i think the what i mentioned about the fact that there's no evident national convening authority uh... not even the catholic church played a role in several of the transitions talking about i wrote the sentence carefully it's it doesn't mean that the catholic church can't play an important role uh... the catholic church is both a national institution and an international institution and i i i think there is a a likelihood or at least a possibility that uh... that the Vatican and its people in ceo and so on could play an important role there i think the for the international community which you know is in some broad sense here represented the opposition is more accessible uh... than the government venezuelan situation part of what it takes to make a successful transition an opposition that is not absolutely focused on defeating the rascals and pushing them out but rather on figuring out how to use the leverage they have and their relationship with the international community to create a different situation in which their capacity to be influential in the future of the country increases and you know like what you were saying about about various stages of that and there you know getting the opposition to think about this situation in venezuela not as a one-shot deal but as improving their leverage and their capacity to have an influence and moving through a series of stages there are you know there are obviously other national elections presidential elections in the future uh... there are also possibilities formulas for different kind of shared governance that have occurred in different situations so that's where i would kind of look for imagining a different uh... i'm gonna just ask take one minute and then we're gonna have to break i'm sorry okay um... burma was and burma was basic as that the transition that's going on in burma right now is basically a top-down transition brought about by the elites on both the the opposition and the military side uh... the government side of the major dominant ethnic group in the country the bummer uh... it will not be successful until managed to bring the minorities into the mainstream of the country's political and economic life and that is the process that's going on right now in the peace process thanks um... uh... in terms of uh... top-down bottom-up uh... i think burma and yanmar is actually unusual in uh... having sort of top uh... initiated reform because all of the countries that i've looked at in uh... so from former soviet union eastern europe generally the pressures have come from below but let me just take it thirty seconds on the other question decentralization versus centralism i mean that this is actually a key question in many transitions but the question i would counterpose to that is uh... what what are you actually trying to create and i would say we're actually trying to create engaged conscious citizens of these countries what's the best way to do that uh... probably with more decentralization of political power and economic power and of course not at the expense of the state collapsing or uh... failing but uh... there's a big role here also for democratic culture but i would say and let's keep our eyes on what is it that we want from these transitions and i would say informed democratic citizens who can choose their own form of government michael one minute uh... well the question of uh... top down versus bottom up uh... important one uh... what what is an enabling environment several things have been mentioned has been brought out uh... there's a long list of factors more or less relevant to this or that country i would argue however that the balance should be shifted particularly in the poor uh... more vulnerable cases to more direct elite engagement uh... rather than expecting civil society to save the day uh... i recommend uh... reading donald horowitz's uh... book on indonesia which uh... whose transition he calls an inside job uh... shows how uh... leaders collaborated to uh... preempt potential for social policy polarization to uh... to erupt and uh... enacted a number of reforms uh... took the initiative themselves uh... but save the day for their own interests as well so rectifying that balance not looking to uh... what kind of become a kind of crusade kind of us versus them uh... climate uh... in which people like putin can and can exploit uh... moogabi can can uh... play on uh... as as undo for an intervention thanks very much i'm sorry to go over i know that's hard on people's schedules but i just want to thank the panel we've uh... this is such a rich discussion we're gonna have to have much more but i think there's much to be learned here about the ways in which uh... one uh... can see kinds of rule and opportunities for uh... even authoritarian and autocratic leadership to evolve and some of the factors that will make a difference the roles of civil society and economic policy which came up in the zimbabwe uh... discussion very relevant uh... and uh... and and a lot to to go into i'm sorry that uh... we didn't have a few more hours but i do want to thank the panel very much and thank you all for being here and please join me in thank you


You know what the best thing about Dragonflight is? You don't need candles to buff. 9% move speed is kind of nice. All right, so we've got ring and chance, boot speed. We've got int on legs, we've got nothing on belt. I don't think there's anything on belt or gloves, but I might be wrong. We've got a Versa proc on weapon, speed on braces, some stats on chest, speed on cloak, nothing on shoulders. We're missing a socket on this, but it was expensive and then we've got nothing on the helm. Where you get this stuff from? Back to RAF yesterday. I don't think I did a single penance with that int right by running.  It's so super hard to go back and forth because of that. Penance while I'm moving is feel so natural. Why didn't I just get in first? No one knows. Wait, Bart's getting it undispellable. Nani? This guy's super annoying, man. Can we kill him already? All right, I've had enough of this guy now.  Warlocking around. Dude, my UI. What happened? Someone leaves it bugs the UI. Intelligent design. If you've got one word to describe the Blizzard dev team, why is it intelligent? Pick the flag. I just want to man up on this guy. Fuck, I've got no spells.  Yo, focus. Man, raid. What's up, man? Thank you. I want no water. Oh, geez. They followed me, man. They're not, they're not getting juked. How's he hitting me? What's this range? Dude, why is that whole team here? Oh, that's a brutal fear. Oh, not that brutal. I need someone to swap, man. Man down. Yo, we capped the flag. They had like five guys panning on me for so long that they lost the flag. Any cappers. Do you know what's really sad? The surge of light not working on Smite. That's really sad. Surge of light, it's like you get this fucking... Nope, that's not it. It just looks like surge of light. Where the fuck's surge of light? We'll find it eventually, no doubt. Okay, I'm googling it. Oh, okay, here. Your healing spells on Smite have an 8% chance to make the next flash heal instant, of course, no matter. Should just be Smite as well. Would make spec so much more fluid. I'm gonna try and play with... Actually, I already have a wood shield. 30% of the damage you deal refills your powered shield. I really wonder how we can track this. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? Dude, look at this OP man with flagship. Oh, my days. It's just scooted past everyone, dude. What? He's a beast. Okay, bro. Oh yeah, everyone has kicknail, don't they?  Fatty healer. Dude, my dam, by the way. Oof. I was pumping, 4.2. Shall we see if we can do more? I wasn't even focusing on damage there. Yeah, it should make the Smite instant cast. It would be so good. Mind you, I'm enjoying DF so far. This actually feels pretty fun to play.


Good afternoon. Thank you for your time. Can we get some injury latest news? Do you want me to say the names or can you just... Yeah I think I will try to say everything at once. I think especially the full back department I would say, no? Apart from Tyler, in the rest are all full backs. I'm trying to remember not to forget anyone, but yeah. I think Max is obviously out, he has a muscle injury, he will be out for some time. We will not recover Adam, so we will be there thin. And the only one that I think he will try to train today, and knowing him also I think he will be in the squad, will be Milosh. I think Milosh is really close and I think he's the only one with chances to get involved. And the rest I think we continue the same. So just take those one by one with Milosh, that's obviously good news. Yes it's good news, he will try today. I think he did some things with the group yesterday. With Milosh he's down, energetic, you know, and I know he will push. And if he has a chance he will try to take it. And I hope he has good sensations today. He has been out for some weeks, so I don't know his fitness level, which one will be because it's not the same training alone and be part of the group, but I think at least we can use him if we need it yet. Because he's touch and go, does the fact that it's an FA Cup game against the championship side enter into your thinking? No, no, for me it's an FA Cup game. And it's the last one we have until we earn another one. It's like this, we have to see it like this. We have to earn the right to play the next round next game, and we have to take it like our last chance. If we don't take it tomorrow, maybe, no, for sure, we will not have more. We will not have more. That's crashing out of the cup. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe you remember me. But I hope no, I hope no, I hope no. Going back to the injuries, you say Adam is no as well, Adam Smith? No, Adam Smith no, he's not with the group. So any more information on that? At least he's not ready. He's not ready to, he hasn't done anything with the group and we have to follow his progress and whenever he feels ready he will be with the group but it's still not now. And then you describe Max as a massive injury? Massive no muscle injury. I've made this mistake a couple of times. I've made this mistake a couple of times. I have to change the, it's a muscle injury and I don't know how long it will take but you have a lot of references with this kind of injuries, hamstring injury. I don't know, I don't want to say exact detail. Antoine is coming back. Bad news for him, good news for you? Yes, it's obviously bad news for him because they wanted to go to the next round and they had a really good team but they've been eliminated and he's travelling right now he will arrive I think tomorrow morning so it's going to be difficult for him. It's going to be difficult but I will try and talk to him and maybe he can be on the bench but it's going to be difficult because he will spend the night travelling and when this happens normally you don't resuel. Because he played every game, didn't he? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? At least we know that he hasn't lost this, you know the form he has been demanded for sure physically and mentally because this kind of tournament, a lot of things going on a lot of tension I'm sure, they all wanted to do well but ok, this finish for him and now he has to focus again, try to help the team in the way he was doing before the African Cup of Nations and I'm sure he will be ready it's difficult for tomorrow but for the next games. Marcos obviously back from suspension now will he be involved tomorrow night? I think he has a chance, yes he has a chance to be involved, we have to make decisions and we have options now in the centre-backs area with Lloydy also being able to play the other day James Hill, Meps, Sava started, Marcos now I have quite a lot of options in this area Right at the start you were talking about the injuries being mainly in the full back position does that change your thinking I know you've been asked this before but again, does that change your thinking about the rest of the transfer window? I think we have to think because at the end we have the numbers but right now they are not available and we have been like this last I would say month and something because different injuries sometimes you are lucky that most of the things are happening in that area right left side we have been with a proper left back for month and something now that we were recovering max we lose max and still we don't have Adam so we don't have a specific right back but we have to see I think it's something for the medical staff because if they think we are going to recover Adam, Milo is going to be well whenever we have also the chance to have Dango that I think he did very well in that position we have the numbers, it's about the availability now The decision makers, the money man there must be a list there of potentials that could come in and help if needed there must be working on it in the background there are always lists and there are always the options in different even if you don't need any specific player in one position all the clubs work very well and they have lists for whenever something happens but we have to take the decisions who to sign, what is the most needed player what is available because it's not always an easy market this market is normally in the summer you have more options and in the winter market the options normally are quite reduced Against QPR, Kifemore started and scored do you imagine he will start again tomorrow night? You will see tomorrow, you will see I cannot tell the starting line now because I know that Swanson Manair will be listening and I think he has been really good whenever he has had a chance the other day he came he had a really good chance also even when we were losing and I think he has his chances but it's true that Dom is playing really well and it's also a very good alternative always for me Could he almost see the FA Cup Kifemore as a shot window because potentially I guess if you got the right offer and you could find a replacement as a chance no, no, no I think he will see the game like a chance to play if I decide so and try to help the team I don't think one game or some minutes or whatever it's going to change anyone's future You hinted at it earlier before the cup fell over that you see it as just another game a game you want to win would you like to progress far in the FA Cup? Of course, every team will like to progress every dream and I think it's a good opportunity for us but I know that every time you play this competition you are with our against QPR two mistakes in two minutes and you are almost out and we were almost out and this can happen anytime whenever you go into the pitch we are facing a team that has changed manager we know them from the Carabao Cup but I think they've changed a little bit their style it's not going to be even for us to prepare for the game because they have different tactical approaches they haven't been playing just for two, three games it's not a lot of time to prepare properly probably for us and we have to be very ready because I think tactically will be a demanding game for us I've used my mouth muscle too much we've had an update of the training ground complex and how well it's coming on I bet you can't wait to get there yourself now can you? I've seen it the same way as you have I went there I think once and especially the dome, I watched the dome and I think it's something very good not specifically for the first team especially for the young team for the academy I think it looks really nice Considerable investment over the past 12 months in the training ground and Dony is certainly going to help with potential new players when they look at a facility like that I know that you've got good facilities now but this is state of the art out of this world almost Yeah, at the end it's good that the club is progressing I think it's helping we'll see with the academy and it's something for the mid-long future of the club I think there are all positives And bringing together the academy and the first team all under the same roof as well that's got to be beneficial certainly for you as the first team manager and for the club in general Yeah, I feel quite the same now because we are in straight contact especially with Alan that is with the under 21s and all the staff that is working with us in the offices but obviously new facilities new training rounds it's a big step for the club It's been a very successful few days for the club in competitions what were the youth team winning in the youth cup the women winning in the Hampshire senior cup and then on Monday night the development squad progressing to the last 16 of the Premier League cup now they've got another group game on Saturday you obviously don't have a game so it would be great to see as many people at Wimborn on Saturday for that game and how well they're doing Yeah, I think they were really good the other day against Wolves I think they had a really good performance like in the 18s the week before and it's good that they keep these demands of the competitions they face strong opposition like it will happen on Saturday I'm sure it's going to be really exciting for them


the executive render update from the pre-discussion of the drive-off center for treatment. This side we can have the conversation before the executive session, where I'll be recusing myself there. Sorry, two months ago. Hearing no members of the public wishing to address the board, we'll move on then to agenda item number three, the consent agenda. Are there any requests to remove an item from the consent agenda and address it specifically? Kelton? Yes, I was hoping we could remove the executive director update off the consent agenda. Very good. Any other requests? And then just as a reminder, the process with the consent agenda, if there are no requests to remove something from the consent agenda, it is approved as presented and tonight it is with the exception of item 3.6 on the consent agenda, the executive director update. So I'll declare the consent agenda approved and then we'll move right into the discussion of the executive director update. Sarah, would you care to start the conversation on that? Sure, I'm just crawling past all the finance pages. One thing I will say is that we will be not including this amount of detail with the finances going forward. This was the end of the year, especially finances from fiscal 21. So it is taking a little bit to scroll down through. So you will not have this level of detail going forward in future packets. We're going to have a much skater version of the finances on a monthly basis. So if anyone was wondering why there are so many pages of finance. And I just want to jump in to help everybody out. If you're following in your board packet, the executive director update is on page 76. I'm going to try to point that out as we go along. Thank you. So yeah, so I'm happy to review any of the items on the, on my update. If there's one in particular that we wanted to discuss aside from drop-up center retreat. Oh, you can probably start with that. Otherwise we can certainly talk about the Richmond RP process and then which does lead into the need, I think, for another retreat. But if there are other items on the update that anyone wanted to discuss before we discuss that, I'm happy to do so. So let's dive right into the Richmond DOC. And I think you gave a good update or an overview in your report. So I don't think you have to go into too much detail about what's transpired so far. Yeah, and frankly, that process has been conducted at the select board level in the public arena. So everything is, you know, they're still proceeding along their path. Logan, I'm not sure if you have heard anything differently as far as the timeline of the last meeting I was at. The select board was still intending to bring a decision on the Richmond transportation back to the full select board at their meeting on the 7th of September. And Logan is nodding, so we'll see what that is. It's still the case. Okay, thank you. However, I think it does offer us a good opportunity to take another look at our drop-off center system. As many of the board members may recall, we did hold a board staff retreat about drop-off centers in 2018. That was kind of the year of retreats where we had one of the compost facility on the Murph and on the DOC's. And enough has changed in the past three years, I think that we want to, I'm recommending that we go back and have another maybe not full day, but maybe a half day really focused on the drop-off center system. Not just, you know, because of where we are with Richmond, there's also the uncertainty at this point about what may be the future of anything in Burlington. So we have two of our communities that are being flux. And again, we've learned a lot of lessons through our COVID experience with the drop-off centers in particular. So I do think it's a very good opportunity to take another look, a hard look, ask those same questions, but with updated information, new data, new perspective, and just make sure that we are truly setting ourselves up well for the next 20, 30 years, or are there really big changes that we need to make? I think we want to have that conversation I think sooner rather than later is my preference. I would like to make sure that we have a good, hearty conversation and that it'd be worthwhile and we're asking the right questions. We have enough people around the table it can be difficult to schedule a retreat, but that's why I want to bring it up now so that we can have you thinking about it. If it is something that the board also feels is a good idea, then we'll want to start really pulling that information together. Well, I don't know if you wanted to add anything to the conversation, you and I've talked a little bit about it. Yeah, thank you. With the possibility that Cancelo would be the winning bidder for the Richmond Drop-off Center, that introduces the private sector into the operation of drop-off centers. Cancelo may in fact be aggressive and interested in further expanding this business, that part of their business, and it's good for us to have that philosophical question. Should we be in the drop-off center business, or is this something that would be appropriate, perhaps better done through the private sector? I think there are some commissioners who have raised that question many times over the years, so it's good to have a vigorous discussion about that. And also as many drop-off centers will be requiring in the near future further capital improvements and investments, it's worth having that discussion and having the board provide direction to Sarah and CSWD staff on moving forward. So I think it's entirely appropriate and an excellent idea. Sarah had proposed, I think, late October, early November, I presume, a Saturday morning. That's how we had them in the past. I'm certainly open to other options for a half day, but what we have done before was a nine to one or nine to two. I don't know that we would need that long, but we could certainly do it eight to 12, nine to one. But by the half of the day, I don't think we need a full day. Any other board members think it's a good idea or have comments about the timing, Alan? Yeah, I think it's an excellent idea and hopefully we'll develop a lot of discussion about it. Please remember the second, third and fourth weekend of November is your season, Sarah. Yes, understood. Anybody else? Yeah, I think it's fine. I agree with Alan and you, Paul. I'm not sure the process for setting a date to, sorry, do you take a stab at it? We have down there some... I'll just say over... Jen, your... Jen, number one, I'm not checking it. Your audio is on, but if so, it was very tough. Thank you. So if you have a question or a comment, Jen, if you could use the chat. Your audio is being... Go off there, thank you. So, yeah, sorry, Paul. Your question was regarding scheduling. And so, Jen, if you could mute. I'm unable to. Thank you. So I would basically send out a sort of monkey or doodle poll with several options of dates and ask commissioners just to fill in as many as possible with their availability. Easy peasy. So I would say let's proceed with that. If you can get something out soon, so everybody can get it on their schedule. And I'd hope for as much, certainly as much participation from commissioners as possible. Any bigger decisions we need to make? I'm sorry, Paul, I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead. No, it's important. That's all. Yes, it is important. Thank you. And I was going to remind commissioners and for the newer commissioners that it would be a working session. It would be a publicly warranted meeting. So it would be something that would be, again, our materials would be on the website. It would be available to the public to attend. It would be a regular, basically a regular board meeting. A special board meeting has special meetings in the charter. So it's not a special meeting, but it is a kind of a working session of the board. It is an actual, it's a business meeting. So votes can be taken. Actions can be approved. Just want to make sure that everyone is aware that it is an actual real meeting, okay? Yeah, I just wanted to see if there are any commissioners that had reservations about holding a retreat or attending one in person as well. That could be another question too that we put on the survey. A kind of a comfort level for in person, I think, yeah, it's a very, very good question. And particularly as we get further into fall, it may be that we're still holding a virtual retreat. But I can certainly ask that question as well, as far as comfort level for in person versus virtual. We do have, I think several options in the district for being fairly spread out. So we possibly could hold an in person meeting, but that will also depend on the location and what their allowances are. But I'll ask that question as a good point. Great, I just want to be able to maximize participation. Yes, thank you. Any other comments or concerns about holding a retreat? No, I just have a quick question. Since I wasn't around in 2018, I assume that you would provide information or minutes for past history, just to give some perspective on what was discussed, what the philosophy was at that time, what the issues were. So I assume that, but I'm just wanting to put that out there because I'd have no idea what happened in that past. It's a good point. You're right to not assume and to bring it up. So what we would do and what we can do this week is send out that packet. So the information that went out for that retreat, we can send that along. A lot of it will be background and maybe not relevant, but to your point was it would be good to have that understanding of what was discussed at that meeting, particularly the minutes of that meeting, so that we can kind of set the table for maybe not recreating the wheel, not necessarily rehashing things that we don't need to rehash or just to be able to say, oh yeah, we did talk about that before. That is no longer an issue, but this one really is still an issue. So yes, we can send that out, both the packet information and then the minutes from that. Is there any other question or discussion about the executive director's update? I have to confess my ignorance since this was pulled out of the consent agenda, do we need a specific motion to accept your report or is it since it's just a report, it stands as part of the record? I think that's a great question and I will admit that I'm forgetting the process here. It wouldn't hurt to accept it as a formal motion. There's nothing, there's no action or decision that needs to be made, but to get it safe side, we can certainly ask for a motion to accept that report. Would anybody care to move the acceptance of the executive for director's update? I don't know, but I think we have it, Leslie. I saw Leslie and Logan, when we say Leslie moved and Logan seconded, I don't think there needs to be any further discussion on this, so all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed or abstentions? Thank you for the important, allowing me the formality of accepting that. Ready to move on to agenda item number four, which is page 82 of your board packet, which is a memo from me. The background here is as I was preparing to become board chair, I thought it might be helpful at the very beginning of each year to just kind of have a pro former review of standard board meeting procedures and processes and kind of standard operating procedure. And that was the genesis of this memo. It's not my intent to read through this entire document. I did want to call out a few things though, just to help facilitate meetings, have them run on an orderly fashion, give every board member the opportunity to speak, and then also to encourage board members to be how to communicate outside of board meetings. So that said, I'll just bring emphasis to item number two in the district meeting participation guidelines. Robert's rule specifies that all comments by board members should be directed to the chair, even as this meeting has gone on, that certainly has not been the case, and that usually is fine. But I would ask the board members to keep that in mind, and especially if they have a dissenting opinion, as is written here, critical comments in order to keep the meeting moving smoothly and focused on the issue, address those to me, and then I can refer them either to Sarah for response or when appropriate to a particular staff member. But primarily the discussion and debate should be between the commissioner directed through me to Sarah, and then we can bring in other staff members as appropriate. Secondarily to that, just encourage everybody, once we get it to an issue, please try to refrain from continuing your dialogue back and forth and rather give other board members the opportunity to ask their question before coming back to ask another question that you might have. I just wanna avoid lengthy debates back and forth when other board members may have critical questions and not have the opportunity to jump in. This is especially challenging since we have so many different venues here, we've got people on site, we've got on Zoom, everybody has different technology, it's challenging for me to see everybody on a screen, and we also have, for some of us at least, the raise hand option on your Zoom, but I don't think everybody does, so bear with me and bear with us on that. The second point is communications. It certainly is important for board members to feel free to communicate to Sarah and staff, or I'm sorry, to Sarah, but would ask that questions and communications to Sarah that might involve staff be directed to her and copy me. Sarah's our executive director, she's responsible for managing operations, staff and their time, and questions really are most appropriate funneled through her. If you're not comfortable doing that, certainly you can send it to me and then I can decide best way forward, but I really like everybody to keep that in mind. The second and to me, more important thing was much of my time as commissioner, I just was never comfortable about how to communicate with other commissioners. We do have the open meeting law, and what I think most comes into effect is when there might be a quorum and when there's an email string going on with many different board members, we can easily fall into the problem of conducting business with a quorum that hasn't been properly warned and haven't given the public the opportunity to participate. So it's highly important that when we get on an email string that when you have something to say, just reply to, I would imagine perhaps the sender, but certainly include Sarah in that. Don't hit reply to all, that's when we could fall into a trap and run afoul of the open meeting law. Those were really my comments on that. I don't know if anybody has any questions or other observations. All the one clarification on reply all, the main instance where it is okay to reply all is if we are planning a meeting. So that is okay, but generally we don't, that's not how we plan our meetings is by sending something out and then saying, hey, what do you think we do? As I described earlier, if we need to have a special date, I will send out a poll and then that will just come back to me where we have regular meetings we established that at the annual organizational meeting. But if there's some instance of scheduling, that's really the main and just about only area that it is okay to reply all. Otherwise, just don't. I will save everyone a lot of headache, just as Paul said, reply to the sender and copy either one of us or the original center, please. And I also point out for perhaps newer board members that a quorum is defined or determined by the number of votes that all of us as commissioners have. So I'm not sure how many votes Burlington has, but Underhill has one vote. So if we have an email discussion and Burlington is on there with another couple of high population towns, we are easily over the quorum threshold when it may only be a handful of people communicating. So it gets very tricky. That's right. And the open meetings, law and the quorum requirements are also for committees. So it is not just for conversations with the full board but it is also forums of the committees. So to be cognizant of that as well. And again, it's Paul's correct. Our votes are weighted by population. So again, Burlington has the largest number of votes that we've, Burlington has nine. Yeah. So if you've got Burlington and Essex, the two Essex's and it's up Burlington, then we are definitely in the open meetings, danger zone. So it is critically important that we be aware of that. So that concludes my points and my purpose in bringing this up. And if I continue as chair, my intent would be really at every June meeting to just have a kind of a pro forma review of this to remind everybody. I think we're then ready to move on to item number five on the agenda, finance committee member appointment. This is page 83 of, I believe, maybe it's not even in the packet, but we're in the page 83 range of the packet. John Gifford, board representative from Milton, resigned a month or two ago. He was a member of the finance committee. Finance committee is to be comprised of three board members. We're currently at two. So to bring that membership up to three. The word was put out, if anybody was interested in putting their name forward for appointment to the finance committee, which is something that I do as chair. I know of two people have expressed interest, that being Bryn and Kelton. Is there anybody else who would be interested in putting their name forward before I make a decision as to whom to appoint? It's an interesting part of board responsibilities and meetings you'll learn a lot on the finance committee. Hearing none, I'm going to then go ahead and appoint Bryn to the finance committee as our third member. I think she'll bring some good experience and good perspective and balance to the finance committee. And I know she's very, very busy and appreciate her willingness to offer more time in that service. And I also appreciate your willingness, Kelton, to put your name forward on the finance committee. Sorry, we can't appoint you at this time. There will be other opportunities to get deeper involved in board matters. Next item, five, finance committee, I'm sorry, item six, the ad hoc committee with the salaries and benefits review. And this is page 84 of the board packet. Sarah put together a memo explaining a bit of the background and the reasoning behind appointing this ad hoc committee. I've been doing a lot of talking. Sarah, can you just jump in for a minute? Sure, sure. So as the board may remember, we contacted with Gallagher Flynn to conduct a compensation study normally. We would do these every five or six years and it had been eight or almost nine years since we had done a comprehensive study of our compensation system. And we had included the study in the board packet. It was back in May, Amy, correct if I'm wrong, and the meeting ran quite long and we did not get to that. So we brought, it may even have been June actually, we brought the study to finance committee. And the finance committee really felt strongly that the study needed to be further vetted and that there were a lot of issues not just kind of contained within the study, but that there was more conversation to be had regarding the wages, salaries, compensation, benefits, et cetera. So the suggestion was made by the chair of finance committee, professionality to form an ad hoc committee to do a deeper dive into this issue. The suggestion was made that the committee be comprised of the finance committee members and then an additional couple of members on the board to broaden the conversation into this issue. So you have that brief description again in the memo, the charter does allow for the board to seat these committees and it would be a very short duration because if in my mind it would be the most beneficial to have these conversations ahead of our next budgeting cycle. And as we've been letting you know, our intent is to begin staff budgeting work much earlier than we normally do in the hopes of bringing the preliminary budget to the board by December one does what is included in our charter we are supposed to be bringing that preliminary budget so that we can then have a full month really of public comment period on the budget. And we can let our member towns know of any intent to assess any municipal per capita fees ahead of municipal budgeting process, which for most of our communities generally takes place in December and January. So we wanted to have this conversation, the compensation conversation ahead of that process. So it'll be a very focused set of meetings, no more than most likely three or four stretching it. I'd really like to make it nice and focused and to have some decisions such guidance. This committee would not make decisions, it would be again reviewing an advisory and then if there are decisions to be made to bring that full board for your approval in November I think to that meeting, particularly at the schedule about that. And just to kind of reemphasize what some of the points that Sarah had made, the intent is to appoint an ad hoc committee would be comprised of the three members of the finance committee. And Sarah is recommending a total committee size of between five and seven. So I would hope that there would actually be at least two commissioners willing to step forward and participate in this process and having a broad representation. To me compensation is a very important issue. It's obviously important for each individual staff member. There are ramifications for the longterm because it is part of the budget and drives so much of the budget. So it's really important to get as broad representation across the board as possible. I'd also point out and emphasize the charter does say, and I'll read this specifically section 11, the board of commissioners shall have the authority to establish any and all committees as it may deem necessary. And for that reason I've asked that there'd be a motion that we can vote on tonight to establish this ad hoc committee and further to authorize me to appoint the members of this ad hoc committee. I'm not sure if we have that motion first or just open it up for some general discussion and then proceed to a motion to authorize this committee. I see, Ron, you have your hand raised. Yeah, I'd just like to observe that group theory establishes seven as an ideal number. So for whatever that's worth. That would be great. That would require four additional commissioners. We'll see what we can get. I don't think I'm going to ask for volunteers right now. If I get the authority to appoint them, we can do that after this meeting. Well, Allen's hand is up. I'm sorry, Allen, yeah. I would be glad to volunteer for the committee if all. Thank you, Allen. South Burlington here, I'd also be interested in volunteering for that committee. Okay. Again, I... I'm sorry, Liz, Liz from Colchester. I can be on the committee if you'd like. We're up to six now. Williston, Calvin Bogaskin, Williston, interested in volunteering as well. Well, we have seven names to formulate this committee. So again, I would like there to be a motion. Sarah, do you have language for a motion that could be read out? Let me, let's take a stab here. So be it resolved that the board of commissioners authorizes the establishment of an ad hoc committee for the specific purpose of reviewing the compensation study used by Gallagher Flynn and making recommendations to the full board regarding the contents and authorizes the board chair to appoint no more than seven board members to the committee. Leslie, do you? Yeah, I think we want something that the intent at the finance committee was something a bit broader. We did not want to be confined to the Gallagher and Flynn study or recommendations. We looked at this as more comprehensive review of the district's compensation policy. So I think the charge to the extent that the motion authorizing the appointment of the ad hoc committee is a charge to the committee. It should be broadened. And I'm sorry, but I have to take this call. So we had a friendly suggestion here to broaden the scope or modify the wording of the motion, Sarah. So the result of the CSWD board of commissioners authorizes the establishment of an ad hoc committee for the specific purpose of, and then Leslie's suggested language of to review the compensation compensation. Policy and structure, the district's compensation policy and structure and bring a report to the full board for consideration. And we're in fourth, a report to the full board for consideration. And it overrides the board chair to appoint no more than seven members to the committee. So those seven members are 22 votes. So it is of course the full board. So what that would mean is that that committee would be able to conduct business and make decisions. So I think by saying and bring forth a report, we are including in the charge that it is not the intent of this committee to make a decision to make any formal recommendations any changes to not change policy, but the intent is to bring forth just a review or report, perhaps recommendations. So we got the record clear on that. That this is an advisory evaluation and advice, not action and that no votes will be taken that would bind the board to any course of action. So as you would, you would express that Sarah in your memo, but that was the intent. Well, I think we just want to confirm that that is still the will of the board at this point. Question, isn't it the, if I understood correctly again, this is a bit of a technical issue, I guess, but isn't it the case that ad hoc committees, ipso facto do not have the right to bind the board in any decision that ad hoc committees can only, I mean, they can bring a topic or a suggestion to the board, but they cannot in any way act on behalf of the board. Do I understand that correctly? Is the nature of an ad hoc committee? I mean, the nature of the ad hoc is that it's temporary, not necessarily that it can't act for school. Okay, there's just a technical for clarity. Okay. Very good question. And Amy is correct to bring to the attention that we do have a quorum with these particular. That's helpful, yeah. But we just wanted to make sure that we're confirming the intent is to not take any action within this committee rather to bring anything back to the full board with consideration. In the form of a report. Would anyone care to move that and second it so that we could further open it up for discussion and clarification? Second, Richmond. It's been moved and seconded that the board establish an ad hoc committee. And I'm not, I don't have all the wording that Sarah just read, but establish the ad hoc committee for the purpose of studying and making recommendations on our compensation policies and programs and solely to make a report discussion hearing none. I think then we're ready for the question. All those in favor of authorizer of approving the motion to establish an ad hoc committee. Please say I or raise your hand. Hi. Hi. Hi. No. No. Good evening. Representatives. Abstentions. We have established the ad hoc committee and given me the authority to appoint. Those members and I might as well go ahead then and do that right. Now, I hear by appoint the three members of the finance committee. That being Leslie, Tim, and Brent Oakley. And in addition, Stabler, Kelton Bogatsky and Liz. I'm sorry, last name popping out of my head right now, Liz. It's Hamlin Vols. Thank you very much.  Thank you. Thank you everyone. We're moving on then to item number seven, the Environmental Depot Project, which is on page 86 of your board packets. And Sarah, again, I'll turn that over to you. Thank you. And I'm actually going to turn it right over to Josh Tyler. Josh will talk you through this project. It's an interesting project. We have been wanting to make some improvements to the Depot for a long time. It always seems to get pushed into the out years of the Capital Plan. So this is in part to be able to really bring the paint program back. Several years ago, we needed to get some more efficiency in the paint program. So we looked towards renting some warehouse space rather than expanding at the Depot. That gave us some time and really time and space to be able to take a look at the functionality of the Depot, to see how we could better be more efficiencies in the processing there and then to actually to the goal always being to bring paint back to the building. So Josh, if you could kind of walk through and what this project will accomplish in any of your particulars. Yeah, this project will be on if you're looking at the Depot on the left side of the Depot. So the right side is where we aggregate all household hazardous waste that comes in, including paint. The left side, which is almost the equivalent of half of the building, is remnants of the old biosolid structure that we used to have. So the grade of the building actually drops from the surface down about seven feet in a certain section and down about 10 feet in another section. And that was to accommodate some of the equipment for the old biosolid facility. We've been working on what to do with that for as long as I've been here. And we kind of finally came to the conclusion, let's just fill that entire void space and bring the entire floor of the left side of the building up to the existing surface grade. That's beneficial because we have two roll-up doors, so we can bring forklifts in and out of the building. It'll increase efficiencies because we don't have to load paint up into the rover and drive it over to the paint, is what we're calling the paint depot or limerock. So that'll be really nice. Also, with what Sarah said, having limerock the rental space, it actually was the first time we had a flat space to figure out the paint program. So we worked through a lot of the processes there, so we're planning on bringing it back now. So the idea would be to bring up the actual existing working floor to grade and then pour in a concrete slab on that grade. So that's the basics without getting into too much details. Earlier this year, Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, the Department of Environmental Conservation, released the Materials Management Infrastructure Grant, and it focused on household hazardous waste. The grants were awarded up to $100,000. We applied with this project in mind because it was a shovel-ready project for the most part, and we were awarded that. So the project, we're estimating to be about $218,000. Now that does include about a 14% contingency with us being reimbursed that $100,000 grant award. We have one contractor in place currently, and we'd love to get this done before the end of the calendar year so that we can move out of the existing paint program and into the depot space. Currently, we pay a little more than $30,000 a year to rent the paint space that we're in now. So net costs to the district will be about $118,000 if the entire project cost is seen, which we don't anticipate, but we don't want to have to come back to you guys again. Any questions? Josh, I'll just clarify. You had said that the offset would be the reduction in lease expense of about $30,000 a year. So very simplistically, if the district expense is $118,000, that's roughly three years of savings on our lease that would pay for this project. I know it's a very simplistic formula, but is that what you're saying? That's exactly what I'm saying. Does anybody else have questions on this? Were we ready to have a motion? It seems to me we're ready to then act on this motion. We do have a resolution. I can read that into the record if you'd like to call. Thank you, Sarah. Be resolved that the Board of Commissioners authorizes the Executive Director to enter into a contractual agreement with Stuart Construction to complete work associated with the CSWD Environmental Depot project for an amount not to exceed $218,000. Anyone here? Amy, did you capture who moved it? I did. It was Paul from South Burlington and Kelton from Williston. Thank you. Sorry, Katie, you missed. Is there any further discussion on this motion? And I think we're ready for the question. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Any opposed? Say no. Abstentions. The resolution is approved. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is Item 8, Executive Session for Purpose of Discussing Contract Negotiations. Amy, do you have some language to read out for us? I do. I move that the Board of Commissioners of the Chittenden Solid Waste District go into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing contract negotiations with respect to the Organics Diversion Facility, where premature general public knowledge would clearly place the district its member municipalities and other public bodies or persons involved at a substantial disadvantage and to permit approved staff in the Solid Waste District attorneys to be present for this session. Move. Second. Richmond. Just a quick comment here. I'll be recusing myself in this conversation. Kelton Willson and Kalen will be from Willson will be present for the conversation where she should have logged on. So thank you. Thank you for pointing that out, Kelton. All those in favor of the motion to enter into Executive Session, please say I. I. Opposed? Sentience. We'll now move into Executive Session of the link that Sarah had sent previously. Recording stopped. Executive Session. Allen Seconded. Bryn moved. Allen Seconded. All those in favor of leaving Executive Session, please say I. Opposed? Abstained. We have left Executive Session. And for the notes, Paul Lee Seconded. Oh, he did. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. The last item on the agenda is other business. I have put on the DOC retreat. We've already covered that. So unless there is other business to attend to tonight, I would say we are adjourned. So moved. Thank you, Leslie. Do we have a second? Second. Okay, to get it in. You got this. All those in favor of adjourning, please say I. We are right on time, 7.30. Good night, everybody.


Alright, so not everybody gets into PA school on their first try and that is okay. That is pretty on par with what happens across the board. But in that time that you're waiting to get into PA school or waiting to apply to PA school, what should you be doing? That's what we're going to be getting into in this video.   So I know that not everybody gets into PA school on the first try and I had a question that was asked essentially like should I take a gap year or you know just take a year in general between my applications. And so the question was posed by Sunanya Kanchan. I hope I said that right. I'm not always the best with pronouncing these names but I hope I said it right or pretty close to it but she asked hey Adana, thank you so much for all of this information. I'm not sure if you've talked about it before but can you share some insight on reapplying to PA schools? Should I wait a year in between? What should I look to improve on? Should I do a program between cycles? I'm still waiting on some schools this year but I also don't want to waste time this entire year just waiting if there's something I can do that will improve my chances. Thank you. Okay and this is actually like a good question and it's really something that everybody should be thinking about once they apply. Whether you think that you're going to get in the first try or not you need to be thinking okay what can I always do to better myself. So a lot of us like to waste time and we're like okay I've applied to five schools or I've applied to ten schools or how many of our schools you're applying to even if it's three or one and in that time I'm going to just wait to see if I get you know supplemental applications or an interview or an acceptance because that's the track on which most schools offer you an acceptance. You'll get an offer for a supplemental application first then you will get an offer for an interview and then they will call you and let you know that you've been accepted but that takes time and so in that time I think that there are definitely definitely at minimum three things that you should be doing. Obviously there are lots more things that you know people can add in here but for me I think that these three are really the most important things that you should be doing. Let me first answer your question in terms of should I wait a year in between. I mean honestly that's up to you okay and I say this because you are the only one that knows like your particular situation your family life you know your single life whatever the case may be can you afford to wait a year you know can you not afford to wait a year. If you can then absolutely do it wait a year and in that year do the next three things that I'm about to tell you to do you know or some type of like a conglomeration of it you can put in your things or subtract things here and there because again I'm just a girl on YouTube that you guys have subscribed to that you know is telling you just from my experience and the experiences of others that I've seen come before me and come after me this is what was done and this is what worked for us but this may not always work for you so you have to do what is best for you so if taking a year is best for you then absolutely do that okay you said what should I look to improve on and that's where these three things come in so number one I feel like you should absolutely call the schools that you've applied to that you're waiting on hearing back from you know and obviously do this within not like it's not a matter of like oh I applied yesterday so I'm going to call them today no so if you've been waiting for a little while and time has passed call the schools and be like you know what I'm really really interested in your program I know that you guys are still uh sending out invitations for interviews but um I just want to know when if I do not get accepted if you know they're still doing in this process what can I do to improve my application if their application like their particular cohort is closed essentially although the application cycle may still be going because CASPA runs from April to April each year okay and so just because CASPA is open doesn't mean that schools are still accepting applications so that is something that you need to keep in mind and therefore that means that there may be schools that have filled their entire cohort by like January or February or December um it's really a matter of the program and when they open up their deadline or close their deadline I would say when's their deadline to apply so that's really important for you all to know and those are things that you can always find out on the CASPA like participating uh school's little site it will show you all the programs and their deadlines but in that time you need to call the schools and say hey what can I improve on not every school is going to give you an answer but for the most part people are really willing to help and they will give you an answer on some of the things they will that you can do I know that one school that did that for me um when I applied like the first time around was Kettering Kettering College like I called and I asked you know hey what can I improve on and she like the admissions counselor sat down on the phone with me for like an hour and looked at my entire application looked at my GPA looked at you know the courses that I had taken um and explained their application cycle to me and their application process explained that they actually have a prerequisite uh GPA that they calculate themselves that they take into account and looking at the different areas that I can now improve be it in GPA or classes that I've taken additional classes or hours that I need to make myself a better candidate and I really appreciated that because that helped me get into PA school because I literally went through and I revamped um all of those various different points that she touched on so that is something that you should absolutely consider doing um number two I think the next thing that you should be doing is exactly what they've told you to do or looking at this yourself and going through and pinpointing the areas that you can improve on if there are prerequisite courses that you have a C in then you should absolutely consider retaking those courses it's important because most schools don't want C's in their prerequisite courses some schools don't even want B minuses so if you have a C there then that is like a red flag to them that oh okay you know maybe this person doesn't work hard enough or they just don't really care or you know maybe this PA program that is going to be extremely rigorous is not for them and so you want to ensure that any little area that the schools can sit up here and try to like pinpoint and give you a red flag on you don't want to have that so look at your courses your prerequisite courses to ensure that you don't have any outstanding red flags and that schools can pick up on and then from that that will improve your GPA and it will improve your overall look of your application you can also look at the areas of patient care hours and shadowing hours now not every school requires shadowing but there are schools that look highly on shadowing and that's why there are like virtual shadowing like get that C university does or that some of these other you know just private virtual shadowing companies do because we're in COVID times and that is kind of the trajectory that our country is going doing things virtual so it's important for you all to like really and truly look into that see what you can do to improve that now the third thing that I absolutely think that you should be doing is revamping your personal statement okay I think a lot of times when we don't get into PA school if we have like really good stats and really good like hours and all that stuff you know your GPA is on point you got a bunch of like over 3000 hours but you still don't get like an offer for an interview it's typically because your personal statement isn't and so I think that is very very very important for you all to do while you're waiting throughout your your year gap I guess you can say from application cycle to application you really need to go ahead and revamp that personal statement look at it look at areas that you may be able to improve that personal statement be it you know writing a new story rewriting the entire personal statement I did that there were aspects of my old personal statement that I took and if you guys haven't seen that personal statement video that I made years ago you should really look at it because I still think that it's very much relevant but there are areas that you can absolutely look at in these in these personal statements that you write that you can improve on from my personal statement I guess editing experience that I've had over these last few years of doing this what I've noticed is that a lot of times people just write their same stats that they have in their application in their personal statement so you talk about why you want to be a PA but not necessarily like a PA specifically you just say like you want to be a PA because you've always wanted to be in medicine but if that's the case you can be in anything that you know that has to do with medicine you can be a pharmacist you can be a physical therapist so I think that a lot of times we don't pinpoint exactly why we want to be a PA and then we use these stats that we have in our application and then put it into the personal statement and the people that are reading your personal statement can get those stats from your application so it's important for you to show something different this is your personal statement it should be personal to you and therefore it should give them a different side of you that they're not able to see on paper in terms of your application because that's what's going to want them to get more or want them to see more in the interview process so those are the three things that I absolutely think that you should absolutely be doing I said absolutely absolutely a lot I don't know what's going on with me but I absolutely think that you should be doing this okay that's I'm trying to stress this home okay so you should be calling the schools to see what you can improve on you should be then putting that into action and improving on all of your various different uh tangible things so your GPA retaking classes and working on your health care experience hours and shadowing hours and then the third thing you should be doing is taking a second look at your personal statement and revamping that in such a way that you exude who you are and the character and the person that you are so that the schools will want more and will want to invite you for an interview okay all right so I hope that this helped um I hope that it helps and um you know thank you for asking that question if you guys have not left me comments go ahead and do that I answer these comments you guys I take them for videos so please leave a comment in the comment section below go ahead and subscribe if you haven't already done so and like this video because all of that really helps my youtube algorithm out a lot it allows my video to be seen by others who haven't seen it so thank you guys for doing that and thank you again for following me on instagram edit on the pa and on instagram at get that's the university thank you guys so much for watching I will talk to you guys next time