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This is the second time on the show, the first one was phenomenal. I know you guys are about to enjoy this, man. Boss man Brewster is in the building, big reform. Big reform, we in the building, baby. Wow, man, what's going on with you? Man, I'm alive, I'm alive, I'm free, so I'm blessed and I'm winning. Speak right into it, let me see something. Can you hear me? I can hear you, I want it to be clear. Man, I want you to be clear. There you go. We're talking big reform business, we need to be clear and accurate in the mic. Man, I just, like I said, the thing I love about you, man, is you never quit going, I'm gonna jump right in. Man, I seen you and Kiki went into the prison and that touched me, man, because I was like, man, you know, I just seen them, all that white, you see the white, you know where it's at, you know what time it is. I don't know what kind of boots they wear, but they used to get them old boots, them old boots was horrible. Yeah, they still horrible, that's them state boots, them black boots. Man, but I'm telling you, man, just to see, you know, all the stuff that goes into what one would do when they come in, because I remember people coming in, you know what I'm saying? Like, how did you even process being that you were locked up to be, you know, go back into the prison system? How did you find out what the process was gonna be? How did you do it? Did you do it while you was on parole? Or did you have to wait till you were off parole? Give us the ins and outs of how that happened. So I've never been on parole. I discharged my complete sentence. The big reform movement is something that me and the conciliator, we call him the jewel dropper, I get into that a little later, but that's something we came up with and we knew we wanted to impact the culture from the inside out. So I have several associates, friends, family members that's already on the inside. So that's my cheat sheet. I know what's going on the inside because I communicate with these guys. So once they expose some of the importance of, hey bro, we need to have some real wreckyard sessions down here. We need some guys to come into the system that we identify with, that we relate to. That's when I knew the importance of, we need to get to the wreckyards. We need to get into the system. We need individuals to be able to identify success on the level that they at. That's real. Yes, sir. That's real.  If you know how to stay out, what's the percentage of people who end up going back into prison? 76% of all inmates return back to prison within the first three years of being released. Wow. Yes, sir. 73%. 76. 76. Yes, sir. What you think about that? That's crazy. That's a lot. Yeah. That's a big, I mean like. But why is that so? Oh, my big reason it as lack of funds. Lack of funds. Individuals will commit crimes that are all time high about the funds. So I know that if you broke, the possibility of you committing a crime is extremely high. Versus if you somebody that's getting a little paper, you got some bread coming in, your thought process is going to be different, your decision-making is going to be different. An individual that has zero dollars, versus a person that's has four, five hundred dollars, the decision-making is different. What happened to those people who used to be out here hustling and stuff like that and making a lot of money, come back home trying to do right, but because they can't get a job and stuff like that, they go right back to the streets because that's where they can make their money. Right, so that's bullshit, Ms. Jamaica. When they say they can't get no job, you don't want no job. A mind blown by the amount of individuals that come home from prison. In prison, it's something called the whole squad, kitchen workers. You're going to break your neck to go out here to go to the kitchen. As a matter of fact, when they call kitchen workers out, if they miss you, you going to be telling them, like, don't get the serge. Go get the lieutenant, man, they didn't get me for work. But the moment you release back into society, you go to talk about what you ain't going to do. They ain't paying me enough, bro. You was just working for free. How you go from working for free to what they finna give you, 10, 11 dollars, and that's not enough. That's because of the mind set. That's because why you was incarcerated.  You was watching General Hospital all day and betting on LeBron now. Wow, I think that's something that you see a lot of people, they'll say a lot of things when they locked up. You know, they send a lot of letters home. They make a lot of promises to kids. Correct.  I'll say about six months. Six months. I don't see any dudes get out. Six months, they be right back. They got the same TDC number. Send them right back to the same unit. Send them back to the same unit and everything. Wow. That's because they wasn't properly prepared upon being released. We are, I know you've heard of the five P's, proper preparation, prevents poor performance.  I got a question. Because I don't know a lot about, I just take from what people tell me.  In the halfway house, they have programs where it's supposed to help you get jobs. So they're supposed to help. So is that the only thing that they have that they give you to prepare you for? As far as jobs?  So the judicial system has different programs. I work with RPD, the rehabilitation program division. I work with them. So we have many different programs that are in place to assist individuals. Now, granted, you have to put forth the effort. Exactly. You know, if you're sitting there waiting on us or you waiting on the state of Texas to do something for you, you're gonna be waiting for effort. But if you're putting forth the effort to better yourself, you're putting forth the effort to get the help you need, of course it's there.  Even after being in prison so long, they still feel like that. Man, you have individuals who are incarcerated. You have individuals that are free, who know the rules, regulations, and policies of the prison facility and care more about the prison facility than they do about the success of their cells and their families in society. They can tell you everything that the system ain't doing, but can't tell you nothing about what they ain't doing. Wow. I just, you know, and that's something else, man. You know, how many people did you see? And I know you get this a lot. They came down that really was innocent, but they, and it got out and they wasn't even a part of what had happened. I've met a few guys. You see what I'm saying? I have met a few guys who were, you know, falsely incarcerated. Correct, correct. You know, so those type of cases are taking place in our system. And there's a special organization that needs to be able to adapt to that. But when it comes to that big reform, I committed my crime. I shot all four of them people. Damn. And it wasn't the first time. I tell people, when I went to prison, that was the first time I got caught. Not the first time I had done shot somebody. Yeah. I committed my crime. So, you know, my attitude about prison may not be the same as someone who's been falsely incarcerated because you do have individuals that are falsely incarcerated. You know, that's an unfortunate situation. That's something that do need to be identified and addressed. And from what I'm seeing, we have elevated as far as with the forensic science, technology and DNA to be able to, you know, prove the innocence or whatnot. But as far as Brewster and that big reform movement, man, we locked in on changing lives in the culture, in the streets. What we're talking to the homeless that's really putting in that work? Yes. I ain't talking about the guys who falsely incarcerated. Yeah, yeah. And I see that. And you really connect them with these people as they come home and you really giving it, you know what I mean, giving them a chance if they want to take it. There you go. You said the key word. If they want to take it. If you want to take it. Because if you're looking for Brewster to turn your life around overnight, that's not what's been to happen. If you're looking for Brewster to do the work, that's not what's been to happen. But what is been to happen is Brewster going to expose to you that you can be successful at a high level. Wow. I'm going to expose that to you. I'm from the old school, man. We believe in putting in our own work. Let's talk about you taking, I believe when you took little Kiki down there, it was the same prison that he had visited before he told me on here. So the first time, that was the very first prison. I took him to several cities. But the very first prison that we went to, we was in the car and he was like, where are we going? I said, we're going to go to Polonskin, you know what I mean? I'm going to take you over here. He said, Polonskin? He said, you for real? I said, yeah, what's up? He said, man, the first time I ever visited somebody in prison was at this unit. I said, oh, yeah, bad. So when I took him in there, you know, as a matter of fact, when he saw his partner, we had pretty much wrapped up everything we was doing. Dude just walked by telling me, look at our black boy. So when he turned around, you know, we was finna keep everybody walking. He was finna get your case. He was finna go lock up, cause he was the turn. He was on some man. I ain't going to know what I see little Kiki. You know what I'm saying? That's what he was on. So when we turned around, I'm like, what's up, Kiki? Kiki like, oh no, that's bro. I'm looking at Kiki, looking at him. Man, he hugged Kiki for about 20 minutes. Damn. Man, he hugged Kiki when they let Kiki go. Cause he had a real connection. Yeah, that's Kiki's partner for real. They grew up together. Kiki, you know what I'm saying? Now, I didn't know when we got to the unit, we didn't know that the dude was her. When Kiki saw him, it was a wrap. Kiki was just like, damn. They were both stuck in a, you know, in a trains looking at each other. He hugged him for a good 20 minutes, man. Wow. I just, man, and when you took him in there on the film that I seen, the warden, the guards, all of them was embracing you guys in a way of respect, you know, and really showing that they wanted to let these guys who wanted to pay part in seeing you guys and coming out and supporting what you were doing, they really seemed like they was into it, you know? Oh man, let me make sure we send a big, big shout out to the rehabilitation program. Division in the state of Texas, what they're doing with the penal system is hands down, unbelievable. Something that's unprecedented, something that's never taken place. Yeah, we have a give them a very big shout out. They are really implementing real programs to assist individuals like myself to becoming better people. Now, keep in mind, this ain't the Hilton Hotel. It is prison.  This all about you or about self. The opportunity is there. Now, what you do with the opportunity, that's on you, bro. Wow, and just, you got to think, man. A lot of those guys, you know, are lifers. A lot of them got double life sentences. Never come home, you know? And the only thing, the only glimmer of hope they see is in you guys when you go in there. And I think that's something people don't think about a lot, you know what I mean? That some of those guys stand, you know, they may not be trying to change to come home. They're just changing just because they need to change. And that'd be really my message when I'm dealing with lifers, individuals that got a significant amount of time. It's not even really about whether you are, whether you're free or locked up as much as it's about the man you are. The man you becoming, your legacy. If it's all said and done, what you want to leave behind?  May that be affect somebody else's life? May that be helping somebody else do something?  Man, I was going to ask about the dag press guy while I was in prison. Before you get onto that, I'm still in prison, but I read an article once and tell me if this, how can an inmate get to be able to do this if this is true because I started an article and there was an inmate who, you know, y'all go to school and stuff, get your degrees. This person actually got a doctor degree as in like medical doctor. Do they, I don't hear that a lot though. Right, so Pete, you were some of the smartest men in the world are incarcerated. Some of the most skillful, talented individuals are incarcerated. So him being able to get that degree. That medical degree. Yeah, I'm not surprised by that at all. I know scholars that are incarcerated. I'm talking about professional professors and, you know, some of the best hidden talent potential we have are with men and women that are incarcerated behind the walls. Okay, but they said that he got it, but my next thought is, okay, so now when he gets out of prison, and yes, you are a licensed doctor, you can do surgery, whatever. How hard would it be for that person with that record to come out and start his own practice and actually start, you know, moving forward? So I'm not familiar with the medical industry in that field to be able to speak on it, but I would like to believe that if you are licensed and you're able to build a platform and get you some clients going, you're good to go. It's like cutting her.   Yeah, Dak, that's my boy. I got Major Love for Dak Prescott. Big shout out to my boy, Dak. Wow, like what was it like dealing with him? And how did you even connect to him to, you know, re-enter the prison system? So I work with a guy named Damon West. Okay. And Damon and Dak, they pretty cool.  We want you to give him a tour. And I kinda laughed it off.  This is the, we talking about the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. They like, yeah. So we get the Dak pulled up, blew my mind, I got out the car, I'm like, damn, that's Dak. I was like, I went over, hollered, what's up, bro? He was like, what's up?  He was like, yeah. I had a whole nother found respect for him at that moment. Of course. The fact that the man stopped what he was doing. Man, bro, I ain't gotta come away. And we ain't like in Dallas. We way in Husvill. That's two hours away. Bro came out there, went into the prison, toured the facility, came into the chapel. He spoke, he kicked it with the homers. I'm talking about, I mess with Dak. Wow. And I know that they had to love that, bro. Cause there's people in the free world that's not even getting to see Dak. These things, these things right here is small. The unit, the unit. At this point, the unit went into a uproar. And the guards. What everybody went crazy, said, I told Dak, I said, listen to them Dallas Cowboys. Man, that's a serious situation in the penal institution in Texas. That's real. Listen to them in the state of Texas in that prison system. The Dallas Cowboys is very serious.  Y'all, we definitely can get you. I explain that to Dak, you hear me? He like you for real, man. Listen, we finna go in this prison.  Yeah, cause they for real about them Cowboys. And the one who ain't is for real, not about them Cowboys. You got Houston in there in Dallas. That's a whole situation. Listen, man. The Houston Texans, and the Dallas Cowboys. It's a problem in there. That's a problem inside of my penis. That's a problem. Several things will take place behind the Cowboys in them Texas in the state of Texas, man. They serious about it. Do you hear me? So how long did he stay down there? With you all day or just after that? He chilled about two, three hours with him. Two or three hours. Yeah, he came down toward the facility. He actually, he helped graduate. It's a program called the Change Agent. Wow. And he helped graduate some of the guys. He was the keynote speaker. Man, Dak was very down to earth. How much do you think that changed the inmates life that he did help and the ones that's coming home? Did you think, do you think it spilled hope on him? Oh, not only do I know what he done.  It's what it done for me. Come on now. You know what I'm saying? Just to be able to see, like, that's the sweets for me. People always hear me from the streets to the sweets. And you know, when I'm saying that, they'll think that I'm talking about some money. I'm talking about experiences. You know, that was an experience for me that I'll never be able to forget. I consider that the sweets, being able to rock with, you know, Dak Prescott. This is the Dallas Cowboys starting quarterback. You know what I'm saying? So to know that you're changing your life or put you in this kind of position, it's like, damn, just doing writing. You know, doing what I'm supposed to do as a man, as a better person, it'll create opportunities like this. Well, you kicking it with people like that. What you kicking it with people like Lil' Kiki. You kicking it with Donk. Lady J, baby. Like, you know, to be, to come from sitting in a sale in your boxes, to being able to go to roof, Chris with Lil' Kiki, man, that's the sweets. That's definitely the sweets. That's the sweets. A lot of niggas in the free world ain't doing that. You're a lot of these free world niggas, man. Got clean records. They got nothing on their records. That's the sweets for me, man. They're not seeing baby. They're not seeing nothing. That's the sweets for me, man. Being able to do things like that. So how did you and baby link up? Was it a thing where he went down there or he went down there a little? Niner took baby to the prison like two or three different times. So me and baby got a unique relationship. You know, we met and it wasn't under the best terms and conditions. It was a miscommunication between me and baby. But as yours would go by and we would link back up, man, we was able to both see that, you know, it was more about, baby thought my passion was about aggression.  I want the homies to see man changing your life and doing right can get you this too, bro. So when I bumped into him the first time, I was a little rough around the edges, but as time will pass, man, baby hit me, man, let's do it. Whenever you need me to go into one of these prisons, man, I want to go in there with you, man. I'm not coming in there as baby. I'm coming in there as a spectator, man. I want to simply see the work that you're doing and I want to simply do whatever I can to uplift and continue to promote what you're doing. Baby is somebody who did come in and when I say he came in, he didn't come in with no ill intentions or with the intentions of trying to, you know, let it be about baby. He came in with the intentions that this is about the big reform movement and I'm here to support that. Wow. Yeah, baby stand up. I met him now. I had never met baby till we was at the comedy show. That was my first time meeting him. People don't realize how we just kind of stay in our own lane, you know, because we've been at this store for 18 years.  And I'd be like, no, I never met him. So until I went to, it was Bubba Dub show, whose show was it? It might have been. I think it was Bubba Dub show. Was it Bubba Dub show? It was one of them shows and I met him. He seemed like a stand up guy. You know what I'm talking about? Talk with him. Like I say, I can't say, man. Baby, somebody I can get on the line. Hey, baby, we trying to get X, Y and Z done. If he can help you and facilitate it then he gonna do his part, you know what I'm saying? That's good. And the thing is, man, the way that your passion is, I enjoy it.  You've been around all type of characters. Yes, sir. You don't seen everybody. I don't seen it all, baby. I can lace you up and read you by five minutes. Real quick. Quickly. Real quick. And I think that's dope because it helps you even out here in the free world, you know? Correct. Because you, people don't realize you had that time to study people's character. Correct. And so you dominating when you come down to seeing things, you can see things coming a mile away in slow motion. It's funny, it's funny that you say that I often tell the guys that's incarcerated, I don't see prison as a, as the state penitentiary. You hear me? I see it as an institution where you're able to learn human behavior, psychology, socialology. You know, you're going to learn these things at a high level. You may live on a door with a hundred guys. That's a hundred different personalities, a hundred different walks of life, a hundred different thought patterns. So you're going to learn that. I was in prison almost 14 years. So when I come out here, I just need to have a five minute conversation with you. I got you all, you know, I just need to have a quick little conversation with you. Then I better tell you, look, I eat, that ain't it right there. Go ahead. And it's so funny because the only thing I think about when you're saying that, is that I wish that more men would be able to have something like that where women are concerned because they don't ever understand women. And you understand. That's interesting. I just told a dude, man, you know, living with your woman and living with your selling. Them two totally different things. Wow. Not that you say that. I think it was Meek Meals, they was messing with about that. He said that when your selling leave, it's like your woman leaving. Yeah, nah.  Them two different things. It was like that, bro. Well, he may be insinuating from the standpoint you may develop a relationship with your selling. If y'all been selling for two years or a year and y'all done develop that personal relationship and they come tell you to pack up, you gon' move, you gon' be kinda like, ah, they taking my boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the world and baby leaving that house, oh man. That's a whole different process. Man, that's a whole different process. Woo, that's another high. You, oh, it's gonna be bad. What? Ain't nobody cooking? Ain't nobody cleaning? It's quiet. Ain't no clothes getting wet? Ain't no rumping? It's quiet. It's quiet. She took the kids. Oh, man.  She took them kids, boy, that's a wrap. So I gotta jump on something else that really struck a nerve with me, man, cause I had hit, I had kinda hit Han and Conn Brace up when he came home and he was gone before I could even lock in with him the way I needed to. What did you think about him getting out in the way that he ended up just going right back? Right.  I thought he was a clown. Really? I'm perfectly honest with you. Anyone who has his type of talent, anyone who has his connections, anyone that's in his position to be able to better their selves and you self-selvertize yourself. I mean, it's a reflection of the way you spent your time. You know, you got Birdman in the hood chilling. I said, you got Birdman in your neighborhood chilling. Me getting into some trouble would have been the farthest thing from my mind. I'm fresh out of prison. So, and then it's also a reflection of the individual that you have around you. That's helping you make your decisions. The people that are influencing you. Everyone is influenced from somewhere, some way, some out. So whoever it is that's influencing you, obviously they doing a piss-poor job, sir.  Yet, it's been sitting in prison. Like, it's been buried alive. So, you know, when people, you're just asking me about the guy, I don't personally know him, just on the outside looking in. Man, he's not even someone that I'd be looking to associate with. But I would be trying, like, why he ain't costs right enough? If you can get word to him, let him know. Lock in with the big reform moment. We can begin to reform his mentality so that when he get here, he can be successful. So that, one of the guys that you guys work with, that's one of the furthest things from their mind is just putting themselves in bad situations when they come home. One of the number one things we work on with the guys is understanding your thought patterns. Your thoughts is what leads to your actions. When you walk back into society, being around constructive, positive individuals, sound individuals, is what you need. You don't need it to come home, especially for someone like him who's in the entertainment industry. You know, obviously he got a little money, a little cloud. Cool. He needs real people around him who genuinely love him, genuinely care about him, and they're not making a decision based off of what they're going to personally gain from this situation. They're making a decision based off of, man, honey, come, I want to see you be the best you, bro. I don't want to see you crash and burn. Those are the type of individuals he need around him. Let me ask you this. If you was a friend to him hypothetically, and he came home and he jumped on the internet and did some of the things that he'd done, what would have been something that you would have tried to tell him to, you know, get him at bay? Right, so if you're my partner and we got a real relationship, I'ma just walk up and take the phone.  We ain't moving like that. You the bag. We not doing none of that, bro. You was tripping. You need to get to the studio and you need to be getting them raps in. That's what you need to be doing. Obviously you're not successful at what you're doing. You keep going to prison. Anyone that's keep going to prison, people keep dying. Obviously you're not successful in this industry. So we need to reroute you. When I say reroute you, meaning we need to go about this a different way, bro. Your way didn't work. Wow, I think that's dope that you, you know, cause that's what he needed to hear. Yes. Like I say, when you got individuals that surround you, looking for their own personal game, it's going to be hard for them to tell you the truth. They looking for you to do some form versus somebody like me. I got my own. I don't need none from you. Allegedly the guys that was with him, you know, basically some of the security guys didn't have all this stuff right to be carrying firearms and some stuff. So, so, so, so, so if I'm someone of his, of his statue in his position, yeah, I'm going to have someone that can have a firearm. You're going to check, make sure that they are qualified. Man, I got them. You telling me we don't know nobody that's qualified to carry a firearm? I'm a convicted felon. I'm not going to have it. So who else in this vehicle is going to be legal and qualified to be able to carry that firearm? Wow. And I think that's important. But do you think that some people are still stuck in their certain type of mentality where they're not even like thinking about that?  Exactly. I would advise individuals that are looking to strive to become better men, that's looking to strive to reach a certain level of success. You know, you trying to do these unbelievable things, understanding the importance of security. My homeboy around the corner that I grew up with is not security.   And then some people, wouldn't some people, I'm just scenario, scenarios just keep coming to my head or thinking about what people might be thinking, why they could possibly not get that. Some men be feeling like because they're so street, they feel like I can't trust the security, cause security can be bought off, security can whatever. That's why I'm not going to have somebody around that I really don't trust or know. So this one thing I know about, if you so street, then you would understand the logistics of security of the way you're moving and the way you're doing your thing. It's very important that if I'm a hot, I'm a big time entertainer. I got all this beef, all this drama or whatnot. I'm going to, I'm going to have some people around me that it's legal for them to have the firearm. The quickest way to get Kijin Bruce out the equation is just to, hey, he got a gun in the car. Y'all need to pull him over. They pull a car with some weapon in her. Everybody's saying it ain't theirs. I'm a convicted felon. Obviously I'm going to jail. That happens a lot. It ain't going to happen with Kijin. It ain't going to happen with Kijin Bruce. Cause it definitely happens a lot with guys ending up with different security guys who say, it ain't mine. It's going to be yours. That's the only way you're going to be in this vehicle. I'm a convicted felon. We know Kijin's not taking the case. And you don't go in the vehicles with people that you don't really know if they have a gun on them. I got my own key. You want my keys to my truck there? I got my own vehicle. Excuse me, let me see that. So I got my own vehicle. So in the event there's something taking place that I'm not in the grids with, I just go hit that. Hit that button. Because do you always know somebody actually have something on them? You don't know. You don't go search them all the time. Correct, but I will say this. Individuals know the people they surrounded by.  You the one that's creating the team. You the mastermind behind this. So anything that if we succeed, it's your fault. But if we fail, that's also your fault. So the fact that we incarcerated or the fact that we did, that falls on your shoulders. It can't just fall on your shoulders when we rocking out soul out of renails and doing things like that.  But then when somebody done got killed or somebody done got locked up or tragic situation or took place, you didn't have nothing to do with it. Wow, yeah. I look at like you, you wanted those guys that I could talk to about different guys that go back.  He did it started at the youth center. Now he's had to go back and do, I think it was a, was it a 15 or 14 years? 15 years. You know what I mean? Like, like, what do you think about just the one who can't figure it out? Just keep going back and trying to get out of this world and talented and signing the Gucci man. And I still, you know, rock with him or text or put some up, try to figure out ways to link with him. Cause I ain't, you know, I definitely reach out. But what do you think about just his situation and success that he faced? He's another one. It's unfortunate for me to be saying things like No, I have to ask because you know about it. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no. It's just unfortunate for the response I have. Cause my response is the same thing for him. You know, you're not sincere nor are you serious about being successful.  I just don't respect that. The object of the game is to get out the streets, not to continue to go to the streets. If I'm signing the Gucci man, I need to be where Gucci at. Guap, we need to get to the studio. You got a show this week. Let me open up for you. You know, I'm not going to be in the trap sitting down chilling, getting high. Prioritizing, prioritizing your career, understanding the opportunity that you have. Those things are important. Cause you know, they'll be looking at it like, I'm signing the TSM team.   You have a, this man has given you an opportunity to change your life and do something great with it. Now, what you choose to do with it, well, we watch what you did.  I really don't have, I don't really have sympathy in my heart towards individuals who get out of prison. You just did X amount of years. You got X amount of homeboys that I already did. X amount of homeboys that's already in prison. Yet you come right home and you continue the same thing. They told me that if you keep doing the same thing, looking for a different result, it's insanity. So I don't really be having no sympathy or like, I'm hurting. I'd be like, nah, man, you need to, when you get to prison, you need to get enrolled into some classes so you can learn about your thinking patterns. So you can better develop yourself.   I do agree with that.  I'm gonna come out here and do everything good. And when you come out here, you try to do all that, even got signed with whatever. But I also feel that if you don't move from the environment that you were in whenever you got called up, it can also pull you right back into that environment. Not everybody have a strong mental state where they don't succumb back to their environment. They just like all the homeboys there and hanging out doing the same stuff and I'm getting caught up back in the same stuff. So that's one of the reasons why I try to grab them why they in such a vulnerable state as far as being incarcerated. See, when you're incarcerated, you're very vulnerable. So that's my moment and my opportunity to be able to dig into you. So once you're back into society, you back on your feet, you got a few dollars, got a few fans. So it's hard for you to process the information, but see if I give it to you while you're sitting in that cell, yearning for a letter, praying for a visit, hoping and praying that you get out, the information and the game that I'm giving you, it's gonna be more receptive to it. Yeah, and the one thing I noticed about you, you really, really, really take the reform to another level. Jim Jones, you, Jim Jones, something I was gonna ask you, D-1, which he'd been on the show, Jim Jones was called out by D-1 when he went to a sway. And it was about the fact of, they've since then resolved their issues with it, but he called him out on just the lyrics they say in the song versus the work that there are, that how we influence in the youth is pretty much what he was really stemming on. All right, like what are you doing to help when you're telling them one thing and then they go out here and live out their dreams through your lyrics? What do you think about that? If you think it's a real thing or do you? So, and this is just your opinion. Right, so let me say this. Let me first say this about Jim Jones. He's one of the very first entertainers to ever fully support the big reform movement. There have been numerous of times that I've called Jim Jones on the phone and told Jim, look bro, I got two or three partners that just come home from prison. They ain't never left outside the city of Dallas. Man, I want to bring them to New York and show them the big app and show them how big the world is. Jim Jones' response, man, I'm waiting on you, man.  So, I want to make sure that I state that publicly that Jim Jones is one of the very first entertainers to ever fully support the big reform movement. I have taken individuals. So, one of my methods with the big reform movement is about exposure. So, I be wanting to expose guys to New York, Atlanta, Mississippi, Tennessee. You know, we got guys who ain't never left outside the neighborhood. Jim Jones, every time I've reached out to him and told him that, man, I'm gonna be in New York. I want to do X, Y, and Z. His response has always been, come on, let me bro, I got you. Anything I can do to assist you, let me know, I got you. So, when it concerns something like what D1 is saying as far as the lyrics, I respect that because the lyrics they do entice our youth or whatnot. But I also will say this, we putting too much goddamn responsibility on the entertainers. What happened to the mommy and the daddy? Wow. You know, we looking for the teachers to raise the school, to raise the kids in the school. Well, it's the teacher's job to teach the child, not teach the child how to be respectful.  Well, you the mommy and the daddy. So, that's the same thing I feel with the rap. You know, they are rappers. They do have influence. So, yeah, they should be conscious of what they saying and whatnot. And they are held to a certain amount of responsibility. But if I'm gonna be mad at Jim, I know I'm super mad at the mommy and the daddy.  You more mad at the entertainer than you is the family. That's a problem. Wow. That's a major problem. That's real. But you say it is real. If you answer the hell like that, that's one thing I can say is, I know you're telling the truth because it starts at the home. All I'm simply saying is, you know, you can't be mad at Cardi B for how she is. I watched this one time. Cardi B's song or something came on while her daughter was around. And Cardi B had her up and cut the song off. And she received backlash for that. I'm trying to understand Cardi B don't want her daughter listening to this. So if you got your child listening to Cardi B, who fault is that? Cardi's. Cardi make music for entertainers. She's an entertainer. She's, her job is to sell the record, to sell the song.  So it's what she's supposed to do.  Real talk. But how many kids, a lot of times, a lot of kids don't listen to music around their parents. Correct. So a lot of parents don't know what their kids listen to. Correct. You know what I mean? So a lot of times, sometimes, you know, raising children, for me personally, as I got older, before I was react, I had to stop and think back. I'm like, okay, what did I do when I was that age?  But let me ask you this though. You're not holding Cardi B responsible for how your daughter is in life, is you? No.  That ain't Cardi B fault, is that's the only thing that I'm trying to convey to individuals. We're placing the responsibility on the entertainer to raise your child. Right. You know, so I can't put the responsibility on Cardi B, Jim Jones, Meek Meals, Lil' Kiki. They are entertainers. Their talent and their craft is art with their words. That's how they express themselves or whatnot. As far as my child, I want my child to have the ability of knowing right and wrong, sound decision-making.   You know, I don't expect Cardi, that's not her job, that's my job.  You depending on the internet to do it. But at the same time though, I think the main thing from all of that is to teach your child, be careful of what you feed your soul with because the more you digest all of this so-called music, because some people digest all this music more than they digest knowledge. So I'm gonna ask you this once again. It's not there to entertainers fault for that. That's all I'm saying because I hear this so much. These kids growing up, I control what my daughter listen to at my house. I run the house, my daughter don't run nothing. Do you know everything that she listen to? How is your daughter? So my daughter is just three, but I'm saying even if she's 15, 16, obviously I can't control everything my daughter listen to, what she's watching, you know. That's why I'm saying inside the house amongst me and her mother, it's our job to instill morals, values, principles, make sure she understands right from wrong and allow her to make sound solid decisions.   Now my daughter out here shaking her ass cause she fast and she trying to be accepted by her little home girl and she listening to the music and the music is just what's enticing her to go and do it. You know, I'm not gonna hold Cardi B responsible for that.  That's all I'm saying.  You wanna be more conscious of what you put now, but I can't solely put that on their shoulders. And also they see their friends at their age doing it as well. I think that's more of an influence than anything else when they see their friends doing stuff that they wanna also do. That's why it's so important for me.  I don't want you to see your home girl doing something that you wanna do. I want you to do it because that's what you wanted to do. Wow, did you or Aldi, who got out first? I wanna say I got out before Aldi because I've been home 10 years. Aldi ain't been home to you. Okay, I asked you that for a reason. When Aldi came out, he did crowns, he started crowning crazy. Okay, and he did his first day, I love that's probably the best song for me. He got his first day out period. I'm telling you that now he knows this, but I've seen some guys come home and some of the things that they put out music wise, we're talking about quality. I've seen Go Ye Yo, Twisted Black. What are you thinking about the music that you're hearing from them from Twisted Black? So I'm loving the music that I'm hearing from Twisted Black. You can obviously tell that he was incarcerated, you can hear the wisdom, you can hear the knowledge, you can hear the game, you can hear it. You can see it, you can hear it, you can feel it in the music. As far as our other buddy Go Ye Yo, I don't know the homie, but I am deeply saddened and disappointed by the way he shows to come home. Obviously he's super popular, he has a beautiful platform, and that was cool. I was actually anticipating it because everybody talks about it. Everybody was just kind of, I listened to some of his free style, I hadn't listened to none of the music. So I've listened to the music. And the music I've listened to, I'm sadly disappointed. You do all this time in prison only to come home, talk about fo'y, slack, slime, this, that, that, and I'm like, where's the game? Where's the knowledge? You're someone who has real influence on the streets. Which way is you leading the homies? We gotta stop giving the little homies bad game. We have to stop. As you're checking this out, stop giving the little homies bad game. The music that I'm listening to from these individuals, that's bad game you giving the homie. You ain't telling the homie how to be productive, how to be successful. I'm listening to the music. I'm listening to the lyrics. Like I say, I was anticipating it because I've heard so much about the young man. You know he this, he that, you know, cool. Let me hear it, you know. I'm hearing it, I'm like, this what y'all talking about? Wow. This, this, this, okay. I mean, maybe this is just a different generation for me, but I wasn't impressed. I wasn't, I didn't see the hype. Wow, what, what, and I go back to even Honeycomb Brazen and what's the other cat down there in Atlanta that came home? He came home. Man, I fact you with this, like they said, he said something he would never do a song with CMG I mean, because of what happened to dog. What's homie name? Man, that's sad, that's sad, bro. He been quiet too. I ain't really just seen nothing pop back up with Rollo. Rollo, Rollo. That's his name. He been quiet, but I heard that one, one little old video then I kind of didn't know. He's another one. I was disappointed. Wow.  I'd never do a song with such and such because it is that homie, you just come home from prison. How do you walk out of prison? And within 24 hours, you begin to create this type of animosity in this beat. I'm like, I just wasn't feeling the, you know, that's just my personal opinion. I look at it from a standpoint, homie, you supposed to be this big homie, you supposed to be this guy, I don't see it. You know what, I saw what some ignorant foolishness, like I would have never revealed my hands to the public like that only for the blogs to be able to go back and he into it with them and this and this and that like you fresh out of prison, homie, you know, the way you come out from prison speaks volumes about the direction in which you're going. Obviously this is the entertainment industry. So maybe a lot of it is entertainment because I also know homie is Muslim, you know, and anyone that's Muslim, Islam, I know he has a certain level of discipline. He has a certain level of respect. He has a certain level of way of conducting itself.   Born and raised. Trap boy, Freddie. I swear. He just, he went in and did, I seen a picture pop up of him yesterday. What do you hope to see from him coming home? Man, I'm hoping to see Freddie come home way more, way, way more effective and efficient in what he do. Obviously he a superstar. Obviously he got platform, all these things, the kudos. You know, we can't take nothing from him as far as they go. But as far as when he walked out of prison, I'm expecting to see a different Freddie. I'm expecting to see the big homie. I'm expecting to see some knowledge, some wisdom, some games, some insight. I'm expecting to see something outside of a slide ride, drilled, like, I mean, that's all you got in the playbook? Wow. I like the way you, you know, you break down the factor cause that's what you're about reform. That's why. I'm pushing reform. I want individuals to see the skills that you use to thrive in the streets, the skills that you use to thrive on the records. You can take those same skills and thrive in society doing right. Don't let these clowns lie to you how you're thinking we gotta do wrong. It ain't like that mode. This 2024, we got options, baby. We have options. We can get paid without committing no crime and we gonna keep the drill. And we gonna keep the drill. We're gonna talk, well, I wanna talk about just, you know, we talked about a few guys that went and came back. Yeah, let me get that card. You want more? Oh yeah. I can get nothing. Yeah, come on. Turn me up, D. Let me get loose, D. So, we talked about a lot of guys that really was kind of making bonehead decisions. Some of them was doing, some of them you expect some things from. We see when Gucci came home, what did you think about him? Because he hadn't been back, he married, he got two kids now. I wanna talk on that side of it and he's been thriving. Right, so I was actually never a Gucci man fan. When Gucci man came out, I was incarcerated when I came home. I was trying to listen to his music. I couldn't really get a feel for him. But when he came home from prison and I saw the way he came home and the way he was moving, I instantly became a fan. Anyone that can do a 360 turn around degree change is evidence that see Gucci, he got a real game. He got real knowledge, real insight. That's what you call game right there. The way he came home and transitioned and got out the way and got to the money and build some solid around himself and that's a real game right there. So I'm not necessarily a fan of the music, but I am a fan of the man that he's became. Yeah, because he definitely, he lost weight. He stay in the gym, he stay doing his business, taking it and he got married. So those are some diamonds, right? Some things that men strive to do to get that solid foundation, you know what I'm saying?  I've heard a couple of cases, it was a lady. I don't know her name, but she was, they had came up real hard on the internet. I think you know her, she allegedly, she had made a hundred million dollars.  They say it was big cap. So she didn't make that kind of money. And I'm just trying to see, can you make that kind of money in the trucking business the way she explained it? Right. So let me say this, this is my camera. That's it. Let me say this. Everybody's been wanting to know Keej and Bruce's opinion about Kiara, the trucking guru. Boss Talk 101 is where we finna get an exclusive about my thoughts and my opinion about Kiara, the trucking guru.  Every single one of them has laid on her floor at her house. She's paid for flights. She's paid for rooms. She's paid for meals. She's paid for all this out of her pocket. All these individuals who got something negative to say about her. Also, this hot store is out. Right now they gon' approach her. I just wanna get in. I just wanna learn about the dispatch, you know. Cool. She assist you. She bring you in to where you can do a little dispatch once she lets you in. Now you start to see other areas and other things in her operation that she has going on. So now you feel like you're supposed to be entitled to get in even more. Now you want more, now you wanna do more. Now you see that she make an extra 300 over her and she make some extras over her so you feel like you're supposed to have the same thing. That's not the case. Kiara's been in the trucking industry for 20 years. It's impossible for you to think you gon' do in one year what done took her 20 years. She has relationships. She has connections that you don't obviously have. So when it concerns Kiara and what I've heard about, I was disappointed more about the fact that the individuals that it was coming from cause she's helped these people. You know what I'm saying? So she basically is a, let me get this straight. She owns a business that employees a lot of, she employ a lot of truckers and people who work in the trucking industry do she buy trucks, explain it to them. So she owns trucking. She owns trucks. She started out dispatching trucks. She had a dispatch service. She has it to where individuals, she teach you how to dispatch. And people think dispatching is a scam. There is no scam. If you book this load, you get 10% of this load that you book. Where is the scam in that? I have a program and I tell people, just because you take my program, if you don't receive my results, that don't mean I'm a scam because I don't know if you willing to do the work that I'm gon' do. I'ma get up at four o'clock in the morning. I'ma go to New York. I'ma go to Chicago, Tennessee. I'ma do all those things. I'ma do whatever that's needed to be done versus you.   I'm going to go do the load. Why did they come so hard for her on the internet like that? Why did they, what happened? Well, one of the biggest reasons that they come for like that because she has an exotic lifestyle. So individuals see you with that type of lifestyle, they see the way you're living.  You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying she's perfect, that she's made no mistakes, but I can tell you these same very people that they got so much negative to say about her, they still eating off of her right now. The skill that they're using to get money from them, they got it from her. Wow. Man, and like I said, I just wanted to know because I heard her name just went crazy on the internet.   So she got an exotic mouth, you know what I'm saying? And her being the way she is, it brings that type of attention to her. But as far as just want to say she a scam and she a fraud. I mean, if that was the case, why she got all these, she's helped thousands of people. You know what I'm saying? She's helped thousands of people. You know, I see people talking about she got kicked out of mansion. Well, you want the woman to keep paying for something that these people ain't gave her? It's certain things that's supposed to come with this house and they ain't did it and they not doing, you want her to keep paying it.  What she at?  So she can't be too broke. The woman riding around and found them and made backs and rose roses and right now she's in a big old mansion overlooking the lake right now. So while we're so concerned with what she don't got and what she done lost, let's also focus on what she got right now. Wow. Yeah, and she still got trucks moving. She's still in a mansion. She still travel the world.  That's real. I get it, man. Like the one thing you would definitely see how they basically, you know, on this internet it's a thing where they always, they come for you. Have anybody came for you and your reform movement? Let's talk about that. Oh yeah. Let's talk about that. Like, and how do you keep being so resilient, balance it back to nature? You know what I mean? Keep being so added. How do you find that strength? Man, if you hating, I'm popping. That's real. Stay hating. Boy, I just survived 14 calendar years of the jungle. Do you hear me? I got all my teeth. I got my mentality. I got my heart, my pride, my manhood. It's nothing going on in society that's gonna sidetrack me like that. So I've had different good dudes.  He's fake. Yo, this man, I had one dude. I think he was in Atlanta. He was saying, I remember that. You remember that? Yes, I do. The dude going out. Man, this man say that, I think he tried to get on my show too. Yeah. To out you. Yeah, that's cool. But this how you heard him. He say that Bruce, I work in the rail yards. I work out here in the rail yards. These containers ain't moving. You correct. I don't get containers from no rail yards. I work at the ports. I work at the ports. The rates and the numbers, they down. I believe you. I don't get containers from the ports, sir. I've never been inside of a port.  I don't even move containers in them areas, sir. Kydrian Brewster moves empty containers with a tilt bed trailer. I specialize in a tilt bed. The tilt bed is what is the special niche.  So when I'm hearing these accusations from these clowns, I'm kind of like, man, it's impossible for you to know me. Wow. Man, it's impossible for you to know me. All your information, it's not even accurate, not even close. Bro, you said I get containers out of rail yards and depots. Excuse me, rail yards and ports. I've never been to a port. Never been to a rail yard. Never, Brewster Logistics, everyone that's in my program, they have never been inside of a port or rail yard.  Hey, but I'm gonna show you something, man. I'm super successful, man. That's real. I look good. Come on. I'm having a wonderful life. Man, you're supposed to be sitting over there trying to find some flour in my gang. That's real. While you started chasing to find that fault, I'm gonna be steady chasing to get live. While you started hating, I'm steady trying to figure it out. That's it, man. I wanna ask you a couple more questions before I get you off here. One, Mick Mills, and he going through a lot right now. He is? As far as people coming for him about the gay accusations that he did. But he also had some good news a few months back about reform. Okay. About, you know, prison reform and doing some stuff with what he had faced and changing some rules and some regulations and laws with the people he ain't with. Like, what does this talk, what he's doing or do you see him making it through this just fine? He's gonna make it through just fine. The work that they doing up there with the reform that they have going, that can't be denied. This man is getting laws changed.  He getting these people out. Like, man, you can't discredit the work that him and his team is putting for. As far as the accusations with him did it, I concur less what the man got going on in his personal life. You know what I'm saying? I don't even, you know, focus on things. I don't even entertain all that. You know what I'm saying? That's not my business. But as far as the reform and what they got going on upstate, man, they are most definitely bringing about impact up there. Is there any more artists that you've been working with lately?  I'll give a shout out to Yellow Beesie. Yellow Beesie try to rock out with you. Well, me and Yellow are gonna rock out, man. We had an opportunity to go down to the juvenile. You know, in the juveniles, they sentenced them boys to like boot camp, placement centers and stuff like that. So I'm gonna take Lady J, Yellow Beesie. He gonna go up in their uses platform and his influence to rock the youth. That's all. So I really, I respected it because that's one of the first artists up out my city, you know what I'm saying? That's using his platform to push the reform agenda. You know, I get love from all over the country, but it's a different type of- When you get it at home. When you get it at home, you know what I'm saying? I've always been a Yellow fan, man. Always. Yeah, I can't say no. Great, great artist, far as the way that his music was for me and the timing when he was doing his movement, when he had the song with Migos Gucci, man, and all that other stuff. But even before that, when he was trapping designer. To see you link with him and the inner city get to see that. Right.  Right. Not just you, but him as well because I think a lot of times people wanna see that side of him, you know, because in the city, you know, they expect a lot. Yeah, man. Like I say, man, this will be my first time working with Yellow, but like I just thought it was cool that I'm like, damn, homie gonna use his platform to rock the youth. You know, that's what it's about for me, man. I got my own money. I got my own platform. I do my own thing. So I don't necessarily need you for nothing like that.  Hey, man, you can be successful like this, bro. That's hard. You ain't necessarily gotta rob nobody. You ain't gotta sell no dope. You can go make a song. You can go drive a truck. You can go custom her. You can go be a comedian.  You know what I'm saying right now. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. It's crazy like anything that you're doing, you can just monetize it. That's real. You know what I'm saying? No, I just talking to you about the food. Yeah, we have so many different lanes and avenues to produce income that we don't have to go do nothing crazy that's gonna risk our freedom and our lives. You hear me? The old heads, they lie to us. They got the, you gotta stop giving the little homies bad game. That's hard. They got the little homies thinking that they gotta do X, Y, Z to be successful. You is not the big homie. You don't even have a job. Man, but you know, you have a brand now and it's something different. You know what I mean?  Right. As far as where you move the truck and that's a part of the reform. All that stuff is wrapped in a boat and that's, that's boss man Brewster. Yes sir. And that's pretty much what's rolling the whole ball. So you definitely have made a mark in the game, bro. That's a good thing. And thank you so much, bro. Man, I appreciate you because I'm not talking about these books too. Hold on, I got a question. So what's the definition of a big homie anyway? Cause I know you were saying that. Oh, that's an elder statesman. That's someone that can give guidance. That's someone that can give information. That's someone that can prevent you from making the mistakes that they've already made. That's someone that can set you in a different trajectory within your life. That's the big homie. If you somebody who can't do me, all you can do is tell me, hey, go rob them, hit this league, sell this dough, do this, do that. You's a clown to me. You is not the big homie. You is not the big homie. If you're not even the big homie of your own kids, your own kids don't even look up to you and respect you.   You ain't got your own crib. How is you the big homie?  Damn. And it's big homie and OG the same thing? It's the same thing. Just different terminologies because of the generations or whatnot. But they do, I have relinquished them, they rights to be called big homie. Bruce is the big homie. Big reform is the big homie. That's what we doing. Big reform is the big homie. I have relinquished you guys, the rights to be called by your big homie. You is not big homie. You ain't got no job, bro. Damn. Man, let's talk about the books, man. I'm sorry. Big homie been relinquished, man. They been relinquished, they rights, man. Let's talk about these books, man. You got three different books. Have you brought them for us? Yeah, this for the boss, Tom.  This is what a boss is talking. So I want the child to see the game that's being put into the system. So you see this here, this is from the rec yard to the streets. This is a book that is very connected to our penal institution. You go inside of a prison facility, they're gonna be handing you this book right here. You take changes to get out of prison, you will be receiving this book right here. Now, if you notice, you see how, I didn't write no 3, 400 page book. That's what I was noticing when you had them there. I'm like, it ain't no big book, so it shouldn't be discouraging to nobody to pick up and read. It was a reason why I wrote the book like this.  I don't want you to see a book and be so intimidated that you don't even wanna read it. I want you to see something like this. Oh, that ain't nothing, let me read it. But when you're reading, it's that dope. Yeah, it's good dope, good dope. Straight drop, straight drop, straight drop. You hear me? Good dope. That's what this here right here.  Uh-oh, wait a minute, uh-oh. Uh-oh, by the time you get through with this, you're gonna be thinking about your life. Wow. So that's book one. Book one. From the wreck, y'all. Let me see that. From the wreck, y'all. You got to sign it for me too, though. And you know we got to sign it for you. And that's the first one you recommend anybody to read was that one first. That's the very first book that I would recommend, an individual that's coming home from prison, an individual that's in the streets, or an individual that's looking for a new way, a new look. This is most definitely the book that needs to be read. For them kids in the streets who don't need to go to the wreck yard. This is the book that needs to be read. Wow. Now we got another book from the streets to the suites. Okay. This is part two. From the streets to the suites is the elevation. This is where the business took place. This is how I made my first million dollars. This is also how I was able to start traveling. This is where the evolution took place in. This is also the very first time I ever walked away from millions of dollars. Who's that on the front? That's Kidrian Brewster. That's him. That's about to say it. That hasn't grown. That hasn't grown. That's why I'm like, he look different. And clean though. Yes. I'm talking about the suit, suited and booted. I see. So as I stated earlier, man, you know, people think going from the streets to the suites is about money. And I have to tell people, man, it ain't about money with me. It's about experiences. When I was in that prison for them 14 years, I used to sit in there and dream of experiences. I never dreamed of money. Man. The whole time I was in prison, I never dreamed of money. But I did dream of going to Miami and getting on the boat. I did dream of going down to Atlanta and going to go eat some good food. I did dream of going to a Mavericks game and it's the experiences. So going from the streets to the suites is about experiences. This is a book that we outline that detail there and it'll also show the very first time I walked away from millions of dollars. Man, stop playing, man. This book here, and we can get them on Amazon? I swear. Stop playing. You can get these on Amazon. My guy, boss man Brewster's in the building. Yes, sir. Then this third book. So this is Ghazali, the jewel dropper. So this is the guy that I tell y'all. This is the concealer to the big reform movement. While this man was incarcerated, he played a significant role in the evolution of the big reform movement. And the reason I tell people that is because he was able to speak to me from a mental standpoint. In order to get to a certain level of success, you have to have a mental sound decision making, knowing when to do something, when not to do nothing. He just came home from prison. Man, shout out, shout out. Shout out to the jewel dropper. He been home four, five days. He been home. He's adjusting back into society, but this is somebody that you are most definitely seeing. You gonna get him on the show? Yeah, I'm gonna bring him up here. That's what's up. I'm gonna bring him on the show. Listen to me. The jewel dropper is the concealer y'all for the big reform movement. I got to get him on box job. His book is available.  I got to get it on. That says gazales. Gazales, treasure chest. Treasure chest. What does that mean? Oh, I have to ask him that. Wow. But I will say this. He has been to email on numerous units in the state of Texas.  He has that much respect, that much prestige amongst inmates within the Texas population in the prison facility.  It's an honor and it's a privilege to even have him on my team. I got to get him on the show. Because he wouldn't even mess with me when I was in prison. Wow. Yeah, when I was in prison, he ain't want nothing to do with me. He wouldn't even say hi by what's up to me. I went and found him. When I got home and I started doing everything I was doing, I reached back out to him. He didn't even respond.   Beautiful, bro. Beautiful. I wanna ask you one more question before I get you out of here, man. I know Kiki, that's your number one, your best rapper alive. Ain't nothing touching him. Okay, and I had asked a question up in Chicago. A lot of people at the barbershop, a lot of people got mad at me about this. I told him that if Eminem going that booth with Kiki, he gonna have a problem. And then people tried to get at me about it.  In the state of Texas, we talking about Don Key, man. Make sure you let them know that when you get back to where you're going, you come down south and we talking about the Don. Period. Period. Point blank, ain't nothing messing with him. Ah, that's all I need to know. I heard they call him the Jay-Z of the south. I swear. I swear. Amen. Can't stand the rain that's coming too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show you? Yeah, the reason I love Kiki the way I do, his music is conscious. Go listen to it. He gonna give you some game. He gonna show you how to go pick baby up and ride through the south with the top bag, looking good, feeling good, go get some of these, some real player, and show you how to get some money, and show you how to deal with them haters. Just listen to the music, man. The music is so conscious, man. Man, hey man, shout out to Kiki, man. He just left. You was here when he was here. I've seen him up here talking that talk. Man, I had a great time then, and I'm having a great time now, man. Let us know how we can get a hold of your boss, man. Boss man, Brewster, on all platforms. If you're looking for me, I'm not hard to find, either. I'm very easy. And don't let these people scam you. If it ain't got that blue check, it ain't me. Man, stop playing, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It's all love. We love you, bro. Yes, sir. It's been another great segment, but hey, make sure you guys get down here, right here, and look at this next clip. It's about to be crazy. Every subject meant on point, so I know you're gonna love this next clip. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss.


All right, shall we start? Konnichiwa, yoroshiku onegai shimasu. This is the only Japanese like I started yesterday and the two now I don't know how to speak. Thank you for coming to our session in Japanese, so I will say thank you again for coming to our session. Okay, let me introduce myself. My name is Tom and I'm now working for IBM China Cloud Foundry development team and today the three of us we will help to share our experience on deploying Cloud Foundry on OpenStack and There are two other speakers. I want to introduce the first one is Dr. Max and Max is our well-known expert in Cloud Foundry community and the other one is Edward and Edward is now pair programming with me in China in the Cloud Foundry community. So this is the agenda that we want to discuss with you all today and we wanted to divide the agenda into three sections. In the first section, we want to introduce briefly about the Bosch project and how to use Bosch on OpenStack and followed by a demo to deploy Cloud Foundry using Bosch on OpenStack and the second section before the summit we did a survey in the community and we want to show the feedbacks from the developers and the users in the Cloud Foundry and OpenStack community to you all and finally we want to share our lessons learned during our trial on deploying Cloud Foundry on OpenStack. Okay, so let's start. So first thing, what is Bosch? I just want to know how many of you have ever heard or used Bosch before? Would you please raise your hand? Okay, cool. Maybe half of the people here in this room. And Bosch of course is a Cloud Foundry project and the Cloud Foundry as a platform, as a service platform, it can be built based on some infrastructure as a service system such as OpenStack. So when Bosch was born, it was designed and implemented to deploy Cloud Foundry on ice systems such as OpenStack and Bosch, generally speaking, is a release engineering and deployment management tool and in the past the main target for Bosch is to deploy Cloud Foundry on various ice systems such as OpenStack, SoftLayer, AWS, but now the target turns to be more general. Now it's targeting on deploying distributed, large-scale distributed software where in the cloud. Here I just listed one link at the bottom of the page and this is the official website for Bosch. And if you are interested in Bosch, please take a look at this website. And there are many useful resources and the Bosch releases on this website. So as deployment management tool, Bosch uses many new concepts in the deployment area and the most important concept in Bosch world is release. So what is a release? A release is a versioned collection of configuration properties, startup scripts and software source code and all the installation artifacts that will be used to deploy distributed software in the cloud in a reproducible way. So this is the definition for the Bosch release and we can divide a Bosch release into several jobs and each instance of the job for a Bosch release can be deployed in the cloud on a single virtual machine and job can depend on a set of packages, which stands for the software source code or the installation files. And of course a package can depend on another set of the packages. So here we can see an example. The size is not very perfect, but this is a typical Bosch release of Cloud Foundry. And in this folder we can see that there is subfolder named jobs and in this folder it will collect all the necessary job that to be deployed in the cloud. And for each single job we can see the spec of the job and it will show the definition of the job and also a list of the packages here just part of this job. And go back to the top of the the folder we can see that another important subfolder is the packages. And here we listed all the necessary packages that need to deploy Cloud Foundry in this folder and each package will contain a reference to the source source code in this folder and by organized in this way Bosch can deploy the full Cloud Foundry into the cloud like OpenStack. So the second important concept in Bosch is deployment manifest. Deployment manifest is written and provided by the user and in this file, this is a YAML file and in this file it contains two important sections. The first section is will include all the release relevant information such as the jobs, the packages that needed to be deployed in the cloud. This will tell Bosch what to deploy and the second section is the configuration properties of the IS system that Bosch want to deploy this release to into. For example, if we want to deploy Cloud Foundry on to OpenStack system, then we need to configure OpenStack environment relevant information in this section and So for each kind of the IS system, we need to prepare a deployment manifest but the convenient thing that Bosch provide us is we only need to write the deployment manifest for once and then we can replicate the most content of the manifest for each of the IS system and everybody who has this deployment manifest can deploy and manage the deployment in the cloud everywhere. So Bosch itself is distributed software and the two of its most important component is Bosch director and the Bosch agent. So Bosch director is something like the Bosch server or the Bosch center. We use Bosch client to talk to the Bosch director and tell Bosch what to deploy and where to deploy. The Bosch agent resides on the single virtual machine in the underlying IS system and the Bosch agent will communicate with the Bosch director periodically to deploy the jobs and maintain the deployment. So how can Bosch to communicate with the underlying IS system? The right component is the external component cloud provider interface which is short for ECPI. In the past it is called CPI because CPI is part of the core Bosch code, but now we have separated this part from the core Bosch code base. So we call it external cloud provider interface and the Bosch when during the deployment process Bosch need to create and manage the resources in the IS system such as create virtual machines, create volumes, attach disks or manage networks. So all this work are being done through the ECPI component. So this component will try to use OpenStack REST APIs and try to manage and create resources in the IS system. And also the last important component is the stem cell. Actually stem cell is a special VM image in the IS system. This VM image will contain a pre-built Bosch agent inside the image. So each virtual machine that launched based on this stem cell will have a Bosch agent running inside the virtual machine. This will help the Bosch director to communicate with the Bosch agent in the virtual machine. So understand the other concepts. Now we can see how to use Bosch to deploy software on OpenStack. The process is quite simple, only four steps. The first step is to prepare OpenStack environment. This is of course. And the second step is to deploy Bosch itself. As we said before, Bosch itself is distributed software in the cloud and then followed by using Bosch to deploy as a distributed software in the cloud. In our case, we'll be deploying the Cloud Foundry in OpenStack and finally we will verify the installation. So this picture typically summarized the whole process of using Bosch to deploy software in the cloud. For the first step, we need to use a Bosch client tool named Bosch init and prepare a deployment manifest. It's also a YAML file and the Bosch and OpenStack CPI release and use the Bosch init deploy command to help deploy the full Bosch in one single virtual machine in the cloud. So the rectangle here shows all the components of a Bosch and after Bosch is deployed, we can see that then we can use the Bosch CLI, the Bosch client and prepare the Cloud Foundry release, upload to the Bosch director and then use the Bosch director to deploy the full Cloud Foundry into our OpenStack, the right side. And this picture shows the typical topology of the Cloud Foundry deployment in OpenStack. Notice that this is just a prototype and minimized deployment of Cloud Foundry and each rectangle, the blue rectangle here stands for a Cloud Foundry node and each will resize on a virtual machine in the cloud. Knowing that for the production level deployment, we might need multiple nodes for each of the Cloud Foundry node. For example, if you are familiar with Cloud Foundry, all the applications will be running on the DEA node. So in this case, if you want to deploy a production level Cloud Foundry, you need to maybe hundreds of thousands of DEA nodes in your cloud. So this is just a prototype and an example. So now we can see a recorded demo for using Bosch to deploy Cloud Foundry on the OpenStack. We have already uploaded the full demo onto YouTube and in the last page, we have added the link to the video. Okay, so the first step is to deploy Bosch itself, as we said. There's a word named micro Bosch. Micro Bosch means all in one Bosch in one single virtual machine. It means that we deploy all the Bosch components in one single machine. And in this demo, we will use OpenStack Kilo version. But the same process can be used on OpenStack, Icehouse, Juno, Kilo, and Liberty version. First, we have a clean environment, OpenStack environment, no virtual machines. And before the Bosch deployments, we need to prepare several things. The first thing is to provide a new security group. This will define some special part that the virtual machine will open to communicate with the Bosch director. The detailed configuration rules can be read on the Bosch.io website. And second, we need to prepare a key group. And finally, we just need to assign two floating IPs to deploy. One floating IP is to deploy the Bosch and the second floating IP is to deploy the Cloud Foundry. So here, we can see the micro Bosch deployment manifest. We just need to prepare the release information in the manifest to tell Bosch what to deploy first. And as we said, and also the jobs we want to deploy. For the first step, we want to deploy Bosch itself. And finally, we must config the OpenStack relevant properties in the manifest, including the endpoints and all the key names. And after that, we can use Bosch in need tool to deploy Bosch first. This process may compile and install your OpenStack CPI on your local machine and use this CPI to talk to OpenStack environment. Now, the Bosch in need will try to create one virtual machine to deploy Bosch in OpenStack. Okay, so now finished. Then we go back to OpenStack. We can see that there is a new virtual machine created and all the Bosch components now is ready on that virtual machine. So we go back to the console and use Bosch client to target to the Bosch director. Now we can see the detail Bosch director information, the IP that we just, this is the floating IP that we just assigned. And this is the UID of the Bosch director. And now the first step is finished. Then we can see the second step. The second step is after the Bosch is deployed, then we can upload the Cloud Foundry release and deploy Cloud Foundry on OpenStack. It's only one virtual machine, the running micro Bosch. First, we want to upload the stamps out, the VM image onto Bosch director. And Bosch director will try to upload the virtual machine image to the grounds. And then we can upload the Cloud Foundry release. It's a table. Here is lessons learned. The Bosch deployment manifest can be very long, although it's a YAML file. For instance, the Cloud Foundry deployment manifest we used in this demo can contain 2,000 lines of code. So it's not suggested to write the manifest manually. Cloud Foundry community provide a useful tool named the speed to help you generate automatically of the manifest. So what we need to do is just to prepare a YAML file. This file is short to list all the properties needed for Bosch to deploy the Cloud Foundry and then use speed command to generate the manifest. Here we can use this command to generate the full version of Cloud Foundry deployment manifest. And then we set this deployment manifest. Now we deploy the Cloud Foundry on OpenStack. You can see that during the process it will create a lot of virtual machines in OpenStack. Now the process is finished and we go back to the OpenStack console. And we can see that there is a lot of virtual machine created. So now we can target to the Cloud Foundry system and try to push one sample application to verify the installation of Cloud Foundry. This step is just to target to the Cloud Foundry environment. Use Cloud Foundry client. Okay, this is the final step to verify the Cloud Foundry deployment. We all know that for almost all the past system the most simplest way to use past is to push some applications into past. Here in this demo we prepare a Hello Cloud Foundry Ruby web application and we try to push the source code into the Cloud Foundry environment. This is the folder that we put all the source code and then we use the single command cf push. And now we can see that for each of the application deployed in the Cloud Foundry system it will be assigned a unique URL. So we can use this URL to visit the application. Now we can use curl command to pin the application. So the application responded Hello Cloud Foundry. It proved that the application is running in the Cloud Foundry and Cloud Foundry is running on the open stack. Okay, so this is the demo part. Okay, so for the next session I will hand over to Dr. Max. Thank you Tom. So what you just saw was when everything works the reality is it doesn't always work and the reason, well I guess we'll find out some of the problems that we've experienced. But importantly what I want to mention is that all of us participated as part of the Bosch team itself. So we spent time at Pivotal and Tom and Edward even have contributed in the past, I would say six months directly into the Bosch backlog. So they have a lot of experience directly working with Bosch and various other clouds. And what we've always seen and certainly I have also when I was working with the Bosch team last year is that open stack was the problem child. We had IBM of course here because we believe in open stack so we'd love it to be the best cloud. But the reality is it had a lot of issues. And some of it were based on instability of the clouds. We tried various different providers. There's no need to mention their names but including IBM's, you know, clouds and there was always a problem. And every time a new release of open stack would come out there would be even more problems. So what we kind of thought it was maybe we should survey the community and find out also what kind of problem they have. So maybe as part of the survey and as part of our effort to try to get open stack to be the best, we can identify maybe the top problems and then see if we could solve them. So that's kind of the results you're gonna see here. And then after that, my colleague Edward will go over some of our experience directly trying to solve some of those problems. So this survey was done to about, to various communities, so Bosch, CF and then internal groups inside IBM, SAP and various other places. So what you're seeing here is the first time we're releasing the results. So the first thing we ask is, you know, of course we wanna identify who you are if you're responding to the survey. The survey was open so it's not targeted to people. And we found that about 60% of them are operators which is exactly who we're trying to target to the people that are managing Cloud Foundry. Of course we want to make sure that they are familiar with CF because otherwise that particular response may be less interesting. And we found that the vast majority of them were sort of familiar with the different concepts. So that was good. Another problem is of course, because we wanna focus on open stack, we wanted to make sure that the survey responders were familiar with open stack and we could see that about 50% of them felt they were intermediate users. So not newbies, you know, for open stack. And then of course since the whole point of the survey is to try to find out if they experience any problems, it was very interesting to see that no, very little number of them, like 5% experienced no issues. Most of them experienced some issues, some of them saying significant issues. And we've also collected a lot of the responses in terms of what kind of issues which I'll show you a little bit. So of course, you know, what we also wanted to know is if they had to customize open stack to get it running. And about half of them you could see had to make some special customization. Ideally, you would want your cloud to be, you know, out of the box, something like CF which is a complex distributed system should just deploy. Why would you have to customize open stack for a complex system? I thought, oh, we're building a cloud, right? We should be able to deploy those things. So we're finding out that it's not quite there yet. And some of the things we're seeing, as you saw, is that a lot of them are seeing instability in open stack. You remember this complex web that Tom showed you has different components that are pinging each other all the time, right? Because we want the system to be open running. So the VMs have an agent on them, at least the Bosch board, right? That's communicating with the director to find out what it needs to do next. There's a bunch of jobs running on it that are being monitored. So when one goes down, it resorts them. Then you saw there was also the console agent and various other agents. And then there's also the health monitor. So the system is, I wouldn't say it's self-healing, but it's trying to be self-healing. So it's trying the best it can to keep itself open running. So because of that, it is the network to be open running. It needs enough storage. It needs the VMs to be running. So when things go wrong, they kind of restart. But when things go wrong so much, like it becomes unstable, you kind of get stuck. And you have to redo your deployment or restart. And we've seen this multiple times. So this is the pain. So this instability of OpenStack, at least in the various versions in the past, caused us in the community a lot of issues. Another very important issue that we've experienced and that the community has also experienced is issues setting up networking on OpenStack. And I think this is an issue where a lot of people are shaking their heads that other people have experience as well. And I guess with the keynote today, we saw that a lot of focus is being spent on the networking part of OpenStack to make it a little bit better, hopefully, that will be fixed in future versions. But it's definitely a real issue right now. And you could see there is a few other problems, of course, that they've experienced. Finally, we wanted to also figure out what version and most people are actually using newer version. I mean, of course, they would see they're not using much newer than when we did a survey, but you can see most of them are on Juno and Keto. And like the demo we did was on Keto. And of course, another point of interest, we wanted to see, were they just using remotely managed, meaning using big vendors like IBM or HP or SAP to run the OpenStack versus their own local? It turns out that most people are running their own local. I mean, this beauty of OpenStack is you could have it any way you want. And what we saw is that they're mostly doing local management, more than 50% of them. So with that, let me pass to the lessons learned from our experience. So what you saw was the community's experience. And then after that we'll conclude and take some questions. So Edward. Thank you, Max. So OpenStack and Cloud Foundry are both complex platforms. So to keep it simple, we start from a very basic environment. We use the DevStack and very basic tools, Bosch, to deploy Cloud Foundry on the one box. So here all of the work are based on the very basic environment. Here's the summary of our work. We have successfully deployed OpenStack release, including Icehouse, Juno, Kilo, and Liberty OpenStack release. The Cloud Foundry looks at this environment in the CPI level. So from this point of view, I think it's thanks to a component of Fog, which encapsulates the OpenStack API in such a way that it is very stable for Cloud Foundry's Bosch project to consume the API. So we can see the result is very stable and very encouraging us. But we still have some lesson learned. We will cover later. And also a second point is when we deployed the OpenStack environment, we found the configuration that the basic primaries of local accounts is almost the same except the branch name. So it is pretty amazing, I think, at least from this point of view because it is very basic. And last one, I think on the deployment manifest, we didn't make any changes on the deployment manifest for release of OpenStack. So that means it is pretty efficient for us to start this work. And it is very quickly for us to deploy the environment. But the first one is the most difficult one, I think, because you have a lot of configuration problems and a lot of troubleshooting, we will cover later. The first lesson there, I think, you need to prepare a network environment for this box to deploy Cloud Foundry or OpenStack. For Cloud Foundry, we need to launch more than 16 VMs as a basic deployment. It requires the IP, two floating IPs, one floating IP for Director, another floating IP for the Cloud Foundry to use to intact with the outside of the world. And we also need to the static IPs and private dynamic IPs in OpenStack. So here we can see the two YAML files. One is for Director, another is for the Cloud Foundry itself. This network configuration is very basic, but when you go to your cloud, it will become very complex. You have to deal with the full environment. Another lesson there is about disk space. Because this is one box, we didn't find this problem in one box, but we found it on another box because the disk space is not enough. We, I have spent a couple hours to work on that. Finally, I found the one box we used have not enough disk space on the computer, on the normal computer. No, because all of the VM flavors of the Cloud Foundry used has a disk size, which accumulates more than 680 gigs. This is a very basic, minimal requirement for Cloud Foundry. But for this box, it doesn't have so much disk space. So it always reported no valid host that was found. When I get deep into the desktop, I found the problems. The fails the disk filter of the Nova scheduler. Because the Nova scheduler will use the default disk allocation ratio config, which is equal to one. So it is assuming that the disk space requirement will be satisfied, but it is not true. So I changed the primaries of disk allocation ratio to increase the, to allow the overcommit of the disk space, which does work. But for, if you have a more big environment or over stack, this might not grow a problem. And here we also see the quota of tenant. By default, DevStack have defined the very basic quota of each tenant. For example, it only has 10 instances for each tenant. So before starting master, increase the quota of the tenant. For VCPU, we did a simple calculation here. If we have, for Cloud Foundry, we have four small flavors, 10 medium flavors, and one big flavors. So we got 40 VCPU requirements here. So if your Cloud Foundry environment is bigger than this, and you must consider the quota of the VCPU. And for RAM and instance quota, it's the same. This is very basic requirement. And just as Tom has showed, we need to create a script group because Cloud Foundry has a lot of traffic, network traffic between each component. So you must allow the communications between the components. So this is some example of the port you have to allow opened. And this is very interesting why we need internet access. Because we, we use DevStack to install OpenStack from, by putting the source code from GitHub. And so it will install that it will pull the packages also from the internet. So, and also Bosch can be deployed by using the UIL to provide the address of the stem cell or Bosch release. So if you want to use this feature, you must allow the internet connection, the internet access for your OpenStack environment. And another very annoying issue in China, we have a great war. So some of the service are blocked, such as S3. Some of the Bosch stem cell are blocked by S3, by firewall. So it is very tough to deploy, deploy the Cloud Foundry. And the network issue, in the journey of this work, we found a very, we accidentally found this problem. We ran into a very special situation that we have two box. Two box has fully deployed Cloud Foundry and OpenStack. So, but when one box is ready, we deployed a second one, the Bosch director, we blocked, we cannot successfully deployed Bosch director due to the network issue. Because we use these two box in the same network and use the Linux bridge plus flat GHCP. And also we use the same, deploy the manifest, which has the same network IP address configuration. So the two director will conflict and they will, you will see the Bosch CLI will fail to connect the Bosch director due to the IP address, the physical address or the MAC address of the director are inconsistent state because of the LPE package was sent out through the bridge. And it get a two bridge to reply the different MAC address of the, of the, your client, your Bosch CLI.  At last we found this problem and use a different subnet with a different IP range to resolve this problem. So even in such a simple, such a simple environment, you still be careful about the network isolation. So make sure you have a robust network isolation. When the, when your cloud grows, you have to plan how to manage this network. So what's the next? So we have, we will continue trying to deploy Bosch for every new open stack release and continue survey the community's feedback to see where is the problem exists. And also we will come the community to give us feedback. And I think for the community, they should drive more coherence from the perspective of API and the backward compatibility. And also open stack community should engage other communities such as Cloud Foundry to help to resolve these differences. Here is a list of some reference, the Bosch IO official website of Bosch project and the Bosch init tools. There is a very good article to introduce the Bosch project. And also there is a CPI pipeline is online for you to take a look at the project status. The last one is our video. Thank you. But if you do have questions, maybe we can entertain a couple. Maybe the question is how to get started or how is your, let's say from the point of view of operator. How can we quickly get started on Cloud Foundry, for example? So for Bosch community, we have a lot of tools to help the starters. We have a box named the Bosch light to install all the Cloud Foundry nails all in one single virtual machine. So it's a very easy tool to try Cloud Foundry deployment using Bosch, so you can take a look at it. Is that available in the Bosch website? Yeah. Right. That article, there is an article link, you should read it, it's very helpful for you to start. Yeah, Maria with this, so this is very good to start with. Any other questions? Say that again? Yes, of course, yes, of course. Thank you. Well, thank you for coming. Appreciate it. Thank you.