Hey everybody, what's going on? I am Greg Sussman joined today by Jim Sonis of Fandle and Jim Way too much positivity from us over the last few shows and we talked about Winners after round one players whose stock is up after the draft now Unfortunately, it's time to talk about some of the players whose stocks are falling after the draft. What's happening Jim? Yeah, it's all good Greg Like you said is some stocks go up some got to go down there is always an equilibrium here and We're talking about the downsides here today and there are a lot of them Hopefully these guys are not on your dynasty rosters as several of them are mine And you could be a little bit more happy with how things stand after the draft How are you doing today great? No, my stocks pretty much in the middle right now So I'll take that as a win at this point. All right Let's begin our stock down portion of the hurry up. We begin We'll kind of we left off yesterday I told you I was excited to talk about Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love and that's what we're gonna begin Aaron Rodgers the stock is falling, but it may not be because of Jordan love We don't expect to make much of an impact this year But it's what the Packers did or didn't do around him which has a stock falling for me Yeah, it's all about opportunity cost here for Aaron Rodgers There are actually two things working against him The big one is that opportunity cost because taking Jordan love did mean that they could potentially have a starter down the road But it also means they did not address other needs and the Packers have a lot of other needs It's not just the passcatchers and the passcatchers are a major thing But also they lost their right tackle Brian Bulaga and yeah, they've got depth to help fill that role They signed Ricky Wagner and they've got some other guys who were there last you could fill that gap But it's going to be a downgraded right tackle regardless So you could have expected Rodgers to take a step back in 2020 Even though he wasn't that great to begin with in 2019 from a fantasy perspective But then you factor in that they didn't add the passcatchers and right now Their top guys are going to be Devonte Adams, Devon Funches and Alan Lazard And I think that Lazard is interesting Devon Funches in the past has been an okay player But that's not the type of core outside of Devonte Adams who elevates the quarterbacks Production pretty much every quarterback outside of maybe Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes is dependent on their environment Rodgers is no different. He needs guys around to perform in order to get a boost to his stats So I think that the downside there the long-term outlook is also negative because there's a chance that Rodgers Maybe the team Houston is being on the decline. I think that's some stats will back that up as well So that's also a little bit concerning here as well So both from a short-term and long-term outlook Rodgers stock is down for fantasy football And that's a tough thing from a dynasty perspective Maybe you can find someone who will buy into the angry Aaron Rodgers narrative and take him off your hands for you But things definitely pretty grim here both in the short and long-term That's not exactly how you want to see things by any means and it's really tough to get jazz But Aaron Rodgers whether it be for 2020 or going forward based on what happened this weekend when Tom Brady Officially left New England a lot of people pointed to the fact that they really didn't do enough around Brady to improve the wide receivers outside of Julian Edelman were kind of daring You know we to throw to the Green Bay and you wonder if Aaron Rodgers thinking the same thing that Tom Brady is that hey What about me? How are you gonna help me as I age as I'm not the same player? I wasn't my prime short He has Devontae Adams a little bit better than Julian Edelman, but after that Devon functions like this is this is what we're doing here It's not gonna be good enough Alan Lazarus, which is I love the lizard not gonna be good enough Rodgers needs help Packers didn't give him help Jordan love. Well, hopefully that time he's quarterback Packers will do a little bit more around him. They did around Rodgers Speaking of Tom Brady and his former team there were the Patriots that were just the Jarrett Stidham Who on the surface you'd think this guy's a winner from draft weekend because Patriots did not draft another quarterback and Not one of the big four quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round But you think he's stock is down a little bit here Jim, which is kind of surprising. How come? Yeah, I think that if you have Jarrett Stidham in a super flex dynasty league You should be ecstatic because starting quarterbacks are currency in those formats and his value just went up there That is undeniable the stock for Jarrett Stidham went up But at the same time the odds of Jarrett Stidham succeeds as the starting quarterback for England went down Because they didn't really do a whole lot to add talent around him You look back to last year Tom Brady finished 20 second in the league in per drop back efficiency based on the numbers at Number fire and Jarrett Stidham is not as good of a quarterback as Tom Brady You can be into Jarrett Stidham as a prospect But to say he is as good as Tom Brady was last year is a little bit of a stretch now There were some re-editions by injury because they get David Andrews back He was medically cleared to play once again their center Isaiah win may be healthy the full year they get a full year of the Q Harry Mahal it's a new so maybe you could count those as being additions because they'll be there for the full season Forward to England whereas they were not there last year But is that enough is that enough to elevate Jarrett Stidham who was a later-round pick last year didn't have great Efficiency stats at Auburn and wasn't older prospect coming out because he was a transfer There were a lot of questions about Jarrett Stidham's profile Even if you do buy into what he did earlier on in his career before that transfer and before going to a tougher Offense out in Auburn, so you can be into Jarrett Stidham And I think that again his stock did go up technically because they didn't draft a quarterback during the NFL draft But if you are sitting here right now, and you have Jarrett Stidham on a dynasty super flex roster I think you got to trade him out because the odds that he is super successful in this year as a Patriots quarterback are not all That high based on the talent around him and his stock may never be higher So yes in theory Jarrett Stidham could qualify as a winner But I think if you're thinking long term and trying to figure out the odds He holds down this job performs well enough to be the long-term starter for New England I think those odds actually went down so You want to play into the perception here and hope people are excited that Stidham is in line to be the starter now for New England because I don't think the outlook when he gets that starting role is all that optimistic So he's technically a winner, but also kind of a loser so a little bit confusing But I definitely think now is a time to sell on Jarrett Stidham based on what the Patriots did in this draft All those tight ends aren't good enough you'd be buying Jarrett Stidham stock right now. They're interesting I think that's for sure But are they gonna stretch the field and be legit downfield threats? We don't know and I think that's kind of what they're missing in this offense Maybe that can be Nikhil Harry, but there's still a lot to be proven We've seen the value of having you know downfield threats in the NFL and not sure the Patriots have one of those right now So I don't see the upside there for Jarrett Stidham Maybe he gets you a floor, but the upside still very much in question the upside in question Stop it's weird because Jarrett Stidham a winner of the draft weekend But his stock is also down at the draft weekend a little bit confusing there with Jarrett Stidham One player whose stock is dramatically down. I believe is Devon Singletary in Buffalo We were hoping and praying Buffalo would not bring another running back on leash Devon Singletary as we saw during the playoffs last season Unfortunately that exactly wasn't the case for Buffalo Yeah, it definitely wasn't and it sounds like things could be pretty grim here for Devon Singletary based on what they've been saying About Zach Moss since the NFL draft because I think that when they took Zach Moss You kind of knew that he would eat into the early down work for Devon Singletary and that's okay But once you dig into what Zach Moss did at Utah You see that he did get some passing down work and was not a negative in the passing game by any means So there's a chance he could get some work there and also he profiles as being a legitimate goal line back and singletary already had questions About his touchdown upside because Josh Allen is also essentially a goal line back in that offense There was one guy to take away opportunities there now Moss is another one within this offense So I think that we still could see a scenario in which Devon Singletary gets maybe double digit carriers per game They can get five or so targets in which case he'll be flex worthy. That's totally okay But if those carries go down anymore and he loses any passing down work you add on the loss of goal line work I mean start to see a situation where Devon Singletary Doesn't carry all that much value for fantasy going forward now that may be the worst case scenario And I don't want to project that necessarily necessarily for Devon Singletary But I think with the initial reaction to the Zach Moss pick you could have still thought that Singletary would serve a pretty valuable role But I think the more you dig in the more you hear what they say about Zach Moss's outlook in Buffalo It starts to get a little bit more foggy So even if you're down on Devon Singletary It might not be a bad time to see what you can get it for him out there See people buy into the talent because the touchdown upside Basically not existent at this point and there's a chance things could get even worse once we get into the actual season Yeah, I think it remains to be seen what kind of role the Zach Moss is going to play on this team You did hear what Brandon Bean was saying what Shawn McDermott was saying about him being a goal line guy getting some early down work And you get a little bit nervous, but hopefully they know exactly forget What Devon Singletary meant to this team down the stretch and how important he was in all facets of the game early down work on the Goal line and certainly in the passing game as well. I think Devon Singletary is gonna have a role It's gonna be up to him to see how big that carve-out is going to be though Another running back who you are wondering about at this point. It's Aaron Jones He's a very popular target or in early rounds last season But Packers when they brought in help for Aaron Rodgers It was another running back and it was the phenomenal AJ Dillon Which means Jamal Williams Aaron Jones They're gonna be fighting for everything that they can get and that's not exactly great news for their fantasy stock Yeah, I think there are two big concerns here where there are Jones The first one is how high they took AJ Dillon because he was a second round pick And you don't generally pick guys in the second round to have him sit on the bench He's probably gonna be playing a pretty decent amount That's probably a bigger concern for Jamal Williams than it is for Aaron Jones But it's also the type of touches that AJ Dillon is gonna get going back to the conversation We just had around Zach Boss is where are the Packers gonna go for the money carries toward the goal line because Aaron Jones Was due for touchdown regression to begin with he scored 19 total touchdowns last year That number was gonna come down just because it's hard to repeat an outlier type performance But now you may take away some of those easy chances of touchdowns Which means the regression could be even more egregious for Aaron Jones Here if AJ Dillon does wind up being a goal line type back to this team now Aaron Jones I think the floor for him is still being the main receiving down back to this team and Probably getting more carries per game than AJ Dillon but you take away some of those money carries and Spread out that early downwork even a bit more and things get a little bit hazy And once again the Packers did not do a whole lot to address their skill position guys outside of AJ Dillon Which means that the touchdown upside for this offense in general may be muted if they can't move the ball So I think there are a lot of concerns here for Aaron Jones now I think it's this is due for a word of caution here that people could over react to the addition of AJ Dillon because again I think this impacts Jamal Williams more so than Aaron Jones So while I was kind of okay selling low on Devon Singletary I'd see what the market is for Aaron Jones and don't over react to this because again, he's a very talented player He's probably still gonna get the passing down work, which is where he can be really good So I don't think we need to necessarily abandon ship here and if people are gonna low ball you don't bail You know hang on Aaron Jones and see what happens But it does at least necessitate seeing what the value is for Aaron Jones seeing if you can get Uh, you know good value in return Because the the amount of draft capital spent in AJ Dillon and the potential for even more harsh touchdown regression Does scare me quite a bit with Aaron Jones. So at the beginning of that use a really good word That was hazy and that's what kind of this backfield for Green Bay is between Jamal Williams Aaron Jones and now AJ Dillon There's 19 touchdowns that you mentioned a few times there for Aaron Jones They're not replicable and you bring it AJ Dillon We're not exactly sure what his role is going to be but you do know he's going to have a role as you said Be a second round draft pick you're not drafted to sit on the bench. Yes Maybe Jamal Williams will be more affected absolutely and Aaron Jones is going to lose some carries as well For the first time really ever that I can imagine I don't want to invest in the Packers offense Which means or at least heavily I should say in the Packers offense Which means we're going to pause and kind of wait and see how things play out Of course unless you get a draft day bark Who would ever thought that Mohammed Sunoo would have an effect on marking group? But it's true when mark Ingram was sorry when Mohammed Sunoo was traded away to New England New England gave up a second round pick and that second round pick went to Atlanta And ultimately wound up in the hands of the Baltimore Ravens who then drafted JK Domins Which means mark Ingram should be angry at Mohammed Sunoo Yeah, definitely because this really does hurt the the short term in the long term outlook for mark Ingram Because you don't get mark Ingram his main appeal was that he was a clear-cut top guy In a really good offense that the Ravens would use in high leverage situations That was the main appeal for mark Ingram Justice Hill wasn't getting the job done Gus Edwards would come in in garbage time So you know there were guys there but mark Ingram when the game mattered was going to be the guy for the Ravens Now that may not be the case because JK Domins was a legitimate workhorse at Ohio State this past year He had 301 carries and 23 receptions and he had 22 receptions or more All three years he was at Ohio State So you know the JK Domins can get the job done the passing game and he can carry a major load as a rusher as well So that hurts the long term outlook for mark Ingram because he's probably going to be the replacement for Ingram down the road But it also hurts his short term outlook because Domins is good And seems more likely to see passing down work and cut into Ingram's role before You know, you had guys like Edwards and like Justice Hill and when they were on the field He kind of knew it was going to go down if it was Gus Edwards probably a run Justice Hill probably a pass which JK Domins it could be either. He's a versatile guy And he kind of fits more with mark Ingram and kind of be that guy can be out there at all times So mark Ingram is still going to have a role in 2020 for this Baltimore Ravens offense They're still going to be run heavy They're still going to pound the rock and Ingram's still going to benefit from being from that offense being as good as it likely will be but It's hard to see him having some sort of workhorse type role and It's also potential that we could see JK Domins get those high leverage touches that Ingram pieces on last year His workload is actual usage straight up usage wasn't that good to begin with last year? And now there are questions about what that that workload potentially coming down even more so Mark Ingram a pretty big losing here both in the short and the long term JK Domins could be the guy as soon as this year which is exciting for him for sure But for mark Ingram, it's definitely a scary proposition. I'm nervous about mark Ingram I'm nervous for what the Baltimore Ravens have in store. I Basically feel like I had Justice Hill on my bench all year last year waiting for him to take over for Ingram didn't happen But the Ravens were so good at the draft and so good at maneuvering the draft board They're not wasting a second round pick on a running back that they don't plan on giving a ton of touches to Mark Ingram may be the present but the present may be getting a little bit more into the past Because justice hill. Well, he's not going to be an issue JK Domins. He is the present. He is the future You're investing in him on draft day One last player whose stock is down coming out of the draft. Unfortunately, that's the Andres Swift He's a guy you really like coming into the draft and you really liked potentially going in the first round It didn't happen in the landing spot. Well, that wasn't exactly great either Yeah, I think that with the Andres Swift being on this loser list It's all relative because the landing spot wasn't objectively bad for Deandre Swift because the lions do have a good quarterback We want, you know, we want to tie our Backs to good quarterbacks. They can score touchdowns. They have a tolerable offensive line. They've got good weapons there So they can move the ball and score touchdowns. The landing spot itself is not all that bad The problem that Swift had is that his landing spot wasn't as good as the other top backs in this class So Swift it's just fine his landing spot everyone else seemed to land up in an ideal Location from a landing spot perspective. So Swift is going to come down and rookie drafts without actually moving himself It's just that everyone else moved up whereas he kind of stayed even with where he was I think this presents an interesting opportunity here because if Swift does slide in rookie drafts because Of this landing spot. I am super intrigued in snagging him because I love his long-term outlook still as you mentioned Greg I was in him coming into the draft I still like that because he profiles to get a lot of work in the passing game Which is so so valuable for running backs in fantasy and he's going to be that goal line back For the lions as well and again Matthew Stafford is good offensive line competent There are a lot of things to like with Deandre Swift still so The stock goes down relative to other backs in this class But that does not mean we should abandon ship on Deandre Swift He is still a very valuable dynasty assets carry on Johnson may not be a long-term solution there for the lions So he may not even be a timeshare for all that long So yeah, deandre swiss relative value to other picks in this class did go down But it's still okay And I still think that we should be into him if he does wind up sliding a little bit in those rookie drafts The outlook is still very good. The profile is still really good He's still someone who could who could wind up being a major fantasy stunt So the stock comes down, but still a guy we should be into once those picks come along It's kind of interesting that you put Deandre Swift on the stock down list for the reason he mentioned But not carry on Johnson. He's talking about carry on a little bit there His stock has to be really falling after this draft picked by the lions Yeah, I think that one kind of goes without saying you could have said the same thing about you know Like mark engrup and eric jones where it kind of goes without saying but I think that carry on Johnson The tea leaves were there and you could kind of tell that the lions were going to invest in a running back pretty early They took one literally at the top end on the second round So I think that his stock fell the most kind of needed to talk too much about him But I think that yeah things are are pretty tough there between the health between the tea the coaching staffs We're reluctance to give him a a major workload even before that So I think it's pretty much to put here and deandre swift is a guy you want to own Both now and in the long term much like jk dawnings deandre swift is the present and the future in detroit Even if you still believe in both scar bro, and you're still banking on carry on johnson Oh, doesn't matter deandre swift is the guy that you're going to want to own for the lions That's gonna do it for us here on the fan. We'll hurry up jim. We appreciate the time It was awesome hanging out during the draft The question is what's next great question. I have no idea your guess is as good as mine Maybe we get naskar back soon. Maybe we'll talk rocket league, which I know nothing about we'll figure it out Greg we're gonna play this thing as it goes along. We'll see all right. I'll be here for you'll be here for I hope everyone be watching you'll be here too for jim sannis. I'm gregg sussman. Thanks so much Hope you enjoyed the hurry up. We'll see you next time. Stay safe everybody


nister of canada and she served in 1993 becoming the first woman to hold the office previously she has served as minister of four indian affairs minister of justice and attorney general minister of national defense and minister of veterans affairs after becoming leader of the progressive conservatives and prime minister she implemented radical changes to the structure of the government this included the redesign of eight ministries and the abolition or merging of 15 others additionally miss cambell consolidated more services for the canadian people by creating three new ministries health canadian heritage and public security throughout her career miss cambell has been deeply engaged in international issues including law reform criminal justice international trade and security miss cambell it's an honor thank you thank you very much it's an honor to be here um i came i i wanted to sit through all of the panels today and they were absolutely excellent and i thought that i would be able to do an easy reprise of the main points made but unless we are prepared to spend the weekend together i can't do that so let me just use the few moments that i have to tell you first of all what i'm doing here i'm actually in new york because yesterday i participated as a member of a global commission on climate overshoot and we uh presented our report and had our our press conference and my colleagues at the club de madrid of which i'm a founding member said well you're in new york would you like to participate in this wonderful democracy event at the un and particularly because partnering with international idea which was been a partner of the club of adresonship was founded i was very happy to do this and and i'm very very pleased and actually i think i once did some things with the international center for the study for nonviolent conflict so many of that my my past is coming back to me here if all these wonderful people uh involved in in organizations that have been important to me inclusion and barriers to democracy are really fundamental the club of madrid incidentally was formed in 2002 after a conference in madrid the previous fall on democratic transition and consolidation and it brought together current and former democratic leaders and there was such an interesting chemistry between the former leaders who weren't running for anything i could be very candid and open about the challenges that they faced and the current leaders who were interested to meet people who had been there and done that and get their advice that we thought there might be a purpose and a role for an organization that would bring together former democratically elected heads of state and government and we started out with 34 uh members and now have over 110 and it's the largest forum of former democratic presidents and prime ministers in the world and when we were formed in 2002 we were celebrating what many people talked about the third wave of democratic transition as you may recall some of you who are old enough how optimistic we felt and how wonderful it was to see countries of the former soviet bloc working to create democratic governments it was just it was wonderful changes in latin america it was really a very exciting time but today we're not feeling quite so optimistic in the course of the club of madrid's development we've tried to look at what are the challenges to democratic development and one of our most important program is called the shared societies program and it's very much linked to your discussions today because uh as we identified 90 of the countries of the world have minorities of at least 10 and what we try to do in our shared societies program was to create a toolkit of things that could be done to help countries create truly democratic governance in the context of divided and varied and diverse societies and many of the things we've talked about are things that you have raised today there's been a lot of wisdom and and and experience a number of years ago i attended a meeting in the hay which was involved in discussing whether the european union should create something like the national endowment for democracy should it create a democracy promotion body and although i once spoke to a group there and said you know you already are a democracy promotion body because the the process of exceeding to your eu membership accomplishes things that you know voluntary political reform never could political reform is one of the hardest things even for mature democracies but with the a key of policies that and countries need to adopt in order to have eu membership they were able to leapfrog all of the all of the arguments my my club of madrid calling valdas berkovs who was prime minister of latvia during that period of negotiations said that his negotiators would come back from brussels and they'd say we have to do this because brussel says we have to do it and he was saying no we need to do it because it's good for latvia but you'd never get it through parliament just because it was good for latvia you really had to have that other carrot and stick and so in fact eu membership turned out to be a very valuable uh device for for helping countries move to democratic reform but i remember in that meeting in the haig the late uh ralph darendorf or darendorf gave opening remarks and he said the fundamental uh characteristic of democracy or condition for democracy for our our poor discussion earlier is not elections they are necessary but not sufficient condition it is the rule of law it is this notion that the the law will will protect and that we you are governed by laws not not by people but as we've also talked about today the law is not distinct from social values and those of us who have made the laws understand how much they are in fact a reflections of those who get to make them and that is why this notion of inclusivity um and and uh and diversity for for good decision making is so important and in my own political career i have learned so much from sitting down with people who were not at all like me and had totally different values and i they have kept me from making some really stupid mistakes so um it's a really important uh important aspect but it also means that the democratic narrative is essential we all tell stories and we all have stories of our countries and sometimes those narratives are wonderful and sometimes they're very dangerous i think about the indigenous people in my own country who would say our exclusion from the narrative i mean there are good narratives if you read about the role of first nations women in helping to open up the west they they were a liaison often between the early fur traders the husband's bay company people and their own communities they played remarkable roles but the roles of so many people in our societies are not written into the narratives are not written into the history so one of the most important things we have to do if we are committed to inclusion and and the ability to achieve our goals by an inclusive embrace of every aspect of our society is to ask what are the stories that we're telling what are we saying about people why do young children learn about certain members of the society and that can be different ethnic groups different groups of immigrants indigenous people etc and particularly the gender differences for women myths and stereotypes have been a constant issue when i became prime minister of candidate nobody who looked or sounded like me had ever done that job before and i have to tell you that for the Ottawa press gallery this was a serious shock and and and difficulty because i just didn't look or sound like anybody who done that job and so every time we we we broaden the net every time we bring new and different people onto the landscape of who gets to make the decisions we change people's sense of how the world works little children who grow up seeing a gender diverse and ethnically diverse society and people of all different colors sizes shapes levels of ability sexual orientation playing important roles in their society have a very different view of how the world works than people who have a much narrower view so we need to have the narratives that come from the landscape itself from what people see and the stories that we tell i was telling somebody yesterday about uh my own view about how you my own narrative and my own understanding of the world has changed i sometimes say my life is consisted of learning and unlearning many things but may most of you are probably not old enough to remember when title nine passed in the american congress in 1972 and this was the law that said that if there were programs funded by the federal government they had to be equally available to men and women and this included sports and of course that was a very shocking thing because many people said well girls don't want to be involved in sports as much as boys do and you know isn't that how we we keep men from becoming totally uncivilized you know we throw them into teams and they they you know work off their their energy but what would and and i knew birch by who was a senator who was uh part of the congress that passed that legislation and i remember later meeting him and saying you know i don't know if in 1972 i would have supported that because i might have assumed that there was more interest in athletics you know in colleges and schools among men than among women but i would have been wrong because what was interesting is that once title nine passed and all of a sudden there was funding for women's sports out of the woodwork came all of these women who wanted to play on teams who wanted to play in sports and it was a very important lesson to me you can't tell by what people what people can do or what they want to do by what they are doing because what they are doing is what they're able to do what their society lets them do and when you take away those barriers you suddenly discover people doing amazing things whether it's people you know becoming scientists or athletes or whatever uh where where previously they hadn't been admitted into those those circumstances and so this sense of the narrative is so important a number of years ago the new york times introduced a new feature in its obituary column called overlooked no more which presents obituary articles about remarkable people who because of their gender because of their background or whatever were not written about when they died and you read some of these stories and you go these are amazing people why don't i know about this person and every time i read a story about an amazing woman an amazing person i've caught her somebody who whose story i didn't know i feel cheated i think i needed to grow up knowing that person when i saw that film hidden figures about the three remarkable african-american mathematicians slash computer programmers who actually made nasa possible if you haven't seen the movie find it i'm sure it can you can find it online but aside from it being a remarkable story i mean and the incredible racial you know prejudice that they dealt with but these extraordinary women one of them a mathematics prodigy but i i felt cheated i said i have been diminished growing up not knowing about that because not knowing those stories plays into my kind of lazy bigotry my expectations that the world is as i see it and we all have it and when we understand we have it we can struggle against it and once we struggle against that we start telling the narratives then we begin to enshrine that inclusion in the law in rights in anti-discrimination and we give people vehicles that they can use in a democratic society to protect their rights to be included so one of so much of of populism i think is based on is fueled by false narratives by people who tell exclusionary stories i remember you know we just had the the anniversary of 9 11 which was a terrible thing but i remember the the islamophobia that it engendered and that it's a credit to to president or zombie bush that he made an effort to avoid that and to try and make sure that this did not become an excuse to target islamic members of american society but i remember i see people say well you know what have what have muslims ever done and i'd say i'm uh how about algebra i mean there is a whole culture and history and contribution that we don't know about a woman called noises McSweeney has just published a book called the west a story in 14 biographies where she writes about people who were integral to the sense of of what we call western culture but we're not the traditional suspects it wasn't just an unbroken line from classical greek and greece and robe there were so many people from around the world and so many different types of people who contributed to what we think of as as this western culture which is really not so west and maybe not always so cultured so my last comment is that a number of people have said that democracy is not perfect and incidentally libraries are at the heart of this capacity to to to to steward and share knowledge and whenever people are out burning books you know that's a sign to to get nervous but democracy is a blunt instrument it's not a precision tool it is something that has to constantly be fostered developed perfected uh improved and it is fragile because it's various very norms can be used to undermine it and we see this happening where people use the institutions of democratic society often to pursue goals that are not very democratic american democracy was a model because it was founded on a document that represented an idea and i mean people would would would aspire to have something so so similar and in canada when we created our own charter of rights and freedoms this was considered in our society an opportunity to have an actual constitutional document that would articulate our rights and give us an instrument against which we could we could measure whether governments were observing those rights but this week senator mit romney uh announcing his retirement said that many of his colleagues don't believe in the constitution and this is a very worrisome thing and it undermines again this notion that that democratic values uh can be under threat that democracies need to be protected that they are they are a constant commitment that we all have to have to observe and that social values are essential because we see that where the values of inclusion are not present people will try to undermine the democratic structures in my own experience i served at all three levels of government in canada and i strongly support the notion that local governments are very important and often people's view about democracy depends on whether their potholes are getting filled or whether their schools are being properly run and so all levels of government in a democracy are extremely important for its credibility i dealt with many difficult legal issues particularly as minister of justice when i dealt with issues like gun control and gay rights and and sexual assault and i learned there what what you've talked about is the importance of consulting and in fact one of my successors as justice minister was asked if she wanted to follow the Campbell mode of consultation which went far beyond the usual suspects that a justice minister usually spoke to about the legal reform and as i say people taught me so much but yesterday i just wanted to finish by saying yesterday i was at the presentation of the our presentation of the climate overshoot commission and one of our recommendations is of course that fossil fuels have to be phased out and we think it needs to be done in a differentiated way that the developed countries have to take the lead and do it but after the our discussion about all the things that in our report somebody said to me do you think that democracies can phase out fossil fuels do you think a democratic politician could run on a platform of phasing out fossil fuels and be elected and that was a very interesting question because of what it says is that democracy is facing so many challenges that where there are vested interests and powerful financial interests and people who do not want necessarily for governments to govern in the interests of everybody that democratic politicians and policymakers really have their work cut out for them so celebrating democracy today on international democracy day is such an important thing and thank you for all of the wisdom and wonderful experience that our panelists have shared today thank you for remembering that we didn't get here by accident a lot of people paid with blood with reputation with disappointment and and dealing with oppression and discrimination to get us to a stage where we can sit in this wonderful room and talk about this great value but i want to say it's an honor and a pleasure to have been here with you today to say to you that that i for one am committed to the fight and i know that there are so many people who are because without democracy none of the challenges that we face in this world will be resolved and so this has to be our life's work thank you very much due to the time we need to release the interpreters so now we will just have English but thank you Mrs Campbell for your inspiring closing remarks they do encapsulate the significance of our discussions today and the imperative to continue our efforts to fortify democracy worldwide so since it's 105 i just want to thank everyone for being here for joining us for international democracy day goodbye and take care thank you