Welcome to church of the chair where we celebrate all the things we do while seated I'm your host E here with my co-host Chad Lusky and we were working on a collaborative novel called Planet caravan At least that's what we're calling it right now We are over 20,000 words into it I we got to be at this point because Chad's been writing all weekend here and there so I have no idea We didn't even talk about this before we went live. I have no idea what I'm doing today I guess I'm gonna try and finish up the scene that I was doing the last time But also I don't want to get too far ahead of Chad or else we're gonna have several of these were you know He's just over here playing catch-up and yeah, I don't want that and I'm not setting up my light today So y'all just gonna have to deal with shadowy My my rig is all over the place and I got to figure out some kind of way to organize it now that I know how to Now that I have my streaming set up set up properly Let's see here. What did what did reverse have to say? I feel you on Jerusalem's lot was a tad too long the atmosphere however was there I actually read Sam's lot after reading the first three or four stories of night shift as long as you didn't get to one for The road you won't have any spoilers for Sam's lot I had expected a way different resolution for father Callahan and in general had me left thinking for a long time well he Father Callahan stories not over so I squeeze Salem's lot and you might actually know all this morning Sam How you doing man?  Squeezed Salem's lot in between my first. Okay. All right. Good morning boggle morning everybody How's the how's the artwork and everything going Sam? And I ain't seen Sam and probably what's it been it's been over two years because I left Instagram two years ago Anyway, it's hope you're doing well You're doing fine, that's good So we're gonna start off this morning. I'm gonna share my screen Chad has Chad has written quite a bit Need to find my page Still trucking. I just finished a book cover for Western awesome Very very cool We are nearing the 22,000 word mark Look at that. We'll be at 24 easily by the end of the day At least with what I got to do Come on, come on I'm just glad we don't have to worry about this family anymore until like at the end But that'll be like the all the comeuppance and everything. Yeah so Hi, I'm gonna start here For those of you just joining us just to let you know We long periods of time we We're doing nothing, but working on the book so the point of these streams is for you guys to learn how our collaborative process works and Just to let you give you guys a space to work alongside us So if you're struggling with motivation or getting work done, whatever it might be That's what we're here for you can come work with us that kind of thing Where you got any questions just leave them down there in the chat and we'll get to them We'll answer damn near anything Yeah, we're gonna have to tweakers is used at least twice in this we got to change that because that's specifically for meth. I We could use fiends We've always just called people even before meth was popular anybody like tweaking or dude you a tweaker like Like just and somebody who's on a hard drug that that they're can't sit still that they're not something's not right Okay, all right, so when the reviews pop up with the I'm a I'm a point of me Say I was confused throughout because they kept calling them tweakers, but they were on cocaine. I Look at them.  Coke heads on silly. Yeah, I know I'm leaving junk doesn't apply either. I Don't know what to change it to anyways But fiends would be the coke fiend would be the only thing or fiends. That's okay. That's a good one. Yeah That's what we called him anyways Yeah, well, I did I do refer to and Rita is the biggest fiend of all. Yeah, I remember that one Yeah All right, I'll fix him you fix what? all the tweaking references because after Good after googling I see that consensus is yeah strictly mess, so I Would I wouldn't that's definitely that ain't important to me.  Yeah Anyways, but like like truly truly though, I'd let I let it go. I was like, I'm fine with it if you are This is bound to get some some Becky or something complain in my town We don't call them tweakers unless they're on that. I Don't I don't want to yeah, I don't want you to go through that Chad. I want to protect you from the voices Hey, I wanted I want to Change some words here this punctuated by the occasional scream of terrifying joy I'm gonna do punctuated by the occasional strike of electric joy What you think?  I just I don't the the Okay, I'll leave it. I Mean I like the term it just drops the whole the idea of fear Okay, never mind. You also put electric in the next one and I like that better Had I kept reading I wouldn't even had that. Yeah, that that was something else that came to mind. Yeah This is a the funny part about it is it just felt like there needed to be electric in there somewhere and You got it thinking about taking that they are my cocaine out And just leaving this is my drug I haven't got to that yet, but okay Yeah, I like I already like that better Like that. I'm gonna put this in bold because I'm not sure if I'm happy with it or not, but Something I feel there That's probably not the way I want to say it, but yeah $5 might as well be 50 actually I was thinking muffle pig muffle pigs brunt and a cow lows But I mean, it's just what semantics at that point. Yeah And cows what? low or a cow lows Lo w it's the same thing and it's just more I never heard of it Yeah, yeah low of a cow make a characteristic deep sound My only comp my only thing is People who don't know it reading that sent like having it pull them out and going Whoa, that's fine. You like reading it over Like I said at this point that was just semantics. It was just like a I don't know It felt better coming off the tongue kind of it. So it does it does it sounds better, but I Don't know how common it is I I Mean it's it's in a way in a manger Chad.  No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding But yeah, if you want to go back to move that's fine squatting low to the ground With the jeans pulled down Wrangles my eyes And refuse to move I will legit sing like whole paragraphs because if you can sing it Yeah, that's that's the kind of prose.  Hang on I hit control Z went too many times Where is it? All right, so here I turned to face her but after the you can turn around now But I do and the reason for that is he's turned. We've used turned like three times up to this point Is I used to barrette Barrette I actually have no idea. I have no I didn't know I don't think so There's a there's an it's B. A. R. R. Yeah, it's gonna eat it's gonna eat Barrette To ours to tease to ease but sleep Anyways No lights are going in the past tense. There was another one up here. I wasn't sure It was a took. Yeah, I took her word for it. I'll change it to take I wasn't I wasn't sure about that one I'm gonna go ahead and change in any ways. I was probably writing my cozy mystery. He slipped back in here Yeah, that damn past tense everybody use it everybody lazy homebody or at least used to not like present tense and Oh, yeah It's same with me.  How can how can this character be writing this stuff in the present? Not like he has a uh, oh you had a hard time looking past that. Yeah, exactly. And then I read gun love Uh, which is I think you'd fucking adore this by Jennifer Clement It's pretty much like south of here Um, but it's about a mother and a daughter living in a trailer park and there's an alligator farm next uh around them But yeah, fantastic book Hmm, I'm gonna mark that down man, but it's it's just slice of life stuff It's really good Very lean very short It's one it was one of the inspirations for south of here anyways I'm sure you'll catch it as soon as you start reading. I hate these ebay listings that say uh Dust jacket for hard covers may not be included like just a generalization Because then I'm I'm not buying that. You might have a dust jacket. Exactly. Yeah.  What'd you buy? Gun love Okay Just a used copy library copy off ebay cool I'm a cheapskate Oh, that's it. Ain't no shame here. We were just talking about that earlier I gotta save that money son Lord Jesus, I thought this said when she squirts. I'm like this changed into a whole different book real quick when she squints Uh, something wrong with my left eye It's got an aberration effect where It kind of does like a wave right through the middle. Um And I don't know what's wrong not even the dudes at the eye doctor to tell me Hmm So it's not a tumor. It's not anything pressing on the eyeball the pressure is fine.  It's like All the blue underlines Oh, I don't have those set up Yeah I got nothing like that on my screen.  I have a um In theater, we call this stage whispering Um, and it's you know whispering but loudly Uh, I don't know if you like the sound of whisper yells or if it's just something you settled on But we could do uh, she stage whispers Well, if um, in fact, but you said in theater Like like that's a term in theater Okay, my that my alien ain't unless there's a different term that's like kind of like Uh, like whisper yells people know you know what that Might not be a term, but they know what what it is. But so if you've got something that's like more universal Throw it in there and I don't know that she'd need to whisper. Anyway. I mean the place is loud Yeah, and if somebody says hey, it's not like Like anyone's gonna be alarmed by it Yeah, because she works there or maybe she's just whispering because they're doing something sneaky, you know Or whisper yelling I was gonna write that last night, but I think the nail polish stopped me, but They're not so close together that that it sounds weird or anything Well, I mean, hopefully people realize it's because she's eating the pink and blue cotton candies, but yeah But yeah, it's far enough. It's far enough apart. Oh, I know why next. Yeah, I see Yeah, that's why candy colored tongue that could work. Yeah, she wrote this time candy coated All right, either one works, but anyways damn near same cadence to candy colored candy coated Either one works Oh, no, if you like that or not the purple on her toes matching her lavender tongue Yeah, that beautiful snaggle tooth And think about next chapter I don't name them until like, yeah, I kind of glance through them and see what would be a good title Haha beat you to it that It's all right. I got you.  You beat me that time Okay, I got an idea We don't have to do this um I can't remember which books of mine that you've read but there is a I can list the ones that I haven't a pale white same deep water Uh out behind the barn None of your collections. I don't think I've ever read a Chad Lutzky short story. I might have but um Yeah, I think it's just those three a wormwood. I haven't read.  I I have read except for Did someone did pale white or did you publish that's that's crystal lake? Yeah, I thought so, okay, so I think and I There's no reason why I haven't read same deep water. That's uh, maybe because I'm waiting for Jax's saga to be done up behind the barn is uh independently published but Duncan Ralston Uh, let us slap his Shadow work publishing on the back of it Bloodletter my vampire sellout but Uh written under C. E. Let's give you I'm ready to but anyway, okay, so you've read the one the three that I'm gonna talk about in I'm not sure if you're gonna remember these in a foster homes and flies. There's a girl named sam uh, who is 16 going on 17 that meets up with denny Um, he helps her out of the situation where she's been hitchhiking in this older guy Uh, is trying to is trying to is being pervy Mm-hmm They meet outside of the store and then they spend the night together in a park just Uh talking and falling asleep together. It's very flotonic But it's also romantic um She Uh is carrying around uh, I believe it's a copy of the temple of gold by William Goldman As an example of a good coming of age book because she hates the catcher and the rye so Sam also makes an appearance in and then she takes off because she's going on this road trip and then and storing the sheets when um Emmett Uh I think it's after he jumps out of bed after Spoiler alert sleeping with the corpse not not sexually just lying there with there, but he wakes up with an erection shames himself Takes off and goes to the beach in the middle of the night um and Picks up a hitchhiker named sam She She mentions I think she mentions the book the temple of gold and bashes catcher in the rye And then in skull face boy when Levi is pissing behind the wicks and six sticks thing There's graffiti all over and one of the things says samus here um Just a generic enough name that I didn't care to catch it just a generic enough name so she makes these appearances and uh I don't know that it that it would fit I had to look last night to see if the ages matched up and stuff and I thought it would have been cool If this was kind of like sam's story it could even be a selling point, you know Like because I get asked about sam a lot Hey um, I'm fine with whatever in fact I brought up when uh when We were first talking about doing this. I was like if you wanted to bring in Like one of your characters like what I think what I used was if like jack's met James But it could be literally anybody So if you want to do that, I'm perfectly fine with that And by selling point, I don't mean like promote it as such. I mean like if someone asks I uh, you know on a podcast or whatever if you find want to find out A lot more about sam read the book that I wrote with edward loren and Yeah, the whole truth the whole truth is there and we could even mention like she says that she's going She tells she tells uh And this could be like after the fair I don't think that there's a timeline in A foster homes and flies.  I don't mention any of this kind of stuff. I don't mention I don't mention an era Just New Orleans, you know New Orleans in the summer. So um She could even You know in organically of course Mention that she something like I used to tell people that I you know, or no, that doesn't make sense I'm trying to think of the timeline like because She could foster homes and flies could take place um after this like After she leaves but then again, uh part of me a small part of me wanted to Kill her at the end of this book Yeah, no, I remember you mentioned you you know, not if not if she dies So so you're talking about making shenna sam Um and have this be the what origin story Is that what you're saying or or or or this is what happens after all the other ones Like she like she I'm down with it takes off.  So she's clearly still alive. So this takes place before that And she leaves the fair and goes on her road trip after that um It would have to be because she leaves when she's 13 here and I want to keep that Because I like that I love the idea of her being 13 And dating this dude that's like oh enough to be your dad Yeah, um, you know just shows how I don't know It just shows a lot about her and about her situation and what she's been through And I like the tension that she you know that that will be there between her and buzzard Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that I think I know issue whatsoever Now now when steven king does this type of thing or when other authors do this kind of thing is everything Is it is there room for Well, this doesn't fit this Like uh Like let's say there was a timeline on a fostering surprise. Let's say it was modern day and this is 1989 When king links all his stuff up is is the timeline cohesive or that's that's why uh, that's why all his fans say It's just another turn of the wheel Because he'll have characters that died. Um, perfect example, uh, Patrick hockstetter is a doctor in fire starter, but patrick hockstetter also dies in It so back in 1950s, but fire starter happens in the 80s and patrick hockstetter is a is a doctor also there's a um There's several there's several timeline issues, which one of the reasons why The dark tower ended up being what the dark tower is Um is because he wanted to fix a bunch of continuity errors in the world Like how could this person be alive that so He he hasn't out um because he has the whole wheel turns, you know every turn is different that kind of thing So he hasn't out. Um as far as anyone else. I don't know any I can't think of another author that does it as much as him That's not like really generic, uh, because J conrath does it blake crouch did it. Um, These guys did it, but it was super generic. It was just like let's shoehorn in this character However, he fits, you know that kind of thing Um, whereas king will take a character like daddy is bowman from the dark half and tell You know, he's got his own book the dark half and then he also is mentioned In three other stories. Uh, one of them is a novella and then two other novels No, it's two not two novellas in a in a novel and then uh same with ace and pop meryl Same with uh synthia from uh First appearance is I believe it's rose matter and then she's in desperation And then she has a twin air version that's in the regulators.  Whereas, uh When like a conrath or a crouch does it they reference like the whole catalog of where this person came from goes through all of their stuff Even with holly, he doesn't do that Um, where he doesn't completely rehash everything they've been through. It's more of hey, look, there's this character you guys remember Let's let's make them work naturally. Um so I I honestly don't think first off we're we're not really Cuffed to this to an exact year. Um, we got the 80s. It's obviously 80s. It could even be early 90s Um as long you mentioned putting the 19 the south 1989 at the beginning But if we don't put that on there, it can literally be any time frame. So it could 100% be I think boom boom might be mentioned. Yeah, it's the sun dog needful things in bag of bones. Yeah, you got it, right? So it is too.  Anyways, uh, but Yeah, like I said, the only thing the only thing that would handcuff us is if we put like 1989 at the beginning of the book But then again, you know, people are going to be questioning what time it is We can make it purposefully and ambiguous to what year it is or whatever Um, if you're if you're worried about that, it's an easy fix either.  I I don't know. Um, I could even I could even have her say like maybe after Her and buzzer broke up. She did go on like this this sabbatical You can do that sabbatical. Yeah, and told everybody she was Going to her cousins when she really didn't have any We can even we can even have them uh, uh, like That's a really good idea and how we could set that up is We could have buzzered either corner or talking to shane and kind of drop that You know, she just disappears whenever she wants to I wouldn't get too attached, you know, that kind of thing That's a good. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a very natural way to To throw that out there. Maybe after the whole like you said, maybe after the whole thing with buzzard Uh, you know, and then that's that he could throw that down there cause a little bit of internal conflict Is like do you really just disappear anytime? You know that that kind of thing? Um, so yeah, yeah Yeah, I like that. I like that idea. Um I like your idea As I'm as I'm having these two kids get to know each other and um When I was writing this stuff and then you had mentioned carrying around a paperback book I was like, man, this is like sam. It's like sam and denny and I was like, what if this is sam?  It fits It's not us trying to change the book to make her fit. It already fits So yeah, 100% if you want to put the goldman book is the book that she has on her 100% I'm fine with that. Um, and we can change her to shant to sam Or maybe just her carny name is shenna And if you want to drop something at the at the end like before she dies or something's like By the way, my real name sam or something some shit like that. Who knows? But any any number of things it, you know, it I like I like stuff like that. Um, yeah, yeah, definitely and um, I would want to make it subtle. So I mean, this is this would be for people who Might remember other stuff that were she would then be like, I think this is is this the same, you know Rather than like, yeah trying to shoehorn and make this about this thing It's just like the clues are there if you've read the other stuff you might pick up on it If not, who cares? Okay. Yeah. Um, I have a character in my big project, uh that I don't know. We'll ever see the light of day that I thought could make a pop in because they come from a Smaller carnival than what they end up in and I was thinking about putting that person in here But nobody would know anything about it Okay. Yeah, they'd be cool until the other big project comes out But just kind of be like if you know people well, then again if I use lawn I'm not using lawn for the big project. So nix that never mind. Um Or maybe like the one in like dairy in a bachman book Yeah It could be something like that. It could very well. I don't know Um, but that's if even like the same two people read my my book and read this book. So I mean that's Which I which I highly doubt completely different genres All right, I'm gonna go ahead and take my break when I get back. I'm gonna do something. I just don't know what I'm gonna do See y'all in about 10 minutes Do you want to share your screen or I mean that doesn't matter at this point. It's up to you Yeah, I can do that. Um, I'm just trying to get people something to look at other than our faces while We're just sitting here Not that I think anybody cares, but most everybody that watches these are working too I'm back Did you do a find replace or did you read what I had up here down here? Uh, I did a find replace. What did what did you have? No, that's fine I was just wondering because I saw that the name was changed in this uh later chapter. I wrote and I was wondering if you'd read it or not Oh The dude the ring toss game that is the game where you throw the rings over all of the bottles, right? Yeah, it's either bottles or it's like uh traffic cones or something like that. Yeah, that's right There's also where there's pegs on the wall that you try to get there's there's multiple different versions, but yeah Do you uh You get what three rings? I don't know depends anywhere between three and five is usually the but the way the way it tends to work is Like three is the base three is gonna cost you back then probably like a dollar and then he'll start us the the The worker will start Uh, they they have a certain way of of talking to make something sound like a deal that isn't actually a deal It's like, uh, one more dollar gets you two more rings when three for the first one, but he makes it sound like it's a deal Um, so using things like that will make it a little more realistic, but yeah, um, of course all of them are rigged It doesn't matter. Um, also the prizes are Uh, they buy them in bulk and they're the stuff that the companies can't sell Because they're damaged in some way, so they'll have some kind of defect. Um, I'm probably giving you more information than you want, but um It's usually back then it would be like, you know, three four dollar and then he's like, hey We'll let you go two more for another dollar, you know that kind of thing Uh, but yeah, it's it's usually it's three to five um But always keep in mind that you know, they're trying just to get more out of the person so So the uh, I know that I know that a lot of these stations they'll have like the uh The real attraction like the giant stuff thing, right? How how what what does it take to win something like that? It would probably be so you want to account for how much the thing costs So, I mean like like what what like Let's say somebody throws three rings and All three rings go exactly to where they're supposed to what is right?  Um, so it would say something like three rings gets you Like they'll they'll have A row of stuff that's for three rings and then a row of stuff bigger above it That's like five rings and then 10 rings and then up tops like 20 rings Okay, um now that's usually how it goes kind of like uh like chucky cheese and whatnot for the tickets Now I was having uh, I wrote a scene where um, uh They finished the cotton candy and she goes off and she steals a bunch of tickets tells him to put him in his pockets And um, then she's like grabs his hand and wants to you know, let's do these games Let's do this one.  So yeah, and I think I don't want him to get it. I don't want him to be able to get it. Uh, I don't like 100 he wouldn't be able to so they they wouldn't let that they wouldn't let that happen Okay, well, she used to run this thing so she would know that right so why would she take him over there? Um I mean, I know people win these things my wife you can even make a point of this stuff Um, where yeah, but usually when you end up winning you're not actually winning Like, you know, you end up spending 30 dollars to do this and the prize only cost them five bucks Even those big giant ones they get them in such bulk. So even though it feels like you're winning You're not actually winning anything Um, but uh, but you could literally have if you know have them have like a conversation He'd be like men that felt rigged and she goes. Oh, yeah, they're definitely they're all rigged It's like, why'd you have me play it if you know, they're rigged. It's like you had fun, didn't you? That kind of I don't I don't know maybe I But on top of that the tick if you're using tickets as a trade system in there instead of paying the the concession uh cash, uh Then it's it's all if she stole a bunch of tickets. It's all free anyways.  It's just her and he's this is all new for him. He's kind of like, you know um So she's kind of hard to read. He's like Does she like me? It's you know that kind of thing because she's acting like but but this is also very new to him. He's you know um But that's just in her nature and she has she's wanted this thing. She's hoping Um, you know, she thinks it's just the romantic most romantic thing if he could do this But if she are he thinks all this then none of this makes sense if she already knows that You can't I mean, I like the idea of well, you had fun didn't you but But it doesn't match with what I've written so far. So I think maybe I'll Well, just leave it we can I'll I'll read it before we're done today Another thing to keep in mind is usually the the games Are not run by tickets. Um, the games are usually cash Um, and the reason for that is because there's tangible prizes involved Whereas with rides they would sell tickets. Um, it's just like you don't use tickets to buy the concession stand foods Um, you you would use cash uh because you're dealing with tangible products You're not dealing with a ride. Um with the ride Uh, and then what happens after that is they tally up how many tickets they have And the operators get paid from the concession stand not from the The box office. I guess it would be called So that's another thing to consider is it might might not even happen at all because of that Because he doesn't have any cash to use on the on the thing But I mean we can always make up our own like a reason or we don't even have to I might be thinking too much into this but uh most carnivals be The game stuff all that stuff is a cash prize because they're trying to make the money back for what they bought Um, and usually three rings the first one that you buy will pay for damn near any of the prizes Um, because they get the the the smallest the smallest bears are usually like 25 cents a piece That's because they get them in bulk from china Um, and then the oriental trading company exactly and then it'll be 50 cents for like the next one I think the most they pay for any of them might be a dollar to three dollars for the big ones Um, and that's like that's only a couple years ago. That's like to not couple years It's like 2010 Is how much those things were going for because you can go on team timu right now Um, not that I suggest this but timu right now in order, you know, 100 bears for like, you know 50 bucks and they're the the little the little shits and that's what they do Um, they buy them in bulk and they're usually damaged products in some way My uh, my oldest has a dog has a bear that she no, it's a bulldog that she calls bill They call sorry they they call bill. Um, and the uh It has one of its eyes uh doesn't Isn't like it's it's sewn in from the back But it's like slightly hanging also and that thing cost me five dollars So you got one eye and that's ever since uh, I I want it. It's been like that We got it and the one eye was kind of like hanging out and there's no tightening or anything The other eye is fine, but there's always a defect And they have another one that's a brown bear That has the stitching on its back is like a almost like a zigzag pattern when it's supposed to be straight It's like something screwed up with the sewing machine So Yeah, so even the stuff that you win brand new has usually got some kind of defect in it because they just buy them in bulk Um, but yeah, let me let me read it. I'll see if I can make it work because that's what That's like what I do That's one of the things I'm the best at is finding a reason for something that shouldn't be there or that doesn't work so another route we could go is She's uh, grifting this guy from the from the get-go and she's just doing her job working the thing and then And then uh, you know later on she's like just so you know, you you never could have won that And he's like, well, why did you and then she could say Because that's what we do and then and then she said Um, he's like, well, why all the tickets are why and then it could be like because you wanted to have fun Yeah, so yeah And what what's more what's more fun than winning your date a prize? Wait a second. It's a date or whatever Any any number of things. Yeah, I like that. Um But yeah, she's also been with this carnival for what three four years something like that. Uh, so I mean she's It all of this is going to come Grifting people is going to be second nature to her.  So, um Yeah, we can a hundred percent do that is be like, you know, that's just how we do things around here and Everything you just said is perfect. I like it. So we'll figure it out and we can even go, uh Is like usually he charges money, but he's gonna he he let me do it because of the tickets and I stole the tickets So nobody loses anything.  Didn't you? You know that kind of thing? Whatever any number of things Thanks, honey What do you what are you working on? Uh, the end of this, uh, three-part chapter. I was doing the the whole thing with the strong woman Uh setting people up by leaving your truck unlocked so she can get in fights Okay That's it Just another one of those odd things that happens like in the middle of it That has no other bearing on the story other than the good and bad sounds I'll bear back. All right I'm back. All right Did we have uh boobs as being a particular character? If so, we put it down here Yeah, just no the only thing we have is uh just Uh because everyone loves him All right, I've got to mess the hot dog guy right now. Yeah He probably be best if everybody loves him. He's got to be in some kind of sales position My wife dnf to do my key I was wondering how long that was going to take for one of you to be like, uh, I don't think so Well, it's it's rewarding as fuck by the time you get to the end but I kept trying to convince her because I just you know I just bought her a hardcover and I already have my hardcover of it So that book is so much better a second time around and I don't expect anybody to read it twice But I'm I'm I'm not hating on it. I don't mind it But yeah, she's uh, I turned around to Some really good books recently and that might have something to do plus she's she's used to my Kind of no nonsense don't fill her type of yeah, you know stuff and to go from that to steven king Um where your it's wordier is hard for her, but yeah, I just had her read um hard mountain clay Which is uh one of the best books I've read so far this year and then She read Oh hidden pictures which I bought but I haven't read and then uh the last thing he told me which is uh She liked that too. I haven't read it So Which which author to you he writes the best characters? I mean, I think that's obvious That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's obvious Uh, yeah, that's the whole reason I read king If you're even still in here you you asked that question 21 minutes ago My niece started school today. What the what happened to uh I thought school used to start in like september, man It all depends on where in the world you are, but I mean you would know around your area more than I would I mean all my kids are graduated, but What the heck that's horribly sad. Yeah, it used to be like Like mid september. Jeez Sorry Oh, you're fine, dude for one two Basically three pages. Um, now I'm gonna go back up and read what you what you've added And I'll uh I I got a thing on here. You'll see this is insert worker resetting the rules to shame Mm-hmm. Gotcha. You can write all that and then um, I think we'll just do what I was talking where they'll the uh I've had while they're eating their hot dogs. She'll be like just so you know, you never you like everything I just said and then she'll just you know confess the grift and and that there was a uh ulterior motive and that was For him to have fun. Yeah I just used that in that later chapter. I'm writing too as far as the setting up of the grip So I'm already I'm already using stuff or from earlier Kind of tie in the themes but like yeah, let me read this and we'll uh Drive to survive After we finish the cotton candy. She grabs my hand and runs behind the truck because you have behind bed truck Which uh It's the first line of the new stuff. Well the highlighted stuff Um, the truck bed is Runs behind the truck bed Yeah, okay And I may you know, I might have all this kind of ticket stuff wrong I don't know or maybe they just do it differently because they try to Save as much money as possible or they have a different way of things out of here. Yeah, I'll uh, I'll figure it out There's plenty of ways to do it I just I'll pick the easiest and most natural way Or at least run that by you and get rid of that very if you want to You know, you have any idea what that means the pineapples My grandparents used to do it when they would go camping They used to have the in this in the 70s. It was very popular in the trailer parks Do you know why? Like I don't want to be the one to tell you if it's your grandparents Um, trust me, but if it's something sexual my grandparents were very in This was like an old person's like I I get that it might it might seem something now, but it did not then Okay, I mean like 75 started in like 40s yeah pineapples, uh pineapple has been the The kind of secret Thing for swingers since the 40s Letting people know that they're in an open relationship And it might not be but the the string of the string of pineapples or a pineapple in your front yard or an upside down pineapple um Yeah, that's that's been since the 40s. That's like how people used to like, you know, like Uh speakeasies and whatnot would would let people know that they were interested in swinging that that kind of thing This is more like a like a tiki type of you know, like the tiki decor Like hawaiian and things like that. I got you. Okay. I mean it would be fitting for mingo Yeah, it would it would 100 percent 100 percent. I just I was like, I don't know if I want to say this if your grandparents Yeah, no, my Today on the live stream chad finds out his grandparents were freaky Just kidding. The funny part about that is my My grandmother, I believe is the first person who told me about that um, it's like you want to stay away We want to stay away from people with pineapples out front of their places and she lived in a what was considered a retirement trailer park Uh, there was like a gated community kind of deal, but it was still trailers So there's really nothing fancy. They had a pool and everything. It was in ukaipa I can't remember what it was called, but uh, ukaipa california and she goes don't go anywhere near the people with the pineapples out front Okay, I guess it has to be an upside down pineapples. It has to be upside down. Yeah all right Yeah, because i'm looking at uh, yeah, uh, I googled the pineapple lighting with camping and 1970s tiki lighting and all those Okay, right Ningo, oh my gosh, you know, it's weird dude, but i'm reading this article on what you're talking about and the you know what Pineapples used to be uh, you know that they used to symbolize prosperity and eternal life and stuff and then It says uh in the land of the free and easy those upside down pineapples do indeed simple something Uh, which is a secret squirrel smoke signal for swingers looking for a little action and It says the pineapple must be displayed upside down. So regardless of your gay straight middle of the road or teetering on the edge Just be sure to display your pineapple as you intend And then it says what do flamingos signify? From for me, it isn't well, I could be wrong here, but I always thought flamingo meant queer It says uh, if you're wondering Why your mingos are getting caught in this it says What um Why your mingos? So it's just so funny that all of this is coming together Yeah, I have I'll have I'll read on here what it says about flamingos, but This this happens to me a lot like finding out I've written something that Is actually deeper or goes farther than I thought at first or that I got something right and I had no idea Oh, okay.  It's one of the coolest clubs. I've ever been in uh in the south Used to go there on drag night to watch the show So There's them motherfuckers put on a show for real I guess some people are saying that Few swingers use Flamingos is a sign of availability and pineapples on the door or porch is the signal that some shenanigans are going on right then I'm wondering if the difference between an elephant ear and a funnel cake is uh regional I can't find anything that says that but I've never heard of a funnel cake Yeah A funnel cake is a cake with a hole in it. No, no, it's not A funnel cake is it looks like a pile of worms Uh dusted with sugar. It's uh, they they extrude Uh Oh, i'm thinking of a bundt cake. Yeah, not not not bundt cake funnel cake. Um, it's the same exact thing Um, it's just the difference in because i've never even heard of elephant ears Um, oh you haven't no I haven't um, but I know I know funnel cakes Funnel cakes is what we normally get down here. Um, I've never seen one in a carnival in the south An elephant ear. It's always been funnel cakes But i'm i'm not i'm not saying change anything.  That's pounded flat. Yeah Um, whereas uh, yeah the funnel cake is a fritter batter Um, and not a dough Not your typical dough anyways That's just that's just interesting to me like I said I never heard of them But then again the only carnivals fairs anything like that. I've been to is and is here in alabama, so Very well, and I never went to one oddly enough as much as I love it Probably because of the mystery of it is why I fell in love with it. I was never allowed to go when I was younger Oh, we have them, uh Yeah, we've got a calhoun county fair here in marshal michigan which is right next door to battle creek and um Yeah, they got the All in usual stuff. I mean it's pretty big Um They do it once a year and they yeah, they get the elephant ears and I think they have elephant ears at Cedar point too, of course cedar points at an amusement park, but got you But I've never been Down south other than to you know, florida a few times You know so passing through All right, I'm gonna go ahead and take a break. Someone's here. Also. I can hear the car out there I'm gonna go ahead and take a break. I know what's going on But I'll I'll be at least 10 minutes because I'm gonna walk around too and when I get back I'm gonna write uh the The ring toss scene So the yeah the bit you have insert worker reciting the rules to shame. Yeah Okay, I'll be back Anyone in here Anybody have any questions? I'm sitting here kind of taking a break myself. What's up, sam?  You can change the name. You can change her her uh Details or whatever but for now. I just wrote Uh, did you did you read the part where the chick with the Tits so big they're under chin. She could bite her tongue. Okay. Yes, uh Chantilly I just wrote the name down whatever we can change it Middle-aged big breasted woman who runs the ring toss Booty calls on occasion with mingo All right, fish shantilly. This is shane On a date The way I can use something other than lady I have never I don't think I've ever met anybody with that name. It just makes me there's that song Chantilly ladies and I'm pretty yeah Chantilly lace with tits interface You're right. We we're over the 24k mark Yeah, we'll probably end up being at 25 before we're done today because I'm I'm rolling pretty steady. Maybe I don't know how far we are over 24 I just got real dark with uh sam's history Julia I can't remember. What where's shane's dad? I don't think we mentioned it. Have we? I can't remember Dang dude I just scrolled up looking for something Yeah, and uh, I'm so glad to be out of that house. My gosh Yeah It's a uh Yeah A whole a whole different feel right now. It's exciting kids got future ahead of them. Oh, man Yep, yuck. Yeah, there is that uh, I have that same hopeful feeling now Okay, I think I'm Think I'm tapped out got a large A lot written some really important scenes done For or at least started Okay, I think I got it awesome Uh, do you think this is I'm gonna leave this here for now, but why is that? Do you think that we should have uh I just had Shane kind of put together what might be happening with that grave But I don't know if we want to stretch it out more or have this but I have um Where she looks at uh, she sees the blisters on his hand and asks him, what's the story behind that? He said my uncle made me dig a grave She says a grave for who? He said and then and then this isn't he didn't say anything after that That was a good question one. I hadn't asked myself until now Suddenly all these pieces came to the center like a magnetic puzzle pulling itself together The brick of coke the too big for bruce grave hunter's car backed up to it Shibby's coloring books Yeah, um, I was gonna use uh, I know you I know you changed and this isn't a problem But I was gonna use the the page that he tears off with shibby's name on it that he stuffs in his pocket I was gonna use that later for something like that. So with that, but this works just fine Okay, I have him like reach into his pocket and fill the paper Um when the the grave thing came back up However, but I I like here is just fine I I'll read all this tomorrow my my back's killing me and we're already almost four hours into this some bitch. So All right, who said what? Century if you're still here, uh, has writing a book ever became uber boring or stressful at one point to you? No, uh, if it does that if I'm bored the reader is going to be bored. So I just don't bother with it Um, no matter how good it is. I but I but I can't express how Little that happens. Um, usually I don't even start writing an idea unless it's exciting enough for me to At least write a short story about it. So it happens Very very rarely Um, but when it does happen, it's usually before the 15k mark and I just end up trashy Or it goes into the sorry it goes into my cannibal pile and pile Hey tim, sorry. I missed your brother But I was neck deep dude, we got like 3500 words written today. Yeah I knew it was going to be a lot. I knew it as soon as I sat down because I was like, I Yeah, uh, this is the carnival section. So yeah, I knew it was going to be like that. Hang on, uh So I'm going to put everything I wrote in a different color Okay I'll do red for right now. I don't know if you're gonna be able to read that or not.  I got my I got my paisley my cornflower blue Anywho Thank you all for joining us. We appreciate it. We always appreciate it. Thanks for hanging out. I hope you guys got some some work done Uh, if not, maybe some motivation do some work later on Uh, but that is it. We will be back tomorrow at 9 a.m. Central standard time We'll be doing monday through friday until this joker is done. Once me and shatter done I'm picking up with uh with derrick jones who is a member of the channel And we're going to be writing a book from scratch. Derrick has never written anything So it's going to be where you you're watching us two professionals Experienced, uh, you were going to go from that to watching someone who has never written anything and me kind of mentoring him and writing along with him and Learning from each other. So uh, just like me and shatter doing but Y'all have a good day Uh tomorrow, I don't know when I'm gonna I Also, I don't know how many there's only three people here I was going to give an update, but I'd just be repeating myself over on discord Anyways, y'all have a good one until next time. 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here in Barcelona and look at what I have in front of me. Hey guys back again with another comparison between the Pixel 8 Pro and the iPhone 15 Pro Max. We're in Barcelona but let's go back to Paris first because this trip was a journey with two different places. Now we're looking at the Eiffel Tower and this is a night video with both the Pixel and the iPhone. As you can see we have one X here and color-wise the Eiffel Tower at this time is in the middle but when we go to of course ultra-wide the the iPhone just kind of looks a little bit off with colors but again still really solid for both of them. Now starting off with an ultra-wide image I do like the iPhone here but the colors of the tower are closer with the Pixel. The sky is really black with the with the iPhone taking away a lot of that light bleed that you're getting with the Pixel but the Pixel is pretty wide though. Then we go to a one X shot here and this is where again the color schemes for both devices of what the Eiffel Tower looked at at the time is pretty much in the middle and between both of those. The iPhone keeps the sky really black and I really kind of like that it kind of focuses on the image itself. Then here's another shot here as we move over to 2x. You can see more detail a bit more with the iPhone than with the Pixel and again that light bleed is very prevalent on the Pixel 8 Pro. Now here we are at a 5x look on the device here and you can see a lot of detail with those both images but again you notice that black sky on the iPhone is very eerie. It's very interesting that actually it still stays there and of course we zoom into the max here and you can see the a lot of particulates on the Pixel over the iPhone but again both of them have done a really good job in showing some detail there on the images you are looking at. Now of course I'm here with some friends and this is a really good shot of just both everyone here out hanging out in Paris. Lovely look and you can see there's just more detail on the iPhone over the Pixel and again less of that lightening of the background that you will find on the Pixel. That's just an interesting perspective here. Now when we move over to this image you can see what I mean by lightning here. There's this extra light source to what's the left of my system law and broader law here in the photo. You can see the iPhone kind of keeps it very balanced while the overall image on the Pixel feels like it's brightened up so that you can brighten up you know both couples here in the photo. I kind of like what the iPhone is doing very balanced. Here's another one here which is quite interesting the background is yes the lighting is yellow which you can see on the iPhone but the Pixel does a better job in brightening the scene and this is where that brightening has an advantage as you see both couples here as I'm trying to be a professional photographer and capture things really smooth. Now this is portrait and the Pixel does 1.5x iPhone does 1x and you can see the pixel image just looks more flattering just really nice. The iPhone didn't really capture that portrait at the time of course I can go in and change it but I want to just give you what directly was from the camera. Same with the shot here in the Pixel. The Pixel 1.5x really looks tight taking from the same position and really gives you an idea of what that 1.5x can do for images when you're taking portrait photos really nice and again brightened up it looks good here. Now this one was difficult because of the sweater I was wearing here and you can see the iPhone really struggled bringing a lot of the yellow in yellow background all that stuff compared to the Pixel which was a bit better here in terms of the color matching so I really like what the Pixel did here plus you could see the cobblestones a little bit better on the Pixel 8 Pro. Now I think when we go back to video this is where the Pixel is really improved the iPhone video I think still looks better the colors just match better better stabilization but you can see how well this Pixel has done here especially in a low light setting. Now Paris is a lovely place we're there for about two days celebrating my sister-in-law's birthday captured my wife here of course in front of the Octane Triumph and ultra-wide shot here the color balance on the Pixel really shines overall the iPhone kind of makes it a little bit muted in terms of look but still really solid but now let's head over to Barcelona. Quick one here on just a video capture daytime. Pixel's really improved stabilization is still better on the iPhone but I'm quite impressed with the Pixel. We're using the front facing camera 4k 30 this is a lovely city just look at that just look at that right there. Honestly food was amazing in Barcelona everywhere we went it was delicious but let's go back to some of the images here you can see this the color differences between both images again still really solid and you can see what the color profiles are but as you look closer with this plate the Pixel makes the plate really stand out white and all the colors come up pretty clean while the iPhone is a bit dull and more the yellow tint same thing with the escargot go here in the shot so a lot of those color profiles are picked up from the lighting in the background as you can see here with the beef tartare where you can see the richness of red for the Pixel the iPhone is a bit duller here but that being said though I found a Real Madrid store here in Barcelona can you believe it yes I couldn't either so I definitely had to go ahead and check it out and just pick up some gear I've been a Real Madrid fan my whole life and you know this mural here was great I watched Zidane I watched Ronaldo from Brazil I watched Luis Figo I watched David Beckham play I watched all these stars play and this team has been like a centerpiece in my football journey and of course I had to get a kit here I was in the store I mean there's just nothing else I was gonna do put my name on it as well and I got to see a Champions League trophy here in Barcelona from Real Madrid now this image is quite interesting the Pixel brightens up the overall background and also the very top of the sky compared to the iPhone same here with the the church here it's an ultra-white shot you can see the brick on the church is just much more grounded than the iPhone and now you'll find that with buildings across that the Pixel does brighten up the brick and even just the corners here of this white shot as we do a daytime zoom test here so that was ultra-white this is 1x and you can see again the buildings on the left are brighter than the iPhone and then we're moving closer we're going closer to that church there and you can see just the images on the Pixel are brighter than the flatter images on the iPhone now this is where the iPhone zoom I think does a better job there's more detail there's more detail here in this final shot than that on the Pixel 8 Pro now of course we're not going to go to spring without checking out La Sagrada Familia this wonderful cathedral is impressive that's 140 years and not finished but what you noticed is that yes even in zoom the iPhone has a little bit more detail and the Pixel is just a brighter image of the structure which is quite interesting but you know what that's kind of maybe a preference and what I really want to talk about is cabas yes you know I guess you could call a champagne but cava is beautiful it's tasty and we got to tour a cava winery in in in spain and this place has a capacity of over 2.5 million bottles stored on the ground which is impressive and as you look at the images you're going to see a lot more of that brightening and this room was super dark now this next image I want to show you is quite interesting see the Pixel there's more you can read the letters on the barrels much clearly than the iPhone which is right quite impressive so I like the fact that in those settings again here you can see more of the barrel than on the iPhone the Pixel really does more in darker scenes than what the iPhone can do here's a shot again of my wife outdoors 1.5x to 1 and this is a direct sunlight shot where I think the iPhone does a better job at keeping focus on the trees again here's the brightness I talked about you're going to see it a lot with pixel images across the board but extreme low light video is one that is difficult for the Pixel especially in settings like clubs where there's different lighting and stuff like that but you know what how does that stack up against the iPhone 15 Pro Max when you're in a rough setting and a lot of colors are in front of you you can clearly see as you look at both videos from the Pixel 8 Pro and the iPhone the iPhone does a much better job with the colors has also way less grain here as we're watching the flamenco dancers and oh my god this thing was impressive the amount of footwork the work and doesn't this guy look like mr. mobile here right in front of you but again this now here is another scene with very colorful appearances now while you look at the pixel the colors really stand out and the reds really punch up but there's a lot of grain on the very top and the image is not as clear sharp as you will while the iPhone keeps it more balanced to the scene and also just to the environment overall the one thing I do like with the Pixel 8 Pro it with photography is that it lets you capture very stylistic moments so I plan to try to play amateur photographer with my friends on the strip capturing them in just different places locations again different moods things whether it was the clubs we went to the bars we went to and honestly definitely go check out parody so one of the best bars on the planet the cocktails are great the pricing is great the service I know I'm hyping them up here but you do have to check it out but I was able to use the Pixel 8 Pro for the settings there's something it doesn't do as well but I do like where the camera is going and what it actually brings and captures for you which I think a lot of people would appreciate on the road hopefully you guys enjoyed this video comparing the iPhone 15 Pro Max and the brand new Pixel 8 Pro here in Barcelona and some of Paris as well it's just what let me know what you think guys and leave your thoughts who won this battle there is it the iPhone 15 Pro Max or is it the Pixel 8 Pro for the next one guys enjoy your entertainment


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If you're trying to maximize your results and get a great physique and also maximize the time you spend, there's nothing wrong with that. But when you hear someone say 10 minutes and it's just as good as a 45 minute or hour well placed door done workout, that's just plain wrong. You are listening to the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we address something that's going on around right now in the podcast world. There's a guy going around talking about why weightlifting is a waste of time. Of course we totally and completely disagree. And of course he's selling a piece of equipment to try to make some money right now off of some of these claims. So in this episode, we tackle some of the claims and why they're false. And we also talk about why free weights are still among some of the best pieces of equipment you can use for resistance training. Now here's the deal. We have been trainers for a very long time. 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They make an organ-complex supplement, so if you like to get the nutritional value of eating liver, kidney, and heart, but don't like the taste, and it's a little squeamish, try their organ supplement. You can also try some of their meat sticks. That's our favorite. These are grass-fed meat sticks. You can take anywhere, great macro profile, healthy, high in protein. They're super delicious. It's the best jerky I've ever had in my entire life. It's not dry, tastes very, very fresh. Because you listen to Mind Pump, you get a discount on all of their products. Just go to paleovali.com forward slash mind pump.  Did you guys get DMs on that episode on Ben Greenfield's podcast? No, you guys just showed me this. Weightlifting is a waste of time. I'm familiar with the guy. Yeah, John Jakewish? He's been click-baity title. He's been popping up in my Instagram feed for at least a year or two now. Yeah, well, he's selling a book, and he has a resistance-band bar apparatus. It's like $550 for a resistance band. He's pretty jack-looking, too. He is. He looks natural to me. Strange.  I know. No, you know, I want to address that podcast because I listened to what he said on the podcast. I've heard what he says on other things, and it's all so wrong that it needs to be totally addressed. Well, I don't think it's all wrong. There's some truth to some of the stuff that he's talking about. In fact, I don't think that our good buddy Ben was the best person to interview him on this conversation because Ben uses that. What's that machine called that he's all about? I don't remember. Does he use the Air X? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. He's been promoting that for a very long time. So he's all about the Dave Asprey 10-minute, 15-minute, super... Every biohacker, everybody in the longevity space geeks out about the least amount of time possible ever that you can work out and gain some kind of benefit from. Yeah. Well, okay, and I'm okay with that. But when you say it's better than... Yes. This is the distinction. Then the better way of training when you're saying it's better than progressive overload and volume and straight sets, that's when I have a problem. Is doing a 10-minute, one-set-to-failure routine for each body part better than nothing for some people, which it is? Oh, yeah. Is it in the same neighborhood as proper traditional resistance training? Not even close. This argument was made a long time ago. In the 1970s, there was a bodybuilder, Mike Menser, who... Okay, so you guys know who... God, what was his name? I can't remember his name. Inventor of Nautilus Equipment. Maybe you can look it up for me. Arthur Jones. Thank you, Arthur Jones. So Dr. Arthur Jones invented Nautilus Equipment. This was some of the first popular, like, selectorized equipment. And his goal was to create resistance equipment that was superior to freeweights. And one of the ways that he marketed this was he conducted a study. And really what it was, it wasn't a study, it was kind of a marketing thing. But he brought in Casey Viader, who was a bodybuilder at the time. In fact, Casey Viader was one of these phenom bodybuilders. I think he won... I want to say Mr. America or Mr. Universe. Back then, there were a lot of competitions like the Mr. Olympia at the age of 18. So this guy was like this freak of nature. He brings him in, and at the time, Casey Viader had gone from being built to being very deconditioned. Apparently, he stopped working out whatever, brought him in. So now he's lost lots of muscle, that stuff. And he took him through a study on one person where he trained him on Nautilus Equipment alone. And the way he trained him was he would do these super intense, single sets to failure per body part, rather than the traditional resistance training, bodybuilding routine, like at the time Arnold Schwarzenegger was real popular and he would do 20 sets per body part, and that kind of thing. And then he measured Casey Viader's progress. Now, Casey Viader made tremendous progress, but people who understand how the body responds understand he went in there very deconditioned. A lot of the gains that came on his body were... It was novel, too. Well, it was muscle memory. He went in losing lots of muscle, probably came off anabolic steroids, went on during the study, and he gained tremendous amounts of muscle. But he used that as a pivot, as a way to market Nautilus Equipment. Well, anyway, you got the attention of Mike Menser. Mike Menser put out a book called Heavy Duty, where he said doing one set to failure was all you needed to do to stimulate muscle growth. And got some followers to follow along. But there's been many studies done on this. And the studies show that volume is also important for muscle growth. And that going to failure is actually too much intensity for most people most of the time. Well, I mean, to me, this just screams like trying to narrow it down to one specific thing, to simplify it to the consumer. So it's nothing more than a marketing ploy to really highlight some of the benefits that we already know about rubber bands, which they do provide benefits. I don't disagree that they should find a way in a workout routine, but this is not going to replace free weights ever. It's just not going to happen in terms of like, you know, all the benefits that you're going to get from free weights in conjunction with rubber bands. Well, is there is there a single statement that you find that he said in that interview that is flawed or that is lacking? Like, what do you see that? What do you have the biggest qualm with this? Because Justin's right. There's we've already talked about the benefits of bands, right? So we don't disagree with that. I think they're an incredible tool and there's lots of great research around them. So basically, this is what he's utilizing. It's a band on a it's a bar connected to a rubber band that I think a plate that you stand on or something like that. What is it? What is it you have the biggest, exactly do you have the biggest problem with this by the statement of him saying that weightlifting is a waste of time? Yeah, well, he says a lot of stuff in there that's marketing based. It wasn't very much real science or study that was included in the conversation.  But that's just not true. Lots of generalizations. It's super. I mean, OK, I kind of get what he's trying to say with the joints versus muscle. I guess if you're lifting in a haphazard way, if your form is bad, it's worse on your joints than it would be for the muscles. But controlled movement is what trains the body very well. You can control movements with free weights, machines, bands or body weight. So there wasn't there wasn't really he didn't necessarily say anything specific. It was more like variable resistance is better because it trains the muscles to their max at every point of the range of motion. But variable resistance can be applied with free weights as well, where you attach bands or things like chains, although I would not have the average person mess with variable resistance. That's a more advanced technique. You know, I wouldn't take a client who just started working out or has been training with me for three months and have them put chains or bands on the bar to do variable resistance. So the biggest qualm that I have with it is just is just purely the amount of repetitions that you're expected to do. You know, if you do traditional weight training versus this super high intense way of exercising is this. The theory is that he's doing one set for, let's just say bicep curls to, you know, extreme intensity. And I guess bicep curls are a bad example because it's a simple exercise. Let's take something like a squat, right? So he does, you know, 15 to 20 reps or something like that. 20 30, 20 to 30 to absolute failure. And then they're done. The problem I have is that that's such a high skilled movement that part of the adaptation process and the benefits of getting good at it is the practice of it and having to do it over and over and over to get good where because you learn the skill of it. Right. So I can't I can't imagine me training one of my, you know, novice clients on on a technique like this where I go, OK, today I show the exercise because we're only going to do it one set, right? So I show the exercise. Here's the overhead press. We're going to do it till you can't do it. Yeah, we're going to do it. You can't do it one time and then we're going to move on to the next thing. You know, I just remember how many times I had to teach and show and critique over and over and over one single exercise. One of the benefits of doing traditional weight training is that most programs are three, four, five sets per exercise. So we get some time to practice. But even if you're in that advanced category of people who have really good, excellent skill on all these exercises, even if you're one of those people, the study, there's a lot of studies have been done on this and volume is clearly a part of the formula to get muscles to strengthen and grow and to get those positive adaptations. And they're very they're looking at this from this very simplistic mechanistic point of view, as if almost and Mike Menser used to talk about this. I was a big fan of Mike Menser back then. I still think he was an awesome bodybuilder. I think he did bring a lot of cool information. He was just wrong on a lot of the stuff he said. And it's this very simplistic view. It's almost like as if there's a switch that you hit. Once you hit the switch, muscle grows and how do I hit that switch? Just go super intense one time. We hit the switch and we're done. It's not that simple. It really isn't that simple. There's sets and volume and reps. There's technique. You can build muscle off of moderate intensity. Olympic lifters have demonstrated this for decades now where they practice at a very moderate intensity, but they train quite a bit and they have these tremendous strength gains. Studies on going to failure show that going to failure versus not going to failure over a period of six weeks, 12 weeks, it's just not as effective. It's better to have a little bit more volume and not go to failure than not go to failure with less volume. We're also not considering the effect it has on the central nervous system. I could take a completely deconditioned person and train them at a low intensity and do 10 sets of an exercise and they would be okay. One set to failure would be a way above and beyond too intense for them. Way above and beyond would cause problems. Intensity is very easily overdone. More, it's more easily overdone than even volume and frequency. Volume and frequency take a lot of time. I can't help but imagine that beginner too overloading the incorrect muscle we're trying to work too. Intensity is already easily over applied. Then take a novice training a movement and overload it and tell them you're gonna take this to failure. Not to mention you're overloading the eccentric portion like they wouldn't normally have, which is interesting. I just think that there's a lot more in there to consider in terms of the highlights of going through a natural range of motion with gravitational forces and controlling load. Where you actually do have a little bit of relief of muscular tension going through. There's a benefit to that functionally and there's a way more life applicable aspects to that. Yeah, and a lot of us, I mean, and this is just the truth a lot of what he's saying is very marketing centric. So his target was free weights, but it's obvious why? Because he's selling a piece of equipment that he's saying is the best muscle builder in the world. So who are you trying to take down off the top of the mountain? It's free weights. It's also very click-baity, right? Free weights that waste the time. So people are gonna be like, oh my gosh, what is this guy saying? Because every other reputable coach and trainer and strength athlete says free weights are among the best forms of equipment for- Otherwise we'd see it. Otherwise we'd see it. When you talk about high level sports where there's millions and millions of dollars and the studies that he's using and he's touting they're not new. This isn't cutting edge science that we're talking about right now. Variable resistance has been around for a long time and we've known this and there's been plenty of research around. So everything that he talked about as far as what he referenced has been there. So it's not like this is a new finding. And if it was that valuable, then every professional athlete, every bodybuilder would train this way because it was superior, but it's not superior. That's why none of them do that. Yeah, and there's a, I mean, here's, you know, build maximum muscle with very little time. 10 minutes once a week or twice a week and get the best results you're like, that should be your first red flag. Exactly, it's like get rich in 30 days, you know, or lose 30 pounds in 30 days. It's along those lines. It's in the category of the fitness space that can be quite annoying to people who've actually trained real people, lots of real people all the time. If you're trying to maximize your results and get a great physique and also maximize the time you spend, that's a, there's nothing wrong with that. But when they say, when you hear someone say 10 minutes and it's just as good as a 45 minute or hour well-placed door done workout. Well, I know they can make that case too because this is true. I mean, you've been doing this for a very long time, Sal.  I do believe that you could do one set of bands and it'd be more effective than that kid who walks in and decides to do 10 sets with a barbell. Barbell technique. Yeah, I mean, Arnold is known for saying that too, right? That he could come in the gym and do one set more effective than somebody spending an hour inside the gym. Yeah, but it's very misleading. It is, it's misleading because then everybody thinks, oh, I can too. It's like, no, because you're so advanced and you understand what you're trying to accomplish by this. Plus don't compare yourself to someone else. Could I do one set with bands to compete with a traditional workout? For me, no. It would not give me the same results. It would not give me the same adaptations. It just doesn't work that way. So it's very marketing centric and very, very false. And free weights are among the best, most versatile pieces of equipment that are around. There is no machine or piece of equipment that can compare. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff out there and we're big advocates in utilizing things like suspension trainers, bands, and so on. But free weights are near the top, if not at the top, when you're looking at performance. They've done lots of studies on this, by the way. They'll do like a barbell squat versus a leg press. Which one builds most muscle and then which one improves sprints, you know, speed. Which one improves jump, you know, height. Which one improves stability and strength in a everyday real world movement. And the free weight exercises tend to be superior. On hypertrophy alone, sometimes machines can match, but then when you combine strength and functionality, free weights are just, that's why they're still there. You know, those were the first resistance training pieces of equipment, by the way. Machines, cables, bands, have been around for a very long time. There's a reason why free weights haven't disappeared. They haven't, and it's because they still remain some of the best pieces of equipment. There's a lot of reasons why, that is. The first reason, they're among the most versatile. You know, when you take a machine, you're, that machine is, unless someone designed a machine specifically for you, like- I would make the argument that free motion is up there, right? Because a free motion, you can contour it to your body. There's not too many things that you can't do with a free motion. Cables would be the one piece of equipment I would say would be up there with versatility, because they're free, right? You're still on a track, but yeah, you're able to move at least in the direction that you want your limbs to go. Right, but the machine is still, the free motion is still there. It still can't go anywhere. Right, right. Still, the anchor points are still relatively fixed. I mean, I can move the arms, but that's where they go. There's a top and there's a bottom. Free weights follow the person. I could train a 10-year-old with free weights. I could train an 80-year-old with free weights. I can train any movement pattern. I've trained, you know, paraplegics with free weights. They follow the person. Well, you know, another thing that he didn't really address too, because think about your guys as clients, right? All the people that you guys train, how often was it as cut and dry as, let me draw up a program that builds you the most amount of muscle or just burns body fat? Like that was never the case. I always had to learn about the person.  So that's the other thing that when you talk about versatility and the benefits of that is, I can take somebody who has discrepancies on one side and the other, and I can modify that with free weights. That's a lot easier than I can with bands. You totally can. And one of the big mistakes I think a lot of people make is they look at workouts and they value them from the workout perspective and not from the skill perspective. So in other words, if I'm gonna go work out my legs, it really doesn't matter what I do as long as I hammer my legs. As long as my legs get sore, as long as my legs, you know, grow and get stronger, it doesn't matter what I do, but it kinda does matter what you do because that skill acquisition and that practice makes a big difference. And if a person treated exercise like this, like let me put it this way, if you took 100 people and 50 of them treated resistance training like a skill and the other 50 only treated it like a workout and you followed them for five years, which group would have more success, less injuries, just better progress overall? Well, it's the example Justin just did a Friday fitness tip, right? You taught a single arm dumbbell snatch, right? Yeah. Hang snatch. Right, okay, sorry. Sorry. I got checked on that. Oh, did you? Really annoying. Anyway, let's continue. You know, so you could take a set of bands or this apparatus this guy invented and you could break down all the different muscles that get worked in that dumbbell snatch that Justin taught and you could train those muscles, but you would not have the same skill set as the ability of taking that weight, getting it above your head and stabilizing the body safely with the dumbbell as you could with the bands, which when you think about real life situations, okay, it's not gonna look like in this elastic environment, it's going to be unstable and that is going to carry over into what you do. The stretch reflex response, like there's a lot more to human movement to consider that, you know, the working with rubber bands like doesn't really do well with. And, you know, really it, I understand from a muscular perspective, like everybody wants to increase the amount of muscles involved. That's why those STEM machines are, and they have these like, you know, monitors that can show you how active your muscles are in these lifts, which is one consideration, but also what are you actually trying to do with your movement? And I think that is a big part of being able to actually have function and strength in specific directions, not just be able to squeeze really hard. Yeah, and again, bands are actually great. I love bands. I just don't think that they, you could say that weights are a waste of time. I think weights are, again, among some of the best forms of tools for resistance training, we should say. But I mean, okay, look, look at the real world, okay? I'll use an example. Let me back up for a second. If I took, if you're listening right now and you had a magic wand and you could wave that over your body and literally tomorrow you wake up with an additional 15 pounds of lean body, just 15 pounds of muscle. You wake up with 15 pounds of muscle. You would feel awkward. You would move weird.  It would be hard for you to run or throw a baseball or do whatever you could do before because you haven't learned the skill of moving with that body. It's not just about building muscle. It's also about how to use that muscle. I mean, it makes no difference if your car looks like a Ferrari if under the hood, you know, as a four cylinder, you can't move, right? So in the real world, when you're lifting and moving things, none of them are attached to cables. None of them are on a track. None of, all of them are free.  All these things are free moving in the real world. And so even if, and I'm making, this is not true, but I'll pretend like it is true. Even if a machine or a band or something like that could build as much muscle as a free weight, it's still not equal because the transfer to the real world just isn't there. If I can pick up, if I can deadlift a lot of weight, that's gonna transfer more to lifting things in the real world off the ground than if I could deadlift on a machine. Well, you may be promoting more dysfunction in your movement, you know, for everything else. So like, you just wanna consider how you train is, that's part of specificity. So you're gonna carry that into now how you lift things in the real world as well. Right, and free weights also require balance and stability. You know, doing a shoulder press on a machine, it's got some value, not saying it doesn't have any value, but it doesn't require me to balance the weight. In fact, I can lean on the machine. In fact, if I'm holding handles on machine, I could lean back on it or pull forward. If I have poor stability in my thoracic spine, doesn't matter, the machine puts me in the right position. Now, if I'm advanced and I wanna add volume and I wanna isolate the shoulders, get a better pump, sure, there's some value there, but compare that to like a standing overhead press. Standing overhead press, I'm still working the shoulders, but it requires a lot of stability, it requires balance. I have to be able to stabilize my body as I hold the weight above my head. Oh, there's communication going from your fingertips all the way down to your toes. Absolutely.  I mean, there's a huge difference between being able to stand up and do an overhead press and being able to shoulder press a machine 200 something pounds. I remember I had a buddy of mine who was strict bodybuilder and did, he didn't do any standing overhead press, he did lots of machine presses, he would do seated with the dumbbells but nothing overhead. And I remember he came to my studio and we did a workout together and I had him do overhead presses with me. And of course he had to drop the weight because he wasn't used to standing and stabilizing. And I remember the next day he messaged me and said, my upper mid-back is sore from overhead presses, mainly because he'd never had to really stabilize his scapula the same way as he did with the standing overhead press. He said, I never, he said, I didn't realize my mid-back, my upper mid-back had to really support me that much. He goes in and it felt phenomenal. And he went to overhead presses for a while and saw some great development because of that. So that balance and stability aspect is one of the reasons why it's got some of the best carryover. Professional athletes or athletes in general tend to use primarily for general strength building free weights. That tends to be, still, if you go to the 49ers gym or whatever, you see a lot of platforms and play tomorrow. Yeah, you'll see rubber bands, but they're purely accessory. So they'll be like Vertamax or they'll be like things where you're highlighting certain skills they're trying to develop. And sometimes it does help in terms of anti-rotation and being able to try and get the athlete to respond appropriately and be able to anchor their body appropriately. But again, that's why I don't throw it out, but it's not the majority of the bulk of the training for them to build a foundational strength. I mean, how do you get away with this? You think that just because of that, because we do, we all agree, right? The bands are phenomenal. I mean, I think they're a great tool and I think athletes use them a lot, but not more than that they use free weights. So what is this? Is it the cherry picking of the data? Is that what it is? There's so much good information that's related to variable resistance, band training, that you could cherry pick all of it to try and make the case that you can build. I think it's, you know, you can look at all these studies that he'll pull from where it looks great, right? Cause it doesn't put a lot of impact on the joints. You know, you can basically highlight and mimic a muscle through its natural strength curve. Like there's a lot of benefits it can highlight. And so it just looks like on paper, a lot of times in the lab, you know, things look really good. The numbers look awesome, but then you actually apply it to the athletes and it doesn't translate the same. And I think that's really what's going on. Yeah, but the studies on variable resistance are not just bands versus free weights. It's free weights versus free weights with bands attached. Yeah, exactly. That's how they use variable resistance. So power lifters, they're the biggest, I'd say strength athletes that use variable resistance like chains and bands, but they're not doing a band only squat for that. They tend to add it to the barbell or they don't replace their traditional lifts with it. It's a supplement. They're also at a very high level. And again, have you guys ever done variable resistance with a beginner or intermediate client? Yeah. I don't, that's a very advanced thing that you apply. It doesn't make any sense for a beginner. Yeah, and also too, like cause the thing is with barbells, you can load, right? And you can be stable and you can load. And I think there is benefit to having breaks in that tension. Think about like mimicking that like three, four, 500 pounds, right? And I'm going through a squat and I never get any rest with that. How do you like detach from that? How do you not, you know, when you have a moment of, you know, loss of focus, what that might potentially do with all that force, you know, throwing back down. Yeah, that's an interesting point cause I'm sure he makes the case that it's safer, but then I can make the case with it with it. Not when you get up and wait, just like a load. Right, I would think that it would be, that's what the first thing I thought of was training a novice client. You know, they're very new to weightlifting and you're telling them to go to, I mean, we don't advocate for training to failure to a beginner in the first place.  He's pulling from the research that talks about the benefits of going to failure and pushing that for every single set. I just think that you increase your risk with a brand new person. Yeah, plus it pulls you to one point. So another massive difference, cause if you want to just keep adding more potential weight because you want more growth and you want all this excess muscle, you know, when you go through that range, like it's determining where you go. You're on this path. And then if you're anywhere off of that path, it's gonna put your joints in a really weird position. Yeah, that's true. Like if you're squatting with the band, it's, there's an anchor point, right?   It's determining where you're gonna go. Right, which, and I, you know, imagine failing under a heavy band. Right, exactly. Nobody's talking about that.    Okay, now, what am I gonna do? Oh, I'm gonna go against weights. Right, I wanna believe that after the two plus decades of weight training consistently myself that if I just wanted to maintain a decent physique, I could totally train just this. Just do bands and have a decent physique. You could look, you could get a great workout with bands. Here's the problem. And this is the same problem I would have with somebody who said kettlebells are the be all end all.  There's tremendous value in all of these tools. In fact, the best results you're gonna get are from utilizing each one of these tools for what they're good and best for, right? So machines are phenomenal at isolating muscles. They're excellent at that cause they do all the other work for you, right? For building general muscle and strength and functional strength, free weights are near the top if not at the top. Bands are very, they're very versatile. You can travel with them, that's great. They don't take up a lot of space. They do have the ability to adjust the resistance within the range of motion, which is pretty cool. I think they're a great tool. Do I think I would just do one and not utilize any of the others? No, that would be totally silly. It's really, it just, it screams, you know, infomercial marketing. Well, it highlights part of the motivation behind us doing what we're doing, right? I mean, one of the things that we were all so annoyed about when we got into the space is the camps.  It's incredibly valuable. The thing that we have a problem with is everybody wants to put everybody into a camp, that you belong to the powerlifting camp. You belong to Olympic lifting, the bodybuilding camp, the obstacle course racing camp. When it's like, listen, all these different modalities are incredible and I think have tremendous value and it's more about educating people on how to utilize all of them and why limit yourself to just one modality. That makes no sense when we have all of them at our disposal. Right, and there's this, it's very smart marketing to take something, for example, let's say you're selling a Bar with Band on it like this guy and you come out and say, Bar with Band machine is one of the greatest machines for building muscle and strength.  It's just smart marketing. Same old, same old. Did you say he's tied to Tony Robbins? Yeah. Did you say that? I think he was, yeah. Oh, you don't know. No, no, I'm pretty sure he is, we could double check, but yeah, I believe you. Yeah, it's been floating around for a while. I had a few people tag me back when, so it's interesting that he's made his way finally to Ben. Ben must have got annoyed by it and decided to bring him on there. But again, I don't think Ben's the greatest person to talk to about this, because Ben utilizes the whatever machine I forget. Ben does everything. Yeah, I know he does. Name one, exercise modality, Ben has not utilized or done for himself. Ben uses free weights, Ben uses bands, uses body weight. He trains. Isometric everything. Isometric, he does everything. So he's somebody that, again, he's that guy I would want to try all these different things. But no, when it comes to resistance training, free weights are, they're a staple. That's what I would call them. I would call them a staple. I don't think you should ever take them. Yeah, they'll never fully replace them. Yeah, but it's, again, if you say something that sounds so controversial for the time, you're gonna get a lot of attention. Okay, I'll give you guys a great example. In the 90s, okay, so, you know, last century, right? The 90s. In the 90s, it was common knowledge. And when I say common knowledge, I mean it was commonly accepted, not necessarily true, but commonly accepted that low fat diets were the way to go to lose weight. That's what we were preached to. It's what the FDA told us. It's what we learned in school. And it was the perfect timing for Atkins to come out with his low carb Atkins diet. Now had Atkins come out today, he wouldn't have sold nearly as many books because we've heard low carb so many times.  And he exploded. So what this guy's is doing is he's coming out and saying weightlifting is a waste of time. Get some attention. Now do this thing. But that premise is false. It's not a waste of time. Did you agree? Decades are century. What? You said century. The last century. Oh, there we can see. 1900s. Oh, okay. Last century. I really started ramping up his case for this because now everybody has to train at home. And this was an opportunity to really be divisive with it. Oh, great point. Yeah, I'm sure it's exactly that. Yeah, right. What a great point. And right now, when everybody's having a hard time getting dumbbells. Yeah. You know, forget about all that. Yeah, you don't even need them. It's funny to me too. That's probably why he's making his rounds right now. Because again, it was at least a year, if not two years ago, I was getting tagged on this guy's stuff. And I just laughed about it. Everybody was just like, yeah, whatever. I'll tell you what though. It's funny to me because from, okay, so from what I've read, I think it's a, maybe Doug can look it up. I think his piece of equipment is 500 bucks. For 500 bucks. 500 dollars? If I'm not mistaken. Really? Maybe Doug can look it up just to confirm. Let me see. I thought I heard Ben say that it has like a barbell that fits in your suitcase attached to it. So I remember it being like this little plate that you had like a band and then like an aluminum looking bar that was attached to it. Yeah, there you go. How much is it, Doug? 549.   All right, so hold on a second. So let's just say you had 550 bucks to spend on equipment. You could buy a pair of dumbbells, an adjustable bench, and you would probably have what, $400, maybe left in your bank account, and you would have pieces of equipment that are more versatile than that. You know what I'm saying? Like dumbbells and a bench, adjustable bench don't take up that much space. Now the benefit of bands is that it does take up a lot of space. Yeah, there it is. Wow. And it comes with four bands. Yeah, this dude was like so jacked before. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. Like, okay, sure, if you've put 30 years under the iron, and then you decide, you know, hey, I'm 60 now, I just want to do band work for the rest of my life, and I've got good technique. I've already got the muscle memory going on here. Like, okay, maybe, I don't know. Still think it's inferior, but I mean, that $549 is straight laughable, dude. No, that's crazy. For some bands? No, I'll tell you what.  I think that would be your best investment. When it comes to training your body, your best bet, if you want great results, you want to build muscle, you want to burn body fat, you want to do well. Number one, the programming has to be great. The tool doesn't matter as much as the programming. So you have to have good workout programming. But then on top of that, free weights are great. Bands have some value. Machines also have some value. And body weight exercises have some value. Don't throw things out because of some marketing. All those things have lots of value. And free weights are near the top. And don't get sold either on any one of those things just simply because you could take any of those things you just listed off and show a six-week study and show how amazing it is. That's right. Everything in a small window like that's going to look amazing. Put an X3 bar guy or rubber band guy here against another guy for four years. One guy gets to use weight training. One guy gets to use that. They're both at starting point and see what show me the body afterwards. Exactly. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come find us on YouTube, Mind Pump podcast. You can also find all of us on social media that includes Instagram and also now on Parler. You can find Justin at Mind Pump, Justin, me at Mind Pump, Sal, Adam at Mind Pump, Adam and Doug at Mind Pump, Doug. Now, this doesn't mean that your body won't look different, by the way. The scale might say this. Yeah. Excellent. How long have you been listening to the show? Different because muscle is much more dense than fat. Oh, awesome. Now, who is your least favorite host and why is it Justin? Why do you always open with that? I'm afraid you're going to ask me something like that. I'll let you answer that.