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Going on everyone Sam here with late in sports car German 23 penini prism football. No huddle five box break number one random team style There is a look again at your end results as always you can find these on the website under the results tab as well as a link in chat You've got Alex G with the Jets a manual with the bears up top Shipe with the Steelers and Gabriel S with the Chiefs down on the bottom. So good luck everybody. Let's get after it first No huddle of the year First no huddle of the year got fine one exclusive rookie autograph. No huddle prison parallel per box On average they're off. They've read of David and joku for the Browns to 70 that's weird. That's different. Nice one. Yes, there is you are in this J So you got the Lions you're you got the Lions in this so you blow two and Jonathan mango Yes, you are and I think you're in both of them you and Shiper both in both of them. That's quite the duo right there Christian Kirk Tanner McKee is gonna be your disco auto congrats Eagles Nice one there for the Rams. We've got Kurt Warner to 95. So again, these are Little different from last year the blues used to be number 79 I believe the Reds were to 50 There are Henry disco Christian Gonzalez and Zach Charbonnet. That is a blue to 95 Dak Prescott for the Cowboys disco of Cole come up Skoronsky and Quentin Johnson. Yeah, you can do The purples are number two purples act Charbonnet rookie to 35 18 of 35 Nice one there for the Seahawks price young rookie and Jane and rebrew Yeah, blue be a very good color match of the line. You are very correct on that. Very correct Disco Variation is Jack Zach Charbonnet again for the Seahawks Rishi rice and Dalton king aid Purple 270 Bradley Chubb no to 35 the Reds to 70 purple to 35 Bradley Chubb for the Dolphins Joey Bosa pace and do some on As a disco variation of Chase Brown So you seem to be easier to hit more than one per box Portals teal off Kenny Mackintosh and a disco of Hassan Reddick for the Eagles Red disco to 70 Byron young for the Raiders. Congrats Raiders on the rookie He looks on the weekend with Zoma and say flowers Disco lockdown Fred Warner Jalen Carter rookie and Sean Clifford Disco at Shaq Leonard lockdown disco Devonte Adams fireworks the Von A chain and a pukka nakua Nice one there on the disco at rookie for the Rams good stuff Rams Jason with Colorado in number seven. Thank you Jason Michael B with LSU and Duke in number six We're down to nine We're down to nine to go in the first one here But again teams are all marked down a little bit more Oklahoma, Florida state Penn State Ole Miss Kansas State Arkansas, Missouri, Wisconsin and Oregon all still available nine to go to go on the first Bowman's best nine to go. Thank you again Jason taking the Colorado Buffaloes in number seven that should be down to 13. I believe again teams are marked down a little bit more Yeah, they're a little bit less rare than silvers. I mean once retail comes out. They're about equivalent I would say so. Yeah, they are I would say to answer your question. Yes Yes, they are equivalent to silvers probably a little bit less valuable than silvers. I would say Von Miller to at 60 or 70 so that's in Bennett and Hirek Stevenson blue to 95 OBJ for the Ravens You're good Jason disco is a Mario Cooper Forbes and Pukinakua. Yeah, the discos. They are exclusive to just this product though Red to 70 Kendra Miller rookie for the Saints Tyler Scott and Brian Breeze We got a gold. We've got gold Ivan pace two of ten on the gold disco auto congrats on that one Vikings That's awesome. He's a stud man. He was all rookie first team Josh Allen, that's Josh Allen of the Jags to 95 And it's a breeze all I say a Foskey and Jack Campbell. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, if you ever have any questions, feel free to ask Feel free to ask at any time Josh Allen disco Tyree kill and in Hooker rookie and a disco Duran pain Disco variation Roshan Johnson the better Josh Allen can I bent it and Josh down? I mean there is an argument to be made for that with how good Jags Josh Allen is Blue to 95 Jaren Hall going to the Vikings on the rookie Joy Porter, Jr. And Evan Hall red to 70 Derek Carr Nice one there disco at Laramie Tunsel Wilson and Michael Meyer dude on Wednesday when the pizza was here. Oh my god. That was the funniest thing ever Oh, wait, we're waiting We're waiting and then Sean's like alright, I gotta go tell him and he's like pizza's here Then he comes sits back down good like 30 seconds goes by and he goes still not coming out Because when he came in he was like pizza's here. I see rice It was one of those things like it just seems like he had just gone and grabbed it from the guy and like he put on the table Yeah, I know I know I get it Ryan branch disco Like I think oh There's Bryce young on the throwback disco nice one there for the Panthers No, that's true, that's true, that's fair Peter Kay with a no huddle spot Maxime with a Inception chrome black mixer spot. Thank you guys again again at nine to go on the first bowman's best to you Just like are you gonna go get it? He comes he's like he's just sitting there, too. He's just sitting there.  Sorry little Shakira to at 95 George Kittle prismatic Mims and there is Davis We're gonna Get through prism this year without points, but I'm wrong and an ochre variation disco. There you go, Jason That's when they're buddy disco of Tony Pollard. Hey, it was she rice rookie and disco Montez sweat for the commander That's good. That's good news for you shady blue was on askin's 285 or 95 Cade rookie and Ivan pace disco Michael Wilson variation Lauren Williams and Jaren all Roshan Johnson red 270 nice one there for the Bears a Christian Kirk disco schoonmaker and Disco is Jameer Gibbs on the throwback again Jason nice one there buddy. Just go AJ Brown height Duce Vaughan and Anthony Richardson disco rookie Congrats Colts. There you go That'll work Dan with Oregon and six and seven. Thank you, Dan B and Nicholas.  We're down to 8 to go in the next one everyone Oklahoma Florida State Penn State Ole Miss Kansas State, Arkansas, Missouri, Wisconsin really nothing super super expensive Oklahoma Maybe it's gonna be the most expensive woman's best number six It to go everyone eat to go Joe borough throwback disco CJ Stroud rookie and Ty J. Spears Blue 95 Devonte Adams DJ Oshelara and Justin shorter blue Drew blood so 295 Shipe has the Steelers. I believe Jason in no Connell and Darnell Washington Shipe's got the Steelers purple hunter-renfro to 35 Jordan Addison rookie and Mazzie Smith Who's out there now? I don't somebody walks by. I don't know who it was really Points again. Sorry everybody. So two teams are gonna get points Little Jordan Humphrey to 70 Bryce young Tank Dell and Chris Rodriguez, Jr. That was my one fear about prism this year is that they have there's no points in hobby or photo But I was gonna say I think they're gonna be heavy on it and no huddle and that's true Jalen Petrie, Stefan Diggs, Tanner McKee and Saquon Disco Disco at Justin Fields who is Amari Cooper nice one there to 95 Dylan Horton and Will Leviss But it's not bad like it's a cheaper way to get into prism, which is good But it's like I don't like I don't like how they raised all the number To 35 is Cedric Tillman because I don't know do I don't know if we have a Like in between 10 and 35 left to see Marcus Allen he on white and Brian branch up to see Yeah, they did that with freaking they did that with mosaic and basketball which really bugged me But I'm sure there's a pink of some sort disco of JSN on the throwback I said it looked in the checklist to be honest Brock Gertie Byron young and Joy Porter Yeah, I mean that would make sense to admit it makes sense This goes Cedric Tillman on the variation Broderick Jones and Anthony Richardson All right, Jonathan with a no huddle spot Daniel L with Oklahoma in six. Thank you Daniel James with Florida State in six So thank you to the both of you. We are down to six to go now. I just want to see what Yeah, there's no okay, so there's no huddle pink to 15 as well. That's what I thought Okay, I knew there's gonna be one in between and then it's And then no huddle green to five so there is no gold on that one Yeah, variations do show up much more in no huddle, which would be kind of nice. I kind of like the idea of that I'm all right with that. Yeah, the greens to five or dope when you pull those those are fire. I love those There's a no huddle pink Peter Skoronski to 15 there you go Titans 13 to 15. I guess could just wait is speaking of it that when Mingo red to 70 Chad Johnson for the bangles Christian Gonzalez and Zach Charbonnet Charbonnet blue to 95 trade talker rookie for the Raiders there are no right in case on boutique auto to Marvion over shown nice one there for the Cowboys Red Kaderis Tony to 70 Jalen Hertz Marvin Mims and Darius Davis. Oh, yeah, we gotta save you all the kid reporters That's Tajé Spears Anthony Richardson prison break Rishi rice and disco of Jordan Brooks Even says it in the fine print. Please give these to the biggest baby at the shop. Okay. There you go.  Whatever Whatever Cooper cup 295 Congrats on that one Rams Dalton Kincaid and Ivan face blue Alan Lazzard for the Jets to 95 Evan Ingram disco for the Jags schoonmaker and Nolan Smith disco to Sean Watson throwback Disco Jalen Hertz, Deuce von and Evan Hull disco rookie is a disco Russell Wilson The all-purpose another shroud rookie and Tajé Spears It is a good way to shoot after rookies to just solid. All right So two points do the random for these really quick again I'm gonna put every team in the randomizer the top two after we roll the dice. We'll get 250 points each grab them You right everybody gonna roll the dice whatever two teams are on top come on after nine times I'll get the points 32 that one two three four five six seven eight and nine Eagles and Packers are gonna get them Eagles and Packers. Congrats to both of you Eagles Yes, sir. All right quick recap here everybody. We've got blues to 95 Alan Lazzard Cooper cup Trey Tucker Amari Cooper drew blood so Devon say Adams Hassan Haskins Khalil Shakir Jaren Hall Josh Allen Odell Beckham Jr. Dak Krescott Kurt Warner to 70 Cadarius Tony. These are the Reds Chad Johnson little Jordan Humphrey Roshan Johnson Debo Samuel Derek Carr Kendra Miller Vaughn Miller Byron young David and joku Purples to 35 Cedric Tillman Hunter Renfrow Trey Hendrickson Bradley Chubb Zach Charbonnet Pinkster 15 Peter Skoronski Autos we had DeMarvion over shown Tanner McKee and a gold to 10 of Ivan pace do it for the break everybody. Thanks again for the fill up next is the second


Bismillahirrahmanirrahim The question that I was presented with is how does your faith or congregation address environmental concerns? At first I took the topic at face value, I converted it in my talk to how does Islam address environmental concerns As I was going through the, you know, putting together my notes and I actually first created a talk like this about 10 years ago A few members from our congregation or from our community created something called the Muslim Green Team To start becoming a little more active in environmental issues And so we put together some speaker points and some speaker notes if someone wanted to give a sermon on the topic So I was going through that old talk and I realized the title I had given it was a little misleading How does Islam address environmental concerns? The faith itself doesn't necessarily address environmental concerns because environmental concerns are contemporary and changing What the faith does I think is contextualize how to think about the environment and give us principles so that people can address environmental concerns Muslims address environmental concerns So in the beginning of this I'm going to try to put a context for how does Islam think about the environment What are some of the principles we have within our faith that are connected to concerns about the environment? And then at the end talk about as Muslims and as people how can we address environmental concerns And I think even my personal perspective has changed over the past 10 years especially given some recent I think this topic is now really impressive given some of the press that Greta Thunberg for example has gotten And her activism and other young climate activists I'm learning a lot and I think my own perspective on the issue is changing So to give you some context first I'm going to talk about the place of nature itself in consciousness of Muslims And in the faith of Islam I will also talk about some Islamic principles that directly address the environment And then maybe some ideas about how we address environmental concerns In a sense as Muslims we believe we have a very primordial connection to the earth We have a creation story and I'm sure so she asked for a show of hands all of you attended religion chat Is that what it's called before So I'm assuming some basic background knowledge of principles and some basics of Islam If not I'll ask Sure, sure and please do What I get paid for is I'm a professor of philosophy at a college and so I don't do a lot of lecturing I do a lot of questioning and then picking a part of people's answers So I'm very happy with interruptions and questions so feel free So in Islam we do have a creation story and we have a story that Adam was created from earth And in fact you may have heard this story before but there's this exchange where God creates Adam And asks the angels and another being his name is Iblis to show respect and bow to what he has just created to bow to Adam And Iblis refuses because he is what we call a jinn I don't know if that translates to genie or not but it's another type of creation similar to angels Except that jinn also have free will like human beings So anyway God asked the angels and Iblis to bow to Adam and Iblis refuses and says I made a fire and he's made a clay Like I'm superior so we as Muslims we cite this as sort of the first instance of racism or prejudice That I'm created different and I'm superior But that's a whole other talk But the idea is that we are made from the earth We are made from clay and so in that sense as Muslims we consider ourselves to have this very primordial Very organic connection to the earth And there's another very famous quote from the prophet Muhammad It's called the Hadith which is a saying of the prophet When he says the earth has been made for me and my followers of the earth is praying and a thing to perform cleansing Therefore my followers can pray wherever the time of prayer is due Meaning that when we pray and you know that Muslims are asked to pray five times a day in ritual prayer Although we can supplicate 24-7 There's certain conditions we need to be clean ourselves We need to be praying in a clean place There's a saying from the prophet that says explicitly that the entire earth is pure and clean as a place of prayer So it's interesting I brought a copy of this book I actually brought three extra copies in case anyone would like one It's called Green Dean And Dean is sort of the Arabic word for faith or way of life or religion And the quote on the back is a translation of this, the earth is a mosque And the author talks about the first time he was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in New York Sort of inner city black Muslim kid And he was five years old for the first time his dad took him out on a hike in some nearby hills And said oh it's time to pray, we're going to pray here And the boy said he had never conceived a prayer outside of his place of worship or his home And when his father recited this quote that the entire world is pure as a place of prayer It really struck him And was very sort of foundational informing his ideas about his faith and the environment When I was first learning about Islam, so I didn't grow up in a Muslim family I grew up in a Hindu family And when I was in college I started learning about Islam And I read this book called Islam ideals and realities And the author was talking about what it means to be Muslim and what the word Islam means I'm sure a lot of you know what the word Islam means or the connotation Peace And also submissions the connotation is achieving peace through submission to the will of God He framed it very wonderfully He said if you think about it all of creation is in submission to God And in fact there is a verse from the Quran or holy book that says And unto God falls in prostration whatever is in the heavens and earth Willingly or un-willingly And so do their shadows in the mornings and in the afternoons And you know this is an idea that early Muslim philosophers developed sort of in the medieval times And then actually you'll find some similar like echoes of this philosophy in later Christian philosophers Like especially Aquinas Where they talk about the idea that all of nature is in submission to God Human beings are the ones that have the choice whether or not to submit to the will of God Right so a tree won't say I don't feel like bearing fruit I just choose not to right or something I choose not to emit light today But the sun isn't there that I choose to emit They do what they were created to do And they don't have a choice over that And to an extent there are certain functions in our own body that we don't have a choice after A choice over right But early Muslim philosophers understood that we do have this extra element of choice Whether or not to submit to what God How God wants us to live And submit to the will of God And so this also was explaining that then by submitting to the will of God By being a Muslim in that sense The linguistic sense of being a submitter You're essentially putting yourself in harmony with the rest of the universe And so in that sense nature is almost our role model That we want to follow in terms of being in submission And a reminder to us to remain in submission And then there's another concept that contextualizes the role of nature in Islam All of you know the holy book for Muslims What is it called? The Quran Again early Muslim scholars said we actually have two holy books And some of you may say oh I know the Sunnah or the Hadith But that's not what they're talking about They say we have two holy books One is the revealed book The Quran that was given to us by God through the Prophet Muhammad Revealed through Angel Gabriel So that you know about They said we have another book It's called the displayed book And what scholars are referring to is nature itself The environment itself And the idea was that yes God has revealed to us this book And in it are lessons that we take and we learn from it But God has also given us this other book to learn from And that is the world around us And if you actually Perhaps many of you have opened up the Quran And flipped through it a little bit You'll see that there's so many reminders related to nature And the environment So God will constantly be asking us in the Quran To look to the sun and the moon Look to the oceans Look to the trees Look to the crops In fact there's a specific verse where Those who are skeptical of this new message Are asking the Prophet Muhammad Are you telling us that we're going to die And then come back to life Right, the idea of resurrection This is, they're saying this is crazy And God is asking us do you see your crops That they grow And then they appear to die And then they come back to life And in fact I mean kids are such wonderful teachers When my daughter was born And we were in this house That we're living in You know in the winter the tree would look like it's dead And she's like mommy did the tree die But no no it's just winter But it's totally, it looks totally dead There's no leaves There's no nothing There's just sticks And I said just wait and watch And then in the spring It blossoms again And she's like wow How did it come back to life Right, so in the Quran God is constantly reminding us That yes I have given you this book As a source of revelation As a source of guidance But you also have all this around you To guide you also to God And early Muslim philosophers said that We were given the book But we were also given our brain In order to come to those same conclusions If we really looked around us With an open heart and open mind That we would come to those same conclusions And what's interesting actually is that You know we translate the sentences I guess Within the Quran is verse But the Arabic word for that is actually Does anyone know how to write it? Aya, so the Arabic word for that is an aya And this is the difficulty of translating Certain concepts from one face to another One language to another And aya literally means, who knows? Assign Assign, yeah, so when we were given the Quran The word for those individual sentences Is not sentence or verse Right, because verse implies aya Which means assign And it's the same thing that we refer to When we see a sign in nature Assigned from God So there's a matching up here Between the book that God has given us In the world and the book that has been Revealed to us So that's sort of to contextualize What a central role the world And the environment plays in our faith Then there are some specific principles That can help us maybe address Specific environmental concerns What is this idea of stewardship? And I know that this is not Concept specific or unique to The faith of Islam But when God created humans The understandings that we have been created As stewards of the earth And there's a verse, I will read it Although it's a little bit lengthy But I think it's important And this is in the 14th chapter Of the Quran It is God who has created the heavens and earth And sends down rain from the skies And with it brings up fruits With which we feed you And it is he who has been the ship subject to you That you may sail through the sea By his command And the rivers has he made subject to you And he's made subject to you the sun and the moon Both diligently pursuing their courses And the night and the day Has he also made subject to you And he gives you all that you ask for But if you count the favors of God You will never be able to count them Or to number them So obviously we don't Some of these things We don't control Literally So we don't control the sun and the moon But the idea here is that God has given us these things in nature These favors And some element of control Some element of being able to harness it To our own benefit And I think we're becoming more and more conscious Of the fact that For better or worse We have harnessed A lot of what God has given us For our own benefit Sometimes at the detriment Of the house of earth itself Which we'll talk about maybe a little bit later But with that power To quote Spider-Man Or Spider-Man's uncle Which great power comes great responsibility Right So with the power That we haven't given To harness these things We are all That's the idea of stewardship That you have power over something But the power Is to care for something You're giving temporary power over something To make sure that you take good care of it And that it's still there When whoever it belongs to comes back Right So, you know, we have this concept Muslims have this concept about everything we're given Including our own bodies Including our money Which is why we have rules You know, my son So my son is seven years old He'll be seven on Saturday And last year He started a business Because he thought I wasn't buying him enough Legos Or he wanted Legos And I said You have plenty of Legos Interprets, gratitude Right So we're going through all this He said, well, I want more So, well, buy him yourself He says, how do I get money? So, well, you either have to have a job Or start a business He says, well, I want a job A little too young for a job So he started a business And he made money And I should have preemptively Talked about this with him But I said, okay He made us for sale And I said, well, hold on First you need to take away the costs Right Whatever it costs to make your product He wraps chocolates and custom wrappers It's awesome So you have to pay for the chocolate And the labels And mommy's ink Right So you need to pay for those things And then we put some away for savings We put some away for charity And then the rest you can have He was like, tears Why are you doing this to me? I was like, wait till he gets his first paycheck Right So I think this is the salary He told me I was going to get Anyway, so tears And I really should have talked to him about this at first But we went through this conversation He says, well, it's my money I can do what I want with it It's my money, right And we had this conversation That nothing you have is yours Yes, it's yours and a sense But God has given us the ability To use these things for our benefit That this is God's money That he's letting you have for a little while Same thing with our body Our body is ours to use on this earth But we have a responsibility to take care of it And so everything we're given We have the stewardship over Responsibility to take care of it And because of that We owe certain responsibilities to somebody So out of our money We owe, we believe in our faith That you owe a responsibility To those who don't have the same privileges And haven't been put in the same kind of position To be able to make as much money So same thing with the earth That it's a stewardship Yes, we can harness it for our use But we are really caretakers And we have to take that As a serious responsibility Secondly, there's another really beautiful Saying from the Prophet And he says when doing the ablution Which is the ritual washing That we do before each of the ritual prayers The five prayers He says do not waste Even if you are using water from a flowing river And if you think about it It's pretty profound Because what he's saying here Is that even if you have a flowing river Even if there's plenty Don't waste Because sometimes the way we frame Environmental concerns is we're running out of it So start conserving it As opposed to changing just the attitudes of people That we just shouldn't have an attitude of wastefulness Even if there's a ton of it It's just not a good attitude to be wasteful And even in the Quran there's a verse where God says Waste not by excess for God Loves not the wasters That just the attitude of wastefulness Is not becoming a person of faith Why do you think that is? I'm going into a philosophy teacher mode Why is the attitude What does the attitude of wastefulness have to do with faith? Selfishness in green Selfishness in green You're wasteful, you're shallow You're shallow, you're not You're just on the top of it Right, right You're not living Right, right Other ideas? Sharing Right, community I'm learning What else? Also like in gratitude Right?  In another minute You'll have Agnes left For questions Okay all right So there are some specific Exhortations within the faith About how we care for the earth How we care for animals You know quickly Within the faith There are some rules about Even if you're engaged in a battle For example a war There are certain things that are off limits So even if you're in a war In a certain area You leave alone places of worship Any place of worship It's not just your own But you also don't root trees You don't harm animals You don't harm crops Which when I first learned I thought was very sort of strange Because you don't think of People being in battle And then you're like Wait let's go around the tree Or let's go around the crops right But this is within the rules That you don't damage infrastructure People of faith But also like the environment You don't damage the environment And then in Islam There are vegetarian Islam It's not an Islamic principle But the practice of early Muslims Also they didn't eat a lot of meat And there are a lot of A lot of incidents in the life Of the Prophet where he pointed To people who otherwise Were sort of shunned from society There's an incident of a prostitute In the community So she was sort of shunned And she saw a dog That was dying of thirst And she took off her slipper And went to the well Took out water And gave the dogs some water And he said because of that She's going to go to heaven It's the idea that We care for these creatures So I'll wrap it up And allow some time for questions But I said I would address this last question That or the topic So how do Muslims address environmental concerns And I wanted to propose again Because I said my views on this have changed Where a lot of the talk is What do we do personally In our lives And I've been learning a lot recently And some of the statistics out there That 100 companies are responsible For 71% of global emissions Since 1988 And there's been a lot of talk that By telling people to change their habits It's almost victim shaming Like we're the one suffering from these effects And then you're telling the people You should change And we should because You know in the context of what we've said We do it because we care But if you want an effective solution to the problem Individuals aren't really the main problem And so I just want to end with Another saying of the prophet Muhammad And he says that Whosoever of you sees something wrong Let him change it with his hand And if he is not able to do so Then let him change it with his tongue And if he's not able to do so Then within his heart And that is the weakest of faith Or not the weakest It's a bad translation But like the minimum And I see this saying As the context for civil engagement And social justice within Islam If we see something Then we have to do something to address it And based on the facts We can change our personal habits But it's really going to take a community Of people to come together and advocate For those who are actually causing the problem To change the habits So I think we have maybe three minutes left For questions I didn't know I was going to talk that long So I would like that list of those Hundred companies so I can boycott them So I'll give you the study I think you've used the reference for the study And I'm sure if you did an internet search You would also find it And it's interesting because Again, boycotting is effective If it's a mass boycott So I'm not a policy person I teach philosophy Sort of an opposite end of the spectrum My husband is a social worker So he's very action-oriented But certainly I think it takes It's going to take some mass advocacy But in order for people to act They have to know and they have to care Right? So I think a lot of us know And we can stand to know more I think a lot of us Our faith or our other principles Encourage us to care And then the next step is to act And hopefully we can as a community Come together I want you to know It's one of the, it's interesting Oh it's a question Oh the importance of water So off the top of my head I can say that there is a constant There are so many metaphors In the Quran that use water It's used to describe Of course bodies of water And it asks us to look at Different bodies of water To take lessons from things It talks about two rivers joining This is interesting There's a verse in the river That says in the Quran It says when two rivers join There is a barrier and the water doesn't mix And people say that's crazy Of course you put water together and it mixes But if you've been at the border Of like salt and fresh water You see that there is a border So there's a lot of things like that In the Quran that are telling us to please To look at water to observe The miracle that God has given us There's a lot about rain About the life giving force of rain In fact, and this is Again a whole other topic But the word sharia Which is often misunderstood And could be a whole other topic Was actually used by Arabs Even before Islam to meet The path that you take to find water And Islam as a religion That was founded in an area In fact, you know, there's sort of The three monotheists Traditionally viewed as monotheistic Jews and Christianity Islam all started in places Where there was a desert Water was so important And so the word sharia Met like the road you take To find the closest body of water So there's a lot of metaphors And a lot of signs that have to do with Water in the faith There's not a specific thing in the Quran That says preserve water But it's included in everything And definitely presented as a big miracle Or blessing that God has given us Thank you I've been here a few times We've been talking this time Hopefully the acoustics are going to be nice So you'll be able to hear me So I'm going to begin with a chant Now describe what it is later And then I'll talk about the Hindu perspective Of the human So please close your eyes If you'd like to come to me I will just chant and ask What I will describe it Shanti So the reason we're discussing environment Of course is that Environmental disasters are all around us And we're anticipating all manner of changes In the environment And so we're concerned about The damage that we're causing In the environment And the sort of behavior That our behavior that is Causing this damage What system of thought And what pattern of behavior Am I going to do this And bring things back into balance That's the reason why We're discussing the environment And involved in this Are topics of consumerism Which is the fact that Our economies are driven by An earn and spend model Where you earn to spend And consumerism is a big thing The hyper individualization Of society Is another reason for this consumerism And the lack of perception Of interconnectedness between these Because of this individualization Because of this lack of perceiving The entire system at one go We see it only in parts And this lack of connection Forces us to see things differently Which is a problem And a lack of a system Of communicating values And traditions and habits To the younger generations As they come in So they learn the wrong things Because we don't know How to transmit the right things So really it's really A choice between a few Combinations of things That we have to think about One is how does the society Look at the spiritual and the sacred Which is how do you see Beyond just the material That is available to you And see everything in a divine light So that's the first conversation We have to have The second is how do you see And how it works in synchrony How different pieces work How things work in harmony And the third is People are very elegant You pointed out this How do you inculcate a sense Of selflessness and not Stealing from future generations For you So to recap Spiritual and sacred Is the first thing That we are to discuss The second is Seeing the entire system At one go Hopefully Seeing the entire system At one go And being able to act in synchrony With the system itself The third of course Is being selfless And not stealing from future generations Those are the things That we like to discuss When we discuss What each faith What each faith's perspective On this whole thing is Now The Hindu faith comes As a sort of unbroken faith Over thousands of years And comes from a place Of seven rivers So this is a place of abundance It's not a place Where there's a desert That you're pointing out And so the thinkers here Had time to think about Abundance And how to conduct yourself In a time where everything is available And yet you must know how To safeguard the system Make sure that The water is running fine The society is running okay And so the The early songs Of this tradition The Hindu tradition Were not about As much about God They were about God But the earliest memories That we have in verse Are not about God As much as they are about order The word in the first way Which is the first book First of the four Vedas Veda is the same word as video Which is to see So when you see You have a revelation You sing and you write it down In many thousands of years later When you have a script So the first way Explores the idea of rhythm Very deeply R-T-A is the word Rhythm Now that word Is still around It echoes and reverberates Through societies And you know that word As my right hand You know that word As being righteous You know that word as As what else Rhythm The flow of things How does everything work And I give this talk And I promise myself I would not say But here I am I'm saying it again Who ripens the avocado?  Now They didn't have avocados then But they still thought about What makes everything work Right What is the inherent order Behind things And this sense of order Let them do Two more words And then that unfolded into What you might think Of the Hindu concept of God But the next words were Dharma And Karma Now, Dharma is interesting Dharma is what glues Everything together It's the next relationships We have in each other Me and my family Me with my society Me with the world at large What is my duty towards you And what is my relationship with you Very complex word But all of this comes back From the original search for order Rital And once you start thinking about order You realize that everything is connected And when you realize everything is connected You realize that you cannot have Peace mean peace Two different words You cannot have word peace In just one aspect of your existence You ought to have peace in every aspect So the words I chanted to you Had the following meaning translated into English May the heavens bring us peace May peace be with the skies And may the skies shower us with peace May there be peace on earth And may the earth mother bring us peace May there be peace with the waters And may the waters bring us peace May there be peace in the earth And may the earth bring us peace May peace be with the trees And may the trees bring us peace Peace be with the divinities of the world And may they bless us with peace May the great lord of the universe Bless us with peace And may the Veda inspire us with peace May all existence be at peace And may peace come from all existence to all May there be peace only Universal peace for all May that heavenly peace come And bless me, may bless all This is a result of thousands of years Of thinking about how things work And realizing that you cannot have Something for yourself Unless everyone has some of that same thing And so when you want peace for yourself You can't just have peace for yourself You've got to share with everybody else Because only then when there's peace all around Can you have some And so this interconnected of everything Is rooted in the Hindu belief And so our gods You might think of Hindus as having many of many gods They do not have precedence over this order This order precedes everything Even the gods Even the minor gods Have to follow order And so the order precedes everything And understanding and becoming one with that order Is a core part of the Hindu belief system We've understood that through experience And through meditation We've come to this conclusion So everything for Hindus is sacred A couple of months ago I read from my family The source of the two of the seven rivers Two of those rivers we went in the Himalayas And we went to the source Not at the glacier which was melting But just at the base of the glacier We went there and there are temples To those rivers Those rivers are not merely bodies of flowing water They're holy rivers And they're divinity in their own right They have temples And I went with my family to that temple And we prayed at the temple And we offered our respects to the river And the interesting thing was This tradition has been around for thousands of years Books, the Vedas talk about places That I took my family to this summer And the same tradition has gone on in those places Rivers are sacred to us Because they're of course the source of life And so sacredness is everywhere And of course the famous thing with the Hindus Is cows are sacred And cows sacred for a variety of reasons But the one I want to bring to you here The word for cow in Sanskrit is go And go, go as in cow Which is you know cognitive Now go itself is a multi purpose word You use it for different things Go can refer to the cow It can refer to the senses Like the five senses It can refer to the earth itself And it can refer to the Vedas The holy books All of them are referred to At different times as go And so treating these as mother Is a core part of the Hindu belief system The cow is sacred because of course We drink our mother's milk And we drink the cow's milk And by that Transference the cow is our mother And so the cow is sacred So sacredness is a very core part Of the Hindu tradition Trees are sacred If you go to India You're going to see trees Have moly threads around them You'll spring out around trees Trees are sacred Rivers are sacred You know many different animals are sacred Depending on what your belief system is Sacredness is everything Because the ultimate goal Is to see all of reality As the movement of the sacred So another I'm not going to sing it But the second verse Describes that everything That moves and that does not move Is God himself The word we use is asian in that sense And so everything is divine And once you understand that Everything is sacred Your behavior with it Because you're now not only Looking after it as a story You're also to serve it Because everything is denied Is divine You cannot You cannot walk Without approval Of those divinities So to speak So divinity is important And so care-taking is very important And the spirit of sacrifice And surrender is very important When it comes to nature So I've covered the first thing We talk about the seeing Everything as a system And the synchrony of everything Hindu traditions And not just the religion itself But the tradition is very sensitive To the goings on around us So at the temple you see We're sensitive to the time of day The placement of the sun The placement of the moon The placement of the various stars And the objects that come in It depends on what's going on there Things can be consumed when they arrive Things do not need to be consumed When they're out of season Knowing when something is in season And not in season is important So a lot of the tradition is built In harmony with nature And a lot of the problems we have Are that we have I'm having avocados in a time When avocados are not in season Who knows when they're in season Because they're never in season So the thing is Re-eating ripe fruit For example is a core part of You know, how people sort of conduct themselves Another part of the harmony Is if you look at a lot of the Talk now about vegetarianism In the West It's coming out because of an eco-friendlyness Because you're saying that Eating beef has a certain amount of Carbon footprint And if you're vegetarian Then your carbon footprint reduces A wide majority of Hindus Are mostly vegetarian If they're not fully vegetarian I'm fully vegetarian I will have milk But I don't have meat Of any type And vegetarianism is a core part Of how Hindu practices are Hindus eat meat as well Some of them do But they're not always eating meat That's generally the consumption factor And in general vegetarianism Is accepted And we know how to make tasty food When it comes to vegetarian food That's the important part Because I see a lot of western people Trying to be vegetarian And within three days Giving up because There's nothing you can eat This is boiled leaves And who knows what else It's tasteless It's not satisfying Your stomach is hungry And you crave for proteins So if you need to learn vegetarianism You know Talk to your Hindu friend And tell you how to make good food It's tasty And it's filling So the pattern of life That has evolved In the Hindu tradition Is in harmony with nature That's the point That I was coming to Which comes to the third part That I want to come to Or talk about At a little more Is the idea of Understanding the connectedness And the cyclicity Of everything That what you do here Has an impact on nature And nature has an impact on you So I'll sing three verses That I'll describe This is from the Bhagavad Gita The Bhagavad Gita Is not one of the four Vedas I told you But it's considered The sum of all the Vedas And to come back to the Cow analogy The Vedas are considered The cows And the Bhagavad Gita Is considered the milk Of the Vedas Because now you milk everything And the best part of it Comes in this book So I'm going to recite From this book This is a conversation Between God himself Incondate as Krishna And talking to Arjuna This is in the middle Of a battlefield And they're having A heated debate About philosophy Because you know What else is there To discuss And here he is Describing How to conduct yourself I'm going to chant A few more Three verses This is in the voice Of Shri Krishna Yajna Shrita Shineshina Santu Muchante Sarva Kilbishai Manjate Kagampapa Yekvanchat Yatma Karana Anna Bhavan Di Bhutani Prachanyadanna Sambhava Yajna Bhavan Di Prachanyam Yajna Karmasamudhava Karma Brahmotavam Vithi Brahma Aksharasamudhavam Dasma Sarva Katam Brahma Nityam Yajne Pratishchetam What he's saying is The saintly The first verse is The saintly Who eats the leftovers Of a sacrifice Unliberated from all sins But the sinful Eat sin Who cook food Just for themselves The point of this is that If you're If what you do And you consume the labor You create something And you consume it for yourself You're cooking food for yourself That's considered Not good Why? Because you're part of the universe So when you create something You offer it back to the universe And what you And some part of that You consume for yourself So the first part is Leftovers of a sacrifice Every action that you do Is a sacrifice What you do Is helping the universe Conduct itself And I'll describe that In the next verse So you're helping the universe Work Conduct itself And what it gives you You receive back As the leftovers From that sacrifice We call it Prasad paritambu And that's a gift That you receive And you can consume that But if you make it Just for yourself You are, in a sense, stealing From the working of the universe Because you've created something That the entire universe Conspired and collaborated With you to build it And you just put it Into your back pocket And want to be So you are stealing And that's considered Not good The second part In continuation From food Our born beings From rain Food grows From sacrifice Comes the rains And sacrifice From karma Springs What he's saying is All beings are born from food That's pretty obvious The rains Cause the food to grow But what causes the rains? Sacrifice causes the rains What kind of sacrifice? Action Doing things Selflessly Is the sacrifice That causes the rains That causes the I mean So a good story That I've heard about in this context Was four boys are sitting In a field And they They're waiting for the rains So that they can actually Tilt the fields And put the Seeds in It hasn't rained So it doesn't rain In a weak elapses And they have nothing better To do this So they said Well What are you going to do It's not raining But our job is To tilt the field And put the seeds in So we're just going to start Tilting the field And putting the seeds in So they start doing their work So when they start doing their work The peacocks look at them In horror Cause they're saying Wait This is out of sync I'm supposed to be dancing Because it's raining And then these people Are supposed to be doing this stuff Now they're doing this stuff This is ridiculous I better start dancing So the peacock starts dancing Because stuff is going on Now the clouds look on And the clouds say Wait a minute There's something wrong with this picture Why is this Foo peacock dancing I haven't started raining yet And so And then the clouds say Well, he's dancing already anyway I may as well begin To at least thunder And so they began To do the lightning And then The rain gone Looks upon the clouds And says Now wait a second Why are you doing all this Thunder and sound If you're going to do all that You may as well bring So from your action Even God states their mind And gives you the result So the entire system works Because you're doing your work And so this understanding In fact that's the next verse And so the next verse is Karma from Brahma arises Knowing that Brahma Of the imperishable is born So The point of this I'm coming to is Understanding the cyclicity Of everything Understanding that the cycle Of nature works And you have to act in accordance With it It waits for you to act So you must act And nature will Act accordingly And understanding this relationship That we have With nature In accordance with nature Is an important part Of this tradition as well So to sum up If you're You know I mean a lot of eco-warriors In some of these parks across town And you're looking for a A spiritual vision For the ecology And if you're looking For a spiritual vision for the ecology Which will last you a few thousand years Then it's best to look for a Spiritual vision that has lasted A few thousand years Because if it's been around For five to ten thousand years You know that it has lasted You know the dark ages The middle ages All sorts of ups and downs Of history And that tradition Can tell you How to think about the sacred And the spiritual How to think about The interconnected of things And how to think about Not being selfish And still intro future generations For the sake of your own And with that I'll answer the questions I'll answer the questions And by describing what we've heard About Islam And I have a Christian experience And it's that caretaker Yes And together we're sort of Man as humans are put In charge kind of Am I understanding right That you're describing sort of How the human has part of the cycle And far more integrated into it That's very perceptive of you So that's actually a very interesting thing Where a king's job for example Is to take care of the project And project means anyone Anything that's been born Whether from an egg Or from a wound Or on its own So the king's job is to take care Of everything that is born Humans are not special In that sense In the tradition We are part of the system And our job is to participate In the system It's not dominion or stewardship It's a sense of sacrifice And participation Very perceptive Thank you very much What you said I mean is the same in my mind As Muslim has God created the perfect system And our being caretakers Is to kind of understand the system And facilitate it Not abuse it right Which brings us very close Oh yeah yeah You were saying the same thing But with a different We sometimes get fooled by The word caretaker But I think the caretaker Of an existing system That is already perfect On behalf of No that's a fair point That's actually right Now the actions might be similar What I was coming to From the Hindu perspective Is we arrive at the idea of God From first exploring The idea of order We infer back That the order must have Some sort of ordering entity And the nature of the self Which I'm not going to get into today I've talked about it elsewhere But for the Hindu concept of order Does not require God It just says there is order Because that's how we realize That everything seems to be connected And divine will is inferred from that And the divinity is inferred from that And that might be the only sort of thing That became the source Yes sir First of all thanks to both of the speakers It was really very stimulating Can you hear me okay? Yes I can Okay I'm wondering how How do you reconcile Or What philosophy is religion And perspectives How do you reconcile This Being in the Align with What's the greater order of things With things like the agricultural Reload she puts in Fundamental kind of transitions That happen And with sort of contemporary technology That was Could you help me think about How that works If I understood your question right You're saying that There's order that we've sort of discovered And in that order is the disruption In the form of human technology Whether it's agriculture or Modern technology and so on What's the Hindu position on that Is that the question? Yes I think the understanding that The order is supreme We see it's all the technology Is the important part And that if we do things that are Out of sync with the order The order will still reinforce itself Later in the same book He says once in a while When order breaks I come back And I come back and fix things So order when it goes out of sync Then a change is required And a change comes about Through some disaster or some kind of change Thank you Thank you very much


When we hear about serial killers, we think of them as simply people who have killed multiple times. But the term serial killer is actually very vague and covers a wide range of criminals. Here are 10 types of serial killers. 1. Organized. Organized serial killers are probably one of the firstborn children in their family and experienced inconsistent parental discipline. They are highly intelligent, socially adept, and good at controlling their mood. Consequently, they are perfectly fine living with a partner. Additionally, they like to follow media coverage of their crimes and may like changing towns or jobs often. 2. Disorganized. Disorganized serial killers are probably one of the younger children in their family and experienced harsh parental discipline. They are average in terms of intelligence, socially and sexually incompetent, and highly emotional. Consequently, they often prefer to live alone. Additionally, they like to stay near their crime scenes but don't follow media coverage of their crimes. In general, they have little to no change in lifestyle. 3. Organized and Disorganized Serial Killers Being organized or disorganized are not mutually exclusive. For example, people believe that John Wayne Gacy possessed characteristics of both types. An organized serial killer might become disorganized right before being detected, and a disorganized serial killer might become organized when he or she manages to escape the authorities and learns how to commit their crimes well. 4.  They feel thrill and excitement from the power and authority they get when committing their crimes. For example, Bonnie and Clyde are considered crime spree killers. 5. Mass Murderers Mass murderers are beliefs to follow the deets model which is largely theoretical and doesn't have significant empirical evidence. In general, the deets model categorizes mass murderers into groups such as family annihilators, pseudo-commandos, and set-and-run killers. 6.  Some examples are Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. 7. Custodial Custodial serial killers murder people who are under their care.  They often use affixiation and medication overdose to murder their patients. Custodial killers have the highest number of females out of all serial killer typologies. 8.  Those who have persecutory delusions believe they're simply defending themselves from someone who wants to harm them, while those with grandiose delusions believe they're chosen by a divine being to save the world from their victims. One such serial killer is the son of Sam. 9. Organized Crime Organized crime functionaries are made up of professional killers, also known as Hitmen. They most often kill for money, but also enjoy feeling power and control over their victims. Gang members and political assassins fall under this category. And those are the 10 types of serial killers. If you enjoy this video, don't forget to subscribe to our channel and our other social medias. Thanks for watching!


to enable exploring virtual disks using the five virtual disks. Let me start by explaining why we need this. So we all know the basics of virtualization. We take physical lists, and we deploy our work and our applications in virtual machines that run on top. And by now, we're pretty well aware of the benefits of virtualization. Just to name a few, the additional isolation level that we get from virtual machines provides us with better security. We can emulate operating systems that are different than the base operating system that is installed on the host. It makes our applications easier to back up and move across physical hosts, and so on. When we think about those benefits, we see that they stem from the additional obstruction level that virtual machines provide on top of the base operating system. So this obstruction is generally good, but it comes with a cost. And I would like to focus on a specific one. How can we inject files from the physical host to the virtual machine, and vice versa? How can we extract files from the virtual machine to the physical host? Let's consider two different cases. One, we have a running virtual machine, and let's say that we want to copy a file from within the guest to the physical host. So I try to think about the possible solutions that are available today. Some of them are internet-based. I can upload the file from the virtual machine using my email. If the file is small enough, for larger files, I can use some file-sharing services. For larger files, I can use file-sharing services, such as blog docs, movement, and so on. The problem with these kind of solutions is that they are based on uploading via the internet, and therefore, they are relatively slow. Alternatively, I can use SCP or set an edifest share on the physical host and mount it into the virtual machine. That way, all the transmissions are over the land, and therefore, it is faster. But on the other hand, it is more complex for the end users. And lastly, I can use guest agent-based solution. Some vendors allow to share a file from the physical host with the virtual machine. Some others run some service within the virtual machine that exposes its file to the outside world. The problem with this kind of solution is that they are not general enough. They are vendor-specific. And now the second case. Let's say that I have just the virtual disk, the file. So what will be our options this time? Disk is not bootable. Then we can start a virtual machine and attach the disk to that virtual machine. Then we can access this content all within the guest. If the disk is bootable, we can do the same, or we can simply boot the disk for the VM from the disk. In both cases, we need to make additional steps, and then we fall back to the previous problem of the running VM. So these solutions, both of these solutions are slower and more complicated than the one I mentioned before. And specifically, the case of booting the VM from the disk notes that no other process can write to the disk at the same time because the VM opens the disk with right permissions. The alternative solution I would like to talk about is about combining, integrating two projects, new commander and libgstFS, to produce a file manager that we can browse and modify virtual disks with. Let's talk a bit about those tools. So libgstFS is a set of tools for accessing and modifying the virtual machine disk images. It supports almost every format of virtual disk that is available to the DMDK queue current, so it can access remote disk images. It operates in a secure way. It can access proprietary systems like Hyper-V and the email, which is important for V2V process for migrating VMs for the value of one window to open another environment of a different network. All those capabilities and more are available via command line tips, such as guest vision build rescue. There is no integrated user interface in libgstFS, which brings us to new commander. That's what users say about new commander. It is when I've been involved in new commander for more than 10 years now, some of them as a contributor, and some of them as a vendor for the job. So I definitely agree with that. Seriously, it's a lot easier. New commander is a file manager with a dual-pane interface, such as the total commander, normal commander, midnight commander, and so on. But what makes new commander really special is the fact that it is cross-platform. It is written in German, and therefore is one of every operating systems for the super-host job. That's how the new commander looks. We see that you are trying and an analog for connecting to an S&P server. We'll see more of that in the straight-up. New commander is really a feature-packed application that supports various archive forms, such as S&P, archive forms, such as V, so various protocols, such as S&P, S&P, S&P, and so all the common file versions, three main moves, what is going to be done, really easy to see the new commander. Now I want to demonstrate to you that the integration can actually work and what we can get out of it. So I have a virtual machine that is installed with Fedora. I log into that VM. And I'll browse to my home folder. Inside my home folder, I have a folder called FOSDAM that includes a text file with the following content. FOSDAM to 2019. Now let's say that I want to copy this file from the guest to the host machine, to my laptop. So using the new commander, I can go to the disk image. By default, the disk images reside in a valid live images when using virt manager. It takes a bit time to query the data. I will speak about it a bit later, but eventually we get it. We can enter the ETC folder. Let me enter my home folder and specifically the FOSDAM folder inside. And we see the text file. Let me create a folder inside my TMP folder on the laptop. Let's call it demo. And I can, with a single click, copy the file from the disk to my machine. Now let's open the local file and you see the same content. Now I will close new commander and I'll shut down the VM. You may wonder how come that new commander managed to access the file while the VM booted from this disk. So the answer to that is here. You see this part? This part, new commander provides live guest FES parameters that specify that the disk should be opened in read-only mode. So let's change it and I'll start new commander again. This time we will be able to write to the disk. So I'll open it again. Note that in this demo I use a disk of QCao2 format but every format that is supported by live guest FES should work the same. So I have the content and let's go to the local file that we downloaded before and let's add some text to it. Now I'll go to my home folder. I'll create another folder called FOSDEM2 and I'll copy the modified file to the disk. Now I'll show you that this file actually is actually accessible from within the guest with the modified content. I'll go to my home folder and we see the new folder FOSDEM2 that includes the text file. I'll open it and we see also the add some text I just, yeah. Okay, so that's what I wanted to demonstrate. And now that we saw that this can actually work and what we can get from this integration I would like to speak about the more interesting stuff that are related to the design and implementation of this feature. Specifically I want to talk about three things. It was not as trivial as it may sound to model virtual disks in Mu Commander. And there are two projects involved with different API and there were some conflicts between them that had to be bridged. And lastly, this integration is different than all the extensions that are currently supported in Mu Commander which makes it a bit more difficult to ship it to users and we'll see why. So let's start with the modeling part. In Mu Commander we have three types of files. Archive files, those are files in the inside file systems that contain files and folders inside. There are protocol files, those are remote file system that you need to connect to, generally authenticate and connect to and local files, those are all the other files that reside on my local machine. Obviously the best fit for virtual disks is archive files, right? But in practice the fact that virtual disks are relatively large files means that we want to query them in a lazy way. And in Mu Commander archive files, so in Mu Commander only protocol files are queried in a lazy way. So eventually I did map virtual disks as two archive files but the query thingy was one of the gaps that had to be bridged. So let's start with it. Besides the need to query large files in a lazy way, I'll actually say it differently. Mu Commander used to query the entire content of archive files when querying files. But with virtual disks, not only that they are large and we cannot do that, also the API of LibGestFS doesn't support such querying. LibGestFS supports a query only particular folders within the virtual disk. And therefore that was one of the things that I needed to overcome. The way I overcome this, it is kind of a hack but it was good for this demonstration, this POC was by introducing code that walks over the entire structure of the disk. I use the visitor pattern specifically, but ideally we need to come up with a better solution for that, which probably mean to change Mu Commander to query all files, not only protocol files but also archive files in a lazy way. The second get I want to present to talk about is related to the way Mu Commander reads and writes files. Mu Commander abstracts all the files using streams and that allows Mu Commander to do some cool stuff. Let's say that I want to copy a file from an SFTP server to an SMB folder. Mu Commander can hold two streams to both source and destination, read the packet from the source and immediately transmit it to the destination. That way, files are copied without being persisted anywhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the API of LibGestFS doesn't support streams, specifically the API for Java. They only supports local files and standard input output. So again, I implemented some hack and I used temporary files. Let me explain it by example. Let's say that I want to copy a file to the virtual machine, then I read the packet from the source stream, from the stream that is connected to the source, save it, write it to a local temporary file and then ask LibGestFS to copy from the temporary file to the destination within the virtual disk. This is not that efficient, right? This is another step but it is not that bad because the temporary files are local files. Ideally, we should change the binding of LibGestFS to support streams. That will solve that problem. And now about chipment. Usually, in Mu Commander, we take the Java clients that are provided by other projects and integrate them into Mu Commander. In LibGestFS, there is no Java client. There is a Java binding that includes also the Java products that we needed at compilation time. This raises two difficulties. One, we obviously don't want to duplicate the Java file to Mu Commander because it should already be accessible on the host. And second, LibGestFS Java might be missing on the host. I plan to overcome this problem by introducing this functionality as a plugin that will be installed separately on the host and it will declare LibGestFS Java and specifically the version that we test the plugin with as a dependency. That's the plan. And now let's talk about some open questions. So we saw in the demonstration that it takes some time to list the content of the disk. That's because it is shown from the guest level view as if the user has saved the guest and list the content of the disk. This requires LibGestFS to inspect the operating system within the disk which is a relatively slow operation. Not only that, it also requires the disk to be installed with an operating system and in case the virtual machine is set with multiple disks to have all the disks together in order to ensure that we can produce this view. Alternatively, we can provide file system view, list all the file systems and list the content of each of them separately. This will not, that way we will not suffer from the drawbacks I mentioned before, but it is harder for the end users because users don't necessarily always know on which file system the file they are looking for resides. They know where it resides only from the guest point of view. So my current plan is to combine those two views to provide both of them to the user and let the user decide which one he wants to use. Secondly, there's a question of whether to interact with LibVirt. Not only that LibVirt can provide us all the virtual disks that the VM is set with which is needed for the guest level view but it can also tell us what is the status of the VM whether it is running or not and by that we can figure out if we can open the disk for writing or we have to open it in read only mode but that introduces additional complexity so we'll need to consider that. And lastly, about caching. New commander is used to cache the content of the queried files and to update their content only when the modification date of the file is changed but in practice I see that with virtual disks the modification date of the file is changed regardless of actual changes in the content of the disk so we will need to come up with a different solution for caching. Now the functionality I present here is part of a broader view and I want to talk in few words about the vision. I want to reach a state where new commander is a truly pluggable file manager. Let's say that we will turn new commander into a core part and all the extensions will be implemented as plugin so some of them will provide the existing functionality some will provide the support for virtual disks and there are many more candidates such as Dropbox, Google Drive, even Overt listing the storage domains inside Overt and many others. The fact that new commander is written in Java allows us to leverage Java clients that are typically are provided by different projects and the fact that new commander is cross platform makes it really attractive to other projects because they can reach broader audience, right? Now a word about the roadmap this functionality is planned to be shipped in the next version of new commander 0.9.4. Past experience shows that I'm able to release a new version of new commander once a year. The last version, I released three updates so because I expect the next one to be complex and it will take time but hopefully I'll be able to ship it later this year. To sum up, in this session I present an integration between two projects that produce a file manager that we can browse and modify virtual disks with. It comes in the form of a plugin for new commander that uses libgstfs behind the scenes. In a way, this integration can provide the user interface that is missing for libgstfs. This, as you might have noticed is really in its early phase, this development. So I published the POC in November, discussed it on the libgstfs mailing list. And really if you have ideas or you want to contribute either code documentation in whatever way you want, I really encourage you to do that. All feedback is welcome. You can join our group at Gitter and that's our Gitter page of new commander and both website of the two tools that are involved. That's all from my side and now I'll be happy to take questions. Safe integration? Safe? I'll repeat the question. The question was whether we consider integration with safe. Yeah, why not? I mean, once we have a good plugin architecture there's no reason not to support safe and other formats and protocols, yes. Hopeful, I mean it would be best if it will be contributed by the community. That would be ideal. Yes. So for LVM based virtual machines that might have their PV spread across multiple disk files, is that something that's working via the guest view? Yes, yes. So the question was about when we use LVM that are set above on top of physical volumes that reside on different disk, on different files. So yeah, that's why we need all the disks to be provided and then LibGest to first do the job for us and create that, combine that and produce the guest level view. And that's some of the motivation to use LibVert to be able to provide all the input that is needed. More questions? Yes. There's also the way of using plan manifest and work manager. Sorry, I didn't follow. You can also use plan manifest and work manager. 9FS? Exchanges files between those and I guess the main PFS. 9PFS. I don't know what is that. Another solution for the relation between the college names and extra use, 9PFS and 3PFS. Ah, okay. But. We're going to take a basis. This one is for the recording. Yes, so I didn't get the name though, so if you can repeat the name of it. 9PFS. So the question is whether about 9PFS that provides an alternative way to share a file between the host and the virtual machine. So I don't know that particular one, but I guess, I mean, you say it is provided by Virt Manager. What if we use a different, like not Virt Manager, but OVirt for example. So this is, I consider this solution part of the vendor specific stuff, right? I want to. It's your base, so it's almost coming with a KVM out of the box. Okay. And it's pretty fast. Okay, so if you add the support in OVirt, so let's say, okay, it will be provided for KVM, but then what about other hypervisors? I mean. Okay, so time's up. So thank you all for attending.