al attention.  Making matters. Making matters even sticky. The ex-girlfriend also worked on Quantum Mania as a movement coach, and the London incident took place while majors were shooting season two of Loki. On October 25th, a New York judge denied major's motion to dismiss the case, which ensures that the actor will stand trial in late November. His legal team is attempting to keep some material of the case sealed. Yeah, so, you know, to be we always have got to put to one side the incredibly serious nature of everything that's happening with those people involved in that thing. There's a real thing and it's potentially horrible for what different things have happened to people, but we're strictly talking about Marvel's vampiric corporate POV.  The fact that it's going to take this long before they can even make decisions on whether or not they want to keep him. They can't even be sure about it because to drop him too early is to make it look like you don't have much faith and you're sort of you're looking to just get things done and move things on and get things in place. But to drop him to wait until after the trials, like, who knows even how much more damage is going to do to trying to create storylines to make the movies to push them out?  So. And I imagine that again, the vampiric like suit sense that they've looked at stuff, you know, DC's similar, like Warner Brothers, similar situations with other actors in legal trouble. They might be thinking, just get him, just cut him out earlier. It's better than later or just, I mean, I guess the thing is, is that they're in a place that they haven't made up their mind yet. But I mean, every day that they don't make up their mind, they still have made up their mind, which is that he's still a part of it. And yeah, he's not, yeah, he's still a part of it, but they're not shooting new scenes with him. So in the crazy, it says Avengers Kang Dynasty wasn't expected to be in shooting until early 2024.  Oh, yeah, that's coming out in 2027 at this point. And that's the thing, man, if you look to, like, you know, between if you made end games, like, when should the next Avengers be? It's like, probably don't want to go longer than four years, maybe five, that's already kind of pushing it.  Everyone join us. And that's by the way, that's why I consider, like, the next Avengers to be a big old death knell for the MCU, along with the marbles is one because of how badly it's going to do. That would be one because it shows how much money they can't make anymore. Like, there's all these little, like, sort of flags to the world of how bad this is going. And hence, because unlike unlike you've got Wakanda Forever. Yeah, that was the end of a phase, but it didn't feel like it. No, Avengers movies will feel like the end. They feel like the cap off. No. Yeah. Those will vary, like the public perception of those will be that. So, I mean, who knows what they're going to do?  I mean, who knows? If I was, I might be like, guys, we got a structure from the ground up before we even think about another Avengers movie. You can get so robotic that I imagine they're like, what can we reliably create? And it's like, Ant-Man is like, it's not, it's not pulling enough money. Is there another, another Doctor Strange? Like, maybe, yeah. Maybe we do another Doctor Strange. Like, can we do that? Maybe that will fix our problems. Because they already talked about this, like rumors of how it's going to be very Doctor Strange-centric, the Avengers films, that your evil strange and the multiverse and incursions and Kang is going to be like poised against him. And that's no accident. It's because Strange was probably the most profitable and they've got a really big actor attached to it. And they've got Sam Raimi is like that we can because isn't it rumored that Sam Raimi has been offered to do the Avengers films? Yes, it has been rumored, which is interesting. Don't do it, Sam. Stay away. No, he shouldn't do it. That would be a bad idea.  Get away from him.  Um, all right. A studio sources notes that, regardless of the actor's legal issues, Marvel already had considered moving away from a major's led phase because of the box office performance of Quantamania bullshit. I don't believe that for a second. No, I don't buy that. Yeah. That sounds like cope with it. Like, oh, we were thinking of recasting him anyway. Well, I mean, to me, that to me, that sounds like the same cope of no, Aquaman, too, was always going to be a buddy comedy. Like it wasn't going to have that much of an Amber Heard as Mara in it. No, that was I always pitched that way. It's like, aha, yeah, all right, yeah. You'd have to have like Quantamania would have to do bad. You'd have to get a lot of specific like like polling and stuff from people who said they didn't like him and didn't care about the character. And then maybe Loki would have to do really bad, too. And you'd have to get the same messages. But I think I think that just when they get their minds to something, they're just full steam ahead on it. The results of Quantamania not pulling the money means that we can't do solo Ant-Man films anymore. That doesn't mean we drop all of the Ant-Man characters. Also, as someone's already pointed out in chat, the timeline doesn't make sense because Jonathan Majer's legal stuff started in March and Quantamania came out in February. So I don't know about that. You know what I mean? Well, unless they decided literally days before, you know, all of his legal stuff started happening. You know what? That film didn't make enough money. Let's not do the Kang thing. That doesn't make sense from that perspective. But I also just don't buy the idea that when Quantamania does badly, we can't possibly use Kang again. Then it's like, that's not you wouldn't have concluded that you wouldn't. It's not like we'll never section on it, man. You're like, I think so. But also, we're going to see Scott Lang again. Of course we are. Yeah, exactly. It's not like we go all the way to Quantamania didn't perform. So we're not going to ever have Ant-Man now. Yeah, you'd have to get you'd have to get a lot of groups like test groups and things like that. Screening audiences very specifically and overwhelmingly saying that, yeah, Kang sucks. I think they were fully hyper invested in Majors and then the legal stuff happened. And then they were like, oh, distance, distance, distance now. I mean, it's pretty, I mean, we could see that. I mean, the whole reason we're having this conversation and reading these articles and everyone's, you know, knows about it now is because Disney is just like, it's their full steam ahead on this stuff. Like they don't do course correction. They do course misdirection. Oh, box office forms of Quantamania, which will struggle to make a profit. It gave people pause, given that Quantamania didn't exactly land. The source says on October 27th, Disney removed another major's film, Searchlight's magazine dreams from the release calendar. Yeah, there's so much, like I said, it's so interesting to see where this dribbles out to like the I really wanted to see the assembled, but it was delayed significantly because they were like cutting it out. It's so obvious that they had a section where they were probably talking about how great Jonathan Majors is as an actor. And instead, it was just stock music as the cost of splitting him was kind of sitting around and laughing. It was surreal. He must not be named. Yeah, he's being stricken for the records, like Stalin style. I wouldn't be surprised. And I think they have to just swallow the bullet of right.  Rody style. The idea that they won't like be able to sort this out, you know, for however, like, I just I feel like someone's got to get it done, move it forward, eventually. Absolutely. Unless there is actually a reason on it. But presumably they could just drop him whenever they want. Like, presumably, it's not like he's tied in. Oh, absolutely. I assume that in the yeah, in the contracts and whatnot. They say, like, if you do something bad legally, we can remove. Well, that's what happened with wasn't it? The Johnny Depp got dropped after the defamation trial in the UK, where he lost. Right. It was like that day was the day that he got dropped because presumably it's like, OK, well, now there's like a legal pretext. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I think, you know, yeah. All right. Let's see. So I had scrolled. What's this? Your own recasting. Measures are recasting. Recasting majors is also an option, as Feige did when he replaced Terence Howard in Iron Man 2 with Don Cheadle. Just want to say quick, you can reference that, but that's no way near the same situation. Not even remotely comfortable, except when I said recast Cassie earlier, people were like, they already did that. It's like, yeah, but no, no, no, you don't understand. Recasting someone who popped up briefly versus recasting someone who was full on and then versus someone who is in many things and is said to be the villain for a whole phase is like these are all very different. Yep. Let's see. In fact, Marvel isn't afraid to change direction even after making splashy announcements. Armor Wars was first unveiled in a I don't know. I don't like that name. Armor Wars. It's not great. It was first unveiled as a series and is now being developed as a feature while the studios push to adapt the comic book in humans into a feature film generator headlines, but is now dormant. Oh, yeah, that's right. They that was the plan. And then it became that show that nobody liked. Yeah. The now defunct Marvel Television Mount. The now defunct Marvel Television Mounted in inhumans TV series in 2017 that ran for one season on ABC. Yeah, I guess some relevant information is that Marvel Television was a different there was Marvel Studios and then there was Marvel Television. They were not the same. They were not the same. They didn't have the same leadership. They were they existed in different sort of realms. Whereas now all of the shows are Marvel Studios Productions. So like Daredevil, all the Netflix shows was Marvel Television. Agents of Shield, Marvel Television. But someone someone has linked a tweet from today. Oh, yeah, actually, yeah, 10 minutes ago. Pre-sales for the Marvels are reportedly now pacing behind that of Black Adam and the Flash. Really, really? Oh, my God. Sources from Deadline. But that only makes sense to me. Anyway, it makes perfect sense. But at the same time, my God, you want to go.  I'd be like, probably the Flash, I guess. Yeah. Like if I, you know, out of like, which one do you think nothing to do with your work, nothing to do with cultural conversations, just entertainment? Probably the flow. I mean, knowing Batman's in it, right? Yeah, that's not. And plus Black Adam, not a good movie at all. But I don't know. I found it. It's been a wild ride for Black Adam because it was, you know, everything coming up to it, coming out and being like lackluster in terms of box office. But now in retrospect, it's like, well, I guess it was. Well, it's better than everything else.   But but hey, maybe maybe the Marvels is going to change the hierarchy of the DC forever. Could you imagine it makes five billion dollars?  Yeah. It'd be so funny. Still, there was one bright spot in 2023. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, which became Marvel's biggest draw of the year with 845 million worldwide. The fact that it was directed by James Gunn, the guy now running rival DC studios was lost on no one. I mean, yeah. What everyone should mention, if they don't mention it, it's it's incredibly important to mention is why it felt different to the rest and it's why it's kind of useless information. In terms of like the outlier. Yeah. It's outlier. It's succeeded despite the franchise it belonged to. Yeah. But sorry. By using what I meant is in favor of Marvel's uprising or rebirth or anything. It's like, no, there's nothing to do with that. No, no, no. No, absolutely. No, this is always going to be a James Gunn thing. Yeah. What's up, you know. Quote, with Marvel, it used to be as close to a guarantee as you could get, says Paul Der Degara, Bedean, Degara, Bedean, a box office analyst at ComScore. So, quote, so going in all in on budgets made sense. Guardians 3 was a bit overlooked in how successful it was. But that had James Gunn and Chris Pratt. And I think star power is becoming more important. Then there was Quantamania with 476 million. Anything under half a billion dollars is viewed as a disappointment. And these over overreaching expectations are a result of so much success over the years. That is so true and so important for people to remember. And it's it's not because, I mean, you can see with some other Disney stuff this year, it's like, oh, yeah, 500 million. So you have it when you spend 250 million dollars. They have got to reign in the costs of these movies. There is some there is some rot at the core of their financials. There's just these movies should not be costing this kind of money. And if they are, then you need to seriously reevaluate what you're spending it on. And in just what you're doing, there's too many examples of movies that are 100 million in less in terms of their budgets. And they're great and they make a lot. So it's something, I don't know. Sure, a bunch of stuff they talk about at Marvel, but who knows what will actually get done? Well, then let's see. The key to reinvigorating Marvel may lie with the superhero arsenal that Disney acquired during its 2019 purchase of 21st Century Fox or whatever you say. Yeah, that deal brought several blue chip heroes, such as the X-Men and the Fantastic Four back under the studio's control. Already, fans are geeking out about next year's Deadpool three, which unites Ryan Reynolds, Merck with a mouth. Oh, Merck with a mouth with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine and a reboot of Fantastic Four slated for 2025. Yeah, I'll believe it's out when it's in the theaters.  Who knows what it'll look like and when it's so funny to write the because of the story for X-Men Origins Wolverine.  Yeah, it's it's it's kind of, I don't know, it's a bit poetic. I don't get very curious. It rhymes like George Lucas said. Yeah, it does rhyme. Thanks, George. As a bonus, the Fox Editions give Feige an opportunity to reimagine the X-Men franchise. The more I hear about and talk about Feige like this, I think he's thron. That's actually kind of perfect, because I imagine that he has spent many, many studio meetings being like, let me explain how we're winning, actually. Yes, this is actually really like we're winning. He's like, no, no, no, no, we got him on the ropes. Now we're going to lure him into that theater. Yeah. The very property he cut his teeth on as a young executive at Lauren Schuler Donner's production company. Now that the WGA strike was that Writers Guild of America. Yeah, yeah, that was Writers Guild of America. Canada on strike, no matter where you are. Now that the WGA strike is in the rearview mirror, Marvel has started talking to writers about bringing the X-Men into the MCU fold. That's going to fix it. Yeah, yeah, all it'll be is you'll just find you'll just ruin them too. How many? That's all I hear when I read that. How many new heroes have we had in Phase four and five? Does anyone know like an estimated guess? Oh, damn, oh, it's been a lot.  Issue, yeah, it's you're just burning fuel. You're not making anything. You're not doing anything. It's just our issue isn't that we don't have enough. It's that the ones we have suck.   But when it's like Wolverine, you're like, no, I don't like him.  It's huge. You're like, no, stop ruining him. Let him go.  All right. Next up, my God. I'll just finish it off then. Yeah, go for it. Well, Feige recalibrates the rest of the industry is anxiously just kind of funny while Feige recalibrates the rest of the industry is anxiously hoping that Marvel's best days are not behind it. I don't know about that. I feel like just whatever at this point. I don't care. So it's weird. You could have a lot of responses to that. One of the ones that I really felt was just like, well, but it is. You we all know it. We all know, like the fact that you were even writing this article is indicative of how over it is.  It's not going to happen. You had it and you blew it.  Yep.   It took ages like it was crazy. But in a couple of years, you may have like a dozen awful projects and rapid succession is remarkable. Writing the Marvel, quote, writing the Marvel obituary obituary would be ill advised, says Jason Squire, professor. Emeritus Emer at the USC School of Cinematic Art and host of the movie business podcast. Kevin Feige is the Babe Ruth of movie executives and Marvel has the most profitable track record of movie history. No question. Man, it's kind of weird, like the Feige worship in here.  What the what is what is that? I don't know as well. It's also just like, what are you what are you holding on to there? It's not going to happen. It's over. Exactly. It's it's done. It's Biden. It's Java. Obviously, we we're just waiting for a bit of the Marvel's information to confirm what we know to be true. But with we are actual days away from being able to confirm that. It's so over and it's funny because you be like, what about a Marvel's Avengers movie coming out? And you'd be like, what do you think is going to happen with that? No, I think they actually have to save the Avengers movie for when they're legitimately actually confident that it's going to do well. Because a bad Avengers movie in terms of box office, it's not just going to be like that's going to actually be like that that'll be the Titanic sinking. Yeah, everyone's going to see it. Because if an Avengers movie makes less than a billion dollars, then it is absolutely and utterly completely finished and done. Yeah, they have to make sure that and even if it means delaying it for years, or if this phase or if this like roundabout, whatever you want to call it, doesn't even have them, it'll probably be worth it to just you got to say that. Then you can leave it in the realm of we'll never know that speculation. You don't know that it would fail or underperform, you know? Well, someone so somebody like John Walker, Lady Loki, Shuri, She-Hulk, Echo, Kate Bishop, Monica Rambo, Miss Marvel, Moon Knight, Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf by Midnight, Man Thing, America Chavez, Black Widow's sister, Red Guardian, Taskmaster, Daredevil, Lady Thor, Cassie Lang, Captain America, Falcon, Marvel's, Marvel's, Katie, Shang-Chi, the Five Eternals, Blade, basically someone just started typing them out.  There's maybe like four on that list that might get people's attention. But even then, even then, even. Oh, yeah.  The fact that this article exists is indicative of how much trouble Marvel's in. Yes, they felt bold enough and the information they have in there. Not all of it is like hyper confirmable, but a lot of it is a lot of stuff we already do. A lot of it is true, which is it's not doing well at lost money. And, you know, our sort of coverage has been on lots of different media, but we've definitely traced closely the the MCU, especially. It's kind of funny, right? In the timelines, like we were definitely hardcore tracing it as of end game. And we've basically seen in slow motion the entire fall and talked about the trajectory forever. And it's only now that like it seems to be everybody's sort of realizing what's going on. All the people who like really love the MCU, all the people who are working on the MCU, which is we know that publicly, but they would have known as well a lot earlier than we would imagine because they get all the numbers directly. Yeah, there's always that element of at the company, like, regardless of what they say publicly, they know the numbers. They know the truth. Well, it's kind of like how every single DC film that's been coming out, there's been an amount of, I guess, outward cope that needs to be displayed. Yeah, you have to put on a strong face. The reality is Aquaman, it's the end and it's going to be unceremonious and probably not going to do very well and we're done and we're moving on. But we need to we're excited for the next chapter and Aquaman's thing. And he's such a great actor. And it's going to lead into it's going to lead nicely into our reap.  Sorry, better luck.  It's it's not it's not relevant. It's pretty bad if I'm being honest. Yeah, and it's if you imagine where we were at, let's say post at the end of Infinity War, you have like a room filled. It's the it's the uncredits from Age of Ultron, all those statue-esque imagery of like all of the assets they have within the MCU.  We've been smashing, smashing, smashing. It's just like there's nothing in the room left now. It's all gone. So no wonder you're at this position. Like we can I think a lot of people could be like, oh, is it truly down to like, oh, they didn't do better will building in Falcon the Winter Soldier? And it's like kind of like every individual piece of bad writing throughout all of those projects has added up is kind of the point.  It's just like that little line about Iron Man not taking care of the Avengers, like in retrospect, it's like, that's tiny. And it's just another bit on top of everything. I mean, yeah, I mean, at Avalanche is a lot of snowflakes. Yep. So next there was a forum post. I don't know exactly what Si was. I think it might have been 4chan. But it's basically someone who's got relative insider knowledge on each of the productions of all the movies in the MCU. And I was looking through all of the random tidbits of information. Some of it I didn't know about and don't know if it's true. Some of it I know to definitely be true thanks to insider stuff. And then some of it is just interesting factoids about the production. So instead of me posting all the images, I can just go the direction of having if you can pull up the stream, I guess, freeing right. Well, you don't have to. You can just listen to me saying them anyway. But it starts with good old wait. So if you want to, you don't have to the way this is going to work is I'm going to say the name of the film and then read out the factoids that are from this this forum post was kind of interesting. OK, I guess I guess the thing that they got it. So you said this is from 4chan, right? Potentially, yes. I'm not exactly sure what the forum is.   Well, we'll see. I mean, I'd be curious what your thoughts will be once we get through all of these. I wonder what you'll think. Yeah, yeah. OK, I am. You are alternate post credits scene that was going to feature Nick Fury directly referencing radioactive spiders and assorted mutants as other cases that Shield was invested in or investigating, which I thought was interesting in terms of just the rights issues and they can still because do you remember there was there was a scene where Tony Stark was going to reference the arms he gave a doctor in New York or whatever? Or that that was originally going to be that there was an implication that Tony's yeah, there was going to be an implication that Tony Stark built the arms that Doc Ock has in Spider-Man 2. That would have been interesting, I suppose. I could like buy that as a premise. So just, you know, it's going to be a mix of things from this. But Tom Cruise was the original choice for Tony Stark with Timothy Oliphant, Sam Rockwell and Clive Owen being considered before Robert Downey Jr. was cast. I didn't actually know that. I knew the Tom Cruise one. I was thinking about like it's so crazy because in retrospect, Robert Downey Jr. is just the it just seems like the easy best choice. But apparently he was a fifth choice. Interesting. The movie was filmed mostly without a script with actors improvising most of their dialogue, which is stuff everyone knows. Production was so chaotic that the cast and producers expected the movie to be a disaster until test screenings were overwhelmingly positive. Again, it's kind of the thing we were talking about earlier. This sort of you could have like a damaged and difficult production, but it leads to something everyone loves. And then in retrospect, it looked like a scrappy and sort of big attempt to get a thing going and moving with lots of creative energy. But when it's the thing produces something bad, it's like seen as soulless, which I'm not saying is not true, because I'm pretty sure it is. Right? Like the production behind She-Hulk. I'm sure people were like happy when filming it. Probably. I mean, maybe they were all miserable. What with the VFX and the VFX people are always going to be miserable from what we can gather as other people's problem, not the people who showed up on set is the point that is banking. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, the actor probably had a good time because yeah, but the actors would be. Yeah. So, all right, over to Hulk. Norton demanded to rewrite the script, but most of his contributions were rejected and he frequently clashed with director Luis Latteria and the producers, which is pretty commonly known. He was a fan of the wire and added a subplot about a man played by Michael K. Williams, who reaches out to the Hulk during the Battle of Harlem. The subplot was almost entirely Curtin Williams' role reduced to a cameo. And this made me think about like Edward Norton's power when he was on when he was creating incredible Hulk. I wonder if he did have a pretty big amount of power, but he's still overstepped. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. Because this this is all sort of DNA of the issues in the MCU. There's loads of controversial and difficult things. Like it's all in or a lot of it is mentioned in the the reign of the MCU book. Yeah, because they never had like a it's almost sold as though the phase one and two times were like super smooth, peaceful and wonderful and that they nailed it because they planned it all. And it's like, no, no, absolutely not. Norton also added an extended comedic sequence where Banner interacts with a computer geek at his old laboratory, Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill and Jason Siegel were considered before Martin Star was cast and the scene was heavily trimmed. I don't even remember this. I don't remember this either. And I've seen that movie, I believe twice, maybe three times. Early draft feature Rick Jones as Banner's companion, but Norton disliked the character and wrote him out. Again, I didn't realize he had that kind of power. Maybe that was back in the yeah, because he was removed eventually, controversially as well as far as I'm aware. So it might have been that he managed to negotiate power in, but then I guess too much, which because you won't get that kind of power these days and it's part of what they I guess how they're falling apart. The movie originally featured Banner attempting suicide in the Arctic, but transforming into the Hulk and ended with shield finding a frozen Captain America after the Hulk had accidentally unearthed him.   The question is, do I believe that? Do I even believe this? Yeah. Well, that's the thing. We already there's a couple of combos in here of things that actually are definitely true, but this this would be if it were true, it would be very shit. And maybe that's why it was cut theoretically or at least changed. Maybe it could have been an idea that they were tossing around. I mean, it's kind of that seems like in the same vein as the Iron Man dock dock thing. But I see like that one. Oh, wait, people just say it did happen. It's real. It's even online. You can find it. I didn't even know this was interesting. OK. Yeah. It's apparently deleted scene that was released.  Oh, wow. I wouldn't want that. I guess it's good as to lead. There you go. Early cuts feature Hulk decapitating abomination, which changed due to negative reception at test screenings. So that one more time. Early cuts featured Hulk decapitating abomination, which was changed due to negative reception at test screenings. Oh, yeah, I could see that being especially with its depiction, it might be. But that's like to me, that's like super dependent on what selection of people you have, because I could I could totally see an audience like imagine a lot of people saying, like, wait, you got to see Hulk rip off like abominations head.  You know, they might not want to they might because this is still pretty early on. So maybe they don't want to set up expectations for that kind of violence and imagery. Also, yes, I hope you Tim Roth dead at that point. We wouldn't get to see him in She-Hulk. She-Hulk, exactly. So, you know, really. Ray Stevenson was considered for Emil Blonsky before Tim Roth was cast. Well, Ray Stevenson abomination could have been kind of cool. But the thing is, I don't know, that that character has not exactly been treated well in the MCU at all anyway. No, you could join the club. Toby Maguire would originally cameos Peter Parker bumping into Banner at Empire State University, but Sony rejected the idea. Oh, well, it's just sort of funny things that probably happened all the time. Hulk would originally be the main villain of the Avengers, hence the ending where Banner flashes a sinister smile as he begins to transform again. Oh, that ending, that is something that has always been in the back of my mind without films. It does end with him like the heartbeats going up. He's about to turn into Hulk and he smiles. And it's like, what am I supposed to get from that? That he's in control or not? So, yeah, apparently that was going to lead into him being the Avengers bagger, at least I think it was controlled by Loki or something like that, which is kind of some of that bleeds into the actual Avengers script. Iron Man 2, the movie would originally launch Phase 2, but it was rushed into production to capitalize on the success of the first film. Jon Favreau planned to adapt Demon in a Bottle, but the studio felt it was too dark and replaced Stark's alcoholism with the Palladium poisoning. That's hard to know whether or not that would have been a good decision. Iron Man 2 is known as one of the worst films of the, let's say, Phase 1 and 2, I guess, but at this point, it's not exactly that bad compared to how bad it gets. No, nobody even, not anymore compared to what we're at now. Early cuts featured Stark striking Pepper in a drunken rage, which was cut as it made him too unsympathetic. Yeah, that's difficult. That's a bit, yeah, that's, I don't wanna see that. The only way you could get that to work is making him very drunk and her saying something like really, really rough, but even then, yeah, that's not gonna work for audiences too well. Well, I mean, like, think about the, at the beginning of Doctor Strange 1, him and his relationship with, like, that was, yeah, sure, but like they, like, you know, he was pretty mean to her, he was a real jerk, but he was going through, you know, a really rough time. So, like, I think that was a, you know, a decent job at.   So, like, slaps at it, sort of.  And then even with all surgeries. You wouldn't be said that, I can only hit you so hard. First thing I do when I get my hands fixed is punch your lights out. Early cuts featured sexual tension between Stark and Black Widow, which was cut because it undermines Stark's relationship with Pepper, which is interesting, because I guess they mean more than is there, because there is a few references to that, but it's basically stopped as soon as she's Black Widow, or at least revealed, sort of thing. Terence Howard dropped out due to salary disputes, which was replaced by Don Cheadle, producer, Ike Pilmutter, claimed audiences wouldn't notice because all blacks look alike. Bro! Which is, you know, this is one of those ones that's like, gonna need citations for that one. I don't believe that one, I don't believe that one. There's no way, I don't believe that unless there's like a recording or something, because I just don't believe that. Yeah, I don't know if there's any corroboration for this from anyone else, but like that just, that's crazy, doesn't make any sense at all, because there's so many like famous black creators or artists at this point, what do you mean? Yeah, Jonathan Majors, Lawrence Fishburne, whatever, he is all the same, man. But people in chat are saying there are other sources that say this was true, not just, you know, like these are the places this is from. Mickey Rourke created an elaborate backstory for Vanco, but most of these scenes were cut. Rourke was displeased and sworn never to work with Marvel again. That's one of the ones that's more commonly known. He and several other actors have sworn off Marvel permanently after working with him. The cast improvised mostly dialogue again. Favre was unhappy with the movie due to the rush production and declined to direct and yet you came back for Star Wars. You came back for Star Wars and the Lion King, thanks bro. Well, it doesn't, isn't the picture painted so clearly that it's like, I can't work with you guys, you don't let people create and then eventually was like, well, I know what it means to work with you and I guess I'll do it. It's like, ooh, Thor, the movie was almost scrapped and Thor introduced in the Avengers as producers feared audiences wouldn't understand the character.  It's not that complicated.  It's like, it's gonna be between Hulk and Thor, I would have thought. Probably. They're pretty straightforward. Even, I mean, yeah, he's a guardian god or whatever, but I don't know if that's much of a stumbling block for people. And I don't think so. The movie was originally a dark epic set in the Viking age, but this was scrapped due to budget. Sounds like it could be cool. Yeah. Early drafts feature Thor's human alter ego, Dr. Donald Blake, Thor's brother, Boulder, Loki's lover, Amora and Sif and Heimdall being siblings. Actually, in retrospect, I think they really should have had Boulder. Super big. Things like hostability and opportunity that's foregone, you know? Those in chat who don't know, they actually reference him in the Loki show, season two, pretty cringe. Loki says nobody even remembers him. It's like, okay. Yeah, whatever. Whatever you say, Loki. Brian Blessed and Mel Gibson were considered for Odin before Anthony Hopkins was cast. Mel Gibson, Odin. Oh, Gibson. Mel Gibson, Odin. Maybe. Maybe. Brian Blessed, I can just see. Yeah, that's easy. I can see Brian Blessed, yeah. Mel Gibson, maybe. I, okay, all right. Not gonna say no. But I mean, Anthony Hopkins, if I'm picking between the three, I know who I'm picking. Alexander Townsend was originally cast as Fandral, but was fired after showing up drunk on the first day of filming. Chris Pratt and Zachary Levi were considered to replace him before Josh Dallas was cast. Oh, showing up drunk on a set. Yeah, I'm skeptical of like those kinds of claims because you never know, but maybe. Yeah, all of these are contextless claims, but a lot of them come from sources that apparently people in chat are vaguely aware of anyway. Captain America. Channing Tatum, Alexander Skarsgard, Garrett Hedlund, Scott Eastwood, Scott Porter, Mike Vogel, Michael Castee, Chase Crawford, Chad Michael Murray, Patrick John Fluger, Robert Buckley, Derek Theeler, Ryan McPartland, Teddy Sears, Ryan, is that Philippe? That is his name, isn't it? I think so, or is it Philippe? I think it's Philippe. Wilson, Bethel, Jensenackels, John Krasinski, Wyatt Russell, Chris Pratt, and Sebastian Stan were all considered for Steve Rogers before Chris Evans was cast.  We have that. I feel like a lot of people could be like Captain America. Though I'm glad Chris Pratt is the one we got. Oh yeah, I really like him as Karen. I'm glad Chris Pratt, yeah, I'm really glad he's Captain America. Evans declined the role twice due to nine-picture contracts offered by the studio before agreeing once it was reduced to six. I think that one is basically like definitely true. I think I remember seeing something about that recently. The Avengers. The original script features field assembling the Avengers to fight Hulk who'd been brainwashed by Loki before they joined forces to defend Earth from Loki and Frost Giants. Very different. That seems like it could be real because it's like a retooling of stuff that we got. Yeah, I could buy that. Yeah. The early cuts feature Thor reviving Iron Man with lightning after Iron Man falls from the whim. Whole Robert Downey Jr. Macrofellow ad-libbed the Hulk roaring to awaken Iron Man. I think if Thor revived the Toadie Stark with a lightning bolt, we would be like, what the fuck? Like, it's not healthy. Joaquin Phoenix was approached for Bruce Banner before Macrofellow was cast. Man. Joaquin Phoenix Hulk. What a different timeline. That would have made me think that's true. He's another actor that I imagine if they actually signed him on, he wouldn't let them... No, he would have fought harder for the role. Iron Man 3. Maya Hansen would originally be the villain, but Ike Pilmutter didn't believe a female villain would sell toys and changed it to Eldritch Killian. Yeah, yeah, how about that?  Maybe one or two people, I don't know. Yeah, how many people were eager for those toys? Early drafts feature Killian using extremists-enhanced pheromones to seduce pepper, record this sexual encounter, and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.  I don't like Iron Man 3, but I think it's better that it doesn't have this in it. Geez. Iron Man 3 was the last movie in Robert Downey Jr.'s original four-picture contract and was written as a definitive end for Stark. Should he not renegotiate to return in further installments? I suppose that makes the ending a little more, like it makes it make more sense. Makes more sense, because I was so confused when I saw that in the theatre, I'm like, wait, is it over? Is that it for Iron Man? I still, even as a... I guess if you have to create an ending this open-ended, but also an ending, it's like, that's why it looks that way, but like, I didn't like that even knowing that.  No, I don't like it either. For the Dark World, Patty Jenkins was originally directing the movie on Natalie Portman's recommendation. She later dropped out due to creative differences and Alan Taylor was hired, leading Portman to almost drop out in protest. Production was troubled with multiple script rewrites and frequent conflicts between Taylor and the producers, which is, yeah, that's pretty well-known. Well-known. Patty Jenkins would have made it, and I'm sure it would have been great. Yeah. Ella would originally... Man, isn't it crazy how quickly she went from like being able to do whatever she wanted to she's like got nothing going on anymore? Yeah. She almost got the Rogue Squadron stuff. Yeah. Ella would originally be the villain, but Ike Pilmutter didn't believe a female villain would sell toys and changed it to Malekith. Well, okay. So is this stuff from that book? So I'm definitely seeing like summaries of that book, the new one that came out that included this sort of stuff. Some of this stuff I'm aware of before the book even came out, so. Okay, right. But some of it could very much be from the book. I just remember I read a summary of some important like factoids from the book and I definitely remember seeing a couple of these sorts of things.  Nobody likes Malekith. No one remembers Malekith. Nobody likes Malekith at all. He was the villain from Thor 2. Thor 2. Yeah. Yes. The fact that you even know that means that you know better than the majority of people. Yeah, I'm almost proud of you to say that. And even then I was kind of so-so on it. I've seen that film once when it came out. But I guess I just remember it for some reason. In early drafts, Loki sacrificed himself for Thor, but due to characters newfound popularity after the Avengers, the ending was reshot to have Loki fake his death and usurp the throne of Asgard. Of course, yeah. Loki was almost out of the MCU from Thor 2. Wow, we wouldn't have had- Yeah, that's crannies, wild. Look at him go now. Motherfucker is the most important character in the whole universe. Yeah. Early drafts feature Malekith seeking revenge for a murder of his family at the hands of Thor's grandfather, Bohr. But the concept was scrapped. Chris Freckleston was displeased and swore to never work with Marvel again. Thor's grandfather's name is Bohr. Apparently. Okay. I'm not as familiar with Norse stuff. Early cuts feature Thor's rivalry with his warmongering cousin, Tyr, the commander of the Asgardian royal guard played by Clive Stamden. Most of his scenes were cut.  It was never- Yeah. It was never terrible, but it's like, hmm, hmm, hmm. Benedict Cumberbatch and Mads Mikkelsen were considered for Malekith before Eggelson was cast. Oh, imagine Cumberbatch being Malekith. And then that's it for him. That's it, yeah. What if they still brought him back as Doctor Strange? Well, I mean, they brought- No one remembers him. No one remembers Malekith. I think they did that right.  Let's get over something else. And then she got a turtle, which, you know, I don't know if that's up or down in terms of moving up the totem pole. Winter Soldier. Early drafts feature Phil Coulson as the Hydra Mole before he was killed in Avengers. Wow. Yeah. Imagine Phil Coulson today had to be evil.  It's so funny because they would have written that while Avengers was going on. They'd been like, oh, never mind. He's dead. Yep. Early drafts feature- I wonder how often that actually happens in the writer's room now. Why don't we get a, what is that Malekith? Why don't we bring him in? He's like, he's dead, sir. Did you watch the movies? Like, no. The what? I don't watch these movies. Nobody does. Early drafts feature Arnim Zola escaping from the bunker in a robotic body before it explodes. Um, okay. I'm picturing him like a terminator body. Just, he has that like epic jump as the bunker explodes. Yeah, that is technically not a super soldier. They were desperate to keep bringing back Zola. He was in the Agent Kata show as well. Oh. Guardians of the Galaxy. Nicole Pilman wrote the first draft of the script, which featured Richard Ryder becoming Nova and joining forces with Star-Lord to form the Guardians of the Galaxy and defend Xandar from Ronan the Accuser. Gun rewrote Pilman's script and attempted to get solo credit despite keeping many of Pilman's ideas, such as Star-Lord's love for 80s music leading to a lengthy WGA arbitration that saw them both credited for story and solely gun for the script. Interesting. That's interesting. I did not know about that, if that's true. Wow, I guess there was litigation that was reported on. Presumably is true, if it's called that, yeah. Pilman believed that the movie would flop and its failure would allow them to better control Kevin Feige. He was also against having a soundtrack of 70s, 80s classics. It is really funny, because, dude, I remember, I think I watched a video that was like, yeah, so phase two is going to have Guardians of the Galaxy. And I was like, what is that? Guardians of the Galaxy? I almost want to be fair to Pilman over this and be like, listen, this was an actual, like, what the hell? Not the soundtrack part. I feel like you're safe on that one. No, just the fact that it even exists, because I remember it's Amanda Sifere. He said that she was going to, she got offered Gamora, but she turned it down because she didn't want to be part of what she thought could be Marvel's first failure, like the MCU's first failure, which is interesting. What a different timeline. What's I think the most interesting thing is if it's true that if Guardians had failed, it's Pilmutter vs. Feige, which I've heard before. That seems to me, I've heard about that, yeah, that they were fighting for control of Marvel Studios, basically. Civil War is where Pilmutter is ousted, essentially, right? Yeah, as I understand it anyway. Early cuts feature Gamora reluctantly killing Nebula during the Battle of Xandar. Wow, that's a, so no Nebula. No Nebula, which she's super important with a bunch of future stuff. Oh, well, she was one of the better characters for a while there. Yeah. Age of Ultron. Production was troubled with multiple script rewrites and frequent conflicts between Joss Whedon and the producers, which again is pretty well known. Yeah, just well known, just, yeah, obviously. The original script features the government creating Ultron and disbanding the Avengers who have assembled once again when Ultron goes rogue and decides to destroy humanity. Government create Ultron and then disband the Avengers and they have to assemble to defeat Ultron.  Yes, that changes everything that comes afterward. I wonder if fans would have hated, unless they had Hank Pym creating it with the government? Maybe people would have liked that more. Maybe, yeah, that's a very different story. Early drafts feature Ultron modeled after Tony Stark's neural patterns, abomination as Ultron's enforcer, Ultron invading Wakanda to steal Vibranium, Ultron drones combining to form a mecha Ultron for the final battle. Do you remember, do you remember that gap? The gagged family guy where Joe created like a mecha out of disabled people? Yeah, yeah, I was a little curious. And then he shot them with wheelchair like Gannon, said Peter. And Captain Marvel and Spider-Man were among the recruits for the new Avengers as early as Age of Ultron, eh? Which makes some sense, because Spider-Man is up next anyway, right, with Civil War. The subplot about Thor investigating Infinity Stones was added on executive demand, but later mostly cut as test audience disliked it. No surprise there. Nobody wants to watch the main plot and then suddenly Thor is looking out for Stones. It's like, okay. Yeah. The Avengers visions in Hawkeye's farmhouse were nearly cut to streamline the plot and tighten the pacing, which again, yeah.  I wouldn't be willing to cut the Avengers visions. The Hawkeye farmhouse stuff, there's probably a better way to, it does last a bit, especially Hawkeye's seems. Yes, that's, well, because I mean, he did it to, I mean, the angle was, yeah, Hawkeye's the heart of the team. It's like, come on, man. Yeah, that was cringe, that scene. Because it's so overcompensating for the first one, which it was, his role in the first one was fine. It didn't need to be bigger. It was fine. You had a movie to make. A lot of characters, I get it. In early cuts, Banner would ultimately reject Black Widow and she would trigger his transformation into Hulk by lying about having never truly loved him. What? That feels like something that you'd have to work long and hard to get me to buy. I'm glad they changed it, because that sucks, I think. Whose idea was that? Don't know. In early cuts, Loki appeared in Thor's vision to warn him about Ragnarok, but this was cut as test audiences mistakenly assumed it meant Loki was controlling Ultron. What, okay. I don't even know how you'd make that mistake. Yeah. But okay. Oh, wait, let's, all right. And now, we're up to Civil War. And through this timeline, quick. Early drafts feature a larger role for Spider-Man and a smaller role for Black Panther when the deal between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures initially fell through. Black Panther's role was expanded. Marvel and Sony later reached an agreement and Spider-Man was reinserted in a smaller role. I find that super interesting because Black Panther is super important to Civil War. Like, the story in there is really good. It's a good character too. Yeah, and I just, I like the amount that was used for both of them. Ike Pilmutter initially refused to pay Robert Downey Jr. for more than a cameo before Feige managed to overturn his decision. During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russo's created an alternate third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon, the mad bomb, which compels people into murderous rampages. Civil War was gonna be very different at certain stages. Yeah, I mean, we've heard the comic book version. Yeah, Pilmutter initially refused to have Captain America and Iron Man fight and demanded that they join forces against Zemo and the Hydra super soldiers in the end, leading to a conflict with Feige that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Pilmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige gained complete control over the movies. There it is.  A little bit, a little bit. They need something that can compete with it. And it's like, yeah, the Civil War storyline is getting pulled and pushed all over the place by different people. And I guess something snapped and they had to make a decision. Pilmutter also demanded that Giant Man be removed from the script for being too silly. The Russo's created an alternate version of the airport scene with Scarlet Witch telekinetically blows up the underground pipeline to create a diversion for Captain America and Winter Soldier to escape before Feige overturned Pilmutter's decision. I don't know why I think Giant Man is too silly. Yeah, I'm not sure why I think that at all. Yeah, never came across to me as silly. I'm pretty sure fans love that part. It's like reasonable use of his powers and his abilities, you know? One of the favorite moments of that film for a lot of people. Early cuts feature an alternative opening where Ozimo obtains a notebook with Bucky's trigger phrases by killing a tendency of an underground auction for hydro assets with poison gas. Which sounds fine. That's probably good work. Doctor Strange. Early cuts feature a darker tone that was poorly received by test audiences leading to reshoots to add more humor. Ah, cool, thanks. How many times have we heard that? It's such a common thing of it was cool and then test audiences did like it. They made it labor. Have we ever heard that a movie was too funny and they had all like too goofy? I'm not sure if I've ever seen a thing like that. Maybe tonally is the closest you can get to that.  Well, yeah, that's why it's like goofy, right? Like as a test audience ever said, like, no, you need to make this more serious. I don't know. So I always hear about them saying you need to make it more funny. Yeah, exactly. It's only ever it's too dark. It's too serious to be more funny. Early cuts feature a subplot about stranger sister Donna, who falls into a frozen lake while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut. Would have benefited. It would have benefited MOMs to have that day in the film.  He's like, this is a story about my daughter that motivated me to want to save people. Like, oh. His sister, you mean? Oh, sorry. Yeah, his sister. Benedict Cumberbatch initially declined the role of Stephen Strange due to scheduling conflicts. Mads Mikkelsen, Joaquin Phoenix, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhaal, Tom Hardy, Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Oscar Isaac Keanu Reeves, Matthew McConaughey, Ewan McGregor, Justin Thoreau and Ryan Gosling were all considered. Wow, all right. What a selection. I'm curious about a Mads Mikkelsen Doctor Strange, man. That would have been. The multiverses of all the different actors we've gotten for these characters. That would have been wild. Tony Todd was considered to voice Dormammu before Cumberbatch himself was cast. I didn't actually know Cumberbatch did voice Dormammu. Oh, yeah, he did, he did, oh. Tony Todd would have been a good choice, too, though. Oh, yeah, he's got a cool voice, but there he is minimum in the game. Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Jason of Spartax would originally be Star Lord's father, but Joss Whedon argued that being the heir to an intergalactic empire would make Star Lord less relatable. I'm not sure where I'd sit on that. Yeah, I got nothing for that, really. Because the whole, I don't think it changes anything about how we relate to Star Lord, because it would obviously, he wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't have affected him. He wouldn't have to change his history or his character, he is who he is. Yeah. Director James Gunn added ego as Star Lord's father before learning that the character's rights belonged to 20th Century Fox. The studio eventually traded ego to Marvel Studios in exchange for changing Negasonic Teenage Warhead's powers in Deadpool. What an interesting deal. That's an interesting deal. We will give you ego if you give us a change to... Specifically, different powers for one of the characters in Deadpool. Yeah. It's... Ike Pilmutter was against ego being the villain as he believed audiences wouldn't accept Kurt Russell in such a role. Why didn't there so many of them? Ike Pilmutter had some bizarre perspective. Maybe we're only hearing about the bizarre ones and he made lots of normal ones too. Maybe. Because that is, like, isn't that part of why it works? That he's charming? It would be because Kurt Russell is like the villain. I mean, yeah, exactly. What I'm saying is like, you can believe that ego got to where he was because he's good at manipulating people and that Kurt Russell's charming. That's like why it works. Exactly. Early Cuts feature a sixth post-credits scene. I don't know, sixth. Sixth? In which Gamora and Mantis hear the screams of one of the ravages who appears by Yondu's arrow and has presumably been forgotten and is screaming in agony since then. What? Okay. But why? Early Cuts feature Star-Lord pointing out that ego looks like one of his favorite actors, Kurt Russell, indicating that ego deliberately adopted Russell's appearance to earn Star-Lord's trust. No. I don't think so. I don't want that. What would you guys argue is why you shouldn't do that? There's something about it that just seems like strange. Yeah, it's like my gut instinct is like no way. And then there's an element where I'm like, like the specific reason. I feel like it's starting to acknowledge that now what about all the other people who play these roles, but now they're real people too in this world. Yeah, I would say it's just one little notch on the level of reminding me about the real world or connecting us to it. It's like, don't stop. We've got plenty and we don't need that. Matthew McConaughey was approached to play ego, but ultimately declined and Kurt Russell was cast at Chris Pratt's suggestion. Liam Neeson and Gary Oldman were also considered. Yeah, I feel like Kurt Russell is the best out of the lot for that role. I would say. He did a great job. Spider-Man Homecoming. Peter would originally accept Stark's offer and reveal his secret identity to the world, which would be in line with the comics, right? Civil War comics? And the comics is for Civil War, right? He revealed his identity, but yeah. But obviously, I prefer the decision in the arc that he goes on. Early Drafts featured Tooms. Yeah, I'm very happy with that. Adrian Tooms is gonna be Peter's teacher, not Liz's father, which I think could work.  Yeah. Early Drafts feature Happy Hogan telling Peter that Stark told him to tell Peter something about how with great power comes dot, dot, dot, but wouldn't be able to remember the rest of the phrase. Oh, don't. Yeah, don't make a joke out of that, please. No. Thank God they didn't go with that. Yeah. Michael Keaton initially declined the role of Adrian Tooms due to scheduling conflicts, but Marvel Studios is able to accommodate a schedule. Michael Shannon and John Leguizamo were also considered. I mean, I don't know. I really like Michael Keaton as Vulture. Michael Keaton did a great job. I just found it. Just him in that car. Watching more of him. I really like Michael Keaton as an actor, anyway. Like, he's just, he's a good actor. He's a really good actor. He just nails it every time. So like Michael Shannon and John Leguizamo, maybe, but I'm sorry, guys. I don't know if you can. I don't know if you can do Michael Keaton. I only think of John Leguizamo as Sid the Sloth. That's fair. Thor Ragnarok, the original script had a darker tone, but Waititi decided to write a new draft when he signed on. Not a surprise. Early cuts feature Thor and Loki finding Odin living as a deranged hobo in the streets of New York after his retirement home was demolished and he'd die in a seedy alleyway whereupon Hella would arrive to confront Thor and Loki.  I think that one's true.  Wow, I can't believe they didn't have that. Yeah, because someone's mentioned it. I think it was in one of the trailers where Hella first appears. She's in like an alleyway, but obviously in the movie it's in Norway. Good God, man. Damn. Tyker. Tyker, what are you doing? Did they, do you think it was that they'd stop this but then they gave him full control with love and thunder? So all the bad ideas. And then you get infinity codes, that's what you get. This is true to mythology, sorry. He died in an alleyway in New York. In an alleyway? Yeah, the Vikings are all about it. If you mean that Hella shows are. Or do they mean in the comics? Oh, well, I don't care. That sounds awful. It's, that would be incredibly difficult to do well.  Oh yeah, yeah, the Norse myths in the poetic editor. It's just like and Thor dying drunk in an alleyway. Odin dying drunk in an alleyway. It would be funny if this was Norse mythology though. They were very predictive.  So this is the interesting part. Anthony Hopkins originally declined to return due to poor experiences filming Thor the Dark Wild, but was won over by Waititi's unconventional approach for the project. All right, I guess he probably liked the idea of playing goofy. Or did maybe? Maybe, yeah. Cause I will say, obviously that's one of our, like that's one of my favorite jokes in all of the MCU is Anthony Hopkins playing Loki playing Odin.   I could buy that he was tempted by that. And they were like, that's, that's essentially like half the role already. Like the other half is saying goodbye. Yeah, you don't have to show up much. Black Panther. Kugler wanted to use Craven in the movie, but couldn't because the characters rights belonged to Sony. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Now some of these are short cause the factoids was rather like meh in terms of just stuff we know. Infinity War. Valkyrie would lead half the Asgardians to safety during Thanos' attack. Oh, I mean, it is a odd thing, right? Of like, cause it was kind of something that was looming. It's like, wait, where are the other, where is she? Where is West? It's kind of awful to think about the Asgardians cause their world has just been ravaged over and over again. Their population just, you know, scattered and destroyed over and over again. And then their fate is to just be made fun of in Love and Thunder. Yeah. Yeah. I hate it. Yeah. Iron Man would wear Doctor Strange's cloak of levitation and Doctor Strange would wear Iron Man's armor to fight Ebony Mora aboard the Q ship. Yeah, I don't know about that. I'm not sure. It depends on the context for how that would have worked cause obviously the nanotech can form around anybody. There's a way this could function, but I don't know. It seems a little too slapdash. Yeah, you'd have to, the idea of the Iron Man's, yeah. Doctor Strange is in a position where he's about to die. Those spikes are all going into him.  And Iron Man thinks the only way I can save him is to throw the nanotech to him to protect him like as a suit of armor.  And then the cloak goes over to Iron Man and saves him. Like I can, there's something. I was like, you can maybe make it work temporarily, but it's going to be pretty forced. Maybe they do something where he puts the Iron Man suit on someone else so that they think it's him. That's another kind of way you could do something. Yeah, and that's like, because they can do the voice changing thing, he could be, he could do that no problem.  It's Doctor Strange. Or, you know, maybe, maybe. The real Tony Stark is doing something else. You know how they blow the hole? And then like, maybe it's that, I don't know, like he gets blasted out into space so he's got to send the suit out to save him. Oh, yeah, something like that. There are ways. It's just that we would all be like, okay, you wanted them to switch there. Yeah, I get it. Sorry. The Banner and Hulk would merge into Professor Hulk and burst out of the Hulk Buster during the battle of Wakanda. Yeah, that's just absolutely true. That's just unknown.   Way better than nothing, though. It's better than him just showing up and then dabbing. Oh, that's it. Wow, Fringy, Fringy, are you not a fan of the dab? I'm not a fan of it, but when he does it. Oh, Thanos would wear a tear, Drax and Mantis' souls from their bodies and Doctor Strange would have to retrieve them while Spider-Man protects their bodies. Oh, because he had the souls. That's kind of cool. There's something there. I like, Doctor Strange has to go to like, some kind of spiritual realm, obviously. Maybe to the astral. Plain, yeah. And there's a lot of visual you can do there and like, creatures trying to get a hold of Drax and Mantis, he has to save them. And then, you know, at the same time, in a similar environment, kind of like how Lord Zavola does it. You have Spider-Man protecting the bodies from just Thanos' attacks in general. That could be something that's pretty cool. Yeah. Captain Marvel would join the Battle of Titan after following Thanos' trail of destruction across the galaxy and survive alongside Iron Man, Nebula and Nova. But they delayed her appearances, which this was mentioned as a thing, that there was cuts that she had more of a role, but they reduced it. Well, I mean, I'd be reducing it as much as possible. We'd be removing it. This is a great thing to play harder. Well, yeah, but if they told me I had to put her in, it'd just be probably what they did in Endgame, get her out of the way. And then, yeah, she shows up. Well, maybe it would just be the thing where she just shows up late. Remember when Professor Frigg showed up late for the short stories of Springfield? Yeah. Just have that Peter Frigg. Yes, early. Wait, wait, wait. As the credits start rolling, Professor, I guess, Captain Marvel, make you laugh, make you think. That monkey is going to pay. Wait, what was it? Was it the monkey or I? I can't remember, but I know you eat the credits play over and talk at jazz.  Ant-Man and the Wasp. Early drafts feature an alternate third act where monsters from the quantum realm escape into the world and begin wreaking havoc. One would damage the Golden Gate Bridge, forcing Ant-Man and his giant form to use his arms as a ramp for cars to drive over and reach safety. You know what?  Yes, throw it in. Just do whatever. I mean, at least he can be a hero and use his powers and stuff. Captain Marvel. Keanu Reeves was originally cast as Yon-Rogg, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Jude Law. I don't know if that, what would that even, would that give the film more like, would people be like, ooh, Keanu Reeves, like, does he have enough star power to like flip it at all in terms of. I don't know. I don't know, Keanu Reeves, probably not. But yeah, that's a bullet dodge from Keanu Reeves there. Yeah. Instead he got to be John Wick. Well, that's obviously been better for his career than being Yon-Rogg. Oh yeah, absolutely. Avengers Endgame. The Avengers would spare old Thanos. I've heard this from a couple of other places as well. I'm not sure how it works. They just leave him on his little planet, I guess. I don't know. You feel like that feels unfinished a little, but sure, maybe. Thor would become a bloodthirsty intergalactic warrior hunting down what's left of Thanos' army. Yes, why didn't they do this? On his sword. No, Fat Fortnite player. Fat Fortnite. Fortnite. Thor, Fat Knight. Yeah, so.  This is just sad, the idea, because I can believe this was totally the initial idea because it just matches the end of Infinity War. It makes total sense and I guess maybe someone said bad. That's a bit dark, isn't it?  Who's perfect? Who's perfect? I cannot believe that got approved. Yeah. What, Fat Thor playing Fortnite? War Machine and Nebula would retrieve the power stone from an underwater temple filled with sea monsters in Morag, 2014. Okay, that doesn't really mean anything to me at all. What a monster, it just sounds kind of funny, like. Yeah. Okay, Black Widow and Hawkeye would fight Thanos' army in 2014, Volmer and Hawkeye sacrifices himself to grant Black Widow the soul stone. I remember there was talks about whether or not it was gonna be, it was tough to figure out which one of those two would die. That's a tough choice, cause both of them work. It's like the only thing in that film that I would consider just categorically, unequivocally, like, excellent. Sometimes I wonder with stuff like that, if it really does come down to like, well, do we just flip a coin, guys?  Hank Pinn and Janet Van Dyne would join the final battle in their original suits and an army of giant ants. I wonder if they were like, there's just too much stuff going on. Yeah, maybe. I would have liked to see him in his Ant-Man suit at least one more time though, but I don't even know if we'll get to see him at all anymore. I don't know if that's gonna be an Ant-Man for this, right? No. Oh, I thought you meant like, they don't make suits anymore. All right, that's one, yeah. Falcon and Winter Soldier would fight Corvus Glaive in the final battle, Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch would fight Ebony Moore, and Hulk would fight Thanos in the final battle. Oh my God, Rematch, round two.  No, they didn't, so it's not worth anything. No, it was just, it's just the kind of stuff where sometimes you wonder like, how do you miss out on a payoff like that? It's like they didn't, they knew it and then they cut it or they just moved on from it because I don't know, time, CG, whatever. The original six Avengers would sacrifice themselves to defeat Thanos together. Oh, what, like a sort of guy into the galaxy pay off? Like all of them. But they all die, I don't know, that sounds crazy. I don't think I'd do that. Well, I think if it's six people, then they shouldn't die. It just feels like if it was all six of them, then they would have been fine, you know? Yeah, I'm trying to, like how would that work? I guess Iron Man has the glove on them and they all hold him sort of thing or something. But I guess that's what I'm saying. It feels like it should be like Guardians, right? Where that's, unless someone in chat said a stone for each. Maybe, yeah. I don't know if this is true though, like is this? Well, that can't even work if you've had Hulk. Or I guess you could argue Hulk was at like half health or something and so it killed him. But again, I don't know about this. I figured that it was always the plan for Tony to die. Well, my point of view on this would just be that, I don't know if that's too much of a waste.  Just cutting off potential future stories. Yeah, just the poisonous standpoint is like, oof. Well, creative standpoint. There's so many stories to tell. I don't even necessarily think it's time for Tony Stark to die, you know? But like that one works. It's just that, you know, we're in a world where we can't get all of his stories far from home. Early drafts feature the real Nick Fury and Maria hell, but they were later changed into Talos and Soren, masquerading as Fury and hell to justify how Mysterio was able to deceive them, which is kind of funny because that was, I think when we saw it, I legit was like, oh, that makes more sense.  But Talos did everything. All of his accomplishments were Talos's. So it just goes to show the mindset has changed. WandaVision, the series would originally follow the Falcon and Winter Soldier, but was moved up as filming was further along when COVID started, which, yeah, we know that. The series would originally have 10 episodes. The final two episodes could not be finished due to the release change and were re-edited into one for release. Yeah, that's a, that's scant. Well, the further the show goes on, the more weird it gets in terms of just like clearly rushing whatever the hell's going on. The writers considered bringing back Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Quicksilver before deciding to use Evan Peters as a gag.  That was one of the bigger hits to the overall reputation of the MCU because people were like, you used him as a gag? And it's like, uh-oh. People thought it would be meaningful. It wasn't. Dr. Strange would originally be trying to contact Wanda through the WandaVision commercials. Oh, such a shame because that would have been cool. Yeah. Oh, well. Can't be having him in there. The finale originally featured Dr. Strange meeting Wanda to set up Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, but this was cut when the movie was delayed to 2022.   Black Widow, early drafts features appearances by Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury. Oh, wow. Pro would have helped the film, you know? People would be like, ooh. Taskmaster was originally Tony Masters, a missionary employed by the Red Room to train the Black Widows. He was changed into Antonia Drakov to give Taskmaster an emotional connection to Natasha Romanov. You know that that's a very emotional connection.  Why wouldn't it be, why, why, why, why? As if you need to have a direct relationship between her and Taskmaster. But I could believe that when they'd be like, yeah, that's good writing is what that is. He can't just be a person who comes into conflict with her. You can't just be a, well, we talked about it. He should have been, if not, you know, in phase four as a whole thing. Yeah, it's just cool. He's a mercenary, works for money. That's as strict as that. Yeah. Drakov would originally be executed by the Black Widows, but this was considered too violent and changed to Yelena blowing up his plane. All right, okay. I don't know about that. I mean, I feel like it's how you do it. Yeah, you could probably, if they all surrounded him and he's just here screaming, you know, that's not violent. Or closed, or at least, yeah. If they got cleaned and he was in the room, then they all came to their senses and then, yeah, it was like, it's all in the depiction.  The matter of connection, though, of the whole like it's too dark.   Yeah. You know? And like, that wasn't considered too violent. And that's, you know, yeah, I don't know. What happened to you? This is a great question. What happened? Falcon the Winter Soldier. The series would originally have eight episodes and precede WandaVision, which changed due to COVID pandemic. A storyline. Yeah, that's the story. Yeah. A storyline scrapped due to pandemic reportedly featured the flag smashes attempting to use a bio weapon to wipe out half of Earth's population. Oh God, because they were, because I liked the Thanos world. So that was their plan, was it?  Man, I mean, unfortunately, I could imagine that that was, wasn't it said that because of like COVID pandemic that things did change and that there was certain, you know? Yeah. Like, the subject matter changed because of that. I guess what I've got is just like, what is happening in your head where you think you can make the flag smashes and want to wipe out half of Earth's population and you get people to be like- And you still want the audience to be somewhat sympathetic, so they're like, remember- He was like, you can't call Carly a terrorist. It's like, okay. Should have just called him Hamas and people would have liked him.  Early drafts feature John Walker as an ambitious and belligerent soldier who believes himself to be better than Steve Rogers and antagonizes Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes. I find this funny because the implication is that he's not those things in the show, even though everyone treats him as though he is, those things. Like, he is obsessed with himself. He could driven and antagonize everybody when- The thing, our guy, Mr. Walker over there, he's probably gonna get ruined further on, but... It's just nice, you know? It's nice that he made it out of that show, that's all. There were plans to give Sam the power to talk- There were plans to give Sam the power to talk to birds and the ability to throw the shield with his wings. Plans to have given the power to talk to birds. That was a bad guy, summons the birds! This is when we're just like, no, no, no, no. Don't away. Talk to birds. Don't away. I don't buy that one for a second.  There were plans to feature New York City heroes such as Spider-Man during the final battle against the smag flashes. Is this smag flashes? Yeah, we talked about that.  But oh well. He was talking to birds! No, he's talking to spiders. Spider-Man! The new title was originally Captain America and the White Wolf, but producers felt that it could confuse audiences. That one's true.  Yeah, but I don't care. I would have committed if it were me. But it's too narratively relevant. This whole point, he's not the Winter Soldier anymore. He doesn't want to be the Winter Soldier. The Winter Soldier's a horrible, missionary. Why would it confuse audiences? Well, like Rags just said, nobody knows everyone knows him as Winter Soldier, not as the White Wolf. But the whole point of that show is to move him from X to Y, so. Why would- Yeah, you know. Loki! The series would originally have only one season and follow Loki as he manipulates Earth's history to his benefit. Early drafts feature Loki escaping shortly after the TVA captures him, because of course he would. Exploring the timeline, assembling the Infinity Gauntlet and conquering the universe. But he cannot enjoy it due to knowing there's no free will and ultimately surrenders to the TVA once again. The only edit I would need to make to that to buy it is that he surrenders himself, because he wants to take over the TVA. Yeah. That seems like it's way more in line with his actual character. Well, yeah, this is- I would have watched that 100% more, yeah. Early drafts feature all Loki variants trapped in the void, joining forces to defeat Alioth, the big fart cloud, because they all refuse to let one of them be better than the others. Okay. Giancarlo Esposito was considered for classic Loki before Richard E. Grant was cast. Oh, okay. I don't know if- I mean, I thought Richard E. Grant was pretty, he was a pretty great part of that terrible, terrible show.   Very much. Shang-Chi. He's a totally goss. Yeah. Ant-Man would originally appear as both he and Shang-Chi live in San Francisco. I love these, like, statements that are just obviously they should happen, but then they just don't, like, oh, okay. Early drafts feature Shang-Chi and Katie becoming a couple. Okay. I think, yeah. Early cuts feature Razor Fist, sacrificing himself to save Katie during the Battle of Tal-Lo, giving her the necessary strength to injure the Dweller in darkness with her enchanted arrow. How? Did you know the Dweller is the name of one of the mage people in Rings of Power? One of the white people, one of them was. Wow. Yeah, that's thrilling. So just so everyone knows, obviously not the YouTuber, Razor Fist, but the, now it is, the character with the blade on his arm that's super cool. He sacrifices himself for Katie. Don't know why that would happen. And then that gives her the necessary strength to injure the big dragon thing. That movie wasn't fantastic. I'll just leave that there. Eternals. Early drafts feature the love triangle between Icarus, Cersei, and Druig that led to Druig's departure. The actors improvise the romance between Druig and Makari. Unfortunately, Fringy literally just left. He's the only one that could actually acknowledge this, because me and Ranks haven't seen Eternals. We've already heard his summary of it, so all right. Earlier cuts feature the bleaker alternative ending where Arashim recaptures the Eternals, erases their minds as punishment for their rebellion and sends them to a distant planet to prepare for another emergence, but it was poorly received by test audiences. That one doesn't surprise me. If you had the entire journey that all the characters went on in a film, erased from their memory at the end, and then they sent to a different planet, that does feel a little bit anticlimactic, I guess. Yeah, I'd be like, what, okay, all right.  It's like the anti-No Way Home. Alternative versions of the mid-credits scene featured Cersei, Kingo, and Fastos being recruited for the Avengers or confronted by Kang. How interesting. Orc Eye. The project would originally be a movie before becoming a television series. This has happened in both directions many, many times. Yeah, I'm sure those kinds of things, they discuss all the time, all the Marvel people, and like, a movie, TV show, how are we gonna blur money this time? Early cuts feature an alternative mid-credits scene where Kingpin, blinded but alive after being shot by Maya receives Ronin's sword as a warning from Barton not to threaten his family. Good God, I don't even know if this would make it better or worse. It's the whole like Kingpin from the Daredevil show where Rags is played by, fuck, why am I blanking on the actor's name? That's unfortunate. Funny enough, we saw him recently, Rags, in rings. He was the bad guy in rings. He was the Donoffrio, that's it. Vincent Donoffrio. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, we watched rings, everybody. It sucked. Yes, but he's brought in as Kingpin and killed, as far as people know, in the original version, but this version, he's blinded but alive after being shot in the face, I guess. This is obviously what people want for Kingpin. Spider-Man, no way home. The original script featured Kirsten Dunst, Mary Jane Watson, Emma Stones, Gwen Stacy, both versions of Aunt May, played by Rosemary Harris and Sally Field in the original J. Jonah Jamison played by J. K. Simmons. Yep, I think this was all stuff people are aware of. They would have been playing with all kinds of keys with that film and get them all in. The original script featured six villains before Sony decided to save the Sinister Six for later and Dane DeHans, Green Goblin, Paul Giamatti's Rhino, Michael Keaton's Vulture, Jake Gyllenhaal's Mysterio and Craven were considered for the sixth villain. Craven, the Hunter. I mean, well, he's getting his own movie now. Everyone's very hyped for that. Who's gonna be in the movie with him?  I feel like Safreen would be able to answer that question because now I'm wondering, who's in the Craven film, everybody? It's not like Spider-Man or Venom, right? Is nobody? Unfortunately, due to... No, I can't say it, never mind. Fringy, who's in the Craven film? Anybody we know or is it just Craven? Russell Crowe. No, like characters. What, Russell Craven? And Calypso, I think, and... Wow. Well, all right. The original script for No Way Home was set after Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and featured America Chavez casting the spell and Spider-Man needing Doctor Strange's book of spells to send the villains home. This is basically all but confirmed. And this is a strict improvement. There was concept art. Yeah, this is better. Instead of please, I want people to not know about this so change the whole world's mind. This kind of does a couple of things. America accidentally casting a done-ass spell that can do serious damage is good for her character almost because she's boringly like lame. But you can have that weighing on her.  Like, you know, that creates the conflict between us. Like, this sounds like it makes a lot more sense that this was the foundation of the film, compared to what we got. Yep. Maguire asked for minimal reveals about his Peter Parker's life after Spider-Man 3 while Garfield suggested his Spider-Man went down a darker path after the death of Gwen Stacy in Amazing Spider-Man 2.  Darker is worse as we've known across this. That's right. It has been indicated by test screenings in that pearl-modded guy. More jokes. In Early Draft, Strange would recruit the Spider-Man to help Tom Holland's Peter Parker. They would visit classic moments from Maguire and Garfield's films during their fight. Yeah, I don't need that. No, I don't need it. I remember the movies. Thanks. In Early Drafts, Holland's Peter would ask Adrian Toomes for help procuring the necessary technology to cure the villains. That was always a tough problem to solve because they got the... What was it called? The fabricator or whatever? That machine that just can solve any problem by creating anything? The magical cure-all machine, which is not great. Not great. In Early Drafts, the Green Goblin would mind control the other villains and the final battle would revolve around freeing them from his influence. How would Green Goblin control their minds? Well, his sci-fi, magic, whatever. He makes a serum, he stabs him with a thingy, and it's uncontrolled juice, and it doesn't seem like his wheelhouse. Early Drafts featured post-credits scenes of the Spider-Man returning to their own universes. Probably don't need that. Moon Knight. Early Cuts features Spectre confronting his mother, Wendy Spectre, in a field of reeds and alternating between himself and Grant as he overcomes his trauma and manages to forgive her. This is tough for us because you don't have to try and remember. Like all these names are. Whether or not that would... Because it was his mother's abuse that traumatized him, right? Yes, he adopted alternate personality, yeah. And so would... It was a defense mechanism against his mother's abuse. And I think there's something about the mother dying or them being estranged in some way and not having catharsis on that relationship that maybe seems appropriate for the kind of tragedy of his familial situation. Yeah, and it would depend on whether or not we're supposed to assume that would actually be her or is that something that he's projecting or something? No idea. Yeah, I'm not sure. Early Drafts feature Harrow and Amit invading London with a pyramid emerging in Trafalgar Square with lightning and sandstorms ravaging the city. I can totally believe that's true. Well, look at what they put in the actual show. Look, a pyramid right in Trafalgar Square. Isn't that incredible? Wow. Kaiju fight at the Giza. And the pyramids, yeah. MOM time. Scott Derrickson would direct, would drop out due to scheduling conflicts. Mike Flanagan and Jennifer Kent were considered to replace him before Sam Raimi was hired. Oh, wow. The guy that Mike Flanagan would have replaced, it's like, yeah, but you would have been... It would have been novel, right? Yeah, I don't know what that looks like. Because I wonder... I wanna know what it looks like. Yeah, because it depends on what port... Yeah, I would have loved to have seen the difference because we could even see by looking at Mike Flanagan and Sam Raimi's differences, which things were set in stone, like the things they both have. Also, this is interesting because Scott Derrickson left because he couldn't make the movie he wanted, right? Is that basically what it was?  He does come across that way. Derrickson's version would feature Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch joining forces to protect America Chavez from nightmare and end with Wanda going evil. Raimi later decided to focus on Wanda as the villain. I have heard that before. Well, we've got that. We've also got Waldron claiming that he wanted Wanda as the villain. Thanks, guys. Yeah, good job. He was already in trouble after WandaVision but having to double down at ghetto being a villain after apparently overcoming a villain arc. You have Derrickson basically say like we need a whole movie to get it to that point. They were like, nah, it's fine. No, it don't. Fine. Early drafts feature Iron Monger and Baldr the Brave as members of the Illuminati. They were later replaced by Mist Fantastic and Black Bolt. The Wasp, Kill Monger, Neymour and Ghost Rider were also considered. I've definitely heard about the Baldr, the Brave one. Definitely heard about that. Early drafts feature more variants of Strange including Street Magician, Melvin Strange. Melvin Strange. It'll be funny, goofy. Why is it that Melvin? Melvin just seems like a goofy name. It opens a lot of great name. It's a goober name, isn't it? He's the brother of the Joker. Do you guys know about that? Melvin, brother of the Joker. I remember a gag in that Scooby Doo movie where there was a guy called Melvin Doo. I remember that. Melvin, brother of the Joker is possibly one of the cringiest jokes in the history of humanity. I mean, so you're not going to be surprised where I start this story, but you know, nostalgia critic. I've heard of him, yeah, once or twice. Yes.   And it's just him going, Melvin, Melvin, brother of the Joker. It's like, oh, you can find it on YouTube with ease. The whole internet was just like, stop it. No, it's really funny. Melvin, whatever the name, Melvin comes up. I think of brother of the Joker immediately. It's like, yeah, it's a joke. So bad nostalgia critic doesn't talk about it.  Okay, he's an artist and it doesn't always work out. I guess I should say it doesn't ever work out. But that's fine. It was it was a fun character. How many what do you think is ratio is like a funny jokes to videos? I don't know. You think it's a positive number? Are we looking at one to turn it? I mean, God, I remember that.   OK, so early cuts of M.O.M. were poorly received, leading to extensive reshoots that reworked Stranger's character, which is originally about his obsession with control and his relationship with Chavez, which is originally much more adversarial. I mean, I don't know what to make of any of this. I don't know which would have been better or worse, but the movie we got was so awful. It was so awful that I would take a chance on whatever this is. Yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever you want to do. I'm not taking a chance on these early cuts. Yeah, do it.  Why not? Early cuts feature Supreme Stranger's sacrifice being genuine. Excuse me. It is genuine, isn't it? It is genuine. And Sinister Stranger's corruption being due to power reshoots added the concept of incursions of the Illuminati executing Supreme Stranger and Sinister Stranger's obsession with Christine. Wow. So what a good. What a good idea to have. He wasn't always an incel. Well, it wasn't always an incel. And is the is the implication that Supreme Stranger would have died doing something, but in the new version he was killed by his friends. Yes.  And the fact that it said reshoots added the concept of incursions. It's like, well, that was a waste of time and money. You've destroyed everything. Yeah, to reshot that. Early cuts begin with Earth 616 Baron Mordo confronting Wanda, who decapitates him and later presents the head to strange. That one is definitely true. Yeah, and that not to say that I don't want a terrible idea. Yeah, the whole the whole like, don't make it too dark.  It's just why would you get rid of Mordo?  Yeah. Early cuts end with strange. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, in terms of having Wanda present a decapitated head to Doctor Strange and then try to like spin it in some way later on in the film that she could become a hero, like, OK. She's very sympathetic. Yeah, I don't know. Early cuts end with strange trapped in the ruined Earth and sinister strange assuming his place on Earth 616. I mean, whatever at this point. That could be what's happening. I was about to say that could be interesting.  Early cuts feature a post-credits scene where Deadpool teleports into the Illuminati's headquarters and happens upon Wanda's massacre. Oh, geez, that probably would have been really tone deaf. Yeah, people would. I think people would have hated that, because it's like, why are you why are you making fun of all of them being dead again? Jeff Bridges and Daniel Craig were in talks to play Iron Monger and Boulder, but dropped out due to COVID. Definitely heard about the Daniel Craig Boulder thing. Ian Griffiths and Nicholas Cage were approached to return as Mr. Fantastic and Ghost Rider. OK. Yeah, it was just the cringy. Like, it would have been bad.  Miss Marble. Early drafts feature Captain Marvel visiting Miss Marble after she defeats and clan and clandestines. Clandestines, yeah. And offering to train her. OK. There's not much on that one. Civil War? Wait, this is not the right. Oh, right. Last section, sorry. One sec. All right, yeah, Thor, Love and Thunder. Oh, boy. Early cuts feature numerous characters, settings, and storylines that were ultimately deleted. It's so funny. You could put that as a fact for all of them, and I'd believe you.  That's what I'm saying. Someone would say, yeah, but that's how movies are made.   But it feels like there's crazy ideas that they just are like, yeah, you know, maybe we just do something batshit and sane and they actually ponder it. Maybe you need that guy so that you have something to shoot down so you can feel like, OK, I'm not doing that idea. Maybe that's his job to make all the bad suggestions. Early drafts feature Thor meeting Jesus and Satan in Omnipotent City, and Russell Crowe would have originally played Satan. I mean, I heard about it. Sure, do it. Go for it. But I mean, the idea of actually having Jesus. Yeah, if I were on the team, I'd be like, let's not.  All the people are really, really, really, really, really good idea. Early drafts feature Thor and Gore conversing with Eternity and Morgan Freeman was going to be the voice. What? That just sounds funny.  Early drafts feature a romance between Valkyrie and Lady Sif, even though Valkyrie was originally going to be supposed to be hooking up with Thor in Ragnarok. And you can see the remnants of that in the film. Why? I don't understand why they brought Sif back only to have a be there, get her arm cut off and then just shop at the end.  Well, don't forget they brought it back to kick Loki in the nuts. Was that true? That's true. It's kind of funny. It's like, oh, yeah, the awaited return of Sif. And then that's just nothing. Early drafts feature the Guardians of the Galaxy arriving to help Thor in the final battle. Early cuts feature Thor uniting Mjolnir, Stormbreaker and Zeus's lightning bolt into a super weapon to destroy the Necrosword, attempting to super glue Korg back together after Zeus shatters him and dancing to Abba's Waterloo. This is, I believe all of this. This is not hard to believe. I couldn't escape if I wanted to. Early cuts feature Gore using the purity of the captive Asgardian children to open the portal to eternity. They're purity, okay. Peeling the religious tattoos off his body with the Necrosword and dancing to Kate Bush's running up that hill. That thing is running up that hill. That's gotta be a meme. Christ. That's gotta be a meme. People in chat will be remiss not to mention Stranger Things, of course. They use that song and it's hyper popular. It might be like the most popular thing that happened in the show now outside of the metal part as well. Oh my God. That's good. It's always good to get some Kate Bush appreciation. Yeah. But maybe not in Thor Leven Thunder, I don't know. Sometimes. Early cuts feature Zeus realizing his mistakes, visiting Thor on Earth, encouraging him to stand against Gore and willingly give him the thunderbolt. I know that's true.  Yeah. I guess they went in a different direction.  They were evil. They were villains. That just sounds like a taika joke. That's really bad. Yeah. Turns out they were trying to kill him, lol. They're like, okay. She-Hulk. The series would originally begin with Jennifer Walt is already active as She-Hulk and only reveal her origin in episode eight but there's confused general audiences so her origin was reworked into episode one. You know, that's true. I don't see how it's even confusing at all, but- Like I was- We were talking about it, I don't- It's not something I remotely consider a problem compared to all the stuff that's fucked in that show. The trial of abomination would originally be the series overarching storyline but the writers felt it was not engaging enough and condensed it into episode three. Not that one. You can't have this- You can't have the courtroom in this show about lawyers. Yeah, don't worry. Plenty of great episodes to fill in. It was a wonderful show. Edward Norton would- In theory, a procedural-ish lawyer courtroom show that's just a comedy, it's fine on paper as long as it's actually funny. Yeah. Edward Norton would originally appear during Jennifer's encounter with Kevin and complain about being recast but this was scrapped before Nolan was even approached. Norton, sorry.  Why would he agree to this? Like, agree to come into this and make funny yourselves. Like, nah, like, I'm all right. Early drafts feature the leader as the leader of the intelligentsia waiting to use She-Hulk's blood to cure his dis-deteriorating body. Is he showing up in- Oh, it made him interesting sympathetic. I think isn't he meant to be showing up in the new Captain America? Yeah. I guess they changed their mind. Oh, for Rags, the leader is a character from the comics and he's kind of foreshadowed or at least shown- Oh, I thought you were talking about like the bro character who was, who injected himself with- No, you would have replaced him. He's sort of set up in Incredible Hulk, right? Is the guy who has- Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So we'll be seeing him again. Black Panther, too. Sure, he was always the principal choice to become Black Panther, but Nakia, Okoye, and Umbaku were also considered.  His bodyguard is the new Black Panther, okay. Ely Drafts did not feature the death of Queen Ramonda and Riri Williams becoming Ironheart. Because the Queen's death was weird and confusing. It was weird. And just drowned inside of like a tower. After saving someone from drowning. That's weird. It's weird. That movie was weird. And it was long and boring and it sucked balls. And as for Riri Williams becoming Ironheart, it's like, yeah, to me, they were just rushing it. They were like, get her into the suit, get her going. We can then make- Because isn't her show finished? Like, it's ready to go. It's finished, but it's not coming out any time soon, I don't think. Makes you think. Ely Drafts feature Namor addressing the ecological impact of the celestial Tiamat emerging from the ocean. No, we don't reference that. We don't reference that. No, no. Yeah, I'm sorry. Who's he going to be complaining to? It's not like it's Earth's fault. I mean, it's just it's the celestial's fault and that has nothing to do with Earth.  He's like, you got to do something about that. It's like, really drastically addressing the ecological impact. What? You mean him going to blow up Earth? That was what was going to happen if he didn't get stopped. Yeah. Do you remember Aquaman with his response was putting trash onto like the beaches of countries? Yeah, that's right. Ocean Master made giant tidal waves that went all across and almost certainly killed many, many, many. Oh, yeah. Remember when Aquaman killed all of the crab people who were on his side? He killed John Rice Davies crab. He killed all the crabs that were on his side.   I wonder how I wonder how much collateral of damage he's going to be causing in this new one. Also, Reese, not Rise. You'll get there one day. Early drafts feature Dr. Rice Davies, John Rice Davies, Reese, John Rice, John Reese Davies, John Reese Davies. Early drafts feature Dr. Doom manipulating the conflict between Wakanda and telecom to his benefit. I remember hearing tons of rumors about Dr. Doom, but was that ever like? Yeah, I remember being told by somebody that the plan was an after credit scene to reveal Dr. Doom and Black Panther, too. So I'm guessing that's what I heard.  They're just itching to introduce Dr. Doom. Yeah, because I he's like one of the last big sort of characters that they got left other than, I guess, X-Men characters. Oh, really? Drafts feature a romantic connection between Shuri and Namor. Why would you want to do that? He kills so many people in Wakanda.  He killed him, Bob.  I can't remember. No, that's that's his. No, that's that's her mom. Yeah, remember, she's to Charles Brown. Well, not to not to diminish caring about the death of an aunt, anyway. Quantamania, an alternative pitch features Ant-Man and the Young Avengers fighting Modoc and Aime.  The Young Avengers is like all of the like teenagers, kids of events. And you know that they're coming. They're the end of the mob. Oh, yeah, they they probably want to set. Isn't that basically all but confirmed, right? Kate Bishop meeting like Miss Marvel to set up as far as I'm aware. It's in stone. It's not even like which I imagine that they're not even going to. I get the impression that they're so protective of like Avengers as a name that they're not even going to call it Young Avengers, like that that would be like brand dilution. You know what I mean? Like they'd call it something else. Young Crusaders or something. I don't know, but not not Young Avengers. They were talks about killing either Hank Pym or Janet Van Dyne. I could buy that instantly. They should have killed Hank Pym. It makes more sense. Yeah, it should have been Hank. Early drafts feature flashbacks of Hank and Janet doing sexy science in the 1980s, modeled after Michael Douglas's erotic thrillers of the time. What? That's a great point for you.  Why not? Let's do it. Sexy science. Why not?   Go for it. Early drafts feature Gentora resenting Janet for abandoning the rebels and Janet trying to earn back their trust. This is something I forgot to even mention in the video. They they're all like happily ever after at the end.  I completely forgot about that. They should all have a bone to pick with her. They all she abandoned them all. I was like, whatever. But I don't care. I don't care about that. I don't care about Gentora. She's my favorite. What do you mean? Who's that? She was the like the Barbarian lady leader of the rebels. Yes, the edgy edgy, the edgy. Gotcha. Early cuts feature Cassie bonding with Gentora and the rebels and becoming determined to help them. And wow, we need a scene where she becomes more determined to do the right thing. Yes, they really know how to write these characters. This one we know is true. Early cuts feature Kryla surviving the bar brawl and rejoining the rebels against Kang. There's plenty of footage of him was not used. Early cuts feature Kang recognizing Hank as Ant-Man once that he once fought in another universe. OK, I just like I don't know why they would have would not cut that out. There's a big, big difference. The original ending features Scott and Hope trapped in the quantum realm and Cassie, Janet and Hank searching for them. Which you can tell from watching it that that was what was going to be the ending because the the reshoots are not very smooth. No, they are not. Jennifer Coolidge was considered for Linda. The woman Hank went on a date with while Janet was in the quantum realm.  Like why would they even show Linda? Well, how they clarify who Linda was. But for the rest of these names, like, you know who that is. You know, everyone knows Balakint. We don't even have to say. Guardians of the Galaxy three prior to his firing, Gunn would oversee all projects in the cosmic corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe with volume three setting up numerous new characters and storylines. Gunn disliked Thor joining the team in Avengers Endgame and did not plan to include him even when the movie was to release before Thor, Love and Thunder. Hmm. Well, I mean, we know that he couldn't because he didn't like that. What's the same guy is a helmet back for some reason, either. Yeah, he's he was bitter about a lot of the things that happened when they were out of his control, I guess. It's unfortunate, even though, as we said at the time, there's plenty you can work with. You don't have to work against it. I got to say, by the way, on the subject of the cosmic side, I find it incredibly lame. Like the cosmic side of Marvel is so lame to me, like at least in terms of the movies, everywhere is just like Earth. That's humans everywhere. There's not really many crazy, wacky looking aliens. And I don't really expect anything to improve. I don't know. You could you don't even get like enough Star Trek aliens, which are like people. No, no. Like interesting faces or green. It's just people, but they're. Blue or green, not like, you know, yeah, they don't even have like makeup on, you know, to be like clearly not human. Yeah, but not like what you said in Star Trek, where it's a little bit more, a little bit more different. I don't know. I just find it super lame. I wish I was like the one thing that I always want is more aliens. Please, just more aliens is one of the things I want from Star Wars all the time. It's just more aliens and robots, less people, more aliens and robots. Guns. Oh, yeah. The extended ending features the Guardians of the Galaxy rescuing the high evolutionary imprisoning him in nowhere. Although this was cut for pacing. Gun has confirmed its cannon. Well, that doesn't OK.  I just don't care if it's in a movie. It says if it's in a movie, I don't care anyway. How did it not like how can you say it's kind of there's no recognition of his body being moved. There's no I don't even think if you were to pause when we have the big sections of seeing all of the crowd is like, would you see him in there? I don't think so. I think he would. So I know he's he got blown up. So weird. Secret invasion, production was troubled with frequent conflicts between writers and producers and several script rights or rewrites that caused the majority of the series to be entirely reshot. No shock at all. Obviously true. Amelia Clark's character was originally Varanke or Varanke, and she would use she would usurp Gravick and depart for space with her loyalists vowing revenge if fury pursued her or them, which I believe because that's in secret invasion in the comics. That's like the coin of the Skrulls, which a secret invasion not very much like the comic at all. So yeah, I totally could believe that this I mean, I'll take that over her becoming the most powerful Avenger ever for some reason. Absolutely. Yeah. And finally, Carmen, a Jogo was originally cast as Priscilla Fury, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts caused by the mass reshoots and was replaced by Charlene Woodard. I just find that fascinating that all of it is, you know, all of the factoids about basically all of these projects is that they all just get dramatically reshot, which we know. But that's not normal. Like what? And it's incredibly expensive. That's that's money. If you if you shot it right the first time, that's money that you save. Reshoots is one thing. Reshooting a lot of it is one thing.  Well, I'm doing it all the time. Like basically every project has significant reshoots. The only one that didn't happen, he was Guardians 3, right? Guardians 3 was the only one and like the last several years that didn't have any reshoots. Absolutely nuts. All right, I need to go and pee, but I'll be back because we have a few more things. Oh, yeah, you bet. Yeah, I guess I'm OK. So I guess that's all like the context for the lead up to where everything is at, which is fascinating, isn't it? I got to imagine at this point, especially now that especially now that we're at the point where you've got like these major sort of outlets that typically didn't really say anything, particularly negative about Marvel at all now starting to. Do that. If that means that we're going to start getting more of these types of stories emerging, you know what I mean? Like what? Yeah, yeah, like it's out now. Everyone's talking about it. It's an open thing. It's not just YouTubers, you know, it's it's actually like these magazines and everything that are typically pretty positive that they're willing.  Kind of. Yeah. This is the story that we can all jump on. This is what people are reading about. Mm hmm. Which I don't know. I really, I really, really, really, really don't know that they can even reverse these problems because I don't know. I mean, it's like I don't know what you do.   And then we have to just like eat that up and say, all right, we need this serious refocus on what made us great in the first place. And we got to get back to making good stories. And we're going to have to put writing as King. We have all that we just like it's not working. Like if you don't do it today, you will have to do it next year or next year. And by then you'll be even further in the red. Yeah, but I think I think Marvel benefits from the fact that when they announce something that comes out, it actually does come out compared to like DC, where they've announced several projects that didn't pan out. It's almost like there's a lack of confidence from everybody in general. Like when it comes to DC projects of, oh, yeah, we're working on this. We're like, OK, yeah, we'll see about that. Whereas when Marvel, Marvel announced something, there's like a guarantee that it's going to come out. But I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at this point if stuff starts getting canceled. Stuff is certainly getting canceled, but wasn't announced, which I guess technically, yeah, but I mean, like whenever I hear about upcoming, whatever, I'm just like, yeah, sure. When it's in theaters, I'll believe you, but I just don't. I just don't think anything's out until it's actually out now. It'll be put on indefinite hiatus or it'll be pushed back next year. Swap directors, be new cast, new story, whatever.  There needs to be a shake up and how and what their selection process is for hiring the people who make these projects. We can't be going with this. He Jengalee, who you know, who and you know this person and who knows that person or you're like, no, we got to get rid of this.  The first screenplay you write for film is a 200 million dollar production. I think one of the first things that you might want to do is say that we need like the budgets for these movies has been ballooning out of control to the point where like there's no way we should be saying, oh, this only made four hundred eighty million. What a failure. We're going to have to start saying we need to change up our process of, you know, financial allocation. We need to be making a lot of fifty and a hundred million dollar like we need when we make a movie and it's a hundred fifty million dollars. That needs to be like the big thing that we make. Yeah. Why does everything have to cost the same amount, which is an insane amount of money? We've got to. Yeah, we need to we need to take a look at why these things cost so much. We need to try a lot of different things and we need to make them cheaper. And surely enough of them will stick or hit or something. All right, so look at the next step of our journey. There's still plenty to go. We might be in for a long one like I said. OK, you remember you familiar vaguely with an account. I think it's Matt Ramos on Twitter. He's like you'll often tweet like a shill guy, right? He'll tweet in such a way that people don't believe he's like a real human being. They feel like he's like a just the perfect customer for Marvel. And well, everything, everything mainstream, I think, even beyond Marvel. In any case, I was piqued in my interest because I was told he made a video recently called the MCU is in shambles. Whoa. And yeah, I bet if we go through all of his reviews, it'll be it'll be just like, wow, boilers. Yeah. Oh, it's actually funnier than that. It'll be funny that we did this with Cosmonaut, though. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So same thing he was. What we're going to do first is check out his video and see what his reasoning is. See what you see from the perspective of someone on the other side of the spectrum, who's adored this franchise and its timeline in every way, shape and form. But today slash yesterday slash whenever this was uploaded, decided enough is enough. It's in shambles now. So we're going to check out what he has to say. All right, you're in the title of the video. I never thought I never thought this day would come, but it's safe to say that at this current point in time. Wait, did he just say come randomly? What is in shambles? It might just be glitchy. It might have glitched it. Because for me, he said, all right, you all have seen the title of this video. Come. I was like, what are we talking about? The internet flupage. What? Wow, how do you balance? Damn, yeah, how do you balance in place? Also, wow, that looks great. The article titled Crisis at Marvel. That basically details a lot of it. See, there you go. We read it. So now we have the context. Isn't that great? We did a research. We did the disasters that are going on behind the scenes at Marvel Studios right now.  I started this channel talking about Marvel. I love Marvel. I love the MCU. Even now at this current with the current state of the MCU, I'm still going to rock for this franchise because I've grown up. Oh, so you're worthless. It's given me memories that I'll cherish with me. Oh, well, you've got an abuse of my calling. It's completely changed and transformed my life for the better. Geez, really? It's just so dramatic. I don't believe you. But I guess the thing is, if this is the crux of his career, like if his career kind of existed. Well, I was going to go more with the genuine thing of like my current everything, like me as a person, part of my identity was built by what I understood and learned from these stories or something. It's like, OK, I don't know. Like certainly I'm trying to think of like the nice work of others is just like just what are you I would love to know what kind of like life lessons you're getting from phase four and five. Like they, you know, I just noticed it in the background there. He's got he's got the poster for the uncharted movie. Really? That's what that is. Well, well, I at first I was like, OK, so that's is that uncharted three because uncharted three has a big old set. It looks like it's the convoy hanging off of the off of the back of the plane there. That looks like I'm sure it does. Yeah, it does. You could see the plane and yeah, yeah, with all the cargo, which that's blurry, Tom Holland. Am I the only person who saw uncharted? Yes, I think I might be the only person who saw uncharted. Yeah. So everything I say in this video is straight up out of love because I love Marvel. I love the MCU. I always have an army. I always find this caveat so lame. It's like, can we just like, yeah, can you just tell me imagine you'll always love it? No matter what, having this chat with someone, why did you fall in love? It's like, oh, I got to tell you, like, Marvel's in shambles.  You're like, OK, OK. Cool. Love should be conditional. There should be a reason why you love something and that thing, that quality, that attribute needs to be able to be lost. And your love should go with it. If you love something no matter what, then it can't. It can't do anything to lose it. So it could be as terrible as terrible can be. And you'll still love it, which makes your love like worthless. By the way, this is 57 seconds in. I know it wouldn't have felt like that because nothing's happened yet. But it's still like, wow. And I think out of love, it's important for us to sometimes just take a stand and say, yo, we love this universe so much. There has to be change in order for it to return back to what it once was. And why? You'll love it. You love it. You currently love it. So why change? I think we are going to have to move past that rags. Otherwise, this will be something that has to be loaded on every statement. This may order for it to order for it to uphold the standard that us fans are used to getting with every single one of their projects. By the way, with with like someone like this, these are the kind of people or I'd be curious, like, what's their tier list of like greatest to worst MCU movies? Oh, you'll get a brief idea of how he even talks about the best of what we've had recently, and you'll get to know how he drove the line, let's say. Now, it's important to note that not everything Marvel has put out these past couple of years has been bad. I mean, we've got three. No way home. Shang-Chi Wakanda forever. Juan Division. I just gradually got worse and worse. I would just love to ask him. Just tell me the plot of Shang-Chi, not detailed, but like, you know, just one minute from the beginning and tell me your favorite character in Wakanda forever. Yeah. And then tell me what happened. And I was like, come on, by the time you hit the second half of that show, no one knows what's going on anymore. No. Loki, Marvel has still had their hits over these past. Also, yeah, Loki was mentioned there. Again, just to reiterate, it's it's been remarkable. It's been it's been actually remarkable how consistently awful these projects have been for the last year. Kind of not easy to have that happen. No, it was actually surreal for us to constantly have that bar keep getting lowered, like that was surreal of finding new ways to break your canon and to break characters. It was incredible. When we watched the last Loki episode and we had that brief little like, oh, some of us, is this worse than a secret invasion or not? We're like, I don't know, I guess, I guess, or a lot or sort of. But yeah, like we constantly when the whole universe turns into spaghetti. Yeah, no, this is a little bit and then and then Loki could rewrite Yeah, the universe at will. Oh, yeah. Of course. Loki, everybody, stay tuned. Yeah, stay tuned for that episode's coming your way soon. But overall, as a collective universe, the quality has been inconsistent. And that's something we're not really used to seeing when it comes to them to you when it came to. No, it's always been inconsistent. It's always been inconsistent, but it's also, by his own logic, been inconsistent since what phase four is like, that's not exactly yesterday. It's been going for a while now. That's that's the last two and a half years. Yeah. Roller coaster. Sorry, more than that. 20, 21, 20, so technically three years. We could count it from end game, you know, the actual he wouldn't. Well, he probably thinks end game is the absolute high point. He does think it's pretty good. I'm sure he does. Yeah. To the infinity saga, there was so much connection and there was so much of a unified vision that every single project led right into the next. So we actually know factually that it wasn't. We had the conflict between Joss Whedon and the Rousseau's, even for the the stories being written, like the lack of conversation. Not a unified vision. The fact that it actually came together in any way that is remotely cohesive is kind of a miracle. Yeah. And I still believe it's just the fact that there was less to contradict. That's mainly why. Yes. Yep, pretty much. And it was all just a never ending hype train rest with phase four and five never ending hype train. Well, you were really high when playing the role at the end of Thor the Dark World.  When you were watching Ad-Man for this time, that was the same hype as watching like. I had Ant-Man and the Wasp specifically. Banger. Yeah, that was a banger. You know, it's so consistently quality. It's felt extremely disconnected. We've we've been introduced to so many different heroes that. Yeah, see, again, the thing that's that's not true either. This is the stuff that annoys me. It's because someone at Marvel is listening to this and thinking that these are coherent and accurate criticisms of the. Yeah, too many heroes. That's the problem. It's like, nope. Yeah.  Yeah, need them. But we don't even know if we're ever going to see them again. Nor when not knowing if you're going to see a character again isn't even really a problem in isolation. I mean, if I never see them again. This reminds me of Grace Randolph, where it's like the problem with Andorra is there's not enough lightsabers. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How are we to know if Darth Vader's even going to show up? I don't know him again. So there has definitely been some stumbles along the way with when it comes to the face for and face five stumbles. Xavier once said just because someone stumbles and loses their way. Oh, my God, no. Especially thinking of the context of that.  Oh, my God.  And remember that he was saying it in reference to a man that they killed hero. Yeah. And then you say get to a man who done nothing wrong. Don't worry, you stumbled there. Strange, strange, like, no, I haven't I've done nothing. I arrived, you captured me. I guess the grocery was really proud of that. I was like, ah, see, I'm going to tie it all back together with a quote from a Marvel story, no less. Nailed it. Yeah. And it's important that us as fans voice our criticisms, voice the way we feel about the current MCU in order for more. Have you been doing that consistently for the last few years? Because if not, then you've contributed to this. Surely you would have to listen, right? You wouldn't want to you wouldn't want to admit it. But like so you've implied a positive thing is to point out, you know, a critical nature where we're warranted and to be constructed. It's like, so there's a bad reverse, right? To not do that when needed. Do you think maybe you've done that? And I'm sure we'd be like, no, I've been honest every single time. But what I think is good quality and bad quality. OK, all right. No, it all just catches up at once. It all just happened. It all just happened. It reaches the point where it's like, oh, you know, Marvel's in trouble now that the variety article is out and now that the book is out and now that the film's on doing so well. Because remember, nothing has changed between today and yesterday. No, just an article came out. That's it. That's the only.  Nothing is so funny. You say that we keep that in mind. Put that in your pocket. Pull that quote out. I will. I'll put that when we get to the end of this video. Specifically, oh, my God. My little, my little bell power. Well, I'm foreshadowing a big old payoff. Chat, you're going to love it. OK. I'm in the right direction because if we if we sat here and just praised everything and everything is perfect all the time, then guess what? Marvel is just going to continue to keep doing. He's known as he's known as that guy, by the way, like by people typically on the Internet. He's known as the guy who would praise everything that Marvel ever does. But they've been doing continue to put Frank. Let me ask you, Frank, in particular, but let me ask you this question. If you were in charge of his like background arrangement, right, would you have put his two supermen both on the tops of opposite cabinets? Probably, I don't think that's the way I think he's separated because because he's got always nice and they're in the middle. Yeah, but it's not because he's got Optimus Prime. It looks like he does. And Iron Man, yeah, on the left. And he's got his his play button, too. That does feel a little bit of a does feel that in front of the play button. I like a torch or something sitting there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about the the background. I'm not that I don't need. This is where you need like the glowing lights or something because you have a very flat like white, not very well lit room. This is where you need those like little LED strips to kind of give it some some color that isn't purple because that's what everyone does. But you know something, you know, maybe you could do blue because that's sort of the way his channel, you know, his some blues going. The thing is, is if he's wearing a blue shirt, I probably wouldn't want a blue background. I probably just do the good old blue and orange. Maybe yeah, orange colors, complementary colors. They are your friend. But I could do a blue red like Superman. Oh, yeah, yeah. I feel extremely rushed that are just I'm going to say. Did he say the shows because that's the because again, that's again, another accepted thing that you can say compared to shooting on the move as well that are just let me see. You got to go back a little bit. Guess what? Marble is just going to continue to keep doing what they've been doing. Continue to put out six episodes of Disney Plus shows that feel extreme. Yes. Yeah, I don't know. I'm too cynical. I'm too cynical. Was just funny you say that he's because that's the accepted narrative is that the shows are flawed, not the films. Well, let's see, I guess. I'm going to save my thoughts for a later day. So diving into the things, this variety article. No, I don't say my thoughts until I sort of I check the temperature of the room and I see what's, you know, happening. That that's what's what he means. He doesn't want to be nice to Marvel. OK, this is big for him. It wants to be nice to the multi dollar corporation. This is tough. It's saying the MC was in shambles from him is a big deal. OK. OK, well, brings up. It starts off by talking about how this September, Kevin Feige and all of the Marvel executives had their annual Marvel retreat where he doesn't have a great smile, Kevin Feige. It's not a it's you know, it's OK. Where's the hat? He's got a look there. You know, he's got a look with his hat and it certainly does. It's more mundane and less. He looks comfortable, deep and uncomfortable. And the cowboy hat. I'd be comfortable for him at this point. I would not. At this point, yeah, compared to a few years ago, they basically my magic powers can save Marvel. That's your Kevin Feige voice. Yeah, not even my power. I assume he's like a dark, eldritch demon who's inhabiting this body.  And then they course correct. So this is something that's happened for years and years and years. And it's how the MCU has in great detail. It's it's how it's gotten to where it is. Why is he describing this like it's an uncommon thing for creatives to go on retreats where they figure out broader plans? But like, he talks about it like it's a Marvel thing. This is just like a common thing. I just also feel bad that he's like completely convinced like it's just a true fact that phases one, two and three were planned out and unified, even though, even though that's obviously not true. Joss Whedon putting in the Thanos clip at the end of 2012's Avengers was like a not a meme. But he was basically just like, yeah, I'll throw that in. Whatever. Yeah. Kind of a meme. I mean, like, it does understand that he does realize that there's been like changes in because it was paramount for the first few movies. And then it was Disney. And then there was obviously that universal like like that there was friction. That was like it wasn't a clear, clear cut, sure thing. I mean, surely he knows Iron Man 2 was like the product of a lot of studio tampering and all and whatnot. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he knows it. I mean, it's like, again, he might not know. You have Scott Derrickson like leaving Doctor Strange 2. Edgar Wright didn't even like fulfill everything with that. And Joss Whedon left with the chance to do possibly going to be the biggest movies ever because he wasn't happy with the way that things work there. It's like, come on. It's because Ken Feige and the team are always meeting. They're always looking on what to improve. So but this year was a little different because this year they had a ton of fires, disasters. They had to bring up an address. So it wasn't the same marvel that had the retreat in 2019. Once Endgame came out and everything was at its peak and everything already happened. Now this year. This year's retreat was a little bit different starting off with one of the big problems that Marvel addressed or is currently addressing is the Jonathan Majors Kang the Conquer situation. Marvel was very quick to say this entire multiverse saga is being built on the shoulders of Jonathan Majors. And we've all heard of the very public legal battles that Jonathan Majors is currently going through. So the only time we'll tell on that on how that works out. But it's said that Marvel was already questioning and discussing on moving forward from Kang after the release of Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania because that film just did not perform at the box. Still don't buy that, by the way. No way. No. But again, it's like I said, like as pointed out in chat, the timeline just doesn't even follow. All of the Jonathan Majors stuff happens in March. The film came out in February. So in a month, it just so happened that maybe like a week before all of the stuff was happening with him, that they were not going to move forward. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't buy a comment. He's extemporizing like he has first hand knowledge of the topic. He really shouldn't. Yeah, he's talking about the article's contents, as though it is kind of like stuff that he's got access to as information. But it's like, right, when he's just like us, right? He's just reading the article and then forming an opinion based on it. Box office. Now, I'm going to sit here and tell you again, all of all of the legal drama aside, if we're just looking at what Jonathan Majors brought to the table for Emin and the Wasp Quantamanias, Kang the Conqueror, he was without a doubt the best part of that movie. The failure. I don't even know what the best. Probably no, I don't know. Paul Rudd, man. Yeah, I feel like it's got to be Paul Rudd. Then what? I don't know. I don't know. He's the only one that I like. Emin and the Wasp Quantamanias. Modoc, yeah. Maybe Modoc. Yeah, Modoc. That's true. Modoc should not fall on the shoulders of Jonathan Majors. But after that film under the performant of the Box Office, I guess basically Marvel took that feedback and they said, yo, should we really be putting the shoulders of this entire saga on Kang? Should we be putting shoulders on that? Should be. I mean, I think so. I wonder what could have been written in that article that he wouldn't have believed, like if the article just said the Marvel have decided that based on his ability to grow facial hair, we will not be casting Jonathan Majors as Kang in future. Like if they just said that, I wonder if you would be like, my God, I can't believe this for a long time. And now it's finally confirmed. Well, yeah, because he is basically taking everything that's being said in the article at face value. Yeah, give him his shoulders back. If this movie underperformed at the Box Office, you know, he needs to say that people are going to show for the next one where Kang is still going to be the main villain. So Marvel has been discussing that for quite some time now. Another thing that's been. Oh, I have that. Have they? Yeah, brought up is moving forward from Kang into Dr. Doom and having Dr. Which excites you, doesn't it? I'm sure it does. Amazing. Sure, it is kind of sad to know there's still plenty to plunder from the comics for. Oh, yeah. I mean, we haven't had a lot of them as well yet. Just any of the X-Men.  I feel like Thraud is one of the best recent ones in terms of like, you wanted him. There he is.  Now we move on. By the time you get to the end of the list, you can go back to the beginning of the list. That's right. Yeah, that's right. We're going to do Throne again, but this time he'll be good. But this time for real. So the multiverse saga, they've had those discussions. Nothing is really final. But the fact that the