little. I think you need to hang around real kids. Well, no, I take that back. But like I like this girl is comfortable giving her father bullets that he dropped. I would say, yeah, kids are going to be more comfortable with bullets than a lot of adults would be because kids will be like, what's this funny metal thing? Yeah, here you go. They might not even.  I'm a kid. I want to help my dad here. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, OK, I'm not too familiar with like, you know, full gun culture being an Australian, but I assume parts in America where gun culture is very common and kids are introduced to the firearms at an early age. Of course, if they're being responsible, the safety aspects and stuff like that, but it might not be strange to them to, you know. Yeah, I like bullet, hold a bullet. It's not unsafe. Also, here you go. At this point in the story, I also isn't not the only one who's gotten training of the two kids. The other girl hasn't been through the red room yet, right? Yeah. So if anything, yeah, that's all in some ways, you could mark that against the film, actually, maybe. I don't know if I would because there's other reasons you could make it so that she's comfortable or I think as a girl, just giving her dad something. Yeah, that's that's kind of the defense we're making is that it's it's kind of just it's the same as if he dropped a screw or a screwdriver or anything just like, this is your thing. We set the bar really low here. But I guess we have.  Here you go. OK. Also, I also, we ignore the sin of he has a gun in the closet, not easily accessible. It isn't already loaded in case he needs it quickly. It's I mean, for spies, that's a bit strange. It's pretty. It's a pretty odd one. I too loved Don McLean back in the day. But how perfect is it that you're not loving this song? Not for what it truly is, a song about Buddy Holly and those two other guys's death, but a happy go lucky piece of America reinforced with flashlight tag, high school football and American flags. What's the win? I don't know. I was just about to ask the same question. What is the win? It filled her. It's about America, America. Yeah, she she doesn't know what's about the death of Buddy Holly and the other guy, but I'm just like, I bet most people don't know that. I would say a lot of people just flat out don't know that. Yeah. So I mean, either.  Like, why would she? I don't know. Yeah, it would be strange. And a song can be about a thing, but that's not why it's loved or recognized as iconic for different reasons. I mean, you're given this. You're given you made a 30 minute video on why this movie has good things in it. So clearly, that's the case. It's kind of like that kind of upbeat song, a pumped up kicks where it sounds like, oh, yeah, pumped up kicks, blah, blah. And it's actually about somebody like killing other people. There's a lot of songs like he. Yeah, I mean, he he liked the choice of song, but it sounded like it was more praising the marrying of the song with the visuals passing by to try and show and instill a sense of Americanism to the viewpoint character being Natasha. And that's what he was liking. Maybe if he said it's the same juxtaposition present in their family dynamic, being that on the surface, it can come across as something very normal, very American, but underneath there's something a little bit more, I don't know, complicated and almost anti-American in a sense, at least them. I don't know, it feels like we were missing more there just than saying she thinks the song is chill and American and fun when it's about other things like, OK. Don't give this a plus. Oh, just thuds, no bounce. It did. Yeah, that's that it did kind of bounce. But also is that was the plus that physics. I guess. Just on this part in the film, you know, establishing that are more super humans at this point. And OK, magic, powers, everything you can have super humans, but super soldiers with how insanely difficult they showed it was to make Steve Rogers to begin with and how pretty done, you know, established they had then made afterwards that how rare he was and and things. So how many super soldiers now existed before Steve Rogers from the ice more and more damage to the world building every time. And yeah, this is getting a plus because it didn't bounce more than it thudded. All right. And I'm not even sure I'm not even sure if that's realistic. A lot of things bounce that you wouldn't necessarily think of. Like, I unfortunately know that bodies bounce if they fall. That thing is super heavy. I'm guessing would I'm I'm fine with believing that how it falls is how it would fall. But I don't I don't know why we're complimenting it. Like you are this cut is this reeks of desperation. Yep. Yeah, this is a minor. Since she controlled by Hydra at this time, you can make good guys, bad guys and bad guys, good guys, wherever you want.  Nineteen ninety one. Great guy. Bucky's a great guy. Love, Bucky. What was the point? What is this? So to recount, he's like, it's kind of cool that shield here can be the bad guys. When if you look at the context, they're stealing state secrets. So not even the bad guys necessarily here. But he's like, yeah, but ignoring that is like the shield can be bad guys because they were controlled by Hydra, like, OK, much like the winter soldier, despite being Bucky, was still doing bad things in ninety five, as if he wasn't introduced as a bad guy in Winter Soldier, which he was.  It's like you should be calling Winter Soldier a villain, probably, just to make sure people understand, I guess. I don't know because Bucky bonds into whatever. That we're trying to recover from all those thoughts and that dig wind.  I have no idea where he pulled that out of. I guess it's the fact that shield can do things that come across as evil because they're Hydra. That's a win. I mean, this may be a noise me about. Sorry, I just want to noise me about the whole shield hydra thing. Is that in, you know, Winter Soldier is established that there were a lot of agents of shield sorry, agents of Hydra that had infiltrated shield, but it wasn't 100 percent. There was a lot of, you know, genuinely good shield American agents trying to do the right thing. And what was implied by that, the further you go back, the less infiltration that Hydra had in the shield. That's what the implication I got. And so to say that every appearance of shield in history is going to be a Hydra plot, just like that's not what I got. It seems like shield was still trying to do good shield things for the most part with only some subversions of Hydra along the way. I mean, Winter Soldier said that Arnhem, like, infected from the moment, like, well, what to end it, right? And he was like high ranking. And so well, the thing is them showing one mission of trying to get information from spies that are leaving America. Again, that doesn't even have to be a Hydra mission. That can be a shield mission. Well, exactly. And the fact that, you know, Nick Fury has had such an active role in shield throughout the past and stuff, and he wasn't corrupted. Well, to be fair, Shad, that wasn't planned. And it wasn't planned even when for the people making the MCU, they didn't plan to make shield Hydra. It was the Russo's that said, hey, wouldn't it be neat if shield was Hydra? It's true. And it's it Winter Soldier itself causes issues.  Yeah, that was that was a retcon. I mean, I thought that was an interesting retcon. But yeah, you can get where you can't you can't judge everything before and after by the fact that at that point, because because Hydra hadn't really, I guess, surfaced until Winter Soldier for the most part. Like maybe they've been sabotaging things along the way. But they all shield is also responsible for getting the vendors together and saving the world. So like clearly, clearly, they clearly been effective up to that point. Yeah, I mean, the Arnim Zola AI was a part of shield from the beginning, it seems like. But so was Peggy Carter, and she was always a good, good person. And so it's hard to believe that Hydra stayed secret for this long with people like Fury and Carter involved at the top. Yeah, but they did. As did the Wakandans, as did the Shang-Chi people, 10 rings, whatever, as is Kang. God, it's all terrible. That's fine, let's move on.  Parenting fail burn. Get. Me, that's a criticism. That would be a sin, not a win. Like parenting fail, Bane. I do. All right. I just don't know how it's a weird. That's fine. It's fine. Please. No more. Is it? Is it fine, though? Well, so I don't know what to make of it, really. Like, what do you what do you guys think that she says? But mom, hey, make strong a wedge. She's been shocked. It's like, I guess it's kind of sad.  No, that's why it seems like it would have been a sin, a flaw that it's, you know, pointing out a contradiction in the message. They're trying to three here. I mean, so funnily enough, I would I would defend the film if I had only seen up to this point and been like, well, isn't that kind of what they're going for? The mum has a lot to learn about that particular piece of advice that maybe there's more to it and maybe the sort of the kids. But later on in the film, we find out that's all that drove Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow through her life, apparently. So like, I guess it holds true to some degree. I don't know.  This this feels like I was more commenting on the whole like this feels like reverse nitpicking. Neat picking you force a good point where it doesn't necessarily fit. Yeah, like everyone, I think, has been saying so. Yeah, I kind of got that. I kind of got the idea that it was very self whatever that point was before it was very self referential. And I get the idea that he's either had comments or previous videos. And so we're probably missing some context or something. Maybe. Technically, a lifetime of imprisonment isn't under coverwork. So the real lesson here, kids, is be specific with your wants and needs. That's a cinema win again. That's trying to. Yeah, that's him trying to do something snarky and funny. That's not really win, but is putting it as a win to be funny, to copy cinema sins. Are we going to a little too many jokes? We need some, you know, wins. I'm good. Yeah. It's like, lol, he said he doesn't want to do undercover work anymore. So we ended up in prison. And it's not technically undercover. So, yeah. You know what this is? You know what? This is exact same problem with cinema wins and cinema sins. They're mixing criticism with rift tracks. They're trying to be funny. They're trying to do like a stand up routine with the movie. And I guess that's fine, but it just really muddles the whole thing. Like, I think so, yeah. Why don't make jokes about the actual good things? Yeah, yeah, because that would require more talent and cleverness. Gosh, Don, gosh, and dedication to the craft. And this is easier to just say, oh, he's eating rich dressing. Like, all right. That is that's not even observational comedy. That's just your eyes work. Check, check, you know, mm hmm. I check, I check. Spoiler, they didn't not touch her. And she did. Just took a while. I'm very confused. What I mean, those aren't even soldiers that Natalie that not not necessarily killed, right? Well, so he's saying that up in the red room. Eventually, she did get them all. So yeah, so he's saying they do eventually touch it.  It just took a while. We have no idea if these people are the same people. Yeah, that's yeah. It would be weird if they were. It would be weird if they were. Yeah. They probably they're probably like retired with a pension or something. Don't remind me how much this movie offers in terms of employee benefits.  They only care about the female ones. And also just like the is he doing a spoiler alert for something that's going to happen in 10 seconds? Is there about to take her? I don't know. Seems kind of silly to me. He just means that she kills them in the finale. And it's like, but they don't even know if he's the same people.  Also, it came off a little creepy when he says spoiler. They do touch her. He's like, what are you trying to imply there? They touch her with their hands. Because well, he wants to make a joke and make contact with her of the yeah, because he's trying to use the words that she used because that's I know. I know. Yeah, like they sedate her and they catch her. It's all creepy. No, I think that's crazy. Might be just you. Might be saying it's possible. Maybe I don't get that wouldn't. I don't know. I guess my mind didn't go there. Not. He did kill them all. Just took a while. What was your name? You know, it's her. They still make it land like it's a huge reveal with you. What? Why? That's a win. Why is that a win? Yeah, I because it's a reveal, apparently. But I don't know. I certainly had gotten it at this point. It lands like it's a huge reveal. But why is that a win? Like, why is this like? Because it's because you know it from the MCU. In fact, it's a little overbearing. It reminds me of when it reminds me of this one critique YMS had for the Lion King remake where it's like right after a scene with Mufasa, we'd already seen him. And right after that scene, we see a scene of Scar and Zazu. And then Mufasa walks in and they have like triumphant music as if this was the the reveal of Mufasa. And I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, why is this? Yeah, why is this fanfare? We just saw him literally 30 seconds ago. Just odd. The return of the king. Exaggerated sound design and slow motion. Yeah, that was it. All right. Free will and the ability to give birth are apparently defects. Yike. He begs. What?   It's not about his potential philosophic stance on what?  Also rags, why is this a win? Because he's bad. It's a win. Like what? He's a win.  That guy is established as being bad. The bare minimum you expect out of the end. He was already bad, though. That's the thing.  That is that he also says, like, kill the defects. He's like, wow, this guy's bad. It's like, wait, where were you this whole time? It's because they weren't good for the program or defective, essentially, like defective products. It's not because they're women and because they can give birth.  Also, it's a tiny little completely insubstantial point, but I've never in my entire life heard somebody said, yike. It's always yike. Yike, yikers, like the Japanese word, Yike. That's the. Yike. This is more of a detail. What? Free will and the ability to give birth are apparently deep. I'm confused. Sorry, that's. I got an idea in your eyes. The ability I put rags, did you put this up before? Rags, I must correct you also. That's yamete, not yike. Yike. No, yike is go, right? Yike. That's his name. He's the protagonist. He has a very big sword. His armor doesn't make sense. There's no way he could actually get it on. He's he's an anime protagonist. He's the best, by the way. He's really, he really is the best. See, I don't know. We heard of Rags is doing this with such proficiency. It sounds like his practice to the. Yeah, I know. I'm just that proficient. That's a testament to my proficiency. This is we were talking earlier about the Dunning Kruger effect. I've made fun of anime so much that I'm on the right side of the graph where I'm an expert at it and I know it. What? Your microphone. What's your opinion of? Yike, Rags, Yike. What's what is your opinion of Rooney Kenshin? I haven't seen Rooney Kenshin. It's so good. He should watch it. You watch like an artistic like level anime that is just beautiful. Need to watch the prequel over his trust and betrayal. It's absolutely awesome. All right. OK. We should do an effect movies on Samurai X trust and betrayal. It's frigging awesome, man. Oh, God, it's it's really just a shame that we're just all booked and we have so much to watch already.  Oh, if only that could have happened. But there's just, I guess we, you know, I oh, we're just so busy. Oh, man. Oh, no, Rags, it's almost like you sound sorry that you can't watch this anime. Thank you. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. So he says remove the defects and funnily enough, I don't even from having seen the film too many times. I'm not even 100 percent sure what he's referring to when he says defects. I think they just weren't a fit for the program. Well, so that's kind of what I'm saying is the I think it's supposed to be unclear exactly what he means specifically. But then he says free will and the ability to give birth are apparently defects. But they're all women, the ones who got accepted. Well, so if he's referring to the sterilization process, that happens way later, like when they are graduating or whatever. So like, why did he show that clip and then say this here like that? And also, he's bad. So of course, he'd have a bad opinion. The most free will of them all in this scene is Natasha. She's making a ruckus. She gets caught.  I don't know why he said this here. And I don't know why it's a win that the bad guy is bad. It's very strange. I mean, it was in the bar low or consistent in that regard. At least. Fex. Yeah, you bad guy. It was at this point that I realized somehow I'd missed Olga Karilenko and all the trailers.  So don't build your actors like this unless you want me and like eight other people to figure out. It was everybody pretty much. I will say I doubt everybody figured out it was Olga. I don't even know how people knew her as an actress. But I didn't know it was going to be a woman. Everybody was talking about how Taskmaster. I didn't. Really? I saw the body of a man. So that's what threw me off. Yeah, I could see how people. I was like, after the reveal, I could see why everyone would think that my my brain was just like, oh, that's just clearly a man because if I could I have eyes. So I wouldn't do that. But I mean, I looked up. Oh, yeah. The main stunt person for Olga was a man. So they got the most of the fight. Of course. Most of the scenes with Taskmaster is they didn't have to do that. They could have had a stunt woman. They could have had a stunt woman. They could have had a almost a female stuntman. But what I'm going to say, when I say, of course, it's it's like you look at Taskmaster, it's like that's a guy. Like that's definitely a guy. Look at how well, and look at especially bizarre because Olga is just she's like a third of the stuntman's size. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, I mean, that's the scene where she takes a head off. It looks like they CGI'd like her head onto the body. Yeah, there was there was something. It was either the head or the body is this film looks very fake. Yeah. And yeah, I wasn't keeping track of the actors at all. So I had no meta knowledge or anything. And when I saw Taskmaster, I was just like, oh, yeah, it's a dude. Just look. Yeah. I mean, but a lot of people are aware of the the coming reveal. Of course, Tony Masters is a guy. Yeah. But again, there's no reason why you couldn't just be Tony Masters with an eye instead of a why and then just have Taskmaster be a woman throughout like just a woman. We're done.  We got nothing, though. Yeah. Well, nothing to care. There are nothing to care. Well, is it? Yeah, this should be a lot. Yeah. Well, let's see if he's going to ding it. Oh, yeah. Do you think it's like a flaw? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's I guess we'll see. But is he going to do it? Oh, he thinks it's a win as it's a win. That should last so. So the win is just that Olga Kurilenko plays Taskmaster then. Is that the win or is the win him figuring out that? Well, I guess the thing is, the concluding statement is don't do this. Ding. Don't do this win. What? Oh, what? Sometimes we get. I wonder if he forgets when he's writing a script that he just he makes a comment and then dings and he doesn't even know it's just it's just become second nature or just dings it after everything he says. I think he really needs like a sign above his his computer screen that says this is a win just to remind himself what he's doing. Is like that that that was just him congratulating himself for figuring out has to be correct to be a win or something good. Like wins are like just the definition of win. Yeah, it's strange to say the word win at this point. I don't know what it means anymore. Just like his entire rule set just like stuck to his monitor. Just like, all right, OK, he gets away with all of this, despite like the inception of the channel and the appreciation this channel gets is in opposition to Cinema Sin. They're like, oh, this is way better because Cinema Sin is like toxic. This is like celebratory, but I'm just like, they're exactly the same.  It's the same except one's positive and one's negative. It's the same except he calls one a win, whereas the other one calls the same thing a sin. I was going to say, that's why I don't really see any difference at all. They're both terrible. It is. Yeah. Oh, don't bill your actors like this unless you want me and like eight other people to figure out your twist before it's even set up. Oh, by saying that eight other people figured it out, that implies that very, very few people figured it out right because that's nine people, which, of course, that's not even the case. A lot of people figured it out. Yeah. So that's where the bow tie logo comes from. There's nothing to do with spiders at all. Why is it a win? Why is that a win? Why did you give it a win? Also, it's not a bow tie logo. It's a black widow logo. They didn't see like, oh, yeah, we're going to give it a bow tie. The logo is a bow tie. It's not the hourglass on the back of a black widow for the front. Yeah, that's actually pretty insane. That's one of the most explicit. He is like, I do not understand the iconography for black widow win. What are not I wise, father? Don't credit this over top young girls being sterilized and turned into assassins kind of makes you want to say really Troy, really Lainey was selling out and getting corporate jobs really the worst thing you could imagine. What was the joke? The joke is, hey, you know how you sold out it could be worse. You could be kidnapped from your family. Why is that? I don't know. That might be good for some people. Maybe I really should have families. It just was like a really weird non sequitur. Like, what is this? Why is this a win? It's a joke. It's a joke and it's a win. I made a joke, guys. And it's his joke. He made a joke and gave the film a win for his joke, his joke, which wasn't even funny. We got it. I've just read the next one. We got to hear this first before I can respond. You know, he's a bad guy. If he's with Clinton, political wins. Come for the obscure references. Stay for the biting political commentary. So he's that wasn't that was a relevant president at the time. That's why he's with Clinton, not because they're saying Clinton specifically is an evil president. Yeah, what does he think if I wanted to say that? Yeah, to clarify, when was when was Clinton's presidency? Ninety-two to ninety. And this is set at ninety-five. So that's why that's why he's that's why he met him. The idea is not because all the exactly he's in power. It's not because they're saying every person who meets with him is evil. That's not the point.  That seems odd. Yeah, it seems kind of kind of intuitive, but didn't want to be Marvel movies reference Obama once. And so Obama's canon. Well, how? How can he be canon if the president they rescued in twenty? I guess he was a one-term president. Yes, yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, and the MCU Obama was a one-term president, which is one more terms than he should have had. But, you know, biting political commentary, well, that's not what she come for. But Wilson and the other guy, the incredible shrinking convict, put some respect on Scott Lang's name. Why is that a win? Oh, my God, I guess. So the same words at this point. So see what I would have done if I was trying to draw a win out of that statement from Ross is I think it's pretty consistent with Ross's character that he doesn't take a lot of these things seriously. He considers them threats in terms of he considers them things that he has to solve problems, right? But Scott Lang is not taken seriously by like everybody. And that's something that he has trouble with. He's like falling asleep when he's introduced in Civil War. And then, of course, like Tony is like, I don't even know who you are.  The idea that he's like the incredible shrinking convict is like, yeah, because they captured him. He probably doesn't take him seriously as much as he does the others. It makes sense that he might refer to him that way instead of Scott Lang. That's the best I got. And I would say that most law enforcement types would wouldn't really take somebody's assumed identity very seriously. They're like, OK, Mr. Anderson, lower your weapon, you're coming with us. Like they're not going to go by, oh, you know, Billy the kid or whatever, they're going to go by their real name or Mr. Kid name, whatever, something like that. Like they wouldn't it granting them a special identity is kind of almost granting them power. So I don't think they would necessarily do that or being inclined to do that. So I'm a Ben Poonslayer. At this point, I'm really confused and also disappointed at the execution of Cinema Wins' very concept. He's supposed to be even pointing out wins. And I thought that would be stretches like it'd be really pushing to try and complement the film, but it's not. He's actually even pointed out flaws and Canada's wins. And it's like a contradicting concept for your channel. What's going on? I mean, you see, here's the thing, Chad. That's really easy. So confused. So really, this is just like cinema things. Here's the thing. Here's another thing. Yeah, cinema things, yeah. Cinema things, cinema stuff. And it dings the thing. Count the thing counter. That was a thing. That was something. Look, Natasha's nose. Ding. And it's not a thing. Instead of ding, it says thing. But like high pitch. You got to commit to the encounter. Aesthetic, the thing. Yeah, thing. You know, somebody said in chat, send my things. There you go. That's even better. Cinema things, not cinema dings. The ding is the sound it makes. Cinema things. That's his whole thing as he points out things. It's great. Like I had a I had a very low expectation of the concept of what he was going to do here. And he is even full and short of that. Just I'm sorry. Yeah, he could be he could be doing better than this. But yeah, the poor guy is desperate. Got no friends. Where are you going to go? I've lived a lot of lives before I met you, Ross. Ooh, breakup burn. Oh, my God. I lived a lot of lives before I met you. That's not a burn. Ross has lived a lot of lives before he met her. He's done a lot of stuff. Yeah, that's not a burn. You have a pretty low bar for old things in general, but also burns. Yeah, he's had a few. Not the first burn he's mentioned. He thinks looking at a stove is a burn. Touch the stove. No, I got a cinema thing. Cinema thing. It's they're punching. It's a thing. It's a thing. Oh, it's just a cinema thing. I'm going to praise this. He's going to praise this. He's totally going to praise this.  That's that's a fun part to it. Is he going to call it an Arya Stark move or something? I think he's just going to say the choreography is good. Apparently, the widows don't mess around. Crazy way to make. Yeah. Do you know this only now? The widows don't mess around.  They don't have a job of it. Attacking someone with a knife when you had a gun the whole time almost is like the sounds like messing around. Yeah, the most direct thing you could do to your opponents. Also, how much does she struggle with this person who just got hit by a car when you're armed and ready to kill? It's just like, OK, it could have been a lot, a lot easier if you just shot her. She was already stunned and injured. Make us immediately. This is Yelena and sympathizing with her. And at the same time, showing how powerful the mind control is. Widows are brutal. I mean, no. Sorry, what's the first part of that? Crazy way to make us immediately feel funny about knowing this is Yelena and sympathizing with her at the same time, showing how powerful the mind control is. Well, that's like two things. That's the same thing. Yeah, well, I feel like those two can't coexist. So if we're supposed to be like, it is Yelena, but she's kind of cruel, but also she was completely mind control.  You just be like, yeah, she was mind controlled and now she's free. Yeah, I think I would be just sympathizing with her, not feel funny. Yeah, I think that's what the point of the scene is, especially when she like, you know, leans over the body and she's almost crying because she's had to kill a friend of his. Like, I don't think there's I don't think that's supposed to be a mixture of feelings. I think we're supposed to be like she was evil or controlled and then non-controlled.  Was that why you said it felt funny? I got nothing. Also, it's kind of a misopportunity that we see her under my control for what, maybe 30 seconds or less. And it doesn't really affect her going forward at all. Not at all. We get none of the gravity of her being under my control for her entire life.  It has been known to be referenced. Yeah, it's like, I've never I've never picked out Closie for sad. But OK. A lot of people would be like, thank God, you've never had to pick out Closie before. I see maybe the compliment I would give is just like the how fast she goes from being what seems to be like a ruthless killer to this caring soul shows the power of the mind control. I don't know about this whole feeling funny thing. Yeah, she would at least be incredibly sheltered, naive and or just completely neurotic borderline, you know, autistic because she wouldn't know how to interact with people. Yeah, her whole life has been training to kill people. Yeah, it was a brutal. By you, I thought we'd move past the mid 90s. What? What? Because she said Roxanne. Oh, things. The reference. That's what people would send cinema sins for was he would just say reference and then dang, and he does the same thing. But it's not even a reference because her name is I think Oksana. Oksana, not Roxanne, right?  It doesn't matter if you're referencing the sting song. It's Roxanne, isn't it? Well, there's some commitment as well. What are the choices you have? Also, that's insanely dangerous to stab yourself in the thigh where all those big juicy blood vessels. She also drags the knife down. It's like, oh, you're doing some cutting there. And again, it can't get over how the fact that she knows where it is. She would never know. And also, I don't know. It's just so I'm reading ahead as the copies of their fighting style mutant rewatching the airport fight from Civil War makes sense. So making sense is good. Just to again, confirm that we've. Oh, are you do you just like it when things make sense? Well, in fairness, it could be a joke. He's like, I understand why he's watching this one or she's watching this one because it's an awesome fight. Well, he's saying also he's got the little semicolon. So they're actually two separate statements. Oh, so he is saying so. He is saying that if it makes sense, that's something. Why wouldn't you watch him say it? Because why wouldn't you just watch all fights? So why would it make sense? Why does it make any more sense to watch the Civil War? It's funny, right? Because what you're saying is if something makes sense, it's good. But why does it make it? Only makes sense in its footage to watch, like, not specifically that it's the fight from Civil War, unless it's the most recent one. And so you've got the that's a more specific compliment, but he didn't do it. Say that he didn't say that. Yeah, that was swooning the legwork on his book. I don't know. I don't know if it was the first the first time I went over this movie, but that's one little pet peeve when people watch the movie. It's like, oh, this footage just was we're watching the the previous movie. It's like, was there a camera there? Was there surveillance footage? Well, this is probably I guess this looks like B-roll footage, though. Let's well, so I'll agree with that. The positioning of the camera doesn't look like it's on a building. It looks like it's floating above them. Super high quality for an airport security camera as well. It's like HD 4K image. Look at that resolution. That framerate. Yeah, framerate is a big thing to dial mute. And yeah, I know she's not a mutant in this area. We're watching the airport fight. Why does it make sense? Also, it was an awesome fight, so we definitely can't blame her. Also, her mask is dope and intimidating.  Dope and intimidating. It's it it it reeks of try hard call of duty battle pass. Urban skeletal. It looks like skater skeletal or something. We just why?  I'm doing an ollie. Yeah, here we go. I'm meeting Tony Hawk, he man. Just on the topic. I don't think they could have adapted Taskmaster because he was basically a skull with a hood in the comics. You could have done a billion different things. You have so much free rein. You have so many. I want to hear examples. Give me examples. Well, like you want me to visually describe what it should look like. Yes, impress me. I can find I can try Google images, some skull skull masks that look better. Let me just go skull. Unfortunately, when you Google Taskmaster, instead of the actual comic one, most of the ones that come up now are the Taskmaster. Well, just Google Taskmaster. Just Taskmaster comic. Yeah, you got Taskmaster here from Spider-Man could have done that. Oh, he's like an actual skeleton, boy. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, he's got like an actual skull face. Kind of like Ray Skull in a way. What's the comic reason for that? Is he just a skull person? No, I don't like him, I guess. I don't know.  Yeah, I'm just asking, is he an actual skull?  No, he's a guy. He is. Well, in that case, yeah, it'll be easy to do that, I would say. Just get a skeleton helmet like with the hood, putting a lot of shade on it, like it'll look it'll probably look pretty good, I'd imagine. Eventually. I think it's just weird when you think about how if this isn't this organization, why did what's with the spooky skull helmet? Like, if this is your organization. Yeah, like, why? How come they pick of green light green lit that thing?   The playstation for Spider-Man version of Taskmaster isn't half bad. Yeah, you can use that. You got options here. Oh, yeah, the PS4 Taskmaster looks way better than what we got in Black Widow. It makes it kind of like a gas mask a little bit like that. Yeah. It's it's not covert at all.  And it makes it so obvious, like, you know, in Budapest, when they're running around and stuff, it's like all the cameras are caught. This guy with a skull suit mask thing, like. It's not it's not at all undercover. But this goes the same for the Black Widows. Also, the big visor is it's not intimidating either, especially with you if you've got the because if it's trying to be a skull, then generally skulls have the two circles in black for the, you know, the hollowed out aspects of the skull, not this big like bicycle or it looks like a ski visor, which is really not intimidating at all. It's like an edgy edgy snowboarder mask or something like that. That's what I kind of I think of extreme sports. When I look at him, I'm like, look at you. Yeah, BMX. Yeah, you know, we've been terrifying. They wouldn't have gone this route. You know, it would have been terrifying. I don't know the backstory of Taskmaster at all. So I don't know what what he is. What it was like supernatural or whatever. But if they I mean, Natasha's sort of camouflage mask, which you can pretend to be other people. That was must have been developed by Dracov's people, right? How terrifying would that be to have an assassin who can mimic anybody's fighting style, who could also cover up their face and become anybody. So literally anybody in the world could be Taskmaster, at least anybody with that build.  I'm just picturing like on the bridge, Blackwood is like dominating by pushing him all the way back one area. And then as he learns more, it like stops in position. And then he starts pushing her back. Is like he's just able to counter everything.  There's the is the Thanos Hulk fight. They did it. They did it in that. It was really quick. And they didn't do it like once for Taskmaster in Taskmaster's movie. Yeah. And you know, retreading old ground.  Yeah. Oh, well, something about always nail the theme home by sticking to the familial relationship. But they're not allowed to be in the movie. Sorry, familial slash relationship terminology. So just mentioning your brother, sister, mother, daughter, whatever, just doing that. You're on the theme like, OK, doesn't even it doesn't even matter how it's said or where it says as long as you say it. OK, which they're pretty common as words go, but it's fine. No, it's it's been a passion to test this conversation makes me think that she and Clint had already had this argument before they talked about it in Avengers, and she lets this thing makes me think of a thing. You will not remember. She didn't care to correct him in the middle of battle. That might also be another reason. I mean, what do you make of that? You're just like, OK, fine. All right. Yeah, like that's what a lot of these are just OK, I guess. Man, this is the best boxed-eye job I've ever seen.  Well, I thought I thought the joke here was it's clearly a wig. It's not the dye that's done that, but then he gives it a win. It's like, oh, OK, well, that's the thing. Things can be losses, but also wins in cinema's world. Like he's literally kind of doing cinema sins now. He doesn't even know what he's doing. Yeah, like the equivalent in cinema since wins sins video would have been like that is a wig. Like it's not, you know, and then ding for sin. Instead, he's turned that into a win here.  How do you put my bed? But I just got my dad. Some obvious nods to Moonraker in here. Jaws and Taskmaster with them watching the film. Jaws and Taskmaster, what exactly is how do you connect Jaws and Taskmaster that much? I don't know. Jaws is holding the same number of lines. He says, what? You have the same number of lines to base up in the sky or well, space and also even he's struggling. That's a stretch. But sorry, on a meta kind of thing, I've always wondered how people would contextualize movies like James Bond in this universe where such crazy, ridiculous stuff is actually real. It's like James Bond would just be the same way. War movies. Yeah, I'd be like a little more historical fiction then. People in chat saying like, well, I guess they're both muscle. It's like, but why is that?  A lot of villains have muscle. That's true. So that's why we see like he's trying to connect Moonraker to this film because it's referenced as her watching it. What is like? Well, you know, Taskmaster and Jaws are both goons. Oh, OK. I mean, in the original, the original first Hitman movie, they have a snapshot of somebody playing the Hitman game. Is that a win? I don't know. It's a reference. Yes, that's that's that's more of a win than this to me. That's a mega win. I wonder if he's going to be like, there are also guns in Moonraker. There are guns in this. You know, spies. Well, yeah, spies. Spies. I love spies. The same. The base up high in the sky, a little space, then also space. You know what? Lazy, too. You didn't get any footage from Moonraker. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Yeah, that's work. But really, I just love that Nat watches spy movies for fun. And based on knowing the lines, she watches them a lot. OK, all right. Stop doing that. You're just saying what happened. All right. You know, he likes it and it's worth a win. But for Natalia to watch James Bond, is this like, you know, professional critique instead of like, yeah, I would have done it differently, Bond. It's such an amateur. You'd expect them to do that. You'd try and have some fun with it. But at the same time. No, we'd expect them to die. Yeah, I would like it if we saw her just, I don't know, if this was built on some analysis, maybe she'd referenced it before in some of the films. And then we see that what would she be doing if she's trying to stay undercover and she's sitting in this thing all alone. It's like, maybe she would watch some Bond movies. That's fine. I think it's surface level. I think it's that she's kind of like a spy. John James Bond spy movie. She's watching James Bond. Oh, look, she's reciting the lines.  I'm sitting there like, I'm not sure spy spies would just like spy movies. I imagine that that you could get the opposite result. Right. I mean, what you think we love Mario. Was I sorry? They'd have comments about it more. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they'd be critical. I've been saying that's how a pipe works.  I tend to dislike most medieval period films. Does it have doctors or nurses?  Yes, I am. I'm a lot of doctors, nurses, firemen, police, like when they watch different things about those things, procedural detectives, watching detective shows, they can get, you know what?  Isn't that right, Fringy? Yeah, that's absolutely true.  They could also just be like, yeah, I mean, I like all films. So I just think it's lame. It's like she would like spy movies because she's a spy. You're like, wow, you really thought about that for five seconds, didn't you? There's there's even a genre on YouTube where you got doctors commenting on like House and other medical shows, right?  But yeah, this could be literally, literally. Oh, Rebecca, you know, what her name is Natasha. She's a spy. Let's have her watch Jim Spond and the conversation. Yep. And man, that's that's about it, too. That's we're right before the film goes insane. So before we continue and detective shows kind of came up and it seems like Fringy, you don't like detective shows. No, no, no, no, no, no, that wasn't that wasn't the point that was raised. It's that you don't need to be a fan of any particular. You don't even need you don't need expertise in any specific field to have more or less of an interest in any thing really, particularly in terms of media. Like just because we're on detective type shows, I just want to say I love the mentalist. I haven't seen that. I've not seen that. I write up until the red John Ark is completed. It's brilliant. It gets a bit off the rails after that. But oh, yeah, Patrick Jane, one of the most charming characters and really enjoyable stuff. Very well. But yeah, let's let's see what he's going to say about. I'm actually looking forward now to the parts where this film goes and say because he's going to have to contrive positives from it. Even though we've been essentially trained to expect jump scares and explosions out of nowhere, this one got me. Obviously, jump, jump scare, jump scare. That's why that's a jump scare.  I mean, that's not I don't criticize anybody for getting jumpscared by stuff like that. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I'm just saying it's lame to compliment it for all the line, Mahler.  Jump scares.  When they go, it's like, yeah, you made me jump. Good job. Oh, that I'd be like, yeah, but this.    Yeah. But amazing that he's going to try and get through this scene. And like, we've gone through a decent chunk of it by simply saying the jumpscare worked on me like, OK. Walk alike. You know, Gregory Lenko walk and taking all the femininity out of her walk makes sense, both as a way to get all the femininity out of her walk. That's definitely what they did. No, no, no, absolutely what they did. They took out the femininity of her walk. I think the theory makes way more sense that they didn't actually plan to make her a girl at this point of filming because this would have been done so long ago and that there's just little bits and bobs around that imply that they might have gone with Tony Masters before bringing Kate Shortland on. There's pieces of information that can match the narrative. I just find it funny that it's a guy. He walks like a guy. They didn't take the fabric and walk away from Olga, why would you even try to take it away? Wrong. Yeah, I mentioned this in my review of Black Widow. I thought the guy who was going to play Taskmaster was the spy friend of Black Widow. Apparently not. Like that would have made more sense as opposed to anything. The black guy. I forgot. The black guy. Wait, what? I got no Hawkeye. No, no, no. The guy that gives him his her the connections and whatnot. Oh, Mason. Yeah. What? Sorry? His name is Mason. If you talk about the one that is like a handler. Yeah, the handler guy. Yeah. Yeah, that was apparently that was a potential when they were making this film that he was going to be revealed that he was Taskmaster the whole time or something like that, which yeah, I could see them doing that, too. That makes more sense than, oh, surprise.  Like, what do you mean? Women walks. He's saying that that happened because they were mind controlled. Like, I'm sorry. Why would you? Why is it you want to make them walk like a guy? What? Why would that be? Like, this is some sort. Yeah, exactly. This is some sort of like clever maneuvering on the part of the hand.  They should fool you by removing Taskmasters feminine walk and also using clearly a man as the suit wearer. They got you. We're giving the mind control to majority women, if not all exclusively women. Make sure they walk like mad, though. What? Like, what are you? Why doesn't matter if they're men or women if they're standing around in the middle of the street with machine guns and goofy outfits. He said it hides her identity. Do you know what else hides it?   I it's like, yeah, walking like a woman wouldn't have revealed who Taskmasters really was. It wasn't like that. That's how you would say, oh, it's you because I just assumed it was a mega black widow, essentially. It'd be so funny if like he does the female walk. But as this body that we're like, oh, my God. Now I know who it is. You're like, who you're like woman or it would be funny if they had the clearly man in this outfit. Walk like a woman. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Try and sell it. Yeah. And then that was a funny idea. It's not only funny.  It's like, oh, we got our identity. What's your information? Woman. Oh, that narrows it down. Now we know exactly who it is.  That doesn't even make fucking... If, sorry, I'm pissed off at this point because he's trying to say it's a good thing. It hides her identity by convincing people it's a guy. It's like, how is it helpful to be, to know that it's a girl or a guy? How does that narrow it down? It's like... It knocks out half the population. What's 3.5 billion people who it can't be? No, no, the difference rags. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't. I don't. So he's saying, now that we know, not knowing it's a girl means it protects her identity, but we know it's a guy. So why did it make any difference? It doesn't achieve anything. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's not a 50% of people or two. It has to be one of the other anyways. Yeah, thank goodness we convinced them it's a guy rather than a girl. We didn't want to narrow down the identity. It's like... It's wrong on multiple levels. It changes nothing, whether it's a guy or a girl, and it doesn't help you at all. Either way, it's a significant portion of people. It's still 50% of the population. This is making me wonder, what would actually change if Taskmaster presented as a female instead of presenting as a guy? And the other thing I could think of would be people's response and reactions. They might maybe take him less seriously if they knew that he was a girl because they think girls... What if you underestimate him? Maybe that's good. Yeah, and that could be a useful thing because if you underestimate him, she could get the upper hand. But this is also the MCU where women, just in the comic book universe, can fight easily as well as guys, and so that really wouldn't mean much in the end either way, so... And then someone just mentioned, isn't it 51% of women on Earth? Whatever, whatever. No, no, that's important because that means it's better to make it that people believe it's a girl. You're more people.  That means you have more...  Make people think it's a woman. Moeller, moeller. But the thing is, if people know that she's a woman, that means they can exclude half the population already and they have less work to sift through. You know, it's still several billion people, but it's less work to sift through to find out who she nearly is. The ultimate... So yeah, checkmate, man. The ultimate thing to do would have been half a man's walk and half a woman's walk because you can't be sure. One leg each? Yes. Yeah, the left half. Yeah, you mess around with the brain so that the left half is female on the right, half is male, and so it's like, yeah. So now you have to check everybody. And Rags, when you say half, are you saying like this one boob on one side and then a pictoral on the other to really...  Oh, yeah. I feel like, if anything, that just narrows down substantially. Kill, confer, very immediately. Search the world for someone who's half male, half female, so they're right down the middle in the line. This business is very... Oh, that's like four people. Yeah, this is a very unique business. Ultimately, his point is, it's great that they removed Taskmaster's female walk so that it protects her identity.  And also, it probably wasn't even... The woman is probably Andy Lister, the main stunt coordinator for Olga's character. Yeah, most of the stuff was done by Andy Lister.    And no one said, like, make sure you don't do it too womanly. I wouldn't want to give it away. God, he's about to ding a win for this. And since she's being mind-controlled... What? Yee. Oh, we're just complimenting the slow-mo? Is that what that was? The cool slow-motion, the block is the... Yup, that's a thing! Yep. Okay, so is that cool? I guess. Yeah, Taskmaster teleported over there. He got the shield out without making a noise when it was embedded into the car. And then she doesn't shoot anywhere else other than the shield, despite being incredibly... And he's thrown into a car. It's so hard it sticks there, but whatever. It makes her look pretty dumb. She's, like, just continually shooting into the shield. And you'd guess after the first shot that it deflects, you'd get the idea that it's kind of useless. But no, she just keeps shooting in the same spot and somewhere else. Completely gave up an advantage of not being behind somebody. Like, she literally did, you know, nothing personal kid and teleported behind Black Widow and then did nothing with it. Just ended up, you know, blocking some bullets. But she had several seconds there where she could have, you know, sneak-striked her without any opportunity of noticing her. But movies. And he's probably about to compliment the one part of the fighting in all this movie that I think a lot of us actually liked.  But you're not going to say that. There it is. No better way to cement what Taskmaster's power is than to have her... That never happens again! That's literally it. This is the only thing that he does in the entire movie. This exists only to remind you that it was the only time it was used. Well, I get the impression he's going to be like, yeah, but remember, he had Black Panther claws and then there was the part where he did, like, the Bucky Knife thing. Not the same. That doesn't mean anything. He just had those, but it didn't amount to anything. Of course, it's not being used in a creative way against other people. It's just an aesthetic. Yeah, basically. It's just like, ooh, guys, remember, this is Taskmaster because you forgot. It's so lame. We never get any kind of... The one I wanted was real-time learning. And this is the closest we got because she used it on him and then he managed to reflect it back, which could be because he already knew or it could be because he'd learned in that moment. But man, none of that is in the movie. And he's like, this cements it, right? Uh-huh. Cements is a funny way to say it. I mean, it is cements in that it dries off and then now it's not malleable. Well, generally, when you say this cements that, then it is not the first example of it happening. It is the final very... It's the nail in the coffin, essentially, to coin another phrase. This is what really drives the point home to where it is undisputable. This cements the fact that it's like, when you say it's written in stone. Yeah, it is the end. It is the finale, in a sense. You've done it. The only thing you can say as a reference before this one, excluding third-party stuff, is him watching the screens. But that's not really anything, is it? They could have done that in post after the movie was done because they were like, oh, fuck, that's right. This is supposed to be Taskmaster. Quick, add a scene where she's looking at people doing stuff. Does she use it in the film? No, but yeah. Also, we'll be getting to the visor stuff soon. I can't wait. Immediately steal signature move. In the middle of that reforming it. Also love that as Taskmaster's HUD is telling her to go after the vials, all the other data concerning that fades away. Right, there it is. There it is. That's bad. That's bad. The part of Taskmaster, you should delete the fret before going after the main objective, I'm just saying. And this is a weird one to be specific about the criticism, right? Because a lot of people even on Twitter were like, isn't he just saying that it's good that the visor would fade the information away in accordance with the visor's goal to say she's not important, the vials are. Do you understand, like, very specifically?  Well, so that would be my counter.  Why would it ever do that? It's like, this is a threat. Don't worry about it, though. I will use the example that I've given before, which is in a video game. Imagine you're playing a video game, right? Imagine every time your objective changes or alters in some way, you lose the rest of your HUD. Yeah, that sounds great. I love no longer knowing what direction I'm supposed to be going or my compass or how many rounds I have left on my magazine and what my equipment is and anything. Thanks.  It's trying to give you, it's omitting information that could protect you. It's like, you don't want to know about the bold-aheading right for you, actually. I love this still, too. It's almost like that jealous girlfriend meme where it's like, you know, Natasha is looking at the vials. Yeah. I wonder sometimes when he's writing this shit, that he'd be like, isn't it great that it fades away in accordance with the target being the vials?  And he's just like, hmm. Well, I gotta put some points on the score.  Well, after the vials, all the other data concerning that fades away.  Like, I don't know. I feel like she's still relevant because she's like within striking distance of you. She could headbutt you at this range. I feel like you should still care. Yeah, she should stop you from getting the objective. She does do that several times. Yeah, I don't know who she is. Complimenting the HUD is dumb. Like, the HUD actually raises so many questions. And, by the way, he's saying she's good. Of course, she's good with a shield. She just uses it like a normal person, but she holds it up. Good with a shield. Yeah, I just... That's a shield. I know what a shield is. That is how you use a shield with basic competency.  Wait, is that a reference because she works at S-H-I-E-L-D, that she's good with the shield? I figured he... Well, so this is, again, the laziness. He should have shown times where she may have... She must... She's picked up Capshield before, right, and used it. I feel like that might have happened at some point. I'm trying to remember. She did in Age of Ultron, yeah. There you go. And you put that clip in there. And that would be fun if she actually used the shield in any kind of way that wasn't just I'm blocking things. See, like... Of course, she'd be good with a shield. Like what? Or, I mean, if you want to add comedy, have her use the shield defensively for a bit. And then she, like, quips about, oh, now I see why Steve carries this thing around everywhere. Something like that, you know? I'd still be critical of that because she spent so much time with him and the shield that it would be weird for her to conclude that now. Yeah, I guess. Has she used it to this extent? Maybe this is the most she's ever used it. But wouldn't that still not work that well with seeing what he does with it? Like, throwing it into metal cars? Maybe she should be asking how to... No, no, no, no, that's not a cap. Like noticing how useful it is for him. Yeah. Maybe, but I still... At least with her using it, there's some difference there. Makes sense. Now, she should be dead. Wait, what? Or seriously injured. I don't get it. He just said skadoosh. Skadoosh. Oh, right. I don't get it. Is that like a... Well, Kung Fu Panda post probably says... Yeah, I guess he's just saying it's cool. Yeah, that's cool. She should be like seriously injured. And also, how is he that strong? Sorry, how is Taskmaster that strong? And Black Widow, I guess, for surviving. And that, yeah, like this, this is like four problems in a matter of three seconds. But skadoosh, rags. Skadoosh. I don't even know that, rags. It's a win, because he said so. Clearly. Cinema things. It's a thing. And those people highlighted it's like, I'm assuming skadoosh isn't strictly Kung Fu Panda or is it? I only know it from him. Yeah, I only know it from Kung Fu Panda. In that case, yeah, some people say like, how are you referencing Kung Fu Panda here at all? And it's like... I guess it's because he says skadoosh when he beats the person, but he's the protagonist. Yeah. When he defeats the bad guys. Also, how broad, you know? Like, when you defeat someone, you can say skadoosh, like, okay. Well, I just want to say, I really like the first Kung Fu Panda. Yeah, I think it's great. I remember liking it a whole month. I really like Kung Fu Panda. When he's doing his training, and he becomes like, he's doing his training, and it's unconventional. You got to train him through food, but then by the end of it, he doesn't even want the food anymore. Look at his growth. It's a good old-fashioned, good, fun, simple story. With recent news being what it is, maybe there could be a Kung Fu Koopa in Jack Black could reprise, semi-reprises role as Bowser needing to be trained in Kung Fu in order to be Mario and Luigi. Huh? Oh, just make up a character. Waluigi. No, we can find a character. Waluigi. Yeah. Yeah. Waluifu or something. Waluifu. Waluifu. What's going to happen? Master Waluifu. That's so funny. Yeah, I'd watch it. All right, we got paused on the next one here, and it says, make sense that a brainwashed, traumatized human weapon would fall for the oldest trick in the book, meaning that she took the vials out. The oldest trick in the book? Wait, the oldest trick in the book is removing vials from a case so that it... I don't think that's the oldest trick in the book. Also, how did she escape there?  Yeah, I'll go get her. She's within a stone's throw for me right now. I'd better go. And she's injured. Yeah, and she's clearly very injured. And I've got a visor that scans.  It probably has thermal vision, right? Probably. It does everything else. It can threat-assess people by percentages on the fly just by looking at them. Yeah, it's pretty top tier. It's just, this seems so post-talk. Had this not tricked Taskmaster, he'd be like, it makes sense that a well-trained assassin wouldn't fall for a trick like that. But instead, it's like, no, brainwashed traumatized human would fall for a trick like this because they did. So, you know, that's that. I mean, it's kind of also weird to think that this... If you're banking on the naivety of a brainwashed human, but also this person apparently studies all of their opponents to extreme detail with surveillance footage. You think they would kind of be in the head of their opponents? They'd know the kind of tricks that now would be up to? So, and as we saw, 80% Natalie... 80% threat Natalie would not be a problem. 100% attention focused on the vials. They would be able... They would be very much focused on what happened with those vials and then not just give up on the fight once they're outside of combat range. She grabs the vials as he's jumping toward her with the sword. Like, so he should have detected it or she should have... Fuckin', whenever I say he or she, just assume the correct one. I keep getting distracted because I just think that they always associate he with the Taskmaster in this scene. Aim, yeah.  Well, yeah, I mean, literally it is Andy Lister that we're referring to. That's it, exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's really... It's kind of unfair for us because it's literally a man up until the point that he or she takes off the helmet. And then when we put back on, it's back to beating man. Well... What, John Woo's in Budapest? Oh, because of the dove. Reference. We skipped the whole how does she even know how to be here with her pointing guns at each other, which doesn't make any sense. And why are they not... He might go back to it in a moment, you know? You might just go... I don't think cinema wins is extensive. It goes through the whole thing. Yeah. Thuroness. When I hear cinema wins, I think thoroughness and accuracy and consistency. Those three things.  No, she just messed up.  This is so weird! So weird! That's not...  I was about to say, I would have interpreted it that way. I'd have been like, ooh, they kept that in, I guess, where she slipped over the thing. Yeah. Asserting her dominance by having someone else slip. What if Elena just didn't move? That would have been awkward. Yeah, I mean, dominance would be her backing down or something. She's just... She's still pointing the gun at her. I've never known... I've never known dominance to be asserted by hoping your opponent slips on something.  And when he says assert dominance, it just makes me picture, like, the canine way of asserting dominance like she starts peeing on everything. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. What about dry-humping someone to assert dominance? Because dogs do that as well, even. I mean, if these two want to dry-hump, you know... Someone's like, g'delp that. What would I say? It's dominance by having her opponent fall over. You see, when, I don't know, what's the name of the guy that you play in Dark Souls? Like, when Dark Souls is fighting Gwyn, Lord of Cinder, he makes him stumble a bit when he jumps to swing a sword at you. Thereby asserting dominance with something. You can find a way to make it work. You just have to change the names. John Souls. John Souls. No one will understand that when that comes out, but it's fine because no one ever understands g'delp, and that's the beauty of it. I like how cinema wins... I just like that how cinema wins is devolved into praising outtakes now. It is kind of hilarious to watch someone desperately... That's what I mean. He's not even particularly good at this, like, clearly, because there are things you can compliment in Black Widow. Oh, no, he's not good at all. By forcing Elaine to walk backwards and stumble a little, I guess this is why she's the Avenger. That's the thing Avengers do. She's not allowed to be in the movie. She's an Avenger because she makes people trip over when they walk back. That's her super power. She makes people trip. That's what makes her a bit. Make them stumble at just the right time. Spell disaster. Just great, great content here. Alright, Elaine ain't no star.  Why are you coming? Why are you coming? That is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in any movie. Neither of them have the finger on the trigger, too. Yeah, they don't really win. But look at that at your liner. Her thumb is like up way up. Yeah, we're coming from that. On the slide, yeah. Wait, we have to clarify where Rags first because this came up in the stream. Is that good or bad? I mean, it's probably totally neutral. I don't see it much, but I guess you could have really wanted to. Is it better than just having your finger against the little thing protecting the trigger? Well, generally, when I have mine in here, so yeah, mine is, when I hold mine, my left thumb is underneath my right, I'm right-handed. So my left thumb is underneath my right thumb because that's going to be where the mag release is anyway. So my left thumb's on the mag release. But also it doesn't cover as much, because if you have your, like, you can't really, it's really awkward for me to mirror this where you have your thumb just sort of sticking out. You have your peripheral vision when you're looking down the sights to have your thumb sticking up like that, so that's weird. I'm curious because instinctually, if I'm holding anything like a gun, so do you shoot right-handed, Rags? Yeah, I'm right-handed. So the left is the same for me, even though I'm left-handed for writing. The right hand's holding the gun and the left hand wraps around the bottom. Oh, I didn't know you shot. Oh, you've been right-handed, okay. So that's what feels natural to me. The thumb of the right hand holding the gun, if that makes any sense? Yes. Yeah. Are you left or right-eye dominant? Left or right? How do I know? How does one know what they're eye dominant? Yeah. I think there's a way to test that, isn't there? Yeah, there is. So put your hands together. Like your fingers are laced, put your hands together, right? Like praying? Yeah, kind of like you're praying, yeah. Okay. Which of your thumbs is on top? The left. You're left-eye dominant. But that's one test. What does that mean, though? Oh, it means that if you're aiming down this, it's your, like, you know how that's generally... Oh, like if you aim down the sides, what eye do you close and which eye do you keep open? Yeah, like which one do you, will you generally use? It's not always a 100% thing, but people are generally in the same way they're right and left-handed. They're going to be left or right-eye dominant. There's a few tests you could do. Is there a correlation between left-handedness because I'm right-handed? I think it's opposites, but I'm not certain. I was going to say, if I'm shooting with right or left, I'd assume I just lock the eye related to the arm. I would assume so too, right? So if I've got the gun and I put it up against my right arm, I'd close my left eye, right? Because my right eye would be closer to the scope, presumably? It depends.  But it's...  A lot of it's just sort of what your body naturally does. There's no... There's nothing big about it. There's a few other little tests you could do involving putting your thumb up over something in the distance and then keeping one eye open and the other closed to see which eye keeps the thumb over the thing. As long as it's just like, is there any reason they would have the fingers on the trigger? So necessarily, they're not willing to shoot here. Do you want to shoot? They're acting like they're willing to shoot?  It's bizarre. I think I say in the video, it's like, I don't know what they're trying to do here. I don't understand. She clearly almost kills Natasha several times in this fight, but she's not willing to put a finger on the trigger. Well, if she didn't dodge quickly enough, that would have been it. You know, smashing a plate on someone's head, it's not something you just go, lol, I'd be like, careful. I just... In the part that we just saw where they reach for each other's guns and then disarm and switch, the amount of time it takes for them to reach the other gun, like we're watching it in real time, either one had plenty of time to pull the other gun back. They were just basically waiting there for the other to grab it. Now letting it, then it's just clearly an obvious choreograph move that they were doing on purpose for the choreography that would not play out naturally at all. It takes an incredible amount of cooperation from both parties to do that, where you're both giving up your gun to the other person while taking theirs and putting it in your hand. It's like the driving scene. It takes an insane cooperation to have one person control the brakes, one person control the wheel, and to do the perfect spin. Yet they do it. And they do it without cooperation. They both just do it. It's like, okay. There were some people at the office I worked at who got actual gun disarmament training in case there was like an active shooter.  You duck and push the gun up. So your primary goal is to move their line of gunfire away from you before you even attempt to grab the gun.  Your point is to move the line of fire away from your face and your body. You've got to get it pointed away from you. It's the most important thing. So trying to grab a gun while you have one of your hands on your gun and while letting go, it looks cool for the movie, but it doesn't make a whole lot of practical sense, I don't think. Someone said, how dangerous is smashing a ceramic plate on someone's head? That's kind of my point. You've got to be careful.  Yeah, especially because it creates a lot of, it takes a lot of. This feels to me like the thing where people, like if you smash someone over the head with a bottle, probably not going to shatter.  That's the way to knock people out in movies usually. That is very dangerous hitting someone with a bottle. Isn't it more likely to break if it's full or something like that? I'm not sure, but all I know is that smashing it and then it just shattering into pieces, they have shatter glasses that they use in film streaks that happen. Yeah, in real life. There's a reason why when people do go ahead. Sorry to cut in. In the fight scene on my short film, we got to do that. We use the shatter glass and Dale grabs a fake bottle and smashes one of the stuntmen in the head with it and just bursts into pieces. So yeah, I got to experience that first-hand life. That probably would have been really fun. Yeah. Just fun reference in that Batwoman episode where she goes to knock all the glasses off the table, but because they're made of that like sugar glass or whatever, they all smash before she's even thrown them anywhere. When she brushes them off, they start to shatter. You could just use real glass for that. And if they didn't break on the ground, they would have been in a glass breaking sound effect if you needed. So the thing is you could use real glasses, but glass is dangerous. Yeah, you get contractual issues, safety precautions stuff. There's a reason why they use shatter glass as well when people jump through windows because the reality is if you jump through a window. Oh yeah, for that. It's probably not going to break, but if it does break, you're in a lot of trouble when you land on the ground. The thing that I assume happens if you were to do that, like this contract here, this safety restriction here, we can't do a real bottle. Look, actor, are you okay with pushing a bottle onto the floor? And they're like, yeah. And then some other agent is like, you can't do that. Well, I think, yeah, like some would be a cast like, well, I know. Quiet, I'm a pioneer. We're doing this. I guess the thing is, is there's a lot of stuff that just happens on set where it's like, there is the need to be somewhat expedient because the job, it's very expensive. Yeah. Also, I've heard certain actors do stunts before asking anyone just so they can get it. I think Tom Cruise did it in one of the Mission Impossible films. Yeah. So I know that that's the story for that was the Burj Khalifa thing that they did in Mission Impossible 4. The insurance company would not let him do it. So he fired them and then got another one to do it. And now he seemingly could just do it because apparently the stunts in the upcoming one are, again, hyper-dangerous and that he had to learn several new skills to do it. I'll be watching that. I'll be watching that eagerly, like even if the story ends up not being great, which hopefully won't be the case. Same director behind the last two. So fingers crossed, but the stunts are always really fun. Yeah. I like him a lot. I like watching him do stuff. I think it's really cool that he's this dedicated to doing these stunts. I think he spent thousands of hours learning how to fly helicopters to do the stunts in the last one. He actually hung on to the side of a plane for like five. And yeah, he did claim on the Burj Khalifa. He actually did that. It's really cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And he is an old man. I always think he's younger than he is. I always think he's younger than he is. He's nearly 60, I think. He's getting up there. Not height-wise, he's short, but he's age-wise. He's 59. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's still an extremely talented. He's 5'7. Tom Cruise is 5'7. Yes, right. Yes, Tom Cruise is short. If he doesn't let that stop him. Clearly. He's compensating for his height. That's why he does so much. He's a fun action movie character guy. Absolutely, yeah. I'd say he's probably the most dedicated action performer out there right now. In terms of like actors who don't like mainstream Hollywood, probably yes. When it comes to stunts specifically, but then again, you've got like Jackie Chan was equivalent in terms of and admittedly he did a lot of stuff when it was far less I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of people in Jackie Chan, he has done insane stuff. Like, you know how we're talking about fake glass, he has jumped through real glass and cut his arm open and everything. The guy is crazy. I think the main one for him was, I can't remember the movie exactly, but he's like on the sick floor of a shopping center, dives onto the pole and slides down it and falls through actual glass. And then there was one where I think he just landed on his head. As it's sliding down, he is falling into like Christmas lights and is getting electrocuted as he's busting through the lights several layers and rows of them and then he falls into glass as well and it's like after the stunt he's falling in and out of consciousness. It's nuts. And it was police story the one that he did. Police story, that's right. He did a lot of those. Jackie Chan came from like, you know, hardcore actual stunt work over in Asia but you don't see him do that kind of stuff anymore. He's like 67 now. As far as like a Hollywood theatrical actor or like cinema actor type who doesn't need to do any of that stuff I'd say you can't really find somebody who's done quite as many practical stunts as Tom Cruise does because he didn't even come from the stunt aspect. He came from the you know I wouldn't know for sure, but he's definitely to be celebrated, he's doing some great stuff. Yeah, for sure. It's really cool when you have like your actors also being able to do these it's just the benefits that you get from a filmmaking perspective where you don't need to hide their face though admittedly nowadays you can like CGI faces on top of other ones so it's not even but even then I imagine it still influences the sort of direction in the way that you make it but if the guy is able to do it it's like I always forget his name he's the lead in the raid cause he's fight guy so when he gets utilized in fights it's really cool cause you're going to see his face all the time you can do those long shots where it's like 30 seconds of uninterrupted action probably not that long but you know along those lines I just want to say that was a really cool set of tangents we went from well are these people trying to kill each other the plate on the head how damaging is that and then bottles to the head how damaging is that and then what sugar glass versus regular glasses and then doing it because of restrictions or not and then Tom Cruise would often try and get past those restrictions and then how good Jackie Chan and Tom Cruise are both in their stunts that's how that all went the reason why we got there was because we saw a scene where two characters were pointing guns at each other and then switched their guns and pointed them back at them just a failure like you're trying to achieve any of those things in terms of coolness somewhat back on top of it though yeah I can understand some cool stuff yeah just a little plug for the matrix they actually had a Hong Kong choreographer choreographer choreographer I guess there it is to train all of the actors Keanu Reeves, Carrie Ann Maas Hugo Weaving Morpheus, I forget his name right now Lawrence Fisherman so they were all just film school kind of wimpy actors but they actually got to learn how to fight and really do those scenes and I think that's part of the reason why the matrix was so good because you actually got to see up close non-stunt actor, non-body double fights where they had the whole body in time and you saw their face they could have long takes as well with a lot of different portions they have long takes in the matrix I mean go around the matrix one because matrix two and three just had CG well yeah it's okay there's probably still plenty of examples of good shit for the fights in two and three but holy fuck everyone remembers the CGI yeah he's got the metal pole it's just it's so floaty it's kind of the problem with a lot of I think a lot of the time what portrays CGI is not actually the fidelity it's like how it moves it's just something that can sometimes be unnatural it's like oh it's like really light it's the bounciness and the animation like you'll notice in a lot of spider-man movies you'll see like somebody leap and then kind of bounce when they hit they hit a wall and leap again and bounce is that certain sort of animation and tweening it looks so fake to me and I hate it it's funny because in animation bounce and overreach and stuff like that is really great for enhancing the movement but when you're watching something that's realistic it's like gotta try and make it look like something that's real I was gonna say they have floaty benefits for the matrix because the fighting is floaty throughout yeah I think it depends on what you're leaning into for the story and the matrix if they're manipulating this world the physics are in their control to a degree and of course why it work and it's interesting CG is not bad CG is a really good thing when you use it I've been researching the matrix for like the last year so I'm pretty familiar with how they did a lot of those effects and there's actually a ton of CG in the original matrix you just don't notice at all whenever you see one of those like jump up spin around kind of slow motion things that's done practically and with CG what they did is they basically shot it with a green screen they shot with I think about 30 to 40 different cameras placed around the action so they could actually snap like a series of still photos one after the other to get each frame rotating around them in super slow motion and then what they did is they used that footage they used computer interpolation to basically fade between each of those frames to get a smooth effect and then they had used computers and photography to map the entire room that they were in to basically make a panoramic CG 3D version of that room so the background is completely CG but you don't really notice because you're focused on the actual real photography of the people in the middle that are rotating around the trinity kick or Neo dodging the bullets etc so it was a great combination of practical and CG and it's done in a well where it's fairly seamless it still looks great even 22 years later CG is great when you use it when you use it right but when you make an entire scene full of video game characters the quintessential example is Jurassic Park usually the CG married with the physical effects when the t-rex first breaks out it will never be awesome and it was so brilliant my most impressive my favorite shot of that is the shot where you see the animatronic t-rex on the right side of the car and then you see the CG t-rex walk into the rain in the front of the car and they split the footage using the bar from the front bar from the Jeep the right side is real footage the front is CG and then they knew that it wouldn't quite look good because it was like 1993 or something like that so they added rain for not only dramatic effect but also to disguise the early 90s CG and it still looks great you don't notice that the front particularly the part where we're like worried at the potential and then especially the sound effects the wires all breaking off by one it's like ohhh Spielberg is actually kind of insane when it comes to sound engineering he'll get sometimes 36 layers of sound layers basically for any shot he actually sent people down to record birds of that specific region of where the Jurassic Park site was supposed to be like native environments of that area to add then just for atmosphere and stuff like that so he's like really really well known for being particularly pedantic with sound engineering and sound design so yeah he's he was a classic classic director there for a while he was really on top of his game then he made ready play at one well he made like 20% of it yeah Spielberg's made incredible movies he's also probably made some shit ones yeah for sure anyway do you guys want to talk more about Black Wid let's no I'm not even sure what the compliment is here he said Yelena's no slouch no he's saying oh she can she can fight like Natasha, hooray that's basically it she can take a gun off somebody who basically provides it they aim at each other and give the gun to each other Yelena ain't no slouch stay down that scream if there's ever been a version of loving sisters I hate this bullshit youtuber fake laugh that people do shut the fuck up for hitting me really hard in the face so that was a win by the way hit me really hard in the face when she flinks her so hard into that door that it broke the glass and may well have given her a permanent spinal injury I think he was referring to the plate when he said that I think he was referring to the plate I just find it amusing that it syncs up on that injury it's like oh yeah sisterly love right there just reminding yeah this fight is super technical and all the moves feel deliberate this is one of the worst all the combat in this movie is crap and this is the kind of shit where we veer away from I like it when he's like this fight is super technical and I'm like what do you mean by that all the moves are deliberate they're quick I imagine he's gonna have more to say but also when you say super technical you're referring to something there that's provable right like we can look at the actual fight and prove whether or not your saying is true instead because I know you'd be like that's just my opinion I think it's super technical but if you don't know what technical is that's something worth talking about exactly wait but it's also a great way each of them is and how brutal they're willing to be with the constant smashing in I don't believe that though that's the thing I don't believe that they can throw each other around like this it's not right it's twofold I don't believe it but secondly why is this a positive when you consider who they are Yelena should not be doing any of this this is completely this is not as very family oriented what the hell is she doing what are you both doing it's trying to kill each other because we need a fight we need a fight scene we need a fight for the trailers and if we didn't have a fight scene then his commentary is look how willing they are to be brutal like oh okay I don't even know that was ever in question anyway they're both fucking long-term assassins they've done plenty in their lives that are way worse than this we've literally seen them both do way worse than this I don't understand why there's a look at the proof of how the brutality runs through here oof back so this are all in person decades you just made last time though that was like the last point and you just doubled it that said it in a different way feels like there's decades of pent up or h3 no it doesn't we didn't even know what was happening here pent up rage though yeah what the fuck is the pent up rage to be angry about yeah and also I guess you could say she's angry at the recent events but that's not decades you know the taskmaster shit with the vials but like why would you that's not pent up rage over decades you know if she was like chemically under mind control would she have all this rage for her sister that tried to save her for all these years she actually considered her to be pretty cool she didn't try to save her for all the years that's the point I mean yeah she didn't try to but she did try to save her initially and then they got separated yeah and then she didn't do it I'm on her side for this I'm with Yelena but that's the fault of the writers that Natasha didn't do anything for her in her all those years well Yelena didn't exist until true she couldn't do anything for her in the news America bringing down the red room that's a really good point I wonder what other kind of villain stuff went on while the avengers were distracted by Tony Stark's daddy issue what okay so first of all Tony's daddy issues way to just totally devalue the conflict of war the civil war conflict is Tony Stark's daddy issues daddy issues wow is parents get stuff happening that's what civil war is in his mind it's not about the whole world having a perspective on everything that's been happening with the avengers and all of the collateral damage his parents get annihilated brutally by his best friends best friends daddy issues I don't even know how he drew this from the dialogue by the way what she's saying in this scene is that she was expecting Captain America to have taken down the red room by now because she's given the vials to Nat I don't know how much that doesn't make any fucking sense at all but that wasn't got to do with this that's a good point I wonder what are the kind of villain stuff went on where the avengers were distracted what are you talking about but you know Malera the Chitari invasion is just Tony Stark's daddy issues um yeah okay again I really don't know why he played that clip to then support this point expecting to see Captain America bringing down the red room that's a really good point I wonder what other kind of villain stuff went on while the avengers were distracted by Tony Stark's daddy issues okay yeah none of that made sense yeah and this kids is why you should never try to rewire your house without electrical training big fan of oh is that a win is that funny but what the win could have been is that it's neat that Yelena has this place rigged in case it was ever discovered I have other criticisms to make of the scene as you would have seen in the video and that only works in a very specific isolation because to be fair she's not really prepared at all um but instead he was like don't rewire a house because it could be bombs he he that's a thing and yeah look how much we've skipped by the way we're already here now yeah he skipped the whole running around scenes yeah the way it makes you feel off balance while showing us how high up they are no I mean okay like to be fair to the guy that could be like oh this shot is really nifty I think that's what he was trying to say oh my god that's a more that's a better description that's a more like oh I get the logic behind that maybe you're right I'm just not impressed by a camera the top of a building shows the view down to show how big the tall the building is I'm just like congratulations that is the most basic thing you could have done yeah but I get that more than oh the light makes explosions that's a win like that explanation of oh the off balance fine so it's not it's not a negative being dressed up as a positive it is as far as I'm concerned it's almost a neutral but at least I understand the logic okay I get it I get why you think that would be a good scene that makes more sense to me than an attempt at humor that fails sure yeah it's like praising a dolly shot like oh this camera it's on a crane more than likely it was really not a dolly and I think it's nifty yeah that's basically the comment I understand that more than everything else so far that this guy's been doing like oh my god another firework what the fuck's going on did we achieve victory in some way ah did the virus die did we are we in control of the UK now whales exclusively oh my god what the fuck's going on out there is it like whale? um I uh so anyway whale's holidays molla get down but I was going to say you have to admit all the stupid shit in this scene too the moment you realize why are you jumping onto a pole unleashing it and hoping to crash it into a building what the fuck is your goal what are you doing what are you doing what are you doing what's wrong with you well that's more commitment to a cause actually no what it is is a showcase of how little drakoff cares about the widows they're very no that's stupid that is really stupid no no also that's not the scene you should make the comment on the scene that you should make this comment on was when drakoff just pulls the kill switch what is the kill switch this is just the widows so the reason that you give soldiers things like good rifles body armor extensive training functional equipment is not necessarily because they will change the course of a war often times they have not really anything to say with how the world will turn out it's because each one of those soldiers from your country is an investment you have money and time and political ramifications and getting new recruits in the future the idea that you just have especially we're talking about drakoff with all of the mind control and the bullshit about keeping a floating fortress each one of those black widows is valuable it represents a huge investment in time and technology and the expenditure of training the idea that you would just waste one like this is ridiculous and he's tangled his wires he's like drakoff doesn't care about the lives of these women so look what he's willing to do so he doesn't care about them on a personal level like them as people he does care about them as resources do you know long he's packed into these people how much time and money are in these fucking people there's no way that he wants them to just kill themselves 10 to 20 years per person that's an incredible investment the only time that might be the case is if they are captured and secrets could be spilled from them or whatever but he's still dodgy on that cause he's an idiot in this fucking movie but I thought for a second there cause I was listening to this without having read ahead that he was gonna say wow that's real commitment to the cause oh actually no that's kinda dumb I thought he was gonna say that but instead he says no this is evidence of how drakoff doesn't care for the widows they are very expendable to the point where he'll just have them fucking kill themselves yeah there's a difference between being expendable and being wasted wait is the scene does drakoff do anything in the scene well so he's implying the black widow software would have them value stabbing the hand of their target more than their lives cause that's a little case but that's stupid no I just think the widow is stupid not necessarily that the training drakoff gave them but he's right in that their software makes them do that so whoever designed the software that controls them is to blame for this not them I don't know I think they're brainwashed to obey orders but in terms of how they fight it's a perfectly individual choice no I completely disagree I think that her choice to attack nat is as a result of a brainwashing not her choice as a person no but I don't think drakoff is controlling her like he's behind a computer no he's not on a joystick it's like they're following computer programming yeah they're brainwashed you know what would have been really creepy is if at one point when they basically have one of these brainwashed widows surrounded they try to reason with her and then she's like oh my god I can't believe I did this so and so and feigns being turned and then tries to stab Yelena or Natasha in the back or something like that just to show how deeply under drakoff's thumb that they are that would be an interesting twist to show okay we absolutely need to use this chemical thing on them we can't trust them they're completely dominated and they cannot help themselves until they're free of this control just to make it even that much more sinister they get that across with the whole they can make them stop breathing at will at least the pigs yeah all I'm suggesting here is that the software has it so the priorities like your health will never come above any damage to a target which is stupid like if you could chop their toenail off that's worth you dying it's like what why yeah there are very specific circumstances where you'd want to trade one for one but this isn't even that trade this is I'm gonna stab your wrist at the range of an entire black widow yeah she's trying to save you take the help and then as soon as you're up there stab her when it would be it would have been way cooler to have it be the you know they save her without and then she's like you know what I totally I was or she's like help me help me you know and then when they save her she stabs them like this this protocol for this is where you can yeah you would think that there would be protocols so if that aren't stupid yeah and I'm disappointed that the most advanced most long-running espionage agency hasn't got anything like that they're like and they're clearly not winless killers because they're she supposedly has one behind every powerful person in the world so clearly they can blend in with society and feign social cues to get into power right I'm sure they're very in fact that might actually be something you think would be praying to those ones at least maybe there's a difference between foot soldiers and then people who are meant to go undercover for no x amount of time I don't know I guess but this is not a this is not a consistency sort of compliment to Dracoff's approach with these women it doesn't make any sense he treats them as objects I'm okay with saying that but those objects are valuable to him he needs them yeah exactly objects are still valuable well yeah my phone is valuable like my phone is an object that's not alive it's not objectifying your phone for me well I'm just saying when I put it on my desk I don't slime it so hard that it and my desk collapse and turn it to dust and no pretense about whether he's dead or alive I appreciate that the audience new, Yelena new think Nat knows no pretense about whether he's alive how can she break out of the conditioning to say that she doesn't want to do that to her oh wait I think he's gonna be ahead of me no that's the next one it's on screen very expendable did you notice that she's kept apart where Black Widow falls like stories in fairness maybe maybe he'll dress at a certain point don't rip off entirely because I don't understand how you can completely ignore that part but maybe I just want to point out that he's given a win to the film for not pretending that Draykov is alive or dead or whatever that he's definitely alive that's no confirmation to Nat Nat can't confirm that based on this I just didn't know if Draykov was dead and his program was still working that wouldn't change what the Black Widow does I mean I was just thinking do they use his name at all to Nat or does Nat just assume Draykov is alive from this I didn't get anything from about Draykov fact is there's a big criticism I have for Nat why she thought if the red room cannot exist without Draykov is her logic and it's like why why couldn't all of this be going with Draykov's son or Draykov's associates or he has cotiginity or whatever you know it would be really really creepy and again I'm back seat writing what if Draykov did die and his daughter was horribly disfigured and she was running the operation and at the end she has to reason with Draykov's daughter at the end and you could even do the thing they do in Equilibrium where right up until near the end cause the daughter is using Draykov's image maybe to give orders it might be tough to argue that all that makes sense but at least you could do it for Natasha specifically yeah, I mean Natasha that would be enough of a justification for that disguise but that would be really interesting that would be way better for Twist I think yeah cause she would feel fully justified in the daughter and she's like um, conflicted but you're still evil yeah, easy stuff no pretense about whether I appreciate that, the audience new Yelena new and now I think Nat knows I don't want to do this oof, ruthless that's ruthless I mean I guess but it's dumb more than anything else I don't even, it feels weird to be like that's ruthless what we've had, like this is something we know is definitely a thing is it not ruthless that she's willing to cut her own salvation to not die, like and cut a hand to throw her on to like a a seven story fall like, I get that, you know being forced to kill yourself last ruthless like what about that scene where they capture all those children and kill the ones that aren't compliant that's pretty ruthless and so it's like, so what are you saying then like the, it's not ruthless by comparison, I'm just like I don't know it just feels weird that he's like oh this is ruthless yeah just feels odd and he dings it as well oh by the way, what is he going to say about this sisters, you can't trust her sisters, that's funny she took the keys off her because sisters Tee I have sisters they don't do that I just want to put it out there that not all sisters steal keys it's just weird and yeah, yeah just I want to acknowledge it again in case you missed the chat, he did indeed ignore the seven story fall part or how much it was we have left that for now we'll see if he comes back they got right where you left off whoa whoa whoa, how far did we just skip wow we did we skipped the A we skipped the B whoa and the black widow who was chasing them the bike with the shame gun yeah we missed the fucking APC intro we skipped a lot we skipped a lot I thought he was going to be like wow what an intro this by the way this highlights my issue when people are like man you know why can't you more or you other guys depending on whatever you're covering why can't you cover I don't know fucking the new why can't you cover Shang-Chi for example and I'll be like well I can't cover everything and I'm like oh but you know Person X has covered all of these and I'm like this doesn't count yeah but they did a shit job he's covering fuck all like if someone said Cidema Woods has covered black widow I'd be like he's missed loads of opportunities for praise but he's also like omitting shit tons of the movie to praise it so Cidema skips yeah damn what a way to just really just tearing chunks out of this movie he's skipping all the bad stuff he's not skipping all of the bad stuff most of that stuff yeah that's what Cap would do hey wait a minute where did Captain America learn how to steal a car Nazi Germany and we're borrowing take your feet off the um so he's saying that he's going to return it or give it back or leave it to be found he's not going to keep it is what he's saying which is kind of the same thing I mean it's not really a worthwhile distinction for the point of this point well that doesn't make any sense no that doesn't make any sense how this plays out I know in our black widow video we talk about it a bunch nothing about that makes sense in any way no the fact that you think that's resourcefulness it would be like if I take a baseball bat and slam the concrete in front of me and it makes a crack that goes all the way to rags his house and destroys it and that was my goal it's like wow that was resourceful like how did you how like it's resourceful just call it that ding there is playing a video game weapons to cycle through on the left items on the right and this mimic stuff might as well be auto aiming is that a compliment that's a win it feels weird so you know how it's literally got a weapon selector yeah but like that it's got a sword I presume grapple bow or well arrow and bow I don't fucking know but like does it really make sense that it would be organized like a video game where we have to hit up down left right on a d-pad or maybe WASD to access particular things well he's like does that make any sense he literally takes out his bow himself he doesn't press left on the d-pad you know what I mean just remind him that he has those things but I'll remind you Mahler though that his combat strategy compatibility is 100% though oh nice it's good that wow it's good that we know that that's better than XCOM he might hit something with 100% haha I almost bled to death she said not because there wasn't time to turn a kid her wound but because she was planning to no there was no that's true though you can argue it's both but there she actually said to not fucking turn a kid the wound while Taskmaster is five seconds behind them but he's saying it's clever because she wanted to lead Taskmaster to that hole with the blood drip but that doesn't make sense then because that means they blood dripped into the hole and then they walked over to the other place the vent to climb into then turn a kid the wound so where's the blood they'd be blood walk over to the hole turn a kid then climb to some place while Taskmaster walks over to the hole because we see them dealing with it in the vent so they don't deal with it until then which means I guess one of them took a coat off and held it underneath the dripping wound to make sure none of it fell until they got into the vent I don't know the problem is that none of this timeline matches up Taskmaster should have caught up but he doesn't because he can't not allowed there's the blood the version one of the big ones comes to avenge you what are the big ones I like to imagine Thor and Hulk finding out about this conversation and arguing about who she meant specifically so we're going to ignore how stupid it was that they fucked up the timeline that Draykov didn't try to kill Black Widow because he wouldn't want to set off the avengers without setting off the avengers especially with assassins too um she wasn't always an avenger when she left Draykov that happened years later oh nope I doubt that space has to take an ibuprofen after a fight and it's sort of cute to think that Nat doesn't see herself as any lesser of a teammate than the god and you know what she's probably been just as effective stop no I need you to stop I need you to stop he was almost there because what he had to say was she's as integral to the team in a meaningful way as many of the others in different way like you keep it nice and broad you don't go you don't say she's done more than Thor like what are you talking about look at this image yeah she's the same guys she lacks the capacity to even hurt Thor please she Natasha's role in the avengers has been complicated because of the fact that she's so deep-powered compared to them she's often times the one who talks to them about different things but then she still gets certain jobs done that are sort of lower level but man how fucking stupid cute to think that Nat doesn't see herself as any lesser of a teammate than the god and you know what she's probably been just as effective she did do the whole save the world self sacrifice thing there you go she killed herself so she's pretty much on level with Thor no that's different from punching like robots shit by his logic nobody is any different from anyone else as long as they've had done something that resulted in saving the world yeah exactly like if someone pushed a button to prevent a nuclear war they're the same Colson's basically the iron man yeah true just need Natasha sorry I just need Natasha to turn around it's like what do we some sort of suicide squad and jumps right out the cliff that would be fucked up that would be hilarious they're at least on equal footing and Tony didn't have to fight his best friend for the honor sorry you're right he had to fight an alien army yeah I was gonna say do not remember how do you think Tony looks like this he's fucking army he's been torn to shreds like what are you talking about yeah Tony didn't have to fight Hawkeye to kill himself he had to just fight an entire army what the just to kill himself hey what the fuck Tony didn't have to fight his best friend for the honor they're the same Moller and everyone they're the same he's devaluing Tony sacrifice he's saying Tony didn't have to fight someone to kill himself she did maybe he thinks Hawkeye is way stronger than Hawkeye actually is he's always like thank god Iron Man didn't have to fight Hawkeye I also like I think he's go ahead man you didn't have to fight Hawkeye he had to fight the destroyer of the universe instead yeah Hawkeye similar I also think he's devaluing like in a way he's devaluing that sacrifice he's totally missing the context of that scene so this is like he's terrible it's by trying to do by taking what she does and trying to twist it into something else he is trying to elevate her into like a different category other than what she is which by in effect kind of like devalues her in terms of power he's fucking up in every way right now he should have redrafted this and talked about what she brings to the team and why she sees herself as an equal potentially but certainly not in power like what do you mean it's like the Useless of the team this chat gets there's a few weeps in there yeah is that UK's brother yeah exactly bro okay you just didn't want your sister to tag along whilst you saved the world with the cool kids you weren't really my sister and the Avengers aren't really your family sisters they know how to hurt each other none of it made any sense I hate this dialogue Natasha would never say that to her it is so fucking cold and harsh and comes out of nowhere Natasha we know from this film that she cares about her deeply and she abandoned her for no reason the idea that she would be like in response to saying you wouldn't want your baby sister hanging out with you while you're doing Avenger stuff the idea that Natasha would say you're not really my sister bitch it's like wow that's out of character and then for her to say back the Avengers aren't really your family I don't even what the fuck's happening now if your lane is going to make that point then the undercover family isn't really a family either I I hate it dialogue is so important it's true but what if we just didn't think about it hmm my take is that this was the point ooh my take is that this was day 7 of 11 of their writing the script for this movie okay this is the part this is the part where they're supposed to have some sort of conflict resolved by the end of the movie what can they say they're not your family then later on she'll say both that the Avengers are her family and that the Elena is her sister and she did care about it that's who she was you said she wasn't that for your movie and I think they literally said at the end the fake family thing was real for me too that's not the fake family part which again she would have felt that anyway she can't create a family and she's very much about family and she's found a family with the Avengers she's all about family she's basically the Vin Diesel from the Fast and the Furious of the Avengers it's all about family so yeah it just seems like a cheap shot just to get that little bit of conflict there deep by diminishing the value of each other's relationship that's not right what happened I'm actually questioning it yeah he's breaking the conditioning maybe let's have a look at that again sisters they know how to hurt each other deep by diminishing the value of each other's relationship that's not right wait the wind counter went up but it's an X what's going on what's going on you need to explain your rules to us listen to me since it has the reverse sound and it goes down when he gives a compliment I need the Hulk text or like that's the thing I never have rules I never had any rule yeah Shed you got a good point he did the reverse point but he counted up instead so he copied the gimmick but he didn't do it right I'm going to even more nitpicky I think he managed to get the criticism wrong tag along whilst you save the world with the cool kids yeah I know sisters they know how to hurt each other deep by diminishing it's like sisters diminishing the value of each other's relationships to hurt each other that's not right well that's what they would do if that's what their goal was if they wanted to hurt each other relationship it seems like the primary way you'd hurt your sister you'd diminish the value of their relationships and stuff my criticism is that it's a character yeah no family can hurt you worse than anyone else because they know everything about you they know where I live they can catch you real deep if they want to so in fact that if that was what they were supposed to say which probably isn't that would be an effective way of hurting you getting personal but what does it mean to go from 62 to 63 with an X what does that mean the value of each other's relationships that's not right oh it went back to 62 so I guess he's saying he was gonna praise it but he had to take it away ah okay I withdraw my previous situation even though but like I still don't think he got the criticism right but at least he noticed he's beginning to believe he's beginning to notice the spoon is bending matrix reference amazing impression and acknowledgement that Nat is effectively a celebrity but also yeah why no homecoming and everything already did this Nat is effectively a celebrity it's like well of course they all are manager and she does these poses or whatever in the first time we see a dude I think in Iron Man 2 who's watching other than the people she's gonna knock the fuck out I don't understand it's always been a strange joke but it always felt weird coming from Yelena especially she's so well adjusted so fun yeah it's Elizabeth it took years of getting back into society and joking and getting people to kind of break out of your shell to be anywhere near as personable as she is so that's a bit wild and um yeah and then it pays off later because I imagine he's gonna give it a big ol ding for that and he's like oh do you remember that conversation they had oh great I guess you gotta hop off here guys I got a commitment in about 20 minutes but thanks so much for having me on wow only 4 hours and 20 minutes gosh you must get busy all the time unfortunately I have a thing every other week and the ones who invited too generally tend to jump on that week but thanks so much for having me on and yeah anytime yeah no problem thank you so much for joining us and um well I mean do you want to tell people what you're up to where they can find you what should you do indigo gaming should be the first search result working on a really long video not like model or long but 2 hours plus cyberpunk genre the matrix you know cyberpunk books tv shows, comics, whatever could be fun probably releasing in November but yeah I'll do gaming content, elder scrolls follow up all this rpgs stuff like that yeah I appreciate any people checking out my channel and thanks so much for having me on yeah man we'll catch in the future I imagine I'll look forward to it nice meeting you too Shad I think we've got a pleasure talking to you yeah that was awesome good to meet you too see ya bye bye bye I never know who has or hasn't met each other before on this crazy thing we call EFAP so I can't remember all the people that I've been on EFAP with at times and so sometimes when we're on a song like I know I've listened to you on EFAP I can't remember so I was like I just I don't know sometimes I met you before right Shad I think have we he's the one with the sword I think yeah reviews but don't worry we can worry I remember you of course I do something okay I have a question will you do like a definitive medieval weapons tier list in the future or so difficult because there's a lot of context that makes weapons good for situations in other situations and then I got my own biases maybe if you just do at least one for like open field two guys same what's the lowest tier possible just like uncheck failure like I guess two blokes like the worst weapon well we would have to name of the group tier is it like ultra mega crap is that the name of the group tier the lowest group tier no no what I think you should come up with something thematic for the tier list like maybe like you take all like great Roman generals or medieval kings or you know strategist and things and like oh shit this is like Richard the manhearted tier or oh this is Frederick the third tier or something like that like oh man this is drowned on a river drunk tier or this is like oh this is like children's crusade tier something like that you know I could name it after weapons because the lowest tier weapons would be the nunchuck tier so that's nunchuck tier there you go nunchuck's the worst in the batwoman weapon oh they're in the same group batwoman tier but you what you would do is you'd have to you'd start out with all of your weapons like that are going to be ranked um and maybe you have to put in the stipulation of like actual weapons that were actually depicted and are you going to say well this is this is not only real weapons but this is fictional ones that are plausible to exist like the batwoman weapon like you could like they constructed a prop for it so you could make one if you wanted so you know that would that could be there um yeah I would want to agree with yeah I'd probably do a list of real weapons and then I'd do like a whole separate analysis for like fictional but plausible weapons and then maybe just fully fictional you could get that would be a good stream too because you could use one of those lives like like the the tier list maker things and you could do the stream with some of your friends and you could get their opinion and everyone decides which tier to put it on and then at the end you're like okay here's our list and then as you go you could compare the ones with each other and maybe adjust so once you get ready I don't want to shame them some some of them don't think nunchucks are as bad as I proclaim and we could get them to a great battle and debate maybe that's the tier list is like that's what the stream friendships could get ruined maybe the tier list will be aggregate like it's the four of you or whatever and the score reflects the you know like if three of you agree or four of you agree and one of them doesn't then you could just laugh at him and move on and you could put it in the thing and he could be like well I'm sticking with nunchucks being great and maybe he could make it a running thing maybe you could replace like the nunchuck tier with his face or something I don't know but you could do something like that it'd be fun that sounds like something that would be fun oh what you should do is maybe you could plan this out you could get I don't know how well you're connected with like Scalgrim and Metatron and Scologoratoria you could get a big thing together where every all the experts come together and plan this out so you have all the time make it a big big thing get everyone together and that could be the idea and then you can write the same thing with castles around table discussion and then do the same thing with armor sets and do the same thing with horses maybe even horse armor I don't know sorry there's a lot of potential yeah this is Parchron tier but with the sword guys community I'm not sure how comfortable so many of them are to get into vicious back and forth debates and stuff well I mean if they're pathetic weenies I assume that they won't do it but if they just want to have a discussion about it then you could just like have a fun stream about it it would be a lot of fun it would be very fun yeah you could clearly set the tone that it's not super cool in-depth be all in doll like super duper clinical discussion on it but you could eventually settle on something or make a little tier list that would be heaps of fun because I've actually done a group chat already with the scholar meditron Todd's workshop modern history TV and me and it was great and gee they're all great guys really really top Flanders Flanders I guess out of anyone who is closest to Flanders it would be me religious, ultra cut megachad yeah yours an Australian there so nope you're gonna have to be Australian regulars and Simpsons are there any the regulars I guess Andy the prime minister it's in more than one scene well I mean you could be a regular even if you're only in one scene it would be abnormal but you can be a regular if you're only in one even if you're in one scene how does that work I don't know maybe that could be the joke yeah apart from when the Simpsons visited Australia I'm not sure there's any regular Australian characters on the Simpsons oh but what about DASH DINGO was that his name?  You could have been referring to both, but wanting to save syllables yet ironically led to a longer discussion. Which means you could be playing the long game if this object comes up in conversation enough times to justify this initial clarification, then it will eventually pay off and save time far down the road. However, ironically, by the time that happens, we will have forgotten the portmanteau and you'll have to explain it to us again. Yeah, but fortunately, we don't have to worry about that because we didn't waste any time on that. No. Yeah, good thing we did it. Sorry, I'm still waiting for my genuine fake laughs. Okay, want me to go first? Let's just get it over with. Yes, go we can worry. Let's do it. Let's do it. I just have to reimagine this whole conversation. That's it. I'm good. Wait, what was it? I thought nothing came through. We didn't hear a thing. Am I getting like, or is this a joke? No, we're not all simultaneously gaslighting, I swear.  You didn't hear me laugh? Hang on, we can worry. Are you kidding me right now? Just go and chat this boy shitting me right now. The proof is in the stream. The proof is in the stream. I'm really a chat right now. You could have just laughed again. The proof is in the stream. You could have just laughed again and all this time. Where are you gaslighting? The proof is in the stream. Okay, you can go back. Oh, that's not even gaslighting. We just said we couldn't hear you. Why are you guys laughing? Do you want me to laugh again? Yeah, yeah. If our complaint is that we couldn't hear you, then we would. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, that was our complaint. That, yeah, is that it didn't come through the mic. You really want me, you really want my high pitch in your ears. Is that why are you really sure you want to do that? Well, that's the point of this otherwise. Are you kidding me right now? Maybe your microphone might be, you might be peeking in your microphone and it cuts it out. Could you record this locally and then send the file to us in Discord? There you go. Otherwise, otherwise, there's no proof that you did it. You could just be trying to punk us. We can worry. Yeah, how do we know that you're not trying to gaslight all of us? It's thinking that. Are you tinfoiling us?  It's a double tinfoil reversal. Double tinfoil reversal. That's like a move on the high bar. No, fake laugh. You wanted to do it again. Fake laugh again. Fake laugh. Oh, my God. I, like I said, I think it's peeking or something on the microphone and it's cutting it out. Yeah. Are you gasing me as Chad pointed out? When Chad did it, it cut out a little bit of it at one point. I think it's because Discord actually sometimes it's like, is that a human or is that something else? Maybe you need to scoot away from the mic so it doesn't peek, but it also picks it up if it's loud enough. Well, I mean, at least we have confirmation from Discord that- Or we could just move on with the video. We can worry. I really wanted to hear the fake laugh. Well, here's the thing. How about, I've got an idea. We can combine both of these ideas, right? All right. A good bit of fakery, right, is all in the timing in the presence. So let's continue with the video and we'll all squeeze in our fake laughs. Oh, and once it's done, call it out. Like a few seconds later is that was my fake one, by the way. If nobody says anything. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Let's do it. All right. Well, Florence Pugh is a win. That's what we're on. So you could laugh at that, theoretically, but it could also be fake. Let's get this out. Pugh is always a win. And you can put so much stuff in it. Always, really? Always. Oh, I beg your pardon, Serene. Clearly, Luke would have a problem with Serena. Also weird that he keeps getting involved with the abused and trauma. Serena? Who's Serena? Luke with Serena. What are we? Who's Serena? Oh, I'm sorry. Is it a reference to some other show with this actor starred in? Is that the idea? Probably, probably. Yeah. It is Serena Alexandra, Serena Anastasia, Serena Maria Federadovna, Serena Anoval, Serena Catherine, Serena Elizabeth. Try Serena Florence Pugh. See if that brings up anything. Serena Pugh? No. Like a TV show or movie or anything? Now there's a, it's saying, do you mean Serena Pugh or Serena Pugh? But probably not. So Serena, what now? Who's the actor for Mason? One sec. I'm going to reverse engineer this or maybe regular engineer. Rake Mason played by O.T. Fagbini. Is that seriously his name? Oh, sorry. Fagbenly, Fagbenly. Did you just say Fagbenly? That's, hey, look, I didn't name him. That's a good thing to call Benly a fag. His first name is O.T. with a dad? I don't know.  This is the weirdest one ever.  His name is Ola Tunday, Ola Teju, Ola, Ola Lorem. That's his, those are three names. No, no, no, no, his, his, his rapper name is over the top, Fagbenly. No, I, right now, his rapper name isn't his real name. I'm trying to figure out his real name. You said, no, no, no, his rapper. So he is a rapper. I thought that was like a joke. Or is he not? It says he is an actor, screenwriter, songwriter, and director. It does not say that he's a rapper. I don't know where that came from at all. I'm assuming it was a joke. We can worry it was vacant. Ah, I guess so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't worry it's O.T. It's O.T. a rapper name. And so Luke, Luke Bancol or Bancolay is the, is the character he plays in the Handmaid's Tale. There you go. All right. Okay. And is she in the Handmaid's Tale? Well, the Handmaid's Tale has. Oh, wait. No, it's all right. I'm swimming in it, sir. Okay. There you go.  So you guys discuss that. I'll be back in a moment. Okay. All right. Yeah, meta, meta commentary. That deserves a win point because it's recent. Because he chose, yeah. I mean, yeah, it'll just be a win. Hey, look, there's this weird connection kind of, if you think about it, great. Do you reckon he's going to mention all the prison deaths? I think not. No problem. Are you even going to make it that far? We are. Maybe, maybe he's going to skip it. Well, remember that's next. That's like right after this scene. So, oh, you mean like, will he skip over? That's kind of what I'm asking. Do you think he'll address it or not? Maybe he'll go, oh, it's a family moment. He'll ignore the whole deal sequence. Hey, Rags, what happens now? We're going to play. Are you ready? I am ready. Yeah. Boom. You can believe it. What ties women? What's your deal? Pretty sure that's so relic for love and it's got to be Molina, right? And those two are Natalya. Google Translate says it's Helena, but it sounds like it's pronounced Yelena. Also, the collarbone says Lady Luck, which for the record, with just one letter wrong. I'm guessing this is all worth saying. It's great. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just figured out the trivia. He's, no, he's trying to copy cinema sins when he points out irrelevant or out of place things in the background or if he reads the actual articles of his papers that are put down and points out wrong dates and things. And yeah, you can disingenuously place ironic criticism on movies by pointing out things that people don't really pay attention to and say, it's wrong. It's got the wrong date. But in this one, he's pointing out things that actually make sense in the thing, but it's not really. Well, I'd be on board with that if, if not for the fact that his relationship to them is garbage. Yeah. The idea is like, look, he's tattooed them on him. Makes no sense that he would have the tattoos. Yeah.  Captain America. Some. Yeah. Like, I don't consider this a good detail because it just makes me confused about him. Who do I, which I use my ultimate genius to ascertain was not correct. I don't believe your ability to find out what the Russian is on these. I actually would probably err on the side of the movie. Got it right. Because if you just flat out, phonetically Google the names, like, then it'll be different because names are often similar in languages, but they will not be always the same, especially if one of them might be the native language of that name. And we're used to saying it a different way. He probably did one Google and then he was like, it works. And then there's like, okay. Like one and like John and one. Yeah. They're not similar. It's the same name. Seriously, Joshua, right? That comes from Jeshua or Jesu, which actually is a Hebrew name for Jesus. And so, um, yeah. Names can change pronunciation through languages quite dramatically. Absolutely. Left hopper at Russian prison camp? Brutal. Even for you, 11. Oh, strange as things reference. Oh, dang. Yeah, I don't. It's a win. Yeah, it's a win. Anyway, this shield, you know, that carries with him like a precious baby blanket. Where's the lie? But to be fair, it did save him. It's a weapon. It's also a shield. Yeah, it's, I mean, yeah. It did save him from folding out that window, that one. What are we, what are we doing? No, it's, and his whole, the context of the conversation is a lie because he's talking about how he fought Captain America. And this is, and this is when the other guy said, you, Captain America, fought out in the 2000s or something. He's saying as cinema wins that, yeah, it's true. He does treat that shield as a baby blanket. It's like, what, no? He uses it exact. It's like saying all the people with guns treat their guns as baby blankets. Like, we'll know that they use them as guns. It's a tool. Yeah. I mean, in any capacity that he would have met Captain America, he would have the shield. And that's his weapon. So he would be very serious about keeping it handy.  And I'm like, I wear that. Yeah, I like them. Yeah, I do. You protect me from the natural things. Yes. From falling out with that one time. Yes. That is the one time the field has been pretty useful. Yep. That's the only time. All right. All