Three mile power loop! We're gonna make Paul do a power loop from three miles away. I don't know if something like this has ever been done. Definitely don't think something like this has ever been done with the DJI FPV drone. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, here at Rotor Riot we fly high performance FPV drones that are capable of some incredible things. They can fly long distances, they can do high speed acrobatics, it's crazy. And recently DJI came out with their FPV drone. It's getting a lot of new people into the hobby which is awesome. A lot of people that have been flying FPV for a while kind of question, you know, how good is this thing? I mean, it's made out of plastic. Can you do some real serious operation? The battery life is superb. The distance that it can go with good video is incredible. I think it's the perfect tool to get this job done. So here's what we're gonna do. Paul and Jeff are gonna load up and drive to the other side of the lake all the way over there. I don't even know if you guys can see all the way over there. Bubbie is gonna stay here and he's gonna set up an obstacle for Paul to power loop. Sean and I, we're gonna get in the boat and head across the lake rendezvous with Jeff and Paul and begin the mission to fly over the lake to come here to do the power loop. They're gonna chase the drone in the boat so that we always have a visual line of sight on the drone no matter what. Yeah, that's the thing about flying. Technically you need to always have someone able to see the drone line of sight. To get that information back to us on the ground we're gonna be on a conference call with all of us. So it'll be us on our side, Bubbie on his side and then Drew and Sean on the boat and we'll all be in communication. Let's draw this out. Okay, we're gonna be representing this lake by the circle that is filled in with some line. Paul and I think Jeff are gonna be standing here at point A. Drew and Sean are gonna be on a boat and it's going to go all the way across this lake. Paul is gonna power loop. Gonna be epic. There's something there to power loop. And basically the distance across the lake is three miles. Thanks for drawing that treasure map for us. So we're set up at the launch point. We're waiting for the boat to come from the dock. But honestly, I'm kind of just looking out over the horizon waiting for that kind of dark plume of smoke that means that their boat has totally fried itself. Genuinely not expecting them to get here. That's not a problem. That's okay. It's okay. It's on E for an excellent. Extra full. Extra full.  Why? What's gonna happen? The one thing going for us, the wind is blowing that way. So if we do get stuck, where do we get stuck? If the boat decides it doesn't wanna run anywhere. Why would that happen? Ripped rudders, dented drops. Every time we do anything that has to do with the boat, we get a lesson in Morrison Mechanicry. So at the impaler, if you follow you, I'm gonna, I'll follow you. Okay, he's gonna follow us. But we need to make sure we go straight there, Sean. I will also have to kind of set the pace a little bit too, so I might tell you to go faster or slower, because I gotta make sure that we're not over-flying our battery. Very smart, very well thought out. All right, watching the drone. It's going down, it's going down, oh my gosh. I'm locking this in on 10 meters per second. Okay, he's approaching. I have visual line of sight on the drone. I'm going 10 meters a second, it's locked in. Wait, hold on. Max flight distance reached. Oh no, there's a goggle taking, oh it's parking.  I got it set to the max. Shoot. We're good now, we're good now, we're good now. Okay, he's going. He had the flight limit on. Oh no. All right, he's on us, keep going.  On the way out to the destination where I'm gonna do the power loop, I decided to use sport mode. And in sport mode, I'm able to turn on cruise control and let the drone just move forward at a certain attitude, meaning it's gonna just keep going that direction at that speed until I tell it otherwise. Once I arrive at the destination, I can then switch over to manual mode, which is what's gonna allow me to do the power loops and do all of the kind of traditional FPV sort of thing. So I'm just, I've got it set in the cruise control mode, watching the height, watching the distance, and at this point I can just let it go. It's good that we have the drone as a compass because I don't know where I'm going.   We're trying, we're going as fast as we can. This boat's kind of falling apart. It sounds like they're dying. I think it'll get done. I think Paul will successfully power loop the thing. But what I hope is that he doesn't just power loop it and then not go back through the gate. It's like people sometimes forget that a power loop, you gotta finish the whole thing. Look at the angle at which we're flying at. Like, yeah, that's just like, that's just straight in level. Like literally not doing anything on the controls. And it's just like, we're now at the point where the drone wants us to return to home. We're basically at what is like the halfway point of the battery. You just gotta ignore all those warning messages. All right, that's what I'm doing. You gotta go home. Paul's like, no, I know what I'm doing. I ain't going home. They're getting pretty close. Okay, we have to slow down, call restroom and no wake zone. Okay, I'm gonna keep going without you. Bobby, am I going to the right of the dock or the left of the dock? The left of the dock. And I will be standing on a bench, waving my hands so you can see me. I'm starting to finally get some trouble with video. It's not unflyable, but it's less comfortable for sure. Eight minute flight. We are now 5,200 meters from home. Okay, I see the tent now. Oh, I see the drone. I see the drone, I see the drone. Paul, do you see me? Do you see me? Do you see me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. I'm gonna get down from here, because I'm scared. I hereby pass my spotter duties to you, Bobby. I am now the, I have the duties of the fodder. So Paul, you see this? You see this thing right here? Yeah. You see these tents? Yeah. How is that now? How would you do? Okay. Switching to manual mode. Okay, I'm full manual mode now. Here we go. Oh, we have to, oh, I missed it. Oh, I missed it. I gotta go again. Be careful, be careful. I'm panicked. I'm panicked. What happened on the tree? I saw a dog, he's here. He did it. He did it. He did it. Look, he's going away now. He's going back three miles from your way. Okay. I only have 37% left. Drew, I hereby give you the duty of watching the drone. Okay, I've got visual of the drone. It's on me now. He's coming back. We're going help. We did it. Yeah. Three mile power loop. It's at 35%. We just hit a power loop three miles away. I had such bad video, it's not even funny. Dude, he got dangerously close to that tree. He hit the tree. Okay, Paul's a epic pilot, so he got it. Okay, so we are now 4,500 meters out. It's, we'd successfully did the power loop, but we only have 23% battery life remaining. We're 4,000 meters to go. I don't think we're going to make it. So I think we're going to have to go to the contingency plan of landing the drone inside of the boat. Drew, are you guys able to catch me? Okay, yeah, we can catch it if you need us to. Okay, so I'm going to go until I get the 8%. That should give me enough time to do it. But I want to get as close to home as I can. Okay, I'm slowing down, because I don't think we're going to make it. Absolute chaos. He's at 10%. We're getting close. I think you might be able to make it, man. You might be able to make it. No, no way. No way, no way. Vale? Wait, it says battery too low landing. You got to get over here right now. Coming in. He's going to come in hot. Oh no, he's not letting him in. Oh no. It won't let me take back over. It won't let me take back over. This is going to be a crash landing. Be aware. Come on. Slow, stop the boat. Come on. I'm trying, it won't go. Right there. Right there.  A little more. A little more. No. Oh. Just smack it over here, smack it over here. Yeah. Did you get it? I got it. Yeah. I got it. Why didn't you dump it in the boat? You couldn't just disarm it and let it flop? So my plan was to get to 8%, switch it to the manual mode, and then just come in and land. But as soon as I got to 9%, it said, battery low. We're landing now. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like 40 meters in the air. I was like 100 feet. And I'm like, ah, and it starts going down. I'm like, guys, we're going now. So wait, were you full throttle? I was holding the controller, cranking it. I was pushing it so hard, I thought I was going to break the sticks, because I'm like, oh, no, no, no. But it was still just going down. It was still just dropping. Altitude sticks all the way up, and it's just coming down. So when you're sitting there, just bring it over the boat. Just bring it over, and I'm like, I'm trying. I'm sitting there, pushing it as hard as I can. I think the sensors were preventing me from going over the boat. Eventually it let me go, and it just overshot. I'm like, no, it's going in the water. But then magically, somehow my extra strength on the controller stick brought it back up, and I brought it back over. I'm like, just hit it out of the air. Just keep it in the sky. I'm dunked in. I'm sorry, I got to go. See, one disadvantage, a regular drone, you would not have been cut off like that. Right. I don't know if you could have flown a regular drone that far, and I don't know. I don't know. If it wasn't this windy, I think we actually might have been off a little better off. How was your video when you were over here, though? So when I went for the power loop, on my way into the power loop, it was great. As soon as I got just a little bit low, pretty much no video. Backflip was pretty good, and then as soon as I started getting low again, pretty much no video. But it's OK, because we have a visual observer spotter. latency was good. It was the same as if I was standing right there with you. Really? So there was no additional latency in three miles away? Not that I could notice. That's pretty cool. That had to have been. Not that I noticed compared to video and my level of anxiety.


All right, today's Fincher is a make-up bear unit that is not reducing heat We're going into winter time and the cooks are cold in the morning because it's been getting down to the 30s First thing I always kind of start with is belts and filters Because these work off of a pressure differential switch And if that differential is not there, it will not run You have a high and low fire adjustment with a variable amplifier for the gas valve And it will modulate to match the temperature rise of your choosing along with some high limits and flame rectification circuit there So that's pretty much the basis of how this thing works Big things is holy alignment holy wear Belt's being loose first thing it is went through and found what the required static to cross the burner plate is This one requires a point one five to point eight static between it. I Haven't tightened the belt yet because I don't want to correct the problem and not know that I corrected the problem I haven't checked temperature rise or any of that yet Builders aren't bad Let's check our differential first and see where we're at then we'll recheck it once we clean them First thing we got is a limo valve here probably opening. Yep That's opening right now Zero a meter out again They tend to have issues when they go from warm to cold operational circuits call in there We also have an airflow switch here on our Readout along with flame alarm and whatever else is going on. This must have a VFD on it They came up really slow Airflow wise were point two fours are differential at point one eight and point four two On our two different switches technically it should be closing According to this airflow switch is not but it may not be calling either Need to go downstairs and see where they got things at Here we go. Okay, so this is set to not run until it's at least 50 degrees out So we're gonna turn this up because it's gotten a little warmer today It is coming on right there at 60 58 60. So let's turn it a little higher. So it'll run heard gas five click We are so very close down here to where it's gonna trip out at We do have a flame established here Airflow is established operation controls there So so far we're not looking too bad our discharge air is set for about 55 degrees We can crank that up See if it changes anything Not hearing them the fan change speed. I'm gonna go downstairs and see What kind of control they got down there? All right, we've got our return air sensor hooked up Our supplier sensors in the blower compartment area is not a real great place for it to put it I can't get into the actual supply We could check flame rectification DC voltmeter See if it's actually picking anything up I mean it was saying that it had a flame so it probably is but Let's see where we're at on it. I've got 15.7 volts. They went between 12 and 18 So that's that's good. So we do have a flame It's at very minimal right now. So that part's established Now if we take our temperature rise here up to say 90 degrees See if it starts changing at all It's not Do we have a problem with our amplifier or valve? Kind of nice. It's got built-in gauges get Right around seven and a half inches coming in Doesn't look like anything going out and turn it back down. Let's go downstairs and see where they have it They may have a remote System on it just got ready to take off and all of a sudden she just shot up to wherever it was that there It might just be a slow learner. Let's see if we can hit 70 degrees 70 is not too much to ask for Like my fluke a little better Yeah, 49 going in Overshooting my 70 mark I was looking for There it is coming back down Down there basically it has a maximum air setting and it has a Savings setting so on the maximum air the speeds obviously increased a little bit We're at a point three four to point four differential The maximum it can go up to is point eight. So that's with the filters out of it Honestly, I believe this is going to boil down to just plain maintenance as being an issue clean filters tight belts Good pull is aligned filters are back in down to a point two plane is on shooting for a 55 degree area, which we're holding about 59 outdoor temperature It's 54 so it is actually running. Let's go ahead and take it back up to 65 see if it can do that. I did clean the flame sensor when I first got here Couldn't get a good description of what was actually the problem. Just felt a little cool, but That's what I was told You go over here and check their flame Right there which it's all UV bleached out and can't see it you cover your hand there You can see it. It's it's running. I'd like to see that airflow a little higher. I Think our issues boiling down to that. I think the switch wasn't shutting and allowing it to run if that was the case I'm also getting a lot of radiant heat. That's one thing bad about where I've got my probat So I would say it's probably accurate Okay Well, what I'm going to do Turn it down Let her cool down. I'm going to line that belt tighten it up a little bit and then recheck it You hear the belt going Making noises. That's why I think the alignment's off but It really ain't So, I mean there's a little bit Not much I mean on the top pulley we're pretty on The bottom just a scoche Tighten that up and see what happens the motor starts to bend you get too tight 16th of inch per foot That is About two foot so That'd be an eighth of an inch I think it's a little more than an eighth of an inch Actually have a belt tension tool would be a lot easier I think but We'll play by their rules That's a lot better Tighten up the lock nut here Just the other side of the pulley too or the other side of the Actually better shape there And we're in pretty decent shape there too Okay, we're gonna tighten up that other side because we don't want tilt I just like to wipe the grease sirk head off first And then you want to rotate They're bearing as you add To it. You don't want to over grease it You've sort of seen a lot come out and you've already over greased it so that and a couple pumps probably hasn't been done For a while I'm gonna fill your pole these See if the sheaves are a war which This outside right ones were like crazy And see what's gonna happen with that being wore like that you're gonna wear your new belt down So I'm gonna tell them they need a new pulley Here's a cool thing about captive air also They've got all the specs that I needed right out here your Maximum pressure drop across the burner is right there your temperature rise Everything you need is right there Rechecking our pressures here. We're at point three nine point four So not really a huge difference So what we ended up having to do was address our pilot flame It wasn't always acting up. So that kind of made it a little difficult to find and Ended up finding a room thermostat that it also monitors the room temperature not mounted where it should be at so we corrected that right now I just cranked it up to 90 degrees and She's shooting right up there basically it was locking out prior to but it didn't do it at first and that was due to a weak flame adjusted the pilot flame on the gas valve and Once that was done. I had a good flame no longer was it locking out and Appears now that everything's taken care of we're going to order a new pulley belts and Then get belts for the other exhaust hoods while we're at it and That should wrap this one up If you liked the video, please like share and subscribe Check the links out down below for more information and until next time. We'll catch you on the next one


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Live from New York, it's theCUBE. Covering Big Data New York City 2016. Brought to you by headline sponsors, Cisco, IBM, NVIDIA, and our ecosystem sponsors. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Peter Burris. Welcome back to New York City, everybody. This is theCUBE, the worldwide leader in live tech coverage. We're here in conjunction with Strata plus Hadoop. Strata plus Hadoop world, which has evolved over the last seven years we've been here. This is Big Data NYC, our show within the show at Big Data Week. Ronan Schwartz is here, he's the Senior Vice President and General Manager of Data Integration and Cloud Integration at Informatica. Ronan, good to see you. Thanks for coming on. Good to see you again, and I'm really happy to be here in New York. For me, it's only the sixth time from the seventh, but it's bigger than ever. Yeah, well, it was a historic moment for theCUBE when I flew in from Dallas to meet John Furrier for what was our first Hadoop world.  And it wasn't that crowded, and people were like, what's Hadoop, you know, right? And that's evolved pretty quickly. It went from sort of what it is, can I get it to work, to wow, how can I bring it into my enterprise and make it trustworthy? And we're sort of slightly beyond that now, aren't we? And it's all about data, so. It's true, it's all about data, and now it's data for everybody, data in the cloud, data in a hybrid environment. And really, like you said, it's actually how to make data work in real use cases for small organization, but also to the enterprise. Well, and our research for years has shown that one of the key tenants of big data initiatives is the existing infrastructure, the existing data warehouse infrastructure, the transformation, data transformation tooling that's being used, you can't just ignore that. Although many customers did early on, they sort of said, okay, we're going to do a little Skunkworks project, and then organizations started to realize, well, wait a minute, we have all this other data, then we need data integration. So talk about the role that Informatica plays in that whole evolution. Thank you, and it's a great opportunity for me to kind of share Informatica's view of that world. Informatica was always focused on data, and if we look 30 years back, then into the data, you know, we used to call it data 1.0, then the data was really a part of an application, of a single application. It was very, very important, but it was important in the context of the application that actually generates that data. If we're looking into fast forward to 10 or 15 years ago, then that was the time of the data 2.0, where an enterprise was starting to look into data across multiple application, building the data warehouse, building ESP to kind of move data across application in real time, some events that are going across application, but actually it was still, I think, very limited in the view and the viewers of the data. Data 3.0 is the world that we're living, at least in the last three to five years. It is actually the world that, with big data as well as small data, it is the world with data in the cloud, on-premise, and in a hybrid environment, it is the world that actually have more data consumer in new roles that didn't exist before. It's not just the business intelligence group, it's actually everybody is a data employee, and last but not least, important is actually data in real time and data in batch. Both of them equally important, you need both of them depending on the use case. The most important thing in data 3.0 is that in data 3.0, data is the center. It's not the application, it's not the data warehouse, it actually is the whole data that is actually in the center. So let me see if I can pick up on that. So data 1.0 was the data's under control of the application, so to get to the data I had to go through the application, which had its own set of bureaucratic and investment considerations. So the application was the primary citizen, the source of investment, the source of organizational control, and the determinant of whether or not you got access to it. In data 2.0, it really was the data management technologies, which once again had its own set of organizational and financial and investment profiles. And now it's moving to this data 3.0. I think what you're saying from a customer or CIO practical standpoint is you are now going to look at data as an asset of itself. You're going to build organizations that are focused on data as an asset, you're going to invest in data as an asset so that people can get access to the data based on their specific use cases. Have I got that right? Yes, absolutely. So data is actually becoming at the center and it's in the center and not just for the data management group as it used to be in the data 2.0. It is actually in the center of the CEO level. Definitely the CIO, one of the most important thing it needs to deal with is with data. And it actually affects many things. It affects analytics, but it also affects security. It affects so many other aspects of the organization. And I think especially when we're here in a Duke world, what I want to make is a point is that data is an asset inside a Duke, but also outside of a Duke. Data is kind of the key asset of the enterprise in general. And there's a lot of evidence of that. We had a great conversation with the senior executive of the Fortune 500 company last night about how he met with the board of directors of this company and they spent significant amount of time talking about data as an asset if only from a security standpoint. So there's a lot of evidence that this is happening. Now how is it starting to happen in the Hadoop big data ecosystem? I think what Hadoop really empowers companies to do is actually to change their business. It's to change their business into a digital business when they're actually able to, for the first time, to process massive amounts of data and change really the way business is done. And that actually brought the data into the center. And actually in a second level of effect, actually got the organization to collect data inside a Duke, but also drive things like one of the things that Informatica is announcing here in Strata Hadoop is an enterprise information catalog. Can we actually get a full visibility to all my data inside my multi-parallel Duke clusters, not just one, but multi-parallel Duke cluster, but also in any other place in the enterprise, including the data 2.0 data warehouse, including application data that is not connected to a Duke. Can I actually get the visibility across the board? Can I not only get that visibility through writing jobs in specific coding language? Can I actually get that visibility through a business interface? Can I actually bring the right data into the lake without a massive code effort? These are the things that Informatica is actually announcing here that are coming to really support this revolution of putting the data in the center. And that's essentially an effort to sort of make the metadata more transparent and accessible. Is that right or? Absolutely, so if data is actually the key, then the map of... Data is the asset. Yes, data is the asset, then actually mapping your assets is a very important thing, right? Imagine we all have our financials, right? You actually want to know where your money is and how is it doing, who is handling it, the changes. If data is the key asset, you want to know that about your data. So we've been looking for a great catalog in the Big Data Universe for quite some time. We found a number of who claim to be that, but just aren't there yet. At least that's been our experience.  A great catalog should allow me to discover. Yes. You can do that. Yes. Great catalog would improve my ability to govern data. That is absolutely right, yes. Because I want to know who the ownership is and what the permissions are and what the rules of engagement. Yes. I have to understand also some of the lower level, the metadata stuff, so that I can understand how transformations take place when they take place, et cetera. What about going back to the notion of data as an asset? I can actually start building a data portfolio management system. Am I in a position where I can start tracking investments in data, returns on data, and figuring out how much additional investment I should be making? Absolutely, and I really want to encourage your viewers and the Informatica customer base and the DUP joiners to look into the Informatica information catalog. To do what you described, one of the key things that we bring to the table is intelligence. Because with massive amounts of data, data inside the Hadoop multiple clusters and outside of Hadoop, you actually want the intelligence of this catalog to tell you not just where the data is, but actually how does it relate to each other and where do you have actually the same data set and you don't even know. And just like you said, who else is doing the same thing that I'm trying to do? What assets are available for me that are more prepared, more authorized, more governed versus assets that are less governed and so on? Democratization of data is really, really important, but just like with democracy, you need to have certain tools and certain capabilities to allow everybody to influence the government, this is what we're giving here. So you give access, but the governed access. You can control who can see what in what level. Informatica have a very, very strong, not just governance security, but also data security layer. So you don't want to prevent people from seeing the data, but you might actually prefer for them not to see the social security number, right? Should I prevent them from access to the whole file? Probably not, but if I can mask just this one field, that is actually a great solution. So a true data 3.0 infrastructure must actually support everything that you described and if you can do it with intelligence, you can actually save a lot of time and empower much more people with data. So this idea of a portfolio was interesting because the 1.0 is a pejorative, right? But the good thing about 1.0 is the organization had visibility on the application portfolio because it tied to the business process. And what with 2.0 became insights for a few. And it was sort of, okay, it's over here and it's slow and we get that. And only very specific insights. You have to look at, you looked into the data in the very specific lenses that somebody else defined for you. I think David means that the insights into the value of the data through a few people had it. That's right. So power analysts, you had to go through that were the bottleneck and the promise of big data is, as you pointed out, it's much more ubiquitous across the organization. And so I hadn't really thought about thinking about data as a portfolio, I don't know why I hadn't thought about that. It's a pretty obvious thing to do, but the chief data officer presumably is responsible for that notion of a portfolio, where to invest, how to evolve that portfolio and support the monetization of the business, not necessarily the monetization of the data. And that's a mistake that a lot of people made early on in big data, said, okay, how are we going to make money off selling the data? And the thing that organizations realize is, wait a minute, we understand how we make money. There's lots of ways to make money. How can data support that? If I could, just because you can copy data easily does not mean that you should look at data's fungibility as something you can use externally. Because there's a lot of circumstances where you don't want to give up that data. Now there's a lot of arguments about this and whatnot, but having clear understanding about how data in context generates value for your business is crucial to doing a good job of this. And we need strong tools that are capable of expressing those insights about how data should be governed directly into the governing process of data. And if you didn't trademark already data portfolio, I think it's a very, very strong trademark that you should do. And in that context, and just connecting it to the data management tools, if you're looking to data as a portfolio and you look at data as an asset, then how do you actually make this asset better? How do you make this asset bigger? Should be one of the top concerns or top focus of the CIO? And Informatica is- If not the top focus. Yes, yes. I was trying to be kind of very, very generous. I actually think- Of the CIO? Yeah. Of the CEO as well. I kind of agree because it's a shift of business. Or the CBO, this gets into an interesting organizational discussion because we used to think that the CIO's job was really to manage that data as an asset or a liability. But sir, I was the chief information officer for a reason. But in many respects, the CIO was never able to do that because he or she was having to just keep the infrastructure lights on. And so then this CDO role emerged. There's a lot of discussion about who sort of owns that. And the more, well, certainly in financial services, healthcare and government, it's the chief data officer, increasingly. Would you agree with that or? I think that the chief data officer as a role was created because of the growing importance of data and because of the CIO with its broad responsibility could not actually give enough focus to the data part of it. But I think today's data is probably the most important asset that exists in the organization. It is the CIO that should care about it. You have the CDO to help him in doing that. I also think that in many businesses, and some of the businesses that are not just created yesterday, but also businesses that exist for a long time, the data is actually becoming the business. And as data is becoming the business, it's actually the problem of the CEO, not just the CIO. So as a former CIO, would you be, I hate to say it, but it's a land grab for the data who owns the data. I mean, it's going to really fund, if you believe that data is the future and thinking about data as a portfolio, then if I'm the CIO, I might want to stake out some turf. Oh no, no question. But, well, here's how I would put it. That in a period of turbulence and significant transformation, a couple things happen. First off, the business steps back and says, what are we not doing a good enough job governing from an asset standpoint? Oh, data. Well, we need to put someone in charge of establishing the policy, the rules, the organizational approaches, the governance models for how we think about shared claims on that asset. So it's perfectly natural that a lot of businesses would say that's important. If they want to associate a particular chief with that, like a CDO, fine. But we'll go through this process and it would all come back together in some form. The other thing that happens, and here's where my bigger concern is, is that there's a marketing strategy practice in the tech industry, of course, not Informatica. But there's a marketing practice in the tech industry that you don't want to have to sell to large communities. It's a very complex sale. You want to collapse it down to the individual that you can sell to. So the tech community from a marketing standpoint has always created that single buyer. And tried to get people to invest in that notion of a chief something. A DBA, a Cisco certified engineer. A storage manager, whatever it was. And so there's some of that going on too. Let's create our buyer. But the bottom line is, if data's going to be acknowledged as an asset, not the only asset, but as knowledge, as an asset, then we have to up our game in how we price, value, govern, and invest in data. I totally agree. And I think how to make data better, how to make data governed so that you're actually getting better results is going to increase the value of the data for a specific company. And what you're seeing is actually whole new businesses being generated based on data. And one of my favorite example, the speaker that was with me in Informatica World, coming from a company named JLL. JLL is a more than 200 years company focused on commercial real estate, right? And they are able to change their business from person to person renting of commercial real estate into a full mobile real-time experience, all based on data. To deliver something like that, you suddenly need to collect every angle that is available within the facility that you're renting. You need to understand the angles of the sun in different hours, the windows location. You suddenly become not just a line of address as the data, but actually all 3D information that exists there. And if you want actually to allow somebody to be in one place and at the same time look into his iPad and look into a different asset and say, which one is better so we can make a faster decision while he's still closer to you as the seller, you have to actually base your business on data. And at that stage, data is not something that goes to manage your finance. It's not something that got to do with the quarterly report. It actually becomes something that everybody in the organization work with. And such an asset is important to everybody in the organization. But it dramatically extends the value of the business. That piece of property that you're looking at is still an asset and still crucially important. But what you're doing, and this is our definition of digital business, you are differentially using data to create and sustain customers. I totally agree, I totally agree. And I did want to add, I mean, I think we talked about the CDO as one profession that has been kind of rising because of the importance of data. I think the data analyst and a really very specific type of data analyst is another one, data operation. How is another new role that is rising? Managing those flows of data through the organization. Data engineer, we heard from the chief, that's the data scientist yesterday is a critical role in the team. That is totally correct. And I think one of the things that Informatica is actually really trying to do is to empower them with the right tools so that they can actually look into the data, improve the data, get the data to be available at the fingertips of the right user at the right time. And it actually is not a simple exercise. It's an exercise that involves scanning all the data in the organization. Sometimes you hear data warehousing, data lakes. Let's bring all the data into one place. But then you're learning that, even Hadoop clusters, you have more than one, right? So the proliferation of data, the availability of data in different places, you have to handle that. So you have to get real visibility across the enterprise. The second thing that you have to do is you have to be able to take data in batch in massive amounts or move events data in real time from one place to the other. So you have to support both the real time as well as the batch optimization. You have to give very, very strong tools to the data engineers. And at the same time, you have to give simplicity to the business user because they're all working with data. I think the last thing that I'll say is you have to do it on-premise and in the cloud because the change is there. Hybrid is happening now and the cloud is rising. Well, as John Furrier likes to say too, data is the new development kit. So you don't see application developers diving in. Data science, application developers coming together. So great discussion, Ronan. Thanks very much for coming on the queue. Thank you very much for hosting me. You're welcome, all right. Keep right there, everybody. We'll be back with our next guest. This is theCUBE, we're live from New York City. We're right back.


Okay, welcome back. Let's continue with the class Right before we go ahead any questions And you any of you have any questions any thoughts that you'd like to share from what we are learning No questions Like to share any thoughts. Are you able to follow along? Is it something that is? You know, are you receiving? Everything okay, shall we continue? All right, let's read Romans chapter 3 23 to 26 Romans 3 23 to 26. Yes, could one of us please read that? Romans 3 23 to 26 Yes, anybody Romans 3 23 to 26 Romans 3 23 to 26 for all have seen and fall sort of the glory of God and All are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus God presented Christ as a sacrifice for a apartment through the setting of his plot to be received by faith it did he did this to demonstrate his righteousness because in his Perverance, he had left the sins committed beforehand Unpunished he did it to Demonstrate his righteousness at the present time So as to be just and the one who justifies through those who have faith in Jesus Man, thank you. Thank you All right, so here Paul is writing to the Romans. He's saying this so wonderfully for all had sinned and fallen short of the glory of God now because of sin Because of the cross God could pardon the sinner freely, right, but there were two legal imputations that occurred where Even though God put all his wrath on Jesus He was acting out of his righteous judgment, right? What were the two legal imputations? That was imputed right first one the sins of the world were imputed to the perfect impeccable humanity of who Jesus Christ was and to the perfect righteousness of God Imputed to every believer at the point of salvation Right two legal imputations, right the word impute means to You know, it's basically to fall upon You know to impute to Is to fall upon somebody there were two legal imputations first one the sins of the entire world was Imputed was, you know, put upon Jesus at the cross the perfect man and Because of that the second legal imputation is when we Believe in the Lord Jesus and we accept the Lord Jesus at the point of salvation You and I have the perfect righteousness of God. We are perfectly righteous with God, right We can reconcile two things here even when he God's character has not changed even when he is angry with man's sin God loves man and is concerned about man Right, even though he was angry with sin God loves man Right now, let's let's picture this right some of us Who are parents and what do parents do? They correct a child They, you know, sometimes if there's the correction is not being, you know Followed there are times they will take the next step, right?  So every day he would say I want to go. I said no one week You cannot go down. He said no, I will I will you know obey I will not go said no, but I have to give that period of You know Punishment that has to be there only then you will learn you will learn. I know now you understand but that Period of punishment should be done. Why because I love you.  No, he has to learn right the same way God He loves us But when we sin We're building a wall. He hates the sin. God despises the sin in us Right. So every time we sin we are the Bible says that Do not grieve the Holy Spirit with whom you are sealed for the day of reconciliation When we sin we are Basically, what we are saying is we are crucifying Christ again So that's painful Right, and it's a hard thing to think about imagine we sin. We are the Bible teaches us that they were crucifying Christ again when we said Right, but there is divine love God is You know putting judgment on sin Because he loves us If he didn't love us he didn't care for us He would not have sent his son Jesus To die on the cross for us and he would not have put the sins of the entire world on this one innocent man Just for us. He did it because he loved us But does he love the sin? No, he despises it the Bible even says in a few versions says he abhors the word abhor means to you know Despise it deeply despise abhor it.  He loves us But he hates he despises sin And so we must be assured of that we must think of this and you say okay God It is a love that is true. It is love that is divine. There's a purifying fire It's a love that you know is willing to Leave the 99 and go after that one. It is a love that is so eternal It's so powerful that it draws all people to him, but We can only taste it when we walk With our identity in Christ Right?  God wants to have a relationship with us You know one interesting thing is there's no other religion where The whole aspect of God having a relationship with us even Judaism In the old covenant There was no God having a relationship with man when God spoke through his prophets and You know, but but the relationship of being or restored a good relationship only happened through and after the cross I love the book of Romans where it says The first three chapters talks about God's the sin of man and How sin has turned people away from God and chapter three onwards. He starts saying God is faithful and Through his son chapter four. He talks about how you know, we can call him up our father through the Spirit There was a work of redemption. There was a work of reconciliation Redemption means purchased and glorified The court of heaven could not legally release us from bondage and slavery and subjection until a price is paid The courts of heaven meaning heaven himself could heaven could not say, okay, this man is a good man So I let him go Jesus says there's no one good only but God You know in the world that we live in People have come, you know, a lot of young people have spoken, you know that I've spoken to they say I live a good life Right. I I don't I Love my parents. I provide for them. I I love my neighbors. I'm good at my studies. I don't have any bad habits. I don't drink I don't smoke. I don't have any bad friends. I don't use bad language. I don't you watch bad movies I've not into any adultery or I've not into any fornication. I live a good life right now their standards of good is Just by what they do now. What is the problem with that? That means I'm coming to God And to God's presence by my own works. I'm saying I am good Because I don't do this. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't have bad habits. I don't You know watch it. So it's all about me. I'm coming by works Now the court of heaven meaning God himself cannot can say see you're doing all this you're saying you're good Yes, you don't say you don't speak lies.  All that is true but Your nature is sinful Like my nature. You're sinful. You have felt jealous about people. Nobody knows it You have got angry. We have not showed it. Nobody knows it. That's sin You have pride very fact that you're saying that I am not like this. I'm not like that. It's pride So pride is sin again So heaven cannot release you and say, okay, you are righteous because we don't drink. We don't smoke We don't use bad habits. It's not going to happen There's a sin nature in us which has to be dealt with and so what did Jesus do when Christ paid the ramson the price for sin was paid and there was dominion and the dominion of sin or the power of sin and death and Satan was the chains were broken off Now when you say, okay, I Accept Jesus as my personal savior. I'm washed by the blood of Jesus and now we can say I thank God That I don't have any bad habits. I don't smoke. I don't drink.  It's not through my own works. So The whole dominion of sin and death can only be broken off by the cross Without the cross not possible right There can be no redemption of people without the payment of price and the cross was the Was an act of redemption The ransom was not something paid to satan. Remember this Right the ransom the price was not paid to satan because God does not owe satan a ransom God owes satan nothing I remember this now and The beginning of time when satan tempted Adam and they fell into temptation God or even before that Pride was found in lucifer and he and his angels were thrown out three fourth of the angels were thrown out from heaven And you know, uh, and so satan and his demons Are thrown out. They are cast out from heaven now It's not like satan is telling okay, wait, I will tempt adam Now adam is fallen because of me All right, so you have to do something for me only then You know People will walk without sin It was not a price paid for satan. The cross was not a price paid for satan.   No, no, no the The the you know the ransom was paid not for satan, but the ransom was paid for God The ransom was for God for his people satan has nothing to do with this Right, uh, it's it's only what has happened is he's only crushed the enemy even more He has defeated the enemy He's cut off his head. He's his heel has You know broken off the works of the enemy He has been defeated And he will be completely defeated later on when we see in the thousand day after the thousand year millennium in revelations He will be thrown and casted to the lake of fire. He knows his end, right? So he's already defeated through the cross. He's he's completely defeated Right. So the price was paid not to satan But for God's righteous judgment Right. Mankind was redeemed from the life Of curse that is from living under the law to living under grace We are now redeemed from the fall And we begin to enjoy the blessings Redemption teaches us that God desires so much to restore us That he himself would pay a price to make it possible Romans chapter five talks about how How the sins of one man Brought sin into the entire world But through Jesus Christ this All the sins of the world the last atom he took it up on the cross and we all have redemption through him One man's obedience disobedient many became sinners, but one man's obedience Many became righteous one man sinned death passed into many and one man was sinless Many received eternal life One man was disobedient judgment was passed on many One man was obedient and there was everyone was made righteous One man sinned many became slaves One man was obedient and many have become children of God One man sinned many lost the sonship One man obeyed many regained that sonship You see that complete you know everything was reversed So that's you know that whole portion in Romans Romans five talks about the reversal that happened right and so God has done these wonderful things the cross made it making it powerful There are so many blessings that we receive through the cross The the challenge that we face in the world that we're living in now is one To believe it because it's foolishness to those who are perishing it's foolishness. It's not going to make sense One is to believe that is the first challenge two Is to walk in that belief Because remember the enemy is going to come and he is going to make us feel that everything That we know about the cross is just a story Or it's just something that happened many years ago And you know, we don't really it doesn't really make sense or he may say it's a wonderful story You know the enemy has his ways of deceiving people As this writer who says who wrote about you know a couple of writers they said that You know Forget his name, but the name of the book is the last imitation of Jesus Christ by Nicholas He's got a complicated last name Struss on the Corvill or something right? It's a French name But Nicholas the last temptation of Jesus Christ and in that book He writes that when Jesus was on the cross He looked up to the father and he said can you give me one more opportunity? I want to Live a life and experience the things of this world And so in the book it says that God the Lord Jesus got down from the cross And the body of somebody else was replaced to look like Jesus Jesus went with Mary Magdalene They went away to another nation He got married they had children And Jesus died in in an old age And the book became so famous that they made a movie out of it Now whose work is this The enemy knows his ways to deceive people many people believe it There's another writer An Indian man, I forget his name, but he wrote that you know, there's proof that Jesus escaped the cross and reached Kashmir and even went to Nepal There's proof. I don't know what proof that is but he says there's proof And these are and they have big followers Then there are other people in the west Who say that you know, they are very incarnated Jesus So as of now as we are speaking there are Apparently something to laugh about but it's serious Because the enemy is deceiving people As of now there are three people who claim to be the reincarnated Jesus Christ One is in Australia One is in the US and one is in Uh, I think Mexico So they all three say I'm Jesus reincarnated Now who's who we don't know Right, but one thing we know is the Bible teaches us that the Lord Jesus Will come on the clouds. He's a glorified Jesus Right, and we read the book of revelations chapter 2 Chapter 1 End of chapter 1 it describes the appearance of Jesus and he says I saw one who was The lamb of God His eyes were like blazing fire. His hair was like wool his feet like burnished grass And out of his mouth came a double edged sword and when John the disciple who used to put his Hand or place his head on Jesus's bosom at all times John that same disciple sees it and says he fell at his feet as if dead Now Picture this people are coming and saying I'm Jesus All of these things This is the work of the enemy. This is deceiving spirits that the devil is You know releasing in the nation.  No The enemy wants people to believe these things, but you and I We know the holy spirit in us Brings revelation Brings reveals the truth in our hearts Right, so we thank God for that Let's go on to the next portion Chapter 19 the power and the blessings of the cross. Let's look at a few aspects and then We'll see what we can learn from here, right? Now we know that the cross is a powerful thing, right now. It's not about wearing a cross And saying okay, it's powerful. It's not about just looking at a cross and saying wow, it's powerful. No It is to understand what happened Remember what the book of james says Even demons believe there's one god and they shudder Demons also believe what jesus did demons also know, you know, but their belief is an empty belief They know what jesus did on the cross. They know that they defeated Yet Why is it that they don't have the power they don't have the blessings of the cross because it is an empty belief What we are going to talk about is The power and the blessings of the cross will be released upon his children to those who believe In him those who believe in what he did for us So to understand the cross or the power of cross we must understand This word called identification right What is identification, you know, sometimes we say So for example Somebody is, you know Gone through a very rough childhood right say for example this person named David he's gone through Very rough childhood. He's lost his parents at a young age But somehow, you know, some people looked after him. He grew up. He finished school. He finished college He started his work and he began to do well Years later david becomes a preacher Right just an example, right? Or he becomes a motivational speaker Right and And he meets somebody else And he meets this person named john And john says, you know David at a young age I lost my parents and I I'm still in this process of you know healing and there's nobody to look after me I'm still in college. So what is david going to say David is going to say hey, I I I identify with you I I know what you're feeling because I went through the exact same problem Right, that's that's I just use this example to help us understand identification So I say david says hey, john, I identify your problem I identify I identify with you because even when I was growing up I lost my parents and I you know how to go to school Go through college without them and it was very difficult. But here's what I did Right. So I'm I'm identifying that person now. What did Jesus do in terms of identification? Hebrews chapter 2 was 10 11 and 14. I'll just read that Jesus identified with uh, okay, let's read that Hebrews chapter 2 10 11 and 14. Yes, could one of us please read that um Hebrews chapter 2 10 11 and verse 14 Yes, any one of us please go ahead Hebrews 2 10 11 and 14 Sally would you mind reading it if you're There's your question Okay, Hebrews chapter 2 verse 10 For it was fitting for him for whom are all things and by whom Sorry for it was fitting for him for whom are all things and by whom Whom are all things in bringing many sounds to glory to make the captain of their salvation perfect true suffering For both he who sentifies and those who are being sentified Are all of one for which reason he is not ashamed to call them brethren verse 14 In as much then as the children have Partaken of flesh and blood He himself like was shared in the same the truth that he might destroy him Who had the power of the dead that is the devil? Hey, man. Thank you. Sally right. So here Hebrews chapter 2 10 11 and 14. Let's look at what we can understand from this right Firstly, uh, we see that Jesus identified with his birth Right, uh, Jesus identified with us in his birth so now All of us have been born into this world right now Jesus was Before the creation of the world Right, he was there. He was the one who created the heavens and the earth But how did Jesus identify with us? Jesus Identified with us in his birth He decided Now Jesus didn't decide. Okay. Um, I'll just come into this world as a 17 year old young man Stay in this world for maybe, you know another Couple of years Do a few miracles do choose the disciples to he could have done everything even if he had come when he was 17 years old Yes, all of us agree with that right 18 17 18 even if he was 20 years old Jesus could have come and he was 20 Uh, you know by the time 10 years of preparation 30 started his ministry Three and a half years done everything that he that we read about in his ministry Right, uh, but he didn't do that. He identified With us in his birth Right, so he became a human being He was born Like a baby. He was he was in his mother's womb for nine months The conception was a miracle But the process was natural Nine months the baby grew in the stomach Right Now he identified us with us in his birth so that we could be identified with him in his death Now the same way he died He didn't die in his spirit He died in his body Right and through his death Even when we die We are identifying with his death Right so that we could be identified with him in his death So because of his death We are identified in him So he can say I know how painful it is He has tasted death for us He has tasted being a child And he has tasted being The things of this world And he has tasted death for us So that We can be identified with him Now we we looked at all of this previously as well You know, there was no use of god, you know, jesus just came And then after one week being crucified and he dies No, there's no there's no identification there satan would have said what is this he came for one week He's just living I didn't get an opportunity to tempt you in every way. I didn't get an opportunity I would have made sure that you would have sin Satan can come and say that but now satan has no grounds He had 33 and a half years All his attempts failed Right we can identify here with him in his death Jesus became like unto us so that he could represent us on the cross He he became like us Jesus had the same human features right And we looked about it looked at it last class as well in Isaiah that There was nothing that was beautiful or very great about him Right And so he became like us What was jesus doing he was doing his father's business helping out his father The book of james Says that you know mark also says Uh when they all came and saw that this man is talking full of wisdom They asked him Which school did you go to which where did you get his education or his teaching from? Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't he the carpenter and the carpenter's son aren't his brothers with us And his sisters as well Right they identified with jesus Just not like jesus was somewhere sitting in the mountains and no they he identified with people He people identified him Being god he was willing to drop down to that level In the mind of god we were in him on the cross Wow, this is so wonderful imagine God is crucifying his own son Jesus is on the cross sinless man But in the father's mind As he's looking at the cross from heaven He's seeing all of us All our sins All our shame all our guilt our condemnation our sicknesses and our Diseases everything he's seen in the cross. He's not seeing his son He's not seeing okay. This is my beloved son He's seeing us And jesus in the cross He's seeing as if we were in jesus On the cross. So he's putting all the judgment upon him What happened to christ on the cross happened to you and me because we were in him only thing We didn't have to experience it We didn't have to experience that painful death You know, what about people who are believers who are going through painful death Going through difficulty. You know, I know a lot of you know, well meaning very Good believers Who have gone through painful times of cancer? You know the fourth stage they've been so You know painful times chemo and radiation and all of these things and Their body has just been so weak and it is very very painful to see these things But you know what the best part was each and every one of them Were joyful That even if death passes Even if death comes I would be with the lord forever So none of them were fearful of death Yes, there was pain There was intense pain being in the hospitals being in the going through these radiations and chemo and all these Medicines and adverse effects on the body. Yes, there was pain But Through that pain, they still had an assurance That you know, I remember this one person this man he was diagnosed suddenly with fourth stage cancer and He went through a very difficult time He was a young man in his early 40s Went through very difficult times of chemo and radiation. He was doing well Then again, it became malignant again. It started spreading But throughout the whole ordeal even through all that pain. One of the things he told me was I am desiring to see Jesus as he is So that is surpassing all the pain That that weight that joy of waiting to see Jesus I would know I will see him face to face. I will be with him That joy was surpassing the intense pain of coughing blood and all these things in the hospital That is the difference What happened to Christ on the cross happened to you and me because we were in him On the cross Jesus Christ broke sin's power of of over our lives Now when we are in Christ the power of sin has been defeated Are we sinners right now? No But if we have fallen into sin or we are living a life of sin It is because we are allowing the enemy Or giving him access into our lives But the scriptures in roman chapter 6 teaches us that the power of sin has been defeated over our lives Imagine there's a temptation that's coming coming. It's coming. It's getting stronger It's getting stronger and as a believer you're trying your best not to fall into that temptation but When we stand on this truth The power of sin has been defeated. We ask the holy spirit to empower us We will be able to overcome any temptation Doesn't matter what kind of temptation we'll be able to overcome it Right There are three things in terms of The power of sin broken in our lives first thing we must know it We must know in our hearts that okay the power of sin has been broken Two We must reckon this to be true. This should be an absolute fact now There will be times when the enemy will come and say No last time You Fell for sin. You were you did this such a wrong thing And now you're praying. What will God think of you? What will God say Right. Do you think God can forgive such a terrible sin that you have made? And what is the enemy doing? He's putting guilt. He's putting condemnation This is the time we must know That the power of sin in our lives has been defeated Remember what we studied God does not owe Satan anything Nor do you and I owe Satan anything Because we are God's children. We don't owe Satan. We don't owe him even an explanation Oh Satan actually that time you had come with the stronger demons, but now I'll be able to we don't have to explain it We must know our standing in God To must know it as we should reckon this to be true The enemy will say last time you sin this time also you can sin And you can continue it because it's not going to help you anyway by you know walking in the truth That is the time we say no I reckon this truth that the power of sin Of sin and my life has been defeated Three we must walk in this truth I'm not saying that we will not face temptations But when we know these three no walk and reckon the power of Of of Satan the power of sin over our lives will be broken Right, so let's take this example. So if the enemy comes and puts a thought into our mind, you know What you can do? You can you know just commit suicide better, you know Just end your life so that You know, uh, you don't have to go through all these challenges go through all these difficulties put an end to all this You know you're living in debt You have these problems that problem and you're living in sin. Anyway, you're not pleasing God through what you're doing Why don't you just end your life? Now when this comes remember, it's the work of the enemy. What must we do? We must know what Jesus said The power of sin has been defeated. We must reckon it. We must say no I'm not going to obey or I'm not going to take this thought We must overpower it with the word of God three. We must walk in that truth When we do these things We'll know that the power of the enemy has been defeated Right, so we'll stop here And we will continue from next week from On the cross how Christ annulled the power of the enemy. So we'll stop here And we'll pick up from next week. All right. Can we just close in prayer, please? Isaac, is it okay if you can please close in prayer? Yes, pastor. I'll try. Yes, go ahead. And I want to thank you for this wonderful time we have together I want to glorify your name I want to ask you to continue to bless our faculties our pastors who are impacting knowledge, you know I want to ask for that father god that he give us the receptive heart so that we hear Obey listen can implement your words so that we also will be a blessing to others Who want to thank you for every other thing that you are doing for the ministry and for apc Father want to thank you. I want to glorify your name. May your name be glorified from eternity to eternity These are every other Help ask in the name of our lord and savior Jesus christ. Thank you father. Thank you God bless us all Amen. Amen. Thank you so much. Isaac. Thank you everyone For joining have a great week ahead. See you next week. God bless


Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2017 of the Finance and Constitution Committee. We have apologies this morning from Neil Bibby, and can I ask those who have mobile phones to put them on at least in a mode week that won't interfere with proceedings? I'm most grateful. The first item and agenda today is to decide whether to take item 3 in private. Are members agreed? We are agreed. The next item on our agenda is to take evidence on the Domestic Abuse Scotland Bill's financial memorandum from the Scottish Government bill team, and I welcome to the meeting Philip Lamont, Patrick Down and Kevin Philpot. Members will have received copies of submissions received on the financial memorandum, so we'll just get straight into questions. I'll leave it to Kevin, because I think he's the senior Philip. Sorry, Philip, apologies.  A number of local authorities have, in response to the financial memorandum, raised concerns that the bill might lead to increased demand, for example, on children's or housing services, which hasn't really affected the financial memorandum, and other local authorities have provided contra-evidence to say that the financial memorandum represents a reasonably accurate picture. It would be useful if you could explain to us how you went about producing the financial memorandum, what input service providers had to producing that memorandum, and whether you consider now in the light of the evidence that it's been received, whether that requires any amendment. We started from the premise of looking at the direct costs of the bill. What's in the bill is the creation of a new offence of domestic abuse, and there's some auxiliary provisions associated with that. We were, to a large extent, focused on the direct costs to the justice system of introducing a new criminal offence. We started dialogue with the Crown Office because they are very knowledgeable in terms of the number of current cases that go through the court system in relation to domestic abuse, to try and estimate what impact having that new offence will have on the number of cases that go through the system. In order for a case to go through the system, a report has to be made to the police, or indeed it just needs to come to the attention of the police. It then has to be passed to the prosecutor. A decision has to be made to prosecute. There's enough evidence that goes to court and then the eventual disposal. What's laid out in the financial memorandum is very much looking at the direct costs of having a new offence. Picking up on one of the elements that some local authorities have raised, we would accept that there is a gap in relation to criminal justice social inquiry reports, because we are estimating around 650 additional convictions a year in relation to domestic abuse. Many of those, if not all of them, will require a criminal justice social inquiry report, so that's a fair bit of feedback from local authorities in that respect. I think that what we would say in respect of some of the other issues raised in terms of support for housing support, for victims of domestic abuse, et cetera, we would acknowledge that the bill may have some sort of impact on that area. We do think that that's more of an indirect cost because we are not legislating directly to provide for that support. Indeed we hope that the creation of the new offence will, in due course, lead to less domestic abuse taking place. There is an argument for saying that, while we accept and acknowledge the comments made by some local authorities, though not all, as you've indicated, in respect of those indirect costs, we're not entirely convinced that it would be appropriate to put estimates within the financial memorandum, because we think that those are more indirect costs. We do accept on the criminal justice social inquiry reports that would be a direct cost, because those are required where someone has been convicted, is a waiting sentence and if a court asks for one criminal justice social work, are required to provide one and we are estimated approximately 650 additional convictions a year, so that would be a gap in the financial memorandum when we accept that. Have you managed to cost what that gap would be at that stage? We haven't yet costed that. I would say the volume of 650 convictions in a court system and a criminal justice system, where there are thousands and thousands of convictions, it's not, I wouldn't say it was significant overall, although I do accept for individual local authorities, it may be significant, but still 650 across the whole of Scotland over 12 months, it's not, I wouldn't say it was that significant. James. Obviously, what underpins this legislation is that a new offence has been created for domestic abuse in order to capture more incidents of domestic abuse and lead to successful prosecutions. I'm just interested in the calculations that underpin the financial memorandum for that, so you've come up with a figure for a 6 per cent increase in the number of cases it would be taking forward. Can you give a bit of explanation as to how that 6 per cent was arrived at? I think that we acknowledge that it's difficult to estimate the extent to which the creation of a new offence of domestic abuse will lead to an increase in the number of cases prosecuted in the courts, an increase could arise either from behaviour that is not currently criminal, which it becomes possible to prosecute using the new offence, and just from general increased public awareness of domestic abuse, meaning that victims of domestic abuse are more willing to come forward and report to the police than perhaps they would otherwise be. This central estimate of 6 per cent is based in part on work done by the UK Government in 2014-15 to estimate the likely impact of the offence of controlling of coercive behaviour in an intimate or family relationship. They arrived at this figure of 6 per cent. Their offence is in some respects wider than ours in that it covers family relationships that aren't between partners. In other respects, we think that it's a narrower offence because the definition of coercive and controlling behaviour is narrower. One of the reasons, therefore, in the memorandum that we have given these other estimates of what the effect of a 2 per cent rise or a 10 per cent rise in the number of cases will be is that we accept that there is a fair degree of uncertainty about exactly what the impact of this new offence will be. Perhaps a useful bit of background context is that the number of cases with a domestic abuse marker resulting in a conviction recorded by Crown Office in the last 10 years has increased pretty dramatically already. I think that 10 years ago there were around 5,000 and the most recent year I think that around 12,000 people convicted of an offence with a domestic abuse marker. That might be a sign that the scope of further increases is perhaps not as great as it would otherwise be, but I think that we'd acknowledge that it's hard to say for certain. How confident are you in the 6 per cent figure, bearing in mind from your explanation that basically what you've done is taken that from research based on a change at UK level? I think that we've used the UK Government figure and we've also looked at the two areas where we think would drive such an increase. So we think generally the creation of the new offence so that people, perpetrators, victims, family and friends of victims are more aware of what is domestic abuse will drive a general increase in reporting. That includes things that are already against the law, so cases where abuse is currently being undertaken before the law changes but in the future people will be more willing to come forward. The way that the offence works is that it extends the criminal law to cover psychological abuse for the first time, which can either be very difficult or cannot be prosecuted under the existing law. The combined effect of those two things, coupled with the experience and the estimates down south, led us to the central estimate of 6 per cent, with a margin of uncertainty of 2 to 10 per cent, which is why we have given those figures in the financial memorandum. We know Crown Office and Police Scotland, who we work closely with on the financial memorandum. Both consider that and some local authorities well consider that to be a reasonable central estimate. I won't overstate it. There is clearly uncertainty and challenge. One of the areas of uncertainty is because this is not just a new offence that is criminalising behaviour that is not currently criminal. It also captures some behaviour that already is criminal but will be able to be prosecuted in a different way in the future and separating that out from truly new cases that cannot be prosecuted is very challenging. What would you say to those who say that the figure might appear on the low side on the basis that you calculate that there would be 1,178 additional cases brought for prosecution, whereas the police currently report that they attend 28,198 incidents where no crimes were recorded? One of the reasons why Police Scotland record more incidents of domestic abuse than crimes is because the recording standard for domestic abuse that they use is to record any incident that might amount to a crime of domestic abuse. They are required, under the recording standard, to include incidents of domestic abuse, even where a crime has not been committed. For example, a neighbour hears some shouting going on and they get called to a house and then they speak to the parties and they are satisfied. No crime has been committed. They will still record that as an incident of domestic abuse. We are not criminalising that in the future, so we do not think that, out of approximately 28,000 cases or incidents of domestic abuse that are not currently recorded as crimes, that our offence is going to come along and sweep all those up. We think that a small proportion will be caught by the new offence. As you have outlined, just over 1,000 additional cases marked for prosecution each year is the central estimate. You think that that is reasonable, but the new legislation will capture just over 1,000 and these 28,000 cases at the bulk of them will remain unprosecuted? They will remain unprosecuted because there will not be crimes. The example that I have given you there is a relatively standard type of example that Police Scotland will have to deal with. They will get called out, or indeed they may just witness it themselves. They often will speak to the parties and they will come to the conclusion that no crime has been committed. Certainly the way our new offence works, in the example that I gave you, a crime would not be committed in that situation, but there will be additional cases of the order that we have suggested. I would like to refer to the evidence that was put in by Scottish Women's Aid, because I am interested in their preventative spend angle. You might not be able to answer this, but in their Scottish Women's Aid evidence, they are suggesting that the overall picture of cost to Scotland, in terms of costs in provision of public services for violence against women, is £1.6 billion, which is quite staggering in itself. I think that there is a huge potential for preventative spend in this area. The idea being that if you deal with perpetrators at an earlier stage, that can act as a deterrent against further offending. Also, there is quite a potential for a normative change as well, which could lead to less offending in the future. Have you done any research or is there any evidence on what the value of the preventative spend might be? I think that I answered that in two ways. In the financial memorandum at paragraph 129, we did reflect at the conclusion of the financial memorandum that, obviously, we hope that this new offence in the future will lead to a reduction in offending. When new offences come forward, people who support the policy often say that, but why we think that it will be the case in this context is that, for the first time with the new offence, we are seeking to reflect our modern understanding of what domestic abuse is. Currently, domestic abuse is prosecuted under a range of different offences, what we call single incident offences, and what this offence is seeking to do is to capture within it the way in which what domestic abuse can be carried out, physical abuse and psychological abuse are a mix of the two. In due course, we hope that that sends a very clear signal and greater understanding to victims, yes, so that they understand that justice system can respond to such abuse, but also perpetrators, so that they can actually see what they are doing is wrong, because one of the major issues at present is that a lot of perpetrators do not understand or cannot conceive that what they are actually doing is wrong. We have mentioned that in the financial memorandum. We have not included any specific estimates because, as we have already indicated in other areas, it is quite challenging to come up with a specific estimate and we did not feel that it was appropriate to do so, but we have referred to it briefly in the financial memorandum. In terms of the wider prevention agenda, one of the key aims of the additional funding that the Scottish Government committed in from March 2015, the £20 million from the justice budget has been one of the key themes uses of the money has been to try and prevent future offending. One area where additional funding has been given, which is referred to briefly in some of the evidence from local authorities, is the Caledonian system, which is the perpetrator programme that exists in some parts of the country, where men, primarily men, who have been convicted of domestic abuse, can agree or can be sent on this programme to try and change their future behaviour. New funding has been given to that last year to improve the operation of the current programme with a view to see whether it can be expanded in other parts of the country, because, for example, although it does operate in many parts of the country, it does not currently operate in Dundee or Glasgow, two of the areas with some of the highest per head of population rates of domestic abuse. Clearly, there is further scope to move forward in that kind of area. In terms of other preventative spend from the £20 million, one of the areas that has been spent is a project from the University of Strathclyde to look at attitudes on campuses in terms of gender equality. There was a research report that was published last week, which showed that there is still quite some way to go in that area. One of the areas that the University of Strathclyde is looking at is to produce a toolkit for use across university and higher education institutions in Scotland. I do not think that I have directly answered your question, but clearly, in the prevention agenda, we think that the offence has a role to play in that in the longer term. We are not naive to think that they will introduce it and suddenly people's behaviour will change overnight, but in due course, as the police, prosecutors and the courts make use of the new offence, we think that that should help to change some people's behaviour so that they can understand what they are doing is wrong, and appropriate steps can be taken to deal with the behaviour that currently cannot be done under the current system. Phillips raised the issue of the Caledonian programme. I was going to bring in Murdo later, but given that it has now been introduced to the conversation, Murdo, do you want to pick up now? Yes, thank you. I wanted to ask around the question of cost to local authorities and community payback orders. You say in paragraph 77 of the financial memorandum that the average cost of the community payback order is £2,259. The evidence that we have from local authorities suggests that, in fact, in the case of domestic abuse, the CPOs tend to be more expensive and require additional time and resource. The Caledonian programme is referred to now. For example, in Frees and Galloway Council tells us that not all areas in Scotland are able to deliver the Caledonian programme at this particular time. They will have to set up new systems to do that, and there will be additional cost in terms of delivering that compared to the standard CPOs. I wonder if you can give me just your response to those comments from various local authorities. I think that this gets us back to what may be the direct and indirect implications of the bill. We are not legislating in the bill in respect of the Caledonian system. It is currently available as a disposal in some areas of Scotland. Clearly, it is very relevant for this new offence, and the longer-term Scottish Government aspiration is for it to be available in more areas. That is why funding was given last year to look at the current operation of the Caledonian project to see if it can be expanded in due course, and in part that is in the context of this new offence. In respect of a suggestion that new funding will not be needed directly, it very much depends on the process of cases going through court and the decisions made by the court in terms of relevant disposals. However, we do not doubt the use of the Caledonian system, and of course we will monitor to see if the uptake in the areas in which it is currently operating does increase as a result of having the new offence being on the statute books to see whether what that means in terms of the funding that is given for the Caledonian project. I think that I am right in saying that currently the Scottish Government gives approximately £2 million a year to fund the Caledonian project. As I said, there was an additional £360,000 given, or announced in November, I think over about an 18-month period, not specifically to deliver the programme but to look at improving how it operates with a view to seeing whether it can be expanded. In particular, the two areas that I mentioned, Dundee and Glasgow, where you have two of the areas with the highest incidence of domestic abuse per head, not to have such a perpetrator programme available to the court as a disposal, seems to be something that should be addressed if possible. Just so that I am clear, would you accept the general principle that community payback order for domestic abuse tends to be more expensive to deliver than general community payback orders? The work that was done in 2014-15 to look at the average cost of a CPO includes within that a lot of CPOs that will include domestic abuse cases. I am not aware of any specific work that shows explicitly that a CPO relating to a domestic abuse case is higher than an average CPO, so I could not confirm that. I do note that at least one local authority said that it was appropriate to use the general average that was produced in 2014-15, but I do not have enough information to disagree with what you are saying, but I can necessarily agree with it if that makes sense. I was interested in the evidence from the Highlands that was submitted to us, that they were quite clearly able to identify potential savings. That was in contrast to some of the other council areas. It may not be something that you can answer, but just when I was reading through the evidence, I noticed that the Edinburgh Council mentioned things like associated costs of the named person scheme that might come from that. I know that Highlands has been running the named person scheme for a very long time and had very solid evidence that it reduced costs at the end of the day and focused resource where it was required. I wonder whether you would be able to give me any comments on that. We did find it quite interesting in the divergence in some local authorities, the way that they have approached giving evidence in terms of the potential for savings. It is not something that was raised with us. In terms of the preparation of the bill, there were two separate consultations. One of the consultations did ask for views from stakeholders in relation to the financial impact of having a new offence of domestic abuse. Although quite a few local authorities did reply, some of the information that they are now providing is a little bit different or certainly more extensive than they did when we did the consultation, so to a limited extent we were a little bit hamstrung when we were producing the financial memorandum, not having the information. I think that I would suggest also that I am not again sure that I would call the bill. Where it is a provision of a service to a victim of domestic abuse, is that a direct cost of what we are doing in the bill? They are already being abused at the present time. In the future, we hope that the justice system through the new offence can more appropriately hold a perpetrator to account, but does that necessarily mean that there are then direct costs associated? We took the view that it would not be appropriate to try and estimate those, because we do not think that there are necessarily direct costs, but we do acknowledge that in a general way, if more people are able to come forward and seek to engage with the justice system by making reports, it may also be that there are other knock-on implications of that, but I am not able to give you a specific comment in terms of the information from the Highlands compared to other areas, I am afraid. Good morning. I wanted to explore very similar issues. I appreciate what you are saying about the desire to focus only on direct costs that are immediately connected to the legislation that is being passed rather than to other services and the indirect impacts. Repeatedly throughout the memorandum, the following phrase is used, it is not anticipated that there will be any new costs following on other bodies, individuals or businesses, as a result of the new offence. That seems to imply that, not only that you are not looking at the question of indirect costs, but you think that there aren't any. Is that an accurate reading of that sentence? I think that that sentence could have more appropriately been worded. Would you not estimate or anticipate there will be any direct cost arising from what is in the bill, but I appreciate that what you have read out there could be qualified slightly. Is it the view of the Government that you would agree with the comments from Scottish Women's Aid and others when they say that, undoubtedly, there will be increased requests for refuge accommodation and direct support for women and children by workers, resulting in increased pressure on local women's aid groups already strained resources? They have said that this is an issue that requires to be addressed by the Scottish Government and local authorities in order to support valuable and valued women's aid services. Is that something that the Government agrees with? I think that the Government would acknowledge that if more people have confidence that the justice system is going to deal appropriately with domestic abuse and that results in more reports being made, which we estimate within the financial memorandum, that may have knock-on indirect implications for a range of services provided by local authorities and the third sector. At the moment, I am sure that there are people who are in a position where they do not feel that they can go anywhere in terms of the abuse that they are suffering, and if they have more confidence in the future to engage with the authorities, whether that is the police or, indeed, just go into Scottish Women's Aid direct or to local authority, that could have implications for them. However, I would come back that we are creating a new offensive domestic abuse, and I still think that there is a separation between what we are doing and those knock-on implications. Women's Aid groups will, at the moment, almost certainly provide support to victims of domestic abuse who may never report the abuse to the police, because the abuse that they are experiencing cannot easily be prosecuted under the existing law or simply because, for whatever reasons, they do not wish to get involved with the criminal justice system. Some of those costs will be costs that are already being incurred by third sector groups like Women's Aid because the fact that behaviour is occurring may be enough to get somebody to go to a group like Women's Aid even if they are not wishing to engage with the justice system. It is certainly easy to argue that there may be individual cases that might be subject to prosecution in the future, but which are not currently where there are support services being provided. However, the organisations providing the support services are very clear in their evidence that they anticipate not just an increased number of referrals, but the potential for longer-term support being needed for victims in particularly complex cases and associated training costs to services to deal with the issues being identified here. Even if the Government takes the view that they should not be reflected specifically and directly in the financial memorandum, is it the intention of the Government at some point to assess those costs and provide for them? Clearly, ministers will keep under review the funding arrangements for third sector organisations to look at a range of factors and any new pressures that may arise, which may be indirectly as a result of this new legislation will clearly be kept and factored into the future spending reviews and budget processes, but I feel that I could commit on behalf of ministers at that point decision will be taken by them at the appropriate time as budgets are being set. I think that the outset, you accepted that you had perhaps not estimated the additional cost of criminal justice, the short reports and so on. Will that now go forward and will the memorandum be amended in light of that? I think that, within the standing orders of the Parliament, the financial memorandum can be revised after stage 2. I am not sure that it is able to be revised, but we could take guidance from the Parliament, but we could certainly write a letter to the committee to clarify once we looked into it what we think those additional costs may be so that you have the full information. If you look at the two Ayrshire submissions, you will see that North Ayrshire provided some detail about what their estimate of additional costs would be. East Ayrshire was pretty much content with the estimates, but it pointed out that, if there were additional criminal justice report costs, it would expect that to be forthcoming. Can you just say a wee bit about the North Ayrshire submission? The estimate of £137,000 extra that they would require is quite a substantial part of your estimate for the entire cost for the whole of Scotland. Is it North Ayrshire Council number 8? You can see in paragraph 4 the highlighted four additional cost areas, the total which comes to about £137,000, which is a substantial amount compared to your own estimate for the whole country. Obviously, we can consider in detail what North Ayrshire has said in paragraph 4. Reading some of it again I think falls into this kind of direct, indirect cost argument. I think that we would need to look carefully, but many of the things that are included in the North Ayrshire summary, I certainly do not doubt that work goes on in these areas in North Ayrshire, but those services already exist and it is whether you can say that the new offence will directly lead to these additional costs in this area. We are clearly happy to look into it and maybe in the letter that we will send on the criminal justice social work costs we can respond in detail to what North Ayrshire has said and give further information that might be helpful to the committee. Okay, I do not see a submission from South Ayrshire. Do you know if they submitted or whether it has just not been included? Is that a complete list? It was staffs that responded to the council's call for evidence that it was not the Government's call for evidence. Does it not look like it on the list of respondees? Well-saved. Has that been concluded? Well, thank you very much. I thank officials for coming along today and giving us some very useful evidence in terms of the financial memorandum. We will obviously consider how we respond to today's evidence taken session. At the start of the meeting the committee agreed to take item, the next item in private. I therefore now close the public part of the meeting. The next meeting of the committee will take place on 14 June when we expect to take evidence in relation to the constitutional aspects of the committee's remit. I suspend the meeting to allow public and officials to leave and we'll just keep going.


Couple decides to adopt Chinese girl the moment they see her silver eyes. It was 2015, and Erin Austin was scrolling through her Facebook when she noticed a post added by an adoption advocacy group page that she was a part of. It's a sad fact that there are an overwhelming amount of children in this world that are waiting to find a home. Just in the United States alone, there are over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted and 600,000 children stuck in the foster care system. Fortunately, there are loving people out there that want nothing more than to open their home to a child in need. This loving couple found one of those children and immediately jumped at the chance to include her in their family. Erin immediately saw one thing that stood out on the little girl, and it would be the one thing that made the couple realize that they wanted to expand their family. Erin and her husband were already the proud parents of two beautiful children, but that post made them open to adopting more children. You see, the little girl in the photo was from China, but that wasn't the most striking thing about her. It was the little girl's eyes that caught the attention of Erin and Chris. This little girl is very special, and anyone that sees her could immediately tell. The photo showed her as an infant, her eyes the most piercing silver slash blue, and the description included her diagnosis, blindness from congenital glaucoma, Erin wrote on Blind New World. Where most people would run from a child who was a bit different, Erin and Chris jumped at the opportunity. When I saw the picture on Facebook, I don't understand why, I don't have any explanation. But when I look at her eyes, I see everything about her that brought us together, Erin said in a YouTube video by Special Books by Special Kids. In January of 2016, the couple adopted the little girl with silver eyes, who they named Primrose. When it comes to adoption, there's something that pulls on the heart strings that is really hard to explain. Some people can explain it spiritually and say that God is telling them that this is their daughter or their son. And some people just have this gut feeling that they're theirs, explained Chris. The family is more than happy with their decision to adopt Primrose, but they do receive a lot of questions. And more often than not, people say sorry for Primrose's condition. But Chris always replies with, there's nothing scary about blindness, there's nothing to apologize about. People also took it so far as to ask the couple why they would adopt Primrose in the first place. Why wouldn't we? Chris would ask. She is brilliant, even with her developmental delays, even with a genetic puzzle we are still piecing together, Erin wrote. Despite her disabilities, Chris and Erin couldn't be more happy with their decision. She is everything anyone could ever want in a child. Loving, affectionate, curious, precocious, joyful, and our family simply would be incomplete without her, Erin explains.


President Mohammed Buhari has been urged to order the Independent Corrupt Practices and Other Related Crimes Commission, RCPC, to take over the 1.5 trillion Naira-Ford allegation against the Director-General of the Nigerian Maritime and Safety Agency, NIMASA, Bashir Jamal. Rising from oppressed briefings in Lagos, the Center for Public Accountability in collaboration with the Coalition of Civil Society Organization says it no longer has faith in the economic and financial crimes commission to handle the probe. Convener of the Center, Olufemi Lawson, says their group is sending out a petition that the President and the Senate alleging that the EFCC Chairman, Abdul Rashid Bawa, is complicit as three of his siblings enjoy fully paid scholarship by NIMASA. Lawson also takes a swipe at Bawa who he says has been in the news recently for all the wrong reasons. We are also calling on the National Assembly, particularly the Senate, to ask the EFCC Chairman to step aside on this matter while the thorough investigation is carrying out to unravel the mystery behind the scholarship given to his siblings by the DG of NIMASA. We have monitored the EFCC Chairman since he has zoomed office and we have discovered that he is always playing to the gallery instead of facing the task of preventing and fighting corruption. To address our point, you recorded recently a court in Abu Dhabi, you know, virtually convicted him, you know, because of his disobedience of his office.