watching I-24 News, we're coming to you live from Tel Aviv. And earlier today, Hamas terrorists fired heavy weapons at Israeli troops from inside the Al Quds Hospital in Gaza City. The IDF says that cell has now been eliminated. The IDF is surrounding the city's largest hospital, Shifa. Well, according to Hamas and the UN, around half of the patients and healthcare workers have left, but hundreds remain inside. Earlier, the IDF spokesman told me that Hamas has been firing on civilians who are trying to get to safety. The EU has condemned Hamas for using hospitals and civilians as human shields. And in the north, a 56-year-old electricity engineer has died after an attack by Hezbollah on northern Israel. Yesterday, Shalom Avoudi is the third Israeli civilian to be killed by Hezbollah since October 7th. And we can get the very latest on the situation in the north. Now, with our correspondent Nikol Zedek, who's up in northern Israel, Nikol, what is the latest this hour? Laura, the IDF coming out with a new statement saying that earlier today, terrorists had fired at several different locations throughout northern Israel. And to all of those different incidents, the IDF responded with live artillery fire. Now, in addition to that, the IDF also says that one of their tanks struck a terror cell that was planning to launch anti-tank guided missiles towards northern Israel as well. Earlier today, we saw some of those anti-tank guided missiles fired towards northern Israel. Hezbollah claiming responsibility for the incident as well. Now, where we are in overlooking here at Shemona, most of the majority of people have evacuated. But as we do continue to see this increasing attacks both from Hezbollah and the IDF responding, I can tell you, within the past hour here where we are as night falls, we've seen at least three flares lighting up in these mountains behind me here. So as night falls, the IDF certainly continuing with their military activity and trying to gain some light in these mountains, in these fields to see exactly what's going on. All of this also, as you kind of hear the constant buzz of drones overhead as well, that you're just driving throughout many of these mainly deserted and empty towns. So the IDF says for everything that they are seeing from Hezbollah, they're going to be firing back stronger. That comes from a statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this evening as well stating that all of this increased activity that we're seeing, Hezbollah is playing with fire and that fire is going to be met with stronger fire from Israel in his words. So he says everything that we've seen so far in this northern front is just a sliver of Israel's military capabilities and they're ready to strike harder if and when needed because we definitely are seeing increased military activity and firing, whether it's whether it's mortar shelling, whether it's rockets, whether it's drones from southern Lebanon, we're seeing it all and the IDF says they're prepared to attack when necessary if this does continue to heat up on the northern front. All right, a lot of developments in the north this hour then. Nicole, thank you very much. Nicole Zedek there and let me introduce my studio guest this hour, Yaqui Dayan is the former Israeli counsel in Los Angeles. Good evening. Good evening. And with me as well, Yaakov Lapin is military and strategic affairs analyst at the Miriam Institute. Good evening to you, Yaakov, as well. Yaakov, I'll start with you on the military side. You know, we've had Yoav Galant, the Defence Minister up in the north recently saying that Beirut could look like Gaza if Hezbollah isn't careful. We've also heard that statement from Netanyahu as well today. But is it Hezbollah that is really dictating the timing and the course of events right now? So, yeah, first of all, I think that the verbal threats are having no effect whatsoever on Hezbollah's decision making. The only thing that could affect that are Israeli strikes, Israeli kinetic power. In terms of how those decisions are being made, I think it's clear, you know, when we look at the movements of the Quds Force commander, Ismail Qaani, who's constantly going in and out of Beirut, he is synchronizing on behalf of Iran, Hezbollah's response and posture. And their assigned role is to keep Israel distracted from its mission of destroying Hamas in the Gaza Strip. That means keeping large numbers of ground forces, potential air power, intelligence resources, all stuck, so to speak, on the northern front. That is Hezbollah's role. And if that leads to an escalation, then so be it. They, I don't think, are deterred by that at all. And I think, you know, from Hezbollah's perspective, they think that they're in a win-win situation. They've lost 75 fighters, is it? They've lost 75 fighters out of tens of thousands. Don't take terrorists. Terrorists, 100% terrorists. I mean, they deliberately targeting civilians. They're exactly in the same genocidal ideological camp as Hamas. But, you know, they think that if they have the final word, if they're able to cause Israel to, let's say, water down its responses, then they can declare a kind of victory. And if it ends up in a war, then they think that they're going to take over the ruins in the long-term perspective. So I think if we try and get into their heads, that's how they think they think that they're in a win-win situation. Yaki Dayan, 38 days on, you've got thousands of Israeli civilians having to live away from their homes. They can't return. The north of Israel is a war zone. Is this an image of weakness from Israel? It's an image of Israel is being deteriorated or deteriorated. Sorry, that's the word. I'll tell you what. I think that Hezbollah is sensing that the United States is limiting Israel and Israel is limited in their response towards Hezbollah. And because of that, we see a gradual escalation from the side of Hezbollah and because they think that they can afford themselves to escalate a bit. And yet, there is no interest neither by the United States nor by Israel to enter a larger scale, a larger scale of war. And that's why we see more and more attacks by the Hezbollah. We see all those refugees. No doubt, this is a sign of weakness. And hopefully, and there is an understanding, a clear understanding that we cannot return. And the day after, we cannot return to the same status quo that existed before this war in the northern part. So the question is, if there is no war, how we are going to change this equation up in the north? It's just a matter of time before there's an all-out war between Israel and Hezbollah. I don't know if it's a matter of time. I think it is a matter of time until the situation escalates further. How far it will escalate, I don't think is possible to know right now. When that happens, it's not possible to know. But clearly, we are on a trajectory of escalation. And again, I think from Hezbollah's perspective, if we look at the way it's been behaving since this war began, it's clearly looking to escalate, but also looking to avoid blame for the escalation and the fallout for when that comes. And that messaging, I think, is really targeted at its Shiite Lebanese base. I think most of the messages that Nasrallah is sending, that's the target audience. It's not the rest of Lebanon. It's certainly not the international community. That's the population that Hezbollah is dependent on. That's where it draws its terrorists and where it invests its resources. So I think what he's telling them is, look, we're standing in solidarity with Hamas. But if war breaks out because of that position, it will be Israel's fault. And I think that explains his behavior. We see at the New York Times, only today, there was a report that Biden clearly refused to the request of the Pentagon to bomb Iran or the Revolutionary Guards after the attacks in Syria and Iraq that they suffered. And if this is the case, this is also a sign of weakness. And no doubt that this is the... They did carry out strikes in the last 24 hours. Yes, in Iraq, but not in Iran. And that was the recommendation by the Pentagon. And if this is correct, because eventually everything, as Yaakov is saying, and I agree with that, everything is being dictated by the Iranians. And the Iranian philosophy and doctrine is to take all their conflicts away from their borders, by their proxies, whether it's in Lebanon or Syria or Iraq or Yemen or the Palestinian territories. And this is exactly the philosophy of Iran. And as long as they are not paying a heavy price for their guidance, I'm afraid that we will see those attacks by the Hezbollah continuing. Okay. Well, let's talk about what's going on inside Gaza. The IDF has given an update. It says it killed a number of Hamas commanders in an airstrike, or in airstrikes in Gaza over the past 24 hours. And troops are closing in on the Shifa hospital, which has been identified as a Hamas command center. And this, of course, is getting a lot of international attention. The United States has said it doesn't want to see gun battles fighting in and around hospitals. There are a lot of civilians, a lot of patients still in those hospitals. But take a listen to this. This is the EU commissioner, Josep Barel, condemning Hamas for using hospitals as human shields. Listen. So we condemn the use of Hamas as hospitals and people as human shields. And on the other hand, we ask Israel for maximum restraint and targeting in order to avoid human casualties. The EU's foreign policy chief, Yaki Dayan, do you think the message is getting through to Western leaders that this is Hamas' game plan, that they do embed themselves in civilian infrastructure? So when we speak about Western leaders, we mainly speak about the United States. No doubt that Germany and the UK still support Israel in an unequivocal way. But the main idea is to maintain the United States in their position. And we have to understand that there is growing international pressure on the United States towards a ceasefire. And they still refuse, and obviously we refuse. And the next battle is going to be in the hospitals, not only around the hospitals. And what we saw today by the IDF spokesperson is images about the terrorists fighting from within the hospitals. And this is exactly images that are very hard to explain. So if it is to the public opinion, then we have a big problem. We're looking at that now. Just to answer, we're looking at these images now of the RPG launch of being fired from the Al-Quds hospital to the IDF troops. But if it is towards the leadership and mainly towards the president of the United States, I think we have to get this message across that this is necessary. I mean, we cannot leave the hospitals. And we have to mention that a week ago, there were 60,000 people in Shifa and around Shifa Hospital. Today, we have less than 1,000. So the message is going through to the Palestinians. And eventually, it's unavoidable. So we'll have to, it's going to be, already this discussion is a very difficult discussion with the United States. But it's going to be a difficult discussion, no doubt, when we are going to go into the hospitals. And the IDF is taking steps to make sure as many civilians get out of the way as possible, because they know that that will make it easier for them to fight Hamas and also because it is the right thing to do. Do you think that Israel is doing enough to get the message across? That is its operation here. I think the messaging from the IDF could not really be clearer and more consistent about the roles that hospitals play in Hamas's command structure, its terrorist capabilities. It's extraordinary. The whole showdown at these hospitals, I think, really just illustrates the fundamental differences between Israel and Hamas. Israel sanctifies life. It's taking its time. It's doing its best to pull sick people out of these hospitals. And Hamas uses premature babies as hostages in order to prevent the IDF from moving in. Because Israel has offered to get those babies to safety. Yeah. And it's dropped off 300 kilos of fuel. And it's doing everything it can to save the people who are left in the hospital. And Hamas is only interested in those people because it has no value for human life. None whatsoever is to use them as human shields and slow Israel down. And that's Hamas' ultimate goal, to slow Israel down, whether it's through international pressure, whether it's operationally. That's the whole basis of its doctrine. And it's a very, very difficult challenge that Israel is dealing with operationally in the information public warfare arena. It's extremely difficult. It's extremely sad to see these people in the hospital being held hostage by Hamas. But the idea that Israel should give up is completely detached from reality. This is a central Hamas command center. And it's part of the war effort to dismantle that as well. Well, that brings us to the Israeli Foreign Minister, Eli Cohen, who spoke earlier and said, you know, Israel has between two and three weeks between the international pressure really starts to bear down. And that pressure for Israel. Horrible statement. I don't know what he was thinking to himself. Because, you know, now the Hamas, the terrorists think that let's hold up for two, three weeks.  I think so I don't want to interpret the statement because I don't think it's a smart one. But I do think that eventually the United States will determine. And there are all kinds of forces that are working now in favor of continuing the war effort and not having any ceasefire. When we speak about President Biden, so we speak about his total commitment. He sees that as a black and white war, a war of good against evil. No doubt he's there. The second thing he's still the release of the all the hostages. He understands that this war has to continue. And the last thing is his his vision on the day after, because he wants to have a different composition of the Middle East. And to have this composition that the this vision of that the United States has is to also eradicate the Hamas. It has to be eradicated in order to complete that. But on the on the negative forces that are working, it's the international international arena pressure that all the humanitarian suffer that we see from Gaza. And a ceasefire has to be achieved. And I would say that the the most troubling one is the political one because we are in a political year in the United States. And he is paying a political price. Biden is paying a political price. So that pushes him to shorten this this war. And eventually, when we look at those contradictory forces, I hope that the United States will be paying a political price, though, because the polls show that most Americans do think Israel is right to defend itself. Absolutely. And you're right. He's paying a political price in a few ways. One is with the young young voters in Democratic Party. The second one is the with the black community within the Democratic Party. And the third one with the Muslim voters in Michigan, which is one of the swing states that is going to determine one of the six swing states is going to determine who is going to be the next president. So he's paying a certain price, but we still see his commitment. And when we compare his statements to other statements that we hear from the Democratic Party, such as the Obama statesmen or other legislators, definitely he's in the right place. So I don't think that the two to three weeks is an accurate description of the current situation. I do think that the President Biden will give enough time for Israel to continue this war till all those goals will be achieved. Okay. Yeah, cool. Was it unwise of Eliko into talk about two to three weeks as he put a timeline on the wall? I mean, the last thing we should be doing is setting deadlines for ourselves in light of the fact that the enemy's entire strategy is holding on. Survivability is the name of the game for Hamas. They believe that if they hold on long enough, then they're going to live the day after and rebuild and rebuild, you know, stronger. And that goal must never be allowed to happen as far as Israel's is concerned. It's completely clear. Also, I think, you know, from the perspective of the Israeli streets, no amount of international pressure would enable an Israeli government to survive if Hamas is left standing when this war ends. The Israeli street would not tolerate that. And everybody in the international community who's thinking of pressuring the Israeli government should know that. No government will survive an outcome like that. So that's the situation. Hamas is going to be destroyed. It's going to take, I think, a long time because of the nature of, you know, the beast, this urban warfare embedded in bunkers and tunnels. A lot of their terrorists are still down in those tunnels. And I think, you know, instead of chasing them into the tunnels, the idea of blowing up the shafts, waiting for their supplies to run out, you know, we need nerves of steel going forward because this is going to be a protracted urban warfare campaign. It will not be over in a day. Okay. All right. Thank you. Well, with the war raging on in Gaza, the Dubai air show has opened its doors in the United Arab Emirates. But two Israelis stands are empty as are Bastian Bahlian airports. Yes, well, the event has just opened today. So we'll have to wait and see what the two companies that involved have to say, namely Rafael and IAI. I contacted their spokespeople this afternoon, but still haven't heard back. And they're usually very quick to respond to the media, especially when it comes to sales of Israel equipment to Gulf countries. So this silence might speak volumes, especially since Rafael and IAI have always been there. Every meeting of this type in the UAE over the past three years, since the signing of the Abraham Accords, whether it's summits on aeronautics, aerospace, arms sales, et cetera, in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, it's always been in the Israelis interest to show off in a way to make it known that there were there, but obviously not this year. So at this Dubai air show, the stands of these two Israeli companies are for the moment empty, simply surrounded by Red Ribbon, which contrasts with previous years and additions a few months ago. Rafael, which, by the way, develops the Israeli Iron Dome, opened its first office here in the UAE a few months before at the end of the 2022. The Emirates had purchased the for the first time spider interceptor missiles, again developed by Rafael. We also know, even if it's a rather well kept secret, that Israel and the UAE are jointly developing USVs, so unmanned remote controlled drone warships, which will eventually be capable of patrolling the waters of the Gulf where maritime piracy and interception of ships by Iran in particular are not uncommon. So, aeronautical and military cooperation between the two countries is growing. Now, the question is whether the war in Gaza has at least temporarily undermined this cooperation. That's the first hypothesis. We can also assume that Rafael and AI received security warnings either from the Israeli authorities or from the Emirates, who may have judged the presence of these companies too dangerous, given the circumstances. And then the third hypothesis is the one that may have prompted the Israelis to avoid making the trip to Dubai out of decency or out of support for the people of Israel. Bashar Bore, there. Well, to talk more about the future relationship between Israel and its Gulf partners, we can go to Abu Dhabi. We're joined now by Loa Al-Sharif, peace activist and expert in Arab-Israeli relations. Great to have you with us, Loa. Thanks for joining us. Let me take you back to what happened over the weekend when the Arab League met to discuss Israel and the war in Gaza. How would you characterize the positions of Abu Dhabi and Riyadh and compare them to those of Turkey, Iran, Syria? I totally understand what the outcome would look like. And I'll tell you what, Laura, you have, I always tell this to my Israeli friends, you have to manage the expectation. So the expectation was also called for a ceasefire, letting the humanitarian aid in, condemning Israel or the collective punishment. I totally understand that. But I know for sure that deep down, everyone knows that Hamas is evil. The summit said that the PA is the official representative of the Palestinian people. And they all know that this war has to end. And I do agree with that. This war has to end. And do you need to take into consideration also the public opinion, everyone is sympathizing with the Palestinians? Of course, we are. All of us are sympathizing with the innocent Palestinians and the innocent people of Gaza who shouldn't suffer and who shouldn't really, their leaders should have just protected them and didn't involve them in this kind of war. I was appalled when I heard the statement of the Iranian president, when he said there has to be a one state, which is a Palestine state. And that's it. And it was like another call of annihilation to the Jewish state. But overall, the outcome was very expected.  I just came from Saudi Arabia. I was there for the past 10 days. And I can see that people there are very sympathizing with the Palestinians, with everything that is happening in Gaza, with the casualties. And of course, we all do. But I also tell you, Laura, many people know that this war is unnecessary and could have been avoided if October 7th didn't happen. Well, quite as Israel keeps saying, Israel didn't want this war, didn't ask for this war. A lot of Arab leaders, Lawai, have been expressing their sympathy for the Palestinians. But the UAE is actually taking action. They're leading the way with humanitarian aid. They're building the first field hospitals inside Gaza. And how important is it to the UAE to relieve the suffering of the innocent people in Gaza? It's part of the belief of the leaders of the UAE to take part in this relief. This is why the president of the UAE also said that we will host 1,000 Palestinian children from Gaza. And by the way, the 1,000, they will come with their families. But of course, when the war sells down, of course, they will return back to Gaza. So it's part of the national creed of the UAE to take care of our brotherly Palestinians. And of course, they do support that. But at the same time, Laura, don't forget that the UAE is the only Gulf state that explicitly, nothing explicitly, explicitly condemned Hamas for the atrocities that they made on October 7th. And they called it barbaric and heinous. And it also at the same time said that we care about the Palestinian coast. We care about the Palestinian brothers. We have a campaign here in the UAE. It's called sympathize with Gaza. And it's part of the national commitment of the UAE. So you see there is a balance. But I'm not seeing anything changing in terms of relations with Israel. Even when I met people in Saudi Arabia, ranging from officials to normal friends, everyone was talking about that the region was going to a better place when MBS made the statement that every day we're getting closer and we're closing to a normalization. And we will bring concessions to the Palestinians, but now they see things drift away. And one last thing I want to say, Laura, many people don't really know what happened in Saudi Arabia in 2004. I was there. I was there in 2004 when Al Qaeda blew up buildings in Al-Aliya and Al-Mahiyyah and the wronged the streets. And that happened two years after September 11th. If the evil people, if the evil ones prevail, all of us are next. Right. And the UAE has also managed to keep anti-Semitism off its streets. We've seen a spike in anti-Semitic attacks all around Western countries. Just real quick, how did they do that? Well, first of all, let me say Europe has fallen. I hope not. But I'm just saying that it's like the things that I see on TV and everything, the anti-Semitism. But because the law in the UAE is very strict, which is great. And I also told you time and again, Laura, in your show that I do support this kind of censorship, that the open policy of freedom of speech is something that I'm totally against. There's a difference. There has to be a difference between freedom of speech and incitement of hatred. And this is very taking care of in the UAE. Yeah, Loa, great to hear from you. Thank you so much. Loa, I'll show you there. We're going to take a short break to do this much better to come after this. Israel is in a state of war, families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. You're watching I-24 News. We're coming to you live from Tel Aviv. Reminds her who's in the studio with me. This hour, Yahi Dayan is the former Israeli Council in Los Angeles. And Yakov Lafayne is a military and strategic affairs analyst at the Miriam Institute. Thank you to you both. We were just listening. Aren't we too Loa Al-Sharif over in Abu Dhabi? Europe has fallen, he said, when he was talking about the scenes we've seen on the streets recently. Unfortunately, he's right. I mean, the vision of Hitler eventually that Europe will be free from Jews is happening.  And I would add to the things that he said is that clearly, when you looked at the Arab League and their decisions, there are definitely two parts or two different parts. And the UAE in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain and Jordan and Egypt, all of the maids want to see the Hamas being eradicated. They want to make sure that this is happening. They have the pressure from their own streets and public opinion. No doubt. But the outcome has to be that because if we want to have normalization with Saudi Arabia at the end of the day, Hamas has to be eradicated. Everybody is looking at this war and the outcome of this war. And the entire structure of the Middle East will be determined according to the results of this war. Yeah. And it was interesting to hear him say that he'd just been in Riyadh and he'd been speaking to people there. I mean, it appeared that the Arab League summits, the Iranians, the Syrians, they very much wanted all of the Arab League to sabotage with Israel, stop the Americans from delivering military aid to Israel, that kind of thing. And it was watered down substantially because of the Emirates and the Saudis. Right. I mean, one of the possible reasons why Hamas launched this massacre in the first place was to sabotage the ongoing Israeli Saudi normalization process. And there's a good reason why they would want it sabotaged because the biggest threat to the Islamists in the region is the formation of an Israeli Sunni Arab moderate block as a single block in the Middle East that is dedicated to the same vision, which is a prosperous Middle East, a quiet Middle East, and a safe Middle East. And that's exactly the opposite of what Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah want. They're all united by this radical ideology, even if they have some differences between them. If you look at the ideology of Hamas and Said Kutub, who's the godfather of Islamists, branded all of these moderate Arab governments as puppets of the West that need to be overthrown. So these governments are in no delusions over who Hamas is and what kind of threat Islamists pose to their own national security. And the Middle East has really divided into these two blocks, and it's clear, even if they can't say so publicly, that the moderate Sunni Arab block is waiting for Israel to take Hamas off the map. And if that happens successfully, they could have a very big role in Gaza's future. Instead of Iranian money building a terror army in the Gaza Strip, we could have Saudi money, creating factories and business opportunities in the Gaza Strip. That's the vision that we should be aiming for after this war. Are you hopeful about the future of Gaza post-Hamas? We've seen competing visions, shall we say, from the Israeli government? Yes. For the short run, I only look at the security arrangements that will be done there and eliminating the threat coming from Gaza. For the long run, I think it's a very long process. A credible partner has to be created because, unfortunately, we don't see a credible partner now that can hold Gaza and share the vision of those two states that the Americans are aiming to. We see the Palestinian Authority and we see Mahmoud Abbas. And Mahmoud Abbas is supporting terrorists. And Mahmoud Abbas is not holding the West Bank, Judea, and Samaria.  He has no control over Nablus. He has no control over Tulkarem and in Calculia. So he has no control, no security control now. We see his vision, which is not a vision of assured vision. He hasn't denounced the slaughter of the Hamas from October 7th. So we don't see a partner now. So I think it has to be a long, very gradual process. And I hope that what Yaakov said is a vision that Saudi Arabia will go into Gaza and will create a different atmosphere and a different way of living. Maybe that in the long run would create some kind of a credible partner. But at the time being, I don't see one. Abbas, he doesn't seem to have much sway in the Arab world, in the wider Arab world. Either, he does seem to be tolerated because he is the only Palestinian leader. But he doesn't seem to have many allies. I mean, if not him, who? What moderate Palestinian leader is there who could come forward? Look, I think everybody's waiting for the day after Abbas already. Within the Fatahs, within the Palestinian Authority, they're already jostling for power. So what happens within Fatah and the PA in the West Bank is actually going to be critical in and of itself as its own development. And then what will replace Hamas in the Gaza Strip? It's unknown right now. It's a major problem. It's a huge strategic challenge. It's clear that there are possible Fatah figures. They could be parachuted in. People have mentioned figures like Muhammad Dahlan, who's in the Emirates. And he has so far rejected that idea. And nobody wants to be seen to be riding on Israeli tanks into the Gaza Strip. But I think from Israel's perspective, whoever it is, they will have to be committed not to brainwashing an entire generation of people towards genocide and hate and GI. They will have to declare the end of the conflict, which no Palestinian leader has ever been able to do. It's enough to look at the textbooks that the Palestinians have. And we found them now in Gaza and to look at how they are demonizing Jews and Israel and all of that to understand that this is going to be a very long process of education towards their kids. Because for the time being, from the Palestinian Authority itself, not only from the Hamas, we see generations of textbooks that are calling for killing the Jews and destroying Israel. And this is not going to work. And also, of course, I completely agree with that. And also, the cyberspace Israel is going to have to clamp down on that extreme level of brainwashing where most of the youths are getting their propaganda and brainwashing from anyway. So even if the textbooks become normal, they are still, we still have to deal with what's going on online, social media. But above all of this, the most important thing, I think, is the freedom of movement that the IDF will have for years to come within the IDF. I'm not talking about a large-scale deployment. I'm talking about the ability to send in, just like in the West Bank in Area A, whenever intelligence does come in, and it will come in, of new terrorist capabilities being built, moving in quickly, taking it out, either arresting or taking it out and then coming back out. But isn't that a huge burden on the IDF? I mean, already keeping a lid on the terrorism in the West Bank is a huge job to then extend that to Gaza. Is that going to be possible? If that doesn't happen, Hamas will come back. And therefore, the IDF, already now, I believe, is already thinking about the new reality, the post-war reality. It's going to have to do continuous security missions in the Gaza Strip. It's going to have to get much bigger, I think, in order to be doing that. And it's going to have to be doing that for years. Otherwise, Hamas will come back. All right. Well, of course, 239 hostages are still being held by Hamas terrorists inside Gaza. There have been reports about a potential deal to free 80 women and children. The U.S. President Joe Biden spoke about the hostage crisis with the Emir of Qatar yesterday, and the families of the hostages are raising concerns about their loved ones' health issues. Take a listen. We know that among the abducted women, there are individuals with gunshot wounds, bone fractures, and additional physical injuries that happened during the brutal abduction.  Women with chronic illness, including complex cardiac conditions, kidney disease, hypertension, diabetes, mental conditions, and more. These medical conditions require specialized treatment and necessitate ongoing constellation with medical professionals. Denying these women essential medical care is a torture. It's a violation of international conventions and the principles of humanity. It puts their lives under risk. Well, with us now, Rami Ikhara is the former head of the Mossad's Missing in Action Unit. Thank you very much for being with us, Rami. And we have these reports told me about a potential hostage release. Should we pay attention to these reports? Is this another form of psychological warfare? To my mind, it's another form of psychological warfare, and I'll explain why. These two sides here have completely different objectives. The Hamas wants a ceasefire while we want our hostages. The Hamas is not interested in the prisoners that are now in the Israeli jails. Between the 6,000 prisoners we have in Israel, only about 1,000 are Hamas, and they have to be released to the Gaza Strip. God knows they prefer staying in our prisons and going back now to the Gaza Strip. So the real objective of Hamas, and it is essential for the existence of the future existence of Hamas, is ceasefire. And by giving ceasefire, we are probably losing, we will not be able to accomplish the aim of this whole battle. And the aim is to eradicate Hamas. Hamas cannot be there the day after this war. Qatar is always mentioned in these possible mediations. Should the United States be putting a lot more pressure on their non-NATO ally? I don't think that Qatar is close to the Hamas, but Qatar has no influence, no real influence on Sinwar, who lives underground, lives with the rest of the rats. And Sinwar is a serial killer with a history of serial killing. He was, by the way, he was not imprisoned in Israel because of killing Jews, but because of killing Arabs. So Sinwar is well known, by the way, for negotiating to the rough end. He is a very difficult negotiator and his interest is only one at this stage, ceasefire. The existence of Hamas is on the brink. And in order for Hamas to continue existing, he needs ceasefire. Now for ceasefire, he will do anything. And I would imagine as far as long as we step further and stronger on his neck as we're doing now, we will hear more and more complicity with our offices. So if you ask me, the negotiations today are part of trying to do anything that we can, but the other side is not really there. So if there was an offer to release dozens of hostages in exchange for a two to three day ceasefire, you would reject that? Of course. And I'll explain why again. There are two reasons. Hamas wants to ceasefire in order to understand what's happening in the battlefield. You imagine that Hamas right now is underground. They don't really know what's happening above ground. So this is one thing. They want to regroup and re-stock. So they're ready for continuing fighting with us. And the other reason is Hamas wants to bring in all the pro-Hamas journalist in the world in order to see the awful thing that has happened to Gaza. So the international pressure on Israel will be such, we will have to stop the war. And this is against our interest. So our interest is simple, eradicate Hamas. After that, everything else will happen. And I would imagine that the best way to get our hostages back home is by winning this war. By winning this war, by dismantling the Hamas, we will see the Hamas releasing by themselves without negotiations, just simply by the fact that they've lost the war, releasing our hostages. We suspect that the hostages could be held by multiple captures in multiple locations. This makes it even more difficult, doesn't it? And almost impossible to make one single deal. True. The Hamas only has 150 of our hostages. The Jihad has declared of having 30. And the rest are kept by refrafts that have gone into our settlements, into our Kibbutz team, and our settlements into the Kibbutz team, and taken their Pat Israeli back home to Gaza. This is difficult, but there have been a lot of public events, you know, real heart-breaking events when you see the empty chairs or the teddy bears or that kind of thing. Obviously, the families of the hostages want to keep the hostages in people's minds. But is there a risk that this makes them more valuable to the terrorists? Hearts. All our hearts in Israel are with these families that have lost their deal ones and that have their deal ones being kidnapped to the Gaza Strip. But this is really a binary decision for Israel. We have to make a decision in the future of this country. We can't have a future if organizations like Hamas are on our borders or making a deal now so we feel better today. Now, the thing is that there's no real deal. If there was a real deal, we will really have a big problem. But right now, if you ask me, there is no real deal. And what there is, there is one objective. Now, the objective is followed with all these families who are trying to make us feel the same way they do. But we already feel this way. I mean, I don't think there's one citizen in this country that doesn't have his full heart with these people. I mean, you ask me, I go down the streets in Tel Aviv and every time I see a young family, I'm thinking of the young families that are right now being kept in the Gaza Strip. So we're all there with our hearts. I don't think that we have to be persuaded, but we have to be strong. We have to be resolute. We have to win this war. Rami, you're great. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. And just briefly, I mean, Jacob, this is the hardest thing for Israel, isn't it, having to deal with this day-to-day? It's borderline impossible from a moral and emotional perspective. There are no words described. What can we say? But I think Rami made some very interesting points, that the more military progress is made, the more likely it is to secure a release. I think that Hamas, at least sections of some of the terrorists holding these hostages may be offered a deal in future saying, look, you can leave this residence if you let go of the hostages, these sort of micro deals that would obviously come after an Israeli victory in the Gaza Strip. I think those are the kinds of scenarios that Rami is outlining. But I do agree that Hamas' main goal is survivability. And he's holding on to these hostages. Hamas is holding on in order to promote that objective, not to secure the release of 1,000 or 2,000 prisoners, but to buy itself time. And that presents a very serious strategic dilemma. I disagree with Rami Igra. I think he set only one goal to this war, which is to eradicate Hamas. I do believe that releasing the hostages is a top goal, a priority for the state of Israel. I think that there is an unwritten contract that the state of Israel has to provide security for its citizens. And while some are in captivity and being taken as hostages, they have to be released. And if a serious deal is on the table, and I agree that Hamas is working on their survivability, and they're trying to gain as much time as possible and to gain a ceasefire. But having said that, if there is a serious deal on the table, Israel has to work on that and has to agree, because this is the contract, and this is between the state of Israel and its citizens. And this is one of the goals, one of the two goals of this war, and maybe the top goal of this war. And there is no victory image to this war without the hostages being released. Thank you very much. Well, 1400 people were murdered by Hamas terrorists, but teams of forensics are still combing through a large number of unidentified victims, along with their personal effects as well. And the Nova Music Festival in Kippur's Ram was, of course, the site of the biggest number of victims. We've got this report on the impossible task of returning belongings to their loved ones. In the last few days, officers of the Israeli police, Lahav 443 unit, have taken on a role they never thought they would. They're responsible for returning personal effects to families of the murdered and abducted on October 7. This week, the police arrived at Ziv's house and returned some of her boyfriend, Elia's, personal belongings left at the Nova Festival site. Elia was kidnapped to Gaza from the festival in Kibo Tzareim. Ziv was rescued from the party, but her nephew, Amit, was murdered right next to her. His belongings were returned to the family a few days ago, objects that have become a living memory. Idor Peretz from Ramat Gan was murdered at the Nova Festival at Rahim. He was 23 years old. This week, after a month of examinations and clean-ups of the scene, the police came to his parents' house with belongings he had during his last moments. At the center established in Lahav building 443, there are many belongings of the murdered and kidnapped. More than a month after that Black Saturday, the identification procedure has yet to be completed. We've received things which have yet to be identified and we still have no way of knowing who it belongs to. The police are currently working on the process of photographing and cataloging all these things and we will make sure to return all the items to the families in an orderly and organized manner. While the war has prompted a surge of innovation here in Israel, one group of volunteer technicians and engineers have got together to invent and produce a phone charger that can be used in military vehicles. It is indispensable to these soldiers at the front and here to tell us a bit more about that. Shaqed Angres is the Senior System Integration Engineer and founder and inventor. Let me get this right. Military vehicle, USB charging solution or MENCH? Yes, MENCH is the nickname. A couple of examples. So what I invented when the war started, we find out people have portable chargers and the portable chargers are running out. So we find out that in tanks and any cars and any army vehicle, there is no USB socket like a car, cigarettes, car socket. So we invented the MENCH, which can connect to any army vehicle and charge in USB. The idea at start was, sounds easy, but there was no product like that in the army. It didn't exist already. Yeah, so they didn't, I don't know. I don't know why. And we started to charge a soldier's phone and in about the 600th unit, we find out we're charging the tactic equipment and of course all the GoPro, all the video we see on the battlefield is charging by the USB. We are not even a non-profit organization. We're just a bunch of guys, engineers that find out an amazing solution. It's printed. This converter is printed in a 3D print all over Israel. People donate. Oh, really? 3D printer? Wow. So yeah, it's just a 3D model. How many did you make over the weekend? So this weekend we made 5000 of them. We give it like as a product to the soldiers. We made 5000. Till now we made 16,000 in total. We send it in the same day to the field by our own. We have volunteers. Yeah, sorry. I mean, I was just going to ask you how, I mean, do you have friends in the army? Is that how you found out that this was something that they needed? Um, I was looking for a portable charger, which was running out. So because there is everyone buys a portable charger. So I asked a friend, he put me in a group, someone talked about it. Someone asked me how I charge from a tank. I said, I have no clue for after a few minutes someone sent his design. It was so complicated. I couldn't fall asleep at night. Fall asleep like at four. I woke up. My wife said like, I can't help you with the kids. She was like, why? So like, I didn't fall asleep. I had like thought all night. I went to work. I work at AMP.  I went to the engineers and we I had they helped me to move my mind to a product. And then we want to do 120 and help soldiers. And then 600 1000 2000. Amazing. And that's what's happening all over the country. Isn't it people are just coming up with these the ways to help. They just want to help. Have you had some feedback from the troops? Yes, it's really helpful. It's charging. As I said, they charging their phones first. It's important to go home. Yeah, charging the like tactic equipment, which we can't say like even flashlights, everything and the go pros. What is amazing about this product and everything? It's Oh, we've got your just to let people know if you would like to donate to this fantastic initiative Israel donation force.org. There you go. You're taking donations, right? Yes, we're taking donations. We're trying to build as much as we can to help the soldiers in the field. And what else is amazing about it? We assembly it in a bit in a synagogue. She got see on in Tel Aviv. They gave us space space. Blessed charges. Yeah. Blessed charges. Yeah, I haven't thought about it. And I have my wife doing the operation. Yeah, I'm calling like we we manufacture in the same day. We calling the soldiers register online and we send it to the soldiers so they can have it. Incredible. Well, well done. Colac of odds to you and your your teammates. That's fantastic portable charges, helping the soldiers phone home, making things a little bit easier for them. That's great. And don't remember. Don't forget Israel donation force.org. If you would like to contribute to that. All right, well that wraps up tonight show. Thank you very much to Ken. Do stay with us. Caleb, Ben Devin will be with you next with all the very latest on this day, 38 of Israel's war with Hamas. Don't go away. It's all the war families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the frontline. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. Today we come together, not just the Jewish community. Step back to the women. They're individuals with gunshot wounds, bone fractures and additional physical injuries that happened during the brutal abduction.  Women with chronic illness, including complex cardiac conditions. Welcome to this special broadcast on I-24 news. I'm Caleb Ben David. It's day 38 of Israel's war against Hamas. There are rocket alerts now going off in the Tel Aviv area. We'll update you on that. Meanwhile, the IDF continues to make gains in the Gaza Strip, saying today its forces have taken out almost half of the terror groups. Top field command is in the northern half of the Strip. But that does come at a price with the IDF confirming the deaths of two more soldiers, bringing to 44 the number of fallen in the Gaza operation. Another fatality in the north as well as a civilian worker for Israel's electric company, the 56-year-old Shalom Aboudi dies from moon sustained yesterday from his Bola rocket fire. This is Israel continues to strike military positions on the of the Iran-backed militia in south Lebanon. Joining me in studio, we have our Middle East correspondent Owen Altman and our Middle East correspondent, excuse me, I've seen diplomatic correspondent Owen Altman and our Middle East correspondent Ariel Lusson. We're going to go ahead to the south right now, Zach Gander. Zach, we're having it here in the center. We're having a red alert right now. Fewer rocket warnings there in the south, most of the action now on the other side of the border there inside northern Gaza. Gleve, I'm looking right now at one of the attempted interceptions and there it was. This has been, they're still coming. This is okay, we've got about three outgoing Iron Dome interceptions as I speak to you. We've also noticed within the last half hour that several of the strikes, there's two more outgoing and the cloud cover here is quite thick. So you might not be able to see except the bright white flash. Zach, we're hearing the booms right now of those interceptions here in the studio pretty quite loud too. So we're seeing these interceptions in the south as well, Gleve. Yeah, also Ashkelon alerts in Ashkelon. Those are actually the first alerts we've had in Ashkelon in I think a few days at least. So it looks like a pretty heavy barrage there from Gaza to the center. And there's two more right there. Again, we are seeing the trail of the Iron Dome. We're not seeing the outgoing Hamas rockets and that would, from my experience, speak to these launch sites happening further in the southern end of the Gaza Strip. But what I was telling you there is about a half an hour ago, when we saw this first barrage of rockets, they came from in the direction and distance of Bet Hanun. That's speaking to potentially another rocket launch site that, of course, the IDF has put a heavy emphasis on eliminating these launch sites in the northern Gaza Strip. They say that's been a huge area of focus. But we did see these outgoing Hamas rockets come from the direction and distance of Bet Hanun speaking to potentially another launch site there. All right. Zach Kander's there down on the stairwell near the Gaza border. Thank you for that. Ariel, what do we have on this latest rocket attack here coming to us here right in Tel Aviv? We've just been hearing the booms right here in the studio. Indeed, and Hamas's military wing, the Al Qassam Brigade's wasting no time saying that this latest barrage of rockets towards Tel Aviv area is in response to attacks on what they call on civilian populations. And this is how they justify all their rocket barrages towards civilian populations inside Israel. And look, we shouldn't be surprised that they're firing still 38 days in. Also to Tel Aviv, they're going to fire until the last day of the war, whenever that is. If it's tomorrow, next week, or next year, they will still be able to maintain fire until the end. They will have to calculate as the war progresses how long, you know, how to manage that firepower. But indeed, they are going to continue to launch at Tel Aviv at these key hours, eight o'clock. They know that millions of Israelis are watching the news glued to the TV. As we are now and know that they're bringing the news that they can still, they still have the capacity to fire a fairly big barrage, it looks like, in the center of the country. Hopefully, all of them, or most of them, certainly, are decepted by Iron Dome. Indeed, look, throughout this war, the Iron Dome has proven its consistency in intercepting at least 95% of everything that it targets. Again, this will continue, albeit since the ground operation began, there has been fewer barrages of rockets towards Israel, and also fewer towards the center of Israel, because physically, they're limited in their launch capacity in the northern part of the strip, so they have to go further south. Obviously, they can fire rockets at Tel Aviv from Rafa, the most southern point of the Gaza Strip. But it's more challenging and as there are more forces in Gaza and as they continue to advance, this will challenge their launch capabilities, but it won't take it away. Well, you're talking about the idea of forces continuing to advance, so we have prepared a map. Let's take a look and run us through. What we know, of course, there's some information we can't give away, but let's talk about the situation there in northern Gaza. Right, so we're already over two weeks, two and a half weeks into this ground operation, and if, in our first updates, the forces were in the northern parts, now the focus is really Gaza City. And you can see how much the forces have advanced from the different axes, but obviously, the center being Gaza City. Now, another point to look at is that we've been talking about a lot in recent days, is the Shifa Hospital, the biggest hospital of the Gaza Strip's 35 medical institutions. Now, according to footage from Al Jazeera as well as the hospital manager himself, Israeli forces are around Shifa Hospital. They were even fired at from another hospital. The idea for least footage at Al Kutz Hospital in the north, but indeed Israeli forces are, this is, you can turn on Al Jazeera and see that Israeli forces outside Shifa Hospital. And this is a key point in western Gaza City because it's believed to be the above ground shield for Hamas' underground main headquarters. And so you have forces operating in Beit Hanun moving downwards, also Beit Lahiya, the forces have really advanced further south. We've also talked about fighting in Jabalia, in Ashati, as well as forces that have reached the coastline from the Nitzarim axis already last week. And so you can really see that the circle of Israeli forces closing in on Gaza City, the port of Gaza also in IDF hands. And so they managed to pretty much cut off the entire coastal route. And you can see how in just about, just over two and a half weeks, Israeli forces have rapidly made their way to the heart of Gaza City, as well as key installations throughout the Gaza Strip, mainly obviously the north. Right now, you mentioned this other hospital, Al Kutz Hospital in Gaza City. Now Hamas' terrorists did open fire from there with handheld rocket launches on IDF troops from the entrance of that hospital. In return, fire Israeli forces killed 21 of the terrorists. And in Brussels, the European Union Foreign Minister Joseph Burrell finally condemned Hamas for using Gaza's hospitals as human shields. Let's listen to what he said. We condemn the use of Hamas as hospitals and people as human shields. And on the other hand, we ask Israel for maximum restraint and targeting in order to avoid human casualties. All right, I'll start with them. Yeah. Okay. And Owen, better late than ever, from Joseph Burrell there. Israel has been, from day one, has been talking about these hospitals even before that. But you had a briefing from Israel's foreign ministry relating to the international reaction to Israel's operation in Gaza. Just fill us in on what you heard there. Right. This morning, Israel time collab with Foreign Minister Eli Cohen. The part of the briefing that's gotten the most attention in Israeli media, and for that matter here, too, of course, is the headline from it, right? That Eli Cohen estimates that the diplomatic window, if you will, to support Israel's the current intensity of military operations in the Gaza Strip, he estimates that two to three weeks came under some attack from that, including from within his own party from lawmaker Donny Danone, frequent guest here in I-24 News, shooting back that Israel needs to continue the operation until the achievement of the goals of toppling Hamas and returning the hostages. Eli Cohen, of course, answering back, and I think rightly so, was taken out of context the way it was allowed to be reported by the foreign ministry that, of course, he doesn't support that diplomatic window. He was simply stating it as a matter of fact, and he supports, of course, continuing with the operation as long as possible. But I actually think even the more interesting parts of the briefing weren't that. The more interesting parts, to me, with the situation and with the hospitals in the Gaza Strip, of course, talking about the Shifa and al-Quds and the rest, what to do with the patients, what to do with the injured inside the hospitals, the UAE with the field hospital already in the Gaza side of the Rafiq border crossing, the Egyptians with an Egyptian field hospital in the Egyptian side, the French with the hospital ship on its way, third countries potentially willing to accept some of those patients and some of the injured. And so obviously, solutions being found for what to do, and of course, civilians deserving good quality medical care in a safe place. And obviously, for those civilians, we wish them a speedy recovery, and that solutions can be found. Maybe more later, if we have more time on the situation of the sea quarter that's being proposed from Cyprus into the Gaza Strip. Let's get that aside for now, because you mentioned civilian casualties in Gaza, but they're also here in Israel. We did have another one in the North today. Let's go to our correspondent, Nicole Sedeca, near the Lebanon border. And Nicole, another fatality that coming from the incident yesterday, a rainy night, obviously, there in the North, but also, mortars and rockets also continue to rain in northern Israel and the IDF responding. That's right, Kalev. So that death marks the third civilian death that's happened here on the northern front since October 7th. And we're absolutely seeing an increase in military activity here in the North. And the IDF says that they are striking back hard. In fact, within the past hour and a half or so, the IDF came out with a statement, as far as the activity that we have seen today. They said that earlier today, terrorists had fired at multiple different locations in northern Israel and to all of those different incidents. The IDF had fired back with artillery. In addition to that, the IDF, one of their tanks, also struck a terror cell in southern Lebanon that was preparing to launch some anti-tank guided missiles. Now that comes also after earlier today. We saw some of those anti-tank guided missiles fired from southern Lebanon into northern Israel, Hezbollah claiming responsibility for those incidents as well. So they are claiming for responsibility for all of the different anti-tank guided missiles, the different rockets, the different drones, the unmanned aerial vehicles as well that we've seen. So it continues to be a very heavy and increasing situation here. We heard from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier in the day as well regarding the situation that we're seeing in the north and the escalation that we're seeing. And he said that Hezbollah or any terror activity that is going to increase, he says that they're playing with fire. And all that fire he says is going to be met with stronger fire from Israeli forces. He says everything that we're seeing in the north right now is just a sliver of the military capabilities that Israel can and will unleash on northern or southern Lebanon, on the northern front if they need to. So in Netanyahu's words they're ready for this escalation, but threatening Hezbollah not to get more involved than it already is. All right, Nicole Sedeck there in the northern Israel. We have a Lebanon border. Nicole, thank you for that. And Ariel, we've also prepared a map to show us the northern front and some of the action here. Let's take a look at that. Right, so just before that because there's a statement released by Defense Minister Joav Galant. Important statement where he talks about the advancement of the forces in Gaza saying that Hamas has lost control over the Gaza Strip. Terrorists are fleeing south and civilians are looting Hamas outposts and command centers. And that is key because that illustrates the, not just lost control, but the fact that they've lost their respect. If they've even had it at the beginning, they've lost the fear from the people. And that is key moving forward in these crucial days and weeks moving forward. And don't forget, again to remind viewers, the loss of Hamas control over territory in the Gaza Strip is the central goal of the war. So if in fact that's happening, even if at the time being it's only in the northern part of the Gaza Strip, is a tremendously important development in milestone over the course of the war. And unprecedented since 2007. Absolutely. Hamas sees full control of the Gaza Strip certainly. And we're still waiting, of course, Rear Admiral Daniel Higari, the IDF spokesperson, will give his nightly briefing. We hope soon maybe get more details about that. But in the meantime, let's go back to the north. We heard Nicole's report to fill us in on how that battleground is shaping up our area. Right. So if we can play the map and we can zoom forward, zoom in, we can see that the clashes are really spread out across the border. It's the whole front there. Every day you have different outposts that are targeted mainly in the western, central, and eastern part. That's how they're divided into also according to Hezbollah. Hezbollah is the western unit Aziz, the eastern unit Nasser, which continues all the way up there. And so it's really aligned with Israeli. And the Israeli outposts so are the ones in the yellow. And so they're in yellow. Yeah. Arab and Arab Shatula and Natua were targeted with anti-tank guided missiles, also Hardov, which is all the way at the end. That was a couple of hours ago. In red, we're seeing Israeli retaliations, air strikes, and artillery. We have in Nakura, Aytashab, Yerun, and Ainata. Now in Yerun, there are claims of El Mayadin. It's a pro-Hezbollah Lebanese TV crew claiming that they were targeted specifically by IDF forces. Indeed, Lebanese media releasing footage of a strike in the vicinity of that crew. But to our knowledge, no one in that crew was hurt. Indeed, in none of the strikes today were their casualties. Nicole mentioned the confirmation of a casualty from yesterday's strike. But indeed, every day, this changes. It's one day it's Arab and Arab Shatula, then it will be just nearby. But I was going to say, maybe point up to, it's not on the map, but let's point to Kiryat Shmona, the town. Kiryat Shmona up here. That's been a real center. And of course, one of the fatalities coming from really in what we call the finger of the Galilee. This area here, Hezbollah with significant and clear topographic advantage using their height advantage over Israel in that area. And of course, the evacuation of Kiryat Shmona, key, not only Kiryat Shmona, but all Israeli border communities in a four kilometer radius, key for the safety of those citizens. However, there is still a lot of criticism because the rockets, the mortars are reaching past the four kilometer line, and they're still waiting for proper adequate solutions by authorities. I want to look at a report that you prepare, speaking of the Northern Front, on one of Hezbollah's elite units, the so-called Radwan Force. Now, back in May, they rehearsed an assault on Northern Israel, including storming the border fence, and a mock seizure of an IDF outpost. Now, if that scenario sounds familiar, that's because that's exactly what Hamas' elite Nukhba unit did, unfortunately, last month in southern Israel. So what is this Radwan unit? And could it still surprise the IDF in the North amid this escalating cross-border fires? Let's look at this report from Ariel. Hamas' October 7th onslaught on southern Israel caught the country completely by surprise. Well, maybe not entirely, since the IDF had been preparing for such a scenario, just not from Gaza. In fact, it had known about it for years. I say to the fighters of the Islamic resistance, be prepared for the day when war is imposed on Lebanon, and the leadership of the resistance may ask you to conquer the Galilee. The elite commando force tasked with this mission, the Radwan unit, named after the late leader of Hezbollah's military wing, Imad Murnia, nicknamed Hajredwan, and with 5,000 highly trained fighters, the main mission of the Radwan unit is to infiltrate into Israeli territory and conquer towns or bases in the Galilee. The Radwan force is considered Hezbollah's most elite unit. It is well-trained in urban and guerrilla warfare, given its extensive experience in fighting terrorism in Syria. Back in 2014, Lebanon's pro-Hezbollah El Mayadine TV station aired a breakdown of Radwan's attack strategy, copied almost exactly by Hamas last month in its rampage in the south. It begins with a massive opening rocket barrage. Then, the elite forces' five battalions stormed the border, each designated with taking control over a different area of Israel's north. The goal? To seize the territory for as long as possible, while killing as many Israelis, soldiers and civilians as they can. And following Hamas' success, Hezbollah's escalating cross-border attacks, including striking the border and creating gaps along the fence, has Israel concerned. Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into a war. That might happen. It is making mistakes. And who makes these mistakes here? Those who will pay the price are first and foremost, Lebanon's citizens. What we are doing in Gaza, we can do in Beirut. The reason for these threats is their high level of concern regarding what is happening on the Lebanese front and its development in terms of quantity, quality and depth. Of course, we will continue in this position and this performance. Pay attention to what's happening on the ground, not what we are saying, Nasrallah suggested in his speech. And the situation on the ground is indeed slowly but gradually escalating. And a little frightening to think about that unit sitting right across the border. And you wonder if the residents of those northern communities that have been evacuated are going to feel confident when the fighting dies down to go back to their homes, right on that fence. If we're listening to what they're saying right now, they're not. And they're saying that we will not return as long as there is a Hamas like or even stronger than Hamas, elite force right on our border. Because the difference, the distance between the Gaza border communities and the Gaza Strip, there were a few about a mile, a half a mile. But in some of the areas along the border with Lebanon, they say, residents of Metula say they can see the Radoan fire from their kitchen. They are homes in Metula next to the border. I was in Google Maps and one of those homes that we're literally, you look out the window and people on the Lebanese border are looking through the window. One of the residents told me there's a laser light which shall be shining on us from that. It's not a figure of speech. It's literal. They can see them from their kitchen windows. And I will just note that what is concerning, even though there is a significant presence by IDF forces as well as the evacuation of the border communities, the existence of breaches along the border fence. This is something that his fellow pundits are pushing, pumping on social media. Pictures of the border fence with a gap in it. There are multiple of these, a few of these. The IDF is refusing to comment, but they are indeed aware of this. Well, let's go back down now to Gaza. As we mentioned this comment by the Defense Minister of Garland that Hamas has lost control of parts, certainly of the northern part of the Strip. Of course, that opens up the possibility to start talking about what could come next. What is the day after? And let's get back to that briefing you had with the Foreign Minister Ali Kohn. Oh, and anything on that issue, increasing people looking at the potential day after in Gaza. Right. Well, I'll focus on what we can report. And Kalev, what's fascinating is there's an avenue that the Israeli government is going to use the provision of humanitarian aid as a kind of bridge to the day after. What do I mean? A potential C corridor opening up from Cyprus, right? There would be a boat in Cyprus to be security checks by the Israeli military. And then that boat would go from Cyprus to Gaza carrying humanitarian aid, another avenue, right? Not just the trucks crossing over from Egypt, but aid being provided by C and that quarter the plan is would continue to operate on the day after. So again, using the provision of humanitarian aid and the avenues for providing humanitarian aid as a kind of bridge in a way of establishing facts for the day after. And again, the game plan, certainly from Ali Kohn's perspective, is a complete disengagement of Israel from the Gaza Strip, from the civilian perspective, no passage of people, no passage of commercial goods. As he put it quite memorably, the coordination office, meaning at the border, will be turned into a museum. Meaning from his perspective, those border crossings at Arez, at Karmie would simply stop functioning. And there would be a complete border closure between the Gaza Strip and the State of Israel. All of the aid would come in from Egypt or from the sea. Maybe easier said than done for starters, Israel wants, as we've heard from the Prime Minister, right, security control over the Gaza Strip. Security envelope. Exactly. So the military would be able to cross those borders, but the civilian side would come from Egypt or from the sea. How will that play out internationally? And also, of course, as has been said, the Biden administration, right, is still looking for a passage to a two-state solution. Seeing the Gaza Strip as in a sense connected with the West Bank, right, that would envision some kind of connection through the State of Israel, maybe not physically at first, right? Obviously not, but at least in principle. So again, how is the Israeli government going to be able to argue on one hand for the security connection between Israel and the Gaza Strip, which is going to be fundamental, right, given all that's happened, but a civilian disengagement and aid coming not only from Egypt from across the sea? Finally, one final note on the briefing. The security of Israeli missions abroad, the extent and the number of warnings against those missions, we can't elaborate too much, but Kalevim, just telling viewers, don't underestimate the challenge, don't underestimate the scope, and don't underestimate the depth of the problem and the potential warnings that Israeli diplomats and Israeli missions face abroad. Right. And I just want to remind viewers, maybe we're so much shorter memories of you, younger than me, that in the 1990s, following the signing of the Oslo Accords, Israel did facilitate the building of a new port in Gaza and a new airport. And of course, that was the original intention to envision to Gaza to be have its own connections. It was only really after the outbreak of the Second Intifada, and then of course the takeover by Hamas that ended that dream of that and perhaps could be revised following the displacement of Hamas from Gaza Strip. To be clear, no talk about an airport right now. That's anyway, even a talk of a port. And also, by the way, right, there are technical issues to be overcome in terms of actually having ships of that size be able to come to Gaza. By the way, we also mentioned we saw Joseph Burrell earlier on the UFO and policy chief, he is also talking about the sea quarter. So there's interest from their eyes. We have to go out for a break, Ariel. We could pick this up when we come back. Stay with us though. We're going to continue our special broadcast, Israel's war against Hamas Day 38. We'll be right back after a break. Let's move now to the United States, where Jewish groups from across the political and religious spectrum are set to come together tomorrow for a mass rally in Washington, D.C. That's to express both support for Israel and against the wave of anti-Semitism that has surged in the U.S. since October 7th. For more, let's go to our senior U.S. correspondent, Mike Wagenheim. In the York and Mike, we've seen no end to the seams of these pro-Palestinian anti-Israel, some could say anti-Pro Hamas rallies in the U.S. over the past month. What about this rally tomorrow in Washington? This is the Jewish community, the pro-Israel community's answer to what we've been seeing out on the streets here and sometimes violent pro Hamas demonstrations throughout the United States. The national mall tomorrow will be filled from 1 to 3 p.m. Eastern time. That's 8 to 10 p.m. Israel time with what organizers told us this morning will be anywhere from 40 to 60,000 expected attendees. There'll be speeches throughout the afternoon, though the exact speaker list won't be released until tonight. But listen, every train, every Amtrak train from New York to Washington is booked up tomorrow. Believe me, I checked. I'm glad I got my ticket in advance. Buses from major cities, coach buses have been booked. Every Jewish organization, Jewish schools are closing down tomorrow, sending their students, sending their faculty to Washington for this event. We expect it to be a pretty extraordinary moment here in American Jewry coming up tomorrow in D.C. All right. But speaking of D.C., Mike, what is the status of this move to get this emergency funding in aid to Israel, figures like $14 billion, have it thrown around? Mike Johnson, the new Speaker of the House, was just in Israel on a solidarity visit. But what is the prospect of him actually getting that aid, the bill for that, through Congress, or at least through the House? Solidarity is always good, but we've got to get down to brass tacks at some point here. And it looks like the aid bill is stuck in Congress due to the internal political machinations of the Republicans here who have tried to attach to that aid cuts to the IRS, which are a non-starter with Democrats. And the bill sitting outside the House, it's passed the House, but it has no chance whatsoever in the Democratic-led Senate and no real path forward here. And on top of that, by the way, government shutdown is looming on Friday if no continuing resolution is passed, and it doesn't look like there's a whole lot of support or enough support in the House, let alone the Senate, to pass what the Republicans want to pass right now in terms of a continuing resolution. So this aid bill is simply stuck in the mud right now, and there doesn't appear to be any clear path out of it, at least within the next few weeks. It could possibly take months to work through what needs to be worked through internally here within the Congress to actually get to a foreign aid that's needed for Israel, Ukraine at all. All right, Mike, stay with us, because another big event coming up in the US is this meeting on Wednesday between President Joe Biden and the Chinese President Xi Jinping. It's going to be the first face-to-face discussion they've had in a year. It's going to be at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit in San Francisco. Now, of course, bilateral relations between the world's two leading powers are going to surely dominate that discussion, but the Israel Hamas War will also likely be on their agenda. Here are comments today from both China, China's and Iran's foreign ministries touching on the topic. The conflict in the Gaza Strip has been going on for more than a month. The humanitarian situation there is now extremely grave. The difficulty facing Shifa Hospital epitomizes the humanitarian crisis in the whole Gaza region. China calls for an immediate ceasefire among the conflicting parties, everything possible to protect civilians and a greater humanitarian aid effort to ease the humanitarian crisis. Relevant parties need to take substantive measures and make a greater effort to this end. The Chinese government is expected to advise the American authorities, especially their American peer, based on correcting the wrong behavior it has towards the Palestine and Gaza issue, and hopefully the American government will listen wisely to its Chinese counterpart in this regard. Mike, no shortage of topics that Washington and Beijing disagree on from, of course, Taiwan to Ukraine, just to their trade issues. But it looks like now the Israel Hamas War is going to be added to that, to that list. Unavoidable. And, you know, China with its relations with the U.S., with its impact that it's made in the Middle East through its Belt and Road Initiative, really gaining influence over the last five, six years. In fact, several countries like Saudi Arabia have kind of hedged toward China. And Israel, by the way, included in that have hedged toward China fearful that America wouldn't have its back at a moment of truth here. So China does have influence in the Middle East. It's also run cover for the likes of Russia and Iran at the UN Security Council when it comes to demeaning Israel and backing up Hamas, essentially, at the UN Security Council. So there'll be much to discuss here between the U.S. and China. It's unavoidable right now at any meeting, any kind of summit amongst world leaders, whether the U.S. and China are involved or not, to avoid the repercussions of the Israel Hamas War right now. It really impacts everything globally at this moment in time. And I want to think that the Israeli government, or in particular Prime Minister Netanyahu, did try to sort of play the so-called China card in recent years, less than diplomatic pressure from Europe and even the U.S. on it. And now where the situation with China has firmly reestablished itself in sort of an oppositionist camp, at least to Israel on these issues. Yeah, Israel has tried to do as much business with China as it can get away with in terms of its relationship with the United States. And in a sense, I think that will remain true even after the war, given how important China is. That said, look, the Chinese have discovered that they're not just a whale that comes to the Middle East because they need to eat oil, right, so to speak, and to sell their goods and consume and beer for economic reasons as an emerging superpower. They've discovered that they have political interests here as well in confronting the United States. And listen, the era of balancing between the United States and China may be coming to an end, right? People laughed at me in a sense when, a few years ago, I talked about a division between the Chinese and the United States in the Middle East. We saw that on stage at the UN General Assembly in September with Netanyahu's red marker, right, a kind of division of the Middle East between a pro-American and pro-Chinese bloc. You can argue that this war has only accelerated it and that a coming normalization in the medium term between Israel and Saudi Arabia united under the American hug, if you will, under the American embrace could be a further development in the hardening of blocs, including in the Middle East between the U.S. and China. I've always said that the Chinese factor would not going to be a factor in taking the United States out of the Middle East, pivoting the U.S. to the Indo-Pacific, but would actually be what brings the United States back to the Middle East, and I suspect we're about to see that play out in the next few years. All right. I want to thank Mike Wagenheif for joining us, Mike. I just have an announcement. It looks like the briefing, the nightly briefing, by IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Higari has been moved to 9.30 local time in Israel more than an hour after. Now, that could be a sign, of course, of the latest developments, waiting for the latest developments in Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza, which has been intensifying today as we've been reporting IDF really asserting control over the northern part of the strip and Hamas losing whatever control it had in that area. Now, as this happens, Israel's security and intelligence apparatus have been able to obtain more details about that surprise attack waged by Hamas on October 7th. And also just how deep it was intended to go. A senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regif has more on the latest action from Gaza and the latest information to get out from there. Slowly but decisively, the IDF is taking over more and more of the northern Gaza Strip. Every movement is dangerous as explosive tunnels can appear in every step and terrorists can still pop up from the ground. As the forces push forward, they once again find evidence of civilian areas being used by terrorists for their purposes. Sometimes using their own homes and families as shields. In the home of the northern brigade ammunition chief of the Islamic Jihad, we found plenty of ammunition, military vests, military uniform, along with images of the leaders of the Iranian axis. As opposed to the terrorists, Israel is hoping to minimize civilian casualties. That is why fuel is provided by IDF soldiers to the Shifa hospital. Despite the concern, it will eventually be used by the terrorists hiding in the tunnels below the hospital. That is also the reason behind the daily safe passage corridors, allowing Gazans to head south and flee from the current fighting area. The road is open, the Israeli troops are standing on the side. But the road itself is open. On Salahadin Street, the road is clear. As the fighting now wages in the strip, the plans Hamas head for the fighting within Israeli territory are now revealed. According to the Washington Post, some of the militants carried enough food ammunition and equipment to allow them to head deep into Israel much deeper than they eventually did. According to the report, it was not only major Israeli cities they were after, but possibly wanted to reach the West Bank, thus uniting the two Palestinian fronts in what would have been a major propaganda victory. It was a very ambitious plan, which the entire Israeli security establishment simply missed. Whenever something that is going to happen, and we don't believe that it might happen, or we don't want to believe, we find all the explanations, the excuses in order to explain ourselves that this is not true. Once again, Israel learned the hard way that the plans and capabilities of the other side should be taken seriously. The Israeli mobilization may have stopped the plan of combining the fronts, but the price paid. More than 1,000 civilians in the border communities who were killed should forever serve as a reminder. Ariel, disturbing to think just how far, how ambitious that Hamas plan wasn't, how far they were able to come on it. But just to show you how quickly the worm can turn, so to speak, pictures coming out of Gaza this evening that really hit home, that point we've been making here in the studio about how much Hamas has lost control of northern Gaza, at least. Yeah, they've lost effective control. This picture is our troops from the IDF's Gulani brigade posing inside Gaza's parliament building. This is after taking control over the site. Now, if you're wondering where the parliament building is, so it's in Gaza City's main Omar al-Muhtar street, it is about three or four blocks to the east of Shifa Hospital. And that just illustrates how deep inside Gaza City Israeli troops are. Obviously, a historic photo from inside the parliament in the Gaza Strip, parliament that hasn't really been active since 2007. I would imagine it has not been active yet. Not too active, but indeed the fact that IDF forces reaching the site so quickly, posing obviously this script for Israeli IDF morale. Yeah, I'll say I'm not always a big fan of the performative photography of the troops inside Gaza, but this is an exception. This is a major site. It has real meaning for the soldiers to be standing there with Israeli flags in demonstrating, right? In demonstrating what Defense Minister Yov Golan said a short time ago, that Hamas control is falling apart in the northern part of the Strip. The Israeli military is establishing that control with all that that implies for the success of the war. And all that means hopefully for the better, right? For Gaza civilians. Right. I want to get back for a minute to that report of Jonathan Regas and the plan by Hamas to even try to make it into the West Bank if possible, to link Gaza and the West Bank. Part of their strategy, it seems that they were counting on, was a mass uprising in the West Bank. And there has been certainly an upsurge in terror activity in the West Bank over the past month, the aerial and an upsurge and an increase in Israel's response to it. But at least Israel has been managed to contain it. So the deeper aspirations of Hamas to create that uprising, that popular uprising in the West Bank did not come to fruition. Maybe not in the West Bank and in Israel, but they did also call on people in the world, supporters of Hamas, supporters of the Palestinian people, to carry up an uprising outside the borders of Israel that we are seeing happening. I mean, you have crowds in London and New York calling for a new intifada. So indeed they at least heated their call. But if we're talking about the plans, the original plans of Hamas on October 7th, I think the best illustration besides the battle plans that were found and the interrogation of Hamas terrorists who were captured following their rampage, just the amount of explosives, the weapons, the sheer volume, they're saying that they had different explosive experts in the IDF saying that the quantity of explosive devices, just devices that open locked doors in homes, they found hundreds of unused devices of that kind. And that is just one example. They indeed plan to get as far as they could, as many homes as they could, and not just bombs and explosives to enter bases, but again, hundreds of bombs to enter civilian homes. This is a fact. I mean, these are weapons that IDF forces exposed and that is further proof to how far they plan to get to, obviously connecting a land bridge, a land corridor to the West Bank, a clear, that would have been a clear, significant achievement. And also they did plan to stay and they had gear to keep them for many days, sustain them for many days inside Israel. But the fact is that the emergency squads in the different border communities and the initial forces that did somehow make it to the scene at already 10 a.m., 11 a.m., they blocked the possibility of Hamas to take it even further, make it even more deadly for them. They tried to kill as many soldiers and civilians. Yes, and they certainly unfortunately did succeed beyond the least what Israel thought would be capable of. Of course, it could have been worse. But I want to go on, you mentioned that those protests in London, those rallies pro-Palestinian maybe just as more accurately anti-Israel, in some cases anti-Jewish. Now Israel's war against Hamas is impacting on the political atmosphere in many other countries, including as we just said, the UK. Now in London today, the Prime Minister Rishi Sunak sacked his Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, after she spoke out strongly against those pro-Palestinian protests, such as the one yesterday on Hamas to stay in the British capital. She said police should be taking a toughest stance against incitement being spoken there. Now Sunak also brought back into Ten Downing Street today, the former Prime Minister David Cameron to serve as Foreign Minister, a very rare political move in the UK. For more, let's go to our senior UK correspondent, Jonathan Santodote, in London. First of all, let's just talk about Suella Braverman because it does seem her fate was decided by her opposition or her outspokenness on those rallies that we've seen in London and other British cities. Well, I think that was definitely the final straw for Suella Braverman. She made a point of saying that she was very much disapproving of those protests, those rallies.  And that's really what did for her in the end because the Times article from last Thursday is one that she had to pass through number 10, as is normal for a member of the Cabinet. They suggested some changes and she ignored those suggestions. So at that point, I think rather than even the content of what she was saying, which wasn't really that far out of line with the government's position, it was the fact that she was just insubordinate that meant that he had to get rid of her. And it was a convenient moment as well because Suella Braverman has had several other issues recently. She said that homelessness was a lifestyle choice, not that long ago. She's also been very closely associated with the policy of sending illegal migrants to Rwanda rather than keeping them in the UK. And all of these things meant that her name was coming up more and more in not so favourable ways, which was just a problem and a distraction for a prime minister who's trying his best to hold it together for a general election probably next year, which he's fully expected to lose. Right. And let's talk about David Cameron. I mean, beyond just for people who study British political history, it's pretty unusual move. But I think for us more significant is if that's any way perhaps can impact on British policy towards Israel and the conflict here, which has been some would say surprisingly supportive. And if does David Cameron's return to the Whitehall signal maybe a shift in that at all? Well, we will have to wait and see on that one. It's not entirely obvious that it will make a big difference. As you say, I think the current situation has been one where Britain's been unusually supportive of Israel. Not that Britain isn't normally supportive, but it's just been extra supportive this time around. But that's been true the world over, I think, because I think that the scale of the attack, the savagery, the brutality of the Hamas attack on the 7th of October resonated around the world. I think it was very difficult for countries to do anything other than support Israel wholeheartedly in those circumstances. But as you've seen, that has started to slip around the world a bit slower than it usually does when there's an engagement in Gaza. So we'll see if David Cameron makes a difference on that. David Cameron, as foreign secretary, is an interesting choice, not necessarily focusing on the Middle East. But because he's had a few foreign policy disasters in his time as Prime Minister, not least Brexit, which whatever one thinks about the outcome, he very much stuck his name to the remain side. He's the one that's responsible for having called the referendum in the first place to try and get rid of the problem altogether. He then went to the EU to try to renegotiate Britain's position in the EU so that he could campaign for remain. The EU rejected that, gave him absolutely nothing, and he came back and campaigned to stay in the EU anyway, and then lost. That's what ended his career. He stepped down immediately after that, both as Prime Minister and then as a member of parliament. So in fact, we're in the unusual position that he's becoming the foreign secretary without actually being an elected member of parliament. Rishi Sunak has had to make him a Lord. And as a Lord, he's able to become a member of the cabinet here, the foreign secretary. And that's also worth noting because we now have a Prime Minister who is never elected by the general population to be Prime Minister, who's appointing a foreign secretary who's not been elected at all as a member of parliament in this parliament. So it's looking less and less democratic, the government, though Rishi Sunak's hoping that getting a previous Prime Minister in a sort of elder statesman, somebody with experience, and who also is not a threat to his job in the future. There's very little chance that David Cameron will be trying to take over as leader of the Tory party or Prime Minister in the future. He's been there and done that. I think that Sunak's balancing these two things together and hoping that maybe this will be a very big and bold decision that might make a difference. But in terms of Israel, I can't say it's shifting the government's position on the war at the moment. Well, unlike the UK and Israel we've had in the recent political history, certainly examples of Prime Ministers both coming back into office and even coming back to serve in cabinet positions. Eir Barak would be one example of that. Jonathan Satchadoti, thank you for that. Now heading south again, Kibbutz Yad Mordechai, which is just north of the Gaza Strip, holds a storied place in Israeli history, thanks to the valiant stand its defenders took against the invading Egyptian army in 1948's War of Independence. Now on October 7th, Israeli forces at Yad Mordechai once again found themselves under attack and once again proved their heroic medal. Rishi Pira has that story. Kibbutz Yad Mordechai bordering the Gaza Strip. This beautiful place is mostly famous for its honey factory and its museum. But on October 7, it became famous for another reason. It was one of the communities attacked by Hamas terrorists. They were planning to come in here, the fully equipped RPGs and all the rest. We have a small border police unit here, which happened to be away because that morning the number of rockets that were falling was enormous. Together with the security team from the Kibbutz, who also wake for many reasons, but one of them because a number of rockets that were falling and they got calls from their friends from the Moushaab and from other Kibbutz team saying there's a terrorist attack. So everybody was awake. As the six came close, the military, the police, the border police came down and there was a gunfight. You can see all this was damaged by hand grenades. There's a pole over there with the RPG hit. This whole area there was a gunfight that went on for 20 something minutes. The 12 terrorists were killed. The story of Yad Mordechai goes back to 1943. A group of Jewish activists moved from another Kibbutz in the north. In 1948, during Israel's independence war, the Kibbutz was attacked by Egyptian forces, which invaded the new state. The members of the Kibbutz together with a small unit from the Palmach took these trenches, which were here. These are the original trenches. And the idea was that they had to stop the Egyptian army for several days until the new army, the new IDF that was just being established, was able to come down south with its forces, prepare itself north of here in a junction called Ad Halom up until now, which is just north of Ashkelon, and then be ready and prepared for the Egyptian army to come to block them from entering into Israel. The name Yad Mordechai honors Mordechai Nilevich, the leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The museum is also dedicated to this prominent event, which shaped the history of the Jewish people. On October 23, a rocket fell inside the museum, damaging the exhibition room, which models the bunker which was used by Nilevich and the Warsaw Ghetto Jewish Resistance Group in 1943. The missile rocket penetrated the ceiling and came in right into here, landed in here, and that's why you see this hole here damaged. And we covered the entrance because of rain, but beforehand light came in. The home museum was flooded with water. It hit the water system, and nobody knew from the kibbutz members that the museum was hit because they were in a wartime and nobody was paying attention until several days went by and the water just flowed out of the museum. So the museum was significantly damaged, it was actually under the water, and that's why we're in dark right now, no electricity, no water. Ironically IDF troops who came to secure the kibbutz a few weeks ago were stationed inside the trenches used in the independence war, creating a direct line between 1943, 1948, and 2023. Yad Mordechai again standing tall, as it did in the war of independence. When you're going to be leaving us as the broadcast continues, but let's talk a little more about the hospitals. That has been the focus now. We heard from Mio Sopral, we've seen Israel's response, Israel at the Al-Quds Hospital, now Shifa Hospital. That is shaping up at least the key battle for this part of the conflict. The drama continues and maybe reaching its crescendo collab. We've obviously talked about it a lot over the last few days, but it just bears repeating. The element of drama here, right? The largest hospital in the Gaza Strip on one hand, and Hamas's Pentagon on the other. This is in a sense the Super Bowl of international law in a sad sense. And obviously a horrific position for the Israeli military and for our society to be in, has to be handled in an incredibly delicate way. Again, all of us should be very, very cautious about the information coming out of there. There's a lot of misinformation and a lot of disinformation, trust only trusted sources. But again, a drama that may be nearing its conclusion and that has taken on outsized importance, I think, justifiably. And one final thought, looking beyond the immediate term, we've talked about the diplomatic arena, the West Bank, of course the situation in the North. But again, that half of the Gaza Strip below Wadi Gaza, where the civilians are, the question of what is going to be the Israeli military and Israeli government's approach to that. If in fact, Eli Cohen is right that there is a narrow diplomatic window, what is the Israeli government and military and security cabinet and war cabinet going to do? But half of the Gaza Strip, where Hamas is still in control. All right, well, that is a big question. And we'll be talking about that more in the program. Owen Altamindo, thank you for joining us. Ariel Osrion, please stay with us as we continue. We are going out for a break, but please do stay with us. We're on the second hour of the broadcast as we continue to focus. Day 38 of Israel's war against Hamas. Stay with us. We'll be back at the top of the hour. 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