These retreats are really good in-roads. It kind of gives you a little taster. It's a community taster. What actually is going on out there? And then you come and you experience it and you go, oh, this is the vibe, this is the vibe of the community. This is pretty much, we have a light structure, but it's very devotional like this. In our community, we don't watch quite as many movies as we've watched in the last couple of days, but we watch them pretty consistently. And people come in all kinds of ways. Nikita flew in. Was that how many years ago? Two years ago? A little more. Two years and four months. Yeah. I'm here to say. Yeah, I came here and I didn't always incline anyone. And so I just stayed. Yeah, and the thing is when I came here, I had no idea what I was going into. Not in the way that I really didn't know what it is. I didn't even know who David was to be like. I really did not know. I learned everything here. All I knew that it wasn't very clear for me that I felt like my whole world was changing.  And it's like the next world appeared and it was here. I was to come to Utah and I was even guided not to even ask any questions. It was clear. I was guided to fill out an application. David called me the next day and two weeks later I came. And from there on it was like you'll find out everything here. It's just like everything. And the feeling was I came into a different world and I had to learn of it every day.  It was all for me to learn of a new world, to learn of a new way, to learn of a new me. Because I knew there was a deep desire to know who I am and I couldn't live without knowing myself anymore. And I knew that I have to know capital M myself, capital S. And so that was the experience. And so it's just like sometimes people ask me like, what is it like to live in a community? And I say, I don't know because the experience is just, it's just the experience living.  Like to the point where I would wake up, like especially then it just became more and more so. I would wake up every day and I'd be like, I don't know anything. Like I was like, I don't know who anyone is. It's like, you know, if you guys have seen 51st date. And then it was like, where am I? Who am I? Who, what's going on? And then I would just like, you're like, stay with me and I'll hear spirit interpreting like everything. This is where you live. This is what you do. This is like, you know, this is, this is so and so. You know, just like really thoroughly like really interpreting the world, interpreting everything for me. And that's just become an experience and like just I'm living in this new deep, deep experience. And that's like, that's, that's all I know. And then so, yeah, that's just been the journey and just like deepening into the unknown deepening. Like, you know, there's no like the beauty of it. There's no ever like technically I've known some, you know, some of the seeming people. They're not people for two years, but there's no sense of like, oh, I know you. This is like, that's David. That's cursed. You know, it's just like every day it's like, I don't know. It's like spirit. It's like the desire is to know spirit and to hear spirit. And so everything that comes, it's like, that's spirit. And the beautiful thing that the ones that are given, I'm like, I'm so grateful because I am like, these are the ones where I can somehow through them, the spirit is recognized very easily. It's just, it's just easily. I don't have to sit there like, is it spirit? Who is it? It's like, who else can it be? It's like, meaning, you know, the love of your life all the time, right? And so there's no like that casual familiarity. It's like, and every day it's just like, yeah, everything is new and deep and exciting and with sense of sometimes a little bit like, because you don't know, right? And on the other hand, it's just like the sameness of like the depth, you know, because there's still a lot of movement, seemingly, but the depth is the same. Like that deep vibe, deep forgiveness, deep presence. That's just deepness and deepness and deepness and deepness and deepness. And it's just like, lately I've been having experiences of just falling. And sometimes I'll wake up and I'll hear today, I'm just going to fall and I'll have these like experiences that I'm just falling. And that's, it's great. It's great. And it's just like kind of like the abyss, you know, just falling. And then while I'm even falling, it feels like I'm still being very tightly held, held very tightly. It's not like I fall and crash. It's like, no, I'm very tightly held in the love. And it's like, I said, that's all I ever wanted. That's the depth for me, just feeling that like I'm so tightly held in the love. So that's my community experience. So I think you're going to have an amazing experience with the movie tonight. We are waiting. I know you're joined by those buckle your seatbelts too, because this is an amazing one. Nikita is always the amazing thing about transcendence. This movie, it's got some very interesting scenes that kind of parallel a lot of things that we've went through of like a little community in the desert. Amazingly, when we've seen these movies, we're like blown away by the depth and the presence.  And it's all felt very purposeful and helpful. But being guided out to the desert, when we were watching transcendence, I guess you had the same experience with me like, oh my gosh, this is like what we're going through. Yeah, I was like, are you kidding me? Like really, because it was like that movie when we watched it for the first time. It was so spirit-given. It was just like, you're watching it and it's like we were set up for this deep, deep experience. And it was Easter Eve, just like a Saturday night before Easter. And I knew whatever movie we were going to watch, it was going to set us up for the Easter talk, right, the next day. And it was just mind-blowing talking about resurrection of the mind, really. And I was like watching it. I was like, you're kidding me.  It's just so obvious. It's like Spirit was talking. And it was, I was like, this is exactly what we do. This is exactly what we do. From there on, like, because we were on tour and some people were asking, so what happens in the community? What do you guys do? How is it? And I would tell them what's transcendence. That's exactly what happens, right. And it's just like this deep, deep devotion. It's like all the, it's just like everyone who comes here, they're all, everyone is called out of the world. It's like there's a call to leave the world and just really immerse in the purpose and immerse in the new, like in those depths, in the state of mind. And in the movie they call it being uploaded into the system, but which is like a state of mind, which is Christ's mind. And it does like really state of mind that is absolutely defenseless. And the only purpose is just like being in purpose, just being in Christ. And yeah, and all the events are taking place in the desert. And just like, and we're here in the, like in the desert, in the middle of nowhere. And everything that is given, like all the funds, it's all used for the awakening, just like within this context, within this community. And so yeah, that was very, very interesting to see and how, and then there's a lot of emphasis on trust, like just trust. Like I'm in the courses saying like trust will settle every problem now. And I would even say trust will settle every doubt now. And so the only thing that is ever on the way is just like a lack of trust and how like during the movie I saw how the trust has to be complete. Even if it's 99.9%, it has to be 100% trust. And this is where otherwise that 1% will make a lot of turbulence. Like it just became so simple and obvious every time there's like turbulence in the mind. It's because there's a call into trust. It's just really like choose to trust now. And so yeah. Yeah, and you know, seeing this movie it was, I know the whole world kind of seems real surreal to me, but this was really surreal because we were up there to do this Easter program the next day. We were in this hotel, this motel and we all said, okay, let's go, we're going to see transcendence. And we were in the hotel room and the power went out. And so we couldn't take the elevator. We were going to the movie. We couldn't take the elevator. We had to literally take the stairs go down to get into a car. We drove to the movie theater. It's the first time I've ever driven to a movie theater, which was quite nearby. Instead of people going in the entrance, everyone was coming out. The entire theater was emptying out because they had no power. So we're like, hmm, this is going to be fun. It's just this glee like, ooh, how they're on an adventure to see transcendence. And the people are coming out of the movie theater. Everyone's coming out of the movie theater, heading to their cars. And we're just sitting there kind of praying, watching all these people come out. And then Kirsten got on her iPhone and she looked and she looked, found a theater that was some miles away. And so you can just click on the button to call the number. Just you could see it. It came very quick. She hit it to call. And then a guy answered at the theater and Kirsten didn't say anything, but do you have power? Imagine answering a phone. And that's all you hear on the phone is do you have power? And he goes, yeah. And so they had this kind of funny exchange to start off with do you have power? Not hello or do you have power? So we hit the other button and it gives you the route. We went right there. We go to this big theater. We could tell we were getting upgraded from a standard theater to an IMAX theater. Like, oh no, you're not going to see transcendence on a regular screen. The spirit was like, oh no, no, no. You're going to see transcendence on the big screen. But first we walked in.  We were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We go in there. All these rows, we get in a row, we go up to the front and we get up to the front and the guy who's going to sell us our ticket was the very guy of all of them that got the do you have power call. And we heard the Kiwi accent of Kirsten. He goes, it's you. The do you have power girl? So we were laughing. Then we went in there. So we get in there and we get to the beginning of the movie. We're all like watching all the previews. It's not only IMAX, it's surround sound.  It was like, whoa, we just got upgraded to the penthouse. You know, it was like, whoa. And then we got the movie started. We were in Massachusetts. And we were looking around at different places. We were a little north of Boston. The line comes on in the movie. Boston has power.  We were all like Boston has power. It was because we were just north of Boston in Massachusetts. And it was like right in the movie. And we were just like, okay, this is really feeling surreal. But it's almost like we were taken to the movies. We were in the hands like little putty in the hands of the spirit. For a really spectacular, magnificent experience. And the thing about it is I think if you had to have one thought, the trust and the faith, because it's a relationship between a husband and wife who are very much in love and who the wife really wants to, you know, make the world a better place. She wants to see the healing of Mother Earth.  And they have this great love, this loving relationship. And then as the movie goes on with Johnny Depp and the transcendence, you can start to see everything that even seems to happen is really a reflection of mind. Of transcendent mind and also of a mind that's opening. It still has fears and doubts. It still wants to make the world a better place. Still is opening, evolving, growing. And yet everything is a reflection of that mind. It's almost like the spirit lovingly answers everything. It's just so beautifully given. And then as you move on through this movie, you'll notice that there's this thing that some of you are familiar with called AI. Who knows what AI is? Artificial intelligence. Now there's been science fiction movies going back decades. And people always got a little spooked with some of these science fiction movies. But does any of you, do you remember 2001 Space Odyssey, where you're watching the movie and there's just kind of this feeling that comes over you toward the end when Hao is in control. And everybody in the theater was like whoa! You could just feel it ripple because the humans weren't in charge anymore. How was? And then there was this, ooh, this AI fear. But it's really the fear of something greater. It's not really artificial intelligence. We could say there's a fear of divine intelligence that is beyond human comprehension. And because humans like to put everything into a box and box it up and understand it in tiny little segments. And this is transcendent. This is an example. The fear of AI is the fear of God's love. It's the ego's fear of God's love really being portrayed as AI. So then there were other movies that came along like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They had little lumps of going through the ground and these kind of semi-indisible things. Then there was a movie that came out called Invasion where it was an invisible invader that came and the people, when they were taken over they became very serene with this Invasion. If you ever watched the movie Invasion, this invisible force kind of takes over Earth. And the people all go become very, very serene. And like serene, very serene. And there's war stop and crime stops. And I'm like watching the movie going, this is spectacular. This is no Invasion. This is a transformation. And I attended, there's another movie that came out recently called Host where this invisible thing seems to take over people. And then they had these glowy eyes. They're not only pretty serene but they're glowy, sparkly eyes. I'm like, oh I'm liking these sci-fi movies. These are supposed to be scary movies. And it takes over for the humans, all the human drama, they have glowy eyes instead. Well this is good with this movie too because there's like transcendence and then there's almost like a transmission of this transcendence, reflections of it on Earth. And it's only the ego that fears like it's losing something, something higher is taking over, something higher is taking control. So just watch your emotions as you go through this movie.  But that was really profound for me in this movie. I think it has a lot of different aspects to it. At some point I guess we got like a few movies like that in the row, right? Where with the theme that something higher is taking over. And then you can even, like in theater for everywhere, like you can feel everyone is like afraid and meanwhile we would be sitting there like, yeah, yeah, rooting for that, you know, for the other, for the invisible, like yeah, take it over, yeah, go. And it's just like really fun. We're not rooting for the humans. Go power, go power, take it all.  Because really the spirit wants us to transform our awareness so everything is love and light, that everything is unified, everything is transcendent. Omniscience is not like this thing that's relegated to God. It's our omniscience being fully aware of everything and everyone. Or like the movie we just saw, Lucy, I Am Everywhere. This movie came out actually before Lucy did in the year. So we were like, wow. We were like, it was at that day, that evening when we saw transcendence, the first time we also saw the trailer for Lucy and we were like, that's the next one, that's our next hit. Yeah, and they're both like same theme, I'm everywhere. Yeah, who are you? It's like I'm everything, I'm everywhere. That's good too because this is like, there's certain humans here that are kind of allegiances and alliances. It's interesting, Morgan Freeman's in this one and in Lucy. And the trailer came out for Lucy when this one came out and both have the theme, I Am Everywhere. So there's all these things. But it's interesting that for humans how this idea of alliances and friendships and loyalties, you know, the transcendent experience doesn't really have friendships and loyalties and allegiances. It's all specialness. You know, you're used to watching the movies and okay, who's on whose side here? They're in on it all along and how the mind tries to find out what's going on and tries to discern. And that's what's so cool about these kind of spirit takeover movies is that the friendships and the alliances and even the idea of a husband and wife, there's a love there and there's a trust there and yet the doubt thoughts can appear in different forms. Friends can reflect doubt. How many times have we had that where we're on our spiritual journey and we're opening all of these fascinating ways and then a friend or a loved one say, be careful. Be cautious. That's kind of interesting when the spirit is taking over, the doubt thoughts get acted out. Like, you better really be careful. Do you know what you're getting into? And there's the fear of a higher self. You know, like personality selves have become so accustomed that that's the norm. Oh yeah, yeah. I can deal with human. I'm okay. I can handle human. But nothing beyond the human. You know, like that's spooky, spooky, spooky.  But that's just silliness. But there's a fear of this, this vastness. Yeah, yeah, there's like, there's a great scene.  And so as the husband has been transcended at some point. And so he came back as this new being and there's still love. And at some point it's just like, there's this great scene how he tells her, I can feel your heart. I can feel your fear. There's something about like, I can, like you have doubt thoughts. He just pretty much tells her what's in her mind. And she really freaks out and she's like, you can't do that, right? And it's again, it's just like, it's private. You can't do that.  And it's just like this fear of true intimacy, even, you know, like again, like the intimacy is now romantic. It's not like physical. It's not sexual. And it's like, it's not fear of sex. It's just like this really letting it in. That something is just losing itself. That nothing is just like, you can feel the self dissolving. And then there's that like, even with all that great love, you can't do that, right? And it's, yeah, also like probably, I know very common in the spiritual journey. It's like, yeah. And it's like, and this fear, it's like, who are you? Are you still will, I think, his name or not? And there's just like, where are you? You know, like, happy, like, has anyone had that? They've met someone and you can feel the presence of the presence. You can feel the presence. And then there's like, where, what, how do you relate?  Just kind of like, put some kind of a box because there's like, it's so threatening being in that pure vastness in that, in like, in the presence of, well, everything and everywhere. So, and it's just like again, yeah, like David said, you know, invite just like, invitation to watch the feeling, to watch the emotions and thoughts during the, during this movie, just kind of like with Solaris. It's like a great experience, just like kind of self honesty, just really, even I, during like the first month at some point I was like, a little bit like, oh, I had a bit of fear. It's like, yeah, because you can just feel it.  Yeah, because, you know, we, we talked about, we shared a little bit of that invention of lying and we talked about no private thoughts, no people pleasing, but, but to the ego, there's nothing more terrifying than no private thoughts. If you just kind of go, oh, that sounds kind of, yeah, sentimentally I like that, no private thoughts, no private minds. Why do you think people talk about private parts? You know, why, what would make parts private? Why are some parts private and other parts not private? Because it's a reflection of, of private thoughts and private minds. And why are people a little suspicious when somebody, they go to a psychic and their psychic kind of reads their mind, just reads your whole life, just lays it right out. It's like, ooh, ooh. When I was in Cincinnati many years ago, there was a little shop called Whatever Works Wellness Center. So I saw this cute little shop. I mean, it had all kinds of stuff in the window, store window, Whatever Works Wellness Center. I'm going in there. So I struck up a conversation with the owners and they were like, yeah, yeah, and more they talked to me. They said, what are you into? I said, oh, A Course in Miracles. They said, oh, would you come and facilitate a Course in Miracles? You could start a Course in Miracles group right here. What a perfect group to have in Whatever Works Wellness Center. A Course in Miracles group. I said, okay. So I think I was on Monday nights. I would come Monday nights, Monday nights, Monday nights. And then I'd stop in during the week. One week I stopped in as I was some other day and I walked in. I was just walking through the shop and I met the woman, was a partner, a woman and a man that were partners. And I first talked to her and then her partner came over, Vincent came over and they said, we're scared, David. We're really scared. And I said, what's happening? And they said, well, this teenager came into our shop and he was totally telepathic. And he totally read our minds. He just walked up to one and just zoomed right in. He was like right inside my mind. Almost like X-Men, you know, Charles Xavier. He was like right inside my mind. And that was the woman. And then the teenager went over and Vince was having a bad day. And he was kind of by himself and just kind of sulking a little bit. And the kid goes over there and he just totally reads his mind and it frightened them both. The owners of the shop, whatever works, was frightened by the telepathic teenager. So I said, well, what did you do? And they said, we told him come back for David's Course in Miracles Group. Just go get out of here. Chase him out of the store. And they said come back. So he actually came to my course in Miracles Group. And he came in and he said, oh yeah, my mom studied Course in Miracles. And he sat down. I welcomed them in and this is a small group, maybe like six or seven people. And he sat down and then he looked at everybody in the eye and he just went boom, read their mind, boom, read their mind, boom, read their mind, boom. He went around the whole room. And you should have seen this course group. They were just like, and I said wait, well, what's the fear? What's going on with all the fear here? And I said, this is where it's all heading. You know, why we're forgiving? Why we're doing all this inner work? For this, I said, this is a forget from the Holy Spirit, a little snapshot of where it's all heading. Because he was just boom, boom, boom, boom. And everybody in the course group was locked up. They just were like, oh, you can just see this. Almost like they'd seen a ghost or something. A young ghost, a teenage ghost had walked in. So anyway, I kind of smiled at him and I said, this is beautiful. And thank you and thanked him and everything. And then he got up and he left the room real quickly. And he went out to his car and he brought back a photo album of him sitting in a field with hundreds of butterflies all over him. And he opened it up and I was like, oh, thank you. Because then the people all were like, oh, my God. Look at his photos of this same guy with butterflies all over him from head to toe. And they just, all the hearts opened up immediately. It was the spirit knew that they had to relate in some kind of symbol. But I noticed how frightened they all were when he was reading their minds and how the butterfly pictures, they had just opened up and relaxed. And he was one of the gangs. He passed the photo album around. But that just reminded me about there's a fear of transcendence. There's a fear of, you know, that's what happened with Jesus, with the Sadducees and the Pharisees. Remember when the prostitute walked in and knelt down before him and took out her oils and she took out her hair and all of their thoughts. And if he knew who she was, he can't be the Christ. Because look at who he's working with.  So they were judging, judging, judging her. And then he reads all their thoughts. That's in the Bible. He'll just read their thoughts and they're astonished. They're frightened a bit too. But that's where this is heading. And what's good about this is clearly Johnny Depp, you know, goes into this transcendent state. And then you get to watch the human reactions.  Cut it out. You're scaring me. It's a little too freaky. So this is the saying that Johnny Depp goes through in the sense that people are afraid of transcendence. They're afraid of love. And most people are not consciously afraid of love. If you interview people on the street, they would say, I'm not afraid of love. I want love. I've been searching for love my whole life. They don't really understand how much fear is there when there's actual love. In fact, one time I had a friend who went to India and she was kind of in search of Sai Baba at the time. And so she goes and she's going around. She's meeting all these Babas, Baba, Baba, Baba, everywhere in India. Oh my God, how am I going to find Sai Baba? Everybody's called Baba over here.  So her and her partner were searching all India to try to find Sai Baba. So finally she meets this guy and the guy says, I'll take you to Sai Baba. So he has to go up, up, up, up, up into this remote place.  Just start washing over her and washing over her. And she's like, oh, I found him. I found him, she's in the same room as just this man and her.  And then the figure goes and points to the next room. It's not Sai Baba. It's just somebody who lives with Sai Baba. And so she follows and she walks, she opens the door and she goes into the next room where Sai Baba is. Fear like she never experienced. It just gripped her as she walked into the next room. The waves of love was with the devotee. Then she got to go into the next room and almost lost her breath. It was so fearful. Fear of love. That's what the Course is telling us. You're afraid of love. You don't really want it. If you wanted it, you'd have it. You'd know it because it's you. But you're afraid of it. You believe you're something else other than it. And now it has turned frightful. So this is a good movie. I think this really, you get to watch the characters all like ooh, ooh, ooh. They're just heebie-jeebie. They're just ooh, ooh, ooh. With this transcendent idea. Because they're suspicious. They're sure there's something wrong. There's something devious happening. But that's just a projection of fear onto everything that's around it. I keep hearing very humbling. This movie is just again very humbling. There's just such a humbleness. Yeah, exactly that. Exactly what you just said. Yeah, I want love. If you want love, that's something about the self-honesty. It's just getting in touch. There's fear. There's something like maybe I don't want to love. Otherwise I would have. There's such eagerness. And then just like inviting spirit. That's why so much humbleness is like spirit show me, spirit reveal. So yeah, I feel like this movie is just a great example of that.  It's just like, I don't know, if the core says there's only love and we're sitting there trying to figure out what is happening, what will happen. Therefore, we don't know that there is only love. And so it's just a matter of like, do we want to? It's just like, really stay. Just staying with that. I don't know what love is. I don't know what spirit is. I just don't know. Just that open. That simple openness. So yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're rolling? Yeah, shall we? What's the dream? I made a breakthrough last night. I think I'd be very pleased. That's kind of symbolic too, where she has a dream of making love to him and then he turns all digital and she wakes up really in fear and another dream he says. And we made a breakthrough last night. That's what we call true empathy. It's not going into the darkness or trying to analyze it or figure it out, but just a joyful announcement. That's how her bad dream is met with a joyful announcement. We made a breakthrough last night. See how different that is from human interactions. You know, as if fear wants something to relate to it or wants to be comforted by something like itself and that's one of the most striking teachings in the course is true empathy. Just knowing what's real and true and staying with what's real and true and seeing how powerful that is, it reinforces the truth that you're teaching and learning all the time and whatever you're teaching is what you're learning, you're strengthening in your mind. So that's the point. The point of expression sessions, too, was to come to a sense of true empathy and see that you're really offering a gift when you offer that. Jesus is a good example of that, but it just seems very strange in this world because empathy involves relating to the false. That's what Jesus calls false empathy and so it's a whole new way of thinking. It's pretty much like when Nikita was talking about coming and just opening to see a whole new world, not coming to a new place or new people but just really open to a whole new way of thinking and seeing. Truly think, you know, like we're taught in the course of miracles, like it's the thinking, it's a thought system and so you have to think, I knew you have to think with God and so every day it's just like practicing thinking in a new way, looking at everything just in a new way, just absolutely not like seeing, seeing with the vision. It's like, what does it even mean? It's like how do you live? It's like, yeah, that's why I couldn't, it's like no wonder I couldn't, Jesus told me not to ask any questions because it's like how do you answer them? It's kind of like, it's not a place. You know, I wasn't coming into a new place. I wasn't coming to Utah. I was coming into a new thought system, like really entering a new thought system that's, yeah, yeah. It's been uploaded. We're going to learn this term later on in the movie, the term being uploaded. So yeah, it's just like I was coming in to be uploaded into a new thought system. Yeah, exciting. Okay, there you go. Who shows up in the middle of the night, the guy in the wheelchair? Some of you have saw the movie Brothers on Sister Moon. It's the story of St. Francis. When St. Francis leaves Assisi to go send Amayano, you know, and basically gives up all of his wealth and his education and his life to go to this basically church that's a ruin and starts his little rebuilding project, God's rebuilding project to kind of rebuild a church brick by brick, stone by stone, day by day. Who do you think the first people are to show up to join the Franciscans? The poor, the weak, the beggars, the sick. The ones who are like, this earth ain't it.  They're the ones that show up. No, the priests don't show up. The bishop doesn't show up. The wealthy don't show up because they think they've got it made. They think they've got a better life than the poor and the ones that outcast and so forth. And then as his ministry goes on, St. Francis, the one thing that he has a real aversion to is leprosy, the lepers, but you know the ones who show up as part of his ministry right away and Claire and all of the ones that come in, they've got a ministry to the lepers. The very thing that he can't stand, but he's so open and so open-hearted and loving, then the lepers come. So I think it's kind of fascinating. Here they are out in the middle of the desert and going along. We made a breakthrough last night, going along with their simple, following their instruction, using the symbols that they're given and here's a paraplegic that writes out and shows up, sees the light sparking as he's working at night. He doesn't have to sleep much either, because he's up welding in the middle of the night. There's a lot of symbols here, but I get a kick. And then when the paraplegic man rolls up there, it's like, welcome. These are real simple symbols, but the more you watch these things, you start to see how beautiful, how simple it is. It's typically not the wealthy that are interested in spiritual awakening because the world is substituted for heaven. So the ego made up a world in which there seems to be some ooh-la-la and money buys that ooh-la-la. And so therefore it's more deceptive. It's a thicker fog to wake up from. And even in the story of Siddhartha, he's basically a very wealthy family. His father is a beautiful king, and he wants to give him everything within the walls of the palace and everything and this and that. And basically he has to leave the palace and go out to search for enlightenment. You have to leave behind the distractions and so on and so forth. So I think it's just beautiful in this movie how the ones that are weak, sick, deformed like you said the other day in the car, you said most of the ones that come here, they haven't amounted to anything in the world. And it's funny because it's true. It's true because David was surprised to see that Lisa Kanz was a successful writer, playwright, before the awakening and David was like, oh wow this is impressive because most of us haven't amounted to anything before we came here. And it's true and it's like because there's just like this feeling before it's just like you know kind of like nothing worked out for me in the world like it's just like I didn't do well at all. Just on every level. Not one thing. And then, but then I just really I just take it as a compliment and then there's always this feeling I'm not wanted. It's like I'm not wanted. I don't fit in. And then I've heard once David said the presence is not welcome in the world. It's not welcome. Christ doesn't like Christ does not fit into the world. And so it's just like it's just such a permission. Never never think like that again and just like leave and be happy and it's like yeah because it's like don't fit into the world. It's like you know there's another home, there's another place and so it's kind of like compliment and it's like not wanted. It's like oh you're not wanted by the world. That's a compliment. It's like all the ones that are going to come from the world they're technically not wanted they're actually the rich ones they're actually they're not wanted from the world but also they don't want anything from the world either therefore they're rich they're ready for the actual wealth for the true wealth like I said you know like I thought I was going to win a lot of money before I came here but I won like this I won like I really scored like I said I was ready for the actual present the actual gift and I knew I was like because I said I was talking on the phone with my brother at some point and I was like this is and I'm like I think this is the best thing that ever happened to me and I was like wait I'm like this is the only good thing that ever happened to me there was not even like a comparison this is the only valuable thing that is happening and I was like I'm going through on it I'm going through with this and I'm not backing off like this is it like I'm going to receive it in a whole so yeah everything is backwards and upside down in this world so that's why seems a bit tricky you can't judge your advances from your retreats it's all backwards and upside down so everything that seems that's judged as a success in this world is actually a step away from the light it's that flipped around everything that's judged as a success in this world is winding the mind into the darkness deeper and deeper and deeper and then it's a lot of things that are judged as failures which are the greatest successes in other words a series of oh I failed at this this this this this and it's those that seem to attain something in the world and that actually think think of Simon and Garfunkel's song slips sliding away you know the nearer your destination the more your slips sliding away because it's all backwards and upside down so when you kind of think wow I've done it I've made it I've arrived I've achieved something or whatever you're slips sliding away you're winding deeper into the darkness and the fog not realizing thinking you know by the way the world judges that you're actually mounting to something and you're you're mounting to more no no thing you're going darker darker into the nothingness thinking you're going greater and greater into the somethingness but not even going in the right direction so it's interesting as I get to travel around the world and go to all these countries and meet all these people and everything and a lot of times I meet people that are pretty well read in spirituality you know they read a lot of books about it and they're pretty they can quote the scriptures and all those kind of things pretty good but what does all this accumulated learning about techniques and scriptures you know what does that really bring you it's just another concept it's another form of nothingness and so occasionally I would meet people that like had gone in they were going through like 12 step programs and they would meet me and they had just bottomed out you know really hit the wall dark dark dark going down down down into addictions and seeming to go deeper and deeper into depression and something in their soul crying out help and then they find themselves in maybe a 12 step group where they're given a beautiful set of steps to turn around and they've bottomed out and basically to the world the ones that are bottoming out are the losers these are the losers like in the kid loser when you bottom out like in this devastating way I call it you're once removed from reality when you're succeeding in the world you're twice removed from reality so I just love traveling around the world and meeting the losers because they're closer they're more ready to crack open I love being in the company of losers I I can relate more deeply to losers than I can to the successful ones so you have to, the only way it comes to mind is you start to see it's backwards and upside down that's the only context that you can have and really what comes down to is this there's a section in the back of the teacher's manual of the Course in Miracles Jesus what is the real meaning of sacrifice and basically this is an unknown term in heaven, there is no sacrifice in heaven but because the ego made up the word sacrifice Jesus decides to use it like everything else anything the ego makes even sacrifice can have a helpful use so Jesus redefines sacrifice as the giving up of what you want basically if you want the world pride and attainment and wealth and all the things the goodies that the world offers you want to the giving up of what you want you are sacrificing God for all of that and when you want God you're happily going to give up everything of the world because the world was made so you're going to sacrifice the world in favor of God instead of sacrificing God in favor of the world he even takes the word sacrifice and he says it just means the giving up of what you want you have been called to the most holy function ever as the savior of the world not in a personal way but in your mind you've been called to save the world like at the end of Lucy you know be your God's whisperer I am the savior you've been called to be the savior of the world in your mind, in your consciousness would you sacrifice the call would you sacrifice the calling of God to wake up and know your own reality and be the savior of the world with what some trinkets see, savior of the world trinkets savior of the world trinkets nice trinkets pretty pretty savior of the world trinkets there's your choice there's your choice really that's the choice that's what this comes down to there's a section the teacher manual again it's got the 10 characteristics of savior the teacher of God and I think it's number 7 I believe it's generosity and then Jesus says to God's teachers they do not want anything that they cannot give away that's an interesting they do not want anything that they cannot give away what would they wanted for they could only lose because of it so anything that you want in this world that you can keep it's like a noose around your neck anything that you can keep anything that you can accumulate anything that you can build anything that you can hold anything that you can hold is your noose and everything that you can give away is your the gateway your ticket to freedom because love can be given away you can give it abundantly you have a storehouse of love an unlimited storehouse of love in your heart you can just give give give give give give give and it's never running out because it's who you are and the more you give it the more you are aware that you are it that's exactly how this works give it away to keep it in awareness give give give give give not get get get get get get which is get to keep get to keep accumulate to keep possessions that's the noose possessions love does not possess it's just meant to be given away and extended when you possess you block yourself from the love and light and you put yourself into a world of darkness and then it's just like it seems actually prudent to accumulate and get and clutch and cling to that's the ways of the world and if you're a good accumulator then everyone has done very well and the more you accumulate very smart very smart no dumb dumb no not the direction no no no it's not the direction so this is good we're seeing so here's our transcendent one who's calmly going along you know and we had a breakthrough very beautiful poem we had a breakthrough last night then we had a breakthrough last night you know it's like working round the clock so to speak with breakthroughs that are helpful, that are helping that are designed to be helpful and not to just accumulate a bunch of nothingness that's good for nothing basically or no thing okay here we go can you prove yourself aware that's a difficult question Dr. Tiger can you prove that you are can you prove that you are he certainly hasn't lost his sense if you were that's a good answer people say well that's answering a question but why would anyone think that self-awareness could be proved in the world with the symbols of the ego you know the spirit can use the symbols to take you in the right direction to take you toward self-awareness but whoever said that God was reached through words you know what do we hear from Jesus about words there's symbols of symbols twice removed from reality you know it's not the words that are going to get you there often times people read scriptures almost like if I keep reading the words enough or if I do enough Hail Marys or enough mantras it's still this belief that it's in the form that if you repeat the form enough you're going to reach a state of transcendence but it's not in the form it's not in the words and it's not in the symbols you know we're talking at times about the vision of Christ which is beyond the five senses so often times they'll say the body's eyes were made not to see the body's ears were made not to hear that's a good reminder about how everything's backwards and upside down so that we don't think we're going to reach God through these eyes or these ears you know we're not going to reach God through the senses I know there's ego will try to come up with some interesting combinations of the senses and the spirit as if somehow the right mix between the senses and the spirit will get you there maybe like Tantra or something no no let's get real if the world was made as an attack on God a place where God can enter not and perception fragmented perception is the veil why would you think you would reach God through the veil using the veil thinking that the veil has some kind of value or could be mixed but you can't mix truth and illusion all perception even forgiveness is the last illusion but that's as high as you can go in perception then you have to give way that forgiveness has to give way to go to truth in truth there's nothing to forgive there couldn't be anything to forgive in oneness so you start to realize you're here to give it over and if it's not through words what is it through prayer prayer is like the desire of your heart what's the first commandment love the Lord that I got with all my hearts all night that's a good direction through purification of your desire through purification of your prayers that's going to be the gateway but not words they used to say to me God knows the prayer of your heart for a word is uttered that's beautiful it's not coming up with poetic prayers that was my best prayer ever okay let's try to go beyond the words here now go down to the core that's a beautiful picture quantum processors quantum processors quantum processors this was a spell it's a cult through good times and bad times that's what friends are for friends are for okay yep we call this delt thoughts and all of us have seen that because we open our hearts up yeah the delt thoughts it's not like they're really external we can't push it off and go yeah they're holding me back they're supposed to love and support my spiritual journey and they're giving me notes like this but you know because everything is a thought so there's a purge there's a purification you have to start to you know take them in it's interesting though with delt thoughts is that fits in with what Nikita was talking about like trust trust and faith it seems like that's like the theme of this movie because this will come up and then you have to really feel that trust you said trust would settle every problem now but it seems like there's many turns in the journey and it seems like it's all a question of am I going to trust or not yeah just like that simple not knowing what anything is for and not knowing your best interests and especially when the fear comes up so strongly it's like just trusting just really trusting and I don't even know it's just like it's beyond beyond friends actually I was just really looking at the friends the friends thing and I was like what a bitch you know this concept of a friend it's almost like it's so subtle but there's no friends in heaven and so and it's just like again just being so vigilant being so vigilant for like who who are the friends it's like with the call of the heart right it's like what is the call of the heart it's always so present with the prayer of the heart it's like what do you want what is it like look within because otherwise it's going to be conflicting messages and it's like what is in your heart and from there it's like who is truly in support and usually is it like yeah like at some point I really had to address my brother who was my brother and I love him and then he was always like did you know someone so lost everything I just I just met this woman she used to be so successful then she went on some kind of religious he calls it religious and then she lost everything and I'm like yes that's the way it's supposed to be that's how it is with the awakening the more you go with it you lose the interest in the world so I would just answer with like really with what was in my heart and at some point he would just still like talk and talk and I really had to at some point I was like that's it I was like that's enough I told him that is enough I did not care for these comments I just really don't these are just not in alignment in my heart and I was like every so often he'd ask me like how can I help you do you need anything I was like if you really love me like the path like the path is my life like then you'll support this and these simple comments they're not supportive they're not in alignment and it's as simple as that and yes it dropped he was still you can feel he was probably doubtful but he can feel his strength he could just feel the strength in it and I can feel it and it was just like that kind of like just again just really deep just being so focused on the prayer of the heart and then in that yeah and if there's fear if there's like deep fear that rises and it's just like then just go to prayer right away and ask spirit to remind you who like to remind you of what is it that you want like if sometimes like so heavy that like there's a tendency to forget and it's like remind me like please remind me and it's like it's always and I assure you like it'll show up as a symbol and it's like if that if it's true empathy is like what you truly want then you're gonna this is what you're gonna receive this is you're gonna receive only that and it's just like a call to really be vigilant you know it's not about like like forgiveness is not passive it's not just sitting there just like I'm forgiving and it's just like no no no no with these thoughts they're thoughts people are thoughts and it's just at some point it's like do you want this in the mind and they're just like asking even spirit for help to address it and sometimes it's just too much and too sometimes thoughts are so heavy and then like another symbol is actually given to help to address the thought like symbol of the Holy Spirit you know either it's a mining companion and it's just really worthy of a clean mind like that worthy of the mind that without like without doubt thoughts they do not serve and it's just that kind of and there's no need to be higher art like there's no need for hierarchies just like I'll accept I will address everything but my family but my kids but my mother right and and it's just now it's all or nothing it's like you're worthy you're like the full mind to have a full like mind to be clean and clear and you're worthy of the whole to be in support of you to be in support of the call of your heart including your mother and your family everything so it's just that kind of just to not to not be passive like passive like the ego passive you know because ego like it'll tell you you just forgiveness you have to forgive you know forgive meanwhile it's just like it'll tell you tolerate my blah blah blah you know so it's like that's ego's forgiveness it's like tolerate me you know don't you have to forgive me no like no mercy to illusions you know yeah some of you I remember there was a movie did anyone see the movie Grand Canyon with Kevin Klein and Danny Glover Steve Martin I remember there's a scene where the where the Kevin Klein he plays Mack but I think and his his wife really starts to open up pretty quickly and have a lot of miracles it's fun to see it on the big screen she just gets more and more excited she just starts to her heart opens she's having more and more and more miracles and finally it shows a scene one morning where she just is like bubbling with joy at all the miracles that she's experiencing and Kevin Klein Mack just starts into all this fear and doubt and she's like that is an appropriate response to a miracle whatever on the big screen I remember I was at the theater with some of course the miracle friends were all like that's true empathy going on here true empathy instead of like trying to react or respond at all that's not an appropriate response to a miracle she is bubbling in the miracle but she's also bubbling in true empathy you know and she goes right on she's got a miraculous expression and she can't hold it back she has to express it this isn't like a debate whether there's a miracle or not the miracle is shining is beaming it's extending it's a gift it's the word you say gift gift it's a gift it's a gift you gotta remember the miracle is a gift and and fear is not an appropriate response to the miracle and that's the demonstration when you become more consistently miracle minded wow what a demonstration what a conversion what a transformation of consciousness it's beautiful it's wonderful it can be celebrated like Jesus said don't hide your light under a bushel you are the light of the world and it's just been this old programming of I'm not sure who I am and then little and make the best of it there's no true empathy in that way of living that's not really living at all that's what I liked about the grand canyon movie it was really calling everyone out of the darkness into the light and they had all these helpful Danny Glover the Kevin Kline character and then there's all these things and even Steve Martin who was just making crazy violin movies he has a change of heart maybe I'll make other movies and she's like really what's happened to you it's like the miracles extend and spread and then all the characters start just demonstrating the miracle it's contagious gloriously contagious so I think that's what we'll start to see a bit in here already these characters are showing up just suffering and asking for help and then they become more they're online they're they're uploaded they're online and then the autonomous ones the ones that are still projecting fear those are just the delphas and they aren't coming up we're going to transcend them more true empathy that's not human that's not a human response we're not going to fight them we're going to transcend them that is not human that's great he wants to upload me to it's consciousness absolutely not we inject the infected virus into my system and then I go back and let him upload me that's going from him to it I was kidding more it's it was interesting when Max was just talking about the thing about you can love someone and hate what they do she said can you can you reconcile that reconcile that and he said yes I can that is the whole attempt of this world to reconcile love and hate that's duality that's just saying yes I can they both exist and this is just the way it is have it in hell love and hate can't have one without the other heaven and hell heaven and hell go together this is what duality is about so as you go into spirituality basically you have a choice between finding what what the Johnny Depp character calls singularity or union or oneness or this heaven and hell you know this kind of that's what life is it's both that's crazy remember they used to tell us things like you gotta take the good with the bad reconcile yourself you're human you've got to take the good with the bad it's not all good there's bad it's just it's a dualistic belief system and this the ego has made the world with all of its cliches and phrases and everything no one's perfect well actually the one is perfect and the duality is the illusion that you can start to see you can't really hold on to duality and dualism and know who you are and who you are is not dual but it's just like I'm just noticing every time I watch it I see something else and he's like he says a new can like Reckon's office he says yeah oh yeah guns, bullet, attacks, viruses yeah, yeah, yeah kill the threat yeah, yeah the world's like yeah it's how it's done exterminate well they're they're helping people that's not right that's just not right on whose name do they do all these healing you know it's like it's like there's disease and health disease disease and health disease and health you can see it's just a song of you've got to take both there's nothing more than both Reckon's office Reckon's office that's it okay we're coming to the climax here you know this reminds me of the course you know this is the belief that you can kill God and when people read that they go what that sounds so funny kill God kill God but you see what this is the humans are now injecting a virus in her hoping he will upload her because he trusts her and that can wipe out this universal intelligence you know give this universal intelligence a virus and wipe it out thinking that the universal intelligence is some machine you know but you see underneath it there's a vicious intent you know not only guns and everything virus using a virus you know to to stop universal intelligence to kill it it's really you hardly see that on the big screen where this is an attempt to kill universal intelligence usually it's just kill the enemy now the enemy is universal intelligence so just feed it a virus you know oh it trusts her okay let's kill it with that it's just really this intention when you start to realize that the belief system that made this world is the belief system that says you can kill God it's the same belief system so if you believe that the earth is solid and you've got your feet firmly planted on solid earth what's underneath that belief that you've got your solid feet planted on the solid earth the belief that you can kill God that's what that is that's what that is that's what that is it doesn't seem to make the connection you know but if you believe you're a human with feet solidly planted on the earth then that's underneath that is the belief you can kill God now this is really acting it out in an extreme way but that's where this is all heading some of you is this in the course go to the workbook when you have a chance and go to the workbook lesson number 13 go to Jesus is 13 see what Jesus has to say at 13 a meaningless world and genders fear is the actual title of number 13 a meaningless world and genders fear and then he goes on and he drops his atomic bomb in 13 read on past the first paragraphs that go on down to the bottom of the page where he puts something else in there the title of number 13 is a meaningless world and genders fear but if you read on he says meaningless world and genders fear because you believe in competition with God I believe I am in competition with God and then he says you may find this you may find high resistance to this because he's beginning his cause and effect his true cause and effect teaching that a meaningless world and genders fear the world is neutral we spirits neutralize the world the world really isn't fearful but it's fearful if you believe you're in competition with God if you believe you can kill God then that's what it is so this is on the big screen this is a big enactment of like AI we call it like universal intelligence and they think they're going to upload a virus to wipe out it's like this this enemy that they don't understand and they're very frightened by you know you just attack what you don't understand and they don't understand this and the ego doesn't understand the Holy Spirit the ego will never understand the Holy Spirit it feels like there's something above it but it doesn't know quite what it is because the ego cannot know the Holy Spirit but that's what all this attacking is attack to protect so as the FBI agent comes away from there he's building an army out there that's the way the FBI thinks some guys lifting some heavy weights oh that's not good that's not good at all he's building an army out there army what makes him an army but you see how it goes and then the fear that's called Washington whether it's a mass destruction whether it's a mass destruction there's such a fear of looking for an external enemy an external danger that's what this whole world is the belief that there is an external danger it's really active now so that's getting pretty close to a direction scene it's pretty close people say well there's no Jesus in this movie well that's it's pretty close and you can see her face start to melt too it's a familiar form it's not a strange form it's a form that she fell in love with or so she thought you know what we do remember they rode to Emmaus and they're walking along and they're feeling all this love with this brother that they're walking with and then suddenly they see who it is that they're walking with it's again the form morphing by the spirit to bring it through in a way that it can be accepted and received all this fear and hurry even getting injected with a virus to go and kill the universal intelligence that appears Johnny Depp comes through Mickey is like yeah this is upside down logic it's like the more danger she's in the better it is am I the only one that's hearing this this is kind of the logic this is military intelligence the more danger she's in the more chance to upload her and we'll save the day through destruction again we'll destroy the enemy you know this believes that there's an external enemy like weapons of mass destruction we have a suspicion that there's weapons of mass I saw an interview not maybe a month ago Dick Cheney the vice president of the United States was being interviewed and she said but there were no the reporters said there were no he says well we all knew there was this is years after like oh we all knew there was oh did we all we all said we were toast drinking our coffee going yep yep weapons of mass destruction better better bomb the hell out of them better get some good destruction going so it's an external enemy it's really funny it was a hilarious interview because he went right on just that no you're wrong of course we knew of course we knew they were there now let's talk about Obama and all the terrible things he said he quickly got to get some more anger and projection going it's just absolutely and so this is your alternative you either accept the call you're being called by God to accept the atonement accept the correction answer the call or this is your option this is your this is the other option not much of an option but you can see it's just playing out so I'd love this scene though the more danger she's in the better okay the military is surrounded by the messengers of peace they're just calmly staring like are you doing what is this it's just funny they're all circling the building they're all safe from peace up there on the top of the building where they can fire their weapons and check out what's going on how much destruction they're registering and then they're surrounded it's interesting by the symbols they're all looking at hmm that's a face there those are what is this forgive them for they know not what they do interesting beautiful seeming ending too because it's what you know we we open our hearts to seek not to change the world seek rather to change your mind about the world seems like different outcomes of a clean vibrant healthy mother earth or kind of a bleak earth with no electronics like a y2k outcome but what we're really learning from all of this is that there aren't really outcomes on earth because it's an illusion you can't have positive illusions and negative illusions and it's really an oxymoron to heal the planet you know that was her dream and he gave her a glimpse into it you know really all the different symbols of regeneration with bodies and the glimpse at the end where she said I can see everything it's how gracious spirit is whatever you believe is what you perceive but in the end it wasn't about whether he healed her body or took the the uploading of the virus or the form of things playing out however they play out that's really the glory is you can really let go what I'm saying is you can't make the world a better place you can let go of that dream too because peace of mind is what this is about not making a better effect it's seeing that that the world is an unreal effect from an unreal cause the ego and therefore you don't need a better effect what is unreal doesn't need to be made better and this is actually very relieving that peace of mind is everything and the form has no meaning whatsoever that starts off with lesson one nothing I see means anything I had a friend that went to the woods with me and the woods of Kentucky and she was working on the first ten lessons of a course of miracles she started to skip ahead she was quite impatient with the first ten it's got to get better than this I said what's wrong with the first one nothing I see means anything that's insulting that's personally insulting they do get better she said right can I look ahead and see you don't get any better than that you can get the first one you don't need the rest of the 364 so now all you've got to get is one because truth is simple again it's not a cumulative thing she says but don't they like build on each other like it's got to get better than this these are terrible terrible just graceful but see this is the whole thing it's going beyond the positive and the negative duality it all comes back to transcending duality she says why is it like you trying to fight them we need to fight them we'll transcend them we'll transcend the opposites we'll transcend the duality we'll transcend the right and wrong the good and bad the like and dislike we'll transcend this craziness there could be two really that's what this is about but just think how relieving and relaxing that is for your mind of not even trying to make the world a better place let's talk about dirt you know there's been a lot of monasteries and convents and there was this interesting phrase cleanliness is next to godliness clean dirty oh my gosh this ego is sneaky sneaky sneaky it even believes that clean is better than dirty some of you are going to stay behind and help clean the monasteries but you're going to keep that in mind and he's like David don't go too far with this you're responsible for a clean monastery and you're disempowering these people when you really start to think of it it's just anything with dualistic connotations anything at all you can let it go you know so even the great prophet Michael Jackson had it a little bit wrong feel the world make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race no Michael no I'm sorry this is about healing yes it is about healing but not heal the world don't try to heal the world you can't heal what's not real that be your mantra the next time somebody says we're going to try to save the planet you can't heal what's not real we don't have to think like that anymore we don't have to think it seemed pretty good for a while heal the world sounded pretty good but then no it's tricky let's just start to see that's why the second book I was healing in mind healing change your mind about your mind how do I change my mind about my mind well your mind was created by God to be changeless so if you believe in change then you need to change your mind about your mind your mind is changeless and the ego says no everything changes no change is an illusion eternity doesn't change what is the definition of eternity forever you don't need to make a better forever so it's you know these are like really deep teaching but this this movie really gets a lot of that stuff you know really kind of suddenly flushes all that up even at the end you know and she says I see everything beautiful kind of glimpse of healed waters and healed air you know kind of air without pollution waters without pollution you know vibrancy vitality those are symbols but those have all been made up too you know it's just another trick you see how deep it goes and even regenerating the body you know healing the body is another contradiction in terms you know you can't heal what's not real you see how deep the mesmerism goes the healing is associated with the body because the sickness is associated with the body is not seeing that sickness is just perceiving then your time perceiving distortions that's what the sickness is it's a distortion in perception it's not in the body that's why when people say well you know if he was a saint why did he get cancer that sounds like a real question but the body can't get cancer it's an image it's a new thing it's like saying that this this cup could get cancer what are the chances of this plastic coca-cola cup getting cancer really 0 it's just an image what do you think the body is it's an image you see how the ego projects something onto the body it says oh no no plastic cups can get cancer that's ridiculous but bodies oh my child danger you know these are it's just projection of thought if things can be a certain way even cartoons when cartoons were first drawn in comic books they seemed to be these inanimate images they were just on the pages and then Walt Disney decided to flick them together in a quick rapid succession and then what do we call that animation it's like giving motion or giving life to that which has no motion in life see how it goes from a picture to animation that's another trick of the ego let's see the planet earth has got a lot of animation going on but that's a trick too this is our last movie where this is the tools we're leaving it's deep deep stuff and if you seek not to change the world or you seek not to make the world a better place it really frees your mind up for peace which is a worthy goal as long as you believe you're not it it sends you in the right direction and we try to fix the world but it just doesn't it doesn't really go anywhere we're also saying be intuitive if you hear the spirit speaking to you and saying eat healthy it's just that you believe things about health and the spirit has to filter through that belief system and help you so again it's all about following the guidance it's not about trying to ignore guidance I had a friend one time with it he had a succession of heart attacks and after he had like maybe three or four heart attacks you know he talked to Jesus and he said what's going on why do I keep having these heart attacks and Jesus said something to the effect of well I told you you could stop exercising and I told you you could still eat these certain kinds of foods but I didn't tell you to stop taking your blood pressure medicine it was just again listen follow if you're wound into a maze of really in complexity then just allow the spirit to unwind the mind from from that belief system it's not telling you that certain things are necessarily healthy or unhealthy or good or bad it's thoughts you know Jesus does say that in his workbook I can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts so that sends you in the right direction to forgive and release attack thoughts but it's not about trying to say that these things are more healthy than those things and so on and so forth and in the end you can see you just have to be very trusting and intuitive with your guidance that's always the key I will step back and let him lead the way as a workbook lesson that's opening and yielding to that beautiful guidance within you that will set you free and it's highly individualized so you don't need to go around telling people what's healthy and what's not healthy follow your intuitive spirit is is the pathway not trying to determine you know if you do these things it will kill you if you do those things it will kill you you know it's the world doesn't understand what the killing is it's the ego in the mind it's just a murderous thought that has to be forgiven not a bunch of things in the world in the end you pluck the offence out of your mind you see the impossibility of separation and then that's what the healing is the whole process of exercising is convincing your mind and then when your mind believes it it gets reflected back with your body change there are it seems like there would be a way to skip the whole exercise but then why would you want to right? yeah it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy it's all belief if you diet you'll get thin if you exercise you'll get muscular you know it's all false associations but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that's what makes it so convincing the placebo thing if people believe it believe it will help them it does it's because the mind is that powerful that's what the placebo is about so it's not trying to downplay the power of the mind in any way but the more you go in the more you see I really need to look at belief I need to take an honest look at belief that's what the Course of Miracles helps you do it just literally takes you by the hand and says come on we're taking a journey inside your mind I have the light she says I have the lamp we're going to light up all the dark crevices and you'll be free so that's beautiful and it's a shift in purpose I remember in the parable of David played all these sports golf, tennis, basketball and went to the gym to lift weights be on the exercise bikes, treadmills, cardiovascular fitness going shopping reading ingredients as I'm going down the aisles looking low in polys and saturated fats and you know you go through it you believe it and you perceive it but you believe you receive it's really that way and so then when I started getting into the Course it was like oh this is a Course in mind training looking at my thoughts paying attention to my emotions uncovering beliefs oh it's a systematic Course too that's good it's not like a little hit or miss thing so it was just one among many pathways to God that work and you just keep applying and applying and applying I can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts I like that one okay well I'm going to really practice forgiveness then if I can be hurt by nothing but my thoughts and my vulnerability is going to come from real thoughts and my vulnerability is going to come from attack thoughts so I would like to release these attack thoughts and yes of course you do that works and you just trust I tell that parable of when I came up to the monastery I hadn't been here for a while and I came here and she was standing in the pond and said what are you doing they told me to clean the rocks we just had we met I looked at her eyes and okay this girl's got faith really really you can trust or you can ask why but and I'm not talking about crazy wisdom just blindly doing anything but she had a feeling like oh I'm here for a reason and there's something that I'm supposed to experience and I'm and I don't know the way like I don't know the way but spirits knows how but the desire for the experience is so deep it's like that it's just like such deep readiness and I don't know the way and I remember yeah yeah and it's just like yes yes yes just simple trust that everything somehow spirit is working in the mysterious way to bring to bring me bring me up to the experience however you want to call it just like for it to open the mind up so that it can be received and it's like and that's like the only like like I said it's just like this new way of thinking and so the world from there on everything that's used it's like it's only for the experience there's no other purpose it's like it's like from there it's like from there on and it was never about like completing something or doing something it was only just like the means to heaven really the means to like which is heaven is a state of mind so it's all the means to heaven and it's all very dear from therefore it's it's valuable that's the only value there's no like there's no other value in anything so it's just like as long as it serves and then I don't even have to decide has it served has it not like what how long it's like it's all given it's all very clear and it's like it's all under experience control and it's like I don't have to worry about it it's like I don't have to just sit there come on come up like with the means it's like what's most helpful I don't have to do any of this it's just like simply being so open I'm so grateful that it's like spirit knows the way and trust thing and having faith and yeah and then just like and then it's fun and from there on it's just fun kind of like it's fun because kind of like nothing makes sense but it's great but you can nothing make sense but the feeling of joy is there and it's present and that's all that matters and it's like oh yeah this is good this is spirit given okay let's go yeah it's just you let go of thinking things matter it was fun when I learned that you still have clothes from when you were like 13 or somewhere 15 you know or a jacket that you had for years and years and years and years and years it's just like there's no question it serves just keep using what serves you don't need new versions of what serves just use what serves the simplicity of that or people say what does she eat you know and everything not much but occasionally some Cheetos it's Cheetos people are like what those orange you know does she have a balanced diet does she eat greens and fruits and grains Cheetos and Coke they say Coke you can get rust off of nails with Coke but so you see it's not what you put in your mouth somebody said this something about this 2000 years ago long hair it's not what you put in your mouth that defiles so it proceeds forth from the heart you've got to go deeper to look for the defilement don't look to try to find it in what you put or don't put it in your mouth it goes deeper than that in the same jacket for years and years and years I think this guy 2000 years ago said something about take no thought for what you should wear or eat maybe he wasn't joking maybe he actually meant take no thought for what you should wear maybe it wasn't some kind of mysterious cryptic message you get back to heaven you say oh I wanted to ask you about some of the things you said what I meant was take no thought for what you should wear but the ego has this thing called a palette it wants to be satisfied but the prophet Mick Jagger told us take no satisfaction he was coming at us from everywhere Beatles, Mick Jagger he's coming through our awareness you know and we're not meant to try to get satisfied in the world what happens when you satisfy the senses you want more and if you're willing to play the game it will be coming around again that's what time is it just comes around and around it just keeps perpetuating but what if this whole thing is not real then that's good that's a good insight safe to say Jesus drinks sour goat milk we know the apostles were concerned that he would be teaching for so many hours without putting much in the body and he would talk I have manna from heaven apparently he drank vinegar and he thought it was water and he was grateful they put the vinegar on his lips when you're transcended time and space and suffering and taste then vinegar on the lips is not good or bad it's neutral and this is very practical that's why we just really emphasize guidance really tune into your guidance it's so practical so very very practical contrast that you can become intuitive okay that was a great finale thank you thank you


Live from Barcelona, Spain, it's theCUBE, covering KubeCon CloudNativeCon Europe 2019, brought to you by Red Hat, the CloudNative Computing Foundation and ecosystem partners. Hi and welcome back, this is theCUBE's coverage of KubeCon CloudNativeCon 2019 here in Barcelona, Spain, we're at the end of day one of two days of live wall-to-wall coverage. I'm Stu Miniman and at the end of the day, what we try to do always is do our independent analysis and say what we really think, and joining me is someone that usually has no problem telling you exactly what he thinks online, so I've challenged Mr. Corey Quinn, cloud economist with the Duckbill Group and the curator, author, last week in AWS, to tell us what he actually thinks, so. Well, Stu, you know what your problem is. All the best feedback starts off that way. No, this has been a fascinating experience for me. This is the first time I've ever been to KubeCon and I didn't quite know what to expect, but it wasn't- Corey, it's KubeCon, not KubeCon, come on. It is in GitHub how you have to make the pronunciation correct, so KubeCon- We are on theCUBE. We would think that we would be subject matter experts on this. The CNCF will be cracking down on you if I don't correct you on this, so. I still maintain we're in Barcelona, Italy, but that's a whole separate argument to have with other people. Yes, well, most Americans are geographically challenged and we understand you have some challenges too. Exactly, when most Americans need to learn geography, we go to war. All right, so Corey, I guess first question for you is, you usually go to mostly AWS shows. Most of the customers we've talked to have been AWS customers, so is this feeling much different from the usual show you go to? The focus of the conversations is different and to be clear, I'm not much of a cloud partisan myself. I deal with AWS primarily because, not for nothing, that's where my customers are. That tends to be exactly where the expensive problems tend to live, for better or worse. If that changes, so will I. Yeah, so are you saying yet that the other cloud providers don't have their customers with big enough bills or they just haven't figured out how you might be able to help them in the future? To be very honest with you, yes, is the short answer. Right now in aggregate, my customers spend about a billion dollars a year on AWS. I don't see the same order of magnitude on other providers, but it's coming. It is very clearly coming. None of these providers are shrinking as far as size goes. It's largely a matter of time. All right, but Corey, I hope at least you've understood that Kubernetes has made the answer for all things and that multi-cloud is the way that we are today and will always be in the future and we should all hold hands and sing along that we all get along. Is that what you've learned so far? I think that's absolutely what I've learned so far. It comes down to religion and it's perfectly named for it. I mean, Kubernetes was the Greek god of spending money on cloud services. All right, but seriously, Corey, I think one of the things that I really liked is we talked to customers and there were some interesting things, at least I heard, when you talked about, they see huge value in what they're doing with Kubernetes. Many of them only have one cloud provider today, yet they are choosing to layer on Kubernetes either with AWS or with another solution there. What's been your take of what you've heard about kind of the why and what they're doing? There have been a few different reasons on it. One that resonated with me did validate what I talked about at the beginning of the day, which was that by trying to position yourself to be strategically amenable to any potential provider you might want to use in the future, you are sacrificing velocity and you're gaining agility, losing velocity to do that. Is that trade off worth it? I don't think I'm qualified to judge. I think that's a decision every business has to make on its own. My argument has always been that if that's a decision you make, do it knowingly. And I don't think we've talked to anyone who's made that unknowingly today. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. What else, what has surprised you or interest you that we've heard so far? I have to be honest. I have a long and storied history in open source. I was a staff on the Free Note IRC network for about a decade, which was an interesting time. And I've seen a lot of stuff, but I don't think I've ever seen two open source projects merge before. The fact that we saw that today is still swirling around in my head for better or worse. Yeah, and it was open census and open tracing coming together open telemetry. So definitely check out Ben Siegelman and it was Morgan McClain from Google Cloud. Really interested in discussion. And even, I don't think we're sharing too much when we say off camera they were like, look, it's like, yes, they got us in a room and we worked, but we'll try not to throw punches here on the set and everything like that. We understand that, look, there are people that put these things together and you have smart people that build things the way that it should be done. And these were not like two very similar projects going in the same direction. They were built with different design principles and therefore there will be some things that they will need to reconcile to be able to go forward. But yeah, very interesting. And everyone we spoke to today was very focused on what the needs of their customers, whoever they happen to be and how to meet those customers and their business requirements. There's no one that we spoke to that was sitting here saying, oh, this is the right answer because it is technically correct. The answers were always of the form, this is what we need to do in order to serve customers. And it's very hard to argue against that strategy. All right, but none of this really matters because serverless, right Corey? Oh, absolutely, serverless is the way and the light of the future. And to some extent, I believe that. But if they're not doing serverless, I'm pretty sure they're half a step behind you. Yes, yes, it's easy to make going ahead and say that, oh, if you're not running the absolute latest bleeding edge thing, you're behind, you're backwards, et cetera. And I don't get at all the sense that that is reality. I think that there's, if you're building something greenfield today, you're fundamentally going to make different choices than if you have something you're trying to carry forward. And I don't just mean carrying forward a technical sense. I mean carrying it forward in terms of process, in terms of culture, in terms of existing business units that need to modernize. People are moving in the same general direction. The question that I think is still unanswered is today there's a perception, rightly or wrongly, that containers are slightly behind serverless. I don't know that that necessarily holds true. I think that they are aligned toward the same business value. I think to judge either one of them by today's constraints in the context of longer-term strategy is a mistake. And I'm curious to see what happens. And Corey, I love. So we had Jeff Buran from Intuit. And they were like, look, we're doing serverless. We're doing a lot of containerless stuff. And I'd love it for my developer not to have to worry about. And they've even moved down that path. So we know one of the truisms out there is everything in IT is always additive. When you talk to them and say, oh, well, I'm going in the cloud, wait. I still have some stuff that's running on my mainframe or my i-series. And that will probably be running there when I've retired. We were talking offline. It's like, well, there's been a little research in COBOL just because it did not die after Y2K. And so these things always come back and it's always additive. And the longer you've been in business as a company, the more legacy you need to be able to maintain and extend and connect to where you want to go with the future. It's almost a sawtooth curve. As complexity continues to rise, it becomes the point where it's untenable. There's something that comes out that abstracts that away and you're back down to a level a human being might actually be able to understand. And you take it a step further and you start to see it again and again and again. And then it collapses down. Docker and a lot of the hand-built orchestration systems were like that and then Kubernetes came out and initially it was fairly simple and then things have been added to it now. And I think we're climbing that sawtooth curve again. Whether or not that maintains, whether or not that simplifies again, I find that history rhymes, particularly in tech. Well, yeah, and I always worry sometimes when you talk about the abstraction layer, you got to be really careful what you're abstracting. What we see here a lot is a lot of times it's people, how can I just consume that? I want to buy it as a service and somebody take care of that, not hiding, it hides the complexity for me but some of the complexity is still there. Right, so our site is now intermittently slow. What do you plan to do? It's update my resume immediately because we're never untangling that Gordian nod of an infrastructure. That's not a great answer but it is an honest one in some jobs. Look, and I've talked to, we know that there was, for a long time people outsourced what they were doing and we need to make sure that when you're buying something as a service that you haven't outsourced, that you understand what's important to your business, what happens when things go wrong? We had some discussion today about networking and observability that we need to be able to go down that rabbit hole, at least turn to somebody who can because just because I can't touch that gear doesn't mean my neck's not on the line if something goes wrong. You can outsource a lot of work, you can't outsource responsibility. Put slightly more succinctly, the line I've always liked was you own your own availability. If you have a provider that you've thrown a lot of these things over to and they go down, well sure, you're going to have loud angry phone calls and maybe a few bucks back from an SLA credit. We, your customers were down and were suffering. So the choices you made impact your business' perception in the market and your customers' happiness. So as much as fun as it is to be able to throw things over the wall for someone else to deal with, you're still responsible and I think that people forget that at their own peril. Yeah, Corey, one of the things I like, I've got a long history in open source too, is if there are things that aren't perfect or things that are maturing, a lot of times we're talking about them in public because there is a roadmap and people are working on it and we can all go to the repositories and see where people are complaining. So at a show like this, I feel like we do have some level of transparency and we can actually have realism here. What's been your experience so far and what do you think? I think that people have been remarkably transparent about the challenges that they're facing in a way that you don't often get at a vendor show. Where you have a single vendor, you're at their show, regardless of who that might be, you're not going to be invited back if you wind up with a litany of people coming on a video show or a podcast or screaming and sobbing in the bathroom, however you want to, whatever your media is, it would just have a litany of complaints the entire time or make that provider look bad. Here there's no, I don't sense that there's any of that pressure and for some reason, and this is my first KubeCon, so maybe this is just the way this culture works, everyone regardless of who they worked for or what they're working on or what their experience has been seems happy. I can only assume there's something in the water. All right, well I've just been informed that the CNCF had asked me to remove Corey because you refuse it to say KubeCon. But Corey, since this might be your last time on the program, any other final words that you have for it or I will let you do something very rare and if you have any questions for me, lob them my way. Absolutely, what did you find today that you didn't expect to find? Yeah, so the one that jumps out for me really is two things. One we discussed it already is the observability piece coming together. The other one is you talk about that maturation of where Amazon fits in this ecosystem and we had a lovely conversation with Abby Fuller but not just that when we talked to the users and how they think about it which is what really matters is there's so much talk about who contributes more code and who does the most here. But look, we're talking cloud. Most of these customers are using AWS as if not the cloud, one of the clouds. I've said it on theCUBE many times when you live in a hybrid and multi-cloud world and the public cloud, AWS is the far leader. There's no debating that. So they are participating here. They are doing plenty for what their customers want and they give choice and they listen to the feedback. So that was interesting to me, that maturation of where that sits because to be, when I come into the show and many times it is, well, it is the open source in this whole ecosystem trying to prevent Amazon from taking over the world. And look, we want a good robust ecosystem out there. While I have many friends that work for Amazon, we probably don't want to all be working for a single company down the road. But I certainly don't.  So that maturation of where they are has been interesting to me so far, especially from the user standpoint. Very much so. I don't think that anyone wants to look back and say, wow, I'm sure glad we have only one option in this entire space that does anything useful and then a whole bunch of could have but didn't. And for better or worse, I don't think that the future is nearly as clear cut as the past of cloud. Historically, AWS has been the 800 pound gorilla. I think that we're hearing fascinating things from GCP and from Azure. I don't necessarily think that the future is preordained. I do think right now it is AWS's game to lose, but I'm starting to see a lot of other players in the space start to make a lot of very interesting and arguably very correct moves. All right, well, we know you as our audience have lots of places where you can turn to find your information and we are always pleased that when you turn to us to watch theCUBE, if you have any feedback for ourselves, Corey Quinn and myself, Stu Miniman, reach out on Twitter, we're easy to reach on that and we have lots of hosts. So if you're like, hey, tired of looking at this mug here, let us know, but hopefully we're asking the questions and digging into the areas that you want and will help your businesses going forward. So we are at the end of day one, two days live coverage here at KubeCon, CloudNativeCon. This is theCUBE, your leader in live tech coverage. Thanks for watching.