Before the preview, you gotta mute the preview, and you have to hit start streaming. Create a copy of the stream in those lines. It says in your line. This is the part, now rewrite it. You gotta write. Pause the preview, because I don't care what it is. Hit record. See, I'm not asking you that. I'm not asking you that. I think I have everything set. She's home. Oh lord. That seems a lot easier. That's a hell of a lot easier. We'll be right back. Nate's up talking to us. That's fine. Yeah. And then, yeah, I'm going to go try to refold that green screen. Okay. Trying to get it every time. Practicing. You got it every time. Pretty cool. That's on. Okay, that stuff can go away anytime soon. Now we're just waiting for Nate to get back. All right. We'll get into this afterwards. I'm aware. I think I know what you're going to bring up. Love the tape. Tower. Don't let it stack properly. Trust me, it took me three times to get it right. Just go big as the smallest. Big to small. Big to small. All right. I stopped the audio recording and restarted it. I shared it already, no one's in the chat. I don't care if anyone actually watches. Yeah. Right? It's texting me now. Just words of friends on Facebook. Because now we're just friends of course through Facebook. I don't need that. All right then. I told you it's not on the app before. I like the app better than Facebook in your legs. Of course. Of course it does. Of course it does. How's that going for you? Make sure it's facing the right way. Hey, how's it going man? Hey, what's up? How much? You ready for this shindig? Yeah man. It's your first one, right? Yep. Awesome. All right, let's try out the topics up here. All right. So first thing we have to do is we have to sync our audio up. Okay. Are you already recording yours? Yeah, I just started. Okay, so what happens is I'll do a countdown. I'll go 3, 2, 1, and then when someone might say 0, we clap instead. Okay. Let me do that twice. All right, so 3, 2, 1, 3, 2, 1. Good enough. That only matters if I have to use your audio. Okay. Normally I don't have to, but sometimes if things are really bad on the mixer then. But now that I have it working without the buzz, it should sound the same as we hear it, so it should be good. Sounds good to me. Yeah. Well, I mean, I hope we sound good. Yeah. We should sound good.  Nope. Huh. Andrew. I was at first when you first started, but I don't know. Oh yeah, that was coming to the speakers. All right, cool. Okay. All right, well let's get this thing going. As Eric is doing something. Oh, you're just fast forwarding through her. Hey everyone, welcome to the NintendoPan Podcast, Episode 101. I am your host as always, Mr. Prime himself, the one, the only, Nathaniel Ruffle Jans. And I am joined to my left and your right by. Eric Moore. And we also have a special guest on today, one of our $20 backers on Patreon, Mr. GamerPon. What's up? All right. So we actually, we're going to have a fourth person again, 5J. Cool. 5J, you said you weren't sick. You said you'd be here. 5J, you got some explaining to do to our fans, why you don't stream anymore. Anyways, it's okay. Love you 5J. We'll see you on hopefully next week, maybe. I don't know. Don't worry. You're not the only person to bail. I invited four people on today and all of them bailed except for the patrons. So welcome, patron. Yes. Thanks. I appreciate your patronage. Hopefully you have a good time here. Before we do anything else, last week was our 100th episode. It was. So we did a giveaway. We did. And we have the winners.  Because we had five winners, which is the most winners we've ever had for a giveaway. Because I've always had one. So anything more than one, and we do the five. The reason was to celebrate our 100th episode, we did a top five list of what our top five Nintendo Switch exclusive games are so far. And we gave away five games. Two. One for the five different people. Not like five games for a person. One game for a person. Right. That would be crazy. That would be crazy. I mean, maybe someday I'll have that kind of money. But now and now. So we picked the winners. It was all random through gleam.io. And the winners are Eric, you want to read them off? Oh, of course you're right. Yeah, of course you're right. Yeah, of course you're right. Yeah, yeah. First winner, Adam Hamilton. And then we have Anthony Womback. And then we have Sonny Hannah. And Justin Dale Tucker. And finally, Christopher Banks. All right. Now, all five of those people should have gotten an email from me by the time this podcast is live to the public. So be sure, if you didn't get one, check your spam folders, all that stuff. My email shouldn't go to your spam folder, but you never know. And if you heard your name and you think it's you and you didn't get an email, be sure to contact me preferably on Twitter or through email at Nathan and Nintendo Prime.net. And I will try to line up your details with the details that gleam.io gave me. That way I can see, are you like if we have multiple Adam Hamilton's that entered? Okay, well, you know, let me cross-reference the details, the IP addresses, all that stuff to sort all that out. But I'm not that worried about it. It was really easy to pronounce the names this time, which makes me feel like we might have multiples. You never know. We had over 400 people enter. Thank you so much. Almost 500. Yeah, almost 500. I don't know. I think you said 492. Yeah. I didn't realize we had 500 people that watched the podcast, so. We didn't. No, not this thing. Yeah. Wait a second. More people entered than watched the podcast. Well, to be fair, I did that podcast segment. That got 400 on its own. Also. And I advertised it in that. Yeah. And also, we had that live.  Yeah, sure. So, combine. I think if it wasn't live, that episode might have more views. Oh, probably. Because all the people that watched it live weren't going to watch it again. Right. So, yeah. So, it was all together, the podcast had over 1,000 views, but especially if we include the audio downloads. Yeah. All right. So, congratulations, guys. Remember, your prize was a $60 or less game, your choice, for a Nintendo Switch. So, eShop Game could be physical, copied, no special editions. So, there you go. Congrats. Enjoy. Whenever the stuff arrives. Enjoy. All right. Shall we get into our first topic? Yeah? I mean, what was... Yeah. Eric, what was the biggest thing that happened in Nintendo this week? The Ninti Direct. There was a Direct? Yeah. I wrote Ninti Direct. It said it was a Showcase. Showcase? Here's the thing. You search it. They've called it a Ninti Direct before, and they've called it a Ninti Showcase before, and they've called it a Ninti Highlight before. And they're all basically the same thing. And you search Ninti Direct on YouTube, and that's what comes up. Yeah. So, it works. I think Nintendo knows. They can keep confusing us with the name. They can't just pick something to stick with it. No. They can't keep changing it. I mean, why would you... Well, it was an E3 Direct and E3 Showcase. Oh, yeah. An E3 digital event. Oh, yeah. Well, pick a name and stick with it, please. Nah. Anyways. Yeah, there was a Ninti Showcase this week, and I don't think my opinion on this showcase is shocking, because when I covered it in Prime News, I'm like, this is better than some Nintendo Directs. In my opinion, it was the best Ninti Showcase they've ever had, Ninti Direct, whatever. But obviously, that's going to be personal taste on what games you enjoyed, and the shock value of some of the games there. As you say, I also think there's a little bit of a bias in there at the end, but... Yeah, but that's not... Okay, we'll get to that. Yes. But my thing is, my logic is this, and I said this at the time, I think, in my live reaction after the fact, was one thing to keep in mind when I make a bold claim like, this Ninti Direct was so good, it's better than some Nintendo Directs. My expectations for a Ninti Direct are not very high. No, that's very true. So, I'm not saying that I over-hyped myself for a Ninti Direct, but you always have this in the back of your mind, well, they've done surprise announcements before, or they've done this before. That doesn't mean they're going to do it this time because they've had duds, but you kind of have that, yeah, but something might happen. Yeah, but... Like, this Direct could be that Direct, right? Yeah, but... Yeah, so it's always the... I don't think that this Direct's going to be the big one, but you never know. You never know. Nintendo doesn't let you know. So, and the last Nintendo Direct was actually really good. So, I'm not saying that this was better than the last Nintendo Direct, but it's been better than some for me. But again, caveat being that it massively exceeded any expectation I've ever had for Ninti Direct based on the prior ones I've seen, which have had some cool games, but nothing that I looked at it and immediately jumped off my page and I'm buying that, and I'm getting a day one. Now, there's one particular game that just automatic buys, but it's actually more than that. Yeah. So... Game or pun? Yeah. What did you think about this Ninti Direct? I thought it was really good. I'm really big into Ninti's on Switch, so anytime a Ninti Direct comes up, I treat it just like a regular Direct. If I leave with, you know, three, four games that I want to buy, then I'm really happy. You know, like Cuphead especially. Like, I've been wanting that game so long on Switch. It belongs on Switch. I'm glad it's coming. And I think because of all the rumors, I wasn't as hyped when I saw it, you know? Like, I was a little bit like, yeah, that's awesome. I knew it was coming. So... But I know we're going to talk about the Zelda thing, so I'll kind of wait to talk about that. But... That's all right. That's awesome. I'm really excited for that, too, obviously. So... Yeah. So, obviously, the two big announcements were Cuphead, which people did have some form of expectation for. One, apparently, there was a... One of those data dumps where people were just scouring the eShop in the hacking community and apparently weeks before it was announced, Cuphead was actually listed. So we never covered it because I didn't notice any news on it, but apparently it was known anyways it was coming. So that made it a little less shocking. Plus we know about all the Microsoft rumors flying around Xbox Live and XCloud, and even though Xbox Live isn't fully coming to Switch probably this year, aspects of it are including achievements from Xbox Live will be coming to Cuphead in the future. Not at launch, but in the future. So there's just been those rumors swirling around. Plus we had the rumor, I think earlier this week, that there was going to, yeah, I think on Sundays when it happened, that there was going to be a surprise, like a big announcement coming that was like putting Mario on PlayStation and would not have been possible on a Nintendo platform a few years ago. Are you talking about that King's Out leak? Yeah, they had the King's Out leak. Okay. So, and the thing is, King's Out has been writing on a bunch of stuff. That's why people are kind of talking about anything he says. Because he doesn't usually give specific details. He's very careful in that way, probably because he knows that if you say it's going to be this, that one it might give away who the sources are. Right. And two, it's now you're locking it in. You're like, okay, I'm locking this in. Because you never said when it was going to be announced. Now, Cuphead could have been that. But again, as we said, it didn't feel shocking. It felt like this is an exciting announcement. This is a big announcement. But is that at the same level as comparing Mario being on PlayStation? No. Like it has to be, if it's from Microsoft's side, it has to be Halo. If you're going to say Mario on PlayStation, then it's got to be Halo to switch. That's why I don't think this Cuphead thing was what he was talking about. I scoured reset error to see if he said anything after Cuphead and I don't see him saying anything about how this was what he was talking about. Doesn't mean he didn't know about it, but I don't think it needed to be said because it's been rumored and known for a little while. So Cuphead, big announcement. Also an even bigger announcement is that it runs basically the same as the Xbox version. Nice. The only pitfall, and I saw this on GameXplain today, is that the loading times are significantly higher on Switch. Granted, they compared it to the Xbox One X, which is the fastest system, mainstream system out there. But yeah, it's a pretty significant load time leap. Like Xbox One X, everything was under two seconds. There was one load screen in the game that was like over a minute to get into it. It's a little annoying, but there's also things to remember what the Xbox has. I don't know, because all the versions that media have right now, because there are some media that have review copies of it, they're all digital. So they're doing it directly off the flash memory, which is faster than the hard drives in the Xbox One X. So it has to be limitation to the CPU's reading ability or something. Somewhere in there. But whatever. It's still Cuphead. It still runs in 1080p, 60fps, 720p, 60fps in handheld. Literally, it's like a lock 60fps, no dips. Yeah. That's, it's Cuphead. Yeah, right. What is there to say? It's like, what are the best indie games to come out? Yeah. I mean, and that's saying some of it. There's a lot of great indie games. Oh no, for sure. I mean, the top 10 indies that Nintendo talked about this week in terms of the best selling ever on the Switch, they're all gems. They're all amazing. And they knocked off games that were on the list last year that are all amazing. So, man. So, that's obviously like a big one to talk about is Cuphead. I don't know what else it really is to say though, like it's here. You're right. I mean, we have a whole topic later that's going to dive a little bit deeper into some Microsoft stuff, but in terms of Cuphead, I mean, it's Cuphead. I don't think it was that shocking to some people, but I think it's a nice announcement. And it's coming soon. Like what, April 18th? Publicly? Yeah, I already bought it. Yeah. And it's getting a physical copy. Granted, I think they said the physical copy wouldn't be there on the 18th. It'll be a little bit later. Sounds like an NBA 2K18 situation. Yeah. Digital version a month early, but whatever. Happens. It's coming. And it'll be a physical version for Xbox people as well if you would like to have a physical version because you just like the game that much and you want to have a physical copy later on. But there was a lot of games in this. Okay? So, obviously we're going to spend a little time talking about Cadence of Hyrule but man, oh man, oh man. I said in my live reaction that when it started with Cuphead I was hyped and I was excited but I remember saying to everyone it's all downhill from here. Right. Because it can't get better than Cuphead. Right. Right. And by the way, that was a weird introduction. Well, that's how Cuphead lives. I know, I know, I know. Well, I saw it, I'm like, okay, this is like a 1950s, 1930s style, like infomercial. Right. I'm just like, you pour the milk in, no more than 45 degrees. It started pouring and I was like, oh yeah, wait a second. Yeah. This is Cuphead. Yeah. I'm like, this is Cuphead. Yeah. Because I wasn't sure where it was at first. I'm like, Cuphead maybe, I don't know. Yeah. Then when he started, then when he put the mask on I was like, wait a second. I was like a boss from Cuphead. Yeah. It's Cuphead. Yeah. It's Cuphead. But it was just so weird. That's absolutely. No, it does. That's the humor of the game. Yeah. Yeah. So there was a lot of other good games. The sad thing is for me right now is I'm going to have a hard time remembering the name of them. Right. But that's the thing. Yes, everything else after that until cadence of Hyrule felt like a step down, but it didn't like get demonstrably like bad. Right. I think probably the low point for me in that Nitty Direct was when they were doing some of the arcade stuff. Oh. I didn't think it all looked great. Right. But like compared to the games they were just talking about, it wasn't necessarily the best. But like there was like what, My Friend Pedro? Yes. Yes. I love that. I laughed so hard. That game looks so good actually. Like one, the game looks fantastic. That slow down. Yeah. I don't, it looks like such wonky physics but who cares. It looks so much fun. Right. And just the name My Friend Pedro. And it's a banana. Sure. I mean why not? Yeah. That you follow around there. What? Why? I don't know. Play the game and you'll find out. Yeah. Why not? Put it like that game looked really, really good. To me, there is one game out of there that I never knew that I needed until it was shown to me and that was the red lantern. Oh. Okay. The game both I did around. Yeah. That game, I didn't know I needed it. I didn't know that. Why? Why are you hyped for that? I don't know. It just looks awesome. I didn't know that the idea around needed a game. But now that I see it, it's like this looked good. Yeah. But the premise of it I think is what makes it work. Right? Yeah. So it seems to be a person who's depressed because they, the way it's introduced is very somber and very much like they think they're just a garbage person. Yeah. And don't know what to do with themselves and they heard about the idea around and they're like never done it before obviously and have no training and they just want to do it to see if they can do it. And obviously at this point in the trailer where like the bear pops up and I'm assuming you die at that point. Or the dogs. Well the dogs definitely look dead. Yeah.  But because it's like a survival thing right? Like that's what, a dinner ride race is more, it's not like people are dying all the time on it. It just happens. But the point of it like it says in the game is kind of like it is in real life it's not really about who gets first. There is pride obviously in getting first. But it's about completing it because most people that start it don't finish it. Right. And there's been movies like even cartoon movies on it before. But yeah it is really dangerous. It's a really, that's why people end up quitting eventually because it's harsh weather and it's just harsh conditions. Yeah. Wild animals? Wild animals, riding on cliff sides. There's a lot of bad stuff going on. But there's a lot of pride in finishing it because a lot of people at least from what I read only do it like once. But there's always people that you know yearly competing in stuff like that and want to get further and further and further. So my thing is yes I like that that's like the premise but the premise for me felt like more of a self-discovery more so than really about the race. The race is just a secondary thing. The race is like we just need to complete this for myself so I can discover something about myself. Right. And it's an act of discovery. That act of discovery that's what intrigued me because I mean we just came off a week I don't know if you were aware. Yeah. We came off a week where beat em ups did a live stream and raised $42,000 for a bunch of depression stuff. Both research and actually having people who currently have it you know counseling and all that stuff that sometimes people can't afford it's interesting like going from a week where depression was kind of like a big topic in the Nintendo community to this game that very much didn't use the word depression and I like that I like that though I like that it didn't use the word because I think there's a lot of stigma around the word depression. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Both in terms of what it means if you have it both not understanding the different types and how it can affect everyone differently even though there feeling in many cases how anxiety is all tied into it often times not all the time but often times and obviously that some people just say they have it when they don't really have it kind of like using the word love it gets overused and it loses its meaning a little bit so like everyone says they're depressed but yes some of them might be but they're just using it to express a feeling of intense sadness but there is a difference between just being sad and being depressed I generally call it situational depression where you're depressed about a certain situation you don't necessarily have full blown clinical depression I'll throw an example that probably happens to teenagers a lot happen with me you know girlfriend breaks up with you or relationship ends it could especially when you're a teenager going through puberty and all this stuff and your emotions are at the highest it could feel like the end of the world a lot of things in high school and you might have depression but chances are it's not depression you're just going through a traumatic moment at least the most traumatic moment you could think about that time anyways that's why it feels so bad but your ability to get over it and not have it sink you into a further whole long haul is kind of what I feel differentiates the depression aspect from oh you're just sad in that moment if you can get over it then whatever usually when you have depression you don't really get over anything I didn't get over crap I still I have days where I wonder if I still have depression but then I remind myself what it was really like and what it really felt like and then I'm like no I'm not at that I'm not at that moment where like there's still things about it there's still aspects about it that I never I don't know if anyone ever truly fully gets over it but I've got where I can handle it it's a I still think I'm a piece of crap I still think I'm a failure at life I think I failed my kids I think I failed my my fiance I failed myself I failed you guys at this channel at you guys would be like oh you're fine I understand that I realize things aren't as bad as I think in my head but you can't help but think it anyways it's kind of like what beatum upset during his his live stream about even for him like how he's he's kind of you know his his wife or whatever kind of helped him get over it and he still obviously there's aspects of it there's these things about it where he got really deep into the conversation and started really hitting home with me and then like someone came on there who didn't have depression but talked about how their kid has it and I don't want to dive too deep into my personal life here but I kind of can relate with one of my children who we're we're trying to deal with it right now and it's man it's hard I don't I don't know how people survive I don't know how I survived I mean I pretty much you have to I mean I pretty much I mean Yulia was kind of my cure and that's why like maybe despite all of the crap that's happened in our relationship good and bad why I'm so forgiving and why I can deal with things because I don't want to go back to what it was like before where I was I mean I didn't even talk to Eric that much about it I don't know if he noticed but like I was drinking a lot never did anything stupid that I can remember don't have any DUIs so like I remember always handing my keys over when I had too much so I had the wherewithal to not maybe go all the way to the edge but I knew why I was why I was drinking so much I wasn't always fun but it made me stop thinking about stuff so I don't need to do that anymore like yeah I do shots on live stream but like that's it I was like drinking every day I don't drink hardly at all and now I'm on a 90 day diet where I literally can't drink so alright um but that's what this game reminds me of it's like it's it's like someone who feels lost fail that life and it's like you know what I just need to go do this thing never done it before or whatever but I need to push through and do it so it's a great game I love it it's one of those things that all of a sudden it's like I never would have thought of that but once I saw it I went yes that is I never would have thought of my friend Pedro either well there's that too floating banana but yeah is there a a gamer plan is there another game that's set off in the direct um I was really interested in I forget the one what it was called but it was like the guy was like hitting like it was like pinball mixed with like an action game I forget what it was called but that looked fun like it was such a cool like twist I'm like like like how do you even think of combining like pinball and that like it just is crazy and it looked really good so I'm excited to pick up that I think it's actually releasing like the same day as Cuphead so I think I think it was called Katana Katana oh Katana 0 that's right I don't know if that was Katana 0 or not I think Katana 0 was a different one I think Katana 0 was that one where you die if you get hit once and then you end up and then you end up going to the the shrink to get the shrink and then you get drugs and then like oh that looks good too that one that one looks good too like what is what is happening yeah that one looked that one looked pretty good and I think the one that you're talking about is part I don't know if it was more like yeah it was more of the part of the arcade section which I mean yeah it was I mean nothing looked overly terrible but that wasn't you know yeah so here we go I gotta come bring up a summer here there's also that one called Rad which was like by double fine guys by double fine that looks so good yeah by Tim Schaefer oh man that one that one's day one for me that looks so crazy it does look good just the setup it's like oh no let's let them tell a joke what I mean the game's called Rad I mean it wasn't a joke sure so any thoughts on Stranger Things that actually looked coming to us that actually looked really good because it was a mobile game before season one and season two I'm not gonna lie I'm really good yeah like I I have never watched Stranger Things and I actually with my day job I I get kind of leaks of like what's gonna happen like in the next seasons because we have to know ahead of time so they came like Netflix came to our work and they told us about season three and I was like what is this Stranger Things thing I've never even heard of it but it looks good but the problem is they spoiled the entire season and so I'm not sure like they literally went through every single character the ending and everything and I'm like well now I can't watch it so well yeah you can still watch season one and season two because each season at least so far have been like multiple stories like the same characters but like episode like the first season is crazy like I I can't even explain it and then the second season was crazy too so I'm sure the third season is crazy but like it all intertwines like it does kinda suck sometimes like when you know where it's gonna be like you're watching season one when you haven't seen it but you like it's like kinda watching the final season to Game of Thrones and then like what the heck's going on especially you know I guess spoiler warning when you watch season one almost all the characters in season one are dead yeah some die in season one but like a lot of the characters you see in season one like Game of Thrones everyone dies it's just the way it goes not all of them I'm not gonna tell you which characters die cause in case you haven't seen Game of Thrones how dare you that's why Game of Thrones like a lot of characters are dead so like if you watch season eight then you go back and watch season one and they're like who the hell are all these like he's hardly in these scenes what's going on so yeah but there's also be like part of me I've done that I think it was super natural I've watched like a season in the middle of nowhere and I've never even seen the show it's a good show and then like I went back and started season one and it's like yeah okay it takes a while before you find all the connections cause there's been so many seasons but what I do think is neat when you already know where something's going is seeing how it got there because you don't really know how it got there you just know what happened in the here and now yeah so there is like that whole oh I know what happened here now how the hell did it get to this point yeah why are we here so like that's like my argument for you game replying to watch Stranger Things it's such an excellent show and like get that morbid curiosity like okay yeah I know all this crap but like how did we get there and by the way go ahead and spoil the whole season right now yeah I'm just kidding and don't worry we'll put out just this long beep in there for you yeah there's some 20 minute beep fast forward did they ever figure out the name of that pinball game I'm getting there so let's see here yeah Stranger Things oh creature in the well right grab the biggest game oh gosh why can't okay hey I want to say this to print media okay I'm not going to say this to video creators here's the thing when video creators go to summarize up a big event like a Nintendo Direct or an indie and they're doing shows like I am where you have multiple stories video people when they're covering multiple stories and they're summarizing they're summarizing they're not going to bring up everything when you're in a print media article it is not that hard to list all of the games right that are in the thing like literally a list especially when you when you title it what was the title of this article catch up on Nintendo's spring 2019 nindies showcase here and then you only have four games at least they give you the video yeah they put the video here catch up on it by watching by watching it by watching it don't read our article just watch it oh jeez I guess while I look up the other stuff I guess we can talk a little bit about Cade and Sapphire rule yeah so obviously excited because it's a Zelda game crossover game side dish my question for you Gamerpond did you play Crypt of the Necromancer? I did not I mean I remember seeing it but I just wasn't sure if I was going to like it so I kind of passed on it and I'm I'm definitely not passing on this one though yeah it would be interesting to kind of go back and see what that game was all about and actually play it and then what what I heard or at least the description nowadays it's like a rhythm fighter so it sounds weird to me rhythm fighter but apparently like if you notice in the footage the characters jumping they're not walking they're jumping so I think you're jumping and doing your attacks to the beat I think that's how it works and so the closer you are you can't move in between beats or whatever it is or the closer you are to the actual beat of it the better your attack is or something I have no idea and I've played rhythm games just never rhythm combat games like this so it sounds honestly that sounds like a fantastic well in the music the remix song they had in there was awesome the breath of the wild the breath of the wild version of Lionel's put him in the 2D I know I saw that I was like yes that's awesome I'm like really Lionel's a bit around but you had to take the breath of the wild version okay yeah okay and it was gold so it was gold in Lionel of course it was yeah um yeah it I mean I guess one of the biggest standout things for me outside of just how crazy it is that it's even a thing is Zelda's playable yeah that's I'm trying to think back all the time Zelda's been playable CDI games uh Zelda Adventure and then uh there was Hyrule Warriors and I couldn't think of another time like I literally can't think of another time Zelda was playable oh you if you want to get tetnicle it's not 100% but you could count Spirit Tracks because Zelda embodies the phantom that you can draw a path for you can count that as control if you want because you have some control because she's basically like Navi in that game oh god so Navi just did whatever the hell she wanted yeah I mean here we go if you want to actually like you know get a little bit away from the actual Zelda games I mean she's playable and uh it's smash oh hey she is though she is that is a playable appearance so to me that's it's not a handful yeah and it just looks so good um and I think the craziest thing about this and I mentioned this in my summary was it's a crossover game with an indie title yeah Nintendo trusted Zelda to an indie studio that's crazy this is like never happened with major first parties yeah I I I don't how why right right I love it like everything was going to be shared to be Mario since Mario does everything yeah right but Zelda like we already have Link's Awakening coming now we have this yeah next thing you know at E3 they're going to announce the next 3D like major the Breath of the Wild sequel yeah and I want to be like what the hell is going on holy Zelda what the hell is going on like I can just feel that Link's Awakening might not even be by the main Zelda team and and you're complaining no cause what here's what's going to happen yeah so just throwing out my I'm a big Zelda fan so like here's what's going to happen we're going to have this game land in the spring right yeah there won't be any other release except for Link's Awakening it'll come in like I don't know August, October alright fine at E3 it'll be playable yes I assume Link's Awakening will be playable anyways it comes out this year so I hope so yes yes we're getting some footage of that bad boy um well it only it helped that that was the only thing there I know and it's probably still going to have a long line for it cause it's Zelda yeah Pokemon if Pokemon's playable that's what that's what fingers crossed that's why we need the media pass or I don't know what I had debated one of us spends the grand just so we can get in at the same time as media forget about the other perks forget about the fact we still can't get our cameras in you know right we have our phone at least yeah and actually it's just because I know Pokemon is going to be so long and it I'm not forgetting my badge this year no but either way even waiting to line one time is like I don't it's going to be a line of media but it's not going to be four and a half hours but but the thing is though is that if it's anything like this last E3 we're not going to be able to take any footage of Pokemon anyways so I realized I mean Nintendo this is why you're not going to like me but I'm going to be wearing a pocketed shirt with my phone for a reason just conveniently turned backwards is that thing recording I don't know what you're talking about what thing can you stop sexually harassing me please I'll make him back off in a hurry anyways oh boy yeah like this game okay so that in the spring links away and then at E3 they're like oh hey by the way is Zelda coming Breath of the Wild Seekers coming in 2020 and you're just like what and then they just show like a quick teaser or whatever's going on maybe the champions are all alive so you're actually it's a prequel or something I don't know something crazy and you're just like what is happening okay fine cool and you're just like alright that's it right they can't announce anymore Zelda then they have the fall on Nintendo Direct or they're like look we're not going to talk about that Zelda game because it's still like a year off might be two who knows but hey that to me is my perfect year for Zelda only encapsulated if they come back next year at E3 and as they're talking about the new Zelda game like oh by the way we also have a brand new top down Zelda game that isn't oh lord yes but I mean I don't know I'm stoked for Link's Awakening can I have some of what you had well I'm stoked for Link's Awakening so like it's cool I'm glad they're doing that my only concern with it is that you know it's just going to mean that we're only going to get top down in that way with remakes and remasters I'm hoping that's not the case you know how they could even top it again come back in 2021 and announce a Zelda dungeon maker ah oh man that would be that would be awesome look you're not going to do any top down Zelda's anymore fine you better be like Mario and give me the ability to make it myself right man that would be so cool I will forgive you you don't need to do top or if you just let me do it myself an official like there's unofficial ones out there there's RPG maker out there there's that legend maker that was in the works for a while but having an official one with all the Zelda assets yeah right like I want that Lionel yeah right I want that Lionel I want the 2D Lionel because that thing looks awesome first thing I'm doing is making the level of survive the Lionels yeah right you cannot get you cannot win until they are all defeated yeah right like 700 of them I want to see if I can break the switch and then there's one that's hidden up like above just random if you kill them all before you jump on top on top on top up to the top you failed now start all over again yeah right anyways but yeah like it looks so good looks good let me tell you if I love this I'll probably end up picking up the original yeah the Crypt of the Necro Dancer like if I like the look I really love this I got to see what the original idea was that light up to build up to this one because this it looks and I think that maybe that's the idea too is what Zelda so a lot of people are going to pick it up that I would never bought the original if they love it maybe they would pick up the original right right I mean even if like the game isn't good like even if like I know the music's going to be good like having that like telltale heights like remix in the trailer was like amazing I love that song that was good oh yeah they did that shadow drop a Blaster Master Zero 2 yeah oh yeah Blaster Master is fantastic so like that was nice seeing a little shadow drop of that for 10 bucks let me see here oh god the Neocab that one was interesting oh Neocab it's like Uber the game but it looked good are we like when you think of oh you know what a game should be built around is this be an Uber is this the updated crazy taxi no it's not like a story and like you're trying to find your friend and like there's these people that know like they bought you and they're trying to like you don't want to get caught but you make money by cabbing people around hence the cab name it's like so you're like an underground Uber driver gotcha that has something you want to find but you don't really know what you're doing so you just keep driving people around nice alright it looked good though like yeah yeah yeah it's kind of like when someone tells you oh yeah goat simulator oh that's got to be a joke and then you play it it is a joke but it's a joke that is so much fun to play you would think oh I get to be a goat why would that be fun play the game and you'll find out where was Untitled Goose Game why didn't they show that okay I know why that wasn't shown because they showed it the day before at GDC so there's actually like three hours of footage from GDC of Untitled Goose Game oh I didn't even see that yeah I thought about talking about it just because like it's a coming to switch but I'm like but it wasn't in any direction this is a new direction Untitled Goose Game god I did happen to see I had to pause I was watching this at work and I I paused it because one of the studios was called Crunching Koalas and it was freaking fantastic I'm like you've got to be kidding me that is one of the greatest names for for a a dev studio ever or a producing studio so you know what game I forgot to mention this in the summer because I couldn't remember the name I've had it at the time and I don't know if it's going to be good but Pine so oh yeah the thing about Pine is I don't I think personally and I think for a lot of people it's not going to feel like a good game because it isn't an action-adventure open-world-esque game lots of Breath of the Wild vibes oh yeah but the thing is you just know subconsciously it's an indie studio you can see the animations are a little rough in places it's not going to be like this next big great action-adventure game at least it doesn't look like it is I'd love to be wrong on that front but I'm very curious in this because a lot of indie developers don't try to make a game like this for that reason it's very difficult to make a game like Breath of the Wild so I kind of want to play it and see if it's even okay because even if it's okay to me that is damn impressive because that's something to build off for the next game sell enough copies of this game to build upon it and make it better for the next time around because it feels like the kind of game you need a bigger team for and indie studios usually don't have that so it looked very interesting to me I love some of the enemy designs it kind of reminded me the art style kind of reminded me of World of Warcraft a little bit had that little timelessness to it which a lot of indie games have but it felt different compared to the other because up to that point a lot of the indie games had a similar sell shaded style then you saw this and while they're sell shading it was just different and I like the ambition and I think that's why Nintendo showed it up I don't know if they think it's great but they knew that this is ambitious and Nintendo likes when people get ambitious now you could say well of course someone could pull it off and be that ambitious look at Hellblade Hellblade is a different story because Hellblade sent you a sacrifice that is a game that was made by people who have been working in the AAA industry so that entire small studio that now Microsoft owns was built from people who were basically friends at a AAA studio so they had tons of experience making games with the Unreal Engine and making games at a AAA level so of course they thought oh yeah us six can just make our own game of course they could when you see a game like Pine it's usually not people coming from the AAA industry these are like people this might be their first game they've ever made that's why it's ambitious I love it because I have game ideas that are that ambitious and I know it's gonna be really rough oh yeah but I can appreciate taking that risk especially when like if it doesn't sell it could be it for a studio sometimes so thankfully Nintendo is highlighting it because I honestly think I'm gonna end up giving it a shot just because I know how hard it is to try to do something like this and I'm curious if there are some redeeming some of the crafting look cool some of it just look cool and I'm very curious to see how that works out now I'm looking at the yeah so the down part was the Vlambeer RK with UltraBugs by the way when I say down it looked good yeah but compared to the games around it it's like this is what that's the kind of game I expected in Nintendo was the pinball part of that one or was that part of the super great box I'm wondering because I don't see anything else on that list that looks like it would be UltraBugs was its own thing yeah hold on I think it was called Creature in the Well oh there is a Creature in the Well top-down pinball inspired yep you're right so Creature in the Well yeah Creature in the Well I'm looking at some of these other ones that wouldn't look interesting yeah well I thought okay so I had never seen a game pinball yeah so my reaction to it was this is really original it kind of looks good yeah afterwards when I said that in the thing some people came to the comments like well actually there's like these three other indie games that have done something similar I'm like okay alright still didn't know about it so it still looks good still looks good anyways yeah maybe it doesn't compare to those other games I have no idea yet Overland was in there mm-hmm yeah like I don't know I loved it yeah or some decent games I love that that NINDI Direct it was just mm mm alright but from the NINDI Direct at least it's our next topic because Cuphead Cuphead Cuphead Cuphead Cuphead Cuphead it's a Microsoft game yeah alright there's another Microsoft own game coming to Switch as well I already mentioned it before Hellblade it's a new sacrifice it's now a Microsoft studio the assumption at the time when they announced Hellblade for Switch was that well they were working on it before Microsoft bought it so Microsoft wasn't going to cancel the project and the money they spent on it mm-hmm so whatever of course they're just going to let it come over it's kind of like Minecraft Minecraft was on every platform after they bought it so okay fine cool that's what the assumption was because that came before all the Microsoft rumors it now I wonder one was Hellblade sending a sacrifice on Switch because Microsoft told them to put it on Switch mm-hmm two I bring that up because Microsoft has come right out and said we went to Nintendo and asked them if we could put Cuphead on their system so Microsoft and I'm not going to watch good games on Nintendo Switch right at least bring it at least the quote-unquote indie level games right so the question is what other Microsoft games do we want on Switch let's just open it well first let's stick with indie like the like the smaller games mm-hmm what other smaller games what would we like to see on there I mean I I just really want to see like Ori I want to see like I want to see like if the second one releases this year I want them to like drop the first one a little bit before maybe like a month before something and then the game would be possible to drop at the same time I'll take a dual pack day one if they do especially do physical yeah yeah for sure it would be interesting to see like if they release at the same time if it would sell more on Switch because I I really think it would I think it would I mean indie games are selling like crazy on Switch yeah so yeah I think that's probably one of the biggest give-ins is that Ori will probably actually have Cuphead does well there's no reason not to bring Ori over yeah especially the original because you've already made your money on that one I mean it's sticky with the indies the only other one I can really think of for Microsoft side is like maybe Super Lucky's Tail a lot of people don't like it but every time I watch it I like it so I wonder if it's like a ukulele situation where I can't find many people that say it's good but every time I play it I like it it's possible so I don't know it's tough because it's one of those it's an old school 3D platformer and the things people hate about it are the fact that it's a 3D platformer old school 3D platformer that's made in the old school ways and not in the new school ways it's like well I you don't remember you just didn't grow up in that era I guess and that's why I like it that's why I like it I like it so I think that's a a given but my question is like there's other smaller games from Microsoft that have big names behind them you know things like Halo Reach so maybe we don't get Halo 1, 2, 3 or the Master Chief Collection but Halo Reach it's still a Halo game I'd like to get one I would like to get them all but I'm saying that like it's smaller but it is Halo and a lot like everyone who's played Halo Reach loves Halo Reach and I've never played it and it's right up our alley and I don't know why I haven't played it I think I think it had the best at least for me I think I had the best online like better than like all the ones even after it it was my favorite one to play online even after like Halo 4 came out so so yeah I mean I think it's probably a given that even if you don't like Halo everyone out there would love to see a Halo game on Switch because there's we just don't have any games really like that on Switch right so I mean Doom but that's pretty shit yeah yeah yeah Halo's Halo Anything Give me a Halo Here's a War Anything Yeah Yeah You can skip the Crackdown 3 though You could bring the original Crackdown Crackdown Yeah oh yeah You want to bring the OG Crackdown Oh yeah That's a lot of fun Hey you want to dive into that back catalog and start feeding Switch Oh yeah I'm cool with that There's a lot of good games in your back catalog Rare replay Yeah Yes And I gotta be honest That is the one that makes the most sense since some of those games were actually on Nintendo systems Yeah And imagine a rare replay if you partner with Nintendo where you package in all of the Donkey Kong games that Rare made too Holy Oh man It'd be sweet to think of working out the licensing for GoldenEye to be in there too but that's not going to happen No That licensing thing is all screwed up but to get all the Donkey Kong Country games and Donkey Kong 64 Star Fox Adventures like just get it all in all the Banjo games Well yeah all the Banjo games are in rare replays No No Nuts and bolts does not need to come It's in there No I don't count Nuts and Bull I don't count anything at this time But it's in That is not a Banjo-Kazoo game But it's in there I don't Oh I will burn that So get all those games in rare replay Plus like I brought it up before to Eric off camera like Viva Pinata is really good It's like one of the best games Yeah Nuts and bolts was kind of the end Yeah Yeah It's like you turn it on like oh this looks pretty and this is not Banjo-Kazoo This is Banjo-Kazoo in a completely different game And it's not like good a completely different game See you could take Mario and do crazy things Right Like Crazy Like they did this with Mario and Zelda There's Super Mario Brothers Right So you have Mario Brothers You had Donkey Kong Originally with Jump Man and then Mario Brothers Right And then you had Super Mario Brothers which was completely different from Mario Brothers Right It still has Mario Brothers You still jump in but that's different You're trying to clear clear the stage and all that stuff get all the coins Whereas the other one is like you're side scrolling 2D platformer They went from that to Mario 2 Which is a side scrolling 2D platformer but feels nothing like any of the prior Mario games because it wasn't a Mario game It wasn't a Mario game Exactly But they re-branded it into a Mario game Yes they did And I love it It's one of my favorite Mario games But that's the thing They did the same thing with Zelda Zelda 1 Top Down Dungeons Open World Exploration Side scrolling Zelda 2 Why not? Um So those franchises got away with it Yeah Bandro Kazooie couldn't get away with it and I can tell you why Those franchises got away with it because the games they were in ended up being good games in that of themselves irregardless of the links to Zelda and Mario Right Yep That game Nothing but it's bad Oh it's terrible It's just a bad game Forget the disappointment that it's not what we wanted it to be From what I heard they just had a game and they just basically Bandro Kazooie was a hot name at the time So they basically just tossed them in there to try to see if they could sell the game That's I'm pretty sure that's if I remember correctly that's what it kind of was I'm gonna throw It's been a while since I've looked that up Speaking of rare Yeah I'm gonna throw one out there that I think is extremely unlikely but I would love to see it See it thieves Yeah I think it's really unlikely brand new It is not like brands making new but here's the thing See it thieves didn't review well It's an always online game It's an MMO for all intents and purposes And as of today if you go and you start playing it it'll feel like almost a completely different game than it was at launch because now there's content That was what was missing was content There's tons and tons and tons of content tons of end game stuff It's awesome And that's why it's been kind of blowing up with streams There's a lot of Twitch streamers that are starting to get tens and thousands of hundreds of thousands of views on their videos of playing See it Thieves now because it is that good now It just took a while to get there and it's actually oddly enough you can kind of compare it to Fortnite Fortnite wasn't a Battle Royale game It's actually a game that's been out before and it did not do well and they repurposed it into Battle Royale and that's when it did well Well they didn't repurpose this game but they fleshed out the original ideas and now it's awesome and I would love to see a game like that on Switch because I think as is what the content has to be a good time to bring it to the Nintendo audience because when I play it on PC that's where I have it right now my gosh there is some old school rare charm in there some of the jokes I mean just think about this think about this okay it's like a cartoon styled pirate game where you are can drink too much and puke on people and piss on people and what does that remind you of alright little conquered little conquered it reminded me of you know what and it's not just that how the charm in it I'm just like this is the first when I played it the first time when it launched this is the first time I played a game since Fiva Pinata from Rare that felt like a rare game but you get to a point where there really wasn't much else to do no no you teased me you teased me you teased me and then you ripped my heart out yeah because you made me feel that rare is back and then nope it was just like a glorified demo damn it but now it's not that way anymore so if you've never played it that's why I think now would be a good time to bring it over especially if you drop it after a rare replay right now you got everyone thinking about rare again and then you're like oh by the way granted my ideology here and I'm very curious on this we know Microsoft's launching a cloud streaming service and they're going to have a traditional box there actually was a leak now we've known for a while they're going to be trying to test out a digital only box so they're really seeing a version of the Xbox One S for those who don't know that doesn't have a disk drive and I guess they're doing this in May sometime in May it hasn't been officially announced yet but there's a lot of stuff going around about it and the idea is I don't think they're they expected to sell well but I think they want to see how it's accepted in the marketplace and how it sells from now until they announce the next system in comparison to the OG Xbox One S that's going to be a little bit more expensive because it has a disk drive so this will be the cheapest version of the Xbox but it has no disk drive are people willing to sacrifice the disk drive for a cheaper system and I think Microsoft's exploring that because rumor has it that there's going to be multiple SKUs for their next gen Xbox and one of those SKUs would be a diskless one but they might now want to bring it to market unless they know the market will accept a diskless Xbox yeah yeah it's a cost saving measure one the thing is it's a cost saving measure makes the console cheaper and what it does do and what benefits Microsoft it forces you to buy all your games from the Microsoft Store and Xbox right and the thing is it's not like the disk drives are really used for a whole lot more any days well but here's the thing here's the thing install the game but here's the thing I know that like for us you know in my my mind I'm thinking of Xbox and PlayStation 4 it's like yeah it's just like PC you just buy an install disk but here's the thing it's still physical it's still as retail value and without a disk drive you are literally telling consumers we don't care about games anymore right so that's I think what Microsoft is testing the waters but they want to be like can we really get away with that right no that makes sense if all we offer is a disk list next gen box and a streaming service it can get rid of physical yeah I think they might just be handing things back to PlayStation if they do that because there's going to be a lot of traditional it's going to be like you take my physical away no yeah you want a DRM this no I tried that yeah I wonder how I wonder what Sony's video for it might be like because like when they trashed Xbox originally like the Xbox one like oh because there was all this confusion over Xbox and how it was going to be like DRM and like really hard to share games and all this stuff and so like they did that video like here's how you share games on PlayStation 4 and then just hand the game over which was just okay so you share it like you always do it's not really news but like they were trolling Xbox and my thing is like what would they do to troll Xbox didn't have a disc in their next-gen system or to be like it'd be like well here's what you do to share games with your friend and then hand the disc over whereas on Xbox they'll show like a download bar or whatever and I'll be like okay now put the disc in the system or hand the console to your friend yeah hand the console to them but my thing to be like if they try to troll them that way I'd be like okay but now put the disc in the system oh look there's an install bar instead of a download bar oh and by the way by the way when that install finishes it whereas if you tend to be about digitally it's all included together no don't know it's not going to be that this is how you sell a game you know Microsoft can easily fire back though too because one advantage of all digital is once everything's installed it's really quick to swap between games here's how you change between games on a PlayStation 4 hit the eject button pull it out pull it away grab a new disc put it in oh crap eject eject eject and then here's how you change games on Xbox home button click yeah right I like I don't know that it could be trolled as easily yeah unless they want to talk about resale value the only thing that Sony could really this is how you sell a game or or maybe maybe Sony will do like the the fast forward 100 years in the future thing yeah like oh oh man you have one of those old school boxes the way of the dinosaurs yeah man does nothing even work anymore yeah man it turns out there's no servers so I can't play anything oh man I still got my I still got my PS X5 yeah I heard and got this dusty disc let me stick that in and see if it still works right yeah until you realize that required updates servers down yeah right right oh man the way game is going already it kind of feels like a digital only box is just a natural evolution oh that happened with PC right like who buys PCs with disc drives anymore right like there's no disc drive on the slap top right the only problem well one of the major problems with digital only is that there are certain parts of this country that do not have the internet capabilities to download some of these big games they do because you can download on a dial up that's not the capability it's data caps right data caps are a big thing with dial ups right that's still a thing like data caps yeah oh yeah I don't have a data yeah a lot of people don't like if you have cable internet generally you do not have data caps but if there are people that get their internet through their cell phone providers and they have data yeah a lot of people do that because it's cheaper right like if you already as an example like me I have Verizon I can have Verizon internet in my house but it will basically do you just turning 4G LTE right into a usable signal in my house and then you have the and then even if you have unlimited data now it's like some people are like well I have Verizon and I have fiber yes Verizon has a traditional like service too but only in select areas right so a lot of people get their internet because they're like why if I have internet on my phone already why would I pay for more internet I'll just pay like 20 bucks and have it in my house but then they're like oh but you only get 15 gigs a month oh can I watch Netflix every day with that sure you can yeah but also even if you do have the unlimited data you still only get you know what is it 21 well that's with Verizon I think it's 22 if you have the big package for unlimited we're like you're unlimited but then you hit you're 22 and then you still have internet but it's really slow yeah so so yeah caps still exist but here's my thing I realize that caps still exist but how does gaming work now if you buy a game at the store you already have to download several gigs and updates that's very true so my thing is the way that gaming works to already you already need basically an uncapped internet connection to even game today unless you're playing on switch and even then some switch games you put the cartridge in will say it requires update so we're already living in an era where gaming is kind of already getting restricted traditionally to you need to have not necessarily a great internet connection but an uncapped one it's it's kind of sad that you can't just buy a game and have basically the whole game to a certain extent yeah I mean that's true in general that's the way gaming is just gone on switch it's a bit better because there are tons of games that even if there is an update it'll give you an option to start the game instead and you can just play with the others on the cartridge and that's why people think that switch is like one of the last bastions of that because when the servers are down for Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and those games that require updates if you haven't already got the updates or you wipe your hard drive you try to reinstall it might not launch it might not launch it might still launch potentially you can install at the disc and maybe that's enough but if it's one of those games that the game wasn't finished on the disc yeah that's the that's the biggest thing that peeves me so like when Breath of the Wild went out like it was playable day when you need a patch right now what are the optional patches you get but they were always optional granted you probably want them because of performance enhancements but still you could still just like oh there's no internet you can still play the game there are some games on switch that do require the update but why is it required because the full game wasn't there in the first place I mean what's going to happen like next gen like there's every game going to come with like two Blu-ray discs that are like dual layered like how are they going to like oh no they're just going to do well one they've already came up with like Blu-ray technology that lets the disc be bigger but the thing is that what they're going to do is they're just going to do what's already happening if there's not enough room require download day one oh yeah they're going to doom it yeah doom 2016 on switch yeah multiplayer you've got to download it it's not on the cartridge it's nine gigs of download to play multiplayer yeah cheese I don't know that's one of those kind of my pet peeves is day one content downloads it's like if you I understand the content or concept of having to ship you know ship dates and creation and stuff like that you have to get things to market I understand that like if the game's not complete why are you selling it because you know people pay money that's the problem yep well it's not just so that's the logic that you know people will buy it anyways but it's also because everything is on such deadlines now that sometimes you're just going to ship what your publisher will be like we're not giving you what you have and fix it as the money rolls in or you ship nothing yep yeah I don't know and you're all out of a job like EA yeah those are studios like oh oh this product's not where we want it to be yeah your studio's closed right like that's the risk that's why like they just get unfinished games like sea of thieves unfinished game finish it later and the thing is Nintendo's not like immune to this they did it with Splatoon now Splatoon 2 it felt like was purposeful and I feel like they did have a content strategy with the original Splatoon that to keep it relevant longer I don't mind adding modes and stuff over time right but it needs to have enough content at launch to feel like it was worth it and Splatoon admittedly at launch on Wii U as great as the gameplay was felt lacking in content and they closed it later yes it was free but still it's one of those things that you see some of these DLCs and stuff like that that come out like a month two months after the game comes out and you're like you guys had that ready you basically cut that from the game just to create DLC pretty much you seriously really yeah that's piece-mealing yeah that's oh it's done what we cut it out so we have day one DLC that you can buy make more money off of yeah alright let's go to the next one there uh there's a rumor floating out there from Digitimes that Nintendo is currently looking into making a phone now this is not the first time Nintendo has done this they have patents out there dating back I think the 2003 with a some sort of flip phone where with a Yoshi game on it so like Nintendo and they've renewed that patent a few times yeah I think it's even active right now so Nintendo has looked into making a Nintendo phone before it's just factually there it's there and their patents so we know they've talked about it before Digitimes is saying it's being talked about again the question is what the hell do we want Nintendo to make a phone for what would be the purpose of it why how could this be different from any other phone out there yeah I don't know I mean I I'm not interested probably because I saw it I switched now you know and Sony tried it they did a slider phone with controls it bombed they tried doing the slider thing again it bombed yeah like all Android phones these days are basically the same at least on the high end as long as you get like the latest you know Snapdragon processor or whatever all the phones are basically the same I mean there are differences of course obviously like I have the like the Note 9 so like I have a stylus thing but like yeah there's these little gimmicks here and there better cameras and that but in general the base phones the same that's why what if one of the newest newest switches is actually a phone one of the new switch revs is actually a phone so like maybe like I don't know like you know kind of maybe a switch mini quote unquote but not necessarily you know with still I don't know how you would shrink it down enough to still be able to have the detachable joy cons but but if you basically turn your care you basically turn your switch into a phone or you add phone capabilities to your switch well it's a it's a decent I mean without the joy cons they're not much the switch itself isn't bad really that much bigger than imagine that like the switch mini is this right it's a phone so yeah it doesn't use your current joy cons but there's new smaller ones that slide on or like the rail systems kind of redesigned on it to even grab the ones if you want to use them mm-hmm or maybe it's like a phone that comes with a case that has that side of mind yeah maybe we have to buy it to do what a lot of people say then if that's the case why don't you just make a peripheral for existing phones why do we have to buy a Nintendo branded one when you could just make your stuff compatible with current phones they use Bluetooth yeah I know I they use Qi charging you get the wireless charging so I you get all the Nintendo games with it I mean well that's the thing though that's what I was saying the only thing I could think of is if they release the phone that's basically like every other phone the only selling point they could have is a legal way to play games like N64 games on your phone right they do that I think there's a lot of people that are like you know what a phone that does everything that we already love about phones and has these games and they're legal pre-installed with 200 like N64 games yeah oh hell yeah right and that's where kind of like I mean the switch size itself here's my thing really it isn't that much bigger than a phone the reason I don't like the switch idea is they can't even get the online service right on the switch so how do I trust them to do anything that requires constant online as a phone I get that now this is where I said if Nintendo were to do a Nintendo phone they had to partner yeah they got to partner with LG they got to partner with Panasonic they got to partner with someone Samsung even you got to partner with someone yeah because if you're just going to bring a Nintendo only phone developed in-house I'm not trading my phone because I don't trust it you have no experience in this space a highly competitive space yeah you need to be one of the top brands you want to crack it heck you were working with Apple when you did Nintendo fine Apple and Nintendo crossover phone whatever fine I've used Apple devices I'll switch it's cool just to try it out I'll switch for a couple of years plus if it's Apple I'll trust it will properly update it but proper support for everything and yeah there's those little nuances I might not like but you know what I could deal if the answer's got an Apple I could deal it's not gonna deal I'll miss some things or whatever yeah it's I think it's kind of like a gamer upon like who really wants one yeah right no that's why that's like I mean the thing that phones don't have are like controls right but like there's been attempts at controls like at trolls you can attach to the sides yeah there's been the slider ones as we said and really we've been through this gambit before and the why they accept the solution is just get a Bluetooth Xbox controller with one of those phone attachments and that's actually the best way to play it if you want to use traditional controls right why sacrifice and have inferior controls when you just use a full fact controller and just set your phone on it right and that's the way like they were showing off Google Stadia you know when they were going to phones it's oh it's connected to the big fact controller like that makes a lot of sense it's comfortable still so I don't think Nintendo should make a phone but if they're dead set on doing it because now they make mobile games yeah I mean they can't just be like oh our mobile games are exclusive to our phones no one's going to buy your phone for the same games or I'm sorry the Fire Emblem Heroes is great Dragali Lost is great Super Mario Run is fun no one's going to buy a $500,000 phone they're free to play on Nintendo phones we'll charge you to play them on the other ones no just no I don't want it to exist but if it does it's not like as long as they're partnered as I said if it's an Apple phone that's Nintendo branded with a couple extra Nintendo features you know like like I mentioned some N64 games that are legally or something then fine yeah I'll bite because because it's with a brand that we already know basically with the phone it's an Apple phone it's the latest Apple phone with a few Nintendo things okay cool but if it's like a full blown we're making a gamer phone yeah I mean yeah I don't see the point in doing that there's already gamer phones have you seen the Razer phone yeah actually my friend has one like it's neat the speakers are cool yeah like the speakers get really loud but it's just a phone I mean there's a weird does he have the weird peripherals yes like the air cooler no he's got he's got a charging dock okay that it only comes with with Chromo settings you can't buy a charging dock but that doesn't have but did he get the battery extended it's kind of no I don't think so but no he said he'll set it on there and then each update or notification has like a certain light setting yep and so the dock will light up in that same it's it's kind of cool but it's like it's a worthless feature it's not necessary no it's just like like on your phone you can already make it so every different type of notification has a different sound and apparently and apparently their charge cords are slightly different like the amperages and stuff like that are slightly different they switched it up they switched it up so it's slightly different they're slightly different so they're like 60 bucks a piece yeah they're non-standard yeah yeah just like Nintendo Switch it's a non-standard amperage yeah yeah oh jeez of course of course of course Razor would do that yeah why do you need it we're the weird amperage because we're Razor the gamer folk yeah right god I wish he had the air cooler attached but it's so stupid although he did it doesn't actually change the temperature he did say that with the with the charge cord that he does have he can go from like 0 to 70% sure but there's we've seen that with some of the USB-C charging yeah it can actually go that fast yeah if you have the if it's properly set up usually it's the USB-C charging that also has the Thunderbolt support because the Thunderbolt support is where you get the really quick charging because there's laptops that do that now where you plug a good laptop in and it's charging like an hour so like you can yeah that support exists with someone I can't remember if this has got 4,000 mAh it's got big battery but it charges pretty quick I think my fast charge is about an hour and 45 minutes it's an hour and 45 next time I charge my name when it's really low I'll see what it we'll see what it says and what it actually does I feel like it always tells me it's going to take two hours but it never takes two hours right now this is the difference between my wireless charger and the wireless charging is usually always slower but yeah I don't know we don't really care yeah weird topic I know that's why it's so weird we hadn't talked about it oh no for sure alright last one so streaming services are kind of this thing right like it's coming we're on the precipice of at least a bunch of companies attempting to make streaming services a thing from Google Stadia to XCloud Walmart apparently is working on some sort of streaming thing okay they were at GDC apparently talking to a bunch of developers to get support for their own game streaming service alright you know Target and Best Buy will be enough I mean I mean whatever obviously here's the thing I think that streaming services Amazon we know for a while has been looking to so I think streaming services for the next five years we're going to see hundreds of them pop up oh yeah because there is no Netflix of game streaming yet mm-hmm someone's going to want to try to become that mm-hmm so everyone's going to attempt it and we'll see who pulls it off mm-hmm it's going to be tough it's going to be very competitive you know Google's going hard into it but Google has a reputation of going hard into something and if they don't get the consumer base right away they just throw it all away that's what Google does or they have things that massively work to Chrome if Chrome would have went the same way it wouldn't be here anymore but it came in and just completely disrupted the market and took it from Firefox I mean to be fair I mean yes it did compete against Firefox but it was also competing against Internet Exploder so well no Internet Exploder wasn't competing with anyone no I realize that but at the time that Chrome came out it was only like 8% of the Internet using Internet Exploder Firefox owned like 80% of it and the rest were split up between Safari and other like Internet Exploder was already irrelevant why do you think they re-brought it back as the edge and now they're not even doing it anymore they're just done they're building a new browser a new browser yeah but it's based on Chrome they just gave up seriously? it's just going to be like their own Microsoft skin Chrome browser there's a whole bunch of Chrome browsers out there now because it's an open API so people just kind of re-skin it and add different features by default so you don't have to add I don't have any problem with people doing that but Microsoft's going to do it so basically when you get new computers they're going to find a way to screw it up on there when you get new computers in the future you basically already will have Chrome and it supports and all those Chromium browsers support the Chrome stores you don't really have a reason to go download Chrome yeah because what was what was the most popular thing that Internet Exploder was used for the download Firefox or Chrome yep the only thing it's good for is to download the next browser so it's not even good for that so I'm going to go into Command Prompt because you can do it you can browse the Internet through Command Prompt but you can't really browse but you can access websites and find files and download them through Command Prompt anyways so if you know if you know exactly where you're going you can download it through Command Prompt anyways it's a fun I had in programming class like oh because that was the running joke when we first got there but who here uses Internet Explorer do you have a PC you've all used it you used the download Chrome I'm going to teach you how to do it without Internet Explorer yeah buddy it's not you literally never have to do it but my question is sorry we're getting a little bit off topic and I realize that no it's okay but my thing is how in the hell do you go from Project Spartan to Microsoft Edge come on you have a fantastic name like Project Spartan but here's the thing I Project Spartan sounds B.A. right yeah like it really does doesn't sound mass consumer that that to me is gamer so it sounds awesome sounds awesome like your grandma what the hell is Project Spartan why would I ever click on that Edge okay maybe Internet Explorer okay Chrome Internet Explorer makes sense because you're exploring all these other browsers like Safari none of them sound hardcore but gamer I know but I like Project Spartan RGB yes RGB if wait RGB proven increases performance right oh lord mechanical key making the best gamer in the world okay let's get back on topic Jesus 32 button mouse yes required to play Undertale oh lord oh god pro gamer yes online subscription services yeah no so what I was getting at is like there's a big battle about to come don't know who's going to come on top obviously you assume one of the big name players uh-huh Microsoft, Amazon Google who knows it could be someone completely independent like Netflix was yes so you never know you never know who's going to come on top but the question is should Nintendo launch their own now it sounds laughable because Nintendo can't get their online service right so why are we even talking about this right right but hear me out Nintendo I don't think is ever going to put their games on somebody else's streaming service unless they're done with hardware right so my thing is I don't think Nintendo wants to miss out on offering that as a delivery method for games because they already have digital downloads they already have physical media and even if they get like Project Stream or whatever I'm sorry that's what I've been calling it for some Google Stadia or whatever on their platform so they have a streaming service I don't think Nintendo would ever put their games on that service even if they found a way to keep it exclusively on their system because they know Stadia and all these other systems are accessible anywhere someone's going to figure out a way to make game work off of a platform because it's just stream yeah you know trick Stadia through an emulator thinking that you're that you're on a switch or whatever like I don't think Nintendo would ever trust that but an enclosed system that's exclusive for Nintendo gamers right my thing is I don't think Nintendo's doing it anytime soon but should they even look into possibly offering that as another way to get Nintendo games and whoever indie games or whoever else wants to be on it on their platform like should they I don't think they can do it but should they do it if they can somehow find the capability to not be incompetent with internet that's the problem because like their peer to peer sucks a lot on a lot of games so now we're like oh now they gotta have like server farms and like do we really I don't know people aren't even trusting Google right now and they has the technology they has the technology so I even won't it be funny if Nintendo does do it but they just contact Google and just re-brand it and nobody knows nobody knows nobody knew the moves why does the interface look so similar to something else right now Nintendo just straight up copy them you know what the smartest thing Nintendo's ever done damn right yeah right but not online but not online oh man I mean I don't game reply what do you think like do you think this should like I guess before we get what's your guys's general feelings on game streaming because I think that's gonna shape the whole conversation yeah I mean I would love like for them to have a streaming service at least for like their like virtual console like if they had that would I ever come back and they would just release all their old stuff on like a streaming like PlayStation yeah just like yeah exactly like that and just put all their stop with the whole NES thing on the app make online free again make all that stuff free because it it sucks as it is now they're not gonna do that I know they're not but like ideally that's what I would like and then make all the old stuff part of their subscription and everyone would be happy I feel like but obviously they're not gonna do that I mean I do a world I'm a YouTuber so I kind of want them in Google to partner up just so I can get people to queue up on their switches in my chat to play with me on live streams I think that's a really cool feature at Google Stadia by the way that's gonna be used and abused by every YouTuber in the world but it isn't streaming Nintendo games because normally they have a choice we have to use traditional methods of streaming I think man I want them to have something I just want to I want to streaming service on switch period regardless of what it is I would prefer if Nintendo could do it right but none of us can trust Nintendo to do it right like that's the problem with this topic but I wanted to talk about it because like everyone's doing it I guarantee like Sony technically already does it just with classic games who's to say they've been really mum about streaming services they only thing they've ever said is they know a future exist where game consoles aren't a thing anymore Sony is like the only one the publicly come out and state a future exist where there's no console that's why they took so long to confirm they were even doing a PlayStation 5 so Sony already knows in the back of their mind that they're not gonna do hardware forever right but they're not telling you what they're doing instead it's gotta be a streaming service right like they already offer streaming TV it's funny everyone got mad at Microsoft for the multiple entertainment box as Sony's doing it more than Microsoft is but nobody's mad at them for it because they didn't talk about it at launch like they didn't just come out of the blue and decide we're doing a streaming TV service they knew before PlayStation launched they were doing a streaming TV service they just knew they couldn't talk about it at the time that they're launching the platform because early adopters don't care about that so they just knew like Microsoft was a by the way regardless of who was running Microsoft it was a mess yeah the big thing with Microsoft it wasn't just that they advertised as an entertainment box they weren't even like solid on what the Xbox was every person who talked to at Microsoft that year gave you a different answer on what the Xbox is yeah that was bad yeah I remember that that was bad bad like the reveal of it was fine then you got to E3 and you're like what the what is going on what is this thing okay it's got blue right there cool I get that all right what else wait what DRM why yeah right why remember the one comment yeah who was the head of of Xbox back then I don't remember God it was the stupidest comment I ever heard someone say someone asked them about people in the military who might not have access to internet at all times they have internet access they have more access than people realize yeah that's why they can do video chats with their families and stuff multiple times a week they were not in the stone age anymore okay like they can do that stuff but they don't have constant internet access so someone said what about in the military and they said well they better buy an Xbox 360 and I'm like you just like oh yeah we believe in our DRM so much forget you you can't play new games go buy an Xbox 360 we already have a system for you oh boy and I when that came out of both my due discusses and his job uh-huh you you literally just told like the military in the United States when you're a U.S. company that you cannot enjoy our product go buy our old product yep I don't know what Microsoft is doing obviously by the time it launched there was no DRM but I mean it was obviously planned at some point but even being planned at some point when the system launched there wasn't anything on there that indicated there was ever DRM so it's like no nobody knew what was going on yeah and Microsoft's most brilliant move they finally handed it over to someone who understands gaming and Phil Spencer it was like okay yeah we gotta cut the bullshit we gotta get games we gotta fix our services we gotta fix the platform and yeah he knows it's too late too little too late but he emphasized how important it is to do it anyways to rebuild confidence in the next product um and so like Nintendo makes all these mistakes with their basic online service yeah I mean their free online wasn't that great but it was hard to complain because it was free so it's like you know what it's free you know they don't really have a lot of incentive to make it better when it's free they're charging now 20 bucks a year yeah it's only a little bit of money yeah we're getting some stuff stuff we're getting it's not that great yeah the NES games are cool but I doubt anyone's paying 20 bucks a year just for those I mean maybe they are I don't know but I will say Tetris 99 might be worth it for you that's cool if they do more stuff like that that's gamers that's games of gold you're getting free games I don't like that it's exclusive but to adjust that method that you can't buy it in eShop but I think it is cool like if they're going to start having exclusive games like that in the online service that's a nice direction I like that I like that a bit because then you are creating kind of like a game subscription almost well you're also giving a reason you know what they little bit they have now for Battle Royale Tetris to actually purchase the online subscription I never thought in my life we would ever say Battle Royale Tetris I think it's happening too straight back yeah I'm still baffled that Battle Royale Tetris is a thing yeah I'm waiting for Battle Royale Pac-Man that would be interesting it's coming there's already like massive arcade things at in arcades where like you can have like four player Pac-Man and a hundred player Pac-Man that would be nuts that would be crazy and I always imagine ever since Battle Royale started becoming popular I kind of like want a Zelda Battle Royale I take all the characters from Hyrule Warriors and just have all the different costumes and skin variations and just drop us into the Breath of the Wild world go to town there you go just go to town and have Nintendo there you go and the world being destroyed and shrinking in is explained as as Ganon winning yeah and taking over and you need to and everyone else is the enemy everyone else is the enemy and it's a trick and you've got to defeat everyone to stop Ganon yeah yeah I like it there you go Nintendo it kind of reminds me of like of like Battlefield 5 they're doing their battle right now called Firestorm but like they explain the shrinking like really cool like the world is like being grossed in flames and what do flames do they just keep going till everything's burned yeah or until they run out of steam okay it kind of makes sense so you're encircled and it's just closing in and you need to it's also nice because like obviously if you caught in the flames you're on fire you die it's not like other Battle Royale games where you can sit outside the zone for a little bit and it just chips away you're left no you're dead dude you're on fire you're dead like don't mess with the Firestorm you're dead but then again that also fits in the Battlefield that tries to be a little more realistic in how they do things right I don't know man like it'd be nice if they did it but they gotta do it right that's the problem do we know who runs the Resident Evil 7 and Assassin's Creed Odyssey services in Japan because they have streaming games on Switch already in Japan yeah those just handled by Ubisoft and Capcom I couldn't tell you I have no idea because I mean you pay for them individually like there's rental tickets for one and like it's weird and this is where the point where you go fight out the next episode well okay here let me throw this one at you let's assume Nintendo does an online streaming service right and they decide you know what we're not just gonna do it for Nintendo games we're gonna compete with the big boys on our platform so it'll still be a you have to have our platform on your devices like maybe they allow phones if you happen if you have the Nintendo app on there so whatever so if you have something Nintendo on your phone maybe then you can use it but then maybe they don't support PCs or whatever but here's the thing so it kind of becomes a gated community because you have to own a device still but what model do you think would work best for Nintendo you know when I say model I'm talking about a subscription service like a Netflix or are we talking about what's actually being rumored of Google Stadia where Stadia is free but you pay for the individual games but the individual games are obviously much much cheaper than you see in other markets now granted this isn't confirmed with Google Stadia or with the pricing it's like five bucks per game I don't know but I think I would prefer the cost like Netflix because I could see myself if I went to a streaming service I could see myself wanting to try games and I don't want to pay for those if I pay for the subscription you have access to more at once I have access to more at once sure so I could try games well the pitfall is not that Nintendo would do this but every service that does it rotates out content right so the benefit of buying you own they can't take that away from you bought the right to play that I mean they still theoretically could but but if you're paying for an individual game you get the idea that okay they're not rotating this out because I bought it so this instance if this thing for me is always going to be there because I bought that individual thing so it's a way of creating some sort of virtual ownership versus a subscription service where you assume they're going to rotate things out there could be a service that never rotates games that could be a thing maybe games never get rotated out but but the thing is though is that I mean things are never rotated out of the eShop you never know I mean you never know the thing is if they're not just you know the subscription service exclusive and you can actually find them in other places it gives me a chance to actually try the games and then if they get rotated out I can go buy it you know I've always been curious and I don't know maybe one of you guys out there know the answer to this so subscription services right like like Netflix how does everyone get paid so Netflix is making their own stuff I understand that that just comes from the subscription fee that's fine that's funded through the subscription fee okay cool and all that stuff but when they have these licenses with all these other companies because they rotate basically when the agreement ends that's when the content gets rotated out but how do the agreements come into place does like Netflix just pay them an upfront fee and that's it after that I know and that's like my thing with these services it's like and this is why I think some like Google State you might be going the route that it might be going is because the number one concern Devs are going to have especially day one is how are we making money like okay so you charge people ten bucks a month or whatever it is how much of that do we get when you have thousands of games on your platform how much do we get so I wonder if I don't know I don't understand how those services function like obviously they found a way to work I don't know but how I heard someone like telling me about this like at work and they were saying it has something to do with like how long like you played the game like so like it's they get paid based on like how long you've played it I guess I don't know how that works but that's what they were telling me I'm not sure if that's true or not but I just don't know I assume these days I don't know I don't know how these streaming services pay honestly that would be interesting even music streaming services like how do how do all the different places make money like when a user clicks on the song does like Netflix just say okay here's ten cents well I think usually they would probably just like keep it to like the end of the month or until maybe they once they've generated like fifty bucks and they send them a check or something I assume there's a threshold obviously like there is it like even for me like with ad revenue at places or even on yeah a lot of places that we do ad revenue with besides YouTube like there's a threshold like yeah they need a hundred bucks or whatever but well I just I can get that for existing services that already have an audience right like if you're not an existing like Google can do it the Google's got money right so they can just front the cost and hopefully they're going to make it up on the back end eventually pretty much if they were going to do a subscription money that's individual that's different because obviously they're getting that five bucks every time and who knows you know yeah I just saw or like there's other methods too like do you go the rental method yeah that's how I think Resident Evil 7 works on Switch right now in Japan you just pay X amount of money to play it for a certain amount of time basically a rental yeah I don't know it's like what method would you guys like to see I mean you kind of went like subscription because whoa that's almost what every other medium does it gives me it gives me a chance to play more games I think yeah like there are mediums that like Amazon Prime is a good example of best of both worlds I guess in that if you are an Amazon Prime member you get the Prime videos and a bunch of free stuff but you can also still buy things that are on Prime you can still buy things that are you know are on Prime if you really want but but they've also had issues getting like the biggest audience in the world to use their stuff because they don't always have the best content selection because they also sell products so a lot of people like you can get like the first two seasons or I think the first you know the first two seasons is a sponge mob around Amazon Prime but if you want the rest you got to pay for it and something like on Netflix would never accept that right you go all the seasons or we're not going to carry it mm-hmm so it's like a different approach and I think that's what that's what trips Amazon up and not you know to blow it up as big as Netflix because it's like oh but we also sell Netflix is like we don't care we try you can still rent DVDs from Netflix you guys know that you can still rent DVDs from Netflix wow I did not know that it's a completely separate they tried to combine it it failed they separated it back out but you could actually rent DVDs still from Netflix they still will ship them out they must have enough of those grandmas out there those dinosaurs yeah renting movies still there you go well I mean if Redbox doesn't have it I bet you Netflix doesn't yeah right yeah Gamerpaw what are you what are you thinking for the type of I mean it's hard because like I agree with both of you like I would rather have like a subscription service and just pay per month but like to Nate's point I don't want games that I love that I end up loving because I'm trying because of the subscription that I can't play in because then they rotate it out and I have no option of buying it later like that that's just really annoying and you're the only person playing it yeah cause like it that happens all the time with me on Netflix where it's like I'm watching a show and then the next week it's like oh they got rid of like four of the seasons and then the next week they're all gone and it's like well now I can't watch it yeah and even on Netflix like obviously at this point Netflix almost has enough of its own content that people will subscribe just for that the other content is getting pretty damn close if not as good as like HBO but not everything like they don't have anything game of thrones level because game of thrones is stupid expensive to make they've tried a couple series like that and they just yeah they got big numbers but nothing close to support it but and Nate I mean we even see this with HBO like they had that Rome series back in the day that was fantastic but they had three seasons of it and it was supposed to be a five season thing but they just it's so expensive the audience wasn't making enough to support it any longer game of thrones is just an anomaly I don't know when we'll get another thing I mean then again no one knew when we're going to the next Lord of the Rings you could argue that became game of thrones you know what's going to replace Harry Potter next I don't know yeah you know what's going to be the next Twilight you know like there's these big series there's always something yeah my thing is though that I just I worry about you know the rotations of things you know Netflix has has all that enough unique content but even then like a controversy happens right so like the Kevin Spacey thing happens can't watch it in the old seasons of House of Guards mm-hmm you have no control over that right you're the only way you're going to get to find him illegally now and granted I understand maybe the idea of it maybe the contract that he has like every every time someone watches a full episode he gets some money and maybe they want to cut off his money mm-hmm you know because they're trying to cut ties like I understand there's probably something like that but who really asserts the end consumer there like yeah it sucks mm-hmm assuming that everything that that he's accused of happened that really really sucks and he's not a good person mm-hmm but House of Guards what is it season five season where's the rest of the seasons mm-hmm you can't get into the show anymore yeah cause it's not there right it so like and that's another problem too is when you go to this this is the fear of anything even all digital it's like you only have it so long as they provide it whereas when you have physical mm-hmm you have it you just have especially if it's like you you can play it without the day one update you just have it it's yours even if you have to install that in Xbox it doesn't have a required update and you can just play it as is from the disc okay you still have it it's yours they can't take that away from you so and by the way I think a lot of Netflix series you can buy in box sets so potentially might still be able to get House of Guards in a box set not sure but that's the one thing with like with the Netflix style in the way that like TV shows and stuff like that and those types of movies work I can go out if I start watching something and I really like it I can generally go out and buy it then you know what let's give a best of both worlds here assuming Nintendo could somehow do a service and not screw it up do a subscription model but offer subscribers a steep discount purchase and download individual shows like Netflix lets you download but there's still some DRM in it so because they have to make sure you don't just you don't just have it forever kind of thing so basically what happens is they allow you to do that say like we're going on a plane you know to go to E3 we can just download a bunch of stuff on Netflix and not be on the internet and still use it because it'll just require you to get online again in a week and check yeah and I don't really buy and I'm sure people will figure out how to hack the file whatever people are jacking shows up Netflix all the time anyway so that sides the point but for those people that don't care about that they want to do it legally offering is something like that because Microsoft does that with Game Pass where you get all these games you download them but offer the streaming and offer the download for people who want you know whatever but also offer like okay you're part of the streaming service you can buy this game for say 50% off so what's gonna happen is you know a bunch of people will get the streaming service oh 15 bucks a month so I can buy these six games at 50% off that's great people are gonna take advantage of that but what you might also find out by doing that is you just got them on your service where they are more likely to actually try out the service oh yeah for sure and if they like it and they see the sheer amount of content they're like why would I cancel all right I could always just buy all these games next month with my 15 bucks I'm giving you knowing at least that might be your plan but then secretly you end up streaming them more than you need to buy in them but at least the option is there right so then if you do it rotate it off you can look in the mirror and be like you hear the rumors that the Nintendo streaming service is losing this game this next week all right I'm gonna buy this one now yeah yeah or they can even do something like hey look we'll let you know two weeks at a time and give you 75% off to buy it on our servers but then at that point what's the incentive of actually buying it at any other time what well the incentive is say you had the subscription the incentive is the contents leaving and instead of just vanishing like Netflix does oh hey by the way we're gonna let you know so you can spend a little bit more money the problem keep it they wouldn't go 25% what they would do is they would sell it at 50% we'll give you two weeks notice it's 75% now instead of you know 75% off it's 25% off oh yeah they're gonna go the other way they're not gonna they're not gonna lower the price two weeks before it's leaving because there's no incentive of ever purchasing the game until two weeks before it's gone so they gotta give you some sort of incentive to buy the game before it goes away well the incentive is it's going away well right but you know because you don't know when things are gonna go away what I'm saying is if they drop it instead of 50 you're just gonna sit on it and sit on it and sit on it and finally they're gonna and now it's oh hey it's going away yeah and now it's 25% instead of 50 yeah but you know what why am I you know what they just got though what instead of you buying it you kept your service all those months yeah right so it all works out for them right but so if the consumer wants to wait you know say they put Final Fantasy 7 on there and the consumer wants to wait two years without the fall off but they paid 15 bucks a month the entire time because they wanted to wait be my guest I made my money off you anyways yeah but I see it going the opposite direction wait cheaper for them to just buy the game I get that I get that but I see it going the other direction where if they announce it two weeks beforehand it goes up to 75 75% 25% off and then you know what I see Nintendo's not gonna do anything cause they suck there's that I love you Nintendo just get Google Stadia to do everything for you or Microsoft X Cloud you're chummy with Microsoft right yeah you're all chummy yeah X Cloud it's been rumored coming to Switch anyways partner up get your games on there exclusive to your platform whatever but streaming service you want people to buy Microsoft you want people to buy X Cloud on Switch if you can convince Nintendo to put their games on it even just for Switch and you're telling them oh it's gonna be like you know even 40 bucks a month which sounds insane but if you're telling me for 40 bucks a month you get Breath of the Wild you see Halo all these games yeah yeah people will pay it people will pay that yeah cause I think game streaming services are gonna be more expensive than movie services yeah because movies don't cost 60 bucks a pop right they're 20 good Blu-ray version 30 yeah not 60 yeah so I think it's gonna be more expensive but if there's enough triple A 60 dollar games on there I mean oh for sure who cares for sure yeah they're probably gonna do their own thing too oh yeah cause they're EA everyone's gonna have their own service yes they are and that's the problem the problem is is everybody's gonna have their own service no one's gonna have even remotely close to everything right and that's just it the libraries are gonna be tiny like Ubisoft's already with Google are they gonna be with other people too right if basically each dev company has their own streaming services Ubisoft I think will partner with everyone their libraries are gonna be tiny because it's basically just their games yeah yeah it only gets tricky when the individual studios launch it so like Ubisoft doesn't look like they're launching their own so I think they're gonna be on everything but EA already has like the EA access thing that's why I think oh they might launch their own right and then they'll be nowhere to get EA just like they're with Origin on PC nowhere to get EA games but with the EA service right their service might be on everything but you have to have it like it's kind of like with TV I'll throw an example out there just because it's annoyed me during March Madness last year I had a cable subscription that just didn't have CBS or whatever and I found out you can get CBS individually for 8 bucks and what would happen if instead of us having like Hulu or Direct TV Now or all these streaming TV services if all the channels are like oh screw it we're just gonna be all individualized and you gotta pay us five to ten bucks a month mm-hmm basically HBO it mm-hmm like that how much that would suck how much money you'd have to spend to even have ten channels depends depends well imagine though eight bucks each eighty bucks yeah but you're also not paying 200 for a thousand channels that you never watch because you don't give a crap about sure but let's think about this I watch ESPN yes ESPN 2 yeah sometimes sometimes the game around there yeah yeah yeah it works well Fox Sports Month yeah Fox Sports Month FSN and FSN North and FSN and FS Wisconsin because depending on where the game is right oh yeah right and a phone network sometimes for football Fox CBS sometimes they had Fox and CBS as well so we're already getting up there were eight bucks a pop over Hulu yeah so like we're already almost double the price of that for individual channels on what I do watch sure is there a bunch of channels I don't put so yeah I still feel like still worse than me because I'm getting a nice value yeah you know I'm not paying HBO prices and by the way I do have HBO love HBO mm-hmm Game of Thrones is coming back come on now come on now I'm in the middle of rewatching all the seasons so come on now but I get that through Amazon Prime yeah that's where I just chose to do it I think because I don't always keep my Hulu subscription up like right now I pay my Hulu subscription right now I'll probably re-up it and I don't know a month or something so I used your Paris login to watch the game the other day but I'm like whatever it works yeah until it goes to a channel that they're like oh no you're not at home you can't watch this channel I hate that about the charter yeah it's annoying it's so annoying when they're like oh no you're not on your home wifi so you can't watch it's like what I paid for it it doesn't matter why? it's my login the whole point okay here's the deal the whole point of being able to watch it online is that you're probably not home in the first place right exactly yeah like why do I gotta be I hate that charters I don't know if other places are like that that's why I got off a charter cause I was like originally I'm like oh cool I can pack a charter and with my internet it actually is cheaper yeah but I need I want the ability to watch it when I'm on the road right home your home wifi like if I'm on my home wifi I'm watching it I'm watching that TV I have yeah oh what are you doing to me yeah you can see that my account I hate that my account has that subscription I'm like and you're doing this in the age of when direct TV now when all these other things exist where you can just watch it anywhere right like even direct TV loosened up on that because they have have direct TV now so they already have their own competitor with it but even if you have it anywhere you basically get direct TV now yeah I don't know it's actually not as good direct TV direct TV now just how it works because direct TV you can still log into individual sites but the ones that don't have logins they do have like a streaming thing through direct TV's website if you have direct TV it's just not well designed like direct TV now is purpose built for it I think they just need to find a way to merge them and be like look you know here's just streaming boxes you might be like well why would you want boxes one you don't want to rely on your internet you know you don't want to soak up your internet yeah that's pretty much the biggest reason oh no other like there's some different things with some of the DVR capabilities like you can DVR on direct TV now but it's extra and then it's not really any different yeah yeah they just usually give you two free for like a year not a charger not a charger charger don't give you any but yeah no no here's what you do you get the discount price and then they're going to take it away I'm switching I'm switching the satellite I'm switching the internet TV whoa whoa from 100 down to 20 well then why didn't you just say that okay the thing is I've been with you for how long why is that not an option yeah to begin with there's no there's no customer loyalty I just hate that job about services where like the long it is expensive you get because like direct TV now gosh I used to abuse the hell out of it it doesn't work with Hulu I don't know they're smarter I guess direct TV now man so like direct TV now you could abuse the hell out of it so one you could you could have your service expire because they'll give you like a two week grace period have it expire and then contact them and just be like hey I just wanted to let you guys know I am switching over to I don't know YouTube TV or something and they'll be like whoa whoa whoa no no no because you only get like a three month discount like no no no we'll give you that three month discount with a free month stay with us but then after the free month you just take your card off and just print and repeat and then they eventually catch on to that and they're like okay okay this guy just abusing for free months okay fine so then they won't let you do that anymore so then then you're like okay you go through your paid months they'll still let you have your cheap paid months you get to the end you just let it expire don't say anything just walk away two weeks after it expires they will send you an email with a promo code to go right back on the same thing you already have for free month so you can still end up basically you're just paying for two two out of three months and you're paying cheaper than what everyone else is paying for they just actually keeps up their subscriptions like they want you to like a good boy I abuse the hell out of that well I'm like don't like stop sending me the emails and I can't abuse it yeah right I mean it's just like Netflix you can get infinite free months Netflix if you just keep making infinite emails yeah everyone knows that but yeah plenty of people say screw it Netflix is worth it we don't care the fact that you have to well and dude how they track your shows like to Netflix's credit it's almost worth the money just for how well they recommend things to you yeah how well they keep track of your shows yeah like Nintendo your e-shop can do some Netflix lessons let me tell you let me tell you anyway thank you guys for tuning in thank you so much GamerPon for yeah for 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