If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this sexy episode. Ooh girl. Yeah. Hey there. I love it with Adam Six. You're always going through puberty with your voice. In the first 53 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We talk about BPC 157. BPC 157. That is not a droid. That is a peptide that Adam is experimenting with. Hopefully he grows a new Achilles from it. We talk about high dose turmeric and its effect on inflammation. How's trying to hustle that over. It's working. It's working. Look, we are sponsored by. Like this bottle only lasts to be a week brush. They also got great protein powders, plant based. We are sponsored by Organifi. If you go to organifi.com forward slash mind pump, you will get to the private mind pump page that they made for us. Enter the code mind pump. You'll get 20% off any products. We talked about higher carb and higher protein protocol because we're kind of trying to gain a little bit here at the studio. We talked about the convenience of butcher box. Butcher box delivers to your door, grass fed, high quality meats. Bring us home the beef.  I bring home the bacon for life.  Then we talk about Justin's weekend at the circus. Yeah. Good time. He also got massaged this weekend. Deep tissue nude massage. By another man. By a man. He was a little uncomfortable. Question things for a second. Very uncomfortable. We talked to him. Mostly because he liked it so much. I think it was the armpit thing. I was not okay with that. Made him curious. We talked about the free car scam and other slimy sales tactics. We talked about the dangers of tattoos. Uh-oh. Cry closets and the pluses and minuses of technology on the youth. And the long-term effects of mixing safe chemicals. Quote unquote. Then we get into the questions. The first question was this person is doing maps performance, getting pain in one of their shoulders with overhead pressing. They also have forward shoulders. What can they do to fix it? We talk about how to fix forward shoulders in this part of the episode. Maps prime. There you go. The next question was what are our thoughts on youth weight training? Like when is it too young to lift weights and will they stunt their growth? Next question was how do you balance intuitive eating when you're trying to build maximum muscle? You don't. Next question was we went easy on this one. We want to make sure we do the little fun one. What's the meaning of life? Like why are we here? Easy question. Yeah, because we know the answer to that. Yeah. And we talked about maps anywhere on sale, didn't we? 50% off? Yes. So I'm going to do that one again. Double commercial. Maps anywhere is 50% off all June. That means you have four days left. Go to mindpumpmedia.com, get maps anywhere, or look at our bundles, which are multiple maps, programs put together and discounted like 30% off. T-shirt time. And it's t-shirt time.  T-shirt time. Hit us with that t-shirt. 33 reviews. Whoa, because Sal told people how exactly. You got to tell him how to do it. Wow. And nine shirts are going out. So the winners are Chelsea McLean, McKinley Slade, the Rad Adman, Lacko, Mike Yato. Chapstick is better than lip gloss. Cinder Momo. I concur. Mini Chica and Tristan Given. All of you are winners. In the name I just read to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com send your shirt size, your shipping address. We'll get that right out to you. Man, I like this group.  You know what? What? That's weird. You say that. I was going to say the same thing about myself. Weird. I wasn't going to say that. Thank you for taking my thunder.  I think my testosterone levels are getting really high again. Are they? Yeah. You know what's great? You find yourself masturbating to weird things? Way more. Way more often. So I did blood work and I was like 100 over average. Over average with the blood work? Yeah. Was it free testosterone or total? Free. It was free? Yeah. Wait a second. You went and had another test? Yeah. This guy. Yeah. No, I was doing anyway. Whoa. Because of, I was trying to like see what the hell's going on because I was so tired all the time. What was the number that you had? I don't remember. It was like a 400 something out of, I don't know what the, whatever their scale is. Yeah, their scale, that's. Which is different. Yeah, but 400 is still kind of low. It's not high or it's not low. Low is like, so on that scale. You also said you brush your teeth before doing the E.M.  I want to do that test again is what I'm saying. You want to rematch? Yeah, I want to rematch. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm getting at. Well, I tell you what dude, my gut health is good. The protocol of the long fast has done such wonders on healing, being able to allow me to assimilate more food. Then I'm following map split. So I've got that combination because my gut health's better. I'm able to eat more starches and carbs, which we all know you're going to perform a little bit better when you lift, when you do that. And so I'm just feeling like my old self, like my girl yesterday, she's like, are you on anything that you're not telling me? Oh, wow. Which is like the old carbs. What a great compliment. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm like, no. This is natural. So I didn't tell you guys either that I just got my BP 157. Oh, you're doing that? You're doing the maybe one, right? What is that? Yeah. Is that some kind of droid? It's a peptide. It's a droid. Yeah. Ben Greenfield actually did a really good ride up on it. So would you get the powder and you got to mix it with the water? Yeah. It looks just like when you have HGH or HG. Is it injectable? Yeah. Yeah. Now you use it. This is a peptide for, we should probably tell the audience. No. I don't recommend that. It's like, well, gray market? No. It is. It's actually fine right now. It's legal right now. You can order it. But it's, there's rumors that it will become illegal, right? It's not going to be for, which I'm going to call it only. It causes brain cancer and like 30% of it now. Ben Greenfield did a great ride up on it. So people that are wondering more on it, it's for recovery though. So there you go. It's right there. Thank you, Doug. We can put it in the show notes. Jack, you can plug our point. BP, C157. In fact, if you actually Google BP157, Ben- BPC. What did I say? BP? BP. Yeah, BPC.  This one right here is for- Actually scroll down just a little bit. I hope you got the right one because you don't want to go bigger. You don't want to. We know you're already on the edge. No, I had a doctor friend set us up, so we're all good. What's the acronym stand for again? I don't think it stands for anything. Oh, it does? Yeah, it does. Scroll down a little bit and tell you what it stands for. Body Protecting Compound. There you go. They made that up. Body Protecting Compound. They made that up. It's Ben.  I think they just named it that because it's a peptide and then someone's like, what can we make BPC stand for? I know. Body Protecting Compound. So this stuff is supposed to accelerate healing of tissues, right? Yes. And do you inject at the site you want? Yeah, so that was my first little struggle. I did it yesterday.  Yeah, yeah. For your ankle? Yeah, yeah. Did you put it right in the Achilles? Yeah, I did. Actually, what was about it was all the scar tissue that I had in there.  So I'm going to have to like... Are you going down here up here near the muscle? The first one I did kind of like this mid, right? This like middle of my Achilles, right? But that's all. I've got a lot of scar tissue around there. So... Did you notice it was only one day? Yeah, it's only one day. So I don't notice. I don't notice anything yet. But I'm, you know, the idea is to take it every other day, right? So I'm taking it every other day. And I started it yesterday. So I'm excited. I'm excited to see, I mean, talking to one of our buddies and he was listening. Now these are compounds that aren't approved yet by the FDA. They're in study currently. It's a research chemical, which is why you can buy it. So if you're going to do something like this, you've got to really do your...   Right. You know, this is something I was completely unaware of this. Like this is not... I don't talk about like psalms and peptides and things like that. That I'm just... I don't know enough about it. So I avoid them at all costs. But two of our really good friends that are, you know, one of them is a doctor and the other one's brilliant have recommended this, including Ben Greenfield. I'm not even including Ben Greenfield. Ben has also recommended this to me. And so upon that, I've gone through and read all my own stuff on it and seems pretty safe. Seems like something that if I'm going to dabble in this, I feel... They come from gastric juice of... Like they find in the gastric juices of like rats or animals or something like that. Yeah. So there's the actual... You're looking at the exact compound right there up on the television screen.  Yeah. So... Oh, our own gastric juices make it. Okay, cool. So it's... Everything seems pretty... It seems up and up in comparison to any of these other things that these guys are doing. I'm like, okay, well, I'll dabble with this. I've also read that it's supposed to be good for the gut, for gut healing. Yeah. Yeah, they talk about that in there. He talks about this in this article right here too. So Ben does a really good job in this article. So I highly recommend the way he presents it. Like I think it even came on there with a calculator. Like I was able to use Ben's article to kind of figure out everything. To figure out what to do. Is it expensive? No. It was given to me. Now you're doing this, but you're also doing more anti-inflammatory protocols, right? You're not just doing that? I am. I'm also... I've also taken your advice and I've ramped up the loading of turmeric right now. So that's going on right now. You're doing what? Four twice a day? Loading phase. Four capsules twice a day? Eight? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, to eight total. So four in the morning, four in the evening I'm doing right now. I'm also back to my regular sauna time, which ours is an infrared sauna. So I'm back to that on a very regular basis. So I know we talked about testing all this stuff and then adding one variable. Like, I care too much about getting better than just to care that much. I'm going to try a handful of things that I believe have helped me or are working towards me getting my testosterone up. So for me, those are kind of the main things that I'm doing right now. We'll see what happens. I'm just going to connect to a stem cell doctor. That's the next one. Yeah. So expensive. I know. I could have somebody that knows somebody. Isn't that like $10,000? Yeah. It's ridiculous. $5,000 to $10,000. So I was talking to a couple of our buddies on that also. That's actually what led us to the BPC-157. Was it like a good starter?  And I said, yeah, well, I'm just don't feel like throwing $5,000 or $10,000 at it. And they're all, well, you should definitely try this. And that's where I started looking into it.  And plus a couple of our buddies that have done it have been like that have had like a peck tear and had other. Said it was amazing. Oh yeah. They said it was just within 30 days, they would notice a huge difference. And so I feel good that I've done this now for, what am I on, month six or seven of rehabbing this.  So I'm like, OK, let's see if I try this, if it will speed up the recovery at all. What if it makes your calf bigger? That would be amazing. That'd be anger.  I would be so excited that that was a side effect. What if you grow another Achilles? It just creates a new one for you. He jumps higher. Oh wow. Oh my God. What do you use? An insulin needle? Yeah, it's just an insulin needle. So it's tiny? Yeah, it's tiny. Because you could also do it, doesn't hurt at all. You could also do it systemically, right? You could just do it subcutaneous and it's just for the whole body. Well, so it is subcutaneous. So even if you are doing it down there, you still aren't injecting in, like into the muscle or ligament. It's still subcutaneous. So you can go intramuscular, but they say that could be really painful. And since I'm not dealing with like a, maybe if I was doing like a pecter, maybe that's probably what I would do, something like that. But that, I'm also, you know what I've done too, and it was funny that when you brought it up, because I was already kind of doing this when I started ramping up my training again, was reintroducing the carbs. And I kind of came to my, I had come to figure this out on my own for a while there.  And then I kind of found somewhere in the middle of the row where I was eating like 100 to 200 grams of carbs.  Like what I like about eating like a high fat, low carbohydrate type of diet, I noticed that it curbs a lot of the cravings.  It's not hard for me to keep myself from making bad choices and kind of maintain my physique where it's at. So I kind of like that, right? And sustainable energy levels. But the drawback of it is it really has been hard to gain and build. So I started reintroducing more carbohydrates and mainly just with white rice. I mean, that's the main thing that I've reintroduced that I wasn't eating a lot of. Same choice for me. Yeah, it's easy for me. My body responds well to it except that I don't have any issues with it. It's just easy to cook it in the bulk and rice goes with almost everything that I eat anyways. And so just recently been adding a few cups a day of rice into the diet and man, I just, my workouts are feeling good again. I'm feeling back to, I'm not far from normal but you know, just yesterday and the day before just good workouts.  Like I've been since this whole rehab process for me a lot of it's been like just getting it done. Like I need to do this.  It's not fun. It's not, you know, it's not, I'm not seeing major progress anywhere but I've been putting in like recently and I attribute some of that to the reintroduction of the carbohydrates. I really feel like that. You look healthier. Yeah. That's for sure. Yeah, you definitely look healthier. No. Yeah, you could tell that your, your body's in a better state now. Like it wants to build or, and that's kind of what Well, there's something else too. So, and I used, those that have been listening for a very long time remember me kind of ranting about this and I haven't brought it up in a long time since I haven't been hardcore on the diet like I was when I was competing kind of back into that space again. And you know, I tell you what, dude, like the protein shake thing as much as we're not, we're not big fans of supplements and getting all your, all your nutrients through Whole Foods. I have a really hard time when I'm only eating a few times a day getting 180 to 200 grams of protein. Right.  I mean, do the math on that. You know how many ounces of meat you have to consume to, to hit those targets. So, you know, I've been, I've been getting the shakes in almost every day, every other day. You know, there's been a few days there where I've had a really good high protein day that I can get it all through Whole Foods, but Well, it's convenient, especially if you're really busy or again, just to get the, get your protein numbers up, but you're not aiming for the obscene No, like I just said, 180 to 200. I mean, I'm up to 215 pounds now. And I'm, so 215, so 180 to 200 is not even a one to one ratio for me. So I'm, that's, but, so that's hard to get though. If you only eat, and there's quite a few times there, I'm only eating two or three times in a day. So you're eating two to three times a day. We'll divide that over, you know, divide 200 over that, what that is. I mean, you're talking about 65 to 70 grams per meal, you know, 60 to 70. That's a decent amount. That's a lot.  Eight ounces of steak, you're looking at 40 grams of protein. So that's a big, nice steak too.   Is that, that is a very good baseline to understand. It's important to know that you're, it's important to find a baseline that is healthy and balanced, but also understand that when you're pushing your body to, you know, a higher level, if you're trying to push your body to achieve a certain level of muscularity or definition or strength of performance, that will require you to push certain things. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I want to get my body down to 6% body fat, well, my baseline, my healthy balance baseline is probably around 9% or 10% body fat. To get to 6%, I'm going to probably have to restrict and I'm going to have to deal with ignoring some of my body signals, which are telling me to eat. Same thing if I'm pushing my body past a certain limit to build. I think the problem for most people in that space or, you know, where they're, they're constantly trying to do that and their baseline, they don't have a balanced baseline.  So, I mean, really that's what it's all about because performance, if you push yourself to a certain level of performance, it's going to require you do things that are not necessarily ideal for balance and that may require you to eat more, push your food, push your restriction. Well, that's, you know, that's the difference is that like right now, I'm trying to kind of build. So it's like, if I was just trying to live a healthy, balanced lifestyle, it's not that big of a deal, then so what if I, you know, miss my protein targets for a day or two? Yeah, it's the difference between probably 140 and 200, something like that, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's not... Another 30, 60 grams, something like that. Yeah, but I definitely feel it, you know, I definitely feel it and I can already see it and see it on my body and everything like that, the difference. But again, this is me, once, my body tends to want to be this 200 to 210 pound physique or so, you know, anything north of that or south of that, like you said, you know, requires like either major restriction or making sacrifice or, you know, going out of my way to add calories or nutrients. Same here. Same here. What shakes are you, which one are you doing? Well, it depends, right? So if I'm, if I'm home, like when I'm at my house, I like to use my way, like so I use, I use my way and I make my own like homemade shakes. I like to mess with all my own fruits and berries and I make this coffee smoothie that's really good. So if I'm home, I use that. But when we're here, which is I've been doing mostly here, I've been using OrganiFies. So I bounce back between the vegan OrganiFy one and the way one. So, and I seem to be fine with the way. I don't have any problems with that. I enjoy it. But man, the OrganiFy one, I can just throw water in it, dude. It's that good. There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of shakes that you can just throw. Especially not plant-based ones. I don't know, especially. So they, I mean. Cause I've been using plant-based, cause I can't have dairy. I've been using plant-based proteins forever.  Cause I've been taking them since I was a kid.  OrganiFies is by far the best one. Yeah, yeah. That I've ever tasted. Dude, just you saying that reminds me of like some of the old shakes that I used to take that were silver. Remember Mileplex? Like plug your nose. Remember Mileplex dude? Shovel it in. Yeah. The packet powder you used to pour that whole packet in there and then it would turn into this like. Cake batter. Oh, it was cake. You turn on the blender and it would just boom. Oh my God. It wouldn't even move. No, you just, there would be like a small spiral in the middle. It's like even mixing. What was it that was in there that made it that thick? I think they put a lot of. Like a concrete mix. Like a jello tin or something in there? Yeah, I think they put like compounds in there to make it thick. I guess for the texture or whatever. But for guys like, me who are trying to get, you know, a lot of the colors in. It was such a pain. Well, I'd have to add like like two gallons of water just to make it blend. Yeah. And then I'm like, trying to drink the whole thing. No, you couldn't. We should try and make and organify pudding. Yeah, like that. You guys are talking about the protein pudding. Oh, yeah. I never even knew that existed. But yeah, like a lot of those shakes felt like pudding.  Dude. The worst one for me was, it was twin lab. And I want to say it was the gainer. I think it was something gainer 2000. Yeah. I used to drink though. It was one serving was 50 grams of protein, 150 grams of sugar. Yeah. Not joking. Not lying. 150. 2000 calories. It was 150 grams of sugar, mostly sugar, dextrose. Yeah. And I'd blend this thing and then I'd wonder why fall asleep 40 minutes later because my insulin expired. It just crashed my insulin like crazy. Blood sugar. Dude, that's so many grams of sugar. I would teach most of my clients to first cut back to less than 15 and then eventually try to drop them below 25. For the whole day. Yes. No, this was a shake, bro. That's crazy. Yeah, this was a shake. You're on a mission to gain. Yep. By all means necessary. That's so much. It's speaking of our sponsors and stuff. You guys follow my sisters. Do you guys follow all my family members? Cassie. All of them. Not just Cassie. So my sister, my youngest one, she moved up north up to Washington.  Don't do this like that.  And I'm like, I message her like, hey, you know your brother sponsored by that company, right? Like a discount. Yeah. Did you not, did you not use the mind pump code? Like, oh no, I didn't know. I'm like, dude, I think again, like a friend of ours that use, use butcher box too. And they're close to me. I'm like, you guys are like family.  That don't have any, have no clue. Oh, I know. I introduced my friends because like we had, we had a barbecue and dude, that's that comes through in the clutch because I always have meat there. So we just threw on everything and all the free bacon. Like my kids eat bacon every single morning now. I'm like, my mission is to take full advantage and see how far I can stretch. The free bacon. The free bacon thing. You're going to break it by yourself. I'm going to break it. I'm going to break the bacon. Break the bacon. Yeah, it's going to happen. We need to make a t-shirt. That's probably one of, I would say, I'm trying to think of all the sponsors like that we use like the most, like butcher boxes. That's probably my number one. It's rapidly getting. Again, my number two. It's rapidly getting up there. I mean, obviously. Well, you're going to eat meat anyway. Well, that's how I feel. Right. And the product is so good and that type of meat would cost you so much to buy in the store. I had ribeye this morning. Did you? Yeah. Ribeye with egg yolks, some white rice and what else did I have? A little bit of broccoli. Yeah. That was my breakfast. I just like the way they set it up. I like the way they set it up to where, because, you know, you don't know, like the one thing that I was worried about when we first started it was shame on me, right? Because I didn't probably read all the stuff when they sent it over to us. But I was like, you know, I don't know if I want that sent to us every single month because I'm not sure, like, you know, we travel a lot or we go out to eat a lot. Like, I don't want to, like be wasteful. All of a sudden, we're just piling up all this meat that we're not eating. She's like, no, dummy, we can do every other month or every three months on there. They give that option. So we started off, I think, at every three and then we went to two and I think we're up to now one. Yeah, too. Because we get the fresh vegetables and everything from a farm that's close by. So I literally have, like, a box of, like, all these vegetables and now I have butcher boxes, like the meat provider. Oh, that's great. It's just like, it makes so much just, I don't know why. Have they thought of, like, introducing or partnering with vegetables? Didn't you just see who was it? Who showed me? Was it Doug or you? There's like some smoothie company. Oh, there's like three. It was butcher box, a smoothie company and then something else. Oh, that looks like they were working together. And was it organizing? Yeah, I think they were all doing, they were all collaborating and doing something together. They did some sort of a giveaway. It's a trifecta. Yeah. Did they meet because of us? Is that, did I? Maybe. Let's climb it. Can we take time for that? We might as well. Damn. Yeah, we're creating the ultimate synergist. Did you guys have a good weekend? Ah, no, man. It was... What? I mean, yes and no. No, no. Just not a good weekend. I had some rough moments, but for me, you guys will appreciate this. Well, I went to the circus one day. That was fun with my kids. It was just something like fun to do. Like which circus? I didn't really want to go. There was no clowns or anything. It was like a... Is it even a circus if there's no clowns? Is it? I don't know. There was like a... Was it performers or animals? There was a performer. So it was kind of like Cirque d'Ais au lait. So they had like trampolines. They had like acrobatics and they had all this cool stuff. It started out really rough. Like they had like knife throwing and everything and they were like missing and I swear to God I thought somebody was going to get stabbed.  Yeah, it was bad. And then it finally got better. I don't like watching that. It was unnerving, dude. I do not like watching that. When they do that, it's just a tough thing for me to watch. Well, you have to be good and like confident and like none of them were like... Like the knife wasn't even sticking on the board. You know? I'm just like... Please guys, just stop. Stop, stop, stop. You know? Like I wanted to get up there. I think they do that on purpose though, don't they? They might. Yeah.  They're like, they're not very... Yeah. I don't know, dude. They looked pretty sloppy, dude. But the rest of the show is amazing. Like they had like... They saved all the great acts towards the end and all that. And that was fun. But it was kind of funny because Courtney got me a... For Father's Day got me this like massage and so we went to get a nice massage. We had a spa ahead of time and all that at this place well within in Santa Cruz. And I was like super stoked, you know? And I don't know if you guys now have ever...  And I was like... So you got rubbed down by a guy? Yeah. And this is the first time for me, dude. I'm like, you know, I'm like whatever it is what it is but like, I don't know what it is but I just, I still... I'm like... Did you work on it? I did not like it. That's because you feel something inside. Did you like it? Yeah. Did you? It's uncomfortable. I'm so comfortable because I liked it. It's uncomfortable inside because you're like... Any minute of it, dude. Did he miss out? No, no, and he's spent a lot of time in my glutes. I was just gonna say did you rub down the cakes? Bro, okay, listen. He pulled my leg up like this and then like bent my knee out. Oh yeah, that's not a normal position.  Oh, that's extra credit right there, bro. I was like, what are you doing? Hold on, Justin, hold on. I live with a massage therapist right now. Adam Lozman... Yes, please tell me, is that normal? And I worked with him for a long time. That's actually an illegal position. You don't use that on massage. That's illegal.  I knew it. I was telling Courtney I was like this guy's molesting me. I think that was bonus work right there. Oh, man. He made that up. That's not even a move. He made that up. I was like so vulnerable, you know? Like my legs are all up in the air. He's like stretching me.   Just a little... No, just a sheet.  Yeah, I was butt naked. No underwear either? No, man. I don't do massages with underwear. That's the right way to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was straight from the sauna and the tub to that. So he's just... I was like super relaxed. So you've got like a thin sheet between your junk and the world and then he's got your leg open. Right.  So you can totally see my junk, everything. He can see the red pubes. I'm not a firecrunch. Come on, man. I feel like you would be. But dang, man. So you couldn't relax? No, I couldn't relax the whole thing. It was an hour and a half. She got me like the longer one. And she had the girl? And she had the girl. It was funny because she was like... Was the girl attractive? No, she's like... No, anyway. She's an older lady. I was going to say, because if you were like, let's say you're getting massaged by the dude, and then you're looking at this attractive girl massage your wife and you start to get aroused. But dude... Wrong idea. Wait, are you guys in the room together? Same room together, yeah.  I said that. She already started working on Courtney, right? I was like...  You know? No, not at all. And I was like... We 100%... That's mandatory. When we go like, I request that and Katrina knows that. Yeah, well, she requested two, didn't know it was going to be a man. That's so weird to me though that they would... Because it typically is that way. A lot of times women don't want men massaging them. Yeah. A lot of times. Not always, but if anybody... Women tend to not care as much. Guys get a little more worried about it. Yeah, guys. Actually, well, but both, right? Because I know women that would say, I don't want a man massaging me because they're very... Bro, I wouldn't have cared if it was like, you know, that gym teacher guy that's like really like, you know, pounding my legs or something like punching. You want to get rough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to get rough. But he had like really soft hands. He was like really delicate. Was he handsome? No, he wasn't. No. He wasn't handsome. He wasn't handsome? He wasn't even a little bit of a... He was handsome. He would have made it better. Not even a little bit attractive. No, not at all. Just a little bit. How old is he? Okay, here's the worst body on him. Here's the worst. No body. He's tiny. He had this little nose ring.  Bro, so he was... Sounds kinky. Listen, listen. So he's rubbing my face, right? And so he's kind of leaning over with his hands. I get a waft. I get a waft of like salami.  This is killing it for me right now. Salami. Yeah. So there's this... So I gotta tell you something, Justin. Okay. Tell me. The story is in that note. Well, no. There's this... So there's this phenomenon that happens where if you're thinking about something, you can actually start to perceive senses in relation to that thing. So you're saying that Justin's thinking about... He was thinking about salami. He was thinking about salami. Oh, my God. This guy was rubbing it. Oh, my God. Salami.  Were your eyes open or were your eyes closed when he was massaging your face? Bro, I was eyes closed. I didn't want to look at him the entire time. I was almost trying to pretend he was using his hands. I was gonna say, you certain he's using his hands this whole time? Yeah. Especially when he was like leaning over my face. I was like, I had a moment there. I was like, is that his fingers? Oh, God. Yeah. No, dude. That was bad. Jessica and I got a massage in... Where were we? Were we in Thailand? I think we were in Thailand. And that's right. I think it was Thailand. We got a massage and it was two women and we're totally naked, but we have the sheet over us. Right, right.  This might be interesting. It was a regular massage. Nothing else happened. Speaking of naked, my girl, dude, she makes me so angry sometimes. I almost was late this morning. Why? You're having too much sex? Maybe. So, I mean, we do our workout in the morning. This is what happens when you get your everly well-tested up this high, Jessica. Something to shoot for. Something to shoot for, I hear. So, I continue with this work. I would just annoy my wife. This excellent story.  I'm gonna go in the house and get started with breakfast. I said, sure, no problem. And I'm late, right? I'm already looking at the clock. I'm like, I have 15 minutes to shower, dress, eat, and I'm out. I gotta be out real quick. She's like, okay, I'll get breakfast started.  That's awesome. That's rude. Wow. She knows what's about to happen. Wow. Yeah, she knew exactly what was gonna happen. Yeah, so that's a trap.  She knew what was gonna happen. This is a trap! Put your box bacon was coming out of you. Oh, yeah.  Okay. You know what I mean? We're making bacon this morning. Yeah, she totally took advantage. Dude, I'll switch over to you. One more thing, though, like, he went in my armpits.  Why? Well, that's... I almost punched him. That's in a Roger's zone between men. No, it's not. It's not at all. I'm done. Dude, they adjusted so self-consciously. I know.  He's dreaming of...  Hey, so I'm reading my Hustle, right? The My Daily Hustle article this weekend. Hustle for your muscle? They talked about Milpitas, the mall, right? And so it intrigued me. Why? It's a great mall. The great mall, yeah. It's not as great as the ten out. It's great. So the article was about... So in the great mall, there's a car right now. Or there was. I don't know if it's still there or not. But there was a car there. And you guys have seen this. I know you have. Chance to win a car. Oh, yeah. You can fill out all the information and stuff like that. Yeah. And so I guess they decided to like dig deeper into this to get, like, find out, like... Does people really win a car? Yeah, do people win the car? This is a big, like, gimmick. It totally is. Of course it is.  Which is, we kind of know that, right? We kind of know that, but to hear it confirmed because someone actually wins. Like, nobody ever wins? Well, here, yeah. So here's the funny part. So you would think... I always think that when I walk by those, I assume, like, okay, so I think I see, like, a Hyundai. I assume that it's like a... It's a car dealership, a Hyundai car dealership that's doing that. But no, it's not really... They donated it, right? Right. Or something like that. Or they bought it, whatever. It doesn't matter. They have it. This company is a travel company. And so they... And like, if you read the... Like, so you first fill out all these leads.  Yeah.  Oh my God. You get hammered like crazy. Then if you win there... Like, heart closed. Then you win an opportunity to possibly win an actual free trip, which puts you in this other drawing, right? It sounds like purgatory. Oh, it's insane. You know what it reminds me of? Did you guys ever hear about that radio station like, it was like 15 years ago? They had to put their hand on the car? No, no, they did this... That one was famous. Yeah. They did this contest and if you answer the question right or something like that, enter to win a brand new Toyota.  It was a Yoda doll. Yeah, it was a Yoda doll. Dicks. Yeah. And she sued them. Wow. And she won. They had to buy her a car, a Toyota. She won. She won. Wow. That's like a million doll hairs. Yeah. And the ones do a lot of these people so what happens and this is very, very common and the ones that actually give away cars like in Vegas they have it all the time right where you can win like a Tesla or whatever like that. Yeah. It's a 90 to $100,000 vehicle. But when you get that you got to pay taxes. You have to pay the tax on it. On the full car. And because it's a prize that you want it's not like... Of course Uncle Sam's going to get what taxes do. So on like a $100,000 car you got to pay like $26,000 to $30,000 in taxes. You might not be able to afford your free pride. Yeah. Many people that win don't have 30 grand just laying around to throw a taxes to get this car so many of them have to sell it and then... To pay the tax and keep the balance. To pay the tax and then yeah and then a lot of times they walk away with 10 or 20. Well think about it right now if you won like a... What's the most expensive car on the record? Like the Bugatti was like a $1.5 million or $1 million. So like most people if they won that car they'd be fucked. Yeah. They'd have to sell it because they wouldn't be able to afford the $100,000 car. Not even that.  Like most people not a lot of people at least in the U.S. have that much money in their savings account. Most people live paycheck to paycheck. A couple hundred. Yeah. Right? You win and it's $100,000. Not a lot of people have 30-something grand.   What did you do? Talk about it. So this was early in my career at 24 Fitness back when we used to push the limit. We were bad humans. Yeah. We were bad humans. My apologies. Evil in us. So one of my sales guys was Sundi. Do you know Sundi? Did you ever meet him? All right. Good guy. He was a killer. Still friends of mine. He had this cutlass. I think it was a cutlass kind of old school, but he decked it all out so it was all gangster looking. And he had... God, what are those rims called? The ones with all the... Dayton's. Yep.  It was all shiny and brand new. Straight out of boys in the hood. Wait, wait. Does that feel like the wire that's all gold or chrome? Yes. Oh yeah. Okay.  And we had people fill out entry forms to win his car. Oh, you did.  You did the hustle. We did. We just got a bunch of leads that we offered to pass. That's what all these things do, man. They just capture the lead. Well, what's funny is we used his car. Win this free cutlass. Well, you remember... You remember back... And then you see it parked again there. You remember back then... He won it. This guy won it. That was a big deal was lead boxes. I mean, lead boxes were... That's how you got out of your life. I did that a lot, especially for boot camps and stuff. I was planting those all over San Jose. Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Did you guys ever talk? You were doing that right when it was starting to come back the other direction. No, there was a heyday in the late 90s, those things that could turn into some money.  I made a few. Two methods. Two methods. I remember... Because you did that after you were for 24. I remember watching that diet 24. So I remember it was still... Like when I first came on... I'm telling you, late 90s, early 2000s, that was it. Yeah, no, you're right. That's exactly when it was. Late 90s, early 2000s, it was still cracking. In mid 2000s, it was already starting.  That's pretty... Yeah, no, you didn't get anything. People started to realize they don't give any free membership. I'll just get a free pass. But in reality, I'm gonna go... The one that actually works was Chip Holtle. When you put your business card and I would win, every time, dude. It was awesome. Oh, you would win. Free burrito. I think they just wanted you to come in. I was like, yes, free burrito, free burrito. The things that he remembers. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's great. No to self.  The phone book? Did you guys ever do cold calls out of that? Like that? Not like that. I didn't. Oh man, I used to do... At one point, I was... I forgot what it was. I think me and my manager, general manager, my manager who was a good friend of mine but also a dick, we would compete a lot. And so he would, at some point, he would challenge me and say, well, let's see how well you can do just making appointments at a thin air. So I'd made like a hundred phone calls a day out of the white pages and I got real creative to get people in the door.  Just calling random people. Oh, that's awful. That's awful.  And they'd be like, no, Mark's not here. Oh, well, maybe you got so cheated. Oh, yeah. That's gross. They're so gross. That's really gross. You know, it may be gross but it trained you though. That's it. I learned. It's proven ground.  I mean, and be okay with getting people to say no. Dude, I got some bad news for you guys, actually. I don't know if I want it. You're not going to like this. So they just did some studies. I'm going to read this. Let me see where the studies were done. This was published in the Journal of Scientific Reports. Researchers that reported that nanoparticles found in some tattoo inks can migrate away from the skin and accumulate in the lymph nodes. Oh. Yeah. And then what does that do? Well, It means they got tatted up lymph nodes. That's what that means. The inflammation in the lymph nodes, I mean, that may lead to potential increases in types of cancers. What? Yeah. That's right. But I think it's a I think the ones that move the most are the colors. What about your low back one? Is that any worse? You can't even see it anymore. It's all in my lymph nodes. It's unicorn tailed trips down your crack. Yeah. That's going to be a problem. It was the unicorn that was swimming with the dolphin. Yeah. That one's gone. Yeah. No, but that that she can migrate and I think it's the colors that are the ones that do it the most. So, yeah. So you guys have both Do you have colors on yours? I have a little bit of color in my back on my neck. It's got a little all black and gray. I got a little bit but not a lot. Not a lot. Whatever's too late. Yeah. No more colors then. I think we talked about this before. I think we're going to see you know, no tattoo thing become popular. Oh, yeah. Those are everywhere now. Well, it happened because these kids pushed it to the limits dude where When I see What's emo kids starting to do?  That's it. I'm sorry.  I'm not believing you.  Like the thing now with these guys is to get every their whole face now everything because there's nothing left. No skin left. So now it's just they're going to do the eyelids I told you guys that I've been reading the Ijin book right. So good. Remember when we talked about the cry closet and we kind of triggered some people our form kind of went off about it. I didn't realize so this book actually talks about the statistics on what college students think right now about that and three out of four actually pro it. Wow. Those. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That's like how they deal stress. There might be they may need a little bullying. I think a little bit. There's got to be this conditioning. I really I really want I really want one if not both of you to go through that book because it the whole thing you're going to I promise you'll love it because the whole thing is literally just statistics. It's all studies. It's all studies that they've done and then presenting the information. Is that are you listening to it? Are you reading it? Well both. Audio is it super complicated because I may want to listen to my son because I feel like it might be good information. So I Okay. So I highly recommend this to anyone that has a kid that is your I think they'd be great for them just to become aware of some of the things because there's there's pros to it too. There's a lot of things and I mean Katrina and I a lot of times if we're listening together we'll pause and talk about it and I'm like, you know we knock a lot of times about all this phone time. Right. Like us always consuming so much phone so much, you know digital information not being social and so it's obvious that they're but you know there is something to be said about it, you know is that our natural progression of evolution because we have this ability to to learn and grow at a faster rate that we've never had before and the more that they're consuming at that the more knowledge that they can potentially consume now the other side of that is you could also be doing things that are just killing brain cells and you're and you're not adding any value to your life and you're not growing and learning but the argument is that I mean at least I know to personally the amount of information that I've been able to consume and learn with our smart phones well yeah well that there's a good point like I actually have been experimenting with this app it's called dual lingo and it helps you like gamifies the process of learning another language and my kids fucking love it and they don't want to play like regular video games they don't want to watch TV they want to just learn like a new language they get a lot of like they get a lot out of it how does this work so it basically just like a video game you get points all that kind of stuff and like it takes you through like German or you know whatever like Korean whatever you want to learn and it it rewards you every time like you get past like certain stages and then you put sentences together and like you understand how to use verbs and like all that kind of stuff so it makes it like super fucking simple like I couldn't even believe how simple it was and you do like retain it it's crazy it reminds me of and I've said this before it's very efficient very effective I should say it reminds me of and I've said this before how technology can you send this to Taylor this is the type of stuff I know I was going to talk to Taylor and I have been talking a lot about like one of the things with the way we're doing things with sponsors now like I don't want to just do stuff that's related just specifically to which we already have shown that we're doing things with companies like Mierre and Viori like a lot of their companies right like I was just telling them about this is something that I'm going to have my kids use this this is dope no but what I was going to say is it even existed it reminds me of you know are how we we progress so quickly with being able to provide ourselves with food that lasts a long a long time on shelves with long shelf lives and we solve the problem of starvation but we introduce new problems with obesity and health I think technology is going to do the same thing I think it's going to provide us with incredible benefits but then we're well think about that everything that we've we've created right the more powerful it is you know the more responsibility exactly the more dangerous it can become and then the further it can take us right so I think that's this is no different we're and so that's why I think this book is a great read because it's like it's not a it's not alarmist the one direction right like I felt irresistible when I read that it was kind of more like scare you like holy shit the author kind of puts their two cents in like while they're while they're giving all this information where this one is like purely like all the numbers in fact it's like take it for what you what you want with it but here are some statistics and facts and the things that have been happening over the last 30 years yeah and the author originally wrote I think Generation Me which was based on Generation X which is she's a she's a Ph.D. she's from Generation X this is like third book on this so she's been following all this stuff but you know reading all these studies I'm like oh my god these are these are the questions that I get asked on the thing that's been following me around for 15, 20 years or whatever so I'm going to try and I'm going to reach back out to them because they've been they've been trying to get a hold of me for like a month and a half and I totally have just ignored them because I'm like I don't have time to sit down and do this right now but I feel compelled now that I'm listening to this and I want to know if it's possible if I can get the only things that I remember saying no to that I've now said yes to that I've experienced or tried or whatever so and it's very very personal questions and you're seeing some really fascinating stuff happen with the generation right now with the introduction of this and one that stood out to me that I thought was really fascinating we talk about how kids are getting their driver's license later kids are staying at staying in homes much longer like living with their parents till adolescence is stretching out so the way the book presents it's kind of cool now a lot of people kids are having less sex by the way that too less drugs less drinking all those rates are going down drinking and driving is going down drugs it's less taboo well what's kind of and it's kind of neat to see now and the book the way it presents it is like there's plus and minus to that right there's some really positive things that are happening because now parents are actually parenting longer and they're waiting to the kids are fully mature and they learn more read studies and understand stuff like that better so you're seeing them kind of naturally evolve at a maybe a slower rate but then by the time they get out into the real world they're a little more educated about things so there's some positive things there but then the negative side of that is they're so sheltered so much and they're so protected over things then they get into college or something like that and then they face a little bit of adversity hence where these like cry closet have been providing for 20 years and there hasn't been a lot of risk and danger and shit like that or being offended helicopter term right right it reminds me of when I was a kid I was 11 or 12 I went to Sicily to visit family and I was hanging out with my cousins who were all my age like 12 years old but they were super mature compared to me like very mature like with adult conversations and a couple of them smoke cigarettes and it's because they were poor and so they were forced to grow up a lot faster and you can sometimes see the contrast of that with kids when they grow up a little harder it's like they mature much faster than kids who take a little longer but of course in the flip side of that is they might get into shit that they shouldn't or they may develop other issues and that's what it reminds me of is kids are being parented much longer they're protected much longer maybe less chances of doing all these other potential dangerous things or they don't have the ability to handle themselves as well that's the downside I mean they talk about confrontation they've measured how many kids can say they've gotten in a fight in the last year or like that that never significantly dropped how many of them have been to a high school party like that number is falling off so there's a lot of things that are really good that are happening because these kids are taking longer technically to grow up but then there's I think it's a great read for anybody who has kids that are growing up in this iPhone generation so if you've had a kid in the last 10 years I highly recommend that you read it and I highly recommend that you have your kids I think it's a great read that's what I'm gonna do with my son for the kids to listen to it just to make them aware of that I think a kid understanding who they are growing up in this world and what it was like maybe before that and some of the pros before that because they only see what's in front of them at least when I'm teaching my kids if I educate them honestly not like trying to scare them on one way or the other then I've noticed at least that they make better decisions rather than the whole like don't do that because it's bad like okay let's talk about why people do these decisions make these decisions and why people do these things and let's talk about the negatives and the positives and let's just be honest about it so I got one more thing I want to share with you guys another article that I thought was absolutely fascinating they did a study but they gave these animals safe doses of chemicals that we are normally exposed to now what we need to understand and the reason why they did this was let's say glyphosates for example they'll test a certain amount of glyphosates and they'll say oh this much glyphosate over this period of time seems to be safe or this much red dye number 40 or whatever seems to be fine over this period of time and stuff like that and there's a couple problems with that one is the period of time that you can test is typically short and the other thing is it's never in the presence of other chemicals see what I'm saying so by itself it may not cause problems but when you combine it to all the other chemicals that you're exposed to which are also in their own quote unquote safe doses but in combination may cause problems and that's exactly what these researchers found because none of us live in a vacuum like if you're going to have if you're going to eat non-organic foods you're not just exposed to one particular chemical you're exposed to a bunch of other ones and although they all meet safe you know the guidelines that say you can only have this much you just it's the combination of these things and then you combine that over a long period of time and that's exactly what they found what they found was when they for six months they combine these mice or they expose these mice to real life mixtures of 13 chemicals that were below the guidelines so lower than even what was considered you know safe and well interesting they found that a majority of them had toxic exposure to their livers their livers and kidneys started showing problems weight gain was being shown in some of these animals so it's an interesting study but it does bring up a good conversation and that it's you know it's not just one thing like it's not just the artificial I've never thought that in the first place when I look back of like the stuff where all this might have happened to me like where you know psoriasis and other things started to express itself on my body like I didn't pinpoint it to like oh that must have been the protein shakes I had it's like no it's probably because I had three protein shakes two bars a speed stack maybe three or four yeah like it's like the combination but you could really easily fall into that it wasn't like I was going out of my way to try and poison my body it's like it was a combination of things you throw in the you know your deodorant your hairspray you know if you'd separate it and that's the only thing you're focused on it's probably not that big a difference but in combination with all these other it's like when someone argues or debates with me about artificial sweeteners all these studies show the artificial sweeteners this that and the other by themselves first off I still think that there's long term potential problems but you're also consuming other foods and other things and exposed to other chemicals and toxins that in combination over a period of decades probably going to have some problems because what what study do you I can't find one study I can't think of one study except for the one I just talked about where they're coming out with a new preservative right they only test that one preservative again remember sciences does a great job of looking at one parameter very deep but they do a poor job of looking at the whole picture how many of them are like okay not only we're going to give you this but we're going to combine it with all these other things that you're likely to be exposed to and then see what happens in cages and they give them just that one thing with their food and water to see what happens so it's the combination that's why I tell people like eat organic try to use products on your skin that don't have lots of chemicals and do what you can rather than trying to eliminate one thing just kind of generally try to do it because it's that long term combination I think that's great advice and I think that's the way I try and explain to people too what's so traumatic about it I don't think it's a healthy lifestyle either to live that way too because I have friends and people I know that are like this too or they won't touch any of this stuff and it's like listen too it's tough to avoid all of it but if you're aware of it and know that it's not ideal for you like you can make these subtle little changes in your lifestyle where it's like oh you know what today I'm going to opt not to have that because I know that I've already consumed X amount that's something that you can just eliminate that for a while maybe come back to it you know you just have to be mindful that you know these things are creating a pattern in your lifestyle and I think just by doing that I think that makes can make a huge difference in somebody's life because I think where we see the scary stuff or the shit that comes out is when people abuse it and it's very easy to abuse these things especially if you're in the fitness industry where you're probably consuming two or three daily supplements that are sweetening colored with chemicals over time combined with all the other stuff might actually cause problems or at the very least place your body in a state of suboptimal health which will just make it more likely for you to get something you know some other health problem just because your body is in the suboptimal state of health this clause brought to you by OrganiFi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition OrganiFi fills the gap and performance the added edge try OrganiFi totally risk free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout our first question is from the village crazy lady currently doing maps performance and getting pain in one of my shoulders with an overhead press my shoulders slouched forward so I think that might be the reason correctional exercises to address this I'm almost 100% sure that's what exactly what it's from 100% this is why this is why I think everybody who runs a maps program should also have maps prime pro or excuse me maps prime because the prime comes with the assessment so you can kind of I mean obviously this person knows that they have the rounded forward shoulder fix it right and then from there so you would in other words you wouldn't pass if you had prime you would do the zone test you'd find out you didn't pass the test and then with that directs you with the compass on what movements that you should be doing not only before you work out but as much as you possibly can to start to correct some of these bad patterns that are causing that's why the setup so important I mean that's why we want people to identify these things before we start loading the joint so like to be able to go through the wall test without yourself it's a powerful thing and that's why we put that out there so when you go to do an overhead press and your shoulder isn't tracking properly like it's impingements you know certain pains are going to be inevitable and that's something that you know stop what you're doing like we got we have to address this like don't just keep kind of muscling your way through it which I know tends to be like the tendency for a lot of people here's a bottom line you might not even have pain for a long time but what you're doing over a long period of time is you're actually building armor and strength in that poor pattern you're actually strengthening it to the point where it's just going to become more and more difficult to correct and then here's the bad part let's say you've got this bad recruitment pattern you've luckily let's say you've just got for whatever reason and you've figured out a way to compensate so you don't necessarily hurt and you build a lot of strength on this recruitment pattern on this bad recruitment pattern you build a lot of armor on this bad recruitment pattern when you do finally hurt yourself it becomes a major injury because then it's like boom I tore something or boom you know I fucking you know really ruined my joint stress it comes to a point that's right and I've seen this personally I've seen this happen I've had friends very common I've had friends who worked out like bodybuilders extremely muscular like if you looked at them you'd think all these guys definitely they're impressive looking and they would get a severe injury or a major injury from the most mundane bullshit like I had a friend who tore his rotator cuff throwing a frisbee at the park and it's because he had such bad recruitment patterns and they were so strong in these bad recruitment patterns that when he finally went to like his straw that broke the camel's back he wasn't trying to throw it like as far as you possibly could he was literally just he just tossed it real quick but because he's got such a bad pattern and he's so strong within it he whipped that frisbee boom tore his rotator cuff I have another friend who same thing big muscular guy but poor function poor mobility he was moving picked up a box turned and twisted to put it somewhere else and slipped a disc yeah major back injury so you want to make sure you have good recruitment patterns that you don't have these these imbalances because it's a recipe for disaster in the future the other side of it is this and I know I'm pretty sure Adam can pick this out and you do Justin but especially Adam because you were in the bodybuilding community I can look at somebody and tell you even if they're muscular ripped their symmetry is off or their aesthetics are off because they have where they're developing the most they've just got poor recruitment patterns they don't look it's almost like it's funny because the layman might not be able to pick it out like I could see and tell like oh that guy definitely needs to do this so that girl needs to do this the lay person would just look at them and say they don't look as good something doesn't look right you can see that even in that situation I could still see how they're moving and where they're you know dominant versus whether they're not as comfortable moving you know whether it's in the shoulder or wherever we're looking but yeah one thing this I picked this question because this lady is persistent like I want to say like almost like five weeks in a row wanted me to like sing my way through it and I was like I don't know how to do that girl you gotta go through some shoulder priming that's it man I don't really know where to go well if you don't if you don't have prime you gotta get prime if for some reason here's some moves though that I will give you that will help out like if you if you do some band pull apart shoulder dislocates and then a seated row with some emphasis on the retraction and the depression of the shoulder so I typically anytime I do a chest press or an overhead press at all these movements are staple movements now as you get good at these things you can use tools like Justin likes to use a lot like the Indian clubs and the mace which I think are great ways to keep up shoulder health but a lot of people are in such a rounded position that's a dangerous move I want to say some yeah so that's a good option to strengthen good recruitment patterns you've established good recruitment patterns now we want to reinforce those so now I'm adding more resistance and load into that situation so yeah I love those tools for that but definitely do your due diligence first and get the proper recruitment established and go through our prime we did a video on this on our YouTube channel called how to fix rounded shoulders gone in four steps that one and I give you in that video I give you some good exercises and tips here's something you really want to pay attention to and I know the guys have covered it a little bit but I want to reiterate you form is crucial when you're correcting a muscle imbalance or a recruitment pattern crucial because the second you focus on resistance how much weight you're doing let me put it this way okay if you're trying to move in a way of weight for it to be challenging your body's going to revert to what it does to the status quo it's going to revert to what it does best which is that old pattern so when you're doing these movements don't think about building muscle just think about moving perfectly and push the weight enough so that you can feel challenge but not so much that you move out of that position because the second you add too much weight when you're working out trying to build muscle your form is going to revert back rather than correcting the new one so what I tell my clients is super lightweight and the the focus is perfect technique literal perfect slow technique don't worry about anything else just perfect the form and that's what's going to give you the results you're looking for with these better recruitment patterns then as you get stronger in that new position slowly add resistance over time and if it's a really bad situation if your shoulder is over shoulders terrible you're going to have to back off on your weight on all your exercises because otherwise you've got competing signals like if I do this correctional exercise to try and correct this issue but then I go back to these heavy other movements where my shoulders go back to where they were before that signal may actually win so you may have to back off for a little while and just you know do all your old exercises but with so a simple way to coach that pushing lighten your load so all your pushing movements lighten your load really really put a lot of emphasis on mechanics and then you can probably get away with more of your pulling type movements you can get away with a little bit heavier load because of because of that yeah just check yourself when you're doing any kind of like rows obviously this is going to be prescriptive towards this issue to be able to work on the next one I think this is a really good story from Gabriel Joseph D what are your thoughts on youth weight training when is too young is there any truth to stunting growth I'm glad you picked it who picked this I did I did I want to tell a story about this is it a good story it's a good story not lame so I was at the Stanford I was at Stanford University from 8 a.m. to about 10 30 11. No, not the university this the shopping set the Yeah, but then I went to a mall. Yeah, then I went down. Oh, did you? Yeah, then we went downtown Yeah, we were there from maybe like 10 or 11 till Yeah, anyway, we were there we were there shopping Or pretending to shop because things are so Funny we walk into the store and Jessica's like oh my god. I like this and you look at the price tag Never mind. It's like Spent $300 on a skirt. Anyway, so we're there and I like to people watch one of my favorite things to do And so I'm watching all these people moving around walking around it was a sunny day So the place was crowded and there were a lot of kids it was a Sunday so that you see a lot of teenagers hanging around and I Could not I could not find a single Teenager that didn't have some kind of major Oh, yeah muscle imbalance and I'm not talking about like a small muscle balance. I mean major there was a young girl maybe 13 years old in line at the Starbucks because we were getting some espresso and She had such a bad rounded shoulder and kyphosis It was so bad that she almost looked like she had a hunchback Wow, and she's like 13 years old This is what I was terrible. This is what I'm most interested in to see what happens in the next 10 years because I think it's too It's way we're way too early right now in the iPhone generation to really see what the long-term effects are on this That has just hasn't been around long enough. Yeah If you if you were if you're a kid like you're explaining right now, they're just getting warmed up, dude They're just getting warmed up with those patterns if we didn't have a lot of kids with bad posture Issues when we were growing up. I mean that wasn't really a huge We did but not like this not like exaggerate. Yeah, it's a very very very very very fast These are the kinds of so as a as a as a trainer somebody who's worked in fitness as long as I have I can identify imbalances by watching people move of many times by how they stand in some time many times These are imbalances that I'll see that the average person may not notice like if I pull the average person say hey Do you can you see any problems with that person's posture?  I'm talking about dysfunction. That's so bad that the average person would even point it out And that was all the kids I saw yeah all of them I saw people walking or kids walking around with such flat feet that were so turned out. It was terrible People's tennis shoes being worn on the sides. I saw forward shoulder forward neck. It was just it was terrible I'm like and they're young these kids are gonna have major problems as they get older I told you guys that you know and not to just to hammer these poor young kids But I mean this this little Achilles tear that I had really probably I would say in the last Seven years knocked me off my training game more than anything ever has like it's just I've not been this inconsistent with lifting Especially like really consistently and training hard as I have in the last six seven months and During that time work has stayed the same like we were answering it if not more It's accelerated right the amount of time that I'm on my phone and my computer has accelerated in the last six seven months I Can feel and see a very vivid Visual difference in my posture, especially my neck You know and it's and it's caused problems as I've gone back to lifting and I'm just so I was doing the zone one Test yesterday like working on that in between exercises and that is fucking so hard for me dude right now It is so hard for me and I think man I'm aware of this and I'm putting the work in right now and I exercise That just goes to show you how how much time that we're spending doing things like that and I don't think that I'm crazy I don't I don't think that I'm like Excessively sitting on my phone I manage that and I like we talk about all the ways that we put it down and how we use it like today I again, this was on my mind all weekend So I told Katrina I said one of the things that I have to do now is I have to schedule a time to do the DM thing Otherwise, it just gets out of control gets away from me and then I spend all day long Constantly going back and checking and responding to people. So now I've got back this morning. It's Monday. I'm back on my routine It's like I got here about an hour and a half before you guys and I just literally Just nailed it all out in one sitting. So now I'm just avoid it like it's okay.  I'm gonna train today I'll do all my corrective work like so if I I know that this is happening to me being somebody who's aware of this Imagine the the teenage boy intentional about it.  I'm gonna add to it So I've already predicted that in the future the Most advised or the most recommended form of exercise for the aging population is gonna be resistance training just because it Directly combats all the things that happen as you age from hormones to your bones to mobility loss of strength It's a hundred percent customizable like bar none the best form of exercise in the modern context for older people I'm gonna add to that and say that resistance training will also be one of the number one recommended forms of Non-sport exercise for youth far more than it is today. In fact, it's never recommended today for the youth now I and the reason why I'm I think it'll be recommended is it's the only form of exercise I know of that you can use to directly combat all of these imbalances because you take a kid with all those imbalances you haven't played a bunch of sports They're just gonna learn how to move well with those imbalances resistance training I can look at a kid and say we need to correct this and we have specific exercises that will help correct these issues and I think it's I think it's gonna be something that we're gonna see more of now is so I guess the answer is It's great for children. It needs to be appropriate for children. That's the Let's address the part where he talks about because this was something that I didn't know when I was first getting in a training in my early 20s I had heard rumors doctors were still telling Clients this that oh, you know your your kids too young to lift weights He's only 12 or 13 years old wait till after puberty and it used to be you think they'll stunt their growth Yeah, the rumor was that it would stunt their growth that they lifted weights for that So a lot of parents were scared to let their kids wait train before that that is absolutely not totally false That is completely false and not true The thing that I the only thing that I'm weary about when kids wait train at a very young age is their proprioception Just isn't that bad control Yeah, they just did their their balance and stability and so there with their very wobbly and shaky when they do when they Do training us so you just got to be extra careful with that's yeah I was gonna put a caveat out there because of that fact alone because it really depends on You know whether you trust your coach or a personal trainer to slow everything down and the the workouts look completely Different than you would think you know as far as I'm trying to progress and then keep you know adding load and doing this like Periodization type of a program with kid I'd I find a lot more value in the mechanics and slowing down and Understanding where to feel and feel their way through and and and just control like control Isometrics and things like that, you know using load or not load so unloaded so that way they get More connected to their body and their functions and their joints like before now Overloading so there there's a little bit of a caveat there for me as far as overloading kids young you're gonna have a lot of problems Coming you know Into their developmental stage. Well, there's no reason a kid should be maxing out or doing anything under five to ten reps You know, I'm so they don't have the control. Yeah, just doesn't it doesn't make sense to me pushing them that way I think like a map just look different is all a maps anywhere where you're doing a lot of body weight stuff That's a lot of tension like you were talking about I mean close chain close chain movements for the real young Yeah, for the real young body weight movements are our best because they have to practice But that's not that's not to say that you couldn't get to weight training you could because I've seen some kids that are really young That are our exceptions to the rule that like or maybe their parents enrolled them in gymnastics since they were Toddlers and then now they're 12 13 years old.  They have a really good understanding of their body Of course, you know that you want to enhance that process. Look, here's the deal. I've seen six year olds that can skateboard Excellent excellent balance. I've seen six-year-olds that could do things physically that and very very well because they practiced and And weight training is no is no exception If you have your kid and I'm not saying a six-year-old should lift weights Although they may be able to do some type of resistant stuff like with body weight But my point is it's got to be appropriate real slow Have them practice if you take a nine-year-old who's interested in working out with weights And you do 15-minute workouts with them and you have the practice by the time they're 10 and 11 They're gonna have pretty good control. Yeah with resistance, you know But their bodies adapt just like anyone else as far as the stunting growth is concerned That was a concern because when bones aren't done growing There's a at the end of it as a growth plate and if you damage that then the bone will stop growing longer But in order to damage that you have to use a lot of fucking weight and kids just aren't strong enough to You know, you put 300 pounds on the back of a 12 year old Don't be doing singles and we're not trying to PR. Yeah But I mean, I've been lifting weights since I was 14 years old consistently Didn't affect my height. I got taller Yeah, it made me ugly No, but I really do think that in the future you're gonna see prescriptions for Resistance training and I don't know how they're gonna apply it might be applied in schools because you're gonna start seeing more of these Physical pain problems, you know, I mean, we know about diabetes and kids We know about obesity and all that stuff, but you're seeing explosions and shoulder neck pain back pain knee pain in Inactive kids like they're not they didn't hurt themselves. They're just hanging around and they have back pain And I and resistance training is the best Movements need to happen for these kids man to counter this next question is from Sarah Lynn for How do you balance intuitive eating when on a bulk? I only eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm satisfied if I need to eat more Do I have to sacrifice that to build more muscle? I think I think intuitive eating is Contradicts bulking. I don't think the idea of intuitive eating is that you be eating for health, right and balance and longevity Bulking is pushing yourself outside of that. So I'm optimizing.  I'm gonna add 10 pounds and get one point I'm got to be tracking. I've got to be tracking It's unless you've somebody who's been doing this for a very very long time I mean Sal is probably the only person I know that that manipulates his body up and down As much as he does without any sort of tracking and that of course that's you know He's got 60 years of experience Of tracking So of course so of course He can do that, but I think everybody else howl, you know That was the one thing that I was really hesitant about when we did the intuitive eating guide is like, you know I know I know how long it's taken me to get to that place And this is my profession and my and I have a love and passion for learning and about myself my body and nutrition and exercise And to get to a place of intuitive eating. I think I still think that I'm not a hundred percent there As much as I want to believe that I am so I my real fear when we put the intuitive eating guide out was like a Lot of people I thought would use that as like an excuse to not pay attention to what they're eating and be like Oh, you know, my pump says you shouldn't track the first steps in there is a track. I have an ice cream That's one of my body's telling me this is talking to me. Yeah, no one of the first steps in there is to track I mean, here's the deal with here's the problem the problem with The problem with most people is that they don't have a good healthy Balanced baseline they don't it's either they're they're dieting all the time or they're bulking all the time Right, and when they go off of that, they just go off and don't pay attention anymore The reality with with intuitive eating from a from a fitness or performance standpoint I'm talking about from a standpoint of I want to build lots of muscle or I want to get super shredded is that it Gives you a wonderful healthy baseline and it's nice and you want to be in that baseline most the time I mean you there's no way you're gonna want to walk around at 6% your entire life body fat It's not it's not gonna be good for you and your body will eventually will fight you and rebel And it's not good to walk around at this super pushing your body weight all the time Bulking stage also you just can't do that you want to be in this balanced intuitive state most of time and then you can come out of that and Push your body to either gain more muscle or lose more body fat And if you especially if you're a competitor because I tell you what come the most the competitors I know have two shapes that they're in stage Presentation shape and off-season out of shape fat shape right if there's no there's no balance It's like when do you look normal you're either shredded and depleted and you're about to die from malnutrition or You're you're eating so damn much you're inflamed and bloated and you're causing gut health issues And those are your two states of being there is no there is no balance There is no no no baseline that is healthy and that feels good and feels natural where you're learning how to listen to your body That's what it's all about so it is intuitive eating the best way like being pure towards intuitive eating the best way to be like them the Top athlete or the bee no of course not the strongest buffed is to the beam most shredded no But we'll learning how to eat intuitively make bulking and cutting far more effective absolutely Yeah, one because you're starting from a good baseline in two Because you know your body signals because here's the problem with bulking The problem with bulking especially if you're if you were a guy like me who was insecure about being skinny was I didn't I Ignored all my body signals when I bolt I didn't even I ignored all the ones I shouldn't the only signal you were watching was the scale just that's it Just like that's it so it's like get on the scale at night before I went to bed First thing just trying to shovel it yeah, and I would literally be weighing myself and going like okay I knew what I needed to get my weight up to that day in order for me to be a pound heavier the next day And so that's exact and that's it was just all I paid attention That's right And so you I there were there were signals that I needed to listen to how not when I was trying to bulk like Gut issues nausea my body's not gaining on all these calories Maybe I should cut back a little bit and let my body and resensitize my body cal I didn't pay attention to any of that because I had no Idea of how to listen to my body at all and the same thing for cutting I see people do this all time especially women when they're cutting there are signals that they're Like there are certain signals that you have to be aware of and ignore a little bit when you're trying to get Shredded like you're gonna be really really hungry at some point especially when you get in shredded Your body may get a little extra cold because your metabolism is trying to adapt because you're taking in less calories like those signals Okay, ignore them for a little bit understand what's happening.  So the irony is Learning how to eat intuitively will make your bulk more effective and efficient and will make your cut more efficient and effective I just think there's phases to this I think you have to go to a point where you've been tracking enough times on the bulk in the cut to have an idea What intuitive eating should look like and even an example of how I still Catch myself, you know, so we talked earlier on the on the this episode of you know How I've been using the organifi shakes and again, you know, I found myself just you know If I'm intuitive eating to me intuitive eating is like, you know when I when it's time for me to eat I eat something I eat something that's balanced I'm aware that I'm targeting my proteins and fats kind of first and then my vegetables and then the Carbohydrates are last right that's kind of like how I intuitively eat and I pay attention until you feel good Yeah, I eat till I feel good not till I'm stuffed and like pushing more food and then I just kind of do that Well, what happens is, you know, the intuitive eating like that for me Isn't enough protein for myself to keep growing and pushing if that's what I'm trying to do So I have to kind of track and be aware of that So I think Depending on what your goal is and how many times it's you've bulked or cut and how many times you've tracked while doing that Asking yourself to try and intuitively do that right out the gates or right now or fighting it like why why Force yourself not to track like I don't I don't think I think sometimes we because we talked so pro about intuitive eating that We almost demonize tracking like it's a bad thing like no, it's not a bad thing I think it's very it's totally fine if you're serious about your bulk You're serious about your cut. There's nothing wrong in my opinion with you tracking and paying attention that now Do I think you should become obsessive with that and do I think that you can't you know If you can't be in shape without you tracking I don't think that's a good place to be either but in fact, it looks like they're almost Trying to be obsessive about intuitive eating.  You should probably track after you receive your Hit your goal and pay attention like oh wow I hit my goal of leaning all the way out and I'm still contract my food I can get out of control really fast if I'm not paying attention. That's part of the problem You know next question is from Mark Kahlhoff. What is the meaning of life? Oh my god? Well, you know we've gone through 800 episodes, I guess you should know the answer Yeah, I'm gonna go last on this one because I definitely just I'm gonna find a way to argue with you Yeah, because there's no right answer. I don't this could go anyway. This is like the age old This is like the question right the question that philosophers and spiritual leaders and religions have tried to Tried to answer. I mean, I think this is a personal one for me personally the meaning of life is for me is To learn and grow as much as possible. That's about it like learn and grow and find meaning in the Tragedy of life in the difficulties of life because it's not hard You don't necessarily need to find meaning in the stuff. That's awesome. Hmm.  What does this mean? It's like, no This is cool. I'm just gonna enjoy this great thing.  What is the meaning the hardest if you don't it'll kill the hardest thing to pay it the Realize what you on that point is that if if life didn't have these crazy struggles and these hard times You wouldn't enjoy it. You wouldn't enjoy the good times. There was all good times all positive. That's why I loved when you shared the You know, what should we call it? So because I think that's such a powerful Visual for people to see like man, that's it's so true Yeah, we would reject it just like the matrix, you know, like this utopian idea. It's just it's it's not real there's like we just we find purpose in a lot of the you know the hardships and These are these are really the lessons that we don't we don't necessarily we're not comfortable Going through that process, but man does it it shapes you and it it it presents like It helps you to define your character and I think that As far as life is concerned it So I was just watching did you guys watch the end of Westworld by chance? I did okay I don't watch it, but I don't want to like run, you know reveal the whole the ending of it But it's it's such an interesting Thought that you know when we're talking about free will versus, you know, determinism or you know Is everything predetermined, you know, or do I do I really have free will and so these these are things I think about a lot just because I don't know I Deep deeply thinking about like subjects like there's what is the meaning to life and all this kind of stuff But does it really matter does it really matter if things are predetermined like you're the one that's perceiving it You're the one that's making these experiences happen like real time whether or not, you know This is this is like an algorithm that I'm sort of falling into or not I'm finding meaning every day in something that's teaching me something and so I just for me It's it's about being flexible to To sort of receive whether it's a hardship or whether it's an awesome experience with whatever it is like every day I'm willing to receive something. Yeah I think something that blew me away a long time ago was learning the difference between fulfillment and happiness Because so many people say you should find find happiness like that's the goal be happy be happy And I used to think that too like oh, I just want to be happy and then someone Explained to me the difference between happiness and being fulfilled and they said look first of all You can't be happy if you don't know what sad is like if you can't be you know You can't have ecstasy if you don't know what misery is like they you have to have those dualities And you can't so constantly chasing ecstasis constantly chasing happiness You'll this the the the act of chasing is where you're gonna be missing out It's fulfillment. It's the meaning. It's finding that you're fulfilled in life and understanding that all those things Make up, you know what life is all about and you can see this look you can see this in celebrities Some of these celebrities they have everything they have everything you think that would make you happy They have money they have access to all the drugs that they want to take alcohol.   Maybe that's the right word peace and fulfillment like when you start to find that the Like let's let's take life and let's just pretend life is working out. Okay. He's worth fitness podcast, right? So so when you realize that the that the the meaning of your workout is the actual workout itself and not the goal That's when you find peace and fulfillment and consistency with your workouts forever Forever like when I no longer really sure you have goals and all that stuff But when I that's not the purpose of my workout the real purpose of my workout now and it has been for a while now is The workout this is actually the workout itself. It's I'm enjoying the struggle. I'm enjoying the training I'm enjoying the working on different things. I'm enjoying the learning and the growth from it And so I know I'll never stop It's not a question for me. Hey Sal. You ever gonna stop working out? Well, no, I enjoy the process of it Yeah, well, what about if you get fat? What about if you get sick? What about if you I don't care And that's what happens.   There's also nothing wrong with good times. Of course, you know, so I mean that's the thing Oh, yeah, you know, I can experience. Yeah You know my my theory is if you if you live life fast enough you might to get a chance to do it twice But that's how I feel Like you read that so good. It's like a cookie That sounds cool. I've been saying that for a long time Charlie Sheen right It probably was I think it was Charlie Sheen's interview and playboy a long time ago. I don't know. We're a great role model. No No, I really think that where this can get you into trouble I think is I think some people ponder this so much that they end up getting paralysis by analysis They end up thinking about it so deeply and not living yet not living And that's what I mean by you know I live by this theory that I'm gonna live my life so fast I might get a chance to do it twice now that doesn't mean I don't stop to smell the roses It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the process doesn't mean that I can't see the silver lining and all the failures like 100% but I most certainly I'm not gonna slow down and allow Myself to worry about what others other people think my life should be or what life should be all about like I'm all about the experience both good and bad and finding everything that I can and each one of those experiences now What I have found is I've gotten older is Many of the great things that happen are the are the struggles of many of the the best things in my life Are the things that follow the hardest times the times that where I was at my darkest the times that I was the most Frustrated what would follow that were some of the best times So I think if you live this life like I like where I have this attitude of I'm gonna live it fast I'm gonna get hit. I'm gonna have some hard times, but I'm gonna break through those I'm gonna find the silver lining in those things I'm gonna move forward and progress and I'm gonna grow and keep on trucking and keep on moving man That's how I look at I'm only on this earth for so many years, right? And I want to experience as much good and bad of it as I possibly can and I'm not gonna sit back and dwell And all these things that a lot of people are afraid of man.  They're actually happy less of the time than when they didn't have kids It's true. There's more Keep on selling They'll find that they're more anxious there's more you know bouts of you know fear and all that stuff Yeah, so they're less happy However, the same people when polled on whether or not not they find that their life has meaning much higher now Here's now, but here's my yeah But is that is that because before that they a lot of people struggle with finding a purpose because they have a hard time with it It's an obvious it's on that saying it has to happen. I'm just well just showing that because to me like having kids like Of course, I think it gives obvious purpose. I think a lot of purpose I think a lot of people get to that point in their lives where they're like I feel like I need kids I feel like I'm I'm X amount years old. I've experienced a lot in life.  This is what life was all about.  I'm not judging anybody that does but for me. I don't need that I don't need another being that I need to live a Full life for or to have purpose and meaning in my life I think there's I think it could be very healthy for you to find that within yourself And then if you add kids to there, but I think a study like that I hear that I go like dude You know how many those people I know who they were they didn't have that purpose now They have a child and take oh here's there's my purpose. Yeah. Oh, yeah I'm not I'm not saying it's it's essential like you need to have a purpose I was pointing out the the dichotomy the the fact that less happy but also more fulfilled That is interesting and that's my point with that wasn't to say Adam You should have a kid or you know, you shouldn't or it's other people should or shouldn't right My point was that with with that was to show how clear it is that the meaning of life isn't Happiness all the time the meaning of life is to be fulfillment to be fulfilled and to find peace in your life And or at least that's much more of a that's a better place to be than to constantly chase happiness The very act of chasing by the way is not is not happiness either It always revolves to be in present, you know, I mean most things that I've found It's like the more I can be a part of this thing. It's a better It is 100% it's an experience right and do you have that ability when when shit goes bad Do you have the ability to actually embrace that right and experience it for all that it's worth like that's crazy Like most people a little bit of rough patches come or struggle happens or hardship.   It's called many lives many masters. I don't know if I've ever told you guys So it's about this psychologist psychiatrist Who's you know he treats patients and he recorded all the sessions so all these things are recorded According to him it's this is a true story But he works with this woman who has all these psychological issues and he thinks that she may be suffering from multiple personality disorder Or maybe she's got some you know repressed memories And so she he puts her under hypnosis to try and pull those out and that can be an effective tool Many times get people to talk about things that they may be afraid to talk about And so he does this and she starts to talk about all these past lives that she's lived Where you know, she was this girl who was poor and that's this that and the other and then and so she's talking about this And he doesn't at first he doesn't he doesn't believe that that's actually what's happened He thinks this is some kind of a psychiatric You know situation, but then she starts to say things to him that were That were about him that and she couldn't have possibly known and she also starts to say things about Her past lives that he went and checked in historical records and found that it actually you know Corresponded with what she was saying so he started listening more deeply and found it to be just fascinating and that book really resonated with me Because what what that book says and I'm not saying it's it's true or not. It's just resonated is that you know We we live these lives over and over again to learn and grow and a lot of these lessons that we don't learn We just end up repeating them and many times we travel with other People other spirits in different forms like you know sometimes in this the reason why it resonated with me is there's times where I've met people Or I've met them and within five minutes. I'm like, you know what I feel like I've known you forever like I feel like we're just right away and You know what this book says is you may have traveled with people like let's say you and I Adam right now We're friends and we have a we're co-hosts on a podcast But maybe in a previous life I was your dad and you were my son or in a previous life you we were cousins and I was Something like that right, you know, or maybe you were my wife, you know But we we would travel in these in these lives I was your father or something like that right But in these lives you I was grandpa and what this book said is before they would travel They would say like okay I'm gonna travel with you to the next life to help teach you this lesson and that lesson maybe Like dealing with death like maybe you had a friend that died all of a sudden We don't know as you guys made that deal before you came in anyways Fascinating book. I found a lot of it did give me a lot of meaning to some of my stuff in life Not necessarily say believed it, but I just thought it was an awesome story So highly recommend that just don't get stuck on I think pondering this for too long, right? It's fun I think that's the thing if you stick you get stuck on that then you forget to experience life Man, yeah, don't forget to get out there and go get some bumps and bruises.   It's half off. We took the total price and we cut it now 50% off four days left at mine pump media.com. 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