Hey everybody welcome back to Lynxcast. I'm your host Matt. I'm joined by Tyler as always how you doing Tyler doing good doing good That's good. So What do you've been doing in Linux this week Tyler you've been doing anything fun? Yeah, I've been playing around with Katie enjoying the heck out of Just trying it out again because I know Katie like it's not it's not for everybody, but I mean I Like it. It's just been so long since I've used it So it was nice to play around with it, but I'm back home in arch using Just DWM and I've I've been playing around it and I have finally found a Handwritten font that I can use like everywhere and then I just really like I'm using it the terminal like Everywhere it's called yo Mogi or whatever. It's like a I believe it's a Google font but it I Absolutely love it. I'm using it everywhere Yeah, that's that's about it because I've just Really I'm gonna try to find this fun because I want to see what it looks like. I'm curious Let's show it on screen here I've really wanted a font that's like Handwritten sort of looks fun, but it still maintains readability And this one doesn't that is Interestingly interesting you use that in your terminal, man. What are you? That is interesting it's definitely unique because everybody uses mono space fonts and the terminal so yeah, all right, so For me for on this week on Linux or this week for me in Linux I can't talk with the damage. So this is gonna be bad I've been So I I really can't talk I Put a poll up on the community page asking for what my first long-term Distro view is because for ages. I just did this reviews like every other Linux youtuber does them and you know Install the thing showed the applications and then I was done It wasn't it wasn't review so much as it was an installed tutorial and those things are horrible. They're boring They get a ton of views, which is why everybody does them, but They're just really boring to make so I decided what I was going to do is install something on hardware for a long period of time and I got this laptop back here that I use every day and So I put a poll up and Debian one so I've spent the last two days trying to install Debbie and You would I mean after installing arch you would think that I Would be a tune to installing Linux in a you know well because arch is fairly difficult in terms of installation You know compared to like Ubuntu, right? I mean you think you know Because then Debbie is just another version of Ubuntu just older and you know, whatever no, that's not the case I spent the last two days trying to figure out how to get the Wi-Fi to work on that computer because it doesn't have an ethernet jack so I had to have the Wi-Fi to works and You know I put another post up on Twitter I put a post up on the community thing a thing like I can't get this done people were trying to help me and stuff and Yeah, when you try to Debbie and use you complained about the website Yeah, you couldn't get to work. Well, I got to work But did you know that they have like 16 different pages for different isos? Yeah? Yeah, that's the most dumb thing I've ever it's just the stupidest thing ever like which I still were you supposed to use You know that there's like at least four non-free ones who like like everybody in the community page will use the non-free iso Which one, you know, they have like four different ones And then you know they have one that says it's like a live environment non-free iso I tried that and got that installed, but Wi-Fi still wouldn't work Somebody finally did just give me the link to the right one, which is how I ended up getting installed Otherwise, I'd probably still be doing it But see that's my point everyone makes it out like deviant is just it's much easier than Arch like arch is supposed to be this super difficult like mean and it's really not it's pretty easy I mean, it's it's still not as easy as Ubuntu to get installed, but compared to deviant I mean sure if you get lucky and you get the right iso or you just don't need Wi-Fi or whatever Yeah, you'll probably have a great time Yeah, yeah, if I had been using this on my main computer where I'm plugged into ethernet It would have been fine, right because you know and on this computer. I have the ethernet cable I'm using an AMD, you know graphics card, which has the drivers in the kernel You know, I'm using it, you know, it's just it would work perfectly fine This but I didn't want to install on this computer because I'm happy with where this computer is that and I don't want to Touch it because it might fall apart That one there has Intel graphics in it and an Intel, you know CPU and I Got installed finally after getting the non-right iso, but man is screen tearing like a bitch Like I mean, it's just like every time you scroll it. This looks like Horrendous now. I haven't had a chance to actually go back there and you know Try to figure out how to fix it because there's several work runs you can do I did get BS PWM installed today So that's that was the did the window manager. I decided I was gonna use with it. It's a it's gonna be interesting I like I don't think Debbie and itself is necessarily hard. It's just they're a poet. They're they're refusal to include Non-free binaries in their standard iso. That's the problem, right? And yeah, I kind of stand everybody We love Phos. It's great. Hurrah. Hurrah. Hurrah.  It's not the end of the world like Yeah, there you can still say they're bad and still need them like why my Yeah, why if I should put like Wi-Fi blob should be proprietary, but I mean you need them Yeah, so my analogy was some similes It would be like building a car, but because you're opposed to rubber not having any tires on it, you know Like you technically you have a car It may drive it not gonna drive very good You know, you're not gonna want to ride it, right? So Wi-Fi and internet is essential to a computer in it, you know It you for the most part you can now I understand there's probably Free drivers that work with some cards And that's probably where dead bean is kind of point to but as far as I know those Situations are kind of few and far between because every almost every computer you get is going to be using an Intel Wi-Fi card Yeah, like and those require proprietary drivers So it's it's just really weird and I don't know if you've tried to buy Ones that will just work with a non-free like they're supposedly supposed to like just work with non-free drivers They're expensive like those cards aren't cheap and I would challenge you to go into Best Buy and say hey A laptop but it has to have a Wi-Fi card in it that works with Linux or we work for the Debian I mean first of all the the high schooler that it's hoping he's probably like what's Linux He's be like what what what is this a Debbie on that you speak of?  I'm struggling with Linux and wishing I was using Windows Sure, okay Did I tell you I didn't stall Windows on that computer for like a day? I had I had it on the in the back. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What yeah. Yeah, so I talked about this last week I had to install the new firmware for my camera and it only works on Linux or on Windows So I had to do that and I trolled everybody by having on in the background during the stream on Sunday All right, so yeah, that didn't say that very long I I soon What did I go? I feel like I had a step between Windows and Debian, but I don't remember what it was This just sounds like you're trying to cover it up like you've secretly fallen in love with Windows like you're running Windows now This screen's still black back there. So it might be Windows back there. 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All right, so every single week we go through and we choose a link of news each and we talk about them So Tyler, what is your? link this week mine would be the audacity developers have apologized and revised the privacy of policy that everyone I don't know.  I am all on board with I mean, maybe if you work at news group or audacity they're perfectly fine, but they're everybody else not so much Yeah, but um, so they've they've tried to apologize and go back and I just think it's funny because I don't see this Doing anything They're still quite a few forks that are Seeming like they're getting support tenacity being one. So I Don't know this It's interesting to see them try to save face, but I don't think it's gonna help them in the end Yeah, it's just something that it really hard to Walk back when you're new Like if this if they'd owned audacity for a long time If this is just the regular audacity people that had been working on it for 20 years and they made this mistake They had built up enough, you know Goodwill in the community Where they can make mistakes and people would you know, you know, I don't like it, but I'm still gonna use audacity, right?  They have no goodwill with any of the community Like I said last week when we don't need to go over it But if they went if they'd come out of the gate and just showed like hey This is what we're gonna do with audacity and you know gotten people to look forward to that and then you know Then did these things then they would at least had somebody people at least you know They're they're screwing me over, but at least it's gonna be look awesome when they're done, you know Yeah, yeah, I mean there might be you know some some Jim Schmoe out there Who's like, you know like I mean they did some good things when they first came in so yeah I mean it should get better eventually That's the thing is we don't know if it's gonna get better eventually. They just keep doing yeah Horrible things And I mean and the thing is like everybody has a privacy policy I mean even like you know a boot who has a canonical has a privacy policy arch Linux I'm sure has a privacy policy gen 2 all of them, right? The difference is is that they're none of them are saying hey, you know what we're gonna collect Anonymous you know semi anonymous uses data without your permission or maybe without your permission Maybe with your permission. We don't know we don't really know what we're doing We're just gonna put this really horrible language in our privacy policy, which assumes we're gonna send all of your data to Russia Yeah, which is awesome, right? Yeah, like hey you want to let's just send it to China, too I mean why not yeah, I mean like while you're at it. Let's just export it to anybody who asked for Just I mean look it's okay It's good that they have at least come through instant, but the thing is It's less your apology seems less genuine when you're forced to give it, you know Yeah, when you when you when somebody comes through and says what you want you should really apologize for that And then you apologize for that it comes across as Forced and you know Less genuine because again you were forced to give it so you don't this doesn't seem sincere to me It seems like oh my god We have to do this because somebody's gonna fork this and get all of the users Yeah, we just paid for you know, so yeah, that's definitely You know, it's weird But the thing is Tyler I've been looking for an alternative to audacity there's not there's not one Okay, so I can understand there are some very professional Dawes out there like will do really good stuff and like there was what the ardure or whatever I don't even know I Can't open up it was it's not Like I'm an idiot and I'll freely admit that I'm a dumbass There's no way I'm figuring that out like I need something at least somewhat simple Yeah, you know something that I can figure out and I like I look at that like what are all these buttons for I'm just Start smashing on the keyboard and figure out what what what like that's what I think that's what may that's what Has made audacity so universal is that it is a fully featured Audio editing program that is very much laid out in a very easy to understand way Because I mean if you look at something like logic like my my buddy uses logic and every time I look at that software I'm like He's trying to tell me how easy it like how easy and intuitive it is laid out and it There's so much going on there like no no Where it's just the effects drop down Yeah See when I was a windows user I used audition and audition is very complex But that has been five or six years ago. My brain has deteriorated since then Audacity because audacity simple. So I haven't used those muscles in a long time. So that's I don't know All right so My link this week Oops wrong wrong scene. All right. My link this week is about the steam deck So first of all we can talk about the name for a little while the steam deck is that the absolute dumbest name in the history of names, I mean Steam deck. It's literally one letter one letter different from stream deck. I mean, it's just Why did this valve? The sad part is like It's not it's not like I know the controversy like between it being like the stream or like the steam pal is big but I don't like that. I don't like that name. But then also the steam deck is just So bad every time you google it every time google it's like you mean the stream deck, right? Yeah The thing like if you use being to search for this it actually won't even let you search for steam deck because it just takes you to stream deck and like Like it doesn't even assume that you mistyped it just knows you did You know It is it's like if you search for emacs on google it says do you mean vi? Like google knows I mean it's just it's it's a dumb name, but we can we can move past that it's a all right, so For those of you who've been living on under a rock and you don't know what this is. It's a seven inch 720p screen on with a controller attached to it that's going to be running arch Linux, which is an interesting choice with the A version of kde that they're calling steam os 3.0 And it has 16 gigabytes of ram up to 512 gigabytes of nvme storage although the lower end is not nvme It has a custom design amd gpu and apu And it says it's optimized for handheld gaming, which I can see although it looks chunky ram is looks Pretty heavy. Uh, I will say that the prices are very competitive I even the top end one which is like 599 or 549 or something like that That's not a horrible price for something that you know will run a lot of games uh honestly Of all the stuff the hardware and the os and stuff like that is the least interesting to me The part that I found the most interesting Is that they said that said that they're going to be working to get a hundred percent game compatibility by The time this thing launches and I think that that is the most I mean like I said the hardware and the software in terms of the actual device is really you know, it's it's great But what i'm more interested is how this feeds back into actual desktop linux and if they can manage to go through and have a hundred percent game compatibility But by the time this thing launches, that's a game changer. Yeah a game changer That's funny. I didn't even mean that it was like it was great. Um, I mean The number one reason people give of why they still have to dual boot Is because there are certain games you have to play on windows because specifically because of anti cheat And if they can solve that which I don't know if they can we'll see Uh, that'd be that'd be that'd just be huge news right and I I think it's possible like a lot of people have said it's um It's going to be really hard because you're going to need something like kernel level for for some anti cheat, which I don't I think valve is the one Organization or group of people that could actually get it done um and and and get it Fast tracked like I I know it could get done without valve, but I think valve's the only one who could get it done by December, you know like but I the the only thing that I think people are gonna Be upset about is I think the too big anti cheat like easy anti cheat and battle lie I think they're both going to work at launch I don't think every single I mean there are those more obscure anti cheats And so I I feel like there are going to be Anti cheats for you know older games or just the more obscure ones that aren't going to be 100 fully compatible at launch Um, which I still don't think is any reason to complain. I still think it's going to be great the only thing though is is I'm nervous that the steam deck is going to be doing something like the the reason vendors and everything Uh vendors and anti cheat will be working at launch is they're doing something kernel level for that device And if that's the case, that's really I don't think that's okay because then it doesn't Support and really help the larger desktop linux community. Yeah But I mean because it's like it's not like a I mean, yes, it's a custom cpu But it is an AMD cpu. So I mean you would think that any any even if You would think that if they did did something it would still translation trains like back So, I mean it's gonna be very interesting. So did you order one or did you like reserve a spot? I've I've reserved one yet the mid tier I've waffled back and forth. I still haven't I try Well, now if you go and look in reserve one, you're probably not going to get it to like quarter three or quarter four Yeah, and I don't care when I get. I mean, it's not that big of a deal I tried yesterday, but I couldn't get the page to load. So, um, Yep I'm not going to worry about it. Eventually. I'll probably end up getting one. Um It's probably would be a better idea because The later you get it the more refined it'll probably be because you know, they've gotten through and done a ton of runs and The software will probably be a little bit more refined by then too. Um Now the software being refined. I'm sure of Yeah So maybe it'll be good that I haven't been able to actually reserve one yet But so I have a couple things before we before we move on first of all Why arch like I'm the biggest arch fanboy you'll ever meet Uh, but it's definitely not something that I would put on a consumer device Um, it just it seems really weird So the only thing I can assume is that they're going to be doing something similar to like women Jaro does and have their own like repos that are kind of delayed back from the regular arch repos So that they don't have system level updates that just completely break things because Arch being a rolling release Break stuff every once in a while doesn't happen as often as the stereotype says it does but it does happen So it's going to be very interesting to see how They go about doing that and the other thing that I'm Worried about I guess is going to be reviews because we talked about how Maybe they're going still going to be some games that just won't play on this thing It's not going to be a lot of games But there's still going to be some games probably in that top 10 list That just aren't going to play and you know that the reviewers are going to be focusing on those things that They're not going to focus on the good stuff They're going to focus on those well, you can't play battleground You know undergrounds or whatever the hell it's called Failure, you know You know, so that's going to be a worry that I'll have around the time this thing actually does come out then What I mean with the chip shortage and everything I could see this thing being delayed I could see it being delayed but To be honest with it being its own unique chip. I think there's a good chance that they might They might be able to actually not They probably with the way that they're doing reservations and stuff. I think they'll actually be able to meet demand And like with producing it Again, it's still I mean Even with me reserving it a few days at most after it came out I'm still looking at not getting until quarter two of next year So, I mean, I think they'll be able to either they're not making that many of them Or there was more popular than what they thought it was going to be. I hope it's more popular than I thought it was going to be I really do. I really hope this thing Really just is a smash success because I mean It can only do good things for Linux if it's a success Um for gaming everything Yeah, and I and I would say with how many times that website has crashed Um so far it's a pretty good sign that there there is at least A demand for it. Yeah And I know plenty of people who like my friends who have never considered like a Linux device Or even using Linux or have already reserved theirs and So last last question. How many people do you think are going to get this and then immediately stop install windows on it? Um, sadly, I think a a lot more than we expect Because I think a whole bunch of people who are very misinformed are going to buy it and think they need to install windows on it Because there's going to be some Like they're going to like I mean if you think about it If as soon as like if you're somebody who has never used Linux before you get this The steam deck and like right before it, you know, like like you get the notifications And it's going to be delivered the next day and you're like, okay cool. And you go and look up apex legends on steam os or on linux The the results of pop up are going to all be, you know, borked doesn't work doesn't work doesn't work And then when you get the device that could have all been changed Yeah, hopefully They actually have that changed before the device came out. It'd be really nice if they've made the updates to proton and stuff like that before the device had even shipped that way Proton db, which is where they're going to find that information when I've already been updated to say, hey, you know, this stuff works um, I don't know it'll be it's going to be very interesting so um Those that's the news for the week But we're going to transition right back into valve because our main topic is should valve do more with vr Um, and this was your topic tyler. So why don't you go ahead and tell us what you're talking about? and Yeah, so valve did something fantastic with half-life alex and I I think valve is trying to do trying to be a pioneer in gaming in general When it comes to half-life alex like it was a very big controversy of the next half-life game requiring that you essentially have the money to do vr, but With things like the quest to dropping in price and being able to get vr at a more accessible price I I think valve should continue to push vr forward Um, just like they are doing here with the steam deck trying to push Linux handhelds forward And uh, also, I mean their platform In a handheld form factor forward, uh, I think I think they do a good job of innovating For for gaming um I think they should continue doing it and uh should be I I think we should see more AAA games Coming out On the vr platform Yeah, I agree. Um, because I think steam would be the appropriate kind of company to do it because They're very much focused on selling games, right? That's what they do. They're not a hardware company like Oculus is a hardware company. They're not a games company. So every game that comes out for oculus is for Oculus you can't really take a game that's meant for Oculus and use it on the Hdc vibe of where the hell is called or use it on the steam was it the steam quest? Is that was the name of the steam index index or whatever it was? Yeah, um So that's very much a siloed Place it's like the ps4, you know, it's yeah ps4 game is for ps4 and game developers then have to actually uh actively Target both the xbox and get ps4 if they want it on both platforms Whereas if they target steam Chances are steam is not going to say well, you can only use it on the the index or whatever Uh, it's a steam game so you can use it on whatever as long as the hardware can play a steam game You can play it on there. So I think that uh, if they did a much better job of uh You know allowing game developers to target different Uh, vr platforms and then got those vr platforms to say hey, we support steam as well That'd be really cool. Uh, I don't think The Like I can see like you can already place I Could be completely wrong. You can already place some steam Like vr titles on like the hgc headset, right? Yeah, uh, yeah, I mean I can play uh now again I'd have to be using windows, but I could play half-life alex or boneworks or whatever vr title um and Play it on my quest too. I could do it wirelessly or over a chord using uh steam now quest is the one from Uh, um oculus or facebook okay, so Because I was going to try to make the point that I didn't think facebook would allow steam stuff But apparently they do that so that's I mean that even makes it even more apparent that steam needs to go through and push Uh software forward a little more more game developers working that so that there's kind of like a central repository for Games that work on all hardware. It's not just for one particular You know game system Um, I think the biggest part would be for linux in general because like right now when it comes to vr Like it doesn't really matter what headset you have like if you're using steam You can play any of your vr titles on whatever. It doesn't matter if you've got a valve Uh an htc Oculus whatever it's going to run Um, I mean even the more obscure brands it's going to run Except for when it comes to linux as soon as you move over to linux even if you have valve's own hardware most likely The games and stuff like you're just going to have weird bugs and errors that you're going to run into Yeah, I could see it eventually happening happening for linux if they get proton to the point where it's perfected You know, well see I I don't even know about that because I mean if you think about it now like proton does does amazing stuff like the fact that the fact that Resident Evil 4 with just the latest version of proton I could just click and then open up and there's no problems. It just plays the game I mean a lot of stuff when it when it comes to vr I I feel like if the proper time was put into it I mean because that's really about anything like Any equation is if you throw more time into it It'll eventually happen. I think with vr. It's just how much time Until we get a rock solid experience through proton. Yeah, well, I mean there's several things right so like Valve is a very small company They're like the most profitable company in the world based on the number employees they have I mean like the employee like 12 people I mean there's more than that but it feels like it's like it's a very small number of people Especially when you compare to like what oculus or you know, uh, you know facebook or apple or google or whatever, you know, so I worry a little bit about them becoming a little bit too stretched out a little bit and things going to because they've The thing about valve is that they've never done a good job with um iteration right so they Uh come out with like the steam machines and like yeah, they didn't do the hardware But they abandoned those things because they couldn't really get a third the third party hardware vendors to actually embrace them and do good job on them but They backed out of that really quick like they didn't have They didn't put any uh, they didn't have faith in it so that once it looked like it failed They didn't actually just stick with it and see if they could fix it They just abandoned it because again, they're a very small company They don't really have the resources to stick to something that's a complete failure the steam controller And while they've somebody pointed out to me like because when I made my video on the steam deck I pointed out that the steam controller is a failure and they you know, it came out people bought it But they never come out with a second one But somebody pointed out that they've actually taken ideas from the steam controller and put it on like the thing for their um their vr thing and they put it on the steam deck and stuff so Uh, I guess in that way that the steam controller wasn't actually failure because they've gone through and it was like a beta test but it I worry not only for their vr stuff, but also for the steam deck They don't do a very good job of doing a second version Even if the steam deck turns out to be a very popular device The way people use technology these days They always want the next one that has the best and biggest processor And we can't be waiting for the steam deck 2.0 like half-life 3 where three generations for now And I mean human generations from now. We'll see us a second version Right, and especially when this is a computer right the steam deck itself is a computer somehow we've transitioned back to the steam deck, but um, you know computers very much in terms of software and stuff like that require oftentimes much more newer hardware it Nintendo and the switch get away with having a processor that's four or five years old now Uh, because it's not a computer that's just running their I mean, it's running mario.  So that means the as games progress and get more, you know Require more resources This hardware is going to have to have More resources given to it in a second version and valve has never done a second version of anything You know, like they did they did uh, like half-life 2 that was there the last time they've done a sequel to something And that was before steam existed You know, I mean now so I'm in terms of vr The you said the thing was called the index, right? That thing is now what two and a half Three years old. It's been around for a while, right? Yeah. It's a couple years old at least where's version two You know, yeah, like where's version two like and we don't like we don't have have rumors of a version two And I think it's because they're such a small company. They can only focus on one project at a time So now once they get the steam deck out, maybe they'll go back and do a version two of the vr thing I don't know and that and that would be extremely if if valve was to take time and Take what they learned from the index and be competitive with something like the quest where for I mean for 300 you have a On-the-go experience if you could take something like the steam decks hardware And make that available like inside of a headset And do vr like that on the go that would be extremely interesting. I would be very interested in that But that that's something that I don't think valve is really going to come out like sometimes like I've always said like valve is somebody who will like if they were a person They would come out and be pretty regular most of the time and then occasionally Once in their lifetime, they will come out and they come out swinging and it's amazing But it's on a very rare occasion. Yeah I think the bottom line is they just need to hire more people Other than you get a little bit better, you know You know Blizzard was the same way for years right before Activision bought them. They're a very small team and You could tell that because oftentimes they got focused on one project and then you know It was very segregated in terms of what they were working on, you know, it came out in different parts of the year Um, once Activision bought them, they were able to focus on All their games they come out with new games all the time Because they got much much bigger But when Blizzard was small, you know They just worked on one and it feels like valve is kind of the same way even though they make all this money I mean they make tons and tons of money. They're still very much a small team and uh The more products they come out with the more I'm very much worried that things are going to fall by the wayside Like the the index thing is falling by the wayside. I'm worried that the steam deck is going to fall by the wayside The only thing that they seem to be able to focus on and keep kind of up the date is steam itself, right? So Yeah, I don't know. It's it's very very interesting. Uh I don't know. I never so just a small confession. I've never once tried vr. So You absolutely have to Like I said, this is my in my steam video. I'm not a gamer Man, I'm just I'm I'm not I I play hard stone Every once in a while and I can't even know if I I I don't even know if I can say that because I haven't had it Installed in probably three or four months now So I can't even say I play hard stone anymore um Other the games that I have installed in steam right now are city skylines and this new descenders game Which I'll talk about here in a minute.  But until you've you've tried it out. You don't know exactly how cool it is Like I I always equate it to the my first experience using the original nintendo Wii Like everybody's everybody bought everybody bought a nintendo wii and everybody used it exactly one time Yeah, that's cool. And then I got started clicking dust because it was also it was also the stupidest thing ever And that's what I'd be worried that the I you know, I spend four hundred dollars on the quest or whatever Play it one time and then it would be a waste of four hundred dollars I'm very I'd be very very worried about that Maybe I'll try to find a friend or somebody who actually has one that I can try so That's that's the good part like there's Because the quest too is cheaper I have a lot of people that I know that that do do use it The the thing about the quest that makes it like fun And like sort of unique is like yeah, I might collect dust Like, you know, they're like there are definitely like a full week has gone by where I haven't touched it But there's always that like there's there will come a day when you're sitting there and you're like Do I want to actually like like Fight like zombies or like shoot like in like in a Do I want to play call of duty and actually be there? And like you have that option in vr where you can like I have played vr before where I have been rolling around on my carpet and like Squatting like peeking around like shooting like it's it's so much fun But it is very much a niche thing You're not going to be doing it every day. It's not going to replace normal gaming Yeah, I have the crappiest knees in the world.  So anyways, um, all right, let's go ahead So there was the main topic we did really good job of getting through that and you know I've realized something Tyler in this whole Show so far. We haven't had a single tangent like last week. It was all tangents this week We're staying right on time. Maybe it was because we're running late. I don't know but uh, no tangents. Anyways, so every week We choose we each choose a pick and it used to just be apps But we decided to broaden it up a little bit. We can choose whatever we want. So tyler. What is your app of the work pick of the week? Mine would be good dough fantastic game engine And you can use it on Just about any platform. I'm I'm pretty sure there's even like bsd builds of good dough. I would not be surprised But it's a it's a great 3d engine and I've been surprised with what it can do. It's pretty easy to get um Good post processing effects going on Like depth of field bloom You know anti aliasing um and then We're we're starting to mess around with uh pbr or the photo realistic textures and stuff And using those inside of good dough and it it has surprised me how how much you can do In it with 3d. It's still it's still got a lot of improvement that needs that needs being done But yeah, it's a fantastic 3d engine completely freed up in source So I love it. That looks really interesting. Uh, obviously, I'm not a gamer. So or I'm not a gamer I'm also not a game developer.  What have I been doing with my life? I could have been doing that And then even for me, I'm like, uh, I wish I knew more I'm not good enough. Well, I'm sure you probably look at like actual like People who get paid lots and lots of money to be developers like oh man. I want to be like that guy when I grow There's just levels of experience and I have zero experience with with game development I'm like then you you do the like you created a whole world and I draw stick figures when I want to draw stuff All right, so I know I said I was not a gamer, but uh Like week and a half ago or something like that steam had a sale. I mean, they're always having a sale, but On on this particular sale, they had one called the senders and I've always been a big racing game guy and Big back when I was a when I was a gamer and had the consoles and stuff that I played gaming like Gran Turismo 2 was like the Bomb I mean back then we actually said the bomb Like it was it was ages and ages ago. It was like on the playstation 2 I think it was and it was really good and we played a lot of it. So I've always I think Nostologically, I've Been trying to find some racing games that could get back into and descendants was on sale and it's a big it's a bike racing game and it has native linux support and The controllers are a little weird, but the graphics are really good And it's definitely something that I'll probably play quite a bit, but it's um Also probably one that eventually I'll probably stop playing but the Do you remember like the toning hawk games like where you You played on a skateboard or whatever and you've got points for doing trick combinations like this is kind of like that We're you know, yes, it's a racing game, but it's also one where you can do, you know bike tricks It's it's cool. Um, it was also Pretty cheap. I think I paid I think I paid like Nine dollars for it. So if you watch for it, you probably get it on sale. Normally it's 20 24 99. So I don't think I would pay 24 99 for it, but it's on sale all the time. Yeah That's one thing I love about steam gotta love about steve. You always get a game on sale Yeah, we used to have a furniture company here in michigan called art van And the joke was they were always having a sale because they're like advertised all the time Uh, they've since gone on a business because you can't it turns out that you put everything on sale all the time You can't stay a business for very long. Um, but steam's kind of like that. Um So, uh, that is it for us this week before I go I'd like to take one think our current patrons Uh, devon marcus meglin donnie spin east coast web chris mitchell mr.  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