Okay, we are live. Yes. Yes. Welcome back to us talking about the Sun Eater books. Me being me, this is my channel and Alex being Alex. I don't feel like I need to introduce myself. Who are you? I am the demon in white and joining me is some guy in a blue shirt. You are the blank space from the cover. Yes, I am the background. Exactly. Hello. Hello. What's up? What's up? Yeah, Albert, I got the time wrong. I said 830. It was nine. Oops. But we're also going to talk about the lesser devil. Yeah, how should I hold them up to you since I also own the books. I mean, we're not going to believe that you read it. There's my camera. There you go. Proceeds. Yes. There you go. I don't know what order we I mean lesser devil chronologically takes place first. I don't know if you want to talk about that first and get it out of the way or like at the end. I would say get it out of the way first because after talking about demon in white, I feel like it would be lesser. So let's talk about Crispin. Yeah, let's talk about the lesser devil, which like, I mean, this cover is also the lesser cover. It is every way. It looks like a novella cover. It looks like a self published cover. Pretty bad. I mean, it doesn't look that bad when you see it from far away or you just kind of quickly look at it. But like when you look at Crispin's face, I think Crispin looks like a bad video game character. Yeah, it's not good. It's like old CGI and like graphics engine. I respect the choice to make the art not look like a lightsaber, but it really should look more like a lightsaber and less like lightsabers. This does look like sting. But so does the so does Hadrian sword. You mean on the cover of Empire's Highlands? Yeah. I was thinking howling dark, but well, okay, it's on all except well, it's not in demon in white, but it's on both of the first two either right here have convenience. Ah, yes. Well, I guess we should stop complaining about it because it was done by okay, we'll cut that out. Well, we'll edit that out. It's actually it's just not as good as these. Let's be honest. It's not. So like an attempt was made and we appreciate the effort. And I couldn't do better. So of course not. Oh, what do you mean? Of course not. You have no idea what my art ability is. Oh, I was saying me either. But did I not say that? Was that just in my head? Okay, but so the content of the book is fantastic. Yeah, this is a short. Is it a novella short story? What is this classified novelette? I don't know. I would assume novella. I mean, doesn't matter. It's but so it takes place after 70 pages after Hadrian leaves in Empire of Silence and then before as well as a few events. Yeah. Yeah. So that that gap that we were thrown into when he's just like in fugue for a little bit. You know, we follow Crispin and we get corrected on the sword. It's a lightsaber. Special. Yeah, the Yeah, the new one looks absolutely is. So yeah, we're following Crispin. I guess, is it technically would you consider it a spoiler then for demon and white that you learned that he has a sister? Because you don't he doesn't actually learn that until demon and white, but you learn it in Lesser Devil that character exists. So I didn't really like care that much when I learned that. Sure. I wasn't like, he has a sister. Oh, like, it was like, I mean, that makes sense. Something like that happened. Yeah.  So decant. I love that word. Oh, yeah. I mean, we follow Crispin.   He is. He is the Lesser Devil. The Lesser Devil. Yeah, there's a chapter called that. I know what he does that in all these books and I wanted to be like, I know you watch cosmonaut variety hour. He's like, that's the name of it is. Or like when he says Empire of Silence as a chapter, I'm like, that's the thing with the book. All right, so Marla family reunion, like it's been hundreds of years at this point. Like, yeah, but they're all but they're all Palatine. Yeah, that's the word. I was about to say, like some kind of noble or I was about to make up a word, basically, but since they're all Palatine, they're all alive. So like, I was like, I'm sure that his brother and sister are alive, but like his parents and his grandma might not. They could be though. Why wouldn't I mean that I don't think they've said definitively how many hundreds of years they can live. It's just it's been many. And so like when they do talk about Palatine, they do kind of talk about them like being you know, 800 years old, whatever. But like, it's definitely been like, that long, I feel like. Well, it was a 40 year time jump for Howling Dark, right? Or 80, whatever is 40 or 80. Even during the course of the book, there's huge time jumps because they keep being a fugue. True. And then it was like 300 year time jump to demon and white. And they definitely spend several, at least Hadrian does, he spends a long time in and out of fugue. So maybe they're alive.  Like, hey, dad, look at me. I'm destroyer of worlds in Cielson. I'm sure. Okay. So let's talk since we haven't talked. Okay, so Crispin, yeah, he's like a lesser reflection of Hadrian. And then like, in, we'll get to the plot. But I mean, Crispin does keep kind of hallucinating Hadrian and keep being like, saying that he's always felt like he lived in the shadow of Hadrian. So he would agree that he's like, the lesser Hadrian. It was definitely interesting, though, seeing him and his now sister, like the different, like personalities and traits of each of them have and how she's actually like more like Hadrian. And Crispin keeps saying that. And Crispin is clearly more like their father, both Hadrian and Sabine. Yeah, definitely.  I was just laughing because he was because he was yeah, but he was so caught off guard that like, he wasn't like in his hometown, where he could just like be the noble prince. And when he's out and about, and he's just like, why are these peasants talking to me? It's just like, because you're not where you think you are. Yeah, but I mean, like then considering how other palatines would behave in those circumstances, they probably would have just been like killing people. Exactly. So he is the lesser devil. But um, yeah, what I mentioned to you before to like, similarly to like the new Red Rising books, like one of my favorite things is seeing the main POV character Hadrian through someone else's eyes, because all of these other books are Hadrian's perspective. So seeing him through Crispin's eyes is refreshing to see. And then like seeing, not that we like replayed that scene, but kind of a different interpretation of events for when Hadrian left, because we experienced that scene with Hadrian and what he thought of Crispin and what he thought when he would be leaving behind and his own ideas of how Crispin felt about it at the time. So seeing it from Crispin's point of view, and him guessing at what Hadrian is thinking and feeling. Yeah. I mean, there's that. And then also just seeing like the, oh my God, there's something in my eye. Ah, stop. Are you crying about Volga? Yes, it's just the greatest love story I've ever told. We'll get to your nonsense about Volga in just a minute. I mean, we got some like Laurence talk about the Chancery and some other things too, which is cool. So I don't remember that. Do you remember him saying that he's not going to see his mother again? I mean, I don't disbelieve that I just didn't remember that. That Hadrian says that? Yeah, probably. Because I know there's there's something he says about Volga and demon white too. And I was like, oh, that's a pretty, he like should stop. Because I'm pretty sure he also says that some point that like he had forgotten what she like looked like or like were tattoos or something looked like. And I was just like, oh, so she doesn't make it. That's not cool. So yeah, he probably does. I forgot so much of Empires Islands. Honestly, at this point, like the small he's got so many things happen that happens. They're long, but they are also crammed. Yes. Yeah, I mean, any of these arenas would be good. Yeah. And yeah, there are. Here we go. See through another perspective is is awesome. Well, when he does his his follow up trilogy, as we talked about. Um, but yeah, and I agree with this to that like, well, I don't know. I feel like Hadrian and Crispin would be I guess I I think of it as like one being a reunion and one is like a one final opportunity for like a confrontation kind of thing. So if he's got that again, I don't I mean, it would technically be a reunion. But I would just think of it as like, see what I have become kind of moment versus like it would be a reunion with Crispin where they'd be like, no brother. I don't know if they would like be tight. Like, especially because we still haven't gotten to the point yet. And I promise we will actually talk about more about the lesser double.  So like, I wonder at what point, if he were to have a reunion with his brother or any of his family, like what point in that process will he be?  Or is it along the way? Because we still don't know. Like, there's so much gap to fill. But we also don't know if perhaps they will be casualties of the mass. True. Yeah, reeks.  Because that's not where Alasdair and them are. So Yeah, I know.  You're not darker. He has to do more than that. Yeah, I guess he's got to kill a lot of people to get to this mantle.  So it's kind of being done more. Well, because he's also killing a lot of Cielson. He's still like, well, we'll talk about how much his how much fame he has from this book is Jesus. I mean, literally Jesus. OK, so yeah, level. So this is like a little story. Like this isn't the grand sweeping epic, like mind-boggling Ness that the full novel is definitely written a little bit differently. Yeah, but it's still, you know, honestly, I was impressed by the end of it, even though, I mean, arguably, like you did have the opportunity to get to know some of these characters in a longer book. So this isn't the only time you see them. But still, like this is really kind of you didn't see a whole lot of them really, you know, silence. So like I would still give it credit for like a very short book that still got me invested in the characters, invested in the situation, had me like hooked and then wrapped up solidly in like the page count that was allotted were like longer books. I'll read 800 pages. And I'm like, I still don't know these characters and I don't care about them. But here this is less than 200 pages and I cared a great deal.  Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty interesting to just from the premise of it is that like because of the time frame that it's in, Crispin and them have no idea what's actually happened to Adrienne yet. So they don't know if he's dead or if he's just missing or what really was going on. And they obviously what was I'm kind of forgetting the plot. They were like going to visit his mom or like and they got ambushed. It was basically like a setup. I forget where they were going and why, but they were going somewhere like on a trip.  But yeah, he's definitely going to do more probably with Crispin, but also other stuff because he has mentioned that he purposefully does like all these big time gaps and that he wants to write post-Hadrian. So he'll probably do some kind of sequel trilogy or something like that that doesn't follow Hadrian, but he also all these time gaps. Maybe Adrian will be a POV still in it and then it'll be like a multi POV follow-up series. Yeah, just say Dark Age, just get to it. What? Yeah. He's talked about because I asked him on one of his live shows and I think he's mentioned it before that they're going to the grandmas. OK, yeah. She's a setup, but he does all these big time jumps so that he can kind of purposefully leave gaps in the story so where he can jump in and out and like follow these other stories. So we probably will get more of Crispin and I don't know how it will tie in or if it even will. But like he could pretty much follow anybody. Like I would want to see if the standard like standalone something like that, maybe. But. Maybe not 800 pages, but. Well, no, I mean, they're probably going to be most in the vellas. Yeah. Yeah.  But we get to see Crispin fight. We get to learn about his sister. World building in terms of like encountering what they do with like these far future flung Catholics that get to live basically on a reservation. So like that was just interesting for once again, kind of seeing into a part of the world that Hadrian really wouldn't be coming across because it wouldn't. It's not something that he'd be encountering because it's not what he's dealing with right now. So like there's no reason why it would come up in Hadrian's books. But it was interesting to see that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, of course, there's more than enough stuff happening for several books. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's cool, though. I mean, you get to see that difference between because we know we follow Hadrian the whole time, his melodrama and his whole story. So seeing Crispin not necessarily fleshed out. I mean, because there's only so much you can do with this little page count. But you definitely get a better understanding of him as a person and his dynamic between his sister now and he also sets up like what he's like for the future. Like if she's going to inherit the family name or whatever or the whatever it is, I don't know what the title is that you inherit. But yeah, if she can take it over for Alastair, yeah, I mean, we have a better sense of what she's like. Yeah, I also don't think it's like a just happenstance that he introduced her in this and also mentioned her in Demon White. Like we're probably going to see her in book four, I would guess. At least by book five, I think she'll probably one or the other, maybe both. I don't know. He's going to have a run out with his family because like, I mean, obviously, a lot of time passes a lot of time passes between the end of Lesser Devil and where we are now with the main books. But like it still gives us an idea of what Crispin and her relationship is like.  Like, oh, that's probably caused some bad luck when in fact, Lesser Devil like maybe things changed in the interim. But what we saw here is that he's like basically like the first person to say that should happen. Yeah, for sure. Gibson said she was the most like, oh, yeah, because she is. I'm just trying to think of trying to remember, honestly, what happened. And we were making jokes about like all the lightsaber stuff because they basically make it it seems awful like a lightsaber in some of these books. Why there's also just like more heavy reliance on that as a weapon. And so like so many times in Lesser Devil's like and then uses the lightsaber to just like any time described that like he's not using it, but he like sees the blade of it like poking through this like blade. I'm like, oh, the Jedi's are here. So they there's like a whole part where it was like a bridge or they were in like this low tech area. Yeah, the reservation. Yeah, the reservation. That's the reservation. Yeah. I mean, so you have these like pockets of low tech that still exists this far into the future. Yeah, but it seems almost kind of like the Amish where it's like by choice. Yeah. Or like this technology is the worst. But it's the chantry that thinks that. So it's funny that Catholics would be like also. Yeah, super anti. That blame any and all typos on mobile and it being in the middle of the night. OK. Oh, man.  Is it? No, it's too immuble. But I wonder, like I kind of got the feeling, but then I didn't really ever like go there, which I was pleased by. But I was like getting the feeling that it was almost going to make the point that Catholicism is better than the chantry and that we should be into that. But then it didn't really say that. Yeah. But it kind of they were like, oh, they have a good point. And like we should like for our fellow man. I was like, is this like a pro Catholic? I mean, to be fair, the chantry is terrible. Well, yeah.  But like when the Catholic Abbey is talking about how like, well, the chantry like it was just a committee that decided this religion for you. I was like, you know, that's what the Catholics did too. Like that is the part calling the cattle back right there. I was like, I wish Crispin wasn't so dumb and could be like, sir, it's what your people did too. Yeah, Crispin is not Hadrian. So Crispin doesn't have any of that knowledge of the past or anything like that. Well, that answers that question. I'll rock you. OK, I see. I got you. So it is a pro Catholic. But it wasn't like, I mean, there was like tones of that. Like it was never anti, but it wasn't too heavy handedly. Like at the end of this book, have I converted to like it was just like, see, they're kind of have the right idea. And Crispin's like, yeah, you're not the worst. I guess you have some OK ideas. He said it just that too. You did. That's how I read his voice in my mind when I was reading it. Exactly what the audiobook narrator sounds like. She's like, well, OK, guys, you can collect Catholicism. Did you just call me Crispin?  And we're getting dereal. OK, so yeah, I mean, it was all you have to say about the lesser devil. Pretty much. I mean, it was cool. It was well written. I don't think it was obviously as well written as pretty giant Easter egg. Also, is that a joke because Easter is a Christian thing? I don't know. So it's like an actual Easter. The book was the Easter egg. Book of the New Sun is like, yeah, I mean, a lot of things. Catholicism. So it's 100 percent. Book of the New Sun has a ton of Catholic influences because he was extremely Catholic. I haven't read it yet, but. But like he also does of an intentional subversion of like there's a part that's like this. It's kind of like communion, except like a black mirror communion, like a very like technically what's going on could be arguably the same thing as communion, but it's like actual cannibalism. Yeah, you're like, I mean, I just read Salem's lot. There is like 100 percent just like, hey, no, Catholicism literally kills vampires. So a lot of people pull from Catholicism. Yeah, but it's just interesting from Gene Wolf, who is so pro Catholic and so very Catholic himself to have this really dark and twisted black mirror version of Catholicism that he's playing with it. So like, I just find that fascinating from a non like non atheistic, non anti Catholic person doing that. Very well, because he probably understands it better. And then being the writer that he is for how weird that series seems to be. I haven't read it yet, but everything I hear about it is that it's weird. So it's like, you have him writing that, it probably makes sense. So it's fairly there's a lot of influences of fan of that thing of that insomniator. So Shall we move on to the main course? Yeah, demon and white. You got to be able to. So we have a massive time jump of three hundred. And did you just throw the book on the ground? Some books fell off. Was it demon and white, though? No. OK, it doesn't matter. That's fine. Did you break all your books? Are they all destroyed? It looks like the book jack was folded up, but I think it's like an author's note that slipped out and is like, that's good later. Yes, Albert, demon and white is amazing. So we have a three hundred year time jump between howling dark and this book. But I honestly felt like it was less confusing than the start of howling dark because that time jump was just like what? It was this orienting.  And here's what we've been doing. Demon and white is like, you kind of knew that he was going to be going to like serve the emperor. So I kind of expected the time jump to be like, OK, he's been doing that for a while. Like, let's get to the story. And that's kind of what happened. I kind of did, yes. That must have been really loud for whoever lives under you. It wasn't the whole thing. It was the part of it that I've read. The pile of unread remains. OK, OK, you can just sell those books around then. OK, well, he definitely succeeded. It was very disorienting. Yeah. Because he's a girl. Yeah.  He started he's serving the emperor and he's already kind of like legendary across the universe. And that even more than like because, I mean, part of his legend is the stuff that we saw but then he's also just like gained reputation in serving the emperor. Yeah. And it's interesting because I mean, we'll get to it because there's a ton to talk about. But like this book does nothing but further his fame in a million ways because even when he doesn't mean it to. Oh, yeah. Oh, whoops, I'm a legend again. I'm going to do this because it's the right thing to do.  Something I want to talk about right in front of is it did answer one of the questions that we had from our Howling Dark chat, which was, OK, so Hadrian and anybody watching spoilers. I mean, this is the third book we're going to talk in depth spoilers for a series. It was great. Five stars. Read the series. OK. Yeah, we'll probably have spoiler free reviews later. But it answered a question that we were talking about in Howling Dark when Hadrian dies. If it was him that came back or not. And it's not. So that's going to be interesting going forward. Oh, yeah, when it got to that, I was like, yeah, because that was one of the first he's vaccinated against the test. Yes. Yeah, that was interesting having somebody who's a member of the kind of cult of Hadrian to be in the opening. Oh, yeah, yeah. So kind of like that's what is a good way instead of like the narrator. Well, the narrator is Hadrian, but instead of just like basically voiceover telling you I'm a legend now, like actually experiencing someone being kind of like fanatical makes it, I don't know. It happens later, too. We got it. Like, isn't there somebody else later or is it the same person that is like talking about him? Because I remember it later. I don't know if it's the same person, but it does come up again. Yeah, because there's somebody that is doing the same thing later. But yeah, I mean, just the. Yeah, it's going to be a spoiler pool. Just just the fact that and we'll, you know, come back to the beginning here in a second. But just the whole because you did like low key just skip right to the end with it. I did because it's a spoiler shot. But also by skipping to the end and then working back at the beginning. But if you're skipping to the end and then working backwards, that's another theme. Exactly. See, bringing it all together. But yeah, so he is technically I mean, so he's always going to act like Hadrian, right? Like, we're not going to see him be a different person, but he's not the same person. Like that was part of the whole like bringing him back. And then so now I'm wondering. So the person who's been telling the story this whole time was the new Hadrian. Yes. So like, we actually have no idea what original Hadrian was like or thought or knew or remembered like that all. And well, is that even going to be the final form of him?  Like the like that there's that conversation that he has where like I but I know that I'm like like he's he's acknowledged that it's like a different form of him. He's like, but I know I'm me because I remember blah, blah, blah. And I was like, how does that prove anything? Right? Like I was really angry at the book. I was like, you nincompoop, how would that prove anything?  Like you like that proves nothing. Dummy. Yeah. As soon as we got to that point in the book, I was just like, oh, we're doing all this like time jump stuff and different timelines. And I mean, he got to the ball. I don't want to skip to the very end. So you already did. But that wasn't the very end. That was near the end. But I was about to say it was like the very end. But we'll come back to it. Oh, yeah. But yeah, he a Hadrian like by this point is pretty terrifying and like. Yeah. And exactly because by dark age, we know what happens to we won't spoil Red Rising here. But like we see what he's gone through. But I mean, we already know the narrator of this book, like is even worse, I guess, than what we see him in. Or if not, maybe if not worse, is the right word is just going to be more epically have done. More death, more death. We also find out in this one where he is telling the story from. So some. Which is where I forgot. Where was I totally forgot where is he telling the story from? It's where Gibson is now. Oh, he's still there. Or he's back there. He says like when he sees that. I know he says that he's like, oh, yes. And this is the very room that I'm actually writing this from. I totally blanked on that. But I do know that he told Gibson he would be back and it is a different Adrian because it's a different timeline or variation or whatever. Like it's it's definite. So like that Adrian died and they basically pulled another one. We're just like, nope, go back. Yeah, so it is a different Adrian. Like Adrian is dead, but Adrian's this Adrian's here now. Yeah, so he's at the library. OK, that makes sense. Yeah, because I've seen this happen in other books, because the the whole like premise of the dark matter by Blake Crouch plays with a similar premise of like what actually makes a person a person. And if you like if you're so similar that no one can tell like, are you the same person or not? If you have a lot of the same like memories of stuff. It's like, no, it literally is a different person. But like to other people, they might not know. So yeah, he died and now he's back. But it's not him. But it is him.  Oh, OK, this book. And now we get to the end.  Well, sure. But I mean, like, that's where the origin of the like, he can't be killed comes from.  He did. But I mean, in the beginning, so we're introduced to Alexander, who is another little shithead noble because he was basically Lysander. He's very, very much similar to Lysander. I mean, OK, have we not read Red Rising? We wouldn't be making all these parallels that definitely exist. Yeah, he hasn't read it either. But Alexander is basically going under his wing and Hadrian does not really want that at all. Because why would he want to have this kid tag along?  Yeah, he is. Because, of course, the emperor is like, you can't disobey the emperor, right? He is.  He's just not. Well, we're not going to talk about Red Rising, stop it. But like earlier, I wrote Vorgosus Disappeared. Because yeah, what the hell? Vorgosus disappeared. Did it move?  Albert, where did it go? You're the keeper of the secrets of this book. Where did Vorgosus go? Well, we are informed about where did Vorgosus go. But in the meantime, this also is the book where the love of Valka and Hadrian becomes a love. They finally did it. They finally did the thing, guys. Steal the deal. I really explained. Fine. Yeah, I know he moved it, but to where? A different timeline. Oh, spooky. So that'll come back, obviously. Because Karn's probably going to come back. What's that planet in Rise of Skywalker that you can't find it? Because it's the Sith planet, so you need the Wayfinder time. Those moves are dumb. Who cares?  Yeah, so Vorgosus Disappeared, we don't know where that went. That'll likely come back. Because since we have two Karns walking around, he's going to come back. There's so many things that have been wound up and set into motion that's just all over the place. And you're like, oh, I can't even keep track of all those things that are definitely going to be affecting things. Absolutely. I mean, Karn's not going away. The Brethren's not going away, because I mean, you took Brethren with them, so. But every time we have something like that come up, then we get distracted by this new other thing that's also mind-blowing. And I'm like, oh, but you're right. And also that other thing is still happening. That didn't stop happening. But that was new thing that I'm completely mind-blown by. It's kind of crazy that even five books will be enough, honestly, because there's so much happening. I have to think some threads just won't be wrapped up. Will that be left open-ended? Probably. I mean, a lot of it, I would have to guess that some of it will be intentional, like leave it up to your interpretation of, I don't know. Well, because also it's more realistic than not everything is cleanly wrapped up, because nothing in life ever is. Well, also, Hadrian would have to personally interact with it or be told about it. So it would make sense that some stuff you're just not going to ever learn. The secrets of the universe. Exactly. I mean, he already knows the whole heck of a lot about the secrets of the universe for one dude. I still don't understand. OK, this was my question in Howling Dark. And this remains my question. That everything that has made him special is something that was done to or for him by others who already identified him as special. And that's why they did those things for him. And I still don't get why he's special. Like, why him? He's in the right place at the right time. And now it's like, because he was already there, it's like so much now keeps happening to him because he's literally at the same time. Now that it keeps happening, now that's made him special. But to begin with, I'm like, he was just like, there's nothing innately special about him. Everything that's special about him came from these other things that identified him as special. Yeah. So I might be dumb. Did we find out yet? I can't remember if they did it in this book or not.  No. Is that still a mystery? I feel like I'm just- You mean like how it happened? Like who dumped it off? Yeah, like why did he just wake up in like a gutter? Like why did that happen? Yeah, I don't know. Because I still feel like that is, unless I'm totally forgetting that they talked about it, I feel like that's even still like a, okay, so why did that happen? Well, I feel like that's either, well, so unless we're wrong and this was explained, but I don't think it was, it's either something that is important or it's like how it should have gone with Rey where she really is no one, where like that really could have just happened. Instead of being the Emperor's daughter, this granddaughter or whatever, Cerro Seagulls are dumb, who cares? Well, I didn't mean to go into all that, just the fact that like the answer is like, it just isn't anything special that like, you just, you know, there are marauders, there are people that do this to ships, like that this would just happen. I guess just feels a little bit like, what's going on? I mean, with everything else, it's so crazy. It's like something had to have happened there. Not everything means something. The quiet did it. Did he say that? How to set him on the right path? Maybe, I mean, the quiet's doing all kinds of stuff. He's kind of a perfect conduit. Yeah. I mean, he definitely gets manipulated. Yeah. He's being used the entire time. But this book, we got the, is it Erkhtani? Well, maybe original Hadrian wasn't so good at being manipulated. That's why they needed- Kill them and replace them with a doofus. Exactly. They needed the more malleable one. Exactly. So this book, I don't think they introduced this to the Erkhtani in the previous book, did they? The winged guys, was that this book? Oh, I'm going to talk about them before, but yeah. But this is the first book that we actually see them like in action, because he fights- Anything wrong with them a lot? Yeah. So like he, I- The bird guys. The bird guys. Because I know at one point, I don't, because I'm just looking through some stuff that are down. I can't remember like where in the book it was, but when he fights Udax, because we learned that they were like put up to like basically trying to like assassinate him in public and he won V1s that bird man, and then like recruits them was kind of cool because they're awesome. And then the fact that like, because that was an assassination attempt and then comes back into it. And that was the first time he got assassination attempted because there were like five, eight like cats happening. That was the first. Because we had that happen. And then we had, when he gets put in the Colosso, they are awesome. They're badass warriors. Honestly, I kept picturing them kind of as like, the like muscle steroid version of the Skexies from the Dark Crystal. The Skexies? Yeah, they're the least like vulture villains from the Dark Crystal. Oh yeah, I mean, kind of probably. The Roided Up version. That's pretty accurate. Yeah. Now that's okay. That's canon now. That's what they look like. Okay. Cool. Maybe we'll get the next one. The adaptation of these books will be done by like Jim Hendricks, is that? Jim. What's the name of the puppet people who do that? Jim Henson. Jim Henson, yeah. Jim Hendricks? Jim Hendricks can also be in it. It's fine. What was that worth it? You love the part of Hadrie's childhood hero story. So he just ignores them and tried to murder them and recruits them. Yeah. Flying dinosaurs.  They're basically like pterodactyls, but with human legs, which is kind of terrifying. I don't even know what that looks like. Yeah. But I mean, pretty early on, we get a nice space battle when I have it marked as chapter 19, so super early, when they're like out there and he's like the, he says like they're coming or something.  So we get some nice space battles in this. We get a lot of duels in this. We get some like. There's a lot. Yeah. There's a lot. I mean, it would almost be a criticism, except it's not because it worked for me. But like, there isn't like a, like a plot with like, this is building towards A Climax and then falling action. Like there's just like so many climaxes all the time that I'm just like too many climaxes. We get to see the freaking, oh, what were they called? Pterodactyls with God. Basically, the demon of RA, the big like gigantic 15 foot tall, 30 foot tall Cielson, whatever it was, the monster. What was it called? A chimera. That's what they were. Those things are terrifying. It's very much like fun already terrifying. And then you get bigger. Yeah. I mean, you take a Cielson, who it's like nine, 10 feet tall and has claws and is super strong and super fast and eats people. But now I'm just thinking of Alan's complaint. You can't just make every villain just be bigger now. You can. I'm like, it's what you can and it's scary.  Yeah. Like five novellas crammed together. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of, I mean, I could see somebody being like upset about that or having that as a critique, but that's why I like it so much because there's so much different like atmosphere and world building because it's not just him going through space. It doesn't feel like a small story. It really feels like you're doing all these different adventures with him over hundreds of years and so many places are interacting with each other and so much. Well, I feel like that would be a complaint for me if I felt like there are books where I feel like that is happening. It feels like that, like the author is afraid you're going to get bored and just going to stuff at you. And this didn't feel like that. Like there's a lot happening and like there's arguably not a traditional story structure because there's multiple climaxes and it's not all sort of building to one thing. But it never like he like completely fully delivers on each like micro arc where it does pay off and deliver and build towards your knowledge of greater things. So it doesn't, and there is enough slow moments in between like it doesn't feel like they're just throwing stuff at you because now that's like, oh, more action. Oh, more things because don't get bored. Like it doesn't feel like that. I like the pacing of it a lot. And I like how it's, it's usually at least like every couple of chapters, like something big ish will happen. And then it'll be like five. I have this stream up over here. So I just out of the corner of my eye to see you doing like this. It's like when I'm taking notes for these books, it's usually like every like five to six chapters.   Because there's always like a huge moment that happens. It's kind of like me reading Golden Sun the first time and I was just like freaking out and everything. It's true. I mean, it's, it's almost disjointed in that way, but it doesn't feel disjointed because it all sort of like ties in pretty well. It doesn't hurt the reading experience, but it does make it difficult to like sum up and talk about because you're like, I can't talk about this the way I would normally talk about a book because there's just so many things. And then when I kind of remember when I'm like, oh yeah, but there was like 50 other things too. I mean, there's a million things happening, but also it's part three of a five book series. So it's, it's not like, this is when they went to the castle and did battle and then like moved on. It's like, this is when they went and fought a chimera on this planet. And then they went to this planet and this happened. And then they went and met time travelers. And then they went to a library. It's just, there's a lot going on. Have you seen Tenant yet? No, but I'm glad that you said that because now I understand what's happening in that movie. If and when I ever watch it. That's literally what the entire plot of Tenant is. Well, because when we were talking on the box and you were like, have you seen Tenant? I was like, no, why is that what's happening? Cause I had no idea. Yup. And we also see early on, well early on 24 chapters in, I mean this book was like a hundred chapters long. Early on is relative. That would be the end of a different book. Exactly. The like monument of skulls that they find that the CLC were like praying to and they were trying to figure out like what the hell that was. And I was like, oh good. Just like more terrifyingness from CLC and just like just monument built up with skulls. Honestly, like if this ever is adapted, it will be quite an alarming R rated like. Yeah. You could only see some of it being like an art film and people was just hating it. Cause of like so much like. But also like if it was done really low budget, this Yeltsin could be so goofy looking, so bad. Like it would need a high budget to be then as terrifying as it ought to be. Yeah. They would need that Disney money. Cause otherwise they will look like something from the dark crystal. That's how you get the dark crystal. That's what happens. Yeah.  The length of a novella. Basically when they're going through that, that place like where they, they fought and like escaped the chimera, but it was almost, it turned into like, almost like grim dark, like horror in a way. Like they were going down these like dark tunnels and they found basically like an experimentation lab or like I'm cause they're in like a CLC and like ship or like. When they're eating them. Yeah. But like they were like bodies that were just in pieces and on like tables and like eyes were missing and it was like really gruesome and gross.  Like, isn't it like partially metal? Like they're not, it's not just like skin and bones. This thing is like partially like mech almost. Yeah. I think so. And just like that whole escape from that was terrifying. And then to see them come back later and there's more than one of them was just like, guys, guys, it's just, I mean, that whole thing also just feels very claustrophobic because of where it's happening. Like it's always terrifying. It was like an alien vibe. Yeah.  And they prefer the darkness. Yeah. It was intense. It's mostly metal. What kind of metal? Is it adamantium? No, it's not. Is it unobtainium?  They can't obtain it. What do we call it? Unobtainium. We got to move, boys. Blue people, Pocahontas, let's go. Yeah, the chimeras are armored mix. Yeah. So those things were crazy. So yeah, torture chamber. I have this note. I forget who was talking. I said, Jesus, is this a song of ice and fire with all these titles? Because somebody was being introduced and it was like daughter of so-and-so. Like third Earl of what I was just like, they were like six titles. Or like when they introduced the emperor's full title too, like it goes on for like a paragraph. It might have been that, but I was just laughing because I was like, oh my God, this is absurd. And it's one of those things that I think we had talked about before. If like, or I think I commented on yours and bookborn's talk. We're gonna say what this is description. So they're basically Daleks from Doctor Who. So I don't know these things.  Because they're basically like- They're a little bit better than that. But they're like indestructible robots that have like a little squiggly alien inside of it that's like encased in it. So it's like Independence Day.  That's what they are. It's literally Independence Day. That's all it is. But yeah, we get another marriage proposal for Hadrian too with another noble trying to marry him off. Good guy. He's like the messiah every left and right and everybody wants to marry him. And then they're pitching like his crew. It's like, why don't you try marrying Alexander? And he's just like, I just wanna marry Valka. Why don't you understand I'm taken? Okay, Avatar is not that good. And the fact that he's making five of them is ridiculous because it's been like 10 years. And we still don't have a second one, okay? But yeah, so let's quickly touch on your abomination of an opinion of Valka and their love relationship. Because I know you like Valka as a character. I like both of them as characters. But you don't buy their relationship. Correct. Explain. I don't know if there's anything to it. Cause like I don't think there's any chemistry. And like whenever there's like love scenes I'm just like, I don't get it. Like I don't buy that you're in love with each other. Why are you in love with each other? I don't... I mean, at this point you could at least argue cause they've literally been together for like hundreds of years. But they've been together for hundreds of years because he loves her. Keeps dragging her around everywhere that he goes.  I think they're really good colleagues. I think they make a good team. Like they complete each other for the mission. When they finally started to kissing, I was like, thank you. Like Jesus, just go. Okay, I knew that would happen. Yeah, what? Did you want him to be with weird Karn in a female body from Howling Dark? No. I just, yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know. Like it's not like there was any character that I was like, see, hatred should be with the actually no in that one brief conversation with, and I don't actually ship him with the, with Alexander's sister. But like when she's like being intelligent and being like not respected. And he's like, if I wasn't so into Volka, you know, she's actually pretty legit. And I was like, honestly, this like slightly flirtatious but intellectual conversation has more like to it. And I feel more about it. I'm not like in love with this. And I don't like want you to be together forever. But I feel like there's more something here than I've But that wasn't even chemistry though, because she was getting set up with him. It was the same thing that happened on the last planet in the last book when, when they were trying to like- I don't really want him to be with the princess, but like just like that, that scene where they're talking. Like they were gonna say like that with him in Volka, but I just never felt like there was like, like banter between them where I felt chemistry. No, I don't agree. You have to at least say that this is a better relationship than cat or genome. Yeah. Well, I forgot cat existed until like, I again forgot about cat until you brought it up when we were chatting about this live. And you were like, well, cat. And I was like, oh yeah, I forgot about her. That's cold, that's cold. But I mean, he was, she was literally there to swoon him because then Emperor was like, hey, what do you think about my daughter? Let's marry me too. Just like the last noble did on the first, in the first book when he was just like, hey. I'm not into him. Let's join our houses. I'm just saying like the, if the type, like the writing of that scene and the way that they interacted with each other there felt more like there were sparks than I felt between him and Volka ever. That's because him and Volka are like an old married couple at this point. They've been like that since they first met though. Because she was older than him. And he was a barbarian. But see now it's cute though. Cause like now when she calls him a barbarian, I'm like, oh, that's cute. Cause they've been together for so long. It's like a little nickname. We were actually talking about that. It is, I don't, when does it, if I'm understanding it correctly, is it taking place after Empire of Silence and right before howling dark for tales? Tales of the Sinister. Cause I read like the little intro to the first part of it. And it said that it was like him and the red company out doing some missions. So I assume it's right before howling dark. But I'm ready yet. Or at least part of it is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many like stories it is inside of that. But yeah, we will read that. I don't, we're probably not going to do a live for just that though, but. We can toss it in when we do, what's the next one Kingdom of Death? Kingdoms of Death. Yeah. They are varied. Okay. So it's all over the place. I guess we could have read that. Huh? Yeah. Good job. Before human and white. Good job, Diana.  Volka is the best. And I like Volka. They belong together. And I like Hadrian. So were you not sad when she was talking about like staying at the library? No. The worst. That scene was so cute though.  Are you going to leave me?  But I did a number of times in the book that Hadrian got all insecure. Cause you like you said they're like an old married couple and the amount of times that he'd be like, are you leaving me? I'm just like, oh, I wish you would. Just pull it together. You know what he really does become Anakin to me? Because the way Anakin would be like, if I lose Padme, you're like. Everyone must die. What's going on? Yeah, for sure. I was just reading out what's going on. No, I was too.  Like I have to, it's the Emperor's choice. She's just like, then do it. She's like, you don't have to be around her. He's like, isn't that what you Palantine do? Just like, I'll just be with you and you can just marry her and never see her. Which is why, and I complained to you about this. She's like super chill about this stuff all the time. Oh, when you said she acted like a character?  And she's all like, pissing. She did the typical, like. I was like, who are you and what did you do with Valka? You literally put this scene in here just so that Alexander would overhear Hadrian talking smack about him. This like, this is not what Valka would do. This is so contrived. It was a little out of character. And yeah, I mean, it was, it was the whole like, camera pans out Alexander standing around the corner like, What's the reality TV show of this? Oh man. Listen, him and Valka are, well, they're not gonna say it. Cause I actually wrote that. I was about to say they're gonna be married and have beautiful babies, even though she doesn't want to. No, they can give each other their genetic material. How romantic. That's, that's a weird way to put that. That's what she did. I know, but I wrote this down because this is when I was reading that he is. Yes. Just like my standard, that's why they're the same person. It was chapter 40. I literally wrote, dammit, Valka's not gonna make it through this story because he says, her clan tattoo spiraled from her arm and collarbone down her left flank, how cruel, how inexcusable that I who knew it's every line and curve and hers can scarce recall them now. So by the end of book five, I guess, when he's writing this, Valka's not there. So she's either gonna- Well, we don't like cloistered in isolation in like basically a monastery, which was confirmed. I mean, it's a library. They're like that type of situation. So like, it is like- But she's either gonna die or they never get left behind. Like at some point, she's not gonna be there. And that's gonna be the final straw when he just nukes everybody. You know what I'm saying? Well, if he is Darth Vader, she is Padne. She's Padne. That's why he's like, if you leave me, I'm gonna lose it. Put the suit on. No. And I just, Death Star. That's how it happens. That's when the books take a steep decline in quality. He's gotta make sure that he builds one little tunnel, though, that goes right to the core so they can destroy it.   Do we know how Adrien feels about sand, though? Does he hate, like, if it's coarse and if it gets everywhere? I mean, I imagine that is his position on it, I'm not sure if you mentioned. It's true. He's 1500 and we're writing this, what? Is that canon? Did they say that somewhere? And she could have died of old age. Cause she's like able to live longer, but not as long as Palatine. She could go into fugue, whatever.  Maybe. So that is, where does it say he's 1500? Can I just say, though, that if he is keeping Valka on ice, that's like brings new meaning to like fridging your wife in a book. I love you, I can't bear to let you go. I guess go to the freezer for 800 years. He's 1500. Yeah, but where is that written? Is that in the book somewhere? For zoom? Apparently. What was with the Empress though? Why was she so mean? Like even Alexander has to defend him at one point. It started the first book I get to Adrian says it. I'll have to read that again. It's too long ago. Not the book, that part. The Empress like makes him crawl to her feet like a dog. Like in the middle of everybody. And Alexander's like, Mom, what are you doing? You're embarrassing. Yeah, that scene, although like even though, I mean, yeah, it got so extreme. Like I was like starting to get like, she was like like my word. I was like, calm down. Like, you know how this is? Like, it's Adrian. She's just like licking my boot peasant. I was like, calm down, girl. And like both Alexander and the princess are like, they're like, Mom, chill, Mom, stop. Stop. Tone it down.  So let's talk about that. So Adrian goes in the colossal and I had this great moment in my mind. I was like, oh God, Switch is going to be in the colossal. He's going to have to fight him. And I was like, wait, Switch is probably dead. Never mind. I thought I was thinking about that too. Because like, from the beginning, as soon as like he parted ways with Gibson, I was like, I know we're going to see Gibson again. And then we did. But like, I don't think we're going to see Switch again. At this point, I don't either. But I originally, when they first parted, I thought Switch would come back and either like be working for the enemy or in some way, like he would become a test for him at some point. But now it's been so long that it would kind of be, I would kind of be disappointed and be kind of cheesy if Switch came back. It would, but I honestly, because it wouldn't make sense based on like where they're at that Switch would even be there. But like, I saw Colasso and then I was like, wait, we haven't seen Switch. I was like, what if like they put him in this ring and Switch is like one of the combatants and he has to fight him? Like, I thought that was going to be wild. And then I was like, it makes no sense. But then we wanted to see like, Hadrian kind of regret what he did with turning Switch away. Yeah. Some self-reflection.  He didn't want people to know that it was there. I mean, yeah, but he doesn't, he's not Palatine though. It's been like hundreds of years now. He would be dead. Unless he had access to- I guess we've been a few a whole bunch. I don't know why he would be. Yeah, he would have no reason to. That's- I guess we just got up on some other ship that went super far. Maybe. At this point it would be- It would be the realm of possibility in this universe for that reason. It would be too convenient for them to cross paths at this point though. Because like, why would he have any reason to be there? Unless he- It's technically possible in this universe that that could be a thing that happens. But like, I think it'd be dumb if it did. It'd be super plot convenient for him to like show up and do something. Like- Like if he showed up because Hadrian found out that he's alive and goes just into him out, then. But like, this is like a happenstance. We're in this great massive universe, like where people are traveling, like for years and years and years. Like, it just happened to run into each other like, no. Yeah, but like, are we even gonna have the Sander run-ins again? Like, I guess he was in this a little bit, but maybe, maybe it's possible. But I just- It would be a let down. At this point, I'm just like, what is it? Like, what is he gonna do? Apologize and be like, come back on the ship? I don't know. Maybe. Also, I think, the Hadrian that vanished him is not the current- Different people. Yeah. Well, I mean, even just within the frame of the story, like he's gone through so much even since that happened. Like, it's even if we're not considering like the decapitation Hadrian, just like he is literally just so different now, but he's a totally different person. He has become a God. Yeah, so I mean, let's talk about that. So he already was, you know, half mortal. Some people already knew about him killing the, I guess at this point, he's killed two Celcian princes and he's already, you know, renowned for that. And then he's in the Colossus.  It's just like, oh yeah. Such like an epic, epic moment.  Here's an epic legend moment for me that I didn't plan. But like that was great. So that was like the second time he got, almost got assassinated. And then he's like, all right, we got a bounce. So then like go straight for a ship and then his ship explodes. And I'm like, okay. So there's three assassination attempts in like six chapters. I'm like, this guy is literally getting assassinated all the time and then gets out of there. But it was just, yeah. I literally wrote like, he kills this guy and then leaves the arena and goes straight for a ship, which explodes. So it's just like, he just keeps trying to almost get killed. It was wild. And the assassination attempt that like, where they're like, well, was it aimed at Volka or was it named out, aimed at him? And that whole thing. I mean, there was in multiple times, like even so for the first one that was with bird people. And then the one that was like, where Volka got the brunt of it. What I also enjoyed about those two is that like, this isn't all just like combat and obvious conflict. It's that kind of like conspiracy mystery. Like political like behind the scenes kind of stuff. Yeah. We were like, who do I trust and who's behind this? And like, I think that makes it all more interesting as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we already know that his legend is too big. Yeah. He's too big for his own good. Which I mean kind of leads credence to what I've thought since the beginning is like, okay, if we know the end game is like he's Darth Vader. I always kind of thought that like, that's going to be more so of like his persona or kind of like a mantle that he has to like take to like take on that persona. Not the hero that he deserves, but the hero that you need. Exactly. I think that's where it's going. I don't think, I don't think it's going to be like Volka dies and he's just like, ah, it's like new people. I think it's really just going to be like, he just has to be the person that takes that, takes that on. So he's already kind of there. Oh, they definitely make sense. I just thought it was hilarious that like he kept almost getting assassinated. Yeah. It was, it was a lot. Yeah. It always makes the Emperor jealous. No, no one tries to assassinate me nearly this much. But it will sound like shortly after that is when he meets with the Emperor because he knew about it. And then they talk about the quiet and I'm going to get like where like in this chamber, it's like, no, I'm asking you like for real. No one's listening. This is being recorded. Yeah, that was sweet though. Because then obviously, you know, like the Emperor knows at least to a certain degree, like what happened to him more and more than is the official record. Yeah. And I don't know if we ever got, did Alexander ever actually accept what happened? Because I know at one point him and Hadrian and Volka show Alexander the footage of Hadrian's death like it's a little bit later.  Like, I don't know if it's a deep fake. But the Emperor knows. I mean, he basically says that he's like, this is fake. But the Emperor knows at least about the quiet and knows to a certain extent that Hadrian died. Because then it was so good. Like when he's leaving the room and he was like, tell me. He was like, are you really like unkillable or whatever? He was just like, unfortunately, I am and walks out. It's like, what a badass. I mean, also like the end end of this book, I think if Alexander had any doubts, I don't think he has any doubts anymore. I mean, if anyone watches what happens at the end of the book and still doubts it, you're just in denial. Basically. And yeah, there are a lot of parallels between Darrow and Hadrian. This is just, I mean, we're going to keep saying this. Like we love Red Rising. We love Sun Eater. We know there's a lot of these for sure. What else? So let's talk about Gibson then. So they go to the library and we get the Hello, Hadrian. So we're like, yeah, Gibson's back. He's alive. I knew it. I knew it. So but what did you think about like their interaction and reunion? I mean, I did think some of it was corny, like him meeting Volka and being impressed with Volka. And I was like, no, no, you guys see my girlfriend.  I don't hate her. I just it was corny. It was sweet.  And Gibson was like. He's a father. He always worked a father for you. But you know what's interesting, though, like quickly jumping back to Lesser Devil, like Hadrian to Crispin is Gibson to Hadrian, the way that he he's constantly been hallucinating him and been like the voice of reason in his head and that like it's weird that are not weird, but it's interesting that Hadrian himself is that for Crispin? Yeah, a little bit anyway. Back to Gibson. Your favorite part was the sequences, the holiday. Am I dumb? I think they celebrated something. They celebrate Christmas. I don't remember. The chantry doesn't approve of Christmas. We canceled Christmas. Yeah. I mean, so we learn about that. He tells Gibson everything that's been going on, like all of his fame and everything with the quiet. And then we basically came home from university and told his parents everything that he's been up to. Yeah.  She's just like digging through scrolls. She's like, there's so much knowledge here. And like, why is that a bit organized? Well, Hermione Granger's. She does. She does. She was like, if we could just use technology, I could organize this. And they're just like, yeah, but we can't. No, no. But then so like, you know, they go, I guess go underneath of it. And that's really fine. The Marikani I ship and it starts talking to them. And I was just like, Oh, okay. Cause I remember this word. I was just like, okay, it's found a Marikani I ship. And it talks. And it's crazy. Yeah. And then that's when we start getting the whole like, because up to this point there was, cause everybody had been telling me that demon white was even more like out there than how in dark was. And I was like, did y'all read Vorgosso's and like everything with brethren and like all that. And then we got to this point. I was like, Oh, here it is. Like here's all the weird time loop. It was like when he talks to the quiet and we discovered it and it that I was like, okay. Yeah. So from here we go. Is this when we went straight to the, well they, they had basically a Faraday cage, but like a gigantic Faraday net surrounding this thing. So like none of it, like you can't transmit out of it. No one would have found it. Unless you knew how to get in here. So it's crazy to think that this thing has been hidden basically under a chantry. Like library.  Just like, it's again, it's strange to me that like that's such a point when like, that's literally what the Catholic church has done where there's like, that's what a lot of things secret. Yeah. Like I'll mention this all the time. Like Durfee does this too. And five warrior angels, a lot of stuff with like religion and how it's actually like all their secrets and how they manipulate it.  And I'm like, that's one of the things that though, though, like your peeps definitely did. Didn't see Americania equals America. What? I'm confused that like that's their new, like how all of the words are like slightly different now and that that's like a new word they have that means American. Oh, then maybe I missed that. And no, so I'm joining you. I don't remember that, but I guess it does. But yeah, so that we went from the library is that then they go straight to where they spend some time there and then, you know, talking about staying there. Did you hear that? I heard that. Okay.  Okay. It happened too fast for me to mute myself. It probably was obvious, but honestly I, I slip details all the time like this. I think it's also one that like, if you look at it and what's more obvious than if you hear it, I guess, if you look at the word spelled out, it's very, it looks like American, but like, if you just hear it on American, I, I, I, I, me, that's very American. Exactly.  And they're like looking for weeks. And then they finally find like the, what looks like, I guess they thought it was ruins or some kind of like abandoned place, but no, it's time tunnels that the quiet travels backwards through time to make sure things happen.  And then it like wasn't there because it actually affected like a different timeline or a different, a different future for it where now that has happened. Yes. So he was like, we would have had to have already like come back and did that for it to exist in our world. And all, all the weird like time loopy kind of stuff that is basically magic because none of this can actually be explained. So I can't wait for you to see tenant. It's so cool though, because like to be able to put it into words and not, not necessarily make it make sense, but like enough to where I could buy it. I'm like, okay, like this is really cool. And exactly the timeline you have. Exactly. Cause like I said, the same thing kind of happens in other books. I mean, it's, it's a well-known, I guess like theory that exists in the world now of like, could this potentially be, cause at first I thought I was like, are they doing a multiverse? But I guess it's technically different. They are also doing a multiverse. Like Adrian three point, five point, 10. 0 is being pulled from alternate universe. Well, so okay, so let's talk about that cause again, cause he dies basically, or would have died again in this book. Yeah. And he's like, send me back. And they're like, okay, fine. Well, so, when we talked about, so like Hadrian dies in howling dark, the quiet replaces him with a different. Version or variation of him. But at the end, they're fighting and he literally gets like gravity bombed or like proton cannon from like the sky and he's just like he says it I don't know if I actually wrote like the the actual quote from him I said he schedules cuz we're almost at this point anyway but like so we learned about like all the time weirdness and how the quiet's traveling back through time and like how he has to survive for the quiet to exist and all the time stuff when which by the way he was he was gone for like 40 days and no and didn't know and then when he comes back back it's like dude you've been gone from like a month and a half he's like what are you talking about like six hours she's like no you disappeared so we just kind of figured that you were doing some weird quiet stuff and kind of hung out and accurate and searched they are like an old married couple oh you were just doing one of your tiny one you think exactly like they have the whole like standoff in battle with and I'm gonna read it Sirianne Doriaga I think that's how they pronounce it in the book but like they he basically convinces him to like walk out and give himself up and just like laser cannons him and this is when Hadrian like as like the beam is like forming around him to just like obliterate him he what does he goes he reaches out he said I died a thousand times but for every universe every narrative where the laser struck me down this is some like Dr. Strange like I did the calculations like there's six million calculations that we survived one of them said every narrative with the laser struck me down there was another where it failed strands of possibility indistinguishable from our own I had but to reach out and choose and create the world I wanted and just as Durin's bullet had passed through me which yet that also happened so too the laser fell by burning all around saved me and then he just like walks out and then they shoot him again and he survived again like as any literally says it like the tarmac all around me boiled and glowed with molten heat that rose in terrible waves undaunted unburnt I stepped forward still clinging to the vision of the Colisei in the at the end of game it is it's so good though but then he's just like because I'm pretty sure it happens again because he's like you should have sent an army it's just like yeah no shit because laser beams aren't working anymore and like everyone's watching this happen but I guess on the ship I have to admit to confusion as to like why he's able to manipulate like like why he could like grab a different time line dead now how can he pull a different timeline version of himself like I don't get this I think it was just and I'm sure Alarok correct us it's probably like him merging with the quiet almost or like him sort of like coordinating with the quiet to be like yeah I'm about to die so like let's like fix this and and just like but then he's dying and he's then it's a different version of him again but he didn't but he's saying he basically pulls a narrative in which he didn't die so again it's like is is he dead and they're just like nope or like he slides in he like overlays a narrative where he doesn't die it's yeah I guess well yeah I guess interpreted it as him pulling a fresh Hadrian from a universe where they didn't do that to him but I guess if you mean where instead of replacing himself he's replacing he's replacing like the situation it's almost like he's replacing the situation with the I guess like there's four billion possibilities and it's like this one I don't die he's just like go inserts that one instead not pulling himself from that other situation so basically what happens is he's playing a game and he saves coming he's he's f5 and he's quick-saving right before this beam hits and in this one it hit him he's just like nope reload and it comes down and the the d20 that this guy rolled is just landing on 20s every time and they just like nope nope and they find rolls in natural one and the beam misses he's like all right we're good and then he goes again and he has to do another check and he's just like rolling dice he's just like all right we're good that's what happened I mean honestly like I did kind of like after we learned that this is now tenant then I approached it with the same strategy that I approached with watching tenant where I was like just go with it don't ask it's just really cool who knows it's magic you can't really explain it because that's not a thing that exists in like it's like the main thing that I was still like like forget how he's able to do it which I mean I know that's what I was asking but like from me coming out of that scene I guess I want to know is this another fresh Adrian or is this still well so so the way that I read this one is that it's I don't know it's like it seems different because when he died in howling dark like the quiet stepped in right it's like you need to go back and like pushed him back so either at this point he's like able to do it himself and now he's literally going to be invincible as long as he like thinks about it because he can just pull a different timeline somehow but also is like is that only affecting him isn't this affecting the timelines that are being pulled from well that's kind of what I was getting at is like is it only affecting him in these timelines or is he also affecting the world around him like does this do something with everybody else or is it literally just like that moment in time like that one that one thing but yeah also then like if he pulled that thing from another timeline then it just appeared from that other timeline so it should have affected that timeline and so like just like the fresh Adrian that appeared is now gone from the timeline he was in so that surely had an effect like I don't know but yeah that's one of those weird things where it's like if you think about it it's never I guess I want to know why the quiet is so invested in this timeline when clearly there's other timelines where things are going okay maybe it tends for it to be confusing isn't planning on explaining these well of course he can't because you can't explain this because it's make-believe like this yeah but I guess even like he could explain what he means to be going on like is this affecting other timelines or not yeah sure but like you take that with a great like yeah I guess it's magic it's magic he's doing it because he has a really high metachlorian count stop stop think about how much smart like how much better Adrian would be if he used implants like vodka does and smarter everyone would be weirdly holding on to like the the chantry like and worried that they would find out that valkas got it like then he'd have to say he's under so much scrutiny but who he is now I mean but yeah I mean the chantry grilled him in this book right like question the shit out of him but like at this point what he's he's like he's this like unkillable god that destroys Cielson and survives laser beams like is the chantry gonna be like not but you have a computer in your head like well the chance you're gonna look for any reason to kind of get him now because they're terrified of him okay I'm just gonna pretend this last comment doesn't exist from Albert because that's nonsense that's silly but yeah I mean so where does it go from here though because everybody worships the ground that he walks on even more so now well either worships or is afraid of him and things like that will incarnate like so what is the emperor gonna do at this point of like you can't just keep him in your service well you guys like better at that than making him your enemy so you definitely want to stay on his good side yeah um what do you say what are you saying if I could ask you in this chat on stream yard right now I would I love the Darth Binks theory I really wish I wish that would be real but he was actually the secret mastermind and it would make the whole trilogy make more sense it would make it fun I don't know why he just happens to be in in places when they're all the way he's always getting positions of power like that would just oh you are like I up to something like oh that actually makes sense that whole theory is fantastic but the parallel of him being basically like a weird creature like Yoda that you don't take seriously and then actually being like the master like I love that yep yes I mean I'm just I'm just looking at the end of the book because I love how he ends each book with like sort of the same like paragraph structure and then like you know where this ends you could stop now if you want like I must go on alone which is again like basically what the book of the new I thought that's what isn't what name the wind did or is it book of the new song that does it book of the new send us that okay I forgot the parallel there um I would seem to read more so that you understand my references I I do read okay I just read a trusty files book that was not the assignment it wasn't it wasn't at all I'm trying to think of like where I'm wondering oh yeah that loads of people might start thinking that he's a messiah that's promised by the chantry he's our guy I mean probably so that's the thing those like so many people are going to are going to see or like hear about what happened and interpret it differently but also then like forget what people think what did the Cielson think of all this that he's a demon and well either that he's like they'll regard him either that he's the messiah or some kind of like that's what they should be praying to or they're going to try even harder to kill him but I'm saying like are they is the reputation going to work as a deterrent where are they going to think oh no like we can't attack him because he's this unkillable thing like uh oh we've got to work around that or like are they going to go even harder at him or are they going to worship him I don't know because that that was the whole thing of like Dorie Eiko was like this is who killed like these princes like this puny little human and then laser beams him and he survives and he's just like wait no did I miss the button and like hits it again and survives just like and then just like phases out he's like dammit silverware that'd be cool but yeah well I mean we already have like a bunch of kind of factions and schisms and we already had like the fact that people like on the dl were like worshiping hadrian a bit which is already kind of like a faction that is not super approved by the mainstream I mean again now it's like another dune parallel because even if you read like the first dune book it's like is he actually the messiah or like is he just being worshipped by people that shouldn't just worship and follow him because like he doesn't know what the hell he's doing maybe he's not really the the savior of humanity that you think he is like that's that's what's happening with hazer in here and the whole parallel we already know he's not going to be a savior he's going to be the villain sure but like that's he's he's kind of doing the same thing and telling it differently like from Paul's point of view it's like people look at him as he's the messiah and dude and like that series spends a lot of time saying like why you shouldn't just blindly follow somebody that apparently has all these great feats that happen like oh yeah I mean plot armor is pretty OP for everybody in this but but not valka she'll die or she'll go away she's not going to make it to the end obviously you just you want her to die I don't want her to die I just don't I they I want them to break up why because I don't I'm tired of like this the romantic scenes that don't work for me and then I just have to like get through them that are not moving the plot forward and I'm just like yeah I know I supposedly apparently y'all are in love whatever we'll just wait until book four is 800 years in the future and they're still in love and you still hate it we should be dead by then stop she's gonna go in fugue for oh yeah I mean like really quickly I think where where she's like super injured and hadrian is like oh no oh no and I was like is she gonna die is this the moment no she will at some point probably next book in childbirth she'll lose the will no stop no and the robots won't do anything to save her because they're terrible robots this has to stop she is gonna die though like 100 she is not yet she is a monster we've already established this she just hates all the female characters in these books what in what other female characters do I hate in these books cat you didn't like cat either so you didn't like you don't you I like um you like the princess I like Crispin and Hadrian's sister yeah what's your name Sabine damn you remember that because I just read the book today yeah yeah we'll see her though for sure but actually I mean those are the only female characters we could name there aren't a lot of female there aren't well there I mean the like the Empress but I don't remember her name and then she's like not really like and she's not like I care yeah I mean even the princess isn't in it that much either and I don't remember her name but she's just the princess you're really just following Hadrian, Valka, Polino, um whoever else is in the crew she probably will sleep for a lot of it honestly because she's super injured I mean that was kind of like alarming when like they like took over her and like gave her like basically a computer virus and you're like well that's a good reason not to have computers in your brain true literally get access to Hadrian's powers by manipulating the computers in his brain true and he's like a yeah I don't know that wouldn't access his powers though because the quiet would be like nope different timeline kill this one without computers oh man but then like so I guess again with the quiet mix so they're all powerful enough to like replace a one Hadrian with a new Hadrian when they feel like it but I'm just like what but then they are also so fragile and delicate we're like we need Hadrian I'm just like do everything but also nothing yeah like when why don't they just manipulate a bunch of stuff all the time I don't know it's it's weird like why is he like why do they need the Cielson's dead because the Cielson are monsters that just want to kill everything why would that affect the quiet why would they care because if the Cielson kill everything then the quiet doesn't exist right but the Cielson would still exist yeah but the quiet would cease to exist because Hadrian has to survive so that the quiet didn't they say that didn't the quiet say like Hadrian has to live so that the quiet was why who knows magic because the story is happening are we gonna learn that the quiet is Hadrian that'd be weird that'd be kind of sick though but that would be why this makes sense that they're manipulating Hadrian and why they they won't make sense Hadrian it would make sense to explain that part but like also why then why would this story happen if he is the quiet talking to himself well then it's a timey-wimey thing like you you caused it and like you you know that it's like a feedback loop which is also in tenet so just watch tenet it's the same thing but it's all I mean it makes it doesn't make any more sense in tenet but it's the same thing we're like like you're like that that works both ways where like the past self instructs the future self instructs the past self instructs the future self and you're like who started it they both started but is that how it works though because they specifically said the quiet moves backwards through time yeah but it can't change the future or like it's going backwards through time but it can't change the future it's I don't know I'm confused well I guess if it's going backwards then it can't change the stuff going the other way they need Hadrian for that but it's literally in the future mm-hmm so but I think I get the feeling that it's also always like they're kind of like they're the ones that are like oh you plead that you experienced time only one direction like it just is ever-present yeah yeah I guess I'm confused but also malevolent according to who because it is it's a matter of like perspective yeah I don't know it'll be interesting to see what happens from there because I mean it does like I mean I guess Hadrian is reason to trust them because they do seem to have his interest at heart because they keep saving his ass but like it is a little naive the way that Hadrian keeps being like well whatever the quiet we gotta do what the quiet want I'm like do you are you sure he straight up says he tells people that he were like that's who he follows I was talking to Alexander whoever he was talking about was like that's he talks to the emperor about that too I think yeah and he's like do you serve me I have my orders like I take orders from the from the quiet or whatever he says yeah start sony dear yeah JJ there you go empire silence is great now run away well actually we already spoiled the entire honestly like if you hadn't read any of these books and you just heard our ramblings right now you would be so confused we're talking about time loops and none of it makes sense it's okay maybe a different version you will have not heard it pull that other version that's unspoiled exactly what else do we have I'm I mean there's tons of stuff obviously that because the book is huge and there's a lot of like everything that we talked about in summation time exactly like there's more of that kind of stuff in these books that like I just didn't even write down there's this kind of shit's happening all the time I don't even know what even to talk about or predict from this like of course it is but like I don't know um like book of the new son like is it confusing in the same kind of way or is it just like okay I haven't read all of it yet but it's more confusing just because it doesn't explain anything about the world it only uses like in universe lingo because it wouldn't occur to the character to say it differently it wouldn't occur to the character to explain it to you it wouldn't occur the character to describe it to you in a way that you would recognize so it's all just the way he would tell it the way he would remember it and he's an unreliable narrator so like between figuring out what he's doing what his deal is can you trust him what this world is what stuff you actually do recognize when you think about it but he described it in a super weird way so like all of that you're trying to figure it out while you're also trying to figure out what this story is and like where it's going well it's supposed to be him literally like it's the premise of it is he's literally translating it for you right like from some other language that existed somewhere like isn't that the whole like thing about uh i'm not signing here of book of the new sun it's literally meant to be like a translation um i think i swear somebody told me that i don't remember being a translation but if it is like it's still just like a first person narration from an unreliable narrator that's telling you like their journey kind of like this where you like you know that obviously this person survives they're the one telling it and like they're obviously unreliable because they keep popping in to be like um not going to tell you about that or like you might think i'm going to tell you about that but like or like he pops in to be like so you might think it's unlikely that i'd remember all this detail but actually i have this like super crazy good memory that i just like want to tell you that i really have this good memory and you're like why are you telling me you have this really good memory you really want me to believe you have this really good memory that's us i swear i'm trying to see if i think somebody might have spent a while back was talking about it i mean there's a lot of words in it that like there's a lexicon for because but like it's but it's supposed to be like the the way that the the book itself is structured is that gene wolf is translating this story for us into a version that we can understand and read so it's like it's almost as if like the book itself is supposed to be like translated from some other kind of like language or existence i don't know it's weird i don't know about that but because every single word in it that like seems made up is a real word yeah okay real real english word yeah i'm confused we'll get to that later that's kind of the theme of the evening yes it's it's something like that i'll have to find it so far like there's a lot of like actually there is a little bit of a tiny waimee type thing but it's only like a brief moment where you think that might be what's going on with that and then we move on it's not like a brief plot point in the book of the new son at least so far gotcha yes i know people are talking about how it's um that gene wolf is translating it so like certain words mean something else but like the closest words that he could find were like words that are in english so i don't know it's it's weird any book of the new son is gonna be weird i can't wait to read it because sonator also does a lot of weird stuff that confuses me so it's it's very weird yes but yeah i don't know what else do we have for this i i think that's i guess i mean we can attempt predictions there's gonna be a time loop beyond you know had may dies and he says no and then he kills everybody and discovers the end so we still have two books left for him to get to well probably won't even be the finale of him killing the cl senate because he's writing it down so like that happened he's back at the library writing it so it's annoying us to do that um i'm gonna say that karen makes a comeback in some form or fashion in book four yeah i think it might be and not until the fifth one maybe but he's totally absent from this book other than he'd be talking about vorgo so it's disappearing and if they do a massive time jump i'm sure it'll come back to play um i think we'll get some kind of i guess because of like the timing of lesard double being published and then him learning about his sister and demon and white i think he'll have some kind of communication at least with his family and some form of fashion even if it's learning that like sabine is the ruler of their house or whatever now i think that'll happen um i don't know what for has then like do you think since sabine is at home holding the fort that chrispen will now like join the fight i don't know i don't know chrispen would have to like like buy into all of this and like know all of it because i don't know kind of his hero and now he's like legitimately a folk hero so but i mean can they just like broadcast everything that just happened to the entire galaxy can they just be like look this dude literally just survived a laser beam i feel like it wouldn't be broadcast and because it would be broadcast it would be like the word of mouth and become legend yeah because this isn't going to be like the expanse where holden just like grabs a camera and like broadcast to the entire like rising when they purposely like you know spread like propaganda yeah yeah i don't know so i want because i mean there's there's a lot of time and distance between all these different worlds and planets like i mean how big a time jump do we expect there to be now between this book and the next one because are we gonna skip to buy it like by the next book his legend has spread and now he is basically treated like a god everywhere i would say yes and since howling dark was long but smaller and demon away was 300 years i'm guessing he's gonna go possibly like a thousand years if maybe a little bit less than that i'll go for sure be dead then maybe she is maybe it just starts the first line of book for kingdoms of death valka has died and i'm in the kingdom of death or it's like chapter three and he's like oh yeah you might be wondering where valka is forgot to mention she died she died like 675 years ago in few didn't get to say goodbye too bad i think it's gonna be i mean it's gonna be a big time job because it kind of made sense for this because you don't want to spend an entire book of him like getting to the emperor and serving the emperor and doing all that so like it makes sense to time jump that but the where this ended yes that's i don't know because like you i would vary like you need to like you right where we're exactly like immediately follow up with like what the hell just happened so it's just crazy yeah i mean yeah from three to three to four so i mean how but that's that's like standard years though right like 1935 and 178 when we know that he's what 1500 years old does that mean that he's present day 1500 years old standard or 1500 years old total i don't know because total how old would he be right now a few hundred like 400 something like that because i know he he was younger than valka and then he said he spent so much time in fugue or she did that he's like the same ages right now and demon in white or like yeah during the course of demon in white they there was like a hundred years that they were like going to and from like she stayed in fugue and he came out for like several years at a time okay so if it's 1500 including fugue he's probably like four or five hundred right now and there's two books left so if he's going to do time jumps at all of them then maybe put him at like close to a thousand years old so like a 500 year time jump yeah because a thousand years would be too much because then that would be like his current age as of writing this so yeah probably like 500 years and then whatever makes up the distance to the end it's it's it's just 300 years so it's like very nearly yeah it'll be a tiny time jump between four and five yeah so that's that was right because i think they said it's it's been like a couple hundred years during this book so i mean that's crazy to just think about like how much time is passed i mean yeah we're talking about like how long it takes to journey somewhere and they're like is it worth it to go there and back and they're talking about hundreds of years and like actually like we can't fathom like what that means yeah and the fact that like on basically like it's it's not that serious for the emperor to like yeah i'm gonna send my son on this hundred year mission like see you kiddo like that should be some good put some hair on your chest see you in a hundred years like i can't imagine it's pretty wild man i don't know and so i wonder too did we like i know valka and hedrian had the conversation about like his multiple like visions of the future of like being on the throne and her being the empress and him being the emperor like does that happen at some point in these books do you think i think the quiet are lying to him it's a carrot why would they do what he wants why would they lie though to get him to do what he wants what they want for what though for like for what end for whatever their goal is or they are hadrian and in which case he's hoping that happens he's like wouldn't that be nice with all their kids running around well they didn't have any kids in that vision so they can have kids because of like the palatine being all whatever he had over a hundred kids got some spares yeah which he did hand over her cheeks wob so like i guess they could so that'll be the time jump 500 years and he'll have a million children a million he'll populate the cosmos has his own litter his seed literally spreads throughout the entirety of humanity he replaces all humans with just his progeny he is now the universe that's the quiet the quiet okay this is getting out of hand hey i mean honestly like we're just throwing stuff out there because anything is possible in the next books we have no idea he's sitting there watching like yep that's exactly what i'm doing oh that's exactly what i was planning how did you know yeah i mean i guess like i would be i don't know like party would be disappointed if the if the quiet just remains this amorphous unknowable who knows what they were about thing wedding series but at the same time like there there are a lot of versions of it being something specific that would be corny and cheesy and i'd hate it so like either do leave it a mystery which would be somewhat somewhat disappointing or i mean i kind of think them being hadrian is the most satisfying explanation if there is an explanation yeah because if it's literally anything else it would also be done like if somebody created it and like and sent it back in time to save hadrian or something but who would do that well that's what i'm saying like that would be weird and not make volka created it to say it would be a terminator at that point so and it and died doing it okay he's been asleep this whole time this is all that's the only way volka could go back to see him again by turning herself into the quiet now this is so romantic yeah that's exact that's the exact word for it i ship him with the quiet yeah but you just said valka's the quiet so you ship him in valka so i know in the end it she just had to become the quiet and then take us an hour and 40 minutes to get you to come back around to him and valka belong together together forever i think if you're gonna start singing we need to end this live stream okay well in in summation it was a heck of a ride timey wibbly wobbly yeah very timey wibbly wobbly as someone said time is stupid um your homework is to watch tenet it's fine i don't need to the book four doesn't come out for like six months eight months of someone so your homework is to reread all these books and watch tenet i will at some point probably when this the vid i think before before book five i will reread i don't think i'm gonna reread before book four because we're gonna have to wait until like 2023 for book five or 24 yeah something like that oh yeah next year is 23 i know tell me why whatever yeah so it's what April 2022 is kingdoms of death so assuming that he's writing it now i would say 2023 at the absolute earliest so he stopped writing all these short stories and focuses yeah george you're gonna start making tv shows i mean if they do make a tv show though i would not be mad yeah there would be so much you'd have to go through but honestly that's what the after the tv show and not a movie because if someone tried to cram like if they made a trilogy of movies one for each book if you tried to they would just simplify it too much it would make sense you'd have to cut like so many so much of the actual story out to like make it some streamlined chosen one crap where he kills the seals and and like that's the story because that's what would happen and that would be terrible or if they do like they do with the dark tower and put all the books into one into one 90 minute movie and have it make no sense to anybody and everyone hates it you meet him then you quickly pop over to vorgosos then he kills all the seals in pat may dies and he's writing about it again yeah before it's gonna be sweet i won't reread this series by then i don't think but yeah no but i think for book five yeah i'd feel like book five 100 just like when book six finally gets announced for writerizing i'll do a reread but not once he stops writing all this super dark crap and trashing it writes a happy dappy cheerful little follow-up no it's just a nice big reunion everybody's friends again yeah that's 200 pages definitely happen for sure cool don't well i think that's that then yep we loved it it's great can't wait for the next one us too albert when whenever and i mean we also need book six to come out so we have fresh comparisons for his son eater exactly that's the totally stole this from book six of writerizing yeah good books read them they're fantastic well you probably have read them if you're here so we really hope so otherwise you would have been super confused all right well thanks everybody for hanging out see you


Hey everybody, I'm Lance Goyke. Today is our second video in how to write a workout. And this is our second basic principle of training, and that is overload. So as I mentioned in our progression video, progression and overload are often combined into one term known as progressive overload. And they do, it's really hard to distinguish between the two. Where progression, I'm getting a little bit more and more and more and more. Overload just means I'm doing something that my body isn't used to. So it doesn't have this like time perspective of it. Like I don't have to think, okay, I need to do 5% more than I did. I have to think I need to do something that my body isn't really comfortable doing. Training itself, eliciting fitness adaptations, like all of that is supposed to be uncomfortable. So if it's not uncomfortable, you're probably not overloading your system and you're probably not going to get any adaptation out of it. Now, that might be okay, because your goal might just be to maintain the adaptations that you have. And if that is the case, it is fine to do things that way. But if you're looking to make gains to accomplish new goals, you're going to have to overload your system. So what does overload look like? That could be more weight than you've ever done. That could be another rep. That could be doing another set. That could be resting, not quite as much as you normally rest. That could be doing a whole nother exercise at the end of your workout, just to really push in some fatigue. That could be training with someone so that you're doing all of those things at the same time. You're more motivated to do that. Overload, the best part about training is you can always progress on something even when you don't really feel that good. You just take less rest and kind of like work through it. Because there's so many different pieces that you can tweak, that you can always kind of progress on something. Now that's frustrating because it's hard to control and it's hard to do different reductionist studies to really know what kinds of behaviors are eliciting, what kinds of changes. But that's what this video is for. We have five basic training principles. We're gonna go over some of the outlined principles of writing a program, like the pieces of writing a program. And then when you understand all that, you can just kind of start paying attention to how your body responds to it. So first principle we talked about was progression that is doing about 5% more every time. And second principle we talked about today is overload. That is doing something that your body is unfamiliar with. That is how we start to elicit adaptations.