would be a better plan if they were because I think they have you laugh I think that they have very good ideas so I am going to hope that we can defer a decision on the on all three of these projects for 60 days thank you Commissioner Weinders unfortunately I was not able to attend the other meeting that the extra meeting that you all had and I didn't I'd like to check with staff maybe or maybe with y'all I don't understand what this is it looked to me like you were creating a different design district because I see you picked up a lot of most of the of the specification from the design district and if it has to be surrounded by 75% of of SRP and it has to be 100 acres or something there's no other SRP area in the county that that could apply to is it really an issue that we'll have more of these zones other places that's not all I got two more issues as you were where the SRP zoning is found in Research Triangle Park and Travern those are the only two areas that I'm aware of there might be another area I'm not aware of any other area and the application is limited but Mr. Miller is correct someone could come and propose a re-zoning for an SRP but it would have to go through this public hearing process so be that as may if you're talking about existing current zoning locations it's primarily limited to maybe a site near Travern but pretty much RTP commission lines okay so then I'd like to about the city county thing I'd like to have you all clarified maybe confirm I have some questions that you're making a city in the county and how are the services going to be provided will I guess you say you've got your own police department and trash pickup and out there that you do privately right now we are unincorporated Durham county so police protection in RTP as a whole is the sheriff's department what we would envision for this development because of its greater intensity that there would be private security added to the public safety which is Durham Sheriff as far as trash pickup again we would anticipate with the kind of development we have here that would be through private collectors and how can we be sure that I think you only pay Durham county taxes we pay Durham county taxes that is correct so how can we be sure that the city residents will not end up paying for these urban kind of services that this development is going to need the only city service that would be provided to this development would be water and as an out of city area it would pay twice the water rates that an in city development would pay we've got agreements in place that say there won't be too much demand on the sheriff's department again I would there would be a private security to supplement the sheriff's department would provide and the zoning map change part of these three cases that we've got here are going to just the county commissioners but the text amendments, the plan amendments and the UDO will it all go to just the county commissioners? That's correct this is all county only at this time the plan amendment case will go through rectification through the evaluation assessment report next round in 2016 so we really have two separate, we have two UDOs, we have a county UDO and a city UDO well this district would be a county only district what you said okay and then I'm trying to hurry up now you know I was really excited and you know I am proud of Research Triangle I realize that you are responsible for a lot of the character of the region and I eventually want you to be able to keep up with the times and do what you need to do but you know like my colleagues I think I'm not sure we are going to make it the next two months or I wouldn't be in favor of it because I don't get to make the decision but the when I saw those bullet points on your slide about affordability and you are saying mentioned even a percentage commitment you know that sounds really good because I had planned to bring that up of course and I would like to know I think you got 40,000 jobs out there how many of them do you think are held by people who make under 40,000 dollars I'm not sure I could speak to a specific percentage but I can tell you that we feel that there is a sizable percentage of our park that are members of our workforce family who probably make 30, 40 in some cases less and many of them are administrative assistants their security guards, their lab techs for many of them those are the folks who have to commute the farthest we realize that many of them have to live in Charleston and Franklin County because they can't afford to live close in. So part of the way we're thinking about this development is that we want every member of our family to feel a part of this development so we want as we work with individual residential developers to set those kinds of conditions in place just as we would around environmental standards, just as we would around design standards because we do think that's extremely important because I say I think it goes to the commuting issue that is also important to us so while we haven't set specific percentages yet those are certainly the kinds of things that are very important to us as we go forward with this development. Well you know I think that you would really be doing a great thing for the city and county if you could come up with some kind of ordinance something in the ordinance to address this you know and it's not good to when it's something that's important like this that you want to be done to just go on your say so that yes we're good guys and we're going to do this you know I think that's fair I think that's a fair point I think if I could just beg you to think about the fact that first of all it's we are not a typical developer we're not somebody who's going to be here and then disappear we've been around for over 50 years we don't even operate as a developer we operate as a not-for-profit foundation every dollar we make goes back into an endowment that funds good things in our community that's where our money goes doesn't go into our pockets or into a development type of arrangement it's all for the public good we are made up of a board that includes that have been involved in this process that includes the Chancellor from NC State University the Chancellor of Duke University the president of the UNC system the Chancellor of UNC Chapel Hill they include a variety of community leaders we've been engaged for over four and a half years in a community dialogue that have included your county commissioners your city council leaders your chamber of commerce leaders the companies in the park we've invested to date out of our endowment for the first time since 1956 we've spent 20 million dollars to make sure we can get control of this property we've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on plans to get us to this point we've worked in good faith with your staff sharing these thoughts and plans with your county leaders and others as we've worked through this process so we're not we're not here with anything other than the desire to do something special and wonderful for the people of North Carolina and this is an opportunity for us to move and yes we need to move now there is there is a tremendous amount of energy and excitement that has been built around this project there's a lot of money we've put at stake of the endowment of the research triangle foundation we're going to be ready with your support and moving forward we're going to be ready to take this to the county commissioners we know that they've already made commitments in terms of investing in infrastructure and there will be more of that to come we have further investments we're going to make in infrastructure and we're ready to move and we need that support now in order to make that happen I have a couple of specific suggestions that are based on my perception of what this zone is and noticing that you have picked up language from the existing and incorporated into the new district and last night the affordable housing density bonus and the parking incentives were approved and became effective they're now lost we have these incentives for affordable housing and I certainly think that this ordinance should be revised to make references to that so that those affordable housing incentives could be could apply to this district and then beyond that I think we have a lot of concerns that maybe the reason that the density bonus has not worked is that the base density is too high and yet here we are creating base densities in this new district that's pretty similar to the ones that we've all or base intensity I mean not just density I guess and I may not understand all the details of it you know I may have something wrong but I would suggest that I saw a height limit on one of those tables of 300 feet and I think that's what it is downtown that I think that height limit should be reduced to 175 and it could be somebody could get up to 300 and I feet by including affordable housing and the same thing as in there's there's one in your current density as in the cease for residential development in a non-residential zone in the suburban tiers like a density of 12 and you have changed it to up to 20 and I would suggest that we leave that at 12 and the people could get up to 20 if they use the density bonus by including only two units they would get a three they would get six units bonus and they'd be from 12 to 20 so you know those would be kind of easy changes to make and it would and if you could actually have a private developer who use these things and demonstrate that we could get some private investment in affordable housing and of course affordable housing goes is workforce housing you know a teacher with a child or two is under affordable housing so you could be really a star for having this model exciting new program that show that it's possible to have privately funded mixed income housing so thank you Melvin did you have your did you want to comment commissioners with my comments are going to be real brief you know I am the only question I have if what took you so long you know East Durham is close to the research triangle and I have and I can see the potential that it would bring to better East Durham I will vote for this and if given the chance I will vote for it twice thank you okay commissioner thanks Mr. Chair thanks all of you I know it's been a long night you've been here all night waiting for this and I think everyone and I agree this is very exciting you've clearly put a lot of time and energy into it I think what you're hearing are concerns about potential unintended consequences mostly outside of the zone of where you're looking to propose your development and I do understand the interest of saying the time is now and let's move forward but I was thinking back to your four values that you put up as well and collaborative was on there and clearly you've done a lot of collaboration but there's a lot of possibility to voluntarily work with we heard from the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Council we're hearing concerns from planning commissioners even 30 days in the grand scheme of things to get this right to get all the input that's necessary is that something from your perspective that is possible that could really make this the crown jewel and to fit the vision of what you very well laid thank you and I appreciate the question as I said we have we've spent a significant amount of time with county leaders a lot of the input on a number of the issues that have been mentioned here have been with county commissioners who've participated actively in this process and they've helped guide a lot of what you're seeing and with a lot of encouragement from them in terms of the type of development that you're seeing we've taken that we've taken their direction and their intensity we've worked very closely with staff we've created situations where members of this commission could come in advance here participate ask questions I believe even in the case of some of the groups that are here tonight they received copies of this plan months ago and are only now it's very important I think the momentum is right I think the county leaders are anxious to see it the city leaders are anxious to move on it everybody's anxious to get things going I would humbly request sincerely request that we keep the process moving forward and that we can do that tonight Commissioner Gibbs hopefully I'm ready now when this when the research triangle part was first formed nobody was against it in fact everybody that on land out there are now millionaires several times over but that's that's just to set the stage of how it has grown over the years and it is a crown jewel and it is operated independently I'll say any surrounding government it has been supported by research and development and we as Durham Wake and Chapel Hill Orange County has benefited from the reputation of RTP and and I think this and things are kind of it is sort of stagnated I let's use that word but that's what it seems like to me and to me this is a step forward and bring it back to where it was envisioned to be to begin with and any and I can appreciate what what Commissioner Miller's points were earlier there are things that could be looked at, discussed but in my estimation this art and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong I thought this was this zoning request applied only to the research triangle part now anybody else that comes up and wants to make a little part using the same the same formula they're going to have to come before all kinds of boards and commissions and I don't think it's going I don't think it's going to fly this is too good an opportunity to slow it down I'd like to see it move forward and I think I've probably beat this one enough too but I would like to see it move forward any other issues can be worked out and that's that's the end of my comments Commissioner Huff you said that you sent this plan to groups did you send it to the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Commission Mr. Chair and Commissioner Huff point of information in that regard the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Commission and the Durham Open Space and Trails Commission I've had ample and very long standing opportunities to comment on this the proposals before you tonight reviewed an email right before coming in where the this was sent to the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Commission liaison on December 10th which was two or three days after submittal for initial review and there were several other opportunities after that time so it's staff's contention that there was an opportunity for review and comment by those by those boards I do have to say I sit on the development review committee and I have never heard of it I had never heard of it until I walked into your place Mr. Chair if I might repeat myself it was sent to the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee liaison on December 10th 2014 thank you Commissioner Framon just a request you said you've been working on this for four and a half years with folks and I just wanted to know if there were notes available I'd just like to know what's been addressed I mean I'm not aware of the conversations that were taking place in the meetings what questions were asked, what questions weren't asked like just trying to do a little bit more due diligence because it is a lot sure so a master planning process for the larger research triangle park over four and a half years ago at that time and I forget Liz it probably was about how long the process a year may be of master planning 2010 to 2012 was a master planning process that would have included local officials park representation park representatives the entire master plan has been online now for at least three years it's been sent out broadly we did a large public announcement which included government officials and others when we unveiled the master plan once we acquired the park center property we also made a large public announcement about the park center we've been in the site planning exercise for that over a year and a half that has included a variety of meetings as well with park companies government leaders chamber leaders civic leaders from the city and others have participated in that we've had a number of public events included called Archie summits which included large master planning presentations to the community we've opened it's been a very open process and I'd be glad to show you the timeline for all of those different activities and I would say probably about three years ago shortly after I got here we presented in front of the public bodies both city council county commission we also had legislation that had to go before the North Carolina General Assembly all of those issues related to the type of development we wanted were presented in public meetings and reported in the newspapers at that time it's been interesting that I haven't heard any of that alright thank you the chair you want to motion or you want to make a comment yes first of all I'd like to thank you for the opportunity that you created for us recently the commissioners to give us an opportunity come in sit down talk with you ask questions we did so extensively and I'd just like to thank you for that and because we did have an it was an exciting opportunity and I have thought about it long and hard since that meeting and I am going to support this effort okay I'm ready for a motion Mr. Chairman if I may I was just going to just for clarification purposes you have three motions to consider and the order should be the plan amendment first yes the plan amendment first to set the policies then the and you can do however you want but this is what suggested the plan amendment first then the text amendment and then the zoning map change that would be the order Mr. Chairman I disagree with staff without the text amendment you really can't do a plan amendment because you haven't got anything in the zoning code to contemplate so I think the text amendment comes first and so I'd like to make a motion with regard to the text amendment if I may Mr. Chairman I thought he said the plan amendment but that's okay text amendment Mr. Chairman I move that we defer action this text amendment which is TC 14 quadruples ought six for 60 days or until our meeting in October it's moved that we could I get you to continue it versus defer certainly Mr. Chairman I meant continue you're absolutely correct thank you that we continue the text amendment which would be the TC 14 quadruple six and the second by commissioner Huff all those in favor of a continuance which is the 60 day continuance please show their right hand all those in opposition to the continuance please show their right hand okay so the continuance fail five to nine now let me ask staff should we do the plan comp plan text amendment first or the TC 14 first so it's staff's opinion that the comp plan case should go first the text in the the text in the UDO follows the policy guidance of the comp plan so the comp plan is the prominent driver of the policy the text reflects the policy and then the zoning implements the text in the UDO you have the discretion to do it in an alternative order okay that's our recommendation so the chair will entertain a motion on text amendment A150007 Mr. Chairman if I may I believe we were just advised by the Mr. Chairman if I may by staff that their preferred way of proceeding is with the plan amendment so unless the chair objects I move that we send the plan amendment forward with a favorable recommendation however I will vote against it I have a motion from Commissioner Miller that we move forward A150007 do I hear a second I have a second by Commissioner Holler it has to be an affirmative right so he can't add the comment so so A15007 all in favor of moving that forward with Hollenworth yeah with the favorable recommendation so all those in favor of moving that forward with a favorable recommendation show the right hand keep your hands up all those in favor of the motion let me know I'm not showing the right hand all those in opposition please show their right hand so that pass 8 to 6 now the chair will entertain a motion on TC1400 006 Mr. Chairman I move that we send the text the text amendment forward to the board of county commissioners of the favorable recommendation motion by Commissioner Miller that we send TC14006 forward with a favorable recommendation all those can I get a second by Commissioner Huff all those in favor let it be shown by the right hand all those in opposition please show the right hand motion on Z1500018 Mr. Chairman I move that we send the zoning case Z15000 is it 18 forward to the board of county commissioners of the favorable recommendation move by Commissioner Miller second by Commissioner Gibbs that we move forward to the Z1500018 with a favorable recommendation to the county commissioners please let it be known by sure your right hands if you have favor this motion all those in opposition those that are not voting a non vote is a vote in the affirmative so it's still 8-6 8-6 alright so we now have the home occupation TC 15 quadruple 5 thank you very much Michael Stock again with the planning department Texas amendment TC Z150005 is a privately initiated Texas amendment to section 5.4 accessory uses and structures of the unified development ordinance to modify where accessory structures can be located on properties owned by the county council and to more explicitly allow accessory structures to be used for home occupation purposes not zoned role residential just to this has been reviewed by the joint city county planning committee the original draft was a little more extensive where the request was to decide and to the front of the primary structures per and direction from the JCCPC they were more comfortable with just supporting something that was just to decide of the primary structure as long as it was not within the required side yard similarly as permitted in our zoning districts of 2 acres or more and I'm going to get into the meat of the of the request right now so the first part of it is actual new text patterned after the existing text of allowing accessory structures to the front and side of primary structures on properties owned RR if it is 2 acres or more in size again that was the original proposal by the applicant except they would just add include rs20 to that JCCPC said we're only comfortable with side yard and the applicant at that meeting indicated comfort with that the request is only to allow accessory structures to decide to allow accessory structures to decide of primary structure as long as it's not within the side yard it will be limited to the suburban tier and also to the rural tier a correction will need to be made before going to the elected bodies in the draft ordinance it only indicates a suburban tier we will make that correction to include the rural tier also the second part of the change is actually just moving text around there's text that's specific to rural occupations that allows for home occupations to be in accessory structures so it's ambiguous at best as if the accessory structures could be allowed in once if home occupations could be allowed in accessory structures it's not uncommon to somebody to store some home equipment or materials in sheds or have a pottery studio in their own shed it's not an uncommon thing so we are proposing just moving the existing text in a general purpose to be more explicit that it would be allowed it doesn't increase the size limitations it maintains the size limitations for home occupations it just explicitly includes accessory structures and that is basically the extent of the text amendment. If you have any questions the applicant is here to also offer. Thank you Mr. Stock and I have one person signed up to speak Travis Feltz Thank you guys for your time commissioners I know it's late everybody's ready to go I am too so yeah I'm just here to name and address it's Travis Feltz 1911 South Mental Springs Road Carolina just here to see if we can get this pushed along. Okay if anyone else in the audience wishing to speak if not we will close the public hearing and bring it back before the commissioners I have Commissioner Huff Commissioner Miller Commissioner Huff I must say I'm glad to see this but but I have some questions about it because specifically mentioned pottery as an activity that you think would be done in one of these accessory buildings well you may or may not know it but pottery involves a lot of hazardous materials and you have this no hazardous materials can be manufactured stored processed or disposed of on the premises I think that's not okay I was just using it as a general reference I didn't mean to be specifically I apologize for mentioning anything that might have hazardous materials and that there is a permitting process for home occupations that any home occupation person would have to verify and submit that they are not using any hazardous materials so instead you could have said gunsmith I could have said gunsmith or woodworking or whatever I didn't mean to specify but my question is are you going to allow a pottery studio it is the home occupation permit requires the applicant to indicate that no hazardous materials will be used in association with this that is in order to get that permit if there is a complaint we send zoning enforcement out and if there is determination that they are in violation of their home occupation permit they have the opportunity to either rectify the situation or it is removed and they lose their permit is there a list of hazardous materials are there amounts of hazardous materials I mean there are a lot of these occupations there is the hazardous materials are defined in the UEL we're not changing that definition I'm sorry if I missed the point not happy with you Commissioner Villas so I have four questions because I got a little confused because you say you still got a change you want to make the change I've proposed there's two changes so what we want to send to the elected officials tell me which zones RS-20 that's it which tiers suburban and rural which yards only allowed to the side of the property but must be outside of the required side yard not in the front at all where is it is it allowed in the front in the RR but that's current we're not making a change and how many acres minimum of two which is also consistent with the RR thank you any other questions comments chairman I move that we send this text amendment forward with a favorable recommendation motion by commissioner Miller second by commissioner bugsy that we send TC-15 quadruple 5-4 with a favorable recommendation all those in favor raise a right hand okay all those in opposition unanimous vote so it passes 14 is it okay under new business we have the compact neighborhood planning update miss Hannah Jacobs good evening commissioners my name is Hannah Jacobson I'm with the Durham planning department I last came before the commission in March to update you on this project the compact neighborhood planning project and we've been quite busy since then on this project so this is an informational update no action is needed on this item but we wanted to tell you what we've been up to tell you about some issues that have arisen as we've gone out to engage with the public and describe to you what some of the next steps are moving forward with the project as many of you know go triangle is proposing the Durham orange light rail line this is a 17 mile 17 station corridor that would connect an area east of downtown Durham to UNC hospitals the project is scheduled to open in the year 2026 if all goes planned that's still 10 years away and many hurdles to go but we feel that it's not too soon to begin doing some station area planning around these around these light rail stations so this is the framework that we've been working with we envision really a three part initiatives to doing station area planning the first is land use planning which we'll be talking more about this evening there's an infrastructure planning component to station area planning this is a project that we've been working on for some time called the station area strategic infrastructure study it strives to connect areas and neighborhoods to the proposed transit stations to recommend and prioritize what those projects might be there's also affordable housing planning looking at how strategies to achieve the city and counties goal for affordable housing in these areas but the focus I wanted to talk about tonight is our efforts on land use planning and as we think about land use planning we actually have a three step process that we go through the first as we just kind of heard is updating the comprehensive plan that's setting the broad policies so that we know how to move forward the second is updating the unified development ordinance this is often called the text amendment and in this case it would be revising some of the standards of the compact design district that's already in place in the ninth street area today so that it becomes more applicable to other transit stations around the corridor the third step in this land use planning overview is to do zoning map changes but before any of that happens we're looking at those affordable housing strategies and infrastructure strategies to better inform those zoning decisions so hopefully this gives you a broader perspective on the process that we're taking we're very much at the very beginning of that process which is updating the comprehensive plan we're looking to update what the compact neighborhood boundaries are and looking to update policies within the comprehensive plan for those areas a little bit of background on the comprehensive plan I know there's some new members here the comprehensive plan established a system of development tiers beginning with the rural tier on the outer edges these are to better define kind of the policy and regulatory context so there's the rural tier the suburban tier moving in closer to downtown you have an urban tier and finally the downtown tier which is intended to be the most intense district in 2005 there was also a compact neighborhood tier that was created this was created to promote higher intensity development more mixed use areas and more walkable areas that are proposed near the regional transit stations we actually have several of these in place already on the comprehensive plan there's one in 9th street one near Alston avenue one near the medical center there are other things called the suburban transit areas this was intended for a later phase of the regional rail transit system those are in place at Lee village Patterson Place in south square and it's intended that as the plans for the transit become more certain that these areas get refined and be that the future land use map be the most recent current transit proposals that's what this project is proposing to do we're looking at five different areas along the Durham orange light rail corridor one near Lee village one near the Patterson Place station one that looks at both the Martin Luther King Jr and the south square areas one along Irwin road that looks at both the LaSalle station and then two alternative stations to serve the medical center and then finally another one at Alston avenue over the last few months we've done a number of public engagement sessions there were five meetings that were held in April many of which members of the planning commission attended and we really do appreciate that we had over 250 participants at those meetings averaging about 50 per meeting we did an extensive public engagement outreach strategy where we mailed the 4200 letters to property owners we did a listserv blast and we had pretty good media coverage too at that meeting we did an overview presentation of what compact neighborhoods are trying to introduce what our planning process would be moving forward and then we broke up into small groups where members were able to draw boundaries on maps and it was a sense of what areas they believed would be appropriate for compact neighborhoods and what areas they believed should not be appropriate for compact neighborhoods we compiled that information and brought it back to the communities in June at those meetings we had over 160 participants these were done in an open house style in which we could have more one-on-one conversations with people and gave people an opportunity to preview some of what what we thought what our staff recommended boundaries for these districts might be I will add that we're having another meeting that's scheduled for August 25th this is for the Irwin Road Compact neighborhood it'll be from 630 to 8 at the W.I. Patterson Community Center so again you all are invited to attend that meeting as well some of the common issues and concerns we had that we heard throughout the neighborhood sessions there's a lot of confusion about the difference between future land use and zoning and where certain concerns kind of lie so I know that we need to do a better job of explaining what the difference is and painting the picture of the broader context of what the station area planning is that's something that we're going to be working on we also heard a lot of concerns about what impact not only our project would have on property values but what impact the light rail would have on property values and the concerns that we heard ranged throughout the different meetings from people who were concerned that light rail and higher densities would negatively impact their property values to people who feared that it would drive up land prices and drive out some businesses and renters and homeowners so that's a very complicated issue that we do intend to work more on moving forward and in concert with the affordable housing strategies we also heard issues about protecting intact single family neighborhoods and historic districts it's interesting when we were looking at the boundaries that are already adopted on the future land use map we found that a lot of those boundaries included historic districts and single family neighborhoods so this gives us an opportunity to address those boundaries to better protect and preserve those neighborhoods one last slide I know it's been a long night just to talk a little bit about our next steps we're in the midst of preparing draft reports that will get reviewed by the public and eventually by different boards and commissions these can be thought of as a plan amendment staff report on steroids they're going to be a lot more detailed and in depth than what we typically provide we anticipate there to be we'll release those drafts for public comment and we'll have a public engagement we don't know exactly what shape that will take at that point but we do find it we do think it's important to hear again from the community what they think and then after that we'll do informal presentation to planning commission sorry, informal informational presentation to the planning commission before the public hearing in which you all will be asked to vote on something and of course after that it will go to the governing boards I do urge you if you haven't been there yet to visit our website www.durhamnc.gov backslash compact neighborhoods we have all of the information from public meetings at those on the website thank you any questions I have Commissioner Winder Commissioner Miller Commissioner Bexby Commissioner Charles yeah you go I've been concerned about the lack of understanding you know between the compact neighborhood and the compact design district and things and I want to just ask a question I understand that the compact neighborhood is the comprehensive plan and then the design district governs the rules for development for particular properties and I think we've been telling people that we're just setting the boundaries now you will still be able to do everything with your property that until there is a rezoning it's just conceptual are there not some changes though that happen just because of drawing those boundaries we move from the urban tier to the to the compact neighborhood compact neighborhood tier I guess it is and so that means that there does that mean that there is no change in the way the resident the regular residential zones like the RU zones are there no changes in those but there are changes in the non resident residential development in non residential zones commissioner is absolutely correct that there are some changes that occur when you change the tier that are reflected in your development potential we've tried to be upfront about what those changes are and not hide them I would have to refer to some of my colleagues to talk about the specific changes would be within different zoning districts I do know that there are some changes to things such as tree coverage and density for sure but I think Scott can handle this the three main things that the compact tier designation the comp plan would change regulatory would change the regulations for or in non residential districts would require a max maximum setback instead of a minimum setback there would be a by right parking reduction of 20% and the tree coverage would be no longer be tree coverage or buffer requirements between non residential districts there's really no changes to a residentially zoned property in a compact neighborhood just to clarify I think that those changes only come into effect when you are proposing a new development commissioner Miller just a procedural question so you intend to bring these you gave us kind of the procedural course that you expect this to follow you not bringing them all at once you're bringing them one at a time that's correct and then to go back to clarify a little bit about what commission member Launders was asking having a compact tier and having a design district are two different things however you can have both and we have both downtown and at 9th street and we are talking about having both at these sites that you have identified that are already tiers and even a couple of sites that are not currently designated tiers but maybe as a result of this process so you can have a compact neighborhood tier where there isn't an impact on residential property as you just described but if you turn that compact tier into a design district then there would be a dramatic impact on the residential property if that design district followed the same forms and rules that the ones that we've developed up to this point have had and in fact downtown 9th street do diverge a little bit they don't even have the same sub districts they have some of the same sub districts but 9th street has a sub district that downtown does not have so there's lots of moving pieces and it does make it complicated Mr. Chairman if I may I want to say that I've been I came and observed a few of these sessions and was impressed about how difficult it is to explain these things in the time available to people who are uninitiated and how patient and caring the staff has been in listening to what people are saying sometimes from a position of not knowing or understanding very well and then bringing and recognizing some sensitive points and kind of altering course going forward to work with and around and to address those sensitive points like displacement issues which you kind of included in your property values discussion and the historic and single family neighborhood issues all of those which I think are really going to be important for certain of these districts not necessarily all of them this is a tough effort and to do it with good grace is going to require a lot of patients, a lot of knowledge and a fairly strong constitution Commissioner Friedman Commissioner Baxley Thank you Mr. Chair I was just going to echo what Commissioner Miller said I've been to a few of the events and the staff has done an outstanding job they're interesting events, they're very interactive the staff is extremely professional staying late so thanks to all of you for what you've been doing my question was on the very final slide on the next steps can you just give us a sense of I may have missed this, the timing when are we actually going to see an informational presentation when will there be public hearings and everything else? That's always the most difficult question to answer for long term planning projects so I can tell you that we're working very hard to finalize our draft reports to release those for public comment hopefully in October so we're looking to have that public engagement session probably in November and hopefully that would give us enough time depending on what comes out of the public engagement session to present something to you December or early next year Commissioner Gibbs and I will be brief too my comments are going to parallel exactly what the two previous commissioners have said I think the staff has done a very good job those meetings with the residents they were very interesting and I think Commissioner Busby used the word grace and it took a lot of that and I I look forward to the information that the preparation of draft reports that's going to be very valuable going forward for us and for everybody concerned to get a handle on what's involved and that's still going to be the biggest hurdle I think but having said all of that I think the whole staff for this and I want to have the opportunity to wish you a happy birthday thank you not it was yesterday just for the record okay thank you so much Hannah thank you the well the next item on agenda but before I do that we have two new commissioners with us tonight Andre Van and Commissioner Riley welcome aboard Callen Callen Riley yeah okay and welcome aboard I need your email address before you leave you're going to update the roster that'll be great because I printed this yes day four yes not actually Friday okay the other thing the month of September we have elections and we also have board and commission appointments and our meeting falls the day after Labor Day and the planning staff have asked us if we would take the meeting until the next week and we need from tonight to determine which of those dates the 14th through the 19th that would be better best suitable because we need as many people here as possible because of the election and also the board appointments where we're supposed to finalize it too because everybody did not reply what day did we yeah Mr. Chair our preferred date you all have again of course discretion to set your date the only date we've been able to confirm the availability of this facility was September 10th which was later in the same week the Thursday two days after your normal meeting date same time 530 the Durham television formerly DTV8 really appreciates and relies on this programming we want to make sure this facility is available and the 10th was the only date we could guarantee that was the case that also seemed to be good availability from this group but if it needs to be another date we'll work to find you a location so is there anyone that cannot make September 10th I absolutely cannot I have a definite schedule conflict and I will be at the county on that date what day during the weekend I can make any other date but it's just the neighborhood college starts on the 10th and I'm in that class but the 10th is the only other day that we can get this room but the TV is not in the other room disagree with that what does the next month look like how busy good evening Grace Smith here you have four cases tentatively scheduled three reasonings one with an associated plan amendment that's all we have now tentatively the way we do okay so do we have any other option other than going into the next the following week I did check on this room availability and it's available to tent and I knew that a lot of the emails that went back and forth the following week there were a lot of conflicts based on what Pat and I saw on the emails so we came up with the 10th it's the same week as we normally meet I understand there might be some conflicts but we were trying to do the best we could so we have two commissioners that cannot do the 10th but I'm kind of inclined to go on and accept the 10th if that's agreeable with everybody else since the room is available and no other day in that week or the week after it's available for the room so and the chair will entertain a motion to that effect if we have no opposition if there was a day during the week that all of us could meet even if it was in the upstairs or the second floor room I think that would actually be preferable under these unusual circumstances than to lose the input of two commission members who I know take their service very seriously and want to have their attendance records to be as clean as they can be Miss Smith Grace did you check the second floor I checked the second floor for that Tuesday thinking that if we wanted to have our meeting the same day and just move upstairs and I believe it was available because I checked it last week it's kind of a moving target I did reserve this room for the 10th while it was open I went ahead and grabbed it we can look into some other dates if you'd like to do that I think the bottom line is I'm confident we can find you a facility it may not worst case scenario we could use county facilities the second floor we even have a other large conference rooms in the building if the getting 14 members my perception from the email exchanges was it's going to be very very difficult on possible to find a date where all 14 members are available that's certainly your discretion to try to identify that so I'm open for suggestions Miss Chairman yes we've had absentees before and meeting went forward this will be an excuse absent because the date change anyway wouldn't it move it move it I move that we excuse all no no excuse attendees no no move the date for the meeting okay I would like to move that we move the date from the second Tuesday to the 10th of September 2015 same time same place okay do I hear a second to that and those that cannot be here be granted an excuse absence second motion by commissioner second by commissioner huff that we move September meeting to September 10th all in favor of that motion let it be known by sure in the right hand 13-1 okay so our next meeting will be September 10th I have emailed all of you the appointments meeting we will elect a chair and a vice chair and at the conclusion of the election the chair may or may not appoint people to sit on the various back and pedestrian commission the development review board is now the board of adjustments right it's not the development review board has been disbanded so there's no appointment necessary so we don't have a development review board okay okay you are now you had to be reappointed and we have the Durham Chapel Hill work group we have the JCCPC which I currently sit on we have the open spells and trails commission and any other that may be authorized so consider those just send your description of those around and I will send it to you and to the two of you other than that anything else sorry for the question yes ma'am can you nominate people for these positions when they're not here no yes you can you need to talk with them before make sure that they're willing to accept the position make sure they accept or object or object uh yes since the actual college doesn't start until 6 or 630 will any of this be scheduled at the beginning of the meeting the planning commission meeting or is it you're going to do it on the end normally it's done on the end okay I'm just going to say we cannot alter the agenda to do it I'm just trying to be in two places at once oh yeah you're great I know you can do that what's the problem okay again the name spot was left off the comment sheet so if you be sure to write your name on your comment sheet before you turn it in and that's just in case they have questions about your your beautiful writing okay if there's anything else we'll email out the new roster with all 14 members contact information thank you and if you parked in the parking deck Ms. Cole has some tickets to get out and park yes we're currently standing adjourned


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