Okay, yes we do. Okay, so let's go around the table and introduce everybody. Chong, do you want to start? We'll go this way and it'll be easy. My name's Chong and I'm an observer. So there's a gas. Excuse me. See, Chong, can you tell me your last name? Kim, K-I-M. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Oh, my name's Ronan, and I'm going to sit down on the board for a while here.  I'm Jeanine Tarrant, I'm one of the senior advisory board. Jeanangestad, director of engineering services for the City of Illinois. Cool. Caroline Michael, civil engineer of the City of Illinois. Brandy Queen, staff here at the senior center. Jeff Frieser, I am filling in as acting manager until we can get somebody hired. And I'm the director of recreation, golf, library, and culture. Marshall Martin, I'm the city council liaison to this board. Putin's foreign secretary. Janey Beckett, just here. Two and a half days, or not even two and a half days. Just starting on Monday, so I'm the new senior recreation program. Super basic. Okay. Art King Donna, board member. Susan Allen, board member for four years. All right. Welcome everybody, I'm glad you could all be here. Let's go to the minutes of the last meeting. And I didn't have a chance last name, but you do now. I do now, so I can correct us. That's wonderful. Any corrections, changes, questions to the minutes? I think we're good to go on that, Curtis. Thank you. I have the signature page if you could both sign that before we leave. Okay. You can make sure we do that really well. Okay, so since Mayor Peck is, oh, wow. I bet you're the one there, Julie. Julie is another board member. So I'd like to ask her, Mayor Peck, if she has some vision as far as seniors in Longmont and what you expect and whatever, and believe 15, 20 minutes for maybe some questions back and forth, and then we'll move on to Carolyn. Okay. Excuse me, should we have a motion to approve the minutes? Yes, we should. Motion to approve the minutes. So moved. Anybody seconds? Second. Okay, everybody died. Okay, thanks. And then I did receive a couple of questions that I forward to the mayor for her to talk about today also. Great. Thank you. And then I asked Jeff, what is it you particularly want me to address? And he said, what is the city doing or can we be involved with HOAs as far as encouraging them to create a sustainable homeowner associations? So I actually sent this to our legal department and I haven't gotten a response yet, but I will forward it to you when I do. But my gut feeling is that doing anything to electrify a home within HOA, it probably has to be with their covenants and each HOA is different in those covenants and so one answer probably isn't going to cover everybody. HOAs are their own government entity and once they're formed, the city really doesn't have much that they can do within that HOA. So however, I did pull out in case the answer is you can do whatever you want to your home if you live in an HOA. I did print out some places that you can go for rebates on things like heat pumps and water heaters, etc. I only have 10 copies so I will let whoever wants to pass them out to you. The other thing was that you had the same question as it relates to transportation and what can seniors do for ultimate modes of transportation? How can you get around? And there are several things which I also put in this paper. We have Longmont free ride program and you can take that at the bus anywhere in Longmont. The RTD offers Fletch Ride which is a door-to-door service that you can call and drop you off. And some of you may have used these, I don't know if you have. We also have Accessor Ride which is also through RTD and via mobility services which handles it's also door-to-door but the main thing that Via does is for disabled people to be able to go where they want to go. So we do have door-to-door transportation within Longmont and the ride free bus service. We are also working on trying to get a different connectivity within Longmont Marshes on that committee as well. And we are looking at putting out an RFP for a ride service that would be for all over Longmont. As far as RTD goes, it's difficult right now to work with them. All of these services are lacking drivers. We're having a really hard time getting drivers. But I think that's going to open up a little bit more. Just I had a conversation with the CEO of RTD a while back and they're hopeful that this is going to open up with the different things that they're trying. So that is, do you have any questions for me on any other subjects that would relate to seniors? And what are they asking you about that we can possibly answer? Comments were made on yesterday's trip about we really need a bigger building. And I know we've talked about that but it's front and center of a lot of people's minds that we're kind of like busting at the scenes here. Has RTD brought this? I'm not RTD, I got to get that off my mind. The senior center, have you brought that to the city, to Harold Dominguez? To, I haven't heard that through. No, but we have, Michelle and I had always talked over the years about if another recreation center was built, if we would consider repurposing the Memorial building for more senior type of activities. That's a great idea. And you know, next year we hopefully will put on the ballot a overall tax incentive for things that people want within the city, which would be a cultural event center, a recreation center, library, this would fit in perfectly with that. And for me, a library would be, I'm sorry, a recreation center would also have a library annex on it, as well as community room for different senior services or things that you offer like some of these clubs or whatever could meet in a community center as well. And we have talked about that as we've been discussing that tax and have proposed, I think that's a space there. It's a great idea. Turns.   I would say at least 10. Okay, thank you. It's the first time that I've heard of it. Okay, so that's why I asked, has it, have you taken it further to Well, Harold is aware of it. Brandy and I have both been attending the quality of life or culture and recreation tax discussions. So he is aware of that. He has, I think, a different plan specific to senior space, but we have included meeting spaces and that sort of thing where senior activities could take place there as well, as well as the opportunity of repurposing the memorial building. They also do daycare in that memorial building, don't they? We do. So I know that that type of activity for children, whether it's daycare, whether it's youth activities, is also part of what we're really looking at. So I can see where that would be somewhat of a conflict in that we would have to find some other place for that. Well, my thought would be that it could possibly go to either the existing rec center or the new one when that would happen. Those are good ideas, yeah. Or if we put a community anywhere along. Yeah, and it could be also. Yeah, you know, the other thought could be is, you know, expanding the memorial building as well at some point in time to add more space there that I could specifically be for senior activities as well. Well, as I look out this window, I see a lot of space out there that isn't always used. Yeah, especially that area directly to the west of the memorial building, it wouldn't need to encroach into the main part of the park. And, friend, if I can add a thought about space, you know, one of the space issue series that our building is underutilized in the evenings and on weekends, because we simply do not have the staff to grow programming into evening and weekends, even though we know that's a need in our community. So we have been talking about staff requests for the 2024 budget. And in fact, Jamie and I just talked about that on Monday about some of the expansion of possibly senior staff and recreation staff working together to make that happen. I think that's a great idea, also. These conversations I haven't heard about at all. So I have to leave early for 12 o'clock with Harold. So I will definitely read it out. As far as expansion of the senior center, I guess I'm wondering since much of the population is west of here, how is putting another building there going to address all the Googleplex people and their parents? Thank you. On the other side of Hover, I see that we want to keep things, what I'm hearing, not what I see, but what I'm hearing is things would be kept on this side and west of Hover, there would not be services so people can use reason to drive, maybe. To come to this side, creating more traffic, of course. So I'm kind of wondering why is, can you help me understand why the thought is that everything would be on this side of Longmont when population growth is on that side? The news is location income based? Because I'm pretty sure that's a more affluent area. It is not. Generally, location is based on availability of land that's owned by the city. One of the proposed locations of the new rec center would be out by Silver Creek High School at Dry Creek, which would address some of what you're talking about. Yeah, because I think that one of the things I've noticed is that activities, including Copy with Council, all take place on this side of the line and not on that side of the line. And it could be that because they're much more affluent west of Hover, that they don't feel a need to participate. That's one thing. I think it's something different. I think the way the city was planned, there are no spaces over there currently because the only thing I can think of is that Firehouse ride all the way on exactly. And that's why I think that when we build a recreation center, and that is the preferred side at Dry Creek, that we should put a community center on there. Other cities have done that for senior services, and it works well. So you asked what seniors think. This summer, the Memorial building is used for senior exercises, silver sneakers. We were taken over by the kids, and they gave us a classroom way back to small for the seniors that attend. So they're like, and we don't count. We get this. And then, you know, well, they get money for a day camp, and the parents need it. Yeah, I agree. We have a problem. Not everybody's being serviced equally. It's a good point. That's a good point. But like I said before, then that's where I think it butts heads on what to do with that building because what then do we do? But, you know, if in fact a community room on a rec center, that could also be for daycare and kids' activities. So just a lot to think about. Yeah, actually. Just, you know, recent. That's what happens. I'm glad you brought it up. And I think that's a great conversation. And hopefully with our new structure, with our department, that we can have a better opportunity to work through those things because there's other opportunities over at the Lashley Street Station that we could be using. And maybe day camp could work out of that location, which wouldn't. Not big enough. Yeah, that's not bad. That's small. But the day camp could possibly be broken into two locations, which again, then provides more service to some of the parents on that side of town as well. They just have a huge attendance of kids that use the day camp option. Oh yeah, my office is in that building. I am aware of that. And I will say that when day camp ends, it seems like a morgue in there. But I think those are all things that we need to be talking about across the visions. And I think there really is a shortage across the organization of spaces with our community growing like it is. And I think that's part of the driver of why we're talking about this new tax. So Jeff, in those meetings, those new tax meetings, have you brought this up? And what are the comments that you get from the group? It's specific to seniors. There hasn't been a lot of conversation about seniors because it has been had a different driver, which provides Harold had other thoughts of how seniors and children and youth and family could be addressed. And I don't know all the details for those things. But again, with the rec center, we would have spaces that would be used for all ages. I think one of the things we want to make sure we do is that we're not building age specific locations that it tries to serve. During the day, maybe it's more senior based. And then after a certain period of time, maybe it can be more younger folks time use. And I'm talking about the meeting space or community rooms that the mayor referred to as compared to this can only be used for seniors. And then on Saturday and Sunday, it's yeah, exactly. Well, I do recall when Silver sneakers was at the rec center. I mean, I never saw any obstacles going over there other than promoting the community of all ages to be together, which has some advantage and to share and enjoy with each other. So it isn't necessarily that all needs for seniors or older adults need to be separated in their own space. And I think there's also some other advantages to older adults being in and around all age groups. And likewise, there's definitely something. Okay, well, go at our time for Mayor Peck. Any other questions so we can keep the meeting. Do you have a time for one more? One more. David. I was the one that came up with the HOA questions. Seemed like a good idea. Anyway, I used to be president of HLA. And I know how difficult it is to get people to do something. And we are not a part of a larger HLA per village. And we have our annual meeting next week. And I was going to approach the president later and say, what are we doing this for sustainability, particularly in return to seniors and transportation? So I don't know if anything's going to come of that. But I know that HOAs could be a vehicle to be a support for electrification and all of the other programs. But I, so I'm wondering if there is some sort of a, I brought up the question is, let's say if I get involved in that, it's just a few days on our contact point in the city. And offhand, I think the resilient long gone for the sustainability advisory board or maybe there's a different way of doing that. There are two, two ways. Actually, I have one, two, three, four, five contacts here on, on where you can go to look for sustainability. But Susan Bartlett emailed me yesterday and she is the key account manager for lead and long long power communications. She said you can ask her directly any question that you want. So her contact information is on here as well as grant opportunities, etc. Where you can go for that. So I would like to, but you could, the sustainability, sustainable, say sustainability advisory board would be a good place to go, to at least express your concerns and have them bring those to the city. David is on the liaison for that board. So, I'm just going to, if you could just pass those out. One more, Marcia. Just as an answer today, we have the neighborhood group leaders association. So that is a way to address all of the HOAs and registered neighborhoods that are not HOAs. And ask them, I can see the neighborhood would have objections, for example, to excavating for ground source heat pumps. But it's hard to imagine air source heat pumps being across anybody's covenants. Ground source heat pumps? Neighborhood group leaders association in GLA. The contact is waiting for them. And if you, if he's sometimes is slow to contact to get back to you, Carmen is the one, I'm sorry, Carmen, what's your last name? Ramirez. Ramirez, sorry, there we go, dad. Thank you, Mayor Pick for coming and sharing with us today. Yeah, you can. Thank you. Don't forget about our open house. I will not forget. David, you also may want to look at the Colorado Supreme Court decision regarding HOAs, which was about five and a half, six years ago. And as Mayor Pat said, they are about me to answer themselves. And there was a lot of things I would like to work with HOAs, but we are, we allow them in. That's it. The state of Colorado has a handbook on sustainable HOAs. All right, let's give Caroline and Jim some time to respond to questions which I know work forward to you. Yes. And just tell us your take on seniors and dealing with them and what's happening. Yeah, so start from the top, I guess. So the question was where did, well, the wording was, where is the city in the process of changing the walk signs countdown to 25 seconds? So I did, I ended up asking Tyler about this. Who does what and for comments now. I don't think, I guess I wasn't at the last court meeting he was here, so I don't know exactly what was said. But I don't think that's quite what the commitment was. And it also doesn't. So the walk times are actually calculated partially based on the process of this. At the same. So it wouldn't make sense necessarily to put that long of a countdown time at every location, like one speaking Kauffman is different from 17 minutes. That being said, I believe he was trying to say something to the effect of we do have a signal time parameter possible try of us to try to meet those walk times. Where we have it's based on crossing the sense it is an assumed walk speed of 3.5 feet per second, which is what he says now says, which is he used to say for a second. So it has come down a little bit. And trying to and it's kind of related to I think another question that sounds like 17th and 21st, which I assume is 17th remaining and 21st remaining. Correct me if I'm wrong. But we can go over that kind of thing. If we have if it's meeting standards now, which based on I do think based on what I was saying, it might be, I was just doing 17th and it was out blood. So phase two is the north boundary movement, that's in conflict and also the south boundary, which is a 6th, but the yellow time difference. Anyway, it did seem to be, I came up with something a little bit short. I was getting calculated 27 seconds, the total that's in the controller now is 24. So and I suspect that has something to do with the compromise between probably trying to achieve a better level of service. And the fact that that's probably the 24 is probably enough time for people to get to least to the right turn where in theory people aren't going as fast. And it's not like a room movement that might run over someone. Now, of course, that is not always what happens. So I mean, it's definitely something we can look into and see what the impacts of it will be. Kind of as part of the larger issue of like trying to balance pedestrians, bikes, and cars. Janine? I do have a question. When you talk about average time, does that take into consider people with disabilities, parents that have kids that are crossing the streets? I mean, when you say the average time a lot of views, what is that based on? And do you go for the average versus what is safe in terms of a person with disabilities trying to cross four lanes of traffic? And the other issue being often, and I understand the need to traffic, but often when the light turns and somebody is at least in the turn lane, how many of those cars that are turning right on red anyway are paying a whole lot of attention to whether somebody's there or to be able to see them. If there's a pickup truck in the right hand lane, is a car pulling up going to necessarily see somebody coming? So maybe you could tell me how that's decided. So that walks speed of 3.5 feet per second, that's from the manual and uniform traffic control devices, which is published by the FHWA. And it's the federal guideline. Now you can consider potentially on a case-by-case basis whether or not you want to maybe base your disorder walk time 3 feet per second. You're getting, like I said, it's mostly a balance of finding where is it safe? Yeah, it's a challenge. It's a challenge to try to meet different needs. It's like in 17th and main it's like arterial to arterial, arterial to say high light, so. Martian? If there was ever a book that needed to be burned. Am I gassed you would suggest burning books? Just that one. I'm in many conversations with Tyler about this. I have a suspicion that since other parameters in our light system are affected by traffic load and things like that and actually change from time to time based on how many cars are passing and how many cars are driving up, that our crossing times could be impacted by that as well. I don't know how familiar we are with the innards of the algorithm. But that sounds like an awfully fast walk to me. There is a huge consensus. People with walkers, just people over about 55, with arthritic knees and stuff, strollers, people walking bikes. There are so many people that can't make that speed. So, this has been discussed from the certainly as long as I've been on this board, which is five years. Okay, let me write that down. Ten years, five years, okay. Yeah, we will. But yeah, it's not safe and I think I would like to say it's car-centric and it shouldn't be. We're trying to even know what's objective. It's almost like we should have more pedestrians, underpasses, etc. I cross airport in Nelson all the time. That's a 22-second walk speed and I'd better be huffing along because otherwise I'm not going to get across. Yeah, are you crossing mostly Nelson or airport? Airport. Is it right? Well, it does. Going back to Janine's question about right-hand turns and if you read that, many of the people being injured or, from cases killed, have to do with right-hand turns. Could right-hand turn, could it be looked at, that right-hand turns like on 17, where there's, I think I have to think about it, where there's a lot of traffic going here and there. Could it be no turn on red? Instead, and that doesn't mean for the whole city, but could it be looked at, that at places where there is challenging crossing, for everyone regardless of their age, you know, fathers with strollers and two kids at the mess, could that be looked at, that the right-hand turn would be illuminated on that? Second thing is, is you're talking about an average. So that means 50% below, 50% above, if I remember by statistics. So this is not really a rule from the famous book that Marcia wants to burn. That you couldn't go above that average. Is that correct? I don't believe so, and I hope while you're actually making it slower, be for a second and even more. Okay, thank you. You know, the bottom line is in areas and in crossings where there are senior housing facilities and places where people that can't walk that fast typically are walking the streets. The bottom line is, what do we do about that to make it safe for older adults or people with disabilities or young parents with kids to cross our streets in this city safely? So that was like another one on here, what's about enhanced crossings in your senior housing. And that can be an uprooting, so I was going to ask, where is the senior housing? Because there's, I mean, there's senior housing at ninth and over, sixth and main, that there's over and fourteenth, over and fourteenth. I can go under the list, where it's, so we're the first. So we're not, we're, we'll look at anything. Okay, the answer is, if you want us to look at something, certainly we will do. Okay, one of the challenges for our major corridors over Main Street 119, those corridors are on an adaptive signal system. That adaptive signal system is primarily designed to move cars, because those are the three highest corridors for vehicle, motor vehicle use. They're also, in some areas on Main Street, we get a lot of pedestrians. So when we add more times to pedestrian walks to cross main, we will have to take the timing from somewhere else. What we have, have seen and I think it's been a growing trend across the country is that drivers get more and more anxious and they tend to get a lot angrier when they have to sit and wait when they don't see any walk. So this is just a, you know, it's not a reason why we don't, it's just an argument pro-con whatever. But we'll certainly look at it. At this stage, we're not going to make any changes. That's bad news. Good news is, we have a new traffic engineer starting on Monday, and this will be one of the things on his list of things to look at. So it is, it's not anything we, we won't, you know, we won't make progress on it slowly, and we'll be able to come back in a few months and talk to you about it again. But I would like to get his take on it. He has a bit of a difference based on a couple of interviews with him, different philosophy on, as a traffic engineer, coming from a community that moves a lot of pedestrians more so than cars. He is, that was one of the unique questions. So I think, you know, I have a different take on a few things. The city is also looking at a few things differently now in terms of some of our pet crossings and our moving pedestrians. So I would, I would just ask it's a wait and see kind of decision, but we will entertain and look at 17, we'll look at some more intersections on the industry, but we're not prepared at this stage to say we're going to make some changes. All right, thank you for that. Mike, my question is a, is a signage. What is meant no right turn when pedestrians are present? That's a great question. Well, the thing is that we have, and I've seen this on 21st and May, people are going west on 21st at May, and people are crossing from the east side to the west side. And if there's time, the people are taking off. And I would think that would be a violation, but I'm just wondering, is that the case or not? Or is that really clear as to what that means? I would, I would argue, and make it very clear cut, if pedestrians are present under in the crosswalk or preparing to cross that there should be, there should not be allowed a right turn on the right. Okay. And the idea is that you can keep traffic moving if there's no pedestrians. Right. Okay. And I was just wondering if more of these signs could be put up in certain locations possibly. Or could there be something in like city line, clarifying Have you ever seen these road signs? Do you know what they mean? You know, communication, getting the message out on things is, is always, can always be beneficial. Okay. But just like enforcement, if you, if you post a police officer, and they start writing tickets, it's only a short term measure. When they disappear to go somewhere else, people will continue to speak. And I was sincere that I really wasn't totally sure on that.  And so yeah, that's, and so as, as you know, I made a statement about across the country, there's been upticks in, in pedestrian and vehicular accidents in the last several years. We're in the process, currently Caroline's trying to get it out by December of the crash report and publish it every year for the previous five years. Okay, it sums up all the accidents for the last five years. Here as well, for previous years. And then we look at those accidents and then we look at certain intersections to draw from what improvements can we make to those, those intersections.  And then, you know, go down to like, certain roads where, where we see a lot of accidents like Main Street, we have a lot of sidewalks, parking in the amount of traffic that's categorized as well. And now, you know, so we then program several projects the following year and following years to attack some of those areas to see if we can make some improvements. An example will be, I'll throw in views recently, Pike Road and Main Street. We saw a lot of left turn accidents. So we did a couple of projects down there and that is now off the list. So we do see some, some value to it. You know, some smaller improvements, additional signage can help. Be aware of pedestrians or yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk, our signs we've seen and can use. That can help at times. But again, we're facing a lot of distracted drivers. We see an uptick in either abbreviated or, or drivers under the influence in some form. Those are a lot of the accidents, a lot of distractions. It isn't just, you know, DUIs, it's people on their cell phones, people looking at, you know, lost and looking at the map on their screen while they're still driving. So we see a lot of those, those try to categorize them and on the port as well. Julie had a question. Oh, I didn't have it. It's like each one has a document. So unfortunately, we can't use a bucket approval. So that was filled out. We collected data for that. We sent that to CDOT. They responded, you need a special use permit for that. So that's kind of where it is right now. So, so it is a CDOT decision. So we have applied for one of them. We will, we can apply for others. CDOT has a requirement that if there is in their manual, the pedestrian crossing manual, if there is another crossing within 300 feet that is controlled, they usually don't approve it. Okay. And that's really where we fall into that because there are within 300 feet, more than south, those crossings on Main Street, there are signalized intersections and considered controlled intersections. Okay. So, you know, from a perspective of kind of practice, you know, I have no issue putting funding it. It's up. It's a CDOT decision. We're using them elsewhere in the city. We're looking at one now off of 17th. We put them in on 9th. We put them in, I think over on Mountain View. So they are, they tend to be very effective. They get your attention. It's, it's, if we can pressure CDOT in other ways, we'll try to get them in. But they are, they are rather pricey. But they are, I think, wow, we've seen some incidents on a lot of near misses we hear about. Another point on that, to bring up a Council member Martin's favorite manual, so the NUTCV. So RFBs are actually, they have an interim approval. So they are not totally, you know, officially approved yet by the NUTCV, which is why CDOT is not, I'm trying to see if we can get a point here for approval for the other two blocks of Main Street and No Dice. They want separate data collection. Thank you both for coming. We need to move on to the next meeting agenda item. But can I ask, Ed is one in traffic. Excuse me if I'm out of subject, but it says we talk about traffic. I want to know about the bicycle. The bicycle have ever right to go anywhere, any direction when they want to? Because I see so many people just running through red light and getting in between car to school or whatever they want to do. So I just want to know, maybe perhaps somebody can educate me what is that rule for the bicycle. So bicycles are required to follow the same patterns as a motorized vehicle. Okay, they are allowed on sidewalk because they're not considered motorized. But they have to follow the flow of traffic. Now, the one condition I would throw on is a state statute that just was passed last year that permits bicycles that are in the roadway or on a bike lane to they do not have to stop at either stop signs or red lights if they have to yield the right away. So they can go through it. There was a strong push for more bicycle movement. So the PD were not in favor of it, they were opposed, but it got through. Someone driving the opposite direction, either in a bike lane or in an opposite lane, if they're on a bike, should not be doing that. They should not do that, but they're still they have a right to do it. They can just pass the red light. It's okay. I've seen people in cars driving. One of the challenges, I will call it a misconception or misperception of people sometimes the public is that the engineering department and the traffic unit group can build our way out of bad behavior. And a lot of what we see, we'll show it in our accident reports is people making poor decisions when they drive, whether they're looking at their cell phone. We're all guilty at times whether it's a green light or red light. My kids yell at me, you know, don't check your text. My daughter's learning to drive, so she's very vocal about it. That's one of the challenges we face. Maybe we could add for a new business or upcoming agenda items, invite the new traffic engineer next spring or summer, and we'll get an update. Well, okay. Kyle Howard, H-A-W-O-R-T-H. And his first name is Howard. Kyle. Oh, Kyle. Okay. And what city could he come from? Northland. So thank you for coming today. Sure. Let us know if you need us back again. We're just down the street. Okay, we've got a new interview to process for our Julie and Lauren, are you on board? Did you get applicants that you're setting up? I have a call into Michelle to asking her, I haven't heard back from her, about when we're going to, because she told me, I called her a long time ago, and she said that they would do, they would open the applications and they would close the application. She would get us some of the questions that are get to me, some of the questions that they normally ask in their interviews so that we could create our own. And I have not heard back from her, so I haven't gotten anything. So you will be hearing from me. Okay, great. So I have, we have one candidate that we will need to interview and I'll send you her application and the questions. And then I thought maybe you and I and Art could just have a brief conversation and then we're ready to do that interview. So Michelle won't be calling you, she asked me to follow up. Okay, super. And so my question to you is, is the application deadline, is it, is it close? It's passed. Okay. It's what? It's passed. Okay, so we will be short one person until June when the next round will occur. Well, we needed three. Well, her things, because you added one, right? Last year we added another. Well, I will follow up with her. Her comment was we needed two, but I'll follow up on that. We got it approved through city council that there's supposed to be nine. Yeah. So I will, so we only have one candidate. So we'll interview her and make a recommendation back to you so that we can get that to council. Okay, so that's handled. And then we're need your position updates. Well, I have good news. It doesn't really impact you, but we have a new library director starting 14th, which I'm very excited about. His name is John Solin. And we have conducted one interview for the senior services manager since our candidate turned down the position. We have a second interview scheduled for November 21st. And you will be hearing from us about the meet and greet and inviting you all to be a part of that. Great. So Jeff, quick question. Do we know why the first candidate turned it down? Because it seemed like she went through the process. I do, but with it being a public meeting, I'm not sure that I feel comfortable sharing those, but would be happy to talk with you after news. The second thing is that there is a rumor, and I like to scratch rumors, that your candidate for the library was the third candidate with the first two turned you down. That is not true. Okay, thank you. I can clarify that. So that's the position updates. Yep. And I have one more question. On the other two positions that we still have to fill in, do you know what the process is on that? Just go ahead and post it again. It won't be posted until the next cycle, which is mid-23. So we will be short to two members, three possibly if the council wouldn't choose to appoint the one person that was the candidate now. So would that affect the quorum much? If there's two people, it will, yes. That welcomes it, it welcomes it. Nobody can ever be absent. Yeah, you can't miss. Is the quorum not a majority of the existing board members? Is it a majority of the nine? I'm not sure how that works. I will have to verify that. So now it's been five. I'll verify that in the letter. Okay. Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. There is nothing that could be done on this. If we find someone that would have an interest before 23, there's nothing we could do on that. That's a very good line of square applications. But I do think it's the quorum of the existing board. We have an NPC and it's always important if you have enough. So then, since you've been working here two days, Jamie, you want to tell us a little something about yourself and It's sort of a position update. We filled a position. Yeah, so we want to hear from the positionee. What would you like to hear? Give a little background about yourself, because not everybody was on the interview committee. Yeah. Well, I lived in Colorado since 2011. I moved here from Colorado Springs. I originally moved to Colorado Springs from Missouri. That's where I'm from, to work for the county parks system down there. So I was with El Paso County Parks and ran an interest center for five years. But my degree is in parks, recreation and tourism. And I work for city, county, state park departments, both from Missouri and Colorado combined. I really have a passion for programming. And so that's really where I've been in all my park department jobs, is planning programs and events for the public. So this is a really wonderful match. And seniors is my favorite demographic, so I'm really excited. Anything else you want to know? Questions anybody? Just kidding. I do. And I live, I just live very, I live very closely here on Night Street. And I am just so surprised at how many people that have dogs here. I mean, of course, it's your corner. But everyone is walking their dogs at the same time. It's wonderful. Stupid, there's not dog paws. Well, I've heard that there are a couple, but yeah, I've asked about that. Yeah. What got your attention to the long month? I think I found this job on the Colorado Parks and Rec Association website. And it said seniors and I said, I'm in. That's why. It wasn't so much long month. I don't really know much about Northern Colorado, except for four columns. I've visited there several times. It's one of my favorite places. Well, by the end of the month in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Well, welcome. Thank you. So, Jeff, it looks like you again, the supervisors report. Well, oh, it doesn't say acting. So who's acting today? Well, I was going to say, under other new business, a number of you participated in the Kosoa conversations. The state, gosh, what is it? Age well. Five-year report, where they look at aging across the state of Colorado. I did not know Colorado actually was the first state to do this. So I went to the state online Kosoa update meeting a couple weeks ago. We will be getting a Boulder County specific update, hopefully by the new year. And we will have them come and present at the senior center in general. We can also have them come and speak to the board specifically if you'd like. But an interesting statistic that has really stayed with me from that meeting is that for the state of Colorado, it varies from state to state, but for Colorado, the population of folks age 65 and better is expected to raise 36% in the next 10 years. Now, we serve people age 55 and better. So we're already getting that. The baby boomers are all age 57 up at this point. It has already occurred and I thought about the fact that we've doubled our number of resource and counseling staff in the last three years. We have not doubled our custodial staff, our front desk staff, our programming staff. So I think we need to really be thinking strategically. And Jeff and I have already talked a lot about programming staff in particular about how to just keep up. We cannot keep up at this point. Programming was with everything we've grown in the last 20 years. We haven't added programming staff in 20 years. And we grew our go catalog in that time from 15 pages to 56. And the registration process needs to be updated, which we've talked about. And, you know, it's not that friendly. Applicants complain about getting on the site and filling out the application. So it's just not user friendly. You're lucky Chong went back to doing meals on meals. Very big opinion about that. It's 10 to 12 pages for the application to get a job. So that was a lifeguard issue. And I've heard from many young people that they can't be bothered. And I agree with them. That hasn't been updated yet. They are just accepting resumes and new applications. Finally. I know. Finally. But that caused an issue. The other thing what you're referring to is how to register and motion knows this well for classes, outings, etc. on a system that was built by some company in Vermont that we don't have a contract with. Yes. Yes, we do. Oh, we do. Okay. I guess it was evergreen. What? Evergreen. Evergreen. I don't know what that means. Okay. Okay. Which means it keeps going without an evaluation of its use. And it's very difficult for seniors. You can't just say that. Let me respond. So we have purposely chosen to stay with Rectrack because we have such an investment with it that you can't just change overnight. It will cost $100,000 at least to do that. We know you can't change overnight. But I'm not saying that we aren't looking at it. But the response that you said is that we're just going with it. And that's not the case. We are evaluating it. We have to follow the budget cycle to be able to do things we can't just do things in midstream. So we just want to make sure that everybody heard that this isn't a flighty thing. This is something that we're working on. But it just... You know, I appreciate what you're saying, Jeff. However, there has been not just from seniors, but from young people. And it started with the pandemic when there had to be reservations for a lot of things. And there has been discussion here about that system. And I understand that the utility for the city is that everybody can use it across all the platforms, whether it's the museum, the senior center, the rep center. It can be used across multiple platforms. However, in terms of user, okay. The users struggle with it. And I agree with that. That's the yellow sheet where you sign up for classes. I'd say the majority of people here, they bring their yellow sheet in. They don't even try to use that system. They can't. The challenge is there isn't just that many systems out there that we can go to. Each system integration is the bigger player in that. And trying to find what that other solution is has been a challenge. But I will assure you that we'll have something in the works for the future. I guess I have just one question. What can we do to help? You know, I sit here and I listen and I think about the senior center and the obstacles for my colleagues here. And my question is, well, what can I do to help that? Can a volunteer person do something to help? Can we set up a registration desk? Can we have somebody that can do phone work? I mean, I know the main system, but what I'm looking at is what do we do in the interim and how can we serve our people here? What can I personally do to help? And maybe we could think about that. You know, maybe we could come up with some suggestions about how we can make a difference. Some of the volunteers are already making phone calls when things get canceled. But it's almost like if we could put in another desk, somewhere's new reception, because they get slammed with those yellow sheets that they're processing. Yeah, they get slammed. Do I need to come sit a couple hours a week in the... Let me say we did request another five hours for our front desk staff this year. It did not get through the budget.  What can I do to help? Or who can I get? Or who can I recruit? Or give me some ideas in a way that I can make a difference. Does it have to be entered into the system right away? When somebody brings it in the yellow sheets? If it position fills and you brought your sheet in first, but you didn't get a slot, that's your pre-op setting. Right, right. I just want to understand, can you show me the yellow sheet? Yeah, so about 75% or 80% of our registrations are via phone or in person. And about 20% of people are doing it online. I figured out how to do that. The front desk handles all of that for numerous people, you know, big population increase since we first started doing it and the programs were less to choose from. It's huge now. During registration days, we can get our staff to come over and help during those... That helps. We have to ask the front desk, I think, because part of the issue is which computers are set up to take payment. Right, right. But we can work through that because of the... So all of them could help with the different credit cards that would allow that to happen on a laptop. So we could help... That doesn't help every day today, but during those big rushes... That first week where it opens, that week we get a lot of registrations. So I'm not trying to downplay the software. I get that. But... Yeah, we're trying to... Yeah, we're doing what we can. And if... I will make a commitment that we will... That I will come back early next year with kind of what we're looking at. The front desk needs help. Yeah, it'll do. Well, we have all of these. So I have a question. Is Lewisville and Boulder on the same system? I don't know, I think. Boulder is not. They're on active... They're on a different system. Because I've registered... I've given up on this system. So I've registered for a number of things in Lewisville. And I have to tell you that the ease of registration is... I'm not sure if they're on the same system, but I've signed up for classes. I've signed up for swimming because it's easier. And I know the museum is on the same system. And my colleagues have heard this before, my fellow council members. It took them 45 minutes to give me tickets. And then they contacted me the next day to tell me that some of the tickets were incorrect. And I was very patient. I realized it wasn't the issue. It was the systems issue. And that's what the young man told me about in the counter. And that, I think for someone who just wants to... I went to the museum specifically because the online system is such a mess. But they weren't in the same thing. What they told me... And I didn't really believe this, but maybe I sure that if he said, we get kicked off because the rec center is using it. That can't be true. That can't be true. I was like, what? It sounds to me like there may be some training issues for some of the staff as well. As somebody that goes on, I agree that the online part of trying to register is very difficult. And until you get used to doing it, it is bad. First time people struggle all the time. And that has to improve. But I do think that there is some training things that we can do to help with what you just talked about. Well, thank you for that. I think that I'm an experienced user. And I just said, okay, I'm not doing anything. I'm done. And Boulder, I believe, and you said Boulder too, they use active.com. They were one of the companies we considered before we went to Racktrak. And there was a real downside to that because they collected all the money and then would send us the money. But they took a large percentage of that. And we chose not to go that way because of the ongoing cost of it. So, but I will reach out to Louisville and see what their reasons are. Yeah, I don't know what they're on, but it's much, much easier. Recreation is probably one of the bigger users in our area of Racktrak for the vast number of things that we do. And so not having to use multiple systems would be important to us. But if they can provide a better online experience, we will certainly consider that. Thank you. Yep. Any other? Yeah, what was clarification? Clarification on the 35% increase on the people over 65? Is that over the next five or 10 years? 10 years. 10 years. In the state of Colorado. Okay, in the state. And do we know what the population is or what the latest or the most recent information is on senior Zoom? La La. I don't have that for La La, but the Boulder County report will break down information by city by unincorporated parts of the county. So we will get that local specific data. It just will probably be the new year. Yeah, I actually went to the Zoom meeting on that for Boulder County. And for Boulder County, the population that they gave was 14 to 15%. It's 27.8% in South Central Colorado. So they have, I was amazed at that, that they have had significant population. And Colorado overhauled the sixth youngest state. So that speaks to what the next 10 years it's going to look like. And it's going to change the face of everything about our culture. I don't think we really take that into account that the baby boomers have dramatically changed the culture every age they've had, right? And that's going to still be happening. Quite a question. The show's been saying that for 15 years now. Quick question for May and Peck. I know that Boulder County got $35 million from the American Rescue Plan. And I realized that the city of Longmont got $13 million out of that pop. $8 million of that, I believe, went to affordable housing on what I understand. I'm wondering what happened to the other $5 million. And I've had several council people. And it hasn't been transparent. Okay, so there we go. As to that ether of $5 million, because what I've heard a lot here from our colleagues in the city is that there's not money for things. And so I'm wondering where this $5 million ether money is. I know that $1.5 million is set aside for homelessness. And we're in discussions. I've been in discussions with Harold for over a year, which we are getting ready to bring forth to council and to public as to what some ideas as to what to do with that one and a half. I think the problem with the ARPA money is that it's one-time capital money. Right, exactly. So it's not good for employees. It's capital. It's capital. So I think that there is no transparency because there are so many divisions in the city that are asking for it. And it hasn't been appropriated. That's the only pile on that I know about. But to say it's going to be for something and then that changes could be a real problem, not only for the department, but also for the public. As far as I thought you were going to do it, so I see. We're having that right now on the county because they got over $3 million to put in to reinstate the LX1 bus that goes down I-25 to Denver. And they didn't do it. So we're having that battle right there. So I think that's part of the problem is not telling where it's going to go until you've figured out the best way for it in the city. I also know we got $981,000 from the sale of the Denver Broncos which is to be geared towards youth programs. That is specifically targeted for that. So thinking about all those kids in the same terrain building. Yeah, and I need to ask Jim Golden, is that actually, what are the parameters on that money? Because requests for that money is coming from all different areas. People are asking me and I thought, I need to know exactly. I think it's for youth sports, but there's some finandalling with it to move it into something else under that. For me it was just youth and it didn't have to be sports. Yeah, that's what I understand. It's just youth programs, not specifically youth sports. So youth programs, and those programs can be a number of things. That's where we're getting tons of requests. That's what I want him to nail it down. Exactly what are the parameters of this money? Any other things on the supervisory board? Yeah, I have two things I'll talk about. So we have posted the director of human services, which will be apart. Senior services will report to that director. Joni Morris, assistant city manager is leading that effort. I believe we'll have the first interviews sometime before Thanksgiving. So that's moving forward. Brandy has stepped down, as you all know, as the acting manager. Christina Pacheco, who is the manager of Children Youth and Families, and myself are splitting those responsibilities until we can get the new manager hired. And I'm keeping responsibility for five of our staff, the counselor and resource staff, permanently. I have one quick question. I have one more quick. Do you want me to report in on some other pieces? Yeah, yeah. So the winter go is out. And I want to say thank you to Teresa Shulte, who stepped in to fill gap as the acting recreation supervisor until we can get Jamie on board and Char Salone. They planned a full normal winter quarter here. And they did a fantastic job with the volunteer appreciation. Yeah. Volunteer appreciation was fantastic. We've gotten so much good feedback. And I think in part that's because we hadn't had a volunteer appreciation the whole pandemic. But in part, even though our staff agreed not to go overboard planning that event, they did as usual. And it was incredibly fun. And we are already starting our plans for next year's volunteer appreciation. Yeah. Open House is this Saturday. And we've got the schedule almost fully lined up. People keep kind of wanting to jump into the last second. But I think you're going to be surprised at the attendance. I hope so. Because our outreach on Next Door and Eventbrite didn't really garner any attention that's visible. Maybe a lot of people saw it and just didn't comment or like it or whatnot. But it's curious if those efforts are going to pay off. I was saving this for the liaison comments. But since it's a specific comment at the topic here, you said the schedule is almost filled out. My mentee from Silver Creek, who was doing the blood take back event, has a lot of literature left and would like to table at the open house if possible. No way. I know I would say no because we're pretty packed in the building. And it's really focused on senior services. And I understand that a lot of seniors use pharmaceutical take back events. But it's not really focused on older adults. She can certainly bring flyers. And we can have flyers in our whole resource closet. But I don't think we would give her a table. We have said no to city staff who have asked for a table at our open house. Everybody wants to market to seniors. But our open house is really about senior services. And so then her follow-on question is, if she can't be at the open house, can she come some afternoon and just be present to give out information? Not about the event since it's over, but about the other spots where drop-off is possible. You can put her in touch with me. Okay. Because we do have folks come do tabling from time to time. Yeah, she does. We're also very cautious about that. Yeah, she's very sweet. So I don't think she'd be a problem. But yeah, that's what I'll tell her. Any other? Any other when the library comes? Yeah. And that's what I think there. Well, if there's space, the library has a lot of space. Yeah. Any other supervisory comments? Okay. City Council. Short and sweet, Marcia. I don't know what we have other. Oh, is that? In other business, I was just going to bring up something, or do you want to just go ahead and go that night and do what you'll ask? My question had to do with, are you having the same problem with other boards in filling positions? Yes. All right. I think it's like, just like the human-paid positions. Okay, I was just wondering, I'm just surprised that there's only one person that applied for the board. And I thought there would be more on that. People are kind of, one thing is just emerging. You wouldn't think it would take this long, but it is. But all the boards I am on are actively recruiting and not finding enough. Yeah. So, we'll see how it turns out. I didn't ask for a count on the deadline day, but it was not easy for any of them. The only thing that I have to say is that there's apparently, this is always after the LAJ board meeting. So there's not a lot of counsel stuff on the top of my mind, but the LAJ is very important to this board because everything we've got now, more or less senior housing. So although they continue to struggle financially, at least they understand now where the squeeze points are and where there are points of improvement. And they don't have their new grade from the HUD inventory yet, but they were told verbally that it's a several times improvement. They don't get to go from fail to excellent in one huge leap, but they are probably going to fail from fail to satisfactory. So that's really a huge important thing. There are commercial meth detectors apparently now, and so that will be on a soon budget because the cost of that, you wouldn't think you always have the myth of the sweet old folks. We have units down for meth decontamination in senior housing, and it's kind of shocking, but there is. The other news is that it's looking likely that the housing needs survey is going to say, don't move more senior housing, right? So if there is a counter argument that in various groups you can make, now is the time because the City Council will be sure of this coming up. I have made the argument about statistics, and that the senior population is growing so dramatically, and what I have heard is that we already have more senior specific housing stock than most comparable areas. Yes, we do.  Well, I'm a butt, I think we need more. And just to let you know, I actually applied to the former housing authority board. Well, I thought it was an application, because you know how strongly I feel about it, and I thought they have three positions. Advisory board. That's right. She's going to revise them. Watch out, I apologize that I have to leave early. Okay. That's it? I have to go off, so thank you very much for coming. Thanks for coming. I have one more short statement, which is the takeaway from this discussion for me was if you can get down to the City Council and talk about the dam crosswalks. You know, I think we're not hearing from the public nearly enough. It usually has a big effect.  You know, 3.4 feet per second is a pretty brisk walk. And that's okay for a 27-year-old desk room wearing sneakers. Anybody else can walk that fast. So I hate the thought that it's going to take a dance. That's what we're doing. I say it's three deaths and then you get something done. It's three deaths, I'm sure. I want to burn that book, by the way. Where do they keep it? Who can grab it? I think I know, actually. It's probably electronic also, so they're going to have to act. All right, do you need anything on, well, any other regular business? Dave, did we get that form for the open house? Did we get it translated? I don't know. We asked them to. Can I ask if they're from Desk on the way out? Yeah, okay. But yeah, I asked them a couple of times to put Spanish on the back. Yep. And I assume it was done, but I don't know that for a fact. I can check. Okay. Janine area agency on edging? Okay, just we don't have time today, but I did go to the Kosoa meeting for Boulder County. If anybody wants any information or statistics specific from that meeting, let me know. And I'm happy to share it with you. We discussed this last month some issues in Lafayette that they are starting their own limited free transportation for seniors from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. daily, which is a new thing for them. Their city is paying it well. And also discuss their their problems with elder care supports. So I think sometimes it's important for us to be in tune with what goes on with our our sister cities in the county because we can all learn from each other. The biggest issue in terms of transportation for everybody is availability of drivers. And currently, Boulder County is looking to see if they can promote a volunteer workforce to help with driving and transportation, especially. There's ongoing issues in and around the homelessness in Boulder County. We actually have a coordinator named Heidi Grove, who I did not know. We have a specific homeless person.  And this does impact the older adult community because their ability to refuse filling prescriptions is not reason specific. So a person can be post up. They can be a cancer person. And it will be up to the individual pharmacist to decide whether they are comfortable filling prescriptions. And I think it's important that we know that and be aware of that and kind of get a sense to support our community in what pharmacies are less apt to refuse. There's a lot of controversy about pain medication, but there certainly is reason for all of us that sometimes we need pain medication. And now that that is going to be at the discretion of the individual pharmacist, we need to have a way to help people find other alternatives. So I'm not surprised because the people over 65 are the largest population that gets addicted to opioid drugs. So I'm really kind of not surprised because they're limiting.  Yeah, I do understand that. And there are, I guess because I spent eight years in pain management, there are people that in our age group that also are more apt to have surgeries that are more apt to have chronic diseases, including cancer that can require medication and treatment. And not everyone may use this medication, isn't it? I have to agree with you, but there is a real, but shutting the door. Yes, it's just shutting the door. It's not art. Is it a liability factor or abuse factor or what? It's an abuse factor. It's, you know, I have lots of opinions about it, but I'll keep them to myself. But the truth is that we do have major abuse issues, especially in our younger population, but there is now and has always been a place for treating chronic pain. And I think that it's a problem. It's a big problem. And yeah, you know, now what we need to do is find a way to help our colleagues and help people find the treatment that is what I'm saying. Moving on to the friends. To the stock market, their investments are down, but they're healthy. They'll be at the open house. They have prepared their annual campaign letter so that anybody who has contributed at least a dollar can attend their annual meeting, which is in January. And you can hear all that they've done, which quite a lot. They have four members up for renewal, and it looks like they'll be able to fill those positions. So I don't know what they're doing differently, but they're going to be able to fill their board. They don't have to go through the... The rig of my phone. Exactly. So those are the highlights from what the friends are up to. I'd encourage you to think about attending the January meeting to listen to all the nuts and bolts and how they operate. Anything from the Boulder County Latino Coalition? Nothing. Okay. Long-long economic development? Nothing. Sustainability, David? Anything since we last met? Not really. Just a brief comment. Last time I mentioned that sustainability was resilient. Sustainability, long-month. I always get up next. Sustainability, resilience. All right. Yeah, there you go. I gotta check on that one. SRL. I know, really. I mentioned that the EnergySmart has a service available, and I had the phone number that you could call to have consultation regarding on bullfinger house and insulation, all those kinds of things. I actually called them, and to tell the truth, I was a little disappointed. There was only one person, I think, and as I understood it, all it really did was refer to other agencies, and so that didn't seem to be all that productive. But I did have a thought, and I looked in the Go catalog, and I noticed that in the last catalog, the magazine, there was a general overview of the city's sustainability initiative, and it's already passed. But I'm just wondering if all the stuff that's going on and all the stuff that's coming down the pike, maybe there should be a section of the Go magazine regarding resources that seniors might use. And I'd be willing to work on that, and I don't know who actually, I don't know how it's done. I don't know who it is. That works probably being a brandy. Yeah, brandy. Yeah, and you have the new Go? I don't. This is the last one. Get it on the way out. Yeah, right. It's not on that information. Is it on that other services page? Right there. I didn't see it. No. Okay. So I'm just saying that there's a lot of stuff going on. It could be publicly included. Yeah, just drop her a suggestion and she'll get it to the right person. Yeah, I will. You know, when I had my energy assessment done earlier this year, I didn't get much satisfaction from Boulder County Energy Smart either. Because we are in the flat river power for the service area, we can go to the Efficiency Works website and get a referral through them. So PRP.org or EfficiencyWorks.org, I think, and they are also, you know, referring to a contractor, but they were effective about it. They followed up. They did a good job with one oversight. And so that might be the way to go. No, I did the same thing about six, seven months ago. And they were very good. Yeah. They were very good. It's the same one that I gave to you. Yeah, so recommending them is probably good. That kind of information just needs to be accomplished a little later. Strength. Good idea. And then engaging caring communities is actually on hold. They're waiting to see what the city of Longmont wants to do as far as funding any further. Engagement with the people on the committee. So that hasn't met since the summer sometime. Okay. I have to step out. Are you sure? What's the need for motion to adjourn? Yeah, motion to adjourn a second. There we go. Thank you for letting me join us. Thanks.