We have Jason, myself, Callie and Ray, I think John will be here around seven o'clock, so we'll move on to that. And so we'll start with a public comment and we have at least one person to speak to.  Okay, so my name is Crystal Rogers. I live on Conte Court, so Waterbury's time. I submitted my letter of interest for the open school board seat to represent more time. I trust that you guys had gotten a letter of interest. If not, I'd do a copy of it just to cover the case. So I wanted to come tonight just so you could kind of have a face to a name of who I was. I've, as you read my letter, been here for 15 years. My son is currently a student over at Moortown. I submitted my letter of interest because I really felt that somebody who's been in the community for a significant amount of time, who has a child in the school system, I thought that was really important to potentially hopefully fill that empty seat. I've been attending all of the school board meetings pretty much since February, as well as community engagement committees. So I feel like I'm kind of up to speed on what's been going on. I just felt like it was really important to have another voice for the town and of course all of everybody in the school district. And because I do have a child that's at, you know, in the school system, I felt that that was important because of all the middle school, with that needs tomorrow and the other issues that could be coming down the pipeline as well. I just felt that it was important to have another voice. That's kind of, I just wanted to, you know, that's kind of... Have you read for that position before? No. When it's been open? No.  So I did vote for him when it was, and then, you know, his letter came out, which we're all surprised about. But having gone to the meetings, I, you know, he still goes on there. So that's why I haven't came tonight. Oh, we certainly appreciate you coming so that everyone knows that I'm sure we do, but just for the public. The select board has an opportunity to comment to the supervisory union as far as the candidates. So we should be receiving all who submitted a letter of interest. And then we'll be able to make comments back to the supervisory union to those. And then they will certainly make their decisions. But hopefully, you know, they'll take whatever we have to say in the consideration. But so I'll, you know, open it up. If anyone has any comments or questions for Kristen, right? No, that was a glad to see that you've been going to the meetings. That's always pretty important, you know, that you're not just jumping in there. Should you get to position? Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things that's very time consuming. So you're preparing to spend a fair amount of your time on that position. Yeah, I mean, I'm already there. You know, I go pretty much unless there's some sort of a conflict. I go there pretty much whenever there's a school board meeting. I make sure to attend, because I feel like it's especially with things that have been going on. I felt like that it was really important that if I'm going to have an opinion about things, you have to be willing to go and listen, even if you don't agree with things or you get upset with things, you have to be willing to listen. I mean, I know a lot of interest in that work as a nurse at the CBH, so I'm used to dealing with sometimes big personalities, especially when you're dealing with doctors. You get pushed back from people, you know, trying to juggle everything, especially as I said for that work as a relief charge nurse, so I'm in charge of both of our units and having to push back sometimes when it's not in the best interest of our nurses, so they're trying to push to get people back to our unit and trying to advocate for people. So I get, like, you know, when you come to a school board, there can be a lot of big personalities, a lot of opinions about what one person might feel is the best thing, but you really have to go with a really open mind and be willing to listen to all sides and really figure out what's best for the community and the town and the kids and the public. One of the things that I mean about Peter was his communication back to the board. So I would hope he'd engage as well and say, isn't that what usually they would come in together, maybe once a quarter, just to kind of update us on what was going on and if they needed anything, we would try to support you guys as well. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I would be willing to 100% do that because I feel that it's important that everybody knows what's going on on the school board and here, so, yeah, 100%. I mean, that's, I think that communication is a big key to making important decisions and making sure that everybody's well informed because miscommunication can really spread like wildfire and that's where our feelings can sometimes or misinterpretations of what somebody thought they heard just, you know, so. So have you had any feedback from Mr. Rice, were you using it? So just Bridget sending an email last week saying that she received it, that thanked me for stepping up to volunteer, that she thanked me for my volunteer work that I do and that just from Christine as well, just saying to, you know, are you available to come on September 19th? I guess that's where I was going. Yeah, so yeah, September 19th is, you know, and then just Maureen that she saw that my letter had come through. Because I said it's not only the chair and the superintendent for the entire school board as well, just so that they... Well, I'm sure that's probably a good idea. Well, you know, certainly I wish you luck there as well. Thanks. Christine, do you have a comment? I have a couple of questions, one of which you started to address, but I may as well just ask the question straight out, which is how do you plan on dealing with the issues that led to Peter's resignation? So I think what I kind of saw over the progress since I've been with me in February is I felt... My personal feeling is that you need to speak your voice, even if it's not a popular, what you want to say isn't popular, but those against maybe the majority of what is said. So I do feel like some people aren't willing to be honest and kind of sometimes go along with the status quo of the school board. I mean, your job on the school board is to make the best decisions for your town or the kids or the whole district of every town. And you need to say what you want to say. You might not be the most popular person, but you have to be honest with how you feel and try not to take it too personal if you buy heads. Does that kind of... It does. Okay. And the second question was what would your approach be to controlling costs? That I'm not 100% sure because I guess I would have to... I don't have a lot of experience in that area. I guess it's just to be really well informed, honestly. It's to be really well informed. I guess that's... I'm not sure. Like I said, I don't have experience with things like that. That's where I do lack of experience, but I would try to ask the questions that need to be asked. I'll just give you an example of this whole solar deal thing that the school board voted on. I really felt like we kind of... As not we personally, but as a school board, you kind of held all the cards in a way and felt like maybe... I know that they didn't vote on it until they came back in August, but maybe could have worked potentially a better deal by asking better questions or... I don't know. Things like just trying to get more information, get it reformed and really not make the split-second decisions that I sometimes feel that the board needs to take more time on. That's the other thing, issue that I feel the board has. I feel like they're not taking enough time on important subjects to vote on, and I feel like they vote on them when they need a little bit more time to really think about it, investigate, do research. Thank you very much. Thanks. Anything else, Justin? Can I have what you've done? Again, a little thank you. Certainly, we appreciate you taking the time to come in. Okay, sir. Listening to me. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Have a good evening. Good evening. You're welcome. You can stay for the whole year. Thanks. My husband's out to help us out. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. All right, so seeing no other public comments. Unless anyone around the table has any public comments. No. My move ahead is Katrina. She wants to do reports and communications here. I have one thing. You'll see it in your signature sheets. I just printed it so it doesn't have a tab on the sign, but we got another $5,000 towards Lynch Hill from CDRCC today. Okay, I did see that when we had it. It was a debt of contract. Yeah, so it was Cheryl turned in all the paperwork because it's done. And he said, I see you did another section above what I pointed out. Well, I can add it on. And that was Lynch Hill again? Yeah. Nice. And we also were able to get more money for Lubbers Plainman, is that correct? Nice. Yes, welcome. I want to add also one other thing, was I just printed another grant for hopefully windows at the town hall since the new one is beautiful and works. We just did seven. So there's eight main ones on the front and the size, the big, big ones. So I just turned that grant in and we should hear back about that by the end of the year. That's it. I think those were getting, I think this came up before. Something about the historic preservation. When they're historically cracked windows. Okay. And they rebuild the cells so it's not like a, I mean, yes, they're plastic and energy efficient, but they're cracked in every way. Okay. Love-wise. Okay. Rachel? I didn't know anything. Kelly? Yes. So I went to the class four road presentation the last Monday night. So we got to look at some of the work on luncheon, which is awesome. They've done all the way up to the first camp. You can basically drive the car up there. And they talked about all the different ways that you can, all the different things that you can do to the road to make changes, to reduce the phosphorus coming down. There's a little water down. Sometimes it may not take as much as you think it does. Wow. So who put that presentation on? It was your... CVRCP. Okay. And they must have someone's technical there, if you don't know all this advice, or was there an engineer or something? It was St. God's problem. It's DMS. And I can't tell you what that stands for. Yeah. It was better road... What is it? Right. Better road practices. Yeah. It's the standard they went by. Yes. Unfortunately. No. Nothing. Was it some communication? Well, it didn't. No? Okay. And there were people, what, 10 people there? Yeah. He said he expected 10 to 15. Yeah. Let's talk about it for a minute. A couple people from different towns came that didn't take advantage of the grant money, that wanted to see how we used it. And we're pretty impressed. I also said that the hill was like the Cadillac of Fixism. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's beautiful. Dan was supposed to send the after picture, or before pictures. I actually have some after pictures, but yeah, it's very nice. So is there like a couple of sentence explanation of what they did there? To the road? Yeah. Went through. They did all... They dug out the ditches, hydro-seeded, laid stone in the corner where it loops around right before the hill, the first hill. They laid gravel all the way up to first... Some places they had to build a road up because of the ledge, so they couldn't dig ditches. Yep. They had to build it up. They still have water bars in there? Not really. They have water bars. There's a couple, yeah. There's some runouts. There's a couple spots where there's like mini water bars. I think they were going to go back up and put... deeper water bars in. That would be my biggest concern because without those water bars you have to redirect the water or else everything will wash out and it'll be down the bottom of the hill. A lot of it was stuff. They did different slopes at different places for the water to run. I really didn't mean to take a look at it, but just... They have like a handheld level that they can just put down and it gives you all the slopes. Yeah. So they don't walk too long back. So, great. To be a hero, but you can't be here. For a year. What do you expect? Both there is no sign at the bottom of the hill anymore. Yeah. It's taken... No sign was there for like two days and someone stole the brand new sign. Really? Yeah. The road sign? The windshield sign, yeah. Yep. Jason, what about yourself? Yes. I looked into something. It was prompted by the draft change to the personnel policy that you did. And I wasn't quite sure what you meant by the change in it. I wanted to clarify that, but I figured I should look into what other towns do regardless. Which personnel? Which draft? This is the part about changing what we do for retirees. Oh, okay. So can you explain what that's meant to do before I... Yep. What Cheryl and I proposed was it was adding retired employee health insurance benefit to the personnel policy. Right. So it was employees 65 years of age and have worked for the town of Moortown for at least 15 years or reduced hours... or can reduce hours to part-time and still be eligible for the same insurance benefits as active full-time employees. Okay. So it's not asking for anything if they're not working? Mm-hmm. Does that mean that the town would be paying or that the benefits are available? The benefits are available. Employees would still pay the same as what they pay when they're full-time. Mm-hmm. Now, that starts getting tricky because once... as in the complicated, because once an employee turns 65, they are Medicare eligible. Mm-hmm. And it's a different insurance program. Mm-hmm. So this isn't something that VLCT does, I don't think. Mm-hmm. They didn't refer me to some plans that AARP offers. Have you already looked into what the insurance would be because it would be different from what our employees have? We're asking for it to be the same. Yeah, and it can't be because the employee is Medicare eligible. But they don't have to accept Medicare because it costs more than what it would cost them here. It's better coverage here. I don't think that's true. No, I don't think so either. I think that they are obligated. If they work full-time, then they don't have to take Medicare. Is my understanding? And afterwards, I don't think, in other situations, I don't think there's a choice. And then the question is what is there in the way of the Medicare wrap policy? What to handle if Medicare does not? So the coverage ends up being the same. Yeah. And that's what these AARP plans, for example, do when there are numbers. But it's a completely different insurance regime than what employees have. Okay. So I think that's good information. I think what we need to do because that's a lot of it's kind of getting into that area where we need to spend a lot of time on. Yes. I'm just saying I called BLCT. Here's what they told me. Well, he was looking into it for the cost aspect of it. Yeah. I think that's good because we have budgets coming right up. And this is something that we want to put to bench one way or another this year. So two more sentences. What they told me is they don't track this, but from their knowledge, small towns in general do not do this and large towns in general do. Yeah. Like South Burlington. I found that, yeah. And towns on our scale generally do not. Uh-huh. And that's really all I found out so far. All right. So maybe with that information between them. Yeah, I'll go back and see what you can come up with. Okay. Go with that. And now Jason for the public comment. No, that's it. That's it for reports. In many cases for reports. All right. I have a few different things. First, um, I started with Sylvie Sherrill. Love this. Actually came to Sherrill land, but from Michelle's Safran. They're having their open mic and they want to know if they can run a, um, a banner that says woman like Friday, seven or nine. It's about two feet high. It's going to stretch between the two columns. So waterproof type with grommets. It's humble. We need to make sure it's not damaging anything. So I don't know if you can pass that on. So I talked to Corey this afternoon after that and it would start, I think it's next weekend. So they'd like to hang it up for the week before each month. And so I told her that you guys may want to look at it after the first time it's home. Yeah. That's a good idea. So did she describe how it would be home for you? It's just a tire or tires. It's ropes around the top of the column. And the column is square. So it would hang on that lift right there. So it would be attached to it at all. No or tires. You're tired. I am. So one of the other things in, again, Katrina worked on this for us. It was the nominations for the municipal service awards for both Sheryl and Sasha. It was actually only Sheryl and for being elected official. Okay. So other things that I have, we've got a call from Ray Mundt and he wants to cut some trees we'd like to have. I've said that either you and John but should go up Martin as well. And he thinks it might be in the town right away but he just wants to make sure that he can do it in his trees. Okay. He spoke to me also about it for a couple of minutes and you might want to talk to him because he was, if I understood it correctly, he wanted to take down some trees and restore a storm wall. So, you might want to design it. Yeah. Yeah. He said the trees were on top of the storm walls. He just wanted to cut the trees but I don't know what he's going to resurrect the storm wall. So he's not expecting the town to cut the trees but he's just... No. He wants people to come up there and just check with them and making sure everyone's happy with what he would like to do. His wife just passed away, didn't she? Yes, she did. In addition, I also have heard from people on old Route 100 with the construction that's going on. Mary Lou Duke. We were doing ditches and it's on 100-dean ore I'm talking about. Yeah. And also the other people at the end what the heck are they names? But anyways, I've had Martin to go back just to kind of talk with them and make sure they understand why we're doing it. And he had reached out to them prior. So it wasn't a huge surprise. So he communicated, I think, early with them to let them know but I think anyone that sees all the ditching that's being done it's such a difference than what they had. Were the hunters there? Yes. Yeah. Linda. Yeah, and they were all very nice but they were all they just wanted to have been told that. Yep. The ditches sometimes will cause that in people. Yeah. What's the requirement for ditching there? Part of that wise. Or wise indeed. Basically, the water gets out of your road somewhere and you know you want water in the road if you can help it. And it's been I think Martin said around 10 to 12 years since any work had been done there. And so there was a lot of junk trees and all that grows in the ditch that people like and they kind of use those as their burial grounds. You know that makes them feel safe but when they take when you take that out it you know exposes things and they can see the ditches now. So it really actually one of us slowed it down but but frankly as they say it frightens them because now you can see how big they are but I know a lot of it we need to understand it too as the new state standards that were used and to your point is to get the water off the road probably out of the ditches. So I think it's it's ending well there but there was a little bit of unrest for a while just because of the scope of the work. But I think the guys were doing a good job and I think they had it slowed down a little bit and we addressed that as well. And we are at 6.30 so we'll right about we'll come back and do them minutes when John gets here but we've got Eric here. How you doing Eric? Derek? How are you doing? I'm good. How are you doing? Yeah. Hey Eric, How are you doing? How are you? How are you doing? Callie, Callie. Oh, sorry. Callie's good. And J-Z, Eric Dipper. How are you doing? He's Katrina. Yes. Yeah he'sbirds. So Eric's here for our annual report from the Mad River Recreation District. The Mad River Valley Recreation District is, as you all know, a municipal organization, chartered in 1994 by the three towns, Weitzfield, Faisten, Warren, and, I guess, going past a year ago, there was interest in purchasing Mad River Park, issued regarding funding with soccer fields, lacrosse fields are purchased from Kingsbury. There's huge effort to raise the funds necessary and obtain a grant from the National Park Service Water and Soil Conservation Grant, I forget the name of it, but about a year ago, the park was purchased and is owned by the Mad River Valley Recreation District. Moretown participates financially and has a voting member on issues relating to the Mad River Park. Though more general issues not relating to the Mad River Park, Moretown is not a voting member, so to speak. With respect to the park, I think it is the only, quite sure that it is the only property, piece of real property that is owned by the Recreation District. You guys know that they have a lot of involvement in issuing grants to smaller organizations, the Path Association, the Mad River Valley Riders, Bike Club, and, you know, one outfit or another for different purposes. But, you know, I'm the representative, had been for the last, close to a year, and a few issues have arisen. With respect to the park, you know, there are sports fields, and all the concerns that you'd expect to arise with respect to maintaining and owning open land for the purpose of recreation fields have arisen. Obviously, they want to maintain the quality of the turf. There's been purchased many pounds of grass seed and mulch of compost, which has been applied. They've aerated. They arranged for the mowing. I think one of the Kingsbury's may contract to do the mowing. So, there's a lot of effort taking place to improve and maintain the quality of the recreation fields. Obviously, water is a big issue, and this summer it was a huge issue. A lack of for quite a while with the heat. It's very, very well drained. And so, the grass nearly burnt. But, you know, in the past couple of weeks with the rains, we've rebounded, and I think things are going okay. A big issue arose last autumn, and the Wadesfield representative, a gentleman by the name of Michael Nucci, is a Wadesfield representative to the district, and he's also the head of the committee regarding the Mad River Park. He's done a huge amount of work on a volunteer basis to get permits for different things and take care of the fields. He also coaches. He lives right there. He's a huge effort. But he took it upon himself. I think the Listers in Wadesfield wanted, you know, summoned him to a meeting at which they explained that, you know, the question basis for the tax exempt status of the park. And they felt that, like the Cobbles Club property in Wadesfield, there would need to be a town-like vote. And I won't go into the details. You may well be familiar with it, but for certain charitable organizations that own property for public purposes, there needs to be a town-like vote on their tax exemption. We took a close look at it, and with huge effort, and we included, persuaded the state property valuation and review and the Wadesfield Listers that the Mad River Valley Recreation District is a municipal organization that owns a piece of property for public purposes. Its property is exempt from taxation. There is no town-like vote needed. And, you know, there's a real concern on the part of the board. And in any event, we succeeded in establishing with the affirmation of the property valuation review, as I mentioned, the statutory basis for the exemption. And so that's a relief. Unfortunately, thank you on that. That sounds like it was a huge undertaking. Well, it was a lot of money. It's a work. And I was retained to help the district at not, you know, not a pro bono basis to articulate the statutory basis for the creation of the Mad River Valley District. That's what the statutes have to say about inter-unicipal union districts. You know, obviously, well, you may know about the Wadooski Valley Recreation District, which owns many properties throughout the Chittenden County area, which are exempt. And so why this would be treated differently? There's no reason. It's just who knows why. The town of Wadesfield listed this term. We're looking at the prospect of imposing a property tax on the million dollars. Well, anyway. So, and then when the grand list was actually available for review, the abstract, they did not list all of the exempt properties. And so there was still some concern. We had a grievance hearing just on abundance of caution and to be sure that, you know, that they were on the grand list going to be confirming the exempt tax. So, I mean, it's kind of unfortunate. And I argue this process that should not have been necessary to begin with, but in any of that. And then, you know, issues have arisen with respect to the use of the parking area. As you may know, they created a large parking area to try to divert the parking from the Mad River Park. Commercials over to this new parking area. And people have parked there, left, you know, left their things in the, you know, some of the neighbors are concerned about that. An issue has arisen recently about the soccer and lacrosse families driving on the Mad River Park driveway. We are not a member of the Mad River Association that serves that common driveway serving the, you know, where... Clearwater filtration is in there.  The natural weight company, Veralox or whatever it is. So anyway, so we're working through some issues with respect to the use of that common driveway, which, you know, not being part of the association, we're trying to get soccer players and their families not to use that driveway. And they want the association has asked to be listed as a named insured on the district's insurance policy. Fear being that, you know, somehow they're going to be liable for an accident if a kid runs out for a soccer ball or something. We're working through that issue. Working through an issue. There's a private company recording studio, right, adjacent to the fields. And he wants to negotiate a license to host a music event. So we're working through that and trying to reach agreement that would be a year from now. I'm not sure. Let's see. We've improved the fields, long seed, aerated. We're working on trying to site a source for water. And maybe pricing out or getting bids for, well, you know, we anticipate every year we're going to run into this problem where if it's hot and dry for a little while, we're going to... Did they have that problem prior to this? They had that problem and it is exceeding well-drained. I mean, so it just doesn't hold moisture. And then the grass dies and weeds crop up. Which, you know, has been the way it's been, right? But we like to have good quality fields to, you know, at least be on par with the kind of standards made by other, you know, we have hosting soccer tournaments, lacrosse tournaments, things like that. It's safer not to be part-time. My son plays there all year round. It's one of the better fields he does play on. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the grass didn't die, but everywhere it died for a while. How...at participation, I remember they were anticipating more activity there. Has that continued to grow? Well, there's lacrosse leases fields in the spring. The soccer, leases the fields for fall soccer, you know, I think otherwise people may sort of run on an hot basis. I think there might be a crew of people at one of the businesses in the association who play ultimate there. I was going to say, midday. Midday. So, you know, but, you know, there has now been constructed and soon to be sort of commemorated pavilion. And storage, you know, permits were issued, obtained an issue for storage, pavilion, kiosk that sort of coincided with the Mad River path being extended to their recreation fields. And so there's a kiosk, obviously the parking lot, stormwater issues. So, you know, as far as more people are using it for field sports, I don't think it's necessarily any more active than it has been. But, they were trying to do more tournaments and activities like that to bring more people into town. I just hadn't noticed that. Well, there's a lot of, you know, there are different things going on with different groups, trying to of course generate more traffic in the valley. The Mad River bikers, I don't know, the path association, you know, they've constructed and installed trailhead markers at different paths around the valley. This is done by the recreation district, including at the Mad River Park.  But, you know, there is some hope that the sugar works, is that what it's called? Sugar House Sound Works. The guy who owns the recording studio, I mean, it's unbelievable, it's state of the art recording studio. It just happens to be right there in the valley of this guy who came from Boston, Texas. Eric gives me, but he wants to post this annual event, honestly, in part as a fundraiser for the Mad River Park. And in part as a, you know, just a community event. But he knows what he's doing as far as promoting and producing an event like this.  It didn't work out, so we're looking to next year. But if it, you know, I mean, there's a concern, obviously, the park is, or the district is concerned about liability, wanting to protect itself in all ways from any kinds of liability. So that's an issue of indemnification. You know, it may be that others, I think there was a feeler put out by some other approaching the district. You know, I think the group that may ultimately have ended up in Sherbrooke North, the Sparking Lot or wherever it was. Friendly gathering. Friendly gathering. I'm not sure it's suitable for the right, you know, mainly.  And, you know, it's a public use recreation owned by a municipal corporation, unlike the Waterbury Ice Center, which is a separate entity and for which they had to have a boat. So anyway, if our pitch to maintain our exemption is fully public use, we've got to be careful about for what, you know, the purposes for which we might license a nice part. Now, $1,500 bucks from the town of Hortown. I don't, for the very same reason, I don't think you should have, should need a W-9. We don't pay anybody without a W-9. Even like people like the appropriations. How about the town of Duxbury, if Duxbury does something. We have one for the town of Pilly right there. For shares, services, okay. Because it's obviously, it's a tax ID number for the payee. But it's also primary purpose is for tax withholding. It should be known for withholding because we're municipality. You still need one. Have you tried it? Oh, that comes from Cheryl. She's just. I'm just relaying. So the treasurer says that. What I was saying is, even the people that we give donations to that we vote on every year for a town meeting, we still get a W-9 from that too.   Okay, I've used up my time. Is there anything you want to know about the district of the park? That was a good presentation. Do you guys get minutes from the Valley District? I thought I saw that the last email sending out the minutes from our July meeting may have included more town officials. No. I don't think they do. No, I don't see any. Do you want? That would be great. I mean, the Manor River Valley Recreation District has had its own website, whatever.org. But I think they are in the process of taking that down and just using a Facebook site as their official site. But we have the same obligations to post minutes, agenda, etc. And so there is, there has been, it's in transition, but there has been, you go on their site and you can read all about what they do and what the business they've attended to. What do you mean? Yeah, Katrina, if you could do Eric our email or something on that service list, would that be good to get it? Or every time I get them, I'll just forward it to you. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, do that. That's great. She can send them to us. Yeah, that would be better. And so. Would you personally, would you like to walk out the door? Yeah.  I don't know. Eleven months out of the year. Nice. I'll forward those minutes. If you'd like me to appear here to report more than once a year, let me know. We'll do that. If you'd like me to summarize something for the report, I shouldn't have mentioned that. Because I'm the one that goes there. So you can mention it right in front of me. That would be excellent. That would be just the town. Yeah. Yeah, just a little more. Should we be standing here for 1900? Should people? Yeah. The Manor Valley Planning District is also an inter-municipal district created by the three based in Watesville. And you may have read in the Valley News, or the Valley Report, the idea that the planning district is, is with some involvement by the Central Monterey Regional Planning Committee, they're thinking about a local option tax, one percent tax on sale of the city. So in part to raise money to be permanent financing for the Manor Park. But I would hold people. Obviously, Montelier, Burlington, you know, other towns have a local option tax. So we in the district are wondering why we couldn't just do that. Because people go on to pay them 200 percent. Think of the drug on the more general story.  Yeah, I don't know to what extent, whether to select board. As a participant with effective park at least, you know, has direct kind of communication with the other three Valley towns. Right. But I don't rely on this kind of information. I'll report on the doings of the district, but, you know, obviously you guys were solicited to participate. And thank you for your participation there. One quick question. Part of the pitch was that additional revenues were anticipated to help bring down the maintenance costs. And it says like this tax issue may be affecting them. Well, I don't think, I mean, that is just in its infant stages. I mean, actually, what's his name? A select board member from Warren. Maybe the chair of the Warren select board whose name. He's not cutting me out. Anyway, he attended our district's most recent monthly meeting on the 21st of August. And it was maybe a day or two after an article had been, or the week following this article in the Valley reporter about, you know, local option tax idea. And so he made a pitch, I think, you know, in the whole of that. The district, for its part, would be, you know, blended voice to that. You know, and that's just something to observe and follow. But I don't think that, I don't, I think that's a very kind of recent idea. And I think I would bet that. That's not what we were told during the pinching part of this. It was more additional than what we used to try outside parties. And so, you know, I think there's a hope that we will be able to do that. I guess I wasn't fully aware of that when I was. Yeah, you're going to attend a little bit later. Yeah. So, but, you know, we're going to hope to see if we can have this music festival, you know, with the proviso that we are, this is, not only are we bound under the terms of our grant to use this for recreation field purposes. So renting it out to, you know, soccer attorneys or lacrosse attorneys or ultimate or whatever, that would cover our costs, yes. But, you know, it's got to be done in a way that we're not putting at risk our status as a public entity. And that we're not exposing ourselves to undue liability for, like, people drinking beer or music concerts or whatever. And then also the issue of parking and driving and circulation. Working with the parking services or the business owners association.   They have Kingsbury's field. And that probably means a lot of work. So what are the things for you to leave, Eric? Are you going to be able to make next week's meeting? We have invited planning commission subdivision regulations.  You know, it was input. So I hope you can make it. I hope so. All right, it's in my calendar. All right. I thought it was this Thursday and then I had to check. Next Monday. Six o'clock. Yeah, good. Yeah, we could get it done here. Thanks. Yeah, that sign on the more town, town hall. Yeah. So we'll be expecting an application. Jamie said it was fine. You definitely be here next week. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Yeah. So I'm going to move it ahead if everyone's all set. You know, I would like to wait for John for the quotes for the listed business. And so maybe, why don't we do the town hall chair and table right now? So I think since our last meeting, I've had like five people call me and ask if they could borrow tables and chairs because there's nowhere in the valley to rent them anymore. There's because when you sense an event is close. So I don't, my personal feelings, I don't think we should just give them out. If they get ruined and we don't have any money to recruit them. So I made an agreement if you guys want to do it. I went and looked at all the different places that do rent them. We got like the average prices of what they rent them for. So most places rent eight foot tables for $10 each. And chairs are based on, they don't have obviously the same chairs for about three hours piece. And there would be a $150 deposit, which is the same deposit you have to put down when you rent the town hall itself. It's almost the same contract is a little shorter than the town hall rental. So we have an amount of two people, Sherilyn and Cheryl, okay, or Cheryl, okay, that said that they would make a donation and we didn't really get anything. So it was two hours of my time on the weekend being there to unload and, you know, to be there for themselves. Yeah, that's unacceptable. Exactly. It's like I said, I think if we just, because there's no rent, I mean, we can start letting them out, and we'll use them and the wear and tear on them. So the replacement, you know, to the replacing costs for tables $100 for a chair is $120. Okay, so then why is the charge for a chair so much less than the charge for a table? Because nobody, because the chairs are a lot sturdier than the tables for one. They can go through a lot more. And like I said, I would do all the other rental places throughout Vermont. And that's if we charge them up, see them after they're going to rent anything. And what's the chances that they're going to ruin a chair and a table? It's mostly more time. I mean, it's been more time lessons. They haven't gone far. Hopefully for a table less than $110 for a chair less than $130. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Any comments on this? So who will be, will it be you? Will it be Emily? Yes. Sharon and I will play for you the time. I'm calling out the money. Yeah. Yeah. Any kind of revenue help? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. And there are, I'm sure there's always cases where, you know, we may let this wavy, wave the fee, but let's wait till those come up. Yeah. You know, but like anything, let's try to do it. We had one rental last week that you guys have said that we were waiving the fee for more time residents. So Sharon, Sharon signed up on it because it was in between. It was a, it was a funeral, not a funeral. You know what I mean? Wait. Thank you. Something. But they did great.  It was awfully unfair. To do it myself. Yeah. What, how are you dealing with scheduling, say the possible need to tables and chairs in the town hall? Well, it means that yeah, we have to obviously tell there's money that they're available and they're not, you know. But we have, there's not any of that things as every chair and table. And there's a lot of chairs and tables in there. And move the table and chair and the agreement. Second. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Go ahead. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Welcome. We have a lot of people who have been together. And do you know what Martin's going to be coming in? He said he was. So long as I talk to him. You know, well why don't we just go ahead and start looking at the potential list for who can we. So great job, thank you. It's been a while since the dog down in the yes. Oh. Oh, thank you. You both did. It was, I don't know if it was today. They had two, but I think, it's against, it's against right? It's against right down? Thank you. Yeah. So you have copies of some of our members stuff. The key number is to go with what you're looking at today. Because we obviously already have a current contract with member. So when you're looking at that, our current contract price is $8,190. Here it is. Second. $8,190 is our current contract with member. So the difference is $2,625. $2,625. Yeah. So just to be clear, this includes the work that they do now for the $8,190. This is not an additional one. No, no, no, that's already the contract we have. And to be clear, to this only, this does not include renewing tax maps. That's a separate contract in itself. So this is every agree appraisals, all of that stuff. So it's between on the front page and going out. So it added more time in office administration, that line. It added just more hours there. Okay. You know, Cheryl didn't break it down from the line by line. Okay. And it added more on the cloud service is new. That part is new. I don't believe so. I think he's in the cloud. Something to do with that. Of course, the setup that I've left. New, but that's. Yeah. So do you want this, the new agreement, or one of these? I got the lowdown from Cheryl in, because I don't know, it's way more about this than I do. And this is everything that the listeners are required to do is on this agreement, which is what she asked the quote to be. And then I also have the numbers for you, of what the listeners we paid, the listeners for the last seven years. Anticipated on this quote. Would you, um, yeah, if you just copy and give this to everyone? Oh, sure. Please. You said we are currently paid 8,000. That's all the work that they do. Do we? Not both. You know what would be helpful if we had a copy of that contract as well? Of the contracts that includes that 8,000. Okay. I can't beat you that tonight. Right. I understand that. But that way we can kind of pick the difference. Yeah. Because the hours, to us, this wouldn't mean a lot. Right. Anything to go with what they're actually doing. Yeah. And then we need to sit down, I think with the listeners, we'll sit down and decide what we need to do. We'll do that quickly, I think, but kind of marry the two together. Mm-hmm. It is best. And just to be clear, they are estimating the new hours that they need to spend part of what the investors probably do. So, just so you see, I did an average including this year, but then I took this year out and did a second average. That's what all those numbers are. Very helpful. Thank you. This year. Was that on? Yeah. So I took it out. Yep. Okay. I was thinking 3,500. Yeah. Pretty close. I've been helping with that since the last one. Yes. Yes. Okay. So the average was 44. That was including this year. This year, okay. Yeah. So without tax maps, 30 and 94. Mm-hmm. So the tricky part is being able to tell if this amount of money would cover the same amount of work that the investors do for 3,900. According to Shirley, yes. But I can get, like I said, you have new contracts. You can win it for yourself. Because we're not the only town that never does this for. Right. If the worker requires more work, then the additional work would be at $75 an hour. Mm-hmm. I would assume so. So... Yeah. I think... Mm-hmm. Depending on the specific estimates. Yes. And then we also need to make, you know, do some social thinking about what level of... I guess... Do we want from our investors? You know, do we... Really? You know, is it... You know, as Mike said, and they were talking about kind of quasi what we've got going on now. Mm-hmm. More of that or... Mm-hmm. Totally no list or so. Yeah. So I think there's a lot to think about in this decision. My first thought, and it's by no means a considered look at it yet, my first thought is we would still want listers to review the work and sign off. Yeah, I agree there. Certainly, I think in statutes, you need to sign off on the list. Yeah, great. And to me, that makes more sense to simply discontinue the listers and say, okay, they'll just go do their thing. Right. Because we need that...  So I think that's why, and just with the analytics, it's kind of taken at $3,800 in that $261. Trying to figure out where that work is coming from and what we can save with the listers, but also what we can have these guys do with his, you know, maybe more efficient and might save us money in the long run because of that. One thought I have, too, was going forward, if those two stop being listers, are you going to get anyone as qualified as the people you already have? I mean, the one out here we've got, we're already assigned. I'm alone again. That's another thing. You might not have people that are willing to do it anymore. That's a good question. Yeah. Another is, since the board discussed adding dimensions to the tax maps, be very aware that that's something that has to be maintained and it's something that will make errors when we're parent, which is good for them. But the outcome of that will be more lister time to maintain and maintain those numbers. They're always, should be maintaining all things of those tax maps, but you think that those dimensions are really large. Yes. I'm not sure everything's so awesome. One of the reasons for that is simply that it's more in your face. People will see all the numbers. Yeah. That's a good thing. We'll need to more add to your tax maps. The consequence though is, yes, we've got more competition. But that's almost one of the reasons why we do want it here. It will create it, but it's for that transparency for people that understand their boundaries. My only objection to that was only the price, because to me it's something that they can do by flipping a switch. I think we could do that. Well, I haven't heard back, but I'm sure you know what I mean. Minutes or months or something, but it was actually 4,000. 3,000. That'll give you 3,000. So we need a better deal. I think we'll do it just that way. Which I don't even know how that happened. It was even in my written notes, 4,000. So is there any other comments or questions on this? Also we can, we have a lot of what to do to look at this, but this is something that we need to make a decision on my budget because we, you know, I don't want to get into the amazing of the officials. So, think about that. Actually, I will see an effect on the budget if we kept listeners to do sign off. We'll probably have to get the same total number. Yeah, good problem. You know, possibly it could be great to get into that. I'm not a very estimate. And at the second, as you pointed out, it's 7,500 an hour, so I believe. But just, I would like that as a timeline to get it done by that. We'll use that for an excuse or something because we have to just sort of get it done. All right. Why don't we go ahead and approval of the 8, 20, 20, 18 minutes? I'll make the motion to approve the minutes of 8, 20. Any second on that? Again. Yeah. Any further discussion? All in favor of a aye? Aye. Aye. All right. Pomefarm retaining law. Why don't we, again, because I believe for John, let's look and see what else we have here to go through. I just want to take one move forward. One thing is, he has a parcel of property on students' report, 14th to 10th students' report. He's looking to donate the property to us. That's what we want the land. He can give it to us for free. I'm looking forward to our reply. Do we know how much the tax is on? I'm tired already. $672,000 for the taxes. How many parcels are there? 1.9 acres. Which was adjusted from 0.45 when the new tax maps came out. Would see just again, sorry. Yeah. It's 14, 10, Steven's book wrote. All right. We know we're 14, 10, Steven's book wrote us. He's just a piece of land, but I don't know what area it's on. I don't know for sure. Is it Green? We have a possible place to park your vehicles. That was the old life thing. What's the map? Someone off the town. Is it property for the old man? A couple acres. I don't know what it is. So what we need to find out what it is. Because half gravel on it, they'll take it. Right? I guess on a subscription like that, John would be a good person to ask this, but this is a town in the past that we take a piece of property with it. We have, we have a, I'm trying to think where that was. I guess it's right here. That's right. But I think it might be, I know what it is. It's not worth anything. We can look at a picture of it though. It's 17. That would be a good reason to have it. Another location. We sell the property. But if it was, I would think this guy would sell it. It makes me wonder why wouldn't he just sell it? Why don't we look, sure, if you could find out exactly what it is. 14. It's right on the Duxbury line. It's closer to Route 100 on Duxbury than it is down to 100B. I'm trying to see how far it is from Route 100. Yeah, when I have more time, I could take a look at some of that. It's in a white line. Yeah, it's 0.7 miles off of Route 100 down to Stevensbrook. What does that mean basically? It addresses Duxbury. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost one and a half miles up. This way, if that's the way it can. That's pretty close to the sound line. Maybe you can turn around or something like that. Yeah, pretty good one there right now. Yeah.  I don't know. Well, we can get into that. I don't know. We have questions for them. Are you guys familiar? Did you see the EBS through them? Great. It was there, the rotating wall. It's over here on the only farm road. Martin, a little bit share. Originally here, there's a proposal for a retaining wall. But I also was talking to Dave Green and he said you mentioned and he originally mentioned a guard rail. Right. I've had talks with Dave as well regarding this and it originally approached me as would we put guard rail up? I said I didn't know if we would and then he was concerned. I guess the big concern is the new or the owner of the building will be living there now and he's concerned about traffic potentially crashing into the house and it is very close to the road. So I told him I said there's a couple different options there. I really wouldn't necessarily like to see guard rail there. There's really no need for other than to protect the house. So he said he would get a hold of his the front and the owner had a friend with an engineer. So he came back with that fairly elaborate wall structure. So I just kind of in casual meeting with him at the gas station down here one night just told him I said in the end it's strictly about safety then possibly guard rail would be the best bet to go with in the end. And of course it comes and it's not just safety. It's also I guess putting the windows in and had to install the window that I would have broken by rock. He said that's not a common occurrence but it's happened over the years so let's go through the window and why not. So I've gotten no issues as far as really trying to protect the house. I mean I can understand where they're coming from from a safety standpoint. At this point the only thing I would be concerned about is a new TCD code you know a wall. You have to have several things to keep from being impaled by projectiles and what not and I'm not sure if that wall would qualify under those guidelines. So possibly in the end guard rail from a safety standpoint would meet the new TCD but would not help them out on their protecting the glass so possibly he still needs it. Right and that might be because he wants to put the screens or something over his windows. So I'm more than willing to work with him and come up with a solution I'm just not sure what that solution is going to be. This house is I don't know it's always been there. Anybody have written this? Not. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure if they're doing a rearrangement and they said some of the possible bedroom there or something. So I think it was that was a little bit warmer. As far as I know nothing's ever no vehicles have ever got off the road and struck it. So that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened or that it could have. Is that a location where planting something could help? Possibly. I mean even some shrubbery might you know if it had a chance to get a majority off it would be some sort of a hedge. It's really close to the road. I recommend you take a look at it and seeing that it's very close to the road. So anything they do for protection is going to be automatically in the right way. Any work that they do. I've been by there enough. I can just see right. It is in a precarious position with an understanding that it would turn somewhere. Would you say it's close to the road and we're friendly to this house? Because I think that's very close to the road. Probably a little bit closer, not by the law. I don't think that would make me a little bit nervous is that it's a little bit of a corner not a sharp corner but it is a little bit more of a corner. But yeah, it's similar to I would say it's a little bit closer than... I think that makes a difference to me on that one if you were coming from this direction is not it's coming from the other direction coming down that hill if it was super slippery and you locked up the brakes and it would probably carry you right into the do we have any money for guard reality? We don't budget for it. Usually it's part of a project thing. We don't currently have any rail kicking around or anything that we could install but it's not do you know how much that would be? Not terribly expensive I would say I would dare guess but I could certainly get a quote on a 20 to 30 foot quote and see what they came up with but I think I initially look into that and then we should look into this wall. I'm concerned about the for the acronym the traffic control it's a standard thing and that's the only thing that I'm concerned about is whether the town would be adopting some liability and that's why I'm almost worried if you go with a guard rail right. You do see all the other stuff I included in that? That's part of it as well because if you read Cheryl brought me up to it and I remember reading a lot in the newspaper about the back of the city and that's sometimes more less expensive to do something guard rail or put in a hedge behind it to protect their glass and that way it also takes us out of that liability that someone came and asked for protection that we didn't give. I can certainly get a quote on that and see what it would be when he first approached me it was kind of along the same lines I was looking at but maybe a wall you know maybe it goes away it didn't go away so we're following up on it now it's they're putting it between those little right exactly so I think to in this particular instance simplifying it would be best the walls fine as far as I can see at least on the road work standard it's just like if I'd be concerned about it and then whether we adopt allowing that structure in the right way yes it's allowing them, it's allowing them to sound like it's right exactly is there anything grant eligible about guard rail in that structure? um nothing that I've seen I mean usually if we do guard rail it's tied to a grant project that we've done but I've never done just guard rail itself other than a few you know the back side of the con and stuff I mean any way to write it up is a safety improvement? yeah I don't know that's just not even something that anyone that should just send us have a bunch of different ones yeah and that's awesome yeah I mean just I would say under a thousand dollars would be my guess for guard rail oh really? yeah I don't think it would be I think the trip charge would be as much as the rail itself just to get them here well anything we've done in the past has been pretty much used rail which is completely adequate if you look into that if it's under a thousand dollars we definitely wouldn't want to have that as a firm number I'd want to make some but that would be my guess what else you would want yeah to some extent I guess I did have a conversation with Mary with Ladoop there and I think we're on the same page there at the farm our member came to five at work down there two days in a row he saw me and didn't come to make any contact we talked with Rodney today sharing some of the same concerns and which is Rodney told him that we hope we weren't done that a lot to finish the work and then if there's complaints or concerns we're still there I think it's just the shock value is still there it's very different so there's I've heard from a few different people the south entrance is a little overwhelming I mean it makes it look like we've done major ditching and whatnot but in actuality that so if you turn into the south entrance the left hand side of that road that ravine was always there it just was covered with grassy debris and stuff so same thing with on the right when you get down where it floods out they were fairly steep in vain for 15 feet or so and Barb and Mary Lou were like well did you guys make that or is it always been there it's always been there it's just been buried under cat bush and brushy debris so it's there and it will grow back to that it's just a little overwhelming when you take away the foliage you know everyone is there I understand their concerns but I would like to say I agree with you guys on the next challenge you got to get the culvert to the bottom correct yes like our concerns are the culverts are deep and along the flat at least we're not setting that depth the depth is set by the culverts that are there you know in place we're not we've changed a few culverts but we haven't gone any deeper with them so obviously we have to ditch to that culvert one time or another that ditch was that deep at one point it's just it's filled in and it's already opened it back up it looks overwhelming so just continue to try to work with them we can keep the keep the open dialogue and you know very hopeful to get wrapped up down there and get out of there on two different projects heard nice things about the Blitz Hill you guys did came out great really happy with that did you talk to Dan today I did via email you did with someone yeah I see that with that yeah with them so you know we'll be doing a culvert install and see we better move the escalator out and do that culvert up there it's at the Y with Flynn Road there's a beaver pond there and it's been historically washes out every spring and traps the residents on the other side so I think in a lot the last three years we've been up there every spring to they bring the culvert in they brought the culvert in yes we brought the culvert up there yeah are you mentioning this there was that yes gallery yes got it on my I think it's just something we'll take and it looks like from the picture it just looks like there's a little firm behind that so it could yeah it's been from a safety standpoint I have no idea why it was really ever installed I don't know why it's really not needed it's been in that condition forever so it really yeah I mean it could just come out and be perfectly fine so then we have we'll be going we'll be jumping around a little bit but we've got work up on house row of four corners with the comm house row of dead felmins we're ditched there to do with some work in front of car models as long as you're talking about deep ditching I have a question about that area because that gets really muddy by that whole four corners five corners area north end of Hathaway road common road can anything there be ditched deeper to stop that or to reduce that yes you're talking more on Hathaway that and also that section that gets to the four corners from Hathaway yeah that's a tough one because of the house because of Eric's house right there maybe nothing we could do on that side of the road the other side of the road the water is pretty much trapped there there's no culvert or anything it's basically a retention bomb the water has to evaporate you notice in the spring it's usually a pulse rower it has to evaporate because you can't send over the car wash problem really which I've already reached out to Carl in regards to Deb's issue because there's really no place to send that water either so we're kind of working on some sort of solution to alleviate that without turning it from Deb's problem into Carl's problem yep and the end of Hathaway road there yeah is there anything that's definitely on the list I don't want to say they don't get done this year they're probably home but yeah that whole flat from down below your place all the way up through the ditches need to be redone and the road what's really I think the biggest issue there is just lack of material there's really no material we're into the bigger nuggets like the two and a half inch that's more base material that's more sensitive to ditching correct yes yes so yeah it's definitely on the list my driveway yeah ditching rabble anything else Carl? nice I don't know we're already way over budget but it's sitting out in the clouds brought it for inspection and it needs all new ball joints in the front and after they do that I have to be realigned and 2011 so that's probably not a really cheap repair the dollars amount on that yeah I mean that's one of those tools I figured it would probably be come on worth trying to get another year out of it line deciding it would cost more but it was worth trying to keep that but had it pick up before we didn't have much to go with that that's been used in the future when you're looking to replace that you might want to think about something a little bit bigger different setup speaking of which just to think about at some point we should have a conversation about capital needs to start making your list what's important what is it any other questions for us we're supposed to look at well look at Raymond some trees up there with Raymond at some point unless they're different I've probably looked at them already but maybe we're on this kind of wall yeah that rock wall did you talk to about a year ago yeah that's what I meant and I told you I may be looking for I think that's a danger no I don't think no I think if we don't work in that area maybe we can get them down but I don't know why is that sitting there probably is I think he was going to do it all himself yeah just wanted to talk to a couple people to make sure we were on all sides Jason said that he mentioned that he was looking to repair the wall or do something he's looking to get it aesthetically more defined and whatnot there I think you wanted to talk I didn't understand this part but I think you wanted to talk to you about whether the road needed to shift it all to do that I didn't quite follow that it's probably just in just going off a past dialogue that I've had with him probably concerned because the road has kind of encroached towards the wall so he's probably just looking to get it shaped back up where it needs to be off this wall that's why I was wondering why he really wanted to look at a tree gotta be something else there which I understood I wrote to him that his wall he didn't want that either he didn't want to say that I guess I guess we had a tired fiasco this weekend and we've done a bunch of tires I think it's been cleaned up what I've been told so someone threw up and did it yeah, the state police were involved so they've got them but they're cleaned up now and they're looking at it and saying oh Greg you're cleaning up 30 tires it was a good size file it was probably half way up up the hill up the little hill yeah not in the hill but around like if you were doing the whole loop where they have the little circle spot someone got to sell them like that the people that used to throw stuff did they check for the sun that's lost they're not that bright especially in the middle of the day when people are going up the road and you get seen doing it it's weird it's like everybody that drives that look they all love it because they like to be outdoors loved it and as you're doing it during the beer can and I was like you're in the beer can it's crazy you know they don't put the two things together yeah and they just continue to abuse it and that's possible I'm glad that they figured that out I guess they did so good shape on that pretty obviously get going on budget season here a little concern about my budget it's a little bit high for the same time I think in past years well that'll be offset by some of the grants and what not so like chloride things like that are going to be over they pick up your hours are under yeah our hours are good that's been working out really well actually I think it's worked out great to have stuff on that it's kept the hour of your time down so a little bit this last pay period just with the workload with people on vacation and what not trying to get stuff finished up for that one channel meeting I want to say that's the first time you've had over time this summer though I think so we'll keep that up and I'd like to break you on your budget get carpet and break yeah alright well that's a lot of work we're going to wait well John thank you for taking time to come down tonight sorry everybody lost so what we've got tonight John just to give you a panel we have some of the obvious stuff Eric came in there was a nice report on the recreation district I think we've changed our good notes so a little bit of that stuff for you a list of work so one of the things that you'll see in the packet over there is the quote you should see for the notes for the list of work and there's also here's a copy of what the salary what we've been paying the average in the last 8 years here this right here this figure includes this year which was a little unusual because of the map so this is about all the map work and this 2600 that's the difference of Network's old contract and what their new contract would be so this 10,000 whatever it is here their old contract is going to get a copy of it is around 800 so that's the difference there and so they were looking for additional 2600 dollars to do if you will that's being done so potential savings there that's one of the things that we've talked about they want to have the blisters as a base in the town for someone to talk to and to take the calls so we didn't take any actions at all just basically depth information we'll wait for a little bit more and then we'll get into a little bit more about that going far retaining wall we just finished up Martin looking into parallel for us on that Katrina put a nice count ball, a chair, a table rental agreement which I think is going to pile as well and we accepted that and the new third Martin so that's been moving so far I think about the only thing that we have to do is we can look at the invoices here public arena and then we'll go into the second session to discuss the town administrator replacement business and of course in what's this other business John and I have one piece of new business from the finance community and the very short version is we have a lot of money sitting in an extremely low building town waiting for select board action we're getting something like 0.05% or something like that so we can fix that very easily Shirley was nice enough to look at what's available out there a reasonable sample of what's available this would have to be split up the person would be looking for it at the ANC insurance but an example would be there's a 12-month no-county CD where you can pull the funds out at any time that is 1.25% and also anything that we can identify as a no-brainer is sitting around for nine months that's been 2% so interest rates are at a point where now there's a significant difference between the plant savings account and taking a better deal so what John and I wanted to ask is for the select board to give permission to the finance committee to we're meeting them tomorrow to do something better than something with no risk that is appreciably better than the savings account we have now as long as there's no risk I don't see anything how much money are you talking about that depends on the cash flow where children's is available but I mean the bottom line is that just for regular savings in our general fund 1.25% is what Northville Savings Bank is paying on savings as opposed to 1.5% 0.5% 0.5% essentially what you have to do is ask and community bank actually can then their CD rates like 90 80 CD is 0.76% I mean and that's real money so if you can come up with a motion John or Jason it's probably better I guess I would make the motion to move 500,000 into the 911 CD that's paying 2% and the rest of it into the savings account or maybe more I was thinking of leaving that to the finance committee tomorrow finance committee can't can't make that decision but that has to be the solution okay so we cannot allow the finance committee to make that decision can we do a motion to allow the finance committee to make that decision based on certain parameters what I'm concerned about is at this point we don't know the free cash flow we need to have Cheryl involved in saying how much alright we're we can do that yeah yeah yeah I would feel more comfortable that way so we'll move 500,000 yeah also I mean we also have the balance of it there's no reason why to make it up to a million yeah make it up to a million I guess or we can at least get it into savings at the 1.25% I think that's where in that motion where you would allow yourself that flexibility up to a million dollars with the are you generally moving from one way to the other well that's the first thing that we have to do yeah you're going from community that's correct can we go entirely to one bank or do we have wait a minute to you're right we would have to we would have to split it up so I believe I think it's 200,000 what is Cheryl on saying it might even be as much as 500 because there are other tricks too because you have different accounts sometimes you know Cheryl would know but the point of the motion would be that we would keep an FDIC insured which I think keeps it out of the market account I like that keeping an FDIC insured right okay I should back up because I think the first motion is to move our money to Northfield Savings Bank okay I mean we can set up different accounts within Northfield Savings Bank okay I think we want to move it to other FDIC insured accounts right and that may be Northfield Savings Bank or several banks okay isn't it all in community bank now it's all in community bank so I can't move it all to one other bank I don't see any reason why you can't because my understanding is that the FDIC insurance has to do with the accounts themselves so I think all the accounts can be within the same bank so how else we work now we have one general fund account and that community that doesn't yeah that's it there's one account for the savings reserve and everything else I mean they like some accounts but it's still just one account then we are not fully FDIC insured right now as well as getting 0.05% no I believe we are I believe we are yeah I'm not sure I know we are okay right but many of them don't have much money yeah okay so so so I mean then my motion then actually would be that we move the money out of community bank into Northfield Savings Bank and or or or and any other banks that are going to give us better rates that's as simple as that as long as everything is up to date that's it that's it that's it I'll second that alright any further discussion alright alright and you move instead of saying move money we move child funds yeah alright well that sounds like you guys are already doing a good job of getting at least a point maybe more very good anything else? no alright so let's do now I just wanted to make sure Cali filled everybody in on the and was Cheryl here earlier? no she's not here this week okay so anyway so you do fill them in on the stormwater master plan I'm not because I wasn't at the last minute okay okay okay then I mean I did bring that stuff I can just send out an email if you want yeah alright we identify we identify the five most important projects and they're all right right here you know I mean basically yeah but the storm drains the the town hall doing some more work there to keep the water out of the basement whatever has to be done there and the parking lot here so pretty much it's all those things right in the village but the most important and and yeah so that's that and then the financial committee and then today's meeting so today's meeting with Waterbury ambulance what they are asking for more time is a per capital charge of $19 we're paying I believe $36 and 20 cents to my billionaire now so what we're talking about and the chair of ducksburg select board was there as well and they also don't pay waterbury anything and their their assessment is let's see so 1,325 is their population we're not sure in the more town they think it's around 300 that are served by waterbury ambulance now and so the thinking was that if we can expand the waterbury ambulance area we could save one over home we're paying one failure and maybe even break but even at $19 for 300 people I think it makes sense so I guess we'll have to talk with Cheryl in order to see if we can nail down you know what the numbers are in the more town and we're currently paying $32 for that $36 Mark Poguate who's the head of director thought it was $36.20 is there any sort of analysis of response time to different parts of the more town from waterbury so no I mean that certainly we would have to take that into consideration so so how do you proceed on that well basically today's meeting was just to you know get the numbers out there and then going back and figuring our budget pretty much so I think we kind of have to work on that and I would say just be talking more with them on issues like response time so I have to initiate some big conversations with waterbury I mean as well you're going to start from that do we have any sort of service level view until you're now oh yeah we pay does that have numbers for expecting response time or it's not that detailed I don't know at one time we have to look at that it's been a while since it has been looked at so they're talking about taking over local areas too not at all what they want to do is they want to charge us number one they want to charge us for their services they already are and then the discussion continued that if they should have said it became larger they're running they're running a deficit right now so the whole idea is $19 per capita between Ducksbury and us would make up for that deficit in the whole at $54,700 for this year's budget so and that doesn't include dispatch services either some I mean and that's most of the other we'll be in but having a new it's getting bigger yeah that's true so that's probably the reason why they don't have an established number can you give it thank you maybe the next meeting we have to put 15 minutes so that we can review that now it's going to put them both together I guess that's it even busy so we have a few things to sign and this so you guys know I'm signing the commission agreement giving us the additional $5,000 talk to that and then she'll allow oh right yes that's another additional alright yeah lucky to have him wait right this looks like a certificate of project completion for the Vermont municipal bond for the town of large looks like an insurance let's just something someone I don't know if it was our road crew or contractor did mowing of ditches and did a really wonderful job I just wanted to comment on that I saw hiding here for how the fear feels I don't know we ran one week with a driver the first pass was the driver the second pass was the road crew okay two different types of mowing very well done that's where I noticed that they did a good job look it is the year we get a professional and done so is that he already quit before he started he doesn't have time we rescheduled seven times and then he said he doesn't have time happened so quick is there any other business business business alright I move to the executive session to discuss the town administrator of business I'll figure it out alright bye so I'm going to lock the door


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