Hey everyone, good afternoon. Lisa Martin with Dave Vellante. Welcome back to theCUBE's coverage, day two Dell Technologies World 2023 live from Mandalay Bay. Dave and I have had some great conversations so far. One of our alumni is back with us. We're going to be breaking down some great topics. The Chuck Whitten, the co-COO who's back with us, shared yesterday on MainStage. Chuck, great to have you on theCUBE. Thanks for joining us. I'm always happy to come by. Thanks for having me. So this is your, as you said yesterday in your keynote, second time on MainStage. Talk about what's new compared to last year. A lot of advancements, a lot of announcements, a lot of news, but compare and contrast this year with last year at this time. You know, I hope that people walked out saying, wow, Dell delivered what we promised last year. I think this was the year of, you know, our say-do ratio proving itself. So, you know, last year we stood on stage and said, look, there's an enormous number of problems that CIOs are facing today and we happen to sit in the middle of it. We talked about multi-cloud. We talked about the edge. We talked about security. We talked about AI. And of course, you have to talk about the future of work, which was evolving. And I think you flash forward a year. I mean, we just delivered an enormous payload of innovation, particularly around the multi-cloud topic yesterday. And so, yeah, a year down the road, I felt like we delivered two years of innovation in a year. You were saying yesterday that you, in a year, you've spoken with hundreds of customers and partners and they're articulating and you just mentioned some of them, some of the same challenges that they're all facing. Can you walk us through in our audience some of those main challenges? Multi-cloud being one of them that customers are facing that Dell is saying, we are here to help solve. Yeah, absolutely. So, look, multi-cloud is a reality. You know, if I go out and I talk to customers, they will tell me I'm running anywhere between four to eight cloud infrastructures. And the problem I'm trying to solve is, how do I make it all act as one single platform? One unified cloud. I think super cloud coined by my friend here. That's the challenge that we're in the middle of solving in multi-cloud. In security, you know, we're being told, I have a complex ecosystem of security partners. Can you help make this simpler? That's what we're talking about today with Project Helix. In AI, look, the world, you can't go into a boardroom today and not have a question about what are we doing to transform our business, our business processes, our products with generative AI. The problem to solve is, I need to apply it if I'm a company with proprietary models on my proprietary data. How do I do that securely? How do I do that ethically? If you go to the Edge, we talked a lot about the Edge last year. We announced Project Frontier, which was our vision to simplify the orchestration of applications and infrastructure at the Edge. We sort of paid that off with our announcement today of native Edge, but that was the problem we sat in the center of solving. How do I make it all work in a remote and harsh condition with no IT intervention? And then look, the future of work is just simply, we've all pivoted from working in an office to working remote, and now the world has settled on hybrid. Maybe it's, maybe in your company, it's two days a week, maybe it's three days a week, maybe it's four days a week, very few or five days a week. So somebody's got to make that work, in office, out of office, mobile. And so those are the problems we're in the center of solving. Taco Tuesday. Taco Tuesday is a great way to bring back your employees for a day. So, presumably 100% of the conversations you're having with customers involved, some conversation around AI. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. What was the progression like? If we go back, because it's clearly the year of AI, if we go back a year ago, how much of the conversation was AI? And was it open AI and chat GPT and Microsoft Bing that catalyzed that? I mean, everybody says, hey, this is really not that much new, but it sure is new to me when I asked GPT. So what was it like back then? Yeah, I think, look, AI is not new. Companies have been working with it for years. We've been putting it into all of our product and solutions for years. We've been applying it to our business for years. So whether it's our forecasting and our supply chain, our services organization, I think what's happened with the chat GPT is it's upped the visibility and the amplitude of how companies are looking at it. And so it's sort of made an aware, look, I like to joke when my kids are asking me about AI, you know we're at a certain point in the hype cycle. And I think that's great. But I think that the difference that's happened now is, now companies are saying, okay, there's these large language models, large unbounded public data models. How am I going to do that on a subset of my data? And I think where the evolution of the conversation is going is from ML or focused conversations inside a company about AI to okay, there's these great unbounded public data models that I can use. How do I get it now on my data for solving my specific business problem? We have some great examples on the floor today of applications of AI in those environments. Well it created massive awareness to anybody and anybody who can speak language. You made a comment, you talked about your end-to-end leadership and you called it, I think I got it right, built for this moment. What did you mean by that? Well look, I think that this moment in technology is fundamentally about data. It is about controlling it, securing it, and most importantly extracting value from data. We're the leader in data storage. We're bigger than number two, number three, number four combined. We have the IP and the capabilities to solve multicloud but also to solve a lot of these data problems. And so that's one thing. And then I think look, we're positioned as a natural partner in a very complex ecosystem. And I think one of the things that makes us different is not just our asset position as leaders from the core PC to the core data center to the cloud and all the data that spans across it, but also that we're natural partners. We partner with everybody and you've seen in the announcements, Microsoft, Red Hat, VMware, Databricks, because we are not confused. We're not a cloud trying to compete with the other clouds. We're following customers and that's kind of been the DNA that Michael's always had as he sort of evolved the company over the years. I feel, I wonder if you can comment on this, Chuck. So it's all about the data, absolutely. I feel like most companies don't have their data act together. They're not able to put data at the core. I remember I was talking to Jen Feltz about this.  Well, we take it out of the sass. We stick it into an enterprise data warehouse. That's how we put it in the core. Because that's the best you can do today. And so, do companies have to figure out their data architecture in order to solve for AI or is AI going to solve that for them? Yeah, I think it's both, right? I think the reality of it is, is you have to start with the business problem. What am I trying to solve and what data do I need to solve it? Because we are generating data so fast and so distributed, as you said well, Dave, that you have to make choices, right? You have to make choices in your infrastructure. You have to make choices. So, certainly the object is not, put all of the data in a single unified lake warehouse, not practical, not cost effective. The art is going to be, how do I get the right data in the right place at the right time? That's what we're solving with, you know, our multi-cloud architectures we're talking about. Talk a little bit about that. From the multi-cloud by design, from that lens, you know, customers to be able to get value out of data they've got to know where it is. Every company is a data company. Every company has to have intelligence. How is Dell obviously positioned now with the announcements to solve that problem? But maybe a favorite example of a customer that was multi-cloud by default last year, and this year has really gotten that much more strategic by design with Dell. Absolutely. Well, the, you know, the announcements yesterday, what we've effectively given is the core building blocks to make your multi-cloud work. And so today you wake up, you have my four to eight clouds spread across. Now you look at what we announced yesterday, our Apex cloud storage offers. That was originally called Project Alpine, our putting file block and object in the public clouds. Now let's just stay in an Azure environment for a minute. Say you have Apex block storage in Azure, and on premise now you have our Apex block, or excuse me, our Apex cloud platform for Azure. What we've created with our IP is a common data layer, right? It's a common storage layer. It is our underlying software and storage assets in the public cloud and on premise. And that will let me enable mobility, put the data in the right place. Now we did something extra that I think is really exciting and maybe got a little bit underplayed yesterday, which is Apex Navigator. That's, I called it our air traffic control. If you're in the cloud and you're on the ground, you need air traffic control. Well, what Navigator allows you to do is now see where is all of that data across my multi-cloud estate, which is exactly what you need to unlock that data mobility. And over time we can imagine putting lots of capabilities into Navigator.  So that's, we've basically given the tools to customers now to take this sprawl of clouds and start to make them coherent around our storage IP effects. So Chuck, I understand you've been, Dell, companies like Dell have been using AI for years. Customers don't even necessarily know about it, or maybe they do, because you talk about it, but it's there, just by default. By default, sure. So that's cool. But when I look at the data in terms of where customers are spending on AI, or even deploying, spending resources, it's the big three clouds, it's data bricks, and now of course open AI pops up in a big way. Do you see that dynamic changing where you guys, large language models as a service inside of Apex, where you're actually selling AI? Well yeah, and let's start with the announcement today, because I think the first thing customers want to do, I agree with you, today their choice is, build my own large data center or go to a public cloud. Today I think we're trying to make it simpler inside their data center, with Project Helix and NVIDIA, right? We bring the infrastructure and the services, they bring obviously the accelerators, but also the AI models and the software in an integrated stack, make it very simple for a customer who wants to apply a large language model to their proprietary data, that's my proprietary data in a proprietary setting. Now over time, could you imagine us offering that as a service as part of Apex? We'll follow the customers. I think if you look at where we've built out Apex over the last year, it's been through customer pull, right, saying, hey look, I want Apex PC as a service included in my console experience. I want bare metal compute, Apex compute we announced yesterday, so do we go there? I think there's a lot of companies offering AI as a service out there. Certainly we're in the business of you can buy our infrastructure, you can subscribe to our infrastructure and increasingly you can subscribe with a managed service. I could certainly see AI going there. Your strategy is not to build a large language model that's Dell's large language model and sell that maybe along with ecosystem partners, or is it? It's clearly got to be ecosystem partners. That's your ecosystem. It's ecosystem partners and I think if you listen to Jensen today say look they know a lot about these large language models, the open source models that are out there. What you want to be able to do is give it to a company maybe that doesn't have the skill set to write their own large language model which is most companies in the world, right? They want to be able to take a reference model and put it on sort of a standard stack and that's what we're really good at doing. So you got two children, right? Two boys. And they're teenage years. I got kids, they're a little bit older but do you, a lot of schools are saying you can't use GPT, you can't do that. Do you agree with that or do you think we should be teaching how to prompt GPT? I don't agree with it. This is not a Dell position. This is a Chuck Whitten position. I think this is a thoughtful dialogue society's having but look, it would be like telling me don't use the internet for research, right? When it came out. I think anytime there's a new tool you can use the tool for good, you can use the tool for bad. So my boy is that when I talk to them about this is this is an amazing instrument. Don't cheat with it but use it to enhance your creativity, enhance your productivity. That's the AI conversation the world's having. I think the conversation about our swaths of jobs going to be eliminated. Some jobs will probably be eliminated. The cost of cognitive labor is coming down but what's really happening is we're putting a force multiplier on productivity with AI and that's how I think you have to think about it. Well, I mean, I was watching Michael on CNBC too and they got to keep coming back but I don't understand what people want to say. Yes, it's going to affect jobs but machines have always replaced humans. Now it's cognitive so I think that's why people are a little bit more scared but you see there's a big discussion around the debt levels. Of course, I talk about it all the time with 120% of GDP. Some people think it's going to 200 before it goes to 100, it's probably true but if you look at the productivity there's been a productivity lag in the US for the last 10 years. Cloud didn't change that. It's probably because people on social media cloud mobile social distracted us maybe from being more productive. You know, this is the Dave Vellante theory. How do you think AI is going to affect that and can that get us out of sort of whatever the debt issue, the concerns about interest rates and recession or is it just too early in your view? I know it's hard to predict. Yeah, and that's without stepping into the grand unified theory of economics and interest rates and what it does, I think fundamentally this is a productivity accelerator and it will be for society and I think we're just starting to scratch the service on what we can imagine AI is going to do and so whenever I look at pessimistic forecasts about our productivity or the world's productivity and then you look at the capability of these tools I think you start to sleep easy at night and think it's going to be an accelerant. Do you think it can exceed, I mean, obviously the industrial revolution was sort of the goat of productivity improvements but the PCs did pretty well. Internet did okay. Do you think this will exceed that? What should I tell you? I do, I think it's a massive, I mean, I think it's a massive transformation. Again, I think like all new things and I mentioned the hype cycle earlier, we will probably overstate the near term and we'll underestimate the long term. That's sort of my view of where it's at. I got to get my security question in too because you said customers are telling you don't be a security vendor, change the security of the tech industry. What did you mean by that? Yeah, that seemed to provoke a bit of a reaction. I think I also called the security industry broken. I called it a do over. But look, I think, look, the world is out there with lots of layer upon layer of security, right? That is the way the security industry has been built and that is not to take away from, we have many great partners, you need good end point security, you need all of these security assets out there but they are an individual silos. And what the power of the concept of zero trust is, zero trust is not something you can buy but we think it is the gold standard framework around which the world is going to organize to build security into infrastructure. That's what I think customers want. And so when you hear us today announce Project Ford Zero, what we're effectively doing is taking a customer zero, a very sophisticated customer zero, the Department of Defense, and saying we're going to work with you and 30 other partners to create a full stack, zero trust infrastructure and then we're going to industrialize it for the world. That's what the world needs. They don't need more point specific security solutions. That's not working today. And so that's what I mean by we've positioned ourselves uniquely given our position in infrastructure, our position with the US government to be at the center of those conversations. It can be made simpler. It's never going to be made foolproof. There's always going to be a security challenge. That's why we offer our data protection business, our cyber vaults, all of that has to help you recover but it can be done better and that's what we're off trying to do. And where do security ecosystem partners play? Is it bring your own identity? I know you have preferred partners presumably like you can ask a deal with CrowdStrike for small business which is really I think really interesting. Where do those guys play? Are they part of that ecosystem? They get to that? They absolutely have to be looked at. Zero Trust is simply going to organize all of us around what are the common frameworks that are going to, if you sort of approach security today as a trust but verify. Zero Trust is saying never trust always verify what is the framework around which we're going to do that.  That's Zero Trust. That's what we're trying to do in Project Fort Knox. So Chuck, take us home with so much momentum. So much has gone on in the last year alone. Next year you're sitting in this seat or you're on the main stage. What are some of the things you think you're going to be reflecting on in the next era of Dell?  So look, I think the work is never done on multi-cloud. You've heard us announce big announcements with Open Hat Redshift, with VMware, with Azure. I would expect us to be making more announcements next year. I would like to see us standing here next year saying, wow, Project Fort Zero paid off. We can see fully integrated Zero Trust industrialized solutions that customers are applying. I think next year we'll be sitting here talking about an AI business that isn't just oriented at the largest, most sophisticated, large language models, but this spectrum of opportunity that we started talking about over the last couple of days from a precision workstation, which can do a lot to our standard servers all the way to that 9680 eight-way GPU that we're offering today. So I think we're going to continue to chip away at those big problems I called out on stage yesterday. Product Helix, if you can get GPUs. Project Helix, look, I think the conversation on GPUs and Project Helix really important. But again, what we're trying to remind the world is there is a spectrum of applications in AI, and you can do a lot with a standard server. It's all compute, sometimes it's latency in time, but as an example, we have an offering over here or an example running of take all of our proprietary data on Apex and put it into a virtual human interface. That's running back in our Palmer labs being orchestrated by a standard server, right? Can you cut the latency down? If you added it on a 9680, sure you can. But there's a lot of room for AI across the infrastructure stack, not just GPUs. Thank you. Well, we will be watching this space closely as the silicone angle on the cube does. Chuck, thank you so much for joining us on the program. Thank you, it's a pleasure. All of the exciting things, the challenges you're helping customers solve. We can't wait to see you next year. I look forward to it. We'll see you there. All right. For Chuck Whitten and Dave Vellante, I'm Lisa Martin. Up next, Varun Chabra and Carrie Brisky join us. Talking about generative AI and some great news that came from Dell and NVIDIA this morning. Stick around, we'll see you in a minute.


Hello. Hello. Welcome again. I don't know if you caught the last small bit of our of our escapades here on Livestreaming, so how's the how is it? It's so good. There's no echo. It's okay. Okay, so let's say that you're dating a guy and This guy ends up pulling away from you or he disappears on you.  How do I go about this? How do I start? How do I get this man? How do I get this man back to me? That's what you're thinking and so that's what we're gonna be talking about today. Hello My name is Matthew coast and welcome to commitment connection today I have a special guest with us. Her name is jelly bull bullard And she is actually a manifestation coach and she I wanted to have her on the channel because She she has a lot of things that are very actually very similar to the thought processes and the things that we talk about here on the channel And so I wanted to bring her on and let you guys get give her some exposure to you in case you haven't heard of her before And so that you can you can find out more about her. I Actually spent last week.  I mean it was really really fascinating. I really enjoyed it And so I'm really honored to have you here. So thank you so much for being here so much And I didn't know you watched some of my videos. I want to hear like what you thought about at all Yeah, no, I mean I feel like there's layers And different perspectives through which to look at and understand relationships And so I have a very particular perspective that I look at To understand what's going on in a relationship dynamic So I'm excited to talk about it with you see where we're like really similar in the line See where we see it a little differently But what I find is usually it all in the end really lines up with the same Kind of theories we might say or the same practices. So yeah, I'm excited to dive into it with you Great. Awesome. Well, let's well. Let's get into this. So they're You so this woman she's your client, you know or or you know She came up to you at a seminar and sat you down and looked you in the eye and said I need your help right now Shelly you got to help me with this guy. He's he's pulled away. He's disappeared He's Not there anymore, right? He's not there anymore. How do I attract this man back into my life? And what what do I say and that's a yes What do you what do you have to say about this? Well, I guess first the place for me to start for people who aren't familiar with my work And also for those who are familiar because we like understanding and hearing it over and over again My perspic perspective on relationships and on everything is a manifesting perspective Which means that? My outer reality Including the way other people are showing up with me is a direct reflection Of my inner reality Which is my inner belief systems my expectations my assumptions How I perceive myself all of these things Is creating A matching or reflective outer reality and so the first thing for us to understand is you know, when People really understand this even when I was a psych just a psychotherapist and I wasn't teaching Manifesting people really relate to the the reality that we end up recreating Situations and relationships that are reflecting a particular wound for us Like this is what happens and so the experience of someone distancing out of relationship Essentially, it's a manifestation of your greatest fear It's a manifestation of what you really don't want to have happen And then when that happens when someone distances from us in relationship It evokes all of our fears that brings them even more to the surface We start really feeling abandoned and then that can have kind of a detrimental effect for various reasons and so In terms of attracting someone back or attracting anyone or creating anything in your life Like number one is always going within and starting within and learning to find your own center and security And knowing that you are amazing and and felt experience of being loved all of these qualities within first so that first step is really a self love step and you know, we could we could start there and like go more into this but Because your outer reality Including your relationship with other people is going to be a reflection of how you're feeling within The last thing we want to do while it's normal and it's understandable Spinning out into major panic and and identification with being left and feeling like you're abandoned All of these things just kind of perpetuate the problem So we always want to start with kind of getting recentered and coming back within and landing in your own inner sense that You are loved You are amazing You are incredible and the more you truly truly truly know this you have to create a matching reality out there Including how other people show up with you that are that are seeing you as that person as well Is that makes sense? Yeah, I mean that's I mean We're absolutely aligned in in this kind of thought process and the women that are very familiar with my work They know that the first step that I talk about in all of this stuff Is I talk about this idea of like believing in your own value, right?  I try to say it in a way so that people will understand it But it it can actually be a lot deeper than that right a lot a lot deeper than that because A lot of us like what you're talking about a lot of us have wounds that we we grow up with Right, and so if you come from a space like where you felt like you're abandoned as a child And you have this story of abandonment you take this story of abandonment with you in your life you and there's a whole bunch of different ways that that can manifest in in your Your reality right one of the ways is that you might end up trying to prove yourself And if you've been on my channel at all you know that what's the worst thing that you can try to do If you want a man to value you try to prove that you're valuable Because women who believe that they're valuable women who believe that that they deserve really in their heart they deserve to be cherished They don't try to prove that they're valuable because they they uh, they know they don't need to Right, they know it and so there's nothing to prove. It's already an integrated knowing of who you are. Yeah Right, right. Yeah, and so one of the things that that I Kind of teach and some of if you end up getting some of my programs out there one of the things that I talk about is changing the way that you look at your story and You know if you're coming from a place of feeling like you're abandoned as a child Even if that maybe that was the case or the situation You're going to behave in a way Of of coming from that space whereas if you change the story, right? There's there's a story that happened before you were abandoned There's a story that happened after you were abandoned Right and and these stories a lot of times aren't the stories that stick for the women the story that sticks Is this abandonment piece because that was kind of the most emotionally triggering experience that they had and so um You know, I guess we probably shouldn't get into super deep stuff here, but just coming from a space, you know It's it's vitally important if you want to attract somebody into your life If you want to end up in a relationship where you have a guy who who really Loves you and cherishes you you have to start out really believing that you deserve it You have to start out coming from a place where you you you believe that you you really love yourself You're in this place of like, you know, I deserve love I deserve, you know all these great things that I want in my life Because if you don't what will end up happening From a practical standpoint is that you'll start accepting in to your life things that aren't really what you want Right that are reflecting that part of you that doesn't feel worthy And then the more you're resonating or identified with not being fully worthy or not being fully valued Then again, yeah the way I speak about it Then you have to create a reality Where where life or your relationship tells you in some way Yeah, you're Not worthy and it's telling you that because it's a reflection of your own belief system So yeah, I'm entirely on board with everything you're saying and the way I speak about those practice Maybe you use this term too. It's used a lot. It's this. It's the practice of self love and that's really learning Like to deeply continuously come back to your own Value and just like really recognizing on a deep and eventually unwavering level that You you are entirely worthy and you are entirely beautiful and you are a catch and you are Magnificent and when you know that and you don't need any proof from the outside To know that you just know it then the way the outer reality including men relationships will Treat you will reflect that they will see you as that woman who is entirely worthy entirely valuable all of these things But it's it's an inner process and it's a self love process first for sure and so so A lot of women when they come to me, they're like, okay, but what do I do? You know, what do I text him? What do I you know, what do I need to make happen? And so what would you say to a woman who's wondering what she should specifically be doing in this situation? Hmm Well, especially I mean the way you just said it would be the first indication my I would say don't do anything Don't do anything So I know you talk about this Matt and I talk about it as well And the reason I say that is because the way you just said that to me Matt, you know in the example There's an element of chasing There's an element of panic There's an element of I've lost this thing It's gone. I'm incomplete. He's gone And before you make any movement This is my perspective before you make any movement You want to the only thing to do is to be working on yourself So you are no longer in that experience of panic. He's gone. Where'd he go? It's like, okay If you are in any any of those feelings the panic It's an indication of like, okay now is time to focus on me and start remembering how incredible I am That's where my focus should be it should be coming towards myself Rather than out towards that other person and the reason is is if you start Putting a lot of energy out towards him Typically if you are in still in the state of feeling abandoned you're in an experience of lack They don't love me. I've been left Where are they? Are they going to come back? I'm scared. I'm alone. All of these feelings are the experience of inner lack And essentially it just means something's missing. He's missing. Love is missing me And when we start taking action from that space We really from a manifesting perspective can only produce more experiences of lack and actually, you know, I know a lot of people know this I've been there too. I get it Who's had success chasing down their person and then turning it around and being like, yeah, you're right I'm in love with you. It's not usually how it works because and it's because your state of being your state of being is still in that lack, so if you're really Panicked and wondering what to do first step self love And then there's a question on what to do. What does that mean? Like, okay, then we could talk about that but don't do anything with him Until you have stabilized in yourself Yeah, no, and I I totally I say the same thing, right? Like if you're chasing somebody, what are they going to do? They're going to run, right? Because you're chasing them and so so don't so don't chase them, right? And uh, I actually have this concept that I talk about and it's called the wholeness breakpoint And the wholeness breakpoint is this place where you feel whole and you feel strong And you feel like you don't need somebody else, right? Like when the some Psychologists talk about relationships.  It feels like it feels real gross, you know It feels like desperation. It feels like weakness it feels like ah, you know, it's like, you know when magnets when they're the same kind of like You know charge and they're pushing ones pushing the other one and the other one stays the same distance away when you're You're kind of pushing it on the table or whatever that that's that's kind of what it is Is you're just like pushing them away, you know and um, so if if they want to so what what what do they need to do to Kind of rectify this what what would you say that they should should be doing should they just be sitting and waiting? Should they be You know trying to get their mind off of it. Should they you know be pulling up daisies and you know picking off flowers and say you know I know I mean and it's it's like i'm going to keep coming back to the the same answer and we can also Of course talk about what to do specifically with him, but if you Feel that you have that experience of desperation around a man It's a really good indication that you need to refocus your energy back into yourself and one way to think about this is You know I actually haven't even really spoken specifically about this too much on my channel, but it's like If we're manifesting our reality and your reality is a reflection of what's going on inside of you A way to think about this is you want to start treating yourself the way you want this man to treat you So don't don't be going after him and trying to like, you know You wouldn't doing whatever you feel called to again It's usually your your own fear and panic that is going to make that movement So you need to start really focusing on yourself and it's like wait a minute. How do I want to see myself? How do I want him to see me? Okay? I want to feel like a goddess. I want to feel like a queen I want to feel showered with love. Okay. How can I start using my imagination? My inner worlds to start to feel that energy is now coming towards me That attention is coming towards me. I'm starting to fill up. I am a catch. I am a beautiful being I don't need to make any movement It's coming towards me. We use our inner world is what I call it imagination is another word to use You use your own inner process to start shifting How you feel in this situation and you want to kind of put the brakes on any sort of chasing And instead almost turn that momentum with your own inner process of It's coming towards me. The love is coming towards me Attention is coming towards me and you're building a new inner experience of being loved And what you find is when you start affirming how beautiful you are affirming what a catch you are affirming How lovable you are when I say affirming telling yourself and literally feeling the truth of it You'll start to fill up and the urge to chase will go away You'll actually start to expect them to come towards you And that's what you want to be doing. That's the state you want to be putting yourself in So anytime there's that fear state, it's okay. It's really normal. It's just an indication. Okay, wait a minute I need to be telling myself how beautiful I am. I need to be feeling loved being showered on me I need to feel myself as a catch and that's where your main practice should be and and trust me I mean those who have done these practices myself included like it does shift the the dynamic very very Quickly and potently when you are no longer chasing and you're starting to expect love to come towards you And and some people here may have even actually experienced this before and and Like if you've if you've ever been in a space where you're you wanted your ex to come back and you you wanted to come Back and you're thinking about them all the time and then at some point It's like you move on right and then you get that text message and you're like why Why when I move on is he now texting me, right? And it's because you've come to a different space, right? You're no longer coming from the space of needing this this, you know in and you know, I don't know What's going on in the world, right? Like we can talk about All the different potential attraction mechanisms there are in the world However, what what I do know is that Is that when you come from a different space different different things end up happening, you know and You know and I think that's that's kind of the most important thing That you can think about in terms of this and and also, you know when you're when you're coming from that space where you're basically You know what shelly was kind of talking about there in in my interpretation Is it's like this space where you're you're giving yourself love, right? You're giving yourself all of this stuff because you're you're shifting it, right? You can there's two ways to get your needs met in the world One way is to try to get it from the outside world, right? And you can you know and a lot of people do this and a lot of women that come to me are coming from the space where they're They're trying to suck love from the outside world. They're trying to get their happiness and they're like, well, you know I've we've had women On some of on my page before they've been like, oh well You know, um, what's good? Why would I want a man in my life? If if he's not responsible for making me happy and and I'm responsible for making me happy What what good is he then right and and it's uh, which is really really interesting Um, because if you're coming from a space of happiness, you're coming from a space of love You're coming from a space of value And you meet with a guy who's really awesome and you guys have a great connection together It's like it just amplifies it, right? It's like this multiplication effect that happens when the two of you are together And then it's not like I am dependent on this man In order to feel happy in order to feel alive in order to you know Feel like i'm valuable and that i'm loved and instead it's like the two of us can You know journey through the world together and and our love can combine and it can turn into this greater bigger more Exciting thing that we have together right Totally. Yeah, I mean I I understand it because I have been one of those women in the position of Really thinking it was a man's job to fulfill me And when I was it that at that time in my life It was so hard for me to feel fulfilled by a man It just wasn't happening and it's almost like the way I'm thinking about it as I'm listening to you talk matt. It's like It's not um how we would normally you know necessarily logically think about it But it's like what you give yourself You can expect that someone else is going to give you the same like it's going to be a mirrored Experience and what you don't give yourself You're going to find in relationship. You're not going to receive it either So it's like either you're giving it to yourself and you're going to receive it from someone else Or you're not moving it to yourself and you're not going to receive it from someone else so You know Yeah, the way I teach about it is like the inner is creating the outer the inner is creating the outer what you Learn to give yourself and land in as the truth of who you are in terms of relationally. So I'm loved I'm cherished. I'm adored what you land in You know it automatically comes and that's been my experience too It's you know since I've been doing these types of practices maybe over five six seven years something like that The way that men treat me has fully changed And it's directly because of how I've shifted the way that I treat myself. It's like I I cherish myself. I see my value I see that I'm you know a beautiful person inside and out and so The men that come into my life. They see me those ways too. It's true. It's a direct reflection Yeah, well and and it's difficult to describe to somebody because we can sit here and talk about it Intellectually and talk about what it's like and what it feels like And if you haven't really experienced it, you probably just don't have any idea what we're talking about Which is why you have to experience it, right?  I don't know, you know Yeah, I'm totally and so so my suggestion is that if you're in kind of this space where you're feeling this lack and you're feeling Kind of this separation and you're feeling like you don't really love yourself like you're not being loved like you Like you need a man to love you in order to feel loved Like you need a man to make you happy and all those things my my suggestion is to just jump in right jump You know my even better here. Here we go. John go over to Shelly's website That's the link I'll put I'll put a link in the description as well And go pick up some of her programs and just dive into she has some self study programs that you can get You can join her email list. You can learn more about what she does And just pick up what she's doing and learn about what she's doing and just dive into it And and experience for it for yourself because that's really what you need to do if you want to To understand this and get this and it's it you won't understand it unless you do it and once you start doing it It'll change your life. That's right It's true. I know self love can seem like um, you know Self love isn't the only thing I teach But it is the foundation of all these practices because I really think it is the way to get The love you want in a relationship. It's like truly if you do nothing, but self love You're gonna have men being madly in love with you. It's just how it works. I've I've experienced it personally I've had many many clients experience this and it's self love. We can get a little we're like What is it? I don't quite get it But trust me it actually isn't easier and simpler process then It can sometimes feel like and so I talk a lot about I have a like a self love playlist on my youtube channel I talk a lot about it and um Yeah, just start with rebuilding your own self and you will automatically see the changes in your reality in terms of how Men see you and treat you you will see the changes. You will see them quickly Yeah, absolutely and the the men will start changing right you start changing what's going on in you And the men in your life all of a sudden will start changing and it'll feel like it's magic And it'll it'll seem like it'll feel like they're under a spell or something and and There's a woman here. Um, we're gonna you mind if we take a couple questions. So There was a woman here that was Asking I don't see where the question is at the moment, but she was asking about Uh kind of differentiating herself or making herself special or different and doing this actually does that right? Because when when you're doing this Most women aren't doing any kind of work like this. They aren't loving themselves They're you know a lot of women especially in this day and age or kind of they're they're going to these Kind of more masculine jobs and they're a lot of them have kind of lost that kind of interglow And so When guys see them they just see them from kind of this physical standpoint of like am I physically attracted to her And when you come from this glow the glow of self-love this glow of of really nurturing and loving and caring for yourself you it's like a totally different thing happens and When a guy sees you he he won't understand it like he won't have any idea what's going on Right. He'll just see you and you'll be like there's something different about her And that's kind of strange pull to you He comes over and starts talking to you. He won't have any idea why he likes you so much He'll just know that really likes you for some reason and I've seen this happen over and over and over It's like the coolest thing that I've ever seen happen and I actually had a friend Who uh date he was he was one of those guys that dated he he only dated like Stick figure model girls right and he did this like it was kind of a joke among us Among our friends about how like the kind of women that he dated it was always these really thin blonde girls and One day he ended up in this relationship with this girl that was totally different totally different Right. She wasn't she wasn't like super overweight or anything, but she wasn't like a super stick thin girl either And we're we're all like Like what's going on here, right?  Like why are you like what's going on with this girl? You know like there's kind of this thing and you're normally, you know Go for these girls and you're going for this girl right now and he's like he's like yeah, I have no idea What's going on? All I know is that when I see her I just like want to just grab her and hold her and Just make love to her and kiss her, you know, and I'm like I'm like cool man, you know and it was that's she had one of those interblow things, right? Yeah, I don't know all the work that she was doing or you know if that was something that she naturally had or any of that kind of stuff, but It's it it immediately makes you stand out from everybody else totally and I actually would add to that because um I would say also You can affirm things. I've personally done this. I still do this. You can affirm things such as I'm a special woman Men seeming as a special woman men tell me that I'm different than other women Men see something a little different in me. You start affirming the truth of that and men will tell you That they see that in you that you do see they will literally tell you back to you the things that you've been affirming for yourself I've had this happen many many many times where I'm affirming particular qualities specifically this one that um I'm special. I'm unique. I'm different and it's okay for us to affirm these things You know, we're not taking away from other people by affirming that for ourselves You're just choosing how you want your life to be and how you want to be seen So it's totally okay to affirm something like that and it will you will receive Comments from people that say the exact same thing that you have been affirming So that's another way when you know you are special When you know you stand out from the crowd when you know you are different They will see you that way and this is how this works What you know about yourself they will see in you and that's why doing this in our work is so important Beautiful ad beautiful edition. So thank you for that. Let's uh, let's grab So just me says I just need to know how to keep his interest in me as he is recovering From his nasty divorce. I am being myself doing my thing. It would be great for him to open up to me. We aren't communicating Should I answer that? Yeah, what do you think? What do you? Yeah, well the first thing I would I just noticed was I need him to keep his interest in me So there's a little bit of fear there I would just watch that and don't um get because it sounds like you're needing to get something from him So again, that is always kind of stemming from an inner experience of lack What I instead would be doing is affirming things such as he feels comfortable with me He feels safe with me. He's starting to open up to me more He's grateful to have me during this time. He's opening up more and more I feel his love coming towards me. I feel him opening to me There's nothing for me to worry about. I don't I don't need to control this He his love is coming to me. He's opening to me. See what I'm doing I'm affirming the reality that you want to create or I'm I'm speaking the reality that you want to create and by doing that You start to shift and change when you start to feel comfortable that he is opening up to you Rather than I'm scared. He's not going to right the question is a little bit in a little bit of fear that there's a problem Well, maybe there's no problem. Maybe he is opening up to you He is feeling more comfortable with you and as your You know inner experience is shifting to believe that you are molding and shaping your outer reality to take that shape and form So that would be my advice in that Yeah, I mean I I totally agree with you one of the things that I say a lot is What you focus on you feel and what you feel you receive And if you're focusing on What what isn't there the lack, you know what you're afraid of all the things that could go wrong What you need to have happen and you must happen, right? um, you're gonna end up feeling those things in your body and then you're going to be kind of um You're that's what you're going to be receiving into your life And so you you have to Shift the way that you think about it shift the way that you feel about it shift your focus And focus on something else and I I could sit here and listen to shelly Say different affirmations all day long because it just it's like I hear I'm like, oh, yeah I mean that's what I'm doing I'm taking people into that new reality, right because all all potentials are open to us We we start aligning with the reality we want we start embodying the reality we want and that's what we create So, yeah, that's how you do it Cool. Um, so shelly, do you do you still have some more time to? Okay, cool. I just want to make sure I'm respectful of your time here. Uh, so Uh as says Matthew, I wish you could just make a million phones of yourself so that we can all just date you I appreciate So anonymous user says my boyfriend pulled away Was silent for three days even though he specifically promised he texted me three days ago Now he texted me complaining that I didn't reach out. I acted warm with love He then gave me an attitude. What should I do say? Oh, I like that question Will you keep it up? Yeah Can I jump into it? Yeah.   So to me that's just a clear this doesn't fly for me and When I speak about fear. So this is more of the fear self love and when I speak about it It's not necessarily you may or may not express this to your partner But what's more important is that your own that you know what your own boundaries are And you are available for a particular type of treatment and you are not available for another type of treatment And some people talk about it. You may talk about it this way like this is high value You know you you value yourself a high value woman. I guess is a kind of a word that some people use It's like look, I will not be treated this way When you know that and you are not available for it However, you get that point across Uh people typically get in line actually with that because you are claiming who you are And how you will be treated. So how to specifically deal with this situation Um, there's a lot of different ways you could deal with it, but I would essentially say, you know, that didn't feel good to me That didn't work for me. I'm going to take some space I'll contact you when I'm ready or something like that like like just essentially saying that doesn't work for me And it seems like we're saying it to the person but more importantly you're saying it to yourself I won't be treated that way And the more you are unwavering in I will not be treated this way You know, this is how I will be treated and I will not be treated this way The more you are clear about it and you uphold those boundaries You will not receive treatment like this. It's when you kind of allow it and then it's like he's kind of doing this And you're like not really standing up for yourself. That's when uh treatment like this perpetuates And so I would have your boundary. You're not trying to get a new response from him That's the other thing that's tricky about this. You're standing up for yourself for yourself First and foremost, this isn't going to fly for me for me because I love myself that much. This doesn't work for me And you uphold that I promise you people get in line That is absolutely true And I could talk about that all day Actually, let me just give a real quick refresher on one of the the communication things that I talk about So there's three way main ways three main ways to communicate high value right to communicate your value The first way is through standards right, which um You know, it there's definitely a place where you could be communicating your standards here if you wanted to the second one is through boundaries, which sounds something like, you know, I Love connecting with you and I love hanging out with you and I love when we're together However, and then you say whatever your boundary is You know and then and then at the end you ask him if he you know will agree to it And then there's a third way, which is you walk away from the situation, right? You don't argue You don't try to get revenge.  You don't try to make him do something you You know, you can either communicate and then walk away or you can just walk away and those those are really the the best ways that in my opinion to communicate when you feel like your Boundaries have been kind of pushed or you feel like maybe you're being mistreated or something like that And so grabbing one of those things Standards are are usually a little bit better Before the boundary has been broken. So standards the way that you communicate standards would be things like, you know I really like it when right like, oh, I love it.  It's just it makes me feel taken care of and I I just I love it, you know and and Um, you know, just or or doing, you know, maybe you aren't even doing it Totally specific because that's kind of like really specific about what he's doing You know, it could just be like, you know doing what you say that you're gonna do Like I really love it when you do what you say you're gonna do, you know, it's just it's so hot to me You know and just communicating that in that way because when you do that the guy's like I'm gonna do what I say that I'm gonna do All the time You want to like give focus to what you love that they're doing and what you focus on you're gonna grow So yeah, keep going. I'm just loving what you're saying Yeah, so so those are the main three ways. I I think we're just gonna leave it there for the moment and Move on to the next one though So, um, let's see. What else do we have here? Yon says hello from Philippines. Know your worth and love yourself first. Thank you, yon Sensual brunette says going to see my sp. Does that mean specific specific person? I know that from your videos. Yes Soon to pick up something so I have been practicing that he is so into me and only me from today on wish me luck Awesome. Good luck Yeah, know your worth know your worth know your worth absolutely know your worth So kathy says but we can't just blindly believe we are entirely valuable unless we really have something to offer How can we prevent From being ignorant? Hmm my gosh. Wow interesting kathy. Can I jump into it matter? Yeah. Yeah You are entirely valuable Regardless of anything actually and and this is my perspective.   It's the truth of your essence Yes, you make mistakes. We all make mistakes. Are we perfect? No, we're not perfect But are we valuable? Are we entirely valuable? Yes And so that's just a choice for you to start seeing yourself that way and when you do Not trying to convince yourself, but you actually start to truly feel yourself as that truth as being entirely valuable You'll change everything Yeah, it's beautiful. Very well said beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. I got shivers up my spine listening to that so I've I've kind of a different kind of approach at what I'd like to say to you Kathy and first You know, it's it's kind of an interesting. I'm just going to have a side note for everybody who's kind of reading this right now Kathy's doing something that we call mismatching in psychology, right? it's kind of like this meta program of the way that she is communicating which is she is finding what's You know missing which is something that a lot of people naturally do And here's the thing Kathy. You don't have to blindly believe that you are valuable Because you do have something to offer Right and the assumption in this is that you don't have something to offer Which is really really interesting, right? And because we all Have something to offer just your presence Is something that you can offer Somebody and you'd be surprised, you know, it's it's interesting because a lot of times Especially if you're coming from a place because I came from a place of feeling like I wasn't valuable You know, I came from a place of feeling like I wasn't worthy Most of the successes that I've created in my life and I've created a lot of successes in my life Have been from coming from a place of trying to prove That I was worthy and no matter how much I did right like I I was a special operations combat soldier, right?  And then I built this business and I've done all these things, right? And no matter how much I did When I was coming from a place of not believing I was worthy It never made me feel like I was worthy. It never did and So what I found When I kind of shifted the way that I thought about things and got more curious and then started questioning Some of these beliefs that I had What I found is that just my my existence my my beingness my Just being around people like they value it, right? They want to be people like being around me They like connecting with me. They like me being in their presence and so You know, you have something to offer you have something to offer The people around you you have something to offer the world You have you probably have lots of things to offer And so when you say unless we have something to offer, there's nobody out there that doesn't have something to offer and so you know, my suggestion would be to kind of Like question this idea that you have in your mind that you don't have anything to offer And instead embrace the full reality that you have An infinite amount of things to offer the world And that maybe you don't realize how special and valuable and amazing you actually are and so With that we'll move on to the next one I fully agree. Yeah, that feels super in alignment with I would I believe as well?  Beautiful. You go girl. You go girl So Loreley Loreley says that's what I just did today to end those abandonment feelings Not sure what you did, but good job Keep doing it Mm-hmm Jazzy says it's all about manifesting that you're valuable beautiful whole et cetera. Mm-hmm Yep Oh, Kathy's argue Kathy comes back with the mismatch That's great, but anyone can say that so how can we different be different from each other? Yeah, you know Did you want to go ahead and say something? You can you go first and I can say something too I was just gonna say like everything that you do is different, right Like anything that we do now even if we both Sat down even if we did the same thing every single day even if you're a twin Right, I dated this twin for a while and her and her twin were totally different, right? They grew up in the same environment. They did a lot of the same things and they were just they were like opposites Everybody everybody's different right everybody's got different things and so You're always different right you can look at everybody's the same and everybody does all the same things And there are a lot of things that we have similarities in right like men and even men and women Have similarities in a lot of ways humans and animals have a lot of similarities in a lot of ways humans and other Objects and things and stuff in the world.  It's it's like The essence that we are all innately whole lovable worthy pure That's the same and everything is sourced from source energy, which is that wholeness all is Everything is completely worthy and the way that Source or life lives its way through you Kathy is completely unique to you There is no other Kathy. There's no other you And so there is exactly it's like there's this the the deep essence that is Absolutely the same or similar the same And then the unique expression is entirely unique and when you recognize that you are unique There is only one you and that that inherently makes you special as well You know then then you see that Yeah, absolutely And we have a lot of comments. I think oh, yeah Yeah, I mean just lots and lots and lots of comments. All right So spotless says if a man dumps you and then comes back How do you test him if he's going to stay around? Hmm The way I would think about it is you just take it step by step And if it's in a mature type of relationship, you can also communicate that like, you know I'm I'm looking forward to us reconnecting. I'm just going to be feeling this out step by step and in that sense your Your um, you know, you don't want to I wouldn't personally if it were me I wouldn't want it to come off like I'm testing you Your your energy towards him or making him feel like I'm watching you or I don't trust you It's like you can give him the benefit of the doubt, but make him earn Earn it back, you know, you go slow and you see how he shows up moment by moment or day by day and you um, kind of slowly move back into the relationship While just Making sure that he's kind of showing up the way that you want and if he's not then you start to reevaluate Step by step. I mean that's essentially what I would say. I'm curious what you'd say matt Yeah, I mean I so If you have been following me at all and do you have listened to there's something that I talk about called the investment principle And women who are a part of my program the forever woman program They know that a man's investment in her is far more important than her investment in him And the more a man invests in you the more that he'll feel connected to you the more he'll feel Like he's in you know wanting to fall in love with you more that he'll backwards rationalize in his mind That he really likes you that you're special to him that he doesn't want to let you go and all those things Well, there's another thing that you have to look at as well And this is patterns because we all live in patterns. Everybody lives in patterns. We eat in patterns we sleep in patterns we live our lives in a whole bunch of patterns and One of the things that you want to do is just look for the different patterns that are going on in a guy's life Like what he does how he acts, you know, all the different things right if you talk to a man some Some dating coaches say that you shouldn't ever talk about a man's past or his past relationships and all that kind of stuff I just agree because when a guy tells you about his past relationships, it's like he's showing you All of his patterns Right and so he's he's telling you what's coming For you in your relationship And if his pattern is that he hates all of his exes You know, what's coming for you in the future if his pattern is that You know, he really loves the people in his life and that there's just something that wasn't right about it or whatever Right, you're you're learning you're learning about what his patterns are and who he is and and what is likely to come From spending time dating him and being in a relationship with him and you know People break out of patterns sometimes absolutely for sure when there's enough pressure or enough pain or enough Desire there, but most people don't and so you just want to make sure that you're in a healthy pattern or a good pattern Or a pattern that can lead into the direction that you want it to go into and so I mean, there's a there's a whole bunch of different things that you can do but my suggestion My number one suggestion would be to look for patterns Okay, let's see Doop-de-doop-de-do anime freakish one says Met a guy and felt a great connection timing was off and it didn't go anywhere But we keep in touch dating other guys, but can't find the same feeling How do I not get discouraged? I mean I because my style is manifesting and I I've had enough evidence in my own life to know that I am creating my own reality. I am attracting men to me. I am attracting what I expect to feel with a man That's what I would do if I were you I would So it's hard when you met someone and you had a great Connection and then the timing's off. So it didn't work out and then you can start being Focused on the lack like oh, I lost the connection. Right. I lost that connection What I would try to do is refocus your attention to okay that experience of great connection exists I know I can feel it again. Here's what I feel like what it feels like So you start cultivating it inside of yourself in your inner world start cultivating. Okay Here's what my new man feels like I I believe or I trust or I hope even that I can have this again I don't like hope so much, but just really trying to Trust in the process that you are creating your reality. I don't know where you stand with that if you do believe that And internally start creating the the imaginal experience of being With this new man with a beautiful connection and maybe he there's even more things That are there that you want that makes it an even better aligned relationship And when you start to cultivate it internally, what happens is You start to feel That the relationship almost is here, you know, yes, it's first still just happening in your inner world But you start to feel satisfied when you're imagining a man shower you with love internally you start to feel the truth of this reality And then what my experience has been and really what I teach people is like if that becomes a predominant knowing if you trust and know That you are going to feel that that your man is looking for you right now that you are creating your relationship right now It's going to be the best thing you've ever felt before it's going to be better than any connection You've ever felt before if you're affirming that and believing it within it is going to show up out there And actually it's going to show up quickly like the more you just are landed in that knowing It is going to show up what we have to watch for is thinking I lost the one thing I could ever want I lost the great connection now. I've lost the connection. That's that's as you can probably see That's like saturating yourself in the lack of the experience. You want to reorient to no I can have this again And or I can have even better and this is what it's going to be like and I feel it and I believe in it That would be my advice. Yes Absolutely spot on I totally agree with it If I was to say I'd probably give you two things here and just to kind of Throw on top of what shelly was saying and it's not even In addition to it's just kind of um saying it maybe a different way Number one Here's something that in my opinion you should write down On your wall circle it put a bunch of stars next to it Maybe put a smiley face on it and look at it every day and here's what you should do is Always remember to make your future your future Brighter than your past right or better than your past So look at your future as this place where you'll have more love You'll have more connection You'll have more of all the things that you want Right when you're looking back at this past and there's this guy and this thing that happened and You know, you're you're you're stuck in the past. You're holding on you're grabbing hold of the past and you're like Oh, I wish that this was back here, you know And there's nothing wrong with remembering the past and learning from the past and Remembering, you know great experiences that you had but if you're living there and that's where you are It's very difficult to create the future that you want to have right. You can't you can't row to a new You know a new shore if you still have your boat tied to the dock, right? You can't go anywhere, right? You're stuck there And so you have to you have to let go of the dock In order to row to a new place and so you uh, that's that's really what I'd say Is just make sure that your future looks brighter than your past And I had a second thing, but I can't remember what it was But but that's really important that that one I'd say is You know And that that's really what shelly was talking about, you know And she was kind of giving you the technique for it, which I totally recommend and suggest that you listen to and so Man, we have I mean just dozens and dozens more questions and comments And we're not going to be able to get to them because we're hitting the top of the hour here But thank you everybody for being here.  And I'm like No, no, I just do the dating stuff like this is this is my life. I love it You know, I love serving the women in our community I love I love all of this and I feel like it's such an honor and a privilege For me to be able to do this for you and help you and and have you trust me On your journey to getting into the relationship that you've always wanted to have And I I feel honored that shelly's here with me and talking to me and if you haven't yet Go check out her website right there Pick up her programs join her stuff go to her youtube channel go and watch her videos You know and really really ingrained even if you don't believe in manifestation Even if you don't believe in any Any of the stuff that she talks about will happen as a result of you doing this My suggestion is that you still go and do it and let me let me tell you why The reason that I think you should go and do it is because you're if you want like an actual Psychological reason for doing this you'll actually train your subconscious mind Right and you'll train the way that your brain works and you'll not only will you experience a better life You'll be filled with love and joy and happiness.  Yeah, and then thank you so much for being here with us. Yeah, this has been so fun I love it. Thank you for having me so fun All right, everybody, uh, we will I'll speak with you again soon. Maybe this weekend maybe next week We'll see when we're doing another live stream. I don't have it scheduled yet, but it will be soon So thank you everybody for being here. We have some of the most beautiful amazing awesome women In the entire world as a part of our community. So thank you so much for being here I will speak with you again soon and always remember you are worth it


Okay, my name is Manuel Salazar, I'm from the Global South, but I'm also a marriage person. I've been here for 17 years and experienced in South America also how all companies do, there's, you know, over there. And one of the things that I've seen in all this time is that we are a species that are more reactive than we are proactive. And unfortunately we deal with the situation is when it's in our, you know, in our own steps. So the eight out of 10 people here in other things and climate change is not really a threat for them because they haven't, you know, suffered as it is. But it's very different when you go to Klontarf and you talk to people in Klontarf and they say, oh, yeah, we got a problem because they, you know, have all these floods all the time. So I suppose one question that we have for you guys because I read the model as the report is, if we have an example where we human beings have been proactively, you know, acting on try to address a situation where, you know, obviously it's going to affect us at some point, but we don't see it anymore, right? So the COVID situation, for example, so we all think that it was just a, you know, sickness that comes to us at some point, but in reality it was we human beings, you know, threatened wildlife, taking wildlife animals and bringing the disease to us. The cost of living, for example.  And the solution is to switch into renewables. So those connections over there, we climate and the situations that we are suffering are just not there. So then we have somehow to be more proactive as a species actually to address those issues that are going to be a problem in the future, but at the same time make those connections that we are suffering right now and it's also linked to climate change somehow. So it's basically a question and also, you know, lay down this situation.


Grand Rapids versus Duluth East, if tonight's matchup sounds familiar, while it should, the Thunderhawks and Greyhounds have met in five of the last seven section 7-2-8 tournaments with Grand Rapids coming out on top only once last year when they went to state. Tonight the two teams took to the ice once again for a chance to head to state in a rematch of last year's section title game. First period Thunderhawks strike first, Blake McLaughlin connects 4-21 into the game, 1-0 Grand Rapids, but almost in its later right or Donovan ties it up with a power play goal for Duluth East and we're tied at 1 after 1. Then 55 seconds into the second period, Grand Rapids regains the lead, a power play tally by Michael Heitkamp, but East answers Garrett Worth. With the equalizer, we're tied at 2 after 2. This one would go to 00T where Micah Miller comes up big, the wrist shot from the blue line. His third point of the night, a hand in all three goals as Grand Rapids for the second straight year, a 3-2 victory over Duluth East. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


This is the way to do it. This is the way to do it. Change requires work. For it to be witnessed, one has to take up the mantle. The youth are focused on bringing that change they want to see. Tom Ogalo will take us through. So Tom, karibu sana. What would you say is your motivation to tackle the daily life? First, I'm Tom Ogalo from Tisumu. What motivates me to tackle my daily life is, as you have said, I want to see change. And as a young person, I have always believed that for me to see any change, I have to be involved. And that goes with the tagline, change through involvement. And so what do you do? Give us a backstory. I, as Tom, I work with Jijenga Youth Organization. Jijenga Youth Organization basically is a youth-based organization that tries to see on how best we can be able to involve young people to be able to change. Our vision and mission always is to provide young people with that particular space and a safe space for them to be able to realize and actualize their full potential. Other than working with Jijenga Youth Organization, I work with us for the Street Foundation. And this foundation just focuses on trying to promote reading among street-connected children, another vulnerable children. With street-connected children, we also try to impact in their lives the aspect of trying to be leaders. This is just enhanced more because through book reading, we believe that one is able to get the right knowledge and skills to be able to make their own informed decision. And that's really the bottom line of anyone being a leader. In regards to Jijenga Youth Organization, we also have a program called Jitakesa to Pandemic Campaign. And this is an environmental program. And this particular environmental program seeks to focus much on trying to create green spaces at the community level and at school level so that young people are also able to enjoy the benefits of having a clean and safe environment. I'm quite linked to other organizations that probably may be interested to list. One is Global Student Forum that tries to focus on trying to promote rights of college and university students at a global level and also on part of World Ocean Day Youth Advisory Council that tries to advocate for clean waters. And that's with my interest being on Lake Victoria and our Indian Ocean that we have as a country. So let me ask, what inspired you to join all these in addition to starting Jijenga? What inspired me is first, I had the opportunity of engaging or volunteering with other organizations in the past but as a result of my engagement, I really felt like we were not being involved as much and therefore I decided to take it as my personal responsibility to expose myself to other various opportunities that are available and that's why I opted that instead of me waiting to be under control of someone else then why not start my own and other than being my own boss then also join other platforms that would really help me enhance my network. So that's really my inspiration. I want to be involved at a personal level and not only do I want to be involved at a personal level I also want to involve other young people. So as a young person, how do you feel being your own boss? It's one of the toughest things being your own boss because being a boss then you have people who are looking up to you to provide for them, to give them guidance and sometimes you look at yourself and you're like if I can't guide myself how am I going to guide other people? So it's a challenge but it's also a fun experience because being a boss then you are given some respect and this respect also enables you to be able to engage with other people who are also we call them more experienced in our space so you get that opportunity to network with greater people here. And have you studied what you're doing currently or you've ventured into a different career? Professionally I'm a sociologist. We are waiting graduation but I think whatever we studied and whatever I'm doing yes they are quite related but much of it is as a result of me trying to have a better world. So really what we studied was somehow limitative in regards to ideas and the content but whatever I'm doing it's something that has been motivated by the virtue that I'm able to identify various issues at a community level and solve them. And so what does Jijenga Youth Organization entail and its activities? Jijenga Youth Organization as I said is a youth-based organization and we are based, our headquarters are in Kisumu specifically although we have other chapters in other places like Mombasa, Kericho, Nairobi and Siaia. Our thematic areas tries to focus more on trying to promote environmental conservation, climate change advocacy. We also have the promotion of education aspect through the Ask for the Street program. We have social protection as a thematic area because we work with street connected children and we try to see how best we can be able to help them access healthcare services and that's following our social protection program. We also have health programs and these health programs trying to focus on sexual reproductive health and mental health and these sexual reproductive health and mental health programs are implemented at a school level. Yes. Okay. And how come in these chapters they are so broad and how did that come about? It was as a result of need. Most young people wanted to engage with the organization and since we could not really limit or restrict young people from engaging with us we thought it would be wise that why not create other branches at the volunteers need where they are based. So we were able to first have volunteers who moved from Kisumu to Nairobi launching their own chapter in Nairobi and currently it has a membership of over 50 volunteers. In Mombasa it was as a result of an activity that we were supposed to do in Kisumu and then out of interest there is some three of our participants but interested that why not also have such a program in Mombasa. In Kericho also it was as a result of one of our volunteers moving to Kericho and sharing with the organization that yes currently I moved to Kericho and there is a gap that I think we can fill and we thought then why not let's just have it in Kericho. In Siaia I hope so happen to be a mentor I'm mentoring other young people to start their own organization so as a result of these mentorship sessions we were able to now get people who are interested now yes there is that organization in Siaia that I'm mentoring but they also want to do or have or own Djenga at Siaia level and therefore the Siaia level just focuses specifically on mental health issues. And why do you think this task and hunger for change is among the youth? I think for the longest time we young people have been labeled to be people who wait for connection to drive but these young people that I'm engaging with are just interested to see a change and seeing this change is what drives them more. Yes they believe that they don't have the financial capability or they don't have the necessary connections to move but by the virtue that they want to see change they are really driven that if in another place a young person is doing the same thing why not us? So how do you advocate for behavior change within your community through Djenga? As our tagline goes change through involvement for behavior change we believe that by engaging our volunteers and by engaging community members and we have a keen interest you realize most of our programs happen also among young children the street program focuses on children the educational program focuses on children the health program focuses on children we believe that through our engagements with them and through involving them in our programs from the design stage to the implementation stage then there is that aspect of if someone can be able to involve me from the start and continue with me throughout the journey to the end then all these leads to behavior change because they are involved and they feel like they are part and parcel of something that is productive. How do you do these campaigns how do you reach out to your target audience and how do you mobilize your message to reach the broader spectrum? As an individual I believe in the power of social media and I also as an extra skill that I was able to learn through graphic design and creating various engaging designs I have been able to reach out to quite a number of people and people get interested if you are able to present your engagement in a manner that is attractive so I take advantage of the skill I have to bring more people on my engagements and I also have I can say it's a strength of always trying to engage and after engaging and ensuring that I have a follow up session with the people I engage so that they feel appreciated and if you call them now to the next engagement then they can be able to also invite their other fellows to come join your sessions and what type of hands-on activities are you involved through this Djijenga Youth Organization? Yes, some of the hands-on activities that we are engaged in at organizational level first is the tree planting exercise and we try to go with this quote of Wangari Madae not until you dig a hole, plant a tree water it and see it to grow then you are planted naturally so we try to involve our participants specifically in schools because we try to create green spaces in schools that yes probably you are not there at the seedling stage but now you are provided with the tree ensure this tree grow and see it grow other than that we also try to promote in order to promote sustainability of the environmental program we bring in the aspect of sports so people who engage in sports act as our ambassadors and they also act as tree ambassadors and they see it grow other than this we also have like literal trends of our volunteers and we try to train them on various skills so that not only do they come to the organization to be able to help the organization run the programs but we are trying to also help them build their own skills so that when at one point they leave the organization then they are more dependent not for someone's help on making or even creating basic things what skills are these? all my volunteers currently have skills on graphic designing all my volunteers currently have skills in event organizing and planning all my volunteers are also currently I can say they are good facilitators because they have been trained over time and also they have been taking through various advocacy advocacy trainings to just help them enhance their skill in how to present various issues that we are trying to handle as an organization yeah and how does one reach out to volunteer? it's mostly through advice that we make and other than that we also encourage young participants or young youths to be able to also visit our offices directly other than visiting our offices directly you can always apply through our website DjengeU.org and then slash volunteers and then you get the application process yes so what is your goal through this Djenge? my goal is to have first inclusive society at the end of the day and even in 10 years time I would wish to see my volunteers even having their own organizations and involving me as a partner so I just want to have like a society that first is all inclusive and a society where all young people are able to be involved and can participate in various engagements without being judged or criticized that you are a young person speaking of partners are there people who you work with on a personal level other organizations that work with your organization? yes we have quite a number of partners and listing them here may probably take a whole day or something they are quite a number but we have partners such as Betami and Betami we work closely with them in regards to engagements such as Chapati Festival where we try to just promote I like food so we try to use food to share the love and just to make them feel appreciated we have partners such as Kenya Red Cross and we work with them in our environmental programs the tree planting exercises we have partners such as Raise My Hope community project and they work with the elderly in the community so as an organization we just try to add in or give them some extra hand in their program we also work with the county government it's quite critical because I believe in working with the government both the county and the national government we try as much as possible to involve them directly in our activity so that they can also be in a position to tell us what's there for young people and how best can we engage with them in a manner so that it does not look like the government and the young people don't agree at any point so we try to involve them directly we have partners with Think Climate First this is an international partner that tries to advocate more on climate issues we also have a partner called Save the Environment Pakistan and this partnership was just as a result of us trying to see how best as a country or as participants in Kenya help Pakistan in their current situation and we have quite a number of partners another one is Kisuma Environmental Champs and here this organization tries to just see how best we can involve kids in environmental conservation you talked about Chapati Festival can you explain further? Chapati Festival I'm passionate about food I like well-cooked Chapati and the reason why we started Chapati Festival is for the longest time we had been doing engagements in schools but as we went or as we go to the schools we realized that there are other orphans and viable children in these particular schools and some even come from orphanages to go to school so with the help of the schools we were able to identify some orphanages that provide or bring students to the schools and we opted that other than just going to the school for their engagements we can always visit them back home because they are this group of individuals who don't get the opportunity to be visits to get visits from parents because they don't have parents so probably if they have parents the parents have neglected them so we are like that third guardian or second guardian who takes us at their responsibility just make them feel appreciated and make them also feel that there are some people outside the world who still care about them so as we do Chapati Festival we don't restrict ourselves to just food we also try to mobilize other resources to help these orphanages run but because we want to bring more people and believe that also food is the best way to get into someone's heart we also involve other young people and also see and feel the taste of sharing and giving out or serving the community so this chapati, are you the ones making them? Yes, you buy from the start to the end I believe most of my programs are direct involvement of young people so you cook, prepare eat together everything is in you So how has this journey been so far? As a young person one point the journey was hard because I started the organization before turning 18 and first it started with the position from family level people felt like you are two young to start something and when the family now accepted it now reached to organizations other like-minded organizations were like you know what you are coming into this space with too much pressure you are giving us headaches and you can't continue working with you and at one point you are getting a position you organize something you reach somewhere you find another team there and then since you don't provide refreshments of the other team the team members or the target group that you targeted decided to give you engagement and go to the other activity so there was that unfair competition with other organizations but other than that where even the community members at time resist you because in this ideology of if an organization comes to visit a community then they have to come with goodies but my organization at that particular point didn't have any goodies to provide but to provide the right knowledge and the right information as per the exit but I think we have managed to pass that particular stage and the big elephant in the house has been now the volunteers you know for any organization to work then you have to have a team and one challenge has been every volunteer who comes for your program expects that you will have to give them goodies and you are like okay I can't give you anything because also me I am depending on probably someone else for survival and you are here expecting me to survive you so it gets hard over time we have had clay overs of volunteers and then we also now struggle to get new volunteers but I am quite thankful because I think for now 2 years in a row I have had constant volunteers people who are driven not by the need to have money to serve the community so that's not really a challenge but it has been a bonus to me having individuals who are really interested to serve the community with their whole heart since you started before 18 what do you intend to steer this ship in the next 5 to 10 years as I said in the next 5 to 10 years I expect that the volunteers I have currently probably will be independent and I also don't expect to die in Djijenge I also am trying to explore other options as I still work with Djijenge I want to see Djijenge being this organization that has capability of employing other young people and having young people who are really able to drive the agenda of community service and in the process having these for the volunteers that I'm already mentoring having their own organizations and me having them on board probably as partners and involving them or even telling them on how best they can be able to handle various issues as they work so the end goal is to have first the team I have currently having their own organizations and the team that will be coming being in a position to be dependent and the organization just having the capability of employing more staff to involve the community members I love how you are committed to your work the sense of I am doing this not for me but for the greater good that is so encouraging as a youth and what can you tell someone who desires to see change among the community at an individual level but does not know how to start I get that question quite a lot and the best solution or the best answer that I usually give is don't wait for someone to tell you to start it's never too late to start you can start and no one will stop you from doing what you are doing and there is always someone who is watching you never know who is watching so whatever you do do it passionately and automatically you will get people who will be willing to support you in the journey Asanti sana for coming I have learnt a lot and I am sure that hata wewe ume elewa kitu keep it going the volunteers very soon watakua employees and employers do not wait to start it is never too late or too early to start do not see that as a demoralization rather it is a motivation that you are doing something great I am Nyongwesa Grenis and this has been youth in action this is the way to do it this is the way to do it