So I'm going to call the meeting to water at five o'clock. Our first item for consideration is considering, considering, considering eliminating the zoning board of adjustment. And creating a development review board planning commission to present. Draft resolution, other planning commission updates action possible. Sandy. Or Theo, whoever's. Up. Sandy. I'll start and Theo jump right in when, whenever, but we presented previously the idea of the middle sex, creating the Dell development review board to replace the zoning board of adjustment and the planning commission. So with any permitting review, it would be done by one body. That body would be appointed by the select board. And there seemed to be openness to, to doing that for, for middle sex. So I drafted a resolution based largely on a template that the Vermont League of cities and towns has for the creation of a development review board with five members and either two or three alternates. And it was also the recommendation of the planning commission that the select board appoint one, but not more than at least one, but not more than two members of the planning commission to serve on the development review board. And that's because we've found that it's very helpful that the body that's involved in writing the regulations also has, you know, some input or some insight that can be helpful as you're reviewing permits. So that's the resolution that I drafted for you. This can be effective anytime the select board needs to vote on it. So I think that's a good idea. My recommendation was to take a look at the resolution. If that looks good, you know, think about that or decide that now. And then at your next meeting, make the actual appointments and you can fill those in those blanks in on the resolution. We can certainly pull the planning commission members and see if there are one or two members who are interested in serving and pass on those names to you. But we're seeing a lot of those. So I think we need to do that. The, you know, the zoning board of adjustment and see if there are folks there who want to serve or it's up to the psych board, you can put it out for whoever. You know, anybody wants to apply and seek letters of letters of interest and make appointments that way. I didn't want to presume there was one way or another to do that, but just put that out as possibilities. You know, two people from the planning commission, three people from the zoning board of adjustment, and then two alternates who would be from the zoning board of adjustment. So everybody who serves now could continue to serve if they wanted to. So in thinking about this, and I'm not sure it makes any real difference, but it potentially of me makes it a little cleaner to make this transition effective July 1st at the start of our fiscal year. That way we're not thinking back, when did we actually do this? I don't know how everybody else feels about that. And that gives us a little bit of time to get organized about who the cast of characters is actually going to be and all of that. So what you're asking us to do tonight is approve the resolution, and then you will come assuming we do, you will come back to us with a list of potential members. We will appoint them and then effective July 1st will be in the new world. Does that make sense? Yes, I think that works. If you could vote now on the text of the resolution, and it would be effective July 1st, and then sometime between now and then you would have to have another meeting to make the actual appointments. The resolution includes the appointments. I just put blanks in there. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Theo. Thank you. Good evening, everybody. I was just to support this. I just want to add a couple of wrinkles. One is that the zoning bylaws that we're working on, and we're coming very close to it, and Madam Chair want to speak to that. The edits that we're proposing does this conflation. And as a result, meaning the two bodies are taken out, and the review is now under the proposed zoning bylaws that you're about to see will be done by the DRB. And so the DRB in July, they might be looking at for guidance in kind of a transitional zoning bylaw document that's not yet been fully adopted. I don't think that's too big a hurdle. There's no change to the standards or anything like that. It's really just that aspect. And the other thing that I'll throw in there that I think is a possible consideration for you, if not in this resolution, is to what extent a select board member or members would be interested in also participating on a rotating basis or not. I just think our thinking is the continuity between kind of, it's almost like all three branches didn't want really. It's got to, you are the executive branch, but you also have this power to promulgate these zoning bylaws. And then you might sit in judgment of certain decisions in a quasi-judicial way. So we liked the idea, as Sandy presented, of having a select planning commission person be present for that insight and assistance, and perhaps even a select board member. So we just wanted to throw that out there. I don't think it's necessary, but select, you end up living with the body's decisions. So perhaps it's helpful to have a rudder or a member on that DRB as well. Those are my only two additional comments. And just a quick question on that, Theo. I'm sorry, go ahead, Phil. You might be, we're going to ask the same thing I am, but Theo, do you don't see any conflict of interest? That's exactly what I'm asking, yeah. The select board member were to serve on the DRB and there was an appeal of a DRB decision, I'm assuming would go to the select board for a hearing and a ruling concerns about that? I think an appeal of a DRB would go to environmental court, but then the select board would need to make some decisions about defending that and hiring counsel and so on. Yeah, no, it's a really excellent question. Sorry, Mitch, go ahead. No, you're fine. I think conflict is always something you have to evaluate. It doesn't jump out at me that the mere membership in a decision that's written and adopted would be anything but that. And so the conflicts that are might be more common is where someone has to recuse themselves because the underlying matter, they have some interest or something in. And that does occasionally happen, regardless of where the party that's on the DRB is also in our town government. Right, okay. So with that said, and that was exactly my question, Phil, you must have been sending, I was either sending the vibrations to you or you were sending them to me. And Mitch seems to have something, I'm sorry, because he's also on our planning commissions. Okay, go ahead, Mitch. That's fine. Two real quick comments. One, I suspect that the state statute might speak to whether there are any conflicts with some members being on different bodies. We could probably check that out very easily. One thing that you did mention when you talked about an appeal, and again, I'm no expert, but I believe there is a provision that if an applicant appeals a decision to the state environmental court, I believe it is possible for either select board or the probably more likely the town attorney to negotiate a settlement while that appeal is pending. So that might be a reason why the select board might wanna stay out of things. And one final question, I apologize if I showed up too late and missed if this was already discussed, but we may wanna check with the zoning administrator and make sure that there's not a matter warned for the ZBA during the period that we're transitioning. If they warn something that's gonna go to the ZBA, we'd hate to find out that ZBA went away and now that has to be redone to go to the DRB, but very minor, you guys probably thought of that already. That's all I have. That's probably the reason to delay it to July 1st. That means it would be less likely that that would happen. Yes, John. We don't have anything scheduled beyond May right now. Yeah. I think Mitch is great. Sorry, I just throw in that. It's a great discussion Mitch. And I think to the extent a select board member were part of the decision body, that party might not participate in the negotiation for settlement. I mean, that might be a way to manage it. I just, I don't know why I've had this floating wrap for so long. I saw this kind of effect of folks that aren't connected to the actual adoption of the bylaws in decision-making seats without the kind of input and knowledge that the actual promulgators have. So that's the only reason for it. For some reason, I'm saying things a little bit longer than I would like. But that's the underlying point. Dorinda, you want to comment? I'm assuming this is gonna have no impact on the budget. It would, we would just anything. I mean, there'll be fees associated with hearings and all. I'm assuming we would just flop any money we have associated to the zoning board of adjustment into a DRB account now or something like that. Yeah, I would think so. I would think so. Yes. Is there any question about that? I mean, I'm sure we could get some guidance from the League of Cities and Towns. There are a number of towns that have gone through this. So we're not recreating the wheel, I don't think. So the only other question I have is Theo, you mentioned potentially having a rotating member of the select board serve. That to me seems like a bad idea just because of continuity. So what I'd like to do is let's let the select board think about this a little bit and also see if there's someone interested in serving. But I think we can go ahead in the meantime and adopt Sandy's resolution and start the process. Assuming no one has any other questions or concerns. Just, and thank you for that. And the select board membership rotating or not is not a deal breaker. I just wanted to add it to the discussion. Thank you. Peter. Yes. I haven't read that resolution. And Sandy had mentioned initially that we, that she would might get some names because she's got blanks in there instead of names. So if she gets some names and we do some talking, we could adopt this resolution next meeting instead of tonight. And then we could probably probably it doesn't make sense to adopt it with blanks in there. Yeah, I agree. Would you like me to, I mean, I can certainly survey the planning commission. We're meeting tomorrow night and see if there's volunteers who are interested in serving. And then I would also reach out to the zone, to the state existing zoning board of adjustment and see if there's interest from them. And assuming those slots can be filled with them, does that, I will, I would forward those onto the select board. If people are saying they don't want to serve, there would have to be some way to solicit other interest. Correct. Does that work? Yeah. Okay. Yep, I like that. So, so just to be clear, I think I've, I think I've got this, but I want to be sure we all understand. So what, what actually goes away in this is the zoning board of adjustment goes away. The planning commission continues to exist and we have a development review board really in lieu of the zoning board of adjustment. And I mean, the planning commission currently does site plan review and subdivision review. That would now be done by the development review board. The planning commission would no longer be involved in any permitting decisions. We would only be writing the regulations. The planning commission still exists and you would be doing your work, for instance, the zoning regulations and other things. Planning work not, yes, got it. But not site review. Yeah, so right. So with that, I would suggest if you could do that Sandy, that would be great. Hopefully they'll be willing to serve at least initially because some kind of continuity through this process, just in terms of knowledge and familiarity with how this all works, I think would be good. And then if people want to get off and we need to a point or find more people, we'll find them. Okay, I will try to get that ready for your next meeting and you can have it then. And with the understanding, it would be effective July 1st. Everybody agrees that that makes sense. That was my idea that it'd be July 1st, but nobody disagrees, I think that makes sense. Okay. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. Anything else, anybody on that? Okay, let's see Russ Bennett. But we're a few minutes early. I also included a provision for planning commission updates. I didn't know if Sandy wanted to do it. Okay. Yeah, I guess why- Yeah, I guess why- Well, you're waiting for Russ. I did send you just a short email that included both a draft of the final report for the scoping study we'll be reviewing that and getting any additional input at our meeting tomorrow. I think that's come together well, but welcome any thoughts that you or others have. I believe the process is then we would finalize that report that Du Bois and King would finalize that report and then it gets sent on to the select board to, I don't know if you need to adopt it or approve it or what. Whatever the word is. Whatever that would be. And then the other piece is the zoning regulations update. We have a final draft. There's still a number of typos and some formatting and so on, but I think the substance is pretty much all there. We'll be reviewing that tomorrow. There may be a few additional changes, but we're hoping to get it ready and for a public planning commission public hearing in June. And then it would be forwarded to the select board in July and you would need to have a hearing and also that it could be voted on in November. Okay. Thank you. Yes, Dave. Question for Sandy and I think that Theo mentioned this, but what about the changes if we're adopting the development review board? Well, that was one of the reasons I wanted to get a sense from the select board earlier if this was something you wanted to do because the draft of the zoning update has a development review board. We wrote it as if there would be a development review board in place. Since it would be effective in July and it's not going to be voted on until November, I think it's fine to have it that way and it would have that continuity and you could actually see how it would operate with the development review board then. Perfect. Almost sounds like we're organized. Thank you for Sandy and Theo for leading this. I think it is going to be a good change and it's going to simplify our process, which I like a lot, make it easier and simpler. We still don't have Russ. We probably got 10 minutes. Should we consider the road foreman's request for clarification on bonuses provided to town employees action possible? Does that make sense to everyone? So I think where we were when we last discussed this was the sense of the conversation was that those bonuses that were given were hiring bonuses and they were given because of exigent circumstances, as they say. And as such, Shane was already on board and didn't participate in that and that affected the life first as the wife will be covered on the health insurance. Per what we've approved. But I don't know if that's, how do the other board members feel about that? Is that where we are? Is that what we want to say? Yep. That was my recollection. So I guess the question is, do we want to make a motion on that or do we just want to include it in the minutes? Would just say you, Randy, on this. I don't feel like we need to make a motion and vote on it. It feels like a clarification issue. We can just include it in the minutes and that it's going to be effective July one. And I think the meeting minutes from before, kind of back this all up. So it's just clarification. Yep. I agree with that. Unless anybody disagrees. Yes, Sarah. I just want to say that Russ has arrived. Oh, okay. Perfect timing. Wait, you have a seat. It's going to be right here. Okay. Oh my goodness. In person. Yeah. Well, I realized I wasn't going to have time to get to someplace else and I was driving by. Perfect. Well, you're always welcome, Russ. Thank you. You're on. I know we're a little bit early, but believe it or not, we're ahead of schedule and you're a little early, so it's all good. Perfect. So, yeah, I wanted to just sort of update you as to what our thinking is or a little bit as we sort of learn it. So we, I think I mentioned before, Stone Environmental, when they did the studies for you, they identified some fracture trace analysis where they thought there might be chances of finding water up there on the Colby property. And then we had an analysis done called sort of low frequency vibration where they send a low, low, low frequency through the ground from three different locations. And that helps to identify where they think there's going to be fissures in the ledge, in the bedrock, and you might get water. So we did that in one of the fracture trace areas and we drilled two wells and they're deep-ish. We hit water a couple of places on the way down, but they're both, they each generate well-drillers yield about 50 gallons a minute. And so that's a lot of water. That's 100 gallons a minute. But I think by the time we go through permitting and replenishment, testing all that kind of stuff, it'll probably net around 50, something like that. And I just thought I would keep you informed as to what we're doing. We're gonna want to do, I don't know how many housing units initially, maybe six or 12 or something like that, mostly probably multifamily to begin with. And a daycare and a few things like that in the very first beginning of what this thing could be. Oh, and just as a sort of general note, we're not planning on selling any land. We're gonna make it all held together by a condominium kind of structure so that the values run with the thing. So anyway, we're gonna have to do a fair amount of pretty heavy water testing and permitting and all that engineering to put a water system in place. And so it seemed to me like we're headed on a good path and this might be a good time to be thinking about. It'll take years, of course. If you wanted to, if we wanted to have a conversation about whether you want to be a part of that or do we want to create a water district or a fire district or something like that because there'll be enough, we're enough upgrading that you could provide a hydrant system and water, general water to Middlesex Village if that made sense to you. But you would find yourself with a willing partner, shall we say, if you want to think about it. So I think the answer is we'd have to think about it. For me, I'm saying we're interested. I mean, in terms of the long-term development of the village and that area, having real water and also having hydrants would be a big thing. I mean, we'd have to figure out the downfall of our first effort to do this when we were talking about trying to do it on our own was that the sense of the folks in the village was that they did not want to, and I forget what the amount of money was now, that hypothetically they were gonna have to pay on an annual basis to have water. But they didn't want to do it. Now that was a long time ago, and the world could have totally changed, but I think we would be foolish if we didn't at least explore it. So presumably what you would have is some kind of reservoir tank, probably an underground tank up on the hillside somewhere. Yeah. Going up the volume and then it would flow down yield by gravity, something like that. Yeah, that's the general idea where the property itself is already a few hundred feet above the village to begin with, and we'd probably send it up another hundred feet or so, you know, and that would be where it would make sense if this was something that we wanted to think about would probably need to identify how much storage we would need for whatever the service area would be. And so that would be where, because we're already going to be doing some percentage of this, that would almost be like your match in a way, because we would give that to you. Basically, as a beginning, you would save you a lot of money, you wouldn't have to do all the research because we would have discovered it already if you follow what I'm saying. And I talked a little bit with Julie Beth Hines who works with us some, and, you know, she was successful in Weitzfield in getting both sewer and water money for the town of Weitzfield. And asked her just to begin thinking about what would it cost to be able to fund someone to do that work if it wasn't her, you know, so that we could think long-term about how does it, how is this something that's a net win for you and not just, oh my gosh, we don't have the money, we don't know how to get from here to there in the short-term, you know, we're gonna sort of be going part of the way. So it's food for thought. Yeah, it's definitely food for thought. Other board members, your thoughts? Just food for thought and Russ, you've got a lot of work to do anyway to get this thing off the ground. You're going to be doing the water thing for your project anyway, correct? Yeah, my thought is if we're gonna be doing it for ourselves anyway, and if what we don't wanna do is do something and get it in place, and then it's sort of like I ran into this in another town in Tennessee where we were doing a big music festival where they had run water lines that were six inch and then where we were, they had, for whatever reason, downsized it to four inch and so we couldn't tap into it. I would hate to make that kind of mistake, you know? Yeah, here's my concern is we just gotta keep track of the timing because if this project is gonna include the town, it's gonna affect the size of the reservoir, it's gonna affect a lot of things because you're gonna wanna have enough capacity that you can do additional development on your property. If we're gonna hook up to this, meaning the town hook up to what we wanna have, would wanna have additional capacity, I mean, who knows what the growth of the village might be? It's not gonna be tremendous, but over time, there could be additional things going on in the village and we wanna make sure that there was potential water capacity to do that. That's correct. And that's why I'm saying the two wells that we drilled, pretty good producers is probably likely that using these kinds of technologies, if it wasn't enough, it would either increase the size of storage to compensate for that, which is the normal way of doing it and or drill another well, which would then increase your isolation distance from each other and other things. So I just am putting it out here so that we all can make really good decisions for the future and we don't put a limit in the way that would be impossible to undo and regrettable. I also know, assuming if we did this, we would wanna have hydrants, which would be important and also the potential for buildings to have sprinkler systems and all kinds of rules about how much capacity you have to have to have hydrants and sprinkler systems. So we'd have to look into that as well. Yeah, and I completely agree and I think that's one of the reasons why longer term from a sort of growth, controlled growth standpoint and economic development standpoint, if you had that kind of capacity, you would be able to say, okay, we could do this and that would attract some buildings that do or should be sprinkler because it's really expensive to sprinkle them. But once the sort of nut, the nut is amortized, then it's just the cost of the water on a daily basis or whatever that would be. And that becomes pretty minimal because it would be borne by the users. Yeah, well, I guess what I would say and I haven't heard much from anybody else, but I mean, we're intrigued by this idea. So keep us in a loop and let us know what we need to do and when we need to do it and we'll be in the standby mode. And at the same time, we'll start poking around to see with all, I mean, the federal tap appears to be closing on some of these issues. It's not gonna be like last year, but man, oh man, there's still money from what I know out there for water and sewer projects. So if all of a sudden there was a bundle of money, that would sweeten up the pot as well. So yeah, so that's part of why I'm sort of saying it because yeah, it's not gonna, this moment won't last forever. And if there is desire, it might be good to get ourselves, get yourselves in the queue, you know? You can always decide not to do something, but if you don't take an action, it's a preemptive nowhere, you know? Some of these things, you know, the permitting of a public water supply is not an easy process, that's gonna take a while. Yeah, so we're gonna bear that anyway. Yeah, but I'm just saying, it isn't like all this is happening tomorrow. We're talking about, as you said, eight years probably. Yeah, it'll take a year anyway to do it. We just have been working on converting small dog into a daycare for over a hundred. And so we spent a year going through the upgrading of the water system, all that kind of stuff, proving it, la-de-de-da-da-da, getting it to meet all the regs. So we're a little bit familiar with it. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, so that's it. We wanna continue being, you know, good neighbors. So I'm concerned to know if you're entering the Beardy Contest for us. The what contest? The Beardy Contest, which is very, very smart, yes. I didn't know there was such a thing. No, I might, I'll have to get some extensions. I think it's an opportunity for you. There's so many opportunities. Okay, thank you very much, Russ. We look forward to working with you. Yep. Thank you gentlemen. Okay, bye. See you next time. I mean, who knows where that all goes, but that would be an opportunity which we shouldn't likely let go by. That's for darn sure. Okay, joint meeting with the Middlesex Volunteer Fire Department, welcome. Here, Eric is here. I'm here. Hey, how's it going? Hey, beautiful rainy day in Middlesex. The plants are growing like crazy. Leaves are out like crazy. And maybe the brush fires will stop now. That would be a good thing. Which is the rain, which would be a good thing. That's definitely a good thing. So I've got a monthly update for you. Since Jeff is not here, you get to listen to me, spew it out. We're up to a total of 26 calls so far this year. We've had over seven, yeah, over seven the last month, three mutual aid outs and one mutual aid in. Max of members responding is seven. Minimum is one. Tanker mutual aid call out only requires a maximum of two. And then our average members responding is 3.6. Let's see, engine one has been out three times, zero times for engine six, tanker ones three times and rescue one three times. So far the calls are a vehicle rollover on the interstate. We had five responders there. Let's see, that was on the 21st of April, the 25th of April we had a mutual call out to Worcester for a brush fire. May 1st, we had a mutual call out to Berlin for a structure fire.  May 2nd, we had a mutual aid out for Montpellier, route 12 for bull dock for a car versus telephone pole.   Let's see, training, we had pumper operations with dry hydrants, repairs, we've replaced the light bulb on rescue one, and we purchased a multi-gas meter using donated money. And members of the department continue to work on vaccine pop-up clinics. Let's see, we have 12 total calls reported for a FAST squad, 10 medical calls, and two were in conjunction with the fire department calls. So that's pretty much a overview of the last month. Sounds like you've been pretty busy. We have been. And how are we doing on membership? Any development there? Haven't had any new lately, no. Okay. But we're still keeping the word out. Yep. Thank you. What's the current size now, Eric? We have 10, 12, something like that. 10. 10, yeah. It'll always be good to have a few more. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. So a couple of things that I have, and I mentioned it to Jeff. Okay. And I guess he's working on it, but we had a meeting, oh, roughly two weeks ago, select board meeting, talk about the use of the ARPA funds, which the town has. And one of the issues that came up was the needs of the fire department. Okay. And this is an opportunity potentially to purchase turnout gear. We know you guys need a new, new or a new used, hopefully rescue truck, et cetera. So I asked him to try and put together at least some rough numbers about what that was gonna cost. So if you could follow up with him just so we can have that information. I'm not promising you, you can do what we can do all those things, but I think the turnout gear is an easy winner to get that taken care of, which would be great. Sounds good. Yeah, I will check in with him on that. Okay. Okay. And it is not urgent, but for us to have that information would be helpful. Awesome. I think the other thing I have is just to think about, we keep talking about this transition. If we're gonna do this transition, which basically, and help me out, Sarah, if I've got this wrong, but I think all it requires is a select word vote. I think we would wanna have some kind of informational meeting or I think use the word public hearing because I don't think it'd be that formal. But anyway, make sure we get the information out to the public and they understand what's going on before we do that. And in my mind, I've been thinking that we would potentially do that this fall, assuming everything's going along well and you guys are still agreeing that this is a good way to go forward and the select word is still agreeing it's a good way to go forward. I think it's probably really the only way to go forward, but that's my point. Yeah, well, I think we all agree. We just gotta pull a trigger on that. So I guess if you guys can see any problems or concerns, we need to know what they are.  We can certainly pull a meeting together on our end and discuss that so that we have feedback from everybody and kind of bring that forward. I just wanna be sure we're taking baby steps or maybe bigger than baby steps in the right direction. Other board members thoughts on this? Does that sound right to all of you? Yeah, sounds right to me. I just did wanna thank you guys for having Sarah send out the report that you just did. That's nice to be able to have it in front of you. Yeah, we try to do that for sure. I think the only thing that pops into my head and I think this ties into the public meeting or whatever you wanna call it that Peter was mentioning was just making sure that the town residents understand that this is done as a joint effort and with support from both sides. I think that's extremely important. Yeah, I agree, Randy. That's the whole deal is that we're doing this together as the best way to move forward for the town and fire protection and fire protection in the town. Absolutely. The other thing I would just mention quickly to you, Eric and I don't know if you were listening in when Russ Bennett was here. Did you hear that conversation? I will ask for 10 minutes or so of it. Okay. There is the potential they have found on the Colby farm a lot of water capacity, potentially. And he is willing to discuss a system where the town would be able to tie into that water which would mean potentially we could have hydrants in the village. We could have sprinkler systems in new buildings or even retrofitted in old buildings. And the residents could have plenty of pure clean water which would be great. That's definitely off in the future. That's not happening tomorrow. But it's an exciting thing to think about. Yeah, that's actually very exciting. Absolutely. Hydrants would make a huge difference in the village. And also just in terms of ability to fill tankers and get out into the countryside. You can tie into a hydrant. That's a wonderful thing. Anyway, just so you guys know that that's going on and we'll certainly keep you in the loop as that goes forward. Sounds good. Anything else, board members? About the good work. So I'm thinking and I'm just thinking but having public meetings in the summer is tough getting people together. So I'm thinking maybe we would point towards having whatever our public process is gonna be having some time in September. Does that make sense? If that's works, yeah, I'm good with it. Yeah, okay, great. Great. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Be safe. Yes, enjoy your evening. Okay, we will. And Eric. Highway Department update, action possible. Sarah, did you have something? No, I was just complimenting Eric. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, right. Thank you. Actually meet in person, you know, I know it's nice. Boy, I'll tell you though, you know, things are not good in Washington County right now. I don't, I don't think the time to really meet in person is here yet, but anyway. So Highway Department update, Victor. Yeah, a few things go on in the last couple of weeks. We did want to discuss if we can use some ARPA funds for doing some of the prep work for the center road paving project, such as the culvert crossings. And we've, I've reached out to a couple people and waiting to get some idea of what it would cost. Just to do culverts, Shane thinks he's, we still want to do the ditching and berm removal. So didn't we have a number, a provisional number at least Victor, last year about what we thought those culverts would cost? Well, we don't, we have culverts, we have the culverts. I'm talking about digging the, and replacing the ones that we have to replace. No, no, no, I understand that. But we had, when we were going over last fall and I don't have those numbers in front of me, what the potential cost to that project was, I think we had a number, at least a guesstimate number for what that, would be. I do not recall that. No, I don't think so. Okay. Well, then I would say the first, the first step in the process is to try and, to try and get a number. I mean, we're going to be, you know, I think we came up with, I think we came up with a laundry list. The way exceeded our ARPA funds. When we were having our, we had our, the way exceeded our ARPA funds. When we were having our, our general discussion, but certainly that's a potentially, potentially good use of the money. We just got a, got away with the other things we're trying to look at. So to get us a, to get us a number to plug into our grid, so we can be thinking about it would be good. Okay. That's why, you know, I mean, that number would come from somebody, from the people that we check with that. We're checking with that. Would give us a price for, you know, a potential price for doing that. I mean, I'm sure the way things are in. Yeah. Right now. Who knows what the price with would be with, you know, $6 a gallon fuel and. And all that. So. Certainly going to be more, more than what we thought it was a year ago. That's for darn sure. But I just want to make sure that we have. Before we, before we start down the road of actually doing that project, we know what the costs are and where the money's going to come from. We know we've got the paving grant. But the other work that we're going to have to do to accomplish this, we need to figure, figure out what the cost is going to be. And in addition, we got the grant for shady real paving project also.  Well, that's good. No, so I've not heard that. It's, but there is one thing. Is there an environmental study that are environmental. Requirements. That have to be met, but I'm not quite sure what those are yet. So we would like, we would likely do that next year. Correct. Not this year. That's correct. Yeah. We're going to have. We're going to have enough to do with the center road project that we've got going on. Yeah. I mean, we almost have to hire somebody to, to help out on that because we, we don't have the equipment and we don't have probably the manpower to do it. Right. Well, they're too deep, right? For our excavator. Yeah. Even if they're not, I mean, they certainly, we don't have trench boxes and. Right. We don't have. We don't have per se. So we're going to have to, we're going to have to hire somebody to, to. Some way to, uh, for traffic control. Right. Whatever sort you want to do. Right. Well. Whatever we're going to do, we're talking about, we're talking about the paving project going on in August and September. Right. That's potentially what Hutchins. Indicated as, uh, what, as you heard last. I just want to keep going. From what I hear about getting contractors to do anything, whether it's panning a few nails or digging a ditch, we better. We better get on this and get somebody lined up to do it. If we're going to go ahead with this project. Like I said, I got one definite interest in one, maybe. Okay. Okay. It's the best I could do this week. No, I hear. I think it's in your. Should be in your email. I think I got an email. I must have missed it. I didn't, I didn't see it. We can get that to you. Okay. Well, just be nice to know now is there. There's a match associated with that also, right? Yeah. I get to that information. We'll send it out there. Okay. Email it to you. Okay. Thank you. I would say, I would say it should be likely that we would do that after July 1st. A year from this July 1st, because there's nothing in next year's budget for this. That's for sure. Correct. I think we're going to have, I think we're going to have all we can, all we can chew on to get the center road. Project completed. Regarding the, the note, the email that I sent, I guess I just sent it to Vic. And I think I said to you, Peter, to the treasurer and to Shane, but it's just a note saying you, your application has been granted. This project may require an undergo environmental review, but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the administrative authority. To give an undergo, to undergo environmental review. But there was no documentation. There's no saying exactly how much the grant was for. Okay. Okay. That's why I didn't remember. Ah, hahaha. Okay. So moving right along here. You know, having issues with our, ah, with our. Cloride truck. Pretty serious. It's a 1984. You know, we can't really grade too much more if we don't have a good chloride truck. And it quite honest, I think it was last Tuesday. Yeah, last Tuesday. And we did get it running Thursday morning. It was a matter of getting fuel. To start it with, it was only a matter of bleeding the system, but it took a while to get there. But then after we got it going, they pulled it over to the, we got chloride last Thursday, filled that whole tank, or 4,500 gallons. And then they discovered a hole in the oil pan on the truck. So we had to stop that. And we have one coming out of Texas. And where else the crew today, Charles, and worked on getting that ready as soon as it comes in. I guess they can put it in. They were having a little difficulty removing it, but hopefully we'll be able to get that going relatively soon. Like I said, the truck is pretty old. My ears picked up when Eric said something about they wanted to trade one of their trucks in with an emergency truck. And I don't know just a minute ago, but anyway. And first, we don't have any money, but the issue with putting it in the back of the freight line here is that the hydro cedars in the back. And there's been some thought of getting a small trailer, but we don't have any money. So I don't know how, how, how about, how we go about that. So that you would have a trailer with all the tanks on it and, and, and storage for the hydro mixture. The problem, you know, the problem with that, that old fire truck is, yes, it's all doesn't have very many miles on it, but it gets used so intermittently. You know, if we fired that thing up and ran it every week, it'd probably be fine.  The brakes aren't going to work right that, you know, the fuel system is going to be bleeding all that. So. Well, that was, that was pretty much due to a solenoid. And we had a, we had, we put the old one back in and it, it happened, they had one, they replaced it and they put it back in and it was, it fired up. But the, but the, but the truck, I mean, if you take a look at it, it's, it doesn't pass inspection at all. And the hood, if you take the, the electrical cord that goes through the headlights is what holds the hood from falling on the ground. Well, that sounds like a good safety feature. Yeah. And, you know, it's pretty corroded in the back around the springs and in the frame in the back. I mean, it's old. I'm not disagreeing with you. I actually, I actually liked the idea of, of finding a, finding a trailer. But, you know, there's no money left in this year's budget, but look around and see what you can find. Oh, there's a nice one in the auction last weekend. He went to the auction. Do boys auction where we're talking about, they had one with a, I went for it relatively cheap too. Well, let's keep our kind of squint in your eyes.  And then the phone starts to ring. My phone was certainly ringing. And you know, people aren't wrong. We had to put down, we had to put down a bunch of that expensive fine snow because of the stone, not snow. Stone because of the mud. And then it dries right up. And then we have billowing clouds of dust and our residents are ripping mad about the dust. And we weren't able to, we weren't able to do anything with chloride because we weren't, we weren't up and running yet with a chloride. I mean, we need to, the days, what I'm saying is I think the days are gone. When we can have some kind of a half baked solution to our, to our chloride. Yeah, we actually did Peter. We actually went over there and graded that. And we actually on, whatever day it was, Tuesday. Yep. Monday was the explosion Monday evening was the explosion and Tuesday, I went over early in the morning and I said, we got to go do. We got to go do that. That we graded it. And they did have some chloride on that truck and they put it on there and we kept going down the center road, but then they, they had the truck broke down over on Culver Hill. We had to have it towed. So we kind of like a thousand over a thousand bucks on that truck in the last week. Yeah. That's not a good. Not a good scenario. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's, I guess we, you got that email last night. I don't know if you want to talk about that now about from my own account. Before.  From the. Go ahead. Randy. Before you move on from the grading conversation. Is. Is the reason that we weren't out all this last week. Grading. Because of the breakdown of the chloride truck. It was partially, but yeah. Well, and then we had, we didn't. The crew went to the state. Meeting up at our. Event up at the. Barry auditorium for all state and municipal people that wanted to go. It's a. Place where a lot of vendors show up and you find out, you know, you can see new stuff coming out that you can buy and you can talk to people that are in the same business as you are or same line of work. So that, that day we didn't grade because. They went to that. And then. Let me just interrupt you a second. So I know it is in our practice over the years. To have the entire road crew go to those meetings. Yeah. And I just wonder if that's the best use of our resources.  We gave up three people for a whole day. And we have to be careful. I mean, I think it's just, I mean, I'm going to be there and I'm going to be careful how I say this, but basically have a party with their buddies up there. Now. If they were looking to find somebody to hire, that might have been an opportunity for that, I guess. But I mean, I think it makes sense for. For you to go to that Victor, if you want to go and maybe the road form and go, but I don't think we need to send the whole road crew to that in the future. But that's just my. Yeah. Yeah. I think you said, Randy, we had a four day week. That was one of our four days. Yes. Verify the guys, only two of the people went and they went in the morning.  We lost one of our four days for road construction and repair activity. Let's put it that way. And I, if they're entitled to the time off, they're entitled to the time off, but it's just something to think about going forward. How we want to. How we want to go forward. And then they, we worked on the truck Thursday morning, the chloride truck, and then the oil thing went, and then everybody went home in the afternoon. You know, all. All I'm saying guys is. There we had, and I think Randy would agree with them. We had four beautiful sunny, warm, dry days. And we had a pretty unproductive week because of the issues that we had. We had a lot of work to do. We had a lot of work to do. That isn't what we want to be doing. I don't think that should be our, our goal. We, we get it. I mean, now we're, now we're back in the, back in monsoon season again. Well, didn't you speak? Didn't you say, are you still thinking about that and having a discussion? With the road crew. Yeah. I mean, I'm. About, about what a discussion about what. So what I'm concerned about is, and I talked to, and I talked to Victor about it.  I'm not talking to the guys, but it just set me off last week that. You know, very little was it. Now I understand stuff was going on behind the scenes, but in terms of productive work for improving and maintaining the roads, there wasn't a lot going on. And that I have the same feelings, Peter. I agree with you. That's discouraging to me. I'm not sure that. And I want to be careful how I say this, but. I want Shane to take control of that road crew. And I want us to be able to hold his feet to the fire. About decisions that are being made. About what, I mean, I would have, I would have sent him out and had him cut brush if they didn't have anything else to do. So I mean, if the issues. If the issues that they. They want the afternoons off. I mean, maybe the conversation is let's go to a five day work week. And don't work the 10 hour, 10 hour days. And if, if that's really what you want, if you want to get done it, you know, three 30 or three o'clock or whatever, maybe that's the conversation to be had. I mean, I think personally, I, I think that opens up a lot of flexibility dealing with weather and all kinds of stuff like that, especially through the summertime.  But if they, if, if three days out of the last week, they left early every single day. Maybe, maybe that's a conversation worth having. Well, that's, that's my point. So what I was, what I was thinking of, and we never, we never finalize it because I wanted to, you know, talk about it tonight, but whether it's, whether it's Victor sitting down with Shane or, or myself and Victor sitting down, I don't know, I don't know how we go forward with this or we can, we can discuss it in a, in a select board meeting. But you know, I just get the feeling that there's a lot of hanging around at the shop when they could be doing meaningful work. And I don't know that that's the case. I'm not there, but it sounds like it's a case. So. Hey, I think Peter, that if you're going to do that, I think you should have two select board members. I, I think that they should, I think that Shane should come do a meeting and have it on the agenda and do it, do it as a, as a board. I actually like that. I actually like that better. And I want, I want him to know, I, I want to be very careful how I say this. And I have a, I have a feeling that Shane tends to operate. On a consensus model management, shall we say, I mean, he's used to being a member of the road crew and not being in charge of the road crew. And there's a difference. And I just want them to know that I expect him to be the leader of the road crew and not, not have them tell him what they want to do, but have him tell them what they should be doing and make sure, make them sure they do it. And I just want them to know about that and, and making sure that he understands that if, if there's not follow-through on their end, that the select board's here to support, support him and back him and that. So, you know, that's, I think that's absolutely right. I agree with you. So let's, let's put Shane on the, on the agenda for our next board meeting, Sarah, please. And Vic, if you would let him know also that would be great. Let him tomorrow, let him know tomorrow morning. No, just let him know what our, what our, what our general concerns are. I don't, I don't want to cause a big, a big hurrah about this, but you know, this all harkens back to, this is four day work schedule will really work. And I'm coming around to thinking more and more than it isn't working, but I don't, I don't know if the four day week, because part of the problem are part of the, part of the solution. We're stuck with it for this year, but we just need to get in the other thing we need to do, which I don't know what more we can do, but we're, we're getting nowhere in terms of hiring our new road crew members. So I don't know what more we can do to get the word out, but we need to, we need to do it and we need to try and find somebody. I guess we've got, we've got nothing Victor from our potential bonus for our existing employees, right? Correct. The only thing that might be impossible in the wind, there's some people that might want to, and I don't know how that will work out. I've discussed it with Shane. He's interested, uh, hiring somebody with, uh, on a part-time basis. I like for the summer and see how it'll work. I mean, as a bandaid, as a bandaid, you know, maybe this is a bandaid as a bandaid. Correct. But we need, we need four people on the road crew. I mean, if we have a, if we have a snowstorm and one or two members of the road crew are sick, we're in, we're in trouble. We don't have enough people to get in the trucks and, and do what needs to be done. And having made the step to go to a four person road crew for all those reasons, I'm, I'm interested in having a four person full-time road crew, but you know, whatever we have to do in the meantime to make sure we get the work done, we should do. But I don't know whether we start, I mean, I don't know. Some of the towns are, are, are offering the higher on bonus now. So maybe we should, in, in addition to our, our, our little ticker for, for employees who bring a survival candidate who gets hired, maybe we should start advertising the higher on bonus. I don't know, but I do not want to go into next winter with a three person road crew if we can possibly avoid it. So I think we're all on the same page, Peter. Yeah. So Sarah. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Yes, I'm here. So we've. We've still got our position. Listed on that website, right? Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. And no action. No action. I called other towns too and asked them for their rejects. And there are no rejects. They hire the rejects. Maybe we should contact the corrections department. Maybe we should hire a few of them. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. They can make the signs. I think Victor, I think Victor and Shane would look good with, with 12 gates shotguns, port arms and sirens. No, no. No, I don't know. I'm just being ceaseless about that. I mean, what, what do you think board members about offering now? I don't know that it'll make any difference, but we got to do something. Well, it's. Peter really. Isn't the issue. Excuse me. Isn't it really the issue.  And the trades have kind of gone. Isn't that what. The present let's just legislature is finding out. It's just, there's just not people out there. That can do the kind of work. That want to work for a town. That's certainly part of the problem. I agree. But I have to believe at some amount of money or under some circumstances. We would be able to hire somebody. I mean, I would be able to hire somebody. I mean, I would be willing to hire an interested young candidate who wants to get trained. Maybe I mean, to think that we're going to get somebody who can operate heavy equipment, drive a plow truck, do all the things that we want to remember to do. Clearly we're not succeeding at that. So, you know, if we have, if we have somebody who's basically a gopher for a couple of months and can learn to, can learn to drive the, the pickup and, you know, start slowly being able to do productive work, maybe that's the approach we have today. And there were a lot of kids, there were a lot of kids graduating from high schools. They've got to be looking for work and they're not all going to college. I can tell you that. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just throwing out ideas. Yes. If we try contacting these driving schools where they get their CDLs that they put something out to their students. Idea. There's, you know, like, we have one right in Barry. And, you know, that would be, um, that if you've got ahead of the graduating group or whatever, that, you know, I think we have to do everything we can do, but I think, I think a, considering a sign on bonus and be considering, you know, not saying that a CDL was an initial requirement. Well, I mean, we'll hire them to send them to the school and haven't got their CDL. I don't know. Wow. I think it's the marijuana loss. I think now that it's legal and all over the place. I think we have to do everything we can do, but I think. I think a considering a sign on bonus and be considering. I think now that it's legal and all over the place, you can't. No one wants a CDL because you can't, you can't work. They don't pass the test. It'll pass the test. That'll be the next thing that change. Oh, no. I don't think we're looking. I don't, you know, that's a good idea to render everything. Everybody's good ideas, but we're not looking for a truck driver. We got, we got truck drivers enough. We're looking for somebody that can run the excavator. Can run the greater can run the will loader back home. But all I'm all I'm saying, Victor, is whether, whether it's a truck driver or an equipment operator, maybe we got to hire somebody and send them to school and train them. That's all I'm, that's all I'm saying, rather than expect to find somebody with experience, it's going to immediately go to work. Well, I think you got to find somebody with natural talent first. Well, the heavy equipment is really only used during the summer months, right? And it's more just plowing and. Um, you know, grading or whatever in the winter. Is that true or no. No, I mean, you're right. It's snow plowing and sanding in the wintertime. But I mean, we still have to maintain the roads. I mean, there's a lot more than just running the greater down the road. And we have to do, you know, somebody that we have to have somebody that's really good on ditching and putting stone in and. You know, fixing the road places that are eroded. You know, not all the time can we use an excavator. Sometimes we have to use that. It's more practical to use the wheel loader backhoe. So. All I'm, all I'm saying. Victor is if we can't find somebody with experience, you hire somebody without experiencing your training. That's all I'm saying. And you know, you start them out. Maybe I don't know what the easiest thing to operate is to start them out on the. On the loader and the sandpit where hopefully they can't get too much trouble. Work up to the excavator and the greater. I don't know, send them to school. They're schools. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a good job and a good opportunity for the right person. It's just discouraging to me that we can't find that person. You're absolutely right, Peter. It's a good job. We pay well. It's good. Everything. Good benefits. Good benefits. Everything. So how do we. If we wanted to even explore that. I like your idea of contacting the driving school. That's a, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How would we reach out? So kids that are getting, getting graduating from high school right now as we speak. Where are they going to look for work? Creamy sand. But I'm just saying, I think we need to. I think we need to put the word out. And we've got to, we've got to carefully craft what we say. Yeah. And. Employee. Employment and training. Yeah. I would think specific that we're willing to train. Yes, Sarah. I have contacted employment and training about this. I did not say that we're willing to train, but they, they are those. I've had those conversations with those guys. Yeah, but I think the. I think changing the pitch of our ads saying. You know, we're willing to train somebody to CDL is not a requirement. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's a, maybe it's a crazy idea, but somehow. Somehow, I mean, it wouldn't take, it wouldn't take that much to get the right person hired. And have them driving the pickup. Next winter, you don't need a CDL to drive the pickup, right? No. I don't know. And whenever a school comes up for a backhoe operator or loader operator or greater operator, we send them to the school. I don't know. I don't know. I think we've got to start somewhere. It's a lot better.  I think. I think. If you made it so the CDL was or obtaining a CDL within this period of time. And they didn't have to have it on day one of employment. But, you know, and I don't know what the schools are six weeks or something like that. I think Drew's runs through their program or something like that. So you could, you know, within the first six months. You know, I'm sure somebody could obtain a CDL. Are they going to be the most experienced people know. But, you know, it does, it does get somebody through the door. I think you just need to be careful about. Just filling a position to fill a position, though. I mean, it would have to be the right candidate, somebody who's, who's got some ambition behind them. And I just think you'd want to screen that. Appropriately. Or rigorously, not appropriately, but. Well, both. No, I. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if they were, if, if we send them to school and they work for us to two years and they go on and do something else, maybe that's a win-win. I don't know.  We'd have to have some kind of. Some kind of. The school, you know, Assuming I'm working for us for a year or whatever. I don't know. I'm not even isolating it to the young kids. I'm thinking about there are other people in the construction world that. That can operate some of this machinery and whatnot. I just don't have a CDL. So. Right. Removing that barrier for them. And just saying.  You're going to agree to go to school to get your CDL. But you come in with some experience running machinery. That's, that's huge to me. I don't know. And they can do a lot of the summertime stuff while they're going to school. And maybe it's something where you compensate them for their time to go to school to some. Some manner. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I think we need to do that. But I also think that people at employment and training could give us some. Guidance on this. This is what they deal with all the time. Sarah, would you, would you reach out to them and explore this idea with them? Yeah. I mean, I even, I, when we're, when our septic was getting pumped, I even hit up the guy at Kingsbury.  They still have positions to fill and they pay really, really well.  They're looking for, they're looking for everybody looking for CD, CDL drivers. I'm just looking at their website right now. It's, it's, they, they talked to me about whether or not I know anybody. I get it. I'm just, I'm just trying to figure out. How to reach out to a different. I will, I will do that. I will call employment and training. And then I'll call. Go over to. Vic, is it. Should I call? Is there any. Who should I call around here? Is it like it's not Barry or whatever. The vocational second. They don't teach that stuff there. Do they, or do they? No, no. No, it's, it's, I'll pick the, I used to be up in Susana's. Drew. That's it. Yeah. Okay. I'll just, I'll just, when I get some time next week or this week, I'll try it. I'll just call around and do the same thing. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll just call around and do the same thing that I did with the towns, which is asked for any rejects or people who. You know, just needed that training. That might help. Here's my latest and greatest crazy idea. I keep seeing these. Shows on television where women are learning how to operate heavy equipment and they have programs specifically for women. So I'm going to start off the road crew by firing that couple of ladies. So close to a lawsuit. I cannot even just stop. Stop speaking. Okay. Yes. Women in minorities. Full stop period. Let's move on. Okay. Okay. Just say that shouldn't be a radical concept. I'm not saying anymore. We're open to any and all reasonable, carefully vetted opportunities. How about that? Perfect. Okay. I think we, I think we'd be in this one to death, but I think we just need to, we need to keep moving every way we can. Every way we can move. And what do we think? From that, Peter. I'm sorry. Yeah. Before we move on from that, just one, one area that I'm still on clear on anybody's response to, I think. Victor had a comment about potential part-time hire over the summertime. Yeah. Or whatnot. Did we, did anybody have any feelings about that? I'm in favor of that option. If we can find a good and, and, you know, as, as I've said in the past. You know, if, if we have people, if we know of people or confined people who are interested in our time work plowing snow, I mean, whatever. You know, whatever we can get. I mean, we got a retired person who wants to work. 12 weeks in the summer. And they're a heavy equipment operator. They can operate the excavator. They can operate.  So yeah. I mean, we're going to be really challenged this summer to get the work done that we plan to do. We're already behind. And, you know, with three people, we're only going to be more beyond. So my feeling is, yes, you can find, if you can find good people who are ready to come part-time, let's hire them. Did anybody disagree with that? Nope. Okay. Use all. And I would, I would go as far to say without, without the CDL. Yeah. I agree with that. I mean, I, I think the CDL is a, is a hurdle. And I agree with you, Randy. I think there are quite a few people who can operate heavy equipment who don't have CDL. Okay. Anything else, Victor? Just the I own a thing. You got, I own a. Yeah. Yeah. We went, went up there today and took a look at it and. I think we found the cause of that and. Shane and. It's heading up with, and, and I'm going to try to fix that tomorrow afternoon. After he gets done with Baldock road. So what exactly, what exactly is the problem there? Is it the way we graded the road? No, no, I don't believe so. I think it's. There's a driveway up above her house. I think it's actually her brother. She said. I called her and told her we were coming up tomorrow to do it. And her chain was coming up. And. I think it's, I think it's the driveway is. As it's described as the driveway up above is, is. We put the town puts some material in there. I think a couple of years ago, and I think in the driveway, and I think that's causing some of the water to go towards her house instead of going across the road and down the ditch on the opposite side. Whatever it is, it's the town's responsibility to fix it. I mean, it's our road that's causing the problem, not the driveway. I would not say that. I just want to be careful and this is harkens back to another old discussion, but. You know, when somebody gets a new driveway permit, they have to fix it. They have to fix it. We tell them they have to create the driveway such that the road, the water doesn't pour down the driveway and into the town road, but you can drive up and down our roads. And there are many, many, many, many driveways that if they were built that way originally, they're not that way anymore. And the water is just. Sluicing down these driveways into the road and causing all kinds of problems, but. I don't know if there's any issue there, but. But without getting into too much detail here tonight, we will, we'll attempt. Shane and the boys will attempt to fix that tomorrow. And if there's an issue, I'll get back to you. Okay. That's good. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Brenda. Yes. First thing is the CB fiber commitment letter. Yeah, Sarah sent along. And I don't know if anybody, you probably all read on front page forum, the other towns that have. Donated or are going to contribute. Some, so they're up. They were 153,000 and this will make them at 253. The other towns did 50,000. And one town did 53,000. That's what I saw. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. This letter sounds fine to me. Okay. I think it's in your in the yellow folder for you to sign. Peter. I'll stop down tomorrow and sign it unless anybody disagrees. Yeah, let's let's make sure we told them that we're doing this. So what happened was that I called, I contacted. The city. Jerry. I don't know. I'm giant diamond. What ever his name is from the CV, CV fiber board after I read that front porch forum posting and said, Hey, are you aware that. The middle sex did this and I attached the draft minutes. And he sent back a draft letter from. Cab and said use this. So it was this letter that I based your letter on. this because you've already approved it, right? You're already approved with it. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll stop down. I'll stop down tomorrow and sign it. Okay. The other thing I got was a bill in the mail from Main Street Law for, I guess, a conversation that you and John Riley had with review of Welch Park. Yes. So that's $405. It was not John Riley. I did not. No, it was from the bill came from Main Street Law, and it was the work on matters review Welch Park deeds and government documents. They had a phone conversation with John Riley, and then they had a phone conference with you. Yes, correct. And so the bill is $405. I need authorization to pay it. And is this something that is just all absorbed by us? Or how does this get split? Well, let me tell you exactly what happened, and then we can talk about it. So this is our attorney who I contacted and said, John Riley cannot represent us in this. He represents Welch Park. The town needs to know how we can get out of Welch Park or dissolve Welch Park or whatever it is. So it's our attorney billing us for the work he did to to work on that. So I think that's all I think that's all us. It's not Welch Park. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't Rob who did the work, Peter. I'm sorry, what? It wasn't Rob. Yeah. Yeah, it's the main street law. Oh, they changed their name? Okay. Yeah, they changed their name from whatever it was, Patterson Walk and. Yeah. Rizal and your camera and linebacker, whatever it was. Yes, it's not main street law. So anyway, this is our attorney working on our behalf, which brings up another question. We need to decide how we want to move forward on that. And I did, I did once again, contact our fearless president. He was supposed to get back to me and he has it. So I'm going to, I'm going to reach out to him again. But there are ways, there are ways for us to either dissolve Welch Park altogether, if that's the decision, or withdraw from Welch Park. If the other members of Welch Park want to keep Welch Park going. And believe me, I am very motivated to bring this to a conclusion. Yes. Yeah. One way or the other. Okay. And last but not least, I sent you guys late this afternoon, just on those summaries. I didn't know what your thoughts were on it. If that's something you want to go with, if you wanted to me to add something, take something off of it, whatever, if you even wanted to move forward with it. But I did take the time to do it. I'm sorry to render. I did see that come in at like 422 or something. And I'm going to look at it. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to look at it either. Okay. Then we'll table it for the next meeting or whatever. Well, is it something where you can just describe to us what it is? Well, it was just, you mentioned at the last meeting that something about putting together something that showed the employee wages and all of their benefits and where it shows what it all came out to. And that potentially it would be something you might hand out at the beginning of the fiscal year or, you know, whatever. If you were meeting with an employee, I don't know. You know, like you talked about one time and potential employee reviews, whatever you wanted to do. But so I put this together and I didn't know if that's what you were looking for or whatever. So that was more or less for you to review and let me know. No, that's great. I'm sorry. I didn't have it. I was busy getting everything else together. I didn't have a chance to look at it, but I will. And I'll get back to you. But I like the idea of doing that. I just don't want to create a monster, not a word for you guys. Well, it's all done. So I did it for just the full time employees because the other people are part time. They have no benefits and there's no set hours for anybody. So to do it for all employees just didn't really make any sense, unless you just want to hand them a piece of paper. But the template is done now. So no matter what happens, even if you were to hire in a new person, you could take this template and plug it in, you know, however you're going to whatever their wage was going to be, whatever. And you would have a document that would be show them this is, you know, how it all shakes out. Perfect. I think that's exactly what we were looking for. I think it was good doing that. I like it. Well, I did have a chance to look it over. I was just curious. I mean, this is a quick exercise annually. Now that this template is built and it's basically it's a plug in whatever somebody's hired at, you know, their hourly rate and whatever kind of negotiation process happens. But for existing employees, it's really just a matter of updating hourly rates and stuff like that are in a transition year between the amount of PTO that they acquire and stuff like that. So it's not a long exercise. No, it's not. Like I said, the template's there. So the only when you talk about like if it's a transition year, like there's one employee that's going to transition from one vacation level to a different vacation level during this next year. And so you just need to divide out how many weeks are going to get paid at this category and how many weeks are going to get paid at the new category. But other than that, it's just literally if you fill in the hourly rage and whatever category their vacation is, everything else remains the same because personal sick and holidays does not change per employee. I like the idea of being able to hand it over on an annual basis and showing them what their total compensation package looks like. Absolutely. I do too, because as much as we try and let them know what the costs of their benefits are, until they see it on a piece of paper, they don't really understand what it is. So yeah. Well, you have it for that. And you can look at it and then do what you want if you want to hand it out at July 1 or whatever. OK, thank you. Yeah, that's all I think I have. OK, thank you. We need to approve the minutes of our May 3 select board meeting and our May 12 emergency meeting. And probably we should do them separately, I think, because we had different people involved. So how about a motion for the May 3 minutes? Hey, Peter. Yes. Did everybody get those? When I looked at the email that was sent referencing the May 3 meeting minutes, it showed December 7 meeting minutes. And I don't know if it was just me that maybe I missed one, but did that? I can send it to you again. I mean, I'm sorry that maybe I hit the wrong button, but I don't think so. I spent a lot of time in that. I just, when I went to go review over these. I thought they were the right minutes when I looked at them. A while ago. I can send them to you right now, Randy, but it's a lot. It's a lot. Why don't we just, if he didn't have the right minutes, let's just pass over this for tonight and we can approve it in our next. OK, because if Liz isn't here, then you can approve the emergency meeting. Right. So we need to, right. We need to pass over that as well. OK. Sorry, guys. And no, no, no problem. And maybe I maybe I was in a fog bank and I was reading the old minutes and I didn't even realize it. Who knows? I think I think what Randy is confused by is that when I sent out the agenda for the May 3rd meeting, I included the December 7th minutes because of the because you guys were going to have a discussion about compensation and change. So maybe that's what he's getting confused by. But it's also possible that I accidentally left Randy off sending off the minutes last time. So that might be it. Sorry, let's let's send them out again. And we'll cover it at our next meeting. Thank you, Randy. OK, um, orders. We need to stop by and sign the orders. And I've got that letter I need to sign update on. I was actually thinking about this today, Sarah. Where are we on that FEMA buyout? So that is what this is about. Yep. OK, so just to fill in people like Randy, who we're here back then in 2018, Jennifer Evans, who lives at 28 Ridge Road, was having a really bad ice jam problem on her driveway. And she we Rich Road comes off the end of Three Mile Bridge Road, and we had done a buyout of 191 and 195 Three Mile Bridge Road to hop in a skip from her. So there are two structures on Rich Road, and that is Victoria Hallahan, who instead of being moved, had actually had her mobile home raised, paid for by a separate a third party organization. So she wouldn't have to move so she could still live there and still be flooded. And then next to her is Jennifer Evans. And when I spoke to Jennifer that winter, I asked her about why didn't she participate in the tropical storm Irene buyout. And she said, I don't know what the issue was. I think maybe some things fell through when the prior clerk was here, whatever. We had, I think maybe six weeks to apply for that tropical storm Irene FEMA buyout and we made it under the wire in March of 2018. Did not hear anything from FEMA until right when the pandemic hit, I'd say March of 2020.  And the whole scheme is that, I think it's 75% of federal money and then there's going or 70% will be the cost will be made up by federal money. And then 30% of the cost is made up by a third party organization. And believe me, there are plenty of third party organizations that want to give this money. So that would not necessarily have to come from Jennifer. The buyout is a multi-step process. It involves first of all, the town actually acquiring the property and the town acquires the property for the appraised value, not the town appraised value, but whatever an appraisal appraiser says. The next step after that is once the town owns the property, they have to, we, this is all coming from me, sends out bids RFPs for asbestos, asbestos consultants. Those asbestos consultants must be rated according to minority owned and women owned businesses given preference and we create a spreadsheet. And then I give that to the board and the board goes through and picks an asbestos surveyor. That person comes back with a consultant comes back and says you do or do not have asbestos. If like the last time you did have asbestos, you then need to send out RFPs for asbestos contractors to remove the asbestos. That is also a process that must be very formal, must be done with following federal protocols. That contractor comes in, removes the asbestos. In the meantime, you're also sending out RFPs for someone to deconstruct not only the dwelling or in all the outbuildings, but also to dig up wire and electricity or septic. The whole idea is that you've removed, you put everything back into its natural state as possible. And then an easement is usually granted to something like the town or to the, that's maintained by the conservation commission that therefore prevents any development from taking from building on that place ever again. The whole concept of this is that the federal government wants to get rid of these properties, these dwellings that are in their flood zones. So here we are, 2020, right when this hit was a bad time. We were just, we had no staff, the office was closed. The first thing we did was we started, I started looking for appraisers. I got Marco Garcia after sending out informal RFPs to who said he could come back with an appraisal of Jennifer Evans property by July 31st, 2021. He got back October, 2021, because we have such delays. And when he also came back with that appraisal, the appraisal was $215,000 for a property that in our tax records is $102,000. So now I had to go back to FEMA and say, look it, we've given us an original award that doesn't even cost the price, that it doesn't even cover the price of this house. So they, in March, FEMA returned with a letter saying, all right, we're gonna give you $77,000 more guaranteed. And depending on what the deconstruction costs are, we'll consider, we'll consider perhaps giving you more. So now the total award is 259,100. That's not including all of the deconstruction costs, but is also including the 30% match. But the price of Jennifer's house is 215,000, which leaves us with $44,000 to do an asbestos survey and remediation. And just to give you a ballpark, the last time we had in 2014 to do the 191 and 195 asbestos removal, and that was two small patches, one on a roof, one in a sink, the bids were coming in at over $40,000. And we actually ended up hiring Jason Merrill to do the job at $20,000, and the state was not pleased, but that's okay when we got a little bit of trouble. So now we're dealing with, so now we don't have much money, but to make the bottom line is that this project must be completed by July 31st, 2022. That's in X number of weeks. And Stephanie Smith, who may or may not be in this conversation, I don't know, who is with FEMA, has said that we could get an extension if the board decides, A, to commit to this project by June 1st, and commit also has made substantial progress. And that substantial progress would be, the title search is done and completed on the property, the closing has happened, and the asbestos survey has happened. And where I am right now as the person handling all this, as well as doing all my other duties, is we're dealing with a pandemic back load that is, I mean, I think it's unprecedented, and I'm also worried about the inflationary cost of materials. So I'm bringing this to you, because I honestly don't see how we can possibly do this right now. And I don't wanna disappoint Jennifer. I'm very, it's a very, very frustrating situation, but we're also kind of stuck. So that's where we are. So- So Sarah, this is Stephanie. Can I jump in first? Yes. So hi, I apologize that I'm on the phone and so you can't see me, but I'm Stephanie Smith. I work at Vermont Emergency Management for the state and I manage the FEMA funding. And just a couple of notes based on Sarah's comments. So that I just wanna make sure you guys are aware of while you're considering this, where things are now. So first, I am already requesting an extension to the deadline because there's another project under this round that needs an additional 15 months. So I am requesting an extension. The absolute worst case scenario is that if we did run out of time, we would move this to a different funding round that I currently have open where I have $11 million. So there's plenty of money and that if we did have to move it, it wouldn't mean anything on your end. It would only be that FEMA would have to update things on their end. So it wouldn't impact you guys at all if we had to move it to this other funding round. But when we're running out of time, sometimes FEMA tells us they don't wanna extend our period of performance for a particular round because it's so old and they wanna close it. So in this case, we have an additional $11 million round. So we could very easily move it into that. And in terms of the demo costs, as long as the scope hasn't changed, there's no reason why we would not get additional funding approved from FEMA to cover that overrun. The reason FEMA didn't approve additional costs for construction now is because we don't have an RFP. We haven't done an RFP, we haven't hired someone yet. But if we get bids back and they're high, they would give us additional funding and we wouldn't have to stop work. We could keep going and finish the demolition. So I don't think time is the issue and I don't think money is the issue either. I also spoke to Jen Evans yesterday and she's definitely still interested in the project. So at this point, the next step is that our office develops a temporary transaction agreement that includes the financials from the appraisal so that we're outlining how much funding Jen would get through the project. And that document needs to be signed by the town and by the property owner. And then once that's executed, the town attorney can pull the tie to do this search and start developing the document. So the only thing that I'm missing to create that voluntary transactions agreement is the field description of the property for the deed. So once I have that from the town attorney, you get that through school. And I already. You're going out, Stephanie. And she's still, oh, can you hear me? Yeah. Yes. You're breaking up. Okay, so I apologize. So I don't think it's an issue and I know that time has been a challenge for you guys. And I know Sarah's been very busy. So I don't see it as a concern. Those are, that's just my input, so. Hey, Stephanie, can I ask you- Go ahead, Sarah. With that transaction, would that agreement have to be signed by someone in the board by June 1st? No. Okay. No, so I just, there are all I need from you, Sarah, is that legal description of the property. And then I can finalize that so you guys can take a look at it and get it signed. Steve, I see various people raising their hands. Steve or Randy? Go ahead, Steve. You're muted. I was just curious that the town, is the town going to be liable for any money in this? No, the town will not be liable for any money. There's a $20,000 grant from the Vermont Disaster Recovery Fund and the rest. There we have a, well, it was coming through two rivers, the two rivers Regional Planning Commission who's been managing match for buyouts in the States. And then we also have a general fund allocation that was just approved that we'll be using for match for future projects. So there's plenty of match funding. Yeah, our premise in this, Steve, since we started is that we would work this out so there was no cost for the town. That was my question as well, was what kind of liability does the town have financially? And if we take, if the process is we have to take ownership of this before we know what some of these additional demo costs or the asbestos cost or the demo and all that kind of stuff, it sounds like there's not a concern on Stephanie's end as far as the additional money, but it doesn't sound like there's any real guarantee that we're 100% covered either. It's a, I would tell you, Randy, having been through this process a couple of times before, it's a little bit of a leap of faith, maybe more than a little, but it has worked out in the past. Well, and I'll tell you, out of that 11 million dollars that we have right now, we haven't even closed, that application round isn't closing until November or potentially February. If I get a little additional time, so there's no reason, I don't see any reason why we would not get additional funding if it was needed. If we had an asbestos quote that came back, that was 40,000, we would do an overrun and we would pay for it. Okay, so I just want to let the board know that this is all new to me. I did not know about the 11 million dollar funding round and as long as we got it in the notes and we've got Stephanie on the record and you guys are well aware of what's going on, as long as I'm not the person making this decision, but the board is making this decision, I'm okay to execute it. I just don't want to be the person who's responsible for making a decision. Understood. Yes, Torenda. We're going to be able to find the contractors needed to pursue this project because I'll tell you that is, I've got two brothers in the construction field and they're way, way out and the cost for everything is up 35, 40% and they're out months, I mean, long time out. Yeah, we've definitely seen delays with some of the other projects and that's another reason why it might end up making more sense just to move it under that other funding round so that we know we have enough time if it takes a year or whatever it is to actually get to the demo. Randy? I was just going to ask Stephanie what the timeline for deciding whether it was moved into this other one and then what is the execution timeline for this next round of funding that you're talking about? Yeah, so it's funding that's specific to the state. So we could, if we moved it now, we could continue the project now, we wouldn't have to wait. And for on my end, because I'm submitting the extension request to FEMA for this round of funding that this project's currently under anyway, I would probably wait to see if FEMA approved that and if they do, whether we think we'll have enough time and if we're worried that we won't, then we could move it. So does that make sense? This is a frustrating process. I think we all agree and I'm sure it's frustrating for you, Stephanie, but we are in it now and I think we need to continue to go ahead. But I don't know how others feel, yes, Phil. I agree, Peter. I think it makes sense to move to the next round of funding just because the timelines are just way too short for us to get anything done here at this point. So I'm certainly in favor of continuing to pursue this but would prefer to move it into that next round of funding. I'd like to see it all work out. Like I said, the big concern for me was the financial liability to the town if something fell through. So it sounds like you've been down this road before and things have a way of working themselves out but that's my biggest concern looking into this and being new to the process. Well, it is, especially at this time when it's so hard to hire contractors and prices are escalating faster than any of us can keep track of. But I can promise you, I won't be signing any orders for any checks from the town no matter what happens. We'll just stop the process. Well, it's a reimbursement grant like all federal things. So you have to be pay upfront. Yeah, no, I know. But we want assurance before we commit that we're gonna get reimbursed is all I'm saying. Right, and the actual home purchase, you don't have to front that. We would cut you a check for that piece. Everything else is reimbursement based. But if for some reason you don't have the ability to pay for something or you wanna request that we pay it upfront, we can do that. You just have to go through a request process for it. Great. I think as long as we have you and we have it in the record and on the record that the money's there to reimburse this I don't think that's an issue. But I certainly understand your concern, Randy. This is a different kind of a process than anything we normally do. So I guess just let me finish Stephanie. I don't know whether we need a motion to continue the process, whether we can just agree to send to the board that we're continuing the process and see how it goes during the year, probably like a motion, right? We don't, it's not, it's warned for no action. So I'm not sure. Okay, well we could take action at our next meeting. Yeah, I think I am gonna get Stephanie this property description. And then she can, I'm just gonna send her the deed from Jennifer Evans's place. And then she can draw up with the document and then you guys can vote on the document and approve it on the seventh. Yep. So Jennifer, I see you are here listening in. Do you have any questions or comments about this? You're part of this, obviously. Yeah, no, I'm just frustrated because we've had this conversation over and over again. Well, I understand, but we're doing the best we can do. So what's your pleasure, board members? We're gonna consider this, we can't take action tonight. So I guess we're gonna consider this at our next meeting. Right. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Trash on Portal and Bulldog Roads. I got a call from our, what's his title, Sarah? Help me out, Rob. A health officer. A health officer. Thank you. Thank you. We're gonna get tonight about this problem of a gigantic pile of trash. Not the property we've had the problem with before, this is a property slightly down the road across from the North Branch Cemetery. And he did send me photos, but he sent me the photos like five minutes before our meeting started, but I will forward along those photos so you can all see them, but there's a gigantic pile of trash there. And he's been negotiating with the property owner whose name is Sarah. Marinville. Marinville. Marinville, M-A-R-A-N-D-I-L-L-E. Yep, his niece is the one who is living there. And he made a commitment to clean up this trash over the course of the summer at two bags of trash a week, which Rob considered to be a joke. Basically he said it would take a year to clean up that pile of trash at two bags per week. And he also said, he thinks it's really not a health issue. He said, you know, is there some chance if there's garbage there and there are animals getting into the garbage, maybe it could become a health issue, but he considers it to be a trash issue. And I will forward along these pictures to look for you to see if it's a gigantic, it's a gigantic pile of all kinds of stuff from dead snow blowers to piles of garbage to whatever.   Thoughts? Yes, agreed. So Sarah, if you will craft that letter, I will sign it and we'll start the process. I mean, as you all know, when we've had these situations in the past, we've always tried to resolve them through increasingly firm letters. We have never gotten to the ticket process, but here we go again, starting down the road, but we do need to take action. I just wanna say that Robert Bowers seems to be on our, who seems to be listening in and we've sent him letters on to about his route 12 property. And I'm not sure if you guys are satisfied with the action that's taken place. They can still get complaints about it. Well, I would tell you I drive by there three or four times a week and I can't see that it's been substantially improved, but he's the tenant, not the owner of the property, right? No, he owns the structure and Down Street owns the land underneath the structure. Yeah. But the problem is on the land, not with the structure, I believe, right? Lots of them. I don't know how we should proceed, but I did see in the paper that Down Street has a new executive director. So maybe we should stir them up with a letter and Robert, if you have any comments about this, we'd love to hear from you, but we're frustrated that that situation continues to exist with very little improvement. Not there. Okay. So I would say we have two letters to send out and follow up on. Okay. Correspondents? I know. Okay, I have one other just very quick thing. I've been working with the Bandstand folks about a couple of issues. The relatively easy one, I think, is that they want to build at their expense a small eight by 10 foot storage building to be sited at the upper end of the Bandstand site up against the woods to store a bunch of their miscellaneous stuff in. The material has been stored in John Puglio's barn and he's no longer on their board and he would like the stuff out of his barn and they don't really have any other place to put it. Also, from the point of view of convenience, every time they have a concert, they have to go up and get the stuff and then take it back up there and it would be nice just to have it on the premises. Assuming we're okay with this, I would ask them just to give us a sketch of what that's gonna be a eight by 10 foot building with a door, no windows and a pitch roof, not a one plane roof to be stained, some dark color gray or brown or something so it fits in with the tree line. Anybody have any issues or concerns about that? Steve? Just as long as we pre-approve whatever they're gonna build. Right, well, I'm gonna ask them for a sketch of exactly what it's gonna be. Yes, Torenda? What if they used a framed off proportion of the old fire station inside, like against one of the walls or something and they wouldn't have to build another structure? Well, I asked him about that. I said, you know, you could put a three wall, like lean two shed on the side of the old town garage. I was thinking inside. He wasn't enthusiastic about that. This is to be done at their expense. And I also think we would ask them to sign an agreement that if it ever fell into disrepair or out of use that they would remove it. They're not asking for 10 money to do it. They're just asking for permission to put it there. Peter? I also asked a question about potentially, I don't know and we've lost, we've lost Victor, but the town still maintains control of one bay in that old garage. And I didn't know if some of the stuff just couldn't be stored in there, but. That was what I was thinking. Yeah, even if they locked, made a three sided there inside. Right. But the question is, well, there are a couple of questions. I don't know how the road crew would feel about that. We can find out. But I'd rather have them be responsible for their own stuff and not be in and out of our building. I mean, the lean two on the side made a little sense to me, but I don't know. Yes, Randy. Are they thinking like more of like a permanent structure was set up on piers or something? Or are they thinking about like a movable? No, it's not. Can be dropped in place. They're thinking of putting down, putting down a gravel pad and putting cement blocks or some kind of concrete blocks and it would sit on that. Just the storage building, no plumbing, no. Yeah, I mean, an eight by 10 shed. I mean, you know, really you could back a trailer up to that thing if it's not connected to piers or something and get it out of there if it was ever an issue. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it does make sense to have a written agreement saying if it ever falls out of use or out of repair that they'll remove it. Okay. So I will ask them to send us a sketch to look at. And we can also think about Dorenda's ideas at the same time. I'll talk to Victor about potentially using some space in the building. I'm just a little reluctant to have random people having keys to that. I mean, I think we keep, don't we keep the grader in there in the wintertime? Yeah, but is there anything on the other side, the fire department side? I don't even know if they store a truck in there anymore. There are two trucks in there. Oh, there is two? Yeah. Oh yeah. A lot. No, I did a little survey of the premises when I was over the meeting with them just to take a look at it. The other, this is just a side thing. And I did send an email to Shane and I got a response for him. But I was, so I was over there looking at this and I was surprised to see that the gate at our town garage was wide open all weekend long, three days. And also that bay in the garage was wide open. It wasn't even locked. Shane said, well, maybe it was, maybe it was Cassella who left the gate open. I said, well, I don't know, but when nobody's around for three days, the whole purpose of that gate is to have it locked so people can't go back there. So anyway, not a big deal, but a concern. Yes. Yeah, I was over there on Thursday afternoon and the gate was open. I talked with Victor about it. He talked with Shane and it sounded like Charles was supposed to go back down and close the gate for Cassella's. After Cassella's had come. So maybe that just didn't take place. I don't know. But the thing that I was trying to meant that I did want to mention was Robert Bowers did type some stuff into the chat here, saying that he doesn't have the capability to have audio on here. Oh, okay. He said that in the chat here, it says he's lost his brother, has had a bilateral pulmonary embolism and survives on SSDI. Pickup has been broken down for over 10 weeks, fell working on all of it when he fell and severely bruised ribs. So. Well, all I would say, and maybe we can reach out to him with a letter and just say, this has been ongoing for years. I mean, those may be his current list of problems, but this is ongoing for years. So, you know, somehow and periodically, he's got stuff sticking out in the state right away. I would think the state would get after him. But anyway, I feel badly that that's the situation he's in, but there was all other laundry list of excuses the last time we pursued this. So I will get a sketch for that little building and also reach out to the row crew and see how they feel about some of the stuff being stored and, you know, creating. I mean, I suggested, I can't remember the gentleman's name, Bafa, I think was the fellow I was meeting with. I said, you could even just put a fence up in there with a, you know, padlock on it just so your stuff didn't walk away. But if there was room in the back, that's a pretty big space that day. But I imagine with the greater in there, it might be pretty tight. I don't know, but I'll find out. I'll find out. The other issue with the bandstand is they're concerned that our sign there is falling into disrepair. Well, it has fallen a little bit into disrepair. I talked to Mitch. Mitch knows the person who created the sign.  It's a little delaminated and it has a little peeling paint. But the same time I brought up to Elliott Berg the fact that they created an ugly two by four frame, which they have there, which they hang their sign on in the summertime. And I said, so you're concerned about a little peeling paint on our sign. And yet you leave that ugly frame there, which I think is a lot worse year round. And he said, well, you're right. We should probably remove it, blah, blah, blah. I said, listen, Elliott, what I wanna do is I'm gonna get ahold of Mitch and I'm gonna have him communicate with you and explore the idea of you hanging your sign onto the bottom of our sign so that we have one sign and you can take it down at the end of the season and boom, it's gone. Well, Elliott went crazy and said, well, it's not big enough. There's not enough space. There's not this, there's not that. I said, listen, Elliott, I asked Mitch to contact you and resolve this because the two of you can't resolve it. Get back to me. This to me is a minor problem and it's easily rectified. But Elliott is very challenging to deal with. We'll see how Mitch does and I'll get back in touch. But the Bandstand Committee is a challenge. Elliott in particular is just challenging to deal with. His heart's in the right place but he's challenging to deal with. And that is all I have. Anything else, anyone? Thank you all very much. Have a good evening. Thank you guys. Have a good evening. Good night.