about we changed it can i put what when we when i tweet out oh sure should be in the title i'm just hoping that know what we're really discussing i was gonna say just don't don't give it a second you might tweet out a link that ends up being walk preempting all looks like like it according to my thing we're lying no one comes in in chat yet so that's not reassuring you gotta give a moment to file in true to watch the show was just sitting up in advance or anything well there we go i think it's all working now okay give it like i said you're like five minutes but that should be the link and don't worry about thumbnail it's it's correct for normal people normal yeah i said it i went there that's you hear me if you if you don't see the thumbnail proper that means you're a bad person five dollars to see the thumbnail it's all nails are a premium feature you want access to the premium thumbnails yes just just give up a treat it's only gonna go on your ass it's only five dollars it's like two coffees two frackety i'm checking myself it's not showing up on my channel yet this the amount people in chat this can't be a secret stream so that's something excellent who knows how long that'll last hello everyone i hope i hope hello works properly hola senora i just saw someone make a make a joke that was if i think i was southpaw if he comes back you'll be called kim john undead i thought she let me into though is that the suicide see that you're but uh... it's insensitive though this confirmed yet i don't know yeah is it that is he not dead there's that image of him apparently dead yeah i think that was a photoshop job but uh... i know that there's been a lot of like apparently activity between china and north korea as if they're all like in panic mode get off my lawn no you get off my lawn oh god the brain surgery not even once that's my opinion that's that's my hot take for the day just letting you know i don't think you should have brain surgery is that what happened well because brain surgery because because it can go bad you know the times that it goes good it's just not worth it what if you got brain cancer just well that's it then straight away it'll be fine it's like rolling badly on monopoly you just gotta be like well that's it you don't just get brain surgery do you i mean if you paid for it i guess they just go around in there is that a new mechanical monopoly brain surgery i would be on board that's the piece that i normally am the brain just disembodied brain can can one only not no it's no inside a head or anything just an actual brain brain and one of them the hat the hat was always my go-to piece because it hides a brain beneath is that why uh... well i have a skull so and that hides a brain beneath yet yes knew it that really it's more of an accessory i love to accessorize all i wear is an accessory new it no clothes just a hat just a hat so i'm a little doggie head so uh... this is you've had the eighty three because they do to is me maroonies uh... we're getting closer and closer to that number one hundred rags is not terrifying it is terrifying ten thousand our streaming coming i imagine i think it's open corona would destroy civilization before we had to try to digit this even even if it did we people be like but still streaming for but like all you hear people outside breaking into our houses and just like hang on it'll just be you streaming to no one like everyone else is dead yeah people told me i needed to research e-fap they said you need to look into this so i looked into it it's like e-fap number fifty went on for like two fucking days and i know that if we have a twenty six hour whatever stream for if i would have to people be like wow you guys gotta let us down there don't very long i'll just be like have to kill someone it shouldn't be first anniversary was a day your second anniversary has to be two days that's how it works eventually until we can figure out a way that we can take rotations and it's just a non-stop e-fap stream you have to say it's like one one week per month just to cover all the superchats yeah i mean the seventh anniversary should be a week long right seven weeks good fucking like the e-fap one hundred seven year long stream per seventh anniversary seven year long yeah seven years our anniversary stream will be seven years long so on the fifteenth year we could start our eighth year so when we will be finishing our seventh year anniversary stream around about the fourteenth anniversary is that how that works around abouts damn well i mean you know it's out in the tenth as well though so yeah can you run them concurrently we have multiple e-fap streams at the same time just surrounded by computers constantly streaming e-fap it has to be done well e-fap three ninety two is on a commercial break from raid shadow legends um yeah this is number three like i said we got some got a new blood and old blood all at the same time welcome new guest big fan about woman uh... mister heal this baby face and uh... you'd preferably go by as right yeah yeah well and welcome to e-fap how do thank you thank you for having me thank you for breaking jeremy's heart the other day yeah watching his soul die use it i i did see that part of the stream once i'd left you you guys wrote it in the like jerry's just like hey how you do it like to moler of the ball was like hey as come on e-fap yet jerry's like hey as you want to come on to e-fap it's just it just died inside that's the thing he doesn't he doesn't do bat woman content he can't really associate with us like you gotta to appreciate that woman is too basically be an e-fap such a such a good she's back tomorrow oh yeah there's a new it's just back tomorrow me uh... we watched two episodes the other day uh... two more where we're uh... we're one behind will be two behind tomorrow but one take long catch up does does that women does that woman ever actually stop because it just seems to be on like all the time i certainly hope not never it's been like three episodes this year so they oh yeah they've had to slow it down because of the virus and stuff but uh... she'll be back to be back in themselves yeah she'll take care of us remember they're not the second season after seven uh... hero she's a bitch they did that with the the captain marvel trailer as well they like the hero thing so some marketing guy just must have sat there looking at the word hero for hours and he was like wait a minute wait a minute how come i never saw it like my fair lady by jove i've got it he's like we can get she if we have a word that works for that like what about shed she was born in a shed we'll have she first yeah the most the most mundane origin story for a hero ever superhero name is super ho there you go we can't call her that is like alright super rake oh no no no that's the villain i'm going to rape you and you know what super ho she'd beat the shit out of all the bad guys they wouldn't stand a chance also she has the best morals and she's really funny she's really funny okay landscape architecture do we need we'll need characters to show up and tell her literally that she's funny and really nice and a good person you know someone someone might be like oh god is this bullshit kind of jokes like no this happened in captain marvel there was a scene where her friend said you are very intelligent very funny very amazing that's your personality it was just like what the fuck i can imagine the advertisements when they pop on the television they'll have a few starter images and then we'll see the words form on the screen shed tool and then reveals she too love it i hope there's someone from marvel watching this this is probably getting commissioned right now because i can't fucking the fucking dogs right shed tool that's amazing i can't i didn't think oh yeah he's uh he's he's losing faith with the the fandom menace isn't he people don't like him as much what did he do specifically it was uh it was announced that he it was his idea what to what was done in the sequel trilogy with the layer and luke right or something like that or he approved yeah the layer thing it's like the layer should be the bestest of the best ever well and she should do all the things and then Ray should be like awesome besties maybe like everyone's the best in the men of poopy face but from what i've heard people are liking clone was still so that's something though apparently i've heard rumblings i don't know the context for this but it amuses me apparently dothmore lost a fight because he didn't cut a pole or something there was apparently a pole he was supposed to cut and he just didn't for no reason look a metal beam i don't know this is the thing i've seen screenshots he lost a fight because he didn't just cut something and i'm waiting for chat to like go nuts because they'll know all about this and i'm just sitting here with no context being like come come thing i don't know this isn't like a nightclub is pole dancing is dothmore's pole dancing i feel like with a robotic lower half your pole dancing career would be there's pros and cons you'll be faster maybe you'll be faster showing them your robotic bottom half hey man yeah the allure is not really there don't shame don't shame some people like that now if if he was do you think like all of him is tattooed like that ever ever to chat i say it was dumb i don't know what the specifics are but it was dumb whatever happened with wall it was it was dumb i'm just curious as well is there like another darthmore going around that's got like his legs but like a robotic top half with a prince with a prince albert who kissed always is dead all true um so yes no they're going to they're going to reinvigorate star wars with their new female leads tv show no female centric female centric can you please get it right not centric so it's going to be multiple carries we're all karen's everywhere we're all going to be very excited to see what they come out with online that's going to be next generation amazing content i can't wait i'm just i mean it it's just a surefire thing i don't see how it could possibly fail just watch them watch them go they're very good at it yeah i'm sure the show will be great and we'll watch every episode not ironically at all but just like batwoman will have another female hero heroine shed tool that we can watch every single week watch or dominate the theory about this is that because it was leaked basically they didn't make an official announcement about the show it was like bob eiger has to be the one who actually commissioned shows now he's like taking control of that and they had this thing kind of in development so they're like well if we leak it and all the press starts going nuts over this amazing female centric show he's going to have no choice but to commission it because if he cancels it now after everyone's gone nuts about it well then it's just going to look like he's keeping the women down so it's a pretty smart move on their part it's like basically forced his hand how long is it going to take i'm desperate for this new content i demand it right now especially with how mandalorian season two is not until the end of the year right we need this desperately even though that that's got a season three yeah but apparently there's no concept at all it's just female centric show they haven't got anything you say that like that's not incredible what's wrong with you well it's it's brave and it's stunning i would say oh yes oh god can you just imagine the pitch meeting for this it's like so what's your concept listen star wars yeah female centric whoa what else that's it love it love it you're hired it's like you know like lightsabers and stuff yeah but held by a girl lots of them whoa didn't we kind of do that with ray and it's like no she was just an experiment this is for real this year just testing the waters and that was definitely a success so we need this is the evolution of ray we made like a billion dollars of course it was a success you're like yeah yeah yeah i guess didn't the first one make two billion yeah okay it went down a little that's fine i don't need you in your thoughts oh i get it that's a double meaning the fucking numbers anyway i was saying that we got new blood and old blood welcome old blood being both critical drinker and smile around how do you gents do i'm so old old blood could be in a young person god yeah yeah i've been around in a while you guys been doing your different different things we got a nice big collection of tisms today because all the people here like joker isn't that right hmm that is correct you all hate women yes hate women i mean i did check all of all your channels you've got lots of videos saying all films are bad except the ones with male protagonists it's like ooh yeah a bit awkward but well you know that's why i brought you on to try and smooth that out a bit you can admit that you know you've made mistakes and that you're about to criticize this film now or celebrate it depending on which video we watch first which is probably we could do wins or sins first it's not really hugely important but what would be preferable do you think what would the audience want what do the cast want who knows i guess i could ask that's a possibility do a poll if only there was a way all right i guess we should do it the easiest way possible ask the should we should we ask the chat if they want wins or sins and they can post sins or wins in the in the thing for wins or sins or wins they're already doing it no they're already doing it there you go they don't care they're already doing it got sins and sins when wins and sins i was about to say if it's close we might actually have to i thought it was going to be pretty clear but i guess you got all kinds of a lot of sins yeah i think we got i think the sins have it yeah i think so do you think it's because they think that sins video will be worse i let people cheat and then they keep repeating it those bastards well it does seem to be that it's moving around a lot so i'm sure that's they wouldn't do that they wouldn't the efab chat would never do that they're they're good people they would never trick us i would be offended by such things um yeah okay we can do sins first you guys uh big fans of cinema sins i think right um like maybe five years ago i watched a couple videos and like a couple videos it's funny i was like okay j after like a half year knowing j maybe for a year i can't remember because you know nobody likes to remember how long they've known j uh he was like cinema sins have gotten worse like they they got worse they were good and i was like no they weren't and he was like yeah no they were and then we did a stream we watched cinema sins's first video i think it was avengers and he like gets loads of shit wrong and i was like see he was always terrible i don't know what i've achieved by doing it when you talk about movies on youtube that's uh that's it's fine um i mean i could just have words appear on screen visuals piano music if we learn anything really quickly and then people won't really think too much about what you're saying just ding ding ding ding ding don't forget the black and white as well we can learn a lot from thought theater he knew his shit even he knew his shit so well he was just it was like almost clockwork um and we can take pieces from that and we can evolve it into other things like cinema wins and sins do uh so yeah i've posted a link in the uh in the chat we all share if you can click it it'll take you to a browser we're uh we'll be watching the video because i see that we got four names in here which means one of you fuckers hasn't oh there you go i'm doing it now i'm new so unprofessional jesus what do i pay you for it everyone does streams i watch a video together oh is that so he actually is on a poll i just i read tweets about it dothmore poll i'm on porn hub he's on a poll and i don't think this is what people were talking about oh oh my goodness dothmore the first result is actually dothmore pole dance on youtube from hailey what i'm confused oh my it's actually like how strange i don't know how to what do we what how is this dothmore she's just got red hair oh look she comes out with a lightsaber careful she's swinging that thing around that's like a million degrees oh don't worry i got the cover up can't have people seeing this she's gonna get wobblies out yeah we got demonetized for sure people this dothmore pole dance gamma at night gamma at night yeah it's get it off or stick your lightsaber with us i guess that explains explains the clones she kicked it she tried to twist it it'll burn she just licked it she licked the lightsaber she's got she's got a choroban level durasteel tongue okay it's in the law she's put the weapon down now how's she gonna defend herself on that pole to defend yourself oh you know what well let's see if we can try and keep this going right we can remember to do this but every time we have guests we should ask them without poisoning any kind of well what they prefer out of christmas and halloween just to see what they say halloween no no don't poison don't poison anything well it's already poisoned it's not kind of poisoned if what you say because heal's poisoned it now is that what you think it's all ruined i prefer christmas because i got a little nephew he's six years old seven years old and he goes crazy at christmas when you give him presents and it's the bestest thing in the world ever that's what i told him i said that you've spoken to his nephew smile on a little on a little child every christmas i look through the window at heal's as his house and i see his little family getting their presents and their little faces are lighting up with glee and i go that's the spirit of christmas alright drinker what do you prefer christmas or halloween well i think you know the answer here like christmas it's socially acceptable to drink at 9am so that's gotta be my favorite wow molly this backfired on you how can it possibly backfire people can like everyone loves transformers rags people can be wrong people do like transformers and they're wrong alright then oh halloween it's just so because the last time we did the poll last time and i mean i saved it because i figured i might need the hard data to always have my little fingers totally christmas it's totally christmas i would i would bet that most people would prefer christmas again they can be wrong it's fine the superior holiday the superior festive activities are always a halloween i've got a question though am i the only pervert still watching the poll dancing no you're not okay that is five minutes of poll dancing and i'm in three minutes 42 seconds now she's now twisting on the poll while twisting the lightsaber as well can this be law i don't know i didn't know dathmore had a vagina so the thing is like this isn't christmasy at all really like there's a little bit of dark mall this is just the lazy of a photographer just run across the screen what this is so amateur look at her it's half the problem i am i don't think this is dathmore i'm gonna be honest with you i'm not gonna go that far well dathmore can wear a wig so anyway you guys wanna watch a video yeah let's let her finish you know you gotta give her her space i'm gonna have to leave the chat for a couple of minutes if i spent 20 quid on this dance i'd seriously wanna speak to the manager about a refund i just said well clearly they clearly they're hiring so i'd be like well i'll give it a go just spin around and paint my face up i'll be dark whoever you want me to be can you imagine that she was paid to do this oh my god you like star wars she's just like what are you someone in the audience goes you four suck at least you get paid i guess we're starting with the cinema sins on jocker we actually gave it a good ol rewatch recently film isn't terrible i will put it out there that's pretty neat and so it'll be interesting to see everything that's wrong with it because that's what cinema sins promises to do to tell you everything that's wrong with the film i'm sure that's not clickbaits you're hyperbolic i'm pretty sure he nails it all so how does it feel you guys ready to get educated sure his criticisms are fully valid and i'm looking forward to hearing what he's got to say oh my goodness does the video show up for you everybody this is everything oh so it is working for everybody but critical drinker hold on let me see well everything wrong with everything wrong with that's not even aligned is it that's not even it's strange this is the e-fap this is what they're gonna say now they just made fun of the spacing in the fire but the thing is we do do that that's fine we do that as well as other things yes and should with be capitalized i'm pretty sure he capitalized the whole thing as for whether or not it should be that way you know you don't capitalize like in the you're gonna tell him how to be capitalizing really this is a guy who's way more successful than you rags how would you possibly know better than him he's not successful at proper senate structure for titles it's a month to speak to his manager he's not saying no everything wrong with stupid distal was disney it's um no accidentally because because the UI isn't as as uh i guess intuitive as i prefer accidentally moved something away in a way that i didn't want to i can't have things being slightly out of sync it'll bug me okay get yourself onto stream yards man it's easier what did i say stream yards is gay until i decide to eventually use it okay it's a big gay or small gay though that's the question you know about the big gay we all do all right that should do it they change it every once in a while slightly on watchtogether.com where they slightly move the screen or some shit and i have to change it for us but now it's back to normal again okay that's good can't lose this incredible context do we need to discuss the positioning of the everything wrong with i feel like in 18 minutes or less is too high like the 18 is too close to the o he does that because that's just something people get enticed to click if they see it in x minutes or less thing when it's just fucking meaningless because he changes it every video it shows you how long the video is he might have a minute of outro you guys are being tizmy you can't do this you gotta leave him alone he's got a minute of saying please subscribe to my patreon you can just make every video everything wrong with film in two days or less you know a retro logo loses it's effect when a media plug shows up at the bottom of the screen i don't think i think it had a lot of effects and i really enjoyed seeing that yeah i think it's the kind of effort most films wouldn't put in some do it's pretty neat it's like hey look at this the old vision of our logo showing up because this film is set in an older time oh no it says warn a meteor on it that means that we're taking out of that immersion now okay and every year at the best holiday which is christmas as we've established all the families together my grandparents are in the room then i walk in everyone's like fuck god damn it rags you ruined grandma i don't want to know what that means christmas at your house is wild man yeah you're looking at my fucking nephew you're ruining your grandma i think there's something wrong with you no it's because i'm she's the old thing and then i arrive as the new thing and that ruins the old thing that's the first sin all we took from it was you ruined grandma and we want to interpret it as we will i feel like that's gonna be made a bebop rags ruined grandma and christmas christmas jesus birthday all right plenty of consistent ruin grandma fine it's a game for the family this is why you can't possibly give like a game plan for what a stream is gonna be about fucking your grandma no then you didn't have to go that direction it could have been anything we talked about eggnog and christmas carols and shit you went straight to the rags had to go and ruin grandma grandma ain't got no more eggs it might have been one left rags you don't know i was just saying i think that this video is gonna be as dry and barren as she is oh no but i think to look at it it's terrible it's rare for a movie to include critical reviews about itself anywhere much less at the very beginning critical reviews are terrible remember guys i think he's making a good little joke that's clever because the lady said is bad and then he's like films bad 88% of audiences they loved it but you know what it's this shit hey man what was it the person we covered he said it opens with joker hates black women that person didn't like it did they no they didn't does movie bob count as the other 12% of the audience because he's so massive yeah as long as the video is 89% or higher you know that movie bob likes it i just he's just so perpetually fucking frustrated that people like this movie because he's like stop it it's not about anything stop you don't like it oh it was the TYT channel that said joker hates black women oh yeah that was right this is the whole movie right here he tugs it himself enough he can see himself as funny the movie tugs it itself enough vague setting obvious references it can see itself it's unique when you're going like i don't know a film that it's close to people say taxi driver which is fucking wrong people say king of comedy which is closer but still wrong i think people who say this movies like taxi driver have not seen taxi driver i don't even know what he was trying to say this is what this film feels like like a gym style in written type of Batman adventure from the 80s that's how i feel my page just reset what time are we on the show not for you we got these convenient subtitles we can pause on his points you got this whole movie right here he tugs it himself this whole movie right here he tugs it himself enough he can see himself as funny the movie tugs it itself enough vague setting obvious references it can see itself as unique what's vague about the setting it's gotham city i don't yeah is this point that it's close enough to other things well gotham was just new york anyway so it's nothing vague it's very specific i don't really this is one of cinemasyn's problems with his writing like i'm not entirely sure of what he's trying to say here you know that means you can fill in with whatever you want i thought the point of cinemasyn's is meant to point at like logical flaws that's like some portion of what he does the rest of it is these attempts at like genuine attempts at being funny and i don't know jay had this problem you have to try and figure it out every time like this one wasn't a joke this one is him trying to say critically tugs it itself enough it can see it itself as unique i think he's trying to say it's a copy what about me what am i tugging you're not a film buff so you what would you know your grandma tugging at grandma at christmas all right well here we go this is the whole movie right here he tugs it himself enough he can see himself as funny the movie tugs it itself enough vague setting obvious references it can see itself as unique when you're going out of business why would you spend money on a sign clown okay so we got this from some other people as well a lot of people feel this is a valid criticism it's hilarious Jenny Nicholson's point was why would you care about your sign if you're going out of business she said like sign breaking you wouldn't give a shit because who cares you're going out of business that was her point well this is what i mean you get this point you're like okay let's chill out let's reset let's go all the way back to you've decided you're going out of business and you're gonna sell your shit you decide you want to get the attention of the people to sell your shit you know what gets attention fucking clown a big clown with a sign saying everything must go prices are really low we got to get rid of that stock any everything on sales if you're gonna criticize it on that basis you might as well just say why would you care about any of your stock remaining you're going out of business yeah you don't have any investment in that business right I mean it's only a business nobody spends money when going out of business you understand nobody nobody would do that the concept that spend money to make more money is it's a foreign idea to these people like these are adults who are saying this thinking that this is an actual flaw with the film adults well I mean it's always struck me as I don't even do we have a thing for the other than being wrong it's just like faulty nitpicking it's like you're desperate to find something wrong and you pick this like weird it's not like they're spending money on a TV ads they're literally paying somebody like probably well maybe like a minimum wage or whatever just yeah I'm sure they get good deals with the agency for the clowns not to mention by the way if they did do a TV ad and so it was like why pay for TV ad you go out of business I would still be like well because you go out of business now a lot of people know to come to the store and buy stuff my question would be what was the guy doing playing the piano on the screen that would be my question for company the clown also it's a isn't it a music store yeah it's a music store so the piano and the guy playing it probably there's already yeah I'm sure it didn't cost you could buy the piano if you cash in the house you know there's a good chance that piano guys just like actually always selling pianos works there I think a guy with a sign is going to be pretty cheap well this is very mean I don't like why why is everybody like oh my god it's the clown spinning aside what are you nuts this is gonna it's gonna cost you everything no one do you go out of business do you think he watches if you watch his tv whenever he sees an ad he thinks the same thing he's like oh there's these companies are trying to make money why are they spending money on advertisements you're wasting your money yeah it is it's speculating to accumulate Kenny's music shop is the place you've got a going out of business banner which is what all businesses in real life do no banners are cheap no most businesses just pack up and leave the second they go out of business they don't spend any money like I said they don't even open because that would cost money I can imagine that Cinema Sins man is driving down the road and he sees them small business with a sign up front that says going out of business everything on sale must liquidate all assets and he's like idiot spending money walks in the store your lights are on you're going out of business fire everybody immediately why are you cutting your prices you're going out of business this man needs to watch the Don Beverage videos stop spending money giving the movie a sin for me never being able to see the film that's a joke you see if you throw in the jokes that means that whenever you get something wrong that thing can also be a joke if you need it to which he's also said in his defense if you guys are unaware of this that he deliberately gets things wrong sometimes because he finds it funny this means you cannot criticize Cinema Sins I think there's a sign on the left that says bondage fee oh no I want to see bondage fee is she covering up in titty disappointing the film is a prude sweet search the kind of street youth that would do this or exactly the type of folks to be quickly brainwashed into a violent cult by a charismatic leader loser that goes on tv and fights back or is that the point also why is that a sin so he points out these are the kind of kids that could easily be radicalized by a dude on tv who's pushing a possible political position dig I guess it would be better for the film if no one was ever influenced by anything in the movie that's the problem he might be here right now being like no that's a good thing why did you sin it so for this guy basically anything that happens in the movie at any point can be a sin this is where you can categorize his sins you have jokes then you have just neutral observations just things are happening and then it's a sin and then actual inconsistencies it goes into those three like I don't know if we'll find more than that actually because like what you perceived contradictions as well he's very strange like I don't understand and this is another one of the because we talk about this with a lot of different video essayists not that he is counted but he's in the community if you will because they all hate him I don't think people are listening the biggest fans of his videos because you know this is we'll get through the whole thing and make some kind of conclusion on it but like what were you supposed to make of that yeah when you were watching this as one of his fans what were the thoughts going through your head we've got it pulled so we haven't seen his next point yet but I'm just reading it also who goes running after a large group of thieves of our cobbled side is he desperate do you think there might be anything in this film that implies he's desperate it wasn't his sign the film establishes the sign belong to the owner of the shop yeah it would be something the sign cost a lot of money well it gets taken out of his paycheck right some massive investment yeah and he didn't get paid because the sign got broken and he went back because he didn't have a sign so he didn't get any money out of it most folks would just go back to the boss and say they got robbed it's like he'd do that eventually so after he tried to get it back how are you concluding that that makes more sense than trying to get the side back first also it's the boss who makes fun of him by saying kids wouldn't make any sense yeah kids wouldn't steal a sign the fuck and then he's like why would I take the side he's like I don't know why the fuck you would take a side but the side's gone so we've covered this before because a lot of people have trouble with this but it's like if you're the manager that you've loaned out a clown to is complaining that one of their assets is either lost or broken the buck's got to stop somewhere and all anyone knows is Arthur had the sign where'd the sign go he's like oh kid stole it you're like oh kid stole it okay sure why would kids steal a sign ridiculous who goes running after our large group of thieves over a cardboard sign is he desperate baby is he stupid I guess so most folks would just go back to the boss they got robbed the movie does do that he does that afterwards but in the moment in this immediate moment when he could still see them and potentially catch them I like how the movie needed a reason for him to run after them it's just like but there was a reason it took a sign that's the reason they stole the sign that's the reason they took his stuff he went to stuff back yeah we have to get really fundamental it's like he has they took money to live we have to elaborate on the basics of private property and ownership we need him to get his ass beaten so he does I'm not convinced he had a good reason to run after them into an alley that's what you get for trying to sell stuff so far this is my life story was that him trying to say they're absurdly evil or something that was their motivation yeah so again they're just punk kids it happens with somebody yeah they literally bully and beat up a clown that would actually be funny bullies don't exist well what was it Jenny was like this city is just cartoonishly evil there's not this many mean people and it's just like what the fuck I lived in a quite English village when I was a kid I got my football taken off me by a gang of bullies that doesn't make sense they wouldn't do that that's mean did you run after them into an alley? I went back to my mum and said mum my football got stolen from her you got taken out of your pocket money you ran into an alley and they hit you with a football and it shattered into pieces this is Gotham city one of the worst cities on the planet if not the worst it's currently in a state of serious decay there's giant rats roaming the streets super rats there's so many horrible people in this place he runs through a crowded street where there's thousands of people going about their lives and not doing anything remotely bad it's Gotham city this is why Batman comes it's fucking well run why is this in when you make a weird joke why is this in when you make a weird joke I know it doesn't matter you know how you said at the beginning he was probably going to be reaching for stuff and this was going to be as barren as Rags's grandmother well yeah this is what we're getting so far it's just like making up problems that don't exist well like check out this quality of writing god damn movie your title is so big it makes me think you have a tiny penis films don't have penis his film is obviously compensating for its lack of fill in blank with its large title I'm sure he will be very consistent that all of the films with large titles are trying to hide something what's a movie he likes Captain Marvel so big it makes me think you have a tiny penis I don't want to harp on it for like what a shit joke the movie is overcompensating for its insecurity for a tiny penis now it has a tiny penis he has just a hate boner for this movie he's trying to ruin Joker like Rags ruined grandma at Christmas comic book movie giant title war he's trying laughing this movie we have no context so I guess the complaint is that it's too long isn't that the point that is meant to make you feel uncomfortable at first you're like oh he's laughing at something and then you're like wait what is this wait why is it this is juxtaposition because he starts off in the therapist's office and he's laughing and it's painful because of his condition and then at the end of the film he's in Arkham Asylum in the therapist's office and he's laughing uncontrollably and he's not in pain because he's laughing because he loves it he's thinking about the joke the things that he's done so it's a juxtaposition from start to end of how the character has developed from this pitiful creature at the beginning to this disgusting villain at the end who's reveling in this chaos and it ties in with how he finds it painful to stop the laughter in like the first half of the film whatever when he thinks his life is a tragedy but when he thinks it's a comedy he no longer needs to prevent the laughter just embrace it no more pain yeah it's good shit but no too long too long he's going to complain about the flashbacks in the ranks that's the one for the tick boxes oh yeah look Joaquin is amazing in this movie I'll take a sin off here and now for it he rules all throughout this movie the clocks read eleven eleven is this movie a continuation of us does Arthur have a doppelganger is he the doppelganger anyway reading some stuff on the internet says the number eleven can mean anxious shy stressed conflicted scattered which seems to fit symbolically anyway all the clocks being eleven eleven is a f***ing sin oh so you took the time to go investigate what the significance of that was it's a sin it took up my time that's a sin no one thinks it's my time what are we supposed to do with this we're watching a film which has very obvious hallucinations slash delusional episodes I'm on the walls man f*** man they are the worst part of the movie absolutely and he's like what could it be I was just like oh well I thought the point of it was like he still feels as though he's as controlled and claustrophobic as he was in the asylum which is where the other clock was that everything is at a standstill there's also ways you can probably interpret it but yeah I don't know I think this thing is neat the clocks read the same numbers but okay it's a sin everyone seven different medications surely they must be doing something what lady is that really how mental health medicine works by sheer math so she's not um a professional she's just a social worker right and she's just trying to break the ice get him to talk about anything also that seems like a reasonable thing to ask you are on seven different medications this must be doing something to you like at the very least diarrhea please like you just drank two gallons of bleach surely that must be doing something to you like that's not how the body works just by math I mean yeah the question is fair is this not we're giving you we're giving you seven medications well remember uh depending on which reviewer we're talking to that would kill you just seven medications don't have to be any specific could all be placebo's they should kill you did he inject the bleach or did he just chugged that shit man he's sitting on the couch watching the Murray show and he's just down in it that bathroom is a wreck crushed up all the pills melted them in water and then put them into a syringe that's the way to do it he's in its blue yes I don't know how he does it while everyone compares Joker to a bunch of Scorsese movies the one it really takes after is I don't feel at home in this world anymore in which every person Melanie linsky runs into as an asshole or dildos or she doesn't want it's weird guy in the subway yeah she like you can you can argue she could have been nicer to him but like she's clearly you're in Gotham okay and there's a weird looking dude playing with the kid it's like yeah maybe not maybe not yeah but no she's an asshole maybe since he lets everybody play with his kids on the subway in Gotham oh well there you go does he let people ruin his grandma at Christmas keep forgetting that part on the bus at Christmas yeah I hope if I had to walk up the set of stairs every time I went home I would literally die also yeah how's that a sin a photographic location of the character we're all just confused like what also if you had to walk up those stairs every day you wouldn't die you would get really fit yeah you get really good at it eventually do you think there are scenes in this film where Joker is running around and you're like man look at this guy yeah and he's really thin and light because probably he walks everywhere and goes up 1000 stairs a day can you like picture writing that though where he's like maybe his point was that it's it's too I can't even like the idea that it should you know have some drastic repercussions of having to walk up this thing and that the movie doesn't I don't know address that this is what I mean like I don't even but people do use this staircase it's a real staircase like I don't even do they think it was a modern art piece they're like you know what it was invented for the movie between these buildings I don't know what to do with this but like always you go up the stairs the only time we see him go down the stairs is when he's Joker always going to his mundane life and then the coming down is his liberation represents him struggling to get through each day because he's always tired and he's always like dejected when he walks up it but then you know he's seen here in this sin like right I'm adding 10 sins for all the assets that turned these stairs into a tourist destination so regular pedestrians are inconvenienced like well think about it they're all going to die now can't walk up these stairs and so would he add a sin to Rocky for like the Rocky steps this is where I was going with this right so if he's not actually making an actual point he's just trying to be funny again I wonder it's like I'm going to say if I had to climb these stairs it would kill me it's like oh that's the joke I think dads do better than that oh yeah I can see what you did there but oh man climbing stairs that'll kill me oh dad you're impossible yes these stairs are real and I'm adding 10 sins for all the assets that have turned these stairs into a tourist destination so that regular pedestrians are inconvenienced that is the film's fault of course the film should have known better than to portray stairs I'll teach you to be successful and shooting in real life locations instead of studio sets wait this isn't about to be a sin is it why does this part he's sinning the movie because he wouldn't touch something in the movie this thing in the movie's dirty that's a sin this thing in a city that's meant to be grimy and dirty and crime ridden looks dirty and he needed to tell us there's just mounds of garbage bags everywhere and he's complaining about it and he wanted to let us know that he wouldn't touch that rail and simultaneously that that's with sinning the movie why didn't he sin this whole fucking room why didn't he sin the floor this is insightful content apartment complex had a cage around the mail these mailboxes all have locks and keys stop them city you fucking idiot why is there a cage around the... so that it's more difficult to break into people's mail which is a felony by the way breaking into the mail as far as I'm aware so we expect there would be a dude who locks that up and opens it up between well before and after the night passes right that's the idea yeah like a lot of like yeah when he's got to deliver he can walk in there close the gate lock it and then put everything in you know so that no one can yeah or just leave in the generally bigger packages or whatever this is like saying like why do you lock your car idiot how many people try to break in really yeah why would you lock your car I mean you've got a maybe the key I'm gonna lose my fucking shit with this guy it's a cage the vast majority of apartment complexes have a mail room that is locked so you have to put a key code in that only residents know and then you need the mailbox to key to open the you know the mailbox this is a normal thing and it's probably just a good idea well he says this appears to be the slums therefore they wouldn't have it oh okay because I know that when I'm driving through the ghetto all of the liquor stores definitely don't have iron bars all over the doors well hey man the slums they know of every house has railings over them hey man they haven't discovered metal over there okay they're getting there so I guess so I guess cages around the mailbox is only they should only be in like high-class neighborhoods where there's less crime I guess so yeah you shouldn't have more security in more risk prone areas I don't get it that's the slums why the extra money spent on a male prison cage that isn't even closed all the time why would you why would you have it closed all the time I'm trying to think of a cage that is damn this security no one can get to the mail not even the mailman can put the mail in there this guy's got a real issue with spending money on anything spending money on cages and signs whatever next what the fuck like this is the this is the level that cinema says is that it's just like why is he wearing a coat it doesn't look that cold it's like damn nailed it nailed it I guess it's October right so I guess it's chili October 15th case you missed the whole thing about the garbage strike at the beginning and the fact that everyone in Gotham is an asshole and all the streets lined with garbage everywhere this movie pounds you with Gotham is a place information it's almost like all the stuff that I was that pounding us said yeah and at the beginning you gave this a sin for having Gotham be a vague setting and now you're complaining because there's too many detail I refuse to accept this is pounding all the things he's mentioned are in the background the tv is on screen for like two seconds before it pans over the radio these are not individual scenes for each just to reiterate the same fucking message yeah and isn't the point of this the Arthur like can't even escape from it in his own home like even here he's being kind of reminded of how crappy the world is yeah and like he's like oh we can see the garbage stuff and it's like that's in the background of other scenes like what you're talking about there is just decent world building at that point but it's a sin when it's world too big Jeff Stewart isn't a good name I worked for that family for years at least you can do this right back super not casual Batman references super it's Thomas Wayne it's his father it's not a Batman reference it seems really casual though they're just talking a couple two lines about the Wayne's okay and it's it's almost like it's setting up that this character is a thing he's going to feature in this story I'm very confused of what the criticism is it's just potential father which is actually still left ambiguous at the end of the film because although it seems to have been debunked when he's putting on his makeup to go to the show at the end of the film he has the picture of his mum when she's younger and on the back it says love your smile T.W. Thomas Wayne so it's actually ambiguous that Thomas Wayne have actually had a relationship with her after all the things you can take that is that he did actually cover it up or that she took that and converted it in her head to something way bigger it's nice and ambiguous it's nice in that part it's nice and vague yeah maybe maybe Thomas Wayne took advantage of her mental instability and tried to use that to you know he ruined her on Christmas um so yeah what was he trying to say it's like oh Batman reference here that's the thing with adaptation people people will automatically just be like oh you're fucking just Batman gonna be in this like no actually no he's not so super not casual Batman reference it's super not casual no Batman reference it would be odd if we didn't get any mention of who the who Gotham's you know high class elite were given the setting it just makes sense Batman are getting younger of each other you know haven't read that even about him oh well that's a sin I guess talking about Thomas Wayne very casually also if you want to believe anything this woman says you shouldn't have cast that horrible mother from 6 feet under casting he doesn't like the casting choice alright watch they made Robert De Niro the Jerry Lewis character in this King of Comedy people like say that oh it's just like his other movies like did you ever actually see those other movies or do you just telling us that you have seen those other movies well Robert De Niro's in it right so well there you go this movie's a lot like the departed in that way this movie's a lot like um what's a stardust wasn't Robert De Niro in that I think so it was like a pirate I didn't want to see stardust that was a weird movie isn't that the sequel to the Tommy yeah it's I specifically watched both of those movies after this movie came out because people said it was like those other two movies so we watched both of those movies we watched three no we watched four we watched taxi driver King of Comedy falling down and you were never really there mm-hmm we watched four movies after this one that this was that Joker was being compared to and it wasn't like it was most like King of Comedy but it wasn't anything like King of Comedy but it had a little bit to Nero in it by the way of those four King of Comedy was the best followed by falling down then taxi driver then you were never really there there we go everybody's heard about the super rats that are in Gotham now right look Robert De Niro is a legend and we're lucky to have but he is super awkward and I can't imagine someone like him or the character he's playing ever getting a late what isn't isn't that the point that he's meant to be but isn't he meant to be like one of those sort of stiff wooden 1980s yeah he's uh obviously an older dude and he's a classic comedy even remember when he's like I want a clean show I want family friendly jokes I want yes I thought he pulled it off really well I believed it completely get down with the sickness what? get up come on get down with the soup talk show but in all seriousness I mean these guys in Arthur's fantasy he interrupts Murray's monologue and Murray is flattered enough to bring him on stage well it's because of what he says he ends up saying first he's almost you could tell he's primed to heckle well reverse heckle I don't fucking know what it is but he's like who the fuck was that well who's shouting out but then because of what Arthur says right even though this is a fantasy by the way so why would you even question the events running perfectly to real life but he says about how he- this fantasy doesn't make sense he says that um he looks after his mum and that he's trying to bring a smile to everyone's face like yeah that's reason enough to be like oh come on down you wonderful little bro family entertainment that everyone would watch that thing we established later is actually how he runs the show you know that thing you know that scene from the movie that you watched your breath taking but I like to think Arthur interrupted him because watching Robert De Niro try to do funny monologues is painful alright what do you want to what can we do with that alright this is not real conversation goes on for some time oh gosh these these are just two details these complaints you know I don't know what to do with them I think De Niro's character is meant to be awkward because at the end when Arthur meets to killing the three people from Wayne Enterprises he kind of relishes the opportunity to actually engage somebody with some deeper conversation like the mindless process he has to do every night oh you mean when he's like poking him about killing them yeah he recognizes the ratings that he's going to get for something like this yeah yeah exactly exactly and he wants the producer wants to turn it off the producer wants to cut it off but De Niro keeps going with it yeah I would say I get the impression he's got a slight moral imperative to it as well he wants to like you know chastise him for having killed them for our show like it's definitely possible but this is setting up another this scene is setting up another false father it's all about father figures that he he you know looks to but can't attain yeah so he's got the Thomas Wayne father figure got the Murray Franklin father figure whereas another number of course are because when we discover that he's adopted and was abused and all that kind of stuff there is no father so he's always reaching for well I think it's all set up yeah I think this fantasy ties into everything that he's looking for you know it's the father figure it's having a bit of recognition and having many people see him and know who he is you know and not just be an anonymous guy on the street and yeah and accept him it's because the bit where he says to him you know I wish I had a son like you you're doing a great yeah your life you know that's that's just the kind of praise I guess that or the kind of respect that he's been looking for his whole life so it's all those things all wrapped up watching Robert De Niro try to do funny monologues is painful this is not real conversation it is a not real conversation the fantasy he's having the person like what do you mean I'd love to see his ideal version of this scene where it's just like oh so what do you do I look after my mom and I want to bring a smile to people's faces get this guy out of here security talk show meanwhile I dream about ninja cows trying to steal my kidneys well you're not mentally well I don't know is he trying to say he's bored you think it's a joke wait it's painful to watch is what you're saying I would never claim that because I would have to sin him I wouldn't want to do that but my goodness like I dream about ninja cows trying to steal my kidneys how is that not lol so random penguin of doom oh yeah that's classic internet meme adrenaline movie accidentally includes footage from day 45 of production of the machinist probably the height why is that a sin well that's just oh I watched films reference actor loses weight for a role that requires him to lose weight there's a sin right there he was a chunky boy and you are never really here there so yeah he will do it he's like Christian Bale in that way which is why that was probably referenced also can you tell from that shot rags how many bullets that gun holds from this one here no I can't it's probably 6 if it's probably a 38 so it's probably a little 6 pretty sure people have figured out what gun it was because it's just the curious of the it holds too many for that scene later yeah bad bullets can you get revolvers that have like seven cylinders well seven shots in the cylinder yeah you can get those it could be a seven like 22 revolvers can have a bunch more because you know the rounds are smaller so you could put more in there but it's also established that that's actually loaded because when he's dicking about he accidentally fires it off anywhere oh sure the uh no he does not that's true there's spare bullets so it's just spare joke of breath dig assuming he's not asthmatic after living in Gotham all this time ding ding yeah chat seems to think it's either a five six or seven the average someone said it's a smith and wesson 36 chambered in 38 special double check real quick 30 smith and wesson model 36 when we see the gun later i could double check but it looks pretty close i love as well like spot the brits on this chat who know fuck all the guns is that one of them they're knife throwing things does that make tea according to the internet movie firearms database um it is a where is it never mind i thought it would pop something up if i pressed the thingy it's a smith and wesson's chief special pre-model 36 version looks like a pew pew probably the height of subtlety in this movie is when author accepts a gun from a guy who regularly makes fun of him while everybody plays the fool plays in the background so is that not subtle that's probably what i would describe subtle yeah like if we're really getting brass tax here it's like so what would he call it then if someone was to look at their exchange and go he's a fool would that be overt or would that that would like because this is apparently the guy doesn't take the mickey out of Arthur he calls Arthur his boy the guy takes the piss out the midget that's true actually yeah he doesn't make fun of him so he doesn't make he doesn't know he never made he doesn't he just speaks behind Arthur's back that's what we find out about him he's saying things behind his back but he doesn't say it to his face because he's a coward he picks on the little guy because he's a coward so it's inaccurate cinema sins ding to you sir ding it's been nothing but ding so far for cinema sins just like well there's another one this film Arthur accepts a gun from a guy who regularly makes fun of him while everybody plays the fool plays in the background can he's music a guy said you disappeared see here's why Arthur should have called his boss to report his ass beating so he's literally doing that right now and it makes no difference like this scene right here so that he wouldn't be blamed for not promoting the company he was hired to promote well everyone knows that he actually did it he just didn't do it for as long as he was doing and he lost the sign and everyone in the office seems to know about it yeah they seem to the scene with the gun just happened because remember the shot of him messing with the shoe you can see his bruises from behind so obviously they would see it as well they'd be like oh shit you were actually fucked up well yeah Randall gives them the gun because hey I heard about those thugs that beat you up you should carry a gun to protect yourself and then it's like why that previous scene happened and I just love that he's like you should have told your boss this and it's like he literally does it does fuck all because jobs can be extremely rough out of no fault of your own you can get punished hardcore for shit that happens I got accused of being the one who stole the whole bunch of games from the software portion of the toy store I worked in because that's where I worked it was creating because I came on and this was the trap of the toy store software was basically where you go to die because it's like the worst department because it's all games movies consoles everything obviously you can imagine that comes with software and nobody knows how to use any of it or catalog any of it so you just get thrown in there and obviously they tricked me because they were like oh do you like video games do you like movies and stuff and I was like oh yeah sure and they were like yeah you can go in that department great and then you get ditched there to do make everything work and the highlight of it was that I was told to take a stock check after having cataloged everything with those little scanner block devices you can get and they were like why haven't you done it yet and I was like I've been told that I was supposed to be taught how to do it and they were like you don't know how to do it this was like three months into the job and I was like nobody has taught me how to do this yet and they were like well you should have been taught I was like yeah this is my fault this is why I really like this scene in the Joker because it's in retail jobs things go wrong and you just get fucking blamed for it when you had nothing to do with it whatsoever if anything you're the victim and you're like yeah okay that's my fault now but every once per month a game would just go missing and it would always be a new release it would always be really curious yeah well the important aspect wasn't that it was always from our stock it was never from the shop floor it was very consistent is the problem it was like someone seems to be doing this and they were like well it's obviously Mola because he's the guy who is organizing software so he's the one who would have access so he's probably the one who's done it and I got this huge talking down to it it was like if you steal you'll lose your job especially if you're caught and I was like I was like this is the I need this job why would I just you know when you know that you're not the one but it's really hard to convince anyone else you're just like yeah I wouldn't but I didn't do it I don't know what you want me to say I mean if you want to come with me come with me with camera footage or something of me stealing something man be my guest but I have a sneaking suspicion that that camera footage doesn't exist and so they randomly did spot checks for bags and that's another reason why I was like how would I fucking steal this successfully when I've got like no way to hide it it would be really awkward I guess I shove it into my yeah shove it into my passport whatever so one night the outdoors team were working late and they all had bags and one of them was just the manager was with him and he was like ah I'm just going to do a random spot check and one of them was like ah I don't need to do that and he was like yeah yeah round of spot check let's go and he was like do you really need to do that and apparently it was just like super fucking awkward he was like give me a bag and he was like yeah and he searched it and he found I can't remember what game it was but it was sealed and it still had our toy stores it wasn't released yet was the point and so he lost his job the following day and then it turns out like he told somebody there that it's like something he'd been doing for a while because it's really easy to get away with and the point being was that I was like oh I wasn't the one who stole it the whole time no way they were like yeah somebody with a completely different department because that would be way smarter than to steal from your own department regularly but you know I'd be tomorrow in there somewhere but I'd be drawn into these meetings and they'd be like stop stealing please they'd be like I'm not okay I'm still not stealing but you know you have this attitude where it's like oh some kids stole your side okay why the fuck would they do that you're like I don't know why the fuck they would do that why would I know yeah because it's twice yeah it didn't get an apology at all management was just like good you shouldn't steal thanks instead he told no one and now he's going to get reprimanded wouldn't matter if he told them whenever wouldn't fucking believe them what is that critical drinkers seven man man I'm really curious what would happen your fire bullet does it have to then impact the bullet in the cylinder in front and it just starts this chain reaction until the last one shoots out super speed yeah I take it what I should have said was chamber rather than cylinder this looks like the kind of gun that they'd bring out in a film like commando where you're just like this and pulls it out it just keeps coming and coming and coming yeah the joke you could have that gun absolutely yeah and you know he would he would fire like a machine gun all of the cylinders are spinning it would just make sense just go with it they tried 10 bit Batman film where he pulls out a massive gun like that yeah it's like an elongated revolver it's awesome yeah it also does have the old cylinders on it yeah if you gave it a gear handle you could then just it would just look like gun from Final Fantasy so that's true it's just got a gunblade look about it doesn't it yeah that's the first person to say gunblade Yoshi P is currently putting that into the game it's a freedom revolver that one movie inspires Harmony Corrine to make a sequel to Trash Humpers called 32 short film shot near a Ferris wheel sometimes it's just nothing to say it's like okay Ferris wheel in the background I guess fuck that he really hates this fucking staircase like yeah it's the staircase to hell instead of going down you go up to get to hell is that a sin you're happy because you're at the top of the staircase and you don't have to climb anymore so surely that's happy to be in hell oh I wish I didn't get into heaven the stairs were a bitch you know people don't say that really people say dad jokes and stuff it's like but dad jokes make sense these ones are very confusing it's like the staircase to hell go up nailed it to hell instead of going down you have to walk up to get to hell okay courtship hey remember when we briefly it's awkward that's the sin he's not very good at courting a female go figure but she did the same to him in the lift it wasn't as awkward though she's super good at courtship which is why she's single what I just like that the scenes point is that he awkwardly recreates the thing she did in front of him in an attempt to try and like work with it and you know start it later he doesn't he doesn't manage to pull it off very well it's a little bit creepy and this guy's commentary that was you didn't do well socially awkward man is awkward in a social situation who knew never got pussy ding I wouldn't be surprised if this that would be one coming up see by the way look at this one I'm assuming you guys have got the same pause as me but he's like hey remember when we briefly decided as americans to cover our home toilet seats in carpet is that a sin decided as americans to cover our home toilet seats in carpet so being faithful my grandparents had that my grandparents had those things their toilet seat yeah lid even not the seat that was probably a bit awkward the inside of the bowl was carpeted it's really messy it tones down the backsplash yeah we discovered it's called Poseidon's kiss yeah oh it's a beautiful day we all know that oh uh Poseidon's kiss funny to be a comedian half the fan mail I get opens with this exact phrase yeah have you seen your videos well yeah I can't help but be like that's probably the best thing you said this whole video I don't know I'm terrible ding people dislike my youtube videos ding jukocking jukocking jukocking this is a wait your outtake the film gets a ding okay our commentary on this is just going to devolve to the point where every sin will just be chatty form words sorry this is a great shot the whole movie is full of great shots great acting great set designs one of the most well made movies I ever hated great shots this whole movie is full of great shots great acting great set design it's one of the most well made movies I ever hated look I understand this is just a film this is the one you're just not supposed to like like if you're a professional you're not supposed to like this this is the one you're not supposed to like you can't like it the coverage of it feels that way doesn't it it's so forced I mean he's just said great shots great acting etc the best film I ever hated your hatred doesn't marry what you've just said about the film maybe we'll understand it by the time we hit the end after all we're only a fourth of the way through when you've got a channel like cinemasins for your job is to pick apart bad movies maybe there's certain movies that you just shouldn't touch you know I mean like maybe you should just look at it and go nah this is a good film I'm just going to be wasting my time here or maybe his channel should have actually been both the cinema sin and the cinema win so he could balance the films that he was actually critiquing and then you could determine which one had more sins than wins and therefore it would have some sort of stakes instead of saying this film's great fuck off have a sin I want to I want to highlight the Joker's jokes are better than cinemasins jokes but look at this one what did the crazy man say to the straight jacket loosen up a little that's better than literally anything pretty good yeah loosen up a little nailed it why are poor people always confused because they don't make any sense okay why'd the old man like having insomnia because he didn't have to sleep with his wife and and Arthur is going to misspell words but why does he use half instead of have here and use the correct form of the word having twice yes you can what you think if that's what a mistake is his writing skills are not really good what a strange thing to criticize you can totally have that be the confusion that someone has about writing spelling words like why would so I'm so look how he spells insomnia he spells it incorrectly he's clearly got problems with spelling or well so his point is you have having and then he's like so when you spell have you should be able to spell it because you know how to spell having and I'm just sitting there like no you could easily be confused because these words in your head don't necessarily connect that way especially for someone like Arthur it's phonetically that's what he didn't have to sleep with his wife he's spelling it how he hears it yeah he's non-educated look how he spells people there's some words where embarrassed is one of those words that I just for the life of me I will never be able to spell embarrassed correctly the first time because I don't know the right I just unwriting of a you know some people sometimes and sometimes they won't I was going to say what if he pointed out like you spelled it right here but not here it'd be like yeah yeah I messed up like with like with tomorrow it was always learned it was Tom like a name like Tom that's how you know it so that you don't put two m's and only one are so we can carry on with the manager of the cloud rental place thought all right since we're it I know I know northeast southwest by going never eat soggy waffles and never eat shredded wheat with ours yeah my second grade teacher misprue it never eat soggy waffles why are you waffles soggy just like you ruin the whole point is to avoid them anyway okay it's fine soggy waffles they could be soggy from like all the butter and syrup you put on them which can make them taste very good so of course I was a second grade I was fucking stupid so I never this never occurred to me to suggest to her that actually soggy waffles because it waffles essentially a pancake with syrup holders built in that the syrup and the butter will turn it soggy but then it's also delicious I just bought it because I just bought into the system you know I didn't question the authority in that second grade classroom I should have been more like Joker never eat sexy waffles there you go that makes it work 100% because you would want to frame a sexy waffle even though it would rot it'd be fine Arthur was the best choice to entertain sick kids at a hospital apparently the manager of the clown rental place thought Arthur was the best choice to entertain sick kids at a hospital why not I haven't seen the other clowns maybe he was the only one available the whole time the film is talking about how the city is in major depression and how the social services are well being shut down or skimping out of course they're going to hire him he's already proven that he's perhaps vulnerable to attack on the street he couldn't hold onto the sign and stuff and you got set on by these how could he fuck up dance with the kids okay we'll send him to a really safe place where he just has to literally dance in a quiet room it says he got numerous complaints for his performance he had complaints about being weird to the other clowns the other guys working at the agency thought he was weird it's not that he's weird in his job it was the guy's at the back he said and he seems to be doing a pretty good job here until the gun falls out he's doing a good job I know kids are really big on that high brow entertainment I'm sure they're very critical of their clown entertainment while they're dying of cancer I just love the desperation it's like he's got numerous complaints and yet you throw him in here it's like this job and he does a good job here if his pistol didn't fall out of his pants this could have been a potential upbeat for him I put smiles on other faces and then he gets hit by a car that's an alternate movie it was apparently gotten numerous complaints about his performance in the past so sure, it was probably the best option wait, please I love this job so wait, did the hospital call security or something and kick Arthur out? has he been wandering the streets until it got dark to call his boss? no, we don't know how long he was there at the hospital all we need to do is figure out a scenario in which this could have taken place so you have hospital people call his job and tell them what happened and then Arthur calls his job people being like, please don't kick me out because he finds out that that's happened you could easily have had it be that he couldn't have come up with that excuse at first the whole is a part of his act thing and so he was just panicked he could have just left the place, you never know I'm assuming more clown jobs that day yeah, I think it's easy to assume he was asked to leave the hospital maybe he was confused about what he should do and he was panicking but he didn't want to go back to speak to his boss face to face and it's taking them the time to get the courage up to phone him so you get kicked out, right? and you're smart enough to know that they're going to tell your boss so you run to the nearest pay phone done I don't know why this is a problem we don't know enough here well, we don't know anything there's not enough to form a contradiction there's only a, huh, I guess he went to the pay phone and called his boss is he questioning the time that's elapsed because it's kind of night time in this scene where he's getting dark, whereas it was clearly day time when he was at the hospital so is it like what's he been doing all this time or whatever yeah, we don't know how long he was in the hospital that could still just be a half hour or an hour you don't know at that point it would just be like, okay I guess he took a while to get to the phone booth alright maybe he was at the hospital for a little bit trying to appeal with the people about how it's totally okay the gun isn't real, 100% and then they would show us it then, maybe like, uh you know, there's all kinds of things that could happen but it just has to be impossible, I guess oh, pay your phone wait a second, do we need to explain to chat what that is that he's in? alright, so chat it's taking it back a while this is called a phone booth so back in the days before the internet before realistic sex dolls before all that stuff before steam before steam, before PC gaming before gamma girl bathwater there were pay phones so if you needed to call someone out in the out in the world, you had all these little booths they had a telephone inside and they had his phone thing on a hook and he had to press all the individual numbers to call people they had to put money in see, all the young people in chat who might not know what these are and the way it would work is you type in their name and it would call them wherever they are pretty cool it would cause problems though if they were a person with the same name so you'd have to type their name and then two or whichever one they are in the cycle of how many of those people are alive it's a we know what it is we know what a phone booth is I know, I'm making a joke about it's old technology that we don't see anymore and we're young folks back when my grandmother wasn't dry and barren and ruined on Christmas at Christmas I feel like this payphone scene is all to set up Arthur's subway shootout instead of being a natural place for him to be at this moment how is that not natural if you have a problem on a job you need to speak to your boss urgently and there's no mobile phones then you're going to go to a payphone and call him yep, that seems to follow that's a logical thing to do and then you might get a trade-off and call someone if you're trying to make money I want to highlight that he doesn't need a way to get to his job meaning that he could go to the actual job talk to the guy in person and then have the subway scene after that anyway but it's going dark so maybe the closing and he can't get there in time this is what I'm trying to say is that we could have Cinema Sins this scene if he wants it still and everything runs the same so why is this unnatural yeah maybe he doesn't want to talk to his boss after that yeah, that's another one it's plenty to work with if only we had evidence of him being socially awkward yep making a parallel to Bernard Getz in this movie opens up a great discussion about Gotham's thirst for heroes in the throes of a growing sickness but there was a racial element to the Getz shootings and it was debatable he could even claim self-defense but this movie strips away a lot of that context and makes Arthur a straight up victim justified even though he does track down uhhhh the shootings that took place on a subway he's saying that they're like representing that event but they're not doing it in the same way, which is a bad and I like that he says that his actions seem justified when he hunts down and kills the last dude it's totally justified it's not at all like a fucking crazy killer this is the he's wrong because this is the turn in the film where the victim no longer becomes victim they become the hunter so this is the pivotal moment that turns him so he starts his scene as the victim and by the end of the victim he's the aggressor and from here on in for the rest of the film he's always the aggressor it doesn't matter because it's close to a real life event and it wasn't depicted in the same way yeah I guess this is supposed to be close to the 1984 New York subway shooting by Bernard Getz but it wasn't but this non real apparently this is supposed to mirror that but they didn't do it the right way yeah that's his whole problem they removed the racial component look what it says Rex it's almost like we're saying the villains in the world all have a good reason for being this way apparently that's what this scene says what they changed race to class that's what they did they changed race to class the villains in the world all have a good reason for being the way they are that's what this scene says I mean there's a reason for being the way they are there's always going to be a reason this is very confusing what does he mean by good reason like if it's a morally good reason to commit an act would you still be a villain the scene is saying that his response to the action is utterly deplorable what most people agree on is the first kill is absolutely fair enough to consider self-defense because he's potentially being beaten to death the second one is dodgy as fuck because it's like oh and then the third one yeah the third one's like nah yeah we've gone from victim to perpetrator it's that's the whole point I just like the idea that Jeremy watches this scene and he's like what a hero wait wait wait wait who's trying to crawl away from you you deserve it so he's a hero when he runs into the bathroom and shuts the door and starts to relish the fact that he's killed these people and he feels nothing he actually feels liberated by killing them that's not heroic I was going to say he refers to himself if you remember a little later as a hero through his imagination of the girl because she describes the event as heroic or that he took out like the scum and there's only what does she say something like this like a million left fuck them they deserved it because that's his attitude in his head everyone that wrongs him it's odd that a sin here is that these should have been black people it's odd that his I just don't understand the sin from a position of like why did they portray it as like a good thing for him to do it's like what do you mean where he getting that from I mean the third one certainly not he is a villain hunting down that third guy the third guy is like screaming in pain and like fear yeah he's totally running away yeah like the first two okay that's one thing the last guy nah that's murder you murdered the guy you hunted him down and killed him you're a bad person oh he could even claim self-defense but this would be stripped away a lot of that context and makes Arthur that context justified and it's not even this but like I don't understand why it has to be the same thing why is it all subway shooting have to be that thing that really happened but there's three stages here that the first guy self-defense the second guy ambiguous the third guy outright gun down murder so there is a there is a progression between the three people because of the transition of the character so Jeremy needs to shut the fuck up even though he does track down one of these dudes to kill him in cold blood that's he's a sympathetic character because we see him suffer it's almost like we're saying the villains I'm sorry what like why is this new I'm very curious about his position on like does he feel this way about like everyone that's a villain he's been a pitiful character until this point yeah this is the point we lose sympathy for him because he goes and turns from the victim into the villain that last bit throws me that it's almost like we're saying the villains in the world all have a good reason for being this way this one scene is now saying all villains have good reasons for being villains you're like um if this scene this subway scene was isolated as a short film then and he asked me what's the message of this short film I'd be like uh that people might feel people who are rightfully upset and angry and then defend themselves can take like the vengeance can lead them too far or they could become so self-righteous that they turn into villains themselves or that not every you know problemate against you justifies all the actions you take as a result something like that either way it would end with this character being a murderer is he saying it would have been preferable that joker was sitting there and he pulls out his gun he sees three dudes and just shoots them in cold blood because he thought it would be funny and he's like yeah good you're not saying the villain has a good reason for being this way is that the better vision of this scene because it's morally reprehensible to suggest that someone who is villainous had a reason to become what they were I don't know I feel like if this was not happening that he'd be sinning it as well you know it doesn't matter what they did the world all have a good reason for being this way and remember this guy becomes the f***ing joker I don't even know what we're supposed to think about that bad, bad man what are we supposed to think about that a damaged man gets pushed down a bad path by a traumatic incident that puts his life at risk and it makes him become increasingly you know reprehensible and violent like what are you supposed to think about that apart from that's the story that's a perfectly like logical chain of events for a character that's an arc yeah yeah and the whole basis of the jokers character is he's the epitome of one bad day that's that follows the joke or whatever it's a big prominent element of the killing joke he just he's a person who believes that you can be turned because of the events of one bad day come on is he suggesting that this guy is going to become the joker we know this from the film's title therefore the fact that we can feel anything for him that's f***ed up what are we supposed to think he's supposed to be the bad guy and at this point I'm like you have seen movies before right like film like I mean like does he think that in the king of comedy Rupert Pipkin is a hero I think he thinks all protagonists have to be good people and the second that you follow through on that you can't make them bad guys like the joker so this movie's f***ing up Paxi Driver the protagonist of tech what's his name Travis Pickle Travis Pickle yeah he's a guy I think he's incredibly unsympathetic and his motivations are incredibly confusing and mysterious but he is the protagonist how does that relate to this is one good but the other not good I think joker is way more fleshed out as a protagonist than he is so which one's good which one's bad I don't get it someone said Pipkin is like no it's Pipkin Pipkin right Pipkin they call him Pumpkin is the thing that's like this guy becomes the f***ing joker I don't even know what we're supposed to think why can't he at least phrase it so I know what I'm working with like I don't even really know what his criticism is there he becomes the joker what am I supposed to think about that I told you his problem with the scene is that these dudes aren't black because it doesn't mirror the real life thing close enough they stripped away the racial component when they didn't it wasn't there to strip away with they have a shooting where four dudes who happen to be white sorry three dudes who happen to be white beat up by a victim essentially is everybody like whenever you have a shooting is it gonna be like oh this is this is you know the Bernard gets shooting all over again or this is the um what was the big one the Trayvon Martin all over again it's just changed it things can't be their own thing they have to parallel something I was gonna say most people who saw this movie would not have known that it was referencing anything if at all yeah anyone who's not from America probably wouldn't get that and as was saying the point here is it's not a race issue ultimately it's a class issue in that this gets so much coverage because the guys who all get killed are rich successful businessmen and so that's something that he's touching on they ask Thomas Wayne in the first interview we see him in if he's like oh sorry to be asking these questions at such a difficult time it's like he didn't even know the people it's just that you know the ritual of part of this you know collective class and it's very bad when any one of them is murdered anyway it's just like while poor people as Arthur puts over it's like if I was on the floor you'd fucking step right over me you wouldn't care all those dynamics going on it's very about class it's because some people try and make it about race like a lot of people we covered have who's the wasn't it Nando versus movies who said it was it was racist of them to make the only minority significant character a hallucination remember that he said it's fucked up to do that there's one significant character in the whole kid film when it's half the black he's in every single Nah, Rob De Niro as well and he's not a black so Arthur's mom is a villain pretty much but she's white so I I don't even know what to do with stuff like that like this one character was black and like yeah Franklin's not in it too much he's a point of fixation for Arthur yeah well he's just objectifying a woman of color that's racist he's having a desire his constant is his battle with family with trying to have a normal life that's why he goes and pushes to the father figures the Thomas Waynes and the Franklin with his mother who he still holds on to regardless of the abusive way that she's behaved him all his life the woman who lives next door she's the girl fucking next door it's not fucking difficult to work out it's all this the kind of systems of family that he can't have but they're making you feel for him when he's a bad guy you imagine the horror definitely fires one shot into the first guy two into the second and one into the leg of the third that's four then when he catches him he shoots a fifth time then walks up to the guy and shoots three more times so if we're to assume he has six shots at maximum in it I always want to clarify for people right so one in the leg one in the back another one in the back that guy's dead whether or not he had additional bullets that guy's dead yeah this dude's this dude is dead if anything the extra bullets were just redundant pointless but yeah that is I think that is a fuck up yeah I agree that Arthur was carrying around the spare rounds and then reloaded the gun in between the times we see him unless it's the gun the drinker was specifying the 7th chamber the 7th cylinder gun you just whip that out of the purse I would love to see that action he did it Jeremy congratulations you did it good job buddy he's got it says 48 on the screen but I think it's one good job yes adrenaline why is that a sin why would you sin that killing yeah his blood is probably fucking pumping right now oh I've tried he's probably never felt more alive coursing through him coursing through him right now literally taking the lives of three people probably wouldn't give you any kind of you know experience I'm sure that would just be like you'd be like yeah I'll trundle off home I guess just another day and got them do you make your not really a comic book movie and stand out like it's high art and not some lowly movie we can't call cinema like Avengers Endgame have your main character take a time out and do introspective slow dances to a hunting cello theme Tony Stark could have done this while trapped on a Benatar Endgame might have gotten a lemon nominations too you sound bitter you sound like an upset angry why is Endgame not getting a domination it's just really poorly written it has a lot of issues it fucks with shit is it really this haven't forbid there's an artistical take here the music is one of the driving and is there really no other aspect to the movie that would elevate it apart from just moments like this a bit of classical music that's it that's the thing that nailed it Arthur is not comfortable we've established he's massively social he's not comfortable around people he's not comfortable in any situation this is the first time when he's murdered somebody that he actually relaxes and feels normal in his body and he's relishing in it this is the transformation this is the chrysalis they got a footage of me stealing that game and of course this rags meme and then once without context there's nothing I guess this that's our segue I don't poop with the door open I close the door when I poo that's the important law you got there in an empty house Stephen in an empty house I live alone I don't I still get to stay this is my space it's me here I still close the door when I poo I do it even when there's people in the house I have it open and do you know how it feels exhilarating you get adrenaline after you're done and you run out adrenaline fueled poop I can't shoot people on a subway so I just shoot it with the door open and then I go for a run my guests they just walk past and they stare at me and I just stare right back at them but yeah this is the point in the film where he truly feels free and he's nice and he's to be himself he's got that imagining that audience as well because obviously he does this at the end when he actually does get an audience it's all very quite the wonderful come down after that very intensive scene where he you know committed those people as you do he craves acceptance here he's putting himself at the end of the film he's being accepted by others or at least that's how he feels because they're all wearing the Joker masks and they're all giving him attention everything that he wanted it's all about acceptance these parts Jeremy this scene is actually happening in this scene this movie really wait sorry the fact that it's a loose nation is a sin what? it's just just just one second this scene is actually happening in this scene okay that is what a hallucination is that is a sin yep are all hallucinations sin? that's a pretty good hallucination if you ask me oh yeah man she's already got a baby you know she's down the fuck it's true it's only logical we really love it some stares in our last fortune movie like stares sorry Jeremy he just killed three fucking people you dumb motherfucker he's liberated himself he's now walking downstairs not upstairs oh my god the movie like stares sin how dare you man has millions of viewers why would you say this Pikachu is asking if mental illness is a sin yes it's a sin ding ding this part is mentally ill ding residents are taking the side of the killer how do people know enough about this story to have an opinion that the poor person was shooting at the rich people for a reason holy shit how do people know enough about the story to have an opinion on it oh buddy wow can you imagine somebody giving opinions on material they're clearly not familiar with can you imagine that being welcome to planet earth wow people aren't waiting until all of the facts are solid before forming opinions on it based on their life experiences and biases wow that doesn't happen ever no sir it's quite funny that he finds that unrealistic of humans it's like we like to share opinions on stuff remember there's a witness the woman yep they're the weird people around still well the people he ran past people on his way out of the train station they of course would have found out where they were murdered those people and then it would have been asked or they could have reported that he has a dude with like clown makeup or a mask or whatever they say that in the film as well there was a that when he goes back to you know being fired or whatever they said oh it was somebody in makeup and one of them corrects him he says no it was a guy in a mask and so I don't know if you guys are aware of this it clearly has seen somebody yeah but whenever something significant like this takes place lots of people are willing to apply motivation immediately like who was involved this person this person you're like oh was it because of blah blah blah blah blah blah and then someone else is like what you're no proof of that it's like no I know well I mean I don't know and there's some big you know outlet can cover it in that with that sort of framing and then it can become a huge thing immediately when and then you as the plucky honest journalist looks into it and it's like this has nothing to do with what everyone's saying it's got to do with it's like yes kind of what happens this happens a lot is what I'm trying to say yeah with humans construct narratives around anything they see because it helps them make sense of it and you know like you say they attribute meaning to things that they don't even necessarily understand we're good old patent seekers as humans we'll find them where they don't even exist that would rally them behind the killer the only thing people watching the news know is that three guys got shot in the subway by a guy in clown makeup even if they heard the other parts of the story how would this get framed as rich versus poor how many clowns working exactly so three extremely rich dudes we're all murdered by a guy in cloud makeup and you're like how could you possibly see this as the rich versus the poor how could you understand when the witnesses have been like this guy is a mental condition he was acting crazy he certainly wasn't dressed well he was looking like a clown wall street clowns you know the rich clowns you get a lot of the hello David hello Jacob hello bobo bobo he's just in the fucking office we need to look at the the projections for the third quarter bobo has the current results he's like hello he's like with his fucking notes he can't get in the door so he's doing the paint I got stuck in the door moving with the clown I love this idea of the clown that works at wall street I'll be right there with my charts I just got to get to the door they have like a line up of all these well dressed businesses walking in a line to their office and there's one of them is just a clown with huge clown feet just like squeaking every time he hits the ground alright Arthur you're fired turn in your clown shoes and your green hair no no not like clown shoes what kind of coward would do something that cold-blooded someone who hides behind a mask Thomas Wayne here scoffing about mask wearers and the movie is winking so hard at Batman that it sounds like I'm sorry yeah I don't this is what I mean about him he like he picks it up and then he's like that's too overt if I got it it's so obvious I thought it was neat that he's condemning shadowing he's condemning mask wearers as cowards when his son is very likely going to grow up to save this city while wearing a mask yeah shadowing it's just cool it's cool to think about because it's all about POV right in terms of and it makes total sense that he would say this this is a it's a reasonable thing to say this cowards hiding behind a mask he killed these people I just need a little bit of telephone going on there with how it's not a mask at all his makeup but with enough the witnesses can only have so much and now it's it's spread enough that it is a mask and other people are going to take up to wearing these masks to represent it easily happen which cracks the movement yep what if I watch this movie the first time and I didn't even think about the connection between Batman and Thomas Wayne with the mask thing what then is it still still too obvious I don't know was the thing I think that it would only be not obvious if nobody had any names in this then it would be like oh is that maybe a reference to something that's nice and subtle there's a movie theory what if this guy was Thomas Wayne I like the theory that Red Levy just talked about the old lady from the archives and the attack of the clones is Snoke because she wears kind of similar clothing colors and she kind of looks like it's just the best theory ever I know this place is called Pogos because that was John Wayne Gacy's clown name or whatever but Gotham Comedy Club must be steaming for not getting into this movie even though they were only established in 1996 okay so ding Pogos somehow so he's saying that if it is a reference to the John Wayne Gacy thing then it can't make sense well I was about to say so that's just fun for us in a meta way the movie doesn't actually have to have the Pogos that John Wayne Gacy doesn't have to exist even in this universe that's meta you can't criticize it for that I don't know what else to say it would be like if you had this shady place where all kinds of evil conspiracyisms happen in this building and the building's front is like a bar and it's called Nixon's it's like but Nixon wasn't even president yet in this timeline you'd be like it doesn't have to be it's just for us just for us to go oh look it's alright buddy pat on the head he'll be fine why would they name this thing after a murderer serial killing clown it seems really weird sounds like a clown like a funny name what if the guy's last name is Pogo who made it what if people didn't know that Gracie's clown name was Pogo imagine like when that actually happens in this timeline they shut this place down they're like oh fuck we can't be named after a fucking serial killer clown this fucked up maybe they're referring to pogo.com the website how long would they let him do this before pulling him off stage if he's got a set amount of time and he's not hurting anyone I imagine that they'd be like man this act sucks but we can't pull him off yeah the answer to this question is I don't know if you are if you are withholding valuable information from the rest of us I would like to be privy to aforementioned information please tell us the thing that you clearly know the rest of us don't the audience are booing they don't necessarily pull someone off there's all kinds of reasons why you could stay up there and if you've got an allotted 5 minute 10 minute slot and you open with laughing you could easily have people be like I wonder where he's going with this I wonder what's the this is a setup what's the fucking pay off I don't know I mean hey maybe an audience booing and all making fun of a terrible comedian that's entertaining I think the guy then did it as a hero so does he maybe even the movie does the movie doesn't why did you conclude the movie does obviously he does telling this to himself in his fantasy yes oh my god which means the movie thinks he's a hero well earlier on he gave this movie a sin for saying that this was a hallucination and now he's asking maybe he thinks he's the hero when his hallucination is telling him that he's the hero well he said so does he meaning he does think he's the hero maybe the movie does I think that's ridiculous it's not portrayed in a positive light these killings they're not something the movie's like he might be but he's a character it's a perfect example of fantasy versus reality in the fantasy he thinks he's the hero in reality he's the villain do you know how brutal it is when he kills Robert De Niro there's like screaming everyone's terrified and then he like awkwardly stands up and he doesn't know what to do with himself it's not like the movie played trumpets and everyone cheered it's like it's not what happened the way they frayed it finally we're free we've been released we found it when he shot the dudes on the subway with the flashing lights and the screaming and the blood that was totally the movie being like look how awesome this is look how good this is they gave and by the way they gave the movie specifically gave plenty of time to show the third guy trying to get away he goes to different subway cars he waits until the doors close to try and lose him he's afraid for his life and Joker is hunting him down that is the movie exactly he's precisely hunted down you just turned to the director he's like thumbs up this is a really good hero movie you know almost 30% of this entire movie is hallucinated and that's only if it's not 99% why would this woman how is it how does he conclude that all the scenes with her are 30% of the movie it takes up like 5 minutes at most I mean I suppose if you add in the sort of bit where he's celebrating with everyone after he's been pulled from the car wreckage that adds another 10 minutes to the it's 30% it's almost the third I thought he was just referring to the parts with her specifically when he said that I think he said I think he said it was just a hallucination so it could be alright then I feel like he's definitely not 30% either way you know if we're you know he's classing this again as a sin like what like a movie that's got an ambiguous ending that encourages you to think about it and rewatch it and puzzle out whether you know all of it's hallucination or just tiny parts of it or whatever like isn't that a good thing like a movie that encourages you to rewatch and rethink what you've seen how's that a sin I don't know the time to believe something is a hallucination here is when you have a good reason to believe that it is please point me to the part of this that you would think that that would justify the idea that 99% of it it's all a hallucination like why why would you think that because the clocks are the same oh alright why would this woman Yammer on and on year after year about Thomas Wayne to his son but never tell him that he was Thomas Wayne's son didn't she say that she didn't want to tell him or anyone else because of what people would say and then the scene ends with him saying what would they say Amar isn't that covered year after year about Thomas Wayne to her son but never tell him that he was Thomas Wayne's son she's like an endless fountain of Wayne information except one part that I can't think of a good reason for her to hide from Arthur yeah again she doesn't want him to know because of the whole what it'll do to everything else she thinks she's keeping it a secret for everybody's badness even though we don't even know if that's necessarily true yet there's good things about Thomas Wayne in this movie she only thinks that he's a good person he's going to help the city he's going to be good he's a good man we're like family to him she even stops him from laughing at something that Thomas Wayne says on the television she says that's not funny don't laugh at that thing that he said because it wasn't meant to be a joke but Arthur laughed at it anyway and she also explicitly says that she didn't want anybody to know and ruin his reputation and she doesn't want that so less people that know the better because what happens when Arthur finds out he goes right over to Wayne Manor and she's nuts yeah she's nuts as well also she's nuts as well yeah she clearly does not have him in the she only uses him there are multiple scenes in the film that kind of establish that his mother is not a good mom his terrible handwriting implies that he didn't get a good education she talks down to him she doesn't support him she's distant she allowed her partner to physically abuse him tie him to a radiator beat him around the head which probably caused a lot of mental problems while she herself was also being beaten by said boyfriend there's a lot of shit that we find out when he would go to the psychiatric hospital his life's fucked that's why he has the turning from tragedy to comedy because of all these revelations which attack him hit him at one time there's a lot of scenes that support why she doesn't tell him it's a shame that you picked up on these what was subtle to me was apparently obvious to you but the literal dialogue and the stuff in this film the scenes that they used you missed? I don't know maybe he took a bathroom break and didn't see them you should be familiar with the source material if you make a video like this I feel this 40s is finding out only because he read a letter not intended for him I was about to say something about everyone reading it well yeah because those letters aren't meant for him they're meant for Thomas Wayne he's not supposed to be reading them she doesn't want him to read them and also she was in the scene where he comes home late and she's sleeping in front of the television he gets her up and they dance for just a moment that all she seems to care about is make sure he deliver those letters and she goes off to bed kind of leaves them yeah and it seems that she's persistently writing to Thomas Wayne persistently he's mentioned multiple times he asks had anything in the mail for us you know did they write back yeah it seems to be a bit of a ritual that he checks she's not even his child anyway not his biological mother because he's adopted there's adoption papers in the file from hospital well she says that he forged those so I guess we're not definitive on that but I would if I was to take one side or the other there were stamps and presses on those there were stamps and presses these type of people aren't going to be able to forge those Thomas Wayne maybe, Thomas Wayne probably could oh right so you're saying if there was a relationship between her and Thomas Wayne yeah it's not unreasonable it's all ambiguous yeah that's the whole toss up whether or not I think they threw that in there on purpose that she says he forged it because it's to make us go uh huh it's possible seems unlikely to me but possible a newspaper on this train but it appears that the only people reading newspapers are on the aisle seat for a maximum camera the thing is like this Thomas Wayne isn't a villainous person in this film he's not a bad person he says that one kind of crappy thing he's kind of got a bad attitude in that one interview where he uses a bad choice of words but his actions he's not a I wouldn't categorize him as a bad person I'd say no I wouldn't either he's an elitist though yeah a little bit which is kind of understandable given his position but you know he's he's kind of concerned for trying to maintain law and order in Gotham I think he probably wants to make some kind of positive impact with his life and his concern I guess is protecting his son from Arthur when he shows up it's the classic sort of like he sees from his perspective they'll see from their perspective they're each other's villains they're the reason everything because he thinks that Gotham needs to be cleaned up these people need to be helped out because they're making even worse for themselves especially shooting the people in the subway while all of the poorer classes are like the rich fuck us over the rich do this the rich do that the whole class war their side is right it doesn't take a side both sides are portrayed as out of touch if anything the poor ones who are doing the big riots and it's very it doesn't outright say and I think that's one thing a lot of people are pissed off about with this movie is that it didn't condemn rich people rich people but no they are the bad ones I agree that it is quite critical of the people in this particularly the ones who attribute some kind of political motivation to what was just a random shooting of like a guy protecting himself you know that they wrap this up in all their own grievances and they form a movement around something which ultimately was never happened today exactly like this is the criticism I guess like it's so critical of modern culture that people wrap entire political movements around something that has no real meaning to begin with and if you remember when he kills Murray they just zoom out of the camera and you've got like 20 different forms of coverage already on it like the idea of that being something of a problem these days as well and a motivation for a lot of people to commit these sorts of crimes and just the way it's just news it's not somebody that got killed it's just some more news well I think there was only two and they were both from the Gotham the Gotham Journal so it's either like people were either reading the front page or they'd fold it over and were reading the middle I think it was all the same paper um yeah I was gonna replay that one yeah so vigilante clowns still at large from the city mayor news and kill the rich a new movement from the Gotham Journal also you'll find um certainly with the buses and where I'm at like trains as well to a degree but they'll actually give you newspapers as you get on like as a sort of you can get them on trains and then please don't kill anyone I must now and like this is the days before you had cell phones look at look at his environment as well this is another track of Arthur dirty subway before he's riding he's riding with the rich now yeah and they're all very well dressed changed his position he's no longer at the bottom he sees himself as the elite now and he's there with the Gotham elite this is all about the transformation of Arthur and it's done in a visual manner well so there's a guy reading next to the mirror the window right there you see him on the right cause he's he's saying that everybody's reading on the aisle so that the camera can catch all of the newspapers there's a guy reading next to the window but they you think that this is something that people do on the commute is they catch up with the news well he's just he's saying that it's like poorly I guess blocked that you have all the newspaper readers are on the aisle because it's like oh okay and he's saying it's only for the camera and it's like well I mean you've just got a random selection of people yeah this seems like something people would do while they're waiting for the subway to take them wherever they're going instead of just staring out the window at the scenery they've seen a million times before at this point that's a fair counter if you're on the window seat you have a choice of reading the newspaper or looking at the window right while if you're on the aisle seat you might be like I've got space to read the newspaper you do have more space to read the newspaper look at them all the best film he hates well this is what I mean I can't believe I'm defending this I'm like why why are we talking about this okay there's a newspaper on this train but it appears that the only people reading newspapers are on the aisle seat for maximum camera exposure oh there's Bruce Wayne doing his usual preparing for the prom at the end of Twilight as he talks there looks like there's a telescope out there I don't know what he's doing well I'm guessing that's just a Twilight reference it's a tree house he jumps down nice posh tree house I think he's just referencing Twilight like it's a gazebo thing that's in Twilight too Twilight that's it ding I'll never know because I'll never watch those fucking movies this again is why his videos are so fucking jarring because you go from like a criticism and then you do a joke and we're like wait was that oh okay I thought that was criticism again it's really hard to tell some of these we're supposed to we're actually supposed to just nod our heads and go anyway next one Batman looms large over this entire film look the the thing I've told people before that I really liked at the end of Joker was feeling that this is a city that needs a Batman now needs to be saved and it's perfect for like that setup which is why it's such a fun little um direction to take because pretty much all of the stuff we've had so far is Batman comes to a corrupted city as opposed to we see the city get corrupted at least to the Joker levels someone's saying someone's saying that he's referencing the gazebo because Robert Pattinson is gonna Pattinson is going to be the next Batman when was this when was this put out I feel like it probably would have been in time for that that was known for a while the Robert Pattinson thing but yeah all right again that's what I mean I figured it was a reference it's not a criticism it's just a reference it's like all right but the idea that sorry that just the two diametrically opposed villain and heroes that have in a moment what does he mean when he says Batman looms over this film like is he saying that in a bad way what is he suggesting he's saying it in a negative way yeah so we're just kind of stuck here like oh he's very subtly inserted in a couple of moments and that is it what's kind of the interesting point of Joker is that if you don't have all that meta information this plays completely normally but with the audience knowing what we know dare I say the director and writer are playing with that information a little bit it's like oh what's your name Bruce we're all like just beat me the idea that it looms over the film though I should be like well it wouldn't those names don't need to mean anything for this film to stand on its own anyway yeah they only add like sort of meta interest they don't actually improve the story itself as to what happens the Waynes could have been the Higgin' Bottoms anybody Bruce Banner? Almighty? Willis? The Lanch? awesome man good one Solaris there are theories that Arthur Fleck is not the actual Joker he just inspired the Joker but then I don't know why we're watching this movie if that's the case watch Gotham that cinches it he could only experience DC stuff through Batman it has to be related to Bruce Wade it can't be like a different character the idea that the Joker to Batman was inspired by a previous Joker and that previous Joker just wouldn't be interesting to see he's just concluded that why would we want to see that he says that it's a sin that Batman looms all over this film and then whenever he asks a question but what if this isn't the actual Joker if that's the case why are we even watching it like I don't get it he's referencing Gotham because they played with that idea in the TV show Gotham and then he's just decided that's what they didn't Gotham he's going to transplant the idea for this and the film never has done that it's never into it at any point also by the way important to note it's a little subtle but the film is called Joker not the Joker and in the comics there are three jokers right clowns this is this universe's Joker this is this universe's Joker they can do whatever they want I'm confused because again what's going on about it it's bad that Batman is so interconnected with this movie he looms over it wait a minute is this not Batman's Joker then why do we care why are we watching what's even the point which one is it mate and by the way did they ever actually state his age in this film no because he's like oh you'll be 60 god damn years old by the time Bruce becomes Batman couldn't they easily get away with being like Bruce ages by 15 years and Arthur looks exactly the same in the next film and they just argue that yeah he's older he was X age in the previous film and he's now Y age and you're like uh huh he could be 28 he could be 28 here for all yeah is there not something that you do not see on his birth certificate or something the day of birth and you can infer from that that he's like early 30s I think I'd have to check but if someone in chat said he's in his 30s yeah I remember seeing it and thinking oh man he looks pretty old for like early 30s but the weird part is like let's push let's push Joker to late fifties like well you can't do that like wait why why why does Joker have to be like not late fifties Joker's not a physical powerhouse that needs to be young in order to function like how old was Jack Nicholson when he portrayed him late fifties mid to late fifties ding that's what I mean I just think of the interesting aspect of a now grown up Batman who is doing Batman stuff who discovers Arthur Fleck the person who set all of this stuff up a result of which was his parents getting killed and he finds this old weak mentally ill Arthur Fleck like what is that interaction going to be anyway Joker must be 60 goddamn years old by the time Bruce becomes Batman what if he's a 60 year old Joker what happens then what is that interaction going to be like what if they meet the Joker can have goons the Joker can have a bane character he can have whatever he wants he could just be forgotten by the movement he's living in squalor he's struggling to survive he's just some guy what does Batman do now it's such a restrictive thing like you can't have a 60 year old Joker what if I don't know what if so um children okay hold on I've got the thing here birth date unknown oh my god it's as if it's something just like everything else really I'd be curious to scan through the film and see if it is actually never mentioned because if it isn't then yeah they've got freedom they can work with this he wants it yesterday for this and I don't remember them saying it no date on the actual thing either so you can't kind of get an idea maybe if he was a kid at that time either apparently the Arkham clerk says that the files are 30 years old that's something to work with if he's a kid then it'd be 30 I was about to say that means he's at least 30 years old alright and if that file has his birth certificate yeah you're right if that file has the record that he was beaten while attached to a radiator or whatever he's probably 30 what like between 35 and 40 I guess 35 and 40 it could be anywhere around there alright also kids are naive it's a common thing he's like why isn't the kid running away strange or dangerous cause he's a kid why does it I thought maybe you could have a gay Asian Alfred you know you got infinite options but like yeah Alfred doesn't have to be former SAS that's not a definitive even if he was someone grabbing your throat it can catch you off guard especially what seems to be Alfred's Alfred's not exactly he's not looking like that this fella but yeah getting choked up by loser cloud only non-former SAS kid full of such a thing is this supposed to be Alfred yeah this is Alfred everybody in chat or are you going to tell me this isn't Alfred it's John it's Alfred's dad he was the first one okay Alfred's away in the SAS right now but Alfred doesn't have to be former SAS no imagine if Arthur had come home just 10 minutes later his mom would be missing and he'd have no idea why but at least not for a good while so he would eventually find out and then go to hospital and then the police would find him there and so on the film doesn't even fucking change yeah remember the police let him go what is he trying to say he would still be in the exact position either way he goes home right he comes home and she's not there he's like mom where are you what the fuck and then he checks his answering machine there could be a call from someone saying your mother's been admitted to the hospital or he waits there for an hour and he gets called and it's like next to kin what's going on shower I just find it fascinating that he's like wow what a coincidence it could have happened at any point it doesn't change anything why are you saying this stop you hit my brain we got this videotape from Pogos Comedy Club right here in Gotham here's a guy who thinks if you just keep laughing it'll somehow make you funny I don't know if this is in Arthur's head or what but I have a couple questions about this scene first off did someone in the audience videotape this performance or was it Pogos Comedy Club Pogos does it they show it and he said he just said that didn't he the uh Murray he just said that it was from Pogos Comedy Club also why would it matter either way is it unreasonable I don't know that's what I mean I'm just I never get Pogos clearly is recording this to some degree do you not think they keep tapes of these performances well they show it when we go to Pogos for the first time I think they show the recordings happening and not all TVs are going to give the same level of footage and not all cameras are going to give the same level of footage Pogos had closed circuit televisions for the comedians how does he know how is it that you have arrived at this this shot is completely different than the one that shows up on Murray's show so because there could be more than one shot you've concluded it can't possibly be recorded by Pogos what if they said could we have the raw footage or like the tape itself so it's not showing on whatever this TV is it goes way better imagine this there's two cameras and this is showing us one shot I know I thought I would take it to the next level and you know so someone might say God this is just nitpicking I'd be like nope nitpicking is when you're accurate sorry this is just I don't even know what this is conjecture rambling desperately searching for any kind of criticism completely different than the one that shows up on Murray's show and this is the early 80s so it would be hard to believe that they set up multiple cameras in this place why? it doesn't mean it can't happen multiple cameras no it's old they would do that someone in chat said do they not think that video editing wasn't a thing I mean I can get that it perhaps seems that a bit of a stretch that a low level comedy club would invest in really expensive camera equipment I was gonna say if it's recognized by Murray's show he says it by name as if recognizable I guess people know Pogo's I don't know he was referencing it by name because that's where the footage came from he had to kind of state that but if it's someplace an open mic night for a guy who's got no experience like Arthur I just assumed it was kind of a dive well it doesn't have to be a big place to be successful and we don't even know how often that could just be for the hour of that day that we're gonna have an open mic and there's a couple of people we don't have enough information to really make a call yeah all we know is that they record the performances there and then they can lead to people getting their careers doesn't it make sense isn't that how comedians get around if it's open mic you never know who's gonna turn up they could spin some comedy gold you've discovered a new talent they go on you get a manager attached to them you make a lot of buck I assumed as well these videos are perhaps for the comedians themselves to play back and see what works about their show and what doesn't that sort of thing like they could maybe pay money to get the tape I don't know I think you've thought about this way more than fucking I just find that the comment so funny is like close circuit you're like why couldn't it be that it's presenting it to people in the back what's going on on stage while recording it why is that impossible how do you conclude this based off what evidence sir do you conclude said citation needed place second half while our first comedy is awful open mic nights in big cities freaking always have some awful sex plus Murray does this at the end of his monologue and it comes out of nowhere um what makes you think he hasn't done it before and why would it be a part of a segment in this show and not part of the monologue why do you not think that they have some plan as to what they're gonna do before they go live what why would it not be a really it's it's so easy he bounces off it as the point he plays clip and then he does a one-liner and that's part of his ending or opening monologue whatever I think you've seen it was the ending I don't understand why this would need to be its own segment or part of a segment I don't understand yeah and then they just move right along after these two parts would it be a reoccurring bit like stupid human tricks or couple characters like what makes you think it's not reoccurring that he randomly shows clips from aspiring comedians maybe some that are good some that are bad why not why not why not just Jeremy says feels like something that would be part of a segment in his show and not part of the monologue it would be a recurring bit like stupid human tricks or carpool karaoke man I just really wish they'd found a less sloppy way for Murray to mock I really wish you found a less sloppy way to criticize the film he said it was sloppy so it's fair he nailed it it would be ridiculous for someone to put things on their bedside cabinet and to drop the newspaper on the floor next to the bed where they were probably reading it literally have a gun on my bedside cabine