Welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us this evening for another edition of Virtual Playhouse. My name is Dan. I'm the Director of Development Programming. And before we start, I want to just a couple of quick things. For those of you who are still sort of new to Zoom, we want to remind you of how you can ask questions during this evening's Q&A. There is a button at the bottom of your screen if you are on a laptop or PC. And I believe if you're on an iPad or phone, it's at the top and there's a little Q&A button and you can post your questions by clicking there. Please do not use the chat feature as it tends to get a little bit confusing with multiple conversations going on at once, but we will try to get to everybody's questions over the course of the evening. Please, if you have the wherewithal, visit our website, which is www.bedforplayhouse.org. There's a lot of great programs we have coming up. This is the first one really this month. We have several more over the next couple of weeks. And we also have Playhouse Game Night scheduled for February 25th. Which more information for that is on our website. That's going to be a lot of fun. It's a virtual fundraiser for the Playhouse. And we're really looking forward to that. So without any further delay, I'd like to introduce Playhouse founder and tonight's moderator, John Farr, who's going to take the show on from here. Here I am. There you are. I did it right. I hit the right button. Hello, everybody. Welcome. I am so excited. I've been looking forward to tonight for a long time because I just love this film. And I'm also extremely admiring of its director, Mary Wharton, who is our guest tonight. And before I go any further, I just want to get her on board. Mary, why don't you come on board now? Because I want to say something to you directly before we start in. There's Mary Wharton, the director. I just wanted to tell you that obviously we've all been through a rather turbulent year. And when I happened upon your film and watched your film, I thought it was such a tonic with everything that's going on in the world right now to see this film. It really meant a lot to me. And as I said to you earlier, there are not a lot of movies out there that are not only of the same quality, but that give you that sort of sense of hope and frankly joy that this movie really did. So thank you for that. I mean, I want to lead by just saying thank you for doing it because it was again, it's an old fashioned term, but the word tonic, it was a tonic for my spirits when I saw it. And I was just so delighted that we were able to make this happen because it's a film that deserves to be seen and to be appreciated widely. Well, thank you so much. It's really wonderful to hear that. And I'm so grateful to be here and to introduce the film to more people, a bigger audience. You know, it's been a tough time for everyone. And that's one of the things that kind of helped me in a lot of ways to get through this dark time was knowing that my work was bringing joy to people, that it was helping people to feel better and reminding people about what is great about America. And, you know, at a time when America had sort of become a bit of a lap and stalk, you know, across the world and a bit of a, you know, it just it was not a good time for anyone all across the world. Everyone was suffering. But, you know, one of the greatest things that America has ever produced is rock and roll and to tell a story about rock and roll and to sort of do it in this unexpected way of tying it to Jimmy Carter, who is about the last thing you probably think of when you think about rock and roll was just such a fun and wonderful experience. So I'm so happy that it touched people. Well, it's great, Mary. Tell us, I always like to lead by asking about how did the, what was the genesis of the project? How did it all come about? Sure. Well, so the producer of the film, Chris Ferrell, is an old friend of mine and he had never made a documentary before, but was very passionate about the idea of doing something. And he and I had started talking about we were throwing ideas around and we hadn't hit on what the thing was going to be that we would do together. And he was also at the same time, he was looking into the idea of doing a documentary about the Almond Brothers. And in the course of doing that, he was meeting with some gentlemen down in Atlanta, Georgia, who were connected to President Carter's administration. Some of the, some of the guys that wound up being in our film, Peter Conlon and Tom Beard and Frank Moore were part of this group of folks down in Atlanta. And I think that Chris had gone to them in the sort of, with the idea that they might help him get President Carter for a film about the Almond Brothers. But then they started telling him all these stories that it wasn't just that Carter was connected to the Almond Brothers, but that he was also connected to Bob Dylan and to Willie Nelson. And, and Chris had never heard of that connection. And he immediately recognized that this was an interesting story. And he called me right away and he's like, I think I found the thing that we should do. But he wouldn't tell me about it on the phone because he was in Atlanta. And he was like, he's super a little paranoid. He was like, I can't talk about it. He's an M and I M and a guy like emerges and acquisitions business guy. And those guys are are all about keeping secrets. And so he was like, I'm on a cell phone. I have to wait until I'm back in New York. And I'll tell you about it. We'll have lunch. And I'll tell you about it. And it was this secret that he was sitting on. And the whole time, as soon as he told me of this, this story, which I didn't know about. And I was shocked that I didn't know this aspect of President Carter's story either. And we both were really like immediately, let's do it. And the whole time we were making the film, we kept it such a tight secret because we were so worried that someone else would take it and and run with it.  And then somebody like CNN or ABC News would be able to make something quicker than we could because we were we had we were an independent production. We had to go out and find the money to make this movie.  It's high risk and low upside. It's like the complete opposite of like tech stocks, you know, if you think about investments and they're the the ROI on investments, the documentary film is is like, it's low, it's very low on your returns. But once you once you were able to get the president, former president on board, wouldn't you feel a little more alas, because he's committing to you to do it? Yes. And when exactly did you get him on board? How early and how did that go?  Or was that? No, it was not an easy process, but it did happen early. We actually didn't even really seriously try to raise the money until we had him on board. And but we Chris and I put together a proposal and we sent it to the president through these gentlemen that he had met in Atlanta. And I heard, I don't know for sure, but I heard that at least 14 different people vetted our proposal before it even got to President Carter. And but Carter was really into it from the beginning. And we were kind of summoned down to Atlanta to go meet with a gentleman named Phil Wise, who was running the Carter Center. And we were told that his nickname is Dr. Now, because he gets like a documentary proposal at least once a week. And he says no to all of them. So we went in to meet Dr. Now. And we were like, hi, we're Mary Morton and Chris Farrell. You don't know us. Nobody knows us. We're not famous. We're not household names, you know, but we're really passionate about this. And somehow we won him over. You know, I think that Chris and I are both from the South and we're both from North Florida, which is, you know, not that far away from Plains, Georgia. And we kind of understood the story in a different way from that perspective, because I think that one of the things about President Carter is he was constantly underestimated. And constantly, you know, I think he really, you know, as Nile Rogers says in the film, he really did get the shortest end of the stick of any president who's unappreciated, underappreciated for what he was able to accomplish. And his Southern accent, you know, at the time that he was president, you know, you think about like, what was on television at that time was there was a show called He-Ha that basically made fun of people with Southern accents.  And President Carter was a nuclear physics engineer who worked to develop the first nuclear submarine in the Navy when, you know, he was a naval officer and, you know, really, really smart man who has, you know, since written number, you know, probably 20 books or something like that. And, you know, I think that people don't, people forget just how sort of, just what an intelligent and sort of wide ranging knowledge he had.  He's a remarkable man. Well, he's had a, he's had a real renaissance too, since he left Albus with everything that he's done. But I always thought it was analogous to Harry Truman, who was also another Democratic president who was kind of considered, was ridiculed.   Everyone's sort of laughing. But the peanut farmer got elected. And, you know, you knew I was, I was, it was my first vote, actually, for presidential vote. I was just 18. And he, you know, he was a bright, he was bright. And you knew he was bright. But he's had a real renaissance because of the Carter Center. And I think that there's a reappraisal going on. But, and part of what you did is add to that reappraisal. Because I think that there are a lot of people who have no idea that he had this. I was, I bet you there are so many people, and those of you in the audience, you know, speak up and feel free to start giving us, you know, questions that I can pass on. But I didn't remember that Carter had this connection with all these musicians. Nor did I really know, or remember that he had this deep love for rock music, you know, folk music, American music. Yeah, I didn't know it. How did I not know this? You know, I refer to it a lot as sort of this thing that was hiding in plain sight. Because when I started to look into it, there were lots of newspaper articles that came out at the time, you know, when he would have like, you know, concerts on the White House lawn. It was, it was certainly covered by all of the networks and by the newspapers. And it was there.   He doesn't need to worry about that anymore. Sorry. Couldn't get too political. But, you know, but it's also, I think there's another thing, which is that, you know, you would, you might see, oh, here's Willie Nelson doing a fundraiser for Jimmy Carter and you, and your takeaway as well, you know, he supports Carter and Carter's thrilled and makes money, but you're not making the connection that what comes through in your film is just how deep a love Carter has for the music and for the musicians.  There's a real love there. And that's what, that's what people don't recognize. Oh, well, Willie Nelson did a fundraiser for Carter back in the day that what we didn't expect that, we didn't necessarily know that, that Carter was such a fan, you know, and it's super, it's, it's completely genuine. And that's the, that was the interesting thing that we wanted to get at, because it's not surprising. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that Carter might be a fan of Willie Nelson or of Bob Dylan, but it's interesting that Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson are fans of Jimmy Carter. That was the interesting part is like, what is it about Jimmy Carter that, you know, makes these, these famous rock stars and, and you know, country and Americana stars want to get, want to be close to Jimmy Carter and stay close to Jimmy Carter for a lifetime as they have, you know, Bob Dylan and Jimmy Carter met in 1975 and they are friends to this day, you know, and, and Bob Dylan doesn't sit down for interviews very often, you know, and rarely has he ever done an interview that wasn't about himself. So to get him to sit down, to talk about Jimmy Carter was a small miracle, you know, really. And, and it was really interesting and the thing that I, you know, kind of just from talking to all these folks and listening to what they had to say about Jimmy Carter, the thing that, that finally made it make sense to me was when I remembered there's a great line from the great country songwriter Harlan Howard, which is the only thing that you need to write a song is three chords in the truth. And, you know, songwriters are always looking for the truth because that's what they need to do their work, right? Is they find a little germ of truth and, and that's what makes a song connect with a broad audience is it's true for everyone, right? And Jimmy Carter was the embodiment of the truth. In his stump speeches when he was running for president, he used to say all the time, I will never tell a lie to the American people if I ever lie to you, don't vote for me. And that was what connected him, what voters connected with. But I think that was a big part of why these songwriters and these musicians connected with him is that he saw that they saw that he was speaking the truth. You know, he wasn't putting on airs. He wasn't just using them to raise money or to get to their fans. You know, he really truthfully believed in the power of their music. And, and he was a sort of the consummate fan where he truly listened to their music, like what, what Dylan talks about being sort of taken aback when he first met Carter, that he was able to quote his songs back to him.   He's a, I've always thought he's he's a bit of a mystic. And in the best sense of the word, like you meet him and go, whoa, this is not your average, this is not your average person. And I have to just say again, that that moment, I don't remember exactly what Dylan says. But he said something that was an incredibly powerful sort of compliment to Carter.  I mean, it's not what you age to your point, you don't see Dylan interviewed much B to have him sort of saying this man is someone I really, really revere. Yeah. Highly unusual. Maybe I've never heard it. I mean, I was like, well, it was very, it was a very powerful moment. It was, you know, Dylan was one of those interviews that we didn't, we didn't get a lot of film of him. You know, he sort of had an idea about what he wanted to say about Jimmy. And, and, you know, you sort of whatever, Dylan shows up, you're just grateful for that.  And, and, but I also thought that it was nice to have, he's such a powerful presence on screen. And he, he has this, you know, this kind of interesting charisma that is, is so enigmatic that it's like, it's, you don't want too much of it.  And so the way that he delivers these little zingers at really key moments is, is kind of amazing. It really was.  Talk about some of the ones that, that were the most memorable and, and because there were some amazing people who participated. Well, I have to say that Roseanne Cash was amazing. She was just such a surprise because, you know, she was young. She's, I think she's about the same age as you. She said she voted for Carter the first time was her first vote. And, you know, so I, I wasn't sure that she would have a lot to say about necessarily the politics, but we knew that her father was great friends with Carter and, and we were just sort of like whatever, again, it's like somebody like Roseanne Cash. She's so amazing. Whatever she wants to say is fantastic. And she was so smart and, and cool and funny. And, you know, we, we, the, the, the idea to have some of the people read Carter's poetry actually came from our writer, Bill Flanagan, who's, who's good friends with Roseanne. And he's the one that, that brought her to the film. But we kind of sprung that on people. Like they weren't necessarily expecting to, Roseanne wasn't expecting to, to read this poem. She hadn't rehearsed it or anything. It was like, Hey, would you mind, you know, we have this idea. I don't know if it'll work. And, and she delivered it so amazingly. And, and Bill chose this, this great poem that Carter wrote for his father. And as Roseanne is reading it, you can't help but picture her father. And there, there's just all these little interesting connections that like, I don't know, for me, like I like when things connect in this weird, organic, interesting way. And it's not, and it's unexpected. And it just makes all the little pleasure centers in my brain light up and go, Oh, that's so cool. You know, well, I'm going to tell her, you said that you, not everybody knows this, but I happened to know Roseanne Cash, we did actually an event together with a movie you must know called The Winding Stream. I hope you've seen the Winding Stream. Yes. Yes. We did that. And she, she and I did that together. And that was a very emotional thing for her because it was, she hadn't seen it in a long time. It was revisiting her father and, and, but she is one of a kind and a really wonderful lady. So I'm going to tell her because I didn't thank you. The first person you bring up was Roseanne. But because you've got Greg Allman, who obviously you must have gotten him right before he passed. Well, actually, the Greg Allman, he passed in 2017. And that was done before we started this film. We were lucky enough to find that piece of archival footage from the Rockmore Hall of Fame had done an exhibit about the confluence of rock and politics. And so they were kind enough to lend us that interview. But yeah, I mean, but Willie Nelson was amazing and Niall Rogers was incredible. I mean, really everyone Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood were so generous and so lovely. And there are also, you know, very busy people with, with, you know, incredibly busy schedule. So it was very difficult to get them. But, but I mean, Chuck LaVell was, was such a treasure. He's, he's been such an incredible supporter of the film. And, and he was one of the last interviews that we did where we were not really sure like, do we need to keep shooting? There were a few people that we still kind of wanted to get. And then we got Chuck LaVell. And he was kind of like, it's one of those things where you just kind of know when you know that you're done. And it was like, Oh, we're done here. You know, like he just like ticked all the boxes that still needed to be ticked. You know, your, your earlier point, it's so important. It would have been easy to have the other huge musicians that you had, you know, have too many of them or too much of them. And it really needs to be about President Carter. Right. And I think you hit exactly the right balance. There's a lot of him and, and, and as it, as there should be. And I, I, he seems to be having such a good time. Yeah. It was like, you were bringing something to him. It was bringing stuff back for him. Here's this man well into his nineties.   And it was interesting because when he first sat down for the first interview, he came in and he, he was a little bit stern in the beginning, not really stern, but just kind of like, you know, at the time that we interviewed him, which was early in 2018, he was still very, very active in work at the Carter center. And, and he was a very busy man. He was very much like scheduled out. Like we got a date, there was a date on his calendar and they're like, you need to either take this date or you won't get them again for another six months. Yeah.  And, and then he starts talking about music and his whole demeanor changed, like his body language changed. And, and like I said, his face just lit up and, and he, he really does enjoy talking about it. And, you know, we, we went to an event. We were kind of midway through the production of the film. And the Carter center was having kind of a, I think it was a 95th birthday celebration for President Carter, and they invited us to come and show a little bit of a little, we had a little like teaser reel about the film that, you know, because it was still unfinished at that point. And we showed it to the, to the group. And he was, it, you could just tell he was tickled pink. And, and we, I remember we, we were introduced to his grandson, Jason Carter, who's very involved in the Carter center. Now he's a former Georgia Senator. And we were talking to him and he was like, you guys have no idea how happy this movie is making my grandfather. And he said, there are a few things that that he's really proud of. And the number one on that list is the fact that the Navy named a submarine after him.  He's, he's like, but right now, number two on that list is Jimmy Carter rock and roll president. And you knocked me over with a feather because I was like, and where does the Nobel Peace Prize fall on that list? I was just like, this doesn't make any sense to me, but wow. Yeah. But again, we go back to this whole thing of the reappraisal of Jimmy Carter, which is happening, good God, 40 years after he left the presidency. Yeah. And it's been happening for, I mean, he's done such amazing work with the Carter center. Many people have said, you know, he's done more as a former president than almost anybody else in terms of good works.  I mean, it or it's, it adds to it a lot because who knew? Again, sort of thing that you hit it on some magic because I've always been a fan of Jimmy Carter. I'm also a fan of all the music, but I never knew I never made the connection that it was something that was that he was so passionate about. Yeah. And in a way that he couldn't fake it. And to your point, it's how the musicians feel about him. It's not just how he feels about the musicians. For sure. For sure. It's really, I mean, it takes me back to, you know, to hear you say that this this had this movie that we did has some, you know, bear some some relevance in in the sort of, you know, legacy of Jimmy Carter. But I'm just so happy that he we were able to get it done in time for him to see the reaction and to hear, you know, what people are saying about it because he is is really, really digging it actually. And that's amazing. And he's 96 or 95.  And he's still doing, you know, habitat for humanity and yes, you know, they did a fundraiser for his birthday just this past October and they built. So, you know, they would do every week the Carter family would participate in a build of houses for people and they would alternate. One year they would do something overseas and the next year they would do something in the United States. And this past year because of the pandemic, they did it in Plains, Georgia so that it would be easy for President Carter to get to but like, you know, he's 96 years old and he was still helping build houses for homeless people. It's it's a remarkable thing. And I assume you also met Rosalind, right? Did you meet Rosalind? I did. We were very disappointed that she wasn't able to give us an interview for the film because I wanted her to be, you know, more a part of it but her health was not great at the time that we were filming so she's she's doing okay. And she I did get to meet her a couple of times at the at the party that I mentioned where we met the grant his grandson Jason and then again we were lucky enough at the end of the the film production to go down to Plains, Georgia and show the the finished film to the Carter family and it was Mr. and Mrs. Carter and Amy their daughter and Chip who's in the film and their brother Jeff and the other brother Jack for some reason wasn't able to make it but it was it was so amazing because first of all it's it's a little bit nerve-wracking to to sit in a room with, you know, and screen your film for the person, you know, for Jimmy Carter, let alone a president, you know, and and I typically like to kind of sit off to the side where I can kind of watch the person and and see how they're reacting but but not make them feel like I'm watching them the whole time and right when everyone sat down and we're getting ready to play the film President Carter says Mary come sit next to me in case I have any questions and I was like uh-oh because President Carter is famous for being a stickler for things being correct like I told that he used to correct the grammar on, you know, memos White House memos before they went out, you know, he's the president the leader of the free world and he'd be like there you missed a comma there, you know, and so we were, you know, we we we definitely did our fact-checking we we tried to be sure that we got everything right but you kind of, you know, we're human and yeah I was worried that maybe we got something wrong or whatever and so I go and I sit down next to him and Mrs. Carter was right on the other side of him and all throughout the film I mean it was amazing because he was he was laughing at all the the funny parts he was, you know, crying along with me when when we got to the emotional parts he's a man who really does wear his heart on his sleeve he cried like three times in the movie and and but then also he was just like he would offer these little asides to me like when there's there's a moment in the film when when we showed a clip from the inaugural concert and John Wayne walks out on the stage and Carter turned to me and he was like you know I was the last person to visit John Wayne before he died I had no idea you know but like he just you know he was so into it and and would kept you know offering these little remarks about you know the jazz concert and about Dizzy Gillespie and it was just so wonderful to have that experience if you had told me that you know I would ever meet a president I would have thought you were crazy and and beyond that to be able to sit next to President Carter while he watched the film that I made about him was definitely one of the biggest honors of my life and and such a joy I can't even I can't even now we have to ask what did he at the end when the lights were coming up I mean what did he say to you you know he was so overcome with the motion that he couldn't speak oh my god started to to say something and he just started crying and and I said to him you know I've watched this movie a hundred times and I always cry at the end yeah you know and and I remember I was asking you know my producer Chris was standing there next to me and later I said to him were you able to because he was trying to speak but he was so overcome that it was like I couldn't I couldn't make out what he was saying and I asked Chris like did you get any of that and he was like no but you know what I think the message was was he could he he could tell that we saw him it was that feeling of being seen and being understood and that is ultimately all I'm trying to do I'm trying to you know when I make a film about someone I always fall in love with them a little bit because and it's this weird kind of love affair because they don't fall in love with me you know because they don't really know me that well you know in the beginning it's oftentimes it's like hi nice to meet you now let me show the camera in your face and let's talk you know bear your soul to me you know it's it's a weird relationship that you and sometimes you get to develop a little bit of a of a relationship with people but with famous people you don't always get that much time with them so you're I'm always more concerned with what am I getting on film than trying to become their pal because you know that that as much as I would like to be pals with these people it's more important that I get them to show me on film who they are and and and I think that there there is a little bit of with with this film in particular there's a lot of love for President Carter in this film and and I think that he felt that and I think that he I think that he was he was recognizing that he had been seen in a way that he had never been seen before you know that is true I think that is true that is true and I think he probably liked that but it's also going back to your point earlier about the truth about capturing the truth because if there'd been anything that wasn't true or or that right oh he would have let us know and the fact is you captured it and you captured the truth and you captured it in such a way that it moved him deeply and is there a part of him that might be saying I'm glad that this document this visual document is out there in the world because how many more years have I got it's nice that that it's out there and it's another side of me right people didn't necessarily know yeah and I want them to know I'm glad that they would know this about me and about my legacy and I certainly know I felt that way so that's why I was curious because the fact that he was so emotional yeah and that you you you'd captured it and and and for him at his state the stage of his life how meaningful is that I mean you know so it's wonderful now I want to talk about you for a minute um my favorite subject yeah there's this because uh you've done obviously you've made some films before they tend to be music films you are the daughter of a musician your father was involved in the making of this film yeah um talk talk to us about all that and the role in your life yeah I mean so growing up my dad it's been a musician his whole life and so obviously you know growing up uh our house was full of a of a vast record collection and and my dad is a real music historian in a way and I learned so much about music from him and he's also you know he's a songwriter he's a storyteller and I learned a lot about storytelling from him um but uh you know we had never really worked together before um and um my father's music he plays blues and and it's very americana uh you know traditional kind of slide guitar blues and he's super super talented um but I didn't think immediately that his music was perfect for this film um because uh one thing that we wanted to be really careful about is we didn't want to put uh too much of a of an americana you know country leaning soundtrack um and the reason that we chose the the title rock and roll president as opposed you know even though it's not just about rock and roll it's as much about jazz and it's as much about country music as it is about rock and roll but we chose rock and roll be more for like the spirit of rock and roll and and to to to give you that kind of like like a bit of a like like maybe like huh wait do rock and roll and jimmy carter does that even make sense you know just to sort of turn people's head a little bit um and um we had another uh famous uh musician assigned on who really wanted to be the the composer for the score and it didn't quite work out schedule wise she was going on a big tour and um so we had to sort of figures we were like we have to figure something else out but I had asked my dad to send me some of his pre-existing music whatever he had that didn't have vocals on it you know just send me some some stuff and let's try to work with it and and it was the first music that we placed in the film was was my dad's uh music and it had to you know it was a it was a tall order because we're talking about putting it next to the music of of Bob Dylan and Dizzy Gillespie and Willie Nelson and the Almond Brothers band and you know these are like you know icons of American music and if we had tried to use like stock music from a music library you you know it just would have never it would have sounded canned and yeah you know we just knew that was never gonna work but my dad's music it it it held up you know because it wasn't canned it wasn't written to be you know a a jingle for a commercial you know it was it was real music that that you know he had already recorded and then I asked him to there were a couple of scenes that we needed a piece of score for that needed you know we we didn't have anything particularly right and I was like he needs to have this kind of vibe and I would describe it to him and I would show him the scene and he would send me back these tracks and it was just like every time he was nailing exactly what I was looking for and and in a in a sort of different variety of of moods and genres and styles and tempos and everything else so it it was just such a joy to be able to work with my father that way and he loved the opportunity to do something different you know he hadn't he hadn't done anything like this before either so it was it was really an amazing amazing thing and I remember it was father's day we were we were wrapping up the movie in in the summer of 2019 and it was father's day and I I was so busy with finishing the movie that I just like I blew it and I called my dad and I was like happy father's day I got nothing for you except the phone call you know and he was just like you know you've given me the greatest gift by letting me work with you on this project and that just you know it was just such a special moment and I'll always be grateful for that opportunity um but yeah it's it's been great am I dead actually just put out an album where he um basically it's like music from the soundtrack of the rock and roll president um you can go check it out at sawspots.com that is it's so so cute I mean uh this one production for you has been I mean you know uh what's next I mean what how are you ever going to match this and but in asking you that it's it's are you really committed to documentaries about music or do you want to do is your filmmaking going to expand beyond that or well I would like to expand beyond music because I'm just I want to I'm eternally curious about all things and and I just love telling great stories so I don't really care if it's about music or not about music but I am super passionate about music and I'm really grateful to have an opportunity to tell stories about music I'm a huge music geek and um so I'm I'm actually really excited that we just announced yesterday um I put together another film super quickly um over the course of the pandemic my what what how I spent the pandemic was editing another documentary that was mostly archival footage based but it's about uh Tom Petty of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and I heard of him yeah he's he's pretty well known and um he uh there was a sort of collection of film footage that was shot in the mid 90s when he was at work on a record called Wildflowers which was kind of his most personal and and and heartfelt album that he that he ever made it to the day that he died he called it the best record he ever made and there was all this incredible film of him in the studio making this record and um his daughter is an old friend of mine and she called me up and was like you know we're making it we're gonna we're gonna give all this footage to someone to make a documentary about are you available and it was right when I was finishing up all of the festival circuit on on President Carter's film and so um we same editor that I worked with on President Carter who is just such a rock star editor we cranked it out because neither one of us had anything else to do so we just sat I sat in this room and worked on this Tom Petty film 24-7 basically and it's gonna be the um centerpiece film of the South by Southwest Film Festival next month fantastic yeah so super exciting oh my god well we are I'm I'm I'm so impressed and and I cannot believe I've never had an interview where the time has gone by so quickly we're now we're now about we've got about 10 minutes left um if there's anybody in the audience that has a question now is the time to submit it um last chance but I mean um you know Mary I mean you can tell you can you can pick up my enthusiasm but I appreciate it so much I mean when you first called me about you know doing something I was so excited by your enthusiasm for the film because you know um this this project really was a labor of love and it felt at times like pushing a big rock up a hill you know and and that's that's you know documentary filmmaking is like that a lot it's not necessarily a good career choice if you're if you're trying to get rich quick because it's never gonna happen making documentary films you know um but it's it's something that you know I feel blessed to have an opportunity to be a storyteller you know it's it's a it's a privilege when you touch people um Mary before I do have there's a question coming through but I just have to ask you for people who want to get the film stream the film in the future how they're going to be able to do it well so you can go to jimmycartermovie.com and that has links to where you can there's there's virtual cinema links there's but you can get it on amazon on iTunes uh Fandango now like wherever you rent movies normally it's widely available yeah so from uh we have uh oh well this is just a nice comment uh from a from my friend Christine Biddle this is what a magnificent man and congratulations and thank you for such a wonderful and inspirational film well thank you that's sort of nice I'm so happy that it's touching people and and and that it's inspiring people that's that's such an honor to to to be able to inspire people and um I certainly was inspired by by President Carter um you know you don't you don't run across people like him very often I think Bob Dylan puts it better than anyone ever could he says you know he's a kind of man you don't meet often and you're lucky if you ever do no there's no doubt about it and I've never met him but I I can your film makes you almost makes you feel like you have met him because it's because it's a very personal side of him he's not talking about you know the peace talks he's talking about his love of of American music and you know to me again that whole notion of all the music that we were talking about it wasn't just country it was rock it was country it was folk it was elder but it was American music yeah it was American music it's the music we all love because it's American music and that was what was so great for me about making this film is that you know I'll I'll fess up to being a liberal and um I the the the Trump years were hard for me because I I had gotten to a point where I wasn't proud of America anymore and you know when when our government was throwing babies into cages that was not okay for me you know and Jimmy Carter reminded me about something that I could be proud about as an American I could be proud about our contribution to culture around the world I could be proud about what Jimmy Carter has done to foster democracy and wage peace as as he likes to say and you know that is something to be proud of no matter where your political beliefs lie on the spectrum I think that we we can all agree that you know that peace is a good thing and and that people should have homes and and that's what Jimmy Carter stands for democracy freedom and the American way and rock and roll and working together and civility and corny ideas like that we don't know anymore hold on now we have other questions um so here's a question did you know the willy story of smoking weed in the white house was not with a servant but Carter's son that whole story did you know that before president Carter told it in the interview Carter we so we interviewed Chip his son who smoked weed with with willy yeah right before we interviewed president Carter and we we suspected um and we asked because I asked willy about it and willy would not he would not uh he would not rat out chip but and we asked chip about it and chip would not fess up to it he would not confirm or deny and and it wasn't until president Carter actually he knew it all along um okay I've got another um was there an anecdotal moment that really stuck with you and didn't make it into the film uh amazing piece of work thank you uh well thank you for that uh something that didn't make I mean well yes okay president Carter's love of classical music is something that I regret that you know there's always sometimes in making it a film and it gets to be too long you have to you have to make Sophie's choice you know you have to kill one of your babies and and it's always difficult and and the the baby that we had to kill was the classical music story which he loved um the great pianist Vladimir Horowitz and when Horowitz um the first concert at the White House when they sort of initiated this like live from the White House concert series it was it was Horowitz that had been in retirement and president Carter basically pleaded with him to come out of retirement and play and um the afternoon that uh Horowitz was going to play at the White House Carter was at work in the Oval Office and he knew that Horowitz was going to be rehearsing downstairs in the room where they do the the concerts and and he basically was like I gotta go and he went down to where Horowitz to see Horowitz rehearsing and he said uh he noticed that Horowitz had missed a note and he went over to him afterwards and he said you know master Horowitz you sounded amazing uh you know I couldn't help but notice that like in the third measure of this one piece did you miss a note and and Horowitz was like taken aback you know and like how how did you how did you even know that and Carter was like I I I know your records I've memorized your he had heard his records his so many times that he knew those pieces of music by heart and he recognized that he had missed a note and Horowitz said president Carter you and I are the only people in this room that know that but like and that to me is such an amazing sign of what an astute listener president Carter was you know no doubt and it's it's a funny story and it's it's just an amazing like little anecdote that we ended up not having time for well I bet Horowitz was on his toes when he actually had to perform knowing yeah listening well and the the footage of his performance which you can find it on YouTube about Vladimir Horowitz live from the White House I don't care I'm not an expert I'm classical music by any stretch but I don't care if you know anything about classical music at or not you watch that it is an amazing performance that you know that it's it's just one of those like a master at work unbelievable Horowitz was a brilliant genius I mean he was the master no there was nobody like him I would have loved to have his fingers he had amazing fingers hold on and we have one one more we have a couple more things here this is the open-ended question but but it's did telling the story change you well it did absolutely and and I have to say that you know it it's hard to say this without sounding egotistical because it's it it it it so here's here's here's what what I I I've used this sort of idea before and talking about you know I don't ever in making a film about somebody I don't ever put myself at the same level you know I made a film about Joan Baez and and I said once about this film that like she's a storyteller of a caliber that I would never in a million years put myself at her level of storytelling but what I can say is like I'm not at her and I'm not at President Carter's level of being on the world stage but I'm in the room I'm in the back of the room but but just to even think of myself as being in the room with President Carter absolutely changed me because you know who am I you know nobody knows me you know but but I'm in the room you know you made this great film so you're very much in this in the room and I have one more it is not a question but it's a statement which is the film opened my perception of President Carter in many positive ways and makes me feel even more hopeful about President Biden both are men of truth um and I I think that's sort of a nice way to a nice summation for yeah our evening um you know uh young senator then senator Biden was the first uh senator to endorse Jimmy Carter when he was running for president wow so it's amazing well we we are we have a new day now but Mary I want to thank you so much for doing this with us and on the behalf of the audience and the the folks out there you made a wonderful film you and I we knew and I are going to stay in touch because we're both New Yorkers and we both I guess you didn't you didn't pick up on it I love I'm a music geek myself so um let's go geek out some music when the world opens up and and blues by the way tell you you're I want to hear more of your dad's music because I'm a huge blues uh I'll get a blues sound um so John Lee Hooker I'm going to put him on right now but you made a wonderful film thank you you brought a lot of people a lot of joy and thank you so much for being with us tonight thank you for having me and thank you everyone for watching the film and um you know three cheers for President Carter indeed three cheers for President Carter and three cheers for rock and roll music right on man thank you so much everybody for coming and thank you Mary thank you all okay bye bye good night


Hi, guys. It's Monica. I am going to share with you a very quick wig review, a look-see at a wig that I have been wanting, I think for three years. I have been wanting to get this hair and it is John Minow's Ignite and this is in the shade Shaded Praline. If you're interested, stay tuned. I got another wig. So let me tell you about this style. This is John Minow's Ignite wig and I love, love the style, the cut of Ignite. I really do. I love the way, I just love this style. I think this is the perfect short hair wig in my opinion. Off your neck so that you can be comfortable in the summertime, a light cap, lace front. The only drawback to this wig for me is that it does not have a monofilament. I love a monofilament. Now, when you have a monofilament cap, it gives you an illusion of a real part, but it also typically does not have as much permatease. This wig has permatease in it, but oh my gosh, I really think it needs the permatease. So I bought this and I actually bought it. If you are familiar with Facebook, you know that there's a lot of wig groups. One of the wig groups that I belong to that I highly advocate because I know that they just, they're super friendly and they give amazing advice to women that are into alternate hair, whether it's for medical reasons, whether their own hair is just thinning or it is for the convenience of being able to have nearly perfect hair. Snap of a finger basically. So I bought this on their Sell It Sunday. The lady I bought this from is, had bought this, this was brand spanking new. The tag was still on. It was so securely packaged in the box with all of the information, including the Jon Renau, you know, the hair comb still in there. So it arrived and I, I mean, I got a bag of this by on it. She had, she had bought this and then I think the color was too warm for her. I'm not really too sure, but she was going to try to sell it at a really great discount or if failing that she was going to turn it and then just absorb the restocking for you that most wig companies will assess when you return a wig that you, so anyways, she, she put it on for sale. I saw it and this has just been on my bucket list. I just have wanted this wig for the longest time and when I saw it for sale, I said, Oh my gosh, I have to get it. And so I did. This would be Jon Renau if you're listening, which I'm sure they, they aren't, they don't even know I exist. This would be an absolutely perfect wig if it had them on and fail them out for me. And if the rooting came along the hairline a little bit more, I'm going to, this is totally unaltered. I am going to put a little bit of concealer along the root line here, the hairline, only because I feel that the dark band, now granted I can hide it with the hair, but I just think the dark band, even though you can see the lace front gives you a little bit of an illusion of a scalp there and that's awesome. I just think it'll look better if I kind of disguise that a little bit more, but this is an amazing, amazing wig. I'm so glad I bought it. I do have one other Jon Renau wig and that's it. I've never owned another Jon Renau wig and that is in the exact same shade and this is the Kristen wig. I'll superimpose a picture of me or a little video clip of me right now wearing it so you can see a little bit of, this is a much longer, it is in the exact same shade although Kristen I think is, it's pure synthetic. Kristen was a little bit more shinier and I did have to spray her with a little bit of dry shampoo when I, when I got her to bring down the shine, but she's very similar of the same color. This is heat defiant fibers so the fibers and colors going to be slightly different. I expected a little bit of a difference, but I don't think there's all that much of a difference in the color variation between the synthetic and the heat defiant at all. I'm going to show you the inside of the cap so you can see what it looks like and so first of all I want you to notice the lace front does extend to the ear tap so it does extend to the ear tap and it goes in, I don't know, maybe about an inch, three-quarters of an inch it goes in and then there is no monofilament so you can see there's some permatease. The permatease is really needed to keep the shape of this. I think the shape of this wig is what is really what makes it so popular. So without some of that permatease you would not have the beautiful shape of this wig. So the cap is super comfortable and stretchy. Again you've got the velcro adjusters here. Some people like them, some people don't and then you've got the the nape.  Some people have done that as well. This is John Minow Ignite in Shaded Praline. Shaded Praline gives you just a little bit of a dark rooting. So that was the inside of the cap. I'm going to superimpose me outside wearing this wig in the sunlight as you can see I'm in my yard I'm walking around. This is typically where I will film a lot of my outside videos. I'm in my second driveway I call it because it's a driveway we used to bring our motorhome up the driveway and I usually walk there because a little bit shady and then I come into the open sun so you can see it in natural shady light and then in natural sunlight, bright sunlight. And you know I just, Jay and I are getting ready to go on a camp trip and by the time you see this we'll probably be camping but I'm bringing this with me. I absolutely love this wig. I really do and like I said I'm going to play with some concealer along the hairline. I think it'll be absolutely perfect. I had reviewed a wig and I'll link that one below too. I had reviewed a wig that I picked up that I bought that was I call it sleeper wig because I've never really paid any attention to or I don't even think I ever heard of the style. I know the brand Tressalore. I've had Tressalore wigs but this was Trina and it's a very similar I said in that video to John Minowrenite. Now I didn't have Ignite, John Minow's Ignite. I didn't have Ignite at that point in time but I thought the cut was similar. However I think Trina has a beautiful, she has a beautiful temple-to-temple lace front just like this one but she has a monofilament and so she's not going to have quite as much fullness on top as this wig has but she looks absolutely beautiful. So I'm going to share that with you. If you haven't seen it I'll probably show you a picture. This is this is so I think this is I granted it's a much blonder look for me but I love this style. I really really do. I think I we tried this in a different color. Guys have any recommendations let me know. I just really I really love it. Thanks so much for watching guys. I'm feeling sassy in my sexy wig. Thank you guys.


I guess the the interception early in the end zone there you guys have generally been excellent in the red zone but on that play did you feel like you forced it you know I think Mike said that might be one you'd like to have back was that that was at the case on that play. Yeah no done I shouldn't know I should have made that throw we're trying to get the ball tight and little leak there and they did a good job covering it up try to make some happen. So I throw up his hand just my snap reaction let it rip but there's no way I should make that throw so just keep scrambling and either you know keep it on the ground run it or throw it away totally on me. Jim. Right after a five no start you got how much you feel like you guys have given to back and how impaired is it if you get that you get things fixed in a hurry with a tough stretch coming up. Yeah no doubt we got we got to clean a lot of things up definitely not how we wanted to come out and play today and I started off with turnover in the red zone and then stalled out in the fringe multiple times throughout the day so we have to be able to sustain those drives we were moving the ball pretty effectively. We cross the 50 get there the 50 to the 40 and install out several times so we have to be able to keep moving the ball they're getting to the red zone and then you know finishing the end zone so. You know our guys kept battling but we didn't do enough earlier in the game and being able to sustain those drives and getting the end zone. Luke. Right we've seen so far this year the version of the Titans that blows out Buffalo and nicks out some close games early in the season and then we've seen the version that today lost to a one win team and that last week couldn't get it done against Pittsburgh. Who is this Titans team at heart and which version is closer to reality. We're a team that believes in each other that has all that we need within this locker room we just have to clean some things up and be able to go out and play full games you know we've had stretches we've played really great. Whether it's finishing up games or like you said playing well for a full game but we need to be able to finish those drives as an offense and just play consistent through four quarters you know we battle back. Had a couple good two minute drives to put points on the board but it's too little too late it really starts off earlier in the game being able to finish those drives that we were moving the ball and put in the end zone. Terry. Brian this is the first week except maybe the opener against Denver where the offense has really looked kind of out of sync what do you feel like was some of the things that cost that today. Yeah I don't really think we were out of sync we were moving the ball effectively pretty much the whole day. We just stalled out in the red in the French like I said you know we had a penalty there had a drop had a. An opportunity a third down and wasn't able to to get hump the ball there was kind of getting tackled as I threw so we had opportunities we're just close you know just close to to finish in those jobs keep keeping those things going and. Finish in the end zone so you know I don't think we felt out of sync or anything like that we were moving the ball string some drives together but we have to be able to finish better. Yeah Ryan with with this being the first time that you guys have been on the road since Minnesota was there was there any any kind of difference to you from playing the past couple games at home to what you guys were able to do out there in a road game today. I don't think it affected anything you know obviously it's been a little while but I don't think it had any effect. Paul. I know you say you've got everything you need to do what you need to do in the locker room you do have some newcomers who weren't part of what you did last year. Who don't seem to be meeting a standard or raising their game is that something gets talked about or you count on guys to do that on their own how's that work. Yeah I mean we have a standard and we do our best to hold every every man to that. You know offense we've had some guys step up and play good football for us who weren't here last year tie comes to mind a guy who stepped in and played big for us. Deontay made some big plays today for us. Jeremy who was kind of in and out last year has played well for us all year so we have got guys step in and play well for us. It's just a matter of being like I said more consistent you know throughout the whole game. Yeah this week leading up to this game was there talk among you guys of not allowing this to be a let down game and not allowing you to overlook them despite there were one five and one. Yeah no doubt you know we were clear and coming in here we knew we were going to have to play well and it's the NFL there's no nothing that's given your records don't really mean anything when you roll out there on a Sunday. You have to go earn a win each and every week so we talked about it we just didn't execute enough long enough to do it. Kayla. Just to get one more to spin it forward you know you're a team that plays with a lot of swagger a lot of confidence what for you personally will be the key to keeping that confidence going as you get ready for the Bears and you know further games in your season. Yeah just go back to work you know I think that confidence is built throughout the week. Being good in practice executing in practice and we've had good practices but just being able to to transition that from from practice over to the game. I think our guys will come out and play a lot of with a lot of confidence next week obviously hungry to write the ship and get things moving in the right direction. Thank you all. Yeah you mentioned you guys have had good practices Vrable was very specific talking with us just now saying that change happens obviously in practice that's where it happens. You guys barely had any practice before the Buffalo game we clearly saw the result of that. So you'd say the last two weeks you've been confident in the practices you guys have had. Yeah I mean I can only evaluate what I'm seeing offensively and obviously it's not all perfect right. I mean that's why your practice is to get better to make mistakes in practice and correct it and execute. So really you know I've been happy with the way the guys have come into practice with a focus and then been able to if we do make a mistake correct it and move on. So just a matter of staying with that staying with the process of how we prepare mentally in the in the meeting room coming with a purpose each and every day transitioning that over to the practice field. When you execute there then then it'll transition over to the game field. David. Ryan everybody knows it's a tough game but what's the impact of Humphrey's getting hurt like he did there. Does take everybody in play or two to sort of shake that off. Yeah we were all emotional about that you know to seeing him being defenseless and getting hit in the head and neck area you know that's something that I think is just trying to be removed from the game. So to see that happen to him in a defenseless position really you know got everyone emotionally and yeah definitely had to take a couple seconds there to reset. Two more. Gentry. Yeah Ryan not to make excuses but when the when the wind is gusting the way it was out there today and then you get in a situation late in the game where you've got to throw I mean how much more difficult does that make it. I mean it was a factor but you know I think we soon as we went to two minute and started throwing the ball we were very effective and move the ball down and finished in the end zone so it was a factor but I don't think it really affected us too much.


What's good, George? We're all back again with another video. So I'm going to check out 10 WWE superstars who bravely stood up to Vince McMahon. Now, it's not that many individuals that will stand up to Vince McMahon himself. But the ones that have, you got to have, I guess you can say, a set of cojones to stand up to the almighty Vince. And sometimes that can benefit you. It shows Vince that you're passionate about what you're standing up to him about, and sometimes it depending on how you deliver that information, it could ultimately hurt you and you may end up getting punished for it by your bookings like you and may end up in horrible situations. Booking wise, your character may end up getting destroyed on TV because of it. So it's really a give or take dependent on how much it really depends on how much Vince values you as a commodity to the program where he'll it depends on how much he'll let you say to him. You know, it just depends. Like, for example, Roman Reigns can say certain things. Defense like, I'm not really about to do that. I don't know about that. Vince, I think we need to switch it up compared to someone lower on the card. You know, like, I'm just using an example like maybe like a Grayson Waller. If Vince was still around, it would be hard for Grayson Waller to really tell Vince to change his character or do this or do that. He may be able to suggest it, but it would be hard for Vince to really take him, you know, probably not. I wouldn't say take him seriously. Well, I would say that could seem like the type of like he'll hear you and then they'll just go on about his day. You know what I'm saying? So a Roman Reigns addressing something to Vince compared to like a Grayson Waller addressing something to Vince, you can tell who it actually, you know, who Vince would listen to more. I'm just using that as an example.  Appreciate all love and support. Let's get right into it, man. Vince McMahon is notoriously one of the scariest individuals in pro wrestling. McMahon is truly an enigma and wrestlers past and present have spoken out about how daunting interactions with McMahon can be. The majority of wrestlers have allowed McMahon to micromanage them. But certain wrestlers have shown no intimidation when it comes to McMahon and have stood up for what they believe is right. Yeah. Join us now as WrestleMania looks at 10 W because guess what? A lot of times sometimes. Well, I wouldn't say a lot of times, but some of those individuals knew how valuable they were to Vince. PWB wrestlers who stood up to Vince McMahon. Be sure to subscribe and hit that notification bell for daily wrestling videos. It's about the dollars for exclusively if you're valuable to a new channel. He'll listen to you more. Number 10, the shield. After debuting in WWE in late 2012, the shield were on an impressive run, but it was set to come to a halt at the 2013 Elimination Chamber event. In a short period, plans called for the shield to lose a six-man tag match against John Cena, Ryback and Sheamus. And the plan finish was to see Cena stand tall. No, I'm so glad I didn't have it. Rollins knew that this was the wrong finish. The finish wouldn't have benefited anyone and would have ultimately buried the shield just before WrestleMania 29. Yeah, it's been well documented how the shield reacted to these creative plans as the decorated trio decided to boldly take a visit to Vince McMahon's office and they stood up to the creative direction WWE were taking. The shield logically explained why the creative decision didn't work. An amazing lean McMahon actually listened to what the trio had to say and even changed the finish. The shield would win the six-man tag match which would remain unbeaten for the next several months on WWE. And that's crazy. Those three guys are at the top of the wrestling. Industry because of that one and because of that potential decision right there. Didn't kill the momentum. Crazy television. Number nine, the Godfather. In 1999, the Godfather was struggling to find a place in the card. And as a result, he went to Vince McMahon to vent his frustrations. McMahon stated that it's sometimes beneficial to be off TV, but Godfather clamped back at McMahon as he questioned what McMahon was saying. As a result, the former Intercontinental champion was booked in a one-minute squash on TV as a punishment for standing up to the boss. I just told y'all, sometimes it can benefit you to stand up to them. And then sometimes you do that and then you get punished for it, bro. In comparison, the shield had a higher ceiling than what they had planned for the Godfather. So who's making them more money, potentially? Put some insight into the stories on with Briscoe and Bradshaw. So I go under and talk to Vince and I explain my side to Vince. He goes, you know, Charles, sometimes it's better not to be on TV than it is to be on TV. But I don't hear that. I don't hear that. I keep going. No, I'll, I got it out. Once again, Charles, sometimes it's better not to be on TV than it is to be on TV. Don't want to hear. Okay. All right. I'll put you on TV. You want to be on TV? So the new car comes up, right? Godfather, Triple H, no hoes, one minute. Wow. Number eight. That's crazy. He was telling them just let it go, Charles. And he's like, nah, all right, I'll put you on TV. And it ain't nothing worse than getting squashed in one minute. Rob Van Dam. A Rob Van Dam has always been a wrestler who's been willing to go against the norm and remove himself from situations that he feels uncomfortable in. In the 2000s, Vince McMahon wanted RVD to attend the annual tribute to the troops show in Iraq, but RVD told McMahon that he had no plans of going to the event. On his podcast, this is what the former WWE champion had to say about the infamous act of defiance. I was stewing about it and other wrestlers are coming up to me saying, man, Rob, I respect you for saying no. Like I don't want to go either, but I can't say no. I'm not RVD, dude. Why do I always hear that? Like there's something in my contract that says I can get no heat. You know what I mean?  And you know, that works for and against me, but I'm here saying that Christmas break, I'll be in Calif or wherever the hell I lived at the time. I guess that was it. Anyway, it was a subject like, are they not going to let you go? I was getting mad. What do you mean, let me not go? Like I'm a prisoner. According to the former head of talent relations for WWE Jim Ross on his podcast, RVD saying no to the trip resulted in him receiving substantial backstage heat. Of course, there was backstage heat. Vince looked at it as an unpatriotic act, more or less. And look, I admire and I always have Vince McMahon's patriotism and the United States should love him because he pays a load of taxes. And I know he's legit about his love of Dr. Martin Luther King. Amen to that. But you know, sometimes you can take this stuff too far. Here's the deal. Here's how I would have addressed that. Vince, he doesn't want to go. He's not comfortable going. Number seven, Mark Henry. And that's crazy. That's, that's so crazy, bro. That's crazy. I ain't going. And Vince, no, Vince being Vince. Oh, you won't, you don't. That's wild. That's a while. Back in 2011, a prank on Mark Henry fired in a major way and it resulted in Henry confronting Vince McMahon and almost quitting on the spot. Henry was supposed to wrestle a dark match against Sin Cara, but Cara never appeared for the match. And this left Henry utterly embarrassed. According to Henry, during an interview with Chris Van Vliet, Henry expressed why the incident made him angry and the Hall of Famer had a completely valid argument. I felt disrespected. I felt trivialized. Out of all the work that I did, like all the sacrifices, new people say, oh, you got paid a lot of money. You know what, man? I didn't get paid enough money to dummy down my pride and respect as a man. Ain't no price for that. And when that happened, I felt like, okay, I'm expendable. I'm useless to them. They don't respect me. Being that I'm a man and I was able to say my piece to Vince and everybody involved like, just know who I am because that won't ever happen again. If it does, like us talking will not be an option. Everyone onto state that he used the anger from the incident to fuel the acclaimed Hall of Paying character, which would arguably end up being Henry's most successful and celebrated run in WWE. Yeah. Number six, Mick Foley. Mick Foley and Vince McMahon have always had an interesting relationship behind the scenes. And at one point during Foley's stint as a commentator on Smackdown, Foley had enough of McMahon's poor behaviour and management, and this ultimately led to him exiting WWE in favour of TNA. Foley and McMahon would embark in a heated confrontation due to Foley giving his notice to the company, which Foley detailed on his podcast. He officially gave the notice. I made it really clear that if that was part of the job, I didn't want any part of it. And Vince, you know, he tried to... This is where I'm hesitant because you know, Vince had, you know, he's imagined going through a tough time. I tried to text him for his birthday and that's the WWE number, so it's not working anymore. But he... I said, well, I said, Vince, what's the end game here? I work hard at this for 10 years and I get as good as I can possibly be. You treat me the way you treat J.R. And then he gets about this close. He goes, you think I've been bad to him? I said, I think you've made his life a lot more difficult than it needed to be. Number five, Chris Jericho. And here's the thing, it's been countless reports of how Vince has treated J.R. for sure. For sure it has not been the best. It has it. It definitely has it.  He has not really treated him the best. And he is the one of the most important integral parts of the success of the WWE in the attitude era, because he was the voice that we heard on our television sets, capturing those iconic moments. So it makes a fair point there, Mick Foley. Even though Chris Jericho is an AEW talent, he's still... Yeah, Chris is dealing with... He's in some hot water right now. We don't know how true the allegations are, but he's in his own sink and ship right now. Hopefully they can figure that all out. Extremely close with Vince McMahon, with Jericho even going on record to say that he could text McMahon at any time of the day and it would be guaranteed a reply. The relationship between the two hasn't always been great, however, as according to Jericho, the two had an argument that was so severe that Jericho wanted to punch McMahon in the face. The story goes that when Jericho was picked to host their show Downfall, he kept it private, as he didn't want WWE or McMahon interfering. However, when Jericho was on the cover of The Hollywood Reporter, McMahon was furious that Jericho didn't tell him. According to Jericho, McMahon insisted that he wasn't allowing Jericho to host the show, and the two had a verbal back and forth, which included McMahon claiming that Jericho was fired. The two eventually worked things out, and Jericho was allowed to host the show with McMahon's blessing. It's not always main event talent that I've had the courage to stand up to Vince McMahon, as Mustafa Ali earned a ton of respect from his peers and fans when he stood up for himself in an argument with McMahon. During the development stages of Ali's infamous new American persona, McMahon pitted something to Ali that Ali would have never in a million years be comfortable in doing. His refusal led to a confrontation between himself and McMahon, and McMahon was so furious with Ali's active defiance that it was pulled from WWE TV indefinitely. It was reported following the argument that Ali had requested his WWE release, which at the time was outright rejected by WWE. Number three, Nails. Nails had one of the most controversial. This one we've seen a video about. This is like the only person I know that's actually attacked Vince. Like legitimately put the beats on Vincent Kennedy, McMahon. It's the only person I know of that's it's been reported that put the beats to Vince bro legit special firings of all time as he aspired for literally assaulting Vince McMahon. In late 1992 Nails confronted McMahon in his office over pay dispute and according to Bret Hart, Nails cornered McMahon in his office screamed at him for over 15 minutes. It was believed that this verbal tirade escalated into Nails knocking McMahon over in his chair and choking him. Apart from some more insight into the crazy incident in his autobiography, Kevin Nails cornered Vince McMahon in his office and screamed at him for 15 minutes about all the lies he'd been told. His yelling got so loud I got goosebumps up my back as I listened from down the hall. Suddenly there was a loud crash.  Nails walked out and immediately called the police and accused Vince of making a sexual advance toward him. Vince was charged with sexual assault but the charges were dropped soon after. Some of the boys actually admired Nails for snatching Vince while covering his tracks to not get charged himself. The last thing Vince wanted was another scandal.   Brock Lesnar for the rest of the day for main event was met with widespread criticism from fans and critics alike. The main event saw Brock Lesnar collide with Roman Reigns for the universal title and there was no demand to see the match up especially in the main event slot of the biggest show of the year. Due to fan resentment towards the match the live crowd turned on both men as they booed and chanted for other wrestlers that weren't even in the match. Lesnar was absolutely livid with the response to the match up but when he got backstage he was titled directly at Vince McMahon and was reported that a full blown argument between the two took place. Whilst the argument was said to be intense the two eventually made amends and the two have managed to maintain a strong relationship over the past five years. And number one the Undertaker has no greater bond in per wrestling than the bond between the Undertaker and Vince McMahon. The two see each other as family and it came as no surprise when McMahon inducted the Deadman into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2022. A friendship aside the two have butted heads in the past most notably in 1997 when the Deadman felt utterly betrayed by McMahon. When the Montreal screw job went down the Deadman was bewildered. The Undertaker had a great relationship with Bret Hart and had no idea that McMahon planned on screwing Hart out of the title. The Undertaker wanted answers and he reportedly confronted McMahon and demanded to know what on earth McMahon was thinking. According to Hart during an interview with Sports Illustrated the Deadman was pounding on McMahon's door insisting that McMahon explained himself to the locker room. I punched out Vince McMahon in the locker room but the only reason Vince was in the locker room was because the Undertaker pounded on Vince's door after the screw job.  And Vince wouldn't have listened to anybody else. I wrote taker a letter when I left. Hart said you have to be the voice of the dressing room and the leader now that I'm calling it. And that's what he was. If there's anybody in the Undertaker was truly a locker room leader bro. Truly a locker room leader that was all about making sure the business get done correctly. And he had no qualms of charging up Vince himself when he felt like what went down with Bret was not cool. That's what you call respect and guess what that's what Vince had to listen even though that's his employee we all everybody knows the Undertaker you know Mark his his his what he was building even at that time they knew he was he was cut from a different cloth and Vince respected him and a lot of people in that locker room respected him so hey man if there's anybody that's gonna check Vince it's gonna be Mark Calloway or aka the Undertaker man comment down below let me know man some other videos you guys want me to check out appreciate all the love and support you guys have shown on the channel roll 250k and I'm still gonna speak to you to the rest of the world appreciate y'all kicking you with me see y'all next one peace


All right, thank you so much, Mike. And we mentioned at the top of the show that this guy is super busy. My co-host Eddie George. I got to call you coach now, man. Yeah, no, it's crazy, right? Coach of TSU. Look, man, I remember you told me back on the Titans Blitz what, November? Yeah. That you got the offer. Yeah, I got it, I got it, opportunity. I looked at it, vetted it out.  You know, I was like, I'm not a coach. But after doing some soul searching, doing some due diligence, called around the league, got a opinion of different coaches, different friends that I knew, and really thought about the opportunity of making an impact in kids' lives and just where it was going. And really, prime, Deon Sanders, he's a trendsetter. And I saw the impact he had at Jackson State. And me living here for 20-some-odd years, me familiar with Tennessee State University, the tradition, everything that it entails, they have the bones to be really great. So I said, why not? Why not me? Why not you?  It's the first thing he said to me when you got the job. The only thing you cared about were those kids. Yeah, yeah. No, no question. Because if I'm going to do this, I'm going to be 100% in.  I have to be all the way involved from recruiting to compliance to the moment these kids wake up in the morning, what they eat, how they get to the facility, how they practice when they leave, how they study. And more importantly, how they transition out of the game after the game. I think it's going to be a huge asset for that. And really create an environment where we're going to bring in some really great teachers, not just coaches, but teachers that are going to really invest in them as men. And I'm really excited about it as well. Yeah, well, I know you are. I know you're going to do a great job. Well, I'm trying to recruit some guys to see if they've got some eligibility to my right. Do you bring them in in a second, but we'll see. Let's do that right now. They've been sitting here waiting patiently. CJ2K, the freak, Javon Curse. Thank you guys for being here. Thanks for having us. So how about Coach here? Yes, man, it's amazing to see that for him to get that job and for him to go in there and help the kids and the things that I know he would be able to do from just how he inspired me and his leadership and stuff like that. They got a great guy. Do you have any eligibility left to see? You came out in the junior, right? No, I see you, see you. I see you. But that's the facts right there. Like, it's all right there, whatever. This guy right here, he embodies hard work, determination, but not just on the field. Not just on the field of play, but just off the field as well. Just this big bro, this is one of the guys that I really looked up to my first days, like my first minutes in the NFL, him and Steve. I couldn't wait to go meet those guys and talk to those guys. And he took on a big brother role. I kind of forced him to do it, but he took it. I kind of forced him to do it. But I mean, he's the guy like if it's anyone that I know that's perfect for this job, it's my man Eddie George. And he has mentioned something about trying to recruit some guys. He don't have to recruit me. Like, I can do something. I'm just afraid. Be ready right now. I'm back in the years, weight room, something there. And even off the field and stuff. But I mean, but like my guy Eddie George, like he's definitely the man for these kids. All right, well, let's talk about that. And congratulations once again, Eddie. You're going to do a killer job. I can't wait to see you coach on the same field that you all played on, TSU playing in the Sun Stadium. But let's transition a little bit on that thought, Javon. You technically were the first Titan drafted. Ever. Ever. Ever to the Titan. You're the first Titan. Yeah. So when you came to the team, you were looking at guys like this? Yeah. I mean, like I watched Eddie in college. I watched his little p-head stuff. I wasn't when the husband in college. And it was staying like back in college. And then it's the same with Steve. And then like once I got my name called on that Saturday and when I got here, I'm like, man, I'm like these. I'm like those are some of the guys that I want to get to know because we're a family. I need to get to know my big brothers early and often. Yeah, when we got Javon, we found out we drafted Javon. It was like always on. Yeah, Jeff Fisher raved about, listen, he said, Steve, Eddie, we've got this kid out of Florida. He is going to change the game.  He can rush. He can do it all. It's like Javon Curse. Oh my god, Javon. So when he got in the camp, I'm trying to be all cool, like whatever, he a rookie. He going to say, we're going to see how he handles the conditioning test. This dude was backpedaling the last lap of the conditioning test. So we just knew he was going to be special for us. And he was the missing cog to really set us off to go from 8 and 8 to have the run that we had during our time at the Titans. He's actually the bridge. He played with CJ, too. So he was the old head. So yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's absolutely right. What are these guys going through tonight, guys? And this is Draft Night. We got some Titans in the wings waiting in the wings. But what's everybody feeling? How are these guys feeling tonight? Are they? Me personally, I'm sure it's the more guys in the draft. I was hearing all of this top 10 thing. So I was kind of anxious. I had butterflies that day or whatever. And then back then, they started the first two or three rounds on that Saturday. But literally, on that day, my stomach was going through a whole lot of stuff. But then, eventually, it catapulted me. It motivated me because I felt like I was going to be top 10. I didn't feel like that. I think I heard that. I was hearing that. So once you start hearing things, it starts getting planted there. So once I heard top 10 or whatever, and then the teams that I visited, maybe four teams, all top 10. And then the day before and the morning of the draft, none but top 10 teams were reaching out to me to make sure that they had the correct phone number for me and everything. And then once they did, I'm like, I'm going top 10. And once that didn't happen, I'm actually happy it didn't happen. To be honest with you, I'm happy I fell to 16. Yeah, 16. It was not like it was far. It was motivation. No, it wasn't far, but to me, I'm the type of person that I'm going to always find a way to motivate myself. I'm going to find a way to push myself, even if you can't, or even if another team can, or coaching someone, if they can't do it, I have to find a way to do it myself. And then with that, then I told the story to everybody, they're like, you do it first round. You went number 16. I'm like, I did, but I felt like I should have been off the board because that day, that draft, it's long, man. You were at home, which I probably shouldn't have been at home because I was at home with family and friends. And then they know how to reach me. So they call in the house. During the drill, did you get picked yet? No, I didn't get picked yet. Turn your TV on and watch it. Stop tying up the full line. Chris, what about you?  So what are your thoughts on draft night? Well, my whole, my whole draft process, you know, it was always saying that I was going to go second, third round because I went to a smaller school. You know what I'm saying? So then after I ran at the combine, after I ran to 40, you know, they say it was rising, it was rising. I could be a first round pick. So I was late first round, early second. You know, a lot of different things and stuff like that. And then, you know, you hear the guys say, yeah, he didn't play us against the competition and this and that. And then it was just crazy because I went to, like, I went from after the combine, then after, you know, you have your visits to the different, you got to fly to different cities. I had 16 visits. So I'm like, so I'm flying from city to city to city. So then I got my workouts or whatever. So it was crazy. Coach Ernest Biner, the running back coach, he went to East Carolina too. So he, so the day before the draft, he called me and he was like, hey, man, listen, I just, I just finished talking to fish. They say, if you there at 24, we're going to take you. So when he tell me this, it kind of upset me because, because it was five running backs winning the first round of my year. And I felt like I was better than all those guys. Five slower running backs is what you're saying. Five slower too, yeah. So I'm like, it's no way that four running backs is going to go before me. And I'm going to fall all the way to 24. Know what I'm saying?  So when 24 got there, I'm like, yeah, he told me this. I'm like, I want to be a first rounder. And then I seen six, one, five pop up and I'm like, oh. So I kind of knew, I kind of knew, but I wanted to go earlier, but it worked out for the best. I'm glad I didn't go earlier. I'm glad I dropped to 24. My first year I had more rushing yards than every running back that went before me. Combined. Combined. I feel like I had a better career than everybody that went before me. So it worked out. It's funny because we had the same common themes. I, they, the Titans had, they were at number nine and I was supposed to go at nine. And then they dropped at like 22 or 24. Yeah, they treated me, nobody else was picking and running back. So I was in New York and the cameras went straight to me when they did that. And I was like, oh my God. So I got to put on a fake laugh. Like I'm not upset. And then inside I'm sick. Like, oh my gosh. And the next team I was going to pick me was at 17, was Minnesota. And, but the Titans came back up at 14 and got me. And I told my agent said, just get me in the camp on time, I'll take care of the rest. There was two other running backs that went before me, Timbiaka Batuka and the late Lawrence Phillips. And I remember CJ, when he got drafted, I was calling games for the Titans back then. His first, I think it was his first carry. He's like, okay, we want to see what young CJ can do. If he's ready for the big time, you know, he's small in size, but he's fast. Dude, he had, I think he had the second carry. You took it 80 yards. I said, well, we have it. There it is. Nothing else needs to be said. And now I'm thinking to myself, okay, I hope he doesn't break my all-time record, because this dude can do it in two years. The way that he was doing it. But he was such a special, special player for us, man. And I'm so glad that he was able to carry that mantle of great running backs that this franchise has produced. This franchise, I mean, we're looking at a great portion of this franchise. Y'all are some of the greatest to ever wear this uniform. It's an honor to sit here with you and on this draft night, we potentially might have another one coming up. But I was just curious about those nerves that you felt. And it's interesting. I can tell in each and every one of you, you still sort of viscerally feel that moment that night. I did a post earlier. I was talking about the goosebumps, the goosebumps that I felt. Like I said, like I visited like, I visited maybe five or six teams. They're all top 10. And then the teams that I heard from. So I had this set in my mind in concrete.  But I mean, like things work out to what they're doing. And I think I appreciate the way it worked out. Absolutely do. How are the Titans looking these days? They're looking pretty good. Yeah? They're looking pretty good. I like hearing your perspective on this. Yeah, they're looking pretty good. We got another 2K in the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How you feel about that? You OK with that? I feel great about it, man. I feel great about it. You know way back then when they was trying to write them off, I told them they need to give them the ball. He's not a guy that you can just give the ball here and there.  I feel like he's a hyper guy like me. And also, like Eddie, you have to give us the ball. And throughout the game, third, fourth quarter, then, you know that's when the defense going to lay down. But honestly, when he was on the verge of cracking 2,000, were you watching? And Tintley, where were you when he broke the record? I was at home watching. And it was even before he broke the record. This one I knew he was going to break the record. He had a run, like I think it was up the right side. He probably broke like three or four times. I'm like, yeah, they don't want to hit him. I say they don't want to hit him. Yeah, I say he's going to break the record. After I seen that run, like he's going to break the record. But he needed to, like 253 or something like that. Yeah, but that run put him in like, I think it was like 120 or something like in the first half. I'm like, yeah, he going to break it. They don't want to hit him. I'm like, they don't want to hit him. I knew it. Man, it's been a run so far. And we're still going, obviously.  Love it. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's awesome. Legends right here. Personally, I like what they're doing. I like the focus they're doing on defense now.  Yeah, on paper. On paper, yes. It's a little different when you got to play the game. Right now, though, on paper, but I'm seeing good things, Bud Dupree picking up that acquisition. So I see a lot of freak-like play from him and his speed off the edge. So I wondered what your thoughts were on that. No, that's definitely big. I mean, personally, I'm a defensive lineman, so I feel like it all starts up front. So if you get that front four, the front seven, like doing things, that's going to make the guys on the back end job a lot less hard. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think this is definitely a tipping point for the Titans. Picking up Bud in the offseason was huge. There's something they needed to address. I thought last draft by getting a defensive in, but they felt that Clowning could do it. Getting Bud was good. I think still going defense still. The corner would be good in this draft in the first round. Offensive tackle. You can never go wrong with building out the trenches because inside out is how you win in this game. Of course, there's been speculation around Julio Jones possibly out of some of that. We got to get another receiver in there. Hurt that one. We have to. So we don't, yeah, no double team on one side, and then you don't let them eight, nine in the box there. Yeah, but you got problems. Yeah. I'm listening to this from Eddie's perspective as a coach now. It's like, this is how it came. But yeah, I know, I just know how it is. The season after you run for 2,000 yards, I know how it is the next season. Yeah, how is that? I mean, because he has two years in a row that he's led the league in rushing even harder for him. Yeah, because basically when teams play Titans, they know we got to start there. Know what I'm saying? So it's eight, nine in the box every game. Yeah. So then going back to that wide receiver, you're calling for it. Yeah, we got a good back to that. That's just a few. Yeah. You know AJ going to do what he had to do. So if, you know what I'm saying? We need somebody to understand so they can't double team him and put eight, nine in the box. I love that you guys still pay so such close attention to this game, you know.  So you were joking about, could they have any eligibility? I wasn't joking. I see this kind of happening. All right, fellas, thank you so much for being here and joining us before we go. I do want to offer CJ's sons a scholarship right now. Because I see the twins. Twins, juicies. They're babies, they're babies. They're eight years old. But already we're seeing it? Yeah, we see it. Oh yeah, it's there. So officially, the twins have their first college offer. It's here you go. They first college offer. It's on tape. Yeah, it's on tape. We got this. It's on tape. Javon Curse, The Freak, Chris Johnson, CJ2K, thank you for joining Eddie and myself here. And Coach. Coach. Coach, that's just crazy. Coach George.