Today's podcast is brought to you by FreshBooks.com. Get a 30-day free trial at GoFreshBooks.com forward slash David Feldman show. The David Feldman radio program is made possible by listeners like you.  Welcome back. Now joining the mix is one of our favorite guests, a brave soldier on the front lines fighting the good fight. Sam Seder you host the majority report on television, radio, podcast, YouTube. Welcome. Yes, not necessarily all those mediums, but it's all right. I mean aspirational counts too. I see you on YouTube all the time doing that. Yeah, you said television.  YouTube is sort of like the television of computers. It is. Yeah. I mean, if we want to, if it's all folded into one, then yes, of course. I would say that more people watch you on YouTube than they would if you were on, say, MSNBC on weekends. I mean, if it was early on the weekend perhaps. And they were being preempted by a big sporting event. Right. I mean, if we were going, if it was like early on the weekend for some reason, they did the Super Bowl in the morning on a different channel. Right. Then yes, that would be, I would agree with that. And a lot of the MSNBC affiliates were cutting, too. That's right. This is the worst intro. To the extent that they had affiliates. But I mean, we don't need to go into. How long have you been doing this? I feel like we've gone into this too much. I know. How long have you been doing the majority report? Because you were on Air America. Yeah. RIP. The first iteration of the majority report was on Air America for a couple of years. And then I did a different show called the Sam Cedar show. And then I did another show, Cedar on Sundays. And then another one, Break Room Live with Mark Marin. And then we broke up and he got the very successful podcast. And I got the one that's like, you know, moderately to not so successful. Well, you chose a more difficult path.  No, nothing more. Well, you chose a more difficult path, which is politics.  It's a more specific thing. And frankly, I wouldn't want to do what he does. And I know he wouldn't want to do what I do. So I guess that's what when we're referred to intelligent design, that's what we really mean. Where do you see the discussion today vis-a-vis? And thank you. I just said vis-a-vis. Are you impressed? No. Oh, that's good. Thank you. I'm looking that up as we speak. Looking back to 2004, has the conversation gotten better? Donald Trump notwithstanding. I have a theory that you can actually talk to Republicans now. And maybe it's because of Donald Trump. You can talk to Republicans now, and they're a little more reasonable because they kind of know their ideology is bankrupt, but they're kind of stuck being white and rich. I, as opposed to 2004, I mean, yeah, things are a lot less scary now than they were in 2004. But part of that is less that Republicans have become more reasonable and that I think the center has become more reasonable. And I think that's because we are further out of the shadow of 9-11, to be honest with you. And I'm not convinced that another attack of those proportions wouldn't create the same situation. But yeah, I have conversations with people on my show all the time. Collars, particularly, obviously younger people who don't realize the level of vitriol and the level of isolation, I think, that you got and the level of isolation that you felt if you were left of center in, you know, particularly from 2001 to 2004. 2005 things start to change a little bit. But, you know, when Janine and I started, Janine Garofalo and I started the first majority of the Party of America, Janine would get active death threats that would happen to her face. I apologize for those. You're strangely out of character. To be honest with you, you were not that intimidating. I know. But Janine was really going in. I mean, even before 2004, when in the lead-up to Iraq, she was really going into the belly of the beast. She was going on Fox News. You can watch the tapes on YouTube. They're amazing. And being berated, called a traitor by the Fox and Friends people for saying things that we knew then they were true. But now we know history tells us that what she said was true. Which is why I can't forgive South Park. Janine was almost, I mean, literally almost, and this is not hyperbole, almost the only individual in the country who was allowed to go on national television and speak out against the war. She was recruited by the Win Without War people who wanted the arms inspectors to be able to stay in. They couldn't get anybody on television. And so they started going to celebrities.  Wait, is that... Matt. Yes. She put herself in such an incredibly, I guess, dangerous, frankly, position. And, you know, got zero credit for it during, after the fact, now. And it continues to impress me, you know, 15 years later, the level of bravery that was involved in that. Here, here. And the people who were all wrong, who were berating her, they're all still on TV every day. Oh, sure. And not just the people who were brave. I mean, like, look, she got a lot of grief from the entertainment world. She got a lot of grief, you know, with the Trey Parker and those guys, you know, were blowing her up in their movie to make her some type of villain. I mean... That's why I won't go see Book of Mormon. Seriously.  And because of those guys. I agree. And, you know, she took a lot of grief from virtually every sector of our society because of what she did. And she literally was the only person who was allowed to go on. And imagine being in that situation where you know you're the only person they let on.  And you still do it because how could you not? I mean, it was an unbelievable situation for her to be in. And she rose to vacation.  And still, it took an incredible amount of abuse. When did Air America go on the air? April 1, 2004. I see. So by then, there were enough people opposed to the war was a year old and it was okay to be against the war. Not, I would say before saying or speaks, I would just say that not all it wasn't that mainstream to be against the war. Then the thing from my memory that really broke it open for them and made it okay for all of the mainstream media, not just Fox News, but all of the cable channels which were very supportive of the war. The thing that broke that down was when John Murtha came out and said that the war was a mistake. And that because he was a military veteran. He was a total right wing military guy. That made it okay for Chris Matthews and for all those other people to suddenly say it's okay to say that the war was a mistake. But I think 2004 was before that happened. Well actually, because I remember working for Bill Maher in 2003. The war started in March of 2003. And I joined his show right after the war started. Before the war started, he was skeptical, but he didn't beat the war drum. He kept saying, I don't know about this, I don't know about this. And around May of 2003, about two or three months after the invasion, the ambassador, I forgot his name, what I saw in Niger, they outed his wife. Oh, Joe Wilson. Joe Wilson. Oh, yeah. Wrote that op-ed piece in the New York Times. And Scooter Libby outed his wife. I think that's when a lot of people, including me, went, okay, now I'm definitely against this war. I can tell you that Janine and I, when we left the studios in, through the summer of 2004, at 10 p.m. at night, would leave with bats. Would leave what? We would carry bats. Broadway show league. Broadway show league. They had night games at the Broadway show league? What's that? The Broadway show league had night games? No, we would leave. Not with cats. We would leave with bats. With bats. Yeah, like literally, I carried an aluminum bat because we had concerns. Wow. Typical liberal, bringing a bat to a... Exactly. Yeah. Did you ever have to use the bat? No. No, we didn't. You used it on me when I pitched a bad joke one time. I could never do that. Mostly because I lacked the hand-eye coordination. One bad joke from Frank Conniff, and then he couldn't write for two weeks. Yeah, it's, boy, you know, it was a dangerous time. Let me ask you about the lead-up to the war, because I always... I have two... From that era, I have two litmus tests. One is, were you for the war? And what are you laughing at? I just like that you're asking Sam Cedar if he was for the war. Well, because he was on the air in 2004. I was burning Dixie Chick album. Yeah. Well, here's my... That's just because you're not into country music. My mea culpa is a shame to tell you this. I believed Bush and Cheney. I voted for Gore. Where's this going?  Where's this going? I'm just saying, I believed it. I was one of those, you know, guys who... We have to be adults here. You certainly don't think the president... Well, let's not forget that... Good day. Good day. Let's not forget... Great talking to you. Let's not forget... No, I was against the war. I was against... In fact, the first... The very first majority report was I was losing my mind about the whole run-up. I mean, it was... Because you could read... I mean, that's the thing. If you read page 22 of the Washington Post or 22 of the New York Times, you would see that there clearly... This was being ginned up. Oh, yeah. Clearly. Do you remember, Sam, do you remember that op-ed that was so preposterous about how the Iraq War was going to be a good thing because it would secure the waterways of the Middle East? I was like, what? There was all sorts of BS, and in February, I think it was, of 2003, Tom Sharpling gave me two hours on his show, The Best Show, and that's when I did the first majority report, and invited Janine on as a guest. John Benjamin came out to New Jersey to do the intro live, and I brought on some poor sucker from Fox and Friends on the weekend to just berate him, and I had a briefing book that was like four inches thick, and it was full of project for New American Century. Of all the stuff that Blix was starting to report at that time, it was full of...  And so, I don't know, I mean, I think it was just a matter of time, and it was a matter of obsession. I was basically half-present in everything I was doing from the election, because I was really, the election really disturbed me with the Supreme Court, it was very difficult for me to accept. Do you get upset now when you see photographs of Michelle Obama cuddling with George W. Bush? Yeah, I do. Why? I mean, upset is probably too strong of a word, but when you do not hold these figures to account in any official way, you immediately condone what they do, and you send a message to future leaders, no problem. This is at the very least within bounds, and it was wrong that the Obama administration pushed this line of turn the page so much, and not just on the war, frankly, but on everything that led to the financial crisis, and a host of other, torture, all of those things. And then to normalize the relationship, I think, is really problematic. I think that we don't get accountability that way. I think that you could draw a straight line from, pardoning Nixon and his fellow travelers through Iran-Contra to the Iraq war, and to fall out there. I mean, there has to be accountability. And frankly, I think you could probably draw a line from that to at least a portion of Trump's support and a broad sense of disgust with our political system. Because how can these things happen, and we claim they're so bad, and there's not literally an ounce of credibility, I mean, of accountability? I agree with you, but you're not even a social stigma, so hugging George Bush. I agree with you. I think when you read of people in the Bush administration, the W administration, endorsing Hillary as though that's a good thing, why are we still listening to these thieves? I agree with you. I mean, the Clinton people, here's a perfect example of that. The Clinton people were getting these endorsements, and I can understand they, if they get endorsed, I can understand certain centrists or Republicans, that sort of thing, it's a good thing. And I can understand to a certain extent, there being a staffer on the Clinton campaign whose job it is to say, oh, we've got another Republican endorsement, let's just send this out. But there was a staffer on the Clinton campaign who saw that John Negroponte was endorsing Hillary Clinton and knew so little about foreign policy and the history of our foreign policy that they were like, John Negroponte, great. And he created, he created, wasn't he working with Honduran death squads, Negroponte? Yes. Yes. And, and so. But the Honduran death squads supported Hillary too, so. That there's no accountability for a guy like that, means that some staffer who's 25 on the Clinton administration, Clinton campaign, has no idea who John Negroponte is. And not only do they make a huge mistake from a campaign perspective, I think that was why they never, you know, they went back and told Kissinger, would you mind holding off? I think that they, you know, that is what you get. And you know, it gets just thrown down the memory hole and that's a problem. When you look at. By the way, Kissinger was so enthusiastic about Hillary, he was going to carpet bomb New Hampshire with leaflets. It has, has Henry come out in favor of Hillary or is it? It's kind of just common knowledge that he, in all likelihood, he supports her. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait for the Wall Street Journal. But he never made official endorsement and I think that's because of the pushback from the Negroponte thing to be honest with you. When you look at what's going on in Syria, do you understand why Bill Clinton feels it's necessary to become George Herbert Walker Bush Bush's son? What, what, when you get to that level, don't you kind of sympathize with our presidents and the people in the top echelon wanting to smooth things over because there's so much vitriol and hatred in this country.  I think Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton should be locked up.  Well, I'm talking about, you definitely should. There, there, one side of me, 99% of my life is spent hating Bush, hating Cheney, lock him up, bring him to the Hague.   I do, I believe in accountability. I believe if you're going to have two million people behind bars, make room for white people, right? You know, that, which is the name of my new sitcom, make room for white people, start locking up, you know, all the CEOs on Wall Street, this guy from Wells Fargo, lock them up.  And let them get raped, you know, let, let these guys, because that will put, finally put an end to prison rape is when I think if you start having, you start putting Lloyd Blank fine, the head of Goldman Sachs and Jamie Dimon into prison and they start getting raped, suddenly we're going to say, is this really rehabilitation?  Right. Okay. So I'm for locking up all these people, both sides. But at some point, then you look at Aleppo and you think, well, this is what happens when David Feldman gets his way. This is like, it's just, wait, what? Well, I, I, I, I think that is my world. Syria is what happens. I think that's a bit of a leap. I mean, look, I think, um, I think that Bill Clinton, um, should be held accountable for things like, um, uh, you know, the, the grand by Lee leach, you know, the, the reversal of, of Glass-Steagall, of welfare reform, of the telecommunications act for that matter. Yeah, the telecommunications act. But, but I don't know, frankly, that I would put him in prison. Um, I think that he should have some political accountability. And I'm glad that, uh, you know, at least there was an opportunity to revisit it, uh, you know, in the, in the, in the, the, the Clinton campaign, he should have resigned. He should have resigned after, but, but, but there's a difference between that and lying your country into a war that results in the deaths, you know, by defense department statistics of literally hundreds of thousands of civilians, uh, displacement of four million people, leaving the region in complete ruins. I mean, I think there's an argument that the, uh, the embargo, uh, you know, Clinton had some, had some sort of like criminal liability on some level. But, but I think you need to maintain some perspective as well in the same way that you shouldn't be hugging, uh, George W. Bush, because he's a sweet man. You know, Alexi failed. I don't know if you know that guy. Do you remember that guy? Alexi failed as a British comedian, part of the, uh, that whole crew in 1980s with the guy, uh, who's black adder and, and, uh, Yeah. And like they, they were a crew. I think they were like in a, in a club called the comedy store and there was this, I remember this, this saying, uh, uh, this quote from Alexi failed. I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you know, the problem with getting famous is that, you know, all your friends get famous and then they become friends with Phil Collins.  And I think like, you know, that's if you're, uh, you know, um, uh, if you're, if you're one of, if you're Michelle Obama, you know, after eight years of being in the presidency and being attacked, I imagine, you know, to see, uh, George, uh, W Bush as a human being is a lot easier. Yeah, I always say a little response. I say to why it's up to us. Who don't, who, you know, I don't care if George W Bush is a nice human being, right? Because I only know his name from what he did as a politician. They say he was just a dad and a nice guy who got, you know, fun guy to have a beer with. I wouldn't even be aware that he was alive and go in peace. But here's my question. Oh, sorry. Well, I just, I think that the man should be held accountable. And you know, on some level, you have to realize like, I'm a major public figure from Michelle Obama and hugging this guy might just be too far. Right. You do much. Uh, uh, a firm and hardy hand class might have been better as WC fields would say indeed. But like, don't you think that there was a little bit of election year? Strategy involved in this 2016. Strategy, because my, I felt like there was a secret message embedded in the Michelle Obama, George W. Bush hug, which says, Hey, Republicans who voted for Bush, we know you hate Trump, but we, Obama administration likes Bush administration. Like we're, we're like reasonable people who are all on the same page. Wink a wink of vote for Hillary. That's what I think was going on there. That, that, that could be, and as long as, as long as we're on the topic of, of, um, of presidential hugs, I, I think we should all let Sammy Davis Jr. off the hook for the Nixon hug. I think, I think we should time of time has gone by. I think we should forgive him for that. He could twirl pistols. He had a glass eye. He was hugged everybody. He ran into, they just happened to catch him hugging Nixon at the time and it really hurt his career, that photo and he was a great talent. So I don't think that's, but he was the best, but it was bomb is one of the best songs of all time. But 1972 and you're an African American. You don't hug Nixon. Um, like I said, he hugged everybody. You know, he was a loving person nature, but he sang the Candyman for Christ's sake. Yeah. Well, Candyman can't choose who he hugs. He's a Candyman. So, if I'm a pass, give Sammy Davis a pass for that, he broke down barriers. He was already black and Jewish. So, Sam C. Sam Cedars, the people been still talking about this, only David Feldman. Right. What am I being blamed for Frank Conn? Oh, I'm sorry. It's just a reflex. I've been waiting for Frank Conn just to talk about the Sammy Davis. He has the biggest Sammy who's your axe to grab Sam Cedars, the host of the Majority Report, and everybody should listen to his show and watch it. You can see it on YouTube. I'm going to ask you some questions on where you stand. Did you support Bernie Sanders, or were you a Hillary guy? No, I've been a longtime supporter of Bernie Sanders. And are you supporting Hillary or Jill Stein? I am supporting Hillary Clinton. Reluctantly or enthusiastically? Well, what difference does it make? That's a great point. I think, I mean, you know, look, I think it's, if people want to vote for Jill Stein in a blue state, that's fine. I have no, you know, I don't have strong feelings about it. I can tell you right now, nobody in a red state is voting for blue for Jill Stein. Or in a red state, I mean, I have no strong feelings about it. I'm not terribly impressed with the Green Party's strategy over the past 25 years. I've seen bake sales with better game plans. Well, I mean, look, they want to get to 5%. Theoretically, the strongest argument I've heard is, the Green Party's going to get to 5%. And then they're going to plow that money into down ballot races and et cetera, et cetera. As far as I can tell, they've lost ground in terms of local races over the years. I know there's about 100 electives around the country. I don't know how many statewide, there's maybe half a dozen mayors, if that. But I'm not terribly impressed with them as a political entity, but whatever. But in terms of voting for Hillary Clinton, I mean, I'm going to really pull the lever hard. If that's what you mean, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of, I've never been a huge fan of Hillary Clinton. I think there's going to be a lot more to work with with Hillary Clinton than there would be with Donald Trump. And if she is as calculating and triangulating as, you know, as Bill Clinton was, then that's a good thing because we're living in a fundamentally different era. And the point on that triangle are going to be in very different places. Well, we got welfare reform and the repeal of Glass-Steagall due to the triangulation. But Sam's point is that was a different political. We got that because it was a very different time. And the politics were very different. They were very different at that time. Yeah. And I can tell you that whether or not she's actually going to execute it, I don't know. But her policies are as liberal as any presidential candidate we've had, I think, since we're covered. Right. And I also think that the Bernie Sanders movement can have a very positive outcome if that movement stays strong while she's the president and if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are two strong national figures who hold her feet to the fire about sticking to the progressive platforms that she's that she says she supports. Yeah. And especially if they house in the Senate's way. In my experience in dealing with some, I guess, maybe you call them Bernie or Buster's, but the amount of energy that's going in to demonizing Hillary Clinton makes me wonder if there is enough, frankly, well, I don't know. Yeah. If people are pragmatic enough. You know what? I mean, to just who understand politics. Yes. I've got to realize that like the next thing you do now is you start, you know, you start pressuring from the left. Yeah.  Yeah. And to me, that's just moronic. Yeah. And I find that I find that disturbing, frankly. Yeah, I agree. Because I agree 100% because I noticed that during the primaries, a lot of talking points about Hillary, the the a lot of the the Bernie Bros opposing her had the same talking points as Breitbart. You know what I mean? Yeah. They would be.  But but yes, I think there's been like a, you know, a creating a supervillain out of Hillary Clinton when, you know, she is a center, a centrist, a democratic politician whose policies are more or less aligned with with the Barack Obama, except for Obama wasn't in the Senate at the time of that vote. And I don't think there's a huge world of difference between the two, except for she seems to be more amenable to be pushed to the left so far. Yeah.  I just care, you know, to what extent can the policies that I care about move forward under her presidency? And if they can move more forward because of her flaws, great. I don't care. Yeah. Great point. So, David, let me ask you what the most important issue facing this country is, like, have you concluded, like, after all these years of reading and arguing, what is the one thing if we could solve it, like, getting the money out of politics? To me, it would be banning television advertising. I mean, I look, I think you mean in terms of what in terms of the process or like the most urgent thing we're facing because I think climate change is probably the most urgent thing we're facing. I agree. But it's also, it's interesting that you say television advertising because most of, almost all of Donald Trump's success has come without television advertising. Yes, that's true. Indeed. So, that might not be as big a factor as people thought it was. You know, one law that got passed that is clearly not being enforced, speaking of TV ads, is the so-called, like, the acronym is something really weird like cream. It was to reduce, you know how in cable TV the ads are like five times louder than the show? There was a law passed in Congress about this, like, that went to the FCC, but it's not being enforced. Oh, really? Yeah. And I personally would like to see the enforcement of that. You know, I think it's ATM fees because I feel like that's the most important issue. Like it's total fraud. Yeah. And it costs $3 to withdraw $100 out of ATM. Before you go. Go ahead. David, I would say the thing about ads is, I'll say why I think that's too narrow, because the issue isn't so much electoral politics, I don't think, in terms of money getting money out of politics because it's not, it's not just, it's not just that people give money and they buy politicians that way. It is that politicians swim in waters that are inhabited specifically by one type of fish and they begin to perceive the world in the same way as those people. And I'm not sure, frankly, that it's just about, you know, electoral politics.  You can't spend money that doesn't come from the government on campaigns and just have it all taxpayer funded. But I don't know that we could actually do that in the, you know, I don't know that it's constitutional as the Supreme Court has configured at the moment. And I think there's a, there's a lot of dangers with a constitutional convention that people, you know, sort of a run after. So, I mean, I, I don't know that there is a silver bullet for that stuff, to be honest with you. I think that like people like to think that if we could just get money out of politics or we made corporations not having the same rights as human beings, I mean, the, one of the big things I would do would probably be, you know, limit compensation rules and go back to pre Reagan where there were not, you know, stock options and capital gains taxes having being treated with, you know, differently than the income tax gains. I mean, it's so much of the wealth inequality and the problems with our economy are a function of CEOs and board of directors basically having misaligned incentives with what their company is supposed to be doing. They've financialized all these things. We have a lot of problems with our, to be honest with you, with our, with our supply chains for things like food and, and different fuels. I mean, there's a lot of problems that I don't think there's any one solution. And I don't think it's just money. I don't think that's the only problem. Maybe that is the one that unwinds everything. But I guess if you, if we had the ability to waive a wand, I would just say all elections financed by taxpayer dollars before, but even then Donald Trump probably wins, right? Honestly, like if Hillary Clinton had only like $200 million to run with, how does Donald Trump now win? Is Trump the beginning of a new era in politics or the end of one? I his style. Is he the end of the great communicator? He's not. I don't, I think he's fairly unique, although it's hard to imagine that, I mean, look, here's the thing is that the, the Republican party and the conservative movement were basically training their voters to perceive a guy like Donald Trump as, as exactly what you want in a president, right? For years, they've been saying, we want a CEO president. Well, this guy is a billionaire. There's nobody who can get on stage with him in, in right wing mythology and say anything and know anything more than him because if you're rich and according to the right wing, like you are morally righteous, right? I mean, we all know Paul Ryan's story of like the kid who, who, who wanted a brown bag lunch instead of getting a free lunch because he had no dignity because he, there was something morally reprehensible about people who are poor. Well, the call I read to that is there's something morally righteous about the wealthy.  None of those politicians were going to be able to have an argument with a billionaire. And then you layer in the, the sort of the I perceived anti PC as like racism in like a gas form, right? You had, you know, you had racism in liquid form 40, 50, 60 years ago and before then, and now it's sort of a more like gas form where it's sort of the last vestiges of, of racism and misogyny. You know, our ancestors by virtue of being white and male could own people. If they weren't slaves, then it would be their lives. You know, my mom wasn't even allowed to get a credit card when she was married. She was allowed to get one in her name and she, she was that bad a shopper. She, she had horrible, horrible credit. No, that was the law. That was literally the law.  Yeah, you know, it's like, um, I think that's what the whole anti PC thing is. If you take away his wealth and his anti PC, there's not a lot left that, that Trump is offering, you know, other than just raw nationalism and racism. I do think we have to wrap it up. I do think a lot of marriages would be better off if only one person in the marriage to get a credit card. I listened. That would be great. But why should it necessarily be the wife? I mean, the husband. Oh, I'm just saying, you know, not every lane and stay in it. Sam, yeah. Hey, what are you already setting up is run in 2020. What do you read? How do you, how do you stay so informed? Oh, gosh, what's a typical day for Sam Cedar before his show starts? Well, it starts the day. Is there a regimen? Is there a reading? Yeah, I mean, the after my show ends, I do a sweep for guests. And I look at, um, you know, every show I can find, including yours. I look at book reviews. A lot of book reviews and, um, book lists and whatnot. And then I go to news aggregation sites and poll stories on my Twitter feed. I've, I've, uh, I've got a lot of the type of reporters I want to follow. And I push those tweets to another separate email account. But I'm talking about in terms of like, like Ralph Nader told me. And by the way, on the Ralph Nader radio hour, Noam Chomsky next week. Wow. How's that, how's that for a show? It's going to be a lot of microphone feedback noise, I feel like. Just from the NSA. Just from Nader and Chomsky being right next to each other. So Ralph Nader told me that his baseline is to start each morning with the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, I don't do it that way. What do you do? I'm not 70. I honestly, like I use a, my Twitter feed, like I would have used an RSS feed, um, you know, seven years ago and where I would, what's an RSS feed? No, no, no, I just remember RSS feeds. I was thinking fondly. Right. I mean, that Twitter feed is like that. And so I follow reporters and I put them into, you know, lists and then I make sure I see everything they've tweeted out and I pull the stories that way. So you don't go to the, so you don't go to like the New York Times, the Post, Talking Point memos, Daily Co's. Um, I will go to the Talking Point Memo and Daily Co's. I'll go to like Memo Random. I will go to... What's Memo Random? Oh, you should check that out. It gives you some of the top political stories and then who's commenting on them. Uh, different sites. Sounds good. What about HuffPo? I will go to HuffPo, uh, as well. I like to go to HuffPo to see who's... I'm on there on the day before my show. I like to go to HuffPo to see who's, who's doing stuff for free these days. And what about girl? I love that they are now just ubiquitously including the caveat that Donald Trump is a misogynist racist, no liar, like at the end of every article. It's so funny to me. It's like a man in all hope of like objective news. They've done that since day one. I know. It's so funny. I know. It's so funny. They still refuse to put me on the entertainment page. You know that Andrew Breitbart helped design the Huffington Post? I know that. Yes. Weird.  Ariana Huffington. She's not there anymore. Yeah, but she didn't, I mean... She's a horrible human being. It's Kenny Lerner's website.  I've never heard, you know, fantastic things. The important thing is she wants you to get sleep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I read her books. The plan is, I feel quite confident that with just even $100 million that I could get more sleep. But could you sleep knowing that you got about half a billion dollars on the backs of bloggers who work for free? I mean, that's why. I think I probably would just go with $100 million. To be fair, all of those bloggers went to Wesleyan and have trust funds. Oh, okay. Could you sleep at night knowing that you wrote the contract for America for Newt Gingrich, which she did? Could you sleep at night knowing that you ran your husband for senator in 1994 calling for the children of immigrants in California to be denied education and health care, which is what she did? I mean, I think that's just a function of ambience, isn't it? Yeah. That's what she did. That's what Ariana Huffington did. I like the idea that she just, that she ran her husband. She did. Michael Huffington. Look what she did for America, David. She did. She made hundreds of millions of dollars to get it off and compose. Also, she was a very big proponent in 2000, as were many in the mainstream media, that there's really no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore. She's part of the same corrupt system. She had the shadow convention in LA, if I remember correctly. And history has proven that. And she plagiarized the book on Picasso. But what about the sleep? Why is this counting the whole push for sleep? Isn't she part of some New Age weird culture? Yeah, John Edwards is something. John Williams or John Edwards? No, Mary and Williamson, I think. No, no, no. John Edwards. No, it's weirder than that. John Edwards, the like. No, it's some California cult leader who teaches you to treat human beings like commodities. Seriously. Oh, so did it come from the film industry? Well, probably.   They're not hers, she aggregated them. And her husband, Michael. Hey, you should see a movie called, it's about a pedorasty pedophilia in Hollywood. A known secret. Chicken Hawk? No, no, we interviewed the director and the producer. It's called a known secret. Oh, oh, yeah. And Michael Huffington, she was married to Michael Huffington. That's where she got the name from. He came out of the closet in the 90s after he lost the Senate race. Which I believe Diane Feinstein. And he came out of the closet in the movie A Known Secret. He, it's implied that Michael Huffington, Ariana Huffington's ex-husband, was showing up at parties with underaged boys. So he's the guy who was sexually abusing Corey Feldman. No, that was Sam Cedar. Oh. What? No, this is true. I think I'm probably younger than Corey Feldman. And also the young hustlers that Huffington had, he expected them to work for free. Of course. No, seriously, in a movie called A Known Secret, which is about the epidemic of child molestation in Hollywood, Ariana Huffington's ex-husband, it's implied that he is showing up at boy parties. That's what she was married to. Wow. Anyway, speaking of boy parties, the majority report is a great... Five days a week of pedorasty. Yeah. Can't beat that tagline. You gotta take two days off or something. Will you come back? What's that? Will you come back and do our show? Of course. All right. Thank you so much. Sam Cedar, Majority Report. Thank you for having me. It was a blast. Thank you, sir. All right. Bye. Stop that shaming. Well, we're gonna wrap it up. Colleen, will you come back? Sure. When do you leave? My job starts October 31st, so I'll probably leave a couple days before then. Do you have a place yet? Yeah, I'm Airbnb-ing a place in West Hollywood for now. Oh, nice.  I'll miss you, too, but if you want to have me on again... Yeah. Can we talk about something from 1990 onward? Okay. Okay. Why? What was it? Was this... It was a tough one for me.  I feel like this is one of my worst participations ever. You were fantastic. Yeah. Well, it's a... I feel like I had nothing to say about old movies. Well, here's the problem. I remember the war. I mean, I was alive for the war. I remember protesting. What you said about nothing being up-to-date here reminded me of something I saw in a Mitzi game. She was hot. She had a real pair of getaway sticks. Getaway sticks. Welcome to the David Feldman After Show, where guests review how they think they did. Yeah, not good. Do you really... Honestly, because I... Yeah. Do you care? I felt totally out to lunch. Yes, of course I care.  But you work for everybody who loves you. What... Before you go, what are you brooding about? I'm not brooding. I just feel like I didn't... I couldn't really participate well in this conversation. Because I'm not like that deep cut when it comes to politics. Yes, you are. No, I'm not. Not in the way that you and Sam are or you, Frank. That's not true. It's not my... No, it's like one of these things is not like the other, as they used to say on Sesame Street.  Sesame Street, that's a really dated reference, by the way. You know, it makes me sad that kids don't watch it anymore because now there's like 500 million cartoons. It makes me sad. I thought you were fantastic. Yeah, I thought so too. Well, that's cute, but you don't have to say that. I thought you were fantastic. I think it's also insight into... It's interesting that you don't think that you were fantastic. Well, but I hate myself also, so there's like that factor. Frank, how do you think you did? I think I was my usual mediocre self. Nothing special. But thanks for having me on. Well, you know, I'm going to say something to both of you. I never take the two of you as her granted. I really don't. I have a little bit of a chest cold, so I could not laugh. You do sound really sick. In a way that I don't need... No, you usually have like a pretty resonant voice and you sound blocked up today. I'm sick. You choked on the word pedorass, so... What happened? How come pedophilia became the trendy word and pedorasty went away? Oh, I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, they mean the same thing, right? Now, do you know the origin? I've mentioned this on the show. No, I don't. Pedorasty comes from pedant. Like a pedant. Oh, like pedantic? Like a teacher. Oh. And it's also foot. Like pedicure. Right. This is my... So teachers have foot fetishes. Well, this is my fairy about the origin of the word pedophilia. That you would sit at the foot of your Greek teacher. Oh, I see where this is going. And then he would molest you. Like, you know, Aristotle. Because then, because if you were sitting at his feet, then your mouth would be at his P.P. level. Yes. Right. And then so that I think that the relationship to pedophilia... I mean, so you were a certain height. Pedicure, pedophilia, and peda... Pedagogy. Pedagogy. It's all the same thing. Gog, G-O-G is like gag, G-A-G. You sit at the feet of your teacher, and while he's... Which, why didn't they have better-sized classrooms back then? They had so much space. They had, like, the whole world practically. Right.  Anyway. For my school, it wasn't called... It wasn't called pedorasy. It was called confession. Okay. At our school, it was called Boys Soccer Team. Mr. Whistler.  Sure. And Frank Conniff's new book is 25 Mystery Science Theater 3,000 Films that changed my life in no way whatsoever. Very funny. And everybody, if you love Frank Conniff, and everybody does... And if you don't, what are you, a sociopath? Yeah. And I would say, too, that even if you're not a Mystery Science Theater fan, this book is kind of about a lot of other things, too. So you might enjoy it. Here are some of the movies. There are 25 movies he talks about. Side-hackers. Catalina Caper. Rocket Attack USA. Pod People. Time of the Apes. Stadio. It goes on and on. Monster Agogo. Stadio. The Beatnecks. Santa Claus Conkers the Martians. These are not intentionally funny movies. No. These are movies that were sincerely made. The key to a good Mystery Science Theater movie is the sincerity on the part of the filmmaker. He's a filmmaker who doesn't think they're being funny, who's not in on any joke, who's just sincerely... Edward is kind of the ultimate example of that. I actually write a very... Movies by Edward, not the film Edward starring... Well, the film, I love the film Edward, but the filmmaker Edward, I actually have a very admiring and affectionate chapter about him in this book.  Oh, yeah, yeah. There are movies that are either so incompletely made, you can't hear what's being said, you can't see what's happening. Are there any bad silent movies? I'm sure there were a ton of bad silent movies, but a lot of good and bad silent movies have been lost forever. So that's something you'll never be able to accurately... Who's that black silent filmmaker who made, like, 40 films in Chicago? Oh, Jolson. Al Jolson. No, no, no. It's like a French last year. Yeah, like Oscar Michaud or something like that. Like almost all his films have been lost to the sands of time, but apparently he made, like, really interesting, but also, like, incredibly poorly made. Yeah, and there was a guy who sang for Duke Ellington, Herb Jeffries, a black guy who starred in a series of low-budget black cowboy movies. Oh, right, right, right. My grandmother used to do silent porn. Oh, really? Yeah. Where she would, like, show her ankle? Like, just sort of lift up the smog, and there would be, like, a little ankle. Nice. No, she was the original tramp. What was her porn name? It was like... She was a tramp. She was a tramp. What was her...? I love fatty art books. Her porn name was, like, Millicent Dirt Road? She did. Her most famous movie was where there was no condom, Safety Last. She used to say, Bus My Keaton. That was her key phrase, Bus My Keaton. Nice. Yeah. Well, didn't she do that gang bang 23 Skidoo? Do you know the origin of the word? That's very funny. Do you know the origin of the word? Yes, I do. Tell me what the origin of the word is. Well, it comes from 23rd Street, Flatiron District. Yes. I don't remember where Skidoo came from. I think it came from those jet skis in the 80s. No. Skidoo? Go ahead. No, that was in 1984. 23 Skidoo. Yeah. It was brought by, and there were, like, the subway grades, and her skirt would blow up, and everyone would be like, Yay! And that turned into 23 Skidoo. You're almost there. You're almost there. When the Flatiron building was built, it changed the microclimate on 23rd Street, and it became windy. All of a sudden, 23rd Street... Oh, that's right. ...became very windy. Mm-hmm. And what would happen is, guys like Frank and I, this is the guy... It was you and Frank. Let's admit it. Yes. And Frank had his Flatiron building, because I'm being sure you had a chance of seeing ankle. Right. The wind meant that you could see a woman's ankle. These were the people who were subscribing to your grandmother's horns, right? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. When they got those flip books in the mail. Yes. Guys, I'm not making this up. Guys would hang out on 23rd Street to look at women's ankles being revealed by the wind. Mm-hmm. And the police would go, Skadoo! Get out of here! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Okay. And if you, in New York, any time a guy was hanging out on 23rd Street, the police knew what they were, they were looking for ankle, and the cops would go, Skadoo! Skadoo! And then it evolved into, you're giving me the 23... Like, so 23 Skadoo meant a brush off. It wasn't like me at all. You're telling me to leave. I'm getting the 23 Skadoo. Okay. It means get out of here. Okay. Because it means... I thought 23 Skadoo just meant kind of like, need-o. No. Okay. And then it was also a Greek neighborhood where they had schools and kids which show their ankles to the teachers to get better grades, and that's where... I felt like it was a valiant attempt at a call back. Yeah, it didn't happen. For those who are about to call back. But that's the truth about 23 Skadoo, and we're going to 23 Skadoo out of here. Let's hope so. Look, I got to go trolling for ankle if you know what I'm saying, so... I am headed straight to the Flatiron building. Man, this is some... Hopefully there will be some gents and capris. I wondered why I got a heart on every time I went to the Flatiron building. And it wasn't just that big clock? No. Or the Marmeco store? I get a heart on every time I walk by... Where was the Shirtwaist factory fire? Oh, Washington Square main building at NYU. Is it still there? Yeah. There's a plaque. It's a different structure now, but that's where it was. My great-grandfather was the guy who locked all the doors of the Shirtwaist factory, so they couldn't get out. Wait, for real? Yeah. So they couldn't get out. Wow. And it was a tragedy. Afterwards, he couldn't get hired anywhere. Was it real? The biggest... How old is that, Joe? How long have you been telling that, Joe? The thing that... I'm guessing I'm going to say 17 years. But you know what upset Chris Christie was the triangle cheesecake factory fire? It was these cheesecakes, you see, that were in the shape of triangles. Yes, and that went on fire. It was a tragedy. It was a prototype, and after that tragic event, they never made triangle shaped cheesecakes again. And he was so upset because he was so pleased by their unique shape. I'm just going to keep going. Oh, God. Tubercular, David Feldman. Jim Earl. He's like a low-budget Eugene O'Neill character, only Jewish. When we were doing the show live for KPFK, it was the 100th anniversary... Kapufka? Kapufka. And it was the 100th anniversary of the triangle Shirtwaist factory fire. And so Robert Smigel calls in as Willard Scott wishing 100... Oh, my God. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. You know, happy birthday triangle Shirtwaist factory. Oh, my God. Many more to come. And then we're live, and Jim Earl and I start talking about, what is a shirt waist? Like, what is it? And Jim goes, and there was no seven seconds away, Jim goes, I don't know what a shirt waist is. You know what? Screw them. I'm glad they all burned to death. No, but I actually have a... That went over really well on KPFK. Is not a shirt waist. What is a shirt waist? It's like, remember in the olden days how they made shirts without collars and cuffs? Like you would put them on with the brads or whatever? I believe the shirt waist was the fabric-y part. I.e. the shirt minus collar and cuffs. I'm so old. Possibly. I'm so old. Yes. Period. When I said I want to get some tail, it meant an actual woman with a tail. Nice, nice. That's how old I am. God bless. Pope Springs Eternal. From the show Briss Studios in downtown Manhattan, that'll do it for us. Let me tell you about a podcast that I listened to. Two of my friends hosted, and I think you should listen to it. Andrew Goldstein, maybe you remember him as my Jew on some of our more popular episodes of the David Feldman show. Andrew Goldstein is a brilliant comedy writer from MTV and Race Wars, and Matt Goldich writes for Late Night with Seth Meyers, a brilliantly funny comedian and comedy writer. They have a new podcast. You can download it on iTunes. 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I'm Mark McCaffrey with the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, California. My focus is on climate change education and also recruiting scientific organizations and professional societies to support our work in countering science denial. At the National Center for Science Education, we have been working around science denial issues for many years and we work very closely with what we call the skeptic community. It's a really interesting group of people who some of them are scientists, some of them are just science aficionados or advocates, enthusiasts who just love science. They might have seen cosmos as a kid or they had a great teacher who inspired them to pay attention to science even though they didn't necessarily pursue a science career. They call themselves skeptics because they like the skeptical nature of true science, of being able to investigate claims to see if they're legitimate or not. It's interesting there was a poll conducted recently here in the United States by some religious organizations and they use the term skeptics to describe people who essentially are denying or dismissing climate science and we felt like that was very unfortunate because true skepticism is really the lifeblood of science and yet it has been kind of hijacked in a certain way by people who say well we don't believe in climate science because we're skeptical of some of these claims that are made and in some way I think skeptical science has done a great job of reclaiming that word for the for science and that's really important. I think that there's in terms of using the word denialist or denier it's kind of a tricky thing because the sociology community talks about how there is like a spectrum or continuum of denial and some of it some of it is literal denial and in the case of climate change we still occasionally run into people who's saying climate change isn't happening at all it's a hoax etc there's a handful of folks who are out there and they're very vocal and it makes they make enough noise that it sounds like there's a lot of them but surveys indicate that they're actually relatively small group and then there's others who are more interpretive denialists if you will and they may say well climate change is happening but it's volcanoes or it's solar variability or something like that it's nothing we can do anything about but one of the trickiest things in denial is what sociologist Stanley Cohen calls implicatory denial which is kind of a strange word but what he is trying to point to is people who accept the science but deny the implications and deny the responsibility so those would be people he is actually not looked at climate change he studied more issues of atrocities and genocide and so forth and so what he has found is that people may accept that these there's these atrocities happening a lot of people here in the United States actually do accept that climate change is happening and humans have something to do with it but they're denying a new responsibility you know they'll say well it's the Chinese fault or the Indians fault there's nothing we can do about it we come up with all sorts of excuses for not taking our own responsibility for our contribution in our historic role and also our responsibility to helping others in the world to deal with the challenge of how do we become more resilient how do we deal with the fact that some of this change that is already happening is unavoidable so I think if when we talk about denial it's important to realize that it's not just the literal denial or the people who say it's volcanoes not humans that we also need to look at the fact that there's a sort of shadow denial if you will that has to do with more of our everyday experiences that we accept climate change is happening but it's also unthinkable in a way and the idea of actually doing something about it seems impossible in our everyday lives the science is obviously very complex it crosses many disciplines and historically in the United States it has tended to fall through the cracks and there's a couple of reasons behind that one is that we had national science education standards developed in the mid-1990s that did not include climate change and very little about climate in general as a result a lot of the states when they developed their own state standards didn't include climate change and then of course you know it crosses so many disciplines that even if it is in like an earth science course it may not reach a lot of students because earth science might be a class that only a handful of students who are going on to college actually take so it's there's a lot of reasons behind why climate change has not been taught or not been taught well here in the United States and in other countries it may be a very different dynamic because some countries have national curriculum and climate change is in that there was a study done recently about Chinese college students versus American college students and low and behold Chinese college students know about climate change and many U.S. college students don't and that's just a reflection of the fact that we have a very different system here in the U.S. and as a result way too many students graduate from high school and even college without ever learning the basics. Personally I think that education is a major driver. There was a study done by Tony Lizerwitz back in 2010 it's one of the few studies that's really looked in depth that people's knowledge about climate change and what he saw at that point was that fewer than one in five students say that they're learning a great deal about climate change in the U.S. and then he those of you familiar with the six America's framework they have these six audience segments ranging from alarmed at one end to disengaged and dismissive on the other end and that he found that the more people know about climate change the better they do on these knowledge quizzes and at the same time a lot of the alarmed failed to get all the answers right themselves and in a few cases there were instances where people who were dismissive of climate science and didn't take climate change seriously knew a little bit more about some aspect of the greenhouse effect or something like that but by and large if you know more you're going to be more alarmed was what he found. I think in public attitudes it's enormous there's a lot of the research around cultural cognition and so forth and there's obviously a lot of truth to the fact that especially if you don't if you've never learned the basics yourself and you're forced to piece together your understanding of climate change from bits and pieces of information from the media from you know people that you trust locally your uncle or whatever then you end up with a very kind of chaotic understanding of climate change and whether or not it's a serious issue so when it comes to ideological and cultural frames especially when there's such a lack of understanding of the basics to begin with the cultural frame often wins out over ignorance or over shallow understanding shall we say. The public really needs to have some basic understanding of climate literacy in order to make informed decisions and obviously not everybody has to be a climatologist or a renewable energy expert but to understand that climate change is happening this time around it's caused by humans that it's actually very serious especially on the trajectory we're going right now and there's very practical things that we can do to minimize the impacts and prepare for the changes that are already well underway when people understand the basics then they can make informed choices whether it's in the voting booth or in their everyday lives or in their careers that can really make a difference so climate literacy is enormously important it's been overlooked or treated as an afterthought for far far too long you know we've tried to use political persuasion and we've tried to find shortcuts so that we can you know put money behind a particular campaign and therefore whoever wins that campaign might have a better climate policy down the line why don't we invest some of that money into making sure that people especially young people have the understanding and get the tools and talent that they need to be able to not only make informed choices but pursue careers that will make a real difference in the long term 1992 the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change was ratified by the nations in the world and in that Article 6 of the convention talks about education training and public awareness and we've essentially done nothing but particularly in the United States you know the or we've been done very little so Article 6 talks about every nation needs to develop their own strategy for informing people for providing public access to information and really importantly for helping them participate in developing adequate responses to climate change that was over 20 years ago and we've done very very little the one thing that the United States has done probably in a very exemplary way is provide a public access to climate information but if you don't know where to find it or how to use it if you're not learning about it in school and making use of data in school as part of a science class or mathematics class then it's really not gonna make sense to you and you know that's contributed we've lost 20 years from from my point of view by dilly-dallying and trying to find these other shortcuts so why not as a sort of a all hands on deck all the above strategy try a little education for a change because it's been overlooked for two decades when teachers come to us and ask us you know I'm hearing this kind of excuse about why it's just natural cycles or this or that we point them to a skeptical science because that's really the go to place where you've got the simple answer to the question you've got a super well organized and for those who want to drill more into the actual data behind it and the actual science papers skeptical science provides access to that as well which is just an incredible resource but you know I think there's a lot that can be done just to help build people's capacity to make sense of different types of information if it's your uncle who just has a strong opinion about climate change as a hoax because blah blah blah you know is there anything behind that and you know understandably people have to be making decisions about the battles that they fight whether it's on the home front around the kitchen table or around family gathering do you really want to pick an argument with your uncle about whether climate change is a hoax or not or do we want to try to make sure that young people are learning in school about the basics of climate the basics of energy the next generation science standards here in the United States have set up a really kind of ideal situation where even starting in kindergarten young people are learning about the basics of climate and weather and how do we try to minimize our impact on the environment in general and then by the time they get to middle school six seventh eighth grade they learn more about climate change due to greenhouse gases you know before that they don't really have a firm enough understanding of the earth system carbon cycle and so forth to really fully grasp climate change you know at the same time a lot of times they'll have heard about it from their relatives or from the media and to be planting the seeds with them that that there's unanswered questions in science that we still are wrestling with there's career paths that are really exciting that don't exist today that if they can start to think about how can we move towards a low-carbon society there's just well-nigh infinite opportunities for young people to carve out entrepreneurial opportunities for themselves one of the characteristics that we see of people that deny for instance evolution is they will use sort of a pseudo scientific approach to nitpick things to death we see the same thing in climate science and they don't like being called deniers because the word is sometimes associated with Holocaust deniers or or flat earth people or whatever so when they use that argument I think it's just to try to distract from the real issue and sometimes it's a successful distraction what we have seen historically with people who deny evolution and here in the United States it's mainly been focused on wanting to have a alternative version like creationism or more recently intelligent design taught side-by-side with evolution in public schools and the courts in this country have to deem that that to be unconstitutional that you can't do that in because of the separation of church and state in the United States but the similarities are that the techniques are often to say that the science is bad in other words what they'll say is Darwinism evolution is bad science it's flawed and therefore our more robust alternative theory should be taught because there's all these other other unanswered questions so we see similarities with climate change where people will say that it's solar variability or cosmic rays or volcanoes are the problem and so attacking the science and also saying that the consequence consequences will be bad with evolution they'll say that if people think they come from monkeys that's going to have all sorts of terrible implications on the morale of society or the morality of society and in the case of climate change the implications of the science are that it's anti-capitalistic to suggest alternatives it's going to destroy the economy or one of the more clever ones is to say that it's going to take money away from fighting poverty that global poverty is really the big issue we should focus on climate change is not such a big deal and therefore if we're putting money into climate change it'll take away money from dealing with poverty so that's in a way that's a very clever gimmick to try to distract from the implications of the science and so there's those type of similarities there's a little bit of overlap in some of the cast of characters so for instance there's one particular fundamentalist Christian group in the United States that has ties to some politically left or right wing organizations and so they make that case that that climate change is a hoax and spending money on climate change will take money away from poverty efforts but by and large in this country and I suspect in Australia and other parts of the world where denial of the climate science arises the profile seems to be that the people that make the argument that the climate science is bad tend to be free market adherents who see the climate science as a threat to their ideology and I think that that has as I say a little bit of overlap with some of the religious groups but there's actually to the credit of many religious organizations around the world many take the climate change very seriously whether it's certain evangelical groups in this country certainly the Catholic Church and most world religions take stewardship of the environment and addressing climate change and poverty as core issues so there have been some interesting efforts in the United States to try to infiltrate climate denial into classrooms through developing curriculum not too many of them have made headway so for instance a couple years ago the Heartland Institute announced that they were going to develop curriculum that would be alternative curriculum that middle and high school students could benefit from in their in their view to show sort of the other side of what was being taught I think the more insidious issue in many schools is the fact that it's not being taught at all in many instances we're actually in the middle of a survey of middle and high school teachers here in the United States to determine whether they're teaching climate change how they're teaching it where they're teaching it and we'll know much more in a couple months about sort of the overall landscape but what we have seen as I mentioned there's a Lizarowitz study from 2010 that found one in five students have learned much about climate change in school it's probably gone up a little bit since then but we won't know until we get this survey completed to see how much of an increase there has been but the big concern for us is that all too many teachers are teaching both sides of what's really a phony controversy so they'll have students debate whether climate change is happening or not they'll encourage them to go visit different websites maybe point them to the Heartland Institute website where they can find out some of these spurious claims about the validity of the science in you know the base the best-case scenario when they do that type of activity is that the students will realize quickly that this the science on climate change that's peer-reviewed is really robust and the pseudo science is very thin and incredible but you can't guarantee that students in a middle school classroom are going to be able to know the difference and if the teachers themselves don't have the background then we've got a problem and you know we've heard recently that teachers in Oklahoma for instance are teaching both sides of this phony controversy on a very regular basis and it's hard to counter that because in the United States there's this notion of fairness and balance that is very ingrained in American society and epitomized on Fox News they're all about being balanced and fair supposedly and you decide there's some huge problems with that if people don't understand the basic science to begin with if they've never learned you know how climate and weather are related but different and so forth so being able to make informed choices and understand the science does require that literacy be an integral part you know starting ideally in elementary school when it comes to this teaching the controversy notion we discourage it very strongly in a science classroom in particular there may be classes where you can use debate and rhetoric you know having somebody make a case for their particular point of view in a civics class in a writing and rhetoric class for instance social studies perhaps where you can talk about the political landscape and so forth but in a science classroom in particular young people are there to learn about the science and all too often climate change has been missing hopefully we can remedy that quickly with the next generation science standards and so forth but there's a push to include argumentation as a part of a science class and again this is very tricky territory because argumentation can also be translated as debate and in fact argumentation really just means making a strong case and presenting it in a way where you've got strong evidence to back your claim and that you're able to you're able to present that to your peers and of course that's how science works through peer-reviewed journals and so forth and it's a good skill for young people to learn at the same time if you're going to be using argumentation slash debate in a science classroom it's really vital that the science be authentic that the science be current that you're not coming up with something that's a 20 year old debate about whether or not scientists believe this or that we have all these maps from the various models that show different parts of the planet heating up you know the 8 watts per meter squared looks like 10 to 12 degrees Fahrenheit average warming in a lot of the United States by the end of the century so forget about the two degrees global mean whatever you know that that's from my point of view as an educator that's a useless number and and four is no better frankly we really need to start making the connection between climate and energy both in terms of the earth system but also in terms of how energy in our lives and how we consume energy today is going to have a huge influence on climate in the future humans are a force of nature and we are causing more soil to a road than all the natural processes on the earth combined we have been clever enough to figure out how to fix nitrogen for fertilizers and we now fix more nitrogen than all the bacteria on the planet we are a force of nature and we have also discovered how to take buried solar energy from the ground we call it fossil fuels and dig it up pump it up and then burn it to generate energy for our lives and this has transformed the world in enormous ways it's given us this standard of living that we enjoy and are sometimes frustrated by because it's so hectic and chaotic sometimes but there's been many benefits that we have to acknowledge have come out of this reliance on fossil fuels the problem is when we're burning that buried solar energy we're also releasing carbon dioxide you know fossil fuels are essentially formed through photosynthesis from millions of years ago where sunlight is combined by plants and other creatures to pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere with water and turn it into a fuel and then it's transformed over time into fossil fuels and when we burn that fossil fuel for energy it releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that is adding to the imbalance of the earth's climate system and rather than talking about temperature I you know we talk about two degrees warming in this country that really doesn't mean much because two degrees is actually they're talking about Celsius in this country it's Fahrenheit that rules and two degrees Fahrenheit doesn't seem like very much but rather than talking about temperature I have found it much more I think accurate and helpful to talk about the amount of energy that we're adding to the earth's climate system since 1750 when the industrial revolution started we've increased the amount of energy in the earth system about three watts per meter squared or less than that actually if we continue burning fossil fuels as if there were no tomorrow sort of this burn baby burn scenario we will by the end of the century reach over eight watts per meter squared and by the year 2200 that'll go up to over 12 watts per meter squared and so we're not talking about just a little bit of warming global warming we're talking about a heating that is really unprecedented and we're currently on that trajectory we're heading towards eight watts per meter squared by the end of this century 12 watts per meter squared by 2200 and that is the reality so we have altered the earth's climate climate system and other environmental systems in profound ways and we should be smart enough theoretically through education to be able to really transform society so that we can minimize those changes we can turn schools into living laboratories where there's solar panels and energy efficiency throughout the buildings where we're able to infuse all the sciences not just the earth science but the physics and the chemistry and the biology with the social studies with the mathematics with the civics with art and so forth so this is happening it's not just pie in the sky schools are actually doing that here in there and many more can and should do that in the coming years and decades because that's what it'll take for us to not head towards over eight watts per meter squared and we should be smart enough theoretically


From Hollywood, the Phil Harris Alice Faye Show.  Tonight, throughout the world, millions of people are ushering in the new year. Some are celebrating it with their families, some are going to nightclubs, and others are spending a quiet evening at home with a few intimate friends. The latter is the case with Vells and Alice's sponsor, Mr. Scott. As we look in, Mr. Scott and his wife are checking their guest list. Are you sure you took care of all the invitations for our party, Clyde? Yes, I did, Myrtle. I mailed an invitation to the Bennets, the Peppers, the New Roths, and the Actman's. How about the invitation to Phil Harris? I dropped that down the sewer like we planned. Oh, you did, really? No, no, I mailed him an invitation. I sent it to Phil Harris, 176 Spruce Street, Kansas City, Missouri. But Clyde, Phil Harris lives in Encino, California. Know what I'm doing every minute. Well, you shouldn't have done it. I'd like very much to have Mrs. Harris here. So would I. She's a lovely person. And Mr. Harris isn't such a bad sword. No, no, I guess he's all right if you can stomach that sort of thing. I really don't mind Harris so much, but I just can't stand that ghoul that's always with him. Ghoul? Oh, of course, Mr. Remley. Now do me a favor, Myrt. The next time we're having a party, don't put Harris' name on the guest list. Well, don't blame me. You're the one who mentioned the party to him and I felt obligated to send an invitation. Well, I'd better go up and put my tuxedo on. The guests will be arriving in an hour. Well, don't upset yourself about Mr. Harris. He won't get the invitation, so he won't be here. Let's have a drink to that. Well, I don't want to stay home on New Year's Eve. It's seven o'clock already. Let's plan to go someplace.  We're not leaving this house until we get an invitation to Mr. Scott's party. But Phil, you've been expecting it all week. You've been sitting around in your tuxedo since Tuesday. Don't exaggerate. I only put it on when I got up this morning. What makes you so sure you're going to be invited? Oh, I saw Scotty the other day and he told me about the party and practically invited me. What do you mean, practically invited you? Well, I happened to be in his office the other day and I peeked over his shoulder and saw him making out his guest list. And I said, I don't see my name on there. And he said, it ain't because you're nearsighted. And I laughed and he laughed and, well, it's obvious. What's obvious? He didn't say I shouldn't come. Alice, I know he's inviting us. There must be an invitation in the mail. But it's Sunday. There's no delivery today. Well, then he'll send us a telegram. You've been calling Western Union all day and there's no message for you. Well, you'll find some way to get in touch with us. Look out the window. Maybe he's sending up smoke signals. Well, if it isn't my favorite brother-in-law, Tallulah Fahead. Stop kidding yourself, Philip. Mr. Scott is not going to invite you. He doesn't want you at his party. He doesn't want me? Are you kidding, Baxter? I make any party I go to. And if you don't believe me, ask any member of the Musicians' Union. I'm known as the Pearl Mesta of Local 47. She hasn't been invited any place since she married you. What are you talking about? When Alice was a star in pictures, she was invited everywhere. She had a date with one of her leading men every night. Men like Thomas Mehan, Wallace Reed, and Lou Colvin. Not to mention J. Warren Kerrigan and Snub Pollard. How about William Farnham and Richard Boston? All right already. That was before my time. Look, Willie, Alice gets to go out plenty since she married me. Maybe we don't go out with a movie crowd, but we get a lot of invitations from my friends. Only last week, we attended a formal three-cush and billiard exhibition at the home of Side Pocket Sang. That's right. He's the Beverly Hills socialite and snooker expert. And a lovely party it was. Wasn't it, Alicia? Oh, yes. Yes, especially the dinner. I asked a man at the head of the table to pass me the meatballs. What happened? He chalked up, broke them, and everybody got one except me. Alice, I'm sure that Mr. Scott went, uh-oh. Maybe that Scotty came over to invite us personally. I'll get it. Hi, you Scotty. We'll be glad to come to you. Oh, it's you, Remly. How are you?  I'll never do it again. I'll never touch another drop as long as I live. Oh.  You must feel terrible. No, I feel great. Then what are you doing? Practicing for tomorrow morning. Well, why do you have to say it tonight? Because I ain't going to be in no condition to remember it tomorrow. What are you doing tonight, Frankie? Um, nah, that depends. What are you doing? I'm going to a party at Mr. Scott's house. That's good enough for me. Frankie, you haven't been invited. What's that got to do with it? I haven't been invited to some of the best parties I ever attended. I'll be glad to go with you, Curling. I'll be glad to go with you. I'll be glad to go with you, Curling. I'll be glad to have you go except for one thing. I haven't been invited yet either. Oh. Well, in that case, I'll have to go without you.  Hello, Frankie. Oh, hello, Alice. I hear you're going to Mr. Scott's party. No, I'm not. I haven't been invited. I know more people that haven't been invited to this party. Mr. Scott hasn't asked anybody. I wonder if he asked Mrs. Scott. I just can't understand why he didn't ask me. Frankie, after the way you behaved at Mr. Scott's last party, you will never be invited to his house again. Why would I do? When you were leaving, you grabbed Mrs. Scott, swept her into your arms, bent her over backwards, and kissed her on the lips. That was an accident. I thought she was the maid. Well, if we're going to Scott's, let's go, huh? We're not going. Let's make a reservation someplace, huh? Okay, okay. Where do you want to go, honey? How about zeroes? That's where we spent our first New Year's Eve together. Do you remember? Yeah. Yeah, that was ten years ago. Gee, it was romantic. The moon was bright. The band was playing softly. And you were singing our song, The Thing. It wasn't The Thing, and besides you were the one that was singing to me. You were singing that beautiful ballad that I taught you. The marching song of the Confederate Army. Sing it again, will you, Mini Pearl? Ask me how do I feel? Ask me now that we're cozy and clean. Well, sir, all I can say is if I were a bell I'd be ringing. From the moment we kissed tonight. That's the way I just got to behave. Boy, if I were a lamp I'd light. Or if I were a banner I'd wave. Ask me how do I feel? Little me with my choir that's ringing. Well, sir, all I can say is if I were a gate I'd be swinging. And if I were a watch I'd start popping my spring boy. Or if I were a bell I'd go ding dong ding dong ding. Because how do we feel? From this chemistry lesson we're learning. All right, boys, how do you feel? Well, dear, all we can say is if we were a bridge we'd be burning. Ooh, I knew my morale would crack. You gotta be careful. From the wonderful way that he looked. Boy, if I were a duck I'd crack. Or if I were a goose I'd be cooked. Ask me how do I feel? Ask me now that we're fondly caressing. Wonderful, isn't it? Oh if I were a salad I'd just know I'd be splashing my dress in. Or if I were a season I'd surely be spring. Or if I were a bell I'd go. This is beautiful. Brings back memories to me. To me too. That was the night of the proposal. I'll never forget the way your face lit up when I said yes Look honey, if we're going to Syros you better go up and get ready. Okay, honey. I'll be right down. Hey curly Why spend a lot of money at Syros when we can go to a free party at Scott's house? Look remly for the last time I keep telling you we didn't get an invitation you give up too easy Maybe the man's been trying to get you on the phone and can't why don't you call him? Yeah Yeah, the least I can do is call and find out if he's been trying to get me sure huh give me that phone Yeah, no, I'm not going to invite myself I'm just gonna find out if he's been trying to reach me Hello, uh hello is mr. Scott there speaking. Who's this? This is Phil Harris So Sally you have a long and not more Hmm last time I called him he was a German delicatessen Wouldn't mind so much, but he's dialects are so loud Now look mr. Scott, I know it's you and I'm gonna keep calling you until you run out of those corny dialects. Oh nuts He's got me What do you want Harris? Well, I just heard you've been trying to get in touch with me all day. Is that right?  Scott being its new year's Eve I thought that maybe you and Mrs. Scott would like to go out with Alice and me we can't we're having a party You are Well, there's nothing like having a party and inviting your friends over to the house. I always say Yes, sir, that's what I always say and I wonder how long I'm gonna have to keep saying it before you think Harris I don't know what you're talking about Remly ain't taking the hand you ain't handling it right curly. Let me talk to him. Okay, but be subtle. Yeah Hello, mr. Scott. This is Frankie Remly.   What did he say he's begging us to come now? All right, mr. Scott will all be over in an hour and thanks for the invitation. Goodbye Scottie. Hello, Remly Hello, hello Remly Remly. I'll tell you I don't want you. Oh, well if he shows up I can always poison his drink Why you look terribly upset. What's wrong brace yourself, Myrtle? I Have terrible news for you. We're on the brink of disaster. Oh Clyde don't tell me the stock market crashed in your wife doll. Oh if it was only that simple This is much worse Remly is coming to our party. Oh, no Well, what are we going to do? I don't know. He's on his way over now, and I Myrtle, do you think we can pack and be ready to move in an hour? Why don't we just turn the lights out if he thinks nobody's home you'll go away not remly he'll break in Well, he's never been here. Maybe he won't find the place. No, no the Harris's have our address and they wait a minute They may have our address, but they've never been to the house if I could take the number off our house and put it on mr. Sweeney's house, but darling mr. Sweeney's the sheriff I Can't think of a better house for mr. Remly to break in now if you'll excuse me. I'll get busy changing numbers All right dear and just in case he happens to find our house I'll make preparations for his arrival. I'll lock up the silverware and I'll have the guests put their valuables in the wall safe And put my elephant gun in the vest of you Hey Alice if you're all ready we can start going over to the scots Are you sure mr. Scott invited us? Oh, he was very insistent wasn't he Frankie? Oh, yeah, he said he'd be very hurt if we didn't show up He threatened to shoot himself with an elephant So come on Alice, let's hurry let's go all right if you Feel what have you got under your arm? My music When I'm called upon to sing I want to be prepared How do you know the scots will ask you to sing? Oh? Doll how can you talk like that? They're sure to ask me to sing but in case they don't I'll suggest it I'll ask mr. Scott if he wants me to sing and before he has a chance to say no, I'll be into the song like this Young Johnny Jones. He had a cute little boat And all the girlies he would take for a float He had girlies by the score Sweet little peaches on the shore, but Johnny was a Weisenheimer, you know Steady girl was flowed And every Sunday afternoon they jump in his boat and they would spoon and then he'd row row row Right up that river.  He knew just how to land Then tales of love he'd tell the flow until it was time for them to go And he'd row row row on up that river. He would row so slow a huggy giver Then he'd kiss her now and then she would tell him when he'd fool around and fool around A little further he would row just he and flow Then he'd drop both his oas take a few more on course and then he'd roll Roll roll just to you in Florence roll roll right into heaven Row row he had no Johnson motor so Johnny and flow would row Hey Alice we ought to be pretty close to Scotty's house now. What was his number again? 1300 well, I'll drive slow and and you watch the numbers Remley, okay? Let's say this is 751<PHONE_NUMBER> there it is I don't get this. There's something wrong. Oh, what's wrong? I thought we did that very good 755 to 1300 and an even number on the odd side of the screen Well, you know Beverly Hills they got to be different Come on, let's get out. I don't see any lights in the house if they're having a party. Why are the lights out?  Don't be a wise guy They're not here for me. Must be mr. Scott's parole officer Come on, let's hurry in boy, I can't wait to get started in that money I want you to behave yourselves because Hey, it's Julius. Hey right in here kid Hey, old Joe, huh?  No cases of drinks for the scott's party Hey around Hey lefty, do you hear that? Four cases of this Yeah, two for each of us Hey What kind of stuff did they order kid old weapon poster tigers breath What could be better now, what are they order kid cherry pop cream soda and celery tonic? Well, I could see we're in for a gay time. I hope we're not too late for the first menu wet Oh Why are you wearing a tuxedo? Well, this is my last delivery.   Well, I think he looks very cute. Do you have a date tonight Julius? Yeah, I guess who I got a date with I don't know But I'll bet she's the best-looking camel in Beverly Hills She's not like they're close That's no way to talk about a girl you're dating I didn't want to date her. It's my cousin my mother's making me take her out What does she look like? Oh, you ought to see her. Oh, she a girl. Yes. She a girl That's the first question everybody Julius if you don't like the damn, what are you taking her out for she's got money. She's a debutant. Oh It's a side a girl is her name in who's who yeah, yeah, we better get in that party to before it's all over come on Now Frankie like you watch your manners tonight. Don't do what you did at the last party We took you to where I do wrong all I did was drink champagne out of a lady's slipper I know but you're not supposed to go around measuring which one has the biggest foot I This is very strange. There are no lights on nobody answers the door. Are you sure we have the right house? Certainly? This is number thirteen hundred Maybe they're in another room and can't hear us. I'll try that door. Oh, it's locked. Stop a sign. I'll get us in Frankie if the door is locked, how are you gonna get us in fortunately? I brought my axe I Frankie you can't batter the door down. Oh, don't be so formal I think maybe we ought to go home honey. We can't do that. We don't show up the scots will be insulted Now what was that I don't know I just happened to lean against the window with my axe in the pain splinter Cheap glass I Guess so Well, look as long as the wind is broken. Hey Julius long as that wind is broken.  Okay, I don't think we're doing the right thing Please Alice let us handle this they were nice enough to invite us to the party the least we can do is to make an effort to get in I Don't like the looks of this the room. It's pitch dark. Mr. Harris did the scotch know that you and mr. Remli was coming Yeah, maybe it's a booby trap I'm gonna turn the light on Hey This is a nice room and look what's on the desk what a gun pair of handcuffs and the sheriff's badge Isn't that cute Scottie's playing hoppy again? Oh There's the doorbell must be some more of the guests come in Why it's mr. And Mrs. Scott? Oh Mrs. Harris. Thank goodness. We got here in time in time She says you're two hours late for your own party. Yeah, where have you been Mrs. Scott? Mr. Harris my husband has a confession to make go ahead tell them Clyde Oh very well Harris I did something tonight that my wife tells me I'm ashamed of You see this house we're in All right, everybody stay where you are put your hands up mr. Sweeney. What are you people doing here? Look mr. Sweeney, I can explain this don't move or I'll put a hole through you Yes, sir. Don't let him bluff you Scotty jump. I'm gonna take his gun away I'd like to see you You can't talk that way to our boss the boss, huh? So you're the leader of this and now wait a minute mr. Sweeney I happen to be a respectable citizen of this community. Surely you've seen me around Yes, and I always figured a guy with a face like yours couldn't make his money honestly Dear talk to my husband that way tell my barker to button her lip You can't scare us let's rush him remley. Yeah, we'll take him apart you two take one step and I'll plug ya You mean if these guys take one step you'll kill him. Yeah, mr. Remley mr. Harris. What on your mark? Stop pushing get away from us. Come on remley. Let's take don't do it. You're making a mistake. You hit him high remley I'll hit him low It was you two fellas. Oh honey now.  It was all in fun after all it's New Year's Eve, and you Hey, it's 12 o'clock. It's the new year.  It's New Year's Eve, and it's a happy occasion and everybody wants to sing Alice Franky Julius And and how about you sir? Don't talk to me Harris a man of my importance in a patrol wagon This is the first time a thing like this has ever happened to me Oh, no, it isn't Clyde. Don't you remember the time they rated that burlesque show and you were oh Come on everybody, let's all be happy and sing Oh acquaintance be Forgot and thought to mind Should I forgot and day well tonight the old year goes out the new one comes in Let's all hold fate for this new year that the way for peace will be found But if not found let America be strong and not be found one Stay tuned for head of hopper then theater guild on NBC