Everybody forced here rippin 2022 NT FIFA world to world cup soccer hobby 1 box number 11 random team style I should peek at the results again. Thanks for joining everybody and good luck Results link is in chat. You can always find them on the website results quick link on the website is the very bottom of the page Or you can do what I do. I just search the search bar Who are we getting in this one? Let's see a I'm calling a major one. Yeah, I'm calling like a nasty like either super really up-and-coming young player like I was gonna say after we haven't seen Pele yet Yeah, I'd be a good time. That'd be a good guy to pull. Did you hear that Frankie G? Got a hitless mosaic pack and pull the Pele auto. I did pretty wild man pretty wild Yeah, that is the benefit also in these NT breaks the hitless packs are mosaic road to the world cup All right, start over the Netherlands rookie Denzel Dumfries numbered 11 of 99 Move this is licensed. Yes. No, it is actually in Bob's first licensed pack-pulled auto Argentina Palo de Bala numbered 63 of 99. But yeah, Panini still owns the the rights to Soccer Yeah, they have international soccer. I believe it's all international because they have Euro as well Imperial there's UFC select hybrid currently on the website on card United States auto Timothy way eight of 25 Nice hit United States on card Timothy way You better be big Yeah There you go, US That's a pretty one Steven L. Shirawi patch card 10 out of 10 Italy El Shirawi Legend right there ML S legend I think Is he still with What was he with Montre? He was with one of the Canadian team Montreal, Toronto My favorite Sweden colossal materials Jonas Olson 10 out of 25 That's a match war and that's pretty cool Swedish legend right there Olson Blake way is definitely about to blow up. I agree time of materials Jersey, Brazil Tiago Silva 78 of 99 is probably his last World Cup. I would think what's he like 37 38 Still playing super well, though Fearless signature Argentina Nikolas Birdie birdie, so I don't know why I had so much trouble with that birdie. So Nice hit there for Argentina 34 49. Oh nice. Yeah on card auto Spain pal Torres 63 of 99 There you go Spain is a pretty well balanced box I think a massive but a lot of nice on mark nice hit mark Netherlands now with a peerless signature of Mark over Mars.  You have got to be kidding My gosh this case this case is it's like congrats to all who bought into this case Like a cheat code, I don't even know I've never seen a case like this Netherlands auto Mark over Mars there 10 out of 99 Oh, oh my god, that's so disgusting We've got For the Netherlands a one-of-one Marco van Basten auto Rick E with the Netherlands. Oh My god, this case is incredible. There you go, Rick. The case that keeps on giving there we go Oh my goodness on card timeless talents Marco van Basten Reese, I don't think we're gonna see any more messy autos This is yeah, then Basten's really good This is ridiculous case is unreal. Oh My god, let's see what's in this last box You have to stay I know Go This case is insane. There's been a one-of-one or messy in each of the first three boxes Not like a small one of what's either like big name one of ones moving on to box number 12


I believe you can answer your own data analysis questions. Do you? You should stick around for another episode of Code Club. I'm your host, Pat Schloss, and it's my goal to help you to grow in confidence to ask and answer questions about the world around us using data. In the last episode, we converted the notes we had been keeping in our README files into BASH scripts. This was a great step forward towards having an automated and reproducible analysis. You'll recall that we created scripts for downloading our reference files and files from the RRNDB. In the exercises, we wrote scripts to download and install mother and to use mother to align the sequences from the RRNDB against the reference alignment files. This was great because we could call the scripts from the command line and everything would be done for us. From my experience, the challenge then becomes remembering the files and scripts that downstream scripts and files depend on. For example, I anticipate that the RRNDB might update its database this fall. What else will I need to run if I want to update the RRNDB files in my project? Well, our sequence alignment depends on the sequences from the RRNDB and the script that downloads the RRNDB files. So I would have to run the download script before running the script that aligns the sequences. Ask yourself, what else would I need to run if Silva or mother puts out a new release, which they likely will before the project is done? This is a lot to keep track of, and our project has only just begun. Therefore, we need a tool that will help keep track of all of these dependencies. A few years ago, I was at a conference on reproducible research method, and I heard Carl Broman, a statistician at the University of Wisconsin, give a talk. He said that make is central to ensuring the reproducibility of his work. That really got my attention. This was especially true since I had only ever used make to install software from source code. But the more I thought about it, the more using make made sense to me. Make, or more officially, GNU make is a program that keeps track of dependencies. The developer, that's you, writes rules that tell make what files need to be created. That file is called a target. The rule also indicates the dependencies or as are called prerequisites to building the target as well as the recipe for generating that target. Thinking back to the example from the last episode, the target is the alignment file generated from other. The prerequisites include the R&DB FASTA file, the Silver Seed reference alignment, and the script that ran the alignment, and the recipe involved running that script. If the target file doesn't exist, or if any of those dependencies are newer than the target file, then make will rerun the rule to generate the dependency. But what if the script to download the R&DB file changes? If I tell make to generate my alignment, I will see that the download script is newer than R&DB FASTA file, and it will then re-download the R&DB FASTA file. This will then trigger rerunning the script to generate the sequence alignment. GNU make is installed with bash, so it's available for people using Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows 10 bash system. I know GNU make, so I'll be using that in our analysis. An alternative is snake make, which also seems pretty powerful and popular. But when I was trying to learn it, I got frustrated just installing it and gave up. So perhaps down the road, I'll revisit snack snake make, and we can do a head-by-head comparison. For now, I'm pretty happy with make and think you will be too. As I go forward with this project using make, we'll become baked into our workflow pretty much like get flow has become. As I mentioned, when we install software from source code, we typically enter make install. My project, my goal for this project isn't to install software, rather it's to generate a manuscript that I can submit to a journal. At the end of this project, I hope be able to write make manuscript.pdf, and it does everything from downloading my data all the way through generating a PDF version of my manuscript and its figures. If we can do that, then we'll have great confidence that our analysis is reproducible. But it would also be great to rerun this analysis with a new version of the RNDB, silver or mother. This would allow me to see how robust my analysis is to updates in the database and these other files. Not only is reproducibility great for transparency and getting things right, but it's also great for improving the rigor of our work. Given the growing popularity of Amplicon sequence variants in microbiology, if I'm going to critique their use, then I really wanna make sure that my analysis is rigorous and that anyone can reproduce what I'm doing. But first, I need to show you how to use make. In today's episode, we'll ease into the use of make and in future episodes, we'll see how we can improve the sophistication of our use of this great tool. Be sure to like this video and subscribe to the Riffimona's channel so you know when future episodes are released. Even if you don't have a clue what Amplicon sequence variants are, I'm sure you'll get a lot out of this episode. Please take time to watch today's episode, follow along on your own computer and attempt the exercises. Don't worry if you're not sure how to solve the exercises. At the end, I'll provide some solutions. If you haven't been following along but would like to, welcome. Please check out the blog post that accompanies this video where you will find instructions on catching up, reference notes, and links to supplemental material. The link to the blog post for today's video is below in the show notes. I'm over in my GitHub repository, my account pschloss, and then schlossrnanalysisxxxx, 2020. Again, that xxx is where we ever end up submitting this to a journal. That's where the journal title would go. That's my convention scheme. Anyway, let's go over to issues and we're gonna file a new issue for converting and creating a make file. So I'll click new issue and I'll say create make file. And we wanna put the following targets into our make file. So we will do the silver seed reference alignment, the RNDB FASTA file, the RNDB TSV file, the RNDB NCBI taxonomy file, the RNDB RDP taxonomy file. And we also wanna put in our motheralign.seqs script to generate aligned RNDB sequences. So that's our task for today. We won't do them all during the main part of today's episode. I'll save some of them for you to do in the exercises. So this creates issue 10. I'm gonna go over to my terminal and navigate over to my project. So we'll do CD documents, floss RND analysis, LS in there. And I'm gonna do get status to see we're on the master branch. And I see that I've got a few leftover mother log files from a previous analysis. These just kind of take up space. I have get ignore ignoring these. I did that in the exercise from the last episode. For now, I'm gonna go ahead and remove these. I can do RM mother and I don't have to type out the names, the full names for everything are copy and paste them all. If I have a pattern, I can do mother.star.log file and that star will match those three different numbers. So that if I run this and LS, I now see there's gone. If I do get status, it's not complaining because I'm ignoring those, right? So normally if you delete a file that's being tracked by version control by get, it'll tell you that you deleted a file. So we're in good shape. I'm gonna go ahead and do get branch issue 10. Get checkout issue 10. And we're switched to branch 10, issue 10. And again, if I do get status, I see I'm on the right branch. I'm gonna go ahead and fire up atom so that we can create our make file within atom. So I will do atom. I'm gonna go ahead and create a new file and I will save this called make file. And this is gonna be in my project root directory. So again, we need a file that starts with a capital M and then lowercase ache file. This makes it easier to use make to have this file called make file in our project root directory. There's other ways to call, there's ways to call other make files or files that contain your make rules. But this, like I said, is the easiest. So I'll save that. And we see now in my file tree on the left side here that the make file is stored there. Great. So again, as I said in my introductory remarks, we're creating rules. And so a rule consists of a target and then a colon followed by prerequisites. So prerequisite one, prerequisite two, maybe prerequisite three. And then in the next line, and inserted with a tab, so I'll go ahead and write tab is our recipe. So this structure is what we're going to use for all of our rules that we're going to create today. Now I've put these in as comments and you know they're a comment because they start with the pound sign. Same kind of thing we saw before when we were making bash scripts in the previous episode. The first rule that I wanna create is to generate a rule and recipe for downloading my silver seed alignment. And so because I can't remember the path and the full name, I always like to come back to my terminal and to use LS to get that name. So I can do data references, silver seed, and type LS and I see the file there. So that's great, it lists out what I want here because I don't only wanna copy one thing, I don't wanna copy the path and then also silver seed v138, I'm sorry, this one, dotted line. What I can do is I can add a star to the end of my LS line and that will include the full path, the full relative path to where I am, which will give me this file. So I can come over here and I can put that as my target and I can do the same thing with the code directory. So I can do LS code forward slash star and I see what I want here is code get silver seed dot sh and I can then go in here and I can set that as a prerequisite. I then indent over a bit and I can then do period forward slash code, copy that in and that will then be the recipe for using this dependency, which is the script itself, to generate that target and I save it and so it's important to save your make file before you try to use it. I can then do make space and then I can put in my target, which was right here, run that and I get an error. So this is a very common error. I know exactly what happened. The error is six missing separator stopped. So if I come to line six, which is the six, there's an error and the problem is that I put in spaces rather than a tab. So go ahead and replace that with a tab, save it and then rerun it and everything works. Now, this kind of surprises me that it ran because we had already run it last week and everything seemed fine. So what we can do is we can use that LS-LTH that we talked about last time to understand why it's retriggering to run the rule. I can do LS-LTH code and I see that getSilva seed was generated on July 20th at 1017 and if I do LS-LTH data references, I see that my Silva seed align was from March 4th. So it's using the timestamp from what it downloaded as. And so what it's saying is that the script getSilva seed is newer than the target, right? So the prerequisite is newer than the target. So it says rerun the rule. So that's not really what we want. So what we're going to need to do is modify our script here, I'm going to go ahead and modify getSilva seed SH so that it uses an updated timestamp. A way that we can address this issue is to use an argument with tar that we use to extract the files, which was the dash M. So I'm going to go into getSilva seed SH. I'm going to put it before the F because the F is referring to this archive file. And so I don't want to put the M after the F because I'll probably get an error. So I'll go ahead and save this. And then I'll come back and rerun my rule. Extracts, everything is good. Let me redo LSLTH data references Silva seed. And you'll see that sure enough, my align file now was created on July 22nd, which is the day that I'm filming this. And so that now is newer than the script LSLTH code. And you'll see that my align file was created at 12.45 and the script was created at 12.44. So it should be in good shape. So if I rerun this make rule, it says everything is up to date. This is beautiful, right? The only time this isn't beautiful is when you change something, you rerun it and then problems happen. Generally it's the problem that I forgot to save the file that I was modifying. Very good. We have our first rule in our make file. Let's go ahead and get our R&DB FASTA file. So again, we'll do LS data raw star. And that will give us this file, the 65.6 16S RNA FASTA. So that will be our target. So that's my target. And the dependency is gonna be in code. And this will be get R&DB FASTA files. And again, tab, period forward slash run that. And the file that I need to give in an argument because you'll remember that last time we also talked about using variables that we can pass in to the script. And that is going to be the name of the file. So this now, if I make this, should download and put into the correct place our R&DB FASTA file. So I'll do make my target. And it says nothing to be done. We're in good shape. Let me just double check again, LSTH code. My get R&DB files was created on July 20th. And if I do LSLTH data raw, I see that my FASTA file, where are you? Right here was created on November 8th, 2019. So it seems a little bit weird that that rule didn't work. And so sure enough, I see the blue dot and I think I forgot to save my make file. So I'll go ahead and save that and rerun it. And it rerun through everything. So now I can look and do data raw. I'll do star FASTA. It's make it easier for me to find the file. So this was again created November 8th, 2019. Again, we have the same problem as we had with the silver seed file, where our timestamp of the FASTA file is older than the code file, right? And so we see November 8th, 2019. And for our code for get this is July 20th. And again, we can see that after we did the extraction, LSLTH, data raw, we're still looking at, where'd you go? We're still looking at files from November 8th, 2019. So what we need to do is we can use a function called touch and we talked about touch probably on the first episode of this series as a way to create a file. Well, if you touch it, you're also modifying it or updating the time on that command. If I did touch data raw, RRNDB, RNDB, 5.6, underscore 16S, FASTA. And then I rerun my LSLTH. I now see that that file has a timestamp of July 20th. So I need to add that touch into my script. So I'll go ahead back to get RNDB files and I will add to this at the end, touch data raw, forward slash quote, dollar sign archive, right? And now if I rerun my make, it'll run it and it's already there so it doesn't retrieve the zip file but it then pulls it back out. If I run make again, it says it's up to date, which is great. And so again, if I do LSLTH data raw, I see that my first file from 1257 is my FASTA file. And if I do LSLTH code, I now see that get RNDB files. It has the same timestamp but we know that this was created or saved before we saved our FASTA file. So we're in good shape. Okay, so we see we have to do a little bit of tinkering or what's called refactoring of these shell scripts to get them to work well together. Now we have, let's go ahead and do the next step of generating our alignment of this FASTA file. And again, we've already created that and we see it, but if I do LSLTH data raw star align, the file that ends in align, we get this path. So this is gonna be our new target, a colon. And now we have two dependencies, right? So the silver seed is gonna be a dependency. Actually we're gonna have three dependencies. And what you'll see if I make my font a little bit smaller that these kind of fit on the same line now that if I have too many dependencies or my dependencies names are too long, I can put a backslash at the end of the line to continue that. I can then tab over to make it look kind of nice. Maybe I won't go quite so far. And I can add my other dependencies. Again, including a backslash to complete the dependency. And I also need my third dependency. I misspoke there's three, which will be the alignseeks.sh, but that's in code, right? Very good. So I'll save that. And then I will call a period code, forward slash align sequences.sh, save that, make sure I saved it. I'll go ahead and copy this because we wanna generate that target. And now if I do make that, it complains, right? So it says no rule to make target code align sequences.sh needed by data raw, stop. That looks right to me. So if I get an error like this, it's typically because of one of two reasons, either there's a typo or because I've created dependency, but that dependency doesn't exist or there's no rule to create that dependency. In this case, there's a typo and really it's the same thing, right? So this file doesn't exist anywhere in code, but also there's no rule to create it. And the problem is that there's a typo and that's why it doesn't exist. So if I remove that S, save it, now come back and run this, it'll go. Now I would encourage you to not run this on your own and let me do it because this is gonna take about eight minutes to execute. Well, wonderful, we've gotten through our alignment. And again, if I run make on that alignment script, then everything is good and up to date. So something like this took about eight minutes to run and sometimes some of our other analysis steps might take even longer. If we're not sure how long things are gonna take and we wanna double check what else gonna get executed when we run the rule, we can use a special flag with make, which is dash n. So I do make n, make dash n on my script. It then says everything's up to date, we're good to go. Now what I'd like to do is demonstrate again what all happens and when we perhaps lose a dependency or update a dependency. You don't necessarily wanna run all this on your computer because it's gonna take too long and it's kind of the same mother output that you've already seen. So I'm gonna remove my silver seed file. So I'll remove data references, silver seed, align and I'll also remove my data reference, update a raw, rrndp, underscore 16s, fasta. All right, so those are gone now. And if I do make dash n on my alignment file, we'll see what all needs to get run or will run, right? And so again, we see that it's gonna run getsilva seed.sh. It's then going to get my FASTA file. It will then run alignment sequences. And so if I run this now, without the dash n, I see that it gets the silver seed, it got the rndp files and it's again coming into align seeks. Again, this will run for eight minutes. I'll skip ahead by editing. So that's executed. Let me go ahead and do another make dash n on this to double check that everything is good and it tells me that everything is up to date. This is excellent. Again, to kind of illustrate what was going on. If I do lslth on my target, that was made at 120. And if I do lthdata raw fasta, that was made at 112. So that precedes the other dependencies. That was also at 112. And then lslthcode align sequences was a couple days ago. So we see that our target is newer than the prerequisites. Otherwise, make would trigger itself to rerun that line of code and to regenerate any dependencies that were also out of sync, if you will.  How many targets should you have? When should you have make generate a target? So a couple of factors come to mind. So first of all is the question of how long does it take to generate the target? Where am I getting the target from? For example, this silver seed aligned file, I'm only gonna use probably to generate the aligned version of the RNDB file. But I don't wanna keep pinging the server at silver over and over again, whenever I generate that alignment file. Through testing and validating things, I might run this a dozen times. I'd rather not have to ping their database, their website a dozen times. Same goes for the RNDB. And so if I can download the file once, have it stored, I'm good to go. A related concern is if the target takes a long time to generate. You might have a series of commands or programs that you wanna run and perhaps really all you want is the output. One of those steps early on might be finicky or might be really big. And if I perhaps introduced a bug further down the pipeline, then every time I run that pipeline to test it, I have to redo that finicky or a large computationally intensive step. So if I can pull that target out as its own target, I can generate it once, I have it stored, and then I can proceed with the rest of the pipeline. Again, that is related to this download issue, but instead of downloading, we're building something that takes a long time to generate. Also, if you have a file that's gonna be the dependency of a bunch of other rules or more than one rule, then that really should be its own target. Revisiting the issue tracker, we've made targets for the Silver Seed reference alignment, for the RNDB fast day file, as well as running align seeks to align the RNDB sequences against the Silver Reference Alignment. I'm gonna save the rest of these for your exercises. As always, I have a set of exercises for you to work on. After I describe these to you, go ahead and pause the video, work through these on your own, and then once you've worked through them, go ahead and press play to see my solutions to the exercises. So the first question asks you to run this make statement, which looks like a pretty good make statement that would work with our make file. To make this target, you'll get an error message, okay? So go ahead, get the error message, and then figure out what the error message means and what the problem is and how you can fix it. The second question, our alignment script only has one line. What are the advantages of putting that line into a bash script versus in the body of the recipe? Finally, I ask you to finish and complete issue 10. So I hope you found those exercises engaging and helped you practice your skills a little bit more. This first question asks you to identify an error message and then see what you need to do to resolve the error message. I'll go ahead and paste this in. So make data references, silver.seed, v138, down the line. Looks good to me. Run that and it says, no rule to make target data references, silver.seed, v138, down the line, right? So you might see the error immediately. I have errors that are frequently very obvious, but I can stare at them for 15 or 20 or a couple of hours and not see them as being so obvious. So let me go back and look at my make file and see if I can forget what the error is. And I see, sure enough, I forgot a directory in the path. I forgot the silver seed directory in this path. So if I come back and after references, I add silver underscore seed, forward slash silver seed, v138, down the line. Everything is good and we're up to good shape. The second question asked, why do we have this one liner recipe for align.seeks? And as I mentioned before the break, there's a couple of reasons why this is a good idea. So one, the align.seeks step might be computationally intensive. It took about eight, 10 minutes to run on my computer with 16 processors. Maybe you don't wanna sit around for that, to go through that every time, as you're perhaps testing a larger workflow. And so it makes sense to pull out that computationally intensive step, build the target so you don't have to worry about recreating it every time that you're testing your workflow. Another reason to have it cast aside in a script is that that script then becomes a dependency. And so if I say add a argument or remove an argument or I might add a line to the code, to that script file, then it becomes a dependency. And because that dependency has been updated, it will then trigger make to go ahead and rebuild that target. Versus if I only put that one liner in here in place of my bash script, that's not being tracked by make. If I modify the arguments or the different commands that are being run in the recipe here, then it's not going to trigger make to update the target. Unless again, it becomes one of the prerequisites. The third exercise asks us to finish building out the rules for issue 10. So we need to get RNDB, TSV, and the two taxonomy files. So these are gonna be very similar to what we did up here for getting the fast day file. And we will again, copy that if I do LS, data, raw. I see my TSV file here. So I'll copy that as my target. And my dependency is also going to be that shell script. I'll copy this down and replace the fast day file with the name of the TSV file. I'll go ahead and make this. Maybe I'll do make dash N to see what it's going to do. It says nothing to be done. And sure enough, there's nothing to be done because I forgot to save my make file. Remember that if the target has already been made and is up to date, then you will get a message that says it's up to date. Nothing to be done is not the same as up to date. So nothing to be done for this typically means that there isn't a rule to build that. So I need to go ahead and save that. Then my blue circle went away. I rerun it with make dash N. It tells me it's gonna go ahead and run this. I'm cool with that. It runs it, we're good to go. And again, if I do make dash N again, I see that it's up to date and we're in good shape. So be sure you save your make files. So that's the TSV file. Now we need to do the NCBI and RDP taxonomy files. And those are, here's the NCBI file with its path. I will make this the target. And I will bring this down as the file name that's getting fed into the shell script. And while I'm here, I'll go ahead and replace the NCBI with RDP for the second rule. And I'll save it so that my blue circle goes away. And I'll go ahead and try to make this again to test with the NCBI file. It's gonna run that script. Great, that's all good to go. And if I do the same thing but with RDP, that goes and that's good to go. And again, if I try to make it again, it tells me everything is up to date. So that closes out those topics. So I do get status. I see that I've got a make file that's not being tracked as well as the two shell script files that are modified but need to be committed. So I'll go ahead and do get add code, get RNDB files, code, get silver and then my make file. Get status, very good. They're all staged and ready to be committed. Get commit dash M, create or automate pipeline with make file closes number 10. So again, let closes number 10 will tell GitHub that the issue has been closed and to go ahead and close the issue. So that's good. Just to make sure everything worked. I do get status, nothing to commit, working tree clean. I'm on branch issue 10. Get checkout master, get merge issue 10. That's great. That's great and we're ready to push. Now coming over to GitHub, I closed the issue with that commit and we're good to go. Going back to the issues, we're back to our one issue of trying to accumulate different resources about Amplicon sequence or ants. Thanks again for joining me for this week's episode of Code Club. Be sure that you spend time going through the exercises on your own to help reinforce your new skills. Even better would be for you to take the ideas we've worked through today and think about how they relate to your current projects. How about easing into using make by writing a rule to do a step in your current project. I'd love to see how you're adapting what I have covered in this and other episodes of Code Club. Please let me know in the comments below what type of data analysis questions you have and I'll do my best to answer them in a future episode. Finally, be sure to tell your friends about Code Club and to like this video, subscribe to the Riffamonus channel and click on the bell so you know when the next Code Club video drops. Keep practicing and we'll see you next time for another episode of Code Club.


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And we've done like I actually did a two-parter and people if they want to know the whole background of the book and what the content of the book and the stories behind the book definitely Rudy Sarge was got a book his sort of Yours is like part one of rocky like rocky one and Rudy Sarge is like rocky two It's sort of like it continues along the timeline of Randy Rhodes's You know journey, I guess Yeah, no, uh, Rudy did a very good book and um, it was a great follow up to my book Because it really chronicles kind of, you know, everything up to the The last minute really Randy's life So I feel between me and Rudy. We documented the whole journey pretty well Very very cool. Okay. Now. Here's the big thing. Here's the big news right now Everybody go buy yourself a book. All right Yeah, go buy that. Look, it's really good. I swear to god I read it And here, okay, I'm gonna show everybody so to the the the big news is from no no remorse records And I'll show you also their logo because they've been so gracious right here. Look at this No remorse records Is that the bag? Yeah, it's a bag. Did you get one? No All right, well What they've done and okay, so from the information that I've gathered They kind of were and actually I'll go back even even further than that anyone. I've ever interviewed Be it Kelly Rhodes be it you Be it Frankie banally over the years. I've always asked about the first two quiet ride albums Because when I was a kid it was sort of this mysterious You know these mysterious albums that no one could ever get sort of You know that were mass produced. I was one of those kids. I could be seriously never get Even though you played on them they wouldn't give you any No, they gave me five copies All right Yeah originally when when they when it first came out they said here's your copies and one went five And they said, yeah, yeah, well, we need the rest of them, you know to give out the radio stations and record companies and all this So, you know, you had five records one of which you might want to keep for yourself You know, so that left you with four copies to give to your parents here, you know Your your your personal roadie, you know, whoever You know really didn't uh give us too much room to work with as far as having I um When I when I spoke to Frankie And I kept asking him and asking and asking are you ever going to release these albums? And the last time I talked to him, I guess before he died it was some sort of we're in talks I didn't know what that meant. He just didn't say any more than that. We're in talks Only only to realize fast forward to today that he was in talks and re-releasing you suckers right here right, yeah so It went from Kevin who had the masters. Maybe you want to tell everybody Kevin had the masters How did the where did they all go the masters? well What what happened here in this whole entire deal as far as the music itself I'm not even going to get into the can of worms yet that What's going on behind the scenes as as far as the release uh I can't a little bit but not that much but You have to remember, you know, what happened here Was basically everybody died I mean, that's the bottom line Kevin uh got uh had he actually had the original tapes to be two inch Or whatever they were and He actually had those and Kevin had a tendency to Not keep things in such great condition like I went over to his house once And he had this big box in his garage And he said hey, do you want this stuff? I want to get rid of it and the box was like staying from like a water leak And it was all beat up from from moving or or something. I don't know Everything in there. I've been in there a long time. You could tell by the box and So I started digging through the box and I find like piles and piles of negatives and pictures and all this and and I said well I said Why do you want to get rid of this stuff? And he says well, I don't need it anymore And I said well, I'll take them because I was a photographer at the time and there were lots of negatives in there that were uh nice formats that I like to work with and I had my own dark room, of course as a photographer and so I said, you know, these might be kind of fun to blow up, you know and So I took it And and when I was going through it would actually one of the negatives I found was was the actual negative for official promo shop, which I Usually send out with the book or give to anybody that requests them But there was the negative for that and that was an eight by ten negative And the way they used to do things back then was they Used a red film to blank out areas that they didn't want any of light to hit Because the photographic paper was not sensitive to red light So that blacked anything out and just looked at white and so um It you know, it was all set up with all the logos and the band name on there and everything and I had never worked with a negative that big And I thought wow, this is great.  It was really cool And there were a lot of other pictures in there too that I initially blew up or Put into sets None of none of which is really around anymore for me to do anything with but Kevin had a tendency getting back to the original thing he was messy He was messy. Yeah when it came came to things like that And so I don't know where these master tapes were kept in Kevin's world, but He got to a point where he wanted to Then you got a cock coming in My secretary will handle He got to a point where he wanted to do something with with those old tapes and that resulted in the brandy rose years however In the process of doing that he discovered that these tapes were basically somewhat destroyed and deteriorated And they had to be baked Which is a process they use to restore tapes like that He had that done that was pretty expensive, but he had a guy in florida who was behind all this pat armstrong at park records and Kevin then took the tapes And at this point I can only guess because Kevin never really went into detail with it about me. He always went into detail about What he did to make the songs better So I don't know what he did with these tapes. I'm assuming That they were transferred into some sort of digital format via the dvd cd. Whatever So that they could be managed in a digital way and So upon Kevin's passing This got handed down to frankie And upon his passing And apparently according to you I don't I've never heard that story that frank that there was already a deal working Because some of us are gonna be clear. He never said there was a deal He just alluded that i'm working on something. That's all he ever said to me So he was alluding something's in the works. He never said there was a deal He never said anything. He just alluded that jimmy and that's enough something's going on kind of thing Well Okay But it sounds like he had something going on so basically we didn't certainly agree on that and You know, I would how long when you had that conversation with him this this the question I would have How long before his death did you have that conversation? Now I'm the interviewer. Yeah. Yeah, okay So I mean has it been a year since he died or two years? I I'm trying to remember It's been at least two It's been at least two. So let's say when you released his last album with quiet riot In that time frame if you want to say two to three years ago But keep in mind I've asked him this question more than one time But the last time I spoke to him I kind of he kind of alluded to that something was in the works Which cross I cross reference with no remorse and they said They're they were working with Frankie for a few years now Then he passed away And then they wanted to complete it with the estate of Frankie. That's what they told me so That all makes sense to me Yeah, yeah, but um You know the thing is to some people not to me and not apparently to a lot of people but uh what what people ended up getting Was basically the first album left untouched because Kevin now it never got around to it. Yeah, let me let me just show this to everybody as Hold on. Let me just Look at this And the I didn't open actually open this guy yet I didn't crack it open But I do have because I just wanted to preserve this, you know I listened to the cd and you are correct It's just basically been remastered Uh and and touched up sounds amazing and the vinyl They did a hell of a job. That's the way it should have sounded in the first place.  So, you know, this sounds better You know This many years later, you know, glad you're getting anything, you know, uh, you know, uh, senior citizens such as this and, um It's just, you know I can understand people wanting the original original stuff But it just sounds so much better Uh, when I listened to quiet riot two, which was the first one I listened to Um Oh, this one I'll open it up as you can speak because this one I did open up Yeah, because I knew there was a lot more in there. Okay And we'll get to the audio portion of it. Okay, so I just want to show everybody this is quiet riot two and I'll show the posters first of all Where's the opening? Here it is the thickness This is the black version. Okay, there's different colors. This is so thick It's it's not like your typical album that you bought in the 80s or 90s.  It's beautiful Let me do the unboxing if you don't mind of what's inside this old This is really gonna blow everybody's mind So then you have the back cover and you do make a guest appearance Kelly you make a guest appearance on this album. Do you not? I do. Yes, right here right here in the locker If you take a microscope You can see kelly garney with quiet riot from the first album, correct Possibly on the first for obama. Yeah. Yeah You do play on this album. However, rudy sergeant was in the picture They they would have had to call us the slot team on me to make me do that cover because there is just no damn way I'd ever do that Now I just want to show everybody else this Now watch this is the inner the liner nodes. So these are all by ron sobel Where everybody knows as the sort of the early years of randy roads, right fantastic photographer And he has a dvd out called the randy roads years. You should go pick it up Look at this the words to the songs, right? And look at this Look at this beautiful great stuff beautiful Beautiful and then hold on is more You know what this is, right? You got this Well, there is two of them One's good. One's not Mama, look at this.   Would they have done it? I would have thought this All right. Now you can speak to the audio. Go ahead I would have lost it would have done it anyway. He didn't have any control.  Tell us about the audio aspect of this re-release Well, certainly it's been remastered and somebody did some work on them and I played the vinyl I got the silver vinyl and again, yeah, the the thickness of the vinyl is amazing My wife and I are very into vinyl. We have a very very large collection and run it through 70s air amps and You know because we want that sound and I was I was blown away by how good they sound um One thing I I did really like about quiet riot two was that When kevin did the randy rose years And he had told me he did this and he was telling me all about it about how he Took away everything on a song Afterglow afterglow. Yes. Yes acoustic version. Yes. Yeah Well, it's an acoustic version on the randy rose years But it was originally recorded with all of us And that version is included on these albums with everybody yeah, so what I did is I I tried to listen to this album and you know, I went on youtube and I listened to the original Right. Yeah. I was trying to compare it This album sounds so good and it's to your point. This is the way it should have been released Exactly. It's a pretty good album. And you know people kind of over the years said, uh, it's not so great the way kevin sort of Brought out the guitar how we brought out the vocals It was he remixed this and remastered this yeah kevin was actually very very good in the studio surprisingly good as a matter of fact and You know what he did He was traveling to florida to the to the park records to their recording studio To do all this work. So he was there quite a bit Then he'd come back and he'd tell me what was going on and playing the things All that and um But he put a lot of work into it. He was pretty proud of how he made them sound I only wish that that the first album sounded as good as the second one does now. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm kind of glad With this release that You really get two sides of the coin here In that with choir right one you get how how raw is sounded It doesn't sound that great and You know clearly any any records you hear from that time period sound a whole lot better to prove my point That you know, we really weren't working with the greatest people We were in really good recording studios We just didn't have the right people touching the knobs Let me ask you this did randy ever turn to you and saying, you know, I really want to rip on this song I really want to do a career, you know, just I really go out You know on this solo just really You know have like an amazing solo kind of like in the ozzy vein or the ozzy sort of vibe Did he ever come to you and say I don't want to do this pop it rock kind of thing or want to just rip Oh, that's a good question and has a pretty easy answer For one thing he'd never say that a million years He would just do it He didn't tell you he didn't advertise. He just did All his playing came from within him And he didn't have to you know advertise Now i'm really going to do something for you know anything along those lines He just wouldn't do it. He he just did it and you heard it anyway Wow Do you ever Like I've talked to kelly many times kelly roads and a great person, you know You know being the brother of such a legend like randy roads, you know It's like a blessing and a curse right because you are part of the legacy of the family But at the same time Every day wherever you go, they ask you tell me something about randy Tell me something about randy and it's great that you want to tell everybody But you know, there's some days where It gets a little out of hand. Do you have that? Does that happen to you in your life? It kind of happens to me a little bit I'm not as accessible Uh, you know as as road's family is where you know, I don't have a music school You know where i'm there and stuff like that, you know, the public can just walk in But you know what we all signed up for this And it just goes with the territory You know, i'm not a super famous person, but you know, I do I do have to At I answer a lot of questions from people once they find out And I actually try to avoid that But it does happen And uh, and then somebody comes up and they they want to know things and they want a picture To sign something in and and you know what that's phenomenal. It's just great and I love it As far as the roads family they get way worse than me Because of their last name But again, you know, they're very gracious about it and I'm not I don't mean it in any mean way. They're very gracious about it, but Yeah, they are they're very gracious about it.  Okay. There's people like a few people sending a chat And if anybody has any questions to uh kelly by all means I could ask Did kevin and this is the question that you and I talked about before the interview did kevin re-record the vocals Unquiet riot too. I'm still trying to figure it out Absolutely Yeah, you know Not on all the songs. I think it's more like punchins. He punched it up in the areas where it was a little weak Well, this this is one occasion when when time Generally sometimes our enemy When it comes to your abilities Um, this is one time when it worked out for the best gotta remember Kevin was pretty young when he did those out. So it was 19 years 20. Yeah. Yeah. Um And maybe his balls hadn't dropped yet Although he hasn't otherwise But eventually they did and he got this whole new voice when it came time to do mental health so I I'll never forget When him and I kissed and made up One of the first things he said to me was I finally learned how to sing Because he knows that I always said that he was the worst singer in the world And I had to admit he did sound pretty good now Yeah too, you know, I mean But but Kevin Kevin's voice developed because he got older And and he finally did, you know You know, now he was drinking and stuff like that, you know, which he didn't do in choir riot and You know, all that kind of stuff Does affect and change your voice. So in Kevin's case it did And he did have a great voice. I think Kevin's a fantastic singer one of the best. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, definitely did from everybody that I spoke to about Kevin He did never he never wanted these albums to be released I guess up until He did the quiet riot randy rhodes tribute album, right? He never wanted these albums to be released even the roads The Dolores Rhodes wasn't a fan of those albums either because she knew randy didn't want those albums to be released Yeah, I don't want to get into all that but just high level here Yeah, I as far as Kevin, you know, um Maybe he always planned on um Putting these albums up. I never I never heard him say That he didn't want to I never heard him say that You know, he might have said, you know, something along the lines like, oh, well those albums were shit, you know And he would have been correct, you know at the time but still, you know, they they had A certain amount of charm with it for the time period and and the people involved in in making them as far as the players but I never heard Kevin say that and obviously he had a plan because he uh Came out. It was his idea to come up with this whole uh, randy rhodes year snake That was all him and he came to me and he said, you know, will you help me with this? I said, yeah and um And we worked together on that As far as randy and his family not wanting those albums out um I think I think what happened there at least this is what I like to believe Is is that, you know randy was hyper hyper critical about his own play And when randy played something It sounded great But the next day or maybe even five minutes from now It sounded a whole lot better He was he was well aware of his ability to progress so You know having done the ozzy stuff and and done such such a phenomenal job On all that stuff. I'm sure he looked at these albums and went oh god Keep them in japan keep them in japan Not me. It's not me. It's some guy that looks like me. I never wore a bow tie See me wear a bow tie and ozzy. No, I'm not wearing them. You know, it's not me but So what I think happened is is randy probably made a statement that he hopes nobody ever hears him This was taken what I would consider to be As a personal opinion, you know a little bit too seriously because I remember the day we got our five albums and You couldn't have found any happier people in the whole world.  I just want to tell everybody This is an incredible book And everything you're talking about in detail is here. Okay about growing up with randy The starwood with randy quiet ride breaking and I should say a shout out to melissa who actually contributed to I think was it photos or I can't remember melissa Who was it photos or she had a but anyways bottom line is I want to tell everybody that that book Chronicles what you're saying right now in great detail Thank you very much for the compliments on that. I appreciate them and you know, I just tried to Play it down really honest, you know, me me with a somewhat questionable past, you know, one would be certainly justifying questioning my memory but I'll tell you what I remembered everything It it came back to me quite easily And I was fortunate enough to talk to a lot of people. I hadn't even interviewed them for this book And they reminded me of things I forgot about and so I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that now Melissa Whitney, that's her name. I just escaped me. I interviewed her as well. Melissa. Melissa. Who was the one of uh, kevin's Fat club. Yeah. Yeah, I don't uh, I don't know her I don't know anything about her. Apparently she wrote a book or something. I don't know. She did. She did. It's pretty good Okay, yeah, it's coming out. It's coming out. Yeah, go ahead. She did send me one. I'll send her one to my She's watching If you're watching But uh, but yeah anyways, I mean The album's got fixed up as best they could they're very old now A lot of time has passed and again, everybody's lucky to give everything anything for that matter and You know Sure, you can take Randy's feelings into consideration That he wouldn't want anybody to hear him playing badly But I'll tell you what, you know, these things are bootleg right off a straight vinyl and left and right And they have been for 30 years if not more than that And sold and everybody makes all this money and all this I I've just always just said whatever, you know, because I don't care about the money It's you know, I just like people to get to music and and so You know Randy Randy would at least be happy. They got remastered And I think so too. I think Kevin would actually be happy about this quiet riot too I Well, I know Kevin would be over overjoyed with them um But as far as Randy, yeah, he You know, were he alive he would understand You know, his popularity He would be very cognizant of that And he would say, okay. Well, yeah, I can understand why people want to hear this whole stuff We used to do it too. We loved Alice Cooper. What did we do? We went way back and now it's Cooper's history and studied it all as well as we could You know and listened to, you know, some albums That Alice Cooper did before love to death, which was really the album that just lit the fuse in me and Randy but And tell tell everybody his thoughts about black Sabbath You know, he wasn't really a big fan of black Sabbath back in the day, correct? Randy Rhodes. No, actually um We didn't know who they were We had absolutely no idea We went to see Alice Cooper and second bill on the on that bill Was a band called savage grace who had a big hit out called lovely lady of the mount which we really loved It was played on the radio We didn't know the record or anything. It was played on that on the popular rock stations of the time And uh, we really liked the song and we learned it of course anything we liked we learned and That taught us every time so We thought we were going to see savage grace. So we show up for the concert and they said Well, it's not going to be savage grace. They canceled.   So let's see what happens here and And when they came on It was like, oh my god, these guys are good They're really good and and their look was like how we were already dressing Some what but then we took their look and mixed it in with what we saw on Alice Cooper And that of course got us in lots of trouble at school Let me ask you And then musically after that concert we went out and we got we got a hold there out And we bought it and we learned a lot of songs That one song we learned in particular that I love to play because it had a A bass solo and it was when electricity came to Arkansas. That was probably one of our favorite songs And we continued to follow it all the way up until they got Ruby star. We thought she was great. We never went and saw them again But we listened to them and listened to what they were doing by the time they came along and did anything else Boom boi was happening and we were all about that Someone's saying black sabbath not arkansas. I think you're saying black oak arkansas That that's the band that you're referring to somebody saying not yeah, didn't that who you asked about?    I cannot figure out why We didn't like them Uh, the only thing I didn't come up with is that we thought the music was too simple Uh, if you do listen to something like black oak arkansas If you listen to that song, uh when electricity came to arkansas, that's a very complicated song But we learned it note for note And I learned every bass line in that song You know, but the black sabbath stuff was just like three chords, you know And to us it sounded very dated and For whatever reason not that the two randy was raised religiously. I was not Whatever the reason the the whole Sort of satanic dark You know rock angle. Yeah, I got it.  It was a very big deal. Yeah when we played We did a show With them And that was really the last time we saw him live was when they played with us, but um I even could completely forgot about that But yeah, tommy was the drummer that night and we were already very familiar with tommy because he famously did this drum solo with his hands And we thought that was the greatest thing in the world because nobody had ever really done that before And me and randy were all about let's do something nobody ever did before And every time somebody came along and did something nobody ever did before we were like, yeah, that's more like it, you know Change all this shit up, you know Get away from the black sabbath three riff thing, you know, let's do some music and so So yeah, we we got to Meet tommy. We didn't interact with them too much the night of that show But uh, we definitely went out and watched them play A little I did a little bit randy may have stayed longer, right? when Actually, let me ask you this question because I asked you this question before we did the interview We did an interview interview with rudy sarazzo. We just rejoined quiet riot And and I mean is I love rudy rudy is amazing. He's an amazing basis you know perceptions interesting because rudy I asked rudy I I can't remember how the conversation went but it went to the point where I go something like rudy But you're not an original member and he goes no, of course. I'm an original member It's fair enough if you know perception is you know, it's fair. It's fine. You know, there's nothing wrong with that And I go but what about kelly garney? Wasn't he the original member? Wasn't he the original bassist? And he goes well quiet riot really wasn't and i'm just in paraphrasing here quiet riot really wasn't you know Signed to a major label and they weren't a major band.  That that's that's a given. That's a given You know, I don't think he would even argue that but And You know, I don't know why you would say that you know quiet riot was what it was with our you know somewhat inadequate but Still to this day, I consider to be very generous record deal that we had with japan CBS sony Yeah, that's all we have but You know, I I feel rudy's an original member He he replaced me You know, so You know, he was in that band too and it was already called quiet riot and it was you know Quiet riot, you know, otherwise why else would they would have would have had them have me played on new years, you know An original member. So I don't know why you would make that statement. I don't take offense whatsoever No, and neither do I I just I just it's it's I think what you you've told me before, you know There's two chapters to quiet riot, you know Yeah, and I think it's it's a very unique situation quiet riot Where there was two bands With two legacies in a sense, right the randy roads era will call it And then it's kind of unusual. I can't think of another band that that like You know had something going on and should have could have would have And and then you know and then made a big or a member made a big, you know and then Kevin comes along and does what he does with mental health, which I thought was great and I don't think that's ever really happened before And I think that's why people still find the band fascinating because of You had a guitarist Who was you know, like one of the legendary guitars of all time, but he passed away too soon Then you had another chapter of quiet riot, which is like the number one metal album on the charts Which is completely It's just it's it's just an anomaly. It's a very unique band situation that doesn't exist with anyone else Well, you know, we always wanted to be entertaining so Here you get Side a and side b of quiet riot Definitely, definitely. All right. So what do you remember? So if we go back to quiet riot one I'm not going to pull out the album because it's too heavy.  How quickly did you write this album put it together and record it? There's two cover songs on this You know, I That memory is a little foggy, but I would say easily from the time they said Because we were already doing most of these songs Yeah, and we were already on a rigorous rehearsal schedule. So these songs were We're ready to basically go And so it wasn't very long We had to continue to keep them that way Until we got actually into the recording studio Now that takes some time. You have to book the studio. You've got to find a great producer we and You know, you had to put all those deals together And before you even went in and deal so We just really really just worked on rehearsing and fine-tuning them And really recording that first album was pretty easy As far as what we had to play Working with some of the people was great and working with some of them was not so great Like our constantly missing producer who was at the bar next door but um Yeah, we were ready to go, you know, as soon as they said you get to record an album, you know, we were like When did we start? We were ready Do you find that so when I was reading the magazines when I was a kid and these albums were released or after they were released In my mind, I'm thinking like they recorded in Japan. They had a following in Japan Was there like any following back then in 78 like a Japanese following of some sort or it was just released and nobody really knew was being released like in 78 that is Oh, oh, there was there was a gigantic following. In fact, uh, that's interesting. You should ask that question. Um I just dug out the other day a big big packet I had of Hand mail that we used to get back there Wow Which me and randy were religious about answering every letter. We couldn't believe somebody Wrote as a letter, you know some you know 14 year old girl in japan thinks she wants to marry me because they also um so Yeah, we we And what we were told and what we saw in magazines as far as ads and articles And interviews we did and stuff like that We were very very very convinced that we could not walk down the street in japan And so yeah, we we had enough things going on that indicated, you know We we had a good following there not to mention every week they're telling you well, you're leaving next week to put in japan on a tour with You know cheap trade for kids or somebody and um And then it never happens, you know And so there was like there must have been airplay. They must have been playing it on the radio I would think I would do so. Yeah Right. Yeah for all, you know, you have a platinum album in japan and you're just at home and you have no idea Yeah, that could be Very easily Yeah, but all we knew was that we've got a lot of fan mail And thank god the fans back then would often send those magazines that we appeared in so that we have a copy and So I had a huge collection of those and we were in a lot of magazines all the most prestigious Japanese magazines that were around um, we were in all And and so you said well, I guess I made it in japan, you know around here I used to let the water map to touch my clothes, but You know in japan I guess we're a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, we could go there But it just never so never materialized actually having some sort of supporting slot or tour anything like that, right? Never you never know Not even a little vacation there for a few days just to see what's going on That was a pretty brutal deal. You know, I mean we work six days a week um There was no excuses for time off All right, and then you record the second album. It's in 78 as well or 79. Do you remember? Yeah Yeah You did you did record everything on the second album on quiet, right? Yeah, I did. Uh-huh. Yeah, yes, I did um I know randy had to do a couple little base touch ups But there's as far as the playing when I listened to all my go-nets privately You know, maybe he interjected a little three-second thing that he thought You know, he could play better than I did But I can't know so Yeah, it went pretty much the same way. We were we were well rehearsed although uh for some time After the release of the first album We were told well now you got to get ready for the second album So you guys need to write some songs and they need to be like this and they need to be you know, like the Bay City rollers and you need to hook and you know and and think about radio friendly and You know and all this stuff and you know I just Really wish they'd have left us alone. I mean, can you imagine Van Halen And some genius walks up to him says Eddie You know what you're never going to make it unless you wear a book Not gonna happen, you know Van Halen was great because people left them alone Like they were today broke. Don't fix it and we were broke. Let me ask you. Did you ever uh There is there are there were shows where you there's actually one show where you played with Van Halen, correct? Yeah Was that you or Rudy? I don't remember Yeah, and what was that like when you saw Van Halen for the first time What did you think you thought man? These guys are better than us or we're better than them Or wow these guys are gonna make it or yeah, it's just another band Well, interestingly, I've never seen them No, you didn't see them that night. No, no never saw They were playing around, you know kind of where we were in Hollywood I didn't go to the kind of clubs that they played at which were Different than the clubs we played at Which was the starwood And even the troubadour they pretty much were always at gizaris and that was more of a Upper class crowd there. I didn't want to be around And so Randy did go there and he saw them But I never went and then the night we did play with them The only interaction I had with them whatsoever Was there was some sort of an issue with our stage setup and I'm rodea came down to our dressing room and said sweet that we had to come up there and intervene and kevin and I went one of the few times we did something together and And we talked to David Lee Roth and Michael Anthony And we had a bit of an argument And it got a little testy I don't remember who won I just know it was a pretty minor issue that didn't affect what we did that night So we went up we did our show It was at a college And our dressing room was basically the draw the department dressing room And so there was all this stuff in there all these clothes and so we You know, I knew there was a giant party going on down there after I played so I I just had it down there and I never went back out You know said, oh, I'll see these other guys. I really I literally didn't care. I didn't care You know, they're good great, you know Uh, the only time I cared about vandal was the first time I heard a rupture And I went oh my god This is great Now I kind of wish I would have saw Then you went out of story, right? Yeah I'm like, whoa, was this was there really You know that rivalry rivalry between randy and eddie van hielen or was that sort of just, you know A myth that was just kind of blown out of proportion over the years like Um, I would say it's definitely a myth Uh, blown out of proportion perhaps But randy didn't see the only competition randy saw in the entire world Was himself and tomorrow And he competed with tomorrow because whatever he played today he wanted to play it better tomorrow He was that driven Randy didn't think about other guitar players. He listened to them He studied them He would steal licks, sure But then he'd maybe turn it into something that was distinctly him You know, we had to learn from somewhere. We were learning off the radio and whatever records we could get our hands on You know, it wasn't like today Where it's so easy for people to learn you know Which which makes me wonder like I see how like these uh on instagram or even on facebook Like this really hot girl And she's like rip it on guitar And i'm like, is this fake But now that there's so many of them i'm not sure it's it's it's that fake and and then you have great great fans like plush welcome girls you know and The best all-girl band I ever saw in my life was uh the iron mains Yeah, just an incredible show Well, it there's a shift, you know, like it used to be a male dominated Genre right this hard rock metal thing And now what you're saying is the the new wave of women, you know, or younger ladies You know starting like when we did what we were young, you know playing instruments and And sort of that's how it begins and now you're gonna see a floodgate of uh, you know Mixed bands right men women or women all women, you know, which is great, you know, it's more ideas and I back at 100% I think it's fantastic You know, I think it opens doors for them You know look at the girl from the iron mains. What's your name? Yeah, nita Strauss without yeah, I saw them with nita And I met all them because I was with a friend of mine Who was visiting from Japan and she was good friends with all them And so I got to meet all them after the show and I just Here's a cover band. I didn't feel like I was meeting any rock stars But you know, if I met nita today, I'd be like, whoa Yeah, she's yeah, we matter. I mean and uh She's amazing like uh and they have that kind of a look, you know all these checks, you know And and that's really really amazing to see but it's so easy to learn now because you can learn like no That's a good point. You know youtube, you know, we're youtube plumbers now or youtube electricians or youtube musicians, right? You learn how to do things on youtube. So It's up the game It's really up the game. But in a sense Like in your day in my day, we had to actually play the record back and forth You'd have to move the needle To figure out the river Right, you have to keep moving it and it got frustrating and then when I had to write the lyrics I had to listen. I didn't know what they were saying. So Yeah, you weren't quite sure Yeah, it uh You know, it was just a different way of learning with kind of the same result Some greatness and sued from absolutely really nothing We'll see what happens with rock and roll with all these new style players Yeah, absolutely Um, so everybody I want you to pick up the book or you could even watch the episode of the metal voice when I talked to Kelly about the incident we'll call it the incident that got him out of quiet riot And rudy sarsow comes in we'll talk about the incident That's a cliffhanger The incident and for all you people out there who want to know about the incident it's right here It's right in the book or you could watch the metal voice when I interviewed Kelly. He gives us a detailed Account of the incident Uh, you like that, don't you now everyone's gonna buy it out And and now you've got all these guys out there.  That's what he did He had all these perfumes and motions and he was coming up. He walked up to us and He had walked to them all and he got all these samples and he was putting this stuff on his wrist and going Oh here, you know smell this and I'm looking at Randy. I'm like, this is a guy, you know, and and then he quickly left And that was it. That was my only interaction with him there uh since then I Didn't see him during all the mental health things because During that period of time Kevin and I were still arch enemies and I was plotting on sneaking a bow and arrow into a concert And assassinating Kevin on stage Let's not go there go ahead It was just a fantasy. I was just a fantasy But read the book to find out more about the incident go ahead No, I still had a lot of hatred for Kevin. So I I didn't pay too much attention to them But it was shortly thereafter that that we were actually able to finally meet up and make up and mend our fences and You know and that's something that I'm really glad that happened too. That's another one of my most precious moments ever but Whenever they would play in Las Vegas, I would always go to the show And sometimes they had Rudy most often they had somebody else And Kenny Murray who was a super super sweetheart of a guy And they had shot most of the time it was shot. Yeah, it was also a great guy and um So I never really got to talk to Rudy And I I had no interaction with him online whatsoever. I think we were probably faced with friends or you know, at least that and um You know, we didn't Say hey, how you doing or anything like that? We never ever had an online conversation and you know writing or otherwise so When it came time to do this the show that I did on New Year's um I did have a chance to sit down with Rudy in the dressing room because we had about 45 minutes Before we you know, they went on so I was hanging out back there And and him and I just sat there and I said I said to him. I said, you know I said because of our history I said, this is this is a talk that's needed to happen for a very very long time And he readily agreed and said I'm glad we're finally having it And and we had a great conversation Yeah, and you know I could tell how much she loved Randy And you know in some ways even Kevin, you know, they had a little bit of a history but You know everything he said was just so great And we shared a bunch of stories And it was wonderful to finally be able to talk to him because I really actually did want to talk to the guy Yeah, just because of where he had been and what our common shared things were Strangely, you were if you look at you and Rudy you're basically both basis both One of Randy's best friends, but at different times Both had a hatred for Kevin at one point in your life and both reconciled with Kevin Afterwards, I think Rudy reconciled with him, right? You can see that's the similarities I'm talking about So, you know, and we talked about all that stuff. Yes, we talked about Kevin. Yes, we talked about Frankie We talked about Randy, you know, we talked about a lot of things We talked about playing at the starwood and You know, and he told me stories about when he was with Randy and Ozzy and And and it was all just just just wonderful to be able to finally hear those those words from him It was a very very relaxing conversation. It wasn't A stressful thing at all Um Because I was thinking You know, geez, you know before the show the night of the show I'm like, you know I did do a soundcheck the night before and he was he was very cordial and very friendly and we chatted nicely together and and that was that And uh, didn't have a big long conversation until the next night the night of the show And that's when we did talk a long time and Again, I'm just really glad You know, that's cool. I think it's a very good story. It's amazing Yeah I'm trying to remember did Rudy say I think Rudy had no hard feelings with Kevin later on. It was all good I don't remember I guess Rudy doesn't want to hate anybody. No, he doesn't. He's a very nice person. He's a very kind soul. Yeah I will only hate one person in this entire world and I won't mention his name. Okay. Well, we know it's a him But he's kind of in the book Another cliffhanger, right There's a cliffhanger. I think that's pretty much it. I mean, uh, did you want to talk about the book that you're going to be releasing? Oh, yeah, yeah, I do have a book coming out. Uh, I think this is going to be Shocking controversial. I'll probably get in a lot of trouble people are going to think I'm saying um But I'm you know I'm kind of confident that people will see through that once they read the story But I spent 20 years as a photographer. I primarily did news and escort services for brothels and just girls who wanted to be naked and That was pretty much what I did I started out doing models And it morphed into this whole mood thing to where I became known for it And I had a pretty good studio that could handle it and And plus I got all of Nevada. I mean, I'd go to death valley and stuff with these girls Find some just insanely great places to take pictures and I had I had a set of beautiful beautiful models that were fantastic And eventually I got into the art end of it and approached You know nude art Because I you know, I knew there was a lot of books like that out there I read some of all my studying them And I said, well, you know Maybe someday I'll do who knows and well someday came and I did do one. So While the picture does have 256 Making pictures in it It's got a very good story It's basically the story of a guy who starts a business from out of thin air And turns it into this big thing to where you know Um, I had a pretty good life, you know, I was making good money. I was around beautiful women all the time taking their clothes off You know It might sound shabby mystic a little bit. They're women. I don't know. It's art. It's art, right? But these days, how can you tell you know, and when that's when's that going to be released? Um, it's finished. It's done. I'm just waiting on the graphics person right now She is 95 percent done and then from there it's just an upload To the site that's going to be or the company that's going to be printing this book And then however long that takes I have a website that should be Anytime now I'm giving all the stuff to the web guy and after I get done with you I'm going to be sending him An email and saying, you know, when's my website going to be done and well, it's pretty simple But it's got a lot of sample pictures Oh From the book So you can see what you're getting into if you do buy It's Some guy doesn't buy. Oh, it's Kelly Gardner's book. Must be a bunch of stories about Randy Roads No, no, no, that's that's that's that that's the bait, right? They're all together, you know, but um I love being a photographer and I thought I would do it forever And and the book tells the story of how one day it just wasn't possible to do it Hey, do you ever um on another note? Did you ever do you still speak to drew foresight? Uh, I never talked to him. Okay And if you said, um What kind of terms are you on with drew? Um, the only answer I would have is no terms Okay The only things I've heard out of him and he stays You know very low key in this whole randy thing He he doesn't comment about much Um, he does he seems to me Without talking to him, but he seems like he really doesn't want any part of it because he's got his own thing going on You know, whatever it is real estate or something, you know, he doesn't need all this quiet ride Stuff and he and he absolutely hated Kevin And in the end and um, which is a great story in my book There you go The first book not the naked shake book the first book All right, all right, all right, but yeah with the incident with the incident I I think uh drew perhaps surpassed, uh My hatred of Kevin In terms of its intensity because him and him and Kevin had a beautiful blowout And I wish I could have seen but Um, I yeah, let's say I'm not on any terms with him The only things I've heard out of him was He did give a review my first book And he said it was a great work of fiction Oh Is that on the back cover or something or? No, no, he just he posted it online. So okay, all right And so that so yeah, hey, thanks buddy But maybe I didn't paint him in the best the best of lights because in the band You know I mean, I didn't like Kevin and drew was tolerable and just tolerable You know, but of course I love Randy and and that that was my feelings in the band but Aside from that there was a documentary that was that was done Andrew was Interviewed for that the doc the failed documentary is it's famously no Andrew was So wait a second. So let's let's clear this up So Ron Sobel released the randy roads quiet right years that documentary I liked it I thought it was very good. I thought it was slow. I think it's very good I don't know what the if that's one the one you're referring to No referring to the new one No, this this not the new one. Oh, you're referring to the original one Now actually the new one that just came out that you can get on amazon prime and all that That's actually ronnie soul stuff. He sold his He licensed. He licensed his stuff. Yeah guys, you know Rehashed it and and did their thing with it But I just want to plug ron ron did a great job on his original randy roads documentary I really enjoyed that. I can't remember if you were on it. Were you on it? Um, if I am probably well, there's a lot of pictures and yes, yes, yes Yeah, I know ron and ron's a it's a good guy and he made a great documentary And and this new one that came out was rehash of a lot of this stuff that people have already seen And it was a 50 50 some people loved it the ones who didn't see the original documentary And 50 percent. I haven't seen it. I can't comment. All I'm just saying is what the reaction was I thought it was okay. And you know, my my general feelings On anything that has to do with randy is that anything randy is a good thing Whatever it is, you know Um, it keeps his name alive. It keeps it keeps the legacy alive And that's where I'm at and it also makes the fans happy. I'm on the fans side number one. Yeah Well, I'm not on anybody's side except the fans side and the fans are the ones who want this stuff So let's give it to them. And that's what I've always said um There was yet another documentary as detailed in my book In which perhaps my This is the hollywood documentary will call it the hollywood documentary a hollywood documentary. Yes And perhaps my most hated person on planet earth Is involved That whole thing Well from from what I see online and from the people that I spoke into about this documentary and I guess I've never seen the documentary I don't know what happened and I'm not going to comment on either side. It's just everything went wrong And uh, it it was completed, but it was never released and it will stay that way. That's my understanding Yeah, no, it's it's never coming out. There was already a lawsuit over the whole thing and everything And this resulted in in a book Uh, that's highly collectible now. Oh my god. I uh Was online yesterday And I saw this book It's a a big book thick great pictures um You know, it's a beautiful book. It was beautifully done very well done um But uh, I saw it online last night for 800 and something dollars Because they're out of print. Wow Yeah, so it's a big time collector's item um, but You know when it comes to things like that like all these documentaries Like the new one that comes out Or came out and and books like that and stuff You know, I always say to people well if you want to know how legit this whole thing is Look at who's not You know, yeah, I agree with that. I agree. I mean if if I agree with it 100 percent, you know um Again I'm not going to comment on it because I don't know all the details. All I know is that It's it's a shame that Everyone can't come together in some sort of way where everyone's happy and they can release The greatest randy roads film ever made like a biop Biopic something like that. I would love to see something like that well, you know, who wouldn't and You know, I would even settle for something like they did with motley crew with The dirt, you know, just something like that, you know but Kelly your story and randy's story. It's Yeah, it's fascinating.  Yes You know, it's not the sex pistols, but it's a lot like you know And all the graphics and everything makes you think oh say it's a sex pistols thing, you know But it's really nice.  I also found one that looks like it's it's like Did you see pistol? Did you see the the miniseries pistol? I'm watching it now. It's incredible It's really good. That's incredible. It's spot-on to the tone of the way johnny ron speaks Yeah, and believe it or not Uh, I'm a big punk rock fan me too In fact, if I were to form another band, it would be a punk rock band Punk rock is where the energy of rock and roll comes from or metal That's exactly right right But there is talk Of me playing again And and what I said if I was to ever form another band I'd form a punk rock band It's not because I want to form a band. I really don't want to be in a band I really like doing my art and And I like writing but I I I can't see any more books coming out of me There might be one we'll see but um Who would play you in a biopic of if we'll call it the randy roads biopic What would play you who would you want to play you johnny dep? young That made your wife laugh I got a list man. Okay. Young bread. That's actually my number one Or uh, young, um, who's that other guy was you singing up? Well Not George Clooney But no, you know, even if somebody did something like that at least told the story because the whole thing's an interesting story It is it would have to be a miniseries though. It couldn't be done on one one You know, so one two hour flick it have to be like the pistol like the movie But you know the interesting thing about randy's story And I suppose it makes it also my story and and some other people's But the thing is You know, it was already an interesting story up until when he passed away That's right. It's it's done. Nothing would get more interesting and With all the things that have happened And so I think I think that Helps keep his legacy alive because one thing randy rose isn't is boring Then now or come on. That's a great way. That's a great way to end it And I think you know what we said we will end it when the time is right to end it. Do you think it's time to render? It is. Yes All right, so everybody i'm going to show this again, right This is quiet riot two This is the album quiet riot two And you should definitely sorry this quiet riot one this quiet riot two Phenomenal sound beautiful packaging no remorse records do an incredible job I was like blown away. Yeah, and then we have quiet riot one. Let me just show it again I kept in this package because I've just A poster there now. There's a poster in here too, right? Yeah, there it is See but I kept it sealed because I just it would break my heart to open it up You know I've been waiting Since I was a kid to have these albums like legit, you know, I didn't want to get the bootleg So and here it is No remorse records does an incredible job. Let me show their logo again This is a bag Now we can go grocery shopping Right There is no remorse records great incredible job. Um, I know it's not sanctioned by all the parties, but I think It does justice to the legacy of the band and here's kelly garney's book I absolutely believe it does justice too. Look at this. Look at me pages that are here. Look at this And the incident one last time Why kelly garney got thrown out of quiet riot? Is all there And and I believe Do I see why it could be I think it's in the picture? No, it's not But well That could have been that night that night when it happened right there. It could have been it's kind of looked like that's the night it happened I broke new ground in the mayhem department Kelly it's been a pleasure always a pleasure always a pleasure with you jerry Thank you for everything. Bye. Bye