is the new communications manager for the town on friday from eight to as eight to ten thirty i think eight thirty to ten um at the overbuilding at umass we had been asked to hold one of these things at umass and this is a great opportunity she's part of the school public policy program they have talked it up at the university it also coincides with several things that are happening at the university this week which includes the mass municipal management association conference the um what is called elected leaders or ELGI meeting and then there's the women in government meeting all happening at the same time so uh it's a it's a busy day at umass and also very proud that the town is now part of a um partnership with umass in the international city management association to have a student chapter at umass so those are all very good things um in your packet you and i wrote in it there is the new alliance between the jones library and the friends of the jones library to coordinate their fundraising and the actual agreement is in your packet um there is one these sculptures i believe are all removed at this point the from the cross town culture culture xtca there's one sculpture that's still in kendrick park we're negotiating with the owner of that sculpture to keep it for one more year with a defined termination so once we get all the liability issues and all those things worked out will be good to go with that um the um town clerk and her whole staff worked really hard to conduct two elections on election day and pulled them off successfully um we learned a lot she has a lot of ideas after going through this process about polling locations how she wants to set it up how she wants to staff it going forward how to publicize things and i think with a new council they'll all have a direct experience with the election process and we'll have their own ideas um as part of that process the town clerk is having debriefing meetings with all the wardens to find out what worked what didn't work in your particular warden um you know one idea she has already surfaced with me is maybe we should be making greater use of town existing town staff so there aren't as many people calling this sick you depend a lot on people to come in this isn't uh and just show up on that day and um this is an unusual election because there's two elections it'll never happen again because from now on all local elections will always be in the odd numbered years in all state and federal elections will always be in the even numbered years um so this is one of those oddball things but we will have more elections coming up and she wants to get it right um let's see the half marathon that went on uh sunday no was it sunday a week ago um went off successfully um it was uh it was unfortunately on homecoming weekend for you for the university and i talked with the owner of one of the establishments in in kushman and asked if it was was helping his business or hurting and he said it doesn't help it and they were busy he says but homecoming is one of their biggest weekends of the year so i think in all in future um scheduling we should avoid homecoming because that's an important day for a lot of businesses and to disrupt traffic a little bit um was a little bit problematic for them um the um congratulations to lssc for his 50th anniversary halloween fest which went out they had hundreds of kids downtown they thought about almost 500 uh people downtown for this event it was a really important thing um talking about that the um wanted to announce in your packet is a memo from the group that we set up to review marijuana licenses request for recreational retail marijuana licenses and um just to give a little background on that they were we received um we put out basically an rfp uh for who wanted to open up a retail uh which is recreational marijuana store um in the town there were six responses that were received they went to a town review team that included um the um building commissioner the fire chief um let's see who else was on it please i'm sorry planning chief the planning director the health director economics development director and miss kruger from the select board and they interviewed all you you may want to talk about this through and came back with a recommendation of three that we should pursue with a host community agreement so uh that the host community the draft host community agreement was finalized on friday it went out to all of the um prospect prospective um applicants so the goal on that is to get that um wrapped up and get those host community agreement signed so they can move forward to the state which is what that's the thing they need to do for the state so the reason we're all looking confused is you emailed us that report but it's not on our desk tonight so we have your town manager report but we don't have the additional attachment that you provided us it wasn't attached to a town manager report okay that's my bad it's just but that that's why we were like going like that's like we know we've seen it where is it it's not in our packet it was emailed to us it was not in our physical packet it was not on our desk tonight but we did read it in email because we do we just jump and read your emails as soon as they come in no matter what but it wasn't in the PDF that's what that was I emailed out last night no it was in the p it was not on your desk it's not in our desk it's not in our hard copy we have nothing to look at so what i'm saying is could we make sure that it gets i'd like it to be separated from the town manager report when it gets uploaded so that people can easily find it right because that was a very useful yeah the thing that you just told to us that you had previously emailed us okay so but we don't want it buried at the end of the town manager report if you could just everything on the town manager reports none of us buried it's very important but read the entire time and separately um what are the things so let's see um oh uh we are going to we're going to start alerting people that it's supposed to snow on thursday night i don't think we're going to need a snow ban but we're using this as an opportunity to start alerting people that we do have snow bands that do come out come up and using the next day or two to start to send out alerts saying pay attention to the weather if it's a snow ban the blue lights will blink we have a whole protocol of things that we do it probably won't be needed because i don't think the weather's going to be that bad but we thought this was a good opportunity especially before thanksgiving to say these things happen if you're going to go away for thanksgiving think about where your car is things like that so you'll see some notice about that and you'll say it's not going to snow that badly but this is more of a practice to help people understand remind people that winters here be prepared um let's see update on station road bridge replacement so so far what we have a as you all know we had a public meeting that was very very well attended at the fort river school seems like maybe two weeks ago and we have have a web presence with the um with a bunch of material on it memos and a frequently asked questions memo that tried to address many of the questions um as of today what the superintendent has said is what has already happened is that the wetlands delineation has been completed the delineations determine the presence location and physical limits of wetlands and surface water in accordance with local state and federal methods we've also completed the survey work which is the fieldwork that collects physical information such as wetland flagging existing utilities pavement bridge structures significant trees and other drainage structures so that is done what's going on right now is the an existing condition plan is being prepared which we think that will be in mid uh december this step takes the wetland delineation and survey fieldwork which is now completed and prepares an existing conditions base map used in the design process to determine impacts of the proposed plan um we're preparing the mass department of transportation municipal small bridge program application which that may be done in this week um this is the end this is how we apply for funds for state funds to for the bridge replacement and then we're working on the design of a replacement bridge which is we expect the 10 design which is the first step to be done in january this is the analysis that will develop the basic bridge replacement concept for permanent and temporary structures so we're moving forward on both permanent and temporary because if we if if we're going to have to make a decision at some point that says whoa we can do a temporary but that means you know permanent replacement is extended out maybe if we are a little bit we keep the bridge closed a little bit longer we can get the permanent bridge done right away without doing the temporary so there's going to be a decision point all the work that's being done now is going to be needed for whether we do temporary or permanent no matter what all the wetlands work and all that kind of stuff um the geotechnical borings this is the actual collection of subsurface material that is analyzed to develop the foundation for any new structure that's scheduled to be done on december one and the dot will begin review of this of our small bridge application as soon as we submit it so i'll upload this to the website so everybody in scent will keep people noted up to date on what's going on on this because i know this is a hot button issue and very important to people because it infringes on their daily lives so we're going to continue to work on this going forward let's see so on the station road bridge on the station no sorry puffers pond we are now going into the permitting process for that conservation has determined that that hammerhead thing is probably going to need some permitting through conservation so they're beginning that process and so it won't infringe on us being able to get this done in a timely manner but it is another step we have to go through for that um gruff park we went out for bids the bids came in too high and so we didn't have enough money to do it so um we are looking at doing two things one is and we went out to bid at a certain time of year where we were worried about uh companies feeling like they had too much work and they were going to up the price we will go out to bid again in january when maybe the work people have more time to focus on their bids um and we may be um value engineering the the design of gruff park to see if everything is there is is really needed or not yeah how big a spread was there i don't know the number is it no it was like 20 so yeah um let's see the other um i want to mention some personnel things i mentioned that brianna sunrid has taken on the new title of communications manager um jennifer lefountain has taken on the title of acting collector and we'll get that as a we've went through the personnel board and they will they had to create a new slot for her so she will be the actual collector and that was a good promotion um i mentioned the administrative assistant and the licensing commission we are now um we've have a job offer out for a shared customer service person so if you recall when we um outsourced the ambulance billing it meant there was a person in treasurer's office who's that function was no longer needed that person applied for and got a position on the second floor but her her her seat on the first floor was never filled and that has created a problem on the first floor at the same time leisure services lost a their front their first their front desk person who retired and so instead of giving leisure services a full-time person we determined that what would be better is to take that that slot and divide it so half time on the first floor here and half time at leisure services not strictly half time but when leisure services are really busy they'll spend more time down there when we're really busy and on the first floor here they'll spend more time down here and the idea on this was also to try to diversify our language capacity in the town hall and at leisure services and I think we if we get the person we want that we will have accomplished that and then a piece of not such good news is that Captain Jen Gunderson not good news for us but good news for Captain Gunderson was um was appointed as the new police chief in the sound of South Hadley and that builds on a um a history of the town of creating chiefs and there are about you know we have a list of about 12 chiefs that have come out of this department it's a losing Captain Gunderson's a great loss for the town she was clearly a strong leader inside the department and in the community she did a lot of work with the university which was really important work um she she got Amherst I mean she's had deep roots in Amherst um through her family and um just was the epitome of a good police officer so South Hadley congratulations um good for you um but the good thing for the town of Amherst is that there's a lot of great um police officers in our department who are in the leadership stream who will be able to step up and fill that vacancy so congratulations we're really sad to lose her but um she'll still be in the neighborhood um and then the last thing I want to mention was about you know you all heard about the fire at the Ann Wayland Apartments uh last Thursday morning and um that uh um you you know I get I got a call early in the morning on that and typically when I get a call about a fire I go down there and I sort of pay attention to firefighters and they are doing a great work job and I sort of acknowledge that and then there's nothing to do but in this case we had 60 or 70 um uh all different age people coming from Ann Wayland Apartments who um had been rousted out of their beds and came to the bank center um in their pajamas and bathrooms and uh with hardly anything because they had to get out of the building right away the firefighters responded incredibly quickly and got the fuck got the fire out with minimal damage uh police officers helped went door to door um to get residents out um and then we at four in the morning we had lots of people in sitting in a dark room at the at the bank center and so you know with a few phone calls you know how staff were just pouring in a phone called senior university and they as soon as they opened up their kitchen they baked a bunch of of baked goods for the residents and shipped it over to to us um because it's at five in the morning none of this none of our normal stores are open yet and um and you know the senior you know the director of senior services there the health director the assistant town manager everybody came in instantaneously and started working the phones at the the um facilities people um getting the building opened up getting the heat turned on um getting coffee made for folks all those things and and so everybody chipped in you know I don't need to go through all the litany of everybody who helped because it was there was supposed to be a council an aging meeting those volunteers came in and started helping inserting coffee and stuff to folks and sitting with them and helping to entertain them it brought a tv over everybody was chipping in to help keep them in but you know I just wanted to say that the real heroes were the residents of Ann Whalen because they were the nicest people and really inconvenienced they're sitting in chairs like these for you know at first we thought it was going to be four or six hours but it turned out to be longer than that and there were no real complaints they weren't happy of course but these are people who were mainly concerned about getting their medications getting their clothes getting their pets and taking care of their pets and the firefighters police officers and town staff were just great at sort of accommodating them as best as possible but they couldn't go back in the building but these residents were patient they were appreciative when they heard news that they liked there was applause at one point and it was the least entitled group I'd ever seen who deserved so much they were like you gave me a bottle of water in a granola bar that's so nice of you it's like you know these guys are sitting there in these chairs and it was just really wonderful to see and it made us um for many who work for the town has said it was they felt like it was the best day they worked for the town it sounds terrible to say during a tragedy like this but they felt that it was such a rewarding day to work for the town because everybody was pitching in together and the residents who they were serving were so appreciative of anything that was done so just want to thank the town staff all the volunteers who came through the businesses who contributed food whole foods you know you know pita podcast brought over a bunch of everybody was jumping in saying what do you need we'll bring things over so it was a tragic day for the town but um a great response and it also taught us a lot um is a poor housing authority director was on her fourth day on the job and um had you know and get helping the housing authority um get organized the the inspections office which is something I learned was that a lot of times this happens to your house or your business and you don't know who to call at five in the morning and in our inspection staff can't tell you what company to use but they say here's what here are the things you need to do you need to get a company to come and start doing cleanup is it are there companies out there yes there are here's how you find out about them here's the next thing you need to do they're so they provide direction and guidance which is what people need because a lot of times these things especially in private homes you get just people hear about the fire and they show up and offer you their insurance services and stuff so people need a trusted face to help get people back into their apartments um so a lot of um support from people um there's been a fair amount of post-event counseling that the um social workers at at senior center are offering and um and and so it's just uh some people are just very nervous about going into their homes now because they've experienced a fire and that happens to you you get nervous overnight um so helping them survive that is really important um so we we've done a term I hadn't heard before a hot wash which is what is just basically a debrief or after action analysis we did that um internally and learned learned a lot and also know what we need to do and um so just as a follow-up we had already planned a tabletop exercise for emergency planning in January or February and for this event we were fortunate to have the bang center handy but we kept thinking what if this happened at colonial village or at the boulders or someplace and we had a hundred people that had to be housed in the middle middle winter what would we do and that's the kind of exercise we need to go through you know what are the facilities that are available what vehicles are available how would we transport people in a heartbeat um who and and do we have everybody's phone numbers is that up to date um so and uh we're going to have a debrief with the housing authority staff as well uh so we're all sharing the same kinds of information so it was really an important day and um just but overall the message is to thank the residents of Ann Whalen um for being so gracious and understanding of uh and appreciative of how we were trying to get them back into their homes if I may just jump on that for a second um I was at the end uh at the bank center probably a little after seven o'clock that morning and saw staff um you know in action and it's uh it's phenomenal to see you know I mean we know we have great staff but uh to see him sort of fully engaged in all of their different roles and responsibilities and it really had you know sort of top to bottom and you know people involved because fire was involved police was involved inspection service involved senior senator was involved uh health director was involved assistant now manager was involved you know so all of those people involved in ways and and constructive and and you know part of why we love to live in this town you know because we've got people like that that do phenomenal work for us yeah and the Red Cross I forgot to mention the Red Cross and they were helping to get people we were driving people at 530 the social workers and Jen Reynolds and driving people at 530 get them into motels getting them vouchers um and then they had to find some a hotel that would take pets because someone had their pet so it's just they were they were really well organized and um it was really good because I think that's my um like Miss Kerr want to mention that sad outcome of that fire yeah unfortunately the the woman whose apartment where the fire started uh did not survive she had very serious burns was um taken immediately Bay State which did not not Cooley Dickinson Bay State and then from there they couldn't handle the or they they chose to seek um they bed flighted her to Boston for sure and we knew early on that the first few days were going to be very touch and go and she wasn't wasn't able to survive unfortunately aspects to your are you going to talk about okay um so now we'll move on to to member reports I have one but I want to give the others to mention anything they have I just wanted to have a follow-up quick to um something that was in the town manager report which was associated with the bid ban shell yes I would just like us to continually make it clear that when we don't say anything in the really great descriptive paragraph about how it's not a done deal people assume it's a done deal and going and looking at libraries awesome and people voting and getting excited about it is awesome but it has a whole lot of other steps to go through none of you know right which has a ways to go people might be looking at this for the first time and not get that you know new counselors just to to emphasize remembering that lots of people don't know anything about the process up to this point but they see that over in the library they're going to say oh they're building a ban shell period that'd be helpful thanks mr. summer just since we're following up on town manager report just another quick thing um I think I think it's great that we have this plan for Thursday to notify people to be aware of what our policy is when it snows and parking um one place we might contact is the off-campus housing office at the university because they may have email links to a number of student renters and that actually is a frequent source of problems that I've observed great mr. wall since somebody mentioned ban shell so the jury sorry the jury has met and made a decision as to a favored design I shouldn't call it first for preferred concept um and the next day then the examples the full range went up in the library so just to clarify and to amplify what was brewers said um the choice of the design that will be pursued with the person who submitted it is up to the jury not the public the public is expressing its reaction to these things which will be taken into account and will be in honor of her anybody who was uh so favored but that has nothing to do with what actually happens and as far as what actually happens again to fault miss brewer you know the bid has a very small amount of money the bid specs the first vote or it doesn't matter it's a conceptual design it's not you know it's not fully engineered it's just a very beginning idea of what something might like might look like in that place and the amount of money the bid has is very small and the specifications given to those who submitted designs specified $250,000 as the price range and that might not even cover things so there's a long gap between a few tens of thousands of dollars here and $250,000 and approval and everything so it's good to make that clear that the ideas to spark interest in the site and what we can do for a heavily used and beloved piece of town property but nothing is happening anytime soon so the thing of the library with the voting glanced at it was that like faux voting because that's not really going to decide the preferred choice I wouldn't call it faux what would you call it well that that implies something dishonest but now I did bring up the question at one of the meetings of the jury and I think the idea was that we want people to take a look at it and that there's an honor in having people express a preference or some kind of approval for something they see it's just separate from the process but that was an issue to think about so it should be clear that it's really a way of honoring the designs in yet another way and getting a sense of what the public thinks too sir it is well it's just not spurious are there other member reports I do have one but I want to make sure other people have an opportunity to share that's not a member report but after we're done I do have one additional item before we adjourn okay won't be long all right so a couple of things that I have um first thing I'll mention is the Puerto Rican Heritage Day celebration which is this coming Monday I believe which will be at 11 o'clock in this room correct it's supposed to be outside and they're prepared to have it outside I think we surprise them by thinking that we're going to have a meeting in here tonight so there's a lot of cleaning that went on before you came in so we'll see what condition the building is right so we'll hopefully have it outside hopefully it'll be about 55 degrees and sunny and we'll be able to have it outside and the organizers know that and they do know that and and I will be able to attend that because I'll be here for a gender setting either just before just after I can't remember which and so I'll come in and and be available to be at that so I did want to make that available to the public at large to know that that event's coming up um next Monday at 11 o'clock um second thing and I sent this uh in an email to ICC the group the uh select board on this um was relative to the PVTA funding um we've had some conversations with the folks at PVTA uh relative to restoration of some routes um and long story short is that because we cannot guarantee uh continued funding to support those routes and in in the future um that sort of restoring them and then taking it away that inconsistency is really problematic in a lot of ways for the for the for the transit authority and so the decision that that we went with was to not do anything at this point as far as using that funding to restore routes the routes that I think they're hearing the most about as far as reductions um are not ones that we can really very well uh uh support because a lot of mileage that's not in town and so that gets into a strange place as far as some of the the legality of it and and some of that sort of thing so it's a difficult circumstance it's not a pleasant place to be as far as not being able to to to do that I do want to mention however though but that the kinds of of reductions in service that were under consideration when town meeting met versus what actually got applied were much much different the actual reductions that were put in place were far less um about probably a sixth of the size of the reductions that were originally considered I may have the math off a little bit on that I'm doing it quickly in my head but it was originally a 3.1 million and it ended up being around 700 000 so maybe a quarter um but nonetheless it was a much so so I think if those reductions had been more severe then I think the urgency for us to utilize that money to to do some restorations might be a little greater but again we'd be in the same place um with regard to sort of putting service back and then taking back away a few months later um and I that doesn't go well in the long term what I do think has come out of this series of conversations though is uh we connected with with the university about this topic of funding and and uh we'll do a similar outreach with five colleges Inc. I think and I think our resolve to essentially lobby um our legislators and the legislature in general to support the regional transit authorities is something that is of significant importance and that's something I want to convey uh to the council um but also I think that we should you know sort of continue the momentum we have by the approach of having some some meetings with some folks at at the university to to really strategize on how we can best uh you know have an impact on that on that on that funding that the legislature undertakes starting in January so I think that's a a positive uh that's coming out of this um I think there are some other pvta related things relative to routes that run into the big wide parking lot or not it's interesting uh some back and forth that's going on there the the landlord had wanted them to to not pull into the lot I think a number of riders had had you know expressed concerned about that and the difficulty that it posed I think some of the businesses that are in there have have reached out to pvta and said hey you got to come back into this so I think they're in a state of of review regarding that I mean I think from a uh from a purely driving a bus standpoint it's a difficult parking lot but I think we'd all agree it's a difficult parking lot regardless of what kind of vehicle you drive but I will be at pvta on Wednesday and so I which is tomorrow I'll be there tomorrow so I'll convey that you know that that we definitely support you know what's best for for the riders and the needs that they have and so we'll try to you know be supportive of the needs that they have to to get to the services that they need because that particular route that runs through there is is actually called the shopper's shuttle so you know one of its intentions is to get people to the grocery stores and not just one of them so um I think that that you know intention behind that route needs to be uh you know that we need to you know provide our support for that and so it it may be difficult for pvta as far as drivers are concerned but I think they've done it and so they can continue to do it but we'll I'll see what the situation is relative to that report back that I'll certainly convey our our you know support of the riders and and their and their needs um trying to think if there was any other thing I wanted to mention or I certainly can answer questions about that so go ahead maybe it'll remind you um so one of the things I hope that when you're working with UMass and the five colleges as we continue come and as we have done in the past but perhaps do even more effectively in terms of lobbying legislators to remind them that there are people that we've gotten letters from that said they can't get to work now and so I understand that one route in particular that I'm recalling from an email we can't about ensure that mileage is out of town but we don't seem to be able to you know a logical person might say well why can't we shift it into Amherst funding and they shift Amherst funding over here so that people can get to work and so I realize that frequently there's you know two or three people this affects but it's a huge impact on their livelihood and so to remember to be able to provide those letters for example when you're talking with legislators that you you know oh well that's not got a very high ridership well that person no longer gets to work and so that that's a really big impact as opposed to it's inconvenient for me to wait an extra 15 minutes kind of thing I think that the the points I have made and will continue to make relative to this is that you know people make decisions about where to live based on right you know the the ability and the availability of the public transportation when it changes it it puts them in a bind and so I also make the argument the the dollar spent on that public transportation are very high leverage in other words when you think about having an impact on citizens of the Commonwealth in a very direct way these dollars really do and when you look at PVTA in general I don't know about you know the other RTS as much you look at the ridership and who is affected by that we have a lot of people of lesser means that are affected very negatively and so that's again why it's a it's a high value return on on investment there I think the other thing I think about as far as you know a strategy with regard to you know the university draw students from across the Commonwealth and so in a sense they can speak to all the legislators because their constituents are affected by these bus routes not existing or existing or to what extent they do and it makes it you know we talk about people being able to get to work or not it also makes a difference about whether people can go to school or not because if the finances of of their living circumstances have changed significantly enough that you know the bus doesn't run so they didn't have the car that's a whole level of expense that that may not fit into their financial plan as far as how they're going to school so it it's a multi-layered you know impact when you start to change these sort of things so I think those are all cases to be made relative to to better and consistent funding for for those RTAs thank you I think that's really important and the other thing you'd mentioned that possibly we'd look at funding for sort of dovetails with the big why conversation and I appreciate that we're taking that on is also the shelters discussion right we said well maybe if we can't use the money over here right and the fortunate thing with regard to shelters is that if they have they have some capital resources set aside for shelters and so if they have some in stock and we have a location if we can provide essentially the concrete pad they can oftentimes provide the shelter if it's appropriate you know appropriately sited in an appropriate location they try to put them in places where it makes the most sense as far as providing you know relief to the riders and and that sort of thing so certainly you know and last I checked which was a few weeks ago relative to the shelter question they did still have some in stock you know they buy them in sort of blocks of I don't know 20 or 50 or 100 I'm not sure without my head but you know they buy a set you know a number of them they still had some and so if we find whether it be for that particular route or some other route that we we think that oh a shelter would be really a good thing here there's potential to at a fairly low cost to us be able to to to provide that accommodation and they're you know willing to work with us on those kinds of things so then my point would be if you would make a note of that for your successor absolutely which may be well be the town manager but that that that should continue to be discussed whether it be there on that chopper's route or somewhere else right so are there other member reports if not Mr. Sember you had some well yeah the question that I had has to do with minutes and there are a couple of things one is is that we are still lacking some minutes that need approval and I know if we have only one scheduled meeting left it's my understanding that there's a bunch to come I don't know how many the bunch is and I don't know if I'll be able to do them all or not depends on how many it is so may need to share them because we need to it looks like the 26th is the date to try and get that done a second aspect of minutes to concern about having been involved in this process of dissolving of boards and committees that dissolved is what happens to the minutes of the last substantive meeting that you have do you need to have one other meeting even if only for one minute solely for the purpose of proof approving the minutes of that last meeting and so I don't know what we want to do because we are going to have a pretty substantive meeting 1126 and what happens to the orphan minutes so I just pose that question without suggesting the answer now but I do think that it needs to be considered and the last thing on the subject of minutes is amongst other things that I noted about the minutes of May 7 it was with some great degree of embarrassment I had to note that the section that I was reading from was in fact mistitled because it says appointments under transition provisions of the audit well and it should have we should have caught that when we approved those minutes because it should say of the charter so I don't know if it's possible to just treat it as a Scrivener's error and have it changed online it is I want to get into but solving the problem about the last minutes but is it like legally possible to authorize a member to read them and review them at some future time and and adopt them without having us to convene as a board which is because we don't exist you don't have to have our approved minutes legally there's no requirement just to put them on right so but we could we could designate a member to just to prove them for accuracy or something like that and be done with it string to call from some of the members DRB meetings the practice of the staff liaison was to issue reports which were not called minutes but an accurate account of the meeting it may depend on how detailed the business is but otherwise we have to have it you know a minute long meeting to approve the minutes but you may have to have another meeting to approve those minutes essentially have a meeting that that you that you wrote and recorded the minutes at the end of that meeting we feel self-referential but but anyway that's the only other one I would ask about that although like I said I'm confident of that from reading I've done in the past that you just you don't ever have to approve the minutes you don't have to vote you don't even have to accept them by consensus they just are what they are is the other aspect though that we should double check that we've done is that we have found that we've gone through executive session minutes because there's probably a backlog a couple of town managers ago that it's just worth remembering that that's still a thing out there that needs to be done and really that's a legal counsel question always too because is it something where we should still be releasing or and yeah exactly but we should put it on their plate rather than feeling like it's still on ours yeah so the minutes discussion doesn't take too many more minutes I actually moved the we adjourned because the motion is second any further discussion hearing none all those in favor please say aye and we're adjourned at 9 57