Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and it's time for a very unusual episode because It's another hotel show. It's been years since I've done a hotel show But here we are and I'm here with John. All right, and Scott. Hello We're all over in the UK because it's the What are we here for the heresy weekend? Heresy did you forget like momentarily? I mean let's say no Sees better by me and John just woke up from a little two-hour nap. So we're a little Loopy, yeah, yeah, I slept on the plane. So I'm good woke up. It was morning. So it's morning now I'm jet lag doesn't exist. If you know you just You said it's Wednesday, I'm not sure it's actually Even by where you are which would be six hours behind where we are now it is Wednesday Hmm. All right. Yeah, I'll take your word for it So we're not gonna do much of the normal show today instead. We're gonna keep it pretty simple This will be a shorter show as a hotel show because there's a lot going on Both for what we're doing over here, but also in the world and the AOS reveal is tomorrow Sure, and so whatever So this will be a little unusual. We're gonna talk about the coolest models in Warhammer history I had to get something that I thought Scott and John would be competent Okay, yeah, I don't even know like the rule set for H Sigma 3.0. So that's fair. That's fair, right I was gonna be like, so let's do a battle to review guys The most scuffed review on your channel, right? So so instead we're gonna talk about cool models, which is universal and evergreen and always good And something we all have opinions on this is not an opinion show This is a fact show. Yeah, these are the best models these what we're going to show you today are in fact the best models So on new stuff, I don't know if I'll do a stream tomorrow after the AOS reveal I mean, I have we have a good idea a couple quick news items up top the important thing to say is yes The AOS reveal is tomorrow may do a stream after it depending on like Tom and Tyler's availability might do one late at night Not sure They added new banners. Yeah. Oh, did they they did they added new banners in the other images They shared and they added to Skaven banners. Well, well, well, well, well, well Yeah, so like on the reveal show that you know They put up the like Warhammer Fest and they hang all these little banners in their little graphic Okay. Yeah, and so you saw like the Leagues of Votan Face and you saw like the Imperial Fist and the the Horus Sons of Horus, you know icons Obviously each of those ties to something they're gonna do on the three four days of reveals, right? There was definitely a silvanet banner. Yes, I'm calling that if that wasn't officially spoiled, right exactly. So we saw the We saw the silvanet banners previously, so we know we're gonna get some kind of silvanet stuff probably the confirmation That's the summer book Maybe we see some new models for tree people. So it's not a lot of trees. It has it's been a while There you go. Good good good and and So but there but there was no Skaven banner and I've long been saying I think that the summer chaos Tom is Skaven and then all of a sudden just randomly two days ago Boom, we got a new Skaven banners got him. This this has got to mean that we're beyond just underworlds One hopes. Yeah, I mean What are they gonna do put in another underworlds warband because once you do one? That's all They can do. Who's Skaven warbands for Underworlds at this point? They do, yeah, because the second one came out another major. Yeah. Yeah I mean they're not gonna put a banner up from the Skaven warbands for 2018 We're re-releasing them So if we actually see new Skaven tomorrow, obviously that's gonna be an exciting thing My mission to get into the bowels of GW and look at any new Skaven sculpts that are in the building might not be as Necessary if they just show them tomorrow in which case. I'll just be like that's good. I'm just gonna go ahead and borrow Let me just go ahead and shovel all these Like I've had to coming back from Warhammer world I have previously thrown out clothes to shove all of my like model kits into a bag So I'm not afraid to do it again We don't have to do that luckily because John's suitcase is like the size of 17 toddlers And so we can fit all kinds of extra goodies in there. Did you so you checked a bag? And mine's like 30% full Man's face They paid for it. I'm not gonna everything I do carries in one bag Yeah, I could have done that but Scott's like I'm checking a bag like well. He's checking a bag I'm the wait there either way it right We have a laptop on the trash can right that's right. This is high tech set up. We've got right here Look, I brought this microphone. You know happy that one Bag standing in an hour and a half long security line. Look, I just want to say real quick terminal to listen UK government I assume you're watching Folks we got to talk about this this this immigration security check-in an hour and a half the longest queue I have ever seen in my entire life. I know this country loves queues. I really do. It's a thing But this was beyond the pale. I was sending photos to these guys and like I couldn't get the whole thing in any single Unreasonable So at any rate, let's talk about so that was that was it. That's our news and our fun story here. We're all over here We're all excited. We're gonna do a lot of fun stuff over the course of this week Is this both of your so here's the question before we get into the actual thing? Yes Is this for each of you your first time at Warhammer world? Yes We got the drive by from our wonderful driver Jim He drove us by slowly and we got to see he's like, oh, there's the tank and there's the little armor man Thanks Jim. Yeah, the little armor man. Yes. Very nice. That was our first exposure We like we like crested a hill and it was like Warhammer world. So we haven't been inside yet, but this will be it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right So since this is both of your first times It feels like the first time The very first time we're John What is your one thing you want to see do experience at Warhammer world? I want to go bowling That's not an option. That isn't a thing. Okay Shit, I don't know that. I don't know. Here's the thing I don't know. I don't know what you can do at Warhammer world because they are kind of like hush-hush about like exposing that like On the internet and videos and stuff. Sure. I know there's like a museum There is like a bugman's bar. There is an area to play games. Yes That's all I know. What else even is there? That's like the big three. Okay. Okay. The big three That's the big three. I wanna know about the bar. Assuming you're not being let in behind the curtain in some into the secret areas Those are the three things. Oh, it's the Willy Wonka factory. I want to go there then. Yeah Yeah, there's definitely an extra layer of security. That is yes the Willy Wonka factory. Okay, correct But much the same though though you could accidentally end up inflating yourself and turning purple Falling into some kind of chocolate river only it's gonna be just sprue plastic Yeah, exactly much more horrible if anyone hears like way off in the distance someone say I want it daddy and I want it now Yeah, that's me. No, that's just me talking about this So you've been before though So you're gonna you're gonna be our unofficial tour guy. Well, I think yeah, I think they're actually providing a real tour Okay You just interpret, right? What is he saying exactly so I will say the museum tour is super cool I know that they have that queued up for us for the weekend It is very worth it because they have stuff going all the way back to the beginning They really do have some very very very incredible impressive Like dioramic battle scenes built there is a scaven versus dwarf when that's real ace It's like multi layers. You can walk around it see it from inside all the different tunnels that are you know engaging in a bunch of fights That's cool. That's cool. It's good stuff And then I just said you can also go to world or games or bad Twitter games. They're both in Nottingham as well Yes, that is true. They're like right not far away actually really Yeah, there's a lot of actual people making games in in Nottingham because think about you're a designer You worked for GW for a while. You live in Nottingham.  You're still here. Hey, you'd like, you know, just randomly move somewhere else in the Midlands So so there you go. Yeah, there's actually quite a lot of companies here So are we gonna talk about? The the oopsie-poopsie in the room that happened this week in regards to age of Sigma The the book The cast leak that was shown to the internet that was not supposed to we can extend this news thing a little longer Yeah, because once they were once they showed the roadmap of releases for books for age of Sigma they went all the way up to like winter like January 2023 and the book that was shown was the last book. Yeah I'm eating your I heard the rumor rumor has it Adele shared yes, apparently Adele ordered a Slaves to Darkness book and instead they accidentally sent her the unreleased one Adele, yeah Adele That would be that would be one of her most popular songs No, I know okay, but like it's not a real thing. No You just said it so you could say a rumor has it. Yes. It's all a joke. I am set now All right, so the cast thing is super interesting because obviously we we had this leak. It was clearly a real book It was a limited-edition tone. All right, and it was leaked You know like people taking for okay in the year of our lord 2022 how do we still get these like low res fuzzy potato pictures? Who has their like Nokia from 2002 they bust out to take these photos They're playing snake and then they're like I gotta take a picture quick It's like a Warhammer world like as soon as you walk through the door I just like pick slices all your photos like in your phone. It's like kind of like high-tech security. Yeah, that's next level. Yeah, so Hey, so we get these these all these like bad photos, you know Circling around and then yes in response. We get like some fuzzy pictures with a new demon prince some other new characters and clearly model Like there's a sizable chunk to this release. That's what we see We're teased by the the page that shows like the table of contents that says the horns of how should clearly a new War cry or oh, okay, and how should is classically the chaos dwarves God, right?  These are actually just regular people. That's just regular people So it's not a swear. It's a morning reward. Yeah. Yes so Yeah, I mean it came out seven it is seven books away. Yes, that's that's the one that leaked seven Books away. All right, so that led me everybody was like talking about it It was yes, it was all the news then they released the road map showing They didn't explain what the other six are we're pretty sure at this point that Realistically given the banners scaven and sylvaneth are the summer books. Okay, so that's two out of the So now we know three out of seven. There's still a middle four Which is like one order one chaos and two destruction if your death take a hike.   You've got your soul of light. So that's very good night on our confirmed Right. Yes more or less if they're not confirmed for what that they're gonna get a new book So this is all after that. Yes, correct Right. So what else would there be? Oh, we are I mean they still they need made more time to like redo that No, we are FEC. Yeah Like FEC, they're on my support at best So Arturia said people are saying LRL for the autumn and I'm not sure how I feel about that I mean, I'll tell you right now. I would absolutely believe it LRL is gonna be a once a year release Because we live in the worst timeline Like I just believe the nature of everything I see in the world is like no that fits like it's terrible So it fits. So that's what it would be And yes night on book has all been leaked which we're not we'll do a whole night on show mean Tom is gonna be so excited. He was well He you have to understand Tom goes through an emotional roller coaster. Okay with every book It doesn't matter how good it would be He's gonna be like sad because it changed and then he's gonna be angry and then he's gonna find things He likes and then he's gonna start being accepted then. He's gonna think it's like the coolest book ever But it's he's got to go through his own five stages of Tom's acceptance of a book I have to put up with it every time you just gotta wait for the Tom breaks the book phase Yeah, it's this roller coaster. He just he just write it out. Yeah, okay So we think that by the fact that there were seven books before this This chaos book. Yeah, this has got to be a true oops, right a super-duper oopsie-do's Yes, oopsie-do's like somebody who was at the book printer or something like that like that's an internal Yeah in their supply chain with the image though. Why is it so pixelized? I Because people share it and then take pictures of pictures and like who knows where's the original image though? It's just like took this you got shared around Somebody probably took a good picture, but then shared it 50 ways compressed through a hundred different weird social media Old people like me and we all got I just I take a picture of the Red Bull They're gonna take a picture of my picture This is the first one. Okay. Yeah, we got monkeys. You have humans. Where's the in-between? We need Lucy rock on it so the I Think that the the thing that the question nobody asked Okay, that everybody's been talking about this and what are the books in between and that's all interesting stuff to me And that's fine. We can all have our fun speculation time about what are the books in between sure? But here's my question. That was a printed limited edition Copy right fully done Ready to go. That wasn't like something that was like a PDF from a protester league or something like that's not what it was Okay, this was like the one of the photos is the person holding it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's done. It's done Your head almost boom now you got to the point. I want to make that's exactly right Okay, so that means the other six books are also theoretically done and printed and sitting in a warehouse So we're we're seven books out with what they printed by the way There's gonna be an eighth book in there too because they don't do solo book releases anymore So that chaos book will have a friend because every book obviously there they do the like The box release now where everything where it's like, you know Here's the box of the two forces fighting and then here's the books for each of those two forces Okay, fine. Yeah. Yeah, the FOMO boxes or whatever they're called. Mm-hmm. So So what is the supply chain hold up because we could have been releasing books faster Right So if the models are printed in the UK, yeah, and the books are printed in the UK now Okay, which they are and they're all done and they're all done and they're sitting in a warehouse and like theoretically the models are done Or could be done if they wanted What's the hold up? I have a theory. Okay cardboard. Oh Yes, the boxes Yes physical boxes because my guess is the boxes still come from somewhere else like China or something Okay, because they got think about it. They're ordering those in mass Right for all their product lines Those all got to get printed put on a big container ship shipped across if somebody knows where those are printed for sure By the way, tell me I'm legit interested in where these boxes come from Because that's the only part of the supply chain that I can think of. Yeah, right Like they've got a bunch of sprues just sitting around and books just chilling in a warehouse and they're like, well We can't sell any of this because we don't have any box to put it in whoever's in charge of that is Not doing their job for everyone else is waiting on them right be so frustrating that I'll be able to like put product up Right right and that's got to be think about how much that's holding up because you don't know when you're gonna get what shipment Yeah, like the physical model kit boxes Martin. Yes. That's what I'm talking about like the actual cardboard Yes, right like when you go by any of these things the FOMO boxes like the dual boxes That's a big printed bit punch of cardboard with like a printout sheet in the middle and all that right every individual little kit every hero You know all these things have to come in these boxes They don't none of them only the book is standalone right it doesn't need a separate thing Yes, but they can't release the book without also having the cardboard FOMO box for the heroes are gonna do for any new kids They're gonna do right and so just missing that one piece would stop everything. It would shut down your whole release. Yep So that's all I can think of right and I guess they're just hoping that by the time You know by the time Basically the dates they set like by autumn those shipping containers show up and they're able to box stuff Right, they're just like betting on it. Yeah, Adam said in the chat. Welcome to the new global supply chain Yeah, because it is finished a Kickstarter campaign. I've been getting lots of emails from people about like Dealing with fulfillment. Yeah, and like the most recent email I got was like we have connections in China to subvert Like all of those issues people have been seeing just now It's like kind of like okay the issue itself has created the need to pay for like better fulfillment to avoid the issue And I was like all right, this is the new thing So yeah, it's definitely a problem. Yep. Yep So that was the only thing that occurred in my head just like think about it that means somewhere in that building Yeah, it's just piles of sprues. It's been all the books just sitting on pallets or whatever Yeah, right. Just wait. We gotta find it. I this net the new mission has Everyone's gotta wear Jinko jeans so you could hide them up in our jeans, right exactly. We spread out all once the oceans is like oceans 14 Okay Yeah, like stuff me in some kind of a box put me on a trolley set me in a room case We're suitcase. Oh, yeah, put me in my suitcase.  Yeah, and set me in a room Case somewhere. Just you know, it's because he was like he's a bunch of fun from the inside Yeah, exactly or you could like flatten it over like walk, you know, it's like a moving box Yeah, you like solid snake Just exclamation point Yeah, so unfortunately we put our whole plan on the internet Now we're done So and by the way, no, I'm not drinking just straight vodka This is just this is the sparkling water that they have here that I bought down from the bar I bet that was 48 hours. I it wasn't actually it wasn't bad. I was cheaper than I was gonna be But I got a drink something so yeah, here we go All right, so there's a bunch of news in a slap-dash random order, which is fine with me That works like let's do this. All right, so gentlemen With that let's get to some coolest models Yeah, we let's let's figure this out. I'd say I made the list before I reread Vince's text and I thought it was coolest Warhammer models of all time So I had a list of 25 models and then I reread the text and it was just Sigma and I'm like, well, that's cool because 22 of the 25 rage of Sigma anyway, so we're fine I can narrow this down. Yes. I sent very clear instructions that both of you promptly disregarded But that's all right, so here's what we're gonna do I'm gonna flip through these now. I don't immediately I do not have them labeled Okay with which one of us picked that show is this okay? Well, no, that's it labels. It's intentional. Okay, because then it's a game Scott You see and it's fun and engaging for the audience Okay, you choose. What do you think picked it? Correct. So when we jump to a model, okay? I want it. We're gonna we're gonna give a second for it like I'm gonna flip to the first one right now All right now some of these you may have a clue as to who's they are Because of the picture That's been used Okay, just saying That because somebody sent me actual photos and I felt compelled to use them I just didn't know this guy had like a real name He probably does have a named name Yeah, so this is this is obviously a wood Elf Lord now And this is correct. I'm pop quiz here. Do you remember what they are originally a call there? So there's two of them, you know every army had a hero merit and a Lord variant remember what they recall for the what else Wow Yeah, I mean everybody knows this is Scott by the way. Well, so Scott hold up your hand You have a very distinct wedding right shows up in a lot of your videos. Yeah. Yeah, so No wanderer prints nomad prints That was like the last thing they had but it was high born and noble. Okay.  Yeah, I don't know. I think it could have been either I don't remember what it was on the actual blister when you bought it So I went and looked at these guys because you you sent me some obviously Scott has some old hammer picks in here Oh, yeah, nobody went super back far in time Like I wondered if anybody was gonna send me like an old like the gosh like yeah like something from 91 yeah, and What was really fun was I managed to find a like the print out from the back of the book of all of the different Wood Elf Lords and characters were available Yeah, and the thing about this one is these were all really good Like I want to know who sculpted that whole range Back when when when these were done because like there's this guy. There's the the sorceress who's up doing so cool Yeah, the floaty hair and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah There's like a bunch of different heroes from that time period that all came out together that are all like really solid Honestly, I think you could have subbed in like any of those. They're all Yes, the fade away jumpers. Yeah. Yeah, I love that one. Yeah the way watcher Lord Yeah, like all of those are really really good And I think these honestly like Okay, here's our game Does this model stand the test of time? My answer is a hundred percent. Yes, a hundred percent. Yeah, I wouldn't pick it I didn't yeah, I think the only thing if they were to redo this today Is it be slightly more crisp and sharp in the details? Like the cloak and stuff but the actual pose in the dynamic character like that holds up 100% Yeah, in fact, it's a lot more interesting than a lot of the models today. So yeah, good pick. Good pick I'll say it's a little bit moody with the hair over what I yeah I think what you would see today is like if let's imagine it just somebody like Plus plus is this right still they want to do homage like the L They elder eyes that are slaves to darkness eyes it right where it's the same models We're just bringing them up to modern standards. I think you would get much the same model I think he'd be more up in the air like they do raise him up higher onto a higher tactical rock His hair would be up more because they can they can do strands that are separated now, right? And I think his cloak would be less two-dimensional like it's got a lot of directionality to it right now But it's still very two-dimensional because the nature of the cast now it would be like going like Off to the side Right. Yeah, I think yeah, you're right. Yes, because just some of the limitations of obviously the sculpting of that time You couldn't just have like an individual strand of hair going Right, that's Peter model. So yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think this guy still I think this guy's still around you can find him because they eventually made him fine cast He's not the current model anymore Now the only one they have still in this range that's like currently available is the plastic Yeah, no man friends. Yeah, which is also a good model. I think it is. Yeah. Yeah, I used him I you I actually use that model in a OS army to tournament recently because it's a good He's a good good character like people sleep on that dude. He's really good. Yeah, um If you also have that model and you're top five, I'm gonna slap you I don't but actually fun little story that one of the first miles ever painted at John's house was the no-man Prince I bought over and painted that I was like five years ago or something like that four years ago There you go. Yeah, that was awkward. Yeah, we did that Yep, but so yeah, this guy's solid. I think this is a great pick like and again I think this could have been like I said any of those characters from that time and I would have still been in the same place Yeah, because I think it's one of the most iconic set of Heroes that they've done for a range where I look at any one of the heroes and I'm like banger banger banger banger Right, like everyone was on point. It felt like that army It had its own style and character and emotion and there's like it's not that other armies don't have some good characters It's rare. They're that consistent. Yeah across the line six of them are so good for sure, right?  Are you gonna play this? I don't know man depends on whether or not I like the game I have I am not a person that has any nostalgia for anything. Okay, I like things if they're good I don't like things if they're bad. It's that easy So sure if the game's good, I'll play it. You know what I mean? It's it's that simple. I will definitely buy a bunch of models and use them as as AOS pieces So that's that's a that's a guarantee like they've got my money for a bunch of this stuff It's just what game does it get used in right? That's why other worlds exist, right? Right exactly I've played like six games of underworld since it's launched. I haven't played one the past three years But I'm still buying war bands You could make your entire list of top five for this all off of individuals of underworlds more bands and you could be right Yeah, that good. Yeah a hundred percent. Yeah, okay. Okay. What do we got here next up? All right? Guess is in chat Who is this one who who picked gels and Derek? All right, so look I Can't know you say that. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. We got a split between Vince and John. It looks like here. Okay. Yes, so Your comb in you're on red right now. That's fine. Whatever. Don't worry about it It this stream dropped for a second, but it's okay. Don't worry. It's all good. Everything will still show up there We should be back. I can watch I'm watching it on my phone Lord V says Tom yeah, all right. So the answer is this was this was your picture. This is mine This is mine. Okay. Why this one as opposed The other which yeah anything else in her city. Yes, actually I went through and I'm like the cursed city was just Non-stop hits. Yeah, that I I was like something out of this box has to do it has to be the one and as much as I want it to be The big boss vampire this guy just beats him. He does. Yeah He's just cooler. Yeah, he's definitely better than than Radhikar from there. Yes. He is. Yes Yes, he is and and spoiler Chattacar does not make my top five list although he was in the extended list He didn't quite make it but Jelson here like I found that my list of five hit like a lot of of pillars of Fantasy that I want to see represented in the coolest way Okay, and he is my version of like an anti-hero like he is a good guy, but he just looks like a complete badass Well, he you know, he's kind of good. Oh, this is like a space ring. He's not a good guy No, no, no, he's like legit not a good guy I don't know how much you want me to spoil Kerr City, but actually he's not all like in the story for the game He's not yeah, I don't spoil it. I want to play it at some point. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I'll let you discover Okay, okay, and I would that makes me like him even more. Yeah, sure Yeah Right you would you play an army of witch hunters a hundred percent? We're looking at more time. That's what that's oh, yeah My final list can I ask you a question? How has that not become a thing? I don't know I guess it doesn't make sense because like typically like a town will have a witch hunter So they have an army of them, but we don't need an army of witch hunters. Oh, yeah We need an we need an Inquisition style Like that could have been cities too. It could be their version of like the new dawn bringer crusades Like you would have some witch hunters. You would have new versions of priests of Sigmar You would have like some traders and just people like that like like sort of diplomats and people who go out and help settle things You'd have flagellants like new versions of the flagellants Like I mean I could construct you a reasonable army here. You give me a day or two, right? Searching for sprues It's just amazing to me that we haven't capitalized on something that people so clearly love and that we were hinting at Yes here with Kerr City. I mean squats took forever. Yeah. Yeah Like just the aesthetic of everything on him is just feels like a badass witch hunter and like his pose isn't super dynamic But it has a lot of like attitude in it the whole rifle over the shoulder like a clinic Clint Eastwood pose is It's iconic. Yeah He's got he's got garbles on garbles, which I think is a little bit of a negative But this angle in particular makes it look egregious, but other parts of the model aren't too bad Yeah, I paint this one. Have you painted this one Vince? I have you. Yeah. Yeah, the front look is bad But like other other areas not too bad Yeah, my only problem with him is that face and actually get like the way you put the model together Yeah, you can basically have to assemble him completely for the most part Because he's one of those like whack-a-doo Half of the torso and a shoulder and the side of a face in the corner of a hat You know and you have like a two millimeter gap to like fit a brush to paint his face Yeah, exactly and so that's my only issue with him I think I like of all the new witch hunters. I think I actually like the The dad mm-hmm the best just cuz he's also got a pretty open pose He's got kind of like he's his jackets doing some nice stuff where it's kind of like folded over But it's also floating behind and he's got a real expressive old guy face and like old guy faces are fun to paint Yeah, I wonder what what this model would look like with old guy head on instead. I wonder if it's better That'd be cool. That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah So, but no, this is a good pick. I mean and again, this is another those things where I'm glad to see Kerr City coming back And One strength one-stamp leather belt time They don't have the unique trait, you know, just keep Arms and stuff, yeah I didn't have to ask Vince if this model could count because technically you can't use the heroes in Age of Sigmar Surely I know you could use all the the bad guys. I never I never checked that but none of them are any good Registered for me. Yeah, they're the the only one that like maybe sometimes could on one weird blue moon have a use Is the the do hit the dual-handed sword lady? Oh, okay, Esmeral or Esmeral also good Yeah, I mean like this whole thing is good. I really I mean Alright, what is your pick out of Kerr City? Is this your pick Scott out of Kerr City? Oh, no, I don't know but Elton the third if it's not a what-up. It's Gloria. Oh, yeah, it's not a good guy It's the The watch master skeleton. Yeah, he almost made my wall. Yeah, he's he's probably my favorite skeleton Yeah, I love Gloria because he's like a non-vampire vampire. He has such excellent drip Yeah, he's not actually undead, but yeah, I love Gloria nice Can I may I submit just the humble skeleton out of this box set? You may think of how many times you've seen that skeleton used in like painting tutorials Oh, yeah, we're just painted in general because they're like they're simple, but they're not too simple They have a great amount of detail They have those shields on either the front or the back so you can kind of pick what you want to do You know they there they like you you have all the stuff you'd want like oh I'm gonna do some non-metallic metal cool all play with the breastplate in the top of the shield in the helm Yeah, some have scales some don't like I really think those skeletons are Amazing. Yeah, they take contrast really well, too. It's true. Yeah, you can you can go simple You can go super high end and they pay off either way Yeah, I think the the biggest thing for me why those skeletons are such a hit It's the first time that I recall The game's workshop has put a lot of focus In how the the human hips work. There's so much movement And there's so many minor changes and poses and it's all on the direction of their hips And how that changes the weight and it shifts which leg it shifts front or back It's it's beautiful, but you don't really notice it unless you like say what is it that makes these different And it's all in the hips, baby. They look a little sassy. They are a little sassy. Yeah, I agree. Yeah So I I mean like I the point is it's a great box And I think you could have again picked multiple things out of it But this is a good pick and I I I hope to see more stuff like this Wait, so is your pick from per city the skeleton? I think I'm gonna go I'm submitting the skeleton. I that's my that's my hot pick Yes, I'm gonna say the skeleton because of like there is something to be said For something simple done extremely well. I totally agree. Right And that's what that skeleton represents to me. Okay. Well, that's an interesting concept Like what's a gw model that's simple and done really well. That's a different show. Maybe but that's a really cool No, it is it is. I I don't know. I think we we might have some of those coming up. All right All right, this one probably requires not much a guess Who's who's this is? I don't know Keeper of secrets tough guests who put this one in there look all time great The original keeper of secrets the well the the previous incarnation It wasn't actually the original and there was one before that but the The ugly awful dumb metal one that existed that like bullhead crab claw tiny short awful thing That was just terrible. Yeah, just straight terrible Okay It existed with us for way too long. Yes, and then this magnificent Thing came out and look as as a proof point None of the models you picked got into the top three for model of the year. This one did Any kind of metric it's it's a it's a space ring show. I understand it's all like 40k crushes on that again But that's my point if an aos model got in there, I understand this is also 40k viable But like think of how good it has to be To actually get on the top three. That's fair. It's got to be big too. That's the key You've got the key word big in this in this one. Yeah, I'm surprised one of mine If it's kind of got robbed, I'll say we'll worry about that we get there But that's fine. I had Marathi in my top 10 And I think she would have hit that at that bill. Oh, don't worry. We might not have missed out. Okay There's so many miles I forgot about like the uh the clf dude with like the wave cape. Oh, sure Yeah, he was in my shortlist too. Oh my gosh. I'm amazing. We'll talk about some more We'll talk when we get to the end. We'll talk about our honorable mentions. Okay. So I um I I knew you were going to pick this and I and I you've how many of these have you painted now? Uh I'm gonna say six, but it might be seven It might be seven I was like just just remembering from your cases in your house. I'm like, okay, I think I saw four Oh, right. He just did one for golden demon five Uh, I saw I'm like, yeah, you know this probably as well as anybody on this planet this bottle Yeah, I'm assuming that kid has a lot of good variety too in terms of assembly to make it kind of interesting to do repeat paint jobs Yeah, no, it does like there's different. It's it's not just that it's Okay For how big this model is it's actually quite simple Like what I mean by that is there's a lot of negative space on this model. Yeah, it looks like it honestly The back of the cloak is basically one big Cloak, I mean like it has a little bit of design to it But for the most part it's just a big swoopy softly swooping cloak, right The skin there's a lot of exposed skin You've got yes, you've got these little, you know danglers These little doodad crossies for her her like corset or whatever But it's not much her like her claws are huge But then they have those simple metal things a couple different claw options in there like as Compared to most models of this size She doesn't have a huge amount going on. So it allows for a lot of experimentation On the model and and so you can really like play with the volumes and tattoos And I've seen lots of people do all sorts of different things of that because They've got so much space to to play with it. Yeah, yeah All right off a critique of gw models You don't have enough space to really do anything other than paint the details they put on the model So right this is a cool departure and it's just yeah, this is it was This design I'll also say there's like three different heads in there and each head very much changes the feel of the model Because like one is very feminine one is a little more demon and one is like a bowl Yeah, the one we see on the screen is kind of bullhead So you get like a really really different feel out of the model based on the head They also have very different hairstyles for all of them, too So I think one of the things that makes this one stand out to me is as Slinash aesthetic isn't my cup of tea But even if you don't like the slinash aesthetic, which it feels is it's kind of a hot and cold for most people You still can appreciate how cool the model is. Yeah Because that's a that's a hard thing because if you just don't like this aesthetic, this thing is still really cool So when I saw this first get shown I was like, oh gosh, Vince. Oh, no No Yeah, I mean I couldn't have been more excited for this. I still love this model. I'd still paint another one anytime Absolutely number number seven or eight or 10 or 12. Who knows there's no end It's a lot of secrets to keep. There is so many secrets. All right I think we know who did this one. Yeah, I think I think this is a very similar shot. Okay, so This is a controversial pick here. I think this is like the deepest old hammer pick probably I think so. We'll see. Okay. All right. Obviously this one's Scott. Yeah. Okay, dude. Come on Conrad He's the craziest defend yourself. Please do dude. I mean, okay, wait. So do I have to why don't you like this model? What's wrong with that doesn't that doesn't convince me why it's the best if I have to tell you why it's not Okay, you have to convince me why it is. Okay, fine That cape. Okay, mic drop like come on dude, seriously But also the blood dripping down from the middle of the swords how that blood got there.  Yeah, I'm you know, I'm hearing a lot of nostalgia nostalgia nostalgia events Yeah, but like is that not legit? This is mine. This is your your course. I get it. Look, I will say No, no, and I love vampires Yeah, like I would say so so I obviously we have the new vampire lord on foot right the new one that got made bat hair lady Yeah, you like black and I don't like I don't like bat hair lady. There's my honesty. Yeah, I don't okay She's she's like 65% awesome. It's the other 35 that just kill it Yeah, so but my problem with all of the all of the von karson sculpts is Honestly, they just are so Chonky in a weird way like yeah, I get it. He's got a bat cloak It feels like if I hadn't if I'm not looking at the model and I was forced to just remember it I would remember it cooler than it actually is Okay, yeah, that's right where I'd be like, yeah, I had that awesome bat cloak and he's like I'm breaking the blood on his shoulder like You know, but then I look at the mom like oh, that's right. It's it looks like that Okay, so question for you then if this model got an aos like makeover and the concept was the same Would it be awesome is is the issue just like maybe the old design aesthetic or is it just the for me for me? Yes, okay, okay, but I think you could Absolutely, you know, you know why I know you could do this and make it awesome because critsa exists What is critsa critsa is the vampire who's like all he's like all stately and walking forward He's got his rat tails coming out behind him. He's the rat vampire, right? And I mean not exactly the same concept because obviously this guy's bats and stuff like that and that dudes the rat prints Yeah, but I mean that whole That whole you can see what that aesthetic looks like when it's brought to modern design capabilities, right? So you could certainly do this Uh In a way that like would be compelling to me My honest answer is just because of like the scale and the chonk and the fatness of some of these things That were just the realities of the time of what you could sculpt and what you could do Because you were sculpting in real green stuff and sculpting technology and sculpting skills kind of it is of its time. Yeah, right so That's the issue I this the other thing about this guy that always irks me whenever I see him is how his The ratio of his body size is so off Like his torso is the same height as his legs And that should be about a two to one ratio I don't think it is and he seems and it might be because his knees are bent You can't really tell because of the bats, but he just seems so squat Yeah, it's like I want him more like tall and live and just it has more more powerful opposed, but yeah I will say He is a better sculpt than blod Yes I think of all of the von karson's this this sculpt and this concept best shows the character of what he's supposed to be in the Story sure there's a kind of like generic vampires Yeah, you know like you know because man first supposed to be like beguiling vlad supposed to be like the king He's crazy isabella's kind of like I don't know. She's got her own thing going on But this guy's like yeah that that's best one to one sure. Okay. I got that All right, but it's it's a it's a good Uh, it's a good pick at sort of this whole uh At this whole time period of models like I do think it is one of the better ones from that time Just for me. It doesn't hold up still sure. Yeah, that's the issue, but I get it. Yeah Hey drop. How are you doing? Oh, there he is Travarians in the house. What uh Hey trove. We didn't see any cockroaches in our hotel room yet Ask why they hate me Okay, look at that. Why do you hate travarians? Yes, we will ask we'll get right into it Hey We'll get it on camera. Yeah. Yeah, we'll record it as well. Yeah, absolutely. All right Who has the mega boss? Okay. So again guess is in the chat who the mega boss is but look Mega bosses are meant to be beefy armored Larger like monstrous orcs Right. Yeah That's what this dude is.  Vince. This is my pick. Yes. I saw many vintzes in the chat um I like this guy more than the one on mawkrusher because I think this is just a singularly well Imported sculpt. He's big. He's imposing. He's brutal. I love the armor. Think of how many times you've seen this guy painted for competition from just a while. Super. Yep. Yep, exactly and You know Like I do not know. I can't think of any way to improve this sculpt. That's what it comes down to, right? He is the thing Perfect. Yeah Period. Do you think the jaw teeth thing could be a little bit shorter so you can see his face a little bit better? So fair question. Okay. That's fair. Uh I mean small on his shoulder could be a little bit smaller. It seems a little The dinosaur skull is perfect. I love it. It's the other the other one on the other shoulder Yeah, my solution on one of mine was to actually take get a second one of those skulls And put it on his other shoulder too. So he's got two of them And then I was like, okay now he's balanced, but that's like my own need for symmetry. Like I like symmetry and things, right? And yeah, I mean like look at the size of his chopper. Yeah, look at that thing. Yeah, that is the size of a normal human person That's fantastic adequately sized. Yes Uh, so I mean maybe the only thing I would like so some of the um some of the like Uh, what do I want to say the the the the other broods? There we go.  I so okay. There's my one way I could I could improve. Yeah, I can see that because he has like a really low center of gravity He's like just all kind of in one area. Yes So I would I would love to see it if they had like some other way you could like an optional back plate Where you could sit a banner in his back, especially since that's actually one of their artifacts That's always been around like the boss skewer pole. It's meant to be this big trophy rack that goes up behind them 40k too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it is a thing on the Uh, the guy that's on the mall pressure like he has that option. Yeah, okay But the guy on foot they don't they don't give that armor option. So I wish I wish they had done the same thing for both Yeah, that's it. The guy on my pressure is actually physically larger than this guy too. He is. Yeah Because I think you painted that when we did our little like collab diorama thing, right? Correct I pulled the one off the mall pressure and did that one.  White stands Surfboard I had to like extend my foot over into the noblar zone. You can have some of that. Yeah, I use them right Good pick good picks a trophy right? Yeah, exactly. Um, so I think this is just a good model I again, that's another guy. I think I've done three of these dudes not counting the ones on on Uh Mall crusher and so I just really like them. Yeah. All right Who's is this one guesses in chat trash model? Oh, well not scotch Or he's trying to throw you while off It is an elf after all it is an elf. Or is it If you take all the elf ways it's still an elf Oh, no, he's a ghost elf. So this is sort of a like a ship of odysseus problem Yeah Um Right, so so So this is john. This is me. Yes. This is me. All right, john Why why this is because this is the best hero good guy in age of sigmar. Wow. Yes, what a claim Yes, because this guy just screams denied by the way You're here and like amazing pose just he is everything about him is amazing good guy And now I in an ideal world. There's actually a dude under there. Yeah, exactly and not a ghost That's a small thing, right? Right. Uh, he he's the master of the tactical rock He's like dual rocks to go dual rocks with dual swords Um, just the sweeping cloak the armor is beautiful because it's not overly designed But there is that the elegant filigree across the whole thing Yeah, um, yeah, like he's not chunky like so much of good guys For warhammer, whether it's space marines or whether it's sigmarines or whatever They're just their dimensions are way too fat and he just feels like more adequately proportioned So I love them. I just love them. Now granted this the helmet you could debate but Now I actually like the helmet a lot. I think it doesn't I think it's doing a huge amount by having those those pieces on the side I think of lunith realm lords that helmet is probably the least ridiculous. Yes, it is Which actually goes a long way. Maybe this look not ridiculous Um, but yeah, the fact that it's missing a guy It just kind of feels like it's half of a model in a way It was wild as this model was was like spoiled for like a month before I ever realized there was no guy in it Everything I saw like I love this. I didn't even notice that because everything else is so well done I I agree with you. It's weird, but um, all right Uh, I just like him. I just he does the good guy thing the bestest. Okay, so I think it's super sweet. There's not an elf inside and like this is literally them rekindling what was left of eltharian spirit He had a he had a very interesting death in the end times And so it was actually nice to see Because the easy way to go for all of these old characters is to not advance their story Is to just be like, yep, they're back now. Why because Timey-wimey magic On the space dragon and took it to the promise land. Yeah, exactly Like that's this that's the easy way to go and it's fine Like I get it for I get it for people like why Is arc on the black still alive well arc on the black is still alive because and looks and acts the same because His spirit is intertwined with negosh. And so as long as negosh exists arc on exists, right? Like so cool I'm in for that. He showed up and looked the same because negosh is unchanging so arc on's unchanging, right? But by the way, this guy also Just absolutely housed Arc on the black speaking of that like took arc on to the cleaners So yeah, like drug him along the end of the realm until he just of light until he disintegrated Like this version of this version about tharion Like grabbed him as revenge and like literally took him to the edge of the realm and just went like like against the like, you know that scene in In avengers when the when he puts the the rocket hand on the big guy with the hammer and shoots somebody He goes off the volcano barrier until he just explodes. Yeah. He did that to him Okay Anyways, so what's that? So we know the fate of teclis. What's what's the deal with tharion in the age of sigmar? You don't tell him he's over there ruling like he's blind Um, we have no like he's been mentioned in a couple of stories Um, trying to find the cross. Let me see god. So he's not like it's not that big of a deal for me physically lie Um, he's like, yeah, there's they're all four gods now All four of the classic elven people who are in charge of their two respective realms are all gods Tharion has his own forces. He has his own half of haish. We just haven't seen his personal forces other than his Representative like the special character guy on the the weird antelope mount. Yeah, that's his like personal left That's gonna be the lrl book So I wouldn't get your hopes up. We still we'll still do that. We'll do the rest of teclis first You gotta save something for 2023 Or halfway in between is it released the second half of that book through the second time And so uh at any rate I like Um, I like that there's nothing in here like it's a cool take because they could have just brought back another elf guy Yeah, but they didn't and it's like a wonderful You want to talk about like showing the capabilities of modern sculpting technology? Like this thing is wild. This is engineering. Like this is there's no way about it like If you have to take a minute to figure out how it all fits together And you until you hold it in your hand, it's can be hard to to figure out I just think it's awesome that they could pull that off. Yes I can imagine like kind of getting bored doing same thing over and over again So this is kind of like a fun departure from right normal elf dude. Yeah, it kind of shows like It also helps expand the world of like what's possible in that range.  Yeah, right. So it's telling its own story just by its very existence, right? Yeah Okay, uh all right The yeah, he's good. It's cool stuff. Um, I think he's the best one in the lrl range I think so too. I looked through the entire range and I was like gosh He's he just stood up and there's some of the best new You know good guy models best new order models. Yeah, sure sure now You had made a claim that he's like the best foot hero type thing in aos. Are you gonna say did you say just good guys? I said good guys. Oh, okay. Well, then that's I might not have a pushback. Yeah I was thinking maybe you were gonna pick iron man storm cast but I mean bastion carthalos is is pretty great. And so is guard of steel. So yes, they are talking on there But it's not fair when they get like as many single foot heroes is the rest of the entire game I didn't hear the good part. So I was going to go to sig bald because obviously Yes, yes, but oh, okay, but you said good guys. So I so order objection objection Right. So yeah, the objection sustained. Yeah exactly. Okay Oh So it's not rad do car. It's rad duck car. I don't know. That's what I typed Okay, I don't I don't know. Yeah, who I may have mistyped it Who picked this who who is the pick of this one? You could probably pretty easily figure it out, but I don't know Let's give a second. Exactly. Yeah, everybody everybody's sitting here likes vampires. Everybody could have picked this All right, but but yeah, I mean this one is me and dude This guy's awesome. I don't know what else to say about him pick me vampire down there. He's like daddy Yes Like I painted this dude. I love this dude Uh, he is part of my my accidental soul blank grave lords army that keeps happening That's probably more pain than mine. Um, but I mean he's done. So You mean of the army? Yeah, yeah, also he's done No, I think you still have more army to me for now for now Look, this dude is beastial when you're named the beast Okay, and this guy was just an absolute pleasure to paint like what a fun model He has details on him, but none of it was annoying. He still has a lot of actual open space Like the cloak is most of his back. He's got kind of like the layered cloak situation His legs are very clear down to like the the his, you know, beastie beastial feet Um, now I will say I did not put the little Yes, the little dip wads on my face. I wouldn't do that. Dude, why not? That's part of the comic relief. They're cute, but I was like, no, I want radicar stands alone He doesn't need anybody else. Right like I just want this dude out there looking ready and So I just I read this model really struck me and it's so funny how Much better this version is than radicar the wolf out of cursed city Who I think is one of the weakest sculpts in the box. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie I kind of wrote this model off just because of how disappointing that that model was It was such a cool idea to have like A different like an ogre vampire. I mean we've only ever seen humanoid vampires. Then it was kind of so sad I mean it doesn't even feel like an ogre. Yeah, either, but this yeah, this looks awesome And he's big too.  Yeah, honestly, he's a 54 millimeter miniature. Yeah That's what he is, but he fits in single figure, but he fits. Yes. He does So he's he but he's so he's scaled it's basically just a scaled up 54 millimeter humanoid, right? And that makes him so much more pleasurable to paint Obviously as the answer like his facial details are bigger his musculature and volumes are more defined Everything on this guy is just good. So yeah, I I dig Radikar. I think he very much Is just like perfectly captures what he's meant to be about Right. He's the because this is sort of the final form of the villain, right?  Yeah, this isn't even my final form, right? And this dude is such a glow up over that like he feels like a final form second boss type of situation I think this is the gonna be the one of the models that once I paint it My opinion of it will only go up because I haven't painted mine yet. I don't think I've appreciated how cool he is Um, I'm a little nervous to try to do NMM on all that little filigree based Gobbledygook, honestly, not as bad as you think because that all my whole SPG army's in NMM and It's not as bad as you think it's because here's the trick It's not filigree gobbledygook I know exactly what you mean the worst thing to navigate NMM on maybe I don't know if Scott you feel the same Is on like a single piece that has all sorts of weird filigree things going in and out in different layers And sums this little tiny detail and etched things, but that's not what this is. These are just bands Okay, every piece is a band same on his chest It's all just bands and so and they have logical break points So it's a flat plane that comes to a break point and then a flat plane that comes to a break point And you have so you have all these wonderful crisp edges on the band So you can create like a nice flexion line down the middle of the NMM But you can still get your your your crisp edges in there You can have a sharp like they they make sharp turns. You understand what I'm saying like on the on the armor They're also overlapping as well. Like when filigree is like on a cloak Impossible, right because like you could almost visualize that shoulder as one hunk of metal And then just recess shade a tongue when you're done with it. Yeah, that's good. Yes so honestly, it's a pleasure to do the NMM on this because It's it for the same reason doing NMM on swords is fun, right? Because you just got like flat planes you're working with and you can play with the reflections That's what is actually going on here with this guy's armor So is this this guy what's your theory on if this was supposed to be an expansion for cursed city that just kind of became an AOS release man. I don't know. I I don't even it feels like it came out too fast for them to have changed everything but It at the same time it also feels like how could it not have been, right? Right It just yeah, it seems like an upgraded boss for cursed city But yeah, they changed the whole packaging and everything. I see what you're saying You could have easily had another the expansion box that is more Bad guys and includes velodana vulga and includes him. Yeah, and he includes Some yeah, like Chris and and and yonka. Yes Yeah, I mean in the end. I'm happy we got them and they didn't hold them back because I think all of them are good sculpts Um, I mean grandma vampire is awesome on her wool. All four of those are good. Um But the what excites me is they've said Okay, hey cursed city is relaunching this year and we have more expansions planned. So clearly that wasn't their whole Right, which I actually think you'll see expansions beyond just Dead stuff beyond so blight I think we'll see other heroes other forces coming in Imagine chaos gets in there and wants a piece of it. Maybe we get a cool chaos excursion band or something like that, right? So there could they could do other fun stuff in the same way when you think of blackstone fortress, which is clearly the template here It's not like everything for blackstone fortress was just the monsters of blackstone fortress. Yes, some of them were But we also got additional heroes and things like that who we're going into blackstone. Yes, please I will take more delicious heroes. Yeah, absolutely Especially if we get to explore those unique corners of aos Again, like with blackstone where we got the the what was it? He's like a man of metal or whatever the the actual ai dude who's like walking around And he's like, oh, yeah, it's just me. I'm an ad mech robot I am not self aware. You know that dude. Yep. Um man of iron or whatever they're called That's such a cool concept. That's just always been there in the lore and now finally we got a need figure for it This dude just hiding out for 20,000 years or however old he is, right? Or a normal wood elf without force for feet, you know Very appreciative of that should have you thank you. You can wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills that first cup I'm shocked. We didn't see one of these painted at golden demon. It is kind of surprising. There wasn't a single one Maybe because of the little dudes on there. Yeah, it's a lot of work for single figure Well, if because the little dudes I think that would disqualify him from single figure Maybe people would feel like it wasn't because you're not supposed to have other figures Yeah on the base. Could you do melodoma?  I don't think so. I don't think you can't win That being said you could easily imagine a whole diorama happening around him or somebody using him at a diorama or something That would be pretty hot like that's that's a slam dunk. All right The ogre tyrant Who picked the ogre tyrant? Who indeed who selected this one? Uh, this is obviously a newer sculpt like this is our the newest ogre is what I mean Yes, um came out as the hero in the fomo box when they came out So guess is in chat who picked this one? We'll give them another moment here It's hard to say it's not being held by hand with the distinct wedding ring. So I don't know. Yeah, could have been anybody Yeah, it's could have been anybody. It's it's I came out in the box with uh, OBR in it right and they got they both got new heroes and this is one of the new heroes Correct. I figure that box is called like like flesh tight or bone tight or something feast of bones feast of bones There you go. Yeah, they all have good ball names. All right was revealing who picked this one I did that's right. This was scott. I knew this one to throw a curveball people. Yeah, so I I have a long term under the sheets loving relationship with a couple of races in fantasy one of them is skaven One of them is ogres Yep, I just I love lot things about them and it kind of gets the foot of the door One of those things is the fact that they dip their hands in blood before they go to do war That's just so cool. Yep.  Yeah, that entire army. It just seems appealing to paint Just because they're just larger figures. There's less of them and they're bigger. I love that idea It is such a fun army to paint. Honestly, I watched your video on painting them in 24 hours or hour time. Yeah, yeah And it's totally doable because of that bigger space again because they're simpler models You have a lot of similar surfaces It can be very easy to work with things like you could do oil paints on them and do an awesome job You could do an airbrush on them and do an awesome job, but that space is easy to navigate They have really logical volumes like their muscles are extremely well defined They all have very expressive faces like all the ogres have these really expressive faces Yeah, so I I have this model purchased a long time ago. I actually bought it from someone who bought that box I've got like the spruce for it Because he wasn't like available as a single figure immediately and I I am waiting for the day I would love to paint this model Yeah, I mean this is the one and I think you could my only thing with him honestly Yeah, is I would head swap and I don't love his existing helm Okay, and I think it would be cool to have more of like an open faced ogre helm if he had a big Top knot. Yeah, because that's one of the looks of like some of the ogre leaders They have the big, you know, like top knots that go way down And I think that could be cool, especially if he if it was like kind of off to the side Maybe had a little bit of movement with him. Yeah There and that would let you Draw I'll beat my the reason I say that is because it's actually hard to draw attention to the center of this figure To his face, right because there's so much other Crap going on all of them. There's a lot. There's a lot, right?  Yes, that'd be so cool Side note, can you play ogres in more time? I don't think you can in more time. Yeah Yeah, there's a there's a fan made ogre warband. Yeah, like it was in no, it wasn't even fan made ogres. There's four different levels of Warbands in wartime. Oh, no, there's the cracking it up right now The official ones that were part of both the either the book or then released officially There's the town crier expansion ones, which are semi official There's the unofficial ones that got made as part of like the wartime collective And then there's just pure fan stuff that they've made and In one of those is an ogre is a couple different ogre warbands. As a matter of fact in one of those circles of hell Yeah, so I mean I have all those files. I think I shared them out. Yes, you did. Um, but yeah, like they like speaking of underworld So we've gotten so many cool one-off lovely ogres It'd be so cool to put together a little warband and specialized ogre characters Yeah old man eaters and this new stuff like there's so many great designs. Yes The I mean you mentioned wartime the wartime ogre Is really good the cursed city ogre character. Yeah. Yes. He is yes Probably my second favorite sculpt in that box. Like he would have been my after the skeleton Yeah, yeah, I would have picked it like if you if I if you would have said no bench You got to pick a like a single figure a single character. I would have went to the ogre Because again that guy's super awesome brutal corpse eater or whatever his name is how many eats corpses Yes, that's his whole thing. He just eats dead corpses. That's why he's in cursed city. I love that. That's so cool. Because you know buffet So um Yeah, I mean like all the ogre characters are cool. I I hope that at some point Now that we're starting to see some of these old characters get re-sculpted Like when we get the new books what we've seen a couple times is the old fine cast stuff getting re-sculpts I hope hope hope Fingers crossed throw salt over the shoulder knock on whatever wood you've got to got around you The next time we get a book for ogres. Can we Please get new butcher slash slash slaughter master. Yeah, those two figs are horrendous There's some of the ugliest worst figs in all of the history of Oh Every ogre character I've ever seen trust me if you held this thing in hand now you would be like, oh god You might just throw it away Yeah, yeah, it's frightening. Exactly like they're so bad. Okay. They just Yeah, it's all they're bad Let's leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. They could use a re-sculpt but like the new tyrant that new brutog You know even the the ogre characters that are on Um The the stone horns and the the thundertusks those are good. The somebody mentioned the fire belly the dude who's like Yes, that guy's awesome. Super cool dig that guy still that sculpt still holds up fine What's the other fat guy who's carried by much nobler's? Oh, greeces greeces gold tooth greeces gold tooth. That's a cool idea from model two. Yes um So like the the ogre characters are classy and good, but just that butch and that's laudermaster boil boy where they they were They were bad the minute they released and then they've been Time has not been kind So fingers crossed new new uh Somebody said the studio pictures of them are fine having the models in your hand to make you hate or Maybe that's why I am like Yeah, I'm the same page because they're they're super bad. All right black coach.  Who has the old pewter black coach? You can kill somebody with this guy. Yeah, dude. It's like a little chunk of like a baseball It's not the most killy model. The I think the most killy old model is the old stegadon Like the fifth edition stegadon because that thing had spikes on it, too. Oh my gosh. Okay.  This is the best death model. Okay Um, this is your pick. This is my pick. Yes. This is better than anything. It's all like rape lords And I wish that there was an amazing Um, vampire or I wish that vampire lord and zombie dragon. There is a vampire in that thing. Yes. See he's in the box What about the gash? Uh, no, it's much better than the gash. The gash is so corny Um, bit the giant popat, but this is like it's got movement. It looks like it's taking off There's so much going on, but it's not like I can't visually understand what's happening Um, it tells a little bit of a story. It's a big model It is a centerpiece and it's a super super cool centerpiece. Yes. Um, everything about this The you know, it's santa slay like the the way that those those Courses are like taking off. Yeah, sure. It's got kind of the coaches coming down. Yes, they're coming up thing Just they're just touching off like the santa claws Um, and just getting up again. So I don't know. I just It is it is just really really well done. It is something that could not have been made 10 years ago Yeah, the design work of this is so cool. And I just I love it My only issue with it. I I agree. It's an amazing model. Yeah, I take no issue with this model at all My only issue with it is even on the bigger base. It's on because it's on like the it's on the imperial night base Yes, it's a big yes. Yeah, it's the 170 mil. Oh, wow. Okay. It's huge. It's big Even on that base it overhangs its base Yeah, the horses are all flying up off the base. Wouldn't you prefer that to being like oversized? I feel like it was slightly undersized. It's kind of cool. No, it's fine. It just means it's often annoying in play Okay, yeah, right because you're like, oh, I'm gonna charge you Don't yeah, you're like head by people like the hose of the the horses right you got a tokyo drifted in I think you have to you have to put it up on like on something and like tom's black coach He has a whole well he he built the mind. He took the mausoleum from The graveyard that's been released as a train kid under five different names, you know over time The sigmarite mausoleum or or whatever the gardener more He took one of those mausoleums built that top of it. So it's like scraping along the roof Remember when that and then that gets it up so you can actually touch other models with the base He broke that at your house when we went when he were over at your place. He did. Oh sky wasn't there. He wasn't no Uh, yeah He was painting it. He was like gluing it at this weird angle propped against like a pop can Tom was there and a thing of chips And like it had to hang just perfectly So it would glue in the the angle that he wanted and then later like he grabbed chips and just the whole thing Yeah, we brought tom up as we had to replace you we did it before so we said tom's replacement While we were all working on our models tom painted a whole army. Yes, he painted this entire this entire night tom army Oh, it was so much stuff. Ask tom for speed painting tips He's got you. He's got you covered. See, I mean the black coach is great. It's a super good example You're exactly right what they can do Now and like dynamism. Yes in a model Little shout out to the The ghosts on the back who are just like hanging on and messing with the sword and stuff carrying the sword Yeah, like those guys don't need to be there. Yeah, I mean, but that that's night hot in a nutshell, right? We don't make ghosts bigger. We just add on more Yeah, each ghost is doing its own thing. Yeah, it's like, oh you're a ghost in a boat same size ghost just in a boat Yes, okay, but I so you truly think this is the best death model right now Yes, it is. I picked this over each individual crimson cork vampire. It's better than those None of those I love bigger No, I mean it's it's a I mean it is a display piece and this piece could be Asterisk out for your design pleasure in your army of choice for me. I love dead things so much This is the coolest dead thing. So this is my favorite blood knights. Yeah, the new blood knights. They're cool They're definitely cool, but they don't have the grandeur of this thing. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got you. All right I like I mean, I don't know that I would pick this over Or Maybe like I mean I had rada car previously or Rada car is really good. Yeah, or um Or what's his name head of the obr guy whose name eludes me at this Krakatoa. Yeah, Krakatoa Krakatoa is in Krakatoa Just because catacross has the whole His his whole cork around him right, but I but I get it That's also kind of cheating because catacross again Is like a bunch of models that aren't really connected in a logical way.  Yeah, it's side note if samurai bone daddy was his own single model He'd probably be on my top five. Oh samurai bone daddy is the coolest catacross space. Yeah, that screams john Yeah, sure. It's a dead samurai. Come on. That dude is sweet. All right This is a classic model, man. Okay So again, we'll give him a second to put the guesses in in the chat as to who Is this whose model is the gaunt someter? I think there's so far in our list. There's one that I didn't know And that was the over tiring because I think we could all pick that. Yeah, so I didn't know who picked it I think I know who's this is So This model didn't come out with silver tower. It was out well before that game, right? So the gaunt summoner I don't remember who's exact because there's two different gaunt summons. That's the trick There's a gaunt summoner on disc and I think this is the silver tower version The one on foot I think came out with silver tower The one on disc came out before with the ever-chosen release with Archeon and the baron guard Okay, that sounds correct man herring guard I forgot about them So Like all right, I picked the gaunt summoner. I actually like this one on foot It's not that the disc one is incredibly similar and yes, this one's my model I freaking love this dude and I'll tell you why I like models that you look at and you get like the entire faction that they're a part of Boom, you know it. Yeah, right? So you get the feel you get what they're what they're all about And everything about zinch is in this weird model His actual symbol is his staff. He's got the extra eyeballs zinch loves extra eyes.  He doesn't have eyes He just has this like big Horror movie mouth Mothasauron kind of thing. He's got the three arms, which I love zinch things with three arms right magic book Magic dagger stabbing into the magic book releasing magic. Yes the feathers of the whole bird motif. Yep. Yep Yep every motif and theme of zinch Is in this one model. Yeah, yeah Right And and the stabbing the book is really kind of the coolest thing I think absolutely that is so cool You gotta kill that horcrux, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like that. Yeah I like the feathers on the cloak too. Yes to go down the swooping It's very He's he's static but with movement. He's beautiful to paint. I I I have this guy in my zinch army I painted him and I just I really loved him for me It came down by the way to this guy or the changeling who I think is another really really solid hero from this Just doing more the changeling is a little too like I'm a guy in robes So you look cool, but that's like stab words So how much does zinch kind of lending itself to your favorite colors influence your decision about liking zinch? Oh, I mean a hundred percent. That's part of it. Yes. Okay, like Yeah, I mean, I don't like green or disease or gross things and I have tryptophobia So nergal presents a very big problem to me, right all the other chaos gods I I have I have an army of all the other chaos gods, right, right? Those are nergal's I guess I kind of have a nergal army now like thousand points of nergal But I kind of get it But I have a huge zinch army and yes, absolutely. I mean their colors are like bright blue into teal cyan aqua kind of range pink And purple like okay. You got me I'll buy the models. Yep. I mean a hundred percent. It's it's uh It's cool to be able to work in colors you like and have it feel like it's appropriate for those models. Yeah, I get that Cool, I get that. But yeah, I just love this dude I think he's like a singularly great model in a range and there's not many others out there There are such perfect encapsulations of everything about the particular god. Yeah, so yeah, there you go Good choice. Good choice. Not one that I would have picked, but I respect it I respect it. Very good All right, let's see what's coming up next Speaking of the baron guard The ever-chosens elite Yeah, so I read a book like about like chaos and I like how I misspelled baron guard Down the bottom when you spell correctly It's come on It's like literally right in my face.  We're also finishing up last work emails and set everything up I need Like I'm not like trying to have phone conversations with people to make sure everything's gonna be fine While I'm gone from because I'm you know away from work for a couple of days And then I have to like I go boom save it good Send it to myself. So that way I've got copies of it And it's make sure it's saved up into into one drive and everything and then close everything down Go upstairs tell my wife right. We're leaving. So that's you know, it wasn't exactly a lot of time Right, right. Anyways, we don't have time to spell words correctly. That's right Uh, all right. These guys are big. They are okay. This is me Uh, this is the model. This is the closest thing to nostalgia. You'll ever find for me Oh, let's hear it in Warhammer when I first found out about Uh, painting miniatures from a local store. They had the Aegis Sigma original Aegis Sigma box set out there And these had it wasn't when it was just released, but when I first discovered it these had just come out and these are these are a bit of like aged nine to like 13 John 100 It feels like 80s 90s bad guy cartoons In the worst way of just being over the top just being so deadly so nasty and filled with gobbledygook and I love it They're like the armor guys They're they're thulsa dunes Raiders, right? But But then tilted even more, right like those guys on tilt Describing them that way and make me want to buy them even more Now the only pushback I have on these guys is that man, I'm glad they only come three to a box because they are a project Yes, like I've painted four of these Which is a weird number. Yeah, I have I have a unit of three for my zine charming Okay, and then I wanted to make a special converted lord out of one of them for my Slinash slaves of darkness army So I used to like one of these bodies and made a castle or not a lot about four after you painted three After so you knew what you were getting. I knew what I was getting into. I still have the other two in the box They're they're just like, maybe sometime we'll get used one of the only unpainted miles of business house There I was way too many of those there now these days, but uh, but they are be Z. Yes, they're busy and and most stuff.   It's just an extremely detailed layer Right because all of the armor has the filigree around every part the flat armor panels themselves have the chaos symbols of different kinds etched into them, right like so there's They're they're like logical to resolve you don't look at them and go wait Is this a belt or a buckle or a bejangle on top of a belt buckle bejangle? Yes, right? Yeah, there might there's just there's a lot to it. They're my favorite chaos model overall I just think that they scream chaos to me when I think chaos. I think of you know of the ever chosen of Yeah, you know of you know the chaos gods and stuff are all cool, but this these guys are just I just love them. So yeah, so they're also one of the first Mounted models and I know there were some before them including the wood elf ones on the elk That really have captured more movement and dynamic horse movement. Oh, yeah, sure realistically Now it's kind of the norm, but back then.  Yes one leg slightly up And so these were just like oh man, this feels like Real action at the table. You can like visualize these guys trampling over whatever was in their way So I love them and then you put them on the table and you see like a regular size cavalry next to them Oh my god, put these next to it. They look like babies. I know it looks like a regular old cast knight looks like this guy's dog Riding beside him and I just love that.  So I love that. Yeah And so hey, what's up? Zuma Kito? How you doing? Uh And he said my eyes have some problems, you know trying to figure out where to look on these models So one of the things I did because I don't disagree with that I actually don't the only part of this model. I don't love is the chaos heads Feel I don't know weird their their their heads are kind of overwrought like the riders heads. Yeah, okay So I actually swapped their heads for more simple Designs like more simple heads exposed chaos heads or helmeted heads. Yeah, so like two of them have helmeted heads One has an exposed head and it's amazing like it actually Draws your attention much better when you look at the model then because there's a there's a place where you can really push The highlights and the brightness without it being overwhelming in the center of the figure So I found it made a big difference Okay Good pick good pick Absolutely. It's funny. You funny. You just said Oh You gotta show my unpainted Why do you fear it? I mean, I so I was like, okay, I'm gonna pick miles I'm gonna pick my look at ones that I can actually own first Sure. Sure. And so I thought for simplicity's sake. I always just take pictures of them I guess I could have just wrote it out But talk about the best death model. This is it Nephrata, dude. Come on. I love a mean lady and she is the meanest lady I mean and the models all the more parts are awesome, but she's sure the best side saddle She's got elegance, but she's still killing everybody like come on. This is this is the queen of the dead right here Hurt nephrata herself 100% agree with you.  I like I don't dislike it. So when I'm painting it right now I'm painting it with a burnt bone and the ghosts on the inside like this like red white pink And I'm really like that kind of like that glowing like internal look which I kind of lifted from I think it was arcana black or or was it uh, man Orange skeletons and yeah, yeah, manford has the orange skeleton. Yeah, I love that idea so much I think it works so well with this model, but yeah, I love nephrata. She's my favorite character in All of war hammer lore. I love her. Okay, so I like her mount the best of all of the mounts. I agree. I agree I think the head of hers is my least favorite. That's weird. Really. Yeah It is quite large. I like it because it's bigger and because it's like blind Like it has its face plate down over where its eyes are I just think that actually is a neat look that sets it aside from the other The other abyssal mounts. Okay And I do think she like of the three of them. I agree. She's the best sculpt. Yes, like I Because she has much more character arc on feels He's okay. I would rate him number two. Manfred. I think is the worst of the three just because I don't really like manfred sculpt Yeah, I don't either. Although I do like his kitty cat second best. Yes Other than the other than the having forehead. Other than having bone bat ears because ears aren't made of bone, but sure His things got ears. Yeah. Yes. Like yes. He does. Yes. Yes. His has bat ears Right bone because he like bats cartilage Manfred like bats He bat man. Yeah. He bat guy. So he I mean look you get to do it every one He's just over there chipping away. He probably sculpted that out of magic or whatever I don't match magic bone. That's it. We got it.  I just wish they weren't bat man has ears. They're not doing anything You can poke with them You want to see like some flesh on this is that what you're saying? Yeah, this is so OBR for me I wish they just weren't a big skeleton. Um and actually I've seen a kit batch of these That of the mounts that looks 10 times better and they're like in the hover pose They're like backup fully vertical. Yeah, sure head sticking out And if you took that Like a hover pose of these things and they put tiranid wings on them and then you put the big Crimson court goliath dude And you put him just like standing on his shoulder because I don't think vampires should be in a saddle They don't need that they can stand on top of a dragon's head. They can stand on his shoulder They're vampires. You're saying all vampires have spider climb all the time. Yes. Yeah I mean, they're just standing there stoic is the thing is flying in because that's a vampire thing to do Sure. So that is a baller move standing on your mount Surfing on your mount is the most baller moves Maybe though I would just point out that neffy's pose also isn't really writing it in the true way She's just like relaxed and chill like this is circumstance. Yeah, like this is all beneath her I know I know it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Which also makes the statement Yeah, so I mean like she's not just sitting there like this, right? Yeah, like like manfred, right? He's just like Um, I love her. I love her model. It's very very good But speaking of like modern casting technology, she came around in times, right? All the more tarks did But you put these guys together, right? Have you put a more product together ever? Like they're they're kind of like bouncing on top of like the tail a little bit Yeah, they have a spring to them, right? They're lifted up. They're like flying off into the sky So it's like a really cool dynamic. I think they are the initial blungy factor models. They are. Yeah, the blungy factor That's above a seven. Yeah, these are the initial. Oh, yeah Yeah, I I built mine as So I've only ever put together one of the Of these in this kit the mortar kit I put mine together as archon at the time because it was there to go with my tomb kings army As part of the end time like I had one of them Well, I mean I have 13 000 points of painted tomb kings So, you know, I had a whole contingent that was like archons people loyal to negash And then I had a much bigger thing that was setras. Yeah, okay, so that's the black pyramid thing and okay Yeah, yeah, so you wouldn't get this. It's okay. You're talking lord. I'm falling asleep So and then but I did paint nephie actually Like I painted her separate and I just used her as a vampire lord. Nice. So Uh, all right Yeah, five years ago All right next Okay, uh, yeah Uh, I saw it speaking of uh Of trevarian being in the chat. You're right here madame. Yeah. Yeah, this is trevarian's pick Yes, pick All right, so got guess guesses in the chat of who's this one was Uh, we'll give him a moment. So obviously I just went so it's it's likely not I mean, we haven't had any back to back yet, but I feel like that's a thing vince would do He would do it back to back. It could be a thing. I would do just to throw it out at you. It could be a thing I would do. Okay Uh, it says has to be vince e1 miniatures All right, a lot of people saying me that's another that's in more vences. All right Who's is this? This is me. Okay. I actually didn't know but I know you've talked about this a lot I love this miniature. I wanted to do this for golden demon, but then trove painted it so well. I'm like, nah But like I love me Uh, a monster plus man, right?  It's got the hooves Nice open pose. Yep. There's a lot of skin to paint the gnarly face is just like screaming I can like almost visualize the saliva coming out of his mouth One of my original favorite favorite models was the ogre thermotage from Yes, uh, what's that also silver tower silver tower And then this one just kind of surpassed it.  I think if there's something that it's not a 10 on a 10 to me It's the horns are a little bit too much Um where they're out and there's another horns and their side horns.  That's the only that's the only thing So I agree with all of your everything you just said I agree with you completely This dude is awesome. Are you excited that we're getting ogre therodons or whatever the new ogre unit unit of arborites uh from potato pick I didn't I didn't they didn't scream. They felt a little bit too Chonky and and Not as much movement is this guy, but again, I have to see it in in like a real We're not gonna totally judge from from potato from from the 1997 nokia pick I've often said that slaves to well when I originally figured it out trying to pick which army I was going to play when I first got in the ages age of sigmar, um, this was my two choices was uh death or them and so Who's them? Uh slaves to dark slaves. Oh, okay. And so because they're they're they're pure 80s bad guys And so this this guy is he falls right into that for me. And so having them as a unit. Oh, yeah That's that's a bit of me. I might can I also just say that I love shirtless muscular dudes Okay, sure to paint In this case, that's what we're talking about. No, I mean like I love good muscle structure well defined Right and like this dude's muscles are just awesome Like the width of the sculpting on them in like look at like the detail around the shoulder muscle And in the in the like pecs and that kind of change I love when you get that kind of detail in the muscle where it just feels like this dude is just Ripped like he's made of solid steel cables on there. Yeah Okay question for you. Yes. What are your thoughts on rap mongers and the equivalent unit you can build? Yeah, the skull rapers. Yeah, I don't like that. They're they're all wearing hammer pants Hammer pants, is it dirt? Yeah, sure. They get hammer pants like MC hammer Yeah, or aprons. They're like wearing like armored parachute pants and and aprons and then nothing up top I like them.  Yeah, it's not gonna end well, but I like the the core model itself Yeah, there's a lot of concussions that happen on a daily basis in that in that team That's why they're so that's why they're so angry. Yes. I can't remember So yeah, like those are good, but this is like the perfected form of that to me. Yeah It is a great monster. Yeah All right Uh Mogweth In her her blade coven Can we discuss how to pronounce this person's name? Is it mogweth or is it mogweth? I know you Mogwai Mogwai Obviously we're talking about the center figure here, but I did include the whole the whole thing because I mean the whole blade coven is Ben painted this for Uh, a golden demon as he did. Ben Randall. Yeah, he painted he painted mogweth mogwai Herself. Yeah, so so whose pick do you think this is? We'll give a second there. I think this could be either of you. This is tough. I don't know who it is I think it could be either of you. Oh, okay. So then That leads us to believe Bum bum bum Oh, this is yours.   Got him. I have a thing. You know, I like elves, right? Sure I've always liked dark elves too. I never actually dabbled in dark elves like the army, but I played dark el dar Um, yeah So I yeah dark elves have always been kind of an interest of mine And as we discussed the underworlds war bands are amazing And I think one that definitely rises to the top is mogweth's blade coven And it's it's just because of that chick in the middle Well, not just because but I think that's the that's the biggest reason I took her top half and turned her into a blood knight Actually kind of loved how she had that chalice. Sure. I just fell kind of uh vampiric in a way But yeah, I love that model in the middle. Yeah, I mean all of these are absolutely fantastic That's the bottom line like the obviously I do have a daughter's cane army. I didn't paint this underworlds warband for it yet Um, I'm surprised. Yeah, I mean it just it just it kind of came out after I had finished my daughter's army And so it's often hard for me to go back to a project because like I I got the army where I was really happy with it. I have like 3000 points, I think painted something like that and like I was really happy with where it was I liked what I did and it's just you know, you move on to other projects But it really tempted me. I mean she is gorgeous. This again is to me They took the concept of all of the older elf dark elf skulls and then pushed them Both in the in the initial launch of the dock when you got like the snake ladies and the canary and stuff like that, right? But then this let us also reimagine the witch elves and the sisters of slaughter Like that sister who's just you know, who's like up like this like coming off the rock I don't know of another figure anywhere that's posed So dynamically where her hand is the lowest point on the miniature. Yeah, the rest of her is up above that, right? Yeah And for the longest time I kind of felt like homeless in age of sigmar because like none of my armies were like getting cool models And I was always flirting with the idea of playing a daughter's a cane army because they always just look so cool Um, and you have one. I do. Yes. I mean you have like 13 armies, right? 20, but yes Those numbers keep growing 20 man, you know, who's counting by the time this episode over is gonna be 21 It's gonna have painted an army in this episode Uh, but like honestly, this is a great army too. I mean, obviously it's getting a new book here in sometime soon. It's one of the one of the two books that's coming out along with ghosts and Uh, I mean, it's a very very very fun army to play. It's always been competitive Yeah, uh without usually being overbearing like it's just always remained solidly competitive and You can run it Like over time it's been run in different ways We'll see how when the new book comes out like is it more you want a lot of little girls Maybe you want more of the elite stuff, you know, so that you can we'll we'll see how the new one shakes out But it is a very It's a very compelling army to run because you've always in every incarnation. I've just had multiple books and stuff like that over time It's always felt like you were doing the thing.  That is what the army feels like like it it it plays it feels it runs like it says on the tin And these sculpts captured that really well I I always did all my models with the hair like I never just did the sister's slaughter face mask without the hair Because I just think the hair is like the coolest part of them. Yeah, I love the Yes, yes, like that fourth fifth edition cover of like the of the dark elves with the witch off on the cover with her hair just be like Yeah, yeah, right She's got she actually has the corn symbol in that picture because that was what they were Yeah, because at that time like cane was just their name for corn was basically the trick of it