Hey there friends, thanks for checking in. Today we're looking at the SAR P8L. Full size, nine millimeter handgun, all steel frame and a nice shooter. I've taken it to the range already and I was thoroughly impressed with the way it performed. SAR USA made their mark. I think they did with the SAR 9. Budget nine millimeter handgun. A lot of people picked this up during the COVID days and all that and they got back with me and said they really enjoy this handgun. It became extremely well known and then about a year and a half ago they came out with the P8L. They also make this with a stainless slide as well as a P8S for short with a 3.8 inch barrel. This has a 4.6 inch barrel and they kept it budget priced right around 529. That's what I paid for it at guns.com and if you go with this you'll get a plastic case with the manual. 217 round mags, a bore brush, a rod, a tool and everything you need to take apart the handgun. But I actually think it's very cool. Now it does align well with the CZ-SPO1 feature-wise anyways and we're going to check that out. But I already mentioned 217 round magazines. You can see it has some lightning cuts in the slide as well as it has a ported barrel. So the shooting is extremely soft especially with a heavy gun like this. The shooting is very soft anyways but you add that to it and it's like nothing. Like seriously, it's like shooting a 22. It does have rubber grips there. Nice solid feel on the pistol. Double action, single action. The sights are three dot. Rear adjustable sight, pinned in front. They say this is interchangeable. I'm not sure what it's interchangeable with but I imagine you could throw a night sight on there and a solid shooting handgun. Does have a thumb safety here. Okay, for those that want to carry cocked and locked it will lock up the trigger and then just like that you're good to go. Now the trigger I am measuring at four and a half pounds in single action which is actually it's the same as the CZ SP01. In so many ways this gun is very similar including the reset, right? Their double action pull is very heavy as expected but a solid pistol. There's no question about that. And I really do think, sorry USA, they are onto some things here because they are putting out some nice handguns. I mentioned the CZ SP01. Here it is, this also has rubber grip 4.6 inch barrel. This has a rail, the P8L does not. This has some forward serrations. This has vents in the lightning cuts in the slide. But the one thing that people should know is that this has an 18 round mag and it will work just fine. So we could say for all intents and purposes that this is a CZ copy like so many other manufacturers have done. They copied the CZ handguns and the weight is similar as well. This is a little bit lighter and I have to credit that to the lightning cuts in the slide. Let's go ahead and get it on the scale. It has performed very well as I expected. It's unloaded weight. You're looking at two pounds, six and five eighths ounces. You move that to just ounces. 38 and a half, 38, five eighths, same deal. Here are 18 rounds, 46 and an eighth ounce.  Let's put the CZ SP01 on there, 48 and a half. So a little bit lighter. I have to credit that weight difference to the lightning cuts, most likely. But it also breaks down just like a CZ. It has that indentation in the slide and the frame. All you have to do is align those, pull the slide back just a little bit. I can try to push it out with my finger but it is extremely tight. And you've seen this before, you used the bottom of the mag and push it out just a little bit to remove that pin.  And there is your slide. Very nice, hang on, I'm happy with it. I figured I would be, I didn't expect any issues. I was shooting 124 grain nato loads with it, which is a good thing to do with many of these foreign made pistols. Pull it back like this and push it in. Breaks down like the CZ SP01, kind of looks the same as the SP01, both very heavy. Am I saying it's better than this? Nope, not saying that at all. I've had this a long time now. I just picked this up and I'm pretty happy with it. Overall, it's got a very nice feel, nice shooting impressions. I like the 17 rounds. I like the idea that you could use CZ mags. I've got a ton of those. I've got some Metgar mags that I think are 20 rounds. So that offers some options with this handgun. But I think Siren's on to something here. I think they're doing a great job and they are getting the attention needed in the gun world to really showcase their handguns. And I think this P8L is doing the trick for many people. You can see the trigger is very much rounded, easy disassemble and overall nice feel and shooting impression. So there it is. I plan to do more with this, take it to the range, perhaps some comparisons and so forth. But the P8L is doing it for me so far. If you like videos like this, please subscribe. And sure, I always appreciate the thumbs up button. Thanks for watching and you guys be safe.


Hello everyone. I am delighted to join Canada's Hindu, Sikh, Jain and Buddhist communities to celebrate Diwali and Bandichor Divas. Tonight we gather to reflect on the triumph of good over evil and the power of knowledge over ignorance. As we light divas and share meals, we are reminded that Canada's unique diversity is a blessing. Diwali brings some of the world's great faiths together and celebrates our shared values of respect, inclusion and pluralism. Tonight, let us all recognize that we share a country that is strong not in spite of our differences, but because of them. On behalf of our family, Sophie and I wish you a very happy Diwali and Bandichor Divas.


CHAPTER 31 THE END I should require to write to the length of this book over again to do full justice by description to the difficulties and anxieties of the days that now followed. If it had not been thick weather all the time, I do not know how I should have fared, I am sure. I was between two fires, so to say, on the one side the French cruisers and privateers, and on the other side the ships of my own country, and particularly the revenue cutters and the sloops and the like cruising after the smugglers. As I knew that my relative could not be with me under four days, I steered out of sight of land into the middle of the channel, between the beachy head and the sane coast, and there dodged about under very small canvas, heartily grateful for the haze that shrouded the sea to within a mile of me. I scarcely closed my eyes in sleep, and though my worries were now of a very different kind from those which had wracked me on the ice, they were in their way to the full as tormenting. Every sail that loomed in the dinginess filled me with alarm. Several ships passed me close, and I could scarce breathe till they were out of sight. Indeed I lay skulking out upon that sea as if I was some common thief broken loose from jail. However it pleased heaven that I should manage to keep out of sight of those whom I most strenuously desired not to see. In the afternoon of the fourth day found the bokeh lying off beachy head, and I peering over the rail with a haggard face at the dark shadow of the land. It had been blowing and snowing all day. The seas ran short and spitefully. It was a dismal December afternoon, and the more sensibly disgusting to us who were fresh from several weeks of the balm and glory of the tropics. And yet I would not have exchanged it for a clear fine day for all that I was like to be worth. It was the most reasonable thing in the world that a vessel should be hoofed to in such somber weather, and so I was under no concern that our posture in this respect would excite suspicion, should we be described. The hours stole away one by one. Now and again a little coaster would pass, some hoi bound rest, a sloop for the Thames, a lager on some unguessable mission, all small ships oozing dark and damp out of the snow and mist and passing silently. I kept the land close aboard to be out of the way of the bigger craft, and held the vessel in the wind till it was necessary to reach our station. The three of us were mighty pensive and eager, staring incessantly with all our eyes, but it looked as if we were not to expect anything that day when the night put its darkness in the weather. Then as I foresaw a serious danger if the wind shifted into the south, and as I could not obtain a glimpse of a shore light, I resolved to bring up and ride till dawn. Long ago we had got the schooner's old anchors at the cat heads and the cables bent, so, lowering the mainsail and hauling down the stay foresail, we let fall the starboard anchor, and the ship came to a stand. I put the lead over the side that we might know if she dragged, hung the lantern on the forestay, and one on either quarter that our presence might be marked by my relative, should he be out in quest of us, and went below, leaving Cromwell to keep the look out. I was extremely fretful and anxious and had no patience to talk with Billy Pitt. There were too many risks, too many vague chances in this exploit to render contemplation of it tolerable. Suppose my relative should be dead, suppose Wilkinson should be robbed of his money, fall to the cutting of capers as a sailor newly delivered to the pleasures of the land with ten guinea in his pocket, get locked up for breaking the peace, blab of us in his cups and start the customs on our trail. There was no end to such conjectures, and I made myself so melancholy that I was fool enough to think that the treasure was no better than a curse, and that on the whole I was better off on the ice than here with the anchor in English ground and my native soil within Gunshon. I was up and about till midnight, and then being in the cabin and exhausted, I fell asleep across the table, and in that posture lay as one dead. Someone dragging at my arm with very little tenderness awoke me. I was in the midst of a dream of the schooner having been boarded by a party of French privateersmen, with Tassard at their head, and the roughness with which I was aroused was exactly calculated to extend into my waking the horror and grief of my sleep. I instantly sprang to my feet and saw Washington Cromwell. Mesa Rodney, he bowled. Mesa Rodney, the gent's long side, him and Wilkinson, yes, by the good Lord, days both here. They hail me, and I answer and say, who are you? And they say, are you de Boca? We am, I say, and they say. I had stood stupidly staring at him, but my full understanding coming to me on a sudden, I jumped to the ladder and darted on deck. I heard voices over the starboard side and ran there. It was not so dark, but that I could see the outline of a deal lugger. Whilst I was peering, the voice of my man Wilkinson cried out, on deck there. Cromwell, Billy, where's Mr. Rodney? Here I am, cried I. My God, Paul! exclaimed the voice of Mr. Mason. This encounter is fortunate indeed. I shouted to the negroes to show a light, and in a few minutes, Mr. Mason, Wilkinson and a couple of deal boatmen came over the side. I grasped my relative by both hands. I had not seen him for four years. This is good if you indeed, I cried, but you must be perished with the cold of that open boat. Come below at once. Come, Wilkinson, and you men. There's a fire in the cook room, and drink to warm us. And down I bundled in the wildest condition of excitement, followed by Mason and the others. My relative was warmly clad, and did not seem to suffer from the cold. He took me by the hand and brought me to the lantern light, and stood viewing me. I, said he, you are your old self, a bit worried looking, but that'll pass. Stout and burnt, odd's heart. Paul, if you have passed through the experiences Wilkinson has given me a sketch of, we must have your life, man. We must have your life, for the booksellers. While I need not detain you by reciting all the sub-villities and congratulations which he and I exchanged, he and Wilkinson had arrived at to deal at three o'clock that afternoon, and after a hurried meal had hired a lager and started at once for beachy head. It was now three o'clock in the morning, and what I may consider a truly extraordinary circumstance is that they had sailed as true a course for the schooner as if she had lain plain to the gaze at the very start, that since the night had drawn down they had met no vessel of any kind or description until they came up to us, that in all probability they would have run stem on into us if they had not seen our light, and that they're seeing our light had caused them to hail us, their ship Ahoy being instantly answered by Cromwell. Well, said I, there are stranger things to tell of than this even. Now Wilkinson, and you, Billy and Cromwell, get us a good supper and mix a proper bowl. How many more of you are there in the lager? Four, sir, says one of the boatmen. Then fetch as many as may safely leave the boat, said I. Billy, get candles and make a good light here. Throw in coal, boys, there's enough to carry us home. I saw Mason gazing curiously about him. Tis like a tail out of the Arabian night's paw, he exclaimed. I, said I, but written in bitter prose and no hint of enchantment anywhere. But thank God you are come. I've passed a dismal time of expectation, I promise you. I added softly. I have something secret. We will sup first man. I shall amaze you. We must talk apart presently. He bowed his head. Three more boatmen arrived, giving us the company of five of them. Soon there was a hearty sound of frying and a smell of good things upon the air. Pit put plates and glasses upon the cabin table. Two great bowls of punch were brewed, and in a little time we had all fallen too. I whispered Wilkinson, who sat next to me. These boatmen know nothing of our business. I shall have to take Mr. Mason apart and arrange with him. These fellows may not be fit for our service. Let no hint escape you. Right, sir, said he. This I said to disarm his suspicions. Should he see me talking alone with Mr. Mason? He entertained us with an account of his excursion to London, and then partly to appease the profound curiosity of the boatmen and partly to save time when I should come to confirm my relative. I gave them the story of my shipwreck and told how I had met with the schooner and how I had managed to escape with her. And now, Mason, said I, while star friends here empty these bowls, come you with me to the cook room. And with that we were quitted the cabin. Do you mean to tell me, Paul, was the first question my relative asked, that this vessel was on the ice eight and forty years? Yes, I replied. Surely you dream. I think not. What have we been eating and drinking? Is that forty-eight years old, too? I, an older. Well, such a thing shall make me credulous enough to duck old women for witches. But what brandy? What brandy? Never had spirit such a bouquet. Every pint is worth its weight in guineas to a rich man. To think of deal boatmen and niggers swelling such an actor. Mason, I said, speaking low, give me now your attention. In the run of the schooner are ten chests loaded with money and bars of silver and gold and jewelry. This vessel was a pirate and her people valued their booty at ninety to a hundred thousand pounds. His jaw fell. He stared as if he knew not whether it was he or I that was mad. Here is evidence that I speak the truth, said I, a little sample only, but look at it. And I put the pirate captain's watch into his hand. He eyed it as though he discredited the intelligence of his sight, turned it about, and returned it to me with a faint heaven preserve me. Then said he still faintly, you found some of the pirates alive? No. Who told you that the people of the vessel valued their plunder at that amount? I answered by giving him the story of the recovery of the Frenchman. He listened with a gaze of consternation. I saw how it was. He believed my sufferings had affected my reason. There is only one way to settle his mind. I took a lantern and asked him to follow me. As we passed through the cabin I whispered Wilkinson that I meant to show my relative the lading below and bade him keep the deal men about him. I had the keys of the chests in my pocket, lifting the after-hatch. We entered the lazarette, and Mason gazed about him with astonishment. But I was in too great a hurry to return to suffer him to idly stand and stare. I opened the second hatch and descended into the run, and crawling to the jewel chest opened it, removed a few of the small arms, and bade him look for himself. Incredible! Incredible! he cried. Is it possible? Is it possible? Well, to be sure! Ever some moments he could find no more to say, so amazed and confounded was he. I quickly showed him the gold and silver ingots, and then returned the firearms and locked the chests. These, said I emphatically, pointing to the cases, have been my difficulty, not the lading, though there is value there too. My crew know nothing of these chests, other value, I mean. They believe in cases of small arms. How am I to get them ashore? If I tell the truth, they will be seized as peradical plunder. If I equivocate, I may tumble into a pit of difficulties. I durst not carry them to the Thames, the river swarms with thieves, and custom-housed people. I am terrified to linger here, lest I be boarded and the duty discovered. There is but one plan, I think. We must hire some deal smugglers to run these chests and the cargo for us. The boat now alongside might serve, and I don't doubt the men are to be had at their own price. My relative had regained his wits, which the sight of the treasure had temporarily scattered, and surveyed me thoughtfully whilst I spoke, and then said, let us return to the fire. I think I have a better scheme than yours. The men still sat around the table talking. Some liquor yet lay in one of the bowls, and the fellows were happy enough. I smiled at Wilkinson as I passed, that he might suppose our inspection below very satisfactory, and I saw him look meaningly and pleasantly at Washington Cromwell, who sat with a laced hat on his head. Paul, said Mason, sitting down and folding his arms, your smuggling plan will not do. It would be the height of madness to trust those chests to the risks of running, and to the honesty of the rogues engaged in that business. What is to be done? Tell me your lading, said he. I gave it to him as accurately as I could. Why, he exclaimed, a single boat would take a long time to discharge you. Observe the perils. Several boats would mean a large number of men.  They would demand so much. You would have nothing left. And suppose they opened the chests. No, your scheme is worthless. What's to do then, in God's name? I'll tell you, he exclaimed, smiling with the complacency of a man who was a master of great fancy. I shall sail to Dover at once. It is now quarter past four. Give me twelve hours to make Dover. I shall post straight to London and be there by early morning. Now, Paul, attend you to this. Today is Wednesday. By tomorrow night you must contrive to bring your ship to an anchor off a barking level. The Thames, I cried. He nodded. I looked at him anxiously. He leaned to me putting his hand on my leg. I own a lighter, said he. She will be alongside of you at dusk. I have people of my own whom I can trust. The lighter will empty your hold and convey the lading to a ship chartered by me, arrived from the Black Sea on Sunday and lying in the pool. The stuff can be sold from the ship as it is. But the chests. The chests, Mason. They shall be lowered into another boat and taken ashore and put into a wagon waiting, eye and end, and driven to my home. I clapped him on the shoulder in a transport. Nobly schemed indeed, I cried. But have we nothing to fear from the customs people? No, not low down the river and at dark.  Mind it is dark when you anchor. A lighter and boat shall be awaiting you. It is down the river, you know, that all the lumpers drop with the lighters. They go adrift in from ships' sides. There's more safety in smuggling over Thames Mudd than on this coast shingle. One thought more. You say that Wilkinson believes the chest holds small arms? Yes. Then account to him for sending the chests away separately by saying that I have found a purchaser and that they are going to him direct. You have your cue. You see all. All. Let me hurry then, Paul.  You are in luck's way, Paul. See that you bring your ship tomorrow night. He clasped and rung my hand and ran into the cabin.  Put me ashore there smartly and you shall find your account. Off now, time presses. Five minutes afterwards the boat was gone. When fortune falls in love with a man she makes him a bountious mistress. Everything fell out as I could have desired. We got our anchor at five and by daybreak were off Hastings, jogging quietly towards London River. The weather conveniently obscure, the wind south and forty hours before us to do the run in. I exactly explained my relatives' scheme to Wilkinson and the others who declared themselves perfectly satisfied. Wilkinson adding that though he had not objected to the deal smuggling project he throughout considered the risk too heavy to adventure. I told them that Mr. Mason believed he could immediately find a purchaser for the small arms, in which case they would have to be sent to privately for and to give a proper color to this ruse I made them pack away all the remaining weapons in the arms room and carry them to the run ready to be taken with the other chests. Once fairly around the four lands half my anxieties fell from me. There was no longer the French cruiser or privateer to be feared and however wonderingly the people of my own country's vessels might stare at the uncommon figure of my schooner they could find no excuse to board us. Besides as I have said I was greatly helped by the plunder which continuing hazy though happily never so thick as to oblige me to stop, delivered me to the sight only of such vessels as past close and offered me as a mere smudge to the shore. We arrived off barking level on the Thursday night and dropped anchor close to a lighter that lay there with a large boat hanging by her. It was then very dark. The first person to come on board was Mason. He was followed by several men one of whom he introduced to me as his head clerk who would see to the unloading of the schooner and to the trans shipment of the goods to the ship in the pool. He informed me that there was a covered van waiting on the shore and telling Wilkinson that the small arms had been disposed of and that Mr. Mason would hand over the proceeds on our calling and his office. I went with a party of my relatives men into the run and presently had the whole of the chests in the boat. Mason went with her. Then as she disappeared in the darkness but not till then did I draw the first easy breath I had fetched since the hour of the collision of the laughing Mary with the iceberg. A sob shook me. I had gone through much. Many wonderful things had happened to me. I had been delivered from such perils at the mere recollection of them will stir my hair, though it is your sins. My duty I knew and I discharged it by withdrawing to my cabin and kneeling with humble and grateful heart before the throne of that being to whom I owed everything. End of Chapter 31 Chapter 32 of the Frozen Pirate This is a LibriVox recording All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org The Frozen Pirate by William Clark Russell Chapter 32 Post-Script Here concludes the remarkable narrative of Mr. Paul Rodney. It is to be wished that he had found the patience to tell us a little more. The circumstance of his dying in 1823 worth £31,000 leads me to suspect that his associate Tassar greatly exaggerated the value of the treasure. I am assured that he lived very quietly and that the lady he married who bore him two children both of whom died young was of an unlike simplicity of character and loved show and extravagance as little as her husband. Hence there is no reason to suppose that he squandered any portion of the fortune that had in the most extraordinary manner ever heard of falling into his hands. I have ascertained that he very substantially discharged the great obligation that his relative Mason laid him under and that his three men received £50,000 a piece. It is possible then that the pirates were themselves deceived that what they had taken to be gold or silver ingots were not all so. Or it might be that the case of jewellery was less valuable than the admiring and astonished eyes of a plain sailor who admits that he had never before seen such a sight, figured it. Be this however as it may, it is nevertheless certain, as proved by Mr. Rodney's last will and testament that he did uncommonly well out of his adventure on the ice. Whatever may be thought of his story of the Frenchman's restoration to life in other directions Mr. Rodney's accuracy seems unimpeachable. It is quite conceivable that a stoutly built vessel locked up in the ice and thickly glazed should continue in an excellent state of preservation for years. The confession of his superstitious fears exhibits honesty and candour. It is related that a Captain Warren, master of an English merchant ship, found a derelict in August 1775 that had long been ice-bound with her cabins filled with the bodies of the frozen crew. His own sailors however would not suffer him to search the vessel thoroughly through superstition and wished to leave her immediately. A pity they did not try their hands at thawing one of the poor fellows. The result might have kept Mr. Rodney's strange experience in countenance. Accounts of vast bodies of ice such as that which Mr. Rodney fell in with will be found in the South Atlantic directory. For instance, Sir James C. Ross crossed Weddell's track at latitude 65 degrees south and where he had found an open sea Ross found an ice-pack of an impassable character along which he sailed for 160 miles and again when only one degree beyond the track of Cook who had no occasion to enter the pack Ross was navigating among it for 56 days. But these appear insignificant when compared with a body of ice reputed to have been passed by 21 ships during the month of December 1854 and January, February, March and April 1855 from the South Atlantic from latitude 44 degrees south longitude 28 degrees west to latitude 40 degrees south longitude 20 degrees west. Its elevation in no case exceeded 300 feet. The first account of it was received from the Great Britain which in December 1854 was reported to have steamed 50 miles along the outer side of the longer shank. End quote. The ship was lost upon it others invade. The end. End of chapter 32 End of The Frozen Pirate by William Clark Russell


I call this meeting of the social equity subcommittee meeting to order. I'm Tom Alasko and I'll take role of the subcommittee members present at the meeting. Beginning with Gina Cranwinkle. Present. Jeff Gallegos. Present. Nika Scott. Present. Nara Sheen. Present. Ashley Reynolds. Present. David Sheer. There's no longer on the committee. Okay, that's okay. She's down to Davis. I think that's her wrong. And Lindsay Kirk. I'm not sure she's here or not. She's not going to be able to make it. And then... Julie in the room, can you tell me who is... Who do you go from the board? Oh, TJ's here. So, just me from the board and Nellie. And then it looks like TJ Donovan has joined us. He's replacing David Sheer on this committee. And Lindsay Curley is not able to join us today. And we have one member of the public. Two. Great, thank you. Two. Oh yeah, we have two. Sorry. I can't see who comes in behind me. Thank you. Paul. Thank you. So thank you, everyone, for your attendance, for all of you that have made the effort and have the interest to attend this subcommittee meeting. Since this is the first subcommittee meeting we have, I wanted to do brief, and I do mean brief, introductions for all the members of the subcommittee because we have a lot to do and discuss. Again, I'm Tom Alaska, I'm General Counsel for the National Association of Canada's Businesses at the NACB, which is a national trade organization specialized in increased standards and best practices. For the cannabis industry, our goals are to legitimize and elevate the growing cannabis marketplace. And part of the NACB's function consult with state legislators and regulators as we are doing with this engagement. My background is a 20 plus year attorney focusing mostly on commercial and business litigation. I've been in the cannabis space for about seven or eight years starting with partnership disputes in cannabis lawsuits that grew to compliance employment real estate issues. And serving on panels from the Arizona State Bar where I'm based out of and then panels throughout the country on issues like licensing, TUE, and social equity. So it's my privilege, NACB's privilege to help coordinate these various subcommittee meetings that we've had throughout today and will have going forward on Mondays and Thursdays and that help me create good policy for the state of Vermont. So before getting into the brief introductions for all the esteemed advisory subcommittee members, I wanted to introduce the members from the NACB that will be leading this group. Junie, do you want to say hello with a brief introduction? Hi, everyone. So excited to have you all here today and excited to be working on social equity for all of Vermont. Just a little background about myself. I've been with the NACB for about three and a half years now. I also teach at the City University of New York for over the past decade in public health and health sciences. I was also a Chief Operating Officer at a private wealth management company and truly very passionate about social equity. You know, we last year heard the cries of the Black Lives Matter movement and what we did as an organization was that we're going to show you how these laws matter and so we did a social equity model around it and we've done conferences and comparison analysis of what's happening in different states. This year we are trying to develop diversity, equity and inclusion centers in the workplace. We have just come up, we are coming up with an article right now about the aftermath of incarceration. So, you know, we live and breathe this all the time.  Thanks, Gina. Jeff, you want to say hello and maybe brief her intro? Yes, my name is Jeff Gallegos. I'm an attorney in Los Angeles, California focused on civil rights and teleadvocacy and public interest law and I'm a career musician as well and I'm thanks to be part of this part for social equity. Thank you, Jeff. Hi, I'm Danika Spatt. I lead marketing communications and strategic initiatives for NACB. I started in cannabis in 2018, primarily on cannabis banking and payments and I have been a career marketer and communicator for over 30 years. Thank you for allowing us to be here. We are grateful. Thanks, Danika. And now our advisory subcommittee members, Nader Hashim. Thank you. My name is Nader Hashim. I worked as a Vermont State Trooper for a little under eight years. During that time, I was a drug recognition expert and served on the fair in the Park of Solutions City. After about eight years, I was elected to public office, served in the Judiciary Committee on the House of Representatives and currently I'm working at a private law firm in Brattleboro. Thank you, Nader. Ashley Reynolds. Hey, guys. President Co-Founder of Elmer Mountain Therapeutics, full spectrum CV company here in Vermont are main missions and principles of the businesses creating safe access to cannabis, especially for women and mothers. I worked really hard in the beginning of starting this industry in Vermont to bring as many women into the industry as possible. Really lucky to see those same women that are still being successful today and extremely important to me to see social equity at the forefront of creating this brand new industry. Thank you. Thank you, Ashley. Senator Davis. Hi, I'm Winnes Southerly. I'm Susanna Davis, the Racial Equity Director for the State of Vermont. I am this role excited in agency of administration, but it is statewide, so I tend to collaborate with all the state agencies and the three branches of government, as well as local and federal partners. Before this, I was in New York City Government and the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. And before that, at the New York City Council as the Director of the Blackboard Communication Caucus. Thank you, Susanna. And thank you again, all of you, for your time and your service on the subcommittee. I know we have a few members of the public in the room with Julie as well. I want to make sure that everyone knows that every public comment can be submitted electronically via the web form on the CCP website and happens in May 2021. I want to ensure everyone that your comments have been received, reviewed and considered by each and every subcommittee member and we do appreciate your input. There will be time at the end of this meeting for public comments as it will be at the end of every meeting toward the end of the hour. And in addition, the CCB will be hosting dedicated meetings for public comments, both at the Friday Board Meeting via the public link or at the CCB's public comment evenings that will also be posted on the website. So your voids will be heard and considered, but we do have pressing deadlines on this, particularly for social equity. And it's critical that we can start the meeting. Tom, this is T.J. Donovan from Auditoring General. I think I'm a member of the social equity conference. Sorry, Dave. Dave shared and became the general counsel of the board. Good to see you. Good to see you. Sorry, I don't want to interrupt your introduction. Go ahead. T.J. Donovan from Auditoring General looks forward to working with you all. Thank you, T.J. Tom, before we get started, can everyone on the call see the screen that I am sharing the PowerPoint presentation? Okay, very good. And if anyone decides that we need to go back or anything, we can do that. I'm driving the bus. And I apologize I'm in T.J., I was just about to turn it over to Danika. And then again, Danika, if we could keep track of the time, leave at least 10 or 15 minutes towards the end for public comment. Thanks. Absolutely. I'll go straight to it. So the request was made to please give a summary of the public comments that have been received, so that is exactly what we're going to do. While I'm not going to read these aloud to everyone, you'll receive these afterwards, and they'll also be posted online. I've literally lost Ashley Reynolds, so there we go. He's joining us right now. Okay, fantastic. But the comments that did come in quickly are that equity and inclusion priority for the future adult market, of course vacating all Reynolds-Warner convictions, being a possession of distribution was another one that was heard, but a focus on PIPOC which stands of course for black indigenous people of color. That would be social equity applicants with something that was out there. They want people to stay engaged and have direct lines of communication with the board, which as Tom mentioned, many of those are able to be done through public meetings that are held. Also, someone posted about hosting more public meetings around social equity and social justice with experts including Minority for Medical Marijuana and the last prisoner project. One of the articles that Gina referenced that everyone know, NACB has done an article on one of the employees of the last prisoner project, Stephanie Shepard, that'll be coming out in October that surrounds the aftermath of incarceration as she was a convicted felon that's 10 years in prison. Also, someone offered some recommended reading. There is a link to the book Chasing the Screen, the first and last days of the war on drugs, and a minor summary was also given. There are different comments made since the CCB offered the ability to post public comments online. And for everyone who is either watching or in the room, if you'd like to make public comments, you may do so directly from the CCB's website. This will also be available once this recording is posted as this deck will also be out online. Thank you, Tom. Okay, thank you. Take it over. I can or I can most certainly turn it over to Gina or Jeffrey to talk about the purpose of the social equity subcommittee. Gina, Jeffrey, if one of you guys would like to take it, please feel free or I'm happy to do so. So, I'll take that over. Thank you, Janita. So we just first wanted to go over what the purpose of the social equity subcommittee borders all that. And this is really on how do we rectify a wrong for those who were disproportionately impacted on the war on drugs, specifically for Vermont. So there are things that we have to determine right now, which is coming up, to find and determine application criteria for Canada. We need to develop a plan to ensure participation within the industry. One of the things that I really want to note here, this is not just about getting people licenses. I want to think of strategic ways on how we can have an inclusive industry. How do we get people into starting fields or cultivation? How can we provide education to those who really want to come into, who are social equity candidates? And how do we provide ways to reduce or eliminate fees for licensees and that industry? So I will hand this off to Jeff Frey, who will go over the purpose of our social equity program, especially from a federal constitutional level and then be going into some of the laws that Vermont has already handled and some modeling that are out there that can give us a better understanding of social equity. So I'll hand this over to Jeff Frey. Thanks, Gina. So the overall purpose is from what I understand is a remedy for an injury. And so there's the basic purpose and we have NACB models posted online. You can go to the next slide. So here we go. Here's where Vermont legislation comes in. So the phrase social equity applicants, this is kind of really the only place that it comes up and it's not really clearly defined what a social equity applicant is in the statute. So part of the subcommittee's purpose is to come up with criteria for what that means. And part of the reason why it's important to identify the criteria is because one of the benefits as you can see from this section 13 to Act 62 is its access to this cannabis business development fund. And that's located in section 987, 988 of Title 7. That's kind of the detail of what the money is to be used for. But that's one of the benefits of being a social equity applicant. We go to the next slide. So here's so in reading the entire act the only place I could find that really tied what the legislature meant by social equity is this part right here. So real quickly we'll talk about the fees because that's one of our first deadlines is to find out how to reduce and eliminate fees. And then social equity in this if you look deeper in the section it identifies both an injury and the beneficiary of what social equity means. So the injury is disproportionately impacted by cannabis prohibition. And the beneficiaries are individuals from communities that have been injured and individuals that directly have been injured. And so I kind of like right now I'd like to ask Nodder who was a member of the Vermont legislature. So we're lucky to have some living breathing legislative history in the circle right now. When you were there did the legislature discuss what social equity meant? I mean we had extensive conversations about it and we did talk about social equity although that was not at the forefront. The primary thing we focused on in judiciary had to deal with traffic safety. That was one of them. But when it came to social equity we did often talk about expungement, the expungement type of thing. So am I correct in saying that the purpose of social equity is a remedy for an injury? Does that sound right? I would say it's part of it. A remedy for an injury in terms of social equity. I think it's also it also involves dealing with removing disparities and barriers when it comes to entering the sort of market or the sort of industry. I just want to make sure I'm not talking out of school. So let's go to the next slide. And here's another benefit for social equity applicants for individuals who have been historically disproportionately impacted by cannabis prohibition is access to this outreach and training and employment program provide economic opportunity. So we can go to the next slide. And then Gina if you would go through the NACP social equity model please. So this is what after doing the comparison analysis of social equity models in the different states that are available now we've determined that there are many things that we have to consider. For one is we disproportionately impacted areas. A lot of people have been viewing that as a number one concern where it's high incarceration rate low social economic background. And obviously these people have had a disadvantage and they've been highly targeted on the war on drugs. During our community outreach and the information that was provided to us we have realized that based on your social demographics there are some areas that have very high income and very low income who live right next to each other. So that is a very unique thing about Vermont and something that we will be addressing when we have to think of what the qualifications should be for a social equity license. And the next slide that I really want to bring you to is to really understand the difference between what is social equity and what is DUI. This was briefly mentioned by Jeffery just recently about what is social equity and I'm again not right. And the major difference is what is the individual disproportionately impacted by Canada's prohibition. Now if we can show some harm, you know people of color had higher rates of incarceration due to cannabis we can show that that was harm and that was impact. The same thing with lower social economic community. If we can then we have to go to the conclusion of are they historically unrepresented individuals and businesses and governments and societies. Now that would be considered to be diversity, equity and inclusion. Now one of the major things that we always have to look at is the judicial review in a social equity program. If we can not show that they have been harmed by Canada's prohibition you know we will have a big challenge if that ever gets to judicial review. So we want to make sure when we're enacting anything for the social equity program that we really have scrutiny tests. With that being said after our community outreach it does seem that Vermont is very insupportive of social equity and DEI. So my one recommendation to the board is to create both programs and have the subcommittee look at both characteristics and how will that look like. I would love to find out the subcommittee members feelings about that. And we'll talk about more about social equity in a few minutes. Ashley how do you feel about looking over both social equity and DEI? Honestly I think it's really comprehensive that we're tackling it in this manner. I've definitely had some constituents reach out to me from the as an active try and I feel like there's a lot that's being talked about for my community and I feel like there's one voice that we're not really discussing in Vermont than a lot of others and so I myself felt like I should have really brought that into my landscape when I was thinking about social equity for cannabis. That was another demographic I was thinking about so I just want to present that to you guys and to the board. And then if we're also thinking about creating diversity equity you know are we looking at you know a residency requirement for these licensees? Are we looking at you know you were talking Gina I guess about if we can't find this like to see if we can't create this perfect scenario to right the wrong now it's then what? So I find myself thinking I was really like sheer footed about being on this subcommittee and now I'm like well there's a lot of people I'm not thinking about or there's maybe people that I mean maybe are outside of the state thinking they want to come to the state to create that diversity so I don't have a good answer for you right now I'm still really getting information from what our constituents are really wanting from what I'm seeing as potential issues. For right and wrong in the state I was right reading through what some of the requirements are as they are laid out now certainly I like the idea of violent offenders you know I think that's or nonviolent offenders being expunged but seeing that the limit of the amount that someone was in possession when they were arrested is only two ounces I feel like I don't know anybody who's distributing and getting arrested for that that was only distributing two ounces so I feel like that's really an out of touch way to create any kind of expungement for the state of Vermont I've definitely first-hand seen family members and friends be put in jail for this plant in the state and ruin their lives and ruin their family's lives they happen to be white people but they're native Vermonters and I care deeply about expunging them I care deeply about creating space for them they know how to grow, they know how to care the families, they know how to pay taxes they know how to survive here in Vermont and have for many hundreds of generations of years and I want to make sure that those people's voices are heard but I don't know exactly how to do all that you know this is a big issue I'm going to glad that Vermonters are putting this at the top of their list but it's not like a lot of states that have legalized straight up it's not don't have the same diverse population and therefore this isn't as kind of black and white if you want to call it in those manners it's not it's not like that in the state and I just want to make sure that we're including Vermonters, real Vermonters as it sits today first I'm trying to create a market that all these people are here, all these people are ready but maybe not exactly the same level diversity that we're hoping for and you brought up a lot of great points Ashley I'll first press upon the question that you had about residency we have the same question and that is something that we will be discussing in the subcommittee group right now the social equity program which only has $500,000 that's allocated to it so far there potentially could be money coming in from integrated licenses and then there'll be funding once the industry is up and running but we have to make a distinction do we want to put a residency requirement on it so that we can ensure that it goes to people who have been in Vermont during the time period that we are speaking about and so we will definitely discuss that we will definitely go over social justice I know that there is concern about I think right now there's only one ounce that is being able to come off of now two ounces but exactly you're not being incarcerated for those levels and we really have to talk about how we get that off their sentencing how do we allow these people who have been injured because of the war on drugs that were in prison or are in prison for this what do we do how do we give them their life back so we will definitely be speaking about those issues and I do see Nader your hand up thank you I just wanted to throw in one piece of information that I think is important to consider which is that when we're looking at the residency requirements you know Vermont has I don't have the numbers right in front of me but Vermont has a rapidly growing minority population especially in Wyndham County the southeast corner of Vermont and I think that we just want to I just want to advise that we should give some pretty good consideration as to what the residency requirements will be because that is something that will affect primarily five box people around Vermont just want to throw that out there I agree with you I wanted to second that to you I was brought up to one of my questions as well it's like okay you make the residency requirement really you know two years five years then the tiny pool is even pioneer that we have to create the right side of the rock so I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt don't worry interrupt as many times as you want that's how ideas flow I'm TJ I would love to hear from you and your thoughts on that thanks Gina I agree with what I think Ashley said about the complexity of this I like the idea of being as broad and as inclusive as we can to the point data made about making sure that we're acknowledging folks that are coming to Vermont and it's complex and I think disappointed to hear that the fund only has $500,000 in it you know the access to capital is a big part of this we need to discuss that so I appreciate I think what you laid out in terms of the differences of social equity that I'd like to frame the remedies to to address the harm but I also it sounds like the diversity and inclusion equity would be much more broad and inclusive in terms of creating that pool of applicants but this is I think Ashley is right Vermont is it's a complex place and I want to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to participate in this you know the expungement issue you know I'm happy to make sure that we have a legislative proposal for January that I gave share window this off the top of this head I don't know it but so the expungement is only to one ounce or less right now on the possession so it's automatic for the one ounce or less you can get any possession amount expunged if you apply okay so is there any marijuana conviction that is not expungable anymore yeah all the all the selling feeling is still not expungement eligible and also any one with violence correct violence or a gun or any sort of weapon is that correct David and you know when you're just talking about possession that wouldn't really play into it and there's no like possession offense that also takes into account you know possession of a weapon or something like that there's other rules around expungement for other offenses you may have gotten that may make it hard or impossible to expunge the possession offense but taking possession by itself it's just any possession amount can be expunged I agree with you TJ in all of your points that you've made one of the things that I would like to say is that we want to make sure that you know the social equity which was supposed to go for grants, loans and you know education that we still hold it for those social equity applicants and you know see you know with diversity equity inclusion what other funds are available for them you know I think you know we definitely need to be to the cannabis control board about this so we can go further and see can we be more inclusive and I think that we also need to take steps with working the banks and seeing you know you know state banks how can we get low interest loans for them so maybe we're subsidizing the loan instead of you know just giving out a grant because at the end of the day we still are dividing this and it will come forward you know it's $10,000 really going to make any substantial difference and it's not going to be but I will say that I have a couple of ideas that we that will make this an interesting way on how to be able to help the social equity licensee and I think we just really need to get think outside the box and that's the great thing about Ramon you're really a small state you have more flexibility which these larger states wouldn't be able to do Susana can I do you have any comments that you would like to add and how do you feel about social equity in DEI program I feel really good about social equity so yeah I mean I'm listening to everybody that's being said and I agree with a lot of it I also have a hesitation about residency requirements we have a lot of people who don't live in Ramon simply because they were pushed out or because of the sense of I'm going to be discriminated against or have been discriminated against and so to some extent we implement a residency requirement that's too stringent and we're effectively rewarding people so I would just consider that and again on the topic of whether or not we should consider funding amounts I mean I'm somebody who strongly believes that government at all levels has money and that if we want to move the needle and really make meaningful change then it's going to require us coming it's going to require that we feel it and not just do the easy loss thing because it certainly came at a great cost to have the policies we've had on the books for this many years now so we talked about a whole lot and at this point I've forgotten the earlier part of the conversation but so far I like what I'm hearing there's anything specific you want me to draft I couldn't keep all the thoughts together at once and do you support this committee looking at a social equity and a DEI program? Oh absolutely yeah because I think we're talking about multiple tracks one is about percentage or proportion of representation not just in markets but in society in general and then the other trap is really reparation of harm or correcting harm and the question of course for us is harm that was just inflicted by or in Vermont or harm across the nation as a whole and that's another question that we can get to but I do think that they can be distinguished in different tracks and it's really worth exploring Thank you so much for your comments Susanna that is really important Stephanie? Yeah I kind of wanted to go on what Susanna was just saying about having two different tracks so one of the challenges that have come up I'm glad this slide is still up because from different states we've gotten sued over this you know someone feels left out and they'll bring a lawsuit saying that the law is unconstitutional and then the court will have to review it based on a series of three different hurdles and so the strict scrutiny test is the highest hurdle that a law will have to overcome to be deemed constitutional and so as we're entering the process to have this concept in mind to identify the compelling government interest which like from earlier so earlier is establishing the social equity program as the remedy and then the DDI is a different track so it's focused on like the social equity injury part is the compelling government interest is repairing that injury and then after you identify the interest you have to narrowly tailor the law so that it accomplishes that government interest and so for Vermont and also I'm glad we have a person who's got experience in law enforcement because we need to ask the questions of like what how did cannabis prohibition go about in Vermont and so the statute uses the words cannabis prohibition not war on drugs and so it's focused on cannabis but identify what a normal impact is and identify what a disproportionate impact is and then the people that have been just people in communities I should say have been disproportionately impacted are the ones that qualify for the remedy and so another thought too is we're going through this conversation is to identify what communities mean is it a geographic location is it a group of people and so that seems to be kind of another topic that you know for Vermont a geographical approach like some other states have taken may not be the best way to go and so just as we're entering the process just have in mind that if something happens and that the law is challenged that we'll be able to clear that high hurdle of the streets for reasons I think we can go to the next slide for that and I just want to add to that you know that is something that we're going to discuss on Monday you know who is a social equity candidate who would be a diversity equity inclusion candidate so you know just keep that in mind over this weekend when you're thinking about it but I also just want to piggyback on what Jeffrey said a lot of states have tried to include so many people and they have had a lawsuit because they then can't show harm that has been done by the prohibition of Canada so we don't want to get into that situation as well and later I just wanted to know if you would like to add anything I know you made a comment earlier but do you have any additional about this one topic nothing specific I mean I'm in support of creating these two different pathways and I think it speaks to the conversation that Jeff and I had earlier regarding social equity where it's not just a harm that's been caused to somebody but also a dealing with barriers and hurdles that different communities face when they're trying to get into this industry how has Vermont law enforcement approached Canada's approach well that's a really large question I mean I can't speak for every agency I can describe my time when I was a trooper when it comes to Canada's prohibition from that inside cultural standpoint with the Vermont State Police the police who did drug addiction were mostly seen we're often seen as the ones who were on that hierarchy of being a good trooper and so you know the more drugs you got out of a car the better of a trooper you were seen as some of your peers and you know when it came to drug addiction and DUI addiction those were the major points when it came to you know getting promotions or getting on special teams and that sort of thing so drug addiction was seen so there was an incentive to enforce definitely there was also an incentive to not mess it up and not do it if you don't know what you're doing because messing up drug addiction is the and then it's actually to throw out for the people that are watching in the public that want to comment if you can share thoughts about what the impact has been for citizens of Vermont with the Canada's prohibition that's information that will help the subcommittee as well I think I can thank you Nader for that information welcome and we've spoken about this slide it's a strict scrutiny test that when this gets the traditional review that's what we're going to be looking for how can we show injury and the things that we need to focus on is what happened during Canada's prohibition what was that impact to people and or different groups is this an individual is this community that we're going to be looking at and you guys have a good question in terms of the injuries and the prohibition is there a time frame in which we're looking at in terms of the lens 30 years this is the last 40 years because the criminal justice system while not perfect has evolved particularly in the last 10 years even with prohibition and not to get too much of the weeds you're going to have very different approaches because law enforcement is it's a local control issue it's a county based system and so you get a lot of disparity based on the county and so I'm just wondering as we frame this are we looking at it over the what is the time frame we're looking at I love that the prohibition of cannabis has evolved since 1937 and so there's like I look at cannabis prohibitions like three kind of phases so there's the 1937 marijuana tax act there's the controlled substances act in 1970 and then there's the cannabis crime bill of 1994 and then as you said Mr. Attorney General about how the enforcement has changed over the last 10 years so thinking about who's going to be joining the market now would probably be people that have been that were impacted starting around between controlled substances act and crime bill of 1994 thank you that's very helpful for me to frame this to think about those who have been impacted because I do think the last 10 years particularly in some parts of Vermont it's been essentially even before decriminalization it was de facto decriminalized through diversion programs but that was not consistent on a statewide basis and again we can get into the complexity but I appreciate Jeffrey the framing the time framing of this because that's helpful for me to think about that well I think it's helpful what you just said about measuring the impact too because the impact has changed over the years and so what is disproportionate and what is a normal impact or what is a life impact so thought for the subcommittee sorry to step in Gina we're about five minutes until we need to start taking some public we're going to be wrapping up shortly Jeffrey if you can go over the proposed bill Vermont's age 414 and this gives us the best information of what a disproportionate impact area is so this goes back to what I was saying earlier about what does communities mean for Vermont is communities a geographical location or is community something more underlying and so this proposed legislation from Vermont is similar to what we see in other states which kind of identifies a geographical area and here's a criteria that can define the area is you know the what an opportunity zone is, a census tract poverty rate SNAP assistance and the high rates of arrest, conviction and incarceration related to cannabis this one is in the works right now in the Vermont legislature but it looks to me like this is more focused on a geographical thing so that's something for the subcommittee do we want to go into geographical classification or do you want to go into what does community mean in Vermont and is it limited to geography as well as the idea of this slide yes and we're just going to end this on really what our upcoming priorities are we need to define what social equity is who is that potentially that licensee or that candidate as Stephanie has just said is that a geographical location or is it just groups of people we also have to consider about you know these DEI programs do we create these two separate programs how do we reduce or eliminate licensing fees and how do you know one of the things that I will also want to think about is how do we ensure an inclusive industry so how can we get people into other positions within the job and not even you know do we you know promote for minority companies vendors you know can we supply things to that do we support minority products you know other ways that we can really create an inclusive environment that may not touch any that may not actually work in the industry but for very businesses for the industry any comments before we get to public comments yeah let's just say something Gina what you just said as far as the inclusive part of it this more goes into the licensing priorities in section 903 A1 through 5 in the Vermont statute is that a business plan I think it's A3 a business plan that is inclusive can get you ahead in the line for like and that they are deeming as a social equity potential candidate if you can hire 51% of social equity candidates as for your business so those are also inventive ways of how we can get more candidates into the industry any comments before we move on for public comments okay thank you I'll hand it over to you Tom thank you Julie I know we have some some in-person attendees do they have any questions for the subcommittee no no public comments this time thank you Gina and Jeff I'll let you jump in if you have some closing comments I had a couple thoughts for the committee to help steer it but if we have more if you guys have more to say I want to give you that opportunity no Tom go first sure I was I was scribbling down just a couple thoughts on what it is to start obviously this is a big topic it's a big aspirational topic and it started I'll just start with some broad brush strokes obviously last summer this spurned on a lot of programs some of them were in existence but a lot of them developed then and there's been very success across the country and people wanted to be these programs you know not unlike the discussion today include everyone let's figure out how to do this and you're reading a lot about how a lot of programs aren't meeting up to those lost expectations so there is that element out there and there will be that struggle with this committee about how to achieve all this and how to make it a success program and what has been said a lot of it is going to come to how much capitalization can you help these applicants with because that's just the reality of the cannabis industry right now it's not cheap to make it but a couple things that were said as far as the residency requirement that's pretty standard across the different states and I hear you on why you want to get rid of it but just consider this one of the reasons that it's in there the primary reason I think is to keep out the MSOs so just realize the other side of what you're doing maybe some unintended consequences of you discarding the residency requirement because you will just be opening the door to some actors out there that you may not want to be doing that for the second thing is what is MSOs for those in the multi-state operators those are the big players out there and some of the concerns and the dangers of the social equity program is that those players will come in and partner with a true social equity applicant and then take over that license and that's what's happening today across the country the second thing and this is more of a broad concept is when Jeff and Gina were talking about the constitutionality challenges to social equity programs and this goes all the way back to for the lawyers or even non-lawyers there have been constitutional challenges going back as far as affirmative action and a lot of those racially based programs those exist certainly within the cannabis industry specifically with social equity programs and there is straight language from some of the states I'm not saying this will happen in Vermont but you should be aware of the dangers of it and I'll just read you from this case and this is from Ohio this is the most famous one that's found unconstitutional while remedying the present effects of past discrimination can be a compelling state interest and that's the strict scrutiny part of the strict scrutiny test that Jeff was talking about while that can be a compelling interest because they had as part of their social equity program racial elements to it the state does not have does not have a compelling interest in remedying generalized societal discrimination which is what people usually talk about when they're talking about a social equity program so what we have with the Vermont legislation and I'm aware of it you have they're saying well we need to give preferences and I've even seen a quote from the governor about this preference for social equity and they combined into that preferences for social equity and the other underrepresented groups the DEI groups that you're talking about and you can try and parse it out into different programs social equity and DEI but when I'm looking at this and I'm happy to take any other analysis of this because I know there's folks with experience with this but I think both those programs fall under the same scrutiny that you know a social equity program would and I don't know how you could distinguish from one another the other thing that is looked at heavily in these cases I think it was kind of addressed in the slides is when you're trying to remedy that past discrimination courts did not accept even data or evidence from other states or the ACLU it's what have had this state done to study that and so what we've talked about I think before this group is what studies, what information is out there to determine how you're going to define that social equity applicant and that DIA section there needs to be some evidence you have backed up about what the impact was from cannabis prohibition and that should, I think in my mind we moved to kind of the forefront on the study of what that is this is for your social equity program and I know that you're walking on the path of the social equity and the DEI program which I think is both subject to that same constitutional scrutiny but I probably talked long enough about those thoughts does that make sense to everyone? Todd it makes sense to me yes I would ask and Dave I don't know if you can do this but can we get a one pager on just the law really summarizing Tom what you just said on that Ohio case and others to really understand the distinction the complexity that you just outlined I think about that and read this quote from I guess Forbes this is our challenge we need to do our homework here in Vermont and get our data ready so we can make an argument so we can defend hopefully a social equity program that is broad and inclusive and provides opportunity to the folks that we intended to but as we know as lawyers we can have the evidence yeah and I can I'm happy to email you to Dave again that's one court in one state but just be aware of the risks so one of our challenges is that we do not have a disproportionately impacted report but I know the cannabis control board and other departments are trying to get that information and reports that we need in order to verify our information and if you know of any reports out there that can help us support our social equity applicants that would be tremendously helpful from that so social equity isn't so easy after all you know there's a lot that really goes into this and you know with these challenges we're going to try to make the best decision possible and really try to create a really inclusive industry or we'll say you know everybody in Vermont needs to be very supportive of these programs so I'm really really happy to do that do we have any comments or questions before we leave this session well thank you everyone I'm going to move to adjourn we've got the next meeting starting in three minutes if I can get a second we will join everyone again on Monday second thank you


WREXY NO! Where's Wrexy out? Can you get out? Like can you actually... Oh no. Oh no! Oh no! WREXY OUT! Oh no! Hello everybody and welcome to Jurassic World in Minecraft where finally, FINALLY, they've changed the settings so that now the audio or the music is not on the same layer as the flipping sound! So I don't have to now like put in all the dinosaur sound effects that you've heard in all the previous videos. Yeah! That's right! I put all those in! I want to shoot myself! So welcome back everybody of week of action packed video for you today! What we are going to do however is make some hybrids! The first off, I need to find my helicopter. Ah there it is. METPLASHLASS! Here we go! No! Never mind! Nope! Just the music wasn't playing before. Fantastic! They didn't fix that. Woo! Look at all this! This is so cool! So we got some things to check out guys! I, apparently you guys told me that the visitor center, the old visitor center, is all the way over here. Oh! That's the mini-avery I made! Ah! Now it makes sense! I was wondering what this building was, but however there was one thing you guys told me to check out! And that is the gyrosphere and in the gyrosphere enclosure there is hidden DNA! Yeah! I can see it already!  There it is! Ha ha ha! Oh god! You thought you could hold on on me!  Woo! Oh wow! I've got a lot of golf balls! Ha ha ha! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Is that in Kilosaur? Yeah! Kilosaur sample found! I think that's all of the DNA we've got now! No! It's the Camcretaceous easter egg again! That's so cool how they have this easter egg in here, even though like, the thing's not released yet, but they know! They made this for future, because these are the tree top things! Let's take the monorail back to the lab! Sada! I haven't done this in ages! This place has a helicopter on the top! It's fine! Please! Wait! Gallo my mister! Oh wait! You've just taken me to a place! Innovation! Wah! Wah! That is! That's a new kind of monorail I've never seen before! Jesus! Alright! We're enough of an emergency from this angle! Woohoo! Let's go! Hey John Hammond, how you doing? I really hate that man! I hope it's not me you're talking about! Okay, let's see! Oh, we're still missing one DNA! Ah! I wonder what that last DNA is? And where to find it? Well, you guys are very kind enough to tell me that actually, you want to see hybrids?  You're looking here! And look! You just have to scroll to like that last few pages! Indoor Raptors! Friggin' Indoor Raptors in here! It took me ages to work this out! Two Raptors, two T-Rex and two Culpish! We have Indominus Rex which we got from the Indominus Rex enclosure Stiggy Libre! Is that a new hybrid? We got the Omega Rex! Three T-Rex! Two Stiggy! Alright Callasaur! One Triceratops! The Simasophelesis! Three Paras! Two Gallies! Or Raptor Stiggy! And a herbivore! This is cool! Look at that! Venatotaurus! Spinosaurus and Stegosaur and Raptor! There was loads of different combinations! We got the Pluma Raptor! That's the thing that can be trained! And the Placid... Placidicere! Facinolath... What? Facidonathus?  An ic... An ic... Oh my god! What the heck is that? Turtle DNA! Oh no! Oh no! Are they still around this corner? Ah! Yes they are! I need to take care of these guys! I'm going to leave this up for a second! Nobody! Including you! I see you!  Look he's chipping out some amber! I see you!   Get down!  Jesus! Oh look! They're tiny! They're so cute! They're so cute! They're so precious! They have no sound though do they? Ha ha ha! It's so cool you can change it like that! Right Blue! Sorry I kept you in there! You have fun out here okay? I knew it! I knew you were running! He went straight for it! What about the blonde dude? Get on my arm! I'll use your DNA to make some dinosaurs! Ahhhh! I can't sedate you guys why not? Aye! Let me pick him up! Alright that's it! Get in the hand of God! There we go! Beautiful! Would you like a heart dog? She just sees one of these! I tried to capture them but it wasn't having it! We don't have any dinosaurs we've killed now! Too many to count! Okay let's make an interuptor shall we? Two velociraptor Two turex And two cuttlefish! Do I have cuttlefish in here? Well there's two cuttlefish so that's a cuttlefish done! There she is! And where's the raptor DNA? Ha ha ha! Yes! This'll be good! All we need to do is put it in here right? And then we get an interuptor? That simple? That quick? Bam! Done! What are you? What are you looking at? Get away! Get away! Cuttlefish? Cuttlefish Velociraptor? Velociraptor Turex And the final one! Will this make an interuptor? Interuptor embryo! Woo! Who made like different types of interuptors? Or is it just one interuptor? Okay we've done it! We've jumped films! We're not dressing world! We're a folding kingdom now! Interuptor embryo! Woo! This'll be interesting! There it is! Oh hey! Alright let's see! Let's see it shall we? Will it be deadly as soon as it hatches? I don't know! Here we go! Oh boy! Oh wow! They look so cool! Whoa! Oh my god! That's awesome! Oh baby! Close the door! Close the door! Why is the door not closing? Oh no! Now I'm closed in with it! No! Let's not want to want it! Oh no! Oh no! You're not supposed to be out here! This is not your place! Alright then! Here we go! Sedation time! Yeah! There we go! Oh my god! The amount of health that you have! No! Come back here! Now we have one more test to do! Where's interuptors? Oh look! There it is! It is part of the hybrids! Oh wow! Okay! Indoraptor! So many Indoraptor eggs! If we need to make an adult then we can dart it! Okay! So I'm going to close this door! There you go! There we go! Now... Well it's gone now! Anyway! So we're going to make the interuptor in here! Shazam! And then we're going to feed it! And it's going to get big! And then we're going to dart it!  Here we go! Oh wait! No we don't want that! We want the lamb chops! But I've got my dart ready! One... Two... Three... Four... Five... Six... Seven... Eight... Nine... Oh god! There it is! Okay! Getting the crate! Right now for my cunning plan! I need hot dogs! I think now it's about time we go visit the Indominus Rex! Masrani! I need the 10th helicopter! Can you give me one? Thank you! Right it's just over here! I think if I remember right! Over there! There it is! It's just helicopters! Or everywhere! Everywhere there's a helicopter! Oh there's the interuptor! Oh there's three helicopters here now! Just drop them in the ocean! I don't know what you want me to say! Okay let's have a look! Let's check in on Indominus Rex! I don't want to make these two fight each other and see who would win Indoraptor or Indominus Rex! What would you say is the best way we go about this eh? We're going to have to take the little entrance hatch? Okay! Very careful here! Oh the door is already open! Fantastic! Okay if we're somewhere... If we're somewhere sneaky it can't get us! Yeah! Here we go! You have to be by trees! As long as we're by trees Indominus Rex can't reach us!  Oh god that's too close! That's too close! That's too close! Okay here we go! Here we go! Okay Indoraptor! This is going to be interesting! You ready? Ready Indoraptor? Go! Run! Run! Oh Jesus! Indoraptor! Can Indoraptor not get to me? Oh god! Oh god! Oh Indoraptor is stuck! Oh! I got stuck in trees! Indoraptor Rex can't get to me here!  Okay hold on Indoraptor! There we go! There we go! Okay! Chop the tree! Chop the tree! Okay here we go! Is that enough? Are you free? Okay I'll delete this tree too! Indominus is here! Are you free now? There we go! We're going to stay again! Indoraptor Rex is over here! Oh god! No! No! Run! Run! Run! Oh yeah! Oh! It's after me! Okay! There's two Rebels! Yeah! Fight each other! Oh! There we go! Oh! There you go! Oh! They're fighting each other! Yes! Here we are! This is what we wanted to see! Whoa! Indoraptor Rex completely destroyed Indoraptor! Jesus! There was no fight in it! You have your answer folks! Indominus Rex would easy be able to beat Indoraptor! Maybe Indoraptor is too... Oh god! Look at it with its clever AI! Trying to work out how to get to me! No! Stop it! Let's make a run! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Oh yeah! That's right! I completely forgot! There's a place here we have still have never been to! The T-Rex Kingdom! Oh my god! I still haven't been here! Hold on! I need more disaster dogs! More disaster! Look! That's that grill that Delta got cooked on! Oh fantastic! Do I take damage if I go on it? Sector 1 security! Okay so this is it! This is the T-Rex Kingdom! This is the log! Ooh! Is Rexy in here? Oh she is! I want to say hello to Rexy! Smashing! Oh so this is where the goat gets placed down! And Rexy's over here for whatever reason! Hello guide! Welcome to T-Rex Kingdom! Where you can witness the power and majesty Queen of the Diren Lizards! This Tyrannosaurus Rex was rescued from the Enbridgement of Jurassic Park! People call her Rexy! You have a button for the goat? What you do? Oh look at her go! Oh that's so cool! Guys! What if we released Rexy and put an endominus Rex in like the main courtyard and re-created Jurassic World? Cause Blue's already there! Would they fight each other? Ooh! That would be interesting! Oh so this is a back alley! This is where you run with Paddock 9! Do you think Rexy would be able to get out if I opened the door? So this is Paddock 9 right? This is Paddock 9! This is a little... Where does this go? What does this do? I have no idea what those buttons do. Okay! And if I open this door... Oh god! He should come! He should come! Oh god! Oh wait! Wait does this open the gate for it? Did I click that? Would that open this gate? Oh it does! Rexy no! Where's Rexy out? Can you get out? Oh no! Oh guys! Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! Can we close this gate? Guys help! People run for your lives! She's coming! Oh no! Blue! Oh god! Oh there we go! We're safe! And mean to release Rexy! And we got Blue in here now too as well! Blue! Protect me Blue! Oh no! It's not open Blue! Can they... Can Rexy... Oh god!  I'm curious for science! I've never looked up at the innovation center! That looks cool! Hey Woo! Can I ask you a question? Alright guys you know the drill! Indoraptor down! Six lamb chops! One, two, three, four, five, six, seven? Okay load the dart! There we go! One more! Two more! Three more! Oh my god that took... Oh no! Gotcha! Bam! Oh can I see if you can take on Rexy? Indoraptor gonna get you! Oh hello! Right! Take on Indoraptor! Oh not me! Go for Rexy! Oh yeah there we go! Indoraptor can hurt Rexy! I did not realize that! Oh London!  You can't! Oh please don't! No you can't! Yeah Rexy wins! Would you like a hot dog? Let me just check my inventory. I got 12 of them. Ah! No! I have a hot dog! I have a hot dog! Oh you can! Blue can't be hurt but Rexy can! Oh! Okay so Rexy can kill... Indominus Rex! Oh sorry Indoraptor! But! Ooh that's interesting! I thought Rexy would be invincible! Maybe Rexy's just like the color variant of a T-Rex! Ooh that'd be interesting! Rexy can you take on the Mosasaur? Help! Help! Help! You look like you're having a great time! Sorry did I interrupt something? Well a T-Rex runs Main Street. Would you like a hot dog? Do you like it? It's kind of my thing. Ooh what can we build? An amphitheater or an aquarium? We can make an aquarium? Ooh! So we can put something in the aquarium? Oh let's have a look at what an amphitheater is. Oh we can go below! No way! No flipping way! No flipping way! Oh my god this is gorgeous! This is awesome! That's so cool! Are we able to get aquatic hybrids? I bet we are! We just chucked dinosaurs in there to drown. What about an amphitheater? Oh it's like a stage! Oh blue! Blue we can put on a show! For all zero people! Gotcha!  Yes you are! Rexy don't wake up! I told you not to do it! Stay away! Stay away Rexy! Oh this is so cool! I love this idea! Quick builds! Quick math! So we go through here. Is there a backstage? Oh there is! This is how you get onto the stage! Ha ha ha ha! Oh these are like the crates for holding dinosaurs and stuff! Oh that's awesome! And this is a gate! I don't know what though. I don't know what you're going to perform. You seem to be just walking into a wall at the back there. Rexy! Come on! Here she comes! Here she comes!  Rexy no! That's cheating! You can't get the advantage on it! Bam! Ha ha ha! That's not fair! So Rexy's got like two extra bites on the Indominus Rex. Oh they're going to wear each other off! Bam! Go Rexy! You got this! Oh I don't know! I don't know who's going to win! Oh Rexy missed! Rexy missed one! Can Rexy even be killed is the question? Oh Rexy killed the Indominus Rex! Wow then she killed me! Yeah you go! Look! Indoraptor's coming in as well! Ha ha ha ha! Okay! Very good! Very good! Very good! Is that a cage up there? I'd like to be up there! Indoraptor doesn't want to come in anymore! I'm not surprised! Close the gate! There we go! Just! That's one problem taking care of! Rexy's back in! Now! Just to take care of you! Isn't that right little princess? Don't make me put you back! Was that a crit or something? Oh it was! Well I think all of this calls for a celebration! I have become a literal god! So hold on! Can I just go indom? Oh my god! I can! If I just type in egg, do I get all the eggs? Eggs! Oh wow! So this is all the eggs! Bioluminescent Brachiosaur egg! Colourful Brachiosaur egg! Carnotaurus egg! Bioluminescent Copsulgnathus A regular Copsulgnathus Colourful Dolophysaur Apadasaur Brachiosaur Bioluminescent Carnotaurus egg Golden Leggings! Ah! Back baby! Alright guys! So we have pretty much all of the eggs! So first we place down a colourful Pteranodon Oh!  Oh that looks so cool! It's all green! And it makes like a freaking million and one noises at once! Wow! Okay! Alright! Let's look at a bioluminescent egg! Oooh! You see I don't know if that Pteranodon is copied off anything! I don't know what that is! I don't recognise that from any of the toy lines or anything! But okay! We'll keep you and you! How about a bioluminescent copy egg? Oh it's your baby! Next! Bioluminescent Morphodon egg! Oh yeah! That's definitely a toy! I think! I feel like I've seen that! That looks like a Mattel one! And this one! An Acasaurus! I don't even know what that is! This is one of the hybrids!  He's so slow! Bliss! Hold on! I want to feed that! Wait! I can ride it? No way! No way! You can ride this thing! Oh! It's like it's got seeds! That's why you can ride it! That looks so cool! It has so much health! Oh wow! That is brilliant! I love that! That's a really cool idea! Alright! So what else do we got? We got a bioluminescent! That's the icosaurus! Where's my claridon? Hello claridon! Nope! Oh yeah! It's in the water! Get out of the water!  I can't even realize! Oh! It looks like blues just programmed to always be always be tamed! Bioluminescent Bracastacosaurus! Woo! Let's make you big shall we? You look cool cute though! What do you look like? There we are! It's ginormous! Beautiful! And what about? Esimacosophus! Oh! Oh! It loves me! Oh! It can tame! Oh wait! Is that as big as you get? Training available! You can have... Hey! Copy!  Stop it! Yeah! Get him! Oh! The demorphidon get it! Oh my god! It's my own pet little parasaur! That's so sweet! Copy!  Try a bioluminescent achylusaur! Woo! Oh! That's a good size! That's a good size! I like how Main Street is just devolved into this! Ha ha ha ha! Bioluminescent Apatosaurus! Woo! Let's feed you nice and big as well! Come on! Yes! Massive! Are you going to follow me even if I fly? Oh! That's so sweet! Oh! We need to find a grassy area before we How about a Venatorus? A Venatorus! Woo! You've got to be herbivore right! Oh! Well! There it goes! Oh! That's... Is it going to eat people? Never mind if it's people! Ah! There it goes! I want an Armagorex! Ah! You look friendly! Let's... Oh wow!  Oh yeah! There it goes! Are you carnivorous though? Or can you not seem to get out? Ooh! He's like an armored thing! A Placidosaur! Oh! No! It is an... Oh! So this is what you need... Oh God! No! I've made more! I've made more! I'm so sorry! I made you to die! Oh! He uses a tail slap! Placidosaur! No! Oh! The turtle! My little babies! What's a fascinonathis? Oh my God! Is that a flying fish? Hello! It's just being bad about... Oh no! He's wapping him! Oh my God! Oh! The plumeraptor! Oh! And he's out of there! Fantastic! What's a plumeraptor? It's a feathered raptor! No way! Okay, come on! Keep eating! Oh! There you go! Training available!  Oh! That's adorable! I like how this thing that's got wings is not flying out! He's just sort of staying in here! Oh! Those two attacking each other! Oh! They are! Oh God! That looks hideous! This thing looks absolutely hideous! Jesus! I want the big pheropod to win! I want that big ankylos t-rex thing to win! Whoosh! Oh! He killed him! Oh! What a beautiful... No! The plumeraptor! Come with me! Plumeraptor! Come this way! Oh! He's in an enclosure! Oh! Never mind! He just killed a dude! Plumeraptor! Come on! Come on, baby! Actually, can we bring you to the lab? Yeah, come this way! Look who you do! He's so cute! Come this way!  Come on! Not you! What are you doing?  Oh my! Okay! Okay, did you just grow up? I swear to God, I thought I reached my limit with you! Okay! Well, there you go! Have fun in here, girl! That looks so cool! I even got the little sickle claw on the foot and everything! You can help with the lab stuff! Okay, so let's see! Is there any dinosaurs we still have not made? Stiggy Liberi? What's Stiggy Liberi? Oh! That's so cute! Oh my God! Okay, let's feed it! How big will it get?  What even are you?  You look so cute! Must we pot Parasrolophus? Is that the last one we needed? It was! Who's your cutie? Yes, you are! You're adorable! Although you're not trained though. I can't train you. Hopefully my plumeraptor does need you. I hope not. I can't tune dinosaurs just running around the lab! We're gonna leave that here, but if you've enjoyed today's episode leave a like and until next time! Bye bye!


Now let me ask you this question, pretend, I hope this is a stretch, pretend I'm a 30-year-old female and I own a condo, I've been working very hard, I've got a little bank account, etc., etc., I'm not married, I have no children, why would I ever want to set up a living trust? At 30 years of age, am I worried about passing away? No! It's the last thing I'm worried about. I'm worried about getting to Friday and then getting to the clubs. Anyway, why would a 30-year-old single female want to set up a living trust? Sure, that's the very practical answer, so she can determine where things go in half control. That's the perfect answer, but that's not the million-dollar answer. The million-dollar answer is she then marries a guy she thinks is a prince.  She's kept her assets properly managed in her single trust and followed some other basic rules. Is there commingling? No. So why would a 30-year-old female want to do a living trust? To protect her assets. To protect her assets, don't do a half-asset job.


Some girls playoff basketball action section 8a Red Lake taking on Blackduck. This was all warriors from the word go. First half already a big grace white. Feeds Alexis to Jarlie inside. The beautiful up and under finishing with the reverse. She had a game high 26. Red Lake up 15. Later it's White's turn. She cleans up the Sam Roy Miss inside. Finishes for two of her 20 points. Then White facilitating again cleaning up another missed shot dish to Danielle Seeky. She finishes the layup. Warriors led by 22 at the half. They go on to win by 21, 72, 251. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland news, please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


My name is Anton Zotin. I'm from Germany, but was born in Russia, in Siberia. I'm working in a here company. It's a part of a Nokia company. And today we will try to figure out, based on our real experience, how Kanban works. And I want to make a comment that this workshop will be extremely hand-on experience. So, please be prepared to be very active. I think that's a good time after lunch, not to fall into the food coma. And what also I want you to do, please come a little bit closer. You need to occupy eight tables, because we will have eight workstations. I don't know. I don't know. Please self-organize. So, I need eight tables, full of people. That's first. Second, I want to give you advice. Please clean your tables as much as possible, because everything that's now on your tables will be your waste. And it will limit your speed. How much you will be able to get? Eight tables. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Wonderful. Okay, please clean your tables. If you do not clean your tables, you will have some problems. Does any table need multi-members? Because maybe you will want to rearrange your resources. Yes, maybe you need more, or maybe you want to fire someone from your table. Okay, good. So, what we are going to do today? Today we will run a special business. We are eight companies that are producing animal...