personal policy my understanding of this that edits or you Sarah and the blue and yellow edits or Steve no this is a poll this if you printed it out with the track changes it's it's going to show and it's over over a lot of times like you know past reviews of the of the personnel policy so the yellow highlighted the yellow highlighted is what I did post the last meeting that you had and then the blue the blue changes on page two and page 10 or what Steve and I went over today so the yellow highlights are really the new the stuff that you guys did at the last meeting okay so looking at page one there's basically nothing correct just right my eyes page two we've got a regular week for the highway department consists of 40 hours the times and schedules to be determined by the select board in consultation with the road foreman and road commissioner right but Steve changed that to approved that was the blue that's what I said today that should be instead of determined by this like I can't read that it looks like it's it looks like it's crossed out so instead of determined it's approved right approved by the select board in consultation with the road foreman and road commissioner the way my right the way my printer worked I can't see what's on the blue numbers and things like that on page four we talked about this the 2000 and the 2016 middle sex drug and alcohol policy for all cmv operators what are cmv operators convert commercial motor vehicle operators right you have a pot you guys passed a policy in 2016 which directly confronted what you had before in the personnel policy you can't just fire people for using no suggestion is just because somebody who reads this might not be as quick-minded as I am and be able to figure out what cmv means should we just say commercial yep motor vehicle operators okay wait sorry can we just go back to that section five hours of service and pay period yep it says I don't understand what it's the last sentence the regular pay period runs from 12 o'clock 1am saturday to 12 o'clock 11 59 p.m. friday it's those are crossed out you've got your track changes are messed up so it should run from 12 a.m. saturday to 11 59 p.m. friday i'm on the google doc i don't know anything that is different from that i'm sorry to open it with a word you can open it with word and then just if you want to just say no changes just change it to uh you know uh no mark that's probably why i'm seeing so many typos that's why you're seeing so many typos because you just have to change it to no markup track changes is good but i'll tell you that's better for reference employees should refer to the 2016 town of middle section policy nothing on the next page i smashed my hand today again with a hammer so i'm having a hard time shuffling pages you should you should stop doing that that's what my wife says strangely enough he's threatening to take away my eight-foot step ladder and give me a four-foot step ladder okay page six selected by selected by the select board each year yes and legal dependents including civil union partners we discussed that right okay so here's here's where i got a little confused when i was trying to read this i'm looking at the page seven so i don't understand what's going on here with the yellow with the red and the yellow we just deleted all that no you've said so the way it reads now is that um your the the policy that you had regarding your health insurance was out of date because it was pre obama uh it was pre obama care or hx aha and it's so for christ sake why are blisters trying to hold me so should an employee choose a different plan than that designated by the select board is that where you're talking about peter that that part right the town will pay only what would have been paid to the employee under the town designated plan and i took that from previous minutes where you guys had discussed this oh sorry um it's mary you guys talk without me here oh mary okay there's it goes mary all right now you should get in i'm gonna say okay bye all right um we're on we're just going over the related changes to our personnel policy and we're up to page seven right so uh what i did was i took from other minutes where you guys had discussed what to do if somebody takes a town plan and if someone decides to say no i don't want the health insurance that the town chose for me you can't go down to you know a bronze uh plan and then say well the town needs to compensate me for the difference that they're saving so but so this the language that i'm looking at which is red and underlined and then in yellow is the up to date final language that's what i that's what i added to and if you guys you know just to clarify and you also want something about the health savings account so i put that in there too yep no that's that's exactly what i remember that we discussed okay boys will have deducted from their payroll check a certain percentage yeah we get away with a dollar amount instead of certain percentage for long-term disability life insurance premiums as determined annually by the board right yeah that's what we talked about retirement plan that sounds right to me yeah that's old that's yeah yeah that's all we changed we changed footwear to boots which is all though so the town offers a boot only allowance for full-time highway department employees up to 200 dollars as of their date of fire annually thereafter yep yep anybody else see anything on that page no no okay nothing other than the edit on the bottom next changes are on page 10 yeah i got accused not thinking that you know we're showing all the old track changes so anyway i'm i'm doing better now okay so now we're on page 10 and again i can't read what's under the blue um well what what steve said this is so it was it was confusing what we had before what we have now is if an employee does not use all of the employee's vacation leave in a year the employee um wait i want to just get into my other copy may carry over no more than 15 days and just leave it at that because otherwise 20 hours 100 or 120 hours because otherwise it was just getting wickedly confusing and that's not and that's not cumulative so they carry over 15 days if they don't use it up the next year they can carry over 15 days right if the employee does not use all the employee's vacation time leave in a year the employee may carry no more than 15 unused vacation days or 120 hours forward to the next fiscal year and you know going over it didn't seem like you needed to say anything more than that right that's good stuff about sick leave sick leave is old stuff right that's all old stuff that that i believe ends uh any changes you guys made you addressed the boot allowance you addressed life and the life and disability insurance and all that stuff and i took the liberty of updating your healthcare policy and getting rid of the and making the drug policy that you guys passed superior to what's ever in the personnel policy yep we're ready to approve this or do we want to go over it one more time no that's fine i was confused by all these track changes yeah well they're really only like five or six changes or whatever you know but i was seeing old ones yeah all right i was looking at it when i couldn't read what was under the blue that really confused so is there a motion to approve our amended personnel policy i will make a motion that we approve the personnel policy with the changes that we just went over okay thank you steve is there a second second okay all in favor hi hi any opposed so we are going to make these changes effective july 1st effective immediately how will they implement that i don't know but you should put in the motion yeah yep i don't know well we didn't but i mean we could have another motion i guess my recommendation is i mean we i think we have two choices one is to wait until the first of the calendar year which i think is a mistake and one is to wait till the start of our fiscal year which is i think what it should be probably i think it should be fiscal too and make that motion well i guess we could amend the emotion to say that it's effective july 1 2021 is there a second to the amendment i second okay so all those in favor of the motion as amended please say hi hi hi any opposed so um we're going to have how can we is is there a way sarah to show just the recent i hate to give them this thing with all this yeah yeah yeah i mean i i just i'll just print it out with uh you know no markup which is what you do and uh they the road crew has to every employee has to sign the back of it anyway so where am i where am i you missed my point though how are they gonna know without sitting there with a copy of the old one the copy of the new one what the changes are i want to show them i want to show them the current changes what i don't want to show them is the old changes is there any way to do that well what i can do is give them a copy of the personnel policy before this one uh the two two before this one because this last one was really messed up so do give them a copy of that personnel policy and we can highlight it they copies and then they can we can give them this one highlight it make no way to just there's no way to have it just show the most recent version of track changes it shows you all the changes no matter how you you know if i if i could have done oh wait there's darindish darinda knows something no well there really isn't any changes i think it was more clarification wasn't i mean what did you really change other than clarifying what was in there before you really made no changes i think it was a clarity hold on a second randy i see you hold on i'm just trying to think if there's anything i mean you changed clarified the boots you clarified the um hours that they can carry over but that was in there previously we added in things that were missing about the health insurance um we've always had a drug and alcohol policy um i think we just clarified all those issues so it was easier to deal with yep randy so i was just going to suggest at the time when you give them the the policy with the updates to it you could give them just a simple memo that says we clarified these areas that that tell them exactly what changed and then they don't have to go digging through it we we do that with with folks that i work with um i think that's i think that's easy enough to do sarah sure yeah i think that's a good idea randy thank you so everybody agree with that yep yep we could change anything about the fiscal year versus the calendar year i maybe we just clarified that for um either carry over a vacation it would have to be fiscal because we talked about that meaning because it was our it was related to our budget right yes they're on this nodding all right yes you agree so yeah yep okay well good work everybody we've yes mary you got to put your hand in the picture mary or i can't see it gotta unmute yourself sir dorinda wasn't one of the issues dorinda wanted to have resolved is uh how you calculate the vacation leave i mean was that count no not so you don't need that clarified or it was clarified how that many hours they can carry into the new year and it was no what we did was clarify it was according to our budget year and not the calendar year okay gotcha so um can i get a copy of this revised one in the cover memo because the one i was reading had all these deleted and it had the date and time it was deleted and the formatting and it was like really hard to follow anyway i would like that now when you get things on word you can always just change it to no markup and it will just do that with no markup well that now you tell me glad to get one good but glad to get one to you great thank you no problem i just assume have it in the in the bowels of the town computer and i can get it when and if i need it i have so many personnel policies floating around in my desk if i grab one it's always the wrong one i i just want to get rid of this thing because it was like 19 pages with all these formatting deleted stuff i mean awful reading we get it we get it but i think we've i think we've done and thank you darinda for doing most of the most of the deep dive on this but sarah too um clarifying a lot of things that weren't particularly clear before so and guess what there's one of our objectives for this year that we can check off the list we've done it completed the goals that's right okay considering the middle sex conservation commission's request that matt slay fly slay play the appointed to one of the two vacancies on the conservation commission action likely um is there somebody here from the conservation commission what we got we don't have anyone from the conservation commission but we do have a we we you know lee did forward the the recommendation he did include um matt's letter to the to the conservation commission so i can you know the middle sex he said the middle sex conservation commission unanimously voted to recommend matt slay's appointment to the conservation commission during our may meeting matt's letter of interest could be found below could you please add his appointment to the next select board meeting agenda do you want you did you guys get the little i think i sent you along the maybe i didn't the email the email that includes matt's letter i didn't i didn't see it but sometimes i miss those things so okay anyway i'm if if if they're unanimously recommending i'm i think we should approve it is somebody i move approval of matt slay to the middle sex conservation commission okay is there a second all second i beat you steve you did okay so all those in favor of appointing matt slay to one of the two vacancies on the middle sex conservation commission please say i i any opposed okay congratulations matt ahead of schedule sandy or other members of the planning commission going to come should we wait for 10 minutes for them or uh i think the only one we're missing is alias and i think it would be okay to just move on and alias i expect maybe joining in 10 minutes okay but we could we could get updates on the rec field and give them a chance to show up if you think that's a good thing i don't know that sounds good to me yeah let's let's let's we're ahead of schedule that's amazing so updates on the town recreation field adjacent to rumney school uh was there excavation underway who put up the fence action possible etc match i presume that's you uh that's me yes and um i will offer a little bit of an apology there was as peter you noticed uh week ago or so um they did do some work on the field which was more than minor work and i wasn't notified ahead of time so it kind of caught me off guard but i did talk to the folks from the that are sort of running the baseball program this year they apologized for not doing a better job at communicating and what they basically said was a guy donated a bunch of material and labor and they felt like they couldn't afford to turn it down so they just dove in and i advised them that i didn't have a problem with that specifically but it is town property and neither i nor the select board wanted to be caught off guard by things so let's do a better job about communicating these kinds of projects in the future what exactly did they do match what they did was added a bunch of um i guess it's top dressing basically infield it's not really soil but it's the top dressing for the infield that hadn't been taken care of much in the last couple years so it had sort of been showing its age a little bit they got a bunch of material donated to fill that in and they also ditched up and down the first and third baselines because a lot of water collects behind the field and when it rains it gets pretty soggy back there and foul balls basically can become ruined pretty quickly because it's so wet back there and so all that's fine i i just think it's outrageous that they just thought it was okay to go in there with an excavator and start digging and yes and they did a reason i would be a little i think sometimes Mitch you're a little more friendly than you should be well it's what i'm saying i'm not i'm not saying that we tell them they have to put it all back it's probably good work but but it's just for for somebody to think it's okay to go in it was one thing if they're raking and shoveling and doing this and that but to go in there with a full blown excavator and dig and right yeah i agree and i i did make and i and you're right sometimes i could be a little too friendly for my own good but i was pretty firm with them too that hey we've had problems in the past it is town property and let's be clear about you know keeping good lines of communication and making sure we're on board with this and well i mean the so the so the direct truth of it is they need permission to do it right communication is fine but permission is a little level of responsibility and i want him to come to to to you and you to come to us and say hey this is the work plan that's proposed by the baseball people what do you think you know yep yep that's fine yes and i don't mind and believe me we don't need to hear about some minor work they're going to do but what i saw that excavator over there i thought holy mackerel that's a deal yep i made it clear to them that that's the sort of thing that the select board doesn't like to have is to get a phone call saying hey what's going on on some portion of town property and then having them say i don't know so well i also i also not only do i want to know about it so i can tell people who call me but i want to be sure the work's done correctly and directly especially when it comes to to water runoff and all those issues i mean that is all very carefully been managed and dealt with around that school so just to have them going there and do with an excavator what they think is right i'm not sure it is so right yeah i just agree maybe i'm being maybe i'm being a jerk and everybody disagrees with me but i just think it's wrong that's all so anyway what's done is done they didn't build a pitchers mound or anything did they um they the pitchers mound it's not like a high school even it's not even like a high school pitchers mound there's not much there isn't much of a mound there and the pitchers mound i know your concern peter is that that could interfere with the soccer field yeah that's not the case the pitchers mound is far enough away from where the soccer field is laid out that that won't be part of the soccer field all right okay that's not going to be an issue please have a chance to know about that in advance is all i'm saying yeah i did i did explain that to the guys and they they said yeah we we need to do a better job we will and um as far as the outfield is a middle sex person uh yeah the um there's a couple of guys chris austin who lives on center road and sven schribner are the two guys who have taken over running the middle sex portion of little league this year and as far as the outfield fence that sort of shows up a little better because we used to have this green fabric outfield fence that um had gotten pretty badly worn and actually was it was mesh but it was actually fairly solid and wind tended to treat it like a sail and just pushed it over constantly it was this constant struggle to keep the fence up i replaced that this year with some basically orange plastics no fence that i tested it out and it holds up to the wind a lot better and the guys said hey we've seen other fields usually this fence too and we're fine with it i put that up and it's held up really well so far so i'm happy with that um and we also i found some old um basically drainage conduit that was my home used to be owned by a contractor so my woods are full of stuff and i actually found a couple of pieces of drainage conduit and i fashioned them into a couple foul falls and they worked out really well so i'm happy with that and they didn't cost hardly a thing so good any questions on that anybody any board members okay thank you mitch like i do have one other question for you is we have had over the years an ongoing discussion of the multi-purpose pad and i know we've gotten some estimates for for doing repairs and this and that what's the what's the you're talking about the tennis and basketball courts yes um i am looking into that too i will probably be able to give you update in a month or two i'm sort of working on trying to find some opportunities to improve that court because it's in pretty bad shape i just don't want it to get so bad that it needs to totally be reconstructed and there's no way to be able to afford it so yep i understand i'm like all those repairs can be expensive really okay thank you you're welcome okay so we are back to a joint meeting with the middle sex planning commission updates about project zoning regulations and grants action possible i don't quite know what the action might be sandy but we're ready for you whatever it is i think you're muted sandy yeah sorry about that i i'm not i'm not sure either but thank you and i guess since i we have more than a quorum of the planning commission here i did notice this as a meeting so i will call to order the planning commission portion of of this meeting and just note that it's a joint meeting with the with the select board and if it's okay we will refer to the minutes of the select board for the minutes of the planning commission meeting as well um so um thank you i i had spoken with peter a while ago about having what i would think could be quarterly updates of work that the planning commission is doing and provide that to the select board um i want to just start with introductions i'm sandi levine the chair of the planning commission and here as well is uh theo kennedy mitoshaski alias gardener and our newest member phil come in and phils here and i wanted him to introduce himself so i'm not sure the rest of the select board knows phil hi good evening phil come in from bear swamp uh grew up in middle sex and have been a resident most of my life and just jumped on board this past election season and uh am filling a one year remaining one year term thank you welcome welcome thanks um i i want to let the select board know that um in general i provide a sort of a monthly update of the status of planning commission projects and sort of a one page and can provide a link to that if if you're if you're interested um it it's usually part of our agenda part of the materials for that for the planning commission but i will i'll i'll follow that and go over those those materials for for this meeting um i'd like to start with the zoning updates i know that that's something that the select board has been very interested in and and curious about and i'll say that we've been working on this for not quite a year and we've been working with the central mont regional planning commission as a consultant and they've been you know tremendous help we divided up the work into four sections um to do do the village in the mixed use areas first and then move on to the industrial areas and floodplain because a lot of the industrial areas in the floodplain those are the first two areas the third area would be the rural area rural parts of town and the fourth would be administrative matters you know updating how the administration of the zoning regulations work um we're almost completed with the first two sections which is pretty much what we were on on track to complete and we have and we've been keeping it um in a track changes document of the existing zoning regs so if you ever wanted to go through and and look at that you're welcome to do that obviously but you know um and we also i prepared a you know more general couple page summary of the changes the if you focus on the overview um that's been completed for the village and the mixed use section it hasn't yet been completed for the industrial and the floodplain section that will be finishing probably by the end of June but as soon as that's done i'll prepare the summary for that we've been doing a fair amount of outreach on the zoning regs we did a survey for for one of the sections and we'll probably do another survey later we've emailed summaries to folks who have expressed interest we've invited folks to meetings and kept them abreast of what's happening landowners that have expressed interest particularly for the floodplain regulations we honestly telephoned everybody who had property in the floodplain um just to let them know about what what's going on highlight some of the changes we're contemplating ask for feedback on that um and by and large i think we're looking to clarify our zoning regulations and have it be an update not make you know big major changes to the zoning regulations but there we will be proposing some changes um it'll be tied very closely to the town plan which the zoning regulations need to be um there may be some small changes to the map but we're not looking at the moment of making large changes to the the zoning map for the town and our overall timing for the project is probably to complete it by the end of 2021 or maybe in early 2022 the work was divided into two fiscal years so that the regional planning commission could work with us as a consultant and be part of tune you know budget for two different years um that's you know a broad broad overview happy to answer and obviously answer any questions that we can save overall questions questions at the end or share any materials if people are interested in it so sandy would it be realistic to think we could have whatever hearings we need to have in time and you know you sent it to the select board we have our head blah blah blah the whole process and be able to vote on at a town meeting next year i don't know um perhaps all i'm thinking is a i as you all know i hate special town meetings um and that's likely when we would get the best participation in the most interest so yeah if that happened it'd be worthwhile i think to try and shoot that poll because i would hate to i would hate to get the work completed and then wait all the way through the summer to the fall for the general election and i would certainly hate to wait a whole other year for another town meeting so anyway right um the reason i don't know is the last the last two sections may take some time and i know that it's still it would need to go through planning commission hearing and through a select board hearing and they probably each have something like 45 day notices right as part of them so i just don't know if the timing works but that's you know be mindful of that and we can see if we can plow through it so the process that the regional planning commission prepares you discuss with them changes that you're interested in and then they have things that they think should be in there and they prepare a draft and then you review it is that the way it works it's it's something like that um they they you know we we've been focusing you know what does our town plan say about these particular issues um what what's some recommendations that we have what what are decision points and those are clearly laid out and we make those decisions and then they go back and do the drafting um so they provide a lot of resources you know what what's all the floodplain materials we need to look at and you know what's the model floodplain regulation so they they've been really helpful in sort of providing that background um to us and highlighting what the decision points are and then the planning commission you know makes those decisions and um then then they do the drafting and we review the drafting at the next meeting if that's fine we move on that's that's that's a friendly way yeah let's light a fire under them they're the paid hell don't let them be the ones who don't get their work done okay no they're they're they're getting their work done and they've been i mean i i think they've been super helpful and have been you know doing work in a timely manner and getting it done and all i'm suggesting sanny and i i know that sounds a little snarky but all i'm suggesting is that that you guys come up with a timeline so we know if we're meeting that timeline we can promote on town meeting day and make sure they know what that timeline is as well yeah so well yeah we'll certainly you know look and see and look into to doing that make sure we can get it done done earlier i mean if it's impossible it's impossible but let's not let's not get to november and say hey we should have been thinking about this is all i'm saying yeah yeah thank you good um the next matter i wanted to talk about is the enhanced energy plan and that would be part of the town plan it would be rolled into that and the has been doing a lot of of work on that so i'm hoping he might be able to provide a summary and share and share the update on that okay thank you sandy and thanks to selectport for letting us join you i think our hope is that by meeting with you our planning and efforts can be coordinated as much as possible this enhanced energy plan uh came up in 2016 in uh a law act 174 and the specific summary of the act off the legislative website just a paragraph on a briefly read kind of captures the energy plan piece it says it seeks to improve this is the purpose of the act in the summary of the section seeks to improve the integration of planning for energy and land use including creating an option under which municipalities and regional planning commissions may engage in enhanced energy planning that results in greater weight to their plans and the energy siting process before the public service board so the kind of underpinning of where this enhanced energy plan came from this act in 2016 um we we we came upon it kind of with our work as the central Vermont regional planning commission was consultant and it became apparent that we would be uh eligible as one of the last in a series of towns to take a look at this and it's not just about the siting when you look a little bit more closely it's about a whole planning process and thinking about uh meeting um both state and regional uh renewable energy goals uh how are we going to look at our transportation how are we going to look at our energy efficiency uh how are we going to look at our housing which ties into the zoning regs I mean ironically we could do a shorter term maybe on those zoning regs but in a lot of ways they should be at outgrowth of the plan so it might make sense at the end of the day to even have them a whole year later just to recognize that some of the changes that we have proposed in the zoning bylaws you'll see are kind of consistent with some of the targets that the energy plan has but in any case uh so we did take advantage of taking a look at that with the central mont regional planning commission and they came up with an initial draft that I think we forwarded to to this body at an earlier time and just with the pandemic and everything else we haven't gotten to it and that's all fine so this is kind of a revisit a reboot uh but a lot has happened since then we there was already an energy committee in town uh it's kind of been revived laury sharp has done a great job helming that and there are a lot of different folks with different types of expertise that have joined the effort so so basically this would become an amendment to the town plan actually not an amendment by adding by passing this along with the town plan it becomes part of the town plan but when central mont regional planning commission began the consultative work with it with us they read with us of course again the town plan and made sure that the town plan underpinned the energy plan and the last thing I'd say and there are a lot of different pieces of this and I can go more deeply into the different pieces but um specifically the four areas for kind of beginning to think about how we meet our renewable energy targets our conservation and efficient use of energy reducing transportation demand and single off to the CVL trips patterns and densities of land use likely to result in conservation energy and there's the tide to the zoning ranks the siting of renewable energy generation the other thing is is these aren't requirements expressed on the face of the document and I ask you to just take a peek at it these are meant as goals and targets that that uh so that's that's an important thing because I think there can be some justifiable justifiable concern that if we like many communities aren't fully able to accomplish some of these goals you know what would the consequence be to us the other thing is there's quite a lot of flexibility in the plan itself to actually determine how we might meet some of these targets um and the last thing is the first thing I started with this deference before the public service board of the public utilities commission now is not in in inconsequential thing and if we do it right it'll manifest the engagement that we're trying to do with the energy plan uh as far as um and the and the um planning commission as a whole like Sandy was saying make sure we reach out to the community and get input on that and so we in this energy committee we have a subcommittee particularly on communication that's really devising a way to go forward and the last piece I need to say I guess is we came up with a schedule this is not already before you all send it out afterwards whereby we would finalize as it were the draft that's currently before us at the planning commission this Wednesday we'd go through a public process for our piece we'd forward it on to all of you you'd have a public process for your piece and then we'd be able to vote on it in November 2nd and then uh basically we would have also updated our town plan um by including the provisions of the energy plan um so I hope that was I think those are the pieces I wanted to cover anyway and we're really excited about it I think the opportunity to plan as a community to think about these issues and and and and it's already obviously gotten a discussion going um and I think um yeah I think that's it I think the energy committee is going to come to the planning commission meeting actually tomorrow to kind of talk a little about what they're doing so. Can I ask you a question Peter? You're asking me a question Mary or? No I want to ask Theo a question. Yeah go ahead. Theo um does this have any siting criteria in it or is that all ceded to the 248 process before the public service uh public utilities commission? It gives an opportunity for us to help define uh and I don't I don't uh specifics always matter so I'm not exactly sure what's criteria but it gives the town and through this process which is not doesn't end when we adopt this it starts right uh so so then we really begin to try to figure out where we would think we would cite things and why and what types of renewable generation and where are the already known constraints that come from the state or where there are other types of constraints that we may want to emphasize how does it meet our goals so so I guess the the answer I'm trying to get at is there are some I think that are already established and we could there there's both title 24 and title 30 to look at when you're looking at this energy plan but uh but for the most part we don't gain authority we don't have you know we uh what we do gain is the ability to have some weight and deference if we as a municipality have chosen to engage in a meaningful way in those four categories I read before and then and then our siting preferences will actually be given weight in other words I don't know yet if we know this may be a legal question for downcouts or something but whether ultimately the PUC could disagree with us and even though we had something in our plan but I wouldn't want to conjecture that I think it's less likely put it that way but it you're not it's not going to be something where they had the first hurdle is to satisfy the requirements of the energy plan in middle sex before as a condition proceed to filing a 248 proceeding we have to actually have a compliance designation given to us actually first the regional planning commission has to get it from the state and then if their plan is accepted then the municipalities that under the energy plan piece only I'm talking that are come under conformance with the obligations also become certified through the board at which point I think I don't want to misspeak as to whether we have standing or how that exactly works but we have the ability to have we do obviously have the ability to have standing I think but you're getting me in the weeds too far in the weeds not part of my prep no address those issues yeah that's right you know it's really important knowing that but I don't think is any adverse consequence to us to go forward with this planning and quite the contrary I think as we look at capital planning maybe and other things I think it could be advantageous to have this witness not just for citing deference but for just kind of thinking about our planning so thank you madam chair for letting me present or if I don't know if there any other questions or concerns or so we're going to pass this on to you in a few weeks months right like also let's send the schedule can I just need to ask you clarification so the four I just if you could just go a little slower the four areas are conservation and efficient use of energy reduction of single use transportation and what's the third one before we get to citing a renewable energy sources yeah thank you patterns and densities of land use likely to result in conservation of energy but these aren't meant to be exclusive of a lot of different subsets and again there's quite a bit of flexibility this is more like a template as much as anything for planning it's not really a it's not yet a precise set of things we're going to have to develop those as a result of if we adopt this okay thanks thank you thank you thank you anything else sandy thanks yeah a couple other things there's two two grants that the planning commission is working on I just wanted to provide brief updates on one is a route to and riverwalk scoping study and we're having to kick off for that tomorrow evening for the planning commission we're doing that work with Du Bois and King and that you know overall that that will firm up the costs in the right of way and whatever sort of studies or resources need to be further studied before you go through to find to permitting or construction or any further work that would be there a key piece of that is also to explore a river trail along the Winooski river planetary or the camp meet folks planetary matters is looking at putting a trail on their property and we'd like to explore opportunities to extend that maybe in both directions one towards church street the other maybe towards the Welsh industrial park where there's the Walter Kelly park there as well so I think preliminarily we would do some some outreach for that as part of this project and tied into that is the better places grant which is a grant for planetary matters to build two overlooks on their property to provide public access to those overlooks on the overlooks to the river provide public access to those overlooks and create a trail on planetary matters property camp meet to connect those overlooks from from route to we're waiting on a contract from the Vermont Department of Health and the trails committee is also involved in this work as well and I'm hoping Mitch since he's on the trails committee could provide sort of a brief update of of their their work and how that's being coordinated with this grant um yes I actually talked to Mike Peltcher who is one of the principles with planetary matters today earlier today just to kind of touch base and sort of scope out what the timeline might be and all that sort of thing and he said that um they've had some preliminary conversations with a bunch of different folks to get some ideas about I think they already had a pretty good idea about the optimal locations for the two overlook sites and then they've talked to some people about some logical places where a trail might meander through their property the trail I believe is going to be something like a half mile in length and the update Mike gave me today is that they've scheduled a sort of a kickoff event on Tuesday a June 1st they've got some representatives from Green Mountain Power who are going to be there part of this is on lands that I think it's a Green Mountain Power has an easement but they said they're interested in working with us on on this as well um they've also got some uh folks from the Vermont Youth Conservation Corps and also the friends of the Winooski who are interested in this project and seeing if there's input or services they might be able to provide down the road as well so um as I said several people are going to have attend this kickoff meeting on June 1st to kind of look the place over and um a real rough idea is that they're sort of planning that they want to build the overlooks first before they get involved too much in actual the trail building part of this because they don't want they don't want to sort of provide a thing where they're encouraging people to meander down this trail and kind of get to the places where these overlooks are and not have the site secured and safe first so that'll be following and I think after this June 1st meeting they'll have a better idea of a timeline and all this but I think largely it's going to occur over the summer and maybe into the fall but we can provide you with more definitive timeline when that becomes clear but um that's a very rough overview and if you got questions I'd be happy to field them or research them as needed. We're in the throes with our legal counsel of negotiating a permanent easement right away. I'm not sure what the right word is so this will be forever. They will not be able to close it off in the future, correct? My understanding is our town town lawyers will be involved in creating an easement. I don't know the terms of that obviously the town needs to be okay with it and the planetary matters folks need to be okay with it. I think from the town's perspective you want to make sure there's always going to be public access there from what I've heard from planetary matters they want some flexibility to move the trail or the easement if you know something they don't always know they don't know now exactly how that property is going to be used forever. And I understand that but I think the the easement I just don't want to lose track of that easement. That's definitely a key part of this and yes there will and that there would be permanent public access to these overlooks is that that will be part of it. The remaining matters are all sort of in the administrative realm. One is the planning vision had talked about having an assistant zoning administrator to help out when the zoning administrator either has a conflict or is not available. I know that's something that the select board had raised as well as the zoning administrator. When we talked about it we said we'd like to advertise for that. It wouldn't be a lot of hours for that. We want to see who might be interested in doing that. But it's not anything that we actually have any authority to appoint or even create. So I didn't want to I didn't want the planning commission to go rogue on this and see something that the select board is interested in. You would make a recommendation to us and then we would appoint them. Yes I mean that that's how we were envisioning it but I guess before we went too far down that road I wanted to confirm that that's something that the select board was interested in considering. Well I think we're definitely interested in considering unless somebody objects and in terms of the process I believe that is the correct process right Sarah? I don't know if the statute speaks about assistant zoning administrators but a way zoning administrators work is that they generate from the planning commission every three years and then the select board signs off approves. Right so I think our presumption was that it would be the same for an assistant and I think makes logical sense. I just think having a second person available for all those things you talked about is important. So we'll move forward with that and then we gotta stand up Sandy. I'm just gonna just make a quick observation that several years ago Marika Gillis was the assistant zoning administrator so you must have had a process by which she was appointed so. Nah. Or not. Sorry about that. Those were the good old days Mitch. I think we just did it in the old days. Okay turn up. Okay the other two are administrations I've been working. Are you back? Oh sorry I've been working with Elias and the other planning commission members on sort of setting up a place where we can keep and have publicly available the documents that the planning commission generates and I guess I'll ask Elias to talk about it but I think it's been super helpful to have the you know basically a virtual filing cabinet that you know anything that the planning commission generates can be publicly available and can be provided to somebody with a link so I'll let Elias explain that better than I can.  So basically that's fine basically how it started is we were putting links on the what's next middle sex website the planning commission tab and I just send you a quick link but um we you know it's a little cumbersome to add documents to a website so what we've sort of evolved into is a google drive folder and you know the planning the what's next middle sex website has linked go to various google drive folders so we can easily put documents into the like planning commission drive and they're accessible to planning to anyone with the link they're publicly viewable to anyone with the link and those links are available on what that what's next middle sex. Shouldn't maybe have that website also I'm sorry what shouldn't those links be on the town website also. I would be a next really great step I mean honestly if the town website has those links we could do things like put our own meeting agendas in and not have to Sarah I don't know the legalities but it's it would be a good thing to talk about. I don't know the legalities I mean it would it would be nice we don't have right right now what you have with a google drive which is you know great and that someone could come in and just dip right into that and I'm not sure how you put that in that website but it's worth exploring it's not I just don't see it with a wordpress unless you know how to do it I don't see a word a way to do that with wordpress. Yeah I mean with wordpress if you had if you just had a link to the google drive then oh well we can do a link to the google drive. I think all you need to have is a link to the google drive. Well then that's no problem. Okay perfect. Yeah I think it I think it has potential to be really helpful for beyond the planning commission if we find a process that works. Yeah well I didn't think you know if select board members community members are interested in what's going on and they can go in and see the various reports and the work that's getting generated I think that's all helpful. Great thanks and lastly just a quick update on zoning permits we've had to think three in the last few months a couple of subdivisions there's one that's under appeal site plan review for an office building for Kingsbury next to the police barracks and right by the park and ride and we have an upcoming hearing for storage units in the industrial park and that will be in early June and Theo wants me to tell you about our award. All right yeah so Middlesex got two two planning awards this year one for the walkable Middlesex study and secondly for for the planning commission itself is sort of the citizen planners of the year go team very good Sandy and others believe me there's a lot a lot of others involved in that. Yeah but so that's that's our update and look I'm even on time so thanks again happy to answer any questions but I just wanted to you know have the opportunity to provide the select board with an update because we're doing a lot of things and we don't want to get either too far ahead of our skis or you know work across purposes with select board to make sure that we're you know you know what we're doing and we have input from you so that we can work together. That this was very helpful Sandy I hope the other board members are great I mean important stuff you guys are involved in and the more we know about it the better off everybody's gonna beg so good job Sandy you and your team great and Sarah you'll you'll put a little tickler thing on your calendar so I know Sandy probably won't forget in case she forgets three months hence well I feel like Sandy and I talk every day I know I already put out a notice that has the three dates and yeah she's awesome what's up ahead of me yeah I saw I saw okay thanks thank you can I ask a question to Sandy. Yes. Sandy when I was I read the Monash decision today and I know you get a day novel hearing is that day novel hearing in front of the environmental court I just don't remember. Yes it is for the environmental court and just everybody knows I'm recused from that as a planning commission member I was participated as a neighbor in that in that project. And so can they address the issues that were raised in that decision when they have a day novel hearing? Can Theo answer that? Sure Theo can you answer that? You're asking whether the applicant can raise all the issues that they raised in the initial application again before the environmental court? I denied it and said you didn't address this you didn't address this you didn't address this. Can they address them in a day novel hearing or are they precluded from yeah I just don't know can they expand the scope to address the reasons for the denial is my question. I don't want to miss answer honestly I think they probably would be if you got that far they certainly can address any of those things by reapplying but the actual appeal itself is going to challenge the decision. I know council should be the one really speaking to the select board about it so. So we're I mean and what's the role of the planning? I'm sorry I just say one thing it was a 45-day period which I actually don't know whether has lapsed that we're actually allowed at least according to council to have and to change our decision and opposing council I can say made it very clear to me that she thought I should have. I know it's just very odd thing to have happened but nonetheless but I think what's the exact question? Hiring a lawyer from Berlin right to represent us. I don't know who you've chose to hire I didn't I I've been working with Rob Halpert on it during the early days. Is he going to be is he going to be representing us have we made a decision on that? I thought we had. Yeah Sarah. I had a conversation with Rob today about this case it's probably best to discuss an executive session. Okay all right I just maybe I should discuss all this in the executive session I just want to know how it worked and how much there is but and the planning commission can be of any help at all the ones that were involved please please let us know and I do think that it highlighted some opportunities as we look at the zoning bylaws and kind of forward place where we can be less ambiguous perhaps but okay well we shouldn't probably discuss it in an open session. I hope I didn't exceed the boundaries so it's a pretty challenging case and yeah thank you. So thanks all and I think the planning commission is done with our portion of this meeting if somebody wants to move to adjourn the planning commission meeting. Move to adjourn the planning commission meeting. Elias Mood do we have a second? A second. Mitch seconds all those in favor planning commission members. Hi. Hi. Thank you very much. Thank you. Nice to meet everyone. Bye. Bye. Before we get on to the minutes and the other business items. Vic do you have anything by way of a highway report for us? Yeah I wasn't planning on it but yeah we do. We have a set up to do some ditching with that grant money that we had from the budget and a higher Jeff Newton do boys with a couple of trucks and an excavator and I don't know if this is really important or not but I brought up the point that we should get some prices because it's over $10,000 according to our policy but Steve thought that it was budgeted so we didn't I think at some time we were going to talk about purchasing policy but for some reason I don't I guess we'd have to do that in the future but anyways for I got a couple of other quotes from people in town and it appears that there's not many dollars between them but when you're talking that amount of hours it could amount to three or four thousand dollars so Jeff is going to send us there they're Jeff Newton from do boys is going to send us their their prices and we'll probably move ahead on east hill right now the the potential is for ditching on east hill from somewhere down around Ray Hickory's up up as far as we can go where it is always muddy like to at least get up to somewhere where Bill Kathy lives if we could and our crew has been removing berm and ditching over from route 12 intersection to shady rail up towards the school and they're going up government hill and because we ran into some issues up there and possibly it maybe it's just unplugging a pipe but maybe replacing it and now I think go ahead Steve I just I just wanted to clarify I wasn't questioning about getting giving getting different quotes for for work that's fine what I was saying was that for we didn't have to have approval of the select board to spend that money because it was a budgeted item that's all I was saying I wasn't saying getting the prices is a good idea okay yeah no I yeah I guess I just read that different than you and I guess it really didn't make a difference make any difference anyways like you said well for two reasons I think it's a good idea I mean spreading the work around a little bit is a good thing and if we can save like you said those three or four thousand dollars you put four or five of those together all of a sudden you have real money yeah we can buy some rubber boots or something else we need yeah we can buy the road commission your fair boots I get I get emails and phone calls every week about those damn speeds on so you're supposed to go in this week right we've seen those guys yet are they up there is it happening they're supposedly up there I don't ride through shady real very awesome is that supposed to be the new science on shady real no I haven't been over there either I can check it out it's not far from my house I can see if they're up whether they're there or not I just you know it's been one one postponement after another and the people are frustrated and I don't blame them and you know before we know what it's going to be the next school year and those signs aren't going to be there so I'm really hoping they're going in what did you say Randy you they are or not he'll drive that road every day and they are not there right now I think they ran into a problem they were going to go Lafayette was going to go do it but then they had to go not get a permit but they had to check in with the district the state of agency transportation and I have never heard back how that came out so evidently not good but they are I did too yeah all of a sudden there was a new one but then again you've never worked for the state I mean you know god damn it come on guys yeah I hear you Peter well I just want I just more than anything else I've told people I've told three or four people it's next week it's next week it's next week and next week never comes and now they want to know who they can go over my head I don't know maybe they go to the governor I don't know that's where I'd start I'm gonna start there it's eight two eight three three three three Peter yeah I don't know it's just it's very frustrating to me because it shouldn't be it doesn't seem like it should be that complicated a thing and my understanding was as of last fall and correct me if I'm wrong Steve but weren't all the permits supposedly in place I think all the permits were in place and the only thing they had to do was to get in touch with the state when the work was to begin right and and that was supposed to start and I know Shane said he talked Lafayette's guy Jamie and then something came up with with the state and I apologize I haven't followed it up and I haven't heard anything but I'm sure we'll follow it up we'll check them up yeah I said earlier light a fire a big fire if you can yeah okay well it's just it's embarrassing I mean and I keep telling people it's the state it's the state it's the state it's Lafayette it's Lafayette it's Lafayette but guess what they blame us yeah oh it's embarrassing anyway and the other thing the other thing we got a bunch of calls on on chloride and dust this weekend it's several calls and of course we go from I'm not really familiar there's no in between anymore what's that we go from mud to dust right and I guess I don't know Steve could probably shed some light on it I I we had a guy we had Gorman was was supplying it before and then for some reason we swapped last fall or Paul swapped last fall or somebody did anything about that Steve no I know that Paul swapped a lot of it was the price but but I don't know any further than that then Shane said this guy was not was not bringing any stuff in and something about a bigger container and he said today if he didn't he was going to call him at eight o'clock or nine o'clock this morning and if uh they're giving him a hard time the way I took it and he would that we would call call the old company and they said bring it right up yep yep I sound like a good solution to me yep the two things I have on my radar screener are chloride and potholes our favorite our favorite springtime subject um any any update on the on the greater delivery proposed delivery no okay nothing so as far as we know July yep any questions anyone else okay thank you victor yep I didn't mean to put you on the spot but it's good to know what's uh it's good to know what's going on it's good to have you part of these meetings okay thank you uh moving on to other business approval of the may 4th select board meeting minutes and the minutes of the may 11 special select board action likely do we have a motion on them I don't know if we do them together or do them one at a time we should probably do them one at a time so how about a motion on the May 4th regular select board meeting minutes I'll load that Mary and is there a second I'll second thanks Liz uh all in favor of approving the May 4th select board meeting minutes please say I I I any and how about a motion on the special select board meeting uh May 11th so moved second okay Liz and Liz and Mary and maybe see anyway got plenty um all in favor of the motion please signify by saying I I I any opposed okay we've approved our minutes thank you um we did receive a letter about the makeshift access on vermont route 12 for frizz for ultimate frisbee at rightsville I noticed that somebody had put that that access in there does anybody know where who did that where that came from I mean that's that's definitely not on town land and it's certainly not off a town highway so no I don't have any idea why it's even our issue yes Sarah well um I discussed this two years ago with v-trans when they aot called up we were dealing with culver hill road I mean maybe even before that and because this has been here now for going to maybe almost three years that that access has been there and I said to him you know how do is that permitted I mean how did that curb cut happen I think it's blind we have had complaints and they just blew me off they just didn't seem to think anything of it I don't even know I it was just created and I drive that every day and it's not good but um clearly this person in town who wrote the letter would like the board to do something I tried to explain that it's not a town road we don't hold the town land but um I'm just wondering if the board would want to consider asking v-trans to give that a look or signage or something you know can you explain where it is I had a hard time if you're coming down shady real Liz and you and you were about to turn off right almost directly across from that shady real intersection as you're coming down the hill there's like a little pocket let's explain it I'm I can't hear please I'm sorry so right there there's like a people are they've kind of they've actually just kind of driven into the woods and they park their cars there to play frisbee so then they come out but there's it's before you get to the rights field the proper rights field entrance it's right as you're coming down the hill you'll see it right on your right hand side and on the left hand side is the turn the first turn to shady real yeah okay I know what you're talking about now yeah there's that weird little parking area but it's on route 12 it's on route 12 yeah well I mean the whole issue too about having everybody park around that v first I thought it was a bunch of bikers and I'm like why didn't they go down to our the park but they do that every sunday don't think there's a lot of cars there yeah it's getting very popular it's getting very popular I mean like 12 or 16 cars there so I don't understand though the traffic hazard it's blind because because it's on that gradual curve so people are coming along and I think the concern is that people are in the habit because they know the shady real road is there they look there but they don't realize I see from the other side yeah dangerous I think okay Peter yes would you like me to give my friend at AOT a call and maybe what you need there I saw that I had no idea what was going on this was you know a couple weeks ago but maybe it would would help those cars it does block the view how about no parking signs would get rid of those cars blockade yeah or nobody because there are a lot of cars parked all around that intersection yeah there really are I think we should I I mean I don't know what the answer the answer is I don't know what the answer is ricker but it's it's a problem and I don't know whether they affirm affirmatively created the problem or whether they just allowed it to happen and nobody did anything I mean it literally looks like they cut down some trees and created a little road off there and I don't know it's not land uh it's not our town land I thought it was a part of the race field it is but isn't that a group owned thing I think they should call it the the transportation agency remember they helped us out with that place um I mean they didn't at least they responded right below culver hill road same thing right you can't see left or right and that's not a middle sex problem but it isn't it is a problem for people who live in middle sex right I think it's fine to have it calm and see what he says but I think we should definitely uh definitely pay attention and when they're when all those cars are parked parked around the triangle there that is us there so well we ought to know what we want to do there because there's a lot of cars there and a lot of traffic and it's usually sunday morning is when it's really really busy is it because right spill beach is not yet open so they can't pull in there and park so they're parking there I don't know because they're playing this for the frisbee golf it's the frisbee golf and I don't know they have to probably go over the fence even though the beach isn't open because we're the frisbee golf course is down by the beach isn't it it's right below where that parking area is the bunch of I don't play on it but it's right below that sorry just for clarity I I was wondering what infrastructure if any is ours and you're saying none of it is we don't know on on our side of the road is ours yeah that's in our right of way but the other side of the road none of it is ours I don't believe we don't really know what the boundaries are because what let their co-op owns a lot of land but they don't think they own anything up that far toward the beach okay Peter isn't if you come down shady rail and down the shady railroad and like you're going to go to that slip ramp towards Montpelier or you can go down straight and turn left go towards Worcester yep that's uh state land right there in that intersection because I I had that job from Montpelier to the other side of Worcester bathing and I wanted to make that a 90 degree turn yep and pull that pull that out to take out some of that curve and I had it all drawn up and everything but then they didn't want to do it probably a lot of that triangle if not all of it is in is in the state right away correct that's what I'm saying our land is all I'm saying right um I'm not arguing that way I understand maybe we should reach out to the rightsville beach people I don't understand if the beach is closed that's one thing but why can't they open up the gate and let people use that parking lot there's a big parking lot down there right you know we should call have Jane come Vic you could call Jane Dudley too isn't she our rep on the on the right field dam I mean the rightsville beach association I'm not sure I don't know she is well I know Jane is I'm just saying you could call her well who knows Jane you know Jane well I see what's up why don't you if you wouldn't mind why don't you just ask her those questions and see what her response is but I mean the the underlying question for me is is why can't the why can't the access to that part that huge parking lot be open well to be fair I mean to my observation is that even when it is open they still park there it's just closer to where you play golf the parking lots available then I say we we put up no parking signs there we don't own the land yeah get the state to put them up I don't know oh that's what it was about this the letter was saying could you could you do something maybe write v-trans and say hey the select board would like you to address this issue yes we can do that also well then they have the no parking signs in front of the red hand down here did it you know back in the day they put oh yeah we're out into the traveled way well there were cars parked all over the place there the other day too I would tell you sunday I think anyway okay let's do this let's do this let's have Sarah reach out to Jane Dudley at the same time uh write a letter to v-trans on behalf of the select board does that make sense to everybody it certainly does yes okay what do you want me to what do you want me to say in that letter I want you to say concerns have been expressed by resident middle sex residents regarding the frequent use of the roadside area there for parking and also the day novo or whatever the right word is parking lot that's been a crate created across the uh road and park okay it's a clear and present day yeah just see what they see what they say I don't I think it's great that people are using the right field but I but I don't want anybody to get killed there I do have another quick question on that subject so our little our little park up shady real there that gate has been open all winter long for my observation yeah and god only knows what's going on in there now that the now that the snow's melted as the state just throwing their hands up in the air and they're not nobody's taking care of that anymore they just leave the gate open well I think they also removed the facilities they took the bathroom down well I think they did something like that I mean that is because that hasn't been all during COVID no one's been doing anything with that park into a rifle range if they don't do something well don't give them any ideas I just think it's bizarre all the all the years and all the hootie without locking and unlocking that gate and all of a sudden it's just wide open it's high school prom season that's a high danger time maybe I'm just a grumpy old man I don't know who's the grumpy old man Peter I probably am I acknowledge it my kids think I am they're ready to put me in the home oh you sound it tonight Peter yeah I'm doing a good job of it tonight thanks for your support Victor maybe let's get after these people they get after us I'm ready to get after them anyway enough enough said so we have a little bit of a plan there or not a little bit we have a plan there um we do have an application for an access permit and Shane uh Shane signed it I do have a question in that when I look at the diagram I guess you can't see it on the camera but anyway when you look at that diagram yeah like they're putting in a culvert but they're not creating a driveway it it looks crazy to me I saw that too and then they're going to put um they're going to have steps and see hey for the pedestrian yeah I mean I just didn't really understand I I read that and I didn't really understand what it what it was they're not they're not doing a way with their other driveway and creating another driveway is it just a temporary access so they can do this repair work or is it permanent access Shane told me that it was a temporary culvert so that they could access over there to do that work okay perfect well are they going to remove the culvert or are they going to keep it there temporary means they remove it so it should say and I didn't read all the boilerplate in this permit yeah I didn't know if it's temporary it should somehow somehow some way in here it should say that and when it's to be removed because I'll tell you my experience with those culverts is once they're in there they're never removed and then they plug up and the road washes and all hell breaks loose I have no problem with a temporary culvert but I guess what I would what I would say is I'm willing to but I think it should say that it should be removed in some period of time and I don't know what the right period of time well I mean if you look at the thing it says road forming commission comments after Shane's signature yeah we could add a provision there that says the culvert to be removed no later than and then put in a date yeah and so I don't know Vic do you have any idea how long they need no no I don't why don't you put down that that a certain length of time after their work is completed rather than pinning their work to a time frame the only problem I have I have with that and I can't remember who it was but it was quite a few years ago their work that was supposed to take three months took five years Vic why don't you check with Shane and we can approve it subject to adding that language and I don't know I mean 90 days 120 days I don't know what the right time is but let's get the thing pulled out of there okay so I guess I guess we don't usually we don't usually do a motion on these do we as long as Shane's approved it no we don't usually but we're making a motion in this case because we're we're adding something so do you want to make that motion Mary please so I moved that we approve the application for a curb cut subject to the commission the road foreman or commission of roads adding a and and end date by which the culvert has to be removed all I would suggest is you amend that to say a temporary curb that wait yeah move approval of a temporary curb cut yeah subject to like the road commissioner adding an end date of a specific number of days after consultation with the road foreman for a second second all in favor um peter are you going to sign this or do you want me to leave this in the office for you to sign that's yeah but then sign it until they get back to you with a date and fill that section in okay what I can do sarah is I'm going to be away for 10 days starting Thursday morning okay but if you if you send it to me I can I can sign it and scan it back to you and then you should you have a copy right there yeah but this doesn't have the date on it oh I see you're saying you could also just sign it we could just wait for the words and we could just read them in later and then submit it whatever you want to I'm going to go over to Liz's house and put the screens in and I'm going to break some bug spray now she's starting to scratch that's a bad sign our new bridge does not have the screens yet okay we're still working on that she did also there's going the house just saying just saying so I hope you come to the fire department on Thursday by the way for a field trip yeah I will not be there you know that right I do I'm sad what time is that is it six o'clock six to seven thirty bring your children bring your mask and have fun okay I don't have any children here to bring so I guess I won't be going either well then bring yourself all I would suggest seriously for uh for any of you that have not been to the fire department recently it would be I've been there quite a bit I know exactly what's going on down there but or I think I do but uh that's why I might was thinking going because I haven't been there since we brought that out and know what we're talking about both for this both for uh for the Liz's grant but also for uh our discussions with the discussions with the giving the tour he's a really nice guy he's one of the volunteers what's this Eric Medivier oh hey Medivier Medivier well I mean that's the way that Medivier is some watery pronounce it I don't know how to pronounce it I just did it phonetically okay so um when's the meeting of the capital budget thing well that is our meeting this month is to go there and um I mean it's just a field trip we're not having a meeting every month okay it's on the calendar it's on the front porch could we just could we just back up a minute Sarah so I understand what you expect me to do here do you want me to sign this and drop it off or scan it to you or do you want me to wait until we get the date filled in you figure out what you want to do it's whatever easier I just figured that would be easier for you to sign it and then we would just wait for the information to for me to fill it in and then I could kids could give it to back to Shane okay done so I've got it so I will just sign it and put it through the slot good job got it hey Peter yes could you what was the date of that email there or of that 584 drive sorry Vic what was the date of that that 584 road permit the road permit you mean you're talking about drive for me sorry about that well I mean you know Shane he applied 514 Shane approved at 517 okay thanks okay any other matters or business to come before the select board before we go into our executive session yes Sarah I'll keep it brief Anita Krauth called me very upset she thinks she has served she served I think 12 years on the solid waste board and she all she got was a you you go girl from the select board thanks for your service and then someone else was reappointed and I told her that she's right and that I would bring this to the board and that maybe we could consider she said all she would like is a card saying thank from the select board saying thank you from your for your long service she also clarified that the reason why she quit the board was because controversy over small their obsession with small plastic things that during a pandemic anyway I told her I would bring it to the select board and I'm bringing this to the select board oh that was great for us to send a card so um I think we should me too she's not wrong and we should have been doing that with every single person who serves and then steps down we're not doing it we should have some kind of a system where we can update this so that everybody who served us feels that their work has been acknowledged I agree kind of like a volunteer appreciation yeah okay so she wants a card not a letter can we send her a nice letter she wants acknowledgement we can do it any acknowledgement it's yeah right so I don't want to get too many jobs to do but if you could draft a nice letter and you can you can throw me into the bus say you know make the letter for me on behalf of the select board and to say we're embarrassed that we we fail to acknowledge your years of service and we appreciate your effort on behalf of the town and perfect very much and yeah yeah you could also say you could fall on your sword and say it's really we become aware that we should be doing that for all volunteers in town right I actually that's what Anita brought up in the conversation is she said that she feels as though volunteers are not given enough credit and appreciation of the select board so I can throw that into but I'm also going to order a bunch of cards good deal thank you parents yes thank you guys yeah Sarah you're on top of this thank you Sarah thank you I'm paid you don't have to thank me we want to it's a challenge because we've entered at times in the past but we've been inconsistent and that's that's better all right that's it it's too bad to do it 30 months after the fact or whatever it's been oh she'll be glad to know she has a she made policy change at the select board there you go well hey she's right so we need an executive session correct no we don't need one at least for not tonight um we don't need one for you Phil but I think we need one don't we oh um well we didn't warn one you didn't warn it that way yeah so I don't it's okay I can wait yeah yeah I'll just say I just want to get a quick update I was in a seminar for an hour and a half um on the ARPA funds today and the thing that became clear is that there's still a lot of stuff going on in Washington and all of the final guidance isn't out yet so there's really nothing new that I can report I think we're we're gonna be in a holding pattern here for a couple more weeks okay that's it okay okay perfect any other business anybody nope june 1st right up june 1st and so now we're back to the first and third we're back to the first and third we have not set up a special meeting for the part fire department next month we have said we will put them on the agenda I believe for the second meeting of the month right you agree to the last time I think so the second meeting would be the 15 yep yeah yes the 15th is everyone gonna um be here because I'm gonna be out of town that day and I don't know where I'm gonna be per se we're taking a road trip and so if I can make it I will but if not will there be a quorum yeah I'll be there I'm here I'll be there all right calendar is still up in the air but I believe I blocked off that time yeah so that should be okay I do have I do have just one comment uh about this fire department situation Liz you sent me that letter wasn't that the previous letter that he sent to us or is that a new letter sounded like all the same stuff to me calling me Sarah me I'm sorry what Liz you keep saying Liz I think you mean Sarah no I mean Liz I didn't send you a letter you didn't send me a letter of copy of a letter about the fire department that I misread the email I'm sorry no I don't think so did you no I there's only been one letter from from Jeff so I don't know but it was out of the same because it was the same letter is this the letter from Jeff yes I think it's the same letter so I don't know why I got it or I misunderstood it or whatever I apologize but my point is the thing I wanted to talk about is I think we need to seriously think about which way we're going in terms of the governance of the fire department if we really are marching down the road of taking control of the fire department that's sort of one one fork in the road and we we need to do that I think sooner rather than later and we need to let them know that we're I mean they know we're thinking about it but I just I just think we can't leave that hanging out there for too long and I'm willing to give them I'm willing to give them a little time I mean if they truly have three or four new members and they have this aggressive training schedule and other things that's that's all good but we've had a lot of promises in the past and they haven't come to fruition so that's just that's just a comment by me for everybody to think about how we're going to proceed there's no point in having in having endless meetings where they promise they're going to do stuff I want to see some results and I also want to see them cooperate with Montpelier and Waterbury I know they don't want to I know they don't want to participate in training I know they don't and you know what we can potentially do is use that as a perfect example of why we're thinking over control because I'm sorry Peter I think probably we should put this you know this is kind of like a non-worn item and maybe we should put this on the next agenda to have some discussion amongst ourselves about exactly what you're saying what direction yeah yeah no I disagree I mean I do not disagree correct you agree the double negative I know it's bad English I apologize Mitch yeah I'm just gonna offer a very brief comment that might be a pro of nothing but I was down at the Walter Kelly Park this afternoon repairing and putting up some signs and it turns out there was a fire call and two people came by and took trucks and went off somewhere so good I don't know if that means anything but there you go good did you know who they were Mitch did you know who the people were no okay so I think we are I think we are adjourned so we should put a select board discussion about the fire department on the agenda for our next meeting and then plan on further discussion with the fire department and potentially um I'm feeling on water barrier for the second meeting yeah and are we gonna have that executive meeting on the issue that we couldn't bring up tonight yeah I maybe re-worn that Sarah okay uh just one thing you know if you're gonna have a conversation about the fire department we're gonna put that on the agenda you're gonna get people showing up want to talk you're not gonna you're not gonna get the you know Gary Dillon and Bob gallons that type of thing but people will want to show up and they'll will want to talk about it you know so we can't just make it a conversation among the select board itself it's a public meeting and it shouldn't be an executive session so no no no whatever whatever happens happens I understand that I just want to keep the I just want to keep us on track and keep the conversation going because uh you know September is going to be I mean the summer is going to get away from us like crazy here if I'm not careful which I'm sure you all know okay just and anybody who wants to volunteer to go over to Liz's house and put up screens I'm sure she's welcome to help I'm going to bring her over a fly swatter you could probably spray some of that some of that magic stuff and you're in your headband there that'd probably drive the buds away okay everybody thank you thank you all very much thank you good night everybody thank you bye