Calling the meeting of the Arlington Finance Committee to order our major business today is a presentation by the Capital Planning Committee and I'll turn the presentation over to the new chair sir. Thank you and thank you for indulging the technical difficulties so good evening thank you for having us and we thought we would kick off with a before picture of the DPW. We do not have an after picture yet or even a rendering of that but here we go. So here we are today our attendees and I'll ask each of us to raise his or her hand when I say their names so Joe Bart, Edie Cody, Charlie Foskett, Bill's Marshall, Michael Mason, Chris Moore, Angela Ozoski, Sandy Cooler, Julie Wayman, and me, Morca Jantar. Alright great so we have tonight's agenda a little bit on who we are, what we do, and we're asking you to do tonight. Then we'll talk about what the Capital Plan has achieved or is currently achieving and how it fits into our town's budget. We're going to get some detail on the main recommended appropriations by department. We'll talk a little bit about some issues that came up this year and that we expect will be recurring and possibly contentious and costly going forward. Then we have some detail from the town's treasurer on how we must rescind prior borrowing and our appropriations and finally a recap and recommended vote. So this is our membership and it includes a few of us who couldn't be here tonight, Steve Nandru and Brian Merrick. It shows how we all came to be on this committee. Here we have how we divide up our work. We have several subcommittees and each of them meets with a few of the town's departments in the fall to go over their requests and then we discuss them as a full committee. Before I go into the work that we do, let's take a step back into why are we doing this. So capital expenditures are for long-lived assets, often costly ones that the town must priority pay for. It therefore naturally leads itself to long-term planning. By creating a plan, we reduce uncertainty. We can also weigh priorities necessarily in order to keep within our budget. And finally having this dedicated group pay careful attention to these matters should we hope we assure our citizens. So for many of you this should be familiar but there's always new members so here's a refresher on our process. We look at the town's year-by-year revenues and allocate five percent of that for capital expenditures. And these are for non-exempt spending. We don't count the exempt spending. The clear example of that currently is the high school. It's the kind of authorized by citizens in debt exclusion votes. It creates a separate pool of money paid for by extra taxes for a PIA project. So that's aside from what we do. We then ask the town's departments to tell us in the summertime after the new fiscal year begins what their requests are. And that's both for the fiscal year that will begin the following summer, July 1st, as well as for the following four years. These are submitted through early September, when we begin meeting as a committee. We then have those subcommittees you saw before meet with the department heads to discuss their request in detail. We also meet with facilities regarding the upkeep of the fiscal plant. So for example time for a new roof on whatever building. We then have the subcommittee present to the full committee and we approve or not the request and prioritize them. And we also looked to balance the spending within the 5% rule we'll come back to over the full five year plan. I want to say a few words of praise for former chair Charlie Foskett and some of our other members such as Stephen Andrew and Brian Rario who couldn't be here tonight with their leadership. Our capital plan has been successful and in budget for 33 years and counting and adhering to the five percent rule has met the town's needs while also providing guardrails so we don't spend too little or more likely too much. Why is it five percent? First of all, it's worked as a number. Second, it's been a number that doesn't change so we can keep that as that as that guide rail as they called it. And it's in line with what we had seen at other towns around the common milk. So tonight we are asking you to vote favorable action on our recommended budget and reappropriation of funds to support our five year plan. To transfer, this is a bit of a detail, transfer $10,000 from perpetual care to our capital budget and to support a separate article from the treasurer on debt recidivism. With that background, I'll turn it over to Sandy Thuler, our W-10 manager, to look at the capital plan's achievements and to put into context our current budget. So many achievements. They're so big we had to make the print really small. So this is to give many of you have seen this presentation before, but for those of you who haven't, this is just to give you a sense of how the dollars in the capital plan have worked in the most recent past and what's going on with them right now. So every year there are a series of roadways and sidewalks that I will go through all the names of them, but I will say that if you're interested in knowing on the DPW page on the town's website, there's a list of all of those roadway projects and a map that shows where those are done. Same thing with some of the water and sewer improvements. Most recently, some of the things that we've accomplished is putting the signals up in the new traffic signals up in the center of town, renovating and reopening to give schools, buying a new ambulance and pumper. We're pretty much all the way through the voice phone system, which is a voiceover internet protocol system. So it's a modernization of a phone system that if you if you saw the old one, it was in the basement of the high school held together with chicken wire and bubblegum and literally a 30 year old essentially computer. We are now we have all of the buildings in town up on the voice system except the fire department and they're right now having to change over some of the wiring in the library to get that done. But everything else is now on the voice system. And we installed a new filtration plant at the reservoir. In progress now again, our various modern sewer roadway improvements again, they're up on the website. I just quickly mentioned because you're going to hear more detail works going on now at the central school, which some people might refer to the senior center but is now officially called the Community Center at the high school again, you'll hear a little bit more about that and about the DPW building. There are people who will talk a little more detail. We were about to start renovations at the Parmenter School, which had the front part of that school, the older part had been rented out for the International School of Boston at those tenants of last that building is being renovated. A new elevator is being installed to make it ADA accessible. So that the monotomy preschool can move in there, get the little kids out of the high school all during the construction project of the high school, and have that in place so those kids can be in there starting in September. The city you're going to probably see construction fencing going up there in the next week or two. Get that going. The Mystic Street Bridge is on a little bit on hold. We've done our part of it, but there are several utilities that run across that bridge and we're waiting for various utility companies to move their pipes or lines or wires in various instances so that we can move forward. That's being funded by the grant. We are well on our way toward almost all of the major, initial major upgrades to Munis system that was funded by town meeting starting about five years ago. One major thing that has yet to be done is to integrate our water and sewer building system into the Munis system. That is a at this point about a year long project going forward. We started to do a lot of the initial work, but it's a it's a huge amount of data conversion from another 30 year old computer. I think it was I forget how old it is, but it's one of those things that if it breaks, you'll never get it running. So I think that's been a huge success. It's been the town should pat itself in the back for investing in a good IT infrastructure that allows the treasurer and the comptroller and all the departments to be able to do their jobs in a modern efficient way. Police radio system is is being installed it that should be up in parts of it running in the next month or so. So it's going to be a new modernized radio system for police officers. So when they right now, sometimes when they are in buildings, they cannot get a signal, which is a bad thing if because if you're in a building, it's probably for a bad reason. So you want to make sure that radio signal gets to you. This will be an improvement where putting new repeaters and so forth up in Turkey Hill and police station one other place. So that we have total coverage on the Lake Street signals. This is along the bike path there to modernize that. And what more rodents we are moving forward in the architectural print phase, the design phase of renovating those three buildings back there, the money that has been allocated by that meeting in the past year. And we expect that that stuff will be out to bid and that work will get done this summer. So that's just a very quick moment. There's a long presentation, a very quick summary of where we are right now. Any questions? Now that we've talked about things, we get to talk about really fun stuff like money and spreadsheets. This is my favorite part. I wish I just have to say and all full disclosure, I recently did a presentation at the Mass Municipal Association. And I told everybody that I how much I love spreadsheets and how much I love geeking out on spreadsheets. And I just got the feedback back from the conference.  I hope to share that. He's asked all of you. As Timur said, we have this rule of 5% of the budget going to capital. But some of that 5%, some of the total budget, which you will see in the most operating budget for FY 21 in these years going forward, it's all part of the numbers that you see in five year plan, which is in the manager's budget book, and which will be part of the finance committee report when you come out. Some of that money isn't really money that can be spent on capital because it is income that comes into the town, but is really reserved for other purposes. So we then we do is we take the total town budget, and we take out the things that really cannot be spent on capital. The first one of those is an adjustment for water sewer, which means as many of you know, we subsidize our water and sewer rates with tax dollars that sometimes referred to as the MWA debt shift. Arlington is maybe the only town still in the state that does this. It was a good idea years ago when it first went into effect because it meant that people could essentially write off some of their water and sewer bills on their tax bills because you can deduct a tax that you cannot deduct a fee. Now that changes in federal tax law have changed those deduction amounts and sent a $10,000 cap on that, that's going to go away. But we still have it in place. And because all of that $5.5 million is going tax dollars to subsidize the water and sewer, you can't take 5% of that and put it toward capital. Similarly, when we have exempt debt service, in other words, we've gone to the voters and asked them to raise their taxes for special capital projects, whether it's the Minuteman high school that or the Arlington high school or all of the elementary schools that were renovated through debt exclusion over the years. That is, can you be used and only used for that purpose? You can't take 5% of that. And then we take money from the enterprise funds and a couple of other sources. It's what we call an offset to the town budget. We take what the total town budget is and we charge the enterprise funds a certain percentage of the time that people like me who are paid by the general fund spend to work on things like the enterprise fund work. And so that's a direct payment from the enterprise funds at the source. And again, that has nothing to do with capital. So you reduce all of that and then you get to this number here, which is the base that we use for the 5%. This is, I'll just say this is somewhat dynamic. Although during the year, these numbers change and projections change. But at one point, we kind of take a snapshot and say, here we are, capital planning committee, here we are finance committee. This is the number we're going to work with. And this is what we're going to do our 5% on. Now even more and even smaller numbers. What this is showing is how we come into compliance with that 5% rule. And what we essentially say is, we're spending a lot of money prior non exempt debt service, in other words, debt service that is not supported by an override, just regular old debt service paid for by the general fund. Add to that the cash that we're spending in this capital plan. And then an estimate of what new debt service we're going to issue non exempt debt service as bonds and new debt service that is going to be issued through a ban, a temporary one year, a note that we sometimes will issue as a transitional funding source until we send sell permanent bonds. All of which is say all of that adds up to about $10.9 million here. Pretty much across the board is in that range. So that's everything we are spending. But not all of it comes from the general fund. So there are lots of other sources here that we use to deduct from the total to get a subtotal of what the actual amount being spent out of the general fund and what your 5% calculation is based on. So I'll just spend a little bit of time talking about this because I know some of you have not heard this before. But again, when we have debt up here for things, it's going to include regular debt for general fund purposes, but also debt, for example, fixing up the rink. So the rink is paying for that. The same thing for buying an ambulance. We have an ambulance fund and that gets charged for ambulance capital carry forwards is the biggest number here. And that what that is is is is is really our commitment to recycling. We've taken money from past projects. We bought what we need from those projects. Let's say we had a truck that was going to cost we thought $50,000 and it ended up costing only $45,000. We've got a better deal on it. So we have $5,000 left over. Those $5,000 from lots of trucks and projects and borrowings and so forth all add up to money that was allocated but not spent. So we are essentially recycling it and reusing it as a source for the coming year. We have an antenna fund. We get income from renting out space for cell phone towers that money is to be used primarily for recreation purposes. And this is linked exactly to some recreation debt and projects we have. The urban renewal fund is the fund that the ARB controls for the central school and a couple of other buildings. And for projects that are done in their on their property, they pay part of the freight for doing that. Recreation enterprise fund. Again, as you know, we haven't. So just like the rig for recreation capital projects, we hit them up for a certain amount of capital that's coming specifically debt that relates to them. And then asset sales proceeds under state law when we sell a piece of town property, we have to put that money in a certain account that can be used for other can't be used for anything that can be used for certain specific capital acquisition property acquisition purposes. This 750 next year, by the way, is for the sale of the DAV building up on Mass Ave, which is under contract. But we haven't sold it yet. So we keep counting on it, but keep having to put money back a year, a year a year. I'm hoping that by next year, it will all be done. But that all depends on whether there's going to be a new hotel or whatever is going to be built there. And that sales through the override went through in 2011. One of the commitments was to spend 5% of it. I think it started a certain number. I figured the exact number was somebody named for me on road improvements. And that goes up 2.5% every year. The same thing for this last override accessibility improvements, we started it $200,000. That was part of the override campaign that's going up 5% per year. And then years ago, we sold a bond and got a very large premium on it back in 2016. And since then, the laws about financing have kind of changed. So we don't do this anymore, in this way. But we're basically using the last bit of that premium as a source. And then that's going to go away. Oh, and this last line is for the capital projects that we're doing for town owned properties like the Parmenter School, or like the Dalin, or Rider Street, or Mount the Boa. We get a lot more rent out of those than we ever spend on upkeep. In fact, the upkeep of some of those buildings has been minimal to say the least over the years. So what the Capital Planning Committee did say is they're going to attribute some of the rent that comes in from those sources to the Capital Plan as a source to even out the bargain for the rent, you know, we're getting those buildings and really needing from time to time to invest in them at least mentally. Also, all those things that deducts the major expense, you get to then $8.2 million of what we're really spending. 5% of that 166 from the previous slide is $8,301. So as things stand right now, we have a surplus in FY 21 of $32,000. In other words, we could add $32,100 into the Capital Plan this year if we found something that was that. Generally, what the committee tries to do is hit that 5% over the five years, make sure we're at or under that 5% the first year, and then the other years, it kind of goes up and down to try to smooth it out as much as possible. But the key numbers are making sure we're at 5% here, and 5% here. You've got them enthralled. Are you sure? Yeah. So, this slide, we just wanted to note that coordination, we have a community preservation and just highlight the REZ project where we'll be funding from the Capital Plan $550,000 and $350,000 or $350,000 and CPA will be funded as planned to fund $587,000. And some of the new cost estimates coming in for fees too. Okay, so now we're going to go into the section where we will go into each department's requests in some detail and I'll take it back. And since they are our hosts tonight, we'll start with colleagues. I'll just note that as Sandy had mentioned before, we have a couple of things on here that actually are not New Yorker creations for fiscal 21. But they are big dollars and works in progress, so we wanted to recap them. Those would be the first and the third items on this list here. So the first one is the replacement of the police and fire radio system and the dispatch center located here on the first floor. And this was appropriated in fiscal 19 and 20 and the total multi-year cost for both departments is about $1.4 million. And that's in progress right now. It's not an outlay in 21. And I'll jump ahead a little bit about the sequence here. The last thing on here is the final elements of the renovation of this building. There's some money left over from that. And in the process of doing our evaluation, our bare evaluation of the police and the facilities department came to the conclusion that there should be some repaving of the parking area replacement of the garage door and then some modifications to include elevator and and accessible entrance. And so these will tap into the prior allocations parking is $125,000 garage doors are $45,000. And the accessibility is $23,000. So all all total coming out of prior prior funds. Bullet two is the main item for for the police department for this year. It's their annual appropriation of $135,000. And that's for vehicle replacement. They have a whole series of vehicles. They are able to replace about three of them per year. It might be a marked cruiser or might be unmarked cruiser might be a motorcycle and looking at seeing actually one of each of those in the coming fiscal year. And that is basically a fund that they tap about saying that every year goes up occasionally because of inflation. That's what we're talking about for the coming fiscal year. If there are questions about police, we'll turn to fire. Quick question. If they're replacing vehicles on a three year cycle, does that mean there's no vehicle that's older than three years? Probably a couple of exceptions. But yeah, okay.  So is that common for police departments in the state in the country? Is that typical? I can't speak to that from my own personal knowledge. I can say that we've been it seems like saving it goes out. So the we're really talking about cruisers. And with cruisers, it's not really miles. It's hours that those engines are running because they passed from one person to the next. So they're basically that engine is running all the time. So it's the number of hours that really take wear and tear on it. And after a while, it is very common to have a cycle like this. I mean, I have to say, Arlington, I've heard me say this before, I think a long time ago, did a great job of saying 5% of the budget is going to go to capital so that it can on a regular basis do things like replace these cars. I have seen other places where they've had to go four years or something like that. That starts to A cause problems with the cars and B starts to create morale problems because as things break down, you start to see hear that back from the officers. So I think this three year cycle has been has worked well for the department. When the when the cruiser is just sitting there, the engine is going all the time to keep the computers going and everything else. So, same he says, the mileage on the engine is much more than a mileage on the car. John, are there available at all electric vehicles that could be police cars? You know, because, for example, what talent was is talking about sitting there running the engine. Yeah, it's enormously inefficient. You know, if you have a battery in the car, you charge the battery, you get 90% of the energy out of it for use. If it's a gasoline engine, it may be getting five, six percent out of it. It's enormous waste, especially with island all the time, right? And I'm wondering if I don't think about replacing those with electric, you know, what I have, what I had seen from them is you think that I'm looking at hybrids, not pure electric vehicles for the main vehicles, and also looking at for things like parking enforcement vehicles, purely electric vehicles for those. You know, all the buildings are going in that direction. All the new buildings are no energy hookup at all. I don't possible energy hookup at all. Everything's electric. So you're just beginning to think about it. Yes. Okay, other questions? Yes. For the town retires an asset like cells of police car? Does the money go to the capital budget? Or does it go to general funds? I think they trade vehicles. Oh, they trade vehicles where they can. That's the case for DPW. That's the case for most departments that have vehicles to try and get a trade. Other questions? Onward. Onward. So third apartment here, the big ticket item in fiscal 21 is a new ambulance, which is a little over $300,000. This is funded entirely from our ambulance revolving fund that comes with revenues from for ambulance dispatches. In addition, in fiscal 21, we have a annual appropriation of $25,000 for firefighter protective gear. This is on a multi year cycle as well. I believe it's a 10 year cycle. And so we're replacing roughly eight units of this per year for the firefighters. Not shown here. There's a smaller expenditure in 21. It's replacement furniture because people live in the fire stations and they wear them out. So it's $10,000 at the Park Circle Fire Station. Just mentioning here, for a couple of the out years, we have a big ticket coming up in next year's plan, which is the new pumper at over $600,000. And then the jaws of light equipment that we have, it's coming to the end of its estimated 10 year lifespan. And that require a $3,000 replacement in fiscal 23. Yes. Three. The coronavirus threat or whatever you want to call it, how will be prepared for that? In terms of money, if you need to buy equipment, especially equipment for that or anything? I don't know the details, but just putting it out there. How is the town prepared for that? And where are the funds? Where will the funds come from? It's called the reserve fund. It's under the control of finance. You'll get a chance to vote on that later. Why add Sandy any special things that are being done with the virus? There, I don't think there's been any particular actions. I think we are monitoring it. We do have an emergency response committee that is chaired by the by the fire chief to look at disasters and other emergency response includes representation police town manager's office, it other offices and including on a depending on what the issue is that the health department which would be the most appropriate for this. But we have not been in the meetings I've been in so far, had a call from any of them, the need to buy, you know, masks or ventilators or anything like that. And remember years ago when SARS was around, there were a lot of conversations about that. Fortunately, that didn't ever develop that way. But so I'd say we're keeping an eye on it. We have not been told at this point that we need to buy. So on the combined public safety request, right? So police fire. Stupidity up front that I know the patrolmen have at times requested that fast speed swap that annually. And they're not. That's fine. When the subcommittee met with the chiefs of police in fire, did they feel that their capital needs were being met through the budget? Or is there or do they have some kind of concerns, any concerns that there's something that they need to keep people safe that is not being budgeted? So I'm on this committee. And I heard no concerns from either the then acting chief of this new police chief, or the order or the current fire chief that what they were asking for was not being met by the by this budget. Okay, thank you for the committee's understanding. I've asked that question for like 15 years. So there's no actual like rationale behind it. Besides, I just keep asking. Okay, any questions on any of the public safety that we've just gone through? Alright, I'll turn it back to Sandy now to talk about our town own I'm going to talk about this, but first want to give all the credit for this to Julie, who did the work to put all this information together. And then I just get to stand up here. But it's only fair to say that she really did work. So I want So there are two classes of buildings that we we own. One are the buildings that are under the Urban Renewal Fund. They are three buildings, essential school. They at least out they offer stories or at least out the various tenants, including Arlington Center for the Arts, the Mr. Watershed Association. The weatherization program, the retirement office, and so forth. Then there's 23 Maple Street, which is the residential house right next door. It is currently that currently houses a residential treatment facility for for youth. There are lease expires at the end of this fiscal year, June 30. And it's not going to be renewed. We are investigating now what other uses might be made of that building, including perhaps putting certain departments, maybe including it in there, because it has to move out of high school, is there tearing down the building that they live. And the new space that DPW isn't going to be ready yet. So one of the things we think about is maybe putting them in there for a year or two. So that's under investigation. And then Jefferson Cutter House, which is down at the center of town. They over the years, the Urban Renewal Fund collected a lot more rent, particularly out of the Central School, and it does now. And so we are always watching with the balance is they have about $200,000 left in their fund. That is a June as of June 30, or July 1, 2019. I think that was one. And we're taking I think 40,000 out of it in this capital plan. So one of these days, we're going to have there's going to be sort of a day of reckoning as to how sustainable that fund is. But for the time being, there's enough that we can keep going, at least over the span of this capital plan. The other buildings that we own are the Parmenter School, which I talked about, which hasn't had two tenants, now is going to continue with one tenant, leasing in the back there, at least goes through 2024, FY 2024. The Dalin Library, which is where ACMI has its studios. They do not have a lease with them, but they are continuing to pay rent under the terms, the prior lease. So terms just continue in place. Ryder Street is a unique building. I don't know if you've ever seen it, it's kind of this rundown place, kind of behind my rack. We are going to meet. We have a tenant in there, a landscaping business. There, lease expires in June. They will then move out. The owners may be wrapping up their landscaping business. And then we will make use of that space for putting, certainly, TPW vehicles, and maybe one of the divisions, maybe the natural resources division into that site, starting this summer, because they have to clear out the current TPW location. We've also talked about with the school department, eventually maybe citing their school buses there, because they used to be cited at the TPW, and so there's possibility of maybe moving there, then there over the long run. And then Mount Kilbowa is up in western Arlington, in the park up there. It's a great place to go on Halloween because it looks like the monsters live there. This long winding driveway. We do have a residential tenant in there who plays rent that, at least expired in 2018, but it has two one year auctions, which the tenant has, and we have agreed to, to take advantage of. So those are all the buildings that we own, and from which we derive a certain amount of rent. And then this next sheet just shows kind of a profit and loss statement for each of these deep questions. Yeah. So regarding Rider Street, you're saying in the short term, you're going to put teachers and we're going to put them into natural resources. And maybe the staff. And then at the lot, we're talking about that with landscaping. And then long term, they're going to have it. What's the long term use yet to be determined. I just I know the school department is interested in maybe parking its school buses there overnight, because they like to have a secure place for their school buses. So just for the parking lot itself, the building. That is all part of more discussions about what to do with it. But that's probably two or three years away. Once the DPW project is finished, and they can move back over to grocery. Okay, so as part of the DPW school department project, the town made a decision to take the playing field that refer to the peer's practice, or what? Because they said, Well, we need it for DPW. So the user groups had a concern. And the town manager had a memo the issue on December 4, 2018, where he talked about alternatives. And one of his alternatives was under 4b exploring potential use of the town on parcel on Ryder Street, currently rented to Lollacato Landscaping is a soccer slash lacrosse field. And so I'm hearing this is different to the town manager does made this if you wrote that then, now he's made a decision that he wants to go in a different direction with that parcel. I think for the in the short run. Yes, we need that space for DPW to get out of Grove Street or during the construction project. Sure, in the long term. In the long term, I don't. The long term, there's no decision has been made about what to do with that property. Christine, the second one year option at Malibu, Gilboa is expiring this year. And I think we have to negotiate a release. Is that the plan to negotiate a release or put it out? Yes, because I can do it. It's a public property process. Okay, any other questions? Okay. Sandy. So this is more informational. I don't want to go through all the numbers here. But basically what it's, there's a report that is issued every year to the Capital Planning Committee, kind of looking at how these buildings are, these buildings make it a profit, are we losing money on them and so forth. And so we analyze the income that comes in from these places, including whatever carrying costs there are for debt, for that we've issued to do work on these places, most of them is fairly minimal. And so we do one analysis with including the debt and one without. And overall, what you see is that we make substantial profits in that, including the debt in FY 19, we were running a profit about $361,000. Without the debt was about $405,000 on that's accumulative for all of these. The notable exception is the Urban Renewal Fund where last few years was basically been drawing down the balance in that Urban Renewal Fund because we're spending more money on that. And the Urban Renewal Fund is spending more of its own funds on investing in capital than it's taking in rent. So that's why I think in the long rent something that we're going to have to do. Okay, any questions, John? We maintaining these properties appropriately, maybe with the possibly accepted to the right of street property, which is the other places. So Mount Kilbao, we just had to replace the roof because only nothing had been done there for years. And the tenant was complaining about water getting in there. I think it was the first time a long, long time that we've done much at building at some point probably is going to need repainting and things like that. Harmenter, we've kept up with I think fairly well, there's been a line in the operating budget for years to do repairs there. That money is now been moved into the facilities department facilities. So it's all part of that budget. And we're doing a major renovate well, the elevator is a major expense. It's not going to do much for the rest of the building. There's still things that we're going to we're looking at in the future years with the heating system and so forth. It's probably going to need more work. And then Dalin, I know from time to time we have put money in there to make repairs to the heating system to fix the accessible walk entrance where there was some issues of water getting in from the parking lot and so forth. In general, I think the building is running along for it's an old library. It's a pretty sturdy building. Okay, any other questions? Charlie, you Thank you, teamwork. So what you see up there is a picture of the original central school. I just want you to note that even though Sandy referred to the building previously as the central school, despite renaming the community center, I stretched the across the chasm here and I called the central school and the community center on the same slide. But this building was originally built in 1894. It served a number of purposes for the town over the years. You can see that outlined in that slide. And over the last couple of years, town meeting has allocated through a series of appropriations approximately $8.25 million for the renovation of the bottom two doors of the building, the upper floor where the center for the arts is located was renovated at their expense about three years ago, I think. The next slide is just the status of where that is. And the design is complete. There's there's a project manager, owner's project manager, the permanent town building committee is involved in it, in managing the construction. It is behind schedule. It was supposed to more or less start in January. It's now planned to begin in March. And they have created a cash flow plan, which has been communicated to the treasurer to organize the bonding and financing. And very importantly, the planning department has come up with logistics plan to continue to provide services to the various users of the building, even though they'll, you know, the space available. On the next slide, is a little summary of these various services. The seniors association, the council on aging, the retirement board. The retirement board right now is concerned about the schedule because there's a gap in where they can be located they're in the high school right now. I'm sorry, they're in the second floor of this building. If they have to move out, they will have a hard time providing services to their 600 constituents in the contributory retirement system. And I guess the rest of the the details are there on the slide notice that the starting in March, there'll be no regular meetings in the senior main room, the arts and crafts room or the mural room because of the plan construction. On the next slide is a simple timeline. And you can see on the left hand side of those two little flags, the starter construction starts around May 4. And then anticipated to be complete in 2021. And then all the people will be moving back by about June 2021. And the next slide just outlines a cash flow plan that the money has, you know, some of the money for planning and the hiring of the the OPM, etc, has already been committed and spent. And you'll see the balance I was going to ramp up during this year and be completed by the late spring of 2021. I think that's what I had to say. Thank you. Any questions? Okay. Okay, all right. So I'm going to talk about recreation and the rank and then a little bit about playgrounds. So the on the recreation department, the two main ongoing things that the capital plan is paying for our ADA study implementation program. So several years ago, the recreation department completed a study of ADA upgrades that would be necessary at various parks and playgrounds. And so they're working their way through at about $20,000 a year kind of goes up and down, but the funding is $20,000 a year in terms of what we allocate to implement those improvements that walkways, playground upgrades, various things like all for accessibility. And then $10,000 a year, they spend roughly on just studying future playground update grades. And I'll talk to you about sort of what that leads to in terms of actual projects. So those are just, you know, those continue all three years, all five years, sorry, of the capital plan. And then the Ed Burns Arena, two upcoming sort of more significant improvements there, which would be paid for through the fund for the arena. They want to upgrade the accessibility of the bleacher area in the range with a bleacher list, which allow people to get to different levels for $20,000 in this coming fiscal year and then they anticipate needing to do repairs on the barrel roof. So the major main roof over the ice surface itself. And that's about $200,000. We're programming in fiscal year 22 that may move around a little bit in the future, but that's a sort of good placeholder for the time being. So those are the sort of general pieces of the recreation and the rent budget, capital budget. So if there are any questions on that before I move on to playgrounds, Peter, could you review the situation with the state on the on the on the ring? So we didn't get into a ton of detail on that with the sub committee when we met with the head of the Recreation Department. But I know that that's all I can say, sort of semi-knowledgeably is that that is an upcoming issue in terms of, you know, the the town's lease or agreements operate the rank. It's not something that they anticipated any specific capital needs immediately, other than just the kind of upkeep that I mentioned. It didn't sound like there was any, I'm not aware of it. If you have anything to add on this of any plans to sort of change the basic, you know, arrangement with the state unless the state kind of forces the issue through some action on their part, you know, they were to decide they wanted to divest themselves to that asset. Sandy, is there anything else you would add on that? I'm sorry, Mary Margaret. Right. And I was going to say when we get back to that, I was going to read what Sandy wrote, but what the lease agreement was and the amount and how we kept the fees and all that. When we get to the rink again. We know the answer. We had a couple of comments have come up during the course of our meetings about the state of the locker rooms. That they leave something to be desired. Is any work of the locker rooms been contemplated in any of this? That has not come up during our discussions in so many. So we can certainly try to find out more about that for when we go through the process for okay, nothing, it hasn't been mentioned in any of the conversations or something. Maybe it's out of its doesn't rise to the level of them consuming capital upgrades or if they just haven't got to that yet. So right on playgrounds. So the first slide of two on this just kind of lays out the where we are with planned expenditures. And this is both from CP from the capital plan, but also anticipated from CPA and mostly as the bottom mentions coming from expected to be coming from CPA. As I think Angela mentioned, you know, the reservoir improvements phase two with the capital plans funding $350,000 and CPA has agreed to fund $587,000 increased as time went by in FY 21. So that's our kind of major playground upgrade that's taking place this coming fiscal year. And then the chart below kind of lays out the expected playground improvements over the next over the four out years of the plan with kind of one major playground and $425,000 a year. And as I'll get to in a minute, that number is something we need to really be thinking about along with some more significant upgrades at Hertzfield and a post corner. The only element that the capital plan is currently anticipated to pay for under the current assumptions is this off leash dog area at Hills Hill, which is adjacent to the arena. So I guess the the real the real discussion is about kind of where we go next with this, because I think as this slide sort of lays out and based on our discussions with the recreation department, but also based on some other things that are happening, particularly with some as you see at the bottom with some cost estimates for playgrounds on school property. We have to you know, the use of these facilities is increasing. The expectations from residents are increasing. But the facilities are aging and they require not just upgrades to sort of where they are now, but actual additional improvements to keep pace with code changes, the types of materials that are used to keep kids safe. And just the general fact that construction costs, as we've seen certainly, and I assume you've all seen as well, are going up at a higher rate than we would have expected, or at least the normal level of inflation or certainly the normal two and a percent increase. And so as you can see, like I said, at the bottom, there's, you know, I think there are ways to bring these down. And I think, you know, Michael is working on that as well. But, you know, the two bids for school playgrounds of the Hardy School and the Pure School both came in significantly over the budget and were anticipating funding those to the capital plan at this point. But if you think about that, those numbers in the context of the previous slide, and like I said, the $425,000 we've been carrying as a kind of baseline cost estimate, they certainly don't jive with each other. And so I think there's a larger discussion that, you know, the capital planning communities to have and perhaps this group and others need to have about how do we actually meet resident expectations? How do we continue to upgrade our playgrounds? Or potentially can we continue to do one playground a year, which has been sort of what's been happening recently? Or does that schedule need to be extended out? But then we may get into a situation where we're not able to actually keep up with the state of good repair because by the time we get to the playground, it's going to be falling apart at a longer time frame. So I don't obviously have the answers to that question, but I think we felt as a committee that it was important to highlight that to others to sort of say this is a discussion that's coming. And like I said, I think our resident expectations are ever increasing. And so just saying, well, we're not going to be able to fix as many playgrounds may not sort of cut it. So I guess I'll just sort of leave it there as an open question for either for discussion in an hour or at some other point. Questions? I mean, where do you find an extra $32,000? If we're only there. And the last new swing. I'm sorry? The last new swing. This year, maybe not next year. Dealing it out. I think on the recreation, the town, I think it's maybe even a year ago was in discussion with a college and maybe a private school about a larger scale renovation at Powits. Are those discussions ongoing or have they sort of like cooled off for lack of a better way to put it? That certainly did not come up in our discussions this year. And so I can't I can't say whether there is still any ongoing discussion that certainly, you know, the request was what you see on the table on slide 23 didn't indicate that there was any external funding or, you know, participation that was expected at this point. So it sounds like if they haven't gone away completely, they certainly aren't aren't that active. Sorry, we were told. I think there was initially a lot of discussion with Leslie University and I think as they started to look at their numbers, they pulled back some. I think we're still interested in doing something in poets, but the initial enthusiasm over that plan led to some full feet. And we're still looking at ways that I think we're still are interested in doing something there. We just don't have a viable plan at this point. Any other questions? All right. Moving along, we'll cover libraries. The administration certainly covers that portion of our budget. So I'll be covering the library projects. As you know last year, this was a hot topic and it remains a hot topic for this year in light of the master plan and the next years at the building. The slide that you see there shows the popularity of the libraries and also the fact that the internet with its free information did not put the libraries out of business. The only thing that the internet did is just change the way that Arlington libraries do business. Specifically, we have around a hundred machines or pieces of equipment such as laptops, Chromebooks, printers, scanning devices that are free for the matrix use. Also, I have learned today an interesting fact. Specifically, the library offers some non-traditional tools to support the complex interests and hobbies of the patrons of the other Tonyans. These are sewing machines, kitchen gadgets and other tools that people are interested in. N. P. A. Nicolai provided statistics to prove the high demand for the library services. In 2019, we had over a thousand visitors per day and the reports showed that Arlington libraries had the highest, sixth highest circulation among the 43 libraries in the Miniman Library Network. We were the ninth highest statewide and the fifth highest statewide in children program attendance after Boston, Cambridge, Springfield and Newton. We've also seen an increase in the teen room use and that was increased the library staff reported that they found more than 50 teams in a space that was designed just for the 30, for 30 teams. If you remember last year, we cited the library staff who said that they find teams in every nook and cranny, including under the staircase. It's still the case. The libraries are overcrowded and they've also they've also recorded a large influx of Gibbs students at the Fox Library. We've also learned recently that from the master plan that the family with children in Arlington increased to 48 percent in the past 15 years. The public meeting rooms have been very popular also and the increased 80 percent of the past decade. All these boards and committees and volunteer groups and commissions are enjoying the free space and the competing for the spaces. This is a wordy slide, but I'm just going to highlight the main points. The library is only requesting $52,000 to buy equipment for the for the library to be in compliance with the MLN technology standards. This includes laptops, printers, software packages, security and antivirus software. As you know, our libraries are part of the minimum library network, which includes 43 members, 43 communities. And the main benefits of being a member are the access to the ML and British collection. We also derive value from having access to a wider world of resources and the reports and statistics that the network provides custom reports to evaluate the library services. And the last slides provide an update of the large building constructions. The first one is the Robbins library, which we plan on renovating it and putting an addition. We have updated costs. The new costs of the Robbins is $13.15 million. The design was pushed to fiscal year 23. And the cost, the new cost is $1.15 million. And the new construction cost is scheduled for fiscal 25. And it is anticipated to be $12 million. This includes the OPM of 500, the fit out 1.5 and an estimated 100,000, the cost of moving. We do not have updates on the Fox library as there's still a lot of questions that need to be answered. We kept the fiscal year $19. The total estimated cost of the project is $7.82 million. We pushed the construction beyond fiscal 25. But the design work is scheduled for fiscal year 24 in the amount of $680,000. Like I said, we still have questions that need to be answered, which is, can we explore the mixed use and the related funding models and how could the library maximize the site's potential? Next. This is just a summary of the potential investments. We went over the numbers. But it's worth mentioning that we do have additional funding sources in addition to the capital plan funds. We have, as you know, a lot of groups and commissions and a lot of volunteers dedicated to raise money to continue the operations and improve the operations of the library. We have the Friends of Fox, Friends of Robins, the Little Fox Shop, and we also going to be eligible for the MBLC Grand Reimbursement. We have two libraries to build, but only one is going to be eligible for the grant. Although these two projects are major and it seems like we'll be spending a lot of money, we also have to keep in mind that it's really not excessive compared to other municipalities. We looked at Medford, who spent 34 million dollars in Medford Public Libraries, and they had a reimbursement of 34,000 from MBLC. And Wuburn spent 31 million dollars in their libraries, and they got 31 percent reimbursement from the grant. You just said 3,000, 4,000? 34 million was what they spent, but you said they reimbursed 34 percent. Did I say that? Yes. 34 million and 34 percent. I'm worried about our patroller that gets these things mixed up. Who blows decimal points? Roundy-Gear. And Wuburn spent 31.5 million dollars with 31 percent reimbursement. We're not going to use the phrase close enough for government work in this presentation. All right. So when do you anticipate that you'd actually be putting a bond authorization in front of us? Fiscal, you know, two years from now? Look, Fox. Well, on the Robbins, the first big one. So it looks like two years from now? I don't think it's 25, right? No, it's 23, but it's on his kitchen. Wasn't the notion that we would ban that and then bond the full amount come in 25? Yes, I think we moved it out because we're not, we don't have enough detail yet. I just wondered when this committee in town meeting will be actually looking at a bond authorization for this project? Will it be next year or will it be the year after? I think at this point, we don't have an answer for you. And it could be next year, but we have more work to do. Any other questions? Christine? The construction, will there, will, we need to move books out of either or both of these libraries, and if so, where are we putting them? During the construction library, Robbins will stay open, and there will be minimal time when, downtime, when the library will not be open for the visitors, for the residents. Fox library, we don't have any plans. We don't have concrete plans in place. Do you know whether you'll need to move books out of either of those buildings during construction? We were also, we were thinking about the possibility of getting some modulars to move some of the equipment and books into the modulars, but again, like I said, we don't have concrete plans in place. We've allocated roughly $100,000 for the change, for the temporary change. Okay, Arif? So I have a question, and I'm just gonna put it out there. I'm not sure there's an answer to it, so there's something for my thinking kind of back in the community and thinking about this. Is there a framework to think about return on this investment? I mean, one of the things, the slide you started with was the amount of people attending, coming to the library, the usage number, et cetera, so being sort of a numbers geek as well. I'm just starting to think. How do you guys think about it? Is there a framework around that? And you mentioned some other towns and the number, the amount of capital they've spent and so forth, so have they calculated it? Is there a benchmark? I don't know about other towns, but I believe we measure our return on investment based on people's satisfaction and the services that we can provide to the residents of Arlington because that's why you pay quite taxes to have great services. So I guess we measure it in terms of services and satisfaction. No, it's hard to measure it in dollars. Alan? Well, this is more of a comment about the usage of the library that isn't really spelled out here and I just learned about recently speaking with some people who live in Kusak Mountains in the summer, it gets really hot and there's really no air conditioning, so they use the library as a cooling center. Apparently a lot of people in town without air conditioning flocked to the library for cooling, so I'm hoping during the renovations there's space for people to hang out during the hot days as they get increasingly hot. And maybe the new community center will also, the plans I've seen to the community center also may have more casual gathering places comfortable with sofas and tables and things. It can also be used for cooling centers. But I think that to some people it's a very important role, which isn't really mentioned. I guess this will be addressed, will all be addressed in the feasibility study. Yeah, so I'm just hoping that function is considered because that was important to me. It's not just reading books, it's just a comfortable place if you're living in a place that has no air conditioning. Okay, any other questions or comments? I bet Sandy didn't tell you when he was interviewing for this job that part of it is talking about libraries. Okay, next? All right, passing over to Chris to talk about the DPW. So we approved the DPW in town meeting in 2019, so we're not adding anything to that, but this is just an update on where the project stands. We hired a construction manager at risk in January. And so things should be going out to bid later this year. Right now we're still kind of in the early stages of figuring out what's the cash flow gonna look like and all that, so that we don't have that kind of detail for you yet about this project. Go to the next slide. We do have what we presented at town meeting and before this committee last time around about how we expected it to be financed. It's about 32.2 million in total, a split between the capital plan and the water sewer fund. The exact split will probably vary a little bit as they finalize the plans and figure out how much of this building is really being used by the water sewer function. That's the reason that the funding is split up this way. The capital plan component is scheduled as a 30 year bond and should the, and at least planned at this point that it would be level payment, which means that that bond's gonna be sticking around with us costing the same amount for 30 years. And that particular choice to put this in the capital plan and fund it this way means that it adds to our, it reduces our flexibility in the future. And that's something that we're already starting to see. The kinds of impact that has on us as we try to fit in other new projects. Yeah, go ahead. Another thing that we wanted to talk about was the public works or a department of public works is roads. This is a map from the 2019 road quality survey. Essentially the blue and the green roads are in very good condition. Yellow is kind of what they call fair. And that's about the average for the town. And then the yellow and orange roads are the roads that are in rough shape. If you're trying to find your house on here, just note that East is up on this map. So it's a little confusing. A little bit awkward, yeah. I tried rotating it the other way as I cut some of the other problems. Anyway, so that survey is used, surveys all of the roads in town and it's used to prioritize how the maintenance is done. Go to the next slide. There are about 96 and a half miles of roads that the town is in charge of maintaining. The average condition is a 79 on the scale that these folks use, which they call fair. But one of the things that's awkward is we've been spending roughly speaking about a million and a half dollars a year on road maintenance. They anticipate with their model, which includes the rate at which roads are decaying as well as increase in costs, that if we continue to do that, we will see a steady deterioration in our road quality. And that if we want to maintain the level we're at today, that's gonna cost something more like $2 million a year. We are not able within the 5% limit at this point with all the other things that are in the plan able to reach that level. So the current plan that we're putting before you tonight increases the funding to an average of $1.7 million per year, a little bit short of what is required according to the consultants to maintain our current quality. Yeah. Why not just recommend increasing it to $2 million? Well then we have to cut some nails. So we tried to find a way to fit it all in and that was the choice we came up with. It gets us closer and maybe eventually we begin. Right. And yet that's the hope is that over time we can figure out a way to get closer to that too. And of course that $2 million will aspect over time as well as building costs increase. Okay, any other questions? Okay. Right now to the schools. So as Sandy mentioned earlier, the high school project is funded by an exempt debt, which means it's not in the capital plan but it's an important project so we wanted to include it here. Probably know there was a specific budget for this because it was in the debt exclusion vote and the estimates had come in the design higher than that. So the building committee was able to close that gap and they did it without jeopardizing any of the educational needs. And then we just wanted to include here, this is the reminder for the timeline and that it is expected, the first phase is expected to start this month in March. And so for the non-exempt capital plan items, there was about 24 requests and this slide is just going to summarize some of the more notable items that were substantial in the investments for the schools. The first one was we established a vehicle replacement plan for the student transportation and facility vehicles. So it'll be a 10 year plan replacing the oldest vehicles first on a rotating basis. This year we replaced two student vehicles and one facilities vehicle with the intentions of changing some of the facilities vehicles to vehicles that can handle snow removal and moving around snow so that we don't have to do contracting now. The other is major investments in Audison. On that plan we're doing an HVAC, roof top replacement and for, there's been some issues with the elevators, the elevator at the Audison and due to accessibility issues for our students with special needs, we do need those of the elevator online. And so we have requesting funds for the additional investment and repair for the elevator and then as well as a lift, purchasing a new lift from the school that will reach a particular area of that building and as well as to improve safety at the Audison that has requested additional funds for the exterior step repair. And so we're also looking to invest in our ask for funds for investing in the equipment for instructional purposes. These would be computers in the classroom that all students would use and faculty and this is an annual request of about 400,000. And lastly, one of the notable things is as we talked about the playgrounds, we had funds allocated in the FY20 plan that were not sufficient. So this year we need additional funds to get these projects wrapped up after we have already invested time in designing and working with the community on giving these projects completed. The hardy playground for one is the rare portion was originally implemented in 1991 and the equipment is there's not enough equipment there for the enrollment population that's using the equipment plus the community use as well as the coding changes using a different kind of surface material that's substantially more expensive than using wood fibers for safety purposes when children fall. That is also the reason why as well as moving a laptop from the heating that would happen at the hardy playground. Any questions in regards to those topics? Feel free to answer those. Are there any questions? School programs. All right. So we had to figure out is what I would call the things that keep us up at night. And we wanted to sort of, we've heard these before we want to sort of summarize them here and note that we don't have solutions but we are weighing the pros and cons and the cost of the benefits and trying to figure out how we will address these. So you heard from Joe and from Michael about playgrounds. And so we have both town and school playgrounds and we have a sort of an informal division of payment for those with the Community Preservation Act Committee where the CPA is taking care of town playgrounds for the most part and we're taking care of school playgrounds. As you've heard a couple of times now with the bids for hardy and Pierce came in quite a bit higher than the initial estimates. And that's a combination of higher code requirements plus escalating costs and quite possibly increased demand in terms of what the features are. So we have as one of our activities to work together with the CPA as well as the schools and recreation department to come to a meeting of minds on two things really of sort of a maximum reasonable renovation budget. You can ask for the moon and you can't always get the moon. And also to really plan out the schedule for renovations and make sure that we're able to we hope to keep within that budget, keep up with the playgrounds and not having to deteriorate in the process. Libraries, you've heard about libraries. The renovation and rebuild costs are high and together with other major expenditures like the DP, it's already happened and will be a significant part of our get-servicing going forward, the library costs would constrain the capital plan in the out years. And in particular, the Fox site is the one that's really uncertain for us right now. We're not sure about what's going to happen with the site. I mean, Robbins were talking about a renovation. Fox is much more of a tear down and rebuild. And it's currently a one-story building. There's of course a lot of talk about zoning and whether we would build a multi-story building there, multi-use building, would it be housing? Would it be commercial? So that's very uncertain. That's part of why when Edo is talking about, we don't even have a number and it's in the out years beyond the five years of this plan, it may pop into the plan next year but that's quite uncertain. But it would be a lot of money. DPW, you heard about the roads and how the roads are recommended $2 million per year and we're not quite there yet. Although we did increase it over our past practice. In theory, we need to find another $300,000 per year which could be taken from a lower priority. That's, again, a prioritization question that's some hard choices. The high school. The high school is not a direct impact on this budget because it's the exact debt. And our higher debt level is still within our state guidelines for what the town is allowed to or recommended to borrow. We don't see, and it will stop me if I'm wrong but I have not heard anything about the current level of debt of the high school being likely to harm the town's credit rating or make our borrowing more expensive. Like theory impact that we see to the capital plan though is because there had been some value engineering as Angela mentioned in order to keep us within our $290.8 million cap. So for example, you've probably heard that the bike path connector was removed. The prioritization there was on not impacting the educational mission and so some of these other, highly desirable, nice to have but ultimately, cuttable things were cut. I can imagine that at some point we may hear some people coming to us and saying, could we find some money in the capital plan to restore the connector? So this is something that we have to think about as a potential add in future years. And I can honestly hear as well, this is likely to be the last school, this is the last school that will need to be rebuilt. There was a renovation that was done in 98. It's still very much showing its age. Michael mentioned that there's some projects that extend the useful life of the school into this decade and keep it safe. But it will be a big cause. It's gonna be too expensive to finance within our plan even with the MSBA contributing. That would be something that happens after the high school is done. We'll get back in line for MSBA, I believe. And we'll need a debt exclusion for that. No direct impact to this plan, but it will add to the town debt. And I mentioned this because in theory, if you need to go over the 5% rule, you can so to speak solve that by asking for debt exclusions. But in practice, we should stay within the 5% rules as much as we possibly can because you keep on burdening taxpayers with these exclusions and that's getting tougher and tougher. So we have no solutions, but we're thinking about it. And we are very mindful of the growing demands and how it's tight to keep it all to fit inside the 5% rule. That inspiring rundown. Take any questions? Yeah, okay, Bill. Bill Keller, I wonder if you might address a little bit about the term of recent asymmetric jump in assessments. Recently asked because our subcommittee recently met with the Susser's office. What's sort of my take is that there's always been an asymmetric nature to assessments. Number of sales, how they're spread out to different districts. They can skew things one year, not another year. But I'm not really familiar with the term recent asymmetric jump. Is there something recently that's happened? Yeah, I think I don't know that last year was exceptional, but I think there was a lot of perception that it was. A lot of people were talking about, oh look, for example, I happen to know that Kelvin Manor was particularly hard hit, apparently. And people saw their assessments going up by 20% or more. And when the, I think the average was something in the five to 10% range. And so people seeing that and hearing that their friends across town had a 0% increase. I understand it's driven by property transactions, but people still see that and wonder if they're being hit harder and it can create friction within different parts of the town. That's all I'm talking about. Other questions? All right, so just, sorry, yeah. Wondering about, for example, road maintenance, which of course, virtually everybody in this town puts their car over these roads. And just an observation without looking at it. But those seem to be essential. Libraries, especially maybe renovation of a fox, that quite is essential. So it's just an initial observation for what it's worth. But that's the reason the library plans have been pushed back from what was originally requested. Yeah, I think the other reality of the roadways is that it's an easy, unfortunately it's an easy thing to sort of right size because if you can do 1.8, you can do 1.7, you can do two. In terms of what you can put out, whereas a building, if it costs $8 million that sort of costs $8 million, and so it's easier when we're balancing the plan, it's often easier to adjust things by, well, take a cut on the roadways. And that would not be the right thing to do, but it's a simpler adjustment to this. I think that building only, I think to a building, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's easy to put off and then you sort of end up with a Belmont situation. Right, I don't want to go there. Okay, one thing I was just gonna throw out there. I don't know how we could do this, but in other towns, there are ways to bring in businesses that then pay taxes, that then can be used to do development. Any of the places in Arlington, like maybe Poets Corner, that could be used to put off a space, have we ever considered, I don't know that's even the finance place, or just throwing it out there as an idea. Could we, so I'm thinking of Burlington, because I'm in the education space, and I know that Burlington has an amazing high school, and it's because they have a law. So we could bring in more tax dollars from the corporate space, we would solve some of our problems. I guess I served on the master plan, I served on the master plan advisory committee, and currently serve on the master plan implementation committee. All I'd say is just that that was certainly a big topic of discussion for the development of the master plan several years ago, and I think one of the two realities are that the town has limited, developable space that's, you know, so even if people were willing to consider sort of rezoning that would enable that, it's still a very limited percentage of the town's space, and there's a lot of competing demands for that, and then the town does not have a differential tax rate for commercial versus residential. Obviously there's other reasons why commercial has different tax implications and different expense implications than additional residential, but the ability to attract businesses that would generate the type of tax revenue was sort of felt to be challenged, and particularly the, there's only really one site, the MIRAC site that's large enough to really do a significant development on at this point without sort of really looking at a really significant change in land use. Well the Mugar site was, I guess, is so challenged environmentally that we didn't actually consider that other than the proposals that's been put forward, but like I said, in theory, again, it's an active use, but the, and there's a lot of complexities to the ownership of that land, but the, you know, the MIRAC site is large enough that if the dealership were to, seems to be there or they decided to sell out, that's a large enough site to put, you know, significant, quick, misuse development. Other than that, there aren't really any sort of contiguous sites in the land assembly process would be extremely complicated for anything else. You mentioned Poe's corner, and that's interesting is because that's one of the few sites that I can think of that is easy to get to. That's another constraint that we have in our town is that, and I do this on my commute, and many of you may as well try to get in and out of town from route two, this challenge. Couple of bottlenecks that we can go in and out of, and that makes attracting new commercial development, even if we had sites for it challenging. Okay, Brian. Personally, I think the roads are in a visible condition. Would this committee- It's fair, it says that. I know. I know. I just tell me one thing, my ears tell me something different. It's on a curve. Would this committee support a specific override on an annual basis for $300 or $400,000 a year to get to that number, $2 million? Because I think that would, people would go for that in a second, and it's short change. So we haven't taken a formal vote as a committee. I would certainly raise it at our next meeting, for example. Yes. Belmont, which probably has the worst roads in the state, put forth an override for exactly that. I can't remember the exact cost, but to literally rebuild the roads. It failed. We used to do it in Hamilton for $1 million a year, and it's definitely the year it was ever in. It's people know who it was for and in general, they support it. Okay, any other questions? Sorry, one more parochial question as a resident of Lake Street. I think at the beginning you talked about like the Lake Street lighting, or so there, I think a couple years ago, there was a plan for the bike path and what other sites. Well, one of the items that was currently in progress this year from coming out of last year's capital plan is to, how should I say, do something about that intersection between the bike path and Lake Street with a new signal, yes. Okay, Peter, did you have a question? Yes. I think that your committee should think a little bit about using the boasting about the 5% rule. The actual amount of money being spent on buildings is much more than 5%. Because it's exempt. So when you say 5%, some people will say, how can that be? Mm-hmm. You explained it very carefully what you mean by it, but I don't think the bottom line comes across as honestly as it might, helping to think about it. What are we actually spending? Including the exempt money? Yeah. Interesting. Sometime when you have nothing else to do, you might want to run that calculation just for curiosity. Okay, any other questions? Yeah. I've been harping on this a little bit, so Sandy and Phyllis, that prior exempt debt has sort of will be coming down over a period of time. And at one point, it might even be this year or next year, it drops a bit more. And so I just want to be reassured that you're going to fill out that drop when you do your bonding so it's as smooth as possible. We are considering that. I mean, it is, we're watching. Okay. We don't want to have spikes. Yeah, we don't want it down and then back up again. Even if you sell a band and then pay it off, you could fill up that hole. Yes, we're watching the structure. Okay, great. Thank you. Charlie. Yes, I think there's an answer to Peter's question about how much is this spent on exempt. If you go back to reconciliation at town, by the slide that on page 10, that Sandy addressed, the second line down, so it's the adjustment for exempt debt service. So that's the amount that's being spent against exempt borrowers on an annual basis. And it's runs of, this year it's four million. It's going to go down to three million in fiscal year 225, not including the high school. So that's, if you think back to the, there's another slide there where the team where I was talking about where we have approximately a $10 million a year spent. It's about 30% more. That's exempt. We're not net, I think to the general public that would be considered not negative. I didn't say it was negative. I'm just saying that it's on the slide. It's not something that is not available. Yes, I know. I think Peter's point is it's not spelled out as a five percent rule. And then we have an additional, doing the math in my head, one half percent that's going to pay for this stuff too. But that's paid for, that's out there because the voter is voted for. Yes, exactly. I mean, so it's not something that's a town meeting. Right. As made on the town. What I was saying before on the issue slide was that, so the safety valve, so to speak, is to say, well, we have too many requests here and it doesn't all fit in the five percent rule. Is there the political will to have an override, excuse me, a day exclusion to pay for that? And we have done that particularly for the schools. There's no way you could possibly fit the high school into this plan. But it does mean that the costs are, not just the five percent rule. Okay, John. To Peter's point about communicating to the public about actual spends, I think maybe when you're communicating about the cost of playgrounds now basically doubling, you could communicate to town meeting members and put that at the feet of the unfunded mandate that the state passed to use these new surfaces because I was pretty closely involved in the Hardy School development. And what you said is exactly right, the capital planning had a figure in their head and then there's a new mandate that you have to use these surfaces and everything doubled because wood chips aren't apparently good enough anymore. So the states creating these regulations, the town taxpayers are paying for it. So to the extent that people in town meeting are politically active and need to let their representatives know that if they're gonna pass requirements that we have to double the cost of every playground they might wanna consider providing funding to help us do that. Any other questions or comments? Oh, Annie. We thought about the possibility of figuring out whether or not there's a good rule of thumb for what should be a rule of thumb about the max exempted debt service we ought to have. Am I making any sense? Yeah, you are. Because there's other projects besides the schools that the debt exclusion might make sense for if we could explain our philosophy about it. I think the 5% rule on ground law, it's easy to explain that to a resident who says, well, why don't we just not buy police cars? The answer is, look, we need to invest a certain amount out of that. We limit it, even in good years, it doesn't go over this and in bad years, we have some flexibility, da-da. We had a similar rule about exempted debt service and we could figure out something that makes sense. It might be an easy way to explain to people how projects roll on and off of that list. And then I have one other thought for you, which is that I think the Fox Library is a place where the idea of public-private partnership really makes a lot of sense and there are many, many, many non-profit affordable housing developers, not just HDA, but larger organizations who would be great partners for this kind of thing and wouldn't see a library in the first quarters of birth. So, just food for thought. Yeah, it's been raised in a very, I would say, nebulous way so far, because we're so far out from getting any details on that. And as we get closer to that and as studies progress, we probably get there, but we're not there yet. Charlie? I would just like to make a comment about the idea of an annual override for capital purposes or whatever.  And as a result, and oftentimes, as Alan mentioned before in certain towns, they are unpredictable. And one of the objectives of the capital planning process is predictability and having the town management staff have expectations that they think can be fulfilled as they plan ahead. So, I am very skeptical about that idea. I wasn't thinking of actually holding an override every year, but just of having a number in our head that is, you know, like if we peek out at, say, $6 million a year of exempt debt service, as that rolls off in our own thinking, be thinking about, okay, the next project that comes along that can't be done within the 5%, well, we have a little capacity here that won't be seen as a huge jump in taxes since taxes are coming down. I don't know, it's a very unformed thought, but it's not the idea of an annual override in Charlie at all, more like a capacity limit. In the last year's capital report, if my memory serves me right, there is a, it's either the last year or the year before, there is a forecast of exempt debt service and the impact of the high school on it. And that says that when the high school comes on, that's not gonna be any roll-on for a long time. Right. Yeah, it's a big number. Okay. Okay, any other comments or, okay, so you're gonna be asking to- Right, let me just peek ahead too, it's in those figures. First, we need to do talk about prior borrow, so over to Phyllis. So the items that are listed on this slide for that we're asking to tell me to consider sending authorization for, the first two are from last, they were requested last year in the capital plan, the boilers for the rink. And that structure was based on direction that we have received from the recreation department that those boilers were in need of repair. Sooner rather than later. And when the facilities department met with recreation this year in terms of, prior to the bond issue that we did, it was determined that those boilers could last probably another three years or more. So we are asking that the time meeting consider sending that authorization and then we will incorporate it into a future capital plan. The second item, the 125,000 was, it was determined that that project wasn't as well defined as we thought it was. And so we are removing that from the capital plan. And so we're asking that you support our request to time meeting to ever send that amount as well. And the big ticket item, the million dollars is what remains from the authorization for the Stratton school renovation. You may remember from last year's town meeting that we moved some money from the modular portion to pay for the, that was remaining from the modular borrowing and we used that to pay for the cost which left for the cost of the Stratton renovation. So that left a million dollars that we no longer need to borrow. And so we would ask that time meeting to send that authorization as well. I just have to ask, as a Stratton parent, a long time Stratton parent, did the entire Stratton project happen and those modulars just cost a million dollars less than we expected? This is not from the modulars. And that was, it was just money that remained in the modulars. So I don't have the number off the top of my head. It wasn't, I don't remember from last year, but we moved, I thought it was around 100,000 dollars from the modulars to pay for the Stratton renovation. And this money has not been borrowed and it was determined that we didn't need to borrow it. So like 100,000 from the modulars went to the project and then the money that was authorized just wasn't needed for the project. Okay, John? The 150 that you think you'll need to spend in three years for their rink boiler, that wasn't on the capital plan that I saw. You only had two items for the rink. 150. Last year.  Possibly. It's not on the plan, that's correct. Is there a reason for that? Was it just oversight or what? I don't think it was oversight as much as, we're hoping that we will have a better definition of what kind of boilers are needed and the numbers that we had just didn't make sense. So instead of changing the number and estimating three years out, we wanted to bring a number that was meaningful in terms of what actually was required to meet the need. What's with one of those boilers already replaced though? Two years ago, when Joe was still here, I'm pretty sure they replaced one of them. There were some that were replaced. I don't know if these are them or not. These were requested, and in fact, these may have been those boilers. If I think there was one that they felt like they had the wrong type of boiler in there, like it was a residential boiler and not a commercial boiler, hence the reason we need row numbers that are meaningful. Yeah, I think between the turnover at the recreation department and the facilities department, I think there may have been some confusion about what was really needed. And we seem to have come to the conclusion that for the short term, we don't need to do anything and we'll reevaluate, like Phyllis said. So time management and the recreation department are fine with rescinding this issue? Yes. Any other questions? Just on the rescission of prior borrowing, okay? Paper breach. So this is the punch slide. We, as Sandy referenced in the slide, one of the first slides that he went over for us, that we have cash remaining from some projects that we are using to build this capital budget. We also have some money that remains from bond issues that were actually borrowed and those projects have closed out. And so the total we're asking to reappropriate is 1,116,048. Last year, we asked for a reappropriation for borrowed money that was 872,000. And so we're asking again that you approve this and I'm gonna walk through the slides that show how we're going to recommend it because as you may recall, we are required to map reappropriation of borrowed funds so that they match the same term or longer. Any capital cash you'll sit there. Questions? So on the next slide, we have the total of $258,411. And those are projects that we had borrowed. As you can see, the meeting date for these operations are listed here. And those are grouped that way because we are skip forward to the next page. We're looking to use some of the most of that money for sidewalk and ramp construction. And so the fourth slide is where we're showing these amounts to be reused. And the next group that equals the 472,964 are buildings. Please just make sure right on the right slide, slide three now. Three, yes. I'm looking between three and four, I'm sorry. It's okay. So those are grouped because those are buildings that we, that are more than 20 years. And so we've moved that amount of money so that we could map it easily to light issues. The light issues are the Woodham or Robbins, Kupala, Henry, yes, I'm on four, sorry. The Dallin Roof, the Parmenter HVAC upgrade, which I think Sandy referenced, and the Community Center construction, they had originally asked for an additional appropriation of 250,000. And so we're going to use this, these bond proceeds that we're remapping to pay for those instead of bond. And the last group is, the last, the Thompson is separate because that's an exempt project that was voted. And so we have to use that money on another exempt project or we have to talk to the state about adjusting our schedules to the DOR. So, and since we have a need at the high school, that's where we would like to recommend a vote for you. I'm assuming that if I take all those numbers, that equals $1,116,048.95. Yes, sir, it does. Okay. Okay, questions on this? Round it to the nearest penny. Absolutely, we want to close these accounts out and be able to spend them more timely way. Okay, I think what I'd like to do now is actually discuss and vote on these two issues because otherwise we're just piling, you know, one thing on another that can get confusing. So, if we could go back to the three rescission items and just briefly discuss and vote on those and then go to the next one and take those one at a time. Dean? I move that we go for a little action. 1,275,000 show on slide 38 and up to the next second. It's okay. Okay, that's moved to the second. Is there any questions at all already discussion? Okay, all those in favor of rescission of those three items, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, so unanimous 3,420. Okay, now let's take the reapportionment. I mentioned to Phyllis and I assume it's been 10 years now but cash cannot just, especially borrowed cash, cannot just sit there under federal. It's got to go through. So, at this point we're looking to take 1,116,048,95 of cash that has already been borrowed, correct? That's correct. And reapportion it towards those items that they, at the bottom of page 21. Dean? I move that the sum of 1,116,048,95 be transferred from amounts previously appropriate and borrowed under the articles shown on slides 39,40, from 39,40,41 to amount shown on slide 42. Second? Second. Discussion or questions? Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, unanimous. Okay, that's great. By the way, Phyllis, I've always been to ask you if you finally got to meet your office straightened out after taking it over from your predecessors. We're very organized. Okay. We had a good start. Okay. All right, see you guys. I'm Mr. Chair. Okay, and yes. Phyllis? Oh, Phyllis. I'm sort of calling it a turn here, but there is an article that is on the draft warrant for authorization and an appropriation of bond premiums. Can I speak to you about that? It's, I'm a pair to talk about it now, but I know that capital planning commitments before it is noted. Okay, can we just finish with the capital and then that'd be fine. Now the transfer of $10,000 from perpetual care, if I remember correctly, we already voted that last time. Peter? Well, we'll take care of it anyway. So, Dan? I moved them, we voted to trade for $10,000 from perpetual care to the capital budget. Exactly. Okay. Any discussion? Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Bows. Okay, we might have just done it twice. That's okay. Okay, so now we have the recommended vote. Yes. Okay. Sandy? Okay, slide 44, which you should all have a, a single page handout, it looks like this. Which replaces. The night goes on, the numbers just get smaller. We all need a glass. Four, three, and four slides. Right. Anybody can do it with three or four slides. We're going to do it with one. So, what goes on with your authorization vote is that you were saying that we are going to authorize repayment of otherwise known as debt service for all the bonds that we have issued or anticipate issued in the coming year, FY21. And if you look at that number, on the middle of the page here, it is 13,436,932 dollars of general fund debt service. We've broken out this vote differently from the way it's been broken out in past years. In past years, everything was all jumbled together and then sort of disaggregated in a way that many of us found challenging. So what we did on this sheet is we, in the top section at what water and sewer debt is, that's voted in the water and sewer debt budget. RIC, that's voted in the RIC budget. Recreation debt that's voted in the recreation enterprise fund budget. And then general fund is what you're voting tonight. The other number that you're voting on tonight is near the bottom of the page, the 4,329,512 dollars in cash. That is part of the cash that makes up the 5%. And I just wanted to point out maybe for Peter's benefit because we referenced it a previous slide before. Eda and I worked to reconcile these numbers over the last couple of days because we realized that the way the chart used to read and mush things up a certain way didn't work anymore and we had to come up with new numbers. The other thing is that this capital plan, I told you before, we take snapshots in time. And the snapshot that we took to build this was from the fall, but we had to update that when Phyllis sold debt in December. This reflects that new updated amount of debt, exempt debt really mostly. And that's why Peter, if you compare the amount of debt that is exempted, the information you have on that five year chart is outdated, we're happy to give you new updated information if you want to do the calculations. But I just wanted to point out, if you're looking at old handouts and new handouts, that's why the numbers are different. The bottom line is in order for us to have the legal authority to spend this money to repay our debt and to buy things with cash, we need your vote on these two numbers. So the only two numbers that we need to specifically vote on is the general fund debt off appropriation, which will include all that exempt and non-exempt and the cash 4 million, 329. Correct, correct, okay. And you and Alan are gonna have this all straightened out with the whole budget by April 15th. Absolutely, okay, just want to make sure. Okay, questions. Peter. I guess that means that the budget's gonna reflect this, this kind of tally. Yes, it will. Good idea. Other questions? Brian. What's the capital carry forward sign, 1,097? That is some of that re-appropriated money, the re-used money, you both re-use cash and re-use prior debt authorization. Is that any relation to what we just voted? Yes, it's within that part of that 1,097 is some of the debt money that you just voted. Okay, so we're gonna have the total debt and the total cash and then we're gonna vote those numbers because that's what we're actually gonna spend and then we'll have further say down minus this, this, this, this, this, including carryover and such for a net impact on the town budget, which will fit into the whole picture. Okay, any other questions, Dean? Oh, I move that the phonics committee approve the fiscal year 2020 or capital budget as described by Sandy Cooler as shown on our handouts and also as shown on the screen in front of us. Do I have a second? Second. Okay, discussion, questions. This is why we spend the whole day on this vote because it gets a little complex sometimes. There it is, critical. Okay, all motions been made and seconded. Basically, we're voting this page but the key numbers are the darkened numbers for total debt and total cash. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, favorable action, unanimous 3, 4, 20. 3, 4, 20. Okay, any other questions you wanna ask the capital budget, Dean? So it's not a question, it's not really a motion to vote on maybe the class but so obviously we have new leadership on the capital planning committee which means we have retired leadership on the capital planning committee and Charlie has been the only chair I've ever known on the capital planning committee and I do wanna say thanks to Charlie for his many years of service as both a member and a chair of the capital planning committee. His tireless advocacy for sound capital planning policies and practices which led to us meeting the needs of residents in all sorts of different ways through capital planning and then most importantly, his just tired advocacy at times over the years of both exempt and non-exempt spending was when we needed it. So, you know, we're not gonna vote and I'm gonna clap but thank you Charlie for your years of service. Thank you. I second the motion. Thank you. Hi, I have a question. Hi. Hi. Charlie. I'd like to move that we vote to endorse the five-year capital plan. Is that a five-year capital plan? Second. Any discussion? All those in favor, can we say aye? Aye. Opposed? That is done. Which by the way, since we haven't spoken about that, that's the next page. Just in case you haven't seen enough numbers, you've also received attachments that include the entire detailed capital plan. So, thank you for reviewing that as well. Okay, well, I would like to thank you. And thank you. Thank you all for coming. Thank you all for the work that you do. It is very much appreciated and all of you may leave except for Phyllis of course. She has to stay. She has to stay. And you're welcome to stay too. I'd be great if I answered it. Now, Phyllis, which article you interested in? Article 56. Oh, 56. You could all take out your warrants. Ah, authorization, appropriation, bond, premiums. Okay. So this article is for you and for town meeting. It has in our preparation of the special town meeting article last year to approve the high school. We, as you many of you know, the MSBA is very, very particular about the wording of these articles. And so that was the, that's the module that we got. That's the format that we got. They require all kinds of particular phrases relative to the relationship and the contract and the funding and the grant. And so in that process, even though many, many people looked at that article, we missed the phrase or the paragraph that allocates the premiums associated with the borrowing to be used to pay for that project. So this article is to, we have sold $56 million for the first phase of high school construction and design. So, and we had a premium of $2,960,000 $67,000 that remained, that we received from the sale of those bonds. And so they are in a reserve account pending a vote by town meeting to use that to help pay for the project. So it would reduce the optimization of the 2,198,851. And we'll also apply to the rest of the borrowings that we have learned to execute. So it's a housekeeping measure and that's why it's before you. Team. I move favorable action on article 56. Any discussion? Questions. Premiums used to be very simple, but they're not anymore. Okay, no further questions. All those in favor of favorable action on article 56, we say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, so could I be correct that we can take this warn article, rephrase it, voted that, and we'd be in good shape and take out the or any action related there too. Okay. That is the action. So I thank you for your vote. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate your staying. Thank you. Thank you. Team War. When you have your whole vote put together, which includes all the different sections, could you get it to Liz? Email it to Liz so she can insert it. If you could do it the next two or three weeks. Sure. Okay, I appreciate it. Very much appreciate it. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you. Okay. Thank you all. Okay, now on Monday, minute man is coming and they sent us all materials and if you have any questions on those materials, could you shoot them to Annie and she could shoot them to the superintendent so we can prepare some answers. Now, one question I'd like, now I just skimmed through it so maybe I just missed it. But when they had all the enrollments for next fiscal year, it came to 658 students versus 628, which was the planned enrollment or planned building capacity. Now, that still includes some students who are left over from out of district that includes Belmont, that includes the six towns that pulled out. So what I'd like to see is a projection is that whole thing goes forward. And I can't remember if he did this, but if the current member towns, which I think are nine, if we take out Belmont, project those ahead and see if we still have a full building. Because those out of districts are going away, Belmont's going away, the six towns are going away. Are we still gonna have a full building? I can answer part of that question. I will get actual data for you. But the freshman incoming class is over subscribed. They've had more applicants than they'll be able to take. They will be taking no out of district students into the freshman class. And they may be turning away in district students, depending. Yes. So he feels he will be able to fill that building to over capacity with in-district placements going forward. And he's facing that on projections of the size of eighth grade classes across the district going forward. But I'll tell him we should be positive to show that. I just wanna see that projected out. Absolutely. Because remember I asked the question, what happens if we get all these students? He basically said the 628, which is the building capacity, I could put more kids in there. How many more? I don't know. But maybe seven. Not as many as he thinks he could get enrolled. Okay. He's frustrated that we've only built the 628 first building. So if anybody has any more questions like that or anything else, shoot him to Annie. He's coming in on Monday. See if you can get him to Annie by Friday morning or something. I have a quick question. I can just verbalize it. Could he comment on whether there are restrictions based on staffing? Like, does he not have the budget to hire the teachers?  Space. Space. He's already got plans to make some small expansions for some purpose or something. Okay. Because I was thinking like, oh, even if I could get the space, like, you would need to appropriate this much money so I could get the teachers. That's a problem for me as a problem. Okay. This was a, I'd like to take the minutes. I'm sorry. When was the men's man? Monday. They're coming Monday. They sent it out last day. We got it. I don't think we got it yet. I don't think we got it yet. I think I got it this afternoon. Luis, did you send it out or did he? I didn't get it. Kenny, did you send it? I have not sent it yet, but I have it and I will send it. Okay. I might have been just on the list of the first people to get it. So if you can make sure that could shut out. Okay, great. Okay. Are there any other questions? Okay. Minutes. Do I have any corrections of the minutes? Dean. Yeah, on article seven, retirement, the last sentence. There are about seven. Sorry, yeah, seven. Retirement. It says there is some concern with the increased number of teachers. So it's actually the increased number of school support staff. Because teachers go into the mass teachers retirement system. The support staff comes to the town. I think teachers' aides are also under the pension system. That's why I met by support staff. Yeah. So Peter, just cross off teachers and say school support staff. Good, thank you. Okay. Any others? Okay, I just got a couple. Under paragraph eight, I think you could cross off the last sentence generally based on real time. I think you could cross off that last line because it's said it again after the court verifies the practice of other towns. So it's just redundant. So cross off generally based on real time internet research. You see what I mean, Peter? Yeah, I can't remember. I know what you mean and I understand, but I don't see the wording. Okay, article, paragraph eight. Yeah. The last line, the last two lines generally starts with generally. Oh, I see. Just cross that and members off. Okay. Paragraph 11. Paragraph 11, third line, will continue to be made up from, you've got two froms. That's really from. God, thank you. Okay, and then on the line before at the end, it says until then the policy will continue. I think it's clearer if you say until then cross off policy and say in the OPEP funding will continue to be made up from the three sources. Okay, then paragraph 16 is next. Next meeting. Afternoon. Next meeting is Wednesday the fourth, not Monday. Okay, any other corrections, Arif? On five, six, and seven, my name is spelled in correct. And so is Phenom. Hmm? Five, six, seven. Is that five? I'm missing an eye. Oh, no, the whole thing is wrong. The whole thing is wrong. A-R-I-A. I'll try harder. Sorry about that. Okay, any other corrections? Drive of motion on the minutes. Second? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, minutes are approved. Okay, on Monday we will have, Minuteman will be in and we'll be taking a voting on that. And then that usually takes about half. So hopefully we can finish up some more warrant articles and we can take care of more budgets. So any other business? Meeting adjourned.