Thank you for having me. It's good to be here. I was at the woman's conference yesterday and I Got home after I was not home. I was I went to the hotel afterwards and Just as I walked into the lobby. It just hit me Usually just walking into airports or hotels just it gets me that wow, this has become This has become my life, you know, and my husband's not here. He's in prison and You know suffering and being tortured for his Christian faith and then Iranian prison and my kids are You know, it's been a hard and lonely road in some ways They haven't been able to see him as much have been traveling all over the world and You know trying to do what I can to you know, bring site home and and actually, you know letting the Lord lead me where he has Me to go to share the gospel, but I was kind of starting to feel sorry for myself And it gets it gets to me when I you know go to my hotel and it's just It's been two years of In a way a lonely journey and and I just reached out to God and I was just start praying and worshiping and Realized we are so blessed to have Jesus like you're really never alone a lot of us might feel Lonely even we might be in our families, but might feel lonely But you can always reach out to Jesus and he's always there and just such an intimacy and such beauty And it's just so overwhelming. You I you can't I can't wait to see how heaven is like when just getting a taste of Jesus now and That's the reality and just Amazing intimacy, and that's what we've been made for you know, no no matter How much money we have and what we think makes us happy we can't we can't be fulfilled until we're in that relationship with God It's what we were made for that. That's where we get our Fulfillment that's where we get our Peace no matter what we're going through. I wish I was here saying this is what had happened, and this is how God has delivered site I'm still in the midst of my trial. I you know sites and in an Iranian prison Because of his Christian faith. He's been tortured. He's been told he'd be free if he renounces Christ They gave him eight years. He's two years into the eight-year sentence, but Because he's been sharing Christ in prison They've said they would add on years and recently, you know Said's mom was told from you know, the Supreme Leader's office that Said should have been killed and that he could he would never see the light of day and because he hasn't Unless he you know unless he becomes Muslim and reads the Quran and gives a test or something And so I don't know when this whole you know where When this will be over and how but but I can Say I have hope and trust in God that he's in control and no matter what the outcome I Know I'll be okay. I know I just I don't you know I've always struggled with fear all my life I've always struggled with fear and anxiety of the future. What what's the next bad news and nothing ever bad really happened but I was always afraid and And and all of a sudden when Said was taken and I'll give you a little detail about our story But when he was taken it was unexpected He was in Iran working on an orphanage that the government had actually encouraged us to work on He was working with the Iranian government. So when he was taken I felt my whole world turned upside down I became a single mom. I didn't know what my future would Look like as a single mom how we were gonna make it And I didn't I didn't even know if my husband was alive the first week You know, I was in Boise. I got a call from Iran His mom, you know, so Said left so in June of 2012 I dropped Said off at the airport Boise Airport He did has normal nightly routine with the kids the night before and which is you know running, you know running around the house Doing prayer walking and worship and and praying with the kids and getting them all riled up before bed and which always upset me and And so and you know doing you reading the Bible and praying with them and all of that and then so he did that and He would a lot of times he would open up his suitcase and he would say, you know, he would tell the kids Bring your toys and your clothes that you want me to give to the orphans and so they would come and They bring their like raggedy old dolls or clothes He'd say nope give me your favorite your favorite outfit your favorite toy and I was like, no Because as I don't know maybe I'm the only mom you get attached to your kids stuff Sometimes you're like that costs this much money and we you know, we were always struggling financially And so I was just like, no, you know, don't do this to our kids. You're so mean and And and but he would lovingly sit down and explain like God wants us to give our best Not just he doesn't want to her leftovers. He wants us to trust them and give our best and and so he would do that You know, and he would always say, you know, I'll come home and I'll bring you he would bring him like outfits from the local village or something and And so he you know, we did the normal Routine and he said I'll come back and I'll bring you gifts and all that and then Five I think he is fly it was leaving at seven So I remember getting up really early was five or something and he kissed our kids. Good. Goodbye Never realizing that that would be the last time he be able to to hold our kids And then I dropped him off at the airport and not realizing that that was going to be the last time I would see my husband I don't know. I think about that time. What would I do differently? Maybe I would not let him go That's why the Lord didn't show me. I don't know. I would have stopped I would have done everything to keep him. So I you know, I said I could goodbye No, you know, I think about it wasn't even an emotional one I was just like dropping him off at the curb Like I'll pick you up in a few weeks and he was supposed to go finish up some work at the orphanage and just come home and he calls me in July and we're talking to him while he's in Iran and he calls me in July and he says they're not letting me leave the country They you know, they took my passport. They're not letting me leave the country. So we're Confused why is this happening?  They give him some number from intelligence police that works there He's talking to the intelligence police and they're telling him well We have some questions for you and we're gonna ask you some questions and then let you go And so we're waiting for some call from the office intelligence office or something to ask some questions and I'm here in Boise In the US I get a call midnight From Sayid's mom. He was staying with his parents in Iran and she's crying frantically. She says they took my son They took my son. I don't know where they've taken him so These five revolutionary guards which are considered terrorist group by a lot of nations came and just took him in the most horrific way and And his his mom was hysterical and I'm sure as any mom just seeing your baby being taken away in such a horrific way and not knowing where what just what just happened and and I remember just Hit me like this can't be my life. This can't be happening and And so I I was just walking around the house crying and looking at my kids and thinking what am I gonna tell them and And I remember my mom just crying kneeling down and crying and saying How can I help you and she's she's you know moms are a great friend. They're they're rocks and I remembered Thinking this is one one thing that she can't help me in such a place of anxiety and despair that This is she can't help me and I remember like trying to call Sayid so many times We all you know, he was when I went to Iran in 2001. I met Sayid in 2002 and He was just my best friend He was I never dated before and I just processed everything with him So I kept calling his number. I think it took me like a week to be like stop calling him He's not gonna answer and I realized wow This is how it is when you lose a loved one you want to hear their voice one more time Just that comfort you get from hearing their voice and you realize I can't I can't hear it And and so I couldn't get comfort or anyone could help me And I realized no human being in the world can help me Except God who made me and so I reached out to God in desperation. I remember Just crying out saying God I feel myself going to the stark hole. I need help No one can help me. I need help like the woman bleeding for 12 years reaching out and saying, you know Just believing and just I feel I felt the Lord just give me this piece What has washed over me? Washed over me that just was supernatural beyond my understanding and the Lord's just I could You know for the first time I want to share from John 15 for the first time I felt like I was in the vine for almost 30 years of my Christian walk, but I wasn't abiding For the first time I felt like I was abiding and I was just taking in his goodness and just Taking in my whole world had fallen apart, but I was okay, and I knew For the first time in my life that I could lose everything and everyone and I knew I would be okay I always feared that I always thought if I lose this person if this happens I will lose it I will become a basket case and this is the first time I just had discovered Jesus in such an intimate way That I just knew if I lost sight if I lost my kids And you don't I before I was even afraid to say it. What if I say it and I lose them, you know Just if I lost everything and everyone And it was in a corner. I didn't have anything, but I have Jesus. I'll be okay. I'll be more than okay I'll all have peace and I'll have joy and I don't know that was so freeing for me to discover Jesus in such an intimate way and to know that I Can go through the storms of life and just be okay and be more than conquer in Christ just be Have so much peace and joy and as Christians we don't take this for granted, but Religion you go through trial through religion and you fall apart because it doesn't give you If there's no relationship, but as Christians We go through the worst trials and if we cling on to God if we abide in him We actually are refreshed more and more the more the trial the more the pain The more the drama the more the more you connect like a leech You know you just connect and the more you receive what it what is you know We talk about the fruit of the spirits love peace joy Kindness gentle and you get all of that you just you cling to him and you're more refreshed your you have more Joy and peace than I guess in the times where I was I didn't have trials But I was in despair and I was anxious and I was sad and you know And I discovered that I knew I knew that no matter the trial. I would just I knew now how to how to Dig deeper into God I knew I found my source and I knew I it would just be Better in terms of my intimacy and I was I'm tasting tasting More of heaven I guess looking forward to heaven because if this is the intimacy with Christ I Experience I experience daily because of this painful journey Then if that's what heaven is then I'm all I'm excited for the first time, you know, I've been excited to really experience heaven and So for the 30 years almost 30 years of my Christian walk, I was in Christ, but I hadn't abide it and so I and so when When this happened and I was you know China calls I eat he's not answering of course. I'm seeing my kids recently my kids did a video I don't know if some of you might have watched it to President Obama and at my son's just talking about his heart crying and my daughter just is crying and saying I keep praying and praying and daddy's not home and And it's painful as a mom sometimes it's easier to have your own suffering Then when you see a loved one suffer and there's nothing you can do Maybe a broken marriage or your your grandkids or your nieces and nephews or your kids your own kids when you see someone You love suffering. You just it's harder Sometime and so it's been for me. It's been harder seeing my kids Really miss their dad and and they've they flipped through their album and the first few weeks The first week I wouldn't tell them I was afraid the shock of prison They would be shocked.   It's not that he doesn't want to hear your voice and It was really painful explaining that to them and you know, my daughter was daddy's girl his daddy's girl and Recently she celebrated her eighth birthday and the third birthday without him last time she was with her dad was she was five and And you know site had has written a letter from prison to her It's amazing that tells her, you know, I want to hear you sing hallelujah and I'm here because of because you know The answer to the why I'm not freed as the as the answer to it is who because Jesus Christ he's worth the price and You know, I want to hear you sing hallelujah in the midst of your storm And I hope to join you in person, but even in prison a part or together You know, I want to sing for us to sing hallelujah together and he's just such a great You know such a and Rebecca is just there's taking in everything they receive from him But they flip through their album so many times. It's falling apart. They tell me, you know Tell us stories about daddy and Rebecca just for the first few weeks. She's just balling. She's like mommy. I'm forgetting daddy's voice I don't know how his voice sounds like anymore. And so we play videos of him and they'd see pictures of them They wouldn't couldn't remember and it was painful for me to watch. So I'm just holding back tears and just You know letting I realized that they're getting ministered to when they're watching their dad on video and and I remember sites parents when they first visited him in prison, they told me, you know he was put in solitary when he was taken he was put in solitary confinement and For the first week we didn't know where he was or if he was even alive because someone Around the time site was arrested someone else was arrested like that a blogger and was rated his parents house was rated to he was Taken and he lasted four days before he was tortured to death in Evan prison the same prison site wasn't but we didn't even know if Side was in Evan prison, but we didn't know if he was alive the way he was taken We didn't know where they'd taken him and After a week I called his parents house where I knew it was being His their phones were being you know monitored by the government. I said if I don't know where site is I will go to media I I need to know where my husband is and as soon as I called his parents and they were hearing a couple hours later Said called his parents and said I'm in Evan prison. I'm in solitary. I'm okay What's months later after they visited him that they realize I mean you hear solitary and then you hear this the first time His parents saw him his mom it was behind a glass window and where you talk on the phone and And she as she was approaching the glass window to see him she just fell she couldn't recognize them because of all the beatings and She just she couldn't even go she couldn't she just was crying and just and realized that what he'd gone through I mean Months of isolation and you're in you're in this room by yourself you can't even stretch out completely and You know, you're not you're not really taken into consideration you're not really taken to the restroom Maybe once a day. So you're pretty much sleeping in the same place. You're it's it's horrible It's it's a horrible situation and no no one to talk to just that Intense being in solitary as torture itself and then being taken out of solitary and interrogated and beaten and told you know If you return to Islam your you you get to go home and be with your kids right now But if you know and and but for say to say no, I believe in Jesus He's you know, he's my Lord and Savior and not only that, you know realize We realized as the weeks went by in the month went by He was leading people to Christ, you know, I got a letter from one of the prisoners who said I'm not in prison anymore I feel free. I've been I feel like I've been set free and because of your husband and his wife Actually got a hold of me and we prayed together and she gave her life to Christ She said my husband's changed when I visit him. He has so much peace and joy so because of Said's testimony not only did he not deny Christ. He was sharing Christ and He because of him sharing Christ, they moved him to an exile prison So they exiled him and I didn't even know you could do that, but they exiled him to prison that was about an hour and a half away from Tehran and They put him in the murder ward and they they head of the that prison the exiled prison told Said's that he said There's no way he can lead people to Christ here because if even if these murder these people that are on death row for murder and rape if they realize Said is a Christian.  They will kill him and And so by God's grace, you know Some of these prisoners were having dreams and we're coming and asking Said who's this Jesus We want to know about this Jesus. We hear you can tell us about him So the murder ward didn't really work very well as a For him so and that was a whore. I mean he was losing weight.  They don't really try to treat it So he's still a lot of pain actually a few weeks ago when his mom visited him in prison He couldn't even sit through the 20 minute visitation. He had to leave half 10 minutes into it because of pain and so So they moved him from that horrible murder ward to Political ward and he was leading people to Christ there, but his physical health was not very well So they they moved him to a hospital Well in a hospital you have a lot of people coming in with accident I mean he had like five guards around him and people watching him But it was a private hospital people are coming for accidents and and all of that and so People are getting saved because their site is praying for them saying, you know, I'm a Christian Can I pray in Jesus name for you and this girl was about to lose her dad was a Very high-up judge and her mom was a very well-known lawyer And these are people that persecute Christians Her third their daughter was losing her leg in a very bad that automa automobile accident and Said had gone, you know, his parents were sharing with me They they got to be at the hospital with them and they site had said can I pray in Jesus name and they weren't such a desperate point They're a strong Muslim say yes Eventually it just the doctors kept kept to amputate her like it and they could they were like there's life There's life, you know, finally there was like one little toe. They had to cut off and and the parents were I mean site It was in their room worshiping praying and other other Patients were coming and saying can this pastor pray for us? I mean nurses were giving their hearts to Christ and doctors and And so and and I mean the head of the guard prison guards would come and see how site was doing He's seeing like these guards who are supposed to be watching site reading Bibles because I mean They're taking turns on their watch for say they're taking turns reading Bible And it's just they finally had enough and they beat him and took him back to the prison May of this year He hadn't fully recovered and with the beating he was even doing worse But you know, they've kept they've moved him around so many times, but site has not only Not denied Christ. He's been a lush You know a light for Christ in those horrible prisons for people who have no who had no other way He would pray for the Lord to send him to places that no one could go and having no idea that it would be a dark dark prison in Iran and and so he's been a testimony and so you know, I've heard a lot of bad news over the last two years, but you know Hasn't been able to crumble me. I mean I've had moments of just Why is he doing so bad? I remember his mom saying he's already sick. Why does he have to have lies all over him? And those are just you know, that's just an additional Thing to worry about and when she saw him she's just he was covered with lies and not doing very well and There's been moments where I'm just like well or when they moved him to the exile prison. I was just shocked I remember You know as the prisoners were telling stories later to their family As they were taking site to the exile prison There was prisoners that would kneel down and saying I want to accept Jesus now And there was other prisoners who had accepted Christ and they were crying and telling site I'm we're gonna carry your torch. We're gonna share Christ now and there were baby Christians and and so just so many amazing testimonies and And so I've heard a lot of news where I'm like why Lord it was like Evan prison's bad enough Why did he have to be moved to that prison? Why does he have to have to be suffering and? but you know The Lord has no matter the bad news. I've crumbled. I've had moments of despair, but he's His grace has been sufficient for me and every day. He's given me the strength to get up most days I think I'm not gonna be able to get up Okay, I'm as I don't know how to explain it, but I feel I The the battle is every day. It's not like two years ago. I always had peace and now It's an everyday struggle where I get up.  Okay It has and you can't and and and even if you know my in my flesh. I like In my nature, I like being in a room closed room and not When I'm suffering I guess not really Do much but to be able to not only be okay, but to stand up have the strength to Talk and travel, you know before site was taken. I feared so many things I was afraid of airplanes deathly afraid of airplanes site would beg me to travel with them I'd be like no, I don't want to get on an airplane. I was afraid of leaving my kids I don't know if some maybe I was the only like clingy mom, but I was like no I can't the thought of leaving my kids for like a few days gave me anxiety and so and Just afraid of speaking in front of people Never you can't find any videos or anything of me speaking in front of anyone before 2012 and Deathly afraid of speaking in front of people very private person. I remember sites sharing stuff on that He would take a picture and share it on Facebook. We're eating dinner here where we're doing this I'm like, no, why do people need to know what we're doing? So very private person. I just thought you know people don't need to know what my life is and and very home I'm me and my son Jacob our homebody. It's just I recently took him to Washington DC and Rebecca was like Oh, that was fun. Let's go another trip. Jacob's like mom I just want to stay in Boise and so we're both that we could just stay in Boise for the rest of our life we'll be okay and not a big traveler not really excited to see the world and People are like you we've gone to France and Geneva and this and that I've gone before the European Parliament that Dutch from all this places Europe and For me, it's just it's it's you know, it's not like exciting. I guess it's just It looks everywhere. It looks the same for me. I'm not really a traveler You know, I'm not excited to see new exotic places. Let's just say that So for me to have the at the worst time of my life to be doing things I would normally never do and my strongest time is a miracle and I felt for the first time when Said was taken I Felt the look for the first time I Abided in the vine and John 15 really came to life for me and I that's what I want to share with you And I realized it's talking about being in the vine. It's talking to Christians You know says I am the vine my father is a vine dresser every branch in me and it continues to say so it's talking about branches in him It's talking about believers, but I realized there's a difference between being in the vine and abiding and for the first time I feel like after almost 30 years of being a Christian. I was finally able to abide and part of part of the abiding, you know, some of this might be a you know, very Hard concept. What does that mean? What does what does it mean to live? You know victorious Christian life and abide and have got bear fruit What does all of that mean? I felt the Lord and this is what I want to share I feel like you know a clam who just has this thing this Dirt that it's trying to get rid of that pain or whatever it is That's bothering it becomes into a pearl and I feel like this is the pearl of My suffering the last couple years that I want to share with the body of Christ and so The first part of that abiding that the Lord showed me was when all of this happened and I was in deep despair and I Had no control over anything of my finances my future my kids my husband Everything was out of control. I felt the Lord showing me that a lot of my anxiety came because I wanted control I wanted to control my husband. I wanted to control my kids I wanted to fix this and and and and And the Lord showed me that I had a flesh that I had been my Myself that I had Trusted for so long as a Christian for the first time in my 30 years of knowing Christ. I Realized I felt the Lord saying you've you've gone with your you're you are in a fallen nature You know for so many years every emotion that came Came you know I had this person should be treating me like this and my husband needs to be that way And my kids need to be this way and this all of that I trusted and the Lord just opened up my eyes your heart The Bible says it's not me saying it.  May do what it takes to make yourself happy and go with your instinct The Bible says it's evil and it will lead you. It's a big path.  It will bring destruction to your church to your community and it's destructive and There's a path That's narrow. There's life in it and that path requires the cross You know how the same the Lord just one one day I was praying the Lord showed me this cross where the body of Christ going or the people going to the cross and getting saved And you know for Muslims, it's weird that we wear the cross. It's a sign of death How could how could you wear something that's so horrible, but for us is the wisdom of God if for us It's a power of God for us. It's life But we forget that that same cross that we go to to get saved does the same cross we're supposed to carry We're supposed to carry our cross. So we leave our the cross behind and We are not living victorious Christian lives We're having the same divorce rate as the rest of the world We're having the same problems that the rest of the world because we've become Christians But we are not living where we're letting our flesh get in the way like the rest of the world and The only difference the only way we can be different is when we can get rid of ourselves And we have the power to do that. No religion does Jesus Christ gives you the power to forgive your enemy Other religions say destroy your enemy, but Jesus Christ tells us and and Gives us the power to forgive our enemy and I'm saying your enemy might be your spouse right now Can you forgive can you love? Unconditionally can you lay down your life when that person is not being loving it could be your coworker It could be your boss. It could be someone you're working with can you Lay down your life when it's painful a lot of times, you know And I've had a lot of my own issues the last two years and Attacks and people doing things and saying things that I'm not free from the fallen world either and fallen people And so there's a lot of times I want to say things and I feel like if I don't say this person needs to know And this person needs to behave better and you know, and I feel like if I don't say it I will have a heart attack And I realize there's a part where Paul says I die Daily so you may live and I realize I need We have a choice either we can die to ourselves, which is very painful You have to hold back a lot of things you want to say and lay down your life when you don't when you want to punch someone you Do you do something?  How do I abide in your love verse 9 says abide my love verse 10 of John 15 says if you keep my commandments and Guess I mean you might be like what commandment should I keep there's so much actually the Bible is so simple Love one another you know and so when when we can get rid of our selfish cell and A lot of times for me when my flesh wants to just argue and Protect and say why did you say that and how I just hold back and it's I do feel like I'm gonna have a heart Text if I can't I'll take a bath have coffee calm down go in a room And I was at pastor Greg Laurie's church I was speaking at a woman's conference and I didn't realize there was a People watching online and so I was talking about the coffee and bath how it calms me down I was going to the next day I was going to pastor Greg Laurie's office and one of his pastors said did you take your bath? Did you have your coffee and I was like, how does he know I didn't I was talking to a group of women? I didn't realize there's like, you know people were watching so But you know so but I'll lock myself in a room and I'll argue and be like no this person They need to know how dare they they're you know, they're supposed to be especially the Christians we they're Christian They should know better how dare they why you know and the Lord what gives me finally pieces me arguing in my room So people don't think I'm crazy Is the Lord finally saying you have no right? You have no right. You don't need to tell show that person you were right or this and that you don't need to change You have no right die to yourself and go love that person and every single time That's God's message to me die to yourself go love that person and it's I have to just do it Step of obedience and so Jesus is saying that how do you abide in him? You have you? Abide in his love. How do you abide in his love you obey his commandment? How do you obey what commandment he says in verse? 13 greater love has no one then to lay one's life down For his friends and verse 12 before that says this is my command that you love one another I remember hearing that apostle John towards the end of his life would say Love one another and I would think oh he's old. He was old and he just like that's a simple message Come on. Give us some meat You know and apostle John, that's all he said and it's easy, but it's hard It requires death to self and Jesus says we're not worthy to be his disciple if we don't die to ourselves So I want to give you what I've seen the Lord do in my life so when I've been able to abide in him and let go of how I think things should work out and When the timing and everything and just trust God and every everywhere.   I Was able to I was sitting in front of over a hundred nations and the United Nations like circle half circle and at the front is like the president or whoever and And there's above above that and it's in Geneva and above that is translators all in this glass windows where they're you know translating and so Here I was in front of over a hundred nations, and I'm telling all these nations not hundred people This is hundred ambassadors and government officials Nations I'm telling him that Jesus Christ is a solution to what you're trying to figure out two weeks three weeks of getting together and trying to solve the world's problems and world peace and and I was able to say that to the world and say, you know Jesus Christ is the answer and I had free translators You know and and people they were listening, you know, I had an ACLJ lawyer with me and she She said there you could hear a pen drop. They were listening and and to go before Geneva summit for human rights and democracy Very liberal human rights group in Geneva and to be the only Christian speaker and say, you know, talk about Jesus Christ Said he's in prison because he believes Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sin and to go before the European Parliament the Dutch Parliament there I was talking to The Communist Party and the Socialist Party and they're getting emotional as I'm sharing about Jesus, and I'm thinking this can't be happening They're not supposed to get emotional over this They're they're part of you know, they represent the Communist Party and the Socialist Party. They were and to go before very secular media, you know, CNN and and Fox and also BBC Farce in VOA person have millions of Iranians listen live as I've shared Christ is It's a miracle. I could I couldn't have planned it I know amount of money fundraising could have allowed me to do this but And this is the beauty of the Lord choosing my life someone from Boise, Idaho who's deathly afraid of airplanes deathly afraid of speaking in front of people who as You know, we we like to put names on ourselves introvert side with extrovert not a people person But the Lord can just be like no, you know in me you're different in me. I'm gonna use you for the gospel and and so If he can choose someone who has never taken any speaking Classes is scared of speaking all of that and take her before nations with no money and no connections And no plan he can take anyone But he's just he wants he's calling the body of Christ to abide you might have been in him for 20 30 40 years He's saying will you abide in me? I have a master plan for all the problems You're seeing you're afraid of where the nation is going. I know how to solve it Will you abide in me? I want to shine, you know I grew up in Iran the first few years of my life before I came to the States and there was a war With Iraq and I remember we had to at night turn off We didn't we didn't the government turned it off for us all the we'd have no power We always had to have candles So we so that Iraqi planes couldn't see the lights and they could they couldn't bomb the houses our houses It was the the war was in our in Iran And we could see houses bombed and in the morning when my brother and I would go to school We'd see dead bodies and houses that were missile and bombed and you could hear the whistle going through and a whole neighborhood kind of disappearing and so a lot of like chemical warfare and just stuff that we saw as kids and the lights Would the government would turn off all the lights, you know, there would be no power and then you had your candle guess where everyone was The candle, you know, the Bible says we're The light of the world doesn't say we're a light. There's no other light And God is saying to his body. Can you carry your cross? That's where the power is That's where the life is stop living selfish lives that's destroying your family Your church your community. I have a plan. You don't need to bear the fruit. I Know how to take you before government officials and nations. I know how to how to change this nation I know how to bring revival. I'm just looking for someone who can get rid of themselves and say Lord You work no matter how painful no matter what your plan is and and I feel this is the message from God to his church And he can I do feel as I pray for this nation, you know it's It's a nation that gave me Jesus I always say I was a Muslim and I was able to find Jesus here. I had the freedom to choose Jesus here and so I pray for America a lot and I feel like God is waking up the church because there will be a turnaround there will be we will see a turnaround in this nation and He's calling you to abide in him. You've been in him for so long But he wants you to taste him. He wants you to know him intimately Know him and shine for him then evangelism is not hard. You know the early church it says People could see That the people I think I went over I'm sorry Okay, I just realized that the people could see the love and unity in the church and People were added to the church daily evangelism was not hard people were added. They saw it. They came to the light You know, I have had to I when I was in Geneva for example in United And you know for the United Nation, there was a lot of Iranian human rights advocate that would come to me and they would say Can you tell us about Jesus? We are we are not Muslim anymore where we think we're agnostic We've heard so much amazing testimony coming out of that prison from your husband The prisoners were released. They're telling us stories about your husband. We want to know about this Jesus So the world wants it once they see the reality of Jesus once we're rid of the religion of the preaching We're living it and our families and our communities and he's goddess. Jesus is so beautiful People want him but they have to see him. They have they see us as Christians and they see our flesh and they're like no But we have to get rid of ourselves. They can see Jesus and once they see him They're gonna fall in love. They will come to him and so I before I Finish I want to always give you a chance if you don't know Jesus Christ I I Invite you to invite him to your heart as your Lord and Savior and accept his what he did on the cross for your sin You can be in your worst and this life is hard Whether you're single or married or what you will go through trials of life. It's it will not it doesn't have favorites life is hard But I can tell you you when you connect to your maker you will you can be okay in the worst time of your life You can be at peace. You can be strong You're very weak people say you're strong. I say I know how weak I am. I know most mornings I can't even get up But I've discovered the strength of God So I invite you to come to know him and if you do know him I invite you to abide in him. God is calling you to abide. He wants a deeper deeper relationship With with the body of Christ and so I invite you to do that. Thank you for having me. Thank you for your prayers I can do it without you.


Welcome to the Fiji Symposium 2019 in Cairo, Egypt. I'm very pleased to be joining the studio today, Mr. Jeremy Grant, who is Managing Director of Technology and Business Strategy for Venable. Welcome to the studio. Thanks, good morning. Thanks for having me. Now, let's talk a little bit about the Fido Alliance. Now, I understand that you're involved with this. What is it to what does it do? So Fido Alliance is an effort to transform the way that authentication works in the digital legal system through better standards. For years, we've been using passwords, or perhaps a second factor like a one-time passcode that might be texted to your phone, which is both a terrible user experience and also increasingly hackable and fishable. So Fido is a standards effort that is unifying major players in technology, in financial services, in hardware and software, in high assurance cloud services to develop a new set of standards that are globally recognized that can be used to, in some cases, augment passwords or, ideally, replace them through, what I would say, one-touch, single gesture authentication, leveraging a mix of biometrics, matched locally on device, tied to a cryptographic key pair that then logs somebody in very securely behind the scenes. And how can Fido authentication improve the user experience to digital financial services? Well, the user experience today has been quite lousy. I think most people are today trying to manage dozens of usernames and passwords. And particularly when you're looking, and where commerce is happening these days, on the mobile device, trying to actually enter in a so-called complex password isn't particularly a good user experience, or if we're asking somebody to then go get a code from someplace else as a second factor, I think about the last thing anybody wants to do after entering one password is then go find a second password. So from the user experience, what Fido does is it basically leverages the fact that most devices today, be they running on the Android operating system, Windows, the Apple operating system, all have some common elements that are in place. The first is, and if I'll pull out my Android smartphone, inside this is a very secure chip, the trusted execution environment that can create and secure and protect cryptographic keys. This device also has several biometric sensors. It's got a fingerprint sensor, a camera that can do face and iris. And so we move from trying to enter passwords to essentially just leveraging a biometric as the first step, hold it up, or put my finger on the device to then, and that's only matched by the way on the device, that never goes off the device for privacy and security purposes. And that then unlocks a cryptographic key behind the background that logs you in. So we're talking about single gesture, biometric-enabled authentication that requires almost no effort from the user and is exponentially more secure than other types of authentication that are out there. And in terms of the big picture, what do you think the key factors are that governments and financial services sectors should consider when putting in place a strong authentication system for the digital financial services? Well, I think the first thing to keep in mind is you need to have an authentication strategy. We know today by looking at some of the studies that we see year after year from third parties that roughly 80% of breaches each year are targeted at stealing people's passwords or other credentials. So if you're suddenly bringing more financial services online where the risk model is such that there's money you could steal, people are gonna come after the passwords, first of all. And so if you're not focusing on a strategy around strong authentication, that's gonna create real problems. Second, you need to make it easy for the consumer to use because if there's one thing we've seen across the globe is that if you make it too hard, people just find ways to get around it or they won't embrace the service. The third I'd say is that privacy matters. There are architectures that will focus on warehousing millions of biometrics. My experience as a security professional has been those are quite hard to protect. And so if you can leverage some of the on-device matching capabilities to give you the convenience and security biometrics without the security risk, that goes a long way. And fourth I'd say standards are very important. The real value that FIDO provides is regardless of what device you're using, FIDO standards are built in at the chip level, at the browser level. And so it provides a very easy way to integrate multiple biometric modalities and multiple approaches to authentication backed by a global standard now recognized by the ITU and the World Wide Web Consortium. So do you think we're ever gonna reach an authentication utopia or are there always going to be issues that need to be addressed? Well, utopia is a bit of a loaded term. I dream of that I suppose. But I think what's exciting to me about FIDO is not only that the technology's good, that the security's good, but that it's backed by global standards that are basically created and embraced by who's who of technology providers out there. And so when I've, having worked in this space 20 years and been part of other attempts to try and get beyond the password that have struggled because they were just too complicated, they weren't a delight for the user, they were too costly. This is a way to leverage standards in a way that's affordable, that's great for security, great for privacy, and most important, really easy to use. And how long are we talking about here? Well, what you're seeing right now is, I think this next two years is actually gonna be transformational across the globe in terms of how you see FIDO adoption. Microsoft has pledged to build it into Windows. So if people are logging in, say, with Windows Hello on a Windows 10 machine, that's backed by the FIDO standards. You have seen Google bake it in both at the browser level with Chrome, as well as right into the Android operating system. So the Galaxy phone I was taking up before, there are a number of sites that I can now leverage FIDO to log in from the user experience. It's just a simple biometric match, but the cryptography behind the scenes is really where the security value is. And Apple, who doesn't always show up at standards, parties has actually recently announced they've started to release code for a WebKit, which is their open source code for Safari, that they're baking it into the browser. So already today, when you look at a number of major banks across the globe, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, major cloud sites, Amazon as well, that have started to bake FIDO in, I think what you're gonna see over the next 18 to 24 months is a whole new list of brand names that are popping up that are defaulting to FIDO authentication rather than username and password because of its security and its ease of use. Finally, you've trekked all the way here from Washington, I wanted to find out what's the incentive for you to be here? Oh, well, my background is I've worked at the intersection of identity and cybersecurity for more than 20 years, including quite a bit of the standards world. I first got to know the folks at the FIDO Alliance when I was actually running the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace, which was an Obama White House initiative focused on the topic we're talking about today. And I ran the identity standards team at NIST. And when I left government a few years ago, one of the ways that I viewed FIDO was it was the industry response to what the White House had called for, for industry to come together and partner with government to create new interoperable standards-based ways to better address identity online. And so this has been a deep passion of mine for more than 20 years in terms of how can you leverage good identity to enable new types of commerce that you cannot deliver online without trusted identity. And the work that FIDO's doing in the broader community, not just companies, but also governments around the globe who have been part of the Alliance and contributing to it, is really the best story out there today in terms of what's going on in the identity ecosystem. Jeremy Grotten, thank you very much indeed. Thank you.


crying with the door locked prank. Why would she even say that? I don't know. How's it going?   You're going to be so funny. Brian, you're teasing me out. What is good Marvel Squad? And welcome back to our channel. I'm so excited for today's video guys. As you guys rub the title, I'm gonna be doing the crying with the door locked prank and it's gonna be so funny because if I'm crying in the bathroom and the door is locked and Bill hears me, he's gonna freak out because whenever I get really sad or really emotional he always wants to come and comfort me and the fact that the door is locked in the bathroom, he's not gonna be able to come like hug me and make me feel better and that's what Bill is all about. He's all about making me happy and positive vibes. So this is really gonna test his emotions right here. If you guys are new to the channel, make sure you guys go hit that subscribe button and turn on your post notifications so you guys get notified every single time we upload. We are doing a $100 giveaway for three lucky winners. So if you guys wanna be entered in that giveaway, make sure you guys are commenting down below your post notifications are on and you have to be following both me and Bill on Instagram in order to be entered in this giveaway. I am gonna be having a second camera down here to get his angle outside and then I'm gonna be in the bathroom holding this camera that I'm holding right now and getting my reaction to me crying inside and me laughing. You guys wanna be able to see what I'm doing inside the bathroom and seeing what he does outside the bathroom so you guys are getting both reactions. So make sure you give this video a big thumbs up. I'll try to give this video to 25,000 likes. You guys always are crushing it. Make sure you guys are staying tuned to the question of the day that we love doing question of the days that makes our entire day when we see you guys answer all the questions that we do ask you guys. All right guys, so I just set up the second camera. I put a bunch of stuff around it so he cannot see it. I think I'm just gonna cry over something really random. I'm not gonna like make a storyline about it. I think I'm just gonna be like, I can't believe she said that to me. I was like, how could she do that to me? Why would she say that? I think you don't get it.  I hate hearing myself like fake right cringes me out so I'm sorry for the cringe levels that are about to go down right now. I might start stomping down the stairs and then like just like being super emotional. So here is it. Because if I just start down here, so I think I'm gonna go upstairs, run down the stairs and hashtag speed up.  Let's just do it. I can't believe she just did that.  Please open up the door. Can you like lock the door just so I can see you? What do you want me to do? I'm literally stuck outside the door right now. I don't know what to do. And you're making me freak out. Like I don't know why you're crying. You have to talk to me. I can't do this anymore.  Is it because of me? Is it because of me? No. Why are you crying so hard? What happened? I was going upstairs for like 10 minutes. I can't do this anymore. Bye you. I'm literally shaking. You're freaking me out now. What happened? What happened? Nothing, you see me alone. Please tell me, bro, I'm here for you. I don't want to be left alone but you have to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it.  Like nothing happened. I can't believe it. What happened? Do you want me to call someone? Can you unlock the door? Brian. It hurts so bad. I don't get why she would do this to me. Wait, what hurts? Does it hurt? Wait, does something happen to you? My heart hurts. It just hurts. Is it your sister? Also mine? Me? All right. All right. Just click the unlock. No, I don't. You're literally not going to be any informed. Oh, I can't do this anymore. I can't do this. I just don't bother you. I just want to know what's going on so I know what's going on. Nothing is going on.  I don't want to. Just calm down. You are. You want me to call any mother? No. This is serious.  No. Just saying you want to be left alone but I need information because you have to stop letting it. Now maybe you freak out. I don't want you to just leave me alone. That's nothing. You need me to do anything for you. Okay, fine. You can come in here. Hey, Brian. This was a... Stop. Team America. Team America. Brian, you had me freaking out. Literally, I was on the ground the whole time. Stop, stop. What is that? Team America. Good thing you're not known for your dancing because you're on the ground the whole time. Oh my gosh. I was literally like... I know, I felt so bad and then I'm like, all I just think something's wrong. Babe, I was freaking out. Literally, like... I'm sorry. Brian, you literally have me freaking out. Wait, what? J.K., I'm not sorry. Hashtag teamaraya, Bill. I had to do things for them. I was actually really concerned but once you said it wasn't me, I was like, oh. I'm sorry. Okay, well it's not me I didn't mean to mess with your emotions. I mean, I'm sorry but I'm not sorry. I thought like your sister like got in a car accident or something happened. Like I said, Bill, I'm sorry but I'm not sorry. I thought someone like bitched you out or something. When you kissed Madeline, you crossed the line or when you faked kiss Madeline, you really got me there. So I had to come back even harder and it get on top of you this time. And you know what? I own these pranks and you know it. So I freaking got to the movie bug. Oh, don't poke me, hey. Literally, I can't believe like... Team Araya runs this channel. Team Araya does not run this channel. I've been coming back with bangers. Team Araya runs this channel. Team Araya runs this channel. Team Araya runs this channel. I think Team Bill still has the crown. I'm not understanding. All right guys, let's leave it to the Marvel Squad. Comment down below for the question of a day. Who has the crown? Does Mariah have the crown? Or does Bill have the crown? We're gonna do votes here. Don't be biased.   Go check out our recent videos and then come back to this one and comment down below after you watch those pranks just to tell us who's holding the crown right now. We need to know who got the belt on, you know what? No, you're not. Yes, I am. You might have the little tiara, but I have the crown. Also, we're gonna do a pinned comment and it's gonna say who owns the crown. Like equals Mariah, comment equals Bill. So we'll also do in the comments and in the pinned comment. Yeah, comment down below because we really wanna know. We really wanna know. We're taking the win for our channel right now. But anyways, Marvel Squad, we love you guys. I knew you were pranking me the whole time. You guys hear him.  I don't know. I've been seeing some team builds coming onto my side lately. All right, that's what you wanna believe. We're gonna be up to you guys to see who has the crown. You are bad though. You're acting was like A1. If you made it this far in the video, I want you guys to rate down her acting because I would give that a 10 out of 10.  You were bawling. Were you actually crying? Yeah.   Like taking away candy from a toddler. You were screaming bad. Make sure you guys are subscribed and your notifications are on. So you can notify every single time we post and make sure to give this video a thumbs up. What are we getting this team or I prank to? 25,000 likes. 25K. Let's get this video to 25,000 likes for I guess my reaction because you did get me pretty much. You did get me good. I'm not in the line. I also wanna give a huge shout to all of our supporters that we met today. We met a few of you guys. Yes, we met some. So thank you guys so much. We were taking Instagram pictures and we met them in a neighborhood. It was really cool. They came up to us.  If you ever see us in public, make sure to come up to us and say hi. It's crazy how many of you guys noticed us in public. We freaking love it. It's a blessing. And we cannot wait to meet even more of you. Anyways, that was cool. I'll see you guys in the next video. But until then, Peace! Love you guys!


Ten yards penalty because I hadn't made the video live yet video Okay, here we go Three two The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by listeners like me to find out more of the Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday October 31st 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as she does most Mondays Veronica Belmont is on the on side On the side alongside. That's what I was looking for. How's it going Veronica? It is great. How are you today? I am good very excited to have Charlie Oliver founder and CEO of served fresh media alongside as well Happy Halloween guys. Thanks for having me Charlie. Thanks for for joining us We're gonna talk to Charlie about machine learning and why it's going to be very disruptive and AI is gonna do a lot Of good things and it's very scary, but we shouldn't be scared right Charlie No, we shouldn't be I Be more afraid of this election than of AI Partisan feeling At this point So we're gonna talk about machine learning in a little bit We got some top stories to get to first though Microsoft is gonna publish publicly launch its ift competitor Microsoft flow and its web and mobile app builder power apps on Tuesday, November 1st and now here are some more top stories Century link has agreed to buy level 3 communications to create the number 2 global enterprise networking company to AT&T Netflix and Google our customers for level 3. They use it to transit internet traffic and and level 3 holds 200,000 root miles of fiber some of it in cities some of it connecting continents So they they do backbone stuff. It's kind of an outdated term But I know that means something to some people out there Century link has 6 million residential customers in the US if you're an old quest subscriber They bought quest they run a lot of ISP stuff But they make 76% of the revenue from enterprise customers So the companies hope to complete the merger by Q3 2017 pending FCC approval I mean, this is a big enterprise level story And there's a lot of people very interested in it who are in this industry But I think for the average consumer the question is is this going to bring prices down and I don't think the answer is yes Veronica Yeah, I think they just make up the prices now. I think that's kind of how it works They just figure out how much we're willing to pay and just stick with that And then or they just add things to your bill and maybe you notice them or maybe you don't and it doesn't add another Competitor to the situation. It's it's something that is consolidating more business Charlie do you do you ever deal in that's that side of the internet with the these big backbone content delivery network people I Don't I have in the past but not to the extent that this makes any kind of sense to me right now because you know Again, like it's like Veronica was saying, you know, it's like when that Most people don't know or care about this and my clients don't necessarily understand this stuff I mean just getting it to even understand the front end basic stuff is challenging Yeah, I think the the thing to take away for most people is Companies like level three have made a lot of money silently in the background just connecting parts of the internet to each other and this summer for the first time level three had a Big slowdown in their revenue and that scared a lot of shareholders, which is why they're being pushed into this sale So there may be more consolidation in this business to come Keep an eye. Do they know what the other what's the slowdown for or why it's low down I'm just it's you need to have scale is from what I understand. You need to have more pipes than even level Okay, all right DC Market share to twenty one point five percent through total shipments fell six point two percent More than two-thirds of Apple shipments are the iPad and iPad mini not the iPad Pro Samsung market share fell to fifteen point one percent still pretty good for second Amazon grew three hundred and nineteen point nine percent year over year to take third and Seven point three percent of the worldwide market Lenovo and Huawei rounded out the top five Sorry for that spooky echo that crept back in there for a second Seems to have got away though. Yeah, this is this is not good news for Apple at all Apple seems to be wanting to say that we are going to have iPads Fill in the bottom end of our market that that was sort of indicated when they only introduced new MacBook Pros And yet they're not selling as many of those and is specifically not selling enough of these iPad Pros and The only company that is growing in tablets is Amazon and other companies are growing who are putting out cheap tablets and Amazon benefited from their big Prime Day sale I Have to say I used to an iPad Pro for the first time last weekend And it was really nice and I get it now Tom. I get it. I use one for my sound board I use it for for for mobile computing Charlie. I'm curious if you do you ever use a tablet on mobile? No, we've got Charlie muted now. So you're gonna have to unmute yourself apologies for that Yeah, this is this is fascinating though I mean it makes sense that kind of the the cheaper level or less expensive models are definitely starting to to creep up into the ranks Maybe it's just because having a tablet is no longer quite the same kind of high-end experience that maybe it what once was So I understand why that's happening. I and I'm also not surprised that the iPad Pro is really the one That's kind of lagging behind Yeah, Charlie. Do you use a tablet for anything? I do. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we can. Oh And then it did mute it again somehow. I don't know if you're you're accidentally muting yourself.  I'm so sorry guys. All right. There's a ghost in here because it's Halloween. It's Halloween And I'm from Brooklyn so the ghosts around here mean Cranky So yeah, I actually do I don't use a tablet anymore Ironically, I just sold to that.  I mean my phone is fine. I have used the iPad tablet It's a beautiful machine. It's wonderful, but it's not something that I'm going to pay that amount for And I think a lot of people are there right now Oh Not good news by Apple though. Yeah. Yeah, definitely not last Friday We we got some good news the US Library of Congress put in force an exemption to the digital Millennium Copyright Act allowing users to circumvent Copyright protection in order to modify and repair their vehicles that includes your tractors. We've talked about that before Researchers can also report bugs to automakers without violating the law Which before if if they circumvented copyright protection to research a bug That was technically in violation and they could get sued by the company they're reporting the bug to This exemption expires in two years, however So either the Library of Congress will have to renew it every so often or the EFF is actually leading a charge to get them To make it a permanent exemption Well, hopefully they'll see that it works and that it doesn't doesn't destroy You know being able to actually sell software for for things like vehicles for example, and they'll just continue it anyway Yeah, no, this is just a notable thing especially because we've talked so often about tractor repair and auto repair and if you have to get into the software the Legal intricacies that you're dealing with just to fix your own car I don't think that many people are going to take advantage of this But I think it's good that it's out there as an exemption So I'm not the only one who thinks it's a good idea to that it that they will have to review it Ever so often every two years or whatever. I actually like rather it not be a permanent exemption. I Don't think considering what we have the legislative hurdles We have to kind of get over in the next few years with autonomous vehicles I don't think that we should set be set on anything I think we should constantly be reviewing these laws and constantly, you know updating them and editing them now If I don't know if they can keep up with that much You know turnover and constantly reviewing that's the problem the government can't necessarily keep up with that But I know I think it's a good idea to Keep reviewing these things every few years as we innovate more and more. I think things will change Yeah, I mean you can make an argument that making it permanent might preclude certain future exemptions from being considered. Yeah The Washington Post Jeff Quo posted last week that research from Harvard Business School suggests that Wikipedia Has become increasingly balanced in the course of its 15-year history The site has had its share of flame wars among editors and in the past leaned left, but has steadily drifted toward the center In fact Shane Greenstein Feng Zhou and Yao Gu found that individuals who post political articles on Wikipedia use fewer Ideologically charged statements over time the researchers analyze more than 70,000 articles related to American politics Edited by 2.9 million people now We're talking about Wikipedia which has its own manual you have to read about how to properly talk about the edits that you make Of Wikipedia. This is a culture. That's you know a 15 years old plus at this point It's matured. So it may not be representative of things, but my Hope I fall short of saying belief But my hope has always been that all of this Partisan bickering and sniping at each other and not just in the world of politics But in all kinds of issues was a symptom of the fact that we couldn't actually talk to each other before and now We're running into people with different viewpoints and that maybe over time we could learn how to talk to each other Here's an example of one situation at least where that seems to be happening And also I think too It's been around long enough that it's become kind of self-policing in many ways There's always going to be situations where there's going to be defacing or or you know trolling of Wikipedia articles specifically But I think that the the overall community has kind of matured to a point where they're looking for that kind of stuff And know how to fix it a lot better than previously right Yeah, this I mean to me. It's really interesting that I think I kind of agree with you, Tom And that this is a very isolated situation that probably is not applicable to any other site on the internet Nonetheless, I think research is fascinating, but here's the thing I Don't know I like the idea of looking at especially on Facebook where I think everyone I know has cut off someone or unfriended someone because of the elections because of fights with over the politics I Mean Something that I'll be able to kind of help us to do meaning mediate our discussions Because there's a lack of awareness on our part when we have these discussions in social media And I just had a like a knockdown drag-out sort of a debate on Twitter a couple of weeks ago And I never get involved in those things But it took one tweet that I said that was pretty You know ran it was to a friend and the community just kind of saw it and it snowballed and people made Assumptions and assumptions and it turned into big ugly. I mean I ended it but still you know I feel like maybe this is some someplace where machine learning and bots can help us we need help Yeah, I got sucked into an argument one time about whether AMC should have special showings for people Who want to use their phones while they watch the movies? And it's I mean, yeah, I granted that's that is a that is That is a controversial decision on their part. I didn't realize how So I mean it can be about anything and and I guess what I'm hoping There might be some indication in this in this Wikipedia study is that maybe there's some best practices in there that can't be ported Directly over but some things we could some principles we could pull out to say hey when you actually start to Realize that the people you're talking to are real you start to moderate your your Rhetoric a little at least that's what they're finding here. I don't know how to translate that but I don't give me some kind of hope I Just feel like Twitter, especially if Twitter, which is a platform that sort of I think by design Unfortunately, it's it it it brings out our worst cognitive biases it kind of I think by design a Platform like Twitter wouldn't even know what to do with that Although I'm really disappointed that they haven't done any kind of real research Twitter should be doing research like this about its own community. I mean Twitter is about ten years old a little more than that Why don't we know more about Twitter? Yeah, why it's not working? They're a design change Twitter could make that would that would it help moderate That we're doing a hackathon about that next month You go right into my trap. Yeah. Yeah through tech 2025 and it what spurred that was this Knockdown drag-out fight that I had that I didn't think was warranted and was kind of crazy That even celebrities especially can involve them. But yeah, the idea is can we build a better? Twitter either, you know through AI machine learning bots or whatever that addresses our cognitive biases that addresses the fact that we Don't know how to have this course on these platforms that we need to learn now. You know what I mean? So maybe I think there is yeah, maybe somebody can hack something up fingers crossed Finally Manuel Sebre and Ramos of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization and Pinar Yanar Dang and Ayad Rahwan at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have taught AI algorithms to create frightening images by feeding it one picture of a zombie now the scientists fed 200,000 images of real human faces to the neural network which learned how to create human faces But they only had to give one zombie face for it to start to be able to modify images to make them scary And then they want you to help teach them what's actually scary and what isn't because some of them are just awkward or weird You could vote on them at nightmare dot mit dot edu slash faces And help the AI get better at terrifying people now the scientists say by teaching a machine To know what frightens people It can then avoid frightening people you're teaching it What's frightening and then you can tell the AI like now that you know what's frightening? Don't show those images if you're not trying I'm good. I'm good on this particular one Yeah, what do you like about it charlie? Yeah Well, you know what I love first of all, I am a horror movie a fissionado I'm a buff when it comes to horror movies. I can watch those Morning noon and night. So this kind of really Got me going and then it was interesting because I went to the instagram page.  I mean I see scarier things walking down the street in new york city on a daily basis, but okay Okay, but I was really kind of fascinated by the fact that reporters were reporting on this as if to say This is not smart to do because people are already afraid of AI Why would you do something that would make them even more afraid and I don't know if they were just being Silly or whatever, but I thought that was kind of crazy. I like the type I think this is a way to get people involved in AI in a way that's fun and You know, I when I tweeted it out people shared it. They loved it Yeah, and it certainly catches people attention at halloween time It's the kind of thing that that folks are going to be more interested in participating in And then you're actually getting some some crowdsourced help into training that AI Which is you know, that that's always good to have that kind of participation Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You don't have to be frightened to do it Just get in there and vote on some stuff that people have submitted or submit your own stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com That's a look at the top stories Let's talk to charlie oliver a little bit about what you do one You had a great medium post earlier this week about the fact that people are Not as afraid as you would think of AI. They're familiar with it They're mostly afraid about losing their jobs, but it doesn't seem like anyone's actually Out there giving people the information they need to know to not be afraid of machine intelligence All right That's it exactly tom and to be honest with you. It's not just that it's that you know, listen This is you know, we're in a sort of a rebirth of AI or whatever you want to call it a renaissance It's it's an exciting time. I mean, I think it's I think it kicks But that people are excited and want to know more But there's like within any other kind of technology that's emerging. There's a lot of misinformation There's I mean, then you have people like, you know Elon Musk running around talking about robots eating us in 500 years and and and then you have the culture Of AI which as far as this country goes, you know with regards to movies TV Is it's complicated? We tend to like to think that robots are going to become our overlords because we've been seeing that in TV and films for years I mean, it's a grained in us to think that While they are wonderful when they serve us that they can you know Kind of change on us at any point and turn into these these beasts that will devour us But uh, but yeah research is actually showing there was research that was done recently about this And it was and that's part of the problem is that we don't have research on public attitudes about AI And so one of the things that we're doing at tech 2025, which is what I just launched is we are we are working with organizations to get more research on people's public attitudes About AI, which I don't think brands are aware of I don't think that the developers understand that People are really open to this and there was an impromptu sort of a informal poll taking out a microsoft event it was a microsoft Emerging technology events about a month ago and and the question was you know, how Open are you to AI and and how are you know? Are you afraid of it or something like that and something like 90% of the people who responded said? Uh, I want to know I'm really intrigued by it, but I just need help understanding what it is You know, so I think that's where we are Yeah, how do we do that if we were if someone comes up to you and says I want to know more about machine intelligence I want to know more about AI. What do you tell them? Well, I I always when people come up to me and ask me I always begin by asking them questions because I want to get to know who they are And I start asking them things like what do you do? You know, oh, what kind of you know, I ask them about the technology that they use and that gives me some sort Insight into who they are because if you can make it as personal as possible People go. Oh, okay. So they may say I look at the phone that they have and I'm like, oh What phone is that what are you using? Oh, you know, you're already using AI You know that that, um, you know, apple has syrian Do you know that this and that sort of gets them acclimated to the idea that oh, I've been using it all along You mean and that's part of the problem is that we've been using it But people have not been educated all along So I think it helps a lot and what we have found is that when we talk to people about AI in a very personal way and the AI that's in their homes and what's coming It it disarms them from any concerns That I think most of us would believe that people would have so that's the first thing and then the second thing is I tell them straight out. Look, I am trying to help people understand AI I'm trying to kind of force the conversations between the tech community the developers and ordinary people and business people about AI and machine learning But don't get it twisted. I'm not like an expert at this per se. I don't develop the technology You know, I start with hey, I don't really know a whole lot compared to some other people. I'm learning Um, I tell them that everybody in this space right now is learning even the experts and I think that's the thing people fear Not knowing and they fear what they don't know But I think if they understood just how much we're all excited about this and how much there is to learn You know, it would be huge but I try to get them out to events. So we do it through events By the way, that's a huge thing if you can get people to a lot of events And we do workshops and we do like we have an event coming up Like I said the hackathon is one thing that's for the tech community. But yeah, if you get people to events I try to get people to go to meetups. We do meetups as well It helps because then they can talk to each other Yeah, and they want to actually experience something directly Uh, you start to understand it more and you understand its limitations I mean, it's funny to hear on the one side people saying, oh, I you know AI might get out of control and on the other side Veronica, you've got people complaining like the AI isn't good enough. It won't understand me when I talk when I talk Yeah, I think charlie hit the nail on the head by saying that even the experts don't really understand How everything is coming together just yet I mean, especially in the bot space where I work There's a lot of misconceptions about what is artificial intelligence and and what is machine learning and what is natural language processing And how do these things all come together and how are they supposed to make my life easier? And you know what even even the big companies like x.ai that have you know, 70 plus people a lot of which are are you know scientists Neers and programmers are still having a hard time figuring out how to make their digital assistant Work in a way that makes it feel like a real human being and and you know, amy.exe Amy.xi and andrew are still not getting things right for a lot of people and I myself don't use it regularly because When you're scheduling meetings with people that's like a really crucial moment to get it right and not offend someone or piss someone off So, you know, there's still we have a long long way to go There's millions upon millions of dollars being funneled into these industries right now and yet they're still We still don't really know what we're doing And I think that's kind of magical actually It is yeah Hey, do you think I I've I've decided to sort of switch up my repertoire with how I Introduced the whole idea of machine learning to people who don't know there was this tweet that went out last week or a couple of weeks ago by Mike Townsend and it got something like several hundred retweets or whatever and his comment about He's I think the founder of uh flow tab his comment about machine learning was this this is his tweet Machine learning is like high school sex. Everyone says they do it. Nobody really does and no one knows what it actually is Well, this is this is amazing because I was at IBM's world of watson last week I'm hosting some events for them and one of the events we did was this event called cognitive college Where we're essentially teaching IBM influencers like how to describe these terms that are very kind of Up in the air and people use them sometimes interchangeably and nobody really knows what they mean yet exactly especially lay people But also people who are working in technology don't really know the difference between them And I've been asked to speak at events about our company like time and time again Where they're like come come talk about your ai and like we don't use ai we don't Don't even use nlp. We don't use that but we don't you don't necessarily they're they're not interchangeable They're not one in the same not every bot uses ai and vice versa. So it's it's it's still it's kind of the wild west right now Well, didn't I freak out tom when you sort of asked me? I mean, I was very flattered to be to be asked on the show Thank you guys, but when you You say hey, you know, I see what you do You know, it's really interesting and I would love if you would come and talk about machine learning and ai and I was like, wait, what? Anyway, like mind you I do this with people, you know, I mean, I do this with clients and I do this with people who tech 2025 but the idea It's so tenuous and mushy and you know, it's this it's all a sort of a mess, but it's a beautiful mess Uh, yeah, but it's it's that's what I need with and I talk to people People about this which that will do if you're gonna wait to feel comfortable about talking about this stuff You're gonna get left behind like everybody. This is another opportunity in history That has presented itself during our lifetime And we can all participate and actually in order for this stuff to really work the way it's supposed to the way We hope it will to deliver the promises that all these big companies say that AI will deliver We need to be involved in the conversation. It doesn't matter if you sound stupid or crazy You know, no, and I think that's that's that's important is to understand that Just like you could talk about computers in the 70s without understanding assembly language You know, you you don't have to understand All the natural language processing algorithms Not that if you don't want to go if you want to go down that rabbit hole go down that rabbit hole But this is something that's going to impact your lives So getting a little bit of understanding of it is going to help you quite a bit And that's like you say going to events and getting your hands on it and using it and downloading Apps and trying it out and seeing where as we've talked about it's broken and where it isn't I think alleviates a lot of fears and you start to understand how it can actually help you the more experience that you get Right not to mention the fact that this stuff is going to be in the future that the jobs goes that are going to be needed or required We'll have a lot to do with AI. You're going to have to be proficient to some degree I mean if you're going to be whatever you'll be doing I mean, I think and Veronica and I would love to know what you guys think But I think that this stuff is training us for how we're going to engage with the deeper Learning AI that's coming. I mean, we're at the sort of the press precipice of what's to come. So, yeah We need to go to high school eventually so After having all that sex Colleges coming folks start to get familiar with your AI Exactly exactly Well speaking of Yeah, go ahead Charlie No, no, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no carry on. I was just about to move us to our final thing of the day So if you got one more thought, yeah, no, no, that's it I was just going to say in terms of in terms of machine learning and AI. I mean, like you said, it's also complicated and What I I try to tell people is that the easiest I wouldn't say the easiest probably the most the friendliest way to be introduced to Hands on AI and I tell people get in and get your hands dirty is through bots You know, and I tell people anyone today can build a bot.  So get in there. Get take some classes online I mean god, there's so many great classes and machine learning of all in all levels You can go theoretical or you can go technical but Make a make a commitment to building a bot and give yourself a bot by date Like by this date. I want my bot finished, you know and make it six months three months or whatever But it'll be it's fun. So give it a shot and try to draw, you know, bring some people in with you Absolutely 100% agree In fact, our pick of the day is is not about bots particularly or intelligence Machine intelligence, but scott from Iowa Wanted to send a pick of the day your way He goes to kirkwood community college in cedar rapids, iowa and he writes i'm the president of our cyber defense club That that is now a thing apparently in school. So cyber We will be heading to iowa state to compete as blue team in the cyber defense competition The top three teams get to go to the national competition in the spring For a complete and compete at the university level I thought this type of event would make for a good pick for any students that are listening in the audience This competition is one of the best learning experiences i've had It also looks good on a resume if you have the chance to take part in one of these red versus blue competitions I highly recommend it and he's like you don't have to be a student You could still take part the red team often needs volunteers If you don't have the skill for red team, you can be on the green team They're always looking for people to act as the end users He says the scenarios for the competition are getting more interesting in the last few years They've been adding phones so that the blue team can take calls from the green team The average users and perform common tasks like unlocking accounts resetting passwords I really appreciate this aspect because as the dts audience is well aware People are far greater threats than anything else Last spring in the national competition. They added a skater network Skater is the control system that's in charge of most of our infrastructure And often is derided for having no security or default passwords, etc So I just wanted to share this with some people that might actually be interested In talking about this sort of thing also He said if you mentioned this to darin kitchen and the rest of the hack 5 gang I'd like to basket the warmth of their approval So there you go scott. I'm sorry darin's out of the show today, but i'll pass this along to him as well And you should check it out cdc dot i s e a g e i s e age dot org If you're interested in that sort of thing Very cool Send more picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks too soon We are at the end of the show, but charlie. Thank you so much for joining us You're welcome. Thank you guys for having me. I love you guys I learned a lot from you and from the community. So yay Hey Good to have you on if folks want to find out more about uh, the events you do or any of the other things you do Where should they go? So you can go to tech 2025 tec 2025.com and there's a listing of events. We have a Two of the several events coming up events on cyber security and we have one this week on Clinton and trump's technology innovation policies We're kind of kind of go deep on that and then i'm headed out to um, the tecanomy conference where there'll be mark zuckerberg and uh, red curts while i'm on a bunch of other awesome people talking about uh, a lot of what we just talked about just now And i'll be covering it and live tweeting it. So um, you can go to the page and see it and yay And follow me on twitter at it's complicated It's complicated Yeah, like i yeah, like no It's that my life is complicated, but my but your twitter handle is not Twitter.com slash it's complicated. Thank you again charlie. Thank you so much guys Veronica belmont, uh, you have lots of resources people can use to learn about about bots I do. Yeah, you can check out a bot wiki.org if you want to see some tutorials on making your own bot Like she said, it's super easy. There's tons of different ways you can do it And if you want to jump into a community of bot makers and enthusiasts head over to bot makers.org We make it really easy to remember that stuff And if you work for a big company or a small company or and use slack and you want to test out the bot that I work on It's called grow bot and you can download it at the slack app store Thank you everybody who makes the show possible daily tech news show dot com slash Support is the place to go to find out more about that and a huge thanks to every single one of the people in our audience Who supports us on patreon patreon.com slash dts If I can beg your indulgence to ask one more thing audience We're putting together our best of 2016 show that will air at the end of december So if you have a particular moment you loved from this year, let us know about it bit.ly Slash best of dts Our email address is feedback and daily tech news show dot com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphankeek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with scott johnson because this week's all all weird by schedules. We'll talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Hey good show Oh my god Through through technological fires Oh, you guys you guys rock. I tell you thank you just like made my week. Oh good I was very nervous. I was very very nervous. Yeah, great. You couldn't tell You're gonna go hang out with mark zuckerberg and stuff. Why are you nervous about being with us? No, because I learned so much from you guys that Well, thank you Yay Well, we always hang around and we name the show and stuff, but I know you're you're busy. So Please take off whenever you need to but thanks again charlie. It was great having you on Yeah, it was awesome. Thank you so much. Um I guess by I would love to stick around but Yeah, stick around No, no, it's my way of saying I don't want to impose on your time Yeah, don't feel like you Yeah, if you want to stay you're a more than welcome to stay. We just don't we okay. Awesome. Oh good. Good. I'm glad Then you can help us. I picked my favorite. Oh, all right. So my favorite so far is ghost in the machine by boo oh cow Okay Ghost in the machine, but is it didn't we use that one before did me? I think so, but um top is open the podcast bay doors How I for one followed up by I for one welcome our robot overlords Uh third is AI not afraid of no ghost get it. I Yeah, um ghost in the machine the one Veronica liked bought by date Uh for and then what goes and it's binary in the night for bump Um, what else do we do? It's so funny today. It's super funny Yeah, it's good. I like it. Love it. Love it. AI is AI right. All right. AI right. Iight You like ghost in the machine because it's halloweeny. Is that it? Mm-hmm Makes sense I have no favorites Charlie, do you have a favorite? Well, they're all good if I can be diplomatic But ghost in the machine because it's halloween and I love that the reference I think we have a unanimous cool Ghost in the machine it is I'm surprised no one came up with zombie anything. I guess zombies are over and done with, huh? Yeah, maybe that's the indication Zombies have jumped the shark We need that we need you or a newer or an unoverused horror Theme thing they're all taken like vampires is over zombies had done. Um I think when when vampires became young adult I stopped following All right, I have to get back to work myself. Okay. Thanks, Veronica. Thanks Yeah, you too. Hopefully I'll see you at some AI events or something in the future. I hope so Bye guys Yes, it's thanks everybody for watching. I'm gonna stop the broadcast now. Okay