Growing up in the 80s, Saturday mornings were the time for the greatest cartoons ever created, stuff like He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Dino Riders, Thundercats, and one of the finest cartoons was the Transformers. It was Autobots vs the Decepticons, and Optimus Prime was one of the coolest ones, transforming from a truck to the badass Autobot leader, there was almost no topping Prime. Optimus Prime and the Transformers began as the 1980 Japanese toyline Diaclone. A collection of nameless robots able to transform into everyday cars, trucks, planes and weapons. The series of toys were created by Onokodjin and created by Takara toys as an extension for their Microman toyline. After using the Microman toyline to create the very successful GI Joe line, Hasbro saw the potential of the Diaclone toys and partnered with Takara to rebrand the toyline as the Transformers. For the character names and bios, Hasbro worked with Marvel Comics writers Jim Shooter and Dennis O'Neill to create the characters and their names, and Bob Bedansky to create the backstory. O'Neill is credited with giving Prime his actual name. While the Marvel comic book storyline gave a backstory on how the Transformers found their way to Earth after the war on Cybertron with the Decepticons, Optimus was just known as the brave Autobot leader. That was until Season 2 of the Transformers animated series gave him an origin. In this origin, Optimus Prime began as a robot named Orion Pax, a weak and small dock worker that before the Battle of Cybertron idolized a new breed of robots that could fly, known only as the Decepticons. He believed that he was doing a good deed working alongside Megatron, until Megatron, the leader of the Decepticons and his forces attacked Orion in order to steal Energon. Badly wounded, Orion Pax was taken to the ancient Autobot Alpha Triumph, who used him as the first subject for the new Reconstruction process, a process that is very akin to the Super Soldier Serum from Captain America. This Reconstruction process rebuilt the frail Autobot into a more battle-hardened configuration. With his new body, Orion Pax became Optimus Prime, the first of the Autobot warriors. With his new courageous and confident personality, Optimus Prime took the mantle as the leader of the Autobots. The first two seasons of the Transformers was all about the battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons, but as the show continued, sales for the toys dwindled. Seeing that Optimus Prime's popularity was falling, Hasbro funded an animated movie with Marvel and Sumbo, which would introduce all new Transformers and would see the death of Optimus Prime. The character of Optimus was created primarily to sell toys, but what Hasbro didn't realize that for fans, Optimus Prime had become a symbol for bravery, a loyal leader who strived for peace amongst the world. He not only inspired his Autobots, but he also inspired a generation of children. Killing him off was seen as a betrayal against the fans of the series. One shall stand, one shall fall. The studio received endless hate mail and death threats from fans and parents. The backlash resulted in a quick return of the character at the end of the following season. I've done it. Optimus Prime lives. Our leader is back. Yes, Garlings. And now no force in the universe will stop me. But the fans didn't return to the series, and the show was cancelled three episodes later. Optimus Prime has seen many forms over the years, from countless animated TV shows to live action movies and action figures, however, while his look might differ from year to year, his basic outline has always remained the same. The brave, battle-hardened leader of the Autobots remains the most loved and iconic character from the Transformers universe.


Today we're going to talk about Joe Biden, the most popularly elected president in United States history, who can't seem to get anybody to like his YouTube videos. Hey, everybody, Dylan Schumacher, Citadel Defense. So last night, the president gave his state of the union for his first 100 days in office, and he said this. I don't want to become confrontation, but we need more Senate Republicans to join the overall majority of Democrat colleagues and close the loopholes required in background check purchases of guns. We need a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and don't tell me it can't be done. We did it before, and it worked. Talk to the most responsible gun owners and hunters. They'll tell you there's no possible justification for having 100 rounds in a weapon. What do you think, dear wearing Kevlar vests? Now there is quite a bit there to unpack in 30 seconds of audio, so I made a list. The first thing he says is I don't want to be confrontational, and then goes on to make one of the most controversial statements in the nation, which I just thought was ironic. Then he talks about he wants to close the loophole. Now you got to be careful here because he's going to conflate a lot of different terms to try to get you to believe what he believes. Now the next thing he says here is he wants to close the loophole. What he's talking about there is the ability for private citizens to sell their private property, in this case firearms, to other private citizens without a background check. He's saying we need to close that loophole. I would argue that is not a loophole, rather it is just allowing private citizens to do with their property what they will.  Then he goes on of course to call for the ban of assault weapons. What are assault weapons? Well, you know, who really knows. Basically the scary guns, right, is what he really wants to talk about. The big AR-15s and AKs and the scary guns. Those are what he's going to call assault weapons. And bam, high capacity magazines. Now, we're going to come back to that because what exactly does he mean by high capacity magazines? He goes on to say, we did it before and it worked. First of all, it didn't work. Yes, they did do it before. Between 1994 and 2004, there was a 10-year assault weapons ban in this country that sunsetted in 2004. And since then, gun culture is a very, very different place. There are over 100 million gun owners in America. There are probably somewhere over 400 million guns, give or take. That's a third of the country. At the minimum owns a gun of some sort or another, right? So gun culture is a lot, lot bigger. So he's like, we can get it done. Yeah, maybe. And when he says that it worked, what they'll do is they'll show you this fancy chart and they'll show you this chart that says, hey, between, you know, when the assault weapons ban was in place, crime went like this. It went down, right? What they won't then show you is the other half of the chart where crime continues to go down after the assault weapons ban is lifted. So don't tell me that it worked. The very first school shooting that I remember in my life was Columbine. Columbine happened in the middle of the assault weapons ban. So again, don't tell me that it worked because what kind of weapons did they use that school shooting? Oh yeah, the banned ones. So go on to say, next thing he talks about is most responsible gun owners and hunters. Now, there's a couple of things here. First of all, the Democrats left, they're always going to say most. And most people agree with me. 95% of people agree that we need background checks. Most gun owners agree. What they're trying to do, one, they're lying. Two, what they're trying to do is get you to believe the lie that most people agree with them. Oh, most people agree with me. So if you don't agree with me, there's something wrong with you. That's the kind of very subtle bullying and cajoling that they're trying to accomplish there when they say things like, most gun owners and hunters agree with me. And like I said, no, most gun owners don't agree with you. Most gun owners belong to some organization like the NRA or the Firearms Policy Coalition or the Gun Owners of America or whatever that's saying, no, we don't want any of the things that you're proposing. The vast majority of gun owners do not agree with you. But you know that and that's why you have to lie to try to convince us to agree with you. He's gonna go on to conflate gun owners and hunters. He's gonna say, most gun owners and hunters, he's conflating them like they're one thing because what he wants to get you to believe is that the only legitimate reason, the only legitimate purpose for owning guns is hunting. He just wants you to think all Americans that own guns own them for hunting. That's why they own guns. That's the thing they've been pushing for a long time in this country. But the fact is the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general has nothing to do with hunting. That's not why the Second Amendment was created at all. It was created to defend this nation from tyrants, foreign and domestic, right? So that's why we have guns. Guns are primarily here for a martial purpose. They are not here for a hunting purpose. Yes, that's a secondary tertiary use of firearms and that's fine if you wanna hunt, knock yourself out, God bless it. But that's not the point. That's not the point of why we own guns. That's not the point of the Second Amendment. But he wants to conflate that and he's gonna try to whittle it down to that because then it gives him room to say what he says next which is just outrageous. That's why he'll go on to say there's no possible justification. Well, yes, there is a justification but we're gonna get to that in a second. There's no possible justification for owning 100 rounds in a rifle because you're only using that rifle for hunting. That's the argument he's making, which isn't true. But he's saying, oh, if you're gonna hunt, you don't need 100 rounds. What does anybody need 100 rounds for? We need to get rid of those. That's the other interesting thing here is when he talks about his ban on high capacity magazines, the example that he then references is 100 round magazine, which do exist for like ARs and some AKs. As far as I know, they don't even function that well. But he's saying, okay, no one needs 100 rounds to go hunting. But what he's saying when he wants to ban high capacity magazines is 10 rounds, anything above 10 rounds. So you don't hear him say, well, no one needs to carry 15 rounds in their pistol like the police officers do, right? If police are willing to give up their high capacity magazines in their pistols, then maybe we can talk. But he's standing in a building guarded by people with high capacity magazines that he doesn't think you and I should be allowed to own.  But that's not the example he uses. See, he bates you with 100 rounds. He says, oh, it's gonna be 100 rounds, we gotta get rid of that. But then when the ban actually comes, it's just over 10 rounds. So he's lying, he's manipulating, and he's purposely trying to confuse you and conflate issues so that you say, oh, well, that sounds reasonable. Guns are about hunting, so we don't need 100 rounds to hunt deer and deer aren't wearing body armor, so I guess it's okay. The other thing about that body armor comment, rifle rounds punched through Kevlar, Joe Biden.  However, a deer wearing Kevlar vests would have nothing to do with it. A 30 at six round would still punch right through that.  It really is impressive. You really just got a marvel at it. Do brave deeds and endure.


Whether surgical or non-surgical treatment is better for individuals with completely displaced mid-shaft clavicle fractures is controversial. There is particularly little evidence for adolescents, despite the fact that they're the most commonly affected population. According to a new study, surgery is not superior to non-operative treatment for restoring function and preventing complications in this patient group, and may instead pose greater risks for this young population. The findings are published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine. In completely displaced mid-shaft clavicle fractures, also called displaced diafacial fractures, the clavicle breaks near the midpoint, and the broken ends shift out of alignment. While immobilization with a simple shoulder sling is the traditional mode of treatment, surgical treatment has become more common. However, it's unclear whether findings on outcomes in adults can be translated to adolescent patients, whose clavicles are still growing and may heal differently. In the new study, researchers screened adolescents at eight pediatric centers who underwent either surgery or non-surgical treatment for completely displaced mid-shaft clavicle fractures. Radiographic and clinical data, complications, and patient-reported outcomes were recorded for two years. Overall, data were obtained from 282 patients. There was no difference in sex or athletic participation between the surgical and non-surgical groups, but the patients in the surgical group tended to be older, and they had a greater incidence of communuted fractures and greater fracture shortening. The patient-reported outcomes at two years did not differ between the groups. However, patients who underwent surgical treatment had more significant complications and unexpected subsequent surgeries, most commonly removal of clavicle implants. The rates of non-union, delayed union, symptomatic malunion, and refraction were very low for both groups and didn't differ between the groups. Notably, while most patients were followed through the period of fracture healing and returned to sports, six-month and one-year follow-up data were not consistently collected. Two-year follow-up rates were lower than expected, although functional outcomes were collected in over two-thirds of patients with no detected differences between patients who did and patients who did not complete surveys. Some functional outcomes may have been missed because of the relatively short study duration. In addition, despite statistical adjustment for confounding factors in the analysis, the bias toward older patients and more severe fractures in the surgical group may have skewed the results. Finally, the treatment methods were not standardized across patients. Despite these limitations, the study provides evidence that surgical treatment does not promote better outcomes than non-surgical treatment in adolescents with completely displaced mid-shaft clavicle fractures. Rather, it may introduce more risk. Non-surgical treatment produces comparable functional outcomes in these patients while reducing the risk of complications and subsequent unexpected surgeries.


control efforts there's no herbicide used and the best way to do mechanical control is during when your population is really small and the plants are young so you can pull them out of the ground and it's really easy to do that so it's a really effective way you can get 100 control with that method the cons of this mechanical control treatment most of the time are you increase disturbance which means more invasive plants will germinate in the soil access is very dependent you need to revisit that site over and over throughout the growing season to continue to cut those plants down it's not a long-term strategy of a treatment on its own most of the time it tends to be very expensive it's non-discriminate so any native plants that are there right now are going to get mulched or treated the same way as the invasives which isn't a great thing if you're trying to out-compete invasive plants with native plants which is another prong of that integrated pest management control method that we all use and when you cut plants it changes the hormone so you have the potential if you don't come back and treat those again you have the potential for more stems more flowers which means more seeds which in the end means more invasive plants so the additional thing in this case in particular would be that it would make supplemental planning is difficult to avoid so if we put plantings in there and then expected to do mechanical control over a long period of time it would be very difficult to do that chemical control tends to be inexpensive it's low impact low disturbance so there's no soil turn turnover you preserve your native plant populations because your invasive control with chemicals is very targeted you generally do one treatment a year it's 90 to 95 percent effective in that first year and subsequent years after that is also you can get it up to a high percentage rate like that it can be done in really difficult to access locations because it's just done with a person and healthy plants are easier to kill than damaged plants that would happen after mechanical control the cons are you have to have a license a really good knowledge of invasive native plant biology and there's a generally a negative public opinion about this some of the methods for chemical control are foliar the fun fun named one bloody glove backpacks hydro sprayer cut stump basil bark and stem injection so we generally think about herbicides roundup is the most common one that you buy off the shelf a tractor supply those are premixed with surfactants that aren't made for wetlands so in my ism p i i recommended using a wetland approved herbicide for a bunch of different reasons because it's mixed with a non ionic surfactant which means it's water soluble so it doesn't affect amphibians that may be living on the site and our bad ideas about roundup usually come from industrial farming where it's applied over and over repeatedly throughout a season there's poor soil quality there and eventually it runs off into your waterways the wetland approved glyphosate product is mixed with a non ionic surfactant there's no soil activity so native seeds continue to be able to germinate in future seasons the application method is really specific to those plants based on surface area which I'll talk about in a minute the LD 50 is very high which is good because you want a higher LD 50 which means it's less toxic and so there's a little inset there showing the LD 50 of glyphosate versus table salt and nicotine for example glyphosate has a 40 day half life which is very short in terms of herbicides it quickly binds to soil there's no percolation into the water table it's broken down readily by sunlight bacteria and fungi and the pathway that plants have humans don't have so plants create their own amino acids we get our amino acids from eating plants or animals that have eaten plants this is just this is public information you can go on to your Massachusetts website and get this this is actually from Vermont this just shows categories of licenses and the number of different herbicides pesticides fungicides that are sprayed per category so you can notice forestry has set in there golf courses have an insane list and then lawn care and ornamentals also have a large list there and this is just in terms of total pounds of active ingredient forestry very low which is the license that would be needed for a restoration project like this golf courses is up into the 45 000 pounds of active ingredient and lawn care is somewhere down in like the thousand range and the number of pesticides you can see here goes up with these similar to that table I showed you chemical application methods I break them down to three groups high volume moderate volume low volume and the applicable methods that they're applied with are described there so your maximum herbicide is a hundred percent concentration that would be not cutting your solution at all and that is in stem injection which is used for not weed a lot of the time but you go over your allowable rate per acre very quickly that way so a hydro sprayer or mist floors which is categorized as a high volume treatment you hit much more of the surface area of the plant and so you can use a much lower rate of herbicide at a one or two percent and so this is like the ounces per gallon based on application method and you can see that this ounce per gallon for one or two percent is 2.56 ounces to 128 ounces of water and as you go up into your and you reduce your surface area you have to have more a higher percentage of herbicide to kill the plant this is a basically the cut stump method in a nutshell there's no overspray you're just treating the living part of the cambium on the outside of the tree so this is all dead wood on the inside and it's applied with a buckthorn blaster which is very contained so low impact and this graph here just shows the relationship between surface area so when you do a high volume application you treat both sides of the leaves or the photosynthetic stems with a regular backpack application you're only hitting the top side of the the leaves and then with a stump treatment you're only treating the small part of the cambium so it's very little surface area so you have to have more herbicide inside that buckthorn blaster to actually kill that plant and your acres that you're able to cover over time are reduced because this is so time-intensive to cut all your stems and treat them that way so just quickly some past results this all used to be knotweed in here and it was treated with a high volume application a number of years ago the the landowner sold the house but it was mulched a couple seasons after I had treated it and then they receded it with grass and there's no knotweed in here at the moment so that's that's a success story the next one is this riparian area used to have knotweed all along in here and this was treated about six years ago and there's a few stems coming back but this was also done with a low volume backpack sprayer but long-term control of 90 percent or better in this riparian wet zone and the last one is field edges along a farm one of my clients one of my previous clients this all used to be glossy buckthorn we treated this with a high volume high volume foliar application and what you have coming back is swamp buster and jewelweed all native plants there's there's one buckthorn here coming back you can still see it so they're much smaller and easy to treat and the follow-up includes much less chemical the hybrid approach that I just want to touch on real quick is that for this site in particular because of the Japanese knotweed if mechanical control was something that was you know we wanted to look at the Japanese knotweed would need to be treated first because a mechanical control on your knotweed is going to spread it further because they do not spread via seed they spread by cuttings and rhizomes so if we were to go in there and do a mechanical treatment without actually treating the Japanese knotweed first we could potentially be making it worse and mechanical control is going to cause a lot of seed flushing because of the mulching that's going to happen and this can be a positive as long as there's a chemical control treatment planned afterwards if there isn't the invasive population in that area the number of invasive plants in there is going to exponentially increase and so chemical control post-mechanical treatment can actually reduce the amount of herbicide you use because all of your plants all your woody plants that come back that you're going to do a foliar treatment on are going to be the same height and you can do it in less time and use less herbicide to get it get it treated the timing of these this schedule which i'll show you next is very important um so if you change anything in the timetable you have to shift everything i'm just going to interrupt you for a second i don't know how many slides you have left but i'm assuming we're going to review this and you're going to give some part of this presentation at our next meeting also okay seems like you're being really thorough right now so yeah yeah i mean i'm interested time and i want to get to anybody that's been here so i don't want to get um too involved in this if you're going to give the same presentation at the next meeting so um there's like three slides left okay uh and the two of them are these tables which are in the ismp but it would be helpful for me just to describe how i set them up because they could be seen as complicated if you don't take a look at it first so these these yellow blocks are your um treatment months now if you this is the chemical control method um down here you'll see it changes to orange where this is considered season two of the treatment now that can be done at the end here so yellow is still your season one if it was done during november and december if you don't do that you have to wait until this time of year to do it and the same for the mechanical control option there's also another timetable here um and i've included you know multiple years of monitoring follow-up treatments um and some options for like creating wildlife piles and smothering with wood chips from these trees that would be cutting down on site like the norway maples and the um tree heaven yeah so um again i'm going to stay in the interest of time the commission hasn't reviewed this i'm going to ask the commission to hold off on their questions and allow me to go straight to comments and questions from anyone attending tonight's hearing can you take down the screen thank you uh uh is anyone here that attended tonight's meeting have a question uh and it would have to be sort of civically about um a third-party review on habitat uh habitat evaluation in the third part of review report and the reports that you've heard here tonight just go to the uh reactions button and use the range raise hand function oh seeing none i am going to turn back to the commission we got through that uh report we have a few minutes it's it's 10 minutes past uh seven minutes past 10 and if there's any questions this can come up now or again because we've had a couple of things that we need to review management the invasive management and there's a new plan coming in from bsc we'll be talking about this habitat valuation at our next meeting also susan chapnik has her hand up yeah thank you chuck just very briefly i really appreciate tom your your review um i will just point out um that this commission is very adverse to using herbicides and when we do approve them we tend to approve the very onerous methods of um bloody glove and stump and things like that and we're we're very hesitant to approve foliar applications at least we haven't near um our larger aquatic resources like spy pond and the reservoir um that said we've looked also looked for substitutes for glyphosate i know you've had several listed there so i just want to throw that out because we're not going to discuss this now we didn't get to read your whole plan yet but these are considerations so for next time for continuation that we'll probably have more in-depth questions or concerns about sure thank you any other questions comments emotions from the conservation commission and um we're going to do a motion i'd like to hear from the applicant that they're giving us permission to continue this to the next meeting that would be i i would make a motion but we'd like to get the applicants consent we anticipated that you would need to continue to review all that material thank you yes i'll make a motion to continue this hearing to our march 21st meeting in a second second okay um susan chapnick yes david why sorry david why he's not uh recused himself david taplin yes mike gildes game yes nathaniel sievens yes chuck taroni says yes oh brian mcbride i don't know brian are you there i don't think he's on any longer i'm assuming the participant okay we have enough for a quorum um this has been continued to uh march 21st and uh i appreciate that and you know our submittal deadline for supplemental material uh we have for the distribution for the conservation commission would be in effect for this next uh packet with the plans and the updated management plan it's the 13th 13th at noon yeah noon yeah okay and with that um from the commission can i uh we're done with our agenda just to uh go over that again and could i get a motion to uh adjourn move to adjourn second susan chapnick yes i don't think david white joined back in so uh david kaplan um just just wrote a guide to step out for a second did we already vote to continue 88 um foolish yeah we did we did all right so i missed that yes not big deal i sure for it okay vote to adjourn so david kaplan yes uh mike gildes game yes nathaniel sievens yes chuck taroni says yes okay thank you everyone that attended tonight thank you for the commission thanks very much we'll see you all get you honey in there good night good night everyone


Welcome to documentation office hours it's the 14th of April 2022. Thanks for being here. So today's agenda topics. I don't have anything on news but we could list news and then crowded enterprises my single big topic, and hope we could have Alex coaches through the process. Any other topics we need to put on the agenda for today. Okay, then let's go ahead. So I guess one item of news the, there's a proposal to delay LTS selection, LTS baseline selection and release by two weeks. It's being discussed in the developer list, or no in the UX sig list and mentioned in the developer list. Thanks in advance to you Alex for your, your help on getting us ready to do a good LTS for this, this upcoming LTS baseline. All right, crowd in enterprise. So I received email from them hang on I've got to show the email just to be sure that that I'm doing the right thing Alex so where is it. Yes, here it says okay, it says, thanks for asking for a free open source line license. I encourage you to create your translation project and upload files that should be localized. Let us know when it's approved created so we can approve your request. Okay Alex what do I do. I would start with clicking the link they sent you. Okay, good. So it's been like two years that I set up the instance for my project so I hope I remember everything correctly. Well, and, and I am confident you will, you will have forgotten more than I know, therefore we'll take will take your condition. Alright, so here we are. I should probably make it big enough to read. Can you read that. Actually, in fact, that is the regular crowd and instance that does not call the enterprise. Oh, okay, so and we need crowd in enterprise. Yeah, definitely. Okay, I mean we don't need it but that's basically what we have been talking about the past three or four weeks. Okay, so should I then just reply to them saying hey we want to use crowd in enterprise, because it's got the features we need for a project the size of Jenkins. Let me open it myself for you quick and current enterprise. Open source. Yeah, because basically on the current there's current enterprise and the regular crowd at the current enterprise is an entire own website, for example. So, yeah, be quite a different process. Yeah, if you don't mind I would share my screen real quick because I have just opened it in the meantime. Absolutely. Okay, so let's see yours. Okay, so this is this one. Yeah, because, yeah, because that is basically how you request an open source license for crowd and I don't think this is what they sent you. Actually, this, this is the form that I completed. And I definitely did complete this one. Next to is worried about item number four here. You do not have any commercial projects products related because cloud B cells and red hat and several others actually sell commercial products that use Jenkins, but they said no that was not a problem so this is definitely the page I submitted. Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe we are missing out step one here you have created a translation project and crowd. Oh, okay. All right, good. So what we need to do is create the project and then they'll promote us to enterprise. Maybe yeah, I think I quite don't remember the process but if they sent you the link and ask you to create a project. I was starting go ahead with that. Okay, all right well so then I'm going to switch back and steal back screen sharing and let's try this again. Okay, so here we are in create project. So Jenkins a project with the same name already exists. Okay. I mean I can call it Jenkins CI. I assume they are case case sensitive case insensitive they are okay so Jenkins CI public project now I don't know who has crowd in calm slash project slash Jenkins. It could actually be unclaimed or not public. Because I can't access it. Ah, right. Okay, good. All right. So, so but this one is a is a valid name for for the Jenkins project so Jenkins CI, then source languages English, if we say target languages. So, top 30. Yeah. And then I can remove some because there are a number of these that I'm confident we don't have any translation in them. I don't know about catalog. Okay, I'm going to guess not let them complain to me. See. It doesn't matter much whether we select them or not. This is just the initial setup. They might need to know who we are. All right. Okay, good. So then let's let's go ahead and not aware of anyone translating in Vietnamese. Okay, so just to create project. Yeah. Okay. Okay, your trial expires in 14 days. Add files for so so now what's my next step. Would you mind clicking on the settings tab please settings there right here. Okay. Yeah, and scroll a bit down a bit more. I'm actually looking for something that says that we are using current enterprise here all that they are. Oh, I see. Okay. Well, so shall we look for it. Okay, I don't see anything that says enterprise. Do you mind reopening the email for me very quick. Sure. Let's see the email was right here. Okay. A bit above. Please let us know when a project is created so we can approve your request so they basically need a project initially created. And then they can approve it and that then has the chance to grant us. Okay, so at this point, I just reply to them and say we've created it. Yeah, we have created this and would like to have Jenkins.com, for example, I will do that. Okay. I've created the project at there. Oops. And we would like to use crowd in enterprise for the Jenkins project. Okay. Anything else I need to say there. No, I don't think so. The future setup where we someday would like might might choose to have crowd in Jenkins.io. That's something that happens separately that doesn't really need their involvement that's something we change in settings later. Yeah, that is something they create. I mean basically they are sponsoring the license for us and hosting it for us. But we can basically create a CNAME record and point to something else under the Jenkins.io domain. Great. All right, so I've sent that. And we can ignore this. How did you hear about crowd in recommendation. Okay, good. Okay. Yeah, I just looked in my mails in the meantime, basically went through the same process. Okay, so you created your project and then they they approved it and promoted promoted it to use crowd in enterprise. Yeah, I sent them the link to the project on the regular cloud instance, and to me later. They sent me the crowd and enterprise URL back. Great. All right, well, so then that's that's very hopeful we may already get their response within a few minutes of of being here because at least yesterday they were very, very rapid in their responses. Yeah, I don't have the business hours but basically happened across three or two or three days for me so. Okay, even in May 2020. Oh, okay, all right. Waiting for crowd in. Good okay well so so we've made good progress then that's that's great so you okay if we take another topic while we're while while we're waiting for that. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so the Jenkins LTS 2.332.3 change log and upgrade guide. So, Alex has asked in Gitter. Any volunteers to create it mark volunteer the doc sig to create the upgrade guide, or to create a change log and upgrade guide. And as far as I can tell it looks like it's going to be pretty straightforward. Yeah, simple release this time. So, not a lot to write. There are two DRI issues I would like to back part. James opened PR a few hours ago for the CVE somebody filled. I think it was data binding or something. We upgraded. Yeah, Jackson data binding. I think it's going to be merged tomorrow so can like you back for the tomorrow or by next week release can get creation is scheduled for next week Wednesday so have plenty of time to set that up. And basil post that one issue on the mailing list I think something about NPEs in the locking handler for invalid configuration entries or something. If we have a positive feedback that the PR mergers actually addressing the issue I'm going ahead and backpotting this one as well and adding it to the overview of address issues. Great. And so, so this, this format is the perfect format for us because this is what we use to assemble the, the change log so thanks very much for doing that. I see that. Thank you very much also you remove the one or two entries this one, and I think there was one other and you've, you've removed them both because they weren't needed in the packaging right they were already there. Yeah, for some reason, I think it was a forgot, forget to remove the labels on the actual issues because they were included in the dot to release. I have a point here wouldn't make any sense anymore. Got it. Okay, and that may have been me that may miss that one so thank you that thanks for, for detecting that that's, I've got a checklist and sometimes I failed to follow the checklist for those those docs topics. Great. Thank you. Yeah, that's that lightly be the final list. A possible plus one or plus two issues adding apart. It's basically it. Excellent. Thank you very much. So I haven't actually reviewed the changes yet I still got to do that therefore you'll see I am not I've not yet done the check but I, I hope to do that today or tomorrow. And you're okay if this waits to merge until next week or do you are you feeling like you want to get it merged sooner. Yeah, I know. I wouldn't want to go ahead and and merchant until next week. Great. Okay, at least for the confirmation of basal's issue. If that is resolved and backboarded then and James PR isn't even merged yet so basically no rush here. Excellent. Okay. Thank you. All right, and then no, as far as I can tell there's no content. No content for the upgrade guide I didn't see any of those things that needed an upgrade guide and that's that's rather common for a dot three release so. So, thank you. All right. Any other topics. I haven't received a reply from crowd in yet so I fear we may run out of run out of of topics before we we get their response. We can do it next week if that's okay with you basal. Sorry, Alex. I think he's not here at the moment but yeah, I'm fine with that. Okay, great. That'll be recorded to shameful. Okay, great. Alex, thank you very much. If there's nothing else and I think let's call it done for today and we will check back in next week. If I'm if if I'm feeling pressed to get the crowd in work done much much sooner. I may ask you, Alex to have a session with me where we, we recorded separately and just do it sometime early next week depending on their availability. Yeah, let's see when they get back to us. All right. Thanks everybody.


Together, Afghanistan is, as you know, Joe Biden is fulfilling Donald Trump's promise. It's a promise Donald Trump never fulfilled, actually it's a promise that Bush, Obama and Donald Trump didn't fulfill and Biden is fulfilling and, you know, you think the right would be ecstatic about this and compliment Biden for fulfilling a promise made by Donald Trump, one of the promises he didn't fulfill. But of course, that would never happen. And that is to leave Afghanistan, to bring all the troops home from Afghanistan.  I think it's, I'm pro this decision in a context, right? So I want to give you a little bit of history and what I think should have happened, why we have troops there to begin with, what should have been done and given what was done when they should have been brought home. I don't have the exact number of Americans who have died in Afghanistan, but it is, it is, I think, you know, two or three thousand American kids who have died in Afghanistan. And that doesn't count the tens of thousands who've been maimed, who have suffered life-altering injuries, soldiers who've been traumatized by what they've seen in Afghanistan and what they've seen through warfare, the, the months and months and months that soldiers have been out of Afghanistan, away from families, to serve a mission of failure. So while this is not Biden's defeat, although he still has an opportunity to win it, but he won't, this is not Trump's defeat, although he had an opportunity to turn it around and he didn't. It's not Obama's defeat. I mean, it's all of their defeats. It's Bush's, and at some extent it is Obama's and Trump's. But it is a disgrace, it is pathetic that the United States, again, I don't know after how many times, is escaping the battlefield with its tail between its legs, cowered by barbaric insurgents who are militarily much weaker, who have, do not have the capabilities, the capacities that the United States military has, the strongest, mightiest military force in all of human history, and that the United States is coward, terrified, running. Now, this is a war that should have been won after three months, arguably this is an occupation that should have never happened. It was never necessary, but even if it happened, it should have been quick, victory should have been decisive, and the troops should have been brought home 20 years ago. Okay, they only went 20 years ago, 19 years ago. The very idea that American troops have been in Afghanistan for 20 years and have lost, and let's be very clear, they have lost. The mission was to defeat the Taliban, to depose them, to replace them with a democratically elected government, and to sustain that government, to create a sustainable democracy, as we country in quotes in Afghanistan in perpetuity. The United States has lost because it has not achieved any of those aims, the Taliban was never defeated, while we have a democracy in Afghanistan, that democracy will collapse as soon as the United States leaves. The Taliban is about to be victorious, it is already occupied almost half of the country. Most of rule of Afghanistan is in the hands of the Taliban, it has not occupied the cities, but it will, and why did those kids die? What was achieved by the US military, what was achieved by invading Afghanistan? Yes, for 20 years, for 20 years, al-Qaeda did not have a basin of operations in Afghanistan, that is what was achieved. It was not the mission exactly, the mission was far more greater than that, but we all know al-Qaeda will have a military base now in Afghanistan, because the Taliban have been the allies in spite of what Trump and Biden promised us, they signed a peace deal with the Taliban, and the Taliban promised, they really did promise, they swore, they really signed a piece of paper saying that they would never let al-Qaeda back in, and they have the audacity, the audacity to tell us that they believe that, that has any validity, there's any credibility. If the political class in this country was honest, the whole lot of them, right and left were honest, they would apologize, they would grovel before the families of the kids who died for nothing, they would admit that we have been defeated, they would admit that we achieved nothing, and they would apologize for the unnecessary death and destruction that they brought upon American families. And now the mission was not to capture Sambin Laden, the mission was never to capture Sambin Laden, to capture Sambin Laden, it wasn't necessary to invade the country, by the time we invaded the country with significant force of Sambin Laden, it was no longer in Afghanistan, the mission was to change Afghan society, Sambin Laden was in Pakistan from middle of 2021, to be well documented, did we ever penalize Pakistan for hosting bin Laden? No, nobody cares about the mission, that was never the mission, and indeed the mission to capture Sambin Laden was executed by Obama, did Laura give Obama credit for when he did that, and yet we were still in Afghanistan when Biden took office, and Biden's taking us out of Afghanistan because that's what everybody's promised to do and he's fulfilling a promise, he should get credit for that, and I think they should come home, I think they should come. Now my view of what should have been done after 9-11 given the fact that the Taliban would not hand over bin Laden, given the fact that the Taliban was hosting bin Laden, given the fact that the Taliban were the basically were philosophical allies and military allies of bin Laden, that the Taliban should have been wiped out, it should have been wiped out quickly, effectively, thoroughly, unequivocally, bin Laden himself during the first few months after 9-11 was often in the sightings of the Americans and they wouldn't shoot because they were afraid of killing civilians, there's a number of stories during that period of time where they could have killed him and they didn't, they should have gone in there, I don't even think they needed ground troops, they should have gone in there with a full might of the American Air Force, they should have bombed and destroyed and killed as many Taliban politicians, leaders, soldiers, they should have left the place in utter devastation or granted Afghanistan was already devastated, they should have found bin Laden and everybody associated with it, everybody associated with him and killed him, they should have, you remember that they should have destroyed all the camps, they should have gone after the Taliban wherever they were and killed him and they should have done that primarily from the air, they should have taken sides, they shouldn't have tried to bring democracy to Afghanistan, they shouldn't have had massive aid, they shouldn't have, we should have had massive numbers of ground troops, maybe some special forces, they should have devastated anything the Taliban touched and that's it and come home and basically said a very simple message, you attack us again or you facilitate an attack against us again or you host people that attack us again, this is what happens to you, don't do it instead, we've been there for 20 years, hundreds of kids, maybe several thousands, dead and now we run home with the tail between our legs, I mean we have to, there's no, I'm not saying there's any alternative at this point given that we're not willing to fight, given they're not willing to actually defeat the enemy, I mean you still could do, I mean somebody asked me last night, well what would you do in Afghanistan, I said yeah it's easy I would take the next three months and I would flatten anything that seemed like the Taliban, I would kill as many of them as possible, I would bomb them, I would find their leaders, I would kill their leadership completely, political leaders, military leaders, I would kill them, I would destroy them, I would devastate them, all their bases, all their operations, again we have the military capacity to do it and then in one big swoop I bring all the troops on, but then I would bring them home as a victor, not as somebody who's been thoroughly, unequivocally, completely destroyed, that's what I would do, that's what it means to have an America first, found policy, that's what it means to fight a war, that's what it means to win, that's what it means to be an egoist, it means not to tolerate people who want to kill you, not to tolerate people who want to kill you, and in found policy that means somebody comes and goes to war with you, kill them, destroy them, and by the way if you did that, you did that in Afghanistan, the Iranians would suddenly go, whoops, oh no, nuclear weapons, oh we're not interested in that, forget it, we have no interest in it, if you just did it once, people would take notice, they would take notice, they don't want to die, most of them, they don't want to die, alright so I mean, the American military is just, and you could blame Biden or you could blame the generals, I don't know who you want to blame, you could blame all, I think they're all at fault here, they're all pathetic and ridiculous, but just, not only are they leaving Afghanistan the way they're leaving, but it really is tail between the legs, so they evacuated the Balguram Air Force Base, they did in the middle of the night, they didn't even tell their own Afghan troops, because they're afraid the Afghans were in cahoots with the Taliban, so they just evacuated, and the looters came in the next day and looted the air force base, it's, that's how American leaves, it's Saigon, they had last helicopter leaving the roof of Saigon, I give Biden credit, this will be unusual, but I will give him credit for this, that he, that they are evacuating all the translators, so one of the horrible things that the Trump administration did is they would not protect the people who worked with the Americans in Iraq and in Syria, and they didn't guarantee them protection, so when they wouldn't say that if the American troops left, they would basically take them with, it looks like they are going to take about a thousand of these Afghans who worked closely with the American military and provide them with visas to come to the United States, and hopefully ultimately get them here, and get them to safety, get them to safety because it would be, I mean it would be treasonous, it would be just disgusting if we abandoned the people who actually helped us, whether a cause was the right cause or not, so it really, it saddens me to see the American military in such a pathetic state where this is how they're leaving a country, and they've learned nothing from, you know, how they left Beirut, they've learned nothing from how they left, you know, how they left time and time and time again the different battlefields. Anyway, and again, I don't think this is Democrat or Republican, I think they're both epochs in both their houses, they're both awful when it comes to this, completely, completely awful when it comes to this. Neither party wanted to win and then leave, right? And leave, we should have left, we should have left in 2002, we should have arrived, destroyed and left, I don't believe in building up countries, if an enemy has identified crush them and leave. What we need today, what I call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think, meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason, by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, whims, or mystic revelations. Any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of despair, cynicism and impotence, and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist broods. 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So I've been doing videos for over a decade. I have a bunch of them So I get a lot of comments and I appreciate the comments both those that are Just thankful thanking me for my videos and then I also get you know sometimes suggestions And I love suggestions that will improve what I'm doing lots of times I've complained about this in the past where people will Write these comments that don't apply to the video in in some sense So like I'll do a video on how to do something in GIMP and someone the comment will be like You should use inkscape for that Except for the videos on using GIMP. It's how to do it in GIMP if I wanted to do a video on inkscape I'm not saying that you're wrong for using inkscape, but I'm doing a video That's like me doing a video on how to do something in Linux and someone come along to you should do that in Windows No, the video is on this topic. It's not on something else But I just did a video and the comments that I've gotten on it in the first day are are ridiculous I don't want to sound mean but so I've been doing videos on the date command Okay, so that's number one So if someone comes along and says you shouldn't use the date command or you can use this other command That doesn't make sense because the video is on using date commands with this whole little series is on but I posted it the video in a Facebook group and Right away. I got three comments all Suggesting same thing things that work but are not Solving the problem brought up in the video It's like they didn't watch the video at all But they just looked at the code and said, huh, I can do better when they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing So let's have a look at this So the video is called will I work on Christmas and when I posted in Facebook my comment was Date command calculations to figure out which dates Christmas falls on and the very first comment is you mean days Not dates. So my first thought is did I say something dramatically wrong in the video? Then I realized he was talking about my comments on YouTube are on Facebook the post And he's saying that we should find out what days Christmas falls on but that's not what I'm trying to find out in the video I need to find out the dates which might sound a little silly just think Christmas falls on December 25th But I need to find the date in epoch time format So it's a number of seconds so I can do mathematical Equations on it. I don't need to know what day it falls on the day of the week is irrelevant I need to know the date it falls on next comment says why over complicate this We can do this using calc command and some simple Grep and off and then he goes ahead and posts his code which is better than a screenshot But that's what pace been in other websites before you really should be posting code in a comment But his code although it works does not solve our problem. His code is figuring out Does this fall on a weekend or a weekday which is not the goal of video? I need to find out whether it falls on a shift It could be a weekend or a weekday It doesn't matter whether it falls on a Saturday or Sunday and I think this is where people are getting confused They didn't watch the video. They didn't see that this topic is on shift work 24 hours shift work It goes 24 on 48 off talked about that in the video doesn't matter whether it's a weekend or a weekday So although his code works one. I don't think it's any more complicated than my code But it doesn't solve the problem that was brought up in the video So this video this code has nothing to do with the topic of the video not to mention that he's using the calc command Although he's also using the date command in there as well, but that doesn't help us That's not what the topic of the video is on now moving on to the third comment Now he points out and this is a better option for solving what that guy was doing that guy was saying that I over Complicated it he over complicated. This is a much simpler solution He's using saying use the date command with percent you and I'll give you a number zero to seven Where six is Saturday and zero seven is Sunday? So again the second comment is saying I over complicated Well, he way over complicated trying to figure out whether it's Saturday or Sunday a weekday or weekend His way is way more complicated. This third comment is a much better solution If that was what I was trying to figure out. It is not what I was trying to figure out It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't apply and I think that these guys again Look at the title of video. Maybe looked over the code But didn't watch the video because they're all assuming that I'm trying to figure out whether it's a weekday or weekend to see whether I work It doesn't matter whether when you're working a 24 hour 48 shift. It doesn't matter because I will work Saturday I will work every third Saturday every third Sunday every every day. I work three weeks from that date I'm gonna be working that same day So it doesn't matter the day of the week and all these people are suggesting figuring out What day of the week it is so you can figure out whether it's a weekend or weekday and that was not the topic of the video and Although I appreciate comments I would also appreciate people watching the videos before commenting because if they watched the video at all They would have clearly seen that what they're typing does not help. I'm not trying to figure out the day of the week I'm just pointing this out because I get comments like this a lot and Again, I appreciate comments and if someone showed me a way to simplify or shorten or be more efficient with my code That's great, but to post code Tell me that I'm over complicated thing and then so so show a solution that has nothing to do with the topic of the video Is a little silly especially when you've over complicated it as in that second comment but I thank you guys for watching feel free to comment below and I hope that this helps people just think through the process of writing comments and think before you type Because there are people out there who are helpful and will type helpful comments And then there's people who are clearly just trying to spout off and sound like they're superior to the person making the video or posting the comment and you know what? That's a little bit of pridefulness And I'm not again not saying I'm better than these people because they're their codes work and at the end of the day Does your code work? But their code is not working for the problem at hand and when it comes to coding coding is problem-solving So you need to figure out what the problem is and then come up with a solution They came up with solutions, but not to the problem brought up. So thanks for watching films by Chris calm I hope that you have a great day


I welcome everybody to our final issue briefing of the day. Now we've had so many requests for media interviews with the gentleman next to me that we've taken a practical pragmatic route to schedule the media sessions, and Mr Melnsepe is made available for a certain amount of time to answer questions. I think we'll take it as anarchically and free moving and fluidly as it happens. mae'n garfynio angen. Mi'n credu, mynd i am rhai cael eich cyfrinddon, mae'n rai'n sicr o ddweud y tu'r cishol. Mae'r ffordd i gael ar y cael ei trefyn a'r ffordd o'r Cyfrinddon Pwyllgrifedig yn iawn Ielunol. Bydd wedi'u cyfrinddon a'i gweithio fawr i'r handau ond mae'r ffordd i gael ar y cyfrinddon ar eu rai'uiseun. Rwy'r maen i'r rai'n i'r handau. Chorom o'u chyfawr o'r Дauch chi cael eich gyfrinddon. Yr hyn yw'r persephe is leaving after the questions run out so as I get your hands on the IK. Lady Christians at the front, just a reminder to your name when you get a microphone. Can we have a microphone here please? OK. Maybe at the same time. Why don't you just shout at the chair, Christian? I know you've got a strong voice. But also the brightest spots in terms of economic growth? Well Africa in many fundamental respects is no different from many other continents Byddw i'n ddigon ni'n ochr ar ei hwn i'r cwaith, rwy'n ddigon ni'n rwy'n gynllun o'r fwyntio ar yr enwyddiadol iddo. mae'n ddigon ni'n gwybod i'r gwaith gyda'r cyfewnfeydd yma ychydig o'i agorododau at gwrddol a'n chi gwell â'r fawr. Felly, mae'r ffordd rwy'n ddweud y gallwn fforddio y cyfnod o'r gweithio. Felly, mae'r ffordd ffordd ei mwyn ffordd i'w gwisio allwch yn ddiwedd, a'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfrannu. Fy fffordd o'r cyfnod o'r cyfrannu, ac mae'n rhaid i'n cael ei wneud. Wrth gwrs, ychydig yw'r rhaid i'r India. Mae'r rhannu gwrs yn ddawf yng Nghymru. Mae yw'r rhannu gwrs yn ddraethau. Mae'r rhannu amser o'r amser o'r rhaid i'r modi. Mae'r rhannu ar y cyflogion o'r prif sefydliadau yn y teimlo i gael y cyflogion ffyrdd o'r cyfrifredig oherwydd yna'r cyfrifredig yn gyflawn i wneud i gael eu hwnnw. Y Brzell yng Nghymru yn gweithio. ac yn ddechrau, ac mae'n rhan fydd yma iawn. Ond mae'n cael ei ddweud o'r ffasgau hynny. Byddwn ddod i'n meddwl, mae'n cyfnod o'n cyfrifiadau a gwahanol, mae'n cyfrifiadau a'n cyfrifiadau, mae'n cyfrifiadau a'r cyfrifiadau yn cael ei ddodolol o'r cyfrifiadau a'r cyfrifiadau, nid oedd wedi'u cyfrifiadau. Brite spots? Brite spots, I think one of the brightest spots is the passion I see amongst young Africans, both entrepreneurs and, I mean in this country I see young black and white South Africans which makes me very, very proud. We've got challenges in this country, but these young black and white South Africans who've been to school together. And I mean after 25 years, Claes was talking about 25 years after Mandela went to Davos, young black and white South Africans who don't know what it means to be, to have different colours and are so excited and passionate about their future and their contribution to their growth long term. That makes me very, very proud. But of course we've got lots of work to do in this country in many areas, but I'm confident we'll deal with those things. Okay, just from the back first and then following on to the judgment in front of you. Mr Mwtsepe, it's Angelo Coppola from China Central Television. Regulatory certainty is one of the key issues that drive economies. And in South Africa at the moment we're having this bit of an impasse around the black economic empowerment bill and the mining sector. Your view on what should be done to make that bill go through so that everybody can actually get on with business. I mean I had a CNN interview earlier and sometimes that was one of the key issues at last. Let me rather answer it in terms of principles. Principle number one is definitely we need regulatory certainty and also a regulatory environment that's good for business, there's no doubt about it. Principle number two is if you look at what has happened in many African countries, when colonialism came to an end there was a new black elite in government. They were the exclusive beneficiaries of economic growth of development. Their families did very well. The majority of the population either went backwards or were not beneficiaries and did not participate in the growth and development. That is a recipe for long-term political and social instability. And I always say if all of the people in South Africa were green, yellow, forget about any differences in colour, but only those who surnames are mwtsepe grow and benefit from the economy. Recipe for long-term instability. So the thinking behind the need to ensure that there's meaningful black participation in the economy. We do need a middle class. This country needs a middle class of black and white people and all of our people. The people who've got a stake in the future of this economy. So at the heart of black economic empowerment was supposed to be because most of the transactions we did on the mining side were many, many years before empowerment was established. But Farsid was about a different philosophy. My grandfather was an entrepreneur. My father was an entrepreneur. I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs and what we knew was your colour is irrelevant in terms of your competitiveness and your efficiency and your innovation and the results you deliver to shareholders. So the issue of criteria of performance of excellence for us were always important. I would like to see more focus on entrepreneurship, more focus on competitiveness of business overall. There will be black business people who will need help. I quickly want to tell you about we opened the mine in one of the provinces. We currently employ about 5,000 people there. 90% we open a platinum mine. 90% unemployment rate amongst the inhabitants where the mine is. We had to build entrepreneurs from scratch. Teach them what it means to buy at a certain price, sell at a higher price, be competitive. We had to hold their hands. One of the things that disappoints me about South African entrepreneurship is, and again, I was so amazed in another session I went to. Chatham House rules don't apply so I can tell you. One of the top Chinese, he works for the government of China but he's basically responsible for China in Africa and he said, you cannot underestimate the importance of the market. I was critical, critical, critical, critical. Personally, when we opened, at the heart of entrepreneurship, of black economic empowerment, was the need to get blacks to become stakeholders in the economy. Broad-based economic empowerment has a positive in terms of, you've got to bring in new people as many as possible so that it's not the same faces even though how excellent they may be. We've got to spread opportunities. But the disadvantage of that is it doesn't allow for capital accumulation. If you look at the Africaners in this country, and I don't want this to be about black economic empowerment in South Africa. If you've got further questions, I'll hang around and deal with it. One of the excellent things the African business community did in this country is the great successful African entrepreneurs recognized their growth and success and the growth and success of their families to be inextricably intertwined with the growth and success of the communities they came from. We have to do the same in South Africa. The last thing I want to say, I came from the giving pledge this morning. That's partly why I was late. You never stop learning to see how the giving pledge that was started by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. You never stop learning by seeing how some of the most successful families in the world recognize that they've got a duty in relation to philanthropy and create a future for all. Try and help those who are less fortunate. The last point, we have no future in this country. Forget about black, white, forget about empowerment. We have no future in South Africa if we don't create opportunities for as many of our people as possible. They've got to have a future and a stake. We will have politically... But we've got to do the right things. Corruption and the sort of jobs for pals or ex-benefits because you are politically connected. You can't build an economy based on that. You've got the microphone ready. A couple of business leaders in South Africa have spoken about the various departments that have a stake in the economy not working in a more cohesive way. Do you agree with that kind of thinking that South African departments focused on the economy could work with a more single message to outside investors as well as to inside investors? I'll give you a quick answer. When I was president of business in the country and one of the things that was important, continuously important is to bring black and white business together because business was divided historically along racial lines. One of the most important things is when there are things in government that are inefficient, ineffective, you want to change. I thought it was primarily South African but my friends all over the world say it's the same. You tend to be so much more effective when you close the doors and if you need to shout and scream at them you do that. But if you go public and consistently point out their weaknesses you put them on the spot, they start becoming defensive and they feel the need at times to try and protect and explain and justify what they themselves recognize as weaknesses. I've got no doubt historically I never wanted to... We come from an entrepreneurial culture and we focus on our businesses and I never used to engage government on the business side. I'm not talking about the policy side because what we had to do to get government to recognize that we live in a globally competitive world and South Africa has to be globally competitive to attract investment and do the good things for our people we need to. But on the family philanthropy side and the businesses that we are doing and of course the tax issues, we are trying to get as many women, youth and black business people to become entrepreneurs and to run businesses and we see areas in government where they can be more effective and we engage them. I mean I made a remark on Escom in terms and it was a huge issue but I was expressing an opinion which is correct. So overall there's always room for government to improve and there's always areas where we should keep identifying how they can do better but I just found that when I grabbed the minister closer door and tell him this is a lot of our business people think we can do better. Let's get on with it. I find that things just get done so much more quickly and so much more effectively. Rather than if he reads in the paper I tell him what a lousy job he's doing. Where to start?  Then we'll move over to this side of the room. Try and keep your questions short and brief. My name is Christian Butch, Africa correspondent of D-Wale, the German publication. Many, quite a number of very very successful African business people have gone into politics and here in South Africa, Tokyo, Sexwale, Syria, Ramaphosa. I mean you care a lot about the people quite obviously with your foundation, with your personal background. Is there anything that you would consider maybe you could make an even bigger change on the political level? Let me tell you know you need people who I think we could make a greater contribution as a family and with all humility I think I could most probably make an even more significant contribution by keep trying to bring people together and also keep saying the things that are politically inappropriate, incorrect and because you know once you take, once you run, once you get into politics you've got to look at a constituency and at times get that constituency to keep voting for you and what South Africa needs is, I mean the excitement of this country is the future of all our people. I mean it's, you know, we've got an incredible wealth of talent and of people but we have to focus on the poor. We have to focus on the poor. But if my name is Jan van der Merve or Sippor Chaminio I've got to believe that this is the best place to live in the country. Not because some politicians say that, they don't even care what the politicians say but because of my experiences and what I see on a day to day basis. Okay, moving on. Gentleman there, gentlemen there. Then we'll go through this side. I'm not forgetting you. Chris Malane at Bloomberg News. I'd be interested to hear your sort of opinion and insight as to the opportunity in Ethiopia for businessmen and as a side question South Africa seems to be getting a bit of a kicking in this whole FIFA situation. I was wondering if you had any words of support of defence for your country. About FIFA. Well, whatever you fancy. You know, I'll tell you. They asked me, one of my wonderful ladies asked me the question and I learned many, many years ago. I used to, I was taught many years ago don't express an opinion until you know the facts. And with the greatest amount of respect I am so, I've been travelling for the last few weeks I'm so in the dark on the FIFA issue. But again, and I sort of fumbled my way in trying to express an opinion. And I just thought, you know, the critical issue is that and she was telling me about Mandela, excellent. But the critical issue is that we have to be seen as a country and let me say, I have total confidence that, and you have to start on the basis that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. So you've got to start on the basis that South Africa should have done all the right things. And that's what I have confidence in and that's what I expect. And as a starting point and then she said to me, of course the facts show something else. I don't know what the facts are. But we have to be seen to be a country that adheres to global best practices and at no stage get involved in behaviour that can be interpreted as improper behaviour and conduct. And let me overemphasise. I start on the basis that we will, you know, that we behaved in a proper way that we are innocent until proven guilty. What was your first question? Ethiopia. No, again, you know, many of the African countries that were not competitive in terms of attracting investment are now exceedingly competitive. So, you know, we don't ever have a right to South Africa to investment that other countries do not have. I mean, you know, we all have to compete. So Mozambique is doing well. Botswana has always done well. Ethiopia is an exciting destination. Ghana has always done very well. Kenya. So, you know, some companies are asking themselves where should I open my head office? Is it South Africa or is it Kenya? And I know a number of companies, a number of really exciting great companies that have chosen Kenya above South Africa. So we've got to pull up our socks and give them a reason to come here rather than elsewhere. Hi, Lee Middleton from Courts Africa. There's been a lot of talk about leapfrogging and that being the answer for Africa, for the continent going forward. So I just want to ask you what concrete things the private sector should be doing to catalyze innovation and technology and this dream of leapfrogging. And then on that as well, what are the challenges to leapfrogging? I'll say this, you know, this country has got exceptional business people and CEOs and a private sector. And I can assure you the issue of leapfrogging is something that has been looked at across the board. Some of the greatest investors on the continent are South African-based companies. And technology has an incredible opportunity in terms of Africa not having to go through the processes of developing the technology that many countries, you know, the 5, 7, 10-year period of developing those technologies. PESA, I mean, I'm excited. I was briefed a few weeks ago that the money that gets transferred through PESA in Kenya, much, much bigger, much more significant than the money that gets exchanged through the banks. Exciting. 700 million cell phones in Africa, double the size of the American population. Exciting. As we speak, there's technology being developed in certain areas. PESA leads the world in terms of mobile, you know, money transfers. Jasmine here, Lady A, at the back afterwards. My name is Sami Isilampah. I'm a correspondent for Finnish newspaper, Helsing Insanomat. The mining industry in South Africa has, over the course of the history, created enormous wealth to a relatively small number of people. Now at this forum today, there's been a lot of talk about the inclusiveness of the growth. So what should and could be done in mining industry to make it benefit a larger number of people in this country? Very good question. Let me give you an example. I grew up in a place outside Pretoria, and my family had a grocery store and a bottle store and a beer hall, because it's time. To your question of inclusive growth, I saw my parents pay for the school fees of children in the village who do various other things that reflected their recognition that they had no future if the people in that community didn't succeed or grow. I mean, these things happen subconsciously. Those of us who are in the mining industry, both in terms of what we do, but also in terms of the experiences of our workforce. I mean, I can say one thing, but I guess it's more important that the workers who work for us experience. We've got a lot of work to do. At some stage, the whole industry needs a fundamental review. I've got no doubt about it. And part of that fundamental review and a fundamental new dispensation at the heart of it must be what you're calling inclusive growth and shared growth. But what I would refer to as stakeholder benefits, stakeholder engagement, a deep commitment in realising that I've got a duty to all shareholders, I also have a fundamental duty to the shareholders who are the people who give us the money to go and open these businesses. If my shareholders who sit in London, New York or wherever, don't think that the mining industry is a good place to invest and will give them competitive returns over an extended period of time, I do not have a mining industry. So I can guarantee you there's a huge commitment on the companies that I'm associated with. And I know that the mining industry as a whole is committed to engaging in a manner that creates a future that is good for all its stakeholders. Thank you. I'm Sasha Planting from MoneyWeb. Staying with the mining industry, we tend to talk of it as a sunset industry. Can you share some thoughts on how we can turn it back into a sunrise industry, how we can attract investment, how we can encourage exploration? Very, very important question. Again, we are not the only country that has got a monopoly in relation to the minerals that the world wants. I mean, there are many countries in Africa and there are many countries in other parts of the world, in South America as well as... I mean, we've got a copper, gold mining, Papua New Guinea world class. We employ many, many people there. I mean, the deposit is exceptional. We've got a copper mine in Zambio. There's a challenge in relation to the global price of copper. But I remain optimistic about the future of the mining industry. There are challenges. There are challenges about our engagement with labour. We have to re-engage with labour. I admire the way the German system has managed to really involve labour as a partner in the growth of the businesses. And that's partly why German industry worldwide is really outstanding. I think the UK is also... I mean, the good progress has been made there. But the commodities industry is a long-term industry. There will be times when right now things are difficult. We think for us it creates opportunities in terms of acquisitions and partnerships. But you do have to take a long-term view. But at the heart of this new dispensation, it has to be government, labour, and us have to come together and have a re-look in terms of how we can reposition, restructure this industry for the benefit of all stakeholders. OK, just one here. I think maybe try one more question after that and then we have to close. You know, he comes from a newspaper in the townships.  OK. Very good evening, Mr Motsipae. My name is Stuart Lisulo, senior business reporter with the Post Newspapers based in... For the Post. Yes, based in Lusaka, Zambia. My question basically centres on the mineral royalty taxes, which was a hugely, hugely controversial issue in Zambia. They were raised to 20% for opencast mines and reduced back to 9%, which is still considerably higher than the regional average. So the question to put it very straight forward is, can Zambia, as a mining investment destination, still remain competitive amid that high tax rate? Not to mention, of course, the hike in low-sulfur gas, diesel, and electricity charges as well. It's very... You know, let's take Zambia and look at Chile and then I'll come back to Zambia. Chile has done very well. I mean, I know the CEOs of some of the largest copper companies in Chile. And there are times when the price of copper went up and the industry did well. And sometimes regulators only remember when the price and the governments keep in mind or remember the time when things were good, when the prices were good when profits were made.  I've had engagements with various people in Zambia. I have no doubt that there's a commitment to try and work out a dispensation in Zambia that's good for the country, good for the citizens and good for the mining industry. And sometimes we need to walk a path and find each other. But I'm very optimistic about Zambia. Final question, sir. Microphone coming away. Mr Mzipi. I just want to find out what are your thoughts on this? Can you give your name please in your paper? Mpo from SOE 10. Thank you. SOE 10 is where Mandela used to live, so it's complicated. I just want to find out what are your thoughts on the once-empowered, always-empowered principle? That's in court right now. And at the same time, I've never heard your views on e-toils. You know, small businesses are always complaining, basically complaining to Xerco that their views are not taken into account when coming up with the new decision to implement, basically with this new decision. So I just want to find out what are your thoughts on that? The next question is, what are your thoughts on my Melody Sundowns? And I'll tell you, my Melody Sundowns loses us all the time. No, but I mean, the first question was once-empowered, always-empowered. You know, two issues. There are sensitive discussions underway. And I can tell you, we can spend the whole day. You know, as I said, sometimes you don't have time to, because it is a complex issue. You can't deal with it within two, three minutes. But the three things that are key is, when you've got, in terms of the dispensation, the black economic empowerment dispensation, I always would like to see the black shareholders continue to be shareholders after the sunset period. Because at the heart of empowerment has to be to give those who in the past didn't have a stake, give them a stake. Of course, in a manner that's appropriate, that's in the interests of the country and in the interests of all stakeholders. Now, we have created many, many companies and have involved, I mean, literally thousands of shareholders.  I used to earn 2,000 rents a month. And you've given me half a million rent. I mean, she says this with tears in eyes. That's beautiful. That's good. And then you find, and we've got hundreds of those. And then you find a teacher who, I mean, they never came to any meetings, because this is the broad base where we've got literally thousands of people. Never came to any meeting.  I've got 500,000 rents there, or even 800,000, which is wonderful.  And I've got this money. I need the money. So you can't say to that woman or that father, please don't sell your shares because I want you to remain and have a stake in the economy. So we knew many, many years ago when this whole empowerment process was started that there will be incidents where the market, the behaviour and conduct of the market in such a fundamental respect may be out of line with what we are trying to do to help our people. We'll talk and learn. But as I said, these women who, hundreds of them used to earn 2,000 and they've got half a million, that's part of the broad base. That's very good. Do you want to answer the question on it also? We are involved, and I don't want to be devil the issue because it may have an impact.  I'm not talking about itals, I'm talking about other issues. It has an impact on your ability at times to persuade parties where you may have different views. Because the one party says, you clearly said a view this contrary to what my stance is and I'm less likely to be persuaded by you. Safe to say at all times, and that's why I'll be a disastrous politician. The one thing my father taught me is that the customer is always right. And I would imagine the voters are always right as well in terms of expressing opinions in terms of what they think is good and not so good for themselves. Thank you. Thank you very much. Over time, so we must close this session now. I'd like to thank Mr Moseby for joining us. Thank you all. Thank you so much for watching online.