was about the Louisiana purpose he was about look up his map it's called to Mary or anything y'all is to Mary kings so I want to look up at the map right and I was amazed he was right he was like that's y'all true nationality he was like when a similar war broke out and they took over america and started calling them americans and they spelt it differently and the bible is based on y'all all has to know this tree may tree know this everybody know this there are men on the now and not these after it doesn't have stairs that's one of it it doesn't have tuples on top of this summit they couldn't own the tuples atop those great pyramids they're unlearned there and that was writing about the americans the records that Spira they started actually saying and because i'm in love that he said this ain't america and then put the name america on it and we're trying to hide things and wait a minute you can't put that name on here and the next time you reprint it that mountain hello everybody welcome back to esoteric atlanta if you are on gnostic tv and you are following the esoteric explorer series then you are already familiar with my new friend my new guest here derek how you doing today i am great good to be here i'm so excited to introduce you to my youtube audience you guys and if you're not on gnostic tv derek is actually just a little spoiler before you get into the topic at hand derek is actually a descendant of john bell of the bell witch hauntings when i covered on gnostic tv so another little spoiler if you haven't seen that and you want to hear that story and derek's story you can follow the link down in the description box below because what a story that is but today when you contacted me derek not only did you contact me about john bell being your five times great grandfather but you also mentioned something else to me that you had heard me say that you also had kind of played with and what is that exactly it is the idea or theory of ancient egypt being here in the americas or at least some type of court there's most definitely some type of correlation you know so the question is for me to what like is this actually ancient egypt or is it just somehow paralleled you know that has been i i i'll never forget when i first was hit with this idea that maybe i actually live in egypt and you in egypt um it was wild to me because i'm such a lover of history and geography that it never occurred to me that they could have fooled us right certain locations are and i agree with you because there's three i kind of have three theories in my head of what the truth could be and i could be wrong with all of them guys i'm just this is just how i'm trying to work it out in my head and then we'll get into it i either think a they totally liked us and they absolutely moved things from the southeastern part of the united states over to what we call egypt today like totally like things were hit regardless things were hidden yes you know yeah i've also kind of thought well maybe for a long time i played with the idea that when the continent when earth was one continent before the hand g is that what it was called one continent before it divided that where the united stuff at eastern united states would have kind of been up there with so maybe when it divided it pulled it apart which means that the divide would have had to happen faster and quicker than what we've been told but then that theory got kind of blown out of the water for me when they started to discover roads uh in the bottom of the pacific and the atlantic ocean so that means there was a land mass there before and it didn't necessarily divide right another concept that i've been playing with is that we are living and there's two different timelines happening and we're seeing the evidence of both timelines i've kind of seen that a little too and i'm going to go back to how this started how it first came into my awareness okay and so it started with a dream i like in the dream there's a lady and she was giving the information and i remember i remember being in the dream and i could see what she looked like and she told me her name well as soon as i woke up i couldn't see her picture anymore and i couldn't remember her name but it kept going in my head the coastline of montana the coastline of montana so i'll wake up sometimes and i just have these like sentences like running through my mind it's almost like i'm reading a book and i can usually remember like parts of it right um so i wrote down um coastline of montana but then i go back to bed and i'm thinking there's not a coastline in montana i'm like maybe she met the coastline of minnesota i think is i think has like a coastline of the great lakes but whatever i was like all right um and so like within that like next week i told i was in the car with my parents and i told them about it and then and they were like oh they're like we just saw something about the ancient coastline going through montana i'm like shut up so after i did some research and this is going back anywhere from like 20 to 100 million years ago um and you can look up this information you can just google like 20 coast the gulf coast 20 million years ago they also call it the mississippi embayment but essentially going through the united states from um from montana to the area where i live now it was there was like a water passage going all the way through so there literally was this ancient coastline in montana and i and i love when things happen like this because it not not that i can make sure not that everyone's gonna believe me but in my own world it gives me 100 clarification when i have this random random dream some lady telling me some information and long and behold it's true you know yeah i want to show our friends i think i know where you're going with this as well so like the the gulf coast here we have well that would make sense too because in montana today so look right here you see guys like montana today is landlocked and um what's interesting if we're looking we're talking egypt and america when we look at the mighty mississippi as it is today which would have been kind of that that that that waterway you're talking about would have whittled down to what we call the mississippi river that would have been denial yeah and um and then i had another dream in the same bed it was like in the same exact spot i had another dream um of this lady tell and i i couldn't tell if it was the same lady or not but it was like all it all came through the same and she was telling me about how there used to be pyramids all along the coast of like the tennessee river probably like the mississippi river but how there used to be legitimate pyramids all throughout north america so i am looking here i'm seeing if they'll show a split screen absolutely there are tons of pyramids you know they're not of course you're not going to show a split screen there used to be a split screen you could look at and compare them to but of course they've taken that down um there are pyramids all over all over the united states really not just the southeast like there's some in the grand canyon there's tons here um in the atlanta area that are hidden um and if we look at the gulf the the mississippi river the mighty mississippi Mississippi river the delta where it comes out into the gulf is new orleans if we look at egypt where they caught what they call the nile the delta it comes out of is alexandria so alexandria for those i've covered alexandria before and i'll link that down in the description box guys but alexandria in in egypt that's where cleopatra's body's missing that's where the ancient library was that went missing and so if by chance alexandria is not alexandria and new orleans is alexandria that makes a lot of sense to me because new orleans is magical and alexandria was kind of magical but that means cleopatra's body that means the library all that stuff would be in the gulf coast they're looking in the wrong in the wrong ocean what are your thoughts on that derrick like i think and so i don't know because i'm imagining okay like we know that they really have found um these tombs which i have been to in egypt like the king and the queen chamber you know like all of that like if we're gonna say that egypt is here then we have to ask well then what is that over there right yeah so i think that maybe um um like say going back to atlantis there could have been what it seems like to me what would be here is more ancient than what they're finding in egypt right now so it would seem to me that potentially like maybe from atlantis there were different like people dispersed out to different locations or they came to the americas first and then made their way to egypt but it does seem like to it feels like to me that whatever is here in north america that looks like egypt and like parallels it um is even more ancient than what they're finding currently in egypt and even like a lot of the pyramids that were built here um are constructed out of dirt you know what i mean so and then over there they're using stone so even with that like as as you start to make pyramids the first thing you would use is probably dirt you know before you get into making them with stone and i think too like in atlantis i think the pyramid like the technology of the pyramid i see it going back to atlantis and then whatever happened with atlantis people dispersed through various parts of the world so have you ever read the emerald tablets i have a while back i need to read them again he thought thought talks about them um the pyramids and that they you know basically you know the pyramids well i think we kind of know this they weren't burial they weren't just burial places they were used for spiritual purposes they were used as like antennas and he talks about some of his technology some of his information being hidden under these pyramids and i gather to believe that they're they he means the united states not egypt as in where we think it is today and and i could see that that where we are in the southeast having um deeper roots than where and i think too derek you know being american we're americans there has kind of been for the past maybe like 30 years this like propaganda this dumb american propaganda to like discredit americans to make us look dumb to make us feel like our country is not that great and part of me thinks that is because they're hiding something here and they don't want people to be interested in this land they don't want people to be here um i know for my my boyfriend has he's gotten re um really into like you know growing up in the southeast we we it was very common as a child to find arrowheads in your backyard which were the the the tops of the arrows that the terracotta would use in baton you would find them just like little rock arrowheads in your backyard and my boyfriend has been on a mission a mission excuse me to find more artifacts and nowadays i don't know if you know this derek we were kids if you found an arrowhead you just pocketed and kept it nowadays if you find one and you don't turn it into the government you could be in federal prison and which is why like what are you hiding because we're a kid we don't actually all the time like what are you what are you hiding and um you know there's there's so much i know uh you were talking about a map i will say this now too because when we this first happened we kept it quiet because my boyfriend was trying to get it off my boyfriend gained access to um i won't say how but he gained access to the archaeologist department at the university of georgia to their archives typically you have to pay money to get into the archives or be a student but he got access to it because what he was doing he loves to hike so what he was doing was he was going to look at some old maps from like the 1800s to find logging roads because he felt like if he could find old logging roads that would be a good hiking trail he could also probably find some stuff some cool stuff on it and so he was sitting in the other room on his big computer and i didn't know he was doing this and all of a sudden one day i hear him scream bloody murder and told me to get in there i thought i was in trouble i thought i was a kid again like in trouble i see him sitting with his glasses on like looking at this computer screen he's like look at this this is a map it was a map from the 1800s of georgia who's like look at this and i looked at it for a while he goes what do you see egypt on a map from the 1800s and my dad found on a topo map of this area somewhere that says egypt hollow and this is like between here going to the south entrance of lbl like right around the river here but there has to be yeah there's a reason that even if the reasoning wasn't that they thought it was egypt there's a re like i feel like there's a a spirit like i feel like there's no nothing is a coincidence right so the fact that like here we are talking about egypt and we're finding the word egypt on a map it's like 1800 yeah like what did they know that they have not told us yeah well also goes into the idea of um i have to be careful because i want to keep this on youtube i have to be careful about how i say this but the bank that's not a bank that collects our taxes every year i'm not going to say it um they also control our education in the early ninth the 20th century they took over and they created public schools in the united states which i know for public and england that means private and public schools here is government school so free school most people go to them but then they controlled our education so they got to change the education right so what did the people in the 1800s know that we don't know today now um derrick have you heard of the norris dam in tennessee i just heard of it two days ago what i heard yeah i had not heard about it until then but i definitely have some thoughts on it so the norris dam you guys i've talked about this before but this is a dam in um tennessee it's close is it close isn't there not yeah it's eastern tennessee yeah it's very near noxville which is where the university of tennessee is located it's a state park i've been there um now they went in the 20th so 1933 right here early mid 20th century they started this whole campaign in the united states where they were building all these dams to create more water generation for the people well and for power they tell us for power yeah which they did give us power but i i've read like the original documents of starting when they incorporated the tennessee valley authority it and the power set like that was like a little um just like a kind of thrown in there oh and it's also going to give the people power but they were like all types of um like not great ideas that they had when they were starting the tennessee valley authority which essentially drowned they what they did too is they they drowned out they covered things so by creating a dam they literally drowned out a whole village i want to say but the one in norris dam um which i just i got the information through youtube so i don't know if it's all accurate but they were saying that they thought that it was an egyptian temple yeah and temple to isis yeah yeah and tennessee so tennessee actually means the country of isis a sea is isis that's how they spelled isis for a very long time which the scenes which was jesus's group they were the scenes they were the the priests and priests of isis a scene tennessee the country of isis we also know in the grand canyon they found isis temples too correct yeah i think they found some buda like from like buda statues and egyptian stuff which is why does that's on the complete other side of the country right like where is this coming from and something else so cleopatra who was the last ptolemy ruler of egypt before it fell to the romans she um had children one of her sons i think it was alexander he's disappeared from all of our records we nobody knows what happened to this son many people assumed he was probably killed by the romans but i don't know if you're aware of this derrick a few years back maybe like a decade or two ago people in like ohio started to um find egyptian money in their backyards with his name on it um meaning that he ruled at some point and so people started to speculate back then that maybe what happened was he ran from um the romans got a boat got some people and took a boat all the way over to the americas and ruled in the americas well if that's the case why is it not in our history books that's a pretty big deal yeah if he brought a whole bunch of egyptians over to america well first of all wasn't that long ago okay so like cleopatra died like right before the term from what what we are timeline from bc to ad she was like right before right before jesus was born which whatever you know so that was only like 2000 years ago so we know that the vikings came first to the the americas in like a thousand ad so like thousand years later the vikings were coming here we also know before that before the vikings got here there was what a welsh priest who came there's some it's not adding up basically it's not adding up and how could one boy with a boat just one boat bring in a whole civilization in that short amount of time where they're building temples what are your thoughts on that darik i mean going back to i still i think that it like i think probably that temple would predate yep what is going what what they're currently finding in egypt and that's why it makes sense i mean it could be that here was like the original settlement of like the egyptian culture and then it like from this area of the world it's spread out say to the grand canyon other way over to egypt probably other parts of the world but it and just like intuitively sensing into it it it feels like to me like the like the center point is like all coming into the deep south per se that's just like how it intuitively feels to me um and whatever i first started um i was reading it's called some um dreams of isis or it's some book about isis and like egyptian culture and stuff and they were talking about um when they damned they also damned the nile like there's two parts of the nile that goes into one they damned that up and how they just completely messed up the entire ecosystem there and i was like oh that's exactly what's happening here um and then also like with the tigers and euphrates that parallels the tennessee river and the coverlin river which is now kentucky lake and lake barkley and going back to the times of the chirike and chicasol being here they referred to what's now land between the lakes lbl they called it the land between the rivers and that's also what they call in between the tigers and euphrates i've literally got goosebumps i actually was going to ask you you know we're filming right now i was going to ask if you wanted to come back and do a show on the land between the lakes with jessica with a remote viewer because that's a fascinating area that i don't think a lot of our viewers really know much about especially at my viewer i have a lot of viewers from other countries which i love i love that we have such a global community of people here because it's so cool to see other people's perspectives from where they're from and i actually know you know funny thing derrick is a lot of my viewers a lot of our friends watching right now are europeans who believe egypt is in america uh interesting i would like it would be interesting to hear um because as i as i said originally like all this natural just came in through dreams through just like feelings i had literally never heard the concept that egypt might be here it just kind of all came in i was like whoa and then you i heard it from you and then i i started doing some of my own research and realized that it's actually a theory that people think yeah it's and it's something it's one of those things the first time i ever brought it up on my show i was kind of nervous to bring it up because you're like people are gonna think i'm wacky people are gonna think this is the craziest you should ever but then you're like but no there's actual evidence this isn't just some some like theory off the wall theory we have these these strange things we have these dams here i mean lake lenear is people keep asking me to cover lake lenear and i'll i'll i'll eventually get to it which is a lake just outside of atlanta that was drowned a city out and now it's super haunted and super cursed people dying all the time and then uh the norris dam that's they were like they literally picked places where a civilization existed and they dropped it out and my right why they're deaf and whether they were doing it on purpose or not they definitely covered stuff up you know what i mean i think that i think that they conveniently like i mean oh there's an egyptian temple we're building a dam they could have done it somewhere else probably along that pathway of the river you know what i mean so i definitely think that i think that they were already planning on damning stuff and then they it was almost like for for the evil team it was like a beautiful perfect scenario because it was so convenient we're already gonna dam anyway oh my god let's dam the right here how do you know this hide that egyptian temple there you know what i mean so yeah i definitely think that it probably came into their awareness uh but i don't think i don't think that that was i honestly don't think that that was their first reasoning for doing the dams but i think it just conveniently fell into play for them they can hide it yeah because we nowadays like i've said you know now they won't even let you carry any chair or key artifacts you find in your own backyard home or you could go to federal prison why why all of a sudden is there a need is it because when we were kids no one was really tossing this theory around and now we have youtube and everyone's talking about it and people are starting to get get a hold of maps that have interesting information and people are going why why does this map from the 1800s say this why is this somebody's got some explaining to do here like this isn't making this isn't adding up with what we've been taught and you know especially i know i covered the moon eye people on um on Gnostic that the Cherokees which were big that was the big tribe where i live um were very clear that they were not the first inhabitants of this land there was this other group and you guys it's on Gnostic if you want to watch more about the moon eyed people that's on Gnostic TV as well but but they kept saying i felt bad i mean i felt bad for the Cherokee for a lot of reasons but they kept telling the settlers that push people out too and push people out yeah yeah so i noticed on the Cherokee website the Cherokee nation that they so whenever they when the government first made them like go out to Oklahoma and they had to form their own i guess it's like a almost a corporation it's they had to have their own seal for like for government paperwork you know they stamped their the Cherokee seal and they the Cherokee chose um a seven-pointed star so when you have when you have seven points on a star it's either going to be a point facing to the top or the bottom well on the original seal they had the point to the top well i noticed that on their website it had been inverted and so i'm like i'm like i know about inverting the the pentagon you know so i was like are they trying to it's a government trying to further like push the spirit of the Cherokee into the ground you know um so i just pulled it up for you guys to see and that the yeah they totally yeah absolutely so here's one and then yeah there's inversions going on for sure that's like the pentagram everybody thinks the pentagram is bad but the pentagram when it's on its right side up is just the elements of nature what they've done is they flipped it upside down and that's what creates the goats head um so yeah so on that so i so i called them i called the Cherokee Nation i'm like hey i'm just like i'm a guy that lives here in in Tennessee in Kentucky and i noticed this on y'all's website i just wanted to know are y'all aware of this so the first people that i'm talking to they're like what are you talking about um i'm like i'm like y'all originally it was pointed up now it's inverted i'm like i want to make sure that the government didn't do this to y'all being all tricky i'm like or did y'all as a Cherokee Nation decide y'all want to invert it and if so if y'all can fill me in i understand if it's like private information within y'all's culture but if not i would love i'm just curious why is y'all's star now inverted when originally it wasn't so eventually i got to a guy and i could tell that they didn't really know and he was like are you a reporter i'm like no i'm just like curious dude here in Kentucky and i'm john i'm john bill's great great great great great great right so i then i i did ask him um what was there like like origin story like like in y'all's like i've i've heard from from books and here and there but i've never actually talked to to straight to a Cherokee and i'm just curious what is y'all's origin story because i was also at this time interested in Dunbar cave where they had found the like a 10 000 year old symbol right so i'm thinking all right did did the Cherokee originate here is that their story well he told me that their insight story is that they came up from the Caribbean because you hear a lot that they came down from north but he that he told me he told me that they came up from the Caribbean and i've always i've lived the only other places i've lived besides kentucky and tennessee i lived in west palm beach florida um miami florida orderico and um and i traveled to cuba a lot and my husband is from havana and so as soon as he told me that i was like boom i'm like there i was like that's why i've always been gravitated from the Caribbean and up to here you know because i also have the connection to the Cherokee zoom do you know as you're saying that to him i'm also thinking about um marco polo and not marco polo excuse me um the um ponsole on ponsole on and christopher clumbis and these um the soto that's it the soto they came up of course because the story as they tell us i heard somebody say once to me darryl all of us that keep researching were like the more i learned the less i know i had said someone said an english person said to me you know i'll be damned if they tell us actually christopher columbus discovered europe not america like at this point i would not be surprised that those are the typo whoops yeah actually the other way i'll be i i don't nothing would shock me anymore nothing would shock me anymore at this point but if we're looking at the narrative they give us in school when they came up at first columbus and his group his posse found the islands the Caribbean islands before they found the the mother load of the american continent and again christopher columbus as they tell us never believed he'd found a a new a new continent he was obvious it wasn't new there's people there with beautiful temples and stuff exactly well he thought he had found india because that was his whole thing was he's going to get that's why we called it as well we ended up calling the native americans indians because he literally believed he was a stubborn man he was an alcoholic not a very pleasant person if you read his journals i've had to read his journal not a pleasant person at all i think is probably a narcissist but you know um very very me man but his group of explorers they kind of island hopped until they eventually got to florida and florida for those who don't know was owned by the spanish for a very long time doesn't florida mean flower or something um it's a spanish word well there in florida there's a lot of mystical um watering holes i don't know what to call the springs in north florida have you been to these i have i'm surprised that i haven't but i have not but i've seen pictures and i'm like why did i not go there when i lived in florida for so long because they're beautiful they're beautiful it's um it's hold on sorry um it's sorry guys as i told eric i've got a delivery coming at the same time this is this freaking atn t shut down yesterday really screwed everything up so if you see who that's why but okay so i've been when i was a kid i grew up going to wakala springs a lot because my grand my great grandfather had a house in the gulf called the cow palace because he was dairy farmer um and we would stop by wakala springs and then recently i started going to itch the tukney which is near lake city florida and i'm just going to pull up you guys it is the wildest um some of these pictures florida springs it is the beauty of some of these springs the color that comes from these springs is unbelievable yeah it just looks magical it's cold as hell like it's so freaking cold but we know like there's the devil's i think that's the devil's dinner or something it's underground you have to get you can actually get a scuba diving like here's some scuba divers you can actually scuba dive this is near orlando i believe um i mean look at this this is and they're all free it's free entrance you just go in um you can rent like paddle boards and stuff you see clear to the bottom and there's all of these folklore around healing the these springs i can see it looks healing to me just like the energy of looking at the pictures you know there's and i we just risk i recently went to the itch the tukney and uh we did a height we height they have hiking trails too and they they don't let your animals so on which i think is bullshit um so i couldn't be my dog but i ran and i was like i'm just going to jump in they're so cold which i think there's a lot of healing and cold water anyway so i plunged in came out and north florida especially in the summertime guys it's hot like it is so freaking all it's hot so the fact that these this water has stayed very very cold um even when it's really hot outside and it's just i never thought about it as a child but re-exploring this idea that this is egypt and there's something magical here brought me back to these natural springs so i and you know we we hear about um the fountain of youth yeah no um there's big i think it was de sota who was looking for the fountain of youth are constantly on one of the two and there is a rumor that the fountain of youth is actually under a pawn city market here in atlanta that is a rumor but they were looking they were looking for they came up through florida and they heard all these rumors from the net from the natives that there were healing waters in in the area that brought you youth now i don't know if they meant literal you're never going to die or if they meant that they were healing they gave you a sense of your youth back what are your thoughts on that derrick well here i don't know about i mean looking at those pictures i mean i can tell there's healing energy in those locations um and but in this area there is what sulfur wells is what it's called and so and sulfur spring so there used to be like these freshwater springs of like sulfur water that's like shooting out of the ground and people would go there back in the day to heal and they also had these around dunbar cave around adams and clerksville it's dunbar cave is actually in the state park in clerksville tennessee right beside adams and um whenever they they dam whenever they dam the tennessee river with the kentucky dam they just covered it all up so there's like this area where people used to come and heal and the healing waters and they're like no can't can't be doing you can't be doing well it's you done said dunbar cave let me pull it up for you guys so people can see um hopefully this is the correct flip whoops let me do the share screen here um oh yeah well we know to look yeah that's the the oldest art you're to you're talking about right in the dunbar cave yeah they they carbon dated it back to like 10 000 years ago um i'm not sure if they found other stuff or not but that shows that we know for sure that at least 10 000 years ago there were people living in the the sun there that's the one right there this one right here um yes that one is the one i know that they dated this is wild and then not far from there pull up a map of um what is that the military base around here fort campbell all right let me hold this fort campbell yeah so my mom reminded me of this she said that she couldn't remember where she got the information but she remembered reading or seeing somewhere that whenever they were pushing the natives out and before america was even um america the the united states government had already they had zoned in on this location where that's now for campbell and we're like all right that's like the number one spot that we need to make sure we keep in our control which it's right by lbl and we're all about to say i was looking at it's kind of on the border of um tennessee as well right yeah it's right over by like adams too where where john bell with the so here's you guys here's a map you guys can see that that red dot so i'm down here in atlanta you're in kentucky this is this long log looking state is tennessee the country of isis is that as that means this is new orleans the gulf of mexico so the mighty mississippi would come up through this way um now min fist tennessee have you heard about everything that was found in min fist tennessee i i don't know what was found there no so in the early and i i know the pictures are not gonna i i'll see if i still have the picture saved on my phone i sent them to my friend jessica the remote viewer just recently there um so i know they've taken the pictures down now in the early 20th century there was all when there were all these pictures of these big sphinx in min fist like actual sphinx the actual yeah they had like white people sitting on them taking pictures with them like and then they got rid of them why like why why did you guys get rid of them what what do you not want us to know what do you not want us to know and i don't know if you've seen it the tartarian stuff um derrick but there's this great seven hour documentary um that about that goes through tartaria and he poses a really interesting this is what got me like this is what really got me have you ever been to washington dc derrick yes those buildings are gorgeous dc is so mapped out and they're so old these buildings how is it that a bunch of white men and stockings without any electric tools built these buildings same with like all the european old buildings like you look at the shop to these a in paris and it's like you see pictures of people like in mud because there's mud mud not no paved roads but they built this ark with no we can't even replicate the stuff nowadays yeah so his his proposal was these buildings were already here and we know in capitol hill so we're looking at egypt being here in the united states and that would beg the question is the real israel here is the real mesopotamia here and in the capitol and capitol hill the atrium there is a sculpture in the ceiling of madeline why why madeline yeah and if our forefathers who built washington dc didn't even have electrical tools how'd they do that but yeah they weren't paving roads mm-hmm like all of a sudden you sit back and you go how the hell so what are your thoughts on that have you heard that before eric no i've never thought about that um or heard that i mean do we know when the buildings were built do we know that they like do they tell us a time frame they say when they moved um when they whenever they moved to the capitol down to washington dc because the whole story is that was up it was up north and the southerners got pissed because they wanted easy access to the capitol so they moved it to washington dc and they built the capitol then so it would have been a post-american revolution so it would have been probably what well let me look that up when when did dc let's see here quickly when was the us capitol here we go capitol moved to dc but let's see here may 15 1800 i don't know what type of buildings were they building over in europe at that time well europe so a lot of the older buildings in europe is the same thing yeah same thing in europe like okay so you have the chants please a you if you do the oversight of paris you see how they this guy of his his theory is that all these arcs are actually magnets okay it was to help give free energy and that's why um i have to sign out be able to pull the news new screen back up but i'll show you guys the overview of um let's see chants please a i'll say i do think that going back i don't know how far in time it would be but i do like the concept of the fall of atlantis i believe correlates with like we had a fall in human consciousness um i can agree with that for sure you know so definitely like i do think that there would be architecture left over from before the fall which it's kind of in my world i kind of see atlantis the time of atlantis as like pre the fall like when i hear the fall of atlantis it's not so much meaning that an island sank which maybe it did maybe it didn't but to me it's more like um the island of human consciousness sank and we just kind of went into like forget zoned well and i don't even think it was was an island i think it was the whole globe see you see how the the chants please a see how it ricochets out in these perfect geometrical shapes yeah like this guy who did this documentary was like how is that even possible for our ancestors to have built this and in the time period they claim we we built this in and i agree with you i and i and i wonder where the crossover is with the theory of egypt being in in the united states is that more of a leftover from the atlantean experience is that more you know and what's interesting to me about egypt and um thought talks about this in the emerald tablets and i think i told you derrick i have this history book here from the early 1800s it's a little kid's history book and it talks about how the native americans were all races white people black people that they are the people that were already inhabiting this land were all races well if we look at the of thoughts account of the land of kim which is egypt and the fall of atlantis atlantis was all races because the theory is is that all races like we don't you know that they want us to believe that derrick and i are white because our ancestors migrated to northern europe well a lot of people are saying well no it's because of the the 12 tribes of israel would be the 12 galactic forces that's that created humanoids on this planet so if you are a white person you probably have pleidian lyran in you maybe some octurion um if you are black you have a lot of syrian which syrian was a big powerful star system it still is the dogan people still to this day in africa talk a lot you know they have communication with with the the the cirrus star not the radio but the star um so that means that the land of kim or egypt and we still see that in egypt like i'm accorded 23 and me i have i have coped to gegyptian and me you know it's like we still see this hodgepodge of different races living under one as one and we look at the hieroglyphics we see all sorts of races and we've talked about this in my town for the blue people there were blue people too and i posed a question a question where the blue people go and my friend angie found them in kentucky there are blue people in kentucky everything's in kentucky everything's in kentucky so then that goes back to appalachia right we talked about appalachia with it i had how do you think appalachia plays into all this because appalachia is wild you guys like it's wild i mean it feels that like appalachian um the blue ridge mountains just all of that going in like where i am right here it's not super mountainy it's kind of getting into like the hills and it just it feels very ancient to me so like for some reason i just like they they say that everyone moved into this area from somewhere even like the natives but i just i have like this something telling me that they're like right here in this area was like it was like an origination point however humans came about right we still don't know that or do we just like pop in one day like hey you know what i mean jazz hands we're here we're here or did someone bring a big egg and it cracked and who knows right we don't know how like that first how we first came into like the material world i think we were more like came in from the spirit and and did kind of just evolve to being here but i think that there was like we have these portals within the earth right and i think that there's a main portal connect with like the appalachian mountains and all of that that was like a literal origination point of boom here's a human however that happened it had to happen somewhere right yeah i and that that that's kind of in my thought too because we hear like life started in africa then we hear the um the fertile crescent could have been in place but what if all of that actually was here in and the united states and it's amazing to me um derrick how brainwashing brain mind control people get because they get so triggered when you say that i'm like in my in my opinion as brice as a person off of youtube justice myself it doesn't matter really matter to me where we originated we originated somewhere i just don't know where well i think that different races popped in probably at the same time in different places yeah like it doesn't make sense like they say oh people have black skin because they they were lived where it's super sunny and like i don't know it just doesn't feel right now you know what i mean we're from the south derrick you know like it's hot as held on here and and they're saying this taking over millions millions of years but i haven't noticed in the however many years they say my ancestors have been here i haven't noticed huge changes and yeah if anything our hair's gotten even blonder being in the heat you know because yeah if you're lucky enough to grow up swimming in chlorine pools your hair turns green in the summer too when you're blonde yeah um and like whenever i imagine like the like mother earth like in a human form for i some reason i do see it as a black woman like a black female like queen bee mother right i see it as a black african lady and i do and i could see there be there's got to be like a birth portal in africa too i think so i literally think that they're however it happened all the why there are so many different races is because we all like have our own little like a origination point somewhere on earth well you know it's interesting because like i said the cirrus the star cirrus was such a powerful influence in the creation story of this planet in our cultures in this planet and that is predominantly where a lot of black people originate from so that could make sense why you see the image of a black woman because that is one of the main um the main dominant and this is all theory guys like don't they say that cirrus is the like mother star to our son yep you know so without cirrus our son would never be here and therefore we would never be here you know absolutely on the do gone people i mean i'll i'll link those videos down in the description box but you got two guys because i've spoken about the do gone people with hillis my friend hillis they still they still aren't communication with with humanoid beings from from cirrus and um yeah and i wish want to make this very clear guys this is all theory that we're speculating right now so don't you know for the academics watching i'm an academic too you guys i'm a researcher i'm but it you know as as aerostodal said is it is a sign of an intelligent mind when you can entertain an idea without accepting it and that's something i would ask people like entertain these ideas like what if what they've told us in our history isn't true like what if if there's more to the american continent than they've led us to believe yeah that's what we're asking what if and why why on earth now i can i have a hard time controlling my dog on a leash i can't even control my dog on a leash i'm not i have no interest in trying to control another human being to me that stresses me out like if i had to if somebody came today and said brice i'm gonna make you ahead of the new world new world order i'd be like no no no no no no no like i can't that's too that's too overwhelming for me so i don't understand that mind can that mind that that mind wanting to control everything so my question is why do you guys want to hide this from us why if you don't want us to think that there's any type of conspiracy going on then tell us the truth and maybe they like one reason like a logical reason could be that whenever they formed america they're coming over they like they're bringing their culture with them and they already have they already have their history books and their story and so what as soon as they came over here they were putting the native they were putting natives in um european school right like so that they were already trying to brainwash people so they probably got over here and they started seeing all this stuff that literally blew their their history out of the water so they're like get rid of everything because what are we gonna we're gonna have to rewrite our history books real quick do you remember that movie notting hill which yes germany falls down it goes whoopsie daisy that's what my favorite i always think about and that's why i see like the people going whoopsie daisy whoopsie daisy whoopsie daisy um so yeah i i think too that there is some sort of of you know when you look at the law of one the dark side the dark polarity they hide their knowledge they make it so you have to earn it in secrecy but the positive polarity shares their knowledge right so if i discover something interesting i'm gonna want to share it that's my natural inclination is to get on youtube like oh my god guys look what i found like i want to hear what other people have to say i don't want to hide anything so i'm wondering too if that there isn't some sort of technology if there isn't some sort of elixir that you know we talk about these springs i mean they're the springs in florida are available to the public but if they're available to the public and i think they can heal what isn't available to the public what's being hidden and that's and that's what i i kind of want to like shake the powers that being like if you don't want people to think there's a conspiracy then be honest with us yeah if you accidentally flooded i don't ban my account whenever i question you exactly i'm looking at you church um if you're if you believe so strongly in your free mason bible then you want to shadow ban me right so you know it's like i just we already know i mean we you're saying like you know we look at like we talk about the whitewashing of things like we look at um i don't get it wrong guys european culture is a beautiful culture i mean both derrick and our white people i'm just saying like when we try to dominate um certain theories or certain uh chains of belief on to other people it messes it up for everyone including the ones trying to dominate you know we all lose we all lose when we can't recognize the truth you know even look at like the jesus character yashua the painting of jesus that everyone has in their house is actually of cesarei borja that's cesarei borja who was the pope at the time son who was horrifically abusive to people so and then but then you tell people that they get so triggered they get so triggered it's like you really think that this jesus guy had white was white skinned blue eyed and had panting probie hair in the desert yeah herbal essence commercial essence you know like no you know he's probably you're he's probably a little dirty they probably all were have you walked through the desert and flip flops it's not clean um you know obviously he at least had a sundan at least give him that he had a sundan you know um probably did not have blue eyes we know magdalene did but she's connected through the druid line which is the Celtic line which comes from the kontekian which is another planet system that you know the casupians have talked about this so we know that magdalene did have that druid descent within her that she did that is absolutely spoken about that she was connected to druid so that would lead us to believe that she probably looked more like derrick and me but her husband was black and how is it then if we look at that reality of this forgotten time that the real magdalene and the real yashua were an interracial couple and that wasn't any big deal in america in america and that wasn't a big deal back then they didn't care did they know something did those people know something about our origin that we don't know that that they accepted they all all the different colors of the planet came from different planetary systems and we but we were all we were all but be by by by the privilege of being born on this rock that makes us all earthlings so did they not even give a shit about you know it's like it just it opens up it's like that all the more you learn the less you know right like it opens up even more questions yeah and i think a big part too is that the government for whatever reason they do want us to be relied rely they want us to rely upon the government you know they don't want us to be completely independent and not need them to question and that's all for you guys it's all questioning like i said if you if someone comes up and says no this is the truth they got on a boat they brought the culture here from the lot and you had the evidence to back it i'd be cool with that i just want to know why it's being hidden and why why are all there why are all these different these weird things about like you said the land between the rivers the two the two like that gave me chill bumps like that made me like almost crap my pants i was like okay even more evidence that there's something something stinks and Denmark something stinks in the United States like what are you not telling us yeah you know the whole Salem witch trials there's a whole theory that the people who were killed out in these witch trials not just here in america they were also happening in europe were the the old priest and priestesses of tartaria they were using i mean let's be honest eric if they had witch trials today you and i both would probably be i'll be gone for me too unless i could get my witch powers going real good as long as i have an outfit like sarah deska parkers and hocus pocus i'll be fine you know you know i i just um and there's this whole book here i've where do i still have and and like with the witch thing too why did they portray the witch as being so evil yeah like why are they so against people doing white magic all which means is white as wise woman that's all it means so there's this book uh uh catastrophe phobia catastrophe phobia and it talks about how we start to over time get ingrained with irrational fears because of past catastrophes like so many people are afraid of water because of all of the um flooding stories which i think go back to atlantis so a lot of people have these fear of water and it goes back to this massive catastrophe that happened well another catastrophe that happened was the witch trials and we know that these for the majority that their people were using natural medicines were using herbs homeopathic midwifery like they were they were the healers but they all were massively exterminated and so there was a catastrophe phobia fear that all of a sudden people started to reject homeopathic healing because it's because it's subconsciously it brought them back to the genetic memory of practicing that i think even when some like call it like a natural witch like people who have natural healing abilities say they start to accidentally discover those things also like what with with what you're saying i think a lot of people get scared of oh am i evil am i doing something wrong they're scared to even tap into that part of themselves which i see is a natural like the fact that we can heal naturally with energy we can use our minds to heal i think that like say if i've imagined if an asteroid's coming at the earth right and we're like oh it's doomsday well if everyone's in fear on the planet it's probably going to be doomsday but if all the planet came together i i literally think that we have it within our soul and our being in our makeup if we all just use our mind which this would be witchcraft but using it like i would call this white magic if we just all concentrate at the same time with this asteroid not hitting earth it would literally go to the other great we create matter and that's the thing people forget is that what came first the chicken or the egg well and in spiritual worlds we spirit came first consciousness created matter so consciousness created matter that we have matter under our control and i've done some shows with sean stone before do you know who sean stone is all over stone son the director all over stone all over stone of course has done some he's an academy ward winner done some big um big whistleblower type movies but he wrote up a good point he talked about like in hollywood the director kind of controls the shot controls like the angle in which the camera is facing the music the how close the camera gets the person's face so therefore therefore the director is controlling your reaction that's the storytelling aspect right if you hang the camera from another direction and play different music it might have a different emotional response than vice versa so if we think about that from a collective consciousness perspective if we're all under mass hypnosis the powers that we know this so they control this narrative to put us under mass hypnosis so that we inadvertently use our magic that we all have within ourselves to fulfill their desires they know that so it's kind of what you're saying they get us to focus on one thing and then it blows up and gets out of proportion because we're all focusing our attention on that one thing but if we took that power back and realized that it's our magic they're using they're not using their magic they're using our magic they're manipulating our magic and that's like i see like them they're they're kind of all out of magic like as you said the dark they can't create it's like not that they don't have that innate ability within them but they like if you the darker you get them like you're a little you're cut off from spirit all of your creative forces are just gone you're gone they have to use us yeah so that's why that's why when you understand that that's why you understand why they do these the rituals they do with young and animal because of the purity of spirit they want they want to try to take that in you know they use the dams i'm pretty i don't have any type of like um i do have one story it would take too long to say right now but about a dam an experience at a dam but i just i can sense it that they're using the energy that they're creating via the dams to do some some dam stuff i don't know what that feels like the Hoover dam the Hoover dam's right there near Las Vegas correct it's right there near the Graham Canyon it's right there you know it's and that's one thing that i love about the Native American culture as well it's so funny because i think they embrace this more and they openly talk about this more than we do and i follow there's actually an account on instagram that i follow it's the Native American accounts and they post really interesting stuff but then they start they post funny stuff too and it's like when i first when i saw this morning it's like when i first bring my white friend to the reservation and it's showing them like sitting in their house the guy's playing both parts himself and his white friend the white family count the wedding going well look at the coyote look at that coyote goes why is the coyote standing on its hind legs why is the coyote's eyes changing color and the friend goes shut the window he's like what goes no to just shut the window they shut the window his friend goes why am i hearing my mom's voice and the the Native American goes i'm hearing my mom's voice is okay just keep the window shut and it's you know obviously they're talking there they're making fun of the whole shape shifters right the the skin walkers and um but the fact that like it's just so nonchalantly spoken about in Native American culture but yet we call it folklore and it's not real and it's just a legend but they openly talk about this idea and i think if we were raised from a very young age knowing that magic exists that shape shifting exists and that we control it within ourselves the world would probably be back to where it was with Atlantis because we want Atlantis they had far more superior technology than we have today you know a lot of us spiritual i call it spiritual technology i think there was probably also mechanical like you have the dark and the light probably back then too right so that's how it fell because it'll dark yeah yeah yeah but a lot of it yeah there were the the good magicians who were using it like it's all internal they could do the same thing that the say like technology i think we're going to say we get to the point of like making portals but if we're making the portals by using technology i'm not going to go through a portal that they created via technology i only want to go through one that was naturally created via the spirit you know absolutely absolutely for sure for sure for sure i would totally agree with you on that because we've we've seen with their we've seen their agenda i don't want to be part of that no thank you i'm not sure that connects with Egypt but i do just like i i see like where humanity is going it's like as those technologies are are developed in the tech world like there's going to be the parallel of people are going to come into those types of realizations in the spirit world too so i think we will get back to those times of Atlantis when more and more people are learning making astro travel i learned like i learned a couple years ago that i've been astro traveling my whole life and i hadn't i knew i knew when something was happening to me but i know what it was yeah and when i learned what it was and i learned that feeling and getting my body is when that's happening i was like oh that makes a lot of sense and a lot of people actually do this and when we start to learn what it is we can then control it better yeah and how to remote view i mean my friend jessica i know we're gonna i want to do some shows with you and her as well she she taught me how she does this and i i give i know how to give her uh blind targets now you know for her it's it's super simple if you're willing to listen and we all have these abilities and that might have been the biggest difference is that that might be why america is so mysterious in a lot of ways and why they try to hide things from us maybe this was a concentration of people that knew how to do this and that energy is still here in this land i mean that's why i think that they named it lana used to be called elizabeth's town and they changed its name why do they change its name to alana well because the atlantic ocean well why is the atlantic ocean called the atlantic ocean does it have anything to do with atlantis probably probably probably so there's there's all these things and i i actually just got finished uh filming derek with kathie o bryan you know who she is kathie and she's a survivor of the most horrific stuff going on i won't because i'll because of youtube anyway um oh she keeps saying that she's like we're we're winning like the good is winning it might be hard to see that now but we're waking up but just because we're waking up we've taken so much of our power back just by waking up just by having an awakening yeah yeah so well guys and every one over an hour this is such a fun conversation derek i cannot wait to see what our friends watching have to say like your thoughts and your opinions i still want to hear what you guys have to say i know a lot of people watching right now are kind of in agreement with us and again i want to you know i want to just make this clear like all we're doing is just talking about a theory you guys like we don't have all the answers but this is the first time i've ever talked about it publicly i've talked except with my parents so my parents probably think i'll bash it crazy um no my parents are excited to watch this show but uh no i'm very interested of other how other people came in to the ideas or just like there's one thing like like you read some stuff and it just doesn't feel right but then you read some stuff and you connect with it right so i would be interested to hear from other people especially from europe for some reason um of how and why it makes sense to to you you know that america might be well because if that's the case if it's that is the truth if america is the origin point of america is each of them that means that this land is literally your land in my land as we sing in songs we were kids we were kids about his family's your land this man is my land so for the europeans this would be their home base as well you know and um and there's a reason why america is called the melting pot uh you know maybe maybe it's because it's always been maybe i i don't know but the thing is is again is we're not if you're if you're new to this it's the first time you're hearing this theory derrick and i aren't entertaining this idea because there's no evidence we're entertaining this idea because there's a lot of evidence that makes you scratch your head and go one thing might be a coincidence two things three things four things five things six things seven things is a conspiracy yeah and especially because i had dreams about it first and then i came into um like actual data on it i know just from experience that there's something to it it may not be it may not be that this that ancient egypt is in america but if that's not it there's still something to do with nothing else yeah there's something something we don't know there's too much evidence there's too much proof there's too much you know one thing that drives me crazy is when the government comes around and says you can't go to this land who says what made who gave you the authority to tell me that i can't walk on land like what that's not listen in our constitution the people rule the country not you you work for us we don't work for you so what what you mean i can't there's certain parts of the grand canyon for my own safety since when has them have america's been worried about safety what are you talking about you're not concerned about my safety let's let's be real you are not concerned about my safety what don't you want me to see yeah what don't you want the average joe schmo to see because the average joe schmo is super smart and super magical and i think they fear if we see something it will wake us up in a tunas to the truth and once as somebody once said i think it's the great you know there's all these great things like you can't unring a bell my favorite scene saying you can't get the shit back in the horse uh it's already out so yeah i'd love to hear you guys i'd love to hear your perspectives i'd love to hear um everything you guys have to if you've seen the moon eyed key or the moon eyed key the moon eyed people moon eyed key is a peruvian lineage but the moon eyed people um if you've seen that let me know your thoughts that's a vergnostic tv i'll put those links down there too because derrick you've been and i can't wait to do more with you derrick hopefully we'll get more i want to do land between the lakes with you as well because i'm in between the lakes that's close to here and i know my friend jessica does a lot of work yeah we need to get her actually i watched her episode on ancient egypt in america last night and after watching that i had to shoot her an email and i mentioned that three of us should get together i gotta go catch up her shows last yesterday guys before we end out if you're in the south eastern part of the united states and you have att like i do derrick's on verizon so he missed out all the fun yesterday but lord have mercy i don't know what happened with att yesterday but my whole day got flushed down the toilet because all the sudden somebody somebody forgot to flick a switch because it just so i've got a lot to catch up on so anyway you guys well i can't wait i definitely want to do land between the lakes because that's that's new information to me as well and it's so close to where we live and i love discovering these new things so all right you guys so derrick i'm going to put your instagram down in the description box below for people um i know you used to have a youtube channel are you going to reopen it anytime soon i might okay well if you do let me know and we'll we'll put it out there and we'll get i am i'm thinking about it i just have to make that decision i did start an etsy account okay it's i'll send you the link for that text me the link i'll put it in the description box as well um because we we on on this channel we definitely like to support each other and help each other out because as rom dos my favorite teacher of all time the late rom dos said we're all just walking each other home you know that home that home for all of us might just be america who knows at this point who knows so so well thank you so much derrick i cannot wait to do this again and thank you guys so much for watching um let i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i'll i'll i'll ask you guys your opinion in the comment section but i also want to know if you are from europe or africa or asia or australia and it can't canada if there's something very mysterious and weird about your continent or your country as well and that's making you kind of question your own history maybe just mention a little bit about the comment section and i'll look into it we'll see what we can find because some has got to give you guys it's all connected and it's not us versus us it's never been us we're all in the same team we're all in the same team it's us versus them so um so anyway well i hope you guys are having a wonderful wonderful weekend and start to your weekend and derrick and i will talk to you guys very soon bye everybody


This is Mises Weekends with your host, Jeff Dice. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back once again. It's Mises Weekends. We're joined in studio by our friend from across the street at Auburn University, Dr. Liliana Stern, who obtained her PhD at the University of Indiana. Liliana, it's great to see you. Pleasure being here. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, well, obviously we know a lot of people on the faculty at Auburn, and we interact. Dr. Solerno and Dr. Thornton both teach there from time to time, but it's great to have you in studio, and it's great to have you talking about our topic this week, which is millennials and socialism, and whether socialism is regaining a foothold in the West, or whether it ever really lost one. First and foremost, just tell us a little bit about your own background. Born in Ukraine, and you live there as a girl, and you live there through the collapse of the former Soviet Union, what was your childhood like? Well, I was born in the Soviet Union. Ukraine, which was one of the 15 republics, and I was still there when it all collapsed, and in 1991, when Ukraine was one of the first republics to gain independence, I guess, and everybody else followed. So I witnessed all of the mess that followed after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and I moved to the United States when I was 24 years old. So I've been living here since 2000. So we were talking off camera, that in your childhood, you thought of yourself as a Russian citizen, not as a Soviet citizen, not as a Ukrainian, whereas in the United States, people have an identity based on Texas or where they're from, and that you felt that the Soviet Union would have discouraged any sort of Ukrainian nationalism. Yes, they try. I think that's one of the things that they try to do is just kind of discourage all these 15 republics keeping their national identity. So everybody was a Soviet citizen, so they tried to equalize everybody, so they all equal, we are all Soviet citizens. So there was no Ukrainian identity, Moldovan or Belorussian, so we are all the citizens of the Soviet Union. So I think in that way, they kind of tried to keep the masses under control, I guess, so that you don't identify with something else, so you're all citizens of the Soviet Union. Growing up, what were your conceptions of capitalism and did you consider your economy communist or did you have another conception of it? The conceptions that we had primarily came from textbooks and the stories they were telling us, which means brainwashing us, and later on, when it was getting close to the collapse of the Soviet Union, when some Americans were brave enough to come since I spoke fluent English at that time, I spoke to some just people, American people, and I figured out very quickly, so all the stories we were told were very untrue, like little kids, you know, slaving around, working in a sweatshop. That was the main thing that was in every textbook in elementary school.  So also pictures of like homeless people on the street, people starving, and so that was, but then I don't remember when I met the first American, it was probably like 1989 or 88, he was an older guy, I think he was like a retired school teacher, he was just traveling, had some family, and I just wanted to, I don't know, speak, I guess English was someone with a native speaker, and so we started speaking, talking to him a little bit and he was just telling me, you know, I asked him about sweatshops and little kids, like having to work whenever eight or nine years old and he's like, there is nothing like that, it's not true. So that was my first kind of shock.  Well, during your childhood, did you feel materially deprived or did things seem normal to you in terms of your standard of living? I think, I don't think I was deprived, I guess, because we did not realize how much things we were probably deprived of, if that makes sense. That, you know, we had food and we had shelter, we lived in like ugly, you know, government built apartment, so we had an apartment to live in and we had like basic food, so basic needs for satisfied. So we didn't realize that I guess, you know, we were deprived of many other opportunities. So when you kind of live in this bubble, you don't know how things are outside of it, you don't even realize how bad you have it. Right, but did you have a sense growing up of upward mobility or opportunity in life or did you feel like societies are very closed in that you were going to have a certain standard of living and that was it? No, we pretty much grew up thinking that, you know, this is it, like, we're just gonna stay here and this is how your life will be. So you look at your parents and your grandparents and we did not think of anything else, any other opportunities, you know, later on when there was like something in the air that, you know, it may all collapse, you know, the Soviet Union, then we probably start thinking, in my case, I was just, I wanted to go somewhere and get education and travel, so that was my main thing because I think I was just very curious to see how are the other countries, I would like to go to Europe. We went to Poland and Czech Republic, but that, you know, just the Soviet block, Eastern European and Central, but my mom went to Germany, it was East Germany, but still when she came back, she was just, she was, you know, she had a great time and I guess even Eastern Germany was much better than Soviet Union. So she came back with a lot of memories and she was very impressed with everything and then I guess she was telling us and that's where I got these, you know, ideas that like one day maybe I'll be able to travel maybe even study somewhere else in some different country. But when I was young, we didn't even think, I mean, it's pretty much like anything else did not exist. So it was just Soviet Union and you just lived in this country and you like, you would not be able to go anywhere else.  So was it a result of moving to the United States or reading certain books or certain thinkers that made you become friendly towards free markets and capitalism or was it a natural evolution? How did that occur? Yeah, I think, you know, first of all, I've just got this opportunity to get my master's degree from American program in Ukraine and that's kind of opened up my mind because all my professors were Americans and they were all very friendly and they were all very helpful and like mentors.   So I think this is when I kind of got exposed to American culture and being around a lot of Americans. And then I was, we were just hanging out and like going to American embassies or there were parties, so they invited us. So we kind of integrated a little bit in that small American community in key of Ukraine. And then, you know, I got really curious and wanted to apply to graduate schools. And I guess when I started like hanging out with American people, that's when I realized how messed up our system was and that we were brainwashed and like 90% of things we were told about the Western world were not true, we're just lies. So, but I think it was a slow process, you know, just like even like today, I discover some things and I look back and I kind of analyze. Well, so fast forward, you get your PhD in economics at Indiana, you become a professor of eventually here at Auburn. What do you think of the American kids you teach, the undergrads, I know you teach macro and money and banking. What's your impression of them? Do they understand capitalism? Do they understand communism? Do they have a sense of how lucky they are? Most of them don't. And that's what I'm trying to change a little bit.  And I try to talk to them, which I think is very shocking to them because they don't expect this from a professor in a large section. So they expect someone to come read of PowerPoints and then they don't expect a professor to walk around and ask them questions. And like, what do you guys think? And especially if I give them examples from Soviet Union and I was like, why do you think there wasn't a production of chewing gum in Ukraine when I talked about, you know, different markets, different economic system and they, so they kind of taken it back a little bit, so it takes them a while to start, you know, talking back to me. But what I find is that most of them just take everything for granted and they don't realize how lucky they are. But a lot of them, after they take my class, they would, you know, come to my office the following semester and say like, thank you so much for all these stories. You opened up my mind so much. You changed my perspectives in life. And I figured out that we are very lucky and that I never thought about the opportunities we have, but you told us that, guys, you're so lucky. A lot of people like don't have like 50% of the opportunities you have in this country. And I said, some people saying that an opportunity they, most of them just lazy, they don't want to explore those opportunities. And I say, if a girl from a Soviet Union had an opportunity to come here and get a PhD with having zero family members with $500 in my pocket, I was 24 year old, which is by American standards, very young. Then you have all opportunities you can only dream of. So, but a lot of them, they don't realize that. I mean, they don't even think about it. They just, I don't think they have this, you know, they can analyze things. They just, okay, yeah, we have water. And I was like, did you think that not all, everybody has water, hot water all the time, even today in Ukraine, you know, my parents have, they go back, they got hot water two hours per day, I think. So one hour in the morning when everybody getting ready for work, one hour in the evening. And then cold water is also Russian. So it's natural gas and electricity. And it's not just Ukraine, a lot of other countries. And they, some of them will say that I made all these scary stories up about the socialism. So I'm trying to scare them and I exaggerate. Yeah, so I got comments like that. But most of them will believe me and they tell, like, thank you for making me rethink things and for making, for changing the perspectives. And, but I did get some comments saying that, you know, oh, she just makes up these scary stories about growing up in the Soviet Union. Wow. Like I tell them, you know, about socialized healthcare. And I said that, well, raise your hand if you wanna have a root canal done without any anesthetic.  I said, well, I had it done.  And I said, I know it's hard to believe. And then, but those who are smart, they would say like, they would ask questions. Like, why couldn't you have any anesthetic? I said, because the government decided who gets anesthetic, they were rationed and only people got painkillers and anesthetics for major surgeries, like heart surgeries, abdominal surgeries. There was no painkillers used in dental care whatsoever in the Soviet Union. I said, here you go to the dentist. Some people have different sensitivity levels.  You won't feel anything. In the Soviet Union, you did not have the choice.  I said, I finally overcame fears of dentists here. And it took me like five years. I was just panically afraid of dentists. So some of them say I made it up and it never happened. You know, and stories like that. So they don't believe, but most of them will believe it and they, you know, they would be like, wow, we never knew this was going on, you know. That's a great story right there. You should bring your parents in to give a lecture about the Cold War era in the Soviet Union. I bet that would be a great learning experience. Well, we're talking about millennials and kids. I don't know if you saw this poll that came out the other day claiming that about 44% of millennials' most popular socioeconomic order was socialism. This was a study conducted by the Victims of Communist Memorial Foundation. What do you think about that when you hear it? What was the percentage? About 44%. They favor like socialism. Would you choose socialism as a socioeconomic system? Is that shock you or does that make sense? It makes sense to me because I teach so many of these young kids and what I find a little bit shocking how uncapable they are surviving in real world. They kind of live in their little bubble and a lot of them, you know, moms keep track of their exams and assignments. Even in college? Yeah. They would call me and ask, like, how is Johnny doing in your class? I was like, sorry, ma'am, I cannot discuss it with you. It's a private student. So parents of undergraduates call you? Yeah.  I don't even know who your son is. I have 300 students or, I mean, yeah, I had multiple parents call me. So it's a result of helicopter parenting, I think, I see a big fold of nowadays parents being just too protective and like not preparing them for real life. So, you know, just, I don't know, acting around their kids like they are five-year-old when they are 20 or 25. And these kids, they just, a lot of them just completely detached from reality, I think, and they are not prepared to deal with any kind of emotional stress or anything like that. So they just, they break down like anything. It's like, I even make jokes in my class. I was like, everybody is offended by everything nowadays.  You can't say Merry Christmas. You can't say this. It's ridiculous. And I tell people, my relatives, you know, died in Siberian camps. You think I care? You get offended by something I say. Just like to me, it's very, it's ridiculous. But it's true. A lot of them are just so fragile and they can't handle any real life, serious situation, I think. So I am not surprised by the fact that they favor socialism because they think since they are not capable of dealing with anything, they just think of someone else should take care of their problem. Either it's a mom or a dad, a mom who calls the professor and keeps track of the exams, wakes them up for the exams. Oh, my mom forgot to wake me up for your exam. That's an excuse. So they think, I'm not surprised at all because they think that, you know, someone else should take care of their problem. Someone else should make decisions for them. Let me ask you this. How would you respond to critics who say, well, Liliana, that may be true in an authoritarian system like Russia, the former Soviet Union where you grew up. But what about Scandinavian countries? In other words, soft socialism, it doesn't have to be authoritarianism and socialism can work. The social markets economy, I think that's what people economists like to call them, right, like Sweden and I guess UK have some elements of it like social life, healthcare. But I have very close friends who live in those countries and they're all very unhappy with the system. And essentially what they told me that it's just the same problems that they experienced growing up in the Soviet Union. Hospitals, Sweden, UK, awful. You get any serious problems, you cannot see a specialist. So I had a student actually from Indiana who was going to San Andrews College, which is a very elite, I think all the royal family go. So he's from a very wealthy family from New Orleans. He had some serious condition, asthma and something else, chronic condition. He just could not see a doctor. So his parents had to buy him tickets, lay him back to Louisiana. So, and I have other examples like that. One of my friends from Ukraine went to get PhD at the Stockholm School of Economics. So essentially telling me the same things, especially about healthcare, that it's just the same problems.  And then the quality of care you get is just not, it's not the famous you get in the United States, for example. What do you think then about this trend, which I think is growing of voices advocating single payer healthcare in the United States? People don't know what a disaster it could be. I just think people, I don't want to sound like rude, but I think a lot of people just ignorant and they don't know. You need to tell them. What does that mean? I do tell them. I tell my students, I said, you have no idea, guys. Let me tell you, and you know, I never give some examples from some textbook. I give them some crazy formula or graph. I just tell them my personal examples. I said, this is an example of how it's gonna be. And I tell them, this is an example, you have everything controlled by the government. You don't have basic goods like dental floss. I said, I've never heard of dental floss before I came to this country. And to use this is such a basic thing. It's just, you know, personal hygiene item that you don't even think twice about it. It's like it always existed. But I said, why didn't they have it in the Soviet Union because the government control all the funds, right? So they put all the funds into making, I don't know, some bomb or something to fight evil capitalists instead of making chewing gum for kids or making dental floss for people. So I think in many cases when people say, oh, we would like social, they just don't really know what that system means and what it's gonna mean in terms of their lifestyle. They've never lived in a system like that. They probably heard something from someone and it just sounds like an attractive option. Well, someone solve all my problems. The government will make all decisions for me. And I think that's why millennials, it's so popular because they're just not capable of making any decisions and dealing with real life situations. So I think if there is someone kind of like a parenting figure, you know, it used to be mom and dad. Now it's gonna be whoever, a government who makes decisions for me. But this isn't an abstraction necessarily. Bernie Sanders by some accounts almost beat Hillary Clinton as the nominee for the Democratic Party last time around. And Trump is not exactly a free marketer either. So does it worry you having come from an Eastern country that now in the West, we seem to be trending in the wrong direction? Yes, a lot. So I tell people all the time, it's just, it's very worrisome to me that like, I was trying to get away from that whole system. I came over here and it's very scary for me to see that it's kind of following me and all these, that people actually wanted. I was like, I tried so hard to go overseas to get away from this whole system. And it's really scary to me that, you know, it will may all come here that becoming so popular here. Final question for you. I know you have three young boys. Yes. Do you talk to them about your childhood experiences and do you try to create in them an attitude of gratitude for all the abundance in America? All the time. And I think I try to remind them that they are very lucky and how many opportunities they have like that I didn't have growing up. So I just try to remind them especially when, you know, like Christmas time.  This stuff doesn't matter. Just materialistic things. And in terms of opportunities, just I was thinking about that because they've been playing tennis for a while. So my oldest one, like for three years and I just started taking lessons because now I just sit at the court with them. Always wanted to know how to play tennis. So I started taking lessons this summer. And of course they've been playing for two years.  You don't know how to play. And I said, boys, I did not have the opportunities that you have. It's not funny. So just think about it. Your mom is over 40 years old and now, you know, I can learn things that you are learning at such young age. My parents did not have money to give me all the private swimming lessons, tennis lessons, piano lessons that you all have, you know, you can take here. And to them, so I just, you know, try to remind them every day that I was not as lucky as they are. And I didn't have that many opportunities. And I think sometimes they make fun of me that I always like to take classes and learn. I take a lot of like open outreach classes. So, you know, I have too many hobbies. I do flower arranging. I do Ikebana, which is Japanese flower arranging. I do photography and all these things I learned here. I've taken, you know, the cake decorating class and I just tell them like, I did not have these opportunities when I was young that a lot of kids have in this country. That's why I'm so, you know, hungry for knowledge because I see these opportunities now that I can learn so many different things. So it's just really exciting to me, but even my own boys, you know, I keep reminding them that you're very lucky. They are lucky and with their mom and dad, both being Econ PhD professors, I'm sure they won't be lacking for brain power. Liliana Stern, Dr. Stern, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having me. Ladies and gentlemen, have a great weekend. Subscribe to Mises Weekends via iTunes U, Stitcher and SoundCloud, or listen on Mises.org and YouTube.


I have 432. Someone might catch the door. Sorry. I'll see when I get that one. I'm coming back. We need to do an official roll call. Yeah, so I don't even know.  Probably technically. Then do we have any problems to be heard? Okay. Does everyone have a chance to look over the minutes from August? Any questions? Anything that needs to be amended? Can I get a vote for approval of the minutes? Sure. Can I print for a second? Okay. Then we have no accessions to the chamber. I'll load it up. Then we'll vote on approval of the minutes. Yes. No accessions. Highlights, ground breaking, and we've got, we've got a little campaign was big success. We have about 90 people there. Way more than we were anticipating. So really great. We've got a lot of great comments about that. And we get a number of donations from our artists from the Stewart Family Foundation. They included another million for their projects that are great. And it's over. And thanks to those of you that were able to make it and some had trouble on the way. So we will be really heavily pushing the cattle campaign from now until November and then really through or on Tuesday. So it's back to here a lot about that. And I'll just say again is super helpful if we can say we're talking to donors and lenders that we have 100% participation in our awards. So doesn't have to be a large amount because it really does help out. On exhibits we have a new exhibit on the 2013 flood of all here. This was put together by our museum assistants. There are two young women. They're all half-time. I can start as interns. Now our half-time museum employees now beyond the King. They basically took this whole piece from the start to the end. Really great job. They did a lot of great collaborations. A Fox 31 news exhibit and a nice use of this space. In fact, it's popular enough we're actually getting people to come to the end when this is being used for a meeting and we can't see the flood exhibit. We're going to do some signage to them. But then this will be up about a year. Justin talking more about auditorium programming during these tours on to education. The thing I want to highlight here is our Day of the Dead exhibit celebration. We're going to have a look at that. Particularly October 14 is the big event day. It's a really good opportunity and you'd like to volunteer at a museum event. If you're interested please let me know or contact our volunteer coordinator for the collection. We booked up with some part of that event. Lots of volunteers and great opportunity to see the museum's biggest real signature which here is downtown. Food trucks and vendors and music and we will also still have the exhibition here in a small auditorium of older years and also Noche Noche didn't do the sale. On the actual Day of the Dead on the third cycle. Collections we are taking a little break from the donations. Come in so you may see some next month from downtown. Just given the fact that we are one short-stout member and two good portion of what was our storage and staging area is currently under construction. Taking a bit of a break. It's part of public places that are important as the photos of the shop part offices that were selected. So it's painted from downtown and built on the capital campaign. We've had really great marketing from the agriculture exhibit and the CBS news hour and all of you have a lot of great coverage around the capital. And then the last thing I'll mention is that we have a great volunteer distributing produce baskets from flowers from the fourth year we've done that in particular format. We're volunteers. You all on board but most of you had a chance to come by and sit here for a minute. I was going to say I got this and I spent five and a half years on the transportation advice report so I remember so thank you very much for having me. So that's what it's all about. It's such a lovely thing that my daughter made something out of eggplant and she got a few winter potatoes and made some potatoes. She was right so so I have a question the exhibit is so gorgeous here so gorgeous and the thing with the school what's going to happen to that? That is so magnificent the tables and the pottery that was done was gorgeous I was I was like really taking a bath and I was like what are you going to do with that where's it going to go? So part of our contract with the artist Margarita Carrera who coordinated all of that is that at the conclusion then she gets all of that artwork so we're actually going to pack it up and take it down in a truck so we're going to drive it down there it's actually cheaper to do that and ship it there's a lucky person who's going to drive it down there I think it's going to be both Black and Jared so she's going to be packing the tables so I think we're going to give her we'll pack it all up she's not going to come back we'll pack it all up because they're so custom for those spoons that we can't really do the current thing else because where does he store the rest of the corn the corn husk so that's an interesting item as well the artist deliberately made that artwork all organic material so that it can be recycled so we put that in a plan and we'll be taking it to a field and everything will go back to the artist so all of that we contracted the artist to make it I think that it's such an outstanding exhibition to stay here it was one of the things we have to work with is what every artist wants and also, on the cost we didn't actually look into acquiring the large artwork created by Sarah Sense who is Native American that wove together Boulder County maps traditional Native American we were kind of excited about the idea of acquiring half of the collection but unfortunately the cost is about $100,000 so, which is our acquisition budget is maybe high five digits if we really figure it all out so that was the artists obviously they're making a living of this they're hoping to be able to produce this it's amazing I've never seen it before so that because our exhibits are the galleries are a bit influx just because the instruction dates and so forth are a little bit we haven't yet nailed down exactly when the instructions start in on some things so we are moving more to doing some in-house exhibits we'll have more flexibility so the one that when we were starting to talk about what's been one of our most popular exhibits it's like, well, Lego was far more popular than we've ever done it's been close to ten years since we last did it and we know we bring that back and we can really show to our children and family audience that they they're welcome at the museum they come in and find an exhibit that's super hands on super connected and then that's the opportunity when we have an A as soon as our expansion is done we have hands on children and family running the gallery all the time so that's been one of the things we've noticed over the last few years the one exhibit is that audience has kind of declined so we want to bring them back with a big blockbuster and hopefully they will have the museum on their area next summer we're talking about doing maybe like a at the end of the day we go down there there's a really cool piece someone who built that day we take that and set it in a case builds up the week or something like that we're not in touch business I know we have follow-up work frequent yes, so we need two volunteers to participate and interviews we have only one vacancy it is spot as the only one it is open to folks to do interviews by the zoomer teams for the end of October for the opposition also, candidates for the board it will be wonderful to see a diverse array of folks applying for that slot we are hoping to have a variety of perspectives younger folks a variety of folks talking about people representing the folks so if you have anybody that you can think of I'm happy to talk with folks about what's involved in the process October 13th is the deadline for this round to end in December before term that's the date of the the date of the council later on that's my understanding we do the interviews late we can go into early November but I would know more than that we have the questions already set show up by the zoom and do the interviews so this year it's just applying without the university it would not be a big time soon thank you Kathy correct we have one thing why do we need two two we need two board members to do the interview oh that's true two board members to do the choice interview are there any other board comments I attended this crisis to camaraderie I don't think I very well attended a lot of share everyone here had something to say what they do and it was very engaging to talk to different people what they remember about this life so very well attended first I'll let you all keep going yeah