We are less than 24 hours away from turkey day glutton fest 2022. I hope you're stretching out those sweatpants run it back starts now. Good Wednesday morning day before Thanksgiving. This is a run it back joined as always by stadium insider Shamsheraniah Chandler Parsons who just will get to you in a second and Eddie Gonzalez co-host of the et cetera's podcast with KD we have to just jump right in that that parlay yesterday when you said Simmons triple double we chuckled right well he ended up with 11 11 and 7 we got to get to it and by the way the Sixers has none of their big stars playing and yet somehow some way managed to beat this fully loaded Brooklyn squad it was the big return for Simmons to Philadelphia so we'll start with him even though he's on the losing side of things were you guys impressed with what you saw from Mr. Ben Simmons Eddie. No he only scored 11 points I like that he I like that he had some energy to have been you know he's toying with the crowd and he's shushing them and in the shrug on the free throws but come on like this is a number one overall pick this is a max guy he gave you 11 points 11 rebounds that's great that he didn't fear the arena and thought the booze are too quiet but yeah you gave up 28 offensive rebounds last night you lost the team down for starters. Yeah nobody played good nobody played good on that team including Ben so now I wasn't impressed Kevin said the other night after his performance against the Grizzlies. I'm not excited this is what we expect from Ben so yeah this is a little subpar expect a little better. Yeah I mean this isn't the outcome that I saw happening but clearly I'm not good at predicting these type of things. This is this is this is who Ben Simmons is it's watching him last night he still plays kind of hot potato with the ball and it kind of worked out the first three plays of the game where he got quick three assists but honestly it kind of looks like he's just kind of getting off it but he's you know he's got good instincts and he found guys cutting but 11 11 and seven and we're talking about a guy who yeah he looks like he has more energy that like that's not the that's not how we should be talking about a franchise multi all star guy but you know I just how would he ever score 30 or 40 in a game ever again the way he plays like he can't he can't create his own shot he doesn't make free throws he can't shoot at all like I just can't ever see him scoring 20 in a game like 25 third like how is he ever going to go off but I mean yeah like I thought he handled the crowd I honestly in my opinion the crowd to me wasn't that crazy like maybe because I wasn't there but like I didn't it didn't seem like so unruly they weren't throwing stuff like there was it wasn't I didn't it didn't seem that gnarly to me to be honest with you but it definitely helped Ben kind of ease his nerves getting off to that good start but this is this is a horrific loss that just can't happen if you're the Nets and you're fully loaded you're you're healthy and you go in and lose to this depleted team where shake milk and kind of goes off in the fourth to kind of close the game like this this is this is a bad look this is a bad look for the Nets I'm glad you mentioned the crowd because that was obviously something we were all anticipating and it seems to be the overall consensus is let's hear what they had to do I think too much time I think too much time went by me we're talking they were almost more rowdy in my opinion when he didn't play I mean like it's like it was at the beginning right you had your your intros which yeah but this just like if my eyes were closed I would just think this was any away player I agree actually yeah I do agree he was the thing he was treated like any other player I was there last year in March and he was booed very much more significantly and like they were cursing at him it was it was definitely rowdy then way more than it was last night yeah like a little brock did Philly fans to like be throwing things on the crowd to be like they said there's extra security there like I don't know that to me this this was like not even like a playoff atmosphere this was this was I was disappointed because Philly fans go hard and I feel like maybe maybe too much time just went by maybe they weren't excited because none of their guys were playing and they thought they had no chance of winning but this was kind of weak by the fans honestly yeah I'm old enough to remember LeBron going back to Cleveland in 2010 and what like there was like genuine fear that something insane might happen in that game or even Kevin going back to OKC and the cupcake shirts and the line of sheriffs behind the bench and all of that this was just a game this is this was you know he had some fun with it and you know gesture to the crowd a few times but this disappointed in Philly their reputation is they booed Santa Claus and they barely booed Ben Simmons also it's kind of hard to boo Ben who is just constantly coming off the ball so even if you boom as he gets the ball he's running into a handoff and then you then you stop booing because now Joe Harris has the ball it was it was a little strange but they got the win so I guess it mattered enough they might have been surprised by themselves by the win the MJ shrug after a free throw was not like three it's a free throw yeah like he didn't break someone off and hit a crazy step back my man hit a free throw and shrug that was not I feel like the bar is very low for Ben Simmons and he is treated with kid gloves like if he does anything that's remotely part of his job description there's a part of sort of the talking head community that's like oh great he's on track he's had dude like at some point the standards have to be the same as they are for everyone else and I mean come on the show I try to like understand his situation a little bit but yeah he's definitely being handled with kid gloves I think by everybody the media the team the fans everything it's all like okay we'll bring them along okay we'll bring them along I think it's in some at some point it's you know the nets are spiting themselves with the way they play if you look at last night he was back in the starting lineup back and start line with Nick Claxton which obviously presents its own issues and it was the it was the Ben Simmons show again and he had the ball most of the time he relegated Kevin to you know a secondary role and you saw that with Kevin's performance you know he only took 14 shots last night Seth Curry took 12 so it's you're taking the things that made you successful against Portland and against Memphis and against all these other teams where you kind of showcase Kevin and he was the centerpiece of your offense and now you're stunting it to turn everybody in the standstill guys as Ben does dribble it's it's an issue like they have to address that somehow or they're gonna have results like this a lot and I will say as a player when you're like if I'm on the nets it's it's hard to go into that arena last night and not let your guard down a little bit with who is playing like this is a classic case of oh we can kind of just tie our shoes you know at the tip off and we can go out there and our talent is going to overcome and then on the flip side you have guys like shake milk and you guys like the Anthony Melton that are waiting for this opportunity that are showing Doc Rivers like I can do more I want to do more Tobias Harris finally had his chance to go from the fourth guy to the number one guy and he whooped and it worked so like these guys too they have that opportunity that they want to take advantage just as much as the nets come in they're thinking they're just going to roll these guys speaking of Tobias Harris he had 24 last night his name is always sort of in trade talks whenever they start to come up shams why or will he be prevalent still in those conversations he will be because that's really the only guy the Sixers have as an asset that they can trade they've traded away their draft picks whether it's in the James Harden trade they've really put their chips on the table already they've got Tyrese Maxie they want him to emerge and when you look at this roster they got Joel and B James Harden Tyrese Maxie those are your top three options so for a guy like Tobias Harris who's you know in year he's got two years left on his deal 77 million he he's playing he played last night and there are other teams that he can go on reason number two and number three maybe even number one option on different nights he said last night in the post game interview like it felt good to be the number one option to have that many touches that he had last night he had to get reacclimated to it and I think there was some truth in that because that's that is definitely an opportunity that he probably feels like he deserves he feels like his talent deserves but on in a lot of moments and on a lot of nights this is going to be the corner and really away from the ball because there are other players that are taking up a lot of the offensive usage rate on that team. Yeah and a guy like Tobias Harris he can kind of do it all he's talented he can shoot he can score he's great off the block I can't help but picture in like a team like Dallas like how good would this guy be next to Luca who desperately needs that number two guy and Dallas is a team that I can see making it the making a move but yeah I'm happy for him because he's kind of been that second and third fiddle and obviously this was just one game but he was hoping he kind of and he took over late and he was getting to his spots and this was exactly what he needed to do be in the guy and it's a different kind of load it's a different kind of conditioning it's it's he's getting all the reps he's controlling the offense he's doing a lot of isos and and he was very efficient I think he shot 10 for 20 or 10 for 21 last night this this was a very difficult time in the world on on you know national TV that I'm more yeah I think you know it's interesting watching this team last night obviously their talent depleted but to me they're a harder team to guard when they have all those variables on the court they had seven guys take at least eight shots last night they passed the baton to different obviously had to bias and you have Melton and you had George and Yang putting up some they're a much different team without those guys obviously you want Joelle you want James and you want Maxie out there but the movement they had off ball the energy they played with the way they crashed the boards the pace they played with pushing the ball off the court that's just stuff that does not happen when those guys are all in court doing what they do look James is just going to dribble there out the ball it is what it is Joelle's just going to have elbow touches and hold it and take his ball off the court and he's going to have a better team last night they're a tougher team to guard and prepare for and and the next pay for it on the offensive glass and all the threes that the Sixers hit and I won Chandler like it would right it would not shock me to watch these guys just getting lit up and they do you're too sure and all and all fairness and all fairness I didn't know you to wasn't playing when I made these predictions wow Eddie what's going on with your boy Joe Harris because we got to get more from him if they're if they're going to do anything because he's getting open he had a pass was a one right from three legs yes one for eight um Joe Seth and Patty were four of sixteen from three last night and then Kyrie was also two of eight so that's six twenty four that's how you lose games my friend that's how you lose games those are uh yeah that's the thing you can never be too sure that's why this league is amazing uh there were other games that happened last night the second big national TV game was the Sons and Lakers uh is a 115-105 win for Phoenix but this of course is what everyone's talking about today Patrick Beverly pushing DeAndre Aten it's another one of um well what many people call cheap shots that Patrick Beverly has become known for do you guys think that this was a cheap shot Chandler I mean this whole play was kind of weird from the jump I don't know what D-Book was doing like he clearly fouled Austin Reeves he and then he even started kind of talking shit over him and then and then DeAndre Aten who the kind of previous plays was getting into it with A.D. and then he had the dunk and kind of barked at A.D. but was this dirty from Pat yeah for sure but this is exactly what he's there to do this is exactly what he should do Pat is a goon and this is his role and if I'm Anthony Davis I'm LeBron I'm paying for his fine and there's definitely going to be a suspension coming but this is this is exactly what you want you don't want to hurt anybody you don't want to take crazy cheap shots but what is DeAndre Aten doing here you're standing over one of our players after he got slapped in the face and you guys are up it's the end of the game like I honestly bravo to Pat Beverly because this is the value this is the value that this is the value that he has exactly what he's there for and DeBook saying oh push people he has no problem pushing people in the he'll punch you in the face so like this he is a goon through and throughout and he is not scared of anybody he tried to fight the ref when the when the ref ran up on him last night he he this was definitely dirty but this is what he's there to do so I don't mind it whatsoever is it dirty is it a cheap shot for sure but that's Pat Bev that's what he's supposed to do in that situation I know cool what DeAndre Aten was doing Austin Reeves doesn't look like he's harmed a guy in ten years I don't know why they were picking on him he got smacked in the face that's enough it wasn't like his little tension was with Reeves the game wasn't even necessarily that chippy up into that point it was just really weird I get what Pat Bev did I get what the sun's being defensive but yeah I mean that's the point of Pat Bev he was over two last night at zero points he had ten rebounds so shout out to Pat for that but this is what he's there for he's to be the enforcer to stir stuff up when things get like this but yeah it was just weird it was just weird all around especially from the suns to be honest well okay so from the suns Devin Booker had something to say about this Pat Beverly moment after the game stop pushing people in the back man push them in the chest that's all I gotta say face like I said he's not he's not scared of anybody so yeah he has done that a couple of times but like Pat will he will fight you a lot of these NBA guys are fake tough guys and you know all the hoop lot Pat Bev is not one of them do we expect him to be suspended I mean is that is that coming I think so I mean he got he got one game for the Chris Paul play so I mean this was very very similar shoving the back so I mean there is presidents there there's no question right yes I I trashed Pat all the time I think he's one of the worst players worst starters in the league for sure but what he is not is he is not a punk he is not scared to push a guy in the face I mean he's been doing his all career mega star bench guy number one overall pick who might maybe doesn't want to be on his team in the hundred eight all of them can get it and they will get it and so yeah that was I don't agree with there how okay I feel like you guys are going against what a lot of people are saying today find very interesting on the other hand Anthony Davis is doing quite right he's okay without LeBron on that floor 37 points 21 rebounds five blocks five steals I think obviously the questions going to be and I think we're going to start hearing it more and more he seems to really thrive when LeBron's not out there so is that good news or bad news for this Lakers team Eddie um it's bad news it is what it is let's just call it what it is he looks way better right now without LeBron on the court and when LeBron's on the court he commands the ball he commands the offense and that just is what it is that's not changing it's not going to change for as long as LeBron plays that's the style he plays I think it's very interesting the synergy AD has Russ Russ serves him up a lot throughout the game when he's on the court uh obviously AD and LeBron can work they've won a title they can figure it out uh but yeah he looks I mean he's putting up wilt numbers they you can't argue against that at this point he looks amazing and I do wonder you know this is like a deeper combo but we're so accustomed now to superstars teaming up sometimes the best version of these guys are on on their own on their own island and you know maybe that just means you're a five-seat every year Anthony Davis and then that's the best you can do but man could you imagine him the last couple years with his own team centered around him we might have been having seasons of this yeah he's I mean he's he's dominating and he looks comfortable and he's he looks like a man playing against boys they're just throwing the ball to him he's going to work he's playing aggressive he's playing violent and and LeBron is the one guy that I feel like should be able to adapt when he comes back like AD is not doing anything drastically different besides just getting the ball more and being more aggressive on the block when he does LeBron can still space the floor LeBron can still find him and hopefully make the game easy for him but yeah listen if they get LeBron doing what he does with AD playing like this they have a chance to turn this around with Russ coming off the bench and with the pieces they have I mean they're still not a good team but but they should be building off this because or looking at whatever trade options they have I don't know if Sean's got any scoop but AD is taking his step forward and I mean Russ has been solid off the bench Lonnie Walker is looking solid Austin Reeves has been solid so I don't think they have enough talent or shooting or depth to kind of be a real contender but this version of Anthony Davis on their team obviously just makes them so much better so on the on the trade front there's really nothing new the Lakers have made some more calls on some shooters but there's really nothing new on that front I'm told but as far as the game I mean there's no question when LeBron James on the court he's going to command the ball and so how much of a focal point effort are they going to make to go get AD involved early in games because that was a concern early on in Darwin Ham's tenure with the Lakers was AD's touches early on in game sustaining him having the ball in his hands and I think they really have no choice but to do that when LeBron James isn't on the floor but now that he's going to be back here eventually they need to keep giving AD the ball well allegedly LeBron will be in the game here in San Antonio on Friday night so I will have lots to tell you about on Monday guys I will see it all up close and personal there was a Kings the B team seven straight wins but this was a moment John Morant trying to make Malik Monk at the line who ends up by the way missing clutch free throw a couple seconds later but Chandler see I personally love this as a fan what do you think about it this is just this is just kind of silly banter trying to get into his head a little bit trying to ice him a little bit this just you know this bit him because obviously came right back to him and he didn't knock the free throws down but I don't see anything wrong with this this is kind of happening a couple of times this season this is this is just a distraction tactic that you know sometimes works sometimes doesn't this one just kind of made Morant look a little silly because came right back to him but I don't hate it I think it's you know any any way you can get a guy off his rhythm or get a guy thinking before he shoots a free throw usually could help but you know Monk knocked him down and that was huge and the Kings are real the Kings the Kings are roll a man they got a really good situation over there see guys this is the moments like this are why I say we should just have the mic up league pass all year I'll pay whatever it is it's fine everybody wants to have their mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday moment and that's cool I like it it didn't work like John you also gotta handle business on the other end but it's cool I would like clearly Malik Monk wasn't bothered the Andrew Aitman was earlier this year I wonder what they told job on the way to the strike because yeah moment clearly gotta be clank that one pretty ugly but yo the airfox don't foul John Morant on three again ever for the rest of his career please just some advice thankfully for us they would have went over time and they would have hit the over and then I would have been able to place soul blame on Chandler for blowing our part but unfortunately John may so here we are it is a pretty innocent smack talking moment I feel like if I'm gonna have smack talk I want it to be a lot more personal maybe something about moms or loved ones but I ask you like Chandler already chimed in on the Sacramento team we're gonna talk about this until they either turn the twisting turn here where they're not as good or all the way to the end of the season but could you see them as a contender I know the West is what it is and I know we've seen some of the teams that are always in its struggle but this team right now looks legit are we crazy for even thinking that you know it's crazy yeah I'm looking at the West there's really no like elite team in the West like they're deep there's a lot of good teams but when I'm looking like Portland is gonna fizzle off Utah is a team that we thought was gonna lose who's now is up and coming and winning games but like Denver loses to Detroit last night Memphis is banged up like Clippers are a lot worse than I thought they were gonna be like there's really no there's no Milwaukee there's no Boston like the Cavs would be the best team in the West right now like there's the Warriors are having their own struggles like so they have a lot of good teams but like yeah there's no reason that these Kings can't you know keep going and keep becoming one of the better teams in the West and once they add you can tell last night to close out that game they have never they haven't been in a lot of winning situations they almost blew that game just simply because they have no experience in how to do that they don't have the Iguodala they don't have those vet guys to like be there and once they start adding guys like that and they add a few more pieces these guys are gonna be tough yeah it's always funny it's always funny in the NBA when a three-quarters court trap works and it was working against the Kings last night and they almost fumbled that game about four different times if Malik month misses one of those free throws and maybe they do but yeah I mean are they a contender contender is a broad term but like Chandler said the West is all out of whack like the Jazz at the top of the standings the Kings are a three seed right now their third best record in the conference if you look at the standing suit the ten teams that are above the play in line those are pretty much what we expected from playoff teams besides the Warriors somebody's gonna drop when they get it together but look they're a team that's built for the playoffs they're a team with guys who have playoff experience they're a team with a dynamic isolation score in Darren Fox and then with the modest bonus provides as well as a post-presidents in a elbow guy he's they're built to have success in late late in close playoff games could they win a series yeah they get the right matchup in the second round you never know they could be in the conference finals but they're legit they're legit they have the best offensive league for a reason they lighted up out there I love the idea of having to chase down leads on them making moves to get better not sort of unleashing pieces which no one I mean no one could have predicted at least not like this on the other hand the Minnesota Timber Wolves they they're having some real weird internal struggles we know about the booing of Rudy Gobert he did not care for it however his coach Chris Finch on the fans booing and I quote if you don't want to be booed play better I mean it seems fair Chandler like if you have a head coach that tells you that how are you reacting are you motivated or are you mad I mean no I don't I don't need my head coach saying this to motivate me to play better but it's pretty it's pretty common sense fans are fashion it they want what they want what's best they want you guys to play hard and they want us to win games but if I'm Rudy Gobert and I just you they just traded everything to get me definitely a little rub the wrong way that my head coach said this publicly like kind of get my back and what kind of against what I just said when I'm just a new guy here I'm trying to figure out my role it would bother me I guess a little bit it definitely wouldn't motivate me but I mean listen they've won four in a row the anomaly to me is as D'Angelo Russell like this guy's a Hooper and he's just not producing like I thought he would you definitely feel like there's some inner friction and beef with Edwards in towns and again the trade that they made for Rudy everybody's going out everybody's stretching it out everybody's showing the three and they decide to go the exact opposite and go to bigs and turn towns into this kind of finesse for now which has worked at times but it was just kind of a weird move in my opinion but I mean listen this is sometimes you have team meetings you have film you have everything in house and it's clearly not enough so maybe this is just a motivation tactic by Finch Finch is a great dude I don't think he meant any harm by this but as a player I think I mean I don't need my coach saying that like I realized that it's pretty confident and yeah do I do think it's wild interesting that the head coach said this about Mr. Five first round picks that's fascinating in its own right I'm hit Chandler like I don't know how productive it is but the fact that he's willing to basically throw him under the bus and say you'll quit crying I kind of love that as a fan watching them semi and pro but they have one five in a row they do have talent as nature heals in the western conference we just talked about out of whack the standings are they should start to win some games and climb up the conference just a little bit but yeah just think it's funny the coach said this about who he said it about as well so something watch over there you know that might be the sneaky blow up team even but the problem is they've invested so much in their future it kind of can't blow it I will say this team is young and they're immature the kind of they're not handling adversity very well but thank God they're in a small market because they have a lot of topics and issues that are kind of getting swept under the rug with all this Lakers and Brooklyn stuff but if they were in a major market they would be in the headlines a lot more and kind of be getting exposed more for this but they definitely have issues here that that aren't normal we're not supporting they need it yeah this is the time where they've got to turn this around and when you look at this roster it's not like you're going to move Anthony Edwards Rudy Gobert you just traded everything for so the question has become D'Angelo Russo, Carl Anthony Townsend where is the fit level moving forward but this is the time to turn it around I don't know if them going back and forth in the media is going to be productive for them but I think this is that stretch right now 15-20 games and they're going to see what they have and also all their issues are self inflicted against all their beef it's all them talking out of line all them going to the media just be quiet and hoop and big like Townsend Edwards I don't care if you guys don't like each other you guys are the future of this team you got to figure it out you're not going anywhere so like they bear down and stop talking so much and just bringing on all this negative it's all internal like none of it's external which I find fascinating and now Eddie's got me thinking that Hinch never wanted Gobert in the first place and now that's going to be like a big story I see what you said there I was reading between the lines we're going to take a quick break but when we come back is anybody healthy on the Clippers and what should the Netsby think before we'll be back shortly Run it up, run it back like a running back, she knowin' all over the map cause she make a cloud with a short zone on the skin You have got to be kidding me Shoms Clippers play the Warriors tonight Little California showdown this is becoming almost too much of a routine so what is I see your tweet here but what's the latest on Kawhi I feel like we just got him back for five minutes what's the problem Yeah he missed a month his ankle late in the game on Monday and he said post game that he was fine but he is listed out tonight and along with Paul George and Lou Kinard and this is a team that's been dealing with the revolving door all season starting with Kawhi Leonard at times Paul George there have been different players in and out of the lineup Ty Lou has spoken publicly just about how difficult it's been with the rotation of the lineups and guys in and out and there's a reason why this offense is now among the bottom three of the NBA even lower than the Lakers as of yesterday so a lot of that has to do with they just have not had their guys on the court all the time especially you know Kawhi Leonard when he's been on the court hasn't been playing his usual minutes and his usual role overall so it's tough they're going to be down multiple star players in a national TV game tonight Even lower than the Lakers how we have fallen by the way I'd like to officially retract my MVP Kawhi Leonard prediction at the beginning of the season just due to the fact that we're not going to see him enough so that's fine but Chandler tell me what you're thinking about this Clipper squad I mean how worried are we at this point I mean we're pretty worried I mean Kawhi Leonard is making a lot of money and just doesn't seem like he's himself like you said even when he plays he's not very productive it's just it's not working for whatever reason and there's still a fourth seed listen I think Paul George is playing very very good they have a deep roster they have a capability to be a very good defensive team I just think the expectations kind of came so high with them and we expected to see a fully healthy Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and PG's done his thing but the Kawhi the Kawhi Leonard thing is listen injuries are no joke and they're tough to come back from do it every single year see what Clay is going through clearly this injury that Kawhi has is serious and they're monitoring him the guy makes $45 million a year and he's just not on the court he's not on the court enough and when he is he's not playing very good so I'm super concerned I love the fact that there's still hope and the West kind of is wide open but this isn't the way that you know they saw the season starting off but you know they're still right there in the thick of things yeah you're talking about a 31-year-old Hall of Famer that this franchise is you know completely uprooted themselves to showcase and to have be as their centerpiece averaging 10 points a game he's only played five games this season came off the bench for two of them and he's only shooting 42% from the floor so yeah you absolutely need more are they treading water are they making it work yeah they're 11 and 7 they have the second most wins in the conference they're winning regular season games but that's never been the goal for this franchise they want to make it past the second round for the first time in franchise history they want to win a title that was the entire purpose of Steve Volmer buying this franchise and going all in with built not bought and you know concrete over whatever the whatever the catchphrases were they want to win they don't want to just win regular season games and they're going to need Kawhi to actually be functioning healthy nothing over the last two years it's told us that he can be that obviously I hope that he does and he bounces back and he can be the Kawhi that we all know and love but yeah you have to be concerned right now yeah it feels like one step forward five steps back for this team Shob's I would say put your phone away and enjoy the holiday tomorrow but I know better thank you and we will see you Monday have a great weekend as well and guys we're gonna oh that was such a moment you guys let's hug virtual it is it's Thanksgiving which means you're supposed to give thanks in case you forgot we're gonna do which teams and players what should they be thankful for and we start with Eddie what NBA player should be the most thankful this season BJ Tucker should be thankful for that contract and that player option because he has not scored in six NBA games me and him have been just as productive as each other now I'm not guarding Kevin Durant on an island and I'm not you know but yo to get to go out there and just throw up six shots and not really worry if they all miss that's fun that's great and so yeah he should be very thankful right now has he he's not scored in six games six games that's insane he hasn't scored since Columbus day that is not a stat that you want to attach to your name Chandler who are you thinking which player should be most thankful you know I'm thankful for Lori or Lori marketing should be very very thankful we're also thankful listen this was a guy that had a bunch of hype coming in you know a lot of talent a lot of size and he just couldn't figure it out and Cleveland and Chicago and now he finally got this move was supposed to be on this rebuilding team and he was kind of just in the trade I feel like and this guy has turned himself into a real player this guy has a very good chance of making an all-star team he's doing it all for them he's carrying the load he's giving this team hope and I would be very thankful that just kind of this trade happened and it worked out very good for him to kind of showcase the kind of player he is that's a good one I like that one Eddie it's time to turn to the teams which team should be most thankful the New Orleans Pelicans should be the most thankful team in the league right now and they should just be thankful that the Lakers exist and gave them their draft for the next few years yeah they're standing in line to maybe get this guy the third best chance right now I think fourth at the last night so yeah they have that 14% chance to get that number one overall pick plus they built a nice little franchise out there anyway they ended with Zion they have Brandon Ingram the Lakers just keeps thinking it up we talk about them every day and I hope every day a pelican is tuning in going yeah just keep pouring it on because we need them as bad as possible a pelican is tuning in Chandler for you which team yeah I'm the Cavs and they are the most thankful for the New York Knicks for not adding Quentin Grimes into that Donovan Mitchell trade because that has been nothing but greatness for Cleveland it's been great for Donovan Mitchell this guy Quentin Grimes he's a solid player but to not throw him in a trade to get this superstar talent and who's now kind of benched and barely playing for the Knicks who are struggling mightily this couldn't have worked out better for Cleveland they have a stud now and basically that was all because the Knicks didn't want to add this this guy Quentin Grimes in the trade so be very thankful for the Knicks I like that one it's also I can't believe anyone out loud final round fan bases Eddie starting with you which fan base should be the most thankful the beam team the Sacramento Kings fan base they have not seen a playoff game in that city in 16 seasons since Kevin Martin was the future of their franchise now they have a good thing going out there they probably hopefully if all things work out gonna see some playoff basketball this year and look they're just having fun they're just having fun I've seen Matt Lawrence to made the call last night to like the beam it created this this social media moment uh they gotta be loving it out there in my hometown so yeah that fan base for sure oh that beam has won me over I love it so much it's so simple I almost crashed my car because I was staring and smiling at the beam okay be careful Maryam we don't want that but you're right it's a lack of a beam yeah I wonder I wonder when the first lawsuit comes when the beam catches someone in the eye it's too bright and beautiful uh yeah no kidding because I sometimes I forget they got that thing going up pretty high Chandler for you fan base which one should be the most thankful uh it's the it's the Mavericks and it's for Luca Donkage because they would absolutely stink without him he does everything for them he's in this fifth year he's been all NBA three times um he kind of helped just kind of transition from the Dirk era to the Luca era without really rebuilding um he's a generational talent he's he can do it all and like I said they would be pretty lost without him so also be thankful for the Hawks that they traded Tray young for him on draft night and kind of did that that switcheroo there but yeah the Mavs fans should count their blessings with this cat thank the kings for taking more of a Bagley as well because I mean he just goes back there's so many origin stories that could have been I love it so much that what ifs uh when we come back these two are going to walk back some of their hottest takes that we've had so far and should Steph retire night night all that when run it back returns run it back run it up run it back run it Bandool sportsbook has an awesome world cup promotion going on right now if you bet on team USA to win when they play England on Friday and they end up with a loss or a tie you will get a refund in free bets that's an offer we will not be walking back unlike Chandler and Eddie it's a new game we're calling it walk it back because it's much nicer than oops that was stupid you guys have shared some pretty spicy takes by the way I'm with you I'm with you on some of these so we're Eddie we asked you on opening night for your best bet to win MVP here was your answer but the guy I think who could actually in a way sock us and get it is Steph Curry he's probably going to be on the best team in the league he's going to be the best player on that team he's going to score a lot of points he's going to have great numbers okay Steph Curry was your preseason MVP pick are we walking this back no but I'll say I was really wrong about him being on the best team in the league she's clearly not on that team he's on one of the worst but yes that 32 points 52% from the floor he's been a monster so if they ever actually win some games we are MVP right there but yeah they look pretty awful I can't lie so I'm not walking back my pick I'm just walking back the Warriors being good wow I'm impressed that's a that's like a double down Chandler you also you know don't say anything yet because I want to I want to see the actual video when you said the following words here's Chandler what if I throw Carl down out there somehow some way the Minnesota Timberwolves are a top four or five in the league he's their best player and he's built for the regular season they add Rudy Gobert and he's going to put up Goddy numbers if he can put up 28, 29, 30 and 10 and 12 and four assists I like Carl Anthony Towns has the long shot MVP this year Chandler are we walking that back right yeah I'm walking I hate to I hate to give up so quick but I'm walking it back he is averaging five assists I said he'd average four but he's not their best player I think Anthony Edwards is they're not a top four sheet they're barely in the playoff hunt this could not have went this could not have went more wrong for me I took long shot a little too long I thought maybe the whole stretch four thing would work with Gobert they were excited I thought you know Angela Russell would still be a valuable player and I was completely wrong and I would like to walk it all the way back all right Chandler's walking it all the way back I of course I'm walking back to Kawhi thing but really it's because of availability not because he all of a sudden is an awful player that would just be silly are there any other hot takes that either one of you wants to walk back now I'm shooting 100% from the floor I'm pretty sure I'm going to write about everything I've said on the show that's what I figured besides besides any parlay pic that we've ever now we're all going to be fired because we can't figure that thing out convince me is next we had the World Cup version yesterday today Eddie you're going to convince me that each each NBA team should be allowed to add what alumni or former player to their roster during the playoffs I like this could you see the Jocelyn would like yo let's ask LeBron to retire you're early but we'll bring him back in April like let's just do that heavy awesome for the strategy this I do worry about I remember they had like the old timers game at the All-Star game and somebody got hurt I do worry about somebody stretching just a little bit and then we had to carry a 42 year old guy off the court because it's a kill but I think look if let's try it let's see some collusion in the league and make this happen yeah I wonder where you'd have to have like the qualifications because I mean it'd be awesome if the Bulls just trotted Michael Jordan out there just for the sake of fan morale but yeah I don't expect him to do which is really where to say out loud Chandler we're gonna talk about Steph night night this little thing that he does convince me that that can only be used now against top tier teams and you can't be busting it out against say the Rockets or the Pistons yeah it should because those teams are already asleep it's almost it's a form of it's a form of bullying when they do it when he does it to those teams and it's really just rubbing salt on the wound so I agree I think should only be against a team with a better record than you because it's just point blank rude to do it against the Rockets and then when he added in a little jump a jump sleep too just a little more sauce on the wings there it's again just it's too much and those teams already have no chance before they even get to the arena so only do it against good teams yeah it feels like he's fighting down punching down when he does it that way yeah pizzazz that we want it to have this is a world cup adjacent question Eddie convince me that flopping should be a technical foul yes please let's please get this out the game I hate when guys pump fake dive under you and go like this like yeah let's get all this out the game a tech this was to have almost most of these guys Joel and me would still do it James Harden would still do it LeBron would still do it even though he thinks he doesn't know how to flop but a lot of guys would have to take this out the repertoire Marcus Smart my bad yeah please and we still get to see basketball I'm all for it I'm all for it too Chandler I think that I hate flopping I hate it in all the sports on the technical file side there's something else though it's the hanging on the rim so convince me Chandler that they should actually be these guys should be allowed to hang on the rim after a monster doc I mean first of all this it's safer you're not going to land on the player that you just dunked on it only hurts yourself because while you're hanging on the rim they're taking the ball out and they're you know you're not getting back on defense here but part of the one of the some of the attraction of a good poster is kind of swinging on the rim and putting your nuts on someone's head and without being able to hang on the rim you kind of eliminate that exclamation point on the on the banger there so I think you should be allowed it only hurts yourself it's safer for the player and like I said it's little more sauce okay I did not have a genitalia in faces on my bingo card for today's show but I appreciate Chandler always convinced of something else Eddie this one is the hardest one we've ever had convinced me that cranberry sauce is the best Thanksgiving food it's not it's not it's obviously back in cheese and deep fried turkey but cranberry sauce gets a bad rap as long as it doesn't have the actual cranberries in there it's pretty good so it's not the best but it's it's it's underrated like oh wait so you're just referencing that my plate that can stuff you just want the canned jello we looking yep just a little just a little couple slices of that on my plate and we're all good to go slices of gelatin is disgusting that is no there's no arguing that up next I we're going to try again we're going to give you our best shot at winning you some money I'm already going to laugh now we'll be back into a casino is giving thanks to their loyal customers by hosting a refer a friendsgiving event that's happening right now here's how it works today through Saturday November 26 any Fandall casino player can refer their friend by sending them a referral link after your friend wagers 10 bucks or more on Fandall casino you'll both get a $50 bonus and one shared entry to the refer a friendsgiving sweepstakes for a chance to want to share a $50,000 check out the Fandall casino app for more details and be sure to follow Fandall casino on Twitter and Instagram to see if you and your friend are one of the lucky winners so we are we're at that part now they on the fly parlay part of the show before we can get to today's probable winners let's take a look at how last night fared last night had the potential to be a big one right but we and we came kind of close so oh I lied to you we're not gonna we're not gonna we don't want to show it because it's embarrassing for all of us needless to say it was a little closer than we thought Ben Simmons was actually closer than we thought to the triple double which seemed outlandish but that being said it didn't hit okay let's try again 50% of the floor ain't bad Chandler it's not bad we didn't want us no money but it was a couple buckets out there well I mean I like your optimism I'm hoping it carries into today's Eddie what do you have for us for your two legs I got the Pacers they're home dogs against the wolves they won 8 of the last 10 they won 5 in a row I really like the Pacers team I watched them smoke the nets in person I'm going with them I do not believe in the wolves at all I'm sorry so probably bet the wolves because I just said that by the way at least we're giving like the asterisk and then your second also riding the kings to the to the top of the beam to whenever the beam stops going off Kevin Herter revenge game I need it let's have it ooh a Herter revenge game I like that all right Chandler 5.5 is a lot by the way I feel like it is a lot right it's kind of disrespectful considering take the points yeah mine is the Nuggets minus three and a half at Thunder they came off a bad lot they cannot lose to the Pistons and the Thunder back to back I expect them to kind of pounce on them again it's a team that's trying to lose they got to get this one and then Spurs and Pelicans I like the under that's a lot of points like this game to kind of be slowed down a little bit and you know what I honestly don't like any of these so they're probably this is probably the one that's going to be the winner like I was really confident a couple of other picks I really believed in this one I hate so like this is probably the winner you think this will be the winner I don't know when there's not a show tomorrow to post and brag about it that that sounds well just we'll just post repeatedly bet 20 when 245 this has to hit guys it's the Thanksgiving holiday everyone's in a decent to good mood everything's got to give here at some point we will get this right it might not be today but we will guys happiest of Thanksgiving to you all to sweat pants for everybody we will see everyone on Monday morning enjoy the holiday enjoy the weekend see you next week


Alright, Alex. Hello. Welcome back to simulation. The fourth time we're sitting down together on the show. Yeah. And let's hear the update. So how have you been? How's Cambridge been? How's the Bay Area been this visit? Okay. Yeah, I've haven't been the Bay Area since like last, last September. So it's like it's like a refreshing of say, hmm, of so of the year, you know, so it's like a refresh of like other places that I missed out on. So the last time that I can get, I can get today, especially since a lot of things have updated since then. I have a better, a lot of communities have also changed so quickly over time. Yeah, I visited originally came back to the Bay Area because I was I was basically adorned by a Lyrd by a certain Bay by an anti an Asian American Association, Asian Association thing by Junion. Junion basically hosted an event, an Asian Association event, which was a colossal with AAS. So I ended up going there. I ended up getting Cosmo meal key to come there too. And yeah, it was like, it was like a gathering of like all the top of the top important Asian districts in the US, which is important, especially because I know with this, especially in what aging is that once you're interested in it, you cannot be uninterested in it because it affects everything like it affects the rest of your entire life. And most of mostly will stay most of the lives in an age state rather than in the most optimal useful states than they exist. But anyways, back to the point, me and some of my friends, we got updates on say, what is the what are the hot airs and new people are looking into also current some dynamics. And even though like, I'm generally, I generally prefer online performance of interaction. The fact as a matter that matter is that a lot of a lot of people still do real life with the interaction where you where your fastest learning rates are just local are just local. And also you see which were like, like, extra enthusiastic and getting to know you with repeated exposure to some people over time, you just know which people give you more or more well as you give your information that you can learn faster than reading a dead paper, dead paper, paper book. So yeah. So yeah, some stuff that also I was it was amazing to see be a being a reunion of like Buck Institute and Caper Lane lab people. And if those people who I appreciate doing the most especially because I've had interaction with my Caper Lane lab for quite some time. And also I've interacted with Buck Institute people too. Yeah. You you're reminding me how it's similar for when I go to Cambridge. It's like me also visiting the powerful clusters of people that I didn't that I'm getting either an update that I haven't hung out with you yet. So you're kind of doing that for the Bay Area when you visit here. Yeah. Also, I finally met this one from Braden McLean, who came it came from who's works for crews now. He's like an integrator of a lot of influence I've been exposed to like he lives with Masonic House with the Teal Fellows, a certain two member group house house. And he also was involved with the rationality slash community. So who knows the people there he and because he works on the machine learning algorithms based in he also knows Jeremy Nixon and that South Bay crew.  And most people from the North North Bay or South Bay aren't exactly exposed to like who's one of the early less wrong readers. Most people who work on a problems they they're not that interested in most and say big picture A.I. self-improvement stuff that rationalists are into. And people oftentimes hate the rationalists for it. But I still think the rationalists have a lot of merit. Like even Jeremy Nixon, he says and will be and they both say, I don't get what the people so many people hate the rationalist group because they still have a lot going on. Even though they they also have like a lot of thoughts that prevents them from basically being the best, being the people who can save the world, who have the most power to save the world, even though they use to think that that they used to they used to put a dream about saving the world. So yeah, so Brayden MacLean, he's also like kind of knows how he he was also one of the early founders of the Event Horizon House, which was like a legendary house with with loads all over Hebrica and basically, oh, and early Seafire Retreat people choose. So it's like so many important communities. And these communities are just so open about themselves and they have so many people that you just have to get to know know what they are. For those that don't yet know, Alex, which communities would you say you are most involved with? And his the air quality sensor. Yeah, that thing is so important for health and longevity. I agree with you totally. So which ones which ones would you say you aging is one of your hot ones? Would you say now effective altruism is another big one? I'm just I'm just there. I'm not I don't really selfish. I don't I'm like I'm like I just somehow was somehow magically integrated into the information flows of the super well. And since I've been there for a while, I just I'm just like a source and think of information that that's not very many other people are in it, even though like I want to I want to be in other communities. That's yeah, you just learn so much about human nature and human psychology by being an integrated community. Because they're willing to talk about anything and everything. And they have like a shared collective history that you and a group group as group story group theology that starts from early less wrong days. And yeah, just one of the best captured of one of the social groups that that that best have a sense of sense of self, a sense of how it was, how it evolved, like in respect with college, with college, say college culture, a lot of times seen through cycle after four years and people tend to be completely ignorant of what the past was like, even though like I know some people from Catholic who seem to have kept plot of their schools social drama over spirits, over periods that might have lasted like more than eight years, but not much more than that. And for those that weren't at Junyun's event and also the aging conference that you were at in San Jose, what is happening at the cutting edge of aging right now? A lot of things. And I I would not necessarily say that the material discussed there is at the cutting edge. It's very it's presented a way as to be understandable to most of the Asian community. So so I did get to see like so basically like mainstream aging research where it was still like more focus on characteristic of a chromosome dynamics, let's come with some of the dynamics part also like epigenetic genetic measure in the part been working a little bit about measuring epigenetic genetic aging does new measures that new measures that basically. Imagine how an organism age that's like that's like recent state of the art, but it's also not like not exactly George Church cutting edge level of research as in the synthetic biology stuff that changes everything. It's not exactly that. That's still good enough for me to like follow and not get lost like if you show most synthetic biology or gene editing research with that the gene editing that's the cutting edge, but they don't actually know aging that they're the more month development. Yeah. But yeah. And is it that the unraveling of telomeres is the most important part of chromosomal dynamics? No, that's that's just the easiest for most people to understand and internalize. There are so many others like for example, the how lamin A is important for say criminal for for making sure that the chromosomes are translated properly or like or for position of the chromosomes and which part which parts are like tethered to the and they're a way of of tethering the chromosomes that don't become too loose. And oftentimes the process of aging is one where where say the chromosomes are loosened up and and and you lose information about the the precise stoichiometry ratio at which proteins should be translated at which time. Also, one big issue of aging is that oftentimes there is something known as ER stress and gogy stress or also just a lot of times when you have proteins protein unfolding stress in which case like you just have proteins that get translated at inappropriate times and we don't get the localization signal factor in any ways. The point is when proteins are the self-construction sense when sense stress when proteins aren't translated in at the same proportions which then like it gives the ER a stress response. But yeah, anyway, some other points were people went deeper down into say standard metabolic pathways like a tryptophan degradation or flavin adenosine mononucleases and how changing expression of these affects longevity. Also more ways of measuring there, let's say another one is a method development person who basically did use ways of like trying to partition out yeast and use microfluid, the fluid. It's like new microfluid devices too to basically automatically capture a cell separate out cells based on properties. Like I know in the cabriolet lab you usually have a lot of people who did a lot of automated yeast. They wouldn't even automate just counting the yeast cells which he would send a lot of undergrads to do and it wasn't exactly the best use of labor but now that there's been more automated it's also like C. elegans analysis away. So there are people in congestion with like the long-term research institute which they're constantly starting which is basically trying to do ways of automating a testing of all these new drugs and metabolites on C. elegans or that. Also people are trying to find new model organisms which hopefully get and basically like a sort of mechanistic understanding of this. It's still not modification. Modification like enhanced methods of delivery delivery in C. elegans cells is more a synthetic biology or torture stuff or as in traditional aging research. That wasn't really covered in as much depth. It's obvious that you're so deep in the field. Would you say that one of the easiest ways to explain what is aiming to be done is to retain the youthful homeostatic capacity for our rest of our lives? Yeah, the youthful homeostasis according to the ability of a cell to respond to stressors this is one of the things that goes most are with age. Like for example, glutathione it's depleted so quickly with age. It's also depleted so quickly with exposure to cigarette smoke or even e-cigarettes. And this is like one of the reasons that people get hung alcohol hangover so quickly even after the 20s. That's when a lot of things declined but ability to recover from all nighters or stress like this. Basically this is oftentimes with declines first. Yeah, yeah. Okay, and then I wanna also help people get on a super connector level. So that's some aging stuff. Let's talk on a super connector level now. So I'm curious, whenever I come to, when last time I came to Cambridge in May it was very evident that you were going through and making tons and tons of connections to people that we should interview. And it also hit me that Cambridge is another really dense cluster of people that are building the future. And in many ways it's science driven rather than in Silicon Valley in many ways. It's like entrepreneurship driven. So it's kind of some differences there. Everything here is a startup versus there. It's more science research. So it sparked in me the desire to wanna make a second recording studio in Cambridge as soon as possible, hopefully in 2020 and just be able to sit down with more and more people out there more frequently. And I'm curious, how does one end up figuring out this balance? It seems as though you are really heavy on this edge tennis information patch jumping. So you spend most of your time talking to other people about the edge of the field that they're researching. And you jump from conversation to conversation and from edge of field to edge of field.  I have to like actually get into focus mode. And so do you find yourself getting into focus mode as well as the edge tennis that you're playing? Not yet, that's a moment though. I could go to focus mode at any time.  Like the author of FindAgent.org is or like Ben Best or like some of those other people who are like real ageing. Yeah, I just find that for the reason I maximize the amount of information I learn per second if I don't focus and somehow the fact is that I seem to be doing something that no one else is doing, which produces value in itself. So this is as though the amount of cutting edge knowledge per second that you can achieve is greatest when you talk to other people at the edge of their fields about what they're researching and working on rather than reading biochemistry books or papers or watching videos, that type of, yeah. That's one way of doing it. I started off by reading books and papers, which I still think of the fast way. As Jeremy knows, it's the fastest way to really interview if you learn textbooks. So really it's like reading textbooks while in the center of where all activities happen and so long as you have perfect intentional control which very few people have. In fact, earlier today, during that event, Vassar, Jeremy and I were talking about basically like which people seem to be completely in control of themselves and they couldn't name very many people other than let's say Jeff Bezos or Demis Hassebussi. They were also asking which people seemed to be the smart the smart people they know and who were in completely in control of what the intake and outtake and like not bound to weird rules and then the only people they could name were people like Jeff Bezos or Demis Hassebuss, basically completely free and whereas other times like even if you're a CEO, you're still held back by other people and what they expect of you in all those meetings, which apparently is what happens to a lot of Fortune 500 companies and people just don't have the same agency that they used even though it appears they're a super high-statacy, they're the leader of the company, but they still don't exactly have the type of control Jeff Bezos has. So as though that having complete governance over one's own input stream is top priority in life. Yeah, I even asked them if Ray Daller was one of them and they said Ray Daller doesn't exactly have an optimal executive function even though he outputs a lot of stuff away in an amazing way. He might do it in a way to compensate for let's say not being in full control of himself.  You still have to trust them on words and especially when they don't have the time all the time in the world to do diligence. So I think it would, I think due diligence would, I think there might be a VC who does a perfect way of doing due diligence where they do due diligence on the hyper open people and hyper open people, people willing to be hyper open who might not get other opportunities might sometime in the future get vetted by say a due diligence VC and get an advanced base in that simply because they would allow themselves the possibility of say, because there's a form of trust that happens when you allow yourself to be more, to be tracked a little bit more than other people are willing to be tracked. Okay, so it seems as though there's different colors on the color wheel of people's behavior patterns in our world. So some people are just on the playground, playground earth, just playing. Other people are on the playground but they want to solve problems and make the civilization prosper over time more effectively. And then there's also people that within that subgroup of wanting to make the world better spend most of their time on what you do versus what let's say someone else does, which is you can bounce from conversation to conversation and help push conversations out at the edge of knowledge while other people are maybe doing things like some of the people that work at startups or companies that are actually kind of building things in that are building physical things in the 3D world that then update the code to you. Yeah, and I think the problem is that they can't search for each other very well. Right now, as most, as like the internet, there's a certain type of, there's a certain group of people who are on the edge of the internet that's group of like Devon Zugel or Patrick Kulizan or Tyler Cowan or Topu's house people where they're like, or like Sam Altman where they're like generating into a tweet stream of the edge and it sadly does not contain very many people from Quora which is like a huge, which is a cute thing, because you'd expect that they'd get out to Quora except almost none of them, none of the people that are coming to the edge of the Twitter sphere are like people who used to be big on Quora. But anyways, the point is yeah, it's like you need to figure out how to make it, you need to like really figure out how to make them, easily make one of them explain the value of the other person more to others. Like even if it results in say more crowdfunding or more of way to, like I started to notice the internet edge that this edge is talking about patient systems like Alexi Guza and Patrick Kulizan and that group of people they're all talking about basically trying to build better patient systems, especially because nowadays there's more money available than ever in a sense and most non rent seeking occupation, products are much cheaper than they used to be, even if say the occupational licensing slash rent seeking scenes are driving prices up. But the thing is like it's so much, it's so easy to get new computers or hard drives never before or to like start creating scenes because like the stuff and also programming it's also just easier to program than it was ever before. And let's hit a couple things here. One of the things is that to be in full control of one's own input stream. So this is a, and also being able to decide if you want to build in the 3D world, if you want to just play with different people at the edge of their fields. So to be in full control of that, to know how to designate parts of what you have to do to other people in order for your time to free up and also to the whole embedded growth obligation that these organizations have, we have to figure out because it seems as though at times the corporation may not, we may not want that corporation to continue on their embedded growth trajectory and that it may actually just be better for that company to take a hiatus potentially or even to just break off into separate subsections of an organization or to just stop functionality completely. But the whole thought that the shareholders have to continue earning dividends over time the company has to stay, even though it may actually be harming the social fabric rather than benefiting it. Okay, so that's a bit on the nodes and edge tennis and input streams. And to be in full control of one's input stream so critical, I really enjoyed that point. Now, and not falling for opportunity obesity either, we're so overly saturated with opportunities that we take them without realizing that we can potentially have greater control over hanging out with certain people or reading certain things or doing certain things ourselves that can rocket our ourselves. Sometimes knowing cutting people off is like something that many of the most effective people are known to doing but also cutting people off in ways that doesn't seem rude or- How do you do that? How do you do that? For example, think about Demis Hathabis. He has to cut a lot of people off because whenever he goes, people surround him.  Why?  Just think anyone, even the Dalai Lama or like famous kind people, once you reach a certain level of fame, you just have to cut people off because everyone surrounds you. So then you just have to develop an intrepid stream where say, you give people second chances because I think the mark of kindness is literally giving people second chances. Often times, the first question someone tries to approach you with is not exactly the most well-formed question. It may not be the question that people who are true seeking will necessarily go after because they just want a chance to have bragging rights to talk to them or be remembered by that person even though oftentimes people literally go up to fame and people try to be remembered by them or just to have assurance that someone else is not... It's like, can you say something profound enough in the five second window you have with a high power person that they want to pass more time with you and that's a very tough thing to be able to achieve. But it's important to take your time on formulating exactly, compressing a really powerful couple sentences into what someone would think is worthwhile for you to hang out with. Yeah, and also when people talk in real life they don't remember their presence or answer. It's like people ask someone else, what do you think of this or that in real life and neither side remembers it in the long run. That's why I'm generally, I generally have a very high preference in shifting most communication online where people actually will remember things. And then what do you think about the movement which it seems as though it's happening where people are tapping into the social fabric finding their other key, let's say tennis players slash executors that they want to collaborate with and then they kind of unplug from the social fabric so that they don't have to get bing bing bing bing bing bing bing that they can then focus on the things that they want to do. Oh yeah, that's what some people like Yuri Herrera do. I know other people who they have to like, oftentimes they have to announce it publicly in a way so it should demand enforcement and also to make sure that people don't get mad at them in case you do fall off for periods of time. It's like, but you have to maintain the discipline in order to do it. And oftentimes people who have the privilege should do, so people often have a privilege to do that when they are sufficiently socially or financially secure that they don't need to keep them reporting to someone else or their audience. Like they have the confidence that they won't be forgotten or that their friends will actually come back to them or want to come back to them after taking these, like say six months breaks or higher disease. And sometimes even conflicts with people's traditional notes of friendships which I like some friends fall apart because there's asymmetry between how much each side wants to talk to each other and sometimes people have to cut off old friends because of this. Yeah, the asymmetry with how often people wanna talk and also it's as though when your mind gets expanded to new ways of thinking, it's really hard to go back to having conversations that are of old ways of thinking. So that's another one of the things is that we don't, I'm finding myself more and more asking people, what do you do when you have to cut off, Alex? Cause I have to focus more and more of my time alone and not replying to people. And so how do you could disconnect from people, Alex? With politely? I don't disconnect you with people right now. I think the standard way to disconnect you is announcing that you're planning to do it on your blog or social media. It's probably best to do it on your blog or some site where people just Google your name easily and just see that you're disconnecting. Though there's also a challenge in that if you are disconnecting, people may not, you may lose access to say opportunities or some information that might change your life. So then there's a more optimal way to do it. There's a more optimal way to do it potentially which is that you say that, announce on your socials and blogs that you are, that you're very, very selectively staying in touch with certain people right now as you are focused on in build mode. That way people can still reach out and you don't lose on those opportunities but then you can select to reply or not to those people. Yeah, okay, that process seems to be more and more important to figure out how to do. Alex, let's end the conversation on this point, which is you initially came up to me at EAGX in Boston and told me that certain people, and this is actually really good feedback, you told me that certain people won't take interviews with me because I'm not smart enough. And I was like, this is great because I need to hear feedback like this. It's very rare that people are as eccentric as you that they're able to just be like, hey Alan, did you know that some people won't take interviews with you because you're not smart enough? And I found that to be excellent because this is important feedback. And so if we can have more people that behave in this like super transparent, honest way that I think it'll help people grow. So will you deliver the feedback that you gave me then and also that you gave me even before we started streaming here where you were telling me that sometimes the things that I say can sound a little bit like jargon-y and that how I can help you. Not jargon-y, more buzzword-y. Buzzword-y. How can I be a better interviewer in general, please? Okay, so this is, let's see here. One scene is, let me think. First of all, I haven't watched my interviews because I'm like, I prefer text whenever possible. And that's something that's coming guys. It's coming soon that we're gonna have transcriptions for every single episode and knowledge graphs for every episode. Yeah, so that's- Knowledge graphs is gonna be the knowledge graphs. We're gonna work on that. That's gonna come, yeah. Like with Peter Till, it's very, yeah, yeah, this is good. This is very good. And we know that those are really key points on our upcoming agenda. It's, and as you all know that if we can get your help through Patreon, PayPal, cryptocurrency donations, we can more easily get to that point together. So please do support us. All the links are in the bio in order to make that happen. And so that's totally on our agenda, those things. And I'm glad that you mentioned that because it's a frequent thing that we're starting to hear now from people is that I prefer transcriptions. I just wanna parse, find the key points myself or also knowledge graphs that will show you the key points, highlight reels, five minute highlight reel of a one hour episode or also things that we're working on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, continue, please, on the feedback. Yeah, so they say that they see, they say you're a bit, but, but where do you, or? Who's they, they say? Like, some people who I've talked to who, who I like some, some people who are like very clear thinkers, like another thing is that maybe the space of things you say is a little bit constrained and not the most creative, perhaps, which means that maybe you're not the most sophisticated or critical thinker or you can't imagine every single, you can't infinitely, your brain can't infinitely adapt to imagining every single way, every single, basically like every possible way of expressing a certain feeling or sentiment. Some people are just more verbal expressing others and they will eventually find a way to create a creative, express a certain sentence. Okay, let me take a couple of things here. One of the things is that. Like verbal agility. Verbal agility, abstract thinking. Let's take a couple things here. One of the things is that the thought of being a generalist which we talked about a little bit, as well as that it becomes, when we're a generalist, it becomes harder to potentially play tennis across all of the different depths of the fields, but we can maybe help make good transfer connections of ideas, transfer learning connections across fields which helps a lot. But the machine, like you said, it's so difficult to actually be able to, you're right, that the amount of creative permutations that one could run on how certain fields could relate to other fields and have me hit back a thought that's really profound, a novel for the other person. I'm not a machine that can do that quite yet in the greatest caliber, maybe when I'm augmented further that I can do that. Coast-graining versus fine-graining. Also, when people use the word transfer learning, it's also often used as a buzzword. Interdisciplinary is also another buzzword. Why are those buzzwords rather than just words? They're so frequently used because they're a way of saying, making people seem sophisticated or making people seem like they're potentially sophisticated or open-minded and there's definitely a certain tendency for people to virtue-signal open-mindedness because open-mindedness is seen as a huge virtue in an information-driven age and whenever it's seen as a virtue, people are inclined to signal that they have more of it than they actually do, even just for social acceptance to be taken seriously or the fact that being open-minded is necessary but not sufficient in order to do it. And in fact, I think a lot of virtue-signaling happens around necessary but not sufficient scenes people have to do in order to actually be serious about something. Okay, and then let's say that where are the ways that an interviewer can stay open-minded? What are the key practices that they can do to stay open-minded but then also not come off buzzword-y? Like I was asking you should I give the question immediately after they finish or should I give a sentence or two and then ask the question? So one thing is sometimes you get people on the list of questions they most want asked or answered sometimes. And that's usually what we do before the show when we sit down as we co-create the outline of what I do. Also sometimes, so one reason why I generally have a strong preference for online performance is online performance are asynchronous and like there's no time pressure. So sometimes like the problem with real life in electros is that once you ask the president they're under pressure to provide an answer response even if it's not a great response or even if it's not a possible response. But anyway the point is a lot of responses need more time to sync up before they actually respond and video editing certainly doesn't make it easier. All the label involves video editing. Which is why we do the live streaming which helps so much with that component. And then, okay and then how about on a what would you, what would be your ideal interview process? Like for you and other people at the edge of the field like these people that say that Alan's not smart enough to interview me yet, right? That type of a person. What would Alan need to do in order, what would the skill be that I need to learn in order to be able to interview smarter people? Okay, I think it would be good you have someone comment on someone who's like, who watches all the electrovators just comment on your performance over time. Like exposure wasn't- Okay, you guys heard that. Give more comments about my performance over time as an interviewer and while you're at it if you're doing that too. Also comment about Ron's performance as well doing the technical production and directing because he's also starting to really do well with the compositions and embedding assets and that type of stuff. Also make pre-predictions behind each individual what you were really thinking about, what stressed you out the most, what were the most difficult things you had to make and what you were struggling to think about but didn't do it before the interview. One reason for the video interview is that they capture the moment just in time and they capture it in ways that makes it easy to access memories that came just before and after the interview. It's like one of the best ways to do mind uploading is basically to just capture all the video of life logging is to capture video of as much of the features as possible because the more features you capture the easier it is for the brain to figure out exactly which precepts are needed to access what you were actually thinking at the point of time so that you can't go back and then improve in it. I know a lot of people who are video game players or sports players who were meals that people watch over them and as long as you get the right feedback or you are not overly distracted by haters' comments or non-truth-seeking comments or non-helpful comments then you will basically get the best feedback ever. Although some of the feedback is from people who are biasing from certain ways, people who like the most creative people don't heavily rely on other people in order to do it so most of the most creative people do it seems alone. Though I think- That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. That's why I gotta spend a lot more time alone. I'm starting to realize that it helps a lot. I feel like what you're saying about having someone that can maybe be a little bit more down the line also with some additional potentially funding is there could be somebody that specifically focuses on just the development. I'm frequently reflecting on myself but I think that if someone, I think even Jeremy went ahead and even hired someone to just personally like amplify his productivity by like following him around and saying like, hey, you said that you were gonna do this thing. You're not doing this thing. So that type of stuff is also quite interesting. How about on an open-mindedness Alex, it seems as though that the most generalists find themselves to be as open-minded as possible to be able to take in this mosaic of world views that ends up actually developing out into what I would say is the most truth is when you can simultaneously abstractly reason eight billion people's perspectives you have the most true world view and it's really difficult for a human brain to be able to do that but can you literally see how someone from China sees a certain issue, how someone from the U.S., how someone from the Middle East. Yeah, I think people need to be capturing more of their input history and what input history allows them to reach the conclusion that they read. I think people are often secretive about this because they are insecure about being falsified or they're just insecure about it for a variety of reasons. It's just not what some humans originally do and it makes people creeped out. We're just kinda sad because it inhibits us from reaching, say, sound or epistemic states and then people don't know what exactly led you to think this way. Yep, yep. Especially when it's like privileged information when someone's sitting behind the A's. Yeah, yeah. So logging one's own input stream more effectively, I mean, my input stream specifically is very evident with literally the people we feature on the show, these type of things. It's still not enough, of course. It's still not enough, totally, yeah. Even the amount of other content that I consume, correct, books I read, videos I watch, all that type of stuff. But then the output streams also quite evident in terms of the things that I'm worried, the ways that the worldview is being augmented over time, how evident that is with the ways that I'm speaking about it. Okay, and then maybe any last sort of bits of advice as an interviewer that I could embody. Probably ask for feedback from the other person about what they were expecting, what they were, I mean, maybe not really. Before and after? Both before and after, preferably. But not in a way that would exhaust them or cause them to behave slightly adversely. This is the thing is that when people come in at first, it's all about making them feel super comfortable that they're gonna radiate from their heart as best as they can. They're gonna rock it. And then if I'm asking them, hey, what are your expectations? It's kind of like that can maybe hinder some things. Yeah, I can't also, I don't realize those questions either, even though they're important. It's not what my mind's focused on right now. There's still a lot of advice towards polite signaling, like what you didn't expect very much and... Yeah, and usually it helps when, even when I just show them what notes that I've made for the show and that they're able to co-create and say that they want this or don't want that, that type of stuff, yeah. That helps a lot. And then, yeah, this has been good. I think we covered a decent amount of things, aging, super connecting, interviewing skills. Yeah, we talked a good amount of things. Any other last thoughts on the way up? Yeah, I think there is a chance that this is becoming more self aware shows than most other shows. There's a chance, which if you've got the right people, which I think is going to be important if we ever are to create a hive mind, or a hive mind that coordinates better because right now there is a global coordination problem and the global general global coordination problem is why, basically why shit is going to happen unless we solve it, like whether it's climate change, which is one of the big coordination problems or certain other coordination problems. Yeah, the global giant coordination problem is needing to be over the hive mind. Alex, I think one of the ways that we can approach this aware style of show is that I've repeated this so many times, it's really driving home into my essence. This is not about Al, and this is not about Ron. This is not about simulation. This is about whatever is channeling through us that is inspiring other people to get more involved in building the future. Yeah, so once you get that, yeah, involving people, that's important. And this is something that is really important. This is also a very, very buzz where you're seeing building the future. Everyone talks about this or this value. Yeah, and so I think there's a delicate balance because I do think that one shouldn't overuse that, but I also think that there is also a benefit of spreading that meme over and over again because when people say, why are they so obsessed with building the future? Why do they always talk about that? And then all of a sudden it becomes, yeah, well some people comment in and they're like, oh, I've started pursuing synthetic biology, I've started pursuing neuro-tech or whatever AI that people tell us what fields they start pursuing around the world, but the general idea that if we can repeat memes through songs or through videos, if we can repeat memes, they can become programmed that people start caring more about talking to their families and their friends and their coworkers about building the future. And so there's a delicate balance. Don't overuse, don't have it be too buzzwordy, but at the same time, do push the memes that you care about spreading into the world effectively. Yeah, that's a big balance. So one of the things that I hope we do is that over time with, like you just said, that if the show continues to develop, it's in a very self-aware style that one of the, it doesn't end up diverting itself to something that, like an outside investor or things like that, which is again, why we need help to make sure that that doesn't happen, that we can do things like this conversation that we're having together, can we can add, like we've done before, two more people, three more people, we can have three, four, five, six people sitting around and as we develop the studio, we can really make beautiful round table conversations happening where one person's talking at a time. Yeah, yeah, I think it's important because there is so much information that's lost and when people do meetings in real life, it's all lost after the meeting ends and it's like, and then they have a record of, that's like a lot of people have to meet up because it's just talking and not doing, but if you can capture what the meetup was like, this will basically totally help, and so just totally help make sure that people actually are accountable to what they say, which doesn't happen enough. Yeah, and then it also becomes like we're fusing world views and which is really beautiful. At that point, it would be like you would get a message and maybe like three or four or five of our other friends would get messages and it would say, it would give people an option, hey what do you guys think about coming in August 10th from noon to 2 p.m.? And if people say yes to be able to come into those six people we requested to be on the program, we can basically start at noon in a round table, live streaming it with the multi-camera shoot and we can do a world view fusion. It's like, where has your world view been updated the last two, three months since we last talked? And that's what we talk about around the table. Alex, one last thing on the way I want to ask you about. I want to ask you a question about it and then I want to see what your answer is about it. Where do you get all of your nourishment? Where do you breathe air? Where do you eat food? Where do you drink water? Where do you get those things from? Why I can be this? Where do they come from? Everyone breathes the same air, although I try to breathe like, I go to clean air like this. They come from nature, right? These things come from earth that we live on, right? We're all living in the same house. We're all living on the same planet.  Okay, correct. So we're all living here together. We all breathe the air of the planet. It nourishes us. The water nourishes us. The food nourishes us. You're using such buzzwords. There's the most buzzword you think you're ever saying, most unoriginal point of what they think you have to say. Well, everything that I've been saying in that last segment actually is directly being communicated from spiritual leaders around a planet like Indigenous wisdom. Because what Indigenous leaders are saying, Alex, is that we are extremely disconnected from the earth that sustains us and nourishes us and the interconnectedness of us with all of the other organisms and ecosystems on the planet. Does that resonate? Do you feel? Yes, I know what you're meaning. That's what even Edwardo Wilson puts it in the most scientific way possible, even though he's not super into all that other stuff. That essence of our disconnection from what sustains us as much as we want to just say, oh, that's like buzzword-y and stuff. But as much, really, that is probably the most pressing issue of our time. The global coordination problem is a direct reflection of our inability to understand where we all come from and what sustains us. Does that make sense? Okay, okay. Because that's one of the memes that I think needs to get pushed forward in our world to fix the global coordination problem is when you breathe the air, when you eat the food, when you drink the water, when you take the shower, when you exercise, when you connect to the sun, when you do things like that, it is so much more spiritually connecting to source to where we all come from to our interconnectedness than when we're just trapped in some of the newsfeed algorithms that just keep us there for financial, their own personal financial benefits, their own self-dealing benefits. So, okay. Okay. Yeah. You seem like you're more super hyper-scientifically edge of knowledge-driven and maybe less so focused on the indigenous wisdom side of things. Is that what you say? That's right, yeah. I think, Alex, I think it would also be helpful to capture a little bit of the essence of that indigenous wisdom as you go forth at the edge. I think that would help a lot. Yeah. That may be some feedback from me, from me to you. Yeah. At the least. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. That was fun. Fourth conversation with you, Alex. Good stuff. All right, thanks everyone for tuning in. We greatly appreciate it. We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know what you're thinking. Also, talk to more people, your friends, family coworkers, people online on social media, about the things that we discussed about aging, super connecting, about interviewing. Give us your thoughts as about me and Ron as we keep developing out this show. And hold on a second. Let me just close the show. Let me just close the show. 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