Next question is from Malibu Banks after doing deadlifts How do you know if you're just really sore if your form wasn't correct and might have caused a small injury? Okay, so soreness versus injury, you know when I used to hear this from clients I used to always kind of scratch my head like how do you know how do you not know the difference? It's kind of obvious But then I realized that people just aren't in their bodies right if you don't exercise a lot Yeah, it's a new stimulus Yes, and I and you see this with kids a lot when I do certain exercises with my kids They and they get sore like my daughter will wake up and she'll be like, you know I'll call me from her room and I'll be like what's the matter like I hurt my legs Yeah, I'd like you hurt your legs and I'll make show me where it hurts and then I'll move her around I'll be like you're sore, honey Like she didn't know the difference between soreness and pain so I can kind of get that all right so Soreness is in the muscle Pain and it's in the muscle and you don't see lots of inflammation You don't see discoloration and it doesn't cause major dysfunction typically, right? You can get super sore to the point where that what that happens in which case I would consider that almost an injury injuries you typically feel on the joints So if you're doing deadlifts, you might get some soreness in the muscles that run up and down the spine You might get some soreness in your hips You might get some soreness in your forearms But you shouldn't have pain in the spine and the actual spine or in the hip joint That's typically where you're you're either injured or you're about to get injured well on to just like more of a shooting pain like more of a Electricity almost where it's like you start to move in a direction and then It limits you and it inhibits like the the movement Completely to where you have to kind of sit down you have to adjust what you're normally doing to where you really can't pull it off I would say that that's something that you know is more towards the injuries spectrum But yeah, it's funny because a lot of times too people get sore in Stabilizing muscles in there and it's it's hard to distinguish like what that is, right? It's even happened to me one time where I'm like, oh my god. It's my kidney or my liver or something It's just like my oblique, you know, I haven't had a sore oblique or sore QL And it's just you know, they did something where they twisted or rotated it and their body had to really brace really hard And they didn't realize typically to an injury will Either get worse over time and or will take a long time Where a soreness will get progressively better, right? So like if you get sore and you feel really really sore Typically sometimes a day two of being sore is really bad, right? But normally day three day four day five day six every day you feel progressively better on your sore Many times when you're you've injured something you've strained a ligament or your your joints are hurting so that it will It will hang around much longer and sometimes even get and it doesn't feel better when you move it Yes, that's a big one if you're sore you can move the muscle. That's right You a lot better injury you move it it feels right like you like you were using your your daughter For example, you've heard her legs are hurting because they're sore and you were to put her in and you stretched her for a good 20 minutes she would feel better after that so if you if you get if you stretch or do yoga or do mobility And it seems to make whatever wherever you feel feel better Good chance of that soreness if it feels worse when you're doing stuff like that. Be careful. It could be an injury


One argument that always seems to appear when analyzing the role of Muslims in the modern advancements and innovation within the STEM fields that science, technology, engineering, and mathematics is how the tally of Nobel laureates compares with that of the Jews over the last 120 years. Those criticizing the Islamic world might ask sarcastically, what have Muslims done as of late? What inventions have they come up with over the last 200 years? I look at this point of view and contemplate its purpose. I suppose it's meant to look down upon Muslims, to put them in what some people might believe to be the rightful place, a place of ignorance and lack of ingenuity, a position academically and intellectually lower than the other populations across the world, and mainly when compared against those in the West. But what allows this unfavorable opinion to even fester? What have Muslims done to deserve such an impression? Or better yet, what haven't they done? Well, unfortunately, there is truth to the fact that Muslims do indeed lag far behind the West, as well as other parts of the world when it comes to STEM innovation and advancement. Real numbers tell this story quite well. UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization data, shows that Muslim countries have fewer than 10 scientists, engineers, and technicians per 1,000 of the population, compared with a world average of 40 and 140 for the developed world. In addition, Muslim countries only have 600 researchers per 1 million people on average. Now compare that with 1,000 in Brazil and 4,000 in Spain and 9,000 in Israel. One single university, Harvard, from the early 2000s, year after year, outperformed the entire Arab Muslim world when it came to the generation of scientific papers. So, as hurtful as it is to admit, Muslims aren't performing remotely close to the global average when it comes to supporting, investing, and producing in the world of sciences, mathematics, and technology. The question is, why? How can a nation that was at the forefront and cutting edge of science, mathematics, and medicine up to the 15th century become so inferior in modernity? What were and still are the reasons that prevent Muslims from transcending the status quo that has haunted them for virtually half a millennium? Let's take a look at some of these reasons that have impacted the Islamic nation to this day, and ones that might also be limiting Muslims' abilities to break out within the foreseeable future. Since the Golden Age of Islam's end, prioritization of religious studies at the expense of the sciences has been a real factor in impacting the Muslim world's propensity to excel at innovation. With the challenges of reduced revenues, the caliphate was forced to abandon science all but entirely. Nizamiya schooling came into effect in the 11th century, where the comprehensive education of Islam had to be applied first and foremost. The matter in which religion would end up being instructed was more in line with memorization and exact recitation of holy scripture, accompanied by a limited, if not an inability to discuss and maybe even challenge the hadiths and the sharia being presented. This methodology of recitation reimposed its way into the modern system of Muslim education over the last two centuries, where science, mathematics, and the applied sciences were grasped and rewarded via the photographic delivery of their content and not necessarily through the understanding of their concepts. Such a phenomenon has led to an even larger absence of curiosity within the minds of Muslims, an absence that is much beyond the inconceivable questioning of why, and that is the questioning of how. How do things work in our natural world? So where did all the curiosity go? A second reason that supplements the first is the residual post-colonial mentality that Muslims struggle with to this day. Since the days of Napoleon Bonaparte's campaign in Africa in the late 18th century, the Muslim world has been in an irreparable state of shock. Due to this discovery of how vast a chasm existed between the science and technology of the West and that of the Muslim world. As indigenous people suffering under the suppression of the colonial powers, the Islamic nation went into rejection mode when exposed to the sciences of the West. Fast forward to the 20th century and the narrative flips. To when only the advice and expertise of the West is heard, taking predominance over any local expert opinion or experience. Muslims leave it to the Europeans, Americans and more recently the East Asians to invent, create, discover and produce, only for Muslim nations to consume without question. The third reason for the Muslim nation's crippled ability to innovate is due to the typology of nation they emanate from. In general, there are two types of Muslim nations with some minor exceptions. One is that wrestle with repressive regimes and others that prosper while in a state of lethargy. Repressed nations typically struggle with authoritarian or theocratic regimes that downplay the importance of education and research. The intent is to maintain as low a standard of education as possible thereby keeping the population codependent. And if somehow success was achieved within the STEM domains, immediate emigration would ensue. For the nations that were and are prosperous and especially ones who gained drastic wealth over the last 60 to 80 years, the problems were different. The challenge was in the absence of enthusiasm and commitment towards the seeking of knowledge. The passion necessary for all the learning and hard work that is associated with the STEM educational curriculums was at a minimum. In addition, the fears associated with the demanding work lifestyle of such professionals wrought about havoc with any aspirations for entry into this domain. In either case of Muslim nations, not many were incentivized to research, innovate, or produce. No real reason has impacted the lack of attention to the sciences as the lack of funding, money. And there are two aspects to that we must both recognize. First being that there is no real money being spent on the advancement of sciences anywhere around the Muslim world. Muslim countries spend less than 1% of their GDP on research and development. And consequently, their contribution to the world's scientific literature is also well below 1%. And the data backs this up. There are also rarely any jobs for those who excel within the STEM fields. And if they do indeed exist, then they are either low paying or low prestige. In either case, not a great option for a career. So if the reputation or a career path of a researcher or academic is non-existent, then how can we expect any up and coming youth to aspire to become a scientist or an inventor versus a government employee or a banker? There are no schools of thought that confirm the fact that Islam is indeed anti-science or more appropriately anti-STEM. On the contrary, Islam is a faith that prompts Muslims to engage proactively in the search of knowledge and to believe in the concept of the burden of proof. Science, medicine, and mathematics are about the how of the natural world and not the why. So we can't use the Islamic faith as an excuse for the Muslim world's situation when it comes to innovation. Nothing needs fixing here, except for the fact that when we do innovate and advance science, it should be done within the ethics and values of Islam. Muslims must also rid themselves of their inferiority complex towards the West when it comes to excelling at anything and everything. Time and time again, the West is providing the Muslim world with real-time examples that they don't know any better, be it dealing with pandemics or the handling of injustices of war around the world. There's not much that can be done with the repressive systems of governance that exists in today's Islamic world. But even with such limitations, education across all fronts must be addressed to rebalance what has been lopsided for way too long. The teaching of religion, liberal arts, and STEM even handedly and without conflict so that inspiration and passion can be instilled into Muslims from the very early stages of life. And if the Muslim world allows itself to break free from all these self-imposed limits it will find that there exists a substantial part of the population that craves discovery, hungry for knowledge and the exploration of our natural world and universe. Only awaiting the opportunity to prove to the world that by gaining knowledge, enhancing it, and finally sharing it it will be proven that medicine, mathematics, and all the applied sciences have always been an integral part of the Muslim identity. Thank you. And your patience. Bye-bye.


g automated still has huge implications this is why we're big on human in the loop for most things because this human experience that AI creates again it's going to define that market that brand identity you have in the market so there's a few approaches here there's five to be honest with you obviously we've showed two of them the customer service interaction with chat bot and enhancing the work of the knowledge worker getting insight into the structure of TOGA through the use of IBM Watson Discovery so but there is also managing complexity and risk so we integrate AI into things like Watson cybersecurity so taking massive amounts of data that's coming out of the enterprise on how your security is functioning is certainly a good model using it to find the best talent so we do actually use that in our talent systems within IBM and to empower developers to actually create AI based applications themselves in our case we showed a few example applications but in reality you would build up the underlying AI systems and then that's a thing you can integrate with for other experiences you could take that chat bot and have it a phone line that one calls in for example instead of just a web based experience so I mean here's just some other examples of some of the ways one can get started and work but again it really follows pretty much everything we've been describing the way you can sort of improve some of these business processes target what's critical to your enterprise and figure out do I have data around this and can I apply just enough AI to get started preferably AI someone else built where then I can just focus on deriving value from that interaction your subject you really like well when it comes down to these systems at the end of the day the architecture still matters I mean in our example of showcasing some of these few sample applications right we edited a model on the fly and things got crazy in Harry very quickly that's all realities right these systems have an inherent complexity and maintaining them and making them successful still requires architecture architecture from the application perspective architecture from the data perspective from the model perspective in the enterprise systems that we've built doing even chat stuff you've got multiple environments you've got some kind of you actually have a change review board a change management board I know we think it's an ugly word but you know those processes still serve value and architecture is a core part of that yeah certainly true and we tended to throw architecture out with the you know the baby with bath water kind of analogy we went we went to agile we went iterative we created this idea of minimal viable product but the product is not really viable and it's sometimes not even minimal but all the data is generating building up technical debt it's not the right solution so you definitely have to think in terms of the illities because right now agile and design thinking is all about outside in and it thinks of it in terms of how the user wants to interact with the system that's great but as we know you know from the open group a lot of the success of your system is all of the illities the 40 different illities the non-functional requirements that are necessary to build a system that's maintainable and you have to begin to think about the architecture from the inside of the system out instead of the end user perspective which is mostly what we're doing these days I think that's it yeah wow we made it to the end any last minute questions where we let you escape it is 509 nope Ron so if I had actually created an intent that was bridges versus badges I can actually go back and fix that in the model pretty easily if somebody actually retrains the AI network to somehow you know befuddle badges and bridges then I'm probably going to have to fall back to a past corpus yeah I mean it comes down to data curation right this is why Microsoft Tay suffered such an untimely fate if you let just anyone you know adjust the model you're going to have a bad time and this is where I brought back the comment of devops you want to be able to move these things quickly in the case of our internal version of the nameless chatbot we showed we've got our IBM's global career team who works with IBM's technical career path and once a week they look at the data once every two weeks they propose changes to each other and once every month or so they actually make these changes sometimes they make them on the fly but you know we sort of empower them using devops methodology to make a mistake and if something goes bad they have a button I put that they push and you run your devops pipeline and you take the old stuff and you know throw it away and put back in the put in the new stuff or vice versa right I mean it goes back to that same fail fast fail forward methodology in our case you saw right the caveman version of it people typing oh I think it should be this or whatever and if you make a mistake going back is really hard but with devops practices that we all know and love doing rapid iterations you can start to address a lot of that complexity


Live from Washington D.C., it's theCUBE, covering Inforum DC 2018, brought to you by Infor. Well, welcome to the nation's capital, a rain-soaked Washington D.C. We're here for Inforum 18, Dave Vellante, John Walls. We're in the Walter Washington Convention Center, the fourth time Cube has been at an Infor show and getting bigger and better than ever, David. That's right, John. Let's see, the first one was in New Orleans several years ago, then Infor skipped a year and then did Javits a couple years in a row. That's sort of the headquarters of where Infor is, is very close to the Javits Center. And Charles Phillips, of course, lives in New York City. And this year, they decided to come to the nation's capital. I mean, Infor is an interesting company, about $3 billion in revenue. Essentially, it's a private equity roll-up from Golden Gate and others that really the roots of it are in loss in software. Some of you may remember loss in software, the enterprise software company. And then Charles Phillips came on, and of course he was the architect of Oracle's M&A, probably spent $30 plus billion for Larry Ellison, remaking Oracle, completely transforming Oracle, brought some of that expertise to Infor in this private equity play, this roll-up, and then bought many, many software companies, rolled them up together, and really started to compete in using a different model. So Infor's sort of expertise, if you will, is around so-called micro verticals. So they cover a lot of different industries, hospitality industries. They've got also manufacturing, ERP, retail financial, healthcare, and then they also have horizontal applications like human capital management. Their differentiation is several fold. One major point is they go after what they call the last mile. So they call this micro verticals. So the last mile functionality that would normally have to be customized Infor does that work for you. Now the advantage of that is two-fold. One is you don't have to do a bunch of custom mods, all that hard work is done. The second is another part of the differentiation is cloud. So they chose several years ago to go with the AWS cloud, put their SaaS on the cloud. Charles Phillips said, hey, when we were an on-prem software company, we didn't manage our own servers for our customers or managed customer servers. We didn't do that. So why would we do it in the cloud? We don't want to compete with Google and Microsoft and Amazon in terms of scale. So we're going to put our software on the Amazon cloud. So that was another point of differentiation. The reason why that's so important in the context of custom mods is if you're rolling out new upgrades on a periodic basis. And you hear this a lot from service now customers, for example, another cloud software company. You can't do custom mods and then take advantage of the new releases, right? So this is because you're going to be way behind. Okay, so you have to have that hard work done so that you can avoid those custom modifications. And that's something that Infor has been very proud of. So as I say, $3 billion company. Last year they took a $2 billion investment from Koch Industries. Now that investment largely went to recapitalizing the company. I think the private equity guys probably took some money off the table as did the four, what I call the four horsemen. They were the four sort of new founders of Infor, including Charles Phillips, Pam Murphy, who is still there. And then two others, Duncan Angov and Stefan, who have left the company. So they've got some succession planning now. We saw different two new faces up on stage. Soma and we're going to have some other folks on that we'll introduce you to. But so now we're entering a new phase and it's the phase of what Charles Phillips coined human potential. So big focus this year on human capital management. We heard that big focus on AI. They talked a lot about robotic process automation. I just had a meeting last night at the airport in DCA with the head of marketing at an RPA company, UiPath. And they're smoking hot. They just raised 225 million. They've gone from like 2 million to 200 million overnight. And that space is exploding. It was interesting to hear Charles Phillips talk a lot today about robotic process automation, RPA, which is essentially software. Yeah, break that down for me. So RPA is software robots. And software robots are used to automate mundane tasks, having machines do very specific tasks. So you're seeing this a lot in financial services and a lot of back office automation. It's not physical robots moving around. It's basically software-based processes that machines can do, repetitive processes, that machines can do better. The machines don't get tired. So they can do these repetitive tasks, take that away, those mundane tasks away from humans. You heard a lot of conversation about that today. You also heard a little competitive fire. So Oracle is now taking ads out against Infor. We've seen that. All the cabs here, many of the cabs, have Oracle branding on them. So Oracle's paying attention to Infor. And they're right down the road here too, by the way. Rest in Virginia, not far. So this is their backyard. Well, congratulations, Infor. Oracle's paying attention to you. That must mean you're hurting. We've seen this before with others. I mean, we certainly saw it in past days with IBM. We see it extensively with Workday. We've seen some kind of tit for tat with Salesforce, even though Salesforce is one of Oracle's largest customers. That's been kind of fun to watch. And now Infor. So Infor clearly is doing some damage to the traditional guys. Oracle, SAP, Workday, maybe not so much, Workday's growing like crazy. But Infor claims it's growing SaaS revenue 50% faster than Oracle's SaaS revenue, to growing at double the rate of SAP and growing as fast almost as Workday is kind of what it claims. And so this whole enterprise resource planning, HCM, vertical market software, horizontal software, the market has always been hot. It's a huge, huge market. Many, many tens of billions, it's probably a $100 billion TAM. And the big whales of course are Oracle and SAP. And then of course Salesforce. And you're seeing the emergence of companies like ServiceNow, which has quite a bit of different strategy. But with Infor's sort of Oracle heritage, a lot of people in the company came from Oracle. So they know where the skeletons are buried, they know how to compete, they have relationships with the customers, and they're offering some differentiation, as they say, with those microverticles, the last mile, and the pure cloud model. Now, if you look at the income statement, you'll see the SaaS portion of the business only represents about 25% of the revenues. But remember, that's a ratable model.  So you're billing sort of monthly, if you will, or recognizing monthly. And so as a result, it skews and dampens the effect of the SaaS software. I think from a booking standpoint, it's probably a much higher proportion of bookings. I would guess closer to 50%. As I said, they took $2 billion last year from Koch Industries. That $2 billion didn't really hit the balance sheet. They got about 330 million on the balance sheet. And they have a lot of debt because it was a private equity leverage deal. They did a lot of acquisitions. So they probably got about $5.7 billion of what they call net debt, which presumably is debt after cash. So I would guess close to $6 billion in debt. They're a quasi, they're not a public company, they're a private company, but they act in many ways like a public company. I would suspect within the next couple of years here, if this kind of growth continues, that you'll see an IPO from in for. Although, presumably Koch Industries, we heard Koch on stage today. They said they've made $15 billion in investments in technology companies. $2 billion, this has to be one of their largest. But that's patient capital. They get the benefit of the cash flow. They can probably take dividends if they want to do that. And if they're smart and they invest and they can take market share from Oracle and SAP and others and gain share in the market space, they can do an IPO. Their revenues are $3 billion, their valuation, their implied valuation based on the Koch Industries investment is $15 billion. So that if they could take that $15 billion to $30 billion, $20 to $30 billion, there's going to be a nice return. Yeah, I thought what's interesting about Koch too, they talked about it's certainly, as you talked about $2 billion, right? They put the money in, but they're also, it's a symbiotic relationship in that. That Koch is using its organization as a test lab for a lot of products and services that Infor is producing and allowing them to refine that under the Koch umbrella before they take it out to the marketplace. So that was pretty shrewd. I thought, well, that seems to make sense. You have a company with 60,000 worldwide employees. You're in dozens of countries. You have a chance to let them take their products to scale in maybe a somewhat more friendly or controlled environment before you take it out to the marketplace. That seems to make a lot of sense. Yeah, we heard the CIO of Koch Industries today and I talked to him last year, talking about some of the technical debt that they had, again, going back to those custom modifications that I was talking about earlier. They were in this terrible virtuous cycle, almost a negative virtuous cycle where they had so many custom mods that they couldn't make changes. So the applications were becoming fossilized. So they were becoming non-competitive and that's the last thing that a line of business wants to hear is, hey, we can't make the changes. IT says no, we can't touch the code. It's working or changes take too long. They take months or sometimes years to get to a major release. And so as a result, Koch was looking for ways to simplify its application portfolio and its application infrastructure. The other thing that Koch Industries has brought is you might notice on the show floor here, you see Accenture, you see Deloitte, you're seeing Grant Thornton. Now these guys weren't really going after or going hard after the Infor base before. I think a company like Koch Industries does a lot of business with these SIs. And so I think Koch has introduced the SIs to the Infor opportunity and maybe nudged them a little bit and said, hey, as a big supplier to us, we're a big customer of yours, we want you to pay attention to that opportunity and in earnest, go look at ways to partner with Infor and that's happened. My intelligence suggests that there are many multi-million dollar deals that are being catalyzed by these big SIs and they do a ton of business with SAP and Oracle. So that's another positive and a tailwind that Koch Industries, I think, has brought to the table. You mentioned human potential, which is really the overarching theme of the show here this week. Again, we're here in Washington, D.C. I was just listening to Van Jones from CNN, one of their anchors and a political contributor. Talking about that is his personal mantra, but certainly that intersects with what Infor is talking about in terms of unlocking human potential and using technology to do that. Shed a little light from Charles Phillips' perspective, the keynote that he gave, the address he gave, in terms of how do they view human potential and unlocking it with the use of their services? Well, we're going to have Charles Phillips on and so we'll certainly ask him that, but Charles Phillips is a guy with a lot of potential and that he's realizing that potential. This is a- A lot of track record, too. Exactly, this is an individual with a military background. He became, I don't know if you know his story, but he became a highly successful Wall Street analyst. He wrote the seminal piece in the 90s that said the software industry is too many software players and it's going to consolidate. Larry Ellison, prior to reading that, used to denigrate competitors for writing checks, not code, meaning his competitors were acquiring companies instead of innovating. Well, then he went on a spending spree, probably $30, $35 billion in acquisitions orchestrated by Charles Phillips and he totally remade Oracle starting with the PeopleSoft hostile takeover. And then now you see Oracle, obviously this SaaS powerhouse with many, many companies that were bought in. Charles Phillips left Oracle, became the CEO of Infor and we heard today architected an entirely new strategy with a stack, they call this thing the stack, I'll just go through it briefly. I wrote about it last year on the Wikibon blog. They've got the Infor platform, the Infor OS, and then it goes all the way up to AI, the last mile software, the cloud. They have this thing called GT Nexus, which is a supply chain network and that's where their IoT play fits. Then they bought a company last year called Burst, BIRST to do BI and analytics. And then on top of that is Coleman. So they've got this stack that they're basically infusing into their applications and I will answer your question. Essentially what they want to do is use automation and artificial intelligence to essentially coach people, workers, as they're doing their jobs. So we heard today that there are more openings and there are unemployed and productivity's going down. So Infor, Charles Phillips wants to attack that problem through software and through automation. How do you do that? Well, if you can use artificial intelligence to monitor people's KPIs, they didn't use those terms, but that's essentially what they're doing and then provide feedback on outcomes. Hey, you could have done it differently. You could have done it more quickly. The outcome could have been better if. Also analyzing other factors like the relationship, for example, using data to analyze the relationship between say tenure or where you recently promoted or turnover on the productivity of, for instance, stores, retail stores, for example. And so you're seeing the infusion of AI and software and automation into the entire application portfolio to unlock human potential. That's one part of it. The other part of it is Charles Phillips big on diversity, big on women in business. And so that's another angle that I'm sure we're going to hear more about this week. Yeah, I thought it was interesting too. Anytime a show comes to Washington, there's a reason, right? It's, and it's generally, you know, federal sector-based, policy-based. There's a regulatory undertone of some kind. And it was addressed somewhat on the keynote stage here this morning. But the idea, the notion was, was that federal regulation, federal mandates, whatever, can't keep up the pace. They just can't. And it really is up to the tech sector because it works on a much different timeframe, right? I mean, changes are made by the minute, whereas policy gets shaped by the year, you know, up on the hill here, not for about three miles from here, two miles from here. So the tech sector's responsibility in that regard, in terms of being more diverse, of having more inclusivity, of looking at environmental considerations, all these things, and of unleashing human potential and not making a government do that, not letting a regulation do that. That certainly plays into enforced thinking as well, I would think. Yeah, so first of all, so we were down here at the AWS Public Sector event in June. And there were 10,000 people here. So AWS has a huge presence here in foreign AWS or big-time partners. And remember, the CIA was the first deal, first cloud deal that AWS did. They won, IBM contested it. The judge eviscerated IBM and his ruling, basically saying they were gaming the system. They were misinterpreting, purposefully misinterpreting the RFP. Amazon won hands down. It was a huge victory for Amazon, forced IBM to go out and capitulate and purchase software for $2 billion. I believe that that only helps a company like Info who has decided to be all public cloud with AWS and drafting off of AWS's deep ties to various government agencies in the Gov cloud. So for instance, AWS was first with FedRAMP, first with a lot of different certifications and security hurdles. And so Info can just draft off of that. The CIA, again, big account. We heard the CIA talk in June about how security on the worst day of cloud is better than his client server applications on their best day. And so I suspect Info is doing business with the CIA, although that's not come out publicly, but I would think that there's an advantage that Info has because of that AWS relationship and that makes DC all the much more important for them. Well, we are in forum 18. We have a full two days of scheduling for you. Great guests coming up here on theCUBE. I'm with Dave Vellante. I'm John Walls. We'll continue here on theCUBE live from DC right after this break.


Wow. We know this actor. We do. We know this guy. This is one of the first trailers we will be reacting to that we know the actor is in it. Yeah. It's called Hotel Mumbay. Mumbay. Hotel Mumbay. Hotel Mumbay when you need to buy a mum you come here. Or a dad.  That's what's called dad buy. But yeah, it's with Army Hammer. Army Hammer and Dave Patel who was in Slumdog Millionaire. Yep. And what was that one? Which was Lyon. Great movie and Lyon. Yeah, Lyon another great movie. That's where we first saw him was Slumdog Millionaire. Yep. Did y'all like that as much as we liked it in America? Yeah, we loved it here. One best picture. So we just adored that movie. Yeah. Hope you guys liked it. So we like both these actors so we're quite excited. So let's go. Let's go to Hotel Mumbay. I don't know what this is about. Statesmen and celebrities from over a century. Wow. Remember all this? It was the Taj. So the movie had a great steam. Guest is gone. Oh, living bed. What kind of place? There's a whole lot of room back here. Let's go. Drop inside. We should try to gather whoever we can. Many of you have families at home. There is no shame in living. I've been here 35 years. This is my home. You've lived your seat for two and a half hours moving. Yeah, no. Yeah, this has been emotional. I bet you're pretty tired after you've seen this one. So what I've heard, I heard this is like their 9-11. Really? From what I've heard because it's a true story. Yeah, obviously. And don't know the outcome. I have a vague recollection about this. I remember this attack, but I just don't know the personal stories, which is always the most important thing of these kinds of attacks. Yeah. Because we get them all to share about these stories. And in 48 hours, you forget it ever happened unless it was on your soil. I was in 2008. But it looked quite interesting, though. I would definitely go see it because it's a story I don't know. And I would like to. And I love Armie Hammer. Yeah, I love both of these guys. I think the acting is going to be top notch. Yeah, bet it will be. And the cinematography looked really good, too. And so it looks like something we would really enjoy. Obviously, it's going to get a US release. I am worried, though, that it's coming out in March. It could get lost. Yeah. Yeah, but hey, who knows? But we'll see it. Not Oscar films, normally. Is that its international release? March? Everywhere? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. OK. Interesting. Well, let us know. Did you like that trailer? About the situation, please, in the comment section below. Let us know what other films we should be reacting to. Interesting trailers. Yeah. Videos. Yeah. Memes. Yeah. And foods coming. Yes. We will eventually get to India snacks, India food, India beer. Yes! Do you have good alcohol? Yeah, do you? Because we do. Because we are what you would call functioning alcoholics. Yep. Goodbye.


It was well worth the watch and it has like a really good sneaky twist at the end. Hey what's up guys, it's Josh here. Today I wanna do a little movie review on presumed innocent from I think 1990 starring Harrison Ford. So I feel like I had looked through all the main Harrison Ford movies, especially around this time. And somehow I overlooked this movie. It's a mystery, it's rated very highly. Let's jump into the pros that I have with this movie. And I think this is a solid late 80s, early 90s mystery movie. Harrison Ford's character, like he plays a character that I've never seen Harrison Ford play and he kind of doesn't really reveal very much. So you're kind of never really know where he actually stands. Is he bad? Is he good? It's interesting that Harrison Ford plays this character because he'll probably never play a character like this. Again, I do have more to say about this in my mixed, but it is definitely an attempt to do something 100% new and authentic. It almost sets up like a lot of movies that came before this. Maybe two thirds through the movie it really does switch and become its own movie. So they have this like catchy jingle for this movie. And it is, it's a good jingle. It's a catchy jingle. And the last thing I liked about this movie was it had a pretty good punchline of who done it. All these things were going on. You kind of never know, is Harrison Ford bad? Is Harrison Ford good? Because of the way he plays his character. Who the bad person ends up being in this? I absolutely never guess, completely caught me off guard. And it's kind of nice because you almost think it's somebody else for like a minute or two. Really caught me off guard an excellent twist. All right guys, I'm gonna jump into my mixed aspects. And my mixed aspects with this movie is Harrison Ford's performance. Now, Harrison Ford is playing probably the least likable, least entertaining person that we've ever seen. There's none of that Indiana Jones in here, none of that Harrison Ford in Star Wars vibe or he's just the man is making everything easy and entertaining, not in this movie. And he's doing a character that he's never done before. So I appreciate that. It helps keep the mystery of is Harrison Ford good or bad? And it's also different. I've never seen Harrison Ford player character like this but it was just so un-entertaining to watch. Oh yeah, I'm playing this character. I have no emotion, yeah. All right guys, let's jump into the cons of this movie. Now, the cons I had was it was pretty slow from my taste personally. It felt like so many other movies around this time and I'm like not really a big fan of like courtroom dramas. There are some courtroom dramas that I would probably enjoy and probably more like action adventure things like that but just a long drama in a courthouse just really isn't my thing. There's a point where the villain is revealed and this person refers to themself in the third person in like a trance and it's just so cringy. Once I saw, you know, who the villain was, I was like, oh wow, this is like, I'm just really caught off guard and I completely zoned out to the whole speech.  As far as buy try or pass, I would probably go either try or pass depending on who you are. Maybe you'd like it enough to own because it does have a really good twist at the end. If you want to rent, say it's kind of gonna depend on who you are as a person. Do you appreciate these late 80s, early 90s mysteries that you remember that time at all?  I totally get you, probably avoid this one. It was well worth the watch and it has like a really good sneaky twist at the end. Anyways guys, let me know what you think of presumed innocent, we're on the road of 50,000 subscribers and I couldn't do without any of your help. You guys are the best. Having a great day out here, hopefully on a great day at home. See you all in the next video. Peace.


This is St. Tech, Hawaii, the Trinity Matters here. Bingo, bingo, bingo, we're back at four o'clock. This is Hawaii, the state of clean energy. Our flagship energy show every Wednesday at 4 p.m. And wow, we're entering into a new month. Okay, so we not only have a special guest next to me, Shayna, but we also have a special co-host, Brian K. Aloha from Hawaii Energy. Brian, can you describe all the wonderful things that are gonna happen on Hawaii State of Clean Energy this month? There's a lot going on this month. October is Energy Action Month. So as a result, we're gonna be talking about a lot of different things. Today we've got Shayna from our program and Kippin from Eolani Palace to talk about some of the events of the month, as well as some of the things that Eolani Palace did to be energy efficient and save money and save energy. And later in the month, we're gonna get into exciting things around codes and standards and things that people can do in their homes and businesses to save money. Exciting times, okay, this is gonna be an interesting month because as you know, you're the first guy to know this. The cheapest kilowatt of all is the one you never use. I've heard that somewhere before, yeah. I may have uttered it a few times too. So introduce Shayna now. So Shayna Doi is our Marketing and Communications Manager at Hawaii Energy, and she's a rock star who's killing it across all of our Marcom efforts to really help get the word out on how people can make smart energy choices save money, save energy. And one of the things that's coming up tomorrow is the second annual National Energy Efficiency Day. There's some cool stuff happening in the state. So I'm not gonna steal Shayna's thunder and introduce the Shayna to you from here. I feel it coming, I feel it coming. Can you tell us what's coming tomorrow? Yeah, so as Brian mentioned, tomorrow is National Energy Efficiency Day across the country, and Hawaii Energy is proud this year to have reached out to each of the four county mayors in our state, and each of them in their respective counties will be proclaiming tomorrow officially as Energy Efficiency Day in their county. So last year we were able to do this on a state level and this year we're doing it on a county level and we're super excited to get them all on board, especially because Hawaii is definitely leading the charge for this Energy Efficiency Day campaign, and it's really awesome to have all of their support as well. Brian, did you tell me that Hawaii is the only state in the union where all the counties are buying in? Am I right about that? That is correct. Once again, we're on the map. Last year we were the first state as a state to proclaim it as Energy Efficiency Day, and then this year on the second annual we're the first state to have all our counties buy into it. So it really just shows how clean energy is at the forefront here, and Hawaii is always a national leader. Better watch out, you're gonna get calls from the media all over the country tomorrow. Broke here first, Jay. Yeah, I know, it's a clue by the way. So what should I expect to see tomorrow, Shane, is there gonna be festivities, parades, people? Oh, well, there won't be big parades or anything like that, but we will be doing our best to break the news to the public. We'll be on KHON tomorrow morning, on their morning show Take Two, talking about what we just talked about here, and hopefully encouraging folks to do their part in Energy Action Month and save energy and make smart energy choices. Later on in the month, we'll be putting together some really awesome things like our own events, just celebrating energy efficiency right here in downtown Honolulu at Tamarind Park on the 18th. I'll be there. You will be, well, that's amazing to hear. And then there are also a lot of other events that are not hosted by us, happening throughout the month, so some technical trainings going on. HIKO has their clean energy fair happening on the 7th, so we're really excited to be a part of all of that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, what can I do, Shane, in order to celebrate, or at least joining the celebration of Energy, let's see, Energy Efficiency Day, just tomorrow and Energy Action Month, the action part is where I'm going here. Yeah, yeah. Well, where do we start? My goodness, there's so many things. What we're asking folks to do just on a national level, I guess one simple step you can take is take a pledge to just switch out one light bulb, upgrade it if you've got an old incandescent. We were talking about Thomas Edison earlier. We don't live in the age of things anymore, unfortunately, so if you could take the pledge and our viewers could take the pledge to just change one light bulb, that would mean a whole lot across the country. Imagine that, everybody change out one light bulb, what a difference it would make. Two in LED, or yeah. Yeah, okay, anything else? Anything else? Well, there's so many different. My refrigerator for two. Yeah, your refrigerator, if you've got an old refrigerator, you can trade that up to an Energy Star model, same with a lot of your appliances in your home, ceiling fans, air conditioning, you could get a solar water heater for your home if you're not, if you're running off an electric one right now.  All the things that we, you know, we love to tell people that make a difference and if they want to learn more, they can always check us out more at HawaiiEnergy.com. And they'll see their incentive programs because I know you have incentive programs for a lot of the things you just named. So, Brian, how much of what Shane has said do you agree with? 100%. It's just like our clean energy goal, 100%. Well, that's what you mentioned, and I think that's an important piece is that we have incentives for pretty much everything that Shane laid out. And in addition to that, you know, on our website, you can find a lot of interesting educational pieces too as well. And a lot of times for people when they're in the moment of buying, let's say an appliance, they're not thinking about energy efficiency, right? They're looking at the color, what's gonna match in their home, does it have the space or what they want? And so if tomorrow, if everyone, if they go out and just think about energy for a little bit and get that energy star appliance, get the rebate, that's one of the things that people can do to make a difference. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny, we, you know, in the energy conversation in this state, we spent a lot of time talking about the grid and talking about storage, we talked about renewables, we talked about getting off fossil fuels, we talked about transportation. But we don't actually talk that much, not as much about energy efficiency. And I wonder if you guys could help us put in perspective where the one stands vis-à-vis the whole conversation. How important, what percentage of my energy thought process should I dedicate to energy efficiency? Don't say 100%. I was just gonna say, that's where I was going, back again, 100%. Yeah. Well, put it this way. The latest report out from Hawaiian Electric, in terms of where we are across their utilities, is that we're at 26% renewable energy right now. To put that in perspective, if we hadn't done the energy efficiency programs we have over the past seven years, as a state we'd only be at 22%. So when you think of it from a percentage of where we're at wise, you know, easily in the 10 to 20% part of the conversation of what needs to happen. But most importantly, energy efficiency is the most cost effective resource. The LED light's gonna cost you a lot less than a PV panel. So get your load down first and then put in the clean energy system. Let me add something, see if you agree with me saying that. It's not only cost effective, cheaper cost to the consumer, it's cheaper capital cost. You don't have to build a power plant to be efficient. You don't have to spend millions and billions and whatever to do energy efficiency.  So that means it's not just your monthly bill, it's the cost to the whole community, to the economy, if you will, yeah. In terms of energy efficiency, where do you think it plays against what I call the Puerto Rico effect? Because Puerto Rico is having a terrible time and they were not particularly efficient. They didn't have, I think they had 2% of renewables on their grid. They did not have resilient systems that could operate against the storm. We do have more renewables. We do have more resilient systems. We are thinking about it all day. And in that mix somewhere is energy efficiency. Where does it play in case we have a storm? It's not an easy question, by the way. I'm looking at Shayna if she wants to take a stab or if she wants me to do it. I'd rather you do it. All right. Well, I think if you rewind the clock even further back to, if you look at what happened with Superstorm Sandy and how much devastation was wrought on the systems there, as a state, they looked at how do we make our energy systems more resilient? They realized the backbone to everything is making sure that schools are up and running again and they have power. So kids can go back to school. So parents can deal with the recovery efforts and things of that nature, right? So along those same lines, if you're gonna be resilient, that means you'll probably have some form of self-generation and storage. And for you to size those systems, it's gonna be really, as you just said, it's really expensive to buy those things. So if you can implement energy efficiency and bring the load down, then those systems don't have to be as expensive. They don't have to be as big. And hopefully they can then be more resilient when storms happen because it's probably just a matter of time, unfortunately, that we're gonna get hit by some type of storm. And hopefully it's not gonna be too bad, but we need to start preparing for that. Yeah, we do, especially in our thought process. Because it's sort of like the same point, is if you have to rebuild a damaged system, you don't have to rebuild that part of it, which is energy efficiency. Okay, you get to close now. You get to say anything else that you wanna say. And for this, I'm helping you with your own notes. Okay, Shayna? Anything I wanna say. Anything. You can say how much of what Brian said you agree with. Well, I definitely agree with what Brian said. Obviously, he's my boss. I'm not gonna disagree with him on a popular, not on air at least. But I just wanna reiterate for everyone, I think all of our viewers, that all the points that you guys talked about today, the energy efficiency is the cheapest grid resource that we can buy. It doesn't take a lot. Anybody can participate. Like I said before, the pledge of just one light bulb. We can do that. Anybody can do that. Home, office, mom's, parents' kids. Plus, it's better to replace all the bulbs. Well, it is. But if you have to start somewhere, yes, of course. And then just to reiterate that if you're stuck or you wanna learn more, Hawaii Energy is always here to be that resource for you. We have an awesome website, obviously HawaiiEnergy.com. I'm not gonna come on TV and not plug my own website. But really, we do truly mean that. We really wanna be that trusted advisor for all of our business colleagues, everybody who's at home watching as well. Just if you're ever in the need to learn more about energy or you wanna learn how you can pay less every month, that's what we're here for. HawaiiEnergy.com. HawaiiEnergy.com. I heard you say that. Yeah. And follow us on social media. Yeah, follow us on social media. All right, at my Hawaii Energy.  I told you she was. Okay, I won't deny it. You gotta trust me. You gotta trust me, Jay. We'll take a short break and come back and talk to Kippin from Ilani Palace and find out what's going on there in terms of energy. We'll be right back. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. So hot up in the, nothing is making sense. Good afternoon, my name is Howard Wigg. I am the proud host of Code Green, a program on Think Tech Hawaii. We show at three o'clock in the afternoon every other Monday. My guests are specialists, both from here and the mainland on energy efficiency, which means you do more for less electricity and you're generally safer and more comfortable while you're keeping dollars in your pocket.  And indeed, we did. This is Jay Fidel here on Think Tech with our flagship energy show, Hawaii, the State of Clean Energy. And my co-host is Brian Kealoja of Hawaii Energy, and he is now gonna introduce Kippin. Kippin Vandachew. You get that right? The Albatru. Yeah. The Albatru would be make you dush. You're not dush. The Albatru. Who's with Iolani Palace? But, Brian, why don't you introduce? Sure. So Kippin D'Albatru is the Executive Director of Iolani Palace. And one of the reasons why I was hoping to come on today, and I'm very happy he did, was we were just in the last segment talking a little bit about what you can do to save money and save energy and change out one light in your place. Well, Kippin took that to the next level. He changed out every light at Iolani Palace. I'll let him tell a little bit more about his story and what's happened there. Welcome to the show, Kippin. Thank you. Thank you, Jay, and thank you, Brian. So what do you do over there? What do I do? What do you do? Change lights. No, actually, I haven't done that. Basically, we care for Iolani Palace and manage all of the tours and access for people to come in. I haven't done tours. Excellent. Thank you. So why does Iolani Palace care about light bulbs? Well, it's because King Kalakawa cared about the light bulb. He went and visited Tommy Settison in New York City and brought the technology of electricity and the incandescent light bulbs back to Hawaii. So the palace, when it was built, had gas lanterns originally. And then when Kalakawa saw the new technology, he thought, you know what, this is something that we could use at Iolani Palace. So it was extremely fitting that today we are now switching to the newest type of bulb, the LED. Perfect. What took you so long? Actually, it was the technology had to keep up, had to catch up to our exacting demands for a historic site. So we could not put in the first LEDs that came out with this bluish white tint. They were way too harsh. And so we kept testing over the years. It took about five years. So we started back in 2012. We were using samples. And none of them worked until just last year.  So it has a warm orange glow of the bulb. You need that because it's an historical museum. Yes. In effect, you know, you can't have it too bright. Yeah, exactly. Did you have to change infrastructure to do this? Did you have to change wiring? Did you have to change the canisters in which the bulbs are seated or anything like that? No, none of that. It was just simply twist off, twist off the new bulb.  Is it true? Step ladder, I can see it now. At night, right, I just... What's Kip in doing that when he's changing bulbs? Changing bulbs, yeah. Actually, I have to say before the switch, our staff had to change bulbs every two weeks. They would burn out. Because you have a lot of bulbs. Because we had 692 bulbs we changed. Give it a take. Oh no, exactly, 692. And since the change out, we started back in September of last year, at the beginning, the new joke now is how many guys does it take to change a light bulb in Yolani Palace? Zero. Because none of the LED bulbs have burned out. None. It's in September of last year. You heard it here on the big channel. How many guys does it take? None. It's fabulous. So how about the quality of lighting, the temperature, did you achieve what you wanted to that way? Oh, exactly. We did want to increase the lighting in the Palace because it was very dark before. So with incandescence, we were using 15 watt bulbs. That is pretty dark. With the new LEDs, we were able to up that to about 65 watts, but still with a natural looking light. And so when the tourists come in, they don't have to use the flash on their phones because they're not supposed to use flash. But because it was so dark, a lot of people would try to sneak in doing a flash. But now it's well lit. So it's a better experience for them. It's a better museum for them that way. It is better. You can see a lot more detail. And then for us on the other side is we can actually close the shutters for the sunlight because the sunlight is the most damaging on our objects. And so with the higher light, we don't need the sunlight. Brilliant. So think about this, right? It doesn't have to change its light bulbs anymore. It provides a better experience. It preserves everything in the Palace. Yeah. And how much are you saving now a month because you did it? Oh, it was about $1,200. A month. A month we're saving. Wow. Yeah, we have a big bill. That's a lot of money over a year or five or 10 years. Incredible. So you're just sold on a deal, then. You're not going back. To gas lanterns. Is there anything else you have to do with the Palace now or complete the project? Is it all done or is there more? No, the project is completely done. We are finally finished. So Brian, where does this fit in the larger picture? I mean, certainly it's iconic, right? It is a special place and this is a special project. And you must love this project. Absolutely. Because if Yolani Palace can find a way to change out the lights in, obviously, at the Palace, there's no excuse for any other building not to be able to do it. Because, as Kippin talked about it, that five-year process, and we were going hand-in-hand with that together of, is this the right light? The right temperature? Does it provide the right setting for the curators? Whatever it may be, it was a challenging process. And so needing to preserve that architectural look and the museum look and all those pieces is not easy. So if Yolani Palace can do it, really, we all can do it. Everybody can do it, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I hate to tell you this, but you're not the only museum in the state. I know. We know. We can send you a note to that. What about other museums that are like Yolani Palace?  But the Mission House across the street, Bishop Museum, what have you, there are other museums. And my own experience is they could use more light, actually, because I like to see because I'm getting old and I can't see straight. I like to see what I'm reading on the exhibits. So I'd like to see the artifacts there. Where are we on that? Are we doing this in other places, too? So one of the things that's really been exciting what's come out of this is we've been working a lot more with the Historical Preservation Society. And actually, Ramsey Brown, who's on my staff, is going to be presenting again in a couple of weeks. Yeah, he's awesome. And the case study that he's going to be presenting is Yolani Palace. So we're hopeful that this can be kind of a catalyst for a lot of historic buildings as well to see that you can be energy efficient. You can make these smart energy choices and still operate a historic building and preserve what the ambiance and the feel of those facilities are, but save money and save energy in the process. Yeah, so can we say also that there are lessons you have learned in this project with 623? 92. Sorry. As I said, I was getting older. 692 bulbs, what have we learned in terms of dealing with not only an historic building, but any building or any place that has 692 possibilities? In the way we address this, in the way we get the staff aside from you to go out and do the job, the way that we determine the right temperature, one lesson I suppose would be call Brian. Oh, yeah. He and his staff are the best, yeah. What else? This is a profound experience, and we need to share with people what you've learned so they can follow the same path. There are so many benefits that we have noticed from switching to LEDs that they keep coming up. One is the saving in staff time by not having to change bulbs, because we have some bulbs that are pretty high up, and it's going to take a while. So now you pay them less? No, we have to pay them more, because the minimum wage law is going up in January. But it's also there's much less heat, so the air conditioning system has to work less. So you save money on the air conditioning also. Exactly, yeah. And there's a better comfort level, especially in the galleries where we have a lot of spotlights. Those have all been switched to LEDs. So spotlights can be very hot. Exactly, and now we don't have that problem. So there are a lot of benefits. This applies to every building. Not only is that building very building. Exactly. So whose idea was this anyway? Oh, this is Kippen. He's following in the footsteps of Kala Kala. He decided, I'm going to bring the LED to Keelani Palace. This is all Kala Kala's idea. Yeah, he started it. You know this gesture, right? Princess Keelani, right? Keelani, yes. The lighting of Honolulu. But in all seriousness, once he figured that out, he realized he was dealing with a higher energy bill, and what we were going to do. And the first place that we looked at was the lighting. We thought it would be one of the easiest ways to start saving money right away. And I think one of the lessons learned was it's really good to go through the process of putting in samples and getting staff and everyone involved in a decision in a place like Keelani Palace to feel comfortable with what's in there. So while it took a long time to get in, we didn't deal with anything on the back side of, oh, these lights aren't the right color. We don't like it. All of those types of complaints didn't happen. Where if we hadn't gone through this process, I think we would be dealing with it on the back end. Correct. Correct. So you go through a side of the temperature issue. I really appeal, because we have temperature issues around in the studio, the same kind of thing. You have to hit the right temperature. We have what do you call it, gels over our lights to make sure it's the right temperature. But aside from that, how do I make a choice about what kind of LED I'm going to go by? Should I go to one place or the other? Should I go mail order? How much should I expect to spend? You had to go through that, I guess. Oh, yeah, we had to find something that looked like an incandescent bulb. Yeah. Yeah. An LED that where you could see the filaments inside. Yeah. And so that we had to wait till that developed. Because it wasn't out there at the beginning. You know, twisty, depressing kind of thing for it. Yeah, exactly. So you waited. We waited. And finally it came out. And so we're using a Phillips bulb that mimics. And so it's beautiful. The bulb is beautiful. And I have to come and look. Will you let me come and look? Yes, of course, yeah. I think a camera can do that. A white camera. No noise. No light. Natural light. Everyone can take photos. Yeah, you post on social media. So Brian, where does this all go? I mean, what's your advice, for example, to me as a homeowner or studio operator or building operator, whatever I mean, how do I start the same project that Kippen started? How do I go down the road on that? What are my considerations? Well, I think one of the first things he did was, again, call Hoi Energy. That was a big step in the process. Very important move. Yeah, right.  But he didn't know all the necessary steps on energy efficiency. And he shouldn't. And most people don't need to know that. And that's what Hoi Energy is there for. I mean, everyone pays for it as part of their electric bill. It's a service that we all need to take advantage of. And that's the first part of the process. And when we worked with Kippen, we went through his facility and figured out where are the different areas where they could save money. And like I said, we started with lighting. But Kippen's also doing some things. This is air conditioning system. So there's just a number for efficiency as well. Yeah. So I mean, you helped in a kind of general audit as well.  So once you start looking at the bulbs, you should look at everything. Oh, yeah. Exactly. And so that's your approach. But that's for one iconic project. But what about other? Suppose I own the Davies building.  Right. So what we usually try to do is we have a number of clean energy allies that are part of our program. And depending on what things you might be wanting to look into install, we can help connect customers with those allies. And they can put together different proposals that will have the costs and the savings. And what we will do is we provide incentives on the project as well to help move it forward. So in the case of Kippen's project, we paid almost $13,000 in rebates to make the project look more cost effective. And it really helped him move forward with some of the initial costs that he needed to get to invest. And so we would do the same thing on other projects as well as we figure out what the scope would be, what the opportunities are, and put together incentive package to help make it happen. Yeah, so you're not only going to come and tell them what it means and how to do it and savings and benefits, you're going to actually help him in American money. Absolutely. And that did help you. Was that a fact? You probably already committed to the thing anyway. But it did help you. It was a tipping point thing that you should also get incentives from Brian. Oh, of course. Definitely. It sounded like a great experience together. It was a great experience. And basically, we will pay for the bulbs in three years, thanks to the savings. That's pretty short turnaround. Yeah, oh yeah. That's with the rebate taken into account. So tell the people why they should come and see Eolani Palace. What do you got going over there? What do we don't have going?  And these are now on display in the throne room. And they're about, I believe, three or four dresses from various queens that people can see. One is the peacock gown that Kapiolani wore. And again, these are replicas. We don't have the original, but there is close to the original as possible. And that is very exciting for a lot of people to see. And that's under the LED lights, too, by the way. You can see it beautifully. They show better that way. Better that way, yeah. The feathers looks a little different, yeah. Well, you know, Eolani Palace is a tremendous thing for Hawaii. It represents more than just a look back at the monarchy. It represents a kind of, it's a historical turning point. People have different ideas about whether it was a good one or not. But it helps us. It's a lens through which we can understand Hawaiian history and culture. And you're there.  It was a fantastic job. Yeah. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Kevin. So Brian, can you talk about the takeaway here and what we're going to do next time? Sure. So hopefully everyone out there saw some, heard some ideas of what they can do to save money and save energy. And again, energy efficiency is the first place to start to be able to save, to reduce your energy bill and get the process started towards that 100% clean energy goal. As we look forward into the upcoming show, I think on the 18th, we have Ramsay Brown, your favorite. My favorite. He's going to come in and talk about. Aside from Shayna. Yeah. Just don't tell Shayna. He's going to come in and talk about not only the energy codes, which I think we've discussed at length before, but some of the things that we're doing in terms of standards as well to help raise the minimum bar of things so that our incentives can push things to even a higher efficiency. And we can get to that 100% faster. Yeah, that's an interesting point. That efficiency is not static. No. The efficiency that we have today, that we have at Eleni Palace, is better than it was a year or two or five years ago. And you're always looking for ways to make efficiency more efficient. You heard it here on Think Tank. Efficiency more efficient. Yeah. I love it. Thank you, Jake. Great to have you here. Ryan, thanks. And next week. We'll see you then. All right. Aloha. Aloha.


Hello, I'm Justin Cormack. I'm the CTO at Docker and I'm a member of the CNCF Technical Oversight Committee. And one of the things we really changed a lot in the last year in CNCF is the sandbox. So the sandbox is now home for a huge variety of projects to experiment with new things in cloud native and innovate and it's these are the projects you'll all be using in a few years time and some of you are using right now and they're great places to hack and develop and explore new ideas and we're really excited that now we have over over 40 nearly 50 probably by the time you hear this sandbox project and there's a huge diversity of them and I'm going to try and run through almost all of them in 15 minutes. So let's go then. Starting with databases. SchemaHero is a tool that takes your database schema and makes it into a Kubernetes object and then you can apply schema updates and so on along with changes in your application code just through GitOps and through you know through your normal Kubernetes operations. We'll see this pattern of applying things as Kubernetes objects in a lot of these projects. SchemaHero supports Postgres MySQL, Cockroach, Cassandra and SQLite. So if you're using those try it out. Next we have streaming and messaging tools. Streaming data and stream processing is a really important part of cloud native applications and lots of people are using them and getting a lot of value from that kind of architecture. Strims is a tool to help you run Apache Kafka efficiently on Kubernetes. So it's a Kubernetes operator that lets you manage the lifecycle of Kafka deployments and scaling and things like that. Provega is a whole new streaming database design. It's in the same kind of family as Kafka but it's designed to support persistent storage, auto scaling, efficiency with a lot of partitions while delivering exactly one semantics and low latency all running on Kubernetes. Tremor is also a new event processing system. It's an early stage project written in Rust. One of many Rust projects we have in CNCF now. We had a Rust day earlier this week and it's exciting to see that community starting to work on interesting cloud native projects. So Tremor is designed to replace tools such as Logstash or Telegraph for getting JSON log data throughout into your system at high performance and high volume and it supports back pressure and rate limiting for a stable system which is obviously really important in production. The next landscape section is application definition and image building. Backstage is a really exciting project. We were all really excited to see this when it came into Sandbox. It's a Spotify project originally and it lets you build a whole developer portal for managing infrastructure with extensible UX and extensible service catalog and plugins that lay your teams to manage their own infrastructure from a simple UI. Kudo is a toolkit for writing Kubernetes operators. So if you've been excited about operators in the stock so far, take a look at it. It's got a set of existing operators you can use and modify and operators let you control the whole life cycle of stateful applications such as managing backups and scaling and all the complex bits of life cycle that are really important. Serverless workflow is a specification with Java and Go SDKs for defining workflows for serverless applications. So there's a way to define how data flows between different serverless functions and how the events map and how retry and control logic works. Artifact Hub is a front-end for finding artifacts such as Helm charts across multiple actual back-end repositories. It's not limited to Helm. It's been used by open policy Asian policies, Falco rules and all sorts of other cloud native pieces. Kubevert is a tool for running VM workloads, not just container workloads on Kubernetes. So if you haven't containerized everything and you want to run one set of infrastructure for all your applications, take a look and run your legacy applications in the same infrastructure. Porter is an application packaging tool from the CNAP specification. So it bundles up a set of components with instructions for how to deploy them, how to upgrade them and so on. It's a very generic specification and Porter is the kind of tool that works with all these CNAP things. And Telepresence is a useful tool for remote debugging your apps while they're actually running in Kubernetes in production or in staging. So you can debug on your local workstation using local tools while your application is actually running remotely in Kubernetes. Now CINCD tools. Brigade runs inside your Kubernetes cluster and lets you use simple JavaScript programs to run tasks and pipelines and things. So you could run unit tests or Slack integrations or database updates, whatever you want to script, all sorts of tasks in JavaScript. So it's easy to use. KEP10 manages application lifecycle automation. So if you want to have a GitHub style delivery pipeline but you don't want to roll out code unless it actually passes service level objectives, then this is what you need. So you can roll out from say staging to production if the code is meeting the quality gates. This takes us nicely into observability and the areas around that. So open metrics is standardizing the Prometheus format. So make it an IETF standard. So it's not just the format used by Prometheus, but it's also being widely used elsewhere because it's a really simple, easy to understand standard. Trickster is an HTTP reverse proxy in cache, but it's specifically designed around accelerating time series databases such as Prometheus. So if you're making a dashboard system, for example, it can make it much faster by caching frequently used data, but it can also add special optimizations that apply specifically to time series data such as exactly aligning your time series requests on say one second boundaries to make them faster. Open telemetry is a telemetry service for traces and metrics and logs. Now this project, it really shows what you can do in the sandbox. It was actually a merger of open tracing and open census projects to make a uniform interface for users and it's seeing a lot of adoption as just applying for incubation now, but it really shows that you can, you know, projects can really morph and change in sandbox and projects can work together and work at how to grow. We also have a couple of chaos engineering tools. Netflix really introduced the Chaos Monkey years ago and it's become a valuable part of people's tooling for breaking things at scale in production in controlled ways or uncontrolled ways. So Chaos Mesh has an operator that injects chaos into Kubernetes and Litmus has a set of CRDs and a toolkit to let you program your own chaos in Go. So if you want to make custom chaotic things happen in your cluster, that's an interesting way of doing it. So far we have one Kubernetes whole Kubernetes distribution in the sandbox. So k3s is built for IoT and edge use cases which are becoming really popular with Kubernetes and really growing area. So it's a lighter weight environment, can use SQLite instead of XDD and more things targeted at that kind of environment also runs well on ARM servers. Crossplane is a really cool way to expose any service API as a Kubernetes object and manage it. So you can manage resources in public and private clouds that your application needs along with your application in your kuba resources with a uniform API. So it's really, really interesting. Volcano is a batch scheduling system for Kubernetes. It's often used for ML and big data applications like Spark and TensorFlow. So if you're looking for better support for more advanced batch workflow, take a look. BFE is a layer 7 application load balancer with support for things like HTTPS obviously and web sockets and TLS and flexible routing policies. The service mesh interface is a specification for service mesh as it covers the common feature sets like traffic encryption, telemetry, which everyone, everyone using service mesh is usually using. So it allows you to switch to a different service mesh that meets the SPAC and use common tooling. Open service mesh is a simple envoy based service mesh that actually implements service mesh interface. So it covers those basics. Kuma is another envoy based service mesh designed to bridge Kubernetes and virtual machines with a single control plane. Network service mesh is people who need containers to different network protocols. So if you're using raw Ethernet or MPLS or L2TP, for example, like lots of telco applications are, this is something that you might want to check out. CNI Genie lets you connect to different CNI, so Kubernetes networking implementations on the same cluster. So you can give pods connectivity to multiple CNI plugins. So if you're doing interesting things with networking, take a look at that. And KuboVN lets you use OVN networks with Kubernetes. So if you're integrating into your enterprise network where you're using encapsulated packets, then you might want to use that as your CNI. We've got three storage projects in the sandbox. Longhorn provides replicated block storage and management. So that's useful if you need replicated, highly available block stores. Open EBS supports local or replicated storage volumes. It uses a fork of one of the Longhorn providers and some various other options. Chibao FS is not a block store, but it's actually POSIX and S3 compatible file-based storage if you're looking for file storage for your applications. Provisioning is another area where you've got several interesting projects. Metal Cubed, see the cool name? Cubed. It's a provisioning tool that runs inside Kubernetes to provision bare metal hosts. It has an operator that talks to IPMI controllers and provision servers and has NGO clusters. So that's interesting. And then Tinkerbell, there's another bare metal provisioning project came out of Packet and Equinix Metal. It divides into five components for managing different parts, HCP, OS installs and power and boot control and things like that. So very interesting project and lots of work going on there. Open Yert is another Kubernetes on the Edge project. So you can see lots of Edge work going on supporting nodes that might go offline. Edge clusters which need to sync back to a cloud control plane. We've got there's lots of different Edge work at different stages because a lot of people are doing Kubernetes at the Edge. So there's lots of projects and CNC have to look out for if you're doing that. And now for something different. Cloud Custodian is actually a tool for policy definition enforcement in public clouds. So if you're using public cloud and you want to check your certificates are about to expire or check policies and on say machine images and storage bucket policy then use that, which brings us really into the whole security and compliance section. There's actually a lot of projects here. A lot of these projects are really exciting. It's great to see security projects in CNCF because it's one of the areas I'm particularly interested in. CERT Manager is an incredibly useful project which can manage all your Kubernetes cluster certificates and automatically renew them and so on. EnToto is a software supply chain security specification. So it's around about signing what processes have taken place with when you're building your software so you can verify it went through the right steps. KeyLime is built on TPM2 software stack and is providing remote attestation and integrity measurements so you can see that what's running on your machine is what's supposed to be running. Parsec is another hardware security project platform abstraction for security it's short for. It's designed to abstract over hardware cryptography. So if applications want to talk to hardware crypto modules on the machine it can use Parsec. CurieFence is a web application firewall that can be deployed in Envoy or standalone to control traffic reaching our application. DEX is an open ID Connect and an OAuth 2 provider so if you want to authenticate users into your cluster that's incredibly useful. Caverno is a policy agent and mission controller for Kubernetes. It's really a much simpler than open policy agent. It's designed for very simple use cases if you want to for example just say I don't want to run privileged containers this might be easier for you. It doesn't have a whole programming language like open policy agent but just has simple composable policies. And Athens is next for my own certificate manager to give applications dynamic certificates and provide service identity. So that's all the projects that were in the sandbox landscape when I was doing this talk. There were actually a few more that we just let in recently that didn't quite get into the landscape. Sorry distribution you didn't get in. And a couple of others that we let in and a couple of others that are going to be let in before KubeCon no doubt. But the sandbox is a really exciting place for projects and it's where projects are you know again the next generation of projects that you're all going to be using and coming from and you can start using them now start investigating them and find something to hack on.