I'm like 50% lucid, but not quite. Mine is usually not math class. It's usually like two classes in my schedule that I just stopped showing up for. And often it is a class that I did that in college. I ended up dropping it, but I like stopped showing up and then just dropped it because I couldn't fit it in my schedule anymore. I'm trying to, it was a media communications class, like on the history of communications or something. And it was taught by a professor named Merit. A class with Merit. Did you do the secret handshake that got you the? No, I introduced myself the first day of classes. Oh, my name is Merit too. And he was like, okay, is there something else you need? And I'm like, man, you Merits are jerks. Maybe he could ask us like, oh no. All right, so folks who are watching the video, Rich Trafalino is here to keep an eye on the possibly non-existent Microsoft announcement. We actually have some news, Tom. Oh, good. Okay, good. Hold it for the show. We'll get to it in a few minutes. It looks like Surface Pro 6. Is that what you're saying? Way to steal my thunder, Tom. All right, all right, all right, all right. But no, the real thunder is pre-show. What are you wearing? This is something that accentuates the lack of definition in my arms. It's called a Zozo suit. And what this is, is basically it's a motion capture suit. If you see here, oh wait, the camera's up here. It has individual markings kind of to let, give reference points on balls with dots on them. Yeah. Yes. And so you set up a camera on a little stand and then you turn around, it takes pictures of you in a 360 fashion. You can see here, it even has sweet cuffs from my hands.  And so yeah. This is like a full, like a onesie. This is a shirt with accompanying pants that are just as form-fitting, so I kept my jeans on. Which made you feel really great when you're taking those pictures. And this is a beta, they sent this to me. I mean, they were doing it for like 10,000 people or something like that. And it's either a beta test to get you to get 3D measurements and all that good stuff. Or it's a hideous prank that will see me featured.  So yeah, but this is, it's a little muck. So an audio listeners imagine, Rich will be wearing that through this entire show. And oh, does not breathe. Do you have to return it? They didn't say so and judging by how quickly you sweat in it, I hope they don't. It did come with washing in directions which I don't know who's wearing this more than once. But the real question is, do you think someone wore it before you did? I really hope so because I'd like to feel closer to people, Patrick. Well, I was like, Patrick, you bring up a very interesting point. I wash all my clothes I buy before I wear them. Like just in case. Minute to show time. This had a really great chemicals smell when I took it out of the bag. So I knew it was safe and put it on right away.  You ran at the bowling alley? That kind of? No, it smelled like the plastic that's described in the Kurt Vonnegut book, Breakfast of Champions. 45 seconds. Wheaties. Indeed. And Sarah, could you read the opening line today? Sure could. Will you? I will. Not falling for that. I can and I will. 30 seconds. Roger, I don't always buy them. It's true. Sometimes I want to wear them so badly. I had always washed them before I wear them now after I saw that house episode where the guy got poisoned by his jeans. Oh, great. 15 seconds. I'm missing out on good TV, apparently. This was like 15 years ago. 10 seconds, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four. Lift off. Microsoft Rocket. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News Show directly to find out more head to dailytechnewshow.com slash supports. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, October 2, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila and I'm Scooter Lane. And I'm Patrick Beja. I'm tired. Oh, Patrick. Is it dad stuff? Because I think that's why our next person... Yeah, it kind of is dad stuff. I, too, am tired, but I come from the fringes of the L.A. Empire. And you are? Oh, that's right. My name, Roger. My name is Roger. That's how you really know someone's tired. They're like, who? I don't know. He's trying to one-up you. Somebody. It's the battle of the dads. We got three dads on the show today. Microsoft's in the middle of announcing things. So Rich Strafolito has agreed to keep an eye on the Microsoft announcements and surface every once in a while to tell us what they're announcing. Thank you, Rich. No problem, Tom. Rich, we have something we'll be talking about in a couple of minutes, right? They can take them like 25 minutes, actually. They have to announce something, Tom. All right, good, good. We'll get to the first round of Microsoft stuff in a minute, but let's start with a few other tech things you should know. Tencent Music Entertainment Group formally filed an IPO in the United States under the symbol TME in what could be the biggest US IPO by a Chinese company ever to date. In a filing with the SEC, Tencent Music reported a profit of $263 million on revenue of $1.3 billion for the last six months, ending June 30th. Ever sounded really exciting, and then to date kind of brought it down a little bit. I'm disappointed. Well, I mean, I was going to do that. No, it's true. Apple is now integrating university student ID cards into its wallet, the company's contactless payment system on the Apple Watch and the iPhone. The first schools to come online are Duke University, the University of Alabama, and the University of Oklahoma. Apple first announced the integration back in June at WWDC. In response to a surprise complaint by engineer Eric Swildens, the US Patent and Trade Office has rejected almost all 56 claims, basically 53 claims, all but three, in Waymo's patent suit against Uber. The USPTO found that some claims replicated technology described in an earlier patent from Lidar vendor Velodyne, while another claim was simply impossible and quote, unquote, magic. Swildens, who doesn't work for any of the companies in question, says he became interested in the Lidar patents when it surfaced during the Uber case and he saw how simple Waymo's Lidar circuit seemed to be. All that was needed was just someone to complain. If only- Can you believe in magic? No, Eric Swildens did not, and so he complained. If you don't live in Japan, or even if you do, you may not have realized that GeoCities continued as part of Yahoo Japan long after it shut down for the rest of the world. That ends this March as Yahoo Japan. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. It's kind of like the ever end to date thing. It's disappointing. That ends this March as Yahoo Japan announced it will shut down the service after 22 years. I'm sad that I'm just learning that GeoCities was still available. I could have walked down- That's amazing. Athens neighborhood one last time. Well, I guess I have till March. I can try to do that, yeah. Will you? I might. Oh, okay. Don't challenge me, Patrick, I'll do it. It wasn't a challenge, so it wasn't. All right, let's check in with Rich Strafolino and find out what Microsoft has announced so far in their ongoing announcement as we record this. Looks like we have a couple of things now, Rich. Yeah, the big news right now is the announced Surface Pro 6. This will come with eight generation Intel CPUs. That means quad core, more than likely, a 12.3 inch display up to one terabyte of SSC storage, 13.5 hour battery life, weighs 1.7 pounds, a redesigned thermal system, and notably available in Jet Black. So the rumors there are the leak we saw of Microsoft putting out black colored devices is true. I didn't get that excited about that leak. I'm like, okay. And the other thing that I'd seen speculated is that we weren't gonna get a big design change. These were just gonna be pretty much spec bumps for what is at the current moment a successful line for Microsoft and that looks like what we've got. Absolutely, Tim. Price starts at $899, goes on sale October 16th. Now it looks like there's also a Surface laptop. What do we know? Do we know anything yet about that? I have not seen any details about that because the verge live feed is not updating presently. Oh, I'm finding something on TechCrunch about it. Now you might wanna just look over at the articles as they get posted. I will jump on. Yeah, it looks like we've got a Surface laptop too coming out. So we'll let Rich look and dig into that and we'll move along and talk about some other things but we'll keep checking in with Rich to find out a little bit more about the other Surface devices as they surface. Patrick, let's talk a little bit more about Chrome. Well, Google announced a partnership with Ubisoft to bring the upcoming Assassin's Creed Odyssey to its Chrome browser for a limited number of users. The same day the game comes out on PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC. The test is called Project Stream and is geared towards participants with a home internet connection of at least 25 megabits per second. Ubisoft is also experimenting with bringing the game to the Nintendo Switch in Japan via cloud servers. So video game streaming is everywhere. Yeah, no, this is very cool. I like what they're doing here which is we're gonna demonstrate our technology for game streaming with a big name title. At release date, that makes a big splash and the way I guess they were able to convince Ubisoft to do this is to say, we'll limit the number of participants. We're not gonna try to undermine your whole market here right out of the gate. It'll just be a beta test. So you're gonna have a bunch of people scrambling to get these invites to try this out. How successful do you expect it to be, Patrick? It, I think the big challenge now, I mean, video game streaming services as we've talked about them many times on the show, they've been around for a while. The big challenge now is to try and reduce latency which they kind of address in the announcement about this project. And we've known they've been working on it for a while but they note that streaming video, as we know, is relatively easy because as long as you can buffer a couple of seconds or even a little bit more than your internet's connection, how do you say it? Basically losing quality is not going to be a problem. In games, of course, you need to have good reliable instant latency. So if they manage to address that problem, then I think it could be very successful. And the really interesting thing is that they're not just launching a console or anything like that. You already have everything you need to play it. Basically just Chrome. That's the biggest part of this announcement for me. 25 megabits per second doesn't seem like that's that fast. I mean, I know not everybody has access to that everywhere but that is somewhat at the lower end of broadband these days or at least more frequently it can be. You're seeing cable companies come out with 300, 400 megabits per second. You're seeing fiber in more places. So it does seem like this is fairly on the wider and more people will be able to handle this than not. Yeah, 25 megabits is definitely enough to stream some HD content, that's for sure. The big issue as I was mentioning is going to be latency. If you have an older type of connection, it might not be as fast as a fiber connection. Well, because I have two connections there. I have a business line that's 400 megabits per second for this stream. And then I have a home line which is fused DSL for 50 megabits per second. I wonder what the latency on that is. I know I've done a speed test but I don't remember now because I wasn't paying attention to it that closely on the day of install. I just wanted to make sure I was getting close to what I paid for download wise. So those fused lines might have latency issues that other lines wouldn't. I mean, to be honest, if you have a decent latency even if it's around 50 or 100 for a game like that which is solo, it's still gonna be playable. The real trouble happens when you wanna play multiplayer games. All right, question for everybody. When is the last time you swatted someone? Oh, please no. You mean flies or people? Cause there's a whole big different there. Swatting is a term at least in this story meaning calling the police with a fake threat to get the SWAT team to respond to an unsuspecting target, it's not a nice thing to do. This often happens to video streamers so that the people who are being the perpetrators can watch the results in real time live on the video stream. This actually happens. The Seattle police department now says anybody worried about swatting happening to them can create a profile on a data management service called Rave Facility run by smart 911 and add a swatting concern tab to their profile. If you're worried about it, yeah add it to your profile and it'll let 911 operators share that information with emergency responders. Yeah, this is serious stuff. I mean, there are some people who've had their lives put in danger because somebody wanted to prank them. Some people have died. It is incredibly dangerous. Obviously the authorities respond thinking that there's someone holding people at gunpoint in a house and it's happened that they would actually come in and think something was happening and shot. And we didn't quite know how to address it. So this is a very simple and hopefully very effective way of addressing this. If you get swatted or if you think you might get swatted you register and when someone gets a call saying, hey, there's a hostage situation happening in this house. When they see this house is actually the home of a streamer that has registered, they're gonna probably think twice about how to enter that situation. Well, yeah, Seattle PD made a point of saying this is not going to reduce our response time. This is not going to cause us to not respond. What it is is more information for the respondents to know going in so that they can assess the situation and kind of look for signs. If you know you're going to the home of someone who does streaming, you're gonna have a different mindset coming up to the door than you would otherwise. And part of it is also police procedure. I mean, I think the Seattle PD is actually being very proactive here. There was a case in Wichita a couple of years ago where a guy was literally shot on his French porch. And unfortunately he died when he was swatted and the local SWAT team came and unfortunately they shot him. But it's one of those things that this is one of those things where policies and procedures definitely need to change, regardless of what the situation, you cannot assume that what you think you hear is exactly what they're gonna, what's happening. And it's unfortunate that we've come to this point where something that's ostensibly should be fun to do watching someone play a video game now is involved in a very illegal, I mean, calling in a false crime is a felony in most jurisdictions. So I mean, it's not a joke. And it's unfortunate that we have to do this, but I think I applaud the Seattle PD for taking these steps. All right, let's switch to something if not happier, at least not involving death. Let's talk to Rich Drafilino about what's happening at the Microsoft announcement. What have they announced since we last spoke? All right, Tom, so as you alluded to, they announced the Surface Laptop 2, which starts at either $899 or $999 according to CNET, has a 14.5 hour battery life, same design, but comes in that classy map lack, 8th Gen Intel CPUs, Instant On and Windows Hello support and ships October 16th, perhaps most notably. There's also more details about the Windows 10 October 2018 update. Auto updates will be available starting October 9th and will support text from, sending a text from a PC using either an Android or iOS device, a shared clipboard between PCs and a dark theme in the file explorer. CNET also reported that there is a picture of an updated, what appears to be, an updated Surface Studio in an official photo on Twitter, no one details as of yet. Okay, so Roger, you were saying you wanted a Windows news out of this before the show. So we got the auto update of Windows coming October 9th and usually what happens with that is if you want it, and before October 9th, you can force the update. So I'm assuming that's the case this time as well. Anybody excited about these two Surface? I mean, 85% faster on the laptop too, some nice spec bumps on the Surface Pro 6, but. Well, and it's, I think, oh, sorry, Rich. Well, for me, the big news is quad core now across the Surface Pro and the Surface Laptop. I think there was a big deficiency when you were looking at other laptops that were adopting the Intel 8th Gen. And I think it makes a big difference for making this, especially on a pro machine, something that's gonna be called a pro, having that really would come in handy for photo or video editing. Yeah. And both available in the color black. Matt Blackton. I'm sorry, Matt Black, sorry, Matt. All right, a couple of the things about from Facebook to talk about today, Facebook has followed YouTube and Twitch and letting video creators schedule pre-recorded video to stream at a certain time as if it was live. It's not just scheduling a post to go up, but you sort of make a big deal with a countdown, you can be in the chat room and everybody watches it at the same time as if it was streaming live, but it's pre-recorded. So Facebook's doing that now too. Twitch has done that for a long time. YouTube started doing it recently. Facebook calls their function premiers. Facebook is also rolling out a top fans badge to all pages with more than 10,000 followers. So your most loyal fans can have a top fan badge on all their posts. Facebook released some anti-bullying tools as well. Users can hide or delete multiple comments at a time. You can now delete your own comments and you can report bullying and harassment on behalf of other users. You can also appeal a decision to take down your comments for bullying if you feel that someone was actually harassing you by trying to get your comments taken down. And Facebook is testing the ability to search and block certain words from showing up in comments. So that feature has not yet launched yet. All this is good. The most interesting thing for me is that Facebook is not letting go or giving up on their video efforts. Obviously they wouldn't, but anecdotally, I haven't seen a huge pickup on them with the exception of a couple of dedicated people who might have been, I don't wanna say paid by Facebook, but certainly it looked like they were very enthusiastic about that platform when no one else was, but they're still going. And I guess as they should, because video seems like the one last part of the internet that they haven't completely dominated. So it's not that surprising. Yeah. Anything else on the Facebook stuff here before we move on? All right, let's talk about some opera. Guess we can talk about opera, which launched its opera touch browser to iOS after launching on Android back in April. It's optimized for one hand use, letting you open or close tabs, switch to search, go back or forward using a menu bar located at the bottom of the screen. This app, the app also includes opera's flow technology, which lets a user pass link images and notes from their phone to an opera browser on their computer using a secure and private connection. I actually tried this out earlier. It's great. I love it. I've always liked the opera browser, at least on the desktop. And having an option that's not Safari on iOS is, I appreciate that. And the one handed thing with this large phone that I have is not really happening. However, I like the UI in general and I like the opera team. So that's the big question about any browser that opera ever puts out. Everyone likes them. Everyone agrees they are really innovative and interesting. Yeah. And then no one uses them. And I say no one, I understand some people. Not a lord at all. I think a fair amount of people use the opera browser at least on OS X. Okay. Will you? I do. Okay. Excellent. I mean, it's at least one of the browsers that I use in general. On a regular basis. Yeah, like open up properly. It's definitely in my rotation. Cool. Excellent. I'm happy for opera.  So on macOS, I use Chrome because my default browser can be Chrome. On iOS, I use Safari because I can't change the default. So even if I wanted to use opera or Chrome or Firefox focus or something else, I forget to launch it and I have to launch it intentionally. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I feel like I'm not launching a browser from what you're describing from within some other app or a link all that often. I mean, Chrome is down in my main apps down on the bottom next to messages and my phone and this Chrome. So yeah, that doesn't happen that often, but you're right. I guess that is a shortcoming. Well, let's find something that's not a shortcoming. That's actually an increase. In fact, it is. Amazon announced it's raising its minimum wage for US employees. That's more than 250,000 Amazon employees. That includes part-time and temporary employees as well as another 100,000 seasonal employees to $15. $15 effective next month. The company said it will also start advocating for an increase to the federal minimum wage. The company's also raising wages for its British employees to a minimum of 10, 50 pounds sterling for workers in London and 950 in the rest of the country in England. Target announced in its holiday hiring release it would raise the minimum hourly wage to $15 by 2020 and Walmart announced plans in January to raise its minimum wage to $11. Okay, so this is somewhat of a financial labor market story than a tech story, but with Amazon getting so much heat here in the US, Senator Bernie Sanders had called them out for labor practices and was advocating for legislation to be passed, targeting Amazon. It is interesting to note that there is low unemployment in the US, some of the lowest since the economic recovery began back in 2008 and it is a tight labor market. So you have to pay people more to get them in a low unemployment market. So here we have an excellent opportunity for a huge positive press release for Amazon to say, well, in order to be competitive and make sure Walmart and Target don't get the employees that we want, let's pay them more and make a big deal about how we're raising our minimum wage. It's not a minimum wage. It's the lowest amount Amazon will pay people. It's minimum wages. I reserve that term for a legal concept where the law says you can't pay people below that. Anyway, I think this is an excellent press opportunity for Amazon. So you think it is a recruitment issue that they were having or were thinking they might have in the future more than a reaction to the avalanche of negative press they've been getting in the past few months. I don't think it has to be one or the other, but I think they kind of had to raise their amount anyway and saw it as a way to kill two birds with one stone. Interesting. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's definitely a good thing, especially this might get people to forget a little bit about the potentially damning evidence about their issues with unions or not their issues. Right, right. Whole Foods particularly has battled against unions long before Amazon bought it. And now Amazon and Whole Foods teaming together are fighting against unions together, for sure. And so this is only positive, I guess, mostly for the actual workers who were, by all accounts, having pretty horrendous working additions, at least now they'll be paid a little bit better. Just, I'll just note, these issues are very public in Europe, at least in France as well. And Amazon is under fire constantly for their working conditions. We do have minimum wage here, so maybe that's less of an issue, but the working conditions are being scrutinized very heavily. Yeah, a couple of things. First of all, you keep saying working conditions and nothing has changed in the working conditions with this announcement. Yeah, that's why I was saying at least they'll be paid more now. And we have a minimum wage in the United States as well. You made it sound like you have one in France and we don't, we do. Yeah, we look at it and we think you have a lot of very little unemployment, but a lot of working pores, which that's more... That's a whole separate issue about whether there is, in fact, a minimum wage or not, though. Those are two separate issues. I guess, yeah, anyway, very low minimum wage. Maybe you think our minimum wage isn't large enough. That's a different... That's it, yeah. But another question, though, how much were they paid before? What was the Amazon minimum wage before? I don't think they mentioned... The lowest that people were paid, I thought I saw it somewhere as something like 12 an hour. I think that's right. That's a substantial raise. Yeah. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com and let's check in with Rich Stratholino. Do we have any more announcements coming out of Microsoft? That's right, Tom. We have one announcement coming out in regards to Windows 10, so Roger should be extra happy to hear. Coming out with the October update will be the ability to mirror any Android app directly to Windows 10. Microsoft's calling it creatively App Mirroring. Look, the folks at Daily Tech News Show are not going to criticize Microsoft for naming their app mirroring thing App Mirroring, but yeah, that's cool. So that's not part of the Your Phone app. It sounds like it's a separate thing, but it's along those same lines of being able to take something on your phone and do it on Windows 10, which is pretty cool. And possibly a move to combat Chrome OS kind of doing the same thing, not mirroring, but being able to run Android apps natively. Yeah, yeah, and Android apps run great on Chrome OS. I use that quite a bit. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit, Windows News, and all sorts of other news. You help us make our show better. Thank you. Submit stories and vote on others at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com and also Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News show is another place that you can hang out and share stories with others. Okay, we got Chris Christensen back addressing the difference between American travelers and their European counterparts. Patrick, I know you're gonna like this. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. This story is not necessarily as travel related, but I did see it in my travel news feeds. There's a study that came out about the difference between different countries and how they deal with issues like sharing data and who is persuasive to them. And two stats that I thought were interesting is in the US, 53% of adults are more than willing to share their personal data with a company that personalizes its product services. But as you go to the UK, Germany and France, that goes down to 43%, 39% and 36%. So Americans are much more willing to share their personal data. And then the other stat that was interesting is who do they find persuasive, whether they find digital resources more persuasive than their significant other. And with those four countries, again, only France found their significant other to be more persuasive, 55%. But in the US, UK and Germany, we find digital resources more persuasive, 64%, 61% and 52%. Interesting stats. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. You know, that's interesting, Patrick. What do you think of this? So when we say persuasive is persuading you to travel or getting information on the location you're going to, or I guess it's a little bit of all of you are. It's sort of like my wife said we should stay at this on-send, but TripAdvisor recommended a different one. So we're picking the TripAdvisor one. Please note, I am French. I would like to think- What, you're French? Yeah, I know, it's surprising. I would like to think that this is because we have healthier partnerships in France. And so we listen to each other more and understand each other more. And that's going to be my line then and damn it, I'm going to stick with it. Bams, fighting words. Or however you say that in French. Well, what other explanation would you have? I wonder. I don't know, but oh look, the Surface Studio 2 has been announced, Rich. Yes, that's right, Tom. And it comes with the same 28 inch screen, 22% brighter and with 28% better contrast. It has pen input with 4,096 levels of pressure and improved ink latency. And hey, it comes with Pascal graphics that are 50% faster, which means it's probably still a mobile chip and two terabytes of up to solid state storage. You know, I wish Microsoft would announce their actual products the way you are announcing them for them. What can I say? Have you considered being an auctioneer? I would love nothing more, Sarah. So again, kind of a, it's an update and it's a decent update, but now we're seeing why they didn't want to stream this because it doesn't sound like anything is too crazy here. It's, they could have done all this in a press release, I feel like. I was initially thinking maybe they should have said initially that they weren't going to stream it, but they would have gotten the hype would have completely died down. And now they're still getting everyone who prepared for the live streaming, getting all of that, you know, reported with their live logs and all of that. And so they're getting a lot of press. It's more savvy than I would have initially thought, I guess. All right. Well, folks, we will get back to reading your emails in the mailbag tomorrow, but thank you for all of the great ideas after our quarterly hangout. We're going to have to go through and list them all out. Even if there's not stuff we can use as a milestone, they're just great ideas for segments, for specials that we want to do in there. So please keep the good ideas coming feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. Thanks to Patrick Beja for being with us this fine Tuesday. Patrick, how is everything going since we saw you last? Well, it's going pretty well. I'm a little bit tired.  But other than that, I'm fine. Thank you for asking, Sarah. It's so kind. Well, of course. And let folks know how they can keep up with the rest of your work. Oh, right. Yes. I get it. Right. I do care. I care how you're doing, but I also want you to... So if you enjoy video games, I would suggest that you go check out Pixels. It's my gaming show, which we do every couple of weeks. And the latest episode is about many things. But one of the things we talk about is Destiny 2, the latest expansion. I had given up on that game, and the latest expansion is pretty good. If you want to learn why, just listen to the show. 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Primeman Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. So one thing I was worried about with having to do the show while the announcement was going was are we going to not give it the attention it deserves? And after having seen what they announced, I think it was just the right amount. Unless now that we're done with the show, they announced some kind of flying cyborg robot that can... We'll cover that on a tomorrow's show then. Oh, well, I guess that's right. Just to update all of the good day internet listeners on the score here. So Tom had expected to see a dual screen device, not something he'd expect. I don't think he expected it. Oh, he was excited for it. I would have been excited, yeah. With a clamshell with two screens, so Tom is not excited. Patrick would have been excited to see a new version of the hollow lens, something that makes a little bit more sense. So Patrick is not excited. Also expected moon traveling rocket service, sadly not present either. Sarah would like them to announce something like the tragic Mac pad. Sadly, no update on that as far as we have seen. Although maybe there was something in the Surface Studio announcements that we haven't quite seen. And Roger, optimist as always, wanted to see a smart pen or spend, if you will, sadly not present at the announcement. Wait, is the announcement, is the conference over? No, well, I should say as of show time, those have not been debuted. I did casually mention that maybe there would be a Windows mention. Oh yeah, you did, you did. I think Roger should get credit. I'm hoping for Windows. And I'm the one that's like, yeah, they're not gonna do that. I think Rich was too busy putting on his fancy shirt. No, I was entirely wrong about that one. I really did not think they would do that. It is so hot. It is so, so hot right now. So Rich, this is the question I wanted to ask but before the show started. So, okay, you wear this so that your body measurements are as accurate as possible. Oh, this is the shirt with the, the not ping pong balls, but illustrations of ping pong balls. Yes. You're right. But what if you like just big clothes? So you can specify when you order your clothes whether you would like them in a fit fashion, perhaps in a straight fashion or perhaps a loose fashion. So the company still benefits from knowing your measurements even if you're like, okay, I want everything XXL. Right, because if they don't know what your size is, they don't know how to make it loose. They don't know what is big or small. You can make the pants sag just right. It's not about having fitted clothes. It's about the company knowing how any size. Yeah. If you're like, I want my clothes tight, like your Zosso shirt. Not this tight. Yeah. It's not a good situation. I would like my spank, spank measurement. So the company can give you whatever you want unless it's like physically the shirt will not fit you. It's too small. I mean, maybe they would still ship it to you if you were going to pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you wanted to hulk out perhaps also as well. That could be an option. You can have an option just to say at this size, you know, this item of clothing will be revealing. What would I actually like? And by revealing, we mean splitting your pants. In the app, it did actually give you like how many, like how many inches your shoulder between your shoulders and stuff like that. So if you, you know, if you wanted to, you could theoretically take that to get something tailored, assuming that it's in any way accurate and anything more than a profound invasion of my privacy. I don't know. And as a profoundly small person where things like a button-down shirt, the sleeves are always too long, the collar is always too big, you know, it's like, if there is a shirt that will fit me, that a company like this could send to me because they do exactly what my measurements are, I think that's cool. I would totally use that because one of the things I have is finding button-down shirts that fit my chest. But the problem is because of a pretty broad chest, it just assumes the rest of me is even wider. And so the shirt comes out looking somewhat billowy, actually more than somewhat very billowy. And so I would like something that is a little just cut straight instead of like in this kind of Moomoo-like fashion. All right, hold on. I have to hear the beginning of the show here. Oh, it's not gonna play back. All right, what should we call the show anyway? Surfaces, Surface. There's also Amazons, You Get a Raise Moment. Amazon Minimum Wage, no. Assassin's Chrome. I like that one, that's pretty cool. I like that one. Assassin's Chrome. Assassin's Chrome. I like it, Assassin's Chrome. There's also Kept in the LiDAR, but that might be trying a little bit too funny. What about, please note, I am French. Yeah, but somebody makes a text. Oh, I see, you were skipping that on purpose because I submitted it. Well, isn't that the whole point? Is that the viewers or the listeners? No, it's based on whatever the best title is. It doesn't matter who submits it.  All right, Assassin's Chrome, it is. I thank you all very much for your companionship and support. I am French, and I'm signing off. Have a good night. We wish you a pleasant, pleasant sleep, Patrick. Thank you very much, Scooter. Love you all. Bye. So, two S's in Assassin, right? Yes, there's four S's, four. It's A-S-S-I-S-S. Yeah, I-S-S-I-P-P-I. Right, I know. That's exactly how I was gonna end that, too. I was like, mm, I'm not spelling Mississippi right now. Is that right? I'm getting messed up here. All right. So, last major update that I'm seeing right now, slight correction, I guess, not really inaccurate, but, Tom, as you were saying, the Windows 10 October 2018 update is available today with the auto updates pushing out. Yeah, no, that's what you said. You said auto update October 9th, and then I threw in the like, usually that means you can get it, once they announce the auto update, you can force it to happen. So that just confirms what I was hoping would be true. So, good. Excellent. All right, well, I will have to depart as well. I have child care duties to attend to. Of course, of course. Please enjoy. Thank you for your help, Rich. Rich, that was great. Thank you very much. It was a lot of fun to do. And when my Zozo apparel comes in. Yes. We'll have to have you back. We'll have to have you back. No, yes. Absolutely, so, all right. We'll do a little fashion show. And Sarah, if you want to borrow the Zozo suit anytime, it's barely been worn. Wait a minute, are those Zozo suits? Now I know how comfortable it is for you. I can't wait. No, they have a small, medium, and large. So they give you some guidelines there as well. Yeah, if they have like an XXS, that would probably... Well, there's a lot of pressure, because when you first put it on, they're like, make sure that nothing is bunched up and, you know, and it's just very weird. It's like someone's giving you two specific directions when they're shooting. It's like, okay, you're in Germans. Okay, thank you. Yeah, so, okay. All right, take it easy everybody. Bye. I'm wearing rave wear. I mean, I love the idea of this. I just feel like I'm at the very end of one spectrum. So it's like, what's your smallest size? Because that's the one that I will get. And it might still be too big. Well, and they might be... I never really like wondering if I'm a medium. No. I guess what I was wondering is if they are going to, not tailor per se, but will they be able to adapt them to your specifications? To your point, whether it's form fitting, loose, whatever, will they be able to say, oh, we can actually, we have more options than small, medium and large. Because if that's the case, then it's always worth it. Yeah, so I guess, you know, if I was someone who was like, I want like real baggy pants. I got this whole thing going on, that's my thing.  They might be like, the medium is actually the pants that helps. Or they may have more than just small, medium and large is what I'm thinking. Right? Oh yeah, we've got loads of options. And maybe even easily on the fly, kind of adapt them to be exactly what you want. I don't know. Are you still doing that monthly clothing thing? I stopped it because I wanted to save money. I wanted to save money. Well, yeah. That's why I stopped mine as well. I didn't dislike what I was getting. And I was keeping a shirt probably, you know, once every two or three boxes, they come once a month. Yeah. But I was also like, I don't really need this and I'm buying a house. So it was one of those expenses that got axed where I'm like, you know, I'm just going to cut that one out for a while. But I think I might do trunk club, which is significantly more expensive. But you don't have to keep it. It's more like Stitch Fix. Like they send you one and you don't have to have it sent constantly. They'll send you one, you try on the stuff and you only keep the stuff that you really want. Right. So I might do that again. I did Stitch Fix not that recently, maybe a couple of years ago. And I loved it. But at the same time, it was like, I kind of ended up keeping stuff. I didn't totally love because it was already in my house.  Yeah, like maybe I should like, you know, think outside my fashion comfort zone.  But it is fun, especially if you don't like shopping, which I do have much better clothing in my closet than I did before I did it. Because I had someone with style sending me things. Well, or just different style. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out like what what I could do to them. No, not at all. I haven't styled them. I'm trying to figure out what I could do to replace that without having to sign up for an ongoing dollars a month. Right. My problem is that, I mean, as I'm wearing a T-shirt of a cat as a police officer on the show, I feel like I have my own style. It works for me. But I don't know how to venture out of it. You know, it's like if I'm at a store and there's a striped T-shirt, I just want that shirt because I like stripes. So I have like 20 striped T-shirts and it kind of seems like I'm wearing the same shirt all the time because I just that's just my style. Like it's helpful for me to have somebody be like, try this on. Yeah. You're not going to buy this by yourself, but like it's going to fit you and it might be nice. And the thing I liked about Mr. Collection was they expected you to wear the clothes. It wasn't try it on. And if you want to keep it, you buy it. It was, no, you're renting these clothes. And if you want to keep it and buy it, that's fine too. But, you know, the expectation is you'll send it back to us. Right. Well, yeah. It'd be great if you could just like, you know how you have that this shirt fits great or these pants fit great. Now, if I could get this exact same thing in a different design or whatever, and that's what I really want is like, I really love the cut of the shirt. I wish they also had one that had like, you know, it wasn't check, maybe it was a solid color or I don't know, paisley or something, you know, something else that you could do with it. That isn't, you know, it's it would be customizable, but it would still be like, you know, I would assume Zoso would be able to do that because we were like, oh, we know exactly what fits you now. So you tell us, if you give us the feedback on the stuff that we send you that fits great, we can make sure to replicate that. Once they get the, once they figure out the foldable OLED, you know, like where you have a tablet that you can wear. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Cause then your shirt can always change patterns or whatever. I go, I'm, you know, I think that's a whole different thing. I think it'll always be a place just like people still like analog records. There'll always be a place for clothing. An OLED shirt will be its own thing that would be cool, but it'll be like, oh, so you're wearing an OLED shirt. I don't think it replaces the ability to, I don't know, maybe I'm just being an old fogey there. I just feel like it'll always look like an OLED shirt, you know, there's something about texture to fabric that's hard to replicate. Yeah, yeah. So everything just looks like you're wearing polyester. What if you're doing OLED? I mean, like polyester was the miracle fabric for the 70s or 60s, 60s, 70s. It is, it is still a miracle. Except that it's... It's not very breathable. Not breathable when it burns. It depends on, yeah, it depends on what it is. I've definitely had some polyester stuff where I'm like, this isn't fun to wear. Well, I have some amazing stories about polyester, but you'll only get them if you're a patron listening to Good Day Internet. Thanks video folks for watching. We'll tell the audio folks more in a minute.


Well, this afternoon I am going to talk about history of psychology in India. I will be talking about its beginning, expansion and decline in the last one century and before I begin my talk, I would like to make a distinction between psychology in India and Indian psychology. Psychology in India is a term which is used for the, what we call the western or scientific or modern psychology, modern psychology in India and when they are using the term Indian psychology, we mean the psychology which is of Indian origin. And with this, I would be doing is that I would be tracing its history from the beginning of the, in the beginning of the 20th century and I will see what kind of developments which have taken place in the whole century, one century, because psychology in India is, will be completing 100 years of its existence by 1916, 2016 because it began in 2016. And I think this is a appropriate time for us to also understand what we have been able to achieve, contribute and where we need to go now. Before I begin, I would like to take that psychology as a, one of the most ancient country, one of the ancient country in the world, psychology was a discipline which began much earlier in this country and he had a long tradition of studying mind, consciousness and human behavior. As an old age old, if you look at the age old text of Vedas, Mahapunishas and other scriptures which have repositories of psychological knowledge and theories. And in this context, we can say that the primary goal and objective of these in this psychology was in terms of the self-realization and elevation of human suffering. Yoga system evolved sophisticated mind control techniques for the purpose of inner growth. We can say that Gita in the way is one of the most ancient book on counseling psychology, where Krishna is exhorting Arjun to fight rather than giving up. Now, in that sense, I can make a term that, which was studied earlier or which was discussed earlier was not the psychology which was using the present day methodology. The kind of methodology which was using was of a different kind. Second, during that period, no distinction was made between philosophy, psychology and spirituality. So, when psychology made a new beginning in the last century, in the beginning of last century, during the Buddhist school, it had no continuity with the knowledge institutions of this country. Psychology with the laboratory experiment and laboratory studies was a novel idea, new approach which fascinated many of the Indian scholars in the beginning. And during the colonial period, a large number of teachers were required for colleges and the schools to teach. And I think Saigwaji made his beginning, if you look at the historically as a subject in the teachers training colleges. In the beginning of the last century, it was the initiative of the vice chancellor of Calcutta University, Sir Bhojan Nassil, who was the professor of mental and moral philosophy in Calcutta University. With his initiative, the first laboratory of Saigwaji was started in 1905. And if we know the history of this country, after that in the 1905, the Calcutta was, the Bengal was divided into east and western Bengal and because there was a lot of agitation which had taken place for almost six, seven years and no further development could take place during this period. So, the first Saigwaji department in this country as a started in 1916 in Calcutta University and the first chairman of this department was, was Professor Anand Sen Gupta. Anand Sen Gupta, if you look at the history of Bengal, that was a time when the nationalist movement was very prominent and many nationalist group collected money and send a number of Indian scholars to west for the study, high studies. They thought that when they will come back from the west, they will start in this country a nationalist university. However, when these scholars came back, that group had disintegrated and as a result Professor Anand Sen Gupta joined Calcutta University and the department which this he started because his training was with Mustanbar, who was a student of William Wound. So, he the first department of Saigwaji in this country was a department of experimental Saigwaji, not the department of Saigwaji and in that department the kind of work which they were doing was primarily of experimental nature, because they thought at that time I think the whole idea was that that in experimental work in the areas of perception, cognition, learning, memory is easy to have transfer of the knowledge from the west to the east. And these are the areas where cultural factors are not going very in permanent rule and because of this reason this kind of work which Professor Sen Gupta began to conduct and in the laboratories in the department at Calcutta. So, because of the very beginning the scientific nature of Saigwaji in this country, Saigwaji became a part of the Indian Science Congress in 1923, as early as 1923 and Indian Journal of Saigwaji in the Psychological Association was started in 1924 and Indian Journal of Saigwaji was started a year later. So, that was the development which took place during that particular period, but Sen Gupta did not stay in Calcutta for very long time, he moved from Calcutta to Lucknow and he did not stay in even academics he moved to administrative position in Lucknow, but there he worked with a very famous sociologist Radha Kamal Mukherjee and with Radha Kamal Mukherjee he brought out a book on social Saigwaji in 1928 and that book was published from UK and we look at that the first book of social Saigwaji by Alport just came in 1924, this book was quite contemporary of the earlier work earlier books in the area of social Saigwaji. After Sen Gupta's living Calcutta, it was Girini Sheikhar Bose who became the head of the Saigwaji department. Girini Sheikhar Bose was not a psychologist, by training he was a doctor, he was a psychiatrist and he was in a close contact with Sigmund Fryer. So, because of his Sigmund Frye's influence and because of his constant communication with him, psychoanalysis became the main thrust area of the department. He started the Indian Psychoanalytic Society as a society which became, which got associated with the International Psychoanalytic Society and that was the period when in the west Sigmund Frye's work was very controversial. Many of the many of the countries many places his work was almost banned, not taught in the universities and his books were not available and that was the time when India in Calcutta, his work was readily accepted and taught in the academic circles. He also started the first mental hospital in this country called the Lumini Park Memorial Hospital and it in 1940 and in 1947 he started a journal, very famous journal of the period was Samiksha, there was journal he started and later on when Jung, Meyer and Spearman came to India to attend the Indian Science Congress in 1938, the department started another wing that was the wing of Applied Social Society applied psychology, but prior to the independence from the British school there were two other departments which started in this country, one was at Mysore University and that department was headed by Professor Gopal Swami and Gopal Swami was trained at Dandan University with Spearman and so naturally his work was in the area of mental testing and he was the person who started the first animal laboratory at Mysore. The other department before independence was started at Patna and Patna had a very ambitious plan of having a teaching department a psychological research and services center, so that they could coordinate the active research and teaching with the services, psychological services that was the idea which Mathew who was the person who inspired all these development at Patna was working. Mathew was also trained with he was trained with Giridindu Sekhar Bose and in that sense the work which they were doing in the Patna was of psychoanalytic and clinical psychology. In short Patna, these were the three centers we can say which were functional during these only three departments of psychology before independence. Research during these period as we can understand was primarily in the area of experimental psychology, psychoanalysis and the work which was doing in the areas where cultural factors are not very important, this is what we were talking about and the primarily working on the basis of the laboratory work and the value free kind research that kind of the ethos which were prevalent during that particular period and that was British government never paid any attention to the development of psychology. For primarily they have made a lot of investment in the establishment of the department of sociology anthropology, primarily for the reason that they wanted to understand Indian culture and society, because they knew that 1857 move that rebellion movement was because they have failed to understand the culture and sensitivity of the people in this country. So, there was a concern and these were the primary first areas which Britishers promoted, but for them psychology was not at all as individual, so study of individual behavior was not at all in an important subject, but during that period one important work which we can I can quote that was the work of Prasad Prasad which was published in British journal of psychology in 1935 and that work was based on the there was a big earthquake in northern part of the country in Bihar and Prasad studied what kind of humors people were spreading in that area and to his amazement he found that most of the humors he collected almost 30,000 humors and most of the we found that most of the humors which people were spreading around was fear arousing and he was wondering why people who are afraid already scared of the earthquake are spreading this kind of humors and, but this is the kind of work which he did and he collected and analyzed these humors and later on when first thing about his theory of cognitive dissonance he has categorically mentioned in the interview to Kohan and other people that his primary inspiration or ideas of cognitive dissonance theory has come from this work of Prasad and later work by Dugan Srinath that was work he inspired his development of the theory. One more thing I would like to mention before what happened in development before independence much before the independence was the close association between contact between William James and Vivekananda. William James is considered to be the father of modern psychology in America and when Vivekananda went to states Chicago for the world religious conference after the conference he stayed at Harvard for almost one month and during that period William James used to go almost every day to attend his discourses and he had a many times the meetings with Vivekananda and that continued almost for a month and it is said that when the William James talked about stream of consciousness this whole famous idea of stream of consciousness his idea of stream of consciousness was inspired by his discourses with Vivekananda. But later on in 1911 when William James wrote the book varieties of religious experiences there is famous book he had not mentioned even once the name of Vivekananda though many of the ideas which he took was from his discourses. Now after independence the government was really concerned and interested in expanding and developing higher education in this country and for that purpose the government has started this initiative of starting new departments training the faculty in psychology and that was a time when many of the UEC and other government bodies were coming up with the purpose of expanding higher education in this country and during that period one event I could say is that because of the Hindu Muslim violence communal violence during the partition time government really got concerned about concerned that why such much violence can take place and why people kill each other and for that government approached UNESCO and from UNESCO they with the collaboration of UNESCO they conducted a major project in the under supervision of Garda Murphy and they brought later on Murphy brought out a book also and in which many Indian researchers also collaborated and the book was in the minds of man the violence is here not outside anyway that was important work in the period and then the UNESCO there was so much expansion in the beginning that after within 15 years of independence almost 20 or 30 UNESCO was started and when these universities were started they did not have the faculty for psychology because they were not so much trained and educated psychologists were available during that period so most of these faculty departments were started by bifurcating or taking faculty from other sister departments most of the faculty which came to psychology during that period was from philosophy department there was one of the development I think which has serious importance was development of psychology and what another thing which government did during that period apart from setting up new departments was the cultural exchange program and the cultural exchange program with the West particularly the UK and the Commonwealth and the America during the Kennedy and Johnson period that common common scholarship or full pride scholarship or other these kind of other scholarship large number of Indians Indian scholars and students went to America, Canada, UK for higher education in fact it used to be the pen loads of students were going at that time because large number of these people were given fellowships to go and study and come back and establish the departments so that was one of the major development which happened during that particular period in the early years of the independence and when now so when these scholars who went to states or West for the studies when they came back in early in the early 70s or during that period and they started with work in the academic department they were trained better trained in terms of methodology in terms of concepts in terms of scientific science view of doing scientific psychology and because of that training and because of their get expertise in this area what actually happened that is doing the late 60s when most many of the head of departments in this country would we look at the history came from the philosophy departments but later on it turned that these people who came from the West they took over the leadership role and psychology started growing in this country at a rapid pace as a scientific discipline. Now, this was also period during which I would say psychology was growing outside the university system also because university has limitations of research facilities and opportunities and many of these IIT's and IM's and agricultural institutions and those were number of prominent psychologists were studying while teaching and doing research and that was the period when the psychology was expanding rapidly in different domains and different regions and when the university started this schemes of special assistants and advanced centers and that also helped psychology in its growth in the later decades and years. Now, this I would say because of this rapid expansion of psychology in this country in 60s and 70s and psychology was with the expectations of the people expectations of government psychology is really coming up to contribute to the national development and the growth of reconstruction of the country and there was a period when the then because of their presence because of so many universities where psychology students were studying and teaching and research was going on it was expected that psychology will going to make a big mark and contribute to the national development. But these expectations were gradually in late I would say mid 70s people realizing this expectations are not being met because I was you are still a alien discipline in this country a discipline which was primarily concerned about as I was analyzed at that time was observed by many psychologists at that time. There is a discipline which is on the imitating replicating duplicating the western work and Indian social reality Indian problems and social Indian issues are not becoming part of the research concerns of the Indian psychologists and there was a time when it was there was some kind of a doubt and where the Indian psychology was really crisis that that it may be considered a period of the crisis of identity that what psychology can contribute and what how psychology can play a more meaningful role a more purposeive role in the various government bodies in different places and the in terms of the social development and social issues and problems and how they can make a contribution and there was a time when Nandi like Nandi wrote very categorically that India's psychology has become merely imitative and subservient but also dull and applicative that was his very famous statement which he made in a paper in 1974 and for Dhu Gahan Sinha and other people said psychology is nothing but applicative is a carbon copy of the western work and there was a kind of ethos in which you know psychology was a lot of soul searching and thinking was going that how psychology can be made more viable more efficient more to the do this concerns society and to the country and many of the analysis was done during this period that why psychology is not able to make this kind of contribution and I think one of the one of the explanation there are many explanations which were given during that period and one of the which I developed much earlier is that Indian psychologist live in two different worlds that was one of the thesis one of the hypothesis that despite of all these kind of developments what was imagine the western psychology started going in this particular in this country there was lot of hopes and expectations and there was a excitement that the situation in this country will make important discoveries in terms of understanding our own social reality and these hopes that a positive science a science which was not existing in this country earlier before the British period will have something new explanations, new interpretations, new ways of thinking and new ways of understanding our own problems which our traditional Indian psychology could not provide those kind of explanations and keeping that in mind that another thing which was true that this was the expectations from a psychologist, but if you look at that the academic psychology which was in the within the academic setting was not consistent or not compatible with the values, beliefs, practices, social systems, social family and other system within this country. So, that kind of a gross incompatibility even that Indian psychologist as a professional was a different person then as a social being or as a creative person as a creative being and that kind of demarcation that kind of division of the psychologist somebody said later on that Indian psychologist suffered from a kind of split personality as a professional he is a one person and as a individual as a social being or as a creative being he is a different person and caught between these two words would say this professional and social cultural Indian psychologist had a problem in balancing how to balance these two words and so there was a problem of making a kind of a division between metaphysical and empirical this was one of the thing between the clinical and experiential between intuitive and objective all these kind of debate all these kind of dilemmas because in real life they are doing something else and the academic setting they are doing something else and because of that what Krakkar said very statement that Indian psychologist another thing is that Indian mind works in a different way the whole book which Krakkar wrote and he wrote earlier also that Indian mind does not try to reconcile or the opposites or different effects but what Indian mind does is that they leave them as co-existence that they coexist in the world that both the realities are considered to be accepted as the way of nature works and he made a statement that the aesthetic satisfaction of a Hindu myth resides in a full savoring of both the extremes rather than seeking a synthesis so that kind of ethos was not in his culture which was very much in the western culture and that kind of a mind set that you have to study the subject with a very objective and objective way that kind of ethos and that kind of mind set Indian did not have Indian was more you know a kind of a more humanistic and more holistic and that kind of approach which Indian says was not very relevant or not very conducive to the growth of academic or scientific psychology. Science is easy to understand understood in terms of the scientific practices in the natural sciences and then in social sciences. Now, how Indian psychologist lived in two different worlds I will give you some examples I think that will make this point clear that how they lived and if you look at the for the Bojan Nasiil who wrote who studied the first psychology laboratory he was an eminent scholar of of ancient Indian sciences that was he wrote a lot about how Indian knowledge system and about it he wrote and he was a person who he one way he was studying in the laboratory psychology laboratory other way he really encouraged he was one of the another scholar of that time to write a volumes on Indian psychology he was my inspiration behind him. If you look at the work of N. N. Gupta N. N. Gupta wrote on a wide variety of subjects he wrote about the mystical experiences also he wrote about the western dance also he wrote about the you know all kind of different Indian ethos and Indian concerns and he these were published in the journal of that particular time which was of a different nature of from experimental psychology the department he started. And if you look at another and later on he wrote in his biography of N. Gupta the N. Gupta term religious and got interested in mystical tradition and published work in that area that was another stream which he followed apart from the experimental work he was doing in the department. Girini Shekhar Bose his work was as I said was in the area of psychoanalytic and he started mental hospital also he and he was in the kind of activities he was involved and he wrote as a scholar a series of articles and a long a long series of commentary on Bhagavad Gita in the very famous magazine of that period which is was Pravasi was as one of the very prominent Bengali magazine of that period he was still writing series of articles in that which has nothing to do with the psychoanalytic work no connection with his work what he was doing in the professional areas. And same thing we can say about the Gopal Swami also that he was a animal celebrity started but at the same time he also started radio station at that time and he got more interested in the cultural activities and giving those discourses and talks on the Indian culture. So, that was the before the period of independence if you look at after independence also when the Sahagogi departments were started by bifurcating philosophy department a lot of philosophy department people from philosophers joined the Sahagogi departments. So, there was expectation that they will bring their background academic background to Sahagogi background of their knowledge of philosophy and Indian psychology and activity they would be easy to happen at all. Instead most of these philosophy faculty from Sahagogi they are more interested in learning the research design new methodologies doing work in the scientific area and they almost as the history shows that they almost ignore whatever background they had because they wanted to develop a new identity as a scientist. So, this is what and I think if you look at the work which was done even during before freedom there is hardly any reference of Indian work on freedom movement during that period. So, means Indian Sahagogi movement was Indian freedom national movement of freedom movement was not a concern of Indian psychology. And if you look at the political scenario and the kind of social society which had that it is not it has not got reflected in the kind of work which Indian Sahagogi students were doing as a professionals. So, all these if you look at the in the later period also that the creative talent they are they are what they were doing they were as if they were living in two separate worlds something which was close to the heart they were doing somewhere else and for professional work they were doing as a part of their job and activity professional, but maybe that the heart was divided in that sense and I think this was one of the reason that they could not put their whole energy and effort in developing the Sahagogi discipline at that time. I am not saying this is true for everybody, but I am talking about the general ethos of this period that this is the crisis with Sahagogi that both Sahagogi which they have been doing as academic discipline and what they see outside the world there is not much compatibility between these two and two and there is no way they can reconcile these two most of the situation they have not been able to reconcile these two different worlds. So, this is what one of the argument is Indian Sahagogi students have always lived in two different worlds. Now, this may be ok in the case of physicist or chemist or chemistry or biology or in these subjects this is alright if they live you know different laboratory and as a real life they will have different but Sahagogi is a subject which is concerned about human behavior, human attitudes about consciousness about you then if that is dissociated from there what they observed outside world it creates a kind of a problem. But you know if you are looking at that point you will Sahagogi was growing in any case because one this was one of the reason one of the thesis which are this one of major cause but Sahagogi in this country was growing in any case and if you look by we do not have much data the whole problem in this country is that we do not have data and somebody some Jain he collected some data in 2001 he published some work he said they may around 15,000 Sahagogi's working in this country which includes clinical and all other fields as well academic as all other fields also they may be around 200 universities where Sahagogi is being taught. And so in terms of expansion in terms of research and I think one famous western Sahagogi he said India is a India in 87 he wrote India is a publication giant outside the western world the kind of work which we have been doing research which we have been doing and was quite substantial in the terms of publication but in terms of the impact and in terms of their continue there are rarely any work of that period if you look at the of this period of history where there is some kind of continuity what we saw in the maybe we can very few scholars like Amadha Singh who did a work in a particular following a particular stream or particular theme but they are not many such people in this country because India Sahagogi's were suppose to play diverse rules they have to do research in different areas and there was very few who had a particular thrust area in which they could make any particular mark. So, this is one of the concern and the thesis that but beside of this expansion what are Sahagogi was going that I would say in later years in 80s and later period Sahagogi grew in three different directions and I think there was a lot of pressure for India Sahagogi to become more and more concerned about the problems and of this particular of this country and be able to participate in the developmental process and what we call the new movement we started the movement of indigenization that Sahagogi should be indigenized and indigenization has different connotations of course but that was one of the concern and one of the thrust which was visible in the in the around 80s and later period and indigenization may mean two different things one we what we call exogenous indigenization and endogenous indigenization exogenous is the indigenization is what these terms were used by Luganshina and exogenous indigenization is that taking the theories western theories and concepts and how they can be indigenized can be adapted and served in the within the Indian context this is what that how they we can indigenize them how we can make them useful for studying our own problems and endogenous indigenization was the kind of indigenization that we taking our own heritage our own traditional Sahagogi which was there for thousands of years the how that Sahagogi can be examined understood and may be made relevant for the present society and for the present times so these were the two different kind of streams which was coming up and because of that I think the three movement started in this country and the first movement was I would say cross-cultural Sahagogi which other in the big way this country that many of the Indian Sahagogi's joined this cross-cultural movement which started in the 70s and grew in 80s and later period and Indian Sahagogi's to work not only part of this movement they are part of the you know they were precedents also the two precedents of international association of cross-cultural Sahagogi were from India two precedents many members may be members and their executive members from India so that was a way Indian I thought Indian Sahagogi's thought this is one way they could make find a way to test western theories or they expand the knowledge psychological knowledge in country and different areas but as Dugan Sinha said later on that what cross-cultural Sahagogi was doing in spite of all popularity and all participation in the cross-cultural Sahagogi cross-cultural Sahagogi was primarily testing the western models and theories in different countries there were hardly few instances they may be instances but very few instances where theories and concepts which were part of the third world or different other countries were tested cross-culturally very few examples such examples so cross-cultural movement in the became in a way way for India Sahagogi's to mark internationally but at the same time that did not help us in understanding and developing our own concerns another movement I would say we started because cross-cultural Sahagogi is on problems now I think there is a lot of work we say that cross-cultural Sahagogi movement is also internationally on decline the another movement was what we can call problem oriented research there was one of the we started much earlier by JPB Sinha and other people who thought that western theories can be brought in India but these theories can be used for the purpose of understanding and studying in the Indian the problems and bringing the methodology particularly the western methodology and using this methodologies in this country and expanding the you know making it relevant for the society for society here there was one thing another thing which movement we started was of Indian Sahagogi we say Indogenous Indigenization Indian Sahagogi in the sense that we need to know our own heritage we need to know our own traditions our own contribution and our own theories and concepts which may be useful in the present society and that results out the whole movement of Indian Sahagogi started Indian Sahagogi movement is not very old I would say maybe 20 or 15 or 20 or 30 years old though the book was written much earlier by JPB Sinha but they have not much has happened during this period only in the same time this movement is now catching up so this another movement was of the movement of Indian Sahagogi that let us understand test and examine our own heritage our own knowledge which we have been we can expand I think the whole idea which is coming up in the same time I would say that can we develop a Sahagogi which is alternative to the western Sahagogi is not that western Sahagogi is useless the whole idea is not that western Sahagogi is not applicable or useful in this country but they may be another ways of understanding the problems another way of dealing with these problems because western Sahagogi has not been able to handle the problems of the west also if you look at the WHO reports as we look at the report that the way depression is increasing worldwide and WHO data source suggests that by 2030 the 50 percent of the world population will be suffering from depression half of the world will be suffering from depression by 2030 this is the WHO data if you look in terms of the mental health problems you look at the other kind of crisis which the world is going through or the west even the west is going through these western theories and concepts are even not working within the western system so the whole idea is that is it possible to develop an alternative a new way of thinking a new Sahagogi a new Sahagogi which can be more conducive and I think in this area this is the area where Indian work Indian contribution can be significant not only Indian but the traditional societies Chinese or the different societies or Latino societies where their own knowledge their traditional knowledge can this be become together and provide a kind of alternative to the western Sahagogi this is one of the theme which is emerging from the present discourses in this particular area now we can think that western Sahagogi also declining in this country there is a big concern everywhere that the Sahagogi is not growing the western the Sahagogi started in the 1916 in this country is not growing in this country in fact it is going down now after all these expansion and all these development which we see the Sahagogi is has not been able to make any impact rather than that in terms of the quality of students in terms of the faculty in terms of the research output because the recent data six months back the data which has come that if China is publishing nine papers we are publishing two papers and ten years back or to fifteen years back we are publishing ten papers and China was publishing nine papers so that if you look at the rapid decline in our contribution in our work the number of papers I have not brought the data today but the number of Indians publishing in the western journals in the in the in the standard international journals even number of those Indian scholars is declining from India they may be outside who are working but those who are working within India the publication of Indians in the international journals standard journals is declining rapidly declining rapidly so they so we can so there is a I think there is a kind of a concern and anxiety that the Sahagogi which started hundred years back almost that Sahagogi is now and we need to think very again and understand that what factors are what reasons are there and how this Sahagogi can be rejuvenated now this Sahagogi is declining may be may be there are many reasons you know people have given the whole analysis we look at this analysis that why this Sahagogi is declining there are many reasons there is no supportive one is of the very important point which is made in many papers is that there is no supportive intellectual climate if you are doing some work and you want to find people who can look at your work look at this work review it give you a kind of feedback and understand or appreciate what you are doing that kind of culture and that kind of support system is not there Sahagogi as a profession has remained but Sahagogi in the in that sense that the support within the academic community and outside both ways that kind of support system is lacking this one of the point which is make which is made that and there may be other point which is made that there is increasing spread population you look at the university system and you go that this institution they is we are do downed by the students one class 200 students 300 B.A. students and they are very small laboratory where you work and if you look at the data which is very interesting that I collected data in the eastern UP and UP and part of the Bihar the study shows that they produce more than 30 percent of the students within India if you look to totally their production is more than 30 percent colleges small colleges have Sahagogi students how many 600 students they were small laboratory somewhere so there is a mass production there but in terms of quality of education quality of teaching quality of environment that is sadly missing in this country and the kind of will to do it. Another point which they make is that decline is that we have not been able to make much progress in terms of methodology in this country how we can develop the methodology which is more appropriate for studying the problems of this country keeping in mind the kind of you know ethos and the kind of culture from which we come that that kind of empiricist and the experimental methodology works in some cases in some areas but if you want to do research at the at the global level at the holistic level or at the kind of a more what is level that that becomes a problem that how we do it. There is a serious problem that kind of methodology which works at the individual level we have but which can work at the larger group level of societal level or that kind of methodology we are not able to develop because the Sahagogi has always remain a individual analysis of individual subjects. Another point is that Sahagogi has become as the point which is very restricted within the narrow disciplinary boundaries. You know we can do research for the purpose of research for but we want to understand the social problems. Then we cannot just remain confined within the Sahagogi boundaries and that is becoming problem that sociology or anthropology or economics unless that kind of cross disciplinary research takes place this kind of problem oriented research does not become very meaningful and purpose in this country. Even those places where people of the different disciplines are together they sit in the same on the same floor as I can see here says this department there is very much less interdisciplinary work which goes on and within Sahagogi in the university system there are different departments and these departments are confined to only what they keep doing but that kind of approach and that kind of concern is completely missing. Anyway these are some of the points I thought I would make that how now cushion which before us and this is challenge before us that how we can rejuvenate psychology in this country. How we can Sahagogi the paradox is that the demand for Sahagogi is increasing here elsewhere whether it is a clinical or professional or social or other areas there is a demand for good Sahagogi and these Sahagogi are not available there are not many students they are not maybe they need for this students for good research programs and these are not available. So, this kind of that we have people we have students but that quality is sadly missing and I think what we need to do need is that we need really a good thinking about it and I think that given in the present scenario what we can do and I think this is a better question and the question mark which will I will put on Sahagogi.


turning out this morning. I'd like to introduce to you Mayor of New York City, Mr. Eric Adams. Great. Thank you. Thank you. And it's really, really exciting to be here to give the key of the city to Lord, Lord Andrew Lloyd Webber. For all of his contributions here, you know, I was sharing with our honoree how much I grew up on his plays and the performances from Phantom of the Opera, one of the longest running performances. It's closing, but it gave us many years of just joy throughout the years. And we know that professionally, no matter how many great moments we have, we know we also have those personal moments of real pain. And we, our city joined you in the loss of your son, Nick. It was extremely impactful. But you have brought us so much joy, so much happiness. I remember as a young person watching Cats, one of the amazing performances on Broadway, you could bring Cats back because we hate raps in New York. So we would love it to be here. But success after success. Think about the whole, don't cry for me in, you know, Argentina and Evita. I could just go on and on and on and all of us know our famous favorite lines, our favorite opportunities, and his continuous success, even the new performance of that Cinderella. We are looking at the really the greatest of all time. A true, true contributor to Broadway's. And he keeps the lights on in our hearts as we keep the lights on in Broadway. Broadway is just really thriving. It's an economic boom for our city. We look at the number of dollars that Phantom of the Opera brought to this city as part of our economy and the vibrancy of what's great about this city. People come to New York to experience Broadway and experience the shows that you allowed us to appreciate. Your accolades are so many. You won an Emmy, three Grammys, an Oscar, six Tonys, and a Golden Globe. Lord Webber has also been acknowledged and recognized at the Kennedy Center Honors. He has received a knighthood and been made a lord by the late Queen Elizabeth. And today I think when you look at all of those things, all of those honorees, nothing could be more significant than getting the key to the greatest city on the globe. And so since you unlocked our hearts, we want to give you this key to New York City to hang up near many of the other great honorees you receive. Just thank you so much. Thank you very, very much. Thank you very, very much. This is only a wonderful moment for me. I always, since I was a little boy, loved musicals. And I've always loved American musicals in particular. I grew up really with the Rodgers and Hammerstein shows. And to come to Broadway, I mean, was a great, great excitement for me. My first ever stage show was Jesus Christ Superstar, which opened here, of course, in the now, no longer Mark Helinger Theater. And so Broadway has always been my kind of dream. And as I've said, quite brilliantly, that Broadway is the reason that so many people come to New York. And I felt very, very much a part of the community, even though I'm British, but I still feel that this is the home of musicals and where I want to be. So I'd like to just say thank you, thank you very, very, very much. It's something that would mean a very great, what means a great deal to me. And I hope that Broadway continues to thrive and that new shows come in. And what a wonderful thing it is to have a mayor who supports the theater. Thank you all very much. Thank you.