Hydiolch nesaf, wrth gwrs. Rwy'n gweithач i'r ffrindriadau gymryd, mae'n gweithio wirio laffai cynllunig yma, y 30 oedwng wedi gweld hynny, felly mae'n gweithio am ffartig. Rydw i'n gweithio ar y gyfladdol yn meddwl. Ond rydym yn modd i'r gwahodd, dyf i'n gwzglwch byw i ddigon cael ei pethau yn hynny, mae efallai gael gwio o'r llwyr hyn yn diolch ar gyfer y trafnidau ac mae'r cyrra. Monerau, mae angen i'n gweithio ddлиfodol o'r bethau. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'n meddwl interactio, Lawrence. Gwyd ter hefyd yn gweithio'n cwestiynau. Ondog, roeddwn i'n diwrnod o'n deall hwych yn gydag, yn rhyw'n mynd i'r cwestiynau gwirionedd? Mae'r cyfwyr yn go ndeg, roedd o'n cyfwyr yn cyfwyr, mae'r cyfwyr yn cyfwyr, mae'n cyfwyr yn cyfwyr. Ond rydyn ni'n cyfrwng o'r rhain, architectureton o'r cyfrwng y cyfrwng gwyrt acrylic. op traps yr ymarfer o osweitio. 1. 1 ydym economiaid o Robertson. 200 yn gwirionedd ASY an't e accompanied grant It's obviously my ward I know and user center frequently a customer but not trustee and I have no connection with it other than is ordinary meber and a customer. Thank you gifts of Samford thank your chair P pizza new to this I assume the community test application oedd nifer o'r gaelol yn rhai o y profiadau. Rwy'n rhaid i'r ystyried o'r bwrdd sy'n ei fach, iddyn nhw. Roeddwn i'r rhaid i'r fach o'r… Roedd ydych chi'n oed oherwydd i ti hynny y bydd. Roedd roedd yna'r hynny o hyd i'r ymddangos, gollio gael yn hyn yn ôl? Roedd yn hyn. Roedd yn gollio, roedd yn ôl. Roedd, yan yn ôl. Roedd eich gael. Roedd yna'r ystafell y gaelol, enghreifft, Fe ychydig o hanes o'r annun o'r newid. I'm a trustee of the Melbourne mobile warden scheme, and my partner is employed by that, so I have essentially a procurement. I will be leaving the room when that one's on and Sue will take over for me. Thank you very much. Okay, in that case we'll go to agenda item number three, which is page three of your agenda. We go through the normal process just by page by page. There will be page one, page two, and page three. Sing out if you've got anything. No, I might take that as a, okay, to sign off. Thank you. Agenda item number four is the electric vehicle charge point grant funding applications. And I believe we have Mr Luke Waddington, the officer who's dealing with this online. Good morning, Luke. Good morning, hi everybody. Can I hand over to yourself and we'll go from there. Absolutely, thank you very much. Thank you chair. I'll just share the application summary to start off with, so bear with me two seconds. So that should be on your screen. I think I can see it. Fantastic, so yeah. Just to start off, I'd like to just acknowledge a mistake that you can probably see right at the top of that page there, where it says appendix A, Cambridge Sports Lakes Trust Applications Summary. Obviously, as we've just heard, this is for over a community centre, not Cambridge Sports Lakes Trust. That application was considered last month. That's just an error on my part, a typo, if you will. So apologies for that, but the rest of the information in the report and the summary in front of you relates to the application from over. So it's just that error on that title. So apologies for that. So into it proper, the application is from obviously over community association. They are applying to the EV Charge Point Grant scheme for £5,000 towards the purchase and installation of two charge points at the car park of over community and conference centre, which you can hopefully see there in front of you on the map and the location marked by a red dot. You can also see a couple of the other nearby sort of amenities, which we'll come on to a little bit later on. So as you can also see there over community association, at least the site from the parish council, our long term lease and the parish council have confirmed their support in writing for the proposal. So just moving down, you can see the proposed location there in the photograph just in front of the building adjacent to some disabled car parking spaces. So the site itself is considered to sort of give or have a good, so be a good location for the proposed charge points in terms of the demand. There'd be a good prospect of them being used as there's a quite wide variety of facilities and amenities near the centre. So if I just scroll up again, you can see there's a preschool there at the site. There's also a cafe. It's also a conference centre, so it attracts visitors from outside, outside the area outside the village potentially. Obviously they're adjacent recreation ground with sort of sports facilities, play facilities and over pharmacy that you can just see in the top corner of the map or the aerial photo. There's also over High Street itself is around seven minutes walk away from the site and there's around 30 also houses on drinks close, which again you can just see there that road along the sort of top of the map. They basically don't have access to their own private parking and so potentially would benefit also from a public charger within walking distance of their homes. So, yeah, there's a good range of facilities and attractions within the village that then could attract people to the chargers to be used. The chargers themselves are proposed to be 22 kilowatt chargers as we've seen in a couple of applications to this grant now, which is good because they're quite a lot quicker than the sort of more common 7 kilowatt chargers. So you're looking at a charge time of perhaps around an hour or two, which obviously means you can get a higher number of cars through the chargers. So moving down through some of the other sort of criteria, the applicants have provided a detailed quote from an installer along with project costs, project timelines. So as I mentioned, applied for the full £5,000 available through this grant with the association of meeting the remaining sort of roughly two and a half thousand pounds of costs themselves. Provided a timeline, so quite detailed chart, detailed chart targeting a sort of installation by sort of mid August of this year, their chargers should they be successful. They've also the applicants also confirmed support from both of the district councillors for this area and agreement or consent to the sort of other three conditions of the grant that they'll basically provide the council with the usage data and maintain the charger both for a minimum of three years. And then a register the charger also on a public map so that people can find it and when they're out and about looking for looking for somewhere to charge. I've also confirmed fire and electrician. The power supply at the site is able to has a capacity sufficient for the charges. So taking all that into consideration, I think it's a good application to the scheme myself and it meets the criteria set out in the guidance. But yeah, I'm happy to take any questions, but that's all for me from now. Thank you. Thanks Luke. Colleagues, any questions? Councillor Williams. Does the community centre have solar power? And if it doesn't, perhaps we could ask them to approach us about a grant from the Zero Communities Fund so that these charging points can be powered from BP? Good question. I don't know personally whether it does or not, but whether if I can certainly find out and if it doesn't and if they've not previously accessed the grant or if they've not. Yeah, if they've not got sailor on that at the moment, it would obviously be a good solution and yeah, enable them to sort of use some renewables to charge the charges. Thanks Luke. Councillor Hamley. I'll answer your question, Councillor Williams. There aren't solar panels yet, but I've been speaking with the chair and he really wants to install solar panels. He's really all for it. I think the problem is that there are one or two members of the trustees putting all of these things together. It's just a matter of getting one under the belt and moving on to the next. I think they felt that the EV chargers would actually benefit the centre greatly simply because it's a conference centre, people now have electric cars. So the answer is yes, I'm pretty sure, but solar panels will be installed in the fairly near future. Councillor Anton. Thank you. Thank you. I've no problem with this at all. I think it's in the right place. It's wonderful. What I perhaps want to understand is that the people that are putting it in, how do you manage an EV point? If Joe Bloggs arrives at four o'clock in the afternoon and plugs his car in and doesn't take it away until eight o'clock tomorrow morning, how do you manage ensuring that others have access to that facility and can use the facility to the maximum potential? I'm nothing against this particular one. It's more of an interest. Absolutely. No, it's a good question because it's obviously an issue with people overstaying and hogging a charge point. Essentially, along with a charge point, the physical piece of equipment itself, there's a back office software that manages and runs the charger that takes payment from the people using it and reports back issues to the charge point operator or to their maintenance team. That software can also track the amount of time that people are using the charger. Within that software, you can set the amount of time that people can stay and be charged the normal rate for the electricity that they're using. Then, after a certain point, say two hours, for example, if that was what you chose, you could then be charging them a much higher rate to stay at that charge point. If they stay for two hours and then they were out there for another couple of hours after that, that second couple of hours, you could charge that at a higher rate to discourage them. Then, you could potentially make that known through, say, a sign or a sticker on the front of the charger so that people saw that and then they didn't find out. After the fact, they would then realise how I need to be unplugged here within two hours. That's one way of managing it. More generally, other ways I've seen a general car parking charge that I appreciate that probably isn't something that might be used here. I think other councils perhaps use it as you would just normally any sort of car parking charge for a maximum stay of a couple of hours or whatever it might be. These are the two main ways that I'm aware of, but the software is quite flexible so you can set a maximum time that people can sort of dwell and use the charger. Then thereafter, they could be charged a higher rate to discourage them from overstaying and hogging the charge point. Thank you. I hope with time we develop better ways. I think we ought to set off an alarm that might make somebody come running and take their car out. Probably employ the environmental health officer a lot. Councillor Williams. Thank you, Chair. It's an electric car user. You get fined basically. There are lots of different ways that people do this. In Tesla, for example, if you overstay on the Tesla, you get fined quite a considerable sum of money. There are other operators that do that and there are operators, as has been explained, that only give you a certain period of time to charge your car. It's in their interests not to have a car sitting on the charge point, not charging. These operators do have ways because you have to use an app so they have your bank details.  Thank you, Councillor Williams. Colleagues, are we looking to support this? I'm looking at the room nods all the way round. Councillor Williams, that's a yes from us down here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, everybody. Thanks. Moving on to a genuine item number five. We have my colleagues who will be taken over. I just need to ask the Democratic Services just for a second. I can give a very brief update which doesn't involve any money or any kind of interest, as far as I know. You can always stop me. I will look for the brick in the side of my head. OK, thank you. Right, just very quickly for colleagues. As of today, the Melbourne mobile warden scheme will be taking over control of the Haaston scheme. That's what the agreement was that we signed last week. The total number of people being served has gone from 48 in mobile warden scheme up to 64 now. Another two additions over the Haaston area over this week. All the wardens are retained for both schemes. They're joined together. I'm just trying to make sure I go right through this properly. I think that's probably about it. That would be enough, I think to say. I'll hand over to my colleague and leave the room. Thank you. Thank you, Emma. Do you want to say a few words? Absolutely, I think. I'll just add a little bit to what Jason has just said. From 2021 to 2024, we provided Haaston Village Warden Trust with £5,500. Before the takeover took place, they also approached Age UK to see if they'd be interested in the scheme, because they were quite declined. Obviously, Councillor Hales has just updated you. What they're requesting is that the funding that we provided to Haaston is transferred to the Melbourne scheme. Obviously, that would need to come back to the council for reallocation, as we've done in previous situations that are similar to this. Any comments on that one, please? Thank you, Members. Anybody who might have a few words? It seems a fairly straightforward operation or matter for us, but it seems a fairly straightforward thing to me. I've got no objections to this at all. It's an operational matter and I'm quite happy. I've seen nods and happiness from all concern, and suddenly I feel it's a very good conclusion to an issue. I think we've totally supported any objections. In that case, it's a nod from us. Thank you. Thank you, Joes. That was a nod from everybody. Thank you very much. We'll keep the money. Colleagues, I gender out number six, which is the Care Together Seed Funding for Mobile Warden Schemes. Emma, that's yours. Thank you very much, Emma. This is the Care Together Seed Funding for Mobile Warden Schemes. The Adult Social Care Community Board at the County Council have approved funding of 28,500 to us for two things. Firstly, the promotion of services of mobile warden schemes, which is obviously with an aim to increase numbers of service users and ensure the continuation of face-to-face visits at a reasonable cost. Secondly, to support the Melbourne mobile warden scheme, as we've just heard about, and taking over the management of the Haarsen District Village Warden Trust. This is obviously to ensure the continuation of the support of clients. The grant scheme totals £21,000, and this would be administered by us as the Council, the South Wales District Council. I've proposed some scheme criteria, such as an appendix A on page 27. This criteria, just to let you know, is in line with other grant schemes that we've run as well, so it's very similar, just with a few additional things, obviously. The remaining £7,500 would be allocated directly to the Melbourne mobile warden scheme, for the purpose of, as I've said, taking over the Haarsen scheme. This is in accordance with the funding agreement provided by County Council. So, your thoughts be welcomed, and whether you agree to the criteria in Appendix A and the points that I have raised. Thank you. Thank you. I apologise. I even read this again this morning, I didn't even twig. On page 24 of your agenda right at the top, it clearly states Melbourne mobile warden scheme, in the same sentence, is £7,500, which puts me into peculiar interest, so I do apologise for not declaring that earlier, but if I hand over to Councillor Ains and then to take this one again, I do apologise. Thanks. Can I ask if it's possible for us to deal with the £7,500 proposal first, so that Joes could be returned to discuss the rest of the grant? Is that a possibility? Let me just review the recommendation and come back to you. I think it would be useful to have Joes' input into this particular item. I think our view at them services is, yes please do take the £7,500 grant for Melbourne without Councillor Haill's here and once that item or that recommendation has been dealt with, we're more than comfortable for Councillor Haill's to return. OK. Is everybody happy with that idea? OK. Right. If we take the £7,500 then that has been put aside, as it were, for the Melbourne schemes, which are independent and run independently, are we happy? Has anybody got anything to raise about that particular part of Joes' proposal? Press button and get your money back. That's it. Only one question. I think this is excellent. I have nothing against it.  I think my understanding was that £7,500 would be again a one-off payment to include the furtherance of more services to provide for the growth in the services for Melbourne services so that it's for a particular element not just to support the whole scheme. That was my understanding of what I read. Is that correct, Emma? That's correct. Yes, it's one-off. Because this is a lump of money that's come specifically for new and innovative movement to promote community warden schemes that that £7,500 has been allocated to Melbourne because it's such a large patch and has got so much going on just at the moment with adding Halston to its patch. I support this. I'm happy to vote for this. In that case, can we have Joe's Bank to talk the rest of the issues through? Yes. We decided by affirmation? Will you all nod it? Just for the records. Can I confirm that by affirmation we're content with that part of the recommendation? Yes. Thank you, everyone. Sorry. We've decided the £7,500 so you're only talking about the £21,000 now. Thank you. Thank you so much. Lovely. OK. I'll try to machine me in and Emma just carries on now. Is that what I said? Emma's done it a bit. My turn. OK. To discuss this particular proposal. In that case, obviously we read our agendas when in advance of meetings in my area and it was just a thought that came to the three of us that we were thinking about. I'd like to, excuse it, see what was for them, but we'd like to put it together, ask it together if I can offer it to you as a committee to have a consideration of and to explore illegal issues that may or may not arise from it. It may even be a case of having to defer this little portion of the money just if we were to take further advice from legal or whatever. It's just a thought. This is nothing against you, Emma. It's just that it came out of the blue last night, to be fair. So the remaining £21,000, when you look at the number of schemes there are in South Cams, individual schemes, there are certainly more than that times two, 14 schemes in it, 21. I've listed that, 12. So no one would, not everybody, not every scheme would be able to benefit from the money in the first place. So that's the rubbish you like there. So it would be a first come, first served. And we were thinking that, I wonder if there was a consultation process with all of the schemes from us to say, we've got this money sitting here and we appreciate how difficult it is sometimes to do a big advertising campaign or something like that, even targeted or whatever. It might be that if that ABC scheme said, oh yes please, I'd like to be targeted for an advertising campaign, then that South Cams could then do that targeted campaign. I used Melbourne Hub as an example. We were researching and I would like to go ahead with a targeted campaign on post codes using the post office. So all the leaflets that I'll get delivered by the postman as they go around in normal business. And it would include Royston, which is in North Harks, right the way up to YM11. There's a huge chunk of SCDC, if you like, and all the different post codes. And not including the leaflets cost. We were looking at something like 2,500 to do that area. It's a substantial area, it really is. And you could put an A4 through the door with all of the local schemes, details on it. So it could be individualised, which makes it quite personal to those schemes. And they would then be able to manage it. None of our contact details would just be essentially the modem to put that leaflet out through the door using the post office. And that could be tough if a warden scheme doesn't want it or can't cope with any more people. Then they would say, no, thank you, we don't want to be advertised. And so therefore we wouldn't advertise. So that was about the nut thing. The nut thing that bothered me was that there is no way that my particular patch, and I've talked to a couple of other patches, could possibly spend £2,000 on promoting the community warden scheme in my village. We have done everything. We have leafleted. We have been to coffee mornings. We have done all those sort of things. And there is nothing that we could think of that could amount to anything like £2,000. And if we left the money as one big chunk and we made it a priority of Southcams to promote community warden schemes using that money, we could. And my understanding is that it's not about us telling community warden schemes that they're going to get the advert, as it were, or the promotion, but asking them if they would like to be part of that. Because then it's not Southcams schemes that we're promoting, it's the individual schemes on behalf. Southcams is doing it on behalf of the individual schemes. And I think we would have a much better hit rate if we're going into local newspapers, social media, and possibly even posters to go up at village fates and those sort of events. So that we actually get to people rather than, I mean, I'm not wishing to decry your idea, Jos, but I have to say that when I see that bundle of all those leaflets that come in through my letterbox from Mr Postman, I think there's a bloob in here, and that's where they go. So it's much more of a personal approach that I think we have an opportunity here to use that money to employ. Councillor Henry. Yeah, I think I actually think, thinking along the same lines as Councillor Lenton, I do think that there's probably a better way, a more efficient way of using this seed funding. We would obviously need to speak with the funders, because the money's come from the Camusia County Council. The first thing we should do is talk to them. And we also need to make sure that what we do doesn't put this council into any, as Councillor Lenton said, put this council into any difficulties, because each of the schemes are independent schemes and will remain so. But I would certainly be open to speak. I've talked with officers about how we might use this in the best possible way, rather than allocating it individually to independent schemes. As Councillor Lenton said, some schemes are very well, are very successful, have a lot of clients, may not need it. There are some which are struggling. We've got to keep bashing on the door about this. Never stop. We've got to keep advertising. So, yeah, I would be happy if you were to say, if someone suggested, I do it myself, that we actually defer this, and look at the best possible way of doing it, because I've spoken to the county council. Anybody else got anything to say? I'm going to just say one more thing. I've just logged on to the website that we, the hub tends to use, number one hub used for advertising leaflets. So, if you wanted to buy 50,000 leaflets full-colour, 130 GSM paper grave, folded to make it look a little bit more sexy, that will cost 998 quid. So, you can see the value in how, no, I actually agree, I haven't heard what you just said. I actually agree. There's a two-pronged attack here. You could do the generalised whack-out-the-leaf-let for each locations, no, my warden scheme that I'm designing might have you, stick that through the door, and then following up in the next week or so with the targeted stuff. So, that may well be a way forward, and you can't say then we haven't actually tried hard. I think the targeted would cost a lot more than that. But the, you know, the delivery, if you add two and a half thousand to that, for the delivery, for that 50,000, it's a draw. I think the one I looked at was 44,000 for two and a half grand. So, at homes. So, that's what we're thinking about. Okay, thanks. Thank you, chair. I would have my doubts about using either royal mail or private delivery companies for distributing this information. The experience we've had with party leaflets, half of them just get thrown back in the posters van, don't get delivered. As Councillor Erlington said, the more localised approach with that's village newsletter, or just handing them out at coffee mornings is probably going to be far more cost-effective. Councillor Hanraig. So, I'm with Councillor Erlington on this. I believe, personally, that a targeted approach is the best one. GPs would be aware of these weaknesses, families, and I'm sure leaflets will go in the bin so there's still effort. Oh, super. I've been doing this for years. And so, there's the Data Protection Act when it comes to families. There's a whole raft of stuff here, but I think actually what's come out of this is to defer the decision on this. I think I'm looking around the room as an absolute yes. And then go back to Emma and say, I'm really sorry, or we're really, or in actual fact it's useful, but we're really sorry for all the work you've just done on this particular piece. But I'm looking at it now. We are sorry, but if you, we can defer it and then we can have a little stock gap and think to see, I think, probably the target in some form or another is going to be the way forward. But I think it's going to have to be with the advice from legal, as Councillor Williams was interpreting earlier, that we need to be careful and don't tread on people's toes. Once that's done and confirmed, it might be a consultation with each of the board and the teams to say, do you want it, it's the first team, and then go from there. So I think that's a way forward. So if you want to come back, say. Just one comment. And we have a really good communications team here. And if you give them a free hand and a bit of money, they'll think of something that'll really hit home. In that case, might I look around the room at the thorough and now looking at the resource if it's okay, yeah? Yep, okay. I think everyone's refusing to account for the next meeting and we'll come back to the next meeting with a revised recommendation. Do you think if the next meeting, Councillor Williams is too soon or will it be touched later after that perhaps? I'm looking at Emma for that work. So obviously, I think it's going to be a bit of a digitalised advisory committee. I think one of the agreements was that we had to spend money or have to be used within six months, but I need to double check that. I did just on this point. He talked about absolutely legal advice. I have spoken to the monitoring officer who's had sight of the document, but hasn't gone into every sort of part of it. So I can obviously have another meeting. We had our workshop, obviously as you know on Tuesday, and I've already started to look into organisations that we can promote too, like the Home Improvement Agency and various people like the social prescribers. I'm creating a big database at the moment, so that should help. Thank you. I actually think can we just, if Emma checks with the time limit on money, long as we fall inside that, if we have a constructive plan county will be happy with that. But if we just leave Emma to do what she does best. Okay, that's super. Thank you. Okay. We're looking at number seven then. Now I don't think I have to leave on this one, do I? I'm getting tired. You have any minute? Okay, thank you. So this is the mobile warden schemes grant for the year progress report. So that's 2022-23. I believe this is page 35. Is that correct? So a total of £71,708 has been provided by the council to contribute towards schemes for the financial year of 2023-24. As shown in the appendices, all schemes receive grants on track to deliver the agreed outputs. However, as you're aware, you're experiencing financial challenges and obviously I'd welcome your thoughts. And if you connect me now if you need any further investigational action that would be appreciated. Thank you. I won't go into too much detail on all the reports. Thank you. Thanks Emma. Colleagues, any questions? Anybody else got any questions? Points. First of all, I'd like to say thank you for doing the report. I'd love to hand in this, thank them too, but primarily good self. It is quite a good success story with regards to the number of schemes that we have going and I think going back to the last item if we can add more to it just people to the schemes rather than more schemes with whichever way round it is more people being looked after and cared for kept out of full time residential care which has its own knock on effect into the county pot not having to full count 50 odd grand give or take a year per head for someone in the basic form of care then that's that's a bonus all the way round. I can't think other than to say thank you but we've noted what you've written and it's fabulous and I'll go to Council Williams. Thank you chair. I think we do obviously need to recognise that some schemes have been haven't yet recovered from COVID and the effects that COVID had on the number of clients that they serviced and some schemes continue to struggle as a result of that. Also I think we need to note that most schemes have a deficit and again that is something that we will need to address over this years when we come to look at next years budget how we go about addressing that and I am very grateful to the officers who have set up the workshop we are grateful to do that and Catherine and obviously taking that forward so that we can share best practice between the various groups but I think going back to the previous item the really important thing is that we've got to get numbers up and the only way we can do that is to publicise the schemes more and to focus that publicity on the people that make the decisions as to and sometimes it's not the people that are the clients that made that decision but it can be their children or it can be other people like the GPs and personally I think that there's a lot more there's an opportunity there to do a lot more with those people but as I say we can't, it's great thank you very much for the report it shows that we are at least in South Cairns very much trying to help people stay in their own homes so that not only do we save the NHS and add up social care and money but they feel happier in themselves it's the person's wellbeing here that's the whole point of doing this but we have to recognise that it is costly we don't have a staff this is not a statutory duty of this council so we need to think very hard how we continue to fund these schemes going forward thank you I completely agree with with Councillor Williams think we are about to, there's a concern that so many schemes are in deficit for a start we do need to look at things we're thinking of setting up a new scheme for 24-27 we now have changes, we've got an integrated care system we've got a county council which is looking at what it does I think we need to work together to try and produce a system which works nicely within that integrated care system and the funding of these schemes needs to be looked at very radically as well so that we don't have schemes that are in a deficit at the end of the three-year period we want ones that balance budgets really that's the ideally so I would suggest that we do look at the Magalwarn scheme in some detail bear in mind what we've said earlier about communications advertising etc but also working in Handing Glove really with the county council that is their statutory responsibility to provide care we want to work with them let's have a good old hack at this before we decide what we do for 24-27 I have done a bit of homework and yes we do need to increase the numbers I don't dispute that but my particular group have had an average of 13 service users this year and we can only take 16 but if we took 20 at the end of next year if nothing else changes we would with 13 we would be 8,000 pounds get over at the end if we had 20 users we would still be 4,000 pounds under budget numbers are important we do want to keep the price down for clients to use we significantly I agree with Bill that we do significantly need to get another funder on board but I think we also need to look very closely at the costs that the Age UK have now decided to charge us to run these schemes and that is really what's tipping us over the balance at this particular time and I think we need to scrutinise those whether it's that put things into the budget that are dubious or whether we need to find somebody else to run our schemes for us because if the independence are managing to run them and managing to cover their costs why isn't Age UK? Can I ask something important here that those schemes are Age UK schemes are not south can schemes Age UK have supplied us with breakdown of the costs that they apply to running their schemes and if they are based on individual schemes so these are not south can schemes we don't in any way employ Age UK to run these schemes Age UK run these schemes and they apply to us for a grant to contribute towards running these schemes so I think that's very important to distinction to make here but yes obviously they have now provided us with the breakdown of the overheads that they charge for each of their schemes and that maybe is something that we can talk to them about but at the end of the day they do not run these schemes for us they are their schemes and we contribute towards those schemes through the grants that we give them Thank you Catherine so just to clarify what we just said the schemes are not run by Age UK which have been referred to as independent I suppose you could like they thrive or fail as anybody else if they don't manage their finances right or getting the trouble and that's so weird and I'm touched by what you just said even though Age UK set up the schemes I suppose technically every one of the schemes that they set up fall under the same category if they can't manage to run and indeed they have given us notice that they are no longer going to be running full born and television schemes from September because they can't make them pay they can't get enough clients for those schemes to cover their costs and so they've given us notice that they're not continuing with those schemes so you have to bear in mind these are not our schemes there are people organisations that run these schemes either Age UK or other groups and we call them independent maybe the terminology might be changed there but they're independent i.e. they're not an Age UK scheme but at the end of the day the council here provides grants to people who are running these schemes they are not South Cairn schemes Thank you John John's just really reinforced what I'm saying that we need to look and fresh at this we need to look at talk to the county and come up with a scheme which are efficient and do what everybody wants them to do so I would just say let's take this away and come back with a scheme that we think is going to work I totally agree ok thank you we're going to go on to the next one which is the community chess funding oh, service support grants oh we could do service support grants first shall we? sorry just before we move on I just wanted to clarify are we assigning any time scales to the action of the last item yes well can I say that obviously we have to put next year's budget together for the following three so as this is concerned we need to put the budget for the 24-25 and that has to be put together by October so we really need to have this a decision on this made for the the latest of September meeting of this committee thank you I'm sorry and I thought we'd done the service support grants I thought we'd just strayed into it by mistake so I do apologise let's go back to agenda item number eight and then Emma can do her bit and then if we strayed further we'll go to what we said thank you ok so service support grants again another end of year progress report for 2022-23 page 61 so this is the last annual progress report for the 2019 to 2023 cycle and you'll know that this is a cycle that includes includes one extra year's funding due to the effect of the COVID-19 pandemic and it's good to see from Appendix A on page 65 these organisations having the main covered from the effects of COVID so that's really good to hear just to note as you'll be aware disability temperature has now closed and the remaining £2,500 of their grants has been transferred to DISH which is disability hunting denture who also receive our funding you'll notice in the report there's a few highlighted bits in yellow so one of these was from the voluntary network there were just some stats statistics that I was waiting on I'm still waiting on these I have emails so it's just part of the things that we've said to them that they would need to provide in their agreement so just a note on that one and again care network there was just reference to projects called project catalyst in the original grant agreement when I looked at it there was something called the open arms project and I've looked at both projects and I can see that they tried to both tackle loneliness so I think it was probably something as far as I mean I wasn't working on this grant back in 2019 but I think what it intends to do is a very similar thing I think the project catalyst is something there providing grants £300 grant to help organisations that tackle loneliness so that's just something to be aware of and as with the previous gender I just want to welcome any comments any comments for further action thank you thank you Emma colleagues any questions or comments for Emma I'd just like to say thank you for the work you put into this report and the fact that we nearly missed it sorry about that it's just seems to be a good success story all the way through I think that's pretty pretty jolly good actually and then we know about Dishon who I didn't make a couple of meetings back so that's good if there's no one else that's got any comments or questions for Emma then I'll just say thank you for that and perhaps you could move on to number nine thanks thank you very much so the last agenda item so you'll have the details of eight applications this month and this includes one community-led plan application however since the report was written the Melbourne County primary school parents, teachers and friends association on page 115 have withdrawn that application in response to an email we emailed them asking for further details including whether they have permission from the school and the county council they've not yet managed to obtain any written permission and their quotes from the electrician has now expired so they said that they would rather resubmit once they have this information so I've done some recalculations the totals say for the seven remaining applications the total applied for is now £11,977 £9 not £13,160 £9 on to the first application page 111 we have Cambridge Open Art Exhibition this organises the annual Open Art Exhibition for Artists in South Cambridgeshire it also stores and loans equipment for schools and community groups for their own events what they'd like is new and replacement display and hanging equipment and this is just to replace older equivalents they've got total costs are £1,880 £9 all of which has been requested from the community chest I've broken that down further you can see in the report of how much the hanging display also hanging equipment is in the display boards so you can see those both district councillors are in support colleagues questions please we're very silent today councillor answer well it seems a very useful project that they are able to provide equipment that otherwise people go out and buy and then perhaps destroy or stick in a cupboard and not use anymore so I'm all in favour of it thank you and I'm looking round the room and I'm not seeing any decent in the faces so I might assume that we'll agree we do thank you Emma thank you thank you page 112 we have the PAPWF team ministry this offers companionship and support to elderly people and that's in 15 local villages and they organise a summer event called Rendezvous and there's a holiday club senior citizens that's held in August in PAPWF Village Hall so the two day holiday programme includes activities, talks demonstrations and entertainment as well as lunch and transport that's all part of the package there total costs for hall higher activities and catering are £1,920 and £600 has been requested from the community chest PAPWF parish council are providing £225 noticely parish council contributing £75 they've made a grant application to the Samuel Franklin Trust but they're still waiting on the outcome of that one green options, where possible they're going to share transport and local activity leaders will be used and recycling will take place thank you very much colleagues, Casas Edward thank you chair yes I actually met with the organisers a few weeks ago they were having what they described as a kick off they've got a solid core of enthusiastic organisers and a lot of senior citizens keen to attend the Village Hall was essentially full just for this kick off event so it's obviously well supported and it's noted that I am supporting the application thank you I've had one question they've made the application for funding and they haven't heard yet from what you said it was called who is it they've applied to isn't it the Samuel Franklin Trust yeah how much have they applied to that for? £500 yeah total cost £120 the total cost they've applied for £600 I can't calculate it in my head right now that's the exact amount so far as to say of 1900 cost it seems quite low really I mean they're not taking any if you look on page 114 it's an association with obviously district councillers Councillor Samford has spoken and written it's fine and so has Councillor Howell and Councillor Howell says in his last sentence have the grant committee is able to support the church and even if possible increase the request for an extremely worthwhile endeavour I don't know if there's any need to increase it but if they don't get their other funding they're still well within the £2,000 and I just wonder if they should be advised if they if they don't get their other funding then they can come back and ask again for the top up which you're right for the price Councillor Samford I would think their costs aren't actually fixed if they don't get the additional grant they can always counsel some of the entertainment or activities to suit their budget it isn't like they're going out with a fixed, buying a fixed item so to speak I take your point but I was hoping that we could maintain the agenda of entertainment for different groups it could be quite impactful if some of these aren't done anyway that's just a thought but other than that can I be reassured this has been run by a church can I be reassured that it's open to the general public it's not just for the congregation we asked this question before about this particular one I haven't had the ministry in it I can endorse that as well I asked the question that it is cross church isn't not even to people who are members of a church it's just senior citizens in general in that case I think I'm looking around thinking we're okay with this that's a yes please if you could just put that caveat Emma okay so page 114 we have the great chisel windmill trust so they look after the windmill obviously which is a popular local attraction you can see the photograph of it there on the agenda what they like to do is purchase and install an additional picnic table and bench total project costs are £2,532 £2,000 has been requested from the community chest the additional £532 will come from their existing funds they've not asked the parish council for assistance as they've already provided £2,500 to help with the annual maintenance costs so that's things like insurance maintaining the grounds and cleaning councillor James Hobo is in support thank you this was my patch prior to the boundary changes 2018 and I know this very well the parish council are monumentally supportive of this project they've underwritten it for donkeys years so I have no issue of that comment there with regards to the parish it is a beautiful windmill it really is it's one of the last few and it's beautifully placed on top of a hill to get the best wind and they work so hard for this so I hope to speak on behalf of councillor Hobo on this one but it's over to you questions from the floor councillor David thank you chair I'm just trying to see whether the groundworks fit in some of that over £2,000 that's not just for installing a new picnic table that includes groundwork I believe as well yes groundworks £2,000 purchased the table and benches 520 so that's just general groundworks on the side okay fine thank you groundwork picnic area it needs to be now down and go for a walk okay in that case I'm looking around I think we're in acceptance thank you very much the next one is the county primary school from the album that I told you that they've done so we won't go on to that one there's no point in that one are you happy for them to obviously defer to a future ground advisory committee are you happy for that to take place yes please so page one on seven so we have the melbourne dynamoes football club they're a community football club who play on a number of pitches around melbourne village college they currently have around 430 participants with 270 playing regularly in the under 7 to under 18 age groups and what they would like is two sets of metal collapsible goals first aid kits and the quantity of matchables total project costs are 2,000 pounds all requested from the community chest you'll see some yellow highlighted parts here I've now received quotes which includes a long list of different size balls and quantities all highlighted but obviously they've requested 2,000 pounds exactly but I think what they've probably done has gone for the maximum amounts and the balls which are relatively low cost have added those all in to get to the maximum what else so also we've also been told that the goals have been purchased will be purchased and stored nearby sorry pardon me so they aren't left out so that's obviously good they have a verbal open ended agreement with the college and the sports centre management committee to access the pitches club is very well supported by melbourne parish council and they've recently provided 6,337 pounds and 76 funding I did ask what specifically this funding was provided for but I haven't managed to ascertain that yet so I don't know you may know a little bit more on that bit but you have obviously yourself and councillor salianne Hart in support thank you just to explain the number of applicants melbourne parish council has a solar fund for a number of years now and they have a number of applicants which grows every year and if they are swamped by applicants then what they do is they divide the amount by the applicants and then start taking percentage of everybody so everybody would not have got their full application but they still help out so that's what's happened here and so the suggestion there was made by my colleague that's come to this committee for the other bits and pieces it's a variety of football equipment stuff like that they do fund in its entirety the subscription fees and kit for people from an underprivileged background I believe they have some disabled individuals and I think there are special requirements for bits and pieces for that so they're a team and a half or club and a half rather and they've got about 20 or 22 teams something like this that they're playing all the time it's a huge effort so this is a drop in the ocean this kind of help anyway over to the floor councillor salianne honestly I can't I can support this quite easily to be perfectly honest yep no problems with it thank you very much anybody else anything to say or should I just look round the room and look for nods nods to these that's the thank you very much Emma next one okay page 1 on 8 so we have another football club this is the cottonham united colts football club we currently have 400 members 15 boys teams and 7 girls teams and they're expanding the number of teams so they need another set of portable goals total project costs of £4,695 £68 per pair including delivery and assembly £2,000 has been requested from the community chest they've also made applications to the co-op community fund that's £1,400 then edge community association £1,000 and club fundraising will cover any shortfalls the parish councillor supported the extra goals but have no funding available there will also be a requirement to move the goals to the club's other location at cottonham village college depending on the pitch allocation so they obviously have goals they're quite portable we have support from councillor Eileen Wilson still waiting on support oh no sorry we do have support from councillor Osborne that's just with me coming as well so yeah thank you colleagues I mean I think it's just a rework of what we just said just now councillor Eileen Wilson I thought it was a rework the only thing that I did feel slightly uncomfortable about was that cottonham is quite a big parish with a large parish council and yes they say they support but there's no evidence that they have in the past supported or helped except verbally and I just felt that was a bit mean I agree with that comment I mean it surprised me that the parish council said no they haven't financially supported them just doesn't seem right at all I suppose they have any consolation and there obviously must be reasons for that but the only consolation I can think of for us as the grants committee at offices is that if Melbourne played cottonham obviously Melbourne would win so that would be a bonus and we could feel heartened that the parish council should have put their hand in their pocket and it might be a different result so on that note perhaps we could ask Emma to write back to the cottonham football club I'm assuming we're going to support this just looking around the room so that's a yes but could you write back and say that we were disappointed that cottonham parish council didn't put their hand in their pocket and if they have for something else then they should have put it in the application form thank you next okay so page one online this is a new application I've not had one like this before this is a parish council one of our smaller parish councils that are eligible to apply but they're responsible for the drainage on the land at the church lane play area what's happened is over the years the pipe work that collects spring water from the play area has become blocked and deems basically ineffective and obviously useless because of this blockage knock-on effect is that there's a stream of water that runs downhill onto the road and there's a big puddle in the play park as well back in 2021 a cyclist unfortunately slipped over so urgent britting is now needed on a regular basis when it's obviously freezing weather and I've mentioned about the boggy patch that's by the entrance to the playground so they've had a recent quote of 2994 pounds and that's from a recommended contractor although so this is quite interesting although the parish council have agreed to finance all of the projects in their meeting on the 17th of November it's now hoped that half of the costs could come from the community chest so that they can maintain the reserves for sort of the placing play equipment as necessary and also for speed reduction projects in the village so that they can have support from councillor Cwylun Garvey of looking at the comments, thank you thank you, my colleagues this is a slightly more complicated one my instant response to the last sentence you've read more or less was what didn't you put in application for the play equipment and not this but anyone else go in the comments councillor had me I'm quite troubled by this to be honest seems to me this is the sort of thing the parish council should be paying for I agree with you if they've got a bit more imaginative maybe provide another item of equipment for the play area then it would have been a different thing but I don't know this is maintenance surely it's all it's parish council business to manage their drainage area particularly in their play area why would we pay for that I'm not being difficult really it's just I need to understand things and I don't think I don't think it's our bag to be honest I think this is difficult councillor Irish, councillor Samford have you got any comments you'd like to make before we move forward councillors and Irish so there's nothing no one said why the parish council weren't funded so can we not just go back and ask them they mentioned about the reserves maintaining their level of reserves so they can essentially fix the play equipment and what have you I think it was at a later date councillor Samford likewise I'm a little uneasy about this I noticed the playing fields were actually released from the university I'm wondering what the terms of the lease are whether the university should actually be maintaining the ground I don't know but I think we need more information particularly why they've come back very late in the day and asked for half the funding I agree on page 120 paragraph 3 fills me with utter dread where it says the drainage pipe was laid by the former chair of the council and for some years the pipe worked quite well but in 2020 it became completely blocked by a tree root due to perforate field drainage pipe being used instead of a solid pipe I'm minded to refuse I think councillor Samford's comment with regards to who owns the land I'll take it that's where the water is running from in which case the university has a duty of care and for this amount of money I'm sure they even got contractors on site they can do this quicker than anything else I think so if we politely decline to support this I think that would be a fair one I'm looking around the room and with those comments from us if they could research the university and if the water is coming out over the road it's highways as well so highways may have they could probably work together everybody could work together and not energy of some sort I did make some enquiries with county council on this and also the flooding team as well but unfortunately because it's coming from the land where the university owner is not really their sort of baggage so it's not really their responsibility as such so there was a more likely positive effect of the water right then and I thank you next one then so we have our very last application this is a community-led plan application from Balmere so this comprises of 10 active members from across the community with an additional 10 being drawn upon we've had several meetings and the questionnaire has been developed I actually went to their meeting back in I think it was January time and I was really really impressed with what they've done the enthusiasm I think really shone through so this is great to see this application I did encourage them to apply surveys in the computer plan will be available online they'll give paper copies as well so obviously they're going to make it accessible to all total project costs are £3,000 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest and that will be from the community-led plan budgets so you can see the breakdown of the costings there, that's promotional materials surveys meetings, printed copies of the plan, contingency money as well the parish council has agreed to hold the funds on behalf of the group if they're successful and they've also agreed to fund the remaining £1,000 and we have support from council they're James Hibro thank you I think this is the obvious a no-brainer it's one of the projects that we work to to help parishes come to the community-led plan which helps our planning process so are we all agreed with this? yeah do you want to say something to the council? only to say this is going to help the community to help themselves so it's a no-brainer really thank you very much that's a yes then from us and just pass on it will save everybody having to write to you to say thank you but we'll just say thank you anyway footage is for the mix-up earlier thank you colleagues, members of the public I know there are hundreds out there looking at this every day it's absolutely fantastic and to them services colleagues here Aaron and Lawrence I cannot have Lawrence as we're now going to call him thank you very much thank you very much thank you to Luke who was here and gone and just to say the meeting is closed but the next meeting will be on the 27th of July at 10am and thank you very much goodbye


Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you, including Larry Bailey, Michelle Serju, and Miss Music Teacher. Coming up on DTNS, Netflix and Warner take different tactics to survive the coming streaming wars. Reddit figures out how to sell NFTs and don't call them NFTs. And the chip shortage is now a chip glut. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, November 4th, 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane. From Columbus, Ohio, I'm Rob Dunlwood. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Oh, my friends, you're not going to want to miss this show. Pass it around, send it to your friends. Let's start with the quick hits. Apple tapped to pay let's a merchant use their iPhone. That would be a 10S or newer, like a cash register. So a customer just taps the seller's phone with whatever they have, contactless credit card, or maybe their own phone. To use it, though, a merchant needs to use a compatible sale system. Up until now, that has meant square. PayPal, though, just announced it will add support for Apple's tap to pay for PayPal and also Venmo. That means that a merchant who uses either of those can turn their phone into the only payment terminal that they need. In addition to supporting tap to pay, PayPal will also add Apple Pay to PayPal's payment options. So if you're checking out on a website that uses PayPal, you could pay with Apple Pay. Next year, you'll be able to add PayPal and Venmo branded credit cards to Apple Wallet as well. Rob experienced this tap to pay in person. We'll talk to him a little bit about that on the extended show. If you're a patron, stick around for that. Twitter closed its offices and notified employees that they would receive an email letting them know if they were laid off or not. A group of employees then filed a class action lawsuit claiming that the layoffs violated the WARN Act, the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, which requires a company with more than 100 employees laying off more than 50 of them at once from a single site of employment to give 60 days notice. The Verge has seen an internal fac and emails indicating approximately half of Twitter's employees have been laid off and will receive pay and benefits in compliance with the WARN Act. And if they sign a release, get a further one month of base pay as severance. Now, that may still be less than Twitter previously promised to employees. And if so, that could violate a term of Musk's acquisition agreement. So there's still some questions around that. Multiple advertisers have also paused campaigns on the platform and CEO Elon Musk posted on Twitter that the company has seen a massive revenue drop. However, many of the advertisers express concerns about possible changes to Twitter's moderation policies. Twitter has not yet changed any of those policies and has retained its head of safety and integrity, Yoel Roth. AMD announced the RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT GPUs, the first based on its RDNA3 architecture, which uses a chiplet architecture similar to its latest Ryzen CPUs. AMD claims the XTX will be up to 1.7 times faster than the RX 6950 XT, both cards support DisplayPort 2.1, meaning higher refresh rate support on 4K and 8K, compared to DisplayPort 1.4. The 7900 XTX uses a 350 watts of board power compared to Nvidia's 450 watts for the RTX 4090. The 7900 XT, hope you're keeping score here, a lot of products being thrown out here, has a board power of 300 watts. Both use two 8-pin connectors, so no need for adapters. And both launch, September 13th, the XTX costing $999 and the XT costing $899. December 13th, you said September by accident, but I'm sure people could have figured that out. No, we're going back in time, Tom. Are we? Oh my gosh, I didn't realize that. I'm sorry, I meant December. I don't know what day it is. And yeah, the upshot of all those numbers is you've got better power efficiency from these. And lots of benchmarks yet to come. During AMD's RDNA 3 card announcement, it teased the first DisplayPort 2.1 capable 8K ultra-wide gaming monitor from Samsung, the Odyssey Neo G9. A full announcement is expected at CES, but AMD built it offering 8K as horizontal only, so it's unclear how many vertical pixels it has. High-res DisplayPort 2.1 monitors will also be coming from Acer, Asus, Dell and LG in early 2023. Well, folks, the streaming TV landscape is about to change. The rush to launch new services seems to be over. We've talked about the fact that there really haven't been any this year and none planned for next year. So the fight to survive the culling from you, the subscriber, has begun. People are still subscribing to streaming services, but they're subscribing to fewer of them. One of Netflix's methods to keep you subscribed is to launch Netflix Basic with Ads, a $6.99 a month service. It's the cheapest service Netflix offers, and it is supported by commercials. The Verges Jay Peters took the new service for a spin. He says some shows are not available on the ad-supported tier. We knew that, but they show up in the interface with a red padlock button. And if you click on it, it tries to upsell you to one of the services that doesn't have ads. Peters was most impressed, though, by the unpredictability of the ad load. He said he got four to five minutes of ads per hour, which is what Netflix estimated it would deliver, but he was never certain where they'd show up. Here's also what he said he found. So ads were between 15 and 30 seconds, pretty standard. You can pause ads, but you can't skip over them on this free tier. Netflix branded shows always had a pre-roll ad, but varied the mid-roll ad, sometimes not having any in the middle at all, sometimes having as many as three. And then certain shows, such as Community and Seinfeld, didn't have any ads at all. Okay, so we're gonna talk about Warner Brothers' discovery take on surviving these wars, but let's get your impression, Rob, of this idea of a little bit of ads. If you were to go for this, would this bug you? I don't think so. If you're conditioned to not have ads, you'll just get the higher service, which many people already have. I think what Netflix is really trying to do is all those folks who are sharing passwords, and they know that that's going to come to an end, but they don't necessarily want to pay for the full account, they're going to give them something in the middle. Plus, I think they're going to sign up a gaggle of people who just didn't have Netflix, and it's like, ah, seven bucks, that's something I could go for. So I think this is actually going to do quite well. There is an enormous amount of very good content on Netflix, and I think this is just going to be a way to open it up to more and more people. You know, that red padlock button of like, oh, yeah, you're on the free tier. You want to watch this though, right? You and your friends are talking about it. I mean, we've got an option for you. I think it's probably going to work well for Netflix. This works well in many other places where you get upsold on things that are on a premium tier that are not free. It doesn't mean you have to. I can think of a variety of free video services where I'm like, I don't have to pay, and I don't want you that much. But maybe I do want you that much. And Netflix might get some money in response. The only thing about it, they're turning lemons into lemonade here. The reason these are padlocked is not because they didn't want them on the tier. It's because they have preexisting agreements they signed when they never thought they'd do ad supported streaming that prevent them from putting there. So it's not strategic. I'm not sure how much that works for them, especially if it's like Rob saying, somebody's like, oh, I want to watch the new Stranger Things season. If you were to show up and Stranger Things was behind the padlock, it wouldn't work. That's not what they're doing. But then it's the less compelling stuff that's behind the padlocks. I don't know. Meanwhile, Warner Brothers Discovery is taking the consolidation route to try to survive. It has long planned a combination of HBO Max and Discovery Plus and now says it's going to do it faster. They had previously planned to do it in the summer. Now they're going to do it in the spring. The two services right now have 94.9 million subscribers combined, though some of the people might have both. So you wouldn't necessarily convert directly to 94.9 million if you combine it, but you'll get close. It's not clear what the combined service of HBO Max and Discovery Plus will look like, what it'll be called, or what it will cost. But it's going to cost more. Warner's head of streaming, J.B. Peretz, said during their earnings call, prices will head quote unquote north. And I don't think that means you'll have to pay in Canadian dollars. HBO Max is now $14.99 a month or $9.99 with ads. Discovery Plus is $6.99 a month or $4.99 with ads. And by comparison, Netflix's top tier is $15.49 a month. So HBO Max is right now not the most extreme expensive you could get, but it's going to become the most expensive you can get. Warner also plans to launch a free ad supported streaming service separate. So while they combine Discovery Plus and HBO Max, they're going to give you a fast service, free ad supported streaming television service next year as well. Rob, what do you think about this plan? I think they've got to be careful with this because this just may be me in my circles, but I don't know that there's a lot of crossover between people who are into HBO Max and those who are into Discovery. I'm certain that there are some, but I don't know that that's going to be the masses. So for me, if you do this merger and then my price goes up just because there's more content than I wasn't interested in anyway, that probably would make me more apt to drop one or the other. So I just think they got to be careful with this and look and see how much are they going to increase these prices because they can see some churn if people just aren't filling out. It's just not worth it too many longer. Now, I want to point out that during the earnings call, they noted that they have taken some Discovery content and put it on HBO Max already and that Fixer Upper the Castle is now a top five show on HBO Max. And that was a Discovery Plus show, right? That's a Discovery Plus show. Now, Rob, you said don't know how much of the Venn diagram of people who watch both, Discovery Plus has quite a few reality shows that I'm very into. I'm also into a lot of HBO shows. So I am interested in the combined version of this bundle. What I'm not interested in is just overpaying beyond my budget for content in general. I actually just paused my YouTube TV subscription. Yeah, you know, I'll read about the basketball game later type thing, you know, a lot of people and I know I'm not the only one to say this is you kind of have to pick and choose what you're paying for. And if you've got some good shows on HBO Max and Discovery that you feel like makes a lot of sense, great bundle. Otherwise, yeah, it's going to upset some folks. Yeah, you're always going to upset folks when you raise a price. My guess, they're going to make the combined thing be $20 or $15 with ads. Everybody's going to complain and then everybody's going to hit that one show because HBO Max has some really good and popular shows that they're going to be like, but that's worth $20. And they're going to do what I've heard Rob talk about doing all the time, which is like sign up for something, watch the show and then cancel it. Yeah, I was just going to say, I am religious with that. If I don't watch your service for 30 days, I get rid of it. And then when there's something I want to watch, I just get it again. They're easy to sign up and get rid of. They make it pretty easy to do that, which is nice. Yeah. Yeah. Although they really should have done this idea while House of the Dragon was still in its first season. That's all I'm going to say. But they'll be doing it for the second season. Yeah. Well, already be in place. All right. Let's talk about this Reddit thing. So Fortune has an article up by Leo Schwartz and Marco Kieris Gutierrez called how Reddit defied crypto winner and created 10 million market for customizable avatars. Just don't call it NFTs. That's a very long title. Well, NFT trading volumes have fallen 99% this year. Reddit started selling artist design versions of its new SNOO avatar in July, minute on the polygon blockchain for users to use as profile pictures. One of the secrets, don't call them NFTs. In a post announcing the avatars, Reddit never once used the term NFT. Yeah, they did a few other things that were kind of different and interesting as well. Purchasers got the right to use the art on and off Reddit with ownership and portability from the Ethereum based polygon blockchain, meaning that as a user you could resell this in another marketplace like OpenSea. But Reddit also made it easy to start collecting. So all avatar purchases can be made with fiat currency. So if you're a buyer, you don't need to learn a new crypto system because that doesn't always appeal to everybody. It depends on who you are. And Reddit created what it calls vaults. Those are crypto wallets that were integrated into Reddit to make them easy to use. It's the same thing, but it's called something different and it might appeal more to you. A buyer can use their normal method of payment and then the avatar is stored in a vault. You don't need to know anything about crypto to get started or at least that's what Reddit hopes. So the first generation of avatars sold out by October 3rd with sales passing $1 million. The second generation of avatars was launched on October 20th and sales passed $10 million mark on October 31st. Around 3 million avatars are now in circulation and they're being traded. OpenSea said it saw a 75% increase in new users on the polygon blockchain since the October 20th Reddit launch of the second gen avatars. And the R avatar trading subreddit jumped from around 5,000 members on October 23rd to more than 11,000 on October 31st just over a week later. This sounds like it's successful on some level. They cracked it. They called it something that people understand and they didn't talk about all the ridiculous math underneath on how this stuff works. I love the idea of, you know, there was a marketing meeting at Reddit and they're like, okay, we all know what's going on here. Why don't we just spin it as something that's like easy for a Reddit user to use, but it is crypto, but we don't have to say NFTs. And it's not going to put people off that go, NFTs, not for me. And it actually worked. Yeah, I mean, focus on the benefits, not the buzz, is what they did. They said, look, NFTs get some people excited, but to turn other people off, let's just avoid that. What do people like about this stuff? The collectability of it. And that's what this Fortune article goes into with a particular person that they talked to. And it's worth reading that article to get a sense of this person who was like, I was not into NFTs at all. I wasn't really into collectibles, but they sucked me in because they made it appealing and they made it easy. That was the key. What Sarah was talking about, where you didn't have to know anything about crypto, you just bought it with your credit card, and then you had it and you got to use it. If you did know about crypto, then you knew the vault was a wallet and that you could trade on open seas.  Like, I don't know. It seems like they went along the check mark and they said, look, what people get upset at is ideas. So let's not bring those ideas into the conversation. Instead, let's talk about what it is and what people like about NFTs have been the collectability have been that, that sort of baseball card trade with your friends experience. And let's just focus on that and not worry about bringing in the other baggage. Yeah, I think that's exactly it.  But you didn't think about how the organization underneath who you sold and bought them from works, you just trade it with your friends and it was kind of cool thing to do. And I think that Reddit has cracked it with this. Let's do what we've been doing. Just call it something different. And I think what it does show is that this collectability aspect of it is real. Like, forget if you take literally what Reddit did, take away the buzz and you still have a product that is just getting more and more popular. And I mean the buzz around crypto stuff, right? Remove that kind of stuff. Well, folks, it's time to get our holiday gift card list in order. Each year we hand every Patreon. 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Yeah, Tom, Wednesday, Qualcomm noted that making further reductions operating expenses as needed. You know that it is doing that actually. Qualcomm CFO said we went from a period of supply shortages to demand declines. Last week, Intel said it was preparing layoffs, slowing down production at some plants, and deferring purchases of the most costly chip making equipment until demand wanted it. And this week, AMD said it was slowing down hiring in the face of slumping demand. Yeah, electronics manufacturers were stockpiling chips during the shortages. We talked about that, the toilet paper effect. They wanted to make sure they had plenty on hand to meet demand. But now many chip makers report that those manufacturers are not stocking up on chips in advance of the holiday sales, which they usually do, because they're burning through all that built up inventory. During the shortage, companies planned big capacity increases. Now those plans are being curtailed. Mycon reduced its current fiscal year capital expenditure plans by 30% until Lordist projections by $2 billion and TSMC cut its capital spending forecast for the year by 10%. Government subsidies are keeping new construction going, though, leaving some no wonder of new factories built with those subsidies will stand idle. And that's a big concern here in Columbus, Ohio, where I'm from, where Intel has already started construction on their super foundry that they're building. I think they're working on phases one and two. So that's a big thing that they're thinking about right now. Yeah. And one way to justify those would say, oh, well, the economics will turn around, but economic uncertainty is remaining until next year. Nobody knows if the economy is going to turn around. Companies, however, are anticipating new demand. And that new demand would come from rising sales of EVs, Internet of Things, and AR glasses. Those are chips that need to be built on new processes. So if those projections hold true, then those new plants might still get some use. So that's what you're going to tell your friends in Columbus, Rob, go out and buy an EV and some AR glasses and a bunch of smart plugs. Keep those chips in demand. It's kind of amazing, though, to where it literally just seems like weeks ago. Maybe months ago, you were talking about you can't get chips for anything. It's like my car is going to come without heated seats. My rear windshield wiper won't work. That seems like that was just a conversation of just a little bit of time ago. And now we're talking about, oh, we got to slow things down. There's way too much capacity that we could put into the system. Yeah. And I think there still are chip shortages.  You're still having chip shortages for automotive. You're still having chip shortages for some of the older chips. But what you aren't seeing is the capacity lead times for the consumer electronics, for the more advanced chips as they dig into those inventories. So in some ways, you've got a little bit of a chip shortage and a chip glut at the same time. I mean, so many of these things, and I only took one economics class in college, but so many of these things have to do with the company saying, well, hold on, you know, we got a chip shortage and the demand is high. We can benefit from this, even though in the short term, everyone's sort of suffering. And then all of a sudden it's like, well, then consumer behavior gets used to there being a chip shortage. And so fewer people have decided that they really need that chip and maybe just have figured out some sort of other option. And then the companies go, huh, all right, now we have too many chips. We'll get rid of them somehow and prices go down and so it goes. Yeah, it's the volatility of the economy right now. That's the problem. We had so many years of relative stability where demand would fluctuate, but within certain parameters, and you could plan for that. 2020 just tore up everything. And then the war in Ukraine and widespread inflation and energy shortages and food shortages and the logistic supply chain that still hasn't really smoothed out yet is all contributing to the kind of volatility that just makes it hard for companies to plan for that. I wonder if it is good that we have these government subsidies, not just in the United States, they're happening in Europe and elsewhere as well, because it's meaning that they're not shutting down that plant they're building in Columbus and elsewhere. But are they going to end up finishing it with the subsidy and not need it? I think eventually they're going to need it. I think one of the reasons for the slowdown is because of the R word. Are we in a recession? Are we moving into one? That's a big question because people are making decisions. It's like today, people don't buy new TVs because their old TVs broke. They buy new TVs because they want new TVs. And people are now saying, huh, you know, I don't think I need to get a new TV. I can hold off on that purchase maybe until next year. So I think that's part of some of it. It's just that people's buying habits are changing because of where the economy may be going. So because they're not buying as many of these high end devices, you know, they're saying, well, we don't need to make as many chips for those high end devices. Yeah. And the good news is if there is a chip glut, that should put some downward pressure on prices. So keep an eye out for evidence of that. Well, switching gears a little bit. I'll do my best Sophia Petrilo voice. Any Golden Girls fans out there will understand what I'm doing. Picture it Sicily where robot fish may clean up microplastics from various waterways all over the world. Dorothy. Yeah. I don't know. The prototype design, this is real, that a woman named Eleanor Macintosh created one, the University of Surrey's public competition, the natural robotics contest, which took place earlier this year in the summer of 2022. The robotics panelists and researchers took Macintosh's design, they liked it, and then said, let's take it a step further. So they made it into a 3D printed prototype. This is a robot fish named Gilbert. Could be named anything, but Gilbert's the name. Who's about the size of a salmon? If you're familiar with salmon, I mean, this is a decent size fish. It's not like a tiny thing. The device has a flooded head unit and a watertight tail unit also has fine mesh between its gills that can filter out, or is at least designed to filter out, tiny two millimeter particles and then keeps those microplastics inside its container as it swims until it gets dumped out at some later date. The team is hoping for autonomy for Gilbert. Right now the robot fish is remote controlled, but he does glow in the dark. This is cool. And yeah, autonomy would make this super effective.  But even remote controlled, you could probably do a good amount of cleanup and then compact that plastic and recycle it and reuse it. Love it. Yeah, it's kind of cool, actually. The only thing, I was trying to be like, hmm, what's bad about this? I mean, if you're confusing actual fish, right, in some sort of waterway, whether it be lake or river or other ways, you know, that could change behavior. But humans have been doing that for years. If we can make this stuff cleaner for the fish that actually live there, I'm all for it. The other one would be cost. Is this cost effective? How much are these things going to end up being to make in the amount that you would need to do actual cleanup?  Yeah, they have come up with stuff like that. There seems like there may be things that will be more cost effective potentially for this. These could be maybe not ocean going, but for like cleanup in lakes and ponds and rivers, feels like they're they could be useful for something like that. Or you don't want to be seeding algae, because then people might not want to swim in the pond, but you can clean up all the microplastics. Yeah, I like it. All right, let's check out the mailbag. So we always like to remind folks that there are lots of ways you can get a hold of us. Obviously feedback at dailytechnewshow.com is one of those ways, but we also have a subreddit and it's really active. So recently on our subreddit, Tom asked some folks what they thought of the amount of our Twitter coverage was as, you know, we're obviously trying to balance keeping everybody in the loop with also not getting sucked into some vortex of too much reporting on one thing and not reporting on tech as a whole, which is what we actually like to do. And it seems like some of you, hopefully all of you have been pretty okay with how we have addressed this so far. Franz games wrote quote, the issue is that no matter the topic, somebody will think it is covered too much, whether it's Twitter, Elon, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. Right now, Twitter is the focus because there are a lot of changes that are coming or possibly coming. It affects a lot of people and people are fearful of what Elon will do. So I think your coverage is dead on. Thank you, friends. Also, Kyle McGuire wrote quote, I think it's fine. This is the hot tech story right now. And while I'm tired of it, that's not on TNS. It's tech news. I'd kind of be more annoyed if y'all didn't cover it. As long as it doesn't become focused on the rumors, which I doubt that would happen with you all, more official tweets from Musk or Twitter blog posts, although who knows if he's serious half the time, he could change his mind at any time. Then I think it's fine. 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What is the fruit of the Holy Spirit? Love is selflessness. We know that because the Bible says greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Joy that is grounded by contentment in God's presence and confidence and hope. Godly joy is eternal because it's based on the eternal. Peace with God, peace within and peace with others is a work of the Spirit. Patience isn't just the ability to wait, but to have the right attitude and mindset while you wait. Kindness is empathy, generosity and civility. Goodness is moral excellence and purity. Faithfulness is consistency and reliability. Gentleness is meekness or humility. Humility isn't self-hatred or the denial that you have value. Humility is to see yourself soberly in reference to who God is. Self-control is mastery of self and cravings to do what you should, even when you don't want to, to not do what you shouldn't, even when you do. What fruit is the Holy Spirit currently working on in you?