Whoa You got an echo thing because Eric you're still not muted Got it Anyways, hey everyone welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 22 and You're muted as well, you know, you're just not ready Yeah, we just forget you exist no any equipment set up correctly I'm just hiding himself because he's doing embarrassing things over there We do have some We're off to a great start Amazing I'll move myself on my on my side. Yeah. Yeah, why don't you just you eliminate your microphone like it doesn't exist Yeah, yeah, it's a weird set up cuz his audio is coming through over here, but then Anyways, I mean, it's not a real gamer anyways. Yeah How much years the can you play last week two minutes? Yes, I'm like that. Yes. He's not a real gamer I think I was doing we got a packed show today and we have a new face around here So let's start by introducing our new face. We have mr. Say you ran. How's it going? I mean, it's going great How you doing pretty good man? So I want to tell everyone what you do around on YouTube and all that Hello, I I'm an attend your centric channel, but I cover the big three I like talking about games industry news events all that fun stuff. Come check it out Say a rain gave me. Yep. We and we got it linked right down in the description And we'll probably toss it in the chat a few times throughout the show today Obviously you guys know who I am. I'm Nintendo Prime. I don't need an introduction to my own channel I don't think maybe you don't know who I am but too bad So let's go The top middle here though one who kept messing up the beginning of the stream without meaning to without doing anything I did nothing. Yeah, I did Eric more He said I don't know what we're yelling about so I don't know what we're yelling about well But I do apparently because we're yelling about me, but yeah, it's like Then we got mr. Daren up there at the top right who's adventuring in the depths apparently how's it going there? What's up everybody? You know, I love it. I love it down there I spent a whole days down there and just uncovering stuff. Yeah, one of the best parts of the game nice Then below there and we got Nick Barrett from the joystick drift podcast back again reminding us the Wii U is back. Why is the Wii U back? This the Sony thing that's like a screen for your console, which is just the Wii U Yeah, I saw a picture for it and I was like, oh a new Sony handheld that I looked at my article and I was like Oh, it's not I don't care Do remote play on PlayStation on your phone or tablet So here's just a separate device that has none of the functions of your phone or tablet Just for remote play. We just kind of play station. Look, I literally have a backbone and I do that all the time Why do I need like it was probably gonna be a $200 device, but I could just buy something for what I yeah for what I already have like it It's Anyways, you know what that's just that's just the way they do things around here Then we have mr. Andrews restart going up in here. How's it going? I'm going on. I'm happening. I'm here Much of you've had a bit of a rough week over there at the channel, so It's alright. It's alright. Yeah for those who don't know he went through a little demonetization thing He talked about it a bit publicly. It doesn't seem like he really did anything wrong. It was more like a form situation I'm a criminal. Yeah, apparently it's a man. It was no on it. No um basically They wanted documentation and I didn't really Apparently they sent me an email a while ago asking for extra documentation on like my You know like personal tax living stuff Yeah, and I never saw the email because I get thousands of emails It was one email a long time ago and then All monetization was gone. I was like, okay, something's wrong So Yeah, yeah, it was a form situation as I said, yeah, it's all it's all resolved now And the sad thing is while he was dealing with the resolve you have like one of his best videos and like the last month Just blow up and not be able to monetize. So I'm sure that wasn't that wasn't nice feeling But hey, you know what is good feeling about that? It did prove that monetization is irrelevant for video moments Sure. Yeah, that that is true, right? Um That is you figure that would matter that YouTube would care about money But I guess for those for those who who believe in the conspiracy theories that being monetized helps it At least for the short term it didn't make a difference. No, you also were doing better. I go. Oh, geez. It's just stay on monetize. No Don't pay me All right, so we got a lot to talk about today Surprisingly when these topics just literally came together about 40 minutes ago Because it's been a really busy really busy around here that being said we have to get to our first segment That's what have we been playing lately? So I guess let's start with our new person say around what have you been playing lately? Of course, I've been playing to the kingdom. I've actually been Kind of taking my time having a little fun time exploring do all the fun stuff I'm saving the depths actually for a post game. I want to I don't know why just for some reason I'm like I thought that's that's such a post game vibe to it So I'm gonna do that in post game and I play the Street Fighter 6 beta this past weekend. I got destroyed These kids are not playing Not at all That's pretty much it Awesome Nick Barrett. What you've been playing. I haven't talked to you in a bit I've been playing tears of the kingdom about 75 hours in and I've actually beat the main story So I won't say anything Topic today, so we're good Other than it was amazing and everything I hoped for so Now I'm going back through like I hadn't fully explored the depths I haven't fully explored the sky like I want to get all the batteries maxed out like my inventory maxed out So I'm still doing a ton of stuff. It's just I was Really starting to get worried about the story spoilers. So I was like, well, I feel prepared enough Spoiler alert. I was not but I somehow did it And now I'm clear spoilers. So Yeah, I'm just waiting for someone to find a glitch that will let me Glue as many things together as possible. So I realized since we can only glue like 20 things That I cannot make my flying castle and that really upsets me. My dream is ruined. So So you can with some clever tricks, but it's not what I want. I have a vision I have a vision and my vision is ruined So I have to rethink the vision using the physics engine, which isn't really the same because what I've noticed is I don't know if you guys have figured this out yet Things way more if they're not glued and I don't know why so when you're doing flying physics If you just set a log on top of a platform and then attach a fan Yeah, it weighs more than it does if you just glue it so it's it's a weird thing So my flying castle has to be a pretty mini castle and you know, I'm not happy about that So somebody out there you guys are finding all the duplication glitches in the world Find an ultra hand glitch so I can unlimited glue. I don't care if my switch chugs the two FPS I want that flying castle. I will approach the final battle in my own castle. Come on So you want a castle to fly into another castle? Yes By the way, I don't know where the land my castle on the castle. I don't even know yeah You actually go to the castle pretty early. I went there nothing crazy app and I just found some good stuff Yeah, there's apparently a lot of I haven't gone yet, but there's a lot just like in Breath the Wild There's a lot of good weapons there And there is a pretty crazy thing in there somewhere if you look hard enough Yeah, maybe I need to go back. I didn't Yeah, well, I'm saving it Will we stop like avoiding spoilers and we just say what happens like when is that point? I don't know Content like I Wanted to make some tip guides or something like and I'm just like nope because every time I even put up a thumbnail with tears It came with something like spoiler. I'm like No All right So just so you know every time I record tears of the kingdom footage I go and turn off all the powers powers for what not gonna say Like literally I just turned off one when we were like, oh technically there's something visible on screen that someone might not want to see Even though it was in all the reviews, but whatever like I want to make at least some tips videos, too Like there are some bosses. I'm not even talking about dungeon bosses. I'm just talking about some overworld bosses I don't show up in trailers. I was like, hey I would like to make a how-to video on this because I know there are some people that just see it and run Right and I'm not saying there's actually a couple different things. I Can't even make a video on it because it's technically a spoiler So then the people who want to know how to do it. Where do they look? I mean it not YouTube and I will say this I Have admittedly tried looking on YouTube for a few guides for very very very specific things and they don't exist and That's very strange That we are like this far out and guides for various I'm looking up a guide for something and I want to like a Shrine guide at this point. There's guides for every shrine, but like Why this is stuff that you would normally be able to find and I think some people are just either to have an experience in somehow Or are afraid to make videos because there's so much backlash every time you do Thank you. Maybe I could do silhouettes like Or the entire solution even though people are specifically looking for that solution. Yes, so it's Or we've just a point where you can just do it But I feel like once you're a month out It's kind of like but then if you use an ultra hand, you just make funny builds. Nobody complains about that, right? If you go to the Hyrule Engineering subreddit, they know crazy stuff in there. Yeah, there is yeah, all right Who's next for what are you playing with me? Oh, I'll just restart we've been playing lately. I mean, I'm assuming one thing But I don't know maybe maybe you've got multiple games going. Yeah, okay.  Hey spoilers There's no way Today I didn't know I could glue spoilers He's playing as the king that played a little bit of future redeems. I Didn't know it's reflected on the TV's. Oh wait I wonder better lights because I think my my eyesight started to degrade from too much light on my face You do not understand why I kick off my life shoes. We're in shades. I Have it's literally just a light reduction things. I'm in front of them. Yeah, I lowered the brightness on all of them And it I don't know. Yeah, it's still I was watching the basketball game the other day and like Sitting all the way back and like that I can read everything but like the numbers are starting to blur a little bit I'm like I used to have perfect vision. This is not okay Not anymore Well, I don't know if I can fix it or maybe we're just getting older Nah forever youth Yeah, but yeah, I've been playing through the kingdom that's pretty much the only thing I've been playing I was actually surprised to see that I was over in 90 hours Maybe I'm already over a hundred because I stayed up late last night to finish the third dungeon And I was actually shocked at how many times I died I don't think I've ever died that many times against the boss for it. What's your third? I Don't know. That might be a spoiler. I don't know just go Where there's a lot of sand Yeah, I think I think it might have been the it's so interesting because I mean I've liked I think there's more than What am I allowed to say? Anyway, okay? I think there's more. I think like I'm at the mountain Everyone knows where death mountain is that's where I'm at at the moment or sort of okay. Yeah, I that was my The in the northeastern part of the map there is a dungeon if that's a spoiler I apologize and that was my second one and now I'm in the southern part of that I'm doing The thing is I think there might be more one more than one dungeon to the south, but the very south I Did I just didn't I stayed up all night doing that dungeon I think that might have been my favorite dungeon I'm not sure because like there's they're all kind of like unique and they have like their own like Like there's a lead up to like it's not just the dungeon itself It's like the story leading up to it and I and they're all kind of unique and cool in their own way And then there's a dungeon themselves and then the boss fights this game I Twilight Princess had maybe the best boss designs in the Zelda history tears of the kingdom Has that same energy? Except it's hard and that was the one problem with Twilight Princess that the bosses looked cool But they were a cakewalk these bosses aren't always a cakewalk and that's that that kind of It makes it just that that's interesting because the the two Dungeons I have down I didn't really find either boss to be that hard one was a really fun But not really difficult the other one was kind of a joke I'll tell you the first two don't as I did I didn't die Third dungeon I did I died and maybe it's just because I'm not getting enough hearts or something But like I was getting one shot at left and right like there were attacks coming Well, I've heard that done in your time. What is like the hardest one to and I also speculate I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that the difficulty kind of scales depending on your progress to I Don't know some of the enemies the enemies seem to be higher Like different like higher colored the more like I have ten hearts right now, which isn't a lot But like I'm like walking up and an enemy just snacks and I'm dead. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, all right Yeah, I think they've actually I haven't confirmed yet But I'm pretty sure they've added some sort of enemy AI scaling with your hearts Yeah, yeah So technically you going oh, I'm not gonna add any hearts Sort of keeping the game easy mode for yourself. They kind of went opposite direction Which is all right I got like a full stamina wheel plus some because I just I always get max out stamina. They go hard So I have like six seven hearts, but yeah, I'm gonna I don't have any hearts, but I also I have like I Don't know 16 orbs to turn in so I just yeah, I just haven't stopped Yeah, I'm usually not in a rush to like I'll get like maybe, you know, 16 20 orbs and then all right. It's time to to Yeah Yeah, but I think I've put in almost a hundred hours apparently But I think some of that's just kind of me like recording a video leaving the game on the background So it's probably a little bit misleading, but Oh, yeah, like yeah, literally you're right. Yeah. Yeah, so that definitely probably increases the my play time, but uh, I Played a decent amount. I'm only on the money three dungeons and I actually I Don't know how how are we it I could talk about you as a kingdom all night Obviously and mine was at 55 hours when it unlocked and then I've only played like an hour since because of what I said I was busy. I'm I've been so busy and I'm behind on things and And now it's the last week of school for the kids and now they're gonna be home all the time Things are just about to get even more nuts.  It's Let's go. We do well.  You can go Let me ask you a question Like I'm a fruit for a lot of you guys I like a lot of us create content Has like the need to create content like impacted your experiences of the kingdom because I felt a little I don't I feel compelled to rush through the story Just to like make videos on it Because I make a Zella theory, right? Story just because people kept trying to spoil it for me in my life streams all the time. So it had nothing to do with Content per se more.  So I'm like, you know what? I'll just do all the dragon tears right now instead of waiting. I think it's that's not even the whole story. No I don't know yet. That's the thing. Yeah, I Was last night same Yeah, it's uh, wow I don't think it's impacted my enjoyment of the game because I didn't want to approach it as a review because I was like If I make a review like there's like a million other reviews of right everyone else doing it So I just approached it from a different angle so that I could actually enjoy the game I'm thinking about doing a like spoiler field story discussion this weekend, but also spoilers, you know, you know how that is If you warn and there's nothing in the title or thumbnail, that's really bad I think it'd be all right.  No, you'd be surprised Just click the complaint I completely avoided listening to any of the soundtrack on YouTube because I didn't want YouTube to keep Recommending me stuff, but then be like here's the final boss music and I'm like, oh, thanks the title alone is a spoiler You heard my main theme on my stream. It doesn't affect your suggestions. That's true Anyways, all right Darren, what are you complaining? I don't even need to ask it's I mean Playing tears of the kingdom like everyone else I've I Forgot to check the clock. I forgot that unlocked, but I know I have over a hundred hours. I'm sure you do Darren I'm I definitely do I have I'm onto my second row of hearts. I have stamina maxed out I have shrines about three quarters of the way done. I wanted to have them all done by tonight But I do not yet. I want to get them all done before I go to the next dungeon and continue the story I Did play a little bit of modern warfare to tonight and last night That's why I didn't finish the shrines and I've also been enjoying the Lakers downfall I think they did the best they could Lebron's are the best you could Some of those guys are the best they could but you know the nuggets they're Yeah, they're a killing machine Yeah, they play the heat Until they play He's got to finish the job first. We'll see we'll see how it goes You're still gonna win the series, but I'm just saying it would be it was literally be the first time an MBA history team Has But yeah, there's always the first What are the odds it's the first time They're pretty low I remember when the Bucks were down 2-0 in the finals and they're like, oh, oh look at the stats Yeah, that series over and then well they won for yeah, but 2-0 is different from 3.0 And weren't they the away team they didn't lose their first two home games It's very different situation. Yeah, it's a different situation, but in the finals you never want to go down 2-0. It's not good You don't want to go down. No, never. Yeah, it's not a good look, but it's not it's not No one thought that Yarnest was gonna bounce back the way that he did after that meeting so we got kind of lucky Um, and it was the Suns and well, I don't know Let's just say Chris Paul seems to always come up small when it matters most Long history of that Chris Paul. Sorry man point God Sorry Um, let's get into uh, Eric. I guess what are you Don't worry. I've been playing tears the kingdom a little bit here We just discussed earlier how you barely touched it. No, I mean, no, I've played um I'm About five towers in Um, can I think it's counting by tower?  It's gone on to the sky island. No, I'm not going back to the sky island Um, no, I've gotten off of it. Um, I'm about five towers deep Just And then You know, um, just slowly progressing through the game hitting up the The side quest as I come across them and then a lot coming to the Yeah, I'm finally completed with the ones that I have so I'm on to the region Uh Story quest original phenomenon. Yes Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I'm heading to that story quest. I think next been to the depth yet. Yeah Just And then yeah, yeah to do that one do that one question. I export just a tiny bit, but yeah, all right so, uh Well, I mean here's the kingdom and that's all I've I've all I've touched. Uh, I I actually technically played farming simulator 23 That was for that was for a video Uh, that I knew would not perform. Well, actually, I'm kind of surprised I thought we were done at 600 views. I woke up the next day. We cracked a thousand on that video So thank you guys for watching that that video. That's awesome Uh, as I tell all of these sponsors that come at me It's better to buy an ad than to buy a dedicated video I keep telling them this and they just go how much for dedicated.  And then they always go. Yes Here's the page and then they come back and go. No, they actually they don't they don't say anything Right, they just go cool. Thank you And I'm like I hope it was hope it was worth it I don't think it probably was for you. By the way, nothing against farming simulator 23 It's it's exactly what it says it is. It's very good at what it's doing If you like farm life, you might like this. It's got animal husbandry and it's got all the plants and all this But again, I didn't know what husbandry meant until I played farming simulator. Oh I grew up in the heart of the farmland I tried to get into farming simulator I I have a friend that that plays that he does a lot of logging instead of farming Oh, sure. Yeah, that's something to do the game. Yeah, and you know, it was enticing but after I played probably around like five hours of it And I was like, yeah, there's other stuff that I'd rather play but I I can't say it's a bad game It's exactly what it says it is like, yeah, it's farm life Do you enjoy farm life? Then you might enjoy the game There's an audience for it. I'm more than I thought Yeah, it's actually like there's been multiple of them and and like if you look at the mobile version It's got a ton of downloads and it's like good like And it's legitimately not a bad game even on switch like it's I I actually think mobile makes sense between switch and phone because like let's say you're at work And you got some downtime or on the bus like it's kind of like It is kind of like the ideal game to kind of all right. Just kill some time, you know, relax Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's not it's not a bad game, but I haven't so so there's that and yeah, there's tears of the kingdom That's basically Yes, I was I picked up rule. I played one game. I'm adding this week. I want it. So that's that's cool Maybe tears of the kingdom has me relaxed now because this was a money. I rage deleted like two months ago I that game is such a Pisses me off It's a mess I want to like it and I do but every time I play it makes me so mad Like I just want a good nfl game and it's not don't you love when a defender can jump and get 15 feet in the air to intercept the the football that makes any sense Oh, I dropped a rainbow dime.  Well, there's that's why I do leagues We do leagues where people stick around because you get put you get punished That's where it's uh Anyways, so yeah, most of tears of the kingdom Haven't a great time. I have no idea guys when I'm gonna finish this game I'm not reviewing it. At least I don't think I am Maybe there's a value in a review like a year from now. I don't know But if it is then it's got to be an Arlo style review, which is like four videos one hour plus long Not sure I have that in me But maybe I do maybe I'll have that much to say that much to deep dive and do because there's quite a bit You could deep dive and do Because it happens Like when Arlo does his reviews, you know, like a year or two later, you know, he's a horrible spoilers He's deep diving into every little detail. So Uh I honestly think I'm gonna end up playing tears of the kingdom for like the next year at this point I don't think I'm ever gonna get enough time to to fundamentally sit down and finish the game Um, so I'm just gonna keep playing it here and there a little bit here and there I'll probably end up somewhere around 700 hours in the game before I actually fight the final boss And that's still gonna take me forever to get there And then that's assuming that I don't take breaks for things like eggman four coming out Maybe metro prime four drops sometime in there while I'm also trying to finish this And I know those are shorter games. So then I'll be like, oh, let me go do those You don't know how long crime four is Prime four ain't no 700 hours. Get out of here. Neither is tears of the kingdom Tears of the kingdom can be 700 hours. It is you got so much content packed into it I don't know I I just don't know how many hours I'm gonna spend in this game. It might be upwards of 700 Because and I'm gonna regret saying this but I'm going to 100 percent this game It's I'm gonna do the core ox seeds. I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it. I don't care enough to max out my inventory and then I'm gonna stop And I've seen the reward for the core ox seeds. I'm sorry if this is a spoiler, but it still sucks So shocker Sorry if you were going to get all the core ox needs because you're hoping for a good reward But it's not going to be a good reward.  Come on. I will do that would be that'd be worth it I would do it if you give me a limited ultra hand I mean it would be but also they would be broken Well, I but at that point That you're collecting every core ox you've done everything already. That's just like You're at that point. You're looking to break the game just to have fun. What if it damages the switch? If you think about it Breath of the wild like people who only make content on Breath of the wild have been making content on that game For six years and then they got a sequel. So it's like The sky's the limit man Pun intended Well, not the moon though, sorry bud That's debatable. That's the There's hope. I mean I was like sports something that basically was a moon. So I am very interested to see what dlc looks like Because like where do you go from here? Well, I don't have the underground you have the sky like the water. What could you see More sky water the moon I would love more sky islands. I do feel like the sky Especially compared to the underground is kind of bare. Yeah That's my theory. I would pay 20 bucks for my weapons not to break Oh, here we go. That's the fun. That's what the fun part I do enjoy the fuse mechanic. I do like it. I Can't say that spoiler. I'm not gonna say that All right, uh, let's get into the some of the quick news that happened over the last week There was new sparks. I hope dlc announced which is awesome. We knew what was coming didn't know when So still technically don't know when uh, they didn't really show it But maybe it'll be a nintendo's next event which we might talk about eventually here It turns out that if you really enjoy bayonetta origins That don't just think platinum games think nintendo because it was nintendo's idea as they put out in an interview nintendo suggested to platinum that they should do a spin-off for bayonetta and they're like, oh Really? Because they weren't even thinking about that now. They're like cool. And that's how origins happen. So nintendo, look at them pushing platinum to make a spin-off. That's pretty cool Tears of the kingdom sales wise here's your weekly cheers of the kingdom news Remains number one in the uk for the second week in a row despite a 73 drop-off number This is only physical sales and you might hear 73 drop-off and think it's bad its debut is massive Every game that debuts this massive in the uk drops off like this So to still maintain number one just lets you know how many sales are still happening for that game in the uk Don't have japanese numbers that always happens today after the podcast Let's see sony did a really funny thing talking in a business meeting that's posted publicly about brand momentum And apparently according to them nintendo's brand momentum is basically a flat straight line since 2018 And this is based on internal data. So they claim So, you know when they peaked in 2020 selling 28 million switches The most ever for any console in the history of gaming That didn't give them a bump in their brand momentum when they released lego sets That became the fastest selling new lego sets in 30 years 30 years That didn't give me brand momentum when they announced the mario movie no brand moment. It's kind of interesting But remember when ps5 launch it made that a when the playstation 5 launch was Through the roof for brand momentum Didn't get anything Horizons 30 million in a year no brand momentum. Let's first ask this question What do we define as brand momentum? Well, their definition their definition was it was Basically a public perceived brand recognition Of anything produced by sony interactive entertainment, which also includes tv and movies Based on video games because they opened a production studio for that So that's what they do now what they base it for the other companies. I'm sure it's whatever metrics they can to make them look bad Because for nintendo the entire business is built around their video game ip So I mean to be fair though We didn't know it was technically nintendo because it was it was b it was b company b If you actually it says it in the documents if you read further But yeah, they purposely didn't put they just put the red line and the green line and call them company b Had nothing to you know, no way of telling what company was what? Sony's just mad They haven't put out a movie that made a billion dollars at the box office And that they haven't put out a game that sold 10 million copies in three days They're just mad Morvious It really doesn't matter it really doesn't matter sony's just that's why it's not really a topic It doesn't really matter Sony just finding a new way to make themselves look so much more superior than their competition is just It's a very sony thing to do and no one really knows why they put anyone else on the graph Why couldn't the graph just be them, you know, I tune in to streaming handheld really ups their brand recognition I'm sure hey, dude Gamepad let them be let them be I To showcase for like two minutes. I didn't watch the whole thing I didn't really care about it, but I just tuned in for two minutes. I saw it on my feed. I was like, whatever Um, I was in the live chat. I was like, oh, I should be like, oh t o t k q t o t k To like I wanted to just be like is this to the king one too? And then there was the game that should look like tears of the king powers of ashaba. Yeah, yeah I'm actually excited for that one But a lot of it is because it did remind me as although i'm like it looks I'm cool So the phoenix rising and I love phoenix rising. So, you know what? I might really like that I live reacted to it Dude, we got to see plucky squire again, which is also coming to switch So that's really exciting and we got to see a new game a new indie game called neva, which is also coming to switch So Sometimes worth watching these things if you want to see some some multi-platform games come into the nintendo Today I think the funniest things that xbox dropped the graphic like of all the games that are coming out there sony outside the showcase It wasn't really funny I think sony just just plays hardball. That's why we see things like well The internet was crapping on their showcase because there was hardly any first party and it was all all third party multi-platform And that's why microsoft dropped the graphic. They're by the way. Thanks for the showcase like This is coming to me too And i'm not Yeah, yeah Hating on sony because I like nintendo like I play a lot of other games obviously I talk about I play monomorph or two every week. I had a ps4 You know last gen that was my console between ps4 and xbox had a ps4 I switched to xbox for a number of reasons one of them being game pass, but sony in recent years has just They've really lost my respect a lot.  Yeah, why why why are they why are they manipulating? platform in video game history No, and then the whole the whole blocking xbox activation Of activation when activision said look, we'll we'll promise you that we'll put games on your consoles for the next 10 years and other consoles and whatnot and You know, they're they i'm not a fan anymore. I had a ps5. I had a ps5 in an xbox series x and Sure, I just played my series x. I sold my ps5. I don't care about corporate Yes, they can do what they want. Just give me games Play out all the platforms. Just give me games just Fight behind the scenes you multi billion dollar companies or a money. Just give me games Yeah, um speaking of games though Get to our first topic because you know, we have a brand new game and else that's coming to switch Also to other platforms. No problem with that mortal combat one the whole remaster remake whatever they're calling this thing and Really cool. It's coming to switch. Obviously we got mortal combat 11 which ran very well on switch Did a really good job with that port. It's one of the best third party ports we've had from AAA space But it's also $70 on switch, which is the same price. They're charging on the other platforms to be fair It's not like it's switches being singled out or being charged more than everyone else But it became a bit of a talking point because one it's the second $70 game on switch tears of the kingdom have to be in the first And people thinking well one it's a worse version. So why isn't 70 bucks? Haven't seen game Just because the graphics worse doesn't mean it's worse if you can take it on the go. It's literally it's basically two and one I look like this Did you play mortal combat 11 on switch because it sounds like you didn't because it was a very good experience on switch I don't know how the hell they pulled it off, but they did it was really good So I have no doubt that if they did that they're gonna do a good job with this for starters So I could trust that this will be a good version of the game Not some like mobile bastard eyes 10 FPS version On top of that It is $70 on switch and it kind of gets to the point that While it's only two games and we can point out all these other games coming Pikmin 4 not it's not 70 bucks Are we reaching the point where this is just kind of what the prices are going to be on switch or future nintendo platforms Fairly quickly since a third party company is now doing it Yeah, we talked about this last week on the pod It's I think it's definitely the way it's going You know, I was just thinking to myself. Do I really want to pay 70 bucks for a fighting game? But then I remembered I paid 60 for smash and bought all the dlc, which was over 70 So, you know, I It's the way it's going and it really doesn't matter if we like it It's it's happening and I I think nintendo is gonna Keep charging 70 for their games and people are gonna keep buying them Even if I complain you complain. We're still gonna buy them. It's gonna happen nintendo knows that and they're gonna make more money off of it I mean, hey, they bumped zelda up to 70 and it sold 10 million in three days So as much as people complained about it going up in price people still bought the game. So I don't think it's that big of a deal I don't think 70 is that big of a deal because uh, if you look at For me 70 is a standard of quality and performance. Some of those other things too Like jettison viper came out on ps5 and I was like Save your 70 because it was some some issues with that game But uh, you know god of war ragnarok another 75 or $70 excuse me. I know it's on ps5 But that was a great experience. So that's like my standard. I need it to be like that And if we're looking at the switch, I'm like, okay tears of the kingdom That's the $70 game that's their premiere. Like that's my standard now Like I don't expect every game to come out tears of the kingdom levels of polish and everything for $70, but mk11 Or excuse me mk1. I'm like Because street 5 to 6 is 60 on all platform. I think it's 60 everywhere So it's kind of I don't know. It's kind of a little jarring to see that be 70 on the switch Yeah, it's like 33 gigabytes It's a big game. Yeah Sheesh. Yeah, no good luck down. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna require day one download the play for sure I it's interesting, you know looking at the $70 price point I've had I've had numerous debates of people on on the whole $70 price point because really it's only here in the u.s That this is even a thing because no one that nowhere else is increasing prices because Their prices have been increased for like a year. This is a new to them So like we're actually behind the price increase curve We're still at 70 behind most of the price increase curve in the rest of the world. So It's it's interesting. I obviously I'm a big proponent of Price variation like a tears of the kingdom game. Absolutely. We're 70 got a war right now. Absolutely 70 but like People worry like though in the next mario sports game where they drop that at 70 like it just doesn't really feel like That should be 70 bucks I mean it already doesn't feel like it should be 60 in most of the cases so it's sort of like Our you know nintendo talks about oh, we'll judge it by game to game. Yeah, maybe in the moment Like yeah pickman 4 you're not going to charge 70 But don't tell me your next mario game. You're not charging 70 Don't tell me You know after the success of curbing the forgotten land if you release a sequel to that that you're not going to Think I feel like switch 2 comes out in most of their first party games. They release are going to be 70 Yeah, I mean kitt and chris the last week, you know former nintendo play just straight up said yeah, everything's going to be 70 like Very quickly Yeah Because like the you have to look at the rest of the industry sort of standardized that price already And there's been a lot of talks about whether that's worked or not because game sales have been down and this and that And I would just say well game sales been down because the quality of the games at 70 bucks have gone down Not because people won't buy it look at how well god of war ragnarok sold that launch like yeah Because it was a quality game like you can't you put out a jedi survive And people aren't going to pay 70 bucks for a game. It's going to lag all the time Yeah, I have stuttering and performance issues. Yeah, especially if you're on a piece Yeah, and then like you drop before spoken at 70 bucks And then that's just a big massive disappointment redfall big massive disappointment So it's like you got to deliver the game or the price is sort of irrelevant whether it's 60 or 70 If the game isn't good the sales ain't going to be there and I I feel like what we're running into is everyone and This hasn't become a problem for nintendo yet because of the way they operate like tears of the kingdom is one of the few games They put that many years into of course we say that now we're waiting forever for the next mario game So who the hell knows what's happening there? but These companies are really pushing like the bleeding edge of like visual fidelity and all this stuff And sometimes I think there's so much focus on that and it takes so long to make those games We're seeing development times get longer and longer So when a game drops like for spoken or redfall and it doesn't deliver and it is poor It hurts the companies even more now when the sales are bad because they spend even more money to make the game and it's interesting to me because A lot of that to me just comes down to quality control and I just I don't know If companies just aren't emphasizing that I mean we've seen that even with nintendo Like scarlet and violet clearly didn't have amazing quality control or at least If they did weren't given the time to fix the problems for whatever reason No, I heard a game freak sets their own development schedules But then apparently once it's set it's set and tpc won't let them get off it So and then you have tears of the kingdom which delays the game by a year to The entire year just kind of yeah. Yeah, it's great. Well, that's but that's the internal nintendo teams though I think I'll always get to do that I don't know if that quote that they attribute to miimoto and then people say miimoto never actually said The whole delay game is good. Blah blah blah. I think okay fine For the bottom line is nintendo has shown consistently with their internal teams that they will delay games for polish It's happened so many times throughout nintendo history And that that just kind of comes from I guess an internal nintendo standard of like we don't want to release broken games We might release games lacking content But we don't want to release broken games If you notice nintendo's games tend to be Typically some of the least broken of the triple a releases least broken Some ways there's still glitches and stuff like that obviously there's always you can always find glitches in every game though Because glitches are like you're intentionally trying to do something That you wouldn't normally like run into like some of the duplication glitches It's not something you normally would be doing in the course of normal gameplay It's something that you're intentionally trying to figure out Random glitch you're tricking the system. Yeah, which wouldn't be caught in qa because they're just playing the game like you're supposed to I only encountered one random glitch in tears of the kingdom that like I wasn't trying to do And it wasn't even that big of a deal. I was like, oh, okay I I got trapped somehow. I was trying to jump over something And a platform came up and hit me in a weird way and I got caught in the wall And I was like, okay. Well, that that was a really weird scenario That through hundreds of hours of play testing might have never happened. It was just so random that I was in that spot So, you know, I can forgive them It's the only glitch I found But you play some of these other 70 dollar games that release And you're just walking along or doing a quest or whatever and this random weird bug happens that you weren't trying to do And you're like, how how did this make it past quality control? What is going on? I walked up and knocked on the door to see if someone was home and first spoke it and then I fall through the world It's like I was playing uh, the gta sand and drace remaster on xbox, which everyone knows was horrible I'm very disappointed everyone knows that remaster was horrible and I was doing a certain mission I was robbing a bank and I couldn't get past a certain spot in the mission every time I did the game would crash and it's like How did that make it past quality control? It's not a 70 dollar game But it's still a remaster that supposedly they worked on and wanted to put out and market it and oh this is great No, it You know Nintendo I that's one thing I really appreciate about Nintendo is the quality control and the testing and just the polishing they do Especially with big games like tears of the kingdom where they have stuff like this insane physics engine and the ability to build things Just all these different weird abilities that work together The fact that we can play this game and not experience these types of weird random bugs is incredible When other studios put out these games and you're playing them and you're like, what how did I thought I paid 70 dollars for this A good example would be like Bethesda the engine they use has like the same bugs in every game It's like you haven't you haven't figured that out but now it's been like 15 20 years um kind of weird But yeah, it's just one of those things that 70 dollar games are are definitely on the Literally, we're at the cusp of that just being what it's going to be And you know for us as consumers all we have to tell these companies is Let's not buy the games that are broken messes But the problem is is we don't know until it until they're people that's why you don't buy games You just don't buy day one No one has to buy day one I keep telling people this like when new hardware drops, you don't need it day one Wait until it already has the content that makes it worth a buy. Don't buy it on the promise of content I know people that bought we use on the promise Of zelda and then oh look it's on the next system. Yeah, but you still gotta understand. Yeah No, I want to get it on the next system. Oh, well, then maybe don't buy something until it's coming out like it's It's one of those um I understand by the way why people buy games day one and because I know because there is a joy factor to it Like you can say we're out here. We're all experiencing it at the same time as a community and that does feel special But you know what the review dropped the day before you could have read the reviews and decided if you still wanted to get a day one We knew forespoken was bad before the game came out Yeah Like we knew redfall was going to have issues because they were announcing issues before the game even came out like it's one of these things that We're pretty aware. It's very rare. We go into a game day one and don't know if it's got problems So And then you have something like scarlet violet that happens. It just gets away with it So I mean What are you gonna do just shouldn't have gotten away with it, but they did I was so hyped for scarlet violet like I was like I love pokemon and uh Like my big brother played it growing up and you know That's why we're glasses now because I was playing the game boy advanced with those those dim little I didn't have that so I'm squinting and that's why we're glasses now. I always make that joke but uh I love pokemon and scarlet violet was just such a disappointing and then you can see How you go from rcs to that with the same like I don't know. I don't know how they put their development teams up there, but Oh, man. So the thing about scarlet violet like It has the bones of the greatest pokemon game ever made Super strong story really good gameplay ideas great pokemon designs and moves and like battle mechanics like that's all great Even like the open mechanics are great, but I mean obviously it's The the glitches and and the performance issues, but I think it's a little bit more than that too Because you go to the towns And I thought it was great that there were a lot of towns which was awesome I was like, oh, yes, there's a lot of town just makes it feel like a living breathing world Except when you go into the towns all there is is the gym challenge And maybe a shop or two. Yeah, like you can't go into any of the buildings Like in previous pokemon games every building you can go into and if there's a building with several floors and several windows There will be several floors with several rooms. Yeah, not like that in scotland It almost feels like They want to do that Exactly cut it out because they couldn't get it all in there in time Yeah So and then like there are some really cool parts of the map like um costa royal lake But that has the worst frame rate Like it's not fun to play there because of how bad the frame rate is most of the map is playable There it's unplayable, but otherwise it would have been maybe one of my favorite areas So yeah, I mean I hope maybe like Eventually they do something where it is like scotland violet, but it has A filled map kind of like tears of the kingdom in a way, but to a far Less terrible degree like his breath of the wild had content, right? Like it's not that we play a breath of the wild like oh, man Did nobody played it but it was like, oh, there's nothing to do like no, no, no, no, there's Yeah, but all the homes Even if they're right in them because they'll go in right but in tears of the kingdom They just added like Instead of expanding the map left and right, they're like, you know, let's expand it up and down And go to areas they already existed and add other layers to it that people wouldn't even have thought Which is kind of insane like some towns Even though on the map it looks the same size or not the same size because there's extra caves and wells and Other areas like they just filled up If you haven't gone to hattano village go to hattano village, you know what I haven't I haven't yet Oh hattano is A whole thing I haven't gone to loralin either. You should Absolutely go to loralin. Yeah, loralin is one of my next ones coming up. Yeah, I've got that whole night Is where I haven't done yet. I I kind of I did I started in the middle and just hung around central high rule for like forever Then I eventually did the rito stuff and then I was like, oh, I should go to zora's domain But then for whatever reason I just went north instead to the the deaf mountain And then I went back to the to the heber region where the rito are and then I just started going south And now I'm like, oh, let me finish the the tears of the dragon quest. I'm like, all right time to Time to push north. Yeah Yeah It's interesting how people how we end up tackling games Like we have like a little bit of a plan and and tears of the kingdom. It just blows that plan up most of the time um That's how I finished breath of the wild I actually didn't play it at launch. I played in 2020. Nice pandemic And uh, I literally was just I would set the max number of pens and then go there And then wherever I was set another max number of pens and go there and that's how I played the game And it was amazing Nice. Nice very nice All right, um, let's get into some of the more fun topics Because we get to talk about the future of nintendo everyone Uh, we split her up the two of her things We're going to go software then hardware because software is obviously lots of fun speculating on future games and possibilities Uh, so what is that future lineup? So let's start off with the known things which It's a pretty short list. Are you guys ready?  Yeah. Pikmin Pikmin 4 got delayed. Yeah. Pikmin 4 got delayed and the re-releasing Pikmin 3 deluxe you Yeah, yeah So I wrote it. I was just reading what I wrote. I wrote down Pikmin 3. This is what happens when I'm in a rush Yeah, it happened with the uh, the zeno blade dlc too when I So many people call it future connected instead of future redeemed. I'm like my my last video on it I think I called it future connected like twice. I was like, uh, yeah Yeah, and you corrected me in the pocket.  Did I really just say the last DLC not the current anyways Um, yeah, it happens. They're such common like similar names.  You can go look at nintendo's financial reports if you don't believe me. That's all that's there. There's nothing else um But what we do also know is that for the first time in a very long time nintendo is going to gamescom Which is an e3 like demo event They're also having a nintendo live 2023 at the exact same time as pax west and they're kind of Trying to work out how people can attend both at the same time Um, and uh, they're gonna have demos. They've literally probably you know, we're gonna have game demos here. So Those are things that we know We also know that the usual nintendo insider rumor people like, you know Natrake or jeff grub and others have been kind of hinting that they have heard absolutely nothing I bought a nintendo direct in june Which is usually a typical period of the new directs now gamescom is in august So chances are they got to announce something before that happens because that's after pickman 4 and they won't have anything So they got to announce something before them because we obviously do they know what's happening the second half of the year um, it's like kind of gives us a timetable of The next two and a half months. They've got to potentially announce things So first off, when do we think they're going to and will it be a direct and then uh, How do you think they're gonna position their lineup for this year if we assume there is no new hardware? That's the caveat because the next topic is new hardware. We can dive in so I talked about this about a week or so ago myself. Um I think it's it's interesting you're talking about it now because we just got the playstation showcase So it's kind of like sony's doing like their e3 stuff Yeah, they they did better kick off for the summer. So now it's like, all right. Yeah now we're getting this ball rolling so If i'm not mistaken Andy robinson said that he heard nothing in terms of the content coming late may early june technically that doesn't um Discount the possibility of late june Technically, yeah, right But I think also jeff grub followed up and said that and he was just speculating He clarified he was just speculating this time. He doesn't know but he's speculating that it might be like last year But I personally just agree just because last year while we did only get a partner showcase Which is just like a direct mini with some third party is in the way direct to and and I was gonna say and there was a zeno blade direct, right? um The difference last year though is that we knew about the entire second half lineup already by this time last year We knew about zeno blade. We knew about swatoon pokemon bayonetta and mario rabbits this year. We know about pickman 4 It's a very stark contrast So I don't think nintendo can just get away with a pickman 4 direct and a partner mini I don't think I don't see that happening um, so my take is And to your point about gamescom as well like that are they gonna just go to gamescom with tears of the kingdom Uh, I don't think so DLC for those who listen to just the audio version. I made a really weird sarcastic face Yeah, when I said that um, so my my take is that there will be I I would like it to be a direct because those are more hype and exciting But I think there will be a handful announced of announcements that are like first party nintendo games or at least nintendo published games Um to come out in the second half by mid mid july like that's the deadline Okay Yeah, hopefully a direct I can see july Like I know they're they're they're gonna want a market pickman, but I mean right that's that's that's why I feel like mid mid july is like the latest Yeah, and even if even if it does happen then like I think there's got to be like a pickman 4 update before then Because you don't you don't just talk about it for like until like a week before with nothing Yeah, the only thing I could think of is They could do an august one because games comes like towards the end of august But also that means you're gonna allow your fan base to know nothing after pickman 4 comes out first for like Even if it's just like two weeks. It's like They did that once but that was 2020 when the by the world pandemic. Yeah, that's that was a that was a weird situation Yeah, right. I don't think that's gonna happen I think um nintendo can lean on third parties Because even like we just talked to the playstation showcase a lot of those games are still coming to nintendo They have indies. I play all my indies on nintendo On my switch. I don't play them anywhere else most of the time And also we still have nintendo switch online, which they still want people to like be super invested in We still got game boy games. They could drop. They got a couple more nintendo 64 games. They could drop So honestly, they could give us games even if they're not like new nintendo switch games And they could kind of float themselves into that Gamescom period, but they do have to make some type of announcement for the holiday I mean, I mean what I think pokemon dlc is what we know What is there another dlc that's coming out school two and three Okay, yeah Yeah, there's two more mario kart dlc Mario Kart's dlc. Yeah, right and one of those They can float with content, but I don't think it's gonna be what we want it to be I don't think you can live off dlc, you know No l systems or no nintendo's got a nintendo man. I don't know They gotta have some for the holiday. They have at least one game. Oh, yeah for the holiday They'll have a game, but I don't I know I know we said we like we're Assuming no new hardware Is there is there a world where nintendo drops like a partner showcase In june and then does like a more full-scale like first party direct in late july or early august Or is that just like they'd just do it at the end of july and put everything together Because I don't know if they've ever done that before So there there's another consideration here We always have a september direct always Even in the pandemic year, we had a mario direct and like Multiple nintendo announcements that in 2020 like september is always like a golden month for nintendo announcements So if they if we end up having like a presentation in like late july or august That's not that far away from september And it's to the point where there's no value in having a september direct So i'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that that isn't the case. It could be the case What i'm getting at though is that if it is the case I think it's because nintendo's pattern or flows being thrown out of whack Because they are kind of positioning themselves for a next generation next year So that's why there wouldn't be a typical september direct because they might Maybe they'll have like one big direct in between the typical june or september time Maybe august because it is all about kind of positioning themselves for like a 2024 like kickstart to their next generation like maybe So i'll throw that out there, but otherwise I feel like that they should probably Not wait that long because they still need to have a september direct I just think it's weird that they're going to games come in august And then what would they announce at a september direct if they still had one Like not saying that every game they have would be at games calm But they had okay, so i'll just say this games calm games calm back in 2019 When the last time where they were there they featured multiple new games. They still sat had a september direct So I don't see how it would be how it would be any different But of course i'm going with the assumption that there will be games that they will announce between within the next few weeks Maybe the next month or so to be at games calm to then talk about again in a september direct Yeah I see us I definitely see a september direct Like you said, it's a super important time of the year. Yeah, if they don't do anything in june july Personally because I have tears of the kingdom. I'm like, this is a huge game personally as a fan. I'm like Okay, I see why they may be having kind of a like a like time But if we get announcements since september that set up the holiday season, which is you know, another huge Explosive time for them. I think they're I think they think they're good I don't I just don't know if they have to put out something in june july august time because I mean, I mean they did that when the OLED drop they had their uh, they had the e that was e3, right? They dropped the OLED. Um, I can't remember what was in that announcement The that what it wasn't the OLED announcement was on its own in july Yeah, that was a separate like and then they had already had their Direct that was like here's metroid dread and yeah, they had a typical e3 It wasn't it was an e3 direct and the e3 time, but yeah, they had the OLED trailer afterwards. You're right Yeah, I do agree with dread from that and when we consider a 3 million unicellular we consider I mean, I don't I can't what else was besides dread? They actually actually there was it was a good it was there was a pretty Strong holiday lineup. There was four core nintendo titles between october and november From it correctly. It was mario party superstars metroid prime dread shoving away tensa five and there's a fourth one. It was um Brilliant diamond shining pearl brilliant diamond shining pearl game But it's the best selling of those four games that that was actually a pretty killer lineup for october november That was yeah, yeah two killer but you also have the OLED dropping so you probably positioned that correctly But with the being the the end of the generation and kind of moving towards that that was a great holiday period And then sure in the beginning at the beginning of january. They put out legends arceus, which was arguably the best Metroid dreads my favorite, but like legends arceus is like the number I was over game of the year Yeah, yeah, was that game and then two months later. We got curvy for like that. Oh That was a legendary run period there of just Greatness from like IPs that don't always deliver in that way and it was great. Yeah, yeah um Yeah, it's interesting because like It it kind of feels it like if they're gonna still hit that september if you're hard then you You gotta go june and you just just do it like you normally do But that the thing is and the reason why it doesn't feel like it is because Normally by this point this close to june the insiders have already heard something At least whispers that there's a plan for there to be something and they're not hearing anything that doesn't mean they can't change So we're only entering the beginning of june here soon So it's not it's not as if it's impossible for there to still be something towards the end of june Which is what they did last year But it's it's just a weird position That outside of a pandemic year. We're not used to not knowing anything after july like he just even referenced like last year Before we even had the xenoblade direct before we even had the partner showcase in june We still knew about xenoblade 3 and splatoon 3 as an example two massive games and scarlet and violet We knew about all of that stuff already And we know about pikmin 4 Nate i got breaking news for you. Oh, i haven't said this before If nothing i don't know i'm sorry i'm sorry I knew All right, i'm not lying But i don't know if i can trust it All i'm saying is that someone told me that something pretty hype is happening in the next direct That's all that's literally Well, that doesn't tell me anything Until there's a direct If there's not something hype in the next direct then there's nothing That's so vague and it's also anything.  It's not even well There's gonna be a direct this year like i might i don't doubt there'll be another direct Yeah, it's just when you know like are they are they positioning to still have two or they're just gonna do one Because they're shuffling things around for 2024. All right, so just just so you understand where i'm coming from I am kind of like joking, but it's like with a degree or not But my point is is that like i can't like I basically Someone just made me get excited Right, and that's it. That's all it is. So i'm like, okay. Well, there's something exciting coming But that that's literally it. There's nothing else to it and And that depends on the person is there someone you trust I wouldn't I wouldn't put too much into it the big exciting But i'll tell you what i it's everything one to switch and that's I mean Everybody's is the name Listen, everybody listen. This is this is okay Ignoring the ignoring unfounded untrusted source, right? We already have from a couple credible sources that metric prime force is is is soon So that's a big deal for me. That's a huge deal. Sure For years it's been tears of the kingdom metric prime four. So For me, sure, that's a big deal if you're not a metroid fan Start being one But uh great advice. Yeah, I mean like The thing is metric prime four is known like we know it's coming right Is it gonna land this year? Is it gonna be next year? I don't know, but it's it's coming We know it's coming and obviously we've heard from incredible source that it's done and ready to go and it's just When are they gonna drop it? Uh, it's just totally up to the end There's a lot of there's a lot of things that they try to make make me a cross gen title So none of that's really confirmed. That's all speculation if they want to make a cross gen title Uh, but like that's one of the known games I think metric prime four they and that would be huge if it's in the direct because we haven't actually seen it And then that would make us feel like it's coming out this year and I would agree that's massive But also I know it like You what else you got for me That's still the one that's still the member. There's two games on nintendo's little financial briefing Those are the two games pickman four and metroid. We got more.  We're not we don't come on How many how many different people who I know I know not just me Other there's like I can name a half dozen right now, but but yet How many times did this happen in the games just don't come out? um This is one of the ones it's this is like a pickman three to lux 3d all stars 2d betroid kind of Rumor to me Those are all real by the way that I indicated for like two years and they all came so But I mean Until it actually comes out, you know anything can be shelled Sure You gotta take it with a grain of salt can be canceled. They can be shelled. They can be safe for switch 2 And that would be bad for me by the way My reputation would be bad if it doesn't you put out a because you put out a report I have a couple rumors around f zero one. So like There's there's there's a more shaky paper mario rumor. Um, I'm kind of I'm kind of all right, so Right, so Yeah, so about that. Um I don't want to act like I All i'm gonna say is this I don't I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there There have been a couple times I put on put out speculation videos And then a week or two later I hear a rumor. Oh, this is happening and I'm like, huh Was that just because some people including me started talking about this because it'd be cool Or we were spot on or is it just a bogus rumor? So one of those is thousand-year-door. I was talking about paramount thousand-year-door and then like a week or two later Someone puts out a zippo Yeah, so And what's what's weird is that I don't want to act like people listen to me that much like i'm not that big But if you're looking if you're looking for material You know, there are certain creators that you just like, right There's like maybe 20 or so they kind of upload consistently and if you're if you're looking for material You'll probably pick like one of them or something. So I don't it's happening. All you rumor-mongers out there. I know you're watching my podcast right now Let me just let me just wish this into existence quick You know, I've heard through an imaginary grapevine that a new brand new top-down 2d zel the game is dropping this holiday I'm just yeah, okay Liar, I'm I'm just I'm just trying to keep this in the grapevine So a rumor-monger picks it up and it's like hey zippo new post in two days New zelda game dropping this holiday I know But that but that that is the energy I sometimes get with like some of these rumors, right? So that's why you know Me you know, I I try to be careful about what I talk about and that's the thing I've never talked about as a book because I have Just because he keeps Yeah, you know just kind of mentioned it in passing Yeah, I remember we talked about um samus hunter for a little while and because at first it seemed like they had a good track record They did have a good track record because they were getting their stuff from legit other leakers Right. They couldn't figure out where it was coming from. They were stealing it apparently And then once that well dried up, that's when it started getting really bad Why is how do you go from always being right to always wrong? This this makes no sense when they talk about some tune like they talk about there being a big splatoon tournament when that didn't happen It was like, all right distrust Yeah, there's a number of thousands or they were on the 35th anniversary train too stuff and it's like None of that happened Which I think that that and that's one of those things and i'm out. I wasn't the only one There's a lot of people were like, oh So like Jeff grob was one of the biggest ones for the windbreaker and teleprompter to the ht But he never said specifically it was for the 35th anniversary He just said that they that they're done and then they should be coming But it was just more fuel to that fire that speculation train right and that that train was purely born from the 3d all-star type Because that was for the mar 35th anniversary. So we thought oh, maybe they'll give us a zealot 30th anniversary too Well, it doesn't also help that that and who they did sell the game of watch Yay saying they specifically said that we're celebrating all those 35th anniversary Here's game and watch they said the words they brought it up Granted they brought it up like five months after the 35th anniversary actually happened with you know, whatever Can we factor in switch to into the plan? No In the next when we when we switch over to hardware right so All right, let's for the sake of argument because I have spoilers a video about this. I'm making tomorrow Oh, no, you're spoiling your own content Yeah, yeah but like so What do we think like prime four pick pick for I I'm gonna go on a limb and say that we see but I mean pick one four is confirmed for this year, right? So yeah, I'll go on a limb and say we all see prime four this year Just because there are sources that seem to back it up a little bit And it also like what else is left? So we got that I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna go ahead and say that have zero things legit Right Um, so we got prime four pick one four as you're for the second half. We have pokemon dlc us with tune dlc Do we see tears of the kingdom dlc? Um before the end of the year. No, yes I feel like yes, I'll announce fight fight. Okay I would say it's I don't know. I feel like it could either be at a september direct just to kind of like Bump sales for the holiday. Not that it would wouldn't sell I can see them announcing That we that that you can now pre-order a dlc, but the dlc won't begin till next year It's either at a september direct or they announced it at the game awards Because if tears of the kingdom is not at the game awards. There's no way You know, if it's tears of the kingdom if they know it's a shoe and like we talk about this every year If they know it's a shoe in for game of the year, it would be nice to see the nintendo get back on the game awards Hey, we're gonna actually announce things here now I mean, they did announce stuff last year Technically that was the most involved that was the most involved with the game awards They have been in a while So i'm hoping that's a good sign that we can expect more from the tga is going forward from that Yeah, but the thing is that I could make continually burned by having putting faith in something Well, here's the thing Here's all you need to put faith in Tears of the kingdom will be up for game of the year and that's the discussion for that award That's what you're talking about for that show is will win game of the year and bottom line is yes There will be an orchestration combination of zelda with the other games and it's gonna sound epic Can't wait to hear the saxophone go hard. It's or it'll do. Oh, yeah The saxophone part in they gotta put the sax. He check you that you know, you you gotta put the saxophone part in You're the only one that thinks that um, they didn't do the zeno blade threes um music justice sat in the orchestra I think they did a hundred percent and I will I will fight for that point I know they did the flute thing, but it wasn't the right instrument I know it wasn't the right instrument, but I don't think that's fair because monolith made their own flutes for the game Yeah Yeah, they they basically invented a new instrument for the game and like I might expect an actual Orchestra playing other people's music to just yeah have that there I I can I can take the L in that I can I can can see that they probably did what they could And I just like I just like how it mixes like look for all the things you can say about the game awards I love The music compilation they do for all of the game of the year things right before they reveal Like to me it is one of the most epic moments in gaming because it's like you're hearing Usually you have some sort of stony games some sort of Nintendo games some sort of third party game Sometimes the next box game slips in an indie game And you just kind of get this amalgamation of the entire year of greatness in one quick soundtrack over like five minutes And it's all or like fully orchestrated play live right in front of you. It's so it's such a cool moment It's one thing. I think jeff kealy gets right every year at the game awards is that moment is It's just it's like worth it almost every I love video game music I get so cool regardless of how crappy the show went before them when that when they that orchestra goes right before the game of the year award I'm like, oh Oh This is a wonderful But I'm still we know that we cheers to the kingdom music in it. So that that also and to the music Oh, it does slap that much. I agree with yeah, so yeah for sure um, I think the most hype moment of the game awards for me is when uh, joseph ferris Takes the microphone Any time any time that dude grabs the mic it is my favorite. I remember the infamous moment We're all thinking about everyone alive. That is my favorite game awards moment Ever it trumps the breath of the wild and I love how shocked jeff kealy was when he said and he's like Over the Right, yeah Oh was the best They need to make him a co-host they need to get him drunk and make him a co-host every year By the way By the way, the the guy the bill Clinton kid. How does he constantly show up everywhere? I swear he's not I see him on my youtube short speed all the time. Look. He's just everywhere everywhere Constantly dropping in on live broadcasts where he's not supposed to be All the time he plans it out.  Like shouldn't he be in trouble right now the trespassing or something? Yeah, him and joseph on the save like give them microphones and let them narrate like one of the awards Like that would be amazing All I know is when bill clinton and rabbis are coming up. I'm just what is happening at the game awards I just remember watching that game awards show and going on twitter right after and everyone was like, why is bill clinton trending on twitter? It was one of those things that hey if you hated all the awards, you love the end, right? The end was hilarious Unintendedly hilarious I felt bad for the developers because they were like all japanese developers and had no idea what the hell was going on So I felt kind of really bad like that had to be That's embarrassing for the game awards and for those developers that don't speak english man It was funny. It was funny. It was hilarious But that's the thing you guys are in the game or there's some sort of moment like I remember Even like before the jokes of ferris and in the early days of the game I still remember greg miller's speech when he won like content creator the or whatever when they used to give that out Yeah, he gave a really passionate speech about Um game development and people that don't get recognition. That was a great speech And like so like it feels like there is some sort of moment there every year So it's it's kind of neat jeff kealy's got a weird thing going on with the game awards where there's some great stuff a lot of But you know it's still around and it's been running like a decade. So, you know The viewership numbers are crazy So everyone pays attention like yeah, I heard I heard the peak viewers Uh and uh the game of the year uh music was playing so they were getting ready to announce it I guess the the peak viewership at the time was like 180 million Peaking right at the game of the year award. That's just nuts. Yeah But anyways, um, let's get into what we've been dancing around and that is the new hardware Uh, look, there's clearly new hardware coming. Nintendo's made it very obvious. There's new hardware coming They put it in the slide in 2021. I don't want to hear from the audience So it doesn't exist. Nintendo's told us it exists Okay, they put up a slide in 2021 Saying Nintendo accounts are moving forward to new system coming in 20 xx No codename though, which is interesting because nx codename was announced two years before the switch Do you know the story behind x is recently revealed? Why we knew about the the nx codename? I don't Nate. Please enlighten us. Okay So this was actually revealed by Shintaro Furukawa himself. He talked about it at the investor's meeting They're asking about new hardware. Yeah, they're literally it's the president of nintendo. Like there's no doubting I'm suspicious I'm pressing extra doubt Yeah, he he basically said we were about to announce our partnership with denna For mobile games and they were afraid that there would be a negative reaction From the public and from their investors That they were going to be getting out of the console space So they wanted to let everyone know we still have a new console coming Here's the codename and that's why they put nx out there So he brought this up specifically because he was asked. Hey because we don't know the codename Does this mean the the hardware is really far off and he's like no no no no no That was like a special situation where we were trying to deal with What we thought could be a negative wave of attention with something positive And he's basically saying it don't matter that you don't know the codename You probably won't know the codename before it comes out. That's pretty much what he was saying He's saying like we don't reveal codenames like if you actually go back Through a lot of the days like we knew some like we knew revolution and stuff like that But we actually didn't know the codename for every single system. So there were certain ones until they came out We have a project cafe. Yep Gamecube's project was on dolphin I think n64 was just project 64 or something. Yeah, I think so. I don't know about any codenames for handhelds Yeah, like there are codenames for them But a lot of them came we found out after the system came out because so nintendo is basically for college It's like it doesn't matter that you don't know the codename Because like it's irrelevant. That was a special time We probably won't ever leak a codename again unless we have a reason to do it So he's basically saying don't read into the fact we haven't put a codename out there that we don't have new hardware coming We will release new hardware already and that's basically I mean, that's what that's what it's going to be So like they're going to drop the new hardware when when they're ready to drop the new hardware And we're not probably not going to know the codename. We'll know the name of the system before we know the codename Unless unless it leaks if it leaks from like a developer or something But nintendo 64 codename was n us abbreviation of nintendo ultra 64 Ultra 64. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, what was I was gonna say? I just want to add that like Um, we're if you if you're looking at this situation thinking, oh well If we if we compare every prior system and one nintendo announced their hardware was always well in advance like a year to two years in advance Like a year would be early way back when That's not the nintendo of today. The nintendo of today is let's Announce things and release them with really short turnarounds. So We're definitely already in that territory. Like if this was old nintendo, we already know at least the codename If not more about the system, maybe an actual trailer already This is a much quicker turn around like for example for comparison um Back in at the end of the wee era They actually announced the wii u at e3 2011. It didn't come out for another year and a half Which is insane They showed off a really killer amazing tech demo of like the most amazing Zelda ever until Breath of the Wild And then they released skyward sort of sky not hd just skyward sword Um, and then we waited a whole other year with no gains for until wii u like it was it was a very weird time It contrasts a switch. They announced it in october and it came out at the beginning of march And i wouldn't be surprised if we have an even quicker turnaround this time like maybe less than six months I like that though Because like like I keep talking about the showcase, but I mean, I think I think the last time Sony talked about like they did the 10 game showcase like the year to go or something that game's like 2025 I'm like, what are we talking about those for? 2022 so I really like nintendo's uh short turnaround approach and I feel the same I think they don't want to kind of kind of a lot of sales. I think the switch still is going to sell period even after the next gen switch um, but I think they want to keep it under wraps just Just in case Yeah, I mean I quick turned around I think makes sense in many aspects It people always talk about how you know, well, this is what they used to do. That's cool But look at the rest of the tech industry Everything is super quick. It's announced to release like a month a week. It's crazy fast and That has gotten consumers used to not wanting to wait for products And so you even look at things like the playstation 5. I mean that was announced with less than a year before it came out Uh, I know the xbox was announced almost a year before it came out because they appeared at the game awards But playstation 5 had a much shorter Shot to release and you know, you look at all the revisions all the revisions they do at playstation are always shorter to release So I think nintendo showed Improved with switch as long as you have a really good concept and you have a good library of games It not only doesn't matter when we release the system It doesn't really matter how much time we give that system to setting people's minds What matters is that we just get it out there Like even when you think like we've known about tears of the kingdom since 2019 technically But they really didn't tell us much until the final three weeks And then they took the lid off And it became one of the fastest selling nintendo games ever now granite that had the momentum of the last thing What do you think about this device if it is following in the switch footsteps? It is going to be a switch to type device. It might not be called that Then it is following in the footsteps of a super successful device And my whole thought process with that is if they go that direction, which I think most people sort of assume they will Because nintendo has a history of super successful device. Let's make another one of them try to anyways What can they do with this device to Have it reach the same success as switch because I that's the big question is most of the time nintendo fails At getting the same success as the prior system So what can they do with this? That's what I'm really curious about in this conversation because it might come out this year It might come out next year Yeah, I feel the next 18 months. I feel like is the window like it's coming In the next 18 months by the holiday 2024. We don't have it out I would be so surprised and very disappointed because that means a running switch into the ground like they did with we And I don't want to do that I feel like the short turn around For for hardware, I feel like it helps Switch sales too because if if you're planning if your person is planning on buying a switch and then oh nintendo announced new hardware Maybe I'll wait But if they don't announce it, okay, they buy switch and they're also a person who cares about having the latest and greatest hardware Then the new console gets announced and comes out. Okay. Well, now i'm gonna sell my switch and get the new console You know what? I mean they may not want to hamper Switch sales light in this life cycle try to get, you know, the last few dollars and sales numbers out of it before they go ahead and be like Hey new console, you know I would say I think it just needs to be the switch But better like there's a reason And maybe not as not as a parent now the sony method I mean that's all sony does It works. Yeah Why does that work when nintendo can't seem to make that work? They didn't make it work with the super nintendo They didn't make it work with the wii u You know, there's a lot of times where the 3ds technically half the sales of the ds Was the wii u that much better? nintendo hasn't been able to repeat that success now We can go over individual use cases on the weird wonky ways why it didn't but So when he clearly does something right for their transitions into the what is basically the same system but more powerful You know nintendo hasn't done that well in the past I'd also say there's a reason people keep buying new iphone's There's nothing different about the iphone you just want the newest one like i have an iphone 13 right here just a 14 or 13 I don't even know if you could tell exactly so i think if it's just a switch and it's more Powerful and they say oh, yeah, it runs your games looking better than they already do and It's backwards compatible and all your digital games go forward and you don't have to change your account again I think that in and of itself especially if it's not like oh well now we're asking $500 like if it's 350 or 400 like I don't think that's too hard of a sell because that's all people really want I don't want to have to go out and buy all new accessories for a new switch And then I got to wait for the third party accessories because they're going to be way after like just give me what I have But make it more powerful and make it stronger. That's all I want Yeah, I mean i'm kind of trying to imagine like That trailer that they'll put out for this it'll kind of like really hype us up, right? And I think like maybe they'll like have like maybe new joy cons with more ergonomic grips They won't say hey drift list, but they'll say maybe like new refined design right with more ergonomic grips Maybe they'll tell a more efficient battery life, right? They'll tell 4k visuals better frame rate on the not on the go But you know in docked mode and then maybe they tout just overall better performance in handheld mode Um Themes just throw that Yeah, that's it too much pipe dreams Ask people more powers to go towards pipe dream game For nso No, there's too much money to be made on gamecube remakes. I'm not gonna put about put it on there They're going with the streaming stick you guys are all wrong. You're you're I think you're right, nick Not the switch stick. Yeah, they bought google stadia and now they're they're doing I would be Visibly I would probably Emotionally and metaphorically all ways upset if if the next nintendo system is a usb drive That'd be hilarious I just laughed that that's even a thing they did I might look someday Sure, I could see a future when 90 of the world is on fiber that they decide. Yeah, let's go streaming That is so far away. Still not a handheld device far away So far away, but it won't matter because if we're if the whole world is fiber and the whole world has the best wi-fi ever everywhere So like you'll always be connected If the if the dock becomes a usb Okay, but if the entire system's a usb. No because you still want to have The usb the usb is just a streaming stick. You could just grab your phone and stream your nintendo games off the nintendo app I just had an aneurysm. No wait That's a potential future that might happen before I die without controllers. Oh, well, hopefully you live like You can have controllers if you never hooked up a controller to your phone No, because I don't play games on my phone I have over here. Wait Yeah, where's that backbone? It's really cool It does actually pretty good Xbox controller with my phone. I just like prop it up and go all right. I'm cool. I'm gonna play with my Xbox You use a joy con on your phone You can do that. Yeah. Yeah, you can. Yeah. I have a question. Do we think Switch successor is 4k? No, no I don't think I think they'll Do the thing like how the playstation box you can see it right here in my screen It says 8k, but there's nothing 8k, but like I think it's gonna be like there's like one game like one indie game Yeah, it's it's a the flying game. I figure what it's called and and the tourists tourists. Oh, yeah, I'm too Um, but I think that's it. Yeah, they put 8k on the boxes of that So, so I think um, it will be 4k, but not in true 4k. It's going to be the DLSS. Yeah, the deep learning super sampling So very basically really really really really smart upscaling that other systems don't really have This is my hope. So it's 1440p docked If it can pull that off, then yeah, they're doing 4k DLSS all day. It'll look gorgeous Because 1440p looks so good with DLSS 4k 1080p looks a little rough around the edges, but here's it. Let me rephrase though I agree. I agree with you say around I think it'll be DLSS to get to 4k, but to your point I think it'll be up to 4k, but it'll be a case by They'll put 4k on the damn box. Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna say up to they're just gonna say 4k Just like the way I see it It says 8k for ps5. Yeah The way I see it is like how they're the way they're marking it is how do I get the kid to tell their mom or dad the buzzword Or what's the buzzword and 4k is the buzzword right now? There's nothing better Like they don't the average person doesn't know what ak is, you know Um, yeah, but I mean they might I really don't I work in it, you know work with average people And they don't know what ak is because it's not why it's available ak displays are like very hard to get super expensive Yeah, ridiculous So I think it's going to be what's the buzzword I think 4k is going to be a buzzword if if if we as gamers can like encourage the marketing teams to find a buzzword for High frame rates But it's hard to market that 60 fps everything Please No system promises that but come on So an argument that's made in the past is that Because all its sales are the strongest of all the different skus for switch that bodes well for a more standardized just kind of like switch to kind of device because it shows that people are willing to just Have a better version of what we have now So if they give a proper next gen Potentially it could go over really well I also think a big selling point would be hey all of those like 60 games you already own They'll look better on the new thing and you just have to Even without or without they'll just alone just automatically applying to them would be sick There's still they still have to be patched for for to take advantage of dls s not all of it Not all of it. You I'll give you that example though. This is fsr um on One doesn't really do that much no no no no no no no on steam deck with the fsr 2.0 and stuff You can actually just turn it off for games. I don't have it And it makes it better so like that's the difference the tech is there like and this is a hardware level Uh thing that's happening. So dls s is different. You don't actually need to program it into a game for dls dls s is hardware level not software level so Yeah, they all they have to do is just let it happen And now that doesn't mean the games will look magically better But imagine that like oh your game that is Say you're playing witcher 3 and you're like 4 20p or whatever and handheld Well now with dls s you're getting full 720p on that screen It looks so much sharper so much better and that can be the promise that it's like hey We're not talking about taking those old games to 4k without a patch, but we can Bump just everything up to where you should want it to be 1080p and 720p and have it look clean Even if it's using dynamic resolution scaling which by the way the more powerful hardware That alone should make the dynamic resolution scale stay at the top shouldn't it i'm just You would think if it functions correctly, but i didn't program those games to know how that works I think the tougher question to ask though is that we can say oh it's gonna have better graphics It's a better performance But sure that's just that's just all okay. Let's just make it better But is there anything they're gonna bring you to the table? Sure, but To the point you brought up earlier nintendo while they have always they've so okay to your example super nintendo That one was kind of basically like an nes2, but it had It was four controllers, right? I think that was the innovation Four players Or is that no that was n64 n64 Yeah, no it had four it had the four face buttons instead of two and then it had the other buttons Yeah, so it added four more buttons man And n64 was an actual okay, but that's a whole other conversation Not a joystick and it's n64 was a beast of innovation, but um Exciting that one we have we you Which they yes, they tried to follow up on we but it was totally botched. It was a we for you it Yeah, um, that's what it said. So they told me this is the we but for you I think it was just an example of the time of how auto touch nintendo was with with like the we was was dead Like people who cared about the we like the sale powerful system Yeah early on power with the 360 and i'm there got the xbox one the next year Which by the way the xbox one wasn't that great, but anyways moving on 3ds didn't do as as good as ds, but it was still A solid system. Well, here's what i'll say 3ds sales are incredible But to understand context if you actually look at nintendo's handheld sales It's the worst selling handheld they've ever released Which is saying something Because that just means all their other handhelds sold that much more It didn't be game boy advance that was only out for like four years or something. Nope I'm gonna go check their nintendo ir website because the 3ds has the best pokemon games of all time sun and moon So why wouldn't it sell like hotcakes? Talking about you in the sun and moon park gold I love son I keep forgetting how poorly the 3ds did like financially Because i'm totally blinded by the fact that that was my first nintendo like Console I guess uh well like And I love I loved that that was my thing. So yeah, so let's look at let's like if you look at how they classify it Um, so obviously obviously the 3ds sold 75.94 million. That's no longer being made right now. So You want to round it the 76 million fine, but it you know, because there might be a few fans of the 81 Yeah, yeah game boy the game boy advance had had 81 game boy was 118 Now granted people think it's cheating because they can mind color in but whatever that's how nintendo counts it So when you look at that in obviously ds is what it is Um, one yeah, like it's the worst selling handheld they've ever released. So it's crazy It's just crazy. Did we count virtual boy be playstation 3 is the worst selling console that playstation's ever released It's crazy Because the 3ds had I mean a link between worlds that had Animal crossing the animal crossing game on there was the best animal crossing game hours into that Honestly, yeah, I love new horizons, but new leaf. I put way more hours in that I mean You had Seven was Street street fighter, um the monster hunter games It sold 391 million pieces of software and despite selling 6 million less than game boy advanced that actually sold more software than game boy advanced So it made more money We don't really know what the profit margins are and everything the nintendo doesn't doesn't separate out the more expensive system But also inflation. Yeah, we it's really it's really hard to know Uh, but also, you know, you look at it as like ds doubled the sales of that but then more than doubled the sales of software So like it was a massive drop-off from the prior generation Uh, and obviously it's the worst like people always get mad at me. What do you mean? I'm like, it's just the fact that it's the worst selling it doesn't it doesn't mean it was bad It's just there was also We went 3ds for the worst selling home consoles for nintendo consoles for nintendo and it happened at the same time There's a reason they lost money for a couple of years because It's technically a lot worse to live systems. Yeah from from we to ds. They're most successful for each platform Yeah, ever to their lease. That's that's that's like it's crazy Yeah, it literally lost almost all momentum basically like just gone But i'm hateful that the ds was so good Now sony hasn't figured it out with handhelds, but with home consoles, man They just know how to maintain the audience system the system the system So like when i'm looking at this I keep going like well, what can nintendo do to do that? And I don't know what sony's trick is because most of the time they're just giving you a more powerful Yeah, they did innovate with the controller this time. I still don't think that's what sold the ps5 I have it's confidence in the product exclusives for sony over xbox You know sony exclusives are touted as being better than microsoft's time over time Well, we're talking about nintendo and sony at this point. We're gonna talk about microsoft. Sorry microsoft you're Yeah, I got a theory for you guys. Um So, I mean something that that kind of occurs to me as we talk about this right like Then as you just noted nate, um the handhelds have always done well even the 3ds that was the least Successful still really good like that was nintendo's bread and butter for that generation because of how unsuccessful the we was and the switch is a hybrid So if we just look at it from a handheld perspective nintendo's never missed Right, so we got that kind of going but then also My theory is That maybe one of the other factors that perhaps we don't consider as much as to why the switch is so successful It's because It's both a home console and a handheld So before and there were generations where there are some people who would just go with a home console for the generation Or just go with a handle for a generation Because the switch is what it is It brings in all type of nintendo fan Because there are a lot of people who just gained on 3ds During that time and just ignored we you With with switch too, it's gonna get it's gonna get every any nintendo. You know you ever ignored we you Hey, hey, there's 13 million. I was one of them. I bought multiple of them. We stood strong Yeah, I love to we you I logged so many hours into hyrule warriors on that way you But i'm also someone that I own I think it's more likely that everyone that owned a we you owned a 3ds as well Oh, yeah, I would say I I own multiple 3ds during the lifetime of the we you and I only own one way you Yeah So it's just one of those things like you look at the next fiber. How can they do? I'll see shorter route announcement to release is nice, but You know And I've thought about this In a live stream before things like What does sony do to help maintain momentum? Yeah, they got brand loyalty But how did they get that brand loyalty because they just do things different like nintendo Has always sent systems to die before they release a new one. That's just what they do Whether it's given us 16 months announcing we you to the release of The system coming out Always and then and well, what what when did they send the system to die before they released a new one? Gameboy advance to ds Sure I I'll give you the game boy advance to ds. That was an interesting situation because they they weren't sure that ds was gonna take off so But it was still different like they weren't sure like they weren't ready to abandon game boy yet Like they had a backup plan if ds didn't work Well, I think that was I think I'm just saying like they might have a plan I'm very curious what what that what the new game boy was gonna be if that failed, but I I think there's if anything well, I mean we you there wasn't really a backup plan. They just No, they just they thought they legitimately came awada Legitimately said this is gonna sell 100 million units again. I'm just like Hmm So about that I mean, I kind of I kind of get I kind of they were very confident There are times I upload a video. I'm like, all right, this video is gonna do really well And then it doesn't it then it doesn't yeah exactly look Sony does a few things that nintendo doesn't do like when I say nintendo sends systems to die Um, they generally do not keep a very strong lineup in the last year of the of the system It's just something nintendo just doesn't do sure maybe pokemon still comes out because pokemon company Usually is one of the last major ip's to shift over to a new hardware because they like to have They like to have more uh system sold before they drop their games. That's just the way they are They don't like to be the game that sells the systems and that's fine That's just the way the pokemon company's always been but in general like hey the last year of we leading into we you Didn't have anything really no system sellers They saved everything for we you which feels weird because then we you didn't necessarily have that much either But that's a whole we you think they did the same thing with the nintendo entertainment system They did the same thing with the super nintendo to the n64 the n64 to the game cube Etc etc etc that final year. They just didn't release big games sony's the opposite They'll announce a playstation 5 and still drop goes to shishima They'll announce a playstation 5 and still give you last of us part 2 Like they keep dropping big games even if a new system's announced like they don't go We're gonna delay this game for the next system. No, we're not It's ready We're dropping it and that has created this customer loyalty because customers know if I buy a ps5 day 1 Even if it doesn't have games now I know through consistency through ps1 2 3 and 4 That they are going to support this thing all the way to the end Still waiting for final fantasy so they feel confident buying the system even if it doesn't have the game They have now because sony's created That confidence and support nintendo is always like we front load and then let systems die. That's sort of been their Mantra now it has been different with switch They didn't just front load the interest back load or mid load. It's a combo system It has their handheld and home console and one system. It's created much more consistent release schedules But that's still that fear Oh if we got a bank games to have a killer year 1 2017 lineup for that next system Then at some point you stop releasing games for the other system And that's a very different mentality than sony has So I always question how can nintendo transition without losing momentum or maintaining momentum And it takes a different mindset and we know that nintendo is thinking about it Because shifu kawa said in his first few You know public talks with the with the investors. Hey, I've been here. I've seen the cliff We don't want the cliff to happen again. We don't want to fall off But then they never really have given us any strategies Yet on how they're going to prevent that fall off when switching to new hardware And the only example we have that's been consistent is sony But I don't know that nintendo is going to do the sony thing where they Still like look, I'll give them this if the new hardware comes this year Okay, they did drop tears in the kingdom. It will not and that's a bit of a sony move That's a bit of a we didn't delay this for launch We still gave it to you the same year that we were launching new hardware But it's not going to come this year But yeah, that's a if it comes this year Then maybe they've done it but we'll how long do you think the switch is going to cross chin over into the next generation? Next generation switch I think I think they I think they're quick to cut because I mean ps4 is still getting support In like 2024, I think like early 2024. It's kind of crazy I think nintendo does a hard kind of like hard cut as well You know at first for like this like throughout most of this year and last year I was thinking that switch was going to have two to three years of support afterwards But if switch two doesn't come out this year I do kind of start to I think I might be inclined to agree with you because like the longer your weight The easier it is to have that cutoff so um and especially like if they want Well, you know as we're kind of talking but like what can nintendo do to kind of make sure the next system is successful Maybe it is exclusives.  They're going to wait a little bit longer So that way when it is exclusive, we're not as angry about it and when I say we I mean The general masses because I'm gonna buy whatever nintendo does. It was like legit. Oh, yeah day one pre order For sure. I'm gonna try to get it before day one if they let me so now that eric's back eric. Yeah, what would you do? with this hardware like what how would you transition to the next The next thing buy a next box Um, no, I I'd like to see something, you know and bare minimum as powerful as the steam deck um bare minimum um, but to transition I mean I don't think they have to change much they they they've got a system that works and if You know, you kind of keep the same things as you have but just kind of make them again Obviously what's been said make them better um with at least a bare minimum of The steam deck power if not a little bit more because I'd like to see them. I'll paste that Um, which is doable now with you know the new technology Um, that's kind of where I would go with that one. Just kind of I like the way the switch plays I like what it does Like to see it, you know, just be a little bit better Has to have backwards compatibility. Yes. Yes, 100% Yeah So do we think they're gonna do the cross-gen thing for a while? Yeah, I think for a year Just so the nintendo's never really done it They haven't done it and I don't see him doing it now really They've done it at launch that's about about it and even then it wasn't cross-gen It was two different versions of the same game. I think they do it now for a year just because like we've said There's PlayStation who continually does it and that's how you build that brand loyalty that you were talking about Is not making people feel like they need to be their day one like yes I want to get this more powerful system eventually But I don't need to get it right this second like I don't need to go get the iphone 17 or whatever number they're on but eventually I will have to go out and get it so I think it's a gradual thing and that also Would that not also help with like to keep things in stock because then you don't have everyone Rushing to get it and it kind of helps the supply chain just a little bit And kind of spreads it out over a longer period of time I feel like If they have a mario game at launch It'll be cross-gen But after that like six months later and that's it You know, I I feel like you know if you know if you want to play our new games Get our new system. I feel like that's going to be their mo Yeah Like here's my thing. I don't know if they're going to do cross-gen or not for I think it'd be smart I think it's another takeaway they can have from From sony is that they do do cross-gen But nintendo has always been this big believer that our games sell the systems and to do cross-gen would mean that you are saying I don't need Exclusive games to sell the system and I don't know that nintendo fully believes that what I do think is If they if they go cross-gen and this might be the smart move sure have a big exclusive at launch Whatever it is like if you're going to have a mario kart game coming out that doesn't need to be cross-gen Like that could just be on that system. Oh, if you're gonna wet new mario kart is no way It's going to be cross-gen. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah So like that would be one example where okay that one it doesn't really need to be cross-gen But let's say they drop a 3d mario game to launch the system You could be leaving a lot of sales by not having to cross-gen But also that can sell a system But then what you need to do is you need to pair it with Something else at launch that is cross-gen and this is where I bring up the whole metro prime 4 thing Where that could be a cross-gen title. That's also their date one That's better on the new system But you're still on the old system and then you create that expectation that maybe nintendo will have a And they could even announce by then that we were hey our next We're also going to launch in year one of the new system a new I don't know. Let's say paper mario and we're going to have that be cross-gen A new luigi's mansion. Let's have that be cross-gen But then say their big holiday game would be I don't know a splatoon 4 or something like that That's going to only be here They like a mix of cross-gen and not cross-gen and make you feel like oh We need the new system for these games But also nintendo's still giving us some goods on the old which is not what sony does by the way Miles Morales was their big launch game You could play it on ps4 Um, they technically gave us dark soul remastered as one as well. But again, that was a remaster So it's interesting because that is still different than what sony does and I don't even know if it'll work I think they also do um Kind of like like they could drop mitra prime 4 This year sure and there'll be a next-gen switch version because retro studios We see what they did with uh mitra primary master. They can do it. They can drop a very nice Current gen switch game then take six months finish working on iron out the next gen thing And then drop that at launch because me I would buy both. I love mitra Right, right. Yeah, yeah, you know if you're someone who was like I didn't even have a switch I was thinking of like then get it launched the double whammy where you hit on the larger audience of mario Then you hit on the more core audience with you know with the metro Yeah, because like they did that if you think about we like we sports were sort of like Hey, we're in a broad audience of that but then we also try that princess. That's a cross gen title, you know But you know, I think it's interesting kind of like thinking about like the history of nintendo and how they've transitioned And like it's your point Nate like they've done a great job of being terrible at transitions Um, especially especially after successful systems Well, and it's almost like they do it by intention, right? Like it's almost like they wait So people lose interest So they can just do a like a like a cold turkey switch over Because like we was dead for at least a year when they transitioned over like that last like his nintendo This is why it's very hard to predict what's going to happen because typical nintendo historical nintendo is Droughts especially on the tail end of a systems lifecycle And that drought sort of facilitates a new console launch People are ready to move on by that point because there are no games coming already But the difference for switch is that There is no such thing as droughts. We get a we get a published nintendo title Almost every month and if we account for averages, I think it's more than one per month Obviously some things are smaller than others but point is it's a very consistent schedule So If nintendo were to all of a sudden go back to old nintendo and just start having droughts Just so they can have a cold turkey switch over to switch too That would be very I mean, I think it's gonna it's gonna throw everyone for a loop, right? Like I like yes right now We don't know about much beyond pikmin 4 But I still I personally believe that they're not gonna just stop I don't think they're gonna stop. I think they're gonna continue coming out with games But maybe maybe this is a sign that they are gonna have a drought And they're gonna have a drought because they are just gonna You know as a moment to transition over.  It's a failure. It's just gonna tank. I'm sorry The we've seen this we talked too much about games and stuff If there's so much media around games now that you can't have that drought and then because the push is the push isn't We want games give us games the push is people like us who constantly talk about nintendo and push The the general audience to what we think is cool. Like I think that is they have they can't have a drought They have a drought. It is they're done. Yeah, it's cooked yeah So, I mean, I guess with that in mind, right if there isn't a drought then that's right I think that sort of supports the idea that they do have to have At least a little bit of cross gem stuff Yeah, that's why it's tricky because I'm not sure I I feel like the if they It also depends on how they market the next system, right? Because if they market the next system, it's more of like a deluxe version Right a switch where it's fully backwards compatible and it does all these things and it has some exclusive at first We mostly third-party stuff and just enhanced looking and performing nintendo games I think that'll work out because at first they're probably going to be it's can probably really top for them to even like maintain stock It's going to have high demand. They're not going to be able to meet to meet that demand at first That's usually how most console launches are so having an exclusive at first may not even matter Because they're going to not they're not going to really need that extra push having the exclusives in that second or third or that second or third year where They you know the supply and demand are starting to equal out. That's when it kind of Makes more sense. Maybe so maybe that's the direction we're going to go, but It's nintendo. So they're really hard to predict. I mean, that's that's the sony way The third year is when they start to give you the exclusives everything else is cross gen and a really strong end to the prior gen And I don't know that nintendo's willing to do that that would be great That that helps that transit. I mean sony's proven That's how you transition Very very very happy until they can readily get their hands on the new system I don't know what's the third party, but like the new assassin's creed game is releasing on Last gen and current gen consoles. Yep No switch, you know and and how long how long is the the ps5 and ps4 been coexisting for And the new assassin's creed game is still coming out on both systems You know to be fair that's like the longest in development assassin's creed game like ever So they started making that on like ps4 right, but even the latest call of duty title Like, you know ps4 I I play with a friend that still is an xbox one and he's totally happy with it Totally happy with it. Tell him to get xbox one x man. It's time to upgrade Hey, it really is it really is time to get a series x But you know and attendant owners don't have that luxury of just keeping the old system around Let's get him a series s just happy birthday The series s is a great option. It's a great option. I thought about it All right, I got one. It's nice. It's great. I love it He's gonna have to get a memory card, but I mean At this point, I'm gonna have to do that for no matter what you buy. Yeah, the games are so massive Here's my crackpot theory. I think I think I figured Nintendo out I think Here we go. Let's see in in we got it down. It's on lock.  Are you seeing switch in july? We get the big nintendo switch to Presentation or whatever that announces the new hardware And then they show the hardware at gamescom in august and then we get our normal september direct with all of the games That are going to be on the new console And it's dropping the solid I assume at this point. Yeah That has been a thought of mine for quite some time and I love it I just I wish The only thing that that gives me pause are like the insiders that are like nintendo recall dev units Okay, well then Then this thing's not this year, but then there's oh, but what about that person? I'm for chant That's one of the pokemon dlc updates. It's gonna be a graphics enhancement patch for the new system And it's like hasn't been de-confirmed And everything else they said was right. Like oh, maybe they all the theory is oh, they threw that in to throw people out So they were 100 right on everything But this one little detail that they did to throw the scent off them I mean some people do stuff like that though, but you get they gave such exact detail like Here's the other. Well, here's here's something else to consider all that Yeah, the the the reality situation is is that both can be right and both can be wrong Because it could maybe the case that when that person said that it was based off legitimate information But plans it sounded like where work it sounded like you're like, I'm working on that like this is stuff Sure, sure, but that doesn't mean that it can't still be pushed out till later Like maybe that one point they were aiming for for a holiday 2020 release and they had to push it I'm talking about switch to Being a holiday 2023 release, right? So my point is is that they may push it up and it may just be content That's ready and waiting for that time I you know what Just because of nick barrett. I'm staying on the 2023 train. I'm I'm saying I'm saying Forget the insiders forget the digital foundry. Oh, they recalled you are not a developer. You don't know Nintendo will notoriously screw over third-party companies and just do their own thing. So don't worry about it The only company that probably has a legitimate one right now is capcom And we're gonna get some sort of monster hunter thing at launch. So let's go. Yeah, or resident evil Yeah, that whole rumored resident evil game. They moved into next gen. Let's go Hogwarts legacy. Why do you think it was delayed? They found out the new switch is coming this november. Let's go Let's go I'm still telling my friends to go buy a switch if they want one. I'm sorry Here's the thing You shouldn't buy it What did I say earlier? Unless it already has the games to justify the purchase that's rarely true at launch rarely is that true at launch I mean an Indian Samuel a with the five dollars you're saying do you wait till holiday 2024 to really switch to Or is it gonna be early 2024 even late 2023? Well, I'm in the late 2023 van I'm staying late 2023. Where are you guys at? We need it to be there Where are we feeling holiday? I'm not gonna be holiday Yeah, mid 2024 summer They could do it. They could do an OLED time frame. How they did with the OLED But we're two years out from an OLED the OLED was announced in july and Here we go. There is a just saying why would they why would they need to go to the OLED now? So maybe they're doing a switch light OLED guys. That's what it is Could you imagine if we're only like, oh my gosh, it's switching out guys a new We're charging you $50 more. Have a good day Honestly that it could work. I could buy it. I think it's pretty good. But here's the thing It would be a great to demonstrate So I know the OLED right instantly became the the best the number one selling system When after it came out But system sales still were dipping like it didn't turn around the system sales dip So it's like if they're trying to turn sales around it doesn't really turn it around It just replaces sales. You're already going to get anyways So it's kind of like it's not really going to make things better I mean it will for people who buy the switch light I guess if you want to spend $50 more for some reason, I just don't feel like they're gonna do that I think they like that budget system What do you guys think about that report out there about supposedly LCD screens might be what they use of the next system We have no idea what it's for For an unannounced gaming platform There are so many gaming platforms technically that just we don't care about like think about how there's so many switch lookalikes There are so many of this I can understand if they go with lcd because it is technically cheaper than OLED I can understand if they went with it because of the power packed in to make it affordable Like if we can cut 20 bucks off the price by going with lcd make it more consumer friendly that way Because we packed in better hardware I would prefer that sacrifice. I mean look at look at all those power Like you just mentioned look at all these look at the steam day and all of them are using lcd's Why because OLED adds too much to the price But can they go back to lcd? That's so hard. That's what's so hard A new type of lcd that can kind of compare Many leds really good too That's also that's also not cheap. Doesn't apple use that an ipad or something Um, I'm not sure they've been using retina displays whatever technology that is. I don't know I mean if you got a nice display that's technically lcd That's like proprietary like how like to say apple has the retinas which it looked really good even though the lcd technically sure but That they shouldn't I know I love it so much But also it's like yeah But if I get a little extra power because you did that and it's you kept the price at under 400 All right To go back to the sharp thing. Do we know what screen is going on that new playstation thing? That'd be what that was for That's what I don't think anything about it. It's it's it's for the the queue It's right.  I really hate that Well, no, it's more comparable to we you than it is switch Well, yeah, I was gonna say oh sony answered switch I'm giving you a game pad. Congrats. I didn't watch the showcase like I just know there's less functionality than the game pad by the way I can't use it as tv remote You don't know that yet They've got a tv button on there.  Don't worry about it um so I just looking at my little notes on the discussion point for this lcd lcd. Yeah, yeah um Do we How do I phrase this and I'm trying to find a way to phrase this that doesn't sound stupid Because I what I was about to say was going to make me look like the dumbest person in the world So, let me give me a moment to think about this while I'm thinking about this I haven't told you what I when I think what do you guys should while I'm thinking about what I was going to say In a way to phrase that it doesn't sound so stupid. What do you think the launch? Game should be It's mario mario After the mario movie made a billion dollars.  See I was trying to get a filler one in there. Well, I'm think No matter what I say, I'm sound dumb right now. All right, Eric come up with the question Next to me you feel dumb I could just make a point while you think because there's something I wanted to get at Because I actually didn't kind of express my thoughts on when I think switch to has come out to stay quiet Because I mean, I've been back and forth on it with you for the last yeah for a while. Yeah And it's one of those things where I feel that there are a lot of signs suggesting that something is around the corner But at the same time There isn't any hard evidence that it's happening this year You know, um, like when all the insiders are not saying it's coming this year It's really hard. Then again all the insiders said switch pro and we never got that. I'm just That's right. Oh, it was the pro. All the insiders took a massive fat l last time they talked to one They did they did it is so maybe they're about to take another fat l that they really don't know what's going on But how often is it the case that it's the other way around? Where when it's when it's insiders say hey, we're going to get some Nobody knew that was dropping People knew it was done. Nobody knew that it was that shadow drop was out of nowhere Well, that's just because it kind of waited until beyond they made way too long that we gave up on expecting it But it's not just that they gave up. There wasn't a single insider that said it was dropping at that direct Well, I can't I'm not an insider, but I did Yeah, yeah, yeah, see Get out of here with your prediction, but I also predicted it every direct, so I'm gonna throw out what I was gonna say because it's just dumb, but here's the here's one We do know that regardless of what happens Nintendo is gonna try to do something different with it. Okay Something different. I don't know what it's gonna be Because like we kind of say it just needs to be a more powerful thing with like better joy cons or whatever and Call it a day and most of us would be really really happy and that's the sony way But every now and then sony will do something different as well such as with the dual sounds controller so What is going to be that different thing because nintendo has never released a platform Without there being something different. Just it's never exactly the same. I got it. You're ready. Are you ready? You ready for this? I don't think you're ready for this. You're not ready for this They're going to umd discs Clamshale, I keep telling you guys. Oh, here we go a ds These are all these are all fantastic ideas, but i'm gonna throw you guys for a loop All right, let's play paint a little bit of a picture first Oh, I love this All right, so tears of the kingdom We don't know when dlc is coming I do in my heart I don't know. I don't know But but I I I kind of feel like they're gonna save um tears of the kingdom dlc for switch too Okay, um With you so maybe maybe even exclusives like it might be like a big dlc adventure a year you two years down the road Like maybe we'll see we'll see um But the the bigger point to make here is you look at tears of the kingdom you look at the new Audio technology they have for that game the sound effects are on another level When you go underground in the depths and you put on a headset it is an experience Not only is it like just super cool and there's so many sound effects, but it's scary Right like it is it is a little bit of a horror element And now you consider these rumors of metric prime 4 right and then there's a there's a talk about what Prime 4 in some way or form be related switch to as well And metroid the metric series historically has a little bit of a horror element too So what if prime 4 and tears of the kingdom do have some sort of switch to version down the road And it's not just about Better graphics better performance There's another factor. There are actually a few other factors They will improve the hd rumble But not only will they improve the hd rumble not only will the controllers be more ergonomic and just maybe yeah They'll just fit a little bit better, but also They will sport technology That will be something that they have been building on for years And the initial concepts would be something we we know as The vitality sensor They're gonna bring it back The controllers will measure Our heartbeat and there will be games built around that There will be a the metroid zelda There will be horror elements that are measuring our heart rate And it'll be throwing in elements like that to really throw us for a loop But better yet it'll go beyond that too. They'll even have a sports title And I'll be measuring our heart rate with that as well So that's intended enough to work it Yeah, but improved hd rumble Sensor of the generation that will never be It'll never be used but it but it will be really cool I think I first week you're setting up that just about what I'm thinking too. Um I think this is gonna be the um system of peripherals. So like ar um vr I work really well vitality It needs a camera. Yeah Okay, just make a camera on the back of it. Yeah, right on the back of the Or poor Yeah, yeah, put a giant camera on the back Look, they did it on ds and 3ds Yeah, I think it's just a it's gonna be a system of peripherals with with ar vr The vitality sensor things like that. I I think it's gonna be a a peripheral um laden's uh system Which again would fits well with switch 2 again. I keep going back to switch to vr switch to see like peripheral Is typically not like an out-of-the-box ch