Quick introduction, myself, I am Sart Rowe. I'm working with Northwest Justice Project on lsntap.org to put together a series of remote work webinars. This is the second to last one. We've got one more coming up on how to do security audits. We have today with us, Miguel Willis of ATJ Tech Fellows. Super to have him here, one of the most incredible people in the community at getting law students involved in legal aid organizations. My last year of law school, I was looking for an internship for myself. Miguel Willis crowdfunded and went to competitions and funded 10 of those for different students and has been doing that every year after year since then. So he's got extensive experience working with law students, placing them in legal services organizations, some of those remote and some of those in person. Wonderful, super happy to have him here today. Well, it's definitely a pleasure to be here today. And I'm definitely looking forward to this discussion and conversation and hopefully to hear from some of you all. And as we walk through this stuff, Miguel, at any time that you've got extra tips before we move to your presentation, please just jump in with us. We're gonna start kind of chronologically excellent. On-boarding, setting things up to be successful from the very beginning. Make sure that you've got all your agreements in place, your confidentiality agreements, your expectations, which we've got a separate section on this, all of your HR documents, your bring your own device policy. We have a sample bring your own device policy that's over on LSNTAP.org, but especially with remote work, that's one of the most important. And then however you are doing timekeeping, whether that's through your case management system, whether that's through something that is free, some way for your intern to keep track of that time so that you're able to sign off on that, whether they're getting credit or not. This is also a great opportunity to introduce your intern to your digital signature platform. Put all of these documents up on the digital signature platform. Right after orientation, have them digitally sign it, but turn it into a two-way experience. Have your intern write up what their expectations and their goals are, and then give them the access to put that up directly onto the digital signature platform so that you sign off on it and you see it. This could even be a way to use whatever your online collaboration tool is to go back and forth over those goals or expectations, but that onboarding process needs to include both all of the required HR stuff, but also a way to get those expectations and ground rules there for moving forward. Any other, any tips that you really have on that onboarding process? Cause I know you've done some like intensive stuff before individuals even get to organizations. Yeah, just, I think communication is key.  And definitely in terms of, I think you hit everything in terms of HR, make sure you have that start date, make sure you have all the information. I think one thing some students have, well, they will have like credit, they will receive credit for their externship or internship, make sure you have all of that information. Also some students have additional funding or stipends. I think that's something that you'll want to clear out with, you know, see how that works administratively with the function of your HR. Tax implications of their, you know, pay, it's something that you'll want to explicitly communicate to that student, whether that student will be 1099 or W2, I think it's really good to get that information out there. Yes, a lot of internships or fellowships have things that the supervisor must do in order to move payment forward for a law student. And the last thing you want is the missing rent. I mean, it's gonna give them some housing experience, but it might not be the most positive one at that point. IT support, get your IT team involved. If you do not have an IT team, then make sure that there is somebody who is put as their case point individual with IT in particular, have a list of all of the technology that they need to install at the very beginning or that they need access to. How do you edit legal documents? Is that word, which is most common in the industry or do you use Google Docs or do you use some open source option that's out there? Security, we're gonna cover more in depth coming up. Case management systems, make sure that they have the access that they need at the level that they need. Online access to records, here in Washington state, that often means getting someone access to Tyler's Odyssey and making sure that they have a way to access those things. Do you have examples, form letters, brief banks, places that the intern can look to learn from the work product of others? How can they get access to that? And then how are you doing document sharing? Are you sending back and forth full drafts? Are you using box or OneDrive, some type of secure online system for that sharing? Just a one page list of all of the technology that they should start to familiarize themselves with. And on that technology list, list what it is, list why they need it, five or six words. The link to where they can get it and then who they go to for support if something doesn't work. And I would have after this a second group of practical things related to real cases to use each piece of this technology. Because if they install it on day one and they need to use it on day 45, if they haven't already practically used it, they gotta start over. And if it's just a hypothetical, it doesn't work as well. It needs to be something practical. And I would just add, Sart, that most of the companies or software vendors and solutions, they have demo videos in a knowledge library. Definitely provide access or information in terms of routing that student to where they can learn demos. It makes no sense to create this your own. Demo of how they can use the solution if they're already great examples and demos out there. Just to say that step, sometimes individuals will kind of assume that because you're dealing with the millennial generation and kind of tech savvy interns that we just understand every piece of technology. So it's good to provide that extra advice. So there's a question about the links to the documents on lsntap.org. When we get to Miguel's presentation, I will grab those links and add them into the chat. Additionally, there are four handouts that are available here. There's a copy of the presentation as PowerPoint. There's tips for telecommuting. There's a goal chart and supervisor agreement sample and there's a written evaluation for student performance. Those three samples are actually samples that we used from Seattle University Law. They have an externship program that I was an extern in and that now my nonprofit firm also participates in and they have wonderful examples out there. They have a social justice mission and are very active in placing students in legal services organizations. Video, set up a way to talk with your interns via video. Face-to-face video, the simplest solution that I'm strongly recommending at this point is Zoom. Zoom did have some security concerns about two months ago. Zoom has worked very actively in taking care of those security concerns. If individuals are interested in setting up their own video server, GC is another alternative. It does take a techie to it. But, and then familiarize them with those security options so that you can lock the room so that nobody else randomly appears into it. That option is now even available on their free platform. Also talk to the courts and see what they're doing with regards to video. Some of the courts around here are actually using Zoom to do meetings and some of those are open to the public. Court call is the most prevalent technology that I've seen used in the courts and there are some courts that are allowing individuals from the public to attend those hearings. So if there is a way to access or attend a hearing, one of the first things that I did with in-person interns was always send them over to the courthouse to go look at the housing docket, to go look at the family law docket, spend a day or two just going to court and writing up summaries of what they learned and questions that they had related to those cases where they didn't know what was going on. If there was an objection and they didn't understand why that type of stuff. So many courts or some courts will allow members of the public to come into those video conferences that are going on in a spectator role. So call your court, ask, contact them via email. The wait lines can be really long when calling but make sure that they still get that practical court observer experience out there. Other tips on video, Miguel? I like to just suggest that when scheduling meetings and I'll kind of touch on this in my presentation, but make sure that it's easy, it's simple to schedule video chats, video calls. For my organization, I use Microsoft Teams as we, but Zoom is really great, right? And you have several other really great solutions. I think there's definitely a lot of options in terms of good solutions, but make sure that it's very easy to set up a meeting. You wanna provide that seamless touch in terms of if you need to have a regular check-in, if you need to sync up for to troubleshoot, a student needs to troubleshoot a problem that they're dealing with, with Microsoft Teams, you just scheduling a calendar at the meeting and boom. It's easy and that should also be connected to your calendar to make sure that the student has access to your calendar to know when you're available. So I think that that collaboration will definitely help create less fraction in terms of scheduling times to chat and times to sync up with you. There's a quick question here on how to download the handouts. In your control panel, there should be a handout area under like audio and dashboard, those particular areas. If it is not appearing, click on view and look for handouts. We will also post them on the blog post that follows with the tech. You can also email me started inclusivelaw.org and I can email them to you directly. If you have additional handouts or resources that you think would be useful for the community, please drop me an email. I will add those to the blog post. The handout feature I'm going to webinar is limited to five. So we just grabbed the first few that came out that were very relevant, but I know there's other useful resources out there for the community. Next thing is a collaboration. And we just hit on Microsoft Teams. It's definitely a wonderful way to set up a collaboration space. It gives you channels. You can get a lot of your discussion out of email and into a more productive area. It's got super strong integrations with other Microsoft products. So it's very, very easy to use in those particular environments. Slack is another wonderful option that is out there. The paid version does add kind of the video collaboration as part of that, but making sure that you have a collaboration space the same way that you may have used a conference room to get together with a few people is essential for having a strong intern experience and getting them involved in things. Make sure that you also have project tracking. That's some way to check in all the time on where projects are. I've got two suggestions here, both of which are free. ConvonFlow is a wonderful project management system based on agile project management. It has to-do list. To-do list today, the progress, when it's done, you can assign it to individual people and people can make comments on it. It can all be found in one place. It's very graphical and very easy to use. Additionally, though, you don't need a high-tech solution. For years before moving to ConvonFlow, I just used Google Sheets and just created a very easy spreadsheet that had task, project, next action item, who was in charge of it, and then an area for people to discuss or mention their pain points. And I could just pull that up at the beginning of each day with each intern and see, oh, Raquel is stopped on this. Michael needs help here. And it gave me a very easy way to check in on projects. Having kind of due dates as part of it, very, very helpful. Yeah, definitely. I'll just echo everything you said. Google Sheets is great. I use Google Sheets. I actually use a similar tool called Quip. Collaboration, document collaboration, sheet collaboration. Yeah, yeah, definitely. The simpler, the better. Sometimes I use Trello. But having access to the sheets allows you to do a lot of the same thing. And also just, you know, you're able to rapidly create those sheets, download those sheets, disseminate those sheets with little trouble. Yeah, and Carlton mentions here that Teams also has the ability to do live captioning as part of it and integrates really well with Outlook. Great point there. Definitely something we're thinking about is the accessibility of the tools that you are recommending or using. It's essential that you have accessible tools for your interns. Communication, set up different forms of communication. I strongly recommend Signal as a way to text message back and forth and have a less formal way to communicate. It is secure, it is free. WhatsApp is another alternative that is very good. But having different ways to communicate and different expectations for those types of communications. In the past, I have had a few interns that have seeked out and added me on Facebook. I would prefer not to do legal confidential stuff there. I'd move those conversations over to a secure private way to communicate. Set clear boundaries when you set up an internship, especially with regards to time, create deadlines for each thing. Even if that deadline is an artificial deadline, maybe the blog post that they're putting together over a particular topic needs to be done by the end. It's much better though to have an artificial check-in point before that and a concrete deadline so that those things don't just everything gets pushed off until the end. Create solid office hours. This is something that tends to fall away when you have the remote work situation. But the way that I try to help enforce those solid office hours, and I don't really mean enforce because once you get to know your intern, maybe you need them or not, but it's creating a initial schedule is to have at least twice daily set meetings. I do one at the beginning of the day before I get started on anything formal and then one of those at the end of the day. And I recommend setting up one or two other meetings that are larger like group meetings that include other members of the team that are done on Zoom or some type of collaborative platform. But just having that end cap and beginning to the day helps a lot. Once you get to know your intern and their work style, then you can add the flexibility there, figure out are they available on weekends but may need a day or two during the week off. Once you're able to establish that the check-in process that deadlines are being met, then create a environment that works with their schedule also. But that initial scheduling can be very important for setting expectations. Security, essential when you're working with remote workers and a lot of us are, we mentioned the bring your own device policies, have a policy that relates specifically to having antivirus on their computer, give them a link to a particular antivirus. I would recommend it being the same antivirus that you use in extending licenses to them. Yes, there are some free options out there also. Also essential to have a password manager. I know anybody who's been to past presentations almost always does password managers make it into them and it is absolutely essential. When you're sharing passwords, having a way to share that password, that password automatically be updated and that password be removed at the end of the internship so they no longer have access. Things like last pass allow you to share the passwords where they cannot be viewed. Well, technically they can be viewed. That feature is not extremely strong. I would recommend changing those passwords after an intern has had access to them. Last pass, there is a free version that allows anyone to receive passwords shared with them and to share out with one other person. You do have to upgrade to a premium or a Teams version in order to share with multiple people. I recommend that the supervisor have a premium or a Teams version and that all of the interns at least have the free version. One of the nice things about using a Teams version though is it also gives you some information on are they creating secure passwords and some management stuff, but it's essential to at least use the free version. Last pass has always been free at that bottom tier and one password has recently gotten rid of their trial limits. So their basic tier is basically free at this point. I don't know if it will be free after the pandemic is done, but it's at least free during this time period and it is a wonderful alternative in the space. Encourage your interns or require your interns to create a profile on their computer that separates their personal stuff from their work items. This will help with staying on track and focus, but it will also mean that if that's a shared PC in any way, other individuals will not have access to it. Have them put in a pin and identification two factor authentication so that they can actually get in and other family members may not be able to access that work profile. Create a system for feedback with interns. First, have a formal system and the handouts include this goal and supervisor agreement from Seattle University School of Law. One of the reasons I'm highlighting this one is it also has a value-based approach. Being a school that focuses on social justice, some of the things here are very useful for also working with the mission and the goals for your organization. Also create informal ways to continue to talk with students and give them feedback. And it could be part of another team meeting if you have something positive to say about their work product, mentioning it in front of a team or in a casual connection that is different from those formal feedback settings, that type of positive reinforcement can help a lot and really make them feel appreciated for the work and time that they're putting in. I also strongly recommend creating a way for feedback to be given anonymously. Almost no legal services organizations do this. And I did not understand the value of this until I created an anonymous feedback way. Incognito is one of those. The information that you get from the anonymous feedback can be useful to prevent harassment, to understand if someone is not getting the accommodation that they need to give critical feedback that that individual might not be willing to give in a one-on-one session. So having a way for anonymous feedback, this works especially well if you have lots of interns in your organization. It does not work if you only have two interns because you're gonna figure out exactly who all that feedback is from. So this is highly suggested for larger organizations and have the anonymous feedback available to all staff also. The types of things people will bring up will shock and surprise you. Make sure that the students get involved in continuing legal education seminars, especially in this remote time. It can be difficult because we don't have that in-person CLEs that we could just bring interns to. I highly recommend people get involved with the practice of the law institutes, free offerings for legal services lawyers. I use these for years at Northwest Justice Project. These are expensive CLEs that are freely available to you and your interns. The link I will put into the chat for direct access to this. It's a wonderful, wonderful offering that is out there. Make sure that you've got informal things included in your day to day. In person, I would always take individuals out for lunch. Oh, very hungry. Looking forward to some deep dish pizza later. The reason that I have Wendy City here is they were a sponsor of our social justice game jam years ago and one of my favorite places to take interns for lunch. I greatly appreciate that they helped us out with a major event. Also, weekly kind of happy hours. This is not about getting together and drinking. It's about having a social time outside of work to have casual conversations. Set those up on your video chat platform and have conversations that are non-work related or informal discussions about work related things. You will learn a lot more about the interests, the motivation and those type of conversations may lead to you helping them find connections in the community over things that they are passionate about. Don't let the informal go away when you move to the remote work environment because a lot of the learning is informal. So schedule those, have them available. On the informal side, strongly suggest assigning a book and a famous case at the beginning of the internship with a flexible schedule on when to get to those. Some examples are in the family loss space in Washington State. I always assign Troxel v. Granville. It's a US Supreme Court case, but it went all the way up through the Washington State court system. It will give them an idea of what's going on in Washington State, but also kind of a federal view on things for copyright. I always do Campbell v. Aikoff Rose Music, famous fair use case, but having that kind of something interesting to talk about that isn't just their work that is related to their work can be a wonderful way to kind of create those stronger connections. On the book side of things, suggest something that is fun, that is relevant, but not necessarily directly relevant to their exact cases. Bound By Law, which is a comic book out of Duke. It's free and available online. I do that for all my copy, right? Individuals, I've suggested The American Jury, which is a classic, I'm looking at how juries work, or something that is fun, like persuasion, which is on psychology and interactions with other individuals. Have your interns share their successes, blog in some way. It can be scary for organizations to let interns create something that is going to be publicly available and out there, but the best responses that I've gotten from interns later is when people see those positive things and come back and bring it to them. So for example, this article on modern journal practices, what is being done and what you should do was written by Michael Harris, a ATJ tech fellow at Northwest Justice Project working on our LSN tab. And individuals at MIE read this and contacted us and talked to us about how to update their journal. And that was a huge positive feedback loop, but it also meant that the work that we were doing for one person could help many other people. So get them involved with your communications team and take the work that they're doing and turn it into useful resources for the community. It will look awesome on their resume. It will reflect really well on your organization and it's a way to share those successes. So that's what I've got at this point. I'm turning it over to Miguel. I'm gonna check through the questions here also as we pass presenter. Well, I am not gonna regurgitate everything that sir just said. I'm gonna kind of try to speed through some of the points he mentioned and really give us enough time to open this up for discussion really quickly. If anyone's on this call that haven't made the decision to host a student remote, here's some quick advice that I give. Definitely follow your state's social distancing guideline measures. Definitely follow the CDC's public health guidelines and resources. Your organization's remote and work policy. And let's see. So planning activities, again, SART went through a lot of these things in terms of onboarding. But one thing I do suggest is definitely plan that time to call the student through a virtual chat prior to the start date, just to, again, learn more about them. Build trust, build that relationship on a solid foundation. I think this time is hard for all of us. Organizations are adjusting, students had to adjust to a numerous things of taking classes remote, of taking finals remote, learn more about the student's interests and what they expect to gain over the summer, what their career interests are, and really get a sense of their work style. That will really help you over the summer in terms of managing expectations and setting those boundaries. Again, planning activities develop those project outlines prior to, I know they will shift by the time the fellow gets there or the student gets there maybe. SART already went over any work equipment, provide access and credentials, so supervising the student. Overall, it's a balance, right? Of making sure the fellow has enough work, making sure they're completing their assignments and doing what they are assigned to do. And also on the reverse providing and enriching experience and an opportunity for professional growth for their student intern. So definitely keep those dual tooling considerations at mind. Don't try to overwork. Sometimes as a lot of folks are adjusting to this new work environment, there could be a sense of not fully understanding the parameters of how much work to allocate, right? That's where the communication comes in. You wanna balance whether you don't wanna have a student or a student intern idle, but you also don't wanna have them overworked. Sometimes a student won't say anything, right? They could, it may take you several hours to work on a particular project, but may take them double the time just learning the project when they start out. So definitely keep the room open for communication. Again, I think gaining trust and relationship building is critical as we adjust to this virtual and remote environment. Whereas many of you hosted intern, summer interns in person, and they got to see you. And a lot of that change in the remote environment. So I think gaining that trust will definitely help you, both in terms of boosting work productivity, but also creating a less static, seamless communication and feedback process. Sart was talking about anonymous feedback loops earlier. You really wanna gain and build a strong relationship with the student intern where they can bring these sorts of issues to you without fear for retribution. I would definitely also suggest to create some type of anonymous feedback method, but definitely work on gaining that trust and building a solid foundation. Again, work assignments really start touched on this as well, definitely give the student intern context of how their work product, how their assignments are tied in with your organization's mission and organization's culture. Try to make those explicit ties as they're working on these projects, right? You know, this motion fits in and this particular substantive area law fits in in our organization's mission. Try to make those explicit ties of how the work that they do are enhancing access to justice. You know, students sometimes will have a large or main assignment. You definitely want to kind of provide smaller diverse pallets of work projects, maybe research to really keep them fully engaged. You don't wanna create a monotonous experience for the student. And being that we're in a remote environment, it's easy to do that, right? Just wanna take the time to say be present in the moment. Again, we're in the midst of a pandemic, of a health pandemic. I think it's, you know, definitely take the time to reflect on how the fellow's doing, how the students doing, how the interns doing, ways that you can be there for them, any unique challenges they may face both on the project and off the project. How the work has increased due to the pandemic, things to think about really yet to be present in this moment.  I think we have a question. So we definitely had a few questions here but on kind of different areas. And I just wanna let people know we did put a link in the chat to the bring your own device policy and it includes the discussion from the community on updating it or different pieces of that. There was a question which is for kind of the community here because I don't know the answer, you may Miguel, which is, is there a way to limit access on a personal device to just kind of work related things in not other programs while they are working? I am not familiar with something like that right off. One of the suggestions that I have for people though is if they have work machines available that individuals can VPN into, that would give them just access to work related things through that VPN. But I also know that a lot of legal services or do not have extra computers and rely on interns to bring their computers, especially since the number of computers is very short in things like laptops currently as people are working remotely or from home. Yeah, it's kind of tough. I mean, there are software solutions out there. They are much more expensive and it probably would actually be cheaper to get the student intern their own device. I know that is definitely a lot of budget constraints to prevent many individuals and organizations from doing so, but it's really about establishing that trust with the student intern over the summer. Again, law students are going to be future lawyers and they have ethics and reminding them of their ethics and responsibilities and duties to the position, I think doing that in an explicit manner at the forefront of the experience is highly encouraged just so that they're not. But one thing to consider is that there may be a time where a student gets a personal email or has to check something during a break. And so, again, just trying to maintain that balance of ensuring a safe, secure environment and productive environment where the student is doing the work on the required time, but not kind of over, I would say over allocating the intrusiveness on that student's device that they're also kind of lending to the organization to complete the work. So it's just really maintaining a balance, but I think a lot of these conversations and concerns can be answered and raised to the surface prior to or at the first meeting when you're all setting those work boundaries. So my next slide is diversity and inclusion. A lot of you will have students interns from all different backgrounds and experiences, definitely seek to understand those challenges that students from different backgrounds may have. This is a great way to promote inclusion within your organization. Really think about any, as you get to know your student, your intern, as you build trust, really think about ways that I can create an inclusive virtual work environment. And definitely make sure that Sar mentioned a lot of great and helpful tips on accessibility options. So definitely check into that. If you sense anything is wrong with the student or the intern and make sure to kind of, at least try to suss it out, right? Not everyone has the privilege to have a kind of quiet, safe place to work at their home without any distractions. These are considerations that you should be really thinking about, right? Definitely, if those things are, if there's a problem, really try to solve it and not create a place where the student can't come to you about that. Other intern can't come to you. Really, if there's any problem or solution, definitely try to suss it out if there's an opportunity. Cause there's tons of barriers. They're seen as a poor law student navigating to law school. I've experienced a lot of these things firsthand and it was really great folks that I worked with, start being one of them, who were very understanding and very inclusive to the needs of diverse communities.  Nope, still exposure problem. Organizational exposure, again. Quick note on the last one. What Miguel is saying there is so important. It is really a privilege to have private workspace. I've got two interns right now that are entirely remote. One of them is returning to work, has multiple kids in the household and I've added the flexibility to do some meetings earlier in the morning while the kids are still sleeping to be able to check in on things and then stretch and move those hours around to different times. Just be understanding of the personal situation that an individual is in. It's so important. Yeah, the slide before this was organizational exposure. There are ways to expose your student intern to other aspects of your organization, whether if you're setting up a virtual hangout where it's you, the student intern and several other colleagues, that's a great solution. If you're inviting that student intern to like an office-wide kind of virtual meetup, that's another way to get them exposure. Really try to, so they can have just definitely a more conceptual sense of how the organization works, who the folks are, who's the leadership team. These are all great things to kind of supplant the fact that the fellow or the student won't be there in person. Again, creating feedback loops. I know Sartre makes, touched on this. He did a really good job and gave it justice, so I won't go into too much detail, but I think there's something to, and this goes back to the point of being present. Definitely try to not only create feedback loops that offer a high-end level of transparency and authenticity, but definitely let, encourage the student intern throughout the project, make sure they feel respected and valued throughout the project. And you'll see that that will reciprocate both ways and ultimately build that relationship, that working relationship to get things done. Again, let's make it fun. We have the ability, one of the things that the pandemic and shifting to a virtual and remote environment has done is we have the ability to innovate, create opportunities, brainstorm different creative fun opportunities for professional development and training opportunities. One of the things that we provide within the Tech Fellows program is a blogging challenge. We provide all the fellow's blogs, we give them prompts, they research different topics and blogs and create blogs, blog posts about them. And just thinking of new, fun, creative ways to make this experience more sticky. I think wellness is a great point to touch on. I think this is a challenge, not just to consider with our student interns over the summer, but for us as well. I think we've all had to really think about in an intentional manner of how we can stay well while adjusting to a virtual and digital work environment. Both from time, work time obligations that we've all had are trying to balance with family obligations and how those are mixing. Think about all those things for the student intern as well. Keep those at the top of your mind and definitely create spaces for wellness, whether it's breathing exercises or other exercises, mindfulness meditation that you're able to create a space that's open and that promotes overall wellness practices throughout the summer. Again, SART gave this point really to justice, create regular check-ins and feedback loops. And that is all, I think it was one point that I missed, I failed to put it. And that was definitely, again, all of us have had to kind of step up during this time. I think this time is extremely critical and communities are being affected in so many different ways from the pandemic, whether it's housing, whether it's domestic dollars, whether it's debt collection, I think gets all be mindful of those things and activate our student interns to get involved within the community and find ways how we can help and combat some of these challenges. That's all I'll leave with it. If I have my contact, I'll be sure to share it, but definitely I'm happy to follow up with anyone if they have any questions. I did drop into the chat channel, a link to the bring your own device policy draft. And it has all of the comments from members of the legal services community there. You can also make comments to it. It was put together by an ATJ tech fellow, Michael Harris, who we mentioned earlier. I also dropped in a link to the MI policy library with regards to COVID. I will send them over a few things there to add to that. Last I checked, there were about 45 different policy documents that were out there for legal aid organizations. I also dropped a link to the ATJ tech fellows website in there and Miguel, feel free to drop your email in there also to the chat so people can contact you directly with questions. A few last resources here, I strongly recommend that people head to lsntap.org, scroll down a little bit on the page and there is an email list there. We've picked up about 200 people in the last month and a half, we had 800 people going into this year and we're up to over 1,000 legal services professionals that are sharing best practices. If you ask any question, like how do I do electronic notary or what tool do you use for video editing or anything? There will be five or six people on that list that can answer it. There are vendors on that list but vendors are not there to promote their stuff. There it is about community sharing and it is the heart of the legal services community. I will be dropping a link to our YouTube channel here in a second also our next presentation coming up is on security audits and I will drop the link into the chat also. It's how to do a security audit in your organization and it's put on by the Mid-Florida Legal Services Organization. We have four videos already on the remote work stuff and the link is right there. It's youtube.com forward slash n-tap videos. There are over 250 videos from the last eight years but there are four specific to remote work that were all created in the last two months from suggestions from the community. This one will be included. The security audit will be included. So it's a wonderful set of resources specific to what we're going through now. This was put on by Northwest Justice Project supported by a grant from Legal Services Organization. Thank you so much and thank you Miguel and greatly appreciate having you here.


The image that is being shown to you right now is 18,000 BC, that means about 20,000 years ago. There are images of homes or buildings built in triangular forms which are over 8,000 years, that's 6,000 BC in places like Romania. There are skeletal images of… to leave your body with your legs crossed in a proper Siddhasana posture. Now in Lebanon, this is a classic representation of Guru Pooja Stone. This is very important to understand that it is in the last twelve to fifteen thousand years that the longing to know got organized and found an organized expression through various systems of yoga. It's fantastic to see that this goes back right up to the time of the Adiyogi. If we want to look for physical proof, still there's a little bit of physical proof left around the world suggesting these things. I'm not some kind of an archaeologist or an expert in this matters. But you will see some of the things that we will look at today will intrigue anyone and set us thinking. We cannot call this one hundred percent proof, but it suggests a few things. What is this all about? Why this has to be connected to Saptarishis? Because it's a particular way of looking at life. When I say particular way of looking at life, it is not about someone's opinion, but it is about an internal reflection of the cosmos, an internal understanding of the nature of creation and a very internalized understanding of human being and the making of a human being and every other creature on this planet. When I say internal, I am talking about in contrast with modern science, which observes everything from outside and gone quite deep into its observation today as to how the physical creation has happened. It is in no way in contradiction with the inner way of looking, it is just that it starts at a different end. It's like if you start looking at a tree from the top, your understanding of the tree will be one way. If you start looking at a tree from its roots, your understanding of the tree will be completely different. Only when a meeting point happens somewhere, they look similar. Today we are coming to a place in the history of modern science and in the development of modern science where mysticism and modern science are beginning to look similar. So this exploration today will be important in that sense and as I said, it is… this is not an archaeology lesson for you, but it's just to show you that there have been many suggestions to show that the origin of this is Adiyogi and from him how it could have reached various places. Within myself I know it did, but you don't have to go by my experience of life because somebody else's experience can never be yours. But here is a little bit of physical proof going around. This whole process of Adiyogi and transmission of this way of knowing started in the region that today we refer to as Manasarovar and Kailash. And from there it spread to places, in different spaces they went. There are many references to the Seven Sages, particularly in Central Asia, Turkey, Romania, as far as Northern Africa, Arabia, there are continuous references to Seven Sages and the tradition, even today it is. And you will see in Arabia in places like Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Sudan, in all these places, even today popular restaurants are named as Seven Sages. So that is how much prevalent it is even today. When you ask these people who the Seven Sages are, nobody knows who the Seven Sages are in the common knowledge of the people, but from generation to generation for thousands of years the idea of Seven Sages coming from the East, Seven Wisemen coming from the East is still very much prevalent in most of the cultures out there. For example, you will see the images of snake worship going back right up to 18,000 BC in places like Siberia and Central Asia. These are very rudimentary images you must understand because they are so rudimentary not because the people who made these things were rudimentary in their mind, but because the tools available to do this was rudimentary. Nobody can ever dig up the whole planet to find out if there are more sophisticated expressions of this. It is just that when you spread a message just everybody may start doing things. The image that is being shown to you right now is 18,000 BC that means about 20,000 years ago. The approximate date that we established for Adiyogi's presence in this region is somewhere between 40 to 60,000 years ago. You might have heard that many times I've been saying it is 15,000 years ago because for 15,000 years we have solid physical proof iconographic proof which is over 12,000 years old. Because of that we've been saying 15,000 but when I have spoken long time ago, 10, 12 years ago I've always spoken in terms of 40 to 60,000 years ago because in the yogic culture that is how it is seen but today without a proof if you say something it'll become meaningless in the world because of that we have brought down the date to 12 to 15,000 years. Here is a 18,000 BC which is 20,000 years ago. They made calendars which is purely the yogic form of calendar. You will see in India any number of pictures like this. Here is this third image or the first image which is made into a diagram in the third phase is three sets of spirals. The central set of spirals and the lower set together represents the solar cycle calendar which is 364 days which is the year that we follow even today. And the upper set refers to 354 days which is the lunar cycle of the calendar which is what the Hindu calendar follows even today. And a combination of these two which is today being referred to as loony solar calendar. This is 20,000 years old and somebody cannot arrive at this without an inner perspective. Just by observation of the outside one cannot arrive at a calendar like this which is this is a very sophisticated manifestation of the calendar. If you if this is written in braille even if a blind person puts his hands around he will know which day which day of the year it is which day of the month it is and which face of the moon it is all these things can be found out just by touching the rock or looking at it. And along with that comes snake worship which is the three snakes going up. This is a representation of Eda, Pingala and Shushumna the three channels within the body. So this is a very yogic expression. India is full of these kind of images. This was found in Siberia which is dated as 18,000 BC right now by the archaeologists. There are images of homes or buildings built in triangular forms which are over 8,000 years that 6000 BC in places like Romania. Eastern Europe and Central Asia is full of these kind of possibilities. If you look at the geometric perfection of how it is done, this is the basic form of Yantra. Triangular block in Isha Yoga Center is built exactly like this. Unfortunately we are not 8,000 BC we are now we built this only about 22 years ago and they built a perfect Yantra shaped building for whatever purposes that they were doing this. Obviously these are aligned properly to the eastern direction and these directions are adjusted to either equinox or solstice usually. Our own buildings like Dhyanalinga and Triangular block are adjusted to the equinox because equinox is significant for me in my perception of life that is 23rd of September is a equinox and because my understanding of everything comes from the equinox, I adjusted it to the equinoxes, some of them adjusted to solstice. For the Saptarishis solstice must have been definitely be a most important aspect of their life because it is on that day for them Adiyogi opened up the doors for them. So if you go on like this there are any number of possibilities as we go further to Turkey, to further down to Mesopotamian region, Greece, Crete, further down to places like Lebanon and North Africa you will see geographically every place has something to say where the influence is yogic in its nature and a whole lot of them going back way back to like 12,000, 13,000 years. For example we can see here in Turkey which is dated as 10,000 BC. This is a very typically Indian image in the terms of a linga or a head with a snake climbing on it because this is the yogic symbolism of a human being's inner potential being aroused or it is the symbolism of Kundalini. Similar images are found as far as South America in Peru, in Ecuador, in that region. One must understand most of these things have been either destroyed by age and the natural processes that happen on the earth in terms of earthquakes and other events that happened. At the same time they've also been systematically destroyed by certain forces in the last you know 2,000 years or so. Systematic destruction of anything which was considered pagan happened in many areas and either buried or broken or destroyed or used as material to build other buildings that they wish to build. In spite of that there is substantial evidence spreading across the planet showing that the influence of the seven sages, the yogic culture and the science of yoga are manifesting itself in so many ways. We must understand the proof that we are talking about according to today's archaeological substance is only the physical proof. Today you are doing yoga in United States. Suppose a thousand years later somebody wants to find out how, how will they find yoga in you?  So it is only when we manifest something which is physical, which is made in such a way that it will last forever, only then we can talk about it. But even for this we can show, we can see that thousands of years ago people practicing yoga, they lived and died in yogic postures.  See here somebody died doing Shambhavi or they died in a siddhasana posture some eight thousand years ago in Romania. And if this one person did this, I am sure this is not the only person who did this. It, there must have been a whole culture of this dimension. And there are any number of images showing people sitting in yogic postures. This is usually the representation of Pashupati as one dimension of Adiyogi that is he is the Pashupati. They called him Pashupati because all the life forms are claimed to a certain genealogy and because he exhibited or he demonstrated how everything comes from the same source and that source is nothingness and he is a representation of that. Because of that he was called as Pashupati and also because when he, when he sat in certain states it is, it is something that people have witnessed that all kinds of creatures gathered around him. Because all of them gathered around him people saw him as a lord of all creatures and he is the Pashupati. This is a representation of that. A repetition of these images across the planet in various forms and in various different manifestations of art has found expression in cave arts going as far back as eight, ten thousand years. And when I say cave paintings and arts you must understand today your child is drawing something in your house and sticks it on the wall and if somebody finds it ten, fifteen thousand years later the chances of finding it how remote it is that is how remote it is for us to find those things. They might have done a million artworks, we may find one or we may not. So in spite of that so much has been found we can go on like this in various places all these manifestations. But the more recent ones would be a certain tribe of people who identified themselves as Minoans. It's called the Minoan culture or they were also called as Manus in Germany and in German language the word Manus means the first man which has been the essential representation in India Manu is referred to as the first man or the man. Manu is not a person, Manu is the man like people refer to Adam in the west. Manu is a man or the origin of the man. When we say a man that does not exclude a woman we are talking we are referring to a human being as a man. It is somewhere down the line that the usage became like this when societies became more and more patriarchal and man oriented. The the word that was used to describe a human being started describing only a man and they had to find another word to describe the female of the species. In Minos in Crete which is a Greek island today and Manu in India in many ways go parallel in their descriptions and the way things are described. The manifestation the now that we are looking at these Saptarishis as being the transmitters of Adiyogi's teaching naturally wherever they went the representation of the snake the bull and the form of the linga manifested itself. You will see in places like Ireland in very strong representation of the linga worship. The people in Brittany when I say Brittany in France a region which is called Brittany and when I happened to be in Brittany they were very excited and they took me to a temple which is supposed to be 6000 years old where they were still worshipping the four elements and they said we came from northern Gangetic plain and it is our brothers who went to the island which today is known as Britain. He said this is real Brittany. So this goes on endlessly there's a whole lot of pictures we could show you and there's a whole lot of material which may be a little too much for you to digest in this little time that we have but we will just run through these pictures for you to just see for yourself to make out I will not really say much about it but just look through this just see how intriguing and wonderful it is that going way back the oldest picture that we have is dated as twenty thousand years ago here is Ireland you see this snake symbolism which is typically typically yogic and here is the worship of Linga and the three this spiral which is the cosmic representation or it is the manifestation of what we call as the saligram the inside of the saligram is made like this is the the image of the anionite is used as saligram because that is the representation the yogic representation of the cosmic galaxies this is 2000 bc these spirals this has been one of our thing to build an underground spiral like this in the Indian yoga center we've still not managed to do this as a process of meditation to go through the spiral if you go through a dark spiral like this if at the end of it you will naturally become meditative we've been wanting to build a proper spiral geometrically correct spiral which only that bottom corner one is the right one but we are yet to do it here is zeus worship as a serpent the serpent worship is very deep rooted in in every culture on the planet of course you must have seen the naga temple in the yoga center this is the image that we have today in the yoga center but somewhere around 700 bc a jewish king ordered that all snake temples must be destroyed because for whatever his own reasons so systematically these things were broken in that region otherwise the whole of arabia eastern europe northern africa south america were full of snake worship and temples were snake worship wherever anybody connected with adiyogi goes naturally the manifestation of snake and snake worship would be there even today the modern medical sciences using spiral snakes mesopotamia you see many images of this you must see this in turkey and iraq region there are plenty of broken parts of snake worship the symbol of commerce even today is spiral snake with seven meeting places the symbol of health is three and a half spirals of the snake which is something that we are using in so many ways dhyanalinga is seven pointed spiral and the devi bairavi is a three and a half spiral this is how these images are made this is a physical representation this could be manifested in so many different ways this is common knowledge biblical knowledge that moses used a copper snake or a brass snake to cure people of various things and this snake worship continued at some point even jesus spoke something about snake worship that is there is a statement by jesus about snake worship or a brass this thing because in the in the language of that region the word snake and the word brass are very similar sounding so somewhere i don't know the exact place but those in america should know this better the rising of the man is the rising of the snake this is clearly a yogic statement that the rising of the kundalini is the ultimate rising of the human being because without raising your energy to a higher dimension the evolution of a human being or thinking that a human being is genuinely changing is a illusory process because whatever changes you make in your attitude and your intentions are purely psychological and they can be washed away in a moment if you lose your mind you would have lost it but the raising of the human being is only when the energy the latent energy which we refer to as kundalini which is clearly represented as a coiled up snake in the yogic system it is only in the raising of that there is a permanent transformation in a human being this is a statement made by jesus in the bible saying that the rising of the snake is the rising of the man or the rising of the man is the rising of the snake so these are all different things which says the influence of the yogic system goes right back to eighteen twenty thousand years in terms of archaeological proof and there is really no part of the planet i think the only place they did not go is north pole and south pole maybe in the eskimo culture it does not exist literally everywhere else some influence of this is seen and it has spread across and all this done without any kind of compulsiveness without any kind of force only by showing the significance of what it is and there are beautiful representations of more sophisticated manifestation of yogic culture particularly in middle east or west asia as we call it here particularly this particular stone that you're seeing is the guru puja stone when i went to balbek which is part of the finnishian temple which was built in now in lebanon when i happened to visit this place about ten years ago the moment i saw this stone which is the guru puja stone with sixteen offerings with the room for sixteen offerings even today when we do guru puja it is called a show to show pachara that means sixteen ways of inviting a guru sixteen ways of making it happen this is a classic representation of guru puja stone you will find an exact exactly similar stone in uttarkashi you will find the stones in in banaras you will find the stones in southern india in various temples the triangle the manifestation of the stone in in the way it is done is geometrically one hundred percent correct this cannot be done by anybody other other than somebody who is steeped in yogic sciences and this must be about four thousand five hundred to five thousand years old in intact even today in lebanon lebanese children in their schools study and they know from history that indian indian sculptors indian labor indian elephants came to work on the finnishian temples if all these people went if the labor went the sculptors went and the elephants went how would the yogis not be there they would be the forerunners of this whole process and you will see in balwak temple there's another image of lotuses in the ceiling obviously this is a clear indian art sneaking into finnishian temple because the sculptors from india the first thing that they learn is to make a lotus it's the simplest manifestation of sculpting and they put it in the ceiling of this finnishian temple almost four thousand two four thousand five hundred to five thousand years ago the people in that region would have definitely not seen a lotus because no such thing exists there but you will see lotuses hanging from the ceiling this is a lotus inside anahata symbol in the ceiling of the finnishian temple the sun temple in lebanon which is called as balbek this is a fantastic temple it's a must-see for anybody if you ever happen to be in that region it is something that one must see it is a phenomenal manifestation of human will as to how and the inspiration that is taken from a divine contact once somebody is touched by something of the beyond your own earning of the bread or making your own name and fame doesn't arise you want to create something that manifests itself and functions beyond yourself so these ancient temples are a manifestation of that you see the symbol the yogic symbols of anahata and the blossoming of the flower it is it is across the planet in many many representations in the form of sculpture once again we must remember only that which was carved and stone and that which endured the ravages of time you see but so much of it which is in practice will never be seen unless like that skeletal representation where someone died in a yogic posture if that happens only maybe there will be proof of yoga in north america after ten thousand years so these are all various symbolisms i will not go into this this is jordan you can see a manifestation of the linga forms and the crescent moon and snakes this is very important this is a three headed bull before the first one is in samaria but we have these things in indus valley whoever fixes these dates on what basis i do not know we will go by that and this is about five thousand years where three headed bull three headed bull is a representation of the same process of the ida pingala and the shushumna represented as a bull later on evolved or parallely it also evolved into three headed snakes or three snakes these three headed bulls and there are wonderful stories going back in many ways for those of you who familiar if you happen to attend the lila program about the way krishna represented yoga there's a beautiful story about krishna taming the bull there is a whole lot of stories going back into history where this was today it is being labeled as bull jumping where people conquering the bull was not only a mash or manifestation in a society but it was also considered as a spiritual pursuit that if you conquer the bull within you that means you conquer your animal nature that is when you are delivered so these two things are very much there in krishna's life of he taming a bull and then dancing upon the hood of a snake so these two things are a symbolic representation of how he tamed animal nature within himself and arrived at a place where he's on top of a snake's hood representing that he's reached the snake has risen within him so the man has risen that is what these two stories are trying to say here is a beautiful manifestation of a linga and a yogic symbol of seven dimensions of life peaking out and the human figure in between these are different art forms trying to say the same thing so this is from the indus valley okay this is in the indian region here is a 2000 year old egyptian snake with a crescent on top of it and here what you see is the snake which is the linga bairui temple this is the symbol of infinity they representing infinite nature or cosmic arousal of energy which is which is also possible within an individual human being so this called as the arborus in today's language this happened a few years ago i was in conversation with a physicist and we had six seven hours of non-stop unbroken conversation and i was trying to demonstrate to him and if you become meditative or if you get settled in a certain way within yourself if you hold one's hand let's say nine to twelve inches above my head right now you can clearly feel the energy moving in this in this form and i said this is the this is a dimension which represents you cross the physical limitations if you hold your hand on top of anybody's head please don't go about experimenting like this and proving something about someone else but you will see the energy will always move this way the moment it has hit this form that means he's class he's crossed the physical limitations within himself when i said this and crossing physical limitations also means moving from finite to infinite it is on that day that i you know i logically connected he said the this physicist told me that this is the symbol we use for the expression of the infinite i said well this is this is from the yogic culture only someone who is known this within himself could have used that so the number system the zero and the infinite both came from the yogic culture today when you say shunya which is the zero nobody could have thought of a zero except one who's experienced that sense of emptiness and the vastness of emptiness when we say emptiness the word emptiness or nothingness naturally brings psychologically a negative connotation but emptiness means limitlessness nothingness means limitlessness nothingness also means infinite nature that can only be arrived at experientially not logically not by thought but only by experience so it is not an accident that both zero and the infinite comes from the yogic basis and that has become the basis of all modern sciences today everything that you do is between zero and infinite but crossing these two boundaries is what is considered ultimate yoga because true union happens only when you transcend the numbers numbers means finite nature only when you cross this there is a true union then only you can say something is in a state of yoga this is a coil snake this is a thousand years ago when you enter spender hall in the yoga center we have a very similar representation everybody has to walk over this because spender literally means a state of primordial energies today the same cultures are very fearful and giving negative images of snakes but the same cultures at a certain time worship snakes and because of a certain campaign snake has become evil but even that campaign is not a complete success because it contradicts itself for example if you take the story of adam and eve there was a dumb couple who did not know what to do and a snake arrived and it initiated life someone who initiates life upon this planet it's up to you whether you call him the agent of the divine or call him the agent of the devil if you're for life you would definitely call him as the agent of the divine if you're anti-life then you would call him as the agent of the devil here are our beautiful snakes cascading snakes at the entrance of jana linga temple this is the linga barabi someday maybe when i stop traveling around when i sit down in place the science behind this we can experientially manifest for those who are interested as to how all sounds are leading towards this are rooted in this dimension that is what the previous image was about these are south american manifestations of uh someone trying to build a rudimentary dhyana linga this is very interesting uh geographically today in the country that we call as peru it's called chavin this is a classic um yeah i will be uh to uh what to say it will be too arrogant for me to say it's a classic reproduction of dhyana linga site dhyana linga is a classic reproduction of this one we were not aware of this at that time but now it's really fantastic to see exactly in a say similar kind of magnetic and other kind of forces which work on the planet someone tried to establish uh a very similar uh setup of an energy center this is the plan from the top but you will see so many things which are very similar you will see uh it's very very similar in construction to the dhyana linga complex in terms of uh the plan the way we did the approaches as to how it should be to make it experientially possible for people who enter the temple when we built the dhyana linga we were not aware of these things but today people have researched into these things and found out this is a seven snakes coming out of human beings had these are all yogic representations of the rising of the kundalini this is in south america a few thousand years ago this is a an art form of a depiction of somebody using a mudra like this and initiating someone these are classic images of the gurusisha paramparaya in its own form in those cultures this is uh i don't know if you can call it a pyramid it's not a pyramid really it's somewhere in central america so on the spring equinox it leaves an image like a coil i mean like a snake going up with seven forms of bends going up only on that one day it happens uh the equinox is a tremendous possibility uh in some way they the whole effort has been to create forms which will help a human being to attain to his fullest form so various times of mechanisms were created uh some are very sophisticated some are rudimentary in nature but the effort has been there all over the world so here we are today uh seeing the impact of yogic systems across the planet whatever these images and stuff we're talking about is only what is left of in form of physical uh things but uh the impact that would have happened for example right now for most of you who are in north america or in united states for uh a few thousand people who are doing isha yoga let's say or a few million people across the world who are doing isha yoga let's say after 10,000 years where is the proof that you did yoga there may be there may be still a few stones left in dhyanalinga in case we build something in tennessee there may be a few stones left there so somebody will say after 10,000 years in two different places somebody was do seemed to be doing some yoga but a few millions people are doing and many other millions of people are doing different forms of yoga all that will not be left so similarly when you see one image like this there must have been a whole population or a generation of people or many generations of people doing this otherwise the continuity of it for the last 20,000 years uh manifesting like this would not happen unless it was an active culture across the world and which has been systematically wiped out in the last couple of thousand years for whatever reasons there is lore in south america where they're talking about people from another wherever landed there some six seven thousand years ago and suddenly tribes who were living without any uh engineering capabilities their highest level of engineering was a uh a leather tent which is called a tepi from there suddenly they started building uh constructions stone constructions which have even lasted till today uh which are masterpieces of engineering so they say the gods came from elsewhere and taught them this in the lord this is how it is i want you to just imagine six thousand years ago if somebody came floating on an ocean on whatever they floated upon and landed in your land suppose you're in indiana and somebody came floating six thousand years ago when you had not imagined anything beyond the land on which you exist they definitely would look like gods who came from elsewhere and they brought in mathematics they brought in engineering geometry and other dimensions and suddenly those who are living in tents suddenly started building constructions which are which do not you cannot culture cannot evolve from a rudimentary tent which is just put up with a piece of leather and stick to a sophisticated construction in just a short span of time it would take a whole lot of time for people to evolve that unless an input came from elsewhere the suggestions that the input came from elsewhere which uh you can call it gods or uh you can say their saptarishis or wherever they came from yes definitely they came from elsewhere everything suggests they could have only come from the east and not from anywhere else so you could assume if you wish if it if it assists your indian ego you can say these people came from india not indiana i mean india so if it is because this would be very presumptuous to say yes this is saptarishis but a lot of things indicate it could be them it would be very presumptuous for anybody to say yes this is so because there is no such thing but in my experience within myself i know these seven sages reached out to the whole world and because that was adiyogi's intention and that's how they went and there are there are more uh what to say believable stories uh at the time of mahabarath arjuna decides to see we must understand this one thing that if you go through the indian lore if you go as far back as five six thousand years ago very clearly they're talking about the planet being round in fact even today in the local languages in india when we say geography we say bhogol bhogol means study of a globe the very word is suggesting that the earth is round so this is not like whatever a few hundred years ago galilio invented that discovered that earth is round but thousands of years we've been talking about it you should see the descriptions in mahabarath where when vayu takes kunti devi he takes her across the world and for the first time she sees and realizes that the planet is round and she talks about it and she couldn't believe that actually you can go round and come back so they're talking about vayu as the god of winds who took her around she realized that the planet is round there are any number of things to suggest that people were traveling or people did travel to those parts of the world and also if you go back further eighteen thousand or twenty thousand bc uh during the ice age largely these continents were connected that people could have even walked across not necessarily gone by traveled by the sea but they could have walked across because land masses was connected one way or the other so it is possible if you look at the knowledge that suddenly they exhibited we can say definitely it is so but we don't have exact proof to say it is so