teers Ultimately, it will be the city's responsibility to maintain the park as it is for any of our parks. Thank you councilmember tibbetz Thank you vice mayor One question I had gen was relating to the pump track So I know in northwest we have a really fun pump track and it's maintained by really dedicated Not just a group of volunteers, but I think they're kind of a bona fide nonprofit which gives it I think a little bit Higher level of responsibility and accountability Are we and also as you know when it comes to a pump track? It's dealing with something that's really maintenance intensive And safety issues. So is the group that we're working with in Kwanzaa Springs the same group as northwest It's actually a different group. Um, so it's a more of a A group that looks throughout california for these opportunities But we would look for a local organization. It is not something that the city could necessarily maintain by itself We do we do this in partnership at northwest community park with the group there and that's what we would look for here as well So the who is the group in california that you're working with? You know, I don't have their name, but I can get you there the name that I was working with We do have local the same local interest from this group as well It's just the The california group called me first. So We we would look locally to have it Have the local group be interested and help us develop that and maintain in the future And what recourse do you withhold in the event that volunteers walk away from it? You know, it'd be similar in northwest community park You know, like the city attorney said it falls back to the city for maintenance So it might be a little different and maybe and not as much maintenance to be honest, but it would still be maintained Okay, thanks jim councilmember fleming Yes, thank you vice mayor. I'm curious to know. I'm glad that the part of the mnd Mitigations were public transportation. I'm wondering if you know what the headways were and what number of bus or is that something that could change between now and The way future I want people to be able to get there on the bus the center or the city bus if they can I'm not certain of what the actual headways are but the closest bus stop is At petaluma hill road in kuana springs road and it's within a quarter to a half mile of the park boundary Can you speak to that? The the closest bus stop is at petaluma hill road in kuana springs road. I'm not certain of what the headways are But it that bus stop is located within a quarter to a half mile of this park location So it does provide decent access for people to walk to the park And how many table tennis tables will we be getting for those of us? We'll be out there all day because I imagine I'll be retired by the time this thing gets built and be Be advocating for pickleball in addition to my table tennis habit Right now there are two located on in the master plan But as we go through the process further if there's a lot of participation and interest in it There's always room for more tips. I don't want there to be conflicts over you know people playing all day long All right. Thank you. Great job guys Council member comes any questions? Thank you my my questions were actually already asked and I just want to thank staff for What appears to be a very effective and intense process uh to get us to Through so many design stages to this final design. Thank you All right, I'm going to go ahead and open our public hearing We'll start with dwayne do it followed by arlie hag And I did not actively seek to involve myself in this community of kuana springs business Frequently was mentioned tonight that this community And that's a specific thing So i'm not here to perhaps Try to influence this plan. I'm here to thank mr. Sawyer for asking. What is the responsibility of the city? This is a big 19 million dollar project And yet it has a portable toilet Bear farm has been mentioned tonight here a couple times and that's in my community and I was on the steering committee for that park We were told they were building a permanent restroom there They did It's locked After two years of its dedication people are still using porta potties That's a public health hazard porta potties Shouldn't even be in there for the american disabilities act for a long term situation So i'm hoping that tonight you will get the answers as to whether or not you're going to have The use of porta potties In a large community park in which you're trying to get lots of people to come to For a long time That is a serious issue Another issue that's very serious is that on slide nine. She talks about I should say miss santos talked about First aid was the traditional dot exercises and then slide nine Points out okay in 2015. We came up with this And dot exercises can be manipulated One person can put all their dots on one thing and then you don't have a balance And it doesn't really accurately reflect how a community might want something to be So I think what's really important tonight Is for what 2015 to 2019 came up with they're saying that this community decided upon it. Okay, that's great What we'll need is to make sure that you have that commitment of those volunteers Because a lot of times they're going to fade away And you're going to be on the hook or I should rephrase that The taxpayers are going to be on the hook for the costs of this and you've not even been able to provide for Southwest community park which you've had for over 20 years And place to play For over 20 years and you haven't been able to provide for those things So here you're getting ready to make it another big financial commitment And you don't have the money So please answer mr. Sawyer's question What is the responsibility of the city when you don't have enough dough to do what you want to do on the go Thank you duane arlie followed by carla hebert Yes, hello Arlie haig if any of you heard the rooster crow. I'm sorry. I know that roosters aren't I'm not allowed in santa rosa city It was my phone Good evening City council local and worldwide I Am a community garden manager and I Really love this park in addition to the fact that it has a community garden and I can't tell you the value of what is being done here because This area southeast santa rosa Is really a nice area. It's low income a lot of it, but there are some higher income houses I think this park will attract almost everyone from these neighborhoods And I don't think there's going to be a problem with getting there Right now a lot of people go up to the taylor mountain regional This is close. So it's a really good draw And I'm so happy that it's being proposed and I hope it gets passed and approved I just want to say that I've been involved with the meetings and the Different amenities and I know a lot of people that will go to each one of these because I've been in that neighborhood for since 88 And I've been waiting for this park for about five or six years I Had that koana community garden over at the koana school We had that for about 10 years And then the school wanted to Have a preschool complex. So we had to move a lot of the people from that garden went over to The south park community garden that I I also manage And they're waiting for this to come back So they can be and and one of our major gardeners lived right across the street from it. So I'm so happy about that And I just want to thank jen santos for sticking to this My name spelled wrong guys I notice up there spelled wrong um So anyway, please approve this And I think that It will really benefit climate change for one Um anything to do with preserving the health of the soil Is important Okay, thanks Thank you so much. Arlie karla followed by kendra holmes Karla Okay kendra holmes followed by mary ann wakefield Hello, my name is kendra holmes. I'm an original owner in the koana springs development My house is actually on mida, which is the west Wall of the park and right now if you Follow koana springs terrace all the way to mount taylor You can see the rvs the homeless rvs that people were talking about earlier You can see drug deals and you can see prostitution It's a major issue over there and I call on a regular basis and the police don't even come So my concern is that they're going to build this park and these issues are going to be a part of the park And no one's going to come and do anything about it Thank you Thank you. Kendra mary ann followed by linda shehan Hi, I I live right on the Corner of mida and koana springs and i've been there for about 10 years I retired in this area Moved to sonoma county and thought it was a great place to be and my concern is this park I've been to these two the meetings that I could attend the very first one Where all the dots were processed To me was confusing We had a group of people there attending that meeting And they thought that they had free reign to what this park should be incorporating There are a lot of things on this agenda or this planning that shouldn't be there There's no need for a bunch of or two places for picnic benches as an example I don't can't tell you how many times i've called the police out You know watching somebody homeless park in either the front of my home or across the street where you're going to have the park Either homeless teenage kids smoking pot doing drugs I have woken up in the middle of the night having People wander around out there Playing on drums and and loud music and we don't even have a park there They're accessing the park the park area From koana springs or walking down marita mida And even the review of of the impact in the community I'm really curious since that was done was that done prior to all the New development that's already taken place or that's taken place in the last couple years Right on koana springs and pedal on the hills. You've got the Buildings and then even now more structures That are being put up and I don't know how many are in that particular corner But that's all going to have an impact I call the police periodically I call them more to be honest but 90% of the time that I feel like I should be calling somebody I know that they've seen me and I'm afraid That if a police officer shows up in front of my home, they're going to know that I'm the one that's called I'm right there on that creek edge I see the kids go underneath the bridge. I see them You know, they they rob I found wallet a wallet that didn't belong to anybody that was stolen a stolen stolen things So they go under there even a cell phone that belonged to an officer I picked up the cell phone. It was sitting on the bridge made the phone call Ironically the person didn't lock their phone But it was a santa rosa police officer and said thank you for calling me and letting me know that's sitting here He says we had a robbery downtown santa rosa And the robber ended up taking my phone. So where did they go? They went in my front yard So I don't really want to see a big park there. It's dangerous Thank you, Mary Ann Linda And I'm slightly deaf. So my speech may not be very clear. I hope you'll bear with me Um, the reason that I'm interested in this park is kind of unusual. I've been really Looking for information on your earthquake preparedness in this city since I've been here I've been living here five years and I've been really interested the fires made me even more interested Um, we haven't had a major earthquake and one is coming And I have water and they say that it may be up to six weeks before we have Help from the outside when a major earthquake happened I look at the water situation there and I go it's What if the electricity is down? How will we get water now on my property? I can't store for each individual six weeks of water I don't know very many people who even have a couple of days worth of water We have so much water right underneath us everywhere We go that it's kind of ridiculous that we don't have some pump stations at our park That could be emergency water for us if we needed it We have 200,000 people in this city Who are going to need water if there's a major earthquake? And we don't have the power or any backup to give us that water we need Most of us will have the food we need, but we will not have the water we need It would be very easy if in every park We have a pump station a hand manual pump station where people can come and get water if they need it And so it's a wonderful park. I think they did a great job But I think they need to add one more thing to it And it's not something we may need tomorrow or the next day, but I tell you if we ever do need it We are going to be so thankful if someone put that small funding in there because it wouldn't cost that much to put pumping stations in our park for that kind of emergency And last but not least, I love this city. I love the people who love the homeless I love the people who who put up with it all You've shown a great deal of courage putting up with this homeless situation.  I think that's wonderful But we do need toilets We need toilets everywhere. It's a health concern for us all You know, there are great Arrays and disease and trouble if people don't have a place to do it You can't condemn somebody for taking a dump somewhere if there's no place to take a dump And so the park I worry about temporary toilets because anything that is temporary and can go with the Nittany Everybody's complaining that their toilets Are there and wrong the homeless? Is there anybody else who'd like to speak on this item? Go ahead There you go I live on Kiwana Terrace just up where all of the construction is going on Right across from where the children's village used to be I walked past both your houses several times a week um, I actually I'm happy about the park. I'm excited about the park for the reasons of Potential cleanup Everything that they said is true I have three granddaughters that I do not allow in my own front yard to play and I've got a rail fence out front because of the speeding and The youth that are up there that the the lady spoke of Is a daily around the clock problem. I have called it in. I've talked to hank about it before he retired um I put some information on your forum When it was offered I'm excited about the park to have a place to go I want to know how the city is going to partner with the the proposal to Keep crime down to keep Get rid of the rvs because I mean I I don't want to bring my kids down there by myself without my husband um I don't walk to Kiwana Springs or to Taylor park Taylor mountain by myself anymore. I can't walk from my house across from the children's village Up to Taylor mountain, which was one of the Attractions to find that home two and a half years ago my home's about 59 years old One of the first homes it was in the neighborhood and all of the other neighbors that I live around feel the same way I Literally wanted to go buy spike strips and put them in front of my yard To keep these teenagers and people from driving at least 60 miles an hour past my house Every day Every day I've been out there doing yard work and had to come back up under my sidewalk because of the speeding I think a site a cross not a crosswalk, but a stop sign needs to be where Mita is um I mean I've I've had to Take in my three grandkids one of them in a stroller and I mean I don't do it anymore. It's not safe The speeding is out of control I don't see police cars there very often and I know several of the policemen that say that they've gone over there and it's fine But they're going past where all of the stuff is going on Going up and checking the parking lot and coming back down It's illegal to drink and drive right But they're getting high and then they're driving and they're speeding past my house And it's not safe. So how is how? The RVs that are over there now where where are they going to go when you do all your cleanup and you move your boulders Sorry, thank you. Thank you so much. Could you give your name one more time so that staff can reflect it in a minute? I will give it to her great. Thank you so much Is there anybody else who'd like to speak on this item? All right, I'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the council Are there any additional questions for staff? All right councilmember tippants do you want to put a motion on the table? I move resolution of the council of the city of santa rosa adopting a mitigated negative declaration including a mitigation monitoring and reporting program for quanta springs community park to include paved trails community garden with portable restroom enclosure Parking picnic areas shade pavilions children's play areas for ages two to five and five to twelve restroom building bachi courts dog park bicycle pump track Half basketball court table tennis fitness stations volleyball multi-use turf area pedestrian bridge crosswalks and looped walking paths And adopting the quanta springs community park master plan and wave for the reading of the text second All right. Are any comments from council? Councilmember comes do you have any comments? No, just to thank staff for bringing it forward and to thank arlie haig for her continued work on community gardens in our area I think that was I sag Based on what was on the overhead, but thank you arlie with that. We'll go ahead and go to a vote Vice mayor roger is your vote? I councilmember combs councilmember fleming I councilmember oliveris I councilmember soyer I councilmember tidbits I So that will pass unanimously. Thank you so much deputy director So we as we announced earlier in the night Item 14.4 has been pulled and held until next week Where we will hear it then we are going to take a quick 20 minute break from the council We've got about an hour and a half of of commentary and public comment on the item 14.3 So we will come back at 750 And we're back Mr. McGlynn at 14.3 item 14.3 public hearing ordinance introduction ordinance of the council of the city of san aroza modifying chapter 18-33 to adopt by reference with local amendments the 2019 california energy code title 24 Part six of the building standards code all electric reach code and resolution setting a public hearing for adoption of the ordinance jesse oswald presenting Good evening. Thank you So some of this information is going to look familiar. We've talked about it several times Some background on where the code comes from we'll we'll specifically make sure it's clear that this is Only addressing the california energy code portion of the code adoption And locally known as a reach code because we're adopting We're proposing an option of more stringent requirements than the state proposes so California building standards commission every three years Publishes new codes based on international codes and here we are. This is the the sequencing time of year time of the cycle to do it The codes the energy code is a statewide standard that all public and private building construction in california will adhere to the 2019 energy code is Became actually officially published from the building standards commission and the the california energy commission july 1st So we've had this much time to actually go through the code and review what what it actually means So specifically if we adopt this code, it would be effective july or january 1st 2020 The the energy code adoption if we if we implement more strict Standards than the base requirement has has a very specific Charge that local local jurisdictions if they amend the energy code to be more stringent We have to make the finding that the amendments The amendments are supported with analysis showing that the proposed local standard Will be more energy efficient and be cost effective This is just a highlight the california energy code is one portion of the overall 11 part code series Some of the items that will be coming in with the adoption of the 2019 california energy code without local amendments these changes will occur. These are some highlighted items Lighting efficiencies are increased yet again, which they were already pretty pretty efficient We will no longer likely see Anything less than two by six exterior wall framing there were methods and pass codes to be able to do what was called performance To be able to do different types of measures to maybe do two by four framing So this is now going to almost dictate two by six exterior wall framing due to the high energy efficient insulation Doors will be addressed for the first time in the codes oddly enough Windows have been addressed for energy efficiency for a long time doors never were Um certain specific quality inspections will be required on most energy efficiency items in new construction It this continues to evolve to where third party inspections are now uh, going to be more and more commonplace Photovoltaic known as solar will be required Prescriptively in other words, it's a base requirement of the code on all new low rise residential construction low rise meaning three stories and below residential And natural gas is not eliminated from the base code. It is still part of the efficiency package This slide represents, uh, the california energy commission's analysis for the actual base code adoption This is not including the reach code, which we will be discussing They say that the uh, they Through the analysis have indicated that the Initial cost is an additional $9,500 for a single family home And the payback is $19,000 over a 30 year mortgage. This was through the cost analysis that the state did So some basics of a reach code as we've discussed a little bit in the past The code regulation sets building coded standards for all jurisdictions. They're what we call typically the base code Our local governments can adopt more stringent requirements not just for the energy code, but any of the codes specific to energy They have to be proven to be cost effective They're required to have the public process And if we were to adopt a reach code every time we want to continue a reach code We have to go through the process of public engagement and re-analysis cost cost effectiveness and more energy efficient than the base code So the options that we discussed in our one of our preliminary climate action subcommittees These were the three options present presented the all-electric ready Which is essentially pre-wiring the house or the the building if it if it's a duplex or what what have you To be ready to convert to all-electric but still they have the option to install gas They they have the 100% choice and there's no analysis that show any reduction in greenhouse gas because you just don't know when this may happen The all-electric favorite is kind of the middle tier It allows for the choice for a gas field appliances either gas or propane But the trade-off is if you go with a gas appliance You have to increase the efficiency. What's commonly known as the cow green tier one 10 to 20 more efficiency and other measures in the home So you do a trade-off for each appliance of the typical four appliances You increase the efficiency in some other element or elements to equal the efficiency lost by going with gas And then the third option that Is before you is the all-electric reach Which again requires all electric only no natural gas or propane for the primary appliances in the home In other words the homes would not be plumbed with natural gas or propane Here's our carbon dioxide analysis that was done Through the our partners in Bay Area Regional Climate Protection Authority Sonoma clean power and our other agencies that tells what our basic 2016 code which we are currently under shows in the just over 3.5 metric tons of carbon dioxide The 2019 proposed codes drop that just the base codes with no amendments drops that down to just around three Then if we go to the Higher efficiency 2019 codes that are coming We still get a better reduction and then the all-electric only shows the significant reduction in carbon dioxide Production for maintaining a home So on the right we have the partners that we've worked with to gather all the technical information the cost studies worked with the california energy commission california building standards commission So the cost analysis was required it is required for the adoption of a code a reach code So it was reviewed by these agencies and it has been accepted by the california energy commission So that that has become the basis for us being able to tell the energy commission and the building standards commission That we meet their requirements because they they have already reviewed this and and we're comfortable On a state level to be able to present this This breaks down the actual cost effectiveness study that was that was performed regionally With partnering jurisdictions and our our Climate protection partners showing that essentially the $6,171 in cost savings and this is this is generally across the state of california It's not specific to any one jurisdiction. So they've taken into account the entire state Uh a matter of interest has been presented a few times during our study sessions And uh other meetings Assembly bill 178 was signed by the governor in september And essentially it boils down to it exempts Homes that would normally be required to install photovoltaic solar systems, which is coming in the base code Regardless of what we do here It exempts them from having to install those the I read the background on the law the proposal is targeted to Relieve some of the costs with complying with code measures for rebuilding in declared emergencies so this cost effectiveness Study that we've used Only analyzed Through the entirety of the state The installation of photovoltaic systems as part of the energy efficiency. So by proxy This allowance by the governor Will exempt rebuilds from the all-electric reach codes And I I do have support from our partners in the analysis of this So some of our outreach that we've we've performed on the left We have our typical monthly building officials riko redwood empire associated of code officials that we meet monthly We have a list of those counties and and jurisdictions that we meet with continually discussing codes And the adoptions and and amendments and trying to as much as possible Show some consistency across jurisdictions. So we're not standing out out on our own Some other meetings that we've had we do have a regular north coast builders exchange meeting was targeted With the rebuild in mind, but we've had a great forum with several builders and the and the builders exchange over Gosh a year and a half now. They've been a great conduit for us coffee strong meeting We always get a lot of interest in those meetings We bring them everything that we bring with to every meeting also the standing home Meeting for the coffee neighborhoods We also did a forum with the redwood empire remodelers association Last month. I believe it was a great turn out there And then our other public outreach specifically targeting full public participation The first meeting with the climate action subject committee was in june And we had our study session with both building and fire codes in july another Event put on by the north coast builders exchange which brought up a pretty large crowd The the title was what the what do these codes essentially there's reach codes mean to you Another climate action subcommittee in september Build a round table, which was really well attended out at the ufo in september as well And then we did that last study session in september For building and fire code adoption This is just a list it indicates 50. This is of course course not 50 We have an updated list that we can provide you for cities that have actually adopted or taken first steps in adopting some sort of a reach code it as we evolve in our discussions and in Potential adoptions of codes other jurisdictions are watching us and we're watching them as well so Planning and economic economic development environment. That's a mouthful Uh Recommends that the city council introduce an ordinance adopting by reference to 2019 california energy code california code of regulations title 24 part 6 As adopted and amended by the state of california and further amended based on local conditions for use in chapter 18-33 of the center santa rosa city code To modify the santa rosa city code to reflect the new model code Introduce an ordinance adopting by reference with local amendments the 2019 california energy code And adopt by resolution setting a public hearing for adoption of the ordinances And we believe for december 3rd Thank you David i'm going to start asking you a question One of the main requirements in here. That's obviously a lynch pin is the cost effectiveness Uh analysis and I noticed that in two different places. We have two different Criteria one it says over the life of the mortgage and that seems to be on the state's requirements that are coming in That will obviously discuss more fully next week Uh, you know, it shows that even with the photovoltaic systems coming in that over the life of the 30-year mortgage it would save 9500 Excuse me 19 thousand dollars Then obviously we look at it on the reach side Which is the one-time expense of the construction of the gas versus not having it Can you talk a little bit about the distinction between how cost-effective is defined and how this meets that criteria? Sure, and just to can jump in here too. Um, if you want the the first one you mentioned was again for the base code which Is defined by the state. I'm looking at what those what those improvements will do to a homeowner's annual electricity bill by reducing their energy consumption, but also the energy loss in a home So that's what this graph represents So that's that that 19 thousand dollars of savings is is primarily over the cost to the individual homeowner On the flip side when we start looking at the Cost-effectiveness study and the rationale that we have to provide the state to even have the conversation we're having tonight Is to show that the the reach code elements do Show it's cost-effective, but also um has a reduction in greenhouse gases So we did show the greenhouse gas reduction element slide before this the second is this and this is actually just the infrastructure So it doesn't take into account the ongoing savings to the homeowner. This is the cost to building construct And so as jesse mentioned, this is Average over the state and they look at four things really reach code is looking at four appliances is the heating and cooling the Water heating dryers and cooking and so those are the four appliances you can see here really There's no cost difference in most of the appliances that's a little bit in the heat pump From moving from a typical heating cooling system the cost where they're showing the savings is really the The infrastructure putting the gas lines in so not having to put those lines in shows net reduction in that one-time cost So that's the that's how we have to prove to the state And is this actually this study came from the state and that's Again, one of the reasons you're seeing us to have this conversation But also a lot of jurisdictions around the state having this conversation Because now there is a study that has been done to show this number that allows us to look at By moving these these items forward and and debating them. So Again, I think the clarification to your point The first one really represents the cost of the homeowner and this one represents the cost to the construction Which ultimately does get passed on to the homeowner on through the construction process Okay, great. Thank you so much. So then this analysis Folks should become familiar with it because I assume Those 50 jurisdictions that are looking at this are all looking at the same numbers then that's correct. And we're all using the same data So I think there was an issue up in Windsor of a threatened lawsuit related to this Can you speak to where that sits and how that might impact santa rosa? Um certainly the Santa Rosa we did receive a letter very similar to the letter that was received in Windsor We have reviewed that we have put together a full response And we find that there is no merit to a lawsuit under California Environmental Quality Act again I should have specified right at the outset that that was the basis for the lawsuit Or potential lawsuit up in Windsor, but we have reviewed all that we have put together materials and we were very confident That that there are no issues that would Lead to us any successful litigation I appreciate that and I I appreciate the clarification that it was on sequa Not based on the cost Correct right Have we as a city and as staff started to contemplate the implications of Moving to the all electric Given the concerns about the energization and the public safety power shutoffs Yes, so that's obviously a big conversation that's happening One of the things that we've looked at is what what currently However, it's currently impacted. So one of the things we're finding and we heard quite a bit is a lot of appliances Now any of the new appliances being installed have electric starters. So even people with gas were affected by the power shutoffs So one of the things that we're we're evaluating is what is that long-term resilience look like from regardless if you're on gas or electricity How do we address that as a community? And that's something that we're going to be looking at with effort not with working with urban Uli Urban Land Institute And our the county as a whole Um, how does our electrical grid system look from a sustainable standpoint or long-term resilience standpoint? But as I mentioned this, I think that's an issue regardless of of this Decision tonight because even with this decision tonight, we still have a large portion of our population that Will remain on the existing infrastructure the existing gas system the existing electrical grid that we have to address So it's definitely top of mind and something that we'll be looking at over the next year or so Yeah, so regardless of how the council votes will end up needing a full response to the public policy challenge that's been presented great Jesse if I could just So what I heard from you is It's cheaper Rebuilds are exempted Correct correct Existing homes are not impacted. Correct Anything that is built that is Above four store four stories are above is not impacted. Correct. Right. Thank you so much councilor. Are there any additional questions? councilmember fleming Thank you for doing a robust community engagement Can you speak to your experience with uh folks in the fountain grove area? I'm making i'm wondering if they're clear on that this would not affect their rebuilds and also in happy hidden valley It's been a little more challenging with the engagement with the found grove community We haven't had any engagement with them for a few months the last ones. I think that we were at the same ones We do work through our builders that we we meet with on a regular basis. So they are carrying the message forward for us But they have They're they're very Not shy about discussing what they're built with their builders what they want and don't they're not shy folks But i'm just wondering if we had given them a similar Outreach or courtesy That we have and I can say that all of our outreaches were Broadcast through the entire city and region so we didn't isolate to any specific rebuilds or otherwise Glad to hear it. Thank you Okay, as I mentioned we have quite a few cards on this so I will open the public hearing I'm going to ask folks to limit your comments to two minutes and uh feel free to not take up all of that So we'll start with andy fergusson followed by laura niche council I'm andy fergusson. I'd like to two minutes is a short time, but I'd like to say Uh, I tell you that in my career I worked as a engineer And I speak asian languages so I spent a lot of that in asia When I was freezing to death in northern some northern place in japan or china I tumbled I learned about heat pumps And when I came back to the united states, I decided that in order to You know go green with panels with solar panels. I should put in heat pumps too My second career after working as a Engineer in asia was as a builder I built apartment buildings And I also purchased apartment buildings And I did all of those at a full electric 100 electric basis I installed heat pumps in the units And they turned out to be the best investment I could have made not only the tenants love them because they have both heating and cooling They're far less expensive to operate And it was a very good business decision for me to do that I joined the american geophysical union in order to learn more about climate science And I've been going to their conventions of 20 000 scientists in san francisco every year the fall meeting in december At those places i've learned about the severe threat that methane represents in the climate I have a quick graphic to show you about that This graphic the top one this graphic shows the total impact of carbon dioxide and methane on the climate The top line is the impact of carbon dioxide on global warming and climate change The bottom line is the impact of methane The difference is and for policy makers is that we can stop Putting methane into the atmosphere and make a real difference carbon dioxide will be there for 300 years But the methane 20, thank you. Thank you so much laura niche followed by kevin conway Uh laura is not here i'll put her card off to the side kevin followed by jeff stewart Uh kevin conway with friends of the climate action plan There I was really glad to hear a city attorney gallagher mentioned that She felt confident about lawsuits related to sequa I have heard that there's talk about another type of lawsuit a slap lawsuit strategic lawsuit against public participation These lawsuits against cities trying to protect their citizens against the ravages of climate change Should be seen as ridiculous as a lawsuit against our government for trying to protect us against terrorism Any money that we save by avoiding such a lawsuit won't mean much in light of the money that we're going to be spending trying to recover From the ongoing catastrophes that our cities already face and will continue to face As this crisis gets worse Let's face it. No terrorism Our terrorist group could ever threaten our city and and the world more than the climate crisis does And no lawsuit should ever deter us from doing what is right and what has to be done I wanted to thank council member tibets for mentioning the oakmont village association working on a micro grid And his encouraging of the climate action subcommittee to follow their progress on that I would like to see our climate action subcommittee meet At least on a monthly basis Since the committee was established during the goal setting sessions in the beginning of the year Of they've only met three times and here we are in November. So it feels like we're not really acting as though we're We're in a crisis and I'd like to see that change. Thank you. Thank you, sir So jeff stewart followed by deborah Good evening. My name is jeff stewart. I'm President of bluestar gas a local propane distributor Been a business 81 years I'm a third generation in the business As a business owner in san rosa and a longtime resident who Like with all of us experienced power shutoffs and forced evacuations energy security is extremely important Energy security comes from energy diversity And unless there are redundant systems in place no amount of electricity Renewable or conventional will provide the certainty that the residents of the city san rosa require To provide adequate protection of lives safety and health in disaster settings Energy is more than just a convenience for some power is a critical necessity Propane and natural gas provide life sustaining energy for our elderly population For oxygen generators or those that require charging of wheelchairs Firefighters use propane to power their basecams to cook food wash clothes Take out showers cell phone towers rely on propane as backup power hospitals water treatment facilities Electric utility and even electric utilities city of san rosa uses propane as backup power for the sewage lift stations So help me understand city council members Why you would allow and require energy diversity For the most critical city infrastructure needs Will not provide the same level of energy security options to our citizens If the council adopts this reach code You will be eliminating customer choice of critical alternative energy redundancy And requiring infrastructure and electricity that is an unreliable single point of failure And requiring more expensive to the tune of set $1,000 a year more for electricity Thank you, sir Debra followed by peter gang Debra Okay, we'll go with peter followed by tony white Good evening Vice mayor Council members. My name is pete gang. I am a builder architect um I've been at this game for Nearly 40 years And I just wanted to say like all the other builders who I assume are in the room The whole design community when I started out in my career Natural gas was the the clean safe alternative. We were doing everything we could To heat cool power our build not cool, but heat power our buildings with natural gas and move away from electricity back then we knew very little about the climate crisis and We times have changed Slowly over the last several years We have learned about the climate crisis and to say that we have underestimated its Scope and reach is itself a huge understatement over the last 10 years or so we have learned about The human caused greenhouse gas The human caused greenhouse gases and more recently we now know that methane Which is the primary component of natural gas Is itself A potent greenhouse gas Which on an annual basis is over a hundred times More damaging than co2 That Doesn't get much airplay, but that is one of the main motivations behind us Wanting to get away from natural gas and move toward all electric. Thank you Thank you. Peter tony white followed by howlbeck He'll be followed by amy bolton I'm Disappointed tony white isn't here. I was hoping to hear what he had to say Personally i'm Understand this is probably a done deal I personally can't see a single reason why the center was a city council would prohibit Natural gas hookups for new connections Electro electrical energy is not reliable. I think we all have seen that over the last couple of months I think we're going to continue to see it Natural gas propane are Those who had gas or propane could took in heat during those cutoffs those who did not could not Electric energy is not carbon neutral. It's not carbon free. I always enjoy those emission free stickers on the cars It kind of is just like People who believe that milk comes from the grocery store. You had a nice house there in one of your graphics showing The The emissions coming off of that house Gas versus electric and then are the power lines going back didn't show the power lines that create emissions that A year ago with a campfire Gave us the worst air quality in the bay area in the world We were ahead of pecking and we were ahead of Mumbai and it wasn't caused by It certainly wasn't caused by cows farting methane. It was caused by the transmission of electricity So that that that graphic that shows this is how the efficiency of the house is Is doesn't include the transmission and the risk that go with it We've been using fire For what 500,000 maybe two million years That's how we learned to cook and heat our caves. That's been our basic source It has a lot to create a civilization And chefs don't use electric cooking. We use natural gas Electric cooking is for hot plates Find electricity as a reliable source that could cost your life Thank you. Amy Bolton followed by ben granholm Hey, good. Good evening Amy Bolton, I'm with christopher some builders. I'm here partially in that capacity and partially as a resident lifelong of san rosa New homes built today as I mentioned are light years ahead of energy efficiency new homes construction Which are a teeny tiny sliver of our housing stock light years ahead of energy efficiency Then existing housing stock and the new 220 energy codes are going to increase that by half Like so these houses are already going to be so incredibly efficient Um In synomically empower offers really great incentives. It's great program over to have people go all electric if they want to But here's the point Okay Um Here here's the point where this gets a little personal, you know, we do talk to a lot of our customers And I know that the rebuilds are exempt from this which is which is great. You can feel better, but um They also represent the sentiment of just the general public who are going to be looking to buy new homes and I have to tell you like Most of them are very not happy about the thought of having this crammed on their throat Not being able to have you know a gas um A gas stove or a gas water heater or whatever So that could be an issue in the future and then also yeah during the last power outages My whole neighborhood we were out for a week And i'm telling you without having the hot water and being able to cook on our stove just use a little lighter And um the little you know gas Burn it the little gas fireplace we have it would have been miserable with two kids I mean it was just a horrible quality of life. And so I wouldn't be surprised if the state looks at revising that and just given the fact this is our new reality Um, I really do think we should think twice about pushing this so quickly so fast Thanks. Thank you. Amy Ben followed by joy I apologize. Alaphia Uh, good evening. Mr. Vice mayor and council members. My name is ben granholm of the western propane gas association Thank you for the opportunity to comment this evening Wpga supports clean energy However, we do believe that the all-electric reach code before you this evening is fundamentally flawed Uh specifically the inclusion of propane in the definition of all electric building or design And the propane industry is proud of the role that we play in providing a low-cost clean energy to rural communities When we look at the electricity pricing forecast provided by california regulatory agencies It's pretty evident that their work does not factor in the fragility of california's electric grid and other infrastructure and liability costs That are ultimately passed on to ratepayers PG new has recently granted the ability to increase rates 23 percent over the next three years Uh and electricity prices are going to continue to skyrocket While rate payers are left with an unstable and unreliable electrical electrical grid and energy source Uh, whereas propane can provide clean energy uninterrupted At a cheaper rate than electricity Over the past couple months, we've seen millions of residents across california many of which were right here in santa rosa Left in the dark due to power safety shutoffs These occurrences which are expected to continue for at least the next 10 years or a prime example Is why relying on a single energy source is dangerous and unacceptably risky Uh clean energy solutions should not have to compete against one another when they can often complement each other In order for solar to be successful It needs to have backup power and battery storage is not yet mature as price and performance very wildly Costing tens of thousands of dollars Lastly, I'd like to question the report that it's cheaper to build an electric home versus gas This analysis does not factor in the cost for fitting a new home for propane There's no significant price differential between building and propane Thank you, sir joy followed by alex gallard day art addressing climate change should not be a contentious dichotomous discussion We should not demonize one clean energy solution while favoring another Instead, we should look at the science And hopefully address climate change Look at the full energy cycle not just an elitist lens that pushes the greenhouse gas emission burdens to another community I'd like to emphasize that propane is not methane Again propane is not methane Renewable propane is just one of the innovations at your disposal to fight climate change an e3 report used to inform the cc list Renewable gas as carbon neutral carb has also identified renewable propane is on par or having a lower carbon footprint than electricity Look at the report from dr. Ernest monies Physicist and former energy secretary under barack obama The gist of his report is all clean fuels including renewable gaseous fuels must effectively be used to address climate change There is an additional challenge with an electric only proposition cal iso Cal iso electric grid operators advise that the state's backup power supply is in danger of being depleted in 2020 Requiring more polluted electricity from other out-of-state or dirtier in-state Plants adopting this plan would willingly create an energy desert for santa rosa residents rather than the community Rather than committing the city to adopting a well-intentioned but deeply premature highly risky solar energy proposition all energy Solutions must be embraced I submit that perhaps propane was not properly evaluated. This is why san luis abispo Elected to exclude propane from the proposition Santa rosa cannot afford a symbolic gesture For clean energy. I humbly would also submit that the staff proposal to look at wildfire resilience should be unacceptable To santa rosa residents. Thank you Thank you. Alex followed by chris thompson Good evening council members. My name is alex collard. I am a santa rosa resident and an employee of bluestar gas Despite the colossal nightmare our region recently experienced with wildfires and blackouts the city Santa rosa city council is blindly pushing ahead with the proposal to create a precedent for an all-electric community This well-intentioned but misinformed drive to electrify everything will reap a harvest of regret and deprivation While exposing citizens to otherwise avoidable life and death risks If implemented the policy could literally lead to untold fatalities and worst-case scenarios Especially for those who rely on life-sustaining medical equipment The proposal is devoid of common sense and ignores the fact that electrifying everything creates a single point of failure with no plan b The council needs to step back from the precipice and consider the following realities One electricity is not a silver bullet It is dangerous to assume that all buildings and homes should be electric only because every other type of energy is somehow bad The reality is that the act of generating electricity creates 16 percent of the state's greenhouse gas emissions two Energy diversity is vital. It is a risky proposition to put all the energy eggs in a single basket From grid failures to hackers califering would be highly vulnerable to blackouts without any other options Three buildings are just a small source of greenhouse gas emissions The california air resource board estimates that the building sector accounts for just nine percent of the state's total greenhouse gas Emissions today at best total electrification of the residential sector would only decrease total greenhouse gas emissions by about two percent And four the council ignores the environmental values of alternative fuels such as propane Propane is a decentralized source. It is not susceptible to wildfire Preparedness shutoffs propane is the only energy source to provide reliable sustainable backup power Propane is becoming even more sustainable with the introduction of renewable propane. Thank you for your time Chris thompson followed by keith woods Good evening. My name is chris thompson and i'm the vice chair of the oakmont democratic club The kinkade fire and pgne power shutoff of a few weeks ago Marks the third year in a row that we here in sonoma county have experienced california fire emergencies It is clear that our community is indeed very vulnerable to the disastrous effects of global climate change But we are not helpless Today we can take an important step in fighting this climate emergency By implementing the electric reach code for new housing This code will help ensure that by using only electric appliances in new homes and multi-story Residences of four stories or less We eliminate the need for natural gas A dangerous Contributor to greenhouse gases as the methane present in natural gas worsens The already deadly effects of carbon dioxide in our air While some argue that the reach code costs too much and limits building choices. We see that in 2019 this claim is no longer valid science warns us That we have less than 10 years to address the climate tipping point We are in a state of emergency We are running out of time Electric homes are the future we need for ourselves and especially For our children and our grandchildren Thank you Thank you, keith woods followed by craig losses Thank you keith woods. I'm the ceo of uh, north coast builders exchange. We have close to 900 Builders so I get a near full on this and the pros and the cons and uh overwhelmingly Our position is this is just too much for too little results. This will make you feel good It sounds good, but I hope you'll make fact-based decisions Rather than emotion-based decisions This is my fourth entity that now I've uh, I've been at meetings. So one in Windsor.  They've taken a middle ground The middle ground is they they wanted a carrot and a stick The uh, they took the all electric favored meaning you will have gas and electric hookup But you need to offset the gas with high energy efficiency appliances for Heating and for water But you'll still be able to have your cooking and your fireplace because they realize those future home buyers Are not going to like this trust me and trust the builders in the room who can tell you this is not a popular concept And if you do think it's that great We'll put it on the ballot and make it mandatory for retrofitting all of them if it's that hot of an idea I went to the county today and the supervisors decided, you know what? That there's enough there's too much. We don't know about this and so they've deferred it They adopted the state codes, but they have deferred this decision and said come back later Let's give homeowners a chance more than five or six weeks to be able to To get a home started Finally, um the article that was in the press democrat called all electric's time will come But it isn't here yet ought to be mandatory reading by those who be in the decision making Thank you. Keith craig Lawson followed by Keith. It's christ officer Mr. Vice mayor members of the council By the way, I gave a handout cheese. I think I'm going to pass it out to you right now It's a really big handwriting. So it's really easy to read There are 11,502,870 households in the state of california On average, we build about 80,000 new homes in the state of california So that means That 0.0069 Percent of new housing stock is contributing to the overall housing stock New homes utilize 96 percent efficient Furnaces and water heaters seal combustion condensing type as mandated by the current energy codes 87 percent of the housing stock in california was built prior to 1980 In 1978 the california energy commission came into existence and started developing new standards Which we all live by today Homes built prior to 1980 have 78 percent or worse efficient furnaces 67 percent or worse efficient water heaters simple bath New homes are therefore producing 0.0016 percent of greenhouse gases That's one ten thousandth of one percent By the way, I provided some housing statistics by fuel type for you for reading Finally the residential Housing contributes seven percent of the greenhouse gases in the state of california is not accurate The the quote of 27 percent report was was not accurate My references are all from the california air resources board from august It would seem to me by focusing your energy on efforts on industrial and transportation Cost effective one ten thousandth of one percent. Thank you, sir. Keith christofferson followed by tom conlon What I have to address is Already been put in front of you tonight But I'd like to reemphasize we're working with all the only people working for our rebuild clients and We've had lengthy discussions with with the people we're building for and the people we will be building for this is over There's over a hundred families well over a hundred families And uh keith woods talked about uh heelsburg and what what keith's Said about the concern being the the cooking Pardon me the cooking and the fireplace Is absolutely correct. The only thing that he missed was barbecues And so really if people want the gas for for their cooking they want it for their barbecues and they want for their fireplaces It's really that simple and I think there's a there's a A public education process that needs to be gone through I have no doubt in my mind that the future is going to be electric for heat and uh For water and and all of the other utilities, but There's there is such a lack of Of knowledge within the general public that this is a very hard sell and it's uh It's backing people feel like they're being backed into a corner And I think that the next step needs to be this public information program. Thank you Thank you tom conlon followed by brice paddison Thank you tom conlon Sierra clubs and oma group First I want to thank staff and the climate action subcommittee for all the hard work that I know has gone into this over the past six months at least um, and especially your pains at Reflecting the diversity opinion, you know going out and expanding your outreach when concerns rose But then remaining focused on the facts and not bogged down by some of the fears you hear expressed in the room tonight If any community has received the memo that the age of business as usual is over it is this one It is this city So i want to thank you in advance for your vote tonight in support of the all electric reach code In the great scope of things this is actually a pretty easy vote for you to take because the building sector is performing pretty well And it's precisely because we are asking a lot of our builders Every three years we ask them to adopt the new technologies that are coming out of our amazing innovation economy And they do it and they do it successfully And we appreciate their their efforts And this is this is what we have in front of us tonight is that the All electric era is going here and by the way the cost effectiveness study that misty bruceary has done for you I was in class with misty. It's an old state university about 27 28 years ago And there's no one I can think of more qualified or more has more integrity to do a cost study like the one in front of you tonight Now you've also heard complaints that somehow propane Is a clean fuel That is simply not true propane is a fossil fuel It leaks I think in in many ways because it's so distributed Distribution system the leakage in the propane system. We don't even know what it is the research frankly hasn't been done because Propane is such an insignificant amount of the entire energy profile So I just hope the prop the ab 178 exemption people aren't too angry that they didn't Thank you, sir, brice paddison followed by amy writer Good evening. My name is brice paddison. I'm the ceo of associated propane And we service the santa rosa area I'd like to share with you some benefits of propane as a clean alternative energy source Climate change is a complex challenge and there's no silver bullet Wind solar and renewable propane We'll all have to factor in the equation of how to combat one of the most critical issues of our time As we have seen over the past couple weeks with the power safety shutoffs Over two million people were impacted and many of those who live in all electric homes and drive electric vehicles Were stranded with no power and no transportation By going all electric You're putting all your eggs in one basket and putting an incredible strain on an already unreliable electric grid Just two weeks ago pg and e ceo bill johnson advised the puc That it could take 10 years to fully strengthen the grid to the point where shutoffs are minimal This community cannot afford to have interrupted power for 10 years Propane customers have reliable power We heard from countless propane Users who reported how thankful they were for their propane generator Which provided continuous power for them in the face of blackouts I wish to share a couple propane stories and testimonials A customer named george shared and I quote last year after I was out of power for six days I was frustrated I bought a 30 kilowatt generator to run my whole house and I am so happy to feel part of civilization now that the power is out I am not happy with my power provider pg and e And their lack of care if we have power One of my most important decisions in deciding on my generator is that I wanted to clean fuel I wanted to be able to have my computer as I needed information throughout the day I am an engineer and I know how important it is to have a fuel That is good for our environment. Thank you for your time. Thank you Amy Yes, good evening. Thank you vice mayor and council appreciate at your time. I'm a local energy and sustainability consultant and I just wanted to um kind of reiterate what you said vice mayor rogers that Uh, all electric is cheaper cleaner Safer and better for the climate and I really appreciate your succinct summary of that because I don't see a downside here and in fact Uh, we we know we're in a climate crisis and more than anything. Why would we want to contribute further to it? I see this as a very simple first step to to no longer contribute to the problem As a first step of taking our foot off the accelerator before we can even slow down. So thank you for your time Thank you so much. Is there anybody else who'd like to address on this issue? Go ahead Make sure you identify yourself for uh for for the clerk I'm mike turgeon friends of the climate action plan. Thank you vice mayor and council Uh, I want to thank the builders in particular for what they've accomplished in the last two years Helping our victims of the fire from the tubs fire to rebuild In such a responsible and diligent way And I'd like to thank the city council for coming so far this last year by elevating the climate crisis to a tier one priority forming a climate subcommittee And investigating the reach code And all the angles and everything that goes along with it. It's it's been quite a slog to get there Um, the fossil fuel arguments are pretty cogent for 1990 maybe 2010 perhaps But we have got no time left our carbon budget is gone And methane what we're learning about it is so toxic and such a multiplier of carbon that uh This seems like a small step But it's a step and we've come quite this far And this will be the beginning of many difficult decisions that are going to be made But we would count on the council to take the broadest view possible On keeping our citizens safe And there's no broader view than what's happening to us in the midst of the climate crisis. Thank you Thank you, sir. Anybody else? Hello, uh, my name is justin glover. I'm a resident in pedaluma Actually in a in an arcade practicing architect um The main point I think that I want to make here after hearing every all the the prior comments is just that We have One big global problem And that's the climate crisis that we're in right now And this whole this whole effort Especially on a state basis by setting these emission goals whose target is completely Through the code and through them asking local jurisdiction jurisdictions like you to To address these reach codes is to get to that big problem that big problem Is then creating these other smaller problems like the fires and the flooding and the hurricanes and all these other things, right? so This these these issues of like hey, let's deal with the smaller problems that are a result of the bigger problem I don't think makes sense. I think you have to look at the base level argument You have to say what is the big problem that's causing all these other issues And I think that that is very clear. Um, and I just want to express the council that this this piece Is really on your shoulders They the state has set these goals And then given a code that doesn't quite get there and then ask jurisdictions like you To be the people that really pushes the finish line so we can actually achieve those emissions goals So I in addition to being coming here tonight. I've gone through Um, a few other jurisdictions around the state to similar meetings like this and one thing I would say is that there is um There are a lot of jurisdictions that are considering this this option right now And I think a lot of jurisdictions around here are going to look to santa rosa for leadership On this issue. And I think this is an opportunity for Um for you to to prove to prove that and to be a leader and uh in the in the north of california Thank you. Thank you, sir. Yep anybody else? All right, I will close the public hearing and bring it back to the council Uh councilmember combs. I apologize. I forgot to ask if you had any questions before we open the public hearing Thank you, uh, I do have a couple of questions and I appreciate the opportunity to ask them before we go on Um, and thank you staff for bringing this to us I think we've been talking about it a very long time and I appreciate it coming forward Can anyone in santa rosa have a propane gas grill That they use outside this code This is code ban having a gas grill outside The ordinance does not affect the installation of propane Appliances if you use portable propane Uh cylinders there's a propane That's true. Also, if you have a gas generator If you use a propane gas generator and you have a portable Bank Correct and you could it doesn't it also does not prohibit the installation of a larger propane tank for the use of a generator The reach code does not address generators Okay Just an aside comment in my home in santa rosa I recently installed a um induction Cooktop and I I'm really very happy with it In my second home In ecuador I have a propane gas Cooktop that was in the house that I that I'm in Um when I moved into it and the uh It's filled by a tank. There was recently a strike here um on Uh transit strike transportation workers went on strike and blocked all the roads And the canisters couldn't be delivered Uh, so while I'm hearing folks express concern about The failure of electricity and the problems associated with electricity We shouldn't be making the assumption That there will always be propane delivery as well because we just experienced A weekend of of uh, no propane delivery and a lot of people ran out of propane here um, so there are some advantages to um Expanding one's horizons with travel um I would I would strongly support Moving forward with the reach code And thank you very much to the friends of the climate action plan for their help in educating and Making sure that we understand the details Of what our climate action plan calls on us to do And and this is one of those things so thank you Thank you councilmember So i'm going to make sure we put a motion on the table here for discussion The motion coming from the climate action plan action subcommittee Was to adopt the reach codes Councilmember fleming do you want to make a motion for discussion? Yes, so tonight we have two motions before us I'll start with the introduction of the ordinance And wait for a second ordinance of the city of santa rosa adopting by reference with local amendments to 2019 california energy code Including all electric low rise residential reach code and wait for the reading of the text second Okay, i'm going to start at this end councilmember tibbetz One question i have for staff is uh, we were getting some comments about propane versus natural gas and i appreciate the question councilwoman combs asked relative to using propane in the backyard sounds like that is not an issue and that was my understanding as well but We do not run propane through our Appliances at home correct that is natural gas Correct we use typically natural gas in our incorporated area and my understanding is that Natural gas is predominantly comprised of methane including other gases that includes propane Is that do we understand that to be true? Maybe that's i don't know getting too deep, but i just want to I guess clarify this and debunk this a little bit because when i heard that Propane is a clean fuel. That's my understanding as well because it's predominantly comprised of ethane and Oh gosh Butane which i think are more refined fuels that are cleaner burning But that's not what we're talking about and i just want to highlight that point We're talking about natural gas and those do have dirty components to them You know for me this is I'm trying to find a reason why not i have not heard folks who are In opposition to this measure State that the construction costs Were higher and if this is a public hearing and they can address that i would be interested in hearing it um, but what i'm hearing from The research of our staff research that i've done Coming from empirical sources including the california energy commission I'm hearing that it is cheaper to build It is greater cost savings for the residents over a 30-year mortgage It exempts fire rebuilds, which we i think could all agree up here is very important to this council um And to me i think slide eight was perhaps the most compelling and that was the fact that By taking this action. It's 1.9 million million tons. It was a million tons or metric tons metric metric, okay, that makes more sense 1.9 metric tons less than than the other alternatives and you know and when we talk about climate change It's going to be a pain in the butt, you know, i'd i like to drive a 1989 fort f-257 liter v8 That gets about eight miles to the gallon um, but You know my next truck was going to be a dodge ram 2500 diesel I like the way they sound. I like the power that they have That's not where my life is going I'm going to be getting an electric truck or electric car when they come out because I believe that's the change That's necessary in this world. It's painful. It's not what we're used to it's not necessarily what we want But I do think it's the change that has to happen So I'll be supporting this measure and I look forward to hearing what my colleagues think councilmember Fleming Okay, I'll come down here councilmember olivares Thank you, uh, again, thanks for to staff for all the work that you've done on this and I I too appreciate the exemptions for the 2017 fire rebuild I think that is very important a lot of good research and thank you for pointing out Slide eight because that's also gravitated towards me as well And I guess it's for me. It's kind of a matter of when this is going to happen. I think this is It is a small step and it's also a first step and for me I'm looking into the future not necessarily for my life But I'm looking forward to what's going to be happening in my grandchildren's lives, you know, they're Four and six years old right now and for me it's it's looking at that vision for them And what the world's going to be like for them I don't know what kind of fuel they'll be using by the time they're adults and buying their homes But for me, uh, I don't see a reason why not to take this first step at this time. So I will be supporting this Councilmember Sawyer, thank you very much, mayor was the um Was propane evaluated as far as it's um, because an as a compromiser as an option Uh As opposed to saying no Was that was it evaluated as as one of the options? Because I haven't heard except in this audience tonight. I haven't heard anything Didn't read anything about propane. I have received a fair amount number of emails And the reason for my question is that I am concerned about a single energy solution and what I've been hearing about the the danger of Of um methane in our in our atmosphere and I I am concerned about this A lack of energy diversity when it cut when I see what's going on with the with the shutoffs It does concern me. So I'm wondering what was evaluated as far as propane So propane was included in the evaluation when we looked at the three different alternatives So we looked at the electric ready, which would have allowed a propane in addition We looked at the electric favored, which would allow propane As an option and then the electric reach would which eliminated natural gas and propane And so direction was given to look at the and bring forward an all electric reach code So at that point that was a decision point to move towards what we're bringing to you tonight So propane was part of the conversation on those first two. Um, and that's that's when it was talking about Okay, so I'll tell you where I'm where I'm coming from and I don't have children But my I do have great great nieces and nephews The decisions that we make today, um, they will have to live with In the future At the same time What I'm what I'm hearing is that the the The evil creature in the room is methane and that propane does not contain methane at least in any In an amount that would be damaging to our to our environment. So I'm having a hard time saying no to energy diversity and I'm just so I'm struggling with this because I'll I have I have natural gas at home And It allowed me to have a you know a reasonably Normal existence during the power shutoffs Had I had propane I would have been able to enjoy the the use of that And also be reasonable be responsible as far as the environment. So i'm um I'm having a hard time eliminating propane as an option And I understand the recommendation of the of the subcommittee Um, and it's I think it's it is a to me a little unfortunate that that it was That it was dismissed Out of hand and that the electric reach was Embraced completely without offering a This diversity that I think is is really important for homeowners and the community so um, I'm not I'm I'm not sure where my where my finger is going to go on this on on the board. Um when I vote because It's not an option. I mean I it's so my my option has been removed And by saying no I I'm sending a message that I don't want to send And if I say yes, I'm eliminating that energy diversity that I think is so important. So I'm I am Um, I'm conflicted. So I have seconds to think about what I'm going to do council member Fleming Yeah, so I want to thank everybody for the robust community outreach and for You know on both sides that people have come forward to speak about what is important to them And I think that um, I've made no bones about it that what's important to me is making sure that my child has a safe place That she can live and I'm increasingly concerned that I may not get to the end of my lifetime with a safe place to live So, um, what you know with that being said, you know, I hear the, um concerns about Propane, but I also know that there is solid research out there that while it is clean it is um, there are challenges with its combustion And um, they're well documented and we don't have time necessarily to get into that tonight. That was not the charge um that we led with but the other thing that I would add is that One of the criticisms here is that this only would get us one or two percent toward our goals But one or two percent is is not insignificant One or two adds up pretty quickly, especially if you've got a public employee pension I mean one or two percent is good And we need to go around collecting one or two percent in every nook and cranny we can I'd frankly settle for less So, uh, that's where I'll be going with this one Thank you, council member There was a comment that was made in public comment that this is too much Oh, sorry, uh, council member combs. Did you have additional comments? council member You might be on mute. I didn't I did conclude my comments for the most part I I didn't feel the recommendations were out of hand out of the committee. I think we've been Really struggling with this one for a while So thank you very much vice mayor for moving us forward Okay, great So what I was going to say is that there was a comment in public comment Where somebody said that this was too much for too little And I think highlighting what council member Fleming just said I hesitate to think Where we would be if for decades people hadn't been saying that little reforms were too little for us to actually do it Um There's always going to be a reason to say no particularly when it comes to climate There's always going to be some obstacle that's going to require an additional public policy option We don't do things in a vacuum and I'll point out that most of the homes that this will apply to Are also going to have a solar requirement from the state And so even something as simple as adding a battery backup to it makes that home more resilient and it actually makes it More desirable particularly for young home buyers. Let me tell you I know that one We saw a few months ago Thousands of the next generation marching in the streets Demanding that people who were in a position to do something about climate change Actually get off their butts and do it and they were asking us what temporary Inconveniences we were living willing to live with to make sure that they actually had a future And what I've heard over and over again from the public is people like cooking on their gas stoves I'll tell you I can't cook on either. So I'm not a good judge But I would think that the Students who are out there in the streets wouldn't find that as a sufficient reason to not begin addressing climate change in a meaningful way This is a community that has felt the sting of climate change And it's also a community that's not going to shrink away from its responsibility Of doing our part to make sure other communities don't suffer the same fate So i'm more than happy to cast my vote today for this And move this forward in our community. So Madam city clerk if you want to call the roll Thank you vice mayor rogers. I councilmember combs I councilmember fleming I councilmember oliveris I councilmember soler councilmember tidbits All right So councilmember fleming. I believe you have a second motion Indeed. Thank you vice mayor I move a resolution of the council of the city of san aroza setting a time and place for a public hearing for the proposed adoption by reference of the 2019 california energy code california coda regulations 24 Part six all electric low rise residential reach code and way further reading of the text second Sorry, I can't I can't read your fingers 12 3 Okay, so we'll make that that change that'll be on december 3rd We've only posted for the 19th We're about to get the attorneys involved so this is about to get really complicated go ahead soon There if the if the idea is that we want to pair this up with The return of the building and fire codes the date for the building and fire codes has not yet been determined There is not an issue you could go ahead and set the public hearing for December 3rd the effect will be that this would go into effect If it's approved on the on december 3rd We'll give the city manager a few minutes to effect on january 1st, so I'd like clarification Um, I will the The the path I was going to take us down is not necessary. I think staff is supportive of Moving forward with the resolution for the public hearing to remain next week And uh, I would support that Okay, so could you repeat your motion, please? Absolutely So I move a resolution of the council of the city of san aroza setting a time for next week 11 19 and place for a public hearing for the proposed adoption by reference of the 2019 california energy code california code of regulations title 22 part 6 All electric low rise residential reach code and waive further rating of the text a second excellent Madam clerk by smear rogers. I councilmember combs I councilmember flimmy I councilmember oliveras. I councilmember soyer. I councilmember tidbits. I Thank you Thank you very much. So that passes unanimously We will move on now item 14.4 has been Moved to next week. So we'll discuss it then item 15.1 There is a Letter in your packets. Do we have any additional cards for the second public comment section? Thank you Is max Yes, it's after midnight my time and i'm going to hang up. Thank you very much for running the meeting so effectively Absolutely. You have a good one So I have maggio brian who I believe has left Brenda Seeing nobody rise Alex go ahead You'll have your three minutes Is there a timer? It should pop up on the screen I'll tell you what i'll count for you if you want while we okay great. Thanks Okay, thank you for your time. I just want to bring to your attention Again about the 5g 4g infrastructure being placed and I know we're having a study session on december 10 I look forward to another one our third one But I just want to point out that since February 14 2017 when eric mckennery a city employee came in here with a verizon representative miss canada And had you guys change your council policy and allow them to install these things wherever they wanted They haven't been really accurate with their information to you guys and that continued into the study sessions Let alone did they not tell you guys that over 60 of the 72 proposed were going to be in residential zones or next to schools Montgomery high school they had denied a cell phone tower a few years earlier And they would have gotten thousands of dollars for that cell phone tower But verizon came in a few years later and put one in front of their school And the city is getting 300 a year for that tower Without any public notification So as mayor course he said last year they they came and they ran roughshod through neighborhoods because they could And here's one of the things we're putting 5g infrastructure. We don't have a projector here I think that's kind of ironic, but Um, I just want to show you this is something that eric mckennery said last year that really Kind of rubbed me the wrong way and was not accurate when trying to squash people's fears about having these put next to their house He said People underneath the pole and it's because of the way the antennas radiate The antennas certainly radiate left and right horizontally and so ironically if you're under the pole You get less radiation than if you're a block away because it's right above your head So in no case of do they radiate low so the one Say your comments please Here's reality So Anyways, I could go on and on and 20 over 20 that have been installed so far, but they're very powerful They're very powerful right underneath the antenna. They're not 100 watts like he had told you several times They're actually those radios are each 100 watts, but there's four of them By the time they're amplified that antenna can put out 4 000 watts You'd have to be crazy to want one of these things next to your house Talk about energy efficiency too. You guys want to be a green city The carbon footprint of these things spraying not much electricity in the air So your mobile device can use a speck of it think about the carbon footprint of that No one's asking that so I hope the city attorney is privy to the recent Appeals decisions the fourth circuit ninth circuit. They give cities more. Thank you, sir And with that we are adjourned


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