I would like to introduce to you the gentleman who is going to introduce our keynote speaker. And I particularly ask for this because I wanted to have an opportunity to introduce William J. Vanden Heuvel, who is the co-chairman of the Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt Institute. He is also the founder, along with Franklin Roosevelt Jr., Arthur Schlesinger Jr., and Frederica Goodman, of this wonderful organization that is the support arm for the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, as well as for public programs and international award ceremonies that take place in the United States and around the world. Bill has many other things in his wonderful background, but I can tell that he doesn't want me to say much about them, but I do have to say one thing. I have to say that this whole conference comes about because Bill was attending the conference at the Kennedy Library in 2006, and he said, we have to do this in Hyde Park. And I said, I agree, but Bill, can you come up with an idea of something that will go across the history of all of the libraries? Because we want this to represent the entire scope of presidential library history. He thought for not too long, came back to us, suggested this topic, we took it to Allen Weinstein and to Sharon Fawcett, and it has become reality. And so I thank you, Bill, for what you've done to inspire this gathering today, and I cede the podium to you. Thank you. Justice O'Connor, I want to thank too, Alan and Cynthia and the directors of all the presidential libraries who have made this occasion possible. I think the afternoon sessions have proved the worthwhile it is. I can only tell you, Justice O'Connor, that those who would greet you with the greatest enthusiasm would be Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. I also want to acknowledge that in our room today we have Judith Kay, who is the chief judge of the Court of Appeals of the State of New York, and James Zazale, who's just retired as the chief judge of the Supreme Court of New Jersey, and we have a judge wallop with us too. This is an easy introduction. I mean, to have the possibility of bringing a legion to this podium, and to say a few words not about her career as a Justice of the Supreme Court, but about the wonderful life that she has led in the years that brought her to the Supreme Court. Her grandfather and father were pioneers of the West, settling in New Mexico territory, which later became Arizona.  She was born in a depression year, and her parents and her family knew very well what the depression was, the unemployment, the poverty, the difficulties of just staying above the line. Yet her father was not a great advocate of FDR. I remember once reading about Barbara Bush, who said that in her household, the name Eleanor Roosevelt was not allowed to be repeated. But in the day household, there was perhaps not an admiration of FDR, but there was that extraordinary personal character and perseverance and dedication that they gave to the daughter. And that character, I think, is one of the things that has been acknowledged in what she's done. She went to Stanford University. She graduated in the top 10% of her class. She was on the law review, and she never could get a job. She was one of five women in that law school class. And with that extraordinary record, she was not offered a job by the major law firms. But she found other good things at Stanford, including a wonderful husband, who was also a lawyer. And the friendship with Bill Renquist, who was in her class, also from Arizona. And that friendship was a lifelong friendship, and it's extraordinary that two of them served those years together on the court. When she graduated and she came back to Phoenix, she and her husband decided to do that, she didn't take the easy way out. She set up her own law firm. If you can imagine that responsibility, and all of us here who are lawyers, I think look at that very simple act as a great act of courage. I think she became an assistant attorney general. She mothered three young, three sons, and she was active in Republican politics. You know, Arizona in the 50s and 60s was an extraordinary place in politics. That's where the conservative movement really began. You had Barry Goldwater in 1952 unseating the Democratic majority leader, Ernest MacFarlane, as I recall it. And Sandra Day O'Connor was part of the young Republican movement that brought about and supported Barry Goldwater. He was a very great friend and admirer of hers and supported him in the 1964 presidential election. She was the beneficiary of a great Supreme Court ruling, one man, one vote. Because that ruling caused Phoenix to gain 15 seats in the state senate that they might not otherwise have had. And because of her Republican background and having worked in the party, she asked for a nomination to that and she received that in 1969 and went to the state senate. And where she became a real power within the five-year career that she had there. She then ran her primary. This is quite extraordinary if you've been through the political understanding to understand what it is to run a primary within your own party for a seat on the superior court in Arizona. And she won that, a tough primary. Now in 19, President Nixon as you know had four appointments to the Supreme Court. Sandra Day O'Connor wrote him a letter in 1970 saying that as he approached his presidency that he should really contemplate appointing a woman to the Supreme Court. There was an interesting tape that has been now revealed because of the presidential libraries that has the Nixon tapes where he is discussing whether or not he should put a woman on the Supreme Court. And he says to his aide, I'm against it frankly. I don't want any of them around. Thank God he said we don't have any of them in the cabinet. But then he said, but the cabinet is so lousy we might as well have a woman in it. But out of those appointments came the appointment of Judge Rehnquist. And that of course Sandra Day O'Connor supported with great enthusiasm. She was appointed to the highest court in Arizona by a Democrat, Bruce Babbitt, who was then governor. Many of you in this room know. And he appointed her as he said because she was the most qualified person that he could find and he wanted a woman on that bench. So with that all in place, Potter Stewart once said about how do you get on the Supreme Court? He says it's like lightning. You have to be in the right place at the right time. And so in 1981 when Potter Stewart talked to the Attorney General and said that he wanted to resign and then they began the search for a candidate, everybody recalled and especially the President, President Reagan recalled his own commitment to the public in the 1980 campaign that he was going to appoint a woman. You know what all of that meant? When Jimmy Carter came to office in 1977, only eight women in the history of the United States had sat on the federal bench. When Jimmy Carter left office in 1981, there were 43 women on the bench. And so when President Reagan heard about Sandra Day O'Connor and she went through a very tough vetting process. I mean it didn't begin just recently. And finally, she had the opportunity of meeting the President himself, well can you imagine two people who would like each other more than those two? Here was the open West, the whole feeling about it, talking about, I can hear it, talking about the ranch, talking about horseback riding, talking about fixing fences. Oh by the way, the Supreme Court, I want to talk to you about that. And so she got it. And so she was confirmed, the vote was 99 to nothing. Senator Baucus was out of town at that time. It was certainly a great historical event. But it was a fulfillment of a major step forward for America. And Sandra Day O'Connor has done everything that all of us, not Republicans, not Democrats, but all of us would have hoped that she would do. The focus was on her as the first woman. She said her concern was that she wouldn't be the last woman. And so she knew that the responsibility she had to carry was an enormous responsibility. And I can't imagine anyone having discharged it with greater success than she. I'd like to think of the scene on September 25th, 1981, when the Attorney General of the United States brought Sandra Day O'Connor and the Marshal Chair and presented her to the court. In the courtroom was President Mrs. Reagan. In the courtroom were her father and mother and of course her husband and children and her siblings. What a moment in history, what a moment of personal fulfillment, what a triumphant moment for democracy. And Justice O'Connor, that's the way we all feel today. So honored to have you here. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was a wonderful introduction. You even found things I didn't know. What is this Nixon Tate business? I've got to find out about that. Yeah, I'm going to have to find out more about that. Now, I'm so glad to be at Hyde Park. It's my first visit to this place. And I know part of the Wallace family. And I think David Douglas is sitting right there. And they help make this facility possible, which I think is marvelous and I'm so glad to see that. And tomorrow I look forward to seeing the other parts of Hyde Park in the daylight hours. And my parents were cattle ranchers, as you've heard. And many of the cattle ranchers, at least in the southwest, did not approve of Franklin Roosevelt's policies at all. Quite the contrary. And they didn't approve of Eleanor Roosevelt either. I'm not sure why, but they didn't. And when I was a child that we didn't have a school near the Lazy B Ranch and I was sent off to El Paso, Texas, where I lived with a grandmother to go to school. And I went to this Ms. Radford School for Girls. And the headmistress, Dr. Lucinda DeLeftwich-Templon, invited Eleanor Roosevelt to come to the school and Eleanor Roosevelt accepted. And all of us were supposed to clean up and be out by the flagpole waiting for Eleanor Roosevelt to arrive. And I can remember to this day, all of us being out there waiting. And here I came, I did not dare tell my parents. And of course I realized that I couldn't possibly like her. And so we all stood out by the flagpole and the black car drove up and she got out of the back and she had an old black slouch hat thing on. And she had an ill-fitting dress that came down to her ankles and kind of high shoes. And around her neck was a fox fur. I used to have one of my grandmothers where the fox mouth is biting the tail and it hangs out with the feet. And not a beautiful features in any event. And so she got out and walked amongst us and started to talk and visit. And I realized this was a woman who had incredible charisma.  And I will never forget that day. She made such a wonderful impression. And I've met very few people in my life, a few like Nelson Mandela and Eleanor Roosevelt who immediately on meeting them, you know they're special. And she was. So I never met the president, but I remember meeting her with much pleasure. And I don't know what a keynote speech is. I don't like the term. I never know what you're supposed to do with a keynote. So this isn't a keynote. This is just a few remarks on the topic of this conference which I think is marvelous. And I'm so impressed that a number, if not all, the presidential libraries have cooperated to make this possible. You have marvelous speakers, you have a terrific topic. I adore presidential libraries. I visited a lot of them and it's so much fun to go. And this is a great idea, together, together, and really focus on one topic of great interest and have speakers as outstanding as those you've assembled for this. So I'm really glad to be part of it and to be here. And in thinking about what I might say, I thought about the issues and conflicts between the executive branch and the legislative branch, which we're seeing in our country right now, to an extraordinary degree. We are in the most amazing time. And if I understand correctly, you might even be addressing some of this. The next time the libraries get together, it is a remarkable time to be considering the issue of separation of powers and what it means in time of stress or war. And we have some very challenging cases that the Supreme Court have had in the last few years and there are some on the docket this term. And I couldn't help think of one particular historic figure of note, William Howard Taft. And the stories told that Mr. Taft once found himself stranded at a small country railroad station. I don't know if it was up here somewhere or where. And he was told that the express train would stop only for a large group of passengers. And Taft wired the conductor. Stop at Hicksville, large party waiting to catch train. When the train stopped, Taft got on and then he turned to the confused conductor. You can go ahead now, he said, I am the large party. And we laugh at this story because we remember that Mr. Taft at his heaviest tipped the scales at over 300 pounds but as the 27th President of the United States and as the 10th Chief Justice of the United States, he also was the only person ever to have tipped the scales by holding both of those incredibly large offices. Experiencing firsthand the large responsibility of heading two of the most significant institutions in the free world, his time in these two roles put him on two different sides of the same constitutional coin. Indeed, our remarkable constitution recognizes the individual largeness of these governmental bodies while acknowledging that their relative strengths will at times coexist, at times collide, and nearly always manage to carry out the will of the majority while safeguarding the rights of the minority. And so tonight I want to spend a few minutes to reflect on some moments in history in which these two large institutions, the Chief Executive and the Supreme Court, with large constitutional obligations have intersected, overlapped, and even clashed. A look at the dynamic between the two tells volumes about the genius of our constitution. To find an example of the judiciary in the presidency surviving the collision of two larger than life personalities, we don't have to travel very far into the early days of our republic. Distant cousins, John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson, were anything but the kissing kind. Indeed, their relationship was privately nasty and publicly only slightly better. Their exchanges, well documented but not well mannered, planted the seeds for an all out war on the proper role of the judiciary vis-a-vis the other branches of government and set the trajectory of constitutional law as we know it today. Jefferson almost was not our third president coming to the post only after the House of Representatives broke an electoral tie vote in his race with Aaron Burr. Marshall almost was not our fourth chief justice receiving the nomination from President John Adams only after the first choice John Jay declined reappointment to the Supreme Court. But once fate brought them to their respective positions of authority, Jefferson and Marshall came to blows in ways that put even today's climate of political acrimony to shame. Early in his administration, Jefferson tried to have John Marshall impeached. He accused him of irregular and censurable behavior. In Marshall's hands, Jefferson said the law is nothing more than an ambiguous text to be explained by his sophistry into any meaning which may subserve his personal malice.  And Marshall in turn labeled Jefferson totally unfit for the presidency. Jefferson called the Chief Justice a man of lax lounging manners and a profound hypocrisy. Now over time, these two actors played out a rather hateful drama rooted in personal animus and fundamental disagreement as to the proper role of government and the appropriate balance between judicial and legislative branches. History teaches us that it was Marshall's decision in Marbury versus Madison, a case that many say might as well have been captioned Marshall versus Jefferson, that permanently legitimated and strengthened the Supreme Court and that gave the Chief Justice his least obvious but perhaps greatest victory over President Jefferson. In the watershed 1800 election, Marshall's Federalist Party lost control of the executive and legislative branches to Jefferson's Republicans. And in an effort to retain some presence in government, they, Adams decided to pack the judiciary on the way out the door. President Adams appointed Marshall, who was then Secretary of State as Chief Justice and Congress passed a number of pieces of legislation to restructure the court system and provide the lame duck senate and the outgoing president with lots of new judicial positions to fill. Adams filled them or thought he did through a series of midnight appointments. But Jefferson fought back. When he took office, he refused to deliver the commissions of some of those appointees. When Mr. Marbury, an appointed judge who did not get his commission, tried to get a court order compelling the administration to deliver it, the case made its way to the Supreme Court. Chief Justice Marshall, to the surprise of many, denied the order that would have forced his nemesis to issue the judicial commissions. But the victory that he handed to Jefferson came with a silver lining to himself. The order was denied on the grounds that the part of the judiciary act that had given the Supreme Court the power to issue such orders was contrary to the Constitution. Writing for a unanimous court, Marshall declared that courts as well as other departments are bound by the Constitution and, more importantly, that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the Constitution means. In one fell swoop, Marshall gave up a small power that Congress had conferred on the court and took in exchange a larger overarching power to examine the ultimate constitutionality of all acts of Congress challenged in court. Despite the vehement disagreement of his cousin, Thomas Jefferson, this bold assertion by John Marshall has survived as the official answer to this day. The lessons to be learned from the story of Jefferson and Marshall are too many to recount tonight. It's the story of a government that develops and grows and changes over time. It's the story of large institutions competing and accommodating in ways that both amaze and alarmist. Perhaps even more significantly, it's a story that begins a distinctively human thread that we will see woven throughout all of the historic episodes I will mention tonight. The judiciary and the presidency are inhabited by real people with real emotions, real foibles, and a very real, if sometimes conflicting, commitment to do what is right. A second historic moment of interaction between the presidency and the judiciary stars President Abraham Lincoln and Chief Justice Roger Taney. To my knowledge, it represents one of only two times that a sitting president has deliberately defied a direct Supreme Court order. In the early days of the Civil War, the fragile American nation faced serious threats from within. The southern states had broken away. European powers were poised to intervene and to divide our young nation permanently. And the war posed another sort of danger, a danger less obvious maybe than columns of soldiers marching through the countryside, but more insidious to a nation conceived in liberty. It was the danger that a government at war might use its extraordinary powers to stamp out political opposition. In April 1861, a trainload of Union soldiers passed through Baltimore in route to Washington, D.C. They were summoned to man the defensive fortifications around the capital. They were greeted by an angry mob of southern sympathizers in Baltimore, and they had to fight their way across that city to another train station where their train to Washington, D.C. waited. Later that night, local authorities who favored the south burned some of the bridges between the two cities. They cut telegraph lines between Baltimore and Washington, claiming that Union soldiers might come back looking for revenge. Congress was out of session, and President Lincoln found himself in a capital city with a rebel army to the south and a secession-minded mob to the north. Invoking his power as commander in chief, he authorized local military leaders to suspend the writ of habeas corpus along the railroad line from Washington, D.C. to Philadelphia. Essentially, this meant that the army could arrest civilians without getting a warrant from a court or without probable cause to believe a crime had been committed by the person arrested and without providing the speedy jury trial that the Constitution guarantees. A Mr. John Merrim, a member of the Maryland legislature, had been recruiting rebel soldiers. He was arrested by a Union general and hauled off to Fort McHenry in Baltimore Harbor. This was when Supreme Court justices still rode the circuit. They would hop on their horses or other carriages to serve as federal circuit judges around the country. When Merriman filed his request with his local circuit judge, he went to none other than Chief Justice Roger Taney, who was the circuit judge for that location. Taney was no friend of the Republican administration, and when he received Merriman's petition, he ordered the commander of Fort McHenry to bring Merriman to his court in Baltimore. Instead of complying, the commander sent back an aide bearing the message that the president had authorized the colonel, the commander, to suspend the writ of habeas corpus. This, as you can imagine, incensed Chief Justice Taney. He wrote a fiery opinion, saying that only Congress had the power to suspend habeas corpus. The president's job, he said, was merely to see that the laws be, as the Constitution says, faithfully executed. President Lincoln did not publicly respond to Taney's opinion until Congress met a month later on July 4th. And taking aim at Taney's assertion, he noted that in the Confederacy, the Constitution itself was being ignored. And that had he not acted, when he did, Washington D.C. would have fallen into southern hands, and there would have been no Congress to act in response to the rebellion. Lincoln famously asked, are all the laws but one to go un-executed, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated? Merriman stayed in jail, and scholars still debate whether President Lincoln had the authority as president to invoke the constitutional provisions suspending habeas corpus during the early days of the war. And I'm not going to wade into that debate tonight, but it suffices to note that in March 1863, Congress was in session and gave President Lincoln express legislative authority to suspend the writ, which then removed any constitutional obstacle to the detention of enemy southerners. And I think to President Lincoln's immense credit, he did not use the authority he asserted to trample on the civil liberties that the writ of habeas corpus was meant to protect. I think recent studies have made pretty clear that President Lincoln did not try to suppress political dissent, and he understood that a democracy grows stronger by allowing people to voice their opposition to government, even in the midst of war. Now he appreciated that the strength of the union lay not only in force of arms, but in the liberties that were guaranteed by the open and sometimes heated exchange of ideas. And he no doubt would have been pleased to know that after his assassination in the conclusion of the war, President Lincoln's predictions that habeas corpus would quickly be reinstated came to pass. In Lincoln's words, what constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army, but rather the love of liberty and the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of men in all lands everywhere. In this way, what might otherwise be remembered as a clash between these two large historic figures can be seen as a moment of large respect really for the rule of law by both the President and the Chief Justice. The constitutional debate they sparked continues even now, but I think we can appreciate the character of the two men behind this story, and their sincere even of conflicting examples of dedication to principle and to the people of this nation loom large even today. Now a third well-known account of the intersection between the large scopes of influence of the judiciary and the presidency is of course contained in the story of President Franklin Roosevelt's court expansion plan, which you heard a lot about today. The current headcount of justices is engraved neither in stone or in the Constitution. There have been so many fluctuations in the numbers of justices on the court that the history of the changes was put into a little verse to jog the memory. Congress decided at first to fix the number of justices at six. Congress planned on a change to five, but the six remained very much alive. Six high judges supreme as heaven and Jefferson added a number seven. Seven high judges all in a line, two more added and that made nine. Nine high judges were sitting when Lincoln made them and even ten. Ten high judges, very sedate. When Congress got through there were only eight. Eight high judges who wouldn't resign. President Grant brought the figure back to nine. Would a justice feel like a packed sardine if the number was raised to say 15? Well the last line of this little verse marks the so-called court packing plan of Franklin Roosevelt and citing the heavy workload and declining age or advancing age, I should say, of many of the Supreme Court's then sitting justices, President Roosevelt suggested the increase that would have raised the number to 15. However, I think historians have long focused on what's widely believed to be the real reason for the plan. He was more than a little annoyed that the justices were giving a thumbs down to so much of his New Deal legislation and he was not imagining things. In the 140 years between 1790 and 1930 the court had overruled only 60 acts of Congress, barely half an act a year, but during President Roosevelt's first term the court held unconstitutional 12 laws and some of those were the president's favorites. Indeed, on the aptly named Black Monday, May 27th, 1935, the Supreme Court struck down three pieces of legislation all at once. At that pace, President Roosevelt feared the court would soon dismantle his New Deal altogether, so his proposal was to get Congress to pass a bill that would let him appoint a new justice every time a justice turned 70. Coincidentally, six members of the court were over 70 at the time. There was a cartoon that was published that showed what people thought the president was doing. It shows the nine then-current justices sitting on the bench along with six President Roosevelt look-alikes. Finally, Senator Burton K. Wheeler of Montana obtained a letter at his request from Chief Justice Hughes. As Senator Wheeler recalled, you could have heard a comma drop in the caucus room as I read that letter aloud. In it, Chief Justice Hughes struck down the arguments offered by the president and his supporters. Hughes detailed how the court was fully abreast of its work, was not rejecting important cases to keep its dockets clean, and his last argument was the clincher. He said an increase in the number of the justices of the Supreme Court would not promote the efficiency of the court. It is believed it would impair that efficiency so long as the court acts as a unit. There would be more judges to hear, more judges to confer, more judges to discuss, more judges to be convinced and decide. The present number of justices is thought to be large enough so far as the prompt, adequate, and efficient conduct of the work of the court is concerned, said Chief Justice Hughes. President Roosevelt's court packing plan was dead, and so the court survived what many viewed as one of the biggest crisis the court faced in its history, and the court emerged larger in influence, if not in numbers, and much more keenly aware of its sometimes tenuous but always interesting relationship with the presidency. Now perhaps the most significant story to tell on this general subject, at least in terms of the legal president, is what I say for last. It takes place in April 1952 during the Korean War, and it features President Harry Truman and a steel workers union and Justice Robert Jackson, who you might be interested to know, had as a law clerk at the time a bright young lawyer by the name of William H. Rehnquist. Now at this critical time in the war effort, the steel industry and the union had reached an impasse in their negotiations. There was a looming strike by more than 600,000 workers, and it threatened to cripple the production of weapons and in President Truman's eyes, endanger American troops serving in Korea. Ever sympathetic to the steel workers, President Truman had worked for months to keep the strike at bay, and he turned to his advisors for counsel. The recommendation? He should seize the steel mills, forcing the companies and labor to return to the bargaining table, and management to retract what President Truman viewed as outrageous demands for regulatory approval of big price per ton increases. So President Truman took that advice, and just hours before the schedule strike, in an impromptu press conference, President Truman looked into the camera and announced on national television that he would order his Secretary of Commerce, Charles Sawyer, to take over the steel mills and keep them running. The President's advisors, it turned out, had not counted on the Supreme Court entering the fray. Historical documents now tell us that they counseled him that the odds were low, that the judiciary would involve itself in such a hot button issue, and that the short-lived seizure would serve its design purpose of nudging labor and management into more productive talks and have no wider ramifications. But what resulted was something much larger, an act that would forever impact the American presidency. And it produced a watershed Supreme Court decision, defining the limits on the scope of presidential power. It began with the U.S. District Court Judge David Pine, who to the surprise of the administration and even the steel company's own lawyers declared the seizure unconstitutional. Judge Pine said there was utter and complete lack of authoritative support for a President's seizure of private businesses. The Circuit Court of Appeals entered a stay, and the U.S. Supreme Court heard expedited arguments. In its decision in Youngstown Sheet and Steel, Sheet and Tube versus Sawyer, it echoed the District Court's rebuke of the President. He had indeed exceeded his powers under the Constitution, said the court. Writing for the majority, Justice Hugo Black rejected the administration's argument that in a time of war, the President could exercise his emergency powers in so broad a fashion as to be almost boundless. But the most enduring opinion in the case was the concurrence penned by Justice Jackson from Jamestown, New York, just up the road a little way. And by the way, the last Justice who never went to law school, he didn't even graduate from college. And he was educated in the public schools of Jamestown. Not too bad, right? Well, Justice Jackson, his opinion in that case, is very insightful on the issue of Presidential powers, and that's the real legacy of Youngstown Sheet and Tube. According to recent writings on this case, President Truman never one to keep his feelings masked, asked a top advisor to list on a single sheet of paper the reasons why the court's decision was wrong. The President took the sheet with him to a dinner hosted by Justice Black at his home after the release of the decision, and all the Justices had been invited and were present. And it was a sort of peace offering by Justice Black to the beleaguered President. And the first line of paper we're now told, read as follows, the Supreme Court substituted its judgment for that of the President as to the seriousness of the cessation of production of steel at this time. Now whether President Truman actually delivered that written message is unclear, but it was reported though that at the conclusion of that dinner, President Truman turned to Justice Black and said, I don't like your law, but this is mighty good bourbon. When the founders crafted the masterful Constitution that survives to this day, you think they could have imagined the drama of those stories I've just related tonight? And could they have anticipated the human dynamics and battles of will that would pepper the centuries to come and change the course of history in such fascinating ways? Maybe. At a minimum the framers foresaw there would be times of crisis, real and perceived, international and domestic, personal and political, and that these times would inevitably put the President in the boundary pushing role of defining his own powers and the courts in the precarious role of reviewing the President's acts. They knew because common sense dictates it that institutions that are large in power and large in their impact inevitably have run-hens that are large in scale and large in their ultimate consequences. But they also trusted, the framers did, that the balanced system of government that they had created would, at the end of the day, provide a larger perspective. They knew that the people of their fledgling nation could be counted on to choose their leaders wisely. At least that's what they thought then, I don't know if we do now or not, we'll see. And that those chosen could be counted on to respect the roles set out in the Constitution for them. And as we face the trials we do today, and we have some major ones with separation of powers issues, I think we can find hope in the dignity with which the Presidents and the judiciary have emerged from even the rockiest episodes of the past. And maybe when this speech is given again or the subject is addressed again in a future Presidential Library seminar, it will be remembered that at this time the tasks before us are large, they really are. But it will also be remembered that we, like our forebears, are probably strong enough to meet them. Thank you.


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Yeah Now two left in court Kings eight. I think Joe already did for Kings seven sure did two left Let's might as well kill that case can break tonight What else is on the side actually we blew through a lot of stuff on the side today Yeah, I think that might actually be The only thing close people kill that's like baseball Or that's that's at 25 left the select baseball the closest contenders football Maybe we were just talking Joe Burrow and all the 20 left and contenders football two left in court Kings Oh, that's definitely gonna break tonight The Warriors and T Wolves that's definitely happening that might be the last break. We'll see Uh, so some teams up for trade here Martin's got the piss and spurs that guy certified heat up for trade Paul's asking heat for magic Martin's asking spurs for heat warriors and clippers for grizzlies. Maybe a two-for-one deal So some cool trades coming up. Let's see if any of these happen No, thanks on the spurs magic Pissons for heat maybe Give another minute or so Should we put a timer on there trade timer like a kitchen kitchen timer We should have the google has a timer. Yeah, I used to do that. We should have a uh, I used to do that for the drafts we would do um In the garage we would uh put the timer up. Um, we need the jeopardy music playing during this though I think that's licensed like you two would silence our video No, I mean we put music all the time I think eventually we won't be able to play copyrighting music pretty soon I think it's trending that way. Yeah Oh We just have to create our own music All right Last call for trades last 30 seconds 15 to 30 seconds. I'm typing in trade window closed I'm putting the x emoji.  It's a cartoon going like this trade window closed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, something like that How do we get that? Who do we talk to? Magic for pelicans and grids. Okay, we're closing it. Sorry trade window closed Gotta try Hey, you never know it could be that one magic fan Who's just like f the pelicans And the grizzlies and the grizzlies It's like a three for one deal where there's three teams involved. That would be crazy. Um, we did have one time A kid trade the Edmunds and Oilers for like four or five teams and and then we pulled a mcdavid auto that was brutal Oh Oh, I remember that brutal I don't think he knew what he did It was like a $5,000 card. I think he kind of outsmart. I think he knew what was going on But he outsmarted himself. He was just like he was trying to play the other guy Yeah, he was just like oh he's like five teams and then yeah, I'll hit the auto What's the odds of a mcdavid popping and I'll end up with That was funny. Yeah All right So mosaic mega We have more mosaic in the store. We have two box break hangers. Oh, these are mosaic hangers. Celos. Yeah. Celos What did I say? You said mega. Okay, and here's the pink camo from the celos We have more mosaic celos Um, we'll have the pack fillers to get into tomorrow's mixer And then we'll have the two box multi-celo pack breaks that we've been doing separate from the mixer giveaways Let's go check that out. Here in fox. There's an early bird. There's our first zion. There's an early bird on the Um, there's a sleeve on this prison mega box Yeah, that's yeah, I never opened that before that confused me. Yeah There's like a sleeve slides slides dude imagine vinyls for 50 bucks. That'd be crazy now. They're like 400 Robert covington I'm gonna need more regular sleeves at some point too sleeves. Yeah There's our first lebron that gets sleeved. Thank you Silver derrick white make sure I put them in the right way here This is a mosaic cello. Look at that mosaic lebron james. Wow Nice one Does that pay for a mixer spot? I don't know Uh, this 200 bucks 200 bucks. I don't know what these go for. I know the silver goes for a lot 130 point.com. That's uh, paul nicks and the coach with the Lakers. There you go. They go paul. Nice one I'm curious to see what that goes for. Maybe worth grading There's ben simmons silver Possibly one of the best australian basketball, maybe the best australian basketball player ever. I don't know We'll Barton how many chips do we have? Yeah, how many does matthew delvedo have? Yeah, how many does Bill wennington have and patty mills Who's the guy in the bulls? I don't know. Patty mills is an australian Luke Longley. Yeah, or is he new zealand? I don't know. I don't know. You can't mix those two up. It's marvin bagley the third green Racist against aussies versus queens No, we don't have a penny sleeve holder. We just took um a slider box and converted it to a penny sleeve holder Oh, you told everyone our secrets Now other breakers are gonna copy it and I'll be like, oh, we're so efficient now. Yeah This curry warriors, obviously Those team you say hardship. There's a bull bull green Guy so tall. He almost You can't fit his whole body actually the feet get locked On the card can't fit him on a regular card They're gonna have to make box hoppers just for taco fall and bull bull To get him on Hi, remember when erin gordon jumped over taco ball? Dominique wilkins. That was kind of wack Yeah, honest, I like he was bending over, you know I just want to comment on how sharp taco fall looked Cameron johnson People still make fun of d wait for that night. He was because he gave that erin gordon thunk a nine Like people Taco fall addressed pretty well. He had like a sharp sports coat Well, it's taco fall.  For some reason apparently there's like this This title hero personality around taco fall like people think he's great. He's super nice. They gravitate towards him Like it's all with that one. Like there's a reason why he was there and erin gordon was like you come out You know, right like among players apparently he's just like really cool Yeah, he looks pretty chill Very Harris Zion base that's a nice one zion for adam cuperman and the pelicans Oh, yeah, yeah, we don't do that. We used to do the ziploc bag. Maybe Do we used to dig out the pennies out of there? I don't know. I think we did the we've done these for like five years at least Yeah, for a while once we Once we outsmarted ourselves once we got smart like this is it This is the way Yeah, this is actually we we used to not have that blank card down there Yeah, I don't know how they would just to kind of bend and then sink into the Yeah, they'd fall in they would fall in and it'd be really annoying. R.J. Barrett green mosaic What's up, uh, jeremy anderson? How's it going? Just watching the ufc fight here and ripping this kobe basketball mixer Yeah, I think the Opposing about nunez, but I don't know. Yeah, no one knows their name The men in nunez All right, the pink camos Have we pulled any bat barrels or knobs? No, right? Yeah I don't know we didn't get a lot of tier one this year We didn't no, I mean I maybe I'm thinking that that second batch got delayed So I think that might be part of the problem kendrick nun pink I don't think they made a lot this year.  So I'll just maybe they say the last name like in uh, like in korea Yeah in korea So in canada, they're like spencer felicia.  Yeah, yeah Who's in Toronto? But yeah, um, we should have some more monday one of our shipments got delayed actually. All right, so we got blaster hobby Whatever that was mega certified. This is a retail retail the mega mega mega prism certified hobby mosaic mega mega mosaic hangers and then vanguard Vanguard and i'm leaving the choice Two choices together and then the corking two corkings together one packer together. They're a speciale.  Yes boom Just in time for the life my laptop's gonna die Should I email you this place? Where's the charger? I don't know. Well, I think we'll be able to make it 10 minutes. Yeah Five minutes around. I know it got it went from 40 to To 27 and oh no, I fired up on my laptop on espm plus, right? Yeah, right Right, I'll send you my espm plus account right now. Actually Not on camera right now I'm gonna email it to your personal email my espn login. This seems to be on spot. Oh, yeah But then but then they might see my Personal info The slack people who read our slacks. Oh, that's true. I guess we're gonna watch the fight too Her eye looks red already. Are you gonna put it up here? I need a new battery Ben Simmons is our hollow express lane. This is a blaster. There's dame lillard pj washington There's your login. I see there's kawaii Leonard splash Why are you laughing at it crown Anthony town to my password is funny password. Yeah Darius basley purple Luca I guess I can't go to the orders though. Sorry Yeah, I'm just gonna fill in probably the orders at I mean nothing sold out. So really we don't have to go over. Yeah If nobody else wants to sell out that corking I guess we won't do it All right next box we've got a tyler lyden. This is a retail box of optic No, sir negative ghost rider jibari parker Lori marketing. There's a case open though. You sold out. You just opened that fresh box Tim hardaway jr. There's curry. There's a yabu selly hollow John Collins rage rookie Dwayne bacon. I forgot he's in this class too. Yeah, I mean I feel like kind of forgotten sometimes. Yeah, I mean Hall of Famer Yeah, doesn't he the commissioner of the chinese basketball? Is it? I think he's front office maybe Blake Griffin There's a checkerboard of nerk itch for the blazers and rookie rubio Which yoke itch robert? It feels a base it won't be but if it's a parallel or insert it will And that this nerk itch will definitely ship this this one It's a checkerboard. Do you know anything about a man in unionist like what her fighting style is? Um, she's brazilian. I believe so that's like that style in itself There you go the brazilian Cap capoana style All right, there's al-horfer. These of course ship. These are parallels. There's gran hill silver Deandre hunter base Kobe base will ship If nunias walked into jaspies alone and unarmed to rob us and I was there I would surrender That's what shan corbett says. Oh, wow, shan. Thanks for sticking up for the store. Yeah, you just just roll over just like that, huh? We're gonna have to rethink your contract.  Not not even a scratch on him just The french and world war two haven't you ever seen game of thrones where they defend the wall Night's watch you would never be oh tidal silver. Does that mean scion in our future? Sometimes they run together in prison Sean says she would murder us all. No, she's a fighter not a killer. Yeah, exactly She let us surrender, but you have to get to that point. Yeah, I mean you have to let her Yeah, at least put up a put up a little fight a little fight until you get choked out and blind and pass out Yeah, we're just fly as you like show show something. Just has he has you on the ground in one second I gotta wait in the white bladders.  Is police dispenser any good or is she just a lamb to slaughter here? I think she's good. Oh, she's good Okay, they show what rank she is before but I don't know. I'm suing in men and men is is already but yeah They're saying they're saying yeah, like this is she's pretty incredible mix up is saying this is literally a lioness playing with her prey Wow So it looks like she's already kind of done Felicia's not like she's no slouch though. I don't think so But ufc is the thing where it's like it's just the news could be leading the whole fight But this girl gets one good punch and right and then it's knocked out maybe That's why you never see a lot of ufc fighters with like perfect records. I feel like It's tough, right tough Unless you're just fighting soft opponents. Yeah, unless your weight class isn't very good or whatever Although that could be mnormaga meadow. I think is uh unafated But how many rounds do the do the women go in a main main event is anyone Think for a title fight. It's a normal amount, right five five. This might be three round fight because like oh, this is a five round fight Oh, okay undercard like two or three, right? Yeah I think the title she's defending her title. So There's a job ramp blue very nice gradient girl Look at that job ramp blue certified nice Memphis that's going out to Ryan shackleton That was tough. That was a clean clock to the felicia's face. This espm plus stream is very nice five felicia hd No hiccups in this buffering. No buffering 20 significant strikes for new nias one for spencer Then we got a kenny skywalker auto Yeah, but this goes as long five rounds, but this goes as long as new nias wants to Well, I mean we pay for this fight. So amanda let's let's give it a value for us. Give it three or four. Give it three or four rounds Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't put you on blast. I wouldn't put the security tape out Uh, there's bam out of bio number 25 for the heat Um, I don't know if the blue or reds are better. I like the blues personally I feel like they're a little More common than the reds though I like these ones too like the street art jerry culver Heard a lot of guys are high on this guy chuma okiki Someone some of the chest. Yeah, it's like his valleys are going up. Yeah, it's always going up. Yeah There's luka samanich. There's a jammer at base. It's nice There's a red rj. That's also nice and our second hit is jordan pool jersey auto for the golden state warriors alan from michigan university University of michigan That was a crazy crash back At least she has to attack Yeah, she's just kind of shitting back points. Yeah. I mean you got to go for it But she's already beaten up pretty much Okay, I believe this is two mosaic hangers Oh, well, she almost she tried to get a knee into nuñez's face didn't quite get enough green trials barkley I think he played for who in the longest Rockets group break checklist has it. Okay Goes to the team you play for longest. I believe it's rockets, but maybe I'm wrong There's koby white mba debut. That's nice These oranges are really nice. I like them a lot. Those all get sleeves exclusive to that box I think yeah, Teddy's got these hangers tonight jaspys.com his life are probably another hour and a half I believe these hangers are 79 99 on our website We also have sello packs. We also have Blasters of mosaic. So a lot of cool stuff At jaspys breaks on instagram Sean kemp nice And Zion bass nice Second one from mosaic. That's adam cupman Maybe send one to beckett gets a black label 10 You're looking at a hot card there hot That's why I kind of like beckett just because they're that black label throws a nice little mix in it Charles Barkley us a basketball sixers sixers Corner group break chocolate shows us on the screen If you want to There it is Look at that. Look at that extra technique. Where is it? Right there I'm pointing at it. Charles Barkley. Yeah, there it is sixers So I guess you play for the six race us a basketball and um, what should we call it? Vince Carter goes to the Raptors Oh, wow, they haven't retired already That's what I mean. We've got to check this first, right? Yeah, check those first. I forgot they put out And they did all the team So team you say goes about the group break checklist so Group break checklist.com mosaic basketball checklist group by team very convenient Yeah, those oranges are really should I get should I get one of those uh, this is a mega Should I get one of those ipad like holders where I can slip my hand through it and then hold on and hold it Like coaches do. Oh, yeah, those are fun Those are awesome. We should get a headset and yeah walk around with a headset and everything and be like Yep, that's uh, that's Vince Carter to the Raptors And I think these uh, these are called the blue reactive as blue reactives. I believe these are cool too Kind of like the oranges, but the blues are nice as well And all of those of course ship Yeah, I think you're lagging a little bit Robert if you just heard my reply John Morant, but you'll eventually catch up I guess Yeah, this uh, I don't know why they were high fiving each other at the end of the round I want to see more animosity. She's cooked You sound like those people who complain about the NBA where it's like, oh the players don't like each other anymore But then they showed the Jordan documentary and they're all like behind the scenes like high fiving and stuff like joking around It's just like social media caused people to now see the relationships between players, but they've always had that relationship I mean, they're all friends are old except uh for asia thomas and well no one likes asia thomas jordan And uh bill lambier and christian Inglis there's cody zehler and uh grace and alan People not like grace now. Yeah, he's He's got me kind of jeremy lamb. There's jason tatum silver He kicked people at duke. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he had like like multiple times. It wasn't just like this one time Wasn't a single time. No, it was like don't even see who did it like repeat offender. Yeah.  Yeah, just streaming on my own personal social media Oh john marant blue react to the real fans of joe specifically me You'll watch all my instagrams Uh current live odds felicia spencer plus 900 Plus 900. Wow Tram out waters That's actually not like It's a one of ten chance basically one of nine chance Yeah, it is but I mean like I said it has to be a one punch knockout thing All right, so we'll do vanguard that we'll do corking zaza and then uh Something else. I think the hit is on the bottom I already saw it too. So let's get this. I feel like if I knew anything about fighting Like if I knew that felicia spencer had the ability to be to like be a one punch knockout kind of gal, then I'd be like, yeah, sure Right, I'll do it, but I have no idea what her game is 31 of 49 and I just put a d coin the bottom there There's a redemption for darin collinson In-focus autographs any guesses. I think it's pastes, right? It's got to be indiana, right? Let me look it up indiana drafts a lot of ucla guys. Yeah, don't they have erin holiday too Yeah, and they got remember they drafted tj leaf out of ucla. Yeah They just like the pac-12 you play players 17 18 there's only there's only two rounds a year and I feel like right There's like you can only get the big two players a year unless they acquired them Like the last like five years seems to be like mostly ucla All right, show me darin collinson Pacers got nice indiana Home of the dog indiana What is indiana home of the hoosiers and boosiers? Yeah ryan shackleton Also the fictional town of pawny indiana in parks and recreation All right, we got number 10 kaleb swanigan two-color patch auto. I kind of like this vanguard I kind of wish they'd bring it back. I think it's in chronicles, but Kind of like it kind of dig it I do too actually Nine of ten. I like kind of like the the box kind of lot going on, but some of them are nice I like the color palette. It's really nice on that. It's nice. Yeah. I like these a lot. It's like a lightning bolt behind there is a rider On card And you can actually see like the lines right there for lightning strike high voltage auto 35 a 99 that's e-wolves logo bring back that t-wolf That's e-wolf is much bring back that wolf. Yeah, that's much more medicine than than this year. I want old nuggets logo guy No, yeah, I want the little miner the little miner. Yeah, I love pickaxe and he's just like he's doing like a flying x Like he looks like he just jumped in the air and he was like That one's cool. Yeah Bring that guy back and look at this number to 99 RPA Lonzo ball Bang See, I like the photo where it's a full color. You know, there's no background blur You can see imagine if you're one of these people in the audience in the crowd bag I'd PC that card all day long. I'd PC that card all day None of these people probably even know they're on a basketball card Those coaches might the coaches but not the the fans. No, actually. Yeah. No.  Yeah, that's a uh prime prospects rpa. This is of course lakers going out to paul nixon Back of the car looks nice too. Yeah, uh the Lonzo balls could be going up in value now that the pelicans have a shot at the playoffs Shawna getting the eight seed All right, so we'll do 1819 court kings and 1920 and then we'll do the prism choice and then donner's choice This fight's kind of over right I I guess so because flesha's not really attacking. No, she's not doing squat. She's she just doesn't want to get knocked out at this point I think that's what it is. She's fighting scared fine for her life. Yeah Shaquille O'Neal portraits red. That's 22 of 99 Wendell Carter jr. And owns a level two And I think what was it mark? It's like nunez could just end this whenever she wants to at this point So if you just just steps into it redemption coming up any guesses Will they call a sign 1819? Zach Levine, can you guess luka donchich luka? Yeah, I think he was a redemption chemo garnet points in the paint They haven't changed this insert sat much And then erin holiday rookie portraits number to 199 pacers Don't they have drew holiday? Maybe not. All right, we'll save the redemption Pelicans have revolved it We have number 149 Courtney lee impressionist ink auto for the New york nicks What was that Lonzo number two 99 New york nicks that one's going out to ryan shackleton and the redemption. Good luck Am I the only one who considers thinks spencer's corner should throw the towel? That's a tweet that they just broadcasted Oh air parents wobbly like air parents sapphire. What is that number two her hands are still up I feel like sapphire. That should be a one-on-one, right? I don't think it is sounds like a 25 Sounds like a 49, right? And then I'll say or less or something. Yeah It's a sapphire something card for m ma Matt ma are marvel mark mark Marvel marvel captain marvel marvin marvin harrison marvin bagley third bag lee the third air apparent Sean is guessing number to five joe guests numbered to 25 I guess 49 or less it is air apparent Number to 25 joe joe nailed it boom kings Steven peat ding ding ding Hit that bell congrats now you get a you want to fight with amanda new yas You get a fighter in a ring down. She's down. Oh, I thought new yas is going to finish it It's like when people who don't really watch baseball a lot In the game, you know how when they hit a fly ball people go. Whoa, and it's like absolutely like the people who like It's a pop out.  It's a fly out. Was he so disappointed? Yeah disappointed. He thought it was gone. Yeah Yeah, if you don't want you you can tell you can tell if he doesn't watch a lot of baseball And you can be like uh morning track Pop out apprentice artist. Let me kill alexander walker, especially if you if it's like your third or fourth game of the year Oh, look at this. Joe. Uh, sorry. John Morant. Maestro. I almost called him Joe Moran. Joe Moran? Maestro for Ryan Shackles and Grizzlies. He got right back up Nice one there a lot of nice, uh, rookies here and we have Eric Pascal level two right the three, uh, three base Kelton Johnson level one derries garland level one And luca look at that for the maves 24 out of 149 points in the paint It's a cool looking card Dallas maverick steven Nothing else sold out after this. So are we done after this or do we want to fill that court kinks? Let me know First auto's fat lever Denver nuggets See I like this nuggets logo It's not the mining guy like it's the mountain with the rainbow eight of 49 jerseys are pretty cool the skyline. Yeah That's uh, robert and then we have a seddie osman who I believe is also australian, right? Is he? Yeah, I don't know I thought he was here Maybe is That's 1999 19 of 99 All right two boxes to go The most high-end boxes We have Donner's choice and then prism choice I've never opened one of these actually I'm no choice. I haven't opened a Donner's choice I feel like they're kind of hard to find in the wild Of the uh a wild distributor streeters Look at this rj barrett. Nice. I like these cards It's like a maze. I don't know what that refractors call, but A mojo maybe and carson edwards She's just gushing blood. All right. There's jaylon mcdaniels She's like teeing off Tygerone and treymont waters There's chuma okiki number to 35 27 of 35 for the orlanda magic going out to paul nixon We're just talking about this guy Steven says they're called the silver infinite Infinite Spencer din witty to 99 Felicia Spencer She's dunzo. She's dunzo. Yeah Terrence ferguson to 99 and Our first hit is a kevin porter jr. Next day on card auto For the calves going out to steven Believe once a u.s.c. I want to say that's a nice one And we have the artist gilmore san antonio edition number to 99 19 of 99 on that San antonio edition of artist gilmore going to martin It's a nice box of donner's choice there Now let's do the prism choice. Let's see a tiger stripe Oh, we do have a tiger stripe. So let me slide off To there And do that. All right, we have chandler parson's. This is a red else number 19 16 of 88 For the hawks. There's a markel folds Look at that zion green and yellow Wow That's a huge card pelicans is adam cupperman Nice adam And then autoporter green yellow These are exclusive to the optic choice The highest brand of uh prism What does that thing go for? Wow last one went for raw went for $1,175 Wow, bang when was that may 31st? May 31st Have they all been there? They've just been going up 1863 on may 18th 1,800 bucks on may 18 Uh three thousand dollars back at nine five. That's a huge card nice My reaction was not appropriate to the towards the value. I guess I thought it was like a three four hundred dollar card Josh and cogey golly. That's a nice card. That's a nice card. What's up, mario? We have a tiger stripe. We'll save the tiger. We'll show the autograph. It is for the baltimore bullets Totally know where that's going jack maren Any any uh thoughts on the baltimore bullets. Do you know where they go? Yeah, where does that go? I thought you would know no washington Washington bullets they turn into the washington. They must have right and then the wizards Yeah, did the water did the bullets turn into a different team? I should go to question shan says wizards. So maybe it is wizards I just assumed it was Baltimore's close up to dc right where they were just moving kevin says wizards steven says wizards I'm just going over to dc and then you'd be like Yeah, just it's across the uh the interstate there. I don't know what this checklist will show Yeah wizards, thank you everybody Or at least cut pre-cut Are these pre-cut posts enough? I think I did cut them They're not pre-cut I cut them All right, any guesses on the tiger?  Thanks everybody We're gonna have another basketball mixer on sunday. So definitely get down that Try to pull some monsters like this Honestly couldn't tell you what I think it would grade. I think the centering maybe a little off Although you can usually tell the centering in this rookie card logo The centering in that thing is perfect. It's not out of it at all So I don't know definitely worth probably grading. I would think the surface clean off the surface and stuff So there you go. Thanks everybody. We're giving away this Kobe Bryant topped chrome rookie card 96 97 Kobe So we're gonna take all 30 customer names They call time out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're allowed to do that Like only on or the ref on on like medical or like if you're bleeding too much, maybe All right, so we're gonna take all 30 customer names And randomize the two dice after six times the name on top wins the Kobe Bryant tops chrome rookie card two three four five six and final time Four and two six times name on top steven ballies after uh six times from the mosaic salopak number eight There you go. Congrats Steven. You get the Kobe Bryant tops chrome rookie card So thanks everybody. Appreciate it getting in. Um, very fun mixer. We'll have another one sundae probably another one monday So check it out. Jaspy's case breaks.com