Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, everyone. And welcome to the It Takes a Community Youth Takeover on IOM, UN Migration, social media channels. My name is Luca Lamarte. I am the head of social media. And greetings from Geneva, Switzerland. I will be one of the hosts today, one of the moderators. We are super happy to have young, proactive, and talented people joining us today to have conversations that can shape the future of migration. Again, this is our live of the It Takes a Community campaign. And you may be wondering what It Takes a Community is. It Takes a Community was launched in partnership with the governments of Canada and also MGACY. I will be introducing Alexandra Sun and other partners. And it's a campaign that aims at celebrating our whole people, regardless of where they are born, can contribute to making our communities to feel like home. This campaign wants to highlight how migrants and host communities are working together to make their communities safer, more productive, more welcoming for the benefits of all. So today we want to share genuine and positive stories. We want to challenge, we want to challenge our ideas. We want to challenge negative stereotypes about migration and we want to include, you know, to have a conversation on how we can create more inclusive communities. Here with me, we have Alexandra, who is the shaping narrative lead from MGCY. Hi Alexandra and she will be introducing us to the Let's Talk migration and then we have lots of amazing guests joining us today on the It Takes a Community Youth Takeover. Over to you Alexandra, how are you? Hi everyone and welcome today to our Youth Takeover It Takes a Community closing. And I'm so happy to be here and also as MGCY Migration to be campaign leaders for the amazing It Takes a Community campaign. And yes, before starting with our amazing speakers, I wanted to talk to you shortly about what our platform Let's Talk Migration is about. We always wanted to start a session, a safe space for people to talk about migration and to truly show how migrants enrich communities. And that is why we created our Let's Talk Migration platform, which is a community for young people to share tools, stories and experiences around migration. And also tips on how to shape narratives, how to create inclusive communities. And I think you see them all on the screen right now because these are some of the amazing people that have joined our community and also our Change the Conversation Challenge, which is a challenge we started to empower young people and young migrants having initiatives on shaping narratives around the world with seed funding and visibility. And these are some of the participants and winners of the Change the Conversation Challenge, which had over 50 applicants from all over the world. And together with judges from IOM, UNICEF, Destination Known, the Government of Canada and Watovoje, a young leader, we have been able to select all of these people today and also have them sharing their stories. So yes, I'll over to you. Yeah, I'll just be asking you some amazing questions today together with Luca. Thank you, Alexandra, and welcome everyone. Welcome Archie, Basilis, Marianna, Nancy, Josh and Stephanie. We are delighted to have you with us today. And why don't we just kick off the live meeting. It would be great for us to learn more about who you are, your story and also your initiatives. Why don't we start with Archie and then we move on to the other guests.  My name is Archie. I am a creative designer by trade and also a fellow migrant. I've lived as a migrant my entire life and this thing that came out of it is what has become and is my podcast, which is I'm a host of called I'm Not From Here. It's about creatives designing their lives and careers in foreign countries. In each conversation, we unpack some of the decisions made emotions felt and also issues faced. And I've received a great number of people who are resonating with this and I hope you do too. So catch you guys on any of the conversations or even listening to the podcast at some point. That's amazing. Thank you Archie. Who wants to go next? Let's go with maybe Josh for Vasiles. Josh, you go first. Hi. Hello, I'm Josh originally from Sri Lanka and now living in the UK. I'm the founder of the icon, which is short for the immigration conversation. We're a group that started this new YouTube channel based in the UK, which is dedicated to engaging with young people on British immigration policy, encouraging and equipping them to discuss and debate these policies in the hope that this would lead to meaningful change in the immigration system. The icon itself is very much a product of conversations, conversations I had with my British born friends about the UK's visa nationality and asylum policies. As a migrant myself, I found that very few young people who are born and raised in this country know what it means to navigate such a complex system and then come and live here. Immigration is such a strongly politicized issue in the UK with highly charged rhetoric on various ends of the political spectrum. And in addition, immigration law is extraordinarily complex with the secondary legislation alone running into over 375,000 words. When you put all of these things together, it makes immigration policy quite an unattractive topic of conversation for young people. And that's where we come in. Our videos on YouTube aim to be fun and informative using films, food, games, books and real life stories to make immigration policy an accessible topic to chat about. In the long term, we'd be really glad if our work in some way contributes to an accountable, transparent and accessible British immigration system that strongly upholds human dignity. That's a very challenging and interesting project that you're running, Josh. That's great. We look forward to hearing from you more later.  Yeah, sure. And following along the lines of Archie and Josh, I'm happy to be here as the representative from Immigrant Lee and kind of like Archie's initiative Immigrant Lee is also a podcast. And as the name suggests, we try to tell the stories of immigrants, children of immigrants and really kind of debunk the myths that exist around people who were not necessarily born in the country where they are. Over the course of almost now 11 seasons, we've tackled topics like statelessness, what it's like to date outside of the community that you grew up in, as well as things that are a bit more personal like food, parenting, relationships, mental health. So yeah, you're welcome to check it out. Please do. Thank you, Stephanie. Vasilis, let's... Sure. Hi, I'm Vasilis. I'm from Greece and I'm a member of the Poskers from Home team. Poskers from Home is a project, or a community rather, that reflects and creates on the theme of home. It was created on October 2016 and since it has developed online and offline into directions as a platform for collaboration and creation, open to all interested in becoming a part of it, and as a non-formal education community for photography. So it intends to connect local communities with people who have experienced their loss of home and the place through either force or voluntary migration, through providing an open space for creativity and belonging and allowing people to connect and share their reflection through creation and art, basically. That's the gist of it anyway. Wow, everyone, everyone really, everyone of you has interesting, has developing interesting ideas and it's really interesting. I look forward to hearing from your activities a little more to see how you are working with communities in Greece. Why don't we hear from Nancy and then over to Mariana and then over back and then again back to Alexandra after the introduction so we can enter the debate and the conversation between the six of you. Nancy. Okay, thank you. And hello, everyone. My name is Nancy. It is very nice to be with you. I am from San Marcos, where my life and I am from the founder and president of the association para el cambio social hotel. I am currently studying international relations and law at the University of the San Carlos de Guatemala. I am a professional boxer, social, social and youth leader. In 2015, my boxing coach, I founded the organization to create projects for children and adolescents and youths in San Marcos department very close to the Mexican border and has a very large group of migrants. This is an alarming situation so we decided to create alternatives for young people. We began with workshops to teach them about their rights. We use creative tools involving young people and boxing here and rowing too so that they could express themselves, learn to develop their leadership and build communities. Nice to be here.  Let's hear from you. Thank you so much for the presentation. First of all, I just would like to address a few words of thanks for the invitation to be present here today on behalf of home. My name is Mariana. I'm from Portugal and I'm also a medical student, the co-founder and current president of home. Home stands for humanity on the move. We are a non-profit association that fights for the rights of forced migrants and for humanity beyond borders, established on values of human dignity, hope, solidarity, inclusion, equality, acceptance and of course empowerment. We are basically a group of students, non-students as well, workers of several areas interested in reaching a global civilization where the dignity of all is recognized above all. A world to which we can all bring our traditions, our values and customs without any kind of fear, stereotypes or labels. A world where differences are perceived as bridges and not walls. And as Audrey Ward says, it's not our differences that divide us but our incapacity to accept them and celebrate them daily. So yeah, thank you so much for the invitation. Thank you Mariana. So we have met all the six youth leaders who are joining us today. Again, welcome for those who are joining now. This is Luca Lamarte of Social Media. Welcome to our It Takes a Community Youth Takeover. For those who are watching on Facebook, LinkedIn and YouTube. We are now going to the core of the conversation today. Migration is, as already shared earlier, it's quite a divisive topic. There are people who love migrants, people who can't stand migrants. There are people who love diverse communities and people who completely dislike diverse communities. And we're here today trying to have a conversation about how we can foster social collision between migrants and host communities and how we can create better, more inclusive societies for the benefits of all. And we understand this is a challenge for everyone, especially now in the wake of COVID-19. I can tell you that in 2020, migrants and other vulnerable communities were often used as scapegoats to blame the spread of COVID-19. And IUM has worked tirelessly with civil society and other partners to fight against increased discrimination, stigma, and also episodes of racism that were targeting migrants. And we don't want to see that widespread even more than it is now. So we are very happy today to have our guests to try to discuss and find ideas that will allow youth and young people from all over the world to fight against these emotions that are pervasive in our societies and also have conversations with people who disagree with them. Having conversations with people who disagree with our worldview is key to finding ways in which we can coexist. And I think it's a privilege for us to have the youth six leaders today. So I will stop talking and I will give the floor to Alexandra who will guide us through the next phase of the conversation. Thank you, Alexandra, over to you. Thank you, Luca, and thank you everyone for sharing your amazing initiatives. I think actually closing on what Mariana just said that they want to build bridges and that's actually exactly what you're trying, all trying to do in your communities, build bridges between migrants and host communities. And I just wanted to ask you all exactly how you're doing that. And I think I'm going to start with RG and Stephanie because you'll both have a podcast. If you would like to share a moment with people where you notice that your initiative is making a change in your communities and bringing people together. Whichever wants to start, go ahead. RG, would you like to start or maybe we could do this together? That might be easier. Go for it. Yeah, we can just kind of bounce off of each other. I'm good with that. Yeah, so Alexandra, do you mind just asking that again? So I correct me if I'm wrong. It was how did we go about like starting or building community? Yeah, exactly. Like when did you notice that your actions are actually changing communities and building community? So I guess like as a New York based podcast, I didn't necessarily say that it was like one instance, but I think one of the ways that I saw impact was the fact that we saw this translation between our online community. So people who we would interview as well as people who would like comment and share a lot of our resources in our episodes alongside with like grassroots movements and grassroots empowerment. So for example, one of the people that we interviewed in a previous season is running for a Sea on City Council. And then seeing the engagement between like our kind of episode with that person in our podcast as well as with like their campaign and kind of the intersection of that, I guess. And like her platform is also very like pro-immigrant rights and it stands on like values that we share like diversity and inclusion and kind of like seeing that sort of synergy was part of maybe an example where I saw, okay, we're actually changing the conversation, if you will. Yeah, totally. I think that's actually a good example of bringing communities together through something. What about you, Archie?  I was actually thinking about this answer today and I have a couple of instances that have come up in my life that I felt it personally. It started off with just me sharing what I want to do. This kind of conversation about immigration is always brushed aside at work. It's kind of put in the dark space and I don't want to say it's necessarily taboo to bring it up, but it's more nobody talks about it because work really continues going on and creativity cannot be stifled in such a constrained environment. That's what I feel at least and I felt like this conversation needed to be brought up. So I started talking about me taking on this endeavor and I got a lot of people who just immediately came up to me within my own sphere saying, oh my God, I've never had the opportunity to talk about this. I've been trying to find ways and that was the first one. And then the second time it was when I posted my first episode about this and people just came up, people I didn't know acquaintances from way far away were just sharing with me their experiences. And then I took the brave step of talking about my own visa journey and how that I'm still going through it. Don't get me wrong, it's still an ongoing battle and it's so hard for me to be creatively or just express myself in a way that's comfortable for me without talking about something that's going on in my own life. And I started talking about it and everyone started sharing their own journeys and their own experiences. And I realized there were so many people resonating and they were just looking for a safe space to talk about it. And that's where I started using Clubhouse as a way to provide that space. I'm still learning through a lot of this. It's fairly new and I just want to give people the same chance that I'm getting of talking about this. And the more I put my story out there, the more people are reaching out to me personally and talking to me about their own stories and wanting to be a part of just this community and build something where they find solace, comfort, as well as maybe some answers they might not have. That's always the case, right? Immigration is such a hard thing to tackle. So I'm going to stop talking because I can go on. But that's where I've seen that community start building up and people start reaching out to me about this. Thank you, Arti. Thank you, Stephanie. You've both actually building a space for people to talk about this, often very hard to talk about issue. Moving on to maybe Nancy and also Vasilis, what are some examples from your initiatives or your activities? How are they building communities and shaping communities? Do you have a moment or an example you want to share about how your initiative has exactly created communities, built in communities, which ever wants to start? Maybe Vasilis and then Nancy can go ahead. Yeah, I can go. So we had a series of workshops called Postgres from Home Northwest which created workshops to combat discrimination in equality. It was implemented with the support from the Ministry of Culture and the NGO Artifactory and photography groups of West and North and Greece. So we invited the participants from groups who experienced social exclusions such as migrants. We had the refugees from nearby camps joining in photography groups and create a series of photos and present them in a public space and then discuss with the audience about their work. And especially in this project, this initiative, the concept of home is something that's ingrained in everyone, migrants or not. So it's a really good, common idea, concept that everybody shares. So that's been very profound in building this community because it's something we all share whether we know or not. Thank you. That is actually a great way of bringing people together on talking about something like such the concept of home, which I think everybody can think of something right now when they hear the word home. Exactly. What about you Nancy? And our initiative called the Somos Migrantes or we are all migrants in English and combines education and sports with social change to create new opportunities for a higher quality of life education and arts, activities and storytelling having a center for youth in the community to say their abilities and leadership and rights. And for many young people, it is difficult because their families have changed and neighbors and have left and many young people want to stay here and go to school. They do not want to migrate and so this initiative helps build community and supports new works to create a dignified life for everyone. And my key for everyone is to create various communities by using your social media to tell your story and people about migration and migration is alright. Thank you. Thank you Nancy. Thank you for using also activities and sports as you said boxing dancing and arts to bring people together. Josh what about you how when did you see that icon was having an impact in the community and kind of building or building community creating more diverse communities. So the icon in itself is an example of a community coming together. We're all people who share a common passion for the cause of improving narratives on migration. We all do various other things during the day day jobs or studies and we're all doing this on a voluntary basis. So that's one way we came together as a community but one example comes to mind. We always aim to use creative ways to talk about immigration. So our first video actually featured a renowned immigration lawyer barrister in the UK talking to children as young as seven years old about British immigration policy using this guy I have right here. So this is I don't know whether you can see him Paddington bear and we were able to talk to these really young kids and an extremely established lawyer talking to these kids about immigration policy and we were pleasantly surprised by the level of engagement. People are like I said earlier quite put off because immigration tends to be quite complex to talk about and the jargon is really difficult to understand. But using media and even characters like Paddington were able to reach out to young kids and to hear them talk about immigration asking this lawyer questions about migration. And to see them at that young age understand what immigration is and what its benefits and challenges was really encouraging for us. Yeah it sounds wow I mean just the way you went about it and the way it actually also work congratulations on that. And before I move on to Mariana I just wanted to remind you all that you can ask questions in the comments if you want to ask something to the speakers and we will move on to them later so just comment your questions and our team will be looking over them. And now over to you Mariana how is humanity on the move creating community and building community. So you know nowadays the world is witnessing such mistreatment of refugees and asylum seekers and the lack of awareness media coverage and efficient policies that exist. It's prejudice basically and hinders education and this joke results in a less receptive community that we have towards refugees and asylum seekers and migrants overall. And also it was in an endless cycle of human rights violations. So that's why we as home we have created the breaking borders through art project that ties arts and human rights together. So we just paired 70 artists with forced migrants around the globe. And this project basically aims to deconstruct prejudice and preconceived notions and creates empathy encourages personal relationships and ultimately manifest stories through arts. And since empathy art and vice versa so art is empathy as well. The project just becomes a product of the deep and meaningful connection between the forced migrants and the artists and art also transcends time space and all kind of human boundaries that we construct. So we invite everyone to think of borders as mirrors that deflect and at the same time we start individual differences as I was talking in the beginning about the differences that we create. So today, actually, we started our virtual exhibition that you can assess through the link on our social media pages. And exhibiting all the generated pieces of art not only stimulates reflection upon the audience, but also becomes a call to action. And I guess that's the most important thing because it takes a community actually to change and to be the change. Thank you. Thank you, Maria. I think that was an amazing also closing word and also the exhibitions you're doing sound great. I also have a question before we go on to the Q&A for all of you and that is what are your tips for young people like yourself that want to create diverse communities? What would you give them on the way from your experience? What are the tips you want to share with them? And yes, we can start with Maria right now like going back. So I guess what we see mostly nowadays is empathy deficits once again.  And we are inserted in such a homogeneous social circle which gets tighter the more we fear risk and become change averse. So we need actually to practice empathy actively. And as we all are human beings and we all have the natural desire to connect with others. I guess the most important thing is to build empathy, considering perspectives of others and opening ourselves to uncomfortable conversations. For example, because this can lead to connections we never imagined and coating Machiavelli. So the reason why there will be no change at all is because the people who tend to lose from that change and hold the power on their hands. So I guess to be poor and to be vulnerable is not having two dollars, two euros per day, but it's actually to be excluded from this productivity and exchange system. So what we need to do is to be the platform to give them the space to feed and not giving a voice for them, but always together with them. And I guess that's the most important thing. And I guess it's also time that forced migrants are giving again the opportunities to create their own narratives. Because humanity, and we as home as our motto, we start where prejudice ends. And when our basic human rights that we are all the time talking about, but are we actually understanding what does it mean to have human rights? That's the question that we should all make. Because when basic human rights fail to be met, I guess we all fail. Thank you, Mariana, for your message. I think that's a very eye-opening and also a very good tip to also start conversations beyond our bubble. Yeah, as I like to call it. So, Josh, what do you think? What tips would you want to share? Just on using myself. Great. I think at the High Con we have three values, which are at the heart of everything we do. If you forget everything I've said, just remember these three things. So there are three R's. First, we're respectful. As respectful of the different opinions people hold, looking to engage with concerns people might have, and recognizing that healthy debate and conversation is the way forward to reshaping these narratives. Our second R is reliability. We aim to be reliable. In this world where the media holds so much sway, we aim to be as nonpartisan as possible and factually accurate with the information that we put out. And our final R is relational. We need to recognize that we're not just talking about facts and figures and numbers, but we're talking about human lives here. Human dignity is so fundamental. And it's a principle that undergirds all our conversations. So respectful, reliable and relational, I think that's the way forward to conversation. Thank you, Josh. I think it's also very good for people to have something to really keep in mind. Nancy, what about you? What are the tips that you would want to share from your initiative to other young people who want to change communities? For everyone, it's to create diverse communities by using your social media to tell your story. And inform people about migration and that migration is right in all the world. I invite young people to get involved in different space, in social space, and remember that you are not alone. Thank you. That's also a very good point of using your own social media and engaging locally as well. Vasidis, what are your tips? Well, inclusion is a key concept. You need to be inclusive of everybody in your community and respect in different customs, cultures, religions. And us, with privilege, should amplify the voices of those who don't, which is a sentiment you hear a lot these days, thankfully. And bring to listen actively to what these people bring to the conversation and create spaces for dialogue and activities that promote humanity instead of hate speech. Thank you. Also using our platform, even if some of you may be watching or not, or do not have any migrant experience but still want to support young migrants, then that's definitely a way to do it. Stephanie, go ahead. I guess my main message for young folks who want to get involved in this kind of work is to just start. You're never too young. I would say that some of the folks that we've worked with before have been in high school and they've been doing amazing things in their local community, as well as the fact that, like, there are, I would like to think that our community is people who are pro-migration.  There are mentors everywhere. And everyone wants to help each other. So just start. Thank you, Stephanie. I want to go ahead. I completely resonate with Stephanie. I swear to God, that's what I did. I just started. I think the game changer for me was sharing stories. I, however you're doing that, wherever you're doing that, the best way to resonate with people is by sharing stories. I have met friends who are citizens of this country and will say I don't understand what you're going through, completely fine. But you can empathize. You can feel what I'm feeling by listening to conversations, doing anything you're doing. It's all fair. So I will say the most powerful thing for me was sharing stories. However you're doing that, whatever platform you're using, please do that. And the tip that I would really say is once you get a community, you still have to keep them engaged. You still have to maintain that relationship. And how you do that is completely up to you. For me, it was reaching out to people who joined newly or connecting with them and just having a conversation. I'm a people person, so it helps. But apart from that, it was like asking questions or having them come and speak on Clubhouse, small things like that, where they feel involved as well and a part of it. Because it's not just me propagating the community, it is your community propagating your community. And you want that to be continuously present. That's at least what I've gone through and some tips that I can provide. Thank you, Archie. And thank you all of you for sharing your tips. And hopefully some of the young people and everyone present will take them with them in their communities. And I've been just looking through the comments and there are some questions for you. So look how do you want to go about it? Should I ask one and then you look over? No, I think maybe in the interest of time, because we've been live for 40 minutes, let's maybe take the best treat for questions. But instead of asking all the guests, maybe one or two can give us a quick reply. And then we'll wrap it up and try to maybe conclude in maybe 15, 20 minutes. So you can select a few questions. Alexander, I think there were a few interesting ones. Perfect. Let me just see. So I have one that's in the direction of how can young people all over the world engage with your communities? And I think I'll just ask, especially the ones having online communities, how can young people engage like Archie, Stephanie, Josh? And I think also, Asilis is also, I mean, all of you are online, but yeah, go ahead, maybe Archie and Stephanie first. How can people engage with your podcast? Well, the simple answer is you can listen to my podcast on hopefully wherever you listen to podcasts. And if it's not found there, DM me and I'll try and get my stuff on there so you can have a platform that you're listening to. It can be on the platform you're listening to. That's the short answer. To partake in conversations and to be a part more of the community, feel free to join us on Clubhouse. There's actually a club there that you can be a part of and I'm still trying to figure it out. But I think that's the best way we can stay connected. And when we stay connected, I will probably hound you. So just really bad answer. But that's how you can engage with us with I'm Not From Here podcast. I actually have a follow-up question. I find the use of Clubhouse. I'm approaching this as an associate media manager. I've been very charmed and fascinated by the use of Clubhouse. I think it was, albeit simple in its execution, it was a game changer in many ways. The idea that what we're doing today can be often not possible if somebody is connecting from a place with low bandwidth and low internet connections. Clubhouse is facilitating live podcast videos and now everyone is copying it. So we'll see if actually the platform survives or if Twitter takes over the realm. But what has your experience been in terms of having inclusive conversation with people who wouldn't normally join these spaces? So I think the best thing about Clubhouse is you get to be put in a hallway with people who are interested in these topics. And the hallway is a place for them to pick a room that you want to get into. Short answer. Now it's hard for me to transition from an Instagram platform to a Clubhouse platform. It is a completely different platform that people need to integrate and be a part of. And that's been a big challenge for me. That being said, once I got on there and I got like five or six people in a room, it started growing. And the longer you're on there, it grows more. At one point we were with 30 people and I host design meetups in real life. Getting 30 people in a room physically is hard. It's not easy. That means 70 odd people would have signed up for you to get half that amount, right? So I see this as a great, like as a good number from my perspective. And the conversation, it takes a little bit for people to open up. But if the people on stage are actively doing that, people get comfortable immediately. And you make it a point to constantly include them just by saying, hey, this is what we're talking about. This is what's been happening so far. Because people get, when you're jumping from room to room, they make decisions in a matter of a couple of seconds. It's similar to Instagram, right? Except here it's rooms. So you want to give them enough to bring them in, make them feel comfortable, answer some of the questions they might have. Give them an opportunity to talk. With the smaller group, it's easier with the larger group where I've been a part of like 100 people or so. Way, way harder. So those are things that I'm facing. I can talk about this forever. So I'm going to stop there. I'm happy to talk to you at some point if you have more questions about Clough House or anything like that. It's just interesting to see how a single platform can revolutionize an online conversation. I don't think anything has been as revolutionary as maybe it's in 2016 or maybe TikTok. But I'm always intrigued by how young people are very quick in adapting to new platforms to advance certain agendas. So I think for you, this is a great opportunity to have people in the room. They're actually having, this is a conversation we discussed with Plan, right? But what I found interesting about Clough House is the fact that most of the conversations are unfiltered. So you really have a chance to get people to disagree with you. And if you can manage to do that in a cordial way, something that's often impossible on social media, then then you have an opportunity really to have cordial conversations with people who might disagree with you, but with whom you could agree to disagree in a civil way, which for social media is already a major achievement. So Archie, what you're doing is extremely interesting and I'd love to hear more about that maybe after this call. Yes. I do want to mention before we jump away, Spotify also just started something new where you can actually record. It's brand new. It's like Spotify Rooms or something like that. So if you're interested, go check it out. It came out like two days ago and I downloaded and I'm playing around with it. Just saying. Telegram as well. In terms of Clough House Revolution. Everyone is jumping on the live podcasting feature. It's particularly young people and the conversations I'm hearing are amazing. I think it's an incredible opportunity for you guys to really be involved out there and have the conversations you don't want to have, but that are needed if we want to create more inclusive societies. So Alexander, over to you for the next question. Yes, of course. Josh or Stephanie, do you want to add something on how you're exactly how people can join you? And then I move on to the next one. Yeah, so I guess similar to Archie, you can find us anywhere where you listen to podcasts. You can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcast, etc. We're also quite active on social media. So Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and we welcome any DMs or messages. If you want to collaborate with us, just send us a message. And even if we can't necessarily feature you on an episode, we're always happy to hold live sessions with other organizations. For example, recently we worked with a Bay Area based NGO that helps immigrant victims of domestic violence. And we helped do like an awareness, we're not helped, but we did a live session with them on how people can get in contact with their organization and work with them. So yeah, please reach out, please connect. Similarly for us, we're on YouTube, that's our primary mode of operation. We recognize a bit of a gap there in terms of lack of content. So you can find us on YouTube, you can look for the icon or the immigration conversation. The best way to follow our content is to hit the subscribe button. I know I'm plugging it in, but there we go. And you can find us on social media as well, so Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, and of course LinkedIn as well. Thank you, Josh. And move on over to Vasily's next. Yeah, go ahead. So yeah, I invite all of you actually, everybody at home, just go to postcardfromhome.eu Then on the top of the site you see create a postcard, you follow the instructions. And then your postcard is created. Then we invite you to do an Instagram takeover for five days, where you can upload your story and along with photos and everything you want. Postcard.com, postcardfromhome.eu, that's the site. Yeah, that's an amazing way to join. I'll ask right away also Vasily's, Magana, Nancy, you're also working very closely with communities, be it to workshops, exhibitions, or also the activities you're doing Nancy with sports and dance. What are the changes or the positive changes that you want to see in your community? I hope you can still hear me. Maybe let's repeat the question. I think your video was a bit shaky. Okay, I'll just repeat the question. Vasily's Nancy and Magana, you're working very closely with communities, be it to your exhibitions, workshops, but also activities with dance and what Nancy is doing with boxing. And people in the comments wanted to know what are the positive changes that you want to see in your community? I guess I can start. So basically last year I was a volunteer in Maria Camp in Lesbos. And I was there for two months. And when I came back, I'm from Portugal. And I just noticed that people were not informed at all about what was happening. And we are talking about millions and millions of people in this situation, displaced people. And so as a whole, our mission was actually to start doing these educational conferences. And that's where we started actually. So I started receiving a lot of invitations to go to universities, to go to primary schools, to kindergarten and so on. And to speak about these issues and to inform and to educate people. And I guess the most positive change that we can see is actually to normalize the fight for human rights. Because it should actually be normal to fight for this. All of us should do the same. Because also when I came back, people tend to tell me, oh, you are so brave to go to Maria Camp and to be there and to face this situation. But that's not true. It should just be normal. And I guess that's the most positive change besides the part of education to be educated, to know about what is happening. And to inform others, of course. Because that's how we deconstruct stereotypes and labels that we put on people. Thank you, Mariana, for sharing your experience. Yeah, go ahead, Luca. I'm just saying, anyone else wants to answer to the same question? Josh, don't... Maybe Nancy? Or Josh, go ahead. Yeah, I think it's important to recognize, like we said, that immigration policy is a politicized issue at the end of the day. And we need politicians also to be plugged into what young people think and what young people are saying. So we are hoping that the work we do will reach their ears and that they will hear what the next generation has to say about these issues. And ultimately, one of the changes we'd like to see is more accountability in the UK, for example, in British Parliament or in government circles. We want integration spoken about more for politicians to be held accountable for the decisions that they make and transparent as well. The whole process needs to be made more transparent so that the average person knows what's going on in immigration policy. And also be able to just straightforwardly sort of follow the news rather than having to go and read to a really complex document or something to understand what's going on in the world of immigration. So those are some of the changes we'd really like to see. That's a very good point you're raising, Josh. And I think probably it's fair to say that throughout the pandemic, young people and the voices of youth have somehow been forgotten by many and didn't carry the weight that perhaps they did decades ago, way before social media was invented. So this is actually a very interesting point that you made. Just as a follow up, what do you think is among young people, this is actually a personal question, what do you think is among people the main sentiment towards migration? Do you think young people are more open to migration or are they more scared of the negative effects of migration? What do you think in your communities? Again, short answers please, but I would be very curious to know what your friends think about the issue, whether they're more open than older siblings or parents or whether you tend to be more progressive on these ideas. This is just a personal question. I actually want to take that. With the pandemic being happened last year, I think there is going to be a shift in the way we are working. We're already working remote, and now you have the ability to work remote from anywhere in the world. And there are companies like Spotify who's put that out and said that you can now be remote from wherever you want in the world. So there is going to be migration even from first world countries. Now a lot of people, a lot of the migrants that we're talking about are coming from second, third world countries, and this might happen now even from first world countries. So there's going to be more of a move towards that in the future. And I see that with friends nearby saying, why can't I just work from Portugal for the next couple of years, or months, or why can't I move to Mexico? Yeah, I have that too. I'm going through that too. So I think we're going to start seeing that move, especially with creatives, at least in my industry. I'm seeing that. I don't know about other industries. So I think there's going to be more of a move. And when first world countries start going through this as well, the conversation is going to get bigger and better. And that's what's going to happen in the upcoming years. This is a great, I think it's an interesting point. I think I would also say that perhaps this will help the media to kind of redefine what the term migrant means because often when we hear the term migrants today, we are often thinking about irregular migrants coming from Libya to Europe or migrant workers going from Bangladesh to the Gulf States. Migration is such a complex phenomenon and many of you are migrants as well. So I think it's our responsibility to really ensure that people do not assign a specific label to migrants. They understand that some migrants are, of course, moving regularly, but they do have human rights and their rights need to be protected. But that young people who are traveling to study elsewhere or a young person who wants to start abroad is a migrant too. And we really need to focus on the positive. I think too often, and maybe this is a mistake we humanitarians have done in the past, too, is that we have associated often the term migrant with people who are vulnerable and people who don't have proactive behaviors towards entrepreneurship, towards all the positive things that make communities what they are. And I really think we need to see a shift in the perception and we need to see the media also helping us in doing that. What do you think about this last reflection that I had? Maybe a couple of you can maybe comment on that and then over to Alexandra to wrap things up and close the session. And if you disagree by all means, disagree. I'd love to hear your honest thoughts about this. I think I can comment. I totally agree with you, Luca, because nowadays, especially on media, on social media, we tend to always see this title like illegal people, illegal migrants and people are not illegal. And we need to clarify this. People are not illegal. And this term doesn't exist. And we all need to keep in mind that more than establish human rights, we need to question ourselves what it means to humanize, to be human. What is human dignity? Because I guess that is what it's missing. And human rights are not static. They are a movement like migrations. And unfortunately, we can't take those rights, those human rights for guaranteed. And especially when we speak about refugees as island seekers, there is a big citizenship gap. And this all stands from mindset and government not having the right priorities for rights. Because even though when we speak about human rights, they are in a line of all interdependent and they are put it in such a hierarchy. So we need to acknowledge the fact that rights also have limits. But for refugees, especially for them, those may not be adjusted. And yeah, that's my point. Thank you, Monica. Anyone else wants to make a comment? I think I totally agree with what you just said in terms of illegal immigrants being a complete misnomer. On the other hand, in talking about sort of corporate migration and more regular roots of migration, we need to be cautious of promoting narratives of good migration and bad migration. Because sort of stereotyping immigrants as skilled or unskilled sometimes that can have real problems. And we saw sort of quite a lot of stories in the media recently in the UK about being a skilled migrant or unskilled migrant and things like that. So I think labels are, they can be powerful. So we need to be really careful with what language we use to talk about migrants. So ultimately, we're talking about people and humans here. It's very important to remember that. That's so true. Thank you for reminding this, Josh. I agree. My comment did not mean to dehumanize any category, but just to highlight the fact that migration is such a complex phenomenon that for us just labeling migrants as more tiny proportion of people who need support should not undermine what all the amazing things that migrants are doing around the world in terms of remittances, in terms of entrepreneurship, and also at the same time, never forget the fact that the irregular migrants that, for instance, are rescued in the Mediterranean or in other places, they are still human beings and their human rights need to be held by institutions and they need to be protected because they are still, as you all said, humans. And that's the most important thing. So I thank you all for these comments. And maybe Alexander, over to you for a couple of last comments and to wrap things up. And then we'll close this session. Yes, totally. I'm just totally agree with everything you said and also very happy that we also discussed the part of the label of migrants and how it actually affects the conversations we're having. And thank you to all of you for being here today, for joining the challenge. We ran and actually being live proof that what young migrants and young people do on migration can actually change conversations and, yes, shape communities and everything you said today, your tips that you've shared, your experiences. I hope they have helped people watching understand how they can start changing their communities, how they can build further. And also, I hope you also still engaged in the campaign we're running to share your community stories to share how you're changing communities. And thank you all of you today for showing how we can do that. And I invite all the people joining to, to still follow the, it takes a community hashtag engage and also, if you want to still keep in touch and learn more about the people here today, the finalists of the change the conversation. Some of the finalists of the conversation challenge, then follow us on let's talk migration on Instagram will, well, over the next months they will be showing more from their initiatives as well so thank you all for joining. I hope I'm still. Yes, thank you very much for joining. Don't forget about it takes a community. I'll just wait a second website if you want to be part of the conversation. And remember that today we might not have changed anyone's mind but change takes time. And what we're seeing with these six young and talented people. You don't have to give up when things get difficult but you just keep pushing until you actually see change in your communities and it makes me makes me really happy to see that you're all doing that you will have a passion for change. And I know that change is not easy. And you may have things you don't like that you see every day but I love to see that you are all pushing to see the change you want in this world so again thank you very much for joining us today. I was very happy to be part of the conversation. And hope we can have another one before the end of the summer you never know. Again, thank you very much have a great morning afternoon and evening. And thank you very much for joining us from IOM and from Alexandra is excellent. I went off. Sorry for the connection I hope you still heard what I said. Thank you very much for joining us and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye. Bye everyone and thank you for joining.


And at the end, we can take further questions and I say further questions because if you think of any questions as we go through the presentation, as Dan says, please enter them into the chat box and we'll pick them up as and when is appropriate. Can we move on to the next slide, please, then? You probably are well aware of it. The open networks project is a major project for the electricity supply industry and it is helping the country deliver net zero carbon. And as I say, the electricity industry has got a very large part to play in this by delivering a smart flexible energy system. Workstream one, if we take one a and one be together and looking at me, the processes and the data that is required to deliver this smart flexible network. Working one a really is looking at more the commercial side of flexibility. We'll hear today so about one be a one be is really about with technical elements that network companies need to develop in order to deliver a smart system and a whole system. It's not distribution and transmission separately. It's the whole system development. So that is the objective of working one be to put in place processes and data exchange between network companies and primarily between transmission and distribution. But also between distribution companies themselves and ID and those and distribution companies. So, as I say, there are five sub products, but as we've seen, that's the way we're going to run through them this morning. And so the focus is on transmission to distribution processes for others as well to support that. And so we'll move on to the, I'll hand over now to to to John and move on to the next slide where John's going to start to talk to you prox two and five. Okay, good morning, everybody. It's John West here. I'm happy for a few years now supporting the the open networks project. This year I'm I'm sort of quite steeped in in the work stream one be and also do a bit of work on work stream to which is more about connection processes and customer information. But less about me more about work stream one be we thought we would start with products to and product five product to picks up the feature energy scenarios and product five is about how we go about identifying network companies go about identifying capacity limitations. So these two products are quite closely linked and we think it's probably good to think about them both together so that we can we can be sort of quite clear about where one product sort of starts and the other. And then and where the other product ends. So the little diagram on the slide at the moment just sort of illustrates at a high level what product to and product five are so. Product two on on on the left hand side it it's about future energy scenarios. It's it considers what those scenarios should be. You know, typically the scenarios that are developed for the. National grid published fares, you know, things like steady progression. It then goes on to think about well within those scenarios which should be the specific forecasts of various elements like. Local technologies or distributed generation different different types of. And then the other part of the scenario. The best part of it is to take those those forecasts of the different elements and turn them into an electricity forecast, which means thinking about well okay. At. At what times or or. Those digger elements likely to be active and how much energy are they likely to require how much electricity are likely to require. So. That's what's in in product to. In product five, then we we take those those forecasts those scenarios and start to sort of apply them to the the actual physical. Networks and start to work out where there may be limitations or constraints going forward. So the. The two blocks on the right hand side, those evaluate network capacity and constraints. And then what product five is also trying to do as well as working out or agreeing ways of identifying those constraints is, is, is putting in place the. Reporting that network companies will use going forward to to. Publish where those constraints are and what those limitations are. So, that's a sort of introduction to product two and product five. We've now got a few slides, which will go into that in a bit more detail. I can see we've got 1. 1 question that's come up from from Graham. In respect of whole system. So, Graham is, is, is, is asking, please reassure me that it, that this is right. From the generator terminals to the end user hence generator losses. Or a relevant consideration. I think that's that's a good definition of whole system. I think what we're doing in. Workstream 1 B is, is much more focused on the networks part of that and, and particularly the, the distribution to. Transmission interfaces and trying to make sure that the data exchange elements, the. Processes there are effective or. That part of the whole system operation. So. I think I agree. With your definition of whole system, but I think work stream 1 B. Is, is more focused into the, the T D elements of that. So, could we go to the next slide, please. Okay. So, the next slide just, just picks up a little bit on whole system future energy scenarios. So, this is an area that is.  Is, is well established and full of state building engagement. Over the last, probably 2 to 3 years distribution companies have started to, to publish future energy scenarios as well.  Pictures are, which, which illustrate their recent 1. So, we've got a, we've got a sort of process, which is starting to mature around the production of future energy scenario documents. What we have in this particular product is, is really. Trying to, to, to build on that and, and, and probably. In, in 2020, the, the. Big areas of focus have been across the distribution. Future energy scenarios and trying to work out how we get. Greater consistency of approach really across those scenarios and. We will come a bit more to that on the slide. But also the, the, the 2nd part is, is sort of working out how. Those distribution. Energy scenarios are produced alongside the, the scenarios and making sure that. There's good consistency there. There's, there's good exchange of information so that they. The distribution scenarios can learn from the first scenario, the TV scenarios and vice versa. There becomes a good sort of flow of information really between. Distribution companies and the national grid so to make all of that happen well. So, it's it's those 2 things that we've been really focusing on this year. Which are, which are done there really is elements 1 and element 2. Developing the more consistent defes is. And improving data exchange so that we get better. There's an anti-fes I should say. I use the term sort of building blocks there. And building blocks are really just the, the different elements of the forecast. This is for the language that we started to use. So it's, it might be a type of generator or, or an amount of each charging or. Some other on the metal component, which goes to make up the, the electricity forecast. And it just gives us a language or a set of things that we can use and start to compare across scenarios in an easier way. The third element there is, is just one that we have on our radar. We're always conscious of the fact that we may need to put in place some code obligations or some license changes to, to try and make these things more permanent going forward. As yet in this sort of area, we haven't seen a need to do this, but we've got our sort of mind open to that. Let's move to the next slide please. So this slide just picks up on, on the distribution phase standardization. And what you can see there is a set of blocks on the, the left hand side. So on, on, on this product, whole system players, as with all of the other products that were streamed one day, there is each of the products has a, has a team, which is sort of sourced from the network company. So in this particular case, it will have representatives from each of the DNOs, also from the TO companies and from the National Grid ESL. And each team is, is, has got a product lead. So in the case of product two, it's a guy called Hadi Kazani who works with SS EN. And Hadi and the team have, have approached product two by sort of this, this part of it by breaking the, the task into those sort of five blocks on the left hand side. So what they've done really to date, they've made pretty good progress really with, with DFS standardization. So they've got a high level framework agreed, which is essentially the, how the scenarios are used, how regional aspects are built in, how the forecasts are done and, and right through to, to publication. They've got a process agreed for beef as standardization, which is, is to some extent about how the beef as sort of interacts with the, the GB phase and how sort of feedback between the two work. The third block there, they've identified the elements that are subject to standardization, which, which is important in terms of getting consistency between the DFS and to some extent with the GB phase. And the fourth block there then is, is that agreed timeline and process for how the DFS is, and this is sort of interact. And you can see the timeline along the bottom, you know, we've got a, essentially, if you go to the middle, you'll see the, the GB phase is published about July of each year. And the plan will be going forward that distribution phase is published around about sort of November, December of each year. So there'll be a sort of five or six month gap between the two. And this will allow a bit of feedback, I guess, really are learning to come from the GB phase into the DFS and then from the DFS is after they're published into the GB phase. And you can see to support that process. There's a couple of touch points which have been agreed around about sort of December and February time where there will be quite a high level of sort of interaction between the ESO and the B&M to make sure that the right sort of things are being projected into the GB phase and DFS going forward to make it work. So there's a timeline that has been agreed to which the never companies will work to going forward. And then the final bit of the final of the five blocks is just thinking about, well, okay, if we do start to see differences between, let's say a regional forecast of something and how that forecast is working in the national GB phase scenarios, we've got a bit of a process developed as to how that gets narrowed down, how the never companies understand that and start to make decisions about whether particular models or sub models that might have in the phase processes need to be updated or changed or made more consistent. So there's a process which tries to keep the GB phase, the DFS is reasonably consistent and tries to make sure that the elements that make up those things get adjusted if they need to be adjusted. So that's product two, DFS. I wasn't going to say anything further on product two but move on to product five now. So if anyone does have any questions on product two just pop them up. So product five then sort of moves on to the right hand side of that earlier slide and thinks about how do capacity shortfalls get identified by never companies and reported. So this is quite a wordy slide I should say this this particular product is led by Jill Williamson who works with electricity northwest limited. And again Jill has a product team that is working on this. So the three objectives that Jill and the team have identified is is to first of all to identify a more consistent or common system of evaluating network capacity which is objective A. And then objective B is sort of putting in place a standard report for our capacity shortfalls or limitations are made known. And objective C then is is once and being done putting in place some monitoring really to to to to understand how that's been done and make sure it's been done in a consistent way and obviously learning from it. So the the just below that that little objective ABC block. There's a there's a little bit on on the there what Jill and the team did in in the early part of the year which was to prepare a report on what network operators are currently doing in the reporting that they do for for network capacity and a report was published on to the open networks were extreme one be sort of web pages back in May. Which goes into some detail on the existing capacity reports that are published by network companies. And I think it showed that there's a lot of different reports but there is a third degree of consistency already in place, particularly where reports are mandated. And it also I think was helpful in it. It showed that you could start to characterize reports in different ways by sort of what parts of the network they cover. What dates cover what scenarios they use that sort of thing and by and large all of all of these reports, you know, there's good reasons for having them that can develop to do particular things. So that that report. Published in May provides a, you know, a bit of a base or Jill and the team to work on. So I think we've got another slide on product five, but I think we've got a couple of comments or questions that have come in, which I'll just pick up on. And Dan will keep you right if I miss any of these hopefully. So, Graham again. GB says, first, what they did your decision to make this top down to be fairs rather than the other way Ryan. Okay. Great points. I. And apologies if it if it sounded like it was top time. I think we, as you might imagine, there was a lot of discussion about this, whether it was top down or or bottom up. And I think we probably ended up in a place where it's a bit of both really the it's meant to be. Top on in the sense of all recognizing that perhaps having the, the four scenarios which are being developed for DB is, is quite a good thing to have in in the, in the defense situation as well so that you can start to make some direct comparisons. But bottom up in recognizing that some of the, the interfacing really between. Distribution companies and let's say local authorities. As an example, we'll probably get much closer to the reality of what's happening in in regionally and therefore it's it's good to. Allow that sort of of understanding to be built into the regional scenarios and find a way of sort of feeding that back up into the. DB scenarios. So that's that's what we're we're trying to do. So I again. I think I would emphasize it. It's not intended to be top down. It's intended to be sort of both ways or a two way flow of information. There's a question from a mirror. Would there be any coordination between the fairs and fairs frameworks, for example, as has introduced you different access with defers adapt any futures changes in this framework. I think that's that's a quick answer. That's that's yes. We're trying to keep the. Consistency or scenarios the same cross and defers. And. So, so, therefore, the, the 4 scenarios, for example, in, in the DB, as we would expect to see in the defense going forward, but that doesn't preclude the defense, let's say. In a particular area. Saying, well, yes, we need we need to produce a further scenario here because there is something that is is more important locally that we need to bring up. So, there's a another question here from Matthew. Age. Objective a what is the capacity need across TD boundary won't be the same as embedded demand generation. What figure for TV TD capacity is decided and how. And how recorded as as formal rights, no tech. For D and O interface currently. Transition from grid podcasting to formula, so specific actually needed. I think that there's there's a lot of. A lot of detail there, which, which I probably sort of can't go into here other than to say. I think the. Identifying network. Capacity needs. Well, probably probably be better done when we go on to the next slide, maybe, maybe do that and you'll get a better sense of it, but it's, it's. Trying to to really work out. Consistency of high profiling is done that sort of thing across network companies. So, so maybe, maybe come back to that after the next slide. Could we go to the next slide please? Yeah. Okay. So. This is what Jill and the team of are currently working on really as a standard report. So they're referring to it as a standard network capacity reports. It's a strong man on the left hand side. You can you can start to see what what the. Report is trying to do. So for the first 10 years. It might be it might show a set of capacity requirements, which it does for every year sort of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And it'll base those on some sort of central forecaster scenario. And then for moving across, then maybe, you know, after the first 10 years, let's say 2030 2035 2040 right out to 2050. It'll produce some information for all of the details scenarios. It'll do that. And there's been a fair bit of discussion about, you know, is this. Just really what does it consider so it's looking at demand. And generation capacity so trying to to identify. Capacity network capacity issues both for generation and demand. And there will be a focus on both. Thermal loading and fault level, but probably not going too much into the detail of. Of voltage at this stage so. Recognizing that it's it's probably going to be a fairly high level before focusing on thermal on fault level. And then in terms of coverage. Focusing on bulk supply points and primary substations with some sort of tabular format used. So. That's what the team is considering at the moment and there's a report in draft, which. Price to capture all of that and what the team will be discussing that. In a bit more detail over the next few meetings of the next month or so before producing a report in in October. So. That's what. The product five team are doing at the moment I should say the other aspect of this really is is there is a lot of overlap with some of the work that does and often are doing at the moment on the. Clean energy package and some of you may be aware of the proposed network development plan. I think there's a lot of overlap or synergy really here between what the standard network capacity report might be and what the. Network development plan report or requirement that that is likely to be placed on network companies going forward will be so we see. Perhaps would potentially this this report sort of filling that need going forward in consistent way. So. That's product five. Can we move on to. Before we do John, there's there's a final question from Charlotte and asking is network capacity also to be broadly aligned for each scenario and specifically around the team and the interface. Do you want to pick that up? Yes, I will try to I think again, I think, but that's probably 1 we need to think about a little bit more in the product team. As part of the detail and 1 to take back, but yes, certainly that that idea of alignment is there that idea of scenarios is there. And that so I think the simple answer is yes, but I think yeah, we probably need to do a bit more detail and exactly how that will look. Okay. Right, I shall pick up product 4, which is looking at data exchange in planning time scales. And at the moment, the, the, the data exchange requirements between T and D are enshrined in the grid code. And they have been relatively unchanged for many years and it's new that they don't really provide enough data exchange to allow us to develop an efficient network as we as we move into this brave new world of smart flexible network. So, product 4, look to look at that data exchange and build on that to say what what actually do we need to do to make sure that we can plan more efficiently with some of the major issues in front of both transmission and distribution companies going forward. So, the 2020 work for this product is really building and carrying forward the work and the 2019 work. What they did in 2019 was to provide a report that said, well, this is the, this is the enhanced requirement for data exchange. Both on distribution companies and on transmission. And, and reports were produced by that by the product and published in January of this year. I say reports, what one of the reports was to detail the enhanced data exchange requirements. The other report was to look at how you would do that. It's fair to say that the enhanced planning data exchange is is quite is exchanging a significantly more amount of data than is currently done. Probably the data is exchanged by exchange of Excel workbooks, which contain all the data to provide models of the network. But the enhanced enhanced data exchange requirements would mean that this will be extremely resource intensive exercise. So, the second report was published in January looked at ways that we could do this, this data exchange in an electronic fashion. By, I think it recommended the, the use of the common information model and to exchange the data as set of models that represent certain, certain demand and generation profiles. I'll come on to that in more detail on the next slide. Well, basically, those reports were done just in January of this year. And the work of this year has been to get those, those proposals or recommendations enshrined into various codes. So I'm leading a green code modification GC 0139, which looks to introduce the enhanced requirement for data exchange and is also considering how we would do that data exchange. So it's looking at how you would mandate an electronic data exchange as well as the new enhanced level of data exchange. But there is a knock on effect than that. Some of the data that the DNOs need to provide to the national grid is not nowadays all in their own gift. A lot of it is held by third parties, whether they, you know, the DNOs on the like, who have a lot of generation connected to their network, which is vital that we understand both from the planning and distribution network, but also planning them the transmission system. So what we identified last year's work was there was a need to strengthen the distribution code requirements to mandate an annual exchange of data, which will feed into the distribution network planning, but also into the green code data exchange. So for that, I'm leading a working group on a distribution code modification. And you can see the number you need title there with DC, RP, MP slash 20 slash oh four. When you get these slides, you'll find that those are links that will take you to the website that will give you far more detail on those modification proposals and intend to go through at this point. Are there any questions here at this point? P5 shows a thermal and fault level capacity. What was the reasoning not also to show voltage limitations? We're getting a bit of feedback somewhere, but I'll just pick that up. So it's a further question on P5. Yeah, as we were talking about the scope of that report. We stuck with thermal and fault level for the moment, recognizing that, you know, there'll be a huge volume really for DNOs with bulk supply points and primaries. And one thing I suppose to learn to walk before we can run, but it was felt that these are, you know, thermal fault level are probably the key ones. It would be good to show voltage, but that might be, I think that's probably a step too far at this stage that might be something that can get added in later. Really, I think it's a transfer to that. If we can move on to the next slide. Which is continuation and talking about product for this really just details the proposed enhancements to the data exchange requirements. We'll be looking at the left hand box first, which details transmission to distribution data exchange. Presently, the data is exchanged at week 42, where national green ESO provide DNOs with models or models. Depending on which company it is that represent a maximum demand maximum fault panel scenario. So what we're proposing going forward is that grid will provide probably different points in the year, not just week 42. And you understand that this is ongoing work at the moment. It's felt that they provide some of this data all in one go with one meter data being out of date. But also would lead to a large amount of work for people all at one time and not spend the work throughout the year. So I think we're heading towards national grid providing DNOs data throughout the year. And that would come as a single switch level model that represents the following scenarios and demand and generation dispatch. And so we'd have a model that represents and this is in addition to the maximum fault level scenario. We would have a model that represents the transmission system at the time of national peak at the time of summer minimum. At the time of solar peak and GSP minimum demand. And then there would then be a further two models that would represent a high power flow north to south and a low power flow scenario on the transmission system. On the distribution system or distributions transmission data exchange on the right hand side. At the moment, we provide data at both week 42 and week 50. And that's both structural system data presented in the former and one of spreadsheets again. The proposal is really to align the system data and requirements with the statement of works requirements. And so that will include full details of the sun transmission network and any connections directly to that sun transmission network. Whether those connections be to a dno or an idea no owned piece of network. So you can see here we're touching on again the requirement for idea those to provide detail where they have such large connections to a distribution. It also includes the details of any distribution energy resource connections that are bigger than one megawatt. So it's very basic details, but it's where it's connected the size of that connection and the type of energy and fuel source that that will. That that is and that will align with the requirements of the reason to choose a change proposal 350 which requires distribution network companies that that means both. The no's and idea no's to publish all the connection data above one megawatt. So there's an alignment here between the to the exchange and also what what has to be published in an open forum. And they'll also be details of the connections that are not a great one megawatt and I'm not expecting to be connected. Well, this is given a little bit more of a forward view of what likely is likely to be the stresses on on the the transmission system caused by distribution generation and the like on the distribution. We'll also be exchanging aggregated fuel type data for the connections less than one megawatt. So what that will be is for in the typical distribution network where you've got grid supply points and then the next level down is bulk supply points. We will be providing the aggregated and the connected to that part of the network, but we'll disaggregate that by fuel type. And what we'll also be providing is the impact of all this will be above one and below one megawatt generation will be providing the impact on system demand and fault flow on system demand and fault flow. I think the question is there a plan to publish distribution connected and many capacity individually. Unit type. I'm assuming. Yes, there is. There is currently a requirement to publish and all embedded the above one megawatt that has been mandated by the introduction. I think it's fair to say that anything that we are looking to do in this with the decode modification and the the grid code modifications. Part of that work will be looking to see how we fulfill the requirements and to publish data more openly. And the best way to do that. So that might be publishing CIM models. And that is open to base at the moment. We're certainly looking to make all this data freely available bearing in mind any confidentiality requirements. And Graham's asked a question aggregated less or megawatt the will be an ideal also provide to yourself accepted as well as connected for this category. At this stage, that hasn't been the intention. It's quite a fast moving picture if all less than one megawatt. So what we what we do do is provide that. And as I say, we give an updated view when we have the statement of work process. So when we're applying for a statement of works one new corrected generation, we would update grid on the actual position for less than one megawatt. But at the moment it's not anticipated that accepted world will be published at that stage. Okay, that was all I had to say on product for if there's any more questions and drop them in. If not, I'll just plow straight on to look at product one, which is looking at cold system investment planning. Essentially miss this product is building on the work of primarily products to and for IE. We're looking at whole system requirements based on the forecasting that we're doing for the demand and generation and using the data and the enhanced data exchange that we're proposing for. And it's this product is looking at developing a process that will will deliver the best whole system solution. And that would be looking at whether the best solution might be a, let's take for example, a transmission system issue. The best solution might be a transmission network reinforcement solution. It could be a reinforcement to a DNL network, which would provide support to the transmission system. It could be transmission connected flexibility or it could be DNL connected flexibility. So we're looking at processes that will encourage the submission of different solutions and also the way that those solutions are considered against each other in an equitable fashion. So we've been market testing that some of the processes that we've developed as you can see on the flow diagram on the left. We've been marking testing those through a couple of projects that NGSL are developing at the moment. They're high volts pathfinder projects. One is in the Merzy region and one is in the Pennine region. So we're National Green have sought solutions from the transmission owner. It's sought solutions in saying the Pennine one from both electricity northwest and from Northern Power Grid to the high volts problems in that area. And they're also going out to market to invite flexible solutions. And it could be that the solution is not just one of those different reinforcement or flexibility solution. It could be a combination. So what we've been doing is developing a whole system CVA, which will allow us to identify which is the best whole system solution. And also we've been investigating them and working with off-gem to look at funding, the line of funding issues. It's quite clear how if the solution is a transmission owner solution, how that's funded, not quite so clear at the moment how if it was a distribution solution, how that will be funded. And so we've been working with off-gem to see what would be the way forward and hopefully introducing new funding routes that will be applicable from the Rio ED2 period. Right, I just noticed a question come up there from Matthew Page. Does this include whole system, most economic connection solutions for a given user, not just for wider reinforcement, i.e. user could connect to D, but it's cheaper overall to connect to D. We are looking, I'm trying to understand exactly what you're driving at with that question. But if the connection is cheaper overall to D, that is anticipated, but that will come out in, if any flexibility is looking to connect to either the TOD, then we would anticipate that the most economic solution will come by the flexibility provided understanding the connection costs to them of connecting to TOD and that will be reflected in their costs. I hope that answers your question. If not, please come back to me on that one. Any further questions? If not, I will probably hand over now to John. Yeah, let's move on. Yeah, okay. This is product three, which is real-time data exchange and forecasting. So this picks up really short-term, sort of real-time data transfers. It's looking at a number of different activities, such as the operational intertripping of distributed resources, how service conflicts are managed, how a connect and manage situation might operate. So that's where there might be sort of limited network capacity and you're trying to make the best use of that. And also, we're starting to do a bit of work into operational forecasting. So I've been supporting the team here that has been set up to do product three. It will be going forward. It'll be Ali Amidi from UKPN who will lead this area. So you can see along the bottom there, there's just a timeline of some of the things that some of the outputs. So there was a fairly comprehensive reports of the 2019 work, which was published back in January. And a month or so ago, we published a report into operational tripping schemes, which I'll come on to in the next slide. And then there's a bit more work towards the end of the year. So we could move to the next slide, please. So just on operational tripping schemes. So what, first of all, really what operational tripping schemes are, they're about trying to help manage flows on the transmission efforts, primarily at the moment. So it's looking where there might be an overload following a system fault or outage condition where if you can trip some generation and that generation may be transmission connected or could be distribution connected, then you can manage down the overload. And what that lets you do is make better use of the transmission capacity and ultimately connect and operate more generation of demand. So this particular area has been sort of drawing on three operational tripping schemes, which have been developed by National Grid ESO and NGET with the 3DNOs that you can see there, the ESFZN and UKPN to help manage flows along and into the sort of south coast transmission system. So the reports covers the sort of functional design of those operational tripping schemes. And it goes into the data exchange requirements at a reasonable level. And in those particular schemes at the moment, they're being developed. The UKPN scheme should, one that's been developed with National Grid, should go live around September, October of this year. So at some point over the next month or two. And the other two schemes will sort of follow in 2021. So you can see a bit of the sort of architecture there for the UKPN scheme. The schemes tend to be sort of built from the DNO side, built as extensions to the distribution management systems in the case of WPD and UKPN. They're taking their power on systems and building extra functionality into those to enable the distributed resources to be managed back when needed. And in the case of SSEN, they're putting in place, they're building the operational tripping functionality into the southwest active network management scheme that they're developing and installing at the moment. So there's a lot of how the distribution management systems work. There's then also the secure links, the so-called ICCP or Inter-Controlled Centre Protocol links from control centre to control centre, which are needed to exchange information as to what generation might be available to be, to be tripped or reduced. And how much generation, let's say the NGESO might want to call on a bit of co-time. So these three schemes are being developed and put in place. There will, across them, there should be about sort of 1500 to 1800 megawatts of VR, which will be available. So if you go to the next slide on this, apologies, we're sort of running over a few minutes. This just sort of outlines some of the further work that we're doing in product three. So the operational tripping scheme report will update that again in November after we've got some experience of the EKPN scheme going live and some further development experience of the other two schemes. There is also work going on in the Connect and Manage and Service Conflict Management space, which will primarily draw on the so-called regional development programme that National Grid, ESO and EKPN are working on. And there's quite a lot of work that's already been done in that space, but at the moment the focus is more on the commercial side and sort of working out the commercial framework for other services would be used. And then the other area which is sort of mentioned there on the slide is operational forecasting work. So it's looking at how the ESO goes about doing its forecasting and also how DNOs go about doing their forecasting, sort of looking at what sort of learning can be sort of exchanged between the different parties here. And obviously with the view to improving the quality of forecasts and allowing sort of better information to be exchanged perhaps on embedded generation views, that sort of thing. So there is another area of work here which I'll just mention really, which is looking at data transfers really to improve network management under emergency conditions. So I think we're recognising and some of you may have seen an off-gen call for evidence on EG visibility which sort of follows the 9th of August event last year. And I think we're picking up on some aspects of that in this particular product as well, sort of starting to consider how information on super good transformer close or frequency or distributed generation can be made more available really between TND so that those sort of emergency situations can be better managed. So with time in mind, I'll call it there and maybe we'll go to the final slide and any sort of final questions. You want to pick this one up Ian? Yeah, if there's any further questions, we're probably up, we're slightly over time and we're probably up five minutes if you want to submit them now. For further information on the Workstream 1B products, you can go click on that link there and that will take you to all the products and all the reports that John and I have been discussing this morning. And if you want to have more detailed information, you can contact the open networks at that address below. Okay, thanks. I would also say, I mean, this is the first time we've, I mean, we're doing this particular webinar really at because of some feedback that we got, I think on one of the earlier the ID consultations. I think it would be good to know whether this sort of thing is a useful way of getting information across to people in an easy way. So any feedback you have on that would be really helpful. And indeed, whether there's any of the particular products, maybe you would want us to think about doing a deeper dive into as well. Do you have any final questions, Dan? I can't see any come in. So unless there's anything else from you guys, just from me to say that we'll send the recording and the slides around to everyone that registered. So feel free to send them around to people you might think would be interested. I've got one more. I'm sort of promoting another bit of open networks work here. I think there would be, there were one or two questions there on getting visibility of distributed resources going to a megawatt and maybe below a megawatt. And one of the other products that we have in Workstream 2 is looking at, we're starting to do some work just looking at the value to stakeholders to customers of maybe moving those embedded capacity registers below one megawatt. And I think it would be really helpful to us if we had input from stakeholders or views coming back to open networks about how that might be useful and where it might be useful. It would help us to form our thoughts on that because it's an area that we haven't made any decisions on yet. Okay. Great. Thanks Sean. And thanks everyone for dialing in. We'll send around the recording and the slides shortly. Thank you very much everyone. Have a good morning. Thank you everybody. Thank you.