Thank you so much for sticking to Y254 TV. Welcome back to the Power Talk Show. My name is Sheryl Blessing and this evening, we're having a conversation on friendships and relationships. How can friendships affect your relationships? Can they add value or can they break your relationships? Joining me live on set is Beryl and Pasta Edwin Diego. Karibuni sana. So before we went on our break, we were just having a conversation.  So now we were asking what if your partner tells you they don't like your friend. So I want us to give it the perspective of the toxicity. Kuskuna otu njoko toxic and they want to isolate you because they feel like your friends might see them for who they are and you're blinded by love and infatuation and all these things you can't see, they're negative. So in that perspective, how can you address something like that? Or how can you find out from your friends why they don't like him or why your partner, how can you, through wisdom, how can you approach that situation? Ya, it's very... I like the perspective you've also brought because as you were just leaving, we were going for the break. I'd mentioned you need to find out the reason as to why your partner is saying that I don't like your friends. And from that reason, you can get to know on whether he wants to isolate you as you are saying or indeed there is something very tangible which he has seen or which he has seen which you need to look at seriously and critically because we are trained to be analytical. We are trained to reason out, question everything that goes on in our lives. And in reasoning, that is when you'll be able to receive and find the reason as to why my partner is telling me he doesn't like my friends. It is because of A, B, C, D. And this one, we can be able to agree and negotiate because when you do not see the reason as in then, you'll have to change this perspective. But if at all whatever is pointing out to be a reason, it is something which is tangible, then it is something to be considered. So it is in both ways. You have to analyze on what is the level of relationship with your partners and it is after how long. Someone may just come and within a short time they are telling you I do not want to see your friends. We have had those situations even in the church that a lady was very, very much committed to church but all of a sudden you come to realize that she's no longer coming to church and you're wondering why doesn't she come to church?  You understand. So it is very, very much important you get to weigh on the perspective of your partner and the point of view which has been given about your friends and then you get to make a conclusion. So you really have to assess. You have to assess. And I believe that also applies for friends who tell you I don't like your partner. It applies both ways.  Is it wise for you to say that? Because as you've said, it can just be a case of misconception. Maybe they saw them in a situation. Maybe your friend was drunk and acting out. We call it the hard effect. Someone from the first time. For the first time and they got the wrong impression without really understanding this person. So is it wise to share that with the other party to try and get them to get along? What would you say to that burial? As Pasiya said, get to know about the matter in details.  My guy doesn't like you. Why? He saw you drunk. I'm like, how long does Sheryl get? Okay, Sheryl is drunk. Then on what actions does she take? On what level? What are behaviors? How does that affect our relationship? If Sheryl tells me, you know your guy seems like a toxic guy on what level? Did he say something? Is it something that can lead to something? So you do not just come in and say everything bluntly because you may destroy a relationship that maybe will stand out in the future and come to your rescue. I may destroy the bond that maybe the friendship that could have been between my partner and my friend. Because they say that when you want to know someone at least talk or speak to their friends. So maybe they want to know me and I've already told Sheryl, Sheryl, my guy doesn't like you. Anytime Sheryl will be seeing my partner, she'll be like, no. It's just a no. And maybe if I tell my guy that you know Sheryl doesn't like you, anytime they don't even want to me seeing me associating. So before you speak something or you communicate a message to the other party, kindly get to know. And I'm telling Sheryl, my guy doesn't like you because of one, two, three. I don't want you to destroy this relationship that you guys may form. So Sheryl, what can we do about it? Can we find a way to change it? Can we find a way to improve on the action? You do not just say everything out bluntly. So it's wisdom. It takes a lot of wisdom because clearly in relationships and friendships, this is sensitive because these are human relationships. You're dealing with someone with feelings, their own personalities. And as you've said, that's very important because it could be your best friend and this could be your future husband. And you're going to be together for 50 years, all of you. So you cannot affect the relationship because of maybe one mis-understanding or a situation like that. So it takes wisdom for you to know how to approach the matter. Now let me get into boundaries. How do we set the boundaries? Because you can be expectant and you're married and they want to throw you a baby shower and they're like send us you guys gambas so that we talk to him and do all this and that. And sometimes it's not because of the best of interest or something. How do you create the boundaries such that even when your friends and your partner meets or even you meeting your friends' partners, you know that there is a certain boundary we can't cross. There are certain conversations we can't have. How do we set that faster? Boundaries are very, very much important in general and in any nature of relationship. Let me not even about just friends. Even when it comes to family, you need to set boundaries right because this is a relationship. So when it comes to boundaries, it is how you get to agree with your partner that this is the far that you can allow friends to get. And Sheryl, people are not attracted to how you look. You may look so good, you may be dressing so nicely. People are attracted to the value they draw from you. Let us not lie to one another. People are attracted to the value that they draw from you.  So boundaries are set depending on the value that those friends are bringing in that said relationship.  For instance, we are in a relationship and every moment whenever we are at a place where we are feeling no, even this relationship is headed towards a breakup but there is a friend who comes in strongly and makes the both of us to see the sense. You had asked something of what even it takes for someone to pick up someone as a maid of honor or a bride of honor. It takes what value is this person bringing in the relationship which you are having. Pahaps yi ni wale wa tum na pigashere kila siku. There is a friend who tells you if you are looking for to begin a family, na yiku pigashere mna pigashere, or honestly, what does what end up shuli?  So depending on the value that these friends are bringing into that relationship, that is where you get to draw the boundary.  And when you take note of any toxicity towards the relationship and both of you can be able to judge and say, hey, according to the comments that this guy gives you, just keep such a person away because it will be toxic. When you realize you have friends who are not helping in any way in that particular relationship, they are friends who are sadists. Whenever you're going through a circumstance, yeah, it becomes humor to them you need to take note of that. So you draw the boundary depending on the value that you draw from that particular relationship. Thank you. And I want us to dive into a bit of accountability, but before that, let me get some of your comments. So if we can pull that up to more, let's sample some of the comments that you've shared with us about this conversation. This is from a Facebook, I believe. We have young Trapper who says, I used to show my friend who I am dating with, but then I realized that friends of the destiny killers, they can betray you. For me, I can't tell my friend about my relationship, never young Trapper. Nini, if I need you, you need to share some of this information. Wa li bams chanama, what happened? Do we have any more, yeah? We have young Savage who says, watching from Batwash. Thank you so much for tuning in. No but Liwa says, summer enemies of progress, but I can share with one or two. That's why, because you've assessed. Anton Neta Kimatare, Toma says, wapenwa, that, oh. That one. Don't, yeah, don't too fast. Isaac Naliyanya says, butare equal locked in, I can never involve my friends in my marriage, that can never happen. No, yo, I win the cup. What happened? Pediwa Saddam Deka says, tika 237, well represented. Thank you so much for tuning in. Do we have any more comments? We have Ibrahim Haimba, Wasi says, vitu zinginesina hita jimbogi, ah, hazi ita jimbogi. Eh, wukukwani, I'm wondering, what are the friends doing? The level of friends being destinikilizes. Many people are lost trust in friends. Yeah. Many people, because of the occurrences, or what is the, many people have lost trust when it comes to friends. And is it because of the lack of boundaries? Because some of them, as we talked about, the way, Beryl gave us a very clear example. Rafkiya kwa reza kwatu ana ceklistan na temo, yami nitaftia buwana na hajuwi. You know, even the guys can be like that, because sometimes guys will see you dating someone and they are the friend, but they will still approach you. So is it because the lack of boundaries, Ima, Beryl, what do you think can bring up this issue? I think we do not understand what it means to be keeping it private and keeping it a secret. So be keeping it, I'm making it not a secret, we do not understand. I feel like if I don't tell people about my man, I'm already, my relationship is private, but in real sense it's becoming a secret because people don't know who I am with. Now, the other thing is how do you represent your patina out there? Because let me say I'm in a relationship and every time I go to Sherry, he gives me more things. In fact, I don't even like him, I like the other one. So Sherry realizes this is a gap. You hear? So how do you represent your patina out there?  Mama na figure. I'm like, ah, we are chana naiye. In fact, she's the one that is always in my DMs and all that. Ah, I'm not even interested. And his friend, so I am on his list. I am the right woman on his journal. Pasi, there is a presentation of a chance right there. It's how do you represent your patina? Let us make sure that we represent our patinas in a way where someone knows, that is an area that I cannot go to. There's some boundaries that I can approach very. If my patina shows when I call his like, let me talk to my woman, you see? When he calls, I'm like, let me talk to my man first. I give him a certain respect and priority. My friends realizes this thing is serious and they know how to approach it. They cannot just find any chance because I've not let any chance. There's no space for you guys to mingul in. He is a priority. So I do not expect you to find you in this space. But if he calls and I'm like, ah, I'll talk to him later. In fact, I'm giving someone else around this table a chance to get into my space. And that was very clear because Pia, it's the representation, the way you speak about your patina, the boundaries you've set with your friends even. When in case you're meeting your friends, a Masijunini and your girlfriend is coming in, you have to know this is my woman. You do not talk to her a certain way. We do not have certain conversations around her. So that respect will translate to how they will, maybe they will accept your patina or treat your patina and maybe then view them in future. But now before the show started, I was sharing about the situation where I think there was a viral video going around of a lady who was being beaten up. It wasn't a fast occurrence because based on the story it happened before. And the guy was beating up the lady. The lady was there. The guy had a friend there. The friend wasn't bothered. The friend didn't say anything, didn't mention anything. So we talked about accountability. You mentioned accountability. How do we hold our friends accountable in situations like that? If you feel like my friend is toxic in their relationship, my friend is cheating and I am aware that they are cheating. How do you hold them accountable? It's important whenever you're having friends. Have friends who have virtues and qualities that you would want to relate with. And that is why someone ever said somewhere, do not let your friends choose you. Yeah, choose them. They say, I don't allow friends to choose me. I choose my friends depending on what. On the values and the virtues that I would want.  So once you do that, then correcting a friend whenever they go wrong becomes something which is very, very easy because if at all I call you my friend and I cannot correct you whenever there is something which is wrong, then it means that friendship is misplaced. It is misinterpreted. It means that is not a friendship. So friendship is not psychofancy. It is not a matter of me showering praises unto you even when you are in the wrong. No, I will only be a friend if at all there is a time when you're doing something which is not right. I'm there to tell you, no Sheryl, this one is wrong and we cannot continue in that direction. And that is why we tell people look at who is it that someone listens to. If at all I would want to pick on Berrill as a friend, I would want to know who does Berrill listen to. Who is her speed govern? Who is that one person that when I can get to call she will be able to cool down and would want to listen? Be very, very careful about people who tell you they cannot listen to anybody, even a friend. That is somebody who cannot be accountable and it means that is somebody who cannot get to listen.  Kuna wale mabeshi na wangana wangana kwa mbiai mimi akunam tuoneza niyambiai kitu. That one is danger, it's a red flag. You need to run away from such a flag. Don't say red is your favorite color. Because all levels of relationship accountability is very, very key. It's important because that's what makes you a better person. You know, sometimes people are not even aware that maybe they get late every time. They don't know they have poor time management skills. So if you do not hold your friends accountable then they can't get better. They'll stay the same. But now let's flip it to the people who are just jealous. They see that your relationship is thriving, you're happy, your partner treats you so right. Maybe it's even a marriage and they've been unable to get into a marriage or even a lasting relationship and they're jealous. So they give you information based on their jealousy. Beryl, how can you know? Uyurafiki, unimbaya, uyako tu jealous na na medil to every situation they just want to know. What happened? Yesterday you went to your man. What happened? Were you fighting? What went on? How do you manage things like that? Your partner. Let's start there. How well do you know your partner? As for me, I know myself as an explode. I react quickly to things. So if something is said to my partner about a very limited certain situation, how well does he know me? Or if I'm being told something about him, how well do I know him? That is where we start from. Because if he's told I do not drink and he's told by the way Beryl went to the club, she was shouting and all that, how well does he know me to that extent? So before any information is presented unto you, ask yourself, do I know my partner in this way? And if I do, to what extent do they react to this situation? Because we have that category of jealousy, pure jealousy because if I could not have it, then nobody else can have it. So before we react on any message, even if my partner's friends come and tell me, bithi you know your guy with other ladies and all that, how well do I know my man? How well do I know how he relates with others? That is where we have the trust in the... We have different, I always tell myself, we have different levels of trust. And in your relationship you need to have 100% trust. You need to have good, I will always repeat on communication, you need to have good communication always. When something and you know just come laughing around, oh Sheryl I was told you are in the club jumping on top of the table, you will not come like that. Bring a situation Sheryl, I saw a video on a lady in the club and what is your opinion on that? Get to analyze what they say in the matter and then present whatever you want to say. Create an environment. I love Obina's shows because I love the way he started because of the way he used to bring food. We say when food is there people relax. So make sure before you speak something as sensitive as that, make sure Obina is comfortable. And I like the aspect of trust. It took me back to this popular song about a lady who left the relationship because of advice from the friends and now it's years later and she was regretting the decision. She wanted to go back but then it was too late. So it gets me to thinking how should we make decisions based on the information that we get? Should we just take what our friends tell us or should we know how to pick and choose? You gave us a very clear example of someone who listened to different age groups, assessed and then made up his own mind. So how can you decide what information should I pick and what should I drop? Because you can end up ruining a good relationship without really fully making up a decision based on you. It's because of the information that your friends are giving you. So what decisions should you tie to the advice based on your friends? Amma, how should you pick and choose and know? I've listened to this. They've given me this information but I will not run with it because I know my partner or I've listened to it and maybe I was feeling like this person was a bit toxic. So now that someone else has affirmed it, then we need to go. How should you pick and choose? One, we have said how do you get to deal with jealous friends? I believe that is what is bringing us to the second question. One, any time anyone is raising something up Sheryl, if I told you as somebody who is wise, you will know whether they are raising it out of concern or they are just passing information.  There is somebody who will tell you something and you know this one is telling me this because in one way or another, they are concerned. But another way they will raise it, this one is just trying to pass certain information. That is how you get to pick jealousy out of a statement. And any time they speak, it is more of criticism than positivity. Even if there is something positive to talk about, they will not talk about it. They will only criticize and you will know here there is a problem. This is not just information that I should be able to pick on and react on. The other thing is that any moment you get information, verify, get to the root of that particular information, is it a fact, is it a suspicion or is it an allegation?  Because it may fall into those categories. It is either a fact, it is either a suspicion or it is an allegation.  What is, what happened to your relationship if at all it was just an allegation? They just alleged, they told you, then you reacted over it.  But if it is a suspicion, it means there may be truth in it and at the same time it is information that you cannot trust as much. But if it is a fact, then it is something which has been verified and even maybe there is evidence about it, then you get to know how do I get to work on that. So acting on any given information should depend on how you know your partner. I will agree with Beril how much do you know the person with because there are things I can be told about Beril and I can stand out in the open refute and say that if you say it, it's Beril no. I know that she cannot do that. Yes. Which is important. It's really important to really know and verify because you know sometimes people jump on information actually can be one anani and they don't know and as we've talked about trust, you may know your partner.  So you will be quick to buy into what your partner is saying. So I want us to get into a few more topics but briefly because time is running out I want to talk about friends who will not be there to celebrate your milestones. You just got married. It's your first anniversary. You may invite them too. I'm busy. Baby shower, I'm busy. First birthday, I'm busy. So how do you know? How can you Beril? Because the last time we were having a conversation you're very sentimental about friendship. You like to hold on to your friends. How can you tell? This one is genuinely busy. Nahu yu hani penditu. Uni heta na jifanya because say maybe you're going out, you're going for lunch all that they're available but when it comes to celebrating your personal milestones within your relationship perhaps it's because of their experiences they're not there to celebrate with you. How do you take that? As for me, we need to learn about acceptance. And at times things happen in our life and some of our friends are not able to relate with them. We need to accept that I moved to a certain milestone and they are not able to be there for me. It is time to let go. Because we cannot continue hanging around. Just because I love this tree and it's not producing apples, should I continue to keep the tree there? It's not even providing shade. You need to learn. And as much as you love this tree, you planted it, you've gone, it has been there to keep the sun from you and all that, you need to learn to let go. When you see someone is not there celebrating your milestones, your achievements, then you know it is time. That is when you say that times it is just time to let go. Those are some of the characteristics to know how to and when to let go. Because there are people who are genuinely preoccupied and the people who just don't want to be there because what I celebrate and we miss in a buwana, at us in a boyfriend. So bringing me to, we have some friendships who they might get into a new relationship and you know the partner is toxic and you try to bring up that aspect but your friends are not receptive.   Pasta, how can you approach something like that? If you tell your friend once, twice, thrice and they're not receptive, do you let go at a wewe ama? We are only responsible of giving people advice but we can never make a decision for them. So your part as a friend is just to advise, tell them because if anything happens in any case and you did not point it out and then later on you come and say wana jo ni liana? ni wewe yetusi wana, no, they will blame you. But the moment you point it out and then later on they come to see it is you raise it as a concern. Then definitely next time you tell them something they are gonna listen to you.  So first of all ensure that you are giving a judgment that can be trusted and just know that you can get to the place of advising somebody but you cannot make a decision for them entirely. The decision remains to be their responsibility. And I like what you've said, sometimes it's your responsibility to mention it because you will be held accountable in case something happens and you were there all along and you never said something. So let's take it back to conflict because as we said there are situations where your partner and your friends cannot get along or they may have some difference in opinion about something. Maybe it's even, let's talk about career wise. You've gotten into a marriage, you want to start a family, you want to start having kids but you also want to grow your career. So your partner may not agree with you about that but then your friend is supportive because your friend knows what you've been through and they know that you can probably handle and balance the two. So the two of them can clash because mbonuia kusapot na mbonuia nakua advice if you need advice, Maya. So how can you come together and solve conflicts? Things like that that can come up between your partner and your friend especially if it's long term and it's marriage. Beril, I don't know if you can say something on that. I've been following certain talks and I don't know, they say the women activists, women empowerment is too much but I've been learning something and it talks about the woman knowing how to prioritize themselves first. Before I make a decision, I love, I always love to speak to myself first. I have certain part of my house where I love sitting and they call it, it's my room, it's my consultation room for me by me. It is somehow why I sit alone.  We have the mirror challenge. You can speak to yourself in the mirror, the other side responds to these other side and you just imagine. It's like an imitation of the other person, the other you. So before if we have such a situation, I think what you can do is you as a person without the influence of your partner or your friends, what do you stand for? Yeah. So you have to start from yourself, it's not just the external factors and then you can move forward. Now to tie that up because time is really not on our side, let me ask the final question. Let's say you have a friend who one time betrayed you. Wale kwa bia boyfriend ukiwa high school. Amma, you know they pitad with your girlfriend, someone you are catering and then they hit on them wakanza kudet. How can you move forward from that?  Is it possible for you to take that as a friend? Or do you know that this person is really not a friend? How can you approach a situation like that? Yeah, once someone is a traitor, just know that in one way or another they did not have a good intentions for you. We say respect at times involves you walking away and making decisions that will make you to move forward. Yeah, as you have always said, it is a bad day. It is good to get to know people who are in your life. They are not bad people. It is only that they are not meant to be together with you. Even those people who are not your friends, it is not that they are bad people, no. It is only that you are not compatible. So they are not bad people. They are not enemies either. But it just means they cannot be within your circle. They cannot. I like that. And that's the perfect way to end the conversation. I think we've covered most ground on this conversation, although it's a very, very wide conversation. And I'm sorry because based on the responses that we've gotten, so many people do not trust their friends with their relationships. So I hope we can all take some of the lessons. The one thing I've gotten is you have to really know yourself and you have to apply wisdom with your friends and in your relationship. So that is the one thing I hope that you've taken away as well, apply wisdom, be able to assess situations, assess your friends, assess your partners and make wise decisions. So I think that is it. And I hope you've gotten something. I repeat for this show will happen tomorrow between one and two p.m. And we will be back next week with the yet another interesting conversation. So stick to Y254 and enjoy your evening.


My name is Ibrahim Gambari, currently Chief of Staff to President Muhammad Ubarri of Nigeria. I'm here at the USIP to continue the kind of conversation that we often have on US-African relationship, US-Nigerian relationship and the issues of mutual interest and concerns between the United States and Nigeria, particularly in Africa in general. Well, first he has instructed all the security agencies in the country to ensure that they provide climate conducive to the exercise of the right of people to vote whoever it is that they want to be elected. And he has shown this when in Anambra, which is one of the in the southeastern states of Nigeria, where there's been a lot of violence, he made sure that that happened. And the security forces, they are quite large, about 35,000. We told them you are not to intimidate voters, but to create a climate conducive for them to exercise their right to vote. He intends to do the same in the general election, which is to make sure that there's enough security for people to exercise their right to vote. But it's also counting on civil society, organization elders in the country and the political party leaders and candidates to also be responsible and talk to their supporters, particularly the candidates and the leaders to say that what is important is pre and fair process and to accept the results, whatever they may be, and if they have issues with the result to go to the court, as he did because he ran for president 2003, 2007, 2011 and lost, went to the Supreme Court. And it's only in the fourth attempt before he was elected in 2015 and re-elected in 2019. So leadership by example in the Kanova outcome that he's recommending for Nigeria. By engaging the candidates, by engaging civil society and by kind of advising privately this is election by Nigerians for Nigerians but the outcome one way or the other has impact not only in Nigeria, in West Africa, in Africa and even globally. And also if need be to issue at an appropriate time some statement of support for a peaceful process. And I think in some cases some of the Western countries have also issued threats that whoever it is that consciously obstructs the free exercise of votes by Nigerians will have visa, not do not find it easy to get visa to come to this country. So carrot sticks but always conscious of lining behind those in Nigeria who are counseling the same. Well, ordinarily people look at the legacy of Presembuarias in terms of physical infrastructure development which has been neglected over the years. Railroads, roads, Mejuhaewi, Lagos, Ibadan, Abuja to Kano. The second Niger bridge which has been in the planning for decades he made it possible strides in improving the power situation in the country but the less tangible but not less real is his commitment to free and fair election.  So those are the two major or three major legacies. Now in terms of the advice that he will give to his successor, he hopes the successor will build on the legacies, build on the enormous progress made under his administration and do better particularly tackling the issue of youth unemployment and the issue of security which are really the principal goals and objectives of state policy and above all doing everything possible to keep the country together in peace so that development can occur and the people can also enjoy the right to choose the leader that they may wish.


If I look at digital, I think the biggest challenge is the mindset of an advertiser with yet getting used to how to use digital and to get the best ROI out of it. And as that changes, I think there will be no stopping digital. I think digital has the potential to almost double its contribution within ad spends. But like I said, that's going to differ from brand to brand and company to company.


All right, Planet Ocean tides are changing is the theme for World Ocean Day 2023. Now the UN is joining forces with decision makers, indigenous leaders, scientists, private sector executive, civil society, celebrities and youth activists to put the ocean first. World Ocean Day reminds everyone of the major role, the ocean have in everyday life. They are the long of our planet and a major source of food and medicine and a critical part of the biosphere. It's so interesting we're discussing flooding on today's World Ocean Day. How coincidental. Honestly, it wasn't planned. Whoopsie, you want to call me? That's a really big coincidence right there. No really, I literally did not know today was World Ocean Day or more. It was the suffering of people that I said, this is too much, let's discuss. But hey, I think different environmental specialists have come out to say that the rate we're going as a people if we do not pay attention to what we're doing today, in the very near future, we would have a very big problem in our hands. I've seen different videos, especially I think on Business Insider in India, in different places where you see massive chunks of plastic going into the ocean, like every body that knows, they always say these things, but I still don't understand why we don't, just we're not paying attention to it. Maybe because it's the thing, okay, it's not affecting me yet. They've opened some bellies of fishes in the water and they've seen chunks of plastic. At some point, you see different mammals dying as a result of what's it called, ocean, the issues that goes into the water and all of that. So I mean, it's not something that we have to take lightly because again, there is a balance and every particular part of this our planet, the way God orchestrated it, it has its role. And if you abuse it, it would also for the consequences. I believe that some of the problems that we're even facing with earthquakes, what's it called, volcanic eruption, droughts in some places, excessive rain in some places, fire in some places and all of that. All these things are as a result of climate change and it's because of the abuse of our climate. So I think for every opportunity that we get, let's just try to keep our oceans clean. Sustainable. And blue. Yeah, blue planet after all. A very, very one. Okay, so who am I starting with? Jennifer, let me come to you. What's your story? So Teni, the singer and artist, said that people should remove the female tag and that she's the best in the industry. So she tweeted today saying, make an accomplished female tag. We are artists and now we bad pass for everything. Steezo, musical performance, everything.  Correct. They're all good. I don't even know which one is bad anymore. All of them, they are okay. The video called them. It's called Burnaboy that is the new cat on the block. I saw one video of Burnaboy bamboo, like they show the bamboo, like struggling with a door that this is how Burnaboy is going to go to the video's house. All these artists, they should just leave us one. But they're all artists. I think she doesn't want the segregation where you say male artists, female artists. Because again, it affects the pay. Yeah, because they don't pay you enough as a female artist because they feel like the men are better. I mean, it's a male industry, dominated industry, that kind of thing. So I really get where she's coming from because sometimes on most of these artists, the women actually sing way better than some of these men. And they pull in more crowd. But I mean, I'm not in the music industry, so I really cannot say. Oh, Burnaboy, give it to him. I think for me. Even now, Mekambe, international stars, they said, it broke history. You know what I like about Burnaboy, what I'm liking about the artist or what I'm learning as well is the confidence and belief in yourself. Burnaboy, I like Burnaboy as an artist. I don't really know much about him as an individual. So when people are dragging him, different things he says, I'm like, if you listen to his song, there's some parts in lyrics where he's like, I'm the best and I know I'm the best.  Confident. Yes, do you understand? Like, what is good is good. There's nothing you can't drop out of it. You can actually even still have a bad character, but the talent is there. And he knows it. And he owns it. He owns it. And I'm just like, look, imagine if as an individual, you believe in yourself. Like, is what you tell yourself you are that you want? That would manifest.  Like, if you tell yourself I'm the greatest and the giant of Africa, you, no matter what, even when you're on the ground, you are really on the ground. You say, no, I'm the giant of Africa. You really be the giant of Africa. I'm the giant of Africa. Absolutely. So that's something I learned from them. It's okay. Yeah. It's just a story. Okay, so my story is an Apple, our favorite brand, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, so Apple has introduced the Vision Pro, a mixed reality headset. It's the company's most significant hardware innovation in years. The headset expected to be for sale early next year for $3,499 will give users a chance to connect to apps from Apple and others in an entirely new way. Apple CEO Tim Koch said the device, which blends virtual reality and augmented reality is the first product you look through and not at.  The eye size feature makes the headset look see-through, allowing the wearer's eyes to be seen from the outside when someone else walks into the room. Biko, is this how the headset will look like? Yeah. Okay. They lost me. Who's in your story? They don't lose me, Biko. Even the one they did, the glasses, was it Google or Facebook? Because it's... I think eventually we will want to do it. I'm not so much of a tech freak like that. If you don't pass risk to watch Apple, leave me a laptop. Imagine watching a movie and it's enlarged, as opposed to having to buy a big TV screen. Oh, I get you now. So it's the same way with the AirPods Max, where you're not always walking on the road with the big thing over your head, but then maybe you can be walking out and watching a movie in virtual reality. I think that would be amazing. Oh, okay.  I know, if you're Google. I think Google has this AR thing, where you can actually Google an animal and then you want to see it in an AR form and then you can actually just place it somewhere. They have some furniture apps as well. Not in Nigeria, IKEA, House, and who else. I think Amazon also has that feature, where you can just select a particular furniture. Say you're trying, you have a new apartment and you're trying to put it in. So you can not fit it into your house. Oh, to make it. To make it. So this will really be helpful for interior businesses. So you just fix it in. You can fix a whole. And see what it looks like before you then go and purchase it. And even while you're doing that, you can change the color of the furniture to suit your apartment. So you already have an idea. Okay, I don't necessarily have to call anyone to do this. You can also check measurements as well. Just measure your space, put it in there and basically just go online and then order the furniture down to your space and then everything is sorted out. The problem where I get to all these features is that you do not have a label in Nigeria. But let us be seen. Are we not here? It will, it will. Okay, let us see. Five years. You're just going to be really expensive. Really expensive. Who's you? Are you a gadget person too? But I like this explanation Jennifer gave. I mean I am, but I mean there's some gadgets that I don't understand why they have to be so expensive. Particularly with this brand, they consistently... What's your... You've lost me. Sorry? You are your own, you've lost me. Don't go to... No, because I mean come on. This is a gadget that is going for $3,500, right? The closest thing on the market, I mean I think this combines AI and virtual reality. The closest thing on the market is about $300 and something. I mean as you can admit that 10%, something that is less than 10% of what is coming. It's a huge gap and I know it's a niche market, but sometimes I just wonder if these prices, I mean come on, but to each their own, the Apple fans I'm sure they'll be queuing on day one to buy it, but I always just question those prices when I see them, particularly when, I mean I just can't even explain, I can't justify it. But then, like I said, it's new technology, so I guess proprietary information, monies in R&D needs to be reclaimed or what I say recouped. Anyway, moving on to my story. So my headline says, Jaffa, Nigeria lost many bright youth to other countries and that is being, that was said by the outgoing House of Reps, outgoing Speaker of the House of Reps and of course incumbent Chief of Staff to the new President of the Federation. He was speaking at the Balladictory session organized by the Ninth House in Abuja earlier, no doubt this was yesterday. So according to the Speaker, youth have lost faith in Nigeria, choosing to seek their futures in other countries of the world. And he's basically saying that both the executive and legislative arms of the government was act fast to avoid the Nigerians' bright youth exiting the country for Europe. So, well exactly, so that's one of the points. First of all that, you know, people have been living in their drifts for a couple of years now. He did go on to say that despite the considerable investments that have been made into public infrastructure and numerous reforms, that we still face many challenges in the country and that has caused the citizens to lose hope and to lose faith, rather, and to choose to find their fortunes in other lands. Now why this story stood out for me, of course, this is a bit of a sore point for a lot of people, particularly the people who are here, trying to fill the gaps that this brain drain is causing. We're definitely losing some of our best and brightest. So to hear someone who, I mean, has been within the auspices of the government, I believe since 2003, he's been house of rep, I think he's been re-elected six times for his constituency to be saying this. I'm like, please, what's all the time you were there? How did you help the youth? And we've gotten to this phase, we've gotten to this point where we're now asking the question of how we restore faith in our young people so that many of them feel like they can achieve their aspirations here in Nigeria. The formula for me is simple. This is not the first time. Nigeria typically goes through this cycle of brain drain every, I want to almost say every generation because, I mean, the last time was probably like early 80s after Saapan and Babangira at the time. But then we also see that when Nigeria is thriving economically, when the environment is conducive, we also see that a lot of young people love Nigerians because we'd rather be home, really. That's the way I'd like to put it, right? So we saw the whole IJGP movement that was back around 2007, 2008. Even earlier than that, really, where people were coming home when the telcosectors took off when we had paid off our Paris Club debt and all of those things. So the truth of it is that if our leaders and our politicians can get their act right, most Nigerian youth would rather be home in their spaces. So the fact that we've gotten to this point where people no longer trust the leadership, they no longer trust that Nigeria has their best interest at heart is quite distressing. So my final note really is that as he goes into this position as the chief of staff, working very closely with the president that they do focus not just on hardcore governance, but really on building trust, on being transparent, on communicating and not just communicating, but communicating effectively so that people hear the real message and people can start to believe and trust what is being said based on the validity of the actions that follow. If we take what has happened in the first few days of the administration, it doesn't seem like that's the direction that they're going in, but let's hope that they do better. Yeah, thank you, Uti, for that. I was just going to add that in case he doesn't know, I know a lot of people that were waiting for the outcome of the elections and because a lot of the young people felt like these elections, there was a lot of things shrouded that are shrouded the transparency of that election and the credibility of that election. People between the time that the elections happened and when he was sworn in, a lot of people also have left the country just because you know what I think I cannot deal. I kind of waited for my PVC to let's see the outcome, let this be the final trial for some level of hope that for once we'll have leaders that are transparent and all of that, when they didn't see that. So thankfully I like your advice, he's chief of staff now. So whatever it is that you're doing, let us just see transparency with the government. It will help us. And I think this just even ties nicely. If they can pull out my video, Peter Obey was speaking on Phil's subsidy. So that's my story, so we'll just take the video.  There's a difference between removing your tooth by applying anesthesia, which will irritate your pain and just pulling it out. The difference is that I believe it should be removed with conditions and that conditions has to be applied. If I was involved, I would have shown in empirical satisfactory data how much we're going to save, where we're going to apply it, the gains for the people so they can, just like I said, I'll try my campaign, that I'm going to govern the people by being open, showing them empirically verifiable facts on how the country can be better and everybody can follow it. That's what I would have done. A lot of business are on the same page with you. I agree that the subsidy should be removed. But the impact that is having on the masses especially is the reason why a lot of business are in support or supposedly in support of products. You have to give it to this man. And I think the reason I'm taking this story, right? There might be a lot of things that I think this government can learn from him. The reason he has this kind of cultic following from young people, is this statement he's just made? The fact that they know that, come to our very cobble, I've said this thing, it's the same question Uti was asking the Petroleum Guide that came last week Friday. Can we even have an idea? What is the exact cost of the landing cost if we do the math? And you tell me, I'm a business woman. If I buy products, sometimes I do a 40% markup. Sometimes I do a 70% markup. It depends again on the rent. So many things, there are so many factors that adds up to the price of any commodity. What we are asking for from our government is transparency.  You can't just wake up and say, this is it. How did we arrive here? It's like we're not allowed to question things. And that's where we have a problem with the government over the years. Let's start to see government, allow us the liberty to say, okay, you know what? I think, I think, I think, because now we're seeing numbers. So you have to give it to Pitalbi. Call him whatever you want to say.  He understands the language of the young people. He believes that, you know what? I can't, they can hold me accountable because I can be transparent with them. And that's why till tomorrow, everybody just believes like he's the Messiah.  Even though for some of us that we know that truthfully Nigeria does only the Messiah. Nigeria needs more than the Messiah to change the situation because of the rock of the system. Well, please, I'm just trying to ask our government, the leaders in power now, try to take a cue. Try to, I mean, let Nigerians start to see some level of transparency, some level of honesty in your leadership. And you will see that the love and the whatever will just flow to you naturally. You don't need to bribe. You don't need to use money to get anybody's love and support, you know? Who would have thought that somebody that said he did not have the penny to spend in an election would even gather that kind of momentum that he did? So it is that we need honest leaders. We need transparent leaders.  Because as the situation is hard now, you were speaking to the few subsidy. You want to remove my teeth. You still need to put sedative there. You need to calm the team before you remove the teeth. You can't just put my teeth like that. Okay, true.  Well, he's brought my butcher analogy from the last show. My sister. And yes, it was your butcher analysis that he borrowed now. You want to, nobody says the teeth is decayed. We need to take it out. It's a problem for me, because if it stays there, I will die. But you see, before you can remove it, you can't just wake us up. The tooth is decayed. The tooth, you don't put playa. You have to, first of all, sedate the place. Prep the area. I say, okay, now the tooth is ready to be pulled out. I didn't think I would take this long on this matter. On that note, please, I want to discuss flooding in this hour. Nigeria's team does go right back.


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And maybe you ain't so smart as I thought. Barkeep, I'll have a shot of whiskey with that beer. What about it, young fella? You buying him whiskey, too? Anybody drinks with me, drinks what I drink. Bring me the beer, Barkeep. Okay. And fella, I'm gonna show you what happens to people that don't do as I tell them. Watch how I drink your beer. Sticky wet, ain't it, young fella? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Hit me, eh?  Well, Marshal Dillon, did you see that, Marshal? Jake drew first, not the boy. Jake made him fight. He was bullying him right from the start, and then he drew first. I'll be witness to that. I saw it. I came through the door just as it happened. Good thing you saw it, Marshal. Give me your gun. What? That ain't right, Marshal. It was self-defense, pure and simple. I said give me your gun. Marshal, you ain't listening. It's okay, Barkeep. It's okay. Here's my gun, Marshal. My office is across the street. Let's go. It ain't fair I tell you. He killed him. He did? It was self-defense, Justin. Well, then why'd you arrest him? I'd kind of like to know myself. What's your name? Andy. Andy Travis. Where you from? On Westie here. I'm just drifting. How old are you, Andy? Twenty. Where'd you learn to use a gun? What do you mean? Jake had his halfway out of the holster before you even started. He did? Well, say now, you must be pretty fast, Andy. He's real fast, Justin. That's why I brought him over here. What?  I wanted to see what you like. What I'm like? Why? It happened to me once, Andy. And it's happened to you. Anybody that can use a gun the way you can has to make a choice. You can go on using it, or you can quit before you've got blood all you. I don't like killing people, Marshall. I've done it before, I had to, same as today. But I don't like it. How'd you get so good? Practice. All my life I've practiced. I don't know why it was fun at first, but it ain't fun now. It just leads to trouble. That's all I ever got out of it. Trouble. Then why are you still wearing it? I don't know. I wouldn't feel right without it, I guess. How long have you been a dodge, Andy? Just got here today.  And the barkeep is going to tell everybody in town just how fast you were. And the first thing you know, you're going to have a reputation. It won't be very long before somebody tries to cut you down for it.  However long that is. It's too late already, Marshall. No, it isn't. You're not a killer, Andy. I know a killer when I see one. No. No, I'm sure not.  I know. Well, I'm not going to watch it.   Marshall, do you think I could find a job here? Justin. Yes, sir. Moss Grimmick's looking for a man over at the stable. Yes, sir. On your feet, Andy. I'll show you where it is. This is it. L&M filters. It stands out from all the rest. Miracle tip. Much more flavor. L&M's got everything. It's the best. L&M is best. Stands out from all the rest. L&M stands out for flavor. Flavor. Flavor. Flavor. The Miracle Tip draws easy. 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Remember me next time you see me. I mean to take a good look, Marshal. Who are you, Mr. Joe Kite? All right, Kite, say a piece. I did, Marshal. I want you to know me. I want you to know my name. Why?  Why? Because I might have to shoot a man. What are you talking about? I can't tell you now. I'll tell you after I've done it. Are you drunk? Plum, serious, Marshal. There's no need for you to get all fretted up. I'm not going to do anything wrong. Shooting people around here is wrong, Mr. Kite, Joe Kite, Marshal. What are you trying to tell me? Dad, I may have to shoot somebody, but if I do, there won't be nothing wrong about it. Now I want you to know in case you come running up with your finger on the trigger of a shotgun or something.  I doubt if you even own a gun. Oh, I'm going to get one, Marshal. I see you wearing a gun, and I'll take it off you and throw it away. Now, Marshal, that's no way to talk. Get out of here. All right. But you're going to talk different, Marshal. Keep moving. You'll see. You just wait. What are you looking so guilty about? Nothing. A man spends all day out fishing. He deserves a little beer afterwards, don't he? Yes, sir. Where's Moss Grimmick? Well, he went back to Stabletoes, and he could get away for a while. And he's sitting over there, Miss Kitty. Oh. Did you catch any fish? Yes, sir. Yes, we did. We got a whole sack full, Mr. Dillon. All catfish. Good. Good.  I'll be back in a few minutes. Okay, sir. Hello, man. Hello, Kitty. Hello, Andy. Hello, Marshal. Take a chair. Ah, thank you. I hear your boss is loaded with catfish, Andy. He's over at Stable now, trying to give him away to anybody who will have him. Oh, if he and Chester are going to keep on, we ought to fix up a fish muddle one of these days. A fish muddle? Huh? I never heard of that, Miss Kitty. Oh, then you've never been in Kentucky, Andy. I've seen them making them 20 gallon batches down there. It's kind of a fish stew, I guess. But it's awful good. Sad. I'd like to try that. Let's do it, huh? Next week sometime. First day, Marshal and Chester can guarantee the fish. I'll tell them about it. I better get back to Stable now. See you later, Miss Kitty. Okay, Andy. So long, Marshal. So long, Andy. He's an awful nice boy, Max. Yeah, I think he's going to make out fine, Kitty. He already has. It sure bothered him at first, though, not wearing a gun.  You know, he's a natural kitty. Some men can practice all their lives and never be any good. Well, it's sure nice to know one man that wants to live peaceful. Yeah. He's mighty lucky he ran into you. What's that? You better stay in there. Don't worry. Everybody but Chester, stay right where you are. You want me to guard the door, Mr. Dillon? No, follow me. That fellow shot him. I never saw that man before, Mr. Dillon. His name's Joe Kite. Joe Kite? Yeah. Hello, Marshal. You're going to use that gun again? No, no, of course I ain't. That's too bad. I kind of wish you wouldn't. I told you, Marshal, I didn't do nothing wrong. Now, Marshal, no. Marshal, no. Marshal! Andy's still breathing. Carry him over to the docks, Chester. Yes, sir. When Joe Kite comes to, you kick him in the jail, huh? It'll be a pleasure. Doesn't think he has much time. Let me talk to him. Clean murder, that's what it was. Did, uh, Kite say anything? He started to, but I told him to shut his head or I'd buffalo him. I'll have to talk to him.  You had no reason to hit me either. I told you what might happen. Well, unlock it and let me out of here. You'll get out of there when you've got a trial. That's where you're wrong, Marshal. You're going to let me out of here now. Why did you murder him, Kite? I didn't murder him. I told him I was going to take him in and he resisted. Take him in? I was going to march him right in here and turn him over to you, Marshal. You're talking about? His name isn't Andy Travis, Marshal. It's Andy Haycox. So, of course, you didn't know it or you'd have arrested him yourself. I couldn't tell you before this, or I'd have lost the reward. $1,000, Marshal. That's what he's worth. And I get it. You don't believe me? You ever hear the Fisher Gang up around Laramie? Well, Andy Haycox is one of them. And they're all worth $1,000 a piece, dead or alive. I just come down from Wyoming. I got their pictures up all over. I'm sure lucky I recognize them, ain't I? You're lucky, Haycox. You're real lucky. If Andy had been carrying a gun, you'd be dead. If he'd have been carrying a gun? He took it off his first day in dodge and he hasn't worn one since. I don't believe you. Don't you? No, it ain't true. No, he had it under his coat. I stopped him and I told him to come with me and why. And then he started to grab for his gun and I had to shoot him.  I'll ask Andy what he did and he lives long enough to tell me. He'll lie. You're going to take the word of an outlaw against mine? Chester. Yes, sir? 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Well, he thinks he's in fair shape, Matt, but one hemorrhage and he's gone. It can happen anytime. No. You go see him. He's in the back room, Matt. Okay. Hello, Andy. Marshall. I hear you feel pretty good. I still got a bullet in me. Well, Doc will take it out as soon as he can. It wouldn't be there if I hadn't forgot I wasn't carrying a gun. I just naturally went for it and it wasn't there. So he shot me. Yeah. I guess he told you about me, Marshall. He said that you're wanted other than Laramie. Dead or alive. That's what the poster said. You were part of a gang, Andy. Long enough for him to put up a reward for me. But I quit, Marshall. I quit. What do you mean? A fisher in him, fellas. I told him I was through. They tried to stop me, but I said I'd shoot my way out if I had to. So they let me go. You quit the gang? That's what I'm telling you. Well, why did you quit? They killed a fellow one night after they robbed him. I don't like killing people like that, Marshall. I had to quit. You should have told me, Andy. Maybe I could have done something. It's going to make you look bad now, ain't it, Marshall? Being friends and helping me and all. No, it won't, Andy. I wouldn't care if it did. First time in my life anybody ever done anything for me. I'm sorry. It didn't work out, Marshall. Everything's going to be just fine, Andy. Don't you worry about it. No. No, it ain't, Marshall. Doc! Doc, come in here, will you? Well, I'm sorry, Matt. He's dead, Matt. Different tune now, huh? Tell me what happened, Kite. You're clear. I always knew I was. You should have believed me from the start, Marshall. That's all right. I don't hold no grudges. Hey, when do I get my reward money? I telegraphed Laramie a few minutes ago. You did? Good. How long do you think it'll take, Marshall? I wouldn't wait around for it, Kite. What do you mean? Andy's dead. Well, what difference does that make? I put it in the telegram. I told him Andy was dead. And that I killed him. You what? Of course I won't collect the reward. As a U.S. Marshall, I don't get cut in on reward money. Oh, no. You're fooling me, Marshall. You didn't tell him that. I think they'll take my word against yours, Kite. And besides, Chester witnessed it. Didn't you, Chester? Yes, sir. I've seen the whole thing. You can't do this to me. You're stealing my money. That's what you're doing.  Get out of dodge, Kite. Get out of dodge while you can. No, no, no. He ain't done nothing. Open the door. This ain't fair, Marshall. You can't do it.  I'm sorry to hear about Andy. Did you really telegraph all that stuff to Laramie? I did. That's true enough. I feel like I had killed him. Oh, no, sir. And what's worse, Chester, because of me, he couldn't even die fighting. I hope I have better luck when my time comes. And now our star, William Conrad. Thank you, George. You filter tip smokers. When you change to L and M filters, the first thing you'll notice is how mild they are, how easy they draw. 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I'm John from Kickin' Their Bass TV here with another quick video, and this is just an abracer unboxing. They actually sent me a lot of clothing and stuff, and also a few reels I'd like to share with you guys. One of them was really cool. Once I got this in the mail, I actually didn't know I was getting this. Once I got this in the mail, I was super pumped, super excited, but it started off big special thanks to Abracer for sending me this stuff, and also big special thanks to you guys for all the support. If you could, please give the video a thumbs up. Health supports the channel and motivates me to keep making these, so thank you guys so much. So I'm jumping in. I'm just going to start off with the clothing. They sent me, as you can tell, I have one of their Revo hats on right now. One of their Abracer CS shirts, and also they're sending me a flat bill right here. It's just a regular Abracer CS flat bill. Abracer CS standard hat. Also Abracer CS sweatshirt. Pretty sick. I'm definitely going to be wearing that because it's starting to get cold. I have a Revo sweatshirt, or not sweatshirt, Revo T-shirt. That's in gray. Another Abracer CS T-shirt. That's just black. It shows their standard logo on it. Another Revo T-shirt. Another Abracer CS T-shirt. That's in red. And tons of their decals, little stickers, that I'm sure I'll be putting all over their place. And then one of their catalogs, which probably shows all their reels, some of their rods, sweatshirts, shirts, and everything that I can look through. And that's everything in that box. Let's get to the interesting stuff, because I think you guys probably don't care about that. So jumping off, I'm not going to surprise you guys too much with this one. But this is the Abracer CS Revo SX, and I actually have used this one before, and I really like it. I really like it. I've used this one. I've also used the Aura, which the Aura is very inexpensive and a great reel. And the same goes for this one. This one's just very lightweight. It's more higher quality than the Aura. It's a step above it. And I just really like it. It's a really great reel. Definitely good for my drop shot. I spooled this up with some braid. Definitely good for a shaky head and everything. Just a really light reel. I really like it. If you guys aren't looking to spend too much on a spinning reel or too much on a reel in general, definitely look up the Abracer CS SX. And if you want to go a little more cheaper, go with the Revo Aura, which is, or not read the Abracer CS Aura, which is great as well. Nothing wrong with this. This is a great reel. It's just one of their lower profile. But here's the guy that I want to talk about. This is the Revo MGX spinning reel, guys. And it's phenomenal. And I'm sure I'm going to be doing some reviews on both of these. Because I know you guys want me to go in depth with these right now. But I'll definitely make a separate video to actually break down everything and what makes this real phenomenal. And just holding this in my hands, guys. I'm telling you, it's so light. It's ridiculous how light it is. If you guys have held a regular Revo MGX bait caster, this thing's like half the weight. It's ridiculous. It's super light. It's carbon fiber handle. Super thin. I mean, it's just phenomenal. It looks like a boss, too. I mean, it's amazing. I was really excited when I got this because I know this is very new to Abra Garcia. And I've looked up tons of videos over it. And I've really been excited to get one of these. And finally got one of these. I'm not sure what I'm going to be using it for. If I'm going to use it for my drop shot or just for a shaky head. But most of the time, I've been throwing a shaky head on a bait caster. If I'm skipping docks and stuff just on a bait caster. The only time I've been really using a spin reel has been with, you know, drop shotting and stuff. So I'm sure I'm going to use this for my drop shot. Definitely great. And if I use it for a drop shot rig, I'm going to cast out. That would be great as well. Definitely really pumped to use this. But I'll definitely let you guys know how I really like this. Once I get on the water, I'm sure I'm going to love it. But by how it is right now, I'm in love with it. It's super lightweight. Really compact. I mean, it's just a small reel, great reel. And it's going to be perfect for what I'm going to be wanting to use it for. But I'll definitely go take it out on the water, test it out, and give a review on it and what I think about the reel. And I'll definitely break everything down into it. But big special things to have in there. So yeah, I just pretty much wanted to show you guys what I got from them. Got a couple reels. Got a lot of clothing, some decals, a catalog. Just big special things to them. Like I said, I didn't even know this was coming in. They sent it to me. And I'm really thankful for it. And I'm really thankful for all you guys' support. Thank you guys so much. Thank you guys for all of you who like my videos, comment, share my videos. It really means a lot. And staking for more giveaways, guys. I'm actually going to contact them at Abiversee. And I'll see if I can get a giveaway for you guys. And if I get one, I'm sure you guys are going to love that. And we'll get everything rolling. So thank you guys so much for the support. Big special thanks to Abiversee. Please hit that like button, guys. Check out my palm videos that I've been posting. And I'll see you guys in the next video. Thank you.


Okay, hello everyone. Welcome to the Weekly Jenkins Infrastructure Team Meeting. We are the 16th of November 2021. So today we have Marc Hervé and Hi Damien. Let's get started with the announcements. So I see that Marc is updating. So the weekly release to 0.321 has been released. Is that correct? It is. Do you want to share your screen Damien? Oh, sorry. I thought it was already shared. My apologies. Okay, can you see my screen? Yes, we see the split view. If you want to switch to the non-editable view, Will. Yep. And zooming in. Okay. So yes, the weekly release has been successfully terminated and finished. So we have packages and Docker images for the new, for today's weekly. Is that correct? Yes, Docker, Docker, War, Deb, RPM, all verified. Issues updated. So the release checklist is done. Okay. And Windows MSI as well. Didn't yet execute the Windows MSI, but I've got it ready to download. I'll download it to my computer and check it later. Okay. Cool. My question was because since we meddled up with the Kubernetes configuration last week, in particular, the Jenkins installation for release and the Infrasci controllers. We just wanted to double check that there wasn't an issue with the pods allocation agent allocation. And there definitely was not that. I checked the job status and the job health showed that the job completed successfully. Nice. So the mirror, the mirror status, I was a little surprised that mirrors were not yet showing only the only one or two of the mirrors had the latest release, but that, you know, it's unpredictable how long it will take for mirrors to see a new release. So that's correct. Okay. So good, good work. That means the infrastructure is still working as expected. Another announcement we had, we had the last Friday during this long weekend, we had a really quick security release on some plugins. So there has been a security built in published by Daniel. So thanks Daniel. That was done in less than one hour. So that's really cool because it was short notice and everything went correctly. So good job. I think that was the only announcement. Do we have another announcement on your side Mark? Well, so it's a forewarning more than an announcement release candidate for 2.319.1 LTS that will release candidate should be delivered tomorrow. The poll request proposal is out with the backports. And then two weeks later, December 1 will be the release of 2.319. Encourage people to test it. There are some changes in there and some backports that that really do need thorough test before we deliver an LTS. We should add it to the, let me take note, we should add it to the team calendar. Good point, yes. For both for the ERC. So tomorrow 17 and next LTS will be 1st of December. Okay. Thanks Mark. Is that all for announcements? Cool. So first, I saw today that a few days ago Kosuki sent an email, sent us an email about the TLS certificate for the domain repo.junkins.ci.org, which is the domain name used to point to the Artifactory Service hosted by Gfrog, if I'm correct. So thanks Mark for answering to KK. That email thread was on my spam. So that was. So if you both of you, you see such emails, that could be interesting to just ping the other just to be sure, because I don't have them always. So thanks for standing up on that one. KK opened the keys at Gfrog directly through emails, at least one on that one, because it seems like there is another subject that I'm not aware of, but that crossed. So that means for the certificate, I'm not sure we're waiting for Gfrog since this is a managed service. KK asked them if they have a let's encrypt or renewal on their own, because the DNS point to their platform so they should be able to generate certificate autonomously on their own. However, we haven't received an answer. At this time, as I understand we had to generate the certificate and the key by ourselves, and then send them the private certificate to Gfrog through email, I assume, totally secured, so they can install the certificate on their web server. So I don't know what will be the next step. Did I miss something or. Yeah, so the last reply from KK seemed to indicate that what you just described was right and he's working the issue with them. Okay, so if he needs to issue a key to that, if he needs to issue the private key to them, or if in our dreams they've switched and granted or can use let's encrypt. Yeah, I assume that KK has access to the DNS records for the domain because I'm not sure that there is another solution with let's encrypt. Since the DNS is pointing to the IP, if we switch the IP to KK's machine that might break some things. Um, should we ask him if he need help or if we take over on that part. I don't know if he, if he has time for that or not. I was just letting it run but I'm open certainly if you feel that we should ask him I, I didn't see a lot of problems with it yet, but if KK asked for help or says hey this is a problem we certainly don't want the certificate to expire. Yep. So it will be in March if I'm correct. Right. So that should be better to do it before end of year. Okay, I will send in an email to ask him if he's if he has access to DNS or if he won't support or complete takeover. Okay, and he pointed that if we have to generate a new certificate, the old one will be valid only for three days straight before being being expired by let's encrypt. So that means we have to schedule that correctly with GFrog because if GFrog take more than three days to change the certificate we send them. Then that means a lot of trouble for us. Right. Yep. And he mentioned, yeah, so that was described in the email to so better, better to assure we've communicated with everyone on this timeline, then to rush to do something. Absolutely. We have to be sure that GFrog will be ready on their own, otherwise that might start to be hard. Okay, I saw you I did the DNS renewal of Jenkins CI org domain. Yeah, we can do it after the helm charts discussion it's a low priority just wanted to remind and I have need to give myself an action item to put it on the calendar. Okay. Cool. So for the certificate renewal for repo Jenkins CI org is that all. Or is there any question. Okay, so switching to the next subjects Kubernetes Elm chart. So every thanks for the huge work you did on improving the structure of the Elm files that helps to keep our environment clean.  We updated the Elm charts we have, we have tried to apply some conventions over the way we use them charts and values. There are still some work to do but yeah, that was a big change. We were expecting improvement and the ability to install the Elm chart in parallel to have a quick, a quicker process. I think it doesn't work as expected. Sometimes it's even slower when we try to increase concurrency. So we'll have to double check that. However, now the main work is around the date CLI that has to, we are doing a complete audit of the dates CLI manifest on the charts repository to ensure that it keeps, it keeps track of all and charts. We're working on all the Docker images, because we start to have more and more custom made images. Each time there is an automatic release or manual release of these images we want them to be updated on the cluster production as soon as possible. The main goal is, we don't want to slow down the maintainer of these images. Each time they release a new tag with a new version we want it to be automated as soon as possible. If you want to work, it's almost done. That was the past week and that's the reason why we wanted to be extra careful with the weekly release today because we had to remove old unmade Elm charts and rely only as much as possible on upstream Elm charts. So great job, Hervé. Is there any question points, something that I forgot about that area? How about the update now? The next point with the issue. I've opened a prerequest to fix the problem on a key clock Elm chart. Yep, that's the link I've put in the description. Yeah, good point. So please do not upgrade the Docker Elm file until we have the key clock has updated their Elm charts. Their recent Elm charts, at least the latest one which has been published in September, is failing the linked step with the latest version of Elm. So this is outside our area. That's why Hervé opened the issue. So right now, we have to fix the Elm version. It hasn't been done, but we should be able to release and use update CLI to only check the 3.6 branch of Elm. That could be a safer way to avoid merging by all. Yep, that's all. Hello, Oleg. Hi. Happy to start joining from time to time. Do you have the link to the notes? Yes, I do, but I'm on the laptop right now and let's say Github connectivity is not trivial right now. So I will need to register because I have now two Github accounts and many other things I will need to adjust to before it becomes habitable. If you have any notes, share them on the Zoom chat and we'll add them on the document since it's open on our missions. Okay, so next subject, Mark, I'll let you guide us on this one, the NS Renewal of the World GenkiCI.org domain. Yeah, it's one of those where the Tyler Croy has automated processes that renew that domain. The renewal happens, I believe roughly once every two years. Successfully with the automation two years ago. And so I'm expecting it to be successful and I've set myself an alarm to red flag it if we get to the point of less than 30 days to renewal and it has not renewed then we'll escalate it to Tyler. Okay. And do we have any services left on this domain that default to that, because since we moved to Viki, Artifactory also redirects to GenkiCI at the moment if I recall correctly. Yeah, we have, we have at least one repos.genkins-ci.org is still. Artifactory is now, yeah, I thought it's now on GenkiCI. I haven't tried it on Jenkins.io let's see no it's definitely not a repo. Let's see repo.genkins.io. No it's definitely not it's just repo.genkins-ci.org. But even if you, I mean, we need the alias no matter what, right because there are many old links that go to that old location. Yeah, that would be nice. Well, we will still have to keep them in for ages. Yeah, we want to own that domain we really do not want someone else to own that domain. Yes. Mark, could you add a reminder like 20, 30 days before in the team calendar so everyone will be able to have a reminder if you, if you are not there that day. We'll do yes. Thanks. Something else about the renewal. That's it. Next topic. What about the infra costs. So on the AWS ports. So we should be able to be around 10k or maybe a bit below thanks to the effectiveness of using spot agents. And then any complaint yet about spot agents being reclaimed. So either we are lucky or maybe the strategy of targeting six kind six different kinds of machines and letting AWS select one kind for us might also help because it automatically search for one instance on that collection for the reminder. That's the most available available from AWS point of view under the cheaper because that's where they have most capacity for us. So that that's a good objective but it's not finished yet the virtual limit is 8k per month not 10k. Next you join that we could have we have a bunch of the peak or elements that we could migrate out from easy to however if you want to have something with the order of magnitude of the 2k that we are over consuming today. The next candidates in line is pick a G Jenkins IO, which is the because that machine cost us free K of bandwidth per month, which is a lot. So we should think about the destination for that machine. First, that machine will be split into two virtual machines in the future because right now there are two main services there. But we have to check the bandwidth cost on Azure back because Azure will be the easier for us. We can have VMs or Kubernetes charts, which is good. But also, so we have to see what will be the theoretical cost with that bandwidth on Azure to first have an idea of the cost. And if we can afford it reference to the next point. However, there were there were also the idea that we exchanged, but that was purely an idea. So that was I'm taking that idea back to you to now that will be to create a virtual machine on Oracle. Because the bandwidth is theoretically unlimited. The projection we did with Olivier is that the bandwidth should cost 50 bucks per month on the worst case. Which is completely crazy. I don't know how they make money, but yeah. And the second reason is that we can use IRM machine instead of Intel machine, especially because the use case that required that bandwidth is a web server. That's an Apache web server that serve files on a file system. So the costs of the machine and the visibility that it could give to the Oracle cloud because they provide IRM machine. That could be interesting to maintain the relationship with them in terms of partnership and the cost in terms of money for us is really a good way. So that will be the alternative. So I propose that we we compare the cost, the theoretical cost on Oracle and Azure. Unless you have other ideas that we could ask for there. That sounds good to me. And I think you're right. It's the next win. 3 k Euro for bandwidth is is a big chunk of our total spend right now. Thanks to the spot reduction. The next the next target becomes very obvious. So I don't know if there are other questions on that area or things not clear or control proposal. Okay, the so the next cost is Azure. We are stable. It's been three months that we are at around 8k per month. So for reminder, the CDF asked us to have an average of 10k per month because the we have a budget for one year and the one year is 120,000. So that mean 10k per month. So we are now below the limit for the year, which is good. That means we have a margin there if we have to move services out from EC to if we cannot for whatever reason. However, given the effectiveness of the spot instances on EC2, that is also something we could add see to see the impact of using spot instances on Azure as well, at least on the area where we can afford it just to see the impact there. I've put the note about the new provider sponsorships. So I've started to work on terraform parts. The goal is to have a thing the same way to manage infrastructure, but one repository for each provider one for Azure one for AWS one for the next ones. Once that part will have been done and applied to AWS and data that that that is what we have today, then we can start the work for digital ocean and scale away. We won't have more than two VMs on both, but that that's a start. There is also some work we have to machine that are sitting there doing nothing from the OCSL the for the machine that we use for Confluence and Jira. So we can still reuse these machines as well to stop paying that much on clouds. And then there is the area of what we could start in terms of sponsorships in the upcoming months or quarters. I mentioned Kivo cloud last week, which provide managed Kubernetes based on k3s. And they are using Jenkins and they provide Jenkins and their installation marketplace based on the official operator. And I think you had something I've wrote nomad but can you remind me the square square. It's an infrastructure provider. I've met their lead tech during a demo and they're using nomad as their engine. And I think they could be really interested with sponsoring as they're seeking for visibility. And I think it could be good for both of us. I've put the link in the chat. So if I'm not mistaken, there is a Jenkins plugin for nomad. Under the state of it, but that could be eventually a good start with a stateless agent. I don't know. I have zero knowledge around that part, but it's a container orchestrator. So, and if there is a plugin, I assume that if they lend us a few capacity, a bit of capacity, we should be able to start agent dynamically on that part. At least on the paper. What do you think it's a bit right because nomad is not necessarily designed for sales use cases. So there is hyper validity that the plugins. I'm not sure I cooked. What do you mean it's not designed for so if you want to connect to agent and say you're to square when nomad plugin. It's probable that the plugin just doesn't support this mode. Last time I used nomad, which was actually quite long ago. Yeah, we're using it internally. So not a source option where you service externally and then you need somehow to connect agent by SSH but everything was directly accessible through the network. Okay. I wouldn't put bets on that until somebody tries it out. Okay, so that could be a great experiment are very few are up to the task that mean trying I don't know if they provide free credits at least to build or contact them to tell them that we have that use case. I've kept contacts and I can I will take them. Ask about it. I've got you the previous email trade about sponsoring and I have to look at them to to find argument and different point I can give them things they they will be I think they could help us if we have trouble. Because nothing to try. I've added the link to Jenkins plugin for nomad. It's like that plugin is still mentioning the wiki. So worst case that could be the opportunity to update the read me of the plugin. Still worth it. Maybe one quick note about Shiva. We were discussing before. So, a couple of months ago, we had a meeting with a young part of a few other people at Shiva. And we asked how we could actually collaborate together between Jenkins community. One of the follow ups that they updated the default template to official home charts. So this was done outside the meeting also did it to download Jenkins. But we still have an open topic about potential collaboration in terms of hosting some kind of sponsorship. And it is because Shiva is a really interesting, especially since it's probably the only Kubernetes provider where you can provision the cluster in just one minute or so. So it's not terribly painful as for any other vendors. So it could be a good opportunity. And actually last week there was a week of CCD organized the same attack. So I was speaking about Jenkins the presentation presentation. So the context is active and for somebody in the Jenkins section is ready to explore it a bit. I'm happy to use this context. Okay, in the context of the infrastructure Jenkins infrastructure particularly. Even though it's technically impressive for the fast provisioning. We don't really have that needs. It's more the ability to have a static but still a good thing for Jenkins excuses though. Well, maybe some kind of preview environment would be nice. Because currently we don't do preview environments in Jenkins anywhere. So that's that's that's what I meant on the Jenkins infrastructure parts that that's completely legit topic. And I would love to have that on Jenkins. But right now we don't have that need on the scope of the info. But yeah, okay. Thanks for sharing that. That's good to know because that means they are also in position of listening. Maybe that could be. Yeah, I believe I dropped it somewhere in the developer man and please but it was months ago so cool. That means they should remember us. They do. Jenkins is still a part of the user base. There are people running Jenkins and see one. And of course, taking the volume of Jenkins and the emerging things. I'm really interested to explore a greater small. Nice, great service. So they were quite excited about it. So there are definitely some elements. Cool. If it's okay for the infra cost topic. Do you have any other question. Okay. So move on Kubernetes one that went to upgrade will be the next major topic for us. So early, you volunteered to read that one. So once we will have finished the end short, we'll have to read our two communities cluster to one done 20 line. The main being the public gates on a case. With which host our stateful applications and the EKS on Amazon that host the Kubernetes agents for C agent. So that one should be easier. So that will be the next topic. Nothing more to say about that unless you have a question or something clear. Okay. And one last note. So thanks for working taking care of the labels. For the EBMZ, the agents on C agent. I saw the label updates to avoid building GDK eight. Thanks. I totally forgot to walk on that topic. I should have had last week. So thanks for that. And expect the clean up. I started working that locally. That will be on many levels. But we have a security issues about the puppet dependencies and we need recent puppet modules. That's really important. So the first step will be removing all the dead and unused code. So to be sure that then we can iterate. And the next step will be. Either deleting the puppet tests. Forever. If we cannot find a solution. Or upgrading them to something else. Because right now we are not testing what we have in production. So the tests on the lines error that will never happen. And they are, they did not cook. The last three production outage due to puppet we had. So this test are worthless. And worse, we need virtual box to run this test most of the time. So this test had a meaning. On other context when it was managing all the infrastructure, which is only a few machines for us right now. And being able to upgrade would allow us to manage the power PC and IBM Z and IRM machines. So I hope we should be able to advance on these topics. And that's all for me for the notes. Do you have other topics to share to ask to mention. Okay. Yeah, just quick question. Are there any requirements from the Jenkins governance board slash CDF with regards to infrastructure. So we, we do certainly need we're, we're working on the assumption that our budget will continue at the 10 K level for the next year and we haven't, haven't heard anything. So that's a topic for discussion to CDF. Yes, what's the sense you have a leg. I heard in this topic. So one thing I recently discovered that a chair of the technical oversight committee is also expected to be a member of the governance board on this year. We're still waiting for official onboarding. And once I'm officially on board that they have should have meetings in December, where they will be also discussing the budgets for the next year. So this what I know. I also know that Trace has submitted a request to Microsoft regarding Asia sponsorship. If it gets approved, of course, it will be a massive relief for us. Oh, I can see anything about the progress there I have no visibility into what happens there. I should talk to Tracy next week if everything goes as I plan. But yeah, currently, it was basically a pending discussion about infrastructure in general, because CDF would like to consider the infrastructure more including Amazon accounts. Again, no movements in regards to Jenkins account transfer. Yeah, probably need to bug Kara and to see whether it could be somewhere on her power list. But I think that she's busy with landscape and well basically there is no program managers at the CDF so if Tracy is not going to that it means that nobody's been better the moment. So, but I will look into. I will keep bringing up this topics. But yeah, right now, I didn't have any immediate updates. I wouldn't expect that there would be a massive drop because you're currently there is no challenge with regards to CDF members and paying sponsors. Also, you may have seen that there are more organizations joining. So, currently, it's not about, let's say, budget, it's rather about how the budget is distributed. And currently, let's say, Jenkins is the only good to do the project, but it still consumes the vast majority of the CDF infrastructure budget. So, yeah, this is a tricky point about how things work. But yeah, I'm looking forward to be on board so that they can actually understand how the budget will work some of the hood. Thanks for sharing this insight that's really important for us. That brings clarity on the way. Where do we get money from? That's really helping. Thanks. Thanks for sponsoring the Jenkins project. Thanks. I have to say that after the recent news. I will wait for your news. Okay, another topic in the area. Yeah, I have one topic. I actually raised it some time ago at the governance meeting. We are going over time, so if everyone find just a quick question. The Linux Foundation expects that this community as well as other communities, it's the account to all other organizations as owner, basically from the project sustainability point of view. Sorry, could you say that again, Oleg? There is an expectation that a Linux Foundation's GitHub account is added as owner to all organizations of projects for members of the Linux Foundation, including Jenkins. So there was a request something like one month ago from Tracy. There, I said that please provide details. You didn't get any details by now. But I know that, for example, in CNCF, it's a mandatory requirement for the new projects. And it will be the same way for the CDF at the moment. So my question basically to Damian as the incoming Jenkins infrastructure officer, et cetera. What should be on the Jenkins community side should such request arrive. I suspect it will be a major pain for us. They can private repositories, security repositories and determine the number of people who have access to this Linux Foundation's account. So miss the current situation, my understanding that it goes against how Jenkins governance and security practices work. I still need to discuss it with Wadiq. But yeah, I would expect that this is a discussion where we really need to get a governance board with Wadiq, Daniel. It's actually team and to basically build up the consensus how we approach that. So on that area, there are still some area where even being owner of the GitHub does not get you access everywhere though. For instance, most of the secrets are encrypted using GPG key or eventually owner access on the Azure KMS. So we could use that model, that threat model to, if we don't have any other solution that could be interesting to still see work on access which secrets. However, this is only for the infrastructure scope. There are still that question to be asked, as you said to Wadiq, because if you are owner, you can inject code on virtually any plugin or part of Jenkins. So all plugins with continuous delivery. Exactly. All infrastructure components, including components, handling critical credentials, also just access to GitHub organization with personal data, other funny things. I don't say it's not scary. I just say there are mitigation process that could happen for the infra, but you're correct. So that feels like one for me at least where security team and governance board are both crucial, just like you said, we've got to have that discussion with them before we would ever consider adding an additional owner to those organizations. That's terrifying for me. I'm not a security expert, but just the thought of adding somebody that is not a deeply trusted person strikes fear in my heart. Sorry, Linux Foundation is a great organization. I don't want to disparage them, but I would really want to understand why and all sorts of other things. Well, it's actually written in the links for the collection collateral. So the reasoning for that, that if something happens, then Linux Foundation can take over the project. It's especially important, for example, for sandbox projects and for beating projects, where it's quite common that the project is driven by one company. And basically, there is no contingency plan if things go in an unexpected direction. So, yeah, let's imagine James is starting to stop contributing to Jenkins sites. So, it's just an example from the city airspace. And basically, this request makes sense in principle, and this is a requirement for new projects being converted. And I believe that it will be a requirement for the new projects. And I think it's the foundation to be currently working on this and bottom checklist. Jenkins since it's already on board, but the situation is a bit more tricky. And yeah, I guess the same radical now is not going to be a good answer. But discussing what would be the rails, what would be the grace period, what would be actually a systems and additional guarantees from the Linux Foundation, all of it is often decision. To go point treating also Jenkins CI and Jenkins in four organizations separately because the concerns are different on one and the other. That might also help. So in my case, of course, Jenkins search is probably the biggest thing. And you see, for example, we are maintaining the drinks for the runner, I want to have continuous delivery. I don't want the Linux Foundation to have access to release of this. There is admin account, I have literally no opportunity to print it. So, yeah. Well, I guess I will have to live with that. But I can and how many years, maybe, why pissed off by this change if it happens.  Thanks for cheering that I mean that's a topic for security and governance board now. But yeah, that's interesting to show it. You won't get away. The election is not finished yet. There was no other thing. So, unless somebody that is you would have a reason to happen. Okay. We have competition for the commendation officer and for Jenkins governance. So it keeps the mark on his store site. But yeah, otherwise, a lot of positions, there is no competition. Nice. Okay, I think we can stop recording and sharing. We have reached the end of the notes, unless you have other topics.