All right, then let's call the meeting to order. I think we are at Quorum, we are at, we have Francis, we have Cindy, we have Peter, we have Pam, we have Courtney, who is our intern, who is our wonderful guest this evening. We have Aaron, Holly, Susan, the brilliant earring wearer Andrea, Nicole, and of course, Kim and another, oh, Pamela. Pam, you were signed in twice. Do you all know, does everybody know that? It's because my computer doesn't have a camera, so I have to do the telephone and the computer. Perfect. You know, I've been through this Zoom thing with students all the time. So awesome. Thank you so much. That's why. No, we're just glad to be, so my understanding is, do we have a public to be heard, Miss Angela? Okay, great. I mean, not great, but you love public. Are there any additions or corrections of the November 19th, 2020 minutes, we will need a motion to approve. Cindy? I didn't see anything to correct. So, I know if we approve the minutes as presented. I said, all right, great. Pamela seconds. All in favor. Hi. Anyone opposed? All right. The minutes of November 19th are approved. Thank you, Aaron. You are awesome. You're rocking it, Aaron. Aaron.  All right. So I guess we'll move right on to public. No, additions to our agenda. Miss Angela. Let me just ask you a question real quick, Miss Courtney. We can add you into the, this agenda. Right away. And you can present right away, or we can put you down and you can watch some of, I mean, of course, you're welcome to stay as long as you want. And you can see some of the business and then present. Do you have a preference? I kind of like to see what goes on and then I'd like to present. Awesome Courtney. You got it. So let's stick. It's going to be shifting. New item is going to be eight is going to be intern. Okay. And I just have the downloadable thing. So will you catch me if I mess up, please? I will. Thank you, friend. And then we'll shift everything else down. Okay. Excellent. All right. So no other public invited to be heard. We'll move on to our next motion or the next movement, which is, and just going to give us reports on the RSVP and art on the move. So I'm just going to be real brief here. The first one is the Boston bridge, which is very exciting. I did speak with senior engineer Alan burning. Some of you may have worked with him, Andrea, probably you previously with the main street to 87 bridge he and I spoke actually at length about the way that projects are developed the way that his department comes about the opportunities and the way that that coincides with Steve ranzweiler and parks and he does parks construction and where that overlap is. And then also the recommendations that have been made to us previously from the report from nine dot arts. And so I think that finally believe it or not. So some of these elements are starting to come together. So the Boston street bridge is at a 60% design. And so what that means is that the city is basically understanding the way that the bike trail will go through the way that the bridge will be constructed. And of course, there's a lot of back and forth back and forth back and forth and planning. But it's, it's at that point where we have an opportunity to go up our chain to our superiors and say we're interested in working with planning to develop this project. And the senior engineer has given us a recommendation very briefly he said that there's about a 90 foot by 10 to 12 foot high area that could be conducive to an integrated project that could be a lot of different things it would be visible from the street, but also very visible from the bike path. So next steps is really going to be my going back to my superior saying that Alan and I had spoken and how make them connect and just put it on their radar. So basically give us the okey-doke to move forward so start thinking maybe if you have an opportunity to go and visit that space over the holidays. That would be really helpful and I'll have more information soon but the task force already exists. So of course can augment it if we need to. But yeah, just know that it's, it's, it's a go where a timing for completion. I don't know 2021 2022, but that it's for certain and Cindy. So if you have any contact for Army Corps of Engineers, who will be doing the survey. And so all of this kind of ties into the Isaac Walton thing as well so lots more to come. Yeah, so if you can go with it that'd be great. This is a space that could be used in different ways, a lot of different ways, such as what murals. Yeah, I mean, we, and I think that that's where the commission and the task force will really want to look at the opportunity and then develop what we're going to be writing the call for. I don't know if any of you have visited T Rex when I when I was young T Rex along I 25 there at Dartmouth, almost on the DU campus, they did ball relief in the panels of concrete. If you will it was a almost a repeat pattern like a textile, but it's very dynamic, something like that, a mosaic, could be a possibility, could be a mural could be, you know, I believe you said that I was going to graduate school when that happened at DU. So there's there's a lot of opportunity there and and that's not to say that it's the only option. It was the option that he said would be the most visible. It does not sound like pillars, similar to the main street bridge is the it is is as as much an option as some of the other things but that's that's basically what we're going to learn here in the next couple of months. I would love the idea of borrowing because we don't have anything quite like that here this murals, lots of places and they present their own sort of issues. But I think that would be a great option, right variety and the kinds of things that we do. And I just asked for clarification when we say the Boston Bridge project, are we talking about the bridge that is on the path. That is actually a little off of Boston, or right there off a sunset in Boston there like a block along the river. Where we talking folks made a bridge. The bridge that goes on Boston over the over the creek river. Yeah, so it's right next to like a lot of those breweries like left hand. Yeah, yeah. So the best way I can say it is yes it definitely does not go. It's that one spot in Boston where it in fact doesn't go north south it actually goes more east west. Is everybody talking about and from the, from the one angle the the dare say South, and I will get images, but it would be very the if we were to do the piece on the 90 foot wall that Alan's talking about it would be really very visible from left hand. That like outside area, they call it like the garden. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what they call it, but it would be really visible from there. So again these are preliminary conversations. I definitely will will get more information. So in the order of operations as they kind of develop the project, they get the at 60% then when it's 90% it goes back to staff and says, any last comments, you know, you have anything else to say, and then at 90% when it's done, then it goes to bid. So in between and that sweet spot is where we would develop our project, figure out if it's integrated, see how our budget would augment or assist or that will definitely find efficiencies similar to this sister city project. So some of those materials and contracting staff vendors and such will, they'll be overlap there. So by integrating the project rather than applying something later. You know, that that's where we really want to be rather after it's developed up, you know, applying later. So basically our comment or contribution has to be done by the time hit 90%. So it's there when it goes out for bed. Ideally, apparently the main street bridge was not the case. And it was a very late project and their assistant city manager at that time said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we have this huge bridge. It's a massive opportunity. We have lots of visibility. We need to do something. And so because it happens so late, that's likely why some of those pillars and and also see dot is a pain in the rear, apparently. So by yes, starting starting earlier, we'll be able to get in more ingrained with the workflow. And on the commission when all that nonsense. I mean, that stuff happened at 287. I think I might be the only one. Yeah, it was very challenging. Let's just put it that way, very challenging. And we did the best we could with what we had it was, it was a struggle so see that was our obstacle. And I think we handled it the best we could. But boy, it was a, that was a kind of a heart wrenching project so many of us are not satisfied. Many folks are not satisfied with it, but it is what it is. So we move forward right. It's a state highway. So that inevitably there were going to be issues with that. So, yeah. Unlike what we'll be dealing with. So anyways, that's the long and the short of that. Yeah, more to come. Any, any other questions? All right, I think we're moving right forward on to art on the move. I wish that I said I did have more of an update on timeline, but I really don't. So, um, January, February, still to launch the call for entry. And I'm, you know, looking at what your comments were about the call for entry portal. And we'll have to figure out, again, it's going to be springtime by the time we're voting. So whatever we develop and however we do the call for entry will most certainly be flexible enough that if there is an online portal vote versus a in-person vote, it will be available for both. I wish that I said I had LDDA feedback of whether they're going to contribute, but I don't yet, but I imagine that they will. So January, I expect a lot more information. And you've done a great job with follow up on them. I thank you so much, Angela, because that's not an easy area to go through. Well, they're killing it with the creative district and just being really available for a lot of creatives right now. And so that's really good. I have a lateral question about art on the move 2020. Did did we ever resolve the issue with the lighting on the whirling dervish? No, and she has not been back up, but I imagine yet again, similar to the Maureen, what is Maureen's last name? Hartley? Where she kind of, and that's really what those programs about, right? Like artists investigating new media or opportunity or technology. Yeah, they're using batteries that the sun is not going to in X amount of time per day recharge that battery that she's using. I thought the problem was that there's this the streetlight right there or the lighting right there. That ever lets the artwork think it's night. So it never turns anything on. It could be the same thing that that's exactly what happened with the Maureen hearty thing, but it was odd because when we installed it, it worked. Yeah, but I think that she was standing right there flipping the switch or they were. Oh, that could be the case. Yeah, she's beautiful even without the lit up inside. Super cool. Great piece. Yeah. No more art on the move. We all good. So I keep flipping back and forth on screens. So we have our conservation and maintenance report. Which Angela is this where we want to talk about our discussion. I have worked with a graphic artist to assist me in coming up with a plan for the how we're going to attack the plaque situation. I lean who is not here tonight went through a lot of images we have 80 some pieces that we think that there should be plaques for based upon Paul Tiger of course his his comment and things that we've been talking about previously that everything really needs a plaque plus the redesign with the city. So, in looking back at the images and there were very, very few that there were images of a plaque with the artwork so the thought is that if we can take 10 minutes right now, open up the spreadsheet and we do the old school way of sign up for maintenance, but then also with the goal of by next meeting, you know, and no pressure, but by next meeting, do you go and visit these pieces to do the maintenance report but also, and more importantly, to check if there's a plaque. Do you think that bronze is it centra centra is a very fancy kind of heavy duty plastic. Or is there no plaque at all, because for the graphic designer and for myself to get moving on what this timetable will look like. We have to know the number of pieces that we're talking about. So depending on how you're all feeling, and you can give me a thumbs up thumbs down, we can either go through the spreadsheet one at a time right now and if there's more than one person who would like to visit it. That's totally fine. Or I can systematically send the maintenance sheet the spreadsheet to people. You can sign up for what you want. And then I'll just like go through and send the updated version to somebody else and somebody else, or open up a Google form. And everybody can just kind of go at it that way. The thing Angela and I talked about today. This way if we do it now, we will not have to do our maintenance reports in May. So it's a really cool thing. Those of you have participated and I know Andrea has for many of you have so we can take care of that now. I know it's a little chilly. But it'll get everybody out of the house at the same time. Angela, Angela. Hello. Hello. Do you have the reports that I gave last summer because I took pictures of plaques with all of those. Yes, and I have those noted on. And there was there was one that. Yes, Boston Silverwood. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I think that that I hate to say, but I think that it's true that the majority of these, in fact, do not have plaques and the graphic designer and I talked about the best strategic way of going about this and really it's kind of a tertiary approach right a plaque that has a short name a plaque that has a long name and a plaque that has a super long name and then also being cognizant of city branding bilingual and Braille across the board. So it's, it's a big task. I did some very quick. Talking to foundries and the trophy place and just a eight and a half by 11 is about $225. Now we're going to be doing 80 some pieces so chances are, we're going to get a discount on that but this is our chance to really do it right but even to figure out what the timetable is going to look like. We have to know we're going to start with the things that we've installed recently, and then kind of move back in time. So, yeah, what does and does not have plaques is going to be. So that I photographed it was missing was part of nature's way, whether each of those has its own little plaque, it was one of those that did not have a plaque. So, are we thinking about metal like bronze or something or we. Okay. I think so because they they don't disappear as quickly. And if we do a good job in in spending the time to to put the artist title date in both languages and in Braille. You know, this, this could last so many years. So, so many years and better to have something than nothing. So going forward, we will have kind of like the template for other things that we will be doing. So when we have other pieces, we can make sure this is the template. You know, one thing I thought about after I talked with Angela today is maybe we should be logo free because our logo keeps changing, I don't know. We would need to want to make sure that our logo stays quite permanent. So we aren't. That sounds like a silly thing, but I would love to see it be more permanent and recognizable. Is anybody see what I'm saying spring. And we have this new city seal. So it could be city seal and then just in the same font type, because all of this is already established the city did a bang up job for way finding and some of the things that the city is really investing time and dollars into that these things can can co less. And then the same font, the same branding type, it'll obviously go through communications to get their blessing on on the template before we, you know, pull the trigger on anything, but then that these things will have that similar look and feel granted it's bronze, right. There's no the look, right. And that has, you know, the design elements but certainly brought to you by art and public places across the board and then I mean there could maybe be an opportunity to put a sticker of a qr code, or something like that to lead people to the internet and such. You know, maybe, but I think that these are the things that will figure out in design. Hey Marsha, I see you have a question and then Andrea. It's not really a question as just I was involved through the DDA and, and through the city communications about the way finding project and I wanted to address your concerns Amy that the logo is changing all the time, because that project was designed and and built to last for decades. And I think it that that logo should last long enough that you'd need to replace the plaques anyway. That's great. I'll be dead when the new logo comes out. I'm fine with that sister fine with that. Great Andrea. I just like to add that I hope that we're involved with the continuing of to adding of that plaque of course we would go off the new city of Longmont plaque, but we are public places and I hope that maybe there's a little more color or something a little more color added to our little logo which can be totally related and connected to the cities but something in that as well. I agree, Andrea.  What is your dream then me in your palm trees. What would you like to see. Something artistic for art in public places. Okay, good. Good. Um, so do we need to get a task force to develop some type of logo thing. What do you think Angela now we're working with a graphic artist. Um, the art in public places has the established circular logo with the door, and then the city branding has its seal, and then elements of that seal can be extrapolated and used and so there is a very comprehensive design and branding guide that the graphic designer will follow. And so really I think the biggest thing that we as a group need to do to move forward is to assign either ours, assign ourselves to the artworks to figure out our order of operations. I agree. I think that's great. So I have a question for the commission. Would we like to, because I mean this could take us a while, and it's up to y'all. Would you like to assign yourselves to pieces or are you willing to do this digitally and digitally and sign yourself up because Angela I talked about this, it could take us a while. So that would mean that we would need to go through all the pieces tonight and sign ourselves up. We can do it pretty quickly I think is Angela and I talked about that, or would you rather do it via a document. So let's get some feedback on that. How many open, unlooked at pieces are there do you know, we thought, sadly, about 7680 assign everybody 10 just to sign everybody 10, and we talked about that today. So, maybe you, all if you're willing to send Angela and myself an email that says, hey, I'll take this 10, but at the same time, would you all be okay with us just assigning them. Sure. At this stage, I definitely would be. All right. I think that that's what I'll do is just alphabetically go through, then I'll send the list to you with a deadline and just do our best and we'll we'll revisit this in January. All right. Yeah, pictures again. Really, for this exercise, I will send you the link to the maintenance report and if you are able to do it from your phone digitally or otherwise at home. Fantastic, but for this exercise. Just a yes, no, if there is a plaque, if it is plastic, or bronze, or not at all. And then a picture is bonus points. Right. So really what you want is, is a report on the plaques, period. Yeah, let's look at it this way also if you see damage that's on the piece that maybe was not reported. Angela just you muted yourself sister. If you see damage on the piece that is like striking, there've been some suspicious things going on in the city in the last six months. So if you see things, put that on there and then we will work to get that fixed. But I just think that this is be arduous if we went through the whole list. I mean, if you all want to we can I'll just take a little nap. And then we could do that but if you're willing to, if you're willing to let Angela and myself split up the list and assign them. That would be fantastic. I will do them all over town. I don't mind driving anywhere in town. No, that's fine for me to try and consolidate them so we're working in. Yeah, right. I'm not going to send you all over town if I don't do we need a motion on that. Nope. Okay. So Angela is going to go ahead and this duly noted Aaron that Angela is going to go ahead and I will help her as needed to assign pieces that we will all go take a look at all of us. So we can get 12345613 and then we'll send an email to those who were not able to attend and let them know that this is our plan. And if anybody objects, and maybe a few of us could take a couple ever other pieces. But I'm on a holiday break as of tomorrow morning at nine o'clock so give them on I can't wait to go look at some art. Any other questions or objections that we need to talk about.  So now we're, we're already at 630 tour administrators report. Oh, I forgot. Gosh, I'm so sorry. Oh, it's okay. So sorry. Courtney I told you I would forget you. So hit it Courtney. All right, can everybody hear me. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Okay. So my name is Courtney. I'm a senior at the University of Colorado in Boulder. I'm currently majoring in art history but I'm also minoring in classical studies. So I started my internship at the Longmont Museum back in August, and for like the first couple of weeks, and like, and like a few weeks sporadically throughout the semester. I was working alongside Jared and exhibitions doing various tasks, but I spent the majority of the semester working with Angela and a IPP. I started off by familiarizing myself with like what it is that a IPP does, and also familiarizing myself with the pieces and the collection. I also learned how to condition report and I even completed a couple myself. So, after this like introduction of sorts. I kind of laid out a couple of prospective projects that I could work on for the remainder of my time as an intern here at the museum. And I decided on creating a walking tour for the pieces that are located in downtown Longmont. This way that the public could become more knowledgeable about the artwork that they see on a regular basis. I started off by giving Angela a list of the pieces that I wanted to include on the tour, and those ended up being emerge which is on the main street bridge. So Los Arcos, Brick Sculpture, Walk of Life, Early Longmont, and two of the newest pieces in the collection, which are Ursa Major and the Tony Ortega mural under the same sun. And all of these are kind of centrally located downtown. After I sent her that list, she sent me file folders on each piece that included artist statements and proposals, photographs and prospectus documents, everything that I would need to start writing the blurs of information on each of these pieces. So, after that that kind of like started me off after that I looks for like newspaper articles that had information on either the artist or the specific piece which I found in the Times call. And I even found an article in the New York Times about the artist who did Early Longmont. And then after looking through newspaper articles, I started going through artists websites trying to get like more background information on the artists just to kind of get a whole picture about for these pieces. So, gathering all this information, you know I had to think about like. I was kind of asking myself like five basic questions the whole time, like who did it. Why did they do it. When did they do it. Where is it at. And then I think my last one was why, why did they do it. So, yeah, just kind of putting all that information together into a blurb so that when people go and like visit these pieces they have that information at the ready kind of like the walking tours for like the historic tour downtown does. And I was hoping that the finished project was not only informative, but it's also, you know, conversational and accessible to the audience and it, I just hope it's an enjoyable experience for the people who end up partaking in it and they walk away with more knowledge about the artwork that decorate the city. So, thank you. Do you have any questions I'm more than happy to answer. I found out quite a bit while doing this I have, it was, it was incredible. I really enjoyed this experience. Hey Susan has a question for you Courtney. Yeah go for it. Oh, will it be mounted like the historical information on the buildings downtown, where you just can do it with your phone, like a qr and it'll talk to you. Yes, that's kind of what me and Angela had discussed either that or doing like a pamphlet that you can like pick up at the local businesses downtown and then take the tour that way. But it was more likely to be kind of how the historic tour is where it's like you scan a qr code and it pulls up on your phone and you know you can listen to an audio recording, or you can just read it yourself. Great. Love it. Fantastic Courtney. Anybody else have questions she's doing great Courtney I just want to thank you for your service and thank you for all the time that you spent we are so grateful to you. I know this has been a challenge to do everything digitally and to come tonight was not easy, and we love you and we thank you so much for your very hard work. Any other questions for Courtney. I have a question about the internship is this is through see you is that you get credit is that correct. Yes, that is correct. Okay, it's like a class that you signed up for and then like you kind of get to pick which one you want to, like which museum you want to I just I just want to say that interns rock I had an intern work for me this fall also and some some journalism work that I do. And she was just absolutely fabulous and having having that opportunity everybody wins so well so again thank you so much for doing this I think it's really terrific. I enjoyed it a lot yeah. We are so fortunate. Andrea has a question for you my friend. That sounds like a really fun project I wish I could have been an intern. I was wondering, did you. Did you, were you able to present that to your class at all or, and how was that graded for your internship. Yes, so mostly the class was kind of like a seminar so like we would have like weekly readings and we would discuss but at the end we had a presentation. I had to give on the projects that we've been working out so I got to present this project to them just two weeks ago actually. Nice. Yeah and I'm pretty sure Angela is going to be sharing what I've worked on with you guys too. So you'll get to see everything that I've written and like the photos I've taken I even like took the tour myself and like got GPS coordinates for everything. Sorry I was nodding my husband just kind of looked up pulled up a chocolate and said you want this I'm like, duh. Courtney, you have been such an asset to Angela and to the museum and to the AIP team. So I hope we could all formally just tell you how much we appreciate your hard work, what you've done. We are very, very grateful. It's been a difficult time and you've just stuck with us so thank you so much. So everybody give her a hand if you can. Thank you.  Okay, not only thank you to Courtney but that I don't want to tutor horn Courtney but Courtney has decided to apply for grad school. So, go girl you go and you get it and you take it and you run with it and one of the things that we've continued to talk about in this process is really the differences in the similarities between art and public places and museum collections and how you do the culture of your community and these pieces that could be in an archival state or could be in a public community state, how that is important and how that thread runs and so I just, I hope that you have had a well rounded experience and that that it really does add to your future but yeah, I'm so most definitely has done. It's not ranged community college so I'm just really, really fortunate that you became a part and I think you are a mentor for other students and I would love to talk with you about that later on in another life. Okay, great. I'm almost a little teary because I was so good. Anybody else. I'm sorry. One more thing that I think that art and public places is history in the making art history in the making. So, I hope you view that when you go ahead with your museum studies and your history that you have lived art history by working with art and public places. I just wanted to add that's a beautiful point and Andrea has been involved with us Aaron, or I mean Aaron I just like Courtney for. That's what zoom is bad about because you look down at names and Aaron and Courtney are right next to each other and Andrea has been involved with us for white close to 25 years, 24 years 97 I think you said, give or take. She was like four years old when she started with art and public places. So, thank you. You got a late start you got a late start. So you better catch up with Andrea. Any other feedback with Courtney. You guys have. Thank you so much. Pamela. Oh, no, I don't know what happened. I was just sitting here.  No, I agree with everything. Great. Again, thank you Courtney, much love to you much happy holidays to you. So we are now on to our administrators report, which is our blessed Angela Brill. Thank you so much for joining us today. I just want to add except that we have just this last Tuesday, Marsha thank you very much for getting our three new commissioners to work fully loaded, which is great. And some folks will be going off in June but I think that we're our outreach, despite all the COVID business. We're not sure about what we're doing. So, that's really exciting. I am very interested in some folks maybe acting as orientation buddies. I don't know the nice way of saying saying the buddy system. So who would like to be a buddy. And what I mean is just we'll have like a IPP orientation zoom meeting together answering questions all send you and that person some documents to see. And then we'll just have a quick little getting to know you situation so when they come into this meeting come January, February, that they don't feel so out of the loop so it'll be kind of like a mentorship. Not so much buddy. I mean, buddy. Yeah, buddies like I'm a buddy. I love elf. He was buddy. But yeah and somebody they could contact independently if they had questions about something that's going on, where we are in a project, just that kind of thing so Go. Yeah, it would be great if you all would think about this. I, I would do it but I think it's best if we have my my term ends in the end of May. Randy. So I my term ends at the end of May, I would I'm happy to like be with you all on this because I think I'm Randy and are probably the most tenured folks on this crazy commission but Every, you want, I think it'd be great to have somebody that's active. Anybody hear me. Yes, Laura, we hear you. Oh okay I didn't I don't see myself in here so I didn't know if you hear you but we don't see you sweetheart. Okay, well I would definitely like to do that be a mentor and be a buddy. Cindy you'd be great to that be great. And Randy, yes. And I will say it one more time as I said last meeting. I will be ending my term in May, as Angela made me cry today and reminded me. And I, again, I will say thank you for your support this last four months has been horrible, but I feel like I'm on the upturn. After my dad passed two weeks ago, I feel like I can like focus a little bit and be really concentrated on this awesome organization. So thank you for your support. Anybody else want to be a mentor. Let us say that you're going to really love the new commissioners they are great. I love everybody but I love them extra thank you very much Marsha for your hard work on that because I didn't get vetted very well, but I'm really excited. Another question is they will be having an orientation city clerk's office to go through kind of the city orientation. Is there anyone who did not participate in a city orientation. Holly, I know it too. So why don't you all email Angela, because I think this would be a really great opportunity. I know that I did not get the training. I mean, I only had this much of Robert's rules. I've read a couple of books, when Paul me said, or when Paul means left, and I'm still not very good at it but so please email Angela and say hey I would love to do that orientation again. I'm sure it will be worthwhile and we talked about today some of the content that would be great for everybody and I think I, if I go on another commission and about 10 years after I get through 2020. I think it's going to be 10 years right. Everybody looks like it has been 10 years. So I have Susan Holly Aaron, I know Noah has not gone through city training. Anybody else who has not sat with Cindy and Don Quintana Francis and Cindy pretty sure I didn't know. I'm pretty sure I didn't either. My orientation is like, like 40 minutes long. I may even ask them. I mean if they have enough room for all of us, it would be great because the city attorney is there. There's all sorts of really important information that comes out of that training I sat through it. When I first arrived and it answered a lot of questions for me so I enjoyed the orientation when I went and I did learn a lot. Yeah, definitely worthwhile. If they don't have room for us, I might ask if they'll do it independently for us or even record it for us but I will inquire right now I know that it is scheduled for February 6, 6.  And that Angela. Hey, you know what it's probably going to be virtual. So I'll be able to accommodate whoever you know what I mean. So just FYI. Yeah, Don asked me specifically how many. Because it is not just our commission orientation. It's every. Oh, it's significant. Gotcha. Sorry. Yeah, but hey, what's five more, you know, I don't know. We'll see. Okay. Very good and that that would be pretty much all I got. And let me tell you, I was telling Angela today, those of you who remember the good old Paul Meese. He was the king of Roberts orders and he was like, he was just, he was the director of HR at front range for 10 years and so he knew how to run a meeting. And he used to tell me that you have to quit babbling. And so, Angela and I both like love to talk. So we're working on that but Paul Meese is a really great advocate. So if any of you would like to reach out to him. He would love to talk with any of you and give you advice too. So I encouraged Angela to reach out to Paul and see if he wanted to help. He's doing really, really well. Yes, Holly. I wanted to ask a quick question about the new commissioners. So will we see them in the January meeting. Is that when we'll be invited yes and hopefully that they will join us. I need to send them information. My goal was to get buddies tonight, send them information and buddy you up next week. Allow them the last bit of the holiday season to kind of review. And then, you know, get a little more introduction prior to to our January meeting. Every single one of them, one of them called me in advance and we talked for an hour and a half. The other ones that you don't like to chat Angela. No, the other ones who attended our meetings actually ended up on other boards and commissions they applied for multiple. And I think that it at least thus far everyone that I've emailed and say, hey, let me tell me a little bit about you has just been excited to be welcomed so I think we're in. We're in good shape so. And Susan, sure they've all accepted. So, can you tell us who they are or is that like private. I mean, they have, they've been welcomed and they went through the application process so I'm going to, I'm going to tell you, and I actually can I ask you, do we need to vote on them. No, that's a, that's a counseling council. We don't need to do that you're right you're right. Hold on just a moment. So, I vote you're this Trisha, Tris, Tris, TRISA, Trisa Baxter and Jennifer Miller and Dan, Danielle, Dan, why ELLE Danielle haven't Cavani. So, Marsha was there for the interview so I trust Marsha with everything Marsha you you were impressed right friend. I was impressed with all three of them. I would say Danielle is has the most potential for creativity and drive, but everybody brings. A lot of passion. All three of them do I mean there were some other applicants that didn't but you know, that's great. Marsha thank you. We don't need to know anymore you, you will all get to know each other. More than you want. No, no, I didn't mean that you will get to know each other. Marsha had the great opportunity to interview people, but I think it's good for people to come into this commission on a clean slate. And no, I trust Marsha with my kidneys in my heart, because she's, she's proven that she's dedicated to this commission into the city and so I think we just trust Marsha and say go Marsha thank you so much for your service. Thank you for giving us commissioners and you all will, you all will be gentle and kind with them I hope. And I know you will. Because you're amazing folks, and we finally, I think we finally figured out the interviewing process the actual applicant process, and Marsha has been so great and wonderful to help us with that so everybody, I think you'll love them. Yes Marsha. Yeah, okay. Awesome. Keep saying that. Um, so we have this wonderful any new business. Angela that any. Okay. Oh, Peter has some. I just wanted to give a little, a little report that I was in contact recently with some friends from like way back someone I went to high school with who has lives in Maine and Delaware and has lived in Hawaii she's been all over the country. And who works it was a great close friend of mine also who works in working in the film industry. So she's she's a very sophisticated and artistically inclined person. And I was telling her about being on this commission and what the art and public places program does in Longwood, and she was just absolutely blown away. I don't think I've been to anything that organized and that well thought out and, and it really made me feel good to be a part of this commission and to be someone living in Longmont. I just thought I'd pass. You're living in the palm trees Peter. I don't know if you're in Longmont we don't have palm trees here. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in the Mekong Delta right now. Thank you Peter that's beautiful I really appreciate that. And that being in Texas, Austin has this huge art influence, but that's it. I mean, the rest of Texas, they just don't really care that much so I went and looked at some art. The last time, or the time before in Austin and they're kind of on the same path of as us and they're at a million people. So that's pretty cool. So we're really fortunate to have the support of city council and the love of all of you and we all come from different backgrounds and areas and I think we bring so much to this commission that whether we've been here for two years or 49 years. I think that's a good thing. So let's move on. Susan, please tell us about your Erie Middle School virtual trip. Andrea. Oh, sorry Andrea. Yeah, you're muted Andrea. You're muted. Are we still at commissioners comments. Yes ma'am. I just wanted to comment about the new Longmont book by Eric Mason. I was privileged to be gifted this book. There's lots of pictures, lots of great stories. It is not a doll history book. And it's about time because Berthet, Nywot, hygiene, not hygiene. Lions every little small town in Boulder County had a book, but we didn't. We finally have it and it's amazing, amazing. So go out and get it gifted to your friends. I hope everyone got their copy because it was. Thank you, Angela. It's on my coffee table. Having lived, however, Andrea, in hygiene, lions, Longmont. I think we've all had a piece of Longmont. My grandparents were here in 1907. So it's pretty cool. Thank you. I'm going to go out to the parks book, which I can't, I have it, but I, Paul, if it's Gerald also wrote the parks book, which there's a section art in art and public places. So both of them are on sale at the museum. So to Andrea's point, if you're thinking about gifts for family and friends, there's the history and then there's also the parks book. This is a weird thing to say, but when I went through my dad's house two weeks ago, I sent him the, the Longmont book that was, I shouldn't say free, and he had it next to his bed. Like he was reading it. So that's he was a managing editor of the Longmont Times call. And so Longmont meant a lot to a lot of people. And I've learned that. And I think that we have such a beautiful rich history. And I think that's something that we should value. Thank you, Andrea. What a great point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Andrea, or Angela. All right. I think we are really close Susan. Yes. Yes. And again, thank you for that gift of that book. It's really very cool.  It was just very lovely. So thank you very, very much for it. Yes, well, the universe talked to Angela and I and we talked to the universe. We were meeting with Noah and Angela myself we were looking for spots for some of the new artwork. And I grabbed Angela's ear during a quiet moment and said, Oh, I don't know if you remember I talked to you about I wanted to do an educational piece in art and public places. And so we talked about it. And the very next day she sends me this email like a our conversation is on because the area middle school our teacher just call and wants to know if we have a program. And I said, Oh, right, let's do it.  I feel like I know what Courtney's talking about when she went into everything and did research about how what where when. Yes, that's Andrew, I'm sorry, Angela sent me a bunch of files probably came from you Courtney. And went through them and we went through some slides. The long and short of it was, we put together a deck slide presentation for the middle school we did it. And I, I felt I presented it. Angela chimed in when I was like, I don't know what that means or can answer that question. Well, let's throw it to her. So, I felt like it was very successful. The feedback was that it was and that they were engaged. These were middle schoolers and they didn't have to be there. And they did kind of had to come to Jesus talk for a minute from their teacher. I don't go off screen and it was hilarious. It was great. But it was, it was really well done. And then I was just so high from it, I got off I was like, emailing Angela, we got to do more we got to do more we're going to get this all together. Because once you have a deck made once you've got your slide and presentation your research done.  Angela, a list of all since this was prepared for middle school, all the middle school art teachers in St. Frank, and a few of the charter school ones that I could find. So hopefully we will expand it. And I think, especially during this time of virtual and co vid. You know, it's, it's hard. Oh my gosh, art teachers it's really hard because of the hands on or the not hands on or you get tired of the art history whatever it is a curriculum is doing. It's a nice easy process to like, here's art in your community and we're going to have somebody else talk about it for a while and you don't have to listen to me blah blah blah. So I feel like it's a great moment for it to happen. And I was, I was just thrilled about it and I hope we can just keep that ball rolling. It was awesome. And if you didn't know that Susan was a teacher and is just amazing at presenting and engaging kids. She she proved it in spades. So, yeah, it was like who doesn't want to talk about artwork that's in a bathroom, like, it's pretty fun. It was great. Hey, Susan, we're very grateful to you. Thank you so, so much. My pleasure and I really do have we can keep the ball rolling on it. So, yeah, exciting. It was very exciting. Wow. Gosh, aren't we lucky. This. Sorry, I'm just like, what a great community what a great group okay I'm going back to my agenda now. Okay, we got him. I have nothing. Are there any other commission reports anything else we need to address before we adjourn, not really adjourn. We are adjourning to our holiday extravaganza that has been so creatively put together by our friend and our leader, Angela, who just now put on her hat. So, what I would propose that we adjourn this meeting. I would love it if Nicole Nicole, do we have to record this. No, I'm going to adjourn it. I'm going to watch. I'm not going to turn it you guys are going to adjourn it.  And I love you to know Nicole. So we need to acknowledge Nicole. She has been through so much with us. And she has put up with some stuff that she shouldn't have had to and I just, you are, you are just so wonderful and we thank you for your time. And at 702 on a Thursday night to have to put up with crazy art people. We love you very much and we thank you for your time. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. Oh, here goes my dog again. Let's give it. If you notice that I'm muting a lot. It's because my dog has gone nuts. He's nine months old and marshes cat at least she doesn't he doesn't bark. Stick around for very invigorating witty trivia. And a major award. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you might not want to play. So we'll just give each other five minutes to take a little break. You need to formally adjourn first though. So we need to have a move. We need to have a motion to adjourn. I make a motion to adjourn. I second. All in favor. So let's return at 707. Or any you guys can keep talking. Happy, happy, Mary, Mary.


Good day, fellow investors! The Argentinian stock market crashed more than 50% in one day on Monday. It is the second largest one-day stock market crash in history. It is a very, very interesting situation. Argentina has been a stock market that I thoroughly researched the stock opportunities on the New York Stock Exchange. A year ago, I even bought one which is now my biggest portfolio loss currently positioned in the market. And in this video, I want to discuss what's going on in the market, what has happened this Monday, the investing strategy when it comes to Argentina, the macro situation, the risk and reward that hasn't really changed from when I analyzed things and invested. And then my investing strategy when to buy, when will I sell, when will I buy again to give you a comprehensive overview of investing in such situations like it is this crazy scenario we can call it in Argentina. Let's first see what happened. So the Argentinian ETF that has also some global exposure has been down 17% over the day. 20-something percent was the decline on Monday. It looks like stable a little bit up now on Tuesday as I'm filming this. The iShares Argentina ETF was down 25% for the day erasing almost all of the yearly gains. So when you look at all already from a year-to-date perspective, it is still up 7%. Then looking from Bloomberg, the Merval Index adjusted for currency had a hit 48% in one day. So the second largest historic hit to an index in one day, which is big, big news and it's a very, very big thing. The reason for the carnage is that Macri, the pro-business current president lost by more than expected in a primary vote. The real election will be held on October 27 and we will see whether Macri will be able to use the market sentiment, the current negative sentiment, against its opponent Fernandez. Fernandez is from the previous environment political stream in Argentina much more leftist than Macri, much less business oriented and much more, let's say populistic. Whether one is better or not, that can all only be decided afterwards. After one has been in play, the other has been in play. The situation is always changing and we will see whether Argentina will come out or not. And this is something crucial when it comes to an investing strategy that has to be understood before investing in a country like Argentina. I'll show you now about that. So when it comes to investing in Argentina, apart from the political issues that there are always political opinions, but you have to assess the risk and reward. And this is what I wrote the last time I analyzed Argentina for my stock market research platform. Let me show you. So on the 18th of April 2019, I said that from the current perspective, I would put it like this when it comes to investing in Argentina. 10% chance, 100% loss, bye bye money, and that's it. 40% chance that Kirchner wins, which happened this Monday, 50% down short term, which was a very, very prescient calculation as the market fell 48%. Long term neutral, so you can closely watch buy more because there is a chance that the new government will not do crazy things, will not nationalize everything, will not put an end to private property. There will be higher taxes, there might be something like that. But in the long term, it might be okay-ish, might be 25% macro wins, okay business as now, give it time, 25%, 200% upside of more if macro succeeds. Now the ratios should be much different. We know that higher probability of Kirchner winning, but we'll still don't know whether the Kirchner situation will be that bad for investors. Now it will be very bad for bond investors, especially as the negative sentiment exerberates the situation for bonds because if nobody wants to buy, if nobody wants to buy bonds, if nobody wants to refinance, then you are in trouble. But if you are selling your bonds, you're creating such a spiral of negative news. So you're practically cutting the branch you are sitting on. But that's something that bond investors should always expect. They are chasing those yields. They have been chasing that yield in Argentina because it's higher than in Europe or higher than there without thinking about the bond risk. The new probably future president said they will not hope not to default on bonds, but if the negative sentiment persists, they will be forced to default, reorganize, which per se might not be a bad thing after all. Investors that invest in assets, the only thing you have to fear and keep it as a risk as I still keep it as a 10% chance is nationalization of private ownership. That's something that can always happen. I always keep it in mind. It can happen everywhere in the world, especially due to the popular politics now. But that's something that will unlikely happen. I don't think the Argentinians will like to renounce their private property. So we have to see how what's going on fits that investment scenario now and over the very, very long term. In his book Dead Cycles, Ray Dalio perfectly explained the situation in Argentina. The currency devaluation, the peso losing value at some point will make Argentina cheap again, will make Argentina attractive to investors, will make Argentinian food products cheaper on a global scale, will make more money for Argentina and the country will start to go up again, especially if the debt gets restructured, which is a positive again for long-term investors. So that might happen. It usually takes a long time, 84 months for the whole cycle up and down, depending on the politics, shorter, longer term. So we'll see, but we must not forget that there has been an injection of 52 billion from the IMF. They have to restructure their deals, terms with them, how to fix that. Bondholders might get some cuts, some severe permanent capital loss situations, but then it again, it's different for investors. Everybody's now selling in panic, but what do you do as an investor? What's my investment strategy? Well, the first thing when it comes to investing is, okay, I am buying assets there. I'm not speculating, I like that piece of land in Buenos Aires, no matter where the pezzo goes, I think that over the long term it might be a hotel or something. It will do good because it's the capital, there is football, there is whatever soccer, there is things that will keep the country growing.  So there is value from an intrinsic perspective. If you like buying assets that are very cheap, no matter where there are in the world and wait a year, five, 10 years from them to appreciate, then you are an investor. On the investment strategy, going back to my report of April, I would say that in one of five cases of investing in such a scenario like Argentina was and is now, I expect a 100% loss. In one, I'll break even and in three of five, I'll probably make three times my money. So if I invest five, after five years my return should be 10, this would be a 15% return over the years. If it's faster, it will be higher. If I hit a landmine like I did now, it might be a little bit slower, but five years is a very, very long time. So when I saw one stock that I will not talk now in details here because it's not the point of the video. If you want to see it, you can check my stock market research platform with portfolio and everything. Then I saw, okay, this, I like the best assets there. It's below book value on a global scale. And then that's the first thing. If you like the assets, you say, okay, I'm happy being an owner of those assets there. And there are many opportunities now to buy great assets in Argentina that have global businesses that have differentiated businesses diversified that don't have that much in common with Argentina itself and the macro situation there. But there is always the risk of nationalization, minor risk. 10% could happen. Keep that in mind. Secondly, if you own those assets, if there is a crash like we have seen now 50%, what do you do? Well, what did I do on Monday? I doubled the number of shares that I was owning. So I said, okay, first entry point risk X lower entry point risk from a price perspective, I buy at a 50% discount from what I bought earlier. So I'm even happier to buy now. And then I have a third buy. A third buy, if stocks crash another 50%, I have another buy. And that's it. And that's my portfolio exposure. So that's my total maximum portfolio loss if there is nationalization and it becomes, I don't know, a scenario like Albania was in the 70s, 80s. But that's really unlikely. Perhaps if there is a rebound, I sell my buy off from Monday. And then I'm already in positive territory and still holding the assets I held in the first place. So first you have to see, okay, what am I buying? Keeping in mind the worst thing that can happen as an investor there, individual businesses, some businesses dealing dollars have nothing to do with the pesos. The pesos are the costs. So even better if it depreciates. Some businesses are export businesses. Some businesses have really great assets. Some businesses don't have that. So it's a very different story. But the market sell off shows that everything has been sold because of panic. So if you do what the opposite of what the crowd does, buy, be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy. These situations are situations that perfectly describe the saying and you have to really have the courage or the strategy to invest. I know I can lose everything. That's a 10% chance in the global strategy of investing in such situations. I'm happy. 1 out of 5 will go bad. 2 will do nothing. 2 will do great. My returns will be positive over the long term for the portfolio. Let's look at this. Companies like Pampa and Alhia, I think I've analyzed this in a video, have the client in price but are still higher where those were five years ago. So still might be an opportunity. Look at this company. If you like the assets, there is some debt that I didn't like here, I think. But look at a company like this and then you say, okay, if I like the assets, if I like the oil strategy, no matter what the price and I'm ready to average down, if the stock price falls again, then okay, I say, I buy this, I'm ready to average down, I look at my portfolio exposures and I'm looking happy to hold this for a long term. When it doubles, if you look at it again, it was at nine just what five years ago and then it hit 70 a year and a half ago. So that's a 7x return. That is the risk reward when it comes to investing. Yes, there will be volatility, but there is always upside. So this is what you have to keep in mind. This is just Argentina. China is another example where there are plenty of such situations. There will be much more in the world and this is part of just portfolio strategy, buying assets at what price, looking at the risk reward. You can never know what will happen. Political opinions are one thing, probabilities investing, knowing, I don't know what will happen in the next three months in Argentina. Will the situation change? Will it not change? I knew that the situations wasn't good, but there are many, many factors that influence that from the fact that Argentina is very much dependent on commodity prices. If commodity prices rebound, then Argentina will find itself in a much, much better situation. One of the reasons for the trouble is low commodity prices, especially food prices. So that's the long story short. Think how this might affect your portfolio. If you can stomach the volatility, don't even invest in Argentina. Forget about it. There will be plenty of other investments with lower risk and perhaps lower upside, but still very, very good upside. So it's not for everybody. See how this fits your investment style. Thank you for watching. Looking forward to comments. I'm ready for the political comments. I told you so, Argentina's risk. You're crazy for that. You're crazy for that. But this is simply part of my strategy. I might be biased. I come from a frontier market. So this is something that I'm completely used to. And I try to balance it with correct portfolio exposure. I'm not afraid of losing money because in the long term, even losing here and there maximizes my portfolio long term returns, not the first time that I am in this situation. Thank you for watching. Looking forward to comments and I'll see you in the next video.


This happens when you ignore the narcissist When you refuse to take notice of them when you disregard them intentionally The narcissist will immediately notice That you are behaving differently They will notice that you are ignoring them, but rather than reflecting on their own behavior and Questioning if they did something wrong they will focus on your behavior They will blame you for ignoring them They will see it as though the no-contact was unauthorized Because they expect everything to be done under their terms If they don't agree to something Then it should not take place Regardless of what they might have done Which then caused you to ignore them when you ignore the narcissist They notice that you are behaving differently and they worry that other people are going to notice your change of behavior They worry that other people might recognize that your behavior has changed due to the abuse So they will enforce flying monkeys and start a smear campaign against you They will tell everyone that you did something wrong You are being selfish and now you've just abandoned them It keeps put people focusing on your behavior and your reaction to their abuse Rather than what the narcissist did to you Which then caused you to ignore them if you ignore the narcissist They will start a smear campaign against you They will run to anyone who will listen to negative things about you And they will say that you're bad or not good enough You're a liar or a cheater You're crazy They will reverse the situation on to you You go from being what they saw as a weak helpless victim To being someone who is a serious threat to them Simply because they can now use it to gain sympathy from other people They can use it to get attention and even to gain new sources of supply They get supply by gossiping about you By telling secret information Talking about your private life spreading rumors magnifying details that are irrelevant or unimportant When you ignore the narcissist They will get a new source of supply They will get someone else to replace you But although it may look like they met them after you left It's more likely that they were already communicating with them before you left In some cases the new source is someone they knew before they even met you It is likely that the narcissist has been telling the new source How horrible you are for some time But it will really amplify in the smear campaign The narcissist will give them a story or explanation To make them feel sympathy Which then makes the new source want to fix the situation It makes them want to help the narcissist Which is what the narcissist wants They may also want you to know about the new source They may upload pictures of them of them on social media It's designed to get a reaction out of you and make you stop ignoring them Which is then further supply for them, but if you continue ignoring them They will then hoover you you will receive lots of calls and texts the best thing to do Is to decline their calls and block them They're only going to play on your emotions and Try to get a reaction out of you as you continue ignoring the narcissist The flying monkeys may then attack you They will act on behalf of the narcissist for an abusive purpose Sometimes the flying monkeys don't even know what they're doing They're just being manipulated and used by the narcissist But other times they do know what they're doing Either way, they're just trying to get you to contact the narcissist The narcissist may even contact your friends and family In an attempt to get you to contact them They will always find a way to pop up in your life Whether it's a call or a text or you see them in person. It's always a hoover attempt It's always an attempt to initiate some form of contact They will stalk and harass you. They will watch what you're doing online They might wait outside your home or workplace Because in their minds You belong to them.  I hope this video has it with you Please like comment share and subscribe Click the bell icon receive notifications for my future videos Check out the new Narc Survival website at www.narcsurviver.uk Where you can read my blog posts book coaching sessions and join a support forum if you would like to donate My PayPal link is in the video description Coaching inquiries you can email me at coaching at Narc survivor to go to UK Thank you for watching and I'll talk to you soon