Hey, what's going on guys root of the knoll here back with some more python now in the last video We were checking out whether or not a string was was full of lowercase characters now in this video We're gonna do that exact same thing, but we're gonna test whether it's an uppercase characters So this is a lot of that same idea of looping through the string and testing for the character obviously But we are gonna do it with uppercase characters So all we really have to do is write the same code that we did last video But change a variable like you're gonna be looking for the ASCII uppercase characters instead of the ASCII lowercase variables But hey, let's give it a go anyway, and let's see what we can do I'm gonna create a new function here. I'm a new function anyway, but a new Python script File.python usr bin environment Python class base look at this Define initialize pass in self Some some comments going here. We can test whether this is the current script that we're running Oh got a random P in there. That's weird equals base All right, so let's get a string variable first off string self.string equals string how about that? So now we can check out what we're gonna be looking at today. We can use self.string is Lower and that's the one that we're looking at in the last video But we're gonna be using is upper so we can test if all the characters that we find in here Or at least the letters or the alphabetic characters if any of them if they're all uppercase So in this case, we will print this out and see what that function gives us false because none of these are upper if we had string It's gonna return false because we want to have all of these be the uppercase form So now that will return true because these are all uppercase. So let's see how this is done Let's create a new function here define is upper self and then string For character, we're gonna want to loop through that string and remember we should change the name of it Character to look in string to look in we can test if the character is in string.asci Letters now remember we do have to import the string module because we're gonna be able to look through some of the letters that we would normally Be working with so import string right up at the top of your file here And now if it's a letter we're gonna want to test If that character is not in string.asci uppercase We've got a problem We can just so we can just break out of our function break out of the loop and everything we can just say nope This is not the way that it should be But if we do go through the loop and we don't have a problem we can just say yeah, that's fine We can return true So now if we run this but first we should probably set up the function call self dot is upper We can pass in self dot string and That's gonna return true because string is still full of all of these uppercase characters if we turn one of these though into a string is a Non-believer String is a non-believer. I have no idea what I'm saying We still have some some lowercase characters in here. So this is a problem if we if we Actually have all of them be uppercase though We still have white space and we still have these but it's still gonna return true because all the characters that we're looking at Are uppercase but if we have one of them be wrong then dude you better you better start praying But hey All right guys, I know this one is very simple It's very similar to the last tutorial that we were looking at and really that's all for now We can just loop through some of the great things that the string module supplies for us And we are all set to go. So thank you guys for watching. I hope you enjoyed this I hope you're able to figure out how that The built-in function works here and Remember that we're all able to do all of this without the string module if we just use that chr function and Loop through the numbers that we know of in the ASCII table or we could really manually type in each letter and store that in an Array, but that's kind of obnoxious. We could just go like letters and be set that to We could have a and we could Have B and we have C and all that but it'd be very very obnoxious So what we do is we do loop through the ASCII table and use that chr function But the import string module at least the string module lets us even solve that problem in itself So it's very convenient and I hope you guys can take advantage of that But hey, thank you guys for watching again and be cool if maybe you could like the video Maybe leave me a comment and maybe even subscribe. I don't know it's whatever you want to do But thanks again guys. I'll see you in the next video. Bye


With that said, we're going to be looking today in Mark chapter 9. We're going to begin reading at verse 38. I'm going to read verses 38 through 41, give you an introduction, and then begin to look at the subject which is reward and punishment, and you'll be seeing that in a few minutes. So let's begin reading at verse 38. Mark chapter 9 verse 38, reading to verse 41. Mark writes, now John answered him saying, Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us. But Jesus said, Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in my name can soon afterwards speak evil of me, for he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you belong to Christ assuredly I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. And so as is my normal way of teaching, let me give to you a little reminder, a few things to help us to come up to speed to see what's taking place in the passage before us. We know that Jesus has been teaching his men, and he's been emphasizing two very basic and very important spiritual lessons. First, he had taught them about faith and how important faith is in service to the Lord, because serving the Lord is really a life that is lived by faith. His men had not been able to cast out a demon, and when they had failed to do that, Jesus actually referred to them as faithless in Matthew 1717. And he had told them that they failed to cast out the demon because he said of their unbelief, you saw that in Matthew 1720. So in response to this, Jesus made it clear that they needed to grow in their faith. So obviously faith is a very important element of serving the Lord. And if these men are going to be successful in their mission, they need to grow in their faith. The Lord Jesus Christ is about to depart. He's on his way, eventually he'll be dying on a cross. And also these men are being trained. They're being trained to be those who are going to present his message and ministry to the world. And so they need to begin to grow even more in their faith.  Jesus and his men had left an area called Caesarea Philippi, which is in the north of Israel. And he had gone south to the city of Capernaum. The city of Capernaum is a coastal city, we would call it coastal because we have beaches, actually a lakeshore city to the south, about 50 miles or so, to the south of Caesarea Philippi. And so they had gone down and they were on their way down there to Capernaum from Caesarea Philippi.  So it was a journey for the men of no less than two, probably two and a half days. And so on the way, they had plenty of time to argue. And what they were arguing about was who is the greatest. And so we saw this last time, we saw that Jesus, in order to illustrate the answer, took a small child and he set this small child in the midst of them. And he made it clear to them that greatness in the kingdom of God is built on humility. In Matthew 18 verse 4, therefore whoever humbles himself as the little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, Jesus said. And then he went on to say something else that's very interesting in Mark 9.37. He said, whoever receives one of these little children in my name receives me and whoever receives me receives not me, but him who sent me. In other words, the way that you treat one another is really a reflection of how you treat me. What kind of person treats small children the way you men have been treating one another.  You were arguing for positions that are not yours to determine. The decision belongs to my father. So the best that you can do is become a servant because in Matthew 2311, Jesus says, the greatest among you shall be your servant. So instead of arguing about who's the greatest, you should determine to be a servant. Now the question has been asked and I'll just repeat it here as I teach this. How many churches have divided over leaders wanting to be the greatest servant? Think about that for a moment. How many church divisions take place because the people within the congregation want to be a great servant? Doesn't happen that way. Normally they divide over who wants to be the most important. So the humble attitude is an attitude that Christ wants us to have and it's an attitude that was beautifully modeled by the apostle Paul. He had said this, he said, although I am less than the least of all the Lord's people, this grace was given to me to preach to the Gentiles, the boundless riches of Christ. I am less than the least is how he saw himself. It's this kind of understanding of greatness that Jesus's man needed to come to realize. Now in response to Jesus's rebuke, John wants to show that he's received Jesus. He's been stung by his words. He wants to prove that that he was his follower. He not only had to receive Jesus, but he'd go so far as to say, I won't receive anyone who hasn't openly decided to follow you. And that's what we're seeing here when we begin at verse 38. Notice how John answers. It says, John answered him saying, Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in your name. We forbade him because he does not follow us. Now there's a certain individual using the name of Jesus as he's casting out demons and this man is in part of the people following Christ. And John is concerned about it. We need to remember that John and the other apostles had a very special relationship with Jesus Christ. They were being mentored by the Lord. They were very protective of that relationship. Not only was John one of the 12th, he was also one of the three closest disciples. And he became angry. He was angry that Jesus's authority was being used by an unauthorized stranger.  And the man obviously believed in Jesus or he wouldn't have been able to use his name and he wouldn't have been successful at casting out the demon. Now there's an interesting story that I encourage you if you haven't read it or haven't read it recently to remind yourself of. It's found in the book of Acts. It's found in chapter 19. And in Acts chapter 19, there's a story of the seven sons of Schiva. Schiva was a Jewish exorcist and they had tried to cast a demon out of a man and they said this. They said, we exercise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches. So that's what they did. They had heard that Paul was preaching this one called Jesus, their exorcist. They see that Paul is successful. So they borrow his methodology and they say, we exercise you in the name of Jesus whom Paul preaches. And the response you might remember, but the response of the demon was very interesting in Acts 19 verses 15 and 16. The evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know and Paul I know. Now the word know in the English translation, we could get a little confused because the word know for us is simply that, but in the original language Greek, there are different senses of the word. So when he says, Jesus, I know the first time that word know is Ginozko. It's a word that means I have personal acquaintance with. I am well aware of him. Jesus, I know. How would this demon know Jesus because the demons believe in fear and trouble. They're well aware of who Jesus Christ is. So he says, Jesus, I know. Then he goes on to say and Paul, I know the word that is used when he says Paul, I know is a different Greek word. It means I've become acquainted with. I'm aware of him. Jesus I know and Paul I've heard of. I'm aware of him. Why? Because Paul is going out doing works of ministry. Miracles were performed through Paul and casting out demons was something that he had authority to do. So he's saying, I know Jesus very well. I know him and I'm aware, very much aware of Paul. But he goes on to say, who are you? Who are you? Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them and prevailed against them so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded. The first incident of streaking found in Scripture. Imagine that. I'm aware of Jesus. I know Paul I've heard of. Who are you? They had no authority. They couldn't cast the demon out because they didn't know Jesus Christ. But this man believed in Jesus. He had seen Jesus do this very thing and he desired also to set people free from demons. Now commentators mentioned that because a man is unidentified, we really can't really say for certain who he was. And they postulate different things. They say he may have been one of John the Baptist disciples who had come to faith in Christ, that's possible. Or he may have been someone who had seen Jesus perform a deliverance and because he trusted Christ, he copied him. But their response in verse 38, the disciples' response is interesting because it says they forbade him from casting out demons. They did it because a man was not one of Jesus' group of followers. And so Jesus speaks to them concerning that. Verse 39, Jesus said, do not forbid him for no one who works a miracle in my name can soon afterwards speak evil of me, for he who is not against us is on our side. In successfully casting out demons, he's revealing that he's one of my followers. For if he were not with me, he would be unsuccessful when he tries to do that kind of work. In Matthew 12, verse 30, Jesus said, he who is not with me is against me. He who does not gather with me scatters abroad. It's interesting how he puts that because it's not even something that you may even decide upon. It's just the fact that because a person has not come to faith in Christ, their whole life is really in opposition to what he wants to do. And so when a person doesn't have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, their influence is never going to be necessarily that somebody should come to faith in Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, if you're not with Christ, you are actually opposing him. If you're not gathering with Jesus, you're scattering people. So this reveals that they didn't understand Christ nor did they understand the heart of ministry. Ministers don't compete. Ministers encourage one another to succeed against a mutual enemy. This man obviously had placed faith in Christ. He was performing works in his name. And so their mistake is that they're presumptuously speaking for Jesus without his direction. Proverbs 18, 13 says it like this, he who answers a matter before he hears it, it's a folly and shame to him. This reminds me of something that we find in the life of Moses that's recorded in the Old Testament book of Numbers chapter 11. When you read that chapter, you discovered that there were two men prophesying to the people of Israel. And the news of these people prophesying to the people of Israel, well, the news was brought to Moses. In Joshua, Moses' assistant became upset over this. And so he says to Moses, my Lord, stop them. Numbers 11, 29. But Moses replied, are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put his spirit on them. Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that every person had a filling of the Spirit of God and that people would speak in his name. There was no competition in the heart of Moses. He wanted people to have what he had. It seems that the disciples are protecting their positions and not Jesus' ministry. They didn't appreciate the fact that this man was having success. And we need to remember that nine of them had just been unable to cast out a demon. And this man's succeeding. And that moves them to command that he must cease. Well, Jesus in verse 39 says, no one who works a miracle in my name can soon afterwards speak evil of me. The person that God gave such authority to will not be found among those who hate me. Because of this, don't go about forbidding someone from doing a good work. And notice verse 40, for he who is not against us is on our side. So this is a call for the disciples to pursue unity with others outside of their group. This serves to prepare them for the fact that there is room enough for all in his church. In 1 Corinthians 12, 13 and 14, it reads, for by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and have all been made to drink into one spirit. For in fact, the body is not one member, but many. So this exclusivist thinking is strictly forbidden. The key to all of this is not speaking evil against Christ. Now I want to develop this with you for just a moment. That would include saying that which is incorrect about him. Jesus was not establishing a faith without content. Truth matters. And speaking truth about him is of utmost importance. Why? Because truth sets you free, but error places you in bondage. We've had people saying you've heard it, you know, it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you believe. And that's wrong because what you believe matters. My mom told me the story of a woman whose child was very ill and had medicine in the medicine cabinet, and the baby began to cry in the middle of the night, and the mama was sleepy and stumbled on in, opened up the medicine cabinet, couldn't really see clearly yet, reached out for where she had always placed the medicine, and then went out and gave a dose of medicine to the child, but didn't realize instead of giving medicine to the child she was giving a poison, and the child dies. Now the idea of this child, the mama is she's doing something good. She's giving the baby medicine, but just because your intentions are good doesn't mean that what you're doing is right. And sometimes people may have a faith and people say, oh they have faith, at least they have faith, but it depends on what you're believing in and who you're believing in. And so faith by itself needs to have content. There needs to be the one that you know is truly the Savior, Jesus Christ whom you put your faith in, not just some man or some philosophy, and that's the truth. And so truth matters. So we join hands in ministry with those who teach scriptural truth. Those who are teaching error in Jesus' name, well you might find this interesting, well they're even to be avoided, sometimes even exposed for being false teachers. Romans 16 verse 17 says it like this, Paul said, I urge you brothers and sisters to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned, keep away from them. And so a minister's responsibility is to teach the truth, but also to warn, to stay away from that which is false. You see humility should produce a desire to serve other people, not to be served by other people. And this is what Jesus now begins to say, because in verse 41 he says, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. In contrast to the desire for greatness is the desire to serve. Whoever gives you a cup of water to drink he says, in other words it's not the great and noticeable things that you do, it's a small acts of kindness that you do, because these are the things that are noticed by God. Proverbs 22.4 reads the reward of humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, honor and life. It's the reward of humility, it's the small things. You're not doing things to be seen by men. You're doing things because of the right things, but those things that you're doing that are the right things are noticed by God who rewards. And he says in verse 41, he will not lose his reward. This act of kindness is in his name, and because it is, it's something that is rewarded. So the motive behind the act is love for Christ, and it is this that is rewarded. He says in verse 42, whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. That's pretty heavy, huh? Let's ignore that and move on, shall we? We are forbidden to cause a believer to stumble. The word stumble in the original language means to fall away, to cause to fall away. It's a word that means to entice someone to sin. It speaks of causing a person to begin to distrust and desert one whom he ought to trust and obey. So if you cause one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, Jesus said there's a great penalty associated with that. And so to cause someone who believes in Christ to stumble to offend them is something that Jesus is warning his apostles about, and by way of extension is warning us about. To be aware that our lives actually influence and impact other people and the things that we believe and the things that we share and the way that we live and the things we encourage others to do, these things all matter. And so Jesus is giving a very, very severe warning here concerning that. Now at this point Jesus is emphasizing that he's creating something that is new. He's speaking of a new community. This new community is called the church. Now remember he had recently, when in Caesarea Philippi, I spoke into the Apostle Peter and he had said, you are Peter and upon this rock, I will build my church. That's the first time you ever see the word church mentioned in the New Testament. The word church is translated the called out ones. The word is used to speak of a religious congregation or a religious community. So Jesus says upon this rock I will build my religious community, my called out ones, and they're referred to as the church.  And again those of you who've been with me on Wednesday night as we go through the book of Ephesians, you discovered that the fact that the Gentiles would be included in the family of God was a divine mystery that you didn't find in the Old Testament though there were hints to it, but are exposed to us in the new. In Ephesians 2 18 and 19 it says through him we both have access by one spirit to the Father. Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God. He's writing to Ephesians who are Gentiles. He said at one time you were foreigners. One time you were strangers. You had no relationship with God. You were actually lost. You were without God in the world. But because Christ came, laid his life down and gave the gospel message to the apostles and the apostles and messengers of the gospel went throughout the world, that gospel came to you in Ephesus and you in Ephesus have come to faith in Jesus Christ and you who at one time were without God have now come to a relationship with God and God has created what is called a new community and that's what we are unless you're Jewish, a Jewish believer in here. We're all Gentiles but we have been brought into the promises of God through the gospel and as fellow members of God's household we have become brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. The Bible says that we are God's home and by the Spirit Jesus lives in each individual believer in him. In Ephesians 3 17 Paul prayed that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. In 1 Corinthians 3 16 Paul said it like this. He said, do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? So we're fellow believers. We're family and as fellow believers we are to be careful not to cause stumbling to other believers. The way that we treat each other reveals our actual love for Jesus Christ. First service I stumbled into something I think I might as well stumble into it second service too. It's not in my notes it's just in my heart and so it's this. We're living in a time when people don't really understand what the love of God is and we have to be very careful about that. We have to be careful about the various things that people are saying today. We have to be careful to distinguish and discern. We need to distinguish what is error and we need to discern what is truth. We need to have a discernment in all and we need to be careful with one another. How we treat brothers and sisters in the Lord because as mentioned we actually show our love for Jesus in the way we love one another and our love for one another is to be the evidence that we are Christians. In 1 John 4 7 and 8 beloved let us love one another for love is from God and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God because God is love. And so Jesus is creating this creating this community of believers that will evangelize the world. But the enemy desires to undermine that work. He so sees a division to guard against the tactic. Jesus begins to give his man a strong exhortation. He says in verse 42, whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble it would be better for him if the millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. When you go to Israel as some of us will be going very soon you will see the millstone. It's a very large stone. We go to the city of Capernaum and while we're in Capernaum there's an exhibit. There's an actual millstone there and the millstone is very large. It's in the shape of a wheel and it weighs several hundred pounds. And Jesus is saying it would be better for that to be tied around your neck and you dropped into the sea of Galilee than to cause one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble. And so he wants his men to not yield to sin and he wants his men not to influence people away from him. Shortly before they were arguing about who's the greatest in the kingdom but he's telling them that they need to be careful with those ambitions because they're wrong. You need to guard against them because arguing for positions of prestige undermines the work of the spirit by dividing people and this is seen by others and causes them to stumble over it. You see both believers as well as unbelievers can be guilty of this kind of sin. Unbelievers can make you feel unsophisticated if you don't join in with them in sin. In 1 Peter 4-3-5 Peter said you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do living in debauchery and lost drunkenness orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They think it's strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation.  Most maturing believers know that they can be stumbled or at least given the opportunity to stumble by unbelievers. Most of us know that.  A lot of times they say oh I go there to be a missionary, I go to the party to missionize, I'm the apostle Paul and all of that. But the ones that I believe are the most dangerous are the Christians that can be referred to in this way, carnal, the carnal Christian, the carnal Christian who's the compromiser. Because the carnal Christian is the one who calls the sincere Christian a legalist. The carnal Christian generally gets upset when they're under conviction. And for this person, anyone who sincerely wants to do what is right, well they think doesn't understand grace. They mistakenly think grace gives them license to continue in sin and still be blessed. They seldom read the Word, they hardly ever pray, they infrequently fellowship but they never witness and they may attend church occasionally but they never give, they never serve, they never get involved. They want you to consider them to be mature because they've been Christian longer than you. But in fact they're still infants if they're believers at all. And we have people today and it's been going on for some time, it's not brand new, it's been going since the church was birth but we have people sometimes who refer to themselves as believers who want to evangelize you to do certain things that you know you shouldn't do. And so one of those things, and here we go, is the alcohol evangelist.  Well because I don't want to, I can do anything I want to but I don't want to drink. Well why not, you're free to, are you telling me I'm insane? And now they get upset and they think that alcohol is the way to go and there are quite a number of guys that I've met over the years who actually will become argumentative about it and they seem to be more caught up sometimes with their freedoms in Christ and they don't realize the stumbling that they bring to the younger believer. They don't even consider that, they think the younger believer is just immature and therefore needs to grow up into the grace of God like I am. Be very careful that you don't become an alcohol evangelist, a sipping saint, somebody who thinks that you have freedoms and then you have to tell other people about it because you may be stumbling somebody who came out of alcoholism. You may be stumbling somebody that is struggling with that sin and instead of holding them up and helping them in the things of the Lord and showing them the love of Christ and the encouragement, then you can bring them down. I wonder how many people have been stumbled into backsliding because of those who profess to be strong Christians because of them encouraging them to go in a direction that they ought not to have gone. Listen if you have freedom to drink and I walk in and you're sitting there at the at the bar after church, you know just getting high in Jesus and all of that, I'm not going to condemn you. I won't condemn you.  I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.  I'm not going to judge you. I'm not going to be harsh with you. I'm not a legalist. I'm not going to do that to you, just know that. But understand that there are people that you may know that you're stumbling and Jesus does not take that lightly. You're offending this little one who believes in him and you need to be aware of that. You really do. You really do. I am telling you this is not something I'm making up. The carnal person, they're never in the word. They hardly ever pray. They really don't have sincere fellowship. They never witness. They never do any of the things that believers do and yet they want to make you feel that you're immature. In 1 John chapter 2 verses 3 through 6, John said it like this. He said, now by this time we know, now by this we know that we know him. If we keep his commandments, he who says I know him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him but whoever keeps his word truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in him. He who says he abides in him ought himself also to walk just as he walked. And so I had a friend of mine was sharing for example of a young lady that had come from his fellowship which is in a different state began attending a certain fellowship and was joining the worship team and she had contacted her pastor and said to him, pastor, I need to ask you a question. I came here to grow in my learning how to worship. I'm part of a worship team here and she said after church the worship team went to a bar and they were all drinking and talking. She said, is that where I'm supposed to be? Is this a place I should be? And her pastor said, no you need to find a place where they actually take the faith of Christ with a deeper sincerity. Hang around with people who love Jesus so you can grow deeper in the things of the Lord because whatever you give up even if you have a sense of liberty to do that whatever you give up is never going to be something that you miss later on because it's always replaced by something that is so much better and walking closer to Jesus is where it's at especially in these last days and I believe a lot of young believers have stumbled other believers because of their perceived freedoms and their liberties to the point where others have stumbled into backsliding and some have never even returned. Be very careful with that. I say that out of love for you because I'm concerned for the church in these last days. The church needs to hear the power of the Holy Spirit and the freedom that we can have in Jesus Christ so that we can lead people to heaven and not encourage them to backslide. We need to follow Jesus closely in these last days and Jesus is making it clear it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he was dropped into the into the sea. You see not long before this the Romans had done this to Jews who were involved in insurrection and that would have been a clear message to the hearer you'd be better off dead than stumbling somebody. So this warning serves to move believers to live a godly life to encourage godliness. In Hebrews 10 24 and 25 let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together as some are in the habit of doing but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see the day approaching. Let us not forsake the assembling of ourselves together. We ought to be in fellowship. We ought to be alive in fellowship so that we can exercise our gifts so that we can receive the sacraments of baptism and and communion so that we can minister that we can be equipped that we can serve with other people and says don't give up in in in meeting together. Now he begins to speak and it's pretty strong what he has to say look at verse 43 I'll read to verse 48 he says if your hand causes you to sin cut it off it's better for you to enter into life maimed rather than having two hands and to go to hell into the fire that shall never be quenched where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched if your foot causes you to sin cut it off it is better for you to enter life lame rather than having two feet to be cast into hell into the fire that shall never be quenched where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out it is better for you to enter the kingdom of god with one eye rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched now if that was literal we'd have a bunch of one-legged one hand one-eyed people I couldn't have you shake each other's hands you know unfortunately many years ago when I was a new believer somebody had read this believed it and cut off their own hand they took it literally it was in the newspaper I couldn't believe it this obviously is not to be taken literally this is obviously illustrations for emphasis what he's saying is this if you desire to lead someone into a righteous life then first begin by dealing with your own sin do all that it's necessary to keep from sinning or stumbling others now we know what's figurative because no physical part of our body forces us to sin and mutilation neither leads us closer to the Lord nor does it cleanse a heart Jesus is speaking of things he's speaking of a hand he's speaking of a foot he's speaking of an eye so these are pictures this is picture these are pictures of what you do where you go and what you see and he's saying you are personally responsible for all of these actions and activities so totally dedicate your entire being to serving the Lord what you do where you go what what you watch these are all to be dedicated to him in Colossians 3 17 it reads whatever you do in word or deed do all in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks to God the Father through him and Romans 12 1 and 2 I beseech you therefore brethren by the mercies of God that you present your body's a living sacrifice wholly acceptable to God which is your reasonable service do not be conformed to this world be transformed by the renewing of your mind that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God deal with sin ruthlessly why there are eternal consequences notice that Jesus uses the words causes you to sin three times this would indicate that the battle and struggle against sin is continual temptation to sin doesn't cease even though you've gotten saved it's an ongoing struggle now referring to hell Jesus emphasizes the seriousness attached to a life of habitual sin there's a judgment and since there is a judgment it's of utmost importance to reject anything that hinders you and verses 43 45 and 47 Jesus speaks of hell we'll look at that for a moment hell hell has been referred to as the abode of the wicked dead altogether this word is used 11 times by Jesus and one time by James the word hell is a word gheana gheana is in reference to what is in reference to what is called the valley of Hinnom and the valley of Hinnom when we go to Jerusalem the valley of Hinnom is just outside of the walls of Jerusalem to the southwest it's called the valley of Hinnom it was a place where the parents would give their children as offerings burnt offerings to Baal and a molek in the old testament you see that in 2 Chronicles chapter 28 Jesus speaks of it as a place notice where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die now that impacted them because during their day it was the city dump it was constantly on fire because carcasses and trash would be piled up there and burned Jesus uses that to emphasize this final place of judgment hell is where the wicked endure torment not temporarily but for eternity as perpetual objects of wrath it is also called the lake of fire which is a final place of judgment in Revelation 20 verse 15 if anyone's name is not written in the book of life he was thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 21 8 but for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death hell was not created for man but for the angels who followed the devil and fell in Matthew 25 41 he will also say to those on the left hand depart for me you cursed into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels it is a place of torment reserved for those who have rejected God's offer of salvation Psalm 9 17 says the wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God it is a fire he says in verse 43 that shall never be quenched it refers to punishment that is everlasting it's a picture of external torment but in verse 44 it's a place where the worm does not die that's the picture of internal torment you see ultimately all stand before the Lord and all give an account of themselves to God I had a guy in this church I mentioned this more than once because it left the lasting impression on me he was he was not a member of our church his wife was actually coming here his wife was a friend of my my wife from the early days and and so he would accompany her when she came to church and and one day he and I were talking after service and and he said to me you know I'm not a believer and I said I know and he says now I'm going to go to hell and he said it very casually he said I'm going to go to hell he said that's okay because that's where my friends will be and we'll just party and as I looked at him I thought how sad that you don't understand what you're speaking about because it's a place of torment it's plain a place of darkness it's a place of separation it's a place that there's no love there's no joy there's no peace there's no comfort there's no light Jesus used strong terms for us the worm died not for a reason the flame is never quenched for a reason it's to let us know how terrible it is to die without his grace and love and I for for over 50 years now I've attempted to understand what that really means because eternity is such a wide concept for me that I don't have the capacity to wrap my mind around that duration because it's much beyond anything that I can understand I I don't understand what eternity is because I'm limited by by by days and and weeks and and months and years and and and for me the idea of a continuing ongoing existence in darkness and and and since the torment is is beyond me and I've I've attempted to to come to grips with how do you describe eternity to to to those of us who really can't understand and and and I think of it like this I think of of it being like my task is to count every grain of sand on every beach and every desert on the face of the earth one by one one by one and then I finally count the last one and I start again I finally count the last one and I start again it's so beyond us what eternity is but it's so terrible Jesus warns us not to go there it is such a horrible judgment that God said I don't want you to go there you can't save yourself I will do something to save you and he sent his son Jesus Christ to die in that cross for us it took God's son God in the flesh to pay a penalty you and I could never pay for ourselves we cannot come up with the bail we cannot be declared not guilty by any work that we've ever done any good thing we've ever tried we have to trust him to make our bail for us to set us free that's the only way it happens and that's why Jesus says don't go there the worm diet not and the flames look at the rotted carcasses the flames are continual don't go there so for me as a young believer I didn't want to go to heaven alone so I told my parents and I still remember when I shared with dad and mom and and and my dad mom coming to faith in Christ and a few days after dad had given his life to the Lord I I came walking into their room and I sat down on the edge of the bed and my mom was there with dad and she said to my my father she said she used to call my father daddy she said daddy tell tell david um your dream that you had last night and my dad was an unemotional man my father didn't show emotions my dad held him in very very much a child of of his generation emotions were were very he was very disciplined in him so I didn't see my father cry in my life more than twice maybe three times my dad started to choke up and he said david I had a I had a dream last night and I said oh he said yeah I said it's unusual it disturbed me I said what is that he said I dreamed that I was in heaven not to me that's a good dream so far I was in heaven he says and I was looking down and I said I looked down he said I could see your mom and I could see your sisters I saw your brother but I began to look around frantically he said to me because I couldn't see you and he started to cry he started my father crying I couldn't see you and I'm sitting there I don't know how to this is not my dad he doesn't do this and so I'm kind of like processing this he says and then I turned around and I looked up and you were reaching for me that's how he got saved and I had made it my purpose in life to not go to heaven alone and I started with my family and I have spread it to you I don't want to go to heaven without you I pray that you know Jesus that's the fact because heaven is real and so is hell and Jesus spoke more about hell than he did about heaven because if he could keep you from hell you're going to go to heaven and he's speaking to his men who are going to take a message out and he's telling them this is the seriousness of the gospel it's just it's not just a nice story or something to help you get through or pass the time or make it through tough times now this is the thing that changes entire lives and entire destinies when you come to faith in Christ everything changes from there and your destination is to be with him and every day that we live we draw we draw closer and draw closer and draw closer to the day finally comes when we see him face to face and we're able to say thank you Jesus for making it possible for me to be with you thank you Jesus for giving me life I get touched by that I get touched by that because that is my life is to talk about him and then finally everyone verse 49 will be seasoned with fire and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt salt is good but if the salt loses its flavor how will you season it have salt in yourselves and have peace with one another salt salt is a purifier as a preservative and fire is a purifier everyone coming to faith in Christ must be fully committed over an entire lifetime and as such they should live a life that is pure before him you see in the near future they're going to endure fiery trials especially when he's taken and killed before them and these trials will purify their faith they're going to strengthen these people so he's saying don't grow tasteless remain strong in order to reach the world for Jesus Christ and he goes on and says in verse 50 and have peace with one another instead of trying to be the greatest learn to live in peace and unity love one another and serve one another in Ephesians 4 Paul said it like this he said I therefore the prisoner of the Lord beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called with all lowliness and gentleness with long suffering bearing with one another in love endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace love one another serve God together and one day we're going to have a great family reunion where we see each other in the presence of Christ and there's no tears no sorrow no pain no death just joy forever and ever and ever and ever and ever amen that's what we have 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I think that this is the most compelling light currently available on the market today in its category. It is the new M20C from Juin. And why exactly do I think that? Well, it is for three reasons, least of which is the fact that I happen to think it looks great. I love the design, styling, and aesthetic of it. But more importantly than that, though, is just its versatility. That is driven by two things. Firstly, we've got this accessory pack that comes with it when you buy the Combo Pack. And that gives you just more control over the light source itself. So we've got a grid on here, which we'll look at later. You've also got these barn doors. So you've got more control over your light that way. And that, then, is coupled with just the sheer power of it. Because if we take a look at the size of this, I mean, it is really quite tiny. And you look there at the size of some post-it notes, there we go, it's exactly the same size. And yet, in this small form factor, it's packing 20 watts of power. Now, what that looks like is this, if I just turn it on. There we go, that's at 1%. Here it is at 50%. And now here it is at 100%. I mean, that is just difficult to put me to look into. So I'll just turn it off. But to get that much power in such a small form factor is pretty astounding, actually. And what that means, though, in practical terms, is this versatility that I'm talking about. Because suddenly now, you've got something that is a really pocketable light. And I mean, if I compare it to some things that I've got that are pretty similar in the studio, the Nunlite, Lito Lite 5C, these are basically the same sort of frontal area, different shape, but the same sort of area on the front. They're about the same weight, and they're about the same thickness as well. So in terms of space taken up in your camera bag or whatever, pretty comparable, right? Well, this is 7 watts. This is 20. So nearly three times the power in something that is of a comparable size. If you're going to choose something to take with you, this has got a lot more versatility. Because this one, I wouldn't be using that as a key light. But actually, you know what? If I was out somewhere, then I didn't have my full studio set up here. I could certainly be considering to use that as a key light. Obviously, I'd have to turn it down because that is quite, quite bright. But then couple that with these other options you've got in here in terms of mounting and so on. And this is what I say. It is just basically head and shoulders above everything else on the market today in this category because of this versatility that it gives at a really great price point as well, which we'll come on to a little bit later. So in this video, I am going to go through and do a sort of full demo of some of the features and then also talk through some of the pros and cons and also some of these accessories that come with it. Now, before I get into this, I do need to say that Juin did send me this for review. However, there is a bit of a tail to tail there because I've got some other content planned for this channel and for my other social channels. And so I've got a whole separate setup going on just over here that I'm going to be filming stuff in. And basically, I was looking for a couple of extra lights and I did all of my research, watched all the YouTube videos, watched all the reviews and I had already decided that this was the light that I was going to get or rather two of them. So I was going to get a couple of these for this other setup. And I'd even got to the point of having them in my shopping cart on Amazon, just getting a few other things together to add to them. So they were sitting there in my shopping cart when I got the email from Juin asking if I wanted to check them out. So of course, I did jump at the opportunity there, but they sent me one of them. Now the question is going to be, now that I've had this one, am I still going to go ahead and buy the other one so that I've got the two that I was originally intending? Well, I should really keep you hanging until the end and say, find out later, like any good YouTuber would, but I'm not any good YouTuber. So I'm just going to tell you right off the bat, not only am I going to buy another one of them for that actual setup that I was intending, but I'll likely buy another couple as well because as I say, they are just so versatile and it's something that I can see other uses for in the studio and also outside of the studio as well. So with that said, let's just get into taking a bit of a closer look at it, shall we? And we'll start with the actual main light itself without all of those fittings. So this is the sort of raw light on the inside, if you like. And what you can see here is we've already seen the front of it, that's got the diffusion on it already. So the LEDs are kind of behind that. So it's got some limited diffusion going on in there already. If we look at the side, we've got a couple of big vents going on there, on the side, on the top and on the other side as well. Also on the top though, we've got the USB-C, that is where you charge it. You can also power it off that as well. Now if you are running this at full power at 20 watts, the internal battery will last for 40 minutes. However, if you are running it at more like 25 watts, then it'll run for about three hours. But like I say, you can actually power it directly from that USB-C. So either have it into sort of mains, going into an adapter or obviously some sort of power bank if you are a bit more mobile. Now on the back then, you've got this thing down at the bottom, which is the battery. It's not removable, but that's essentially where the battery is. And then you can also see we've got a fan in the back here. We've got a little screen there, which I'll go through in more detail later. And then we've got these two dials, which are for making adjustments to the lighting settings. Now, mention of a fan might be a potential cause for concern. I talked about pros and cons. And obviously, if you've got any bit of lighting equipment with a fan in it, then people start to wonder, well, how loud is that gonna be? Is it gonna come through onto my recordings? Well, if I just go over to their website, they've got a little demo of what's going on with that fan.  So here we go with the little demo that they've got showing what's actually happening inside. They have got a massive, massive heat sink in there. And this is partly the reason why they've got so much power into this small form factor because it is actually able to dissipate a lot of heat through the heat sink combined with the fan. I should say though that the fan isn't on continuously. So when you just sort of fire it up, it's not gonna be just going on all the time. It's also a variable speed fan. So it depends on how hot it is. Will depend on how quick the fan is. But what I've just done is turned it onto full power. And now you'll be able to hear the fan if I hold it up to the microphone, bearing in mind that I've got a sensitive microphone. So likely you won't have the fan there, but obviously as I move it away, it disappears and you don't hear it so much to the point where when it's at arm's length, you're pretty much not hearing the fan at all. So that is in terms of how loud the fan is. Just dazzled myself for a second there. And then yeah, the fan will go on and off as required. But what I found in my use of it over the past couple of weeks is that generally if it's sort of staying on and it's not at a high power and I've generally been having it around the 25% mark, something like that, then either the fan is not kicking in or at least it's sort of coming in and out but not necessarily at full speed though. So that is a sort of little tour of the actual device itself. One thing that I talked about the pros and cons, one thing that is maybe could have been added into this as just the sort of base device is if it had had a quarter 20, so thinking about the non-light, leto light here, it has got a quarter 20 in the light itself. This one doesn't have any mounting points in the actual physical light. For that, you do need to use the enclosure. Now the enclosure does come with it though, so it's not like it's something additional and this is what that looks like. So we've got this cage here and what happens is you just basically slot this in from the back. As you slot it in from the back, there is this door on the other side there that folds round. You can see these couple of rubber feet here. Those basically just hold the light in place. It's got a little catch here. There's a really satisfying sort of clonk as it clicks into place. And one thing I like about this is it feels reassuringly solid. It's not going to inadvertently come out. You can't accidentally click that but at the same time, it is very easy to open as well. So both secure but easy access rather than some fiddly screws or anything like that. Now, once it is in this cage though, then you've got a whole host of mounting options. So first of all, you'll see that on the bottom you've got a quarter 20, so there is how you would mount it. Then you've also got a mounting here. So if you want to attach it to the top of your camera, for example, so a cold shoe or whatever, then you can attach it with this and then you'll see that there are basically three further cold shoe mountings on the top and the side. So here is where if you did have it on top of your camera, then you could attach all of your other accessories or things like that that you wanted to mount. What else you could do with this though is you could actually sort of mount multiple lights together. So if you've got multiple units and in fact, they also show that as a sort of demo on their website here, you can see sort of magnetically clipping them but also over to here, where am I, I'm on the wrong page part of their page here, down here somewhere. There is a little clip. I'm just scrolling through their page. There is a clip of them basically daisy chaining them together. So that is up here somewhere. I've probably just lost it. By the way, if you are completely new to the channel, my channel is called Take One Tech because I make all of my videos in one take with no edits and what that also means is that sometimes I have to scroll like this to find the thing that I was going to show you. Where is it? There we go. That's what I was looking for. It is like that. So there you can see a bank of them linked together. I should also say that you can use their mobile app with these lights and I'll do a separate video all about the mobile app. But what that allows you to do is control, as you can see in that little demo there, multiple lights at the same time. So you can set up scenes, click between them or control multiple lights at the same time. But anyway, I digress. That is just one of the other ways that you might want to use these cold shoe mounts to actually mount multiple lights together. Another mounting method though is if we look at the little door on the back here, actually the entire back of that here is actually magnetic. And what that means is that you can then obviously just mount that by just clamping it to anything metal. I will say that the magnet is really strong in this. I've used lights that I've got magnets in before. In fact, this one that I've got right in front of me, the Nunlite, this has technically got magnets, but it feels really loose. It's easy to sort of come off. And I have had instances where I've either just tapped them and they've fallen off or they've fallen off of their own accord seemingly. Whereas this one feels like really solid. You have to pull on it to get it off. So it's a really strong magnet. So great for another little mounting option there. So that's that it in terms of this cage then. But speaking of magnets, that's where this accessory pack comes in. If you buy there what they call the combo pack. And this consists of basically three additional parts. The first part is that although I mentioned that it has got diffusion on it, if you want a bit more diffusion, then there is this diffusion plate. And you can see in the corner of that there are those four little silver things. Well, those are just magnets corresponding to the four magnets on the corner of the light itself. And this just clips on with a very satisfying clunk as well. And that as well is not gonna go anywhere. Those are really strong magnets. In fact, it's actually hard to just sort of pull it off with your fingers. You're actually better to kind of slide it down to take it off. So yeah, that is not going anywhere. Next is the grid. Now a grid, the purpose of the grid is that it lets light through in one direction. But as you turn it, you can see how it's basically just blocking out your view of me, fortunately for you this time. But that does the same thing with the light. It basically directs the light out in one direction or more or less. And so this thing as well just clips right onto the front. So this is the same thing as I have, for example, here on my main key light, I've got a grid on the front of there, which means that the light is just directed towards me and not spilling out over the back wall. So we've got that exact same thing on here. Next up then, we've got these barn doors. And these also just fit on in exactly the same way. So the fittings, by the way, are all plastic. So this is hard plastic here and this one as well, as is the frame for the barn doors. So this is also plastic and just clips onto the front. The barn doors themselves are aluminum or aluminum, depending on where you are. And let me just get the logo the right way around. There we go. And yeah, it just works really well. There is numbers on these little doors as well because you do need to close them in the right order. So we've got one, two, three, and four because they're slightly different depths of hinges so they all stack nicely. But once those are all together, then you can see the form factor. And like I say, even with all those accessories on, okay, it makes it now a little bit bigger than a set of sticky notes, but not that much bigger and certainly something that's easy to throw into a camera bag and is really, really versatile light. So with that said, let's take a look at some of the features of the light itself. And I'm going to do something that's probably not necessarily recommended, but what I'm doing is I'm just gonna stand it on the barn doors to be able to show you these menus. So the way that this works is you've got this style here, which is for actually basically cycling through the menus and this one for actually changing the settings. So here you can see that we're on CCT mode at the moment and probably you might not be able to make out that, but that says 0%. Pressing this button will go to a couple of presets. So press it once, it's gonna go to 50% and press it again. It'll go to 100, but you can just turn this dial, incrementing by 1% at a time. Currently, we're adjusting the brightness there, of course. If I cycle through on this one and turn this one, you can see how it's going through the different menu options. So next down is the actual temperature of this particular light. So it goes from 2,500 Kelvin all the way up to 10,000. So 2,500 being sort of more warm light there, all the way up to 10,000 being that sort of ultra, more sort of bluey light. I tend to have my lights in the studio set at more like about 5,600, something like that, 5,400. There we go. Then you've also got the gamma, sorry, the green and magenta adjustment going down from minus 10 to plus 10. And then the other thing that you've got here is if I just press this button, it's going to cycle through the different lighting types. So again, at the moment, we're on CCT mode, but if I press it, then it will go to HSI mode. And here we can change, again, the dimming of it so we can change the brightness there. But now we can go to the hue. So this is pretty typical that you'll see on these types of lights obviously at the moment as well. So nothing particularly new here, but I can go through the full sort of 360 degrees here of the color spectrum. I can just press this and it'll go to some preset. So there we're at 360, so red. Then 120, 240, and then back to 360, so we can just sort of do those quick cycles through things and then make finer adjustments with the dial. And next up, we've got the saturation. So the next one down is going to be that color saturation at whatever setting we've set it to. We can then go to the next one, which is the RGB mode. So here is where you've got the RGB and the brightness, the sort of dimming there as well. So there's where you can just set a percentage for the red, green and blue. Tapping again, it's gonna go to the effects. So these are similar effects that you may see on other lights of this type as well. So we've got things like the hue pulse, so going through different colors. We can go through to, if I cycle through these, sorry, there we go, disco, firework effect, hue loop. Oh, it's cause I've gone right to the end, the flash. I'm trying to read these from a distance as well. CCT flash, welder, explosion, all of those same kind of things that lighten it, lightning. So these are all those kind of effects. And then you've got all the parameters associated with those. So the dimming, the speed and so on. Next up though is one that is a little bit unique to this, which is what they call music mode. Now what you'll see for this is that basically it is reacting to the sound. Now I'm not likely to have a light going in time to the beat of my music, which wouldn't be pretty great. However, if this is something that you do want to have, a light that does move in time with music, then you've got this in here because it has got a built-in microphone that's basically detecting the audio and then the light is adjusting or pulsing in relation to that. And there are some controls here in terms of different color and things like that that you want it to cycle through. So you can have it cycling through different colors and various different things like that. Next up then on the menu is the language. So English or Chinese or some other options in there as well. And then you've got the Bluetooth. So it does pair with the app over Bluetooth. So you can reset that from in here. And then you have got the firmware version listed on there as well. Incidentally, firmware updates are done via the app. So if you download the app, then you'll just be able to compare it with Bluetooth and then update via that. That's how I updated to the latest firmware version. That works really well. There's no sometimes with certain lights. I mean, this one in particular, for example, if I want to update the firmware on that, I need to just plug in a USB stick and update it that way and transfer something to the stick and then transfer it to the light. So to be able to just update it directly from the mobile app is another great little feature. Now I've talked about this combo pack. Let's take a look, shall we, at the different models that are available because actually there are a couple. So if we come over here, I'm looking specifically here at the M20C combo. So this is the color variant and it also then has the combo pack. So we can see here, we've got this, the barn doors and things like that that we've just looked at. You can buy this without the combo pack and the M20C on its own. Of course it comes with the cage though because that is integral to the way that you mount it. That is $130, $140, $139 at the moment on Amazon versus the combo pack, which is basically an extra $30. But to be honest with you, I'd highly recommend going with the combo pack just because of obviously the extra versatility that you get in the control of the light. If you don't need color and you are just looking for a white light, then basically the M20 is basically the white variant. So the C obviously denoting color. So the M20 on its own without the RGB capability. And this is also available as either the standard light or you can get it with the combo pack. Incidentally, I should say also in the box, you do get the USB-C cable, it's USB-C to USB-A. So if you want the USB-C to C, you would need to get that yourself. And then it does also come with this little carry bag that you can put it in. However, I'll likely just be putting this in some sort of foam carrier directly into the camera bag itself or more likely for the other two, they'll be just permanently positioned here in the studio. So I hope that's sort of helped you with getting a bit of a better understanding about that, this light. And it is really something that has exceeded my expectations. As I say, it was something that I was intending to buy anyway. This was sent to me for a review. And as I mentioned right at the beginning, it certainly actually made me think that, yeah, I don't just want to add another one, but likely another three or four maybe to the mix as well, because it is a really compelling light, really versatile. And I can highly recommend it if you are in the market for a light of this sort. I hope you've found that useful. If you have, then don't forget to subscribe to the channel, more reviews like this coming along. And what I'll do is I'll leave a link to some other studio gear related videos over there on the right hand side. Thanks for watching and thanks also to my channel members for all of your support. I appreciate each and every one of you. Have a wonderful day and I'll see you next time.


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From Chicago, it's theCUBE, covering Veritas Vision Solution Day 2018. Brought to you by Veritas. Welcome back to the windy city, everybody. We're here covering the Veritas Solution Days in Chicago. I'm Dave Vellante. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. Robert Swanson is here, CUBE alum from DC Vast. He runs sales at the organization. Great to see you again. Thanks for coming back on. You as well. Thanks for having me. You're very welcome. I'm from the Aria in Las Vegas. We talked a lot about cloud, the big tent event. Now Veritas is doing these solution days going out to where the customers are. It's probably good for you because you're Chicago based, right? Absolutely, yeah. It's good to have the event here in my hometown. So how was this for you today? What did you learn? What's the conversation been like? Yeah, no, it was a good morning. I like kind of the regional approach a little bit more of an intimate event. Had a variety of customers here and colleagues at Veritas as well. So it was definitely a great event this morning. A lot of hot stuff going on in data protection. Cloud, there's multi-cloud security and data protection are kind of coming together. The distributed data center on the edge. New ways, new modes of protecting data. What are you seeing in some of the big drivers out there as you talk to customers? Yeah, no, that's a great question and you really can't avoid the subject of cloud. And first I think you looked at data protection really as, excuse me, cloud as an enabler for data protection. So thinking about on-premise data and how the cloud can help protect that. So especially for mid-market companies, I really allowed them to do some really cool retention and disaster recovery things that they might not have been able to do before or afford to be able to do before. And now we're looking at it more about, all right, there's workloads in the cloud, there's cloud native data, what do you do with that? The cloud providers are guaranteeing you or providing you some SLAs or guidelines around availability, but that's not backup. So now what do we do with the cloud native data? And really though, as workloads start getting put out, not only into the big hyperscaler clouds, but into Office 365 and different file share services and SaaS applications, it truly is IT anywhere now, which really creates a challenge for data protection. I mean, I feel like data management and data protection, the complexity and challenge of it has just grown exponentially in the last few years because now there is important sensitive data everywhere that the companies have to figure out how to maintain and protect and secure and really work for them. What did you talk about just your business, the whole partner channel is just fascinating, something we've been tracking now for a while. Cloud was sort of a shot across the bow to a lot of business models.  But that's changed. I mean, you can't just be a quote unquote box seller, that's a metaphor just for reselling somebody else's technology, you have to be a solution provider. So Cloud was, in one regards, a threat, but it's become an opportunity. How have you guys responded? Talk about the shift toward a solution mindset. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I mean, it really is the channels of a bit of an inflection point with the Cloud and contrary to some popular belief, it's not our mission as a channel company to resell hardware or some piece of software. So it's getting more and more important for our partners to be people that can be companies that can offer us technology to help kind of fit into our model and not necessarily vice versa. So now the Cloud providers have changed where the abstraction layer occurs and there's so much automation out there that some things that we might use to provide services or manage services around low level, assist admin type task, keep the lights on kind of things are done in an automated manner right now. So we really have to kind of redefine what we do for our customers and Cloud is important. So it's really helping customers identify where is the appropriate place to run a workload? What's better on-prem? What's better in the Cloud? Make sure you have that data portability. And we have to be able to provide them guidance and services and really help in that regard as they're navigating it with us. So helping them identify where to put things, how to protect things, how to manage the data and really how to optimize the spend as well as something that we've kind of pivoted towards. Well, it's becoming more complicated, right? Okay, it used to be I've got an application server. I'm going to bolt on some backup because I got to back up the data. Okay, done. And then of course virtualization changed things quite a bit, but now you've got Clouds, you've got multiple Clouds, you've got SaaS, you've got distributed data. You got to worry about, okay, as you were saying, where do I put that data? You're thinking about recovery. Well, how fast can I recovery? So where does that recovery data live? And then who's managing this whole thing? So I would think there's a huge opportunity for you guys to come in, consult with customers, architect solutions that actually address every customer's different, their unique situations. Maybe you could discuss that a little bit and how you're helping folks. Yeah, the lines are really starting to get blurred too on what you do with data, what's securing it versus protecting it, versus backing it up, versus replicating it, versus it being discoverable. So I think that's one of the areas where we're seeing Veritas really kind of evolve and they have the experience in data management. And now with some of the technologies that they're launching, kind of a platform with some of their different technologies kind of containerized and put onto a single platform, I think is really kind of seeing all of this whole concept of data management converging.  Kind of last question, as you look out two, three, four, five years, you're going to have lots of clouds, you're going to have edge, you got all this data, digital transformation, specifically in the context of data protection. How do you see that evolving and what does it look like in the next four or five years? Yeah, I mean, I think I use the term already data portability and workload portability. And I like that and I really think that's where it's going. Because as the public cloud market and even on-prem private cloud market continue to evolve, it's really going to be about portability, right? Where is the most appropriate place to run a workload to have certain data? Is it in the public cloud, is it on-prem? And maybe that changes, right? Maybe the cost modeling changes, maybe the performance requirements change. So that needs to be portable, but with portability, we have to be able to follow that data and those workloads and be able to have some kind of consistent way to protect them. So I really think that's the evolution and that's kind of the arms race with a lot of the vendors in this space right now and what everybody's trying to do because that's where it's all heading. All right, Bob, great. Thanks very much for coming back in theCUBE. Really good to see you again. 85%, I think of Veritas' business goes through the channel.  So really appreciate your perspectives. Thank you. Thanks again for having me. Thanks for coming to Chicago. Hope to see you here again. You're welcome. All right, keep it right there. Everybody will be back with our next guest. Right after this short break, we'll see you at Veritas Vision Solution Days from Chicago. Right back.