Welcome back to the Zeldin for a podcast episode number 20. That's right. We made it to a nice round even number of 20 This week. We have a jam-packed podcast a lot of awesome topics to get to But this is also kind of a special occasion because it's the first podcast. We've ever had five total people on Now as most of you guys might be aware Mr. Daren is with us who's our managing editor back And he's never on video never internet sucks, so if you're watching this on YouTube He will be the one voice that talks and like when none of the rest of us are talking that's there I'm the voice from above the voice from above as I call it on the Nintendo Prime podcast But that's a different story for a different time We have our regular co-host with us Alfred. That is me the man with the beard We have one of our video Specialist mr. Daniel. Thanks for having me back And speaking of video we have probably one of our favorite youtubers mr. Game over Jesse. Thank you It's a pleasure being on here for the first time Yeah, welcome welcome welcome. All right, so This week is very very interesting We have Three really good news topics to get through and it's kind of like more NX stuff because rumors just keep happening Nintendo just needs to unveil the thing sandwich between two really interesting Zelda things so the first time we're going to start with is speed running It's not so much that I want to sit here and talk about you know the you know the values of speed running all the different types of speed running that happen in the zone they're up. It's more so because A group of speed runners discovered a brand new way to beat a boss in the wind waker So if you haven't seen the story Essentially what are their names again? I don't remember which group this is Bobby did not put their names in the post so that's always good. Wow So fish underscore waffle 64 is the name of the youtuber who who put up the video and they discovered Glitch in the boss battle in the forbidden woods Actually, I believe it's not a final boss. What's the name of that final boss? Demo's or something. Yes. It's yeah. Yeah, Cal demos. So apparently you see I use the boomerang And you knock it down. Well after you do that the first time and you go up to hit the middle part If you just dump some forest water on the boss it instantly dies. He's done Now is that a glitch or an Easter egg though? Right, it's that's true. You would assume a glitch, but who knows I heard it wasn't actually faster though Yeah, see I don't know what the normal speedrun method is to kill it It's apparently like three frames longer to do that method. It is. Yeah. Yeah, but um Obviously, you know, I'm the mess in here It's a that necessarily talk about the value of speed running and whether or not this glitch is gonna make a difference It might not make any difference for speedrun. It's a cool Easter egg nonetheless But I mean what is it? We are 13 years removed from this game releasing and We just discovered a new glitch or is this in the HD remake too? Yeah, it's in both versions Okay, it's in both. It is. Yeah, I didn't confirm it in the HD So yeah, that's uh, it's crazy and the fact that it's still in the HD version is even crazier Maybe it's because it wasn't discovered before that was made so they didn't patch it You know, they didn't know I mean it could be intentional But I mean, yeah, I would think that it was intentional even if it's a glitch Nintendo like Wouldn't patch it because with the ocarina of time 3d. They left in a lot of the glitches and they knew about them Yeah, a lot of the glitches. So yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, so I just think it's just really cool that you know This new glitch or intentional thing has just been discovered 13 years after the fact. It's super cool I mean, who would even think hey, let me just pour some water on this bad boy Yeah, I wonder what he was doing when he figured that out or if it was just like an accident, right? Yeah Oh, dude, hit the wrong button. Oh, hey, we went wrong bottle. It's kind of like the whole question of like It's like the same question of who was the one that discovered drinking milk for my cow What was he doing when he got the milk? What was this person doing when they were dumping water on a boss? Yeah, right? Right Not that they were like drinking milk from a cow while they were dumping water on the boss They weren't but maybe they were I don't know that we don't know man You weren't there man Of course So that's kind of really all I just want to kind of bring that up because that was just a really neat thing And you know as you know, I always like to start the selling for a podcast with something Zelda related And that just felt kind of appropriate because we don't we don't bring up the speedrunning community very often We don't talk about glitches and Zelda games very often So yeah, hey congrats on the find If you guys out there any of our listeners discover what they feel is a new glitch feel free decided to us at podcasts It's all the former calm. Maybe we'll talk about it and feature it, but you will get no money You will get no money just to talk about in a mention. Yeah, um You'll be popular for about a week For a week see if in the other websites pick up on the store thousands of people will know your name Yeah, so let's get into some juicy stuff. We have a new new batch of index rumors That supposedly come from a large retail partner with Nintendo So this would suggest there was obviously either behind closed doors meeting between retailers and Nintendo Which was kind of speculated on in the past, but we never heard anything about it after it happened and It the reason that it's kind of gotten traction is because a moderator on the official NX subreddit Apparently went through the approval process for this rumor now they He claims the person's name is or he or she claims the person's screen name is flap Snapple I claim that they have a really rigorous Verification process so they haven't really verified Too many NX rumors. In fact, they haven't I think it's been like several several several months since last time They do not screw around I am in the discord chat for the NX subreddit And they do not screw around if you yeah give like any false information. I think they will ban you Well, it in you know, I kind of likened it to NeoGaff because it's the same thing there if you falsify shit, you're out You're down Yeah, so that's why this is kind of gained traction because this wasn't a random person This is a moderator of the place who has who has gone through the process of verifying all this information ahead of time So take that for what you will whether or not you want to believe it or not we at this point We really don't know what to believe But there's a lot of interesting stuff in here So the this person does know they rewrote some things to not make it obvious like which retailer this might have came from Well, you know, it's GameStop or EV games, which is like the same company now Walmart, etc So here's kind of the details. It's in four sections So one of them is marketing one of the messages for the NX at release is going to be interact with your game on the go And it was seen on a poster Whether or not that's a poster that would be at retail or whether or not there was just an advertisement They had at whatever this event was We don't know There's apparently strong Co-branding effort with the Mario launch title on many posters so for starters first time we've had any confirmation of a Mario launch title Well, there was one rumor about a Mario launch Yeah, yeah, so second time Yeah, second time. This is just I Don't know more is more solid. Yeah. Yeah, like I Again, it's all rumors and speculations. So we don't even know I mean even the guy who posted Flapsnap what doesn't 100% know all all He claims to know is that he verified who this person is This person does work at said retailer. He claims to work at Whether or not the information is legit from that point on Yeah, who knows the guy could still be just making stuff up so Another part of the marketing says the console is currently set to launch with at least four titles on deck a lot of People focused on only four games. It says at least four so there could be more than four Well, we already know breath breath of the wilds one Just dance is supposed to launch with it. I'm betting I'm not well I don't know if it'd be a good idea to you and I don't know if it will be but we know that at least So the new Sonic game is confirmed for the NX But I don't ever want to see a Sonic launch title ever again Like okay, I'm okay if it's like what is all that was it sonic lost worlds and we yeah Like that game was decent if that was the kind of game they launched with that's not that bad Did they look was sonic lost worlds a launch title for the Wii U? No, no, okay? Yeah? I just don't they say you don't trust them a good. Yeah, I don't after Sonic of 6 They never they should never do another launch title ever again Just what if it's like colors and generations like they clean those weren't launch titles I know and the new and I don't think yes is getting like like my kind of thing is I don't think being a launch title Is anything to do with whether or not it's good. Well, they tend to over like Over they have like a no-man sky syndrome, but they don't promise it until it happens And so then they like rush it really quickly and I could see because they have what two two big Sonic games In production. I don't really call it sonic mania. I can see them being more like a summer release Like maybe maybe like the bigger the higher budget one ends up being the colony or something It seems to me like I remember it like we haven't seen a lot of those quarter four Wasn't it like the fourth quarter of 2017? Yeah, well the one for sure that they didn't reveal any gameplay for that's definitely a Q4 Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So we're talking about mania. Are we talking about project sonic? No project sonic is what I'm talking about. Okay. Yeah project sonic's the one we only saw like a piece of art We saw the the short. Yeah, it was a little CGI short Sonic and classic So anyways Four titles on deck supposedly obviously if the you know, they're hinting that one of them So obviously Mario at launch with no birth of the Wilds one Whether or not these are for Nintendo titles don't know You know just dance is supposed to be that launch because it's supposed to be the previous year's version so this year's version of just dance and then Whatever else you'll be soft claim. They're making more games in the system. They might have another game at launch zombie you too Yeah, no, I was just thinking about you be soft where I mean and Nintendo don't you know, they supposedly Didn't officially delay, but maybe internally delayed the annex to when they did in March So they can have more games. So it's in theory Nintendo might even have more Because you know what I hear when I hear Mario and I hear Zelda where's their game for moms and dads? But we have heard rumors that they're like we're going though We know are we sports or a cooking mama or some kind of title that you know Especially if it's a handheld that appeals to like a more broader spectrum audience Yeah, but they I've there are rumors that they're going back towards more of a hardcore fan base So I don't know if we're gonna see games like that at launch Well, we'll see and one thing to keep in mind that that could be a smart strategy too Because early adopters aren't gonna be people like that anyways doctors get it off word of mouth. So We'll see Well, we'll see what happens. Obviously, we don't actually know what the annex is Let's get through the rest of these rumors here. Yeah So the marketing says that stores will be receiving demo units around February So, you know around then people can actually go out and demo the system Which that's good that would kind of make sure the annex is on target for March if they obviously have demo units public This is one interesting point the base price point Seems to be sitting at two hundred ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents That is a little more than I think people expected. Yeah, what was the we use launch base price? 299 and 350 see, okay Yeah, 350 originally got you the deluxe version and then whenever they cut out the standard version the deluxe price fell to Still have the standard version Here's the thing I'm I'll pay that I'm going to get an annex. Hopefully they won't if it's if the annex is I'm gonna get it Breath of the wild is like a definitive version down there. I'm guaranteed the annex is day one I don't care if it was 800 bucks. I'm buying it day one. Oh, yeah This is all the version. I don't care. I just built the $1,700 computer. I'll go return to parts I'll die. I don't I don't need the GPU. I don't need this graphics card Like an awesome, you know 1080p 60 FPS Six stream going on with a 1080p camera like you want all this great Who needs an internal fan when you have a Wii U and then I have a water cooler I'm just gonna open the case and blow on it manually on the CPU. Yeah No, so that that's a very interesting price point But there's another port to this price point that that is interesting because that's not the only Apparently a version that will release so there'll be a 299 bundle. I'm sorry 299 just a regular NX version don't know if there's any games with that standard version as you would call it But apparently there's a bundle per version that is sitting at 399.99 Breath of the wild for that and it says the contents of this bundle is currently unknown So obviously if Mario's launch title could be Mario bundle could be a Zelda bundle because you know Breath of the wild is reportedly the most expensive game. They've ever made So, you know, if it's a hundred dollars more you would assume that it's not just You know the breath of the wild game. Maybe it's all three amiibo. You also get with it It's got to be something that yeah, I would help the game and the amiibo. I would snap that up so quick Oh, yeah, yeah, and we don't know what the amiibo is gonna even cost I can imagine that that Guardian amiibo There's no way they're selling that for $13. I think it's huge Well, it'll probably be the it's like a $20 or $25. Isn't it also the only amiibo that actually has movable parts. Yeah And the link amiibo with a horse doesn't run into trees I'm hoping before we move on sure I'm hoping that the bundle comes with how The Wii U had its own gamepad that had the Zelda logo on it and then obviously there's always the 3ds Special editions that have what I hope the spine stuff. I hope this bundle has Mario and Zelda in it Yeah, and the second controller and Well, if you need a second control, I don't yeah, that's gonna be interesting I don't know if the Mario games gonna be multiplayer But if it is it would be nice to have a second controller in there I hope it's not local multiplayer because Mario games need that Yeah, well the best if it's like a Mario Galaxy type game I don't really need someone collecting stars while I play. Well, that's true. I Mean that I know that's the way they did it with Galaxy one and two, but again I didn't that the really really one person's playing the game. So I don't know if we've have we even talked about the posset like what their second controller is gonna be If they're sticking with the screen like the We briefly mentioned it before in a previous rumor how that's not gonna be the main like the Detachable controllers won't be actually the main controller input. That's just around the go. Okay. Okay That's what that's a rumor. That's out there right now that there's gonna be included like an actual controller So that's if you don't know we don't know what it looks like. I don't know if it's standard We have no no idea could could be remote 2.0 for all we know we have no idea But if it's battery life is as good as the Wii U pro controllers, I'll be a happy No, they should just like rebrand the Wii U pro controller or do that. I think that's a great controller I mean it could use some better shoulder buttons, but that's what I don't really have any other criticism of that controller Yeah, but yeah, that's to the analog stick being the problem. I have with this price point though Just to kind of get back into the whole price is that if this is primarily a handheld unit the 3ds already proved It could sell at 250 So Are they really just baking on the fact that this is a hybrid so like console gamers are gonna see it as a value When console gamers might view it as hey for 399 or for 299 we could be getting a PlayStation 4 Pro or whatever. No, that's just a slim Pro is a bit higher, but if they hire was this 399. It might be 399. I think so Yeah, okay, but then you look at the bundle price. That's I know so it's kind of like Yeah, you get these awesome games with it But you can go get a PS pro that is 10 times more powerful on those 4k gaming I always thought the best way Nintendo could market the NX if it is this hybrid to where you could call it a handheld or home console is How at e3 xbox came out and said project Scorpio is going to be the most powerful Console ever if they took that same initiative and said this is going to be the most powerful handheld to ever exist Okay, so I did that with the beta Yeah, but if they did that and then said that it is like a secondary Home console to where you can plug it into the TV as like a secondary function Mm-hmm I think that would be the perfect way for them to market it without people getting too confused on what exactly I feel the console gamers would be like oh We're taking a backseat this generation because it's primarily handheld, but you can plug it in Primarily handheld and for that price we can get something more powerful from the kind I think I think how Nintendo conveys the NX will be the death or the life of this thing Because if they don't convey it well, then it's not gonna fly and they have not been Doing lately Ever at all with the NX me at least like the Xbox one It had a really bad messaging at the start and now the messaging is good Well, but they listen to the fans and fixed everything. Well, and they put a guy in charge who knows what the hell he's doing Yeah, I don't know why he wasn't in charge before the launch that the whole launch best would have ever happened But yeah, it's kind of interesting to me because it seems like 19999 is the sweet spot for handheld gaming to get for it to go to a map like a mass market price Because they did that with the 3ds. It's been staying there. Yeah, I mean, you know You can get the normal 3ds a little cheaper now like 170 180, but you know the XL is the best selling system now And that's 19999 generally New 3ds XL even sells for right around that price. You can easily find sales for it at that price So I'm kind of concerned that even if their focus is going after hardcore gamers hardcore gamers don't care as much about handheld gaming as they do about console gaming and The appeal of handheld gaming is more of a mass market blue ocean appeals to kids appeals to you know Some people in college appeals to teenagers who are just a better experience of what they get on their phones That's the problem. I want to play their Pokemon. I want to play their What if that's the problem with a hybrid console because you need to make it feel like the console gamers aren't taking a back seat And are being limited because they have to develop it so it can be played on the go I mean the only the only thing that I feel or this price point would work is if they look We're selling this thing at 299, but guess what it is Like terrible, you know, I know they hate talking about specs But if they can say look, this is a PlayStation 4, but you could take it with you that would sell Yeah, I mean, I don't know how they're gonna do that in a handheld I'm like what does it have to deal with having a screen or detachable controllers or you know all this stuff that I think What they're what they're banking on is the fact that everybody's already got those consoles Yeah, but why would they want this? No, I know, but I think that that's what they're thinking is it's like Oh, hey, they've already got you know the ps4 and the Xbox one and They so they can buy the NX when it comes out sure in March, but here's the thing One of the things that I look no, I'm sorry Alfred you can go on The thing that I was looking at with that price point and others really doesn't make sense But what if the fact that what if the 299 99 isn't The hybrid what if that's just the home console and the 399 99 is the hybrid with the doc Yeah, with the doc and the doc has extra processing that brings it Yeah, that's been something because they had a patent for Like, you know attaching like things by your TV to get more processing power We don't obviously know that hasn't been any the only rumors with the doc has been like to like it has two USB ports on it or whatever. Well, I'm just imagining that like there is a Kind of this is a terrible example But I imagine it kind of like the steam link To where you have something that can just plug into the TV. That's just a console in and of itself But then the 399 99 is the handheld and the plug-in for the TV So you get both of those well then it better It better be a pretty good handheld like it better be really really powerful like we're sure buddy that's a bit If you're selling at the same price point and I know that I don't want to say oh We don't compete with the Xbox one place is your bottom line If you're if you're targeting this at a premium price point, which 299 and 399 feels like a premium price point to me That's not mass market. Yeah, if you're targeting that that means you're targeting hardcore gamers and hardcore gamers Already can get really really good stuff for those prices. So you to entice them. It has to match them and You know, I don't have to match the Scorpio Scorpio is probably gonna be like 500 But yeah, it needs to be at least ps4 if not slightly better than the PlayStation 4 and on the go And that's the only way I think they have a shot to even convince hardcore gamers to hop on board But here's the problem. What if the Scorpio comes out and is like 399 99? Well, the technical worry about that And then they might have to do they might have to do a price drop of the holiday and then do another ambassador program for Everyone who bought it at launch. Yeah, I mean they did it with 3ds. So it's not like 3ds 3ds had more of a reason to considering there were no launch games that were really good, but I mean at 399 That that's the pricing of the pre the place is your program. Yeah, I know. Yeah, so let me check on that You know, and there's been rumors that the annex can do like the 4k Netflix and stuff But place issue for it could do like 4k native gaming if you have 399 if developers want to do it And it's it's one terabyte hard drive to for this place. They should now granted Nintendo could save money on that by going cartridges not needing that huge hard drive Which this rumor does state that it uses cartridges, right? Yeah. Yes, this rumor does say that later So getting back to the rumor that it next part is packaging It said the package for the annex will be slightly larger than the we use package which again That kind of supports me with the docs included with it. Maybe there's just more stuff in the box Because the Wii U box seems pretty big for a handheld. Yeah But again, if it comes with all the accessories and the extra controllers stuff, maybe they just need that big of a box The packaging is relatively clean and simple, which that's what Nintendo has done for a while. I think since And 64 days last time they had like a really wild box. Yeah. Yeah, yeah As far as I can know the game game game was pretty yeah, the game cube was pretty plain Yeah, then the Wii was just bare bones I mean they had some bundles with GameCube that had some stuff But like there's the launch-based GameCube package was like great That's better less is more in my opinion, you know, like sure I'm okay with the simple designs as long as it cleanly conveys what it is exactly like the Wii U boxes that did not convey What are we you? That's true The color scheme for the packaging. This is really weird because you know what Nintendo's went with like this whole red theme lately This rumor says the packaging is white and blue which is Like Wii U and Wii color scheme. Yeah, which worries me That is that is weird, but again, we don't know if these rumors are true So you know take all this with a grain of salt the packaging apparently still says NX You know, this was just at that event grant They have not unveiled the thing yet, so they probably don't want you know if it's not going to be annex I'm not gonna have the name of it at an event where I can leak out However, there's still no indication if this was a placeholder or if it's the final name The areas of the packaging that would usually depict the hardware happened to be blurred out and redacted by Nintendo in order to keep it Bad idea, but okay It I could see it being a good idea for the fact if this was just like a meeting with them with Marketing people at various retailers. I could see how you're like. Yeah, we we haven't unveiled this yet But we'd know if we tell you Picture people are gonna like sneak a phone picture and it's gonna get out Yes, so did they tell them the specs for it or did they just say there? There there's no there there is officially no specs in these okay So nobody know I'm in like the people that were there. Do we know if we have no idea? This is all we know, okay? We don't even know if this happened. This is still just a rumor. It's here to say So beyond that we get to the features and specs and it's mostly just features But there are some interesting spec notes for starters games will be in cartridges That's been an ongoing rumor since NX rumors basically started. Yeah There was there was a redacted part of the rumor That he I don't know why the mile included it when he ended up taking it away because I said they hadn't completed verification on it Which again, you could maybe use that as a big red flag for all these rumors because originally included something that they didn't verify But anyways, that's been redacted.  Okay So it says here that 4k streaming has been mentioned again, you know It makes a lot of sense that there's no way you release a device in 2017 I can't do Netflix at 4k. It's just not gonna happen. Yeah Unless it's the phone that only has like a 1080p screen, but it's a phone. You don't need 4k But on a console like I mean especially now Although although Netflix doesn't let me stream 4k and my 4k monitors right now on my PC and that upsets me Netflix you need to get on that. I don't know why I could get a better picture quality on the same resolution screen But bigger. I don't get it. Anyways What this likely means is obviously a playback of content such as Netflix, etc. Not gameplay related There was no mention of 4k with games. It doesn't mean there won't be 4k with games But that was not talked about at all at whatever event this was The target apparently is for all games to be 1080p at 60 FPS Which is amazing. That's actually a piece of that's actually something they're using in marketing Which would be which this is weird because Nintendo doesn't tell specs and doesn't tell capabilities So targeting 1080p 60 FPS and actually using it as a marketing message seems a bit of a bit odd to me because it That seems like something Sony or Microsoft would do well That's weird though because that's such a standard thing now. It's not standard. Well, I mean like it's standard for PC gamers That's the PlayStation 4 and Xbox one. It is not standard at all Yes, that's my opinion. It should be it should be standard. But here's the thing You can't enforce 1080p 60 FPS besides on your internal games PlayStation 4 and the Xbox one alone not the slims and all stuff those consoles can do 1080p 60 FPS The developers don't do it because they want to push prettier graphics and more particle effects and more physics And to do that they can't hit 60 FPS. They can't always hit 1080p. Well, some some of the in-house games do though Sure sure some of them. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not saying okay I don't mean to say like none of the games do 1080p 60 the Wii U can do 1080p 60 We have games and do it on the Wii U. Yes Yeah, I don't see a game as detailed as Say the Witcher or whatever the next big Call of Duty battlefield game is running at 1080p and 60 frames a second on If it's Call of Duty, I think they'll target 60, but you're not yeah, but with Nintendo games You can only put so much detail into Mario before you just start looking weird Well depends on the particle effects and the physics and all that stuff they do too art direction because they could you know Like Mario Galaxy might be a lot more intensive than saying 3D world. Yeah, this is the realest looking Mario You will ever see I don't think you need to see his mustache hairs wave in the way. That's really what I was thinking about Honestly, can we just acknowledge how blue Mario's eyes are and like every marketing material for Mario in the past Like year or so his eyes are the that is a blue. They're using for NX. Yes So obviously we don't really know what 1080p 60 FPS means because Nintendo's already been doing that with a pretty good chunk of their Wii U games so In theory if this is there with their targeting in their marketing message that would suggest that hey This is pretty close to like a PlayStation 4 level like we could do modern games at 1080p 60 We're not gonna go beyond that At least not this time they could announce that it's gonna be iterative console that in two or three years Is gonna have a new version and that could target 4k or something, but Which at this point everyone else is doing it so if Nintendo doesn't do it, then they're really gonna fall behind Yeah, um on that subject I know it's might be a bit off topic But I was having a similar discussion the other day to where if Nintendo does release this as the handheld that can Doc on to the docking station and get a little bit more powerful with Say the Nintendo 64 for example because back in the Super Nintendo days They would put the extra processing power inside the game itself But whenever they came out with the Nintendo 64 They had it where you could just swap out the RAM and then it wasn't individual games that had the chip inside of it You just needed to pay more for the extra RAM and then whatever games required it would use it That goes into their patent for the plug-in plug-and-play peripheral Yeah, so with like they could they could release instead of replacing your annex unit at least for a couple generations It could just be hey get a new docking station exactly Yeah, like in say two to three years they could come out with one a docking station that would make it twice as powerful Yeah, you want 4k I mean and it'd be really easy marketing because it's already become very easy at When you go to stores being able to recognize what's 1080p? What's 4k and if they just throw a 4k on the box, you know as a peripheral thing people are gonna get that Yeah, and then instead of having to pay the $400 to get the entire system You just have to pay the extra 150 or 200 to get the more powerful processing unit and then you could presumably Even trade in your old docking station to get sure like $50 off or something yeah at game stop So they they note here Well, I don't know if I'd actually trade in the docking station because if the docking station is literally drop the console in and go Or drop the annexing and go. I have more than one TV in the house. I want a docking station every TV I'm going to bed.  Maybe I'm downstairs in my office I'm playing the breath of the wild on my monitor. Oh, yeah, but I'm gonna play it everywhere But so so to kind of further go get in this the 1080p 60 is supposedly in relation to gameplay on the console portion So again targeting your TV the handheld portion apparently is going to be Possibly targeting 900p. It's unconfirmed. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 720p instead of 900p But I definitely would not be thinking 1080p on the handheld portion. Yeah, that would be so expensive And there's no reason to really do I know like a lot of our phones and our phones look really nice and everything but For gaming purposes, you don't necessarily need to have that on that small of a screen Yeah, like some certain cell phones have like a six inch screen with the 4k resolution and it's like what? Oh, it's beautiful on it, too. Some of all all well all lead. Sorry. I'm I can't even say it out loud All lead screens On their phones and let me tell you they look absolutely fantastic They look yeah worth the extra money for me to have that not really now You know Eventually those screens will become you know cheaper and more mass market like the Vita had a version that had a OLED screen And it looked fantastic So that's kind of it that that's the whole batch of the rumors They claim that they have more rumors are sitting on but they haven't verified anything yet Which again is why I feel weird they released a rumor that they later had a redact Because it wasn't verified it. It's just really weird to me As I said that could be maybe the biggest red flag in all of it is the fact that they redacted part of the rumor They said it was from a second source though if you read the reddit post Yeah, yeah, it says a secondary source who had not yet completed verification. So then why was it included? Yeah, when they say they have other rumors. They're not including because they haven't verified it So it's kind of like why did you even throw that in with the batch then if you know It's just another reason to take this rumor with a grain of salt as with any rumor. Yeah Yeah, even going over to the Eurogamer stuff where even the whole thought process of being a hybrid like it seems pretty set in stone That's what it is, but we don't really know You know the only people that would are either developers who have it or Nintendo. Yeah And I'm sure even the number of developers that have it is probably still really small I'm sure Ubisoft has it because they said they're working on some games for it So they must have a dev unit, but for all we know no one from Ubisoft has said anything And a lot of other people have just said they're excited by the concept publicly But they didn't like sound like they actually had a dev unit in the hand to know I would imagine there were like if it's more powerful enough will include it Well, you would know if it's powerful enough if you have a dev unit. Yeah, I would imagine Nintendo did something like To the developers that they may not trust as much they would give them a Target see what the specs would reach and say yeah, try to make it run on hardware similar to this because that's what we're aiming for And then later on they would a lot of the what a lot of the rumors started when the supposed SDK was released Which is not that's not a dev unit You know, that's just a kit that you can put on a computer and it kind of gives you an idea What the code base is gonna be like what the harbor is gonna be like etc like what you can expect So you can kind of tailor your games to it without actually having a dev unit But again, even the SDK stuff is all rumors. We have no idea It's October. It's supposed to be released and then like what five months. Yeah, yep so We're less than any day now apparently there might be like units in February in stores Is that the first time I'm gonna see what the NX is? Yeah I'm gonna show up a game stop and what's this thing next to the Wii U? Oh, that's an NX Thanks, Nintendo for letting me know I would have been in the store before you sent out you sent out retail units for demos before you even unveiled the thing To be fair, I think the general audience went into a game stopper Walmart and Seen the Wii U there and was like, oh, what's what kind of we's this? This controller right can I buy it? As long as the name has nothing to do with the Wii in it. They can anything is fine Yeah, but I'm pretty sure they've said the Xbox so This is just wild man, the next room was just keep flowing From Nintendo nothing from Nintendo outside of we are not gonna talk about it at this event Like there's still don't I mean, I guess you want to make people stop speculating But you know you do that I know it's when you are gonna talk about it Mm-hmm, I mean there's only you said you're talking about it this year There's only you know this month and two more to go not that hard to be like hey, this is the day We're doing it and then say like they can even say something like my my worst fear anything Announced until December or after the holiday season my worst fear is that they're just not even gonna release the system It's crap the entire idea Don't they're like crap everybody knows now the secrets out But like but like they don't know what the NX is so we're gonna scrap this delay it like a year or two and come up with something Realistic I'm scared like this is it's crazy It's supposed to be unveiled this year that didn't do it at E3 supposedly because they were scared of people copying them If the copying is the hybrid thing well the cat's already out of the bag So there's no reason to not talk about it I feel like that's really something that they would copy because Sony did that first Sony already tried it. It wasn't quite like it wasn't a single solitary system So you can argue that this might be a better concept for what Sony was doing. Yeah, that's not like a new concept. I Mean and you know you already have like it's not necessarily hard to make it appealing In terms of games because it's you just say look for the first time ever all Nintendo games one system I mean that's gonna be the big selling point is you get your Pokemon your fight Animal crossing plus your breath of the wilds plus your 3d Mario games plus, you know 2d and 3d Please I love you.  It doesn't matter it's NX everything comes in NX. Yeah, I don't know if you're going to be touching on this topic later, but Realistically I think later this month Nintendo supposed to be having their investors meeting and Other than the new Pokemon coming out the NES classic or the Famicom classic and The new Paper Mario that just came out that everyone's loving they don't really have much to go over games so maybe I Think they may touch on the NX or say we have something planned and just mention it and passing But they won't say they're gonna do like like last what the last investors meeting That's when they said Hey, we're gonna announce it this year. Yeah, they said they were gonna It would come out in March next year was they won before that. Yeah, and I Think it was the new 3ds that was first talked about during an investors meeting Hey, don't forget they just announced that galaxy 3ds like a month ago. That's Target the other day. Oh boy Um So We're gonna kind of move out from the NX because at this point I feel like we're kind of beating a dead horse like there's some juicy stuff in here But we spent a lot of time talking about probably the juiciest part of it the price Yeah I was otherwise it's just more rumors that they're on top of the piles of rumors. We already have You know, maybe someday we could just do a full like discussion oriented on like if we ever find out When the NX is gonna be unveiled that'd be a good time to put together like a nice discussion on What we think might happen at that event and then go through the rumors that yeah Unless they have their own event plan. I think the only thing that's left for this year is the game Awards That'd be funny if they announced it if oh boy that is the only thing that we are Aware of for events, but Nintendo's probably unveiling this and like a director something Yeah, but you said but that's how they released breath of the wild for the first time Was that the game of the game awards? No, it was at E3. Really? Yeah, they showed it off at E3 They had a really small trailer E3 2014 Yeah, but they did First time they had first time they had game play and I'm like air-quoting over here Was that the game awards and it was a really bad showing because it's like this all this off-screen Like I don't know what like that would have been cool to start that way But like people want to see the game and You're not really showing us the game Yeah, it was Yeah, it is possible to I mean Nintendo. Oh, that'd be if what you said like Alfred I think you said earlier you think they're targeting a hardcore audience with this The game awards is the most hardcore of audiences there are So that's a good summer and that would be a huge get for Jeff Keely who runs up they'd be like dude We're getting a console unveiling at this thing. It's gonna steal the show And it's all I'm gonna be talking about Nintendo has a bigger presence than most any other Developed well, they were first it helps that um Reggie fees and may has like a really good right like a really good relationship with Jeff Keely yeah, and like he was first he's been personally involved with both game Awards so far like on the main panel for he hasn't even funding it to a little bit There was there was a room not the first one. There was a room with the second one that Nintendo That like all the members on the board like the groups in it help fund it So it's not just all out of one person's pocket. Yeah I think that'd be a mistake to drop it at game or so because that's December 1st. That's too late Well, it's all about timing At this point the PlayStation Pro is already gonna be out. It's already gonna be a thing VR already released You know the Scorpio is not going to probably really talked about until E3 next year I mean they could do an unveiling event like they did for the original Xbox before E3 And they just talked about the games and E3 who knows either way Scorpio is more So are going to dominate the second half of the year From December on forward there is nothing for news. It's just here's all the games mostly released in November No, we're just waiting for the next year to find out what else there is to talk about So December isn't really a bad time to talk about it when it's going to be coming out a few months later It's just a weird time to talk about it It's like if they can grab all the hype heading in the holidays being like hey Look, you know if you're still doing Christmas shopping if you haven't bought like that place You should probably just wait we have that but it's a handheld Yeah, you go pre-order it and then like go pay order now and that's like here crush Here's your present go pick it up in March. Honestly, I take that You put this in the we're gonna release special like Christmas cards that you know Are literally you go redeem it and you grab your next day one, you know, whatever these sites Honestly, I'd be site if I on Christmas morning I opened up as like an envelope and it's just like here's your pre-order for NX.  Yeah No, I wouldn't I wouldn't be upset about that You didn't get the bundle version you Well the bundle version was sold out This on my mother right now, I gotta eat I gotta eBay that bundle version But yeah, no, it's like, you know the more I think about it December doesn't seem as bad to announce it as I initially thought it's It's right. It's after all the major holiday like releases came out So it kind of it could own its own news cycle basically and a lot of people that Nintendo is kind of waiting So they can have their own news cycle and for that this month in December is all it's left this year Yeah, October, there's like nothing going on the VR just came out. That was it so From this point on the rest of October, they could own the news cycle But they might be afraid that if they announced in October, they own the news cycle until all the big games come out November and then people forget about it. Yeah, I think that's kind of why I think if mr The the late Satoru Iwata didn't pass away I think that it would have been revealed at E3 because that's just what he does Yeah, I think part of the reason why well two years ago, and I think it was 2015's E3 They said Iwata wasn't there because there was no new hardware to unveil Well, yeah, but we also discovered there was some other reasons. Yeah, obviously They just didn't want it like they didn't want it dominating the news But he didn't want it dominating so the real reason he's not there isn't necessary hardware. It's that he's It's his hardware really Like he knew he was gonna pass like he had that because all those were all these are new like interviews That come out saying that he knew like before E3 even happened that he wasn't gonna make it and was already making plans. Oh my god Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right No, it's okay, and as soon as you as soon as you said that like One of those, you know one of those super annoying video ads is playing on Zeldinform right now and as soon as you As soon as you said that wait for wait for all of a sudden the Zeldinform came on I'm just like I'm just like that's perfect timing. I gotta somehow fit that into the podcast Time to go get my copyrighted sound effects. So Nintendo claims our podcast Anyways, so let's just move on to the last topic that I had Produced stuff and this is just more The interesting discussion the creator of Dark Souls has stated that Zelda's not worthy or that Dark Souls isn't worthy if I compare to Zelda. Yeah, sorry You're about to make a lot of fanbases really mad. I got caught up in a lot of the fan chatter After we reported this as people saying that Zelda's not worthy to stand up to Dark Souls. So it kind of got my words mixed up So here's what he said. Here's what Hideki Miyazaki, I'm sorry if I butchered that set I said when I was a student the Legend of Zelda was truly monumental. So to be perfectly honest I feel deeply unworthy of the comparison the Legend of Zelda and Dark Souls are different games belonging to different genres and They are guided by different concepts of game design They don't need to aspire to the same ideals if there are similarities It's probably just from the fact that a Legend of Zelda Became a textbook for 3d action games Yeah, I think there's tons of developers that have been asked in interviews if they could work on any franchise what would it be and Tons of them have come out and said that they would love to work on the Zelda series. Well, Zelda's been inspiration for Yeah, like I like a lot. Yeah, like triple a developer developers and Got a war and yeah Like a quite literal just like 3d that game heroes Yeah, so It just just interesting. I mean you don't have to spend a lot of time on this topic But I just kind of wanted to talk about So haven't you guys even played Dark Souls? Barely barely Yeah, I'm sure for Darren. That's a big no and I want to but I have not yeah as I say I know you don't That's pretty much I beat the first Dark Souls Played Dark Souls 2 have not played Dark Souls 3 yet Yeah, I heard it's really good. I like personally. I like the Bloodborne series That's kind of the same vein. It's more faster paced. Yeah. Yeah, that's in the same vein Okay, well, I have while I haven't played Dark Souls I have watched the Game Grumps play Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 and You know the best way to experience games Yeah This is true But um, I must say that I do see a lot of Zelda in those games Whether it's because the developers took inspiration or whether it is because Zelda has become a textbook for 3d adventure games remains to be seen what I see often is that people a lot of fans Say that Dark Souls is what Zelda could have become if it had gone in a more hardcore difficulty route Versus the more casual try to appeal to everyone Well, like well, you say that but Zelda 2 was basically Dark Souls before Dark Souls. Yeah, it's a great game And it's sold really really well. It's kind of one of those I said something about this the other day on Zelda form something about the difficulty where it's kind of like Some people really really love difficult games and that's what Dark Souls is. It's a difficult game It's got more aspects to it than just a difficulty, but that's what people know it for It's difficult. It's not something your mom's gonna pick up and play unless she happens to love difficulty as well Which hey, I don't know your mom might be into that concept.  She is like my mom will play Wii sports. She's not gonna touch Dark Souls I can't even get her. I can't even get her to play Zelda. So And then you have Zelda which is easier. I mean just call it like it is all this is a pretty easy Like franchise overall once you get past the classic games You know Skyward Sword isn't that difficult Breath of the Wild demo actually to me was more difficult than most of the recent Zelda games I played I could disagree with you on the Skyward Sword part because the motion controls, but I know you love them So I'm just gonna but here's the thing here's the thing I watched someone live stream through it all they did was just waggle and randomly swing their arm around and they beat the game Like it you yeah, it's just like all the others all the games You can just mash a to win like you don't have to actually be good I think it's a little there's a little more to it than that There there is more to it, but I literally saw a guy beat the game just Randomly hitting yeah, he got electrocuted a lot Yeah, this and that but the game gives you so many recovery hearts and how many times did he die so many He died he died once against demise. Oh, yeah, that's that's hero mode this person wasn't my hero mode, of course But yeah, so I don't know obviously if this guy was sort of difficult, that's fine I think that's my place. Go ahead. Sorry. I think I was sort of arm around Yeah, I think I was sort of beautiful if you play it the way it's supposed to be like I love the combat in the game Then again, my favorite game is all the two and like it just doesn't compare difficulty wise so That's kind of the way I view it. It's kind of like Fans are getting it as Zelda branched off one way, but it could have branched to Dark Souls like that They could have been what this year I would agree with that actually because like honestly you look at the first two games I think like I love them both and If if it could have gone to a link to the past or if say someone just took those first two games Went to a game developer who's never played another Zelda game and said hey Here's the other one and two make a modern sequel to these games I could see it coming out as Dark Souls as dark and now I could also see it coming out as a link to the past or something So the question is so yeah, the question is because the creator said it's not worthy Is Dark Souls actually worthy of being compared to Zelda? Like is it in that same ballpark as like Zelda's a legendary franchise that set industry standards Like is Dark Souls at that level? Or sure. Yeah Sure. Yeah. Yeah, the best way I can answer this is If a game is compared to Zelda it's being compared by how great it is or Some of the inspiration it may have took from Zelda if something's being compared to Dark Souls It's usually just the difficulty. It's not whether the game is amazing or great or crappy It's just all this game is almost as hard as Dark Souls or this game is harder than Dark Souls I think I think Dark Souls is worthy of a comparison at a pure game level like It's a really really good franchise like consistently good even Dark Souls 2 which people are really divisive on how good it is It's still a really good game and I mean come on I know I love Zelda 2, but that's not the popular opinion of most I love Skyward Sword, it's not the popular, like Zelda has had its low moments with most of the fan base So it's not like Zelda Yeah, I would say well, no, no, no, I don't think Ocarina of Time Yeah, I don't think it's a long moment. Just No, there's no no no no no.  There's context to that. It's missing because the only game I the only game I actually think is bad is Phantom Hourglass I don't think any other Zelda game is bad. You are not a true Zelda fan. Oh, hey, whoa Yeah, Dara Dara and started the Phantom Hourglass. No, you know, I love Phantom Hourglass. I would say Skyward Phantom Hourglass. Just play Spirit Tracks It's just they took everything. Spirit Tracks is so much better. It's such a great game. Anyways, it's fine. Like you can like Phantom Hourglass is the most popular handheld game in terms of sales It's cool if you really love it. I have nothing against you. I just don't think like even forget a good Zelda game I just don't think it's a good game I think it had a couple really clever parts Like the part that a lot of people got stuck at where you got to close your through your DS and open it up To stamp the map like I thought that was really clever, but just there there's so much in that game I think just it's a bad game to sign but again, we're not here to talk to debate over what's good and what's bad Yeah, I think I think it's kind of like I kind of look at like this Zelda means more to gaming than Dark Souls does Yeah, but Dark Souls is At the same quality level that's all this like you look at Dark Souls 3 and then you look at Breath of the Wild I you know from what I have played I would say, you know, the quality is really on par between both games It's just two different directions. Yeah, now it's maybe And I kind of look at like this and this is where I can see where it maybe he doesn't feel it's worthy Breath of the Wild by a lot of media people at E3 the way that it was being covered is being viewed as a game That might be setting brand new standards for open-world games Dark Souls isn't looking like it's setting new standards for anything. No one's looking at it You are the new standard for X Y and Z like yeah, that's not the way it's viewed but Zelda is viewed that way So in that respect you could be like, okay Dark Souls will never be viewed as a game that might set the standard for the industry That doesn't mean it's not Amazing another way to look at it is say if Breath of the Wild was just cancelled and No other game And no other Zelda game was And then if Dark Siders 3 was shown off and then just cancelled and no other Dark Souls Game would the impact of Dark Souls not having the third game after being shown off and then no other game being made Similar to the franchise would that be even half of the impact that Breath of the Wild being cancelled and never Another Zelda game coming out Especially the impact I kind of look at it like this too Because obviously Dark Souls 3 is out so we know how good that game is that awesome game I haven't played it yet, but I I mean I like to I like Dark Souls Eventually I will get around to it the Breath of the Wilds Like like internet imprint from this past E3 was like bigger than any game in history So if that game coming off that kind of hype level got cancelled it would be devastating To many many people like how does that get cancelled? How does a game that literally own the internet? All summer just knock not ever released Not even you know if you could release the demo area if you don't want to finish the game like how does that not release? So I think and the fact that Zelda has been around for 30 years, so there's a long-standing history And part of that history is you know like setting industry standards It would be it would be a more devastating thing because Dark Souls is a newer franchise I think if Dark Souls had been around for 30 years and had at least one game in it that was viewed as a as a trend center It would be equal to impact But I think you're kind of right it's kind of like Darksiders Darksiders is really really good Darksiders 2 is really really good But it's like that that series might be done. They're talking about making who knows what's gonna happen Well the thing is it's like it's not gonna be the exact same development team So there's a high chance that even if it continues it's not gonna be at that quality level You see I thought about that too, but I'm really scared for like the last Guardian and I've had so much faith that it would be good But see at least the last Guardian has like the same people behind it You can say the same about Final Fantasy 15, but yeah, so So so at least to me as I said, I view it as Dark Souls it quality-wise is comparable to Zelda Industry impact-wise is not and that might be what he's talking about and that might be why he also goes on to explain how They're kind of different games in different genres. They're not really in different genres per se You can argue the art, you know, whether Zelda's an RPG or not But those like the action adventure and the action like RPGs have like really crossed so much in the past That it's really hard to tell the difference between them You know, I guess a leveling system is one of the big things these days apparently But then again is a little leveling system when you increase your life When you increase how good your gear is like they're doing in Breath of the Wild Yeah, that's a form of leveling even Skyward Sword had a strong presence of RPG Sure, that's the thing like Zelda's always had like you don't I mean it's all the two you literally level up Also the games you get stronger throughout the game you gain hearts you gain better gear like it's always kind of been like action adventure and Action RPGs are really like there's not a whole lot of difference between them between them There can be There can be like Dragon Age as an example that series is way different than Zelda in terms of approach to how they do That's definitely like not like the same kind of genre. It's not even a JRPG it's a Wish they would have stuck with it more like in Origins and even Dragon Age 2 At least I'm especially at PC you can do Yeah, Dragon Quest Dragon Quest is a JRPG. That's a JRPG. No Yeah, no, it's okay. It's easy to get there's Dragon what? Anyway, so let's move on to our fan topics because we have some awesome fan topics this week and I cut oh my god You want me to butcher it again? Oh? my gosh For the lulls. Let me let me butcher. I'm I butcher these names. Oh, I already closed the post. Oh, I'm I thought I thought hey, we're moving on. Oh, wait. I better reopen it. So I can pronounce the name All right. Here we go. I'm gonna be pushing it What is it? Hitaka Miyazaki. Oh boy.  I'll get a bottle ready when I know okay We're talking about we're talking about like interview. No, no, here's the thing. I'm gonna avoid quotes I'm just gonna say I'm gonna say the producer of the Legend of Zelda series The creator of Dark Soul. I want to be like, I don't know what is his name? AJ Oymomo You're the co-host what's his name? I don't know Shigeru Miyamomo Oh my gosh Moving on to the fan topics This first one is actually one that was covered like maybe even four weeks ago now in the infamous podcast that never made it Because my computer died and lost all the files But the reason this topic is coming up again is specifically because this person Just knows how to make me feel bad that I That we skipped it because I noted that we were gonna skip them all because most people in that podcast already talked about those topics So I felt like re-talking about them again would make kind of a dry conversation But we have you know new people on this week, so it's good time to bring it back up So I really apologize to those people from that week For not going back to your topics again I I guess I kind of glossed over it was kind of a jerk about it. Suppose it's what this person claims So Jonathan Dyer Again, I'm sorry man, but hey your topic made it back So you see what happens you complain to me and I try to listen So here's what I said, here's a cool thing to wonder How cool of a game would it be to have Skyward Sword story told from Zelda's perspective? Or maybe from Impa's point of view the entire story talks about chasing Zelda while she is doing her tasks And you just so happen to be doing yours Coincidentally What if you angle the story in the way where you are frightened and alone and this random person is telling you what to do? Maybe it isn't as exciting as Link's story with all the fighting But it means she has to use other means of accomplishing her goals without fighting It could be an interesting way of approaching the story, and I can't wait to hear what you guys have to think Remember this question, but I don't know you guys Cool, yeah, you guys you guys go to town on this one. I'll kind of back off. Yes. I have heard of it That's what we do in the podcast It's Bonnie from Five Nights at Freddy's. Oh, I mean, isn't that just Majora's mask? No That's that's just a mask. It's just it's not a horror game There's a very clear line of this. There were times when I felt Ocarina of Time was a horror game Like what can you bottom of the world more post-apocalyptic if if um pre-apocalyptic and post if Nintendo was doing decent DLC at the time of the Wii's release Then I could see this being excellent DLC for Skyward Sword But to release this as a game on its own I don't think it would have much to it other than maybe a few hours of gameplay because with Well, you're traveling around as Link conquering all of the dungeons and everything defeating the bosses, but Zelda doesn't necessarily go through the dungeons the same way when she goes there or She's not taking on the bosses or the enemies, which is totally cheating by the way You should have had to go through the same way So we have a Skyward Sword stealth sort of like So well, we have to remember that like Zelda is you know spoiler alert. Zelda is Havia And so she has magic Yeah, and if it has magic that link link doesn't have the ability to use magic It's covered so really you would you'd have to keep in mind that this game would end with Zelda going back in time and then falling asleep Very anti-climatic. Yeah. Oh, but I imagine that seems extremely climatic. What are you talking about? No, I'm like, I'm serious like instead of ending with yay, rah, rah No, you fall asleep the end like what that that's like that's crazy What game ends that way where you you end falling asleep? Well, I guess you could look at it as it would end the same way that most zelda games would begin Because there you go. Link waking up starting the adventure zelda is falling asleep. Well, to your point like it couldn't be a standalone game Well, we're kind of in the era where like you don't need to create 60 dollar premium products all the time It could easily be like instead of DLC you could just be like a 20 dollar game with isha This could be the zelda captain toads. Yeah Um Well, oh, yeah, it could be like captain toad. There you go. Like that was a 40 dollar game Was it nearly as long as the original mario game? But it was fun people liked it and it was at a price point that people thought accept them. I think Yeah I think the way they didn't have to do it is also like It's sort of also in the captain toad structure instead of like a whole open world Like in skyward sword.  But if you have these just sort of little vignettes, you could work it. I think I Think you could take the same concept and apply it to ocarina of time because once zelda rides off on the horse with Oh, I'd love to see that in terms into chic You you would be able in in this version of the game you would Uh, potentially be able to see how zelda gets the ideal or transforms into chic and then with chic Presumably you would have Different combat skills and you would have to meet link at all of the same locations that link meets chic to teach the different songs and everything in the volcano or At the ice cavern. I'd love to see a game that takes place in the seven-year gap though I think there's a lot more room There Where there's events that we haven't seen before and I'd rather see new events than see the same events from a different perspective I think like like jonathan, you know brings up skyward sword the reason that the seven-year thing actually seems plausible Um, isn't just because there's clearly a gap with some story that could be told is that Basically the guy who created zelda shiguro minamoto. I didn't screw up that name. Um He said he said uh, yeah, but is it maya moto or mia moto? It's mia moto. It's mia moto Anyways, I know I've heard his name so often if I got that wrong then the rest of internet has it wrong, too um heck bill bill treasure has it wrong so Uh Now I lost my train of thoughts now. I'm thinking of his how to pronounce his name No, uh, so shiguro minamoto june e3 this year said that um, he's very open to there being side games in zelda and this was in response to a question about you know A different you know having like a female link or all the stuff and he was just kind of like look It's always going to be the link. You know in the main games. However We could have different characters and different genders and stuff in side games Um, and he mentioned specifically that he's always wanted to do like kind of a side game of the seven years was chic Like he specifically mentioned like that Specific thing as being something that they could explore do it man. Uh, what are you waiting for?  So I mean it is me a moto. So pretty much if he wants something to happen It's probably gonna happen Um But again, you know, they might be waiting to see what how breath of the wild does and yada yada When's a good time to release a game that's a side game for a game that only you know got remastered in what 2011 But now we're five years later. Is it still relevant?  Yeah Oh hd. They need hd that bad boy Yeah, and 2018 would be the 20 year anniversary for the game. So it would make perfect sense Yeah, and then and then they could even package in the side game with it With an option to buy like a digital only version. Yeah, like that could be their big zelda game for 2018 While they work on whatever comes after But you know, give it to jonathan. He obviously wants to see more explorative skyward star Reality is is as soon as nintendo finally like they've talked about wanting to do it They finally do a side game for a mainline zelda game that explores other characters and other events Or the same events from different perspectives That's when you can start being like look skyward sword is right for this We we could see, you know, what's gruse doing this whole time We could see his perspective other than moping like it It's one of those things where there is a lot of different ways and a lot of different zelda games For us to see what's happening behind the scenes that we don't get to see from link's perspective Um, so as soon as nintendo opens that pandora's box Go buy that game because that game selling well is going to convince them. Hey, there's a market for this We should keep making these things I'm gonna punch you in the face The thing is that I didn't look it over Just chic is just i'm worried about it For this way, I'm more excited to play that game than to replay ocarina of time. So it just needs to exist Yeah, I think that game should be the although Well, then that it might start moving up my list. Yes voice acting is all it missed More we can more we can frame and Oh boy, uh, so jonathan, thank you for your topic I'm moving on to a couple because we had a lot of a lot of good ones. That was an email topic I mean a couple more email topics one in specific We are not going to get to today because it's ultra long it would take up at least half of a normal podcast However, we are going to bring it up in the future. I have it literally saved right now Um, it is from uh, what did he give me a name? He didn't give a name, but it's from uh, he goes by mythasaur hunter in his email from a yahoo email. He uh Sent us a really really long Interesting one that I think would make an awesome topic for us to eat up like half a podcast with If we have a slow week and hey, we've had a lot of slow weeks in the podcast So I wish I would have had this topic earlier Um, but this week we have a lot of good stuff Uh, surprisingly we have like no topics from facebook this week. That that's interesting That's like the first time well we there is one Atop of that got submitted. Well, I was when we started recording, but we'll see if we get to that Let's just get right back into it though. We have one from sarah uh sarah herman Email this in it said she got kind of it's kind of a two-parter Um, it's a hello. I've been a fan of zelda dungeon over the past few years. Notice how I emphasize that I was a dungeon her old rival Um Since it was my go-to place when I needed to get 100 completions in zelda games Anyways, I have been tuned into social media as much over the summer So I am recently like the last two weeks getting into all of the zelda breath of the wild news and footage Hey, congrats. It better to be late for the party than not at all. Let me tell you It's still early at we're not going to get any new information for a while So, okay, so this includes watching your podcast and I just wanted to tell you guys that you're doing an amazing job Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you. It's got to know that people appreciate what we do Um, so I know this week i.e talking about last week so podcast number 19 Uh, you guys talked about the sheikah tribe There is something that I have been curious about and I have seen and heard only a few theories on the topic It could possibly play into the timeline a bit, but there are so many theories on that anyways What do you guys think about the concept of hadiyah statues in the temple of time where it was not before And whether people know about her or even worship her again, obviously the sheikah and the temples do As you said in the 19th podcast about the sheikah possibly becoming more prevalent in this game I find it interesting that hadiyah is Is as well since she was forgotten and doesn't make sense for this game to be before or right after skyward sword One theory I saw did mention that hadiyah could be the goddess of time. I don't think skyward sword said that outright Um, and it used that fact in this theory So that that's the first thing choice at the base top Um, a lot of like focus on why hadiyah is like in the game like the statue what its significance is Um, yeah, because we don't really know a lot about the goddess of time Just the it's a thing It's like a thing that exists, but we don't really know it won't have any background Unless it is hadiyah, then we then we have some background. I don't think highly it was even um from just a Real world standpoint even around before skyward sword Um, unless I'm mistaken. Yeah, like what an actual concept. Yeah retroactively There's a goddess statue in the Zelda 2 that is exactly like the goddess statues in skyward sword So, I mean and then that's that's a kind of a this kind of a point to make too because At the time like when or career time was made Highly I might not have even been an idea But when it wasn't skyward sword it became an idea So now the next time that you visit the temple of time, they're like, yeah Well, no you can like the statue was always supposed to be so we could say that they hadn't thought of it yet But now with that they have weak sauce. That's weak. So give me a theory. All right my theory Get that logic out the window. We're not using logic all developers are lazy and they're retroactively changing it. No Give me a theory.  I guess maybe should that a game over Jesse take this? I know he does some theories once in a while. Oh, yeah Actually, uh, if you guys can Sorry about this. If you can give me like two seconds of uh, someone just came in. All right. Oh boy That someone's probably highly at herself. Um, well, I could say that maybe the sheikah never Really forgot like maybe the high liens maybe forgot But I don't think the sheikah would have because the reason they serve the royal family Is because they are literally like descended from the goddess or zelda was a reincarnation of the goddess, right? So I think for the sheikah their culture specifically was always like Central to the goddess. Yeah, always built around that Even if the main highly in population kind of forgot and now that the main I don't know. We haven't seen much of breath of the wild or any towns or npcs other than the old man But it may be yeah, I mean, we don't even know for all we know in this game The people don't even know what highly. Yeah, exactly So but it could be that all that's left are sheikah and so they've started rebuilding if there's any left alive If there were other than the monks that we've seen Which may or may not be alive. They could just be spirits that were locked. That's true. They just kind of vaporized They just kind of exploded. So Yeah, um, so it's kind of like we don't know if they're real or if it's like one of those like hologram message things Yeah, but it could be that we don't really like we don't we don't know we don't have enough backstory We don't we don't actually know it could be the statues there and people just see it. It's a statue They don't let me say this in game if this game If this game, I think I said this in a prior podcast If we go throughout this whole game with all these sheikah symbols and the only sheikah We ever see like legit sheikah not like One to the shrine that just poof in the air is impa. I'm going to be so upset How can you have sheikah be like everything in this game, but you only get to see one I think I'd like to see impa as like a tribal leader in like a town You know and she clearly was a leader in the past. Yeah, it's kind of like She she wasn't always just soloing her thing was Ella like there was like a tribe that she was like a clear figurehead Um, that we've just never seen we've heard it talked about we've heard it mentioned in Hyrule of Astoria Mentioned in Ocarina of Time mentioned in Hyrule Warriors as well and haven't actually seen And I would imagine for impa to be the caretaker for Zelda that she did have a prominent role among the other tribe members Yeah, I mean there's that whole theory. I think it's only a theory officially About uh, even the sheikah tribe like splitting up into two different groups Yeah, it's just a theory, but it's a good one. Like I remember that I'm pretty sure that was just a theory That's not actually conferring stuff yep And also several times in Skyward Sword uh five mentions five feet whatever you want to call her mentions that like the goddess has seen you through time or Sends you a message through time and things like that. So it's not confirmed, but I think it holds off I do let's get some craziness. Let's do it Yeah It's so weird to be like, how do you forget about Hylia when it's now the base of the name of your race? It's so hard to be like, how do you logically forget that's that's what you're called Oh my god, so this is reminding me This is reminding me of this old article I read like years ago And it was I think it was called Stone Tower Babel and it was this whole breakdown of like Icana culture It's a great read. I haven't read it in years but Yeah, and all the triforce symbols on the blocks and that are in only in Icana canyon, or I think just in stone tower even Well, then they've forgotten a lot of times They've keep they need to stop forgetting because this is gone too long Yeah, that's just so It's I don't know I don't know.  I thought it was the other way around Yeah, or the way that way that's always the way it seemingly always worked It's always been vice versa evil rises and then link happens Um, except in the downfall timeline we'll we'll get into that malarkey um I mean the technically linked did rise. He just well, and then also technically not game over pre wind waker when Link doesn't show up again Because he went back in time. That's true. That's so in theory of the curse another link should although at least that one makes sense I mean when they're like, yeah downfall timeline, he just lost again and probably died I'm like, okay, that can happen in any game. Why why does that have to happen here? Just because the other split happens here. No, all right cool Sure Yeah, yeah, I think I hope that Hylia is kind of a You know, I'm hoping that Hylia is kind of closely connected to the sheikah And because the sheikah are still clearly prevalent in this game, which leaves a lot, you know There's so much speculation where the game could go You know, some people think it converges on the timeline. Some people think it's before ocarina of time when the sheikah were more prevalent um You know, there's a whole lot of speculation um I just hope that it's so so much that the sheikah and hylia are intricately connected whether it's god as a time Or whatever whatever excuse it is that like that's like the center of everything that they do um And because this game focuses on that we're going to learn a lot more about hylia itself and hylia's Importance to hyrule because we know what hylia meant to you know, the skyloftians who became ill hylians and also like hylians like we know how important hylia was in the past and How important hylia was green carding to zelda to kind of bring the people back down like we understand that importance But from that moment on I'll say we don't really know What hylia's importance is anymore? um I'll tell the fact that yeah if prince of zelda is still today like every iteration of prince of zelda is hylia then You can argue that the importance is that your prince of zelda is always there and she's always doing things But at that point you don't need like statues of hylia anymore because you've just got zelda like Yeah, like yeah You have your well it but yeah, that's the thing like like zelda in A skyward sword didn't know she was hylia so like her descendants or whoever else you know becomes zelda in the future Is that just the same they just don't know they're hylia they know they're part of the triforce, but that's all they know No, you're right So so like is she not hylia anymore? Is she only hylia for that one iteration and then hylia Hylia reincarnates is something else for me hylia is gone. Maybe there is no hylia Like a sacred a sacred like kind of like the pope Oh Oh, so So obviously we could we could talk on and on about hylia. I hope we we gave you some good ideas there I got tell her a babble involved here, man. We're getting crazy. Um So here's here's the second part too to like all this breath of the wild stuff. She said I'm not sure if you have time. Well, we made time. So you're awesome They we're also we're also here. We're also rocking them So I'm not sure if you have time But another thing I noticed is with the 30th anniversary amoeba now available Well, they're not they're not available available pre-order. Um, is that there is now a link from each timeline? Um from wind waker, which is the adult timeline. You have tetra and tunelink child timeline We have the twilight princess with the wolf link downfall timeline. We have the 8-bit link Um, obviously ocarina time itself. We have the the ocarina time link plus um Yeah Here's what I would love that's why the print um anyways So get into it. Uh, she says that are all usable in breath of the wild The only other amoeba that we know will work in breath of the wild are amoeba that are representative of breath of the wild I was curious of what you guys thought That's not true all of the amoeba for That released with smash balls in her cell that we're working in as well And all of the link and all of the link amoebas except wolf link amoeba I think wolf wolf link amoeba was definitely separate in breath of the wild because we know what that does Um, but all the link amoebas are just they just register as a link. Yeah, that's what I was going to say So it doesn't really actually make a difference what timeline they're from they all just register as like the same link But I would love for them to all work. It might recognize that it's a different link amoeba So like say it's like an uh One in Hyrule warriors, you know where you could tap your amoebas and get like little bonuses So I might let you like tap your tunelink tap your your um your tune Smash bros and tap like you're actually like it might still all be considered one link But it'll recognize it's different versions of that same link But um, I guess what what she seems to be hitting that Because you had a little follow-up to it. It's just trying to hit that. Um, what this might mean for like a timeline placement I don't think the amoeba have anything to do with the timeline placement. So yeah like like These amoeba that are releasing this year For the 30th anniversary. It's because of the 30th anniversary It's not because of the rest of the while It's picking what they feel are key characters throughout the history of zelda So you obviously have the 8-bit link because it it started it all you have link from ocarina of time Largely considered one of the greatest times of all time the greatest games of all time a milestone game and then because Agenomo is in charge. It is going to be tunelink and tetra because that's like that's one of what a one of his first, um Like major impacts on the series in terms of leading it down a new direction supposedly Um, at least it was one of the more controversial directions. He's taken with the series Uh, so All that can be easily kind of explained and obviously the wolf link one can be explained by the fact that they released Why the princess hd? Um, and they really wanted to sell that so that's why they said oh, hey, look It's going to have a use in breath of the wild and breath of the wild obviously going to have its own amoeba I just don't think amoeba You know, obviously the wolf link amoeba has like, you know, a really awesome use but Yeah, I don't think anything through the story, but I would have never liked it if it does I would love to have them all work like the wolf link and you can build your own little party of this Like those link avengers come together. You tap tetra. You tap tetra and you get her pirate ship in the game Ha ha It's real small, but it's a tank man raid villages. You get raid villages Steel bombs from the bomb shop. Um Like I don't even know what a but like would do it. What does it do give you a raft? Or in a ladder It's like to boost your climbing ability. It'll give you the white. It'll give you the white tunic. Um Yeah, it's You know, we obviously don't know what any of the amoeba's uses are beyond wolf link It could be really simple. It could actually be like important Like, you know, um, maybe one of the way you activate the guardians is to tap the guardian amoeba For some of the ones that aren't active Oh Yeah, like there could be so many uses we really obviously have no idea With all the equipment works in this game to me a lot of the amoeba uses I feel like it's going to be like equipment based like oh Hey, if you tap this you get 20 arrows. So sort of like in twilight princess if you had the link of mebo Yeah, yeah, kind of like accept those were like, oh you gain health or you gain difficulty Like this is gonna be like no because you think or like if you tap say like the amoeba that has link shooting a bow it automatically restores the the Durability of the bow you have equipped at the time Because you know breakable equipment. Well, there is a way to have your favorite items break with amoeba Um, which that might annoy some people too that you have to buy extra things and not break your items But people will find anything to complain about Um, yeah, so, you know, we talked about some prior pockets. I just I don't maybe one of you guys disagree I don't see all the amoeba plays anything in the timeline placement. Oh come on. Someone take the absence dance Usually I'm like the last one of it. Yeah, I'll do the opposite way that it's going to be The one that combines all the timelines that has amoeba for everything It's like devil's advocate. It's going to bring smash bros officially into the universe Oh my gosh, they didn't even reveal it yet, but they're releasing one with them on the motorcycle from marty card eight Now marty card eight's canon And the cartoons canon, um But no, I really do appreciate, um You bringing this up sarah, uh, it is a very interesting observation that now we're going to have like Zelda amiibo from all these different things that work in breath of the wild Um, just so far we have not seen amiibo have any role on on timeline stuff in any other game I don't really see how it would suddenly have a roll now Um, especially since the most significant thing we've seen is the wolf link thing and that at least on the surface We don't know for sure yet doesn't appear to have any timeline implications. When do we get our gender neutral linky amiibo? Oh my gosh Darren I'm with that. You keep bringing that up.  Um That's okay. He's he's like he's like that's okay. I'm a regular member of the tendo prime podcast I'll keep bringing it up there. Yeah, yeah, because we have we haven't created a controversy on that one yet Um next week boys. So, uh, this will be the last fan topic we cover This is the last fan topic we're covering Um, just because we did have one on twitter and one on facebook We're gonna go to the twitter one save the facebook one for next week. I'll I'll pack it up with uh With that he would trust me like this this fan top of the person email me that we're not going over It is like a six page thing. Oh, it is huge. It's a very good topic um That you know, we're we're gonna break down and go through it as as I you know Like i'm not gonna read the whole thing and then talk about it. We're gonna talk about it as we go Um, but that's gonna be something that you know That's you might even have a whole podcast dedicated at that point how long it is, but it's a very good topic So we're we are going to go over it. Uh, when we kind of have a slow week, which um, unless nx Like something happens not a rumor, but like Like it gets revealed. It's probably going to be a slow week for zelda I don't anticipate us having another zelda interview landing Um, like we did last week We had what the art interview with the art people and this week We just happened to have a couple outsiders like discover a new glitch which that doesn't usually happen Um, and then obviously we had someone from dark souls comment on stuff that that these that stuff's not normal That's not a typical week. Um Just make something up um, remember zordiana, so um nintendo drawing or at halcy 1212 on twitter Uh, just wants us to talk about uh, what about if nintendo is making a sequel to breath of the wild? Like to deal with Majora's means that the guys actually want to talk about what they want us to talk about quick turn around sequel I'd love that should they do it will they do it? Do you want it to happen? But Sure, let's do it and it'd be faster because they don't have to build new assets, right? Wasn't there an official thing from a numu or miimoto where they said that the next zelda game would be experimenting with multiplayer using the breath of the wild engine Yeah, so wait. Don't we're getting an MMO? Yeah, they they haven't said anything for the next one. They said that Um, they said they want to try that. They also said they want to make another game like breath of the wild um Which i'm assuming means big sprawling open world thing like like they have more ideas and they'd like to do it again No, I I think it should be but I don't think it's going to be I think when they're done with this, I think the next game we're going to get is another top downs of the game um Maybe maybe like a maybe they might have well nx is going to be combined everything So that's what i'm saying. That's what i'm saying like they're going to use it as an excuse to be like well Now it's everything so you can't say we didn't release this all the game port because we did Well, that's what i'm saying like it took them, you know what almost, you know five probably If we're being realistic five years to develop this game because the sixth year here is kind of porting it to a different system um, so it's one of those You know for starters on the top of the person that I would love to see a quick turn around sequel I don't know anyone that wouldn't want to see that as long as it makes sense with how the game ends um That would be great. People love quick turn around sequels We'll have to be crazy. Um, but a quick turn around sequel Not that's crazy. A quick turn around sequel would be great Usually, you know, like Majora's mask wasn't as big as ocarina of time So, you know, you're probably looking at some smaller scale, but people are generally okay with that Um, it depends on what what you where you kind of leave the story to be able to go what you want to do with it Um, maybe you want to do another you'll go back to terminal whatever whatever they want to do Uh, so they can do anything they want. I think it would be great people would like that We get a new zelda game two years after this one. That's awesome. Um, but uh It's kind of one of those those things to me that nintendo Doesn't like sticking to one thing with zelda so If you look at the history of the zelda series, um since a g aino who took over Uh, it's been kind of like here's the one gimmick we use the whole games built around that Then we totally throw that away from the next game do something totally new And while this game has a lot of new mechanics in it, you can argue the gimmick in this game is it's open Open air. Sorry their term whatever open air So like they mentioned they wanted to do that again But like the thing is if you're mentioning that you want to do that again That tells me that you're not looking at this as the standard for future games It's just an ideal you would like to try one more time Instead of being like this is what all of our future games should be like. Yeah, and didn't they say something similar about the Motion controls they created for skyward sword that they would like to reuse that again Yeah, and I think a lot of this has to do with how popular the game is to be honest If birth of the wild goes out and is the first Zelda game to break 10 million copies Um, yeah, it's going to become the new standard Um, ocarina time went out set sales records became the new standard like that. That's just It makes too much financial sense for them to be like, oh, we had this awesome idea. They got super popular Let's just not do it again Um, that's not the way Nintendo operates if they do a Mario galaxy was popular. So we got Mario galaxy 2 Like this is just that's what you do new super mario bros are popular. So we got like five more games Is that underestimating? Well, there's new super mario brothers Our new super mario brothers we new super mario brothers 2 and new super mario is you. Well, it's only four games. I overestimated Yeah, I think that's right There's one. Oh and 2nd. Yes, new super mario bros or it's new super mario luigi bros if that counts But I don't think it. Oh, yeah, that the dlc Doesn't really count though No, it doesn't that's more like dlc Especially since they I think they have to advertise it as dlc um But yeah Yeah, yeah, you can get it at retail separate. I know so that I guess you could argue that's that's the five So maybe I didn't overestimate. I definitely underestimate. I was like, uh No, it actually it felt bad because they're all released like within an eight-year period So like it just felt like we were getting slammed with it, which we kind of were But it really isn't that it really isn't that many games because then they switched over to 3d land And new super mario bros 2 sucked anyways, so What? New super mario bros 2 on 3ds sucked. Yeah I wasn't that into new super mario bros 2. The first one on ds.  I like the one on we and I like the one on we you a lot like the we you once my favorite I love that one. I know some people like oh, I'm so tired of it doesn't it's just a really dang good mario game Yeah, that's what I thought I thought there was only far I was doing like unless you call the luigi there isn't Yeah, because they kind of stopped because then they went to 3d land and then three world And obviously, you know now we assume they're making like a full-on, you know full 3d platformer One that's not like 3d world. That's not like the isa Well, they said that they're doing a mario game isometric like viewpoint like an actual 3d like galaxy or 64 or sunshine Didn't Miyamoto say that's what we assume. We don't know with the breath of the wild I think after mario maker if they just come up with like yeah, here's new super mario brothers nx It's like you missed you missed the boat on that man. Just just port mario maker and call it good Like two it's so hard right now. I think we're intended to go back to 2ds all the game or 2d mario games um Well, well super mario maker exist. It's so hard to be let's just release another one like people could just make those levels themselves The same story. Oh my god the story. Oh the story. Oh, no, he captured the stars or he took the princess. Oh, no my mummy Then just add a story mode patch to Mario maker Well, there are there is kind of like a I mean, it's not a story, but you do say the hundred level clear thing. Yeah, you do save the princess there So it's kind of technically well, you know what that's the one as complex as most mario stories. So um, but no, it's Yeah, I see them hard time doing it. It's gotta be a 3d mario if it's happening And I know yes 3d mario games are less popular than the 2d But I mean a super mario maker 2 makes more sense to me than going in with another 2d mario game Um, you know, and I don't know what they would even do with two besides ad more art styles in from over the years Oh my gosh, you could just simply add. Oh if they do that then they just done making mario games There's just gonna be mario carts and mario parties from now on Pay for mario Oh, you know what? I would love them. Let us do they need to release a super mario rpg maker Oh boy You know people Totally off topic super geno maker. Let's do So yeah, see go the breath of the wild needs to happen I think I don't know anyone who Has seen breath of the wild and likes it that doesn't want to see it I mean the only people that would be against it are people who just don't like breath of the wild And believe it or not, there are people that don't there's people that absolutely cannot stand looking at it because they hate the art style that much But keep in mind people hated the wind wakers art style and it became a classic Zelda's never felt Japanese in the first place that's true too What's I'm saying like that seems like a really dumb argument zelda has been like the most western game nintendo has Oh my god, we just keep going back to just keep eating that horse But I mean it's gonna be the most disliked podcast we've ever released if people are arguing that they don't like it so let's uh Let's move in obviously this is extra special episode with our five with our five guests and all these great topics We are we might as well at this point. We're an hour 45 and we might as well Just go into our favorite things from this past week. We're already this far down the rabbit hole Let's just keep it going. Um, and I know alfred earlier said he has something awesome His favorite thing from the past week So I'll let you start if you still remember Yes It is amazing. Is it not like It is like one of the best games for the game pad Yeah But that's part of the that's part of the experience. Yeah, oh that makes me so happy I don't know if our podcast listeners though. He's been like Trashing zombie you Like I'm like didn't even give it a fair chance. Oh It's a good game very underrated Um, I I could see why There are some critics that didn't like it like why the meta credit rating is the way it is I could see it because it's just it's such a hard concept to really just get Um, a lot of people frustrated with how the game pad works Yeah, yeah It is like it's just it is to at least to me what classic horror games used to be like And you just don't get games like that anymore Um, and that's why I like it so much. That's why I still think to this day It is the best horror game of this current generation I mean, there might be some indie games now. I haven't played all the horror indie games So there might be some that are better now, but um for at least the main like AAA release games I don't I can't think of anyone that's better at this generation Oh Well, that's related Nice oh boy It's awesome It's awesome Oh, of course I am seriously it does not get enough like due course Um, maybe so maybe I'll have to credit maybe I'll have to credit zombie you retrospective someday Give it give it some proper love Oh, let's see here Let's go with darin. All right. Um Favorite thing in gaming this week oddly is paper mario color splash.  It's actually a an okay game The visuals makes fun of itself. It makes fun of itself. The visuals look amazing at one of the best Visual styles I've seen on the Wii U. I think Um, the humor and it is great. I know some people thought it was kind of cheesy, but I really like it Um, I listened to the latest episode of IGN's Nintendo podcast And they liked it too. They had some they had some complaints, but um Well, it's not perfect. It's not perfect But it's just the thing is it's like it was coming It was coming From a reputation set by sticker star That it was going to be terrible. It looked like sticker star originally. I mean, it still kind of does and sticker star was just Bad, there's no and even the game before what was the game before sticker star for it? Um Yeah, even that one wasn't that well received It was better than sticker star like sticker star was like obviously the lowest point But it's kind of like okay. The Wii version was just okay. It really wasn't as good as the previous one sticker star sticker stars hated it's like the federation force Of like that that franchise and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, here's the game It looks exactly like sticker star like it's just not going to be good It uses like the same combat system. It's not be good And they literally took all the stuff that sucked and made it like good Yeah, um, I wasn't gonna buy it but I watched like the first half hour of gameplay today And I think I might pick it up Yeah, I've actually thought about it being See the problem is I really want to get Um, both of the new fire alone games. So I'm kind of like, do I get those or do I get this? It's kind of But yeah, the face games. Yeah And I think is I loved awakening. So it's like, I know I'm gonna really really love these games Oh I know I'm just I gotta get a good price. I gotta Those games I like I'm like if I get those game here I have a mod at 3ds. So like if I get those games, I will like live stream it for you Like audience if you want to watch me dive deep into fire emblem.  I don't even know what you're talking about.  Um It's unfortunate that I doubt that I do know who he's talking about. It's a lot of millennial I'll go I'll go next I guess um Obviously, I had a couple things uh semi related One of them's not necessarily gaming per se. Although the gaming will be involved with it. I built a new pc fast week Yeah This very podcast you're watching or listening to it was completely edited on that pc um So we'll see how it goes. I'm hoping that like it it's awesome If you're interested in the specs, you can just ask in the comments and I'll throw it in out there Or you can go watch the live stream. There's like a four hour live stream on our youtube channel You can go watch that or on our twitch um and on our facebook I was I was actually streaming at three different places So you can uh go watch that if you're interested in watching me build it You're right pc building should take four hours, but again my first time in a decade You know if I was redoing it again, I'd probably get it done in like an hour and a half. So um We have really really cool stuff Obviously, there will be some gaming on that and a reason I bring that up is because mafia 3 came out Now I don't know if anyone on here even likes the mafia series But I do I like it more than Grand Theft Auto and Basically, it's more of the themes of the game Like I'm not saying the quality of the mafia games is necessarily better than all the quality and production value of Grand Theft Auto But I always like the themes of the game like mafia like The mafia like that whole Like underground, you know owning a owning a town But like the public isn't really aware that you own the town All that back the wrong stuff that happened back in the 50 60 70s 80s Heck, they're still technically like a mob and a mafia today in america um So it's kind of like I'm really into all that stuff So I really liked all those games like I know some mafia fans don't like mafia 2 I like mafia 2 way more than mafia 1 Um, it's just amazing and it came out this week and I haven't played it yet. Um Because I was gonna get it on a pc obviously. I just built a new pc. Why won't I get a brand new game to play on it? Uh, some things are disappointed man. They locked the pc version at 30 fps For no reason Like the game isn't so graphically intense that they needed to worry about framerate Not yet But they they're they're supposed to be going to be releasing a patch. I'm hoping as soon as the patch comes out That's probably what I'll consider. There's a bunch of other bugs with it too and People kind of saw the bugs coming Because they did not let the press have review copies of the game Which always tells you there's something wrong with the game if you're not confident enough to give out press copies um And yeah, I'm I'm kind of on the fence with it because Parts of it I watch these videos I watch these streams and it looks really good And I really like some of the story stuff and then all of a sudden you'll see like jim sterling playing it And he can't get his character to holster his gun He just holds his gun out and you're looking over his shoulder the whole time. He's walking around And it's like, okay, that's that's stupid Like that's a bug that just cannot exist um And there there's the classic fallings with the world bugs which again I think I don't think I've played an open world game on pc where I haven't ran into an instance of falling through the world I just on pc I haven't had it happen to me in console yet, but on pc I swear there's always some part in a world game where I just fall through I don't know why Even even like world of warcraft. I've been playing that since 2004 or yeah, I think 2004 is when it came out um I think every single expansion packs packs they released including this new one I have found a spot where you can fall through the the whole world And just stare up at everything and wait for your character to die if he does die And then if he doesn't die you have to like message Like the blizzard support team in the game to be like, hey, can you get me unstuck? I'm like 17,000 miles below the land um, but It's better than I actually I know no men's sky is less buggy That's kind of that's kind of what upsets me is I I love pc gaming. I've always loved pc gaming um, I don't do a lot of it because A lot of the games that I want to play on pc are other kind of the games that come out of xbox come out on playstation Uh, but the problem is is they're tailored for consoles so much that the pc version just suffers Yeah, like the last the last console game that also came to pc that I think was really really good was the witcher The witcher three like it's really dang good on pc Um, and that makes sense because I believe the original witcher was originally just a pc game if I remember right Now dude, they might have ported it eventually, but I think when they first released it was pc only if I remember right? Um, so they started it as kind of a pc franchise So it made a lot of sense just like dragon age games. I believe dragon witch inquisition was actually pretty solid on pc performance wise Um, and that started as originally just a pc game um with origins Yeah, but then uh forza that just came out Has shitloads of bugs on pc that don't exist on the xbox version. Um, I don't know I I only know I only even know about it because like I don't play that game But I was listening to frame trap The the pod the really really super long podcast. That's pretty much as long as this one is this um on Because on easy allies that people forward game trailers people they have two podcasts They had their easy allies podcast, which is usually about an hour and a half Then they have their frame trap, which is a bi-weekly podcast So because it's bi-weekly they go like two and a half hours with it every day Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and apparently they released on pc and xbox because most not all they went back on that It's not all games, but most xbox games are going to be on pc while the pc version of it's broken Like really really broken, but the xbox version isn't so it's kind of like even though microsoft is saying this It doesn't mean the pc version is actually going to work And you figure it would because they're on the x86 architecture and it should be easier to port. It's just not Happening So so that's the kind of thing that upsets me a pc game. Now there's other like pc only games are great.  Yes I look they were crossed over the total war series with with warhammer That was awesome. Like the pc only games are great It's just a lot of the games that I want to get at pc are things that are on home consoles So I don't I don't want to have to own A gaming pc and a PlayStation 4 and an xbox one when all the games I want to play are on the pc But I feel like I have to because the games I want to play aren't going to be playable on the pc Besides exclusives obviously exclusive a number of reasons like I want to be because of exclusives or I did own a Wii U I want xbox one originally because of Basically I want xbox one to play matt because ea will not bring it back to pc for some reason That's literally it's a madden. It's a madden box Oh, what upsets me I used to play I used to back and I think it was up until 2007 I played every single madden exclusively on pc. I didn't play at any other system besides. Oh, I'm sorry. I did own Madden 95 or something on uh n64 But I still like the better on pc But it is what it is. Um mafia. I'm glad it came out I'm hoping that I'm waiting. I'm hoping that things get patched to a point that I could play it Like without worrying about bugs on my new computer because I big mafia fan So yeah, favorite thing built the pc and mafia 3 came out and it sucks and I'm hoping they can unsuck it Oh, yeah, it's such a terrible word or anything. Uh, jesse Yes, what's your favorite thing to happen in video games this past week? All right. Well first I want to start off by saying when zombie u first came out on the wii u It was one of the first games I played for it and I absolutely loved it. Yes So we got to start a zombie u gaming group, man. Oh my goodness. Yeah Hey, I got nintendo prime. I'll just repurpose it the zombie u coverage And then uh, the second thing that was mentioned was paper mario and the humor they've put into that game I think would be perfect for a game similar to a link between worlds towards that top down 2.5 d But if it was the humor in a zelda game, I would really love that And I actually tuned in for a while during your pc build. So Nice all of those things. I think I saw you. Yeah, I think I saw you say something I was on the twitch feed or something. I can't remember. Yeah It was one of one of the youtuber twitch when we only had a few people watching on those Yeah, but compared to like the 400 watching on facebook My favorite thing that happened this week is uh Not really video game news related, but my little brother is Finally getting old enough to where he can play through a zelda game and kind of Figure out the puzzles on his own, but he can't necessarily read everything good. So, uh We have been playing through wind waker for a little bit and I had the ideal to Livestream his first time playing ocarina of time and the next day we livestreamed his first time playing major's mask and it was really cool to kind of uh See someone experience those games for the first time because especially ocarina of time is looked at as not just one of the best Zelda games of all time, but one of the best Games of all time Or at least the one that's changed the industry the most so to I can see someone Yeah to see someone like dive into that experience for the first time And get their thoughts on it. We played ocarina of time until he Beat the uh queen goma in the deku tree So the first dungeon and then we ended the stream and the next night we ended the Major's mask stream after he was turned back into a human Nice and Just seeing him play through that and talking to him At the end of the video on the livestream Basically getting like that first hour or two hour experience review from a little kid Uh, I thought that was really great. I know I can't wait till my kids are old enough I'm definitely doing the whole livestream thing like hey This is like my daughter or my son like the very first time actually planes all the not watching dad play Like playing themselves and I'm just here to help them answer questions So it's only like I said probably the number one thing I like what having kids Um, because let me tell you having kids is very difficult. I have three of them And it pretty much stresses me out every single day. There's there's very few days where I can be like Man, I really enjoyed my day because of my kids however Um, the biggest joy of having children is watching them experience things for the first time And they're wonderment. They're wonderment and amazement in those experiences. You're like things I just take for granted today And that's kind of like Like yeah, I was in wonderment and amazement breath in the wild But by the time my kids play it, I'm not going to feel like that anymore Um, so it's just kind of That's just an amazing experience that you get to have there Jesse. Like that's just awesome Yeah, and it's something that I'm looking forward to which it'll be another five years probably But whenever my daughter is able to play through the zelda games and just experience everything that I experienced At that age at a little kid I I think that's going to be great as well But I kind of get a sneak peek into what that's like Not playing it with my little brother for the first time. Yeah, that's awesome Um, so darin at this point has to go no surprise podcast ran a lot longer than he probably thought it would So our voice from above the god the one guy who's not on camera Um, he's got a dip out so darin. Thank you very much for joining us this week See you later You can see you can follow him at real darin. Yep. I tweet about video games and I don't tweet about politics. So don't worry about that What no trumpers hillary first. No, please. No, no, okay Actually, I did retweet a meme about the dude with the sweater today, but that's about it I I I heard darin wanted hillary clinton to voice All right, I'm out. See you should just Yeah, see you there. All right. So, uh, we're down to last but not least Mr. Daniel Your favorite thing from the past week, uh, so I mean gaming wise. It's definitely not news, but I've definitely always been a nintendo guy Like thoroughly only the past few years well only with the 360 that I really get like outside nintendo And on xbox gold. I just got mirror's edge for free and I've never played it before And they have that free games with gold program Which I've been like catching up on all these games that I That I never got to play before, you know Yeah, so I'm really excited for that because I've heard amazing things about mirror's edge Yeah, and also a couple things Jesse we're saying about like having this experience with your brother and it's like Yeah, I gotta agree with you guys. We got the dad trio here Because my son he's he's Almost four now and it and he plays through He he doesn't play through any story, but he just kind of goes around. I miss your life Lucky guy Oh boy, but uh Yeah, so I mean he plays through some twilight princess Because when I got twilight princess hg I was like super psyched and he saw how excited I was so he wanted in on that obviously Being a three-year-old and so like he doesn't play through any of this story But I just kind of copied my save file into like file two for him and let him Play through that but seeing him like explore he just explored the world even and like discover things And he's so psyched about it. And he's so Yeah, it is honestly like an incredible Incredible thing. I can't wait to like move him on to more games But I want him to wait a little bit till he's bigger so he can go through like the game properly Um Hey, do you want to come play some zelda?  Kick the generator in my white van Oh my god All right, zero.  Oh my oh my gosh Morty we gotta play some zelda I think I think uh Oh my gosh, I think uh Because i'm still waiting for you to fulfill your e3 bet um I'm thinking that uh that for on the future, but I might just make you for a whole podcast Just talk Oh, let me hear that let me hear that Yeah, and then I'll do mine You can't say oh, I could do it, but I'm not gonna do it. No Well Man, that's like me saying oh, I could talk like mickey melis, but then I'm just not gonna prove it Next week Christopher walk in depression By the way, he know he did not say he's good at it. So Well, in that case, I mean I I could do a christian veil on batman That was terrible, but I mean I did it, but I did it Well, I am sick I have had a cold for like three weeks so um Do you think that would make if you feel like you feel like that would make me sound more like that batman Swear just sounds like he's on strep throw So that's gonna do it for this week's podcast I obviously extra long episode this week, but hey, that's cool. I get that says so I knew editing hardware I want a real longest episode.  Um I want to thank all of our viewers for being here. I want to thank all of our guests Which is everyone with me and Alfred technically because even though other people on the center here They're not regular parts of the podcast. So I want to really want to thank Daniel for being here Obviously Darren who's left who is probably crying right now as he saves his audio Um right obviously, uh Mr. Game over jesse for for kind of popping in here last minute. Um, I technically asked him like an hour beforehand, but You know, he responded like hey, when do you record right now? Oh, hey, okay. I'll be there Um So thanks for that you enabled us for the first time in a long time have four people filling up our video stream Like that's awesome Um, so as always you can catch us on forward podcast on our youtube channel at youtube.com slash is all informer Excuse me. I don't know what's happening right now I'm sick. So like things want to come out of my mouth. That's not good. Um So you can follow us there. You can follow zeldinformer on twitter. Um at zeldinformer We're on all the social media channels. Um, the podcast itself can also be found at podcast at zeldinformer.com Also, if you download the pod bean app, which is available on android and available on ios And I believe it's also in the windows store. Um, you could find our podcast our audio version on there So a lot of our android users have been like, hey, how can I get your podcast on android without having to like click that Download link on your site. That's how you download the pod bean app and you can find our podcast there That's where we upload our audio version um Yeah, also we're obscen itunes and all that great stuff so you can find us on there. Um Yeah, if you're watching on youtube, we do have an audio like some people on youtube Like hey, do you have an audio version? We do it's actually down in the description I always include a link to the download version of the audio And as I said, you can also find us on itunes and stuff a zelda Because I'm trying to avoid void uh zeltik or zelt link or whatever Zell link I can't even say it right now zeltik is the name of someone who Works at like zelda dungeon or does he work at our site? I don't even know. Isn't he a youtuber? That's how out of it. I am Aren't they all the same? They're all the same. Um, so you can follow me on twitter at nagance um, you guys throw out your twitter handles and Um, if you have any cool stuff you're working on that you want to tease All right, I guess I'll go first. Uh, I'm jesse at game over jesse on Uh twitter game over jesse really on everything. It's kind of a universal thing. Just type it in google It's just and uh for youtube I Have a new theory some discussions coming up as always nothing Too exciting or out of the regular normal Scheduled but fun stuff. Yeah, that's kind of what he does on youtube Yeah, he has asked some little theories and he has some discussions He constantly invites me to live streams that I just can't attend all because I attended that one time and Apparently he really enjoyed me being there and now I'm just invited every time and I just don't show up Um, uh, daniel, how about you? Yep, but I know you have content to tease Nice. Sorry. I just think this funny Every time someone says they're canadian, I just think of flapping heads from self-park. I just I can't help it. That's what I grew up as thinking canadians were and it's not racist because it's true No, that's called a stereotype That's good Yeah, I know I've been having issues in Nintendo Prime too. So it's I feel ya tech stuff sucks Yeah, I know I haven't done website stuff myself. I've always had dandas until we sold or until he sold old informer to massie So it's been like, yeah, I've started this new site in it for the first time in a long time. It's all on me This is fun. Um Let's see, uh Is that everyone me or elford?  Yeah full metal elfie. I'm not on it I'm on other stuff, but you guys aren't getting on my facebook. Sorry But yeah, I don't know. I was I was led into the facebook.  I don't pay you. So what sort of I have a big sorry offered like Those editories, you're right. They're just they're terrible I lose I lose all my my paying money. No, but I don't really do anything else Notable quality on the internet except for zelda for any future editorials. You're maybe working on Maybe I do have something that I might be doing That might be zelda related, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. Hey, uh, you know, I might as well ask you Because we briefly talked about it last week Did anything ever happen with draw more he had to do a rain check because he had An issue come up that I don't necessarily think I can get to yeah But he said he said that he was down for you know rescheduling at any point He'll just shoot me a time at some point later and we'll go from there But he's still on board to do it. He's he's just So folks when we start we're gonna start the draw more. We're not kidding Well, it sounds like he's going to try really hard to make it happen someday. Um, who knows when hopefully before the year is out We'll see um Obviously because he has a very very busy schedule Yeah, he's going from town to town to town also. So constantly on planes and Lots of travel, but it will eventually find a way to make it work Maybe it's just so much as alfred just has to go to a pokemon symphony and just doing person Hey, can that could be my payment? You could just give me tickets and I'll just ask him in person Yeah The vip one even playing in your area the rest of this year probably I think there's one this year. Yeah, there's actually one playing this weekend, isn't there? Well, This weekend's gonna be too soon For me. Come on Nate. Come on financially. I mean I can ask masses I don't know. I'll see I'll at some point. We're gonna get an interview because obviously that would work in person What's his excuse going to be? Uh Uh, it's october 29th if you know, you're feeling 29th. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, well, I'll think about that At any point at some point we're going to have An interview with him even if it's not recorded. It might just be text only. Yeah, the email interview kind of thing. Yeah, we will have Some sort of interview with the guy who was original starter of the of the zelda symphony Yes, and now does the now Yep Yeah, so guys, you know I don't know what kind of questions we have going on for him, but it'll probably be pretty interesting Because I'm hoping that when we interview him it's not just like asking questions that we already know the answers to But only Alfred knows because he's the one organizing. I am. I am I am the all-seeing eye of the interview All right. Well, that's gonna do it and thanks everyone for listening. As always, um Stay awesome. We'll catch you next week same time same place. Yeah