Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast I don't even know up so five six of the new of the new season new version I don't know I lost track because it's been a couple weeks, but you know what I told you guys We are not doing a podcast if it's not going to be a high-quality product There will not be rushed together bullshit. We tried this in the past. It leads to inconsistencies We have a certain quality level.  How's it going, man? I I'm doing well. Thanks for having me Nate. I'm really excited to do this Yeah, so for those who might not know who he is I know some of our fans do because you've been begging me for like weeks To talk to him and we've we had like one email exchange at one point But yeah, so yeah, he is a fellow content creator does covers on Nintendo stuff He's got almost 9,000 subscribers if you guys can get him over 9,000 subscribers by the time you're done listening to this podcast That would be great link to his channel down in the description So If you can't tell like promoting all the people that come on our channel, so We are going to be talking a lot about E3 you guys know we got Eric Moore across the desk for those that forget Haven't seen him in a few weeks, of course He is my best friend the hostess that barely talks Well, sometimes you have a lot to say about Pokemon So every now and then when I can tell Eric's got something really interesting to talk about and we can't do a full podcast We'll have like a conversation piece and Eric will just go off and I'm like, why don't you do this on the real Pog anyway, it's got it. It's got a interest a lot of it No, a lot of it actually has to do with I don't want to steal spotlight from our guests so I'd like to let the guests get their reactions out. So don't I steal enough of the spot? That's why I don't want to steal I mean, it's my podcast. Well, I know it's just but I mean no seriously Yeah, you're allowed to steal the spotlight. Yeah, you're allowed to slap me in the face. Tell me to shut up Yeah, and anyways, we're talking E3 and we always have a lot to say about E3 Because we had well, I wasn't gonna start the E3 hype train yet but a lot of things have been like developing over the last 24 hours and Really 48 I suppose by you guys by the time this podcast goes public and The thing is is we've had a couple Particular rumors come out. Yes. I know rumor like rumor and former rumor prime. I get it I understand the criticisms about all the rumor videos. Here's the thing though. I was right They also get the views. Well, I can't help that you guys view that thing.  I'm gonna keep doing it. So if you don't like it I mean you can just unsubscribe but Please don't That being said We actually reported on some rumors for E3 the first real ones we reported on that surround E3 It's not all of the rumors were about E3 some of it's about stuff We're gonna hear about before E3 in particular from a person on Twitter called Samus hunter who? As far as I could tell going back through their Twitter all the way back to the very beginning They might have deleted tweets. I don't know but everything they have posted about has come true The only thing I saw that didn't come true was something they said they weren't 100% sure on but everything They said they're sure about has come true and there's actually a couple rumors I didn't talk about that maybe I'll bring up later that has to do with stuff stuff coming this year Which we might hear about any three Kirby's involved But yeah, so There was a bunch of stuff from him and two of the things he said we were gonna hear about before E3 because he put up that tweet like three four days ago Yeah, today we're confirmed that being ace attorney The we have a nice collection coming. It's coming to pretty much all platforms including switch And then we got a new game trial for Nintendo switch online, which he said we were going to get Nobody knew we were getting it nobody else was reporting on it So that is like okay like direct source on that you can maybe argue somebody else might have said ace attorney at some point You can't argue about the game trial for Nintendo switch online. So yeah, I that's that's really interesting Plus we have Kelly us FR people might know about him He's he's he's been a regular, you know quote-unquote leaker for a long time and usually he's focuses on Pokemon But occasionally he goes into other Nintendo things. He's got more of a spotty record I would say he's probably more close to like 60 40 wrong versus right, but Still 40 percent more right now. I get on my own predictions. So even if he's just guessing he's really damn good at it Actually, he leaked diamond and pearl remakes it we're gonna get and stuff like that So he he's actually been corrected lately on some Pokemon stuff Yeah, and then we also have obviously a really strange Trademark that Nintendo filed actually last year, but kind of flew under the radar because it's like oh, it's a game How do we already know about it must just be like a re-upping well upon further reflection of this trademark? It's a brand new trademark that's not connected to the prior trademarks for this title We're talking about ocarina of time, which is just really really strange So we're gonna talk about all that stuff We're gonna get into our wants our desires what we think's gonna happen at least for Nintendo in future episodes Maybe we'll go into some of the other companies Microsoft Square Enix all that stuff And obviously we'll talk about are we even excited that E3 is back because hey We went we went a whole year with E3 so now we know what the landscape looks like if E3 doesn't exist Because a lot of people when E3 was cancelled last year said oh, we don't need E3 anyway So what's it matter? Well now we know what it's like without E3 now We got to see what it's like with E3 back especially in a digital only form Which if they would have thought ahead of time could have happened last year But ESA was not on top of the ball during the pandemic, but that's okay I don't think many of us were on top of the ball last year with a lot of things myself included so Beyond that we're gonna talk about our plans for E3 because we have some exciting stuff That's literally been developing like crazy over the last couple of days It went from me just thinking we're just gonna live stream react and make a few impression videos Obviously, you know if we get breath a lot of two news and trailers You know I'm gonna want to deep dive into that and have a separate conversation on that Obviously, we'll have our post E3 podcast all that like but that's like standard fare Right, we do that every E3 and then usually we're also at E3 So then we have demos and stuff and gameplay and our hands-on impressions We're not gonna have this year unless they release demos and then if they release demos the hands-on impressions are actually less Relevant because everyone can play it. Yeah So I mean I'll still give them up some impressions on it But it's like yeah, but you can just play it yourself right now for free So you don't really need my impressions to decide if you like it That being said We have some exciting first thing ever happening I can't wait you some of you guys might know what I'm already hinting at if you follow all of our social media channels Which we mentioned in the description by the way, I'm starting to get active again on Instagram because I noticed something on Instagram I don't know if you guys use Instagram. I've never been an Instagram person For some reason every post I put up on Instagram. I only have like 900 something followers on there Which you know, it's it's nothing the scoff at but when I've got 13,000 on Twitter 66 on YouTube 60,000 on Facebook You're like, well, it's not that much. I get more interactions per post on Instagram and sometimes I get per video on YouTube That to me tells me that Instagram's notification system works.  I Wow, I need to start pushing Instagram more because you guys might actually get my content might actually get the Information I put up there.  So yeah, look forward to me Um, if you're if you like Instagram and go over and follow there obviously you can follow Twitter and everything else as well All right, and we'll put by the way for Andre's restart as well We'll have links to all his stuff not just his YouTube channel, but you know else that that he's at We do this all every week for all of our guests And as always if he has a video you like to promote or something like that we'll put a link to that as well Eric he'll be able into his Twitter. I don't know if even logs on. Oh, yeah, I'll say you should you like sports There's a lot of sports news on Twitter. I'm on Twitter. Yeah a lot of sports news on Twitter Well, I don't know because people keep tagging you on my Twitter all the time, and you never respond I See it I just don't respond. Yeah, did you hear did you hear for E3 this year? We're giving away an all-expense paid vacation to Walt Disney World for a whole year. Did you hear? Yeah? We're not we're not actually You said there's no there's no expenses. So then you just buy Disney World and give it away. No, whoa Whoa quiet that kind of money it'd be living a whole different life over here, right? You might not see me on the internet much not that I don't enjoy this. I'm just saying I'd be all living my best life Covid Covid-1. I'm living on Mars. Yeah, right all right so Before we get into the rumors and stuff like this because a lot of people already know what they are if you don't know what they are I'll put a link to the original video as well if you want to see a more condensed version of just the rumors Let's just go E3 is back It's back Did you guys miss E3 last year? Like I know for Eric and I there's like a unique experience where we were in person And that's like I feel like that's almost unfair comparison to most people at home because hello Most of you guys if you don't live in the LA area don't even have the opportunity to really go It's expensive to get flights and hotel and all that jazz. We wouldn't know because that's what we do So like I'm just over you like did you miss E3 last year? Ah Absolutely, I mean, it's interesting because like Missing E3 like sure we didn't get it during the time and you know, I know every year I pay attention E3 It's the eyes may know I'm an entire core Nintendo fanboy So I'm gonna be Religiously paying attention to that throughout those couple days of all that media I'm gonna be just watching all of it enjoying it all. It's gonna it's glorious to me But last year we didn't get that right We didn't really get much for a long time. It wasn't even like just E3 that was gone It was like that entire summer plus was just kind of excruciating Like we were waiting and waiting to get Nintendo news Nintendo news all we had was paper Mario And then I remember correctly We got that one treehouse towards the end of the summer or you know late into the summer And then they said it had a special announcement to make and it was Bakugan and There was just so much Turmoil, I gotta stop you right there that Bakudan game. I don't know what the hell happened I don't is it who I'm looking at it over there's that WB on the side of it I don't know who whoever the company was that Was producing that game and doing the PR for that game I have never given that company my home address I've never had a conversation with them and they sent the game and a whole bunch of Accessories of that Bakudan game after it was announced directly to my home address Well, and like it wasn't just me it happened to like beat them ups It happened to our GT 85 happened to spawn wave and none of us have any idea how this company that we've never talked to Has our personal home address especially when most of us only a public PO boxes So like it was really weird like I've had company send things to my house, but I gave them the address Mmm, I've never like that that's the thing like whoa that game was announced and by the way it sucks It's like one of the worst video games ever made.  I candy crush whatever they're playing these days Yeah, I have kids. I don't let them have phones. I don't know what kids play Anyways, go on. Sorry when you brought a Bakudan I mean, it's just a spot for me It just entirely supports my point though besides the whole creepy thing that they knew your address like It was not an exciting announcement for most of us, right? There was a lot of backlash and you know as a content creator, right like we're Because you know, I pay attention to all of the the credible rumors and such like the 3d all-stars and the Pikmin 3 deluxe is and I'm pretty sure you also thought they were likely happening too. So we're telling people Hey, you know, I think this is happening But you know take with a grain of salt but like because of all of that time where we didn't get Nintendo news You could feel as a content creator could feel like the animosity sort of building up in the comments Amongst viewers and stuff So it was hard for like two different reasons one just because we didn't get a lot of games to play from Nintendo We didn't get a lot of news to sort of be excited about and then just like the community was getting restless So that entire summer period without e3 Sucked so I am 100% glad that that is not gonna be the case this time around right now We have all of these rumors that are continually coming out giving us something to talk about think about It's almost like too much to handle and we're not even at e3 yet We're just what like about two months away starting early. Usually we don't get this kind of stuff till May And it's already starting and we already have some that looks like they might all be true Yeah, that's what's crazy. We don't get stuff this early Did companies forget their security with one year off of e3 or well, I mean, we've had some major e3 leaks before I still remember Like e3 2017 it was Emily Roger said we were going we are getting Mario plus rabbits came to meddling she said that like three months before it was announced She originally teased it like at the end of 2016. Nobody believed her Then she mentioned it again three months before nobody believes her then literally the day before it's unveiled All of the press media assets get dumped online and they're like oh, so this was real the whole time Yeah, yeah So like you know, that's like the earliest I remember hearing something that got revealed at e3 Otherwise we don't we normally I mean, it's literally the there's usually a Four-week I'd say run up to e3 where like it's rumor city like if you guys think I've been covering a lot of rumors now We're not even at e3 rumor season. Mm-hmm This is just the beginning Tip of the iceberg Yeah, like even when you think about some of the stuff we're talking about a lot of it's not really about e3 So it's almost like whatever Nintendo is doing so far is mostly under wraps unless it's Zelda related But we almost expect Zelda so Like here's a I really missed e3 last year I Missed attending. I miss not I'm not going this year It's always more more than getting to go hands-on with the games It's really neat to bump into other youtubers that you've talked to and interacted with and maybe done podcast with You know, it's a great way to network a little bit and it's just it's a different experience going to e3 In person like we all were kids We all grew up like e3 was this big thing that oh, I always want to go And now like anyone can go if you have the money And it just it was it was always a really neat experience And I felt like it was one thing our channel did different than other channels as we gave you lots of hands-on impressions Because most people just we're not gonna fork over the money We're just gonna stay home do our live streams or whatever and that's fine But I always like like the hands-on impression So the thing is I missed it last year just being able to not go in person but then I didn't think I was gonna miss not having the press conferences because I figured hey Nintendo paved the way that you don't need e3. We have Nintendo directs. We don't need e3 Like all these companies just have to go digital now We don't need e3 and then we watched slowly as one company after another after another when they did do digital presentations Sucked at it. That's cuz they haven't had experience with it like Ubisoft did two forwards last year, which is why I hate that they're calling it a Ubisoft forward at e3 this year because The forward brand does not have a good reputation right now But it doesn't mean it won't be good. They could have learned But it's kind of like they're two forwards last year sucked Like people always make fun of them for some of the cheesy stuff that would happen with like Aisha Tyler and all this stuff at their Live shows, but it was better than whatever the hell they were doing last year Do you remember the Wii U? Like digital presentations from Nintendo. Yep And I think they're interesting because like you could argue it's some of like the best like presentations Nintendo may have had in terms of like their theatrics but What what I what it really was to me like as much as I kind of love like the whole like Robot chicken thing that they did and all of that like it was all cool or like the Yeah, or yeah mecca the mecca Reggie like all that was really really fun and exciting stuff as a like Three But it was it was a cover-up for a lack of games because the Wii U was just not something Nintendo was really able to push at the time So it just kind of makes me think like, you know, if we go I don't remember all the details from the other stuff because again, I'm a Nintendo fanboy Like I could talk to Nintendo other companies. It's hit or miss, right? But I have to imagine that part of the reason that their presentations weren't very good was because one to your point that They didn't have a lot of practice with it, right, Eric? Yeah, but at the same time They probably didn't have a lot to show off necessarily as much as they wanted to because again the pandemics were delayed things And that's kind of the thing now is We're still in the pandemic people are still working from home And We still don't know what's delayed and what's not. I mean at the beginning of every Nintendo presentation We're still getting the covid warning. We're still getting all these games We show and none of them might come when we say they're gonna come Which you know, we've already seen, you know, not necessarily from Nintendo yet because it's hard to delay anything when we don't know anything That's another thing why E3 is kind of exciting this year because We still don't know anything really. Okay. We know about Mario and we know like mario golf and we know New pokemon snap, which is great, but that comes out like literally any day at this point And then obviously scabbard story. She that's great. But again, we pour okay Like what where's where what have your teams been making that's new But even mario golf is not made internally at nintendo Um, the last new game hyrule warriors age of calamity is made by koei tecbo Where is like, you know, even new pokemon snap. That's not made by nintendo. That's made Yeah, like so we where is the New from nintendo All the only games two games That we know for sure nintendo is working on internally is metro prime 4 or retro studios and breath of the wild too That's it.  Well, we know about what two and three now that was Right now. Yeah, sorry. Yeah more. No, but I mean But the what the like for example, what is monosoft working on? Yep. Uh, what's the mario team been Doing at all. Yeah, okay.  Yeah, hopefully something big. I hope what about retro studios. What have they been doing since 2014? Do they just can what they are working on just jumped prime for? Mm-hmm, maybe, you know, are we ever Put on a shelf or it's like mario kart 8 deluxe it You know, I just we're just gonna live with a wii u game because it sold 30 million So what I personally hope for is that even though I love mario kart and I've been wanting tracks for years Because that's the last the last actual ground up that mario credit came out in 2014, right? But yeah I kind of want that team the arms mario kart team which hasn't come out with anything since arms at the beginning of the generation for switch Right, like I'm kind of hoping they're doing something new. Yeah Nintendo just revamped their their online setup Um, maybe they're working on another awesome multiplayer like mario kart or arms My heart is like begging for like f zero like I feel like they could pull it off, right? Um, but that that's not every idea for they put mario kart. Yeah, right? Yeah, maybe do bring the death. Definitely have something wait, you know And like I think about last year And all I was in Nintendo basically no showed until the 35th anniversary And then they did the surprise drop for age of calamity and that's great But all that stuff was basically I get the 35th anniversary mario is probably what their e3 plans were So we would have heard about those plans sooner But I I look back at last year and I go but it wasn't just like nintendo that no show like everyone Basically even microsoft has a new system coming out. They do a presentation. Okay, cool Oh, you tease fable you tease does you see all these games are like five years out? So What now granted we didn't know at that time that the behind the scenes They were trying to work out a deal for Bethesda So they were kind of focused on trying to finalize that deal because that's going to lead to them having a ton of games The next few years Owning zen and max and all their studios So I get that okay microsoft is kind of in a unique situation last year that might have made even if e3 existed Not that great for them But can I throw a question at you sure I'm just curious. Um, I know we don't really plan on talking about the microsoft and nintendo rumor stuff right now Right, but not as I want to throw this question I really just kind of curious sure what you think because we just got um, what's his face, uh a known like Nintendo per in investor. What was his name? David Gibson David Gibson. Yeah, I don't know if you saw this yet. Um, but he said would Would make a lot of sense of matt pescatella, but I have had nintendo tell me directly They would not put other streaming services on the switch lost opportunities in reference to all the like game pass speculation right now And we've seen like the switch in all the streams as well. Yeah Yeah, xcloud like obviously microsoft is teasing something, but what is it? Um, according to david gibson nintendo's told him directly that they're not going to put any streaming services on there So it's not game pass What in the world are they teasing? Um One idea that i'm sort of floating in my head since we're you could we're kind of talking about how they Sort of obtain all those different teams, right? Like what if they're working on like, I don't know like a banjo-kazooie remake And it's coming on both xbox and switch like how crazy would that be? My thoughts exactly Or even a banjo-kazooie three Hmm either or that would be amazing. Let's let's just get a triple collection Of no because then you get nuts and bolts. No I'm talking Why that's in the record? That is not a banjo-kazooie game good lord Yeah, no it's made by rare in title That's it um But no you get a banjo-kazooie three with the other two packed in that would be awesome It would be magical. Yeah, I don't know how realistic it is, but it's definitely like on my mind So this isn't me, um Doubting that nintendo said anything that david gibson because david gibson We covered him for a while. He's legit. He's at all the investors meetings. He obviously talks to nintendo I fully believe nintendo did tell him that directly I think the question's actually come up at one of the investor meetings And I think I remember nintendo saying something along the lines that we're not looking into stuff like that right now Of course the right now part of it, but but the thing is is nintendo also said they weren't replacing the 3ds nintendo also said a lot of things over the years that were just blatant lies Oh, yeah, we're not gonna put games on mobile less than a year later. Oh, by the way, we're releasing games on mobile Yeah, it's like nintendo Doesn't it doesn't matter if you're a good buddy buddy with shiguro Miyamoto They are so tight-lipped about anything that if you ask them a question directly That has something to do with any sort of competitor or any sort of thing that might mess up the current marketplace for nintendo like switch pro They were just gonna say nope Not happening that's so like yeah, I'm not doubting that nintendo said the david gipson Nintendo has a track record of lying to everybody until it's unveiled Well, is that really a lie if they slip in it's slipping the casual not at this time. Well, that was during the investors meeting I'm saying the david gipson. I don't think nintendo lied But they did wording You know semantics is definitely like a thing here and there's like ways you can interpret different sentences, right? Like what if for example, we do get game pass or xcloud, but it's a highly customized version Which it probably would have to be was going to be on switch. That's pretty much mostly just microsoft properties Then maybe they wouldn't qualify as a traditional streaming service. So they wouldn't have lied to david gipson, right? they're not planning on doing xcloud or Uh the standard but it could be xcloud switch Which is it's a specified version for the switch. So technically Nintendo's master at language They are masterful at their language. They don't technically lie, but they don't tell the full truth. No, they sometimes lie They sometimes outright lie. Shiguro Miyamoto literally said we are not releasing a new model of 3ds Two weeks later. They announced a new model of 3ds.  Yeah, pigments And then they'll go surprise Oh, that's how let's not get into pikmin. No, it's been almost done for It's almost done since the heyday of we you. Yeah Yeah, um God that that games are sitting in the vault somewhere. It'd be great to get that one released Especially since pikmin 3 deluxe by the way guys is the best only pikmin game of all time So might be time to maybe use that momentum for a pikmin 4 I'm just saying nintendo I think advantage of the momentum you somehow built out of a game. You didn't even really market last year I think that's their plan because think about it like the super nintendo world has all these random pikmin And then mars stuff and nothing else like why? Right, and then we have this pikmin mobile game that nyantic is developing that's coming out this year So you consider those things along with yeah, pikmin 3 deluxe it just came out Maybe they're sort of trying to and all their moments are kind of pre-cursed a new switch game, right? Like yeah, go then we had pokemon games Yeah, which I mean we're gonna get pokemon games. Anyway, it's kind of a bad example fire. Um, no heroes fire only three houses Uh mario mario run. Obviously that came out right before mario odyssey Go did create a lot of a surge for sun and moon though. Like there is a proven sales History of doing that. Yeah deluxe has a little momentum now people might know what pikmin is a little bit get the mobile game out there Then drop so like there's there's kind of a pattern there where you can you know what? Maybe this year next year, you know, maybe more next year We'll see is the time to drop a new pikmin game that supposedly has been done for Half a decade That might be kind of interesting If the 4k switch is real right Pikmin's always been touted as a game that benefits from higher resolutions So maybe they want to wait and stick visuals for the background yet, and they'll drop it. It's pikmin 4k There you go, maybe there you go I kind of expect that maybe not with an actual k, but you know like you know something along those lines. Yeah so yeah, like so e3 last year was just It not being around Sucked I think for the whole industry I I thought that I wasn't going to miss press conferences And then when I saw what the whole industry replaced it with like jeff kealy did his summer game fest thing And he's doing that again this year But the problem with jeff kealy's summer game fest wasn't that there wasn't a lot of cool indie games or even some cool triple A games There was some cool video game. It was neat But it was spread over three months and the problem with it being spread over three months is after a while people begin to lose interest Um because it's like look if you watched one and there really wasn't anything that interested you You're less likely to watch the second one the third one the fourth one So like okay, and then if you start off with like here's a couple big Reveals during our first one, but then the second one doesn't have any then they just drop off for the rest as well So like you if you don't have Something like nintendo directs if you don't have something happen that people care about in each nintendo direct They start caring less and less about the next ones and um, so like We got swatoon 3 that kind of for some people save that last nintendo direct for them So that said okay Well, that means we're still going to get you know a big reveal in nintendo directs And I would be excited for the next nintendo direct that's independent of e3 But we jeff kealy didn't really create that which is interesting since People had expectations because jeff kealy's game awards Always had big reveals We we got literally the xbox series x was unveiled at The game awards of all places You know, we got our first ever gameplay for breath of the wild back in 2014 Granite off-camera At the game awards So like big things happen at the game awards big games get unveiled at the pain out of three was unveiled at the game awards Haven't seen anything since uh, so like So jeff kealy has this big show like oh summer game fest is going to be great It's going to be his vision for what e3 should be and it's it just it's not bad. It's just not It's not hype. It'll lack the hype of e3 I think what makes e3 special is it's a condensed period of time Where a huge chunk of the industry comes together to collectively take advantage of the each other's audiences To unveil a bunch of products and you find out about a bunch of things You might not otherwise find out like andre as an example You're just primarily care, you know nintendo nintendo nintendo, right? But then like because they're at e3 you might you might hear about some some big things that happen with xbox Or some big things that happen with square enix or that aren't coming to nintendo because nintendo is partaking In this e3 event. So you're surrounded by people talking about it I always pay attention to like the ubisoft event just had the hope that they show something off Like I think there was a one time to show it off like star fox for example in a star link Yeah, I keep my eyes peeled. It's like all star in starling. By the way, it's really good guys It's just yeah, and like I don't know if you've played immortal phoenix rising, but oh Oh my god, if you love breath of the wild that game I don't I don't know that it's better. It's on my list, but it's up there. It's on my list Oh, it's good. Um, even the switch version. It's excellent So I played it on switch. I've also played on google stadia. I own it on switch I think I played it on playstation for Once but um anyways So yeah, I missed e3. It sucked not having it around And now it's back now. We have a bunch of major studios. Yeah, no sony again. Sony dipped out a few years back I think Sony well, there there's two things that happened why sony dipped out was one their last presentation they did was not good That's when they showed off last of us two And they moved the live audience from one studio to another studio in the middle Of e3 after only being in the one studio for all of 10 minutes Just so they could play some nine minute interlude song from last of us two Then they moved them to a thing It did this giant intermission thing where all the people that they had talking to intermission had nothing interesting to say Lost everyone. It was one of the worst like Live shows that you like I thought it was bad when nintendo was on stage and trying to make we music look like it worked Like Like nintendo literally failed making skyward sword look interesting like oh we have one to one motion. Oh Crap, it's not working on stage or like like nintendo's has a really horrible showcases other microsoft has been really lame Ubisoft has a lot of cringe everything. I mean god every time they do just dance Not only does I do I get a copyright thing on my channel Thanks, ubisoft I don't know how you haven't figured that out by ahead of time to okay it with these music publishers to not have that Happen right during the event because you keep telling us you you literally ubisoft will email and be like hey live stream our event Hey How about you don't put copyrighted music that's gonna get my channel strike down and I can't stream for the rest of e3 But don't worry. We won't copyright strike. Yeah. Oh, yeah ubisoft won't. Oh, I know that's what they said That's what they said all of a sudden it was like Then like half the you know a good majority of the people got copyright strike, you know like Oh, yeah, it was you were you said you weren't gonna do it Was I like All the big streamers on youtube got pissed because because ubisoft happened on like day two And there's four days and they couldn't like we they couldn't stream nintendo They couldn't stream nintendo like a major platform holder They could not stream it to their main audience because of the copyright strikes So they're all running the twitch where none of us have a big audience and it's like this is just the dumbest Yeah, it was it was a pain I remember that one So now people try to mute it, but like you got it You got to catch it like in the first five seconds or you're getting striked anyways Yeah, so it's like wait a second.  Nope Like I literally um, I literally like sang a song like a little one tiny little verse from a refrain of a song During one of my videos like two weeks ago as a joke because it kind of fit something we were talking about It was a wake me up with september ends by green day I sang that little line for just a brief second in there that small clip got the I didn't get a strike for it But it got the video claimed. I'm like That's my voice. How do you know? I'm not writing a song. Yeah, and just jack some lyrics, which I guess would be illegal But oh, yeah, but they don't own those individual words. I mean, right fair use is a thing Right. No. Yeah, but on youtube. It's really bad right now. You can't do covers. I think anymore It's just bad Anyway, even though technically covers are completely within fair use, right? Um, I think I think it's often because the problems you have to fight for it But yeah, the problem with covers is you need to prove that you didn't take the original sheet music Because you're not supposed to legally be able to use that sheet music Now if you came up with it all on your own, that's fine But you have to prove that you did it all on your own that you didn't reference the original sheet music And and just edit it which that's why youtube's like well, we can't prove that so we're just not going to allow it It's It's done. There are some groups that do get permission now some of the bigger choir groups out there and stuff They do get permission, but um, anyway, so like e3 is back and i'm really excited because all these companies come back together We have microsoft and nintendo participating. Obviously, sony still Obviously their last show wasn't good and they told esa a while ago. They don't agree with what they're doing with the show Uh, I don't know like not sure what they don't agree with because I it Has the show really changed all that much and it has because they left fans in now Oh, yeah, I spoke but like that's what sony does at psx. So I don't know I never really understood what sony's issue is then again I we're not gonna spend that much time talking about sony. I don't like what jim ryan's doing over there right now um So a lot of sony fans don't like what jim ryan's doing and saying over there all the kudos to jim ryan for You know caving to peer fresher and realizing.  Maybe that's the thing we shouldn't do So kudos to them for at least going back on that and admitting they made a mistake But when it comes to e3 like we have we have obviously sony or sorry nintendo microsoft Uh, I believe capcom said they were participating Um, now we have square enix, which wasn't part of the original announcement. They're participating. That's huge And I think square enix maybe wasn't part of that initial announcement I think a lot of the stuff they have to show they could have showed with playstation So they wanted to see if sony was going to participate and they didn't so then square's like, oh, well, then we'll get in We're going to show you final fantasy 7 if sony won't right We're not going to wait for sony's permission. Like this is our game um So like and that's really exciting because we'll probably see project octa uh When the project triangle strategy, we'll probably see that Yeah Um, who knows I'd like to see more square games coming coming to switch. I'd be great Um, I'm really hoping that because like square enix and capcom Those are like the two japanese companies that are just killing it right now Just killing it. I mean look at all of capcom's recent releases and like still we have monster hunter stories 2 coming up Yeah, I mean with with both rise and residential village. They have what like two game of the year contenders right there Yeah, and there's all those rumors out there from dusk olem about how like there's a revelations 3 But it won't be called that and it has like the budget of village coming to switch Like potentially later this year like that's obviously something that we've shown off at e3 Like that's just there's so much exciting stuff just from capcom for switch owners Let alone the entire industry like village is a big deal Um and demos out there play it for free Uh, I think it's out on all platforms. I know it was on playstation early and then You know, obviously square enix is doing their thing and then in microsoft We presume microsoft's got a shitload of the show because people some people were disappointed but that's that doesn't have their own show But then microsoft is like, hey, like they're part of our show and like but they're gonna be like their own section of our show So like it's going to be like they have their own conference, but it's within the microsoft show like well Yeah, no shit, right you own them Why wouldn't it be the case? So who knows we're gonna see from them. I'm gonna see others for six Um, I have no idea. I have no idea what the speck from Bethesda other than what starfield That that's the one big game is supposed to come this year their space game Um, so we'll see we'll see about that and then nintendo, which is obviously the company we care the most about here at nintendo That's the company andres restart cares the most about it's the company that for the most part eric and i grew up on Yeah, we dabbled a bit in genesis. Yeah, we dabbled a bit in xbox. Yes, we went Well, for some reason we never dabbled in sony because yeah, right? Yeah, we're nintendo.    Yeah, right?  I do own a playstation 4 I I do Like microsoft games. I do play the other games on it. So just to be clear And no one can accuse me of a bias I literally right now i'm staring at a playstation 5 and an xbox series x Um, and I got my switch right here next to me Which is just in the shop because it's cool and I have a light up zelda thing And we're gonna be talking about zelda in a little bit Yeah, um, and I got a gaming pc that I also edit on so like Um, you can't accuse me of any bias here. Well, it says your name, but well Okay, so the bias for me is that I obviously love nintendo right games in general More than other platforms. It doesn't always mean that I think nintendo is the best hardware or the best services They definitely don't have the best services right now game pass My word. I wish if all three platforms had game pass, I would be in heaven.  Yeah, because god, I'll I'll give them a hundred twenty two I'll give them 200 bucks a year. I don't care. That's like only three games $360 games and nintendo doesn't drop prices on games. So God dang would I love a game pass like a nintendo pass? I guess they should come Would that make sense for a nintendo though? No, like you look at So like they're probably never gonna do it because as long as we're games never keep their value I think it depends I think what's happening is game pass is kind of like that pioneer Right now and if game pass is now up to 23 million subscribers They start getting the 50 a hundred million plus subscribers You're and and you start seeing the revenue that's being generated by it's going to make sony and nintendo go.  I know they're trying a new thing with servers and all that and that that's great But I mean we're not talking about certainly with microsoft Their servers are great. They're some of the best in the world. Right We're talking about hey, you could download every Microsoft for like published game Day one Oh and third party games Now we're starting to get those games too day one mlb the show 21 day one on game pass Why go spend 60 bucks and and the thing is what I thought was crazy about game pass Not not to veer to off the subject mlb, uh not i'm with outriders It was one of the first third party games to hit a hit a small platform that hit on game pass day one And it still was the third best-selling game in the mpd on xbox Despite the fact that you could just play it on game interesting Well, what people forget about with game pass is it provides you discounts on the games that you download Right, so you could actually buy them if you like them. You don't have to stay subscribed to game pass You can get a discount and just buy the game To have that physical version or just a digital version. I think it's a digital version Okay, I haven't actually taken advantage of it But just people worry. Oh, well they can always remove content either right they can or but they'll let you keep it for a discount That's actually kind of a cool thing So I think what's happening is game pass is proving it's not actually hurting game sales Well, and there is also the there is also the idea of you want more from this developer. So You know, why not throw him some money here? Yeah, you could save yourself some money And if you get it at this kind of price and and stats came out last year that showed that even when people don't buy the games Revenue is actually up in those individual games because every game has dlc and micro transactions Yep So like people oh, I didn't spend 60 bucks on this game 70 so 70 bucks is gen PlayStation 5 So like interesting. Hey, we'll buy more micro transactions because we don't mind spending money on micro transactions now because I didn't invest A ton of money to get into the game Which is which is how all these free-to-play games fortnight and everything else make a bunch of money too because Hey, you play it for free. You never have to spend money, but you know, you want to look cool spend money Um, I do think um that there is a possibility that Nintendo Could do like some sort of subscription service beyond just a star nintendo online I'm basically just alluding to like, you know legacy content like virtual console because if you look at Like the 3d all star situation They created emulators for those games and now they're going to be mysteriously missing But I was actually looking at it earlier and apparently they're still kind of marketing 64 sanctioning galaxy as being on the system But not 3d all stars anymore So the implication being that somehow they'll still be available someday. Yeah, probably for like 40 bucks. Yeah Maybe maybe or maybe they will are willing to have some sort of like subscription service where they actually have Games that are upscaled to 1080p Uh, that are from their older systems Maybe I mean, I think they can be on just the basic ones. They haven't in all my I think they could tie that in With the switch online service to be honest Maybe because they already have like the retro platforms and technically right they're the quote-unquote upscaled But like right now we only have 8 bit and 16 bit systems. So like an upscaled. Okay. Yeah, it's not blurry on my tv That's nice. Yeah, but like it's still, you know, it's not widescreen. It's not, you know You know, it's not what they did with the hd versions for 3d all stars And I think that's one thing people are Maybe that's one reason that nintendo is a little hesitant with like making n64 Just like normal n64 on there that they just you know, quote-unquote up res like they did with mario 64 Because it's not going to really look that great on our tv's So They like right now you can get away with 8 bit and 16 bit because it's going to look the same no matter what Uh, but like once you go to the next ones, you kind of kind of go the extra mile And I don't know if nintendo wants to do that, but we'll see And if it looks blurry, yeah, it's just because it's 8 bit Yeah, it's just because it's 16 bit. Yeah, you can blame it on the you can blame it on the graphics So yeah, this should be a big this should be a big e3 for nintendo Yeah, like they they I thought maybe if they were at e3 this year because we didn't know at the time When they did the last nintendo director, they were going to be we didn't know if there was going to be an e3 for sure um But then when nintendo did that that presentation the end it was between three and I'm like, okay So what about 2021? Yeah, it was so strange. Um, like the whole second half's like, oh, let's just talk about 2022 now instead of The most important part of this year. Yeah, it's like, okay Then you have to have then you must be at e3. That was my initial.  I love it. It's in my top five Zelda games, but It's a we still an old Zelda game. That's like that's like saying Hey, we gave you 3d all stars and that's the only game you're gonna play in the second half of the year No, they gave us Pikmin 3 deluxe, which again another port, but they at least gave us age of calamity something new So there's got to be something don't know what we know pokemon, of course Can't forget the diamond probe, but again old games being remade. Where's the new also an outsmart game It's not even being made directly by game. Granted if pokemon Arceus turns out to be everything that people want it to be It'll be worth it like. Oh, yeah, they gave it this little studio. It's not quite the remakes you want But that's so they could make this okay Absolutely, but it just kind of begs the question though. What do they have for 2021? Yeah, besides the pokemon the pokemon games and You know again Mario gloss super rush can't can't understate comes out after e3 They're gonna probably talk about it at e3 looks great Um, I'm really excited for it. They have they have an rpg mode in it awesome I've been waiting for that since like the game boy color days Yeah, like they went away from it when they used to have rpg mode now bring me back Favorite tennis game. Yeah, but Again, it's one of those. This is what we thought about mario tennis. This is what we thought about super mario party It looked fantastic the demo for mario tennis amazing the gameplay is great Oh the single player it looks promising then the game got here and it was kind of shallow It was kind of empty a little bit the gameplay is still great the gameplay in super mario party is great But only four courses you can't actually play the courses online with your friends Even though you keep advertising we have online, but then it's only select mini games You can't actually play a board game online How come ubi soft has uno monopoly all these games that you could go online and play full board games against people But you can't play mario party against like you could play amiibo festival against people online amiibo festival are we you had better online multiplayer than super mario party That's not right No, that's not right. There is some speculation. There's another mario party may be coming out this year They they usually have multiple mario parties per system So there is even i'm not saying this is like at all confirmation, but just kind of like, you know Feeling the speculation there's like that new diddy kong render and people are wondering why did they update that diddy kong render Maybe because they're making another mario party game or some other sort of mario spin off the asm Or the putt of a mario party or mario cart nine Maybe Actually, um, I don't I I wanted to point this out to you Um, I was because I was digging through samus hunter, right the the leaker in question for the podcast, uh, and this was on January 30th because I was trying to figure out like the credibility of this person, right? Um, and I'll just read this to you real quick if that's all right January is coming to an end that means february is just around the corner next month will be full of new Announcements two main presentations are planned one of which is dedicated pokemon that'll good good good good insight into the coming months Yep, basically you're just alluding to two presentations a pokemon presents and the direct which later Said he wasn't sure if it would be a direct but you know, so but he was pretty close Yeah, but later he said that was after him. Yeah, he was pretty close Uh, he then later said this in the in that thread though Uh, should I screen share is that easier or just yeah, you do what you want. You can screen share sure It'll be it'll be yeah, I just not okay. Let me see that can I wish I could Hopefully that shows up there This is just showing up. Oh, is it like a little can you double click on it? Let's get bigger No Yeah, it just shows up like a little tiny thing for us. They look okay square down here in the corner of the screen It's okay. It's okay. I can I can edit it on it. Yeah. Well, I'll I'll I'll just read it. It's fine. It's it's basic Um mark art nine does not exist after a team finished development of arms. They started working on new projects It's possible that one of the prototypes was a new title in the series But right now they are focused on something else Those talk about mark art nine are not true leakers Interesting that he's saying that no Interesting. Yeah, I mean I just like the idea of them working. You Ip, but there's not really any Legit info out there that Mario Kart 9 exists. It's mostly just people go Yeah, okay, Mario Karty deluxe is selling a lot, but like it's also seven years old It's also not new to the system. And yeah, it's it's selling a lot How well do you think a Mario Kart 9 is going to sell with 100 million switches on the market? Right Remember Nintendo said halfway through the life cycle. Well, then drop a Mario Kart 9 You could always nine deluxe it from the next system but again Nintendo might just say hey It's our like number one Maybe number two behind Animal Crossing now selling a game on the platform You know, we're not gonna care about Mario Kart right now Maybe what's interesting about that too is that potentially that leaves Mario Kart 9 as a potential launch game for a next gen system That's my perspective. Yeah. So and that I mean, you know, one can argue that Mario Kart's a seller So that would be a huge launch game Might even be bigger than Breath of the Wild was so Here's another consideration. Um, sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you're good Yeah, uh, like my perspective has been like Nintendo has a lot of these evergreen titles like with Mario Karty deluxe Uh, so you have this team this incredible team that made both arms and Mario Kart 8 They they've been doing something since 2017 They could make another Mario Kart 9 and that will surely sell a whole bunch for sure But they already have this evergreen title that's still selling Mario Kart 8 deluxe What if they use this opportunity to put out and revive a franchise or create another franchise and because of how Healthy the switch environment is they are able to establish a new audience for another franchise that they can rely on moving forward Like what's a better investment getting guaranteed sales from Mario Kart 9 or getting a guaranteed other established franchise Moving forward and then having both for the next generation Mario Kart because there's no guarantee that that new ip is going to take off No, but my argument is that I know there's actually a really there's a really good argument to support the new ip Shintaro Furukawa of all people Recently spoke up and an interview with nikkei in japan, which eric's like what? Because he doesn't always want follow all the news I've heard of the source. Yeah. Yeah, so shintaro furukawa came out there and said hey We are like I'm just paraphrasing here essentially we're in the future for nintendo We're focusing on new ip's not just on our stable. We're always gonna have our stable But we don't want to see what happens basically he's building on the hold not wanting to fall off a cliff thing He said in the past all the stuff. I always said we were so reliant on like these core ip's like basically the zelda mario And mario spin offs to go with that and then pokemon like those are like the three pillars that nintendo has been Super reliant on over the years. Yes. They got a curbie game over here. Not a huge seller Yes, they have metroid not a huge seller not especially compared to all the other ip's I mentioned like there are three main ip's Are basically what carries nintendo every single generation Uh, and the thing is he's like That's never enough. It doesn't sustain us We need more and we're not gonna get more if we don't make it. We need to make more new ip's So here's the thing they already added a fourth new staple because of new ip's on we you splatoon Mm-hmm. So it's huge So tune two blew up.  Oh, yeah Like so now they got a fourth pillar. Obviously smash bros.  Yeah, right. Well, we also got animal crossing the animal crossing. Yeah Like yeah, okay, everyone's like, oh, yeah a new leaf got like 11 million. I'm sorry 30 mil Okay, animal crossing is now a pillar too. But again, those are all staple franchise Awesome, your staple franchises are more popular than ever. But what's next? What what are you gonna have besides because what how long like what would we wait for animal crossing? Like eight years for a new one submit A long time from they might not wait that longest time though Well, here's the problem with animal crossing. It's a life simulator. It never ends It's a never ending game. Good point. So like that's why they waited. So like newly sold incredible 11 million on 3ds. Why wouldn't you make another? Well, because it's a life simulator You don't like sims 4 has been around forever. You don't like replace life simulators that often Um, they tried that with sims back and they quickly went from sims 1 to sims 2 to sims 3 And they saw sales just kept going down and now because it's a life simulator You don't need to replace you could release new content for it You can release dlc's expansions, but like you don't need to have a brand brand new game Every single generation new idea Yeah, one per generation. Yeah I think the problem is that we had a mebo festival instead. So that was kind of like Or that they come to that as an animal crossing game. I think that was kind of like uh Hey, we made that mario party game. Nobody bought it. So here's the meat festival. You you guys like animal crossing, right? Here's a mebo festival Like I think they were trying to justify their amoebas as well At the time because they kept talking. I remember when amoeba came out They kept talking like I got the mebo on the desk I got the bandro kazooie one and like I remember them talking about how Amoebas gonna have all this functionality in all these games and they tried a few things People didn't like that functionality They just wanted collectibles and I don't know why it took nintendo so long to realize people just want to collect shit Right, you don't have to like make it you like here's the thing The mario lego sets cool and they got the luigi one out now. Great. I'm telling you right now I don't own the mario set, but I have I have used the mario lego set It's like it's a really neat thing one time Then it's not really fun anymore Because you don't really you're not really doing anything So it's it's different than other lego sets, but like lego techniques way better in terms of interactivity Why do people I think nintendo Kind of missed the boat with the legos even though they're selling incredibly well, of course No doubt about that. It's it's a major ip with lego Always sells incredibly well like I think lego came out and says like their best new selling Lego sets like in the history of the company for like the last 20 years. I believe it. Oh, yeah I mean mario is that big. I believe it But it's also one of those situations where It's like they could have just released normal mario lego figures with normal mario mario play sets And it would have sold just as well Because the point of lego is to use your imagination And the problem I have with that mario lego set it takes the imagination out of it Touch your character here to collect the coin touch here to stomp on their head and it's like, okay You're telling me what to do now. I'm not using my imagination anymore. You're literally doing it Um, and so like that's that's the one thing I feel like they missed out on what lego is That doesn't mean that's what it's always going to be in the future. I'm waiting for zelda lego sets to drop Hmm and stuff like that. I'm sure they're probably going to end up doing the same thing they did with mario Something unique some giant 8-bit link character, which I'm going to end up buying because I'm a sucker for everything zelda Yeah, you are But it'll become part of the podcast set probably permanently eric and i'll be sitting here playing it against each other throughout the whole cast As andre's sitting there. Hi. Oh, well, I'm sorry. I've been talking for half an hour. It's okay. We've been playing zelda legos over here Yeah, right. Don't worry about it Um, so speaking of uh, the e3 stuff obviously we've been bringing up samus hunter a lot because Guys, he's already gotten a couple things. Correct. We mentioned it before he got the ace attorney stuff If you're not aware there's a ace attorney collection coming out now on everything capcom announced and then he got the uh The new game trial for nintendo switch online. He was right on that But he talked about other things how we're going to get mario golf super rush news before e3 Which I thought was always interesting since the game comes after e3 But it could be that nintendo is clearing that game out for e3 like we'll have it at e3 We'll have nintendo or else play it but or is it just going to say it like a quick We'll have a trailer. We'll have a demo coming out at e3 and then that's that's all you hear for it I have no idea like it could just be as I could just be a trailer could be commercials. I have no idea It's just going to be some sort of news right about mario golf super rush And again, I think possibly it's because not because they're not going to mention it at e3 I don't think they're I think they know whatever else they have to show off Like possibly a breath of the wild too Is going to overshadow this game anyways, so why not like give it its own Advertising window before we get the big I don't like to do a scourge sort They could have waited for e3 to talk about the average sort right But if they know the top of breath of the wild too there It's kind of like no scourge sort hg needs its own cycle right right and like you said I could see treehouse playing it But oh, yeah, treehouse would play but I don't you know to see it Maybe there's even a demo journey three for everyone and that's that's kind of Mario tennis they had demos for republic so time demos journey three But to actually see it in the run of god that would mess up our live streams Right right dang it To actually see it in the run in the run of e3 content. Yeah, probably not. It would make sense that they would just say Like a couple days before e3 Here's a demo here. Here's my thing I don't know if there's going to be a lot of new news from mario golf super rush ad e3 beyond possibly a demo All right, I think any of the major news won't I think we already know most of the major news They unveiled like game modes and everything. Yeah, right So I think whatever news that they have I don't care if they show up before you Let it have its own news cycle before we get into the bigger stuff because beyond nintendo There's all this other news going on like everything's fighting for attention during e3 Mario golf will probably get lost in the shuffle. So given it its own couple day news cycle I think would make sense plus obviously Uh, there's probably gonna be nintendo treehouse throughout e3 I think it's gonna be interesting to see if nintendo does the normal treehouse thing Where they have literally live streams throughout all of e3 on their own channels for treehouse I find that interesting because obviously this is an event where everything comes together and nintendo is like If you're a nintendo fan ignore everyone else just come watch us But technically they usually do that after all the major conferences, but here's the problem The show is basically nothing but conferences for four days, right Maybe because supposedly there's going to be eight hours of stuff I can't imagine there's four days of eight hours. Maybe maybe what happens is nintendo gets a whole day Yeah, microsoft gets a whole day and the other companies share the other two days. I have no idea I'm actually curious what you think here because I believe if i remember correctly the dates are 12 through 15, right? Um, and that starts on a saturday. Yeah, it's a weird start. Yeah, so I'm not even sure i'm nintendo usually does things during the week Like it wouldn't shock me if they wait till like monday to actually start doing their thing Well, they've you know, or maybe they do it like right? So so e3 itself has always been like a three-day event The in-person stuff But the press conferences have also always been a three-day event Starting two days before e3 nintendo would always go the first day of e3 Opening they would basically be like we're going right in the morning and we're kicking off e3 opening as doors And that was always a really cool thing nintendo's been doing that for years They've been kicking off the opening but they'd also meant nintendo always meant last after everybody Which is why they always started on day three of the press conferences hence year. Oh, it could be on monday Um, but I think it's different this year Um, because at least from what we saw the preliminary plans before e3 was officially back We heard was that there was like these two hour time slots reserved On the first couple of days for platform holders Well, I mean that's microsoft and nintendo Microsoft is probably gonna want to go first because That that's just full spencer wants to do and nintendo is not going to care when they go. No, so Um, we'll see. We'll see what happens again May 6th is supposedly as we're going to get into in a moment when we're going to start hearing when nintendo's going to tell us When to look forward to stuff what potential stuff is going to be happening They're not going to give us game announcements guys may six Potentially what they do because may 9th in 2019 even if it's not may six. It's going to be early in may Nintendo always lets you know roughly a month ahead of time When to take off work when to schedule your time to watch nintendo stuff. Here's when tree house is happening Here's any tournaments or anything else we have surrounding e3. Here's our main presentation planned accordingly They always let you know about a month ahead of time And then from that moment forward, that's the rumor city so Like we already know when square enix is happening Microsoft hasn't given their time yet, but it doesn't matter. We're literally within the next three weeks guys We're probably going to know when every single thing's happening for for e3 Moving on like pc gaming show by the way is is happening during e3 So I don't know if they're going to get featured with with the esa or if they're going to try to do Their own event while e3 is going on which I think would be really stupid But then they do that every single year I don't the pc gaming show needs to find a way to work with the esa to not treat pc gaming is like this separate thing Yeah, it's weird like though. Oh, we got this three hour event happening in the middle of e3 whenever other people are doing things It's like Come on pc gaming show like I don't care three hours long fine. Do your long thing. I don't care But like This is a perfect year to be involved ever there is no show floor Yeah, they could use a three hour window for pc gaming show to be completely honest Is digital devolver in their wackiness? Oh, I hope digital devolvers involved. Oh, I love Okay, guys, they have the most consistent show every year. Well, you just want to be entertained. You don't have to like the games They're the most entertaining Presentation every year. It's awesome. It's literally like a mini movie. Oh, yeah, it's it's amazing And it makes you laugh. Oh, they're really comedic Um, so anyways get into uh, samus hunter here who we At this point, I mean they've been right on you. Let's say go back on their twitter He's they've been right on a lot of stuff.  I got right And it doesn't even have everything It doesn't like he was right about indy. He was right up with the indy world showcase That's not on there like this so he hasn't updated it, you know, something like february or something I can't remember but um, maybe I'm too much to show off. What? It's too much to show off. Yeah, too much. He's got too much right to show off. He's like guys, I'm I'm legit I don't know why people still don't tweet too many characters for pinned tweets Uh, so we're gonna be at metopia news, which That's a prize. Well, it is kind of surprising that they're gonna say this is for me a demo announced before e34 But again, metopia to me is one of those games that dad it comes out in may so like it's got everything and You can't wait till e3 to talk about a demo Meetopia would get buried no one's really like nintendo does it sometimes they'll talk about a game that just came out at e3 It's like no, no, no, no, no. We already know that game. It's already out. We already decided to want to buy it Yeah, yeah, so and so metopia Not a surprise. I mean a demo. I guess I shouldn't really be nintendo has been more apt to do demos lately Uh on switch specifically so even if it's just a time demo, which I hate when they do these time demos It is kind of nice in some regards with like a mario tennis I suppose I understand that more because then you gather the online community together at one time to play Plus you can push your servers. So it's a good server test. Oh, yeah So I understand that but like some some games when they do timed ones. I don't always understand it, but metopia Uh supposedly news on that with like he said he doesn't say for sure a demo likely a demo Um when he's really sure on something he's really sure there'll be metopia news He's pretty sure there'll be a demo one thing you'll notice with samus hunter is he lets you know when the information he has Isn't like set in stone kind of thing. It's like oh, yeah, he's heard them talk about it, but um, you know I'm not for sure saying it Um animal crossing new horizons. He says we're gonna have an update on that before. I mean we get Yeah, I mean, I mean anyone could I this isn't me trying to knock him I'm sure it's true because we always get animal crossing new horizons updates Yeah monster hunter rise 2.0 update. Apparently it's gonna happen before e3 or at least we're gonna hear about it Obviously we talked about the new game trial and the ace attorney games. That's already been confirmed Uh pokemon stuff, uh, which doesn't surprise me. Pokemon doesn't care day three They they usually have a person assuming it's a normal year They usually do something like right before e3 and then they don't just mentions it during the direct And then they have trios footage. So it's a standard there The pokemon company doesn't specifically Like we played pokemon games, uh, we what what the let's go games and we played Sword and shield at e3, but it's like but those weren't made like a big deal of ad e3 Um, they were just present treehouse played it because everything was said before e3 Like that's the pokemon company again runs to the beat of their own drum They want all the attention on them When they talk about their stuff, they don't want to be mixed in with others So, yeah them doing some big reveals for pokemon arceus legends, uh for the diamond and pearl stuff Obviously, uh, I presume we're getting news on new pokemon snap before new pokemon snap comes out at least a trailer a launch trailer So, um, we've been getting trailers and we haven't ever trickling over that a few days. Yeah So like you could argue because of those trailers that we've already got news But I think everyone knows no we're gonna we're gonna get like some sort of another Presentation from the pokemon company So, I mean again That pokemon presentation could have dlc for snap by that point right because let's say it happens like the first week of june Or last week of may the game will have been out for about a month Right, but it's a game that makes sense. Have we'll see exactly all their island, uh for sure Yeah, that's what great about snap is that now that we're in an age of updates in dlc Like they can keep that game going a long time Keep lots of different dlc. I mean god At least one season pass. I see happening at least a thousand pokemon guys. They could yeah If there was ever a game they try to put all the pokemon again Yeah snap, you know over time not all at once um All right, uh next up is really cool Um, there's gonna be something revealed for this is the one that you're like, oh, okay This is almost like the rest of stuff. You could be like, okay. It's kind of expected, right? This is one where it's like wait really Something for zelda revealed that isn't directly related to breath of the wild 2 before e3 I'm thinking about this. So it can't be like scourge sort hd news. That's already been revealed so like What are the what don't they want to like like I presume this is because breath of wild 2 is going to be at e3 So whatever they're going to show is going to get buried by that So like is this where we get wind waker hd twilight princess hd that jeff grub said we're supposed to be getting is Announced this where we see the Like I can see that I can see that being a twitter announcement if they do You know if they're not going to do a big 35th blowout and they're just going to trickle zelda stuff all year Like okay, they could they could literally twitter announce that Um, there is a later rumor in here about spirit tracks, which I think is bullshit. Yeah, but tinfoil hat Where'd I put my tinfoil hat? Yeah Um, they that that is what they like I'm looking at that part where you're alluding to they say But I have something extra ellipses The train will make at least one more step before reaching the end It's kind of like a double meaning one is hinting spirit tracks, but also one more thing before the big show which is the direct um I it's interesting because uh, I've you know, like I told you I was kind of looking through the everything This guy's been saying over the last few months and one thing that they've alluded to Is that initially the mario anniversary direct was supposed to happen in april according to samus hunter Okay, and if that's actually was actually meant to be the case it kind of makes sense because paper mario the origami king was Announced in may which is strange right like because we initially thought maybe it wasn't happening. Yeah, right So maybe initially it was all gonna happen in april. That's when paper mar would have been announced And so if that's the case actually like let's hypothetically, we don't know if that's actually true But if it was then that would suggest that nintendo might want to do something similar where they announce the zelda anniversary plans in april But they save like the big focus of breath a while until until e3 Maybe they give us like a little teaser at the end of this zelda direct for april and then they pull out tune in for more Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe they have they have done stuff like that before Uh, that that would be interesting um And that gets into another thing where nintendo a trade let's say a trademark for okrino time for those that wonder It's all speculation at this point what that trademark means. It could be nothing Um, but it's a separate trademark from the n64 version and the 3ds version Which makes people think oh, then there's going to be a switch version some sort of remake or whatever We'll see grezzels probably working on something. They did do the 3d version. They did do mitopia They obviously remade links awakening. That's like the big thing. Hey the last zelda remake we got was them A full-on remake of links awakening and they just called it links awakening It wasn't links awakening hd wasn't links awakening remastered or remake. It was just called links awakening So it could just call it just ocarino time And here you go. It's literally like Rebuilt you know the game's reborn on switch. That's people are hoping that as well I'm just saying that we don't know that to be the case is speculation. I don't know that I expect it, but Technically that's from nintendo Like that's something facts so much something It doesn't it might just be merchandise. I've no idea but something Something is happening or at least something they've thought about that they wanted to trademark it Doesn't mean it's even happening this year. Like if they're rebuilding from the ground up It could be a while it might not be this year. It could be a couple years because the that's actually something I want to touch on Yeah, um, no just it like Because we're talking about something that I think you and I are sort of on the same page Where we kind of think this person is likely has legitimate sources, right? He sort of says something is happening That doesn't mean it's going to happen like immediately like take for example when agianuma t skyward sword hd That was years ago. Yeah, we only got an official announcement this year So I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when it comes to like Potentially getting legitimate information before it's actually announced We don't know the timeline of that at all. No, it could be two to three four years For example, a minecraft steve was in discussion since 2014 for smash brothers So, you know it Even if it makes you it's gotta you gotta be patient now I think what happens is we got we got that mario 35th anniversary and they just piled a bunch of games So people think it's happening again with zelda So anytime you hear something zelda you're like, oh 35th anniversary There's gonna be stuff happening beyond the 35th anniversary Like nintendo is not just planning every zelda thing they have possibly under the roof to happen now Like they're gonna have a new game next year because they've had a zelda something a remake a port A new something it's happened every single year for almost a decade straight at nintendo Like I don't know you remember noticed But that's what's been happening was zelda every year something new or a re-release or a remake or spin-off Happens every year for some perspective. Um, do you remember before age of calamity was announced The speculation amongst a lot of circles was that the um cadence of high rule physical release with the dlc People were thinking that that was going to be like the zelda release for the year Which never sat well with me that they would have it was just it was just Re-release of the game already on the platform. Yeah, and kid. It's a high level hold the game already for a year correct Um, like they came out with links awakening in 2019 right like that was the same year But so what they what they do they gave us age of calamity like so It's kind of age of calamity's lid was kept under. I don't know how they did that third-party company Nobody knows that game's coming The all I knew is that nintendo was gonna have like one big holiday game Oh, they had I didn't know what it was. Yeah, nobody had to have to be something. Um, and that that was it So it's because some people are like, oh, maybe it won't be that maybe they'll just like Maybe it's just 3d all-stars and they're gonna like bundle it or something for the holidays It's like they could but that just didn't it was it's the same thing Like people are arguing with me 3d all-stars, but from what we knew of 3d all-stars that just didn't fit the bill for a holiday game They fit like that's going to be a big holiday like okay pokemon remakes I can understand those being the big highlight because pokemon is just another level But but they had the dlc come For this year, but even when we've had pokemon remakes like that's usually not the only big title that comes out for the holiday It's outsourced. It's cheeky. I don't see brilliant diamond shutting pearl being the big holiday game Well, it's gonna sell. Yeah, it's gonna sell well, but they need more than that as a point Well, as I said, even when pokemon games come that's never the only holiday game nintendo has it's kind of weird It's a pokemon basically operates outside of nintendo And they don't care if they release pokemon and a big mario game together in the same month They don't care it always sells in it pokemon has never hurt the sales of other nintendo games And other nintendo games have never hurt the sales of pokemon. I don't know a great example But they don't 2018 No, no. Yeah, like in 2018 we got pokemon. Let's go Pikachu and Eevee in November those games went to sell 10 plus million, right? And then smash ultimate came out weeks later In december and is 20 plus million as well. It's a mistake to re-smash ultimate after a mistake, huh? Best selling fighting game of all time 20 plus million. I'm pretty sure uh, They do what they were doing. They were just trying to give a smidge of breathing room But not like they're basically saying look they wanted to give people another paycheck cycle. All right So they actually buy smash. Yeah um Anyway, he didn't 2017 had um in 2017 uh on 3ds sun and moon came out in november But odyssey came out october and then zeon blade 2 came out december like so now they'll pack it that Yeah, um, that's the time to pack it. That is the time to pack Yeah, especially if you do get a switch revision this year What if we get a switch revision for the holiday like they're gonna want to support that with hot with software What's interesting about nintendo with switch? They've actually been spreading their software out throughout the year improving it can sell at any time And I like that. Yeah as a gamer. I like that.  Are we getting I I wanted to ask you that so Because I think we're in the same it was same track here because like legends arches to me reads March 2022 they say early 2022, right? So that's the time we've seen other polka mon games come out too early in the year If it's not if it's not november, right like that. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, and then it's platoon 3 Wasn't that when black and white 2 came out? I remember that was like a big deal because they were they just launched 3ds They just launched 3ds and then they launched ds polka mon games at like the like around the same time Because I think they were still trying to figure out global release dates like they're it's around the time They were kind of getting on on on pace for that Black and white was september apparently the black and white you Oh black and white with two. Oh, okay. Yeah, um june That was a really? Yeah, and that is that weird too. It was a june release while 3ds was out But it was a ds game. I get 3ds is back. Yeah strange. Yeah strange. It was really weird But I guess the question I'm trying to throw at you here Right is that if platoon 3 is actually going to have a tournament this summer They announced it early this year It looks very far along So it's suggestive that the game probably will be coming out the first half of 2022 maybe early And then we have legends arc is potentially being positioned as like a march game Where does that position breath of the wild too where a lot of people been saying? Oh, this is the march march game I've been on the side of I think it's coming out for this holiday But I'm just kind of curious what you think I've always said it's coming out this holiday people always be like, no, it's not we would have heard more about it I'm like, would we have really heard more about it? Think about would they have schedule scours for this summer if that was the case like think about think about breath of the wild, right? They didn't talk about it for basically two years Because it ended up being delayed this and that go with the switch whatever like we heard like little tidbits But we weren't really seeing the game E3 2016 comes around and I'm telling you If switch would have came out that holiday breath of the wild would have still came out on switch that holiday And it would have been the same run-up they could do this year from E3 to holiday Yeah, the only reason E3 to march is because switch wasn't out yet. Yeah, right I think um, I'm trying to remember like there was I'm forget who was the time was a kimmy shima um That they were they were asked Yep, they were asking about why the switch didn't come up for the haul and they and they said they they wanted to repair Software at the time. Yeah, but I think the thing was confident switch was going to sell So they wanted to make sure they had like nine months of just Their best yet they wanted to prepare, but I think the thing where people will get kind of confused It's not so much that breath of the wild wasn't ready It's that they wanted to make the switch vert make sure the switch version of breath of the wild was ready Like if they were just going to do with you, it would have been out holiday 2016 It's when when so people I don't know if they'd remember this Or even know when breath of the wild launched on switch and we at the same time, of course do a release The Wii U version ran better Mm-hmm. It just factually ran better Well, you go to And you're getting 12 fps. You're getting lock 30 on Wii U.  Oh, it was designed for the Wii U. Yeah And that and that was kind of they patched it over time and I think performance is pretty close now, but Um It's still one of those things that I'm not even sure that breath of the wild is really why the system was delayed I say this because I feel like Um, at least I this has never been proven to be true. This is just my speculation. Sure Mario Odyssey was ready day one And they saved it for holiday It was done by the beginning of the year if I remember with them reporting I'm pretty sure I'm gonna launch it on if they wanted they could have launched it holiday with maybe but but There's also a few things you have to consider one Switch might not have had enough units done in manufacturing. You have to even launch for holiday So because you gotta remember they cut they cut Wii U short that might not have been the plan literally until 2016 they might not have planned to stop making Wii U until then so like They might not have thought they needed switch for that holiday So they might not have ramped up production in time to get it out. That's one thing Another thing is that I also think if you look at the games that released it from zelda to Mario, you know the spittoons and and xeno blades and all that You know my perfect example xeno by chronicles 2 did not seem finished when it came out Oh And that's the kind of game and maybe even splatoon 2 that was kind of like a you know what We need to make sure if we're going to launch with zelda holiday it With mario We need the solid lineup in between or people are not going to care about switching between And I was wondering if those are the games that maybe like we were not done We need to push them. We need to delay give them a few more months Now great. This is year one. I I think nintendo now wouldn't release zeno by chronicles 3 as an example in the state that 2 was in Um, I think that was just more of a they weren't sure that switch They thought they needed to pay everything out. They went all out. Yeah, that was the best year ever We got out and hope people care and they did and zelda by chronicles 2 did end up selling well They obviously passed it all that jazz and the torna dlc fantastic. That's like what the original game should have been Yeah, I got excited for zeno blade 3 whenever that which is actually another thing Right because we're talking about what games could happen right another internal team monolith sauce They zeno blade 2 was 2017. They had definitive edition, but that was just a remaster and they have several studios They're gonna have something to do one interesting thing Um, obviously, you know, so he talked about this between three tournament for those who didn't see the The video on it or the news on it basically uh salmon center has said he's not this isn't locked in Because of covet. Uh, he said there this is what nintendo is trying to do But obviously covet really complicates things with any sort of tournament Um, they have done tournaments during covet, but those were like public Those weren't like a big e3 event Basically what what he said is there's going to be a smash ultimate tournament or they want to do a smash ultimate tournament Don't really know what that entails. Don't really know if it's just like a pre planned pre recorded Thing they've done behind the scenes and then they just present it to us Um, you know because they they smash ultimate does play online and for splatoon 3 people like how could they do splatoon 3? It's just supposed to be nintendo tree house apparently Um, at least that's what he's hinting at. He's not sure but he's like he basically said As for people doubting splatoon 3 it could just be tree house playing it Which I mean, yeah now people might not know this But like it wouldn't be odd for them to bring in people playing splatoon 3 Like professionals platoon 2 players Before platoon 3 comes out. They did that with splatoon 2 They brought in professionals platoon players before splatoon 2 came out to advertise the game and do like a little Gameplay showcase a game they've never played. It's really not that hard. The issue is covet though. It's covet That's why I think tree house they could pull it off a tree house If they're if they have the employees vaccinated and they're willing to be in the same building because they're going to want to showcase it In the best possible light. They're not going to want to do online with a game that's still in development So if they could do in person and have you know, say eight people from tree house together Which I think if nintendo's doing e3 and they are doing tree house I know some people have the thought process that Everything nintendo does might be pre recorded right the tree house section could be pre recorded I'm actually starting to think that I don't know that the tree house section is going to be pre-recorded I think they're going to keep the spirit of tree house live going and it's actually going to be this live thing They're doing at nintendo nintendo side quarters I'm down Like I yes, they're they're they're absolutely their showcase are direct their digital that that's going to be pre-recorded That's been pre-recorded for years But I think they might keep that tree house live that they'll be pre-recorded segments in the tree house Like developer interviews I have a I have a suspicion a lot of that might be it pre-recorded But when they're I think they're going to do live gameplay demos just like they do at e3 So I I think that they're going to keep that spirit alive because there's something nice about that because they always respond Once in a while to the chat to let you kind of know. Hey, look, we do have somebody behind the scenes paying attention to what people are Saying how they're reacting Proof we are live Proof that we that we are real and not robots and that we care well care about the audience who really know so much They really care, but they have to act like they care anyways So yeah, those are two things he said That we might get for e3 along with he said obviously the presentation in tree house live He said he basically said the tree house live or nintendo tree house in general I guess he didn't say tree house live But he said tree house events and a digital direct presentation Will happen like those those are happening But the tournaments are kind of a hey You know, nintendo's talking don't know 100% sure if it's locked in but we'll find out for sure He says may 6th. So again happened may 9th in 2019 So it's not up, you know The big thing is he was pretty definitive about finding out on may 6th So it's like, oh if it's up, it's on may 7th Is he suddenly debunked even if he has the tournaments right people are always going to find a reason to doubt these people Right nintendo like the foot that he put may 6th out there means nintendo could just fuck with you guys and do it on may 5th Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah Now there is some thought because sam has under has been right on a lot of things that one if he's like one of those intentional leakers Like if companies are putting them out there to try to build hype. Yeah Um, but I also think if he was an intentional leaker, this is just my humble opinion I think intentional leakers or things that nintendo floats out there intentionally But any company floats so they're potentially behind the scenes to just gauge consumer interest or whatever they're doing Um, I often feel like if that was the case bigger outlets would be talking about it Nobody's talking about samus hunter If you go and look like there's I've seen Like my video hmk. I think you said you were working at one I don't know if you got that out today or not, but like it's hopping tomorrow Yeah, but like there hasn't been a lot of videos on this Mm-hmm. I like IGN is not picking it up. I won't see nintendo life talking about like nobody's talking about it So I feel like if this was intentionally being leaked There would be like a wink wink You know to like to get IGN to cover the leaker or you know, not just to get some Like I you know, I covered it because I found out about it from hmk Hmk covered it because he already was following samus hunter So like It's one of those situations where I don't know that this is intentionally being leaked out there I think this person based on their track record Pretty much haven't been incorrect about anything that we can verify at the moment anyways We now have this stuff. So if this stuff's incorrect, we can now verify it He can't he can go back and delete tweets, but we already have the information already made the videos So now we know, you know, if he's just deleting this stuff, that's not true or not couldn't track that before now we can The ace attorney thing um and the game trial thing at least that's like yeah, that that literally happened. Yeah, that happened Yeah By the way The thing I want to bring up that I didn't mention in the video because I might be making a video on this tomorrow But you know what I'll talk about it here on the podcast briefly He said a while ago. I think back in february I have to check the exact date of the week because he just brought it back up I didn't notice it somehow. I missed it when I was going through his twitter He talked about uh three games coming Later this year two of them being Kirby games Yeah, I knew Kirby game isn't surprising two of them. Okay. Well, I mean could be Kirby pinball or you know, whatever, but like There's a Kirby game every year.  We worked on behind the scenes out the door Okay, sure um Anyway, so some sort of Kirby game or two of them and then he said a third game which people Which reason you brought it back up is because now that basically what's happening is he's starting to get traction, right? Samus hunter's stuff is starting to get noticed now that people like me and hmk and others have covered it It's bringing it to light to other people who are going back now like andre You know looking through his stuff and realizing holy shit This guy's actually gotten quite a lot of stuff, right? Why did this fly under the radar for so long? So now other people are slowly having conversations about it So they're going through his tweets and they're being like hey Here's this thing he talked about that hasn't happened yet and people thought that meant there was a third Kirby game coming And so he brought it back up himself. He said I never said like read the tweet It's not a Kirby game that third game isn't isn't a Kirby game Just because I mentioned Kirby it for the illitude the third one's not yeah something new It's like okay, I mean probably something small to you know, just let me show you game thing No I mean like for example, how did like this like alien UFO thing a while ago? Like it's probably something like that. I bet Also screw breath of the wild too. I don't need that either what I need sports story Ah, nintendo I know you're working with this company. You paid for them to make golf story. Come on What's happening with sports story? Tap come on. Come on. I need my sequel. Anyways, nintendo is not the one making it, but I know they're publishing so That being said, uh, the other a couple other rumors that we had spinning around I think a lot of people have been presuming for a while that we're going to give breath a lot to you But kelios fr apparently somewhere. I couldn't really find it Um, it's hard to translate everything. Yeah, because you got it because it's french So you literally have to translate every tweet sometimes the translations aren't perfect I was able to confirm one thing that that did come from kelios fr And that was the uh, the the supposed smash character E3 thing that is hinted at by kelios fr and he kind of hints that it's going to be a zelda character reveal Which I mean, I guess that ties in the 35th anniversary. I don't know if people are super excited about zelda But is it a champion? Is it, you know, there's it's zelda. There's a few options There's options.  Yeah But I I'm I'm hoping for tingle hoping for tingle. I might have to make a whole pocket I should make a whole video why tingle should be in smash. Yes. There you go Tingles should be in smash. I agree with that. I gotta dress up like tingle or and everything No I could see i'm i'm the right age. He's in his mid 30s. I could see them releasing like a tingle Costume for like tune link. I get some red balloons. I got some helium in the garage. So I can have a floating red balloon It's perfect. There you go. There's your holiday. I gotta talk about how you're Yeah, it's happening. I'm there's a halloween costume. There's my halloween That's people throw it for e3. Yeah, right the whole time tingle is that tingle is actually Make sure to walk around saying you're waiting for your fairy and your your dad disowned you because of it Okay, so um So anyways, so I was able to confirm the calories of our did say that so Again, we talked about how that the spot right the track wrote with it with this versus not 100% So, you know take it with a grain of salt, but hey, you know, we should always take remembers with the grain of salt So they're announced Yeah, um, and then my perspective like calis is pretty reliable though. Um, I think there's a language barrier I think what happens is that they get information and then They might make assumptions on that information or their assumptions Um, so that's that's what I think where the issue kind of lies like I remember with the uh, the partner mini directs Like they said it was a direct so people got super excited And they were 100% right about the timing and the day and all of that. It was like a weird sunday night It was true. It just wasn't quite what we expected. Is it the partner showcases they did or whatever? Yeah. Yeah It was really weird too. Cause like the first one they called it a direct and it's like This is not a direct Like do not take the direct name With what is basically indy world for third party games. No, no, no, no Anyways, uh, so apparently calios afar somewhere said the breath of the loud two is going to have a major presence at either 2021 I need to find that that's probably I haven't been able to find it I think regardless. It's a pretty safe bet would not surprise me one bit I mean, here's the thing Setting the speculation and rumors aside is you know, literally said we're hearing about the game later this year Yeah, yeah, what better timing why wouldn't you do it at e3 if you do it? If you do it towards the end of the year, I can understand as well Like the game awards could be another nice place to show something Because that happens after all the big games come out tease people for I bet we see metroid then actually Another three. Yeah, maybe they unveiled it at the game awards Um, yeah, so I don't know that that's obviously just speculation out there But um, yeah, that's a lot to have in our presence zealous 35th anniversary makes a lot of sense I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously they've done like a breath of the wild themed E3 before seemed to go over pretty well for nintendo. So one game making this like one of the big games What one game? I know isn't that crazy. Yeah, we thought a platform holder. That's by the way At the time Stop making the platform that the game they're showing off is being played on at e3 who knew That one game could win e3 for a platform holder and that's all they had to show That's all they talked about a failing platform I try also did talk about a few third party games And um, they went into some indie games and stuff but from nintendo. That was it They were just showing that off. They didn't really even talk about paper mario color rush It was just zelda. Like every day you turn on tree house five hours of zelda It was great watching them all die to step talus at the time Yep, a lot. Yeah a lot of deaths to step talus. Yeah, it was hilarious. Not me. Yeah, I beat them up Yeah That is the that I will say that is the one kind of thing I don't miss about e3 is the uh random people that aren't helpful with like filming A lot of them are great. Yeah I'm better than that. I don't I'm not gonna touch your stuff. We were there as media. Okay and back then I I worked at zelda informer and Which is a traditional news website So we didn't have like camera equipment, right? We weren't really doing much video content So we obviously this is the big zelda game. We're actually at e3. We have zelda informer shirts on We have media badges. Yes, right? Yeah, and we're like, hey, we don't have camera equipment. We're just using our phones. Okay Which felt weird, but that's what we had. Okay And so I looked to the the the Nintendo rep for the demo because we had our I mean, we were playing the demo We played it nine times ten times. That's all we did. You're just getting back in line.  Oh, yeah That was that was a really fun media session I got a contact at goal and Harris that um Didn't really matter because he ended up not working at goal. Harris like six months later But the thing was we asked we asked one of their Their booth babes. Let's just call it a booth babe. That's what it was There are people they hired that are pretty and specifically just there to show off the demo They don't really work for Nintendo. They're just hired for the event They're showed enough and they showed what to tell people to do and It was a lady and I said, hey Will you record my entire play session of this demo? I know you got to have my shoulder in it I've already thought the reps like, you know, whatever. So have me in it and show the show the gameplay hold my phone Can you record the entire demo? I don't really need you to explain the game to me And she's like, I don't think I can do that and I'm like I asked other people they said you can And she's like and so then she goes and grabs someone who actually worked at Nintendo Like some guy that was just walking around says hey, can I do that? He's like if that's what he wants That's what you do. Yeah, right make sure her shoulder's in it. Yeah, because they got to show that someone's actually playing it and it's like Okay, so she picks it up and she records and I Am going I go to this area where step talus is that and she's like don't go there She's holding the phone and like don't go there.  I'm like I got this I literally looked at her and pointed at my shirt. I'm like, do you not like literally I am the Zelda guy What you don't tell me not to go. So that's just going to make me want to go. So what? Yeah, right? That's just like no, no one can beat this. Don't go there.  Oh, yeah Like Luigi's match in three. They said hey, that's because we're awesome. Yeah, Luigi's match in three people like, hey, you know Here's a couple tips, but we're not going to really tell you anything I figured it out and there were other people that were cooler Like there were some demos where they got where when it was clearly like with like our fourth time through playing And the one guy's like you played this demo already having Hey, by the way hit this button and shield surf because yeah, didn't know how to shield serve at the time We're like hell. Yeah, this is awesome. Right. So like it's like, okay So now the guy's giving us pro tips So I beat step talus literally day one and like my first play session And we don't have the recording Meanwhile, Nintendo Treehouse is busy just wiping non-stop to this thing over and over again Nobody on the show floor is able to beat it. Everyone's dying. We already have a kill We want to be the first ones on the internet to get it up and nope. No, no, no And of course I couldn't get them to hold it on other times Eventually, Eric, I will go back and forth and like, no, you can't do that Because then one of you can't play the demo. We're like, well, that's stupid Um, yeah, because now with the leeches mansion the last time they allowed us We're in there like cake and one of us hold the in film and then the other one just play the next time They're like, yeah, go for it. They didn't they didn't care But and I understand it's the only game they have and the devils are really long Yeah, so like I get it but it was also okay, whatever like the same thing with links awakening Actually, I think when links awakened they won't let us switch back before through his plan That they ushered us through because they did but which was the line was roll some really long. Yeah But here the thing was is What was so I got the kill and it's still a really it's still a top view video Like we got it when we went up to the media Area, whatever we got the kill and I got the video up And it's fine.  That should have been me. I had the world's first kill Yeah Well I understand like why would you get so mad because you succeeded She said funny Yeah, I know she was pissed when I when she saw that I was going to take it out. She's like I'm like, why what are you angry about wasn't she just like she's When she was telling you to not go over there. She set your phone down to tell you to not go over there Yeah, and that's what that's what I know. Yeah, and I said please record keep recorders like no, you didn't listen to me And I said I'm just sitting there.  Maybe I don't want it on footage. I have no idea But maybe I do maybe this is a really cool.  Well, that's because that was hilarious So remember the original goal was to beat all the shrines in one go Yeah Be one of the few people that could pull it off because I think the guy said Only like one person who's walked through how much time would you have? What it's like 15 minutes. It's like 15 minutes for that demo for that part of the demo So like it's really tight to try to beat all the shrines and I'd already beaten them all individually And I remember I was trying to Trying to get to the I decided to go to the one in the snow area first The problem is There's two, you know, there's like two peaks in the snow area I went to the wrong peak because I mean, I yeah, I played the demo a bunch But I only beat that shrine one time So like I wasn't like I was an expert in the snow area and no, I did not have any Food or do any cooking Because I realized that I think I could get there in like one or two deaths Which would actually because death just brings you back just a little bit And it would save me time versus going and picking peppers and and trying to cook and all that Okay, so whatever I get I get that really it's the wrong peak I'm not going to be able to do it now. You can't make a mistake if you're going to get to all four So I'm like, well now I'm going to find how many different ways can I kill Link?  I'm like, yeah This is like my tenth time playing the demo. Yeah, I'm serious Like I've already experienced everything. I was just trying to get what what I thought would be a really cool video together But you know, it is what it is. I failed it happens That's what I get. I should have made notes Have you ever got a chance to play the In master mode and then try and take out that line all that they put in there. Oh, yeah Isn't that a nice little touch in the opening area? Imagine if they had that in it for the initial demo I finally be Bad admittance because I hear I'm talking about oh, yeah prosel the player. I haven't been a Lionel until this year Oh, hey, I did it on live stream Nice. I did it with only four hearts. I think and like really shitty gear, but I did it I finally know how to do it. I finally know how to do it. So now like I'm like god if I had better gear I'd just wreck this thing. Yeah, but it's like even like the gold ones. I'm like, yeah I've seen the gold ones. I've seen that I could probably wreck those two now that I know what I'm doing It's it's all right. I mean in my current gear level because I I I don't know why I did this. Maybe my kids.  So it's like I'm all over again and like I was gonna 100 master mode and I'm like, yeah I'm am I really gonna collect all the corex seeds? Oh god I can't even do that in normal in a normal mode. That's just to 900. Just too much Yeah, so I'm like, yeah, I'm I it's my favorite game of all time and yet I have a hundred percent. I don't know um, so Sorry to tell that aside Um, we would title obviously all this time about e3 obviously reminiscing a bit on some old stuff I want to kind of wrap up the podcast by talking about our plans for e3 Uh, because they're starting to take shape But this is the earliest right plans for e3 have really taken shape besides hey, that's going we're going We're going the flights and hotel plan. That's basically that's our plans is a flight hotel You know worry about the rest and most of that has been pretty much the same The last couple of years before that so it was we just go back to the same hotel We'd get a rental car. Yeah, well the hotels in the whole that one hotel one has has nice internet Yes, nice wired internet and the pool is phenomenal and the pool is great And it's in a good location where you're not crowded like the like the first year we went Yeah, 2016 we were in hollywood. We were a holiday holiday and I don't know if it was express or whatever Which is down in hollywood. Yeah, and hey one it was really hard to get into the parking lot Okay, but I mean that's a great hotel them the restaurant the hotel was great and the restaurant had like the best breakfast Oh, yeah, but Again, it was and I think it was a e3 approved one so you could technically take a shuttle But then you're stuck by going on what times the shuttles are going and lines at e3 are huge So we had a rental car. So we just left early before the shuttles Um Like we left way early and we still wouldn't be first in line so um, but like that that was Um, but the reason we went back to I think it's Cambridge or cambria one of the two Yes, I'm like that Uh, that we go to because it's a nice location plus it's near a fat tomato pizza, which helps. Oh, yeah It's like literally down the street Yeah, yeah, it is and it's not even that bit. I think it's a busy street but compared to hollywood No, yeah, no, no, not at all. Yeah. Um, anyway, so Uh, our plan is for e3 this year Um, obviously we can't go because there is nothing to go to I mean nintendo could invite us to their headquarters. That'd be awesome. You could change my entire plans nintendo. Let's go Um, but that's not gonna happen. So we're not a big enough deal. All right.  That's if we hit 70,000 subscribers this year. I will be surprised. Um I say that as what I gained 30,000 last year. I don't think that's happening again. That was like a one-off year Uh, maybe again, thank you. Thank you 3d all stars. You're why I gained so many subscribers last year. Yeah I mean with breath for the wild too like There are games we could see like we don't know what those games are going to be and all of those games are like Opportunities to just establish a whole other audience, you know, yeah, plus all the videos already get good views But I came from a certain background. So that was a surprise Uh, so I actually want to ask you a question. Um before we close out, right? It's because we were talking about like the 2016 demo, right? Yep, so I've been thinking right if breath for the wild too is gonna be The star of the show, right? I think we all think that no like What sort of demo are they're gonna put together like it's gonna have to feel different Is it gonna be the beginning of the game again? Like it's kind of hard for me to sort of wrap my head around what Okay, so There's not going to be a playable demo for fans Um, I think that's a given and if you remember what they did in treehouse They spent a lot of time playing the demo that they had on the show floor But then in the later days they started going to other areas Um, so I don't know that they're really going to have like a demo area I think it's just going to be this is a section of the game we're willing to show off and this is what we're going to play And it's going to be something towards the beginning. I'm sure. Oh, yeah I don't think they're going to show anything mid mid or late game. They didn't do that last time. Why would they do that this time? Um, so yeah, I guess my assumption under under like if that that trailer was under hyrule castle Now surprised that they show us more of that Um, that surprised that they show us a little bit of an overworld of an area We've already been to in the original breath of the wild but show us some differences to kind of get you excited for How they're changing the landscape, you know, maybe show off, you know Like I'm assuming that glowing arm thing is now replacing chica slate and going to be some whole different ability sets So yeah, we're going to process some of that So like I think we're going to see basically a lot of the basics and some of the things that make this different and more exciting And potentially this is a probably more of a hope If they're going to have more traditional dungeons in here, I could see them showing off the first dungeon right That would be exciting to get you hyped being like hey, by the way, this is like one of 11 dungeons Have fun. Yeah, and here's the interesting thing about like the the whole concept of them going back to original dungeons If it's an original dungeon, it's not it's still not going to be like previous dungeons because It's within the world the breath of the wild. So what does that mean? It means you can potentially access it for more than one point like imagine if The forest temple from our time was like redone in breath of the wild You wouldn't just have to hookshot to that tree to get in right like or the The pillars so all of a sudden There's a whole bunch of yeah, but there's a whole bunch of possibilities You know if if they were to kind of go back to that style They would have to reconsider how they would do it obviously, but there's just so much potential there for sure Um, I guess for me like when I when I phrase that question I was just kind of thinking will there be like a great plateau equivalent for the beginning of the game um Maybe maybe not because they're probably they may assume there's a lot of players that are sort of coming from breath of the wild but They always okay, so the beginning if you think about the beginning of every Zelda game It's always like a little slower paced a little introductory even in sequels um You even I hope they don't make it Like it's confusing, but also it's It kind of slowly pushes you and nudges you in the right path Like even if you die the game's not over right you get to you get to figure out what the heck you did wrong um So, uh, I think there's still going to be some sort of tutorial Whether they lock you to that area right away and don't let you leave until you complete something that I don't know Um, they could though. All I know is whatever happened link starting the game of sleep Oh, you think so. I think I think he's starting the game of sleep Because I got an idea for you. I mean he he was obviously he was asleep for obvious reasons in breath of the wild Um, scobbered sword. He's asleep. Link's awakening. He's asleep Um, he's asleep like My majority of us may ask he was not asleep technically or twilight princess or twilight princess well I don't he was he was with his room He was in his house, but I'm not sure I thought he was with the father figure by the pond Try or am I am I misremembering? I think you're misremembering the guy from from board on village up in his tree house like he did in Um, because I I think it started the tree house and the kids yelling at you Um outside of it. Huh, and I'm not sure the pond is the pond is the epona stuff Maybe I just remember there being like a monologue scene. There is a cutscene where you're talking to that one guy You're right. Yeah, I don't know. That's the very beginning. It's in either way though You're right that most of them there is definitely like a motif of waking up from sleeping Like a running journey at this point. Yeah, so that's possible So let me let me I have a kind of an idea for you actually like I can kind of envision Potentially the beginning of the game basically being what the what the initial trailer is Basically, you're on this mission to sort of quest through this cavern, right? Like that is the beginning of the game So maybe perhaps starts off more linear, right? But this linear path allows you to sort of learn a little bit more about what's going on Maybe they play around with some co-op zelda Elements for example or some sort of companion.  That's what happens And we see that like right at the end of the I guess some demo or prologue to the game Or maybe it's like link's awakening and it's all just a dream. Yeah spoilers wait Sorry, did I spoil that for people wait breath of the wild one is all a dream and he wakes up in breath of the wild Two is just Yeah, I mean they did go to age of calamity and at time travel and just make people wonder what the hell is happening I think I'm I see some people argue that like oh Um age of calamity is no longer canon because of this time travel aspect The original ending that leads to breath of the wild is in age of calamity folks It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't impact breath of the wild in any way Yeah, like the the original ending that leads to breath of the wild technically happens in age of calamity There's just now an alternative ending that could potentially lead to something else and nintendo wrote the story So maybe nintendo wanted an alternative ending That potentially Gets referenced in the new game or leads to an alternative timeline. So like they're not stuck on the breath of the wild path forever I have no idea. I'm just being I've tried worst heroes is canon age of calamity can be canon Oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for like the main zelda games doesn't impact those stories So like what does it really matter if it's canon or not? But like it is part of the ending that led to breath of the wild So it's not like contradicting breath of the wild Yeah, just throwing that out. Yeah, it's just it's just a separate reality. Yeah Anyways, and we're talking about a series of split timelines and time travel and multiple wars. There was already precedence I think it makes sense. Yeah as much sense as time travel can make so That's a whole another debate. Yeah, um, here's another thing We have e3 coming up and we have a lot of plans in store Uh one obviously folks the the obvious is obvious We're live stream reacting to everything all four days. We've been doing it since basically the beginning of nintendo prime We don't just cover nintendo. We'll go for microsoft. We'll go to square capcom Everyone who's who's at the event that does anything basically as long as the esa or nintendo treehouse or something is streaming We are there reacting to it. Okay But we also know from our experience and this is a different year, so i'm not exactly sure How it's going to go there are kind of lulls at times. We're like Okay, this is like the third time treehouse is playing this game and there doesn't seem to be new information We'll still have that game playing for you on screen. We're not going to close the stream But we might have additional things going on uh to further entertain you and give you reasons to stick with us and not just Leave some of those things are really really exciting because this year I'm happy to announce that we have a shitload of giveaways going on So let's just start there We have over a thousand dollars Of shit being given away and I mean like good stuff. We're talking pro controllers We're talking new copies of games like mario golf super rush skyward sword We're talking about the skyward sword joycon. You guys really want those right? We're gonna give away a pair during e3. You're not to wait. It's not something that you You know sign up for and wait weeks or months to find out who wins you will find out live on stream Who's winning? Oh and by the way, that's not the only way we're handling giveaways Like we'll have our giveaways where you go and you follow on twitter You do all these things and then we boom pop a button and it spits out a name and that's who wins And we'll email you and watch you get excited on stream. Hopefully if we catch you I don't know maybe we have thousands of people watching on stream So maybe it'd be really hard to catch it. Maybe we got to put the chat in slow mode I have no idea but what I do know is We aren't just doing that We are actually going to allow you guys to win prizes So it's like another way of doing a giveaway But what's going to happen is is there's going to be times throughout e3 on all four days when we're going to do Basically a random selector. We're going to say I'm going to use a bot for this We're going to put a phrase in the chat and you type in that phrase if you'd like to participate We're going to let you know what you're participating in ahead of time And that's going to be going one-on-one in a game against either Eric or myself on stream If you beat us one-on-one whoever gets randomly chosen Make sure don't like sign up for it If you don't have the game you don't have the ability to play us that we're not paying for your instance Which I'm like, oh, we're not going to buy you a switch just so you can play against us That's not how it works You have to already have the game So make sure when you do it and we'll know it at the time make sure that when you sign up for this You have the game you have the ability to play us whether it's mario cards between smash whatever game Well, I'll go through the it'll probably something on my switch because I gotta have this preset up ahead of time So I'll go through it and make sure that's all good to go And what games that we can do with that obviously smash is the obvious one that'll always be Though there will be some smash fighting happening for sure, which means I got a practice I don't want to make it too easy on you guys. I'm not very good. I got a good at all So but here's what's gonna happen. It's another way we're doing to give away where basically It gives you a chance to win something So if you beat me or if you beat eric you win the prize if you don't It's kind of like when mr. B says like hey If you catch this ball you get 17 000 dollars if you don't you get nothing and then you don't catch it He literally means you get nothing So it's going to be kind of like that.  I want you to win Like I want you to win.   I gotta win. I gotta beat somebody besides eric. Yeah, right I gotta beat somebody and eric and I might have random Matches against each other depending on how e3 is going and what's and what's circulating what's happening There's potential that eric and I will add some additional entertainment play You can play against each other on stream have a little punishments for each other You know maybe some hot peppers or you know We've done pie in the faces and eggs on the head and we've done something so that could be something as well We've done a cold jogger on the block. Yeah, well I've done a cold jogger on the block. Yeah, we're not gonna do anything. We've done drinking ocean water Yes, yes, we have. No, what do you mean we have wait? I have We've also done liquid death, which um, yeah, I lost that one. Yes, you did So gosh knows if there's any sort of punishment that's like for me. It's tequila for eric It's tequila. I don't know pretty much anything pretty much anything I don't even know Maybe maybe I get one of those ghost pepper chips in did the did the uh Pickle juice and mayonnaise that one was that one wasn't as bad. No, it wasn't bad, but it was one that sounded gross Yeah, but then it was like, okay, we've had worse. Yeah, this isn't the worst tasting thing ever. Have you tried alcohol? But yeah, so basically we're we're basically having our own event While also covering e3 So we'll be streaming as long as e3 is streaming. There will be videos happening after effect We will have impressions and reactions and emergency discussions and stuff like that We're also going to be having guests. So As the devil andre restart is going to actually be part of it time to time He's going to do what's obviously his own kind of we're very respectful that all content creators don't grow Their own live reactions their own pre shows post shows everything that they hit they're doing We're not we're not trying to rain on their parade. Although.  We're not giving away something during the live reaction segments It'll happen the pre shows the post shows the between stuff But like the microsoft thing nintendo We're not going to give away something during those now You might be able to sign up for a giveaway during it Like we might be like in the pre show be like, hey, here's a link to go sign up for this giveaway winner chosen after The meat after this show is over, you know in the post show We'll choose that could be the case But you you literally could sign you literally could just sign up for that and go watch somebody else and then come back You know, so uh, you will have to be present the win. That is something I am requiring That that you must be present the win.  Um, so while we have dedicated a thousand dollar budget To various things like pro controllers and and uh e-shop gift cards And we're not talking like the five dollar ones like I typically do on my own. I mean, we're talking I think right now we have five twenty dollar ones two fifties and one one hundred Well, 99 dollars because that's the way it is on switches not actually a clean 100 for some odd reason So so those are like some of the prizes that you'll probably win in facing one-on-one battles with eric and I as I said pro controllers copies of games nintendo switches and actually We have a specific budget set aside Just in case a special edition switch or switch pro is announced During e3 we will give away one Literally during e3 a switch pro is announced. We will have a giveaway for a switch pro Or for a themed console. So if they do like a zelda theme console, we will give away that zelda theme console Uh, so and I don't care if it ends up like I hate saying this if we add to pay scalper prices because we can't So I'll get the pre-order in We'll pay scalper prices doesn't matter you're getting the console. It's happening. So Uh, but by the way, I'm gonna want it. So, you know, we're gonna get some legit pre-orders in because uh I might have to put it put together a crack team behind the scenes. Hey just in case go get the pre-orders Yeah, yulia's gonna have to jump in yulia yulia get here. Here's my other laptop my other four Yeah, get the pre-orders now because I'm too busy doing the show to do it. Yeah, right? Um Worst-case scenario you don't have to sell your 3d all-stars copy and you can make up money right there. Yeah, that that that that is Yeah No, thanks.  I mean, I want to keep mine. I don't have a physical copy of it. Anyways, I only have a Okay But I do have some physical copies of games that could sell I think I might have a physical copy as zeno blade hanging around that's worth a lot right now Um, the original one does even we do not not not not the we won. Okay I don't think I have a no, I don't have a copy of the we won. I was unable to get one successfully back in the day sad um But yeah, I sold mine foolishly for I mean if I had kept that what was it for a slice of pizza be honest You don't have to tell me was it a was it like a bill? Okay, okay We want to something though something something along those lines. I was that was like what like my early 20s I was gonna say money to drink 19 20 or something like that. I'm gonna party with my friends I need some money to sell my games quick from the cashmere. I've been there. I've been there Something like that back then probably something like that. Yeah, I've sold little I've literally sold like entire consoles. So I had money to go party. I've been there Yeah, and just I thought I was like regret the value Instant regret the next day. It's like no, I had a lot of fun But like really I probably should have just like not gone or borrowed money instead. I this is just yeah Anyways mistakes you guys make when you're younger sometimes So yeah, our e3 is gonna be awesome. We have a massive sho