All right, should we get started today? It's just going to be us folks. I think I mentioned already, you may not have heard of this job, but Betheson, Australia, and arts running around in the Mediterranean some place. I don't know where it is. So it's just us. Well, it's not warmer than here. Anyway, it's just us. I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that Betheson got signed. And yeah, I'm sorry. All right, we got four. That's right. All right, we got the four of them. And the good news is we've got six applicants. And is that right, Ronnie? That's what you said the other day. It was after review. Well, that's still, we still have enough to fill. Yeah, we brought that up. I don't know if we can do that. We need to verify what we used to have that, but we moved the the alternate to an actual warden seat. So I don't know if we're allowed to have that 10 per. So if we do that would be a whole council thing. So I got to take that as a note. I'll call the meeting to order. Roll call. Oh, we don't have a second. So we have two people with excused absences. Is everybody, do you have any extra copies of the agenda? So our printer's down. I'm sorry. Our printer's down right now. Oh, your printer's down. Yeah, I just thought a lot. They have, he has a tech support team coming to take a look at that. Excellent. Get a copy. Oh, it's not, wait, nothing's talking. Oh, no, it's not. The whole machine is down. Well, we can share this if you'd like. Well, I kind of memorized. They're not the notes. No, and I didn't memorize. Of course he did. You have 50 minutes to look at it. I assume everybody's had an opportunity to review the agenda or any of your additions to the agenda. All right, excuse me. I have one I would like to add under new business. I can see the election of the secretary. I don't want to take a couple of minutes, but I think we need to talk about that. All right, that's the only addition. Okay, I'll have a motion to accept the agenda. Second. Blowing. All right, all those in favor say aye. All right, all right. Public, do you have anything you wanted to say this morning? No, I think you passed. No, all right. Board goals. So, did we do the minutes? I'm sorry? Well, the agenda. Where's the agenda? Oh, the minutes. Sorry, this is okay. I always missed you in our minutes. Are there any corrections or additions to the minutes? Some thoughts. So, I'm thinking that when we do this, that under the roll call thing that we also need to have something that says we've excused and then Dave Brown would have been on that last time, right? Yeah. So, like this time it would be Beth and Mark that we need to. And then that way it accounts for the very first. Yes. If they're out here then they are. I didn't know it's done. That's great. And then the other thing, because I'm assuming that you were not on Zoom last time. I was not. Okay. So, there's a couple of places where the minutes lists Dave's name. And I think really it probably should have been R for Jeff. Okay. And one of them is C under outreach update. And the other one is E under items from the board. And then. Is that C and D? C under reports. Actually, actually that was me. Are you talking about this one right here? Yeah. Dave and Beth. That actually was me. You actually did talk. I did talk to Beth. We had a meeting between the two of us and we were talking about it. Oh, okay. So, that actually that's correct. Okay. So, C is right? Yeah. What about the number eight? The other one I had was eight. The very last one. I didn't see the board. I didn't see the board. Yeah. And so, Dave will invite friends, presidents to attend the next election party. And I think that is that. That is, that is I hear. I'm sure. You sure are going to do that too? Okay. Yeah. I'll just play mine. I didn't see the vote. So, okay. Did you contact Linda? I haven't actually talked to them though. Okay. Do you mind if I? Okay. I guess I can talk about that right now as far as corrections. That is accurate. I was going to contact Linda, but I was sick last time and there was another absence I think. Anyway, I wanted to be here when Linda was here. One reason. And then the other reason is I phoned out and Beth Baldwin said she was designing. I thought, why have Linda here with four of us? You know, so I thought, let's wait until after the first year to get everybody on board, the new board members and everything. And then we'll have Linda come help out. So, if that's okay, I'll just invite her in January. That's why I didn't ask her. Any other corrections or additions to the minutes? So, those are suggested corrections and there are no corrections. Yeah, actually it was accurate. Okay. Do you want to sit up and stable? This is actually better for me, but thank you. Okay. All right. All right. Those, I'll have a motion to accept the minutes. I'll do Lonnie and Sakha. I'll stand. Arlene. All those in favor of accepting the minutes say aye. Aye. All right. Every time I missed the minutes for some reason, okay. Pauler's invited to be heard. Old business. All right. This is, okay, then board goals. Does that, does anybody have anything under board goals? Yes. I have a question. We've been going back and forth about what the goals of the board are. And we have housing, we have transportation, and we have outreach. But I look back at minutes for another reason. So we actually also have mental health. Yeah. In any, do we, are we going to pursue that or have we dropped that? Well, I guess that's a good question. About three meetings ago, we talked about, might have been before you started, how long you've been on the board now? Since August. Since August. I guess it was since, anyway, we, I think it was the first time I, the first notes I took. So, it's a mental health. We didn't have a motion, but I thought we accepted the ordinance as our statement of goals. Say that again. The ordinance, creating the, the advisory board would be our statement of course. If they're all looking at me like what? Yeah, okay. So, okay. All right. And just a second. You're saying what's in, in the charter? Yes. Municipal code. Okay. And I handed this out a couple of times, a couple of meetings. And we can, we can do something different, but that was my understanding. Okay. Under the powers and duties, it says, I don't know, a paragraph D. Well, actually, I'll mention the whole thing. The powers of the board shall be advisory to the city council. And the board shall have the following duties to establish recommendations for guidelines and policies to serve the most beneficial productive use of the senior senate. B, to review budget requests for names of senior citizens and programs. C, to otherwise serve as a liaison between the city council and community of senior citizens in matters of public interest as determined by the board and the council. And then, to me, this is the big thing to report annually in writing to the city council concerning the operation of the senior center and relating to matters of current participation at the close of the calendar, the financial aspects of the center, maintenance and condition of the facility, and any other matter being approved to report on upon request of the council or the initiative of the board. And so that's what I handed out, really, about two or three times. And that's what I thought we could use as the statement of goals. But that's not okay, fine. I just have a question about, I think it's B, the thing about the fund in. Review of budget requests. What exactly is happening at Bail, because I don't know how much info we really have on the questions. Well, this year, the board invited the city manager to come and talk. And we actually had a meeting over at the Lashley's transportation. And he kind of summarized what he thought my words was the state of the city and the opportunity that you all might have to get things in the budget. And they ultimately jumped in here, Ronnie. The senior council was getting the new recreation coordinator as well as funding for some temporary to be able to expand out. Did I miss anything? No, okay. So you all did have that impact. Unfortunately, it was before R&D and Monty that the two of you were on the board that happened. And he was at the April or the summer, April or May. So I think the input that you all have is through conversations that we have all your long giving Ronnie and I feedback on the priorities are. And then we carry those things forward in the budget requests. So then it isn't because I was concerned that it's not us actually going line through line. It's just giving it, okay. But I agree with everything that Jeff said, but I have a little bit different twist. See, I say it as part of our responsibility to take a group on the budget. We don't need to do it line by line. We don't know all of the factors that go into that. But if we're thinking of a program, if we're thinking you need certain staff, I think that we should make recommendations in our best judgment as far as what the budget should be. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, I did have probably, we were two most recent additions to the board. We talked about the budget timeline. So there's a period of time in February and March when ultimately I think it's you, Ronnie, that puts requests, budget requests into the tool. And the time for board oversight is there before he even starts that process. What are you thinking about, Ronnie, or based on the findings of the board through the year, plot budget items could go there. So for example, we could have really talked about keeping the facility open later for different hours when we were down so many positions. But maybe next year, if it's a good year, we can talk about evening staff. We can talk about evening hours for recreation. Which would be a really good thing for getting the 55 to 65 still working and seniors involved with the center so that you would have spring going forward. That's just off the top of my head, an example. But those are budgetary items that the board could recommend. But it's something to be planned for early spring. Is that an answer to your question, Ronnie, is it sufficient? You know what, I actually jumped the gun now that I'm looking at all this because the next thing says updates. And these are the three things, housing, transportation and outreach. And what I'm saying is that there was a fork that it was mental health. And we never got anybody to accept that. Is everybody remember that? Yeah, I do. We talked about mental health. As a matter of fact, I thought about it. And then as people chose what they wanted, I take housing, you take transportation. Nobody ever did mental health. Are we going to continue with that and maybe get somebody on that? Or are we going to put that aside for now? Well, I think the consensus was we didn't have a motion on it. But I think the consensus was we've only got a small board. And we can't blow the people up too much. Mental health would be a big one. You know, I think it's just as important as the others. But it's extra work, you know. So maybe we should have people. I agree with you. The kind of size people would. And even going on into next year, it's kind of like a difficulty. Okay, great. Get people more things to do. All right, yeah. Partly did you have one? No, I agree. I remember that we just sat on those three because of the size of the board. As we add to it, though, those people that are need some time to feed on the ground. I think we got our hands full. Okay. Sheila and I have been attending meetings with various groups. And I kept saying to her, I think there was a board. I swear I think there was a board. And we'll just defend where that came from. But I'm not advocating that we add it right now. And I totally understand that we need to get our board, you know, our new people out there who didn't know you were starting out before we introduced that. Yeah, I think that'll help. It's critical, but not right now. Okay, good. That's fine with me.  The three of us had a conversation about maybe using the lashing station. And Art and Beth have been talking about an approach. And I agree with that. So I'd like to lay that out. So I could talk it under board goals or I could talk for old business, I should say. Or I could talk about it under outreach. I could lay it out now because it might impact what you guys think. I'll ask a question. Maybe Jeff can answer this, or probably Marsha. Open meetings have to be open to the public if there are more than a certain number of board members discussing board business. And I don't know what that number is. It's two. If it's only three, you don't have to post it, but you have to hold it in a public place for people to walk in and enjoy the conversation. So that's what the rule is. So if you want to have a board committee, three of you could meet as these. If you're going to do it regularly, you should probably ask that he post it. He is only three. And should he post it if it isn't the three? Well, again, for a one-off, I think probably that's it's not necessary if it's a recurring meeting of three, then I think you should. But that's just to be it. The law doesn't say that. Justin, where would he be posted? Oh, you go to the city manager's office and she puts it in there. Ronnie would do that for you. Oh, I don't know. He goes on the city website. But our agenda is not at the Civic Center. I'm sorry? Our agenda is not posted at the Civic Center, along with everybody else's agenda. That's surprising because they have been responding to emails saying that it was. So maybe you got missed this month, but normally we'll make sure that that happens. But just just for the primary posting location is on the city's website under agenda management. That is, that is all all boards and councils location. The official place to post the agenda is in practice. So I have a question. Well, you're talking about Lashley. Are you talking about his meetings at Lashley? No, let me get into that. Is there any more on this? Okay, let me get into this. This is something that Beth and I have talked about. Hart and I have talked about. Hart and Beth have talked about. Not the three of us at any given time. We were thinking that some of this is not new. But the Lashley Street Station is available. We could use the Lashley Street Station. Everybody know where that is? Where it is? Okay, I didn't. So everybody knows what that is. That is available through this in Thursdays from 8 to 3 o'clock. Is that right? Okay, so we don't necessarily have access to that. But there would be that would be times that we would be able to use it. We were thinking why couldn't we use it as kind of an outreach station. And we thought we could start before the Hispanic community focusing on the Hispanic community. It doesn't have to be just about focusing on the Hispanic community. That is an area of town that I understand where the Hispanics are concentrated more than other areas of town. So it's a logical site. I went over there yesterday and I just looked in the windows because it was all locked up. And I got two big conferences. I don't really have office rooms back on the side. It was just common sources. One room that was split into two and one. Okay, it looks like they've got a kitchen. They're kitchen nights. So it would be just a couple of big conferences. Anyway, that's a start. We did talk about this last time. You did. That's why I'm kind of picking up from where Art left off. Art said, why don't we have a part on focus group? Or he didn't say, I don't think you said focus group. He said, but why don't we get some people from the Hispanic community? It's better to get them together and talk face to face than it is to talk to an individual. I think he said something about that. I thought it was a great idea. And so I talked to Art before he took off with another friend. I think he agrees with this. And I think Beth agrees with this. She was big on using the station. And so what we could do is Art, and there was a leader strap member, is what's your name again, Pina?  Not Dr. Staff.  Yeah, she was a volunteer. She worked with us, I understand, with the Hispanic community. And the idea would be to get representatives from the Hispanic community, not through the center, but through Pina's connections, Art's connections, and other people within the community. And maybe have a meeting over at the Lasher Street. But the idea would be to, what is it that the Hispanic community wants in the way of services and or programs? I think to me, services are more important than programs. But anyway, just leave it open. What do they want? And then, I don't know how long that will take, but once we do that, then we could bring that back and make some suggestions to this group. As far as how we might approach that in terms of services, programs, staffing, implementation, all of those kinds of things. And what I'm saying is we could put together kind of a pilot project for that purpose. And then that would be our recommendation next March to the city council. And we'd probably be good to talk to Harold about it before, you know, so he's on board, and then after that, we'd make a recommendation to the city council and that would be our work. As far as that particular part, I think we could do the same kind of thing with housing transportation and anything else. Anyway, that's one approach. What do you think? Yes? I have to say I find it. Not offensive.  It's directed at the public at large, but what do they want? As if people who are Spanish speaking or described as Hispanic by themselves or the city are just one big group that they're all saying. Well, I didn't mean to. No, I know you didn't. And I think what you're saying is generally a good idea. But I think we have to be, I think we have to be a little more receptive with the idea that let's say the Hispanic or Spanish speaking community has many different goals and backgrounds as we, the Angolans, but white people do. I think that's something that we should keep in the back of our minds one way or the other. I think it's a good idea what you want, but what do you suggest? It's just something that. Oh, I didn't say what is your kind of one. I'm sorry. Okay, so I go along with what she's saying. I guess my my thing is we talk so much about inclusion that I don't see this really as an inclusion and I'm trying to try to in my mind figure out how how we can pull the fence to begin with us. This almost sounds like it's kind of a separate thing. How do we, how do we, and yes, they're different. Sort of what we're doing with the Arapahodra, you know, we're trying to get in with them as far as the elders go. And I'm thinking that's, I think that's kind of where we go. Is that we all the, we need to learn from them and then they, you know, they can maybe learn something from us. I know I was really influenced by Carmen. Anyway, she, she said we need to be incremental. We don't have the trust or respect and all that help for them to come in. And so we need to do something, a little piece of time to gain their trust, to do something that's accessible and build it that way, to build it rather than say, what are these people want?  You were told this is what you want and you're going to do it that way. Yeah. So I just wanted to hear everybody's thoughts on that piece. But we already have this sort of emotion with our new position that has been funded for January, starting January, allows current staff and modalities to focus on building our Spanish programs. So we're going to be very intentional with that. We can go in slow, like Carmen's saying, right? So we already have a plan in place to not only grow Spanish programs, be intentional with that. So with that, having these focus words that you're talking about, we made a survey of our current Latino customers, right, have them bring them to the table of who wants gross Spanish programs. What would you like to see? What would you like to see more of? What do we not offer that we can have? And having those same conversations outside of customers, or in the Latino community outside of those who currently come into our facility, right? That allows that allows her to build the trust that you're talking, that that Carmen was talking about. But again, these recommendations from our board are fantastic, right? But we need a staff member inside doing that work, building those relationships, building that trust, having those conversations. So we can slowly grow our Spanish programs. When I say intentional, we easily turn around and say, okay, we're going to offer 10 more Spanish programs, absolutely, right? We don't know what number one, that's what their needs are. So we need her to be part of those conversations, having those meetings. So that is part of our growth plan as we're moving into 2024. I'll say again, it's been intentional in growing our Spanish programs through those conversations and relationship building. With that, lastly, you know, it's that when we do have availability there, we, in 2024, starting in December, actually, are moving that to our on-site location for trips. So when we have all of our day trips, it's going to take a visit, actually. So that'll be the check-in point for check-in and drop check-in vehicle. I think this transportation is our transportation pickup and drop-off. So we're shifting that outside of this facility to that location. So that does identify a lot of days that I believe not just our Tuesdays and Thursdays that will actually may not be available because we're having multiple trips going on those days. But is there still availability? Yes, right. I do want us to be careful with having these types of conversations, those focus groups, off-site, off-site of our facility because then it creates that perception of separation, separation. And that's not my perception. That is feedback I received from some of our participants who are in some of our groups. We have a beautiful location over there with a hardwood floor and mirrors. I thought it would be good for one more dancer to say, you got the space available, would you like to use it? And it was a sense of why are you trying to relocate us? Do you not want us here in the facility? We've always been here. And I was like, oh, I just thought it would be a great place to better meet your needs for a pretty dance practice, right? So I just wanted to be mindful of that because, again, relationship. It feels that distinctive we're trying to move something off-site, off-site of this facility. So keep in mind it is a good idea to have these conversations here in our building because there's that sense of inclusion, right? We're in the facility. We're doing this work. We have these conversations. I just wanted to share that again. I wanted to hear what everyone had to say, but also know, again, that we are, this isn't worse. This is our plan to really identify it. I know you have a new program for starting January 1st. January 1st. They have a tent at the end of January 1st. We are getting this position for today as a people. So try to get that done. They're also a program coordinator. So not focusing on the outreach. So Val, we mentioned her and staff. She's going to be shifting a lot. Once this person gets acclimated within it, again, you want to be intentional. You want them to be comfortable. Our whole goal has been focusing on that manageability of the workload, right? So we don't want new person to start January 1 and dump everything on them. We want them to learn. Our systems, learn our structures, learn our contacts, learn how we operate, learn our customers and our programs. That takes time. We want them to learn those things and then slowly shift those responsibilities over. And then that allows Val, Valerie, to, and have a sense of shift it over, focus on our, should be focusing on our volunteers and Spanish programs specifically for the small piece of things that she used to have, right? So we've been shifting all of those so she could be intentional in these spaces. With that, again, getting her that time and energy to host these meetings, to host these roundtable discussions, collect feedback, bring it back to the table. These are some contacts I found within our community, outside of our community, that are Spanish people that cannot produce things. But it gives her the time to, and that's a lot of phone calls alone in one day, to be able to make those connections outside of our community, finding these instructors, finding these contractors, finding these presenters, who can meet those specific needs that are specifically Spanish speaking, right? That we're not bringing, somebody who's English speaking, and bringing them translated with them. And again, being intentional. So that's going to take time to build that inventory. And so we're slowly going to keep increasing it as we go, but again, allowing her the time to have these conversations with our patrons, with these contractors, create this plan, move forward, put these start programs, these new programs, advertising these programs, right? It's a lot. So we just don't want to just say, here's 10 new programs, right? That's not satisfying that we really want to be intentional. So that is on our plans. So we've already had those discussions. We have an idea of what it's going to look like. We've created, identified preliminary timelines of this work, identified some goals in this work. And so it can fluctuate and we change. Absolutely. We're going to evaluate as we go, because it's the same thing for about, she's doing something that we've never done here, which is growing Spanish programs. Our whole focus, since I've been here, is finding that manageable worker. So we don't want to dump a lot on her because she's growing a program within a program, right? And allow her the space to be intentional with that. And feel like she hasn't managed more of her as well. So she has to continue on with her role now, until the new person started, right? And not only just hired, but acclimated to where we can start shifting those things over, right? So that may be two, three months into the end of the year, right? And training, right? And it will allow us to evaluate new person. How do you feel? Are you ready? Are you, you know, for the moving trainers, right? Can you feel comfortable? Because again, we don't want to, if we just say we have 30 days to learn all these things and then we're going to dump everything on you. We're creating that same sense of non-manifold workloads, no support, feel like I'm doing too much with the little tools and skills that I have in this new role, and I can create the turnover again, right? So we're trying to be supportive of those spaces while we grow. So any questions? Hi. So I want to make sure that I'm not understanding this incorrectly. Are we also going to use some of the regular programming over there at Lashley so that it doesn't look like we're specifically saying this is going to be the Hispanic population? So okay, you come up within programs. Would you have some of them over there and bring some here and then take greater? So that it looks like we're doing some programs. Yeah. Is that what we're doing? Or are we just doing Hispanic there? It's been a new program. Yes. That sense of balance for location for right now. We're doing as we shifted our trip destination, or that's a trip site for, and that's already a lot. We had meaning we had to sometimes to read to the two things going on each day, but at least something, almost something every day going out of there. So I think he's done a really good job working with recreation. So you don't have two days, right? Working on recreation and showing you the family to say, hey, this is what we want to do. We want to add that to our site for trip departure drop off, for this tips into some of your days and times. Are you using this space or these days of time? So can we utilize this space? And so she's made those connections on both sides, showing you the family and their patients who they said, oh yeah, we're not using them. Go ahead and put it in the calendar and go ahead and use that space for this time. So that has been 100% shift. Ships to that location. Marshall? Yeah, that was a question that I had was, I know that children, even families, is trying to expand their offerings at that location as well. So are there going to be conflicts? But it's certainly the pickup and drop off that makes huge sense because that parking lot is really underutilized. And this one is always crowded. So yeah. And that's the reason I'm saying that. There's a big trip, they're leaving at 8 a.m. They're leaving at 7 a.m. And we have a charter bus of 50 people in our parking lot jammed all the way up to recreation the entire day. And somebody who's coming in for a drop in class or down to half has to park a mile away. And the impact to the building actually is limited because people are going in and using the restroom. Right. And the person with the clipboard standing around, that's it. Yeah. So they've been a CYF representative and then an operation coordinator and working together for, I'll say, AASM, a good job coordinating those conversations to make sure that when we are utilizing their space of time that we have the approval number one, or whatever, if anything. So once you have all those approvals in place, then we're able to put that in the bill, which we'll talk about here shortly, on my manager's report, that we're going to advertise on those trips for now 100% over there. And so now as we plan for our next cycle, right, same conversations we have now, right, these are the dates that we're planning and users are supposed to do these tests. And if there's a day or two where we have to figure something out and they say, no, no, we have something and we can, we have plenty of time to say, okay, this day that we're planning this trip, we can go to a different date, or we can move to another time kind of a thing. So we'll be able to work around it and still. Or the small enough group is that when you park your car and you go straight to the vehicle for checking, they're still working on this. So there's still ways around it, they have the space that you ask. But back to your question for programming specifically, when you get there, yeah, we'll just, if it's an extension of our facility, we're not going to just plan one specific thing, program over there, it'll be, we'll do it right. Because we want to say, we don't want that vision. And I didn't even think about it that way. It was just a suggestion I made.  Why do you not want us here? We've been working on it for a very long time. For me, it's like, well, I thought you wanted the mirrors. The mirrors, great, right? And so, and it's a hard record, we want to say, right. And, but, you know, that that was the perception of the feeling. So I had to, I had to respect that perception and not do that. And just put that in a pocket program and it's moving forward. And I've been lying for those things. And maybe once they see it, you know, right, it becomes a regular part of programs for everybody. And they can say, you know, it really does work, right? You like that mirrors in the hood with the lords. And that's how we started with trips. A lot of people go on those trips. And even if it's out in the building for 15 minutes, I've got to take a little tour around, become familiar, become comfortable realizing that space. And if there's a program that's open, that's okay. Well, no, I've been in there a few days. This is, I know what to expect. And we're using our brothers' things, so it is okay that my group is now meeting over there, right? What do you think? Yeah, I love it. I like it a lot. As we started getting, like, we've had meetings over here. Really, in the recreation program, we've had meetings to identify what we were just talking about. But as we started getting closer to, maybe as higher, and solidifying some of these timelines, goals within those timelines, I'll be reporting back to the advisory board about that process of, hey, this is where our goals are. And again, you know, we exceed our goal, and we get it in our goal that we wanted. But it allows us to evaluate and shift at the same time. We're going to be very mindful. Nothing's going to be concrete. Those deadlines are, that's a little bit like them, right? We need it to happen intentionally and naturally and not operate on the timelines. Really, right? Yeah.  And then they say, well, that's what we're doing. A general conversation process. No, that's what we're moving, actually. I'm sure people will think, well, why us? They'll get used to it. I mean, because this play, this lovely building we've been talking about, expanding it, we are expanding it to naturally. That makes sense. It's a much cheaper, a more efficient way of expanding the usage here. And I wonder how table discussions take place, of course, with Roger, who's aware of that and we've added to the part of his conversations. But again, as we start to name and make some detail of this work, they'll be presented in these weeks. And it's at the 4.5 or anything. I mean, I asked a question, I think it's more of an observation. When Carmen was here a few months ago, she really impressed me with her point of view and her understanding of the community. And like I said, the one word that impressed me was incrementalism. Trying to do things in a better time, don't try to just do everything that once has not made all kinds of sense to me. And Art, I wasn't at the meeting that I did look at the video. And Art seemed to be saying, and we've had conversations too. It was the heart of the problem we don't have the representation of Hispanics here is because of the past history. And it's not that there's been outright discrimination or anything like that. That's not the issue at all. It's just that they don't feel comfortable. They, the Hispanic community, doesn't feel comfortable. Because, like, yes, there aren't enough people of similar culture around. I don't know how to say it exactly, but that's been basically the problem. And just saying, oh, we're going to have a program for Hispanics over here, it doesn't work. I mean, so that's why I think Art was saying, we need to deal directly with some of the leaders, some of the contacts in the community. And I think that's what the idea of getting the group together came from. Yep. And so on. And I'm absolutely equal in these conversations with a big picture. And it is true. Representation doesn't matter. It's hard. And I mean, that's the speed that that received. It's not, if I'm going to a Spanish program, top five English speaker, having to translate or communicate with me, that's hard for me to get excited for a program that I want to be a part of, when that's how I'm learning. Right. And I'll leave it at that. That representation doesn't matter. Then again, it goes back to the relationship, these two as well. If I know who this presenter is, or I've been a part of some of their other presentations or programs, I'm more likely to continue going to additional things of a program than new opportunities because I know who that is and I know what to expect. And that trust that goes back to the relationship, because that trust is that relationship is that it's established. So that's the feedback I got. That's what I wanted to be intentional, right, finding these presenters and programmers. I'm sorry, contractors who are Spanish, speaking, don't need to translate it or put it that way. Marshall? Yeah, I think there is still a, I'm sure it's not an intent, but the sound of segregationism even in terms of saying, we're going to have a program for Hispanics, that's really not the way we should be thinking about it. We should talk about leadership and because the presumption should be, well, all our programs are for anyone and there should be no presumption that some programs are only of interest to one community. Instead, we can think about programs being led if they are something that emerges from a particular culture. We recruit the leadership from the volunteer portion of the leadership from that community and then invite everyone. That's a much more inclusionary way of doing it and there's nothing separatist about recruiting a leadership, a leader from a specific community. That's inclusion. So I think that just kind of gives us a different metaphor for talking about it, as well as I think it would work better. I'd be more interested. Yeah, but I mean, if you want inclusion, you want things to be of interest to multiple groups. Yes, and... Yeah, I agree 100% because otherwise we're going back to the days of separate with equal and integration is what we have struggled for in this country. It's been a tough road, but the separate with equal in terms of there are here and we're here. We're doing the same, we're all doing the same thing. There's that impression of exclusion instead of inclusion. So Spanish programs is a type of Spanish program specifically. It's not creating that division, it's creating an opportunity because I'm going to use a generic example, but we're having somebody talking about diet and health. Culturally, those are two different conversations. An English presenter, they're the message on diet. Of course, eating healthy is the wrong message, but let's say they're talking about culturally that's different conversation. So same message, but culturally responsive to what their needs are specifically. So there's no division. You phrase that, there's so many. So many Spanish speakers that come in here that they don't speak English at all. Then you have the same opportunities to learn from strong presenter around diet and health and have exercise classes. And all of these educational opportunities that you're currently operating here. So that's the whole purpose of an intentional growing Spanish program specifically is to meet those needs and grab the same opportunities. Okay, let me, I'm probably a slow learner so bear with me. So you're saying, I get the idea of subjectives, not doing them separately and maybe that's not a good idea. And so you're saying the focus of the future effort should be working with the leadership of the community, key people within the community in regards to what they're trying to do. Yes, right. And again, it's all purpose and focus groups and finding these people with benefits that will talk to you about what your leadership roles within the community and come in and provide us with a special opportunity to provide us with this class. All right, everybody in the chat agrees with that. I think they say nodding heads here. And so those are those examples, right? We're talking about day trips and things like that and that is an option for everybody. We don't need it depending on the trip. I don't know if you're actually naming it right. We don't need a translator for that. And we wouldn't define what program people would go to. They would choose the program that works best for them. Not, this is yours and this is yours. That would never be, and I think that's kind of Marshall what you were trying to say. It is, you know, another example that sort of, I think Ronnie mentioned that this idea of culinary programs you don't have to necessarily identify community leaders. You can also create them. So in this community, we have a number of small ethnic grocery stores, not just Spanish. We have South Asian grocery stores that I can at least think of. And that can, you know, a program that works that way could be incredibly incommissionary because you create the leader by inviting the store proprietor or, you know, who tend to be on family business, inviting someone from the family to come talk about products and how you tell what's fresh and, you know, where you get the fresh food and whether it's local and all kinds of stuff like that. You can turn it into a language, a two-way language lesson because you can talk about the terminology and the recipes in their whole language and then translate them for the non-native speakers or for the native English speakers, you know. So it's of, I think, equal interest to everybody there as opposed to being something that's just really anglo-centric which too many programs are right now. That's what I'm trying to get away from. Yeah. Well, in fact, I want to do that. Yeah, you know, if we think about it. So, what next? Do we, what's your pleasure? Should we just monitor, you know, what they're, what Ronnie just laid out for us? What about the idea of focus groups? Should we just let that go and let them handle it? Good morning. I think that to avoid duplication of effort, we should monitor what Ronnie said is already in the plan for 2024 and just he seems to have what your suggestion was already in place and already moving forward with it. So I think the best thing we can do is just keep that as being a report that we get anytime, you know, you come up with something new, you can just say, hey, as far as this, you know, subject here's where we're at, but I don't think anything else is necessary. It sounds like it's already in the way. Sheila? I would think that to invite Carmen again, to speak to us. Carmen? Yes. Okay. Specifically to this issue, I think it's invaluable. Oh, she was great. I know, I think you should get for Ronnie now because she doesn't worry about what we're doing here. I'm sorry? Veronica, our staff member, she's been doing the programming here, so I think her insight would be very valuable. Yeah, and Veronica as well would be that part of this work as well. So as Robin mentioned, she has this connection. She has that relationship. She has that information, right? Now she's been working with Valerie, Ronnie came down here to work with Valerie to his historical knowledge. I know you're working on messing with Ronnie with it. I'm going to work with you just to support you with the information and helping me with those connections and contacts to help it grow. So we do have that resource there, then, for that historical knowledge to insight into our building. May I ask you something? Do you see saying in the beginning couple of months of 2024 would be a good time to have Veronica come in and talk to us about this so that we'd give you guys time to kind of start the ball rolling? If that's what we're looking towards, when do you think would be a good time to be able to get a substantial, not a substantial, but a good solid report on how things are moving? I think very slowly we'd be at point, and it would be Valerie because Veronica would be on the for the value to get her to know what she needs to grow program. So I'd say very worried because that allows me, first of all, to build us to gauge an actual timeline. Like we could draw it up, but we need them to, again, we want to go slowly and fast. Right now, exactly. We come out, we again have that sense of support, not going to go round, learning how to rate that is manageable before they take over her programs. I think February gave us a good idea of, okay, well, new person's been in, they've been here for 30 days, they've been here for a month. We are anticipating in the end of February or early March to hand everything over, to allow Valerie to be intentional in growing these band programs, and this is what we're envisioning. This is what we have in place, focus groups we've identified. Information we've already received, conversations with what we have, and be able to gain an accurate projection of timelines from there. And let me ask you, do you think March would be even better? March would be, we have probably had that happen. There's no need to rush this, right? There's no need for us to want to record. Every word we have to check in point, why should we be like, okay, this is where we're at and this is where we're at. And along those lines, I'm thinking, I don't know that we need to have a report every month. I'm thinking quarterly because then that gives you time to say, here's what we've done over the last three months, you know, rather than a slide. So, have you learned March would be better? Well, I like to brag about my team. So, when we have these new things come up, I have no problem with that. Hey, just remember, this isn't a production major. Hey, this is where we're projecting things that we can't go really here. We evaluate it and we can't walk full back. We just don't want to go in there now. Okay, so our role then, I guess we'll just decide that our role is going to be that of just monitoring what they're doing with quarterly reports. We basically agree with this approach. The objective is to penetrate the Hispanic community in terms of wherever their needs are. I don't pretend to know. But that's the objective, right? We're all on board on that. Is that a piece of support, Marshall? Yeah, a couple of things. First of all, in terms of quarterly is fine. Let's make sure that we don't get our goals out of sync by making sure, by talking about reports of this kind coordinated in the spring with the budget cycle so that the advisory function is possible. Because if we get a report right after Ronnie gets done with the budget, we don't have any way to add ideas into the budget or discuss trade-offs or anything like that. And that's what an advisory report is supposed to be. I'm a little concerned about that too. Did I cut you off? Well, I had a second just to comment on language which is penetrate the community is not what we're trying to do. I know what was our objective. What time is Becky's schedule to speak, I assume? But that was my other support. But I do think we need to be mindful of all of our timelines. Just to clarify, if we said March, would that be too late to do anything? No, could we move that to February? We could do February. Okay. And that's fine. And I'm probably going to give you another day before that. I'd like to brag about that. I'm sure you could do it with the managers. You know, we'll just put it in there and quick update and see how it's going. And March would not be too late. Really, the budget requests have to be in during May. So it will allow you March April May. They're about to have those conversations. If that's the case, then I would think, I would just like to say that we go back to March. And I'll probably still be in February or anything. Great for you. But we can focus on March as well. Let's do February because, you know, maybe it's thought a big deal. To me, it's a big deal. We're supposed to put something right into the city council. And I know a lot of times, I just don't belong to the Fincher family. But I'm trying to make it something worthwhile, you know, something that they'll look at and listen to. You'd know better or not. But anyway, that's why I keep saying it needs to be specific and reasonable and practical and that sort of thing. I think that's part of what you're saying, is we need to get our stuff. We need to get our recommendation in motion before March. And that's the vehicle that we have. Other than maybe, maybe Harold would come to another meeting, like in print. Or he's in the same budget. I have a question. Can we do a March meeting? I mean, couldn't we do a March report and still be able to make recommendations to the budget? Yes. Yeah. That's what you said. And then, okay. I still think we should go back to having a March. Update because it would be more information and more quantitative as far as what you could report. And we still have time to make any recommendations. To answer Dave's question, my recommendation from Karen, the trenches, is a report to counsel should be a presentation because otherwise people will know us. You know, if something is just 15 pages in the packet, it might be skimmed. So, yeah. It doesn't need to be gone, but it should be there. What I had seen in the past is that so what the library board or the museum board or something like that actually come to the council and give the report, is that more effective? It's the only thing that's effective. Okay. Okay. So who should do that? Should it be someone like Jeff, Ronnie, me, somebody else? Who should do that? I think that we should work with Ronnie and Jeff to make sure that the content is directed properly and is within our scope and isn't contrary to the managerial plans. But I think a new face is effective. And so we should have a board member do at least part of it. And again, I agree because what I have seen is that a council member will ask a question if you're doing a presentation, which can't always be answered by a board member. Yeah. So it needs to be Ronnie or somebody else. We'll call in and help you. Well, some of us definitely don't need to decide to do that. But I guess we agree on our general direction. Sure. But I would just say, you know, a board member stands up and this happens over and over and over again. What happens is somebody gets up and talks. The council starts asking questions and the staff converges on podium. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, yeah.  Yeah. I see that. Yeah. Maybe it's scary. I do want to share our team. We're very excited that we are in a position to not only boost that, but we could be intentional and grown to manage programs as a whole. And so the excitement's there. The energy's there. And I'm sure we'll find that space to be intentional as we're both around discussion. So how many Spanish programs do you have now? And how well are they? I don't know. Oof. So we have, I've got to look, and I don't want to give you my numbers. This is a report I sent to the board, I think in May. And I think it was nine programs to nine programs and 24 droplets. Okay. And so that was in comparison to, was it 2007, where we went through the program by five, Spanish programs were five and droplets, then we'll do 24. And then we can look at our standard programs, right? We're up in the 80s, 80s, 100s, and the same span of time. So again, there's definitely inequity in our program. And that's what we want to be intentional in growing it. Okay. Everybody okay? We're all growing? Anybody want to make a motion? I don't, we don't need a motion, necessarily. We need a motion for anything. Okay. So February? February. Oh, we said March, but I'm still, I don't really care. I'm still probably sure it's going to be March. March will be the both, the Identified Focus Comfort. We'll come, I was saying we're going to be more creative for more realistic timelines, right? Sure. Right, okay. We'll come for you. Right. Oh, we'll have, we'll have to have a report on a future date. Probably March, probably March. All right. I was saying. Do you compare? Do you want me to tell them? Yes. I'm sorry. Jeff. So I know Becky said that she was here for as long, but. Okay. Do you want to make a comment? Could we, yeah. I don't want to disrupt you. Where is it? Which I don't know. Yeah. I don't use that. How easy and quick is it to turn that on? How do you talk about numbers? I have to try to get it hard and bring in more. So, okay. Did ever, does everybody have the powerpoint that you could refer to right now? Is this the survey? Yeah. Oh, okay. No. Yes. So, they at least can see it. Yes. You have it to refer to that you just kind of talked through. There's all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. All kinds of stuff, yeah. There's all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Hello. I'm Becky Doyle. I'm the executive director of strategic integration. This is Leahyarmy, who's our data analytics manager. And at the time we helped to support this. We were the sum total of the data team. Since then, we too have had some data analysts. So, we may be able to do some more analysis and kind of interrogation of some of the results that we received. Is that what you needed, Robin? Lynn Yarny? Lynn Yarny. Yes. Data analytics manager. First of all, thank you all so much for your support of the intercept surveys here. Overall, we got a really great response rate to this survey. I think we're going to be receiving the first response rate quite this high to a survey of this nature. Really? Is that good? Yes. Yeah. I think you're going to be very impressed with the numbers. Yeah. So, really great. And I think that really speaks to the strength of the community and your help in doing some of that leg work. We did also try something new in this where we also we did a male component of the survey, which usually helps get a more statistically representative sample. In this case, we did not see great results from the survey. So, that's going to help us, I think, and we think about how best to gather feedback from, you know, especially communities of particular interest. That that male survey was, was bilingual. I think, you know, I know about 10 surveys back in the mail. We would take some more Spanish. So, you know, I think we're going to have to reach specifically into those communities for greater information that we want that. So, that's an interesting piece. So, the very first kind of graph here in the power point is about the distribution of the responses across to H categories and these are the H categories from the census. So, on the left is what our response distribution looks like and on the right is what that census population distribution is. We talked a little bit about this kind of on the front end of like how we know how representative the sample is. And as you can see that 55 to 64 age group that we were particularly interested in is underrepresented in the sample. So, what we did about that was we waited some of the responses to to account for that to kind of make sure that we had as much of the 55 to 64 voice as we want to hear as it's borne by the population. Otherwise, I think the the distribution is pretty good across across those age groups. So, overall, great, obviously great attendance. Part of that has to do with the fact that we did the intercept survey but, you know, the fact that we did get a lot of folks answering no to that question about whether they visited the senior center in the last 12 months is we believe we had some some good good coverage. Then what was really interesting then on slide four there was the was that distribution again between age groups where you have kind of split where you in the 65 to 74 you have, you know, that kind of 70% attending 30% not attending. It's almost split in that 55 to 64 which is something that you all had unexpected to see. Right, but not sure we had to ask if that was the that was the barrier. So then we also asked about, you know, what's what's bringing you in today? Obviously, a lot of really wonderful programs as you all have discussed and those program items are really what what people are coming forward coming forward, classes and workshops are coming for exercise and fitness. So that's that's helpful and I think really affirming is as far as you actually are moving forward. So that's that's that next slide on six and then again on five and then on slide six again that's that's broken down by age groups so you can see that there's a little bit of a difference in terms of what programs people are attending. So particularly for the 55 to 64 age range there's less attendance at the exercise and fitness. I think we could probably interpret that a number of ways could be that they are even you know other other things but you know so this and this one is the reason that they're currently attending. It'll also be I think helpful to look at the like areas of interest as we move forward. So for 55 to 64 exercise and fitness is lower than the rest of the population and then there was a slightly higher interest or kind of uncharacteristically higher interest in special events. So as you think about like kind of the life cycle of a senior center participant, seems like maybe special events are really to start their relationship and then you know move it to other causes and programs as that continues. So I just have a question for clarification. When we're saying meals on the meals does that actually mean the centers? Luncheon? Yes. Not the meals on the meals. None. Right. Not participation in the meals on the meals program. Is it center? Yeah it's why are they coming to the center the actual center? Yes. And I have one more. I think you said it was slide five and six. What reasons for attending the grand total figures are different? Yes and that is because I think the the top one is related according to that population piece so that we can get the ranking correct. Whereas the one that's actually split out by age. This is actual. Actually no that's too high. Maybe I had that or I will let you know. And then slide seven which is question four is about you know ranking you know that that ranking of interests and programs. So exercise and fitness is kind of the number one like highest interest piece across the population followed by you know drop in activities, classes, and workshops. So interestingly like across the population there's lower interest and special events but we know that's a good entry point for your fitness support that that might kind of help target some of the marketing or how to go about that. So definitely some interest here. An extension we weren't able to to get the two in time for this was to do this breakdown by age group for this it was just a lot here because it's a of the ranking exercise but that I think could also be really helpful. Following that we asked about barriers to participation great news across that whole population. The most common response was I don't have barriers I think you need to look at this comment and again that that could be related to a little bit of a sample bias because we had a really high percentage of intercept surveys here but I think it's really good news. And then right after that we see open hours and program times don't match my ability. So which is great because I think you all are working towards solving that problem and also kind of talking about the relevance and awareness pieces that come from those. Similarly the barriers for about 55 to 64 age range because I just left the numbers off of this it was like just waiting not waiting things it's not helping. We look at that age group the number one barrier that that age group I was the open hours and program times there certainly were a lot of comments about you know work schedules and things like that that were happening. So and the other thing the other difference that you see here is that I don't consider myself a senior kind of pops up a couple spots in terms of ranking. So that's maybe something to take a look at. I still don't consider myself a senior kind of pops up a couple spots in terms of ranking. One that I think is interesting is that you know the relevance goes down whereas in the overall population there's that discussion of like oh yeah we're going to start out with this one really is hours and awareness and so it's how are we reaching that population in the first place so I don't know about the way. I would like to point out the programs aren't offered in my language is the very bottom so maybe we need to focus on cultural diversity rather than language diversity although it could be that we're not getting people here who have a language barrier as opposed to. And I think that is something that we see like thinking about the survey response you know again like kind of that that sample versus population I'm not sure that the the sample really reflected reflects the population in terms of language so we may want to focus on that. Yeah I know that the survey that I handed out I think that too in Spanish so I don't know yeah that actually needed in Spanish. Questions? Publications? I was I'm just going to say quick I was glad to see that transportation wasn't a problem. I really liked that idea that that's not keeping people from being in the same landscape. It seems to be a really good done. An observation is we've done a couple of short surveys we did one last about a year ago something like that and we did another one about six months ago and the results it wasn't structured as well as this was but the results are similar. The kinds of things that people like classes workshop exercise you know they're always up there and then like computer and technology assistance you know or after anyway the overall ranking is very similar between all of these you know the surveys we're trying to throw out. Any other questions? And then the sort of public description that we were calling them with the fact this is the board we intentionally don't get so that would be and sort of happening those things is you know is it a combination of our ability and programs offered? I mean there's 248 for hours 105 for programs offered. I mean is it because these programs speak to 66 and older right? Anything else? Yes. Coming back to the extended hours thing which I think we've got more evidence that would be useful. We may be ready to take the next step with that if especially if you're doing organizing additional surveys and focus groups which nights are better for extending hours or are for our weekends better for extending hours because then we can look at all right how much does it cost to extend hours and those are all things that we're going to want to know by Apple. Well Jeff and I already have put that in our hand. Oh good. So I work with Jeff to identify those costs. Yeah. And now we're looking at intentionally what days. Yeah. If that is the question right what days? Our proposal was to stay open until seven and then be open at least to start with on Saturdays from like eight to four and then depending on how well that went then make future requests to include Sunday or later. Or even early. Yeah. Or even less I mean it's hard to squeeze in you know I'm all right I will admit to not doing anything at eight o'clock on Saturday so it might be ten to four would be very good. I just mentioned that we've done three or four surveys over the last year and a half or so and all on programs. And have you ever done more on services you know. One more in detail like counseling or any of these could take any of those categories and break them down. But you know the old financial kind of old health and all of the services. I'm not quite sure if I've ever seen anything like that. And I appreciate you saying that because after seeing these results or on programs specifically that's exactly where my mind went okay this has been fantastic information. It is good information. We had such a great response over the last participants. How do we shift that to that specifically right those counseling services and resources. Supported services as well. What things are there. What we can do to improve those spaces. Does that allow me to. To operate a physician that doesn't exist it's not this information or I mean request an additional person that that already existed in that mental health. That's a huge area of information. I know you I knew your staff was as good feel for it. It would be nice to get some numbers. That was my that was going to be my next next ask is is there any way to shift this towards that. This was about the issue of data collection. That's another discussion. I've got some ideas and I've heard that that's another discussion. But I also and this is not a criticism. It's conducted. I noticed from my experience handing out questionnaires one that there was people who were in a class and they came out and so four or five six of them. Oh we'll do this now. But somebody is coming in for counseling or a one on one. So they come out to that. Even if they want to build a school now they're just one person. So they're getting a little bit of a a bias. I had several people who were who came for a Kiwanis meeting today meet in here. And they looked at it and said no. No this is the only time I come here. But they were included in the results. So I'm not sure what's what's the best way. But people also have the opportunity online to fill out the survey as well. So you didn't even have to come here if you wanted to provide feedback. Now how many people who said that there was people couldn't. Yeah it wasn't the online. It was the male. Yes the male survey results were were low. I mean you know in double digits. Someone about the person and online. If the person and online there was a value. But actually so you get a lot of of online results. I think it's probably going to do that. That's so heavy. I guess it's just the same for you. And you know when I would stop people and ask them if they wanted to do it. Some of them said oh I already got it online and I already did it or saved it and I'm going to do it. And so I'm just going to go online. Okay anything else. Thank you so much very good. Thank you very much. I really like the results. And do I. Am I reflecting the feeling of the board? I say that maybe we need information on services. All right. How was that? How was that update? All right. I'll do my usual. Okay. Longer states of mind have been looking at housing issues and we've somewhat split it up right now. Longer's population is growing at some certain alarming rate as we have now up to nearly 100,000. And the senior population which is the purposes of this is 55 and over is growing at a faster rate from the general population. One third of the long next population today is over 55 years old. And the opposite side of population growth for seniors over 80 years old on 204 or at the same increase by 2050 is worth being with them. In mind even though base numbers for this projection are few and far between over 50% of the long walk home owners are aged over 55 and the percentage of all seniors who are home owners is a well over 75%. All sounds very prosperous, but there are still 25% of seniors over 55 who are either renters or living in some type of assisted living facility. While older homeowners often find themselves still living with a mortgaged pay, but now with only one income or surviving on an inadequate income of social security and small private pensions. So all this long walk life for these seniors came way of long once affordable housing program that's required the senior housing needs in the city as complex. Right Marsha? The city's downpayment assistance program is popular and helpful for prospective home buyers trying to get together and downpayment and most loans fall into the zero repayment bucket, but this does not help seniors trying to stay in the home ownership world. And downsizing proves to be difficult these days, not just because house prices have risen systematically in the last decade, but seniors lose their homestead property tax deduction when they move. This is maybe the one bright spot for seniors in the complexity of proposition HH. The homestead exemption will be portable and tied to the property owner rather than the actual property. I have to say after reading the complexities of HH, this is the one thing that popped out of me, it's the one thing that will make me vote for it. So where does that move seniors for renting? When we decide they should leave the property market and rent instead. They find along with younger renters that rents have also increased exponentially and monthly payments for even modest departments are now in the 12 to $1,500 range. And now we get into the world of affordable or attainable housing, MHI, which is the median household income, rental based vouchers, and the LHJ. Lonnie and I will review, research, and report. This is the ease of the reporting world is more complex. And we started to meet with people. We met with three different representatives of different area of housing. We met with, I met with four people here from the senior center. And she was met with, you know, I guess we both did, we met with Alice from Hope, and we also met with Kayla from the city. And I had some email contact with Zoe and and we're also going to be meeting with Molly as soon as she can kind of fit it into a schedule. But right now, one of the people there is on medical leave. So she's kind of taking over that too. So she's kind of busy right now. But this is an ongoing thing for us. So we're not looking to hurry up and get this. We just wanted to start the process. I met with Veronica, Melissa, and Amy from the senior center. And the big thing we heard from everybody is more affordable housing is needed in Longman. Another thing we heard is more assisted with affordable assisted living housing is needed in Longman. Since most, well, you know, the historically and almost dogmatically the LHA has stayed away from assisted living because that's Medicare Medicated. And now that we have some younger thinkers focused on the problem, now the LHA is kind of thinking, yeah, maybe we need a public option for assisted living, but that's just just at the incremental stretch. So the answer right now is no, the city slash the LHA doesn't bother anything for assisted living. And that's one of the reasons why there are some cultural problems at the senior housing because people are hanging on to their senior housing. Right now, since most of the housing in the last 10 years has been built for seniors in the LHA, new building will be geared towards family single people and housing the unhoused. And some seniors will be able to get into some of the new housing. It's not strictly non-seniors in there. So my computer is doing something very much in just one moment. Here we go. Eligibility for affordable housing is set with different tiers and based on AMI, average median income. Affordability is a relative term. What's affordable for a working person would be different than what's affordable for seniors. And I'm going to go through a few of the quick issues that we discussed. Affordable housing for seniors, people 55 to 62 years old and the unhoused. And what they're finding is people who are 55 to 62 are also becoming a noticeable population meeting housing. They're finding that their apartments are getting too expensive. Some of times they lose a spouse so they only have one income coming in. So it's not just seniors at 62. It's working people who are older and their life changes has caused them to have to redo their housing situation. I'm really sorry about this computer you guys. I'm going to try to remember what they said. So if people have their homes and they have what's called the home. Thank you. People wanting to age at home. Can they afford extra care if they need to bring it into their home? And can they cover expenses like possible mortgage payment when income changes, property taxes, maintenance, accessibility modifications to their home? So they may own their home and they may not even have a mortgage. But if they start running into problems with property taxes going up and modifications needed done on their home, then that's that's running into their income too. That's running into the problem. Grandparents raising grandchildren. What they find here is that different levels of help is needed. Different level of help is needed for the grandparent as opposed to the child who's living with the grandparent. Loss of spouse or partner. Loss of income and possibly needing to take over running the household. So it could be that the person who did all the tasks in running the household has. And then the other spouse has to take over. Not only paying the bills but making sure the taxes are paid and all that sort of thing when they're not even aware of how to do it. People renting for many years have their homes sold and they can't find affordable replacement for that. I'm going to address that at the end. Seniors who own homes and get benefits like the Homestead Act will lose them if they sell their home. So they would have to wait, you said five to ten years for it to be reactivated if they move to a new place. Is that it final? It's a complete reset. Right. And how long would the years take? Okay. So the question is, seniors who own home, no, if they sell their home to downsides, they'll have to find a reasonably priced replacement which is not a lot of inventory and we'll have to navigate the question of what to do with the money made on their sale of the original home. Mobile homes have some restrictions on what they can sell or if they can sell depending on their age. But what I was told was, because they do start depreciating right away, but what I was told was people are surprised because of the demand that they can sell their mobile home for higher than they expected. When they go to sell it, they find out that they're actually going to make more than they realized because of the fact that people are finding that an affordable alternative to housing, to when they sell their own home or when they need to find another rental. But again, replacement homes also always have to be found. And the biggest shame is that people who have spent their careers working for a long time, supporting its growth, keeping it clean, keeping it citizens supplied with fuel, food, resources to help the city grow, are now finding their long-term rentals are being sold or their rent is not now out of range. So the very people that helped to build one month now cannot afford to stay here to retire. They must move away from the community that they helped to build. And that was the biggest shame that I got out of the whole meeting. It was the people who worked hard for a long time stayed here. They had great landlords who rented decade after decade didn't do a lot of the rent increases when the landlord passes or sells the home and everything goes in flux. You know, they don't know who's going to own it. They don't know what's going to be charged. The low rent is no longer an option. And they're forced to move away from the area just to retire because they can't afford to live where they worked for a whole lot of time. That's it. That's my report. That I think is critical. And it comes kind of under, I don't know that it comes so much under housing as daycare, adult daycare, because that would be a tremendous help to everybody. And right now I think we have maybe one here in Canada. I don't know of any. Yes, I know of a church. Yeah, it's called a great person or something like that. So I think that we've experienced that ourselves, but I think that that's something that needs to really be like that.  Let's go to information. Good report. I just feel overwhelmed. Tell me about it. You said something like that. It's exactly what you feel like. I think you said it. I just listened to this. What are we going to do? You know, just my reaction is I don't honestly know how much that we as a board can do in the whole scheme of things except direct people to the proper sources that your resource specialists are already are already doing that thing. They know that resources in the community. I don't I'm frustrated. I think that information gathering is the value that this board brings. You know, some of those things were useful to some ideas that I've been thinking about, not just in the context of seniors particularly, but a problem and one of the reasons that lends are going, you know, are pegging at the top of what the market will bear is because rental single family rental properties are the latest venture capital target. And so I've been thinking about policy changes that Longmont can make that would discourage corporate buyers from investing in Longmont. Now, it's illegal to just pass a statute that says outside corporate investors can't buy our houses. You know, there are there are federal laws that say you can't do that.  And so perhaps if the city offered favored financing that came with deed restrictions so that either local local landlords or local homeowners could could get money from the city to improve their property. And then if they sold the property, it would come with a deed restriction that says you have to be either owner occupied or you have to be a residential Longmont if you're the landlord. And that's legal. So information of that sort, situational stuff that we can capitalize on to make policies that would that would tend to depress rents and keep things local are something that we can that that we as people who experience and talk to people who are experiencing these problems. That's a big deal. And in your talk, you have several more points of oh, this is a way we could stick a deed restriction to that property. Because it does not hurt a senior who wants to stay in the house to have a deed restriction. It may hurt their children, but you know what? Those kids are growing around to worry about it. Yeah. Well, right now with affordable housing, if the place is sold, doesn't it not have to remain affordable and affordable? That's what a deed restriction does. And isn't that being looked at in some instances as they're not putting a deed restriction on some of those? Well, there's I said, I'm using deed restriction a little bit loosely, first of all. So deed restriction has a really precise meaning. And there are other other ways of of of attaching conditions to what happens to the property. You know, so income qualification to take over either to buy or to come in next rent or, you know, that you have to have income qualified for this amount of time. And often we call it a deed restriction, because the city has a lien with some sort on it, so that it comes past the administrative stuff. Because you know, I could rent my upstairs and there's no there's no statutory transaction at all. But but if there's a lien on the property don't raise. So does that answer your question? It just seems to me that what I'm seeing is that, okay, so I bought an affordable house. I have to sell that at an affordable price. But the next person in there may not have to abide by that may have the option to go market value at that point. So then we aren't doing affordable housing. We're doing affordable housing to a certain point. And then most of the things I've seen talked about and I'm just wondering how do we keep affordable and attainable. Yeah, so the the city is really just dipping its toe into attainable housing and most of our affordable housing is rental. So you know, that's a lot easier because it has to stay in the affordable, has to stay income qualified. That's easier with levels. But yeah, we're we're now discussing that. And I don't think that that there's a huge amount of settled statutes right now. And honestly, I'm not entirely sure. So if there's likely a report that I can come back another time, but I don't have anything to talk about that. Laurie, I just want to say to when we approach people to talk to when we let them know that we are information gathering, we just want to find out as much information as we can. And even a type of person I know I am, it's very frustrating because I can't look at say something and say, okay, let's head in this direction to solve this. Let's try to figure out ways to solve this. This is such a bigger issue. We're not looking to solve, you know, to solve issues. We're not even looking to make recommendations. We're looking to get back them. And we're looking to put a good comprehensive list together of the things that we find are needed in long or the problems. When I was speaking to the senior center, resource specialists, they all said the same thing. They end up putting people on waiting lists. And it's very frustrating to them, because they can't always get someone into a place immediately when they need one. It's very rare for them to be able to do that. They have to go through the process. And what I'm starting to think is, let's find out how we could make that process shorter. You know, we can do something. Let's find out if there is anything. But we are fact-finding, and we've told them that, you know, our idea is just to find out all the different areas of housing, not just affordable, but all the different areas of housing very long. And then be a good source of information if nothing else. Okay. You know, my next question is going to be, what are you planning next? You just answered the question. Marsha, you were talking about federal restrictions on what can be done. And that was something that K.A. at the affordable housing section said, she said, you have some financial assistance programs for housing that are federal, under, I'm speaking federally funded, but also under federal regulations. And she said, if we could find a way to do that at the state level or even the local level, that would give more freedom to help people in the local community, but with federal oversight or federal rules to follow. It's very difficult to do, to be creative and to move quickly to solve immediate problems in our city. So that's something we're looking at. Okay. So we'll look forward to another report. Sure. Yes. Arlene, do you have any more you want to add to last month's report? Just, just a couple of updates. I won't take long because we're running out of time. The microchance at bus, I think is something that we certainly need to continue to advocate for as far as it being available for not only CEO, but also low income manager, anybody in town. And it does need to be reasonably priced. Microchance. And I think we're still looking at 2024 for that to start. So any way that we can, if we can advocate for the city to say, okay, you can write for a dollar, you can write for two dollars, you can write free, which would be wonderful. I think we need to advocate on that. As far as crosslights go for people trying to go across, I have noticed, and I'd never noticed this before, but I noticed that it's all traffic stops. And then the light turns to the little person before traffic goes again. And I thought, you know, that's kind of neat because it gives you the chance to start going across the street before traffic is going. So I hadn't noticed that. I noticed that some of the street lights. Yeah, new software. Okay. Because that is really, that is really neat. So I've seen that. That's where you use it. Yeah. Street time, of course, you know, that's going to be forever, I guess. The train more of course, you know, advocate for quiet zones. And getting people to city services, how can we do that? Now I thought about something, and I thought if we could find volunteer drivers, and we can find a volunteer bus, so what this is, you guys weren't here last week, last time. We have people that ask us, how can we get to some of these city events that come on in the summertime on the weekends, when there's no buses available, you know, as far as VIA doesn't do it, and all that, and RGD probably doesn't know where they are. And so if we could get, and I know some of the drivers for VIA, if they would be willing to say volunteer, they're trying to do this, could we get a bus, could we get a senior center bus or a recreation bus or something, and get the people out to some of the different places, take them to these and pick them up again. So that's just something I've been, I've been thinking about. Anyway, that's pretty much where I'm at. Let's pursue that a little more. Didn't we discuss that kind of at the last year we had, and saying that the fact that the recreation bus and the senior services bus really went out in option. Jeff said that you guys were going to look into that for the city vehicles to be operated, they had to be operated by city staff. So you're saying the city staff couldn't have volunteered versus that name? They would, it would just have to be the city staff that didn't need the staff members in your vehicle. They would have to be a city staff member. Yeah, it's hard to ask city staff members to volunteer at their time. I don't know. You've got a lot of specific subjects in general, right? We can work with. Okay, I don't mind. So, excuse me David, I'm sorry, but I just, so we've gotten a couple of transit organizations a Black, it's the one that comes, there's Private, so it might be worth approaching them to see if they would volunteer a bus after drive or for some sort of consideration like free advertising to go. You know, are you finished? Yeah, yeah. They donate buses at the end of every year and the buses that they turn over, they donate them to organizations to have seen where there's a call for people to apply and to have another, you know, apply for another organization to recommend another organization. So, they are civic-minded, they are community-minded, so that may be an option, but that is something that I thought about was them, because their numbers would be quality. Proud to hear. At our last meeting I said, I said, you deserve more time for the managers to be working here right now. It's okay, that's okay. You got some of those times yours. And that's why I said that the whole purpose of a lot of this we've talked about. Exactly, we cover a lot of these organically, and that's why I am okay putting it out in advance, everybody has a chance for you, and that's why I was open up because I didn't have any questions number one, and then I kind of just had some key points. So, I'm okay with seven, ten, because the report is out there for, you know, to meet your own community as well. And I prefer these conversations, right, versus just things like this. So, we do have a posted a part 10 position for our office assistant. Becky Miller has resigned her position. So, Becky was with us for, and helps us out. I had a pretty average on it, 10 hours a week, sorry, 10 hours a month, for her regular schedule shifts to cover our staff meetings. And if something's out, or taking vacation time, she's able to, we're able to plan our schedule very coming and cover. So, she resigned her position for her own reasons. And so, we posted that position right now. So, we're looking to fill that vacancy. And we'll be posting our new registration program position within the next week or so. As we were discussing, hope is to have a posted here within the next week or so to set up interviews for students. So, we have all of November to have this, this posted, this position posted, for the primary quality candidate we're having to rush at. You know, we'll be at just like, all of our, my hires that we've made are really, really very intentional. But we're open that we have a, you know, a bit more qualified candidates to interview December with the help of a generally extended start date. You post your positions internally, then the city first, or to do everything simultaneously, it was externally, and So, it's a day of contending, right? Right. We have set up advisory board interviews. I don't work for seven. Lani and Art will be participating in our interview process with Jeff and I. So, we're going to set up this identified date and times for five applicants. Wow, low entry, yeah. So, five applicants to the board. So, we'll be helping out with the interview process. And as for our friends board, we're currently working with our, with our friend board to identify our 22nd board budget. So, we gave you our, all our amounts of just identifying the line items and what's the lines we're going to do to those line items. Presenting that to the executive board last Friday, going to the November meeting, Jeff presented a whole board, had a whole board reveal, and then we'll move into December where we're developing on finalizing that budget. Let's see, oh man, at some point in time, we will be addressing the heat radiation board. So, we'll have that right now, but we'll be addressing it right there. Thank you for forwarding that. I did talk to Zach about it. It's going to be more of it. That's another complex. It is. As mentioned, we're moving 12, first of all, our new go is out for December, February, just came out last week. The new feature that our program team is offering there is the addition of the walk walk abilities. Yeah. So, identifying the little difficulty for each trip, something that has not been featured in those, allows our patients to who are interested in these specific trips to take those guys to see if it's based off of the amount of moments of the difficulty, if that's something they want to register for. So, that's a really neat addition into our, into our bill. And then also we advertise that we'll be trip checking to Lash Street, Lash Street station, starting in December. Our program team already also have the 24 kickoff program, pick up me, and where they started generating ideas for trips and programs for 2024. So, they have a great goal of programming and things that have, of course, they've done some pieces here. They feel that a lot of our trips have been recycled for a certain set of period of time and have a goal of introducing close to, close to, of course, taking the ones that are very popular trips, let's say, Blackhawk trips, right? Even those things consistent, they're close to 100% new programs for 2024. They have their experiences, have the great ideas that they implemented in the past, are successful and different with their organizations, they want to bring in those opportunities for our center. So, they're doing that work, they already have, they're generating those ideas for 2024. Again, like Bradley on our team just seeing the direction of the one, what we, you know, how long they work together. So, a lot of fun stuff, 159, and I will open it up if you have any questions. I had sent you an email, because I wasn't, I mean, not only interviewer and community, but other board members can have copies of the applications, is that? I have to look into that one logistically. I don't know if anybody outside of the, even though it's part of our boards, side of the hiring, or the interview for the community specifically can have access to those. So, I'll look into that and get back to you. Yeah, I understand, if it's not okay to do that. I just want to make sure. I just want to make sure. And if not, could they, could everybody get a list of names of the people they find? I actually think that would be the same question. Okay. Are we allowed to publicize that? Right. So, I have to take a little bit of that. Okay. Ten seconds to say. We're doing a good job, and we pulled things together. I can see them, put other things together in a while. I appreciate that. I appreciate your support from our G board for some minutes. I appreciate the feedback, I appreciate this, or I appreciate your ideas, and a lot of great things come out of this group. Not very simple, is that? Can I just say something quick? Oh, sorry. One of the things that I'm really caught me was I'm impressed with the steadiness of what you're doing. The incrementalization idea is just fantastic, because you're doing everything slowly and methodically and intentional, and it just, it allows everything to be, to come out, flush everything out as you move it, and you're not jumping into decisions and then finding out where you missed the vote, or things that you didn't look at, or didn't want me to wear until after, you know, your way ahead of it. You're doing things so nicely and clearly and intentionally, and I love the incrementalization idea, incrementalism, I love that. I think that's fantastic. I want to compliment you on how things are going. You talked about how you're doing this slow and steady, but to see it in action. Sometimes you get a little crazy. You get craps sometimes when you start out that way, and it works out the best. And I appreciate that. Thank you, and I feel one of my greatest strengths, and hers at the same time, is the attention to detail, but being able to evaluate systems and structures to identify areas of improvement by using that focusing on the detail to put it into action. So by that I'm, you know, overall goals, objectives, and timelines, and all these little details that come into that to see it come alive. It is a strength that I always call the curse, because I always wonder what this is, right? And I appreciate that. Thank you very much. It gives me a feeling of confidence to know that if you're doing something, you're handling these things. You're covering these things as you're moving forward, right? And that, as a new member, it's nice to know that things have been done so so well. Thank you very much. For just a second, I want to go back to the item I added to the agenda, which is elect secretary. And I just wanted to point out we never did. And we have no secretary. And that's because Roddy and his staff have helped us always keep in mind that. But that's not the only duty of the secretary, although it's just mainly to keep track of the correspondence, I think. So we probably shouldn't have one. But just like Dayton is, we'll wait until January when we might know. The new members, maybe somebody who you would like to keep an eye on. I also would like to say think about if you want to be an officer, president, vice president, secretary. So that's over. So do I have a motion for adjournment? Yes. A motion for adjournment. Okay, is there a second? Okay. Okay, move the seconded to be adjourned. I can pay or say aye. Aye.


Thank you very much. First of all, can you all see me? Yes, can you all hear me? Yes, good. So Cloud Computing, why it matters. Quick introduction first. My name is Simon Wardley. I work on Cloud Computing strategy at Canonical and Canonical for those of you who don't know is the company that spots us and supports Ubuntu. Now before I start, quick word of warning. I'm a scientist by training, which means I like graphs. Now I've crossed a quick graph. This is a graph at the level of audience pain, that's you, against the number of slides given in a 20 minute presentation. Now I reckon there's a safe limit of around about 10 slides. Now seeing that I'm a scientist, I like to experiment. I'm going to be doing this with no less than 196 slides. I know what you're thinking, but don't worry if you do get a bit lost, this is a talk on Cloud Computing. Being lost is normal. So what is Cloud Computing? Well on the way here I asked the taxi driver in London and he said it's like computers on the internet in it. That's actually very, very good. So I asked the technology strategist and he said it's the future of technology and a disruptive shift of the computing stack to online services. Well that's just a posh way of saying it's like computers on the internet in it. So I asked the businessman and he said it's what the technology strategist said it was, but it's also about the provision of computing resources like electricity and getting rid of expensive costs like sys admins. So I asked the sys admin and he said it's like software as a service or SaaS and infrastructure provision and platform as a service that's pass and utility computing being provided on public clouds which is different from private clouds which are cloud computing unless of course you're talking about hybrid clouds which are cloud and it's high unlocking and did I mention infrastructure. So I looked at you and I found 67 definitions of cloud computing. Now once this doesn't help you if what you're trying to do is understand a field it does help me because I'm trying to pad out a presentation. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to look at those 67 definitions. Number one. On demand self service internet infrastructure where you pay as you go use what you need managed by a browser application API. The cloud computing market is broken up as a service including cloud application, cloud platform, cloud infrastructure, brackets, c cloud pyramid. So what's a cloud pyramid? Well it turns out it's another eight definitions and an entire argument over where the cloud is a triangle and if so which way does it point? Lost yet you will be definition number two. Now I'm not really going to go through 67 definitions with you now so don't worry but having done so I can tell you that there is no definition for cloud computing unless of course you're talking to a technology strategist in which case they'll normally define cloud computing as being their product. So I looked around for analogy. Why are we having such a problem with definition? I found an analogy and that analogy is this. What is industrial revolution? Well I asked my taxi driver and he said it's like mechanised horses in it. Again very good. I looked on Google and I found 43 definitions again. So let's have a look at them. Number one. Broad socioeconomic changes starting in the 18th century. I'll add number two. Rapid development of industry in the early 19th century. Okay we can't even agree on which century the industrial revolution was in. Once you've gone through the definitions you find that there's no absolute definition and this is 200 years later. Now at this rate by the time we understand what cloud computing is kittens will be online. Now the reason why there is such a problem with definition is cloud computing is simply not a thing. It's a transition. And this is at the heart of the problem so I want to go and have a look at the fundamentals of this using the example of the industrial revolution. So the industrial revolution was a time when we went from a spoke cottage industry to one of mass production. And that required a number of different factors. For example you needed the concept of mass production. You needed suitability of activities for mass production. You needed the technology to achieve this. And most of all you needed a change of attitude in society to accept these models. Now this is what caused the industrial revolution. And you can't define industrial revolution in terms of a product or in terms of a technology. Now the same is true with cloud computing because it's not just a technology it's actually a transition and transformation of that industry. And it's caused by multiple different factors. So this is why I'm going to start. And I'm going to start with concept first of all. Well the concept behind cloud computing is actually fairly old started back in 1968 with John McCarthy who predicted that in the future computing resources would be provided just like electricity. And this term was called utility computing. Now it's a great idea but where did it come from? Well to understand that you have to go back further and look at the electricity industry. So the electricity industry started off back in 1821 with the innovation of electricity on production. And it was brand new, it was hot, it was what we would call an innovation. And then over the years the number of spoke systems were created such as the Hippolyte Pixie. And then we started to have products being produced until we got to about the 1890s when Edison of Western House created the first utility bridge. Electricity had become much more of a commodity. It had become suitable for service provision. Then we had Harvey Hubbell created the plug and then by the 1930s we had things like the National Grid. So electricity provision had transformed from an innovation to something which was a kind of service. It had become ubiquitous. It had lost its spark.