So I will call the meeting to order at one minute after five And I guess what I would like to do is not finalize our select board goals But if for no other reason than to fill up some of our time that we've got here until the planning commissioner arrives at 530 Presuming Duranda doesn't have 25 minutes worth of material. I have two topics, but they're not long ones. Okay. All right So I would suggest we throw out some ideas Okay, get them in the minutes and Sarah what would be helpful is and I meant to ask you when I talk to you today and I forgot I already mailed you today, but do you have last year's goals? Yeah But we can review all the things we didn't do last year before we start off When I didn't have time to do which I will definitely do is Do a side-by-side between that You read that by itself and it starts to sound like isn't that what we did the last time I know there've been a lot of changes And maybe that what I'm gonna ask them to do tonight is highlight this significant change I mean I read through the entire thing and I didn't Compare it right I didn't the other one, but I didn't oh there's a couple little questions I have in there, but nothing. No, it didn't look it didn't look horrible to me. I mean it looked so whatever Sandy did to get this thing spit out in a very cruel start because I Know there was a lot of groundwork done before but yeah getting the damn thing In draft format is no small thing. No Lot of that is the consultant on legal paper that must have We actually did during the organizational meeting last year wasn't that organized of us All right, well, that's because we probably had you like to would you like to read them sure they're right there Thank you number one In consultation with the emergency management coordinator to establish a shelter at the Romney school Well, that should still be on there because it isn't climbing or we've moved down the road, but we're not there yet We're pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think we should keep that as a Have that finalized it's pretty darn close. So I would say in yeah finalized emergency management At the Romney school Downgrade those roads we did that Upgrade five-year capital plan. I don't think we ever really did that We talked about it, but we never really did it. I'm not aware that we ever really did it Passing the new town plan you damn sure didn't do that Excuse me Working with a middle-sex volunteer fire department to establish emergency management headquarters at the Welch Park fire station I think that is mostly complete. Yeah, that's our that's our main emergency Right communication facility Steve's house is the backup I've got heat and water in my garage Consider presenting to the town voters in 2019 a sliding scale of delinquent tax fees To take into account how long taxes have been delinquent Well, it's a sliding scale anyway Half a percent a month, right? Does anybody remember what our thought was on that? I Don't well, but it up for some reason right so we should bring it up again just to see Do we have a lot of Maybe then and then the new tax payment plan passed didn't it? Yeah, so that might help to In terms personally not there Yeah, but I don't think we want to start saying it's half a percent for the first year one percent for the second year One and a half percent for that. I don't think our computer system would have the ability to do that You don't want to bring it up with the other two in case that was Murray's thing Okay, scratch it. So what have we got for new stuff? I Think we need to explore And I don't know what it would look like but some sort of either repairs on the town hall or A new town hall and what would exploration look like I mean we can add it to it But to me that's the five-year capital plan, you know, what are we what are the renovations to the right? We do about though like like actually doing something about the you know, so for example The ADA compliance here like I had to use the elevator this past weekend and it was like the person that's actually walked downstairs to use the elevator and That just had to do with I don't know what you couldn't get The snow yeah, there was the snow and the ice and all that so I mean there's just things that like I feel like we should Instead of just it's you know talking about oh, we need to have a plan of still when it's gonna happen Right, so because we're gonna get I mean we're gonna get if we're not careful We're gonna get trapped into putting a new elevator in this building and that's a mistake That's like a waste of money if we're not gonna stay here. Yeah, I mean I still there's gotta be some way And I honest to God I I tried to get that guy in my clutches one day, and he evaded me, but There's gotta be some way for some reason I mean I would replace every relay and every switch and every control box on that goddamn elevator. There's nothing wrong with a Basic mechanical part of the thing. It's all it's all the controls. Yeah, and then protect that doorway some way so You know it opens and closes correctly So two things that we know about this building are that the elevator is an issue and then the vault and these are those are two difficult sort of things to Tackle aren't they in terms of like cost-effectiveness. Well They're expensive and if all you're gonna do it is because you're gonna turn around and sell a building in a year or demolish it or Whatever we're gonna do that makes no sense Um Sarah when I was here the other day in the elevator guy was here And he said it's an electrical problem that we should be talking to our electrician He was talking about the light problem that we have. Oh, we can't make the light the elevator work Okay, so switch for that light. Okay, so it was strictly related to the light That's actually a problem that the one when little sex lifter came in to change the lights Would you please address the light bulb at the top there and he said well ask your elevator guy Because I can't find where that switch is for that light right here in the hallway Right here in the hallway, and it's also upstairs. It's a three-way switch. Yes. It is. Well, you can find it No, no, no, the problem is the probably the bulb is burned out so you can't tell you said the bulb was fine It's not we we've been all through this. We've we went all around I'm telling you here. I had okay. Would you just would you just do me a favor? Yes call up The queen of the elevator Cindy Carlson and say where is the switch or email? Or where is the switch for the light in the elevator? She will know okay? And if not, I will flip every switch in the stand building until I figure out which one it is But I'm telling you did that and so they don't I'm telling you well then it's a bit It's a band circuit breaker or something. I mean the light can't be rocket science. That's simple. I know right? Yes So this is what I think our goal should be for this year To the two-fold one is to have a professional person come in here and determine What would need to get done to make improvements on the place? So that one it doesn't flood to that there's a vault three that the elevators fixed or We also price out a new building and well at least to have something that we can say to people This is these are our choices. I don't know that we need to hire a professional to come in here and tell us what they think I think that The five of us can come up with what we need to do and then you hire the professionals the design or whatever but Or to come up with the Prices, but I don't know that we need professionals to right whatever We need to like have something that we can present Just back up for a minute one minute. Yes What's our Endgame goal My endgame goal is to sell us. I am not interested in renovating this So having some rough numbers about what it potentially could cost to help sell the new building Yes, I'm all for that but going into a detailed Really detailed thing about you know how you expand the ball. We've got a proposal to replace the elevator. We know what that is You know, are we gonna look into You know putting the vault upstairs so the whole town clerk's office could be upstairs That's something we talked about over the years But basically what you have to do to do that is Build what amounts to virtually a whole vault down here because you have to pour a complete foundation and then pour the vault on top of that foundation so you're gonna have a You know, you're gonna have the old vault here Then you're gonna have whatever the extension of it is in concrete out here and You know, that's a big deal expensive So yeah, we can get some we can get some rough numbers, but I mean what what I What we need to do is say, okay, our goal is to have this project done in Three years four years five years. I don't know what it is But you know, it's gonna take us at least a year if not more to get our act together sell it to the voters a Good portion of a year to build assuming we're building a new building building the new building You know, then we got to turn around and sell this building or this whole establishment here if that's what the If that's what the plan is but I'm not sure that ball can last five years. What that ball can't last five years It's gonna have to last some period of time because these things don't happen overnight no matter how fast we're trying to Build is they don't build an addition in the school within a year They've had floated a bond and you know, just November or December and there was there was construction being started that spring I'm just saying that we're you've already got financial records in the closet around the corner and that is not right They need to be in the vault Well, whatever the timeline is we need to agree on what the timeline is and We need to put together some numbers as to what the bond is gonna look like and what the effect on this You know all the stuff like it sounds like this Goals for the select board is gonna be happen finish happening at our next meeting when we have all I would hope so yes The other part of this is as much as it sounds like it's all about this building. It isn't all about this building.  What do we do to renovate did the New town garage ha ha new town garage and the old town garage Yeah, we need to spend some money on those babies to lower a lot of all comes into that capital plan That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so I think I mean how we word it and exactly what our timeline is I think we need to talk about and put it down and I agree I mean it I can tell you one thing if we say it's gonna be five years. It'll be seven years So let's say two years and then it will be three and a half We could settle that we could settle out at our next meeting that I mean to say that to say that and on town meeting day of 2021 we're gonna have a dedication of the new renovated Yeah, in the meantime though with those goals we can come up with some things that really have to be done in this building To get it sail ready Just whatever the access well to make it one of the two years Well, we need to we need to get somebody who can Deal with that elevator and make it work, and I'm not saying I'm There aren't that many relays and controls to that thing. It's a simple thing replace them They're all 25 years old it costs a couple of thousand bucks to replace them replace every single one of them Yeah, it's not just on the elevator is that those steps don't work in the winter and then after winter like this looks arrow We're not I'm talking about in other access as well. I understand but If our goal is to make this building saleable We don't have to cover those steps, which is what we should have done when we put in the Walter Kelly concrete steps Was to put a roof over that that would have solved that we should have at least a cricket type roof Over this entry way for the elevator out here to keep the ice and snow away from it Which is half the problem why the door won't Goal Well, okay, so goal number goal number two is to do what we need to do to make the town hall Usable and accessible for the next two years And also make it create value at sales time that makes sense Now what do what do we say about the? the garage Of the thing we ought to bulldoze. I don't know what to say about that right now. I mean we're gonna take a hard look at that The town brush It's bad. We bought a cheap You know pre fab pre do it building and we're paying the price for that now, you know it needs Everything poorly insulated The metals failing in spots You know, it's bad I'll try to come up with some stuff I mean all I'm all I'm saying is there's a good chance that if somebody really looked at that They'd say what you should do is get rid of that building they the the pre constructed metal buildings are a lot better than they Used to be put up a new one. Well, and then that Brings us to the town clerk. Maybe they're combined, you know Well, I think it would be an educational experience for the time clerk to use the same facilities that the road crew use It's not out of the realm of reality. Oh yeah What to have I'm just I'm just saying I I mean I the things can be connected, right? That's what I mean. No, no connected is one thing, you know sharing the heating system whatever now But I'm just telling you I bet I bet if we got a Architects less engineer type person to look at that building. They'd say you know what save the garage doors Save the cement. There's nothing wrong with that And I don't know what a bill I mean, it's easy enough to find out what a building like that would cost pretty simple to get a price on that Yeah But we should at least look at that while we're looking at this other stuff. So what have we got so there's There's there's a lot of work to be done, but there isn't you know It's going to be people going out and getting information and getting back to us In terms of operations Our computer system is We hope up to snuff now, right? We're in a good place with our photocopier and all our other stuff lease blah blah blah nothing to be done there Yeah It's done it's done, but I'm just trying to think of other Things other than the expanding the vault ish in which we're well aware of What do you think about? Durinda How are you feeling about like the hours that you're putting in you feel like you're doing some volunteer time? for your treasury hours, I'm just comparing like You know What callus pays their treasurer versus what we pay our treasure and the amount of work like I mean I just want to make sure that we're not sure changing you for the work Well, I don't know. I'm assuming callus probably their treasurer does the book even side of it as well I'm happy. Okay down the road. I don't know if the next person will be but okay I mean I've got you know But we do have the problem of patty probably will be gone by the end of the year, okay? And I certainly do not want that position nor do I feel it's a good idea I think we got a great check and balance Yeah, I would like to see it continue that way. Oh, I agree. So Depending on Wowsers, yeah, well patty's on vacation. Oh, there you go It's a good way to save money. Don't pay any bills So while we have five or six minutes here I know you've got a couple of things you want to talk about like one of them We fall under your goals and I brought it up once before is we talked about changing How we track the vacation Sip time. Yeah, so I think that should be on the agenda Um, that's one of the goals to readdress the personnel policy for that Yeah Yeah That had to do with how it was personal doubt like based on there Right, yeah, it's like what we do now work during the winter when we do what we do now is they get all their vacation in one chunk, right Anyway, yes, we think that should be you know And then it would go on their paycheck on a regular basis And they would go right on track all the time. They'll be tracked all the time and it'll be tracked on a regular basis. Yeah Which is good to get in place Before somebody else comes on Yeah The other thing we intend to do which I talked to patty about before she left was We're changing we're gonna try to change the chart of accounts to accommodate the way we're tracking all the highway expenses So that will be extra time and that will have to be spent for doing that But you'll get a lot more information out of it So that was so do we do we know Patty's plan as far as we know is to be going by the end of the year so the calendar year Our plan would be to hire somebody in the fall so they can be trained by her, correct I would say you're gonna need and then they'll still be things that only get done once a year that you know, hopefully In her training that she can train them as to how that's handled because it probably won't come about And they'll forget it by the time it comes and then they're gonna forget it by the time they come out So there should be some kind of You know, there's got to be some good notes taken because to be honest with you I don't even know how to do a lot of it and Municipal accounting which I'm finding out is completely different cat. Yeah, it is so now presumably presumably there is training Available through the state, right?  So is that they provide that they provide that backup so between Patty and Nimrick We can get it so Two months I was I would say you probably would want them here for a full quarter at least You know and you're not talking a lot. You're talking it one day a week, you know, that he's only here Maybe eight hours a week or something like that. So it's not a huge but of course it's gonna slow her down When you have to show everybody what they're doing and then when she has to sit there and have the other person do it Everything goes slower, but I mean she's good enough at what she does now that I Don't see that being a big obstacle So The other thing I would say about that is for all of us to keep our eyes out For a person boy everybody's looking for good bookkeepers. That's for darn sure but there were a lot of part-time Bookkeepers out there. The question is can we find a part-time bookkeeper who has already worked on never that would be ideal and that would be the and possibly You know there's a great System through what is it called the where you write to all your fellow? Yeah Association they also they're good. That's there. It's like a great resource you send something out and they'll even Send you a treasure who's we retire to come in and swim in and fill in. Yeah, we had to do that up in orange So, yeah, well ideally we're not gonna have a filling person No, but but I'm saying that they may know somebody that is sure somebody's working Somebody's working two days a week in East Montpelier, and then we're looking for another day or you know, whatever it is that would be The perfect scenario What else have we got quickly for tonight? for tonight No for goals I'll go through all the minutes for last year and see if anything popped up every once in a while You guys will say you know just like to address something I think there was something that we had to do with the conservation commission if I recall But maybe maybe they're good I Like the new lights. It's nice and bright in here. They're good. What a difference The warm LEDs. No Propulsion drop like a rock Cut that out of the budget. Okay. Well, I think that's I think that's a good start I mean we you know we always come up with all these things and then we We don't ever seem to have time to deal with them But I think the capital plan is the is the big thing your your you know adjustment to the way we do now Ideally We would want to start the new Whatever we're gonna call it timekeeping system July 1st, right start up with a conjunction with a fiscal. Well, no because the way it's handled right now is The new the new hours have been traditionally handed out in May, I believe So I think it's something you should address sooner than later so we can get it because otherwise Employees are gonna be expecting That starting in May now we need to communicate with them because if we don't do it if we don't do it I mean, there's never a good time to do it. I don't you know you got to go through a transition So if we if we have to give people their existing vacation and then start accruing it like say, okay You're you're getting your 10 days or whatever is which is supposed to be for the whole year And you normally get it in May. Well now you're gonna get Six days in May and the other six days are gonna be pro-rated out over the rest of the year And then you're gonna be in the new world, right or something like that, right? And I think what you need to address is how much in advance they can borrow like to address the Friday's oh and during the transition right you have to say, you know We'll allow you to go into the hole just gotta work out in the end We're not trying to you know if you have a cave you're planning to take your family to Disney World And you need every vacation day for for June because that's when you're going or July or whenever it is and into this new system You're not gonna have it. Well Yeah, and it's nothing different than you're not already doing really we've got one person that is negative in the hole on Sick time or something like that. So we I mean we we work it out No, but I think I think rather than Having them get a paycheck with some kind of new screwy information on it or heaven forbid not get Reimbursed for a vacation that they were counting on we just it's all about the communication. Yeah, that's what it is And Steve and I do such a good job of talking to the road crew. They love those meetings with us Yeah, we got another one coming right away We do yeah, what's that about? Oh Okay, it's a discussion. Okay. Well, yeah, and we promised them we were gonna meet with them once a year. Yeah behind so we need to do that Anything else anybody Okay, are you gonna do these goals for the next meeting? Which is next week Second next week next week next week You're right, you're right. I keep every Tuesday. I have a meeting or an election. That seems to be a pattern So it is on the second. Yeah, okay Is it the second and then we're back to the first and the third?  No, I haven't been in the sun yet. Okay I was about to put you on the spot No, we can I'll do my treasure report sure I think there are others coming. Okay Um, I just wanted to bring and I don't know if there's really falls under treasure report But I just want it in the record and you guys to be aware that prior to town meeting Janet McKinstree Contacted the person at Edwards Jones to get information from him about them being taken off the account and He said that told her that legally he couldn't talk to her That you know that her name wasn't on the account to do that Again, she contacted him after town meeting and Said she wanted a letter from him in writing saying Under what circumstances their name was taken off? the The ability to be on the account So I just want you guys. I mean it has nothing to do with me I don't know if you want to call the meeting with the Cemetery Commission but the gentleman at Edward Jones is I mean he's kind of he says I can't legally speak to her and I think he's kind of getting upset that You know not upset. She has such a friendly tone of voice. He's concerned that he's continuing to get these phone calls So she gets reports right he gets this monthly statement the Edward Jones statement so What she's upset about is that her name isn't on the account that's what she's fun about well She's she's an interested party, but he can't discuss anything other Then she gets this he can't talk to her about Who made changes if any were made if they're on why? I mean it really boils down to why her name was taken over as I think it makes sense to invite them back. I mean, I think that there was some tension It was yeah, and I don't think there's a clear understanding of what transpired And I don't think it was clear made clear During town meeting because I'll tell you that after the meeting I had people come up to me and With the impression that there was something funny going on. Yeah, and well, of course, that's what she's telling everybody That's not what she was telling everyone but it was it was it wasn't it was implied that And we didn't talk about it because it wasn't your main to that I had hoped when me we met with them the last time that they understood What was what and they maybe weren't happy but they were accepting of it well clearly Janet He's not and she is not gonna let this go so how we and I don't think having another meeting is gonna help But I think we should but I think I'm all for having a meeting But I but I want to have a plan as to what the resolution of this is like is there a way for her to be able to I mean she has no authority and will have no authority to make any changes to that account, but There's no reason she can't ask him questions I have no problem with her asking him questions like why why did this change? Why didn't this change? You know whatever Her role is the way I see it and the way I've seen it I tried to tell her that is if that Cemetery Commission thinks there's some change that needs to make that account They should come to us and we should say yeah, that sounds like a good idea or no It doesn't one of the other we should work on it together. Yeah, I agree. I mean I'm I'm I Don't want her to be writing any checks or have any you know direct control, but in terms of getting information I thought she'd be happy getting the statements. I mean she should be able to tell anything she needs from those statements. Yeah, I Mean, I don't know what she's gonna ask this guy that that isn't there in the statements, but You know darn well, she's not gonna call up Darinda and ask her a question about the statement She sure as hell isn't gonna call me out I have to come up with something for a concrete plan Well, I guess I guess the question is and maybe this is a question for Halpert Is is there a way for us to give her the authority to Talk to Edward Jones to get information gathering only yes any person from this any Person should be able to call Edward Jones and ask them because it's taxpayer money It's public money, right, but he is not he is not accepting that well. Yeah, well, he's I Don't know if that's necessarily the case. There's legal rent. I mean it's all confidential Not but she's on the cemetery reality to talk about if you're not an authorized signer on a gallery There's a confidentiality issue. I disagree. I think that it's I think it's public money It's public money, but it still comes down to this She can't make any decisions, but if I wanted to call up and just say hey Where's that money going? I would expect that Edward Jones would be able to give me a printout And I should be able to have well then I guess the question comes back to Asking Edward Jones if we can put something in writing that he can discuss it with any citizen or something like that The board wants me to contact Halpert make sure that I would contact Halpert But he's just going by what he is legally bound that he can't it's no different than I wouldn't know No, I was trying to go on the account. No, I understand Yeah, I'm just thinking that he's not used to dealing with me miss Pall. He's like that. He's just not familiar with that I mean remember he didn't I mean she should be as a member of the I mean I don't know I don't know about having having Joe citizen Call up and asking questions. Why not but well, maybe why not but for a for an elected member of the Cemetery Commissioner an elected member of the select board or the treasurer or the town clerk to ask a question He should be able to answer those questions Yeah, so I mean I want to when we I agree we need to meet with them But I want to have a solution which I think might solve the problem before we just meet with them Because all she's going to come in here is saying all the same stuff. She said before you stole my money We want to yes, yes, we do Okay We're all here.  It's a joint it's like board and planning Commission meeting and I mostly wanted to meet with the select board to go over our Provide an update of our work on updating the town plan and most importantly to look at this schedule, which I apologize, it's somewhat incomprehensible but to Let's start to Adopt a new town plan requires no less than five hearings all with their own notice Requirements, which is why it takes four months from the start of when you've got like a draft done to the time it can actually be adopted and Specifically select board has a role to play. I'm not going to remember all of this precisely But basically we go through our process have a public have a final draft have a public hearing Get input on that make any changes We adopt a town plan We then hand it off to the select board and the select board can make changes But we're we are removed from it at that point. You all can make changes, but we also have but you also have to have a public hearing So what I you know, I'll cut to the chase what I was hoping is that we could sort of have something of a combined Process that keeps the select board informed with what we're doing so that you're not in the dark And when we hand it off to you there's big changes in store from the select board's point of view I don't know how you'd like to do that if you want to have one or two select board members work with being Kept up to date on the planning commission if you all what you know what we're doing going forward It's a fairly tight schedule But I think ideally to the extent we can by the time the planning commission has a Has a final draft if that's close if the select board has reviewed it at that time and Feels comfortable with it or can provide input through that process that would be helpful. It would just avoid going through Additional Changes when it's in in your hands, right? And we we're no longer we no longer manage to do with it I think the key is if you change it after we pass it to you that delays the time it takes to implement the town plan by another Period and that would push us potentially past the September timeline, which is the goal for us to be able to apply for grants What I don't want to do though is I mean You know getting these drafts that you've been sending us out has been great I said the as I said to everybody earlier The piece that I haven't done that I want to do when I will do is sit down with the old town plan in the New template side-by-side. I didn't do that, but I very carefully read through the draft Not the one you sent just last night, but the previous one. So, you know one draft behind, but I Speaking for myself didn't see anything which jumped out at me is I you know, oh my god This is some problem. We have to deal with You know the the the challenge is You know the better the draft the less the changes So what I'm hoping is is you know if they're editorial changes if they're spelling corrections if they're this or that that's fine But if if we're gonna make a major change in the intent of the plan That's when the wheels start to come off the wagon and that's sounds like that's what you'd like to avoid believe me I think that's what we would like to avoid because it's no good and it gets people confused and roiled up and everything else, but I didn't see them Looking around the table there. I didn't see anything to look very controversial in this draft the latest one and I I mean that I Made a couple of little notes, but there was nothing that jumped out at me and I didn't compare you Just jump a little bit last time when we did an update to the zoning bylaws when I was last had the opportunity to Be on the planning commission There was a process by which it was determined that the zoning bylaw recommended changes weren't consistent with the town plan So one of the goals I hope for the town plan is it becomes a product whereby subsequent zoning bylaws are not In consistent with the town plan. So that's just one. Absolutely. It's just one observation Because that's the next you know the next step after this is then we have the fun of moving on to the zoning regulations Which is where if the first gonna fly that's where the brief example of Theo Perseverating over spilled milk. Okay, because that that to me was a huge effort that led to a version of not So I want to avoid that the other thing and just commending you what you said To the extent on the substance of the matter and certainly in the large policy zones. We can't Exert any pressure on the select boards autonomy and governance to say that you can't make a choice subsequent to ours Obviously, you can and I'm repeating what you said, but it would It wouldn't just be about not being able to get grant monies for the feasibility study Which will allow us to build the house of Jackville, but but it's also that the process itself becomes encumbered like you So if it's a possible way where without stretching your limits too much Exactly the way you've just said it that you've read it then we could know you'd be like hey sandy this area here You know, you got to talk about well, I think with that That's you know, that's that's number one is to is to figure out if there's anything Which are gonna be you know, I hate to use the expression deal breakers but a problem where because If we can deal with those things now And and get our compromise made so that that draft that comes to us is Pretty complete and we're already accepting of what's in there You know, who knows we may hear see you know We might hear something in our public hearing that we hadn't none of us had heard before that might cause us to want to Change something. Yes, sure that can happen But if we as the representatives of the town are more or less in agreement on what's in there We've taken a giant step forward and I also think to be able to say to the citizens of the town that You know, we have worked and collaborated on this together And yes, the planning commission created the draft with the help of their consultant, but we reviewed it We've gone over it. We made a few changes, you know, and we're happy with the with the product that goes a long way in terms of Really practical question Could we put what do you guys think about putting this draft or the drafts as you put them on the website? No I think it's a great idea as long as it has a lot of caveats that it's a draft draft draft draft draft I understand that because this is very much a work in project and prompt in process. Yeah, you know There's always getting making sure that you have a public input and you can show that yeah Should anybody challenge the town plan that right from the very echo was out there We invited public input and you could make a meal any comments to see me living Get with an updated date and you know, please read through it because I read through this I found some concerns and I would like to check The citizen you the citizen of me not like the tone of some So To our ears madam chair, but it's what we just heard don't put it on not the notice bar But just this whole I mean that's kind of the biggest thing we were looking for right so when yeah, so let me just review your Yes, so a quick look at the timeline to Where to start with the 424 we got we we have the the draft The 324 320 That's this draft that I shared with yeah with all of you and then we have a meeting next week the full planning Commission will meet and go through this more carefully and Address some of the issues that were that were flagged Then some point during April there will be another Working group it may be a full quorum of the planning commission if so we'll notice it and then we're looking to have the Close to a final draft I think by April 28th and At that point deliver it to the regional planning Commission so they can start their internal review process Yeah, and have a public review of the draft plan. I think we're looking at May 9th public hearing well, we have gotten any response back from the regional planning Commission at that time Because I remember they they came up with some fairly significant changes the last time which Surprised us all I believe okay So I just I don't know how you're working with them anyway We have been working with them, and they have their own process. They said they'll be happy That would be a good thing to double-check, and I will see will we buy may 9th will we have? input from So just observe on that point. Why are you doing that the town consultant that Sandy secured is Knowledgeable about these issues so the idea that she would create something which is wildly off-key with the regional planning Commission I know but yeah, we have you know it's a new world at the region Hopefully the last time we had real problems Okay, that's that's that's good to know and I think it you know was flagged to try to get their input early make sure they get a Draft you know even before The public public review plan so that we could get that input from them, but I just want to be clear I mean if it's a matter of updating data on some of the charts or something. I mean they look at all those charts They look at all that stuff That to me Can be she's working side readily fix that can be fixed I'm not worried about that, but if there's something fundamentally Which has to be added to the town plan which really changes it I? I think we want to know that before we have even your public hearing level Planning Commission public hearing is June 19 official public hearing Yeah, I'm on the back June 19 does that work? Yeah, okay Now is there anything as far as? The statutes that Prohibit us from not having a select board's public hearing No, I think we have to have you know, I'm not saying that I'm I know we have to But is that you want to do this in conjunction you still have to have your hearing, but I would Here I it would be helpful if you could review it as we go along and put earlier But so that's a person I never heard could you coordinate the two public hearings? I don't think so. I think by statute They have we have to do it first and we have to hand it off to them. That's what you're headed for Yeah, but you can do it like the week after but again, you know My hope would be that we can all be in agreement so that we are not the select board isn't making changes at that point in time We've got our public hearing. We may Want some little tweak or something as a result of the public hearing but other than that You know, I just remember the last time we spent a lot of time at the public hearings about you know Should it say well or should it say shall or should it say maybe or you know that kind of stuff? I mean That to me can all be dealt with somehow. There's some compromise that can if that's all it is It's fine, but if it's no fundamentally You guys are taking the town in the wrong direction. That's So back to your schedule. Yeah So I think what we were looking at is having a May 9th sort of an outreach community meeting We would have a fairly Complete draft by then what do folks think it wouldn't be a formal public hearing. We would incorporate any of those into a draft for public review and then notice and then How do you do how are you doing the public review of the draft plan? Is that bite by putting that on the web is that I'm sure someone could have sent it out to her. No, no It's not gonna send it you well see how I talked to what we talked about sending a postcard with the date for the May 9th meeting as well as Survey set up for conversation. Yeah, so I'm looking at you but Yeah, so briefly on this there have been a survey and I'm not Examining the survey for the propriety or accuracy or validity of the question. Okay, there was a survey was put out there It got generated before I well in the interim So I'm looking and asking really whether this like board would wish to Send a postcard reminder both mailing to Before you say absolutely. No, let me just cough it up here Send a post postcard reminder to each citizen that would give them the date of the first Public hearing that would give them the link to the survey as written and Re-energize and be reposted and Mitch could talk about how that would have to happen It's like 40 bucks a month or something or you have to pay some amount to get it back alive But the idea would be send a postcard that says hey come to the public mirroring hearing Here's the link to the survey if you want to take it and if you want a hard copy survey It's available at town hall or at the clerk's office That's simple. That's it. So can you just remind me how many people responded to the survey? We got 263 responses while it was online And you use that for this yeah, so I mean Does it make sense to do the survey again? So here's the thing here's my process pitch I did this in the shower and it's similar to what we were saying when you open the door wide and keep it open as The matter of political process from my humble viewpoint It becomes difficult to say I didn't have a chance or I didn't know about it Or I wasn't afford the opportunity to participate or any reason from my level into benevolent So part of what I want to do is avoid that cacophony So for me saying the survey is available continues to be available if you have an interest in giving input Please do now that begs the question. What meaningful use will we make of the survey if we've already passed our deadline? Well, I think the idea is That at least the way I'm trying to present it is that both matters and doesn't matter So for me what I'd like to be able to say is there wasn't a time where you were foreclosed Even though it was a rigorous timeline that was eyeing a funding opportunity There wasn't a moment where you as a citizen interested were foreclosed from participating in giving input So that's the idea. So my only question is so with that time You have draft, I mean To me at that point if it was me I would be reading the draft I would I would be thinking exactly what you just said they've done the draft Why are they still doing a survey? I'd I'd rather read the survey. It's a little confusing because I think I mentioned this earlier I probably would have forgotten that I took the survey and I would take it again because I take so many surveys I wouldn't I would think this is a different survey. So I've got a couple quick things on these points This is not seeking statistical validity. This is not Seeking a certain end from which you can extrapolate to find these are opinions that people are giving right People that live here. So For me the biggest challenge is and if I was a little feel is what I'm not saying would be the conduit for all these First I don't imagine a fire higher than opening I imagine maybe most people remembering whether they took it or not. And if they didn't so what I'm the only one But I'm seizing on purpose because at the end of the day Well, so what if you say you want the tree or you don't want the tree I mean at the end of the day for me It's it's really a process statement and I'm actually looking you a little bit because I thought this was important to you. So part of what I'm not trying to pass the button But part of what I was trying to do here was find a balance between Well, with what some of the things that you were as I understand it speaking to you You really want people to have a chance to give input. So Theo, let me just ask you this So let's say we open the survey up again and we get another 50 responses And you guys review those responses Do you really think it's likely you're going to go in and make a change to your draft as a result of that? That's what it is but I think we need to do that in time so that people have a chance to review the real draft before I don't want to I don't want you guys to show up at the public hearing and say This is an updated draft from last week We're sorry. What's on the website is incorrect and everybody's there going oh my god But if you well if we have a sort of an outreach to community meeting on may 9th And we don't we haven't yet figured out what we're going to talk at our next meeting What what that's going to look like and how we're going to let people know about one possibility is to send a postcard to folks It's not the formal public hearing. It's You know, here's a draft here's what we're thinking about please provide input reached into the what's next middle sex groups and so on And if that's the deadline for the survey That's when we're going to still be getting input and we have a week after that to incorporate input Okay, that's okay. I just want to be sure that before The public hearing what's on the website is what's going to be discussed at the public hearing That has to be a requirement It has to be a final and then we notice the public hearing and we can't do anything right You can't you know change this right once it gets worn. Yeah, right, right? So just devil advocates on tiny point that it has to be so to the extent you left it open and I'm on the select board Pro I mean, I I just don't imagine someone's going to say Something huge. Maybe they will But the fact that one voice might I agree with you fundamentally I just am really really keen on an open process Yeah, but isn't isn't the word Isn't the word that we want to get out to the community is We want you all to have a chance to be part of this process. Absolutely, right? They're going to be drafts that you can review and They may be changing over time and we'll keep Keep in touch with everybody about that If we change for instance if we make changes after your Or you make changes after your public hearing then I think what we do is we develop a side Bar document that says these are the changes As a result of this public hearing these are the changes of the result of that public hearing So people could sort of track the changes because I can tell you as you know You sit down and you read through this and I might read through it and not even see the change And I don't think we want to get into You know Producing copies. I mean maybe we can do it on the website produce a copy where the changes are highlighted Um, but somehow make it obvious what changes have been made So what do you always saying? I mean the most that that's gonna be is a couple of months So you're talking about 35 dollars a month for that survey monkey to bring that same survey back up I'm not worried about the I'm not worried about the 35 dollars. I'm just worrying about people feeling that Somehow the survey is already over now all of a sudden it's going on again. That's I'm just wondering if people are gonna think that's weird. Maybe not Call me weird. No, I'll tease it. I'm just joking. What were you gonna say? I'm sorry Well, no, I was just I mean I agree. I think and that was our initial Thing was to get as many people possible To participate in I mean when you know what I worry about is There's the same thing. I worry about a town meeting and the same Thing I worry about when we have a town-wide vote and only 25 of the community participates You know, I want the best participation we can get I mean, I want the most people we can get to pay attention to this Document and really think about it and respond to it the better it is. However, we do it So this will work the real reason how to do it is it costs a little money That's not the reason. The money is the easy part. No, not the $25. The mailing itself Costs some money to every household for a postcard. So that's That's not very much money. It's $12. How much do you think it is? I think it's $1,200. That's having it done, right? So what are you doing with the postcard? Well, we might get inside the back alley through Dave Smith. He might mock it up for us Anyway About this that's not a bulk mailing. No, it's me standing there going running it through the machine No, when we did it for the listeners, we we weighed the price and it was easier for us to do it here Sonya, I didn't mean to Put a monkey wrench in but there is a little I mean, that's it. No, no, no I mean, I I'm not saying but in the big oven flow of things. That's not a lot of money We don't want to be sending out postcards weekly But um I'm not saying anything more. I'll be down here and look stamps for Okay, whatever. Um, I will say though that the 260 or whatever responses is actually a fairly high response to a survey And that's a great more people than ever at town meeting. So that's already a good response Um Is that a yes Is that a yes Okay about Well, is that a recommendation from the planning commission? Or is there a recommendation from one member of the planning commission? When is the date for that mailing to go in the day? No, right? So it has to it has to get uh, yeah I mean, I I we yeah asap if we're gonna open it up. Let's open it up now I mean the survey should just be posted right now if you can't you're waiting for all you Oh, okay Yeah, don't wait for the either you're gonna wait for the post card. We're waiting for the select board So what do you want the select board to do is the action? Approve that the some the 1200 can be spent and that they approve I mean if you don't think you need to approve it and we should just do it on our own That's a different thing. I think the mailing is important because not everybody's on front porch form So at least we've been transparent and trying to get it to everyone So and do the survey on front porch form and you can put it on the You can put it on the yeah, you can put it on the postcard or whatever, but Put the survey up now. Yeah, so we're our next meeting is on the third and we should within a week of that be able to get them The postcard mocked up and ready to go You're you've got you've got a gazillion things between. I know so I know for the minutes I want to know where that Coming out of my mouth I don't know we're gonna get to that don't worry We just back up a minute. Yeah, if if you doing this here seriously is a problem We should look at doing it the other way even if it costs more money All right. Well, I don't know the the cost difference, but I'll check It's just that I do have a very busy couple of weeks coming up with elections and schoolwide meetings Everything else like that. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to have time running to do this But I will I will do my best and if not, I'm sure the trusted members of the planning commission can come down and run I will be glad to come Anybody to pitch in So that's I'm not just since I'm not designing the postcards or anything like that That's fine. It just takes a lot of time to run those all those things through I think we can get some volunteers There you go. There you go. Now you're talking Thank you We got some volunteers to write a lot of us Sooner, I mean if we're gonna do which I think we're deciding we're doing although we'll take a little vote here in a minute um Sooner the better I mean get the get the thing opened up. Yeah And the postcard will say will the postcard have these dates on it? It will have the may 9th date, right? And then I think it will have the date for the formal public hearing which which is tentatively now for June June 19th, and we'll make sure that that We'll discuss that at our meeting next week and make sure that we can Commit to that they will get everything that he'd done by then and a link to the survey and Reference that the hard copy can be available What's involved in reactivating the survey just getting into survey monkey and Um, I'd have talked to marica because she did it before probably just a credit card and Yeah, the credit card that dm credit card. We don't have. Yes, we do We've got a credit card a town core real-time credit. Well, it's news to me I used mine last time Yeah, you guys told me to get a good work. Well, good work So just two more points on this so six nine would be the deadline for the period the 619 Does that make sense then that? No, that's the public hearing. We have to have our draft done before then so we would like to have your draft done before But if we have a public hearing and we were having input that could impact I'm just trying to figure out the end of the survey period last day, which we could the survey Is going to result in changes before your public hearing before your So what's the deadline then for the Well, if you have if you have a public hearing, you've got to have it warned You've got to have those the draft ready to go at least 15 days beforehand That means you have to have a meeting where you approve the draft And then close close all changes So you have you it's up to you guys to look at that calendar and pick out on your last meeting before that public hearing But at the public hearing will we not potentially hear oral comment with good influence our draft? You will but you have to the draft you have to put up for people No, and I get that yeah Why couldn't it be that the survey would equal the same length as what oral comment will be I'm just trying to make it they're just going to take probably a little time to compile those things So you can sort of share them with people. So yeah, I think it makes sense to end the survey at some point just give some time to Aggregate the results because people Hold on a minute. Don't don't We want to say That the results of the survey Are incorporated in the draft Before this meeting. Yes. I not that the results of the survey will be discussed at the public hearing for More changes. You're right. I mean, I would rather have it. I would rather have it Yeah, we opened up the survey. We got the results. We reviewed them and Appropriate changes were made to the draft, which means you're going to have to back it up like 20 days before which diminishes its value So again, I'm not I'm going back to a little bit. So the idea having run a few public hearings We're generally most people don't show up to public hearings and rulemaking anyway, but let's just say a bus people show here That is also I'm not disagreeing with you. That's also a date Uh, after which we're going to be compelled to recognize oral comments that were made But otherwise the public hearing would be a farce or a sham So I'm just trying to think whether this was it really matter because you're saying an inundation If only 200 and odd people did the first ever survey. I'm not expecting A thousand in the second. So for me, I just hate that I just would hate and this is just me speaking to spend the public hearing having You guys it's going to be you Present and oh by the way since we finalized this draft We've have 20 more surveys and this is the information in the survey that that to me money's up the water Okay, I guess the way I'm thinking about it is the survey serves a little different purpose than the comments right the survey is something you want to aggregate and get like a sort of a bigger picture and People can still email comments Surveys closed just as they can make oral comments at the public hearing. So to me Okay, the survey loses its value if you wait till the public hearing to close it because then we can't incorporate Let's just say I doubt that entirely when would the deadline be? That would be May 9th Because then we You guys I know We're we're gonna uh It's gonna open up the survey. We're gonna open up the survey for 30 days. Okay, let's do that And they'll give people can get the postcard and still have another two weeks or nothing, right? Plus plus it's going to be available here It is available here, right Yeah, so you don't have to have your draft done until like May 29th We have Yes 15 days before of 6 19 Yeah, but you gotta have time to compile the surveys and meet and decide if you're gonna change anything as a result of the surveys We have to send it to neighboring towns 30 days ahead of the hearing so 30 days ahead 30 days So you can yeah, so that's on the back of this this you can have it on May 15th then That's when you have your meeting here, exactly That's the end of the we have our meeting on May 15th And then we have to the survey period end the survey period then thank you And then just just one other thing. There are our schedule looks at the select board. We have to actually Physically give you the plan. Yeah We have that tentatively as June 24th. Is that What do you mean in June? First and the third hopefully they don't change it the fourth and the 18th But you technically could change it you could have a meeting on the 25th because I was going to ask Oh, come on. I'm sorry Because I was going to ask to get out of the force because I have to go to graduation, but that's okay Um, you can go to the graduate My one of my and we've really got to wrap this up for a night But one of my concerns is you know once we get into the summertime here, I mean I I understand that I understand the goal of town vote on nine three, but oh my god, you know dealing with having people show up to anything in the Summertime is a problem and nine three is Oh my god, I mean are we going to get anybody to show up for a special town meeting on nine three I just want to throw that out there. Well, we are avoiding August When is labor day second people are back for school right? So people should be at least in town Labor day is the second today after labor day day after labor day. I'm just can they vote in beforehand? Yeah So I I just and and I know sandy certainly say this before I hate special Votes and special meetings because I'm always scared that only the people who really wanted or really don't want to show up And all those friendly people in the middle are off drinking uh Tonics and whatever at the lake and they know they don't come I don't know who that should be He's looking your way I don't know if Durand and I have history on that subject. I'm just asking that question. We don't have to decide that Yeah, I mean, I think it's you know, a special election is never ideal I think not having it in august is good and I think right after labor day Is it out as so all I'm asking is Is another week a deal breaker? Is that nine three day? I think we did check I Another week may not be and I can check that This is a non-election year, you wouldn't know it when you know it otherwise we would have had something I just think every day you get away from you get away from labor day is a good thing And you don't want to be before so you guys changing the date for that? No, not now I'm going to check on a drop dead date for whether it should it's nine three or if it could be a week later Okay, thanks guys, but thank you very much During your meeting Motion motion to adjourn Thanks, okay, we are and we are temporarily adjourning the select board meeting for Liz you're up For the Yeah, so call the meeting to order at 6 12 Any guests Sandra you're staying sure Amendments Okay April 8th 2019 special school board meeting Designing to bc a member's business town clerk the washington central unified union school district special meeting at union 32 high school on april 8 2019 Jan thorn says she will help she's won By supervising the checklist counting the votes and handling any potential paper balloting action likely I think actually you can get away with just jan just jan and me. Yeah, okay the islam failure has a really great jps Any discussion Okay, so do we have a motion All moon big to elect jan and sarah I second it. Yeah, all those in favor. All right. Yeah Post I will probably be there also when I'm flying back To vermont that day so okay, maybe and peter's backup. Yeah hey april 9th 2019 u32 and remedy budget votes designating bca members and are the following middle sex voters to serve as ballot clerks From 7 to 10 a.m. And from 3 p.m. To 7 p.m. Tuesday April 9th for the u32 and remedy budget votes in the town clerk's office during the Crowel helen we jane tucker eric young actually likely second Also, I'd like to I'm sorry here move steve second. Yeah And I was going to come at 7 but To get can you come in? Yeah, I was planning on it. That would be awesome. Yeah, you'll be there with with uh, so Liz will be there from 7 Thank you so much. You didn't mean to start this because we're doing we don't know we're not having a Are you're not gonna use the tabulator? We're just gonna we're just newspaper votes for okay Oh, well, here we go to the next section to sign a bc. I'm gonna wait. I need 7 a.m. I need someone from 7 a.m. To 10 a.m. Because I am not going to be there at 7 a.m. After working all night What day of the week is that it's a tuesday. So wait, I can't probably do that really slot. Can you yeah, we're gonna have to be here Okay All the way to 10 You don't have to I think I can I can probably I can definitely be here for the first Considering I'm going to be here until eight o'clock and I am considering me working until it's crazy. So So winner dorinda helen jane eric coming when I uh, when I I just need that. I just need the bc to approve them in case I can't get any other people. Okay Can you can you don't want to come in can you come in? Yeah, when do you want me for the 7 a.m. slot Do you can you do that? Sure Really that doesn't conflict with childcare or anything else like that Hold on. I do want to come at the end So I can come wherever you need to fill in how three to seven p.m. Can you come in there? Yeah, that'd be good You guys, where did I just see something about the ballots opening at 10 a.m. I thought that was a little posted something different different town every town That's okay.  So the right school board volunteered me at 7 a.m. Oh, okay, because I was gonna say oh wow 10. That's nice for No, it's not okay Okay, okay, so yeah, I should have chris but they down here at 7 a.m. So during is going to do 3 p.m. To 7 p.m. And I just need any jps on hand for in case we have a little problem you might be available If we have some sort of spew you want me to be from 7 a.m. To like 9 7 to 9 would be great. Thank you I'm gonna double check but I'm not around otherwise. I would help all this to that I will be in Florida. Sorry Wait, do you need help? I can If you need it, I can probably extend it longer All I need during if I could just have you from 3 p.m. To 7 p.m. And then help me count Thank you. And then Liz What I really do is if we have some sort of dispute I'm not expecting this at all, but if we have a dispute where that has to be resolved I'm around I can be here in 10 minutes. That's great. So Peter is back up on the ninth Great And then At 7 a.m. Theo you're gonna come from 7 a.m. To 9 p.m. 9 a.m. This is that good. That's great. Thank you very much That will help. Okay, great. Is there a key to get in? Michael will be here. Michael will be here. Michael's gonna work from 7 to like 2 All right So you're okay. Yeah, all right. So assigning bcm members to participate in counting paper ballots for the above vote We need people to take so that's what I was going to do. Okay, so that's going to be Liz and maybe Dorinda and me Yeah, and anybody else who can get it broken. Okay Any action like oh action likely We haven't voted on anything. No, you don't have to vote on it. Yeah, okay. You voted on it. Yeah, you voted on it Yeah, okay Appointing 2 jps to hear you think about and to Berlin elementary for tabulating action likely Is there any discussion or nominations of who might do that? Are there people who'd like to do that? Chris would like to do it. Well, Jan was going to be working the night before she can't be available on that. I think Um, who are the jps you? Well, uh, chris is one.  Of course, yeah, so you and chris could do it. He doesn't want to do it. Okay. We'll get chris mcbay and um Maybe get charlie to do it. He's a jp As a fallback I can do any of these things. I mean, it's just a question So it'll be charlie and chris. Is that a comment to have him carry the u32 ballots? If he's on the u32 board probably yeah, so you shouldn't do it. No, we shouldn't do it Well, who else is a jp you but you don't want to do it. I it's not a matter of wanting I just don't have my works because I think I have a board meeting. Oh Does it have to be a jp? Yes Uh, let me down if I can't forget. I can't do it. We'll do something else So this would be in kind of late at night, right? No, it's going to be exactly at seven o'clock I expect to have 25 ballots, frankly, and then we'll just count them out and then some we do exactly the same thing Take it for a land you think so peter's available. That's great, but I can double check if you need.  It's the same person. They're gonna be tabulator ballots They're not gonna be hand counts if we're gonna have here All right, okay. We're just only doing hand counts here to save money. It just just was ridiculous. So it wasn't going to Get the tag later probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No Okay, so is there a motion? Sure for I'll move it Steve second to have chris mcvay and peter hood and peter hood is um With they thio is back up, right? Oh, there's a paper Hi post Okay, anything else to come before the board? No, we adjourn the meeting at Six good work 19 Good job Thank you beautiful people. Have a good night. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks. See you later. I think Oh, I'm sure he did yeah, he's a good man. Yeah, okay now what? Okay, do we reopen the meeting I will reopen the select board meeting and We need to reappoint Well, let's go back to who's paying for the postcard Good question. They have a budget They have a lot of money. They didn't apply. You were paying for that was my income. I never said I was paying for it Well, that's why we were trying to do that. You said oh, we'll figure that out later Taking it out of their budget. They only have 500 dollars in there Well, their budget isn't going to do it anyway. They're already going to go over their budget because we authorize them to anyway On the consultant A little more right that's right. We can do that So that means your discretionary money the fund goes into paying it'll end up paying for it. Yeah, okay But so it goes through the planning commission budget because we're going to want to send out postcards too probably Well, I just want you to know as of february you are 55% spent on your postage budget, so Wow That's good. We have a lot at left. Well, no, you have 13 that we only put in 2500 or so Yeah, it is more than half the year But that won't even cover what if you're saying this postcard is 1200 dollars that would leave you 100 dollars To get to july and we have budget. We have the absentee ballots more We'll find the money Well, no, but if we need to If you want me to say that you can come out of the select board's discretionary money I think that it should come out of the planning commission's budget and let them be over budget. Right. That's what I'm saying Okay, then We'll end up paying for it, but it No, that was theo Okay, I just wanted to make that clear because that was not how it was implied. Good point Okay It's all us, right All right, then you got me so excited. I lost my paperwork Three o'clock morning, Laurie. I'm back Sorry, Sheriff Did he say yes? I don't know. Are you're supposed to ask him? Oh, you were supposed to ask him I'm sure he said yes I'm sure he said yes. No, he's fine with it. You recall that Yes, he's fine with it. So if robert moeller calls you, he'll be in the rig Okay, so is there a motion to reappoint laury? I'll make that motion and a second I'll second it Good all in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, congratulations laury. You'll inform him that he's been don't forget That'll be interesting conversation. Yeah, honey. Guess what? I'm sure it's I'm sure that's been a that's been a horrible burden to him. He had to go to one meeting. Yeah, what's that? The financial plan.  I know We did I apologize for that, but I have talked to paul and I haven't met him But we will be meeting shortly and I'll get that through Do you think you can have it for the April 2nd meeting? Yes. Okay. Absolutely So that was passed. Yeah, because I got to meet with him for a while. We got to go over a lot of sign stuff too, so Sorry I didn't wow Wow Approval of march 12th 2019 select board minutes is their emotion. I'll move Second second all in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any other business that may come before the board? I just want to give you a very quick Synopsis of this mess from what I know right now, okay Carl warned me us whatever you may recall back Last summer That there was a problem with the water system and involved the storage Tank for not the fire Not the fire system, but the freshwater system um And it was going to be expensive So I don't know if that's the cause of this hauling water that ultimately that tank failed Or what I mean, I don't know what the current problem is but there are Obviously if they've been hauling water since october problems And why they've been doing this this long. I have no I no idea so Carl Talked to sarah, right this week and said I want to draw my own well For the heart of good building. Yeah, we already have our own well with the fire department so You know to me because that was the question I asked why but way back then is why are we the town of middle sex going to be forced to participate in this Massive upgrade to this public water supply, which also is just an administrative nightmare in terms of testing documenting Maintaining the whole thing is a nightmare. It was maybe a good idea When that was supposed to be a true industrial site with a whole bunch of different buildings, but yeah, it didn't turn out to be that so Carl I believe from what he said to sarah and I still haven't talked to him wants to do away with that public whole public water supply thing And force benderson. He wants to drill his own well Benderson would need to drill their own well on their own property And then there is no more public water public water and that makes all a sense in the world to me I think yes, I have new information because today Dingle tiner whatever your name is from a certain law for representing car Is their name Like that. So she came in today to do a whole bunch of research on welch park for carl And has been trying to deal with benderson about this water situation. Who is she again? She's red. She's a lawyer She's going she went through the whole welch park agreement to figure out So carl has hired her I guess carl has hired her benderson. That is a company that owns the building Okay, um, and they have been Very unresponsive. So I just spoke to berk Recently, I mean just briefly about what the situation was because I thought That it was solved that we thought that the water's problem had been solved It sounds like benderson is the problem here. They've just kind of They're just doing their own thing, right? They're not participating. They're not doing anything Which I think is what's putting that has forced the employees Of consolidated to bring in their own water, which is not okay with the state So well not only what's what's operating the bathrooms and all that. I don't know what must be this water Well, I don't think that's the issue. Don't start hanging out of a toilet Hopefully I'm gonna say drinking out of the toilet. How about just flushing the toilet? I don't know But she said I think carl is going a little too fast Uh, he's going way too fast. She has no authority to do any of this stuff She said when she's going to get all this research is because she talked to a There's like a conflict of interest with some company in burlington dealing with consolidated. It's okay. It's they're working it all out It's a lawyer thing, but she said, you know, I think by next week I'm going to have a lot more information and she is planning to come to the meeting next week that may Work around this and that was that that's what I think she's trying to do What I what I am not interested in doing because he was talking about tens of thousands of dollars, right To upgrade this fresh water system, which we don't even use And he doesn't want to use So my question is which which I don't understand. He has no well now, right So where's he getting his damn water from? This he's trucking it in. No No Carl's got Carl says he's got water didn't he? He said he was gonna I I don't know. I don't know if he's driving from a common well I think he might be driving from a welch park well And he's saying I want to get off the welch park well system and go on this other system And that for some reason consolidated Why doesn't why doesn't consolidate is on that system too? That's why he I from what I thought he was saying was that that's the problem with is that consolidated It's not on the whole the system And he said we shouldn't be paying because he told me not to pay any bills Right that came in for water bills for anything because It's not our issue his issue or our issue. It's a consolidated issue. Well, it's definitely our issue Well, that's what because the welch park bylaws was a wire. That's part of the whole welfare thing public water system There's there's two lines that go to every lock one was from the fire pond And one is from the well, but I think he did he imply or did I misunderstand and that it the problem lies Just with consolidated getting water it's just with consolidated getting water And I don't know why consolidated can't get water why they can't use the same well Maybe their line failed or something. I mean who knows we don't know that isn't he hauling water from some off-site thing Not not curl. No consolidated is Okay, so because it's so that was my question that I was going to ask them is If the well is still functioning, why are they hauling water? Well, I think I think the problem is that curls hauling hauling from a common well, and I don't know why Consolidated isn't taking it from a car. There's only one well. There's only one well There's one we have a well We have our own well Consolidated and Carl right now Unless he drilled a well today They're hooked up to the welch park public water System well, this is why well, this is why he's coming to the meeting on every side of all I could so this is just So everybody can be mulling this over. So so the other part of this is What I thought Carl was saying based on what you told me Is he wants to blow up welch park and not even help have welch park exist anymore Well, he was he I don't we didn't talk about maintenance of the roads But he certainly wants to have he wants to have every once the other water system. Yeah, but remember There are not one but two water systems And we don't want to not be part of the second water system, which is the fire protection part of it I don't know but that's why he doesn't either because those hydrants there are Flooded or serviced by that big fire pump in that fire pond And the pump that's down in the river that fills the fire pond and that's all part of welch park and Believe me. I don't want to give that up either. That's fire protection for our fire station So we gotta somehow maintain that and that as far as I know since we had the Problem last year with the with the well pumped down in the river is working Well, I expect some sort of memo from brook before the end of the week on this issue That should probably clarify. We've got we've got Road issues and we've got fire protection issues and then drinking water and drinking water are the three things And I'm hoping we can get out of The drinking water fiasco But I don't have I have incomplete information just this Scary letter which I shared with you and I did try to reach out to benderson. I feel like my kids It's contacted benderson by email the contacts. I've got for them down in florida And he said, you know, thank you. I'll pass this along and then I've heard nothing It's weird so maybe we can get them into property taxes. Anyway, they paid a protest because they put other checks We had to pay to protest What's that mean It's like if there's some sort of glitch that happens there are during the clear or something I forget Anyway, so the last thing I have about this is somehow And I am not interested personally in being the president of the welch park industrial park but we've got to Gain control of that whole thing. We're part of it. We never have meetings. We never know what's going on Carl's off doing his thing. Whatever whatever he's doing repaving parking lots and roads and Yeah, you know and we're part of that so, you know, whether we set up a thing where we have quarterly meetings I don't care if they're, you know over the phone or whatever But somehow there's got to be some exchange of information because there's some real liability there And this was all supposed to be a good thing, you know, maybe we should have built our firehouse down here I don't think we're going down that road. No, but there's trouble in river city as far as I'm concerned on this literally All righty then And I I asked uh I asked sarin if you could get any answer from him. I'll I'll go up there and hit him over the whatever But I want to be assured that the well At the fire station provides adequate water For that fire station That we're not somehow thinking that oh, we can just turn on the valve and we can be connected to the Not just drinking water with filling tankers. Well the filling tankers is part of the fire protection thing There's a big pipe and a little fallen down house where we can back up and fill up our tankers from the fire So that well that has nothing to do with the well that it's nothing to do with a pot of water You're talking about drinking and flushing right? Yeah, okay. Yes Okay, so you just want to know that well is and as far as I know it does because we're not even The problem we had last summer was the fire pond when It went dry and there was no because there wasn't water there was something that was probably Right, but that's why the well was that's why the fire pond was dry because the pump had failed Correct. It wasn't dry Nothing to do with the bottom water. That's right But at that time he was saying The storage tank for the potable water system was failing and need to be replaced and he was Consulting with an engineer to figure out what it was going to be and I said Jesus. Don't you go replacing any Tens of thousands of dollars I don't know why that should be so expensive anyways Well, it's just unbelievable to me that those guys are there every day. That's the fire pond that protects their building It's half empty and nobody says a word because their trends. They're not live. They're not owners And it doesn't they're gonna be they're gonna be cooking like the christmas turkey if that place catches on fire And there's no water in that fire pond I don't know it's it's You know it is what it is, but we're stuck with the fire pond I think I Because it's the hydrants and also the filling of the But that that whole fire pond that whole system was put in for the telephone company at that time Well, it's their sprinkler system. Oh, yeah, they have a dry system Right Exactly. They have a dry system and if if something happens in that fire pond pump kicks in and Right and of course, you know They Are supposed to be testing all that which apparently they never do So, you know to think to think that that sprinkler is going to trip in that fire pump is going to start up I think it's a pipe dream, but that's just me You know, those things have to be maintained. They have to be run. They have to be I don't think anybody's been doing anything No, they're for quite some time. No No And that's a good system. I mean it's inexpensive You should take cbd The only thing that I'm relying on is they do have to have sprinkler inspections and the sprinkler inspector Should be determining that that thing functions as part of his job But I would think how would we ever know and yet we rely on that too So, you know somehow whether we get the reports or I don't know how we get I don't know how we get control of it I really know I don't know and it's a problem and And uh, and carl, of course wants just wants to sell a building once he sells that building He's going to be going then god only knows what happens Yeah, isn't that did we make that within the scope of the highway commissioner to Do that Point of order and we didn't sign orders Yeah I didn't sign Good job though We got we got one signature on the orders. Um Um Anything else anybody Okay, well with that I will adjourn the meeting and uh, we will review and sign these orders