This episode is kept to go a show about getting it done the old-fashioned way And the newer way you have 30,000 people that were purged and Voted so after doing a lot of research and identifying Suspicious records. I made requests of what we call the canvassing in one case this lady told our canvasser You know this has my three registrations all on the same two days one right after the other a year before I actually Registered above and I know this because I was pregnant when I went in there to register and my one-year-old son It's in the house right now Individual voters are totally incapable of doing this. You can't you have to have access to the official database to do it That first clip was from my favorite election movie of all time campaign with Will Ferrell and Zach Galifianakis And the second was from today's amazing guest Andy Pacquette And this dialogue went on and on so I actually broke it into two because it really kind of two completely different subjects But I think you'll enjoy both of them. Remember don't get too sucked into the drama. It's just a show Welcome to Skepticoe where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers thinkers and their critics I'm your host Alex Icarus and today We welcome Andy Pacquette back to Skepticoe You know and I want to start with a little story and I don't know if I've told this I've told it to you, but I don't know if I've told it on air but Trish and Rob McGregor who have you're kind of well-known in the Paranormal Parasite called it read over a hundred books. What is with George Lucas? You know kind of thing They heard an interview that we did that you did for me and they said gosh, we had to have that guy on So they interviewed Andy and at the end exact quote Trish goes I think Andy might be the most psychic person I've ever met Now I mean that's pretty amazing, especially when you if you read her books or listen all I mean She has these stories of these incredible people that she's met and it's kind of true What's really really extraordinary about you Andy and I've shared this before but let me share my screen for a second So if anybody wants to go and I think you will want to go PAQ ART.com Drawings paintings Commercial art Hollywood, you know doing Computer graphics on what was that was the biggest movie ever did? Well, it's hard to say. I mean I worked on Space Jam and Spider-Man and Daredevil and then smaller ones So then you have this incredible Photography that you do commercially in New York, you know like major thing and then along the way you kind of get a PhD just cuz Just cuz you wanted to I guess And then so we're not gonna talk about any of that today Cuz what we're gonna talk about is art Zark Because it was more than a year ago You contacted me about this topic that we're gonna talk about and I immediately realized that you had done Just what I think a lot of people just find to be impossible and a lot of people at the end of this might still think is impossible But at the time I thought wow, this is so so big and such a huge story That I love that Andy is sharing it with me, but there's no way this is ever going to make it on Skeptico This is going to be a national New story. He's gonna be contacted by all the major News outlets. This is just too big and if anything I was kind of worried about your your safety because it was such a huge story and such a important story, of course, here we are a year and a half later a tiny little Skeptico getting out What is really just an amazing amazing story and my spin on it, of course is always gonna bring us back to The spiritual in some way the questions of why evil matters Who are the characters really behind that in terms of that larger spiritual perspective? Which you are so much about as well, even though it isn't gonna come out directly in what we're gonna talk about so With that, I don't know. I wasn't trying to tease this thing but with that, I Guess maybe you should tell us How you wound up with like the first time I talked to her you said I just downloaded the database I have a database of All the voters in New York like eight million voters or something like that I mean, I what what is the what is the starting point that we should start with this whole? Okay, first off, I hate to say this but in your intro I've been wanting to like kind of stop you and and say something and hopefully not horrify you too much But I I wanted to do this as doctors are without connecting it to enter a cat is too late Too late everybody knows you Andy everybody in skeptical land totally knows you I mean you can't It and you shouldn't I think again. I thought about that because we talked about that in pre interview No, the story is that now We can talk about this. It's okay to talk about it. You've published on it. You've published on it You've done public presentations on it.  There's no need We don't have to make a big deal out of it But yeah, so how this started was I had come to New York to start up a commercial photography studio Okay, and I'd invested quite a lot of money on that too. It was not cheap to do this and I did that right after I got my PhD because Well in part what happened was I was working out PhD at Kings College, London, and I realized I don't like doing this This is not any fun Okay, the research and my dreams was fine because I was doing it for my own purposes and I kind of wanted that information I wanted to understand that information But the research I was doing for the PhD. I was thinking of these as soon as this is done. I'm never doing this yet This is it. Okay, and at the same time while I was bringing other PhD just to kind of relax from all the pressure of teaching full-time And doing a PhD and traveling to London all this can do it I had that photography and I'd started getting clients.  I'm going to Soon as I have the PhD I'm gonna move back to New York and I'm going to start a photography service That's what I want to do. So I came out here and As I'm sure you understand setting up any kind of a business that takes you a little while, right? And then you start getting your clients then you get more clients and then you're going and sorry And I expected that so I'd saved up some money and I was able to last quite a while So I figured it'd take me at least a year before I was even at point of first contact for a client And then maybe another year and I'd start having a low level of client But it would get me where I needed to be so that I could have a continuing stream of them So about 18 months later, I got my first client and then shortly after I got another one and then and amic it Okay, and then all of a sudden everything was shut down the studios were shut down I couldn't access clients the the crews I would have to work with in New York were Unavailable and even if they were available there was nowhere to shoot. It was like everything just stopped Okay, and I was I was just I was sitting there. I was thinking this can't be happening and yet it was So I thought okay fine. I can't do any business. So I'm just going to take pictures of you know fun stuff So I was taking pictures of diners and farms and churches, you know anything. I thought looked really American. I Also wanted to do a series on tractor trailers, which I haven't done yet trucks and things like that but anyway, so this is what I'm doing when I see Podcast that was talking about audits across the country and the thing is that that got my interest and the reason Election audits, this is after after the 2020 election and this was just about the hottest topic You couldn't go anywhere without the hole and then it's it evolved into the whole January 6th and the whole thing but if we got to go back now because it's the Calendar has flown by it's easy to forget what a Central issue this was gripping everybody and and by the way, you know, this is that the time Google comes out and says Hey, the only thing that is verboten. We are not allowing is any kind of searches about Election fraud or vaccines for the two two things that they just said which is strange in part of this story But just to put it in context. It's about the election Well, yeah, it was and here's the thing when I moved to New York, I was thinking, okay I'm moving to a new state. So when the election happened. I've got that in my mind. I'm thinking this is a blue state It's a stable blue state. They don't need to commit fraud They will win anyway because they have so many people who vote that way in the state So I would really was assuming that New York was gonna go to all of the Democrat candidate It didn't strike me as at all unusual when that happened what struck me unusual though is the night of the election I was in bed watching the election return on my iPad and I saw Trump had more than a half million vote lead in Pennsylvania And yet about a half million vote lead in Wisconsin yet these huge leads in the states that we're gonna determine the election And there is no way after the polls closed that anyone was gonna catch up to that It just wasn't gonna happen He was gonna win and that's what I was thinking when I went to bed And I went to bed at like three o'clock in the morning or four o'clock in the morning anyway But when I woke up, they were all saying Biden was the winner and I was saying they're thinking how how our earth Do you make up that many roads?  It didn't make sense to me So anyway, so I heard about a group that was going to try and audit the election here in New York Right around August and I thought you know what? I don't have anything else going on. The wife was saying You got to do it. You got to do it. You just have to know and I was like, yeah I do kind of have to know so I I signed up and One of the first things that happened was they asked to be Research director, which surprised me because I I was like, how do you know that I would be qualified to do that? They just didn't make any sense for me and I I have a feeling PhD helps a little bit But I'm sure they had other people with advanced degrees that were on the team, too I now my current theory is I might have been like the only guy at the moment at that time That hand applied because apparently I'm like one of the first people on the team without realizing it There's always happens when you're second you think the first guy was there forever, you know, then so but in fact the group I just put with themselves together. So this is the group New York citizens audit That you joined so auspiciously and then yeah, so so what happens next with the database? Okay, well first thing was We were supposed I told them I said look there is Nothing to there's no research to conduct until we have data. We have to have data. So you have to ask for it so we need to get The the databases for all the counties And at the time they had somebody handling the those kinds of requests They're called foil requests in New York which stands for freedom of information walks and they sent them out all 62 counties And I think it took maybe a couple months before we got it and and can I just pause here for a minute because this is I gotta say this was surprising to me that There's a database That you can access as part of a foya foya lie in in New York I always kind of thought all this stuff was was private But then when you think about it there would be a public interest in it. So real briefly. What is the law? What is the database? What can you get out of the database as being a citizen of New York? Okay, first off it's for the whole country. This is federal law. Okay, but all of these things are are public and Then states limit the the kind of information you can get so some states limited more than others In New York We get quite a lot. Okay. The only thing that we're prevented from seeing as a as a Private citizen is the driver's license numbers and social security numbers. So we don't get that we get everything else and the purpose of of having this access Is that we're supposed to be able to independently? Confirm the accuracy and the currency of the database meaning it is current, right? Um, so and and it has to be susceptible to challenges And the only way to do that is to make it available as the public. So what we are working with are publicly available records given to us directly by the people who compile and Manage those records. Okay, so that's it. We don't have anything else Um, you know, there are a couple of uh different places We've gotten the records from you know, the voter rolls came from the individual counties in the state But uh other information like for instance, uh, we have the Published certified results from the secretary of state, but anyone can get those they're on the secretary of state's website So no big deal there Um, I did get one file and I wish I knew the provenance of it and I don't so I can't really say it's official but it's a count of votes from all the precincts and The only reason I trust it is because every spot check I've done it matches exactly with other sources that I have so Um, I'm thinking it's an accurate count. However, I can't I can't claim for sure that it's from an official source Because I don't know where it came from So you actually had to compile all the databases from all the different counties then and you have a little bit of a database background because You're not only like a computer graphics genius, but you did this a public database of precognitive dreams that is truly a just substantial breakthrough for Parapsychology and precognition and that's all in your book dreamer Which we talked about before but I mean that's just like an epic epic got a book But you have this this background. So when you call me and you say You have the database. What did you have? at that point When I called you, uh, I got a little further first. I have to make one After you give you a caveat 22 counties gave us their databases. The remaining 40 did not okay The state gave us their database which gave us everything for all the counties But the problem is the state database does not agree with county databases Now you could say that's because there's a bit of a timeline between when we got them But that really doesn't explain everything that we saw because for instance, I was looking at the um, the county database And I was seeing certain numbers and I was talking to a colleague who was working with me on this project He was working with the state database that we were comparing numbers And every time we did it it's like he had a different number than me and I was feeling like well I'm the dumb one here. So I must be making mistakes. So I looked at it more carefully and I was like, no I don't think I So I contacted you and I said what's going on here and he looked at it on his end Then it turned out our databases had different information for the same keep. Okay And uh, like for instance, there were how many were there in new york city alone It was something like a quarter million votes Were recorded in the county version of the records That were missing from the state version of the records, right? So for instance, so let's just say you had a vote recorded and you lived in min-ha Okay, so you'd have an id number and let's say your id number is one two three four five, right? So if you look up id number one two three four five in the state database It would say alexa curis no vote But what actually wouldn't say anything. I just wouldn't have a record of a vote, right? But then if you look at the county records for the exact same file with your name and everything It's going to stay 2020 general election. So the vote Disappear and the thing is the official record according to the law is the state record So the state record there's no vote and the county record there is so what happened to it? And there's a quarter million of these actually it's more than a quarter million Each of the five boroughs the average is 50,000 small stuff small stuff. Andy. Don't bury the lead here Get on to it because there's this there's this moment here that is like an amazing one person can make a difference moment Where you compile all this data into one database and then you start doing some I don't know some Jedi mind tricks kind of precognitive stuff But you figure out this amazing pattern that shows this Massive massive you can't really even say it's fraud. It's just the engineering of the potential of fraud In this thing and and let's get as quick as we can to that part of the story because that then leads to All the other parts of the story I'll get there. So so the thing is so i'm seeing all this funny stuff going on Which makes it crystal clear to me there are fraudulent records in the system period. Okay, I know that it goes beyond that I was talking about how the records were falsified where the votes were being taken away But I also found um somewhere in the neighborhood of just under a million records Which I now know is actually more than two million records where they had fake registrations And I was thinking okay. I've read about these fake registrations in other states And and now i'm seeing them in new york and they were in much larger quantities by the way that I saw in other states except for maybe Pennsylvania And I was thinking these records are useless to anybody unless there's a way to find them You have to be able to and they have to do it covertly The reason is because if you're if you're casting a fake ballot, right? So first we have to talk about what a fake registration is And how you spot and how anyone could spot if they if you pointed them to the data in the spreadsheet Like you have to me and you show them the screen and you go look this is fake We got 10 names all the same name Different counties and different codes and stuff like that But you you can convince anyone pretty quickly that these are fake Registrations and then the next thing you're saying is what went through your mind is that to really turn that into a usable system for Or Kind of being able to manage elections manage being the operative word you'd need some kind of more systematic way Get your hands around this data as a as a database guy You're like there has to be more than just people Injecting fake data into the database Okay, so we have the certain data fields that we can match so we can see if they agree with each other or not Okay, so you've got your first name your last name your date of birth you've got your bad dresser So if I've got two records and all of that data is the same then I take a look at the ID numbers And you've got two of them in New York. You've got a county ID and a state ID If the state IDs are the same That's a duplicate record and those are legal and the reason is because you're allowed to move from one county to another county So you get different county IDs and that means you get different ballots But your state ID numbers are different. That's a cloned record In order to create this fake ID at least that's the way I'm characterizing it because that's how it looks But the fact is that by and while you're not allowed to have more than one SBID number you're certainly not allowed to have 11 or 22 and do have people who have that So that's a real problem. So those are clubs and if I were to show the list It's just an endless stream of records It's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them if I include records that they go before the 2020 election It's actually 24 million and so if I can't let me bring it back to kind of on a personal level If I was there and I started looking through that database and I found that cloned records that are clearly Illegal I wouldn't be totally stunned because I know there's Election fraud has been going on since they started doing elections, you know Joseph Stalin it doesn't matter who votes it matters who counts the vote. This is as old as time So I want to be really that shocked if I was you if I was in your situation and I found these cloned registrations these other irregularities But what really caught me when you started talking to me was the scale of this and then the Programmed nature of it. So keep going. I know you're getting there, but I'm gonna push you to get there as soon as you can I'm sorry. Okay. So anyway So I compare these names and I'm like, okay. Well, these all have is at so this is definitely the right guy It's the same guy, but I look at the ID numbers and they're not the same. Okay. So this is an issue Now that we have county IDs and state IDs the county IDs can be different Okay This is if you move from one county to another but the state IDs cannot be different You can move out of the country and come back and you still have to have the same state ID The law actually has all sorts of things built into the system so that you cannot get a new spiv The first thing any registrar is supposed to do when they look at your application is Does this person already exist in the database that it's the first question question. They have to ask They're not asking you they're asking the database based on the information you give them So they're doing exactly the same search I'm doing which also means they know you're a clone Okay, because I know you're a clone. They have to because they've got the same data I know that because I've got their data. That's what they gave. Okay So the thing is here. I am 10 o'clock in the morning popping out of the shower one day And I'm thinking about this and it cursed me. You know what? we have At that time, I didn't know how many it was but it was hundreds of thousands We have hundreds of thousands of fake registrations in the database And they're hard to find because there's 21 million records in the database They're basically it's like dropping water into the ocean. How are you going to find those specific drops? The bad guys who do this Cannot use them unless they can access them, which means they have to know which ones are fake and which ones are real And so I was thinking about that and it's I was thinking there has to be a way That they have tagged these files so that they know which is which Now it seemed to me it wouldn't really make a lot of sense to have a field called, you know Fake registration and then they just tick the box and test what it is because it'd be too obvious If they did that they'd have something inside the database that would clue everybody into the fact that they're breaking the law So they had to do it in a way that nobody would notice. So I was asked myself, okay, so So where could they do that? I mean could they could they have like a special key code that they would add to a field? So I was looking at all the fields and I was trying to figure out Which field would they be most likely to manipulate and I was trying to figure out there are any differences in these fields Um, and I wasn't really getting very far with that But it still was bugging me. So for months, I was trying to keep an eye out for any sign That something like that was going on that these records were tagged in any way And I eventually discovered a way that these records were tagged But it was not the way I expected because I was expecting them to Modify something that was there. I didn't expect them to make two things in a unique way That was effectively a tag. So so the data actually stayed the same but by leaking things that shouldn't have been leaked It made it possible to identify this and that's Where the start of discovering this algorithm, uh came from Okay, so so we might we might need to be a little bit geeky for a minute And explain that because the two fields that you link together Were in this unusual way were the state id and the county id, right? And we should show people Well, maybe you can explain it so we don't have to show too many things and get in trouble potentially with showing stuff that But maybe you can maybe you can't whatever you figure that out. I anonymized the whole thing So I can show it without any names or anything and I uh, so it is anonymized Okay, so you you have this relatively long state id You can't really mess with that directly otherwise somebody's gonna find out and you have this county id and you can't mess with that directly So what show us jump to this kind of very very cool Thing where you link these two together. It's a fantastic story. It's it's like one of the one of the little anecdotes I love about this and he does this And it's unbelievable. Imagine a guy sitting in his office In new york who just wasn't even thinking of doing this and then kind of cracks the code on the largest election electronic election fraud scam in united states history that's known He cracks the code and now they're going to go start telling it I'm moving it forward in the story. You'll pick up but he goes in and has like Some super high level. I don't know fbi or you know with child Whatever looking over his shoulder and they're like dude, would you take a job as being uh Forensic database because they can't believe what you've done Which are going to show us and admit it in terms of how you cracked this code But that's the kind of feedback that you get at the end of this in terms of the level of what you've figured out here I'm not stretching that right. That's true Uh, yeah, except not the fbi Yes, I should of course. It wasn't the fbi, but right. It is at a level of you know significant law enforcement Currently there were people who thought I had some skills when it came to this kind of stuff So show them show them the database So let's go to the yates spiral. Okay, so let's just open this. Okay Now I have cleaned this up. Okay, so what what you're seeing right now You absolutely would not be able to see if you're just looking at the database Okay, it would be impossible because the actual database is an absolute jumble What I had to do is I had to filter this I had to filter it in a very specific way In a way that nobody who worked at the county or the state would ever do unless they knew the algorithm was there There are a lot of steps to get to what I'm showing you now Show you basically the clean version of the algorithm So what they've done is they've taken what I'm calling a short ID That's the state ID and the county ID, which is this And they've linked them. Okay, so if you look at these I've highlighted them so that you can see the the algorithms that they're working with So this is blue See, this is a one digit number for the county ID These are all five digit numbers and then they're broken by a four digit Now if you look at this four digit number and you go to the next one you see there They're consecutive 15354 and then 15355 and 15356 So these are all separate by an even distance. So these are 11 apart Now just going based on the number of rows apart isn't the best way because sometimes they're missing records. It's better to actually Subtract these numbers from each other and then you get exactly 11 different But as you can see, this is pretty consistent Okay But the thing is it's much more complicated than you might think just by looking at the first few records And I just interject something because they're not supposed to be consistent A standard story of how these numbers would be generated like you go to register to vote You're given a number you wouldn't wind up with this pattern No, no not even close explain why that shouldn't be there on a really basic level Okay, well, we said Email requests to all 62 county commissioners asking them. How do you assign your numbers? Okay, and the county commissioners all said We assigned the numbers consecutive Okay, and to an extent that's true, but it's not really true. It's just sort of true So if you look at the the numbers that start they have five digits here by 15354 And look at the date that's october 14th 1978 and the next one in that sequence is also october 14th 1978 And the same thing goes for the next one The problem is the way they're broken up like this So all of a sudden you're going from dates in 1997 to 78 to 97 78 And so on so they've broken the pattern So they've taken something that was sequential and then they've brought it to smithereens So that they can have this this pattern. Okay Um, but the thing is it gets much more complicated. So see here this take one This is showing up in the ninth position So the positions that are important here are the the first position which is here The fourth position here the ninth and then the 11th and also there's an optional 12th that happens every 10 records So what this is going to do is it's going to start counting by 100. So these guys are counting by Oh, by the way, I hate to say this because this is a complicated pattern but when you're sorting by spioid which is what I did here The a the gaps are 11111 1111 1111 1111 1111, 11111 1111 1111, 1111 1111 11. If you're sorting by CID the gaps are 10, a thousand ten, a hundred thousand a billion so So I I get mixed up between those two sometimes almost said 10, but I should say 11 The sort method here But the thing is that here we're on row 83 which by the way is all by itself significant I'll explain why in a second. And this is the first pink one. So if I go down, if I got 111 of that, that's 194. So if I go to row 194, there's the next pink one. That's 111 down. This is predictable. What you're showing us, the big picture takeaway is you are now looking at a database. One, there's no one in the world would have figured out this key to showing these regularities or irregularities. However, we don't want to look at it. These patterns that you found in the data that suggest an algorithm is behind this, because again, back to your big picture, you just said a minute ago, like, if you task somebody with the job saying, okay, we got this database over here, what I need to be able to do because I like to rig elections, I need to be able to quickly pull up all of our fake registrations in a particular county, and then I need to manipulate them, and then I need to change them back, and I need to make it so that no one ever saw how to do it. And what you're telling me is that when you first look at the database, you go, well, that's impossible. There's no key that someone could pull up all the clones. And Andy goes, well, wait, actually, there is. And you could actually write computer code that would then pull this up. And then they have all these other tricks, like giving codes that are out of range and in range and top of range and bottom range. And you could go into that and you could talk to us for hours about what you found.  Yeah, and that is true. It can be used to do that. Now, I need more information to be able to say they definitely used it that way, but it could be used that way. Whoa, whoa, don't back down here. Because the next thing I'm going to talk about purged. Yeah, okay. The purged records are very interesting. We know that they're not really treating purged as purged. Purged means they're ineligible to vote. And we have over 30,000 people who voted after they were purged. So clearly purged means standby or something else. Again, hold up, because you just said the world there, you have 30,000 people that were purged and voted. And now I want you to swing back and connect it to something you said earlier about this is what the citizenry are supposed to be able to do is to be able to check these elections, if you will. That's why they're made publicly available. And I want you to tell me this, tell the story to everyone that you told me the other day that you actually have boots on the ground, that you found a purge record until I thought revealing a name of somebody who did it. Because I hate when we get to this point and we go, well, it's a potentially that this could be used. Oh, come on, let's just get on with it. This was used to manipulate, you know, why could we accuse everyone else of doing this? Russians and everybody else. Why do we know that we've done this for ages in every country around the world has been the standard spy craft to be able to go into a country and if the elections close, use some kind of technology like this to manipulate it in our favor, which by the way, we'll have you tell that story in a minute. But I want you to tell the story of the door check, knock check that you did on the purge. Okay, so after doing a lot of research and identifying suspicious records, I made requests of what we call the cannabis team. And those guys went out and they knocked on doors and they checked on things. So the first group that they checked on were the cloned records. And we found, you know, confirmation that indeed they were cloned records, the voters themselves had no idea what was going on. They didn't know they had extra IDs. They were totally unaware of it. And some of them were actually pretty extreme. I mean, we had examples where the documents we got back from the county showed forged signatures on the registration documents. And the when we showed it to the voter, they were really surprised. And they were like in one case, this lady told our canvasser, you know, this has my three registrations all on the same two days, one right after the other a year before I actually registered to vote. And I know this because I was pregnant when I went in there to register and my one year old son is in the house right now. And this is the year 2022, I didn't register to vote in 2020, I registered a year after that. But all three of those registrations were predated, basically, by a year. And that made her eligible to vote in elections that she didn't vote in and wasn't eligible to vote in. And she she confirmed that the signatures were photographic duplicates of her signature, they were pixel by pixel exactly the same. Another example, we had a gal who had two votes recorded for her and both in 2020, she was a young gal in her 20s, early 20s, she just she was just then able to vote for the first time in her presidential election. And she went down with her mother in 2020 to vote on November 3rd, right. So she went there. And when she arrived at the at the polling station, she was told, you know, you're not registered to vote, therefore, you can't vote can't let you vote. And so she was like, well, can I register and they're like, no, you can't registration deadline has passed. So you can go online and you can register, but you're going to have to wait for the next election to vote. So what she told her canvasser was a couple weeks later, she did go online and she did register to vote. But meanwhile, what we had in our records was a vote for the 2020 election for each of her two cloned ID numbers. So she had two ID numbers, each of which had voted. And in the records, it showed that she had registered on November 23, which is 20 days after the election, which is almost a month after the deadline for registering. So so in that case, we're looking at someone who managed to vote before she was registered and who managed to vote, even though she didn't vote and managed to do it twice, even though she didn't do it once. So when we go out in canvas, this is the kind of thing we find out we find it happens over and over and over again, you know, we give the benefit of the doubt most of the time to, to actually say that records that could be legal, we give them the benefit of the doubt.   Then the big question that everyone has is, does it scale? How could it scale? You know, are they hacking the machines, whatever, that was the whole dialogue that has now disappeared? Like now we can talk about this stuff, right? A couple years ago, you couldn't talk about it. Now you can't talk about it. It's in the past. So you connected the two. So you got people boots on the ground, went out there and said, Hey, is this you? Did you do this? No. So then it's in the database. That's election fraud. No questions. The real breakthrough that you do is you go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Here's the scale of it, guys. Millions of records. Here's how it's done. Here's how you would sit back on your computer and pull it up and change it and do it. Here are the means. Here are the keys for doing it. That's, that's the breakthrough that you bring us. Yeah. And actually, one thing I should also point out is individual voters are totally incapable of doing this. You can't, you have to have access to the official database to do it. So everything I'm saying in the database that's giving me the information that allows me to send a lot of Canvas and then get these answers is information that can only be entered by people who've got access to that database. And that's a really, really important point because like I've got it, there's an assembly woman in New York state who, according to the voter rolls, double voted in three separate elections, 2016, 18 and 19. Okay. And, and yeah, I seriously doubt she has any idea that her records show that. And that's just based on every other bit of canvassing that we've done and all the people would be surprised that they got all these extra ID numbers. One lady, she had, she had a married name and a maiden name. And both of them had their own independent registration numbers, which all by itself is illegal. And what she discovered was her maiden name had continued voting, but her married name was erasing the votes that she was making. So she was making real votes that didn't show up in the record. And she was really mad about that. And then the other registration was voting well after she stopped using the name. And after that registration number, well, actually that registration number should be the one she's still using, actually. It's kind of a funny thing because by cloning, what they're doing is they're basically giving the fake record to the real voter and they're keeping the real record, the one that's legal, that is to say, and they're using it for their own purposes. And it was a odd thing. Hey, Andy, I want you to tell the story of the guy on your team who has an Intel Black Ops background without revealing his name, obviously. But I think it's very telling. It really shouldn't be surprising. We've heard this all along, but it's really, really significant when you hear that something like that directly from somebody on the team. Okay. Well, first off, he's not on the team. He was helping the team. So he's like more of a consultant. But this particular guy, when I showed him the algorithm, he was really shocked because he'd seen it before. He said, I used to do elections overseas or the military. And we used something that looked just like that to make sure that we could manage those elections. So I never expected to see it in the United States. He's one of two guys with the same background that told me the same thing. So they say there's a couple differences. Like he said, in Iraq, they have serial numbers on the ballots that we don't have. But, but as far as like the, the, the numerical difference between the records are what's called rep units. So that's two digit or greater numbers that are all made out of one. So one 11, 111, etc. He said that kind of thing is just all over the place in that software that they were using. So yeah, it's, and he actually said this on TV, what would go in a response to one of the other people on our team? He was like, you know, military contractors work elections. You guys know this. You've seen it. That's amazing. I think that leads into some of the bigger questions because you know, one of the interesting things about you, Andy, because we have been friends for a long time and we've kind of been through a lot of different things, you know, just kind of in our private conversations, but you were kind of a trumpster there for a while. You've written for red voice, red voice media, and you still do. And that's fine. But I definitely get the sense and I think it's partially because of this research that you don't see, you see yourself more apolitical, if you will, kind of more long, long lines that I do that this is a sham at a much bigger level. And you've shared with me that your research tells you that this cannot be pinned to one party, one political group or another. It's more or less a technology that can be applied to whoever they decide to apply it to. Do you want to speak to that? Well, I do agree with you. I still have my favorites and they tend to be on one side of like political spectrum as opposed to the other. But I also have a lot of people on both sides that I really think are absolute criminals, frankly. And the fact is this system, what we're seeing, it doesn't seem to play favorites the way people would expect. And actually, one of the problems we've had is that sometimes Republican politicians are made aware of this and they're like, well, that could be used against us too. I'm like, yeah, it absolutely could. And it could also be used in their favor. And the other thing it implies is that anybody who's currently in office benefited from this, whether they realized it or not. So I think that there's probably pockets of honest elections that you have throughout the country. And there's probably places where fraud was implemented in order to make sure a certain candidate won, but it was unnecessary because that person was going to win anyway. So you do get the people's choice sometimes. But with this algorithm that they're using and the other kinds of fraud that we're seeing by is that our votes actually don't play a significant role in who wins. They do play a more significant role if the margin of victory is more than about 10%. But if it's less than 10%, it seems to be completely stage-matched. That's how it looks to me. And as far as who they're picking, it seems like, and I'm just kind of going off my own research here when I say this, but it looks to me like if you've got a very Republican area that they're going to pick a Republican to win, but it's going to be a Republican that they like. And if it's a heavily Democrat area, then you've got Democrats who behave more like Republicans in at least the way they're portrayed in the popular media. But they'll find a Democrat who is exactly what they want. And then they'll let that guy win or that gal, whoever it is. So the whole thing seems to be a battle of perceptions. It's like, okay, what will the people accept who we will also accept, whoever it is that's managing this stuff? And when I say whoever it is that's managing this stuff, I really don't know who it is. I would not pin it on a political party. Absolutely not. As far as I'm concerned, whatever is controlling this is controlling both political parties and probably a little bit more beyond that, which is actually kind of a spooky thing to think about. Well, it's spooky, but maybe in a way it gets us back to what the show's all about.  What is evil about this? What is evil about the deception? And don't we have to live with a little bit of this, just as part of the way the sausage gets made, as they say, you know, it's like, Hey, man, when you're overthrowing the election in some country that's teetering on going Kami, then, you know, maybe you stand back and go, Oh, God, thank God, we got in there and we did a better job of throwing the elections than the Russians did or the Chinese did or whatever. And there's a certain part of that narrative that we accept and go, Well, I guess that is kind of part of the price we pay for the good part of the American empire. But then that quickly comes around to kind of bite us in the butt when we look at how it can be weaponized against us. Totally agree with you. And I've been, I have a feeling there's some element of that that we disagree on. But for the most part, I think it is a terrible thing that we created methods that are so dangerous. We use them against other people and then figured it would never happen to us because we're the ones with the tools. You know, they have this this well known saying in Christianity, do you want to others as you would have them do after you, right? Well, we are doing unto them apparently what is being done to us. Okay. And that I think is exactly what we should expect after having created something like this. And it's a shame. And I frankly, I think that these kind of tools need to be eradicated. And even if other people try to use them against us, we can't use period. It's just too dangerous. You know, you've got people who are all up in arms but then control this stuff with elections is far more dangerous. Because with this, you can control nuclear missiles. And you control a lot of other things, like for instance, fake vaccines connected to fake pandemic, that you can kill a lot of people without their even knowing that they're being murdered, essentially. And I hate to say it so strongly, but that's how I view the vaccine right now. But in any event, yeah, this is this is a very dangerous thing. And I think that we let ourselves in or when we said, you know what? It's okay to treat other countries like this. It's just not. We are not being their neighbors by doing this. We are not being good shepherds at all. We can't think of an honest way to handle our foreign relation that we need to think harder. We don't need to just become every bit as criminal as the other guy. I just don't think that works. I don't know. I get you. I love the idealism. I think that gets us to really a spiritual perspective to me is the only way you can resolve that, because if you're talking about this world, then you're always going to be making compromises, because it is about getting that hill and you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall kind of stuff. And there's a reality to that that I think we too often want to kind of forget.  And I certainly lead a great phony baloney lifestyle here in Southern California. And if that was ever really threatened, I'm not so sure where I draw the line of righteousness, particularly when those enemies could be some other systems that really, really don't care on a deep level. So, you know, maybe trace that water one more time with a response to that, because I love your Christian idealism. I'm not sure it works in the real world. But then again, I appreciate what you're doing, because I think what you're doing is the essence of being an American. It is the only chance we have to fight to the end for those ideals, for that, for that perfection, for that beacon of light on the hill. And that's what I see that you're doing, even if it seems like kind of a pushing the boulder up the mountain, only for it to roll off the other side kind of thing. Yeah, well, I certainly see where you're telling from. I mean, it reminds me of Corey Ten Boom's book, The Hiding Place, which is about how two sisters were hiding Jewish people in Holland. They both got brought to the concentration camps, and the sister refused to compromise for her Christian prisoners and principals. And she wound up dying there. And the other one made compromises. She lived and wrote the book. And so what you're basically saying is in excellent circumstances, how are you going to behave? And frankly, I don't know until I meet or encounter those circumstances. But I do feel rather strongly that if we say it's okay to engage in what we consider to be that porn behavior, just so we can deal with other people who are engaging in a porn behavior, we're not thinking about it. There's probably another way to get there. Okay, the story I always use for the longest time, a Ram Dass story, we're both Yogi kind of people. So Ram Dass is there with name Curly Baba. And he says, okay, forgive me, these are Ram Dass stories. So you don't know what part is kind of mythical, what part is real. But he's sent to this distant village, along with this other devotee volunteer to bring this medicine to these peasants, right? And they get to the hill, and there's a guy there, and he goes, yeah, you got to pay me in order to get there. He's an armed guy, he's, you know, mafia, he's cartel, whatever you want to say it, and a terrorist, how are you want to put it in today's words? And he says, no, pay me. And Ram Dass goes, we can't. We can't do that. That would violate everything that Baba is all about, you know, we'd be compromising ourselves and compromising the whole act of what we're trying to do of love and kindness and bringing this medicine to these people. And the woman is just outraged, she's like, what are you talking about? See those kids down there, you can see them running around. Some of them will be blind. Some of them will be dead if we don't bring that medicine. So give the guy a few rupees. Let's get the medicine down there.  And I don't think there, I don't think there is one. What do you think? Well, in that particular case, I think the most expedient answer is to give the guy the money and go down and save the villagers. Assuming they're not giving them COVID vaccine because then they have the opposite result. But hold on, everybody, everybody says that. So I've developed a twist that I like to add to the story now, right? Because everybody says it. Okay, now, here's what your money is doing.  And what he's going to do is go find some opium addicted peasant and going to buy his 11 year old daughter and sell that daughter into a life of prostitution and sex slavery. So now, same question. What's your answer? I have probably been the same answer, maybe come back and arrest the guy or deal with him somehow, but to prevent that from happening. But if you have one thing that has like a timeline on it, where we're getting it accomplished quickly, how shall I say this? If you don't get it done quickly, then you lose the opportunity. I would say do that first and then deal with the second problem. And the second problem is stopping this other stuff that's going on. But as getting all the way back to the election that we're seeing here, we clearly developed very dangerous tools that are being used against us. Okay, that's assuming that the military intelligence guy who said that's me is correct. I assume he is correct, but no matter who did it, the tools are super dangerous. And these things can cause much more harm than they're being credited for being capable of doing. You know, when I see the way that election fraud is handled by politicians and the judiciary and in some cases, investigative authorities, I'm really disappointed that they seem to think elections are so unimportant that they don't have to investigate them. They don't have to prosecute cases like this, and they don't have to deal with them in any meaningful way. So they're able to go out there with the talking points that all of our elections are safe and secure. To me, that is absolutely terrifying that these guys don't realize that, hey, the people of this country don't realize that when they take an election from you, they are taking an immense amount of power over you. Okay, it's the same people who are allowing riots to take place without punishing anyone. They have cities burned down, buildings looted, people shot, people injured. They're allowing these vaccine shots to go out all over the place, and people getting hurt, and they're not stopping it, despite the fact that all the rules that were in place up until 2021, early 2021, would have prevented that from happening. They would have stopped the vaccines for the first couple of deaths. They wouldn't have allowed them to stay going through all this time. Ridiculous. There's an amazing amount of damage that we're seeing as a result of stolen elections, because this just could not have happened without the stolen elections.  What do you say we watch a Dr. Zark video? Go for it. This is Dr. Zark of New York Citizens Audit. Welcome to lesson six in our ongoing election fraud series attack of clones. Clone records in New York are a problem. New York Citizens Audit has found no less than 320,000 excess numbers. This is what they look like. This is only the start of the shortest list. We take speed to show them. Is this a problem? There you go. All right, Dr. Zark, what did we just see? You saw one of 15 videos that I made to explain in one minute segments, although some of them go a little over that. Some of the findings that we've come up with at New York Citizens Audit. That particular one was a way to demonstrate the sheer quantity of clones that we found. That particular list that I was zipping through, and I didn't get through the whole thing because it just takes too long, was about 100,000 records long. I have another list that's 630,000 records, and I never bothered exporting the list. It's 2.4 million records. But the fact is, there's a lot of records, and it's just really, really shocking how many there are that are compromised. Imagine this. We're in New York State. There's 21 million records in the voter rolls, and how many people voted? 8 million. How many people actually live here? Nowhere close to 21 million. We've got a lot of excess records. One thing I'll mention about this is Judicial Watch, which is an organization that, well, they basically filed FOIA requests and sued Paris government officials and entities for reasons based on, related to election fraud. They recently sued New York City because they said you have all these excess records in your rolls. Of course, it's true. They do. New York, in fact, is one of the most egregious offenders in New York State. By the way, when I say New York City, people might not be aware New York City is made of five counties. They're Bronx, Kings, Queens, Richmond, and New York County. New York County is Manhattan. That's the island, but the other five are around them. He sued all four or five of those counties and got them to agree to remove the out-of-date records. What they did was they sent him a note, which he trope it all over his website saying, we agree. We are going to remove 431,000 and change records of these out-of-date records. They said, we did this on February 2nd, I think of as 2022. What I did was I had one of our guys take a look at the databases on either side of that date because we had a database from October of 2021 and another one from May of 2022. I said, just find out if they really took out those records. Guess what? They lied to the court. Not only that, it's interesting because if you look at it, you have the number of records actually going up every database we have. Every few months, the number of records is going up pretty significantly. At the same time, we have a declining population. We have more people leaving than we have coming in and somehow the number of records is going up at a constant pace. Meanwhile, they supposedly took out almost half a million records. What we did find was about 300,000 records that were converted from active status to purged status, but that's not 438,000. That's not necessarily leading them either. Somewhere along the line, something got missed. Never mind the fact that some of them got changed from active purge. I looked up some special cases. People who have 11 records and 22 records, they're still there. They're very... Oh, Andy. Oh, Andy, Andy, Andy. What? Like I always say, it was always thus. What are you going to do about this? Obviously, nothing is going to happen, but again, you're fighting the good fight, the audible fight, the righteous fight. Where do you plan on going with this? Well, in fact, yes. I didn't want to do this in the first place and while I'm working on it, I don't want to do it. I can't wait until this is all over and I can go back to doing partial photography because I like visual arts and I want to get back to that. However, I can't seem to drag myself away from it because it's fascinating. Also, there doesn't seem to be anything else to do right now, thanks to the world being all in chaos at the moment, as you might have noticed. I'm doing a sub-stax. I'm writing about this, but like all the rest of my writing, because somebody else asked me to do it. You mentioned my writing for law enforcement's day in Red Voice. I never really planned on writing for other people, but they keep on asking me, so I keep on doing it, but yeah, I can't wait until this is over. As far as I'm concerned, the data has to be analyzed. We have to get it into the right hands and then those people have to do their job and then if it's all possible, this has to get fixed. But as far as I'm concerned, the second I can stop doing this, I'm out of here. But at the moment, it remains interesting. I mean, it's just the other day I found something fascinating. I discovered that these guys were actually changing people's state ID numbers so that they could take a criminally, illegally generated record and make it look like it was legal. The thing is, I was thinking, you know what they could give as an explanation for that. We bet tens of thousands of these, by the way, is they could say, well, we noticed that this looked illegal, so we fixed it by making it look legal. The funny thing is, that's kind of what cooking the books is all about, right? That's, oh, we noticed, if somebody else saw this, they noticed that we're stealing money, so we had to fix the book so that it didn't look like we're stealing money. It's like, that might be their explanation. It's not a particularly good explanation and it certainly doesn't absolve them of any guilt. But we found that too when we were asking for the registration records is that they purged them when they got the request. So they were active for years. And then when they got our request, they looked at all these cloned records and they're like, oh my gosh, this is the same person that purged all those guys right now. So it doesn't really fix the problem. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes you can fix a broken window and it's all done and nobody cares anymore. But when you're talking about a crime, which is what we're talking about here, fixing it actually covers up the crime. And so that's not really fixing it. Now you're looking at obstruction of justice, justice, official reasons, negligence. I think there's another word in there, oh, destruction of evidence. Yeah. So it's four things, destruction of evidence. And there's obstruction of justice. And then it's official malfeasance plus negligence. So that doesn't really fly. And that's one thing that I kind of dislike about what I've been seeing in the press about this is sometimes people will complain. They're like, okay, this happened, needs to be fixed. And then they say, okay, we fixed it. Everything's fine now. And I'm like, no, because the problem that was created was the result of a crime. You didn't investigate the crime. You didn't go find the person who did it and say you need to go to jail or pay a fine or something. And that step has to be taken. You know, one thing that really disturbs me about this, and I do want to say this is these cloned records make it look like innocent people have committed voter fraud. Okay, I don't believe for a second that these are genuine examples of voter fraud. They are election fraud. Election fraud is handled at a much higher level. It cannot be done by individual voters. So I know of a case right now that happened in New York where an immigrant to this country as a green car has something like, I think I forget what the number was, it was like eight or nine registration records. Okay, and all was different SBID numbers. And I checked in the database and I found that it was true. And some of them had voted, right? And but the guy wasn't an American citizen, he's not eligible to vote at all, let alone the same election, right? So his records make it look like that's what he did. But this guy says in the answer, he says, I didn't even know I was registered. I never registered to vote in the first place. And I certainly have never voted. And the fact is, I actually believe the guy. Okay. And I believe him because of what I'm seeing the voter. But he was actually being investigated by the DA's office for voter fraud. That could actually happen to people whose names are being used like this. And it really, really bugs me because what happens is they're transferring the blame for something that could only happen at a high level. Down to people at the very bottom level who are not only innocent, they have no idea the thing that even happened. They don't even know that their names are being used like this. So that's one thing I definitely want to deal with because I don't like the idea of innocent people even being annoyed by someone knocking on their door and pestering them to see if they committed voter fraud or not. I mean, they are utterly innocent of any knowledge of this. They shouldn't be bothered at all. So it really bugs me that we've got all these people at a very high level doing something to achieve their own, the various end, whatever that happens to be. And in so doing, they are throwing the blame for everything they do if it's ever discovered on the bottom most long run of the hierarchy here. And in this case, that means the victims are then getting blamed for the people who are victimizing them. It's horrible. It's incredibly perverse to see this.  So anyway, there you go. But you wanted to talk. I wanted to say something about the out of range records. And I wanted to show you a couple of images because they're pretty shocking. You don't want to know. No, I think we can I say something. I want to say something. No, no. Oh, come on, Alex, let me see. You can say it, but I'm going to cut it out. All right. We'll see. Okay. One thing about the algorithms. You got the out of range numbers and the in range numbers. If you're going to say it, then you better say what you mean when you say out of range, in range numbers, because you're going to have to roll this all the way back to somebody walks in. They want to register to vote. They're assigned a number. It's supposed to be a sequential number, whatever the next one on the list is. And then why you would even need, you would have to say why you even need a range, how that would even work, which is kind of and then why there would be so many that aren't in a range. I mean, it's another half hour if you really want to do it properly. Okay. So you're giving me an option here. You're not just explaining to me why I'm not going to do this. I mean, the thing is, is that these numbers have some predictable characteristics that are kind of interesting. So if I share my screen, I'll show you what the ranges look like. And this is the key to the algorithm. If not for this, I would never have found it. So when you look at a database, you're not looking at what I'm seeing here. Okay. So what I've got is a bunch of county names. I've got the county codes that are assigned by the state. I've got the, the SBO ID numbers. That's the state ID numbers that they have in those counties. And this is how many there are, et cetera. You can't see this. But more importantly, each of these counties are assigned a range of numbers. So Onondaga County here starts with this number that I've got my cursor over, and it ends with this number. Okay. But that's only for about 56% of the numbers attached to Onondaga. All the rest are in a different area. It is not reserved by county. So what happens is the numbers that are not in this territory disguise the presence of the numbers that are here. And they, they exist below and above these numbered ranges. So basically what they've done is they've thrown a whole bunch of chapters into the error. And then in a very narrow range in the middle, they've gone ahead and designated a certain range of numbers attached to each one of these counties. And again, you can't figure this out by looking at the database very easily. The way I did it was I had to have to look at every single number individually, look at the county was attached to and figure out the relationships. And there was no way to sort it this way. Because if you only look at the county, I'm going to get all that chat. I'm going to get all that stuff that's out of range. And I'm also going to get all sorts of other numbers or moved into the county from another county, and they're going to take their number with them. So it's a real mess. So it took me about a week to figure out these ranges. And I didn't do it by myself. I had to probably help do it. But once we figured it out, realize they're utterly stable. The next thing was let's look at the ranges. Now you saw what happened when I looked at the in range numbers. That's that pattern made out of those replacements, the ones in 11s and 11s. Andy, Andy, I promise you, no one is going to be able to follow this. No one is going to be able to get in your head. That's why you're one of the few people on the planet that could have ever decoded this. That's why you're Dr. Zark. So I mean, go ahead if you want, but I just, I think you're way, way, way into it now in a way that I guess bolsters the point that you're making that, you know, they, it's pretty hard to figure this out from a, from a system standpoint, but go ahead. Well, okay, I was going to say you could just cut it right there and I could separate that, but fine, I'll continue. So in range, we have the spiral pattern, which is what I was showing you before with the 11th, right? But out of range, they have a different pattern. Now the first time I looked at it, I was zooming in on it and I see these patterns. Okay, so these are numbers, these are coordinates rather that are created by the CID numbers on the bottom and the state ID numbers on the left. And as you can tell, these are making shapes. This is not what you get when you sequentially assign numbers or consecutively assign numbers. This is a clear, uh, graphic design element that somehow been incorporated into these numbers. And the other thing that's kind of interesting, if you look at this group of numbers, this is 24,000 numbers. Um, and almost all of them are purged status, only one of them is active. So the thing that this implies is that, um, purged records are going to be positioned like this. Okay. So I wanted to see how true was that, how far did that extend? And I found out it went very, very far indeed. So I'm going to show you a couple of other graphs. Andy, Andy, fine, fine. You know, you can stop it there and just, you know, reassure everybody as tough legs and, and you can predict these things. And so that's fine. So I can predict things based on the numbers and I shouldn't be able to do that. It's just, it should be impossible, but unfortunately it's not. So I'll stop sharing. There you go. How's that? You happy? I'm happy. It's, it's amazing. We'll leave people some links so that they can watch all the awesome Dr. Zark videos that you did, which are, uh, drawn hand drawn by you, a lot of them, just amazingly done. It's all hand drawn. Again, how can we be having this conversation on skeptical when no one else has had this conversation? If someone steps back and really just takes a look at that aspect of it is like this guy has done something truly amazing. And he's tried to get people to pay attention. It's not like he's intentionally going dark on it. Just nobody cares. Well, I don't know if I go that far. He is actually getting quite a bit of traction in New York now. Um, although where, where, where Andy, where? Well, okay, look, I'm not going to give names, but we've got district attorneys now who are looking into it and we've got some politicians who are looking into it. We've got people at other states that are looking into it. That is what you said a year ago. I mean, nothing will ever come of this by the nature of it. I mean, this is Epstein level kind of stuff. And one thing we know about Epstein was it wasn't about Epstein, right? Actually, you just said something that I'd like to have you comment on because you actually have some expertise with this kind of stuff. So when you saw all this data and you saw the algorithm that I pointed out to you, what were you thinking? Where did this come from from your and what did it mean? Well, you know, when we first talked about this, I thought the real genius move on your part, because you're not really a computer programmer. And that was my educational background and my profession. So when I looked at it, my first thought was, how would I do it? How would I program it?  And I was stunned that you could reverse engineer it from just looking at this spreadsheet. I was stunned. So all that stuff, you know, all that stuff that you said, you'd have to be able to write this algorithm, you'd have to be able to hide the algorithm in some code, either backdooring it in or some, you know, some election machine or something like that, all the stuff that is now revealed by the work that you've done. Okay, thanks. Yeah, I, every person I talked to who had a background in computer engineering said pretty much the same thing. This is really complicated. They're really amazed it was discovered this way, or discovered at all, actually. And as far as I know, actually, the only things like this that have been discovered in this country so far were discovered by me. And that's this one, the one in New Jersey that I cracked. And although actually, no, I take it back, Hawaii looks like they've got a lead on this. So that one's kind of interesting. And they, the way they tag there is based on what I've been told, is more of an actual tag. So they've got 129,000 of their ID numbers, 10% of their population, which have the same 12 digits at the appended to their UUID.  You didn't want to do the hard work that they do in New York. It's that New York work ethic that they did it the right way. I wish there was a California work ethic. Frankly, I'd like to go hiking at Yosemite again on these days, but it's too far away at the moment. Anyway, okay, so is that all your questions or you have a double word? No, that's it. It was, I'm so glad, I'm so glad we did it. We'll just, we'll just leave it at that. We'll leave people some links that they can go watch and check out. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you link to the sub-stacks, our files. At the moment, that's all the income I'm getting and it's like nothing. Okay, 12 subscribers. Hey, it's subscribers. I got 144 free subscribers. Okay, I'm going to cut it off there. No, that's kind of abrupt, but we just kind of rolled into this whole unbelievably great hour long discussion about dreams, about rival matters, precognition, all sorts of stuff related to his incredible precognitive dreams, which are really, I'm changing to parapsychology as a whole. You know, again, the guy's PhD has published the dream book and published in peer-reviewed journals about his precognitive dreams. So it's, it's an amazing conversation and we went places that I've never gone with him before. So check that out. As far as this episode, the one question I tee up from this show is, is this a big deal? I'll tell you how much it's changed for me when I first heard about this a year, year and a half ago. I thought it was a really big deal.  How about for you? Let me hear from you. Enjoying the fun? I think I might go over to Discord. Don't know. Also, if you want to be a show producer and you have a guest that you think needs to be on the show, let me know and I'll try and set it up. Until next time, take care. Bye for now.


This is our mini steam plant and so what I'm going to show you is how we set everything up and then we'll show you how it's supposed to work. So the first thing we do is we take distilled water, get it relatively warm so that you want to use a lot of fuel in order to make it heat up inside the boiler and we have to fill it up to about two-thirds full. There's a little window on the other side over here. Then the next thing we're going to do is put the top back on, make sure that our connections are relatively tight and then we're going to put the fuel and these are from the same company that makes this type of unit. This unit is made by a company called Jensen and we get the fuel from a company in Germany. You can purchase these online. Most of the units that they have actually have an electrical outlet in order to heat up the fuel or the water. In this case we like to try to use the fuel so that you get an idea of what it's like inside of a real boiler. So what we're going to do is to heat this boiler till the steam is starting to flow, has a steam come across here and have the unit start to turn. So this would be what would be the turbine and then when it's turning this is the magnet and these are the wires that are around inside the magnet as it turns it will generate electricity. Hopefully we'll see this light bulb turn on but if not we're going to use this voltmeter to try to see the voltage that might be coming on when this is going. It has to be going at a relatively high speed to get the voltage high enough to turn on the light bulb and that doesn't always happen. Now we wait.


want to shave our 1000 here also have monkey 1000 today we're going to be doing a review of this axe pizza cutter pretty cool huh so let's go ahead and get this opened up let's check it out hey guys so this is what we got here it's kind of cute monkey got this we're at the dollar general five bucks okay kitchen essentials axe pizza cutter now I'm gonna start off by saying guys I know that this is a novelty because quite honestly something like this I think to me it's it's just a novelty so if you know I mean no matter how much I like it if I'm gonna cut a pizza I'm just gonna grab a regular pizza cutter now there's so many of these review channels that actually put these to the test as if that's gonna be their number one pizza cutter in their arsenal of kitchen gadgets that's that's not true to me it's something like if you're married to you know a tree trimmer or something it'd be it's cool you know it'd be like having a pizza cutter on a ranch I shouldn't vent that but I won't have to now because since I mentioned it 30 other people will but you know it's just to hang up and look cool or whatever I get it those guys don't they'll sit and cut now like the bicycle pizza cutter oh that don't work it's junk it's not really meant to work it's you know for the bicyclist in your family right yeah you know I mean it's it's a novelty it's like cool look here's a pizza cutter but so gives you instructions how to assemble insert wood handle into hole and blade head okay but let's go ahead and open this up here well this is packaged well yeah it is nice packaging oh the cutter is metal see this is kind of he can actually sharpen these things but this is kind of got an edge see there's an edge and there's an edge this is just got an edge on one side you know it's just plastic kind of chintzy but you know what the heck it's I think it's cool I think it's cute cuz I haven't seen one of these yet have you know this first time I saw one which way does okay so it goes like this there we go alright and that's pretty much all there is to that rules if it works I mean yeah I'm sure it'll cut but excuse me for five bucks I think it's cool like a novelty it's cool and itself you know I mean but even if it doesn't cut a pizza you know what this would be good for cutting your homemade noodles yeah stuff like that you know I happen to have a machine that does that but I mean you know you could cut your homemade noodles with it but I just think for five bucks so far it's well worth it for five bucks that it's just the cool factor of it to me these were five bucks whether it cuts a pizza or not yeah I think it's worth five bucks just like your friends that you know a tree trimmer you know here you go man you're like cool I'll hang up my garage you know I just think it's this cool that's what it's for but it says channel your inner lumberjack without leaving the kitchen the wooden handle and stainless steel blade will chop cheese and crust in true woodsman style yelling timber not required and it's got a limited warranty let's read this ASI guarantees that this product has no material or manufacturing defects if such defects are found ASI might at its own option replace the product or refund the purchase price these are your only remedies limitations of liability ooh okay let's read this ASI is not liable for any loss caused by incidental coincidental or consequential direct indirect or special damages related to use or misuse of this product so in other words you know like if if I cut myself because I'm fucking around like this they're not me or cut monkey they're not going to assume liability of it don't eat this okay so we got a pizza over here I want to see his pizza too it's pretty cool but I mean oh almost got her see that but this is cool this is really cool yeah she can do it either way but they have it like that so just gonna keep it like that yeah that's I mean stainless steel blade it doesn't it really doesn't feel junk I mean other than this rattling a little bit but you know so that yeah this is a Tupperware and see you had this one we got together didn't you so but that I mean it works fine I'm sure you know that you know this is not going to cut that great but I really don't care it's the cool factor so let's check this pizza out so monkey buys these for me I don't know if you guys have had these or not but these pizzas are awesome screaming Sicilian I'm gonna pull it out now does that sound familiar the ad yeah and the neighbors are thinking nasty thoughts and but all they're talking about taking the pizza out of the oven but this one is the pepperoni and it says piles of pepperoni I'll show you something really cool on the back to look at us this is crazy if you guys haven't tried this I'm about to knock my camera off there we go look at all these pepperonis but you can pop this mustache out of here and you can wear it so you can look like screaming Sicilian and that cool so you can give it to your kids and now you have a mustache pretty cool I'm gonna put it out now okay now I'm gonna move this just preheat the oven to 425 and put it in any oven for 17 minutes okay so hang on a second okay I just had to get my pan I don't know why I had to shut you off for that because it took me about three tenths of a second okay so I just want to show you all these pepperonis now sometimes we get them and there's a lot more pepperonis than this on it right moment oh yeah bunch and bunches of pepperonis here yeah cool of course it's a little misshapen because somebody probably had it in their vehicle way too long monkey's holding an axe at me like do something they said they weren't responsible that don't mean you're not responsible yeah I killed him but the box said right yeah the box said they're not responsible okay so anyway as you can see there is one hell of a lot of pepperonis on here and I have already got the oven preheated but anyway that's pretty cool right guys and of course they have other ones where you got like everything on it and sausage and do they have just a sausage one I believe so I'd like to try that one next okay here we go so I'm gonna put this in the oven for 17 minutes so while this is cooking for 17 minutes I am going to embrace you guys with the unmistakable sounds of elevator music for your enjoyment here we get now I'm just kidding I ain't gonna I ain't gonna make you do that I'm gonna put this in the oven for 17 minutes actually it says to check at 15 our oven cooks really really fast so I usually check it at 14 so just bear that in mind so anyway in the oven it goes and then we'll try to cut it up okay our pizza's done now we're going to try this thing out by the way this took about 12 minutes in our oven so let's give this a shot and see now it cuts just about like I thought it would pretty crappy but like I said it's more of a novelty yeah say compared to a regular a regular one that cheese I'll probably put it back in for a couple more minutes maybe another minute so but guys listen for five bucks I think it's worth that just because it's cool you know it's a tool yeah it's you know and this feels like it's going to come off but is it great at cutting pizza no it sucks very badly at cutting pizza but we figured that because this is a novelty this is a novelty but for five bucks I think it's a cool novelty and I still give it a two thumbs up for the cool factor I mean but that's just me look at all these pepperonis I was talking to them monkey monkeys ever encounter mm-hmm okay I won't put this back in just for like another minute I'm not going to turn me up and back on or anything that'll melt that and monkey and I will give you our final thoughts be right back okay guys so there you go that's our review of the axe pizza cutter again it's a novelty I hate when these reviewers these review channels get on there and they review this stuff like you're actually going to use this you're not it's for fun I might even hang it up in the garage because it's really cool you know yeah for five bucks I think it's worth five bucks for the novelty but I'll tell you something that we're not going to try because I'm not gonna make mix it up but noodles the this would cut your homemade noodles just fine so there is a use for it's just you know I hate when they you know this thing's junk don't buy it no I'm saying it's junk for cutting pizza but I'm saying buy it because it's really cool if you're a tool guy if you're not even an outdoorsman you know camping people like us it's real it's just it's just cool you know I mean you're not going to use it outdoors but you use axes outdoors you know so it's just a fun little thing and to me it's well worth the five bucks I give it two thumbs up for the cool factor two thumbs down for the cutting factor right but again I would recommend it sorry I would recommend it so there you go guys the pizza cutter the axe pizza cutter by kitchen essentials kitchen essentials so there it is trying to get a thumbnail I think it's pretty cool yeah so anyway guys thanks for watching appreciate it monkey you have anything else you want to add no you want to eat the pizza now yeah she had pizza for lunch yesterday yes yeah all right okay guys so I'm gonna say she ever admit man legend golf now and we'll see you guys in the next one month don't forget check her channel out we'll see you guys soon bye bye and take care


Alright, let's begin. Ask panelists if they have any observations or questions. Dame Julia? It was a fascinating talk. Congratulations. Have you compared what cells you put when you want to construct the blood vessels as a difference between fetal young cells and aging cells? We haven't done that direct comparison, but looking at other work in the literature, there has been a small amount of work looking at fetally derived cells or brand new neonatal cells, and a difference between that and what we see in adult cells is related to the assembly of elastic lamina. So you see elastic in both vessels, but you see the assembly into very organized structures just if you're using the very young cells. Any other questions? How far from clinical application? The engineered blood vessels, I would say, still several years, especially the tissue engineering industry has gone through a rough period and the nanotechnology for cancer, the clinical trials are imminent now. A couple of questions from the audience. You use gold nanoshells. Can silver be used as a coating? What would be the comparative advantages or disadvantages? We actually can make materials with silver. When we make them with silver they give us the ability to go to gain optical properties a little bit lower down into the UV ranges even. One of the issues is that the silver coatings are less stable in the biological environment and are not horribly toxic, but do have a slight toxicity associated. Would nanoshells be used to fry cancer cells rather than radiation thereby causing fewer radiation related side effects? That is our hope. We're not quite trying to fry them. We're trying to get a temperature change of only about 15 degrees C. If we get too hot you will start to cause damage to surrounding tissue because the heat has to radiate out. But if we go just for the threshold of the heating we need to destroy the cancer cells then we can have a very, very small damage zone to the surrounding normal tissue into where we're really at the single cell level of controlling where the damage occurs. Is this procedure going to be applicable to all solid tumors? Hopefully. At this point we think so. We've done animal studies in a number of different cases but not quite enough to agree with the word all. For example, would it include brain tumors as well? Yes, we've done both glioma and medulla blastoma models orthotopic and have had very nice results there. Could your nano-image be used to look at engraftment of your contrast in vivo? Potentially. We haven't tried that but I think it would be possible. Just sort of a practical question. Who funds your research, your public or private? Who owns the patents for the hydrogel or other materials? Okay, so my last slide actually did have the funding agencies. So a number of federal agencies, NIH, NSF, interestingly DOD actually funds a lot of cancer research. They have a congressionally directed medical research program that is targeted for breast cancer, for example. We have some funding from there. We have some from private foundations. We have a very small amount from some corporate sources. And the patents, as part of my employment with Rice University, they are the owners. Okay. Here's another question I think a number of people would have. What happens to all the nano-shells that you inject into the body? I'm so often asked this question. I should just start addressing it in the talk. So we designed them to actually be too large to be filtered through the kidneys. Our first generation were smaller nanoparticles and they clear from the body too quickly if they can go through the kidneys into the urine. But if we make them large enough, they can't do that. And then instead, they're gradually cleared through the liver. So they're taken up by macrophages over time. They eventually go to the liver, are excreted into the bile duct. And over a period of two to three weeks, you can detect them coming out the end of the digestive system. You mean it lights up? In the infrared. Another question here. In the repair of, for example, damaged hearts, which therapy do you think will be first to market? Stem cell repair of damaged muscle or embedding of nanoconstrictors in damaged muscles? I would probably bet on the stem cells that are already into clinical trials. And I think that the ability to really get that much control over nanomaterials is probably still a decade away. Please help me visualize the cell sizes that we're dealing with here. So an average human cell is on the order of about 10 microns. And I don't know if this is so relative to the nanoshell. So the nanoshell would be about three orders of magnitude smaller than that. So trying to visualize a good difference between a human cell. How about with regard to the width of a human hair? Anyone remember how wide a human hair is? Off the top of my head, I think I remember 100 microns. Something like that. So your average cell would be at 10 microns. 80,000s of a diameter of a human hair. The other question that comes to mind when I hear that, you talk about attaching antibodies to these nanoshells. And you make it sound really pretty easy. What's involved in this? I mean, how long does it take? Do you have whole platoons of graduate students that are spending most of their life doing this? Or is it completely automated? There is that platoon of graduate students. I had a picture of them on the last slide, too. It is rather a platoon, although the actual attachment is quite easy. So gold nanoparticles have actually been in use since about 1970 as ways to detect specific structures under electron microscopy. So they're very electron dense, so you can see them. They can light up places in tissue under the electron microscope. And so people have spent decades now developing very robust techniques for attaching antibodies onto gold, and we were able to just come in and capitalize on all that work. To what extent have the nitrous oxide releasing hydrogels been used in clinical trials? And have they compared with other treatments such as drug eluting stents? They have not yet been used in clinical trials. One of the manufacturers of drug eluting stents is now starting to do a comparative study between our materials and drug eluting stents. And so hopefully in about six months we'll have a good answer for that. Are you worried about the financial involvement of this company and one of the technologies influencing the results? My sense is that they've recognized some problems with the technology that they have and that they're trying to find a new option for their next generation. Could photothermal ablation be used to bind nanoballs to ischemic tissue and kill them and therefore stop heart arrhythmias? Potentially. So any tissue structure that you could specifically recognize and cause binding to, you could wipe out. And so aside from cancer we've also had some interest in looking at diabetic retinopathy where you have overgrowth of blood vessels in the back of the eye that have specific markers you can recognize. There are many different diseases besides cancer that this may be applicable in. And along that same line, can nanoshells target non-solid tumors? We don't know. We have not looked at all at things like leukemia yet. I think it would be very interesting. I think there's some potential but we have not done any studies in that area yet. So why are the nanoparticles not recognized by our immune system? So the immune system has evolved to recognize biologically oriented molecules. The surface are very inert. When we're attaching the antibodies we actually have a coating of PEG while we're putting the targeting antibodies on. Polyethylene glycol or PEG is actually a compound that's added to many materials to prevent interaction with the immune system. So that helps as well. How small does the nanoparticle have to be to cross the blood-brain barrier? In areas where you have tumor growth you actually have a lot of disruption of the blood-brain barrier. And so we see them crossing into tumor regions when they're around 100 nanometers or smaller. In normal regions they're not crossing those blood vessels.  The main mechanism for cell death actually seems to be permeabilization of the membrane. So very quickly after the light treatment we see that the membranes become very leaky and cells you normally keep a very different composition as far as the fluid inside the cell versus outside the cell. When the membrane stops functioning and you have substances able to cross that's actually fatal to cells. And that seems to be the main mechanism although certainly the heating would be disrupting protein functions as well. Do you anticipate or is it now possible to use the Raman biosensor to detect or diagnose in vivo infectious organisms? Yes, we think it should be. So we can definitely do it in blood samples and we know that this wavelength of light crosses through tissue so we think that it would be possible to do detection in vivo. One final observation here and I'll have to admit I get this just about every year. There's much talk of how few women there are in science. I see four of your collaborators are three women and many women students. Congratulations. Well, I think this will conclude our second day of talks here. I'd like to offer a couple of thanks here. One is I would like to offer my thanks to my colleagues here at the college. When we put this conference on it seems like everybody at the college takes a couple days out of their normal life and devotes it strictly to making sure that everybody comes here has a good time. And I would really like to tell them how much I appreciate their willingness to do that. And then I would really like to thank our panelists for giving us two days of absolutely brilliant talks. You're getting a standing ovation, ladies and gentlemen. I think you should rise and acknowledge it. Thank you very much for coming. Our banquet this evening will start at 6.30. I would expect that Dr. Miles' talk will begin about 7.30. If you do not have a banquet ticket, we will be simulcasting this in Alumni Hall. Probably beginning about 7.30, I should say. Thank you again.