Hello? Yeah. Like, what? Nintendo's doing what? No. They wouldn't. Nintendo doesn't know what they're doing. Are you sure? Alright. Alright. Alright. Fine. Cool. Alright. Don't worry. I'll tell the people. I'll tell the people. I'm going to tell you people what's going on with Nintendo's virtual console. Hey everyone. So, I'm going to let you know straight away here, if you saw the entirety of the Nintendo Prime podcast a few days ago, back on Wednesday. This won't be new news to you because we talked about this exact same thing there. But for those that can't sift through a three-hour podcast, I can't blame you. It's pretty long. But to get to it, I figured I would make a standalone video here for your Saturday. And all this information comes from Samus Hunter 2. We've talked about Samus Hunter many times on this channel. One of the most reliable leakers at the moment for Nintendo information. A ton of stuff, right? You can head to her Twitter account to check her credibility if you would like. But she gave me a bunch of behind-the-scenes information about Nintendo's future plans for virtual console. It feels weird saying virtual console because Nintendo hasn't been messing with virtual console, right? Virtual console seems to be an idea of the past. You know, back on the 3DS, on the Wii even a little bit. On the Wii U, on the DS a little bit, you could purchase some of Nintendo's old games through a system called virtual console. Some have to be like $5, $10, etc. They'd be pretty cheap, sort of. Some people kind of thought it was overpriced, but it didn't really matter. What sucked about virtual console, of course, was that every time you move to a new system, your games didn't come with you. Now on Wii U, it was a little bit different.  It really wasn't that convenient, and then you could upgrade your Wii. It was dumb. It was a really dumb way Nintendo handled it, but people loved virtual console. A way to get Nintendo's classic games from the NES, NES N64, those were like the three big systems that kept porting on it, made a lot of sense for Nintendo and a lot of sense for fans. And then when we got to the Switch, Nintendo decided, hey, we're not doing virtual console, right? We're going to give you the NES and SNES apps through Nintendo Switch Online and make it a subscription service so you no longer own these classic games, but you can access them through Nintendo Switch Online for like 20 bucks a year. So, people were wondering though, since they added the SNES app, they really haven't been adding a lot of games, right? They've been very slow at adding games, very sporadic. They started out by doing new games every single month, and now, I mean, gosh, we maybe get some new titles once every six months maybe, maybe twice a year at the most. So, why the hell are we barely getting updates to those apps, let alone it's been so long? Where's the N64? Why not Game Boy or Game Boy Advance? DS, right? Why don't we have more offerings? Well, it turns out it looks like Nintendo, according to Samus Hunter, is revamping the entire way they're delivering classic games in the future. In fact, so much so, it might launch this year alongside the potential Switch Pro. Let's get into it. So, in a private conversation I had with Samus Hunter behind the scenes, obviously permission to talk about, she said, another plan for the fiscal year is to improve the amount of past Nintendo games from other consoles after the NES and SNES era available on Switch, a.k.a. a brand new virtual console, although they're not likely going to use the virtual console name. She's talking about this fiscal year. So, this fiscal year ending March of 2022. Sometime in there Nintendo is supposedly supposed to launch this. So, I asked, so is this like a service that's different from Nintendo Switch Online? That focuses on like a virtual console because right now, you get this stuff through Nintendo Switch Online. So, is this just part of that? And she goes, it's possible, but I was able to get this information in October of last year and I haven't received any updates since, but there are also plans for paying for individual games to have them unlimited. Nintendo has long been thinking about how to expand subscription services to have a steady influx of revenue, but it's also important to not limit the supply of games to a single method of attaining them. So, then I responded and I said, so summarizing the virtual console stuff, they are looking to expand the current service into more systems, either keeping it part of the Switch Online or separating it out, a la Microsoft's Game Pass. And then they are looking to also offer these games for individual purchase as an option. She goes, yes, but it will not be tied to Nintendo Switch Online. Think Game Pass. So, basically saying that Nintendo is going to launch their own Game Pass-like service for the old games. I originally thought, well, maybe it's more like PS now, but PlayStation now is a streaming service. This won't be streaming. This is going to be more like kind of like it is Nintendo Switch Online, but it's own service just for old games. And then on top of that, you can still purchase the games individually, which is why the Game Pass comparison made some sense. Game Pass, again, is a little bit different. It's fairly pricey, I guess, you know, it's like 15 bucks a month or whatever, but you also get access to brand new games day one. Like MLB The Show came out day one. Outriders was day one. Halo Infinite's going to be day one. So all these games day one is what really makes Game Pass valuable. So Nintendo's not doing that. They're just focusing on their classic games, but Nintendo has such a massive library and staple of classic games going back 30 plus years that it makes a lot of sense for them to have a service like this. Now, some people might not be happy because, hey, you want to play games online on Switch. You're still going to need Nintendo Switch Online.  You're going to need a separate service.  And obviously this all can be tied into Switch Pro. Hence, like Switch Pro is supposedly launching by the end of this fiscal year. So this is launching by the end of that fiscal year. Maybe it needs the extra power. I don't know. I'm not really sure why, but they're adding more platforms. That's kind of the big news as well. N64, Gameboy, GBA, DS, all possibilities here. I would like to think Wii, GameCube, but I don't know if Nintendo's going to quite go that far. Maybe they will. Maybe, depending on what they're going to charge for the service. I mean, they decide, hey, we're charging you 100 bucks a year for this service. Well, I mean, it better have GameCube and Wii games then. But again, we'll get into that in the future. I do think that this is a nice service though, if this does come true. Because this is something I feel like Nintendo would carry over. If you're subscribed to this and want access to all these games, then subscription could still exist on a future platform. This alleviates the idea of buying the game and then you can't bring it over and you have to rebuy. Now, Nintendo's still going to offer you the ability apparently to rebuy because Nintendo feels it's important to have multiple delivery methods. But if they felt it was important, why didn't they do that in the first place? That's kind of, I don't know, maybe because they have the NES and SNES Classic. Maybe they thought they were doing it, right? We have the NES and SNES Classic and then we also have the NES and SNES app. Maybe Nintendo thought they were kind of doing this already, but it really wasn't the same thing. People couldn't choose what games they wanted to buy. So, I do think that this is a good thing overall. Despite the fact that it's another subscription service, another subscription fee. But it's one I think I can get behind. And it's optional. You could just buy the games. You could just buy the games. And I don't think they're ever taking this NES and SNES app away from Nintendo Switch Online, whatever it is today, I think they're going to leave it there. I don't think they're going to lower the value of Nintendo Switch Online by removing them. But I could be wrong. All I know is I'm glad to see Nintendo caring. I think that's my biggest takeaway. Supposing all this is true from Samus Hunter, which I have no reason to doubt it. Man, like Nintendo cares about that library of games. Cares and recognizes, hey, maybe we don't have to charge gamers an arm and a leg to access our classic library. That, to me, is the biggest positive takeaway from this. So, you guys let me know what you think about all of this down in the comments below. If you enjoy this video, drop a like, subscribe for more. We have a lot of stuff happening. E3 2021, I'm going to keep bringing it up until we get there. We're like 33 or 34 days away. Almost one month. I'm so excited. I remember we have $3,500 plus worth of giveaways happening. Lots of games. Lots and lots of games, let me tell you. We have a bunch of sponsors and everything. We got collectibles. We got merchandise. We got consoles being given away. We got what is it? Pro controllers. A whole bunch of stuff. Skyward Sword Joy-Con. I hope you show up to our library action of all the E3 shenanigans. We have gaming competitions. We have a bunch of stuff we're putting on an event. Head down to the description. We have a link to our initial stream we're going to be doing for E3 2021. It's Nintendo Prime at E3 day one. So check that out. The stream isn't going live again for like 34 days, but you can sign up for notifications for it. So you can be there right away for our two hour pre-show where, yeah, we got giveaways going on. We got conversations. We got special guests, HMK, Game Over, Jesse, Andres, Restart, trying to get a few others. Maybe misclick gaming as well. We are expanding that roster every single week. Thank you guys for tuning in. And I'll catch you in the next video.


Stories and content in Weird Darkness can be disturbing for some listeners and is intended for mature audiences only. Parental discretion is strongly advised. Welcome, Weirdos. I'm Darren Marlar and this is Weird Darkness. Here you'll find true stories of the paranormal, supernatural, legends, lore, crime, conspiracy, mysterious, macabre, unsolved and unexplained. Coming up in this episode of Weird Darkness... Have you heard of the death positive movement? Would you visit a death café? Would you join a coffin club? Why the sudden positive twist on what's typically so morbid? What's so great about death? When it comes to hauls, the ghosts go bump in the night. When it comes to automobiles, do they go honk in the night? Irrline pilots in the UK are reporting strange objects in the sky. Not just one pilot, but several. And not just one UFO, but many. And the sightings were close. Very close. So close that they're being described as near-misses. In today's world, parents often worry about whether their kids are eating healthy and getting a good education. And in the case of long car trips, whether the children have their phones fully charged. It's tough being a modern parent. But at least you don't have to worry like Europeans did about your spawn being snatched by fairies. Two men go out for a weekend of elk hunting. And come back with the story of a creature so strange they don't know what to call it. At a downtown Chicago church, people are turning up in droves, not for the preaching or the powerful worship band, but to see a painting of the Virgin Mary crying real tears.  Perhaps you are one of the many people who are not aware of a new day dawning in our relationship with death. The vast majority of us avoid death and seem to deny that it will ever happen to us personally. But as they say, none of us will get out of here alive. We started having more open conversations about death and what happens afterwards in the 1960s and 70s with the publication of such books as On Death and Dying and Life After Life. People began talking about death again and an interest developed to know more about the dying process and how to help the dying and their loved ones. This renewed interest has led to the establishment of the death positive movement. The death positive movement is all about bringing death out of the darkness and making it something that people can share and talk about. It doesn't mean that people want to die, but that they want to dispel some of the fears and taboos surrounding the subject of death. It's actually a way for people to have more control over what happens to them at the end of life. They say there are two things we can count on in life, death and taxes. Just as we prepare for our taxes, we can also prepare for our death. It does not mean that we have to be obsessed with death as the Victorians were and make it the main focus of our life, but it is something for which we can prepare. The primary organization leading the death positive movement is the order of the good death. Its focus is on helping people accept that death is a reality and to plan for our eventual inevitability. So what are death cafes and coughing clubs and what do they have in common? They are both examples of activities associated with the death positive movement. The death cafe was started in London in 2011. Its founder, John Underwood, wanted to create small gatherings where strangers could drink tea, eat cake and talk informally about death and dying. Death cafes are currently said to be in 65 countries. They were brought to the U.S. in 2012 by Lizzie Miles. These free groups are not necessarily groups, they are more like opportunities for people to get together to talk about death in a comfortable, confidential and non-judgmental setting. Carrying on the English tradition, cake is always a part of the meetings, but in addition, tea, coffee, water or soft drinks might also be served. Most are almost always well attended, with some becoming so large that a new venue has to be found to accommodate everyone, ultimately needing to break off into two groups. It is remarkable to see so many people wanting to talk about such a taboo topic. Another example of the death positive movement is the coffin club. The first coffin club is said to have begun in 2010 in New Zealand and has since spread throughout the country. The clubs typically consist of older adults. They too are similar to a social club where people get together on a weekly basis. They build and decorate their coffins, share a meal together and offer camaraderie to those who are now alone in life. Initially, the clubs began as a way to counter the high cost of funerals, especially the price of a coffin. Self-made coffins are of course cheaper, due in part to their simplicity. They contain no metal and can use reclaimed lumber and other biodegradable materials. The coffins in these clubs are said to range from $250 to $500, as opposed to the thousands of dollars funeral homes charge. Some members report that their anxiety has been lessened as a result of being involved in the club. Coffin clubs are also found in England and Ireland. While at the time of this podcast's recording I was unable to find any specific coffin clubs in the US, there are numerous sites online that demonstrate how to make your own coffin. There is also a renewed interest in green funerals. This type of burial is about caring for the deceased with a minimal impact on Mother Earth. Typically, there is no embalming and the deceased may be wrapped in a shroud and buried in a shallow grave. It is as though what is old is new again, as in the past most burials were done in this manner. End of life Daulahs are also an important part of the death positive movement. Beginning in 2003, their numbers have grown exponentially and they become an integral part of hospices and pollutive care groups. The Daulahs are there to help the dying in their family before and after the death. There are many more examples of the activities that are associated with the death positive movement. For example, there is the We Croak app. It is described on their website as follows. The We Croak app is inspired by the Bhutanese folk saying, To be a happy person, one must contemplate death five times daily. Each day we will send you five invitations to stop and think about death. Our invitations come at random times and at any moment, just like death. When they come, you can open the app to reveal a quote about death from a poet, philosopher or notable thinker. The death positive movement is in no way meant to minimize or trivialize death, but it is a movement that allows people to be an active participant in their death. The fear of death is usually one of people's top 10 fears. We know that when we avoid our fears, it only serves to intensify them. When we confront them, we are able to overcome or lessen them. We feel more in control. Becoming a part of the death positive movement can be as simple as letting your family know about your final wishes. It can give them and ourselves more peace of mind. Any kid lucky enough to grow up in Detroit is familiar with the Henry Ford Museum.  After several field trips and weekend outings, however, the dusty concept vehicles and famous aircraft tend to lose their punch for youngsters. As a fifth grader, I was always gazing on the museum's many gems with glassy eyes. On yet another school trip, we made our way to John F. Kennedy's death car, a gleaming black Lincoln limo. The aging volunteer docent told our little group something I'd never heard before. You know this car is haunted. Several employees have reported seeing a gray presence right here, he said, pointing to the back passenger side seat. I perked up. Now here was something I'd never heard before, a haunted car. Sure, it happened in goosebumps, but this was real life. It made sense in a way. Cars can be violent, emotional places. That's certainly the case with JFK's limo, as well as the other four cars I'll be telling you about. And maybe those gut-wrenching deaths can permanently doom a car. We'll begin with Archduke Franz Ferdinand's graph-and-stift death limo. World War I tends to be a forgotten war, despite being pretty terrible in its own right and setting the stage for the entire 20th century. The French forces, for instance, lost more lives in the first month of World War I than the U.S. did in the entire Civil War. Everyone who's been through a freshman world history course knows the conflict started when Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife were shot by a Bosnian anarchist. The crazy thing is, Ferdinand had already avoided an attempt on his life that day and was actually on his way to the hospital to comfort those who had been injured in the crossfire. One of the would-be assassins simply walked out of a cafe and saw his intended target sitting in front of him where the open-air limo had stalled. The Archduke and his wife were shot through their heads and throats. Their deaths would not be the last caused by the limo. Throughout the war and into the 1920s, the limo was owned by 15 different people and involved in six accidents and 13 deaths. Not counting the 17 million or so killed in the war triggered by the Archduke's assassination in the limo. The first person to own the car after the Archduke was an Austrian general named Petyarek who went insane while riding in the car through Vienna. It took four car accidents and the loss of an arm to convince its next owner, a governor of Yugoslavia, that the car was bad luck. He sold it to a surgeon friend who died six months later in a crash. Next, a captain in the German army died while trying to avoid two pedestrians. All three were killed. Car accidents and suicides would go on to claim several more lives until 1926 where the limo ended up in the War History Museum of Vienna. The Surrey England's Ghost Crash. This one is straight out of a campfire story. Crashes are common on Britain's A3 highway so when police received multiple calls on December 11, 2002 about a set of headlights veering off the road, they rushed to the scene fearing the worst. When they arrived, however, no crash was evident. Undeterred, police continued to search the scene until they stumbled upon a wrecked Maroon Vauxhall Astra nose down in a ditch covered in undergrowth with a decomposing human body inside. The car had left the road and ended up in the ravine. Police estimate the young man crashed five months earlier though and could find no evidence that any other car had been involved. Was the soul of this departed motorist drawing attention to his final resting place with ghostly headlights? My gut says maybe. Then there's the jumping car of Cape Town. On a sultry night in South Africa in 2004, a Renault Magane turned itself on and began jumping backwards all on its own. The car is remarkable because there were multiple witnesses and news reports. Nine people, including two police officers, apparently heard the Magane's engine start before it jumped backward twice uphill according to News 24. The technical coordinator of Renault in Cape Town was very suspicious of the story at the time and even suggested the owners were drunk. The car apparently roared to life on its own despite having no keys in the ignition and the parking brake engaged. Renault later blamed the car's odd behavior on a rusty starter cable, which could have caused the car to short-circuit and start on its own. The company, however, could not explain the revving engine, as if someone or something had their foot on the gas. As for jumping backward, well, let's return to John F. Kennedy's limousine, the SS-100X. The car is said to be haunted by the former president, but it might as well have the specter of Franz Ferdinand hanging around with a sign reading, History repeats itself. The SS-100X was the secret service name given to President John F. Kennedy's Navy Blue 1961 Lincoln 74A convertible. The Lincoln featured $200,000 worth of modifications, but oddly enough, no bullet-proofing. There were several domes that fit over the top of the convertible, but all made the cabin extremely hot without adding any real protection. It was in this Lincoln that Kennedy, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, the Texas governor and his wife sat in on November 22, 1963, when three shots fired from a book depository ended the president's life. Surprisingly, the Lincoln was kept in service another eight years after Kennedy's death. A company called Hesse and Eisenhart added reinforcements and safety measures that were missing when Kennedy rode in the car, apparently much to the chagrin of the president himself. The Lincoln was outfitted with titanium armor plating, bullet-resistant glass, and a permanently bullet-proof roof. It was also painted black by incoming President Lyndon Johnson, who thought the original Navy Blue paint would be too reminiscent of the assassination. In 1967, the presidential limo was replaced, but the 1961 Lincoln was kept in the fleet for less important duties until it retired to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan, in 1978. The car is still on display there and is rumored to be haunted. An apparition dressed in gray has been seen standing near the car, especially in late November. And the last on our list is probably the first that came to your mind when I said that we'd be looking at cursed cars. James Dean's Porsche 500 Spider, Little Bastard. Definitely one of the most famous and well-documented cases of creepy cars. It's the one that witnessed James Dean's death. Actor James Dean loved racing, and his love ultimately caused his demise. In a horrific accident on his way to a race in Salinas, California, Dean's Porsche lost control and flipped into a gully, killing Dean and severely injuring his passenger. The car, dubbed Little Bastard by the actor, would be nothing but bad luck after Dean's death. Dean's friend and famous car customizer, George Barris, took the remains of the Spider and sold parts out to other drivers. Barris sold the engine and drivetrain to two doctors who entered cars carrying the parts in the same race in Pomona, California. During the race, both cars crashed horribly, and one of the doctors was killed. Barris eventually began to believe in the curse and gave the car to the California Highway Patrol. They attempted to display Dean's car as a warning to careless drivers, but more bad luck followed. The first place it was displayed was a garage, which promptly burned down, leaving only Little Bastard standing in the smoldering debris. On its way to a high school, Little Bastard broke free from the truck hauling it and caused another fatal accident. California Highway Patrol moved it to a stand at yet another high school, where the car fell and broke a student's hip. While in transit, the Spider fell off of its trailer a total of three times, crushing a truck driver. The car also injured two thieves who tried to pry out the steering wheel and bloodstained seats.  When Weird Darkness returns, airline pilots in the UK are reporting strange objects in the sky, flying so close at times the pilots were afraid of crashing. And there are many dangers for children nowadays like online predators, bullying on the playground and social media, and a wide variety of diseases and viruses to choose from. You can add one more item to the list if you want to be extra cautious, abduction by fairies and having your child replaced with a changeling. These stories are up next. If you or someone you know is struggling with depression, dark thoughts, or addiction, please visit the Hope in the Darkness page at WeirdDarkness.com. There, I've gathered numerous resources to find hope and solutions. For those suffering from thoughts of suicide or self-harm, there is the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, as well as the Crisis Text Line. Both have trained counselors at all hours to help those in need, and the page even includes text numbers for those in the US, Canada, United Kingdom, and Ireland. Those struggling with depression can get help through the Seven Cups website and app, and there's information for anyone to read more about what depression truly is and how to identify it through our friends at ifred.org. There are resources for those who battle addictions, be it drugs, alcohol, or self-destructive behavior, along with help for those related to addicts. The page has links to help you find a therapist or counselor, to find help for those who have a family member with Alzheimer's or dementia, help for those in a crisis pregnancy, and more. These resources are always there when you or someone you love needs them on the Hope in the Darkness page at WeirdDarkness.com. They say you are what you eat, and if that's true, I'm soon going to be looking like pumpkin head from that horror movie. Or maybe the great pumpkin from that Charlie Brown special, because I just received my limited-release box of pumpkin cookie chunk from Built Bar. This is a seasonal flavor, so I have to stock up on it when it comes out. Built bars are not candy bars, they're protein bars. The pumpkin cookie chunk bar has 19 grams of protein, plus it's low sugar, low carbs, and low calories. But you'd never know it's a protein bar if you just taste it. Built bars have become my go-to guilt-free solution for dessert, late afternoon, or even late-night snacks, and often I just grab a built bar as a full meal, because they're pretty filling. You know how everything pumpkin is going to disappear soon though, so grab your pumpkin cookie chunk built bar while you can, before they sell out. Visit WeirdDarkness.com slash Built and look in the limited-release section for Pumpkin Cookie Chunk. That's WeirdDarkness.com slash Built, and use the promo code WeirdDarkness, all one word, to get 10% off your entire purchase. That's WeirdDarkness.com slash Built, promo code WeirdDarkness. RealLifeXFiles investigator Nick Pope has described the findings of NewQuest's data investigations unit as fascinating and disturbing, and he said the reports made to the UK Airprox Board raise important defense national security and air safety issues. Since May of 2017, the Board, which aims to enhance aircraft safety, has reviewed 36 unknown object reports detailing airborne near-misses across the country, and nearly a quarter were in the most serious risk category. Author and journalist Mr. Pope, who investigated UFO sightings for the Ministry of Defense in the 1990s, said it's clear that pilots and air traffic service personnel are witnessing many near-misses in UK airspace. The suspension of flying at Gatwick Airport earlier this year leads the media and the public to assume such occurrences involve drones, but applying the UK Airprox Board's own guidelines, many of the reports being attributed to drone activity should more properly be characterized as unknown objects. Pilots frequently see things in the skies that they can't identify. The UK Airprox Board has a significant number of such accounts, and there are numerous reports in the MOD's UFO files. In most cases, sightings turn out to be birds, weather balloons, plastic bags or bin liners or Chinese lanterns, while some are indeed attributable to drones. However, other cases remain unexplained even after thorough investigation, and this is of concern, especially if we are missing a trick by being too quick to blame drones. Pilots tend not to be comfortable reporting a UFO sighting because of the perceived stigma, so it's much easier to talk about unusual aircraft, unconventional helicopters or drones. However, in April, the US Navy issued guidance to its pilots, advising them what to do if they encounter unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP, being the recognized military term for what the public terms UFOs. While the guidance itself remains classified and won't be made public, it's an encouraging sign and I'd like to see something similar in the UK. The situation has been under-resourced since the 2009 termination of the MOD's UFO program, and while I'm aware that the MOD continues to study such matters, being careful to avoid using the term UFO more should be done. Having investigated UFOs for the MOD back in the 1990s, I can confirm that whatever the true nature of the phenomenon, it raises important defense, national security and, as we see here, air safety issues. Janet Walker from the Lancashire Aerial Phenomenon Investigation Society, or LAPIS, echoed many of Mr. Pope's concerns and voiced worries that some pilots are not reporting incidents. I think there's a ridicule factor that pilots and other staff won't report things they see because they think they'll be laughed at, she explained. It does happen that people spot things and these UFOs are not necessarily spaceships. It does happen, and some are never identified. The civil aviation authority said it was likely that the vast majority of unknown near-miss reports involved drones, model aircraft or balloons, but the pilots could not be sure what they had seen. However, it is against the law to fly a drone above 400 feet or near to an airport boundary, and a spokesman for the CAA said if a drone recklessly or negligently endangers an aircraft, it is a criminal offense, and the operator could face up to five years in prison. Interestingly, the majority of the most baffling reports reviewed by the UK Airprox Board, which is sponsored and funded by the CAA and the MAA, Military Aviation Authority, involved sightings of unknown objects at thousands of feet off the ground. In eight out of nine cases where the board could not determine the nature of the object witnessed, reports detailed sightings at altitudes ranging from nearly 5,000 feet to 16,000 feet. Drone pilot Jason Goodlad, who runs Hawkeye Mission Limited in Stourbridge, West Midlands, said it would be a struggle to get a drone up to 6,000 to 7,000 feet, as the battery would die, and he added, at a really high altitude, it is doubtful it would be a drone. The CAA-trained drone operator said it would be really difficult to pinpoint at such distances and speeds what had been seen, and he added, there are so many things it could be. The sky is like a motorway. There is a lot going on up there that we don't really know about. Among the puzzling near-misses investigated by the UK Airprox Board was the sighting of a small metal object at around 17,000 feet by Typhoon fighter pilots flying from Coningsby Lincolnshire at 2240 a.m. on January 15, 2019. The report states the object reflected sunlight and appeared to have a linear form. The wingman independently saw the same object as it passed over the leader's aircraft. The Typhoons were at FL-150, that's 15,000 feet, and reported that the object appeared to be at FL-170, or 17,000 feet. There were no plots, hits, or any other indication on the radar. An RAF spokesman said of the incident, the RAF takes all reported air incidents very seriously, with air safety remaining at the core of all our activity. In this case, the single incident involving a military aircraft was assessed as Category C, which means there was no risk of collision. A high-risk incident, however, did occur as the pilot of an Embraer 175 passenger plane approached Glasgow Airport at 6.45 p.m. on December 30, 2018. The report states when passing about 600 feet, he saw an object pass between 3 and 10 feet from the aircraft at the same level. He couldn't tell what the object was. It was lit up in various places and was more horizontally long than it was vertically. The board was unable to identify the object, but it determined there had been a definite risk of collision and Providence had played a major part in the incident. The report did not say which airline was involved, but the type of aircraft is among those operated by Flyby. In another high-risk of collision incident, the captain of a Boeing 757 business jet, preparing for approach at Gatwick in busy airspace at nearly 4,800 feet, reported a fairly large, irregular-shaped dark black object passed down the left side at the same level within 200 feet of the aircraft. The board gave the incident a risk rating of B, just below the most serious, and it determined safety had been much reduced below the norm. It is not known how many were on board, but B 757s can carry around 200 passengers. In dark skies in Manchester at 6.10 p.m. February 1, 2018, the pilot of an Airbus A321 was descending through 10,000 feet when he caught sight of a grayish, thin-profiled something which passed very close at the same level down the left-hand side at great speed. The report states his initial reaction was that he had seen an internal reflection in his glasses or the windshield, but it was immediately apparent the first officer and another person on the flight deck had also seen it. None had a clear view because it was in the landing light beam for a split second. The pilot noted that having seen balloons in flight before, the object did not fit that profile. It is not known which airline was involved, but the A321 is among the planes operated by Thomas Cook Airlines and can carry up to 200 people. On July 5, 2018, at 9.30 a.m., the pilot of a BE-90, a small propeller aircraft usually used for charter flights, saw a rectangle or elliptical object pass 500 to 1,000 feet below, while cruising at 16,000 feet above 10 nautical miles north of Birmingham. The report states he estimated it to be 50 to 100 centimeters long, although he only saw it for about two seconds before it passed underneath the aircraft. It was either hovering or traveling in the opposite direction. There was no time to take any avoiding action. The incident was described as one where safety had been reduced, but the board determined there had been no risk of collision. NewsQuest's data investigations unit tried to obtain reports into near misses between UFOs and UK aircraft from the CAA, but an FY request was refused. The CAA said under EU regulations, the information was exempt from disclosure, and it would only be made available to those involved in aviation safety. Journalist, author and university lecturer Dr. David Clark from the Center for Contemporary Legend at Sheffield Hallam University, who has written extensively on UFOs, said until 2015 you could obtain summaries of MORs, that's mandatory occurrence reports, from the CAA, some of which relate to UFOs, but it seems they decided to restrict access to these, citing a piece of European legislation to justify the change in policy. I feel this is scandalous and a blow against open access to information, especially as journalists and academics are excluded. I wondered at the time if the change was linked to the growing menace from drones. Drones are effectively UFOs, as the events at Gatwick Last Christmas demonstrate. He believes most near miss reports are likely balloons or drones, but he said if you're in an aircraft, you see them for such a tiny space of time, it's virtually impossible to know what you've seen. Not convinced the sightings are of intergalactic spacecraft, he added, things that are unexplained are likely to be natural phenomenon, not aliens from other planets. I've not seen any evidence, he said, but he was quick to add, that's not to say those reports are of no interest. Some of the incidents sound very familiar to the stories I collected from the MOD CAA files during my work with the National Archives from 2008 to 2013. Someone should be sitting down and collating it and looking for information for flight safety and for scientific purposes. There's a lot that could be learned if we got away from the ridicule. The Ministry of Defense said he welcomes all recommendations made in air proximity reports and does whatever it can to prevent similar incidents from happening again. A spokesman added, no flying is without risk. Nevertheless, millions of military and civilian flights are made in UK airspace each year with only a very small number of air proximity reports being made which rarely identify the aircraft were in danger. The low number of these incidents highlight the professionalism of commercial, military and private aviators. PuroNormal and UFO researcher David Taylor, who is a member of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena, or ASAP, said, the majority of all anomalous reports, I would say around 95%, are explainable in rational terms, either with known phenomena, such as misidentification, drones, birds, military tests, etc., and currently little understood phenomena such as ball lightning, earthquake lights, etc. However, this isn't to say all reported anomalies are easily explained and we must resist the temptation to dismiss them all out of hand. In today's world, parents often worry about whether their kids are eating healthy and getting a good education, and in the case of long car trips, whether the children have their phones fully charged. It's tough being a modern parent, but at least you don't have to worry like Europeans did about your spawn being snatched by fairies. While the concept of the changeling has now been relegated to folklore, it was once a serious threat for many superstitious moms and dads. Well, after the Enlightenment, between 1850 and 1900, courts across Europe were still handling cases of people who abused or killed children accused of being changelings. According to folk tales and historical accounts, a fairy-swapped child could be identified by physical deformities, a sickly or underdeveloped body, and an excessive or small appetite. By the 19th century, scholars recognized that stories of changelings likely stemmed from children who were disabled or mentally challenged. The idea of the changeling is thought to have originated with peasants' recognition that something was wrong with their children, and it could have been used to justify abusing and killing the poor kids. An interesting historical example of a changeling comes from the English poet and topographer George Waldron. While working as an official on The Isle of Man, the London-born Waldron wrote a book about the island's history and culture, 1726's A Description of the Isle of Man. Realizing the mancs for being superstitious, Waldron noted that the belief in fairies was still alive and well. The old story of infants being changed in their cradles he observed is here in such credit that mothers are in continual terror at the thoughts of it. When Waldron was presented with an alleged changeling, he described the child as having a beautiful face and delicate complexion. The boy was five or six years old, with long and thin limbs. He didn't talk or cry, hardly ate anything, and was unable to walk and stand. When the kid was left alone, people watching from his window would see him laugh all by himself. It was believed that he was in the company of fairies then, and that they would wash the boy and comb his hair. In another example, Waldron heard a story from a mother who claimed to have been continually harassed by fairies. The trouble began four or five days after she gave birth to her first child. All of a sudden, her family heard somebody shout that there was a fire. They ran out of the house to see where it was, leaving the mother and her baby alone in their room.  When the rest of the family came back inside finding no fires anywhere in their neighborhood, they discovered the baby lying at the entrance of the house. Naturally, fairies were blamed for moving the child. A year after this incident, following the birth of the mother's second child, the family heard a loud commotion from their cattle barn. As they rushed to see what the problem was, the mother and her new baby were once again left alone. Inside the barn, nothing was out of the ordinary, and no cows had gotten loose. Reassured, the neglectful family made their way back to the house, where they were greeted by the second baby lying in the entryway. As with the first child, this mysterious displacement was believed to be the work of the little people. As the saying goes, the fairies figured that the third kidnappings the charm. Not long after this same mother delivered her third child, another commotion was heard in the barn. Like clockwork, everybody ran outside, leaving the mother and baby with a nurse who was fast asleep. As the nurse snoozed, the mother watched with horror as an invisible set of hands promptly snatched her baby and carried it away. The woman screamed for her nurse to get up, but it was too late. The fat and beautiful baby was spirited away. When her family returned, the mother was found crying hysterically. Although the husband pointed out that the baby was still inside the bed, the mother couldn't be fooled. This was a skinny and deformed imposter, a changeling. The creature, Waldron reported, lived with the family near the space of nine years. During its brief existence, the changeling ate nothing except a few herbs, nor was ever seen devoid any other excrement than water. It neither spoke, nor could stand or go. Resembling the child Waldron met on the island. While our English reporter doesn't detail what ultimately happened to this particular changeling, I think we can sadly conclude that the child suffered from malnutrition and neglect, if not deliberate abuse. Up next, two men go out for a weekend of hunting and come back with the story of a creature so strange they don't know what to call it. 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Josh Brinkley and Daniel Lucero were hunting for elk over the Labor Day weekend and rugged terrain northwest of Taos. They encountered instead something so strange they don't know what to call it. Still dressed in camouflage gear after several days in the wilderness near Cerro de la Ola, also known as Pot Mountain, the Santa Fe County bow hunters described a close encounter with what they said appeared to be otherworldly beings and a giant tent-like white structure that vanished in seconds. We're a couple of guys that don't believe in much, said Brinkley, who called himself a family guy who works in construction and on movie sets, but we believe now. He's been going to the Pot Mountain area to hunt for 15 years, he said, and had never seen anything particularly odd before last week's sightings. Lucero said it was his first time hunting in the area. The two men, long-time co-workers, had gone to Pot Mountain a couple of days earlier to scout for elk. On opening day, they set up a long treeline surrounding a field, each taking a different side and waited. After three hours and no elk, Brinkley became restless. It was about 9.30 am. A take-off walking, creeping around through the woods looking for elk, he said. He reached the top of the mountain where there's a caldera, a wide bull left behind by a collapsed volcano, and as he walked to the edge he said he saw two figures a short distance away. At first, he thought they were fellow hunters, but they were too tall and their heads too big. They were standing side by side, staring right at me, Brinkley said. He walked toward them across the brushy field, a distance he estimated to be about 35 yards. As a bow hunter, he said, he's adept at measuring distance because it's critical to hitting a target. Figured I'd talk to them, Brinkley said. As he walked around a bush in his path, however, the figures disappeared. They were gone, he said, just gone. He thought about what he'd seen. Two tall figures concealed below the waist by brush. The shape that would be like their heads looked like they had huge hoods on, he said. Looked like two ribbons coming off either side to a point at the top and bottom. The right side was black, left side was white, and a little shiny. Torsos were kind of black, I couldn't see many details. It definitely looked like clothes. In the middle of the oval was just gray. Later, he would draw what he could remember of the figures in a leather-bound sketchbook he carries with him, and he would draw what he and Lucero both saw the next day. In the meantime, Brinkley hurried down the mountain and back to the field, where Lucero was still waiting for an elk. He didn't immediately tell his friend what he had seen. At first, he said he'd spotted a couple of other hunters. Back at camp, he finally told Lucero about the sighting. I couldn't take it anymore, Brinkley said. Lucero didn't know what to believe. On Labor Day, the pair headed out early in the morning to hunt again. They hiked all around the area, no elk. They gave up and returned to their jeep around 2.30pm. We couldn't figure out why there was no elk, Brinkley said. They decided to drive around the mountain to see if there were other hunters scaring off elk, or people riding off-road vehicles. As they drove, the men said they noticed there were no signs of wildlife at all. After about ten minutes of driving, they said, they saw a strange structure about a quarter mile away that appeared to be a movie base camp, or a film set for an alien ship scene. It's this big tent structure, like a circus tent, 50-60 feet tall, Brinkley said. Coming off the left of it was this long building, almost like what you'd build for an archery lane for target practice. It was a third the height, but really long, maybe a couple hundred feet. They drove down a hill and lost sight of the structure for about five seconds. Brinkley said, when we topped the hill, it was gone, just gone. There was no dust, there was nothing, Lucero added. They drove around the area until dark, searching for the structure. I just know it was real, Brinkley said. It was huge and white and then gone. When the two men reached a place with cell phone service, they called a few friends and told them what they had seen. They thought about calling the Air Force. One friend gave them a number for Peter Davenport, longtime executive director of the National UFO Reporting Center in Washington State. Davenport confirmed the men had called him with their story. It was a dramatic story, he said. If it's true, it is profoundly unsettling. Out of the thousands of calls he gets every year about possible alien sightings, Davenport said, the callers rarely describe seeing alien beings on the ground. Brinkley and Lucero aren't the first hunters to report a sighting they can't explain. Four hunters in Chalice, Idaho in 2000 described a large, triangular craft they said it hovered a couple hundred feet above them before moving off over some mountains. After listening to some 350,000 phone calls over 25 years, Davenport said he thinks he can tell which ones are credible. The Pot Mountain story was one of them, he said.  They aren't the kind of guys who fabricate such stories. Still, they know their tale will be met with doubt. People probably think we're insane, Brinkley said. He didn't believe in UFOs before last week, adding, I sure do now. Lucero said he still isn't sure about UFOs and aliens. I just know I've never seen anything that big just disappear. It was 2019. The fate of Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Church was in the hands of bankruptcy court and faced foreclosure. A judge approved the sale of the church for $2.5 million to Universal Life Church. Holy Trinity would now only have 75 days to relocate. Many parishioners waited with bated breath to see what came from the hearing that started just after 11 a.m. The northwest side of Chicago's church future hung in the balance after severe financial issues put it on the verge of closing for good. But then, some worshipers believe a sign from God was revealed after a caretaker at the church saw what looked like real tears pouring from the Virgin Mary's eyes. Holy Trinity is the second oldest Greek Orthodox Church in the country and the oldest in the Midwest. It reached this point after church officials said a bank rejected a loan request after the church was not able to secure the $1.6 million in pledges needed to save it. As the fate of the church was being discussed, officials were investigating an apparent miraculous phenomenon. On Sunday, worshipers of the church noticed a shocking sight in what looked like tears pouring from the Virgin Mary's eyes.  The day after services, the residue of the oil-like substance streaming from the Virgin Mary's eyes remained, with many believing the oil had healing properties and that its origins were a blessing from God. I can't explain why she is tearing, but I do know as human beings we're usually crying for two reasons, either joy or sorrow, the Father said. A steady stream of visitors have been visiting the icon as well, about 300 people on a single Sunday, according to the secretary of the church, and even more the next day. A nun from California traveled across the country to see the weeping icon in person as well. It's the type of thing you never forget, and I always will be inspired by it, said Mother Angelina. For the last two years, the church has been fighting to remain at the corner of West Iversy Avenue and North Meade Avenue in the city's Belmont Central neighborhood. Holy Trinity avoided foreclosure once in 2018 after a generous anonymous donation, but an issue with the money arose and forced the church to go up for sale again. Some people have come up to me and said, We'll mortgage our homes, said Stanley Andrekis, president of the parish council. We're hoping that we will relocate, perhaps not immediately, but we are hopeful that something good will come out of this, Father Jonas said. As of today, the church remains at the corner of West Iversy Avenue and North Meade Avenue, perhaps thanks to the holy mother and her miracle tears. All stories in this episode are purported to be true, and you can find source links or links to the authors in the show notes. Discourse at the Death Diner is from Marilyn A. Mendoza, PhD, for Psychology Today. Cursed cars and haunted hoopties is from Aaron Marquis for Autoblock. Airliners almost crash into UFOs is from the Bolton News. Child-snatching ferries is written by Tristan Shaw for Bizarre and Grotesque. Close encounters at Pot Mountain is by Stacey Matlock for the Santa Fe, New Mexican. And The Crying Madonna was written by Kate Coggeran for ABC7 Chicago. Weird Darkness is a registered trademark of Marlar House Productions. And now that we're coming out of the dark, I'll leave you with a little light. John 15 verse 12, my command is this, love each other as I have loved you. And a final thought, you cannot break a person who gets their strength from God. I'm Darren Marlar. Thanks for joining me in the Weird Darkness.


Hello, I'd like to welcome everyone who's in the room here with us today, as well as those who are watching online. If you are online watching this conversation, please feel free to interact with us through hashtag WEF24. I am Ann Dumalyang. I am a global shaper from the Philippines. I do cars restoration work just an hour and a half away from Metro Manila. And it's what we do as ecosystem restoration, basically trying to overcome inertia for watershed rehabilitation. I'm excited and very curious about our discussion today, because it is about topics that are very dear to me as an environment defender. Our relationship with nature, science, of course, and the kind of AI that we should really be talking about, which is ancestral intelligence. So, at yesterday's Nature and Climate Dinner, we were reminded that human ingenuity is one of our greatest causes for hope in the unfolding sixth mass extinction caused by the climate and the biodiversity crisis. To overcome this challenge to humanity and our shared home, we must regain trust in each other, dialogue, work together, and consciously lean into each other's strengths as different people and as different generations. Yet to create genuine change and corrective systems, we need not just harmony with each other, but harmony really with the natural world. From this to happen, we must collectively overcome our ecological amnesia and regain our rootedness in nature. And to do that, we must listen to those at the front lines of the work. We must listen to environment defenders who are watching out for our most vital ecosystems, the science and the recognized indigenous forms of wisdom. That is wisdom really that we gained as a human race for hundreds and thousands of years about how to live with the all life around us and how to take care of our collective home. Here we can have even better dialogues that can lead to evidence-based action. In the Philippines, our national hero named Jose Rizal is a writer and a naturalist and he has a popular face which goes, Translated to English, that basically means that whoever doesn't look back into his roots will not be able to move into the future. And I think that's very relevant for our discussion today. So gaps in these really threaten our ability to jointly forge solutions at the pace that we need to. With the future of our planet in the balance, we need to bridge these kinds of divides. The question now is how can we use these varied wisdoms and knowledge, traditional youthful innovation, indigenous knowledge, science, really to inform and create a genuine long-term strategy for our planet? How can these inform a path that is guided by a realism to see the world as it is and an optimism that there is hope and possibilities in a challenging and uncertain future? And to start, of course, I would like to call on Dr. Jane Goudal, who really doesn't need any introduction for her opening remarks. Well, good morning everybody. Everybody here and everybody listening. And I grew up in a world that's different from any of those that you grew up in. Because when I was a child, there was no television. It hadn't been invented. And I think young people today can't imagine a world like that. So I was born loving animals and loving nature. And I learned by being out in nature. We had a big garden and from books, those were the two things. We couldn't afford new books. This was during World War II. And so I used to haunt a secondhand bookshop. And one day I found this little book. I just had saved up enough pennies to buy it. And that was called Tarzan of the Apes. So of course I fell in love as a 10-year-old child can with this glorious lord of the jungle. And what did he do? He married the wrong Jane. So anyway, that's when I dreamed that I would go to Africa and live with wild animals and write books about them. No dream of being a scientist. And everybody laughed at me. How will you do that? You don't have money.  And you're just a girl. Not my mother. She said, if you want to do something like this, you're going to have to work really hard, take advantage of every opportunity, and then if you don't give up, hopefully you find a way. So as probably you all know, I did find a way and there's no time to go in for that. But I got lucky in being offered the opportunity to live with and learn from not just any animal but the one most like us, the chimpanzee. We share 98.6% of our DNA with chimps. And it was amazing to find in behavior how like us they are. And nobody else had studied them in the world before. So wasn't I lucky to discover all the way they communicate the same as us that they use and make tools that was something only humans were thought capable of? And anyway, I eventually went to college. I was told I had to get a PhD even though I'd never been to college because my mentor said, well, we've got no time for you to get an undergraduate degree. I've got you a place in Cambridge University in England to do a PhD in ethology. I didn't know what ethology meant.  So I got my PhD eventually and went back and I could have spent the rest of my life in the rainforest ecosystem learning how every plant and animal in this amazing, rich biodiversity has a role to play. And this is what's happening in the world today. We're destroying ecosystems. Each time a species disappears from that ecosystem, it's like pulling a thread from a tapestry until the ecosystem will collapse. And what we must realize is that we are part of the natural world. We're not separate from it. As so many people who just brought up in the city, they don't realize that we depend on the natural world for food, water, clothing, everything. But what we depend on is healthy ecosystems. And that's where we're going so very wrong. The biggest difference between us chimps and other animals is the explosive development of our intellect. These animals are way, way, way more intelligent than used to be thought. And they have emotions like happiness and sadness, fear and despair. But only we are capable of developing a rocket that goes up to planet Mars and a little robot crawls off and is taking photos. At one time we thought we might be able to live on Mars, but now we know we can't. We've only got this one beautiful planet Earth. So with this intellect of ours, isn't it ridiculous that we're destroying the only home we have? And isn't it time now we're faced with the threat of climate change and it's not a threat anymore, is it? It's reality, the change with the patterns around the world. Last year the hottest on record in human history. So the loss of biodiversity and climate change are interlinked, absolutely. And the storms, the hurricanes, the droughts, the fires, the heat waves are getting more frequent and worse. So now we're faced with this. How is it possible that so many people in government and business and even just the ordinary general public are denying climate change? Oh yes, the weather is changing, it is part of a natural cycle. Well maybe it is, but we have changed that natural cycle so that the world is heating up much faster than it did in the previous, thousands and thousands of years ago, millions of years ago. So I was travelling around the world in the late 1980s talking to young people like you and also government people and business people and big audiences and even back then I was meeting young people who were losing hope. And back then I asked them why do you feel angry or depressed or apathetic because you've compromised our future and there's nothing we can do about it. So if any of you think we older generations have compromised your future you are so right. In fact we've been stealing it probably since the Industrial Revolution and we're still stealing it today and that's why gatherings of people like you is so important. I began our program for young people, Roots and Shoots to try and help people get over this feeling of hopelessness because then Roots and Shoots, every group choose their own projects one to help people, one to help animals, one to help the environment because of the interrelatedness and the main message is every single one of us matters and the difference has a role to play. And if you start working on a project that you choose like some people are worried about litter, some people are worried about waste some people are worried about poverty there's young people like you and between you you're probably interested in every one of the problems we face. So that's my biggest hope for the future. There's only young people around the world once you know, understand the problem once you are empowered to take action there's no stopping you. I guess at this point and at this juncture we can start the panel discussion I'd like to introduce you to two more amazing women with me today this is Mary Claire who led and co-founded the Youth Negotiators Academy she plays a pivotal role in bringing young voices to the COP to interact with decision makers who will be deciding on our collective future and this is Hosana Sana Silva is a TV presenter in the largest Latin American network television and she is very passionate about climate justice and the impact that it has on vulnerable communities so I'd like to turn the attention first on MC and Dr. Goudal, please feel free to insert in and comment anytime you like Yuti Hosana you have been in a number of rooms with critical discussions I'd like for you to share a story on when science-based information and knowledge have significantly influenced the outcome of these negotiations Thank you so much and maybe just to start off I think it's really disheartening to see that we are at the juncture where the science is actually challenged and it's the science from the scientists but also the lived experience and the wisdom of Indigenous peoples who are questioned on a daily basis because this is our baseline and that's what we should act upon so just to put it out there because I was really frustrated to see that this happening here in Davos but also in the multilateral negotiations but in the climate negotiations where I'm mostly operating in we have the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change the assessment of all the scientists around the world and what I want to highlight it's really exciting that they came together now in the sixth assessment cycle to actually really strengthen the voices of female researchers bring in young researchers strengthen the global south participation also really looking into the data gap we are having in many parts of the world and so we really try to see how can we make the science more robust to ensure that the actions which we are basing on the science are actually informed by the right science which is adequate to the local context and I think that's a really important driver for all of us to be reminded that how we are interacting with the science and that we have more local scientists but also that we take the Indigenous wisdom into consideration when we are taking the station because very often especially in these places where there's very little data points and science actually the wisdom keepers and as you mentioned also all the generations have so much to share which we really really need to take into consideration and then your experience thus far are there any particular frameworks or models for engagement that I have stood out for you may that be when it comes to engaging young people or bringing science into the world? Yeah, what I think is very important also what you mentioned is the capacity building that we have to support the young people because I can't be really really scared to go into these decision making rooms many young people including myself suffering from imposter syndrome meaning that you go into the rooms and you're suddenly not able to talk because you feel everyone else is so much more important than who am I to actually talk here so having the science and the knowledge is a really crucial tool for us to actually start off the space line but it's not enough, right? We cannot just know the science but also there's so many additional skills which we need to have, we need to have the courage and the will for all something which we can maybe talk about later how can we be our true selves? How can we be authentic in these spaces where it's sometimes very very challenging to speak the true nature of what we want to talk about without kind of going down the rabbit hole of just perpetuating the system which we're seeing, mimicking the ones who have been negotiating for the last 30 years and frankly haven't achieved what you have to achieve haven't been listening to the science haven't been listening to the indigenous voices and also listening to the voice of nature itself In some of the sessions we've had we've talked about acupressure points that could be alleviated and it will enable the system as a whole so what are those pressure points that you've been seeing that need to be worked out on? What would you say are the key bottlenecks when it comes to these things? I'm really interested in the same answer that to me the acupressure points are for me it's really about representation in decision making because decision making is guiding on how we are living as a society how we are living as humanity and if these decision makers are taking decisions by leaving half the world's population out which are actually the young people in this case and shortly before it was the women and so many other voices who are completely left out of these decision makers when we talk about vulnerable communities frontline communities earth defenders, the indigenous voices but let me focus on the young people for now so young people make more than half the world's population yet there are studies out there only 2.8 2.8% of the elected officials around the world are actually under the age of 30 and 30% of the countries around the world have no young person in any elected position I mean that's a huge potential we are missing out, right? It's ironic because we would be the main stakeholders of the future Exactly and also we have just so much wisdom and energy and things to bring to the table and also when we have been seeing that the last 30 years didn't work so we should change our approach so for me it's about diversity it's about inclusion but also when we are including these voices we have to ensure that they are actually prepared well for their position because otherwise it can be really devastating experience we can maybe go into this afterwards when I was a negotiator myself but this is I think like the crucial acupuncture point because once we actually bring in new people and diverse voices I do believe that actually these institutions where the trust is eroding many young people don't believe in the governments anymore we have tons of studies they don't believe in the UN they don't believe in so many of these institutions and I think it's really dangerous and I also sometimes tend to lose hope but I do believe that if we have an influx of new diverse voices we can actually regain and rebuild this trust with the institutions and make them meaningful again and make them effective again and out of this the actions come which then spark the hope Okay now I'm going to turn to you Asana and you know the indigenous voices are also very important to have represented I'm curious about an example as well of indigenous knowledge that has created a massive impact when it comes to you know made this be biotechnology or fixing social issues environmental issues that we have today You know actually I'm from Brazil so everybody that thinks about Brazil thinks about Amazon there's a lot of conversation going on during this week about the Amazon rainforest as Google just said and I think one the key point is we have so much potential but we also have so much vulnerabilities and everybody talks about indigenous communities as this main stakeholder that actually is not getting the access of decision maker effective in an effective way what I mean is is the financing going to these communities directly to these communities in my experience what I observe I'm not an indigenous person I have to point this out I'm from a favela and I'm a black person from Brazil which is important to point out to in my observe what I see is that we talk about we got indigenous communities in the conversation but we are not actually putting the value that they have we bring them to here they are staying away from their communities which is a really important thing the connection with their communities they're doing this so big work and they're not being valued enough they're not being paid enough we have to keep this going we have to keep this conversation going because yes we put so much value on the scientific part and Amazon researcher myself but the indigenous wisdom this knowledge it has to be paid too they have to have proper works too and what I observe today is indigenous community unfortunately depending on donations we actually had an episode a really sad episode a few months ago in Brazil we have a really intense dry season in the Amazon that this community got isolated they had a hard time to get proper food, proper water and this has their community that we are so much really happy to talk about and they weren't able to get access to health for several weeks another thing that I would love to point out the Amazon rainforest especially the Amazonia state in Brazil passed through a horrifying episode just recently a few months ago with this thick polluted air that just covered all a really large territory in the Amazon so people actually breathed a really dense polluted air for more than three weeks imagine this you open the window in the morning and you can't see the sky only gray for several weeks for more than three weeks this was the reality of people living in the north region of Brazil and no one talks about this I didn't hear about this like once in this devil's week and yet we're still talking about Amazonia and how Brazil has so much potential when actually the population that lives in is suffering today we talk about climate change as this huge distant thing like this big dinosaur that is still coming and we talk about how we're not going to get proper access to food, to water but guess what, people are living this like today I come from a similar living experience because I'm from a favela and we had to live with hunger with no access to food no access to sanitation no access to proper health care and we're still when it goes to these meetings with big CEOs and big decision makers they're like we have to take care of the planet otherwise we're not going to be we're not going to be able to access proper food and I was like I lived that like 10 years ago how we are supposed to be talking about this like a future thing and not get this conversation going about poverty today about no access of proper health care today about pollution no one talks about pollution anymore what happened? what happened about the quality of water? we have this joke about like it's only AI right? but where is the conversation going about who is dying today? Brazil is currently dealing with a huge environmental disaster right now the last week we had to deal with this people are homeless right now actually my phone got ringing this whole week about this I had to get their donation to deal with this and I'm only 26 come on I should be focused on this huge opportunity right I should be focused on my master degree and I have to deal with people dying and I don't see the decision makers this big huge fewer persons like coming in and say yes let's go let's deal with this I'm gonna devils advocate for a bit a lot of people sometimes do not recognize indigenous wisdom and knowledges to deal data to be taken seriously frontline environmentalists experience the same thing lived experiences are discounted if they cannot be transformed into a report then it doesn't get accounted for but we can't afford to have that disjoint because well we are in a climate crisis we need to get moving faster moving in what would be your pitch to people who still have this perspective if you are to pitch indigenous wisdom to them how would you do that um yeah that's a really hard question hahaha you know I actually have like one one pretty example the cosmetic market which is growing and growing and growing based on the amazon biodiversity right but we leave the indigenous community the traditional community as well to get really proper access of this type of science because otherwise you're gonna be spending a lot of money trying to find out the meaning of for example one fruit the property of one fruit when people already know this for hundreds of years right now so the thing is that we actually try to get in touch with nature for market point of view and when we should have this shortcut if we had the proper conversation with the traditional communities that actually lives on the forest like currently so we can see this in a lot of different markets if you go in and say hey I want to develop this type of products do you know any natural resource that have this type of properties we actually know that they can identify that more easily this is something I also experience in tourism on the ground whenever we ask naturalist to try to educate our rangers within 20 minutes time you can be sure that the conversations the questions will change will be the scientists and politicians asking questions to our indigenous people rangers and I've also realized I'm not sure if you've seen this but across and Mary Claire too there are a lot of cultures there are also certain forms of wisdom certain kinds of principles that they do hold dear across the line would you have any knowledge or insight when it comes to that we just responding to your question before I think it's very important to value them at the same point especially talking about climate justice which very often doesn't really get a lot of attention in research because we maybe measure the CO2 level we can measure a lot of different things but we very often forget to put humans and nature at the center of our decision making because we don't we could also measure it but very often in science it's a different approach that's why I think it's so important to then have the other forms of wisdom kind of next to it also let this kind of just map it all out and then look at it and say what kind of mapping do we have and then based our decision I do very strongly believe that we will change our decisions and also our actions if we actually would map this as a baseline but also I think it's very important how we are taking the decisions because what we still see is that in a lot of rooms in the United Nations but also in governments and also here we see a few dominant voices very often it comes from a specific subgroup of people living on this planet they are a tiny minority who overrule the whole rest and also looking into how other groups of people take decisions and I think there we also have a lot to learn from the elders, from indigenous communities but also from nature just looking into nature and how does nature work for me like mycelium is just such a fascinating structure how it's kind of all on the ground and suddenly like the rain comes and then the mushrooms are just coming up and it's not about decision making but just kind of to see how much beauty is out there and how much interconnectedness is there and then how are we trying to solve the crisis we are seeing today and how fragmented we are looking at this how often we are just siloing so much to learn but this really requires a lot of courage on a personal level to be different but if there is something we need is to be different because business usually hasn't worked so we need to do something different and this needs a lot of courage because you have to get out of the comfort zone you have to challenge people who prefer to just keep going because they benefit from the system as it's currently today which is not benefiting the majority of the people and it's definitely also not benefiting the indigenous communities and the frontline communities but also doesn't benefit nature itself and so how can we change this approach and I do believe there is again something where young people together with other generations the ones who are willing can actually change as I have to work together to drive the change on how we are coming to conclusions and how we are actually driving these actions because what I am seeing unfortunately is that very often we do take action but we leave a lot of people out because they are actually not the climate jobs and are not human and nature centered and that's another aspect going beyond the science itself but more into the decision making and how we are arriving to the action itself I was not answering exactly your question but it's a very important point to add That's true and then all of this is really important to fostering understanding and collaboration not just when it comes to indigenous groups science all of these things but even across genders etc Can I say something? Yes please Just going back to what I was saying earlier about the fact that we all depend on mother nature and science is important I had to become a scientist I didn't want to and I did just as well without it but it's important and there's so much talk now about technology solving the climate crisis but there's a much cheaper and a very age old way of solving at least a major part of the climate crisis protect our forests and protect and restore our forests plant trees trees are going to take a long time to get the full carbon capture capacity of an old forest protecting the Amazon is so important now and the Congo Basin and Indonesia and Malaysia and I think one good thing about Brazil I was just there two months ago was that about 50% less destruction of forests since Lula came into power and that's 2,000 square miles of forest save that would have been cut down and it's not easy and it's hard to police and all the rest of it but this is such a very important part and nature's been doing it for millions of years long before we came onto the scene we're just a new little species and with this intellect that we've developed how stupid we're being how utterly ridiculous we're being and you said another thing that's really important poverty when I first got to Gombe in Tanzania to study chimps was 1960 and Gombe was part of a huge forest that stretched right across Africa by the late 1980s I looked down from a little plane and it was just a small island of forests that's the national park and around there the hills were bare there were more people living there from the land could support to poor to buy food from elsewhere struggling to survive why were they destroying the forest to get money from charcoal or timber or get more land which to grow food to feed their families and that's when it hit me if we don't find ways for these people to make a living without destroying the environment then we can't save chimps, forests or anything else so that you know on the one hand we've got to alleviate poverty on the other hand we've got to reduce the unrealistic unsustainable lifestyle of so many people on the planet we also and here's a thing for all of you young people a nightmare that you're presented with that's already there are 8 billion of us on the planet already we're beginning to run out of some natural resources faster than nature can replenish them by 2050 it's estimated there will be 10 billion and people are saying well if everybody acquires the standard of living just of a normal person you know not the super wealthy with all their private jets and blah blah blah then we would need 4 new planets we haven't got 4 new planets unless Elon Musk discovers some that we don't know about but so anyway this is why I'm spending as many years as I have left developing this program for young people because it's so unfair the world that you've all been born into it just is not fair in fact life isn't fair is it some of the best people I'm speechless I'm always speechless after Dr. Goodle talks that I guess one aspect of discussion also that I'd like to bring would just be how we can all work together as generations young and old what do we have to bring to the table right how can we leverage on each other's strengths what can young people learn from those who already have experiences interacting with people in positions of power and what can we as young people learn from them when it comes to forwarding all of these advocacies we have thoughts I think actually as again a black person from Brazil and actually my name is Osana Silva I was just commenting that Silva is the most common name in Brazil because was the name given for the majority of enslaved people that was captured from Africa so they gave this name to everybody so it's connected with that history as an Afro-Brazilian so I was just talking how the tell me the pronunciation ancestry it is right ancestors I'm a Portuguese speaker so how we are actually valuing the ancestors knowledge how we are really interconnected there's this huge sense of young people that are actually grabbing this and saying I am a black person I am an indigenous person I am the future so I need to know where am I going so we go to the ancestors there we are linked in so we have actually doing this process of going back to give meaningful reasons to where we are today in the present I actually got connected with some of traditional communities in Brazil so I have a little quick example of how this knowledge can transform every space we are in we have a traditional community in Brazil called Kilombola communities I know you haven't heard of this but we don't expect you to know so it seems 15th century is a community based on Afro-Brazilian settlements first established by enslaved people who resisted the slavery so escaped from slavery so they get together in this rural area and they had to survive so they learn how to deal with the forests they learn mostly Atlantic forests they learn how to get food to produce and not destroy it so right now they are one of the biggest producers of food in Brazil that is actually based on agro-forest which is something that I actually heard during this week as this big new technology and was like years now we already know that they actually are doing this for years and now science and companies are getting to this because we actually get to the point that we can continue this way so let's find solutions and one of the solutions is agro-forest system to produce food and they are actually doing this for years now so what are they doing are they going to be part of the conversation are they going to be seated on the boards are they going to be in panels in the plenary hall of the economic forum actually doing opening speech and say we knew that was coming we know the solutions we don't have the university degree we need the degree to access some spaces but we need to turn this around we need to get mostly young people that are willing to fight for this and turn this around and say yes you know the solution we need to talk how we can escalate the solutions to another realities okay we have about five minutes left but Tosana I want to ask you also very quickly we've talked about the technology that we can gain from indigenous knowledge and indigenous practices are there any forms of technology today that you are finding optimism in when it comes to just scaling the amount of knowledge that everyone else knows you know about our indigenous practices it's going to seem like I'm repeating myself but for me the bigger technology we have is people is talking to people is doing what Ms. Goodwell just did going there knowing the territory living in the reality and then coming back and say okay with all this knowledge right now let's talk because what we heard most is trying to debate Amazon rainforest poverty and et cetera and we actually didn't leave the reality I did leave the reality of north-east from Brazil a favela in north-east from Brazil so if I go to the south-east and someone asks me let's do a project to Rio's favelas I'm going to say I'm not the right person for this please call someone from Rio's favela because living experience will make you prevent errors make you prevent money trying to build this new technological solution and then when we go to the streets you see that actually it's not going to work so living experience this knowledge that comes from bottle up is so needed most of our government space we need bottle up policies to be built today because they are mostly top down because we still have this feeling that we need the degree and stuff to build this type of solutions so we need the bottle up solutions because people for me is the biggest technology we have do you have anything to add Mary Claire? well just to say that as you also mentioned nature itself is also the solution and we have to value it much more to give it the space it needs without constantly trying to find these quick fixes in technology which are very often far off what is what is actually needed and I think also here in Davos but many other spaces we need to have more representation of nature in the rooms as well at least try to bring the voices of the forest of the mountains of the water reserves you talked about of the rivers to the rooms because I do believe that then the discussions will change if we bring these representatives to the room and if we also what we can all do acknowledge them in our everyday decision and say okay what impact does my behavior or our collective behavior has on these ecosystems and how can we all become defenders of these ecosystems to respect them because as you also opened we cannot live without and it's an illusion that we can make it without and that's why to me it's so strange that we're actually not taking them into consideration when we're talking so I do hope that we can all become stewards of these variety of ecosystems and bring them into our discussion and center them in all the decisions we are taking for our personal life but also for our institutions of research and maybe even like in governmental decisions okay if I have a last question and it's will just be very quick what what gives you hope you're two very resilient women that I also look up to what continues to give you hope maybe the willingness and the courage to do things different and I see how it's happening I see also the barriers and the struggles of it together but I very very strongly believe that we have to have a lot of courageous people who are willing to stand up getting out of the comfort zone and do the thing because they believe in it because they have a passion and ultimately because it's driven by love and solidarity and compassion for our common home I think that is something we tend to miss sometimes right we can be talking about knowledge and data but what also makes us unique as humans is our capability for empathy and relating to each other and if we can extend that to the natural world all the better we can reach better balance man-nature interaction sooner anything to add or shall I summarize already then we can pass it on to Jane for closing for me young people gives me hope being here with this 50 amazing young people that the World Economic Forum just gathered is what gives me hope okay what I gathered today that was a lot of great insights and information number one, rights of nature very important number two, making sure that minorities are also represented in the decision making table given the capacity to take action making sure that there's not a single minority group that's leading all of these discussions that will determine the future of our world number three, technology and just how we perceive it there's technology coming from nature technology from looking back into our history now I'd like to turn it over again to Dr. Jane if you would have some few closing remarks before we get some questions first of all you asked a question that I don't think was answered and that is how do we change the minds of the decision makers of today and the way that I found is the most important to understand that when people change it isn't because fingers are pointed at them it isn't because people shout at them it isn't because people tell them they're bad and wicked you've got to reach their heart they must change from within and as I think I said well maybe I didn't I've given so many talks this week but for me, telling stories and if you tell the right story that means you've got to spend a few moments finding out who you're talking to who are they do you have anything in common maybe you both love dogs or something like that and then try and find a way to reach into the heart and it works I've seen again and again young people can be absolutely correct in what they're saying they're quite right to be angry but it doesn't work usually there may be lip service paid to them but you've got to get in here so that's one thing and then you ask about what gives hope well I already said at the beginning it's all of you young people that give me hope because of what you're doing and how it's it's courage and persistence and determination I've seen it in children of six and I've seen it including adults in Roots and Shoots and it's a program that's changing people's lives I get told every day and now because we began in 91 there's some of our early members in decision making positions and they hang on to the values they acquired and what are the values of Roots and Shoots compassion, respect these are so important love, you can't love everybody but you can respect who they are and then my next reason for hope is nature's resilience I talked about the bare hills around Gombe they're not bare anymore because the people have understood that protecting nature isn't just for wildlife it's for their own future and so there are partners in conservation and nature is so resilient that seeds left from the trees that were there and sometimes even the Roots even after 10, 15 years there's a magic life in those seeds that new trees will spring up helped with the little planting of the right trees in the right place at the right time animals on the brink of extinction can be and have been given another chance because people care because people know that we need nature we need the resilience of an ecosystem and then yes, technology used in the right way but the scary thing to me about AI is if it's in the hands of some of these people out there in big positions in the world it's a very dangerous thing and that's going to be another problem tackled by the young people of today how do we use this this AI that's let loose on the world when it can so easily fall into hands should make all this fake news so much easier and then finally there's the indomitable spirit the people who tackle what seems absolutely impossible and won't give up and very often succeed and if they don't they inspire others around them to carry on the fight when they've gone and that's why in case some of you are wondering that's why I carry around he's called Mr H because he was given to be my man called Gary Horn Gary went blind when he was 21 he decided to become a magician he was told how can you be a magician if you're blind he said well I can try if he was standing here you well know he couldn't be surrounded but if it was a normal audience of young people you probably wouldn't notice he was blind and then he will tell the children if things go wrong in your life don't give up there's always a way forward he taught himself to paint he never painted before he's painted a picture of Mr H he gave me Mr H 32 years ago for my birthday thinking he was a chimpanzee but of course I made him hold the tail chimpanzees don't have tails he said never mind take him where you go and you know I'm with you in the spirit so he's been with me to 62 countries and he's probably been touched by I don't know millions of people because I say when you touch him this amazing spirit of determination rubs off on you so we're all going to try to let him touch the who gets to touch it first among the audience when surprised I guess it's now time to open the room for questions from the audience do we have any questions from the audience for our panelists let's go with David you're not allowed to keep him you've got to pass him around yeah okay David let's go first of all from all the dowers I attended this is my absolute favorite thank you so much for all trust in the communities is really important to get trust in the communities and establishing trust trust worthy collaboration is really important to get things going often times the language that the community speaks the local community and its indigenous wisdom is very different from the language policy makers speak or maybe the language scientists speak and therefore I think often times the knowledge is not valued enough how can we create further trust and also provide these translations that are really really required in order to value and integrate this wisdom that you mentioned into our systems maybe I can actually respond because also I know of the work you're actually doing and actually using technology and using AI to support that this wisdom is actually spread and the wisdom is translated and it's actually been able to find its way or is multiplied through decision makers to actually come to decisions and I think this is for example a very fantastic use of artificial intelligence which has a lot of downsides that without it we probably would ignore the wisdom because it's kind of too complicated to translate it but also to really give it a platform it deserves a connection that is not again getting really extractive and we just kind of take what we can but how can we really value these contributions in a way that everyone benefits from it including the ultimate decision which is to protect nature okay we have a question from Thank you I actually have a question for you Jane my name is Arno Ratzinger I've been firing as you said like this is nothing new right it's not like just the last 2-3 years that young people stood up and started to ask for more ecological equality or climate justice but what I find so mind blowing when you look at footage from the 80s or 90s of environmental activists and young people standing up is how is it possible that we are still today in this mess where you still feel like we're at the same point as 40 years ago in the 80s and 90s that they were able to actually you know really speed up the transformation that is so dearly needed and what can we as young people do or watch out for to not fall into the same trap and you know follow the same patterns that we're unsuccessful so far thank you well first of all some of those young people who joined us in 91 the early 90s they are making a difference there's one example I give you the minister of wildlife in Tanzania under Megafuli he was like a Putin people disappeared if they disagreed with him and he wanted to build a dam in a world heritage site and he started kept down 2,000 trees ruining the environment and he announced on radio and television anyone who opposes this will face the consequences in other words they'll be disappeared well this minister did stand up to him luckily he only lost his job and not his life we talked about it he was in roots and chutes at school and I meet so many decision makers now who were in roots and chutes or some other youth group so why isn't it changing more quickly it's money money money people are so rich and so powerful and they lobby governments and then you've got on top of that you've got corruption and on top of that in many countries if you try and oppose those powerful people you lose your life I mean that was so in Brazil you know and other countries around the world so it's not easy but the point is that awareness is growing among the young people young people are better equipped now and so your generation you've got to do it the right way and you've got to get together that's been said again and again working together is so important collaborating that's why for me bringing together young people from different countries nationalities you discover much more important than the color of your skin or your language or your culture even your religion we're all human we all laugh we all cry we all have hopes we all have fears so it's going to be tough but my hope is that as more and more young people like you take over positions of power and that's not easy unless you live in a true democracy so it's tough and I can't answer you all I can say as I live 90 years it's got a lot better okay that's time for us we need to officially close the session thank you all for making it this afternoon is it the morning or the afternoon wherever you are thank you for making it to today's session we are now hosting it but thankfully Jane Dr. Jane Goodall has granted us an additional 30 minutes of her time for other questions that people here might have for her so I do encourage you to stay behind if there are more discussions that you feel like need to be had thank you everybody