This is how you know you have made it to heaven.  You hear that sound? If you're on your death bed and you hear this, that's when you can say, I've made it. I don't care what you're going through. Listen, I wouldn't care if you just got fired today.  How long will you hear? When you hear that, you're all right. The devil doesn't want you to hear that. The devil wants everything, he wants it silent, but if you hear that, the devil knows it in trouble. As a matter of fact, if you've got a demon, if the demon slayers say that you've got a demon, all you need to do is play that so record that somewhere. Put that on stash, all right, have that on reserve. Make sure it's got the red logo, you'll be okay. How are you all doing today? I hope you all are doing well. Yeah, I'm filling myself today. I'm having a wonderful, I'm having a wonderful time. I'm having a wonderful time and I hope you all are as well. So I want to go ahead and I'm clicking something as we go because I didn't do something I was supposed to. There we go. Now I'm all set. And you didn't even know I messed up, guys. I messed up in such a way that you didn't even know I messed up, which is good. But I want to talk about something that is kind of making its rounds. It is kind of sticking up and it is really, it has to do with kind of our role as Christians, as believers in the world. And I saw something on last week. I've covered portions of this before, but not really in depth. And then I saw a video on last week. So, you know, I have to I have to make a comment. And the issue came up by someone who I'm subscribed to. I like his content. I don't agree with a lot of things that why do we say that all the time anyway? Well, I like him, but I don't always agree with him. We all don't we always say that we say that just before we're getting ready to either dump on a person or tell him why we disagree. But the truth and that's that goes for everybody. We don't we don't agree with everybody, right? But I do like the person. I really do. I really do. But there are some issues that I disagree with. I've brought out before. And the issues that I disagree with has they have their root in the same reason why I disagree with virtually everyone else, whether it be someone who's charismatic, whether it be someone who's over on this side, who's even more conservative.  I don't care if you're charismatic, Pentecostal. I don't care if whatever it is. It all has a genesis in our hermeneutics, how we read the scriptures. That being stated, I also believe that that's kind of the reason why we have this issue today about what we're talking about. Joe Wevin of Right Response Ministries made a statement and it's kind of making its way around in response to an older video by John MacArthur. Interestingly enough, I actually covered this video almost two years ago. I think about two years ago. I'm going to play that clip of the video in just a second and also play his response as well. Their eschatology is different. Their hermeneutics is different. And we'll see that in a little bit. And I both of these men I like both of these men I disagree with. I know that's that's controversial for me to say both of these men, in particular one of them, but oh, well. But I want to cover this issue is about what we call theonomy. You won't find it's not a it's not a biblical word, but it's a concept is based off of two words, Faos, which is God, and then Nomus, which is Lost Soul Theonomics, where we get the term Theonomy. And so it really refers to kind of. And it really depends on who you ask, but almost like Christianizing a nation. And it's kind of a way of making the world our nation, obviously America, but then every other nation as well, a godly nation, a Christian nation. We hear this term Christian nationalism. And obviously there are some extremes to this group or to folks who hold to this. You first heard about nationalism when you would hear about American nationalism, which kind of a no brainer, right? You would think that you want our country to have an American centric type of view, America first, so to speak. Then you started hearing about Christian nationalism. You've got American nationals where it's America first and we want to put our interests above everything and everybody else in this country. And truth be told, that really is honestly, guys, the way the government set up. And it should be the same thing in Mexico, Mexican nationalism, Canadian nationalism in Canada, right? British nationalism in the UK, that's the way it should be. But what about Christian nationalism? That that's the issue. That's the issue. And that's where it gets to be a little touchy. Now, let me say this. Let me just say this as I as I move forward. A lot of times, a lot of times we determine someone's salvation or someone's level of growth, someone's maturity based on how they feel. If they feel the way I feel, then they're all right. If they don't, then something's wrong with them. Here it is.  Therefore, you don't care. Your heart's in the wrong place. Or, or you don't love what I love as much as I love it. Therefore, you don't care. Your heart's in the wrong place. We do that a lot. And so when it comes to us as believers, as it relates to our politics, then you're not as forceful as I am. You're not as informed as I am. So therefore, something's wrong with you. You're not as Christian as you think you are. Matter of fact, you're probably not saved. You'll hear other parts. You've heard this before. Can a can a Christian also vote Democrat? If you're a Democrat, can you be a Christian? This is where now I would have a heart. I would like to hear the person who votes Democrat, who's a Christian. Why? A lot of times people just don't know what they're voting for. They just vote.  Let me just say in Jesus' name, shut up, hush, hush. Why? Because you don't know what's in that person's mind when they do what they do. Because I could say anyone can say a Christian wouldn't do what you do. Well, what do I do? I don't know. Let us know center. I don't mean call you center, but you do sin. I shouldn't call you a center.   So we do know that you mess up. And so don't judge the world based on the things that you don't do and call them un-Christian. Now, there are some things that are ungodly that Christians should not do. And if we see people living in life, that person can't be a Christian. We get that. But if a person is not as informed as maybe you are when it comes to politics, don't don't impugn their their their walk with Christ. Again, it might be the not mature Christians or or it might be the not mature voters are not very good at understanding the political process. My major in college was political science. And when I would talk to people about politics, most of most folks just had no clue about this or about that or about a lot of different things. They just they just don't. People are not as informed about the things that you're informed about. It is what it is. And so let's not impugn people's heart because maybe they're head in where where you think it ought to be. Maybe they're just not getting it yet. Maybe they're just not getting it yet, but that's fine. But I want to deal with this issue of should a Christian push our Christian ideology into the government in hopes that the government will become a Christian government. Now, personally, I would love for everyone in the executive branch, everyone in the legislative branch, everyone in the judicial branch for some of you folks, there are three branches of government. I would love for every last one of them to be Christian. I mean, I mean devoted Christian. I would love for that to be the case. But how about we first start with getting everybody in our house to be Christian about having a Christian house? If we're going to start with Christian nationalism, why don't we just become Christian households first? Let's do that first. Then the next thing that we move to is having a Christian church. Yes. How about if the churches were full of all Christians? What? How cool would that be? Let's make church great again. If all the churches, if the people inside the church were actually Christian or leaning that way, if they thought highly and favorably of Christianity inside the church, wouldn't that be a good thing? Let's make that the first start. Let's make those the first two starts home and then church and then start infecting the neighborhood. I believe the way that they do on an airplane, you know, you get an airplane, they'll tell you first that when these masks drop, when the little mask drops, first of all, don't start crying, don't start screaming. Put the mask on, but they tell you first, put it on you first. Then if you've got a young child, take care of the child. Why?  So it ought to be the same way that we deal with our neighborhood. That is if I am a believer, then as much as I possibly can affect, infect the people around me and then kind of work our way out. That's the way it works. Matter of fact, guess what, guys? That's the biblical model. But what we do sometimes is we'll skip our neighbor, skip our neighborhood, skip our city, our county and go straight to Washington, D.C. You do realize that's a problem, right? I want you to realize that that is a problem. Trying to replace God with government or make government the proxy for God, make government the representative of God. Should we have godly rules or should we have an idea to where we want certain things? First of all, we need to think about what the purpose of the government is. I think we need to get that first. What is the purpose of our particular government? I don't know. We got folks that are from the UK. Some folks that are from the Caribbean, some from South America, some folks from Canada, some folks from Denmark and Sweden. Some folks from Switzerland took me a long time to realize Sweden and Switzerland were two different places. Some folks from Africa. I don't know what your legislative makeup is. I don't know how your government is set up, but our government is set up to do the things that we can't do. That is literally the purpose of the government. That's it. Our government was set up to do the things that we cannot do. And some of those might be protecting us, let's say from foreign invasion. I don't have a tank, a jet. So that's the government's job. There are other little things that we'll see that the government needs to also be a part of, such as, for example, you've got planes flying around. We need the federal government to make sure this plane doesn't crash in that plane, so that we've got the Federal Aviation Administration to handle all that. You don't want to be up in there in a 747 and your pilot has no idea where the next plane or the closest plane is. Not a good idea in the air, okay? So we want that. We want the government to make sure that what's going into our pancake mix is supposed to be in there. It's not concrete mix. We want the government because we want to make sure there's some oversight. But other than that, taking care of our kids, telling us how we ought to raise them, things like that, that becomes a problem. Problem is though, when you put man in charge of something, I can promise you this, he's going to mess it up. Yeah, go to the politician's house and see how he's doing. So, but anyway, I want to cover something that John McCarthy said without me ranting too much. Let me get off my soapbox and let's cover what John MacArthur said. And let's, thank you, Tony, because that really is our main mandate. That is our main mandate, the Great Commission. We'll cover that in just a little bit, though. But I want to cover what John MacArthur said. This was about two years ago.  Our nation is going the way of Satan, but what else would it do? We don't win down here. We lose. You ready for that? Oh, you were a post millennialist. You thought we're just going to go waltzing into the kingdom as you took over the world. Now, let me just say this and somebody might come back and disagree with a couple of things. One, when he's saying that we lose, he's not saying that we lose. Lose, lose. But in terms of the scoreboard, it's not going to look good for us for the vast majority of our human existence. But then he says he speaks about post millennialists. Post millennial, it speaks of Christ's return post millennial after the millennial. In other words, the millennial reign takes place with him not there and then he shows up. Which necessarily means that we have to do a certain job here to kind of make things nice, smooth out. In other words, we become kind of a political giant, the Baptist. We make the way straight for him to show up. Now, during that millennial reign, during that millennial reign, where things are hunky-dory down here, Satan necessarily has to be gone. Well, we can't do that. But then what about the hearts of men? But in case some of you all are wondering, what is a post millennial? What is a premillennial? What's an omelennial? Premillennial is someone who believes that Christ comes back prior to the millennial reign. It's not like he is the one that's reigning. And then you've got the omelennials. And there are different types of omelennials and so forth, and folks vary from group to group. But an omelennial is someone, it really means no millennial, but that's not what they're saying either. They're saying, and they have this in common with post millennial, that the millennial reign is not an actual thousand years. It's not literal. Now, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this, and you guys feel free to put in the chats, where do you get this thought, this notion that every time that a thousand is mentioned, it doesn't mean a thousand means a long time? Have we, have you, can I ask you a question before I jump into this though? We got time. Where else in scripture, when it says a thousand years, or it gives numbers that these numbers aren't taken literally? I'm just, I'm just wondering, I could be wrong. I really could be wrong. But I would love to know when the, when numbers are given, they're not actual, they're not actual numbers. We shouldn't take these numbers literally. Now, I could be wrong. I can, I can, I can be wrong. But every time that I can, that I've checked, and by the way, I've checked every time that the word thousand is used, every time that I, B.J. says I'm wrong. Brother, I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Give me a time that a thousand isn't a thousand, or that Brian says seven times 70, or really you have it back with 70 times seven. Is that to be taken literally? Yes, it is. Yes, it is Brian. How many times should you forgive your brothers? 70 times seven. Why is that stated? I'll tell you exactly why. Because remember, and we don't mind going, you all don't mind taking time to go over the scriptures, do you? You don't mind taking time to dive into the scriptures a little bit. I hope you don't. You know why? That's why you showed up to the Smart Christians channel. All of us are Smart Christians, meaning that we don't know it all. There's a lot that we don't know. And so we come together to try to figure this stuff out, which is why you, why you tuned in. You tuned in, because when you heard this, you said, man, it is time to get serious about the word. That's why you tuned in. So Michael, thank you for the super chat. I told you I'm having a good time. I told you I'm having a good time. But the reason why we have this, and guess what? It actually ties into this. So it is actually a good thing that you brought that up, Brian.  I'm paraphrased. He didn't say it like that, but he could have said it like that.   But wait a minute, God, you hadn't put us in a promised land yet.  I'm going to take you out of this promised land. I'm going to take you out.  But one of the reasons that's going to take you out is I'm going to give you some things to do. And one of those things that I want you to keep is the Sabbath, but not just a Sabbath for yourself, but also a Sabbath for the land. So every seven years, the land should also have a Sabbath arrest.  I'm God, I'm going to provide for you. I promise you this, and you know how you know because you just saw me deliver you out of Egypt. So what do they do? They violate that Sabbath, that's seven every seven years. Brian or BJ, I'm sorry, BJ and Brian, how many times do you all think that the Jews violated that seven? Seventy times. They violated that seven, 70 times. So 70 times seven. Oh, by the way, Daniel during the exile is praying. Almost time for this 70 year period, this 70 year exile to be up. And so Lord, I'm praying about my people, Israel. When are we going to get back in? And so here comes Gabriel with some good news. Gabriel says, 77s have been decreed. 77s. So when these Jews ask Jesus, how many times do you forgive your brother, these Jewish people, 70 times seven? Why is that? Jesus is messing with them because this is what you are. This is why you're here, Jewish people. So that number is for a particular reason. Are you with me? Anyway, but every time we see the numbers, the numbers absolutely mean something. And so they mean something, I don't care if you post meal, if you pre-meal, if you are meal, if you know meal, the numbers in the Bible literally mean something. But anyway, let's get back to McCartney. No. We lose here. Get it. They killed Jesus. They killed all the apostles. We're all going to be persecuted. Finny man, come after me, let him. But I'm self, we don't win down here. You ready for that? Just to clear the air, I love this clarity. We don't win. We lose on this battlefield, but we win on the big one. Well, I mean, now I agree with that. Now I see Joel is in the chest. Are you, are you saying right now, Joel? If so, then I'll be more than happy to, to send you the link. Or if you want to schedule a different time, more, more than more than welcome. Let me, let me know if you want to come on now. No problem. No problem. We can, we can have a discussion now. It'd be a pretty fruitful conversation. But if you want to do it tomorrow or some other day, let me know. Kind of cool. You know what, you know, you know why Joel is here? Because he heard this. So what does it?   How can you not? How can you not? So anyway, I'll wait before I, because I'll wait to see if, if he were, probably that's my jam. It's my jam too. Although there's going to be a new intro coming in as well. So you all will see the new intro in probably about a week, probably about a week. It's all almost, almost done. So, um, but what do you guys think? Do you all feel like we lose here? Or do we win? Or is it a combination of both? Okay, uh, Joel says he can do it now. Then go ahead and send me a, an email, um, to a smart Christian channel at Gmail. Let me put that on. Where is it? I just saw, I just saw someone put it on the screen. I just saw it on the screen. Where's it at? There it is. Smart Christian channel at Gmail. Go ahead and email me, and I will, I will send you the link to come on. Uh, let me, let me pull that email. Where is it at? Where is, okay, I gotta pull it up. Give me a second, guys. Oh, okay. I've got to email from someone else as well.  As I said before, I've got, I'm down about 3000 emails behind. So in the meantime, guys, what do you all think? What, what do you all think? Do you all think that this is, um, that, that MacArthur's right, that we lose? And maybe you, you're wanting, you're wondering, well, in what way, what, how so? What does, what does he mean by we lose? Tyrone, thanks for the super chat. Matter of fact, let me go ahead and make sure my interview is on. Oh, here he is. Let me go ahead and, um, apply. All right. Give me a second, guys. All right, Joel. I just sent it. Okay, cool. Yes, Prime Minister 66. You got the notification. So what do you, while we're waiting on Joel, what, what do you guys think? I think we do. I think we, now in the grand scheme of things, we're overcomers. That part cannot be, misunderstood. We are overcomers in the grand scheme of things, but in terms of, but in terms of here, I don't see how. So now, it's better to let him give, give his understanding. But now his understanding isn't the same as everyone else's as well. And so his as he is, there are some that are far more radical in terms of, in terms of this understanding. Hold on one second, brother Joel. Let me, let me add this. I got to do something through those scenes. And this, okay. What I have to do is I have to assign these. Y'all give me one second. And let's see. Go to here and then here. Give me one second, guys. I'm trying to, now, let's go to this one. Both and bring Joel on. Joel, how you doing? I'm doing great. Very kind of you to let me on. Thank you. Oh, it's no problem. Let me, let's see. This is both of us. And then let me do this also. Okay. All right. So without, I'm gonna go ahead and ditch everything that I was going to say. By the way, is this, this is just a picture of you, right? Yeah, it looks like it's just a picture, but I can see underneath. I can see me moving. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I don't know. It is, I don't know. It is a, some sort of connection issue, but listen, as long as I feel like as long as we can, as long as we can see you, I mean, as long as we can hear you, and they can see your face, I guess, I guess that's good enough. You're not, you're not coming to us from the, from the comfy lounge. So, okay, you moved a little bit. So what it is, is it, that's just an issue of the connection, but that's, that's fine. So do me a favor, Joel, explain to us why you think John MacArthur is wrong and kind of explain, explain your view. Yeah. So I'm, I'm post millennial, as you know, most people probably know. And so to be fair, you try to steal man when you disagree with someone, so that if, if they're wrong, the arguments fairly represented and you can actually demonstrate that instead of straw man. So one thing that I like to say with eschatology is that whether you're pre-mail, all-mail or post-mail, we all believe that Jesus wins to be fair. We all believe Jesus wins. The question is over how, right? The question is over how. And so in a nutshell, as a post millennial, I believe that Jesus wins through the church in the gospel age, progressively throughout human history, before his final physical return. Whereas the dispensational, and you have to bifurcate, there's the historic pre-mail guys like Justin Martyr that would not emphasize a rapture or even hold to a rapture. And then there's the more recent dispensational pre-millennial view which John MacArthur in his defense would be a leaky dispensational, but he does have the dispensational pre-millennialism going on with his eschatology. And so with that, I would say John MacArthur absolutely believes that Jesus wins and the church by proxy through Christ's victory. The church wins too. But in terms of how, post-mail believes Jesus wins through the church. Pre-mail believes Jesus wins despite the church. That the church, Jesus will sustain. He will preserve. But it's not the church in a tangible, literal, physical, earthly sense gaining real victory in society, in culture, in governments, in human history. So winning despite the church or winning through the church? Okay, so That's the way Explain that. What does that look like when we, when you say winning through the church rather than despite, how does that look? So let's say after it's all said and done and the plan, the plan has come to fruition. How does that look? Yeah. So it's first Corinthians 15, then he will hand the kingdom to the father. Or, you know, first Corinthians 15, I believe it's verse 25, he must reign until all his enemies have been subjected under his feet. The last of his enemies being death.   I will build, not just sustain, but build, advance, increase my church. So we believe that the Great Commission will be successful. And that's not fair, again, to say, you know, of course, pre-mill, all Christians believe the Great Commission will be successful. But most post-millennials believe that in numerical, literal terms, there will be more people in heaven at the end of the age. Charles Spurgeon actually held to that. Charles Spurgeon believed that that if Christ is truly victorious, in order for Satan not to, his quote, I'm paraphrasing, but he says, in order for Satan not to be able to mock Jesus, Christ, his victory, has to mean more souls in heaven than hell.  But all that being said, what does it look like in the literal sense? It looks like one by one, certain idols pagan worldviews, injust government laws and systems, one by one crumbling, and being subjected to the Christian worldview, to the Lordship of Jesus Christ as the leaven permeates the whole lump of dough. So that when Christ returns, and this would be the big difference, is I think the dispensational pre-mill, they believe that the first enemy, Christ will defeat is death. Whereas we believe within 1 Corinthians 15, that the last enemy, that Christ actually through the church, and the success of the Great Commission, the success of the Gospel going forth, the Christian view, being supreme and dominating over paganism, secular humanism, all these other things, that when Christ returns, that the vast majority, and in a real tangible sense, many of these other idols and enemies will have been defeated, and then he'll defeat that final enemy, being death. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, it does, but why can't all of those things happen, and yet there still be few, and I don't know what the number of few is, but when he says that, that broad and narrow and so forth, and he says few are there that find him, why can't few just be few, and then he still get, why does he have to, why does, I guess the way we look at it, it has to be a majority or a large amount for him to be defeated. Why can't he be just as victorious with few? Again, I don't know what few is. That's a great question, and the answer is it doesn't, because not every post-millennial, just like not every dispensational premillennial, if you know anything, Corey, and I know you do, turns out a lot of Christians disagree with each other. So obviously not everybody. So a lot of post-millennials hold to the majority being saved, and I would be one of them. B.B. Warfield, the text that you cited, so narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life and few ever find it. He used that parable, and he kind of compared it to other parables and said, first we need to understand what is Jesus trying to express in a parable, and I know you know this well, Corey, like sometimes guys will take a parable and will say, well, because the four soils were such and such and blah, blah, blah, that means, and it's like, okay, you can only take the parable as far as Jesus intended it. So B.B. Warfield, he was a notable post-millennial. He says, what Jesus is trying to say is that the gate is narrow, so there's only one way to the Father. There aren't, you know, it's not many roads lead to Rome, only one way, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, the biblical Christ. And then second, that the way is narrow in the sense that it's difficult. Difficult is the way. Like Pilgrim's progress, John Bunyan through many trials and tribulations, it's not a wide path and it's not an easy path. But then he says, you know, if we took that parable and tried to come up and say Jesus is giving us an idea of the percentage of people who will be saved, he said, well, we could do the same thing with the 10 virgins, five are wise, five are foolish, so five welcome in the bridegroom and five are left out where there's darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth, so I guess 50% of the human population will be saved. Like, that's just not the, that's just not what the parable's doing. But to answer your question, that the last thing I'll say, and I'll give it back to you, it's so gracious of you to let me come on. But the last thing that I'll say is just, you're right, we don't have to have a majority saved. And that's, I think, part of what I'm advocating for in some of my Christian nationalism discussions. Like, I've been going back and forth a little bit with great brothers who I love at G3, Josh Byte, Scott annual, some of those guys. And we don't quite see eye to eye, but what I'm trying to say is, on the one hand, we need revival, we need reformation, we need more regenerate hearts, we need more gospel preaching, faithful churches, Christians in the YouTube realm like you, because we got too few Christians, and then the Christians we have have just lame doctrine. We need some good biblical doctrine. On the other hand, we need that. So that's bottom up. Change is society, change is culture, when you have more regenerate hearts that know the Bible. But I think it's both. It's not just bottom up, but I think change also happens top down. And so I'll make this statement. I'm not trying to be provocative. I just want to use the biblical terms. The sodomites over the last 40 years, 40 years ago, with less than 3% of the population in America, it took them with less than 3%, but very strategic intentional plans in less than half of a century, they have effectively replaced the American flag with a rainbow. That's impressive for a minority group. That's, I mean, that's some huge change. And so what I want to say is, one, it can never be anything less than planting churches, preaching the gospel, doing the work of an evangelist, catechize your kids, have good healthy Christian marriages, and let's see more Christians and more doctrinally sound Christians. At the same time, to answer your question, there could be a minority of Christians and still experience a lot of cultural and political influence and change in the world, because what we see over and over, we're still being our sacred democracy, but you know and I know that really when it comes to the levers of power and change in a society and culture and government and politics, it's always been not a raw democracy and numbers majority, but rather political will. Every big change, whether it be civil rights, whether it be LGBT stuff, hopping on the civil rights, oh that includes us, no, it doesn't, but in every instance of American history, it usually was a minority group that was unified, strategic, and relentless, and they changed the nation, but I think a lot of Christians have this mentality, well, my kingdom is not of this world, right, which I would say, okay, but Jesus didn't say my kingdom's not in this world. He said it's not of this world, like he says the Gentiles, you know, they like to rule over you. So what he's saying is that number one, the source of my authority is otherworldly, it's from another kingdom, and I exercise authority in my kingdom, not like the Gentile lords, not in a domineering fashion, but he never says my kingdom's not in this world, so I think the kingdom is in the world, but it's a different kind of kingdom with a different source of authority, but it is a leavening mustard seed stone cut by no human hands going into a mountain that feels war, it is a world-changing kingdom and not just in the 17th dimension spiritually, but when there's spiritual, right, cultural war is spiritual war, it's a spiritual war, but true spiritual wars have cultural effects, so that, I don't know, that's my position in the picture. Well, let me offer some pushback when you brought up this passage, John 8, is it? 18, I'm sorry, when Jesus is speaking with Pilate, and let me go ahead, I want to put on the screen because I think that he really is speaking of literally this world, let me tell me if you disagree or why you disagree. Can you see that on your screen? Yeah. Okay, Pilate answered and says, I'm sorry, let's start in the verse 34. Yeah, no, 33, he says, are you king of the Jews? And he's speaking obviously now, and Jesus answered and says, are you saying this on your own initiative or did others tell you about me? Pilate answered and says, I am not a Jew, am I your own nation and the chief priest delivered you to me. What have you done? And Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews. Now, I can understand how you can come from with the answer of or from this world, but there's something he's going to say, I think in the Greek, that kind of makes it say that this is the world that he's speaking of, because he says, but as it is, my kingdom is not of, and then he says this realm. And so he says, Luke asked him in this word right here, at the new thing. And so this realm, so he says, is literally saying is from or in this realm. So it seems to me that he's saying, just the Greek of it, that my kingdom is not in this home here. And so it, because if he says if it was, if it were, then I would do, I could, I could, I could and would deliver myself, but I'm not so much concerned about this realm, because even all of the different political things that we have going on right here, politically and culturally, and I agree that we ought to, especially the degree of the person wants to be active and involved with what's happening here. I'd like for my kids to be able to go out on the streets and ride around on their bikes and so forth and not have to worry about some things like that. But some of the same perverse things that we see here in America and the rest of the world, these things were present in Jesus' day. There was slavery, there were legalized prostitution so forth. There was rampant homosexuality and so forth. And so Jesus, as far as we can tell, did not say, hey, we need to one, get a grip of society. The Jews expected him, as a matter of fact, many Jews expected that he would come and change the government, that he would be more of a political liberator, but he wouldn't. And so how then do we take that to say, since Jesus didn't do that then, that we should, that that's our command now? Where do we find the marching orders to say, we need to make the nation or the nations Christian? Yeah. Well, you know this, Cory, but just like the verse that you just quoted, how I would interpret that differently of my kingdom, not of this world versus in the world, the verse I'm going to throw back to you, you would interpret differently. Making disciples out of the nations was, so I would cite Matthew 28, the Great Commission, go therefore, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Triune God and teaching them to obey all my commands. So for me, I'm post millennial. I'm also a general equity theonomist. And so that would be in line with both the Westminster and the 1689. I'm Calvinist, so I'm reformed and hold to confessional reform theology on the Baptist side of the aisle. But all that being said, some of the commands that I would look at first, I would just say that Jesus, you know, behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, like he, like a lamb led to the slaughter, you know, like you silent before his accusers. Jesus' purpose in his first coming in the incarnation as earthly ministry 2000 years ago was very specific and it was to die. It was to die as a perpetuation for not only our sins, but the sins of the world, which I would take to be not only ours, the Jews, but the sins of all people from every tribe tongue nation who are elect in Christ Jesus. So all that being said, he had a very particular purpose. Like he even says, I could call down not just my servants, like disciples, human servants, but I could call down a legion of angels, which he might be referencing even in that text from John. Like my servants may even be angelic as well as just, you know, his human following.  But to answer your question, some of the texts, the Great Commission I would cite as discipling nations, teaching the nations, so Isaiah too. And again, you know, eschatology is just such a big factor in the way that you read the Scripture.  So like Isaiah too, you know, that the nations would flock to Mount Zion for out of your holy mountain comes your law. That it's not just individual Christians, but that a body politic, a nation has just laws that stem from the general equity of a biblical law, God's law. And that's what America has been. I mean, America has been so prosperous. And, you know, people want to rewrite history, the 1619 project and like, well, America is prosperous because of slavery. So a lot of nations had slaves. America, I think it was wrong, but America was prosperous despite its sin in ethnic partiality with slavery. But it was it was prosperous because of its commitment to the law of God. I mean, the book of Deuteronomy is cited more than anything else in some of the founding documents and all these things. So all that being said, my point is in terms of scriptural commandments to get involved and make it cultural change, tangible change, political change. I think part of what I've been thinking through is what do I tell members in my church who are on city council or who are police officers or who like, like what do you is our position that Christians shouldn't be in the military? You know that Christians just shouldn't be hold any office within the civil realm, the civil magistrate, no governor, no mayor, no city council, no Navy, no military, no police. Is that our position that Christians should not or if they do, what does it look like to live christianly in that vocation? Does the Bible have implications for them in their vocation or just at church and home? So what it would have to be is that whether I work for FedEx or the federal government, whether I work for the police department or I'm a hockey player, whether I'm in Texas or in Indiana, whether I'm in California or Florida, no matter where I am, no matter what I'm doing, I'm going to let my light so shine. Why? Because this is the picture that I see. I don't see us imagining us on a ship. I don't see us saving the ship. I see us trying to tread water as long as possible and keep the ship afloat as long as possible so that more would be saved. It's kind of like what God says that he's extending these days just so long so that the people can be saved. And so had he shortened the days, then people would, there'd be a lot of folks that would be lost. And so I think that what we're supposed to be doing is not patch up the Titanic as it's sinking and not go and get torches and so forth and start welding but start getting people off. Now we tread water as much as possible to keep the thing afloat to get people off. Let's try to enjoy it. Kind of a funny way of putting it. Enjoy it as much as possible but at the same time we're told that we are aliens and sojourners in this world. This is not ours. And so I take and see me, there are some aspects of Calvinism that I do hold to again I'll say this. Election is not Calvinism. Calvinists hold to election but they're not the only ones. And so but anyway but there are a lot of different things that Calvinists hold to that I also agree but I have a literal hermeneutic and so I have to take it how I see it unless I have a reason not to and so I believe in a literal thousand year. I don't have a biblical base as far as I can tell not to have a literal thousand year reign. That being the case I see that God's purpose is not to fix or save this world because there's never been a human leader throughout all of the world that has been they may have been godly but the nation self hadn't been godly. There's never been a time where a man could be or do what God could do. Remember we rejected God or I should say Israel did. Israel rejected God and they wanted a king like other nations and so guess what we got. And so I don't see that changing. I see it getting I think the world history shows that it's getting worse and we're told that it's going to get worse. You're thinking the last 2000 years like America's worse than Rome. Do I think that America is worse than Rome? Well I don't know that Rome had drag queens going to the schools for the kids. I don't think I don't I don't think that yeah listen I have seen some horrible things and I've seen them get worse. I seen us I see us right now we can all look and see right now. I see us sexualizing our kids. I see Christians doing that. I think it's okay. This is the style now. We've got these these these blinders on. Yeah I think what happens sometimes this is Joe is that we kind of think that our view is the only view. We kind of get locked in. Let me give you an example. I was talking to some people who were from Mobile Alabama. Beautiful city but Mobile Alabama. It's not New York City. It's not Dallas. Not Houston. It's not LA. And I asked them how big do they think to play? They thought it was a big city. So we've got at least $500,000 to $100,000. I said no you don't. Just go grab a nominac. And when they saw the numbers they were shocked. Why? Because they thought that their world was the world. And we do that sometimes as Americans. Not realize we are a small speck on the planet and we are if we got out into the streets and saw how bad it is we would think man. And so I think it's getting worse and worse. Remember God says that in the last days and he tells us how bad it's going to be and there's going to be this great falling away. That doesn't seem to work. Can I say something real quick about that text? Corey? So I think there's a few texts like that. But 2 Timothy chapter 3 is probably part of what you have in mind where men will go from bad to worse, deceiving and all these different things. That's one of the classic texts at 2 Timothy chapter 3. In the last days lovers of self glutton, disobedient to parents. But then the text goes on. I don't have my Bible in front of me right now. I've got the back. The text goes on and it says but they will not get very far. And I understand as a premillennial you're probably thinking because Jesus is going to come back and that's fine. You could be right. But what's interesting is it says but they will not get very far. It's funny. I love 2 Timothy 3. 2 Timothy 3 believe it or not that 1 Corinthians 15. Daniel 2. Isaiah 2. Isaiah 65. Matthew 13. But you wouldn't think it but 2 Timothy 3 was one of the prime like in the top 10 chapters of the Bible that made me post millennial which only happened you know three or four years ago. Because yeah, that's what I want to explain. So it goes. I just grabbed my Bible just so I can have it too. It says for among them. Well, I mean we could just do the beginning. So but understand this that in the last days it will come times of difficulty for people will be lovers of self lovers of money proud arrogant abusive disobedient to their parents ungrateful unholy heartless unappeasable slanderous without self-control brutal not lovers of good. Not lovers of loving good treacherous reckless swollen with conceit lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God having the appearance of godliness but denying its power avoid such people for among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women burdened with sins and led astray by various passions always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. And so 100 percent and I take that to mean that there will be that type of person and not just one individual but these type of people in every age every generation every place every culture every nation there's going to be people like this throughout this church age throughout this gospel age to the end into the age but then it goes on and it says verse seven now or verse eight just as Johnnyson Jamborets which were kind of like the two you know lead magicians the henchmen of Pharaoh if you remember with Moses he's combating you know it's the showdown you know with the staff and Moses you know it turns into a serpent and swallows up the other snakes and so they're having this combatant and some guys say it's smoking mirrors magic tricks but man the devil's real you know I think you know these guys were worshiping false gods I think they were doing I don't think it was just tricks or illusions I think by the power of demons they were performing signs but God was doing greater signs through Moses but Johnnyson Jamborets were like the two the two main dudes the two main you know demonic pagan magicians in Egypt under Pharaoh that Moses is combating and verse 8 says just as Johnnyson Jamborets opposed Moses so these men also opposed the truth men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith but they will not get very far for their folly will be plain to all as was that of those two men now you could say their folly will be plain to all they won't get very far because Jesus is going to come back relatively soon perhaps next Thursday and so they're not going to get very far that's that's one way you could do it but to be fair you know that my position would be that that they're not going to get very far because in God's mercy and providence rebellious ideologies and worldviews counter to the Christian faith they are they're like parasites they are they implode they're self-defeating and so I take this to mean that there's going to be men like Jonathan Chambers in every generation in every culture throughout the gospel age that oppose gospel preaching truth but it's like a nap trying to fly through Niagara Falls it's like hitting your head against a brick wall like you may be opposing that brick wall but that brick wall is going to win and that it's only a matter of time and so I feel like even with drag queen story hour and all this kind of like it's madness you're absolutely right absolute madness and for the record post millennialism we allow just like the stock market there are some dips along the way and sometimes some big dips and so I would say we're in a serious dip right now no doubt about it but the beauty is that I think that it reveals that the opposition they are self-defeating and they're not going to get very far and it says furthermore it says their folly will be plain to all I don't think that's just in the final coming of Christ but I think that the truth actually will beat them out in human history to where everyone on the sidelines will see oh these guys were foolish they were foolish but as it relates to us though as we read the passage it tells us though that we're also us the good guys are going to suffer persecution as a matter of fact it says all of us that's right who desire to live in Christ are going to suffer persecution so at some point and then Jesus himself says how it's going to be in the last days and so is it going to be the last days and they're going to get better because I'm looking at a wrath to come unlike as Jesus says that's never been seen nor will it have been seen that there's nothing like it and so how does that equate to it getting better how does that equate to this right how can Jonathan Jamboreys those guys be opposed is what you're saying and they're folly plain to all and yet at the same time there's a group of people who are persecuting Christians how can those two things happen simultaneously that's a good question and this you know this gets into a longer discussion and I'm just so glad that you had me on and I won't bore your listeners plus I can hear my girls screaming in the other room so I gotta go get dinner but what I would say the short answer is one thing that's difficult is with our hermeneutics and I know you disagree with me on this and you could be right but with our hermeneutics so not all post-millennials again but today most post-millennials most recent post-millennials in the last 50 years or so are what you would call pretorists pretorism just you know Latin past fulfilled and for the record I mean partial pretorists there are some hyper pretorists full pretorists that would deny even a final physical return of Christ which I would consider to be heresy not just wrong but heresy and so I'm not in that category but guys like RC Sproul he was a partial pretorist so I would just say for your listeners the last days according to Jesus you can find it on Amazon if you want to support the beast you know I'm just kidding but you know like it's on Amazon Prime or whatever you know but the last days according to Jesus is all on Matthew 24 and so some of that language last days language what's difficult is there's some that really I think deals with 2023 you and me and what we're dealing with right now but some of it I think deals with not the final judgment with Jesus final physical return at the end of the age but some of it deals with the local judgment over Israel in 8070 so just just the nutshell version for your listeners is most post millenials are partial pretorist pretorist meaning fulfilled all that means is that we don't believe every prophecy is fulfilled we're still looking for the final return of Christ and his promise but we do think that there are a lot of prophetic passages in the New Testament Matthew 24 the Olivet discourse being one of them that is was in that generation's future the people the immediate audience that Jesus is talking to but is in our past so the idea of what Jesus is saying not one stone will be left on another I tell it's in the same chapter the same context and then he starts talking about women woe to those who are in childbirth or with children during these times and a lot of Christians I know you want to do this Cory but a lot of Christians seriously have I mean you can look there are documented accounts of premillennial dispensational Christians that forewent marriage and forewent having children and like all because they were reading Matthew 24 and we're taking that literal approach and thinking again that these are the last days Jesus is coming back next Thursday so I'm not going to have kids I'm not going to do this I'm not going to do that but I would say that the partial predisposed post millennial would say that some of that last day language definitely with Matthew 24 but other New Testament texts as well not all of them so it depends which one but some of it was dealing with 8070 a local judgment over Israel and Josephus the last thing I'll say is Josephus that you know he wasn't a Christian but the the great you know Jewish historian he actually wrote that in 8070 he interviewed multiple eyewitnesses that were there that were able to escape and lived and he had a couple dozen accounts that they said you know as as Jerusalem was crumbling there was you know dust and fire and smoke in the sky it blotted out the sun that the sun was turned to blood red because of all the smoke and the destruction and and over over a couple dozen people told Josephus individually their account was that they saw like silhouettes like shadows and flashes of lightning and the shadows in the smoke in the clouds in the sky looked like chariots of fire so they believed that back and forth that was there was fulfilled then exactly and so that language coming on the clouds we forget coming on the clouds that Joel chapter two right so right after Pentecost Joel chapter two he's prophesying you know last days pour out my spirit on all flesh sons and daughters you know will prophesy and then Peter says at Pentecost this is the fulfillment of Joel chapter two well that's the first half of Joel chapter two the second half though is clouds and billows of smoke cloud language often in Isaiah and Joel chapter two is judgment language and so to me it makes sense and again I could be wrong but it would make sense that first half of Joel chapter two the fulfillment is at Pentecost the spirit being poured out second half of Joel chapter two is not Jesus final return to take his people to glory and a final judgment of the living and the dead the quick and the dead but actually the cloud signifying a local judgment of Israel that was fulfilled in this generation Jesus says this generation will not pass away 40 years later from from Pentecost give or take Jesus comes and brings judgment to the very same generation the very same people that rejected their Messiah that killed them so anyways all that being said that that would be one interpretation go ahead well a couple things and I know you said you're going to want to go deal with your daughters but I would in verse 21 it says there will be a great tribulation such as not occurred since the beginning of the world nor nor ever will I think we've seen worse tribulation than what we've seen even then I think there's been a lot more a lot worse things that will see however they they would even want to describe it name a war pick a war World War one to Vietnam I think we've seen worse I think we've seen greater atrocities and then when it gets down to about this generation seeing I think just the Greek grammatically speaks of it being at that point in time I mean that that particular generation that is going to see it not necessarily that at that time but let me ask you a question though let me let me ask you this question how okay so let's say let's say because we could go we could go for long I know you said you want to go before you go I want to ask you I want to ask you a question so let's say we we get to the point to where we are I guess experiencing this this Christian Christianizing or Christian influenced government my question then is this who's leading the government me no I'm just kidding well the reason and you'll be told you'll be told isn't that kind of how everyone kind of imagine not necessarily they themselves although they would sell the job yeah but someone like them you're right because okay for example let's say let's say now now some women would would would be upset with with with with with with with Joel's take on how women should be you know how the role of the woman going forward right the whole issue of the right the voting and not voting there'd be some women that like you know what nope I don't oh you heard that Cory oh yeah you heard that huh listen all right hey I got a fan Cory watches my stuff when I told listen I'm a I'm a subscriber I am a subscriber what's funny is I listen to you I listen to uh to uh James White I listen to Layton Flowers I listen to a lot of stuff because I recognize that I might not have it all though I'm probably closest to all the people on YouTube who do have it I'm kidding I'm kidding but there would be a lot of women who would say wait a second wait a second wait a second that kind of Christian nationalism or that kind of theonomy that I'm I'm no not not me because uh I mean I'm I do have the the clip queued up for others I may play later but then there are others who are also Christian who lean a little a little to the left what a see what if what if what if these I'll play this clip for you what if these Christians maybe not in this country but let's say in Canada or another country are leading government these kind of Christians when grandpa was authentically pro-life then they would immediately abolish the death penalty if they were really pro-life then they would put more money into head start programs if they were pro-life they would seek to cure the opiate addiction in this nation if they were pro-life they would make sure that teachers feel safe in their schools and so my my point is what's going to happen if we had that right what's Christian is going to be subject to whoever who's ever in charge and then what ends up happening is we end up getting a government we end up getting a nation just like the one we have because we had that before we had bad people who call themselves Christians who saw things a certain way who saw the government should be Christian in this way not Christian in that way are you with me Christian in okay fine slavery we have slavery in the bible you can be Christian have slaves now or like he said Christians who are for spending money over here for head start for you name it right something we probably wouldn't agree with but he's a Christian I think our money should uh oh I lost I lost I lost Joel hold on one second guys sorry about that but Christians I don't know what happened sorry our our Christian money our government money should go to support this our government money should go to fund you got me Corey yeah yeah can you hear me yeah I can hear you sorry about that that's no problem no but I hear you it's a good point I what I would say I gotta go unfortunately but what I would say is sometime I would love to do an episode you could come on my show or I could come on whatever you want but um you get a chance I know you're probably busy but if you get a chance did did you hear that we came out with that we we definitely upset some people but our our statement I was one of the editors on the statement on Christian nationalism in the gospel did you hear about that no I didn't okay so we just came out with a statement because obviously I mean you've got Christian nationalists that are straight up racists you've got Christian nationalists like Margie Taylor Green you know God bless her heart you know but I would be a different breed you know Christian nationalists so part of what the G3 brothers that I I so respect and and we agree on 90 you know 95% of our doctrine part of their complaint and it was valid was they were just saying you guys you know we can't just get in a twitter war like you guys need to be clear define your position because you're saying well he doesn't represent me he doesn't so anyway so me me and a group of guys we got together and and and put together it's 20 affirmations and 20 denials now we got in trouble because it wasn't my decision but one of the guys said let's use G3 the same font in color scheme that they did on this the statement on social justice in the gospel which I don't think was a good move it wasn't my decision and we changed it we changed it but initially we dropped it like that in Josh Bice it was funny you know he was like are you guys kidding me you know and he was upset and I and I get it I kind of get it you know anyways and I said I think you appreciate this Corey I said I long for a day when a statement can be judged on the character of its content and not the color of its font you know what I mean anyways you know and people were cracking up but anyways the point is it's a good statement it's it's a draft version we're still working on it but part of it it deals with that question you're asking is alright if it's a Christian nation great but who's in charge who defines Christian yeah who defines Christian that's what it comes down to so you know the short answer is trying to be creedle not confessional a broad pan Protestant movement and so it's a little complex I'd have to I'd have to you know we'd have to have a longer form conversation but that I just want to agree with you that that is an incredibly valid question because at the end of the day you know if Adolf Hitler's in charge and he and he says he's a Christian and he's going to define what Christian means then we're no better than then you know in a secular you know so it obviously matters but Corey thank you so much for having me on brother this is so kind we didn't do this again we will thank you I'll talk to you later God bless to all of you God bless you brother that was good that was good it's hard especially since we didn't kind of prepare for this to kind of have you know questions and so forth how we're going to go whatever but my biggest issue and it'd be difficult to go into why he sees things a certain way versus why I see things a certain way again I say it always boils down to our our hermeneutics I have I take a literal grammatical hermeneutics let me just let me go over some things that I that I I thought about and by the way this whole issue of Matthew 24 see some people see the exact same passage and see it as for that time I see it as matter let me put it on the screen as a matter of fact let's go to Matthew 24 14 and let's go there wait a second I took my dog on thing off hold on one second hold on hold on dog on it hold on what I have to do what hold on what did I just do I had to set this up so that I could let me just do it let me just do it why you guys are right here let me go ahead and add this on and then go ahead and add me on you know what no I won't I'll leave it like it is I'll leave it like it is and Matthew 24 14 says this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations and the end will come well here's the problem with that being necessarily at that time one it hadn't been preached to all nations so it would be difficult to say that this what Jesus is getting ready to say is for that time because at that time the gospel hadn't been preached all matter of fact at this time guess what hadn't been preached period the gospel now a few a few years after that we're going to see the gospel kind of taken off but it's still kind of centralized to that particular region we don't see the gospel growing or at that point preach to all the nations now could it be that we're talking about just different types of nations if you want to look at it in in in that regard but I don't think that it is because of because of how it's written it's it's it's pasantoisal is it's to all of the nation so this would be to me to all more than just what we saw there more than just Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria just that little central locale but continually continuing on it says therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel guys I do not believe that that has taken place yet I do not believe that that has taken place yet if we had more time we don't we can cover some of the prophecies that Daniel gave as well as what we see in in in Jeremiah as well as Isaiah as well as Zachariah and so forth we don't have that kind of time but I think and this is one of the places where where where Joel and and I would disagree I see a distinction between Israel and the church and I think that God has a specific plan for Israel and the church before I deal with Matthew let me go to where is it at let me go to Romans Paul makes this statement he says for I do not want you to be ignorant brethren to be uninformed of this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come now he's not speaking of some spiritualized Israel he's speaking of the actual nation of Israel not some spiritualized group but the actual nation of Israel and remember remember the Bible says God says that as long as these sees and waves and these seasons are around Israel will never cease to be a nation before God so Israel is going to be a nation before the Lord all right with me and so that hadn't changed and what is he going to do with Israel well look what he says he says and so all Israel will be saved just as is written the deliverer will come from Zion and he will remove ungodliness from Jacob well this ungodliness from Jacob refers back to what he is going to do to Jacob or to Israel specifically he is going to deal with Israel there's a spirit of stupor that's been given over Israel there's a partial hardening and when will this hardening go away the writer says Paul says when the fullness of the Gentiles is coming so when he's through dealing with the Gentiles by and large once he's through with them then he's going to turn his attention to Israel why because he says Israel will always be a nation before me forever he has not forgotten about them why has he not forgotten about them not because they're wonderful not because they're so great because of as he says all throughout the Old Testament because I will not forget the promise or the covenant that I made with Abraham Isaac and Jacob you guys are really not that special matter of fact you're horrible people but I made a promise not based on anything that you've done or can do or will do but because of me because and even every Calvinist will agree with this his sovereignty remains of of utmost importance above all else what do we say above all else God is sovereign and so if he's determined that he is going to save Israel he is going to save Israel what did Israel do they began going after other gods now when they did so what did God say well you're trying to make me jealous I'll make you jealous by making a people who are not my people I'll call them my people and make you jealous and so what is he doing he's doing just that try preaching Christ to a bunch of Jews you're gonna have a problem they do not like the name they have a disdain for him and so the time is going to come which is why we look in Isaiah 53 why the words are in past tense they're gonna look back and say that Jesus was bruised for our the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him and and so then they can say by his stripes we are healed so he's going to have a specific focus on Israel but in the meantime he's dealing with us and so that plays into how I read the scriptures I have a little hermeneutic and so I go back to Matthew 24 he says so therefore when you see the abomination desolation spoken of which I think is literal then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains well guess what we still did not see guys we have not seen those in Judea at that time fleeing to the mountains verse 17 whoever's on the house top must not go down to get the things that are in the house top whoever's in the field must not go back to get his cloak but what are those who are pregnant and those who are nursing babes in those days look what he says though verse 21 drop to 21 he says for then there will be a great tribulation such as not occurred since the beginning of the world until now nor ever will be now this nor ever will be if you're going to tell me what happened in 7 AD horrible was that the worst no it's not no it's not the bloodshed that you see and the destruction that you saw in 7 AD pales in comparison take world war two globally and specifically to the jews you haven't seen that and the bible tells it's going to get worse we think though and because that's what we want to do though the natural tendency the natural tendency is for us to think that we had it bad you know some of us older folks do you young folks y'all haven't had it bad like we had it bad yeah we had to we had to walk up hills to go to school we had to walk five miles uphill both ways in three inches of snow or i'm sorry three feet of snow we always make it as though we had it bad and then we've overcome it but then if we ask someone who's older than us ask our grandparents and he'll tell me young whippersnapper you ain't seen nothing we didn't even have we didn't even have toilet tissue we didn't even have an outhouse we had a hole in the ground and then their grandparents was tapping on well wait a second wait a second wait a second so now everybody wants to kind of see things in their own eyes but i can promise you this one thing as bad as it was then it hadn't gotten bad bad it i mean hadn't it it's it's we've seen far worse but let's continue he says unless those days have been cut short no life would have been saved but for the sake of the lek the lek those days which should be cut that hadn't happened guys that just hadn't happened then if anyone says you behold here is the christ or there he is do not believe him for false christ and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead people even the elect behold i've told you in advance so if they say to you behold he is in the wilderness do not go out behold he's in the inner rooms do not believe them for just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west so will the coming of the son of man be well the son of man did not come during that time guys the son of man did not come during that time you cannot take bits and pieces of it the son of man did not come at that time but he and he's connecting the dots here that when this happens the son of man is about to show up let's continue but immediately after the tribulation of those days the son will be darkened and the moon will not give its life you know we can actually we can go and look as an astronomer and look and see did that ever happen maybe there was an eclipse or something like that well that hadn't happened there is and I understand what he's saying about what Josephus might have written but no one else is saying that the sun was darkened and the moon didn't give his life no one says that right so let's continue by the way if it's going to happen like that there's going to be a lot of people that are going to testify it and verse 30 and then the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky did the son of man appear in the sky at that time no and I don't know why he talked about Darby people act like like like like Darby came up with this remember guys we we've covered this before that this belief this view predates Calvinism that 1689 confession that you may have predates that John Bale 1495 to 1563 that predates Calvinism guys so and I've covered some other people in the past who have written about it those up to or around the founding of the church so that being okay but listen that's fine the issue is the issue is guys that disagree tell me in the text tell me in the text am I wrong the son of man didn't show up in 7080 let's continue and then the son the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming in on the clouds of the sky with power and when did that happen answer never when did that happen never and he will send forth his angels with the great trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from the end of the sky to another now if we drop down to verse 34 truly I said to you this generation will not pass away until all these signs take place now some will take this and he's talking about that generation at the time of Jesus speaking no this generation when these things happen is the this generation that that that that that flows from the what the this is referring to the antecedent of this is not all the way back at Jesus's day he's speaking the antecedent is what's happening at that moment are you with me now here's the question and this is now by the way I am I disagree with Joel and and and and the on them and the on them is to a degree but I hope they're right I hope they're right because what I think that Christians ought to be doing I well see again though I'm not I'm not you I have some dispensational leanings but I'm not dispensationalist I'm not I'm not dispensationalist what I am I'm Corey because I don't want to hold to see what happens is guys 69 and all you other folks those of you who hold to a particular confession or a denomination or doctrine what happens is what I believe is right what you believe is right what she believes is right to us who raise your hand if you think that you're wrong nobody does I I think I'm right now if you show me I'm wrong then fine then whatever you show me I was wrong I'll believe that and I'll be right again so we all think that we're right but if you start holding to these different doctrinal positions 1689 confession or Westminster or whatever guess what you're not going to do you are not going to want to leave off of that it will have to it will take an angel from heaven to come and punch in the mouth that's how we do and so for this this way I'm not beholding any of this stuff there are some dispensations I like I don't see it that way I disagree some Calvinists I disagree I mean I disagree you know what you can do you can have a play a game with people on YouTube and play what is what is Corey is he Calvinist no is he provisioned someone asked are you provisions no are you our minute no are you dispensational no now I have a dispensational hermeneutic that's different than being dispensationalist but that being the case I'm going to hold myself strictly to the scriptures why because God didn't think we're that smart God didn't think that we're that we're not and if we recognize that that makes us smart Christians but the Bible tells us this he keeps warning us about latter times for example the Bible says but the spirit explicitly says that in latter times some will fall away from the faith now in these latter times in these latter times won't that coincide with a Christian nation or Christian nations or will the latter times happen after these Christian nations by the way by the way do we have more or less Christian nations now and when I say Christian nations I mean nations that call themselves Christian they may not be Christian and all they do but at least call themselves Christians how many nations did we have in the past maybe 50 years ago maybe 100 years ago that call themselves Christian nations we had a lot we had a lot guys virtually every western country or nation called itself Christian be it Italy France Germany America the United Kingdom South America a lot of what not all but a lot of countries in South America a lot of countries in Africa we've had these so-called Christian nations before we have a lot less now and a lot less and a lot less by the way what happened so I would be hesitant to think that it would even work because again if we have a Christian nation who's the Christian that is going to follow I was going to lead us now you know what let me let me be the the Christian president right now because I don't see God coming back and building off of what we have that's why he says his his straight his government is not in this world but he tells us about us in first Peter 2 11 he says but beloved I'm sorry to move this out of the way I'll replace order beloved I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lust which wage war against the soul keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles so that in the thing in which they slander you as evil doers they may excuse me I'm sorry they may because of your good deeds as they observe them glorify God in the day of visitation but look what he calls us beloved I urge you as aliens and strangers that's us we are aliens and strangers this ain't no world this is not our world and so he calls us aliens and strangers for a good reason we don't live here we live here as Paul says we are in the world but we're not of the world this is not us and it won't be us that's why when he comes back he is going to do you know who's going to come and take over this earth do you know who wants to build on top of the world governmental foundation not Jesus no the lawless man he wants to do that he wants to be the one that people look to and say yeah listen lead us he won't be he won't be Christian that's for sure he won't be Christian that's for sure but when Christ comes back to reign there won't be a legislative branch there won't be a judicial branch there won't be an executive branch it'll just be him it'll just be him leading before that time comes there's going to be this falling away what's going on there are things that are going to proceed his reign which I think if I'm having a literal reading nullifies the possibility of a Christian nation or nation that's ran by Christians because again you pick the Christian that gets this kind of power that will act like a Christian we just don't see it do we you give me listen make me the president I think I'm a Christian I think I'm a pretty good Christian I think I'm I think I love the Lord I know I love the Lord but I don't want it I don't want it you know why the first time any one of you Christians get out of line the first time man core you you hit kind of and well listen gotta go gotta go he shouldn't have said it right the power listen it is going to go to your head think about David God is choosing this man a man of God's own choosing and what does he do what think about Solomon giving all that wisdom and look what so what's going to happen if we've got a Christian leader of this country and what about the Christian leader in Mexico and then the Christian leader in France and then the Christian leader in China and then the Christian leader in Guatemala Haiti has to have a Christian leader all the all of them are going to be godly no it's not going to happen it's not going to happen what will they do the same thing the others who call themselves Christians are going to do they will they will take the power for themselves they will mislead people and Christ will be on the amen Kelly they're going to sell out that's what human beings do you need so remember Paul needed Paul needed a thorn in the flesh sent to him and I say by God a thorn in the flesh and a messenger sitting above him to keep him humble to keep this is Paul to keep him humble why because it will go to your head it will go to your head that's why he's now we have this warning about the last is there a positive affirmation in the bible is there something positive that's going to happen where the find a place in the bible where it says the latter times the latter days and then something good now I might be wrong so you guys you intelligent Christians is there a place in the bible where you can think of where it says in the last days it's going to be great that's what I want to know now we're told that the godly shall suffer persecution we're told that in the last days that people will not endure sound doctrine and they're gonna want to have so if they're gonna if they if they're not gonna endure sound doctrine all these things and why do we think it's going to be good now Joel matter of fact I want to play this and this is not this isn't a swipe at joe but but some of you ladies gonna be mad at joe I get where he's coming from but but Joel I'm sorry I'm sorry joe but let's say we find by the way I appreciate I appreciated Joel coming on I really did that I thought that was wonderful and so let's say and Joel Joel I think is in his 30s so he can if this if this works out he can be the leader of the country or he can help to install the the godly government but now but then we hear what Joel's gonna say to you ladies and I'm wondering what you think about women having the right to vote since men lead the home and men should be the governing authorities then should women have part in deciding the direction of society thanks josh appreciate that one Josh is like I got him I you know now he's gonna have to be controversial yeah I've said this before so I don't mind saying it again no I don't think women should vote I think that women's suffrage has done more for women's suffering than almost anything else women's suffer because of women's suffrage and and this is you talk about data and those kinds of things you can look it up I tweeted it recently but you can look it up 2016 election results somebody did some kind of you know they posted a map of the U.S. and all the states and which way they went blue or red and the electoral vote and what it would have been and they did it by subtracting all of the male votes what would the outcome have been the design increase now he by the way you can take the same thing and say let's say Joel means well but then someone else comes along and says yeah matter of fact Joel to make sure this doesn't happen everybody else that voted the wrong way or for this particular party what if we applied the same to them because do you know who voted even more so overwhelmingly for let's say for Clinton in 2016 and not for Trump blacks the same standard yeah we can't trust you black folks we would go from being black to colored real quick I'm just kidding but yeah so what if someone says you know what matter of fact on top of that you women ought to do this you women can't work what now he doesn't mean that but somebody can take it to its natural progression you've heard the an object in motion tends to stay in motion so you keep moving along keep moving this we're going back we're doing this we're doing that now his point was because women were were deceived in the garden yeah but men sin so what what does that say about us we would intentionally we we would intentionally send them that's the problem that's the problem and but because it deceived doesn't mean they can't make any decisions remember it was what is her name Abraham's wife who said get rid of that woman it was that woman who said get rid of that woman so it doesn't mean that women didn't have a a can't make a decision and again I played I played this earlier what if a certain type of Christian what if a more liberal leaning Christian was leading the nation what what if what if one of these guys got in pro-life there will be stiff stricter measures about gun control in this nation if it was pro-life we would not have to deal with food insecurity we got a now that's pretty bad you you don't you don't want him that Christian guy leading the nation do you or what about this one that encounter lies with truth I think that's what I'm preaching about tonight so let's look at mica chapter six mica chapter six and there in mica chapter six please do on your quiet moments read those first eight verses but due to the length of passage limitations on time I want to share with you mica chapter six verse eight and I'm going to read in your hearing from the Freddie Haynes remix of the 11th century vowed a Hebrew Masoretic text in the remix it reads God has shown you how to live your blessed life these are the requirements God wants you to construct a world of justice now for him a word of justice is social justice now I know who this guy is so I know what he what he literally means so what if he gets in what if what if what if his sort of brand of christianity which by the way he's not but who we're going who is going to determine what's christian there in lies a problem who's going to or what if the guy says he's christian look like he's a christian coming to find out he's not what do we do then would you say God's design was male represented that's fine but can women have a say so in that in terms of our national leaders this is where it gets tricky and again we don't see God stating this it should not be that much of a mystery what God has determined what God has determined should be pretty pretty pretty clear and I know you said that okay but the bible disagrees with these false teachers problem is though all of us don't disagree with them all of us as christians don't disagree with who's a false teacher there are some christians who are just deceived and not just the female males too males get deceived also and so how do we determine who's who is going to determine who is a false teacher who's going to determine who's a christian therein lies the problem guys by the way before I forget before I forget let me thank some of you guys for these super chats per view thank you so much oh you have a question I'll get to your question second prime 66 thank you and Michael LeMay you said no worse covenant I mean no worse tribulation than the end of the covenant I'm not sure what you mean by that you say Colossians 1 23 the gospel was preached to the whole world okay well let's go to Colossians 1 23 let's go to Colossians 1 23 and let's see if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established that fast and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard which was proclaimed in all creation under the heaven and of which I Paul was made minister so are you telling me that all of the gospel all of all of the world was was evangelized at this point in time historically that that is that is a factually inaccurate statement because that's that's not the truth that is not the truth that at this point in time in Colossians the gospel had not been preached to out all the world matter of fact let's go to what we have let's put this on the screen and then we can see when when was Colossians written anyone see Colossians was written in 63 AD so no the gospel hadn't been preached to all the world in 63 AD so now not not yet not yet but again listen guys God can ask you guys a question thank you absolute truth I appreciate that thank you for the super chat can ask you guys a question does God trust man would you all agree that God does not trust man God doesn't trust us so when he's coming back to set his kingdom and his kingdom is not here it's it's in us but not here he's not trusting us with anything to do it you can you can participate you can celebrate but you ain't ruin and when he says we're going to rule with him he doesn't mean that we take part in the decision make it no we'll just be there he does not mean that we are going to take part and you know why because I can't trust you I can't trust you on a job I can't trust you with your marriage I can't trust you in your business I cannot trust you so therefore it's about me and I say me not me Corbett me as in Jesus yeah so you're kind of red can't trust it wow you go back you're kind of red let's be serious you're kind of red you and your hair messing stuff up but throughout the scriptures he's constantly telling us how it's going to be no you don't have to be don't do that don't do that you have to be somebody to make me live no but I just don't listen guys I'm not just bringing on any and everybody you know why because we did that in the past we used to bring on any and everybody and sometimes it it would get away from me so I know how Joel handles himself he's a pastor I've seen him handle himself and so I would I don't with all due respect harvest I don't know you well enough to know that you wouldn't come on and just couldn't handle yourself I don't know that so don't don't take it personally maybe the time will come again while I while I open up again and let folks come back on why do you say I don't I don't take a literal understanding of that text which which text are you are you talking about Mr. Gaines I'm not sure which text you're talking about I'll look for you I'll look tell me again tell me okay he harvested I'm just teasing yeah C rock smooth he came on and I wanted I wanted to get on a plan and go so you have to and then we had a lady that came on also who said what she said the what what did she say the Bible was written by the Illuminati something weird so it was just like oh Lord why is she on it oh the the ruling with price because just grammatically you don't take it as that way you don't take it as as as us together right I'm taking a I'm driving I'm driving down the road with my wife that didn't mean that me and my wife were both driving are with me and so just grammatically speaking just the way it's written you wouldn't take that as we're ruling with him together but guess what even if you want to take this ruling fine that's still him sitting on at the at the head him on the throne him telling us what's happening or do we think that we're going to bias him Jesus I you know what Jesus I see what you're getting at Lord I really do but follow me follow me Jesus see if you can understand what I'm what I'm what I'm getting at and see if this wouldn't be better that's not going to happen it's not going to happen it's his rules it's his world he is exactly he's he's still driving he is telling us we will you don't want to say yes amen yes Lord that's how it's going to work because again guys we've got 6,000 plus years history of us doing us of us leading we've got it with the Holy Spirit in us we've got it with miraculous signs over us in front of us all of these different examples we even have an example of us trying to lead when sin hadn't come into the world when it's just one man and his naked wife and what happens just mess up thank you Trina Adams if you don't learn anything about human beings first of all first of all the bible will give you a clear indication about how bad we are but you don't need the bible to see how bad we are how corrupt we are again he says the heart is desperately wicked now yes we have the Holy Spirit in us but even Paul says with the Holy Spirit the good that I want to do I don't do the bad I want to stop doing I continually do when is that going to change well when that's going to change is when we take we get a glorified body and we've got a master ruling over us where do I put the temple destruction then and the Jews coming back that was just to be a scouring of the Jews can you let me ask you guys a question do you remember when Jesus shows up to the disciples and says that you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem Judea and Samaria absent persecution in Acts 1-8 where did they evangelize where did they go witness where did these spirit field Christians Peter knows guys where do they go evangelizing where do they go witnessing to did they go witnessing preaching in Jerusalem Judea Samaria and to the rest of the world no they didn't no they didn't they didn't start evangelizing or preaching the gospel the rest of the world until persecution came in the name of Paul Saul so the more persecution happens the more we spread out and take the gospel with us every time in human history and so there's now has God given us every single detail about what's going to happen know he had but he's told us some things he's told us that what you're going to do with Israel unless we think now you would have to think that Israel is not part of the plan now I don't know do you all believe that Israel is not part of the plan if you do we got some talking to do do you that's just a question though seriously though because maybe there's some guys here now do any of you all think that Israel is not part of God's plan I mean the nation writ large as Israel not everybody that's Jewish not all of Israel but do you think that God has a plan specifically for Israel do you think that they're no longer part of God's plan he's moved on I'm curious do any of you all believe that because we got some scriptures that makes us scratch our head wait a minute Israel's got to and Israel's funny here's here's there's we know for a fact that part prime time there's going to be at least 144,000 that will that he's going to be dealing with Israel would you say the physical seat of Israel of Abraham not well then we got a problem then we got a problem because you can't make Romans 9, 10, 11 fit then because Paul is literally talking he's he's contrasting these so called what you guys will call spiritual Israel or Abraham's spiritual descendants with his physical descendants he says I wish I could be a curse for my countrymen Israel my other flesh of the flesh my kin Israel he's not talking about a spiritual Israel because he says later on he talks about a partial hardening has come upon them until the fullness of the Gentiles has come well wait a second well who are the Gentiles then if if if Israel is spiritual Israel first of all when were they hardened if if we're spiritual Israel that means that we've been hardened that's nothing no that's not the case you got a whole lot of back flipping and jumping around and going through a few hoops to to to eliminate Israel they are God has a plan for them remember God has stated what did you think he mean when he said I'm going to make Israel jealous for the people who are not my people what does that mean that means you're going to take these Gentiles and make Israel jealous that has been stated in the past and he means to do exactly what he said he's going to do so so we're going to do some more in the real near future about someone asked about the 70 weeks I'll cover that again I'll cover prophecies regarding Israel we'll move more into the end times someone says but I think I saw someone ask me do what I have a problem with Christian nationalism in and of itself no first of all it couldn't be any worse than what we have and I'm not talking about the real extreme Christian nationalist those who like you know got to have a lot Jesus on in the White House no that's not what I'm talking about that's you know but guess what it can lead to that think about this for a second guys I guess because you Americans think that you're better that you I'm not American right now I'm a let me ask you guys a question how many generations after David did this man selected leadership did the wheels fall off we got a man who got selects that being David how many generations after that did it all fall apart so less than two generations after that three generations maybe had to depend on how you're how you're numbering it fell apart we get the we get these ungodly kings these ungodly leaders then well if it happens then what will happen here in America same thing no it's I wouldn't say it's cold for MAGA no I wouldn't I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that because a lot of folks who are who are for Christian nationalism or for theotomy who abhor Trump there are a lot there are a lot of people who you know what it's time for Trump to go by the wayside there are some folks who still love Trump a lot of folks love Trump because of who we have an office right now it is what it is some folks were yeah you know what because let's be honest guys let's be honest most of you folks now you'll say so but looking back then you weren't I like Trump I don't want to be a president a lot of folks like that so but now I don't think that this is what a lot of Christian nationalists are looking for I don't think so for make America great again I don't think they're looking that's what they mean by that they just want a nation where by the way this make America great again stuff Trump did not come up with that he did not Obama said the same thing and where'd he get it from from Ronald Reagan and it wasn't a dog whistle it wasn't cold for something race or anything like that no think about what as a matter of fact we're going to talk about this real soon guys we're going to have fun we're going to divide everybody up in teams it's going to be fun we're going to divide everybody up in teams we're going to have different groups we're going to have those that were born in 2000 or the 2000s we're going to have the people that were born in the 90s those that were born in the 80s those that were born in the 70s 60s and earlier and we're going to have some fun and we're going to just start to think about what people think how they view things I can promise you those folks maybe in the 40s but definitely in the 50s definitely in the 60s we're going to start saying well what do we want to return to because yeah it wasn't as opening so forth maybe in the 70s like man I'd go back to the 70s in a minute it was fun I knew listen mama knew where I was and I knew where mama was I knew where daddy's going right I can walk down the street and if anybody mess with me I'm going to be safe nobody's going to jump on me so when they say make it make it great again they're talking about that you know just where your kids can go outside and play and so forth when yeah you can smoke cigarettes and you're going to get your lungs are going to turn to dirt but yeah no problem go ahead and smoke if you got them we used to my mother and father used to smoke cigarettes my father should not have done so because he died of lung he had lung cancer but cool in the game but do you know they used to drive the car smoking cigarettes with the windows up I'm sitting in the car just inhaling secondhand smoke I'm sucking it up and blown and exhaling the smoke got myself that's how it was and so are there some things that we learned that were better yeah but just how people just were in general folks hated you then but guess what people hated people hate you now they hated you a hundred years ago five hundred years ago but people just want a nation where we have some godly sense how we're gonna legislate legislate that yeah it was more in the 90s how do you the thing is there's two things that make people act right and only one of them really works something within and something without something from within and something from without something on the inside and something on the outside on the inside the Holy Spirit the Lord on the outside on the outside somebody with a gun somebody that'll beat you yeah so what's gonna do that well everybody's not gonna have the Holy Spirit so Team Nickelodeon listen you say Team Nickelodeon but some of you young folks don't know where Nickelodeon started yeah back in the day when Nickelodeon was good when you have what was it you can't do that on television and you had those what was the one with the the kids in the in the dining hall or the or the diner and they were and the and the cook's name was Barf I remember that anyway but no guys I don't I don't think that we ought to have a look to have a we should look to Christianize our nation if we can find but that can't be our goal our goal needs to be our goal needs to be not a Christian nation that won't work what you first must have is a you know Ricky you can't do that on television what we need to have rather than a Christian nation is a Christian neighborhood start with that you guys are concerned about the people that are over the traffic lights and the stop lights and the paved streets why don't you worry about your neighbor it is your neighbor across the street are they on there where they having have you have you given them the gospel found out their spiritual state that's the more important thing but before we even do that make sure before you leave your door folks inside the confines of your house that they understand the gospel and then the people in your neighborhood your neighbor your neighborhood and then the streets do that because I promise you if we focus more on that how did we get how to Constantine the emperor of how did he become a Christian Barfburg that's what it was Carl how did that happen they did not intentionally go out to let's just make a Christian nation though you know the nation the government hates us but they began evangelizing their neighbors and then eventually somebody evangelized him now was his heart right don't know but the point is that's how it works that's not what we're trying to do now but if we did that if we did that if the police officers were all Christian at the fire department if the hospitals if the lawyers if the what if what if the would be criminals were Christian if we began to evangelize the guy that would if he didn't have Christ's heart would end up becoming an axe murderer but he has Christ's heart so now he's a dentist that's what we should be doing guys that's what we should be doing and so no I'm not after trying to make the federal government Christian I would love I would listen I will I hope I'm wrong and I would love to see it happen but that's not what's gonna happen the love of many shall wax cold the love of many and because Christ is here he is like he says gonna turn mothers against daughters fathers sons against fathers he's turning us against each other because there are people who just don't want to have him as their Lord are you with me so guys I want to thank you all so much that was pretty good did not expect Joe to come on I man listen praise God for Joe coming on he was a good sport I wish we could have had it set up better to where you know we would have know what we're gonna talk about and just kind you know just had more time but I'm glad for that we're gonna do more of this stuff but what was funny was I was literally going to reach out to him in the next day or so so but we'll see if we can get something later on I've got some more guests that are lined up and being lined up and then I am going to guys let me just say this I am going to have at least at least one more time where I'll put the link out and let you guys come on and we'll have a conversation you can come and tell me why I'm horrible this way we'll be able to see your face so yep yep I'm gonna reach out to him as a matter of fact 1689 I am going to reach out to him there are some things that I agree with him on and there's some things and no listen listen your issue because let's be honest though but can we be honest if Calvin is held to one part of Tula what would it be the one thing they would if they could hold to one thing it would be it would be election it would be the you and I hold to that so Ursula here I am born in the 70s that's when that's when cool was cool today's cool is not cool yeah today's today's cool is weird today's cool is just weird just cool today is super soft I listen I don't think I don't think they would hold it totally deprived I don't think that that'd be their main thing so anyway anyway guys I love you so much it is time to leave we are two hours in I only want to be on for an hour but here's the good news on your way out you have the awesome pleasure of listening to this as you leave amen