The National Broadcasting Company and its affiliated stations present the Pacific story. This is the story of the Pacific, the drama of the millions of people who live around this greatest sea, where the United States is now committed to a long-term policy of keeping the peace. This, as another public service of the National Broadcasting Company, is the background story of the events in the Pacific, and their meaning to us and to the generations to come. Man King, symbol of victory. I could hardly believe it. At last we were coming back to Nanking, thoughts of how we had left on foot, battered and beaten, and of all that had happened in the eight years since, surged up a knee and blended with the roar of the engine. We will be landing in a few minutes now, Chaoyong-T. Yes. Look at the city below us. Nanking lay like a great intricate pattern below us, on the right bank of the Yangtzee, 200 miles up the river from Shanghai. Look at all the highways and roads running into the city, and the great walling closing. Yes. We were coming back, not on foot this time, fleeing in the night, but flying back to accept the surrender of those who had chased us out eight years ago. It was Nanking. It's beautiful. Bloody Nanking. Nanking which was 600 years old at the time of Christ. This was the scene of some of China's greatest struggles, Chinese against Chinese and Chinese against the foreign negresses. This was the last resting place of Sun Yat-sen. We went to his white marble martholeum on the slopes of Purple Mountain. I stood there in the quiet. Nothing had changed around the martholeum, except that the trees had grown to some height. We waited for the key to unlock the inner temple. Here rested the man who, more than any other, had inspired us toward freedom and a better life. After the Manchus had been overthrown in 1911, he became the first president of the republic in China. In the interest of national unity, I shall be glad to withdraw in favor of Yuan Shikai. Will Yuan Shikai then come here to Nanking, Dr. Sun? Nanking is the capital of the republic. But Yuan Shikai has established himself in Peking. Peking has for centuries been the capital of the Manchus. The capital of the republic should be here in Nanking. Here we have drawn up our provisional constitution. And here we have established the government of the people. But can we persuade Yuan Shikai now that you have turned over the presidency to him to move here to Nanking? They could not. Yuan Shikai stayed in Peking. But Dr. Sun Yat-sen never gave up the thought of having the government of the republic in Nanking. Trouble came, and Dr. Sun and Yuan Shikai fell out. Dr. Sun saw that there must be an expedition to overcome the northern militarists and bring all of China under one government. This was his dream until he died in 1925. And the next year, the northern expedition was lost. Chiang Kai-shek has stormed and captured Chiang Chao. In Nanking, all was tensed as we waited. Chiang Kai-shek has taken Manchang in Peking. We wondered how it would be when he reached Nanking. Chiang Kai-shek has taken Han Chao and is moving on Nanking. Nanking vibrated with excitement the day the city fell. Look at them. Those are the forces that will unify China. They will succeed if the party itself does not split. Because Chiang expelled the rebels from the party? Yes. The northern expedition cannot succeed if there is serious dissension within the expedition itself. The day after Nanking was occupied, the trouble came. Chaos has broken loose in Nanking. Mobs are sweeping through the city, attacking foreign property, raiding consulates, looting and murdering. So far in the wild confusion, no one has been able to fix flame for the outbreak. Under whose orders the troops are operating is still not known. The entire city... By the time the outrage had subsided, the foreign press was furious. Chiang Kai-shek should be held responsible. If the government of China is not able to maintain order, then it's time that outsiders stepped in. The Nanking affair is a disgrace. And those responsible should be held to strict accountability. Which factions were responsible for the incident did not at once come out. But we knew that it was a plot to discredit Chiang Kai-shek. Chiang took full personal responsibility for the affair. And here at Nanking, where he had faced one of his greatest trials, he established the seat of the government and invited the support of all who were opposed to communism. So Nanking was a capital again, but a shaking. I have the key now for the inner temple. Oh, yes. If you will follow me please. We walk to the door of the inner temple. We entered the tomb of our Sun Yat-sen around the casket. It was as if Sun Yat-sen had been waiting here for our return all this time, all these eight years. The tomb was hallowed with all the Dr. Sun means to us, with all that he means to China. Not until the state burial of Dr. Sun here had Nanking been accepted as the capital of China. With his death, Dr. Sun had at last congregated this city of Nanking. And now we had come back after all that had happened to re-establish the capital here.  The Japanese soldiers bowed stiffly as we drove by. Their day was done. Their occupation had ended as the other occupations had ended. In the sixth century Nanking was utterly destroyed. I could hear my teacher telling me that when I was a boy. The conquering hoards came and they leveled to the ground every building. And they plowed up the lands inside the city walls so that no trace of its beauty should remain. I looked at the ancient walls, gracefully followed up the hills and down over the rolling country. How long have those walls stood there? Many, many centuries. I thought of the many gates, and all the others. Once Nanking had been even the biggest city that it is today, the biggest wall city in the world. This archway that stands here on the land I tell once marked the way to a bridge. A farmer had told me that when as a boy I had stood in the field studying the archway. But the bridge is long since gone. Only the ancient archways stood there, the furrows of the till land running through it on the long side. Yes, the bridges were gone as the porcelain pagoda was gone. It stood up there on the hill, a tower of beauty. It had glazed tiles of a hundred colors. Its graceful overhanging eaves were sparkling green and from its delicate cornices hung 150 bells. I could hear my teacher saying that. Then the typing rebels came. They swept through the country, killing and pillaging and burning as they went. They blew up the porcelain pagoda and they left Nanking little more than a waste of smoldering ruins. Slowly the city rose again. But very slowly. I played along the river when I was a boy and when I was big enough to go to Shanghai for the first time, I realized that Nanking was a Chinese city, as Shanghai was a cosmopolitan city. In Nanking there were no foreign concessions. Some foreigners there were in Nanking, but not traders. Mostly they were scholars and missionaries and diplomats. We will see a Chumshan gate in a few minutes. Chumshan gate, yes. I am eager to see it. I remember Chumshan gate somewhere. You see, John, they're cutting this road straight through from the waterfront on the Yangtzee here to the Chumshan gate. An American missionary explained it all to me. It will be a modern highway. It will be called Chumshan Road. But Mr. Townsend, how can they do the road through all of those houses? The houses will have to come down. But that is the way of progress. Progress? It was the first time I understood its real meaning. The road will go through the old city wall near Drum Tower and on through the banking circle in the business section. I watched the thousands of coolies working with modern machinery. Look, Chow. Look at the people gathered to greet us ahead there at Chumshan gate. Yes. They're waving flags and shouting with joy. Let's all stop for a moment, shall we? By only. Yes. How's the General Itomo? General Itomo is fine. He is fine. I think he ain't waiting these years. General Itomo is an excellent help. When will General Itomo come? He will come here when all is ready for him. He will be here. You're Chow Yangtzee? Yes. Yes, and Chow Yangtzee? I am Yu Feng. You remember me? Yu Feng? Yes. Remember you used to give me rights? Yu Feng was a boy. I was only ten years old then. That was just before the Japanese came. Yes. Yes. I am eighteen now. Eighteen. You have been here in Nanjing. All this time? Yes. All this time. We drove down Chumshan road. A thousand impressions humbled through my mind. The old familiar landmarks, people, words, the side streets, the everlasting hills. This city had been built by the younger generation. The progressive, the enterprise. They had cut this road through the city. They had put up these magnificent buildings, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Metropolitan Hotel, these. But now their magnificence was marred, scarred by the ruthless hands of the Japanese. We were digging in the ruins trying to clean up some of the wreckage that September day in 1937. The Japanese had bombed the city sixteen times in the last week. And then, Adler, Kyushu, Asigawa's announcement came. Nanjing is condemned. This is a warning to all foreigners to leave at once before the final phase of the bombing. They are going to bomb us more than we've had this last week. Asigawa says that it will wipe Nanjing from the face of the earth. What good is it then to clean up this wreckage? Let us see if there are any more injured or dead before we stop. Ah, yes. Oh, all of you, hurry now with the search. There is little time. In 1937, the world knew little of the bombing of cities. We waited for the dreadful hour. We even dared to hope. But this we gave up after word came of the aptitude of the Japanese newspaper. Adler, Asigawa is to be honored for his shibare in giving advance warning to foreigners to save themselves by leaving the city. By his warning, Adler, Asigawa has shown himself a true samurai in applying the Bushil call to Nanjing. The foreigners have been warned. Let them and the enemy Chinese act with equal honor. The Adler should be given... We must do all we can to prepare Air-Age of his job. Dr. Townsend, the missionaries, work along with the rest of them. If there is only enough time. Everyone is working, Dr. Townsend. We must not stop until there's shelter for all. While we dug, others put up arrows pointing to the shelter. Is that the Air-Age, Dr. Townsend? Yes. Yes, it is. Everyone down in the shelters. Everyone down in the shelters. Hey! Hey! Down into the shelters! Hey! Hey! Hey! The bombs are coming! Everyone down in the shelters. There were 40 Japanese bombers in that person. The earth trembled as the bombs fended down. The second grade came only 30 minutes after the first. Exploded, then incendiaries dropped for hours. The flames licked high up into the sky. When night came, the darkness was pierced with the gleam of the rolling fire. The bombers kept coming back. They're coming! I saw them! I saw them! A Japanese patrol at the Sanyaksen Memorial. They're closing in. Already at Purple Mountain? Yes. Yes, I saw them looking down across the city. You could not dream of what was before. The bombing had been merciless. The city was shattered. The magnificent buildings were mangled. Junshan Road and Taipei Road were lanes of wreckage. The Japanese surged into the city like a tidal wave. And the people about a thousand swarmed the shores of the Yangtzee and scrambled to get onto rafts and into boats to try to get across to the North Bank. Japanese planes! Japanese planes! They are diving to paper! Get down! Then the looting started. The stores and houses and skin-standing were stripped of all their stock and furnishings, loaded onto stolen wagons and motor cars and hauled away. Will you leave nothing for us at all? Get out of the way! Those who died this way were lucky. Some were bayoneted. Some were tied together in tight bundles of 40 and 50. Gasoline was poured over them until they were saturated. Then they were satisfied. They were marched out in large groups and mowed down. God give us courage. Dr. Townsend prays. Grant everlasting peace. And the walls were dying. And the walls were about to die. Grant strength to face this ordeal as thou face it on Calvary. And to these world presses, though they torture us and kill us, forgive them. For they know not what they do. Forgive them. We ask it all in Jesus' name. Planes! Planes! The planes are coming back! They are not dropping bombs! No, no! They are dropping leaflets! Look, thousands of leaflets! The leaflets fluttered down like leaves in an autumn wind. When the planes were gone, some of the leaflets were brought into the compound. Look at the picture on them. It was a colored picture of a Japanese soldier with a Chinese child, like the Christ child in his arms. A Chinese mother was bowing at his feet, thanking him for the rice he has given him. What does it say there? It says, all good Chinese who return to their homes will be fed and clothed. Japan wishes to be a good neighbor to those Chinese not fooled by monsters who are Jantai-shek soldiers. Japanese soldiers, they're coming this way. Dr. Townsend! Dr. Townsend! Yeah? They're setting fire to this whole section! We must stay here. We must help the suffering. We looked at each other. Dr. Townsend's come. The Japanese went from place to place along King Shan Road and Taipei Road and put the torch to the buildings after they had looted them. They plundered the American Embassy, the British Embassy, on the German Embassy. On Christmas Eve, all Taipei Road was inflamed. On New Year's Day, a Japanese merchant ship arrived. We made our way down to the angst to see it tied up at the dock. Look, it is filled with Japanese sightseers. Yeah. Sightseers in the city still burning. Yeah. I hope what they see, they will never forget. These visitors were conducted on a tour through the streets that had been cleared of wreckage. Some of them gave sweets to the bewildered Chinese children and patted their frightened heads. These are the ones, Chow, who would try to make banking a Japanese city. A few days later, the Japanese papers from Shanghai reached Nen King. We read what the Japanese said about Nen King. Nen King is quiet. The refugees who fled for their lives from the midst of death have met with the gentle soothing of the Japanese army. Many thousands of refugees cast off their former absurd attitudes of opposing Japan and clasped their hands in congratulations for receiving assurances of rights. Men and women, old and young, bend down to kneel in salutation to the Imperial Army. On New Year's Eve, I slipped out of Nen King. Nen King was lost. Again, Nen King was ravaged. As I went away from it, all I could think of was its ruin. And yet I knew that Nen King was more than a city. It was a symbol. How changed it all is, Chow? Yes. The streets are clear. The important buildings are repaired. Many of the old buildings are gone. Yes, but look at all the Japanese shops in their place. Yes. And all the Japanese. There were never so many Japanese civilians in Nen King. They came here when the heavy bombing of Japan started last summer. After the fall of Nazi Germany. How ironic. They came here to Nen King to escape bombing. Yes. Oh, there is the beautiful Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Yes. Wang Qingwei must have been mortified. The general me show you that as the headquarters of the Japanese Army of Occupation and put him the head of the puppet state in that old building. Wang Qingwei had been Prime Minister of the Nationalist Government in Nen King. He had gone along with Zhang Kaixue to Nen King to carry on the fight against the Japanese. He had said... The Japanese are like thieves in a house. They must be put out. And then after he had left Nen King and gone over to the Japanese, his attitude changed. I urged the general to stop hostilities with Japan. He rebuked me and let me out of the party and called me a traitor. I knew it was hopeless to stay longer in Nen King. Oh, Chow. Yes. The examination ministry where Wang Qingwei was inaugurated as the head of the Japanese puppet government. Yes. It was in March...1940. After three postponements, Wang Qingwei today promulgated what he and his Japanese overlords called the National Government at Nen King. While the rain drizzled down outside, Wang stood in a circle of his puppets and made the announcement. Not one foreign nation except Japan was represented at the inauguration. After the ceremony, Wang signaled and those standing around him bowed deeply. This was the start of Japanese-dominated puppet government of China. The Japanese tried to bolster Wang's prestige by sending General Snowbie Yuki Abbey to Nen King as special envoy and ambassador. But no amount of bolstering could make Wang Qingwei or the Nen King government more than puppet. I remember the secret reports that reached us in Truth Room. Fighting has broken out in Nen King between Wang Qingwei's troops and the Japanese. Wang Qingwei has again tried to give up his regime as president of the Nen King government and go to Hong Kong. But again, he has not been able to do it. We got reports of his failing help, and at the same time of the growing strength of the Japanese in Nen King, they have made the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the inner strength of the Japanese military in China. We kept close tabs on all that was happening in Nen King. The Japanese are realizing that they made a bad deal when they set up the Wang Qingwei regime. But now that they have recognized it and supported it, they cannot abolish it without losing faith. Wang could neither rule nor escape. Wang Qingwei died today after receiving treatment for eight months in the hospital. Chen Kungpo has been named to succeed him. Chen Kungpo? The Japanese news agency Dome has reported that Chen Kungpo has killed himself. Yes, that is what they have said. All this had happened here. All this ensues very much more. Every building, every street corner, every gate, and archway, and park called up more of the deep meaning of Nen King. Here China had raised its highest hopes. Here it had suffered one of its greatest tragedies. Here the anguish of the people had turned to bitterness. But now all that was passed. The puppet government was gone. The Japanese were defeated. And we were back to accept their surrender. The auditorium of the Central Military Academy was decked with the flags of the United Nations. This is China's hour child. Yes. It hardly seems rare after so long. So long. Eight years of heartbreaking warfare since the Marco Polo Bridge incident. Fourteen years since the movement incident. Fourteen years of bloodshed. Death to millions. Suffering from any many millions. On a ravaged, death-related country. And now this. Here at Nen King. Look at the representatives of the other nations there. The United States, Britain, the Netherlands, Canada, Russia, France, Australia. The representatives of the United Nations were expressionists. I looked at the Japanese commander, Lieutenant General Okamura. Has any nations' humiliation ever been so great, Charles? I almost pity the Japanese. Look at General Hogen Chin. The commander-in-chief of the Chinese forces was Surin. General Okamura took off his glasses. He looked grimly over the surrender pit. The Emperor of Japan, the Japanese government, and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, having recognized the complete military defeat of the Japanese military forces by the Allied forces, hereby surrender unconditionally to the supreme commander of the Allied forces. All ground, sea, air, and auxiliary forces were in China. Okamura's mouth tightened as he read. The eyes of all the Chinese, of all the representatives of the other seven nations were on him. The eyes of the world were on him. He put his signature to the document. He has surrendered a million Japanese troops in China and all the forces north of the 16th latitude, excepting those in Manchuria. Yes, and he has surrendered here in Nen King. Nen King was again the captain. 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Good evening. I'd like to convene the regular scheduled suckboard meeting of June 19th for the town of Berlin With us tonight to my left is flow Smith to my right is Tornals, and I'm Brad town was also as Vince Connie our town administrator Edition or changes to the agenda no public comment hearing none Special event permit application It's basically the same as last year's in the year before as well for 30 p.m. The 8 p.m On the 17th of August Application for the central from our runners as presented this evening and described Second any further discussion are they having are they posting the route or anything? They'll have signs up along the way, and they'll have volunteers again same as they've done it in the past Now they posting it before the race You know a day or two before they last year they did yeah five days in advance They said on the application Any other discussion All those in favor hi all right motion carries AOT discussion on maintenance agreement on toll bridge Yes, we have Adam Answer any questions And you do have an example of what was provided for the town of Guilford in your package I Think one of the one of the problems we were having Was our maintenance on a state structure well, I guess I won't catch off, but I mean I've got two Problems with this And the first is kind of more broad. I mean I'm just fundamentally opposed to putting it upon the towns To do the maintenance You know state structures like to chair alluded to It's you know, it's in the v-trans strategic plan and their pedestrian plan and all these action plans they have that they're going to encourage Motton all-time motorism and pedestrian access and then you know here You're taking the first good step by you know offering to put in the sidewalk, but then you're washing your hands of that I don't think that's fair in the part of each range to do and I understand that's a decision higher up than yours And I'm totally aware of that and then as far as I mean I'm assuming that our Agreement would be somewhat close to this one provided by Guilford Two things that concerned me in here Was that I Guess first part on the page one of the whereas the municipality shall be responsible for the maintenance of the sidewalk improvements So that does that mean that we're on the hook for any future Repairs that need to be made to the sidewalk in the future Okay That's good news and then the other thing that really gets me is You know just as including but not limited removal of ice and snow and to me that's just entirely vague I mean what what are the standards? You're looking for from us You know two-inch snowfall four-inch You know we go out yet the state plow goes by you know ten minutes later and covers the sidewalk up again Then we have to go out again and clear it off. I mean I'd like to see something more concrete than just this You know the statement, you know removal of snow and ice Okay Appreciate it. The other thing is is that we're not We're not set up with any equipment to do that I mean, you know, we are just we are just Snow removal with trucks. We have nothing as far as Skid steers or small tractors or anything like that And to have maintenance thrown on to us for this bridge is going to require Other equipment that we just don't have or contracting it out Yeah, but we either way it brings puts a cost up on us as the town You know that you don't do further municipalities as far as It might be time to start thinking of like a class one sidewalk program or something But the the structure you're taking down already has a side what's that configuration Open deck So the initial proposal was I'm just saying there's no other sidewalk down there People that bike can walk on a daily basis Worth the longevity of the town have them put in the sidewalk or leave a wider shoulder 5 feet shoulder 5 foot shoulder Well, I mean the the nice thing about the I wouldn't say the nice thing about the bridge there But the good thing about the bridge is that the sidewalk now is separate from the travel way. That's why I Haven't seen With a raised sidewalk Stop Yeah So basically the bridge the bridge layout is going to be the same as Bailey Street Bridge Montpelier except only one side Or one raised side One there by the high school Opened back with a shoulder in the sidewalk I personally am more in favor of the five foot shoulder as opposed to the raised Sidewalk that's just my own perspective But I do understand your concerns with the language there because it really opens up and puts a lot of onus on The town it's the option is still available if they if the board chooses not to go in the sidewalk So that option is still available choose that that eliminates having to have any agreement at all We would have to So Here in that I guess I would move to recommend To the HCO transportation that they proceed with the Shoulder by the shoulder as opposed to a dedicated sidewalk I concur I mean to send to send a truck down there with a man just to shovel the sidewalk It's not efficient for us. I think it's an amicable resolve Well motion on that All those any further discussion All those in favor So if you can go back to AOT and just see if they can revise the plan for no side no raised sidewalk put that way The two five foot shoulders Thank you very much Adam. Thank you for coming in straight animal holding agreement Yep, this is the yearly agreement very similar to the last years And at the end of that you'll see last year's invoice of five hundred and ten dollars in total the Humane Society Which 110 of that is for a camp no reaction mr. Chairman Well, I have to ask this what was the difficulty with the cat The cat cost less, but there was the after hours after hours The cat was after hours It was a late night cat Well, I just want to know what the cat was doing to to elect the uh The ire of the uh of the animal control officer. Um, it was wanderinglessly about um cedar drive application of any ownership of where it was picked up after hours and Are you looking for adoption of this piece or approval or I move that we Approved the stray animal holding agreement with the central Vermont Humane Society And authorize The town administrator to sign on our behalf I second that motion Can you further discussion The only discussion I have is in section f has section f changed in any way Vince Because there is a portion in there that says the town city agrees to pay cbhs a fine of 500 dollars per animal within 30 days of the animal's arrival In addition to the agreement fee listed below regard regardless of how long the animal remains at cbhs And of course that isn't In the invoice that we received this year. So I'm wondering what would constitute that Because that's a sizable amount Yeah, again, I don't I would have to get back to you on that But I don't believe that this has changed at all since for the fee rates The good news is last year. We didn't have anybody stay over 30 days I'm thinking that this is more of a Quarantine rabies quarantine type of Yeah, it's specifically talks about it doesn't It doesn't take them for rabies quarantine, but if If for some reason it ends up going that way very good. We typically use Something rescue service for those other issues. Okay, very good Well And the in that same section the first line it says domestic non-ferral And who decides non-ferral? And they stay in contact with you when they It's typically the police. Okay. So right through the police. Okay Okay, um, thank you Any other discussion on this? All those in favor Motion carries MOU for capital fire mutual aid. Yes Joe mr. Stombrough this up and asked for it to be on the agenda and conveniently He's not able to be here to talk to it tonight. This is something that we had on What more in a couple of months ago and this is about the capital fire mutual mutual aid and we we did approve the uh One-time payment of the funds previous to this Coming back on the agenda for the for the 10 years And that's that's what this is. We never get you never completed it But we did approve the funding Okay Motion for the memorandum of understanding I make the motion to approve the memorandum of understanding as presented to us this evening and described by vince Oh second Any further discussion? um, I wasn't part of the board for this, you know original discussion, but Why I don't know if you can answer this through the flow. Why is this coming to us for approval? I would think the fire department themselves could Approve it I think they brought it to the board mainly because they wanted our input because they were more volunteer As opposed to be combined with the town. So I think they felt More inclined to have our opinion on it. Would you say that's true? That's part of it, but also The the fire department did approve it, but they came to us Um as they're going as other mutual aid fire departments are going to to their towns for the funding For this mutual aid System that they're they're upgrading it putting in place. It's a 10-year funding plan I can send you the information on that if you'd like to see that after to understand it better And and the board the board based on the presentation that that they were provided By mute the capo fire The board approved that the amount for the for the 10-year funding they approved to pay it in a one-time payment Out of the out of the airport funds as well And it was an in-person presentation here to us as a board The only other comment I would make is again, I if you want me to sign it as the previous one you Authorize me or the board chair can sign it Tell me did you have something on there? I was just saying like with our department in Northfield That's the same thing we're doing We're going to the board and speak to the behalf of the capital capital dispatch now and then They're just it's mainly for radio upgrades rather off radio problems throughout The 26 towns that they cover now. Are you trying to get all the radios the same? They all are the same, but it's very dated Yeah, so they're trying to upgrade everything into like stuff and We get a lot of the back over from canada because they really don't have any Restrictions up there. So their radios are a lot more powerful. They'll reach down here No problem. So they're trying to Clean all that up and get it Get done more or less on their own towers and systems and You know, they've got I think they're up to like five towers now, but they all need Upgrading I think the biggest part of it is the the console in Montpellier is I think they said the 25 years old 20 years old which is in radio life. That's ancient So that's mainly where all that stuff's going. This is just the I mean there's 26 towns And I also think I'm pretty sure I have a copy of the presentation So I'll file from the meeting and I'll reset that to the board Just to have the information to refresh you Refresh what it was was given Because it does show the other towns and the cost of how we compare and such as well in that I just don't want us to be seen as us trying to micromanage the fire department or anything like that They're the ones that run so they brought it to the boat And it was Joseph Allsworth that did the presentation Good try very much so Any other discussion on this all those All those in favor Sign on behalf or as the board comes signed Oh, you can sign Let's you get away with everything All those uh favor, uh Okay, so we're all set there Municipal ticketing Yes, so that's something that's been kicked around for a while that we've talked about I dug into it a little deeper No research and I've got a big stack in there if anybody cares to read it about the whole process with the state and how it works Um, the questions that came up in the past where you know, do we have tickets? Is it in our zoning? Um If nobody knew the answers to those So again, I dug into it. It is in our zoning And we do have tickets and the tickets belong to the police. They've changed the ticketing system It's it's a multi-use ticket that they have Um, and the people that fill it out have to be authorized to do that for the The civil stuff in here. Um, and they are so if we wanted to start tomorrow basically, um Issuing municipal tickets. We need all the requirements to be able to do that Um, what we don't Meet is the knowledge to be quite honest um What for me the next steps If the board wants to move in this direction would be to get Tom the zoning administrator and the chief to sit down and talk about Uh, the process of how we're going to manage this because we just gave the senate police officer right up at He doesn't know the requirements and stuff. So how do we how do we get that information? To them in the proper manner to have them be able to do that Right, um, that's that's the question. It's good because again, we do have the tickets This is in your package and we do have you know, all the requirements in the in the zoning That they're referred to as well. And again, this is just The law as it says in a nutshell on on how it needs to be done and we can do that The the fees are even in the enforcement procedure in Arizona regulations as well the fees are there So Really for What we're looking for what I'm looking for from the board tonight is do we want to proceed to put this in place? Should I sit with the chief talk to him about it talk with him and tom about it to come up with How we're going to apply this Right, it's going to be more work for the police as well or the other option to that is we can We can appoint the board being the we being the board can appoint Someone else to also be authorized to do this and we have to register over the state just like the police Have to register to do those take do those tickets. So that is an option that is out there Either way that we go Still need to Train somebody right so if if we're going to have somebody else do the tickets for example, tom zoning officer If we're going to have him do the tickets He's got to learn from the police There's going to be some cross training there on how to do the tickets because he'll have the zoning information If we go with the police, they're going to have to do some cross training with tom to understand the zoning regulations And how to fill out the tickets for that as well Boy this form looks very familiar That's beside the point Has tom been approached about this what his feelings are that's exactly my question in both regards tom has been approached about Municipal tickets. He thinks it's time for us to move forward. He doesn't want to write it. Okay um, I seem to remember I was off the board at the time But when chief wolf was still around That he approached the board about this very issue Do you remember mr. Chair why that wasn't My my understanding at the time was that may have been before the regulations zoning regulations were updated Because they were updated. I think in twenty-two 2019 And amended by the board in twenty-two and they didn't No requirements were not meant to be able to do that Prior to this provision this last revision of the zoning regulations I'm in favor of this, but I would recommend that the police issue the tickets With the training and the knowledge or the cross reference with tom Yeah, that's how I remember the discussion was with chief wolf that The police department would issue the You know the ticket And if it went to a hearing, you know, they would call the zoning administrator as a witness Um, and I think that's probably the way to go And I will make that motion. I think that's the conducive way to go about it. Mm-hmm It's a lot Uh, it was the motion. I don't know. Um, that we proceed with the Um Utilization of the vcvc form for zoning Valations, um issued by the police department Utilizing Expertise of the zoning administrator Wouldn't want to be taken in the Motion there when you want to take and have it for all of Municipal infractions. Well, that sounds even better, mr. Chair And I second that on the municipal ticketing decision. I I can't make a motion Somebody else has to Okay So moved second Any other discussion on this The only thing I would say about this is Vince and I had talked some and about hiring a Jack of all trades do the lawnmowing maintenance And I'm wondering if we can get enough work together To hire another employee to take this off of the police department It'll be something I'll have to look into we can't do it anytime soon Well, I guess my question is how much Um activity to expect from this Right now there's probably There's at least three Areas that could be inspected and looked into Right now that we believe at least three that we know We see my thing would be is that if you have somebody who can do multiple multiple things everything from mulling lawns to You know sweeping the yard or whatever If you have them trained To be able to do this At least then you have the possibility they'll move into the police department If there's an opening and you can hire somebody else who was I mean, this is definitely an entry entry level job At least the lawnmowing is part of it But if we can take it get somebody who would be willing to We also we also talked about that individual being a shared labor force between the highway and the public works group Now certainly in the summer that personal have More than enough plenty of work to do just between public works and and highway Crew labor work winter Obviously the public works side will probably slow down a little bit But the the thought was that they could Shovel Shovel bridge Back up on the on the plowing as well. You can do the pickup plowing, you know up to water worksway And those type of things in the winter That was the thought behind it had Given a lot of thought into this but I guess what I'll try to do If the if the board wants to move forward with this just as a backup I'll I'll try to get a summary of hours and what that would look like for another employee But in the meantime, I'll work with tom and the chief to figure out How to best apply it not overload the police as well I'm in favor of the concept Sorry, I'm in favor of the concept of another employee to do the yard work the mowing cleaning errands that type of work But I'm more inclined for the Municipal ticketing to be through the police department. I think it should be separate of that But I think the position in the concept is a good one for all of the other Other areas I would be more concerned about the additional workload on the zoning administrator As it'd be up to him to Gather and document all the evidence and be prepared to present it If the officer itself will You know just really be just filling out this form and and serving it and yeah, and some departments Do it computerized And that brings up a good question if the police are serving serving the ticket Would they actually be the one that would be to go and testify as opposed to tom That's my impression I believe so too But tom would do much of the background the research the investigative you'd have to make sure of the the right sections of the zoning violation Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. All those in favor Motion carries Apple funds update There's a one-pager in the document that diana prepared that we have reviewed Um, it tells you the amount that's been paid to date and what's still obligated under future And then the balance down at the bottom so based on what we spent and what we have Obligated there are still a hundred and ten thousand dollars In funds And when does that have to be obligated? December of 24 that has to be obligated So a year and a half from now and I got to double check that I saw notice come out the other day and made I don't believe it it has to be spent by them But it may maybe but I'm pretty sure it's obligated, but I will double check that and make sure We always the only thing I worry about is if we hold if we hold the balance I can tell you there's one item missing on the list Um That diana did not oh no, she's got it. There it is down at the bottom. Okay, so it's in there. Okay, so we're good You know the I worry about it is the congress for some unknown reason changes the rules and shortens the period Yeah, and along those lines. What is the date obligated by december 2024? What is the date for spending the funds? Uh, it has to be spent I believe by the end of the following year. So by the end of 2025 Just to make sure I don't the other thing just to throw out there. We're talking about the funds and the use thereof um at the next meeting There's going to be an update on the amount of grant work that that top has been working on um, and and a complete list of A very long list of of projects that are accounted for dollar-wise what we've gone after for grants and what what is 100 percent and what we would also have to pay 20 percent on and Based on the numbers Most of this could be consumed as a payment towards some of those grants Our participation there's about and this isn't all the projects yet If my memory is correct a little over six million dollars worth of work Have there been recent approvals of grants as well? Uh, there's not approvals, but um, acceptance acknowledgement of the applications and and such great and a lot of conversations Going into details great So tom is trying to make a 110,000 into six million Not really We're trying to make some money into six million. Yes, okay as close as we can get anyway in grants So anything else on this vince? No, again, it was just an update. If you if you look at that and have any questions after just send any email and give me a call I'll give you some answers. Thank you vince and thank you to diane too Okay, uh proposal for phase one environment. So we have kool-ass trail right, so we've got uh I think it's a seven acre parcel That would cause trail of town property That we don't know what we're going to do with yet. Um, there's potential out there Like we just talked about there's a lot a whole long laundry list of projects and things as the town grows and develops that we're looking at That's a a decent piece of property up here and uh So it's it's 4500 dollars to do this initial Survey to see if there's any issues with that property Um, so at some point down the road should the board decide that's a great place for something. Um We're a little ahead of the aplomb If we look forward with this We've got this done now While we still have some funds If approved how soon could they do it vince? Uh, I don't recall seeing the date that they could start Um, so the proposal's good for like 45 days. So I would You know make an assumption that it's probably uh Probably be late fall with the way scheduling is it really is But I could check as well How does this relate to the work that the economic development Committee is doing? I know they're looking at Overall needs space needs for the town Moving forward this kind of dovetails in with that because they know about the property But we don't know if we could do anything with it or what the cost would be to do with it This would be the first step to determine You know what we can do with that property if it's going to be if if there's heaven forbid Contaminated soil down there or whatever that changes the cost of having to Do something down there or what we may be able to do with that Where if it comes back clean and it's good and ready to go It's a lot less costly to move forward with that. So kind of dovetails with its information I can feed into the economic development to say, you know, we've got, you know, seven acres down here That's that's clean and ready to do something with as well to consider Take some of them, you know, maybe we can maybe we can't out of it. I'm just a little bit concerned. This is a fairly simple amount of money for An unknown Potentially I guess I would move that we table this discussion for until our next meeting to let the other two Board members of chance to weigh in I agree Really tired of it on this I've got uh, I think it's 35 30 days. Okay 45 days 45 days to get it back. So Okay, that's All over favorite tabling I Okay table that um Town and picnic policy So I I sent this out to you. I uh, I made the changes that were recommended and that we had talked about Sent it back out. I don't know if you've got a chance to look at it Again or not I think there's any more comments if you like it as is if there's More things that we have to figure out or have questions on Including the Chance comments are incorporated in this provision as well But I don't have any uh feedback from him on this this revision yet Do we have an identified properties right now that would need to be cleaned up how many To that I do that I know. Okay Uh, there may be more and again, I can I can find out please there may be more but I I well, there's actually probably more but some of them are in use now again as well Just to that. I know that they are probably not in use Okay, so this is um Something we need to get on fairly sooner sooner than later um Does there have been any word from case department? Um Um With the changes to the motel program any additional There's that so I'm not as high as expected. Okay See what they've seen. Okay. I know one business had somebody sleeping on their property Friday night along 302 So if that's related to it or not I'm still concerned with the section of removing the encampment and bringing it back to the town office building to be stored for 30 days I understand the importance of giving individuals time to Pick up their items if they still wish But I'm concerned about spacing and ability to Store that here at the town office and I'm open to discussion about that further Yeah, I'm I'm a criminal. I don't like the idea of us getting into the Business of storage business. I'm just concerned about There are constitutional protections about government taking personal property and I you know And this is potentially everything that these people own um, I'm I just I'm leery about that. I I I don't want us to do it But yet I'm not I'm leery that we have actually have the authority to do that to dispose of it immediately The best best we can do for storage is Probably one of the containers that we have sitting out there. We could probably the best we could offer for that If we if we go that route I also note the verbiage on page 12 with 13 says disposal may also include donation of the items Right, and I would just question, you know, all of that particular portion if that meets with um Proper legality. Well, and that one in particular though If you if you back up to page 11 that that isn't at that point It's determined unclaimed property because the town's held it for 30 days. So then it becomes unclaimed Um, I do like five five section five part b Um, giving authority to the police chief fire chief or town health officer May order the immediate disposal of any item removed that is illegal or represents a risk to public safety I think that that is a good inclusion in the policy Do you have a copy of this Washington County survival guide? Do you have electronic? I have a hard copy and I also have provided 10 laminated copies to the police Okay of that. So we have it in hand and we have the ability to laminate more as needed now How Thick how big is it? It's uh, it's a eight and a half by 11 double-sided I wouldn't mind having a copy of just uh, yeah, I've got one on my desk just to uh Make myself aware of it. Yep I also didn't see it in the policy But if we are going to bring it here and store it for the 30 days It might be wise to have some type of an accounting Of what the items are Etc. Well, they'll have to be a log of exactly from and and then what's there and so on for sure. Yes Yeah, I think that was one of my comments wasn't it? You know, I think the initial thought was pretty good in their evidence room, but that's that's a non-starter for them They don't have to roam it too. That's not a place for it to be right Do you have any idea or have you heard of it anybody saying what the item you be? I'm just wondering about If there's any perishables Again, I don't uh, I'm not even sure we see a case. We've seen a case where we would be doing this at this point Right most of the time Police have a pretty good relationship with these people. They ask them to move on They grab their stuff and they move on What we do see is When when they leave an encampment It's always just the trash that's left behind right the torn tarps the needles You know that just the nasty stuff that's left behind that needs to be cleaned up I don't think I've ever Discussed anything with the with the police yet of any abandoned property that's Many value the tents the sleeping bags and those type of things You know the lanterns the the propane stuff that all goes away With them they they find a way to get it And move it again. They're maybe at some point But uh, I'm not aware of a situation like that. Yeah where they would want to take the stuff And we're looking at Herman contractors to the physical cleanup. Well, that's what we talked about at the at the last meeting Right with potentially that would be you know, somebody that's familiar with hazardous material cleanup Or you know town's gonna do it should we do For a lucky employee, he's gonna have to be trained and how to handle hazmat material because You know every site that they've told me about has needles and and Nasty stuff blood one path. Yeah Yeah My question along those lines is if it got to that point as opposed to hiring a contractor in in that respect If it got to that point as described just now Could we or would we reach out for assistance from the state and hazardous in their hazardous expertise Even though we realize that it's our town and our responsibility in that in The ultimate They have the expertise personal feeling on that from Previous conversations With the state early on regarding this unless it's on state property Not a chance And I think it would be at best limited to consultation And advice Not actual I think that would be very beneficial because of the expertise that they have It might be Might be worthwhile to have that conversation again to see what could be done if anything The else on this and I'm not even I haven't even began to explore A contractor yet to see if there's even anybody out there That's willing to be qualified I'd be inclined more down the road For that if it was needed To go forward with whatever we determine is necessary as far as a necessity for cleanup on the quarter As you had it from Right, I know which one Any taking their dog down there and such that Of concern The else on this Excellent, okay Um, approval licenses permit vouchers and applications I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 23-26 for payroll from june 4th to june 17th 2023 Paid on june 21st of this year in the amount of 65,978 and 25 cents Payable warrant 23 g 23 with checks 23045 to 23082 for payables in the amount of 182,953 dollars and 98 cents Second Any discussion on this? Hearing none all those in favor high motion carries um Approval of june 6th 2023 minutes I haven't had a chance to read them in their entirety. Have you toured? Uh, I did. I don't have any problems with that. Okay, excellent I moved to approve the june 5th 2023 minutes as uh presented excellent and I'll go ahead and second those Any discussion all those in favor high high motion carries Round table floor nothing this evening. Thank you tour. Uh, nothing, sir I don't have anything to say, Mr. Chair. Uh, any executive session expected? No, sir Motion to adjourn I make the motion to adjourn tonight's regularly scheduled select board meeting All those in favor high We are adjourned