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I should tell you, I don't have a very loud voice, so in case you can't hear me, please let me know. I remember my friend Bob Nozick once started a lecture by saying, can everybody hear me in the back? And somebody yelled out, we can't hear you in the front. And he said, well, go to the back where you can hear me. And I have today to talk to you about the more philosophical aspects of the subject. They remind me my friend, Father James Sadowski, who taught philosophy at Harvard. He was a great friend of Murray Rothbard. Used to tell his classes, the word philosophy comes from the Greek word philosophia, which means philosophy. I should tell you also, if you want a very quick understanding of praxeology and the issues I'll be discussing in this lecture, sort of a painless way to acquire this such knowledge is to read the preface. It's just a few pages that Murray Rothbard wrote to Mises' theory and history in the reissue of that book by the Mises Institute. He covers all the essential points in a very easy to understand fashion, a much easier presentation than you'll be getting in this lecture, I should say. So Mises considered economics part of a general science of human action. In doing that, it was a very different definition of economics from that common in the 19th century, where economics was sometimes defined as the science of wealth. So what the notion of praxeology is is that economics isn't limited to just one particular kind of action. It's, say, money making. It covers all human action. And Mises says that economics is the best developed branch of praxeology. It's funny, people will always talk about possible other branches of praxeology. Sometimes people will refer to a theory of violent action or theory of games where that's understood in a different sense from the mathematical theory of games. But nobody ever really comes up with any of the other branches. So economics is really pretty closely the same as praxeology. Sometimes people use the word catalactics to mean economics involving exchanges, particularly money exchanges. As you will have already gathered from the previous two lectures, if you didn't know this already, the method of used in praxeology is quite different from that used in mainstream economics. Say the economics you would get if you were taking a class in economics at one of the major universities. And one thing I'll be discussing in the lecture is what are some of the differences. In praxeology, we begin with some slight difference between Mises and Murray Rothbard here, but it doesn't really amount to that much. From the concept of action or the axiom that human beings act, now what do we mean by action? It's any kind of behavior with a purpose, any time we use a means to achieve an end. One thing very important to understand when we talk about action, we're talking about phenomena that take place in the world. Sometimes people have a picture because praxeology is a deductive science, as I'll be talking about. They think, well, if it's deductive, that means it's somehow in your mind, and then they'll have a problem. How do we know if it's in my mind? How do we know it's out there in the world? But what we're talking about in praxeology is not various ideas or concepts that we have, but the actions what's there in the world. And this will normally involve a movement of someone's body. Say, I want some water, so I pick up the bottle of water, and I drink from it. So I had a means. I wanted to satisfy my thirst, so I had the bottle of water. It was the means. And then I drank, so that's use of means to achieve an end. Now as I say, normally this will involve, action involves movement of the body, but it doesn't have to. Now probably you're thinking there, well, you're thinking of a case where somebody is just waiting, and you read that counts as action also, but there are other cases as well. For example, suppose I were running a meeting, and I said there was a motion. Somebody proposed something like let's lynch the lecture, and then I say all those in favor of the motion please signify by remaining seated. So you've all remained seated, so you've performed the action of voting in favor of lynching me. So see, this would be a case where you can act without moving your body, but most cases of action aren't like that. So from this idea of action or the axiom that human beings act, plus a few supplementary postulates, the rest of praxeology is deduced. The supplementary postulates are there's a disutility of labor. Normally when we labor in the sense we're exerting energy to achieve some end that we want, we get tired after a while. We don't want to continue the activity. And this is something that isn't something that we can just know by thinking about it. It's just added as a supplementary posture. Also, there's a variety of goods and services would be added to the action axiom. And from this, the science of praxeology is deduced. Now, when we talk about deduction, it's very important that we understand what's meant by that. For those of you who've taken mathematical logic, of course, in that you think, well, the deduction that we do in praxeology doesn't at all resemble deduction as you learned it in these courses. Because in mathematical logic, we have everything set out formally. We're having symbols that we have. We have formal proofs of these various theorems by deduction rules. But this isn't what's taking place in praxeology. Praxeology deduction is what's called material deduction where we're thinking about what's involved in the concept of action. So at each step, we have to understand what we're saying. And we have a knowledge of what action is. And then we're trying to draw out from this knowledge what's involved in action. This is what's meant by deduction. It's not a process where we can just follow certain formal rules. And then in that kind of deduction, we're really not interested in interpreting each step of a deduction. As long as we know what's applying the rules properly, we just want to know the conclusion. Then we can get an interpretation of that. So the steps are just mechanical ways of getting to the conclusion. But in praxeology, it's different. We have to understand every step so we know why each step is true. Here is a few examples of what's meant by deduction in the sense of drawing out what is involved in our concept of action. One I've given already, every action uses means to achieve an end. And every action is a choice between alternatives. One thing very important here, which is very different from mainstream classical economics, is that the alternatives that the chooser and the actor is considering, the various preferences that he's ranking, exist only when the actor is choosing. And neoclassical economics involves very often setting up very elaborate preference scales. And they'll have all possible combinations of choices that people will make covering all sorts of alternatives. But in praxeology, we're only interested in the alternatives that an actor is considering at a particular moment. And another difference here that is very much related to one I've just mentioned is that in neoclassical economics, there are various rules that people will give the sort of requirements for rational preferences. For example, one is that preferences have to be transitive. For example, I shouldn't have this preference ordering. I prefer A to B, B to C, and C to A. That would be intransitive preference. So in neoclassical economics, that's considered an irrational set of preferences. But we don't have that in Austrian economics. Mises has a discussion of that in human action somewhere around 105 or so. He says, we don't use the have the transitivity axiom. So that's a big difference. Another example would be one in neoclassical economics. They have what's called a certain if you have a choice between two options and you prefer A to B. And then a third option is introduced that shouldn't make you change your preference between A and B. Example this violates a story about a waitress who said to the customer, you have a choice between apple pie and peach pie. The customer said, well, I'll take apple pie. So then a few minutes later, the waitress came back and said, I forgot to mention, we also have cherry pie. So he says, oh, well, in that case, I'll take a peach pie. So that would violate this axiom of independence of irrelevant alternatives. So again, that isn't used in Austrian economics. It's a very minimal conception use of preferences. Only the choices that are an actor is actually considering are the ones that we're interested in. And further point is that the actor will always choose his highest value alternative. Say, if you're here listening to this lecture that indicates you preferred doing that to doing something else, you might have regret the choice now that that's another matter. But that was your preference.  So you're not really saying anything.  But that isn't right. The claim is you have a certain ranking of your preferences. And in fact, you will choose the one that's highest.  It's making the substantive claim. And I should say, there's some people who don't accept that. Some philosophers talk about strong cases of weakness of will, kind of strong weakness of will. It's kind of an odd term. But they would deny that. They would say it makes sense to say, sometimes you don't choose the one you value the highest. But in Austrian economics, we're denying that strong weakness of will is possible. You always will choose your highest value preference. Now, one thing that was covered in Joe Salerno's lecture, but it's very important to go over it again, is a means is whatever an actor thinks will help him realize his goal. So it doesn't matter if the means won't work, if, say, you have an enemy and you think that making a small doll of that person and sticking pins in it will cause that person harm, then you're doing that as a means to the end of causing that person harm, even if that's not an effective way of doing. So of course, for all I know, it might actually be an effective way of doing harming someone. I've never tried it. You always knew things you can try out. But it's regardless of, again, regardless of how one might think that the actor's choice, that's considered a rational action. He's using what he thinks as a means to attain his goal. We could have cases where, say, you might think there's something wrong with the something peculiar about the person's end, like supposing somebody decides to think he's the emperor Napoleon and decides to write pamphlets letting people know that he's the emperor Napoleon. That would still count as an action in the Austrian sense, even if you would think, well, the person's goal is based on false information, the false belief that the person is the emperor Napoleon. It's still action. So as Mises says in Epistemological Problems of Economics, he says, in dealing with price economics does not act what things are in the eyes of other people, but only what they are in the meaning of those intent on getting them. So it's a very subjective view of what preferences are. And what action is. It's whatever the actor regards means to achieve his end. And economics doesn't make judgments about what the end is, say, if that's what somebody wants. That's just accepted, because if we're trying to explain someone's action, what's important is what are the goals, what is the end that the person has, and what are the means that the person regards appropriate to attain those ends. To go on a bit with this, when we're trying to explain action, I say we're concerned with what the actor prefers. So economics isn't a normative discipline. It doesn't tell you what you should choose. It's saying people choose certain means to achieve an end, but it doesn't say you're right or wrong to want something. Say if somebody wants to devote his life to eating as much ice cream as he possibly can. Practicality wouldn't say that's either a good or bad choice of end. It would just say that's what the person has chosen. So in explaining the action, that's what we're considering. Now, it doesn't follow from that that there aren't any such things as objective judgments of value. Somebody could hold there are objective judgments and value, but it's just that there aren't involved in economics. Mises took the view that there weren't objective judgments of value. All that there are are subjective preferences that that's all there is to it. But that view of his certainly has arguments for that view. That is a philosophical view. That isn't part of praxeology or economics. Somebody could hold. It's just that in economics, we don't make such judgments. Now, when I said that economics doesn't make judgments evaluate the values that people hold, it wasn't entirely true. It's one of quite a number of false statements you'll find in this lecture. That was supposed to be a joke. But yes, you know, I always feel sometimes it's I always at this point of people don't laugh at my jokes, but much worse than that is if people laugh at what I intend as serious comments that's happened on occasion. So the way that what I said wasn't entirely true is that economics doesn't evaluate ultimate ends. If someone says, well, here's what I want. I don't have any reason for this. This is it. This is what I want. I just want to eat as much ice cream as possible. Economics, praxeology couldn't say you shouldn't have such an end. But what praxeology could say is if you think that something is a means to achieve a certain end, we can evaluate that. We could say, say if you thought eating as much ice cream as possible as a way to maximize your resistance to disease, that would be a statement we could evaluate. Now, when in praxeology, what we're interested in is not particular actions that people do not think of like you're coming to this lecture or you're eating ice cream, but what's involved in any action? What could we call the form of the action as opposed to the matter of the action? What is it about behavior that's required to make an action? And so we're considering the form what's involved in any action. And praxeology, in trying to answer that question, what's the form of an action? Doesn't make quantitative claims about action. For example, suppose we say lowering the price of a good while other things being equal result an increase in quantity demanded of the good.  It'll just say there'll be an increase. Mises takes a view. In human action, there aren't any constants. There aren't any things that can be measured so we could come up with numerical laws about action. We could just have general claims about what is the form of an action. A key principle of praxeology is that only individuals act. Say we could talk about each of you coming to this lecture, but we couldn't talk in the same way of the group of you, the people in the audience listening to the lecture unless that was analyzed in terms of each person here listening to the lecture. We say the group you're all listening to the lecture, the group is listening. That would just be analyzed as each individual is listening. So it's only the individuals are acting. Now, sometimes methodological individualism is misunderstood as the more radical claim that nations and classes don't exist. But that isn't right. We say, for example, the US declared war on Japan on December 8th, 1941. That's to be analyzed in terms of certain people. President Roosevelt gave a speech to Congress and various people in Congress voted a resolution of war. And after that, various other people did various things. So that would be what meant by the US declared war on Japan. We certainly wouldn't be a good way of thinking there's no such thing as the United States or no such thing as Japan. Now, you might think this principle that only individuals act seems obvious, but there are people who've denied it. And at the time, Mises was writing human action. Those people were more prominent than they are. Now, for example, there was a professor at University of Vienna who was a very big enemy of Mises named Ottmar Spahn. And he said, it's the group that's primary, not the individual. So it's the group that's acting. What Mises was very concerned to argue against that. Now, as the start of the lecture, I mentioned that press theology is using a different method from the ones that's used in mainstream economics. And the way that it's different is in mainstream economics, they follow a method that's like that used in the physical sciences. So what's done is that the economists will come up with a formal model that will have certain axioms, where axiom is used very differently from praxeology, where praxeology, an axiom of action is something that's claimed to be true. But in axiom is used in mathematics, it's just a starting point. You're not claiming that the axiom is true. It's just your drawing. You have certain axiom. You have a formal deductions from that. And then you have testing to see whether what you deduce, your model, is correct. So you see the extreme difference between the Austrian method and the mainstream. And the mainstream is, the Austrian method is you're at every step, you know what you're claiming is true.  So the mainstream supporters say, well, the reason we should proceed in this way where you come up with a certain formal model and testing is that that's the way science has progressed since the scientific revolution that the view is, well, up until the 16th century, really, people were just trying to speculate about the natural world just by following Aristotle or just trying to deduce what the nature of motion was just by thinking about it. But that wasn't very successful until we started getting Galileo and others who were actually performing experiments. Knowledge has really progressed this tremendously. I don't think that's really such an accurate picture of science. But regardless of that, even if it were, the Austrian view would be, in economics, it isn't like the physical sciences. In the physical sciences, say, we're looking at objects externally. Say, if we see, look at two physical particles in motion, all we can do is look at them and see, do experiments, see what happens. But in human action, we know action from the inside since we ourselves are acting. So we have a different way of understanding based on our own knowledge of action. We know what it is to act in a way that we don't know what would be the case with the physical particles. And say, if you have an experiment where you roll a ball down an inclined plane, you really won't know what's going to happen until you see what it does. You could have a deduction of what you think will happen. You'll have to test it out. But human action isn't like that. Now, supposing there is a problem that the supporters of this mainstream view will have, if they claim that their method, that's to say, the one that you start off with a certain model and then test it out, they say, that's the only way you can attain knowledge. Now, getting to a problem is that that claim itself, that's to say, this is the only way you can get knowledge, is a philosophical claim. It isn't itself the product of modeling and testing. So how do they know? It would seem, how do they know this claim is true if it is what they say is to get knowledge, you have to model things and test them. But that wasn't modeled and tested. So how are they supposed to know that? I think that sometimes people will make, in the science is very often, people will make claims about certain philosophical points that they think are scientific, but they're actually not. So supposing we don't think that the mainstream supporters of the scientific, so-called scientific method have made out a good case. Now we come to the key question, how do we know that the principles of praxeology are true? It isn't say just because the Mises says so and Rothbard says, so how do we know that what you're learning this week really is true? And this question has led to a lot of confusion, but I'm gonna suggest there's a very easy answer. I think sometimes in philosophy, there's a tendency to wanna come up with complicated answers when we don't need them. I'll give some examples of that a bit later, but the matter is quite simple, is that the action action is something that's obviously true. As soon as we understand it, we grasp it, it's true. We don't need to get support from it from other things. It isn't the only such obviously true statement, for example, others might be, I have a body, the earth has been, other people exist, or the earth has been around a lot longer than I am, or the earth is larger than I am. These are obviously true statements. They're not ones that we have to subject to further testing to find out whether they're true. Sometimes in philosophy, these obviously true statements are called Moorian facts after the great British philosopher, Gene Moore, who emphasized facts of this kind, a great deal in his philosophical work, working a very famous paper called, he said, how can we prove there's an external world? He said, well, I'm holding up one hand here, I'm holding up another hand, so there are two hands, therefore there's an external world. So what he's doing there, he's appealing to certain obvious facts as something that's not subject to further challenge or required testing. So it's similar in praxeology, the axiom that human beings act is just something that's obviously true. So these obvious truths can be known to be true just by thinking of them, and they can't be overthrown by further observation. It isn't that, say, something's going to come up in the future to show that human beings never did act. This was all a false claim. All the facts are in, it isn't up for further testing. So this is one way of defining a priori truth, one that is not subject to further testing. It's known to be true, that's all there is to it. Some philosophers, such a very famous American philosopher, W. V. O. Kwai, who claimed in a paper in 1951 Two Dogmas of Empiricism that there aren't any a priori truths. He thought everything is subject to further testing, but I don't think he's really come up with good reasons for thinking that, he said everything is, the world faces experience as a whole when he thought we can't single out particular propositions that are never just known to be true and that's it, but that claim doesn't seem to me to be a correct one. Now, one perhaps controversial point I'll mention, there are some people who had as well, how do we discover these obvious truths, ones that are supposed to be immune to overthrow by future observation? So some people will appeal to a certain fact about certain statements that, for example, suppose I say, I don't exist, probably many of you wishing that was a true statement but suppose I say, I don't exist. So I couldn't say I don't exist unless I did exist because if I don't exist, I can't make the statement I don't exist. So this kind of case is called a performative contradiction in which my making a certain statement shows that the statement is false. If I say, for example, I never, I say in English, I never in my life spoken sentence in English. My saying that shows that the statement is false since that is an English sentence. So some people have suggested, well that's a test for a priori truth but it isn't true of all a priori truth. For example, suppose I say two plus two equals five, which is false, necessarily false statement. So my saying that it isn't that I could only say two plus two equals five if two plus two equals four. So that would be a case of a priori. I couldn't show that two plus two equals four by showing that a statement denying it is a performative contradiction. Now, one point that could be raised is in the claim that obvious truths that I've made vulnerable to objection. Suppose I'm a brain in a vat and I'm being manipulated by scientists to think I have a body. Wouldn't I have the same experiences as I have right now? So how can I say that my claim I have a body or I'm acting is immune to further observation? Well, to answer this, I think raise a key point is that praxeology is not an attempt, although to answer the philosophical question of skepticism about the external world. Remember, praxeology or economics is one of the sciences. It may not use the same method as a physical sciences, but it's one of the sciences. And in the sciences, we take for granted that the world exists, say, for example, if an astronomer is looking at certain stars, he wouldn't say, well, how do I know that there's actually anything that I'm looking at? I mean, there might be cases where things are defects in his telescope, but the notion that all the data could be the result of illusion is not one that comes up in the sciences. We take the existence of the world for granted. It would be rather odd if, say, imagine say, economists were talking about what are the causes of the 2008 recession. If somebody said, oh, well, look, you're talking about asking about the cause of the recession, but we have to establish there's an external world first. We haven't done that. That really wouldn't make sense. So, and related point is praxeology is not an attempt to solve a philosophical problem of other minds. This problem is both, I know, well, I know I'm thinking myself, but how do I know anyone else is thinking, maybe you're all robots who've been pre-programmed to emit certain sounds. How do I know there actually are any other minds? That isn't a question that praxeology is concerned with. Praxeology is not about my mind or my actions, but with actions, which are actions out there in the world. There isn't a problem of how do I take of a cognitive leap where I say, how do I go from my own thoughts to what's true of other people? It starts with actions, the actions of out there in the world. The point that I made, one of the points I made about that the praxeology is a priori true that these statements are immune from further testing is in conflict with Carl Popper's famous false viability criterion for scientific statements, because what Popper said was, in order to count as a scientific statement, we have to, it has to be capable of being shown false by future observation. We have to be able to specify some observation that would show the statement be false. For example, suppose I say all swans are white, that could be falsified if, by coming up with a black swan, that wasn't white. So what the problem here is that Popper has just arbitrarily ruled out a priori truce ones that can't be shown to be false as scientific, because he just said, look, there has to be some possible observation that would show the statement is false, otherwise it's not scientific. So therefore, a priori statements can't be scientific, but that's just an arbitrary definition of scientific and Mises responds to that in one of his, I think his last book, Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science was to say, well, Popper should have just looked at what's actually done in economics, rather than come up with some sort of preconceived notion of what science is. And I think one reason I mentioned Popper in this, I'll end on, is that one of the greatest obstacles, or perhaps the greatest obstacle to consideration of practicality by economists is the influence of Popper and his followers, especially ones that call themselves critical rationalists, because they hold that everything is tentative. All that we have are conjectures and they'll have views such as, there's no good reason to believe anything. Well, I suppose there's no good reason to believe that, then I don't believe it. So I should say that the Popperian views or their popular among economists aren't really that popular anymore among mainstream philosophers of science, but the basic difference here is just in the reluctance to accept that we actually know things. And as I've hoped to show in this lecture, that reluctance is not to be found in praxeology. We do know things in praxeology, right? Thank you.


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Even the students with an E, there are courses available for them. Yes, vocational training. Vocational training. Absolutely. And anyone who does a D plus and above can start from certificate and they can go to diploma. And the same person actually can go to university. So that is the first thing you have been doing. But now what is most exciting about this year, we have realized not every area has these facilities. So we are building up digital centers across the country. To help young people that if you come to this space, you will find 15 opportunities available for you. You don't have to go looking for the opportunities. We want to concentrate opportunities, the information about opportunities. But secondly, we want to give you a way you can apply for them because I've found almost 90% of opportunities for young people. Because I was about to ask the process of application. The process of application is online. Online, okay. So if you go on a website, you upload documents, but the problem is that some of these applications you can't even do in the form. They are very, very tedious. And they are heavy. So I had an experience of helping some young people from where I come from in Murangatu to apply for help. And they really travelled far to get a proper working size. So we asked ourselves, why don't you set up some digital centers? So we have got in two partners already. In 2021, you're going to be setting out a number of digital centers across the country. And not just having a computer that has an internet connection. But when somebody comes over there and asks, what is available, you'll find a list of 5, 10, 15 opportunities that you can try. Because the issue is not just having a computer in your house. The issue is, do you know what that computer can help you access? And that's now where the youth connect program is coming through. Alright. That is the final program. There's another program? No. The three programs. So let's look at the coverage so far since... This year we're having an edition? Yes, we have an edition. So it's going to be the fourth edition. So let's look at the coverage in the span of those four years. So we have the red slots. We started with El Ger Marakot County. Oh, this image is always moving. So we started with El Ger Marakot County in 2016. In 2017 we did El Ger Marakot County. In 2018. And then 2019 we did Kipian. We did Nairobi. We started doing the enterprise in Nairobi. We did Murangah County. In 2020 we were supposed to have gone to West Pokot County. But corona happened. But now because corona is here to stay. But there is no post corona. Corona is here to stay. It's on new normal. So in 2021 we're going to do Murangah County, like Kipia County, El Ger Marakot County, West Pokot County and Nairobi County. And I'm curious how you're going to achieve that. Considering from the images that you've gotten to see, it's... When it comes to the... Terrated. Yes, it's full packed. I can tell you, it's... You must love travel. You must love heavy logistics to enjoy this. Otherwise, the biggest job around organizing Mentathon is the logistical side of it. Because we have to get mentors. And I always say we cannot get late going to meet high school students. We can't say an event starts at 8. And we land there at 10. So it's a very exciting, especially for me, very exciting planning for the event. But now with corona we have to think technology. And we actually... I think I even mentioned this before. We are trying to seek some few broadcast partners. Because if you cannot make two high school students, two schools to meet according to the Ministry of Education rules, we can meet them on the screen because every school has a TV screen. That's very sure. So we have to be extremely creative. As I'm saying, corona is not going away. It is us to do that. So we'll do a mix of events. What we call town hall events. For high schools, we are almost getting the idea on how you're going to run it out. But I can assure you, 2021, Mentathon is back live. We cannot wait for corona to go away because it's not going away anyway. Absolutely. We don't even know what next is coming. Learn how to live with it. So if I come to Y254, please be very kind to us. Yes, we will be kind to you. You just have to approaches the right way. No, we are good at approaches. We have very good successes. I think part of our success that Max mentioned is partners. With youth connect thinking, one of the things we do is we work with partners that help us achieve what you want to achieve. We work with people like Helb, we work with people like Kastinab, we work with people like KCCA, we work with partners like Banks, we work with partners like even Kenjana, we work with partners like KMTC. We look for partners who have something to offer for the young people. So when you go and work with Helb, then Y254 is the best option for you. Now Y254 is the newest kid on the block. And the best option for you because it's all about the youth and their people. So you decide to work together with us, let's say in a bit 25 or 30. I'm just telling you it's the best option that you get. Or 30,000 young people will be watching it for 10 minutes. It's the only best option that you get. So you do not lose this opportunity. At the end of it all, Oscar, this is a business. Let's look at it in a business angle. How do you monetize? And I was coming to that. So how do you monetize this? I can tell you, because of the expenses involved, nambawan is partners. So being an unprofit, we work with getting partners on board. But what we offer partners is nambawan and audience. This partners, that's what I was telling you, we get partners who have something to offer for young people. Kastneba have courses. They have a beautiful introductory course for even students who don't make it for the threshold of the main CPAs. So how do we let this opportunity available in Kastneba? Even SEC have the same. And we bring it to young people. So we work with complimenting partners who are looking forward to these young people coming on board. But more importantly, who offer a lifeline for these young people. That's nambawan. But secondly, we get a lot of kind donations. I mean, you have seen organizations give us vehicles, give us drivers. And mentors are not paid. It's volunteer. So you take care of your transport, you take care of your accommodation. I have to be grateful to people like Stratham University give us a bus all the time. So the bus, in case you don't have a vehicle, you get to Stratham, you get a bus to West Pokot and the bus will bring you back after four days. So those kind of partners make the program to work because we are not seeking this as a profit venture. It's a social enterprise. So just want to make sure that the costs are paid. If the costs are paid and the young people are motivated, we don't even have to make a coin out of it. So that's a model we've been using. So it's a volunteer partner's model. Alright, that is on the high school aspect of it. Let's look at the second program. Mental health enterprise. Yes. So mental health enterprise still works on the same. That's an example. We work with the bank. So we work with the bank as a training partner or we work with a provider. Let's say I'll give you an example. Just for the sake of it, you find this organization has started this program for enterprise for them. What they are looking for is all these things what you have seen work for us is we are dealing with an enterprise driven model in everything. So partners is still the best way that we get this to work. So at now, the organization you get on I'm very careful not to mention organization as you find I'm trying to scatter around it is that the organization you work with whether you find a lot of institution right now are putting up what you call a social enterprise model to their day to day business. So it is training young people is helping young people but it's helping them do their day to day business. A good example is what if the government decides that they want to register farmers and what they do they have this program and they get every young person whatever they are to be trained and they can go around in their cell phone and go and register farmers before the government would have done what would have had to recruit and pay and all those kind of things but every young person in their village has a smartphone with data it is possible for that person to do that work more cheaply but you give them a chance to do something because every young person is being asked for experience when you ask them for your CV two years of experience and I know for many young guys the most frustrating thing you think I'm just out of campus you want two years of experience but experience doesn't have to be a job I tell young people in campus please do something with clubs lead a club somewhere lead initiative somewhere in your church lead initiative somewhere wherever you want there's something that you can do and you always tell young people the easiest way to get experience is to volunteer there's always an opportunity nearby where we are to volunteer and you have seen many guys you have pushed that direction to volunteer and they end up being so good they end up being taken up so part of even helping young people to see the opportunities around them around what you call youth connect to tell them if you're a campus student and you're four months at home and you're back in in Muranga somewhere or you're back in Karachuño somewhere there must be a public institution somewhere where you are is it a school? is it a hospital? is it a government office? just come in here just come in and tell the DOO or the debt to come to commission I'm here to work tell me what I can help you with no one will fail to take help volunteering but that person what they will do to you they will train you they will tell you by the ono nazele fayalzote panga I'm going to wear new files and a stapler I want you to have some of the skills that young people lack is even how to put paperwork right in a file and I'm sure if you give somebody a job and the file is so badly can you give them another thing to do for you? so tell me those soft skills learn how to do paperwork learn how to organize an office learn even how to arrive early in the morning the easiest way is this volunteer wherever you are there's an opportunity wherever you are and I've seen many guys a guy comes to volunteer they end up actually getting paid for it the issue is to get away from the traditional have to drop an application with a letter from school saying that I need to do internship as part of my fulfilment of my degree it sounds good but it is your degree not my degree that's true the issue is how can you do the same thing when a better way a couple of challenges as we wind up challenges of course financing a huge program can be quite tight so myself and my co-founders when things get tight you get into pocket but the best thing about it is this the motivation or the pay off for that is for us who are stuck in corporate for the whole year it washes you off the sins of corporate you know when you are working all over the time to be the lead to be the best and sometimes to knock some few guys off your way the beauty of being in front of students to speak is this it's not a competition no one gains from a mentor you actually pay for your own trip so what happens I've seen with mentors when you come from mentor or when you come from mentorship it cleans you up more you end up being the biggest beneficiary of your own story that's what people are expecting too because there are so many things Michelle by now your bridge of water down and you don't think there is important financing has been a challenge but what you have done is to overcome that is to work with partners and now beautifully you started seeing long term partners coming on board for us and just that resilience we are telling young people about we have been resilient for 4 years and now we have seen now even partners calling and saying hey can I work with you to do this program right now so I say right now we are not in too much of challenge selling a little bit but we want to make this a national program and you hope the government can even take it up and make it a national mentorship program because every young person needs to hear a story of another successful young person ahead of them absolutely and I am looking forward towards that and we can have this conversation again on that particular level and I hope I have recruited you to be a mentor looking forward thank you very much so that is Oscar Kimmani Vice President Mentaton Foundation give us the social media handles again Twitter is at Mentaton Facebook is Mentaton Myself is at Oscar Kimmani and hashtag is Mentaton Hashtag Y254 Channel okay thank you very much Oscar Kimmani for creating time to be with us and having this conversation so guys make sure you don't have that they'll be right back as we wind up and yeah I'll be reading your comments so make sure you stay tuned right here on Y254 at Y254 channel at Michela Shirazu you can find me across all my socials thank you


Good afternoon, hardware nerds, and welcome back to beautiful Denver, Colorado. We're here at Supercomputing 2023. My name is Savannah Peterson, joined by my fabulous co-host, David Nicholson. Day two, lots going on. What's been the most standout, interesting thing to you so far? I have to say the llama. It was notable. Yeah. We had Grock on the show earlier. There's a llama roaming downtown Denver. Have you decided if it's a local herd or if it's a marketing activation?  Either way, I think we need to reintroduce wild llamas to the Denver Valley or whatever this is. Doesn't matter if they're not native. I think they'd like to live here. So yeah, definitely llamas. I think they do well in altitude if I'm recalling my basic biology. That's right, yeah. Yeah, all right, well that's great to know. Speaking of interesting conversations, whether they're about llamas or not, please welcome David Flynn of Hammer Space to the show. David, thank you so much for being here with us. Nice for having me on, thank you. Did the llama, Dave, you've seen the llama? I did not see the llama. I feel like I missed out on seeing the llama. I know, I feel totally gypped. I mean. Right, I feel llama gypped. It's not a good feeling. Outside of our four-legged friends, what has you most excited about the show so far? I'm just excited to see how big a deal it's become. You know, after COVID and all, but with the resurgence of AI, AI is making HPC sexy again. You know, we've kind of been saying that as a bit of a theme. I'm biased, I'm a hardware nerd. I've always thought hardware was pretty sexy, but it does feel like the spotlight is back on the machines that are going to power our artificial intelligence. And it's a really exciting moment. Hammersmith is all about getting information out of silos, which is also a big theme of the show. That's right, yeah. Does it feel like for you, we're at an intersection where all of a sudden, everybody gets what you do a little more? I think of it as the perfect storm. Yes, but in a good way, right? In a good way. In a beach weather storm way. It's the perfect storm for driving demand for what we do. Because, you know, in the old world, you had applications with their data on storage. One-to-one relationship between the application and the storage. You might have shared the storage with another application, but that was always incidental. Right. What we have here is now you need to get the data from many different applications into the models. And those models have to run in potentially many different places, just so you can get availability of GPUs or specialized hardware. Absolutely. So the old mantra of move the compute to your data because data gravity won't work. We have to orchestrate data to where you can do the compute. Which, oh, by the way, is very bursty too, so that really ought to be shared compute infrastructure. So that moves from a one-to-one relationship to a many-to-many relationship. That cross product is really what is forcing folks to go to a data orchestrated world instead of the old world of having data in storage. So when you use the term orchestration, what do you mean by that? So data orchestration is not just, it's not a new name for data management. It's not a marketing term. It has a very literal meaning. Most of the time data management means you're copying things or replicating. When you back it up, it's a copying it out of one system into another. Because the data is an emergent property of the storage system, its very identity is tied up in there because the metadata is trapped with it. So traditional data management, when you copy things around, you're making new data.  You're just making more of it. Data orchestration is very different because the data movement is happening from behind the file system in a way that's transparent where you keep the metadata unified, the identity of the data stays unified even while the data moves around. So data orchestration, the main difference is that it's happening from behind the facade of the data presentation layer and it's transparent to the ongoing access and use, doesn't disrupt that. So it's really the diametric opposite of data management as we know it. So just to immediately dive down into something that is, I thought that's elicited, one of the veins of any IT infrastructure administrators existence in the past is this idea that, okay, if I'm moving from what I have now to what I need now, there's sort of this very complex fraught with danger migration process is a feature of your orchestration that you provide, the ability to not have to worry about that anymore. Once data is inside an orchestration system, it can move transparently between different storage systems, between whole separate data centers. But not only once it's in, but we take that all the way to the on-ramp. You can simply point Hammerspace to your existing data sources, to your existing network file system, your existing NAS data sets, and we can immediately serve it indirectly through while we scrape in all the metadata, elevate that now to transcend any of the storage system and free up the data to move. So even the on-ramp doesn't involve a migration. We had a movie studio with 600 artists 300 nodes in a render farm with an Icelon system that was maxed out able to install Hammerspace in an afternoon and have the whole studio up and running and the render farm and it doubled the rendering capability. They were able to go to a 600 node render farm with the same Icelon. That's amazing. I mean, and what a cool, one of the things that we're talking a lot about at the show is the application into, say, our family's lives and to everyone else's lives. And when we're thinking about a movie studio being able to operate faster to create awesome content, what a fun example. Are there any other interesting customer examples that you're seeing? Well, first on that, it's cool to be able to say that Hammerspace has been used for production of Disney's Mandalorian, Netflix, Stranger Things, as well as dozens of other movies and TV series. That's so cool. The movie making guys, they're the early adopters. And by the way, this is game changing because it not only allows them to scale up the amount of throughput that they get, but it allows them to branch out into other regions of the world. So we've had studios that have literally changed their business model because they can hire artists in South Africa, in India, in Australia and they're able to spin up regions in the cloud and have the file system with all the data there nearby where they can use virtual desktops within a close enough proximity to have very low latency with it. And then they push a button and the rendering happens in rural Canada where electricity is cheap and you can get server instances. So this ability to delocalize the data means you can engage teams all over the world and you can be competitive with the talent that you acquire. And it means you can engage compute gear anywhere in the world. I was just going to say you can engage edge devices anywhere as well and to those teams and it's all about making that transfer of information so much more efficient. It's really. Another good example that branching out in other industries is in the space science world. Yes. Blue Origin. Yeah. It uses hammer space to orchestrate data across their different facilities within the U.S. Can't say worldwide because it's rocket science, it's export restricted, so locally in the U.S. Yeah, that's true, the government's doing it. There you go, there you go. But it allows them to have the same data set, the same scratch pad for where they're designing the rocket engines, where they're manufacturing, where they're doing the test firings. You know, they can dump the telemetry in to the same file system. You know, where they're launching the rockets. All of that has a singular global data environment because the metadata plane is now elevated and not embedded within any given piece of storage. It transcends all of it and allows data to move across it. So it's really quite an endorsement that, you know, a Jeff Bezos company is using hammer space as their way to do hybrid cloud. Now they can do computing in the cloud, they can do storage in the cloud, all of that's made possible by delocalizing data with data orchestration. And this is really, I'm glad that you brought that up. I mean, this is really the evolution of legacy HPC architecture. This is where we're going, right? This is, we're here to stay. Well, if you think about it, we've already gotten there when it comes to our personal consumer data. You don't even think twice when you get a new cell phone. Or when you go between your cell phone in a tablet or a laptop, your data's there.  You don't even care. It's all orchestrated for you. And it now outlives any device in your possession. It transcends all of that. Well, we're talking about the same thing. A lot of us for really being sassy. Yeah, we're talking about how do you do that with the enterprise unstructured file data that is the foundation of all of these foundation models. How do you have that data be orchestrated so it can literally outlive the storage? And that's transformative to think that through data orchestration, it's actually a new paradigm for how data becomes permanent. It's not permanent because you stored it. It's permanent because it's presumed to always be trivially in motion across whatever you need. It now outlives any of those things. Right. One of the things that we've talked a lot about just in the last couple of days are the constraints sometimes thought of as bottlenecks to progress from an infrastructure perspective in the world of HBC, super computing. We talk a lot about thermal dynamics. As just as an example. Managing heat. Yeah. Managing heat. Hot topic. Yeah. And when you meet a company that has an immersion scientist that has core to their business and you've learned what immersion has to do, it's mind-boggling. It's cool. But in sort of the more traditional sense of you have processing power that could be a bottleneck. Well, we can't process things quickly enough. We can't get in and out of memory fast enough. We can't get in and out of storage fast enough. Where are you seeing bottlenecks in the HPC super compute world and how does HammerSpace help to address those? So am I thinking of it the right way when I think abstraction layer? Hey, you need more bandwidth, more throughput. You can plug more physical resources in that the orchestration layer then lose data to. I would say principally two areas. And they're really the same problem at different scale factors. The first one is between whole data centers. It's the bottleneck of how do you get the data into the data center where you need to have it? Because nowadays computing is so special purpose and it needs to be shared because it's very bursty workloads. We need to be able to move data across data center just to get the trainings done and the other things. So we eliminate that bottleneck through orchestration. And the way we eliminate it is by having policy-based push that can do things in advance and reactive pulling for the remaining parts that might not have gotten caught so that you can have the best of both worlds. And you can do that because it's behind the file system now. So when it goes to access something, if it's not there, it'll go get it. But you can have most of it already there before you even start it. And both of those rely on the same principle in other orchestration platforms like compute orchestration, Kubernetes, and that's granular lightweight encapsulation. So moving things at the granularity of a single file so that what you're moving is just what you need. Not whole volumes, not whole product. It's anything you can move. And you can move it without changing the organizational structure because it still exists within the same namespace, within the same file system. It's just, where is it instantiated under the covers? So that's the first bottleneck.  It's like having to raise your own herd of unicorns, right? And running them in your infrastructure. But on the other side, you had Enterprise NAS, which was too dog slow because the protocols there were very, very slow. So what we at Hammerspace did was we fixed the NFS protocol. We introduced NFS 4.2. My CTO is the kernel maintainer of the NFS client stack in Linux. We made it tricked out so it is as higher performance or more than these exotic parallel file systems. So that allows us to solve the how to deliver data at the more local scale from the storage systems into the computer array, into your GPUs with GPU direct or into your special processors, your tensor processors, all of that directly. So it's really the same problem. One is at a macro scale between data centers. The other is a micro scale between nodes in a storage cluster into the array. And both of those are solved by the same separation of metadata and the control plane from the data path. Once you have the data and the data path separated, it makes it orchestratable and it also makes it parallel feedable. So it's ironic that it's the same architecture solves both ends of that spectrum. That's awesome and what a great solution for the folks that you're working with. Hammer Space has a pretty big announcement this week. What happened with vicinity? No, it's exciting. I have a soft spot in my heart for RDMA. Back when I was- You're probably not alone in this room. Yep, yep. Back when I was the chief architect at Linux Networks, we deployed the first large scale InfiniBand clusters. The first hundred nodes, the first thousand node, the first 10,000 node, mostly for the U.S. Department of Energy back in the early 2000s. So InfiniBand was kind of my thing, helped create the open IB stack, now the open fabric stack and RDMA. So that's where I became good friends with y'all Waldman. He's actually on our board here and an investor. But so I've always loved InfiniBand and RDMA. But you know, it's an interesting parallel here because while InfiniBand is great, what will really make that technology succeed is when it's Ethernet. Right, Rocky. And Rocky, right? Especially as HPC goes mainstream, you need those solutions to be in the mainstream with Ethernet. And I'd say it's the same thing with NAS. We need NAS to finally have the performance of these parallel file systems so that you don't have to go to something more exotic and you can get both the convenience and the performance. Yeah, Rocky should be a 10x word score on a Scrabble board for having an acronym encapsulated in another acronym because the R in Rocky stands for RDMA. Which is nested, yeah, yeah. So vicinity is kind of cool because they're taking that RDMA all the way across data centers to speed how fast you can move data between data centers. And that's really at the heart of this thing is that we now have enough universal connectivity in between data centers that you can move to an orchestrated world where data sets are flowing freely between them. The same way with your cell phone, it's now connected universally enough that you can be given that appearance as though all of your data is everywhere on all of your devices all of the time. So how can we have data appear to be in all of your data centers wherever you need it all of the time? It's only a matter of time before the pipes are big enough, before the technology is mature enough that you can have that orchestrated facade put in front of it. You are also named as one of HPCWire's top five new products or technologies here on the show floor. How does that feel for you and the team? Well, it's super exciting. I mean, we're still fairly early as a company and so to be recognized like that is very exciting. Thank you. Yeah, we're proud of you. I can feel the momentum like you said, perfect storm, but not everyone gets awards or not, industry nods like that in the middle of a perfect storm. So I think that's really... Well, I have to say, I mean, it's a really great technology and we have a great marketing team and some lighthouse customers that are just, where it's making a big impact and changing the way they do business. Give you another example. In the movie studio, thank goodness, we just solved the actor strike and the writer strike before that has its roots in the AI problem, right? Right, right. With disrupting. But one of the things is that's a very cutthroat business, very low margins, highly competitive, building content. And now it has to be done as a collaboration with other studios. So even the largest of the big major studios don't do it all in-house anymore. They outsource it to other smaller studios. And the interesting thing is this concept of data orchestration actually changes how that collaboration occurs because now they can all be working from within the same file system that can feed their rendering farms natively, directly, and yet it's still a shared file system where their artists are working within each of the separate organizations. So I like to think of it as, it's redefining the supply chain of the product that is data. The data supply chain has here to for been done through copy and merger. But now you're talking about being able to actually live inside of the same live data environment across the organization in a collaborative way, where thanks to the parallel file system architecture it's able to feed it to the most demanding applications like AI training or animation rendering, et cetera. Yeah, I never drew that parallel and that's really interesting. I think those of us who have been in this world like yourself for a long time, we're sort of aware of what movie production entails, but the world of AI and modeling and test and training and parallel access from all over the place, it really is, there are really, it is a good analogy. To look at what we've done. Well they both use GPUs at least. Yeah, exactly. And large numbers of them. And it's a parallel task. Yeah, yeah. You know, one is actually building images and the other one is building ways to interpret what's in images. Right, right, right. Perceiving images. Similar approach. Or designing microchips now that's using AI technology, right, which makes it very circular because now you're using AI to design the layout of the chips that go into AI. That's why this is an exponential thing. As we accelerate different platforms along the way it accelerates the total process. And I would like to believe that what Hammerspace is doing in making it possible to automate the movement of data in a way that you could not before allows you to position the data to be trained on and to be used. So it is another recursive thing where you're using AI because at the heart of our product we're using machine learning to make decisions about where to place the data and when to move it to try to achieve the stated objectives of where the data needs to be at what point in time. So it allows you to incorporate AI and machine learning to solve the challenge of how to get the data, where you need it, when you need it in advance so that you can do the machine learning on it. So I've got a kind of a practical question, a go to market strategy question for you. Some would argue that when going to market with anything in our world, that there aren't more strategic seats at the table, especially for big customers. If anything, they're trying to consolidate the number of partners and vendors that they deal with. What's your primary, what's the primary way that you go to market? Is it directly or is it- As with any new technology, you have to drive demand. You have to have an evangelist sales team. But just like when VMware introduced server virtualization and we take that as an analogy, we're virtualizing the data from the storage, storing it, they virtualize the compute from the computers running it. It's really the same kind of abstraction layer approach. You have to first show people how to use it to drive that demand. And then you need the channel to amplify that, to teach lots of evangelists. So we are very channel friendly. Every deal we do is with the channel, even if we brought the opportunity. But more and more we're seeing the opportunities brought to us by the channel. And just like with VMware, there is an awesome opportunity for the channel partners to learn the new paradigm for how to get data where you need it, when you need it, using this data orchestration paradigm, as opposed to the store copy and merger world. Yeah. And so we see that as part and parcel. Your own sales team, then VAR and channel amplified, amplified through. Makes sense. Well, very clearly and deservedly, so a very exciting time for you, David, at Hammer Space. Thank you so much for being here with us. David, thank you for being here. I got a duo of David's. I feel smarter after the last 20 minutes, which is saying something. And I hope all of you watching at home at work or on Mars are also feeling smarter as we're continuing our coverage here at Supercomputing 2023 in Denver, Colorado. I'm Savannah Peterson and you're watching The Cube, the leading source for tech news.


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That particular person, y'all seen on Tiny Desk, I've already studied that man. I call him on the phone, FaceTime, everybody know him. You know what I mean? So, y'all seen something that we see, face performed like that, he'll do that on his birthday party. The world starts to stress you out. What you do?  On Boss Talk 101, 101. Here we gonna talk. Cause, you know, going back to Tiny Desk when Scarface did that, I remember how everybody was like in such, all of like, man, he went so hard. When you first heard it, how did you feel about it? Well, you know, that wasn't as much as an R to me as it was. That's Face. That person right there, we see here about them at their manual rhythms and the clip. That's the way we get it done. We see that. He greets his father with his hands out. Were you able to taste it? Glad to be the man's child. You know what I'm saying? Like we get to see that particular person like, me and Bum, we got a special coming out today actually out of the Grammys on Channel 11, back home catching you. What is that? CBS today, after the Grammys, it was a thing that we've done three generations of, well, really D, Bum, B and me. And we were just explaining how like for me, being so away from the East Coast and not being connected to the West, we want to, these were my heroes. I think we cherish, love and respect our music and our culture, probably more than any other city. Scarface, Bun B. So that particular person, y'all seen on Tiny Desk, I've already studied that man.  So they, y'all seen something that we see, face performed like that. He'll do that on his birthday party. The world starts to stress you out. What you do?  You know how to ban and be loyal. So it was great. And I was more enjoyed about to see the people who hadn't been able to just embrace him like that in so long. And for him to be getting, I love when we get our flowers 20 and 30 years back. It's very important. I think they needed to see that because you just need to know. You know what I'm saying? You know me from my side of it. You need to know and understand and respect what's going down with what Scarface can do. Because a lot of times I think it was way underrated. I look at them top, whatever list that would come out on the East and West, wherever.  But that's all, you know, that's something that we gotta create our own thing down here. And I think that's where I'm at with it. Pushing information up. You know what I mean? Because if we don't do that, then we're not doing our self justice. You know what I'm saying? We got the technology. We got the platforms and we just got to do the work. And we love our own. Yeah, for sure. Texas was something different though. You could do it right here in Texas. Been doing it right here in Texas. You see what I'm saying? Like Texas, Kiki could do whatever, sell how many right here in Texas. And a lot of people don't have that. The Texas rap scene, it allowed us to have a very, a great life, you know, early. And I'm so glad that I was able to mature inside the game so I can really, I'm living much, much better in my older days, in my old game than I was at. The young little Kiki is a firecracker, it's up. I wouldn't change nothing. But being mature and able to last and survive the game and make it right here, it's easy as pie. Now it's just rolling. Wow.  When I see a lot of legend, because I think of you as a legend and I think of other Houston legends, I see how they are sitting back and, you know, reaping the benefits from all the hard work that they've done before.  Now I ain't doing no chilling. That's what I noticed about you. And I'm like, I think you're one of the only ones that I see that keep pushing out music consistently, keep doing a lot, you know? I was just giving somebody an example about that yesterday, which was based on, I don't, I'm very blessed from a financial standpoint. Right. That's not just saying, because I always think I haven't missed anything that God got from him. I'm a spiritual person. I'm going to get everything I'm supposed to get. So I don't make my music all the time from a money standpoint. I make my music to make sure that they going to do it again. Like when I do 25 summers, the goal is, are you going to buy the next thing? I'm killing these niggas, that's by the masses. I am. Been holding so long, I'm giving classes. I swear. When I did legend, I knew that they was going to love 25 summers based on the reaction that I got from the legend. Pay attention, nigga, Texas is here. Ain't no stuntin', huntin' money for the rest of the year, issues. So when I go into my music, I tell the young artists this all the time, I'm not really worried about the stream, this, what is going to do it. I'm going to get it. The thing is keeping my fans excited about the next particular thing that I want to do. I'm running a catalog game. I'm running it up. I'm doing what I need to do. And relevance is everything. You know, these samples that you hear knocking those down and chunk up the do's and I'm a G and screwing out. I really want draped up and dripped out. All these are my samples. And people tell me, man, keep man, did such and such pay you on this and such and such. Hey man, Drake didn't pay me. Logic didn't pay me for samples. I didn't always get paid for something. But my relevance, being here today, still being important, still getting booked, still dropping my music, still doing what I need to do. And still being called to come do a podcast interview. Y'all don't just want to interview anybody. So relevance is the most important thing. Not always the money, the relevance gonna bring you the money. You are dope because when you look at all of those samples, you've been sampled more than any other artist really when it comes down to that screw phase, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's something out there we don't even know about. I play about that for thousands. We take them down, we take down thousands. You do this in one, so that's me, damn. We take them down all the time, you know what I'm saying?  And sometimes it'd be one that's been done 20 times. I'd be like, bruh, you know they done that with about 10 times, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I'm probably the most sampled artist in Texas, probably most of, but like I say, man, people would think that get under my skin, it doesn't, man, it plays a lot. Now I'm older now. Now I ain't gonna let you get away with everything. I'm just gonna let you get away with it. But I'm still in most importance relevance to me. Wow, man. So Drake, he just, you said, I heard you say that he just said the, he just said Drake, Drake, Drake, Drake, still got it right, would you? But see, that's a testament if I tell people, that's what we're talking about, the hard work. People don't understand a lot of things that we're getting now. Opportunity is hunting lands, rodeos and all that. It's behind not knowing publishing young, not knowing about samples and not knowing all that. Like I might have missed all that money for them samples early.  He barely even sampled something. I said, he just said something, I said Drake, Drake, Drake, I got logic, I got Booker T, I got Crown Raw. All these people are tapping into my music and sampling it and what else? Licensing it and all these different things. And it's 20 years later, and the best part about it, I own it now. Wow. So when they were sampling and doing all in there early, I didn't own it anyway, you know what I'm saying? So now I'm reaping the benefits of the samples and the licensing and all that.  So that's what I'm saying. When you focus on the big game, which is staying relevant and having an opportunity to still keep going, the other thing's gonna fall into place. Everything happens in God's time. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one. One on one.


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