We continue on today with Chapter 8, the body as a means of communication. Attack is always physical. When attack in any form enters your mind, you are equating yourself with the body since this is the ego's interpretation of the body. You do not have to attack physically to accept this interpretation. You are accepting it simply by the belief that attack can get you something you want. If you do not believe this, the idea of attack would have no appeal for you. When you equate yourself with the body, you will always experience depression. When a child of God thinks of himself in this way, he is belittling himself and seeing his brothers as similarly belittled. Since he can find himself only in them, he has cut himself off from salvation. Remember that the Holy Spirit interprets the body only as a means of communication. Being the communication link between God and his separated sons, the Holy Spirit interprets everything you have made in the light of what he is. The ego separates through the body. The Holy Spirit reaches through it to others. You do not perceive your brothers as the Holy Spirit does because you do not regard bodies solely as a means of joining minds and uniting them with yours and mine. This interpretation of the body will change your mind entirely about its value. Of itself, it has none. If you use the body for attack, it is harmful to you. If you use it only to reach the minds of those who believe they are bodies and teach them through the body that this is not so, you will understand the power of the mind that is in you. If you use the body for this and only for this, you cannot use it for attack. In the service of uniting, it becomes a beautiful lesson in communion which has value until communion is. This is God's way of making unlimited what you have limited. The Holy Spirit does not see the body as you do because he knows the only reality of anything is the service that renders God on behalf of the function he gives it. Communication ends separation. Attack promotes it. The body is beautiful or ugly, peaceful or savage, helpful or harmful according to the use to which it is put. And in the body of another, you will see the use to which you have put yours. If the body becomes a means you give to the Holy Spirit to use on behalf of union, of the sonship, you will not see anything physical except as what it is. Use it for truth and you will see it truly. Misuse it and you will misunderstand it because you have already done so by misusing it. Interpret anything apart from the Holy Spirit and you will mistrust it. This will lead you to hatred and attack and loss of peace. Yet all loss comes only from your own misunderstanding. Loss of any kind is impossible. But when you look upon a brother as a physical entity, his power and glory are, quote, lost to you and so are yours. You have attacked him but you must have attacked yourself first. Do not see him this way for your own salvation which must bring him his. Do not allow him to belittle himself in your mind but give him freedom from his belief in littleness and thus escape from yours. As part of you, he is holy. As part of me, you are. To communicate with part of God himself is to reach beyond the kingdom to his Creator through his voice which he has established as part of you. Rejoice then that of yourself you can do nothing. You are not of yourself. He of whom you are has willed your power and glory for you with which you can perfectly accomplish his holy will for you when you accept it for yourself. He has not withdrawn his gifts from you but you believe you have withdrawn them from him. Let no son of God remain hidden for his namesake because his name is yours. The Bible says the word or thought was made flesh. Strictly speaking this is impossible since it seems to involve the translation of one order of reality into another. Different orders of reality merely appear to exist just as different orders of miracles do. Thought cannot be made into flesh except by belief since thought is not physical. Yet thought is communication for which the body can be used. This is the only natural use to which it can be put. To use the body unnaturally is to lose the Holy Spirit's purpose and thus to confuse the goal of his curriculum. There is nothing so frustrating to a learner as a curriculum he cannot learn. His sense of adequacy suffers and he must become depressed being faced with an impossible learning situation is the most depressing thing in the world. In fact it is ultimately why the world itself is depressing. The Holy Spirit's curriculum is never depressing because it is a curriculum of joy. Whenever the reaction to learning is depression it is because the true goal of the curriculum has been lost sight of. In this world, not even the body is perceived as whole. Its purpose is seen as fragmented into many functions with little or no relationship to each other so that it appears to be ruled by chaos. Guided by the ego, it is. Guided by the Holy Spirit, it is not. It becomes a means by which the part of the mind you try to separate from Spirit can reach beyond its distortions and return to Spirit. The ego's temple thus becomes the temple of the Holy Spirit where devotion to him replaces devotion to the ego. In this sense, the body does become a temple of God. His voice abides in it by directing the use to which it is put. Healing is the result of using the body solely for communication. Since this is natural, it heals by making a whole, which is also natural. All mind is whole and the belief that part of it is physical or not mind is a fragmented or sick interpretation. Mind cannot be made physical but it can be made manifest through the physical if it uses the body to go beyond itself. By reaching out, the mind extends itself. It does not stop at the body for if it does, it is blocked in its purpose. A mind that has been blocked has allowed itself to be vulnerable to attack because it has turned against itself. The removal of blocks then is the only way to guarantee help and healing. Help and healing are the normal expressions of a mind that is working through the body but not in it. If the mind believes the body is its goal, it will distort its purpose, perception of the body and by blocking its own extension beyond it will induce illness by fostering separation. Perceiving the body as a separate entity cannot but foster illness because it is not true. A medium of communication loses its usefulness if it is used for anything else. To use a medium of communication as a medium of attack is an obvious confusion and purpose. To communicate is to join and to attack is to separate. How can you do both simultaneously with the same thing and not suffer? Perception of the body can be unified only by one purpose. This releases the mind from the temptation to see the body in many lights and gives it over entirely to the one light in which it can be really understood. To confuse a learning device with a curriculum goal is a fundamental confusion that blocks the understanding of both. Learning must lead beyond the body to the re-establishment of the power of the mind in it. This can be accomplished only if the mind extends to other minds and does not arrest itself in its extension. This arrest is the cause of all illness because only extension is the mind's function. The opposite of joy is depression. When your learning promotes depression instead of joy, you cannot be listening to God's joyous teacher and learning his lessons. To see a body as anything except a means of communication is to limit your mind and to hurt yourself. Health is therefore nothing more than united purpose. If the body is brought under the purpose of the mind, it becomes whole because the mind's purpose is one. Attack can only be assumed purpose of the body because apart from the mind, the body has no purpose at all. You are not limited by the body and thought cannot be made flesh. Yet mind can be manifested through the body if it goes beyond it and it does not interpret it as limitation. Whenever you see another as limited to or by the body, you are imposing this limit on yourself. Are you willing to accept this when your whole purpose for learning should be to escape from limitations? To conceive of the body as a means of attack and to believe that joy could possibly result is a clear cut indication of a poor learner. He has accepted a learning goal in obvious contradiction to the unified purpose of the curriculum and one that is interfering with his ability to accept his purpose as his own. Joy is unified purpose and unified purpose is only God's. When yours is unified, it is his. Believe you can interfere with his purpose and you need salvation. You have condemned yourself, but condemnation is not of God. Therefore, it is not true. No more are any of its seeming results. When you see a brother as a body, you are condemning him because you have condemned yourself. Yet if all condemnation is unreal and it must be unreal since it is a form of attack, then it can have no results. Do not allow yourself to suffer from imagined results of what is not true. Free your mind from the belief that this is possible. In its complete impossibility lies your only hope for release. But what other hope would you want? Freedom from illusions lies only in not believing them. There is no attack, but there is unlimited communication and therefore unlimited power and wholeness. The power of wholeness is extension. Do not arrest your thought in this world and you will open your mind to creation in God. And from the workbook, lesson 62, forgiveness is my function as the light of the world. It is your forgiveness that will bring the world of darkness to the light. It is your forgiveness that lets you recognize the light in which you see. Forgiveness is the demonstration that you are the light of the world. Through your forgiveness does the truth about yourself return to your memory.  Illusions about yourself and the world are one. That is why all forgiveness is a gift to yourself. Your goal is to find out who you are. Having denied your identity by attacking creation and its creator, now you are learning how to remember the truth. For this attack must be replaced by forgiveness so that thoughts of life may replace thoughts of death.  Do you not then begin to understand what forgiveness will do for you? It will remove all sense of weakness, strain and fatigue from your mind. It will take away all fear and guilt and pain. It will restore the invulnerability and power God gave His Son to your awareness. Let us be glad to begin and end this day by practicing today's idea and to use it as frequently as possible throughout the day. It will help to make the day as happy for you as God wants you to be and it will help those around you as well as those who seem to be far away in space and time to share this happiness with you. As often as you can, closing your eyes if possible, say to yourself today, forgiveness is my function as the light of the world. I would fulfill my function that I may be happy. Then devote a minute or two to considering your function and the happiness and release it will bring you. Let related thoughts come freely for your heart will recognize these words and in your mind is the awareness they are true. Should your attention wander, repeat the idea and add, I would remember this because I want to be happy. Forgiveness is my function as the light of the world. So today's lesson focuses on forgiveness and function. Forgiveness is our function given by the Holy Spirit. Our text reinforces and supports this function by sharing that the body as a means of communication is really all the body is for. The body cannot be forgiven and perceived from the forgiven state of mind when it is seen to be an identity, when it is seen to be a curriculum goal. The body is a means for the mind to expand beyond all limits. The body can only be used in this regard as a communication device, as a means, but never as an end. The body cannot be equated with yourself with any form of attack. Only the loving communication of the Holy Spirit can come through a body that has been given to its function, to its purpose. The Holy Spirit only interprets the body as a means of communication. It has no other purpose. If you use the body for attack, it is harmful to you. If you use it only to reach the minds of those who believe their bodies and teach them through the body that this is not so, you will understand the power of the mind that is in you. In the service of uniting, the body becomes a beautiful lesson in communion, which has value until communion is. The body is therefore beautiful or ugly, peaceful or savage, helpful or harmful, according to the use to which it is put. The question is, will I use it for forgiveness or will I use it for attack? Use it for truth and you will see it truly. Misuse it and you will misunderstand it because you have already done so by misusing it. Interpret anything apart from the Holy Spirit and you will mistrust it. This will lead to hatred and attack and loss of peace. But through forgiveness, the body is in alignment with the God-given purpose and this brings freedom from the belief in littleness, freedom from the ego. This reestablishes total communication with everything and everyone. This opens the door to communion with God, our source forever. We practice today with our function. Forgiveness is my function as the light of the world. Amen.


When I was six I knew I adored the pretty blonde girl on the swing set instead of the boy on the tire swing. When I was 18 I came out to my mom who told me she'd always love me. When I was 21 my pastor asked me to leave the church and told me God was disappointed in me. When I was 30 I married the love of my life. When I was 31 I graduated from seminary and was approved for ordination to the Christian ministry. You are God's beloved in whom God is well pleased no matter who you love or what kind of body you have.


In this video, let us try and find the greatest common divisor of some decimal numbers. 2.16, 0.72, 1.8. To do this, what we can do is we can get a common number out of all of these decimals. Let me show you how. So 2.16 can be written as 2.16 by 100. 0.72 can be written as 7.2 by 100 and 1.8 can be written as 1.8 by 10. But we want to get a common number out. So let me make it 100 by multiplying with 10 in the numerator and denominator of this last term. Now we can see that we have all the denominators as 100 and we can get the 1 by 100 out of this GCD. Yes, we can. This is a property of GCDs. Let me just write it on the right hand side. That if we have two numbers A and B and we multiply them with some common number K, then the GCD of that new number will be K times the GCD of the original numbers A and B. So we can get a common number K out of GCDs just like we do. Just like we distribute K in multiplication, we can also distribute K in GCDs. How amazing is that? I will show you a proof of this towards the end of the video. But first let us finish this by calculating the GCD of these three numbers. So let us see what we have here. I want to use prime factorization for this. 2 1 6 is I know 6 cubed. So this is 2 cubed into 3 cubed because 6 is 2 into 3. Then 72 I know is 8 times 9. 8 is 2 cubed and 9 is 3 squared. And 180 is 18 into 10. 10 is 2 into 5 and 18 is 2 into 9. So another 2 and 9 is 3 squared. So I have written the prime factors. Now I want to find the common factors. So 2 square is common and 3 square is also common. 3 cubed is not 5 is not common. So only 2 square and 3 square are the common factors here. So this will be 2 squared into 3 squared and we are done. So this is 4 into 9 36 36 by 100 and the answer is 0.36. And just like that, we have found the GCD of these decimal numbers. So whenever you are finding GCD, just get these decimals to have a common denominator and get that common denominator out and you can find the GCD. Now for the second part, I want to just show you the proof of this video for those of you who are interested. A rough proof. So let's say we have two numbers A and B whose GCD is H. What does this mean? This means that H divides A and H divides B. So A by H will be some number P and B by H will be some number Q. And what will be the property of P and Q? We have used this property before. The property of P and Q will be that they are co-primes. That they will have no other factor in common because if they did then A and B would have a higher factor than H in common. But that is not the case. H is the highest common factor. So therefore P and Q are co-primes. Now what does this mean? This means that A is equal to P into H and B is equal to Q into H. Now let us multiply K on both sides. This means that K A is equal to P into K H and K B is equal to Q into K H. Okay, I think you can see where I'm going with this. So now we have two numbers K A and K B and P and Q are multiplied with K H where P and Q are co-primes. What does this mean? This means that K H, K H is the GCD of K A and K B, right? This is what it means because K H divides K A and we get P and K B divides K H and we get Q and P and Q are co-primes. So we have just used the reverse of the property. K H is the GCD of K and K B. That means, what does that mean? That means GCD of K A and K B is K times H, but what was H? H was the GCD of A and B. So this is how we can roughly prove this property and this is the property that we used. We can also just see this property from intuition, right? If I multiply all of these numbers with some new common factor 7, this is our K, then this will definitely go into my GCD. So if I multiply all the numbers with some common factor, then that will definitely be multiplied with the GCD. We could have seen it this way as well.


Hello and welcome to the session. In this session we are going to discuss real numbers and its properties. First of all let us discuss what are real numbers. Rational numbers, irrational numbers combine to form a set called the set of real numbers. Now the real numbers can be positive, negative or zero. Now any numbers you can think of is a real number. Numbers like 2, 14.23, minus 0.23, 2 by 3, root 3 and 1090 are all real numbers. Now the numbers which are not real are square root of minus 1, imaginary number and infinity is not a real number. Now here the real numbers are shown diagrammatically and here we have not real numbers which are the imaginary numbers and infinity. Now here n denotes the set of natural numbers which start from 1 so it contains 1, 2, 3, 0 to the set of natural numbers and we get the set of whole numbers which contains elements 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on. Now the set of natural numbers is a subset of, now the whole numbers are positive the negative numbers in this set that is minus 1, minus 2, minus 3 and the set of integers which is denoted by i. Now if to the set of integers if we add non-integral values like 1 by 2 with the set of rational numbers which is denoted by q to the set of rational numbers root 2, root 3 of real numbers which is denoted by the diagram that the set of natural numbers is a subset of the set of whole numbers then the set of whole numbers is the subset of set of integers and the set of integers is the subset of rational numbers of the set of real numbers. Now let us discuss the properties of real numbers, real numbers for the operations of addition and multiplication the closure property, the closure property for addition is if we add then the result which is p plus q also a real number, so for multiplication if we multiply any two real numbers that is p and q then the result which is p into q is also a real number. Now the second property is the commutative property, if addition is r to real numbers then plus q is equal to q plus p and for multiplication it is p into q is equal to q into p. Now the third property with real numbers then plus q the whole plus r is equal to p plus q plus r in case of multiplication it is into q the whole into r is equal to p into q into r the whole and the next is in case of addition real number p plus 0 is equal to 0 plus p is equal to p that is 0 and in case of multiplication for each p that is for each real number p into 1 is equal to 1 into p is equal to p that is operation inverse in case of addition for each real number p you may minus p of the x of minus p is equal to minus p real number p which is not equal to 0 now p the multiplication inverse v into 1 by p is equal to 1 by p into p which is equal to 1. Now next property which is common to both addition and multiplication now according to this if p, q and r are any three real numbers then into q the whole plus is called the left distributive q, q and r of the whole into p is equal to q into p the whole plus into p the whole and this is called hope you all have enjoyed the session.


rself. Sure, yeah. And I'm, go by Jim, Jim Langan. I'm an attorney at Dinssey Nap and McAndrew in Burlington. I've been, my wife and I moved here with our young kids just over two years ago to South Burlington. We've lived in Burlington for about 10 years before that and chose South Burlington to be where we'd have our kids go to school and hopefully graduate from South Burlington High School. So I haven't been to either, I guess I should say, South Burlington, a DRB or planning commission meeting. My youngest just getting to the age where I'm not as essential for bedtime. So haven't done that, but while my wife and I were deciding to come in to move to South Burlington, that was sort of a way to sort of see what was coming down the pike. So I, and because of just my general professional interest, I have looked at the DRB minutes and the planning commission minutes going back many years and also occasionally have to do so for my job. What area of law do you work in? I'm in the business and real estate groups and so I do quite a bit of land use work and just some leasing work and then just general business, general business advising. I know you're with the refusal process if ever there's a- Yes, exactly, yeah. So then just the question is like how, what percentage of applications do you think you might have to recognize yourself? I don't think it would be very many. I don't myself represent sort of a developer per se in South Burlington, that's been in South Burlington. I don't really have those types of- You need to talk to any of those. No, that I don't myself. I mean there could be sort of conflicts from, I mean I've been at Densey for four years, there could be other conflicts that I'm not aware of. It's a 30 attorney firm. So I mean what I know another attorney in our firm is on Burlington's DRB and every couple weeks there's an email about what's coming before the board for a conflict check. And so I mean I don't anticipate it being if I was on either that I would have to recuse myself all the time. I've represent land owners and land use issues. Most of them are not, I've only done one thing that it was actually in South Burlington. So I don't anticipate that being a huge issue. You know there are already two lawyers in the community? I did not know that. That would be three. Three lawyers. And then we'll leave the building. Yeah, probably 17 hours straight arguing. Yeah. So I'm not a litigator, sorry, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gores or something like that, you know? So. Just so you know. All right, yeah, I'm not a contentious, more person. Lawyers like each other, that's the thing. They have a lot to talk about. I do and some don't. If he said he's not a litigator. You're safe. When there was one lawyer on the board and an applicant was here last time, I said, are you wearing this? Yeah, yeah, no, it's more of a warning for the other people than it is for me. And what interest draws you to both of these, to consider both of these boards? I just, it's more my background and my skill set and interest, so those were the two where I felt like I could be of most help to the city. My, I feel like it's important to contribute. I was on a few different commissions and committees when I was in Burlington, the neighborhood planning assemblies, and when the redistricting was happening, and CDBG grant committee. So I really feel it's important to be involved. At this point in my practice, I've done a lot more land-juice work and feel like I would have that skill set to help on either of those committees. How about building design? If you're going to look at either of these committees, too, it's really thinking about how the building will look, how it will be experienced. Is that? Yeah, I mean, it's something I'm certainly interested in. It's not something that I have a training in, but as far as, I mean, for the DRB, sort of applying the rules to what is being proposed, I'm comfortable with that. I mean, as far, I mean, beyond aesthetics, which is personal. I mean, I'm definitely interested in, I mean, I know it's been talked about with the potential new city hall and city center, like different people have different ideas about what something should look like or should feel like. But it's not my training, but it's definitely something I feel I'd be invested in and involved in. How would you advise an applicant to the DRB if you see potential conflicts between adjacent properties? How would I advise the applicant if there's a potential conflict of conflict of uses or conflict of, OK. I mean, I think the first idea with sort of any neighbor situation is really that it should be addressed early. That, I mean, by the time it would actually get, I mean, we could get sort of preliminary information before the DRB. But I think once that landowner is approaching the city planning and zoning office, they really need to start looking at what that conflict might be and trying to come up with solutions early for how to deal with that, and not sort of look for a sneaky surprise way to get something through, but to approach it head on quickly. Have you followed any of the recent planning discussions in the city? And so you've talked a little bit about city center, but I'd be curious to know. Yeah, I mean, I know there's a work list sort of looking what's coming up for an exercise, which is large. So I know that there's a lot of sort of different areas that they're looking at.  I know, I mean, there's airport issues, city center issues. I know there's Southeast Quadrant pressure issues. So there's a lot to sort of dig your teeth into. Do you have any thoughts on one of those issues that? I mean, yeah, I have thoughts on it. I mean, generally, yeah, I mean, I Here we're in a planning. If I was in a planning mode, I want to preserve the valuable regional airport. And I also want to preserve the community that's there around it that's been there for decades. And I think city centers will be a good thing for the city of South Burlington. And I mean, I think the Southeast, I think we need to plan ahead for open space. And Southeast Quadrant does have a lot of what's left. But I also believe in property rights of people who own property, not being robbed of those. So that's what a good planning process should try to accomplish is try to get both of those things done. Good answers. Good answers. Good background. DRB first, Planning Commission second? That's probably where I'd rank them. But I'd be happy to open to either. Just have a quick question. It's not possible to put you in either of those in your land use background. Do you have experience with conservation easements at all? Some. I mean, I know there's another attorney in my firm who does a lot of them. So I would have somebody to rely on. But I mean, I'm definitely familiar with them, yeah. Very much. Thank you. Smart people in this city. I'll tell you that. I know. We're pretty lucky. Matthew Kota, you are already on the DRB and you have served. And so you can dig, right? Haven't you? Yeah, yeah. OK. I thought we won't. Yeah, if it's open seats and people. Yeah. Yeah, if there are more applicants than people. I see. Yeah. We were both mixed up on that. Clarifies. Fine. Plus, it's just nice to see who's on the DRB among these other commissioners in time and time, too. Hi, Megan, David, Tim, Tom. Hi. Thank you for your work. Thank you for your service. We don't know if Tom's still there or not. I'm going to assume he's not here. You know, you should have gone out to that dinner. So just a way as a background, I've been on the development review board for three years. I moved to South Burlington five years ago. I live in the Cider Mill neighborhood. I've been vice chair of the DRB ever since Tim was two years ago. So I've been the vice chair for two years, just about two years. But my background, before I moved to South Burlington five years ago, I lived in Plainfield, Vermont, where I served as a planning commissioner for four years. Before that, I lived in Santa Barbara, California. But I grew up in West Coast, Vermont, which is here, Brad Burlton, William County. I've worked as a journalist for 12 years. I've worked as a school teacher. And I currently run a nonprofit trade association of businesses comprised of the Energy Services Energy Delivery Business. And you've learned a lot over these past three years. So give us some insights into, I mean, we're not going to talk about particulars, of course, but give us some insights into some of the challenges that you see for just the planning and zoning in general in South Burlington and potentially what could make your job easier as someone who's trying to make the code fit the applicant, right? Yeah, well, one of the reasons that I made the decision to come before the City Council three years ago and volunteer is that I think the greatest way to understand your community and know your community is to volunteer and to go to these meetings as a journalist. You would learn stories by going to city council meetings and by planning commission and DRBs. And that's more than anything what I wanted to do. But it's also the passion. That's the intellectual itch that I have. I've got my master's degree in public policy with a focus on urban planning from Cal State Northridge precisely because the way we design our communities, not just here in South Burlington, but everywhere is critically important for future generations, for land use, energy use, for community development, economic development. The decisions that we make and the meetings that we attend may seem boring, may seem long. But they're critically important. I mean, what we do on the Development Review Board every night, and I'm proud to serve with the six other individuals on the board, which are from a diverse background and careers. But we're doing education. We're doing mediation. We're doing negotiation. We're talking with applicants that are someone trying to put an addition on their deck to someone building a 500-unit housing complex. We're talking to a simple restaurateur who doesn't know the process of how do you get an addition put on to your diner to someone that is a well-skilled lawyer, that is challenging our basic tenets of our land development regulations and how to adjust in one night from one to the other, I think, is a challenge. But it's an interesting challenge, one that I enjoy for taking in. Most important thing that I think the Development Review Board, one of the most challenges it faces, is facing the question that we get from constituents, from residents, who wonder when is that stop? Or when do we reexamine that on some of the things that we're doing? I believe that we need to preserve open space while creating more dense urban cores. I really do believe in our land development regulations. I'm proud of the management and the foresight that the people that came before me had. But these are the questions that citizens have to ask us and ask, what's the future of South Burlington? How much more can we build? And these are the questions, I think, that are valuable and that deserve time. And I think the Development Review Board has really made a consistent effort to listen to the concerns of the community, to remind them what our overall goal is. And people sit in these chairs and they're fearful. They're fearful of change or they're confused. They don't understand how it happens. And I think part of our responsibility is to communicate that and communicate what the broader goals of the city and the people that run the city are trying to accomplish for the good of everyone. You're here. Well stated. Yep. That's all I have. You used to live, you grew up in Westminster West, or you used to just? Born and raised, yes. Is that right? Do you ski? Yes. Where do you grow up skiing? I used to run mouse now. There aren't a whole lot of people up here who used to live down there. And a lot of people down there don't even know that up here exists. Right? That's a truism. When they're down there, they go to Springfield to do their shopping, Springfield, Mass, or they don't come up here. Prada bro. You? Yeah. Is that right? For three years. So I just found that fascinating. Good part of the state. Any other questions? Thank you very much. Thank you for all wiping the tear from her eye. That's why we do this. That's as he stated exactly why we do this. Yeah. All right. Jacob West, and you have three possibilities here. Planning Commission, DRB, and Economic Development Committee. Figured I would give options, because I've never been on the community on a board in the community. So I figured it would be best to throw out there my skill set and things that I enjoy doing, and maybe leave it to you fine folks to look at where that might fit in. Do you ever combine any two, or simply one of the three? I would certainly combine. And I would say my interests are more on the development side, on the planning side, than they are on maybe, so I would say maybe DRB is the least favorite of those three choices. But at work I do a lot. We're a growing company, and we do a lot in a lot of different states. So I've had the opportunity to work with a lot of different folks from a lot of different backgrounds, and some really fast growing communities, Greenville, South Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, some places that have really exploded. And it's interesting to spend time there and see how that affects the people that live there. And I see South Burlington kind of obviously on a smaller scale, but also growing and adapting to some of those community changes that are already present, or looking at some challenges that I see there, and how I might be able to offer some input to curb some of those before they become a South Burlington challenge. So those are some things that interest me, getting involved, and becoming a bigger contributor to the community. To answer Tom's question, I've attended a couple meetings, and I'm an avid catcher of her. Of the Planning Commission, the DRB post? Oh, sorry, the Planning Commission, yep. And the Economic is a new committee. So that one's kind of of an interest to me as well. And I'm an avid, I would say I keep up with events in the other paper. That's my go-to, I can religiously read the notes in the minutes, because it interests me. Something I find very interesting. All right, so we'll move on to, are you more of a big picture or a detail-oriented thinker? So I am a big picture thinker, but I pay attention to the details. So there's a lot of times where you have to look at how a lot of different factors will affect the outcome, and all those details, how they affect each other. With construction projects that we work on, I'm in charge of the kitchens and restaurants. And there's always a way that anything you change will affect another part of the business or another part of the building. So that's kind of a mindset that I always go into that planning stage with. Oh, we want to move this wall. Well, what's that wall doing to some other, you know, the flow of traffic or the guest experience? So there's a lot of different factors that obviously you have to consider. So being open-minded about that, I think, is important. But also detailed into those minute little goings-ons, but also looking at the big picture, hey, it has to function. And it needs to open on time and paying attention to those big goals at the same time. Tell me about the main interest that drew you to apply to all three of these. I mean, you talked a little bit about the planning side, but can you get more into that? And you've attended a couple of planning commission meetings. So perhaps you can talk about it. So I think I've been a resident of South Burlington for about probably nine or 10 years now. I've lived over on White Street in the airport neighborhood. And I currently reside up in Oak Creek Village. So I've kind of seen a couple different sides of the city. And so I'm familiar with navigating the city. I know a lot of the challenges, I think, that South Burlington's faced with from a traffic standpoint, from the recreational trails and bike trails. I'm not a biker myself, but I do support the bike. Penny's the trippin' up on the name. We haven't made that a litmus test, I hope. Penny's for pads. Penny for the pad. Either way, I think it's a great idea. And I fully support it because I would feel safer as a motorist if the bikers were more protected. You know, I feel like there's not enough protection for them. I think the barrier is a great idea that gives them a safe space to bike in. I think it's mutually beneficial. So yeah, yeah, I know there's snow removal. I could see how somebody that isn't a biker, you know, might be opposed to that. But that's kind of the way I approach things. It's not something that I'm interested in, but I can see the other points of view, how people are interested in what it means to them and look past my own interests to see what's best for the community or for a group of people. Do you work from home? I don't work from home. So I do travel quite a bit for work, but I am responsible for my schedule. So, you know, when meetings are scheduled, you know, they're on the same night. And so that would go into my schedule. I was just trying to get a sense of, you know, from your business experience, how much of it was actually in the city? Because, I mean, you cover it's New England, right? Whatever your area is. So from an economic development committee point of view, right, what perspective would you have from the city, even though you don't really have a business in the city, right, but your business is everywhere. So I can bring that with you. I'm just curious, you know, if you have an appreciation for some of the challenges that the businesses around here have. I do, because, you know, I live in shopping south Burlington. You know, I frequent businesses here.  That there's things that I think we can improve upon you know, I think there's some challenges for sure in the community that we can work on. So I do see those struggles, you know, and it's more from living here than being a business member in South Burlington. And as both a member of the community and a business, I don't know, associate, I guess, how does city centers development impact the business community in your view? So I think it's positive. I think it brings more people into the community. You know, I think that there are some development projects that I've seen in some of those other cities that I think remind me a little bit of the city center.  So it attracts a clientele of a destination, but it also has people that live there. And so they frequent the shops and the neighborhood. And it includes green space. It includes very safe pedestrian traffic, but also includes, you know, easy accessibility for motorists. Or bikers? Yeah, and bikers, of course. All right, all right, good. With three committees that adds up to a lot of questions that I have, I don't know if you all see what you want to hear about. I'm fine. I didn't ask all nine, so. You don't have to. All right. All right, well, thank you very much. Thank you for your interest. You've come before us, right? I did, yeah, I did apply before. I just want to recognize you for that. Okay, yeah, this speaks to my tenacity a little bit. If you don't succeed at first, try again. But I think that, you know, it was a different place. There's probably some different applicants in the pool.  So obviously you're doing what's best for the city and you're, you know, you're looking to fill those positions wisely, which I certainly understand. So I can appreciate that, you know, maybe I didn't make sense before and maybe I do now, which is obviously my hope. But, yeah, so that's kind of. Just as far as the fact that you were here before, so. Yeah. Right. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. All right, well thank you very much. Have a great night. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Well, there's not much of it left. What are you talking about? This is like an hour and, oh, you mean till midnight? Yeah, okay. All right, Mr. Wilking, John Wilking, please. DRB and Economic Development Committee. And you have served on the DRB, I believe, two terms. Is that right? Not in a little bit. I filled in for somebody on the way out and so I had four years, four years and six months or something like that. Okay. And you were else? And I have gone by, it's surprising, actually. It's scary. None of us are getting younger. I don't think Dave knows me for my history, but I've lived in South Burlington since 93, so a fairly long time, long enough that Dorset Street of the time had inconsistent power, cows, no pizza delivery, no water, no sewer. No plywood, no water, no sewer. That's about when we fixed it, somewhere around there. That is, it was a couple years later, actually. Yeah, good. I do have water and sewer now. We do have water and sewer now, yeah. We approved the project, I think, in 85, if I'm not mistaken. So, you know, I've lived through a fair amount of development and I have a development starting in my backyard right now. So, I've enjoyed it. I find it intellectually interesting. I have had to recuse myself a fair number of times over the years, which will be less so now because I've recently sold my business. I do still own property in town, but I have less client relationships at this point. I think I bring to it an operational experience that nobody else on the board has. I've run a management company that had 4.3 million square feet of space in five states and I've been doing property management for 36 years. So, I know I bring to the board more knowledge of what actually has to happen with parking, what actually has to happen with internal and external flow and so forth. And that's the kind of thing that I tend to bring to that board. It's a great board and the current configuration is wonderful. Brian Sullivan, I shouldn't speak specifically, but both attorneys that are on the board are interesting and bring different points of view. We have an architect who's been there forever, solar financer. There's a good range, yeah. Good, good. And do you feel that planning and zoning in general is making the work on the committee? Oh, you know, Ray and Marla have been phenomenal. I mean the code, I don't mean the actual staff. The code is tougher. I mean, I think if there's one thing we could really, now there's several things we could improve on, I'm sure, but if we could, if we could get together with planning, the Planning Commission, more than once a year, it would be helpful. I can't tell you, well, every single meeting we talk about something that our hands are tied. We can't do this. And often we want to. Often there are places where a little bit of bending would make huge amounts of sense. But a shallow is a shallow, a may is a may, and we follow those rules right down the letter. So we're pretty careful. But there, you know, Frank Cokman has a whole series of things that he thinks we need to fix. And he and I don't agree on a lot of the end results, but we almost always agree on the rules. And I think we all agree on the rules. It's, the LDRs are what we live by and they're generally excellent. It's just a few little areas that make it tricky. Should we talk about the Economic Development Committee? Sure. So I'm one of the founders of South Burlington Business Association and the Economic Development Committee, I know, came from you all and came from all, from us at the same time, more or less. It was, I wouldn't say it was my baby, but it was our baby. And I was one of the instigators of it from the SBBA side. We've heard, one of the things we've heard a lot of in SBBAs is how did they come to that decision? You know, what happens if we shrink the road on Williston Road? Has anybody thought about the economic impact? What happens if the lights aren't on Shelburne Road because we're letting every other light go out because it's cheaper? What happens to business with that? If you add a bike lane, does that bring more business or does it hurt business? There is an economic impact on almost anything that the city council does. And we talked about one earlier tonight. I'm not, as I said to Tom at the break, doing that, doing those numbers may often give you a better story to tell the community. You know, David, I'm not against putting this over here. I think that's a great idea for a whole lot of reasons. I know Tom and I were talking about it. But the story would be better told if you could answer the question. Why there versus on a piece of land that the city hardly owns? And just saying because it's in the TIF is not a good enough answer because the TIF will give you 30% of a million five. The taxes could give you all of that right back. So that's not a good enough answer. We have to have the answer. That's a very good point too. So I think I'd love to be on it just because I think it's up my alley. I have more time free at this point. And I think it's something I enjoy doing. Can you tell us your vision for how this committee would work with our other standing committees and the types of projects in particular? Well, this is always the big... This is really a question of where you invite us in, I think at some level because how we interact with other committees is really how, when we're invited to produce information and when that information is important. Whether it be city center or an economic development committee would have been great about two and a half, three years ago on city center. So the story was better today. I'm not saying that it's not a great idea. We don't know the economic impacts with enough clarity to say that, yes, putting the library there is positive because it's going to bring X, even if it's a guess. We don't have a guess at this, or at least I haven't seen a guess. We've asked for it. So you would see the committee taking that project on? I think it's a little late. No, but I mean for a similar... But yes, that type of project. I think the perfect example is what came up tonight. I think that's doing an economic development analysis of the indoor, whatever you wanna call it, rec center is a perfect example of a spot where it makes sense. Pennies for Pats actually makes sense. I just came back from Madison, Wisconsin and their infrastructure is stunning how great it is. Every roundabout you know two blocks ahead which lane you need to be in. Yeah, but the bike paths there and through Chicago, I went right up Sheridan Road and the bike paths were phenomenal. And we don't, of course they have a bigger economic machine to build these things, but yeah, we could be a lot better. Oh, that's good. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thanks. Thanks for sticking around. Okay. We still have more. So we have more people to thank. Samuel Handy, Michael Siminoe, Andrew Chalnic, Timothy Perron and Tammy Zilka. Now they're not all here, but... No, they're not. Oh, he did. That's it, nope, they're cut, that's it. Oh, sure, why not, Mike? Yeah, thank you. Who's next? Sam, Samuel Handy. Oh, he's... No more dog park people, right? No more dog park people.  Let's do another one here. All right, we have Michael Siminoe as the next economic developer. Go to the next one after that, go to the next one after that. All right, Andrew Chalnic, energy. Michael's gonna be happy. All right, thank you for coming, Mr. Chalnic. I'm sorry? If you're stamina. Yeah, well, I don't know, we've got peaches, homegrown peaches to keep us going here. It's a dog. We jumped ahead, Mike, I'm sorry. Okay, so we have a first question from Councillor Chittenden about... I'm a brand new resident. Okay. And a week ago. Oh, wow. Where do you live? We're on Nolan Farm Road, 670, from Short Hills, New Jersey. I know that there's an energy committee August 16th because I've been in touch with one of the members, but I anticipate being fine with the schedule, but I don't know exactly when it is. Okay, very good, very good. And you could tell us a little bit about your interest. That's basically are you a self-starter because it really, our committees are, they're self-starters in our committees. They're people who make things happen and it requires a lot of time and I think passion, I think that's the word that was stated earlier in order to... So I'll tell you a bit about myself. Let me start with first like the civic aspects. I was the chair of my green team in the town I came from and in that position got our town certified in the New Jersey State program, sustainable Jersey. I was on environmental commission and I chaired our first Green Fair, which was actually a novel, we did a novel kind of setup and won an award from the governor at the time for the... So I'm very passionate about the environment and passionate about protecting our environment. So part of the reason why we moved from New Jersey is my wife and I and our kids. I kind of love the outdoors and love nature in the environment and I think New Jersey kind of loved itself to death and it was just not as much outdoor space and I was looking at an old map and it used to be a pond near my house and now it's just houses where we used to live. It was like, and so the kids wound up staying inside and playing computer games because there's like nowhere to go outside, right? Do that around here too. Well, hopefully not as much. So that's kind of my personal passions in the environment. I'm an active member of the Citizens Climate Lobby. I've been to DC a bunch of time, talked to our congressional representative and active member of lots of environmental organizations in New Jersey. I hope to be in Vermont as well. I'm good friends with the president of New Jersey, the conservation voters. So I've done a lot in those areas. So those are my hobbies I suppose. Professionally, I run global tax planning for J.P. Morgan. So as you can imagine, that position requires a lot of self-starting, very complicated issues and requires bringing together a lot of diverse perspectives in the organization to solve problems, very difficult problems. And I've been doing that for 10 years. I've been with J.P. Morgan for 10 years before that as a kind of tax lawyer in the group. My educational background is pretty diverse. I think you'll see that it's kind of, I was an engineer and I have a law degree and a finance degree. So a lot of kind of training and be able to think things through. Very good, very good. I would say if I have other questions for the energy. Sorry, my three devices here. And are you familiar with the state's energy and conservation goals? I know you just moved here, but. Look, I've been following it. I've been a member of Vermont Public Interest Research Group for a bit. And I've been following it.  I've got to get further up to speed on the Vermont specific initiatives. But, you know, I know Green Mountain Power locally has terrific programs. They helped me put solar on my roof and power walls in my garage. So I have personal familiarity. How about public outreach? That's something that our energy committee does regularly. They constantly communicating with the public and they've had a lot of success with the residents. And so. Yeah, no, like, yeah, I mean, that's, like I said, so I ran this Green Fair and what it was was we got about a thousand people and we had stations in a local algorithm or 20 stations and each station you learn something, right? So like one station was energy audits. The next station was how to do solar.  And so that was, you know, a massive kind of public outreach event that I chaired. So I'm very familiar with that. Great, okay. Those are my questions. Oh, I think we're. Nolan Farm as you must back up to the golf course. On the other side. I got you. Yeah. It's a pretty nice spot to be. It's really beautiful. We got really lucky with that house. Really, really beautiful. Welcome. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's all the questions. Yeah. Yeah, I like your energy experience. That's for sure. Yeah. He's got 50 solar panels, electric car. Yeah. Tesla is probably in the garage on the wall. Right. Exactly. I'm trying. You know, energy is the key to our future. Right. If we use the right energy in the right way, the kids will have a future. If we don't, they won't. Simple as that. That's right. So you have some friends you're that meter with or? No, actually, I've been giving a lot of free energy back to my neighbors because we haven't been using nearly all the power. We have not been. You have not been. But now we anticipate using more with the car. Right. And living there. Exactly. So we'll, you know, hopefully we'll use most of it, but it's a power plant on the roof. The thing really cranks. It really cranks. Yeah. It's great. So. Thank you for your interest. Thank you for your time tonight. I know it's late. So I'm going to keep moving along. We have a few more people out there. Have we lost Sam? Sam Handy? I guess so. All right. Well, thank you, Mr. Simona. Yes, it's your turn. Yes. We can get him back for August 20th. Yes. Okay. This working? All right. Yes. And Economic Development Committee. Okay. So. I as well as John SBBA kind of, you know, helped get that off the ground. And, you know, a number of us had talked about, you know, the usefulness of helping the city see things through an economic development lens. And it was great when the council responded and had a meeting and hosted us. And I think that was a catalyst for the council saying, yeah, sure, you know, we'll move ahead with this. And so I, I mean, I serve on a couple of other committees. So just getting real here. I enjoy serving. I wanted to make sure that the Economic Development Committee was adequately populated when it got started. I mean, I, you know, you'd hate to see, well, we want to have a committee of seven or nine and maybe only have four applicants. That would be unfortunate, you know. So I want that other than, you know, having an inherent interest in economic development and wanting to promote conversation. And I will say you sit through a couple of hours of, you know, the interviews, maybe not quite a couple of hours, but you realize how everything is interconnected. And that there are, you can achieve more by having, you know, collaboration, good communication, anticipate rather than react. You can go on and on and on and on. And I think economic development was a lens, maybe that, you know, people weren't looking through with the same focus or passion as some of the other committees and groups that there are. And it's not like a win-lose. You've got to find ways of adding value. And I think the addition of economic development will be an asset for the city. And I am interested in serving, though.  I mean, two is challenging at times itself. So I'm just being candid about that. But I enjoy the subject material of the committee. I'm pretty invested in the challenges that our community faces. And I think that I enjoy offering my thoughts and working together with people, finding solutions to do things. So I know I've kind of rambled a little bit. No, you didn't. That was pretty good. Yeah. That's 10 out of 10. Yeah. So any other specific questions? I think I'm up for renewal on Reckon Parks, too. Just, okay, so before you excuse me, if there's an eye to a dot or a tee to cross with a, you know, a statement there. Sure. I would like to do that, too. Yes, go ahead. Yeah.  Parks and Recks, you want to get an economic? Like I said, I want to make sure I feel that it's important that economic development gets off the ground and that the committee is adequately populated. And I don't volunteer to do something without being committed to doing it. It's rare when I miss any meeting for either one of the committees that we have. And so if my services are desired, I expect to have the same commitment with economic development, even though it increases the workload a little bit. Back to Reckon Parks. I've enjoyed my service on that committee. It's, I will say when I joined that committee initially, I was recruited by Maggie and kind of the force of her personality was as responsible for recruiting me as any passion that I might have had for Reckon Parks specifically. My, you know, my interest in Reckon Parks is probably not as driven by I want to make sure we got a program for this guy or that guy, but, you know, it's open space. It's land resource utilization. It's the politics of trying to get people to agree on how resources are used, making judgments about needs versus wants. And I think that I've been able to add a little bit of value. We've got a great chair who, you know, is very passionate and, you know, so her commitment is inspiring. And, you know, so the rest of the people, including myself on our committee, you know, attempt to do our share. For the benefit of discussion and just exchange, there's, again, there's nothing behind this question. How would you respond to what Mr. Wilking said regarding the placement of the Recreation Center? I think John makes a great point that it's actually a great opportunity, I think, to demonstrate to the community, you know, maybe that we can do a level of due diligence with that. I mean, as a Rec and Park member, I'm extremely committed and enthusiastic about the opportunity for an indoor recreation facility to get off the ground and find a way, you know, of happening for our city. And, you know, near the city center, it's accessibility, that's good. But we ought to be able to make an economic development. And we really shouldn't be afraid either if, you know, even if you can look and sort of say, well, you know, don't let perfect be the enemy of good or whatever you call it.  But that's definitely an opportunity for us to kind of take a look at it.  And so am I at this point in time. Hey, the TIF, you know, that's an asset here. We got 30% coming at us. That's really the main thing. How so the people bringing people to a place that we want businesses to locate? Absolutely. I mean, there are some, you know, there's some objective metrics that you can put into the conversation. And then there are some that are more subjective in nature that are a little hard to quantify. And so you got to try to find a way of, you know, putting them into the conversation. And, you know, decision making isn't always driven by one or the other. There's a combination. And so, but I think that would be an exercise that would be useful. Anything else? No. Okay. Are there any other conversations you're involved in besides these committees outside the city? Well, Howard Center is a big one. He's on board. He's on board. No, I guess not. Unfortunately, I've got a very successful wife. And I mean, a lot of people would say this, you know, but I mean, you know, she's great at what she does and her commitment to what she does and the people that she serves keep coming back to that word service.  That's, I tell my son and daughter that same thing. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Two more. I thank you both for this late evening just to keep going with energy. It was kind of alphabetical. So I'm sorry though for the late evening. Mr. Perron, is that how you say it? Timothy Perron and then Tammy. Where are you from? Tammy in the Chicago area. I grew up in Lombard. So I was very curious reading your background. Okay. Mr. Perron. Good evening. Good evening. Tim Perron. You've seen yourself in the last three months, although my wife is a long-term resident and we actually just bought her child at home. So things are coming full circle. Wow. Before that, spent about a decade in Burlington and then another five years in Vermont before going back to my college days at Middlebury. So tell us about your interest in the energy committee and same similar questions about whether or not you've been aware of them. You've attended a meeting. You've aware of their meeting schedule, all that good stuff. Yeah. So for the last 12 years, I've been with Vermont Energy Investment Corporation. We provide for renewables and energy efficiency consulting here in the state as well as internationally. And the majority of my work has been on our efficiency Vermont contract. And I've been engaged with the city staff as well as the energy committee here in South Burlington for the last seven or eight years, helping identify and implement energy efficiency projects within city buildings, street lighting, wastewater treatment facilities and are looking at ways to do things in the transportation and thermal space more effectively. So I've attended energy committee meetings probably twice a year on average through the past six, seven years of the energy committee kind of being formalized and then helping support them on a variety of projects, whether it be the municipal street lighting initiative or pursuing the Georgetown prize or trying to identify where the city can save some costs and energy bills across city buildings. All right. Cell starter. A lot of my role in my day job is we're given goals and metrics and sometimes those metrics can kind of put us at odds with perhaps the easiest path forward. So our role in this business development and having an account management team is really trying to figure out the most effective and efficient way of being able to hit some of our energy savings cost reduction targets on behalf of our customers. So there's a lot of creative problem solving and kind of active pursuit of trying to figure out new ways to be able to solve what are really challenging problems. Great. Thank you. And public outreach, that would be something that you would be doing on this committee. Absolutely. Do you have background in that or just a sense of comfort with that? Definitely a sense of comfort with that, for sure. I view with some of the sustainable energy policies stalled at the national level, the importance of community engagement, being able to work together as a cohesive unit and have leaders across the community being able to inspire folks to be able to just make one simple change in their life that can lead to a real positive impact that can aggregate and lead to a real difference as being really incredibly important and perhaps the best path forward in terms of being able to reach some of the state's energy goals as well as more broadly. So the community is a conduit for being able to engage folks, being able to inspire folks and being able to educate folks as to how they can make a meaningful difference. It goes a long way. I assume that you knew the state's energy goals like the back of your hand. Can you remind us of those? Sure. 90% renewable by 2050. A series of milestones that have been set both in the electricity sector as well as improving things from a thermal energy side and really trying to tackle the challenging knot of sustainable transportation. Trying to get off of fossil fuels in the transportation realm. Go ahead. Have you worked with Bob at the rinks at all? Bob, luckily, I figured it was when you said the efficiency from on piece and that's been terrific for us over the years. I've worked with Bob for a number of years. I'm actually managing a team of five at the office and one of the members of my team is working with Bob more consistently now on the lighting project that just recently happened. Well, we thank you for that. It's made a difference in certainly our expenditures big time. Fantastic. That's the idea. It's worked. So, if you were on the committee today and you were thinking about the city, do you have a particular idea for what do you think is the number one waste that we have? Or what is it that we are being most wasteful with? It doesn't have to be energy. It can be anything. I mean, focusing on energy is basically it's a euphemism for just efficiency. Just trying not to throw stuff away that you shouldn't have to throw away. So it could be water, because I just visited the Waste Bar Treatment Plan and they have lower inflows proportionally or per capita because of new construction, lower flow shower heads. And some of the energy committee have contributed to low flow shower heads at the saving hot water, but she's also saving water, right? But I mean, do you have any pet peas where you say, you know, I'd like to be able to make a difference in this one thing because it bothers me. Do you have any of those at all? Although it's outside of what I'm working on day in, day out. I'm focused more on the building side of things and predominantly electrical efficiency. I feel like the transportation challenge and being able to make transportation more sustainable from the fuel that we're using, so making the switch over to electricity as opposed to running on fossil fuels. The idling that happens across lots of parking lots and even when dropping off kids at schools, it's one of those things that has bothered me through the years. I feel like that's just a tremendous waste for no direct benefit that's there. And being able to encourage carpooling and ride sharing and figuring out creative ways to transport individuals and goods around the city that doesn't necessarily rely on single passenger vehicles as perhaps the biggest source of waste that exists for resources. So do you see that the energy committee might have a broader perspective on the city's wasteful? It's not that the city's wasteful. It's just that human behavior and their infrastructure they've developed over time has created some problems. So traffic then creates idling at stop lights and parking lots on highways and whatnot. So would you see that the energy committee could take on more of a role in trying to identify gross inefficiencies, not only in transportation, but outside of just energy itself within the city and something that you think they should take on? So energy is certainly a cross-cutting issue. I've heard it come up in a variety of responses as part of the interviews tonight. On things that have nothing to do with the energy committee. So there is that connection between using less water within your home and pumping energy, the energy to heat that water and being able to look at other ways of using scarce resources more wisely. I think is perhaps what you're getting at are other ways that we can apply some of the learnings of what the energy committee has done well from the engagement aspect with understanding what the overall pie is and then figuring out what aspects of that are things that can be prioritized, targeted in an action plan being developed that could apply across a lot of ways that we are using or perhaps misusing resources. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thanks. Thank you again, Mr. President. Yes, and here we are. This is why my sons had names that started in A. It was actually recreation and parks. That's the last committee in all of dog park, energy, DRB, bike and pet. It wasn't anything with Zilka even. Well, sometimes it is, and that's why they have A's in their names. They have the benefit of the doubt if they get to go back first. Next year we'll swap it. There you go. It was before. No. I've been in South Burlington since September. My husband and I moved here. We sold our house and moved to a walkable city in Chicago before we made the decision that we're moving to Vermont for a change of life. Finally settled in South Burlington and now that we've been here, I'm like I need to get back involved because that's kind of who I am and what I do. So my first career I was a systems analyst so I would look at the big picture, write the program and focus on the details. But then as life changed and things happened, I became like a community person. I got involved in health and wellness. I've been in the fitness industry managing a fitness center for Illinois Parks and Recs for a park district there for 15 years and just said this kind of suits me. It's a small community. There's a lot on our plate. I should probably start getting involved. So I went to play pickleball one day because I started that in our park district and I missed it. I thought I'm going to get back out there and I met Celine and I said, oh, I just applied for this volunteer position not knowing that she worked here. So it's a funny way how the community works here. So some of the things that I only put down Parks and Recs because I thought that was my background and that would be the most suited. But the other one that I thought about applying for was the bike and pedestrian. You had been at the top of the list. Yeah, okay, there we go. After affordable housing.  We had organized rides for five years in a row in Chicago. We did a women's only bike ride that raised money for a scholarship charity. I haven't ridden much here because I really don't know where to go. I do run a lot with a group of women and I've learned the bike path system. I've learned where I don't want to be by myself but I'm not quite comfortable enough getting out on my road bike in some of the areas maybe more in the islands because it's a little bit less congested. So everything that everybody has said tonight is like, oh yeah, I've experienced that. I've seen that already in the few months we've been here and I just feel it's time to get involved and see how I can help use the resources that I have and the experience I have to help my new community. So we should add the bike and ped to you. You could, definitely. I didn't wear any shirt to indicate anything so I missed that one too. Well, we look beyond shirts too. So what's interesting is when we sold our house and decided to move to a walkable community that was one of the reasons we did it before we moved here was like, is this what we want? Do we want to be downtown Berlin when we can walk everywhere? What we found was that we met more people, we got more exercise, we were happier because we could put our backpack on and walk to the grocery store and it was a half mile there and a half mile back. Who cares? You just didn't buy a gallon of milk. You bought a half a gallon. But you actually experienced your community in a different way. You saw different things and so as we were kind of bouncing around here in different rentals looking for places we did end up over by Arrow Street and that area is so walkable. We had a car and we hardly ever drove it because you can go anywhere from there. So the excitement about the city center is also very exciting because being in health and wellness that's what your goal is to get people to move and to strengthen the spirit of your community was kind of what we used in the fitness center is our kind of tagline because that's what a community center does. It brings everyone together for activities and the kids would do things, the parents would do things and it just strengthens the people in your community and makes them a little more excited to be part of that community and I think that's ultimately what I'm gathering from reading everything is what we want to do here in South Burlington. So I'd like to be part of that in some capacity. That's not this time, it's next time. So I don't know. So I told you I see the big picture but detail oriented, service oriented. I do have a full-time job but it's flexible so days or evening meetings would probably work fine. I actually have also tutor that's been another passion of mine so I actually work for a reading software company which kind of ties my service and orientation and training back into educators which are back into the community. So I kind of go full circle. I'm pretty much an open book. If a position of note taker is available on the recreation and parks committee are you a good note taker? Well, so part of my responsibilities when I started working for the park district was I was instructing fitness classes and they needed someone, the executive director needed someone to take notes so I started going to all the board meetings and the executive sessions and the task force meetings and every meeting imaginable and was the recording secretary for a lot of years as we were going through some very large referendums and spending a lot of time and committees and meetings organizing all of that detail so we had everything in place for those referendums. So yes, maybe I could go back to that. It's been a while since I've done it but I've been pretty much involved in the workings of a park district from the ground floor all the way up. You also heard we don't really have a facility so is that kind of challenged something that... Oh, it would be so exciting to work on that. One of the referendums that we worked on at our park district that we were, there were seven full-time employees so we were small that we all were involved and was a $3.4 million referendum to redo our pool and it was very exciting because I'm not a pool person but it's recreation, it's fitness like I was all in that and it's very exciting to be involved in something like that. There's so much that you can learn from. We worked with three or four other park districts to give us their insight because they had already gone through that so working throughout the community is perfect for things like that. Great. I run usually in the morning, like at 5 a.m. it's going to be a short night but it's getting dark now. Between 5 and 6.30 I usually run. I don't walk as much right now but that was kind of one of the things that we were looking for here. Up here it's not as easy to walk to the grocery store. We're Heather Field. So it's very close. It's walkable but I'm not a fan of walking on the sidewalk. I want to walk in the community houses where the streets are nice and you can look at the homes or you can be on the bike path. So I don't walk as much here. I do my errands to and from work but we do need a little more walkability from some of those communities. The bike paths definitely. Everything that's been said, it's all the same. I think we're all here for the same reasons. Have you attended any of the meetings? Like two days before the deadline I'm like, oh my gosh, this sounds like I should get involved. The timing is perfect. I haven't been to any of the meetings but I've been to enough over the years. I think I have a pretty good idea what happens at most of them. The committee meetings, yeah. I know it was late. Do you guys have any other questions? You had all the answers because you've been listening for so long. I've been listening for so long. Yeah, two hours. You could skip your run tomorrow. I might. Maybe not at five. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It's stamina. All right. Mr. Conner is. Item number 14. Aren't you going to employ the city? Don't you spend enough time here? You don't want to be on a committee. We're done with that. Gosh. 18 people with a 15 minute break. That was quite a run. That's Paul. Truly impressed by the quality of volunteers in the area. It's not a street. Yeah, they're great. Excellent. The quality of volunteers we have across the board here. Yeah. All right. So item 14. Consider and possibly approve appointing Paul Conner as zoning administrative officer, code officer and telecommunications officer. We're supposed to do anything else first or we just take care of it. There we go. She pretty much said it. I moved it. It was in our packets. All right. All right. All in favor. Tom, are you still? There you go. Tom, man. All right. Paul is still with us. He's our night owl apparently on the staff. He doesn't mind these agenda items. Consider and possibly approve a resolution recognizing the surface of Ray Belair. Raymond Belair to be. He's not with us tonight yet. We'll read this. Only an hour off here. I know. 18 people. I know. All right. And I am. Yeah, I just a few words about Mr. Belair. He was probably the first person I met in among city staff. Yeah. And so that was a while ago that's probably says here but at least 30 years. Yeah, close to it. Yeah. So he is I'm sure someone that many people in the city know. So even more than the city manager I think so. Mr. Belair resolution 2018 relating to zoning administrative officer Raymond J. Belair. Whereas the members of the South Burlington City Council are celebrating the legislative committee before that. And whereas in addition to serving as the city zoning administrative officer Raymond J. Belair. And whereas Mr. Belair serve the people of South Burlington for more than 30 years. And whereas in addition to serving as the city zoning administrative officer Mr. Belair adroitly perform the duties of code enforcement officer and telecommunications officer. And whereas Mr. Belair has issued and tracked permits for nearly 3,000 dwelling units in the city representing nearly a third of all of the units existing today in the city. And whereas and perhaps the busiest of all of the city zoning officers and 7,000 zoning permits and thousands of certificates of compliance certificates of occupancy and sign permits he knows a lot of us. And whereas Mr. Belair has worked tirelessly on behalf of the citizens of South Burlington to provide fair responsive and courteous permitting assistance. And whereas Mr. Belair performed his duties with the highest level of integrity professionalism therefore let it be resolved that on behalf of the residents of the city of South Burlington the city council does hereby recognize and extend its deepest appreciation for Raymond J. Belair service and dedication to the residents and businesses of the city. All of whom are the better for his years of service and that Mr. Belair exemplified the commitment to fairness that leads to making a true difference in a community. And let it be further resolved that a signed copy of this resolution shall be presented to Raymond J. Belair and that this resolution will be inserted in its entirety in the minutes of the South Burlington City Council meeting dated August 6th, 2018. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. but also just to see and witness everything that was described in there, but also to see the outpouring that he's received since people have heard of his retirement, whether it was Welles here or even in the last week of people saying he's retired. I genuinely say I need to take a minute and just to think of that this is the person that you're coming to get permits from is really, and that he really touched thousands of people's lives in this community and really felt that their government was here to serve them, which is what we're all striving to do. His door was always open. He'll be missed for sure. Big shoes to fill. Yeah, yeah. Well happy 10th year anniversary too. Don't go anywhere. Please. So we will sign. Oh, so moved. Second. All right. Is this not even necessary, but all those in favor? I guess we all got to use the same pen, huh? Oh, it's a Davis Studio one. So, all right. They're unique paintbrush pen. All right. Practice with that one. I'm going to bring this back and let you sign. We're going to wait for Helen to sign it too. And Tom, so you better leave the pen with Tom. I can get another Davis Studio pen. I would have grabbed a different pen. There's two? Yeah, you can sign this one. One will actually be given to Ray and the other copies. You're going to frame the one that's given to you? I wish this were the beginning of the meeting and we had him here and we could take a picture and have a little reception for him. No Ray better than that. But that's what I wish. We got no other business, right? We better not have any other business. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate Ray's patience with me when I was chair of the DLB because when I became chair, he has had a meeting with me every, you know, it was like Thursday Friday to go over the next week agenda. And it's, they're complex things, you know, so I really appreciate the time that he took to teach me, you know, that process and then educate me about certain aspects of certain applications and just bear with, you know, the whole process. So I was really appreciative of that. I took a couple of trips with him down in Montpelier and we went to some VLCT presentations on land use or, you know, DRB type things. So it's good, but he's going to be working part-time for a while, right? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Raymond J. Belair. Yeah, tell me something. Well, I think we're next to the other business and Dave has already determined that we have none. You did a stellar job managing this this evening and even though we're an hour late, it was fascinating to listen to everybody who's so highly qualified and interested. That was really cool. Thanks. Item 17, I need a motion for us to convene as the South Brownington Liquor Control Board. I moved, so moved. Second. All right. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. The one application, the rotisserie restaurant for outside consumption. I move that we approve the liquor application for rotisserie. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. All right, very good. I need a motion to come out of the liquor control board. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right, and now I need a motion for us to go into an executive session. Second. Second. I don't, you know, I don't know what the executive said. I just said that the reason why we're going to go into executive session is for all of these things here. Fine. All right. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All those in favor? Aye. And oh, we're going with Tom Hubbard, Andrew Boulder. Oh, we're not there yet. That was, this is the first motion. Oh, okay. All right. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Having so found, I now move the council enter into executive session for the purpose of discussing, negotiating or securing a real estate purchase or lease options, confidential attorney, client communications, meet with the purpose of providing professional legal services to the council regarding pending or probable litigation, and appointments to city boards, commissions, and committees. And we're inviting Tom Hubbard, Paul Conner, Andrew Bulldog. Amanda's not here in the executive session with us. She's here. Okay. All right. Just one comment. I don't know if we want to come out to a point. I think that Helen, I talked. I would rather that she be here for appointments, but the only committee that she wondered if we should have moved forward was the economic development committee. Now we heard tonight that it's not necessarily for city center, it would be for the rec center. So I don't know. Tonight rather than wait. That was her recommendation. Not for city center. We're in no hurry. That's how I feel as well. All right. The library board has asked Nancy, the last meeting, but not appointed, and they were asking if she could meet. Nancy Falling, she interviewed back on July 16th. She's the UVM. Oh, okay. We're in the middle of a motion. So can we do that when we're entering into executive session, however? Yes. Okay. So all in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. We're officially in executive session, but can we have a motion to appoint Nancy Rowley to the library board of trustees? Sure. So moved. Second. Let me find her name. Is she on this? She's on the sheet. I don't see her name. We interviewed her tonight. No. Oh, it's back on July 16th. That was when I was on the phone. I don't find her on the sheet. Oh, she's on the other sheet, maybe. Oh, my gosh. Oh, you can't read. The other sheet is a little bit small. But I think she's on that one. Have you found her for her? Yes. Is it Nancy Rowley? Folly. Folly. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Folly. All right. So we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Very good. And we will therefore adjourn following our executive session. And do you want me to take you up for the executive session? Do you want to stay here? Okay. Do you want to stay here? No. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Thank you.