ular monitoring But i think the other element of this that is going to be an easy win for us at the staff level Is the prevailing wage documentation and kind of the data we get from that In terms of kind of payroll and where people are located. I think that we will be able to at least Do kind of a cursory monitoring of how closely we're hitting those targets and whether 30 is truly the sweet spot And if it's not then that 30 is an element of the policy that we need to return to council to address and adjust Supportingly yeah council member. I will say as we've as we communicated with others in the area We didn't feel that 30 was going to be a difficult threshold to achieve And so we we felt comfortable putting that in there as a starting spot So it's more than a suggestion our expectation is it'll be at least 30 is what i'm hearing Okay, thank you. Yes council member flamen Yeah, I have a couple of questions one is about And it may have been covered in your responses to council member schwedholm, but You said that the faa has an issue using project labor agreements and other and the fta as well Has that changed since the biden administration has come in and issued their pro project labor agreement Executive order Yeah council member flamen great question and and this is one of the weird nuances at this point of project labor agreements Both the obama and biden administrations have issued executive order stating that project labor agreements should be used For projects as a as a reasonable way of delivering them Fta and faa my understanding in talking to entities that have tried to go through this is that The executive order didn't adjust or amend their actual policy document that guides the Distribution and the award of the projects and therefore since their governing document was not amended that they're not going to Assume that the executive order supersedes their their policy So so that's the feedback that can change With you know a policy redirection with either of those two agencies Okay, that's helpful and then the other question was about With whom to the potential to slow things down by not besting the exemption policy with the city manager Um, what would it look like if it were to say come to the city council on a consent calendar on a regular basis? What what's the worst case scenario that you see? In terms of slowing down a project by having some level of council review I'll say I would hope it's a six week Delay right it takes us that long to get on to a typical council agenda And my hope is that that would be the predominant delay in this It just reduces a little bit of the nimbleness that we think we could see by having The city manager be delegated that authority Okay Are there other Boys that you think that it could be achieved like having the city manager and the city attorney both sign off on it Or something like that to make sure that it complies with the spirit of Of whatever ordinance may be passed I think our recommend I will I see the assistant city attorney looking to to respond to let her go first Thanks assistant city manager. Not so I think that um, I think that a dual role Is appropriate and for exemptions we take from competitive bidding at the staff level It's usually a staff level recommendation and then our office reviews it for compliance with The policy itself and I think from my perspective when I think about the delay Certainly I'm extremely sensitive to the issue that council member rogers raised about not having an exemption So big that you could drive a truck through it. Um, which I realize is one of the exemptions but The idea here being that If you do a solicitation and you determine that it is going to because no one bids Or there's some issue where it is going to cause a big delay Um to the particular project Then if you have to go back to council and get a waiver of that particular pla requirement Um, then you have to rebid it without the pla. I think that that's where I get a little bit nervous about delays That could also be at the edge of the construction season. So I apologize so much and tell him ev says, uh, hello And it's time to go to bed I totally agree. Thank you Council member swerver. Did you have one? question, okay council member mcdonald Thank you. I have a couple of questions here on item 4.3.1 The language says, um specifically be inconsistent with state federal and other public funding source requirements If that language was left in there wouldn't that Proclude us from having any issues with the federal transit program money. I'm just curious if that would cover that So I think that the goal would be that that would allow for a situation where if there's a change in administrations and The philosophy around pla is changes because we are in kind of a three-year term here where there could be an election One way or the other then yes, that would address that federal issue And then the other regional issue is just some I think about like mtc Or um, you know some of the regional transit agencies that we get funding from so that's intended to capture that So just by having that in there We wouldn't have to worry about staff having to do any type of waivers on anything because that language is Included in the ordinance and it wouldn't preclude us from receiving that funding. Correct That's exactly right and that's that's the goal Great and then under 4.3.2 Is there a reason specifically that that language was used in this ordinance? If you could tell me it specifically says there is an emergency other Urgent need to protect health safety and welfare or other How do you say that word? That's a good legal word. I'm sure Oh, the ex is it exigen in that particular one? I'm trying to I can't pronounce yet. Thanks for that In circumstances. Thanks for spotlighting my dyslexia tonight. I appreciate it I apologize for that It's not your fault. Uh, can you tell me why that language was used specifically? So that language is used specifically just because we do occasionally have um and Assistant city manager net will probably be able to give you a very concrete example that I would not be able to give but the idea here is that if there's like a pipe name break or There's work that just has to be done now because it's you know flooding highway 12 or something We do have some on-call contracts and on-call work That we don't necessarily want to have the PLA be an overlay on that particular work We want to be able to just do it quickly. So that's why that's incorporated there Whether or not that's something we can make work in the future I think is something we're certainly open to But I think for now we would feel more comfortable if that was excluded or we had the authority at the staff level to exclude Great, then I have a couple more questions if we added language somewhere in the policy that said If if we want projects over a certain amount, right if we choose a specific amount And that goes out in all of our rfps say If any project over x amount based on what we agree to tonight with the PLA Would we have to come back and bring that item back to staff or anyone or that's a blanketed um We can include that in our rfps that if your bid comes back at x amount of dollars You will be subject to be part of a PLA. Isn't there a way to do that? So that we don't have to worry about oh, it's over this amount It's just our blanketed policy If you're bidding on a project and it comes in over 500 000 dollars, you're going to be part of a PLA Mm-hmm Because it seems like there's confusion around it should come back to staff. It should go to city manager So just a clean we're going to put it in our rfps. We're going to put it in this policy I I remember I'm I'm I think I'm we're happy to go ahead and make some statement that says any project that exceeds the threshold Whether whether as part of an engineer's estimate or following the award associated with the award of of bid Then you know if it's it exceeds that threshold that a project labor agreement will be associated with it I I feel like that might be able to clean up some of this who goes to what just based on our language Because if it's just part of that rfp that might be helpful And if it's part of this ordinance tonight, and I'm not sure where that could potentially be inserted But I'd be interested in that just for clarification And then as far as our own agendas goes You know if something had to come back to us if the item's already been seen this is more of a clarification I know that it typically does take us six weeks But if there was a reason that we were just revisiting an item Wouldn't we have the authority to say this is going back on based on just how we brown act and Notify our meetings. I mean if there was really something that was timely And use of money so we didn't delay projects. Is there a reason we have to go through? I mean, I feel like sometimes we're just It's our own process. We're our own bosses on this other than just letting the public know Well, there are two pieces to that one is Our open government ordinance, which requires the preliminary Agenda being on the preliminary agenda and then the final agenda and there is an exception for if there are Um urgent circumstances that arise You know after the prelim prelim agenda was published so we can work with that But the other thing is just practical. Um, our timelines in order to get something onto the agenda Goes through quite a process So the staff has to prepare the materials and then it goes through and gets approvals from Our office from finance from environmental review and that does take some time so Can we turn something around? quicker than six weeks In exceptional circumstances we can But the six weeks is is is the usual The usual minimum required. So I appreciate that clarification on that And then that's it for my questions Councilmember rogers I just had one one additional question. It's a 4.3 0.1 b Have a substantially negative impact on public works project delivery including the ability to deliver such Public works projects on time and on budget for instance due to time sensitive funding requirements or permits or entitlements What differs from some from us having a PLA to not having A PLA that would interfere with that and it seems Some of those would only be discoverable during a project after we've already stated who would Whose bid would I don't know what's the correct terminology, but um, that that seems kind of inconsistent Rather or not we have a PLA Well, I'll just say that councilmember we would we would hope that we wouldn't have this instant We would hope that during the course of the negotiation with a particular contractor We would be able to sail right through caused us to delay completion of the project that impacted our summer programs Where we could not utilize a project labor agreement and have that start earlier because of the negotiation period again I mean, I don't know if that's going to be an issue. All I'm saying is That is a potential scenario where if we see something coming Or if we see that there's a particular time threshold that we have to accomplish something by Or if we believe that the particular Contractors that could be moving forward and bidding on that project couldn't deliver in a timely way To meet the needs of that particular funding source Then this would give the opportunity for us to Through the city manager make a recommendation that we might pull that particular project off of the list For utilization of a project labor agreement Jessica, did I do okay I I think that that's an excellent summary and a very specific example There's just two additional things that I will add So one is that as we look so what we're looking at balance here as we sort of develop this in addition to three The three key policy objectives that council has laid out is a lower threshold And broad coverage of projects, right? We want the threshold to be a little bit lower at three and we want to try and cover every city project As we can not do this on a project by project basis Which means that the exceptions you see in 4.3.1 End up being a little bit broader Just to be sure that we're not being imprecise and we have a little bit of wiggle room To ensure that this will work well with our capital improvement Program the other thing I will just share as a As an option or an opportunity here is I know that with respect to contracts or even sometimes sole source waivers Staff that has the discretion to do that at the staff level can sometimes come back to council On a quarterly or an annual basis and report out on how often the exemption has been used Just to make sure that council has a feel for is staff appropriately Calibrating their interpretation of the project or the this this particular exception section Making sure it's harmonious with the other sections that clearly state that we want broad application of plas Like these exceptions have to be read in that context that our default setting is to try to use the plas Um, lastly, I would say that I would hope Um that our staff if there is a time limitation To certain projects or funds needed needed to be used that we would get on it right away Um instead of waiting when we are in that time crunch Where we would not be able to use the plas as the council would wish so that would be my only Any additional questions from council? All right, let's go to public comment then I've got a list of folks who are in the chambers If you haven't had a chance to sign up with julie guzzi up at the top, please do so just so that we have it In order. We're going to start with john followed by michael alan Yes, sir I'll try to talk loud and close it all right Uh, can't get get right up against the microphone everybody All right, is this good? Can you hear me fine? Yep? Okay Um, yeah, thank you mayor council staff It's been a pleasure working with all of you on this process I've got a stack in notes here I and they just kind of changed every two minutes over the last I don't know hour here, but I just wanted to explain who I was first of all My name is john medina. I'm a business agent with sprinkler fitters local 483 And I'm also the president on north bay building construction trades council Uh with me tonight are several others That are within the building trades representing their members. Some of them are online. Some of them are here This is a long time standing that we've been working over Talking about this pla. This is something we've done With several cities jurisdictions school districts even santa rosa city schools We've done this with santa rosa junior college Maybe it's late and I've been doing a lot of meetings the last two nights But I seem to be a little confused on this process I you know, I was hoping that we were In a process of negotiating this pla, which um, I believe we're close But it sometimes it feels like it's just we're far away. Some of these matters seem to be pretty distinctive as far as this threshold You know We've we've asked for all the projects list for a while now We never did receive all of the projects from the last 10 years or the last or the upcoming we we did receive Uh these nine projects over the next three years that are over five million And obviously there's one of them that I believe that's an actual building Um, this is not enough for attention for people Like uh jocelyn who you'll hopefully hear from tonight. That's in the crowd That's trying to find a career in the building trades and started with the tip program Um, it's not enough for my guys that are at home. Uh, there's 900 jobs, I believe we'll hear some numbers that we've done our own reports just from pulling from um, the past 10 years To have nine jobs to come in the next three years is not a work retention It's almost seems like it a waste of everybody's time I hate to say that but I know we're working hard to come to a great agreement Something we can all agree on something that works for the city and this community Um, we need the retention. We need ways and pathways for young people to come into these careers We need to have people working here and not commuting to san francisco and further We need to have these retention and those jobs done right by skilled and trained workforce. We're there. We're very close I think the council's close. I think you know working with jason and jessica. We've been very close I want to continue this process I think we just need to iron out a few more things and we're going to get there and uh, I can't wait to show this opportunity to this council and the future councils And to this community of what this is going to do for this community with this pl a so thank you Thank you john. We'll go to michael allen followed by jocelyn michael allen president Emeritus of the north bay labor council and of course secretary treasure for the north bay trades Um, it's hard to cover what needs to be done, which where staff was given 15 20 minutes With two minutes being given here or three minutes. So I'm going to go through this very rapidly But basically we've been proposing the threshold of somewhere in the neighborhood Of 200 000 dollars going in which was what we ended up with the city of san aroza schools After some deliberation and talking with management and representatives We we did come to a place where maybe we could agree to something in the 500 000 range Maybe up to a million But we did not have the information we needed. So what we did is we did our research over What has been done for the last 10 years for san aroza? And what we discovered is is that more than half of the city's projects were under 500 000 dollars And uh below the threshold So essentially, um, there are very few projects over two million three million Over a 10-year period maybe six or nine if we were going to have a labor agreement for Community workforce agreement for five years. There might be one or two projects Which is not really enough to reach our goals for training For the apprenticeship program for pre-apprentice to basically raise up people from Into the middle class by getting high paying jobs and good paying jobs with a skilled workforce The last time I came to you I announced to you that we trained 92 of the successful reprentices in california Well, guess what now? We're at 94 percent 94 of all the people trained in the skilled trades come out of the a of l c i o And that takes work it from employers who understand that the higher your threshold The the more you're diminishing the opportunity for those who need that rope to the ladder to the middle class So when you start talking about three million dollar thresholds two million dollar thresholds You're really foreclosing opportunity for a large number of your community. And it's really not the way we're going to go or to agree with I would point out to you that we were ready to meet on multiple occasions and the city attorney's office There was family issues illness. And so we didn't have as many discussions I I tend to tell you that um The only exclusion to craft work that makes sense is where you have a manufactured warranties those kind of exclusions. We're willing to do We want Here's something i've learned doing labor relations for 45 years labor relations for 45 years We want to negotiate a relationship with you of trust and respect Where it works for our community. We share that bond between us The you at the dais city staff ourselves We want something that's going to be effective and works for everybody because those are the best agreements And I will close with this. I was made an honorary lowrider member tonight and i'm very grateful Thank you, michael. We'll go to jocelyn followed by frank. My name is jocelyn prez I am a san rosa resident. I currently hold a leadership leadership position as at an automotive shop as an automotive technician I am asking for increased access to apprenticeship programs to help people like me and those that will come after me Growing up in a low income household has caused me to think wisely about my career choice College was not a viable option for me I had to help raise my siblings while my parents were away at work working long hours to put food on the table I've also had to endure long shifts to help support us all So in 2020 I began exploring a career in the trades last year I graduated from north bay tip, which is a free apprenticeship program Which introduced me to the many trades in the building and construction industry It also gave me many vital certificates and skills that are beneficial when applying to such programs It's worth mentioning that most apprenticeships lead to a six figure income and are tuition free Here I got to know many others in my community who are pursuing a similar path After graduating I applied to the elevator constructions union in san francisco And I am currently number 43 on the wait list out of 750 people who applied This is a life changing opportunity And it would put me in a position to do things that no one in my family has had the freedom to do Such as buy a home or end the cycle of living paycheck to paycheck On top of the many benefits that come with these apprenticeship jobs I take any opportunity to engage in outreach to educate the youth women minorities and other disadvantaged people that such careers exist So skilled tradesmen and women are valuable members in our community But we need more apprenticeship job openings, particularly here in san aroza and neighboring counties to help people like me and many others I know firsthand the many doors that can be open with programs like these And that is why I am incredibly passionate about this topic Thank you for your time Thank you jocelyn we'll go to frank followed by jack buckhorn Good evening council. Thank you for your time My name is frank cuneo. I'm the director of the north bay trades introduction program I was born in san aroza and worked most of my career in the trades and later in apprenticeship Apprenticeship is an awesome way to train skilled workers It's just an awesome way And in a state registered apprenticeship a new apprentice starts with a contract Laying out how they will be trained over the course of their apprenticeship from day one until they become a journey person And because they don't pay tuition For people that come from challenging means it is a great way to to forge a path to a sustainable career The north bay tip seeks to introduce and prepare disadvantaged local people For the apprenticeship of their choice In our first three cohorts this year, we graduated over 30 women And we have and have high numbers in other disadvantaged groups The stage is pushing To increase job opportunities for apprentices You at this moment have a great opportunity to also do this in san rosa Jocelyn Perez who just spoke to you Is a san rosa north bay tip graduate Now ranked about at about 95 percent of the other applicants that she competed with For the elevator constructors apprenticeship This program is very competitive, but she scored high Your action on this policy Could make the difference to make jocelyn and apprentice soon I urge you to take this opportunity to help Generate as many apprentice jobs in san rosa as you can And this means considering some of the items that michael allen mentioned And also john In closing i want to thank jocelyn who is also a san rosa jc Student trying to get ahead and be even better prepared for her apprenticeship She took time to come here today between work and school She's not getting paid for it, and I wish her all the best. Thank you Thank you frank. Let's go to jack followed by matty Well, good evening, honorable mayor rogers Council members and staff. My name is jack buckhorn executive director of the north bay labor council and resident of san rosa Today you have the opportunity to shape and design a project labor agreement policy That will leverage san rosa's capital improvement dollars to help meet the city's goals of enhancing our highly skilled workforce Please consider amending the staff recommendation of a three million dollar threshold and vote to support a much lower threshold By supporting a low poa project threshold Local disadvantaged communities will have more opportunities To start middle-class careers in successful union joint apprenticeship programs Union apprenticeship programs create pathways to the american dream And they do it with a proven track record of diversity equity and broader inclusion in the workforce According to the california labor workforce agency a cabinet level agency to coordinate workforce programs Adopting a poa policy is a best practice They recently published a report called advancing apprenticeship in california a five-point action plan The action plan seeks to grow and expand access to traditional Construction apprenticeships for women and disadvantaged communities One of the action steps is to quote leverage and educate stakeholders on project labor agreements A mechanism that supports workforce diversity and publicly funded projects added You might have read a misguided editorial on poas in today's pd The editor opines that poas create an unlevel playing field for contractors With the basic premise that poas discriminate You have heard these arguments before from anti poa forces. That's such as the abc or the cfc We unfortunately see this type of misinformation in many forms In today's public discourse on important topics We have all learned that spreading misinformation in public is not against the law But if you do so on a court of law, there are real real consequences Here is what the abc told the california supreme court with regard to this Discrimination argument in the landmark san francisco airport case that decided the legality of public sector poas The abc expressly acknowledges that psas By its terms exclude no contractor union or non-union from bidding on the airport project further the psc Exacts from contractors no commitment towards the union on other projects has no effect on contractors parent companies Subsidies or affiliates and does not apply to a contractor's managerial supervised role Uh educational or clerical staff In conclusion, I would ask that you support a robust poa policy to move society forward with equality Equity and taxpayer accountability. Thank you. Thank you jack. We'll go to matty followed by chris Good evening council members and mayor I I wrote the same one thing that tends to get overlooked is the discussion Of the way plas helped minorities and women, but we heard a lot about that tonight So I'm glad to see that Two-thirds of apprentices are people of color joint apprenticeships train 94 percent of female construction workers The joint pla provides opportunities for minorities women and also veterans 68 of the overall membership of the building trades affiliated locals are minorities in sonoma county that number's even closer to 70 Our north bay tip program the trades introduction program Has placed a heavy focus on recruiting women and minorities specifically minority females Into the apprenticeship program and prioritizes grant funding that they may need along the way specifically those that are single mothers And are focusing on transitioning to another career. You heard from jocelyn tonight. She's a good example Partnerships between the joint apprenticeship programs and the community college districts including sr. JC I mean that apprentices are dual enrolled and their apprenticeship classes count towards college credits Many graduate the apprenticeship programs not only debt free But with pension and health care for themselves and their families So I guess I'm I'm advocating that you lower that threshold That three million dollar threshold is going to cut out a lot of those people a lot of those underserved areas Women veterans people of color from getting apprentices apprenticeships So please consider doing that. Um, and this is just the right thing to do. Thank you Thank you maddie. We'll go to chris followed by john mackin taggart Hello, good evening mayor Vice mayor council and staff I am here tonight as a parent of two children in santa rosa and would like to talk about the opportunities That are in this PLA for apprentices I personally know about the apprenticeship opportunities For our local youth that don't choose to go to college And that checks a box for me as a dad because not not everyone has that ability Additionally Working locally is another concern. I want my kids to live close To raise their families close So I could be the best grandpa. I could be to their families I don't want them to have to leave california To find a job or just to have a living wage or just to be able to afford to live Also, we know that having health care for your whole family is also a part of the apprenticeship programs And that is a huge bonus for me far too often health care hardships come from employers Who don't provide for their workers and their families? The joint apprenticeship programs take care of that Now the bad news You need to lower the threshold Too high of a threshold Is too few jobs period The project needs to be Five years not three and it needs to start as soon as possible Thank you council congratulations jocelyn Great news and go fillies Thank you Thanks chris. We'll go to john followed by jared And it's taken everything in me not to respond Good afternoon. Good evening council Um, thanks for the time. Thanks for the opportunity to come speak before you How my name is john mackin tigers. I am very fortunate. Um, that I am Looking enough to serve the men and women of ibe w local 551 as their business manager Um, that makes me very special, right? I'm an inside wireman electrician a journeyman wireman and um, so So what does that mean? Well, it means that I have an opportunity to Feed my family to buy a home here locally to have health care to have a pension How did I get that? How did I get so lucky? Well a long time ago when I was working two jobs I had an opportunity to get into an apprenticeship program in january of 1996 That opportunity fell in my lap because it did a little work to get to where I got uh, take a test interviewed And then I got a job Working for a local contractor and I still didn't realize what I had when I had it Now I do of course, you know a couple years into my apprenticeship We realized that my middle son had a terminal illness And it uh, knocked our family flat We realized too then that health care was going to be critical to us. Uh, moving forward We've been very lucky To have health care throughout my career I mean again, what makes me special that I have health care that I have a pension plan That I have a wage that allows me to live here in sonoma county Comfortably instead of working two or three jobs or not having health care and still working two or three jobs And I'll answer that question for you. Nothing. There's nothing special about me. I got lucky All we want is for everyone to have what we have That's all we want. We don't want to exclude anybody All you have to do is apply Taking pass the test and if there's opportunity you've heard it already if there's opportunity We will put you to work and then there's nothing stopping you to getting to 62 Our motto is You get you to 60 or 22 will get you to 62 We have a plan in place a structured plan in place that takes you from zero to 62 It's an apprenticeship program What comes with the apprenticeship program is opportunity The superintendent of schools for sonoma county said recently at a web meeting a workforce investment board meeting He said that 70 of the kids graduating this year and next year that was last year by the way So it was last year seniors and this year seniors 70 of them do not see a future for themselves here in sonoma county There is no opportunity they see so what is already in play is not working Something drastic needs to happen something drastic needs to change You can't keep going saying status quo is working. It's not When the superintendent of schools says that 70 percent of the kids are moving Or do not see a future for themselves here. It's on us all of us. You especially as elected officials to act You have to step up and do something that nobody has ever done before. This is your moment. This is your time. Thank you Thank you john. Let's go to jared Hello Hey, uh, thank you for the opportunity to come and speak tonight. My name is jared mum I'm an inside journeyman wireman with ibw local 551. I'm a santa rosa resident wins a high graduate apprenticeship graduate What john just said there, you know a vast majority of Young people not seeing a future here in sonoma county. That is a very large part of my experience a Lot of people that i graduated with do not live here anymore. They live any place else. They live in sacramento They live in oregon. They fled, you know because it takes a lot to make it I am another person that got insanely lucky in that I Was able to earn a position in an apprenticeship program Because of the apprenticeship program. I was able to earn a fair wage. I had health care I graduated that program when I was like 25 26 years old I graduated that program with more in my retirement than most grown adults You know people in their 50s have in america today and honestly that just knowing that frightens me for the country Um I was able to stay i'm able to support my wife. I'm able to support my daughter right and when I look around at My co-workers. I feel proud because I know that they have that same thing I haven't heard it yet tonight. I'm sure that at some point in the future I'll be hearing it. I keep hearing people talk about plas and how they're uh A solution looking for a problem, right? I talked to a lot of electricians. I talked to a lot of people on job sites I'm talking to kids on job sites who aren't trainees aren't apprentices aren't journeymen They're not being supervised No health care. I'm telling him. Hey, dude. You forgot to turn the screw righty tidy your stuff's falling apart fix that But before somebody catches it And i'm a taxpayer and I help fund that project. I don't feel good about that This is good for our community. I think you can see that when you look around and you see You know the percentage of people in the room that actually showed up here tonight supported Most of us didn't have to drive too far to get here and that's the whole point It's it's all about all about local work local workers, right? I spent a lot of my career driving past big projects Wondering why is that sacramento doing that project? Why not me? Why not my classmates? And I got to tell you people have asked me. Hey, like how long do you spend on a project as an electrician? Yeah, sure some of them are big some of them are multimillion three five ten million dollar projects A lot of them you're there for two hours A lot of them you're there for a couple days. You're in you're out you make the magic happen and you go home And that's it. So again, my name is jared. I support this bill. I hope you do too. Thank you Thank you jared Is there anybody else in the chambers who'd like to speak? All right, let's go to zoom. We'll start with ken followed by joe Can you hear me now? Yes, we can Great. Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you. My name is ken meller business agent organizer for iron workers local 378 I've got some tough things for you to hear There's a lot of disinformation in the charts that you presented tonight You know for one you're talking about a timeline. Do you want to start in 2024? But the list of jobs you presented was 23 to 26 so out of we started in 24 How many of those jobs would actually be available for local workers? In your presentation, you talk about a more skilled and trained local workforce You talk about more diverse equitable workforce. You talk about lower greenhouse gas emissions by having local workers work Work locally None of that is going to happen when you take away jobs from the potential list You know, if you lower that threshold to three dollars, you'd have a much more equitable job pool to try this out with by putting a three million dollars If you look at the historical relevance of the projects that you've had over the last 10 years that excludes 90 to 95 Of the projects So how are you going to get a good look at a PLA and how it works when you exclude all these projects? uh, you talked about Hold on. Let me look at my notes here. You talked about negative impacts of a PLA Let's look at the negative impacts without a PLA The sole purpose of a PLA is worker protection One of the biggest problems in the construction industry has waged that When you have a PLA, you know, people say oh, it's not equitable because less contractors will bid it Well, that's because those contractors steal from the workers Let's stop that Put a PLA in place and protect those workers. That's all we're asking Give them a chance let local workers work locally Sorry, I get worked up about this because I hear all the lies all the time and it's so disconcerting and so disparaging it's It's too much misinformation out there. If you'd give it a chance it would work wonders You'd have great projects built by great people from the local community We're talking about Leaving wage jobs with benefits and not benefits for the worker but benefits for the whole family How many people get that this day and age not many? But if you're a get into a union you can do it And a lot of people say it's too hard to get into a union But let me tell you My union apprenticeship is opening year-round Monday through Friday Anybody can come down and sign up and get started I will personally walk through them through the process find a contractor for them to go to work for and help them get started The only requirement we have is you have to be 18 years old state law. I can't get around that Come down to sign up. We'll help you get started. Get that job that you always wanted pay for your family Have benefits for your family. That's all we're asking Thank you for your time. Have a great night. Thank you. Kenny. We'll go to joe followed by nicole Hello, can you hear me now? Yes, we can All right. Yeah. Hello. My name is joe lubis. I am a policy analyst with associated builders and contractors northern california chapter I am just here today. I mean, I've heard a lot of you know abstract things about PLAs do this do that, but I'm just here to present some facts about how plas have costed the community Uh, we look here in the north bay. There's the marin community college district They had their new me walk center the indian valley campus. Um, it was originally contracted for 23.3 million Um, there were several change orders that which raised the cost of 36.2 million And also increased the completion date from august 27 2021 to december 15 2021 Uh Here, um locally in sonoma county Uh, there was uh the the lindley center for stem education project at the santa rosa junior college There were some architectural issues of structural design for failed tie downs and An anchor failure which caused an increase in architectural costs but Also, we we were told that this helps local workers. Well, I find that interesting because there's the Across the bay at the contra costa community college district The physical education and kinesiology complex renovation and addition Uh was contracted to tomsen builders located in nevato, which is not An east bay local contractor. So contra costa community college lost their local work Uh, furthermore, there were various change orders that increased the price that increased the price to 31.2 million when it was estimated at 22.5 That means it cost 8.7 more Million more than the estimate. Uh, also 38 percent in short PLAs cost the community They cost local workers Just I urge you to reject it. Thank you Thank you, joe. We'll go to nicole followed by rob Good evening, mayor and members of the santa rosa city council nicole garing with citizen builders and contractors I've been advocating for fair and open competition for workers for 16 years Uh, I want to thank you for taking a look fairly at this project labor agreement But it it is a little bit disturbing about how this agreement applies to the craft workforce Well, the craft workforce in santa rosa is over 80 non-union so in determining this verbiage I hope that you have reached out to the local contractors and their workers and ask them what they thought about being excluded from being able To work in their community. I know they they've built many quality projects over many years They as well do not want to commute over the bridge in order to go to work. They want to work at home They want to feed their families as well and you know a public works project or the local government such as yours should give everybody Opportunity all of the taxpayers should have the opportunity to work on these projects. I would suggest that you Increase that threshold most general contractors based there can do 7 to 10 million dollar jobs So you should increase that or or exempt them exempt them in the pl a so they can continue to work and build their community Another option for your policy is to have a three bidders per trade if you don't get three bidders per trade You should bid without Did that trade without the pl a you need to make sure that your local community Is working on your projects and i'm not sure where you got the 30 number If you did a local survey of your local community to see who's actually working on your projects I would assume that would be much higher. You should have a local higher of 80 You should also look to see how many people are in the union hiring halls Is there are there enough workers there in order to complete your jobs? Finally the apprentices many of our state and federally approved apprentices Came to our program because they weren't able to get into the union pipelines And so I think what we need to do is be talking about how we can increase more pipelines and add more apprenticeship programs So more people can have opportunities. We should not limit this to just one program only which are the joint unions There are other people as well who are trying to make the living in a career for themselves in a pathway So I would urge you to increase the threshold change the policy to add three bidders per trade or bid without the pl a And also allow all of the company's workers to use their workforce. Thank you for your time Thank you. Nicole. We'll go to rob followed by william Uh, good evening. Can you hear me? Yes, we can Yes. Well, um, my name is rob barcy and I am the training director and administrator of the local 551 electrical union apprenticeship program Which is located right here in santa rosa I'm also graduate of the program Our program has been training and graduating electrical apprentices for over 70 years I'm here tonight to speak for our current and future apprentices Our program currently has a diverse and inclusive population of 88 students We are proud to be able to say that our student population is about 50 percent minority and 50 non minority And I would like to point out that a good number of our students have graduated from the santa rosa school district Additionally, all of our apprentices are registered s rjc students and earn college credits towards a college degree Now that number of 88 local apprentices directly translates 88 local apprenticeship families We would like to be able to offer apprenticeship opportunities to twice that number of local residents and their families And local project labor agreements can help us to move towards that goal Apprentices and graduates of our program earn a living wage and are able to live in the area Purchase homes here start families here and send their kids to schools here and someday to retire here comfortably More local projects covered under a project labor agreement with local hire and local apprenticeship language Increase the local job opportunities and in turn increase the number of local apprenticeship opportunities We may be able to offer to apprenticeship applicants in our community We constantly strive to be able to offer the most apprenticeship opportunities to our local residents as possible PLAs will help us with that Local project labor agreements ensure a level playing field for all contractors in the bidding process Ensuring that all of those working on the project earn a living wage and benefits and help provide work for local residents I thank you for the time to speak tonight Good night Thank you rob. We'll go to william followed by wade Go ahead william Hi, my name is william of local uh, sprinkler fitters 43 um I'm just here to talk about the PLA uh I was hearing a lot of things going on with the PLA and i've been part of this project with the PLAs for a few years now and hearing How they're going to put it into effect? and what i'm catching out of this is that Uh thresholds so high that we can't really get into PLAs when we're realizing and the oh what I was hearing Is that most of these projects? for The PLAs to kick in are really high And if we could create a threshold where we can have it loaned where we can actually have an opportunity to apply the PLA um like they were talking about earlier so we can have a chance to use apprenticeships And have more local hire. I think that'd be great. And that's something we should really consider um because I myself um Worked here in santa rosa, but for a non-signatory company And I I I had to leave because it wasn't a living wage wasn't a way of life for me. Um just constantly not having benefits or or Traveling so far that it was causing me more in my own pocket to travel and live than it was living wage and so um Yeah, I just would hope that the council would consider this PLA because it it's a really good way of uh protecting the And helping people with families who know or just individuals in the community um I'm a local born and raised here in santa rosa I graduated from Montgomery a little bit about my background. I come from an immigrant family and here and now i'm a father of four great provider because of what the PLA's have brought and um Like I said, just please consider wording it so that way we can have a better chance of using these apprenticeships um and Making santa rosa in sonoma county just an all-around better place um I've worked when there is no PLA's and I can first hand tell you that the only person winning is everyone but the worker or labor with no PLA the worker will I mean, they'll never really benefit from the job they're just work and more than likely get hurt because uh, I I up until now I You know, I I do a lot of um pre caution and pre tasking and all things that prevent Incidents and we take safety very seriously So because the main priorities to have a safe workplace be efficient And give you know our customer what they want best quality service and great Anyways, I just hope you guys would Consider this PLA because it's it's a great thing and it's helping a lot of people. Thank you Thank you, william. Let's go to wade followed by max Did we lose wade? All right, let's go to max and see if wade pops back up Hi, good evening city council. Can you hear me? Yes, we can Great. Hi. My name is max bellelper. I'm the executive director of north bay jobs with justice We're a uh coalition of over 30 community and labor organizations in sonoma county and you know just want to uh For for us. It's really important Uh to to we believe that PLA's can be really helpful for our community Especially when they can cover as many of the projects as possible And you know and for for us as an organization we we do a lot of work with farm workers Who are working on the front lines of wildfires? And so that means that we have a lot of connections with immigrant and indigenous migrant workers and you know, we really see A need in our community to create more good local jobs that can benefit by pock workers And especially workers who have been excluded from good jobs in the past and so You know, we've seen other other people in our community like the Santa Rosa Schools have have done, you know, really good things in terms of making sure that as projects get built there They get built with PLA's and so we just want to make sure that it's heard loud and clear how important it is In the community and especially for creating opportunities for workers who have been excluded in the past And so we hope that you make this This PLA as expansive as possible and cover as many of the projects as possible. Thank you and have a good night Thank you so much max. Let's try Wade again. I saw his name pop back up Okay, are you there? There we go. Okay I figured it out. Sorry That was that was a little complicated So i'm Wade local 483 And you know, I've worked for a non-union company for 11 years doing prevailing wage work primarily and You know all over the Bay Area but hardly ever in Santa Rosa and So long story short is I ended up going union out of all the PLA and PSA agreements that we had and Now my son Has joined the union in the apprenticeship program And I have a 17 year old son as well. That's going to be joining the union when he turns 18 next year and So you can probably imagine How heartfelt I am with having this pass through And with a lower threshold I would I would really Would really like it to be a lower dollar amount Because you know, we want we want to work close to home And you know and even with the non-union companies that are going to come into play with this Is they have the opportunity to even be able to you know use union labor to maintain their households of timelines and stuff like that but The fact the matter is is now that now that I'm union Of course, I'm going to be I'm going to be pro-union All the way and with my kids going union And my son being in the apprenticeship program and having him be in the apprenticeship program close to home would be fantastic instead of driving to Mound view at the google building Thank you Thank you, Wade. We'll go to natalie followed by mico Thank you, mayor rogers and council members My name is natalie higley. I was born and raised in san aroza and i'm a proud member of ibw local 551 Much of what I would like to address has been brought up by others this evening And I appreciate the time that you're all spending tonight listening to us. So i'll try to be brief As others have mentioned a three million dollar threshold is far too high to benefit our community The presentation here today shows that amount to be the smallest slice of the pie As a working mother to me a higher threshold means less opportunity for my family I would not be able to provide for my family without the benefits of my union job I am privileged because of my union job to know that when my daughter is sick at two in the morning I have insurance that allows me to get care for her immediately I do not have to question if I can afford to have her seen I have a retirement plan that allows me to retire with dignity and without being a burden to my child when i'm too old to care for myself When I look at our community and I see the many families that are struggling to survive here living paycheck to paycheck Barely covering their rent and knowing that they'll likely never be able to afford a home here I struggle to understand why we cannot offer them more opportunities This PLA is an opportunity It's an opportunity to use public money to help uplift our community It's an opportunity to provide infrastructure improvements while paying a thriving wage with healthcare for our neighbors It can be an opportunity for our local students to enter an apprenticeship program and start a lifelong career That allows them to provide for their future families without taking on any debt It allows women the opportunity to have financial freedom and stability on their own I would encourage you to consider these families These women and these young people as you move forward And I would encourage you to do this by amending exhibit a To lower the threshold in a way that affords the most opportunity possible to our community Not the least Thank you Thank you natalie. Let's go to mico followed by jt Hello Hello Hey, how's it going? So I'm uh, Jose mico kudos I'm actually here to chime in on another topic, but I want to chime in on this one So, um, I'm from local 324 um I'm a santa rosa resident born and raised I grew up in the uh, roseland in south park area. I was gang impacted um In and out of juvenile hall in and out of prison um At at a point when I I got released in 2009 And I decided to get my life together I was spinning my wheels for all these non-union jobs just Working and working and getting nowhere fast At the point that I really needed it the unions were there and they caught me um, I bought a house in uh, 2020 in december 2020. Um I got medical benefits for me and all my kids. I got a pension and um, you know I feel strongly about the unions and I think that um You know that the Threshold is way too high. I think we need to lower that, you know I got to wake up at four in the morning I got to go to work in redwood city tomorrow and you know, I'm not happy about that But you know, I do what I got to do on my foreman today. I ran work for my company And um, yeah, I feel very strongly about the unions. I think we need to take another look at that And uh, yeah, thank you Thank you. Let's go to jt followed by jonathan Good evening council and thank you for the opportunity to speak on this topic My name is joe tremain, and I'm a business representative for the ivw local five five one electrical workers in santa rosa First of all, I'd like to clarify a few myths that are being sold by opponents to project labor agreements Myth number one PLA projects cost more This is false Look, it's a real simple formula um projects Costs have two major components One being materials and the other being labor Now on the materials it's the same for all the bidders. They're going to go to abc wholesale house to get their parts When it comes to labor the second component under a prevailing wage platform Labor costs are the same whether it's a union contractor or a non-union contractor so That brings me to myth number two PLA's limit contractor participation. Again, this is false. In fact last week Um on 10 18, which is october 18th There was a pl a supported santa rosa city schools project that had a mandatory job log in all 17 different contractors attended and were plan holders for this pl a project That doesn't sound like limited participation to me. That sounds like very reasonable. If not fantastic participation number three myth number three A pl a with a high dollar threshold is as good as a low dollar threshold pl a and that is completely false In fact, the lower the threshold for the pl a the more local skilled and trained workforce can be placed on that particular job On that subject a three million dollar pl a does far less for our local workforce than perhaps 500,000 dollar pl a Significantly less local participation on the higher threshold pl a's is a formula that has always been Please consider these facts when making decisions regarding santa rosa's pl a's. Thank you Thank you. Let's go to jonathan Jonathan, are you able to unmute? Jonathan, I think you are unmuted. Can you hear us? He is unmuted All right. Do we have any pre-recorded voicemail public comments? There are no pre-recorded voicemails for this item. Okay. I'm going to go ahead bring it back to councilmen I saw one hand pop up here at the last second.  Yes, we can Oh, hi senator sasidi council members As you may know, my name is eric flores And I'm one of the senator sasidi council board members who voted in favor of adopting a project labor agreement In our school district just about a year ago I wanted to say that the level of partnership and cooperation between the building trades in our school district has improved 10 Fold and we look forward to an ongoing relationship with our school districts To ensure students who are interested in the building trades have a pipeline to pursue As an educator myself or over 20 years in sonoma county I am strongly supportive of plas as a means to support student families As you may already know plas create and sustain livable wage jobs here Locally in sonoma county that allow our union member parents to spend more time out of home supporting our students Instead of spending hours and hours commuting to other municipalities like san francisco Or redwood city like we heard heard earlier today for and looking for a compatible wage Now, however having a three million dollar threshold will limit the amount of projects and the ability to train a sustainable workforce I would highly recommend that you rethink and lower the threshold to make sure that You have a dependable and consistent workforce an apprenticeship program that will benefit our local sonoma county residents Thank you for listening. I did raise my hand earlier and for somehow it got lowered And uh, good night Well, thank you ever and thank you so much for your service on the school board as well With that we'll go ahead and bring it back to the council Let's first and foremost see Mr. Assistant city manager if there are any questions or comments that you want to uh respond to from public comment Thank you mayor, but I think uh, I think i'm good at the moment and i'll wait for council comments Okay, are there any additional questions from council members? Mr. Vice mayor Thank you, mayor I'm wondering I know that the schools have a threshold of about 200,000 and i'm wondering why the difference Uh of of three million that we're presenting So based on the information that we've done the research that we've conducted to look at one the project types that we have to the type of Union labor that exists out there having spoken with A number of various contractors and subcontractors in the community We felt that the three million dollar threshold is consistent with what a what a majority of other project labor agreements are on the state look like And it seems to fit As cleanly as we could between the two bell ends right you've got some that are up at the 10 million You've got some that are at the 200,000. We tried to find a happy medium in between That was where the three million dollars were We do know that a majority of our projects are horizontal and a number of the Individuals that you heard from tonight work predominantly on vertical projects Those projects tend to be in the higher range to begin with we don't generally have Lower dollar amount vertical projects. They do happen from time to time But but the predominant vertical projects are are larger whether it's a fire station a community center Renovations to the shelter those projects tend to be at a higher dollar amount when we look at our traditional predominant projects mostly horizontal They tend to be local contractors that are bidding on those And we felt that keeping a threshold in that three million dollar range was reasonable at that point In the past five years, how many projects Has the city centers are produced that would actually be At the three million dollar level Um, I just see the I just see the future ones Miss miss williams. Is there a way that you could pull the Presentation back up and show slide number 12. Yes, we'll get that up. Thank you vice mayor I I'll show you what our last five years have looked like Was it the five years? I thought I must read that I read it as being the future projects So there were two uh two there, uh, this particular slide shows 2015 to 2020 And you can see the project numbers on the left These are the number of projects that exist when within each of those dollar amounts. So the Number of projects above one million dollars was 50 projects Projects below one million dollars for 113 On the project value perspective, and that's why we looked at these in two different ways There's the total number of projects released and then there's the value invested Which is which is different, right? And so if you look at the value invested For projects above the one million dollar or above the three million dollar range, it's a significant increase In or it's a significant percentage of the total If we advance to the next slide and you look at our projection based on the project types as we look into the future Using the same project types that we had for the last five years We look into the future While the number of projects under the one million dollar is larger than the others It's the investment amount To me that was the biggest kicker, right? If I look at 75 percent of the dollar value that the city would be investing That seems significant for me while still providing a balance of Signatory or union and non-union contractors being able to apply And provide A project for their workforce Our data shows that Without a project labor agreement. We're currently at about 70 local workforce And so we feel fairly confident that are that whether it's union or non-union We're in a good place with a local workforce We've got a very healthy union community. We also have a very healthy non-union community And so the thought here was to be able to pick a threshold That invested the greatest amount while still allowing a significant amount of Number of projects to go toward the non-union contractors. I hope that answers your question I apologize if I was a little long winded. No, no, no, it does in fact It was presented to us. So i'm sorry that I did I must have fell asleep for a little bit I I presented these back in july. I I these are just supplemental I do recall. I do recall. Thank you Additional questions All right councilmember mcdonald. Can you please put a motion on the table for consideration? Thank you, mayor I have a couple of amendments to the ordinance that i'm going to be um Doing along with the movement of the resolution. So I move the adoption of the resolution of the council of the city of santa rosa adopt a council policy for project labor agreements and delegate authority to the city manager or designee to negotiate and execute A project labor agreement and to adopt additional policies and procedures To implement the project labor agreement program with the following amendments to the ordinance page one Subject nine strike 2024 and insert 2023 and make conforming changes throughout On page two item four point one point two under project threshold strike three million And insert five hundred thousand On page four Item four point three point one Under a after the word requirements at a period And strike the rest of the wording in its entirety Through b c and the definition of your example Under four point three point two Unless there's a specific reason that language has to be included. I find it to be Um interpretive So I'd prefer to insert. There's is a state of emergency wildfire Or natural disaster Or something that has to be clarified if we have to keep the other wording on that specific 4.3.2 and I would need feedback from legal on that Under page four under four point four terms 4.4 point one effective date to insert 2023 and strike 2024 And under four point four point two Strike that language And insert this policy will be reevaluated after january 2028 And on page five Strike in its entirety four point four point three And i'm not certain if we need to add in the ordinance That our rfp process will add a threshold amount so that all bids received Realize they're part of a pla if the five hundred thousand dollar Threshold needs to be added in this or if that needs to be a separate motion tonight We have a motion. Is there a second? All second okay Let's go into discussion Who wants to start councilmember rogers? Diana you may have gotten a second if I had it in writing and knew Everything that she said right now, but I was trying to jot it down and keep up and I just could not um I do I do want to talk about the implementation date because we are so close to 2023 um a note that I had to self was uh that it was start in january 2023 We would continue meeting with key internal and external stakeholders to refine the pla program and return to council as necessary to to update um, but that we would not start any actual work until the The budget period which would be july of 2023 so not opposed to it starting in 2023 Just want to be a little bit more specific that the work would not start until july of 2023 and in In that way it would also allow For the bidding on projects that might go before or in that six months Um, and so that is what I want to do is to not exclude the pla Within the next eight months or so That we will continue that process and they would have the opportunity to bid But that the work would not start until july Let me see also on 4.2 0.1 I don't remember all of your changes So i'm not sure if you did this but I would like to strike the director of transportation In public works and insert the the city manager Um, and only the city manager I don't think that we need to have a second person if we were just going to have The director of transportation and public work So I don't see where there would be a need to have The city manager and An attorney if we were just going to have someone under the city manager that makes no sense to me, but So that would be another one And I totally agree with the starting point for the The threshold I think those were my Changes, thank you as a point of clarification on 4.2.1 b what you're offering and I think I heard a friendly amendment Were you saying the city manager may waive or otherwise modified this requirement where I a particular construction craft does not have sufficient local presence and then there was some discussion about eliminating this second provision which is Has determined that the contractor has demonstrated to the city's satisfaction That it has made best efforts to comply with the city's local workforce requirement I don't mind having be at all. I just think that it should be changed from the director of transportation and public works in both to The city manager because the city the city manager is Reports directly to us And so the director of public the director of transportation and public works reports to the city manager And so if the city manager does something, I know how to hold them accountable Right away because they're they report to us right the council Um But the director of transportation and public works We really don't have a That I mean we can't do anything with that Just so i'm clear you're asking to strike the director of transportation and public works and insert the word city manager Yes I'll accept the friendly amendment And i'm going to suggest after more discussion that we look at The second component of that which to me seems to potentially undermine Other portions of the policy if somebody making a a best attempt at the local Local hire allows them to not have to comply with the rest of the policy Are you saying under II? Correct strike director of transportation and public works and insert city manager there as well So conforming changes throughout that bullet. I'm saying strike the entire thing for I strike it in the entirety I'd be okay with that amendment as well. That makes sense I'm fine with that Are there any other Comments councilmember rogers Not right now. Thank you Okay, excuse me mayor. Can I ask a quick clarifying question councilmember rogers when you talked about threshold? Were you concurring with the threshold recommendation? In the motion made by councilmember mcdonald Yes, assistant city manager. Thank you. Okay Any additional comments? Mr. Vice mayor councilmember rogers For clarification when you stated the six months Are you foreseeing that that? No project will be accepted within that time period Or how did you come up with the six months? Quite the contrary. So, um, I'm going based on our budget cycle one And the second thing is I wanted to continue the meetings with the key internal and external stakeholders because I believe that to be very important That is why I think it should start in January But that that is so bids can be put in and the conversation continues, right? We're trying to strengthen the relationship so that it's an easier process for us to do what is best for our community Um, and so that is where I came up What that what would it be possible to say that 30 days after the contractual agreement for it to start or would that not benefit The agreement in any way, I think that it is pretty soon I think that we're at the end of the year and I'm just trying to give everyone time so that we can do this and do it, right? um And we can ask but I don't think I think it's a good compromise with With both the the city being able to implement and get it going and also us building the relationships and I would hope that the the building trades and Um, this our staff would be okay with that I don't it's probably not a good terminology, but like buffer period. I do understand. I do understand. Yeah, thank you for the clarification Mr. Assistant City Manager, if I could ask for a little bit more Clarity on 4.3.2 That the motion suggests striking it says there's an emergency. This is an exemption There's an emergency other urgent need to protect health safety and welfare or other exigent circumstances Can you give me a little bit more context around The ramifications of striking that language? Yes, uh, thank you very much, uh, mayor if we have a water main break And it's not as insignificant water main We want that job done now. I don't want to wait while I negotiate a project labor agreement if that particular project results in something far more significant or if there's a sinkhole that erupts or or Our results from a water main break. There are other circumstances out there beyond disaster That could result in difficulty for us if you strike all of that language Okay, is there an ability to have this provision Uh, so right now if an emergency happens Do you have a list of contractors that you call that you've worked with that have been pre-approved to do some of this work? Yes, we do have a pre-approved contract list for emergency services, uh, we also have The opportunity to utilize some on call contracts, uh, and we did both of those during the tubs fire Um, shortly thereafter, we did go to a standard, uh, process of soliciting for contractors once we had the situation stabilized Okay, is there a way to make 4.3.2 compatible with the rest of the policy while also not tying hands To be able to still do the work. Is there a way to get some folks who would qualify under the definitions to be on A list of first people we would call essentially I I guess i'm confused as to why there's consternation over the language when it talks about protecting the public health and emergency activity I mean is that not I guess from our standpoint on the staff perspective That seemed like the perfect reason for us to be able to utilize all the tools in our resource and not have our hands tied If the there is interest if the council directs us to do so We'll have to create some level of negotiation But we may have a difficulty and delay if the circumstance is that large I'm comfortable with the language is proposed so long as we don't see it being abused And I think that that's the biggest concern from folks because it is as The assistant city attorney mentioned written intentionally to be a little bit broad. I'm fine with that So long as we don't see it become an issue And I appreciate that in one additional point. I wanted to raise also sometimes these smaller emergency jobs are going to be below the threshold Anyway, so hopefully the conflicts won't frequently arise And and mayor I I'd like to believe that that staff understands council's direction here And that it's our intent to deliver That what council asks us to do and and and I hope that the work that we've done to date during our emergency and exit Circumstances has demonstrated our our willingness to to follow our rules and policy. I appreciate that We certainly had enough of them to where we can pronounce the word now so Are you comfortable with keeping that language in there then for four with that clarification from staff and certainly with the intent It's because it is ambiguous language. I feel uncomfortable with it. Maybe because I don't know what ex exigent So Unless you feel that there's need to have more of a definition or examples such as like broken water pipe or Something that's causing imminent danger to community members. If unless we need that definition under there But I think if your intent is to just make sure that those are the Circumstances to which you'd enact that emergency and that that wouldn't be abused in any way Certainly then I could be more comfortable with it not feel the need to strike that language or insert the other Although sometimes I think definitions make clarity With our intent from not only council for the direction that we want to go But if if if mayor Rogers if you're comfortable with that I'll remove that Recommendation to strike that language and insert my own I just had a quick question since we're discussing. I know it's late My question is you you mentioned that we had a list having a pl a does that exclude Our local union workforce from being on that list because we have a pl a couldn't we add some of our Um our companies that we know that they go buy pl a's You know that they would abide by what is in the pl a without going through the whole process In a case of an emergency. Am I making sense what I'm asking? Could we expand the list that we have to include? Yes, assistance a city attorney is nodding. Yes and and saying yes, we can certainly do that. I I will state that A majority of our large format contractors are signatory within the county And those are the ones that are most predominantly utilized during emergency circumstances So they already have a a signatory and union workforce Thank you Jason just to clarify too when you say that they already their union Their union contractors already a lot of the ones that are doing that pipeline work like they are are predominantly represented and have union workers already there doing the work is what you're saying So as the second as the second are you comfortable with the amendments that have been proposed? Okay Do we want to Madam city attorney, do we want to take a five minute break? Red line the version and then put it up on the screen and walk through it to make sure that everybody's crystal clear on Where this sits at the moment? I think that would be very helpful. Okay, mayor. All right. We'll take a five minute break then Don't go too far council That's where Please call the roll Thank you councilmember schwethelm here councilmember soyer here councilmember rogers Councilmember mcdonald here councilmember fleming here vice mayor alvarez Mayor rogers here let the record show that all councilmembers are present Excellent. So where we left off was with a motion and a second on the table With a red lined version of the proposed ordinance Can we pull that up and walk through the proposed changes so that everybody's clear on where it sits before we move forward? Is this not the red line? Is there a way to make that a little bit bigger? Is there a way to show the red lining as well? I see that changes have been made, but it's hard to tell where I hear mr. Assistant city manager shouting some instructions He's a word smith Anybody get the joke? She's trying to show the changes first Yeah Okay, madam city attorney. Do you want to walk us through the changes? Start from the top Certainly, mr. Mayor If we start at the top We have changed the effective date To the effective date is changed to January 1 2023 And we will ask for a little bit of clarification on that, but we'll go through all these changes first Then the next change is in The project threshold Let me make sure I'm I'm kind of skipping through pages Is that right? Okay This is on page two on page two the 4.1.2 project threshold Moves from three million dollars to five hundred thousand dollars is the threshold I'll note that this still does remain as the engineer's estimate is the baseline our next page Uh in 4.2 0.1 b A director of transportation and public works is changed to city manager And uh the sub section II is deleted So the that's that section b will read the city manager may waive or otherwise modify this requirement Where a particular construction craft does not have sufficient local presence period the Moving to the next page 4.3.1 Um Is changed so that sections bc and the example are all deleted And because those other sections sub sections are deleted. It's turned into a single sentence Um So that it will be use of a project labor agreement on a public works project May be inconsistent With state federal or other public funding source requirements period the rest of that sentence is also deleted So that um, I'm sorry. I think we missed one Um In the paragraph Right above which is notwithstanding the foregoing the policy will not apply under the following circumstances to public works projects Where and I think the intent was that the city manager reasonably determines That use of the project labor agreement on a public works project may be inconsistent with state federal or other public funding source requirements You can correct me if i'm wrong with that with that understanding Um You had discussion um about the emergency exception under 4.3.2 But it was determined to keep that as it was drafted on 4.4 subsection 4.4 0.2 the evaluation date um, the date is changed from three years of the effective date to after january 1 2028 so the policy will be And I think the preferred word wording was reevaluated by council after january 1 2028 And then section 4 point subsection 4.4 point 3 the expiration date that sentence is deleted And that is the end of the change and I think the um clarification that we would like Is that there was discussion in terms of the effective date of the policy? Is 20 20 january 1 2023? but in terms of when does the Agreement itself need to be in place and when does the work have to start? We heard maybe that that was to be june 30th or july 1st of 2023 But that's where we were we didn't have clarity Yeah, so I think what I heard and what I'm comfortable with is Effective date for the policy is january 1st But then aligning the actual projects and implementation with the new budget cycle and then having it go essentially for We want to Yeah, that's what I heard and that's what I'm comfortable with is aligning The new policy with the budget adoption Okay, so the the effective date of the policy itself will be january 1st 2023 Implementation will begin On on july 1 2023. Yeah, I'll look for nods from colleagues Okay, I I I just have something on that. Why are we waiting? I mean if this is the best thing we're moving to plas. I don't understand why we need to wait till july 1 On a on a PLA agreement. What would be the purpose of that? Six months other than the bidding process takes us a while, but if if the policy says we start january 2023 then we start it. I would give a little bit of explanation. I think the assistant City attorney may want to weigh in as well The agreement has not yet Been finally drafted. What was provided to you was an initial draft Kind of the format that we are using and basing it on But there are significant negotiations and the details of that agreement still to be Still to be made and I know that that will involve Quite a bit of discussions with stakeholders So we would want time to complete that And then to get it into the works And have it ready to go for any projects that go After January, I'm sorry july 1 2023 I completely agree sue and The other element of it too is to be sure that any adjustments to engineers estimates or project budgets Could be made and as part of that budget cycle as well So the budget cycle makes sense to me I guess my question is if we were able to come to these conclusions ahead of time Wouldn't we just want to say no later than July? First to commence because what if we were able to actually get all of these things done in advance Would we be able to then do it prior to where july 1 might be able to Do some work without using a PLA based on our own language So I don't want us to hinder us being able to start that process if we if we can start it prior to july 1 Could I ask a clear vein question? The idea that the PLA would then be attached to the solicitations that occur after july 1st Is kind of the way we envision it the policy takes effect january 1 and then we would have the agreement Be a part of solicitations that occur after that date. That's kind of our thought process here, correct I guess that was my concern is um, why do we need to wait till fiscal year to be able to start solicitation? Wouldn't we be able to do that ahead of time? I I want to make sure that we're able to move to this quicker than perhaps We can I don't I'm not maybe I'm not clear on the actual how long it's going to take you to get to this Yeah, and I'm okay from a legal standpoint in terms of the negotiation of agreement having it be no later than july if we're able to finish it um earlier to get to your point and I'll defer to assistant city manager nut in terms of You know how that might impact the budget cycle or kind of building in any fiscal um considerations If we were to move more quickly Setting setting the implementation data july 1 allows us to have a clean budget cycle moving forward And it's it would be easier to implement in that sense Do we have clarity? I I'm not sure that we have I think at this point It sounds like their majority are comfortable with that. I would not be as comfortable with that specific one, but that's okay Okay, one does not mean yes. Okay. Thank you. And then also just on the one bullet under you had To reconsider and I actually had the word reevaluate and that that was not changed in the document Uh, yes, I I noticed that and I think there was one other that was not in this red line But we will do that. Yeah, that would be a different intent as far as I'd be concerned So I'd like I'd prefer and um would like to use the language reevaluate Okay, I'm gonna change. I have a note of that too as well as the city manager one that you also mentioned You you meant the city attorney's city manager note The where we didn't make the red line change around I believe it was in the exemptions It should be the city manager. I think it's four points Right, yes right up there. So those are the two catches that I have in my Notes to be sure to incorporate on top of this red line if that's helpful Okay Councilor are there any additional amendments to the policy Just looking at city manager underneath where we struck the the word Public works Sorry, if you can go back to the document. I'm going to need to go back We may want to add in City manager or designee Just so it gives city manager a little bit of wiggle room if if she's unable to To do this I thought the point of the amendment was to make sure that the authority arrested with the city manager That was my point of the amendment mayor Okay And in those instances where the city manager isn't available We'll have an acting city manager that is that can serve in that function Um That might be a good way to word it then city manager or acting city manager Mayor if I could um in consultation with the city manager, she's comfortable with the word or designee Councilmember flamin Yeah, I mean in the Unimaginable event that we had an interim With that also suffice legally if it's acting or interim Okay, I would assume so So do you want I'm sorry on this point city manager? Or acting or interim city manager, or do you want city manager or designee? I'm looking to my colleagues councilmember rogers. Um like it was explained I feel like if the city manager is incapable of Making that decision for whatever reason Um, we have an acting city manager So, um, I do not wish to use the word designee I would be comfortable with the city manager or acting city manager Okay, I'm seeing nodding heads. Okay, so we'll change that throughout Um, and then I noticed um given the discussion on implementation as of july 1 2023 um We'll change the 4.4 0.1 Which is the effective date And instead it'll be the implementation date And it'll be this policy will apply to public works projects solicited on or after july 1 2023 Are there any projects that are that we foresee are going to start between now and then That are like in our budget Yes, there are likely projects that will go out to bid between January and july that Are above half a million dollars Okay, so just clarification my my intention was not um Well, then that just complicates things now doesn't it in my head it does because that is not what I intended Um, I wanted to do the july the july 1st Um to say work starting but not to not to when we go out to bid to not add that people have to um Go under the p. I'm talking out loud assistant city manager I at council member. I I I totally understand. I I do think um, I do think As is recommended by the city attorney's office. We need to provide time to get the documentation complete And approved by all entities And I don't believe that that's going to occur between now and january 1st Okay, thank you I I will say Because I know the level of effort that it's going to take to stand some of this up We're putting the policy in place and then obviously there's additional negotiations that need to happen And so I think it's unfortunate that there's projects that we'll miss but at the same time extending from three years to five years I think is Giving staff a reasonable amount of time to stand this up. I think is is warranted I get it. I just would have to agree with council member McDonald that if we in fact can Get it done or it is done In advance of july 1st that when we go out to bid for projects that we can include Or know that we're doing it under the project labor Agreement because that was what the council if that is what the council decides So are you comfortable with the no later than language? I am Perfectly comfortable with the no later than language. Okay I saw a look from the city attorney. Does that Work functionally Yes, assuming that the assistant city manager does not have budgetary concerns You know what it does to our to our already adopted budget At this point time I haven't actually contemplated a half a million dollar threshold and what that might do For projects that are currently in the pipeline and ready to go to bid at the beginning of the year. So I actually don't have I don't have a particular comment on it at this point in time Other than you know faster we can get language prepared The less delay we have in some of those projects moving out the door So I think the the consensus that I'm hearing is The no later than july 1st language I'm looking for nodding heads Okay, any additional amendments Everyone clear Okay, any additional comments from council members Council members, what um Thank you, mr. Mayor With the new language specifically on area 4.3.1 Striking the subsection c With certain categories and specifically about trucking and hauling Mr. Assistant city manager, what impacts could we anticipate with that? Is there enough? I think the language was density of local workforce in the trucking industry to meet the needs of the city san rosa It's my understanding and talking to our local contractors and local trucking companies that there is not a density Of of unionized companies in our area to fulfill the needs Um, yes, I understand that from a union and labor perspective There are Rebodies to that for those companies that are not currently unionized And whether or not that Suffices for those companies is going to be up to them to make the decision But as it stands right now, it's my understanding that about 90 of the trucks that are on the street are currently with non-signatory companies All right. Thank you Any additional comments council member soyer Thank you, mayor Mr. Nut would that be one of these issues that needs to be ironed out in the next Number of months to come to a final document in negotiations Council member soyer under the rewrite that's here. It would not be ironed out. It would be all Products that exist within a current CBR collective bargaining agreement would be subject to conditions of the project labor agreement This is the would be moot correct Unfortunately, thank you Mr. Assistant city manager Uh Wouldn't section 4.2 point 1 be Cover us in that instance where it now says the city manager may waive or otherwise modified this requirement where a particular construction craft Does not have sufficient local presence I'll defer to that that only goes to the local workforce Requirements. It's not the PLA itself to the extent that there's a If you were looking to maintain that flexibility with regards to the PLA policy itself We would move that subsection b also down to where the exigent circumstances references Repeat that for me so in order to be able to Look at basically kind of maintain this flexibility for like the trucking hauling scenario We would want to be able to allow the city manager to also Have the ability in limited circumstances to waive the PLA requirements more generally Um, and so we would need to take the language from four and I'm pointing at my own screen Which I really is not helpful but 4.2 point 1 b and then copy that and then paste that down into 4.3 right above um The exigent circumstances paragraph Right above here So that if you did that then that would allow staff to have the limited flexibility To in a situation where there's not sufficient local union density to be able to Wave the PLA policy requirements with respect to that particular sub kind of set of work right that subcraft and um, so it's something to consider as we kind of Think about you know getting the training wheels off the policy I think that that's and to the extent that we've recalibrated and staff is relying on that an exception like that too much I think there's a feedback loop between staff and council that that could help Keep us connected about that, but that would be the way to address council members um sweat helms and council members sorriers questions about if there would be flexibility to omit things like trucking and hauling Where we have kind of a little bit of a problem Okay, uh, and I I'd be I'd be comfortable with that If we also then if we start to see that there's Subform of an issue or if it's not working for whatever reason Council can bring the policy back and amend that specific portion if we needed to if uh, if council members are amenable to it So so can I clarify if you don't mind are you uh, I'm open to um, Moving the language down and trying it out or leaving it as is and then coming back I'm open to moving it down and trying it out. And if there's an issue we can bring it back Got it. Okay. I apologize. Thanks And I'm looking to my colleagues to see if there's any objection to that Okay So mr. Mayor what I'll do is under 4.3 um the exclusions um I'll have to kind of restructure it a little bit, but there'll be three exclusions one if it's inconsistent with state federal Or other public funding. These are all determinations by the city manager One inconsistent with state federal or other public funding source requirements Two where a particular construction craft does not have sufficient local presence And then three is uh, there's an emergency Or other urgent need to protect health safety or welfare Okay Any additional comments? Okay, madam city clerk. Can you please call the vote? Um Just to confirm that was moved by council member mcdonald and seconded by council member fleming and correct. Okay Council member schwedhelm no Council member soyer no Council member rogers. Yes Council member mcdonald. Hi Council member fleming. Yes Vice mayor alvarez. Hi Mayor rogers. Hi That motion passes with five ayes and council member soyer and council member schwedhelm voting no Okay Thank you everybody So item 15.1 is our public hearing. We're going to continue that to our November 1st meeting which is next week So we'll keep working through our communications We'll jump all the way back to the beginning of our meeting and thank you everybody for your participation uh, we will We have no staff briefings. We have no proclamations Uh Do we have a city attorney and city manager reports? I have nothing to report this evening. Thank you Okay We have mayors and council member reports. Does anybody have anything to report tonight? I'll keep it short and sweet I just want to send a shout out to Teresa Medina And let her know that one day she too can sit up here and make Decisions for our local Government, thank you Thank you council member. Who else has a report tonight? Okay Um, I'm going to come back to mine in just a moment. I'm looking for my notes We're we're making an appointment to the chair of the personnel board and I want to make sure I do it tonight But I've got to get the information Let's jump to item 10 point 2 point 1 The request for an agenda item regarding city council ordinance number 2 7 1 3 chapter 1 1 dash 1 6 traffic This is the vice mayor's item Uh, if you'd like to provide an introduction on what exactly you're asking council for to add to the agenda Thank you, mayor In essence, I'm asking my colleagues to repeal the cruising Prohibition that has been in effect for over 20 years It's It's an ordinance that I feel Is based out of fear Towards a particular sector of our community Uh, particularly the latino or even more specifically the low rider community Uh, and I'll start by saying That cruises are not side shows Low riders are not sideshow organizers participants Nor are they spectators Low riders do not do donuts We eat them And we live by the motto low and slow Not fast and furious fear Is what associates them And what we have the opportunity to correct tonight To move forward Inclusion equity these things that we speak so greatly about Senator's a cruising ordinance Is based On the fear of not knowing A certain part of our community One that I hope We recognize That is oppressive It's the same community that stepped forward and worked with law enforcement in our former mayor Shroudham to produce the murder of Lou vehicle That is the community that I'm speaking of An organized community The Sonoma county low rider council The california low rider alliance These are organizations that do good work in our community Toy drives school supplies But yet for my youth We've been vilified And all we want to do is show our youth that there's a better way It doesn't have to be a no it has to be better yourself Allow me to tell you More of who low riders are The word low riders songs from the 70s that describe who we are and what we bring to the table We are an art show on wheels is what a low rider is It is a Chicano movement. It is a people It is expression of who we are And what we think of ourselves We shine And we do go low and slow So what I'm asking you tonight to do is to vote To move the conversation forward To demonstrate to a community that they are included That they do matter And there's also the risk that we're taking or that I'm taking by presenting this before us If we don't move this movement forward, then the message is clear We don't matter We should be feared And that is that is something that hope Is not the outcome. Thank you, mayor Thank you, mr. Vice mayor So we do have a motion and a second on it. Let's go to public comment on the item. I think if this isn't To approve anything tonight. It's to add it to the agenda for a discussion So with that, I'll come right here into the chamber first before we go to zoom and then do our pre-recorded messages Hello, my name is Juan Roman. I'm an instructor here at the center of junior college And I will be instructing also at skyline college Low writing has it has always been very very important to me ever since I was a kid It was an outlet that helped me to find who I am today as a man I'm a father I'm an instructor But i'm also a community member with the sonoma county lower outer council sonoma county lower outer council Has made many changes throughout the last couple years there was an incident that happened in 2013 when antelopes was brutally shot and there was a division between us versus them Which is law enforcement And it was through the love and the spirit of low writing that we started bringing community together with the mary lou trust started building We have events where we have police officers at our events And it's peaceful We don't think of it as us versus them if lowrider if As a child if I didn't if I was never introduced into lowriding who knows where I would be We're not those people that Hollywood, you know portrays I'm a family man. I ain't got time for drama And what I like doing, you know with my with my family my friends. I like getting in my car Starting it up driving around town I mean in today's gas price. I kind of you know, I have to think about that but still The love and the passion that we have and that we invoke in in our community. It's strong We're against side shows. We're against Any kind of brutality with it with whether it's community against community or anything We don't We don't provoke Violence we don't you know ask for it What we do ask for safety net Right are we against police? No, we're not What we are against this is any kind of violence or any kind of destruction to our community That is just a little I would say a little seasoning To what lowriding actually is lowering is about love law writing is about passion community culture I mean the list goes on I'm running out of time. Thank you very much for your For years Thank you, sir Good evening city council. My name is david eskbar and My esteemed colleague is pretty humble, but he's he is a major Figure in the lowrider community in santa rosa in general. I want to thank you for your time I want to I know you're tired just like I am but I think this is a critical issue for us as a as a As being part of the lowrider community member. I think that I'm here on behalf of and I and thank you Um Councilman alvarez for bringing this forward. I really appreciate it Um councilman strudel sounds for your you know participation and collaboration with the the lowrider council um, I think the uh, the actual ordinance Was put put in place at another time It was another era and another mindset Currently the sonoma county lowrider council and lowriding in general Um has moved forward in more of a collaborative effort in partnership. I heard the word partnership By councilman mcdonnell mcdonnell today about and how important it is For that relationship We've been building trust with the santa rosa police department. We've been building trust with the department of community engagement here with the city the mary lou was an example of What is possible? In building bridges between community And uh city government I think it's time to Repeal this this ordinance and for us as a lowrider community it actually lowriding is actually part of our healing Are about our inner intergenerational trauma that we've Been through um through whether it's our indigenous pass or Etc We're we're using lowriding as as community healing not only of ourselves, but also also the community um, I want to also thank uh chief cregan and um chief navarro former chief navarro for his efforts In collaboration with the lowrider council and um our charitable efforts in the community um, and so in the spirit um in of continued collaboration Between the lowrider classic cars and lowrider council I I urge you to bring this forward And repeal in the conversation to repeal The ordinance and for us lowriding is part of a community violence A community tool for community violence prevention So um with that I want to thank you and again I want to thank all the other city lowrider councils that are going to be talking in today throughout california on this particular issue. Thank you Thank you Let's go to zoom. We have flavio followed by larane Okay, thank you. Hello city council members of santa rosa My name is flavio. We saw and I am the community outreach liaison to the sacramento lowrider commission And the chair of the california lowrider alliance I would like to speak to you today about your no cruising ordinance in santa rosa In the 80s and in the 90s these ordinances were made to deal with the gang problems that were happening all across california But the problem with that was that it cast a net over a lowriding community that had done nothing But uh cruise and be able to have their culture represented in these cars And so what this did was it racially profiled Brown and black communities all throughout uh california And so when we see these ordinances we see that we are not equal we see that we are not able to move forward Think about uh the signs in the south when you think about the signs in the south, they're gone But the stigma behind white and black only is still there I I would not be surprised if your no cruising signs Are in the brown communities or the black communities or the red lined areas in santa rosa because that's what's happened all throughout california These ordinances were created to divide and to split us apart But I want to share with you that currently cities throughout california are removing these ordinances because they see them for what they were They see them as racially biased ordinances that were created to divide us and You gotta understand that lowriding When someone builds a lowrider They put a lot of time a lot of effort families come together And what we're talking about is investment of monies and times And all of this is done to create a canvas on four wheels And what happens is this canvas on four wheels Is it's taken up and down the boulevard and it's shown as the investment and the pride of a culture and a community The lowriding community in santa rosa has been continuing to invest And invest in your city Understand that when these cars come these cars are an economic engine to wherever these cars go Wherever these cars go finances come in Currently sacramental san jose has removed their ordinances. And let me tell you something in our city We are thriving right now and helping businesses and business districts because we are working together with our city The california lowrider alliance that represents over 14 cities in california Asked you to move forward and remove the no cruising ordinance in your city And bring us together bring healing into your city and work with the sonoma lowrider council to go forward Thank you and have a great evening. Thank you so much. We'll go to lorraine followed by teresa Hi, good. Uh night. I should say um, this is lorraine kenyonis and I am part of the california lowrider council And i'm speaking in favor of cruising and would like to highlight That cruising is not a crime And I would like to see the ordinance repealed there in santa rosa And join in the efforts that is actually a statewide movement currently as flavio mentioned Starting with sacramental and working its way down south here to east l. A where I live and reside But we are unified and showing up in solidarity to show That cruising is not a crime. This is part of our culture. This is Our family time. This is our bonding time as a community and even friends And families join together and we enjoy our cruising And we partake in different community events And we are a big contribution with toy drives or Turkey drives or just having picnics and showing positive Community efforts together And so recently a tool we've used is the resolution written by lucerebus acr 176 And so I would take a good look at that to educate oneself on the contributions of lowrider community and the historic locations of cruising Um, it honors the culture of cruising and the legacy of cruising.  Um, you know exercise we go out to cruise and relieve our stress And you know unwind after the hard work week. I'm an educator And so this is a pastime for my family and I to go on cruise And I would like us to make sure to highlight as you guys have mentioned so much the mental health and wellness and how much it plays a factor in our social And well-being and so cruising is that for many of us So I ask that it be respected and that the the ordinance be repealed And that we erase the stigma that has been plaguing our our culture That is related to cruising So I join um with the many who call in today and the council members who have brought that forward today. Thank you Thank you. We'll go to tereza Teresa you're using an older version of zoom Perhaps you could call in that may be So we can hear your comment While we figure that out, let's do our voicemail public comments and we'll come back to you, Teresa My name is Laura Gonzalez and I'm calling in support of item 10.2.1 to the cruising ordinance And we should give the lowrider community a voice let it happen I'm also calling in protest of item 12.2 We do not need an armored rescue vehicle. These are not the mean streets of saluja or Kiev or wherever Santa Rosa, this is not where our money needs to go. We need money spent elsewhere Not on more military grade items for the police force. Thank you All right, my name is jerry thompson with medestal cruisers council on agenda 10.2.1 I agree that uh, there should be a lift on the band of cruising. It's a Culture that has been oppressed over the years and it's social it also shows Discrimination against the lowrider community by lifting this band it shows that you're as a community is willing to Put aside the differences and agree that Things that happened years ago are not currently of things of of current time So I am in favor of you voting and passing and lifting the band on your cruising ordinance 10.2.1. Thank you My name is olivia font seca Representing the sacramental lowrider commission. I am commenting on agenda item 10 dash 2.1 traffic I'm commenting and in support of the santa rosa Lowrider car clubs and the repeal of the ordinance to remove the no cruising signs and ordinance The current no ordinance requires That the city continue to discriminate against a particular Racial group and that is Hispanics and Black americans Lowriding is not a crime It is a right of individuals to be able to ride the streets Of santa rosa and to be able to enjoy their vehicles as they are traveling On the path of these roads Lowriding is not side shows. We do not perform Donuts our squirrel our wheels or endanger the public we are slow and No, hello, my name is laura. My name is jerry thompson with medecino cruisers council My name is marisa rosales. I am calling regarding item 10 dash 2 I didn't know it was an option for us to listen to them all at the same time I am calling regarding item 10 dash 2 dash 1 And i'm calling in support of The council bringing up and opening up for discussion the cruising ordinance in santa rosa can Ma I am A lowrider with the united lowrider coalition And these ordinance are discriminatory. They target a culture an entire culture and latinos to be harassed and Harass and Been pulled over by law enforcement My position is that the vehicle code and the penal code Is a vast enough tool for the police department to Do their duties and fulfill their job? Suffice So I do not believe that your your city needs this ordinance At all it it's like I said obstructs an entire culture from practicing What they love to do lowriding is not just a cultural Experience it is also therapeutic for many people To be able to get in their cars freely without Without fear of being harassed and pulled over by law enforcement For something as innocent as cruising your car or driving your car Thank you for your time. I do hope that your City chooses to do the right thing for their community Thank you and good evening So I see Teresa. My name is olivia. My name is labio. Weasar sflaviohuizar These are comments on the open comment. I am Take down the page Everybody speaking So that'll end our uh voicemail public comments, but I do see Teresa We do have a second slide with voicemail. Oh my apologies My name is Dave Barski And I'm calling to comment on a couple things I've taken a look at what's coming up for this city council meeting And I want to say that I agree 100 percent This item 10.2.1 The one that's about low riders And I also have a disagreement Absolutely with item 12.1, which is about the armored vehicle Armored assault vehicle For here That's all please. Uh, have a great day My name is Teresa Medina. I am the president of metro club. I'm a recruiter of high school And this is a public comment I would like to advocate for the removal of item 13 For the cruising ordinance and it being removed reason being It being a modern-day gym crow logs crow log To target poor brown and black people From freely driving their vehicles as they please I'm a member of the low rider community And I want to be able to drive without being afraid Of being called over because i'm brown and i'm driving a custom vehicle Thank you Hi, my name is Jorge Arias. I am a member of metro club at mario creole high school And this is a public comment I would like to advocate of the removal of item 13 for the cruising ordinance and it being removed reason being It being a modern-day gym crow logs to target poor brown and black people with From freely driving their vehicles as they please Thank you Okay Now let's go to Teresa followed by Roberto Still nothing from Teresa Good evening. There we go. My name is Sorry about that Good evening. My name is Teresa and Sanma Medina. I am currently a junior Junior and the president of metro at mario creole high school I am here today to speak on this cruising ordinance as well as to witness this historical event with the spirit of community involvement And the love of low riding and cruising I have been working on taking this cruising ordinance down This racist ordinance has been around since 1988 It was a way to racially target poor brown and black people Cruising is nothing harmful. It is a way to escape from the stresses our lives bring Even though signs were removed law enforcement officers can still enforce it with this ordinance still being enforced It will give the law enforcement the right to end cause for racially profiling Cities throughout california have began to remove these ordinances.  Cruising is not a crime and it has passed my bedtime, but this issue is very important to me. So i'm staying up Thank you Thank you so much Teresa. I think it's passed everybody's bedtime. So we appreciate you being here Let's go to Roberto followed by rock. Howl Good evening My name is Roberto Hernandez and i'm the founder and president of the san francisco low rider council started 41 years ago and I actually lived for several years in santa rosa and um I got um asked by the sonoma county health department To create a low rider because i'm also an artist And work with 21 youth Uh and teach them how to paint and build the low rider as a project to educate 17 schools into numo county on latino culture and art It was one of the most beautiful experiences that i've had in my lifetime as an artist To get paid to get hired by government To create an art piece. That's a moving mural Throughout the years. I have seen the racism of different counties throughout the state of california because I travel a lot with my low rider and go to car shows But today I see that the california highway patrol has built their own low rider And I have had the opportunity to go to the unveiling of that low rider I also have gone to open california To see and witness the unveiling of the oakland fire uh department unveil their low rider As well as the oakland police department unveil their low rider I see low riders and commercials today in movies At the super bowl halftime show they had low riders We have been uh now part of Of having low riders at the recently the warriors championship parade We've been in the san francisco giants world serious championship parade So low riding today is appreciated in so many different ways by mainstream society You have low riders in japan, australia, brazil all over the world today. So today it's a it's a new day You know latinos and our culture is now appreciated at a whole different level. So I urge you as here in the year 2022 to Not live in the dinosaur racist area but come and really join And be part of a community latinos latinos that we are today The main Engine of the state of california and sonoma county and support our culture and our art, which is low riding. Thank you Have a good night Let's go to rock hell followed by resident zero five seven seven Hello, good evening. I'm still here. I just want to uh touch base on this subject Um kind of echo what my brothers and sisters have already said And as I said earlier tonight We are about family and and we are about community um Something that david had mentioned a key point in low riding um in the past here in san rosa Times were different and the way they are now. I believe there has been a big change Um, then what it was back then we are hardworking members of this community of our community and Just like my brothers and sisters said and what I said earlier um I would really Appreciate if we could remove this ordinance um repeal this Because it is uh It is being Racist to a community who has only tried To do good and I would like to keep working together And making it a positive instead of a negative Thank you very much. Good evening Thank you. We'll go to resident five one eight zero Hi, my name is christina romer. Can you hear me? Yes we can Hi, I'm sorry about that. Uh, i'm christina romero from the los angeles the rider community I'm calling in in support of 10.21 Uh to remove the ordinances for low riding in san rosa I echo and ditto everything that everybody said about the lord community and what great people they are and the positive Force that we have in all of our communities across the state And we'd like to be recognized as You know the tax paying constituents That are civil service workers. We're working in education We work at all the local businesses. We're business owners in california creating jobs And I think that it's time that low riding if that is a hobby or a pastime of any anybody in california Is looked at and respected for the art and for the effort and the sacrifice that people put into building these These cars and being able to go out and show them off and Participate in the community is very important to us. We are assets in the community. We are community builders We can be an asset Politically we can be an asset Publicly and we can be an asset to all of our communities and we want to be recognized for that Low riding is a way for us to show the culture And and the the beauty of the culture for For decades and generations and so we want people to see it for the positive Um influence that it has on on all of our community and even the young people in our community that um, you know, maybe Meeting some guidance or some You know direction we offer that to them. And so we just want to Put a positive, uh, you know spin on this now. Please remove the ordinances for cruising Santa Rosa Uh, we want to support your city and support every other city in california that's trying to do the same thing And that's my comment All right, thank you. All right. I'm going to go and bring it back council Is there any additional comment cast member schwedlem? Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um Quite frankly, I was a little disappointed with some of the comments that have been made today having been a patrol officer When we had the cruising it wasn't in a red line district It was downtown Santa Rosa and it totally Totally took all of the police resources to manage that And so i'm in favor of it coming back to council But i would just caution us to use some some heavy language was used here And again having been someone who was patrol officer at the time So I wasn't at the policy level But it was not low riders or people of color that was causing the issue oftentimes It was folks from marine county that just came here for their own reasons And it sounds like it's um, some people have the impression that this was a racist policy because you know What some of our um public commenters made But I think the reality in the downtown Santa Rosa was having a huge impact in the city council had to do something So again, I'm very supportive of let's let's let's have this conversation But let's make it a productive conversation. Why was it put in place back then and do we still need it? Or what adjustments can we can you know as david had mentioned with the low rider? Um, I'm all for that in the strides that we have made How do we make it a win-win and not adversarial because when I hear you know if you don't do this Then we're going to imply it means something else. That's not it Let's create something bring it back to council that works for everyone because there's a definite reason why I didn't realize it was 1988 is when it was implemented But there's a reason for that that the community demanded something be done because it was out of control back then And it was not the low riders back then Thanks House member mcdonald I'd like to say that I was part of the problem because when we were in high school It was actually high school kids that were cruising We had big trucks. They were down there. They'd party. They were under age I don't I don't recall ever seeing it As the low riders down there with us. It was actually high school kids And so I can understand why the ordinance was put in place because I was an offender so Uh, you know in full transparency I really appreciate what council member schwedhelm said because we don't want to open it back up But I think it's really time to have that conversation be sensitive that we are being an inclusive community So I thank you for bringing it forward I think it's a time to have these conversations that we don't have policies in place that Can make it seem like we are um targeting any anyone in our community So I think it's good to bring it forward and have that I just want to appreciate uh the council member Uh, just after her 50th birthday copying to being in high school in 1988 I graduated in 90 and if you do the math it adds up All right with that let's go ahead call the vote councilmember schwedhelm Hi councilmember soyer hi councilmember rogers hi councilmember mcdonald hi councilmember flemming hi vice mayor alvarez hi and I do want to thank terry sumardina for bringing this forward Uh, that's a future leader right there and mayor rogers hi That motion passes with seven eyes Great, uh before we move off of our councilmember reports I do all want to appoint luana Vito as the uh new chair for the personnel board So she'll work with staff to get up and running on that We have two sets of minutes tonight item 11. That's july 12th and july 26th 2022 Uh councilmember mcdonald. I know you said you had a couple of amendments to those minutes I do mayor just um the minutes of july 12th 2022 on page four I apologize for not sending this ahead of time but on page four maddie hershfield spoke in support to project labor agreements it says opposition so with that correction I didn't have anything further in either set of minutes Okay, are there any other changes from councilmembers? All right, we'll show those adopted without objection And working our way through our agenda we As I announced earlier, we continued item 15.1 to next week And then we have our written communications For a our quarterly board commission and committee's attendance report Before we adjourn, let's go to our last public comment for non-agenda matters And see if anybody has any additional comments See no one in the chambers Teresa Is that a legacy hand or do you have an additional comment? And the hand disappeared so I'll go ahead and bring it back. Thank you council We are adjourned