So, many times there are installation of caddeliver sheet piles in different types of soil deposits.  So, this is also sand and this is the foundation layer, this is also sand and somewhere here you have a water table, height of the ball is h, height of the water table is hw, this is d, draw the pressure diagram, the first thing you can do it up to here is p1, now what is going to happen? There is a switch over. So, switch over from p2 to some other value for the sake of convenience I am just using the length of the sheet pile, what is going to happen further from here? So, suppose this is p4 and p3 is some fictitious term coming over here, what we have to do is we have to obtain p1, we have to obtain p2, we have to obtain p4 and the p3 which is fictitious term over here. So, this is a situation when you have sands as the foundation of the sheet pile or the embedment and the sands as a backfill material also. So, you can compute p1, if I give you the values like gamma, gamma prime you know and what else is required? Suppose z1 is known, z2 is known and then I can divide this geometrically in different parts. Let us say it is z5, this is z4 and so on. So, d equal to z4 plus z5. The basic concept here is what is the magnitude of the p3? So, this is the active pressure and this is the passive pressure. So, p4 is equal to pp minus pA at point C, that is the only thing which you have to obtain. So, we can obtain p1 easily, p2 easily. What about the p3? p3 will be a difficulty in obtaining, but suppose if I say that this is equal to the entire thing is in kp condition, passive condition, is it not? So, you have to compute the value of p3, just see how much it would be, find it out. p3 and then obtain the value of p4, you can obtain it easily. So, this is a situation when we are dealing with sands over sands. I can easily convert this into a situation where you are dealing with, let us say I can still maintain the backfill as sands, but the foundation material becomes clays. This is a slightly tricky situation. So, what is going to happen in this situation? The pressure diagram would be, any guesses? Yes, right. There is a water table over here. So, the pressure diagram up to this point is easy to obtain, right. What happens at this point? Now, you have touched the clays. So, what is the pressure at z equal to 0? And this is active situation or passive situation, you have to think of that, alright. So, how the pressure diagram would look like? The pressure diagram would be, there will be a pressure which is constant over here and then there is a switch over. Everything of this sort, this goes and meets the tip over here. So, this is how the pressure diagram looks like. This is the most critical thing. So, this will become 4C, why 4C? This is pp minus pa. So, gamma z plus 2C, alright and minus of this whole thing multiplied by kA minus 2C, alright. So, this will become 4C tau. So, that means, I can obtain this also and what about this? The total depth and then this is going to be a difference between kp minus kA. You will have to practice this. The third situation could be where I can make the whole thing more complicated when you have backfill also as a clay. So, suppose there is a backfill which is of clay material and the foundation is also clear. So, what will be the difference? When you deal with the clays, what about this portion? Exposed to the environment, no external loading. So, this is your 2C component, correct, tension crack and this becomes z naught. So, truly speaking, this portion of the wall does not experience any pressure because of being a clay material. First of all, clay should not be used as a backfill material, but here what we are doing is, it is a natural ground where we have inserted the sheet pile and then we have dredged out the soil mass to attain this much of embedment. It is not the other way. So, the moment you do this, there is a possibility of tension crack developing over here. This much portion of the wall does not contribute or does not experience any pressure from the soil mass and this is going to be very detrimental because the rain water will come and sit over here and that will apply pressure on the top of this and then you are seeing the moments are going to get increased. So, rest of the things will remain same. What we have analyzed in the previous case, only thing is this part has to be taken care of. This is a beautiful example of, you know, how to incorporate the effect of tension crack when the backfill are cohesive. So, with this, I am going to close the discussion on the sheet piles analysis and one more concept which I wanted to highlight is, this is what is known as the effect of arching action. Arching is known as a phenomena which is pressure distribution. So, whatever we have been computing so far by using the Rankine's pressure theory in different cases of the retention of the backfill material and the foundation material, this is all theoretical. Now, if you do the field studies and if you measure the stressors, how do they vary in the backfill or behind the retaining wall, the situation is going to be different. Truly speaking, what is going to happen is, if you have the sheet pile over here, what has been observed is that on the passive side, if the theoretical pressures are like this, this is as per Rankine earth pressure, earth pressure theory, theoretical pressure distribution. Truly speaking, in real life, the distribution of the pressure has been observed to be something like this. So, this is the real pressure experimentally obtained. The difference between the two is because of the arching action, that is the pressure redistribution in the pile mass which is violating the theoretical concept which we have studied so far. Now, similarly on the active side, what is going to happen is, if you plot the theoretical distribution of the pressure, this is how the Rankine earth pressure would be. There is a deviation and what has been observed is, the maximum pressure gets mobilized somewhere in the top surface. It reduces, becomes 0 at the DL level and then again it increases in this fashion. So, this is experimentally obtained pressure distribution. What we need to do is, behind the sheet pile, you have to install pressure gauges at the time of construction. You have different types of pressure gauges which are available. You can do stress monitoring, you can do strain monitoring also alright and how much deflection is being undergone by the system. You can measure by using different types of LVDT's here in the laboratory setups. In the pile you can use the deflectometers or you can use a theodolite to see how much the wall is deflecting. So, this is how the complete instrumentation can be done. So, this pressure redistribution is because of the material properties, mostly this type of redistribution of pressure is higher in case of the pure frictional material. This is their inherent property, not in cohesive slides alright. Now, this concept has been utilized to study what is known as bracing or struts. You know we have discussed about bracing and struts earlier. So, there is another application of the earth pressure theory for designing the braces or the struts to stabilize deep cuts. So, basically what we want to do is, we want to create a deep cut facility in the ground. This is the existing ground surface and you are installing sheet piles and then removing this material. So, bringing it up to the dredge level, required dredge level.


I know we normally do more check-ins and learnings and sharing that we've done, and I'm wondering if we should just do quick check-ins of how you're doing with the up-in-your-life before diving in. So what we've got is we've got our minutes reviewing our October 20th minutes that Jeremy sent. Michael, I'm just saying that this email that I sent got bumped back from you, so I will resend it, apologies. What happened is that my internet service provider, Sovranet, was down for three days, and everything was lost. Never see those memos, so, and stuff that I sent, apparently never got to anybody. So anyway, that's my excuse for being completely out of it today. And so is it still down? No, it just opened up this morning, and I expect to see a pile of stuff, but there's just nothing. So I think everything got wiped out. Okay, sorry about that. I mean, we're so reliant on our email, I can't imagine losing my arm or something. Okay, so then we'll go over, yeah, the minutes that Jeremy sent, city committee report backs, public budget survey process, and then creative discourse phase two. And then budget, going over FY 2030 budget requests, including creative discourse work and stipends for the city committee, and then looking at VHIP landlord meetings work. And so since we've got creative discourse, we've got Sue and Nadia from creative discourse here. I am wondering if we should move up the creative discourse phase two agenda item to kind of first thing after our check-ins and minute review. Does that sound okay? Cool. Okay. Well, hi, Nadia, I'm able to do an intro for you. I'm Shayna Casper. I am on Kent Street, Montpelier. And we have moved to this very early hour because I am switching jobs next week from seven years at Community Action Works, where I work with community groups studying pollution threats in our neighborhoods to working for prescription drug pricing reform, which is very exciting. And I, it's been a lot right now. And so thank you all for meeting so early. And I am, it's cold out this morning. I just went for a walk and my glasses all fogged up and everything. That's how I'm doing. Maybe I'll pass to Michael. You're also unmuted. I'm here, excuse me. I'm Michael Sherman, a member of this committee for, I guess I am the only remaining member who's been it from the beginning. So, and I've forgotten how many years that is now. And my other news is that I just was mentioning I've been in a blackout because my computer, my internet service provider was fried somehow. So that's my excuse for not being on top of stuff today. Thanks, Michael. Jeremy, you want to go? Hi, I'm Jeremy Bodry, a member of the committee resident. I'm not here on Elm Street doing okay. A little bit early. That's fine. It's good to get going early. Mostly okay. Just, you know, coded. There you go. That's it. I had a scar in my family. So with my parents and my sister's family. So I'm happy with that. I'm happy with dealing with that. But all as well. Thank you. So I hear that. Alan. Morning, everyone. I'm feeling cool. I'm a member of this committee too. I work for Norwich. I teach leadership courses and I'm also leadership program coordinator there. And I am all well too. So I'm very happy with my, one of my colleagues. We decided to review our course syllabus and make them diversity equity and inclusion based. So we are changing the language. You know, basically everything. So I'm very happy about it. Because when you dive in, you can see how many things you need to change because before that, everything seems kind of, yeah, it seems okay. There is no problem. But now we are noticing so many things. So that's all I have as in like news. So. Happy to be here. Thanks, Helen. Hi, Cameron. Hi, everyone. I'm Cameron. Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm the assistant city manager and staff support for this. Thank you for joining us. Sue and Dr. Mitchell. So I don't really have anything exciting to share, although I did find out this morning that they did go live with the website. So if you have kids age five to 11, you can get them vaccinated, which is very exciting. I'm sure anyone who has kids has been waiting with that for like bated breath. Because I don't know if I'm aware and get their kids send up. So it's exciting. That's my news for today. Thanks Cameron. Sue and Nadia. Do you want to take it away? Yeah. Hi, everyone. Hi, Shayna and Cameron. It's so nice to see you again after some time has passed. Cameron, I'm really sorry to hear that you're still. Coughing. And I hope you're not still in recovery. Okay. Yeah, I'm so sorry. It's okay. Thank you. So we, I really was excited for you to meet my my new business partner, Nadia Mitchell. We've, our team went through a year-long kind of a discernment process about what our next step should be and Nadia stepped forward into a partnership with me. So now we are a 50-50 partnership business going forward and Nadia brings so much experience and expertise to the work from her long career. And I'm just so happy that we're in the work together now. And so I wanted you to meet her this morning. So I'm just going to turn it over to Nadia. Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Sue. Cameron, I woke up to that email this morning. So it is exciting. It is exciting. And then as a parent, I also feel this responsibility to have the full dialogue with my children about COVID. And when I had that with my daughter who is fully vaccinated, she, it took her a while to make the choice to be vaccinated. Not that long, but it took her a little bit of time to really think through because, you know, there are a lot of things we're learning about COVID and whatnot. So I'm looking forward to having that conversation with my son. He's very diligent about mass querying and people being responsible.  And we will be trying to get vaccinated right away. But that is exciting. And I appreciate the work that everyone's done. I have been working with Sue for over a year at this point. I guess it's November, but creative discourse and had prior to that been working myself. I had been most recently prior to, to this business partnership working in higher education. So like the strongest part of my background is in higher education leadership. And my last role as an equity leader for Champlain College. And I am also teach. So I, so I do some lecturing, though not this semester or next or who knows when again, because we are so busy. And while teaching is my passion, I hope one of my passions, I hope that I'll be able to get back to that. But I have no idea when that will happen, because we've been, we've been lucky enough to have lots of good work, which is great. Seeing our seeing our communities in our community organizations really focusing on being more equitable and providing opportunities for inclusion and focusing on ways that they can be anti-racist and really support their, the orgs that the clients or participants, what not that they serve, but also the greater community has been a great joy. It comes with a lot of work, especially as a black woman doing this work. But I think we've been really successful with some of our partners and it's felt really great. I am, so I think that's about it. I know we have lots to do today. So I won't take up much more time, but I'll just say, you know, it's wonderful to hear about the work that we've done with Montpelier in the past. I think there's so much opportunity for, for continued work. And so looking forward to hearing from you all about, you know, your perspective on that and the direction that you're hoping to go in. Thanks so much. And then Michael, I put in the chat, I tried resending it again, and it still got pushed back. So maybe I'll just share my screen for documents. Does that make sense? Yes, that'll be good. Okay, cool. Okay, so let's just, and then Michael, can you take notes? Can you do minutes for today or, or Jeremy is? Sorry, amazing. Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you, Jeremy. Jeremy and Michael, I must need a sabbatical. Thank you both. Okay, so I will share my screen and go over the minutes real quick. So, because Michael, did you not get these at all then? I'm just really, because I never, I think sent out, sent out all the stuff until last night. And so I didn't, I had nothing, nothing. Gosh, okay. Yeah. Well, here we go. Let's um, some minutes from October 20th meeting. Scroll down. Scroll down again. Scroll down again. All right. Do you want to make a motion to approve? I'll make a motion. Thanks, Michael. Helen, do you want a second? Yeah, I second. All in favor. Hi. Any post? Nice. All right. Motion passes. Okay. Thanks all. And now let's, yeah, I don't know, hand it over to creative discourses, or maybe we can provide a little bit of a context or two. So we had a recently, you know, been in communication with creative discourses for kind of an equity audit program that was kind of going to be in two different phases. So begin to identify elements of like a shared vision for equity and anti-racism in Montpelier, by doing like an equity state, equity assessment of stakeholders by having all these different, like focus group meetings with different key, key groups and providing kind of a summary of report to the city with these key themes to be able to start prioritizing and focusing forward on. And then phase two is going to be on an equity summit in Montpelier to really start, you know, building some of that deep trust, have dialogue and work sessions, kind of while we had these like, like focus groups more siloed of kind of bringing those different folks together and having like recommendations for action plans coming out of that with like a celebration at the end. And so I think, yeah, we're kind of on the, we've wrapped up phase one that has, you know, we released that report earlier this fall or, you know, late summer, I guess, however you want to define it. And then, yeah, kind of looking at how we should be approaching the work and looking at the work for phase two, there's like a bunch of different pieces in it. And so it's kind of what to prioritize where, and just wanted to hear from you about what you're seeing as being the next steps. And let me see if I can put that in the chat button too. That's helpful. Although, Michael, you should have that from, you know, from a couple of months ago as well, the phase one plan. So I think I would love to just acknowledge that when I just look at your agenda for today and read the minutes from your last meeting, it does seem like a lot of what you're focusing on is really well aligned with what we were hearing in our conversations during the focus groups and what we heard from the survey. So that's just incredibly encouraging, that alignment. And I guess one thing I wonder is, you know, how you've been communicating with the broader community about this work, right? So I just had a question about that. Do folks know? Do folks are, have you connected the dots between all this good work you're doing and what you are hearing from the community? I feel like I can speak to that. Since, you know, this committee's work is really to make recommendations to counsel and to staff, right? So y'all came up with a recommended report, like recommendations, and my staff has taken that extremely seriously. We've built all of the recommendations. I think I don't, I can't think of any that we didn't into our departmental work plans. So those are baked in now to what our departments will be doing and prioritizing for the next fiscal year. And the council continues to put money towards this initiative showing, you know, real commitment to that. There's already been some changes on a lot of how we do business here. We're working very hard on getting language access really taken care of. It's really shaped a lot of our conversations around communication and outreach. So I think that was really our, I mean, when I say that, it doesn't sound like a lot, but it's been a ton of work. We've also done multiple staff trainings on equity and diversion or equity diversion. She's, I'm sorry, equity and inclusion did a lot of work around what those words even mean. We can't use them interchangeably. So how do we, how do we actually like learn what we're talking about? You can't walk the talk unless you don't, if you don't know what you're talking about, really try to be mindful of our staff of color and not overtaxing them. We have some new hires coming in that are people of color. And so we're taking time before they are onboarded to train our staff in anti-racism at work so that they are offering a very welcoming environment. It doesn't put stress on the person coming into the job. I feel like we're taking this pretty seriously at the city level. So it's really baked into all of our department's work plans. And there's a lot, those work plans are basically how our department heads are reviewed at the end of the year. So there's a lot of personal responsibility baked into that as well. So there is accountability measures there. I feel like I'm rambling. So I'm sorry. But I think that's sort of where we're at with those recommendations. It's also come up at council multiple times now. So that's really where those like the rubber hit the road when we're making sure that council members are on board. So I'm pretty pleased with what came out of that phase one for us on staff, staff side. So sort of where we're at. Cameron, is your sense that the community knows about all of this good and intentional work that's happening? Probably not. And that gets back to that communication thing, right? So one of the things that has come up multiple times in a lot of the studies that have happened, especially like the police review committee just presented is how are we communicating with the public? Do we catch everything? Like I put work that we're doing about equity and inclusion in our weekly report. But does anyone read that? I don't know. Our council does. Anyone in the community can, but do they? I don't know, to be honest. And so how do we get that message out of something that I think we are that that is a needs improvement sort of statement, I guess I could make about that. So no, probably not. Probably not. No. I was curious because when you when we talk about doing this convening that like Shayna said brings people together across the silos, it's just helpful people feel like the work what they've participated in so far has led to some kind of action, right? And without that, it's a lot harder to gather people together. So that's kind of what was behind the question. And I have one more question then I'll pause and see if Nadia has any questions. You know, we wrote this proposal a while ago, we did a body of work, you're moving forward. Does what we wrote still seem relevant? Do these activities still make sense given you've all been there working on the ground? We're not down there. So we just want to make sure that there's still relevance in how we conceptualize this work now that you're partway through it. I mean, other folks can chime in, but I think so. This is very helpful for us. It provides sort of like a framework to build future future work. It feels very relevant to me. I don't think anything's wildly changed. Michael, yeah. Well, I'll speak also on behalf of the police review committee, which incorporated all the material that you had that you sent to us. And I know that that has gotten the police review committee got a lot of publicity, probably for the wrong reasons. But I do know that we got reports back from Cameron on the police department's response to that. And I know that a lot of the council was enthusiastic about going forward with the least controversial ones. And it has been reported in the press. It got a lot of attention. And now there are things happening. The coffee with the cop is re-established. And it had been, or it was this past weekend at the farmer's market. The farmer's market has now closed down so until January. But I know that they've assigned one member of the staff to be the outreach person for the force. And in that respect, I think there's been a fair amount of attention to what both of those committees, both of these committees, C. Jack and the police review committee have done. And what I've heard in the community is pretty much positive. Yeah, I think we still have like, I think one of the markers that I was thinking about, too, is that we wanted, we were talking about doing a big recruitment drive for C. Jack to build out, bulk out and diversify our membership of our committee. And we decided to not go through with that until going through this process. And I think of just being like, yeah, we still haven't done that because we still so much farther to go in this process. And I think I am looking at this, I'm a little bit of me is like, oh, like phase one took a lot longer than we thought, like these, and this is pushing things out for a lot longer and kind of like, and turning it up a little bit more too, you know, and so I feel I'm looking at the next phases of this plan and being like, whoo, a lot of money, it's a lot of time, it's a lot of commitments that we're like asking of members while, you know, we're, you know, still dealing with a pandemic and still, you know, having other big priorities as a city. And so I think, I'm, I both feel like, yeah, I don't, I don't know what's like to take off or what to like turn down, but I'm those I'm feeling a little bit of that like, low, like anxiety is a very strong word, but like, like low level like, that noise instead of anxiety. Yeah. Adia, do you have any questions that you'd like to ask just based on our conversation so far? I actually really don't have any questions at the moment. I'm still just sort of, yeah, no, I think it's really clear. It was great to see that question that you asked was the one that I had. And I was, I was just thinking about how might the importance of, of really fight, you know, the intentional way that you can report out the work that's being done prior to trying to engage the larger, you know, community in additional work, right?  And I think especially for people who have already engaged, sometimes it can be, can feel exhausting or pointless if people don't see their efforts sort of showing up in, in, in, in progress. So that was really one question I had. I think I was also going to see that in one of the projects that we are working on currently, we've want a staff member of the organization had worked with us to do a series of connections with community leaders. And there an outcome of that was this person having, having a real reflection moment. And, and they shared this in a, in a, in a write up as part of the sort of the report. And it was, was meaningful in a different way was not the type of outcome that where you write up and you say, you know, I spoke to X many of people and this was a common theme that I saw throughout. And here are some recommendations that come out of that. It was a more personal reflection of the impact of being in dialogue with folks on this individual who happens to be a white man. And I think that we saw great value in that. And I don't even think we fully kind of sorted out other than like making sure that this is part of our has like a significant amount of space in our, you know, final report. And we, in some dialogue, but I don't think we fully even have really thought about, you know, what the impact of folks sharing the stories of their own personal transformations as part of work. And so I think that's one bit that I think that I've been, you know, kind of thinking about more as we, you know, as our creative discourse group, using the model transformed people transform organizations, right, and communities and right, and that means like individual work, right, we have to be doing individual work. So I'm just, I'm reflecting on that as I look through the phase two, phase two plan and thinking about how you might bring forward one, what you've already done to folks that they really have a good understanding of what's how their work is impacting, has impacted you all already and the direction that you might want to go in, and then but also like really digging a little deeper to think about how those individuals who have been working on this project are impacted by the work in individually, and then how do you weave that in as you think about what phase two will look like. So those are some of the, not so much questions, but thoughts that I have as I look at phase two. I think another question I have has to do with timing, and I don't know if you all have thoughts about that. And as the pandemic lingers on, I know we've been trying to get back in person, you know, with people. So I just wondered, you're thinking about timing. I mean, I feel like looking at Cameron, like I know I've on a friend's birthing team and I've made a commitment to not hang out with people in person till after, you know, like, and so it's just like, yeah, we're still, we're still in the thick of it.    Yeah, that that that is a very real question. Thanks. Thanks for naming that. When and is there any way to move around some of these things? But I mean, I don't I don't think so. I think it's like, you've got it, you know, it's the summit, then the dialogue, then the draft equity meeting, right? What one thing I wonder about, and, you know, just we, of course, we our plates are full right at the moment. So that's that's a reality. But I also wonder about, you know, what would it would look like if the this phase of the work kind of the summit piece got pushed back until the spring possibly, you know, or even early summer and that in this interim period that you all are just really working on creative ways to get the message out about all that you're doing, right? And just be doing that kind of work leading up to that. So I just wonder about that in terms of timing. And that doesn't necessarily mean we wouldn't work with you until then, but it could be that we're supporting you with a little bit of consulting time around ways to, you know, build some of these bridges and check in with people. This is what we're doing. How does it, you know, how do you think it's working that kind of thing while you're planning to do this kind of convening. So that's one thought that I wonder about. That was going to be my question is really, to me, on the staff side, it seems very much around creative discourses availability, right? We're doing our budgeting process now. And that is going to be quite a bit of our staff capacity when it comes to public communications and really getting people on board with the budget, not to say that that doesn't align. I think that's a good time to start talking about equity within the budget process, that kind of thing. And so early spring, summer makes sense to me that's still within this fiscal year and that's still where the money for this committee lies right now, right? Council had committed at least two years. We're going to be continuing to put ask, to put money for this committee in the budget. That's a commitment of my office to ask for it. So I don't know about fiscal year 23, but right now you do have 10K. So, I mean, whatever timing this committee and, you know, creative discourse wants to embark on, you know, staff capacity will be way freer in the spring and summer. I will say that. After Town Meeting Day. That's the best day ever. That's the new year. It's the best day. So, assuming the vote goes right. Well, I mean, I'd like to think positively, Michael. But this is a good point. Yeah, go ahead, Michael. I was going to say that one of the things that I think the committee is learning is that we have to find out who are the people and where to go to make contacts with the agencies or organizations and people that can help us decide what steps to take. For example, we talked a little bit about language access and we had to figure out where we go to find out where we can get support for that. So that was one research project. We had a meeting with people from Down Street and the question was, where do we, and the question, the issue came up about VHIP. None of us knew about VHIP, so we had to find out where to go to find out, to get information about VHIP. So, we're in a, I think in another phase of self-education in order to be able to implement some of the recommendations that came out of your report and we're slowly accumulating the information, finding out who are the people who we need to talk to next. And then we can use that information to convene smaller groups, for example, on the housing. I have made connection with the guy whose name is Sean Gilpin, who's running the VHIP project for the state. And we talked a little bit about maybe we need to reach out to landlords and have a meeting with landlords and property owners who would be affected by this. So I think that's where we are in preparation for going, for doing something big, which are to collect the contact points. That makes sense. And I think that's part of, that's a good thing also to communicate outright to the community what you're learning. And like Nadia said, not just the logistics and the resources, which is important, but also the internal work as well. And how you're all growing and understanding about what it means to be doing this work. So does that mean for, I'm just like being mindful of time here too, for kind of the next steps of recognizing, and budget-wise, right? So we've got $10,000 to work with unless we do additional fundraising, which as we've established before has been challenging. And especially without having a really clear outcome ask and not a process ask. And so although definitely we have been doing that and would be open to doing that again too, but $10,000 to work with for this until July 1st or June 30th, 2022. And so would that be folk, do you think that, how to split that up between the summit, organizing for the summit and for the consulting and kind of coaching, I should say, coaching support for this committee for getting the word out there and everything else? Yeah, I think this is where Nadia and I, so of course we're a new business now, we have a new business model. And so we do have to rework some of these proposals from before. So I think that Nadia and I have what we need to be able to have a conversation and then come back to you with a proposal and a timeframe. And it sounds like you have $10,000 to work with, so that's what we'll create something with that amount of resource in mind and keeping in mind where you all are and where you're trying to get to. And then the next conversation, that sounds great, thank you so much. And then for the next conversation that we're going into is looking at that FY23 budget, so that'd be, you know, why is it so hard for me? July 1st 2022 to June 30th 2023. And obviously I think we'd want to continue working on the, this project and wanting to continue, you know, pushing forward these proposals too. And so I know that budget conversation, you know, we're going into this right after this. And that those will probably be due, I mean Cameron just left, but they're due soon. And so would that be like just another, I think asking for another additional $10,000 would be like the easiest thing to do, you know, just keeping it consistent. But that would probably be for this next phase of small group dialogues, draft equity plan, community celebration with that additional coaching as well. And so I don't know what pieces of that would make sense for FY23 too. And I don't know if you're ready to have that conversation yet as well. Yeah. I think we, I think Nadia and I need to have that conversation. And then I think that it makes sense. Nadia, I'm just looking to you here, but I was thinking maybe we do a proposal for two years of work. And then knowing that there's, you know, again, we chunk it out in phases. Nadia, does that make sense to you? Yeah, I think it makes sense. I think the clarifying question that I wanted to ask was, when you, when you say, you know, the easiest thing would be to ask for like another 10,000. I mean, when I look at this budget here, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's more, it's more than that. So I'm wondering, are you thinking, because that's what you'll probably be able to ask for and achieve, we should be thinking about how we would phase it and that you, in other words, you wouldn't be able to do all the things here. But that is that what you're asking us to kind of think about what we could do with a 10, with an additional 10 in FY23. Is that what you're saying? Okay. And that's like, I'm glad you're back Cameron. Do you think that makes sense too? Or, or do you, do you think, you know, of, can we ask for additional funding or apply for grants for additional funding to be able to fill in the gaps there? I would say be conservative right now. We're still facing a lot of economic downturn and uncertainty. I think while $10,000 doesn't sound like a lot, most committees have no budget ever, right? So I think that's conservative. And if there's any way to get more that we can try. But I think asking for a continued 10,000 each fiscal year for right now and then try to get grants to build on that, I think is a conservative way and a safe way to continue to get that funding, right? For this work. So yes, it would be, I think it would be advisable to ask, you know, Sue and Nadia to figure out what work can be done within that constraint and then whatever we can build on top of that, we can build on top of that. Okay. And when do you need this?  Cameron, for the budget. Oh, well, I'll just be asking for it. You have a phase two already to support that. Obviously, I think that would change a little bit. But I have the backing documents and I don't need anything for that. Sorry, that's why I was quiet. I was like, I guess we're putting it into the FY23 budget. We can just put that in without like a proposal or anything. Yeah. You've already given that proposal. You've already given that proposal to council and they knew it was going to be multi-year. So great. Okay. Well, Nadia and I will look at this because as I was saying, Cameron, I think you may have left the room. But so, you know, we have a new business model now and that is impacting our price structure and everything a little bit. And so I just want to talk with Nadia and make sure this all makes sense. And so we'll have some kind of communication with you about the next phase and then our thoughts about the phase after that, especially if you're thinking that this ask over the next several years is going to be consistently around that certain $10,000 mark. Okay. That would be great. Thank you. And we're also not holding y'all hostage, right? You know, our contract does not need to be if y'all are out and we need to rebid this work that we totally understand that. So thank you for being flexible enough to even consider this sort of work. So appreciate you. Of course. Of course. Well, I'm so pleased that the work that we did and I know the police committee did a tremendous amount of work. And so it's just really great to see that the work is being taken seriously. And Cameron, it sounds like you've done a lot to lead at the municipality level to make sure the work is integrated. So that's a good way to start the day. Thank you so much. Thanks, everyone. We'll be in touch soon. Take care. Bye. Bye. Nice to meet you. You too. Awesome. Okay. Should we dive into the public budget survey process and communications needs kind of as the next? Yeah. I don't have any updates really quickly. That has not been shared. That has not been finished or shared yet. As soon as it is, I think that it would make more sense to talk about it when that's done. I was trying to pull up the budget timeline, but I got distracted. So hold on a second. Oh, no, that's not what it is. Okay. I don't know where it is. Well, no, I think we can circle back on that two weeks. It's not that urgent or yeah, okay. So then should we move into the budget request and including creative discourse work and stipends for city committee. So I think for creative discourse work, it sounds like budget in 10,000. And if they come back with a proposal that's more, we'll renegotiate the work and or apply for grants and or other creative solutions. Does that sound good? Anyone have any concerns with that? And then stipends for city committee. So I'm going to share my screen again. And then Cameron, do you want to talk about it a little bit? Yeah, I can. So there's a lot here. So I'm trying to, I found out, ironically enough, that there's far more committees than even I was aware of, because there's quite a few ad hoc committees that haven't met in the time that I have been here. And so, you know, there's been a lot of digging. So you see a lot in red and that stuff I need to confirm because there wasn't any clear documentation that I could find that said this is how many times are going to meet a year, right? And I want to make sure that this is a pretty accurate accounting of all of the things that people volunteer for. So some of this will maybe move around as I get more information. But on average, it's a lot more than we had anticipated. So on average, I took an annual average amount of meetings that any given committee may have, what their schedule was, how many members are in there, and then budgeted $50 per because that was the recommendation. Now you can see that as well over $100,000 a year. Obviously, some people will not accept a stipend. But the idea is that it should be available to everyone, right? So I also gave some breakdowns of what it would look like at different levels of stipends. Even though I know the recommendation was 50, just to be more realistic with what our budget constraints are right now. So that's really what it is. This would be, I wish Lauren was here today because I really want to know what she thinks about what process we should go through for presenting this or if this would be enough for me to take this to our budget Congress and ask for this to be included. I just don't know what she would want to do. So there's a couple of different steps you all could take. You could take this to Council yourselves. We could write it in a memo to send to Council. I could bring it myself to pitch in a budget Congress and bring it to Council. Maybe just like before going into process real quick, just like any initial reaction. Can we just call it real quick? Yeah, that's done because I did. I looked at this too and I was like, as it was like $30,000 or like $100,000? Is that just because we have more committees or more members on committees? We have a lot of committees. Okay. This is an aggressive amount of committees. You know what's interesting to me, just an initial reaction is, you know, this is the labor that helps our city function. So if you think about just that and all the free labor that has now been involved in doing so much good work in the city, it's just an interesting highlight on how things get done, how a community functions. So in just irrespective of the right number, it's just a really interesting thing to see because so much labor is hidden. And so it's not perfect. It's not like an exact like our value to dollar amount, but it's just I'm really interested in it as a conversation starter for sure. So I want to add something. I was wondering what is the expectation of city from committees to meet because they are meeting like different like quarterly, monthly, twice a month. So if there is a specific time for meeting, maybe you can put that one. And if the committees are meeting extra, and you don't have to offer, I don't know, you know, something like that. Maybe affect the budget positively, but I don't know the rules or anything. So I just want to mention this. Helen, you are looking at a rule list, lawless land. There is not any sort of preconceived schedule for anything, honestly, for when it comes to committees because they're volunteer based, right? So and most of them are council created. So council could say, for instance, with the police review committee, you're going to meet from X time to X time, and we expect something at the end of this. So it's kind of up to the members to determine how often they're going to meet to reach that goal for council, right? Most of them schedule their own meetings, like y'all have changed how often you meet or when you meet, you know, the only legal requirement is that they're noticed in a certain amount of time. So people know that the meetings are coming up. So that would be that's why I said sort of schedules like the annual average number of meetings, because some people meet a ton. And then some people meet once or twice a year at most, right? So it would be easier if there was a standard, yeah. Because because there is a kind of standard in the members number, right? So I think no, no standard. Okay, I tell you again, a building code of two members and then the advisory committee is 12. Oh, yeah, I thought the numbers are coming from the city. Okay, got it.  That's not included in this, you know, for, for, because it's just meeting time too, you know. Yeah. And then I also just want to think too, like, this is the max number. And so right, like, this is definitely not going to be the full, you know, this is not like, not all of the numbers will be on it. They won't have all of the meeting, you know, like just for that number stuff too, you know, and then also it's not including all of that other hidden labor that Jeremy was just talking about of, you know, that it's not, yeah. Yeah, those are some of my reactions, I guess, too. But Michael, I feel like you have the most experience on like lots of different types of city committees. Do you have any, like, reactions to? No, I am impressed by seeing the full number, although I every said, every time I go to the, the city's website and I look at that list of committees, I see, oh yeah, there are a lot of committees here. You're right, the committee time commitment varies enormously depending on the committee. And committees that I've been on, unfortunately, only one that I recall required a lot of back, a lot of preparation time. But the rest of them, you know, you need to put in a lot of time. And what are we, and the question is, what are we, what are we, what are we trying to accomplish by doing this? Do we want to be able to give people who might need help, for example, with childcare, some, some extra cash to handle those so that they can attend the meetings? That's, that's one thing. Are we trying to reward participation? That's a whole other thing. And it does, I think it all, I think that erodes the sense of public, the notion that this is public service. And, and I think we have to be careful about that. So that's all I can say about it. It is, it is an impressive number to think that, well, there's a maximum of $102,000 that could be used up. I'm, I'm pretty confident that that would not be anywhere near what was actually asked for. But if our, if one of our goals is to try to pull people in who, who feel that they have not the resources, the financial resources to be able to devote that time, that we need to push forward with something. Yeah, and I think that is like our one and only goal here. You know, like I, I, from, from my perspective, like I think it is about how can we make sure that people who want to be able to participate in committees be able to, right? And so like, yeah, if people want to use that for getting childcare or parent care or what, you know, like, or just, just to be able to take the time away from work or, you know, like whatever, just to make participating excessive, like more accessible, I guess, recognizing this isn't going to solve all the problems by any means, but that it's like one step that, you know, we can do to help try to make committee participation more accessible. But that's, yeah, thanks for naming that. Yeah. I think this is important. I think this is important because one of the the complaints that we're hearing nationally is a little government is too much in our face. And what, when you look at a chart like, chart like this, what you see is government is us. Right.  And in order to make that stick, I think it's important to have something like this to allow more people to, to join in this effort and take away the barrier of there's government and there's people and then there's the citizens. And I think that that's a very important path to try to follow. One thing I really, this is great conversation. I really appreciate everything you're saying, all of you. So I'm just wondering too, in terms of process, like if we approach this in the spirit of a prototype, something we want to test out as a small scale, it seems palatable to just in terms of the overall budget, the city's trying to do, and also just testing against what we want this program to do for committee participation, making sure folks who maybe wouldn't participate, could participate through a program like this. So I'm wondering if that's where we get into some kind of more constraints around, you know, is it only certain committees? Is it, I don't want to put more hoops to jump through, but for example, is it an income declaration? So there's a cap. I don't know what those parameters are, but in, in the spirit of keeping it small and manageable as a test, a pilot, I wonder what we could propose to council. Okay, so now we're going into the process. Yeah, here we go. Go ahead, Cameron. Well, honestly, that makes sense to me is a pilot program. And then it's very easy to see, does that increase the folks who are applying for it? Does it help increase the diversity of who is applying for the committee seats? Maybe, maybe in the pilot program, you can, or the city can ask, do you want to support financially when you spend time in the committee? Some people will say no. So it should be optional, right? Because as Michael said, I always think that it's a public service. So doing it voluntarily is like make, makes me feel better about myself because I feel I'm contributing to my community. So maybe they will say, no, I'm, I'm okay to do it. And some people, yeah, I want to do, but I need for like, as we mentioned, childcare or other reasons. So maybe it will be also good for us to see who needs and who doesn't. Well, I do have a meeting with committee chairs on Monday. Shayna, you got that invite, right? No. Okay. Well, I don't know why not. So I'll figure that out. But it's to remind everyone about open meeting laws. So I'll mention it then as well. Great. That would be awesome. Okay. So I reckon I'm just also recognizing we're getting close on time here. But does that, do we feel like we have a good right next steps here? Like what is, what is the timeline that we would need to make this decision is another question? Okay. I was not like, well, I guess when is, when is the budget? Can you remind us on when the budget process is for FY23? Right now. Okay. So I think this is something I can certainly start floating in the conversation. I would need, it would need to, we would need to make that a priority of our next meeting with y'all to sort of figure out what you'd want to put forward to stay within the timelines if we want to change it other than like wholesale. Here's what the recommendation is, right? Yeah. If this is useful, I would be willing to kind of draft some, just guidelines for how we might like present a pilot sized program around this that we could have something at least to just start with the conversation. Hey, Lauren's here. Sorry. I just stopped sharing my screen and I saw that. Didn't hear you join. Sorry about that. Sorry, I just popped on. Sorry, I'm running late. Um, Jeremy, I think that would be great. And I think just like, do we want to have just a second of like, do you think like, sticking with like a $30,000, like working backwards from a cap or you, you will think about that or maybe like and present like some ideas or proposals. Maybe it's just, I mean, a few different options with the goal, of course, of being to like having a budget number that is, you know, feasible. And I don't know, maybe Cameron, you do have a ballpark number that could be a target. No, I'm sorry. Yeah. So some options would be, yeah, Michael. We were using the $50 per meeting because that's what Essex did. Do we know if Essex has the same number of committees as we do? That's what Cameron was saying as they have a lot less. Yeah. So I mean, I think we, I think it would be wise to, to retreat from the $50 goal because it's, it's infeasible, I think, with, with the number of committees that we have. Maybe it's a more modest figure that would allow, allow people at least to offset some portion of, of what they spend in, have to spend in cash to attend. And just, just looking at the reality of what we've got here, of this large number of, of committees, large number of people, and obvious limitations on that. You guys started to like jump in late on this, like from some experience with like committees that have started doing this more and more, like we found like not many people actually do take it. Right. I'm like, like, obviously we would need to budget a maximum in case everybody all of a sudden decided to, but I don't think most people would. So like, I would rather make it feasible for people to attend with something that actually like works. And then, and see, like, are we getting massive uptake or not? Like, we had like a huge fight about this for the climate council that the state's running and like got all this money allocated and then like, almost nobody's actually using it, which is fine, but it's there for anyone who does want it and like the way it's offered matters and stuff. But like, so how about how about sending a survey to the active members and ask their opinion? Can give us some kind of feedback? How many people will want this or think that it's a good idea? The issue that I have with that is I feel like the goal of it is to bring new members on who hadn't been able to participate. And so by just working backwards from the members who we currently have, we're not going to be getting that good data, you know, of like what would be the most helpful. Okay. So I need to leave. Sorry. Thank you. It is nine o'clock and we didn't even start looking at all of that. Michael's really important work on VHIP and the landlord meeting follow up. Michael, is it okay if we just if we punt this to the 17th? Is that okay? I mean, the last, I don't know what got from me because I don't, my email stuff is always messed up. But I had suggested that the next meeting, the 17th, he would be here, but I'll contact him and say we have to push that off. He's okay with that because he thinks that actually looking a little bit better, longer down the road would give him more information. So I'll just let him know that we're not going to do that on the 17th, but we will get back to him as soon as we have some dates to offer. Cool. So let's look at the 17th, we will circle back on the stipends. We will look at the public budget survey process and communications needs and dig into VHIP landlord meetings follow up. And then on December 1st, we will have hope, we'll circle back too, but of having VHIP folks come to give us a report back. That sound good? Awesome. Thank you all so much. Did you you got the documents that I sent to the two about what the law is? And is that circulated to everybody? Yes. I did just send it last night though. It's like I feel like over every year, like the day that I send out the, you know, I like gets, you know, now it's like eight hours before the meeting I send it out. So I apologize for that. And I don't know what to say. It's like I'm going to work on it. So thank you for sending it, Michael. Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Thanks all. Yeah. Thanks so much for all of your work. This was a good meeting. Feeling fired up. Okay. Bye. Bye.


T F N N headline news update Welcome folks. We have the down industry was trading down ten NASDAQ is off six S&P's up three and a half Go contract up twenty six dollars fifty cents at seventeen seventy eight now gold go back in its higher range again folks bottom line We're going to upside silver finally got a bid out here silver's up fifty six cents trading at twenty three dollars sixty eight cents Announce light-suit crew down a buck twenty one sixty seven dollars eighty eight cents a barrel notes and bonds pretty amazing They will not only want higher price folks. We're talking about this, you know technically and fundamentally Bottom line what a bid out here in the note and bond market You have the ten year right now up a half a point trading at one thirty three thirty the thirty year is up a full point and a half at 16413 and bottom line they continue to want higher price lower yield You take a look at the yield on the ten year right now. We're at one point two nine and King dollar King dollars out 517 chicks trading out at ninety two five eighteen euro at one seventeen Yen at one oh nine point five nine of the British pounds at one thirty eight to one US dollar We get up and we take a look at the spy we to have an out here folks in the spy You're just laying at all-time highs This is like groundhog day folks. Okay, there's no doubt Because what we have today is light of all you again, you know, but you got some volume out yesterday yesterday We did thirty eight million we're only twenty three million right now And the x100 we take a look at the end the x now with the end the x had done yesterday That a rejected lower price had lighter volume now. Guess what you just the opposite you went to a high You get a contraction of volume that is dramatic today. We're talking about 14 million and we had made highs out there We're twenty one million you've rejected lower price at twenty six million so the bottom line is that you don't have buyers No, do you have sellers? That's the real bottom line gold gold contract Inside it's higher range. This has been a good move by gold. It looks like it was a total shakeout at the Lowe's 1772 is the number to get back inside the higher range.  It wants higher price We go over to the dollar. We take a look at the dollar. That is a move lower today with conviction 514 that's a half a penny and if we go for folks that are in the metals market get over and take a look at this yen You're gonna see this yen is moving in our way, man The yen is coming down fast and furious. You're down 81. You're trading at 109 60 It's gonna go after this lower swing point out here of that 108 73 stare at their folks come right back


So a really good morning here for us. I like Oracle, but I think we watch the spy. So this is what we should do today Simply because it's the best thing to do It's gonna go we're gonna fall today It's a nice raid here. It's happening Perfectly, so I'm debating how wide I'm gonna be with a stop here That is the thing Let's do 443 30 I don't have the entry up Oracle is no volume. So that's off for now 443 30 Let's do 55 by 30 can't get a better stop than this 55 by 30 It's gonna go there getting it right now get the stop in at 30 and we have a lot of targets today We got 442 we got 441 440 in this fight today is a real target not crazy 440, I don't know what time it gets there and I don't know if I'm holding it to there Let's just get a one quick trade here be in and out and done Oracle's good Oracle's lower or it doesn't have a volume right now though. Here we go spy spy spy spy spy spy I did see the square we can quickly look at it Square is wiggly jiggly square looks like it open late Spy is the one to do this is the best gap When we're done, we'll go over it if we have time Don't want to get crazy today There goes no video video video There goes no video we could we could have done this today we can revenge traded this today actually I think that's just a heck of a lot easier to do Heck a lot easier to do as an option Not just because of the price point, but because it was so wippy yesterday. It's like a Whip monster It's tempting though See what Apple's doing Apple isn't cooperating yet this week and still could be part of the issue With the cues, but it's not gonna Effect this I don't think today, but let's look 932 Everything's out today.  I don't think it needs it. So we stop to wait Anything else going on anything else to do BA fell into the close yesterday Everything pretty much did BA is backing up Let's take a look at the rest of the things Microsoft. I like today Microsoft. We could do Microsoft We could do right now We could have done this if we had will we have been out? No Well, we might have I don't know this was a dollar look this was on my radar today, too. I Might have got out of it. I don't know. It's hard to say now. We can still watch Microsoft You can still watch Microsoft and we're in this Let's just take it easy today one thing at a time, but I do like Microsoft It's hard to believe anyone's buying this And yet they are So we would have done nothing today if we didn't have the market because there really wasn't anything to do And there was no earnings of any consequence last night Again, it could be a slow week except for the Fed meeting and then market related picks I'll look at what's out for tonight 100% conviction and no chance of failure the market's gonna fall today You either take this trade and you believe in it or you step aside and wait and see how it plays out See if I'm right see if I'm wrong But that's the whole point of taking risk and taking a trade and we gave this Such a big stop. We could give it another 20 cents. I really don't think it needs it Azo I looked at I didn't like but I can look at it again to see if it did something different it has Absolutely, no volume and it also is $2,429 for once share So I thought I did I didn't know if you really were serious about this Greg not in this are you I mean I did look at it, but I never trained this but I looked at it because you mentioned it this morning but it has no volume and the spread is like What is the spread exactly the spread is about 26 Great, you're what could you do in this you could do an option, maybe I wouldn't even do an option. It's something that thin though That's the bugaboo market market market market You know, we're gonna add we're gonna add at 442 49 We're gonna take more of this. We're gonna bang this sucker out today But we could have done Microsoft and if we had we probably would have been out But we could still do this here, but oh, yeah, let's look at it. Greg's reminding me What's going on with this strike? The strike is still on if it wasn't we would have heard news I'm surprised these things aren't tanking yet strike is still on It's on baby Look at Ford I'm surprised these haven't had a more of a negative reaction. That is unusual Actually, these look just look like they're going with the market today open lower reversing right now Nothing to trade in these things I do find that interesting Yeah, that's strange We could have done that yesterday I think you always need conviction to train because obviously you're risking money But in this market particularly and when I say this market, I say all of 2023 You know All of 2023 it started the year started out bullish that made no sense to me bit me in the bud recovered Focus focus focus We went long. We went short. We went long went short. The longs are over Kaput see Kaput see what the longs But there are still people here that are trying to buy this market They're not going to survive Time of the day is 939 And I'm still watching Microsoft That would be 327 30 Still watching Microsoft. Should we give this by 50? Just don't even think it's going to I don't even think it's going to need it I just don't want to get thing down and had this go on to work Let's put it at 443 50 new stop Microsoft. I'm not Microsoft. I'm sorry spy And I'm still have my eye on Microsoft Spy stop why did I think today would be easy? I do think we follow but obviously it's 940. We're waiting This isn't coming as easy as we thought why people want to buy the dip people want to buy the bit dip People want to buy the dip they're trying to buy the support the support that we're looking at right in here They're trying to buy it. Why is it not going to work? Why is it absolutely going to fail 100 second eviction will fail will fail today I hope it fails soon Biden's at the un And I have to go I have an appointment friday. When are they leaving? traffic's Terrible terrible on the east side We did gap down. That's true People are buying the support But why am I saying That we're really lower Talk it through while i'm looking to see what else is going on here. I didn't get into Microsoft yet. I'm waiting I was talking out loud 100% eviction 100% eviction have conviction in what you do 100% conviction and no chance of failure the market's going to fall You put the stop being you take their risk and take the trade We gotta double check Oracle. I should have more buy-in starbucks Is downgraded we have to look at that August housing starts sank I knew that that's that No, nothing new Nothing new at all in the world. That's a beautiful fall day too. I want to be done fast I want to go for a part walk 100% conviction and no chance of failure We are lower. We are lower They gave them more room and we didn't even need it at under 50 Oracle i'm gonna look at I wish there was something else to do but there isn't this is lower We could have shorted this yesterday. I forgot about it. We looked at it. We talked about it And then I forgot about it. We should have done this yesterday morning We should have We should have done it So why don't we go home free? You gotta get some traction here 944 We're basically flat gap down and open what we're flat. Let's see where we open We're starting to go red. We open at 442 68. We're basically flat We've got to go red. We got to fall.  We didn't go anywhere the whole day from 11 o'clock until One o'clock we went nowhere and then we started selling up into the close So it was a nothing burger day yesterday No, there's no more data out anything that happens today is Whatever the fed happens to say any statements anybody any says thing on tv biden may be talking today at the un There's no more economic data today People speculating about the fed for tomorrow's My guess will be any news. We put this at 443 50 And we could even put it at 60. I mean I just It's it held 30. I just Just got to sit here and watch it This isn't easy I thought it would be easy But it is going to fall So we didn't do the ad yet and if you didn't do it you wanted to wait you can Let's see what else we got going on So the only fast trade today was the microsoft if we had shorted it and got in and out quick That would have been a nice fast quick trade And I don't I think I would have gotten out probably just because it's not already season just because of the market just because of everything here today I probably would have done it got quick out just to have a fast quick trade This is still lower, but again right now the market isn't ready to break yet It's trying we didn't do the cues we could I don't know where I would have put the stock probably over 370 I did not want to do more than one thing today And I'm not going to so this five was the one thing that I really really liked yesterday. We watched Watched it all day else is going on dish with dish Stitch fix was too cheap. It was down. We can look at that, but we're not trading it This is rallying. I don't know why Stitch fix it looks like it pushed back Yeah, just pushed back. No, we weren't going to do it. It was way too cheap, but the vine's there actually look That's like what happened to jackie square jackie square is trying to go now It's You could do this here if you want if you didn't do the spy you could short this here with the stop I put it at 15 90 a dollar 90 by 90 if you want to do the square right in here go for it Go for it if you want it Target's probably 47. That's tempting, but it's going already This is very tempting over the time of the side.  I never thought it was a good idea I just didn't think it was an idea Wearing somebody else's clothes Oh, you did think it was a good idea Oh, you did do it. You did the trade it's tempting here, but Yeah, the spy is expensive. It's expensive and you could buy put in it. It is pricey. It's been all year So it was accused Cues actually look weaker today on the spy We're gonna fall We're gonna fall like this is not even like maybe I said it all morning, but I thought it would be easier than this It's 9 50. We're sitting for 20 minutes. We're in the trade. We will fall today Absolutely I don't know where we go, but that's why I said you must have conviction Apple's going certainty I don't know what this thing's problem is. I have no idea. I've been waiting for this to fall again It doesn't want to do it. Eventually it will I don't know what this thing's problem is Attempting to do two trades and this should we do it? Crap Let's do square two. Let's do square two. Put this stop at 90. It's a dollar 10 from here It's ridiculous not to do it. It's falling. No one's gonna buy this No one in the world's gonna buy this. This isn't like the market people are trying to buy the market But the bears are coming in This no one's gonna buy so do it if you want it. We'll scalp it get out of something Last minute decision We're in two things now I want to do a park walk And now I'm in trades All right. What do you want to talk about? What do you want to go over? I'm in two things. Let's look at what's out for tonight We got a way for these things to go So it's a very tricky market Why? Because nobody can agree on anything can't get two people in a room to agree on the fed inflation Interest rates are anything else. It's one of the reasons you see so much indecision in the market Royal Caribbean. Let's look at nothing out tonight We weren't going to do greats million dollar autos out General Mills is out tomorrow morning. We can look at that. Wow tomorrow, september 20th, and then after that it's fall You could still do this if you want This is this is hanging on by forever. You can still do it one push here through the low It's gonna go if you want to still do square you can One day again one day if we don't trade Next week maybe to follow me something We'll rate the gap here in the market. We're not doing that today Today could be a long day through an options waiting for this drop to situate itself But one day some day in the next couple of weeks We'll have a day. We don't trade and we can rate this market that and that's what we should do That's actually what we should do really We're gonna fall It's like insane all morning But you could easily not believe me because of the way we push back 17 times But this isn't like I even I did a webinar last night and we rallied We were green when I was talking and I said this were weak So I I knew the market was weak yesterday even though we were green I was sitting here waiting to short it all day There we go Sometimes things take longer than you think Oracle is good Oracle is good square. Let's take a look at Microsoft is ready Not yet, but it's gonna get down Anyway stitch fix. I didn't think it was a good idea because you're buying outfits. It gets shipped to your house Then you return it then somebody else is getting that close You could say well, it's kind of like an apartment store. You go into the department store And then you try and close somebody else tried on I get it, but they didn't wear it That was the part that I didn't I don't know I didn't know exactly how it worked because I never did it like to read between the lines, but People could be wearing the clothes then returning it There was something about that that Wasn't crazy about that idea There's too much and there's also too much returning Jackie People are spending money that they're returning Then they get a refund then the company didn't make any money like you know what I mean And it isn't paying returning stuff that you order online that's clothing I mean I do that. I've been doing it. It's easier to go to the store though. It really is just as you try it on You see if it fits you don't buy it if it doesn't fit Whereas sometimes you're like, okay, I think I might like this and then you buy it And then it doesn't fit then you gotta return it Then you gotta call and get the label then you gotta put it on then you gotta go to the place I mean here actually they do come pick up They do come pick up except for the post office I have to walk it at the post office or the the doorman will do it And then they charge me to walk it You don't like the idea. Yeah Okay target in square is 49 or anywhere close to it Or if we're in the spine we gather the spine with money. We'll just get out of this with money once it breaks Spies should help that to go Let's look at the banks any questions from anyone about anything at all Beautiful day here in new york can't wait to get out for a walk wanting to take a walk this morning after the room We'll see what time I can get a walk in I want to feel the crisp air Jpm is up. I don't know why Goldman is up.  Who's in the spy? Who's in the day trade? Who's in the puts? Man, I called trades so late yesterday.  You knew my bias for today as soon as you got those trades Is it up? Melissa, thanks for going to be down tomorrow morning You're in all of them Greg. Greg's in all of them Let's see if anything else is going on quickly quickly quickly I think I'm gonna talk today about anything that could screw something up Because they are at the un Okay, of course we're in square now and it looks like it's not moving We could have done the cues and the spy This looks like it's gonna fall off a cliff any second Here we go spy Shit, I forgot to add here. We can add right now. We can add right now. I forgot to add at 49. Damn it Thinking about the square There you could take more of this right in here if you want it. It's still close to where we were Close to our original Take it if you want it You didn't do it. You could do it 442 and a flush boom Target for this by today is 440 And then where do we go after that it's going to depend on tomorrow Because normally I'd say here here here here and here But again, we have the fed tomorrow. It's not till the afternoon. We got 24 hours to go Until that meeting even takes place. So who knows if we have a massive move to the downside today I'd love it. I'd love it. I'd love it. But will we I don't know So again tomorrow is two o'clock or whenever he's talking. It's a long time away It's more than 24 hours So that's the thing Square is a snail So if I got a big flush and spy I might kill the square. I don't know this square isn't moving since I did it It's been in a range of 10 15 cents Here it goes There there's microsoft cues q q So the one thing we haven't been trading because it hasn't been setting up right is tessa We can look at it here today, but it just hasn't looked good to me This is like the opposite of nividia. I pulled out nividia friday. I said, uh, it's gonna fall Tessa I pulled up yesterday. I said Let's look at it today There's a nothing burger, but it does have volume. It's probably red with the market. Let's look Microsoft's good Microsoft is still good We would have been done for the day if we done microsoft though out of the gate The spy is the best trade those flies the one Let's look at this and it's taking forever Wow, my internet must be so slow or it's the charts So this is falling. Yeah Tricky today here rallied first, but this is lower I'm just not crazy about that Okay, what are we doing with this? Here we go Shelly, I hope you're in the spy. Shelly. Are you here? Shelly, are you here today? I see you Shelly didn't do the nividia Hope you did this So this is this is a nice fall Give that give yourself a round of applause if you did it and waited for 15 minutes for that ugly green tally bar and stayed with the train And stayed with the conviction Here we go. Here it goes. Again. I don't know why this is happening other than that. I knew that it would We get out of this we get out of this right here. We call it a day right here Here here. Let's watch it down to 441 Here one more push in this we're going to get out of this day trade Let the options drop one more push one more push one more push. Come on Then I might just kill the square 54 Then I can go for a park while I'll come back and the market will be A huge megalodon red bar. That would be gorgeous. It'd be wonderful 54 One more push one more push one more push And don't you dare go over 70 I don't want this to go over 70 Here we go. Here we go new air 52 It's it's moving so fast. You can almost not even see it. No, I thought I hit 52 was 54 I swear I saw 52. Let's go You can get us right here though. You could I want this to go over 70. I know it's lower though Hard to hold it, but it's lower here. It's a good trade right in here right now We did the ad Just at the right time too because I wouldn't be doing it here It's like it's square Square is a still Hand of the bun here for spy one more push in the spy And I might just kill the square boat. Don't do do do Yeah here look beautiful Done Nice day and again 440 today in the spy 440, but it's easier to hold the options Great job. Just let it rock and roll now. Let's look at this square and figure out what we're doing She we're back to normal fast trades gosh So nice these holding stuff has been ridiculously stressful um this This should be falling with the market. It's not I do think it's slower, but I don't want to sit here and wait for this for 80 cents What should we do? any questions So we get one more push in this get out and make a little bit before I'm gonna kill it I think any questions about the spy any questions about anything at all everyone should be up Nvidia gotta give it give it some time apple reversed Q's are going Microsoft's going this square Any questions from anyone about anything at all? But a good day today. Let's have a good day tomorrow


Not started on time. My last question for you, what industries you think will make more workers in the future? Local community, local industry, look into your local communities gang. Really? Build up a network. Don't try to get into with large multinational corporations because they're ruthless, they don't care about their workers.  My recommendation to people, if you really want to be stable and make sure you're protecting yourself and your family, look into local community and see what's available there. The other thing you need to do is look into what industries are collapsing and see where there's a void that you can fill, that you can provide a service or a product to fill that void. Things are changing and make sure you're not dependent on cheap money to be able to live, to be able to function. It's just the way it is. And by the way, I don't think technology, trying to get into these big tech companies is going to be a good place. A lot of those tech, like I wouldn't hire anyone, anyone that has been working for, I mentioned this before, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, like if I had a company, I would not hire anyone that has been working for Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon for a long time. I would not hire them. They come with a lot of baggage, a lot of privilege, right? They might have a serious woke agenda that they don't want to indoctrinate everyone with.  They didn't live in the real economy. They were a cog in a wheel and that machine has broken. Forget about trying to take cogs from machines that are broken and fit into your business model. It's not going to work.


OK. Hello, everyone. My name is Miko Lomo-Jvenko. And I'm lead platformer 3 at Adobe at Cloud Division. And we do run OpenStack. So let's talk about upgrades. Because upgrades, like, it's something that a lot of people are afraid of. Because you can't easily switch and do exact and already OpenStack installation. Especially if you're not running multi-issue deployment. And every forum, every OpenStack forum, people are discussing challenges that they faced. So not every upgrade is like the same. They're all different, based on your deployment type, based on your customization, and based on the type of business you're doing. So let's talk why do we need it, and what they aim to solve upgrades. First of all, the key motivating factors for any upgrade should be, let's say, performance, security, and some key features that you miss. And for us, at some point, years ago, the key motivating factor was that release that we used was already not supported by the upstream community. It was end-of-life release. And whenever we need something new, or we had to patch something, so we had to do by our own. Without the help of a community. So another significant improvement was operating system upgrade. So imagine that today you're installing a new operating system and replacing your two years or three years old with a new kernel, new functionality, and, of course, you're upgrading OpenStack. So OpenStack, as well, new release provides you more functionality and more features that you missed. And as well, based on the last two years of experience, it's any upgrade, mostly like any major upgrade, it solves a lot of vulnerability issues. So there are mostly two main strategies to upgrade your OpenStack. One of the popular rolling upgrades. And so it means that you're upgrading your OpenStack environment one by one, step by step. And in place rolling upgrades requires to shut down your services, your OpenStack components, which is not always acceptable for people, while side by side can all be to minimize the downtime, the possible downtime. So from my personal opinion, everyone will find his own pros and cons for any type of upgrade. So it's based on your current situation, on your current specific. But in our case, I do see that rolling upgrades has the fastest way to do any upgrade, because you're basically not relying on anyone else, except on yourself, like OpenStack operators. And there is another good ability that it's not always required before the upgrade to migrate your resources, like VM. If you can afford VM downtime for a couple of minutes, so you can do it without migrating your resources, which is another key issue for some people, because they limited incapacity, or there is no room to do live migration, or no ability to do it. But cons, I mean, that's probably mostly what prevented us to do it this time. It's like service interruption. Imagine a situation when you have like a high traffic. I mean, I'm saying like, gigabits of traffic, like 50 gigabits, and you can't stop it. So you can stop it, but you lose your business. So sometimes, so you need to choose between two e-mails, what you will choose. Choose to lose your business for some period of time, or try to figure out any other solution, any other way to upgrade it. And maybe the most complex upgrade, it's because of DB migrations, and like, yeah. So downtime is key like a blocker for us in this case. And like complexity as well, so components, if you were trying to upgrade something like five years old to something like up-to-date, so you will always have some challenges, because compatibility and complexity, because every opposite deployment is different. Parallel deployment, this way all of you basically do not touch existing OpenStack installation. So basically imagine that you have a data center and the same physical equipment, but what you're trying to do, just basically you're deploying another OpenStack like installation alongside with the old one. And this way of upgrading OpenStack is the simplest one, because you're not scared about like mess up with like DB or any other configuration, because you're existing hardware, it's hosting like your existing workloads and you're not touching it. So this method allows you basically to do like upgrade without service interruption. What does it mean? You're not stopping Keystone. You're not stopping metadata, for example. So basically everything is available for you. You're just trying to like create another release and trying to migrate workloads from an old installation to a new one. Yeah, it's kind of hard, because for this method you need to have like extra hardware, which is not used, that you can leverage for your new OpenStack installation. And still like downtime could be different, because in this case you're basically trying to migrate resources, which is not easily doable like SLI migration. So you're basically stopping something somewhere and then you started in a new place. And probably the biggest disadvantage that you rely on the end users, you need their help to help you to move those workloads. And also it takes too much time. So it kind of releases.  So at some point after validating your OpenStack release somewhere in the lab, you wanted to see how it behaves with the same workloads and product. So you do kind of release. It's pretty much exciting, because you basically run into OpenStack installation, which helps you to measure performance between two. And you decide, is it worth it to upgrade or not. So the simple workflow is just you can deploy all in one node. But the best way is to deploy a controller and compute interconnect networks, because application needs to communicate. Sometimes some type of applications, you need to communication with some dependencies. And you start in VM with production application, and it talks with dependencies or other services. And you see how it behaves. If you satisfy it with the results, you proceed. So you basically can release, can evolve. If you do it right from the beginning, like a separate controller, networking node, and compute, for example, it can evolve into a completely new installation. So you can add HA later. So at some point, if you look like that, one cloud, it looks like one for your customers. But indeed, it's two, three, or more, depending on what you need. So Adobe, at cloud, we choose this way, because at that time, we were not able to afford any downtime. And basically, this year, we did upgrade from Ice House to Mythical Release. The longest time was one month to upgrade all workloads. And there is no impact on your open stack. It's available. Because, for example, imagine a situation when you're trying to do running and upgrade, and you stop in metadata service, and you do orchestration with Puppet, and Puppet relight on your metadata effects. When it's not working, so Puppet just can easily wipe with zero configuration and restart an application. So it's not the best situation ever. And those upgrades, like parallel deployment, installation, all with us, to not stop the traffic, huge amount of traffic. And we didn't do any changes to control plane. For our end customer, it looked like, so we just stopped some amount of applications, not all of them, not all stacks, and migrated one by one. It was hard, because you don't plan for extra infringement in particular DC. You're basically taking one hypervisor, migrating workloads, when it's done, you're reinstalling or plugging it back to the new installation. So it's kind of tricky. But the big bang in this journey, that you can use this technique to kind of release us. You basically can use it for your own evidence and to provide some strong arguments to stakeholders and explain why do you need particular upgrade, what benefits are, what is performance. So you can basically perform on the fly performance of two installations. I guess, that's it. Thanks for dending.


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