Yep, Charlamagne the God. Hold on. Sorry. I have to prepare myself. I have to prepare myself. Andrew Schultz!  Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Schultz was putting me on the, uh, who, the Jelly Roll? Oliver Anthony, bro. Oliver Anthony. Oh, I think that was Jelly Roll. No, that's Wango. Wango, that's his name? White Django, that's what we call him. White Django. That's Wango. Oliver Anthony taking over the country charts. Country music. White Soul is back. Salute to big, uh, salute to Wango. It's really one of these things that she's trying to rile me up even in the beginning. We didn't even get five minutes in the episode for it. She's trying to rile me up. I mean, for what? She's always trying to rile me up. And why? She gets me all riled up, and then she gets angry and me that I'm riled up at her. How was your week? It was great until 20 seconds ago when Taylor started riling me up again. Did I tell you I met Jelly Roll? I hope so. What are you doing? What are you doing, pal? Come on now. What are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you laughing? Come on, what are you doing now? I just met Jelly Roll. Where'd you meet him? He was at the radio station. OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was at the radio station. And? Why are you laughing? I was like, I'm not at Jelly Roll. Cool. He's the coolest motherfucker on the planet, but you laughing. I know the joke, but I'm not going to act like I know the joke. Wait, do you work with Jelly Roll every day? What are you laughing at? Y'all fucking, y'all really fucking. Don't yell at me. Don't yell at me, because you keep it going. He's right. He tries to rile me up. But you keep it going. And he tries to rile me up every single time, too. Both of y'all rile me up every day. I come in here peaceful. I took a nice deep breath before the podcast started.   But that's how Taylor makes people feel. I tell her that all the time.  People will be like, why are you doing this? I'll say it because of Taylor, because of her. Yeah, I don't even be in the studio. You don't even see me.  She's the reason why you're calcified.  And I said, you just saying this to me.  You want me to say it on the podcast? I know this one. No, you made it up. Oh, oh, oh. Good idea. She's like, I'm going to Tampa. I said a word. She's like, no, first of all, I got to leave the podcast early. I said, a word? Why? I got to go to LaGuardia. No, I said, where you going? She goes, LaGuardia. I said, yeah, but where you going? Yeah, yeah. She goes, Tampa. And I go, oh, what's in Tampa? Beyonce. Are you going all the way to Tampa to see Beyonce? She's like, oh, yeah, me and my friend, Taylor. Taylor don't exist. Yes, she does. Yo, you sound crazy. You going along to Beyonce, yo? You guys sound crazy. She's been telling us about this person, Taylor, who's posted about a bad friend. I have several pictures of Taylor.  You should have several pictures of Taylor on Taylor. You're so annoying.  This person doesn't exist. But she's going all the way to Tampa to see Beyonce to hang with Taylor, her imaginary friend. What you need to do is go to Taylor Swift. That's what you need to do. That's what you need to go to Taylor Swift. I'm just saying, I went to Taylor, by the way. You saw Taylor?  The only person you can compare Taylor Swift to is Michael Jackson. There's nobody else. It is, you're doing a disrespect and a disservice to any other artist. If you compare Taylor Swift to that, I'm being honest with you. I know there's a lot of guys.   Come on, bro, come on. Oh, you think you're the only one that can rile? You think you're the only one that can rile? I can't tell you that, man. Taylor Swift was amazing though. Oh. I heard it's like a stage play.  It is the most amazing live concert I've ever seen. Really? It's not even close. The only person you can compare it to. And you've seen Beyoncé. Son, I've seen Beyoncé. No, you haven't. Ooh. I've seen Beyoncé. I've seen Beyoncé. But here's the thing. There's no question Beyoncé is a much better dancer. There's no question that. Much better singer. She's a much better singer. Beyoncé is a generational talent. A talent like Beyoncé does not come along. What I'm trying to say is, you're doing a disservice to Beyoncé to compare her to Taylor Swift. Because Taylor is in another galaxy. Yeah, all jokes aside. And I mean this, and this is going to hurt feelings here, but I don't even like comparing them because Beyoncé is, you get that once in a generation, maybe once in a century, you get a Beyoncé. Right? Absolutely.  It sucks we have to compare them. But she's not even. It's not even. Salute them all more. Taylor Swift would have put out. You don't realize when you sit there, I was a Taylor hater. I'm going there because my wife wants to go. And I'm like, I've been making fun of this girl for a decade. I've been hating on her. I felt like such a phony. Within one song, I'm standing up. I knew you were trouble when you walked in. Listen, salute to my boy Frosty, man. Frosty listened to the last episode of Brilliant News. And he texted me of a news report of how I said, Beyoncé's tour is going to gross $500 million. The highest grossing R&B tour ever. Say R&B, though. Make that loud. And I go make that loud. And I text them back. And I go, well, Taylor's estimated to gross $1.4 billion. They're saying Beyoncé's whole tour is going to be $500 million. But she's already at $400 million now. Like, show's done. I think it was within 22 shows, she was over $300 million. Number one highest grossing tour of the year so far. And Frosty's going back and forth with me. And I go, Frost. I want to be right about this, right?  And forget, forget, it's not even numbers. Like, you're looking at this tour, the person who does the stage. I read that article, too. The person who does the stage design is also the Taylor Swift stage design. The person that does the choreography. Bro, she's like generous. She is a new person on the tour. She takes a moment to shout them out. Hey, here's her new guitarist. Here's her new pianist. Give it up for them. Play the piano. Y'all horrors, bro. You and you, stop it. You didn't vote, y'all fell for it.  So. Beyonce shouts out people in the crowd, though. That's beautiful. Oh, Taylor got people in the crowd? She be shouting out people in the front. Like, shout out to Andrew. Bro, shout out to me, though. But Taylor gave $50 million in bonuses.  It's still 100,000 to your bus driver. 100,000 to the light guy. 100,000, like, I didn't realize it. I've been someone who's hated on Taylor. I went in there not thinking I was going to be blown away and it was spectacular. Now, this is something interesting, though, because they're saying, I read one report. I hate we have to compare them. It's unfair to Beyonce. You can't compare, the only person you can compare Taylor to is Michael Jackson. And I'm telling you, and if I'm being honest, it's Michael Jackson, there's the only person you can compare her to if you talk about hits. And I'm telling, listen, I don't want to do this, but we could do it. I don't want to do this, we could do it. You can't tell me Beyonce has the same amount of hits, no features as Taylor. She does, yes. She got, no, no, take away the features, you can't even name them. No, she does. Take away the features, you can't even name them. Beyonce don't have a lot of features, though. Take away the features, you can't name 10 Beyonce songs. What features, though? 10 Beyonce songs without the features, go. Wait, are you talking about no Destiny's Child? What do you mean by no features? No Destiny's Child, no Jay-Z, no Sean DePaul. Oh, okay. Yo, 10, oh, you mean with nobody? No features! Oh, that's nuts. Why are we acting like we don't know what features are? She got those, Love on Top, Single Ladies. Wait, wait, Single Ladies with Destiny's Child, right? No, that's her, Love on Top, Single Ladies, Rainy Alarm, Halo, it's a bunch of them. That's four, not a bunch. I mean, I can't... I'm just saying Taylor got four of 12 albums, no features. It's a bunch of them without features, though. What do you mean we don't know? I could play any Taylor song right now. You know, you don't even know. Hold up, they don't love me like I love you.  Yeah, that's right, that's right. Irreplaceable. These are not, these are great songs, but these are not shut down 100,000. Oh, yes they are. Yes they are. Yeah, listen, guys. You must not know about me. You must not know about me. But also, here's the interesting thing, right? They're saying Beyonce's tour, that one article came out sick. It's unfair to Beyonce with all her doing it. Why can't we just appreciate her in her greatness? Listen, they said one article said she's gonna make $500 million all together. But this New York Times article that came out two days ago said that Eras, which is Taylor's tour, could top $1 billion in sales, making it the first concert in history to cross that mark. But some estimates suggest that Beyonce's world tour could gross even more than that by the time it wraps in October. I don't know what's true and what's not true. I hope they both make all the money. I don't even care about it. I don't care about the money. What I'm saying is this poor girl, Taylor Swift, has received a million times more criticism than Beyonce. Who ever hates Beyonce? Beyonce is unanimously loved, appreciated, and adored. No, I agree with that, because I don't like Taylor now. And I have no reason to not like her. No reason to not like her. It is constant hate. And this girl- You know what I don't like? I don't like how she acts fake surprise at a war show. So here's the thing. You know you was going in. Here's the thing, here's the thing. I didn't like that either, and I specifically commented on it.  And I don't know, son, you know me. She walks out to the crowd and goes, oh my God! Yeah, come on. Y'all hear from me? Who else would we be here for, Taylor? Hands on my knees on my passion, bro. I was clapping like this at Taylor, bro. That's a happy hour. How do you act surprised at your own show that people are there to see you? Come on, show. Come on, show. You get caught up in it. I was caught up in it. It's a cult, bro. It's a cult. I was caught up in it. You never experienced something like this. 100,000 people. Bro, she said to the people at the top of the thing, jump off. 10,000 people would've jumped off right now.  Ooh, ooh, ooh!  What is the argument here, though? What are we arguing? Y'all arguing. I'm not arguing. You need to see Beyonce show. What I hate is that y'all even bring Beyonce into it. What I'm trying to say is y'all need to just compare Taylor Swift to Michael Jackson, and it's close. I just wanna let you know it's close. I just wanna let you know it's very close, bro. It's very, if you really do it back to back. That is crazy. If Taylor Swift could moonwalk, we wouldn't even talk about Michael Jackson.  If Taylor Swift could moonwalk, we wouldn't even talk about Michael Jackson.  Why do you do this? Look at that. You know what's kind of crazy, though? Michael was looking like Taylor Swift in his final form. Like, right before he passed away? Right before he passed away? Michael and Taylor had a lot of similarities. Because he knew who to go with. Because even Michael Jackson knew who to go with. Even Michael Jackson knew who the greatest of all time was. Greatest of all, Taylor. I haven't seen the show. Look at her going crazy. Look at these girls going crazy.  You have not. Beyonce shows her like this. Yeah, that's right. It doesn't make any guys. You do it, yes.  Gay dudes. Straight dudes. Dads. Children. Yo, let me ask you a question. At Beyonce shows, do they have 3,000 people outside the arena singing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a tailgate? Yo, Beyonce had to sell, at one of her shows, she had to sell listening-only seats. So you were paying like $300 just to hear. That's right. But by the way, what Beyonce and Taylor are doing for the economy, this is unbelievable. I hate that we compared them.  You're the one comparing her. I'm comparing her to Michael Jackson. Y'all keep bringing it to Beyonce. I said, Taylor, the only person you've compared to Michael Jackson, you're like, have you seen Beyonce? I'm not even bringing up Beyonce. I'm bringing up Michael Jackson and then R. Kelly. Why did that sound so funny? Only R. Kelly and Michael Jackson can be compared to Taylor Swift. Nah. And if rap was good live, which is not, it's the worst genre of music live, it would be Kanye West. No, Kanye shows are phenomenal. He's the only one. Drake show is great too, but it's so hard to make a rap show. I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. It's so hard. Kanye is the one who, you either have to be already physically. It's almost like, that's a great conversation. You know how there's certain comedians who are physical comedians? Yep. To me, DMX, Buster Rhymes. I was about to say that. DMX, Buster. For physical animated performers. Yeah, they can get you better. Like giving you a great show? Yeah, Kanye is by far. Bro, the. By far. Rap music is just the best to vibe to, vibe to, drive to.  It's amazing. But the concert, the way I look at it is if it don't work in karaoke, it's not going to work in a concert. So for example, when you see someone sing karaoke, if they got a great voice and they're singing, Britney Spears toxic, it don't matter. If they're singing Halo, it shuts the room down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Ain't nobody come to karaoke for Knees Week Spaghetti. Oh, so it needs to be, unless there's something there, right?  You know what I mean? Like something like, I get what you're saying. It's just a harder genre to communicate live. So it's Taylor, Michael Jackson. And Boosi is what you say. And Boosi. OK, OK. Wipe it down. Wipe it down. Come on. Because he's country, bro. He's so low down. Boosi is crunchy. Boosi was wild and saying R. Kelly could beat Michael Jackson in the verses, though. Like it's not even close. Like R. Kelly is a person who put out a lot of quantity, not a lot of quality, bro. That's a hot take. It's really not a hot take, man. You know, because there was a time after R. Kelly's, you know, scandal and everything happened, he was just working with any and everybody. Do you think he was putting out the songs too early? Like if you let the song in for a little bit more, you'd make the song sort of a bit better. Yes. I do. I actually do. I feel like he was just throwing too much music out. And it was just a little premature. I really do. I really, truly do. Should have let the song age a little bit. Yeah, why do they do that? Why are there some people that just can't help itself? But Michael's hits, man. Because to that point, Michael's hits are mature. Michael's hits have been around for a long time. Because when we talk about Michael and R. Kelly and a Versus, you talking about the Jackson 5. No, no features. We don't do features, bro. No, and Versus, you could do features. You could do features and Versus. Oh, we're talking about an actual Versus versus Versus. And Michael was the lead singer on a lot of those songs. And you talking about the Jackson 5. You talking about Off the Wall album. You talking about Thrilla. You talking about Bad. Versus, you can play songs you wrote and produce. Michael still smokes. Let's, bro, let's talk about R. Kelly wrote for a lot of people. Name a record R. Kelly got that on the level of don't stop till you get enough. Name a record R. Kelly wrote or did on the level of I want to rock with you. We went through this. We went through Michael Jackson's discography because we were having that conversation, the very normal conversation, Taylor and Michael. And the album Thriller alone. Is insane. And Off the Wall is better than Thriller. Off the Wall is crazy. What are we doing? Also, he has D side. We're not talking about B side. D side, random like butterflies. Just random. Remember the time. And Taylor still got him. That's how great Taylor is. Smooth, criminal, beat it.  You are not alone. You are. Man in the mirror, Billie Jean.  Come on, man. PYT. You don't even know the song because it's not Taylor.  I didn't know a lot.  Just look at why are you so upset at Taylor? Like, we did not.  No, no, no. She's just the closest. Yeah, and looks wise.  You know what I mean?  White whip. Come on, man. I don't know none of these songs. I do know Bad Blood. I know Bad Blood. I know Bad Blood. I knew you were trouble when you walked in. That's her most fire slap. That got to be her last song she done. Shake it off. Shake it off. Shake it off, fire. Shake it off. She got bangers. Shake it off, fire. Shake it off, fire. Come on, come on. Keep going. Keep going. Shake it off, fire. I don't know none of these songs, bro. I know Shake It Off. We are never, ever, ever getting back together. Fire, fire, fire. Absolutely crazy. Fire. Four song, crazy. Don't know any of those. See, that's four you just named, though. Well, let's just keep going. I just started listening to this girl for the first time last week. You know what I mean? Come on. What you did with all the songs? Come on, play one of them, man. Let's shake it off. Let's make Scooter some money. Play one of them. Got it, got it, Scooter. Bro, I'm telling you. I don't know none of these songs, bro. Cruel Summer, crazy. How does Cruel Summer go? It's a Cruel Summer. It's a Cruel Summer. We are never, ever, ever having a Cruel Summer. I knew you were cruel when you walked around. Cruel it off. Cruel it off. I'm telling you, this girl is unstoppable.  Taylor Swift is a beast.   You're not scrolling, bro. She's hating. We were scrolling all through, Beyonce. But by the way, man, Taylor Swift just has her audience, man.  Her audience is everyone. That's what it is. Bro, you were a Taylor fan. You just went through all them Taylor Swift songs. You loved them. You know what? I don't know if Taylor's audience is diverse as Beyonce. I don't know. I think Taylor has a strong Midwest, down South, following. I think Taylor's audience is a lot more white than Beyonce. That's true. I think Beyonce had her. I think personally Beyonce might have had a broader white audience before that Super Bowl performance she did that people said was anti-police. When she was actually anti-police brutality. But everybody was saying it was anti-police. I noticed a shift in how America looked at Beyonce after that. How did we look at her? I just think people were, yeah, people were, but that's why people at that level don't make those kind of stands. Too much to lose. It's too much to lose, right? You're everybody's artist at that point. Because if you look at some of the projects that Beyonce put out kind of after that, the Lion King soundtrack was cool. You know what I'm saying? It was great musically, but I don't think it's sold tremendous, which is kind of crazy, right? Because that's the Lion King. That's the Lion King and the Lion King soundtrack. I thought that would have did a lot better than it did. And then Renaissance came out. And Renaissance did a respectable 300, something, 1,000 in the first week. But then you look at somebody like Taylor, Taylor did a million in her first week. Adele did like a million in her first week. Taylor had that perfect storm, though, because she was doing the whole campaign to buy her Master's Day and remake all the songs. So basically it reintroduced even the young generation to even her old stuff. And so it was just a perfect storm. And that's why when you have a concert and now you're performing all your greatest hits and you're getting money from every single stream of people trying to catch up on those hits, it's a perfect storm. Well, that's why I think the Renaissance was so good for. You're saying she's the greatest of all time for that reason. Actually not. You can't even sing more than four of her songs. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. You know four. I knew you were gorgeous when you walked in. I think you knew more. You knew more of Michael Jackson than you do Taylor. Of course, Michael Jackson's the best Michael Jackson. It's Michael Jackson all the time.  I think Beyoncé is the closest thing to Michael. And I think that the Renaissance tour is the best thing for Beyoncé because people are being reminded of how fantastic she is. Who forgot though? I do think after that Superbowl performance, that one when she stood up against police brutality, I think that shifted things in America because even the way they would talk about her, like the way Fox News started to talk about her and a lot of the conservative started to talk about her. Oh, she became a political lightning raw. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that kind of made a lot of those white fans that was probably on Beyoncé fall back a little bit. You know what I'm saying? They might just be coming back around now. Yo, Beyoncé needs to get on that country wave. What was that country song she had? Did she have a country song? Which one? Country is really doing it right now. Oh, no, they're killing. Country is like the top five songs in the country. Country is? What's Taylor's fan base cause? Swiffer's or something? Yo, you are really a hater. I'm not. You are really a hater.  Swifty's. Who do you think has a bigger fan base? Oh, Taylor. Come on, Taylor. It's not close. No, I'm just saying, like, rallying around her, though. Because Beyoncé got the B-Hive. They don't play. No, they definitely are better with her. That's social media. B-Hive is social media. Yeah. B-Hive is social media. I mean, listen, man, we're talking about numbers. That bunny might be the most. Pull up album sales. Pull up Taylor Swift album sales. I think she sold like $75 million worldwide. I don't want this to happen. I don't want us to do this to Beyoncé. It's unfair. If you're comparing her to Michael Jackson, that's a fine comparison.  In terms of? Album sales, anything. Mike, that's not right. That's one album. Go Taylor Swift total album sales. I am here with you. Michael, 114 million units. Taylor Swift is sold. Now go to Beyoncé total album sales. And this is just Beyoncé as a solo artist. It's not even Counting Destiny's Child. She has 171 million in the United States. She's amazing. Man, that's just in the US. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it, except for Taylor and Michael Jackson. Those are the only things that I would say are like it. Can we say just Taylor has her own, like, because Taylor, and I know I'm wrong in saying this, Taylor feels like a state. Beyoncé feels like a planet. I don't understand what you're saying. Taylor feels like, even though I know I'm wrong about this. It is, that's what I'm saying. But that's how it feels, right? It feels like Beyoncé is her own world. What is Michael Jackson, a city? Are we just getting the greater, the smaller we go, the greater we get? Michael Jackson is a universe. Michael Jackson is a universe. Like, seriously, all of these people exist in Michael Jackson's universe in some way, shape, or form. OK, then Michael Jackson's universe, Taylor is a galaxy, and then Beyoncé is a planet. Taylor feels like a state. Taylor feels like Oklahoma. And I know I'm wrong with that. Yes, you are wrong. OK, what's the biggest state? Texas? Yeah, Texas, OK. Taylor's the biggest state. Alaska, right? My, whatever. OK, so Taylor feels, she feels like Alaska, even though I know I'm wrong. Yeah, yeah, you are wrong. She feels like Alaska. She don't feel like she have her own world. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. Beyoncé has her own planet. Probably even her own galaxy.  I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. OK, OK, OK. OK. Michael Jackson's universe, Beyoncé's galaxy, Taylor's planet. No. Pluto. She's Pluto. No. Could be a planet, might not be a planet. It's like, it's crazy what you're doing right now. What? It's really crazy what you're doing right now because you're trying to take away the success and greatness of arguably the greatest artist of all time. I mean, what's the greatest of artists of all time? Taylor's there, bro.  No. We don't want to have that discussion. We don't want to have that conversation. We don't want to have that conversation. No. Scooter writes her music. He owns it. Own and write are very different.  Owner and writer are very different. Owner and writer are very different. She writes all her own music, so we don't want to have that conversation about greatest artists of all time. We don't want to have that conversation. We do not want to have the conversation of writing their own songs, and that's what makes a great artist. We're not talking about the greatest performer of all time. There's no way Taylor writes all her music. If we're talking about all of it. No, no, no. All of it. Nobody really writes their own music. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Nobody really writes all of it. Michael Jackson didn't even write his own music. He didn't. No, no, no. He didn't. That's why I'm trying to say, if we want to have the conversation of greatest artists of all time, and I know that we don't want to have this conversation, it's Taylor motherfucking sweat. Taylor might write her own music. That's why all her songs sound the same. Oh, now we hate him. I knew you could shake it off. Shake it off. To the left, to the left, to the halo, to the halo. To the lemonade, to the lemonade. This guy is great at lemonade, to the lemonade. Right, come on, this is every song is the same. Every song is the same. You must not know about lemonade. You must not know about lemonade. That's it. What I'm trying to say is, if we want to talk about greatest artists of all time, and they got to write their songs, because if they don't have to write their songs, put Frank Sinatra in there.  Yes, Taylor Swift is written and is credited as a songwriter on all of her songs. That don't mean she wrote them all. That means she just wrote some words. Oh, I know y'all not going to do this. You just saying it. I know y'all not going to be Beyonce Taylor. I know y'all not going to be Beyonce Taylor. I know y'all not going to be Beyonce Taylor. It says she has also collaborated. I know y'all not going to be Beyonce Taylor. She's co-written with many other songwriters. I know y'all not going to be Beyonce Taylor. Big Ed Sheeran, baby. I know we not going to do this. Jack Jackanoff. What's his name?   Jack Jackanoff. Jack Jackanoff. That's Jack Jackanoff. Jack Jackanoff. She do got a lot of writers though. No, she has collaborated with them. She writes all the albums. Y'all know she writes all the albums.  Y'all trying to hate. Y'all trying to save. It does save more than 60 songs. Credit her as a soul writer. Show me 60 Beyonce songs that were soul writers. Soul writer. You might pull it up, Taylor.  Pull it up, Taylor. Pull it up, Taylor. Soul writer. Pull it up, Taylor. You do not want to pull this up. You do not want to pull this up. Why don't we have to be right? Have you not listened to this father? Charlotte is a secret mole in my case. He's a mole for Taylor.  Yes, by and large, Beyonce writes all her own songs. She is credited as the lead songwriter on each of her songs on these tracks. Lead is not solo. She's credited as a solo. Lead is not solo. She's credited as writing all the songs on Lemonade too. But as we've mentioned, some of her biggest hits have been co-written with up to 25 other people. Same thing as Taylor. Same thing as Taylor? You wanted the greatest liars in history. You really wanted the greatest liars in history. That's the second time I heard this today. She's the one who said that to me earlier. You wanted the greatest liars in history. She's the one who said that to me today. You wanted the greatest liars in history. You're one of the greatest liars ever, and everybody knows that you know that's what they say about you. Goddamn it. Joe Coy gone for the jungle. Oh, because I haven't been to one of his shows yet.  Hey, Joe, it took him damn near 14 years before he came to one of them. Not true. I went to Caroline's. Oh, yeah, I went to Caroline's. Then you had a little hiatus. You had a little hiatus. But it's OK. I saw you. I needed to see you. When I saw you at Caroline's, I said, yo, Andrew's one of the best. Next thing I know, you're doing Radio City. It made sense to me. Great. One of the greatest liars. Thanks for proving my point. All I'm saying is, if we're talking about one of the greatest singers, dancers, performers of all time. Beyoncé. Right? Listen, Beyoncé. If you want to talk about one of the greatest performers of all time, Elvis. You want to talk about one of the greatest performers? Never saw Elvis. Felt like he was old. I think we can argue he's pretty damn good. Felt like he was overrated. Michael Jackson, nobody comes close. That's right. Prince. Jesus. We're not even talking about Prince. I will say, I'll just. Oh, no, no, no. Playing all the instruments. Oh, by the way. Why are we not even mentioning? By the way, we don't talk about this enough. Prince, Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. The best musical artist ever. What about Ray Charles? Ever. Ray Charles? Stevie Wonder and Prince are the best musical artists of any genre ever. We're saying, but a musical artist means you have to write. They write. They produce. They play instruments. Everything. Stevie and Mike, Stevie and Prince do everything. Yeah, but they don't got the bops Taylor has. That's the problem. I put Ray Charles in that. They don't have the amount of bops. Ray Charles plays everything and he writes. No disrespect. Hey, listen, no disrespect to Prince. But I think Prince is kind of like a Carl Malone in that, like, we just needed somebody to give credit to outside of Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was so dominant that there was just a couple years later, it was like, all right, just give someone else the MVP. Give it to Carl Malone. Nah. It's more LeBron and Steph. Prince is not in the same. It's more LeBron and Steph, yo. He's not in the same ballpark as Michael Jackson. Yes, he is, bro. I'm sorry. It's not. No, yes, he is. Put the bops up. Yeah, I know. Put the bops up. Name one besides. Little red carpet. Purple rain. Pull up Prince on. Prince got a million. That's why I got Google. Not for you, but your name. If it ain't up here, it ain't up there. No, that's not true. If it ain't up here, it ain't up there. That's not true. Diamonds and pearls. Purple rain. Little red Corvette. You just named two, I just said. Huh? Nah. Stop. Oh, when Doves cries, that should have been top of mind. Yes, kiss. You got the look. Rap. Oh, raspberry beret. Come on, man. Raspberry beret. Adore? Like, yo, Prince got bops, man. Like, stop. No, no, he got bops. But it's not messing with Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, we can all sit here right now and name 30 songs right now. No problem. 30. 30. It's like, ugh. 30. I put you on Michael. But we're not going to act like we're not going to say. You don't compare four maybes? No, no. We're talking about raspberry berets. You can't say Prince.   Nah, nah, nah.     I'm saying, Prince is calling him alone. He's not calling him alone, man. He's calling him alone, man. So who is Stevie Wonder then? Because Stevie? Helen Keller. Wrote for Michael? Stop. Because she's the greatest blind ever. That's the greatest blind ever. I'm sure to say Stevie can't see nothing. Stevie's third, yo. Stevie can't see Prince, oh my god.    The reason Prince isn't celebrated the way he is, the reason James Brown isn't celebrated the way they are, because there were things that trumped their death. When Michael Jackson died, the world stopped. Stopped. Stopped. Poper roll, Poper roll. Sadly, when somebody passes, by the way, amazing. Poper roll, you know what I mean? You didn't get it. Poper roll, right? I got that colonoscopy. That colonoscopy. That Poper roll. And that colonoscopy, oh my god. And the doctors will tell you this is the stuff that Michael Jackson was using. Soon as you wake up, you're like, I can see. I get it. I get it all the way. I get it all the way. But the crazy thing about Prince, Prince died. Well, let's start with James Brown. James Brown died on Christmas. Not beating Christmas. Yo, James Brown. Because James, we should be having these conversations. James should be in these conversations. Yo, James Brown might be the greatest ever, because he ain't even have words. Imagine being able to make songs that impactful, that don't even got words. Imagine how musical you got to be. Think about that. He was the first rapper. He definitely was the first rapper. No, he was. My daddy used to always say, my daddy used to be like, James Brown is the first rapper. I'm a hand. Hey, man. You know what I mean? And James was the inspiration for all of these people. Let's be clear on that. Who? All of them. Michael Jackson's, all of them. Come on, yo. You can't compare James Brown and Michael Jackson's time. Well, there's different eras, right? That's like comparing Dr. J to Michael Jordan. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's literally like Michael Jordan. Chris, you want to say something? I was going to add Diana Ross to that, too.  Diana's up there, too.  Do the math. Do the math. Do the math.  Do the math.  Diana was a beast, yo. No. I don't think she was as good a performer. Get out of here. Because she didn't dance. What's one Diana Ross song? Come on, bro. I want to dance with somebody. I'm coming out. Diana created the anthem of all kinds of anthems. I'm coming out. Come on, man. I want the world to know. Come on, man. Diana's different. What's another one after that?  Look at James, bro. Look at James. James looks like a mop. James left it all on the stage. Come on. James left it all on the stage, man. He really did. Now, let's go to Prince. When did Prince die? When? Prince died April 22, 2016. Pull it up. Let me make sure I'm right, Taylor. Pull it up. Let me touch myself. Pull it up. That sounded like James Brown. Come on, let me touch myself. Prince.  Oh, April 21st. You're right, April 21st. OK, the reason I said the 22nd, because on April 21st, Breakfast Club pre-records all of its interviews. Breakfast Club did an interview with a guy by the name of Birdman on April 21st, 2016. I remember doing the MTV Upfronts. I was hosting or something that night, and the news came that Prince died. MTV immediately changed all their programming on the network. Changed all the programming at the Upfronts. I remember thinking to myself the next day, damn. Should we even play Birdman? Nobody's even going to care about the Birdman. And then what happened?  Nobody remembers Prince again. Nobody remembered God's name.   The person who y'all should have been putting respect on Prince's name that weekend. Because it was a weekend. It was a Thursday. April 21st was a Thursday. Friday was April 22nd. We played a Birdman all weekend. It was Birdman, Birdman, Birdman Mania. Y'all should have been putting some respect on Prince's name. So my point with saying all of that is, people do remember how you go. And a lot of times. Because of you. You really did ruin his legacy. That is not true. But there is something to that though, right? Yeah, you ruined it. But also, it was ruinable. I'm telling you, that interview on The Breakfast Club is not going viral on Michael Jackson's death day. It's not. It's not.  But you knew deep down, Carl Malone died. You knew deep down, the mailman not delivering today. I was shocked by that one. I thought Prince was going to be the one. I thought Prince was one of those ones that would stop the world. I'm not going to lie. I really did. And then remember, I remember after Prince passed away, we had a debate about who could stop the world. What's the next line? If they passed away. No, you're not. Nah, we got to look at the story on top. You are not a lone lyric. You are not a lone. I am here with you. Though we're far apart. Shake it off. What? I can't. What? What? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You are not a lone lyric. That ain't the one thing. The one thing that makes you cry is being in the mirror. Oh, no, it's though I am here with you. Every day. Though you're far away, I am here to stay. But you are not alone. I am here with you. Though we're far apart. You're always in my heart. But you are not alone. You are not alone, alone, alone, alone. You know what you should have went to go see? Michael Jackson on Broadway. I saw it. Oh, you did see it. He talked about that fine-ass little Dominican. Miles Frost. God, was that his name? He's Dominican? Huh? Miles ain't Dominican. That light-skinned one. He looked Cuban or something. Damn, would you want to frost his tips? Goddamn. I couldn't even go forward on that one. Miles, I'll frost his tips. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints. Salute to Miles Frost. Oh, my God. What's the one that makes you cry? Oh, man in the mirror. Pull up, man in the mirror, Taylor. Michael Jackson. This right here, I'm telling you, if you ever want to cry for any reason, this one right here.  Michael Jackson, man in the mirror. Come on now. I'm going to make a change for what's in my life. It's going to feel real good. Going to make a difference. Going to make it right. As I turn up the collar on, my favorite winter coat. This wind is blowing my mind. I see the kids in the streets. We're not enough to eat. Who am I? You took a TV one. Tending not to see the head knees. A summer's disregard, a broken bottle top. They don't want to know each other on the wind, you know. Because they got a better place to take a look at yourself and then make a change. God damn, man. Ain't one Prince song make you do that, though. There ain't one Prince song that make you do that. Diamonds and pros. Diamonds and pros don't make me do that, but diamonds and pros is close. Diamonds and pros. I don't even know the words to that song. Come on, man. Pull up diamonds and pros, because I don't know what I mean.  I just know Prince ain't Carl Malone. Carl Malone was fantastic. He was great. No, he was. He won the MVP over Michael Jordan, even though he shouldn't have, and that's Prince. We don't talk about Carl Malone having a white savior enough. What does that mean?  What does that mean?  John Stockton was absolutely Carl Malone's white savior.  Do you think that he was the real blindside? Do you think Stockton adopted Carl Malone? Ooh. Ooh. You also heard the drama about that blindside. Oh, I definitely did.   And I said, oh, this is some cuckolding going on. He fucked. I always felt like he was just in there laying it down on that wife. Oh, 100%. I always felt that. Oh, 100%. And what makes it even crazier is the fact that he wasn't even legally adopted. How did that happen? I didn't know that. Yes. They did a conservatorship instead of adoption. Why did they do that? That's what I want to know. How does that work? They saw the vision and was like, we need to control your fund. Oh, so ever. But I thought you had to have legal guardianship with somebody to have a conservatorship. Conservatives, whatever. Yeah, I think you do. That's what I'm saying. He wasn't legally adopted.  Man. But hold on real quick. Does anybody know how this song sounds? I know the hook, Diamonds and Pearls. Do you want to be a boy or a girl? You wrote out that. You would. That's really it. That's why he said it. Look, look, look.  No, that's not it. He goes, if I gave you Diamonds and Pearls, would you be a happy boy or a girl? If I could, I would give you the world. Diamonds and Pearls slaps, bro. No. Anyway, go to either Ray Charles. If you really want to get emotional, we've got to go Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. Or Jelly Roll Saved Me. Oh my god. Jelly Roll Saved Me is guaranteed. What does Jelly Roll Saved Me? You haven't played this song right now. Oh my god.  What is that about? Get his cholesterol down. I do it. What is that? It's a look to my god, Jelly Roll. What is that about, man? What did it save me about, man? I mean, it's about saving the buck from living that. It's an amazing song. I like Jelly Roll. You got good energy. I mean, I just made it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got the sound? Yeah, play it. She got 188 million views? Didn't even know if he was going to put it on the album. Look at the top column. I was not expecting that. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. How y'all been keeping this from me?  Always. I'm in no bro. All right, there's Jelly Roll. Salute to goddamn Jelly Roll.    I can be drunk. It got a John Merrill waiting on the world to change type energy to it. Yeah, but.  I thought Jelly Roll wrapped. He did, but now he's also singing. He's doing rock country. Like he's just so musical. What I love about that is he was dead serious about everything he said in that song because he didn't make any lifestyle changes after that record. Yeah. None. Clearly. He has a little bit. He did? Yeah, yeah. He's getting into it. He's getting after it now. Really? Good Jelly Roll because we need you around, brother.  That's beautiful. That was a beautiful song. Who knew that out of all of these legends we were talking about, Jelly Roll was going to shut it down. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Let's pay some bills, man. All right, let's take a break, man. And I got to talk to you about Elevate. Elevate you, salute to my guy, Steve Harvey, man. I got to tell you about something that's been keeping all of us feeling fresh, healthy, and energized lately. It's Elevate You, Vitality Daily Greens, co-founded by my OG, Big Unk, Steve Harvey, and formulated by Harvard Scientist. Okay, this game-changing formula, Bushia Bodies, mitochondrial production, providing you with sustained energy throughout the day. No more relying on coffee or unhealthy energy drinks to get you going. 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And just check out all the new podcasts that we got on blackeffect.com. Not even just the new podcast, the OG podcast that have been rocking with us for the last three years as well. Okay? Okay. Let's get back to the show. What else we got? Bro, there's a lot of tings happening right now. Talk to me, man. Talk to me, man. It's a lot of tings. Give me some tings. We have this Canelo-Charlo fight. Maybe I'm missing something. Was this... Was Charlo... Did Charlo... Yeah, I don't know, like... You were saying Steve thinks that Charlo's going to win? I just can't fathom Canelo's losing to anybody when he's coming down and wait. I just can't... Well, actually, no, no, no, he's going... Charlo went up two-way classes. Where are they fighting at? What, wait? 168? 160-something. 168 is two-way classes because Charlo fights at what, 154? Yeah, he went up two-way classes. 160-something. Look that up, Taylor. If they're fighting at 160... Now, 168's too big. There's no way. Nah, he went up two-way classes. Charlo's coming all the way up to 168. Yeah, he went up two-way classes because you remember Charlo's been hurt. Charlo hurt his hand. He hasn't fought since May of 2022 because he hurt his hand.  So that's a big-money fight, you know what I mean? You got to take it. If you're Charlo, you got to take it. That's why they're actually stripping him. I think the WBO is stripping him on one of his belts because he's going up to fight Charlo and he's got a mandatory with that dude Tim... Tim Zoo. Tim Zoo? Yeah. Costa Zoo's son. Yeah. Do you remember Costa Zoo fought Zab Judah and knocked out Zab Judah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember Zab Judah got knocked out and he had the legs that... His brain was in, his upper body was in, but he had the legs that weren't there. That was Costa Zoo. So Costa Zoo's son Tim Zoo is now, I think, like 140 or like 147? 147. He's at 147. Yeah, yeah. He's going to get the WBO belt, the welterweight belt. Jermel...  Not ducking, but not wanting to fight the mandatory to go get the money. Because he's definitely not... Don't get the money, my dude. And I'm going to tell you what I like about Jermel. We had Jermel on Breakfast Club. Jermel's like, look, I'm going to fight Canelo and then I'm going to go back down to fight Bud at 154.   Coming down and way to stuff. You know what I'm saying? Because you're adding on all that muscle. Like, remember how tricky that was for Roy Jones? He came up to fight Ruiz. And then he came back down and got knocked out. Well, no, he came back down and I think he beat Tarver in a tough fight. I thought Tarver knocked him out. It was a decision. No. I thought Tarver knocked him out. No, I think he came back down, he beat Tarver in like a really tough fight. I thought when he came back down, he got knocked out. No, and then they fought again. And he got knocked out? And that's when he knocked out. Yeah. So, but it was really tough for him to cut. You add all that muscle. That muscle don't go away quick. Yeah, man. And Canelo said, there's no way he fighting. He coming down to fight Bud. He said, we had Canelo on Breakfast Club too. We had both in the morning this morning. What? Yeah. I was talking to Canelo. Way better than it used to be. Tell me about this. What was it? When Canelo first came to the Breakfast Club, he had a translator. You know what I'm saying? Like, now he don't need it. Like, he's sitting down and we're actually having a conversation. He understands things that we're talking about.  What'd he say? He said, he said he'd fight Bud at 168. He said there's no way he could come down to 154. He hates coming. He said he just can't do it no more. Yeah.  You know? So, he said he fight him at 168. And I mean, honestly, man, there's really nothing for Bud to do except for Rematch Earl. Spinch at this point. Nobody want to see that. But there's nothing. It's not there for him. Like, what else is there for him?  But he wants to fight Charlo so he can become three-time undisputed champion. You know what I mean? Why, is Charlo undisputed right now? Charlo's undisputed. At 154. At 154. But they're about to take his, they're taking the WBO belt from him. So, Tim Zhu, I think is getting that. Yeah. And then Charlo will have three belts. So, I don't know. Maybe, maybe if Bud wants to fight Sue. Perfect, right? Get the belt. Exactly. And then Charlo got to come back down to fight Bud to try to become undisputed again, you know? And then he's three-time undisputed and people will tune in for that. If he beats Bud? Yeah, that's a good fight. Yeah. You know, low-key, Bud's got us caring about belts again. There was a long time in boxing where belts didn't matter at all. Yeah.  Yeah. Did you ever pull up the wait, Taylor? But wait, tell me about Canelo. You never said what he was talking about. Like, what's... Canelo was cool, man.  Really? Yeah. How do you say that? Shout out to Mexicans, bro. You know they ain't stopping that. He said some people, like, a month or two months, he said all he needed is a week. Okay. And how do you say it? How do you ask him? I just asked him.  He goes a week. The beautiful thing about Canelo, being that, like, he doesn't... He's just, I guess, learning how to speak English well, all his answers are scraping to the point. Quit. Do you think Oscar De La Hoya is a good person? No. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's just very, like... You don't know how to be political. No! Yeah. He's just really to the point, like, no. No. You know? But it was... I mean, it was good to wear him both of them tomorrow. No, I'm looking for the weight. I know he's 154, but what are him and Canelo fighting at? I think it's, like, 160... 160-something. Just do boxer, Jamel, child versus... Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez. Catchweight. Huh? 168. 168. Wow. And then the fight is September 30th? September 30th. But, you know, what I think I noticed today about Jamel, Charlo, is that he probably walks around that size anyway. And Canelo's not a big 168. No. He probably walks around around 168. So they're both overblown 154s. Like, I think Canelo starts his career at 154. If I'm not mistaken. He fought Floyd at 152? Or was that 148? I don't remember. No, no, no, 152. 152? Yeah, maybe it was 154. Or maybe it was 150 or something like that. Not like Canelo, man. Canelo was a true champion. You know what I mean? And he said, he's tired of people saying he's ducking Benavides.  Exactly, yeah. It was like, they always tell me I'm ducking somebody until I get in the ring and beat them. The guy fought a light heavyweight, man. Bro, it's... And was getting banged on and was in there banging. Canelo ain't ducking nobody. Canelo is the guy. He's the A side. He knows he's the A side. Everybody wants to fight Canelo Alvarez because they know it's a big money fight.  Yeah, 100. You know? What else we got, Taylor Gang? They putting Trump behind bars or what? I told you. Nah, they ain't getting them. I called this one. They ain't getting them.   Right? I knew he was going to get locked up. Then there was a part. There was a period where I was like, nah, it's not happening. Yo, he's been averaging one indictment a month for the past four months. He's like Kodak Black. Kodak got the same... Nah, bro. And now he's got 91 criminal charges. Fannie Mae Willis. I don't even know if her name is Fannie Mae, because she don't play. Fannie Mae Willis.  And now she just hit Old Thug and goddamn OCL with the Rico. Old Caucasian life, different, bro. She hit Giuliani. She hit his lawyer. Like, she hit 19 people, yo. She better hope it sticks, bro, because if it doesn't stick, it's guaranteed presidency. Rico's easier to prosecute. I have a theory about that now.  Here's the thing about the presidency. And I want everybody in MAGA to understand this. I want all Republicans to understand this. No matter how much you love the guy, it's time to move on. It's time to move on. It's too much of a distraction. He's too funny. He's facing 91 criminal charges. There's a lot of different people running for president. Republicans, we already know how y'all get down. Y'all all going to follow the leader regardless. Y'all are way, y'all are more unified than Democrats will ever be. It does not matter who is on your ticket, as long as y'all get behind that person and vote for him. You already know all of y'all are going to always fall in line with each other. It's time to move on from Donald Trump, y'all. Why? It's just too much at this point. Why? Because think about it, right? There's not an industry in America Donald Trump could be in be facing 91 criminal charges and still have a job. You know what I'm saying? They would either suspended them, distanced themselves from them, fired them all together. There's got to be some type of standard for running for president of the United States of America, bro. Innocent to approve and guilty, my man. I'm with you, so let's put them on ice. You know what I mean?   You know what I'm saying? But next year? Nah, bro. It's too much of a distraction. How you going to have Trump on the debate stage? You know what I mean? Like there's certain things not even Trump is good enough. We love distraction, my boy. We love distraction.  Well, the problem is that they don't have anybody. So it's like DeSantis, all the Republicans start to get in line with DeSantis and then he had his Howard Dean moment where he just continues to look like a goofy goober. So it don't have to be DeSantis. Donald Trump is behind. And who is there?   Well, charismatic Republican president. Yes. George Bush was a... No, he wasn't. He was just goofy. No, he was a goofball. He wasn't genuinely charismatic, funny. In a... In a... In a... In a lick your elbows kind of way. In a... In a Timmy... Stop licking the window kind of way. You know what I'm saying? It worked, though. It worked. I don't think... I just think Republicans are that strong of a force that no matter who is the GOP candidate, they can get behind. No, that's also true. I'm just saying they need someone with charisma to get behind. And right now... Not against Biden. Well, outside of Trump, who can do it? I think anyone... DeSantis just... DeSantis... DeSantis is too... He's proven himself to be Trump-like. People don't want that right now. No, that's not the issue. I think that he's just too goofy as a person. People love his policies. Conservatives love his policies. And then there's Democrats that are like, I kind of like this guy's policies. And I like the fact that he's not just trying to be as salacious as Trump and just saying all these outlandish things. I like the fact... He kind of is, though. He is, though.  Yes, they do. Like banning books in Florida? They do. I don't think that's a national issue people care about. They do, they do. But it doesn't matter. The LGBT stuff, I think if he was to attack that more with religion, I think he'd have a better shot throughout the country. I'm not saying that there are people that are right, but there are tons of people that feel very strongly about that. So... I think Mike Pence could be... Get out of here. That guy's a fucking... So his biggest opposition is Ron Sanchez.  He's... What's the jelly roll?  What's the jelly roll, man? Chris Christie. Chris Christie. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Christie could do it if he wasn't fat. He doesn't look it. He doesn't look presidential. It's the reality. It doesn't matter. He just doesn't look presidential. Right. If he come out there and sing, don't save me. If he come out there... He said save me. Save me. Save me, oh man. Save me from myself. Listen, I think there's a plenty of Republican candidates. I've been E-in and E-in and E-in. They could get behind Tim Scott if they wanted to. There's nothing left on the shelf. They could get behind Tim Scott if they wanted to. That was hard. That was hard. They could get behind Tim Scott if they wanted to. I'm just saying that I just think it's time. I don't think Tim Scott will do it, but the sleeper ticket... No, Scott is running. Let me get out. I don't think Tim Scott will do it, but the sleeper ticket is Trump and Tim Scott. Nah, man. I'm just telling you, if Trump and Tim Scott are on the same ticket... It's time to back away from Trump. I don't think they'll get behind that Indian dude, I forgot his name. Oh, Ron. Vavik. Vavik. Yeah, Vavik. Yeah, we had him on breakfast club. What'd you think about it? You know...  You know what I'm saying? What do you mean? One thing in particular is that he just started voting when he was 30-something years old. So he wasn't even in the process. So you just started voting but yet you want to, you know, create legislation that makes it more difficult for people to vote. Like, you want people to pass some type of civics test. You know what I'm saying? In order to know how to vote and you just started voting at 30-something years old, it's like, come on, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, come on, bro. You know? And I always feel kind of like leery about people like him who are anti-affirmative action when we know that his parents benefited from affirmative action. You know what I'm saying? It's just strange, you know? I'm happy he came on the show. I'm glad, you know. Listen, I'm open to talking to anybody, you know? And we actually do have a lot more Republican candidates coming like Larry Elders coming. You can make the argument that his kids might be hurt by affirmative action. I would think. No, no. Affirmative action hurts his kids and that helps his kids. Oh. Because he's privileged. Not only is he privileged, but like, for example, Asian students, they get like a 1600 on the SATs, they don't get into Harvard because Harvard's keeping spaces open for people who will do worse and because of affirmative action. Yeah. So let's say Harvard lets in these Native Americans that are getting a 1130 on the SAT because they're like, hey, we need to even some stuff out because of affirmative action.  It's hurting me. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. But they got to do away with the legacy. Legacy kids. But the legacy kids ain't number white affirmative action. Yeah. Yeah. What makes Christie run?  When the Krispy Kreme light turns on that fucking, when the hot light, when the hot light turns on that Krispy Kreme. Why doesn't he just get on the Zempik, bro?  It don't work for everybody. I had a, Chris Christie, right? If I was running his campaign, I'd say, Chris, this is what you have to do. From now until next year, people have to see you get in shape. You can't just say run, Christie run. You have to say America, we need to get in shape. Like you have to use you as an example of America. Yeah. And you got to take a picture shirtless and say, this is America now. Yeah. You know, this is where we are. You know what I mean? But on my campaign trail, I'm going to whip us in the shape and as you're on the campaign trail, they see you getting in the shape. I like that.  I like that. You know what I mean? I like that a lot. But people need to see you getting in shape. So by, what's it, we're in August now, by August of next year, motherfuckers start seeing like, damn, Chris Christie really lost some weight. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's got to do it. He's got to do it. Because he is the charisma. He is the charisma to do it. And the experience. I'm not sure about his policy. He's just so anti-Trump. He's been coming at Trump any chance he can get. So it's like, he used to be on trunks.  But after they went at each other, now he's like, every chance he gets, he tries the best Trump. So now the Trump people won't.  That's how he dresses, bro.   He looks like, he looks like I can buy him out of IKEA. Yeah. He looks like four different versions of one motherfucker, yo. Yeah. Like, what the f- Oh my God. Doesn't he look like all the townspeople couldn't put him back together? He dumped, he dumped, he fell off the wall. He does look like that, man. See, I can't fool for nobody like that. So he got to get it, you know? You got to get it chopped down. Yeah, man. If you can't look down and see your dick, how are you going to see the rest of the country? You can't. You know what I'm saying? You can't. No, no, no, no. But yeah, I just think that the Republican party has, it's time to move away from Trump. Let Trump go handle it in business like your Trump.  Like this is ridiculous. I ain't never seen somebody have 91 criminal charges. I've never seen that in my life. Yeah. For anybody? Yeah. 91? A significant amount. What do you think, Chris? I think he's obviously guilty, but I'm very concerned. They won't stick.  And it'll come out of it stronger. It's not. It's gonna stick. You don't think so? I think it's... The feds don't make mistakes like that, though. When do you ever see the fed? They got a 99% conviction rate. This is the 1%. I mean, to me, it's almost irrelevant because it's broke. We've broken the system, and there's no putting it back together again. It is.  If he goes to jail, but his supporters are never gonna believe it anyway. So we let this guy into the system, and we're gonna realize in about two or three years what a nice system we had.  Oh, we needed to reset the board. We're gonna see... Actually, we had it pretty good. Here's the thing. If you're a person that believes all of this is politically driven and politically motivated, you're probably right. But the reality is, if he didn't give them anything to latch on to, we wouldn't be in this situation. That's how you know President Barack Obama had to be one of the most law-abiding citizens ever. Ever. Like... Like, apparently gay, allegedly, right? But wait, wait, wait. Not allegedly. He wrote a letter saying he dreams about it. He didn't say it like that.  He actually said it better than that. What he said? Pull it up. He actually said it better than that. You making it sound nasty. What he said? He wants to make love with that. He wants to make love with that.   Peace, Taylor Gang.  Okay? Peace, Taylor Gang. All right. All right? Have fun. Enjoy. Okay. Let's see. What did he say? Why isn't this more of a story? He said, I will love men from this life to the next. He's, yeah. Former president Barack Obama wrote of his own androgynous mind and making love to men daily, but in the imagination, according to the redacted portion of a now notorious 1982 letter obtained by the Post.   But the fact that this girl let that letter go, like, that should be like, you should go to jail for that. That should be like sharing nudes. Yeah, it's like revenge porn. That's revenge porn. This is actually worse than revenge. Why was it redacted? Now that they have no more use for Barack, they're like, okay, let that letter go. Oh my God, man. That's the most fucked up thing about this whole thing, is they're like, okay, we don't need Barack anymore, so now we'll bury him. No.  No, no, no. That's not what this is. Why is it not redacted anymore? No, I'm gonna tell you what this is. Oh. The story of a girl who cried a river and drowned the whole world. This is, this is, all bets are off for everybody. Nobody's protected anymore. Ooh. Trump got 91 charges. He got four indictments.  Interesting, interesting. Now it's all bets off. It's like, oh, we not protecting each other no more? There's no presidential oath? Like, like. But why would the Democrats who are empowered due to themselves, like, why would you tarnish I don't know if that came from Democrats. Did that come from Democrats? I'm assuming the they who's in control of redacting documents has now all of a sudden unredacted it. Well. Like, you know what you're doing. If you redacted it for a reason, which they did, why would you remove the redaction at any point in time? I could be mistaken, but I think it was the guy who wrote his biography. So this was something when he was doing his research for the book, he came across this. I thought this was a letter he wrote though. Yeah, he was doing his research to write the biography. And so he saw this. He didn't include it in the book at the time.  I think that this is all bets off. No presidents are protected anymore.  It's weird.  And you know what's so interesting about this one? This is an old rumor.  Like we've always heard these rumors about Barack Obama. You never saw those articles? About the birth certificate? No, like they were talking about this during his first campaign or the second campaign. Google it, Google Barack. The craziest rumor right now is, you know the craziest rumor, right? Hold on. Look at this article right here. Hold on a second. You know the craziest rumor, right? What? You don't know the craziest rumor? Look, what? That there's no pictures of Michelle Obama pregnant? Oh, that's old. That's old too. You know about Big Mike? Yeah, that's old. All of these are old. Look, this is 2012. What's behind the rights?  That was 2012. AI, son. Tea party. Tea party. AI, son.  Like they, all of that, all of these are old. So it's, the tea party was right?  But they're not really conspiracies. These are things that clearly somebody knew.  And you about to hear more. You think?   We've been known that they've been protecting Hunter Biden the whole time. They're protecting Joe Biden the whole time. Nah, it's over, bro. Protection. Put it like this. There still is going to be media protection, but all of these stories are coming out. You about to start a hands-on.  What do you think is behind this? Who is the most, whoever the power is going to be? Not you. Damn. You think they know?  Who am I?   Who am I? P.D. China motherfucker? They're not me. What do you mean? Remember, I'm not pro-China. No, but you are Chinese. All right, fair enough. He definitely got his sneakers from a wet market. You can't even find that color in goddamn America. Yeah, that's crazy. You got that from the motherland. Chris, we have a heat on the feet. He does. He does. He does. Let's do some, oh man, rest in peace to the God, Clarence, Avon, man. Man, if y'all know anything about me, y'all always hear me say I have four inspirations, four idols when it comes to this entertainment thing. It is P.D. Green. Rest in peace to P.D. Green. It is Arsenio Hall. It is Sean Jay-Z Carter. And it is Clarence motherfucking Avon, man. Clarence Avon, born in Greensboro, North Carolina, raised in Climax, North Carolina, became one of the most influential people, not just in music and politics and film and sports. If you don't know anything about the Black Godfather, man, you need to go watch his Netflix documentary called The Black Godfather, man. And, you know, it's one of those ones, right, where it's like, I thank God that I had the privilege and honor of sitting down and having a long, long lunch with Brother Clarence a couple of years ago. Because it was something that we were supposed to do before COVID, but then COVID hit, and then after COVID hit and the world opened back up. You know, we got to kick it at the Polo Lounge in L.A. And it was a great, great lunch. I'll never forget that day, man.   But, yeah, man, there's nobody. Clarence Avon is the all-time leader and assist. Wow. Watch the documentary. People in position. The all-time leader and assist.  I know how to get Barack there.  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. You know? You know that? Whoo! Oh, my God. Poor Barack, man. How they making him go out like this?  I don't think he's going out like nothing. All you got to do is not ignore it. Is that all? Ignore it. Nobody's going to sit with him in an interview and ask him about that letter. I'll ask him. I'll be like, did you imagine anything today? What was your imagination like today? All right. It's okay. What? What? What's going to happen? You're going to go surfing and not come back.  I'm going to go paddle board. Ha-ha-ha. Shit. You play it. You walk outside.  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. You know what I'm saying?  All right. BigZone509 says, if it was a civil war, which side of Andrew fighting on? Come on, bro. You already know. Ha-ha-ha-ha. You already know. The side with the guns, Brian, with these New York pussies. You know what I mean? We ain't got no guns, bro. We need to be with the boys.  You're saying a civil war now or a civil war back in the day? No. Oh, now. Now? What y'all fighting for? These pink-haired lesbians or you want to fight for real America, bro? Yeah, it depends what we fighting. Depends what the civil is. That's exactly what I'm saying. Like, what is it over?  Yeah, I'ma sit that one up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm not. If you say every teacher needs to be paid, you know, seven figures a year, we can go to war for that. We're going to war. I'm going to war for that. Wait, on which side? The teachers. My mom was a public school teacher. Damn, bro. Looks like we'll be fighting against each other in that one. No, teachers should really be some of the highest pay-per-view. The way teachers get treated criminally, bro. Seven figures, bro. Yo, teachers get treated criminally, man. Teachers should be making at least as much as doctors and lawyers, bro. At least, man.   You know what I'm saying? Like, literally, we drop our kids off for seven, eight hours a day with this one adult. I'm a dad of four. Y'all stressed for that shit? Now, you one teacher and you got to deal with 20 kids that you don't have no emotional connection to. 20 is best case scenario. 20 what, Chris? 20 is best case scenario. 20 is best, exactly. And you never wanted to be there. What do you mean? Like, I would say the vast minority of teachers actually wanted to be teachers. I think they start off wanting to be teachers. Nobody starts off wanting to be teacher.  So they decide. A teacher is a working-class job. Yeah, but they think that they're too educated to be a plumber and electrician or a garbage man. So they're like, I will do this other working-class job that has, like, social credit and appreciation even though it makes less than those jobs. I think it's a passion you have to have to be a teacher. The great teachers have the passion. Yeah, you have to. But the majority of them do it because they don't know what they want to do in their life. So they're like, okay, I'll go do this thing that people respect. But then they resent the fact that they're doing this thing that they don't love, they're not interested in and they're getting paid nothing for. Now, I want. It's a really tricky situation. I think I want to reconcile that it's not a fact. I mean, that's what this is about. I don't think people think they're necessarily above those other types of jobs. I think unfortunately for a lot of people and it's true, it's a union job that's cushy and once you get in you can't be touched and I think the unions are a large part of the problem and, you know, that might not be popular. Here's the reality. Right? Nobody should spend $200,000 on a master's degree to make $40,000 a year. Like, you have to be to do that. You're not talking about public school teachers. You're not talking about public school teachers. I'm talking about public school teachers. They're not spending $200,000 for a master's degree. What does a master's cost? Depends where you go to college. If you go to state school it doesn't cost $200,000. What does it cost? What does a master's cost at a SUNY Albany? At least 75. SUNY Albany. At least 100. I think it's minimum $100,000. That's a good question. I don't really know. You've got to be at least 100. So bare minimum doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I don't like it either. That's why I said to most teachers, man, the teachers that I know to Andrew's point there are two types of teachers that I've met. My mother was a public school teacher. Plus I know a lot of other teachers. There's people that are very passionate.  I've had teachers that changed my literal life, transformed it. Yes, I can salute the people like Maggie, Olsen out there in Milwaukee, salute the people like, you know, the education system. Mr. Davis, Mr. Appel, Mr. Jonas, changed my life. Yes, Ms. Brevar changed mine and she was a librarian. You know what I mean? Yeah.   Well, that's all my mom. Yeah, that's all. Of course you're going to be drawn to those things. So there are these people, but I think the majority of teachers that you deal with in your life, unfortunately, don't really want to be there. I think it's the new ones. I will say the new new teachers I've met really are just like, I'm quitting because I don't make enough money. Yeah. I like that might have my summers off and then I stopped going to school at three o'clock. Yes.  I think it's what Chris is saying, but clearly we have a flawed system where we're not paying them enough to get the ones that are the most brilliant at teaching, which is an art. Those people may be going to teach elsewhere, do other things, etc. I just don't even want to be in the profession because I don't make enough money because you can't reward it. It's only about 15 grand to get a master's at the SUNY system.  Muslims? No. Oh, like why would you do that? 15 grand. But that's just New York, though. Yeah, that's not that's true, small city college. Let's say college. CUNY or SUNY? SUNY, not CUNY. SUNY. Slew to all the teachers out there though, man. Most private schools is a hundred and a hundred. Yeah, easy. I am Travis Rich says, has success drove people away from you that you were close with? Uh, yeah.  What about you, show? Has success driven me away from people that what? No, has success drove people away from you that you were close with? Has success drove me away from people that? No, has success drove people away from you that you were close with? No.  No. That I was like, my real friends? Yeah. Or like, people are your friends in the entertainment, but you're not really friends. You're kind of colleagues because you all have like a mutual goal. The beauty of what you got is that your friends realize who you are, what you are, what you do and they've all rallied around you and put themselves in different position to help this whole enterprise grow, which is very rare. There's only a few people I see with it. Salute to LeBron James and his team. You know the Mavericks and the Rich Pauls of the world. Salute to Kevin Hart and his team. Salute to Jay-Z and his team. I have not seen it any other way and I would be lying to you if I told you I wasn't envious of that. When a man, especially men, because I have that kind of team but it's a lot of the women in my life. You know what I'm saying? But when men can say, that's the guy. Yeah. We don't do what he does. Yeah. But that brother has a talent that can help all of us grow and help this whole enterprise grow. So we're going to rally around that. Man, when you see that, it is unbelievable. Unstoppable. Unstoppable. I envy anybody who has that. Somebody like Justice Larry. My good sister Justice Larry. I tell her that all the time. She got that. You know what I'm saying?  It's her man Prince, her best friend Prince. You know what I mean? Like these people, you know, I love it. I'm just lucky my friends are talented. Mmm. You know what I mean? Because there, you could have friends that are not talented and you want to work with them. You want to, but it's just not going to work and you're not going to get there. But I'm just very fortunate that like my friends are brilliant. And then, so working with them is one very easy. They get to thrive. They get to be successful. And through their success, they're helping me achieve the goals that I have. I'm incredibly lucky. And they're not entitled. No. You know what I'm saying? They're not entitled to anything because I saw this clip that it was 50 Cent. I think he was talking to drama. We can actually insert it. I saw him talking and he was saying that you pray for success, but you don't pray for the jealousy, the envy and the entitlement. Oh. You know, that comes along with being successful. Yeah.  You know what I'm saying? You know, it's like, I get it. I totally understand it, man. So you know. That's the tricky thing, man. That's why it's great because it's like eats what they hunt. Man. I think that's the healthiest form. I absolutely agree. Because everybody feels incentivized by the success. That's right. And like, and don't try to do what the person you're close to is, is doing. You know what I'm saying?  If it's not your dream, because a lot of times we see things working for other people. Yeah. And we like, no, it's not. You got to go figure out what is good for you to be doing. It's so hard for people, bro.   And you're not even trying. Yeah.  I'm serious, man. Like, like what is, what does God have planned for you? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And guess what? If you do have an entity around you that you can look at and be like, man, you know, because of this person I have proximity to this and I have access to this and like, you know, if I did start doing this then it would be kind of easier because we know the X, Y, Z, these people. Like figure that out too. Yeah. I don't have, use me. Yeah. I have no problem. Just don't misuse me. You know what I'm saying? But I have no problem being used. If you can't be used you're useless, man. Success. It's a very tricky thing. Man, I had a thought this morning. Talk to me. Because I'm working on my new book. And I had a thought this morning about how I don't even like the term chasing because you don't have to chase what's meant for you. Hmm. You don't have to chase greatness.  It was going to happen for you. All you had to do was stay the course. Yeah. Work hard. Work hard. And whatever pace you were at, like running is not going to make you get to that destination any quicker. Bro. Like there's nothing, you shouldn't have to chase anything that is yours.  Yeah, it's almost just like, it's like the more authentic you can be in your like art or your creation is the closer you'll be to achieving those dreams. You know, we had Jelly on Flagger and he said a really interesting thing. He's like, you know, I was writing all these songs but there was like a disconnect, right? And it was like, he has this fun loving out exterior but deep down he's really sad. So he tried to write fun loving songs because that was the exterior. And then he tried to write songs that worked sad but with a fun loving exterior.  He was pure and honest because a lot of times our personalities are defense mechanisms for what we feel inside. You know what I mean? Like you were an anxious dude so you developed this amazing sense of humor to calm everything around you, right? You can control the environment with it. I'm sure it's part of the reason why I've developed a sense of humor, right? It's just like, how do I control what's going on? And like, when you get to create authentically look at how the people gravitated to it. It's not on the video that's seven years old or however many years old it is and it says, hey, was thinking about hey, try it a little something different. Let me know if you guys like it. Maybe put it on the album question mark. Like no, the biggest song he ever had. Right? And it's, you're right. It's like, I think that's one issue I have right now with the social media generation is that it almost feels like there's a chase for success on views and there's a little bit of a removal from chasing your art or your authentic way of expressing yourself. And if views and clout are the thing, they're kind of devoid of art in a way. Yes. You don't need any talent. You just do the wildest thing. You set yourself on fire. Exactly. I'm going to set myself on fire. I'm going to jump out of a building. I'm going to run into a store with a bicycle and break the window. And in my experience I'm always drawn to artists. And I've seen people who I thought were like really good artists. And by art I don't mean necessary painting. It could be music. It could be philosophy. It could be comedy or whatever. And I've seen them kind of chase the algorithm or chase the success or chase whatever and then kind of leave their art a little bit in that pursuit. And it's one thing that I hope that they eventually readjust maybe chasing is the right word but always trying to be pure and authentic in their creations. It's something I've... The people who are authentic are just trying to be. They only know how to express that one thing. That's right. Because what you said about Jelly Roll is what so many of us creatives go through because when you're in this industry this industry won't let you be. It just won't let you be what you truly want to be in whatever moment. People trying to make money off you so they can't do that. Do that thing. That's right. Remember when that happened that caused you to do this and that caused that. So we need more of that and it's like ain't that no more? You know what I mean? So you've got me chasing something that has ran away from me already.   Shit was funny to us though.  When it was real? When it was real like when you watch me talking to by the way you'll still get that if I'm talking like when you see me talking to Magic Johnson when you first got the information did you ever say to yourself it was that nasty bitch from Sacramento I've been wanting to ask me that my whole life. Yeah, yeah. It's coming out. You know what I'm saying? Like that's authentic.  I can look at myself and be like boy I was really, really handed up. You know what I'm saying? So and that's what I be trying to talk to these youngsters about is that man the reason there's nothing like inspiring in that space right now is because nothing is rooted in who these people really are. Tell them to pursue the art. Just say hey pursue your art. pursue your art man. Like find a craft and then try to pursue that with the most authenticity you possibly can and that's going to be scary and it's going to be much harder. It is going to be way harder. You're right.  And then finding, doing other things, doing MTV shows, doing podcasts, right? Where I end up falling in love with podcasting, but even doing MTV shows where I was like, this ain't my art, but I'm gonna try to do it as close to, as authentic as I can. Even though there's gonna be limitations on it. And I have to be okay with that, because I also want success. I also want a family that I can provide for, like. I think we were just young too. Yeah, when you're young, you're not thinking at all. Listen, you should take advantage of all the opportunities that come your way. But we would fight for things that we've always created. Absolutely, absolutely. But I just think we were young, and we were taking advantage of opportunities, and we were listening to people who did have our best interests. Yeah, yeah. You can't act like a lot of those, a lot of those executives at MTV had a lot of our best interests at heart. They did, and it worked out. And it did. It worked out. We've had some great TV careers, you know what I mean? The only thing I would say is that when it comes to media, everybody literally is doing the same thing. And I think that there's so many different realms of just the media game people could be into.  Like they do all of these things, right? But you might be better at producing than being a talent. You might be better at writing than being a talent. You might be better at editing than being a talent, but you'll never know that because you're too busy trying to be a talent. I listen to a lot of different voices because I do know that the next generation of even radio superstar is probably gonna be somebody from the podcast world, somebody from the YouTube space. But I'm telling y'all right now, just like I can listen to a lot of radio talent and be like, Jesus Christ, man, it's not a lot of good radio talent out here. It's not a lot of good talent in those spaces either.   They might be talented. They're just trying to be something they're not. So you don't even know. It's like, have you ever seen a diamond before it's cut up and looks nice? Yeah. That's where they are. So it's just like, you're not even giving yourself the opportunity to cut yourself up and look beautiful. There's like a couple of people I see that I'm like, yo, that person got something. You know what I mean? Whether it's their voice, whether it's their POV. I know some people who got the voice and the POV. You know what I'm saying?  I'm not playing. But I do pay attention, but I can look at some people and be like, all that person needs is the right opportunity and the right coach, you know? And they out of here, you know? Find your art, pursue it as much as you can. There's gonna be limitations earlier in your career and you have to accept those. And then as you get more successful, be more authentic with your art. But if you have an art, I'm telling you it's gonna be so much more fruitful.  Yeah. They get all the attention and they're like, okay, well now I guess I need all the money. Like, and then it's just this never ending game to try to fill their cell because they don't got an art to fill themselves. There's nothing better than putting time into something you're proud of. That's right. And then people appreciating it. That's right. Oh. I hope everybody can experience that once in their life, bro. I agree. You know somebody, I do want to salute somebody. I want to salute a podcast that I've been enjoying and it is the need to know podcast. Need to know. The need to know podcast. I had just pulled them up. It is Save On, Alex and Reggie.  Let me see. I like the chemistry. I like the things y'all talk about, the things y'all discuss. I enjoy listening to y'all. I really do. Save On, Alex and Reggie. Three youngins called the need to know podcast. Salute to them.  But nah, Save On, Alex and Reggie, the need to know podcast.  Shout out to you guys. Yeah, keep doing it. Don't let me down. The need to know podcast. That's why I don't be wanting to say it. That's why I like to shout people out. It's the need to know podcast. Yes, the need to know podcast. What do you use with need to know? What I said. Because need to know is too old white guy. No, no, no, no. It's the need to know podcast. The need to know podcast. Yeah, Save On, Alex and Reggie. I like what y'all do. I like the chemistry that y'all have. And Reggie is, he's in radio. I don't know what he does in radio. I just hear him talk about he's in the radio space. And Save On was a producer. He was on Joe's show, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've definitely met him before. And Reggie, I don't know her background. But I like that. Y'all should stay together. Y'all should stay together as a unit. And y'all should continue to grow what it is that y'all are doing. There's definitely something there with the need to know podcast. I really feel that way. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. You're absolutely right.   Thank you for listening.