To hear Does it work can someone someone check Yeah, it's loud it does. No, it's good. I just had it loud. Okay. Is it echoing? No Wow, no intro. Nope. It's good people were complaining that my interest too long Look at us awesome Why acts on discord that says like you convince them. Oh, right. No, we were going live yet Yeah, we're live. Where's Bob. Oh, or is this the dragon Bob Smith? Yes Okay Hello Bob Smith What I didn't even know Bob Smith wasn't down here. Does he have permissions to talk? Yeah, I can talk. Okay, perfect Okay, so this is a first of all I look terrible, but that's okay I Haven't been seen in a while and I didn't make my my reaction videos to the 2024 because I I've been so sick And I apologize in advance if I cough in your guys ear, but it's going to happen But there's a lot to talk about There is Okay, so I'm gonna try and I'm gonna try and do as little talking to start as possible. I'll give my reactions. Don't worry guys But one by one, I guess we'll start off with wonderland's announcement today On the whitewater Water slide It's a boomerango something like that. That's what it's called, right? That is correct It's a whitewater west boomerango all right, so Why don't you guys one by one give your thoughts on it and I'll give my thoughts All right, I'm going first. Okay. I saw this comment on the video Who has five friends? That they can go with I feel like it'll be weird because like sometimes if you're like riding whitewater, for example It has six seats and you're a group of four and then you get partnered up with two random people I feel like that'd be weird, but But other than that seems cool. I like the colors. I hope they transfer the area like make it all look good But there that's my opinion Jasmine um, I like that they themed it like to I can't remember the details right now. I'm having like midnight brain But I do like the way they've themed it I like the way they've themed it to the frontier canada type of theming and to something specific that actually ties into like You know real world stuffs or like sort of like what they're doing with the The whole Yukon Mining all of that how it kind of like Is like a fantasized version of real world stuff? And I hope that because they're mentioning in moose horn. Thanks guys Um, I hope that because they're getting into the specifics of its theming that um, that means like the area around it is going to get Spruced up with some theming as well, but I think it's a good addition to splash. I think You know It's another slide. We need it. Like I don't really have that much to say about it. I'm not that partial Like I will probably ride it when I go Um, good point though about like needing five people. Are they just going to throw you in there with strangers? If you don't have five people, is that how this is going to work? I hope not. I'm anti-social Send me alone I usually go to parks alone. So I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do, but that's a good question um But yeah, I think Overall because we do have a lot of families and stuff. It's a good addition My favorite part about it is the theming element and the hint that that means they're going to like expand on that into the water park more so yeah Zach Okay, I think the I think the theming is cool. I like I like the name. I like where the name comes from uh For me, I think if they grew if they group you people I think that's Fine to me at least because some of my favorite times in parks are being randomly grouped with people on like raft rides You kind of have to have a conversation with them now That's always kind of fun, but Yeah, I think I won't I probably won't ride it. I don't go to the water park But for people who do go to the water park. I think this is pretty big for them Ryan is Ryan is Ryan like just floated out of the ether Approaches um, I Really like this addition Also, I apologize for being in complete darkness. My house is having issues Um, I think moose horn falls is an utterly incredible name and people are complaining about like top thrills too And like what is it donny the Menacing steel iron, uh, it's iron men clear that cedar There's an entire naming team put all of their effort Yes, uh, they put all of their effort into moose horn falls. It's an incredibly Uh, the vacious name I love it. Ryan Ryan your internet is struggling where I think it's going Oh Bro it's on the eb games mcdonald's wi-fi It was fine a minute ago Uh, ryan we might have to we might have to wait till your power comes back on Bro, he does not have power until It's fine now that you've stopped talking.  We can't hear you. He's on wonderland wi-fi Oh, okay. Um, oh, this is an interesting one bob. I'll give you Ryan ryan we're gonna have to we're gonna have to mute you. Okay I'm called for Bob. Oh my god. Um, why don't you give your opinion about this water slide? Um Okay, yeah, it's uh, it's an interesting addition. It's a It's a it's a family addition to the water park I know wonderland had a lot of body slides was their most recent slide attraction that got added so it was Uh, a family attraction that was due. This is also a relatively high-paced attraction um, which is I'm untypical for wonderland's um, current slide Choices they have the two drop capsule slides. Um, that were the recent addition and now they have a zero g wall Which is typically one the highest thrills you'll get Um in a water park before you go to a full water coaster Um, and you see that they're going to be going for thieving in the water park scene Which is a trend a lot of parks actually in the industry have been going So it's going to be interesting to see how they decide to take it from here Yeah, for sure. Okay. So a lot of people are asking me who bob is I love bob. Bob Bob is a amusement insiders source In the community Well, we're at it that way. So you guys are very lucky to have bob in this This live stream right now. So if you guys have questions about the industry um not about the The rides you see in today's presentation, but yeah, if you guys have any questions for bob about industry stuff bob would be a really good person to ask some questions for so You guys are really lucky today. You guys are getting some pretty exclusive amusement insiders source activity on today's call So that's why he's named bob in here But yeah, okay. So my reaction Um, I have a couple thoughts after talking with the park today um I don't think they're fully done announcing everything for What do you call it 2024? I think there's going to be a few other things Um, obviously it looks like some of the entertainment Wonderland's a park that kind of announces entertainment closer to The opening of their season. So I do think the drone show should be a 2024 edition Um, but that I do not know um, but I think that the park Still hasn't finished and I think that's going to center around one a behemoth paint job And two a wild beast refurbishment by gravity group um, so those would be my um, those would be my honest 2024 What's coming predictions? I am The reason I don't think wonderland announced wild beast is I don't think people care And maybe we can get your guys's thoughts on that But do you think if wonderland was like hey, by the way, we're refurbishing all of wild beast Do you think the media in canada would have like, you know in america people were kind of excited for that? I almost thought that that would kind of like be a negative Thing for wonderland to admit here like the media here would pick that up and be like wait So you're telling us you have to refurbish Your entire like wooden coaster from like scratch essentially and two would the guests actually care So like what are your guys's thoughts on that because I think they I think the guests here wouldn't care at all I feel like It would be kind of like what you're saying with the news and it would be like This means that all wooden coasters are unsafe because they have to fix it and that's totally how it would go I feel like from a guest perspective. Yeah, I doubt they'd really care either Well, wonderland has kind of built this rep like um have kind of created this reputation for canadiens That wooden coasters every wooden coaster in the world sucks and that is The reputation wooden coasters have here because of wonderland. So I doubt people would care really Yeah Um, the other thing and I think a lot of you if you go back and look wonderland has a history of building Just a water park addition before a big coaster So, um, you already know that I've told you guys that wonderland's getting a massive coaster in 2025 We've been saying that for over a year now So I think this is the if you were to if you're one of the people who truly don't like to believe what I have to say Um, I think this is your this is your proof right here This is another trend that wonderland typically does is their water park investment and then a big coaster So for those that may still have doubt that 2025 is a big coaster for wonderland I would say that what you saw announced today is your final like What do you call it proof for 2025 would you agree jasmine? I think so. I mean Um to answer the first question as far as like would people care. I feel like only if you could if it was enough of, uh Refurb slash redo of some sort that you could bill it as like a new version Then yeah, they'd care. They'd be like, oh something new to ride But if it's just getting like a really solid refurb and retract that it's needed for some time I don't think they would care and I agree. I think it would be best not to mention it because it's very like Gossipy news cycle around there that I think you guys are right. They would pick up on and be like me me This ride was unsafe and here's what people are now saying may or may not have happened last season or whatever, right? Which you know, we don't need so I think if they're not announcing it and they are doing it Then it's you know, probably for the best But I it would be cool if they were doing like a whole new new version someone in this chat was saying son of beast That would be awesome But I don't think we would be getting that and a major addition again right after so I think it makes more sense that They're announcing splash as the like main thing because it is kind of the main thing as far as what they're going to advertise Um, what was the next question? I forgot. I've lost my train of thought Um, it was about wild beast and then about the Water park addition before a massive coaster like wonderland's track record. Oh, yes Yeah, they they like to do that on like a downstream Which is funny because we were complaining that they haven't done it in so long But I think they were on like a flat ride binge in a retheming of frontier canada binge for a while But it makes sense that they'd be back to that cycle of like, okay, just throw in a water slide Um, but splash does need it. So I think that's why I kind of like didn't feel like it at first But now that you mentioned it, I was like, oh, that's true Um, also like it is just a rendering but like Hello, these look like florida flowers. Like how is wonderland gonna plant all this like Do you see that look at the bench? You see the bench? Yeah. Well, you know wonderland's not actually gonna put that there. It's gonna be a rock Um, and we'll sit on that. I mean, it'll look like that for about one week in the spring I hope it looks like that. Um, they've already started construction guys. So I have a construction update for you guys Coming tonight or tomorrow morning depending on when the sun's Um, I'll get that edited for you. But yeah, they dug ground on the water slide already Well, they started digging ground on the water slide Um, and then you know what sucks though, you know, what really upsets me about this is One like the dark ride like where is this dark ride like There was someone high up at wonderland that left and It was the uconn striker media day and they told us Like essentially all I've already told this story so many times they told us everything that was coming and they told us about Action theater and they're like you're gonna see that develop into a dark ride and it's going to be like really soon um, they told us about you know, um lazy bear lodge that came true um And and the focus and everything they said came true. But this dark ride an action theater So it's just like has that actually been buried like because now I'm really starting to think that that was a plan and kovit killed it I think it's time for you to let go of this. No I'm just saying you listen You could say you predict a dark ride enough years and it's going to happen eventually you'll get it right at some point But I I I do honestly feel like that this is a plan that has been shelved Sorry, I didn't hear anything you said I'm getting I'm getting I'm just being I'm being petty. I don't Uh, I refuse to let go of it though because I'll even like just to picture like a sally dark ride like a good sally adult Like you know shooting dark ride that works, you know, no shade to wonder mountains guardian um, but low-key wonderland about to bulldoze that because um, I don't know if anyone can help me here. I'm having trouble finding zombies 4d on the haunt website I have a theory because of that I have a theory because of exactly that I think you so you mentioned I don't know if it was like a few months back now It was a little while ago that that building basically like needs to be condemned that like between the you know critter infestations and the you know alleged alleged critter infestation And uh, you know some other Issues going on with it, you know alleged maybe Mold maybe other things that it just was not in good shape and it would at the time I think you were saying like it probably needs a full Like rehaul or what are the what do they call it when they tear down the whole inside and rebuild the whole thing? um But maybe they just decided it's actually more More sensible and gives them more options to just tear it down completely and go ground up with the dark ride Maybe it's still on the table, but they had to push it farther down the budget because they're now making a bigger plan That's true And you know with with the the plan that we saw our potential plan that we saw of a whole re theme Little like mining town area around white water It would make sense that that would follow maybe shortly after and tie into the theming and stuff So that was kind of what I was Tinkering with and then when you said that just now i'm like, yep So bob hello, how are you? Hello? I thought this would be a great opportunity for you to tell my viewers how a park like canada's wonderland Since we have because so basically to introduce the topic that I want to talk about is i'm confused Okay, and i'll explain why i'm confused Typically i've had it really easy when it comes to predicting what's coming next at wonderland So easy that you know last year for example The only survey markings that existed were in the planet snoopy um railroad coaster area and the tundra twister area So to predict what we were getting in 2023 I was like these two areas are going to get investments and what i'm hearing in the You know, you know the the the pipeline bob Is this and that Now we have a park that has survey markings on wild beast In medfair in alpine in world expo in frontier canada and in planet snoopy And action zone actually um so predicting What the hell wonderland is working on is gotten impossible because i don't know a location um figuring out what survey markings are for flat rides and a coaster is next to impossible because the entire circumference of a Survey area keyword is extremely difficult because some of these survey areas are the entire area like action zone So and frontier canada so it's it's really difficult. So I think it would be perfect For you to explain how a park like canada's wonderland that is surveying so much Goes about using those surveying areas Maybe you can describe it better than I just did um to do what they're going to do like how What are they about to do with those areas that they've surveyed and the process in that? Yeah, so uh, I'll go with the entire Basically attraction acquiring um system that is kind of in place for the amusement industry um So typically when parks are planning out whether it's their next year attraction If they have a smaller budget It's usually a year in advance if it's a larger budget They'll be doing it two three years down the line They'll be going up to different vendors say they're looking for a dark ride They'll go up to all the different dark ride vendors and they'll be like hey, I'm looking for a dark ride And it's going to be in this general area um if What they see this company is offering is some somewhere down the line of what they're interested in They'll provide the company with a CAD file Which is all those survey markings for a specific area that just outlines this area and all the restrictions in set areas And they'll hand it off to the company and they'll be like show me what you can do here Sell it to me because they're they're asking it's it's a proposal. They're asking them to sell them the ride um Then that will go back to whatever company they're going out for it If it's for a coaster will go out to the coaster companies They'll come back with a general layout of what they think Should go in that area and then If wonderland likes what they see they'll go back to the company and be like I like this part of the ride I don't like this or you're cutting too close to this building. I don't like it Or can we spice it up on this part of the ride? um And then they'll be doing it back and forth they'll go to multiple companies and do this like at no point Are they guaranteed any attraction? um And then once they see the absolute perfect attraction, they'll go in and they'll negotiate a contract with that um That company that's usually about a year or two before it gets built um Yeah, um That being said What it looks like and why it's so hard for your 2025 Predictions is they're surveying the entire park So it sounds like wonderland actually has a lot of options where they can put these different rides And they don't quite know where they want it yet Because they've been putting all this money and all this expansion up into frontier canada And maybe they're like, okay frontier cana's gotten all love. Maybe we want to put it somewhere else But they don't quite know where yet.  We have two or three locations around the park that we've recently surveyed Here's the CAD files. Can you throw something up mock something up for us in this location? And we will um And we'll get back to you on if we like it or not So in the survey you recently saw you saw three options Which is part of the artwork that they would have gotten back from the companies saying hey This is the area you gave us This is what we think would work well here Um Of course, there's more details that they didn't release like full proper layouts or different features or elements Maybe something that's unique that might not be in the industry because if you're so cedar fair specifically wonderland has a good reputation with b&m So if you get into a book of having a really good reputation with the company sometimes they'll give you exclusive things That aren't anywhere close to being public That their competitors don't know and that competing parks don't even know and they'll be like If you want this you will be the first in the world to have this And that's what I think may have happened with b&m because they hid 95 of their rides in there um And that's and we know cedar fair has a really good reputation with b&m So that's something that you see in that stage So now that's wonderland has it. They know that they want a family attraction And that's why they have such a good wooden coaster example in that survey But they got this really nice option of a feature that might not exist somewhere else Maybe with b&m And since they don't actually know what they need to do that's where you saw that survey coming But once they figure it out and they're more set on it They'll lock down with one supplier and they'll iron out the details And that's when production will start and construction would start Yeah, I actually have a feeling that we might see more surveys come out with different concepts and different Storylines for those same areas that they were surveying for I hope so Because I feel like I know what they're going to go with but I hope they changed the theme on it Yeah, okay. So because it gets a little more confusing. So because More markings i'm going to show you guys in my construction update have appeared for the wing coaster in fact The markings that almost make it sound like they're about to start construction We have points of interest added to the surveying area and points of interest I don't know if you can touch on that bob at all Are really interesting because that's when they're starting to get a little more concrete So in their CAD file, you were saying if they're surveying area a point of interest is essentially like what you were just saying Some things are going to go here like usually a footing They have like a marked footing area or this is a specific thing that the ride needs to avoid So that started to appear in the wing coaster area But on top of that they're teasing in frontier canada And we haven't seen a dry park announcement for frontier canada and I don't have any rumored Um 2024 additions for frontier canada, so I don't even have anything coming down through the rumor mill and I want to touch on something and I don't want to um I was ranting in discord like three days ago. Do you remember this uh jake? Where I was like For the first year ever I had no idea. I was like normally I know in the park, but yeah Oh, yeah, I was like I normally know the additions like three to four weeks ahead of time And I knew the water park one and if you guys remember I was even ranting in a video about this I know the water park one But my my typical people I go to know nothing about anything in the dry park And I'm really and this is where I you know, maybe I was getting a little greedy I was like there's got to be something in the dry park, you know My my obsession with this dark ride and action theater. I'm like, you know I'm asking everyone I know all my normal people. I'm like the public places I go to to get some information And there's nothing so I'm panicking. I'm like is this going to be the year where I actually Don't know what's coming and funny enough. It ends up being just the water slide. So that's why that's why No one had any information So far as we know Yeah, well the other the other thing I know about behemoth But I don't consider that an addition I don't know are we so desperate for a paint job that we're going to consider that an addition at this point Absolutely not Unless like it's like a full Reath the like a reef but that's not gonna happen Um, and then the other thing is uh wild beast Um, now that's not even confirmed. We don't know the exact year that's happening We can confirm now with the amount of spray paint on wild beast's supports and the infield of the ride with the orange Um Oh, you're out lagging there brendan I cut out didn't I got a phone call one second. Yeah, I want to go down the crazy skeptic train Or crazy idea train Oh, I like that So I've I've have this thought in my head That maybe wonderland doesn't announce a 2024 edition because they're not opening it in their regular season What if they're doing a dark ride that can work in winterfest and they want to open it for winterfest? To get those tickets sales season Yeah, to get those ticket sales back to winterfest where we know they're struggling a little boosted. That's a very interesting thought I could very well see that They wouldn't want like if they were to launch it now ever would I would go and do it in the summer And then they would have no reason to go to winterfest my winterfest source Which was right about the extended they told me about the extended season now They over exaggerated it by a week, but that happens a lot and wonderland also could maybe not have fully made up their mind about the extending two weeks into january They told me that the new editions for winterfest my hair is such a mess. Um Are potentially ice skating on whitewater canyon Um with the forest all decorated at nights and a toboggan hill So those would be the additions that wonderland are and they were just looking at these by the way They were they didn't buy these yet. I hope it doesn't break any whitewater Stuff because whitewater is awesome. No, no, I wouldn't break any whitewater stuff. They would just use like the um Essentially the the thing and they would just freeze the uh, whatever you call the the basin with ice Yeah But those were the winterfest additions that wonderland was looking at for this season um I was told That's all for now. That's what I was told by wonderland. That's how they worded it. So take take that as you will I don't know if that's like a little like that's all for now or that's like that's all like, you know I mean, but what I was told is that's all for now I think we're just spoiled and used to not having like a small edition kind of season um like without anything, you know in the the dry park in the In the rides department, but I don't know. I I don't think Like you said, I don't think wild beast is out of the picture. I think they're just not considering it Like something they're going to advertise. I think you might be right on that Yeah, the for the wild beast thing is Canadians in general. I think think Wooden coasters are extremely rough Just like that's like the end of the sentence people who ride wooden roller coasters in canada Which is or like have only been to wonder that and have been on wooden rides They only think wow those rides suck because they're made of wood But in reality, there's a bunch of amazing wooden rides They just don't know So if they were to advertise something being good, they would just think it's going to be rough Just like it is now like how could you make that better? So I guess maybe they could be looking at Wild beast getting a proper retrac as a bridge to something with mind buster in the future Another because if people see like oh, this is good now. What happened? And then you advertise a new wooden coaster like brand new state of the art. They might you know Be headed in the right direction yeah, uh another thing that I just thought of is They typically announce ride removals In like september or october So they could do that and then also announce Beast at the same time to make it be like hey, we're moving this but we're making this better Something like that if they were to remove a ride not saying they are So another thing I was told by the park is that a lot of information is still coming in and that there will be further information released down the road But that was in reference to Like everything that wasn't in reference to rides. So Um, I basically how it sounded was there's a lot going on at wonderland and they too are still learning things That's the gist of things that I was gathering from that conversation Interesting Yeah, sorry guys people are saying welcome back. I know I've been gone a really long time and there's been hardly any content coming out of my end But thanks to jasmine and um Jake for filling in there was the channel would have had nothing at all But yeah, so definitely support their videos just as much Please I know I'll my channel is mainly construction updates, which sometimes makes it I'll post like a video about haunt and it'll get like only a thousand views or there'll be like a video about like the history or something Um, if you guys could support like all the kinds of videos that really helps the channel as well and helps create that community Um that I'm trying to go for Um, so let's move on to dorney park and then we can come back to I love this one dorney park so people Yeah, people. Yeah people know People who talk to me know I've been very excited for this I've been very Very excited for this Um I don't care if I don't care how the layout is I'm happy it ended up being a good layout But to me it's so cool that a park of this size is finally getting something new It has a pretty cool theme. It has a much a matching haunt Um attraction with it as well, which is so cool Um that will continue to extend the theme of the ride Um, I think the name is the name is all right, but The theme is cool. The layout is cool 95 degree drop awesome B&M bringing back their incline to loop as well. That is awesome. I don't think you've seen one of those from them in ages I think since like floorless coasters, maybe Something like that. Yeah, um, so very cool. I'm super happy with this When I first saw it, I thought it was sorry No, go ahead. You go when I first thought I thought it was uconn striker And then after the mid course is the end of the ride literally four inversions and you're done That's the first thing that I thought of I mean, it's a mini dive. So yeah, it's like more like emperor and then uconn is a normal size or large size Yeah, the another thing that I found cool um, if you watch the pov the The hold chain is the same as the lift chain I just wonder if that's going to cause stress on the lift motor or something No, they could hear you. It's just you're not talking Maybe because when you got the call No, because that's a different microphone Can you hear me now? Yes, you can I think right? Yes The mic was set to zero for some reason. Yeah, they can hear me again Yeah, um, jake is worth noting as well Yeah, b&m has have already done this before with other dive coasters like as ryan said in chat All of them that don't have a turn use the same chain. Oh, okay, and it's fine for them. So Okay, it looks really fun Oh Like I mean that's pretty much my review. It looks really fun. I think it's a perfect fit for dorney. Um, and Yeah, this I don't love the colors But that's only because like it like you were saying it looks like uconn But other than that Another thing is it takes away hershey park's ability to get a dive Yeah, or they'll just go to bigger park. It's like a giga dive And also, um, great adventure, right? Yeah, great because they are like right right next door Um great venture is I think they're gonna announce something massive I think great adventure is about to blow it out of the water It's gonna be big. I'm I'm pretty sure and there's like it's not just gonna be This this ride. It's something they have other stuff like don't forget about there I think was wasn't it their raft ride or some kind of water ride they closed for refurbishment for Their anniversary as well. Like they have several stuff that they are Doing with this This is gonna be pretty big for that park too Whatever their announcement is So that's exciting. Okay.  You just said it's cool Yeah, yeah, but just to add on I think that they're peppering the dives kind of strategically Because you guys were mentioning that like certain parks can't get that now, but I agree with you I think they have other things lined up for those parks I'm I'm glad that it's not like the old days where they used to clone something and then every single park we get So a couple things I like about this ride one I like that they're incorporating it with haunt But also what I don't like about that is it has a whole obsolete area for the entire season Like if you look at this rendering, there's the haunt maze back there What's it doing during the season like, you know, I mean um Secondly The flyer is there I what I really hate and this is this is what I really hate Cedar fair when it comes to choosing colors for a lot of their flat rides Right before this new takeover. So cedar fair now Is perfect in my opinion like look at that. Look at this new ride and look at all the building choices and the theming I think it's stunning. It's great. It has a storyline And then and then there's a flyer those little what are they they're called those snapping flyers and it It literally is an eye sword to the area And I hate that about the old cedar fair Mixing in with the new cedar fair like look at frontier canada You know frontier canada and then you have they built lazy bear lodge right next to skyhawk And then skyhawk's like this ugly piece of crap that looks like it's from the mall in Toronto that has rides in it Um And then winds that's right in the park windseeker is okay But it fits in with skyhawk and then you have this slingshot And I hate it because you build the this most beautiful restaurant In the chain and then you have it sitting next to some of the ugliest rides in the park And I just wish I totally agree with that texture It's bothering me now seeing new cedar fair mixing with old cedar fair And what I like though is they're showing change with world expo And I hope they're about to erase actions on with that like bulldoze it Yeah, I think what they're doing is sort of what sets Like the high end. Sorry if you're hearing noises, it's my dog It's sort of what sets the high end Um theme parks like disney universal those like big name ones apart from other parks, which is instead of And this is also to do with the making the investors happy and stuff But instead of retheming everything in that area when you put the ride in if that's what needs to be done Like going blue sky with it Um, they will say okay Well, we'll put it in the plans that when the paint needs to be redone on this Then we'll redo it then you know in three to five years or whatever And they'll do it when the paint needs to be redone and then it'll probably match the area down the road But that's not the same thing as what like, you know, it's happening at like Epcot right now Where they're like we want to put in this new Moana Walkthrough attraction and then they walled off like an entire gigantic area of the park and they're like redo it And same thing with universal you'll walk in there having not been in a few months And there will be you know an entire stretch of area that's like repainted or something or like New buildings up that you didn't see before or whatever and they'll just commit to Just doing it and it's not even like You know how right now we're talking about okay the budget for next year whatever It's just like an ongoing thing That I think they need to kind of take more of that approach if they really want to theme rides to this level Because it does kind of look silly to walk up to something like this and then you turn like 45 degrees this way and you're looking at Yeah, a fairground ride That's not themed at all I think the what ryan says in chat does bring up a very good point. The flyers may be re-themed That's that's what the pr guy said for the park So There you go And also those buildings back there are likely washrooms for the themed area as well Which is really nice because if I remember correctly, I don't think there are any washrooms in that area of the park I've only been once I don't remember but That's cool. Anya and another thing ryan said that's very true is that in the permits There was more theming. So what you see in this in the animation and in this Picture on the top of the screen. That's not all the theming. There will be likely more Yeah, it was the same with ucon. The washrooms already exist. Okay, ryan Yeah, so then those are just the washrooms Re-themed with ucon. They It didn't look like a whole lot of theming, but it's more than what was in the animation. Yeah Anything else did everyone talk on this did bob bob. Do you have any thoughts on the dive coaster for dory park? I think it's a great addition I think it's actually really gonna be really well themed To the point of having the eyesore in the themed area Yes, they will eventually get a new coat of paint on it. That's most parks have to repaint stuff eventually but Unlike universal or disney the budget for theming coming from cedar fair is not going to be the same What are you talking about? We have 500 million dollars to drop on new coasters You have 500 million then whatever universal has will double that Right Oh, yeah, I was not trying to suggest they spend the same kind of money I just you know, they've been talking about wanting to be more theme park like so drawing comparisons They're they're they're in the never-ending battle of you always have to add new attractions to draw and guests to rebuy the season pass and buy tickets But you also have to Start theming your old areas if you want to become that theme park Which gets those tick tock like i'm in a different universe when i'm here type of vibes And I it's a challenge because You want to spend your three four million dollar budget 10 million dollar budget on that But if you're spending your 10 million dollar budget on a new ride, you can't spend it refaming everything else So again another point to wonderland just spent under a million dollars on the water side And nothing else for that investment next year. So that leaves their whatever budget they had of say 10 million dollars For new attractions to revamping everything else retheming everything else adding the VIP areas And that's that's what you'll need to get rid of these eyesores is you'll need a year where you don't get that New attraction, but you take the money for a new attraction and you throw it at everything else I hope this has you combines From the animation it did have bins on the right platform I think you've all Broken about this. Yeah, it's ugly floor though. Um, no i'm kidding Um, bob, did you have anything to do with this coaster? Just question. I'm kidding This one no It will have the faster floor like dr. Diapocal but gobbles What's the faster floor? Um, it only has two combs in the front And oh and third row don't have combs And you have another b&m to build up that relationship Oh, do we have to talk about this ugly thing?  I love family boomerangs They are so much fun to ride I'm so mad about it no, okay, because I actually hurt i've and this this is what scares me now I'm so worried because if carolins gets this too Because I had heard I I if you remember my video I said carolins and kings island are about to get snoopy's racing railway I didn't know years, but they were next in line for snoopy's racing railway Um, so I assumed they were going to get our snoopy's racing railway Because why not you think that they would The they would use the same ip and the same thing and blah blah blah, but no They get a vakoma boomerang while we get a canadian or whatever. No, it's not canadian, but we get we get a I can't even say his yeah I can't even say the reason we got it though because there's connections We got that I still love it. I still it's cute But we could have had this and I bet you they're gonna let adults ride this Are they gonna let adults ride this because it will 100% will there? I don't think there's any family boomerang that does not let adults ride Yeah, well because it's a family ride. Not a kid. It is a family coaster. Yes. That's not a kid coaster No, because wonderland gets the short end of no I'm at the my ranch shop shop for a second because no because this is stupid Like honestly, no, this is actually getting frustrating because I swear to god if carolins Announces a mock double launch spinning coaster and we're gonna get a wing coaster that launches out of the mountain does three inversions And then it hits the break run.  I don't even care I don't care anymore And I know that people are getting angry with me for being upset over getting b&ms But if your park Was all b&ms and we're not talking old gen b&ms that actually pull forces We're talking new gen b&ms that are literally borderline family coasters. Okay No, because honestly guys, listen to me for a second. Listen to me for a second Asuri is about to post the funniest thing on his instagram. I don't know if he did it yet He took a photo of yukon striker at a random point in it and he's about to ask people Is this a wing coaster or dive coaster and it is opened such a great conversation Because a wing coaster is yukon striker without a drop and a launch instead That is what we're about to get We're about to get yukon striker with a launch And it is so frustrating to me because our park needs something more diverse And if wonderland doesn't see it wonderland needs to go to my tiktok and go to my video Where are my youtube video and everyone is starting to comment on the fact that wonderland keeps getting the same rides You are wonderland.  You are and I know this is going to cause some riff raff or some Roughness, but you need to be a little more open to criticism right now. Okay.   You know damn well that mountain would burst up in flames.  You know that where is our cool rides? Where is our innovation? Like they're like, yeah Leviathan's been really cool. And you know what wonderland?  Leviathan really fast really tall really menacing. It's doing well You have two slower bnms. Okay, because behemoth is slower in the final draw And it's been there for a while people are bored People are very bored I am bored out of my mind at that park and I I didn't used to like thrilling rides. Okay, you guys saw my reaction on the intimate multi launch at bush gardens Williamsburg It looked like I hadn't been on a coaster in my life But I thought to add to this rant. Okay. Yeah, you take over because I won't end I feel like you're getting a little red in the face. I just I'm gonna give you a breath So I think wonderland I don't want to say like Needs to bring in some like younger blood in the decision-making circle But I think they don't necessarily understand new generations and what millennial parents and young gen X parents are like because Even the youngest kids that I know I have a really big family Even the youngest kids that I know don't want to go on the like soft, you know, babying you kiddy rides like We these new generations coming up are like They don't mess around. These are some like high-thrill kids and you know gentle parenting Is not I think what I don't know. I just think like generationally They're also not understanding what the upcoming markets want as far as that category of family coasters and you know I don't want to say necessarily kiddie coasters like kiddie coasters still have to be kiddie coasters to an l to a degree, right? They're certain like Checkmarks they they they're certain boxes. They have to check off but I just think like people don't want these slow moving rides and that's kind of where this like Frustration and rent is coming from with the constant b&m editions is they all have that same general feel to them Like I get the same sort of pushback when I complain about this too It's like not every b&m is the same like you can't say this is different isn't this from from this and Blah blah blah whatever and we can argue that till we're blue in the face But you cannot deny that like you said not counting the old generation b&ms I could get on any like b&m hyper pretty much anywhere in the world And it's going to have a similar feel to it I could get on Any dive Anywhere that they exist the b&m dive and they're going to have a similar feel to it and furthermore All of those b&m models have that similar sort of like b&m signature feel to it I don't know how to explain it other than it's more of like a floaty feel It's not as intense and then you get on any intimate in the world and you're going to immediately feel the difference Ride through the all those different types of b&ms and then get on any intimate in the world and you're going to be like Whoa, this is a different beast That's the point here is like they can't just keep throwing out the same thing again and again It's like to the point where I have been on family coasters actual family coasters recently that are more forceful than b&ms actual family coasters They are marketed as family coasters They have the height of family coasters and they are more forceful than b&ms I think that this rant wouldn't exist if wonderland were to keep the three b&ms They have right now and build a gci as their next coaster Like if a and not a family gci mystic timbers like Like oh like even take out the mock double launch extreme spinner Okay, maybe wonderland doesn't want the the that many parts on a train right now.  Okay The water slide right here It's exists down the street It it literally I'm just curious wet and wild Um but so for So if you guys have any red pen that real quick like we only meant dry rides Um, can you can like for anyone in this this chat right now? Like have you guys been to king's island like in the the chat youtube chat? Have you been to king's island because king's island is the most well-rounded park i've ever been to It's perfect and the fact that they're adding Something like this to their collection like that park It's going places king's island and on the stockholders call They talked about king's island being one of the top performers this season in the cedar fair chain in terms of year over year growth And there's a reason for that and wonderland was reported on the stockholders call as one of the worst parks for year over year growth Obviously the wildfires did play a part Obviously the weather has played a part, but for anyone that went to the park in july You could tell that things were a little off. It seemed really Dead like we're talking walk-ons at night. Things have changed. They have gotten better August seems to be doing pretty fairly well I mean there was a pretty bad rainstorm today and wonderland held a pretty decent crowd And then yesterday it was like the busiest anyone has ever seen wonderland So obviously wonderland's made a change. They've offered cheaper tickets the season pass sale I think is going to do really well And they've done cedar fair has done a really great job at changing the all season or the free fast lane for a day To five single use fast lanes that you can't use all on the same day So it forces someone to come five additional days for the rest of the year Anyone who studies business an amazing decision on cedar fair's part to do that because they've just guaranteed anyone getting a season pass for 2024 Is going to come visit five more times Which is a really high number For visitation on a season pass. I think the old number jasmine correct me if wrong you used to work for wonderland The average guest visit was two to three times back in the day. Was it not? The season pass has typically and again if anybody else knows more recent numbers than me correct me but From my day it would typically hover like people would come just enough to get their monies for And then you'd have like crazies like me that would come constantly and kind of throw the stats a bit But generally speaking the average person getting a season pass is getting their monies worth and then probably forgetting about it Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are a little angry by our rants on wonderland. Do like, okay I I don't know. I'm reading up a little bit. I wasn't paying attention while I was ranting because I was fuming But are okay like honest opinion you guys say how you feel right now. Are you guys happy with wonderland's lineup? like truthfully answer No Like in chat too. Like are you are you guys? Are you guys happy with wonderland's? Uh Okay, maybe I was misreading it. I don't think he knows Okay, guys, we're getting a few people saying they like bnm's and I don't have anything against bnm's I just don't think we need to park full of them No, it's me bnm's out there Okay, oh, okay. I was I guess I was totally you know, there's a common trend with me over analyzing This blasé boring that's such a little fancy way of wording it Let's go. I want to go have tea with that person. Um, I did see I don't want to ignore it Joseph has said that they are changing the theme of the flyers. So thank you for correcting that Um, but this is a beautiful area and I see wonderland's 3d printer is going to be put to use for this ride Anyone see that? Up there on the top of the little those characters. Yeah I don't know if maybe they're going to buy one for king's island But I can't see cedar for buying a that industrial size 3d printer for all their parks when they can just boat one to use Wonderland's going to make the other parks pay them for it and make a little extra Yeah, it would be weird for cedar fair to want to do it based on a wonderland Just because getting it across the border is the whole other thing It would complicate it might be cheaper, but I don't know I doubt it Yeah Oh, maybe they are buying them for all the cedar fair parks, but I was told that wonderland It was exclusive to wonderland, but I've been told a lot of things. It probably depends how expensive it is I don't really know what those kind of like I mean, obviously, they're not cheap industrial ones, especially But I don't really know how that would play out like what would be more cost effective to deal with the cross border stuff or to Put another one in this in at least one of the u.s parks They'll probably do one on either side of the border is my guess Yeah, that would make the most sense for them in my opinion I have something I really want to say Say it Okay This is I think I'm not 100 100 sure, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time cedar fair is working with new gen vakoma and This could potentially put a lot of stuff on the menu for what parks could get You want to talk about getting a forceful launch coaster?  I don't let hope exist at wonderland anymore. You're not allowed talking about hope You know what we're getting over the next five. You know what? You know what? You know what? No, everyone loves these videos. No, let me talk for a second. Zach. Let me talk for a second I'm making my I'm making my 10 year prediction video for Canada's wonderland right now You know what we're getting in 2025 You know what you're going to see the word gci pop on the screen and then this is going to be the Smallest gci you've ever seen and they're going to say And they're going to say you need a kid to ride it Okay, and then that means And then and then three years from then you know what we're getting you know We're going to get a launched wing coaster And you know what they're going to do they're going to give us three inversions on it And then king's island is going to get a five inversion launched wing coaster A year later and then okay three years after that, you know what we're getting you know what we're getting The surf coaster In world expo And that that's our 10 year production video right there. There you are. There you guys are so anyone expiring in the next 10 years. There's Exciting times ahead And then we're going to get up for that. We're going to get the the new b&m family coaster the sea world is getting Oh my goodness wonderland Stop I know seriously I need to I this is all jokes by the way Everything I'm about to say wonderland if you're in here right now is jokes I would not actually do this, but I'm breaking into their hq And I'm strapping myself to a desk and going on a hunger strike until they stop their partnership with b&m Well, if we're doing that, I think we should turn it into a general enthusiast strike We should all choose a ride that needs to be removed strap ourselves to them and just you know list our demands Okay, but Think of it for a second the amount of models suffocoma has Like in their shop like the amount of things that is have just opened up the cedar fair It's the changing title for me. We're wonderland rants right now. You you still believe in the tooth fairy. Don't you zack? Yes, I do Yeah, and then a clause. Yeah, I used to be like you remember my video last year mock double launch extreme spinner Coming to wonderland in 2025 Launch extreme spinner and I'm not seeing at wonderland. Okay. I'm just saying other cedar fair parks can now get this This is big for the smaller parks because vocoma is not super expensive You're assuming all family boomerangs are are like pretty nice. They could be using this as a test and It's vocomas deal to lose right potentially Potentially this opens up the menu. Yeah, but or if they they can completely mess up doing this ride and then That just burns average. Yeah, like how intimate messed up with Gotham city escape. That thing is down half the day every day Okay, can I talk about something because there was there was a comment I saw about how there was someone saying that the reason b&m's are good is because for families and reliability And that wonderland is a point, but I'm going to tell you right now Okay, and anyone that works in the industry now stay silent on this Um, I'm telling you right now b&m's are not as reliable as they used to be Dive coasters more specifically Yukon is on the top of the list not quite the top, but it's in the top four attractions at wonderland at the most downtime this season Um allegedly So they b&m's ain't so you know perfect either In fact the ever since A certain someone took over at b&m things seem to have gone in slightly downhill That's just my little allegedly rant You know what you know, you get that spf visa You're gonna get a spinner. That's the spinner. You got it. You know what? You know what? I could see wonderland building that in the basement of the mountain and calling it a new coaster Not even the extended one. It's just It's the one that's in Ottawa I I do think b&m's reputation has been burned this year Greatly with cedar fair because that negative publicity that went to gp From certain rides that were b&m's is gonna look really bad Um And I do think that You might see a pause on b&m's to cedar fair The only reason you saw announcements is that was a done deal for a while Okay, but maybe maybe after that you might not see it because that bridge might have gotten burned by certain situations Yes, the company b&m handled that situation well But that's still really bad publicity So i'll touch on that actually and everything i'm about to say is alleged. Okay This is extreme. I will say that what happened uh at fury allegedly in my opinion um So for those of you I like this is the one area that I actually know my shit On talking about and I know Exactly what's going on with fury and you're going to see this a lot more on b&m's So b&m has been using a weld a specific weld design on their supports similar to the one that cracked on fury And a lot of welders in the industry are actually talking now about this weld job that b&m has been doing on that specific design on those supports And it's extremely weak Apparently it's got like a huge flaw and that specific design where they overlap and it's so thin There's such a thin weld job that it's open. It's susceptible to cracks like that so often now Obviously it is on carolyn's maintenance department for not catching it so long um But uh, you're gonna see a lot of the b&m's with very thin weld jobs on supports like that and also b&m choosing to do An inward support where they should have done an outward support Um in specific areas like it's almost like a really poor design And that is what I've been hearing in the industry from welders and construction workers and construction companies So for me, um That that seems like a you know back in the day we used to be like, oh, how did intamin miss that? How did intamin design that so poorly? Why did they have to redo the jojo roll on maverick? That's such a bad thing. Oh my god. Why how did they design? Um a lift hill on their log ride at cedar point without anti rollbacks. How did they? um Mess up i305 at king's dominion and you know rmc too. How did how did but here? We are b&m is messing up their support columns with really poor weld jobs Um in the connecting parts of the support Yeah, and the uh, that's the key switches you remember good point and thank goodness. This is not just b&m Um, I was told that most coasters nowadays would actually have been able to survive What happened to fury 325 most coasters are over designed in their support structure For that exact thing now what you really want to think is that that didn't happen to the lift hill Because there is one part on a roller coaster that can't survive a mistake like that and it's the lift hill Yikes The lift hill doesn't take a lot of forces Yes, yes, thank goodness. Let's just hope they check the lift hill But I think Brendan with what you're saying if I mean, and I'm sure that is true Which is given the nature of the incident But given all of that information, um I think bob's point is completely on track that like they Because think about how much that's going to cost them at every single one of their parks to now double check All of the b&m's they're going to bring in engineering firms. Um, you know, and I don't know what kind of Like that's going to cost them a lot to fix it obviously on that one and any other ones that they That they detect a similar issue on or a similar area of strain Um, like I don't I don't know what those kinds of jobs run, but I imagine they're not cheap Um, so they're probably going to think twice before Seeing some proof that b&m has changed their the flaws in their design in future installations before they you know Accept another bid from them Yeah, exactly. That's the that's the type of mistake that manufacturers make that will End um years long relationship Um, and we'll make that the customer in this case the parks reconsider Going with them and when it was a obvious solution I will always go with you and then you just cost me Half a million dollars on repairs on every single one of my rides for you And I know you're not covering that I can tell you Be an um, maybe they covered half the cost, but I don't think they covered the entire cost of that replacement Or they might just cover it on fury because that one actually And that could also depend on depend on timing in their contract and stuff, right? Also, maybe just the cost of the support but not the installation and then the testing and all that so from my Opinion On situations like that typically It will be a Playing a blame game of who's to blame Um, and b&m will just come back and they'll be like this was supposed to be checked on your regular maintenance If this was caught in your regular maintenance, it would have been catastrophic The only reason you're replacing the support now is because You didn't catch it in your regular maintenance if you were doing it as per our specification It wouldn't have happened And I can almost guarantee you that's the response that came up. It would have been a lot more polite than that But that would have been the gist. Yeah Maybe having those b&m reps in that third party agency come out would have been at b&m's cost Just to show good faith to keep them as a customer But no, the entire support column replacement would have been done by cedar fair And you probably And you probably will be seeing a service bulletin going out for all other b&ms that use the support structure Saying hey, do you now have to do an extra step every whatever maintenance period to check on it? Oh, and they do wonderland has cherry pickers parked next to all their b&ms So yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if you see a lot of welding going on On these support beams or even seeing supports getting replaced on other b&ms in the off season Um, is there any other news like I we know that great adventures about to announce something crazy Um, I I suspect I suspect it's gonna be insane. Like it's a front gate coaster. Their teasers have been really cool I like the image they posted a front gate and they're like, oh, something's missing I was like, oh, yeah wonderland's front gate Brandon when when are they expected to make this announcement ryan said something about tomorrow Is it tomorrow? ryan and chat this for 2025 or 2024 2024 great adventure Didn't they just get like A new ride in 2021. How is six fives getting this tomorrow on tiktok? Interesting. Oh, yeah, that's right. They did say it was gonna be on tiktok. Oh my god. They're gonna do a dance Come right our giga They ain't gonna call it a giga No way I should reach out to my connections. I kind of want to know what it is now Yeah, can you and then slide into my dm so I can make a video before tomorrow morning Um, I don't know my my connections are probably asleep at this point Um Oh wait, uh, but can you message me about Splish it Sploosh do do I think you probably know as much as I know about that Wait, wait, wait, wait, maybe not maybe not check snap Okay prestige pass. Yes. Oh, yes. I'm gonna be right back All right I think Oh, yeah, prestige. It'll be terrible Oh, sorry The pass will be fine in terms of the Uh, the vip areas. I think those will be terrible It it'll be like a tent with a couple chairs and if you're lucky you'll get a coach But then everybody's gonna be want to sitting on the coach Yeah, I feel like wonderland doesn't understand the vip thing in general from what I've heard Um, okay, so I had a good conversation about prestige today with someone from wonderland that would know um They don't know Um, they're still waiting on information about about um Some of the stuff like vip areas um, so yeah But okay in their defense, okay Like that sounds like an insult and it was meant to be a funny insult there But in their defense to designing a vip area, I've seen the one that's at cedar point It's really tense like giant tent areas with couches in them and fans And then you get free snacks and we're talking tiny like Like we're talking like little chocolate bars and like bags of chips But not even like your you know the little bags of chips. We're talking like smaller versions of those and water bottles And that's your vip area. So don't expect anything crazy They wouldn't do drinks because they want you to buy the drink plan Yeah, so you get water. I think there's I can't remember there might have been pop actually thing but or juice boxes or something I don't know You do get preferred parking and 20 off merch instead of 15 if that's oh ryan wants to join powers back mind if I join Oh, yeah ryan you can join now Guaranteed shade that's I that is how they're getting you with it Literally dollars for some extra shade That ain't right. They need to put extra shade in the whole house and the The whole park. I just want to see all areas should be shaded with the way the the um heat sort of situation is going this summer and Trajectory is showing that it will be going in future summers They need to put more shade in the park Yeah, it probably be a couple rocks because everybody's sitting on a rocks. I wonder then couple rocks Not even benches. I'll give you guys my honest predictions about where they're gonna be I think the the patio out back to Market put not market put is that what it is? Oswell hall? Oswell hall um, I think back lot cafe the patio area back there will be one um the little building Um, if it's not back lot cafe, it'll be the little building. Um next to extreme sky flyer That's the winter fest bar usually. I think that'll be one Wait, I'm muted Again, wait, hello Wait No, you're good. He's not muted. Wait. What can't hear you He's good. Oh No, I key switches.  Okay Right jasmine. Can you confirm that a season pass for disney? For for a parcel. Is there how much is that? I know it's a lot The it depends which one you get so I got one with blackout dates mine was somewhere between six and 700 But if you get the one with no blackout dates, I want to say it was like 12 maybe around there They're very expensive and it's just kind of funny that they're doing this because and that you mentioned disney because disney Did something really similar recently where they in universal are kind of back and forth at each other all the time, right? So universal has really good pass holder perks. They have like pass holder lounges You can get like special items at certain restaurants that are just for pass holders special drinks stuff like that Anyway, so disney's like we're going to do pass holder lounges, huh? And they announced this whole thing. They like make a big deal of it on social media I went to the pass holder lounge at epcot and it's literally like an existing seating area by like living with the land If you if anyone has ever been in the land pavilion It's like a big open like cafeteria style area and they've like roped off this little corner of it Right by the line to a ride So like you're sitting there with your free water bottle and like bag of I don't know cashews or something And there's people in line like right beside you. It's like not quiet It's not even that air conditioned because the line is right beside you There's so many like bodies right there and it's just like they're just doing the bare minimum to try to justify the crazy price hikes in the In the season passes and you know, especially like you were saying that the higher tier ones With the more perks, but it's like you have to you have to do more than that like Universal is the only one that's kind of doing it right in my opinion Like giving a lot of perks giving a lot of reasons to want to sort of like be a part of that Pass holder community They're not giving me as far as wonderland goes. They're not giving me any reason to upgrade my pass for those perks like yeah I would rather just go sit in an air conditioned restaurant for a few minutes or something So I won't be getting the prestige pass and I'm going to tell you guys why okay. It'll be a mini rant um Previously wonderland tried a platinum pass holder separate entrance at the park If you had applied and pass, you know for the first two hours of the day You got your little or like entrance into the park. So guys there was miss wording in their advertisement We all assume when they said two hours um early entrance They mean they're gonna have your specific VIP entrance for the first two hours of the day And then after that it's not going to be there Um, so I already know that doesn't mean you're going to get to enter through kingswood guys kingswood's a construction site You ain't going to get to enter through there We're thinking yeah, it was a typo on the website the ert is for all pass holders. Yeah, so wonderland did confirm to me um That uh all pass holders with the ert and splash works early entry. It's not just for prestige um, and um The other thing is the benefits really aren't worth it. Truthfully um You're seeing most of us and okay. I I really hope this doesn't make me sound just tasteful. I Oh, I feel like this is gonna make me sound ignorant I feel like most of us get all season fast lane Oh God just tried to help me right now. It was like no no sir. We're gonna shut you up by moving your camera I feel like I feel like most of us get all season fast lane. Is that is that is that wrong? We're probably getting it for next year.  Single you skip the lines when you got your membership set six flags from what I remember Oh, I have absolutely no idea I thought it was five. That's what Like what the diamond elite plan or something whatever it's called the most highest one you get five I think I have the gold one Six flags is one two. Okay, so maybe I was wrong about that Oh, okay, so seems like cedar fair is taking a little page out of six flags is booked them with this prestige and I'll show extreme plan Wait, why is there a heart icon right there? uh Okay, um weird. I have this weird heart icon now On my streaming software. I don't know what that does. Let's not press it. So I don't end the stream um Yeah, so Nicholas, I agree like I was doing the math and I was just like I think I'm okay with a gold pass Fully loaded.  Can you get it for me? Ah Oh, I see we're saying some slushies Okay, but in full honesty, it's goes from like 35 dollars to like 49 dollars Which is actually a really good deal because then you get I don't understand So you know hot chocolate and hot chocolate. So I don't understand cedar fair's thinking behind this because Okay, well first of all, this is where I think cedar fair is crazy Because their drink plans in my opinion are already way too cheap And I hope that doesn't make me sound distasteful too, but 35 dollars 34 99 you get all season drinks every 15 minutes That's that's like you can't find that anywhere In terms of your pricing power point and then now you're gonna offer is it 45 99 for the drink plan plus 49 99 45 or 49 49 99 and you're gonna get free slushies and hot chocolate and pop Like you got pop with the yeah, no, but what I'm saying is like, how are they earning any money on that? Can you imagine? This is why I'm not getting it because I never get an icy at wonderland I'm already struggling with my weight on the daily basis.  So can you imagine me at the end of the season? All this time I'm like fighting with my weight and then literally at the end of 2024 I'm gonna be like too big to go on roller coasters 2025 comes out. Yeah, sir. He is gonna be pushing me around in my wheelchair and I'm like guys the drink plan and plus is so worth it Bread Yeah Taking people out I get to win seeker hill and my motor just gives out I just go down the hill like full force rolling back This is not the rollback I wanted Wow, yeah But I'm just like I am unbelievably confused With the new pass system. I just so happened to upgrade to platinum pass at the Other worst time possible Um So with the new all-parks passport, I have no idea how this works it like I get all season fast lane Uh, does it now go up if I add the all-park passport on? It's confusing. Give me a favor I just want to put in a request. I would love if like tomorrow during operating hours You could call wonderland and like record the call And ask them all these questions and I just want you to then have brennan posted on the channel I think that would be a golden conversation We've already run into problems So I was told by wonderland today that your 2024 benefits on your pass work this year for the first time ever And that was told by someone high up at wonderland We tried we tried it So we went to go get a slushie on surya's prestige pass that he bought, you know He went up to go get a slushie and they were like, what do you mean? So already there's no communication And there was no button I do have it in writing. I don't even know what a prestige Okay, we need to pursue this asa. Yeah, so, um, we're gonna try again tomorrow um Can you email or text or whatever it is and be like, this is what your boss says What is your opinion on the basement of wonder mountain becoming a vip area? What are you gonna do hang out in the haunt maze? The construction site for our boring wing coaster Do you think california's great america will stay open after the retheme? What retheme? Guys, I don't think california's great america is going to be rethemed I think it's being rethemed to an amazon warehouse I will be there sunday and story but true.  Yeah, that's what i'm thinking with the millennium There you go ryan. That's exactly what it is. That is what it is. You're gonna be getting a 10th You're gonna be spending 299 to get into a 10 Okay, but like 20 percent off I just don't understand how they can say That they're trying to move towards being more of like an immersive theme park and then put like a party city tents up Call it a vip area. Like that makes no sense to me. It's very important. Okay This tent incredible tent Like they never said what they're themeing to like come on True For the new circle swing coaster I'm sorry. Somebody said I hope you get an icebreaker clone. That thing is actually intense Uh, I have heard that I have heard it's intense, isn't it? Not in my experience. We're supposed to be a family coaster. It's a icebreaker. Oh, yeah Guys, I'm it has more ejector air time than anything at wonderland Yeah, did we talk about wild beast? No, we did not Not like briefly. Yeah, we didn't really get into detail though. Yeah, you mentioned it Okay. Oh, yeah, I think I did talk a little bit about how If something more is coming for 2024 a wild beast gravity group refurb is probably all it's at um And I know guys and you know what it's really hypocritical for what I'm about to say Like extremely hypocritical. This is coming from the guy that wanted a mock double launch extreme spinner in frontier canada um And you know what I'm holding out.  It's going to be a gravity group at most and there's even a chance it could be in house Okay You're giving me a nightmare by saying that Like take those words put it into a little bottle and just Yeah, it has nothing to do with the whole rmc working in canada is just Wonderland's not gonna work with rmc guys and everything being marked on wild beast Is showing signs that it's a direct work on the structure that already exists Like that certain support columns are staying Um that certain parts of the ride are going to be demolished and rebuilt I know that still sounds like rmc, but trust me. It's a gravity group. It's a boring gravity group I'm making it sound worse than it is. It's gonna be awesome if it is But it's just your typical gravity group renovation that has already happened in the chain and has received great feedback I'm sorry. I need to comment on this because the arm's not working in canada thing is ridiculous I have ridden over rmc track in the lovely sarcasm province of montrealt nav kebek monster has rmc track on it Literally it has had rmc track on it for a while rmc can work in canada this entire yes Yes, and no Yes, and no, I know the full details of it. So rmc can oversee Work in canada It cannot work in canada But i'm saying is rmc stuff can be put into canada. It is literally a monster Yeah, yes, but to a certain extent every time rmc is mentioned in any of these streams every single stream We have to say this I'm sorry. This person called the rmc track on monster lipstick on a pig. I love that But but also you really think wonderland's gonna build an rmc while beast in 2024 without announcing it as the main attraction For 2024 season passes and then build a 2025 roller coaster Like guys like sometimes like Like you and this is what bothered me too. I saw so many comments that were like wonderland needed a coaster in 2024 If you're paying attention, I know that some of you aren't gonna believe what I have to say about what's coming But like I've already been telling you that 2025 is the coaster year and I'm promising you that 2025 is the coaster year There's no it. There's no error there at 2025 is our coaster year Which means that like you are not going to see what you're gonna see. What is he looking at? No, I'm just trying to see where wonderland could fit an rmc, but I I think the map's a bit outdated but You see that like with that big like water over there like Close to italian job, you know For people who can't see the text because that's small. This is a 2006 wonderland Yeah, so like you see like that big body of water next to italian jobs dun track. Yeah, it's like that My parade's in that map It is a nicolodian parade. It's on the right side of the map Hey I don't know it should be rmc, but it won't be that's all I know You guys You should bring it in and try and you still use it It'll be like we have to detach it from your however many year old map Oh Zach look at this What's up, didn't you make this for me? Oh, yeah, sorry. It was delayed on stream. Yeah, I did. Oh, okay. I was like did I it's just someone because that's awkward if someone else made that No, I made that. Yeah I saw it. I was like awesome. It's there um But yeah, um, is there anything else I'm missing talking about Yes, good gravy at holiday world Good gravy. I love this ride. This ride looks awesome. I love the theme G will occurs The g will occurs. I love a good gravy The train is uh, it's like a gravy boat I love family boomerangs. There's so much Brendan listen when you ride this thing I know it's a clone delayo, but when you ride this thing at king's island eventually You're gonna see the light.  I'm not hating on the family boomerang I'm hating on the goddamn theme Okay, hear me out. You know how her she parked but the The sent up the sent a sniffer things in jolly rancher remix uh Good gravy The station smells like the gravy then you go through that can of cranberry sauce. You got the cranberry scent This sounds so american whitewash to me that like I I cannot Like I can't get behind it like And I do not mean to sound controversial on this podcast. I'm sorry, but like really Really, I get it. It's holiday world. It's themed to holidays. Okay. I'm probably missing that whole aspect in my But good gravy Did you see the announcement? Did you see the announcement like everyone was no because no this is where I ran number eight today Rant number eight. You and theusias confuse me sometimes You'll see you'll see uconn striker Okay, our little intro video was cool with the eagle flying and then it's going up the mountain and then Track is appearing and all that and then the americans are like, oh, I could have been better I thought like I just uh, you know, it's just not my cup of tea You know you con striker tallest longest out in back layout on the dive coaster Like what were they thinking and then a park like holiday world is like good All gravy granny is you got to help her go to the kitchen and get her gravy blah blah blah and everyone's like This ride is themed to having a nice Thanksgiving dinner with your family I'm sorry if you didn't have very good family experiences growing up But this ride is for those of us who did no, no, it's funny. Ryan. No, no, it's funny. I I forgot that rides who were themed to holidays. I just thought they themed the coaster to gravy for no reason That's even better That's even better. I just thought they themed the gravy for no reason No, and it has like the gravy ground in it to the kids playground baked into the area and Oh Can you imagine the merch? You know what it reminds me a little bit of is how like in some ways knots doesn't take itself too seriously Like you'll go into knots and you'll go into one of their stores and you can buy like a real rubber chicken Like it's not taking itself seriously in that same way, which I kind of like They have they already have good gravy merch. They have good gravy posters They're beautiful I love it. Isn't it aren't they getting um What's that company that makes uh, like all these park posters? Yeah, is it one of those? Yeah, yeah, I'm pulling it up. Yeah, it looks awesome My favorite thing is just the headlines about it gravy themed coaster coming to india Just the headline gravy This is everything, okay like I love this gotta give them props their marketing worked No I can't you know what you're so cool. We just don't like gravy I can't get behind that You don't like urban house for me. That's what really does it. That's the best part I love I just love how the trains are like gravy boats. Why is my webcam struggling out of nowhere? I didn't even do anything Put your hand up It's usual appearance I'm sorry, I just jacked my I just jacked my uh discourage. Yeah, then I got a message from jacob saying Who is bob smith? I'm bob smith My first name is bob and my last name is smith. That's So your name is bob smith Yeah, okay Brendan's camera right now You know what I'm strapped Why why Brendan react? I'm doing that y'all just can't tell I think I fixed it Um holiday world's always good fratting coasters Oh, you are biased you are biased. I call bs right now Go look at their lineup and you'll see why I say that No, you know I I will forever say that and they'll keep adding to the great coaster lineup Whether it's in the water park or not if you think about this question This is actually an amazing addition to their lineup because their lineup is like kitty coaster And they're just like insane wooden coasters and there's nothing in between And now they got granny's old gravy boat. Yeah, well the poster is actually iconic No, you know what you know what I'm about to say. I do not believe in I am just mocking this, okay But my mother is a she she's gone down this rabbit hole But I think this coaster plays into that whole conspiracy theory where you know, people think that the The um the democrats are kidnapping children in their kids ride and putting them into little gravy And then drinking them To keep them younger So this is this is why this is why this coaster's got a whole bad No Not gravy they think the democrats are like vampires or something And then yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was saying, you know instead of you know They put the kids in the gravy and the whole vampire thing. Yeah Is it they're gonna start saying that like they got like locked in No, I mind the only one Did anybody else see this man physically rolling on the floor Not Not people joining not people literally joining in this moment that i'm talking about vampires And good old gravy This is what happens to amusement insiders once we pass 1 a.m It's not brandon's fault. He lives with a conspiracy theorist. He's just extra informed now on what people are believing Welcome to amusement insiders after dark people Listen, I find the conspiracies highly entertaining Um, and I guess if it keeps less kids from going on it then more space for us That's on chemtrail We need a chemtrail coaster. That's what we need Let's do a whole theme park that's themed to conspiracy theories. It could be Can we just talk about how like the six flags fiesta, texas teasers are all made in microsoft powerpoint What have you no no, okay Look at look at like the newest one for example. This is literally a preset on powerpoint Oh, my goodness. You're right.  They are literally microsoft powerpoint presets And what about it? I need the best screenshot ever Oh my goodness. This is going in vcd. This is the best thing i've ever seen Oh You know what ryan, I hope the democrats get you in those gravy boats I already have That explains a lot What else is there that like Yeah, we have missed from announcements for their like and next year. I know As far as europe goes europea park have announced their new coaster which we knew about for like the past year So that's cool On the topic On the topic of europea park's new coaster. It sounds Like they announced the car. Where is this thing's name again? It is Yeah, no, but it's voltron something or other. It's because it's a sponsor Yeah, it's like a right to happiness is right to happiness by tomorrowland. I'll find it. I'll find it I'm nearly there Yeah Voltron revera nevera the new Chevy voltron nevera It kind of works so, um, and yeah, energylandia Have delayed their new themed area suites valley to 2024 and I think that's all there is for european That's been so far. No one cares about the european parks. Okay I'm just trying to inform the enthusiast This is an amer- uh real american theme park pod jazz. I am I am a I'm an a and w root beer blooded Canadian here This isn't an american. No, I'm not an american channel. Do you not remember I got cancelled My channel used to cover all the american parks and then I spoke out against trump And every single american coaster that was when I learned the american coaster community is heavily trump So I got cancelled so hard and I was told to like go away and disappear So that's what I thought of the community though. The disney part of the community is like this weird other Of course Because the republicans tried to get rid of disney, didn't they? Kind of I mean just ronda santis. He's And one of the point about that is that he got married at disney. So I think if he really just wants to control it But I love how disney fought back with like the disney pride night uh-huh That was iconic But just so y'all know you guys can vote for whoever you want to vote for that's not me saying anything I just I heavily spoke out previously and yeah, that's what I was just touching on Um, I think the crazies are just the loudest ones. I think that's all it is Um, oh, uh, yeah, I can give you predict. Okay. So I know I I Oh, it was jake. Okay. Um haunt this year. I leaked things didn't I on my story. Did you guys? Um patreons got actual photos Hey everyone, this is where you should follow and music insiders on instagram if you aren't already Let me go. Let me go get some stuff for you guys I can't show you guys photos But I can tell you um, so it does look already like oh did my post not post It did it's this one, right? Oh, yeah, but my patreon post Don't forget guys patreon.com slash means than insiders or whatever it is. No, it didn't Oh I did it at wonderland. It must have been because I had no wi-fi. Okay. Let me go to photos quickly One. They know somebody Just ask thoughts on little day We might have no thoughts Opinions on trudeau brendan. I can't give my opinions on trudeau.  I I don't think either the left nor right or fans of him. So That's true. That's true. Everyone hates him. Okay. So kingdom of carnage will be making a comeback um this year the uh dia Dia I am gonna butcher this. You can cancel me on the comments below. Dia de los moritos is um that um kind of latin If I'm making you feel it muertos. Yeah. Oh day of the dead A day of the dead is making a return. How are you trying to pronounce that? Okay, we don't need to drag me right now. Okay. It's my center side is like It's dia de los muertos um Trick or treat is now trick or treat street Um, I had heard I had heard rumors that wonderland was gonna change it up a bit Um, because there were some weird. Yeah, I'm not gonna go into it Um, as well as clip that by the way him pronouncing that neck This one's weird. Necropolis Um is new my assumption is this is either Nec Necropolis Necropolis Necropolis What is that? Okay Yo, what is that? What is that the necropolis? Okay, what is that? No, no, no, no Necropolis It's a tomb, isn't it? Yes.  Thank you to corkscrew folly for Also clip that Ancient grease tombs. Oh, okay. So that's probably going in the basement of the mountain Um, that would make sense. Yeah, that's cool So um dark ride obviously you guys know about that Um, and that is it. So there was supposed to be one more There was supposed to be a fourth So basically what we were told is they were bringing back four additional mazes one was going to be new dark ride Um, and the others were going to be returning, but it looks like they got two new mazes Um, and just added um an old Um kingdom of carnage Um, bro, that's what I can't wait to not do any of them What what bothers me is cedar wonderland used to do the haunted house to tease their new additions And they would have the haunted houses would be mailboxes So you knew and then the other ones would be like, yeah, so this is going to be the first year where everything is a face Um, just to see i'm dropping tea right now guys.  So it's been really hard for me to figure out what's a scare zone and what's a house Um, so these have all been I know dark ride is a house Um, necropolis. Um, I don't know if that's a house or a scare zone. That's the one that could go either way Stop that man. It's one word. It's necropolis It's necropolis I love that so much Bro sounds like he's trying to say nail polish like oh my gosh The basement brady the basement is always open at haunt. Um Dark ride is not going to be guardian dark ride is a haunted house at front gate in that steel building It's themed to as if you're on a dark ride that broke down.  We're going to get at wonderland Right. Um, and then next year pumpkin eater will be at haunt. So we stole that one from knots as well I mean, I've heard knots has really really good haunt attractions. So Yeah, so I'm glad that we're stealing theirs Um But yeah, um, that's all I know for haunt. I know that, um That there were there was supposed to be a new scare zone Um, to better fit in with tundra twister. Um, that has been canceled It was supposed it was called mass acres. It was supposed to be themed to like a mining farm village Um That was cursed or something like that and it's um, it's been removed Wait, what on earth is a mining farm village? Mine Right and people are asking if the Lives are coming back if this will be regular again like it was a few weeks ago Um, it will okay. So my biggest problem is one Okay, so truthfully, there is something wrong with me medically. I don't know what it is yet Um, I got what I thought was a flu And then I thought it was covet and I tested negative for covet. So then I didn't get better It was I was sick for like a week and I was taking a lot of time off work So I was like, okay. I got obviously I go to the doctor um And everything was a symptom of covet like my my leg pains. I couldn't get out of bed. My legs hurt And then everything went away all all my covet symptoms went away and it turned into like a really bad lung infection I still have it and My my lymph nodes get so swollen And it's not getting better and my doctor Is a horrible person and refuses to understand that I I'm struggling with something and refuses to give me antibiotics I hope your doctor is watching this right now. I hope so too. Um And she tested me for strep. She tested me for covet. She tested me for and everything was coming back negative So she can't give me antibiotics that part. I understand until they know it's actually wrong But another friend of mine that I got sick got antibiotics right away And they're getting better And here I am with a chronic cough that will not change in its severity um, if I laugh Or if I talk too much And it's annoying I'll get it randomly when I'm trying to sleep where I'll cough for like 30 minutes straight And I feel like I'm about to cough up blood And it's not going away and I don't know what else to do And I also have other symptoms that are tmi that will not go away either that are starting to become concerning So I clearly have something But I'm not getting people sick anymore and I've been told I can go out about my regular day and that I'm no longer contagious because I've crossed well over that Period, but I don't feel better um, so Yeah, are you telling me this is why it looks like you're in a hospital room? Yes, this is I'm in an insane asylum. They were nice enough to um To give me my old podcast things and make me feel like I'm still doing things But yeah, that's why the channels dropped off the face the earth and thankfully for jasmine and jake that there's still content But I'm coming back. Don't worry. I'm just I guess I'm just gonna have to live with whatever I have right now I've been back to work And everything and I'm telling you right now.  I used to not sweat I could wear sweaters at summer and I wouldn't sweat a drop Ever since I got this sickness. I sweat Right now I am sweating in an air conditioned house um, so Yeah, yes, but like, um, I don't know what's wrong with me. Something's clearly wrong and I dropped a lot of weight too So So wonderland infected you because they didn't want you to catch the construction that's starting Yeah, so, you know the one thing I'll give my mom. She's a conspiracy theorist and all that and she's very against vaccines and all that She actually nursed me back to health with all natural remedies And now I'm on probiotics because she thinks I might have like a an auto immune Um thing, so I'll have to go get checked out for that um, but probiotics she put me on probiotics and vitamin c pills and zinc pills and all this stuff and Um, when she started doing that to me that was when I started feeling better and would have been able to go to wonderland again Need some of those 16 dollar wonderland hot dogs Yeah, but I whatever I eat doesn't stand me so I'm I'm like dying, but it's okay Dying, but it's okay Somebody had asked if the bear in the background has a name and I I say that if it doesn't have a name yet We should name it paul is a necropolis I actually I agree with that All the bear that is paul the bear Sorry, brennan. It's too late. We've named it.  Yeah, so after you croak can I have the channel? Absolutely not Um, what are we missing anything before we wrap up? Uh, should we bring in patrons or patrons if any of them are still awake at the beautiful time of 1 30 a.m In the morning. Yeah, sure. Do if anyone wants to join come and ask a question You were talking haunt. I was talking haunt and then I started talking about being sick Yeah, did that actually happen?  I'm not screening people Wait, oh, I don't know how to do that. Yeah, Zach. That's that's that's gotta be you I'm not sleeping while louise actually I've been going to bed at like 4 30 in the morning and waking up at 8 in the morning for work Yeah, so I I like how the first four messages we have are not too nervous saying my brother in christ. It is 126 in the morning Hmm I say we just keep I say we just keep the the stream going into the early hours of the morning and absolutely not. I have laundry have to do for work I mean technically it already is That's true. This is gone this and almost two hours guys Uh, ryan, who's the man behind you? Yeah, I'll go back in vc after this Oh Like we all agree now the the puller bear behind brendan is named paul, right? I think that's a permanent thing now Yeah, that's like sorry brendan. You're stuck with this. Oh, I know why I was talking about it Someone had asked if this was going to be a regular thing and we I wasn't talking about honk guys I got gas lit.  I think is what he's saying. Yeah, like tonight for example if we tried to do this last night I was coughing so much that I couldn't even breathe like I was actually about to go to the Like the the walk-in hospital to just like I'm like I'm so desperate for antibiotics right now um There's clearly like what it feels like to me like if I were to honestly like figure out There's something in my lungs like a fluid and my body's trying to get it out because when I cough I can feel And it's not phlegm because you cough up phlegm Um, there's fluid. I feel fluid that I'm trying to get out And my lymph nodes is that fluid as well when they're inflamed. It's like fluid I have no idea what a lymph node and my left ear feels like it is infected Which I've heard could be fluid So whatever it is it feels like fluid which to me that sounds like a sinus infection. Does it not? But that's just me But that that means yeah, that's just me I would go see a random doctor and be like my doctor is incompetent. Please help me Yeah Or lie and be like I don't have a doctor. What are you talking about? So Just get those meds. Do I forgot bob was here? Yeah, I was gonna say whenever I have those issues, I just go to a walk-in and they'll give me And I buy audits within like five minutes to walking in. Yeah, say your doctor's on vacation or something They can't neglect you I'm gonna find brennan's doctor and tell him that his patient is talking smack about him behind his back You know what though? Um the the vox pneumonia my mom brought me a point So I had pericarditis and when you get pericarditis because it infects your heart sac Um You're susceptible to pneumonia and I was always told if I ever got pneumonia it would feel like Worse than what pneumonia actually feels like because you become susceptible to pneumonia And the symptoms become worse. So it would actually make sense that it's probably Sorry, so you can pronounce pneumonia and whatever the other thing is, but you can't pronounce necropolis Necropolis I'm so sorry. Was that in everyone's ear? It was my friend Necropolis Necropolis Necropolis probably used to go to like a walk-in honestly Yeah, I'm gonna go in again just because I I work in the restaurant industry As a manager and it doesn't sound healthy when you can hear this cough in the back room through the whole store Well, if you get one of those people that's like, I want to speak to your manager they'll regret it It would be pretty funny though you could start like Chain reaction virus among all of the carons that was spread to other carons and eventually you could eliminate them Well, my mom got what I have and it's it's slaughtering her too and I know my mom Yeah, and my mom took care of me when I had covet because I got it really bad the first time And she never got it and she handled it like a boss, but this whatever this was She dying too It's coming for the carons Um, but yeah, I feel like I'm ranting about non coaster stuff So anything else before we wrap up and then go talk about you know our hair up in vc Uh, what else what other oh mountain olympus announced I'm boring don't care. Um, okay Man olympus, okay They trademarked the name Icarus and I thought it was gonna be a drop tower and then after I was like wait What do I want to ride a drop tower at mount olympus?  The the leviathan in the jar. Can you show everyone that in here? jar Personally do not say in my jar that implies something that implies You don't know brendan That implies a lot Which I would not put past ryan interesting Do not say that but It's an vintage protective display case. Is this not the coolest thing ever guys wait. Can you hold it glare? It's because the back wall is a mirror. So oh, this is that is the coolest thing ever. Let me see. I have an idea Okay Oh my god, oh, it is so cool That is very cool to be fair You're giving us like the michael bay angles right now I feel like i'm watching like a No, I'm trick.  Can you show the verb? The oh verb ulti bolt That one's so good Look at that. He builds those guys From the hobby store.  Here's my new ones slide of fear is so cool. Play of fear is really good Yeah, I'd say verb olden and Loch Ness monster is some of my best work Very talented Um, I guess that's it guys Like let's let's end it here on the high note two hours in and you know You heard me rants like eight times and then talk about my personal life Rants are fun We ran more about b&m Um anybody else want to get out any rants about b&m before we end well if we're going on rants here about coast manufacturers Yes Maybe next time I was gonna say don't don't don't say too much there Uh, but if we're talking about parks and executives I can rant about I like that idea. No, don't get me cancelled Please get him. No The drop Ryan are you good boring and boring and mundane boring and mild preferably but Oh man, all righty, I'll be in discord Everybody I'm gonna drop the discord ring in in chat See you guys in the voice channel. Good night gamers.