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jason you're right we should do some headlines apple sent out invites uh... to select press for an announcement of its audits uh... that will be taking place at its corporate campus incupertino on monday march twenty first at ten a m pacific time the invite to the press conference read let us loop you in uh... if you're wondering hey wait a minute that's monday apple seems to often do their press conferences on tuesday well judge pims hearing regarding apples objection to a court order compelling the company to assist the fb i happens tuesday march twenty second do you obviously apple very very finicky about the timing of their announcements it was enough for them to disassociate themselves with the mac world conference because they wanted to not be beholden to a certain day on the calendar how much do you think this internally wrangles apple that that uh... that this obviously is is at least moved from their normal sure day right and they got to do before because they can't launch it after and then i have to be a press conference interesting thought because mark german originally said they intended to do it on march fifteenth yeah he's often very correct and so it was odd for him to have to come out and amend his own rumor uh... today did they know but i don't want to put that apple right before is is not all that now that's definitely but i'm just saying you know tinfoil had on today want this to happen the day before that also do they want to maybe make this yeah a little bit more of a political i don't know a statement for themselves that would be very very interest i mean imagine it would be the best design uh... political protest effort yeah i mean when you think about it that way it's pretty good for you and i would like to know you what democracy looks like we haven't yet our new encryption scheme that were announced uh... a new developer version of the opera browser includes full built in and blocking the feature also shows how much faster pages load without ads an opera claims it can load pages forty percent faster than ad blocking plug-ins operas uh... svp of engineering told fortune that the company does and not intend to sell white listing to publishers but it will leave that under user control so you can wait list yeah they will not globally white list uh... implied for money right there they're going to avoid that accusation of all those ad blockers are just out there trying to to make money off of blocking ads from you uh... by saying no this is that and that's up opera's mode was like we put you in control yes of things that is the point of us now this is just the developer version hasn't made it into the final shipping product it'll be interesting to see how much pressure is applied to opera if any uh... not to ship this feature because member firefox with their do not track and and microsoft with turning on the do not track by default got and that was less than ad blocking just do not track yeah uh... i don't know this is this is uh... this is an interesting move it's not chrome is doing it it's not like microsoft i think this deserves a lot more time yet to get to it we're talking about ad blocking in general for sure uh... sonos ceo john mcfarlane wrote a blog post announcing that sonos would have to let some employees go uh... while describing his view for the company's future actually did mostly describing view for the future and at the very end said when the sad part is we're gonna have to lay off some people uh... one of his views is unsurprisingly to get better at helping customers manager music services he talked a lot about how streaming services weren't really around when they launched so they have to adapt to that they want to make sonos the best way uh... to consume those services possible the other is to figure out how best to bring voice-enabled music experiences into the home mcfarlane acknowledged that amazon is an inspiration there so voice-enabled now he does say music experiences but voice-enabled means that sonos might be angling to become that trojan horse that is your home hub the way that the amazon echo has been so this is very very interesting because sonos has throughout their history and very very successfully kind of define themselves as the high-end speakers of the future and that are dead simple to set up that's a little setup but but they were almost they seem to be almost angling more to be bangin olufsen right then uh... to be a a computing company that has that kind of you why i wouldn't say bows because the actual audio files will we'll start throwing tomatoes uh... but but brand recognition as they like that they would they they want to be i my rich friend has sonos all over his house right right my my music file uh... my audio file friend i use a sonos that's something that they have very very much and even in their super bowl ads they've made the experience yes your uh... rick rubin and his wizard like features are parading around his mansion uh... calibrating each and every room with his sonos speakers i almost feel like this puts sonos almost in either like whether or not they're able to pivot will be curious now if you are a company that wants to get in this doesn't sonos can seem like a a acquisition target or or a uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... huge chip that you can now make a lot better with somebody who will be losing that about sonos for a long time they expected apple to come in and buy them because yeah uh... and that has not happened i i think that the interesting part of his post is he very much emphasizes the tone of we're not responding to short-term shareholder concerns here we want to turn the ship to be going in the direction that it should for years yeah and and so we're we're gonna take our time and do this right and fortunately means we have to listen people off to do it uh... but he's got the right rhetoric whether they can pull it off though that's always the problem and can you can you reinvent yourself and this is also that the big the big question with sonos is that if they wanted to continue to be the high-end speaker system need to keep coming out with new and bigger and better speakers right they have a very limited product line which is something else that's very apple-like right but it's not like they push out the new version of the play five every year they have and they they have definitely been like you say very concerned with making the speakers good yeah but they rely on other people they don't have their own music service they rely on other people for that yeah would they go so far to do it with apple music months for them to integrate with they go so far as to build amazon echo into the sonos see here's where i think we are we are kind of getting to and as we discussed last week in terms of uh... amazon kind of sneakily sort of uniting all the desperate kingdoms uh... it it seems like that's where it should go whether it does go any name checks amazon in the post which is a little bit like saying hey jeff yeah i'd love to talk nests announced two new features for its smart thermostat first uses your smartphone to tell uh... if you are home rather than relying on people walking up to the thermostat themselves the second allows for up to ten users on one account uh... fortunes stacy higgin bottom points out that this is a change from the traditional practice of identifying a single person and their device and then she's very right uh... and she's she's i love her writing she's she covers the space really well she is right that this is a sea change that people have struggled with members netflix bringing profiles that little versions of this like hey not everything is one person one account uh... but she points out the the home is going to be a big change for this because devices are insensors are shared amongst many people and it is always one of the greatest clashes of the engineers best laid plans and the real world right acting with the re there's a reason why these are complicated it's very often because of the underlying architecture of how things works and and and how it is complicated by putting different subdivisions to it so you can understand why nest has taken this long to to uh... to do it but i think like it's little things like that that take your killer feature and to fang them a little bit and they're they're going to have to defend themselves a little on that phone bit that they will now know where you are uh... you're giving them permission to know where you are now they're already saying all we want to know is are you home are you not that's all we're going to collect uh... but it's another it this is you know that another trend in the smart home is like how much information are you comfortable sharing with these companies of course we whitelist uh... you know i'm going to buy phones for my dogs to so that when i'm not home that's not that i don't know and and and of course uh... you know so you can have the home to his exact yeah i think uh... i'm sorry to interrupt yeah yeah like like on a scale of one to ten like how concerned are you about you know quote-unquote companies where they are having this information and that's a personal question you know i mean i have for me i have less of a problem with it i'm probably stupid though uh... you know for for some people it's it is an increasing issue yeah it's a matter of trust and do you think that the company is going to use it just for what they say are they going to use it to target you advertising are they gonna sell it to third parties is it going to be subpoena bowl by a government will they have to turn it over like that's that's the road that conversation sure sure well i guess the weird thing is it's like uh... like uh... i mean let's say that they did sell everything to advertisers and does that by definition just mean that what ads you do get are just actually relevant all about all right yeah if if you're telling me you're doing that and i have a chance to say yes or no that's different than like getting caught doing it yet and again we're not saying nest is going to do any of these things nest is very much saying we're not going to do much except say is the phone in the house is the phone we we do you know we need to know this information because it makes our service better now whether or not nest owned by alphabet also owns google google's a large ad sales company in the world whether or not there is an opportunity there uh... either now or down the road who knows where the fortunes of of of nest go and whether or not they need a new revenue stream we'll see but i think it's right now to answer your question i think it's something that a lot of people have an eye on i don't know if it's an on fire problem for a lot of people but i think it is something that's it's healthy to understand mhm what's collecting your data and then who would have access to youtube gaming announced its ios and android apps are now available in canada new zealand ireland and australia the app also got some changes uh... removing the sidebar to make the simple the homepage a little simpler adding a live tabs you can easily go see who your favorite subscription uh... artists artists gamers streamers uh... are doing the android app also gets a pop out player for watching video uh... they don't have that for the ios app yet uh... that will also uh... allow you to watch video while you're using other apps they could do it on ios they just haven't and the ios app has these features but the android app gets them out to adding in dvr and sixty frame per second play back support this is the time where i have to uh... disclose that my wife works for your computer tv oh i guess i need to disclose my wife works for youtube youtube uh... fight fight uh... you know this this is youtube gaming obviously is something that brand-wise uh... has uh... catching up to do that they need to establish putting part of this is uh... you know what what which is success has been community how do you make community happy you allow your fans and people who are into your service to experience it as a as a an amazing podcast everybody should listen to watch it when they want where they want on any device they want so having a slick good at is very very much a part of that i think youtube gaming's larger uh... problem is in terms of community solving their chat you know they they that's always been an issue and that's an underlying issue with all of youtube live streaming in terms of uh... making it a comment section as opposed to a check they just hired chris pool from fortune is was that real yeah that is real yeah okay i mean chris pool said it nobody's denied it yet sure uh... well is the founder of fortune that he will render my point i don't know uh... get it yes it is there mecca gobbler wanted us to know that even online now includes a project discovery minigame in between space flights you can help classify proteins to help scientists understand their role in the human body participants earn in-game rewards like isk currency and loyalty points you don't even have to be playing you or i started out being a pain he's subscriber my mistake to play the minigame how genius is that uh... get people in your game because they want to do something altruistic it's crowdsourced it's fun uh... makes people talk about beef online again yeah i mean i i think it's it's it's it is great uh... uh... great thinking and and obviously we were in an era where now mmo's maybe ten years off the peak of uh... mainstream a curiosity about them uh... need to find different and fun reasons for you to come back in the actually the the the subscription ones like uh... like either even you know juggernauts like well warcraft could be uh... taken a hit feel like you know i think uh... i'm sure that you know our our friends who run the instance but guess i really love uh... literally anything to talk i'm sure patrick major is going to tell me why that would be a bad idea for uh... and he's probably right he was born ready to crush your dreams in gadget reports hyperloop transportation technologies not hyperloop technologies those are two different companies this is the one with transport the middle of their name yeah hyperloop transportation technologies has signed a deal with the government of slavakia to investigate building a hyperloop route linking vienna brought a slava and budapest a hundred thirty five mile distance as the crow flies might be a little longer when they lay out the route the vienna link would take eight minutes the budapest line at ten minutes a possible line from brought a slava to cochiche will also be explored and probably saying that wrong pardon me uh... htt is planning a five mile test loop in k-valley california hyperloop technologies is the one in las vegas to in the test so number one let me just uh... get out there that uh... i i'm fully against this uh... europeans have had their trains for too long it is our turn now that we need to we get good trains before they get good trains it's just our uh... in all seriousness you you look at stuff like this and my my my my reporters i is very skeptical because this is this very much reads like up a great press release it gets hyperloop transportation technologies in the news it lay it gives uh... them elements for press releases to say we're also working with the following government's however for this everything that's in this press release to be true you all you have to do is buy a ticket from you know wherever they're based in los angeles yeah to europe they take a meeting they say yes we are agreeing that we are investigating the following thing and slavakia is like awesome we need to look like a forward-looking country that's on the cutting edge we've got a stony a jealousy we are going to put out a hyperloop transport yeah so it is interesting uh... very curious however i think for anybody that is excited about this technology for which i certainly am uh... the the bigger points of excitement will be people actually building and running these test tracks as opposed to nebulous agreements with foreign governments i'd love to see the test tracks can't wait love to see the test tracks fizz dot org uh... reports wikipedia announced thursday it's collaborating with researchers at sweden's kth royal institute of technology to develop a crowd sourced open source speech engine the idea is to make wikipedia more accessible to people with visual impairments project will start with swedish english and arabic by september then move on to all other of the two hundred eighty supported languages all three are expected by the end of the year yeah all three of those will come in quick succession it seems like uh... and really interesting that this is wikipedia being wikipedia right go to the crowd ask them to contribute uh... and help make the engine uh... but in this case partnering with a uh... research institute to build accessibility it's it's the kind of thing especially because it's open source so any anybody who who runs a wiki using the wiki source code can implement this once it's rolled out it's it's the kind of thing i i feel like only a wikipedia certainly i mean that they've got the manpower they've got the excitement they've got the uh... critical mass of uh... you know uh... engineers and volunteers everything so make sense good good on you and finally in sports deep mines alfago machine learning program machine learning program defeated teen time go champion lee c doll in game two of their five games series uh... lee was taken by surprise when he lost the first game but had said he thought he would win for one or five oh uh... said after losing the second game i'm speechless uh... he just did not feel like he played well game three takes place at four a m g m t saturday that means it'll be taking it place on friday night for for north america current reigning go world champion k g of china expected to be alfago's next opponent uh... told the shanghai daily he underestimated alfago but still believes he could defeat it is the rain champ the reigning champ okay not eight teen time champion uh... we are all now getting a great education in the world of competitive they are a game of go uh... and and this is this is pretty tremendous huge from up from a technological standpoint i think i'm i'm wrapping my mind around the complexity correctly when i say that as chess is to checkers as far as possible outcomes go is to chess and maybe the more so i've heard it uh... i don't know exactly how accurate this is but it's accurate enough to give you the idea there are more potential uh... moves in go then there are atoms in the universe yes yes and so much so that it that i i remember reading is recently is like seven years ago that people saying like a computer really will never be better than a human ago and then and yet well and and they are a bit is uh... you know i was having a conversation with uh... roberto viegas who's very interested in this and also extraordinarily pessimistic about alfago's chances uh... a lot of people were a lot of you know not not a controversial opinion uh... his point was what sets go apart is that there are a lot of strategic moves that are different in terms of uh... of thinking that chest like you you might seed elements of your board in chess for strategic value in go you can see the entire parts of the board yeah uh... and that's something that is a harder thing to understand in terms of deep learning however uh... uh... this uh... you know that that that however complex that challenges obviously it was enough to beat twice now yeah back to back i mean he's not i think he could come back to back yeah uh... uh... and and and now on the the verge of of of elimination in a best of five right well i think they play off of it but yeah i mean he can't he has to win the last three to say he won the series who yeah against against uh... this so you know i think uh... obviously the the news value here is far more on the a i side uh... that it is uh... the competitive but uh... uh... but exciting to see you know if it's a reason why we're talking about it and and if uh... and i want to make sure i say his name at least close to right k g k e j i e uh... does agree to play off the go which is sounds like he's coming around to it he's like i didn't want to play a machine that i could be a hundred times in a row he's like that's would be worth it but now that he's seeing this is like a this this might be worth matching up and he still thinks he can win that i'm getting even more excited about that possibility well it is that that's all that right now she really see it all can if he gets beaten more like if he gets beaten again you can say well you know okay yes that's a big advance but he didn't beat you know anybody could say he didn't beat the reigning champion if you put the reason this is putting the reigning champion against him is gary kasparov against the blue is it i think it would be like that's how do we even know that like who's even like i don't know enough about i don't know what you know the difference between leesie doll i did i'm not saying i knew but i just know like a plus b equal c and it's like well if there's a reigning champ and he hasn't beat that yeah sure like like by definition the reigning champ is the currently the hottest hottest target of course right i mean the person who through whatever factors is the guy now right well yeah they in that who you want to beat is the guy now i mean yes no i just don't what all i'm saying is that for all any of us know we are all speculating that that that case she is better then uh... the leesie doll well i'm not i'm not even saying that i'm just saying we'll take your calls i'm right after this is how this is how sports dot get started i mean sure there's the shi yui fans but uh... k beat him on december ninth in shanghai becoming the first player to win two major international titles in a single year i said reading directly from shanghai daily i mean it and that's and that's here's you want to know what now i'm i'm so frustrated with competitive go that i'm rooting for for the alpha go machine i mean where do i go to get my alpha go t-shirt you know i bet you go to be pines website maybe i don't know right now hey folks thanks uh... for submitting stories it helps us make the lineup everyday and even if you can just pop in and vote for a few things that that gives us more data to work with and our machine learning that well it's bio where it's just be actually uh... but it helps it really helps go and vote daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and that is a look at the headlines i was talking about this at block so it's one it's one thing about opera you kind of expect opera to do this kind of yet very much fight for the user yet so this doesn't surprise me i don't even think they're going to get in as much trouble as a microsoft or google to do this it is interesting to talk about whether other browsers might follow in line but opera's done lots of user friendly things that the other browsers have not yet what i do think i i i want to get up on my soapbox just a little go go yeah i don't because we have we have we have two conversations you've had it at at the second one but let's get into the first one is that ad blocking and and legitimately so is discussed as people don't want to see ads undermines the publishers bottom line and that's not fair yeah and so it's now it's war uh... and and even uh... the head of uh... internet advertising bureau has said it's that's not about the users it's it's about these browser blockers it's about adblock plus and they're putting ad blockers out there but then charging people to have the ads delivered with the white list and it's about filthy lucre and all of the sort of thing all of that is fine i i sit back and i see that debate and i say you know what i don't mind seeing ads the sites i trust not to use the privilege and deliver malware yeah and to you and that i want to support what i don't like is sites and i'm aware through their advertising uh... and sites that track me without my permission you put uh... who do super cookies and and do other ways of tracking you when you're not on their website yeah i get that that that makes the ads more valuable if they know all that information i have not approved that i have not allowed that and so i run e fs privacy privacy badger is not an ad blocker no privacy badger merely says hey we noticed that things coming from this domain show up on lots of different domains yeah so we think that it's tracking you and will block just that part yes here's why i'm bringing all this up yes for first and now wired both give me a splash page that says hey man and blockers aren't cool white list is please yeah which if i'm running an ad blocker makes perfect sense like okay and why it even says hey you want to pay to get rid of ads and you want to see it and i think that's a perfectly fair proposition of like if you don't see ads subscribe yeah you know that's awesome what i don't like is i'm getting that splash page not because i don't want to see ads because i'm blocking tracking yeah so what wired isn't saying on their splash page but is in effect saying is hey man let us track you all around the internet or we won't let you see our our content this is why uh... in in large part i feel like this is an important show and i think the people that listen to it uh... believe so because this is not a conversation that's early having on a happening on a large scale and i do think that it is a growing pains of a larger conversation because there's no reason why in a world where any app i have or at four media companies which asks me my permission to know where i am and and all sorts of different information that for their big flag ship way that they deliver the most content there shouldn't be some kind of consumer understanding that hey no you have a right to track me on this browser you have a right you have my permission to do it that's fine and and and even if that's the that's the deal the deal is hey we make this stuff we're not going to charge you for subscription i can be the new york times and put up a paywall where the wall street journal we just want permission to make these ads more valuable for us i think it's fine yeah the problem is that right now we're in this very sticky situation where the consumer knowledge isn't there the behavior from the media companies is not there and yet the problem is severe enough that affective solutions are complicating what should be a not as complicated conversation between consumer and supplier yeah and and and most people don't think of ads is is tracking them the way i'm talking about yeah most people just think of ads is like all i think they do bad things you know they show me things i don't want to see i just don't want to see that and yet and so that's why that conversation is about it and the other thing is no script which is meant to keep unauthorized scripts from running also causes the wired uh... ad blocker page to come up when you click through to how to unblock which wire did a great job they said hey click through here will tell you like here's here's how to whitelist here is that we get that ad blockers are necessary if when you get to the part of no script by the way they don't have a part of privacy battery last i looked when you get to the part of no script it says we really know scripts complicated just don't run it that that's that's it and there's me even more that's a non-start it's saying hey don't be secure we know very few of you are secure so just none of you be secure it's it's sending a message it's not it's not a right it's not a correct answer and if you are going to have a solution and that's going to be your solution you need to say hey look no script doesn't work we don't suggest you run it here's something that does what no script as but it does work we what it does yes it blocks the well yeah but what they're saying is that that that's just not going to be well and that they want to be a business with and it would be legitimate and it is perfectly legitimate to say nobody runs no script you know and percentage wise why should they cater to a very small percentage it's it's even more reasonable to say look nobody's run privacy badger come on what do you linux hippie you got a beard go home nobody runs privacy badger but my point on those is wired does a great job in its coverage of encouraging you to be more secure is saying like i look for security is a big problem and you need to educate yourselves and then in practice another part of wired not the reporter part in the essaying yeah screw them that's a big forbes is is what it is wired is you know a a brand and media conglomerate for which has made their bones on the niche content of bespectacled boffins yeah would uh... very much like to run no script because they believe it is going to be uh... uh... is going to be the best thing for their online personal hygiene but let's pivot real quick yeah yeah to what the future holds for a move like this nine times out of ten opera does something uh... you know firefox does something never really trickles down to what is now a three horse uh... race between you know safari chrome and uh... what it would what's the new i.e. called edge edge yeah uh... bono coming shortly exactly uh... however you've seen apple on the app store turn a corner over the last year about mobile ad blocking yeah this seems to be something that is at least on their radar that they believe is degrading the uh... uh... you know consumption process here's my question for you a is it likely that any of these companies uh... uh... pick up a feature like this in either safari edge or chrome and b which is the most likely i think probably safari is the most likely yeah uh... because apple doesn't have any skin in the ad game they're willing to do it on mobile if and i don't and i'm not saying i think it's even likely that they will but if they were going to that that would be the most likely one uh... and i wouldn't be shocked if they do either i think it's fifty fifty whether they want to fight that battle it's a matter of whether they think it really is a user experience problem or not and that's the good you can make that decision either way i think microsoft might do it yeah because they have done things like turn on do not track by default yep and then they've backed off on them uh... so it's it depends on which side of the table in the microsoft conference room is winning the argument is arguing the loudest yeah uh... chrome would be the biggest surprise obviously because google's the biggest advertising agency in the world or do we get into what the u k uh... uh... the there was a minister of yeah the u k culture minister john wittingdale compared ad blocking software to a modern-day protection racket in his oxford media convention keynote back on march second so let's say that google chrome has a feature like this has an ad blocking built into it that's been part of their core brand uh... you know i you you can assume that opera showing things loading faster is something that eats into yeah uh... what is the bin the core brand of of chrome it just works it just goes faster google behind amp google behind uh... new scripting languages that run faster like they definitely want to speed up your browsing what they want to do and you have the ability to say not everybody right but just because we're not the bad guys that out sense if you can and and and by the way i i i think there's uh... i i'm using a kind of uh... sinister mocking voice for this but i don't know enough about it to say that it would no matter what the bad thing it certainly something that would ride the line of abusable uh... but wouldn't necessarily uh... of the terrible for them to say we've tried at every turn to protect the golden egg that is uh... of google which is that sense and senses the money for which all of this you can say the entire alphabet is possible yeah right however that's something that they've seen declines in you know as as as well as has been uh... something that they worry about keeping healthy right issue it for sure this could be a whole not a revenue three world uh... and and the way the very googly way to go about it would be to say we're putting ad blocking against suspected malicious advertising yes you obviously had senses of one of those no but we are not whitelisting at sense we're just blocking suspicious advertising and and they would have to block they would have to whitelist other non-google ad uh... rings as well sure and they probably would yeah mind that no uh... they can enter consumer experience and they could very easily say like we're only blocking some ads ones that that hurt your user experience so they can still release that press release yeah says we are taking a hard line against malware taking a hard line against uh... tracking when you don't give it permission uh... we you know it just uh... we know and we're gonna ask you whether or not it's cool for us to do it i mean we provide all this transparency and a dashboard email once a month absolutely uh... so do you think i i i i i i i i we we we we've set a very conspiratorial tone a little tin foil yeah but uh... how likely uh... no no i just don't think they picked the fight what what size too much of a third likely yeah i think it's a third rail right now for google i don't think enough people desire it that badly yeah uh... i i think if anything if i were to say what is more possible it's that chrome comes out with a security feature that as a side effect unlike no script or privacy badger might block some ads yes but it's it but then they but they say what's not an ad blocker we don't mean it to be an ad blocker would only block an ad if an ad wasn't behaving that's that's kind of the the most likely thing that i thought because you just made that elegant point that i absolutely do agree with now i'm more that apple would do it uh... just to say because as they've they've made a big point right now you know what we're gonna see uh... by the end of this month privacy and apple yeah might become a bigger uh... a bigger part of their brand that i think they would have ever for sure and then microsoft would like to be make that part of their brand they constantly attack google as saying you know google wants to know things about you and we don't yeah even though they do and that's something that that both of them have put them on this would be a very tender spot that i could sharpen a very fine stick all right let's get to our pic of the day sam in origan uh... has been enjoying the router talk that we were doing last week yeah uh... and recently installed three access points from open mesh at his business uh... open meshes available at open dash mesh dot com slash products dot html they start at seventy five dollars you can set up multiple ssid's for guest networks cloud managed and automatically restart themselves seamlessly transfer as you walk from room to room sam says we've had virtually no downtime with these unlike our previous access points uh... which he says we're from netgear thanks for your shows will thank you sam for that and uh... if you are one of the people who's been following you know which by the way my euro started behaving much better over time i think they've been doing some firmware updates uh... open meshes essentially the better cheaper but more open source version of the euro so i'm testing your oh because that's the one that you tell people like go walk up to the store by that and install it you're done that's it open mesh requires a little more tech savviness yet but because of that you get a lot more control and it's a little more for uh... yeah i think i think i might i said this last week but uh... you know i did this is something that that interests me greatly in a older building where where uh... stuff gets knocked out one and if you're a d i if you're d i why in it open meshes a better up because it's a little more affordable yeah you can experimental i can score and send your pics to feedback at daily tech new show dot com you can find more pics of daily tech new show dot com slash pics uh... few messages to get to cash nexus said regarding your discussion about spaceports on wednesday show i'd like to draw your attention to the gateway spaceport foundation at gateway spaceport dot com uh... john blink how comes from a long line of aeronautical thinkers visionary aeronautical thinkers has been working on a space tourism for the past three years yes the field is in its infancy but many smart people are making steps in the right direction if you like space tourism maybe you'll want to take a look at that if you don't don't look at it big jim rights holy crap holy crap holy crap i was right we're moving down that road uh... and then sent us a link to american shipper dot com uh... which uh... portends the future of amazon's uh... uh... international shipping yeah they're leasing planes it's okay back to big jim's email so what does this mean it means that amazon can now move freight uh... international to u s with the network of aircraft or they if they have an air cargo forwarder with proper licensing can move the freight internationally uh... this is another step that amazon is taking that makes a lot of sense if you look at it from the logistical side the only caveat is because amazon doesn't have a forwarding license they are not able to sell space on those aircraft which is why i think we're going to see an acquisition on this probably no later than july i don't need to put his name on it if it's a date on it prognostication on this he knows from shipping though uh... they want to be able to hedge their bets and bring in more capacity to lower their cost personally i'm really impressed with what they're doing if they really do keep moving this way you're going to see a new competition model occur in the retail markets uh... as others will need to follow suit to pay or just are to stay competitive but that's just my to sense amazon uh... like wal-mart before it has a garnered of course a reputation rightfully so for mastering logistics uh... to bring down prices this according to big jim could be something that is nearly insurmountable doesn't matter how much you can be figure out how uh... uh... buy in bulk and shave off price when it comes to the retail end of it if amazon's moving its own product yeah and can and can save money there totally changes the game and then big jim points out if they can get the proper license suddenly what they've done for amazon web services where they said hey all those machines we use to load our retail site we could let other people use that power make money there becomes possible they can just be running running planes nonstop amazon air services a a s i feel like i can how long how far they are from from an uh... commercial airliner oh wow uh... amazon prime gets you there in two days slow it's very cheap it's very very cheap maybe that would be like their own hobo cards uh... finally matthew s says the discussion episode twenty seven or three about six flags reminded him of something disney did more than ten years ago he went to a disney park in chicago inside a skyscraper i guess it was a park it went to something inside a skyscraper and was very vr centric a vr lightsaber style game to six-man battle next simulations uh... the reason i bring this up is they had one where you used some simple three d design software to design your own roller coaster then you'd wait line get in a two-person max drum with a screen inside to simulate the motion riding the roller coaster you design well really cool this venture did not pan out for disney but maybe now we're approaching a point that something like it could be viable in our own homes with the idea uh... did you read on the show some of the uh... reaction that we got to our uh... or are fairly uh... naysaying uh... coverage of a little bit yeah yeah uh... so yeah just just to be clear uh... uh... although i will issue a mea culpa on my my doomsday scenario of a meteor shower of uh... oculus i i read the one right now actual six lags employee which was great yeah raining down on on people that are coming i i i still don't know exactly how secure i would uh... feel with one on third thing chinstrap it's it's fine totally fine what are you worried about lawyers that it's fine i think it's a really really good idea and and obviously but with this email shows is how long people have been looking to focus on so many different applications of the art uh... vr was uh... a part of uh... that the arcade the disney has on pleasure island area uh... you know it is long been uh... you know i mean the star trek experience at a virtual reality types and i mean that you know vr was thought to be kind of what would save the arcade you know the the idea that like i will move beyond these cabinets and have these new bigger experiences and everything uh... it's vr's heart i mean what else can you say what when you're talking about like anyway ten years ago it reminds me of something that uh... is making the news now when you can't spell vr without the r from heart or the b uh... well thank you justin robert young as always uh... what you got going on to tell people about all man if you are here in austin texas either because you live here or because you are visiting this fine city for the south by southwest conference during interactive weekend then boy howdy do we got uh... some fun for you on saturday two o'clock it starts five o'clock it ends uh... it is the live 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the category go down by the same amount so the more popular a beer is the higher the price goes well those not being ordered continue to fall if you're a fan of stable beers like miller like but like alone start don't worry for the prices of those beer stay the same okay but uh... in other words diesel beers or a blue chip beers yeah exactly in that amazing keeping up with the fluctuating beer prices that's easy and a little entertaining uh... i love this and i think i'm gonna keep on whatever the least popular trying to corner the market yeah i'm gonna drink but i might not sorry anytime look at this look at this that they actually have a live ticker right now that you can see what it was seventy five cents uh... upset all up so anchor old foghorn is now four seventy five down seventy five cents uh... uh... justin did did you know that uh... the gimmick of the bar that we're doing the bro exchange always uh... the variable price yeah exactly yeah everything is live as a matter of that there's a lot of things i don't know the beer numbers yet we're getting drunk slow marketplace joe i get it i'm making jokes now make jokes about market place all the best people i work with mm-hmm it's a collection yeah you're you're a farm system i'm like their pokémon uh... in all seriousness jenny this is a very very exciting opportunity now it's fantastic thank you i'm super nervous about it it's gonna be great oh yeah you don't need to be nervous doseki samber up twenty five cents yellow armadillo down twenty five cents at four seventy five boulevard wheat five twenty five up fifty cents so then there's a closing bell with the bar quote there is i don't have so much fun not too late to fly out you know it's so tempting believe me but i've just been gone for seven days and if i miss another weekend here my husband's going to like evaporate i don't know well now that's it's dreadful he's been working fifteen hour days six days a week and he's just toast so i gotta be here to like pick up the slack understandable but next year i'm gonna make it my mission oh doctor pain points out that uh... that down is green and up is read on their ticket oh right because that makes sense because you want the price to go down right that's really great that hurts my head are you gonna be around tomorrow jenny yeah i will be for sure in fact i'll be roger's going to do a lot of the like stuff because uh... he's we're training not that he really needs training but we're he's gonna be a charge we'll see how much i don't screw up sleeping baby also uh... yeah our show has a baby what is your show it's got two babies there so can can we do the same process for the way file tomorrow yet for roger okay sure sure so roger brian can tell we can send you a link once we're off air but there's a there's a place where you can download the way okay i just recorded it here too just in case okay oh that's great you got you got out of your hijack around yes uh... but uh... i don't know i'm not sure if i set it up correctly i would still recommend brian do it so you don't get like some weird pop up at saying you know buy more roses as you guys all talking justin yeah so what's your schedule tomorrow like like are you just going to be at the house until the show or well wait say it again yeah i'm just hanging out do you want to uh... the session i can i can probably walk you in as my you know i'm i'm gonna want to get this stuff as uh... uh... what i'll do is we'll just do the normal thing where we talk in slack and you you can pick a topic that moves you i'll give you some options and then and when i say i i really mean roger uh... but uh... uh... we'll we'll just handle it like normal all some parts you guys will fill out the dock and everything and then i'm not sure in and high if i may stick the soul gas that we don't need to worry about anything but i think i'm not sure what's going on with the other guest so we'll just see how it plays we'll see how it works out but if it's if it is i may we should pick like a science fun thing maybe that you can yeah uh... uh... door i guess we could talk after that the show i was just curious to know like am i picking the stories then or do you do what you normally do which is uh... like put them all in for consideration and then just pick use tom's uh... magical algorithm to pick like the obvious topics right and then just holler at me when you need help like on the baby front or whatever i'm here i'll be the youth and then not just put him in and then justin can sort of chime in and and pick what he likes to but i i i agree uh... i may uh... it'll be best if we can get something science year tech science expert yeah and then otherwise i mean i think even if our other guest comes to fruition uh... tech science would be the way would be right on target yeah uh... also i think uh... get him or her just out here and i'll drive him or her back their place after possibility i was thinking about dark matter and dark energy that might be a fun one but uh... i don't know if there's anything in the news would justify it think about uh... three d virtual display but like that for for him a uh... maybe in that space that voice recognition thing for physical wiki thing follow up on that'd be cool that's probably got ideas too i don't know what that we should ask him well somebody a lot of case so for me because that is okay good joined together to solve it yet we're uh... uh... we're on track to have a big uh... uh... uh... team field outing uh... and in building exercise that was tight was it's yeah yeah i don't know it's gonna be yet another legendarily impaired late night stream that i can watch because that's a highlight of my first year at daily tech uh... we uh... arranged i was like this is my boss they ever a rain in order is it normally happens after the after the party after the party uh... and then posting so would i just write the uh... the deck for that too uh... which deck the one for tomorrow yet it definitely i write into the the hangout as the description and then you can get in the blog all deck by deck you mean short little blurb okay sorry uh... i don't know for for a printing press in the eighteen hundred so deck to me means uh... i have to convince you of something and i put together uh... yeah that's a lot of let me show you the numbers on this deck i lean always has to put together dex we need to show the data i need a deck who's publishing right now right yes can i just say like how cool our audience is today like they're just the coolest they are fantastic they're not yet every day cool they are every day cool but sometimes they like rise above and beyond every day cool into the realm of super support of the awesome and i think that he is trying to say is that you know little nervous about how people would receive through her gig and it has been awesome all we're happy i would imagine i would expect nothing less that's wonderful man it's it what a difference two years makes like uh... i i remember trying to post this last year that's up by southwest and being all nervous like i'm gonna do something wrong habits habits our habits he this is proper this right here is what we need to use our intelligence for is to figure out which always sunny in philadelphia most popular based on and who's in them apparently there's a good uh... highest i am dv ratings for episodes featuring only mac denis d and frank can you put a deck together about that no wow charlie mac denis and frank wow so that that's interesting because charlie you know really certainly the one that is uh... broken out more as i think for sure in the public i mean well i mean like any is the most you got you know horrible bosses and you know he's he's done he was in uh... civic ram civic ram he hosted serenade live yet like that was so weird when he did that i like when he hosted serenade that one he did yet it's crazy when was it it was like a couple years ago uh... yeah no it was uh... i think with horrible bosses it was so like that's a very like loren michael's guest every once in a while they happen it's interesting while speaking of uh... uh... uh... to go back to something that happened uh... minutes ago and is not connected yet since until i'm randomly bring it up and transition uh... patrick beija used to control minister of european press right for blizzard just a real poop show for them with this heart so that's uh... expansion oh yeah had a leaked article with that uh... was embargoed that just kind of spills all the beans and and and to be clear to people what what jay just as pointing out if you don't already realizes just as that patrick beija does not work does not work there now lacking the beige uh... and lacking the beige uh... but yeah no like this is what i mean and and they had to have uh... this is what leaked today on on reddit uh... but these are like all pictures and interviews with people that like i'm sure that they did in the end of my yeah uh... a while ago but some spanish so that's not that's not been announced that's just leaked material that's that's a a a article that was i didn't realize that when you said that was uh... that outlet is a press outlet that will no longer be getting uh... oh they will not uh... blizzard invitations but then also they hired some jabroni uh... of mural painting service in brooklyn that was that the but the name of the expansion got out yesterday because somebody just painting whispers of the old gods in brooklyn was like getting a jump on his gig who knows man this needs to be done by the release date so i think it's hard to say in some bodies somebody's napping on the job this is interesting i i mean i guess that's one of those things where it's like you you pay extra for people to shut the hell up you know it's like uh... that's that's worth something yeah that's what i've been anglin for all these years is to tell you shut everyone up to be able to pay me to shut up i'm talking as much as i can now it's it i mean and blizzard has been trying to be more transparent so this is the kind of thing that could eventually make them back off on that queue it up oh dude just jump right in huh queue it up alright let me do so we got uh... breaking news here uh... we have special reports uh... let me just go to jump up this justin justin yeah because his name is justin that's why it's funny i don't know wait for it to break it's important it's breaking in slow motion a little bit yeah no say it's developing developing this justin forty seven views still time to say first in the comments uh... let's do this and then they have it guys break yourself touchy tim from upper management we're joining us today not touchy tim i don't know if it's a shit and he's all touchy feely on me uh... hey guys it's me touchy tim hi grodan good to see you lovely to see you mark always a pleasure and uh... touchy tim ahhh not again oh language yeah you made it you want me to keep later or not no i'm not familiar with these rules oh because we're still on we're still on the youtube and downloadable video versions of dtns gotcha alright well sorry touchy tim we'll have to watch you later watch you later touchy tim he looks very upset about that he's not happy the touching adventures of touchy tim ellie hi look i haven't seen ellie in so long she looks just like you roger fracking news her face is perfectly roundly grumpy you just got this perfect downturned i'm sorry i shouldn't talk about you ellie i think you're beautiful and lovely and i'm gonna miss you most of all second most of all oh wow look at this u.s. blaming iran for cyber attack on small new york and cnn cnn broke that early before it was actually for real so they finally said it you know it's still free the obama administration is planning i guess i was a little bit more than a publicly blame iranian hackers for a twenty thirteen cyber attack against a small dam in new york state uh... from the resources familiar with matter-told writers writers writers confirming the cnn report got it uh... kid okay we're published well let it go eat some oysters i actually knocked it out of the trash can it was good it was so not satisfying is it going to slip to them just kind of half way to have on there and i was like yeah don't uh... right well thank you everyone uh... tomorrow like i said just a rubber young lamp route uh... jenny josephson roger chang i make our cia uh... and possibly get other guests possibly and now is when i would normally press the stop broadcast but but i have to wait for brian of like it's not great to do that uh... that's good it works by guys uh... do that but