and then he's finally got a break after yeah i want to hear more about that about how there's just another quake right now yeah we're having another quake oh we are having a pretty decent size this is a good size earthquake right now wow we're rocking and rolling this is probably big somewhere else because it doesn't feel close but yeah we're rolling wow wow it's still going yep you see that yeah it's rolling still going this is how this is how people in california deal with earthquakes if you didn't know i mean it's done and it's done it's actually so juicy it's reacting to a video of no one's life oh really like the one we saw with oh freaky yay uh and the uh one of uh this was on the internet i haven't seen it obviously but i saw it on the internet it was uh i saw it didn't have subs so somebody subbed it for us wasn't hanging on us but it was a different situation maybe um because they wanted us to react to other actors like we did rand veer yeah um interesting fact we learned in the rand veer one there was it in and um vj ross yeah we're roommates we were not a dad from gully boy yeah wow yeah there were roommates that's really interesting because we consider them to be comparable heavyweight actors in terms of their depth and capacity that's really cool crazy right yeah yeah okay thank you for spelling it right i don't know quick product okay wait an after At that time, there was no money in the Indie theater, so I used to work as a watchman side by side. There was a toys factory, Noida. At that time, Noida used to live in Tehran. So I opened a small company. I worked there for a year and a half. It was safe that I was thinking that I had not taken any big dreams with me. But this was what I used to survive. When I was living in Delhi, it was so difficult to survive. So there was only one thing that I was able to survive. And the rest of the work that I would get, I would do any small work. One scene would be the same. I would not be able to do anything big. First, I tried TV. I did not get much in TV that I got work in two episodes. And then I got it. And then I got it. You can relate right? I tried it in a film. I got it in one scene. So it was just that I got a scene and my work started. And this scene had been going on for about 10-11 years. And there was a rejection. The rejection was that I had become used to. It was so easy that when you get rejection in a couple of episodes, you are a little bit disappointed. But when a lot of people go, you do not care about it. The thing that came out of this, I left it. But the problem was that I knew this. I knew something else about it. If I had left it, what would I have done?  I had done it. I had done it for 7-8 years. I had to do the same. Or I had to go to my village. The village was very difficult. I lost. I lost to a soldier. I lost. I had no idea. So I had a lot of questions like this. They said, whatever will happen, bad will happen. It will not happen. That is why I did not come back. Do not sit with God. What does God know? Sit with us. I was getting started and I was hoping it was going to keep going. I know. Plan B, he was in. I love that thing about, if I went back to my village, they would say who is this soldier who is coming back from the lost war. And he was like, I am either winning this war or I am dying in battle. And I love, obviously I love that he fell in love with theater. But the fact that he was a street performer, so put on my theater teacher hat here, for those of you who do not know, the history of theater, it had been suppressed during the dark ages to the point where it was just traveling bands of troops of actors and was almost put to the point of extinction during the dark ages. But then the Renaissance age of theater came ironically through the church when they started to do things called liturgical plays in the midst of their messages and sermons. And then they had a great idea which was, these are so effective in communicating stories that we want to tell, why don't we put them out on the front of the church so that the general public can see it, not just the people in the church. So those liturgical plays were then presented outside. And then people took them from the church step and started performing them in the streets and they were called morality plays. And from there came the age of Shakespeare and the Renaissance of theater. So, I mean, he is a genuine, it's chosen his work. The man is a thespian by the highest order, you know. He's just his commitment to the art form, his love of the art form and his commitment to the industry. A very rare actor in many ways, but in terms of just how he came up in India and in Hollywood. You have to be related to somebody really in order to really make it an anomaly. I mean, we know it is nepotism. That's why you see people who have similar or less names or come from fathers, grandfathers, mothers, whoever and that's here in Hollywood as well. So for some, he total outsider came from a village, didn't know anybody in the industry at all. And sadly, because he was so dark, he was considered to not be very marketable compared to fairer skin doctors. So that's one of the reasons among many. But when you watch his work, you guys really need to see his work and we've just touched on it. So many we haven't seen. And I do believe, even though I think acting wise, he's Gary Altman, but I think story wise, he's very Steve Carell in terms of Steve Carell was struggling for his personal story. And no one knew him. Obviously he's very different, because obviously Steve Carell got started in comedy. And I don't know if Noah has done a comedy. Did you know he was in Deb Dostre? No, I know. Deb D. I was a person there. Sorry, I know. But yeah, he struggled for about 15 years and then he's finally got a break after. Yeah, I wanted to hear more about that. There's this earthquake right now. Yeah, we're having an earthquake. We are having an earthquake. This is a good size earthquake right now. We're rocking and rolling. This is probably big somewhere else, because it doesn't feel close. Wow, it's still going. Yeah, it's rolling. It's still going. This is how people in California deal with earthquakes if you didn't know. Yeah, it started by getting dizzy. Yeah, it's still going. It's a long one. This is a big one far away. Oh yeah. It's still rolling. I think that's the biggest one I've felt. Oh yeah. I think it's done. And that's a California earthquake for you. Hopefully everybody where it actually got hit is okay. Yeah, that was sizable and that was far away. Wow, jeez. I'll go check my phone and see where that thing came from.


So I'm going to get started. I've got five minutes to tell you about VMware Pivotal Container Service, or PKS. So what this is, is a purpose-built container service for operationalizing Kubernetes. So what does that mean? It means that we're taking open-source Kubernetes, so standard open-source bits. We're not changing the bits at all, packaging that, and deploying it on initially vSphere and the VMware Cloud on AWS. What this does is unify the management of VMs and containers in a single platform, including down to the networking level. So part of PKS is the option to deploy NSXT, which gives you networking to the individual VM, but also using a CNI plug-in down to the container level or the pods that you're deploying in Kubernetes. So this is hardened and a production grade platform that takes advantage of the underlying vSphere infrastructure to provide HA, to increase security, provide multi-tenancy and integration with a suite of VMware tools to manage the platform. So it begins with Project Kubo, which was started by Google in Pivotal and then donated to the Cloud Foundry Foundation. So we're using Bosch to deploy Kubernetes clusters and then to give you the ability to deliver Kubernetes on demand. And then you get all of those day two operations that you associate with Bosch. So being able to identify service outages and restart those services to recreate failed VMs, to elastically scale out the nodes or scale in the nodes of a Kubernetes cluster. You also get the ability to do rolling upgrades with little to no downtime. So if you want to go from 1.66 to 1.71 of Kubernetes, you can do that without having application outages. I mentioned high availability before, but also the ability to deploy clusters in multiple availability zones and isolate physical resources for individual clusters. So this is a pictorial view of what we've got. A couple of Kubernetes clusters deployed with Bosch, integrated with Google Cloud Platform Service Broker. So it allows you to leverage things like BigQuery in your Kubernetes applications. It comes with an enterprise container registry built called Project Harbor that was started by VMware. I mentioned NSX is included in this. You get the integration to the vRealize suite of tools for things like logging and network management, monitoring, et cetera. Also, integration to vSAN and basic storage policy in Kubernetes. So you can have an application that can decide they should go on a production storage or on development level storage, that kind of thing. So what is the difference between Kubo and PKS? What's in PKS? Well, you start with several open source products. So you've got Bosch. You have a CPI or a cloud provider interface that gets you to the underlying vSphere platform. We're including Kubernetes. We have a plug-in, CNI plug-in to the networking. So this is really Kubo. What you get with PKS is you get NSXT. You get this Enterprise Register Project Harbor. You get the ability to deploy Kubo and to configure it, to also configure underlying vSphere, the networking resources, and the registry. You also get a new API that's on top of Bosch. So it's specific to deploying Kubernetes. You'll get a CLI and API. You'll get a UI with this as well. So now you can do something like PKS Create Cluster, for instance, and you get a Kubernetes cluster to be deployed. Our plans right now are two different packaging formats. If you have PCF, you're familiar with Ops Manager. You'll get a tile for Ops Manager to do the deployment of PKS. If you're a VMware admin, you'll get an OVA form factor to do that deployment. This is available through VMware, Pivotal, and Dell EMC. And whoever you buy it from, you'll call them for support. And we'll all work together on the back end to support you. This is available as a GA product at the end of December this year. So if you want to get a deeper dive on this, come by our booth. I'll be there. My colleague, Nathan Ness, is doing a 20-minute presentation tomorrow at 3.30 in this room, if you'd like to see that as well. Thank you.


Your coca-cola bottler presents Claudia based on the famous play and novels by Rose Franken Brought to you transcribed Monday through Friday by your friendly neighbor who bottles coca-cola Relax and while you're listening refresh yourself. Have a coke and now Claudia I'm in here. So beautiful and shiny clean clothes clean everything. What's the occasion? Dr. Barry's coming to see him. I want Bobby to make a good impression. You mean you want to make a good impression Yeah, what are you doing at the desk? I knew my peace and quiet was at an end the minute I heard your chirping voice What are you doing? Working. What are all those blanks and sheets of paper David? I'm filling out my insurance reports on the accident now. Are you satisfied? No, how many do you have to fill out? This looks like scads of them Scads of them.  Why? Well, I know lots more about the accident than you do You were unconscious most of the time remember? It might interest you to know that I wasn't unconscious until after the accident That's good. Okay. It might have been worse. Very funny Go away What sort of things do they want to know? Everything well for instance for instance everything use your head What time where how it happened why it happened whose fault it was what happened to the car? How much it cost to repair the car fortune that how much exactly the kind of specific answer they're looking for the fortune Still I have as much right to fill out this blank as you have what makes you think so Well, you're my husband. It's our car. All right. All right. If you want to fill out these forms. All right You go ahead. It's all yours. No, thank you.  They better pay you all they owe you or else. Well, you write them a letter. I'll wait and see David you'll be persistent. You have to be firm with these insurance companies What have you been reading? Nothing. I heard something on the radio. Oh What are you looking for now? Running out of matches for my pipe.  Well, it was my best pipe and you were my best husband were our poor Jesse What? Poor Jesse I give up what darling one minute you're talking love to me in the next you're saying poor Jesse Who is this Jesse in what you have to do with us everything? Darling, don't you remember? Jesse Mason it was her husband who crashed into your car George Mason Poor devil. Hmm. He didn't have much of a reputation around town.  I Wonder if everyone he was oh shuffling along Main Street late at night eating a shave Wonder if he ever thought back to when he was a little boy all clean and new and Then looked at himself and wondered what happened to him darling, I'm I'm afraid that's life and it's frightening David you haven't heard anything about what's happened to Jesse. Have you know, maybe dr. Barry will know he knows most all the news around town I feel so sorry for her When you were lying unconscious in dr. Barry's office, she and I were waiting together in the waiting room We're both waiting to hear about our husbands Did I ever tell you how she arrived at dr. Barry's office with a man? He just couldn't get it to be quiet She howled and she cried and she said if anything happened to her husband She'd sell her place and move out of town and start all over again She didn't have any children I pity her so pity is a very strong word. I know She was so busy pretending. She knew what she lost and she didn't have the least idea her husband dying was just another man And yet she knew she ought to feel something so she screamed and she cried and howled Poor Jesse Darling, it's It's not very nice to feel sorry for people. I know but I can't help it. I I Just wish there was something I could do for her. I'm sure she must need some help In a way, I feel as if I owe life Something now that you're well and everything's perfect again. I Even feel smug. Now, you ought to be ashamed. Well, I'm not Now stop talking get back to your insurance blank me stop talking. Yes, you get back to work Hardly been able to get a word in edgewise stop complaining Fill your pipe and start to work on your forms and don't talk to me. I'm going to read Some women have more nerves Concentrating Good, I'm reprieved. Here's dr. Barry. He won't run away. You don't have to break your neck running to him. I never break my neck Hello, hello dr. Barry. Well, Claudia How's everything? Well, David's well the baby's well all's well with the world. My gosh, don't I sound smug though? I don't know why you need a doctor to call on you. It's a luxury. We just love having a visit with you It's a pleasure to come Well David you're looking like yourself. Mm-hmm. I was just telling Claudia. I don't think you need a doctor at all We'll always need a friend. Come on in. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's a fine house you have here. I always liked that paneling over the fireplace Especially now that you're scraped it down to pine through 11 coats of paint and one of wallpaper Now I wouldn't part with it for a million dollars. Don't you wave a check under his nose dr. Barry won't do any good I wouldn't even offer no man should be parted from his paneling Well now I must remember that I'm a doctor not an architect. How's the baby? Bobby's fine He doesn't cry. He sleeps all the time. He eats wonderfully. He's getting enormous I can still pick him up with only one hand. I don't think you'd like him very much if you couldn't David I haven't weighed him. I thought I'd wait till you came and then she won't be able to cheat Now tell me David seriously. Oh, yeah, you have any headaches. No, not a one good No difficulties at all. Yeah Are you feeling any fatigue? I strain nervous bit. No, open your left eye wide No, I I've been feeling all right. Nothing at all. I'm better than new Fine No, what about your collarbone? Can you raise your arm yet without any pain or discomfort? Well? I'm still a bit shy of moving it too suddenly, but it doesn't seem to trouble me much when I do Pain in your chest. No, not a thing. Well, and I dare say We've come out of something that could have been very serious with remarkably few scars. I'm very grateful Hey, you should be David says I'm even smug and you said it yourself Dr. Barry. Yeah, I don't want to be nosy, but is there anything we can do for Jesse Mason Do for her. Well, I mean I Can't help feeling terribly guilty that everything turned out so perfectly for us and heaven only knows what's happened to her No, that's very nice of you. No, it isn't nice. It's almost an obligation I don't think you're obligated to Jesse anyway, her husband is dead Mine isn't I know that lots of people criticize Jesse for the way she carried on and fake her life was but I Only feel sorry for It's not as bad as being critical But Jesse's all right. Doctor. We were just wondering if you might happen to know what happened to the woman She said she was gonna leave town. Do you know if she did? Well, as a matter of fact, no, she didn't Well, is she going to I doubt it? Oh Honey, I thought surely she would well things have changed a little for Jesse In the last few weeks since George's died as a result of his own negligence She's not quite the woman she used to be You mean she's not taking it well. Oh, no, no quite the contrary It's as if Jesse were finally awake shocked into waking up Yeah, she's become quite another person That sounds like good news doctor as it is she's Taking a job at Mrs. Allenworth as a companion, you know, Mrs. Allenworth is blind She's dependent on Jesse for every step she takes. That's quite a responsibility Seems to me it's just what Jesse needed It's interesting, isn't it? How lives twist and turn and if you give them plenty of time and all the rope they need Eventually they find their own way home. It's so painful for some people. Yes Still that's their own destiny Things work in a larger pattern You have to believe that the small make up the large days fit into months and years and the centuries Every soul in this town of Eastbrook is part of the life of this community Well, I've seen lives come and go fortunes rise and fall Folks squander themselves and then at the last moment save themselves So I never rushed to make a judgment Just wait and see That's quite a philosophy you've achieved when you've seen as much life as I have David Such a philosophy comes easy You can't be critical of one person when you know that that one person is not alone, but a part of the general order of things Sooner or later, that's proved to you. This is with Jesse. There was an accident. Her husband was killed and now She's a person again and a month ago. Nobody would have believed it except dr. Barry Now David, don't give me credit for it. It's just a matter of survival If you live long enough, you know learn to take your time with people Most of them come out. All right. I know I've seen it Yes, it's the larger pattern of life that you must look for and I am a little bit embarrassed Embarrassed why? Well, I didn't wait Here I was feeling sorry for Jesse almost almost condescending. Oh Pity yes, I wanted to help her but in a way. I was a little proud that I was me and not Jesse Mason so now I I'm a little bit embarrassed No reason to be just when I think I've learned all about life of tragic how Exciting and beautiful it can be I find I'm just a beginner We all are Beginners Do you sometimes get the impression that everything you buy costs a lot more than it used to? Then think a minute. How much did you pay for that last case of Coca-Cola a dollar? Just like always You see some of the good things of life haven't gone up at all How's your supply of coke? Better put it on tomorrow's marketing list Well, I've just seen the young squire, Mr. King. You mean the air into the Norton acres young Bobby He's a fine baby boy. He has master Bobby's a great favorite of all of us We've taken all our bets that he'll grow up to be a fine man, too. He should he has a family for it And finally young couple. I've never met them. Mr. and Mrs. Norton. I feel just the same way dr. Barry Well, maybe what I like best about them is that they're self-sufficient Most of their pledges come from themselves. Yes, they don't often go around looking for entertainment like tomorrow night Even a simple game of solitaire is enough for an evening's fun with them. Well, that's the way life should be Goodbye, Mr. King. Bye dr. Barry Every day Monday through Friday claudia comes to you transcribed with the best wishes of your friendly neighbor who bottles Coca-Cola So listen again tomorrow at the same time And now this is joking saying or of war and remember Whoever you are whatever you do wherever you may be When you think of refreshment Think of Coca-Cola For Coca-Cola makes any pause the pause that refreshes and ice-cold Coca-Cola is everywhere This broadcast of claudia was supervised and directed by William Brown Maloney And now here's a word from your friendly neighbor who bottles Coca-Cola


guys subscribe and turn notifications on leave a like and drop a comment down below get here first and win giveaway calls i will pin as first comment on some of my videos be fast and good luck what is going on guys welcome back to the channel and i appreciate you being here today i bring you another destiny 2 video and today i bring you in a legit way you can get your hands on black army weapons in game now early pretty damn epic people but before we go any further if you guys do enjoy the video and would like to show you support you can by hitting that like button and if you're new around here and enjoy daily destiny 2 videos be sure to subscribe okay so there is a way you can actually get black army legendary weapons right now and it's pretty damn easy and you can farm these for as long as you want so there are four locations known at the minute where you can farm mini buses which have a chance of dropping black army weapons such as the ones you can see on screen now so these buses are high value targets which spawn in occasionally when they do spawn in you'll see these messages pop up on screen neutralize shield drones and a forge saboteur has arrived when you see this start looking for this mini bus upon seeing him you will notice he has a shield to take the shield down you need to shoot the drone surrounding him once destroyed his shield will fall and you are free to then kill him now the loot only drops from him the black army relational gear drops via engrams from these mini buses there were also a few chests in the form of some kind of weird unit looking thing has also got shields around them where you need to kill these as drones but they actually seem to be empty so when you shoot the actual drone the shield drops can collect the loot but you don't seem to be getting anything yet i'm guessing you won't get nothing there until the black army drops next week but yeah guys pretty pretty easy to do not gonna lie so the four locations you want to do this with or you can do this with and you could rotate between each the first one is here within the gush area on the EDZ there's also one spawned natskirts on the EDZ and also a nesses within the hollows area and also the artifacts edge area so all for these locations people these enemies spawn in these buses spawn in mini buses spawn in you can basically do as you do shoot the drones take down shields kill them and they have a chance of dropping black army legendary gear pretty damn epic paper so yeah guys this is how you get that black armor loot early also before we end massive shout out to my buddy dark arm games for the information on these buses and also the gameplay and some of the loot images from massive shout out to him but guys thanks as always for stopping by if you enjoyed the video leave me a like leave a dislike out if you want a new rant here enjoy game destiny 2 videos like type 5 guides reviews absolutely everything make sure you subscribe and if you never want to miss a video i upload two notifications and by hitting that bell button but again thanks for stopping by and hopefully i will see you on that next mohan now


Okay. Well, thank you everyone. I think we'll go ahead and get started. Appreciate all the participation here. We have an hour booked for this discussion. We've got a lot of folks I'm looking at that we've smiling faces here that have worked with in different contexts, different perspectives in the industry. Some really cool projects as well. So looking forward to this discussion. We're going to keep it pretty free flowing and just kind of roll with topics. We obviously wanted to focus on, you know, Firefly a bit and multi-party systems and why we think this could be really interesting and get your guys's input on that. And Sophia is going to join back in a second as well and she's participating.  I think before we jump in, if we could just give everyone like a 20-second intro just to introduce yourself and I'll do the roll call starting with you, Tony. All right. We're one for one on the new button so far. It is a little hard. It is a little hard to find on the hop and platform. We'll go to John and come back to Tony in a sec. Great. John, I'm the CTO of Greenfence and that Greenfence has two sort of business verticals, if you will. One is consumer side, which is coupons rebates and collectibles in conjunction with retailers and the supply chain side, which is center around food safety. We've been a user of collateral technology for, gosh, a couple of years now. I think it's a couple of years at least. Maybe you guys can tell me better. And yeah, super enthusiastic too. I'm super excited to discuss the impact of the release of the suite of tools. Yeah. And so John wears those dual hats of more of the B2B side of things as well as the digital assets tokens platform. So really broad perspective.  You're still on mute, Tony. Okay. We'll give you another minute. Gary. Yeah, so, yeah, I worked with a few of you characters in various capacities over the years. Currently, I actually currently work for Google, not related to blockchain, but, you know, where Google allows you to work on the open source stuff, especially if it's Apache licensed. So yeah, I was a been a maintainer and contributor for Hyperledger Fabric on Hyperledger TSC, ran blockchain at IBM for a bit. And yeah, excited about Firefly was one of the sponsors as you guys know for bringing it into Hyperledger. So glad to be here. Great. Peter. Thank you Steve. So I'm the head of engineering at Collido. And at Collido we've been focused on making all of this blockchain tech consumable for enterprise throughout our journey. Me personally as an engineer, I've lived pretty much all of the trains of multi-party system integration that came before blockchain messaging integration.  So I've seen that seeing things happen multiple times in this space. And I'm really excited that the nascent potential of blockchain to really accelerate what ecosystem building can be is really, really, really possible now. And really hoping that Firefly can be the project that brings us together to bring it to a much wider audience. Like 100x the projects happening every year is the hope that we can do with this. Guillaume. So I'm Guillaume. I'm the founder at Atato. So we are a team based in Southeast Asia. Users of Kadeido, like John. And we are basically building blockchain platforms for banks and financial institutions in the region. And I'm super excited to join this very impressive panel. All right. Thanks Guillaume. Brian. I'm Brian Belendorf. I'm executive director of Hyperledger. And just really excited to see the project come in and want to support this and the growing community in any way that I can. Thank you, Sophia. Thanks Steve. Yeah, this is actually one of the founders, co-founders of Klaido. And this panel is great. I'm just looking all the faces. Gary, we had the privilege to work together. And that was, it's really great to see you again. I know Guillaume and John have been, we've been working with you guys for almost, I think, three years now. You actually interacted quite a bit with some of our open source components of eConnect that are now part of Firefly. John, you know, your team launched NFTs three years ago when no one knew what NFTs were. But you were working with all the biggest T-Mobile, Kroger, Sony Fox, Heineken and others. And then Tony, Tony leads a team that's one of the most sophisticated approaches we've seen in the industry for working through use cases, bringing clients together into building the consortiums and the product management discipline and professionalism there. Just mapping that now to building decentralized ecosystems. I think there's a lot of insight there. And of course, Brian, it feels like coming home, coming back to Hyperledger since, you know, we were there at the start when Hyperledger was first formed and we came on board and always loved your vision and loved to see and how it's grown and developed over the years. So, welcome everyone. I'm happy to be here on the panel with you guys. Tony, over to you. I don't see a new button anymore. Yeah, I'm hopeful. I had to play with my settings on my Chrome browser and now actually it's piping audio. Yes, this is great. I'm so excited to be on the panel. Tony Sazzo, head of product operations. You know, my role is helping 30 of the largest insurance companies in the U.S. to develop shared applications in the insurance and risk management space. So really excited to be here to speak to y'all. Cool. Well, let's jump in right there, Tony. You know, you're talking about shared applications. Maybe you could start with a couple of thoughts on just what's different about these decentralized applications that, you know, the other stuff that we've been doing and we continue to do. What makes these particularly difficult? Sure. So, I guess, for me, it's kind of a, or for risk stream, I guess it's a double lambing, because not only are our applications decentralized, our design process is decentralized as well. So in order to design an application, we bring together and we create a working group with five, 10, 15 different companies, all with different motives and different challenges that they're trying to accomplish as part of a shared business process. So, you know, what makes this kind of different is that instead of, you know, an AIG, or instead of a USA, or instead of a company trying to put together a core system or something that a technology product that they're trying to put in place to solve one problem just for themselves, they need to be able to solve that problem collaboratively with everybody else. And everybody on the network needs to get some sort of value out of that, you know, achieving that problem. You can't kind of disenfranchise or make the value less for a particular participant, because everybody kind of needs to kind of work together to accomplish the same goal. Yeah, so you've got, we sort of split it, the problem in half, you've got the business side of the problem, and then the technical side. Gary, jumping into the technical side of, you know, these decentralized applications, what's your perspective on what's really challenging and hard about them? Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things with, on the business side, right, which was, you know, we used to have a long time ago, like internal processes, right, and there was like architectures, like, you know, message brokers, message buses, service-oriented architecture, right, how do we make everything loosely coupled, et cetera, sort of inside the enterprise, maybe even at, you know, processes on top of that.  But as the world's kind of gone on now, right, we actually now need to take those workflow and data systems, and they're now not just part of your company, but they have to involve all of those parties, right. And I think for a while, there really weren't good ways of making sure that we could have, you know, the right sort, the right consensus protocols, for example, right, for sharing right across this data, right. And especially when you trust but don't trust, right, you know, trust but verify, you know, if you will, sort of mechanism, right. So I think that's been, you know, some of the important factors there. And then those protocols have come around, they're really kind of in the blockchain layer, right, there's several frameworks out there, you mentioned earlier, you know, for doing that. And then I think the next difficulty on top of that is, well, okay, now I've got this sort of layer that handles the transaction, some of the business logic and rules and execution. But how do I actually like build applications that orchestrate that stuff, right, because everybody again is still used to just building like my app that I share, right, we've moved to a world where I have a web app and everybody uses that web app, right. But this is sort of different right it's like I need to have my version of it or your stuff right it's more that interaction like workflow type type applications right so we got as far as the plumbing layer, I think, but then the next layer up to really make this take off to match all the stuff that you know sort of Tony was talking about is to have this kind of orchestration layer that spans enterprises and can leverage blockchain technology. So that that that had been the gap I think up until, you know, now, hopefully. If that's the logical passive via what what are tell us some of the horror stories. What what's that look like in practice. Well, I mean, I guess we touch upon this in the over the opening keynote, but in the past years. If you go back to 2015 2016 the first real enterprise projects were starting people thought you know they're building blockchain and it's writing smart contracts putting everything on the chain. And when they start actually building the projects out they realize you know five to 10% of what they're doing is really running the nodes and it's always off chain components. So that decentralized off chain tech that that was new and emerging that they needed to learn and get to use and often a lot of commodity tech like some of the stuff Gary was talking about just building a whole solution around it so it ended up taking a lot a lot more time you know they thought it'd be couple you know number of months and end up being a number of years maybe they never even got into production spent 10s and millions of dollars a lot of custom consulting because there was no real open source project that tackled those sorts of plumbing layers for them so each time was being rebuilt. So I think one of the things we were excited from the early days is how can we really accelerate the adoption of this tech, you know, make sort of the plumbing easy parts people could focus on business application logic business value doing the hard work like Tony is doing around bringing stakeholders all just together in the insurance industry John is doing that in the entertainment and retail and supply chain spaces. So, you know, I think that's where the industry has been there are clients who shipped into this new approach. So we wanted to open this up and have everyone in the industry be able to join the community contribute the benefit as well. Brian, from your perspective, you know, how has how have you seen hyper ledger projects, helping with some of those problems and where, where do you think are sort of do you come up against the wall. And, you know, is there an opportunity for another generation or another way of projects to come and help maybe in some of those areas. Oh, sure. I mean, you often see conversation on the different mailing lists and in in chat and that sort of thing where people are asking questions that aren't really specifically like, like, I think I found a bug or I think there's a question about specific feature but really questions about how to do design for distributed applications and this realization that everyone seems to independently make once they get in, but really should be more front center, which is that block chains are not a big data tool. Everyone is so wired around big data and machine learning models and you know that they're like, this must just be like a gigantic enterprise service bus right and I just want to throw everything into it. But really it's more of a small batch artisanal data tool right and that you really want to use it as sparingly as possible but still, you know, encode some some important logic and in the smart contracts when when when that's appropriate. And that leads to to something that's both like a technical design kind of thing and that's where people need help understanding it but also somewhat of a social design to and it reminds me even of like 22 years ago. Hewlett Packard released this like R&D project out as an open source thing to try to get folks interested in called eSpeak, which is like pre web services, even right.  There were things like, well, let's imagine you're the shoe industry, and this is how you would use the software if you were the shoe industry. Well, no one person is the shoe industry, right. Everyone has their roles to play. And so figuring out how to do design of even these these individual blockchain networks that you build is necessarily a collaborative process. It necessarily means talking with people outside your organization. That's the kind of thing that open source projects when they're done right know how to do. And so there's a lot of resonance here between those two. And I think the more that we can try to help people understand how to how to do those kinds of collaborative, you know, communication and design processes, the better off even the individual blockchain projects built using these tools will be. How about you? How have you seen sort of customers and some of these larger projects overcoming some of the unforeseen technology obstacles that that present themselves when they're trying to do something decentralized for the first time. Yeah, I guess for me, from what I've seen the things that matter most are the poor developers or specialists. What you've got is usually there's some kind of network operator. Maybe it's the, you know, the best people who know blockchain phone into a mix from a whole bunch of companies. Maybe it's a separate business entity that's been created. And they're kind of the only people in the whole organization or the whole of the network that kind of understand blockchain of its core. And then what you've actually got a whole bunch of business people trying to use the next generation of the way that they're they're going to solve a really hard problem that's taking them weeks and they want it to take minutes. You've got web developers trying to build great user experience to show how these business people can do something better because of blockchain and trying really hard but not to look like they're really ugly slow multiple second for transaction mess that they've seen elsewhere in the blockchain space and have something that's great feels good responsive. And then and then you've got and I guess I care a lot about these these guys because I've worked with them so long. You've got the enterprise integration people inside of the organizations that look after the core data systems and the on mounts and your fans and the data and no one ever gets past. No one can ever get to shadow production or even definitely not past shadow production without integrating those core systems. And so you've got like, you know, networks with 10 2030 large organizations as 10 2030 integration teams that need to know how to connect in. So it really matters how easy it is for none blockchain tech people to be able to get data and be able to get data out. And it really matters that the system behaves normally doesn't behave in some crazy strange way. And and and we've been on a journey like with the technology that we've been building trying to help with interconnects and other bits to try and just make blockchain feel like a technology that makes sense to you know, mortal engineers like me who just come from a world where stuff what makes sense is well established. I'm when I'm thinking about someone who's dealt with large organizations that may or may not care that blockchains actually part of the solution. And I see you on the screen that certainly, you know, some ideas come to mind there. I mean, how have you how have you dealt with, you know, some of these these larger initiatives and projects over the years, and maintaining that balance and customer interest but but trying to maintain the velocity of what you what you're doing. Yeah, it's a great question. I think speaking a bit to what Peter was just saying I think one of the areas in which we can do better is to do a little bit better in terms of education and helping in the sort of cultural discussions that surround blockchain technology right. There's these natural tensions that exist. When we're trying to build a consortium, for example, if you're trying to find four or five or six or 10 organizations that would naturally want to collaborate together on a source of shared truth. And generally you would, you would, you'd find you'd find that organizations that generally we're attracted to collaborating in general would be the best candidates but those aren't necessarily the best candidates to operate a shared of source truth a shared source of truth right you know you actually want competitors. To be in to be in that space because they are the narrative that you can tell around that to the rest of the world is that these people wouldn't aren't naturally inclined to call it. So you've got that challenge right this natural tension between best people would be collaborators best to actually share data the best people to actually operate a shared data system or not collaborators at all. So we have to tell that story I think a little bit better certain something that we struggle with the next is besides the sort of technical practitioners that are right in the space as you were saying here. Nobody else really understands the technology, not really. I mean, I go from day to day or week to week with somebody coming in trying to fix me a better blockchain based solution. And the way that they position themselves against the solutions that we're already using this almost always demonstrates that they don't really understand the state of the art in the space at all. Right. And you almost want to sit him down and say okay so let's talk about blockchain technology right versus a mom and a dad and they love each other and they get together and it's just really super simple version B stuff that you have to sort of do right.   That's sort of naturally in a sort of balance of the challenge there is that I think the most successful way to actually introduce this technology is to choose one thing, right one pain point. Roll in solve that problem, not change everything not not replace everything in the system but identify one specific pain point and work on that. And then you can sort of you know, slide the rest of the stuff in as and when people actually acknowledge that you're adding value, and that it makes sense for more and more of their production to move into the system where you know the ecosystem that you created. What's exciting to me about Firefly. I'm going to jump into that really briefly is that, you know, I've been, I started out as a minor in the ecosystem I've been an Ethereum fan forever and I see what's happened in decentralized finance there. Specifically with the composability of you know smart contract development across that ecosystem and so as these pieces become available. People do crazy. You know, one imaginable stuff with it right if you were talking about smart contracts in 2017, we were looking for an example, everybody would say escrow right and escrow contract. Today, what you can do with maker and alchemy and curve and you can you can layer seven things together to achieve you know crazy returns on tokenized value that nobody could have imagined or even described three years ago and I so I think that, you know, as me as a technical person, I'm sorry if I'm talking too much, you know, the first thing I do when I try and solve a problem is I say what's out there like what what do I not have to build because it already exists. Right. And I and I immediately go to the open source community is what I've done since the late 80s right well, I'm sure there are smarter people than me that have already either face these problems and come up with specific approaches so the availability of something like this even three years ago would have been like oh this is great I don't have to solve any of these issues any of these technical issues I can work on the things that are harder.  Thanks. Deal. What's your perspective on some of the topics that that we've done here. You know, maybe the mix or how big is the integration to the back office system. How big of a piece is that in the puzzle and what's your sense for the mix of effort that you apply to a project, sort of from the business use case down through the plumbing. Yeah, so yeah happy to share and you know we're working typically with banks or other financial institutions or like John is saying they're in production they have systems they're already running so I guess a big part of the challenge then is in on the integration with those systems. And, you know, when I when we look on that side of the state of blockchain today, you know, we have a carry on like, like we were discussing you know it's an amazing tool it's an amazing machine. But really at its core Ethereum is just like a secure share CPU. And that's it.  And so when you think about it you know tools like Firefly and the infrastructure that Caledon is building. We see it kind of like an operating system. You know, we're still in the early stages so maybe it's the dose of you know those new types of computers that we call blockchain right. And so with those you can do IO you can do you know some management features you can do some kind of utility function that you must build when then you want to develop applications on top of it. And so you know nobody today would go and say I'm going to build a new application let's start by writing an operating system doesn't make any sense. And so we blockchain three years ago we had to write our own operating systems to do things like IO and you know basic functions of using this short computer. And I think that now that we have companies like Caledon that are building those operating systems, we can really go much faster. You know, companies do not have to reinvent the wheel like they're saying and we can turn to open source tools like Firefly. And so, you know, I think it's so complex that it's natural that it's taken a few years for the community to realize what shape a blockchain operating system has you know and what functions we want from it. But to me Firefly it's kind of that step along the way you know we start to have a better vision of what it takes to do IO on blockchain and what's kind of the core function of a blockchain operating system so yeah I'm super excited for it. Yeah, that's great. Well, to Sophia and Peter, you know, just building on Guillaume's metaphor of kind of the computer there. And we had talked earlier in the day about how Caledon had sort of organically built this IP over time. But now, you know, we feel like Hyperledger is the right place for this sort of a system. Maybe try and give some color to that around what's the thinking there and what's the opportunity for a larger system like this and why should it be done in the open? Maybe I'll start and Sophia you can go after. I think we've learned what success looks like. We've fished enough people out the soup with tech to know kind of what's needed. But I think the problem, you know, if body body systems are going to be a thing, the scale is big, you know, AI to be a thing the scale is big. And I believe as a developer and as an engineer, because it's the only way I build anything that the only way that that kind of scale of change happens is through open source nowadays. And while we know for Hyperledger where potentially like upper layer from where Hyperledger has been, we also see the diversity inside of Hyperledger, which is fantastic diversity of people of backgrounds, particularly with Bessie having come come in. There really is the community to come together to solve the hard problems. So it's really, really exciting for us and it's new for us to be part of something that could only be successful by being collaborative and being big in a way that open source can do that. And, you know, don't want to have to grant a thought but we do think that like blockchain tech and multi body systems needs done for it, what Kubernetes did for Docker, right. And we don't know what piece of the puzzle Firefly fits into, but we know we want to be a part of that community that's trying to do that same that same thing. And and it's really exciting, but that maybe that can be a lockstep to allow multi body systems to achieve that next stage of growth that we all want them to. Sophia, you have anything. Yeah, I think just a little hopping on to what gave the back of what Peter said. I mean, I think hyper ledger has the the enterprise blockchains or open source communities is center of gravity is in hyper ledger. So it seemed like a natural place from the timing perspective. Yeah, I think if you look at other new emerging technologies like AI, you know, there were fits and starts for decades. It wasn't consumable, even maybe I'm reflecting now seven years ago, eight years ago, you know, if you went to some large major it vendors, I'm not going to name names who had very prominent AI offerings. There were huge services engagements. You know, it wasn't really till there was a lot of sort of innovation in the startup side and then even the larger vendors moved to just the easy API is cloud driven that people could start through pulling AI into their solutions. So I think we're blocked enterprise blockchain is, you know, we see as John mentioned deep fire really taking off. And I love your analogies around the IO. I mean, the need for some basic functionality. If that doesn't appear in the community now, think just the adoption would stall under the weight of all these projects where people have spent a lot of money.  But it'd be a shame to sort of clip the wings of all this innovation that's needed as you know, post COVID, the world is looking to digitally transform a lot of back office processes. So I think there's sort of a perfect storm of forces where we can really help unleash the potential of this for the good of companies and governments. And it boils down to, you know, our health care experience of looking for a provider, you know, some of these things are even just public data, but the weight companies share them. We can't find the doctors accepting new clients in that work. We can't, you know, get an appointment, maybe the wrong phone number in there. I mean, there's just basic problems that could be solved. Tony, I know you're one project you worked on. And this was during, you know, COVID in, you know, March, and you look at what was happening in New York last year, you know, families were affected by someone who passed away. Well, they didn't know if they had life insurance. There was no coordination between all the parties. There's no master death record in the US, which can sound a little bit morbid. But when you lose a loved one, and now you need to get 15 paper copies of a certificate stamped and then take it to a bank, take it to a funeral home. You know, spend many hours with insurance companies, you know, it's great to see companies want like the carriers want to solve that problem. And Tony, you worked with them on that. So we want the technology to be there for them in a form where they can really move fast and get to those outcomes to help people. Tony, you want to add anything to that? Sure. It's actually kind of interesting because it's double edged. I think that the insurance companies want to do everything that they can to service their customers. So it's the ability to kind of bring together through all of those different disparate channels, the different stakeholders and the different information streams through the DLT to kind of make that possible. Right? So that, you know, when somebody is deceased, you don't have to go to the bank and you don't have to share that information with the 80 other parties that are necessary to actually, you know, bring somebody's final affairs into relief and to make sure that you have the ability to redeem your life insurance policy, your annuity or what have you. So there's also incentive based portion of it too. You know, in general insurance companies are not incentivized to share information with other insurance companies. So, you know, one of the things that was great about that use case is the ability to actually build an infrastructure, whether it's a tokenized infrastructure through some other incentives, that, you know, one party sharing information with another creates value for both parties. And in the end, I guess the customers made whole of doing that. Gary, going back maybe to a couple of Peter's comments from a few minutes ago, and I know you had shared, you signed the proposal for this project and when we talked with you about it, you said you'd had similar observations, similar thoughts. So, you know, pull back the curtain for us a little bit on what's interesting to you about Firefly and maybe some predictions about how you think it's going to shape up going forward or any thoughts on that front. Yeah, you know, I think, you know, looking back at a lot of the times when we saw people like in some of the solutions that people are building with like, you know, fabric, you know, for example, right, but it could have been, you know, any kind of blockchain, right. And then, and then sometimes even looking at like what people do with, you know, corda sometimes especially right more like because it was more like sort of like, you know, peer to peer, right. There was really this notion I saw where people people really conflated what I would call like workflow with like, like interactive workflow with actual like consensus protocols, they're not they're not actually the same thing right consensus protocols, like you and I coming like people always have this as like people coming to agreement, but that's not really it right and these things these are like computerized algorithms that determine like you know agreement about a state right that are you know based on you know, more or less a set of rules but not opinions and tasks and flowing right and we used to people used to show it in like fabric it's like you know we have endorsements is how we did it right I'm getting endorsement from these people that wasn't really the same thing as like approval. Right, endorsement was just checking at the state that the thing executed correctly according to a set of rules but it's not really not everything can be like an automated stamp approval right there's like some stuff that are just you know approvals or have to talk to other systems. And when you start looking at that that that brings the whole notion of, you know, workflow really I mean for lack of a better term right I'll call it you know workflow distributed systems but you know it really was across multiple parties right and if you look at most workflows stuff right there, built for the intra company use case. If you take another step back right B2B systems B2B ecosystems right had sharing of data. Right, so if you kind of break it down right the only things that really shared data per se right. You know there are people who do don't get me wrong but B2B has always been dig on this right you share EDI records and whatever supply chain etc, but it's data right I have my system you have your system we just agree that we're using you know this X dot 12 or this EDI format or whatever right health care the same thing with HL7 or whatever the systems are still completely different you could be epic you could be sterner but HL7 was flying around and we think that's all data you know integration problems right. So then you had blockchain which allowed us to put the rules around that and give me a shared view of the data right that's cool and synchronized and things like that. But it doesn't let me mimic the actual process of like the activities that actually happened in a step by step kind of process that aren't consensus protocol driven right and I think that's what you know we were looking at right and this allows you to break things down whether there's 50 people involved or three people involved right or you could have an ecosystem of 50 people and sometimes there's only three parties involved right in something but they wanted the whole aggregate is actually performing a sort of blockchain pieces right for verification etc. But the interaction and data movement was there and we've tried to like overlay all that stuff in fabric we tried to do it with like private data. I know even like in the Ethereum stuff they try to do this with it's a force fit right of something that's not that's not the right way to solve that particular problem. So I think that's been the missing element right and then I think if you can model. So if you want to solve problems sort of to answer a different question but that was asked before right I think there's two ways to advance this stuff because you can solve problems if you can prove that you can have the process flow work and then we can hook in the underpinnings. Instead of trying to build it from the bottom up we can actually prove out that I can send stuff around a Tony agree on the process and we can show stuff flowing. I am sure that we can find some plumbing right and today's stuff that can make the blockchain pieces happen or not it could be a centralized database if that's acceptable for some people right or it could be blockchain. You know if it's not so I think that's the piece that's been missing and that's that was the part that I liked about Firefly right. I like the term. I'm not a buzzwordy person but I think you know multi party systems is a better term for what we're trying to do then calling them like and then calling it like enterprise blockchain for short because that's just to you know brought up a term. And I guess the last thing I'd say is if you give people tooling that allows them to be a bit above the tech. Right it's just going to make it easier for them to get started and maybe apply this stuff. And I'd say one thing that slows things down is that people create architectures like people have a queue of problems to solve. So I'm not a big fan of enterprise architecture I should put that out there right I think that's why enterprises are too slow they make decisions three years in the past on what their architecture is going to be right. So if you really want to have it you have to say here's the problem I need to solve. And now let me go find the is there a technology today if I was making the decision today on how to solve this problem. Would it be the same way that I saw that I made when I made my decision three years ago. Right. And I think that blockchain becomes more palatable if people can actually like use it and get get above the bits and bytes. Right and multi party systems matches that much better than having.  That doesn't solve an actual business problem. Okay I'm done now. Brian you remember the good old days when we have when there are all those arguments about consensus algorithms and which ones are better. I don't remember arguments about consensus mechanisms at a low level maybe that happened like before even fabric was released or something like that. I think what I ended up doing was we were conflating small early architectural decisions that you always have to make when you start a software project because you have to start somewhere. I with longer term big picture like that shall be the only way to do it right. And so so I'm actually really happy to for us to see optionality at lots of different layers. But but with a common enough backbone to bring these different pieces together and so that hopefully is what Firefly represents. I mean it's it's somewhat similar to the way that in the Linux operating system there's always been debates about different ways of doing things. And if you can you know all the way up to like what windowing environment to use. And and really if we can engineer for optionality at these different layers it's why the focus on plugability in Firefly is so cool. Then we can have the best of both worlds we can try the different approaches and for use case figure out the right ones to pick so really happy to see that. And I think that the more that people in the rest of the hyperledger community understand that they'll find ways to slot in the things that they've been building. You know what's what's your perspective on on if how much value or is this a game changing notion for the sorts of projects that you've seen. Either the multi-party system concept overall or you know something like what Gary was saying a minute ago with you know being being able to untangle you know process business process from you know consensus and so on. You know coming from our clients are banks financial institution broker so for them it's a mix of on one side you know they want to do defy they want to get licenses to open an exchange get a broker business going for crypto for example. And then on the other side they've got all those problems of data exchange and you know they're building consortium and they want to have private chance to do certain workflows. And so from our perspective then the complexity is okay there's this various technologies some is fabric some is basic some is current some is public network. Some that we're building now are going to be like layer two Ethereum solution so the complexity is that you know from an engineering perspective then we have to get quite far into the understanding of the end of the technology and you know sometime one is better than the other but it's kind of like you know digging into what's difference between an AMD CPU and an Intel CPU. We do it because we have to today but we don't really want to. And so having some abstraction layer which gives us a standard interface to interact with one blockchain or more blockchains I think is yeah it's extremely important. And so for me it's yeah it's a game changer like you said to have this kind of early version of a standard interface to work with a blockchain so that more effort more energy can go on actually building the application you know enabling something useful for the business so yeah I'm sure in five years we're going to look back and think that was an important moment. John what about like a digital assets or a token perspective I know a lot of your your focus is is really around taking that particular powerful construct that blockchain brings along and trying to you know plumb that through an ecosystem. You know how how challenging is it to really build collaborative apps with the token for a set of enterprises these days and and how much efficiency could if if we envisioned a bet a more purpose built system could could we bring to bear there. Yeah it's an interesting question. When you say token I have a little allergic reaction right now I think you said earlier Sophia. We've been we started doing coupons and rebates using NFTs literally RC 721 NFTs two or three years ago now and of course now all the phone calls we made over those last two or three years to people saying you know you really should start paying attention to this technology everybody picked up the phone and said I want to issue an NFT to which we generally say why I mean what what what why do you need to issue you know an NFT you know from from the space station or you know whatever whatever current example is dropping across her thing. It tokenization is extremely powerful. We see it generally. We see tokens as a great way to incentivize behavior right so coupons a great example of you know a discreet fixed digital object that can be used by a brand to incentivize behavior and a customer or at the other end of the farm to fork chain could be used to and a third world country to share data about the conditions that he finds locally and it is working here so we think that that stuff like that token tokenization like that to encourage data sharing or sustainability is really important. You quickly run into the problem which I kind of was talking about earlier in terms of narrative which is what I call the says who problem right now right which is. Okay so I've given you a token or who who says you have that token right like who's responsible for operating the note so who's the person that makes sure that those tokens don't actually flow freely from you know one entity to another. That they act that if there's value if if a major brand deposits $100,000 worth of value into one of the ecosystem that that is. You know husband and shepherded and the correct way to make sure that you know if we're doing instantaneous settlement that stuff isn't leaking out on the edges either because you've written about our contract or because you've got people in the ecosystem that are colluding. I don't have any good answers for how to fix this I just know that these are the these are the narratives that we're constructing now as we talked to potential partners and and are trying to encourage people to operate notes like we want you to be responsible for making sure that as we have tokenized value flowing through our system to incentivize behaviors and to do instantaneous settlement that you're responsible shepherd that's the hardest part. Yeah, Tony, just thinking about how fireflies sending out to achieve this higher level of extraction right. You guys with risk stream you've been thinking about really building an industry platform. Right you've been on this journey. What what what does it mean for you building a platform that ambitious to take a bunch of the plumbing problem off of the table for you to focus maybe focus on some some other things. And the second part of the question is on maybe the multi protocol side. How do you think about different protocols and how valuable would you know having some amount of flexibility be there with maybe a common API sitting on top of that. Great question Steve, I can say that our relationship with flight oh and now with the firefly platform has been kind of a game game changer for for a stream. We were able to do in six months but it took us kind of two years to do through other methods through consulting and kind of building things in a custom way. And I think that one of the things that we're finding over and over again is not only is that speeds market really important for us as you know the the cycle for insurance companies is a little bit different or maybe a little bit different than in other areas where there's this underlying mistrust of anything new and then all of a sudden they kind of see it and it works and it's like all right we want it now. So that allows us to kind of move it a maybe not a slow and steady pace but we can kind of move in kind of leaps and downs when it comes to that. And you know, given the fact that you know, in the insurance industry since that since technology is a bit of a dirty word but but a word that's necessary, you know, having the ability to kind of do things through the the Firefly platform and kind of using that to build or building with the canopy. It allows us to actually focus as you said on the business problem. And you know where blockchain developers are kind of a scarce resources are scarce resource with many of the customers are customers that we deal with. You know, being able to kind of use resources that one would use to develop any other technology or any other application and kind of leverage the API that you guys put out there makes the whole blockchain process a heck of a lot more accessible to our members than it traditionally would have been, you know, before. I know that there was a second part to that question. Protocol. Yes. So, you know, one of the things that's really interesting, and certainly being an offer profit.  And the fact that, you know, we wouldn't have to start from the ground up, if say hyper ledger was better suited for one application or quarter or form or what have you. The fact that we have one kind of central clearinghouse to build a set of business rules and a set of capabilities on, and then we can be thoughtful about how we apply those sets of business processes and capabilities against the underlying ledger makes, you know, our job so much easier because it gives us the flexibility to not let the technology drive the solution. So if the solution drive the technology. And Sophia, with some of your clients have you seen, you know, some of these big bigger more ambitious sort of industry wide platforms, you know, just just the size and the number of companies and number of participants, you know, running multiple blockchain technologies in parallel, right. Have you seen those sorts of things or have you had any discussions there. I think people always would have wanted that, but now that it's available, certainly they see that as a big differentiator they could offer to their, the ecosystems they're putting together and their respective industry. You know, Tony's doing it for property casually life and annuity reassurance and we have others in healthcare and other domains. Yeah, multi protocols really important to them. It's interesting. I think it gets a comment earlier. A lot of times people focus too much on the tech decisions. I think something else Tony said just now is really interesting. They don't, they don't when they see it they want it. There's a lot of that where people don't really understand, you know, Gary your point enterprise blockchain versus multi party system or what a decentralized app really entails.  I said just amazing seeing acceleration that could happen when you actually get to where the people who, you know, they're operating huge sets of call centers in one use case that just, you know, calling on making sure the data is accurate, you know, they want to arm all these people use this new app on the new, you know, multi party system, but you need to get to that stage to then get the buying and acceleration. I think that you've seen Tony, we've seen that in other places too. So I think, you know, having Firefly is a step forward there, what helps people get to those where they actually have the application and they could be onboarding getting the real usage and scaling. Yeah. Okay, well, final five minutes here, we're going, I'm going to switch to to go around the horn and give it everyone sort of their final thought or key takeaway for for the audience here, and I'll start with Peter. I guess I'm going to just elaborate a little bit on previous point. There were, there were people building solutions for multi party systems, and they were ecosystems. I, they're almost like islands. And the moment they kind of co located what you build a solution within an ecosystem or for an ecosystem, and it's kind of locked down and it's stuck there. You build for the main net or you build for this particular private consortium. And the scale that we can get to is when we start to build bridges. And we've talked about interoperability between blockchains is one type of bridge. I think interoperability between development communities, the ability to build solutions that can be more of an app store model where your application can work in multiple communities. I think is a different way to scale this, this great fun tool that the blockchain has. I think that's really exciting. Brian. Yeah, well, you know, an observation from 25 years of this is that, you know, building a successful open source project is a lot different from building a successful commercial product. And, and you have to think about them very differently. And that means, you know, kind of designing for, I know it's a trope of designing for inclusion, designing for, you know, that that first user experience and making sure as they're coming in and getting used to how to use the code, you know, they're also simultaneously learning why the code is built the way that it was built. And so having all the metadata involved in the development of that is so essential, so that you don't get what are called bike shedding arguments. That's a fun thing to go look up and understand the history of that. And that really means designing for opening the lid underneath the software as well, whereas a commercial product to you, you want to discourage them from doing that you want to kind of do the Wizard of Oz pay no attention to the man behind the curtain kind of thing. And then I also think that means answering, you know, the beginner questions pretty quickly are pointing to an FAQ answering the deeper questions very publicly even when they are kind of thorny. And then always having a parking place for new ideas about what what's next, so that even if the team that's been on it, you can't get to adding a certain feature, or integrating with another ledger or others there's always a place to direct people so that that that energy, you know, isn't dissipated because once dissipated it's it's hard to bring it back. So all these things are on my mind is I think about how to help the the firefly community become successful. But also hopefully it's on all of our mind as we're as we're deploying the project. Thank you. John, final thought key takeaway. Yeah, I guess to real quick, I'll hit again on two things I said earlier. First is, I think that the quickest path to success is to take a single problem. Try and solve that first. For us that problem on both consumer and supply chain was kind of tamper resistance right fraud proofs in coupon space and the supply chain space. And then, I think, you know, one of the challenges I see in education generally is I think the industry is doing a pretty good job in terms of making the tools, and the knowledge available to technical practitioners, you know, like ourselves to advance these initiatives but we're not doing a very good job of educating the public at large all say about about blockchain technology we're sort of we've sort of relegated that to mainstream media I don't think you're doing a very good job. And so anything we can do, maybe not at parties but in terms of making ourselves available to talk, you know, more intelligently and or help to improve the narrative, you know, kind of in the in the, you know, the wider culturally in the wider community, I think it's going to make all of our jobs easier. Thanks. But thanks. Thanks a lot for giving me the chance to panel really appreciate and yeah, you know, just to echo on what John was saying, you know, the takeaway for me is, you know, we're going to go back in our community here in Southeast Asia in our monthly meetups in all the things that we do and basically try to share the vision of we want to get to a world where there is thousands of blockchain tens of thousands of consortium, you know, and thousands of those shared computers running. If we want to build that, like we're sharing we need a community of people who know how to use a certain number of tools we know those open source software. And if we do all of that, like Peter was sharing was sharing, you know, we can then start to scale blockchain and I just want to finish with a simple example. I have a friend who's got a factory. And yesterday he called me and he said, Hey, I have this 3D growing. I'm going to send it to a supplier. I'm a bit worried they might take it and make a copy of it. Can I do anything. And I was on the phone with him and I told him, no, you can't. I mean, technically, yeah, there's, you know, some IRM solutions and if you spend money, you're going to sell it up, but practically you cannot today right now. And this is insane. Like when we have this technology now like blockchain where you can do very secure proof of ownership using tokens, cryptographically secure methods of exchanging value. It's insane that a big part of the traditional IT is still stuck in the dark ages, in a way. And so I think, you know, we need tools like Firefly to really scale the technology like Peter was saying. So yeah, thanks again for having me. Thank you, Gary. Yes, at first I know this is this has been fun. Good to see everybody again and meet some some new faces. I guess my, my deep thought for the day would be, I like and you know, I did IOT, like in like, I don't know, 2012 2013 right and there was a lot of hype around it right like 25 billion devices and whatever this huge curve, very similar to actually blockchain and enterprise blockchain if you think about it. And actually, it had the same, you know, didn't quite take off as much as we might have thought at the time right like there was just too much talk about the tech and all this other stuff. Now actually IOT is everywhere. We don't talk about it that much, but it's actually pervaded everybody's lives and it's used by major corporations. So to me the success of blockchain at least I'll say on the more enterprise sort of traditional distributed ledger side is when we stop talking about blockchain that's when we have success. Right. And I think that the way you do that is you to this point here is you solve problems. So tools like Firefly I think go up above that level right you're actually solving a problem showing people how they can solve a distributed industry problem moving stuff around. Then you layer that on top of whatever the appropriate underlying technology is, but again you started with the end, not the means right to date a lot of people have been about the means and not the end. So I think that's why, you know, things like fire that made sense in my head. I'm sure. But anyway, that's why you know Firefly is well positioned in here. Thanks for including me Tony. Sure. Thanks. This was awesome. Really exciting thing to talk to y'all just amplifying one thing that john said I would extend education to the business users as well. I can tell you it's a challenge that we face every every day and again, once they kind of understand it and they feel comfortable with it that they want to look forward. And then the second thing to amplify something Gary said is is accessibility. One of the things that's critical for the insurance industry is to be able to pull together all of the different channels and all the different data sources that are out there, and to make Firefly to actually make that easier and make that simpler and take a lot of the worry and the administrative burden of doing that really positions awesome positions are industry for really good continued success going forward. So thanks everybody. Sophia bring us home. Yeah, well we're coming out of the dark ages. Just a once in a generation shift is people are digitally transforming moving to the cloud. We've got a set of technologies for the first time that goes all the way back into the system of record. So it's really, it's really exciting times I think he almost said five years from now we'll look back at this so I hope all of us. Eight of us get back on a panel in five years and we could we could be reflecting but thanks so much for joining. It's been a pleasure with working working with all of them in the industry all these years. Well, we'll catch. Well, maybe we'll catch Gary on this next deep thought of the day. Five years. Well, thank you to all the panelists. There's been a lot of fun quarterback in this and lots of good input and insight and wisdom so we I know everyone on this panel is wishing that the Firefly community, you know, a happy launch and continued success. And so, with with these sorts of stakeholders and interested parties we are very optimistic about that path ahead. Transitioning to the agenda here we just got one more hour of the launch day to go. We were going to have a closing keynote and in parallel there is a meet the community event going on so there's two sessions to choose from. Sophia is this are we doing the keynote in this session or do we need to move. We need to meet the whole check. Just refresh and screen here. Yeah, it's a separate separate sessions. Okay, so for everyone that's here please join us for the last hour if you can go over to the sessions and we got two great choices to choose from a closing discussion and keynote. Or a more open discussion with with some of the maintainers and code committers in the community. Once again, everyone. Thank you. Take care. Have a good day.


Hi everybody What up party people? How's it going? Wax party randomizer time the Jaspie's wax party part 2 Bigger and better than the last one we did. I don't know when wax party 3 is gonna happen if there is even gonna be a 3 But for the people that got into this party Thanks very much everybody Ton of giveaways here so the first one apparently Had that much of giveaways. We have we tripled it So I think everyone follow the directions right there name on top. Yes gets the NT case There it is the sealed case right there Thanks everybody for getting into that There it is. There's the top of the case nice fresh clean case Thanks everybody for making it happen Great prize list here as well. There's some first off the line impeccable an eight box case of finest So it's obviously the NT is the highlight But if you're in that top part of the list, you're gonna get some nice boxes Everyone's gonna get at least something though That's the good part about the wax party if you got into if you got a spot You're gonna get at least something And you can sell it if you want to you can rip it yourself if you want to you can gift it If you want to it's gonna be yours will ship it to you sealed Give us a little bit of time. We did pull all the boxes So it's gonna be a little bit faster than last time Let's still take some time for us to gather up the boxes and put them into some boxes You know to find the right box sizes and then get them all out to you So so there's the whole list of boxes you've been you've seen this for the last handful of weeks You studied it. We've been keeping track of all of the winners in the wax party tab Right down there where my mouse is cursor is hovering and we've also Just so you can audit it as well if you wanted to so Steve got the first wax party spot from that immaculate break on Thursday the 31st a little while ago Actually make this list a little bit bigger right here. So there you go gang. So let's collect everybody's names here I'm gonna kind of go slowly right here because You can see your names. You can pause at certain point. Make sure your name is there You can see when you want it what date you want it all that's all that good stuff Did all those mystery crates that was a lot of fun All that NT football and then those two mixers the big baseball mixer We did on Sunday and the football mixer we did today. That's all 150 spots. Let's copy all those names New dice new list and there's everybody again, and then we'll match you up with With these boxes right here Name on top NT basketball So let's roll it and randomize that list three and a one four times Fingers crossed. Good luck everybody and and again appreciate everybody who dug deep who worked hard Who who who got into all these breaks and and made all the breaks happen? I appreciate that and congrats once again to the winners of those breaks as well three and a one four times one two three And a one fourth and final time Three and a one four times four times right there Now remember I know if your name's on the bottom you're like in the bottom part of this list You're kind of like yeah, but at least you're getting something But I appreciate you. Thanks everybody. I'll get in something But those top names Let's see what we got Need like a drumroll sound effect here. Now we're in the 20s The teens the tens five four three Two oh very close Nathan Rossi Still getting a nice box though, but very close to the top name on top Shawn Matic 150 names on there After four times your name is on top. Wow So congrats to Shawn That case right there going your way now You know be sure to contact everybody this goes for everybody Be sure to contact us about about insurance or expedited shipping or or if you want to pick it up instead There he is Shawn. Congrats, man There he is Shawn M. I know puts a lot of work in the breaks got lucky enough to get a wax party spot Maybe multiples of those Congrats to you. Thanks for the support and congrats again All right, so here's everybody else Nathan Steve David We'll scroll down the list right here So what other box that we had we've got prism first off the line is really nice to Nathan Steve birch with impeccable A case of finest for David Green Jeff Liedel with the first off the line immaculate box spectra one-on-one One-on-one basketball one football certified Origins these two got crowned Royale La Liga mosaic soccer Donner's basketball Black basketball Obsidian for these two Those are those cello pack boxes. Those could be a lot of fun to rip as well obsidian contenders So again, thank you These contenders football to some flux basketball Prism EPL So appreciate everybody Helping make all of this happen It was a lot of fun at 2013 prism drafts basketball. Cory and Carl. That's a Yannis edition. I think some leaf metal some optic retail 2016 Donner's basketball some Ginter chrome You wait for euros This being a World Cup year especially at the end of the year it could be helpful for Some series one could help the values of some of the soccer cars. There's some valiant some quick pitch Chronicles draft picks Flash baseball leaf metal baseball hobby some diamond Kings Stars and stripes prestige hanger boxes mosaic Euro hybrid edition some chronicles draft picks prism draft picks sage Absolute football retail Some prism soccer mega edition prism baseball match attack soccer Prism EPL cereal boxes chronicle basketball cereal boxes some sage draft high series and Some prism draft picks blaster boxes as well. There you go gang again Really appreciate everybody Getting into all of these breaks and helping us out whether you want or not I appreciate it congrats again to the winners and of course congrats again to Sean M in the chat Thanks for your support everybody Keep your eye out for more monster promos like this. We we tend we tend to try to think about these and try to run these I don't know as often as as we can so keep an eye out for more promos on jazzy's case breaks calm I'm Joe. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll see you next time for the next big promo. Bye. Bye