and we're live Episode 286 are they episodes are they just what should I title it like I was called lock There's a number 286 because I don't really know they're not really episodic They're just numbers that increment every week that I do this Where is a good place to buy a Quotum, you know this is gonna come up So let's talk about that after we get through a couple other things I will bring it up. So we till the class is in session and everyone has taken their seats and there's more people But I don't mind talking about because we even bought and I'll mention this well, I'll throw a link in here But we'll talk about them shortly We get a link ready though, so that's what we got to start with when everyone's ramping up and joining in Here we go And we'll even start by sharing this link with people we're gonna Copy it, you know what? I'll put it I'm gonna add it to the description as we speak because that way when you go into the description you can find it This is gonna be Quotum huge seven something something Whatever that number is it is now in the description that way I don't forget later when someone says you said you were gonna put that in a description You're right. I forget to put things in the description I have to do it in real time So Tom doesn't forget but I'll also share my screen to discuss this because I think this is worth bringing up But I'll dive into it a little more, but this is what we'll talk about shortly This is one of those cotum routers Purchase two times. Yes, we bought a couple of these and been testing them and it seems to work well So for those wondering Did I drop the link in here too There we go make sure the link gets in here All right, I have shared the link and we're not gonna discuss this right now We're gonna discuss a few other things, but at least we'll make mention of that particular thing because someone had asked Alright, so where's a good place to buy Amazon generally is a good place. Good afternoon. Hello from South Africa. Ah So let's see We'll get the hellos from all over it. We got a hello from the half melted middle of Tennessee Is it warm down there right now in Tennessee? So that I don't know I don't I didn't look at the weather there. It's beautiful here in the sunny Detroit area We're not looking bad here, but the Can't speak for some of the other areas, but one of the things I want to get out of the way Let me find this one to This isn't my title and I just want to bring it up It's something I'll be talking about more in the future not a lot on this particular video But it's going to be about business email compromise. I've actually been working on a video for a little bit about it Business email compromise or BEC is they like to shorten it up to be is probably one of those Massively huge threats that people don't realize how big it is because it's so hard to document Because they just don't the unless it gets directly reported and then to like an agency such as the FBI and then the FBI Gather statistics and release them which they did release of statistics. It's one of those things that's Hard to gather just how big of a problem it is, but I know it's a really big problem Because that's what people do and Linus tech tips not that long ago earlier this year got scammed out of like $90,000 not because he was compromised or his email was compromised But the company he was doing business with had said yes go ahead and send the money here only he wasn't actually talking to that company Someone had gotten in their email and compromised them. So that's gonna be it's a topic It's gonna be a requirement and I'm bringing all this up because I have this in the title and this is the mention I'm gonna have for it. This is a fin security. It's a company that I am going to be very upfront about I Invested in them. We like the product we started testing and using your product and then an opportunity came up to be an investor So it is more than a bias. I have towards the product. I literally put my money into funding this So I just wanted to bring it up and be very clear on that So if I mention it and then I'm gonna make sure because I don't have any other companies that I have in Dollars I'm like I buy product and use product, but this is different. I invested in product So I always like to be very clear because when I do review something if I have any affiliations or biases I like to put those out front. So yeah, this isn't an interesting and I'll just leave a link to it I'll be talking about another video because people do ask about fishing and things like that and how you do awareness training And that's what this is phishing phishing simulation awareness training, etc So it'll be something you'll see a couple mentions on my channel and the founder Connor awesome person You know regular conversations I have with them because when you put money in you like to know how that money's doing and what they're doing with the money, so But none the less similar to know before Is same category of business but way better than know before like they did some clever clever things They did things clever enough that Tom pulled money and and gave them quite a bit of it. So that's It there really came up with it does what know before does but better I'd they actually do a few things that I haven't seen anyone else do I'm gonna dive into a review of it though. They're awesome if you want to do a demo just reach out to them They have the schedule a demo first thing on there. This is not for end users This is for IT businesses that would like to use this That's their whole thing. That's why it says channel only they're not like so you can buy it It's made for like an IT company like myself to use across all their user base and it's really really easy to use So I left the Lynn a Finn security's name I left the link that I threw down in there, but it's Finn sec PHIN SEC.io is their website I'm also going to add that to the description just for people wondering but I was just excited about it because I you know We've I signed all the papers. I could talk about that. I am an investor now So it's just giving them a shout out If in if you're an MSP or an IT that are looking To use this hey check it out or if you just want to message me on my forums on it They'll be we're actually going to do on my business channel a business discussion with some of the other investors or at least I Plan to do it. I think I can get the other investors to join me on camera This will be something and focused on my business technicalities channel for that I'll do a technical discussion For this channel about what it is because people always curious about the tools we use like when I did my recent video on How we handle web filtering and content filtering I like just to share the tools we're using I didn't invest any of those companies in that one, but this one's a little different So nonetheless thought this would be interesting out this one to bring it up get out of the way That's as much as I'll be talking about it for now But hit me up in forums and things like that too. So Hello from Poland. All right So Travis good afternoon, everyone. Awesome Talk to them about all their price structures and everything else. I don't want to misquote anything there if you're if you're a IT MSP business just reach out to him says you're demo telling Tom said hi and Say I heard from that Tom guy. He seems to lay like you so it's fine, too. So Yeah So nonetheless, like I said, it has a specific audience where they're targeting you where their growth is But you know, feel free to have a conversation with me offline I don't want to occupy the entire blog about it because I do have something Relatively important to talk about that I want to get there. So How do you create personal admin accounts for your staff on new clients we have company accounts on There we'll have an LTS account that we create on the clients as when that's needed So it kind of varies and depends On the situation because it would be it would not be simple to I mean would it be simple But just be stupid in some ways it'd be hard to manage I should say if I created all my staff each had an account on every one of my clients I mean we actively right now. I think it's Possibly about right around 70 businesses So if you have 70 businesses and you have X number of employees seven right now is how many employees we have How do you manage to create 70 times seven? That's a lot. So it's not the most ideal way to do it as best I would describe there Yeah What message is that all right nothing I need to deal with right now put my phone on mute We're supposed to be all right moving on Ah Doesn't generic account cause audit issues Depends it varies. Like I said, there's not everyone looking for the absolute one-way cookie cutter. It all depends on how That's being done and what the client needs are we do a lot of co-managed IT So sometimes we don't have accounts They create a temporary account for us to get something done and then they turn it off because we don't need necessarily an active account all the time Sometimes it's they're granting us privilege on an as needed basis and locking it back down that You know, those are things that can be done Uh, I talked about rust desk last week the problem I have with any of these Alternatives and I'll bring up. I'll pull up rust desk real quick Uh, I think isn't just rust desk You know, I thought about looking here's the problem as I thought about looking at it And playing with it, you know, because it's neat. There's already some videos that are you I think Awesome open source set of video on it already. The problem I have with these is Until someone pokes at their security um I don't trust it that someone couldn't compromise it Uh, it it's and it's not easy to find Um, good security professionals who have the time to poke at free projects That that's why I'm so careful before I really want to you know, try something because If this has remote access to lots of computers, you now have a giant mess on your hands if there's a Just glaring security hole, uh, you know, it was a little while back and I don't know if it was fixed Someone had pointed out and I don't know what happened to this project. I think I got abandoned But I remember it was only maybe last year. One of my security friends I said, what do you think of this? An hour goes by he pops back. He goes they have three sequel injections I messaged them to see if they reply. I would never use a product It seems to be really poorly written and I was just like and it was one of some open source project And it took them less than an hour to find three major security problems He's like I can bypass the login already and I'm just like Yeah, especially for something that has remote access. I'm very careful before I throw my recommendation So do I think it's neat? Yes. Use it over a vpn. Sure expose it to the internet I at your own risk not my risk your own risk So I think it's neat that these things exist until someone really starts messing with it Um Yeah, that's not really Uh something we do I'd be interested to know if you use any tools for ipam. Uh, we use spreadsheets and Plan when we do planning, we'll do a spreadsheet to understand where all the ip addresses are and everything that we don't know We need an ipam thing I'll leave in some of the large companies we have just don't have it. It's everyone starts out with the mission I'm going to do this beautifully managed a group of ip addresses now the people that have to have an ipam, you know, someone like Linode they have to manage all these public ip addresses as they assign the virtual machines So yes, you're definitely going to see a solution here, but uh businesses not always So it's um, they're neat, but I don't have time to really dive into them because I don't use them every day So it'd be one of those. I I you know, I thought I was setting up net box. Uh net box is pretty cool I think and I could be wrong. Let me look up net box. Is it maintained by digital ocean? It's an open source project Uh, this is net box and the url for it is uh in the links other store link and you google net box. It's the first result um the net box software is one of them that can do it and you can even do um Integrations with things such as xcpng my other favorite, but this way you can do things like yeah This was developed by the networking team at digital ocean. Um, maybe I'll do you know This question comes up enough and I always found it simple and maybe People need that structure. So it's uh, simple to them. Maybe I'll put together a spreadsheet on how we do things uh for one more planning networks So It you know, maybe that'll be helpful. Uh, I can put it together. I don't have I don't really have a temp I guess I have a template. I don't have a blank template. I can just send you now But I'll further the video that's a that's worthy of a video. I think because this question does come up quite a bit so Even paid alternatives to rust test can have security holes. Yes matter of fact Infamously the and I've covered this on my channel. I use screen connect. Well, which became connect wise control And uh, we've had to deal with I mean they their security problems They they weren't glaring They were annoying, but they still needed to be fixed and it didn't I had a whole video I did with the folks over at bishop fox Because it the engagement was really poor from the team over The initial one the connect wise team not the screen connect team. There's a difference. I know people see As connect wise owns the company. So it's just one thing. No connect wise had some really bad attitudes when it came to security About wanting to spend the time on it and when they In a bought screen connect, uh, there was just some general bad practices on the way the hosting system worked That's all been fixed. That's been a while ago and they've become Connect wise as a whole has become substantially better at how they handle it. But you're right and this is this is a, uh Paid expensive so to speak depending on your perspective But it is a paid service with a team of people behind it And uh, yeah, that security testing is difficult and it people find holes in it Uh, what are your thoughts on running a unified controller on a pie? Uh, it works people seem to do it I never do it because it doesn't seem like it has quite enough And and we can't do it really for us the we don't have enough horsepower for people who Need to run the unified controller locally a small business that says we want to have it internally And we don't want to use an external service like hostify or whatever We just recommend the cloud key and with the current shortage of raspberry pies The cloud key kind of makes a little bit of sense. So IPM is usually new inherited a messy network. Yeah Just putting just going through and assigning everything and organizing it Helps, you know, we do dhcp reservations for everything. That's We I spent a lot of time organizing it. So Uh, do you know of any uh paid dns block list? Nope, I don't Not for pf blocker. I I don't really keep up with that as much and Yeah, I don't know, uh, I can't really think of a paid one off the top of my head You use netboxes that are sure awesome Other people chiming in it's a good combination. Great. That's good to hear That is yeah, the um, it's an overall it's a nice system Um, if people seem to like it, I haven't really doped any net box myself using it. Maybe one day Um, but was rebuilding a new lab and we have a lot of things going in there So there there could be a time when I don't just sit there and put them all in the spreadsheet and map them all out So I guess that's a that's a possibility Um, but spreadsheets work really really well One of the advantages of using spreadsheets too is, um Being able to go through and Uh list out all your vlands and everything and then build your multiple sites because a lot of times you got to drop the Customers into some type of templating like that in order to get all their vpn set up because you have to map all the different things going on there Because sometimes and this is where the challenges come in In even if the sites aren't very big you'll end up with a tech who wasn't forward thinking when they set it up And the technician will say i'm going to make everyone the same ip range at all locations and then you're like, uh, yeah That time we had to do a vpn at 12 locations and they were all set up identical Well, we picked the main location and then changed 11 locations to have different non overlapping ip ranges so we could let them the vpn back into the main office So that happens Do you use splash up through ninja one or enable it to end users? Yes and yes Uh, we do have that And splash top is included in ninja one, but once you've used splash top um, you know how like there's There's things that are okay and work and then there's something that's amazing That's the difference between splash top which works and Screen connect slash connect wise control, which is amazing. So um, yeah Any thoughts on dark cubed? Uh, I don't they have a paid feed. They do I was shocked that they support pf sense Um, they messaged me and I said do you support pf sense? They said yes They said you understand product. I said do you support pf sense? They said yes I said that's awesome and they didn't reply back So I didn't ask them anything else to make them reply back But I thought they had a simple pricing model and you know feeds. I am Um I am not overly enthusiastic that someone has such an amazing threat intelligence feed that it's so good Um, I should pay for it matter of fact the only place I think that does have an amazing threat intelligence feed is the people at crowdsack because of the way they accumulate the data Having threat intelligence feeds hard. It's really hard. Um, it's it's I don't know I mean cool If you know the latest command and control servers and you found one you added it to a list and we're parsing that list with an alias so we can block them, but It's it's kind of uh, it's it's needle in a haystack stuff. It's not my favorite If if you've done everything else Do that, but if you think that will be something using a black hole list will be something you can do instead of doing Everything else you're wrong. Uh, you're gonna get hit. That's you're gonna find that that's not the best way to do it That's how I feel about people when they start to jumping in I want a full ideas system and uh full sock monitoring What are you gonna do with your endpoints? Oh, we'll get around that later. No, no, no endpoints first Then work your way through till you get to that. That's my opinion. Fight me in the comments Uh, let's see Uh, what do you think of sunny valley? It looks interesting. I've never really used it. I read about it I talked to them at a conversation with them. Maybe a few years ago Uh, they talked about I think they have an option now to be to bring it into pfSense It comes back to what I was just talking about when we actually you probably posted a comment before I had mentioned it of You know people focusing a lot on the ids thing You know, um, if you've fixed everything else and you have all your endpoints nice and tight, uh, in lockdown Then you think about that. So Pine holes. All right, people like it. Um Sensei that's the other name for it. Sunny Valley Networks, but there's also called sensei sensei or sensei sensei Maybe I need a fanatic spelling of it to make sure I'm doing it, right? So I can confirm based on the opinion the built-in splash top of ninja is not as good as standalone splash top Uh, it was also not as good as screen connect. Once you've used screen connect. You're like, yeah, this is uh This is uh, this is uh, this is great Screen connect they added these new features. It's nice. You can like dock things on the side You can grab screenshots that automatically go into google for you. There's all this nicety about screen connect I think I've done I have all those niceties Maybe except for the docking parks that's new. It's all in my screen connect demo I really like it. It just works So yeah, it's definitely nice nebula I don't expect nebula to get integration But obviously for those of you that may follow me on twitter or follow, uh, christian mcdonnell He announced that they're gonna have a tail scale plugin for pf sense. So tail scale I think that's a pretty cool, uh plugin to do have in there Obviously, I like zero tier. I met I met them first and started using your product first and we like it But tail scale is a good product too. And I think the tool is called. Let me find it real quick Um, so I can make sure I'm referencing it. I have not used this But I know people have been talking about it. It's called head scale And what head scale does it's a way to manage, uh, tail scale without tail scale. So I have not used this but it looks pretty neat. It's called if you type in head scale tail scale You can find it. It's basically because tail scale is got an open source client But a closed source control plane. This is a way to, uh, use this, um, because as it says right here Zoom it in Everything in tail scale is open source except the GUI clients for proprietary os windows and the control server. So this this plans to You know, uh supplement the control service. So yeah, it's kind of cool that's coming in there Love tail scale uses a lot especially nice when tail scale has this analogy package makes it option very easy Well, not just a analogy package. We um, but a package for a lot of different platforms So being able to do tail scale on a handful of different devices including your pf sense And use the different routing options. They have that's one of the things that christian had demoed in that video I think they because tail scale has a nice easy Way to do that. Um I it's going to be a popular way to get around like cg net problems people have so i'm kind of a I'm kind of excited to dive into it. Uh, just google head head scale Tail scale and you'll find the github project. I mean, I can drop a link in here for it. Um, for those wondering, there's a link It's yeah It's uh, it's a nice little project but Let's get to the security topic I wanted to talk about because this is um Just silliness on the part of microsoft And there's a lot to unpack here and I may do a separate video on it But I want to bring it to people's attention. It's basically this is the, um CEO of tenable and uh Summing a little bit here so you can see his name chairman CEO tenable A lack of transparency in cyber security puts at all this risk with more than 25 years in cyber security And a reputation for posting speaking kindly. I think this issue is too important to stay silent on it Can only imagine how many security professionals and researchers get silenced by lawyers or otherwise That don't have the platform for their voice to be heard now The gist of this and I'll drop a link again to this if anyone wants to read all this. It's not hard to find uh, but essentially what he's saying here is Tenable is reporting bugs to microsoft and because microsoft in azure Cloud apps don't have cvs. We don't have to tell people about it. We don't jump on them right away It's not until tenable made some noise that they decided to actually fix A cross tenant like you could be one tenant and get over to other people's data type of problem In my goal here is not to just bash on microsoft. My goal is to keep my clients safe Microsoft if they perform properly and and take security seriously Then becomes part of my ally of keeping my clients safe But when microsoft ignores things it's not about bashing on microsoft when they are purposely ignoring bug bounty reports bug reports and using bug bounties to say shut up and don't talk about it and You know, we're going to extend the vulnerability disclosure because we don't feel like working at it right now They suddenly have become the enemy of security because there is a known problem They're not addressing and therefore my goal is the same no matter what my goal is to keep the client secure microsoft's either a partner in that Or the enemy of it and it's as simple as that. It's a one or zero guys this is a binary type of thing and This is becoming kind of a bigger and bigger problem as microsoft has such a stranglehold on the market And it kind of drives me nuts because I see people like trying to force the issue Especially in the tech market. They got to go microsoft. You have to I'm like, no We like clients who consider other solutions because I think the market needs some more diversity Microsoft is able to ignore security and put profit first because where are you going to go? Not use us as kind of their attitude. This is the same thing with the exchange problem they had about a year ago one of the Uh exchange errors they had or in exchange the um, well, I can't really even the the flaw But basically allowed you to spawn shell on exchange. I had a weird name Microsoft knew about it for months and did nothing because they weighed the risk We have a monopoly on exchange people won't move away from this product Do we have to spend time fixing it? It costs money to fix it It is only bad publicity because they can't switch to another product. Therefore, we will not fix it Now do microsoft say that publicly? No, but did they behave in a way that you can assume no other answer? Then yes, that's exactly what they made a decision. It was a business hafnium. I see people. Thank you very much hafnium I knew I had a weird name. So these are the problems with microsoft and I thought about putting together maybe a little You know a dedicated video this where it's not that i'm anti microsoft at all. That's really Um, not the stance. It's i'm pro security for my clients and any companies that are willing to Work with that cause of keeping clients secure versus companies that go Hey, I've got a stranglehold on this particular niche in the market Well, not niche platform really and that is A real problem when they don't care because if they don't care Then how do you keep your clients secure? This is just this constant battle you go back and forth with It's also the endless job I have of working in tech and security and what keeps you up at night going, you know There's some flaw that microsoft may or may not decide to patch that's going to be around for a long time Now even look at print nightmare Mitigations around that were a mess microsoft really Did not put the resources that could have been done to make that problem go away faster because they just didn't care And it's just one of those things that just drives you crazy because You think they make a good decision and they do for a minute and then they roll it back microsoft rolls back decision to block office macros It's 2022 folks. Why are we still dealing with this because i've been dealing with office macros being an exploit in a way In for clients constantly so you're working around to fix and and close all the holes around here and like I said, this is not a Rant just to bash on microsoft It's just showing and reminding people that microsoft is not aligning themselves with the goal of keeping our clients safe and secure As long as they're opposing that goal here. We are talking about them because I have to come up with solutions to fix this so yes, um No matter what it does some of our abilities and user system need to be locked down and users need to be trained I love the idea of going fishing awareness training. Yes, I'll agree with all that to an extent Oh microsoft reversed the reverse So wait, is this the reversey reversey card now? They're going back on it My understanding is they're only going to block the internet ones. So they made a half They they they didn't do a full 360 on it.  All I still have to deal with ms access databases Yeah, I mean it's a mess and uh, there's a lot of takes and some good hot takes. I'm a big fan Patrick gray risky business podcast. He's covered this Um, the azure one was just glaring the you know, that's why the ceo tenables chose to spoke out on it, but yeah Yes, internet ones. So It's just a mess It's microsoft's just making it hard and they're the dominant player So it just makes it harder. It's like I because I can't just tell all my clients who have deeply embedded applications that use microsoft Not to use microsoft. That's not reasonable people always ask. Well, don't you push your clients to linux tom? No, I live in the real world I mean unicorn to cool, but um, not many unicorn companies can just run everything on linux It's just not necessarily tenable and by the way, most companies could care less about what operating system may run They think of it just as one more tool in the tool chest of things that they need to operate their business It's not their primary goal to think about operating systems But how this computer the tool as they perceive it can get their task done if they're delivering freight They care a lot about delivering freight and the tools they need to deliver that freight, you know, they care what truck they drive They may care what trailers they purchase or where they warehouse it or what computers The brand and all that doesn't matter as long as it can process and let us know where that freight is So they can do things or they care if they can build an invoice because that pretty much all happens on computer now, so yes, it is that Law firms are bad on macros and so are automotive suppliers Bid sheets frequently come through with tons of embedded macros. So it just Makes it a mess Makes it a mess. Yes Yeah, it's um, it's a little I just something I wanted to kind of rant about because a lot of people like you're just anti-microsoft I'm like I'm just pro security And if microsoft does things that are pro security, wonderful They are my friend. They they want to also keep azure locked down. So, you know, clients that use it Don't get to interact with other clients data Because of a flaw Yeah Wish it was yours and one's been uh been on the windows update team Uh, it's never as easy as sounds impacting code with qa testing takes real time Oh, yeah, when they got rid of all the qa testers It suddenly takes no time to do qa testing when you don't do it microsoft's um, you know idea of throwing it out to the wild It makes it worse, but it's more than qa Because you look at the hafnium one microsoft knew about it for months and did not action on it They could have at the very least told people to put some type of web application firewall Or something along those lines in front of their exchange servers to minimize it So, hey, look for these patterns coming through your application firewall you could have yara Is yara yara rules and or snort or any of those to start looking at the traffic and go look for this pattern of behavior To stop things from coming in, you know, you put something in front of exchange to mitigate it We may not have exchange patch, but we have something in between that will slow them down And hopefully not keep this exploit rolling, but microsoft just ignore it So that's how that ended up And uh, that means they don't care about security. That's not even about a qa testing at that point. That's just What are we going to do? matter of fact, there's probably some Meeting somewhere that was off the books that says, you know what this will do push people to get rid of that on-prem exchange because cloud because cloud is where we get recurring revenue and uh, we make security an upsell because security and monitoring That's not going to come with your basic basic office 365 license You need to buy a higher license to get more features because security is an upsell here at microsoft It's not part of the basic set. So yes Yeah, it's um It's just a pain and it's the pain It's why this industry can be a bit challenging and sometimes exhausting because You think the largest companies in there would be your allies, but instead they're part of the problem. So So There we go. I used to work for a multi-billion dollar construction company They don't care about security and said they put all their trust in the accounting department to verify before they cut the checks, right? Yeah for sure it's um It's just a mess. That's the status of it right now Hey, willy house in here even the newest version of exchange is now recurring revenue Yeah Because you can't own it you're right and microsoft and in everyone I mean, we already know and i gotta pull this article up because this is fun of you, um I just love this. This is let me find a good article on it If someone's got to know where i'm going with this Subscriptions for heated seats Heated seats as a service is it Heated seats h sass. Is this what we're gonna call this h sass Everything's a subscription yeah it's just uh It's just a mess So all the companies the car companies are finally going. You know what those companies have that we like Everything has a subscription. I mean It's just a matter of time before all the fast food is uh You know all like this, you know, you just buy I I can't remember if it's what there's a couple places Maybe it's panera. Um, you know taco bell subscriptions.  It's the future folks Not my future. I hope Uh bmw though, they're like, yes. Yes I heard the bmw thing makes sense as they could just produce the same card and save and savings and apparently you could just buy Or so they claim well, it's not really savings because savings is I didn't add extra things in the car that don't get used So cost savings doesn't come from That it's recurring revenue. So I I would not believe it's a cost savings to add a feature to every vehicle but not turn it on Because you have a fixed cost to put those features in there matter of fact one of the things I um You know, I like is one company streamline things and have fewer offerings. Sometimes car companies are You know, this is one of the things that makes tesla appealing to a lot of younger people is the fact that cool It doesn't have as many options and Porsche, you know, when they came out their tie can they were bragging about There's 78 different things you can choose from and not everyone always wants to do that. So yeah I don't know You will own nothing and like it. Yes Yeah, yep, yep I'm famous. It's good. Maybe software companies make backup software a sub model.  I don't think that's gonna happen But you know, that's life But back onto the tech topics because let's go back to This question it came up Now there's a couple different components. I want to talk about with this I will laugh at this one. What's next car ac is the subscription, you know You wouldn't buy it in the winter but in a really hot summer day. You're like, um, I'm gonna pay that subscription I wasn't gonna pay it but it's really hot um So yeah It's often cheaper to buy in bulk and standalone and turn on based on script reader and have loads of different models increased labor and cost matching not really If you're putting it in there, you may as well turn it on and make all the consumers happy that they have all the features on this fully featured car so Ooh gas pedal as a service I like it. All right back to this here. I did leave a link in the description, but hey, why not while I'm sitting here? I'll send another link um So we'll go ahead and copy And paste it in there people ask about these a lot. I'm I'm You know, they're pretty nice. They they work pretty good. I think for a home lab. They're great We picked up a couple um for some use cases. These are the ones though that have the uh intel Two and a half gig land one of the things that I want to bring up about this though and One of the the things that is important to think about when you're wondering Hey, how does this work with pf sense or how does this work with open sense? The only reason this works with pf sense or with open sense is not because intel wrote bsd drivers One of the things I want to bring up and this is where Uh in people ask why is netgate doing some of the things they're doing netgate wrote the drivers for bsd netgate then put the drivers within the bsd kernel They took the time to write them because this is the same chipset used on the two and a half gig netgate boxes And people go put the netgate boxes more expensive Well, that's because some of the money from the sales of netgate boxes And the support of pf sense go into paying someone to write a driver that netgate did not keep for themselves But could have they could just side load the driver only on their devices and then you would be Unable to run open sense or pf sense on this particular device, but they do choose to open it I bring it up like that because people have been critical frequently and sometimes, you know, I Did just get upset the fact that uh netgate boxes are just too expensive and are charging too much But it's a method of funding the development They do if you look at the people who work at netgate and the contributions they make back to the kernel Such as this driver and many other Functional updates to keep moving free bsd free bsd not netgate free bsd as a whole Forward that benefits anyone who wants to use two and a half gig. There's something to consider On that. I just want people to take that into account Um, that's one of the reasons, you know, and we like netgate from a professional services standpoint So we get a consistently good box, but uh, these are good boxes too. We grabbed a couple of these We use them in our lab and uh, my staff I have one at home right now and my staff has well I don't have this one. I have a slightly varied model, but my staff has one at home too. Uh, they work good Yeah, it's one of those things. Um That people have a hard time with is they just didn't know netgate did this I was actually really happy to see serve the home wrote an article about these boxes And they actually think netgate in there thanks netgate for writing the drivers because intel My understanding is intel said PSD drivers. Eh, we don't care. We're not writing them anymore linux is what we care about So without anyone to write it someone has to write drivers. Did you know writing drivers isn't easy? It's not it's not for the I your first project as a programmer isn't writing drivers for the curl so Um, it's it you need really talented people to do it. So yes Uh, thanks for bringing up the point about netgate at the end of the day People want updates to the us. Uh, yes, and this is going on. So linux has a larger base of people that work at large companies BSD is heavily supported by a narrower number of companies Um, ix systems the people behind shunas they contribute greatly to bsd netgate contributes greatly to bsd Netflix contributes to bsd But not as much that maybe affects you the end user that they do make contributions to it Those are your big contributors. There's a lot of others and someone's going to eventually be hammering out the comments But apple I don't know how much apple really spends contributing back Directly like in terms of programming. But yes, they there's some give back there too so Uh, is there something similar that's in a rack mount configuration. I'm sure super micro has some 1u rack mount ones But cotom does not do that. I'm aware of rack mount so Netgate support has been amazing. We run more and more of the device has been purchasing their support. They actually have support Uh, and it comes back to you a minute. Yeah, they're support solid. So that's really the you know, big thing free bsd is Is uh, I think you probably mean always on life support. It's been a life support forever the the big projects pulling it forward netflix uses it ix systems and uh, You know pf sense and netgate specifically pushes a lot towards it It's huge in the high performance router space But you're right. It in some ways it is a little bit on life support now Even life support because we're still, you know, I seen people talking about using windows 7 The long tail by which we will that is legacy means we will use things for a very long time. So that's uh It it's going to be a while of usage. So it's a number of years. It isn't going any way anytime soon, so yeah, but there's um The like I said these boxes there I've had a handful of them. We've been using Protect tele cotom call them whatever you want these uh made in china Uh rebranded by different companies all the time but seem to be very similar to each other Uh, someone told me there's a one company that makes them and they get branded by three others Someone sent me a long time ago and explainer on it. I I don't have it anymore Um, it's confusing because the manufacturers all just start they look so similar I remember one time we bought like three different brands and they were identical. They were from the same Place but they did have different numbers on them, you know quote tom There was another name they go by too protect tele's the one that's like a us importer And are protect lee. I'm probably saying it wrong I haven't seen any that are 10 gig nothing not on that form factor at all I'm not seeing they don't exist super micro makes some but The amazon link isn't working try the one in the description So but I haven't seen anything that's uh like that. That's 10 gig Now super micro probably has some rack mount servers that are like that um Somewhere see blade gpu twin rack about one u-dual processor One of these somewhere These are all some of the higher end. I'm sure you can find something in there hit new egg or whatever I'm positive. There's somewhere out there. Someone's got a 10 gig one the track mount If not by the netgate one, that's my usual recommendation Do you know if uh the mount you got for 6100 will support the 5100 it will not um Do you need travis? Do you need a rack mount for a 5100? I happen to have one so Uh go ahead and message my office. We happen to have an extra one because we just pull out our rack mount for our 5100 um, let me pull up the uh this real quick so Uh It's setting in the back of my office right now. We just pulled this out So this is not the official rack mount for a 5100, but I do happen to have a rack mount for a 5100 I don't think we're doing much with it. So um, yes reach out to my office travis um So yes, that's a 5100 rack mount the 5100 has a new home, but the rack doesn't because we took it out of our rack Oh, let's see Protect lee. Okay. People are seeing it cool Yeah, I thought you might like to hear that. I'm glad you asked travis is a good thing, you know And I happened we just happened to swap it so So Any with scp ports are normally is that she transmits nicely on the 6100 has 10 gig um Did a review of it already but the 6100 It should spell things better there we go You spell things right it gets way easier Too many tabs too, but uh, this does have 10 gig. So if you need a 10 gig one with sfps I've did a review on the 6100 easy enough to find on my channel type in 6100 so that is uh 10 gig with sfp If you have a 10 gig fiber feed from your upstream or use a DAC cable away you go Super micro, uh, I have a board with pentium d built onto the board. Uh Nope, I haven't tried that one So we pretty much for all of our business clients. We use netgate. That's that's pretty much our go to 99.99 to the time and we have some clients that have other things that they put in Um, but our if we're installing it, you know, that's why what I'm sharing these photos all the time of projects Let me find one real quick And these are different ones in case you're wondering We have sold an absolute ton of these All this photo will work so that Do you notice how this has some 10 gig cards in it? Like this needed two more 10 gig cards for this particular project So I got to do our pre-deployment project video. That's not my to-do list But yeah, we sell a lot of these different netgate boxes. So this uh, yeah, the studio is getting better But it's still a bit in disarray until the new lab is built Yes netgate 1537. I think I've reviewed that one as well um, and they run 10g so the problem with 10g is Single stream speed is not 10g multiple stream speed. No problem singular stream doesn't quite make 10 gig Uh, you can have 10 gig. It's in it's in how the streams work So cumulatively a group of computers can definitely pass 10 gig through a pf sense Individually not just a computer but individual streams may not end up being 10 gig So it's a cumulative 10 gig support and I explain that and break it down and show how that works in the video I have on the netgate 1537 um, so yes Those are important aspects to think about when you're setting these up Because uh, there's a constant level of confusion around that Um, what else was I going to talk about? Oh this I will be doing um I got some more gear for doing some more onsite videos. So uh, I will be doing some videos on this I need to get back to some unify stuff. I just kind of took a break from her for a little while um And I know cody uh, mac telecom networks and I think willy as well I both jumped on a lot of unify videos and chris from toss talk. I'm like, okay I gotta go back and do a few of them. Um, so yeah, that's a I will be doing um, we have a site to site that'll probably go onsite to record Um, I have a big project that my team is doing out in minnesota So I'm going to go out there. Um towards the end of the project They're going to be out there for like a week and a half or so Uh doing it. So yeah So lots to do there Uh, super micro e 302 d has two 10 gigahertz of people are similar to the proctelia. Awesome Oh, yeah Uh, we only have 43 likes at 155 concurrent viewers. So smash that like button. That would be wonderful Stock is an issue here in the states. Uh, bit me every time I wanted to buy one for a customer. Yeah Yeah, that's everything's out of stock. That's still somewhat of a problem Let's meet for beers when in minnesota. I'm all for that. Um, I'm gonna be I think it's some Like cloque it's somewhere. I don't know where I think it's in cloque And I I did I had to google that where that place is. I don't have any idea. I've never been to minnesota in my life so From your experience of vpns, uh, each one has faster fail over when say changing from wi-fi to 4g zero takes Uh, some hot four minutes I think it depends. I don't I don't think it I don't know that it takes that long on a computer. Maybe it takes longer on a phone You're quite happy.  I think that's how you is that how you spell it So c l o q e t. So at some point I will be um In cloque. Hey, it's cody Mac telecom networks Up north Whitewater ship up there Cool. I I don't know what's up there other than a project. Like I don't I don't know that area very well so Yeah, I know it's north of diluth diluth area north of diluth I mean, that's what google told me Yes, tail scale is coming to pf sense exciting times. I'll do a video on it I may take the time to play with head scale because I think a lot of people go Hey, I don't necessarily want to pay the paid version But I want to see how good it works with head scale because head scale and plus the tail scale plug it on pf Sense plus tying your networks together. I think it's going to be an awesome solution. I I'm excited by looking at that so Pretty pretty cool. I don't know when it'll be done. I know it's you know, I didn't try maybe if I upgrade to the beta I wonder if it shows up in the beta Um, well the nightlies if you go on there, I'll double check that I'm not that part I'm not sure about but I'd like to play with that ahead of time and I don't mind running nightlies myself I have a few lab pf sensors we can play with It's the place where the person who wants to give us money has something. Yes That's any of the places we go The places where people have us money. We will go there. He's uh, you gotta pay a lot to get us on a team out there Um, I haven't even decided really I mean I my goals to go out there But I have a lot to do because I have a lot of events and places I have to be as well So, uh, it's not as easy as just going there. So it's um, it's a trip and it's not a close trip It's uh 10 hours roughly from my office um I think that's how far away it is so I see C. L. O. Q How far of a drive is it? We'll pull it up on a map once this goes so Detroit sure why not here? Actually, I gotta switch to the other user because it doesn't have There we go Uh Yes, looks like it's a 12 hour drive. So It'll take me about 12 hours to get there Going from my office in south gate michigan to there So yes, it's quite a hike and in between Um, my dad lives in this area. So that's where my dad is for those of you that didn't know he lives up north Whoops, that's cool. You can drag that around So I'll probably stop by say hi to my dad when I go there And you see where my kids are You see all you see all the stuff. I like the real-time location sharing in google. It's pretty cool Let's see What else do you have in here? Good morning from the land down under chili sauce has been shipped awesome More chili sauce that I have not had all the way from australia. That is just too cool Yeah 12 hours sounds like a night train drive. Yeah Yeah It'll be tom driving his truck I just want to go through the porcupine mountains because I actually have never been to the Northern michigan where the I believe they're called the porcupine mountains are and I have to look that up So those are Po rcu We'll pull those up over here We'll just pull up. Well, I'll let you guys do the google image search and I'll do a maps Go show you where they're at The porcupine mountains So that is going to be part of the trip so I could just go through there So that's the porcupine mountains areas or this area here. I have not been in this area. So When I drive through to the destination, I will uh You know just I haven't had a reason to go to the ottawa national forest now. I have a reason to drive through there Yeah, it's a long drive though. I'll I'll I'll listen to a few books All right, we're getting towards the end of the show. What are some rapid fire questions you have? I just released a video today on pf sense and traffic totals. So for those you don't want to see that um I talked about the investing stuff I talked about um upcoming videos I like the idea for people that I mentioned it of doing a video on ip addressing Because it just seems to be something that has just a lot of questions around it So hey, why not why not do a video on it? Um What else do we have I didn't have anything else on my notes for topics? So Nonetheless, what else what else nothing else? Uh I like at the end here. I'll do something random. Maybe we'll Before you wind it down Oops, that's not what I wanted to do Somewhere Oh, I should leave a link to this That's uh, if you're wondering what my son's been doing He's been playing with a bubble maker. So that's the thing and the bubbles are gone I should leave an amazon link to that too, right? That thing's fun H8 proxy on pf are separated. I like it on pf sense. It's nice. Uh, it's a really smooth integration. Um If you if you want to run everything separate you can but it really comes down to use case For us for any honor works out the best Because that way it's a central point where everything is so I I like that quite a bit Teach them subnetting how to split a slash 24 and a smaller Important to learn from networking beginners. Yeah um In or people who just put things on a slash 22 Kids love the bubble maker. There is no doubt. There is no doubt about that It is absolutely fun to play with so that's uh Let's see. What else was there? I've been motorcycle riding. Oh, someone will like the My backyard's almost done So I took a picture of it and uh, yes in case you're wondering I am drinking my I think it was you guys who recommended. Uh, we beastie. Well, so some of you and I liked it a lot This is um, a great single malt scotch, but yes, I am drinking. I have a jacked angles I thought about doing the stuff from the backyard. I gotta give my audio set up right so I can actually do These live streams in the backyard Slash 8's where it's at Uh, do you manage client mobile devices a lot? No, we actually rarely do we have even a request for mobile device management anymore? Um, we're just not seeing the demand for it really 32 we still want a bottom bubble maker absolutely How do you get terabytes of data? To a server in a dmz a nick on true nas for each network seems not safe No a nick on true nas for each network is the ideal situation where you want to do it You build out separated networks because you don't route your storage Um, that's what works Route summarizing for how to go over vpn makes a routing table look nicer. Yes It's like drinking a bonfire. We will go with that and I love the taste of drinking a bonfire So I I think it's great I think that's one of the recommendations that came from the live stream like that particular, uh one so That's definitely um On a two-list, uh Other than that, I just been riding to motorcycles. I don't really have anything else to report. You know summertime for me is definitely um Doing a bunch of motorcycle rides and stuff like that riding with friends and things like that That's a lot of my summer. I don't do as many projects winter I double down on my tech projects because I pretty much Live doing the tech projects Uh, did you talk about the ring doorbell news already? No I don't even pay attention to ring doorbell I'm not doing an ipv6 tutorial because I don't use it and I don't have a need to use it So no time soon while I be doing an ipv6 tutorial So it's low low low on my list like one day It'll be the day of ipv6. Of course. I've been told that day has come and gone many times. Um, but I yeah but yeah New ipv6 at lts. We're avoiding it.  So yes make youtube vids for um Oh for motorcycle Started tech talk live stream with drinks and pizza uh in about ring around a biofire. Sure Have you deployed any tnsr systems? I have a project. I think might be a good fit looking for feedback I know it works well, but we never used it. We just haven't had a use case for it But it's a good product. I I trust the product. So Bell's over on is a good summer beer I'll definitely agree with that I uh Bell Bells bells too harded. They're all They're all good So, uh, what else was I looking for to to to to Something else someone asked me about and I already forgot what it is But keep the questions coming because I'll find it Uh, there we go So we'll do this and this and this Red straight beer. Isn't that a Jamaican beer? I think I've had it. I I don't remember particularly being great Uh, but this is the other thing I do is I got a bunch of footage of me riding motorcycles So this is my other like I said summer project when people ask what I'm doing Can't avoid to hear ISP using that ipv4 Uh, no more direct crowds unless you type piece. Yeah, and that's common that's why we're talking about tail scale and tail scale is Kind of the solution for that so, um You know, it's going to be where we're going to end up, uh Seeing the options for getting the routing to work is just use use tail scale Best product to secure work resources on bo2 laptops. My huntress seems not to be the best fit We use huntress plus Sentinel one. That's that's our solution huntress post Sentinel one is uh The easy one for for me to do That's uh works really well for us. We think it's solid and we get good telemetry off of it. Um The uh security the rollback feature I have a whole demo on Sentinel one and I've got a demo on huntress So both of those are things that I absolutely I can do You can't avoid ipv6 forever The the internet disagrees with you Oh the internet man They uh We keep coming up with fixes. So Is a good cpu is the internet epic important for true answers more memory more memory Definitely spend more memory on memory than processor processors important But memory first because the more you can pull out of memory the faster you can get the data back to you Hamachi was great long before lug me in bought them out tail scale is a fantastic alternative. Yeah, um Zero tier was the first one I ran into then nebula then tail scale But they all are overlay networks and hamachi essentially inspired all of them. So yes How do you secure into our block dns for devices where you can't install sentinel one or certificates? Uh, we load sentinel one, uh, if you can't install sentinel one, it's probably not our problem to secure it So I'm not exactly sure Um that question we either manage the end points or we don't the other option is things like you could use Untangle and do filtering there. I just did a video on filtering. So watch my video on Uh filtering I am from uh Cameroon and love your work and presentation. Thank you very much much appreciated Yeah, hamachi the old land gaming client. It really was it was solid for that. I I think hamachi was great um You know just it's absolutely great, uh Tool for doing that back in the early days It matter of fact, I'm surprised it took so long from the death of hamachi to the birth of more modern overlay networks. So Nope, there is no zero tier pf sense right now Sophos or pf sense for a doctor's office. I would go pf sense. That's me But I don't use Sophos. I don't really have a use case for it. I don't think it's bad or anything I think they seem to have a nice product. I just don't use it and I don't plan on learning it. So um, if you know it already Go for it. If you love if you're trying to decide which one to probably find better documentation on pf sense I have a whole lot of videos on it. So um, you know, that's what it comes down to is which one has the better documentation and Uh, which one's more accessible for you and of course pf sense doesn't have the license fees that Sophos does So, you know, definitely some options on there Which ever, you know, ultimately whichever one I don't think Sophos is a bad product They've had some pretty big security flaws lately. Uh, but they were good at fixing them. They got them fixed relatively quick So with uh, them getting them fixed relatively quick Uh, pf sense hippocompliant, I don't see why not I don't know of any problems with the hip on there Yeah, I seen cross talk made a video on that. Um, I Don't know like it. I watched part of it. I didn't watch all of it. It sounds busy. Um, but It's not surprising that chris doesn't like them. He chris has the same opinion as I do want it Me and chris agree. He likes pf sense. I like pf sense We don't think unify is great for advanced use cases We think that unify is good for home users with a pretty basic setup. So Pretty simple answer. Um Yeah Looking at google ipv6 adoption graph 50% will be ipv6 in years. I've heard this many times Uh, which and how to start to ask true nas or free nas series from beginning from youtube channel. Um, if you go to Lawrence dot technology and i'm gonna all send the link I have my tutorials. I need to update this some more But I haven't done anyone so don't worry. It's still accurate. I dropped the link in there Um, I have a two I have a playlist on true nas. It's for true nas 12 and true nas 13 is out. So yeah Unify should just stick to wireless. We'll go with that. Um, I wouldn't disagree It's you know, unify, uh, does great switches and does great wireless But there's I don't know why they have a hard time with their routing They just don't make decisions that make any sense to me and I don't understand at all Uh, so for support it's gone way downhill. So the open sense pf sense seems more ideal Yeah, I don't know because I don't use sofas. I can't speak to their support Chris is a unified fan boy. I thought it was funny. Yeah, I I don't know. He's a fan boy He's like me. He understands where it works and we're not to use it. So What about open sense versus pf sense of us telling me to start looking more into open sense I'm fine with pf sense. Uh, pf sense is solid. It's got excellent support, but use what makes you happy I don't use open sense and don't plan to I've done a video talking about them Uh, whichever one makes you happy, ultimately, I don't think that open sense is necessarily bad You see a pf sense of vlands and mac addresses, uh, what kind of layer switch you need to work with them You need a switch that's vlan aware That's all there's not any if you have a switch that can manage vlands You can build vlands on pf sense and it'll work pf sense with unify is a great combination because pf sense and Uh, unify switches support vlands. I've got videos on how to set them up. So I think I uh, I did a video this year. Let me pull it up and I'll drop a link to it But I did uh pf sense unify As a matter of fact, it's quite simply titled this Drop it over here This igb too. How to set up vlands with pf sense and unify in 2022 So, yeah, they they make an excellent combo of things to work with I recommend I recommend the two of them Why are you guys chasing each other on the tree? Uh, we were being competitive of uh, who could you know Turn really tight. So the guy was on a really small bike and we were on the big bikes me and my friend And it was to see if we could uh do certain things It's kind of you play a game of can you follow each other and then you start doing more and more complicated tricks So That's essentially um, the shenanigans that was going on there That's always fun. But of course the uh You know, there's always someone better. I probably have a video somewhere I can find Yes, there's always someone better than you that you can't follow them Like you follow them around and then they do this and then you're not following them no more So That's that's what that's my hobby. So for anyone wondering that's why I had these pulled up Uh for home recommendation of motion sensors, uh, some kind of mail alert I really recommend the Synology the Synology just works and works really well So I'm all in on Synology for their alerting. They have push notifications that you can send to your phone Um, they can do email alerts as well. So you can do email alerts. You can do Uh, like a app notification. You can do advanced motion detection. I have videos on Synology and advanced motion detection So those are Let me find the Synology video. So I'll drop a link to that, but it it works really well ogy So we drop a share copy Sometimes and let's talk about Synology surveying the station and But the video title and I'll share it in here too Uh proxmox versus zen orchestra, which is preferred for enterprise ISP service support Zen orchestra. So we'll go with that Uh, was that bike getting on uh for the street and dirt? Yes Yes, uh Definitely Is there a road manner for zero tier uh in the pf sense? No tail scale is coming for pf sense zero tier that i'm That i'm aware of isn't maybe sometime soon So uh tail scale will be at some point. I don't know when but in the near future in pf sense Yep, uh pico's router proxmox container I'm missing some context I want to access by this from anywhere but can't do so because I except for alternative solution Yeah overlay networks like using zero tier or tail scale are really the only option for that so that's uh All I have for that so Sorry, I'm in c a uh and there's not a lot of bikes Not a lot of bikes that can do off-road and be legal in the streets. I mean C a isn't california um That I mean california has a lot of bikes so I don't I don't know. I guess any more context for the question That's the bike I have is that one right there So you can see I mean I can ride it's street legal, but it's got tires on it to make it easy to ride in a dirt so Uh, do you recommend enabling responding coming queries from local clients while using d o t I don't know the I need more context for that question I try getting sounds you back up to your boat, uh using tail scale wouldn't work Hmm. I haven't tested that at all. I haven't tested tail scale on sonology Any plans updating your vid for unify wireless planning and tuning because your unify controller has changed since your video Yeah, I do need to do a new version of that is definitely um on there And yes, that's a uh super tenor a 1200 so someone was able to recognize the bike so Three more minutes. I'll give this and then I'm going to wind it all down so uh Yeah, because I got motorcycles to go play with and um a trip to plan with a friend on motorcycles, you know This is summer summer is my outdoor time. Um, because you know winners in michigan, but it's nice I mean I spend a lot more time. I built this entire studio last winter along with a lab and everything else And we're building another lab at the office. So yes I don't know why you keep asking this question Which is preferred. I mean I've said the answer is an orchestra So you No, I don't know first. I'm it's it's winding down. So I don't have to ban the person for asking the same question Oh You have an opinion v4 street fighter is better. I don't know It's not a bad bike. The street fighters are pretty cool That's not a bad-looking bike We'll uh drop this in here. I think you have a red one too, don't you? Uh, what do you think about running containers on maker tick? I wouldn't do it But maybe I maybe it's a use case. I don't understand Unify is getting rid of the map and their latest versions of the controller was so I didn't know they got rid of the map. Um Is it gone? I didn't know the map was gone Let me look I didn't think it was I have the latest controller software Let's go to the map huh Unified devices topology Still in the old version though, isn't it? Hmm, I don't know. I never used it much. I don't think a lot of other people did either. That's why I didn't know it was gone Yeah, I didn't realize it was gone. You're you're are correct and uh Because it only has topology. It's probably still in the old It's just not in here. So interesting No more a map on the controller unless it was placed in a different location, huh? Proxima's interval excellent to go with whatever you prefer. If you like containers go with proxmox Xtp doesn't do containers. Yeah, I just did a video comparing the two. Um, so I've got those details So hopefully that makes sense. Um, but that's it folks. I don't think I have anything else I mean, I could go on forever, but I do have other things to do I will definitely be posting some more videos. Uh, as always I will work on a few others join my forums for a more in-depth discussion or to ask more in-depth questions I wasn't able to do there. So um Hopefully that helps, uh Hey, awesome. I'm glad I could help everyone Um The maps are in the unify os page of the latest. Okay. I don't know Here's part of the problem. If you switch back and forth to a new and old interfaces Some things aren't in the new interface. That's why they keep leaving the legacy one in Uh, matter of fact, one of the things you can't do is migrate from the new If you're in the new interface and you want to move an ap to another site within the controller That's missing. But if you go to legacy interface, it's still there. Now. Does it mean that feature's going away? I doubt it. It's a really convenient feature that feature we do use But I just have to switch to the old interface to do it I don't know. That's just the way they did it. I just think it's I don't think it's going away My guess is they just haven't gotten around to bringing it to the new interface because they've been working on this new interface What for two years? It's it's like the slowest change to the new interface ever We're getting to watch them develop it piece by piece bit by bit Bringing things over. Uh, it's silly, especially when they Uh bring something to the new interface and they take it out of the old interface Now you're flip flopping between interfaces I don't flip flop as much the only time I flip back to the older interfaces If I have to take an ap and move it to a different site because we load everything in our test site and then migrate it somewhere else That has to be done in the old interface because they decided it doesn't they just decided It's a lower priority as to when it makes it to the new interface and hopefully they don't delete it So I'm gonna stop ranting about unify Um, I like their products enough, but any product has flaws So we are stating these things in hopes that they will make it better. All right Thanks, everyone. See you next time