This is the Fellowship of the Link call on Wednesday, October 25, 2023. I was just going to report in that I had a first call with a Dutch fellow named Severin de Wit this morning, who is an IP lawyer by trade, but really cares about trust and started a podcast series called Trust Talk. And is now like episode 79, just posted this morning his latest one and interviewing Stephen Covey. And he's been interviewing experts on trust and going sort of going around doing it, but has larger aspirations. He contacted me through LinkedIn. He has larger aspirations to create some kind of a databasey thing, something, some artifact. That contains like the wisdom that people hold and knowledge about trust and whatever else. And we went into a really lovely conversation about how and what and where.  And we'll talk again next week. Let me pause there and go find Aram on Jitzi. Oh, good point. Thank you. Thank you. He's on his way over. Thank you. He's all I see his I see his handsome picture right here already. Handsome picture. Yeah, it's a good one. It doesn't even look synthetic. Yeah, yeah, and then I spoke a the nice, the nice blurred background. Gotta say, they are. Hey, nice photo. Thank you. This one was taken by post PR. It looks like a post official staff photo. Yeah, somebody better at photography than I took it. It was just me. It would be, I'm sure much worse. Let's see. There we go. And there you are. Excellent. Yeah. I was just reporting in on a conversation I had this morning for the first time with a Dutch fellow who's an IP lawyer but it has been become an expert on trust and is doing a podcast about trust and is interested in building some kind of online artifact that contains the knowledge about trust that the community holds and I'm like, let's talk again. So we're talking again. Yeah, trust in what though exactly. Well, trust is this many faceted things so trust in lots of stuff trust in each other trust in institutions. Even trust in currencies whatever I mean, we didn't talk about Bitcoin or anything like that but you know the trustless the trustless platform of blockchain and Bitcoin actually requires you to trust the algorithms and however somebody managed to put data on the blockchain, which is not always verifiable or noble. Interesting. Not a big fan of the blockchain stuff in general but I mean this is always a recurrent theme about what we can do to like demonstrate make visible trustworthiness in different ways. I don't know if you saw but the bunch of companies and the BBC are championing championing a metadata standard around trustworthiness. I've known for a couple of years now and sort of had my doubts but it's starting to get enough pickup that I'm wondering if it might actually be a thing now. On the verge of being a thing like pull up the name. Yeah please. C to PA. They have a pretty decent explainer that's content provenance and authenticity. Yeah. Here's the explainer project origin was it's code name I guess originally. Yeah. And the explainer is nice but honestly I think the best thing is. I think right on the homepage they have that really good graphic. Maybe. So here. Let's see if we can ask questions. Oh large introduction video do you think it's in there. Maybe. I think it might be in. Maybe it's in the spec. I don't see anything that looks like a visual. Yeah it's figure three in the specification over here. Which makes it very clear that like what it is is it's like you're adding layers of metadata in an into a media object. And there are a bunch of different like ways you could do that depending on the media object obviously. The idea being that like each adjustment adds an additional like object so if you will crop it, then that crop itself is another additional object on top of the set of metadata objects. Basically it's trust by way of provenance right. So instead of trying to figure out trust exactly you say hey, here's a method to determine where this came from and who authored it. And you can trace it through various permutations of modification and be confident that each one describes that modification correctly and trust in that and if it's not there then you know it's not as trustworthy. It's for media specifically of course right like it's images audio files, things that you can attach metadata to as like sort of transmittable objects. But I think it's gotten to the point where it's pretty interesting. Sounds like a thing that mark on one would like that would be involved in. So why zoom this time instead of jitsie. We had too much trouble with jitsie last time and the time before different people having different trouble so I don't know exactly what, what the thing was but I offered up my zoom and we sort of buckled and went well okay let's try it for a call. We could, we could move back but we're trying to use me but we can't record me and we like to record the calls. I mean I prefer zoom over meet philosophically and I assume the reason most of us prefer jitsie is philosophically as well. Why we were over there. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Anything new and fellow should be in your life or in your activities. I did spend some time this week and trying out some new technology called htmx. And it is very interesting to me pull up. I have a blog post on it, I can share, please. This is from my sort of loose loosely written dev blog where I just sort of type as I accomplish things. But it also links to glitch site which goes, which shows how it works that I built up as part of testing the technology. The idea is it's sort of a way to pull up the notes. I mean our notes here we go. But yeah the idea being like it solves this particular problem. That like single page applications have these very good qualities, but the way people build them is very poor.  And, oh, the Anagora doc server is not working. Oh, I was gonna put notes in there, but I guess I'll just, we got the AI note taker. And Peter, are you watching Jitzi in some sense? I am. Thank you. So nobody else has shown up there. Cool. Thank you for doing that. But basically like the idea is here I'll share my screen real quick. What's HTML for particularly is it for people building a single page websites or for devs or for whom. Yeah, I mean, it's for solving the particular problem of that single page websites are best for which is that it is good. It is good to have a version of a website where you can navigate around while still being able to play media, right. Basically the idea being that like there's assets that you may wish to retain for whatever reason. And as you navigate right so let's pull it up. Right so like this is a website and when you click on things it looks like it's navigating. Is this somehow comparable to tiddly wiki of old. No, I don't think so. Right so this is a completely artificial URL if you were to navigate to this. Yeah, it would not actually exist right you can't route to it. This is just an example of capabilities but it goes into your history and if I hit the back button you'd get back to this and if I hit the forward button you go forward to this. And so you can go ahead and hit play on a YouTube video here. Right, and do the thing that you normally can't do which is go to a different page and the YouTube keeps playing right I can go to the home page. I can go to this multimedia page which does have a real URL but is still artificially constructed in my history and the video keeps playing uninterrupted. This is done through like basically HTML properties and hints to do some really sort of cool stuff here. I think we depart from this for a second and no I'm not sure that this works in this browser actually. Hold on. Or I may need to log in. Okay, so what you can do is that a project. Okay, there we go is essentially you define areas of the page that you want to change. Right so this is that media button right and basically you're saying hey go make a URL request. Like normal to this URL. And then instead of navigating there. Take the content for main content, the div that has this ID and swap it with the main content ID div in this HTML. And then I can define other things like for example I'll say, and also if you find a div with an ID of footer in there, swap that out as well. But then I had this div here which sits outside of main content. Don't swap this one. And so I can swap out the various pieces of a page without swapping the whole page to a standard navigation event. And it lets you do cool things like what I just did which I don't know how, like, how knowledgeable you are about like navigation and react and single page apps but basically like this is the core promise of a single page app, which is, you keep some assets of a single page in place while changing some other parts of that website. And this is normally accomplished using a lot of complicated JavaScript code and hooks and shadow domes and all of this complicated pieces of stuff. Right. React itself is a pretty large file the HTML file on the other hand is like sub one kilobyte. It's much more code efficient and it opens up like interesting things like this which look like old web stuff like a web ring here, right. Right. But instead of an iframe or anything like that, this top page is pulling IDs and basic HTML off of another site and using it to inform this so that navigator thing here. It's coming from a total throwback experience with the web ring interface up top. It's like, whoa, whoa, I just scrolled back in time. Yeah, yeah. But the difference is the bottom is not an iframe. Yeah. And the top can pull information out of this that changes. So for example, like this doesn't do it, but I could have it change the title tag or create an artificial URL change that the system would be able to recognize. No one doesn't do it, but. And where it says your name here that could also be changed through instructions from the site below. Right. Is this like transclusion, or is this something different because you're kind of pulling content in from somewhere else and including it in the local. I guess in some ways it's like, like transclusion. The difference is like, or at least how they present it, right? The HTML presentation of their concept is they're interested in speaking the native language of the web, just more applicable. Instead of endless JSON documents of different formats and different apis, etc. and trying to layer all of these extra pieces on top of JavaScript that like in the modern age are not really necessary anymore. Most of the things react does with JavaScript that made it unique when it launched are part of core JavaScript now. Instead, you just generate HTML and instruct other HTML to pick it up. Right. So instead of having to do a whole bunch of complicated JavaScript to make this work, you just use the HTML JavaScript. And then you add these directives on to your HTML HTML. So that motivation section there is a good kind of summary. It's a little bit like transclusion in which the page is, you can think of the pages components, but it's not really like transclusion because you're not inserting a page. It's not like you're replacing it with you're swapping things in and out to do sub page sub page adjustability while maintaining compatibility with the browser conception of and which exists from actually the early 90s the browser of conception of navigation. Yeah.  I mean, it's not too limiting a conception. Yeah, it's not really the same thing. I mean, you can use it that way. That's what the web rig site was doing. Right. So it's more about it's really more about this concept of the single page app and replacing it with something that is more standardized without without having to think about like the complexities of data shape apis and that type of thing. So like, for example, you can have full web pages that it pulls in, but you can also have Maybe a way to say it is to continue with the same navigation metaphor, but use sub page address ability instead of provide you a sub page address ability rather than Yeah. So like for example, this HTML pages just an HTML fragment. Right. It's not a full page, but I can click it and pull it in. And one of the interesting things here is see this tiny caption this gets pulled in somewhere separate is a test page so it's not working super well but like the technology is it just will lay out swanky. Sorry. And if I click it again you can see it removes that because I'm pulling information from a different page. So it's more about that this idea that like single page apps do satisfy a requirement within what we want to accomplish with the web. But the in that like they can preserve state over navigation in the way that apps can right. This is the main thing that apps can do that the web has trouble with that single page apps want to accomplish is the idea that the state of the page persists in some area. While you navigate to other sections or other areas or other pages in theory. And this is and that's the idea here right you're retaining some element of page state while providing navigation.  And I think that's sort of the other thing that's really promising about this that single page apps do not accomplish very effectively. And this is the the next thing I want to try with this but you can build an entire website as standard with all the normal pages and all the normal addresses. With the normal assets on it, while still having this layer of technology and usability, activate when the user starts navigating within that experience, right so in the example I gave before, you can still go to the right multimedia.html. But then as soon as you start navigating around as a user, all of those layers of technology come back in. And now I can go back to doing the thing that I was doing before. Which is changing the surround, right, and that's the really sort of cool thing to me is the idea that I like. The idea that you can build a website exactly as normal, but then have a piece of it that persists once users start navigating around it. And that's the idea that you can build a website exactly as normal but then have a piece of it that persists once users start navigating around it. And I mean that's really valuable for other reasons to be on playing media like, let's say I have some like image carousel that I want to keep or like a sidebar with a bunch of social media embeds in it, preserving those so the user doesn't have to rely on their browser to do caching or things to layer back in in weird ways is a performance uptick to and like also the nice thing is when you have that side type of single page app approach, you can package it up manifested and make it available offline through the web web app installation process right similar to how you can install the Twitter web app or think the Washington Post web app still works the Washington Post web app right and get like some really valuable functionality for users. And get like some really valuable functionality for users who want to use your site like an app and where a lot of the standard pieces get cashed locally on their device, and then they're really just navigating through content. But the nice thing is the way the content works is more standard, right, instead of JSON, which can be any of a million different things and then somebody has to go in and figure out how your JSON API works.  And what's really interesting is there are events that happen on navigation. So you can use HTML custom elements and their capacity to do unique things when they are mounted into the DOM when they appear on the page that that really sort of unlock their functionality. So, I'm, I'm not I just did it for one weekend. So I don't know if I can recommend it yet, but it's, it impressed me enough, and a bunch of other people have recommended it to me that I'm going to give it a try my partners, moving her for podcast website from Squarespace to WordPress. You don't like is that a reaction to Squarespace or reaction to doing the move. It's a reaction to Squarespace and WordPress I tried for 15 years the love WordPress. And I went, I went over believe it or not the Google sites which makes for really simple sites but but I but but I can stand them up in a second they look professional etc etc etc so Yeah, I mean, I also have some problems with WordPress. I personally have stopped using it for anything that I do except for a very small number of things that it's particularly good at right. So, if you're going to give someone a CMS, but also have the full spectrum of options in terms of how to customize it and do whatever you want with it. It's better. Drupal or Drupal. I hate. Yeah, yeah, there you go. There are some people who sing praises of some other platforms I think the one that I see the most often as sort of a like get away from WordPress and do something better is a craft CMS. But Okay, with a C. But like craft CMS is like the license is weird. I don't know. I don't know a lot about it but I know when examining it. One of the things that stood out to me is that the license seems concerning to me. Is that the right one? No. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because this is a pretty this is a pretty new all in one kind of tool like 2021. It's this one here. Thanks. Well, that's what concerns me like I don't, I don't like the license here but everyone I know who uses it seems to like it. And it does remind me of like WordPress what I really loved WordPress. WordPress suffers from like the classic problem of success which is, it's become so successful that it's used by enterprises and so now it must serve enterprises to some extent, but the red hat problem. I think of it as, but yeah, so I'm switching over to WordPress but I want a way to let people play the podcast and navigate around the page. And HTML is like a way that I could, with very little work, accomplish that in an existing WordPress site, because all you need are URLs and HTML and WordPress generates both. So I'm going to try it out for that and see how it goes. And I think it'll probably go well it seems like it would be pretty easy to do for my experimentation. I'm trying to add like some additional functionality here in terms of like playlists and that sort of thing. But like, that's all like bonus like stuff right like just being able to have a podcast website where you can navigate around the website without the podcast stopping and without having to download the podcast and put it on whatever you have to play audio files is like a big accomplishment in terms of a thing most podcast websites do not do. Most of the time they're just sending you on to iTunes or whatever right. And that's how like potentially the single page app concepts can do good things there as well, because then it. If you like a podcast you could theoretically just take the website as a single page app and install it onto your phone, and have it play almost like it's its own app for that particular podcast right. Because all of the hooks into features that normal apps have you can set up notifications, you can get people to subscribe to notifications from a web app for when they're new episodes. You can play in the background you can control with the media controls, all of the reasons you would go to an app, but now it's just HTML right and react this that's not to say like react web apps don't accomplish this they do. It's just the cost of maintenance for react web apps is so high. Right, that's why I haven't done it like single page apps, I want something that is as close to fire and forget as WordPress can get right. So this seems like it might be the way to go. I don't know, but I'm going to try and find out. I also think I was also thinking a lot I was hoping fine soon would come in, but I guess he's busy. I was also thinking a lot about, like, how the agorah hot loads things into iframes, and how this might provide an alternative for that in some interesting ways. We're learning about HTML. And our arm has been playing with it for a week and was giving us a demo and I'd not heard about it at all. So, it's kind of cool and Pete, do you have any perspective you want to add or different way of looking at it because I'm sort of barely wrapping my hands around it. I think I'm just not enough of a coder to understand the. When you say, hey, it takes a lot less energy and space. It's more economical sort of in code and all that kind of I get that that makes a lot of sense to me, but the use cases are hard for me to to figure out. Yeah. It's really just this concept of the single page app made more web natives. Right. The question after that is, why would you have a single page app. Right. So, the example of the podcasts, right. The, I mean, the answer, the wider answers because people want apps. They don't understand it, but people do, and having a web native app that does everything an app can do without you having to maintain an entire different code base is immensely valuable. Because you know people want apps and give them the app and then they can go and leave you alone and you only have one code base to maintain. Something in there is a single page. Well, if it's a single, if you're on the web, if you're on the web, you have built in navigation from the browser. So you don't have the OS navigation, the standard navigation. So then you have to accommodate that somehow. Somebody is going to hit the back button or the forward button or put a bookmark and you have to honor that, even though it's kind of outside your remit of this single page out. Yeah. Right. HTMLX lets you do that natively, right, instead of having to load into a single website and then having React try to interpret the route and then load the right components and get you the right experience. Instead, you come to the web page that is the web page. There's so much work that's been done and stuff like React to be like, well, I need to make it so that Google can crawl my web page when I don't have any real web pages, just this one React route interpreter on one website, right? You don't have to do any of that. You don't have to maintain tons of JavaScript. You don't have to maintain all of these like baking processes to try and pre-build certain things to accommodate, you know, people who crawl the web in particular ways. It just ends up being a lot easier to do. And then, again, it comes to that idea of preserving state over navigation events, right? And that's important for the use case that I have there, which is like navigate around a website without having to change, without having to pause or stop the video you're watching or the audio you're listening to. Which they're building into the OS now. I mean, the latest version of Mac OS or iOS basically has call out video so you can minimize it, move it around, leave it playing for, you know, and keep going. Yeah, but if the page that hosts that video navigates away from it and the video unloads, that pull out video disappears, right? But it wouldn't in a single page app model. Yeah, it is a progressive web thing. Why is there not a progressive web movement? That's not for the progressive means there. It just means progressive improvement. Yeah. I actually just got a thing. I got a dropout. Sorry to talk and not. Somebody was flashing the bat signal. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, talk to y'all later. Yeah, thanks for, thanks for that a lot of questions. Yeah. Hey, Chris, how are you doing? You have a bad microphone. So can you talk? Try it out. Oh, we don't hear you at all now. Not a sound. It's not bad, Mike. It's no sound from Mike. He's really, really quiet. You could just be like, like that character in pitch perfect, the woman who like this. Can we read your lips? Wait, wait, let's see if chat GPT knows how to read lips already. That can't be a hard app. Damn it. Sorry. No, not hearing you. I can't actually work. Oh, really? So it's not working on zoom. That's weird. And picking your microphone from zoom doesn't give you the right option to get to your earbuds. Okay, I'm on a custom to having this kind of problem on zoom, which is why I offered up my zoom is your mic. Nope, not yet. Is your microphone somehow strangely muted? Your earbuds now. Huh. We could play charades. Bomber. Yeah, you can you can type toward us. Okay. Any other things we might want to cover that are fellowship ish because we can also fold the call if we don't have any topic to talk about or whatever else. We don't have any big things. A bunch of AI stuff, but that's not really fellowship stuff. Well, I'm, I'm like the demo of htmx was really interesting because one of the things I'm puzzling about and I don't have enough depth to understand is why are we kind of stuck in how to how to model share and connect information and where's where might that go. It feels like a very fellowshipy kind of question because we have the conversations here started around. Hey, we love open source we love open content we love URLs we love things like that. How do we build knowledge and apps and wisdom out of that. And I'm like, I don't know. You know that the future is AI that understands language and is conversational. We're just going to offload our burdens to the AIs and enter it like chat with them. And that'll be fine. We'll we'll we'll just trust that. Yep. Is this the actual Pete Cummins game talking to who just said that. Or is this I saw that for a long time. Really? Yeah. I never I never dreamed in my lifetime that we would have boss that understand language so well. Yeah. So, so then the question is, how do we deal with enclosure of large language models. Right. As opposed to theft, which that was such a good answer. Pete, that was just brilliant. Chris, I don't know if you saw on the OGM list. Pete's answer to Jessica's question about an article that Doug see posted I think it was him. That was a misrepresentation of known Chomsky is that how this started. Is that am I on the right. It was Gil. That's right. Gil friend. So anyway, there's a there's a fake Chomsky article that is a screed that says that LLMs are the largest theft of property since we stole the lands from Native Americans, you know, with colonialism. And Pete comes back with a lovely reply, which are you going to post at someplace public. No. Damn it. Maybe, maybe somebody will steal it. Well, you know what, that'll be me. Because what I normally do with really good screeds on mailing lists, which go into the bit bucket is I'll copy and paste them put them in my brain and I'll make the thought private. So that at least I can find that again later because it's because it's connected to the right things. And should that person later decide that it's okay I'll like release it into the wild. I'm perfectly happy with it being in the wild except for to whom it's addressed. Yeah, I will mixed up with it. I will anonymize the name. But, but I have to say I was sorely tempted to continue on and it's like okay and maybe what you're talking about is enclosure. And, you know, again I wouldn't wouldn't necessarily compare that with the European Native American conflict but. But anyway, enclosure is a big deal. So we need, we need to figure out how to prove that you're actually not a stand in computer generated avatar that's pretending to be Pete. I have thought through that and came up with a solution. Oh, tell us, please. Unfortunately, doesn't involve applying a knife to your face. No, easier to simulate by the way, but but it does require another human on this side of my camera. Okay, I trust a human test. It is a zoom thing that the green screen is actually assisting or optimizing the virtual background. So the way to do it is to have one or two a couple people in conversation, real time conversation with a lot of like emotional cues and things like that. It's going to be a long time before AI fakes that well is my is my thing. In a sense, I mean I wonder the simple test, and I bet I bet you that current versions of avatars that emulate people will fail this, telling a joke and seeing how quickly it gets it and telling a nuanced joke where your answer your response wouldn't just be to laugh, but to laugh and to like raise an eyebrow or to laugh and to empathize or to laugh into like, like the moment it gets you the moment you're crossing up a couple things I bet that's really hard to do. I wish I hope I'm not wrong. That's a fair one. I so even my test with it just it just multiplies the complexity kind of it doesn't really. So it's going to be in the last a couple years but not pass up. I think the so the humor thing that that's a good one I like it a lot and and you'd have to administrate that test or administer that test very carefully because I people do it all the time that they don't get a joke but they want to pretend that that they they're going along with it. Right. So it's a really common response to go or you know, or to like change the change the subject really quickly and leave the other person off off their foot. So these things these systems will also probably be really good at lie detection or obfuscation detection. You know they'll be they'll be like NLP masters where they can detect skin tone temperature, whatever, which all are affected by our emotional state, right. Yeah. So, yeah, I actually just the pulse thing where where you can use the minute where you can see somebody's pulse through, you know, color. I'm surprised that during the pandemic there weren't more stories of or software for like iPhones and Android phones detecting disease doing a whole bunch of other health stuff I was pretty sure early in the pandemic that that was going to be a big thing. Never materialized. We got stuck on whether or not it was airborne or not. Well, yeah, except some other vector could have come in and said hey guys, you can tell from somebody's voice and breathing that they've got something. And you can tell a day before they know they've got something. Wouldn't that be useful. I mean, we're doing that with early onset Parkinson's I think and other sorts of things you can, you can detect essential tremor in software before you can tell you've got it I mean there's a bunch of stuff like that that's already happening. I think it's, it's doable it's just Chris your Chris your zoom troubles are melting my brain this normally doesn't happen and we keep moving. But the hilarious thing is that fellowship of the link keeps shifting platforms because a different person keeps having trouble with each of our different platforms. That's hilarious. So I like that you've developed kind of a touring test for because this is going to be a problem. Yeah. I'm looking forward to the first zoom call we hold where there's like a mystery new person. I'm going to call who appears lifelike but isn't.  That can be interesting. How far away are we from that couple years. So not this year not the expert 2025. Yeah, 2526 at this pace. Crazy. You know, now that I think about it, the way that you would mask like, I don't know. You would have somebody have intimate and problems, you know, oh my microphone doesn't work. Oh my video doesn't work, you know. So you think Chris is a fake. Oh my God.  Okay, this is really interesting. I was just confessing now on the chat for anybody watching the video later who's wondering what the hell we're up to. But it's good I like it. Totally like dog ate my homework, lost that email. Don't know. Oh, there he is with effects. That's perfect. The conversation is so good Chris. There's a, there's a video short text to video short, you know, text to video short competition that's going on right now, all the entries are in and the judging is coming out in a day or two. But it's interesting watching how how you construct kind of a narrative movie. You know the limited generation capabilities that we have right now. Kind of the same thing, you know, you have these little short things and you kind of fake that you can make a whole movie, and they're pretty good actually. And I screwed up I said vampire should be werewolf I was totally on the wrong game. More evidence for the werewolf. Wait, does that mean that I'm the avatar thing because I didn't get the reference right. I joined and I are watching a police procedural where part of the evidence that was wrong probably but part of the evidence was a misspelling in a typed chat session. Is this Bollack Borlick or whatever.  What's the name of the procedure. It's a police deadlock that you told me about. That was awesome. This one is line of duty, which is much more serious and intense, very, very many of the episodes we end with. I did not see that coming. That's cool. We just watched the movie, remember movies. The burial, which is a drama dramatization of an actual lawsuit against a company that was trying to roll up funeral homes and got sued by a super glitzy glitzy lawyer played by Jamie Foxx. Was it good. It was quite good it was like I liked it. It was, it's on our list. It was nice. It was good it was, you know, not the Pelican brief but but in there. So Chris, since you are hobbled. I'm wondering two things I'm wondering what platform to use next Wednesday. And I'm wondering if we should just fold our puppets right now because we've had a nice time and Chris you can't actually communicate unless you want to try doing semaphore or Morse code in the chat. Oh, good. Okay, so keep zoom. Sounds great. I, I've been doing zoom now intensely since the beginning of pandemic and very few people have trouble that kind of trouble you're having Chris so it's like wow what I wish I knew what was going on here. Are you using some kind of exotic operating system. Are you on like a very, very old version of red hat Linux or something. Who knows. At least you can still here and see us, or at least hear us, we old windows seven now there see see that could be that could be a piece of it. Makes a lot of sense. With there being no motion to preserve the call I move we good to go roll up the sidewalk and cool and see y'all in a week. And Pete I'll probably see you much sooner. Sounds good. Cheers. Thanks guys.


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So for those of you who are here for the first time, brief introduction to myself. My name is Patrick Manley. After I graduated from King's College London, I joined a city PLC consulting firm. I left with some colleagues and went on to successfully co-found and exit a consulting startup focused on C-suite executive search for technology businesses. Having a front row seat to the dot-com bubble, witnessing people make and lose a fortune in the markets, quite literally at times overnight, I decided to store my curiosity for markets with some capital to play with and some time on my hands. I started day trading the S&P 500, or more appropriately day gambling. After some early beginners' luck, I racked up some pretty solid gains. However, as is often the case, my beginners' luck went out and as the market phase changed, I began to average down into losing positions, giving back all my gains and ultimately experiencing a significant six-figure financial hit. To say this was a gut-wrenching and sobering experience is an understatement. I really had to stand back and figure out if it was feasible for me to make a living from the market. So I decided to get serious about trading and I sought out a mentor with an excellent trading track record. Working with my mentor for a period of 18 months, two years, it was a time during which I had to not just my technical game, in terms of researching, developing, extensively back and forward testing strategies that crucially suit my personality, all of which were underpinned by a rigorous risk management approach. But most importantly, during the period of mentorship, I significantly developed my mental game. And probably most importantly, I made the watershed shift from being a highly goal-orientated individual who was focused purely on financial gains to becoming process-orientated. So what does that actually mean? Well, it means I have stopped focusing on what I could make from the markets and start focusing solely on managing my mindset to allow me to consistently execute my trading strategy. Oftentimes in the face of negative feedback from the markets in the form of losing trades. But once you become process orientated and have a professional trading mindset and you understand the true nature of trading being a numbers game in which you're simply playing the probabilities, you lose the emotional investment and that hellish emotional roller coaster of living and dying by the outcomes of individual trades. So I'm no longer concerned with the outcome of individual trades or even a string of trades. My focus is really on the next 100 trades because I know if I focus on excellence and execution, my edge will demonstrate itself over an extended series of outcomes. My multi-strategy approach has delivered profitable annual returns since 2008. Since 2013, I've also been managing investor capital through a managed account service, delivering again annual positive returns. I'm currently responsible for managing a multi-million dollar portfolio. Since 2010, I have mentored hundreds of private traders of all experienced levels from complete novices to former CME floor traders in developing the technical and mental skills to read consistent returns from the markets. In addition to my fund management and mentoring, I'm engaged in other market-oriented projects. I'm a resident market experts, exclusively providing market and trade analysis to TICML, providing an in-depth daily outlook, breaking down fundamental and technical drivers for the day ahead. I also provide daily technical trade setups for three to five markets. I also run TICML's rapidly expanding e-mini strategy group where I provide a specific daily trade plan with intraday trade updates. Since its inception, it's delivered over 1,200 points of upside. So that gives you a flavor of where I'm coming from. A couple of links I want to share with you. One is this is the TICML trade ideas section on trading view for those who want to follow along with trades that I'm tracking or setups, posting those there. And the other link is to the TICML futures group. You can request access by using this link and access my daily trade plan for the e-mini S&P. And you get intraday updates and trade alerts there. Also access to institutional research alongside those trade updates and the daily trade plan, which is posted as a video here. You can see an example of it before the U.S. open each day. So I strongly suggest you take the chance to join that group, 165 minutes in there now. And you can join in and follow along with my trades. So that brings us to the charts. Let's start with dailies. Let's look through some of these major markets. Sorry, Chris, can I use mt4 to view your screen? Not sure exactly what you mean there. The charts I use are through trading view. There is a link in the e-mini strategy group here. This link, when you click on this, you access my screen as it's set up and the sport and resistance levels that I identify and all the trades, etc. So by clicking on that, you basically get access to this screen here, which is my daily set up charts. Anyway, let's get back to the charts here. Starting with the S&P 500, like I say, some pretty interesting inflection points. Currently, what we're looking at for the S&P is the ideal corrective scenario is that we trade down into this 4240, these prior structure highs, structure low there. So what we'll be looking for is move down into that area and that will be the level at which we'll be looking then to to set long positions. What would be a heads up as to the potential that the correction is actually actually completed here at 4276 will be if we take out this current swing structure here. So we have an equality objective versus yesterday's low and we can see this three-way corrective move play like this back into that prior x-wave high and then get this move down into our 4240 and then we can start to think about this being the fourth wave low and an extension then higher for the fifth wave into the back end of the year. The clue really as to whether or not the correction will be complete is firstly taking out this trend line resistance on a closing basis but then closing above 4486. If we get that closed then we can pretty much determine from a probabilistic perspective that correction is complete and we're going to be moving meaningfully higher into the into the back end of the year. First things first is going to be how we trade at this trend line resistance today 4421 we need to see a close through there that will be the first checkbox really that we that we have a potential low in place but like I say as long as we hold 4486 then we're looking at this 4240 test and then we can see we're going to move meaningfully higher from there. NASDAQ a little bit different because we've actually completed the equality objective so we have our A, B, C low here and now so the NASDAQ has a similar setup to the to the S&P obviously what we're looking at is will we get through the equality objective 15206 it comes in that so the NASDAQ gets up here and we fail this would coincide obviously with the S&P holding its trend line then we look for a return back into the ascending trend line support before again then looking to base and make the move higher into the back end of the year DAX again the DAX came just shy of its equality objective at 40755 so key for the DAX now is going to be how we trade at this trend line because if we hold the trend line and we get a meaningful rejection there then there is still the potential for the DAX to get down into the support zone here before then extending to the upside for this run higher into the ascending trend line resistance which we're coming in around 17300 at the moment so again watch how this watch our price responds at these trend lines if we hold or we get closes through that's going to be our first signal that maybe we have a meaningful low in place and and we are heading higher so then obviously that feeds into the dollar view dollar has been trading pretty consistently within this ascending pitchfork we traded into the top side yesterday we've seen some selling come through we've taken out an internal trend line but this is the key support zone now that we're currently sitting out here so if we hold the 93 90 360 area and we're seeing a bit of profit taking at the moment then what we're ultimately looking for will be another leg to the upside to test this 9502 as the next area of interest coming in just above 95 actually will be the area I'll be watching and then from there we can see another pullback as we head into the potential fed taper into the back end of this year so what we've been looking at there will be the potential for a three wave into test the ascending trend line support for then getting the final extension up into what should give us the 50 percent retracement of the of the entire decline here let's just draw that in for you so you can see we've got the strange one second so yeah we've got the 50 percent retracement and the 161 extension of this swing structure here coming in at the 96 96 30 area so we'll be looking for move into there and then that should act as a more meaningful upside objective and then at a minimum we'd anticipate a pullback equal to this leg here so we'd be thinking about something like this with the dollar would be the the play from here now what's going to be the heads up with the dollar to suggest that this this thesis isn't going to play out well really at this stage we'd have to lose this trend line support so we'd be thinking about something like a close through 92 90 to suggest the upside is over for the dollar and we're going to head back down into the lows and meaningfully lower so whilst we hold certainly at this point this this support stone at the 93 60 sets up a run for 95 but if we fail here then we're looking down into trend line support the 92 90 and a failure there would suggest it's lights out for the dollar for now and we're we're heading back down and resuming the downtrend in the dollar index but holding the support to be key and another extension higher will will inject some more energy to the upside in terms of in terms of the DXY gold so gold is has broken out now of its trend line resistance and we're getting the anticipated extension to the upside so pullbacks to be expected but whilst we hold now this the 7770 area as support we look for a test ultimately now of that 1850 1835 descending trend line resistance now sellers step back in there we do still have that downside target of 1520 and that's versus this much bigger swing structure here so that's what we're looking at in terms of gold but again if we're going to close through that descending trend line that's going to add further weight to the dollar and and then we can start to think about testing the 1917 level again as as range resistance so some pivotal areas of interest for for gold here as as price develops silver silver trying to break out of its descending trend line resistance and put in a base here so watching silver now to see if we can if we can get through trend line resistance and then we look for a test up into its ascending descending trend line resistance up at 2670 and that will kind of coincide with the dollar testing 1850 to the upside and then again we'll see if sellers are going to step back in and take this down again into into the support zone crude obviously been on tear has traded up into the resistance zone that we're tracking the 81 15 and we are seeing a bit of a bit of profit taking potentially here but really now the story for crude is any pullbacks into this trend line support currently coming in just below the 70 dollar barrel is is really going to be an opportunity on the long side and and certainly then you can think about the major fifth way of objective being towards 96 dollars barrel in terms of crude there so take close attention here potential for some profit taking as we hit that that 127 extension and then any three wave pullbacks into the trend line support with bullish reversal patterns we want to be looking on the long side targeting the ascending trend line resistance up towards 96 bitcoin still holding projected ascending trend line support so any pullbacks now in bitcoin back into really we can start to think about these price here now pullbacks into the 50 to 50 level should find support there and then we're looking for an extension up into the 75 000 upside objective for for bitcoin so watch any pullbacks into this prior high here at the 52 6 52600 level bullish reversal patterns on opportunity then to get in on the long side certainly looking for a retest of the prior cycle high 65 000 and then on to that longer return objective of 75 000 dollar yen obviously supported by the the yield story in the us so pullbacks now into these prior highs here uh 12 30 i'll be watching for bullish reversal patterns to set long positions and ultimately then we look for a test of the projected ascending trend line resistance that comes in 116 20 now now let's just see we also have an equality objective developing here let's just draw this in here so this swing so this swing yeah so 115 80 is this big is this larger abc quality objective and then we've got that ascending trend line resistance and that 116 30 also so this is the target zone now as long as we hold the 112 area of support we look for 115 116 in terms of the dollar yen swissie pulling back into to test the support zone so if the swissie can can hold in this area and get some bullish reversal signals here we actually have a target and the quality objective versus this ab low we have a c wave up here upside objective at 96 40 obviously it's going to be key there for the dollar index to hold its support area and and the euro's fine resistance will take a little bit euro over a minute dollar card um extending lower to test now story with the dollar card here is we could still get this inverse head and shoulders scenario play out we don't want to see a loss of 123 15 on the downside if we do then that opens up a retest of the lows in dollar card down to 120 but if we hold here bullish reversal patterns there's an opportunity for at least a three-way corrected move versus this decline and so when I say that what I'm talking about is a minimum objective for any correction is going to be the 50% retracement of this current leg so that would have us um that would have us somewhere back into 126 13 area would be the initial target for any pullback there Singapore dollar looking for looking for this one to get another test of it's ascending trendline support the pitchfork support here by the time you're getting the third test is going to be key we really want to see that hold and get a sharp reaction to a sharp reaction to reversal if we do then the opportunity is going to be on the long side so ultimately take out this yearly pivot at 136 80 but it's going to be key to see how we trade on this trendline and test so that's one that's certainly on the screens that I'm watching the euro I'm running a long position from yesterday but it's running into a bit of resistance here so if if we get a pullback now in the euro that holds the 115 60 of support then we have the potential to put in a three-wave corrective move so we measure this leg here from that current low if we hold it so if we do hold it here then we get to move up into test resistance 116 70 and then from there we can see that next extension lower into the target here at 114 30 and obviously that would coincide with the dollar holding its support and an extending higher so we'll see how the euro trades here but I'm long just just below yesterday's high and we'll see now how we how we fare here with the euro still looking ultimately for at least a three-wave correction and then new lows on the basis that we don't have any meaningful divergence down here at the moment euro swiss looking for the euro swiss to test into the monthly and weekly range support and projected trend line support coming in 106 30 and from there we look for bullish reversal patterns and similar story a minimum target for the correction will be the 50 per cent retracement from the low there so that will take us back up into the 10 towards 108 in terms of the the euro swiss there but again we want to see those bullish reversal patterns before engaging on the long side euro sterling got a bit of weakness here now looking for that final move down to test this projected sending descending trend line support bunch of s3 pivots there looking for 83 50s and that could then complete this cycle and then we should look for a more meaningful correction in terms of euro sterling euro cad we are looking now for one more extension here to the downside looking for a test of this pivot low here the swing low so 142 60s if we can get in there watch the bullish reversal patterns there and again we can think about at least a correction back into these price cycle lows at 145 79 cautious obviously because we don't have any momentum divergence down here so that suggests this will only be a corrective advance and we should see new lows in terms of the euro cad sterling ideally looking for sterling to get a test of this descending trend line resistance so 137 96 now that's going to be a key test because we still have a potential seawave objective down here at 133 20 for sterling could be that we get this type of scenario now we can back in here hold and then get the advance into that descending trend line resistance that descending trend line resistance is going to be key for a bunch of markets really because if we take out this descending trend line resistance on a closing basis that would suggest then that this is our seawave low that it's complete we're not going to get the equality objective and again that will feed into the dollar view because if we get through on a closing basis through 138 then we can think about this correction being complete and then we can start to look again at challenging those 142 50 highs and extending through those so we're going to get some pretty decent trading information out of sterling incoming sessions but whilst we hold below this trend line we still look ultimately for this 133 20 to be checked before we can make that that next leg to the upside in terms of sterling sterling Aussie a nice trend line support coming in here and equality objective at 183 50 and we're paying close attention to how we trade there that could complete this major correction and then we can start to think about a move higher again sterling Aussie back up through that 191 50 so keep a close eye on 183 50 it's the abc equality objective and we've got this ascending trend line support here coming in sterling in has broken out now to the upside well we've got it clear now if we can clear 156 on a closing basis without getting uh without setting up a double top here if we get that closed then the target for sterling on the weekly chart is actually up to 164 but we're going to pay close attention to how price trades here because we could have a pretty significant double top scenario and why do I say that well I say it currently on the basis that we have quite a bit of divergence in play here in terms of sterling yen so this one I'm going to show you in a minute on the four hour chart whether it could be an opportunity in uh later today or tomorrow in terms of sterling yen um we'll take a look at four hour chart in a second on that one last few of these dailies let's check in with the Aussie so the Aussie has taken out its descending trend line resistance so that now sets a target for the Aussie at 75 39 uh as an equality objective versus this swing structure so be looking at potential pullbacks in the Aussie the Aussie yen actually we've got what I'm going to do now is I'm going to jump into the four hour charts and just give you some updates with respect to these these yen pairs because there are potentially a bunch of opportunities coming here so let's start with the sterling yen so you can see we're in this extension into into the top side of the of the pitchforks so what we've got here at the moment if we think about it in terms of wave structure I'll just draw this in for you so you can see so now this one two we've got a potential three four scenario here and this is the fifth wave now when we think about the fifth wave more often than not what we're looking for is an equal uh a wave five that's equal to wave one so if we are going to call this our four low we can see that that extension will take us into this projected ascending trendline resistance 15640 is the area to pay close attention to and certainly if we have this current momentum divergence still in play then what that's going to set up is going to be a uh at least a corrected move equal to this structure here for them taking it higher on small so this is what the play will be is if we get into that 15640 and get a bearish rejection so you know an outside reversal or pinbar rejection from that area then the setup is going to be an opportunity on the short side again we have to have that momentum divergence needs to be maintained and be and keep it in play then we can get back into this 15315 these prior highs and then from there we can start to think about the next major upside extension for sterling end and if we hold that area then certainly we want to be thinking about and move up into the 164 handle so there's a couple of great opportunities here in sterling end one is going to be playing the corrective short side and again you know looking at two or three hundred pit trades here but the main one that we want to pay attention to is going to be once that correction completes the opportunity then is going to be to get in on the long side and hold for a position play really in terms of sterling end so that's one that I'm tracking closely cad yen is another one got a similar type of setup here cad yen structure is a little bit different so we're currently now at this resistance so if we get a bearish rejection here we've got the momentum divergence then what we can think about initially with the cad yen is a correction equal to this move here and then we'd have this fifth wave extension so let's just get the equal leg there so from current levels this is what we've been looking for in terms of the cad yen so I move a correction here we've got momentum divergence so we can look at a bearish rejection looking then for a test of this 9040 area before then looking for a fourth wave low to be in play and then we put a fifth wave upside objective five equals one which will put us up into close to 94 so again the due the the the better opportunity here is not necessarily certainly it's it's a trade to fade this potential third wave high but it's the fourth wave buying opportunity that is the real the real play here for for these yen pairs let's take a look at Ozzy and you can see the setup it's it's similar looking at this resistance area here so we've got just draw this in quickly so we can think about this one two three four then a five somewhere here let's just get a five equals one target so there we go so we're looking for the dolly in towards that 84 50 and then we should see this correct to move replicated to a degree certainly the scale not necessarily the time so I mean the correction could be a bit more complex but in terms of scale we should be looking at something similar to that and then what we have then will be the fifth wave play which is this trade here so if we can get back down into this 83 area then we've got a potential fourth wave lower a high degree fourth wave low that sets up a run to 85 50 and then from there we can start to think about a more meaningful correction playing out something similar in scope to this leg here let's take a look at one more yen pair let's take a look at the Kiwi yen not quite a clean a chart I prefer the Aussie yen at the moment yeah I think I'll leave it there the Aussie yen and the cad yen are two that I think have a really nice clean patterns in play here oh and the sterling ends so those are my three three charts that I'm going to be paying close attention to in the next 24 hours as as opportunities on both the short and then the long side so that's that's a wrap for me that's what I'm watching paying close attention to these equity indexes the FX majors the dollar index and these and these yen crosses are there any questions equally if you don't have a question an end in the chat box is just as useful strongly suggest you take advantage of joining me in the Tickmill Emini S&P futures group 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All three of the boys look at that my boy Alan killing it double up already girls Here we go, baby three to nothing What's going on everybody? Welcome to another video before you guys even start watching this you need to pepper that like button up because guess what this video Is gonna be juicy today, and this is a new series. We're adding on to the channel It's gonna be girls versus boys fishing challenges because you know we got the sky fishing team here Got a lot of cool kids, and we're deciding to add a new series on the channel That's what we're gonna be doing if you guys want to see some more boys versus girl challenges Be sure to pepper it up also leave a comment below, and if you haven't subscribed. I'm Noah host of the show She's probably subscribed. So what are we doing today? So they don't know how to talk about a camera, so we're gonna be where you do this so this is what we're doing 33 fishing challenge we got Katie Alexis Chaston Alan Adam, and you guys your boy Noah right here. We're actually gonna be going to a canal I have never been before I've actually installed on Google Maps. I was like man, this thing looks juicy We need to go check it out. So we're about to hop in two cars.   I promise. Oh, yeah, I'm about to throw the flu Big Alan's got a buzzbait Buzzbait force myself to catch him on a buzzbait. He's never caught one on it It's probably gonna rain here, so I'm just gonna warn you guys that so we're probably gonna get a little bit wet But that drop shots gonna catch them. I promise you it's gonna send the girls to the ground That's gonna be good going down going down. All right guys, so we're gonna divide and conquer I'm gonna throw a weightless worm.    He always Everything And Alan's never even caught one on a buzzbait, so I don't even know how I'm about to warn you guys We got some major weather above us wind is whipping super hard, so I don't know how this audio is gonna be We're gonna stop here real quick There are a few caches to see what we can do we're gonna film some and then we're probably gonna have to relocate locations because It you can't really tell but it's I'm telling you it's about to come down. It's about to happen This wind is not good Not good at all.  Look at them all. He's like an eight-pounder There's so many giants behind them.  Look at that freaking double up already girls All right, everybody so two first fish All right boys, you got to save all that man We literally were fishing For 30 seconds and it started pouring and now it just stopped what in the world did that was stupid But to recap that was the craziest thing ever We I literally threw out there at the drop shot first cast I already had a fish on I hooked them when I got him up to the bank There was a two and like a six to eight pounder with him and Adam literally just pitched his thing and just caught one right away We're about to get back out there. I have no idea why just rain for point two seconds. We got so oh Man Alan's got one now All three of the boys look at that my boy Alan killing it. That's a good fish. That's your first buzz me fish Dude look at that. This is a solid one. He just slammed it. Dude the conditions right now. It's perfect for that buzz bait Water's so clear guys. It's crazy. It's crazy on the buzz bait. There you go, bro. Let's get a release on them. All right, Alan Good job, bro Here we go, baby three to nothing So one for the girls two for the boys. I think three for the boys. Three for the boys unfortunately It's a fish. Adam! The Adam? That's Adam. Yeah, that's Adam. Getting a release Just made it to our next location. We got one or we got one. They got one. We got four of my boys We're killing they're killing it, man.  I'm gonna try to find a path so I can flip my creature bait in it Let me show you what we're working with Right there off that tree. You ready? Chasen's got one Oh, no Chasen's got her one Oh, it happened. All right, you guys are on different teams, but that's some respect some respect Chasen hold it on. There we go Good job. All right. Now Alexis is your turn. It's seriously you get bad luck from it But that's the girls taking fish Chasen hold that thing up one more time. There we go. So that's two to four now Good job Okay, so we didn't get a bite back here, but I really have to go to the bathroom. So that's what we're gonna do Oh my god Yes All right, baby There's another one. I don't care how small he is. He's still count number five, baby five to two Right here with my uh competition. Noa pescatelli. What do you have to say to us?  Allen's caught one and Adams caught one Yeah, all right. So what six to what? No, five Three plus two is five girls. You said three three and one. That's the first problem Three one and one three one and one and you guys have what two fish you've caught one and chasen's caught one I don't know wait till you see the video. Just wait. I'm about to catch me an old eight. I'll be back Guys, there's a 10 pounder in the water literally I've seen it like multiple times. Do you see how big it was? He's every bit it's in Dude he's freaking giant. All right, so it's half time me and Chasen. I gotta roll out But we're gonna see who's gonna win. Noah and Allen or katie and alexis So so what do you guys are gonna win five to two right now? So We're we're ahead. I'm sorry. He's gonna have it by the way Last second it always happens. All right. I guess we'll see but that's that's them over there And I don't know what they're doing. See they're not even focused. They only know I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, she does Whatever See exactly see my boy adam knows us by the way if you want to check out my boy adam I'll pop his right there chasen I'll pop hers up on the screen as well. Go give them a follow. They're gonna be in some more episodes So pretty much this is gonna be a new series on the channel. We're doing boys versus girls So if you guys want to see some more like this, be sure to pepper that like button But this is half time the video is not over yet. So don't click on All right people So this is the remainder of the boys versus girls fishing challenge got my boy allen is 2v2 right now We're gonna smack it. No smack smack.  We're already winning hashtag winning below Hashtag winning below we're going out. All right. We'll show me. I don't know if this is considered cheating But we're gonna try one of these she brought grenades man. We should have brought a tnt You had him What do you just come off? He stole your fluke didn't he how how big was he? Really?  Oh my gosh.  I don't know dude. He's gnawing on it. He just never had it all the way I guess we've had two chances to catch a fish and they both came off So we don't know we haven't got any more bites over here. We're about to get sneak on their side of the pond You got him. You got him. My boy. Come on. Yes Allen let's go Dude, they ain't got a chance That was it. That was a fish Yep, 64. Here we go boy. Do good job on the drop shot. Look at that right in the top. Do a good job.  Oh my gosh. I think I just put them away, dude I don't think they can do nothing about that. I don't know where they're at I haven't heard if they've caught any fish, but I think that's it. All right, Allen. What is that seven a seven bro That's seven seven to four. I think it is. I don't think they've caught. I don't know if they caught any It's a small one, but still counts though. Yeah There we go boy. I think let's put them away, man That was it right there. I was about to get Allen saying it's about time to go in so We're gonna go in we're gonna see how many fish they got because Alex is all the other side of the lake I do not know, you know if they have any fish or not last time I heard they have four and we have seven now. It would be eight. Yeah, but he didn't take a picture of one of them a while ago So I guess we're gonna go see and uh, we'll meet him at the trial We just sat down and guess we're gonna see how me and all Allen bob Katie Alexis, but guess what there's one thing. Alexis has the final answer. So so when we came out here me and Allen had five Boy that the boys had five and you guys had what two two. Yeah. All right, so Alexis, how many did you catch? I caught one and then Katie caught one. I caught one. Yep. So that's four It's done deal and that Allen caught two. Yeah, so seven is done It's a done deal the boys won first episode ever boys versus girl challenge You guys enjoy this one and you guys want to see some more you guys want to see some more juicy content Then be sure to pepper that like button up because guess what the next episode of the boys versus girls Fishing challenge is going to be on the boat. So that's gonna be good. It's gonna be a juicy one We're gonna win this time. I don't know about that one, but me and my me and my boy out But listen, I called my shots we called her shots at the beginning old giraffe shot old buzzbee What you guys what you guys gotta say about that? I mean we still caught them just We had some One of the ones Alexis caught was pretty good. I feel like you guys caught a lot of like dinks and We totally wanted weight Okay, oh, hold on Allen.   It was almost three is like two and three quarters. Are you an adam? Yeah, we doubled up. It's two and three. Oh wait. The one I got on the bus It was not that big. I haven't my phone. It was probably about the size of the one I caught. Look on that footage I lied Either way my boys my boys fish weighed about two pounds But guys if you guys enjoyed this video be sure to pepper that like button up Let me know on the ideas that you have for the next boys versus girl fishing challenge And let me know your thoughts like uh, what you guys thought of the video Obviously in the conversation below, you know that little red button below uh below here.  That's the subscribe button Also, there's a little bell right next to it. 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