Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 81 the final one to end the year of 2022 and as you can see We're doing something crazy. We're doing something new. We're doing something for the first time And not just having three people not just having four we've been there Why not make it a six pack because that's how we're going to do it to end the year And you know what if it ends up going well and you guys really enjoy it Maybe this is something we could try a bit more often in 2023.  At least I think it's going to be fun. Maybe it's going to be too wild and crazy So let's get all the introductions all the way first up. I am your host as always nathan and rubble jance The other guy the but the other big man on screen You guys know he's Eric mortis co-host podcast. Hello everybody All right down on the bottom. We got uh, let's go left right. We got mike odyssey. How's it going? Yep Then son bro nation What's up everyone happy to be here? Andres restarts right next to him Hello, how's the guys? How you guys doing? And then you know the height man himself who's busy pouring something I don't know what he's doing. He just beat elden ring. So he's he's all sorts of jacked up at the moment Okay Hey guys, how you doing? He's got a hell yeah, he's either jacking himself up more or he's trying to calm down I'm not sure which way he's going at the moment, but that looks like caffeine All right, well guys we have we have a jam-packed show. Uh, we're gonna be talking about tears of the kingdom Oh, man, who no one wants no one even likes that game, right? I'm just waiting for that game to come out so people can stop talking about it. Oh my Yeah It's gonna be every video topic for like the next two years. Um All right, we're talking a little bit about some I don't know switch pro or I guess maybe not switch pro I don't know some weird stuff happened today or over the last 24 hours that we're gonna talk about Or maybe nothing happened. Maybe it's a nothing burger. I don't know We'll get there mic we'll get there we'll get there We know you dropped a 21 minute video today on how nothing it is There's nothing you sure had a lot to say. Um, yeah, exactly. I had a lot to say about it being nothing Yeah, then we get into our final topic which is gonna be making some predictions bold predictions conversations about things We expect coming to Nintendo switch in 2023 We'll obviously just recap quickly the things we already know because like hey guys the zelda games are coming I sure I predict that oh, you know what Right, that's that's not gonna that's not gonna fly. It's a phenomenal All right, let's just let's just get into the way we start every podcast with what we have been playing lately Uh, and you know what let's start with Hmm. Eenie meenie miney mo. Let's go with Eric. How you doing? What are you doing? My switch is actually here. I was actually playing for a little while. Um sparks. I hope again I'm still working on the third level, but uh, third world world the world. Sorry my fault.  There's world The original mario bros taught you nothing I'm sorry. Yeah, you're right world one one. Yeah, exactly. Um, so no, I've been playing some more sparks I hope freaking still love it. It's Yeah, so that's all I've been playing That's awesome. Uh, all right next up. Let's get let's bring mike odyssey up here bud. What are you been playing lately? Hey, I'm big. What's up? Been to the gym clearly. All right, so basically I've been uh playing uh I've been uh playing um final fantasy. Um crisis core, which is Incredible by the way, love it on the switch on the switch It's running flawlessly. Why I don't I haven't played it on a xbox or a ps5 um I was debating with him between getting on ps5 and and inspiration. You know what? I'm gonna just because you know what happened with Sonic I ended up spending a hundred bucks.  They I know you don't like to replay games I like to replay games on the game. It's very rare though. Um, uh, so yeah final fantasy Um, I went back to animal crossing by the way on christmas day I went ahead and reboot it. I erased it and started on that day I'm just curious what happens if you ask when you started in you start in the winter And it's actually a completely different game in the winter Because there's no bugs. You can't catch any bugs. It's really hard to find things in unless you complete tasks So you have to kind of, you know, it's you have to be very creative in winter So if you start in the southern hemisphere for those of you in australia, like, you know Uh, when you get the game and you know, it's actually a lot difficult So I'm glad that I did that just to kind of know about that a little bit playing mario Um, and just just rambling. That's it so much. Oh, yeah, and uh, I got my tea my vid tea It's pretty good. Now. I can actually talk without coughing. So I'm good. I'm I'm doing good.  He's uh, slowly getting better though. Yeah He's here. I didn't think he was gonna be here today.  So it's still there. I just have to Take it easy. No worries. Not contagious. It's not contagious Yeah, I'm I'm dude. You just gave it to me through the camera. What are you Breathing That that's how the internet works, right? Yeah, like you can just throw dollar bills at the camera and it goes out to the audience, right? Well All right, uh, nice. Hey some donation. What are you even playing lately? Man, I've been split lately on games. So gotta war ragnarok is taking all my free time when I can do it 25 hours in but I'm not towards the end yet. The story keeps getting better I made the mistake of playing that on give me gotta war difficulty Which broke me after about 18 hours in and I downgraded To give me no mercy and it's just because the naming. Why do they got a name? It give me gotta war when that's the name of the game. It's clever They baited me into it But anyway after like just being stuck for I don't know two and a half hours on the same boss fight I was like, it's time to downgrade and enjoy this game a little bit So I've now been swiftly making more progress through that and then I'm playing a pokemon violet every time I get a chance It's my favorite ps2 rpg. I've played in years. It's fantastic. Uh, no, obviously it's it's great I'm having a lot of fun with it minus the performance issues And then a little bit of sonic frontiers, but honestly for how hyped I was about sonic frontiers I haven't not gotten the time to put into it that I want to yet So it's it got a war ragnarok's kind of taking the top priority right now Then violet and frontiers will get completed as I have time. So Nice nice nice. All right. Anders restart. What are you been playing lately? so I was still I'm still playing a little bit of pokemon myself and uh, mark art because of the dlc but uh I have this idea for like a versus conversation On my channel where you take two different games that are kind of comparable and like compare them So I don't want to say exactly what it is yet, but Basically, I went rummaging through my boxes yesterday and I found my we you and I dusted it off And I'm playing win waker hd. I fired it back up again It's actually one of my most favored games to replay. I think it might be like the most replayable zelda And uh, I'm having a good time with it so far It's win waker hd. It's amazing. Yeah, that's awesome. I got tired of waiting for it to come on the switch I actually bought a Wii U Is that not one of the best like aged zelda games? Like it just Oh, yeah, I don't know what it is And the Wii U version of the site is a maz ahead of the game Like it took care of every issue the game conversion had and just like that game's a treasure now The only issue I have with it.  I haven't booted up in a while. Are you still finding tingle bottles out there? um Wasn't looking Oh, that's sad. See back in the heyday, you didn't really have to look. There was just so many if you had any friends Yeah, I don't know if there's a lot of active players in that game at the moment Uh, it's okay. What are you been playing lately? Oh, man, dude, where do I begin? So like right before I came into this, uh, chat I was telling the boys that I literally just be elden ring And oh, wow, you just be everywhere. I'm like, listen, I have Like I'm pushing 200 hours into the game and I just beat it because I did not want that game to end It was just like that that's a games game. That's that game is All things magical and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and platinum it so I've been playing a lot of that I've also been playing a lot of breath of the wild and ocular of time like Back and forth because I'm like, okay. No, I'm gonna have to settle the argument in my head I'm like, which one is number one for me because I'm like, is it like Like for for a couple of years after breath of the wild came out. I'm like, right This is number one, but then I play ocular of time again. I'm like, damn this game is so good Right, but then I'm like, you know Number one, they're they're both tied for number one at this point Like it's just whatever I'm feeling and then along with that I've been playing a lot of Pokemon Scarlet I've been playing a lot of final fantasy Seven crisis core reunion and then surprisingly enough like during Christmas. I decided to boot it up again I just decided to start playing Um Kingdom Hearts 358 days over two for the ds Just I'm like, you know, let me just let me just start playing this game again And I just been doing a whole new run of that. Nice. That's what I've been playing lately, you know And you guys got me I'm fighting between elder ring and um god of war. I don't know what's want to play first I'm like debating That game is personalized It's personalized. I mean it's game of the year. So I might as well give it.  I'm gonna buy elder ring. That's what I do. Yeah. There you go. So So My fiance got me a playstation 5 for christmas, which was Like congrats. That's awesome. Awesome. So I already Filled those little backs for I had a playstation 5 once before Um, but we went on a vacation like a year ago and we were supposed to go on a completely different vacation and her Uh visa didn't work not her visa her passport Because of COVID it was all messed up. It was super hard to get it So we couldn't get in time. So we had to rapid switch our vacation and we couldn't get all the money back from one of them Uh from where we were going. So I ended up selling the piece to sort of help pay for the vacation Uh, anyways, she's felt bad about it ever since I kept telling her don't feel bad about I'm a nintendo channel. I'm good I still got switch games like I'm I'm good. I got next class. I gotta switch. I can't stop to play Uh, but yeah, so she got me the ps5. So I went back.   Um, and then good game And then I got a new Controller the other day for the xbox series. So It's a nice one. I want you know, it's I don't mind really into the camo, but I am into the blue No, no, it's kind of a color on my channel. I'm not sure if people are So, Nate, let me ask you would you say the ps5 is like Your most regretted gaming item you sold or there's something else you regret selling more I have a personal regret. I'll tell you I regret selling with you. Okay Okay, so mine is similar. I still have my will you as I mentioned earlier But this is probably a hint as to what versus discussion i'm working on playing through winwick or hd right now But there's another zelda game that I've been hunting for And I really regret selling it back when I did that's I have an idea That's why I printed safety It is a real pain to find I was All over miami today trying to find it Couldn't find it looking online. Hey, try to miami Yeah, miami Yeah Yeah, we have three people in here from florida, of course This is a florida dominated podcast Florida sucks, man Hey, at least you know how to hit not in buffalo with 49 inches of snow. So oh, no, give me some. I want that 49 inches though Yeah, that's that's like as tall as me almost that's that's not good But yeah, it's it's really hard to find twilight princess hd like I even I realized today Oh, I can't even like buy it on my will you like e-shop like you you're not allowed to add There's still a way to add it to your nintendo account And then somehow that balance will transfer to your we you if you link like your old nintendo id with the new one I think it's until march you have until the end of march before they shut that So you go straight to nintendo's website. Mm-hmm something like that. There's still a way There's still a way because I remember reading through like it's the end of march of 2023 is the cutoff where nothing can be bought Nothing nothing. I might do that. Yeah Just have a digitally dollar well 60 dollars worth of e-shop points just so I can try and get twilight princess hd Because I gave up on getting the physical version Yeah, so I might do that It's still gonna be cheaper than hunting it down physically because nobody's gonna sell a friend or under 50 bucks It's 50 bucks on the e-shop. So I mean, that's better than 120 or you know I think wind waker hd is only 20 on the e-shop Like whenever I booted that up to make an e-shop video when that one all went down They they announced that it was 20 bucks for wind waker hd. I was like this is this is a steal Even if you're not a you know, if you don't like to buy digital that's still too too cheap to pass up Man, unfortunately I had to get mines digital because I remember when wind waker hd came out For some weird reason it came out like a week before digitally than physically and I'm like why and I'm always like I need my things physical But I don't want to wake up a whole week to play wind waker again about that I remember that time we're start for games too. Like oh, yeah Yeah, it was bad. So I was in the same boat as you I just got wind waker hd immediately digitally because I I needed a game for my wii to play The only thing I was playing was new super marbles you and pigment three.  That was that was great But you know But you know, you know, by the way Something else like a zelda Yeah, anyone who's super chats, by the way, there was one earlier if it's about a topic We're going to cover later. Don't worry. I have all the super chat saved So we'll we'll bring it up during the specific topic. I think we have one already about the switch pro stuff So we'll we'll get to that later Speaking of the topics the very first topic And this is I don't know if we'll get off this topic. We'll see tears of the kingdom tears of the kingdom So there's been a few things that have happened over the last few weeks esrb ratings no alcohol That was sort of a notable thing. I guess compared to breath of the wild. I got through you about that We also had a thing happen today We're some advertising at a dutch retailer It looked like one of those little pamphlet magazines that just like gamestop hands out and advertises games I had a mention of nintendo switch online In there which is interesting because nintendo switch online isn't mentioned for every switch game In those type of things. So what is the reasoning for that and notably down in the right corner? It did show like Single player per console, but it said per console didn't necessarily preclude co-operating. I have no clue what's happening there I have an idea as well. I'm sure you do I'm sure you do But i'm going to let eric go first Because he actually has something to say about this and he's been begging me for like three hours Tell everyone to shut up and let me talk eric I actually have a thought for once For once in my life. So You know nate's nate's going on about this multiplayer stuff and it's like okay. That that's a good theory Now i'm gonna throw this out there and see if any gonna be anybody can pick up on my theory links awakening the new one Don't don't don't put that in my head No Yo That's like, oh, she could shrines or she could shrines. Yep. Equivalence. Oh, I mean, it plays all the correct words, right? Oh, boy. Oh, my. It was a breath of the wild and just rework all, remix all the things and all the shrines in that game. It will be infinite gameplay. Awesome. It's an amazing idea. OK. I have a community movement behind me. My theory for Eric's now, I'm not going to talk anymore. I'll let you guys do it. Now, my idea feels like that just came out of no. I wasn't even thinking about that. Wow. I was mostly why you were doing your video earlier today. I was mostly like, oh, I saw you doing that. And I was like, is he like trying to play Legos? No. Dungeon Builder. Can you imagine if they actually like, because like Dungeon Building in 2D for Link's Awakening was like, OK, I can see how this is like done. You place enemies here, place them in here, but like translating that over the 3D sounds a little, a little crazy. So I was like thinking if they were to take that idea, they could still do something like that for like, you know, Sheikah Shrine Equivalents or whatever, where like, OK, Sheikah Shrines that has this, like lava traps, this type of enemies, this, that, that. You list them all. And then imagine that the game procedurally generates it. Oh, there it is. And I'm like, boom. That's infinite gameplay right there. Now, that was like, oh, Magnetism Kingdom like above Breath of the Wild. On that alone, on that alone. Uh-uh. It wouldn't be smart if they, if they did that at all, it would be very smart for them to attach it to a major Zelda game, like a mainline one, as opposed to, and will there be the adoption rate of Zelda Dungeon Maker, the game, like Mario, like I don't think it's going to sell that well if they do it as a standalone, but if you attach it as an optional mode to your biggest mainline Zelda, that's that would be the way to do it. I like that theory. Yeah, because think back to when Breath of the Wild came out, like you would just see all these different little videos of people doing crazy stuff with Breath of the Wild. So you're right. It would just, it would probably like make itself maybe even better, because people continually share all the crazy stuff you do with this. Like that would. The question is, what does the tool set look like? Because, you know, they would have to, you know, if you think about the amount of options that go into a 3D dungeon for Zelda, and maybe that's how they get around not giving us traditional dungeons this time. It's like, hey guys, that's community stuff now. You have fun with it on the side. That's like something you can do. No, no. I'm just saying that they could add more value. So it's a combination of Link's Awakening with Mario Maker, where you can go up online and then see everybody's dungeon or kind of play unlimited dungeons all the way through. There you go. Like a dungeon rush mode. I think it's just a test ground for that Link's Awakening was. It was a test ground. See how it works and, you know, see if people liked it and, you know, kind of get their feet wet on it and. Yeah, there's precedent for that. Nintendo does do that. Like when you look at, like, for example, Link Between Worlds, like the dungeons were out of order and what happened in Breath of the Wild, the dungeons were out of order. Yo, you guys are giving me ideas, man, because, like, imagine they do that, like in Super Mario Maker, where you can make a world or do infinitely dungeons that people create online. But then at the same time, when people make dungeons, they put parameters on people's, like you can only take this amount of weapons into this dungeon. Or you can only take electric weapons into this dungeon. Or you can no shields into this dungeon. Ooh. Wow. Damn. Setting specific challenges. And then, obviously, there'll be, like, the Eventide Island challenge, right? Or, like, what they did in the deal, the first way of the DLC, where, what was it called? The Trial of the Sword. Yeah, exactly. Like that, yeah! Yeah. That'd be really cool. I would cry. We're too hyped, and I'm gonna be so... In other words, Nintendo, see this panel right here? We should all be hired to be idea people for your next game. Right, yeah. But it's in a boardroom when there's equal to Tears of the Kingdom starts development. Now, hey, can I say what I hope it is? And I don't think it's necessarily dead. I feel like we're gonna have the same idea. Well, okay, well, again, in HMK, you just mentioned beating Elden Ring. Yeah, we're in the same page. Okay, good. So the co-op summon mechanic in that game is so much fun with friends. Like, I purposely go through a Souls game the first time completely solo, and then I'll do it a whole other new game plus run with summoning and friends. And so the mechanic is, is they're not just in your world for the entire thing. It's more of a you're in a new area leading to a boss, and you can summon them in for that section of the game.  Then you can hop into their world and repeat that same boss in their file if they haven't beaten it yet. Elden Ring, they did it a little bit different because it's an open world game, but the same core concept was applied where you're not co-opping the entire game together like Pokemon of Scarlet and Violet style, but you are able to bring another player into your world. Now the question really then becomes is how do you do that when Link is the main person? And then it's like, is that Link in Zelda or is that Link a 10,000 year old hero and then the current day Link or something and they're somehow time traveled into the same world? I don't know, but that's what I hope it is because I think that would add a lot of fun to the gameplay with friends. That's the first thing you could keep a Zelda game with the same core formula, but then take on bosses together and help each other out. And then you would have like an enemy, a damage basically, like the game would compensate because it's two players on one, they would legitimately be tougher to beat because you have two players instead of one. That's what I hope it is, but. You know what's crazy about that? Like Nintendo is like already one foot into that door for both online and offline application. Wolf Link, save your Link to an Amiibo and take it to someone else's house and then summon that Link in specific sections like you were talking about just like in Soulsborn's games. They're so close. They're so close yet they're so far away. Why? Nintendo's never gonna do this. They're gonna do something else. In the Soulsborn games, they're like phantoms, right? Like when you do, when you say you're P3P3, why don't they just bring back Shadow Link? There you go. And the theory is, yeah. And seriously, it's supposed to maybe be darker, right? Like, well, what if there were just like the occasional Shadow Links you see in different parts of the world and that's kind of like, it's basically, I mean, basically, yeah, take the mechanics straight out of like a Soulsborn game, which I don't even think is like too crazy for them to do because you look at Breath of the Wild, they took a lot of ideas from other open world games. So why can't they take more out of other games since then? Agreed. I think it would be really cool to if, I mean, it could even be something that's a mechanic that's unlocked further into the game, but like to your point, even if it's not another character, maybe it's like Link's arm ability can, you know, generate a second form, a figure. You know, if it's, if we're talking phantom, it could be like a green figure that it just looks like Link, but now you're playing co-op with a friend. I think that would be the biggest game changer for replayability too. And just like if you were each on your own adventure, but you could help out a buddy where they're at in their adventure and summon into their world, I would, I don't know, I'm all for it. That's what I was thinking. I was thinking like four swords where each of them has like a little different part. Oh man, making four swords relevant. What do you think it is? Anybody just think that that's not likely in that it's actually just a side mode because I could see there being like a total, like it's not a part of the main game at all, but there's an optional menu you can hop into from the, you know, main menu screen where it's like a co-op mode, like a four swords or like a, but it's only two players or maybe it is all four. If we're right, it's gonna be in the main game. If we're right, if not, it's just not gonna be in there. It's just gonna be cloud safe and that's what the mechanic is. Yeah, who thinks it's just cloud safe, but why would they have an NSO icon like that? Oh yeah, that's right. Mike, you felt trying to know that too. I'm gonna, the reason why I'm saying this is because right now, everything you guys are seeing on the hype, putting my hype level all the way to the roof. I didn't want it doesn't happen. I don't have a parachute. I'm like, well, all the way up there. We're overhyped. We're overhyped. But yeah, we just proved that it's cloud saves. Like for sure that it's not, that it's something more than cloud saves. Can we just, can we prove that? Does it have it now? The only thing I can say about the cloud save thing is that there isn't, for all the other ads. So I reached out to some people that had access to these ads in the Dutch retailers and they said that this isn't listed on every Switch exclusive game and most of the Switch exclusive games have cloud saves. So it's kind of interesting that this is one that is specifically there, which indicates there's something. We don't know what. And one idea brought up by Katsuni84. Thank you so much for the $5. I mentioned, I think Nintendo Online Mention is about DLC for the game being free on the online expansion. Oh, I keep forgetting they do that. Yeah, that's actually a really good idea. That's a solid point. That's a really interesting possibility. I mean, but they don't do that for all DLC. I kind of feel like, I mean, they did it for Mario Kart 8 and I feel like that would still do it. Yeah, and Animal Crossing. Like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 had that whole expansion pass outlined and it's a major game for them and they want to sell it first. I think they may throw that into the expansion pack later on, but they might want to make their 30 or 40 bucks, you know. Or what if it's just, Here's to the Kingdom, cloud version. No. Don't say that. Well, there's a cloud version to the Kingdom. That would suggest there's new hardware, but let's not go on that. Whoa, whoa, we'll talk about that later. At most, I really think it's something attributed to DLC or even that of save reading, like online bonuses. Like, hey, if you have NSO and you have Tears of the Kingdom, you get this bonus and then unlock the champion's tunic early in the game, he starts with it, but a lot of this earlier because more and more developers are starting to do that now or like, hey, if, like, you know. I don't think that's part of the game. Let me see. Yeah, okay. I don't know what. That's not part of the game. I'm not sure if it's, it is. I like how the aperture is like really turned up high so like, I can't see if I get the better details of that box. He's done this now with two different other podcasts. Well, for a moment, for a moment, I almost believed him for a moment, for a moment. Maybe in like March, I would be more willing to vial in. This is a side thought, but we're all gonna have to really do a good job of dodging all of the leaks that's gonna hit like it does for every Nintendo Switch game two weeks before this game comes out because people will be posting the ending online. That's scary times. I'm absorbing all of it. I'm not even ashamed, just kidding. That's completely fair valid, but like I've become so good at dodging spoilers, man. I've lived through Breath of the Wild. I've lived through Kingdom Hearts 3. I've lived through Melody of Memory, the Remind DLC, all this stuff, man. Like I didn't even know what the endings look like fell during it up until now. Like I just, I'm bunkering down to the Kingdom Desert. No, I waited for one. There will be like the, even when the game comes out day one, there will be the people that will put the final boss fight as their thumbnail. Yeah. Not even day one, day zero, like day negative one. They will do that. Thumbnails is the main thing that gets me because you can't look away fast enough and once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. And we do YouTube, so we can't get off YouTube. We've got to be here. Now I got the hyperlink set up that goes straight into my studio. So like the YouTube studio channel, like I go straight there. Like no homepage visits, no, nothing. Just like that's where like the straight analytics. As soon as like a whisper of there. Game has leaked. Oh, all righty then. Goodbye, homepage. Boom. Oh man. So does anyone else have any like interesting ideas on what this might be, the NSO thing? Or we kind of sell that as either a co-op mode or it's DLC? Or cloud safe. Or cloud. I don't want to call it co-op purse. I mean, it's what sort of co-op, but yeah. Yeah. Like some sort of like online integration when it comes to like, it's not really multiplayer or anything like that, but like they're able to integrate to other states. But I also think it's DLC or classic. That's what I'm leaning towards. You know, I trust, I would love like the multiplayer Dark Souls aspect to it, but I'm like, no on Nintendo. I'm like, yo, Nintendo, are you gonna do that? Does seem a little bit too good for a Nintendo. As far as- No, they've been very quiet. I'm just saying, they've been very quiet with this game for some reason. I don't know. Both ideas we talked about, I can kind of see. Like I can see them doing it. Maybe they add it as like DLC afterwards. Like it's part of like that wave one. It feels like wave one DLC kind of stuff, like remixing the gameplay, but it's not something you get in your initial playthrough. There should be something big that we're not even thinking about. Because if you really think about it, this is the longest mainline Zelda game has ever been in development. Granted, that's going through pandemic season, but still, this is also using the same base Hyrule from Breath of the Wild. No matter how much they change it, they already had a ton of the framework done for this game. Something's gotta be big that we're not even, that quote where our name was like, you will visit, don't worry, you will revisit the land of Hyrule and the skies and beyond, I'm like, that word, that one word got me really twisted. Like how beyond can we get? That's why that's probably the big, what are they working on thing? I'm confident in Nintendo. Like, cause like, my expectations were pretty high with Breath of the Wild throughout. And I was there since the beginning when they announced it. Like when I first went to E3 2016 and everything like that, but every expectation I've had for that game was like blown out of the water when I had my hands on it, right? So I'm completely confident that I'm gonna, I'm gonna relive that all over again for Tears of the Kingdom in new ways.  I'm like, I believe in that man. Like this, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. I have, I am not worried in the slightest. I just want to know more about the game. It's like- Well, and that's sort of a nice transition because the weirdest thing is that we're less than six months away. We know so little, which is just unusual for any Zelda game at this point. We usually know quite a bit already. And it's just sort of general marketing at this point. But honestly, we're still waiting for a blowout and what the hell they're actually going to show. Cause for some people, they still need to sell them the game. Like, you're getting in no matter what, but for others, they're kind of like, I just kind of looked at the same game. Oh, you're in the sky. That doesn't really mean much to me. You know, hey, we have those patents about shooting arrows at things while we're falling. Is that like a thing? How does that work? Is that even in the game? How is Hyrule any different? We don't have Sheikah towers. Is there a different way of quick travel? Or what are you replacing shrines with? Or are shrines back in a different way? And we have all these questions because like I watch a lot of Zelda theory videos. And one thing that bothers me when I watch a lot of these theory videos, and I'm not going to call anyone specifically, but a lot of them at like the things they've said in prior videos are now facts today. When we don't really know, cause there hasn't enough information to claim anything's a fact. And that's sort of the problem for me. Is that like, hey, is that actually getting into it? We really don't know anything about this game. Well, that's what I'm saying, but that's the thing. We don't, it could be somebody else we don't know. Ganondorf, man, like I understand what you're saying. We're like, like, oh, are we going to go to the past? Are we going to go to the future and stuff like that? Yeah, but that's Ganondorf. Like, come on, man, he's seen playing in the background. Like, come on, I feel like. Even like the figure on the wall, like some people think it's like Hyrule or whatever. And I'm like, maybe. Oh, you mean in the latest trailer? In the latest trailer, yeah. Yeah, like it could be Halea. It could be an interpretation of another tribe, how they see Halea or it could be another goddess. Like, there's the possibilities, but nothing's been confirmed. Well, they told us that the title of the game would spoil the game, but tears of the kingdom while it might be setting up, like the progression of you have to go collect the tears, whatever, it doesn't spoil that much. So like, what are, Exactly, I remember when that interview came out with Trin and I'm like, like, okay, it's going to be a spoiler. Like, okay, we're going to find out the name. And we found out the name. I'm like, I got none. Like, I got theories, but I got none. And I'm like, what was the spoiler? Is it going to be sad? People are going to be crying. Yeah, it's all the guys will cry. That's right. All I know is I want to sit here and we find out it's not Ganondorf. I'm just going to clap. No, man. No, that's not going to clap. And I'm going to move on. No, no, no, no. This is something I can bet my bomb dollar. Like, if it's not Ganondorf, where it's like, okay, it's Ganondorf shriveled up body, but then demise inhabits it, but not it's Ganondorf, bro, like red hair. We got the like the malice eyes that were used by Calamity Ganon. And what do you call the theme? His theme was playing in the background, the Gerudo like adornments in his jewelry and is what do you call that? Like a, like a robe or like, come on. Pretender to the ground. Pretender to the ground. They had to hide that body for a reason. That's part of the mystery. That's part of the tears. Tears of the kingdom. Yes. Ready, eat, and then up. So what? Oh, sorry. Oh, let's try the transition and do a sorry. I had a trigger. No, you're good. I had to give him another triggering. Um, I don't know. So let's try the transition. When do you guys think this blowout's happening? And more specifically, what do you think they're going to be? What's like the first thing they're going to explain about this game in the blowout that you feel like we need to know? I got all the dates. I got all, all the dates. Okay, all right, you're up. Listen, listen, Linda, listen, listen. Lin, whoa. Hey, Karen, let's calm down. Listen, listen. So February, February, Nintendo Direct, we're expecting one. We're only going to get some type of trailer. Um, he's going to come up on the screen and say, Hey, I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah. We are going to have a full blown tears of the kingdom, um, direct, right? March will be the direct in March, not February. March will be the full tears of the kingdom direct with, of course, uh, treehouse with gameplay. And I saw that they just, uh, retrade mark, uh, in December, they renewed the trademark for Nintendo minute. Um, so it looks like they're bringing back Nintendo minute. And this could be a, it could be reintegrated into the Nintendo Direct. So they can give us some gameplay in that full Nintendo Zelda direct. So my, I say it's March. I say, I say we'll get another trailer, some kind of trailer in February. But I say we get a full direct in March, April. We'll get the Mario movie may we get the Zelda, the new Zelda. Mike, like that, that timeline is perfect because like we get, we get the direct in February. We get the tears of the kingdom direct or blow our event or whatever in Nintendo Treehouse in March. Maybe early March, mid March. And then the first playable demo at the end of March at Pax East in Boston. What? Hmm. I'll be there. Pax East is happening at the end of March. They do that ahead of time.  I already got my Pax East ticket. And I'm like, bro, the last time I was at Pax was like 2020 and they had that gigantic Animal Crossing booth. Nintendo Canon will do it. Like, I'm going to go get my ticket right now. I'm telling you. So my theory is a little bit different than that. I think what they're going to do is I think that they're going to make it another. It's either going to be a show opener or closer at the February Direct. It's going to be a deeper look, probably like a three to five minute trailer, but we see for sure gameplay, not just like these quick cuts of him jumping and landing. And then you get a gameplay trailer. It's combat. Combat. We're going to get gameplay reveal. We're going to get some story stuff answered. They're probably going to show a little bit of whether or not Zelda is playable even, or maybe just give the dynamic, give a little bit of a deeper look at the dynamic with Lincoln Zelda and how this game looks. But I think that that's all they mentioned it at the February Direct. And then I think they just do a traditional, like how we've seen Nintendo market just about every game recently, which is that one direct trailer and then just a bunch of lead up launch trailer and overview trailer, you know, basically just tweeting them out day by day. We're just going to wake up to, oh, we got a new tears of the kingdom trailer as we get closer to May 12th when it finally launches. So I don't think we get a Zelda Direct because I think even though I would like a Zelda Direct, I don't, even though there's a lot of unanswered questions about the game, Zelda is kind of one of those protected franchises where gamers don't want to know too much about it either. Like they don't necessarily want to see a 30 minute blowout presentation, like Xenoblade style of, well, maybe you do HMK, but I mean, I mean, I, what, I just said I want the whole game spoil for me. So I'm good with whatever they want to tell me. That's fine too. But I do think that there's an element to the, just the surprise, but I do, I could see them doing, I don't think it's all the direct, but I could see them doing a separate treehouse 15 minute gameplay section with them talking about mechanics. Yeah, mostly gameplay mechanics and like combat stuff. That's what I want to like beef with life. If you want to be mum on the story, be my guest, but I need to see how mechanically and combat wise, this game is going to set itself apart from Breath of the Wild. Like that's what I've been itching. Like, like I don't need to hear anything about story. I don't even need to know what tears of the kingdom means. So it's like, bro, let me see Link swing a sword. Like, come on. Yeah. I mean, they need a game to show off a new hardware. So it might as well. Like here we go. Pull off what I'm like, we'll get, we'll get to the new hardware later. I know, I didn't, I did it for Nate. I know he was a little bit. Oh boy. I feel like something that should be pointed out. If we look at each mainline traditional Zella, they've always had like an E three where they get kind of showcased. This is the first time we're going to get a major Zelda without having an E three showcase. So it's a very unique situation. Like we don't really have a good precedent to see how Nintendo is going to want to market this Zelda. So I feel like we are spitballing, right? Like obviously there's going to be something, at least something, right? Like probably a February direct is going to be mentioned. I love the idea of a Zella direct. I love the idea of a tree house. I mean, I think we should get all of that. Like I just think they should market the crap out of it. Will they? I mean, that's obviously a tough call right now, especially like there's the other, I know you don't want to get to this topic yet, but I feel like it's relevant. There's the question of will there be new hardware? Now this new hardware, it could just be like a Zelda OLED. And if it's just a Zella OLED, then maybe they announced that two months beforehand and there you go. The same way they handled the Pokemon one and the Splatoon one. It could be as simple as that. But if there's new hardware, then maybe they got to put something out sooner. So like in my head, right? Like the earliest possible, we see something about this is like a week after Fire Emblem Engaged, like the very end of January, but that's the earliest possible. Like I think more likely we see like, the second or third week of February, we get a direct and then after that, I'm kind of, I'm split between it being a tree house or like a specific game direct. Cause I think you bring up a good point. Like some donation, like will they want to have a whole direct or they showcase everything? Or will a tree house that's kind of similar to what they did back at E3 2016 for Breath of the Wild where they just show us the Great Plateau for 30 minutes. Like that would kind of give us the answers that we would want from a direct anyway. Cause we don't want the story. We want a height trailer to tease the story. But yeah, just give us like 30 minutes of gameplay in a particular area that's early, just so we can see the mechanics. So either war. This guy. I do think to expand on that just real quickly that I do think we'll see Nintendo do a full marketing push this time. Or like, because if you just look at how they've been doing every Kirby or Fire Emblem or anything that's upcoming, you know, even like Metroid Dread, the push that that got, this is the most anticipated sequel to a Zelda game ever. And it's also going to be the best selling Zelda game ever more than likely with what Breath of the Wild accomplished. So I think that they go guns blazing on this thing. Like, I think we probably see multiple weeks of new trailer announcements. Main, you know, they'll do billboards and like Times Square. We'll see ads pop up all over the globe about, like I think they're going to go full blowout for this. But then yeah, the hardware thing is going to be an interesting conversation for later too, because gosh, if there was ever a time to do it and launch something new, even if it is just an OLED switch, I don't know why you wouldn't do one or the other right now with the kind of title that this is for Nintendo. So look, this is what's going to happen. I'm just going to lay down the law right now. Oh boy, oh boy, oh man. But I think it's a fairly safe one because I'm looking at how they marketed Breath of the Wild, which I know a little different. They're trying to sell a system along with it. We don't know if that's what they're going to try to do at this point. But I think they also saw how well that marketing work to drive hype for specifically Breath of the Wild, which outsold the switch at launch. That's how big the hype was for the game. It was bigger than the hype for the actual system. That's how big the hype was at launch. So here's what's going to happen. It's going to be about mid-February.  They're not going to want to own that launch and that's fine.  And they'll have other things showing off. Heck, maybe they announced a Mario game or something. I don't know. They'll have other things they show off and they'll end it or start it with Zelda. But either way, there will be a treehouse directly following it for about a 45 minute play-through of whatever the opening area of this game is just like they did with Breath of the Wild. Since we can't go hands-on and do it, they'll just treehouse it. Now they might end up going hands-on at the PAX events and stuff like that, obviously heading into launch. But the point is, at that point, it'll be the first time we get to see raw gameplay to sell people on the opening. And the big thing about this opening area, because obviously I think that this game might have a smidge of expectation from Nintendo that you've played the prior game. Yeah. I know that usually you don't do that with Zelda games. Almost every Zelda game is like, oh, no, no, no, no. You can stand on its own, even if it's a sequel. Absolutely. But there's still sometimes that understanding you played the prior and they sort of did that with Majora's Mask back in the day. Like, hey, you kind of know how to play. We're not going to teach you how to play. We'll teach you new mechanics of your transformations. You know how to control Link, right?  They sort of went with that expectation heading in with that game. And I think they're going to do that this time. So this opening area, while it'll be some sort of tutorial-like area, it's going to be something that's going to look so crazy and so out of this world. And it's just blow our minds so much because they spent so much time developing this game and they had so many crazy ideas that we're going to look at it and go, wait a second. This is just the beginning. That's... Yeah, I see it. Yep. Wait a second. All these trailers you showed us, right? Oh, oh, all that takes place in the first 10 minutes of the game. What is, what's happening right now? Well, this is, what is this? Because it'll be interesting. I think, I don't know how it'll end because I think they'll try to get through the opening area or almost get through all of it. Because, you know, it'll probably be either a prerecorded or potentially be a live treehouse. I don't know how they're going to do it, but I just kind of think like, they'll let fire them engage do its thing. I know some people think they'll talk about it in January and you know what, maybe they will. Marketing material is already going out to retailers. So maybe that's an indication that something's coming in early January potentially. And maybe they don't think it's going to hurt the sales of Fire Emblem because of two different audiences. I have no idea. Because they can drop a trailer anytime they want. They don't even need a direct, right? Like they, they put them in that time and time again. They just drop things whenever the hell they feel like it. But I just, I don't know. Like it kind of feels like they could do that. Obviously they could do a Zelda only direct. I don't know. I think a treehouse is more important than a direct. I think this is the game where, you know, just like with Breath of the Wild where the gameplay sells the game. So having a longer play through session, I think it makes sense. What I do want to know is what do you guys think about the idea of, because they don't have like a massive public event that the whole world will come to. Yeah, they have packs potentially to play the game. What about a potential demo for everyone to play? That would be awesome. You had more time to develop this game than any other Zelda. To download? Yo, data miners, man. Don't doubt the data miners, man. I would love that. Nintendo's have learned the hard way multiple times in the past. So I'm like, I don't know about a downloadable demo. As much as I love that, Nintendo's also done downloadable demos for recent games and all they did is they just said it's one part of the game and there's nothing else in the code. You can't get to anywhere else. But more usually that's games that are multiplayer that they need to do a little bit of like an online stress test. I don't, they didn't do it for Xenoblade. No, they didn't do it for Xenoblade. Or Bayonetta. Or Mario Rabbids, or Kirby. Yeah. Kirby got the one. I'm just throwing another. And don't get me wrong. Before, with Breath of the Wild, I prayed like every day that Nintendo would release like a playable demo of the Great Plateau. Because we, especially because it got pushed into 2017. But, you know. And not everyone got to play the Great Plateau multiple times in E3 that year. Right? I'm sorry. Oh man, that was amazing. I only have like 12 Zelda coins and 15 shirts. So, Nate, going back on your theory about the Treehouse, you were talking about the Treehouse at the February Direct or separated from the Pre-Direct? Like right after? It would be right after, like immediately after. They tell you during the Direct, stay tuned after for a 45 minute Nintendo Treehouse. Yo, I was screaming. By the way, they've already done this before for other games. So like, they've literally done this in other Directs. So. What if they announced a Mario game? Do you think they would still do the Treehouse Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Mario game would be announced first. That's probably a holiday game. So they got they got lots of time to market that E3 and on. Yeah, they can show. Literally, you just tell you what their E3 will be themed if there's a Mario game announced. It's going to be a Mario game. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Unless it's a 2D Mario, then maybe not. I don't know. I want to Bowser's Fury part two.  That would be nice. Yeah, that's the talking about beta test. That's what that felt like. It felt like a beta test for open zone Mario. Right. Why don't you be like the Wii U Zelda tech demo and just never becomes an actual full game. Could be that too. That's the whole point of the beta test is they're just throwing paint at all. Just had to rip HMK's heart out one more time.  Like when we think back to Breath of the Wild, they had a little bit of cross promotion for Xenoblade 2 with. Rex's outfit. Yeah, it's like, it wouldn't shock me if we saw a little bit of cross promotion for other things. Like it might, maybe it goes the other way around. Like we were talking about how like it would be weird if they were to talk about Tears of the Kingdom before Fire Emblem. But what if like there is like some sort of like Zelda outfit or character that was added as a character in the DLC finally engaged just to kind of like get some Zelda fans and they pick up on Fire Emblem while we wait for Tears of the Kingdom. I'm not saying it's likely, it's just kind of like an idea I'm throwing out there. Yeah, I can see them do potentially. Sure. Sure. Man, maybe we could talk about Tears of the Kingdom before I was going to be like, oh, do you think I think Breakable Items will be back? Just because we haven't seen that yet. Yeah, I think so. I mean, cooking and. I'm more impressed with the chemistry in this group right now right now. The people, the group that we have here right now, the back and forth conversation, it's working out pretty well. And something that Nate said in the beginning should probably be a thing. You know, we could call it the six pack and get together. The six pack. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. The six pack. I bring the tag. Nate and I got the pounds. Six pack and a pound? Six pack and a pound, oh God. Six pack, yeah. This guy's the group. Yeah. Oh, it's cool like that. I like the idea of Treehouse. The first 10 minutes of them explaining kind of what the new powers are. Because we've seen them kind of a hint of them in the trailers and things like that. Where they kind of go over the powers and stuff like that that you get in the new ones. They conveniently leave out one to just kind of leave it as a teaser going into the game. But you know, go over the other ones and then kind of 20 minutes of the first gameplay. So like a half hour Treehouse type thing. They spend like the first 10 minutes going over like new powers and everything like that maybe a little bit of combat. And then they kind of go into the beginning like demo area type thing.  And I guess when it turns into like a dragon and shoots fire and stuff that these are sort of the replacements for what the Sheikah Slate was doing. And I get that because we had those four core abilities that just kind of got expanded. And it turns out with physics and everything, you do all this crazy stuff with it, which was awesome. But I wonder if the arm is gonna be more, more like maybe a traditional Zelda where it's an everything item and you unlock abilities for it in dungeons and there's more than four. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that idea. Especially cause it feels like it might have like memories, right? And maybe what happens is you go to dungeons that are kind of like, you know, modern versions of like maybe the fire temple or the forest temple and they're uncovered from the initial like sort of Gan Dorf Resurrection earthquake, you explore those dungeons and then it has a memory of, oh, this was the Megaton hammer. This was the hookshot. Maybe memories of links from the past.  Yes, yes. I love it.   And I'm like, God, I need this game now. Like bro. Yep. How do you guys think they can bring back some of the traditional items and like the traditional dungeon formula where you find an item and maybe it's an arm? How can they do that and still keep it truly open world where you could go to the eighth dungeon first? You know what I mean? Like, I guess it's the honest question. I don't know how they would pull it off. Like I feel the only item and like I get it, you guys, like everyone watching and everyone online is like, I know it's a popular pick. I feel like the only item that can break that flow completely is the hookshot. That's why I feel the hookshot is not coming back in terms of the key. Oh, we have to have it back. No, we don't. We don't have that. They wanted to put it in Breath of the Wild. Don't tell me I can't have it. You know why it's not in Breath of the Wild? Because it broke the game. It broke the game. Oh, you're climbing the rain. You want a bath? You can give it a little bit. He's like, how about like a really good range? Like maybe it's just like it only goes like 10 feet or something. Right, there was something. There was something mentioned in one of the patents about the hookshot thing, that little. Yeah. It would be like faster climbing, right? Or maybe you can use a little bit like Spider-Man. Like if you're falling, you can use it last real quick, which would be really cool. But, you know, it wouldn't change the game. It would just speed up the game kind of like Revali's Gale. Like, OK, now I can climb faster. Or if I fall, I could just fly back up. Maybe they gimp the hookshot enough towards just basically just something that kind of speeds up your movement, as opposed to, you know, just breaking everything. Right. And then we also have to entertain the idea that, yeah, Breath of the Wild did it. Yeah, A Link Between Worlds did it. But, you know, I wouldn't hate it if Tears of the Kingdom had a little bit, not completely, but a little bit of linearity to it in terms of like, oh, you know, we can't get to Dungeon 5 unless we at least beat Dungeon 2. Groups. Right. Yeah, I grew up, yeah, grouping Dungeons and whatnot. Like, think, like, our free time kind of did it, right? Firstly, Dungeons, they're a group. Maybe you could, you had to do it as an order.  And then, you know, Shadow Spirit. Like, they could maybe do, like, three or four groups of two or three Dungeons. And that way, you still have a certain degree of openness. But there's still, like, a linear story that kind of complements it. It's funny because I remember back in the day when I was a kid, I'm like, man, do I really have to do, like, forest, fire, water, then Shadow of the Down? And I went out here, like, breaking the game. And I'm like, OK, man, like, nah, I'm all right. I got the bow, but I did not beat the forest Dungeon.  And then I quickly find out where, like, Sheik, a peering and cockroach village, was a progression check. And I'm like, ah, you smart Nintendo, because there's no way I can get into the Shadow of the Down, unless I get the, you know, Nocturnal Shadow. Ah, I get you, right? And I'm like, OK, so I can't get the Shadow of the Down before I do this, that, or that. So, like, they could do something like that, where they just, like, have very specific progression checks.   But at the, but, you know, in order to get to Dungeon 1, you got to go here, Dungeon 2, you got to go here. And then, like, that could really be, like, you, like, this is the game trying to get you to figure out how to tackle Dungeons in different, like, orders or different, you know, strategies. Like, hey, you can do Dungeon 7 right now, but if you do Dungeon 3, you know, you get this and that could help you out. So, I don't know, Nintendo's done it before, and they've been really smart about it. And then other games have done it before, and they could just literally rip a page out of that or whatever. So, you know. Pokemon did a pretty good job, I think, too. Like, it's, they gave you, what, three basic main quests to kind of do in an open fashion. I like that. I really like that. But then, like, when I found out that, like, I really hoped and thought that, like, hey, maybe Pokemon's gonna do, like, world-scaling, depending on the badges, like, the badges you get. Yeah, that was a missed opportunity. It's such a missed opportunity, man.  Yeah, maybe I want to do the psychic gym first. It's like, nah, this thing is, like, level 52. So, unless you've got 52 Pokemon, like, you know, it's gonna bob you. But it is what it is. I mean, Breath of the Wild did world-scaling. Defeat this many divine beasts, and then you'll see a lot more silver moblins. So, whatever. Yeah, it was, I don't know, a lot of fun talk here. Maybe we'll stop the cheers that came in Todd there, because we've got a lot more cheers that we can have conversations coming in the future. And I'm sure we'll get the six pack back together for those conversations coming up. We know what's happening. Speaking of the conversation in the six pack, you know, I hate, hate, hate to do this, but I actually do, I do have to be out. That's okay. I gotta dip, like, it's been super fun. I wish I could stay, but like, I gotta go. You are totally fine, man. Thank you so much for joining us today, man. I'll be back. I'll be back. Thank you so much for having me. All right, peace out, guys. Later, buddy. All right. Next time we'll get the t-shirts, six pack t-shirts. Here we go, because made. Let's do it. Well, the six pack t-shirts, that's great. All right, so let's get into the next topic we got going on here, because, you know, there's potentially new hardware coming, maybe not. I don't know. We know Nintendo is making hardware. They have publicly stated they're working on new hardware at their investors meetings, but yeah, they just kind of leave it as that bag. Hey, we're always working on new hardware. So of course we're working on new hardware. The difference, of course, now is that they don't say they're in the middle of the Switch's life cycle anymore. At least they haven't set it for all of 2022. So there is that. Obviously we had all the Switch Pro rumors last couple of years, honestly, dating back to almost before the Switch came out to be completely fair, but we've had these rumors go out for a long time about a more powerful Switch coming. And Digital Foundries, John Linneman made a statement during their Digital Foundry weekly direct, where it seems to be leading people in different directions. I don't mind it's a bit of a nothing burger, but let's read the exact quotes. I made sure to go and watch the whole podcast too, just to understand everything going into it and everything they said afterwards, just for full context. Sometimes you get a quote and it could be, you're missing an hour's worth of context for that quote. Well, there really isn't any missing context for the quote. So it said, so I think at one point internally from what I can understand from talking to different developers is that there was some sort of mid-generation Switch update planned at one point and that seems to be no longer happening. And thus it's pretty clear that whatever they do next is going to be actual next generation hardware. I'm gonna invite Mike to come up and talk for us. I know that he thinks this is a big nothing burger and I'd like him to explain why, hopefully not in 21 minutes. Well, let's have Mike go first. I'll go in two minutes, two minutes. Anyway, I think, first thing, what we have here is one person giving their opinion about he said, she said, they said, I think. He started by saying, I think there's no reassurance of what he's saying. First thing he's not Nintendo. Let's get that out of the way.  They're never gonna say that first. We'll never know that. If that was the case, we'll never know. But then again, we have a person saying, oh, I think I heard, I think there was this because I heard it from some developers at some point. So for all, you know, he could be talking about the Switch OLED because maybe the Switch OLED would have been that more powerful console, but because of the chip craziness, they were forced to just give us an OLED because why don't we have a dead dock with a chip that, you know, an upgraded, you know, we can't get upgrades on that. It's upgraded, but we don't get it. And then we have a Switch OLED. They were forced to give us a Switch OLED as an intermediate upgrade, just because they weren't able to give us that Switch. So maybe he could be telling the truth that he heard it from this developer. And maybe the developers spoke the truth. Yeah, they were working on a Switch. It was supposed to be more powerful, but that was canceled. They were forced to just give us a Switch OLED and then move on. You know, if that was the case, then I would say, okay, then that makes a good thing. And then maybe this was supposed to be the Switch OLED and they're gonna move on to the next-gen console rather than just give us a Switch. Another generation of Switch, because we're approaching seven years and I think it's time for another console instead of another, because if they give us another generation of a Switch, then that'll push it. They have all, they need to push it even further because if this next-gen Switch or this next iteration plays games in 4K, has a little bit more power to it, then hey, there's no excuse for them releasing another next-gen console in 2025 or in 2026. I don't think it's gonna get that far off. So what I believe is that, first thing, this is an opinion, it's just an opinion-based article. There's no real fact to it. He spoke to somebody and he thinks that's what he understands. It's not that he knows this is gonna happen and he heard it from a person directly from Nintendo. We have our insiders who hear it from people in Nintendo and then we have our insiders who hear it from developers that are working on games on Nintendo, which they themselves don't have all the information to begin with. Nintendo is not gonna give, it's not gonna spill their beans with them. They're guarded. So that's why I made that 20-minute video. I was like, no, no, Nintendo's not canceled. It's not canceled. First thing, because it was never announced, so there's nothing to be canceled that was never announced. You can't cancel something that's not announced. That was never a tangible thing, you know? If there was a switch, I believe it could have been the switchable. There's a lot of interpretations for it. And that's what I did in the video. I just gave all the many interpretations I could on it. And I said like, the switch for the switch for it is not canceled. But the real reason is because it was never announced. They're letting it cancel, you know?  And that's one of those things is because it was never an announced thing publicly anyways. I mean, the whole headlines everywhere about this quote is that it was an internal cancellation, which absolutely those happen. There's an internal cancellations all the time. You never heard Nintendo publicly announce the Wii Vitality Sensor's not coming out. They never said anything about it publicly. They showed it publicly. They said it was coming. And then they just stopped talking about it. It may still come to the rug. It's gonna be an accessory for our phones. So yeah, look, I got in a few debates with a couple other content creators over this because, you know, they're like, well, the developer said, I'm like, did you read what he said? He just said he talked to some developers and the only thing that's like news in there was at least to me, oh, it existed at one point. That was okay, cool. It's like we sort of already knew this from other people who talked about developers. So this isn't new information. And then he said, you know, it seems like, well, seems like to me means the developers in telements canceled. They don't know. They just feel like, oh, Nintendo's not communicating about it anymore. So now we're, it's probably canceled. We have no idea. They're getting on the phone and telling us, hey, that system we sent you guys two years ago or whatever. Yeah, we're not releasing that. They didn't sell it. Nintendo has ever actually said anything about it. And I do know from developer friends, I have that some dev units for systems do go out that end up, those systems end up never coming out. That is the thing that happens once in a while. Obviously this is a unique situation with the pandemic. I know a lot of people theorize that the old lab was supposed to be it. And there's the biggest evidence of all is the fact that the doc has the ability to update with a HDMI port that's capable of outputting 4K, even though it doesn't do that right now. Some people speculated that maybe that's just because that part's cheaper now because they were using older parts. And that could be an explanation, but what's not, doesn't make sense is why the doc can update. Like what was it? It's just, it's an interface. What's it needed an update for? Well, and by the way, they haven't actually updated it since. So it could just be one of those lost features that was originally for new hardware that we didn't get. But it does raise obviously a question because we are entering year seven of something happening. And I wanna mention that we do know that we now have even more updated evidence that something new is coming. I don't know when, because a new patent got published about Nintendo working on VR headsets and not the kind that you slide your switch into. Stand-alone VR headsets that either connect wired or wirelessly to a console hooked up to a TV and can even involve people using their phones with AR. And you can have up to two of these headsets connected to your game console. And when you go through the whole patent, it's very obvious this game console, which isn't detailed very much, is significantly more powerful than what we have now, which makes sense because the switch is not powering too separate. Like headsets can barely handle the Nintendo lab over on this. So it's, so like, clearly this would be some new technology. And I'm assuming these headsets would be optional accessories like PlayStation VR2 coming out. So that's just further evidence. There's clearly something coming, even if the VR stuff never comes out. Although, I mean, with lab O happening and VR getting a little bit more popular, I could, I almost kind of think maybe these, I mean, these patents are really well detailed. I definitely think- You're wireless? Wireless? Yeah, wired or wireless. It mentions both in there. So like- Oh, okay. VR2 is wired, right? The VR2 for PlayStation is wired. Yeah. It itself is pretty, you know, on the PlayStation 5, which is pretty powerful. So I bet if they are actually thinking of implementing that into the next Nintendo console, it has to be a well, you know, a leap from the switch. And then that actually begs the question, are they keeping it as a hybrid console or were they just, you know, offer a light version for those light users who, you know, but then have one that's just permanently docked? You know, that's, it's undockable, so. If they go away from the hybrid idea, that would be a bad, bad, bad, bad mistake. Agreed. Yeah. They could theoretically just put some extra power within the dock itself and then the VR goggles would plug great into the dock. External. You could still, you could still then, you know, have your switch model where you could take it and go. Bring back the old supplemental computing device, Pat, and everyone bringing it back around. Bring it around. The USB-C port on the Switch does not have Thunderbolt capability, but let's just pretend it's fast enough to pull this off. Well, that's what the new, that's what the new system's for. I suppose. Yeah. The new system could have it. The new system could have it. Well, with the Switch, it has to support it first. Yeah. You could stick a GPU in that dock, but the speed isn't fast enough with the information to do it. I also want to throw this out there. Go on. Real quick, sorry. I did in a previous podcast call that the next switch would be Switch 2 VR. Nice. You did. I did say it. So this could be, you know, they could be adding the VR stuff. So, I mean, it'd be a great name, Switch 2 VR.  We would like to play. This is a Wii for you, except that one. That one. That one fell. I'm marketing them to go so much. They go all Switch 2. How about Switch VR? The what? Switch VR. Switch VR. Nintendo Switch VR. Are you going all in on this whole VR concept, Mike? I am. I am. I'm excited for it. By the way, this patent made it very clear it's an accessory. It's not like it's sold separately. Yeah. Some of you guys didn't know that VR is very blind friendly. It's very accessible. Like I love, you know, I'm legally blind. I can't really see anything. So VR is very blind friendly. First thing you have it right in front of you. So there's no getting away from it, right?  So it's very blind friendly. So that's why they do that. I'm on board. I'm on board. That'll be the most accessible thing to those that were done. And you can't even adjust the font size on the Switch. Andre, what were you going to say? Because I know you were trying to say. And then I want to hear what you were going to say and then I also want to share why I think it's the Littiman thing is maybe not as much of a nothing burger, but different. Ooh, here we go. I love opposing viewpoints. Let's go. There's a lot that I want to talk about, but I'll just keep it concise for now. What I was going to say, I want to think if they're going to do a VR thing, it absolutely has to be something separate, like maybe two different skews maybe, or something like Sony did it, if they even go in that direction, maybe something would come out afterwards. But I do think that they can pull it off. I mean, obviously, Nintendo has already been dabbling with it, right? Like Label VR, for example. And that's when it wasn't even like, the system wasn't even built for it. They just kind of came up with that idea. And made it work. You look at how the Switch is, beyond the Switch mechanic itself, I would say one of its biggest innovations is how flexible Nintendo has been able to be with this hardware to do different things. Like you look at, obviously, all the Label stuff is just mind-blowing, right? You look at Ring Fit Adventure and then the Label VR stuff. Like there's so much other things they were able to do with the Switch thanks to like the Joy-Con mechanics and how it attaches to the Switch. The next leap for Switch, Switch 2, I imagine they'll double down on those abilities. And there'll be a whole bunch of other like different peripherals they can add or accessories that will work even better. And if they kind of build a Switch in mind for a VR kind of setup, it could be more legitimate. Like I see that happening. I don't know if that'll be like the Switch 2 itself, but I could see it being a major component. Absolutely. Some, bro, what was your opposing viewpoint to me? I gotta put you side by side with Mike. What's this opposing viewpoint? Let's go. All right, I got you. Well, so first of all, just real quick. The beef is against me? No, no, that's not beef. Yeah, that's right. We're starting the beef. We're down to the five packs. So the beef comes out now. So we're gonna go with the beef. H&K was the glue on this cast. All right, anyways, let's go. No, well, first on the VR thing, I think Nintendo does get into VR. I think it's definitely gonna happen. But I think that that patent, whatever we're looking at is probably way further off. And it probably launches as an optional accessory to the next gen successor, like similar to what we see PlayStation do right now. And maybe that's how they break off and do like their handheld, you know, now it's a VR and a home console that can go portable. Like maybe it's that. That's really my main thought on the VR. But why I think that the Lineman thing was a little bit interesting is not, it's not around like, oh, they might just very well just be like, okay, yeah, we were wrong about any Switch 2, or Switch Pro talk. We know we're gonna be wrong about it now. So let's just come out and kind of backtrack. Yes, it's absolutely possible that it's that. The big thing that got me kind of interested in the Switch Pro rumors was whenever Takahashi Mochizuki was out there legitimately publishing articles in Bloomberg, saying that he talked to 11 different developers that had 4K capable dev kits. And that was the big claim. And that was all happening before the OLED got announced. They said they would have, they got manufacturers, there was a surface style kickstand on it. It was a seven inch OLED display. Everything was right about that stuff, except for the 4K. So, right, so then the question becomes is this actually developers did have 4K dev kits at one point, and then Nintendo's like, we need the games ready by 4K 2023 or 2022, whatever the date is. And then at some point they're communicated, that's not our priority anymore. Just those dev kits put them on the shelf. Like is that the information he got that basically the OLED was supposed to be the true revision, but it didn't happen and because of the chip shortage and everything going on in the world. And then because of that, whatever is next is now just a true successor that hopefully has backwards compatibility. But I think of that, like how are you being that specific at a journalist organization like Bloomberg and a name behind the face, Takahashi Mochizuki saying 11 different developers and then name dropping Zenga as one of them who's releasing Star Wars Hunters. That really got my interest on it. So I was like, maybe that's the scenario and what they're referencing here. And it does sound like speculation on his part, but it also sounds like it's coming from conversations with developers. I know what happened. What happened? Here's the thing, Takahashi Mochizuki claimed that he had sources in manufacturing and he had developer sources. And what he did is he conflated the two as being the same system. So the seven inch OLED, the kickstand, the ethernet port, that was all coming from manufacturing. Like that was fact-based, straight off the assembly line, sort of details. The 4K, developers are working on this stuff. That came from developers with dev kits, not from that. And he just assumed it was the same platform. And it just turned out that it's not the same platform. At least maybe it was supposed to be at one point, but it's not. And speaking of the hardware quick, I just want to get this other super chat head from my taker success. Because he said, the next console has to be a hit or it's tears in Kyoto. I thought that was quite clever. That's a solid line. So look, we obviously, none of us know, none of us work on Nintendo. We don't know what's coming. We obviously know we're entering year seven. It feels like it's time. Sales are slowly, I guess, we're milling down. I mean, 19 million is still a lot. Game sales are still incredible. Pokemon just had records. So the real question, I suppose, is, what do you guys think is going to happen if anything next year? Because, I mean, next year is the seventh year. And we have a Zelda game coming out. And last time we launched a Zelda game and it was like a year or two away from the next system coming out, it kind of maybe hurt the sales a little bit because they didn't have such a long runway. I don't know. Like, what are you guys thinking? Yeah. I wanted to actually ask you guys a question first. Like, why do you think people keep saying 2024? Like, what is it about 2024 that makes more sense than 2023? I think it's the sales and just like the continued success. Like, it's not dropping off of a cliff. Like we kind of saw the we do. And it also, I think just people, I think a lot of people hung on to that investor statement saying that we're in the middle of the Switch's lifecycle but really people are not taking into account the fact that it still sells and gets price cuts alongside of whatever's next. Like, I think it's a lot of that mindset. Like, no, it's too soon. What do you mean 2023? That's way too early. It's not that it is. It's actually like Nintendo will like historically it's five to six years. They're ready to pump out a new console. Yeah. Plus there's an old quote where Nintendo said like a long time ago, they wanted the Switch generation to last seven to 10 years. So we're just entering seven, which means that's the latter half, but it also means well, there could potentially be three more years. I mean, most of it's just sales. Like 19 million is still a lot. That's peak years for most systems. And we're talking about that being on a downswing. You know, chances are the Switch is gonna sell another 15 million in the next fiscal year if they don't release anything else. And there's still such a strong lineup. And I think what people aren't used to is having such a strong lineup late in the system's life because Nintendo is usually abandoning the system by now, focusing on the next, but this is also the first time. People don't realize this because the Game Boy came out shortly after the Nintendo Entertainment System. This is the first time, since like the very beginning of the NES days, that all of their developers are making games for one platform, which is why they still have so many games coming out. And Eric's looking at me all funky. They have had a handheld and home console riding alongside each other all the way until 3DS was discontinued.  Look at all, they had 12 exclusive games dropped this year. Now the sports story came up. 12, imagine any other system saying I have 12 exclusive games coming out in a year. And we're not just talking all indie titles. We're talking like some major stuff, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Game of the Year type of stuff, award-winning games, Bayonetta 3, you know, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, best-selling Kirby game of all time. Just banger after banger pretty much all year long, even when we were going to like the second tier of games, like Triangle Strategy, still a banger, Mario plus Travis Sparks of Hope, another banger, like every game that came out was like really, really damn good this last year for Switch, all of them scoring in the 80s, barring, I mean, a certain Pokemon game. I don't know if we're going to dive too deep into that, but another Pokemon game scored in the 80s. So there is that. I do want to say this. I totally agree with you, like the year's been great. They have consistent content. This is the best software output we've ever seen from Nintendo, but I still feel like Nintendo's holding back. Like, that's what I- I think I can answer that for them. Okay, I can answer that. And I made this point in the 21 minutes. I'm going to keep calling it the 21 minutes. It's only the longest videos I've ever seen you made that wasn't a last year. I think it's the longest, one topic video I've ever made. And I didn't realize it went down that long, but I didn't want to cut anything out, because I- Yeah, you mentioned at the beginning, this is going to be a long video, then I looked at the time like, what is this, 21 minutes? I think that because I saw the length right at the end of the, oh, this is long video. So I just added at the beginning, because look, everything I'm saying in this video is very important, hopefully it, you know, but it worked on people and people enjoyed the video, but this is what I feel like it's a different with Nintendo this year. This is the, and this is what Nate mentioned a while back. This is not the Nintendo from previous presidents. You know, this is a different Nintendo with a different president. And we've compared this president a lot to the president for Apple, right? When Steve Jobs was in, he was an innovator. He liked to really drastically change things and bring you new devices like the first iPhone, the first iPad, the first app, just innovate and bring you, it doesn't matter if it failed or not. He wanted to innovate and bring you something like right away. When Tim Cook took power, he is a money person. He is a strategic person. He makes smart choices for tomorrow, not for, you know, so that's why we started getting implement upgrades. And then because of his strategy, you know, we turned Apple into the first trillion dollar company, now two trillion dollar company. So there, his mindset is, you know what? I wanna make sure that any move that I make is productive for the company financially, right? So this, Furukawa is also a business man. He's not a creative person. He's just a business man who's thinking about the same way. That's why we've got so many iterations of the Switch, you know, back to back like 3D, 3DS, all that stuff. But this is what's happening. We're getting iterations of the Switch because he is looking for a safe way to transition. So the reason why we have all these games that are coming out and they're so great and there is no fear that these games coming out will affect the sales of the Switch or the next consoles because of backwards compatibility. And I think that's gonna be a big, huge thing moving forward for the Switch. And what Nintendo's gonna do moving forward is they're gonna make sure before anything, they're gonna cement that to let all the Switch owners, no, look, listen, we are about to transition, but don't worry, we have you covered. Backwards compatibility is the thing for the Switch. It's gonna happen where you don't have to worry about your earn money, your games are gonna be there. If you decide to upgrade, you can upgrade, get a better experience, get better quality. They'll probably release Breath of the Wild deluxe, you know, it's a joke, you know. But give you extra things with that new console just to entice you to bring you over. And then for the couple of first, couple, two, three years, dual releases, and then slowly fade away with the Switch. But that is something that a person that is business-wise would do. They would make sure, like he said, right now we have 250 million, the last count, 250 million accounts. That's insane. And then that went from 115, the previous shareholder meeting that he stated and he's looking for a good way transition to make sure that he protects his accounts and that, you know, the transition is good. It made me think so much of the Apple CEO because, you know, iteration of a console is a safe way to not alienate the ones who are still holding onto the, like you still have the OG Switch. Have you felt alienated in any way by the OLED or by any other console that has been released for the Nintendo? After that, you still have your OG and you still feel safe enough to keep it, you know? That's strategic that he's doing that to make sure that, okay, you have your OG. We got the Switch here OLED. If you want it, you want it. If not, don't worry, you're not gonna miss out, you know? So that's what's gonna happen moving forward when it comes to a next-gen console. He's gonna look for a way to transition into that without making those who have a Switch feel alienated or rushed or pushed to purchase it.  So I've been successful.  And to some extent that's true for sure. But I think all companies kind of copy each other when there's a good idea, right? And I think this is a scenario where Nintendo's just straight up copy Sony. I think they should be very clear cut about their naming, Switch 2. That way people get it. Don't call it Switch U. And then people are like, oh, well, I already got a Switch. I don't need to Switch U. Like no, just call it Switch 2, make it clear. People know. When there's a PS6, people are gonna know. When there's a PS7, people are gonna know. And maybe release it at a point where people are like, oh, it's too soon, PS4 is still selling. Well, yeah, but your PS4 is still gonna be relevant for three to four years. But if you want a PS5, you can do that. And that is kind of why I've been more talking about 2023, because yes, sales are still good for Switch. But I don't think Nintendo wants to wait until sales to start going downwards. I think they want to beat it to the chase. They want to maintain the momentum. They never want to see that dip. So let's say they wait till 2024. What happens if we only get 15 million systems sold? Yeah, I mean, 15 million is still pretty good, but that's less than every other year by a significant percentage. Does Nintendo want to do that? I feel like they want to not let that happen. So when I see like Tears of the Kingdom coming out, a game that has had the longest gap between any other major Zelda ever, and Nintendo has this pretty good history of using Zelda push systems, are they gonna really skip Tears of the Kingdom? Because there's not gonna be another Tears of the Kingdom for another five to six years, probably. And then you factor in, there's a good chance we get a Mario game in 2023, because it's a Mario movie. Are they gonna skip that too? So when I think about these different things, that's why I'm more leading towards 2023 than 2024. Even though I see a lot of people saying, oh, 2024, 2024 sales aren't dipping, but I don't think Nintendo wants to let that dip happen. So that's why I've always more side towards 2023, but you never really know. Yeah, you're right, because if sales dip, guess what, the stocks also go down and shareholders are gonna be upset. They wanna make sure they maintain a steady course for shareholders to keep them happy as well. That's why they're having all these meetings, but shareholders just to keep them, hey, we're working though, are you okay? The new president too, also said that he didn't wanna continue the old ways with the drop-off, the drop-off. Yeah, exactly. So there's also that. I really feel like, like Andre, you kind of hit it on the head. It is legitimately smart. If you just look at it from a business standpoint and you think that Nintendo's gonna follow the numbers to double down on the Switch branding, because I think the worst thing they could do is sell right now with the continued success of the current model that's being sold since March of 2017, and it's still selling as well as it is. The biggest mistake would be to totally rebrand and start over when you have something that's such a smash hit success that every kid knows the name of and every adult knows the name of. I mean, this is just a runaway success console. So if they were strategic, they will name it Switch 2. I do think that we will have our answer to 2023 new hardware personally, whether or not it launches with Tears of the Kingdom, because I don't see it coming out in 2023 if it's not launched alongside of Tears of the Kingdom. Maybe it's a holiday launch and it's tied to a 3D Mario. That would be another way they could go. Yeah. But I think that's a long shot. I think if you're gonna launch a Zelda and a Mario, like Mario is going to sell incredibly well, even 3D Mario, like over the course of years, but I think they know they have the hardcore fan base with Zelda. I got the solution. Yeah, what's the solution? So they launch it with Mario, but they decide, all right, everyone loves Tears of the Kingdom, right? Well, now we're gonna advertise 4K and we're packing it in with every new console purchase. So you get Zelda with the new system in 4K. But do they do that? Are you predicting? Are you predicting the Mario is a holiday bundle? Yeah, be the holiday bundle. But then they're advertising, this is how you also play Tears of the Kingdom in 4K. Yeah. Yeah. They could do it. They could just make me angry, though. If they had it close to ready enough to go and they decided to do it all the time. They were just waiting, yeah. I couldn't do this at launch. Yeah, right, yeah. I had to buy the game again, ish.  Yeah. There's ways to do cross-generational stuff and I mean, Miyamoto's comments recently about how it's easier to get games to run from any time period.  They have another potentially 10 years of success with this form factor and then they'll probably start to integrate things like VR and then they'll get into some kind of wild, wacky idea like Nintendo does to reinvent themselves. But I think that they stick with this for 10 years plus just with more powerful iterations of it. So nobody's on the 2027 bandwagon for Switch 2. What? The next held again. Dear guy, hold on. Nobody's on that. Oh, Lord. I really brought that up, Sombro, because that made me think of how easy Nintendo's getting rid of the Wii U and 3DS eShops, you know? Because if it's so easy to bring back all these games into a certain console, what if that's another selling point where you're just logging into that console, you have your account and all your 3DS games are there and also all your Wii U games are there, the ones you purchased before. You don't have to buy another, you know? What if they separate the eShop purchases from this next console? What's the riot gonna look like on the line? You know, nothing works. After all these releases, man, I've never spent more money in my life on a console than Switch, you know? So I have to have. And then they take it offline by 2027. No, that's, no. No, I really don't. I sure hope that they don't do that. And I sure hope that they do lean into backwards compatibility because they, I mean, even prior to like Wii U to Switch, obviously that was like a big restarting for them.  I mean, so it's not out of the realm of possibility for them to kind of continue that train. And they need to do it with the Switch. With the kind of library they've built out with the Switch, it would be, I mean, just a complete devastation to leave that library to die on that console. What if? What if? This is, this is, this is what it's gonna make people upset, but what if the Nintendo's charging us already to play online, just to play online, what if you have to have the membership in order to access that feature of backwards compatibility? Oh, that would be a controversial one, but it would probably secure a lot of subscriptions. I don't think they should do that, but I do, I could, I can see them continuing to make that NSO plus expansion pack or plus whatever they add onto the feature. They need three, four K upgrades for Nintendo members. Yeah, yeah. And backwards compatibility, just add like the little accent there. Backward, you have access to all your previous purchase games from other consoles. Multiple tiers, and I think they keep expanding out their online content. I think every company right now, once a digital subscription revenue business, whether people love it or hate it, it's gonna be here to stay. Yeah, and you know, I made this point before, but some people are kind of worried that Nintendo won't kind of carry over most of their online content already, but I think the fact that we're already paying for it is a really good incentive for them to kind of keep it up. You go back to the previous generations, we didn't pay for a dime, right? So like they had no reason to carry over virtual console or anything like that, but now since we're paying for it, they have a reason to, they'll lose their subscriptions. Yeah, imagine the cancellation rate if it doesn't work together, so that's a good point. Yeah. That gives me hope. Well, and they went out of their way in the investors meeting to talk about how their Nintendo account technology is forward compatible. I mean, that's a selling point for them on their investors because they know they have a big chunk of their revenue figured out every single year. It's not like they're like figuring it out. Oh, maybe subscriptions will go up or down. I'm sure they have projections for that, but when you only have the expansion pack locked behind a one-time annual price point, like they have that money guaranteed for 12 months every year, and then they're going to look at their renewals and levers they can pull to get people to continue to resubscribe. I think that's a huge chunk of their business now. I don't know how much it makes up, but it's a lot of revenue for them. So I think they double down on that. Yeah. Yeah, this is a really interesting situation to me because Nintendo is sort of an uncharted territory, right? Like they have a new president that we have no idea what he's going to do. Like he's a numbers guy, so we can look at other numbers guys and other companies and go, oh, will he do it like what Sony does? But then we've never seen what he's going to do. We also know that, hey, he's heavily, still heavily influenced by Shigeru Miyamoto and everyone else that was there during the Owada era of Nintendo, where it was experimental city. Like, hey, we have this really neat idea. Let's try it out. Oh, we have motion control, let's try it out. Tablet, let's try it out. Two screens, let's try it out. Glasses free 3D, hey, let's try it out. Like it was all about just trying new things.  It didn't always work out. And like in the case of the gamepad, I thought it was great, but also it was pretty big and it didn't really work out for them. At least in that form, obviously by the time we got to Switch, it was a different story. Glasses free 3D, I mean, they eventually were releasing Switches or releasing 3DSs that you didn't even have 3D. So, and all of them had sliders and turned it off because they knew, hey, this does get people headaches, which probably means that it's, can't really be a core feature of the system, even though it's like in the name of the system because half your audience can't even really use it. So, but it's interesting because we don't know what Nintendo's gonna do. And I think, you know, we had a report from an investor's meeting earlier that Nintendo was maybe a little bit worried about the transition. And I can understand if they are, because I mean, let's just be honest, which is bigger than we. It's a starting to approach DS levels of popularity, which they haven't obviously seen since the DS. Maybe it goes beyond that. Maybe it's selling it becomes the best selling system of all time. If they keep selling Switch for, you know, the Switch as is, or let's say they have a pro model, come on, make sure they count in the same family and they keep going.   I think it's interesting that I don't know if Nintendo knows right now how to really transition. Right now they're just piling games out. There's Chuck and Mom. It's not a packed beginning of next year. Like just what we know it's packed right now. Like there's so many games coming out. And this is not even counting games we don't know about. Games that are rumored like Donkey Kong, and Metroid Prime, HD. They're bringing up the Wind Waker and Piper. That's not happening. At this point, I don't think so. No, that'll be the next system. The next system, if we see it. Like whenever they decide to raise those GameCube remasters in the next few years. Just give me a moment here just to highlight something, right? Like to your point, let's ignore things we don't know about. We count the games we know about. And then we also count the DLC. It gets kind of obscene, right? Cause we have Fire Emblem Engage. We have... And it's DLC. That's getting DLC, right? We have Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe. Then we have the Bayonetta Origins thing. And we're gonna get ways four, five, and six from Mario Kart throughout the year. We're getting Tears of the Kingdom. That's probably gonna have DLC as well, right? So two and three, we're gonna get a paid expansion for that at some point too. So that's coming out. And the Xenoblade Chronicles 3, that's gonna have a paid deal. It's gonna have like a story DLC. And it's probably gonna be like Tour of the Golden Country which is gonna have its own physical release on top of that. And then with Mario Kart and Sparks of Hope, there are two story DLCs coming out. One this summer and one the holiday. And we haven't even got the Scarlet and Violet. Oh, Scarlet and Violet is gonna have two probably significant DLCs back in the month. I mean, that's so much content this year. It is. Yeah. Like they could get away with just a DLC in the games they have so far. They won't because that would be bad. But like there's content to come out but there's content to come out throughout the year is my main point. Yeah. And I think people's main argument is that we, yeah, Nintendo's games are coming but maybe third party support's starting to dwindle. We're starting to see more cloud games than anything else. By the way, I didn't mention Octopath Traveler 2 because it's not being published by Nintendo. Yeah. And it's also a multi-platform. It's multi-platform now. But it is another game coming. No problem with it being a multi-platform. By the way, it's awesome. More people should play it. The last moment multi-platform after some time exclusivity. So I'm cool with that. But people want to count it as an exclusivity. It's just another third party quality third party game that will probably sell best on Switch. But yeah. Watch Harvors Legacy sell best on Switch. Oh, that would be insane. I mean, I think that that only happens if new hardware comes with Zelda. And it's actual localized version. And somehow Zelda, before we get to July, ends up moving like 20 million of this new system. Then Harvors Legacy could end up telling really, really well because people might want to in this awesome, portable version. I know 20 million pushing it a little. But I'm just saying, you never know. Maybe they've been banking these Switch pros for over a year. They just got like 50 million sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Yeah, you got to release it because they got too many of them banked up. They got to get rid of it. You could argue that all these games coming out and all this continued support when it comes to the Mario Cart waves and everything is just Nintendo's letting the people know that the Switch is not going anywhere. It's still getting continued support. So maybe it's strategically done. Having Mario Cart being all the way to the end of 2023 is telling people, look, we're still supporting the Nintendo Switch you have nothing to worry about. And this was their plan the entire time. Expand the life of the Switch and offer all these updates and upgrades letting people know we're safe. My console is still at least to the end of 2023. I'm getting updates from Mario Cart and for other games. That is why people think 2024 is more likely because of all this DLC. But because I think the system is going to be backwards and forwards compatible for a few years, I don't think that point really matters. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a surest we're getting support, though, for sure. I also think that we need to consider that. I remember before I mentioned that all of the development teams are working on single platforms now. And yeah, I think that includes whatever is next. Maybe we need to get used to the idea that Nintendo is just going to have a lot of content every year. And that's just the way it's going to be. It doesn't matter if new hardware is coming or not. And we're just not used to that. Like it's just not something we're used to because they have always been split between two platforms. That's true. Now they're not. So they just might just have. Like I'm not saying we're going to have 12 exclusives every year like last year, or we're going to have 2017 like year every single year, or even second half of 2019 all the time. But the idea of anywhere from five plus exclusive games dropping every single year plus DLC isn't crazy to me to think Nintendo could just do that every year. I think 12 exclusives is not really a tough expectation. Like you go back to the Wii U 3DS days, they were in the 20s like every year.  Well, a lot of that was also third parties making games specifically for Wii back in those days, too, or specifically for DS. And we don't have as many of those. It seems this time around, but the ones we do get are big gets, like big, big gets, you know, golf story, maybe on the lighter side, but then triangle strategy, live alive. Like all these, you know, those ended up being pretty big gets for them. Didn't Nintendo publish Harvestella? Or is that just Square Enix being like. I think Square Enix published it. Well, that is a really nice exclusive. Think about all those farm simulators. That's the big one that's being pushed because it's exclusive on the system. But see, here's the big thing with all of this. Imagine if we could be talking about these kind of first party releases already being a stacked year for you being a Nintendo Switch owner, but then also you get all the big 30 third party stuff. You know, everything that people are buying a PlayStation and Xbox for is not a cloud port. You get at least a, yes, you get at least a toned down version of it. It doesn't have to run the look the best, but. That would be a huge selling point. It would be huge. The library of games would be second to none if we got a Steam Deck level of power in a Nintendo Switch, which is what, why I think so many people want to see it, but probably why they're also burnt out on the topic because they've been wanting that for so long, you know. And then promise it with rumor after rumor and it's coming and it's a solid end. It's getting announced at E3, it's imminent. So just let me know it out here for a second, right? Like just hypothetical, right? Going down this road. Let's say there is new hardware that comes out. Maybe it does launch alongside Jesus King. That's what I want the most. I'm trying to be like, I'm trying to be like, you know, objective about this, but what I want the most is, is tears of the kingdom, better performance, higher resolution in May with new hardware. But hypothetically, if this happens, there are some third party exclusives or like enhanced games. Like say Hogwarts Legacy runs pretty well.  It isn't like a gimmick version, right? Like, and then I'd be excited to play it on there, especially because it would be a hybrid, it would be portable, which would make it even better. And then maybe they do something crazy, like where they release a version of Elden Ring on Switch 2 as well. People would love that. And then the Resident Evil game, there's a pretty good Resident Evil fan base on Nintendo. If that comes out for Switch 2, people will be all aboard that. And then let's not forget that Microsoft might commit to a 10-year plan. It's a Call of Duty on Switch. What if the next Call of Duty comes out next holiday for Switch 2? Those are all the kind of games that people will be like, oh, I love my Nintendo and I love playing portably, but I can't do that really well on my Switch. I'll buy Switch 2. And if you also promised Mario and Zelda and F-Zero and 4K at 60 FPS, like I think they'll, it'll sell. Like I don't think sales will be the concern for Nintendo. Imagine the amount of people that will show up with their Switches playing Call of Duty at work if they launch that next holiday. What if it becomes a scenario where Switch 2 becomes the best system for software like that? Yeah, that's where the gap is at right now. If Nintendo could do the best of both worlds with what they're doing with first-party content and incorporate third-party, they're almost untouchable at that point. Yeah, you might get better frames and a better core resolution with a home console like a PS5 or Series X. But if it's close enough, I think that's all most gamers want. So what we're saying is Sony's worried about the wrong company when it comes to the change. Yeah, exactly.  Oh, Call of Duty sells a lot of here. Oh, you cut Call of Duty. We got it. And three years in, we're the best-selling version of Call of Duty. Have a good day. Nate, I don't know how much time we have, but I kind of want to go in that direction because you just mentioned 200 million, right? And that's a joke. I've got time. But just hear me out here for a second, right? Cause it's interesting because today, you know, from that podcast, it suggests that there isn't a Switch Pro, but I have talked about how maybe this idea of what the next system is for Nintendo is a little blurred. Like it's next gen, but it's also not the same time because we look at, we look at sales, right? Like, so Switch right now is on the cusp of being the third best-selling system of all time. Like it's passing PS4 and, or rather, yeah, PS4 and it's passing Game Boy and Game Boy Color. It's going to be third, and then it's about 30-ish million away, 35 million away from DS at 154 and then PS2 at around 155, right? Like give or take, that's what we're looking at. So I mean, like imagine if Nintendo does a thing where basically what they did in the 90s was the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy could have been its own generation, but they lengthened that generation by adding a system in the family that's arguably already a generational step up, but at the same time, not. It plays the same games, enhances those games, has some exclusives, extends the generation, and they include it as part of the sales number. And if they do that, then I could see them getting to 200 million because if this next system, adds four or five more years to the system's lifespan and it acts as a next generation thing, the same what we're talking about, games run and look better, it gets third-party exclusives that run good enough, they could probably continue to sell 20 million every year for another four years. Absolutely. There's a pointer I want to bring up, someone mentioned this in the chat, let me show their comment here. Javier Nunez says, the longer it takes the more likely that they will develop it with older technology. I think what's interesting in thinking about that thought process is, I do think that there is something to the fact that Nintendo does like to use slightly older technology, that they're not necessarily into the latest and greatest. Now, to their credit, the Tegra X1 at the time was the most powerful gaming mobile chip at that moment. It just was quickly surpassed. And like the timing of the Switch's release meant, hey, stuff coming up by the end of 2017 is going to be more powerful. But at the beginning, there really wasn't. So it was sort of top of the line at that moment for what they were trying to achieve. But Nintendo does do that. Like a big thing Nintendo considers. Even when they were competing for power with the N64 and the SNES and the GameCube, one thing they always considered was, can we make this affordable? And can we make money at launch? And they don't like to sell a $500 system and not make money. Like that's just like what PS5 is doing with Xbox, that they don't like doing that. They want to make profits out the gate. Like when they lost money having to cut the price of the 3DS, that was a outlier. Nintendo does not like losing money. And it was primarily the 3D technology that was so dang expensive that led to the $250 price point in the first place. So Nintendo doesn't like to have to cut prices like that. So they like to use slightly older tech because it's cheaper and they can get more of it and they can sell you a system at that 300 or under price point, which they think based on their history is the sweet spot for mass market appeal. So I don't know that it's necessarily a bad thing for them to use older technology. Technically Steam Deck is old tech now. That's using a generation old technology now. People don't realize that's old news. What's in the PS5 and Xbox series? That's even older news. That tech is old now. Every year this is new tech coming out. PS5 is two generations behind. This is, we don't like to think about it that way because we're so used to console. No, no, no, it's a five, six. No, everything's using PC components now, which means everything is basically old the moment it comes out.  Guess what? We're two plus years from now and there's been two more generations of hardware. So it's now old. So tech technology just moves at an incredible pace. So I don't think it's a bad thing for Nintendo to necessarily use older stuff. I never viewed that as a negative to their thought process. I know that it's the opposite of what Sony and Microsoft like to do. They like to hit you with the latest when it releases, get the longest life you can out of it. But as we're seeing with, hey, this is 2015 technology, it just, you know, at least is projected for fiscal year 22, 23 to sell 19 million units. And it's sixth year. And yet this is like seven, eight year old technology. Clearly Nintendo doesn't think old tech can't sell. So- You ever think about this?  For like, if it came from Wii U, okay. Maybe not that substantial but being portable is pretty crazy. But going from a 3DS, which did launch for $250 to Switch, which is only $50 and more, which is just like, I don't even know how many more times more powerful. I don't, I'm just gonna throw a number out. 23 out. From a megabyte of RAM. Gigabytes. Yeah, from 240p to potentially 1080p. As I was saying, there's still 240p on Switch. That's not pretend that doesn't exist. Yeah, but it's just a crazy, crazy leap in terms of like mobile power. Like it was just insane. Well, see that's where I think Nintendo is honestly kind of pigeonholed themselves into this hybrid form factor from their own customer base. Whether they realize it or not, because how are you gonna tell us that once upon a time we could play the mainline AAA brand new Zelda and Mario games wherever we are in the world? Doesn't matter. You're going on a trip cross country.  You have full access to play it anywhere. And then if you take a step back from that and say, now you're tied to a console to play the main games we're gonna release a separate light console that's portable and it doesn't run the same games. Like I feel like this, they are in such a different scenario this generation than they've ever been because we've seen them hit the 100 million mark with the Wii and we've seen them do it on portable systems but we've never seen a hardcore fan base attached to that. And that's where we are with the Switch is it's like they have hardcore fans that love playing all the games with the flexibility to play them however they want. It is so too early to pull the plug on that being the option. So I think they have to do that. And then to expand upon like the whole, you know, how they buy old technology and sell it and don't like to sell it at a loss. Yes, but also would we maybe see Furukawa entertain the idea that with how much digital sales are going up and that's driving additional revenue from the eShop downloads. And if we attract in the third party with more powerful hardware that's easier to run on our consoles and not all these hoops jump through doesn't just make business sense. Can we just get the grave out for everyone? We're done. Like you guys go ahead and argue with the FTC. Meanwhile, we're burying you.  Like, we're gonna, if we're gonna want you guys to erect go away. They could go to 400 comfortably with a more powerful chipset. People will pay it right now. Because I mean, if it's something that's more powerful than Steam Deck I do they. Yeah. If it's more powerful than Steam Deck and they charge 400 it's going to be the best selling system for the next many, many years. Or sell an optional dock for a hundred bucks that gives you the 4K and sell it for 350, you know. We'll not let go of that supplemental computing device. Have any of you ever used a supplemental computing device with your laptop? I did a lot of research on the eGPUs from the Razer laptop before I got my gaming laptop just to see. I mean, it's possible. It's not with the current switch that we have now but my thing is, is if they designed it that way at its core they could definitely take advantage of an eGPU. And because of the patent, we know it's not like a crazy thing. We can't say that Nintendo's never thought of it because they did. Because they thought about it at one point. Well, they might need something like that if they're powering a VR console along with it. When the switch came out they had to clarify that the dock did not boost the power of the system. And it was a little confusing because when it had the power source it would overclock, right? Or raise its clock speed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then since then they've added a third even higher profile since then that helped a little bit. I still don't understand. One thing I don't get and this is sort of a little bit off topic to talk about the next generation switches. Why they didn't improve the cooling in the switch OLED and just let us run the Tegra X1 with stock. The chip's already there. You can already hack the system and overclock it to stock. So just, all we needed was better cooling that they want to burn our hands. I think it was basically like what Summer was saying earlier, like they didn't want to alienate anyone. But would anyone be alienated with a system that's technically more powerful like five years in? I just don't see how that alienates people. Maybe they were, well, maybe it's all about this moment where they're like, hey, now we have the gimmick that your systems will look and run better on this version of the switch. Maybe they don't want to pull that card yet. Okay. So to kind of round out this topic, are we getting new hardware in 2023? I put a poll out, so we'll get to the poll from the people. Are we getting new hardware next year? And I don't mean like a revision. That's like a Switch Lite OLED. I mean, something that's actually more powerful. Something that can run Zelda at 4K. Yeah. Well, that, I don't know that far. All right, all right, all right. Something that can run Zelda and then maybe above 1080p. Something that's just more powerful. Just a second. I mean, they have to do 4K though. Like if they're, you know what I mean? Like they're not going to launch a 1440p. Like there's not going to be an upgrade from 1080p unless they figure out a way to do 4K and they do it through DLSS or whatever they got to do. Not saying native. I don't think that's necessarily possible but upscale to 4K is possible. And every TV being sold right now in homes is 4K. You have to go out of your way to not find a 4K TV. Ah, I can actually combat that right now. My daughter got a little visit from Santa Claus and got a nice little, a little TV present that was only $100 at the store. And it was 720p and they're still selling 720p TV. They still make them, but to be fair, did you guys buy that for your living room or for your daughter's room? It's for her bedroom. I don't even watch TV in my living room. This giant TV, that's for my set. That's where I watch TV. You know, I need my 85 inches for some reason. Yeah, I'm right there with you on that. I'm compensating. I need to, I'll get mine. I will update my monitor when it's time to play Zelda in 4K. There you go. Well, I already have a 1440p 49 inch ultra wide monitor that if they would let me play Zelda on that without me having to use an emulator, that would just be talk about immersion. Anyways, so you guys are kind of avoiding the question that the question was, are we getting the hardware next year? I vote yes, but I'm voting yes out of my urge as a player. I don't necessarily think that it is the most solid thing that we're gonna get it, but I do think that it either happens with your kingdom or I'm willing it into existence. That's where I'm at on it. I say yes, but I say yes with fear in my heart. Yeah. I say yes with all the confidence in the world because I'm the king. The power of a thousand sons. All right, yeah, exactly. With the power of the master sword in 4K. I say, I can't be stopped. No, no tears for me. No tears for me. Only for the kingdom. Eric, I say yes just because I want it. Oh my gosh. I say yes just because I want it. We're all prisoners of the moment. Yes, right. Oh, yeah. Look, look, I told Andre that my opinion would probably change from his podcast to mine because on his podcast, I went all in and started getting it with the Zelda. Now there's too much. There's too much. I have to play devil's advocate. We're not getting it. It's not happening. So you're saying 2024 at the earliest. So you're saying the Lineman story kind of got you rethinking things. No, not the Lineman story, no matter. Lineman's irrelevant. Loud, Nate. I didn't think it would happen between Andre's podcast and now. It's got to be worth it. You know what's weird too with the Lineman story? I reached out to him just for clarification. I wanted to just clarify what he said. And he didn't respond. And it's fine. I'm not saying I'm big enough deal that someone from Digital Foundry and NeuroGamer should respond to me, but he's responding to me in the past for less. So it's weird. Maybe he doesn't have time. Yeah. I thought it was a little weird. He's responded to me about other things in the past that weren't as big of a deal. Sometimes he messes me. I don't get back to him until a week later. So I wouldn't take it personally. No, I wouldn't take it in personally. It's like he follows me. He probably doesn't even check his DMs anymore. Well, he's in a wave of media coverage right now, God knows what his mentions and ads look like. You want to see what my Discord looks like. There's a reason it says I'm always busy. Man, I'm a busy kid. I actually text Miyamoto. He has not gotten back to me a couple hours now. And I'm just unacceptable. Yeah, that's it. Miyamoto. One and a whole. It's not if you retire Miyamoto. You're going to go to Japan right now, right? Whatever, man. Whatever you're saying in cubicle. But now, look, I'm just going to play the devil's advocate because somebody has to do it. And I don't want this podcast. But you don't believe it, though. You don't believe it. You just say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing. I don't know what we're getting new hardware next year. And frankly, I don't need new hardware. I'm good. I want it. Let your heart decide, Nate. It's a want, not a need. I've learned in my life to be happy with what you have. Let your heart decide. No. Let it decide, Nate. No, Mike, you can do it. Come on, you can do it. Every time you talk. This is turning me to an intervention now, and this is an intervention now. Nate, we have to talk, Nate. Just tell us what you actually believe. What's in your heart? Open up, man. Open up. My heart, my head. Go ahead.  Open up, man. How many times have my heart been wrong? I thought we were getting this thing out in 2019. It's cold outside. It's cold outside. I think even the oxygen, it's not real. It's actually quite toasty in here right now. And actually, it's not that cold outside. Not today. Today. We've been in negative for like two weeks, and now we're finally out of it. But what is not cold for you guys? Like anything in above 30 degrees is good. I can wear shorts. I'm wearing shorts right now. You guys can't see it on camera. I'm wearing shorts right now. Shorts while they're right now. Right now it's 53, and I'm freezing. Dude, I'd be jumping in the ocean and swimming. Let's keep in mind, though, that when you live in warmer climates, your blood thins, so it impacts you more easily. Yes. Yes. So if you're freezing, Mike, they do have a solution for this. I'm not saying you have to partake. But it at least makes you feel warmer. See, I feel like this energy that HMK was drinking earlier looked like a giant beer. I'm just saying. Oh, yeah. Well, he wasn't going to put powder in it, too. Warming properties. There's a reason that we drink a lot in Wisconsin. We're trying to stay warm. Stay warm, yeah. But that's all a mental game. But it actually does. But your body's so cold. But here's the thing. But it does the opposite. It actually makes you colder. But you feel warmer, which can be dangerous. The difference is our bodies can actually handle pretty cold weather to a point. So it ends up not really mattering that much, unless it's a dangerous level of cold outside. But listen, let me get me wrong. I used to live in obviously New York. I lived there for like six, seven years. And I fell into a pool of ice, broke the ice. And then like halfway. We did that on purpose. And mine is the group. Mine is 15, right? When I fell into the ice thing, right, the water. And then the next day I was in Florida. Very next day. Next day in Florida. We're telling you it's like a challenge bet that we have.  It is a poor bunch, man. Did we do the polar plunge?  Yeah, well, no, not for fun. I mean, it's for charity. It's for charity. But let's just be honest. The same people do it every year. Oh, yeah. It's for fun at this point. I really love it. It's a proof of how much of a man you are. I really hope the switch comes out everywhere. Everywhere except for Wisconsin. I'm going to throw out another idea on the internet. I can just import from any other state. We're good. I'm going to throw another idea for you. And maybe this is why Pikmin 4 gets delayed. But Pikmin 4 is slated for 2023. How weird would it be for an intelligent to skip Zelda, skip a potential Mario releases holiday for new hardware, and then skip Pikmin 4, which obviously would make sense to be in 4K and then come out with a new hardware next year. Like, yes, they can update all those. But those are just all opportunities to push to push Harvard. One more thing I want to mention before I have zero is heavily rumored, which is also going to look really good at high resolutions. It's really good at 1080p. It's going to look really good in 480p because it already does on the game. But you know, I'm just saying, specifically with Pikmin 4, that game looks so amazing. It would just be a little odd to me if the Nintendo skipped Zelda and Pikmin and Mario and it came out with more power for Harvard next year. And the backup the next year thing, there's a really. But by next, I mean 2024, there's a really old quote from Miyamoto about six years ago, where he said he didn't think 4K would make that big of a difference for Zelda, but it would be huge for Pikmin. Yeah. Now, this predated switch. So this is this is a while ago. That's where this really holds back with Pikmin 3 on Wii U. We talked about how the HD resolution really benefited the game because of all the small details. And he thought 4K would be a huge benefit to Pikmin. And here we are getting Pikmin 4 next year, and it's conveniently taken since then to now, maybe in time for hardware. But again, that was advocate. There's no hardware next year. Hold on. Yeah, no, it's no hardware next year. No, that's when they, that's when we truly find out it's actually Pikmin 4K. Oh, here we go. Did that, that's probably what it is. That's probably what it is. But that's why I've been late to 2024 with this system. With their naming on the OLED model, would they not just do, is it switch 4K? And then they do Pikmin 4K, like back to the N64 days, or they're just naming it for the power of the console? That would be epic. Or, or, or, they'll just go ahead and deluxe everything, or Pikmin deluxe. Yeah, deluxe is another one. Pikmin 4K deluxe. Deluxe. New edition. Or do they try to launch everything that they have in 2023 and then sell us deluxe 4K versions on the new hardware in 2024? That is another one. Metroid Prime 4K. Oh, well, that, and that works perfect. And I do think that it does need to come out on new hardware. It should come out on new hardware whenever it launches. We haven't seen anything about it. We don't know when. But still, it should come out on new hardware because with the kind of technical, like, like how far ahead of that game was when it just Metroid Prime 1 through 3. I mean, but really Metroid Prime 1 when it came out on the GameCube. The fact that you can still up-res that to this day and it looks beautiful. I mean, it honestly looks on par with what we still have on the Switch and a lot of aspects. Prime 4 should do something technically impressive, I think. Yeah, yeah. Let me ask you guys something because Nate and I had an argument about this on Monday. We were about to get to this on the next topic too, I swear. Well, are we trans-distriting? Yeah, we're trans-distriting. I don't like this became both factors. Well, Eric has something to say.   I don't have something that would give credence to Nate. It's going to be 2024K. Damn it. Oh, no. You're right.  Well, Prime 4 is definitely coming out 2023. So, I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, there we go. And people think Pickle 4 is going to get delayed, so, you know. So, the roundup this time is let's just see what the public thought. So, we're ending that poll there. We had about 99 votes in that thing. And I'm waiting for it to pop up to tell me what the final percentage was. Because, of course, I didn't look at the final percentage. So, I had to wait for it to actually... Did it pop up to 35? Yes, 58%. Yes, 40%. So, we have 58% yes and 40% no. So, the majority is on the side of the majority of the panel. Wait. And now it's 100. Wait, wait, wait, what? How does that work? That means there's 2% undecided. They just... That wasn't an option. How does that work, too? Oh, that's... The funny thing is, if it would have stopped at 99, I would have understood it because the rounding wouldn't be perfect. But it went to a perfect 100. So, it makes no sense. It should be 60-40. But for some reason, YouTube, your system's broke. All right, moving on. Yeah. Our next topic... We are in Colorado... We're going to talk about this, I guess, by talking about the lineup for Nintendo Switch or the system, I don't know, in 2023, and giving some predictions and thoughts and why we think the way that we do. First up, obviously, just recapping briefly what we know is announced for next year anyways. We also have the Kirby game. We got Fire Emblem Engage kicking off the year. We got Bayonetta Origins. Pikmin 4 probably coming a bit later in the year because it has no release date yet, just the year. And obviously, we have Tears of the Kingdom on May 12.   Goal I'm supposed to be coming on next year on Switch. We're supposed to be getting Hogwarts Legacy, July 25th. We got Archive of Traveler 2 and a whole bunch of other games coming. So, it's actually a pretty packed slate so far in the first six to seven months of the system. But that's the first six to seven months. There's cle