You have been saying that. How many should we, how many of you drinking? How many of you drink? How much do you drink? Well, I had three quarters of a bottle of Jack when I started and now it's down to a quarter, so I have less than a quarter, I think. I've drank almost all of the bottle of room. How much, how big was this bottle? One percent. What percentage is it? I respect your ability to stay somewhat sober. It was a bottle of, oh it was one liter. Not bad. Not bad, but it was over the course of seven hours. So. What percentage is it? What, Captain Morgan's? 75 percent, that's how much. No, it's 35 percent. So half of what Rags's lie was. Wait, what? I laughed before I realized what was happening. 35 percent, that's what I was drinking a liter of. That's, that's quite a lot actually.  I'm a parking lot. Yeah, hopefully we are live with a new thumbnail, a new link. I really hope this doesn't add on to the previous one. That'll be really embarrassing. Oh, are we live right now? Are we live currently? I said that already and you guys look. Oh, we are live. All right. Are we live? This is the time. What do we all face, this gentleman? I wish you'd made that clearer or I wouldn't have said so many slurs.  Well, because before we actually came online, Jay and I were discussing if there was a, you know, what it would take to repeal the Emancipation Proclamation. Is that the musical? Well, I think once you get, once you get control of the Supreme Court, I think you're, you're quits in. Don't you think the Supreme Court is a pretty vain name for them? It's like with a Supreme Court. The Supreme Court. For me, I prefer the food court. Why can't we just call them the court? Also, is there another court? I don't think so. No, I think we. The big court. The big boy court. No, I'd like to go to a massive court. Above that and like the ultimate court or something. Is McCourt the best court? The court. The court. You know, while we're waiting for everybody to come back and prepare for this amazing thing that we're doing, I guess I'll set up us looking at some of the memes that have come in. Oh, yes. Give me a sec. Sausage radar. Sausage radar. Yeah, we'll get to it. Jason, start with your over-exaggerative exaggerations. All right. I desperately need to see sausage radar. We're going to get to it. I still have the TLJ script up as well. Figuring out why everything is terrible. You're not longer than we have on this map. I'm not seeing a stream up. You're not seeing a stream? Well, the chat is saying it's up. Well, if there's a chat, it's probably up. I mean, I believe the chat more than I believe you. Oh, hello. I see it now. We also have a meme video, but we will address the meme video once we're done with the video we're currently on. Okay. Never. And yeah, it has archived EFAP 40, so this should be 41 now. Hopefully everything works that way. I never know. Anyway, yeah, this is when you take a second. We got some memes that not everyone here will get. Don't worry, Shad. If you're confused by this, it'll only take a second and you'll... I'm confused very easily and it doesn't... Oh, no, Shad. Look out. Ah, duck. Hold on to your books. Oh, and just, I guess, if I were for everyone, I got kids in the background. So if you need kids screaming, that's just mind. Don't worry. They're killing each other. Oh, we won't. We won't worry. That's the problem. It just sorts itself out, right? I just realized that Wolf didn't love and I was like, something's wrong. I was like, oh, he's muted. There's no way Wolf wouldn't love this. Wolf would always laugh at the prospect of a dead child. No, that's not what this is. Wait, what? Yeah, he would. Okay, we'll have... Wolf, why are you not here?  Is he getting another burger? Another burger to pile on top of the other two burgers and a pizza? At this point...  We're at the point where... Come on, Wolf, we need you. I like to think those two statements weren't related. The duo of true evil. Who made that? Can you swing off it, though? I know. We got the sausage raider. I hope there's a patch for that.  Okay, what's this?  Wolf, Wolf, go to the... Wolf, scroll up, Wolf. Is that Lyra Croft in a saucy? A duo of true evil. Oh, my God, we're making this for that reaction. There we go. Oh, this is bull, bull memes. The Dunslayer's gonna run it. It's even lore-friendly. What is this? That's Medea with the gauntlet and a rolling pin? Or rolling... What do you call those? A rolling pin. That was correct the first time. How did it feel? Well, I wasn't wrong for the first time in my life. I like the idea of a film where Rags and the Dawn hang out. I want to see it. So is Medea the villain here, or is there something else going on? Rags, you would not. You reckon? She got the Infinity Gauntlet? Isn't that the E-Fap Gauntlet? She's wearing the one from that previous piece of fan art that we had, remember? Wait, the one with the... All of our profile pictures on it, as the stones. I can't remember if it was that. It had features from all of E-Fap and stuff. Either way, it is time to see Beowyn's creation. Oh, my God! Sausage Raiders and the Adventures of Pipe Man. Good God, that's the stuff of nightmares right there. Oh, the weird folds in its body. This is horrible, but I like Blessed Pipe Man as a pipe. It's gorgeous and disgusting at the same time. It's terrifying and incredible at the same time. It's delicious and nutritious. I don't think that's delicious. Yeah, I don't know if I'd go that far, Rags. You're a weird man. What? Nothing. So, um, yeah, we've got to make sure the pipe man sees that at some point, I suppose. Either way, that's it for bonus meme round. Back to the video, right? Is everyone here? Chat, are you here? Yeah, I'm here. Beautiful.   I should only take us like three more minutes.  Okay, easy map on Mario Kart. The Endgame doesn't qualify here because this Thanos isn't the same one who killed Half the Universe. So that's a limitation on Endgame's part and the topic for another day. The last Jedi, meanwhile, features an emotional confrontation where Luke finally redeems his failure. Not emotional. How does he redeem his failure? Okay, so this is the whole problem in concepts. Like, first of all, we have to identify that it was a failure. Secondly, how is it that this theoretical failure was even redeemed? You know what I mean? We're stuck at every single part of this assumption. You could just as easily argue that Kylo failed to listen to the teachings of Luke as a JDM master. And failed to redeem himself in the moment where he could have. Everyone failed.  Yes. Emotional. So emotional. Another day. The last Jedi, meanwhile, features an emotional confrontation where Luke finally redeems his failure and saves everyone. Failure is the greatest teacher, as Yoda said. And this final showdown ties into the theme of the movie. I don't know, nailing it the first time is probably pretty good. That's your opinion. How does Luke save everyone? Because I'm pretty sure like dozens, if not hundreds of rebel fighters got killed during all of them. The good guys don't even understand what Luke is doing. And then luckily for them, Rey happens to pick up all the stones in the back. Like, if that hadn't happened, everything that Luke did would have been totally pointless. And like, how does he even know what the situation is on Crate when he rocks up? You know what would have been really awkward? Is if everyone piles into the Falcon, they lift off and then it cuts two hucks on the ship. He goes, they're trying to escape. Keep track of them with our hyperspace tracker that we have very much established. And then they come out of hyperspace all cheering that they've made it. And then the first order entirely surround them and they kill them. Maybe that's going to be episode nine. Episode nine begins with like, oh my God. More, you've got this whole thing wrong. They're not tracking for smaller ships, remember? Almost like you're suggesting that they can hyperspace the Falcon in and out of the space chase. And they can carry almost like a hundred people on the Falcon, meaning they need four trips to save everybody on the ship. I don't know. That's not, that's kind of clumsy on the big screen though.  It's like we're being chased by the first all there's nothing we can do. Oh, we can just ferry them out on the Falcon one by one. Okay, we got that ship, remember? That we've established. Not even just the Falcon. Remember, Ray, not Ray. Rose and Finn do it on that little transport ship. They could probably fit a good 20 people on there at least. Yeah. Ray does his part though. It's important. Like, they jump in. Ray gets out in her escape pod and she goes into the, you know, flagship of the first order.  We don't even know what that thing is or how much it can hold. Like, who knows? Yeah, but they're not tracking for small ships. So it's okay. You can do all that stuff. That is possibly one of the worst throwaway lines ever.  She took Snoke's escape ship. You're like, oh. Oh, just lying around? Oh, okay. Like, right over there? Oh. Very convenient. Can someone explain to me what a declocan scan is?  A declocan scan? It's called DeepNude. It's a new app. Nice. We did talk about this the other day.  You're like, this scan will prevent scat-immune things from being scanned. You're like, what? Why wouldn't you just do this all the time? Exactly. Forever. Just call it the scan. The scan wars. Oh, it's like anime. It's like we've created something that's immune to X. It's like, yes, but now we've created something that's X plus. Well, we've created something that's immune to X plus. It's like, oh, for fuck's sake. This is what I said to you the other day, Moe. It's insulting to anime. Anime is better. No. It's really bad anime. No, it's a perfect example of writing yourself into a corner and then trying to write yourself out of it and then writing yourself into another corner and just having to constantly do that. Corner war. Over and over. Yeah, technically. If anyone uses a cloak in Star Wars from now on, we're going to be thinking, why don't they use a cloak instead of the black ones?  Exactly. What even is a cloak in the context of Star Wars? Like, when I think about cloaking devices, I think of like Klingon Bird or Phrase. Well, typically it is. Well, you know, when a cloak in Star Wars is just going to be like a cloth you put on your shoulders.  And it's like, no, this is immune to scans, too.  Okay, cool. But it's not immune to decloaking scan scans. You're like, what? Yeah. It's like a super scanner. A super scanner. It was developed as an experimental blah, blah, blah.  And it's like, yeah, but this is a shield killing sword. I'm sorry. What? This is a shield proof sword. Shield proof. Oh yeah? Well, I brought my sword proof shield. Oh no. No. Don't let them touch. Don't let them touch. Don't touch. But I only use it sometimes. Yeah. Not literally all the time. I only listed out on special occasions like bar mitzvahs and sword fights. I'm not even kidding when the guy says, we ran a decloaking scan and we can detect. It's like, what? Why weren't you running that previously? It's very expensive and our budget got cut a little bit last year. The whole film explodes when he said, well, the whole film explodes several times. Like, if they don't use a cloaking scan every time, what makes them decide that they better use it? Like they would need some information of where the ship is or the Tesla to bother scanning for cloak ships. It's like, it just doesn't make sense. Someone says, regarding the decloaking military advancement. Someone said, regarding decloaking military advancement. He's still cutting out. He's still cutting out. Oh my God. What are you saying? Military. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Let's try it again. Regarding decloaking military advancement exists. That's what hobo Frodo said. Thank you hobo Frodo. What a hobbit still about war. You've shared light on this whole situation. Yeah. And honestly, I'm not questioning the fact that they might be able to develop a skin that can break cloak. I'm questioning the fact that they don't use it constantly if they have it. They decide we'll just use this one off now because that's the whole point. Yeah, but is it like you can only use it for like 10 minutes at a time or it will burn out your scanner or something? You know that the kind of hack riot has to come with it. So we ran the cloaking set. Why didn't you run it earlier? We can only run it once per 10 hours. Why? Because it's on a check. We have to recharge it. The batteries can only take so much or else they're overloaded.  He's running a thing. You know how you get those torches that only work if you spend a thing? They have to 6,000 hamsters on hamster wheels. It's like, it's captain. I cannot do it. I cannot do another thing. You can't change the rules of physics, captain.  It's like riding a horse and you're trying to shoot the bullet with another bullet while upside down and blindfolded. Do you remember EFAP? I think it's like EFAP 7. It's the one where we have a logic dot and we're talking about how to make the bomb drops make sense. They magnetize to their targets.   Why do you need to magnetize it? It's like almost like Warhammer 40K kind of over-engineering to every kind of possible. It's like the army is ran by retards. We need the exterminatus protocol. We need a double exterminatus. We have, okay, so there's three new memes that I want to show just because Shad might be leaving before we can see them. So we've got to make sure he sees them. One sec. Sorry, I'm very drunk right now. I'm not drunk, I'm just fat. I saw that in Twitter. Alright, a couple of inaccuracies here. So this contemporary artistic rendition isn't very realistic. I love how the name of the boss is a Scaly Boy. Scaly Boy. Then we got this one. Danger Noodle. That's what I was like when I saw this stream.  And then, you know, when you get bail when making memes after you, that's when you know you've succeeded. You made it big. How awesome is that, dude? You got his gambeson and everything. That is brilliant, I love it. I love how the stakes is like, but why? I was only snaking, it's what I do. Seriously though, in Australia, that's enough justification to get rid of them. And I know people, people got really ticked off when I shared that in the video. It's nice to protect it. I'm like, you guys have...  There are reasons why me, Wolf, Rags, everyone won't visit Australia. It's populated with criminals from... We will get on a boat, we will go up to the shore and wave to you. We'll be like, hey, man.  The prison food is great. So, is everyone... Would you know from first-hand experience to explore... Well, all of Australia is a prison. What are you talking about? Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. People in the chat are calling you Shads. They cut out. Really? Damn it.  What are they calling him in chat, Wolf? Shad Snake Slayer. That makes sense. I'll take that title. Failure is the greatest teacher, as Yoda said, and this final showdown ties into the theme of the movie beautifully. It's also beautiful. How do you even say that when you said... Okay. Hey, we waited four seconds, everybody. So beautiful. What is... Tell me what the theme of the movie is and how this... It's such a fucking... Tism reading. It's like... Failure is the best teacher. Luke failed and he learned from it. There you go, best movie ever. But let's try and strongman his point, right? So... Because look, you can learn more from failure. So what is Luke learning from his failure? If I was to steelman his point, I would then say in response to you, Luke didn't... Luke, when looking into the future, potentially or premonition upon Kylo, judged too quickly to try and solve a problem instead of thinking it through and caused a villain to be created.  He simply says, yes, and life goes on, and you can... But if he learned from that, then wouldn't he be trying to save Kylo now? But he, Kylo asks if he's trying to save him. And he's like, nope, nope. So he hasn't really learned from that yet. Luke Skywalker learned the very valuable lesson that murder isn't always the first solution to any problem that you have. Sometimes it's the second. Sometimes it's a close second. If he's learning from something, because he doesn't want to redeem Kylo, maybe the thing he is learning is that I should have just killed him then. Why did I hesitate? Yeah, I was like, I should have killed him faster. Imagine that was the glorious awk that Luke experiences. He tells Rey, you need to kill your family members and realize they'd be helpful.  Rey has, like, a moment where she introspectively realizes how, like, glorious and altruistic battle... Yeah, that would have solved a lot of my problems if I just killed Kylo in that throne room, huh? Yep. Yeah. Death is good. I'm confused as to... I said this kind of before, like, he goes into the nitty-gritty of the events of Endgame to prove that Thor's story is kind of fucky. But then when he gets to TLJ, he's only broad. Very broad and basically inaccurate.  And by the way... It's almost like he doesn't actually have an argument to support his point. He just wants to compare two things that don't actually stand up to comparison. And I just want to say, the guy who made this video, welcome to come on EFab to talk about this, because, good God, I don't think this second portion of the video holds up to scrutiny whatsoever. It ties into the theme of the movie beautifully. It's also beautiful to see Luke speaking hopefully about the future during... What do you mean he says no? He says no to saving Kylo's soul. He's always been in a dark place throughout this movie. Luke is not known for saving people. Yeah, he doesn't really come back from it. I mean... Yeah. He, like, depresses me to think of what Luke did in that scene as a positive. It's like... I actually have trouble remembering everything about the last Jedi, because I've tried so hard to excise it from my mind and pretend... Welcome to EFab. But does Luke at any point make the decision that, okay, we should keep the Jedi around? Because I can't remember if he does that. All he says is that I'm not the last Jedi. He never says that the Jedi are ultimately a good thing and should continue. He implies that in my field.  Right.   Ray gets to do it. Imagine her teaching people what a Jedi is.  Just be good at it. Two days ago, I thought they were a myth. I'm basically a Jedi master now, though. Oh, yeah. And for people saying, is there anything hopeful Luke says in that sequence, I'm not suggesting that there's nothing he says is hopeful. It's just the idea that he says to save my soul. He says no. It's like, how the fuck? Someone said it wasn't murder. It's surprise. Surprise forever sleep. What? Make sure Wolf doesn't leave early this stream. Next one will have him. Oh, Wolf, you're not allowed to leave now. Bayowin's got a surprise drawing coming. That's gonna excite you. This stream? Apparently. It's not much of a surprise now, is it? Oh, you'll forget about it by the time it comes around. Wolf just focused on the marinara. I'm just focusing on killing this squid pepperoni. Racist. Hopefully about the future during this confrontation. When he was in such a dark place, the whole movie. His death scene is really powerful. Because of the visual.  What does Luke actually accomplish in this movie? What does he learn? What does he do? He dies. Frustrated to no end. That if he found... He got the telegram on this island. They go, yes, all the resistance died by the way. Even though you did what you did. I thought it helped. I guess I didn't. Everything depends on Ray having picked them all up from the back. I guess he just knew that because he's omniscient. Depending on what causes his death. Because either it was the projection that made him so weak. But then he didn't die. He became one with the force. Which is an intentional thing. So maybe he did it just before he was going to physically die. So he could become one with the force stuff. It's all a choice he's making. He chose not to fly with Ray there or anything like that. And the question is why. What is it achieving? That's the thing. Did he really choose not to go with Ray or scared? Ultimately he sort of overcome his fear in order to project himself to the other side of the galaxy and then die anyway. You guys like this majority speculation? We don't really even know. Not great. When it comes to Luke you get so little from this screenplay. You have to infer most of it.   The movie created my career. It's not pointless.  That's like saying Obi-Wan's death scene is pointless. Watch a movie for its theme. No. You can't relate Luke's death scene to Obi-Wan's scene and say like, how is it that you don't like this movie? You can say that. We addressed this in the last stream as well. There's a lot of reason that you can actually find with Obi-Wan that when you look at Luke you just start getting confused. Everybody has a different account and they conflict. Obi-Wan look at his character throughout A New Hope. He always seemed like he knew what he was doing. He was there to impart a bit of wisdom to Luke. He was there to get him started on his journey. He served a logical purpose within the story. We all got it. We all understood it.  He's just this confused mess of a character. The screenplay doesn't know what they want him to do. We don't know what he's supposed to be. He's just there.  It all comes to nothing. Because the people who wrote his character didn't know what he was supposed to be. They resented him even being in it. Did I tell you guys? This is a thing that was said by I think it was Ryan Johnson. It's going to be in part 3 or 4 of my TFA series when I finally release it. Luke Mark was confused when asked what the third lesson was because he obviously was like it wasn't one. When Ryan Johnson is asked about it and again it could be someone else's quote and I'm pretty sure it says they say the third lesson is to be interpreted by the audience. If that was that's a cop out.  You forgot to do X. No, it's there. Have you seen the deleted scene for this? Which one? Well Luke pretends that there's going to be a raid going on on the island well if you try and stop this they're going to come back twice as bad next time that sort of thing and Ray can't help herself. She runs in to try and stop it and ultimately it's just like a big party going on with the local space nuns told. Yeah, whatever they are. So EFAP 40 has been blocked worldwide by the way.  There's a copyright claim on it so if I find out what it is I'll just edit and re upload a vision that doesn't have whatever the hell they're complaining about in it.  I guarantee you it's a meme video. It's always a meme video. Apparently it's from Warner Brothers so it could be any movie they've made. Sorry guys you're going to have to wait a while before you can re-watch that if you want to. YouTube cares about its kinds of creators. I want to talk a little bit more. Yeah, we're just going to say that scene that was cut.  You don't need me. Isn't that the exact opposite of what you should be teaching her? Mm-hmm So just with also the running and help people but ultimately you might make things worse because you don't know the bigger context of what's going on. Someone said you don't think the third lesson is what it be but it do. Interesting question from Logan Looker. Mola, honest question. Where do you draw the line between writing a movie to interpreting a movie? It's entirely dependent on your references. If you tell me like X happened and I ask you for a scene to reference it well you're supposed to sort of see that with the between the scenes that we see. It's like hmm. Does it appear in like if you were looking at a script or like a written version of the play of the movie is it there? If it's not then chances are it might very well be interpretive. If you can reasonably infer it from what you see on screen fair enough but if not then you're just trying to write the script for it. I'm not saying this is easy. It takes a lot of discussion to really find out the difference but most of the time the easy answer would be you have a reference versus you only have like literally don't you think that you could get that from this scene and then this scene? It's like hmm. A good example actually would be I'm one of the people who tries to defend vision and Scarlet Witch's relationship but the majority of it is just what you have happened between significant events which isn't necessarily enough for the payoff they have in Infinity War which is great but you need more time of them being together and I actually am a big advocate for Iron Man 4 which takes place between Civil War and Infinity War and it would be a world where half of the Avengers are vigilantes and the other half have to do work according to the accords and you get to have scenes where vision and Scarlet Witch are dealing with whatever basically you get to an Iron Man coordinates with Wakanda to invent his retarded nanotechnology it still actually bothers me that he casually has nanotechnology in Infinity War so it's like oh that's something he has now and a lot of people don't get it it's because of Wakanda and it's like we never saw that happen but okay As long as you've got the magic bullshit mineral that can do anything and solve any problem then it's fine and so if someone said their relationship is great you can infer that they would have spent a lot of time together it's like we kind of need to see that to enable the moment where she has to kill him being extremely meaningful and I still think it's meaningful I just think that they're missing out on a lot of power by not having a see them together more like we get one bringing it back to the last Jedi I was gonna say like a lot of people not infer that Rey kind of absorbed her skills and abilities from Kylo Ren when he was trying to like fuck that dude that's what people do they're like oh well the reason she's so fucking amazing about everything is because she absorbed all of his skills when he tried to like that is apparently canon it's in the books that's the thing that happens you can't just say I wrote this in a book and released the book therefore the films make sense now it's like no I love that the books are trying to fix everything yeah I feel bad for the authors of the books they're so unrelated to the the screenplay I don't envy the guy that had to make the novelization of the last Jedi at all he must have had like the worst time of his life trying to justify that shit like whatever you're paying me I want to raise I feel so bad for them because they don't even get recognition too they're the ones that have to try and fill all the gaps and nobody gives a shit like who even cares who wrote the novelization of T.L.J the only names everyone remembers are Johnson and J.J Abrams maybe that's a good thing though because it's not like those names have a lot of respect right now in critical corners of the internet know what I mean I have no idea what might be for Irwin better to not be hated you know it just it blows my mind that people like sensible people who are probably quite intelligent and day-to-day life will defend this movie well they would look at you the same way in reverse they'd be like intelligent people criticize this movie yeah but I'm always like okay fine tell me why you like it tell me why it's good have you seen what occupancy usually this is the thing you're talking to people who've done I want to say at least five streams on T.L.J some of the video is bad some of those videos but it's all based on emotion it's all just like well okay you know I liked it because it made me feel a certain way it captures the spirit and that's fine on an emotional level that's really subjective and I'm not going to take that away from you but like objectively you must look at the script you must look at the that's where you're entering a problem a lot of people think there's no such thing as objectively assessing art but if you have an objective standard to go by well it doesn't matter who cares about your objective standard that only applies for you you valued it who cares no but if the standard is understood for instance like consistency someone does something that establishes something that's now should be canon and then they completely contradict it later on you could say quite objectively that that was bad true but the person's response will be I value the theme far over I value whether or not the space makes sense that the bomb would fall at that speed that's an assessment on what an individual values which is subjective and it doesn't undermine the objective standard that only applies for corrective they would say that they do not value the value you've brought up and they wouldn't even give a shit about it and my response to that is that I wouldn't I don't really care what you value in this regard they would say the same back to you this is what I mean it's like a spiral well this is why I don't argue that it says I don't think you the whole premise of a fucking story is progression a story is built on the idea of progressing A to B to C to D so it's not an arbitrary standard this is literally the thing that it is so it's an objective issue whether or not you consider the standard or not I don't care it's an objective issue so if they were like I don't care that Yoda cast lightning just because the other force goes don't do shit all in the OT that doesn't mean there's a problem it's like it's a massive problem absolutely massive problem it fucks everything up and you go no that's your problem with the massives it's a subjective issue that you have and no one else does and so you're full of shit we need to get one of these people on this dude you need to watch EFAP with major Lee me and rags debated a man who enjoys this movie it was a disaster rags how would you describe it it's famous for saying that you should just look at women and that's a reason to like the movie critical drinker you need to check this shit out you'll love it you'll be able to look into the mind of someone who defends rags you there it's funny what rags remembers that experience like this is the weird thing I like to think of myself as a fairly person and like I could talk to someone who defends this movie like just you know we'll have a conversation about why you think it's good and I'll put my points across you can put your points across but I feel like they won't be able to do that because they'll just get angry that someone doesn't like it we have experience in the field and we will tell you that it's a fruitless endeavor but we will continue to engage in it hoping that one day we'll be proven wrong in that assessment seriously they'll check out the major lead debate fun fact about the major lead debate is that I was listening to it live and then I was living in student accommodation at the time and I locked my key in my room and then listened to it through the door of my room because and how was that experience Jay? it was really fun I had to wait for fucking hours for someone to go and then as they were unlocking the door they were like who's this guy who defended TLJ and you're like you wouldn't understand that's how long it took by the time they unlocked my door you had finished and you know how long eFAPs are oh no you were sitting outside your six hour that's what I was supposed to say yeah that was a long eFAP from what I remember or at least it felt long I can't remember if it was a long I locked my phone in my room as well so I had to wait for my flatmate to get home and he could call people to let me into my room wait who do you think put up the better fight Jay the not so great debate or majorly oh I haven't watched the not so great debate oh dude okay wait fuck I guess I'm the only person here outside of rags who experienced both of them and he's muted so I who who do I think put up a fuck I'll leave it to chat chat who put up the better defense the not so great debate or mr majorly I'm curious the not so great debate the not so great debate there was incredible it was not so great the reason why I called it the not so great debate his argument was based around not actually seeing the movie and how he paused the whole debate while he looked up clips I wouldn't look on it his defense was better because he had kind of reasons even if the reasons were oh yeah but it was cool yeah it seems to be that chat is either saying majorly was the better defender or that it was neither of them there's one okay I see one guy saying it was the not so great the better one yeah this is the thing that's a great debate is literally like dumb as a oh blessed southpaw said not so great with the medical I feel like this is something we should do a straw pull for how you know it was a good debate the arrival debate hey wolf you like the arrival right yeah I like other people who said we were wrong couldn't agree with each other as to why we were wrong this kind of sort of proves our point the arrival is a confusing movie there's no doubt hey critical drinker have you seen the arrival I have indeed yeah what do you think I thought it was kind of shit and actually like I'm gonna say it was a lot more simplistic than it would have you believe like when you actually bow down the plot of it there wasn't an awful lot going on that it well I'm trying to think of how I can put this concisely is that the one with Hawkeye in it yes he talks the future telling spiders if you can if you can bind to the idea that Amy Adams gonna have a kid in like 10 years in the future when she's already like like okay fair enough that's kind of what it boils down to it's all about the human kind of bullshit problems that they have rather than the actual contact with the aliens I've put the vote up wait we'll put a triple up yes I will post it in discord for you guys this is interesting actually I didn't realize so a lot of people do think that they're not so great they're great fucking hell not so great debate guy did put up a fight that was I honestly thought majorly was way better than him I think so too I think that the not so great debate is more entertaining I agree with that actually yeah oh yeah the not so great debate was like watching a guy come to some kind of realization like live on air it was like watching someone lose their religion uncomfortably it was like watching a flat earth there realize that the earth is round you really have that moment where they pause and it's like just the moment where he's trying so desperately to defend something and then he's trying in the middle of it if your vote is neither or both just don't vote you fine just leave it don't worry this vote is only for those who think one or the other was better than the other moller is pulling it so much but moller moller no vote is a vote for trump how do you I I'm going to divorce you if you continue to vote for trump which means I think you mean don't vote you can't talk about this you refuse to rim job him you're complicit in this moller because remember trump is literally Hitler I don't is that true is he litter is he the literal incarnation of heat law well if twitters to be believed then he is yeah was trump born after Hitler died because if that's true then he is the reincarnation I mean he is an old man he is an old man but he's like 72 or something speaking of 72 it reached 72% on major leaf for a moment there and it is once again there we go guys confirmed 72 okay yeah so it's confirmed objectively that it's the absolute truth that major was a better debater than not so great debate guy I can't imagine a worse debate than the fucking major well go watch the not so great debate and you'll find the worst later on the entirety of his arguments were going come on well the entirety of the debate guys arguments were something to the effect of well you see Luke is old and my personal favorite dude I'm axing you dude is this part of the disney fanatical star wars universe go back and watch now Jay tell me what is I feel bad for you will because you tried so hard to pin him down on what the fuck a disney fanatical universe was I never ever like I presumed he tried to say fantastical or something like that I think the whole overall point is that disney canon means that you don't consider any canon previously I think that's what his whole point was I guess he was trying to say like it's that same old argument of like oh it's space wizards with laser swords and stuff so you can't hold any kind of standards to it and it's like well I hate arguments like that if you're going to go by that if you're going to go by that argument and then like you know Ray could like jump up into space and punch the death star in the face and blow up with like a single punch or something like that the death star's face that's got his face I just thought it was a ball with an anus it's got it's got a dish or something you could probably punch that what was it yeah the major lead debate there's a progression at one point so he opens with say something like it was obvious that Kylo Ren and Ray were in love is evidence in total is they touched fingers and by the time we talk about it for a good half an hour what he wants us to definitively agree with is not that they were in love which is what he's previously stood for he moves the goalposts all the way over to you have to admit that there's something happening between the two of them we're like okay we don't disagree with that statement you know just for shits I might actually watch the not so great debate again because I haven't seen that since we had it I said that we were gonna I was gonna watch it again but I completely forgot to I definitely would can we get that can we get that guy back again major lead I don't know where to find the guy from the not so great debate just get him on this major lead now no major lead made me sad did he make you major lead sad no he made me extremely sad he made me fanatically sad fanatic star wars universe sad in a disney in a disney fanatically way very sad people are all addressing me on twitter saying that e-fap 40 is down that makes me sad yeah no you can tell rags gets like angry at major leo I think I do too I was supposed to try and be the neutral party I keep trying to like sort of level it out but I get super frustrated when he starts talking about it I like it how you don't even know the name of the second guy the guy from that debate you didn't even know I don't even know what his name is I don't either oh yeah but that's the first oh fuck I don't know what's happening he was in the debate that was the wolf and guy the infamous guy didn't have name right did guy have name I don't remember he had discord name but it's been a year since that happened what's the chances that he's even still alive after all this well he's lying probably died from an accident dude he did I mean honestly if he is dead it might be for the better oh people are saying yeah so what's gonna happen is I'll download wait if I can if it's block worldwide can I download e-fap 40 at that point I don't know either way it'll come back up oh night you can't live it's blocked worldwide fuck rake well I'm gonna have to contest the claim to get it then oh you can shadow play it well that's what do you mean I can't at this point right cause it's cancelled what service do you use to download youtube videos it's obviously youtube premium right cause it's the only one you're supposed to use no I don't use that we will refer to him as run either way either way this insane e-fap double bill will be delayed I cannot upload part 2 before part 1 so however long it takes it just can't be done it ain't right even the disney fanatical star wars universe so make sure you hang on to this url folks this is the url you have right now you need it bookmark that shit that's the only way you can view this right now well until it gets blocked worldwide oh this one shouldn't get I'm assuming it's a meme that got blocked by the way the problem with memes is I always feel awful trying to pause the memes cause they're really funny but when they do film ones I'm like I want to let it run but then fucking things like you're trying to sell the movie to make money it's like have you seen what we're looking at it's not anyway is everybody happy for me to to continue the video I'm really happy it was a video yes we're doing it it's not pointless shut up that's like saying obi-wan's death scene is pointless watch a movie for its themes and subtleties for once instead of taking everything can you make this argument to him about Thor in Endgame don't even go there I found the name of the not so great debate guy oh his name was death and carn and he plays roblox death and carn he plays roblox tell me he's on lane right now can he handle roblox I don't know I'm not friends with him why not why would I be wow that's fucking cruel also whoever made that picture that red picture with the three of us discord it to me I want it is he still not done that the guy who did it may not be viewing right now you gotta wait for him yeah he of course he is he might not be rags he must be and no chat it's not death and carn it it's literally just death and carn I don't think he understood what oh I love carn is it carn that's in like I love carn in the comic it's the word and it's death and carn and it just ends there it's like he forgot that there were three more letters in the word is carn like a different area in which death occurs differently is carn like a I think that's just where his brain stopped functioning oh what happens if you die in Nebraska death and carn just think though like that debate that he had with you guys that was like probably the highlight of his life I don't think that was the highlight of his life I think that was literally the worst day of his life yeah that was his shot that was his shot that was his shot of greatness you know he didn't take it I wonder if his opinion of T.L.J. has changed since then I wonder if he death and carn people are seeing each other I highly doubt it because I mean remember that by the blue ray of the last Jedi right we were like no that was such a bad moment anyway we're supposed to be watching a video guys just to clarify is 6th and the highest number of people that have ever been on e-fab at the same time no we've had 12 I think that's a lie it was eventually once you actually get past 6 it starts two rows so there's like a row on top of this one so it's like a double decker oh damn podium that's how it works nobody join please I'll invite all my friends huh I'll invite all my friends okay oh they just got here I see yeah I don't think but to answer your question legitimately I don't think we've ever had 7 6th is the best alright time to get 7 frog old are you in line I'd like to join if you wanting 7 anyway let's watch a movie for its themes and subtleties for once instead of taking everything at face value stop complaining that old man cap makes no sense it's beautiful but it doesn't make sense it's not beautiful it's actually kind of it no you can't just say but it's beautiful but it's pretty this is like the look at the trees that's essentially saying because I liked it all criticisms are invalid but the cinematography but it was so beautiful this is where all these people come from though it's like it's all about what it made them feel it made me feel happy inside so it doesn't matter about any criticism it doesn't matter if it makes sense all all I care about is like my emotions my feelings are worth far more than any stupid cold hard fact yeah exactly the thing is the old man cap can make sense how it could be an old sea captain if you look at the time travel from a parallel dimension time travel it can make sense I did a video on this guys how did he get back into their timeline if he traveled into a parallel the main mcu timeline was a parallel timeline that was created from having traveled back in time because he would have had to have been present the old man cap would have been present through all the mcu what happened and Peggy Carter was the one that she was married to was old man cap and he was just hiding off and she was lying but then he never took part he never took part in any of the the world shaken events that were going on during that that makes him a little bit of an asshole the question is he might feel that the good guys did win in most instances they did bring back everyone from the Thanos snap and he might have felt that he already had a role to play in trying to save the world and so he had retired how did he manage that conversation with the red skull when he had to return like the soul stone that would have been an interesting conversation I would have liked to have seen that the red skull is a great villain in the comic books and if they bring him back that would be cool but I would have to see how did he return the stone to Natalie Portman he had to use America's ass he had to use freedom powers I have challenged the copyright on number 40 I hope it comes through soon but YouTube isn't exactly kind to its creators we'll have to wait folks just enough it's great who put the claim in Warner Brothers they're not as bad as Zephyr they're like the second place though Warner Brothers are by far one of the worst are they I know Zephyr is really bad Disney let go of some claims pretty quickly in my experience sometimes they let go of the Captain Marvel the Zephyr Sony pictures yeah Zephyr is terrible Warner Brothers fucking suck for that all of the videos that I've got blocked in places have been from have you managed to have a counter claim and win no I've never won a counter claim with them so I don't bother anymore with the Warner Brothers claim because they don't block it they just block it in the states well I mean my ultimate thing will just be that I'll edit a version that doesn't have whatever the hell they claim do you claim on fair use oh yeah absolutely dude when you literally have a scene from the Hobbit which is what I assume may have gone down because I played the Hobbit one quite long with all these texts on the front and all the fucking completely different sound track and all this laughing and commenting on it you put that in court they would just be like how the fuck is this you trying to repurpose the Hobbit as a piece of work to actually have people enjoy and make money from completely fucking different it's absolutely fair use it's parody in the highest sense but you know and I wouldn't want anybody who I wouldn't want anybody who's making memes to feel responsible it's my bad for not pausing enough honestly sometimes I get too immersed in memes as we all do every time I get a copyright claim and I say no this is fair use and I send it to them and if they still dispute it after the fact that means they're saying they watched it and they're saying it's not fair use I threaten to sue them for harassment because they know it's categorically fair use I've told them and I've told them to sue them for the lost revenue and the stress that it's causing me and every time I've done that they've released a claim but that's just me isn't it nice though when they release the claim after like 90% of you so yeah that's always fun so you make fuck all out of it basically yeah it's a form of harassment because they know it's fair use they're just abusing the youtube system which is grounds for the termination of a youtube account by the way and you can get your account terminated if you do it it's a whole thing if you appeal a decision that went against you potentially they can do it I don't know how often it happens I've had a copyright strike I've had to appeal and it was lifted because it was fair use but it's not nice getting the strike don't get me wrong that sucks if you had a full strike on your channel then yeah lines gate the scum bags fuck them hey look I don't know if you guys have the same pause as the stream does right now but there was probably a guy editing this where a laser goes to the behind of Luke and he's cut it really badly the editor has two gaps between Luke and the laser because they probably were limited on the the abilities of special effects at that point that's really obvious what's happening on it so there's a laser traveling behind Luke that's obviously missing him from a gun they've edited what you need to do at that point is draw a big red line and then cut it out where Luke is to make it look as if it's shooting from behind him but they've overcut it significantly what I'm seeing on the stream apparently is Luke with a lightsaber you shouldn't be saying that I'm seeing old Captain America you gotta go on the actual stream my actual stream not on watch together I am on the stream page there's where the plugs watch it I refreshed it and it works yeah some special effects limitations I suppose it's okay I'm gonna draw it back to 740 just to make sure everyone comes with me future during this confrontation when he was in such a dark place the whole movie his death scene is really powerful it's not pointless shut up that's like saying Obi Wan's death scene is pointless watch a movie for its themes and subtleties for once instead of taking everything at face value stop complaining that old man cat makes no sense it's beautiful speaking of which that's the final nail in the coffin for Thor he has no end game in this movie it really feels like they didn't know what to do with him at the end compared to the masterful ending maybe this isn't his end yeah this isn't his end he's literally the next guardian yeah it's assuming his arc had to have been wrapped up in that movie and I mean there's already precedent that character arcs extend beyond one movie with what happened in Ragnarok and also Infinity War and stuff I'm getting I'm getting a bit tired of the whole like Thor's not ready for leadership kind of angle because they've been pulling that shit for like the past five movies and it's getting a bit old now you know like how much more does he have to go through in order to be worthy of leadership no I think he was established he is worthy even after the first one he was ready I think he actually kind of doesn't want to he wants to be out adventuring and doing the hero thing yeah he's a free spirit he has that like a character flaw because the first movie is like learning humility second one is learning I suppose how to deal with loss and then third could be how to deal with your people when they're facing out of destruction I don't know there's a couple things you could probably how to deal with more loss basically he loses his dad well this is how to deal with super loss like I hate to be the guy trying to make Thor 1 and 2 really matter as a separate important thing it's complicated because I fucking those movies suck it's the same reason why I adore the Russo's for making Iron Man 3 worth it like Iron Man 3 now matters in his arc instead of destroying his arc I'll never stop appreciating them for doing that and so they made it so that Iron Man's PTSD matters while Iron Man 3 was laughing at Iron Man for having PTSD which really fucking bothered me a lot of people are like ha ha you think that Iron Man 3 is bad when it gives him the idea of a hero experiencing PTSD due to the crazy antics he has and I was like yeah they also fucking make it a joke in that movie several times while Civil War you can absolutely argue a shit ton of the decisions Iron Man makes is because he still has PTSD he's still experiencing problems he's still trying to figure out what the correct decision is and he falters in places and it's very in line with Tony Stark's character one of his greater motivators in you know from the first one and stuff is guilt it's all characters based on the idea that he keeps trying to redeem himself for the mistakes he makes and Ultron is major yeah absolutely Iron Man 3 is almost like I have managed to fix everything no no no no no no no no no no no no fuck Iron Man 3 and then age of Ultron and Civil War like yeah fuck Iron Man 3 it's a shame if Ultron had been better developed as a character and as a villain it would have worked so well but as it was he was almost like kind of a comic clown sort of character yeah this is the thing defending age of Ultron I think Civil War makes use of age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 however I still think age of Ultron is better than Iron Man 3 yeah there's some great moments with age of Ultron particularly when he's talking about vision and like that was his ultimate you know goal for himself that was his well his vision for what he wanted to be and that was taken away from him and it's quite well conveyed the whole theme of that movie is like potential squandered because of flaws within a person within an idea and it carries through with everything and it actually plays out pretty well it's just it relies too much on comedy and humor with Ultron I was so I think that the age of Ultron trailer is better than the movie way better and it's a shame isn't it like the idea that Ultron is this extremely menacing realization for the heroes but in the movie he's this goofy idiot yeah it is hard to take him seriously as a villain fucking yeah okay well we don't want to get sidetracked we'll continue we don't want to get sidetracked we don't want to get sidetracked it really feels like they didn't know what to do with him at the end compared to the masterful endings Tony and Steve got in the grand scheme of things Thanos was just a minor slip up in the middle of his story I don't agree with that at all no the fact that he blames himself so drastically for not killing Thanos when he had the chance that's a big thing for his character arc and it sent him into a spawn and when he's with the guardians and he's like where are we going what are we doing lololol I'm gonna back and forth him with quill I might be alone on this but I was like oh man Thor's totally trying to gloss over everything that's happened there's a lot we can deal with here but again it's based on what they do with it because I feel like we've got the groundwork but you could fuck it or you could save it they're not gonna do it I don't think they're gonna do anything with it like I said I've been disappointed before but I've also been surprised in the next movie I wouldn't expect Thor to still suffer the PTSD of the events of Endgame I would probably open within being overly happy and then characters ask him about the events of what happened because they're kind of unaware of it and then as the movie progresses you see that the demeanor he's holding is just a fucking glamour basically it's James Gunn it is James Gunn we'll see but honestly if you told me which one would you think it would do it would do my idea or your assumption I'd be like I think you're more on the money I don't think they're gonna do it I fucking hope they do though just like I hope Far From Home is a great movie but a lot of people already be like I don't think it's gonna be good why people think it's not gonna be good because a lot of people don't like homecoming those people are wrong for once I actually agree with Jay on something one day that debate will happen that means Tony and Steve what rock have you been living under that you don't know that people don't like homecoming there are people in the chat right now who hate homecoming everybody who hates homecoming put a H in the chat H wait homecoming was dumb homecoming was trash CJ where have you been Jay well that was two people you can always find two people oh Jesus Christ right everyone don't be shy if you thought homecoming was underwhelming no garbage we thought it was garbage put a H in the chat because I'm pretty sure there's a lot of those people Vulture was cool though that's weird because I think it's one of the top three in the MCU as do I I enjoyed homecoming there were parts in it that annoyed me but overall I enjoyed it the arguments I've seen from it come from people that are talking about it from a purely adaptation standpoint which sure fine but what about the objective standpoint outside of that I will completely disregard any argument about the comics I just could not care less right I can personally totally understand that because I mean I hate the expanse show for what it does to the books and I refuse to watch it because of that but I'll admit to that it won't let me put a straw pool in the chat what do you what do you what's the straw pool link me and I'll put it in I did a spider-man straw pool I will allow people to see this was homecoming good yes or no vote now what was your main problem with homecoming the MJ replacement like for me she does not come across likeable at all she's this you know I'm going to second you on that one well she's an arrogant like fucking self-possessed art so like I just couldn't get behind her at all and so she didn't I don't like her as a character now that she's going to be the main love interest who's not even in the movie that much though that's the problem they're setting her up we're talking about this movie we're not talking about the next one or anything yeah when she was in homecoming she was being a jerk and so it didn't really make me like her as a character and I mean I'm a I guess it's the thing because you know you don't like comic book arguments but I'm a big fan of the comic books spider-man was like my big number one I appreciate comic book arguments but we're talking about the film separated from yeah and even separated she didn't come across as a likeable character but on top of that the fact that they replaced Mary Jane the true Mary Jane with this I'm like what did you like see in the trailer when Peter's on a date with her like for far from home and he's like oh you look nice tonight and she's like she makes a joke out of it she makes a joke out of it the only value I have is to look good and he's like and then she says I'm kidding yeah no no no no I don't accept that that's a good that's a good joke that's a joke that we would write you know what someone says they're kidding but they're not really yeah see that sounded like she was being serious you can't just fear that you can't just go oh she said she was joking but she's not really she did the exact same thing at the end of homecoming when Peter leaves yeah she's like where are you going what are you doing she's like I'm just kidding go ahead he's like no I'm just joking go on she is though she is low-key stalking him and that's actually already proven in the in the trailer because she knows that his bite a man and so that might have actually been a very genuine where the hell are you going but then she tries to gloss over the facts yes and we could infer the opposite of every action everyone takes I don't know but there's some validity in that assessment based on what's happening I'm surprised that that is the major issue with homecoming when she's barely in it well that's like it had more of an effect on me because I remember I like the comic books and stuff and so it rubs me the wrong man like I said I liked homecoming overall but there were certain little things that irked me and that was one of them I actually this is the benefit of being so detached from the comics when she's in the detention thing and he's like why are you even here because she's not in supposed to be in detention she's drawn a picture of the guy who's organizing detention and like she said she's got like a line under it that says like he's pondering his purpose of his life I thought that was funny I'm not saying that's not funny either no my point is that she's not like I'm not comparing it to the Mary Jane of the Raimi films or even the comics or whatever else she's just this character she's a character but if there was a comparison she'd win and this is the thing if someone wait what look if someone said to me what about comparing it to the comic or whatever I'd be like well that's another conversation I'd have to read the comic and then probably agree with you that she's a terrible adaptation but that's not what we're talking about look okay what's the second problem if there was one okay wait so super chat just came in homecoming is stupid as hell because they want you to buy a blue collar worker can reverse engineer alien tech and not gain unwanted attention from the FBI in a day with powerful weapons over the streets so it took them what we can only infer was years to reverse engineer a flying piece of gear that's all it is it's nothing more special than that and then they also have a rifle that can disintegrate someone which is no more special than the rifles that they had in the start the idea that they're not noticed by the FBI the whole thing is that they only steal from people who are extremely low level and they only sell to extremely low level even Tony says that they below the avengers grade this is all assessed in the film this is part of why I get frustrated that people hate homecoming you're really not taking advantage of all the effort they put into the script to explain all of the things that happen in it one of the things I was impressed with there's there's but then it never deals with this whole idea that like there's this weapon smuggling operation going on like we're using alien tech to Spider-Man literally drops it yeah he does but against Tony Starks like urging against on Tony's you know advice but Tony's recommending that they deal no Tony recommended that the police take care of it but then that's never touched upon like he never just notifies the police and then deals with it yes he does he calls the FBI and they turn up on the ship and that's part of why Spider-Man fucked up does he yes this is part of why people hate this movie for no fucking reason Tony literally says to Peter I did listen I did care he called the FBI fucking peace it's true this is what I mean this is what I mean I just did a great job as Peter Parker I enjoyed him and there was the younger youngest Peter Parker we've seen which was more true to again comic books which I love the youngest youngest Aunt May we've ever seen as well well that was different ok so that actress is not young by most standards she just looks incredible for her age she's young compared to what the fuck what was that who was that coming from who was that was that coming from Wolf's Pizza well people told me to put on elevator music so instead I got ice cream truck music ok chat I apologize for getting angry I just I constantly there's you again thinking about ice cream I constantly hear about how homecoming sucks and I just don't like hearing references that are inaccurate I apologize sorry I did it bad I'm gonna withdraw my statement about the police interference then the FBI were called so that that criticism of the plot is negated but the MJ is largely unlikable it doesn't ruin the movie yeah I'll stand by that one really in it so I like her well this is the thing I'm not even addressing a counter argument I'm just addressing that even if it was valid who the fuck is well that's what I mean I'm not saying it ruined the movie for me it's a good movie that was just one of my pet peeves I can't believe literally the fucking is dropping 40% of people incorrect people hate homecoming also some people recommended we check out the high top reviews video so me and Fringy have actually watched it we hate it and we're gonna address it on EFAP eventually it's terrible high top reviews has a video explaining why homecoming is terrible his arguments are fucking worthless and EFAP is gonna explain why one day look I'm sorry but homecoming is over is underrated yet there I said it homecoming is underrated I said it come at me homecoming is better than the last Jedi I'll give you that one yeah it's better than the last Jedi okay at least we can all agree on that so how's everybody doing I'm doing alright how are you doing no good apparently no it's a shame people don't like the amazing movie that is spider-man homecoming but hey if you guys do end up having a look at people saying why it's bad see if I'm available for the stream because I would like to be on that one as well I mean dude we'd love to have you on there are some cool elements with homecoming that I think work really well I mean I personally liked this is kind of civil war related but that Tony Stark was the one that gave spider-man his suit and stuff so you like that I liked that personally because honestly a teenager in the real world is probably gonna have a bit of difficulty making a fancy spider-man suit that he ends up making I know he makes in the comic books but it just addressed a small little plot hole thing that you know wasn't as realistic with Tony Stark giving it to him there's also a more realistic thing about his relationship like regarding the comic books in Spider-Man the ultimate Marvel had watched two different comic book universes ultimate Marvel was the next one in that imprint Peter Parker ends up having a relationship with Tony Stark and looking up to him a lot and seeing that reflected in the movie I loved as well I thought that was great and so there's a lot of cool little things like that that just gave me yeah cool I liked it but there were things that I didn't like as well so honestly that'll be this'll be a great topic for another refat because I am so tired of hearing about how homecoming is terrible for really bad reasons so we're definitely gonna do that and stop saying who because everybody thinks the homecoming sucks apparently it's gonna come on for the debate though well Geeks and Gamers as both think is terrible and they're both big fans of Spider-Man as far as I understand so there'll be plenty of discussion and we'll bring Shad on as their third versus our third and we'll have a video to respond to it'll be fucking chaos man someone in the chat is asking me who cares about Ultimate Spider-Man look it didn't like there's a point where it goes off the rails that the first launch of Ultimate Spider-Man comic books that was great I loved it I loved the more kind of bringing all the characters into a modern setting and going through all the arcs are fresh I enjoyed it I loved Ultimate Spider-Man but then they killed him off so yeah it goes a bit it's okay to be wrong sometimes we'll see we'll see I've seen a lot of Mahlers defending an objectively bad movie no it's just like Spider-Man your opinion is wrong alright let's just do a simple you don't have to defend it just give a number of what you think in terms of the craftsmanship of the script in Homecoming is we'll go from left to right Wolf what do you think out of 10 I'd have to re-watch it again because I've only seen it that one time with you a few months back but I would say like an 8 rags 8.5 Brinker 6 J 9 Chad I'm gonna repeat something in chat why are we talking about Spider-Man because Spider-Man is coming up how come I can do it I would actually want to watch it again to be a bit more objective when I go into a movie I actually mostly try and turn off my nitpicky side experience and it's afterwards that I try and break it down but often times I don't have a fresh memory of it and so because of that yeah I probably want to wait before I gave it a distinct number oh I'm saying you don't have to be committed to this so if someone said ah you said this out of 10 and you were wrong they'd be wrong to say it because this is not a committal thing yeah maybe 8 out of 10 for me oh wow I was about to say I'm not sure if I would give it 8 or 8.5 I kind of I think they're both valid or something also William Crowe said what's that more is angry because his golden goose is challenged golden goose that's civil war that's my golden goose challenging homecoming is just something that's bothered me over time because I've never seen like a really strong argument against it outside of it's not like the comics we don't like that Mary Jane is not a white red head which to me I understand that from an adaptation point of view but that's it and then the other comment that really fucking bothers me which is Spider-Man his life as Spider-Man never interrupts his life as Peter Parker he never addresses and to me that's just utter bullshit you didn't watch the fucking film so that'll be addressed in a future e-fap I suppose I don't know if you guys would agree with that statement Drink Girl Shad what do you reckon I don't which statements the last one the idea that Spider-Man the life of Spider-Man never interrupts or interrupts or makes him choose between his life as Peter Parker yeah that statement that statement bullshit like in the context of the movie like yeah he's constantly wrestling with that what about the crime scene where he was going to walk up as Spider-Man it's affecting his life heck he tries to take a girl to prom and he runs into the villa how does it not affect his life I would never mark down the script for that reason so no can I just highlight the duality of YouTube back to back these comments Mauler Civil War is an overrated film Mauler thanks for reminding me why I subbed to you yeah well how can you overrate Civil War though Civil War is a fucking good I can't wait to make my video on that it's gonna take 10 years but it'll happen and I like the rags liked it that made me happy because I like rags he's a doggo yay wait Shad what do you think of Civil War oh I love Civil War that's one of my all time favorites dude you can stay I say this tacitly but are all six of us talking about Civil War in this chat cause I know that a lot of people hate Civil War too it's the only time when the Avengers actually have to wrestle with real world consequences for what they do hmm high five are the five people in this conversation I like that we agree though people in chat are gonna be upset there's a lot of people who hate Civil War they're wrong there it is I think I'm probably the only one in this call that doesn't really like Civil War for any objective reason and I don't mean this in some kind of condescending way but I'd love to watch it with you I can't remember if we've done it oh we already did okay then wait for my video hopefully that'll change something I mean my whole thing is that I was never really invested in the vast majority of the characters in that film so I didn't really care about any of it there wasn't any pizza in it I can have pizza while I'm watching the movie I've seen it on it before yeah that's out of it did you like Infinity War because they will apparently deep fry your kebab in Scotland that's definitely the reason yes also I agree with that by the way I've tried Death of the Kid in chat said that a Civil War movie was better than it was in the comics changed my mind so when I came out of Civil War and I was just like fucking hell that was good I went to see it with a friend of mine he was just big into the comics and he said the reason he hated Civil War or at least didn't like it was that it separated from the comics and so we went to McDonald's after it and sat down and I had him explain to me exactly what the storyline in the comics was and I was like that sounds much worse and he was like it doesn't matter if it's worse they didn't do it in the films it was a poor adaptation and I was like okay fine but it sounds much worse basically Iron Man is absolutely the bad guy in the comic vision the idea that they're both principled and they're both correct but they clash at the core because it's a complicated issue my only criticism my only criticism of Civil War is that Tony's motivations aren't that well defined I think compared to Cap's I think like he could have done with more to build him up to where the sort of path that he goes down I disagree there's just not quite enough there I was about to say we can't do this we go from like a homecoming discussion to an eye we got to continue with this guy's video it's taken us 5 hours to not get through this video that's a different idea it's been 5 hours at least I love the idea that we're like guys we're going a bit long even for EFAP we're going a bit long we're going to reach 10 hours soon like the whole reason I started my YouTube channel I love talking about media it's the funnest thing ever we don't have to get we don't have to get too serious I also love talking about media media is a fucking glorious hero yeah so people ask in for like we should do we will give it time EFAP will cover everything it just takes us a while it's the same thing as my channel anyway is everyone ready for me to press play on this video to finally get to the end maybe nope compared to the masterful endings Tony and Steve got how do you feel about interstellar hahahaha don't get me started people in chat would be like bulls rock on interstellar it's a very good film does anyone in this chat love interstellar someone asked if this is a testament to how bad the video is taking us this long I will jump in and say the ending for interstellar is absolute nonsense yeah almost like the rest of the film up until a certain point I was alright with it but the idea that love crosses interstellar boundaries of fuck off no why do you hate love I didn't get that from interstellar I'm from you're derailing this let's bring up interstellar other time because I liked it well done rags you actually managed to do it I'm from Scotland love isn't what we do here we do so anyway let's carry on with this video it'll be great there's so many things to talk about Thanos was just a minor slip up in the middle of his story and pretty soon he'll be back to his full comedic self again now that he's joining the guardians we don't know that this is the thing he could be right he could be right the guardians plays out and Thor is just a fun, loving, happy dude throughout the entire film and in that case I'd be like well fucking hell endgame was just pointless that's what they're gonna do though but they're not going to the hints were there like right at the end of endgame when he was I'm not saying I know what they're gonna do but if they don't what's your reaction gonna be I guess I was wrong if it's not that if they go for something deeper and it's a little bit more I don't know, complex for him I'll be totally fine with that and it's like wow they've subverted my expectation I understand why you're certain of it in the same way that I'm certain episode nine cannot be well written but there's a very tiny chance like I don't actually I'm hyperbolic a lot when I say episode nine won't be well the fact that I know that isn't it Chris Terrio is one of the writers and that just means your film is dead at that point but let me confirm that quickly he's the guy who wrote Batman vs Superman isn't it I'll find out the idea that you got first of all JJ Abrams which you're fucked but to have yeah so he's the guy who wrote Batman vs Superman and Justice League you're fucked you're done Justice League and Batman vs Superman he's writing it alongside JJ Abrams there's no way but if someone said there's no way I'd be like okay fine there's a chance it's like the most enormous dice ever with a billion sides and only one number on that die is gonna result in a good film like I think it's possible for Thor to have an amazing arc in Guardians 3 I'm not exactly gonna say it's a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination but I'd hope for it but James Gunn is writing it and James Gunn Ryan is a good film I like he listed this guy as like a writer for you know Justice League wasn't there like 27 different writers I'm sorry I'm only going by what IBDB told me I could be wrong about the specifics I just mean that that's that's all I know you wrote Argo apparently people liked Argo that's something oh god he's writing Justice League part is it called Justice League part 2 is that happening there was a second part are you kidding me writer Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio oh god oh I can't wait oh Jesse Eisenberg is coming back I can't wait it'll be great who wanted that oh dear really I can't wait to see Justice League headed by Aquaman and Wonder Woman it's gonna be so great I want to I want to see a really fat middle-aged version of Batman I think Ben Affleck can deliver that quite well oh that's just the owl from Watchmen yeah so the idea that is it possible for episode 9 to be well written yes is it likely no is it possible for Thor to have a great character arc as a result of Guardians 3 yes is it likely I'd say no and that's just me being cynical I'm cynical about everything these Marvel has a good track record they've impressed me more often than disappointed me and so like they've taken things that you wouldn't expect to be good and turned them great like Guardians of the Galaxy I don't know they have a sustain in all these things like they can throw this stuff in and it's a surprise hit the irony is like my favorite Iron Man story throughout the MCU is Civil War which is what his like sixth film I think that's his sixth film I'm very drunk point being that you'd be like why would you expect the sixth incarnation or at least progression of his story to be the one that's your favorite that's pretty unlikely so that was a great surprise but what does everyone reckon on this has the MCU impressed you or disappointed you more impressed more than unimpressed yeah impressed definitely more than disappointed I'm not sure what about you Wolf I feel like I know the answer already but go ahead impressed or disappointed more yeah which one of you felt more with the MCU I'd say impressed more I don't really have much to be disappointed by in most cases if that's the case it's just that we all had a low bar I guess that makes some I just didn't even have a bar I didn't have any I had a pretty high bar with some of them like Spider-Man and Captain America because I'm a huge comic book fan and so I had high hopes for a decent amount and the fact that they I was one of the few people who knew Iron Man existed before the movie was made I loved Avengers and I loved the comic books and the fact that they pulled these rabbits out of the hat in my mind that they were so good seeing what has been done before I was really impressed I'll give them their due their ability to craft a story that spans multiple movies to tie it all together to have every movie build a little bit towards this resolution and to give you a little bit more information about what's going on that takes some planning that takes some consistency and I've got to give them props for that because no other franchise that I can think of does something like that nothing else has been so ambitious and before Iron Man was made who would have ever thought that he could have been such a popular like central character to a superhero universe like that he was almost like a B grade superhero or even C grade superhero no one knew who he was and then you hear a movie coming out and now Iron Man is like one of the top superheroes on the rosters now yeah and the logic will blame both the pinoffric dieter that's what I was pretty much going to say Robert Daddy fucking heard that shit yeah, funnily enough I was actually expecting more people to say more disappointed than impressed because I was going to say like I was impressed by Iron Man disappointed by Hulk disappointed by Iron Man 2 disappointed by Thor First Avenger I think is pretty good actually I would actually argue it's one of the more underrated films most people don't talk about First Avenger being any good but I actually think it's relatively strong and then Avengers I think is strong I loved First Captain America but then Iron Man 3 is disappointing I think for me like Winter Soldier is probably my favorite I like Winter Soldier 2 so yeah point being was the this is a bad way to look at it but I was just like there's more bad than good if you were to separate them with a line probably but that doesn't necessarily mean I was impressed or disappointed it's kind of an arbitrary question anyway because it's very feeling based yeah I just expected different results either way you guys ready to press play again? I believe so I think it rags it's like how do I derail is again I'm probably going to round out this video and then probably call it and I think oh so we need a few more hours then yeah Wolf what's your favorite movie soon it'll be back to us full Canadian severe expectations say one of the names and then one word and then go the Fellowship of the Ring Desolation of the Smoke Shut the hell up Desolation of my that is the wrong answer no I'd rather shoot myself than watch that again his arc is complete his story in Last Jedi has a sense of finality to it because the his story is complete it's not even over he's in the next one there's no arguing that his story is complete the argument is that it sucked hey wait can you say that though if his story sucked would it still be complete well it's dead no one's really dead no one's really gone no one's really gone is this their benchmark though it's like oh it has a sense of finality to it because he dies is that all you got I just like the idea that the film was only I'm not saying it's a good sense of finality like if the film only ever showed Luke on the toilet he farts dies and he goes well it's finished it's complete the story is finished he went through an arc much like Luke on the end of the last Jedi he went out like a wet fart now it belongs to Rey lifting her rocks yeah I was gonna say Luke didn't do shit he just stood there he was a projection he didn't try and save Kylo yeah how is it thematically relevant that his failure begins with failing to understand his student mistrusting him and threatening to kill him and then it ends with him goading his student into thinking he's there but he's not what's the thematic relevance there because he's not there to save him is it literally just the fact that it involves those two characters is that how surface level we are with this they met and talked therefore he overcame all the problems he had I think I think with Ryan Johnson he's very much about he's got an idea in mind of the visual of a scene he doesn't really care what the context is to make that happen say that as if it's like a Ryan Johnson thing that's like a 50% of humanity thing they do not care about the mechanics it's all about the the point but those people aren't entrusted to write like a billion dollar script for a massive movie no they think what Ryan did was a masterpiece but he you know he had this idea of like Luke and Kylo facing off in this desolate wasteland with the sun setting behind them and everything like that the showdown at sunset and he didn't care how it had to come about he just made it happen and he wanted a surprise revelation about what the nature of that confrontation was and it was just that Luke's not there and it's all a mirage but then he's dead anyway because I need to get rid of him in this script that's all he wanted why do you want me to be hateful you reminded me of all the stuff that made me hey rags what's your favorite video game and why and he didn't ask now now we can't be derailing this all the time we have to stay focused dragon stung one no metro dragon stung one boring the plan you're in a story that focused on his redemption Thor was a side character thrown into endgame to make fat jokes and kinda redeemed later on but with no real dramatic weight how can you say kinda redeemed while simultaneously arguing that he was never redeemed in this video what does that mean and those fat jokes were hilarious this is the video essay this is gonna tie into this whole idea of like well you don't like the last Jedi because you don't understand it because you're not smart enough to take it all in you ever thought that maybe that's the truth well it's kind of like if I go and order a burger and someone gives me a shit on a bun and I complain about it and they're like well it's because you don't understand the turd it's supposed to represent your failure to understand the the damage that you're doing to your body by eating the burger pretty much but this is it you can come up with any kind of argument like that like well if you don't like something it's because you don't understand it it's like well have you ever considered the prospect that it's actually not that smart at all in fact it's the opposite of smart it's the ying to smart it's yang it's a dumb as fuck it's an enemy to smart it's a dumb as fuck screenplay by a dumb as fuck writer to try and satisfy like a bunch of like idiotic requirements and that's all it is thrown in the endgame to make fat jokes and kind of redeem later on but with no real dramatic weight attached to his journey it feels juvenile while Luke's story feels mature and poetic it's like poetry and rhymes yeah I don't what can you say my immortal is poetic in the same sense that free versus poetic when it's just bullshit if I'm trying to give the guy as much benefit as I can look Thor's story arc is lighter because it has humor in it that doesn't make it worse though because the humor was fun it was good and it didn't necessarily rob what he was going through either because he was kind of using his carefree attitude as a way to mask what he's really dealing with I don't necessarily agree about that with every one of the jokes the one that seriously bothers me is the cheese was one when he's trying to explain that he needs to be the one that brings everyone back and fucking war machine just makes that joke yeah like that was not a good place to put that joke the one where he says I think he's dead I didn't mind that one that was fun and you know he looks like melted ice cream I chuckled at that the bit that pissed me off is when he has to speak to Jane and he has a panic attack because he can't face up to it like does that really seem like the kind of thing that Thor would do after everything he's been through alright well what about looking at it this way right Thor has always been kind of vain he's the strongest Avenger he wants to be epic and all these things and he's now gone into the past where he looks like melted ice cream he like I think there's some validity saying that he might be overly self conscious appearing to his mum and Jane in the state that is in he knows is a mess what because he's fat as shit yeah like Jane has this idea and the real Thor is there of him being this absolute hero you know god like figure and now he's looking like the big Lebowski I don't know man seems like a reach could be a reach but is it a potentially valid way of looking at it that he would have negative body image and that would be his thing that like brings him well not only that he like there's a lot of implications about it if he's supposed to be this epic powerful hero and has let himself get into that state what does that say about his character and where he's at so it's more than just having a negative body image but the problem we have later is like we see that that his physical appearance doesn't really have any impact on is like what you can do like he can still you know have his hammer and his axe in both hands and he can still like conjure lightning and he can still take on Thanos on equal terms like he's not been diminished by the fact that he's fat so it doesn't it kind of doesn't really amount to anything it's just a cosmetic thing really and it make that just reinforces my opinion that it's there for laughs it's like let's laugh at Thor cause he's fat now where do you take that sorry I got a crying pig in the background I got a view but I'm listening though anyway that's my rant when it comes to fat Thor I was just interested to hear both of you change ideas I've got nothing to add I don't know no J interrupt with some awkward comment I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt with the idea that it's actually starting to get light here where I am I can see at my window I mean yeah well definitely was it light when we started yeah what a poetic arc no matter what the context is why everyone just decided to stop talking this is this video I feel so bad if the person who uploaded this ever watches this he'd be like you barely talk about a video to his journey it feels sorry your video was so short story feels mature and poetic Thor is also not the focus when he could have gotten equal focus to Tony and Steve I know that's not the case since we'll see more of him but again dealing with the repercussions of Thanos is kind of a major thing for his character but that might be to come another thing it's not can't say it's not you can only say it might not this is that I completely understand your apprehension with the concepts because I think that I would be on your team if this was in another scenario if I was a bit more cynical about it but I actually do think they have plans for Thor and that this was Iron Man and Cap's movie cause there's only so many characters that they can give time to cause there are heaps in there and so it does make sense if Captain America and Iron Man are moving on you really need to wrap it up in this movie right now but Thor is sticking around you do have time to keep going with it but then what can you do because he's now but he's now achieved his aim like he's put right the thing that he failed on Thanos is now dead everyone who died has been restored and everything is fine now pretty much well maybe Thanos was just the character that instigates the problem the problem is something he still needs to address which is that he couldn't save the world and he's just tried to ignore it by the fact that he tried to work with them to defeat the post hoc problem which is the new Thanos trying to kill everybody again still dealt with that this is what I mean like so this is why I like that episode 9 is finally coming out so that we can finally be definitive about a lot of things so the idea that you try and criticize TFA the Snoke's backstory not existing people will be like yeah but that's the point of TLJ is that it's gonna bring in Snoke's backstory and it's like no he's dead there is no backstory like no they're gonna bring his backstory in episode 9 it's like fucking hell guys really but then they still could they absolutely could they won't but they absolutely could so the fact that episode 9 is coming out is a relief the answers in concrete what these characters are who they are what they mean the thing is we know for a fact that Chris Hemsworth is willing to go on while Cap and Iron Man wanted to go out and they did go out we'll have to see but I probably will agree with you I probably will agree with you because like I said I think it's much more likely that they'll fuck Thor's character up rather than fix which is what they can do going forward from Endgame just like when going forward from TFA yeah and to try to try and equate this with episode 9 I don't think we're gonna find out anything about who anyone is it's not gonna be consistent with anything we've seen so far there's clearly no plan there there's no overarching story to this it's just think about this what can we do even if JJ had a plan which nobody would believe but let's just say he did Ryan Johnson threw it away and went his own direction so imagine having a plan for three films someone else did film 2 and it's the complete opposite of what you intended imagine trying to write film 3 as the guy who had the plan from film 1 yep you're fucked yeah I'm just like con just get rid of the last Jedi pretend it doesn't exist but then who do you blame for all this Disney you have to choice this point pin it down to someone specific like someone oversaw this and someone approved it you know we had JJ starting it off with the Force Awakens and then just basically handing over the reins to Ryan Johnson do whatever the fuck you want with it don't mind and then he did and what he did was awful but then is that Ryan Johnson's fault is it like Kathleen Kennedy's fault for approving it a lot of people blame Kathleen Kennedy is it JD Abrams fault for saying like yeah you can do whatever you want I don't mind this is my outline but you can use it or not I don't know that he necessarily had a choice in that anyway and let's remember that if you were like why didn't he complain about where the direction of episode 8 went it's like I don't think he can contractually do that probably some clause that's like you will not disparage where this blah blah blah goes not that I think that he would I'm sure that he would just be onboarded anyway was it half a billion dollars or something what for bad robot something like that yeah to work with Warner Brothers I think it was and it's just like when you read that you're like whoa he just got 500 million dollars he could totally be at the point where he's selling his soul but you just think like for something with so much money behind it and so much at stake the idea that you can just run roughshod over whatever plans that were before it's just mind boggling it's to subvert expectations you can't just have anybody out there subverting expectations I mean doing the obvious the thing that the fans want that would actually make a good movie that's just ridiculous so anyway okay since we'll see more of him but again dealing with the repercussions of Thanos was kind of a major thing for his character but I guess it really wasn't in the grand scheme of things now look I really hate Last Jedi I'd probably rather rewatch Attack of the Clone since it's at least way funnier and meme filled what would he do jump out of a moving vehicle excuse me but Last Jedi is not the worst movie ever made and I have to give credit where I see it Luke's emotional journey I'm afraid you've given credit where it didn't deserve it it's not the worst movie ever made what high praise I mean I've probably said it to be honest it's not the worst movie ever made people would praise in the room but the room is so bad it's good yeah Trad said it's being bad hey you can't use the word bad in conjunction with the room there's only good there's only masterpiece it's a masterpiece so could The Last Jedi be one of the worst movies ever made it's one of the worst yes I would say I think you Terminator Genesis is worse yeah I can't think of movies I'd consider worse well yeah most people go to B movies that are really poorly made in every single direction possible including writing as opposed to Hollywood movies that are typically only badly done in terms of writing because they're mostly okay because they're hiring well known actors they hire CGI artists that are good at their jobs they hire people to do cinematography for them like all these things are usually just they come with the price but apparently you can't buy good writing like you can't buy a surely good writer and I think that's also tied to the fact we have time limits well yeah time limits can affect this is the thing man it's like a lot of us feel that we could write a good TLJ but what if someone said do it an hour we'd be like fuck and you might be like we still do better than Ryan Johnson probably I agree with that you know what I mean though a lot of writers will suffer dramatically when they're forced to write something quickly um because that's not the way you're supposed to do writing but it's not taken as seriously as it should be in Hollywood as far as I can tell it's a shame I like the writing part of movies it's kind of what I base my channel after it's kind of one of the fundamental things that makes a good movie in my mind unless it's like some fast and furious just fun bull crap when I get to see cars explode they're still telling a story the Hobbs and Shaw trailer that looks great I actually when I saw the trailer with a friend of mine we were watching I think it was Captain Marvel I was like you know that looks like a lot of fun to just watch when you literally are paying attention when me and my friend went to go see Dark Phoenix the trailer came on and when the rock was holding on to a trying to like keep them together over a cliff we could not possibly take it seriously that was hilarious well the thing is the previous Fast and the Furious didn't they have a race against a submarine in the Antarctic wasn't that a thing I stopped paying attention to the Fast and the Furious franchise it's like the dumbest set of movies ever created that's the only time where I've seen someone grab a torpedo when it jumps above the ice and just like redirect it towards something they want you to blow up like yeah it's beautiful that's where you're wrong that's completely realistic and well written when you're the rock you can do things like that anyway not the worst movie ever made and I have to give credit where I see it Luke's emotional journey was really compelling Thors could have been but it fell short the fuck can't you just say Luke's story could have been compelling but it fell short how can't anyone just say that and it really seems like his like as you said before Luke's one felt serious and Thors one felt like a joke but like the humor in Thors journey doesn't undermine the stuff he's going through and like if you were to say which one felt more serious well I would say it would be the last Jedi one but the writing was awful the motivations were terrible he was contradicting his character and it was a mess I mean it seems like he would actually admit to judging it ignoring the fact that it's bad at the premise the Luke one like I'm not even trying to criticize him here I think that that's the premise for this analysis felt more legitimate because it was serious and that seems like what he's basing his judgment on really compelling Thors could have been but it fell short sometimes it's important to let go of our hate and recognize when a bad movie does something better than a good movie I don't think that's what you did here just because a movie has a serious like tone doesn't actually make its content serious yeah I agree with that a lot of people upon first viewing of the last Jedi said that the comedy was so misplaced so many of the jokes in the last Jedi felt awkward like ooh making a joke okay I thought we were being serious but okay the idea that like it's a mutually understood thing that this is a mature film it's like no but it fell short sometimes it's important to let go of our hate and recognize when a bad movie does something better than a good movie there you go I brought balance to the force by talking positively about the last Jedi for a change perfectly balanced now that I've said both good and bad things about it I'm sure the comment section will be perfectly content maybe I don't know I'm assuming that the video is relatively well received compared to the the doom video for example at least I tried I never got to finish the doom video how'd that go the guy came on the guy came on he did yep how'd that go about as well as he expected he didn't do any of this well except you he was a friend Leo he don't even recognize who crime work gaming is no he came on and he was like what are you guys doing with your new fangled computers you should go back well I was about to say I could look at it but it's currently fucking held up by Warner Brothers you'll have to wait for that he seemed familiar with you and he made it sound like you two had some alteration at some point did he I thought he just made it sound like he knew who Rags was that's all I don't know there's something in this tone of voice that made me is there something that happened between these two at some point they fucked I wasn't thinking that but I mean that's easily something that could have happened well either way we defeated that video it only took us 11 hours yeah I'm right so and with that fellas I'm gonna need to get let's get let's get let's get plugs done alright in case people are leaving alright so Shad talk about your channel you wonderful man swords castles how it integrates with pop culture and fantasy and all that fun good stuff and I'm gonna show my book because it's coming out tomorrow I wrote a book as good go buy it that's it come on man you gotta you gotta tell him it's the only book that's worth buying in the universe it's about it's about pages the former tyrannical emperor of a fantasy world when he sets out on a road towards redemption for who better to fight back the darkness in the world than the one responsible for most of it there you go there's a bitch man yeah why are we talking about that one spider-man's coming out how do you know that meme how did this spread this little bit repeated in the channel I might know far more than people might realize I'm impressed Shad is an e-fap scholar oh yeah everyone should subscribe to Shad diversity to learn about why swords are bad in media that's what you do right and when the swords are good but also I'm talking about fantasy tropes but I also did random things on sci-fi I did a review of the last Jedi and how I hated it and so there's a random movie review on occasion the main say is like what movie in the mainstream would you say is one of the best representations of how medieval tech slash vehicles slash accurate armor clothing weapons and stuff yeah just accuracy I guess outlaw king the recent one on Netflix was surprisingly well done it impressed me on so many levels there was some inaccuracies I did video reviews but the weapons and armor were mostly full on legit very like I was amazed yeah so outlaw king there you go the robert the bruce one yep that's the one yeah they filmed that like half a mile from nice nice alright my kids are getting ready I gotta go fellas thanks have a good day sir we'll have you back at some point for sure bye bye I'm assuming critical drinker would you like to escape now yeah cuz I'm gonna have to get up in like three hours to go well then tell people about your amazing channel and why they should subscribe you shouldn't I'm an asshole don't subscribe to me don't say that don't say that oh yeah like yeah I'm really good do fascinating work I'm probably gonna talk about Cobra Kai next because I fucking love that show and I've been meaning to talk about it for ages and it's very rare that I actually cover something positive that I enjoy so that's my next thing the drinker recommends you watch Cobra Kai I haven't actually seen it I don't know if anyone else here has but I've only heard good things it is very good also it made me laugh on multiple occasions you stayed for like how long has this been what was the first half was an hours how long I don't know it's all gone into a big blur for me started seven ish yeah when nearly as four means when you get eight hours yeah I said to you like when we started this like don't worry I'll be around till about midnight at least and yeah four hours of that is a little bit yeah like when there's things that I want to run about and there's things that piss me off well I just gotta keep going I suppose nine hours is what we're nearly at nine hours not bad that is a fucking long eFap wow not the longest still though it's the longest 11 hour eFap we might be that today cause it usually takes people all the two hours to get through the chest episode 50 is gonna be the 24 if there is other stuff that you want to cover yeah do let me know absolutely happy back so it was fantastic and I hope you have a good sleep for three hours thank you it's been emotional good night slash morning see you later guys is anyone else leaving or are the four of us staying I have to be up pretty early tomorrow so I think I'm gonna have to call it a night here very well I was gonna say plug but I mean you're like the guy who's always around and stuff so yeah don't subscribe to me don't watch my terrible videos or my terrible I never do anything good he even cuts out when he's trying to tell you not what to do so yeah so don't watch anything or do anything related to me because I'm terrible and I bring down eFap and I'm the worst one here hey everybody yeah I am oh wait what if they're let me just make sure there's no new Beowyn drawing for you a lot of people saying the thing got copyrighted no no no no no and you're good okay okay we'll see the Beowyn thing next time mm-hmm alright I'll see you guys and that leaves gay, ragas and mules to attack the chat are you just gonna do the super chat at this point? yes there's a lot this is over 8 hours I guess a lot of several $1 ones that have questions so we'll my favorite is the first one it's from a user called Shrek2 and there's no message hmm Shrek2 it's like what is, rags you're back rags yay I don't know if you can tell this eFap has killed me I don't know if I'm acting different or not in fairness I think there may be comments about how there was either interruptions or people not speaking much but there were 6 6 people very hard to make that balanced you know especially when you have like a person saying 2 plus 2 is 5 and you have 6 people rearing to respond to that you just get all at the same time and you just finished it to the point of it being at least entertaining yeah alright next one James Moore rags another profile picture how many do you have 10 trillion 10 trillion there's the answer by the way howdy everyone hello we did it guys eFap 40 all hail the toxic brood all hail dawn and then here's another donation from the profile Shrek2 with nothing to say Shrek2 Shrek2 Shrek2 good to see you boys back the dawn is pleased yes hashtag Miranda Cosgrove for Captain Marvel you don't know who Miranda Cosgrove is okay is she an actress time to be what has she been in she's been in Despicable Me too iKali's tv show I guess school of rock oh was she the girl school of presentations alright I mean I don't I don't mind I think anybody might be an improvement over over cheese what was it cheese theft that was it cheese theft I'll do it I'll play Captain Marvel fuck it from Creamy Sheaf from Creamy Sheaf you guys seen Cinema Sin's Captain Marvel vid I think the only person who might have is Sin okay so what do you think Jack it was really really bad like Cinema Sin's no Cinema Win's wait sorry there's one point where he talks about how it's really great that two women have a conversation in the MCU so clarification Creamy Sheaf's question was apparently about Cinema Sin's not Win's has anyone seen Sin's Cinema Sin's video that was one I was talking about okay I thought you were talking about wait so Cinema Sin's said that it's great that two women have a conversation two women have a conversation and they're not they're not bad characters which they are but one of them is but I thought the whole thing was about him criticising the film he says that's a good thing yeah but sometimes he takes Sin's off and it's like oh it's like you know it's about time two women had a conversation in the MCU and tried to think of times that you are strong is it supposed to be like a joke or is it for realsies like it's about time two strong female characters had a conversation in the MCU and I tried desperately to think of another time that two strong female characters had a conversation to you but couldn't so never mind I guess it comes down to what you consider to be a strong female character what other woman conversations are there in the MCU I guess I'd have to go film by film and then recant myself with them like for example this one I immediately think of is when the girl who's trying to prove that Tony Stark's a bad person who ends up sleeping with him talks to Peppermint Potts that's probably the earliest two girls talking to each other scene in Iron Man I think yes and I don't know if you'd call either of them strong female characters that's fine with me but one of them is hell bent on proving that Iron Man is a phony and the other one works for him who turns out to be a hero himself I don't know I think there's an argument to be yes when Chats highlighted Gamora and Nebula have spoken to each other that's the thing oh yeah oh yeah there we go I don't know interesting conversation I suppose but yeah what about cinema wins this video have you seen that no it's only part one that's the part that blows me away oh hey Solar Sans is in the chat I've watched your videos who dat? Solar Sans Solar Sans like S-A-N-S or S-A-N-D-S S-A-N-D-S Sands some words you have to say in American for them to understand J you just have to pronunciate better pronunciate even your English, language and Glando that's what you're supposed to say what does Solar Sans do J the videos of his live scene are the ones where he like if I'm thinking of the right channel you love his videos but you can't remember who he is I've said I've seen the videos if I was Solar Sans you seemed really excited if I was Solar Sans I would be extremely offended and I would announce J if I was Solar Sans kick J I would announce that J needs to be good job J good job EFAP gaming Left 4 Dead when also you're awesome that is honestly the placeholder for the next EFAP gaming it's just that we don't necessarily plan these things out it'll happen but we like playing Left 4 Dead so that'll probably happen for sure maybe definitely hello gentlemen hello chip chip ble how would you do hello went to Galaxy's Edge at best a C as part of DL also wonder how Quinton feels for saying milkshakes are okay now what has happened to Andy Neal do you know how to pronounce that properly N go on you yeah okay so for anyone who doesn't know they have apparently upgraded their milkshakes to involve quick drying cement which is scary very scary because that shit getting in your eyes can cause you major issues so the idea that people are like lol milkshakes are okay is now controversial it's almost like the thing that was obviously going to happen that we said was going to happen happened very quickly yeah and this is the thing you might be like oh you're taking a political side with this I'm against violence as a whole how about you just don't assault people and you might be like how the fuck is throwing a milkshake at someone violence it's like I don't know you're hitting them with an object yeah like I think that's fair to I think most people would agree with that don't throw milkshakes at people also don't throw acid at people quick drying cement at people I think that we can all agree on that at this point right don't throw at people don't throw things at people you don't like unless it's like confetti or it prevents them from fucking killing somebody at that point maybe do it let's be reasonable yeah not a good sign also as for galaxy's edge well now hold on well now Jay you say that but you're a privileged white male who doesn't have to deal with the oppression that interstellar galactic gods have to deal with but I said it is okay damn wow and as for galaxy's edge I don't know anything about it outside of it being an attraction to do with star walls that didn't perform as well as they wanted question mark that's really meh I've heard the drinks machines I've heard the drinks machines they have have got all the names of the names of what the names of the different drinks written in arabish what oh if you type in galaxy's edge the first story that pops up is why is galaxy's edge so empty a few reasons it's bad happy fourth of dawn everybody I don't know happy fourth of dawn what is it the fourth e-fap after dawn was incepted that could be it that's probably it thank you molla please say ze warudo ze warudo that means but thanks love you yes thank you hey molla I went back and played soma a few more times the last few weeks thanks for doing the series on soma and amnesia regarding horror content have you watched the film lake mundo and cube I've seen cube I haven't seen lake mundo I quite like the idea of cube I watched cube 2 it was a little bit disappointing but um yeah I don't know I'm always interested in the idea that people have been kidnapped and they wake up in a mysterious circumstance that is almost supernatural and they have to work together to defeat it and they end up getting killed one by one who doesn't love that premise see nobody denied it so everyone loves it that's how I um oh shit the drinker is here yo critical drinker one vodka bottle in two more to go just for you back to drinking this is it he would have appreciated that had he been able to stay for the alright I'll listen to this throughout the week yeah people have been saying they really want an e-fap I was like well let's be good for anybody who needs we're up to nine hours I think right now is it six and a half plus two so it's eight and a half we're gonna beat the 11 hour record we might it depends on how many of these super chats are like questions and stuff for example can't wait for more Nazi vampires rags we might be doing an episode tomorrow because Sargon isn't going to be able to be here Wednesday maybe the fuck is Nazi vampires you haven't told me about this oh yeah I'm we're doing a campaign on Arch Warhammer's channel like a vampire the mass grave where we're we're Nazi vampires don't you know that's racist yes but we're soldiering on anyway well if you'll do it because it's our coverage I think that was in reference to covering the doom video maybe talking about Harris promoting terrorism against they wanted us to talk about Harris promoting terrorism against Neo I always feel like I'm pronouncing that wrong so as far as I know H-Bomber Guy put out a tweet saying like stop complaining that they throw milkshakes at you like sort of thing and then once he found out that they'd beaten the shit out of him he did eventually say that that's a bad and you couldn't do that it was in Sitch's video like H-Bomber Guy was an asshole for not recognizing the potential flaws but he did end up saying like yeah okay this is bad this shouldn't happen what has happened so I don't want to say that he has no fucking humanity at all because he does acknowledge that you got a tiny shred eventually after people start getting you know since an ER it'll come out in a tiny way why can't we just revert all the way back to don't assault people why can't we just stick there no matter what your politics are no because we have to bash the Fash and if the Fash happens to be gay Asians then well damn it throw bricks at him did you guys know that Don now plays guitar for Judas Priest he changed his name to Andy Sneep so the villainous Captain Marvel can't find him don't tell us she might know yeah I was gonna say what the fuck you're revealing it rags play an amazing game called Fallout 76 Royal it's gonna be a maybe for me dog everyone's gonna want you to cover it after you rags it's gonna be amazing when does it start is it already out I actually don't have no idea maybe somebody in chat does I'll keep an eye on it would you be willing to add Ben down from play the game and hit records to your ever growing list of potential guests I have no idea who that is or what those programs are so all I'll say is that we're open to any guest pretty much so maybe would you be interested in hearing you discuss oh would be interested in hearing you discuss Will building and storytelling with him again sure we're really not against any potential guest the sad fact of evap is this usually once per week and we have a bazillion guest we want to get on and so eventually and people to get on again for example we've had we need to get pipeman and cynic snacks on for their repeat viewings you know because we've had CJ twice got to get the two other members of the Great British podcast on again otherwise this is just an evil we're bad people if we don't that'll be sorted out of it gonna have Goliath on soon oh absolutely he's very desperate apparently we've misrepresented him that's what he made a video about it he was very upset I don't know what that he's gonna actually he's gonna have to take that up with cynic snacks because he's the one who was yeah yeah so evap is live oh cool I'm awake for this each do me to him it looks terrible grabs BFG right where is he I mean honestly and this is this is me being very as much as generous I can be the guy seemed to say that he would have he wanted to revise his video and a lot of his points wouldn't necessarily as expanded as he wanted them to be he said he enjoyed what he heard of evap so that's good he really liked Bayowins art as well again I love the idea that we're adding people to our list of potential enemies turned friendlies we're adding we adding members to the toxic brood yes it expands this better be long I need something to listen to at work tomorrow see that's the sad thing it is long but you won't be able to listen to it as long as it's blocked it's gonna be blocked for at least a month yeah it's bad according to the YouTube algorithm a it's gonna be really depressing if this thing doesn't get unblocked and I can't download it because that means that I'm gonna we're gonna be doing the next evap before I can even get this one out which if it's blocked you you can still play it for yourself you can record your screen and play it we'll we'll figure something out guys don't panic don't panic everybody how does Duke look terrible I'm legitimately curious it looks like game of the year material like its previous game well you you found out it was a very satisfying answer was it not chugging a beer in honor of the critical drinker and clicking on this stream within the first five minutes of uploading well he drank a lot and so did I it was wonderful I only had one year I I brought it back with me I brought a beer back with me to drink for evap because I don't I don't have any here with me at the house right now you should always have a backup spirit in your house Rex I do it's in the freezer but I don't want to climb up there freezer yeah up what hang on you keep your spirits in the freezer and your your freezer is up somewhere yeah the freezer is up the top part of the I will admit really tall yeah what I've found watching a lot of American meteors the freezes are typically above the fridge rather than below what the fuck I know yeah yeah we don't do that that way we we don't live like savages the free we don't have to the fridge and it's below the fridge ours is about half the size of the fridge too and it's above we don't I think I I don't think we access our freezer as much as the fridge so we want our he goes see the reason the oh okay so here's the thing about that you know there's a there's a separator between the freezer and the fridge right so it doesn't matter if he goes up especially if the whole I would argue side is the same temperature basically so when you put the freezer below the fridge it pushes the fridge to be at standing level with you and that's why it's useful because you typically access the fridge far more than the freezer so you'd kneel for the freezer while you would stand for the fridge but if you do it the American stand for the fridge here yeah well you might not depending on the sizes I guess if you're really tall I am six foot five sir also okay so rags you keep your spirits in your freezer why they don't freeze what I have in there right now is wild turkey that's not a real drink that's an animal yeah wild turkey wild turkey I haven't had a turkey in my freezer for a long time oh my god wild turkey is an actual drink what the fuck is wrong with you people yeah it's really good it's a wild turkey American honey is what I really like it's really smooth do you like cook a turkey to the degrees that it turns into a liquid is that how that works what yeah that's why it's brown you once you squeeze when you squeeze down a turkey turn it into just sure that's not just its pee no no no no that ain't no turkey pee you squeeze the turkey down into a liquid and then you add alcohol to it and then just just squirt it into a bottle and then you freeze it and then you enjoy it at holidays and special occasions I'd love to try it if ever I get to visit your eggs it's actually really good I really like it because it's very smooth and I don't like strong spirits I enjoy it because it doesn't freeze it's in the freezer it doesn't freeze Mark Alcatraz said Mueller is so stupid that feel when you take me seriously when I ask if it's made from a real ant yes he really thought that what we do here in America is we go out to the woods and catch wild animals is people telling me I'm wrong about how it's constructed fucking hell check come on catch up you can't kill just men Brie and then Brie responds is that a personal attack or something I think that's in response to a theoretical filming of that deleted scene where she actually basically confirms that we should kill the dawn I think that would be reasonable and they're like Brie Brie Brie Brie Brie we can't kill him cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese can't wait for Abrams to recreate the dark night when I saw it in theaters it was all practical and real and you knew it and that's what Batman is real does Abrams have any connection to Batman right now I don't Batman isn't real yes he is he's in Gotham Wolf is Batman I like to talk about it oh you should probably shouldn't have said that publicly you know what's nice by the way despite the fact that the first part of this EFAB has been obliterated the second part won't be because there's barely anything to be claimed by anybody so you have this didn't you say there were more memes to look at oh we looked at them there's only there's one more meme video that we can check out but I might save it now because wolf's not here and I like wolf some give me a second wolf and rags to be here for me I'm here but wolf isn't and I save memes for both of you one out of two is pretty fucking good as the manager I say it's okay you can't no I gotta be like just show everybody comes back no okay we wait for wolf I don't even remember how that meme started I don't either how you became manager but you did there's several memes where you're the manager so you have to own it take my money thanks for hours of entertainment no problem Tom hooray binged watch Joseph Anderson just to feel pissed off my god he's AIDS tier molla please for him again we can't really cover Joseph unless he does like a concept video if he's doing a review of a game it has to be the me wolf and rags are aware enough of the game to be able to prove him wrong he has to actually be wrong about the game but if he does something in concept like let me tell you why the horror genre sucks we can absolutely rip it apart but it's gonna be a lot that had never happened before I don't think when he actually made that video so I'll have to wait until he does that again or is a game that we've all played which is again relatively unlikely I think he's an interesting fellow I might end up doing his subnautica video but I'm gonna watch it and then maybe do it do it bing update finally watched the lord of the rings again after 8 years and I bored like a F-A-G he has to separate it out because you know at the end of the return of the king good to know I still have feelings also no country for old men is fantastic k-bye jay hasn't seen that no wait I have I have I've just remembered I have you have seen that I have actually how long time ago though did you think jay tell the audience I barely remember it it did not affect me very much I like that it's like no guys jay did see it you're like oh great what did you think I don't remember it oh well no country for old men is awesome if you can prove a film show or game is objectively bad are you entitled to a refund well the entitlement to a refund changes based on what country you're in because there are right that's like the only thing that entitles you to a refund I don't know if you're talking about morally or legally because again morally would just be basically down to every person's definition of what should entitle you to a refund but um typically and rags you can answer this in America isn't it like are you entitled to a refund essentially if you think that you've been treated awfully and argue it relatively soundly I know that's pretty much how it works in Britain so let's say you're in a restaurant and you get given a perfectly fine meal by any standard but you gag on it and throw it up and then you go this was disgusting I demand a refund is it likely you'd get a refund for it um generally in restaurants since that's a fairly uncommon thing for most normal people to do you probably will because they want you to come back essentially so and yeah but I don't think you're owed one I don't think legally yeah no that's the thing morally and legally you might not be but so my experience in the toy store worked in for a while they told us and this is this is the big shame of retail they told us that once the customer makes enough noise shut them up by giving them a refund and that's really bad as a precedent because it just encourages people to be fucking out oh fucking hell they can do whatever they want I don't work in retail anymore but please for the god remember that there are people that work behind those registers people okay they could be you the ones I actually recommend everyone working a tough retail job before doing anything in life just so you can be humbled by the fact that it's fucking horrible to work in a really rough retail job yeah retail can be rough service industries can they have their moments I used to I wanted retail for three hours does that count I used to so when I used to run the twitch stream before I did any youtube reviews and there used to be a meme on my stream that whenever I ran it it's because it used to be between one and four hours for every other day and so my fans would be like have you any more work stories I used to have loads of work stories I have a favorite but I feel like I should probably not tell because we've got loads of super chats right now but I mean we're pretty long on eFap right so it wouldn't matter oh man bad I'm curious now so you guys know what are they called fuck wrap it up already get to the point the Funko Pop dolls right yes I do so we had a I was in charge of the software department and for some fucking reason they gave us the Funko Pops because I guess they connected to media and software is typically a lot of media but we had to take charge of them we had this huge stand of them and we also had a security guard because every store should have a security guard up we actually got him installed because someone tried to run away with a ps4 and our manager had to tackle them it was the most fucking hilarious thing you've ever seen we got a security guard and so these these this couple came up to to my till because I was in charge of software I had only been working there for three months and I was put in charge you're in charge of like the software department yeah which is the most like it was ridiculous it was a really really really bad situation I try to be vague about it because I don't want to put anyone in trouble but it was terrible I shouldn't have been in charge but I was the best person to be put in charge because of how bad the turnover was there so I was just doing my dailies and then I saw these this couple come up to the stand with all the Funko Pops and they just start taking them all out onto the floor and like the entire stand and I was just looking at them like that's odd behavior I'm talking like a hundred of Funko Pops they're