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What's more, these ready-to-serve king-size kernels of premium wheat or rice are shot from guns to make them crisp and tender. They're delicious. Yes, try them. You'll say, here's the breakfast we like to eat. Quaker Pop Rice. Or Quaker Pop Wheat. At Mounted Police Headquarters in Whitehorse, two officers, Constable Drake and Corporal Jenkins, sat talking beside the big stove. The subject of their conversation, a big black dog, lay at the younger Mountie's feet and Constable Drake smiled down at him as he told Corporal Jenkins about him. Shadow's a little too big to use with the average dog team. What breed is he, anyway? He's half wolf and half Newfoundland. Shadow, that's certainly a good name for him. He never lets you out of his sight. You ought to meet Sergeant Preston. He's up in Dawson City. He has a dog that's just as faithful as Shadow. You mean King? Of course, I've heard of both of them. They're almost a legend in the Force. I'd like to see that dog of Preston's. They say he's a wonder. You'd have a lot in common with Preston. And maybe he'll get a trip north one of these days. And I doubt it. Until we clean up Soapy Smith's gang, we haven't enough officers here in Whitehorse. I'd like to have an assignment up there, though. It's a rough country, Drake. But it's interesting. Yeah, one of you officers come with me right away. I just found old Jim Patterson out in his cabin at the edge of town. He's dying out there. What's that? Somebody robbed him and must have gone off thinking he was dead. Jim Patterson? Well, of course, I'll be right with you, Jake.  You don't have to go. I'll go with you anyway. I like old Jim. Yeah, come along, Shadow. Is Jim conscious at all? He's trying to talk, but I didn't wait to get what he said. I headed straight for here. As the two men bent over Jim Patterson in the small cabin at the edge of town, they knew he was dying. The old prospector recognized Constable Drake and made a supreme effort to tell him something. Hey, the man... The man... Take it easy, Jim.  Were there two men? Yes. You... You know. I know them. The man... The man that kicked Shadow. Did he say the man who kicked Shadow? Yes. He means the other night in the Silver Dollar Cafe. Is that what you mean, Jim? He's nodding his head. That man is Jeff Gibson, and he had a half-breed with him called Moose. Are they the ones you mean, Jim? Yes. They... They robbed me. They... Jim. Jim. Is... Is he gone, Corporal? He's dead. Poor Jim. Why are these men he was talking about, Drake? They were newcomers in town. One of them bumped into me the other night when I went into the Silver Dollar Cafe. Shadow growled at him and he kicked him. Shadow would have torn him apart, but I caught him in time. I asked the bartender about them later, for rough-looking customers, and I got their names. Jim was sitting at a nearby table. Would you know the men if you saw them again? Of course. Uh-huh. Ali Inspector will probably give you the case. I'm going to ask for it. Jeff Gibson's gonna pay for this, and Shadow has a debt to settle with him, too. About a week later, up in Dawson City, Sergeant Preston of the Northwest Mounted Police entered the office of Inspector Grayson. Beside the Mountie, a big gray dog walked quietly and stood at Sergeant Preston's side as he stopped before the inspector's desk. Good morning, Sergeant. Morning, sir. Hello there, King. He always waits until I speak to him.  He's part of the force, sir, and has to obey regulations. I wish we had a dozen dogs like King. Sergeant, I'm putting you on a case with Constable Drake. He's coming up here from Whitehorse. Have you ever met him? Why, no, sir, I haven't. I've heard of him, though, from some of the officers who know him. Isn't he the one who has a big black dog that's rather unusual? Yeah, he's the man. I met him once in Whitehorse. I suppose the man told you about him because you have a lot in common. He likes dogs about as much as you do, and his dog, Shadow, is just about as faithful to him as King is to you. I heard the dog's half Newfoundland and half wolf, rather an unusual combination. Yes, I saw him. He has wolf ears and slanting gray eyes and long black hair. Well, but it isn't the dog we're supposed to be interested in. It's the men Drake is after. One, a half breed is known as Moose. The other is Jeff Gibson. Here's the description of them. It isn't very good. Gibson is a dangerous man, and Constable Drake will need help. He's never been in this part of the country. I'd like that assignment, sir. You're going south on your next patrol anyway, and I suggest that you continue on down to Selkirk. You'll probably meet Constable Drake on the way. Yes, sir. And keep an eye open for Jeff Gibson and Moose. They're in this part of the country somewhere. Constable Drake knows them by sight. We'll get them, Inspector. Only King. As Sergeant Preston proceeded south toward Selkirk, two men many miles away were headed north on the same trail. Jeff Gibson and Moose plotted along wearily on foot, carrying their packs on their backs. As they walked up a steep slope, Moose the half-breed stopped suddenly. Don't can go much more. Be tired. We'll camp at the top of this hill. I'm tired, too. Now, come on. It better our dogs get loose. I told you to fix the harness. It was all your fault. We'll get a team somehow. We'll lose time. Maybe murder police after us already. Ah, quit yapping. I'm not afraid of the murder police. Maybe Jim Patterson not die. Maybe him tell we rob him. Maybe you're crazy, too. There's the top of the hill. Better stop up here while we eat. We'll see the whole trail for miles. Look, down there. Dog team coming. Yeah, coming fast, too. Get behind that rock. Now, that's a big team. Just what we need. Wait a minute. What's wrong?  It isn't hitched with the team. Huh? It looks like that Monty's dog. The one that went for me in the cafe the other night. Look how big it is. You think maybe that Monty? I know it is. I'd know that black cur is anywhere. No wonder that's a big dog team. It's constable Drake. At least alone. We better hide off trail. Hide nothing.   We get caught. Nobody will find him. Get a good beat on him from here. You get him. Wait a minute.  You hit dog, too. Come on, Moose. We're getting ourselves a dog team of supplies. I'm not sure what's nice about Constable Drake to come along just when we need them. He didn't take you as this close on our trail. Maybe him not dead. Moose and Jeff hurried to the side of the fallen man. Jeff crouched and examined the bullet wound. Then looked up at Moose and grinned smugly. He's dead all right. I knew I didn't miss. We take team and go now. No. We're gonna bury him first. I don't want him found. You know what it would mean if they found a dead Monty. Ground too hard, Burriam. It'd take long time. We'll cover him with branches and snow. There's a shovel and pick on a sled. Say, wait a minute. Huh? I got an idea. Drake is just my size. What do you do? I'm gonna change clothes with him. You dress like Monty. Sure. It'll be a lot easier traveling as a Monty. And you can be my guide. We'll say we came all the way from Whitehorse chasing two criminals called Jeff Gibson and Moose. Nobody around here will even suspect us. Go on. Start getting branches and digging while I change clothes with him. Get that pick off his sled. We bury dog too. No. We gotta hurry before someone comes along. Nobody will worry about a dog. But a dead man is something different. Go on now. Hurry. Soft flakes of snow were falling as Sergeant Preston drove his dog team along the trail toward Selkirk the following day. He was accompanied by Gene Duquette, a trapper he had met on the trail at morning. Me? I am lucky to meet you, Sergeant. Them father and they are heavy to carry all the way to Selkirk. Glad to give you a lift, Gene. The snow keeps falling much longer. We'll be lucky to get there ourselves. We have made good time since morning. Yes. About time to stop and eat, though. What is wrong with Gene? You must see something off the trail there. What is it, boy? Snow's so heavy I can't see anything. He can go off trail. Let's see what it is. Where are you, King? There he is. There's a black dog lying there. Here, King.  That black dog. He is hurt now. It's too weak to get out. Hello there, fellow. Look. He has a bullet wound across his head. Yes. It does look as if a bullet had creased his skull. No. Steady, fellow, I won't hurt you. He finds himself a soft place to lie. These branches, all covered in snow. Yes. He doesn't seem to want to leave. He is a different looking dog. I have never seen one like that. This is if he might be part Newfoundland and part Wolf. Gene, this must be Constable Drake's dog. The man you're telling me about? The one you were to meet? Yes. Look, gray eyes, wolf ears, long black hair. Maybe that money he think he is dead and leave him. Constable Drake would never do that. The dogs are fat. Something must have happened to the Constable. Gene, we're going to see what's under this pile of branches. We'll continue our story in just a moment. I am thinking of something. Can you tell me what it is? Gee, it looks like we're going to play that swell game again. Boy, and all of us can play it, too. Right, kids. Remember, you just ask me questions. I'll answer right or wrong. And you see how quick you can guess just what it is I'm thinking of. Ready? Okay, let's see. Is it something famous? Right, you are, Billy. Gosh, it wouldn't be Quakerpuff wheat or Quakerpuff rice. We had that before. And it wouldn't be the gun that shoots him, either. Nope. Does it have anything to do with Quakerpuff wheat or Quakerpuff rice? Yep, very much so. Boy, this is tough. Well, here's a tip. What's your favorite color? Mine's red. Mine's blue. Hmm, red and blue. Does that remind you of anything? Oh, sure. The red and blue Quaker package. That's close, Sandra. Actually, what I'm thinking of in particular is something else right on the front of every package of Quakerpuff wheat and Quakerpuff rice. Oh, now, Billy, don't look so discouraged. Cheer up. Smile. Hmm? Gee, I got it. It's a smiling Quaker man on the package. Right, kids. I was thinking of the smiling Quaker man on the front of every package of Quakerpuff wheat and Quakerpuff rice. And when you fellas and girls want the swellest-tasting breakfast ever, think of delicious, ready-to-serve, wheat or rice shot from guns. And when you want the original Quakerpuff wheat and Quakerpuff rice, there's only one way to get these crisp, tender, king-sized kernels exploded up to eight times normal size. Ask for crisp, fresh, Quakerpuff wheat and Quakerpuff rice. They're never sold in bags or bulk. Yes, always remember to buy the big red and blue package with a smiling Quaker man on the front. He's your guarantee that you're getting the one and only Quakerpuff wheat and Quakerpuff rice. Now to continue our story. Shadow knew that the body of his master lay beneath the mound of twigs and branches. He felt that it was his duty to stand on guard. But Sergeant Preston had other ideas. He stepped forward. Stay back there, King. It's all right, boy. He won't hurt me. Come on, fella.  Me, I would not like to do that. There, his office. Let's get out those branches. Soon this snow would have covered them all. Help me with this big one, would you? Maybe I should get shoveled. I don't think it's necessary. It didn't do a very thorough job. We can scrape it away with our hands. That's your master, isn't it, old boy? Wait. It's his body all right. Here it is. But look, this man... It's Constable Drake. He took his clothes. They didn't take time to remove his shoes. They're regulation. I'm wearing a pair exactly like them. But who would do things like this? Probably the men he was after. Jeff Gibson and Moose. They must have ambushed him. No one will know he is Mountie. Maybe another reason. The man who did this may be wearing the uniform. He'd pretend he is Mountie. It would be a good disguise. He could go anywhere. As long as he avoided members of the force. He's probably headed for the border. They would meet us on trail. That is the way they must go to the border. On trail we come on. It wouldn't be hard to avoid us. They saw us coming. We have gone into a canyon off the trail until we passed. This snow is covered all tracks. Maybe they go back to Selkirk. Constable Drake just came from there. Doubt they'd take that chance. Go back to Dawson? Yes, Gene. I'll take the body to headquarters for identification. I have to carry the dog on the sled too. It's too weak to travel on foot. I hope you'll get this fellow who'll do this. I'll get them all right. Anyone who kills a mountain policeman always pays for it. And I'll get Jeff Gibson. The heavy snowfall had not stopped Jeff Gibson and Moose as they traveled north with Constable Drake's dog team. But the miles of travel on foot had sucked their strength. As they neared the town of Deer Creek they could think only of warmth and shelter from the rising wind. We'd come town soon. You know this territory? What town is it? Deer Creek. It's not far from here. It's very big. Just trading post and a few caverns. That ought to be a good place to stop. It's getting dark. We get supply at trading post. There are many people that know we're here. We'll go straight through town. Stay at one of the caverns of the Outskirts. Maybe we can get a prospector to buy our supplies for us. By the time Jeff and Moose had reached the town the early darkness had settled and nobody saw the two men and dog team as they plotted through the thick snowfall. A small cavern lay ahead at the very edge of Deer Creek and Jeff stopped the team near it. Here's a good place. It's a good distance away from the other caverns. You think we can stay here for a night? We can with this uniform. You feed the dogs, Moose. Get them fixed up for the night. I'll handle this. Who are you? Constable Drake, the Northwest Model Police. Oh, Monty. Come in, come in. You're just in time for supper.  Thanks. My guide is feeding the dogs. Yes, Blizzard coming up. Thought maybe you'd put us up for the night. Sure will. Anything I can do for the Model Police I'm happy to do. I can't remember seeing you around here before. You were a new man? I came up from Whitehorse. This is my first trip up here. We're on the trail of some criminals. We don't want people to know we're here. If these men find out I'm close on that trail it'll be harder to get them. As it is, they'll be careless. They don't know we're after them. Who are they? Maybe I've seen them. A man by the name of Jeff Gibson and his partner. We think they're out here somewhere. Well, you don't have to worry. I won't tell anybody you're here. Maybe later on you'd go to the trading post for me and get some supplies. Then nobody'll know we've been here. Sure, I'd be glad to. I'll go right after supper. You just sit down and make yourself at home while I start wrestling up some grub here. Say, I didn't even tell you my name. It's Hank. Hank Stevens. As the evening wore on, the snowstorm stopped as suddenly as it had begun. Through it all, however, Sergeant Preston continued his way to Deer Creek. It was some time later that he stopped his tear and entered the trading post. Hello there, Sergeant Preston. You're traveling late tonight. How are you, Sandy? I couldn't waste any time. I'm after two murderers. Murderers? I thought perhaps you'd seen them. One of them would be dressed in a mountain police uniform. You don't mean, Sergeant, that one of the force murdered somebody? No, this man murdered Constable Drake. I have his body out on my sled. Murderers dressed in his clothes. Murdered a mountain. I'd hate to be him. Seen the captain. I found his body. While Sergeant Preston explained the details of the crime to Sandy in the trading post, Hank Stevens and Moose were nearing it to buy the supplies. The moon had broken through the clouds and ended their path. Yeah, I'm glad that snowstorm's done with it. It looked like a real storm was coming, but I guess it blew over. Ah, they're clear for travel tomorrow. Yep. You and Constable Drake can get an early start. Maybe you'll catch them murderers. Hey, look, in front trading post. Yeah, sled and dog team.  It is a dog. Big black one. He's tired. Maybe he's hurt or something. Well, I am something wrapped in blanket. Yeah. Looks like it might be a body or something. Well, say, this looks like Sergeant Preston's team. I'll bet he's inside the trading post. He'll be a big help to Constable Drake for finding them murders. We better go in and tell him. No, no, tell him. But he's a mouty. He probably knows about it anyway. I'm going to... No, you do nothing. Oh! You tell nothing. Moose raced back to the small cabin where Jeff was getting ready for bed. As he burst into the door, Jeff looked up curiously. Are you back with the supplies already? Come. We get out of here now. What's wrong with you? A mouty here from town.  Him after us. A mouty? Where's Hank? You didn't let him see the mouty, did you? Me hit him. Him unconscious. Him freeze before morning. Hurry, grab some grub. You should have made sure Hank was dead. May come too before he freezes and start clapping. Head cold. Him freeze soon. Come when we go now. I'm ready. You get the dogs hitched. Them dog too tired. No can go fast. We get caught like that. Well, we'll sure get caught if we go on foot. I'm taking that dog to you. Me go cross country. Me not go with you. Go ahead. I won't stop you. We'll split the gold we got from Jim Patterson to separate. Maybe we can shake that mouty better if we go in different directions. Anyway, may never know we've been here. Jeff and Moose hurriedly divided the stolen gold and then set out from the cabin. In the meantime, Sergeant Preston had finished the hot tea Sandy had made for him. As he put the cup down, Sandy noticed the deep lines of fatigue in his face from the long hard trip he had had that day.  Why don't you just go to bed and let me put the dogs away for the night. I'll get my pocket. That sounds like a good idea Sandy. I am tired, but I'd better help you with the dogs. That black one on the sled needs special handling. Better bring him in here for the night if he's wounded. No, I'm afraid he wouldn't leave the body of his master. Well, I'll help you with the dogs. Come on, King. The moon's out. Temperature's still pretty low, though. As King came out of the trading post with a sergeant, the set of blood came to his nostrils. As he turned the corner of the building, he found the unconscious form of Hank Stevens. Then he heard Sergeant Preston calling him. King, what are you doing, boy? What is it, King? Did he find something? Yes, he did. It's a man. Let him out, Sandy. It's Hank Stevens. Somebody knocked him out. His head is bleeding. His regaining consciousness is steady there. Oh, my head. You'll be all right. He hit me. Who did? The big man. He was called Moose. Moose? Travelling with a... with a Mountie. What Mountie? Drake. Constable Drake. They were at my place. He fainted again. I'll carry him into the trading post. I think the man who hit him and the one he called Drake at the minute I'm after... Here are some tracks, Sergeant. They lead back toward Hank's cabin. And they're fresh. Help me get him inside first, Sandy. And King and I will leave while the trail's fresh. But when Sergeant Preston reached Hank's cabin, both Moose and Jeff had disappeared. The moon riding high in the heavens threw a bright light on the trail, where the tracks of the man were written clearly. It was then that the Mountie faced a new problem. Yes, old boy, they've gone off in different directions. One of them on snowshoes, heading for the hills, and the other kept on the trail with a dog team. Oh, King, I hate to do this, but we must get both of them. Hope nothing happens to you, fella, but you're going to get one of them alone. I'll go after the other one, the one with the dog team, boy. Now, you, King, these tracks, get him, King, and hold him. Come on, boy, I'll find you. Get him! On you, Huskies! Push! Push on! It was almost an hour later that a dark blot on the white snow of the trail ahead made the Mountie slow down, leave his team and approach on foot. It was a sled and team, the dogs lying exhausted in the snow. Just as Preston bent over the sled, there was a spurt of flame from a thicket about 50 yards away. A bullet whistled close to the Mountie's ear. Preston, Sergeant Preston's gun answered. A crash of branches told him he had hit his mark. Cautiously, he approached. His gun held ready. But Gibson lay motionless in the snow. Until the Mountie bent to see how badly he had been hit. Then the outlaw turned quickly and his gun came up. Preston felt the gun's flame brush his cheek. Taken completely by surprise, he was off balance. He threw himself to one side. Jeff Gibson fired again, then Preston's gun barked. One bullet tugged at the Mountie's tunic, but Preston's shot was true. It hit the other's shoulder with sledgehammer force. Jeff's arm was numb and helpless. His gun fell to the snow. That was a good trick. It nearly worked. I give up. You, Jeff Gibson? Yes. Yes, you know him. Oh, my shoulder.  I'll tell everything.  The law will take care of that. I arrest you in the name of the Queen. My shoulder.  Hurry. Hurry up. In the meantime, King raced after the man his master had told him to catch. His silent gray form streaked over the snow like a shadow. At moose, though he turned now and then to look over his shoulder, was sure he was not being pursued. Silently and swiftly the great dog King closed the gap between them. And then, with a roar, he leaped at the half-breed's back, knocking him to the ground. Get away! Stop you devil! Where's my gun? Desperately, moose reached for his gun, but King's great jaws closed over his arm. No! My arm! Let me go!  The great dog King had learned his business well. Careful training had taught him how to handle a gunman. He increased the pressure of his jaws on moose's arm until the outlaw dropped his gun. Then King relaxed the arm and stood with bared fangs close to moose's throat. Paralyzed with fear, the big man lay still. The slightest movement brought a warning growl. No! No! Sweating with tear, the killer lay motionless and helpless. Time passed slowly. King wondered how long he must remain here on guard, but he didn't relax his vigilance. And then at last, as the moon was sinking behind the hills, Sergeant Preston approached over the clearly-defined snowshoe trail that led from town. The mountain was a welcome sight. Hello, hello, hello. Well, old fellow, you did it. Good boy, King. Long wait, wasn't it? Take... take dog away. All right, King. Back, fellow. Let him up. I have his gun. Get up, moose. You're under arrest. Your partner's back in town. My feet. They're my most friends. Get up and start walking. That will thaw them out. Keep dog away. That dog's staying right behind you. Your partner had some of the gold that was stolen from Jim Patterson. I suppose you have the rest. Yes. The charges against you were robbery and murder. That dog! You couldn't get away from him, moose. He's a member of the Northwest Mounted Police. Good work, King. When we get back, you can tell Shadow that you got your man, and that this case is closed. In just a moment, Sergeant Preston will give you a preview of Monday's program. Here's how Mother can make your family a breakfast-happy family this coming weekend. Be sure to order Quaker Puffed Wheat and Quaker Puffed Rice. Just one bowlful of this swell-tasting, ready-to-serve cereal shot from guns, and you'll say nothing tastes so swell, except maybe two bowlfuls. But mind you, to get the original, crisp, fresh, wheat and rice shot from guns, always buy the big Quaker Red and Blue Package. Quaker Puffed Wheat or Quaker Puffed Rice is never sold in bags or bulk. These radio dramas, a feature of the challenge of the Yukon Incorporated, created and produced by George W. Trendle, directed by Fred Flower Day, and edited by Fran Stryker. The part of Sergeant Preston is played by Paul Sutton. 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Mellie James, host of Let's Mana Up. This show is meant to dive into stories of local product entrepreneurs and how they're growing their companies from right here in Hawaii. My guest today is Rona Yim, co-founder of BodyMint based on Oahu. Welcome to the show, Rona. Hi, Mellie. Thank you for inviting us. Of course. Why don't you start off by telling us, how did you get started? Well, I guess, you know, I was, we were, this was over 20 years ago. This was back in 1997. And a girlfriend of mine that I went to graduate school with had told me that she was going to go and work for the state so she could get medical coverage. And I said, oh, do you wanna work for the state? She said, no, not really. And I said, well, I said, well, I'm gonna start a company. And she said, really, what in? And I said, well, I have this list of stuff that I, you know, entrepreneurs just, I write stuff down like all the time. And one of them was BodyMint, but I didn't have the name for it. It was just like uphill that helped you to smell good, right? So wait, so you just had these random thoughts about like crazy ideas. I wish there was a pill to help you smell good. Yeah. Did you have any other ones that you can share?  Stuff that was very relevant for you at that time. It was just silly stuff. I had just crazy ideas of books. I had books that ideas for kids that were, you know, that had, you know, I don't like learning disabilities, handicaps, because they were at that time just starting to, this was a long time ago, right? Integrate them into public schools and things. So it was just the, just all these ideas, you write them down on this book. Yes, that I have a really sensitive nose. And it always, I was always wondering, like, why is there no solution to body odor? Why is there no solution to this? It's always, everything's a cover up.  Basically, I guess I wanted to invent a pill that was a solution for that, or a natural thing. And a solution for like all of your body types of odors. Yes, not just your underarms, but your breath, also your feet, so like just how a breath mint would be for your breath. It was a body mint for your whole body. And we finally did it after three years, though. It was a three year challenge for us. We had nine different formulations that we worked on. And really it was my partner and I, so Eddie O'Noy, Claire, Tanoy at the time, who was really involved then, but she's, you know, just kind of on a hiatus right now. But my, we're so all partners, but Eddie would take it because he'd go to a lot of dinner parties like every night. And then he would say, hey, wanna try this new thing we're working on? And so really it was, the ninth formula was the lucky one. And it was like, everyone hands down, all the ladies, all these friends were like, this is it, this works so great. So that's what we went with. So the formulations that didn't work, people were like, no, this isn't like it didn't really help me.  And then the ones that were okay, but it wasn't good enough for us. I mean, we felt that it was something so different and it had to work. I mean, really people had to be able to tell a difference. And with body mint, you can actually tell in two to four days and that's really quick, we feel, that you can really subjectively say like, wow, this works, you know. It works like full body, so full body. I was saying most people start taking it because of breath. Well, no, I think people, a lot, the majority of people who purchase body mint buy it for breath. I think a lot of people do buy it for an alternative natural underarm deodorant. It works great for that too. But I think maybe it's because people are much more willing to admit to taking things for breath versus people admitting to, oh, yes, I need that for my underarms. But there's only 2% in the entire population is scientific. Only 2% of the entire population have underarms that do not smell. So it's 98% of people have underarms that do smell. And it's not a big deal, it's just natural. It's your glands that excrete sweat. And when it hits with bacteria, which is on everyone's skin under the armpit, that particular type of sweat from those sweat glands under your arms, it just has this very sulfur-ish odor that is very strong. And I think people can to not want to admit to that, but that's what a lot of people worry about a lot.  Would you like a breath mint? Oh, I need to do this. I like orange and garlic for blinds, I need them.  It's much more acceptable, but with the other thing, it's not. So I think it's not that it works better for breath or anything, it's just I think people are willing to talk about it, that's it. So you say it even works for, like, toe jams. Yes, toe jams. But you already have the jam in the shoe, you can't get rid of the jam in the shoe. It's gotta be like a fresh set of shoes. So go on body mint for, like, we say a month, you know. I mean, really you can tell in two to four days, but it's, you know, you gotta spend the money to buy a whole new shoe. You know, beyond it a month.  Usually it's closed shoes that people have more smells with.  Okay, so you came up with this idea. You started working with a team, doing concoctions of different, like, ingredients and recipes and formulas. You're on your ninth version and Eddie's going to dinner parties, testing it out on different victims, not victims. The different test guinea pigs.  Then what happened? So we basically said, okay, this is it. This is the winning green formula. And we wanted to make sure that it was, you know, a very healthy thing. That was awesome. We were kind of a little bit before you're ahead of our time, which is not necessarily a good thing when you're in a retail product. But, you know, I think back then people weren't as health conscious as today. Like today it's like a no-brainer. Everything's gotta be green, plant-based. Luckily we are plant-based and luckily we're very green. And we have a lot of antioxidants, a lot of detox, qualities to the ingredients. So basically what we did was we said, okay, let's go to market. We had biochemists on the mainland that our manufacturers are in Orange County. We basically decided to find a name. And the body mint name, we got friends together, focus groups, because we couldn't really afford to, you know, pay 10, $20,000 for a professional focus group. So we just got people from all walks of life in our own friend groups and families and got them all in our huge room. And we started, I had a whole list of different names. And, oddly enough, the body mint name I thought of only the night before the me, I was just bothering me, I don't have the right name, I don't have the right name, and I kept thinking, and the name just popped in my head. So that went on the list. And then when we had food for people, you know, it was kind of just for fun. And when we threw that name out, everyone's like, are you kidding me? That's the one. And it was just the majority of everyone. It was probably about 99% of people. That's it. So that was the name. And then, from there you started, put that on the label. Ran production. Well, ran production, hoping that somebody would buy it.  So it's like, we had to go sell it into. So when is back then to give me a drug date range? This was April of 2000. Okay. Yeah. Almost 20 years ago. Almost 20 years ago, exactly, yeah. So it was three years of R&D before that, 1997. And then we went to market in April of 2000. Okay. And when we went to market, we had to literally go to the buyers at Longs who allowed us to go to, they have these like Longs buying shows. And so we got like a little corner of a table and we set up our little body mint. We didn't have any kind of, you know, POP or any kind of, you know, back then, I don't even know if you could do that, but you just didn't have like, you couldn't just order up a sign in like two days, you know? And so we went to this show and the buyer said, if you sell 25 of those, okay, I will put you in the store, but it's gonna be store to store buyer decides. And so we thought, okay.  But evidently, it's not that easy to sell something no one knows about.  And we sold 100, I think, was 108 bottles. And he was like, what? You sold 108 bottles. Okay, I'll put you in the store, but you know, it's up to each buyer. So only four Longs buyers actually- That was your first account. Longs. Longs. Longs drugs in Hawaii. And so only four Longs drugs in Hawaii actually picked us up. We only sold four cases of 12 each. We're like, oh boy, what are we gonna do with all this? And then we had in the stores, and we were really lucky. Someone at the, it was, what is that? Midweek did a story on us about how we invented this thing. And in like one week, I think there were like thousands of people going in and saying, I read about this. I wanna know what this is. Where is it? And so then all the other Longs had to bring it in. We were really fortunate. I mean, yeah. So grateful to Midweek. So that was the first fortunate event that happened with Midweek. Got into all the Longs. And then I know that you guys got some national recognition. So how did that all happen? Okay, so that, well, it actually happened. So we, you know, we're still trying to get distribution like Walmart here, which we eventually did. We're in Walmart, we're in a bunch of stores locally. But just, it was in February, I think of 2002. So less than two years later, we had only distribution in Fred Siegel. It was, at that time, was only a Sunset Boulevard, which is a small boutique, kind of like a kind of a hip store, you know? And then Henri Bendal on Fifth Avenue in New York City, which really was kind of a high-end store. Gosh, I can't afford anything in there. But it was like, just the buyer thought it was a great idea. And when he heard it was in Fred Siegel, he said, I'll bring it in. And so it was really like on both sides of the continent. And that was it too. And then Jeannie Moost of CNN calls one day. We thought it was a prank call. Oh, Rona, CNN's on the phone. I'm like, yeah, right. But it was actually Jeannie Moost. And she said, hey, I have this midweek article that is pretty old. And I was reading it. And it was someone from Hawaii just sort of handed it to me. I think this is a great thing. Is it real?  Do people like it? Does it work? And I said, yes, yes, yes, yes. She said, send me samples. So we sent it up there. And I guess she tested it on a bunch of people there. And felt that it was a viable, real product that worked. So when she did the spot, and you know, Moost and Jeannie were on the spot. No, we were actually on the spot. It was a long spot. I guess we filmed through one of the TV stations here. She asked questions.  And she actually passed out bodymen to people in the streets of New York. She went to Henry Bendell where they were selling it and interviewed the sales lady. And the sales lady said, gosh, we have people coming and asking for the discount large size or the ones that last forever. And because they were buying every month, coming back and buying every month. And so basically, she passed it out on the street to people at Henry Bendell, people at like dentists on the street, people that she just saw. And were asked to come back in a few days and report in. And all of them reported that it worked for them. So she did that all. OK, that's incredible. So I'd love to show some of our audience here, some of the images of what we're talking about here. So I know the first image we've got here is of the bottles. OK, so this one here is kind of a funny, like, just to get the idea across.  Yes. Let's take some pills over this. So this is our new box that we have redesigned and hopefully is much more appealing. Yes, I'm looking forward to speaking about that after the break to hear more about your rebrand. OK, yeah. So OK, so you were on CNN. You had this national recognition. And then things just really started blowing up. And just from a company that's from right here in Hawaii, which is really exciting. And I'm excited to talk more about that after our break. OK, all right. Great, thank you. Aloha, I'm Catherine Norr. And I'm the host of Much More on Medicine on Think Tech Hawaii. We talk about medical issues. And I interview guests regarding medical matters. And I'm really excited about upcoming guests. I hope you join us every other Wednesday at 3 PM. Aloha, and see you then. Aloha. I'm Marcia Joyner, inviting you to join us on Wednesdays at 1 o'clock for Cannabis Monocle, a 10,000-year odyssey, where we take a look at cannabis as food, cannabis as medicine, cannabis and religion, cannabis, and dear old Uncle Sam. So please join us to learn all about cannabis. Again, Wednesdays at 1 o'clock. Thank you. Welcome back. I'm Mellie James, host of Let's Mana Up. We have co-founder Rona Yim from Body Mint based here on Oahu. Welcome back, Rona. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is going to be fun. So we were talking about getting on CNN. And then things just totally exploding. So I know you've got some images around what happened there. So what happened? Yeah, we were on CNN. We got into all, then all the magazines came to us after CNN. It was 17 Men's Journal, the New York Post, the LA Times. They were writing all about us, but we had no real distribution. So at the time, the internet pieces 20 years ago is not what it is today, but our internet sales did just really take off. I mean, it was huge, because they couldn't find it any other way at the time. So it was a little bit too early. So our timing wasn't the best, but we did it. But you were just like the small company here in Hawaii getting these national publications. Internet, not as where it is today, but starting to increase. So that was kind of big like 15, 20 years ago. And I know that you guys have kind of done a rebrand, kind of looking at, all right, there was this generation that all knew about Body Mint. And then now it's been 15 years, and now we've got kind of this next generation of millennials, Gen Z. And I feel like nowadays, people are even more open about talking about body odor. Do you feel that way as well? And I love for us to show some of the images of the new packaging, so everybody can see what we're talking about. But go ahead. Yes, I absolutely agree. And I think that's why with Manna Up and everyone, we just said, OK, yeah, we're going to just change our packaging, rebrand, keep the name. Because all of the people who have been taking Body Mint for the last 20 years are now, like some of them are in their 60s, if they started 40, or they're in their 40s, and the 20-year-olds don't know about it. So over the last 20, actually for 20 years, we have been a top 10 selling skew at CVS Hawaii. So we thought, OK, I would ask some young person that I'd met, you know about Body Mint? They'd be like, no, what's that? So yes, we decided to rebrand and relaunch to find a whole new generation. So these are some of the air places you can be found now? Yes. The Whole Foods, actually we are going to get in locally. And that was, thankfully, through your wonderful help with Manna Up. But we are in select Whole Foods on the mainland right now. But yeah, we're in Walmart here, Don Quixote, we're in all the commissaries, and CVS, of course. Let's take a look at some of the closer products that people can see, the new packaging. So you've changed this to really try to target the next generation, the people that had no idea. Maybe weren't even born yet when Body Mint was at its heyday when it first launched. Absolutely. OK. And they are the health conscious young people of today, sports minded. People are dressed much more casually, I think, but there's a lot of people who are very active. I think just with the health craze and how people eat healthily, whatever they want to put on their bodies needs to be healthy. That's why Body Mint, but they also are, they exercise a lot. They play sports. They're outside. And so they sweat. So it's all together a great generation to target, yes. And also, there is that connection to Hawaii, because we're running around. It's hot here, we're on the beach. You're not going to let go in the bushes and put your deodorant on as no one sees you. It's just kind of nice if you just naturally don't need to be putting deodorant on all day. Yeah, I think that was the whole sort of idea, is not to have to worry all day long. This is something you take in the morning, and then you take another one in the evening, and that's it. And then you kind of just do your thing. I think also in Hawaii, everyone takes their shoes off when they go in the home. So the toe jam part is a natural. The tropical year on weather, it's a natural. So what's coming up next for you guys? Like, I know, obviously, you guys just graduated from Mana Acoma 4. Yay. Yeah. Well, we're really excited because I think Mana Up's done a lot of with us on the internet, and how the opportunities are so great there, Shopify, and all of that. So we definitely are going to be focusing, instead of on retail. Well, we do still want retail, but we're really going to focus a lot on internet sales. We are changing our whole website. We also are excited about more of the health stores, so more of the whole foods, maybe the down-to-earths of the world, things like that. So kind of speaking around the health piece, it was really interesting for me because it was so focused on odors, but there's all these other health benefits, because it's like a detoxant? Yes. So can you just quickly list off a couple of the other awesome side benefits? OK. Yeah, we actually are coming out with new SKUs, but they all will have the original body mint formula in it. But we just wanted to educate people that there are, and we added even more antioxidants, or even more detoxifying types of plant-based products into the new SKUs. So basically, body mint and the new SKUs, which is one is called daily salad, that's going to have just like power antioxidants. So you get body mint benefit of smelling good. At the same time, you get added, added antioxidants. Yeah, body mint has great antioxidants. It's the plant ingredients in it, and also a lot of detox, which helps liver cleansing. Yeah. So I know you've been in business for quite some time here in Hawaii. You have a couple other different companies. Can you share a little bit around what have been some of the challenges with being an entrepreneur here in the islands, and also any kind of advice you may have? So maybe we'll start off with challenges and how you've kind of gotten through them. Challenges for sure. I think, well, one, I think, you know, Hawaii is a wonderful business environment. People are just so helpful and caring, and everyone sort of wants to help each other and help each other boost each other. But what we find very, very challenging is because we're way out here in, you know, for this place ever, from anyone, we're out in the Pacific, it's very difficult to do a lot of business on the mainland because our families are here, our corporate offices are here. We depend a lot on, you know, finding brokers, distributors on the mainland, and that can be really difficult. Culture is very different, and also the business environment is very different. It's very, very hard to find, which is why Manaup is wonderful, because it's hard to, what I feel is the hardest to do is to find people on the mainland that can take the products that have been successful in Hawaii and duplicate that on the mainland because to find the same relationships are so different. And you know, a referral is so different than getting a referral on Hawaii.  But on the mainland, you know, really, there's just so many people. There's just a whole cottage industry, I think, of people who just move from one client to the next, not necessarily doing a good job, but they can because they can just, like, you know, nobody really knows who they are. Yeah, it's like the anonymity. Yeah, and that bridge is just onto the next thing. Yeah, they're just onto the next thing, and I think that that is a huge challenge for people from Hawaii. And we're also very, well, I don't want to generalize, but I was very trusted, you know. So in the beginning, it was like, oh, what? You know Oprah? Oh my goodness, right? Well, then I learned every PR company knows Oprah and you're paying these people, you know. So yeah, it's pretty, it's kind of, it's, yeah. That's what I felt was the biggest challenge. And kind of like, well, through mana up, but also just having this great network of other local companies where you can kind of bounce ideas off each other. What vendors have you worked with, or service providers that were great or not so great? It's kind of helpful as you continue to grow. Yes, yes, I think, you know, really, we've worked with everyone that, everyone here has been great. We originally went with WebCo, which is the largest distributor of most consumer goods in Hawaii. Most of their stuff in longs is theirs. They were wonderful. And we, they, you know, got us far for the first, I would say, eight years, maybe. And then we just, it was just something that we decided to do mostly looking for a little smaller boutique type distributor. And we like that. And it's not for everyone. I think some people just love big distributors. There's much more people there, helpful. I think we just like the boutique one because we could move a little quicker. We could say, okay, we're gonna do this promotion. We need this POP up a day, you know, or tomorrow. And then it would just, it would get done.  Yeah, yeah. So what kind of advice would you give entrepreneurs that are here in Hawaii and, you know, building up their businesses, whether it's products or other, any kind of, you know, I think it's, like I said, a fabulous business environment. I think there's people like you and the willingness to really want to see people succeed. We're just like all one big Ohana. I think I love that. I think it, and there's, you know, we have the top Costco in the nation, right? We have the top, I mean, Long's drugs, well, from what I understood, the whole chain of Long's drugs did better than all the Long's drugs on the whole West Coast, like 450 of them, right? And so just the Hawaii Long's do more business than that. So I think that the climate here is great for success. I think the word of mouth, the help that family and friends, the whole Ohana will, will talk about your product. I think that is a huge help. Yeah, like a great place to start, such a great place to start, and then expand. And then expand. So now that you guys have gone to national, now you're doing this rebrand really to start connecting with the next generation. You know, what are some of the key messages that you're now having forward facing? Cause a lot of it is direct to consumer, it's on social. Yeah, like what are those, some of those key messages? So what are key messages for embodiment, especially, you know, hopefully to the younger generation is, is basically if you want something that really is a solution, that really can help your confidence, can really help you not have to even deal anymore with, you know, chemicals, harsh chemicals, irritated skin sometimes, messing up your clothes, you know, having sticky feet from, you know, just like little pads that you put in there, worrying about, don't not worry when you had onions or garlic for lunch. Really, we're looking for the person that is health-minded and wants a solution for your whole entire body. And I think that's awesome. And I want to thank you for being our show today, Roa. Thank you. Thank you so much. But BodyMint is at BodyMint.com. It's, yeah, we are for sale on BodyMint.com. All right, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Aloha. Thank you, Melly.


is the end of the dynasty in New England really really are you sure that are you sure it's the end of the dynasty you think that the bills or the Jets or the dolphins are going to beat the the Patriots for first place next year in the east do you really believe that the bills good they could but I'm gonna bet on Bill Belichick whether Tom Brady's there or not I think Tom Brady is gonna play next year I think it'd be foolish not done play with the Patriots now I guess if Josh McDaniels leaves and Tom Brady probably thinks you know what I'll go where he goes if he goes to Carolina good situation you know Chris Collins were at the end of the game yesterday said he thought he was gonna play once and do you watch that part yeah did you notice during that little question-answer moment how checked out Al Michaels was answers you guys have to stop did anyone come I didn't I notice about Al Michaels yesterday was he has incredibly hairy arms well I won't say anything about that that's fine yeah I can't believe because you're a little late but no when he said he said if anyone out there noticed Rosenberg radio feel free to tweet me Al Michael says to Collins with do you think Brady's gonna be in New England and college with yours no I don't he waits for a second as if he wasn't even listening is like oh you don't we're anything he's gonna go no no I'm gonna take not dialed I'm gonna take exactly what was going on I'm gonna defend him you've got an anti-al Michaels bias they were up against the Golden Globes okay they were stalling I get it and people in his ear yeah okay I feel for another second and and I don't think you're probably I think he was probably thinking should I put Collins worth on the spot here I you know what I'll I'm a man who listens to reason you're right they were probably dealing with the Golden Globe starting thing right now in his absolute you know I think he could have handled a little better but you're right that's a confusing spot that's tough when someone's in your same hold on we have 20 seconds but it's a lot to deal with they had a shot that they wanted to lead into the Golden Globes of Salma Hayek walking in so they had a time it perfectly right because if you're gonna do the Golden Globes when you go off script and you're not planning the mistakes are gonna be made so you got to give you're right you're right right I'd like to rescind what I said however to the original point I think it's over with Al with the Patriots oh why is it over because it's over Michael it is over and Bill Belichick at all I have a lot of faith in Bill Belichick but right now I think their quarterback seen better days that's the best play for the Giants that his contracts up and they're working right now to get them but all right so maybe could they win the division next year of course they can they're inept offensively they just are their defense is very good and that's Bella check is when he's in his his glory is when his defense is good they did win 12 games last year Michael but you saw the way they closed out the season we could talk about them losing the Tennessee all you want the reason they even played in that game is a loss to Miami at home I mean I'm sorry Michael that that would they were not a great team all year oh they were a great team they were but you don't think that they can redo it you know I'm already enough to bring an offensive talent I don't grunk unretires listen I think Bill Belichick is tremendous there's no question he's tremendous but you need a quarterback now who's gonna be the next quarterback tag of a low would actually be a nice pick for them like I was thinking about that last to come out but but who knows maybe because he's not gonna play anyway last is if the if the the medicals on his hip and our good and well maybe not but the thing is is that if they can get themselves a nice quarterback if they can do with the 49ers did what the Indianapolis Colts did maybe they could change things around but clearly you've seen this year that they're not the same team anymore listen I think it's about Belichick more than it's Brady I think I think Brady needed Bella check more than Bella check needed Brady but still with one of them possibly being gone or even if Brady stays the Jets seem to be getting better Buffalo I think is becoming something I mean once they can kind of get over that whole losing culture and figure it out there's talent on that team the Dolphins played well the second half of the season they're gonna be tested in that division more than they've ever been before by multiple teams and they are clearly on the down cycle Michael they've got no weapons on the offensive side of the ball now if you tell me Gronk comes back maybe they could squeeze another division out of it but then rattling off championships as presently constituted is over but but but Don they've been to the last three Super Bowls they won 12 games this year you can't bury them everybody said everybody hates the Patriots so much I don't like the Patriots but most of the people that are saying this they're just thrilled oh ding dong the witch is dead I love seeing great teams performing high levels Tom Brady is the goat but I just think that you saw in the second half of the season you saw offensively that they their dynasty I think is over and you've got team you know you're seeing it now new quarterbacks are coming into the league new coaches it's starting and it's a new era of football now they could still be good but if they make a move though they make a move and get a new quarterback who's currently in the prime of their career or Brady comes back I think Brady and Belichick is over but I think the two of them are over here I wanted to be out already I think Brady wanted to be done with that when you look at what the Patriots have been able to do is kind of what the Yankees did winning four championships in five years right but as Buster only wrote in his book when they lost to Arizona that era ended now they went to the playoffs in 0-2 went to the World Series in 0-3 won a championship in 2009 but clearly after the lost to Arizona that was a different team that's what the Patriots are becoming now now can Bella check squeeze a couple of more titles or division titles maybe make another run to the Super Bowl down the road with a different quarterback sure but this era of Patriots football their dynasty is over well but this dynasty as you see it right now it's an easy it's an easy hard point to take the coaches in his high 60s the quarterback is 42 he's gonna be 45 so the yeah so this this actual incarnation of it but they might redo things how long I mean gonna coach the least 75 they might redo things and they may still be good right but the dominance that they had that's over now but why how do you say that because I do it again well what has to happen he's gonna have to find another great quarterback and plus what's happening in Baltimore right what that team is becoming with their young quarterback if Josh Allen can learn from his mistakes over the weekend you saw his arm you saw that he's got skill we all believe that Sam Donald's gonna be a very good quarterback they're gonna be challenged in that division now right and they're gonna be challenged in that conference in Kansas City's not going anywhere so can they can Bella check figure it out he's an amazing coach he'll win his 10 games they'll go to the playoffs they're not gonna be two and 14 anytime soon but them rattling off championships rattling off conference championship appearances that's over now they're just another team they are just another team battling well I I hear your point but I'm not gonna give up on Bill Belichick until he's gone I until he's gone the guy's too smart in fact he's so smart that he uncovered glitch in the rules that might break completely exposed and it was so fun to see Bellichick just explode doing the delay of game panels he's and run it but it's a dumb rule I know oh it's from erotic no but but Michael the his sheer brilliance got them the 12 and four any other coach probably would have missed the playoffs with that team so I'm not questioning his brilliance Michael but and I think that you know could they make the playoffs next year will they win the division next year you're right it's probably a fair bet to say they're gonna win the division again but they're not rattling off championships anymore and maybe maybe mocked to down the road but it won't be as good as this you never know no way you never know why 1-800-9-1


Normally the Perseid meteor shower gives us about 40 to 60 shooting stars per hour but we're looking at close to 200 shooting stars per hour with this meteor shower. We're coming in at a good angle this year and moonlight should not be a factor. And Perseus gets above the horizon about 3 o'clock in the morning which is a little tricky for people but over the next couple of mornings we should be able to see some good things assuming the weather holds out.


So, if anybody is there, I would like you to raise your hands so that we can start some interaction. I am going to Symbiosis Institute, yeah, the first line rechargeable solid state batteries to the portable electronics, this statement is the unicycle level, this introduction and it is for the unicycle level audience, okay, very good and then after that the next sentence of the main challenges to the discharge, recharge cycles, this is part, this is background and this is implied for the department level audience, okay, thank you very much, that is the correct answer. I will go to the next institute, KLA Institute of Technology. I have a question, so how many minimal words should be in a sentence, when to break it as two sentence and how many, what is the minimal number of words to be in a sentence? I do not think there is any such recommendation, it is just a style of writing, so even if you have a long sentence, if you break it appropriately using clauses, I do not think it will be unreadable, similarly if you write a short sentence and write it badly, that is also unreadable, so it is just the, I do not think there is any recommended thing, but usually in technical literature, the sentences are little longer, but increasingly people are asking to write shorter sentences, especially in abstract and not long sentences, there is no norm for number of words that way. The central center of Anna University, abstract what you have given, the answer for that what we are discussing is, the first sentence gives the introduction, yeah we have already discussed the first sentence and the second sentence also, now what is the third sentence beginning with although promising electrode systems? That will be the problem describing, already we are having the promising electrode system. So to others in the room and in other colleges, my question, this is regional center of Anna University, what they claim is that the sentence beginning with although promising electrode systems have been recently proposed, they claim that this sentence is the problem statement. So I am asking them, why do they think so? Yes Anna University, please tell us. Sir, they are telling about the problem what we are having in the recent condition. Right, so what is the research question that is being addressed? If I ask you, what is the research question that is being addressed? If this is the problem statement, you should be able to find out what the research question is. So what is the research question? A research question should be an interrogative statement, what is it, why is it or something like that. Like I showed an example in the last abstract, so what is the research question that is being addressed here? You are correct that this is the problem statement. Sir, how the lifespan is can be increased. Exactly, very good, thank you very much. So the problem is, it is like a summary of the literature, what is the summary of the literature? Although promising electrode systems have been recently developed, so this is a summary of literature. It says that although these things have been developed, but something else is missing. What is missing? That the longevity or something, their life spans are limited. So what is the thing that is lacking? The life span is lacking, so how to improve the lifespan? That is the question, maybe that is the question, but we will know if that is the question, if we read the following sentence. So I will go on to the next college, this is Susheela Devi Bansal college. The question could be how to improve the lifespan? Now if that is the question, then the following statement must be the result. Is the result actually answering the question, can you? Yes, the result is here. Here we report that electrodes made of, from here up till recharging rates. Here we report that electrodes made of nanoparticles of transition metal oxides demonstrate electrochemical capacities of so and so with 100% capacity retention for up to 100 cycles and high recharging rate. Yes, so essentially what they are saying is how do we improve the lifetime or how can it be improved? They say that by doing this methodology blah blah blah whatever it is, we find that it is life cycle is improved. So what was suggested as the question is correct and what you are saying the answer is also exactly answers the question. So now you see the structure how beautifully it is constructed. The whole essence of the work is in this two sentences. One the question how to improve life cycle of this lithium ion battery? Answer is the life cycle of lithium ion battery can be improved by doing that whatever is written there. Very precisely the question and answer the research statement and the answer is stated in these two lines. All that was said before was introduction and all that is going to come below is implication. So now I am going to ask the next college Islamic University Kashmir, we have come up to this. Here we report we have finished that sentence. The sentence ending in recharging rates ok. Now the question is the mechanism of Li reactivity what does that sentence imply? These are the findings. The how actually we have done this. The solution part is here we report that electrodes made of nanoparticles and till the end. But the mechanism of Li reactivity differs from the classical says that how actually we have done this research the methodology which has been used. They are saying that how it happened ok it is only of mechanism ok. Then what is the line that is following? We expect that the use of transition metal what is that line? So this is actually I think that this is to enhance the scope of the research that how actually where we can further research for this topic the scope of the topic. So can we say it is an implication of the result? Exactly. Suppose I were to ask a question as soon as they stated the result here we show that we have improved the life cycle of the battery of lithium ion battery and if I ask a question so what ok. The answer to that question would be what is the importance of that. So the importance is that it will lead to further improvement in the performance of lithium ion batteries. Now we can still go and ask so what? So what would you say? Suppose I ask one more question after they say the last sentence I ask you one more question so what what will you say? The further improvement in the performance of the lithium ion batteries. You are giving me very technical implications ok I am a layman I have come from arts background so what? So what that when actually we are going to use it lithium ion batteries how your performance is going to increase if you are going to use these lithium ion batteries in comparison to what you are actually using right now. So what what does it mean to me? That means that your efficiency will increase in comparison to what type of batteries you are currently using. I do not understand efficiency. How your results are going to be improved? How you can how you can say if you are using if you are a consumer you are buying batteries how money will be saved using this type of batteries as compared to the open is you are using. Ok very good so that is one way of saying that you will save money but more importantly you can say something like that you do not have to buy batteries often you do not have to charge often. Today you are charging your mobile phone every day may be tomorrow you will charge it once in 2 days ok. These are some things that even a layman who is do not even know he is not even literate but he knows to use mobile phone will be able to understand ok. So that is what is expected when you get try to find an answer to this so what questions ok. Thank you very much. Now we will do next exercise now this is on the same topic that we discussed yesterday alright. So yesterday we discussed this topic on monkeys ok monkeys behavior and so on. So what I am going to do is this is picked up from the abstract that you had done as an assignment in model. So we have just randomly picked up 2 assignments and then what I want to do and you to do is to read these pages 2 pages I am going to show 1 by 1 and again identify because the assignment was you are supposed to let me just recall the assignment statement you are supposed to read this paper or abstract and then rewrite the abstract ok rewrite in your own words and by rewriting you had to have again the same structure broad introduction the department specific background problem results implication to the department and implication to the university level. So this is what was the problem statement I am going to show you 2 abstracts the first one again I want you to read this carefully and provide your criticism first of all assume that this has come from your student you have given this assignment to your student and they have submitted this and you want to improve their abstract find their mistakes and write better ok. So please go through this and we will give you opportunity 1 by 1 we will go to Periyar Mani Am I. The given paragraph deals about the I am speaking about the introduction the paragraph deals about the biological sciences treated on monkeys for classifying the visual arrays right that is the introduction. I want you to criticize assume that this is an assignment submitted by your student and I want you to help them improve the submission have they followed the structure and if they have followed the structure is there any areas that they can improve. So in this case the students can have some more background knowledge by learning the paragraph by learning the given lesson and they also can have analysis problem stating and they can give the results. Now can we just take sentence by sentence and can you just give your comments. So let us say you are correcting this assignment and you want to give comments ok this sentence has to be written better this is not appropriate this is written nicely and so on. So let us take first two or three sentences and then we will move on to the next college. So the introduction given by the students is seem to be ok but the detail of the background is not that to the mark and they have not given the general problems to we can make them to have some general problems stating properly and one main points and two more comparative statements according to the biological sciences and also to make them to have a general awareness about the contents and make them to get the broader aspects. This is how we can make a modification my modification sir. Okay thank you. Let me go on to Shastra University, Sanjabur. We find that they all are from English and computer science backgrounds that we find it difficult to criticize this. No it is okay no in fact it is very important that people from English background criticize this because people from other engineering backgrounds do not have are not able to analyze a sentence for what a sentence is because at least I think people from English background can at least understand what a sentence is about you do not need to understand the full meaning but you are better trained to tell what the sentence is talking broadly about is it introduction is the problem and so on. Let us take the first sentence training was provided to monkeys to classify visual arrays. First two sentences are background. Okay let us just stop there and then just take the first sentence only. Training was provided to monkeys this is very general okay there is nothing technical about it. Forget about classify visual arrays that is technical let us forget about that training was provided to monkeys. Okay without providing any introduction or background they are coming to the topic I think sir. Exactly this is something that they did as part of their work. The first sentence itself is describing something that they have done okay it is not about what is introduction what others have done. The first two sentences the first few sentences is supposed to be a broad introduction to the area and what others have done it is like a literature review and so on. The first sentence is certainly not a literature it is something that they have done as part of the work. Okay so first of all it is incorrectly placed it is not an introductory statement and as you rightly pointed out there are maybe some grammatical mistakes. Okay monkeys shows which is wrong monkeys show a reaction signature of adult human comparison judgment I think that sentence is not fully constructed but let us not worry about that. Again monkeys show a reaction signature means what it is some outcome of what they have done. The first sentence is monkeys monkeys were done this monkeys did were provided some training and the second sentence is an outcome of that. Now outcome is essentially a result or something like that and that is not the starting point of what we had asked of course there might be some journals where you can write that I am not saying this abstract is wrong in that sense abstract is not to the structure that was requested okay. All right we will go on to the next sentence we will go to another college Medak Hindu Institute of Technology in the particular paper the first two lines says that basically methodology that they have said in the paper rather than the introduction part in a general structure initially introduction should become it should be like something visual art and systems are used which is used to classify the developmental techniques between human and animals it should be like that and in next particular two lines they have given the result parameters and the outcomes rather than the process. Okay let us go to another example okay so the same topic of monkeys cognition is another abstract picked up from the Moodle submission please go through this and I will ask you all to comment the problem is assume that this assignment has been submitted to you by your student in your class and you want to help them identify the mistakes and help them improve the sentences structure it properly and improve the sentences. Let us go to Sarvajanik college humans and monkeys are believed to represent numerical values in similar value but the specific this is general background sir we were this is the introduction actually it's a problem statement because they say that the process has not been made clear yet. Okay very good right so part of the first sentence first sentence is the problem statement second statement sentence is the result okay so that's thank you very much I'll move on to the next college see you Shah College of Engineering. Yes sir the first sentence as the previous madam said that it is the really introduction of the people the abstract sorry but the second sentence the research explores whether monkeys show any responses that could be one of the findings that they have done the research explores this is a finding but sir this is probably explores whether monkey shows that could be a prediction also why is it a prediction sir the research explores meaning that by whatever the abstract I am writing that probably I'm talking about the testing that whether the monkey show any responses as observed in human or not so probably it may be the comparison of the testing what they whatever they are doing and it has been compared with some of the speed of making decisions too so this is a comparison between the the monkeys and the human and then the findings have been given in the last statement the findings imply that monkeys showed a semantic continuity like compacting no hold on the research explores whether monkeys show any responses blah blah blah so it is a part of the question so the previous line is kind of a part of problem statement the next line is expansion of the problem set is not essentially a result okay because it is connected to whether that's why I'm saying that it is probably prediction prediction it's not prediction a prediction is not it's a when you say the research explore it means it is what they are doing is the answering that question whether monkey show any responses so that is not a prediction it's incorrect to say it as a prediction okay so which sentence then is the result sentence in this whole paragraph which is the sentence which shows the result ah sir that's the finding well the findings imply that monkeys show a cementing property effect comparable to what is observed in humans and that proof that is the final findings that evolutionary primitive magnitude come in so there is a small problem with the sentence the sentence begins by saying the findings imply but the findings itself have not been told before when you say the findings imply that means the findings has to be written before however it says that monkey showed a semantic congruity effect actually that is a result so the sentence is not corrected constructed properly the monkey showed a semantic congruity effect is a result and that is the finding and that has an implication so this sentence is not constructed correct okay so the findings imply should come after you are saying that we found that the monkeys show a semantic congruity effect and the findings imply something something else or the findings proves a evolutionary primitive thing so that becomes an implication okay so this is how I want you to deconstruct a sentence and give feedback to your students so once you are ask your students to peer review their own friends or colleagues answer ask them to do that first and then take a few examples and show things like this okay so the next assignment now for all of you is to actually write an abstract we are going to write an abstract based on the same topic this monkeys topic okay now that I have told you how to construct and how to deconstruct I am going to show you this article which we which you have all downloaded it yesterday and I want you to rewrite the abstract at least the first the few lines what you need to do now is to read this just read only the abstract and introduction okay and rewrite it in the structure that we have asked okay then I am going to go through one by one college and ask you to one college to tell an introduction another college to tell a background and another college to write a problem statement so this way we are going to make an abstract collaboratively okay so please work for next 5 minutes come up with an abstract now the same please go through this abstract carefully because the same material we will be using for elevator pitch as well as for summary writing so you have to just go through this once understand only the introduction and what is written in the abstract okay so we will give you about 5 minutes time and come back welcome back Sharad Institute Kholapur had some question in the morning regarding abstract so if you want we can take it up now I had an question that regarding abstract in abstract is nothing but the narrow down part of the introduction and actually it is just of the whole article we used to write in scientific article can't we write baptism like some technical words we used to write in the abstract okay so will it be okay plagiarism in the scientific articles or no the technical word that's not called plagiarism if you write it one place and rewrite the same phrase in other place in the paper that's not called plagiarism plagiarism is between two different sources in this case it is just if you write one sentence in abstract and put the same sentence in your introduction then it looks bad that's all it is not plagiarism you can always rewrite because when you write in the introduction it will be little more flexible and very loosely stated and little many more sentence to describe a single concept whereas in abstract you are going to condense it into just one sentence so usually it will not be the same so there is no concern of plagiarism but certainly you can you should repeat keywords as I said a little while ago that keywords has to be same in the abstract introduction anywhere in the body in the conclusion because keywords unite the paper having the same keyword helps the reader understand that it is the same concept that is being discussed now if you start using synonyms of technical keywords then many technical keywords may have slight variations in their meaning if you use a different word so it is better not to use synonyms for technical words please use the same word in the abstract introduction conclusion other parts of the paper okay does it answer your question on behalf of my all colleagues and thank you for this interesting session thank you okay so i'm going to reset the hand raises now and anybody who is ready with an introductory statement to this paper can raise your hand kailey institute of technology yeah the introductory statement that I have written is it is generally known that the brain of the monkeys can be trained to mimic the human brain okay so this I thought was providing adequate amount of production so that a layman can understand what we are going to work on so it is generally known that the brain of the monkeys can be trained to mimic human brain okay I'm going to write down the sentence and let's see if we can construct an abstract can you repeat your sentence the brain of the monkey it is generally known that the brain of the monkeys can be trained to mimic the human brain all right so I'm going to go around various institutes and I'm going to collect a few more introductory statements and we'll see which one is more suited and I've I asked the next institute to actually comment on this okay thank you let me go to a Francis Institute of Technology the sentence we constructed was given the common origins the similarity between humans and monkeys in terms of thinking process has been taken up for studies quite often the similarities in the thinking process process of humans and monkeys yes of humans and monkeys has been taken up for study quite often okay thank you very much I have one more yes please yeah since time immemorial monkeys have been regarded as the immediate predecessor of humans one of the study to confirm this is the theory of cognitive development okay since time immemorial monkeys have been regarded as the immediate predecessor of humans thank you very much let me go to the next college Kavil Guru Institute of Technology introduction is both animals and humans possess a non-verbal system for representing numbers approximately okay thank you very much so I want you to comment among the three sentences given above not including yours which one would you pick I would pick first one sir it is generally known that the brain of monkeys can be trained in this article are they talking about training they are talking about training as well as the similarities no training is a no no training is what they did to get some result but that's not the objective it they are it's not that we want to train monkeys to do something okay so training is not right so it is generally known that the brain of monkeys can be trained that's not the point the point is to see whether monkeys represent are able to distinguish numbers as humans do okay this is the general introduction I have given then I am talking about the first one there you said the first one is little better but my criticism of the first one is that the article is not about training monkeys it was a methodology adopted if you want the monkeys to do numbers you need to train them to first distinguish numbers so that was a part of the methodology that was not the objective that how to train monkeys then I would say the third one sir third one since time immemorial monkeys have been considered as an immediate predecessor yes I would also agree with that because the whole thing is about trying to find if there is any linkage or finding more evidence of the linkage and what is the extent of similarities okay although they look very similar to us many of us else is the similarity okay to find out what else is the similarity is the question alright now this sentence that we have seen is possibly can be understood by any word anybody at the university level now the next sentence that I want you to construct it has to be at the department level and for this I request people who are working in the area of biological sciences or humanities and social sciences who are looking at behavioral psychology or anything of that sort people who are working in the area of behavioral psychology biology and so on if you can come up with the next sentence which has to be a little more specific to the department level a background that gives takes you to the department level introduction take a couple of minutes so we already have some answers from university bgt college sir we have written both the sentences I will start with the first sentence because it has linked to the second one okay so I have written the cognitive study of linguistic and non-linguistic animals non-linguistic animals exhibit exhibit some similarity some similarity this is the first sentence sir we have made this to be more general introduction uh appealing to across the people in the university the second sentence is monkeys and human beings this is department specific monkeys and human beings are more precise are more precise in representing or more precise in representing numerical values presenting numerical values in fact we have written third fourth also but I think we will restrict to this yeah thank you very much so I would say your first thing is little not it is having too much of technical words cognitive study so are you saying that cognitive study exhibit similarities so the sentence is not very clear it is the animals and linguistic and non-linguistic that exhibit similarities so similarity is regarding linguistic and non-linguistic animals yeah so this sentence is probably has to be redone but I would say this is little more technical has some technical I would still stick to this sentence okay I would still stick to this sentence but this and maybe your second sentence is okay that monkeys and human beings are more precise in representing numerical values okay let me and just erasing this and let I will go to another institute this is Mahakal Institute from Ujjain my second sentence for the general uh abstract would be language and non-linguistic animals show similar response patterns that is the semantic congruity effect while identifying numerical value this is also a conclusion from the present work this is not a summary from the literature so again I am going to give you a couple of minutes to all of you the second sentence has to be a broad introduction which is specific to the department it is something which is known to the people in the department area okay so which is like a summary line summarizing what you have what the literature has told or what is known so far the sentences the last two sentences that uh two colleges have said is more like a outcome of the present experiment okay so only if you have a summarizing sentence of the literature which is specific to a department please raise your hands raja Ram Bapu Institute of Technology the cognitive processes related to semantic congruity have been studied among amongst monkeys amongst monkeys not amongst or amongst monkeys now this is part of your work you're not summarizing what has been said in the literature unless you state what is known in the literature you cannot define a problem you cannot define your research statement what you have said here is what you have done in this work now and I will have to erase this now and I will go to the next college Mahalingam College of Engineering monkeys were trained based on color q to order visual arrays you are telling what is done in this work I want a sentence which summarizes the literature what is known from before if you read the first paragraph introduction or somewhere you might find some clues see you could take a clue from the first sentence of the introduction humans and non-human animals discriminate numbers you could use that humans and animals are faster and more accurate in comparing numerical values so you could rephrase these two sentences and construct a sentence so actually you see the problem statement comes much below problem statement is what is the question there what is the research question whether monkeys show a response signature of adult human that is the problem you have to come to the problem and you need to build that stage with a background which is known so far okay so let me go to another college KIT College of Engineering my sentence is the various studies are carried out by comparing their cognitive behavior by training the monkeys again you are saying a saying a sentence which is about your work I want before see you your work you tell only after you have stated your problem we have not come to problem statement yet and you think various studies have carried out by training monkeys again that is what you have done that is not literature all right so we will go to the next college Bharati Vidya Pete due to semantic congruity effect compound stimuli is found in both human and their procedure monkeys to prove their innate relation okay very good the sentence is very nicely written the reason being it develops on the previous thing the previous sentence says that monkeys have been considered as immediate predecessors why have they been considered immediate predecessors because there is some complex compound stimuli that is found in both these which establishes the relationship okay so first thing you are saying that they are related second you are saying what makes it related all right so the first thing first sentences might be understood by anybody in the university but now you are introducing a complex terminology which is compound stimuli now compound stimuli is not easily understood by many people so which is good and the sentence also relates to the previous sentence so excellent thank you very much now let's go on to the problem what is the research question and followed by what is the answer Geetham University Hyderabad when we search for a paper we will normally search it with a key word or an author we move and on the abstract we will be given just about 120 words or 150 words to write I will know why would I spend I will know I will lose about 20 to 30 words giving such a general statement then making a statement which contains some data in it so when we are writing an introduction statement you say it should be a very general statement anyone can understand but for someone who is in research they will go they look at the keywords or the authors and pick up the paper and when an author is given just 120 to 200 words to write an abstract why should an author lose about 20 to 30 words giving such a general statement yeah I will repeat the question for the benefit of others the question is when usually most journals require only 120 to 150 words why should we waste about 20 to 30 words in an introduction you should not waste if it is 130 words we already addressed this question before let me just reiterate the answer abstract is firstly for yourself abstract serves several purposes subtly that you do not realize until you write it down many ideas are not clear to us unless we put it down on paper when we put it down on paper and read read it and rewrite it we tend to polish our own understanding of the matter now when you are presenting my objective was you write the abstract according to the structure that I have given then you write the paper then you rewrite the abstract now when you rewrite the abstract at that time you decide what you want to keep what you do not want to keep given your limitations as I said if journal in which you are publishing this monkey work suppose the journal title the journal title a journal name is cognitive research in monkeys suppose the journals area of work itself is in cognitive research in monkeys you should definitely not waste one word in telling about what cognitive sciences and so on but the reason when you are writing it like this is it is for your own clarity to put the work that you have done in perspective and you will see in the next two assignments that we will do now how that comes into picture okay so I will just take one answer for the result and then we will move on to the next thing which is elevator pitch I am eager to share with you the background a one line background the background is as per biological science Weber's law says that it depends on the psychological the behavior of animal and non-animal humans it is dependent on the physical psychophysical t-nets so this was my background and now I am discussing the result it is observed that the monkeys responded similar way to human based on the color cue and the number of elements select all right very good so by and large it is agrees the problem is that can monkeys distinguish yes they can distinguish based on color cues okay now we will have one last sentence for the implication techno india salt lake that there is a similarity in the cognitive power of trained monkeys no the thing is let me tell you the problem and result we have written there it is observed that monkeys responded in a similar way okay now how do I find out the implication you need to answer the question so what so try to answer the question so what and if you have an answer to the question so what please tell me that the so what is more or less answered by this claim that we can make that the since the origin of humans and monkeys as such is the ape so this similarity is actually being reinforced the claim that we make that we origins were the same so this kind of a cognitive behavioral similarity kind of reiterates our claim of this common origin correct so yeah please state that in a nice way I could restate it like the whole study was to bring about a certain basic hypothesis that we have a common origin and then a behavioral aspect is taken up and then correlated in such a way like this kind of proportion versus color in the case of a monkey no no madam can we just have one short sentence short sentence could be this linkage of the evolution of cognition is kind of the similarity which is again getting reinforced by way of this similarity between this proportion and color in the case of monkeys okay I have written it as this reiterates the hypothesis that humans and monkeys have common origins so we have constructed at least the skeleton of an abstract okay we have not embellished it nicely but at least the skeleton is there we have got an introductory statement since time immemorial uh monkeys have been considered as an immediate predecessor of humans why so because compound stimuli is found in both humans and monkeys that establish their innate relationship however it is not clear if monkeys can distinguish sizes as humans can do so here we have studied monkeys with that way and we observed that the monkeys responded in a similar way to humans based on color cues and size selection of numbers this reiterates the hypothesis that humans and monkeys have common origin all right so we have completed an abstract with the skeleton


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