character and stuff If you don't have clear motivations, I mean it's it's getting to the point where you It's very difficult to build a character at all This was actually something that I think was a little bit of a problem in phase one with like so you got Iron man to the point where one of his repulsors comes off his helmet's off And uh, he's on what like two percent power.  We understand very much He's in dire sickness as a cap and winter soldier. Yes.  You're like Thor's kind of just He can he can like get like mud on him and he can look tired But it's like I got fat and he can be stabbed And it's like ah And you sort of just like what I don't really know what any of that means I don't even know what if he has a healing factor. You know what I mean like Thor is in the same awkward category as like one woman. It's like you can take a lot of damage But bullets seem to maybe potentially I think I think Yeah He's bulletproof, but he can be stabbed. Yeah.  So it could be as guardian And Loki is super strong too. Yeah, maybe he's and because we know that we know that like Hulk and Her Thor big time this came up in the suicide squad There is a difference a meaningful difference between being shot and being stabbed that you can have Stuff defend you from bullets, but not necessarily knives depending on what it is Get as good night bullets shoot him with as a guardian Or as well that we've already got dragon scale as a new material now So I wonder what that does to Thor.   Yeah, and then like why couldn't you just make that happen? I mean with all the other stuff the rings do how come you couldn't do xyz I I just don't see there's no through line because if if if you if you give someone a jet pack, right? That's a very understandable grounded Way to give someone something powerful that you could relate to like, okay I know what their capabilities are rocketeer, right? I don't the rocketeer do I he could fly around he could move places that he that allows him a lot of That you know utility and you know plot stuff he could do because of that Well, I'm always gonna Go for it No, I finish it finish your point because mine might actually not be as related as I thought Well, I'm pretty much just saying that when it comes to the rings, you know, you never You never know what he can do You don't really know what he can't do And I don't think writers can keep track of the things that he's already done and reincorporating them Because once he does something once he's got that shield once he's got that Sword once he's got that thing he could do if he ever doesn't use that when he needs to Then unless he's under extreme duress or incredible some reason why he doesn't use it then that's an issue It's a two-fold problem. The two-fold problem is what you've just said there where it's like if he doesn't use it again Then there's a problem, but also just Give me dammit I have an inconvenient timing The second issue. Oh my god, don't tell me that it slipped away that it's gone. No, don't tell me that It was you sneezed away. You sneezed out of thought you sneezed your thoughts away on quick. It hasn't landed yet. No collect The second thought was and I got it. That's all right. It's oh boy. That's good. I could hear you going Yeah, it's back in there The the second thought was if you have no limitations Then it's basically impossible for people to have expectations that they can reasonably It's it's hard to know what's going to happen And a lot of just storytelling is setting up expectations whether or not they get paid off Yeah, there's no suspense. There's no suspense because you can't anticipate what might happen. That's exactly what I was feeling in the theater I was just bored. I'm like I have no I have no like mental frame with which to evaluate What We need limitations. We need some kind of limitations One of the best mcu fights to represent this would be the civil war end the end of civil war fight where Every capacity all three characters have are used to their maximum essentially um, and the limitations of iron man suit Extremely important in that scene as well And so if someone said to you bucky and capped versus iron man in a complicated environment that gives them cover as well as opportunities to Triple his suit like all right. All right. Let's see how this unfolds because I understand if I said Shang-Chi is going to fight his dad who has 10 rings in a thousand years of experience. I feel like he loses Well, here's the problem. No, but no, but when his dad attacks he rolls a d20 and if he critically fails the rings defect So that's what I mean if knowing that technically you do because that happened in the uh, when he fought the woman in the opening So it's just like um, yeah, by the way, he could lose if his weapons defect, I guess I like that d20 example because one of the things I really like about pathfinder second edition is the way that it deals with critical successes and failures Typically in a lot of role playing stuff Uh dnd and pathfinder first edition if you roll a one it's a critical fail if you roll a 20, it's a critical success Now there's a five percent chance of either of those things happening And that means that no matter under the normal rules No matter how skilled you are No matter how unskilled you are you have the exact chain exact same chance For incredible success or incredible failure And what pathfinder second edition does is that instead of just one in 20 and it's done that's critical or uh fail failure success Um, you have to roll at least 10 over the target number for a critical success or 10 under For a critical fail Which means that the more you practice the more you train the better you are Statistically at doing something the less likely it is and potentially not even possible to fail But the less likely it is for you to fail and the more likely it is for you to succeed Which is more accurate to reality. I feel well that begs the question Why does why does when we fail so often then he said a thousand years of toppling governments and you know Being sorry. I've never fought shang chi before and he's just that good Well, the shang chi was trained by his mother's sister to use wind to beat wind. Yeah That's like that's like the most explanation we get and it's just I'm just saying like that doesn't It's not anything Uh, it's it was upsetting to see michelle. Yo. Yeah Yo, it's like you're so good. Why are you here?  Yeah Um, but yeah, what you just said about the d20 and stuff for accident. That was a mark twain quote, right? It is yes mark twain He used to play so he played the prototype of d&d which was like a strategy war games That were used with armies and things In that yeah, we owe we owe tabletop role playing games to mark twain. That's very true pretty cool Pretty cool legacy. No, yeah, didn't didn't mark twain, right? Um, fu man shu. Yes Probably his most famous work actually Everything goes by the way mark twain, but by the way just just to be clear. We're not talking about just crit critical hits for weapons I said critical fails and critical successes Which are different than the range of critical hits on weapons or potentially abilities As you probably all know, yeah, as you probably all know This I just want to clarify that in the chat because some people were saying Just yeah, what the hell are you talking about?  Well earlier he said you could make a punch or even bigger punch Like what a punch or an even bigger punch is like, what are we?  Yeah And the idea that we said punches of different of How many rings are you going to utilize for this punch? You know what? Maybe that's the thing you don't want to overextend yourself by using too many rings So it part of there's a manabar as well Like the ring Recharging well, let's see it's over you hurt yourself knowing the appropriate level of force to use for a given scenario Having the reason a to recharge would be a great actually. I think that would be I'm learning Well, just there's a bar level It's like a manabar and a power bar and it needs to recharge like we can make the lights go down On each ring as you're depleting them, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a clear visual wise for you to identify I'm in a bit of trouble here. I need to slow it down regards to what we're saying about the use of the rings It could that could be a really great payoff in an avengers movie where he's never used all 10 And he knows he can't but there's this big, you know enemy that That's your boss. That's yeah, that's right. 10 is too difficult to wield 10 rings It's do you better that that's very likely one hand. It's like careful. Yeah The last thing you incredible power The last thing you ever do you better make it count And that's cracked for audiences because for us we would be complaining like why why is it the like they charge and recharge They're magical like how does that work?  Yeah, he's using all 10 rings for this one. Oh, like that. Oh my god That's because I wonder what the payoff was in this film where they're just like, ah, he's still all 10 rings off his dad Ah He did it Okay, here's a here's a question.  Anyone takes the rings off him. Yeah And that's the thing if you want to be like Like these are evil alien rings. We got it. I gotta get them off you. I'm not an evil alien myself, of course No, no, not me The evil thing because like I thought that's why like really that shoggie was able to take them off his dad Because his dad's like kind of evil the rings may be like we don't like being evil.  The rings want to like possess him to go release a cthulhu monster That was the wall. So the problem is the film says that but apparently no, it was just the interdimensional The dragon that was telling it literally Then why does the film say that the ring I see wearing the ring You are correct.  What what do you Well, and that's something I've just now thought about as well as because they use their air bending magic from that dimension To control the rings. Do the rings have any relationship at all to this other dimension? Yeah, because if they fell from a comet, right? Or whatever, we don't we don't know anything about the rings. He just has them. He's like, oh Years ago, he had them in the opening. She says that they were found in a crater But I guess I can mean anything I guess what I'm saying is like for perspective if somebody did jujitsu or something would that make the rings controlled by them Probably not. So like Yeah, why have to have a relationship with this air bending tribe Or maybe maybe the little makes sense in the sequel I'm sure we've said that many times where it'll make sense later. It doesn't it never does No, if it made that that's what I was talking about with like the first 30 frames It's like if there was a cohesive vision and there were like, you know, there was a really good style That was putting all this together. It would already make sense. You wouldn't need to wait for it to make sense You know, the only time I think I was ever right about that accidentally in terms of things getting better was I think I've told you before frame just the Phase two was annoying me because I was like, we've done way too much collateral damage now for it to not be addressed And then civil war was like we're addressing the collateral down. I was like, oh my god Yes, I'm doing it Imagine and since shang chi has never trained with them before they also seem to work based on instinct.  They seem to work on instinct um, I mean There's no other like I mean that that's the conclusion you have to drop that's just because it's really badly written There's no other way to explain the things that you see at this point. I'm like, there is no conclusion to draw It is purely in the we don't know category Is it like you get the rings and then like the ring uploads like a pdf to your head that explains how to use it only only if you can Instinctually open pdf files Maybe for maybe maybe you're incompatible of your software. You need to update to you know, like Wasn't on windows 11 He yet no, but he has one he has the bloodline So he like when the driver gets passed down from father to son. So he's got the driver That explains it He might be an old os and then shang chi is the new one is the son so he can open zips by default But the entire files have to be downloaded individually by when wu so he's still unlocking his potential Over a thousand years still Unzipping I mean, I mean when wu has a thousand years of development history and you know shang chi is like this new thing It's probably got bugs Like more things like windows vc. Yeah Yeah, it's like I mean, I mean the bend we're looking at the benchmarks right here and it seems like shang chi is just uh Coming out on top and the men's years to be 3080 ti If it's like, you know a willpowery thing Then I just like okay Because I guess the rings it just didn't matter that he had them for this long on knew what they were the dad It's like I guess shang chi's just gonna beat him because he has more investment I think it's just like I just can't what you what you tell me Is the case and what I see and what I can believe or just they're just in two different worlds at this point Nothing seems to follow from anything Yeah, like I can't see any power that the father has with the rings that Shang chi isn't just gonna have at the beginning of the next movie Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna start with him pogo hopping and then like he's gonna Blow something up or whatever and he's gonna make a big, you know, spinny ring wall It's gonna stop of It's just all the same shit's gonna happen And it's not gonna be any no training sequence no explanation of how it works His achievements are pretty up there right like the dragon He obliterated. It's like an alternate dimension demon soul sucker.  Yeah, you just didn't She was so insistent That's the thing.  Okay. This is too dangerous for you I'm sorry, but she says no I'm coming in the apartment It's funny to me because you know if I was going to go on some kind of play trip and someone was like I'm coming with you. It's like I'm just not going to tell you where and what I'm doing That's it. You're screwed once, you know, once you get into the taxi. I'm just going to jump out and run away Better yet she goes home. Then you get into a taxi and she doesn't get in with you and that's that He just walks he just walks to the door and she's like, where are you going? He's like, by the way My name's not Sean and just cut Never see her again I find it. I actually find it really I don't want to cut I want I want the scene of him running down the streets like running away from her try to lose it It's an action It's not an action scene. It's entirely diagetic We just have it is action and that there's action But like I want the sound design to be entirely authentic of just him like go away Leave me alone. Well, he thinks he's lost against the taxi and then the camera pans new faces in the window like where are you going, Sean? Yeah, and then he's like start screaming It would be inappropriate to have like a crazy taxi sequence where he's trying to get to the airport Imagine he's on the plane in the seat and the camera pans through a window She's there Yeah There you go. We made a really great comedy now And then she can get the rigs because clearly she is like an insidimensional being if she has the most willpower Yes, and then she would be really let down because she went through all this effort to get on the plane They don't even have a vegetable a vegetarian Don't have to worry about that. Well, she's got real power Annoy him knows no bounds. She's the ultimate power in the universe The same problem is black widow where the main character isn't really making the decisions in the movie Give him some damn agency.  Yeah Give me somebody to do yeah, I'm just bored of my these characters just not making the decisions I want them to make the decisions. I want them to be proactive like You in favor of these other Characters who need because again Yelena has a lot more agency than uh than that because she's the important one now Um, I mean if you want to have a passive protagonist to be here a movie that really works It would just be a it had to be a very different movie Yeah It's difficult to nail but it's just like yeah, I just don't really have much Investment in a character that's just like, where do I go next? Who do I punch? I'm like, yeah I feel like the the easy way to do it would be to if you wanted to have a superhero thing where it's passive I don't know. I have a superhero on his day off who just wants to chill out and do stuff Who just keeps getting embroiled in these crazy scenarios and every time he tries to leave it just gets Worst even frozone Even when frozone was at home.  He needed the suit. He needed to know where it was. Tell me where it is I'm not a passive character Yeah, I I am actively interested in the great of good Yeah, maybe there's an interesting area to explore but that's not what they're uh, no, that's not what they're getting at They're just stringing them along. They're like, oh, look you're the hero. We need you to be the hero So I don't know what's doing basically the difference.    She just knows that he didn't turn back up.   He's just like stunned Because you know at first he doesn't know how to how to deal with it. And what I'm saying is just like it's it's much more um informed Uh reactions to everything and points of view you can even Understand how he became the person he was she on the other hand like I just feel like she's ignoring loads of information to be a dick Why I I okay. I was so confused. I I thought when she was giving that whole speech about like Someone not coming back. I thought she was talking about Wang Wu She's talking about Shang-Chi. Yes Wait, what was her motivation for running away from your dad?    That's so dumb Because we need conflict. Yeah, she literally even if she conflicts feels if she was a normal human being And then like she sees oh to be fair.  She's like no Okay, but I'm going to remain indignant in any case Which is why I like that you were not extreme stress is key things like this that um Also make the difference between someone like a Tony and I can't remember her name by the way Okay, so okay, so like the Wang Wu or whatever sends the postcard Giving the idea that it's his sister so he goes goes to find his sister But then how does his sister know that he's coming? Oh, it's just badly written So that there is to that whole aspects Like what's what I don't think she was brought up in an environment that fosters empathy to be fair She's a human being Like but she has empathy. So what's her problem? So did her parents she was for a long time.  Look at how he turned out.     But then she takes over the 10 rings that's against him Well, she said because she's I guess she's they want to go like, ah, see she's kind of oh anti-hero. It's like, um, okay Sure Then why did she save the aquafina? Um, because I don't know. She's a good person except nah, she's maybe an anti-hero I don't know. I couldn't tell you. This isn't even we're thinking about we'll find out All it is is watch the next movie Watch the next one because that's what marvel is at the moment You don't care about what's happening in this movie. You were just hyped and anticipated for what's next There's always the next I'm just shocked to that like the level of confused I was when I walked out of the theater is like less confused than I am now well And interestingly to me I was going to say um the The whole like empathy thing. I was like, I'm not even necessarily talking about that like Curiosity just being like where were you? Where did you go? What happened? Yeah? Yeah, what happened? There must have been a reason Yeah, and if it was I just abandoned you because I don't like you guys be like, oh, okay That's it then what's kind of interesting right because the film says she doesn't even need closure But it's like but she's so mad at him clearly. She doesn't Problem here.  I built this empire on my own. Look at you. You you're a valet and that's that's something Give her scorpion's weapon is really cool No, yeah She yeah, and she trained herself how to use that of course she did Remember she started by clever 16 In a skyscraper that's under construction. Why did you add somebody weird variable? And there's like it was like a rafters made of bamboo Well, apparently that is what that is Apparently yeah, but again people have insisted that that is the case. Well, so yeah Addressing on an e-fab if we haven't already so like that came up when we were talking about it And like I think I said like I have no idea if that's a floor or not And then we read out in chat some people say nope, that's normal.  They were furious that that was brought up as a floor And I was like it was literally counted in the same episode minutes later. It's like what do you want and not to mention Um, there was some people saying that yes, it's used But they they're surprised that it would be used at that level of a skyscraper because Yeah, like this is I mean bamboo is very useful undoubtedly, but it's what 30 stories up skyscraper construction with a Extremely professional construction company that has to build these to extremely rigorous standards. Yeah, you would expect steel You wouldn't expect bamboo and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to fit to But but the thing is is that I'm seeing these pictures of some very tall buildings with bamboo scaffolding What I'm arguing is it's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask. Oh, I I mean, I asked it. Yeah, I uh Meaning it's perfectly reasonable Honestly, that wasn't even The bamboo wasn't even like top 10 things that annoyed me the most about that. No, of course No, I mean the most was that they didn't they have this really cool like fight club And they just don't even use it to go fight out on some rafters in the dark where you can't see anything It's like why I just don't get it. We need this crazy set piece like of of them fighting on a On the side of a skyscraper And it's like just just imagine him giving orders When we were giving orders to subordinates, it's like, okay I need you to go attack my son to steal his mother's necklace Okay, now when you do this make sure that you attack him in the area where you're most likely to get hurt Just like maximize that like ideally if you could get him in a two-part bus that you immediately cut in half Like that would that would be perfect because then then then we maximize the chance that you personally get hurt When you could attack him literally anywhere else like, okay But yes bamboo is apparently viable. It's just that um It seems strange It does Then beforehand Wanda or dr. Strange or bucky got their forearms on these things You assume the rings would work for those characters in ways that are unique to their individual fighting style But the best part I was saying that there is one type of way that the rings work Which is the way that when we was using them that it does all those I mean shang chi does a lot of the same stuff when we do this. I don't know Yeah, exactly But then again like why I don't know what these things are limited to I don't know Yeah, I have no clue. I that's the thing. I have no clue Part about the 10 rings Interrupt the flow of the fight. They enhance whatever the user is already good at Well choreographed kung fu gets elevated to the level where it can No, like kung fu just gets changed into completely magical bullshit Like the idea that you're doing a normal fight and then you add the rings and it enhances it Like well, no now it changes into weird like slam the ground and yeah, cuz Kung fu does not account for magical ring. It is not kung fu anymore or something else Yeah, well, it's just like if I add a gun it makes kung fu even more enhanced They're like, well, no now you're shooting a gun like this is a completely different thing I don't know why you're bringing this up. It doesn't make you faster Or um punches hit. Well, it would make the punches hit harder theoretically, but You know they use the rings to punch the ground or to fire at people uses a whip like what does that go to do with kung fu? How how would the rings augment hawkeye's fighting style? No idea puts the ring on a bow and arrow and fires it and shoots it The core of what makes the fight work is still intact the core of what this is very ambiguous It's yeah, it's like these this floaty language that I don't know what I don't know What your words are connecting to in the real world and what they mean the core of the fight is intact There you go, I fixed a few Oh, okay Of what makes the fight work is still intact And they lend themselves to some absolutely killer fits who rolls up sleeves on a suit to their forearms Someone whose forearms do you mean fights? Did he mean fights or does he mean they fit well? Maybe but they don't fit well. They really quite lose some I don't know. Well, they change size. They definitely change.  Yeah, or I mean, I don't I've never seen it without bracelets that a magical Otherwise you look really lame I guess Also, apparently that's it for the rigs. I guess he can't really say anything else to be fair But uh, that's one of the so because that's reason one why Wenwu is the best marvel villain And I just feel like most of the marvel villains have more understandable, uh weaponry at their disposal That um is still I don't know versatile, I guess That's tough to pull off if you don't have the weapons on your wrist to back it up Second reason Wenwu rules he's in it for kind of the right reasons Wenwu really had it all.  Is he gonna say? because In it for the right reasons it's like, do you mean he's morally right or do you mean that it's consistent with what he values? Because I mean and I don't know how this wouldn't apply to a lot of mcu villains. So, you know, that seems like it That seems like a normative claim, but sure. Let's see what you surely he should be um Not only saying why Wenwu's good, but why he's better than the rest as well, right? Yeah Establish if this is called why he's the best villain Well, he already backwalked that He already said why he's maybe the best villain. He like immediately Even if you lame, but if you said that still you have to just like make the argument, right? Yeah At all he was a conqueror with a vast army and a bunch of vague weapon trafficking organizations apparently And he gave it all up 100 percent for his family a lot of times in a story Why would you have to give that up for the why would you why do you need to give all that up for your family? I mean, that's the choice he made. I don't know. I don't remember them telling us exactly where It's on the ruler of the like the world or whatever and I have a family I wouldn't be like, okay guys. I love you so much. I'm gonna give this all up and they'll and so they'll be like But don't you have like 612,000 bajillion enemies at this point?   He's gonna show up one day because I lost a bet on the Jets game and kill you It is interesting about because how he kept it his family probably would have been fine because he would have just had Loads of security, right? All right.  It's like, what does that mean? What do you mean? Yeah, why would you do it? So it's a world before google like just imagine how much like He wasn't just a member of the aristocracy.   Oh, well, I guess I'm gonna put the back on after the universe I guess I'll just have these 1200 concubines or whatever. I'll find another woman who loves me I remember this is like if you loved me, why would you make me choose this? Like, I don't know. It's one of those choices She loved him. Why would she introduce him to her family? Wait, did she do that? No, she wouldn't let him that's what I was talking about earlier.   I don't know.  Yeah, what of interest that's now that's some compartmentalization I'll I'll I'll uh, I'll marry you and have your kids But I'm gonna give Our kids these very important necklaces and I'm just not gonna tell you what they do She marries him. Did she tell the kids what they did? No No, yeah, she did. How was how she did it? Oh, that's right. She did because there was that scene at the beginning Yeah, she did Um She married him specifically because of his like kingdom and power and influence. He's like I gave it all up, babe. She's like Oh, so what are you?  There's unlike he I was thinking about it mechanically You can give up the rings you can put them in a box, I guess But how do you give up your empire? Like what does that entail exactly who who takes over or does it get dissolved? And if not like it keeps going and at that point surely you just want to keep the rings they make you Immune to being assassinated or at least you want to protect your family with that, right? Yeah, I mean a lot of people buy guns to protect their families if they need to use it Like why would you give up the ring? You have made a lot of enemies in this world A lot of people want to kill you. Can you give up the rings and stay immortal? How are you still alive?  He was never like Yeah, when we went from conqueror to actually no, I don't want to conquer until his wife died and he was like, okay I'll get back to conquering It's not the same Doesn't stray. He isn't secretly using the rings. No one confronts him and says Damn rings.  I But um fine. I don't know it was skipping for me. I just want to play this again And says it's us or those damn rings It isn't until Lee is killed and he believes his family is destroyed that when we but also, um Do do we know why does the family make him do that choice? Why why that choice? What's bad about the rings? I'm not sure Is it just totally like they just made it up? It's also weird because it gives him immortality. Maybe he just didn't want that anymore. I don't know We've all seen the movie. Do you remember motivation and specific stuff for that because I don't I don't remember Every every time I thought about a character's motivation in the movie. It just made me more confused Yeah, all of them like actually all of them I got nothing but that Who goes He doesn't want to when will believes he needs to and listen if No, I haven't I haven't seen the film. But is that true? He doesn't want to but he needs to In relation to the rings Going back into his old life of I thought it was that he was specifically looking for who killed his wife Yeah, I thought I thought it was like a vengeful thing.  He knows he doesn't want to when will believes he needs to That isn't that isn't a life that he knew he didn't know the life of training his son to be a super assassin to go seek vengeance There's no indication. He's had that life before his previous life was like knocking over governments Which presumably he's not doing anymore Yeah, again, like I'm very lost. It's completely different And we don't even know that he redid because you know, like he regained continues his pathway from 20 Is it 2000? It's early 2000s that his wife was killed presumably, right? Yeah, some like that. It was 10 years ago. So we're supposed to believe that for 10 years He's continued like the 10 rings domination of the world and shadowyness or whatever. It's just like again, no Well, there's no there's no indication of it. No Like he has With all of the world events. Did he not care about any of the like many times? Yeah, did he get snapped a good question? I mean, he just he just seems to have enough of an entourage to take out about like a fourth of a club. That's like the extent of influence Yeah, he's simultaneously enormous and tiny Because he needs to be tiny because that's literally as far as his reach actually spreads But he also needs to be really intimidating. So totally it's all over the world. Really trust me Yeah And listen when makes this move It's easy to dismiss him But Wenwu is literally an old school conqueror. I completely understand why he thinks this is the right thing to do But unlike it seemed in the initial trailers Wenwu does not want Shang Chi back because he wants an heir to his empire Wenwu is completely driven by his desire to reunite their family by rescuing their mother And the really and it gets a little bit cartoonish when he sees the demons coming out of the wall and he continues bashing it Demons sucking souls, dude The demons i'm coming wife I want to save you from the demons.  Is that him trying to reunite his family? Is that him trying to free a Cthulhu monster? It's not well So they would tell us that it's can the Cthulhu monsters convinced him that the wife is behind that wall Yeah, but that's not him trying to reunite his family is it? Yeah, I think I think you could argue that's what he's doing in the movie He's like I want the wife back and we can I guess be a family again.  It's believable Like this is the best is what you said It's not it's one of the least believable like romances. I think I've ever seen Yeah, I would I would probably put that forward you got Invader trying to brute force his way into a civilization and a protector of that civilization And they fight and she defeats him and they fall in love. You're like, oh, I'm sorry that end bit They didn't make much sense And then she and then she acknowledges that he's like a genocidal threat But defects and like runs away with him Yep Because it's believable It's it's not like in my opinion. This was the worst thing about the movie their relationship was just horrendous Because you saying that because like everything rests on this No, it's just because I'm personally fixated on character relationships and everything about this is just so wrong Just so the opposite of they put it so much effort. They like fight and she like smiles at em. He smiles back Yeah, oh god Remember when Zorro fights, uh, I forget my name Elena Captain Zeta Jones and the stables That was nice.  I don't know Oh, I don't know. I honestly don't know Or maybe she just does have a little hut and she goes fishing every once in a while to stay alive. I don't know I was I was wondering like if she like could shower or she has a dirty butthole or things like that the important things Let's live in the woods just all this may dad were happy together If the opening scene did not sell the idea that lee is able to stop wenwu's tracks That she is the only one for him and I don't think wenwu's wait. Whoa No, so that would mean that he needs to destroy her when I was like, she's the only one that could stop him Therefore love you're like what hang on.  I should do love you luke. You're just great His first his first motivation we're interested in Or we're introduced to the thing that's made most explicit is that all he cares about is power Therefore he falls in love with the only person who can stop him Apparently men like a strong woman, you know That's that Uh, yeah Hey, you know, it's believable Relentless pursuit of You lee would work But we see some genuine chemistry between wenwu and luke genuine chemistry.  Yeah, alchemy This is the only shitty chemistry from this from the local shop, you know I feel like every time you put a word or something, you know, like genuine something or Like you should always You should always think as opposed to and then maybe that word will come across as somewhat weird and redundant Why is wenwu dressed as gordon ramsey? It's raw. What's the matter with you? She looks so interested Yeah, she looks she is very invest. I can tell by your face. She's just That helps Began's trope that wenwu might be right and he could reunite with his long lost life Did anyone did anyone think for even a second that it was possible that he was going to find his wife There's no like no The the um the conflict in like wander vision being built entirely on what are unfortunately very few scenes that wander and vision have is still like Whoa, what i'm getting out with that is just like that that's something that people think is really um moving And it's just not built on a lot of scenes. This is like Everything and it's built on one scene where they sort of battle and you're like, oh they're in love.  I'm just in you're like, what is he doing?  I love he says that like it's just a really meaningful bit of writing as opposed to just like why how what?   Why not just you know, you can't lose by having a fantastic question.   What are you? Hmm, what are you? What do you mean?  No Sort of like an occupation. It's not a Like like what what's been behind the mask? What are what what do you mean? What was there to be careful about? They're saying like oh being a plague doctor. That's like an occupation.  So you can be you could have ways of life, but like what like what's behind the mask, you know Why what are you canonically? Well, I'm curious because you always have the mask on And I'm just curious what maybe there's a reason for that you're you're like, are you an alien? Are you a australian?  Yeah, what's going on? Like uh, look, what what is it? What do you got going on? You know back there? What what's are you from this world? Are you from somewhere else? I I don't Like I am what do you what do you mean? Like what kind of question you ask in okay? If you if you went and you had to like fill out some paperwork Uh to get health insurance. What would you put as your species species? Yeah, like what are you? Not in terms like job, you know or nationality, but like what what is fringy? What's beneath the mask? What what does he see when he wakes up? I don't know. I maybe wear it to sleep.  It's just wet. Yeah It's just the mask is on like and the time it's this month. He's still the zombie virus that he's gonna have to hopefully solve I'm a zombie. That's right. Yeah I suppose that's fair enough. Yeah, canonically Fringy is a human being But the mask is always on That's fair enough to nitpick not unlike my podcast mostly nitpicking You kind of figure at some point and they're at least that was a that was a promo for the podcast wasn't The one that is very popular Well, we definitely um not promo I've definitely heard of mostly nitpicking before because I think he promotes it in its videos Which again, that's totally normal, but yeah, I'm just not there's a weird Like I'm not I'm not doing this to be mean. I literally don't understand. It's like it is weird that there's just barely any Passover from his audience to um mostly nitpicking it's a It is an active youtube channel. Um He posted five days ago last time. I think that the way they do it is the one podcast per movie And I assume it's just a chat about the movie um I don't get like Wait a second. What?  His he did one a week ago that has 88 views This is what I mean. I I genuinely don't know how this is possible with the channel. What is his like sub count? This is nando well over like 200,000 250,000 subscribers, but like that's his podcast I guess and then it's just but my my second channel that I've actually rarely ever like shield or anything. That's Like I don't understand. Well for reference nando ej and my unlisted stream archives Have more views Again not not doing this to be mean. I don't understand. I'd figure that he would have more of a crossover from His main channel. I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious And you would think that there'd be an interest because it's not like it's radically different It's talking about movies. He talks about movies And someone said is it more popular on itunes and other sites like it might be but I still channel is here though Yeah, I would expect a youtube like if you like nando his movies. It's like, oh, he's got a podcast. Perfect All I have to do is like yeah If you're if your primary audience if your biggest presence on the internet is on youtube You would expect youtube to be where probably most of your stuff and attention goes Also, at least a massive chunk of it He he I wonder what he said about tomorrow war to give that rating Let me take a look. I'm fascinated furious We're which one's tomorrow war 83 percent 75 percent I mean, I I granted it's easier for those ratings to fluctuate with that few views But what's what's the percentage is that likes to dislikes? Yeah. Yeah, how what how what percentage is positive is the Yeah, well, let me go to uh, mostly nitpicking youtube I mean 75 percent still probably good also like you said you we're dealing with small integers 75 percent is bad It's quite bad Really? Yeah, like it doesn't generally use you more towards positive than negative Oh, absolutely. There's a general rule for like youtube channel. So 75 percent would be Yeah, they like I would say once it gets to I'd say once it starts to dip into like 93 94 percent Like that's curious something Like something's not Yeah, something was a little controversial and if it's below 90 percent Then it's like, oh, you definitely said you definitely said something that people find contentious I another you mentioned I'm like I'm like over 90 likes on my video and I'm like shitting on a popular person Yeah, to be honest, I would expect a worse rating than that for your video, but hey Just well, here's the thing I've gotten worse ratings from picking on snider cut well That's the thing with these ratings. There's so there's only six ratings five up and one down Right. So it's not Yeah, with such few views It doesn't even like yeah one dislike means it drops from a 100 Yeah, exactly exactly Well, the other ones that are positive that are like really popular. Well, it doesn't seem to be any that are popular Well, I was gonna say I just checked that the most popular was like around 600 views for rise of skywalker. It's like, oh Oh, and that was by the way is the most popular refap episode Right, it's okay It is you fuckers with your star wars um, but yeah, I guess If if you want to check out his podcast mostly nitpicking you can find it on youtube Maybe he's better. Um Actually like constructing videos Well, like, you know, we often at the end of an e-fap end up saying man, that was one of the worst views I've seen This one's probably fine like this one Relatively half of it was almost irrelevant, which helps a lot. Yeah What this this this video or the movie this video Maybe that tells you about the standards of e-fap doom or that this video is one of the best ones we've covered probably Really curve? This is actually one of the better ones. Yeah, you should uh, you should check out our cover E-fap 93 go check out e-fap 93 Have fun with that. Let me go look at that because I have been watching some of them.  Are you a free? Wow, I don't think I've sent you any super chats though. Good. Thank god. We already have so many One day one day that backlog will hit zero and I will say haha We have stuck to our word And we can dance a marriage melody tune wait, we'll not dance a merry tune dance to a merry tune Unless it makes the music if we capture with a full backlog anything's possible Those those tap dancers thinking dance. Well, is it a tune or just a rhythm if it's I don't know. Let's good. Let's let's explore here. What is it? 93 got the gun in my mouth. Oh, no Oh, is the lord of the rings trilogy bad? Oh, no, no, no Yep, we have the melody hour and 10 minute video explaining how bad the three of them went. Wow So a tune is a melody It says here a melody is a sequence of single notes that is musically satisfying So I guess technically a tap will have a note To it probably in some way So I guess if you're tap dancing that is a melody, right?  There we go. We sold it Could you so there's always going to be at least some noise whenever you dance as you move around Assuming you take a step, you know steps So pretty much all dances. We've had this conversation before though that noise and music that there is There has to be a distinction between the two So can you cannot create a melody accidentally? I I wouldn't say that I guess it would be that there was a difference between just noise and Actually, that's that's uh, yeah, you give me the big thing right now. I'm I'm struggling yet Art Right because I'm in the camp when it well noise could be art for sure Yeah, like not to tangent into the art. I mean what a sound design that's that's an artistic Thing to do and it's it's you're just trying to make noises that sound like real things So does that so when it comes to sound design if you are sound designing like sound effects That wouldn't be music what it wouldn't be mel because melody is a real thing here So and again the the melody here This is the definition from whatever this is oxford languages or whatever a sequence of single note And I don't want to do argument from the authority here or anything like that I'll just run with this for now if you have an issue with it Let me know a sequence of single notes that is musically satisfying So that is a that's a definition that's based on one subjective takeaway from the thing right You can have a sequence of single notes That's objective But then we have the that is musically satisfying at the end there and that complicates things Or in a sense it makes it quite easy I'm sure I don't have an answer He would have told Wenwu about the evil monster trapped in her dimension that promises you whatever you desire And how that thing that it's promising is a lie and that's just the monster's That would be I don't know what happened with watch together But I guess the new thing now that whenever we pause for a while and we started back up I get like two skips like guaranteed Really fucking annoying Because like I have to rewind us every time because it's too the two two They are two chunks and they are too big to uh, not resex.  It would have come up So we'll just be like doing that magical garden I guess she just doesn't want you could argue She doesn't want to tell him absolutely anything about what goes beyond that or even that there's a gateway may have been What kind of relationship is that? Well, let's do more highlight. Yeah, that's what he said already. Um It makes no sense if if they've decided that that's she's told him nothing and I guess she told him nothing Wow, I know Remember an entirely believable strong love bond of no I tell you nothing. We just have the sex.  Do you guys say convo? I rarely say I think I've said it but very rarely. Yeah I I have yeah, I think I say it ironically mainly Okay, yeah, I'll be I'll be the lame one. I've said it sincerely. Wow. Oh boy This I know what's interesting about my village we have a monster tied up that lies to you But maybe Wen Wu is just a bad listener. I don't know either way Wen Wu's love for his wife was corrupt.  That's trying to take over the world. I just forgot about it A lot of people know about my monster Do we have a final why he has a a wall with water going through it that can be magically used to create a map? Nope and it seems like it has something to do with his Uh yang li because she has the necklaces that like activate it Is that a 10 rings thing so no it's different from the 10 Well, here's the thing if it wasn't a part of the 10 rings surely he would be curious where it's like So the so I guess this is magic that exists outside of the 10 rings that he's aware of And outside of the dimension as well because this is an hour world. So I don't get it So he so he when we can control this. No, you need the pendants to activate it Wait, but it makes no sense because it's a map guiding you into like a magical Yeah other realm why like how who built this and why?   It is so ineffective compared to literally paper and pen Yeah, just draw the way instead. You have to memorize it from briefly seeing it from the pendants or whatever It's corrupt like Shang-Chi. He was driven in the wrong Like you could take a photo with a phone, right? Like oh, we got the pendants by the water wall Well, yeah, I said when we're talking about it, they should just hit record and they could record the entire thing But they don't I don't know Whatever, it's fine. It's totally fine When Wu's love for his wife was corrupted like Shang-Chi, he was driven in the wrong direction by grief Because this is a phase four with Shang-Chi driven in the wrong direction Uh, he's talking about what his dad directed. I'm really talking about when he went to become a valet because being a valet is perfectly valid No, he ended up completely well adjusted Well, his life was fine until his dad ruined it like again Yeah, there were marvel And the theme of phase four appears to at least Somewhat be grief. Yes, because phase four is about grief. There's not really anything in phase one two or three that could relate to grief I mean, that's the meta theme. Well, I'm just gonna go as far as saying that's just drama Characters going through something that's tough and they grieve Yeah, because like the one you just recognized with sylvie that's just her being angry Yeah, so like it's so I think it was Aristotle had like three different things that could happen in a story And they're reversal recognition and suffering. All right, so this is like one of the three fundamental things that can happen Well suffering is just grief trauma challenge adversity kind of like fundamental It's not it's not really. I don't think that's saying I'm suffering Well, it's just yeah that I to say oh well, there's grief. That's like a theme It's like it's like saying that growth is a theme of stories of like a particular phase It's like well. Yeah, growth is typically a part of storytelling. Yes But even then growth is growth implies changing events over time, but grief is just like in isolation. It's just like an emotion Yeah, the other name an MCU movie that doesn't have grief in it Name a dramatic movie that doesn't have grief in it Of some sort. Yeah Uh Yeah, that's a weird I I feel like that's not even I can't be a A Can it be a theme just grief? That's like I would say it absolutely could be a thing. It's just that um, you would go on to explain it more thoroughly than simply saying grief I'd imagine. Yeah, it's like red Yeah, it needs to be more specific You could imagine different forms of grief or different catalysts for grief or whatever and having Different characters going through grief in different ways and it affects them differently I mean, yeah, like lightning docopaths or something. Yeah, exactly Like yeah, that just really threw felt like he threw that in randomly. It was like, yeah, okay And then the third one will might be the best villain. Okay, he hits all of the good antagonist boxes Most importantly, he has something to teach shang chi and the film So is that an important aside from how to assassinate? Is that an important villain box that they have something to teach the protagonist? Yeah, wait, what apparently? Yeah, that's an interesting one. You What did sarin teach us? Right, that's my immediate thought. It's like a lot of the time That there is value in unity It's like, well, he didn't really teach that to us.  He taught us But that bit.  Uh, what the emperor teach luke? By force and trying to tempt him to the dark side.  They were totally ineffective I don't I just don't think it's a necessary component It's a thing you can highlight as a cool element or layer to the dynamic dynamic But to say like that's why he's the best villain is like, why did you Oh my god Just imagine being in a writer's room and you're like shopping a script and you're like, but wait The villain isn't teaching the hero anything Well, and we'll wait for his justification in a sec But I wonder if he's going to draw a line between Having an actual point and then teaching the character directly something that they end up using Or you just force them to learn something by how you having existed and provided them an obstacle Yeah, like there's gotta be a difference there Through michelle Spells this out pretty clearly when Wu believes in family above all else and he's willing to What and shang qi is on the other side of that spectrum that is When we believe in family above all else shang qi is on the opposite side of that spectrum. I'm already confused You value he doesn't value family at all We're talking about someone who's on the side of the spectrum is that you don't care about family at all It's the last thing you care about Like we we're talking about someone who like didn't have a family and just spent thousands of years overthrowing governments and seeking power, right? Yeah, I guess shang qi went to to try and save his sister the second that he thought she was in danger Exactly. That's what so that's what I was gonna say There's two things to counter it's like so when Wu for the most of his existence was about power then family and then His wife specifically to try and rebind the family I guess and it's like he's saying Shang qi's gonna learn from when Wu to value family is is that where he's going with this because man He wants family He feels guilty for leaving shelling behind and for doing nothing when his mom was killed And he hates his father him to kill the leader of the iron clan So shang qi completely abandons his family and in doing so shang qi throws the baby out with the bath water He gives up martial arts and even after he comes back into the world of kung fu Shang qi does not embrace the style that his mother taught him Perhaps because he wants to create some distance from the most traumatic moment of his life I feel you this is pulling desperate pieces together in hopes of creating a through line instead of How does shang qi teach himself to bend a Well, he's almost like he's saying that that's something that he Stopped learning how to do because he didn't want anything to do with his past or whatever Like I don't know I didn't get this impression It's kind of hard to argue this when he was like fully motivated by the idea of his sister being in danger He just must have used the wrong words to convey a point because what he's yeah, what he's saying with Like I don't think that ties into when Wu it other than when we're putting the sister in danger But like again, how's that like Oh, do I need to I forgot I haven't done the obligatory where Wu How Wu Why Wu I'm pretty sure you did do that. Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. It's it's done. We got it not this stream That's the thing and the other streams. Yes, but I forgot to do it this time It's it's done. So we don't have to worry about it anymore. It's all finished. Don't stress taken care of I just have to ask what are the other videos doing that make them so much worse because I feel like There's two things that are going on here. I have the answer your question Just go watch us on at 93. It's all you gotta do I I will but this is making an incredibly weak case and it's making a lot of claims that are objectively false You're familiar with all the rings, right? Yeah, one of the points he makes is that it's um, it felt really out of character when gimli said that he hopes frodo and sam die Wait, when did he say that? That's a really great question. You asked right there Oh This is again the efap curve this film or not this film this video is I mean, it's up there. This is one of the better ones. Certainly one of the better ones. We've seen in a while. Yeah um, we so this is the right industry which uh, Let's go to efap.me is the whole of fame, right? We covered a really bad one not a not a not long ago at all.  That's not quite how he said it. But yeah, if if palpatine returning annoys you pretended something you want and then see how you feel Oh, that's wow Okay, it's uh, I mean the last the last efap we had we covered cinema wins Classic that one was that one was bad. It was very annoying. That's for certain That one was um, yeah, that was awful. It was really bad.  It just kept saying things Cinema things For that it was we colored, uh, colin sanders his uh, sax snider uh, snider verse stuff Then had uh Yeah, then it's 150 essentially and we covered the grace randall video on 150 grace randall's video.  Mm-hmm You ask questions about this one and try and you know, yeah, it's coherent Put in perhaps because he wants to create some distance from the most traumatic moment of his life But shangqin needs to reconcile his issues with his family to reach his He doesn't have any issues with his family really. It's just wenwu You know what I'm saying like his his issues with wenwu Wenwu shows up and he's like, hey, let's go have a picnic. It's all right Briefly says I don't like you because you didn't defend your mom And then I think shangqin is just like you were kind of an asshole in general I think that's the because it's funny that he says issues with his family Him and his sister literally have no issues But they're like vaguely unaware of that because she's annoyed at him for abandoning her quote unquote And I guess you could say like you could have done better looking after it But at the same time she has no idea what the context of it is Yeah, there's just huge problems trying to put together character motivations and actions Well, then you like form a cohesive thing family like who we talking about and it's like the dad and the sister Um, it makes it sound like it's a lot more than that and then you're like, what are his issues with the family? It's like, I mean, well, he doesn't have any issues with the sister It's it's more just the dad had was a bit of a dick And you're about to argue with what he learned that he should embrace his family Okay, but but here's here's a very serious problem Okay, if his dad was going to Tao Lo because he wanted to learn how to do airbending there was no problem He would have just followed him And they his him and his dad would have been cool The only reason they had a falling out is because he was going to go like genocide them or something Yeah, we didn't get enough on that too and that's a scene we should have seen I agree with a lot of other people on that one The his visiting the people who killed his mother Yeah, that would have been quite a an emotional scene that probably would have given us a lot, but in mind It's also weird that like the dad goes and murders them all so presumably he knows where they are But he can't find the leader. I don't know whatever. Well, I thought it was that he did find them But he wanted his son to kill them Ah, okay, I don't remember if you're right He needs to engage with the memory of his mother in stark contrast Whose big issue doesn't feel like the film made a big deal that he's blocking the memory of his mother because it reminds me of Sort of a harsh history. I just don't because I might miss something, but I just don't remember that Nope Memory of his mother in stark contrast to Wenwu whose big issue is his inability to let Li go He can't accept her death either Now could these guys both benefit from a healthy dose of therapy? Yes But in Shang Chi's case He'll have to settle for his aunt telling him that he has a product of everyone that came before him His mother and his father if he wants to work for we're going to embrace He's perfectly well adjusted. He's a very normal guy. I don't think he doesn't seem to be therapy at all Or at least knowledge therapy. They seem to be active to you We went over this right?  Yeah, just the whole like normal.  We don't understand and these terrible character relationships trying to do something We don't get like what? Yeah, I don't think it's particularly well done on either three of the points complimenting him It's kind of weird as well to be like He's one of the best villains because I like his weaponry like I'm not saying that should be discounted But it just feels weird compared to like a character assessment I like his rings. You're like, okay All right It's a shame they aren't attached. Do you know I feel like if ever I was trying to compliment Iron Man's suit and capabilities and relations to the character I would try and comment on how they were choices he made like as part of the suit And it read it. I don't know it's cohesive with his history and uh It's almost like a constant Um redemption for for all of the damages weapons are done prior now being directed by him at the people Responsible for the most pain in the world right now Like I try and relate to that way instead of simply saying like I just like the rockets come out and go boom Yeah, but boom We'll make explodey sound for me when woo is all of those things tied up in a beautiful tonally young bow Okay, tonally. What in there? He's a tonally young. That's his name. Oh So many For a second there. I will I was my brain was on two tracks of like totally. What then I was like, oh, he said tonally Oh, okay. Yeah, that's how I was like a tonally. What bow? No, it's like No, tonally young In shang qi comics you can read that explore the relationship between Zhang zhu and shang qi the recent run of shang qi does this really well even though Zhang zhu is this music about it. Yeah, this music feels weird as fuck, but it's Okay There's another shang qi comic that a lot of people I talked to you haven't read I sort of kind of wait. Are they two tracks at once It sounds like that.  I don't know if they're supposed to be together or not The recent run of shang qi does this really well even though Zhang zhu is dead throughout it and there's another shang qi comic that a lot of people I talked to you haven't read It's Yeah Yeah, it was synced up for a moment But then it got out of sync because they're not at the same like time signatures and everything and it's like, yeah uh That uh Hmm bizarre you pointed it out. Yeah, it's funky kind of a I talk about it and an extended version of this video Oh, no nebula. Oh, she's a name. If you weren't subscribed to nebula. There's never been a better time to It's a dreaming service By the way pretty sure she was mad pretty sure cinema wins created nebula All heaps of people did there's like tons of people who are involved a lot Well, they're like, I know loads people promote them, but i'm pretty I could have sworn He's the one the people who like was the initial creator of the site Um, yeah, but again, there were there were a lot of initial creators listed. I'm pretty sure let me let me take a look so You might be right. Yeah, maybe I'm not sure that is based on a distant memory. So it could be wrong Um, well, there are a lot of people on there because there's like um Wendover Lindsay Ellis is on there Good old Patrick Williams Yeah, uh, extra credits All favorites of ours Anyone good No I like Wendover Oh, oh him. I don't I don't know how it is.   Well, it's it's well because he was saying that there's an extended version of this which you can Well, yeah, but uh, does it take three minutes to say this and what's gonna happen? Why not? Um, yeah, but maybe the last minute is our like patreon. Hey, thanks I the video is over like just what i'm just what i'm guessing The wed dog is it is it over? Just the ad now Let's see if it gets into like a patreon or whatever I'm just curious what else he says about nebula. We've got so many cool originals that I have been a part of And I put all of my videos upon nebula early with the little bonus content at the end We call it nebula plus any video that has that little plus sign next to the runtime Means that video has a nebula plus segment for me at the end of the video I don't like this Well, I don't like the idea of I want all the content to be available to as many people as compile as many people to see all that I worked for Like I don't want to say all right now I worked on a lot of this so I want you to go to this site so that you can get the part that isn't on youtube I guess the problem is that That there has to be some level of acknowledgement that well, it's not really a problem. It's more just that like this is probably effective Um, I'm sure it's effective. Everyone's told me it's effective. Yeah, but I'm not gonna do it Well, oh, yeah, sure. I mean, it's of course whether or not it it's effective doesn't Shouldn't dictate whether or not you do it Dude, it feels so odd though Like if I could afford nebula plus and you couldn't and we both love the creator on there and like every video comes out I'm just like, oh man, that extra minute was so good. You're like, okay If only the peasants could see nando the way I do I like freaking I can share my screen if you want to see that extra minute. You're like, yeah, I guess so like thanks I'll shake it off be with the dog differently. There's an extra three or four Sometimes even 10 minutes of content related to wow But these videos are like 20 minutes at max Exactly sometimes is like 40 extra content by the sounds of it. Mm-hmm The first reason this book is cool is because I find these books a lot of fun Oh, I look at the whole book just looking at all the characters and oh, what's that supposed to be some are very Oh, man, you're missing out guys You guys this is what you get on nebula plus Oh This is like this is like a like a cringe face. Yeah, dude. This is a perfect emote. Like it's a perfect emote. Yeah It's it's like cringe, but it's also like there's been damage done to like your soul. Yeah I'm cringing, but I'm also concerned for you at this point the cringe is so bad. I'm worried for you Yeah This is gonna be one of those moments you think about what you're trying to go to sleep in 20 years You can't remember what it's from all I see is his face I can't I can't get it away. It's it haunts my nightmares. Who is this?  Is this me in the future? Is this a negaverse version of myself?  What do you mean? It's like there's still more to go though Is there I mean we we just to be fair we just found a like a really good. Yeah, that could be. Yeah, let's see. All right fine I Some characters just called caliban or whatever, but there are other characters. That's a name. That's like saying oh, this this guy's just called What we just missed out on Yeah, like there are some people who are just called like I said jeffrey andrew steven That's what a name is This video's out well after Logan with one of the main characters is called caliban from a comic book movie So of course you might even have to account for people being like. Oh, is it that caliban? Mm-hmm I guess here's like this henchman Who's apparently supposed to be a version of taskmaster which makes sense because you can get a takeover different fighting style Oh, look at my hand. We have partnered with this video sponsor curiosity. 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Well, his other video was more so something that I'm expecting us to agree with But the problem is you never know that's going to be the case He basically it's his audience didn't like the video and it's him explaining the problems with what if I guess the problem is we haven't Yeah, and also we it took us like four and a half hours to feel like yeah, that could be a whole thing I don't know what to expect. So I think it might be worthwhile to start doing that supers All right, so eight hours of super chats Uh, well, you know, it'll just be however long It takes well our average is eight hours. That's a thing. Yeah Our average is eight hours. We've been going for about four and a half So we still got at least three and a half hours to kill Unless or else people will get upset. Let's see the next video You got to push those numbers out. Those are rookie numbers. So then how do we uh, Oh, I mean we can start in at least right If we start we're oh, no, no, no I I want to set a precedent here of being like if we hit four hours 20 minutes at the end of a video I'm more than happy for us to do the super chest portion now I'm happy to do the super chest portion. I'm totally happy Well, you know what chat let it be known Let it be known that This that's fine It is fine. It's four and a half Yeah, but you said it in a way that implied that it wasn't fine. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy.  That's right. It isn't at all Or maybe it is I wouldn't know. I'm not subversive. I don't know their ways Is that how it works? You have to be one to know what one is If I am being subversive, it is totally coincidental Which it isn't because I'm not being subversive Oh, all right Not me. I'm I'm very happy with us Doing whatever it is that you'd like us to do we are united Uh here on the efap podcast All four of it. What wait, what is doomer think? Oh about what? About what's what's our plan of action here for the podcast? What's what's uh, I mean Well, personally if I was in charge I would load up the extended lord of the rings trilogy and just start going through that but But I think I mean copyright copyright wise. That's the thing. That's the thing. It's a copyright issue Yeah Yeah barring that what's your second? What's your second choice if if maybe if are like if we were gonna go eat some place and maybe I don't know bj was closed or whatnot. Where where are we going? What's uh, what's the plan here? Where where where should we go out to eat? No, I'm like it like what's your second option for the podcast plan planery That that's our angle of attack here Talk about something that's interesting or talk about a movie or talk about super chats or play another video And those are all fine Give you direction Sweet, no, I'm fine with all of those those sound great We keep saying that you're fine because he said because he said both of our suggestions let it be known He threw out a lot of stuff and both of our uh first picks were in camp side of you on crazy doggo I I think he's being subversive. Yeah, I think so. Yeah Well, I'm on the side of I'm on the side of justice. I'm a big fan of justice I got such a leading fan boy talking about shitty movie Well, well, yeah, but that wasn't in the zack sider one. Was it? No. No, it's not a superman is not a fan of justice It's not the one thing like the whole goddamn movie that sounds like oh, hey, that's like superman. He took it out It was never there. It's some of the jot added I guess Oh, yeah, I supposed oh, yeah Yeah, I'm I'm down to we can go through super chats as many as you want Until there are zero left. Well, it would be neat if we can get through today's ones, you know That'd be that'd be swell. Yeah, we can pull that off Can pull that off. I'll be fantastic. So I'm gonna get started. You guys ready Yeah, I'm I'm ready. I am We'll tell you what before you start. Let me go ahead and top off my beverage And I will uh return I will return shortly not directly directly means immediately. I will return Directly means immediately.  I think he fell headfirst into the pumpkin and got out of it like And the choice of brain damage. Yeah, his rags not seen Shang-Chi No, no, but he's had the whole film described to him That poor guy again, probably the what happened to him was that the damage done Yeah, I mean that's like that's like me in the last jet. I've never seen it, but I've seen your review of it, so Yeah, I think as said he's never gonna watch Rise of Skywalker, but he's seen my review So I guess it's painful The review less so but still Yeah All righty lord long bone of mubeslington abbey Have you given any more thought to a cong fap of peter jackson's long cong? When there's less going on it'd be a movie fap for the ages ps. Oh wait, I'll read that once ranks is back, but uh Yeah, yes Thought is being given thought shall come and a recording of such a movie shall be a thing This one says angry super chat 9 So I guess they're just gonna keep counting up. See what happens What's getting terrifying to think about? Hey Mola started watching your videos like last year and I saw your doctor sent visit machine for pigs video And honestly, it's really inspiring to me. Hey That's my um my oldest like I guess I don't know what you call it, but a new format of review Or I was like it's time to Take a lot more time Eli rakes No, it has been that chicken that you were very lably eating. Yeah, no the thing is see I accidentally my when I made it I I baked it and Yeah, I over No, I overcooked it. That's the thing. It's a bit My timer I set it for about I put it up in two breasts, right Uh, 450 degrees. I set it for about 30 minutes and I was gonna check it But the dinger didn't go off for whatever reason very surprising So it ended up being longer than that. It was a burn, but it was just Over done I mean, I guess you'd rather of all of the meats, right? You don't want to overcook you don't want to undercook chicken That's true. You don't um, but generally I like me. So like me a juicy chicken. Oh, yeah That was one of the revelations I learned like when I was getting older. It's like man like You kind of lose something sometimes when it's like well done Oh, yeah, I don't like yeah, well done meats. I don't like them I like um, I like them as raw as I could eat them generally. Um, I don't know if I'd agree with that For me, but uh, I definitely prefer a little bit of red in there Like I like my my steaks Medium rare at most Generally about medium rare. I'm a big fan. It's a huge fan of sushi. I love it. I love all that stuff Love me.   Yeah, that's true bring over the nuggies That's essentially top tier Yeah, you and you can um, you can get away with overcooking like drumsticks more They just retain or at least they seem to for me. They just seem to retain They are better even if you cook them for longer Um, and if you keep the skin on it'll help to get the skin nice and crispy Um, so it gives it a good kind of you know crunch on the outside But like just plain old breast where it's just pure white meat You don't want to overcook those. There's just nothing you got. You definitely don't want to overcook those And they're just not pleasant And dear god don't overcook a good tuna because that stuff is crap if you overcook it See if it's just gross No I don't I gotta do everything here. You can do it. No, we did it. We want you to Do it too. Oh, I'm since he's like a gas I'm gonna try and provide a little bit of neutral ground. He's got two of the hosts coming after him already, you know I'll take it taking all comers A chat chat saying kick kick doomer bandoomer See if it's delicious. It's it arguably the best food to see food I I gave I gave a very controversial much so much great variety everything Fish and different arthropods and oh man, it's great. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of nasty It tastes like it came from the ocean though. It's gross. It smells. Yeah, that's like one of the cool parts of it Is that it does taste like it came out of the ocean It will count that's like saying a cow tastes like something out of the middle of a came out of a field. Yeah Yeah, I mean potatoes tastes like something that grew in the dirt Yeah, and that stuff tastes good But I mean all that fishy stuff Okay, okay.  Don't eat stuff in the ocean. Ocean's great I don't eat seafood in the ocean. I I get it. It's from the ocean Have get yourself a good how far away is the ocean for me fringy? not far Like within an hour drive or oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'll do you one better.  Yeah, but well, yeah, well there we go. You grew up in florida. That explains that Why does that explain the liking seafood? That you're wrong and that's something with something in the Florida water Florida is the wrong state Yeah I guess there is just something wrong about florida the florida man hates seafood. It's a headline Anyway, seafood's gross. You know, it's delicious Incredible variety so good for you Oh, look at that. I stopped the timer a half second before I don't even know what that is actually It's like a mil milliseconds there. Oh, look. Waluigi. Yeah. Waluigi deserves the win Um, how well wags these squishes for the good boy. Thank you very much. Thank you Oh, I've got a couple people saying dimmer is right. I'm good and correct and dimmer is very incorrect and wrong and he is also fake and gay Well, I have to write that down too. Um, and yeah, people are asking I guess I should get I should get it done So hey duma without thinking about it too much What's better Christmas or Halloween?  I mean, I don't everyone has different opinions about everything right ranks I mean, I mean our opinions are right though and rags is wrong Mine is the correct opinion. Well, I certainly disagree that seafood's the best food What what do you what do you think that best food is? What is your in edible cuisine? It is it is shockingly edible. It is it's the more edible than most foods You could pluck it out of the ocean and eat it Is that what defines how great a food is like? No, no, he said he said which it's edible Now I was I was talking about his claim that it was inedible But in actuality Fish like all saltwater fish eat it raw sushi can eat it raw. It is very edible Can I can I read a super chat because it's so based? Okay It says says normally I'm a simp for rags, but duma is correct about seafood It's horrible and ugly and stinky and all seafood are nazis From toxic monger the hateful brood who is correct in base First off, there's a few issues here. Why is of capitalized? I'm not sure already calling into question. It was a stylistic choice super chat All right, that makes it worse. He can't even claim ignorance then And then at the end all seafoods are nazis not thoughts. He's what it's there. What it's there I don't know. Where's that going? I'm not sure I I this is a very questionable seafood is corrupted with the essence of nazis the whole thing is if you like seafood I think Germany is a landlocked country What what does that have to do with anything they'll import things? Why why would germans have that kind of control over the the oceans or anything like that? It's not like it's not like chili that has the or chili depending on which side of the border you're on The ocean is livens. Why would they go take it? Well, that didn't work out. Well They gave it a go Oh, man Anyway, good super chat. Yeah, well any any particular reason why you prefer Halloween Christmas or is that just random? Oh, no, um, I really hate gift giving holidays So like I in general I'm really negative about holidays. Halloween's one of the few ones that make sense to me Hmm makes like Like like for example, like valentine's day is so weird to me Like shouldn't you be just be doing those things? Like all the time like why would there need to be a special day for like being nice to your significant other? Right, so weird, but like Halloween school you have to like have a party It's not the only time you're nice to your significant other It just draws It's a special time to just be to extra draw attention to um And to be extra romantic to just remind you of that sort of thing And it's nice to have a day where that's something that you could put really at the forefront more than other days And I think that's totally fine Yeah, that's like saying that you should You should only be generous on christmas or something. I think that's part of his point Yeah, that's that's part of my point is like I really I really dislike mandatory gift giving holidays.  It doesn't get anybody anything That's not gonna go.  I'm gonna keep it safe until a special day What I have to give it have fun with the wrapping and it doesn't have to be a you have fun with the wrapping I'm a terrible rapper. It's actually and I like it's actually I have fun doing it because of how shit mine is mine is mine is Distinguishingly crappy compared to everyone else the rest of my family are like Like assembly line robots when it comes to wrapping it looks perfect and mine is just I just I don't know how they do it. It's my wrapping is very good.  So I have no excuse you should have a lot of it Well, I'm a halloweener at heart, you know, I'm just a good at Christmas as well Yeah, halloween is clearly superior because halloween is a holiday that should exist Wait, is it wait, are we gonna go with it? Is it is it good that you're it's socially acceptable to Give candy to strangers who come to your door wearing costumes Well, you you you cannot answer and it's not going to change much of anything I'm not particularly committed to that part of halloween.  I'll come to your place Knock on the door in the costume. Oh, I keep I keep the light off, sir Elevated the party complex people don't come to my place Yeah mandatory candy giving that's right brad Yeah, so I'm assuming that moller takes the Pro halloween position and I do halloween Like october is my favorite month. It's a wonderful time of year with us Those are variables and fun crazy ideas and stuff like fun. Christmas is a little bit more boring Yeah I mean Christmas is the one I end up having to like celebrate because it just makes sense like Whatever it is that you're doing it's easy to get time off around Christmas or if you're in school There'll be a break or whatever. So yeah, I was going to go back home last Christmas is that you actually get more I think they should take uh, that's a good argument and they should move halloween to the last Friday or saturday of october not have it all week on like the 31st or whatever day.  I gotta go to work tomorrow or school tomorrow or something.  Well, that's what we'll be doing, but that's not preferable, you know Yeah, but a lot of the the trigger treaters and all that and a lot of the get-togethers are on The halloween itself and it would be nice especially for the kid I'm gonna I'm gonna pull a think of the children here and I'm gonna say I want those kids to be able to I enjoy their halloween night with all the candy and the costumes and trigger treating and stuff without having to worry about Being home and in bed by a reasonable hour because schools tomorrow Wait, are are the are the mods censoring pro christmas post? Do you have like the most based mods on youtube? I'm pretty sure thunder is pro uh christmas. I think james and das a pro halloween I really don't see them uh We don't suppress christmas or halloween. Okay, it's fine And I know all saint's days that yeah, I get that but screw that Like october isn't the eighth month You know we that we can move we move that so We move we have the power to move a lot of things guys. It'll be fine We have got some power at our fingertips. So i'm fine with departing from the hallows eve thing So that we could move it to a friday or a saturday Oh, there's there's actually another thing annoying thing about christmas is my birthday is nearby. So as a kid I didn't really get to holidays Christmas just sort of sucked up my birthday Yeah, we'll do that reason. I don't know. I like halloween or Thanksgiving more though For me because I like a lot about both of them I think I would have to lean Thanksgiving That one might really come down to what the like your family does on those two holidays Potentially because if like for us Thanksgiving is a big it's a pretty big thing. It's not as big as christmas Uh, but it's it's pretty big. So It's not a thing at all over in britain Also potentially true. Yeah, you don't like coming enough is this day, right? We also a lot of British people don't do anything for halloween. I'm always just like wow Disgusting creature. We don't do anything for halloween over here. It's only recently that I remember as a kid I wanted to because I've you know watched some stuff like that, but nobody did halloween stuff Now it's kind of a thing kind of but not really Is it is it normal for a mario party map to be this smaller? Um, they usually so this is the story mode. They're smaller Um Happy halloween moeller fringy. I've hunted alligators in florida. Can you hunt crocodiles in australia? Uh, I don't know actually, uh, let me let me let me like legally or Yeah, well, I mean, obviously if you want to do Legally you can probably do a lot of things, but can you hunt crocodiles in? Australia a lot of the time apparently that Okay, so crocodiles are protected um They are protected, but you can do safaris I don't like that. I don't think Yeah, because generally the point of hunting is to either get populations to a more environmentally Yeah conscious level or to thin out invasive species Or So yeah, and if it's like on Like if it's a safari and that's where like they're just supposed to be almost by quasi designed to be hunted there. That's odd Like here, that's that's how it it goes right like in a lot of places people rich tourists go to africa And then they go on this as far as they can kill like elephant stuff What if okay, let me what if The funds that are used from safaris end up supporting and creating more of the animal than was killed um I guess at that point it would just be like well If if that's the case then that's I guess a great a good situation. Um, but is that the case? I I'm sure you'll be like can we not do this in any other way? That would be the immediate thing is like surely we could actually increase their numbers while not also killing them Like we are the in prepping their guns.  It's like Something yeah, like there's a lot. It's it's this is a state. That's like 80. That's like 99.9 percent forest So you gotta It's a big thing here. It deer hunting is it well, I mean that that was the problem that happened, right? Is that a lot of the uh predatory species that used to live in north america? Like a lot of them just dead or they're really far north now so um It's like there needs to be human attempts to control the population Because the animals that used to do it don't exist in large numbers anymore Uh, a lot of it might be due as well down to um in a weird way I'm wondering how much because like there are deer in like the suburbs here And a lot of the urban areas and city limits They can get pretty wide and far out and you're not allowed to Like shoot or hunt on city limits in the vast majority of circle Naturally, you know, you don't want to be Wait Does this city being here does it Does it legit give them a safe zone where they're like they don't have predators and we can't kill them Oh, I mean, there are certain animals that like benefit greatly from cities. I mean foxes for instance raccoons Yeah They're like they're all they're like possums everywhere Yeah, the raccoons are really cool. They're like they can pick locks possums too is the case. I really like them both Yeah, I like possums. Um, you always hear possums all around here Wolves specifically used to be the main control. Yeah, that's what I thought and it's like and then there have been instances where they You know, there were areas where the wolves were completely The area was depopulated wolves and then the deer were so plentiful, but they destroyed the environment And so they needed to reintroduce wolves to change the behavior of those deer. It's like a trophic cascade So, yeah, the answer to that question is apparently can hunt crocodiles in certain circumstances I wonder if I know how weird this sounds but like The satisfaction levels of hunting different things I imagine with like deer The element of you have to be quiet enough and careful enough that you can knock it out before it can start running from you A crocodile Is the thrill of the hunt in the finding of the crocodile or because once you find it It's like it's pretty much assuming if you have a gun powerful enough.  Yeah, feel like that's not even hunting at that point Um You don't have to track it. It's just it's just there I guess. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's in a sense it's uh, yeah in a sense Though there is an aspect there's an element too of because of an alligator and how it how difficult they could be to find in terms of It like being in the water Finding them being able to get to them And if you spot a gator a lot, it's like it's very difficult to kill it because if it if it's floating on the surface You have to get close enough to it to get enough of a downward angle to actually shoot it anyway So it's like if I wonder like how if you didn't trap them It must be really difficult to hunt them, especially because how dangerous they could be And they got like bagged up stuff on gators. I know with those there's like gator hunting shows They have on what used to be the history channel Um, they have like they're only I think they're only allowed to catch a certain amount and stuff like that Like it's like almost all hunting.   So It's it's kind of like is fishing hunting In a way, yes, but not in like hunting I guess I guess if the if the broad definition of hunting is like acquiring an animal Or acquiring anything that doesn't necessarily want to be caught Yeah, then trapping would be hunting. I guess Trapping is a it's an actual thing like It's not it's not even hunting. It's called trapping. By the way rags It's uh, just just so you have awareness of it.  It's way better Um, it just it just knocks you out Uh, the definition of hunting is the activity of hunting. Okay, that's awesome. That's not a helpful definition Hunting is the activity of hunting wild animals Well, someone said that by your logic we discount fishing as a form of hunting and it's just like I don't think I've ever thought of fishing as hunting, but I guess it is I've never thought of it as that but yeah Generally when people and if it gets too bad, let me know because I'm fiddling with settings until I get something that Maybe helps um I'm not sure if there is honestly a solution to it.  Yeah, there's always someone who loses When can fringy hear my voice when it does that? I can hear you. Yeah, but so uh rags just start talking just about anything Okay, all right. Well, I'm fiddling with now. I'm gonna interrupt him and he's probably gonna start Flating away. Yeah, there you go.  So who knows if that played a part, but generally isn't We lost in the cold day I was before rags But I think duma was the last one in the cold. Oh, there you go. I always wonder if it's does it like that Maybe duma would get overspoken as well. I don't know I hear him just fine, but I it's probably not from my end anyway that that happens It's when I listen back to it hear it Yeah, obviously it's just a matter of hopefully we don't just have to avoid speaking at the same time as much as we can basically Do you have your voice on discord turned on? Do I have my what sorry? noise suppression Um, where is it? It's in your voice in video settings I can't I don't think it'll let me check that right now because the obs knocks out all of my options when I'm streaming in terms of It doesn't let me see them Okay But um, whatever the default is that's probably what I've got Okay, I got you Yay, something to listen to while I pretend to work for my 12 hour shift Hey You you I don't know if I could told you guys before I'm sure I've mentioned it, but it just always baffled me like when I did Like call support with tech support in like a call center for a while. It was um, kind of a nightmare job just constant problems and Uh, trying to account for other people's I say other people's mistakes But usually they are accounting for other people's mistakes It's like a long thing of mistakes and someone calls you like oh my computer's still not working and here's their um Their form of like previous things and it shows like seven entries from different call support people who are like turned it off and on Installed blah blah blah blah blah blah and you just have to read through it all and then try and figure out what their problem is Point being as a nightmare before I went and to the job market. I remember playing League of Legends back in the day And I wanted like different people to play with if I was staying up late And there was a guy who was a brother of a friend who was like always playing it I was like, ah neat. I'll play with him. Um, you know got along well had some fun And uh, it was always around the same time around like 12 midnight I would call him and we jump into him play a few games. Maybe until 2 or 3 a.m and every time I was just like, um You know don't don't like isn't this stressful in terms of like Because we're doing it in the weekdays sometimes and I should be like You have to like get up for you know, whatever and Like a job or whatever he was like, what do you mean?  I'm at work my job is tech support and nobody rigs. So I just play games all day Oh, man That's a blessed life, I guess. Oh, he really does play support He told me that um at some point because it's a team game that he you know I have to take the risk of playing with him that he could get called at any point You'd have to leave the game and over the all the time I played with him. It never happened Wow Yeah, and so so there are some jobs out there where you could just do anything I guess this is like wow I think you have to kind of look out for that sort of thing Do I guess luck out or maybe it's really boring? Who knows? Well, I'm sure you'd agree like if you were getting paid by the hour for a job where you just play video games on steam Oh, sure. I mean If anything is an excuse to go through your library, isn't it? Yeah, of course you'd have the time in the world It's a player. Let's throw that over Bring any plans to stream Metroid Dread when it releases. I'd love to see that Um, I I think I'd like to do that. Yeah, and that's that's uh, that's coming out next week. So It might be the forehand. I'll just double check make sure that stream stuff works for uh, Jay just said that might be on the cards. Jay said he almost worked as hard as his son It's true He's still a little bit effort into the video game Yeah, that's right uh But yeah, Metroid Dread that's gonna be a I would even tune in to you playing that for me even I someone who never watches Oh, even you. Oh, right. Even me. I don't need to be paid Well, no, I mean in terms of I'm not even like big into Metroid. I've played Echoes and zero mission. That's really it sometimes in smash, but uh, yeah, I don't know really, but I would yeah It's like not a problem, but I'm putting you at like 190 to put you back to normal now I don't know what you did, but you're a lot quieter Oh, okay. Yeah, I feel ranks is quiet. Yeah. Give me a second. All right. I'm gonna turn him back down just in case Well, I would just flick the switches back on so it should just go to normal So I have no idea what one of this game is I yeah, I flicked a few things. I think I was playing around with I toggled echo cancellation noise reduction and automatic gain control I'm I'm telling you dude. I'm almost certain there's nothing you can do about it Well, it used to be almost every single e-fap it seemed to happen And when I started using the rtx voice It wasn't nearly as common that it would happen in our recordings and everything again I'm not sure so if anyone had asked me I'd have been like it's as it's as common as it's always been for everybody It just cycles through people. I think it happened to you a couple times in a row and it really pissed you off Which is fair, but It's just yeah, I uh Yeah, I I don't know. I I don't know Um, especially because I think you heard them in an e-fap movies, which is especially annoying ranks Yeah, and then yeah, I think that's where I first noticed it and then I I listened to other stuff And I was like it keeps happening. It's half the stuff that I say just gets disappears Which is you'd think that's kind of like what shouldn't happen in a voice call where they just say you just don't get to be heard anymore Look, is it the last one I remember was when we were in the pool with Think shad and drink and it was uh shad was getting completely destroyed by it Targeting Australians But I mean if you're in the chat and you've heard of this or you're aware of some potential fix like pass it along to me I'd be very curious Duh, like I said, it can't uh, fuck me up at least to the e-fap audience because my audio comes through obs instead I'm immune to this horrible disease, but it could happen But you guys on your ends in terms of not being able to hear me What um Do you know what the because I know if you have a server With like nitro and stuff you can have like high quality voice rooms Is there a way to enable that for calls or is that a default thing that you have? I assumed it was default because it's just there's no Controls for calls, you know Yeah, like I don't know where the option seems to be if that's a thing um So Am Oh stressful Um Fringy. Oh wait, uh molla, please gadelb. It's at this point We remember that she isn't super powered, but it doesn't matter since she's the best at everything So the thing is about that that is a quote from cinema sins a win. Sorry, but I can't remember if Was he saying that as a point of criticism? What was he saying that? Because he was like it doesn't matter because she's the best at everything like that's a credit But if he was like it's fine because she is the best at everything Which came not long after him saying that didn't didn't he make a point of one like part of the video where Because like there's no reason to assume She's not any less powerful than Thor because she saved the world wasn't like that I can't remember but But what was this again? It's just um, I could make that a gadel quest couldn't remember how much of a Of a thing it was if it were um, you shouldn't have too much of an issue finding examples, right? So You're gonna start for content in that sense In terms of needing to put it in, you know What what are you? Sorry, maybe maybe I just yeah, it's just say it again. I think I might have just Okay, so um, Sino wins at one point said it's at this point We remember that she isn't super powered but it doesn't matter because she's the best at everything And I'm asking whether or not that was more of him Recognizing a flaw or was it him actually arguing that? I think that's more him arguing that Or in that case, I will add it. All right.  It's mean Jay's friends at cinema wins Oh, no, not really Right, what's wrong with me? I'm sure he's I'm sure I well You know, I was more Joe.    It's fine I I just think it's weird coming from j who is you very critical of media and stuff And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm friends with cinema wins and his content is just really bad Especially in that aspect. So it's just it's odd. I guess, you know, there's a little bit of a Are you saying you're not on good teams with anybody who makes shitty videos? Uh, no That's what I make that's what I make that's what I make sure to do is uh is like is hey rags You want to be friends and I say, no, maybe maybe I'll think about it And then I'll go into some story about someone I used to know or something like that and I'll be googling their YouTube uh channels and I'll be listening and to see if their videos are good or not And if the videos are good, they're at least average to good I'll say yep. Send me a friend request. We can go to buddies. You can come to my Birthday parties.  You want me to do we're good. We're set And uh, if it's bad, I'm gonna say, um, I think we're brand. I think something's wrong with the call I can't quite hear you go ahead and uh message me tomorrow. We'll try it again I think something must be wrong with the servers and then I'll just then they'll forget So that's so it's yourself out Someone said bad videos don't make you a bad person. I'm yes. Thank you. Just has to be 100 percent I'm gonna make a video. It shows you the state of your soul Damn I'll be like, why can I uh direct message rags anymore Yeah, well, why can't I do rags anymore? Oh, I gotta snap up my youtube game before he'll talk to me The harsh realities of the youtube world So rags, I know you're joking, but that's how quinton decides whether to socialize with people I think quinton should be just happy that anybody socialized with him or would be willing to It is definitely not about the quality of videos from quinton. It's whether or not they align with him Politically, I'm pretty sure that's been explicit a couple of times from him That like if you don't have the same values and he's not going to bother with you I guess that's an interesting thing because it's like To some extent everybody has that perspective. It's just where do you draw the line? Yeah, let's just say he draws it harshly Yeah, right. Well, I think I think yeah Hi rags, I'm hola. Hi frog daddy lish daddy g lishes. Oh my god. Oh boy. Hi I guess hello here. He is still here Yes, he had to take his dog out Is dog okay? like um like the dinner or a date or Thinking about stepping things up to the next level Right.  Yeah My weird question weapon. I was waiting for like one second All right, then Um, happy spooky month as a chris massive. I'm super spooked right now. Hey Let's think how halloween is welcome all it's poop. Yeah spooky wean. It's it's chili to the bone If you guys ever watch venom 2 and rate it higher than winter soldier, I will be shocked It's possible like it's probably downright probable I might give it the benefit of the doubt.  I'm sorry Yeah, winter soldier is consistently and thoroughly bad Um, I love the re premiere.  It's gotta be you right? I can't it can't it can't be me because I'm gonna pumpkin So between I like how you said it's gotta be like it's gotta be you and then rice like pumping me Well, yeah, I think I've made my reasons pretty clear, uh, but between so between the two of you Which is which is the most evil between the two of you I mean long man steals people feelings. That's pretty that's pretty scary What do you steal if anything I don't steal anything except for Ingredients from my gear you steal those. You don't you don't purchase the legally Some of them some of them are Like hard to come by all right Do you have do you kill elephants and alligators on safari? No animals will harm them making my goo. That's for sure Okay, did you turn small animals into goo with your high powered? I just said no animals were harmed in the making of my goo You have to turn animals into goo to make your other goo. I it's like a video game animals will harm You have to combine yellow goo and red goo to make your green goo You wouldn't necessarily have harmed the animal if it were dead by the time you convert into goo But I it was it would so what you sang like the only way that I couldn't harm it Is if I wait for it to die and then turn it into goo I mean, there are human ways to extract goo from animals. I suppose or at least more I don't extract goo from animals. This is not part of the process That's just generally good life advice not to extract goo from extract goo from animals All right, let's do not extract life advice with efab You can extract goo from trees. It's delicious syrup that you can put on your panty cakes There you go Um, always love your content. Although I only agree 90 of the time keep fighting the good fight I want good movies tv shows and comic books again Also, maybe one thing Important to note as well. It's blue and yellow that make green. I said red and yellow for some reason Right, nobody knows blue and yellow that make green Just for the just to keep the records straight To to establish that I I know my colors So jay jay said I know a professional animal goo extractor who disagrees with this ring. What do you have to say to that? I mean if he does whatever his enterprise is i'm just saying that my goo was not product of animal What's the name of their business like professional animal goo extractors incorporated obviously a g Paggy professional animal goo no page professional animal goo extractors page page Take a page out of their book die mini bowser. Oh good Watch this super mario. Oh wait I didn't know you guys know each other well Watch the super mario bros vhs extended rough cut. It's an archive.org and it is fantastic Well, we'll watch them back to back the new and the old it'll be wonderful It's a letter be written Time to get the 10 shaft rings and lotion because we're talking about when woo woo Nice I've been waiting for this poggers. I'm not if they were specifically talking about um Get a little nandovis movies and you know fair enough Maybe they were talking about that. Maybe they're talking about doing politics, you know, I know Is batwoman an absolute triumph? Yes In a certain sense Yeah, that's a good meme It's a me Um, I would say batwoman is kind of special in a lot of ways So you could call it a triumph by some definitions. Yeah I um You'll be cool if for season three they recast batwoman again just to keep in in line with everything Well, here's the thing that that face thing is a pathway to many actors and actresses Remember when they got rid of mouse and it was just like why and then yeah, it was at the beginning They got rid of him quick. It was like first episode first second episode No, that was the end of wasn't the end of season one or my it was the end of season one And then they did the bruce wane thing and then fortunately they ended that immediately because my greatest fear Yeah, you think that they were gonna do something more with that, but it really was a one and done episode That's wild I think it was just uh peak creativity, you know, um, hi lads. Hope you had fun. I know we will in the chat Oh speaking for all of chat, huh? I feel like they have their own perspective, you know, maybe some chat's allowed Chat's allowed to not have fun. I was gonna say a couple of hate watchers. Oh, I'd hope so What channel is complete without a little bit of hate? With a little hate we can watchy fat.  Uh fap Clap under clap Do you have do you have any favorite mmo's growing up as a child? I used to love playing L. O. T. R. O. And swator Not sure if they're actually good, but I loved them Uh, the only mmo that I have played and stuck with is guild wars too I've tried wow and I just could not get into it Um, I wasn't interested in final fantasy 14 or any of the other ones I think when new world just came out, but I just don't have any interest in that either Yeah, mmo's are a tough sell when you're older Yeah, I played a bunch of wow and old school runescape Although that's not really an mmo in my opinion, but people call it that I never really go into um an mmo. I played a couple, but I just think yeah I think I always wanted to but then it just never happened Yeah, it's it's way more fun when you have like less to do if you have like a A job or like hobbies that you're really into. It's just very difficult to fit in Over some people it's always just difficult to fit in Yeah, that's the way they are, but No inuendo I mean there's there has to be a one of the reasons that I play guild wars too is it it does not have a subscription service It's pretty stupid you buy it And you get access to all the things and if you want to buy a little extra stuff you have that option Um, but I mean there's a number of reasons why I like it But that is one of them if I I'm not going to play a game We're have to pay a month regardless of whether I'm playing or not Um, just not not not keen on that Yeah, uh, I'd rather just pay a chunk a chunk up front and get all the things To to answer alicorn's question in chat I don't really think old school is an MMO because the vast majority of the game's content you play alone And then like iron man mud's becoming more and more popular, which is basically play the game by yourself plus like Raids that you can do after you have a hundred days of playtime or something It's it's not super similar to like wow where you know, you're grouping all the time and grouping is like the point You guys looked into squid game yet Thoroughly enjoyed it and would love an objective take from you folks mulligay high rags Hello to you. I have not checked it out. Oh, I don't even know what it is really Yeah, what is squid game on google it squid game? Oh, I don't know Squid game. Is that what they said just really sad Said squid game is the most disturbing show I've ever seen. That's the first thing I see Oh, it's not a game Squid game Um, hundreds of cash strapped contestants accept an invitation to compete in children's games for attempting prize, but the stakes are deadly Oh my god Well, um, you know, maybe I'll sit at some point. I don't know Is it Korean this dad Korea? Yes Oh What all I heard was memory what was that A Korean show we're already we're already preoccupied with another true Really cool show Uh, why did you bring doom of politics on? How did you find them and decide them to get them involved since they only have one video? Um, so they were on is really simple I'd seen the video they made if I haven't stamped so it fringy And then I think rags probably saw it as well because it got around. I'm aware. Yeah, I'm aware of it I just haven't watched it yet. And then I believe he jumped on he jumped on adam and sitch And then I saw him in uh, the chat when I was mentioning I'd seen the video and then Uh emails twitter and then I have chat with him while I was playing beaver game It's not timberborn. It's beaver game No Politics a key part of the anti-fun equation What was the thing maybe you should rebrand yourself to doom everything so that people don't think you're just politics Let's yeah, that's sort of an interesting question is I'm I'm already Like in the I initially sort of charted out a bunch of videos I wanted to make and it was like 80% politics and it's already been Whittled down to where it's like there's three politics videos I want to make and like 15 videos I want to make about media I mean, maybe yeah, because now my it's probably early enough that you could still rebrand just as long as kept doom apart and Yeah Yeah, the the weird thing is that like I've been on a bunch This is not by any means the first term I've been on I've been on a bunch of them So like people kind of have this idea of who I am so it would be weird to change the name I almost think it would be best to just leave it like this and just not make politics videos Yeah Change it as early as you can if you're gonna change it change it Now well did you hear anything you just said or What no I assume no Well, that's the thing is like I'm already like The name is a thing people know who do more politics is like it's something people search for So there's sort of a pre-sale franchise element there Maybe phase it out over time or use two names for a while. Well, it's an It sounds like he doesn't want to because I was just gonna say it's an easy change to go from doing politics to do Ma so that's always on the table no matter how big you are That's the thing I saw I would I would I would I would prefer to change it if it if there was no consequences I would change it like literally on the stream right now. It's just that I don't know if they're I don't know what the best thing to do is Well, um, I honestly think it'd be easy for you to go from do my politics to do ma Yeah, I think so Probably yeah And I don't think many people are gonna be confused about it And I think if they search do my politics you still probably show up As doing probably my yeah, especially just tag. Yeah, use your use your tags always tag doomer politics That's a good point. That's an excellent point. I'll probably do that actually.  You know someone who went from cinema sins sins to Sin sins to jaxi sin sins to jaxi, so Yeah, oh wow And that is not from being very illustrious. Yes Yeah, I'll probably just change it soon then. Hmm Um, yeah, um, yeah, just uh, yeah, my that that's my boss. So Do with it what you will But if you don't you're wrong I mean you're wrong about seafood and christmas. That's not true. Actually, you'll come around. They all do Chat chat was actually kind of backing me up there a little bit. Oh, we have a lot of they've been known to be halloween is in chat Losers so See chat, I would never say that about you Oh, well, if you're not one of them chat, I'm not talking about you. Don't worry I don't I don't think chatter contrarian losers. They seem really like smart and like educated and cute to me This is your first treat. Don't worry You're right. They are cute while educated halloween is we welcome chris massives as well No, they're uh Oh, it was it. It was was it chris massives or I want to I want to say there was another one that I really liked. Um Oh It'll come to me. Mm-hmm. Yes chat. I am hitting on you. Oh Uh e-fap gang ever seen the hot wheels world race and accelerators movies No Hot wheels world race. Yeah, I've not even heard that was a thing I've never heard about this.  How do they get over the oceans and their hot wheels? Bridges big bridges Wow That's pretty cool.   Wow, that's Okay, I don't normally quick So here's the thing.  Maybe if I just Maybe it's like splitting the atom. You got to do you got to hit it just right for the big payoff You get you get overstimulated first or you like edge for like hours. Hmm I I'm hey sometimes when it sneaks up on you it's great. So who knows Um, and I want molar and wolf to watch and critique the scene also high rags Uh, hello wait, what's seen oh in the hot wheels movie? No, I think they're referring to the previous thing I said Uh, desolation of smile opens with a great dragon killing scene IMO Hmm Is desolation of smell the second one wait desolate. Yeah, no Yeah, you're right because it's not his desolation comes to the beginning of the third film Yeah, the I'm pretty sure desolation of smell is the second one because I actually saw that one I remember that being a really really unpleasant theater experience Why is that? I don't know. Maybe just was boring That's fair enough Yeah, I didn't uh, I didn't get faced that much by the hobbit movies I didn't mind the first two. I didn't the third one was just all I didn't care for it I like the first one the most because I sold potential Yeah, I really like the golem bilbo scene.  Yeah, I can see two movies out of the hobbit Um, but three that's starting to stretch it Yeah There was there was lots of stuff to nitpick but overall it was just Very unimaginative in a way and just not really interesting It's like, okay And while we do so gangly like hits his shoulders on the sides all the time What is what is Waluigi's? ethnicity and nationality Also species that would be yeah, that might be a more correct. It's alien.  Italian goblet I think Or Italian it could just be willem defoe his species I'm something of a waluigi myself I'm something of a wah myself Venom one better than venom two. All right, maybe Mola, would you consider rag snow as as as an objective subject or a subjective object Objective subject, I guess what? It's a it is a subject his snow And it exists. Well, I have to go off in his way. I haven't seen his snow for a long time. I assume it still exists my snow Here's the thing about my snow. I don't have it not right now. That's okay though. No, no, no, but That's all right one day It will return to you. Yeah, it will the snow became Ice and like like a more like, you know snow is more powdery. Mm-hmm. Well, you leave it in the freezer It just basically turns into ice Um, so I let it outside where the water lives It became one with the snow loaded up I did I let it free it went up into the sky And one day it will return to me cute So here's a question for you guys How would uh shang chi Compare to like the phase three films where would it rank? Um pretty low that's pretty bad, but like Feels like a more reasonable bad than some in a black widow where it's Catastrophe is the way to save for that It's like so one of the things we talked about was like one of the first things we told rags about it was Hey, he cares about saving people in it It's like what yeah, I know that's good.  Uh, oh Hey, man, maybe setting them free is The most I mean things aren't precious because they last forever Um, I think it's a thing isn't beautiful, but there you go. Yeah, good quote. Yeah, same thing.  What do they have souls or not is I mean arguably it's even worse because then they just stop existing or gone forever All the more reason to consider them more precious and worthy protection in a way That's yeah, that's my yeah Um Maybe they go to maybe they go to like like if the prisoner dies their soul goes to just jail in space or wherever they go They still have to stay in prison After life jail I can see the problem you guys have with super chats. We've gotten definitely more than we've read just Since the super chat sections. It's a it's a curse. Um, but we we you know, we Sold your fourth. We can't your jay just highlighted except loki. You're forgetting loki.   You never have Oh, it's so frustrating but that's that's just what we're at Hi rags Hello Uh rags remember the dude that you debated about ion fury his weird political ramblings that had nothing to do with the topic We're hilarious Oh, I think I do. Yeah, that was bizarre.    But yeah, I learned the lesson.  So, yeah, it's trash Zola's alive in the hydra base from civil war. I'm not entirely sure what you mean But if they confirm black widow knew about the hydra base, that's a problem. Yeah Yeah, she didn't tell anyone that would and then say, oh, this is the thing we could do Um also high rags Hello to you and happy halloween Gosh our schedules are so full. I was just realizing like Tomorrow the day after the day after and the day after I have a stream or recordings to do along with just editing in general Best time of year The things happening I was saying to the friday night tights people they better have halloween outfits for their uh the halloween episode Otherwise, I'm gonna sue I'm preparing one right now. Actually And what's that? I don't like surprises. I must know Uh, I'll I'll give you a hint. It involves a stanley cubrick film. Ah It's expecting a guess I see Well, there is when you see it, it'll it'll be quite obvious. I think actually that's not true because there's clockwork orange So there's two So you just confirmed it's not that Yeah, I did yeah Gotcha Um smug dies in five armies. Yeah.  It's probably terrible. You get it. Yeah I'm okay with him telling us about it.   I just couldn't promise So rags were on board with putting his balls on your face. Yeah, so it's up to him If that's what you want specifically if you want stuff sprayed on your mud flaps though, I don't know Don't call them Um Making a review on what if episode four is good, the rest is horrendous wish me luck e-fap Which one's episode four again? Uh doctor strange losing son I don't like from what I've heard of the summary of that everyone keeps saying it's a good episode It's like am I missing something because it sounded mechanically fucked. How do you lose the heart? Well, it's just talking about the girly likes Oh Um Language lesson one to point one based how you pronounce Cax sticed kud A few corrections the a in cax should sound more like boff So cox cox sticed kud Okay, well played beautiful. Well played.  I'm gonna go with it I Just rewatched the joker nando e-fap and dear lord. I'm not ready for this. Also. I miss wolf send love Well, that one was worse than this one I feel like this was that was the best nando versus movies video we've watched because at least He like drew from the film.  So that's nice. Yeah, that's good It wasn't like crazy or just incoherent That's cool Um language lesson one point two tice should sound more like taste You know you're close enough and it starts to sound like something ragu would agree with Yeah, it's it's becomes. Oh, he won again I always lose the bomb one He likes shang shi, but he doesn't like joker. Remember his chris duckman level fan fiction Oh, I don't what did he say?   I have another rumble related minigame and I don't have rumble in the controller So I just have to lose So wait, wait, wait, you have to wow I randomly pressed a and I won So the idea is the your controller will rumble and it's the first person to press a after the rumble wins You got it randomly. Yeah Only the if only the computer understood how much it just got bamboozled I was gonna say the computer's on fucking hard mode Oh, I didn't get that one I think in general like the audience is really good at picking out problems in a movie but like fixes is hard because You need to understand a lot of mechanics to like really propose a fix to something All right, you have to identify something that's broken to begin with Yeah, yeah, I way prefer doing them on a really really micro like nano level where um It's just like you have a a piece of dialogue and you're like, oof that was a bit over it You could have just said blah blah blah and that would have been way more subtle and blah And you know, it's like um Some of this much easier people agree on when you go, you know Jurassic Park would be better if there was no t-rex and way more velociraptors And you're like That's just sounds like a different movie. I don't know what else to say Thanks for the inspiration Mola. I'm currently working on a shang-chi video I am Chinese and I feel insulted by the movie. Well done marvel. Oh schnizzle Um Yeah, good luck. I suppose there's plenty to work with you more or less than Milan Oh, yeah, Mulan's that's gotta be worse, right? I I think I was watching the Mulanifa movies the other day again.    Thanks. It's the best kind of transaction Play the convergence mod for Dark Souls 3 Uh, I'm not even sure what that is metal might know what that is, but uh, maybe at some point Have any of these live-action Disney movies been remotely passable? No Oh, except um, I hear Cinderella's not that bad not the net of amazon one Just oh, are we gonna watch that? Look, there's nothing on the books yet. There's nothing on the books yet.  I'm curious what I would veto I I just I just don't want to watch it. Um, it's not like a deep objection to it I'm just I have very little interest and I don't think it will be that funny Really, you don't think that it would just be so hideous it would be worth laughing at I think it would I I think it probably will be hideous enough to laugh at I think it would be very cringy though um But cringe can be funny It can that's the thing cringe is a risky Cringe she is a risky mistress. You're taking it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's right. You are taking a risk with cringe Hi rags Hello to you It's my birthday today. Just turned 26 Wow, how about that? If that makes a great present still haven't seen Shang-Chi but they wasted abomination Well, I mean, I wouldn't say Shang-Chi wasted abomination. He's in it for like five seconds and he does Punch someone or whatever. So it's just like, I mean, what it's about it. What else are you gonna get? but um It'd be fair to say that about a incredible Hulk, I guess And do can I humbly suggest iron monkey from 1993 for if that movie sometime think of the emperor moulin remake hitting people With blankets times 20 Oh That was pretty funny.  Oh, right? I thought you meant melan Um, I just the particularly funny one. I think was the emperor near the end. He did all kinds of things Not quite as funny as when he tossed her the arrow and she did a flip kick and killed the villain. That was That was A team of people would have made that it's incredible Yeah That got thought of in the first place Spoken out loud approved and then executed. So Uh, woke cringe is so forced. I can't imagine trying to create around it purel moments I don't know. I I find it could be a really interesting challenge to be forced to like what kind of restrictions a studio would give you When he said purel moments, I thought he meant like hand sanitizer and I was very confused But like, you know, you know if studio is like you have to have I don't know all of like the trappings of all that shit, but then you try and make a good story underneath it There's hope about that. You can make it work Someone out there. We'll do it There'll be one good movie in the mcu eventually guys and we'll find it Um, your fairy brand is being infringed upon rags. You should sue for damages also. Hi rags Hello to you I think rags welcomes more of his people Yeah, I'm fine with it Hi rags Hello to you. I'm considering moving to arkansas any recommendations on cities and which ones I should avoid No, honestly, I don't really have all that much inside into that Generally fun welcoming place. I imagine Good old arkansas Um forget invincible check out fx's legion I've heard a couple recommendations for legion. I want to come up now. Isn't it? Yeah I mean, it's not it's it's older than invincible too. So Or at least the first season is right. I don't know. Did it get stopped? I think it's over now.  What are you doing?  I like how even he said what donky kong And he's consciousness takes his money. What are you doing? His ape brain is not equipped to deal with your concept of morality. Yeah, he just registered that it's bowser But donky kong is a protagonist in his games. Why is he? No, now he's an anti-paganist He's an anti-hero all along anti-protagonist He's an ape hero Sethrogan laugh. Yeah I'm not ready for that Nobody is Hey crew, I hope you cou