ts. There was no Gotham in the 1980s that had an Arthur flak in it that became a Joker. So this is all inaccurate.  Does he know what it's doing? Yeah, it's not that Gotham's not real. Gotcha. Ha. Point me to the guy. I don't remember. Do you guys remember? Is there a video clip? We can find this of a guy dressed in a Joker outfit shooting a coat like a host of a show. Is that a thing? Apparently this film is all made up. That's dumb.  Did you guys know that Lord of the Rings is based entirely on reality? I hope so. It's great. Yeah, he would explain. Yeah, Superbowl. He would explain Bob. He does look like an orc.  Orcs are not that ugly. OK, OK, look, Gotham may not have looked at his best, but he tried. I can just fix it. She says I'm from the Gotham.  And hey, Lertz was definitely not. Well, after the War of the Ring, it was hard to get a job as an orc. So I started reviewing movies in my hobbit hole, like my cave in Mordor, in my basement apartment. I don't know, man. Like, I'm sure it's an actual term for all I'm aware, but like describing apartments to the basements, which just sounds like the kind of thing you'd say when you don't want to say basement.  You're like, OK, you probably should have just said apartment. There are certainly apartments that like if it's like a three-story apartment building, the lower story will be slightly underground. But I don't think anyone ever refers to it as a basement apartment. I think it really just lives in a basement. Basement man, bad. My above ground dwelling. What's like the nicest way you could say you live under a bridge? It's like my sub would be a bridge like a trans poor. I don't even know. I just realized that this started an argument in four words that's trending the argument dispelled incorrectly. They tried. It's not an argument about that. That's supposed to take as an otherwise similar recreation of a 1980s city environment because urban mass violence flashpoints in the 80s were almost always about racial tension to one degree or another. And there's no context given in the movie about anything happening that's making Gotham situation about anything else. Speak.  It's about. What a weird criticism. Like it's not about race. People can't have legitimate like grievances. I guess not.  You chunk chard. Damn. Movie for anything happening that's making Gotham situation any different, speaking of which the lone historical illusion in the film is about that very thing. Joker's first killing on the subway in elevation to full hero status by the media is a clear evocation of the 1984 Bernie gets shootings for any white guy named. No, there's no messages in the film. Apparently, this is a very strong message. He's probably going to say it says nothing about it. Apparently.  That means that they have to be alluding to racism in Joker. It's like, does it? Can it just not be the crime itself or the the act of every when everyone who watched this movie basically got the message. And he's pulling up New York Post newspapers of Bernie gets and stuff like that. You know, Columbine Columbine, like, man, they do not think that all this stuff can't happen. Like, what about this is like unbelievable to you? Like, what about do you not think that a crowd of people can have grievances for class reasons or for welfare reasons or for social mobility reasons or for city management reasons? All of these reasons by people like a large group of people might protest in the streets and those protests might become violent like this. Does he think that just doesn't happen? Like, this is wild. This world that he lives in this has been in that basement too long. Oh, my goodness. Professor Exorcise. They even got Maccaboy in there. Did they? Hamstrings of justice. Professor Exorcise. Such a shitty movie, but I want to see it. I'm looking for jump rope, old friend. I will bring you jump rope in the form of a twizzler. The more you eat, the harder it is. Four black teenagers keep claim tried to rob him on a New York subway and eventually surrendered to police, claiming self-defense, but was later revealed to have said a bunch of really, really suspicious racist stuff leading up to it and also the kids were maybe just panhandling and the whole thing was a huge scandalous mess. But that happened after the media had already spent months writing about a heroic subway vigilante. So what does that say about the film? There's never been a crime. Well, you see, there's never been another crime on a subway or somebody's gotten killed aside from this one instance. And this has this movie has to be referencing this one instance in one list. So I think Louis Bob is really upset that Joker is not like trying to give a racial message. Like I said before, these people are really upset. This film did not tell the message that they thought it should sell. And yeah, like I'm sort of, so like the whole, let's just say he's talking to the top fellows. And on one hand he says, so you were evoking this subway shooting, yeah? And he goes, no, I've never heard of that before. Movie Bob's upset. He's like, that's insensitive. You should know about this if you're gonna do this. You're like, okay, so that's one hand. The other hand, he did know about it. And he's like, so what does your film have to do with racism? And he's like, well, I mean, I'm gunning for the act itself had happened. And so it's a similar one to this, but I'm not gunning for the whole like race angle because that's not what Joker's about. And then Bob's just like, well, that's wrong. And it's just silence because that's not an argument. And that's where we are. This is, these videos are painful to get to because they seem so disjointed and they're so little to grab onto. It's like trying to, I don't know, like trying to, what, what? Those glasses are crooked. He couldn't even fix the perspective on those glasses. I know, it's very simple to photoshop. Like, come on, dude. Hey, where are you guys at? I'm at 744, where are you at? Yeah, what are we looking at? 745. I see the Joker. Oh, yeah. Oh, the devil is like digging in. Oh, no. No movie, Bob. You did not blow my mind.  Don't worry, I'll get it.  So, yeah. He's frustrated that Todd Phillips has taken elements of different events across our own history and put them into, you know, a melting pot of destruction for this society in this fictional city. And he's like, okay, fine, you did all of that, but you said nothing with it. It's like, oh, is that right? So, like, it would be okay if it meant something, right? So, Bob, just bear with me and we'll be able to explain it to you because apparently you're having trouble, but I'm assuming this is where he's gonna his big climax is gonna be, where he explains the movie is meaningless. It's the same way that Arthur's issues with cuts to his social services and medication have the look of an 80s health care system but are presented in the manner that's all about 2019's various prescription addiction, opioid crisis.  He did it again. Nothing. Oh, my God. People only have opioid addiction in 2019, that this never existed. Over triggers. To people don't overdose. Everything is over those. About 2019. People don't have medication needs. People don't need prescriptions. People, like, maybe like prescriptions are, let's see. When did prescriptions start? History of prescription drugs. Duh, duh, duh. Okay, that's like saying, I don't know if you guys ever watched, but on the Andy Griffiths show, there's this little old lady that's really nosy and so she has to go to the pharmacist to get pills because she's got to take her pills. She's a little lady, she needs her pills and then there's a new pharmacist and she says, well, you don't have a prescription so I can't give you the pills. And then the whole episode is about this little old lady pretending that she's dying because she's not getting her pills because the new pharmacist won't give her her pills even though the old pharmacist would always give her pills without a prescription. And then you find out at the end of the episode that they've just been placebo pills with the old pharmacist which is giving it to her so she would, you know, she's okay, she's got her pills kind of thing. And it's like, you're saying that that, using movie Bob's logic, that that is supposed to be a representation of somebody's addiction in 2019 whereas this was a TV show that was filmed, what, in the 50s?  Such a narrow point of view and it doesn't lead him anywhere.  Well, in fact, as I'm misquoting him there, he's just saying it happened in this other time and it's like, I guess that's just the time for that thing even though it's a very broad issue. Does movie Bob want a documentary? Apparently. I think he needs one. Like he needs, like this needs to be a documentary about real events that actually happened and maybe the only thing he can accept is, I don't know the name of the city or, I don't know, like this isn't real. It's fine to take things that actually occurred and sort of change them around and repurpose them. They make sense. It's like a whole riot thing. Yeah, sure. Let's say that movie Bob and the real ladies, like all of the violent riots were explicitly only racial related, all right? There is nothing that say that it isn't logical that a mob could form or that a violent protest could form for a number of other reasons. The fact that this is his problem with a movie should be, if anything, just a beacon for how good the movie is. It takes a lot for me to call issues with the film petty to the point of pointlessness, but that's what we have here. These are like non-issues. Yeah, I'm struggling to actually understand exactly what the problem is. What does he want? What do you want? Tell me what I want. I want my headache from this guy to go away. You'll be cured in approximately three minutes. Who knows how long that'll last, though? Three minutes is gonna be another hour. I don't know what you mean. Or the viral video thing, which is trying badly to plug a critique of present-day social media shaming of ordinary people into an incompatible era where the big concern about media privacy was paparazzi and celebrity tabloids. See, again, he's echoing the point that you can't have him be humiliated on a TV show. That can't happen. It doesn't work. It doesn't work in the exact same way. Therefore, parallels can't be drawn. Thanks, movie bob, in your galaxy brain. Save in the day. Once more. My head hurts so bad. He's making, I'm surprised so much of this video is, these things happen in different times. They should be happening in those times, not this time. Sashen, using cheesy references to a movie from that era about that thing. A movie that was, of course, a thematic reunion feature for the director and star of another movie that Joker takes the bulk of its late 70s, early 80s reference cues from and very much. See how he's very nebulous about what it's taking from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy? Because I hear this all the time. I hear that it's supposed to be copies of it. It's really close to it. People never really explain why, though. And I've never seen these movies. So Joker worked perfectly fine for me without me seeing these, the quote-unquote source material. Well, what you don't realize is Joker stole from those films. So when you finally watch those, which you will, you'll find yourself watching him being like, oh my goodness, this is, I'd say this is a rip-off of Joker if I didn't know better, but I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see if that's your reaction. Because I've seen Taxi Driver several times before I saw Joker and yeah, I managed to survive. I'm not even sure how at this point because I just keep getting told. That's the case. We'll have a podcast for that one, guys. Don't worry, Joker deserves to be looked at as a rip-off of those other films. Please tell me that podcast is not going to be addressing this again. No, it's a different YouTuber. It's not Bob. Oh my God. It's okay. Because this guy's, oh, I can't believe I made it this far. Much wants you to be thinking of at all times, Taxi Driver, because that's a great film. A great film. A great film about an alienated loner losing his grip on reality and turning to violent power fantasies in an unfeeling urban hellscape. It created the universally understood language of such films. And while Joker may be running on fumes, those fumes are an understanding that if it can recite the language phonetically, it doesn't need to understand or speak it. You're not saying anything.   That's what he's just associated with Joker. Said it can repeat the words so there's no idea how it made them or what they're for or what they do. That's an interesting conclusion. You've not provided any evidence for this. I mean, maybe if he actually watched a movie, he would understand them. I was just frustrated. Based on his description of what happens, I don't think he did. He thinks he's so clever by describing a parrot in a really complicated, well, I say more complicated way than just saying a parrot. But he hasn't supported this at all. He's just said it. He's like, good job, man. I could just say the reverse. It wouldn't make any sense. But it's not unheard of on EFAP, the idea that something ripped off something that came after it. Does anyone know what I'm referencing? Hey, Jay Longbow, you were there for that. You remember what I was looking about?  Oh. What? I'm forgetting this. I don't remember if I was on that show. So... He said that Star Wars ripped off Robocop. Oh God, no, I don't remember. How? Robocop came after it. How could you make that claim? Just one that wasn't made with... He just didn't think. He didn't think about the dates. He just thought it and said it and didn't say... You know what? Who cares about accuracy? Who cares about references being accurate?  That's just how you feel. Did movie Bob say that? Yes. It was a remarkable Republican. No. Yeah. Oh, that is a remarkable claim. By an understanding that if it can recite the language phonetically, it doesn't need to understand or speak it. This is a good thing. If there's more clips like this, we can just skip over them, essentially. Is he putting in like these clips to make a time? Honestly, I've really got no idea what this is for. He needs to get it to 10 minutes. Is it to split up the topics? Also, actually, if you remove all of the clips, we might have it sink under 10 minutes. You could be right on that. But I think that's what he's doing. I know he does this in all of his big picture ones, though he tries to... I think the idea is to break up thoughts between sections. I don't know, though. Break up thoughts. I know, right? And that's what I mean by this movie not really being about anything because it's all texture with nothing underneath the Arthur's... You haven't proven this. Yeah, tell us why all the things that everybody is saying that it's about are not true. Don't just keep... Don't just assert blindly that, no, there's nothing here.  And then you have me, like, or whoever else, working for hours, going through the plot meticulously to get all your evidence to prove a point. And they're like, because I just made a 10-minute video saying it was meaningful. I'm just like, oh yeah, repeat that over and over again. Nothing that he has said before this supports the idea that there's no meaning. It's because he left out, like, all of the main details. Like, we're in the endgame now. This is the end of the video almost. He's gonna be wrapping up soon. He didn't say anything. About anything because it's all texture with nothing underneath it. Arthur's big speech sounds and directed in his stage, like a big important scene where something meaningful gets said in a movie like this at this point.  I don't know. But he doesn't really say anything. There are riots here. He doesn't say anything? Like, in terms of a meaningful thing? No, remember, Jenny Nichols said that the message was super heavy-handed and she acknowledged it, but she didn't, like, get it. You know, like, she said it, but she didn't recognize it. He's trying to say that he's saying there was nothing really sad, and she's saying the message was too obvious. So we're dealing with... Yeah, how many times in the final scene here of where Joker is on the show and he's chatting and shitting and all that stuff, and Jenny talks about how heavy-handed it is. And here we have Movie Bob, one of her great-white knights, right? Saying that there's no meaning here. There's no message. There's nothing. So it could simultaneously be empty and heavy-handed and obvious. This is hurtful. It does hurt. That's where the action and score tell us society has broken down, but we don't know what not broken meant in this world. It's grimy and... What?  Why do you have to see the world? What? It's shitty. How do you not know what a not broken world is? Is all the bad stuff minus that? The bad stuff. It's without the bad stuff. Let's help him out. Okay, so social programs that are actually instated and are functioning well, people getting paid and respected for their jobs, people who are kind to each other during traveling or meeting each other, all of your standard sort of societal interactions running well and people respecting each other. That's the world the Joker wants. Yeah, everyone's making money. They're pursuing their dreams. They're not under the duress and stress. Everyone's getting along. Crimes low, welfare is down because people don't need it because the economy's thriving and all this stuff.  This isn't baffling. You know what he wanted was... We needed a prologue, dude, where it's just a really happy world. Everything's happy and great. And then it says 10 years later and then we cut to the film. We want to go back to happy fun time. Yeah, I know. I've been collecting memes throughout this whole stream and Wolf, I think I know which one you just saw. Goodness, this is beautiful. I mean, it's not, but it is. Oh my God, his jowl turned between his tits. He's got a turkey underneath his... He's got a turkey. His cities look like toes.  The turkey there. That bird flew there, thinking it would be shelter. Little did it know that it died. It died and cooked under there. It actually cooked. It died and then he'll just pluck it out once it's done and eat it. Do you think he used his thumbnail to scrape the skin off the legs? I like the size of the laptop, by the way. That's a big bop. Yeah. Oh my goodness. It's got the right amount of juices for my tits. For my type tatter tits. It's 17% sweat. I just want to thank everyone watching and sending me these memes, because otherwise, Movie Bob would have killed me several times by now. Geez, Movie Bob the Hutt. It's like at this point, I'm just like staring at Twitter, hoping I find more memes that'll make me survive the next minute and a half of this garbage video. You just... He always gives me a headache. Any reason you don't like his videos is because it's terrible. Yes. Yeah. I knew it. You buy us toward good things. Anyway. Oh, God. Oh, God. Wait, hold on. Someone gave Diabeto another nemesis to rival Professor Exercise. Dr. Anso... Dr. Anso... Oh, Rex doesn't like it. I'm sorry. You just don't like it because you didn't come up with it. Of course. Yeah, I wouldn't come up with that. I don't know about that myself. I feel like that's an actual rags joke. I don't know. I feel like I would start making it, but I would have... I'd bail out of that. I'd abort mission halfway through and say, Yeah, you know, I... Exercise already. I feel like there's an insulin joke there. All right. You'll figure it out. Given time. But we don't know what not broken meant in this world. It's grimy and edgy and poised on the edge of urban apocalypse, like early 80s movies were, but without the authentic real world outside the theater context, those movies were feeding off of. It's just an echo, a reference, the equivalent of an old time video filter on a photo app. Hmm? All right. I was saying he's using a comic book template on his footage. I like how he's showing video footage of scenes he didn't even claim were in the movie. Well, his plot somewhere was pointless. I don't even know why he had it. Yeah, it is. Because he had to make references to the actual Joker. At this point, he's just making up things that don't happen in the movie. But he's showing video to that way we can see. Video filter on a photo app. And what little semblance of a point it does offer to make contradicts what little text it actually has. Arthur, all the bellows that society turned him into the Joker, but we and he just got done finding out that it was actually just his mother that was primarily responsible. Wow. What is this image? Is he really trying to put what happened to Arthur all on his mother? Yeah, this informs it all, guys. In his previous video, he said it's all because of a woman. And so here we go. This is how he rationalized it. Oh my God. His mom paid off the kids in the beginning. His mom told the clown to sell him the gun. I'm going to go steal my son's sign. His mom is the one that beat him when he was a child and tied him up to a furnace. His mom is the one that did everything bad to him ever. Okay. This is that his mom dealt with a system that couldn't take care of her as well. That's her fault. His mom also gave that tape to Murray. And then she told Murray to laugh at him.  My son, he needs less. Oh my God, man. This is why we do this. They watched the movie, but they didn't. That happens more times than it should, but it seems like it happens all the time. Where we have to ask, did you watch the movie you're trying to tell us about? Because we watched the movie, and we just don't follow at all with anything that you're saying. Oh my God. Even if it's a movie I don't like, I'll watch it a couple times so I can soak up everything. So I know what I'm talking about when I talk about it.  It's about nothing. So I'll just make a video after probably watching it once. The mom was behind it all. She puppeteered everything. She was the criminal mastermind. 40 times. Joker's so skinny. I'm so jealous. I'm gonna make a video trashes movie. I wish I could find my bones. Find my bones. Yeah, let's play it again. Make sure that's what he said. Pretty clear, but hey. What little text it actually has. Arthur Albert Bellows that society turned him into the Joker, but we and he just got done finding out that it was actually just his mother that was primarily responsible for like 90% of what happened. Like how he says it's just his mother that was primarily responsible for the drinks. Like, oh, so there was secondary things. No. It was a combination of multiple sources. Oh, that's not what I meant. Well, it's like you're saying everyone's been saying.  No one takes things from my mouth hole. And he said 90%. How do you qualify that? He qualified. Seriously, I didn't even hear that. He said 90%. Yeah, he said 90%. Hang on, I'm just going to play it so everyone hears it. Turned him into the Joker, but we and he just got done finding out that it was actually just his mother that was primarily responsible for like 90% of what happened.  Exactly. So nine out of 10 things that happened to him are his mother. All right. Okay. That's definitely, that can definitely be supported by scenes from the film. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's like a Truman set the kids to beat him up. His mom had a, it gave the gun to, I don't remember the character's name, but the other clown.  Do it. I don't know, Bob. This sounds like a bad idea. Do it, Harper. Do it. Do it. Do it. What movie did you watch, Bob? I was like, what?  All right.  He needs to learn this. It's like some twisted version of the Truman show.  At the end she's in the hospital and they're like, why did you do this to him? And she's like, I was bored. And the credits roll.  Yeah. He's an amusement author. I want to do movies. The movie Bob's like, wow, it was like mostly her. It's like 90% her. I was bored and now I'm dead.  What a weird world he lives in. And he killed her for it. In fact, if you pull out the ultimately meaningless references to other movies and comic book Easter eggs and ignore the filmmakers and Warner Brothers marketing have claimed the movie is about and just went by what's on screen, you might conclude that Joker is just a straightforward, if pointedly extra misogynist serial killer. Now he's misogynist. He's like, aside from everything else, no effort to watch this.  You did not watch this. He's not supporting the other claim. So why would we expect him to support that?  He takes care of his mother. She's in bed, he washes her, he feeds her. He does everything to provide for his mother. He, you know, makes up this whole relationship with a girl because he has her. He hates her. That's why he was being a relation. He is a misogynist. And the relationship he makes up is like romantic. He's never sexual, gross, or fetishy. It's just like this. He just wants to love someone and to be loved in a truth. His fantasy with Murray has them hug. Gay. That's Missandejo. He's not going to hug a woman. I saw this. I love how these people know what these words mean before they say them. What do you think? Okay, Rags. Using all of your movie Bob, how do you think he would rationalize the film as misogynist?  And there were other people who did bad things to him that he didn't kill. Therefore, he's being unfair to his mother. The woman was used as an object of desire instead of having a character. He wanted a healthy relationship with a woman. Hmm.  Movie Bob doesn't know what a relationship with a woman is. Cut him some slack. Oh, that poor man. I just... I don't know what it is about him, but every time we watch a video with him, he literally makes me physically ill. I... Let's... Let's see if he explains why. I feel like listening to a video from him is like sitting next to the fourth nuclear reactor in Chernobyl for like an hour. This is so painful. There is just... I've been provided an image that I think you guys will appreciate, okay? Well, it'll make you feel better, right? Okay, here we go. You guys ready? Yes. Okay, here we go. Oh! Oh, my God! Dick Ham-Hawk, Terepidus, and my blob. Oh, no! No! Oh, my goodness. Three Amigos. This is his arc. It's across the trilogy of movie Bob films. Oh, my God. It's incredible. Look at the wheels of the tricycle thing. Look at the wheels. Oh, my goodness. It looks like one wheel is about to fall off, too. Imagine just to scoot himself if you know what I mean.  So adorable. Oh, my God. The greatest thing that's ever happened to this world, and I love you. My goodness.  The three forms of Dick Ham-Hawk. Well, I overgot her. The three horsemen of the apocalypse. Oh, my God. Maybe this is describing, so you got like the genre films. You got like your noir movie Bob film. You're a superhero movie Bob film, and then you sci-fi movie Bob film. He's a very versatile actor, you see. Yes, intense stuff. No doubt. Here we go. There's drama about how the abused infantilized Arthur belatedly achieves psychotic manhood as the confident swaggering joker by escaping and killing the controlling abusive mother figure who'd infantilized him in the first place. Oh, so that is the justification for misogyny then.  Simple as that.   You can't have characters, okay? Having characters is evil. It has to be about the fact that the men and women... I don't know if that's the movie they intended to make, but that's the movie they kind of made. Now look, this is not like a take two of my joker review where I basically said it was mediocre and too empty to be upset about her. It's all you've pretty much said to me, so pretty much is. Doubling down on anything else, I sincerely felt that the manner in which the film managed to be self-righteously bland was worthy of a more in-depth elaboration, and this was that. He calls this an elaboration. Oh my god. He doesn't know what these words mean. It's surprising to say the least. I also don't think it was a film made lazily or with cynical intent. It's very possible that all of these less-than-functional decisions that I have observed were made with high-minded intentions and that Todd Phillips, etc. and the other filmmakers have very detailed heartfelt explanations for each one, but the thing about explanations is well, you want to take this one, Mr. J? If you have to explain a joke, then it is no joke! Um, yeah, but that's Stop! You dumbass! Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean nobody understands it, Bob. He clearly doesn't understand it.  I'm Bob, and that's the big picture. The only thing that's big about this picture is the size of the man that's telling it. I'm disappointed. There's no apology at the end of the video. Sorry you watched this. I'd appreciate that. I think it would be good for all of us. That hurt my brain. You did it! We killed him. Oh my god. It wasn't easy. Why is he like this? I don't know. Why can't he just be a normal person? Why does he have to be just the worst thing on YouTube? Someone chained him to a radiator and beat him with broccoli. It was a particularly tough branch of broccoli. Like, no please. I died. There's not much else to say. We've covered him quite a few times at this point.  In fairness, there was less of the crazy amount of loads of big words in one big set. Because he had a crazy one that made it into Gadelp too, because it was so out there. We had to write it all down. He didn't do it this time. I like that it says written and edited by Bob Shipman. Like that was an achievement. I would not put my name on anything that was remote. Congratulations Bob. You did the bare minimum.  Congratulations.  Technically.  Oh, thanks. But anyway, we have a main course. That was the small video. I know we're doing more. The thing is, Bob is tough not to pause. This one is, dare I say it, a better video. We're watching a good one. I have two and a half hours left before I have to do my other show. I was going to say, just let me know when you want to hop out and then they'll be fine. You made it through a whole movie Bob video. You're in the right. But yeah, there's a channel called Nando vs Movies and what he does is look at a movie he finds, let's say, a part of it that's lacking for that with a sort of a re-edit suggestion. He has one for Joker and I guess I'm more interested in what Wolf will think of his fixes. Sorry. Is this a good video or is this a bad video? I'm not going to make that claim. Let's see how it goes, shall we? It looks like his eyes are boring into my soul. Stop looking at me like that. Who needs two gauntlets? I don't know. There's something about this guy. Heaven's Gate cult territory. He could be Cry 5 and I would believe it.  Alright, alright, alright. Let's check it out. The movie Joker, which should not be a huge surprise since this video is about the movie Joker, but still I figured it was worth saying. Second, at the end of this video, I'm going to talk about a couple things that are important to me. So, even if you don't usually watch the entire video, I'd really appreciate it if you did this time. Okay. Cyanide is important. That's his biggest mistake. Cyanide is important. Oh my goodness. Before we get started, I've got to give Joker some credit. Joaquin Phoenix did a phenomenal job with Arthur. From the voice, to the mannerisms, to the laugh, he completely sold the character and deserves all of the praise he is getting. Hildre Gunadotter's score was also amazing and finally the production is up. I'm going to go ahead and say probably. I have no idea. I genuinely don't know how to pronounce her name. But I looked at her last name and I was like, oh, I can't. I'm not even going to try.  Alright. Cyanide and cinematography did that thing that all good Batman movies need to do. They made Gotham City into a character. Seems like a cliche, but it is legitimately very important, especially in this movie, and I think Joker handled Gotham City very well. With all that being said, I had quite a few problems with Joker, almost all of which stemmed from what I would argue was a pretty shallow script. Joker takes swings to some complicated topics, but I think it misses almost all of them. Why? Why? Why can't we have good things? Joker takes swings to a lot of complicated topics and misses all of them. That's what he said. Quite the claim! He's like, oh no. It's...  Why do you people exist? I don't know if he liked TLJ, honestly. He might have. I don't know. Okay, well, hold on. I'm going to look at his channel, and I'm going to guess that he does. I can't substantiate, because I never heard of him. Well, Jay said he's a good channel. Jay would know. Jay, does he like TLJ? Tell us. Reveal to us. He just said, Nando, no! You were the chosen one! It's okay, it's okay. Alright. He doesn't have many videos, actually. He doesn't have anything on TLJ. No, he does. Me writing Rose? That's it? Apparently he didn't like it. Apparently he didn't like it. It's okay, well... It's okay. For now, and I'll forgive you a little bit.  From what I would argue was a pretty shallow script. Joker takes swings at some complicated topics, but I think it misses almost all of them. From mental health to corruption, to society. I think Joker raised... Mental health, corruption, and society apparently missed all of them. Ooh. Oh my god. Like, really? I don't know, man. Like, none of them? Oh, apparently there's a quote from him saying, in a lot of ways, Star Wars The Last Jedi succeeded. Jay, you lied to us. Well... What do you know? It's almost like there's a trend of certain people. I guess that doesn't necessarily mean he liked it, right? He could just be saying that he didn't like it, but it is... But it didn't succeed in any way. It didn't succeed at all. I don't know. He didn't hate it, he didn't like it. Okay, he's middling on it. It misses almost all of them. From mental health, to corruption, to society. I think Joker raises many issues that it is not prepared to adequately address. And maybe my biggest individual issue with Joker concerns Arthur himself. He holds extreme views, which he uses to justify his actions, which would usually be a good thing. I want a protagonist with strong beliefs, like Batman. And especially if the protagonist is an anti-hero. Like, how Han believes- Will you please stop mentioning Batman?  I won't have to mention Batman.   He said that Joker has extreme views. Is he referring to awful people should be killed? As of you... I'm guessing? Doesn't he realize that the Joker actually has a character arc in this movie, and that he changes based on the information he's given? It just reminds me of, I don't know if you've seen a red light media video, but Jay of red light media, not Jay XC, said you know, Arthur starts out so downtrodden that his character has nowhere to go, and then Mike is like, No! And then he goes, what? Joker! He becomes Joker! For yourself, or even a villain like how Thanos holds some pretty strong beliefs about the universe and balance, it is not a problem that Arthur believes that the rich and powerful are making life worse for the rest of us, and it is not a problem that he takes that belief to the extreme, and uses that belief to justify murder and inciting a riot. That's good. He comes to that belief later on in the movie, if you actually watch it, because he says so many times, I don't care about politics, I don't care about any of that stuff, I just want to make people smile and laugh.  You would know these things. Who is this person so I can avoid their channel? It's only two minutes, we can give him a chance. I don't know, I'm waiting for qualifications. I'm not getting a lot here so far. He's not movie, Bob. I don't care. I don't care at this point, I'm like, did you watch it?  I mean, I'm trying to think of like He comes to that at the end of the movie, and he wasn't going to kill them, he was going to kill himself.  Yeah, and he definitely has the line about how you all walk past me sort of thing and that I think I'm going to let him speak for some more because I'm just like It's a good way for a real person to act, but it's good that Arthur has that reaction because it raises interesting questions. However, I believe Joker fails when it comes to doing anything interesting with those questions. It feels content with saying that people are bad and Arthur is bad and maybe he's right, who knows? What? They show why people are bad. Maybe he's right. Maybe he's right that everyone's bad, but not everyone's even bad. He literally spares somebody in this film for not being bad. Oh my god. So I have to watch this. I'm sorry. This is awful. What are you doing to us? There's a lot of bad Joker takes. We're 23 seconds. Oh no, we're 28. Are we two minutes in? 23 minute video?  This is definitely an issue of like, come on. The film wouldn't be saying everyone's bad. There's a seed devoted to the idea that a good person gets spares. I don't... Ah. Joker doesn't spend much time examining Arthur's beliefs critically. Outside of Murray at the very end of the movie, very briefly, no one stands up to Arthur challenges his beliefs. That's because nobody knows.  There's only people that do stand up to him or they die because he kills them. Not to... I really want to ask this guy like, okay, so tell me what you believe Joker's beliefs are and conclude that nobody... I'm trying to figure out the formula here because he's saying that he isn't challenged on his belief. His belief that what?  Didn't Murray challenge his beliefs right before he got his head blown off? Well, he says it like it doesn't count. Murray questions him and he's the only one to question him.  It's because he doesn't know that he's a psychopath killer. He reveals that right before he kills everyone. I would actually argue that it's Murray's challenge that crystallizes Joker. The fact that he's...    And I'm not saying that every movie needs to be a debate where opposing views are presented and a winner is decided but it does make the story pretty flat if the protagonist does not meet with any real opposition. Wait, wait, wait. Doesn't meet with any opposition? Any ideological foil you know, like the one at the end who told him to his face that not ever... You don't know me, Joker. Why are you people still... It doesn't count if it wasn't long enough. You people need to stop making videos. Isn't like as someone's just highlighted in chat, isn't the fact that people are ignoring him a part of it? A part of his issues? Like he's not seen, not recognized. Then that's why dancing on the car at the end is true because he's the center of attention. Challenged his views. Are you saying that the audience needs... We need someone to tell him that mass murdering is bad.  Seems to be arguing for like interest level. Like it's not interesting to not have him challenged just too shallow or whatever. I'm just like, I don't agree. Oh my God. Wolf is turning into the Joker. By your definition, what movie has... I want to see this guy give me a comparison. If he's saying that the Joker is lacking these things, show me one that isn't so I can see what your level of actual comprehensiveness is. He's going to reference Taxi Driver and King of Comedy because that's what everyone does. I'm sorry. No ideological foil. It feels shallow. Like let's look at Murray's exchange with Arthur for one second. The most complete attempt Joker makes at calling Arthur out. Murray says, are you finished? I mean, it's so much self-pity Arthur. It sounds like you're making excuses for killing those young men. Not everybody and I'll tell you this, not everybody is awful. My dinner was pretty great. That's a good point. And I wish one Joker spent more time with. What do you mean Joker actually agrees with not everyone's awful? He says it. Oh my God. This is someone's life for being kind. And then he calls Murray out. He says, yeah, I know not everyone's awful but look at you.  He calls him out on his own hypocrisy.  I'm not sure what this guy's after. We're gonna understand this better and better as we go along I think. That's a good point. And I wish one Joker spent more time with. It could be said that Arthur is using self-pity as an excuse to act without consequences. However, Murray is the wrong messenger to deliver that message. And this is where Joker's shallowness becomes an issue. Because in Joker everyone is awful. No. But carry on. You're wrong. The woman on the bus is rude to Arthur. That's not cartoonishly awful. Plenty of parents want to keep people who look weird away from their kids. Yeah, and she gave him a sympathetic look after reading the card and figuring out, oh, there's just something mentally wrong with him. There's nothing cartoonish about her. She needs to go to a bus stop and stare at somebody for a few seconds and see what happens. Even though he's just trying to make the kid laugh. Arthur's so fuss is rude to Arthur even though he's just trying to make the kid laugh. Arthur's social worker doesn't listen to him. Those kids. Arthur's social worker doesn't listen to him. That's the only thing we get to hear about that. I dare say it's tad more complicated than that. Her job is to listen and reflect on him and try and improve him as much as his job is getting taken away with just as much as his medication is. In a city that doesn't care about her or him. She's very... It's supposed to reflect the idea. The idea is like, oh, the therapist doesn't care about him. We dealt with this with Jenny. Are you aware of therapists that aren't particularly great at their jobs or therapists that aren't actually supposed to be doing these jobs? She's a social worker and she's trying to be the person that can bring Joker back together as someone who has had several therapists. None of which really said anything more than the exact same things that you could just find for free on a YouTube video. This is a thing that happens. Okay? Therapists don't generally care. Not everything is like goodwill hunting. I'm sorry to break it to you. Just like, um... And this is his list of like, you see, these people don't care.  Like, why is it... Jenny said the same thing. It was like, Jenny actually said you could see one of these things happening but you can't see all of them happening in a small amount of time. Society can suck, man.  We don't even have to use the word because it's too meme-y. But, uh, yeah. Also, Jay Longbone shall return from what I understand. Anyway. Steal Arthur's sign and beat him up for seemingly no reason. Arthur's... Um, okay. Goddamn.  So, have you guys ever heard of kids, like, delinquents doing something just to be mean as a group? Oh my god. Oh my god. Just pull up that video that you, uh... Oh, did Anna leave? Yeah. We've lost... It was just me and you, Noel. Oh, we got Jay Longbone back. Hello. Hello? We lost you and Anna. It was terrifying. Well, yeah. Molly, you can just pull up that video that you showed me in rags earlier.  Actually, yeah. Let's... I... You've made me want to actually do that. Yeah. See if I can find it. Incredibly applicable here. If you guys want to see, like, a sense of justice ever. This is gonna be it. Do you, uh... Do you know where it is? I'm trying to find it. Uh... It was before... It was because I remember sending you the pothole one. Oh, there it is. I found it. Okay. Give me a second chat. So, the question is, would kids really be such means? Would they really? Let me... see you guys as well. Oh, unless you already post it. So, this is the link. No, the thingy. I can put that back on. Do you want to sync it up? Yes. Hold on. I'll pull it up right now. All right. I'm on zero on the video. Okay. So... Oh, that doesn't look quite right to the... Yeah. You can still see the movie ball picture to me. Um... Three, two, one, go. Can you hear me? Uh, give us... Just give us, uh, 30 seconds or so.  So sad. What he curb stumps the kids face. It's so satisfying. So, yeah. Kids can be assholes. Like, that's kind of the point we're getting at here. Uh, and if they're in a group where they're encouraging each other to be even more asshole-y, like, look at the clown guy with the sign. I'm going to distract him. One of you knock the sign out of him and then we'll run with it.   Um, so the idea is like, why are they doing this? The children have no motivation to do this. Like, dude. They don't need a motivation.  I can't believe it. Do you guys remember seeing that video? Yeah, this girl on it. Like, her Instagram, uh, like, story thing. She did Instagram live and she puts her dog in the dryer. And she laughs about it.  Do you remember the YouTuber as well who, like, spat on your dog? Yeah. I remember covering that. Oh, yeah, I remember that. I like the, and we established this as a terrible city. Like, so there's ways. YouTubers who are like, people aren't this made. Why would you do this? What kind of sheltered life do you live in? That's exactly the point.   Yeah, this guy's soundproof walls actually become really symbolic. You think about it? Arthur's social worker. Those kids steal Arthur's sign and beat him up for seemingly no reason. Arthur's boss blames Arthur for what happened to the sign even though why would Arthur steal a going out of business sign? Arthur's co-worker lies about giving Arthur the gun.  Wait, is that something that he thinks shouldn't have happened? The lying about giving the gun thing? Is he just labeling things that are bad now? I don't know. I'm just... Look, okay, so if you...      That's going to scare people. And, uh... Yeah, he not only did that. He also said that he claimed that Arthur tried to buy the gun off him, right? Like, he double-screwed him. I think... Did he say buy the gun or buy the bullets? I can't remember. Oh, um... I guess it doesn't really matter, because... I think he says... thing he said you tried to buy a gun off him a week ago. The implication being he refused that gun and then Joker got one from somewhere else. That sort of thing. Apparently, I'm being told we shouldn't be making arguments that these things happen in real life and thus they're okay to happen in the film. We should be arguing from in-universe. Why? Okay, so... I'm just going to... Let's be nice, right? So there are human beings in this film being depicted. No, no, we're not going to be nice. This is, like, really retarded point.   That, like, you can't... You can't compare it to real life yet.  Well, here's the thing, like... Can you name one thing that happens in this movie that is unrealistic to real life? One thing. Uh, riots, they only happen in 2000s plus. One thing. Right. Sorry, it's a bad point because we're talking about human beings in this film being depicted. We're drawing real life references to what human beings do and say and act. There's a reason why... So, if you go strictly from in-universe rules then we have to start wondering, is this species human? I don't know, they haven't declared that in the film yet. Obviously, we take stuff from real life in order to apply rules. What fiction needs to do is tell us when they deviate from real life if they're depicting something close to it. So, like, if you have a fictional world, like Looper, for example, everything is mostly the same, except there's time travel and people have telekinesis and so they do... they try and establish that very quickly because everything else is the same. You'll understand everything else, just make sure you get those things. So the idea is just like, people aren't this mean. It's like, yes they are. That's the point we're making. You can't appeal to real life and call this unrealistic because life is this cruel as well. But we wouldn't say the film is good because it's depicting people being mean and people are mean in real life. That's not the argument we're making. We're trying to establish that saying it's unrealistic is inaccurate. Yep. And you can absolutely appeal to real life if you're trying to define whether or not something is possible in a film that's essentially grounded. That's kind of where I was going with that. There's a principle you can apply to lots of different things like that. Like I said, Lord of the Rings is in trouble because it's almost all without understanding what life is. The only thing you really retain is stuff like Lord of the Rings. It's like, oh well character. People work a certain way like they do in real life and so you need to be realistic.  Like you got, what are all the species? How do they all hang out? Where are all the places? Where are all the rules? What are the borders? What's all the powers?  Wolf, do you know of Lord of the Rings? I think you'd like it. Do you know of the Hobbit movies? I think you'd like it. Unfortunately. Anyway. Okay, let's do this one too. So you find out that a crazy man came to your house.  He comes to you personally and says Daddy. Oh my god. Not saying that Thomas Wayne isn't a jerk in this film, that's fine, I don't mind that. But the idea that he punched him for like no reason or something is like, there's a reason. The fact that he only punched him should say a lot about Thomas Wayne's restraint. I am. He could have had him arrested. He talked to him for a minute or two. He explained to him that his mom was not telling him the truth and he got his buttons pushed and then he punched him. It's like, come on, context, dude. You have to have the context there. And yeah, because this is all... Go ahead.  And this is all to aid in the idea that the world is like cartoonish like a real order. The idea of the world is cartoonishly cruel.  So you have left confused. That's not clear at all. And I don't know. I don't know. Does it make you cruel to consume and critique someone else's work? I don't know, guys. What are we doing right now? Uh-oh. We're Satan, man. If you criticize someone, you are the embodiment of Satan. Well, we did drive tonal off the internet. I guess we are. I actually am so sad about that. Still, tonal, come back. You're my favorite person on the face of YouTube. I need you to come back. On national television. And Arthur's mom may have lied to Arthur about his father. May have. What does he keep saying may have for these things? We know the answer. So this is what I've heard online. So if you cite the papers at Arkham, they say that Thomas Wayne could have paid to have them doctored. Based off of what? The fact that he's rich and evil.    That's some theories I've heard. I mean, I just, I don't think... I need to watch the film again to get a full refresh, but whatever. That's not the point he's making right now anyway. He's trying to say that everything's mean, and I guess I'm waiting for him to say like it's unrealistic or something. Out his father. And on top of all of that, and I know how dumb this sounds, but society seems to have left Arthur behind. Oh, wow. Be like the point of the movie. The mental health program is shut down. There's a garbage strike, super rats, and out of touch Plutocrat is running for mayor, and the citizens of Gotham have become a violent mob. Everyone is awful. And that gives Joker an excuse not to question Arthur's beliefs. It's too simple. An interesting move. Wait, so, like, the problem is that it's implied that he just should start shooting people? Is that what he's trying to say? Like, oh, he concludes after all of this. Yeah, he's just gonna start shooting people live out here. He's gonna incite riots, and the film isn't saying anything about how wrong that is. It's like... I mean... I've got some arguments for why those sorts of things could add badly. But this is kind of where I'm at in terms of this movie being it doesn't want to take a side and definitively claim that either the people or the rich, the class divide, like one of them is right, because I think the film's point is that neither of them are right. And so the idea that he's not challenged enough is Thomas Wayne challenged enough, because he was killed. That counts as some form of a challenge, right? Only in your subjectively objective opinion. Alright then. An interesting movie would feature a more complex society. It's easy to compare Joker to the two movies that it's clearly borrowing a lot of its themes and visuals and actors from Taxi Driver. Hey, it's like bingo at this point. So if I was actually doing a photo... You know, like when I did... Okay, go ahead. At this point, I've never seen King of Comedy. I've never seen Taxi Driver. I don't even really know too much of Scorsese's works. But at this point, it's like I'm gonna probably hate this movie or these movies just to spite these people. They keep getting brought up. I watched King of Comedy and I didn't like it, but I do not like Scorsese movies. The only reason I watched King of Comedy was because I was told that this movie seemed like it was going to be a similar plot. And while there's similar things about it, I feel like the Joker is different enough. It reminds me of... I like the both of them. I think that they're very strong. I actually would say that Taxi Driver is better than I like it. And what I mean by that is I don't like it as much as I think it is very good. I just, it doesn't... I don't respond very well to Travis Bickle as a character. I don't really like him. It's kind of like Daenerys up until season 8 where I was like I think she's perfectly well written. I just don't like her. And you might be like... You like Joker? I'd be like... I kind of like Arthur. I can see how all of it worked out and I think that there could have been a good guy there. I don't really feel the same way about Travis Bickle but that's a whole other conversation. Same for Rupert Pupkin by the way. He's the character from King of Comedy. We need more... You know how I reference a new hope?  And like the point I'm trying to make in my TFA series was that they copy them but then they don't copy the mechanics that led to these events and so their story is like worse for it because they're kind of like the parrot thing that Movie Bob was saying where you take the parts that everyone remembers and you put them in yours but you don't earn your way there and so you just got this hollow copy and that's what a lot of people feel about TFA and I think it's very provable. With Taxi Driver and King of Comedy the best people have is King of Comedy, a guy who wants to be on a TV show that's very comedy focused.  It's like, you gotta be more specific than that.  Taxi Driver, a guy who is, well I was about to say down in his luck, he's not really. He chooses he's actually quite rich, he admits to this, he's got, well not rich but he's got a lot of funds he doesn't know what to do with. He's a Taxi Driver that works a lot of hours. He's in a world that he sees as like disgusting and depraved but he only views the world from specific angles. Like he goes to the depraved areas. He goes out at night so he's very biased and he gets there's a lot of complicated elements to Taxi Driver that I probably shouldn't go into right now.  So we'll give him a shot here but I've seen the both of these films and I know them relatively well so we should be able to survive this portion of the video. The visuals and actors. Well what I meant by the way by the not down in his luck is that Arthur totally is to an extreme degree. They're not in the same situation they're not in the same cities. That's kind of where I was going with that. From Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy both Scorsese masterpieces about an out of touch loner and society. However I think both of those movies do something very specific that Joker does not. Something that helps to explore the beliefs of the protagonist. They're valuing way. So that brings me to my one small change. I believe Joker could easily introduce a character who is not awful. Doesn't have to be perfect.  Oh my god. We're going to let him continue but we will put a notation. We will put a notation. There is a seed that explicitly states there is a Goodman and he is spared because he is a Goodman. Just putting it out there. I'm going to let you continue. Listen. That's a footnote. Who is not awful. Doesn't have to be perfect. Just someone that can call him on his BS. We can use that character to learn more about Arthur and society. Get a more nuanced view on all of the themes of the movie. In Taxi Driver this character is Betsy played by Civil Shepherd. The Palantyne and Joker it's Robert De Niro and Gary. So almost like you didn't watch the movie. You simpleton.   Like come on man. Go talk to the girl man. Stop stalking her man. You can make an argument for Harley Quinn. For reference for you guys she's working on Palantyne's goal to become local like I think he might be running for president. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. He like stalks her at first. Travis Bickel and then he asks her out. They talk about a lot of different things.  Let's put it that way and he doesn't get it. Like there's this conversation in the film where he's like don't people go to see stuff like this and it's just because he's got a very warped view of reality. She I don't know if I go as far as saying she really calls out his ideas. There's no real debate between them.  I don't know if I'd describe it as she's opposite in the film. There's certain bits of dialogue that I'd say challenging his ideas but I'm I'm also curious what exactly he means by having a character that what would this theoretical character talk to Joker about? Like you realize society isn't that bad right? You'd be like okay thanks Like Arthur you realize there's a lot of good people out there Arthur and he's just like great I look forward to meeting them one day Travis Pickle Bickel Bickel Travis Pickle This is the thing like this is very I get half baked would be the choice of words I'd have I'm still maybe he's going to explain it I'll just let him carry on Who Travis courts goes on a date with and then embarrasses himself in front of Taxi driver is about this dirty disgusting version of New York that Travis hates and wants to clean up and that belief isn't necessarily held by Betsy but she is also working for a politician who wants to make changes so she represents the idea of change and her and Travis get along until she exposes the contradiction at the heart of Travis he thinks New York is a dirty disgusting mess that he also participates in he takes her to the pornographic movie theater on a date and that highlights the fact that Travis takes part in this system that he believes needs to be destroyed I don't know that to a degree sure but Travis doesn't understand what's wrong he is very explicit he's like this is something that people do even on their way into the show or movie she's like are we going to see a normal movie and then he's like no no no he literally says I see couples seeing this stuff all the time like he's based how he operates in society from what he's seen while simultaneously not realizing that all he views is like the underbelly sort of thing but I'm still curious where he's going with this exactly that's why he can't go on a date with and have a normal relationship with Betsy it's the internal contradiction of Travis Bickle and you can only get at that with a character like Betsy I didn't get at that through hair it was through the movie you see him make a lot of decisions push him into that direct I feel bad obviously because you I'm assuming all three of you haven't seen Taxi Driver so I'm the only one that can really comment on this portion I've seen it but it was like a long time ago like when I was a kid do you watch this as a kid? yeah I guess in fairness I watched Alien when I was yeah I watched a lot of shit yeah the point being is that you can tell by watching the film that he's a contradictive human being he has a lot of harsh views that aren't exactly fueled by anything strictly coherent like I said it's a really good film I just don't I don't agree that Joker is improved by having a character that tells him hey maybe you shouldn't hate society as much as you do because it's not all bad I don't understand how Joker benefits from that he's outside of that world and can highlight Travis' contradiction the same can be said of Diane Abbott's Rita Keen in the King of Comedy in the King of Comedy Robert De Niro plays Rupert Pumpkin an aspiring standard Ohhhhhhh he's a stalker in that movie Rupert PUPPKIN his name is PUPKIN and there's a joke in the film where everyone pronounces his name wrong and one of the wrong pronunciations is PUPPKIN and he just said PUPKIN Damn you! You're supposed to pay attention! His name is Rupert Pumpkin! It's okay. But yeah, um, I guess, yeah, let's see what his description of this is. Outside of that world, and can highlight Travis' contradiction. The same can be said of Diane Abbott's Rita Keen in The King of Comedy. In The King of Comedy, Robert De Niro plays Rupert Pumpkin, an aspiring stand-up comedian who is obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford and wants to be on his show. And Rupert both desperately wants to be a stand-up comedian, but does not want to do the work necessary to be a stand-up comedian. He's very determined when it comes to things like sitting in offices and making sure people get tapes. Doesn't he, um, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure like the opening time he talks to Jerry explains that he's been doing all of the shows and he's not getting anywhere. Yeah. He does. And he records his little tapes so that way he can send them out to places and he's tired of just doing that because he hasn't gotten noticed. So that's why he goes to the office. That's why he's that persistent. That's why he becomes a stalker because he can't make it the regular route that everyone is telling him to. And that's one of the things that he insists on even at the end of the movie when he finally goes on the show and he's like, the only reason I'm here is because I have this guy held up at gunpoint. You all are laughing now, but you're going to freak out when you find out that it's true because I did everything right and that didn't work. So I had to go to these extremes to make this happen.  Did this guy not watch this movie either? I think he's trying to slightly twist both of the films to really solidly present the argument that the presence of a character that contradicts them is what made them strong or something like that. But I'm already rushing ahead in my head here. The character that Rita plays, she's not really in this film that much. She's almost like a tag along basically for reference for the people who haven't seen this film. He tells this girl from high school that he's like super famous and doing great. When he's not, he's doing terribly. And then he imagines a conversation with the TV host and I'm pretty sure we see him imagine it. If I remember he's in an office with Jerry and they're really good friends suddenly and they're discussing how he's going to go to his mansion and it makes no sense at all. In terms of continuity because Jerry doesn't even want to get anyone near him.  And then we later see him invite that character to Jerry's mansion or whatever it is.  You've just come into my house uninvited because he gets in through like a servant, I guess. And the idea that the girl is there to challenge him doesn't even make much sense to me because Jerry is directly challenging him.   We shouldn't have just come here and invited. Yeah, she just apologizes. Like, I'm sorry. We'll leave. You know? Someone in chat said Rupert was lying. He never performed anywhere. I don't know that we can say that definitively, can we? We don't have any proof of that. He just, because they don't go to show flashbacks or anything. He just says that he's been doing it for a long time. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if we can be definitive either way on that one, but it's possible. But he's not determined when it comes to working in comedy clubs and getting there the way all the rest of the comedians do. He instead likes to pretend he's already a part of that world. And that's where Diane Abbott's Rita comes in. An old friend from high school who Rupert goes on a date with. And during the date, he lies to her about being friends with Jerry. Where a character like Sandra Bernard's Masha exists within this diluted celebrity-obsessed world. Rita exists outside of it. And when Rupert does something pretty bizarre, like goes to Jerry Langford's house unannounced, Reed is able to call out how strange that is. Okay, do you see how many people were present in that screenshot?  You've got two housekeeper people and you've got Jerry here and they're all like, you're kind of insane. Having her say it, honestly, it's kind of less meaningful for her to say it than Jerry because Jerry is the one that he imagined the conversation with.  This isn't really even what he's saying it is. The idea that it provides a counter ideologically to the character's viewpoint. He denies all of it anyway. He finds Jerry's being extremely rude and that the girl is sort of like... I can't remember specifically, but he's not... This doesn't convince him. Pupkin follows through throughout the whole film. There's never a point where he thinks, you know what, maybe I'm wrong.  The only part where he kind of changes is when the guy tells him, I only told you like, I'll listen to your tape to get rid of you. Right, yeah, which doesn't make him better. It makes him worse. But yeah, so this is kind of where I'm at right now in terms of discussing Taxi Driver, King of Comedy and Joker.  And so you have these people being like, ah, I just kind of ripped stuff out of them. And I'm like, what specific stuff are you talking about? Like, these are very different characters in very different worlds with very different problems. Because the idea is that because Pupkin has imagined stuff, just like Joker imagined the girlfriend. See, that's kind of what I mean. And before anyone assumes anything, I'm not putting all of these arguments into this guy's video. I'm just saying this is all stuff I've heard around these films. So far, the only problem I've got with his assessment is that he's, I don't know, missing a couple of things out of both these movies. I'm more curious how he's going to get to back to Joker, I guess. Reality check. Who can call Rupert on his contradiction? So if I could make one small change to Joker, I would introduce a character into the movie. Well, that's not exactly right. I would not unintroduce a character. Sophie, played by Zazie Beatz, would not spend most of the movie as a hallucination. She would be actually dating Arthur. For those who don't remember. The odd reason why she would have to do that. Oh my God. I like that we're already stuck. We're like, excuse me, sir, you're rewrite, we have an issue. Okay, well, we'll let him continue because let's just imagine for a second that she's just dating him from the get go. We don't even know why. They're just a happy couple, which changes a lot about this film. But okay, that's the case. For those who don't remember, or people who haven't seen Joker, but don't care.  After a brief friendly interaction, Arthur follows Sophie to her job at the bank. Then she shows up, unannounced at Arthur's apartment. Is remarkably cool with being stalked. Goes with Arthur to his open mic night. Goes on another date with Arthur, meets Arthur at the hospital. And even does other things. But then Arthur goes to Sophie's apartment. And it is revealed that Arthur was imagining their interactions. The nice girl didn't actually like him.  Then maybe- Oh, that's another one for the bingo board people. Everybody thinks the flashbacks are dumb. They're like knocking you over the head as if we couldn't figure it out. I've always just like this. And I still stand by what I said the last time I was on. Yeah, I wish I said it the last time.   First off, if it took away from the film, that would be one thing. But it doesn't take away from anything. It's such a stupid- I'm already realizing that this story no longer works. You have to have her get killed, kidnapped, or she leaves him. You have to have one of those things happen now.  Because there's a good chance, especially if they're not a healthy relationship but a relationship that's working enough that they're together, then he's gonna find comfort in her, isn't he? Is this gonna be why they're together? Doesn't that severely alter this film to a drastic degree? I guess he wanted to be kind of like that animated killing-drug movie where he had a kid and a wife. And then he loses it and then he goes crazy, which is, you know, cliche. Maybe he's about to do that in this rewrite. She'll get killed or something.  Well, because I actually just read the killing joke a few days ago for the first time, so. I haven't seen the movie, but people tell me not to, so I think I'm gonna go with that. Dumb moment, because Joker trades an interesting character who also happens to be one of two female main characters and the single main character of color for a lame reveal. Oh. I don't know if you guys call that. I'll just play it again because that's not an argument to me. Play what? The video?  Oh, nothing played for me. Oh, is it playing now? No. Hold on. I'm gonna refresh the page. Okay. There's no way this is a small change. Yeah, you cannot call this a small change. Are you back in? I'm imagining this. Is that working? Let me step forward. All right then. Hello? Hello? Hello? I don't know what happened. Is it up for you now? It's up. Okay, now I'll be right. Okay. Imagining their interactions. The nice girl didn't actually like him.  Then maybe he kills her. Who knows?  What? Wait for it. Also happens to be one of two female main characters and the single main character of color for a lame reveal. That's the reaction I was expecting. He describes what happens in the film as dumb and then he proceeds to say that it's bad because she's one of the two main female characters and the only character of color who's a main character. So like just extending his logic out if you are a person of color and female you should not be a hallucination. I'm going to keep that in mind for a future reference. I'm trying not to be someone's hallucination. What a weird thing to say, but okay. One of two female main characters and the single main character of color for a lame reveal. It is both not worth it and not particularly effective.   That's not boring as hell at all. Honestly I'd be surprised if a lot of the audience members if say for example this relationship was real like her dying would almost seem like well you got to do that. She's got to get killed I guess because what else are you going to do?  He's got to have something to fight for or go crazy over and it's got to be a chick dying or his kid dying.  It's like taken with Joker. Hey I'd watch that.  Jokin. He's coming for all their lives and they thought he was just jokin. Oh my god. I want to see a photoshop of Liam Neeson with clown makeup now. Yes. Make it happen everyone. Yeah also I just wanted to point out we just got a... I don't know like you had the misogynist take from Bob and now you've got like don't kill people of color. It's like why did the identity politics bleed right in randomly as well? Like that felt like it came out of nowhere.  Like don't hallucinate her. Don't hallucinate her. It's rude to hallucinate.  That's what we want. Yes we soldier on. Someone just separated the J-O-A from the Q-U-I-N in Joaquin's name for jokin. It would actually work. It's really good. I like that. So I'm going to walk you through how making Sophie not a hallucination would address quite a few of Joker's issues and give you an idea of what this alternate version of Joker would look like. So you have to start with the meet cute. First thing we need to slightly change the first encounter between Sophie and Arthur. Since they are actually going to be dating there needs to be to demonstrate his value to Sophie. Show her that he can be a good guy. You're changing his character now. Apparently Jay just had to google it and it exists already. What does? Joker. Liam Neeson is the Joker. Here we go. That doesn't surprise me to be honest with you. I don't want to say this. It's not really good but I mean the fact that it already exists is not right. What's with like good on you? It's done with like paint I guess. What was the context for who made this? They like Liam Neeson and the Joker? I guess so. It's very strange. Reason to like him besides just holding an elevator. I think this one's easy. Arthur can use his clown talents to cheer up Sophie. He can use his clown talents to woo the woman. I get close to the sun and then I get them painted. Do you remember how she does the shot to the head and makes a sound and outside the elevator he goes hey. She looks at him and then he does the same thing and she's just like okay. So like he's not great with people. He doesn't even understand why that would be interpreted as like a creepier thing to do. He thought he was just sending back what she sent to him. The idea that we turn him into a person who could feasibly successfully have a female be like wow you're awesome. It kind of changes his position. But okay let's see what else he's got. Sophie's kid. He's good with kids. He does seem to be a genuinely good clown. So Arthur makes the kid smile and brimming with confidence Arthur asks Sophie out to dinner. First date. Arthur takes Sophie to a comedy club. But in this version he is not performing. They are just there to see a comedian a comedian I love and have been following since the last comic standing days. His HBO special The Great Depression is so funny and just nonplugged. But it's a good date. Okay. It sounds so much worse than the one that we actually watched. That felt odd. The Great Depression is so funny. End of nonplugged. And it's a good date. Like in real life with the right comedian comedy club can be a great first date. Especially for Arthur because this is where he spends a lot of his time. People know him. And Arthur shares people know him and like changing the movie.  This would make any sense. We need to disconnect him from all of these things. That's the point. It's like these people just don't want a movie about the Joker. They want to feel good movie where at the end he becomes a good person. Keep it going I guess. This is his dream of being a comedian with Sophie. And she's encouraging. Maybe he can do it someday. Now there's a balance. Arthur's fired. Things around him are going poorly. But Sophie's giving Arthur some hope. Now second date. I like the idea of Sophie going to the open mic with Arthur. Maybe he bombs in the beginning but not quite as badly. It goes fine. And Sophie's supportive. He just needs practice. And Arthur kind of gets that. He's doing okay. But then we get the Thomas Wayne revelation. And before Arthur confronts his mom he tells Sophie. Sophie tells him to drop it. And then he takes it from a single mother. No good will come of it. What do you mean take it from a single mother? What is that supposed to mean? So he just basically wants like a dark romantic tragedy movie. That's what he wants. I didn't sign up to watch that movie. I don't want to watch this. It's a different movie.  But it's like she's only used some kind of talisman for him. It's just a tool for him to explore a different type of relationship. I need to find out is Joker still in theaters because I kind of want to watch it again just to spite these people. I'll do it. Fourth time watching the movie. Fine. I guess Google doesn't want to work for me right now.  I'm going to go grab some food. I'll be right back. I love how he doesn't even include Arthur's mental illness and how the girlfriend would deal with that and how she would respond to it. It's kind of awkward. The way he describes it. Arthur's just kind of awkward and that's it. It does actually sound like a DACA romantic comedy. You see the trailer. I love you too. It's a really crappy musical.  The meme only made you woke up. And then I'm just picturing this super generic film which is not what this was going for. Yes. Sophie brings perspective to Arthur. So a part of the reason why Arthur does what he does is because he doesn't have full perspective. He doesn't understand fully what everybody's doing and why they're doing it.   But as the psychiatrist explains, it's not like the whole world is out for him.   All right. It's a nitpick not unlike my podcast mostly nitpicking. Please subscribe.  All right. Going strong. What did I miss? Nothing. Nothing. He plugged his podcast Anna, check it out, okay? Check out his podcast. It's a nitpick not unlike my podcast mostly nitpicking. That's a massive name for a podcast. What's it called? Mostly nitpicking. They have an episode on the boys.  I want to see that. What makes you think this is a viral video? Does that matter anyway? It's Murray Franklin playing a clip on his show. You guys see this. This is really this is really, really good. Let's see. Oh no. That's so creepy. No theme, nothing. It's poisonous. Joke has had enough of this society, man. Hunchback of blood redom. I feel for Joker in this image too. Poor guy. Yeah, so I don't like this. The way people are framing this.  It's the 80s. They don't have it.  This is not impossible for the 80s nor is it unheard of. Can we please drop the whole reaction stuff as orderly now?   People would parody that or repeat that because it's popular. It's famous.  I want to die. I want to die. I wouldn't ever want it. I don't even kind of understand how that happens at all. Let's have Sophie have submitted the tape from the open mic. Maybe Mary has... Why is that mole believable? Why would she submit a tape where he didn't get a good reaction? It just sounds like she wants to humiliate it. She humiliated it. Oh my lord. Honey, why did you give my tape to the guy that got TV? Because I love you Joker. So she's just delusional of him then. Maybe. I don't know if that's where he's going with this. Because she's supposed to be the counter, right? Okay. This is a sort of contest for aspiring stand-up comedians where if you send their video in and they do well, Mary will have them on the show. She sees Arthur set and she's like, oh, maybe this is good enough. He established that people weren't enjoying it that much. She's like, maybe this is good enough. Oh my god. Why would she do this? Why would she wait until he delivers what makes everyone laugh?  It makes it even funnier. It makes it even funnier when you picture him.  That's the move.     He's like, I don't know. What is this? I don't know. It's a rewrite. Accept it. It's a rewrite. Oh my god. I hope he never becomes a writer. Ever. I hope he hones his craft. Some people just shouldn't do what they want to do. Sometimes you're just not good at it and you need to accept it. He can aspire to be better. It's tough to be better than the joke. Here's the thing. You can aspire all you want, but you just don't get the things you want. I'm on the show. She sees Arthur set and she's like, oh, maybe this is good enough. So she secretly sends this tape to Murray Frank.  This is horrible.   He points it here. Everything that's wrong with society is your fault. It's just like, oh no. Okay. No. It was predominantly worse. It seems like a nice thing and it just seems more plausible. More plausible? No. Less plausible. Less plausible, more funny. This man is going to make me pee from laughter. It's too good. It's a nice thing and it just seems more plausible. But Arthur sees this video on the show and he's made a fool of. So he blames Sophie. They can get into fights. Wait, wait. What happened? They got into a fight. How many kills in this one? How many people would say that this movie was misogynist? Oh yeah. She was just trying to help him and he killed her.  It might be that he's going with it. I don't know. He blames Sophie. They can get in a fight and she leaves. And then Arthur goes and confronts Thomas Wayne. He's spinning out of control. Thomas tells Arthur that his mom was crazy. This makes Arthur feel even worse. Also, let's have some people recognize Arthur on the street from the Murray Franklin show and make fun of him. Show that there are some consequences to him being on TV. But then, Arthur gets a call from the Murray Franklin show and learns that Murray wants to have him on. This is just the film now. Is that it? That's his edit? Maybe there's more to this. The idea that he needed a girlfriend.  Okay, let's see if he changes everything else. This is huge what an opportunity. This will be the first kiss between Arthur and Sophie. Wait, what? Yeah, after she humiliated him. I've clearly missed something. Hang on. Let's go back. But then, Arthur gets a call from the Murray Franklin show and learns that Murray wants to have him. Someone in the chat said, how about another joke, Sophie? Sophie. This is huge what an opportunity. This will be the first kiss between Arthur and Sophie. Sophie and Arthur work together on new material. Oh, so they have a fight. She leaves. He gets a call saying he's going on the show and they get back together and kiss. Wait, wait, so he did he leave out the entire part of him murdering people on the subway for harassing a woman? I don't know. The problem is when you do a rewrite, you need to tell us what you've kept. Oh, no, what he's kept. I know he's dropped apparently. I'm guessing everything else stays the same, but then if it does, I'm getting lost, Mr. Nando. This will be the first kiss between Arthur and Sophie. Sophie and Arthur work together on new material. It's good. I don't believe for a second that she would stay with him if he flipped out on it after they just had a date for the first time. You know what I mean? That's a fucking... as red flags go.  Because then you also think she's not only thinking about herself, she's thinking about her child.  Apparently this version of Sophie is an absolute retard. She's a plot device at this one. And you could be like, well, she's a plot device at the other one. I'd be like, no, she's like a full-on character in the other one that has nothing to do with Arthur. She's freaked out by the attempt at almost converting her into a plot device for him is thwarted because it's not real.  Wait, let's see what else he does. I'm curious what else is going to happen in this film now that she's back at it. Sophie and Arthur work together on new material. It's good stuff. Arthur's happy. But then Arthur finds the picture with Thomas Wayne on it. So Arthur continues to investigate. Hold on. Well, I have something completely else to say about Sophie. So he said that she sends in the tape thinking it's good to Murray Franklin, which is what causes the outburst in the first place. Now she's going to work with Arthur. Clearly, if she thought that the first tape was good, she doesn't have a good gauge of what good comedy is. Well, neither does he. So why in the world? Why in the world would they work together?  This is such a stupid... I don't like this vision. Oh my god. But he blames Thomas Wayne. Wayne must have institutionalized Arthur's mother to keep the secret, and Arthur becomes even more obsessed with Thomas. I wonder if there's going to be like a Chris Stuckman situation with this, where he'll like cry over this? Tell that to Zod snap neck. Do you guys know the context for that? I feel like Anna probably knows at least. Oh, okay, good. Fucking... Do you know about Chris Stuckman's rewrite for Batman vs. Superman? No. Tell her. Well, I mean, I don't know it word for word. Which is... I haven't really seen much of it. I saw the reaction to the end of the video. I haven't seen the actual video. We should do an e-fab where we read a script out. Well, Fringy.  So the idea is like I think that he's written a scene where they like try to chastise each other Batman and Superman for not being like moral enough or whatever. It goes something along the lines of this.  He's like trying to get justice through horrible memes. And then like Batman's response is like tell that to Zod snap neck. No, that's not real. He did that. He was proud of it at first. He was proud of it at first.  I just tried to bury it. He posted a video like Yeah, he was so proud of it. He posted a video of him like reciting the lines and oh god.  And there's a line in the video where he says something to the effect of and I wrote this in only 20 minutes pretending that it was so much better than what we actually got. Stop talking. Stop talking. You're not helping yourself. Yeah. I was great of finding that out. He's also, he has this video that he's, I think he's gotten rid of now but you can still find it on YouTube. Just look for Chris Stuckman, Redlet Media Response or something like that. Yeah, I saw that. Redlet Media just said like cause they have that new review series. It's one of their first ones I think and they're like, oh look we're sitting in a chair and we've got a red background with those pricks Rich Evans is like, which pricks? He's like, you know the pricks with a red background. They just show like three icons. One of them is like Almond Skeptic. I think it's Jeremy Johns' Almond Skeptic and Chris Stuckman.  You have a red background that's all he said. He's got this video where he's like I can't believe he did this.  And then he said quickly after that, I wasn't mad or anything. But it was an impulse decision.  Jesus Christ. I wasn't mad though. Genuinely, if I was called a prick by Rich Evans on a Redlet Media video I would feel like I've ascended. It would be amazing. The funny thing is people in the comments of that video were like saying exactly that that they would feel proud of the fact that they were insulted by him. It's just wonderful.  But he took it like really personally. Anyway. He said he DMed him and said are we good? We're good, right? We're good. It's funny because like he told me a wolf bet. It's pretty much that. Okay. I unfriended him on Facebook. Sorry anyway, Nando. Carry on. He's playing this so out of order. Also, was she confronting about it? Was it his jokes? Yeah, because didn't they just get back together? Yeah. Okay. So he he already had the guy go confront Thomas Wayne, but it's like the scene that he's showing with Bruce Wayne happened before.  Like really dude? Really?  Hey man, he thinks it's better, okay? It's fine. And we get this big confrontation between Sophie and Arthur. Arthur walks into the apartment, finds Sophie holding the jokebook.  Where'd you find that? She's holding a jokebook.  It's a jokebook. Where'd you find that? Is it on the table? Okay. Alright, sorry. I'll take this seriously. What's gonna happen? Into the apartment, finds Sophie holding the jokebook.  Where'd you find that?  He gets what he deserves? That's not knock knock. What?  That doesn't make sense.  Okay. Okay. Took everything from my family. It's nice how these people who really don't like this movie you're trying to rewrite it and remove the subtlety from the film.  Okay.  He took everything from my family.  Dude, what does that remind you of? A certain TV show?  He took everything from me.  Yes, you're on par with Batwoman now. Congratulations. Yeah, for reference anybody, go watch EFAP React 2 Episode 6 of Batwoman. What are you talking about?  The whole episode. All of it. Nando may have been inspired by Batwoman. I don't know. Thomas Wayne took everything from my family. And you have a chance to start over. What did he say? In this version, everything runs the same with the files, right? So I guess Joke is angry that Thomas fired her? Still? Or does he think something, what does he mean by took everything? I agree with you. Exactly. Okay. Everything from my family and you have a chance to start over to be something and you're gonna throw it all away. I will never do anything. You're gonna throw it away until it hurts her. Does he not understand that? I don't understand that. What is that? What is so bad about it? He was like, knock, knock. Your husband's dead. Lol. I just feel like, dude. Dude, he's all that funny, honestly. I'm being completely honest.  Joke jail? I don't know about it. It's weird.  I will never be anything because of him. Blame Thomas Wayne. Blame society. Blame the rats. Blame me. You don't understand what it's like to be abandoned? To be on your own? It gets so much self-moving. Oh my god. This is such garbage. I don't think this guy's ever wrote a book. I got a smirk. Throw all of this. This is what we're dealing with. Super melodramatic conversation between two characters that know each other, by the way. As evidenced by the fact that she's about to do a diatribe about how she's downtrodden from society, I guess. But it's not society's fault because that was his point, I think. Be a band. By the way, this doesn't happen in King of Comedy or Taxi Driver. There's no scene where a character says your fundamental beliefs are incorrect. Travis Bickel or Rupert Pupkin. That's not... You get characters get angry at them but you get that with Thomas Wayne and Murray. So I don't... It's kind of what I mean by those references bugging me, but okay. Ended? To be on your own? It gets so much self-pity. But it's just an excuse for you to do whatever you want. You're so selfish.  Not one. Also, having a character calling him selfish at this moment, um, alright. I guess I don't really... This is sludge. A little bit. Self-pity. But it's just an excuse for you to do whatever you want. You're so selfish. And then Sophie leaves. It's all we need. Joker never examines this point of view. Arthur definitely has... What is the point of having a character challenge him if he's not gonna consider the point of view? What the fuck's the point of it? Is it the audience? Are we supposed to go, oh look a character disagrees with murder? Like, okay. I mean, geez man, like... Just take out the mental illness and give him a girlfriend.   I don't know, yeah, I don't know if he still has that. This is the thing, you didn't mention that part so I'm guessing it's the same.  That's what this guy wants. Need. Joker never examines this point of view. Arthur definitely has problems. He's alone. He's broke. He's got some sort of serious neurological general mental health issues. We don't know the weather in the A.S. He could have saved all the money that he had and just lived simply. Your world building sucks, buddy. They never talk about his financial situation at all. He's not even worried about money when he wants his job. I know the mom is like writing that she wants money, but that's because she wants to live in a nicer neighborhood in a nicer apartment. Arthur seems completely content where he lives. He doesn't seem like he's interested in material objects. It seemed to me that he hated the idea of getting bailed out by the Wains that he wanted to do it himself. Which, by the way, when people say he's a deplorable character, I was like, I don't know. He seemed to be providing for his mother, which was something of a virtue to a degree. But okay. He has some sort of serious neurological general mental health issues. One of the chat said that the girlfriend is the mental problem. Women, am I right? Jay said, what he's describing is what I'd expect the director of the Hagover movies to write for a Joker movie. Jay, you're supposed to like him. You're supposed to be the nice man. But, I mean, like single mother in the 80s, in the era of the welfare queen, that's not easy. Sophie is truly marginalized. The kind of person that society really leaves behind. Sophie has a child to take care of. Why are you saying this? It applies more to her than Joker at this point. Like, she is left behind. He, you know.  She's the real Joker. She's the real one. It sounds like he's trying to develop her into a character that has been just as dislodged by society as he has. But she's dealing with it in a better way and he's going to become the Joker. She's the counterpoint. You don't have to be a Joker, everyone. It's like, okay, this is what I mean. I'm waiting for him to tell me what this achieves. Hopefully he does that. So she can't just pity herself. Joker's about a lot of things. Mental illness, society, guns. Like, if Joker's about anything, it's a movie about a desperate... Wait. Did he even mention guns in this rewrite of his? Or is he talking about the actual movie at this point?  She has a gun in it. They don't talk about guns. I want to hear that. The kind of person that society really leaves behind. But Sophie has a child to take care of so she can't just pity herself. Joker's about a lot of things. Mental illness, society, guns. Like, if Joker's about... What do you mean it's about guns? There's guns in it. Does he be just trying to make a comment on gun control? Or... The lethality of guns? I don't think that many of us, you know, thought that guns were placid items, but okay. About anything, it's a movie about a desperate loner who is given a gun and immediately becomes a violent murderer. It's too much to talk about now, but look up. The trigger pulls the finger. It gives Joker a new meaning that I don't hear discussed nearly enough. But at its core... I need to hear that again. Guns. Like, if Joker's about anything, it's a movie about a desperate loner who is given a gun and immediately becomes a violent murderer. It's too much to talk about. Alright. So the gun is for self-defense. He loses his job thanks to having it and he does actually use it in self-defense. He doesn't become a psychopathic murderer of the second that he's provided the gun. There are other things going... Like, wow, that's a read, I guess. Like, his first, like, real fucked-up kill that might have been... that it was, like, unjust was the one he stabbed that dude in the neck with a screwdriver. Right.   So is it excessive, yes? Is it completely unjustified? I don't think so. Not completely. You do get tried differently under law when you're in, like, you're seeing red or you're in a fit of rage, right? Versus a cold-calculated murder, I believe. Especially if you were attacked by the person. Yeah, it's... Did you ever watch the movie, A Time to Kill? Uh, no. I don't think so. Well, good. It's with Matthew McConaughey, Sandra Bullock, Samuel Jackson, and Kevin Spacey, and, like, Keith there's other one, and Donald's other one. It came out in 1994.    They're gonna maybe go to prison for, like, a few months, and then they're gonna get out.  So, he murders them in front of all these people, he goes to jail, and Matthew McConaughey is defending him, and his plead is that he's pleading for his sanity, that Samuel Jackson murdered these guys because of what they did to his daughter, and it drove him to be insane. And that's the whole thing that they're trying to prove, is that he was temporarily insane because of that situation. And so, the case is them trying to say, no, he's not insane, he did it, it was premeditated, versus him being insane. It's really good, maybe you should watch it. Yeah, I'll pop it on the ever-growing list. Um, so, like, yeah, we're coming back to the whole, um, I think he's just trying to describe some form of a trope, and I guess he's trying to say the Joker applies to it, like, let's just play this fully so you hear everything. Joker's about anything, it's a movie about a desperate loner who is given a gun and immediately becomes a violent murderer, it's too much to talk about now, but look up, the trigger pulls the finger, gives Joker new meaning that I don't hear discussed nearly enough. Gives Joker new meaning that I don't hear.   There's no other explanation. Yeah, that's why I own guns, and you know, I have yet to kill people, but you know, that's a thing that these SJW think. Well, I guess he's saying that, I don't even entirely know, he said that like gives the film new meaning, or like if he said if the Joker is about anything, it's and it's like, I don't like it when they do that. I don't like it at all, it's like that's not what it is, but also Pikachu, one of our regular artists made this. See. Oh boy, let's see. Aww, that's the cutest I've ever looked. Oh, is that me and you? Yes. Yeah! Oh, cute! We can enjoy this for a little bit before we go back to the pain. Yay! Pikachu's the resident cute drawing person. Do you have purple hair? Oh, yeah, now I do. I say that, we've got a couple of cute drawing people actually. But yeah, anyway, I gotta go back to... Also yes, I guess we should acknowledge that he's been gone for a little bit. He said he'd be back. I guess he'll be fine. He said he would. Um, alright. But yeah, just one last time. Hear him say it again just to really make sure it's what he said. I'm sorry, gotta go fair the back. I hope he has a child to take care of so she can't just pity herself. Joker's about a lot of things. Mental illness, society, guns. Like, if Joker's about anything about a desperate loner who is given a gun and immediately becomes a violent murderer, it's too much to talk about now, but look up the trigger pulls the finger, gives Joker a new meaning that I don't hear discussed nearly enough. But at its core... The trigger pulls the finger. I didn't get it! I didn't quite catch that. I thought the trigger pulls the finger. Alright. He said look up trigger pulls the finger, or we can't talk about that right now because it's just too deep for you pleb bitches. Ridiculous.   He doesn't spend seconds on it, so I guess it's not that relevant. The name alone the trigger pulls the finger implies quite a bit. Right, right, yeah. Ripbook E2988 did he off himself? That's a meme as far as I know. Just to say that he's dead regularly. I don't know. Oh, so it's like the Brett Keene thing? I think so. Like, if anyone says the boogie is dead, don't trust it until well, I don't know what would make me trust it. Until it shows up on Twitter, I guess. I guess, yeah. Apparently enough. But at its core, Joker is about a man who cannot move forward because he believes he is a victim. Taxi driver. Because he is. He is a victim.  Okay, carry on. He does do the work at the end. He comes up with a comedy skit that's actually not too bad. I remember I watched this film with Metal and he was like, oh, is this going to turn out to be really bad? When he finally gets on stage and his jokes aren't too bad.  It's part of the point of the film, I think. What do we think about the results? Because he does go to jail because he kidnapped somebody to get the position he wanted, but then he gains fans while he's in jail and then when he's finally out he gets his own show just because of the fame. There's something to think about there. I suppose what the show's trying to say. A lot of people try and argue that both the endings of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy are in the characters' heads. But as far as I'm aware, Martin Scorsese and I think one of the producers or writers or something of Taxi Driver said that the ending is very much real. It's not in his head. And I think something similar goes the same for King of Comedy. I'm not going to say that for sure though. I need to check on it. But the idea that... People argue that that's all in his head. I don't think so. I think that was a message that... I don't know. I feel like based on the story that was trying to be told was that even when he goes up and he says in front of everyone on stage and he's like, I had to do this. You forced me to be this radical because you wouldn't listen to me. You wouldn't give me the time of day. So I had to force my hand and that's why I'm here.  And I thought that was kind of a poetic justice for when he goes to prison he writes his book and he becomes even more famous because of what he did. I thought that was... That's what I got for the movie. And this is the thing. He's just concluded now.  Joker so I just don't I don't agree with him I don't follow through and I really feel like you know I'm cynical at this point, but people referencing taxi driver working in comedy I'm just like you're just doing this because this is the thing to do Like as a video assay as this is what you're supposed to do to sort of Flex your credentials if you will Like I know my films I gotta get it gotta get those mid-rolls. I gotta get those mid-rolls Is the same kind of guy I'll get a little more clumsily He wants to be popular and loved like Rupert as evidenced by the fantasy But he doesn't want to do stand-up Arthur just wants attention But he doesn't actually want it because when Arthur gets the opportunity the chance to be on national TV He doesn't see it as an opportunity. He sees it as a problem. Yeah, Murray's a jerk to Arthur But Arthur is still a wannabe stand-up comedian who's about to go on a national talk show Arthur and the movie Never consider the fact that this could be a huge win for Arthur Arthur immediately decides that this is a bad thing His life is over and yeah, Arthur think his life is already over before he got that call wasn't it like Everything was already falling apart And he saw the the Murray show is just perfect for a platform from to kill himself on Like the it all comes back to that line right the I hope my death makes more sense than my life Yeah But alright did murder those guys on the train, but the police don't seem to have that much on him Arthur kid either Jay wants me to skip back a bit Jay, what do you want? He's the only said is no that's not skipping back Why don't you skip back a bit Jay? Yeah, Jay An hour left on the show. I'm we're what of how many minutes we have Well, you're probably probably close to the end you think is he said that the end is gonna involve a big personal message So as soon as he gets to that we'll probably stop because you know It's not analysis anymore. It's more like whatever's going on with him in his channel, which is fine Why is it?  Yeah, I don't know what the world is going on Okay, give me one sec Maybe you have friends in China No, we definitely don't know He said Travis Pickle really Jade you know how far back we have to go for that also I don't know which is wolf do you want to be a mod so that you can you can hit the Chinese people while I'm doing everything else?  Oh so much Chinese spam. I don't have to say Freaking Kong King Kong Jay find the timestamp you can do it yourself. I'm sure of it. Do you say something? Okay, there we go. I did the thing. There you are Whoa, right?  It's all right. You're all right. It's fine.  That sounds funny All right, let's go over and yeah, Arthur did murder those guys on the train But the police don't seem to have that much on him Arthur kid either just ignore the police and hope he doesn't get convicted Or he could explain a situation claim self-defense, which it's kind of true except for that third guy But hey, maybe just say that you were fighting with them or something listen I'm not suggesting that Arthur should lie or anything like that to the police But he does have options.  We need a character.  Can you just like block flute musician? Oh, well you can just ban him, right?  No worries. I'm sorry China. You're not welcome Yeah Yeah, there's more to I don't know I'm trying to argue that he's like hey Joker shouldn't feel like killing himself at that point the movie. I just be like, oh Okay, I Love the idea by the way, but let's just say Nando is a friend of his in the movies like dude It's not all over you could you can just say that those murders were an accident Like I'm dealing with Come on bro. Go to this gun control rally with me.  I can salvage my image man I Like how much he's desperate to try and create this choice at the end of the movie Wait, and you saw what he was like, you know, oh There's multiple accounts for hiding on the channel.  Yeah. Oh gosh look the flute musicians covered in Don't worry chat the mods are doing everything they can I'm sure of it Oh I imagine some extra people are probably getting booped by accident as well I'm sorry, Hong Kong.  Um, should I choose the smoothest course?  Hey, man, it's a 50-50 choice. Okay. Oh Here comes the musician again. Oh my god It's flu position aware that we can't read any of that There's like spam must happen now, I mean It'd be funny if you converted and it's like I'm currently streaming at stream.com slash DWX ZZ come watch and it's like an actual guy Been like fortnight Well, if he's playing fortnight, then he's pretty much a dead man After they had that blackout, I assume so I don't know though. I don't think any of us play it We play great games like cold do you not right wolf Well guys get comfy with flute musician, okay Looks like he wants to keep on coming at this this chat. I mean, I don't want to chat off But he's obviously using different IPs and accounts every time so Just cozy on up with the Chinaman Part of that Arthur actually played seems like the riots were gonna happen with or without him But there was an alternative an alternative that Sophie was perfectly positioned to present an Alternative that would call Joker out that would take a stand against his self pity and the self pity Taxi driver in king of comedy and now Joker used to justify their actions Unfortunately every single character in Joker was either mean to Arthur or lying to him There was no one to present this alternative and in Everyone was mean or lying to him I want to challenge the statement Does he not remember the midget does anyone remember the midget never forgets the midget I remember Gary Well guy Yeah See like his his thing is he wants it to be a girl. It has to be a girl as we romantic Generic romantic story. Otherwise, I just can't his little mind can't compute the story Apparently the spam is an opinion on the film In Chinese I'm guessing this is the translation I interpret the ending of I Interpret the ending of the clown as the end of its beginning. No one cares or understand The cloud is now happy at the pain and finds it interesting what So flute retard is just too dumb to not spam his opinion. Maybe it's a bad translation. I don't know I Hope that's not a bad translation Another translation I explained the end of the cloud for the end of its beginning from scratch No one cares or understands. I am happy about the pain now and I find it interesting I Don't know what to make of that. Good luck. I'm I'm happy about the pain No Anyway instead of using Sophie to present the opposing viewpoint and Introduce gray area into an otherwise black-and-white story Joker wastes Sophie on a surface level fight club style twist that was honestly pretty transparent from the beginning No, he's saying no, no, he said the film wasted here. He's talking about the actual And that she was wasted as a fight club like revealed that was pretty obvious from the beginning Well, there you go So my position and I said this is my friend that I watched it with I was like I was willing to begin Complaining about their relationship. I was like there's no way that I'm supposed to believe they're in this much of a committed relationship when I've had barely any scenes of them connecting So I was like so either she's not real or this is badly written and then when they reveal it I was like, oh, okay. All right. I was assuming bad writing just because of the DCEU track record at that point Mm-hmm.    No, it's not gonna happen Not not back then at least I Like how so the whole reason ever would have guessed to that is just because we just don't think it's realistic what they were though portraying That's why we guessed it as opposed to it being like I knew there was a twist coming Yeah, it's not like I like it's not some smarmy shit for me. It's like oh, it was so blue. It was so predictable now It's like, you know, it's in his head, you know, but it didn't take me out of the movie At all no, no, I think I don't think it damages the movie at all that I had an inkling of that was the case I'm fine with that It seems like a lot of people who don't like the film will often reference the flashback bit and the reveal and like The heavy focus on that for me. I'm just like I guess the film's doing pretty well, then if that's like your big issue Like we go anything else. It's like it doesn't beat anything like all right I mean this guy's argument is that the film didn't challenge Joker enough and yeah, that was a little bit scary But all right twist that was honestly pretty transparent from the beginning. Oh And one more thing if you've been watching videos on this channel for a while You're probably familiar with this video sponsor curiosity.  I think that's it right cuz Cuz cuz he said he's gonna talk about some impersonal now, right? This is curiosity deal. It's just two ninety nine a month I'm working nineteen ninety nine for a year. Okay, and if you can believe me When you subscribe Dot com slash Nando Nebula, oh no, there's another thing Created by independent creators some of which you definitely already know like when over productions or I don't know who's weddover is But okay, I don't CGP gray CGP gray or could scissor or Patrick Willems Oh Here's how it works first all of my new videos are uploaded to nebula. Wait. 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It's always Okay, well I don't know because I've been playing a video game for this entire second video to like numb the pain So I might this one might be as bad and I'm just not cognizant of it, but movie bob hurt more Yes, I agree movie bob hit more Um, I think this guy got more like fucked up about joker though I don't know what to say.   It's just uh There's a lot of you know, we can check out more as time goes on in terms of joker is bad takes but these aren't very good Uh But a lot of people really didn't like joker. It was quite surprising I don't know if it's partly to do with the fact that it's really successful So it's like I got to say something about this because i'm a i'm a film connoisseur I know what film is about like I think that is if the film flopped and nobody actually talked about it Movie bob wouldn't have made a second video You might not even made a first one I wonder what would have changed like what we can change in movie bob's life If we were to go into the past Like find baby movie bob like what do we change to prevent him from like what do we change to prevent him from ever making There's a ball of dough. We're like You got the same shades on Oh, absolutely. Yeah, um Yeah, I mean I've got uh, so how much time has everybody got uh, I'm assuming if you've got like 20 minutes Most is kind of what I made before I'm just collecting some memes and then I will allow you guys to leave I gotta open in the morning. So Don't have much time unfortunately Oh, yeah, I got 20 minutes sweet I love how the frags doesn't come back. It's just gonna i'm just gonna read super chats alone You're like yay But it's okay else of it. Oh my goodness some of these memes. Oh, you'll you'll have fraggled by that point Oh, I guess I could drag. I suppose to drag jay on if he wants to be dragged You know Well, the last time we only capped out the timer at 12 hours. I don't know what you're talking about like It'll be fine. The fact is i'm still collecting memes How long have we been going for five and a half hours? I knew this was gonna happen I've you guys noticed that some of these streams go kind of long No, no, did you notice that long men are bad? Yes, everyone knows that you get told that in primary school Oh, I guess you guys know wait. What do you guys call primary school grade school? Elementary school.  Uh, so years Well, this is the thing this isn't gonna make sense because you guys have grades not years Well, it's the same thing essentially. I don't think it is Explain well that wouldn't even help anyway if I said it goes from year one to year six You guys would be like, I don't know if that's grade one to grade six. I don't know if that's how that works Okay, well, how long is a year? For you in school like the ones complete year Yes Okay, so that your very first year of school, you know, you go when you're like five or six that to us Is kindergarten and we got first grade second grade third grade so on and so forth kindergarten is age four over here, I think four and five I think I mean I started kindergarten when I was four But I think that they might have raised it or they have some kind of weird cut off based on your birthday But yeah, you go to kindergarten then so for that is I year one for you Uh, little kindergarten and then you go to year one. Oh, no, sorry I guess you could it goes kindergarten reception year one two three four five six But I don't know if that's entirely standardized across britain or if that was the school I was going to Okay, so how old are you when you were in reception? That would have been I get see from what I remember that might have been age four actually and the year before that is three And the year after that would be five preschool So you went to preschool then you went to I guess a second year of preschool then you went to kindergarten That was year one for you Right wait just do what's yours it goes you you guys go before high school is What middle school middle school? There's elementary school middle school and high school and then college Oh, yeah, so what do you call your years in high school? How many years are you in high school? So if yours goes elementary then middle then high hours goes Uh Primary and then there is no middle school and the rest is comprehensive school High school for you guys is comprehensive school for us How old are you when you've got a comprehensive school? I can't actually remember exactly the age honestly I haven't thought about it so well the problem as well is I consume so much american media that I Fucking have forgotten a lot about um like what what years and what things happened I'm picturing four-year-old ball of walking in the class with this gas mask on Well, okay, how many years is comprehension school? Is it just that goes from year seven to Year 11 and then two years of sixth form. I believe What is it? Sixth form is like you get you can you don't have to continue But it's like it's like super high school years and then you go over to university slash college Is it better to go to sixth form or just go to university? Uh, most people try to sixth form is like bonus education, I guess, but you don't have to I think that's the end of mandatory education I'm really not the person to be asking this by the way Probably got this Well, you keep asking questions. I'm willing to drop it I'm trying to understand this. Yeah, I'm not the person's going to be able to help you with that I don't remember this Stupid country do everything so overly you guys took our stuff and changed it. We did it first We made it better. We took something and improved upon it. Use yours sounds more complicated. There's more things No, it's very very simple Well, it's just it's just preschool kindergarten First grade grade second grade third grade fourth grade fifth grade sixth grade seventh And eighth grade and then high school four years of high school and I said No, no middle school is Here we go Well, well it depends on what middle school you go to because I've seen a couple that like, uh It'll go from like grade. Well, some elementary schools go up to grade six and then it's just seven and eight for middle school That's not the one I went to I went to one where it was six seventh and eighth and then you go to high school That was mine Yeah, that was that was mine too.  You gotta Yeah, we listened to nonsense for how many hours now um Too many four five probably five. There was a lot of discussion in between so maybe four. Um Yeah, I'm collecting memes. I'm doing it gosh People with their memes. Oh my god I got someone tweeted me. Uh, you cannot be serious. These are so cheap. They have ikea lamps Uh, he was ikea lamps in the back cave on batwoman. Oh What? I'll show you. I'll show you. Hold on.  Um, I was watching two videos. Yeah, I know we're pretty fast today. Aren't we? You might even say disappointing But I mean this is how it goes Okay, let me have a look at this That's amazing.  What could you say?  They eat out of cans and takeaway But then they also like live in a kitchen and then you see them cooking from it in one of the episodes And it's like what what are you guys doing? It's weird while they're while they're wearing 600 dollar Gucci shoes They're a confusing team priorities everyone um The no stint Having memes drip in from discord twitter pms and everywhere i'm trying to collect them all the the daunting task Say the least feel bad the rags might miss the memes, but what can you do? You know what can you do? Not our fault. He quit Joaquin. Can you do? That made sense.  So you see like the back of him or the joker is The new joker is around or new, you know, someone's gonna be baited The guy didn't say he was riddled the answer at one point, right? So the riddler might show up Not saying it's a good thing just saying it's a thing I think the next um, what 14 episodes are gonna be the like worse than the first eight. I can I i'm calling it now Like because because what it like you ran out of story like it's over It looks like this this episode coming up is like it's over. It's done new season. Wow. You underestimate these writers Or you simply estimate them correctly. It's it's tough to know right now I mean look it teases everything like Alice possibly dying. Alice finally getting her revenge.  How exciting.  Oh, you might have to click that one, but uh So many redditions of bomb.  No Uh, let me see if I can open it on my phone Yeah, well, let me load it. Damn. Well, if you guys put on the stream, you can see it Oh, it's gonna slow down. I suppose. Oh, just pull it up. Look at it and then put it back down. Yeah, there we go It's not loading Oh, look at this stream. It's up there All right, hold on. Let me get get there It's had to be tisamy discord and diabetes we trust Wait, would you read that ice cream cone on his head in the chat? Oh Yes It's floating sugar. I mean, I just I like the drawing a lot. It's very good. Um Just another like I said, we got a lot of bob memes. Um, hopefully most of these will just show up I feel like someone just put his head on some kind of hideous creature. Just like, yep, that's a meme I don't even uh That's from the star wars animated series. I think why can't you just be normal has nothing That is the boba duke I know these references at least some of them. All right, this one's a little terrifying, but still loving Bob in the Is that like a really early picture of bob or is that somebody else? I'm assuming that's bob. I've seen like several memes with that face.  They've taken his meds. He will have them. He'll find them, but he will have the last laugh I don't know. I'd watch it just saying I would too I think we all know this meme very well I see a podcast. I see you on e-fap and a lot of bad joker takes Jesus us a lot of bad Um, like a jenna just said wolf has me googling popular fat man face Oh Hey, we got a plot summary for this one Joking Joaquin is a real joker one day.  I think Apparently I'm just keeping watch of them while having my cup of tea So uh speaking of diabeto versions, holy shit Oh A theory on metatextual water farting Oh That bulge is magnificent I wonder if he knows the a load of fat-out was drawn of him today He'd be like why do I why am I wearing magnetos clothes? What's all the chocolate? What's happening? Bobby jenny dawn of joker tisms.  Well, one of the things she said was it was too overt, right? You could probably have them clash with that, but yes, they would clash for sure So this is a an image combined with the tweet we read out It looks so natural I could believe that what's actually in the film A hunchbob of diabetes It's a efap fusions It's just standard sort of video game chats involved raw would be the the god in this I suppose Um standing on a roof naturally This one uh, yeah, you linked I didn't get it on screen. It's like What what what's happening exactly? I can't tell if that's a little bob coming out of his face I don't I'm a little confused to be perfectly honest I don't know exactly what's happening. It's also terrifying. Yes Um, maybe you're supposed to be how he got his dimple Oh I I'm very frightened and frankly confused But okay. Mm-hmm. I'll go with it I got so like when people first meet him. He's By terrifying. I think that's fair Nobody's really prepared for the movie bomb I guess this one's just a very quick observation that I think is nice and fair And don't mind you have simpler times when we were talking just several hours ago I any I any Take it easy with those twizzles Oh my god, the mario hat one I guess you wanted to like cosplay mario Because there's a lot of those photos All right, uh, why you like this? I don't think we want him to stop Roll of the movie Look at the droid Again back there Oh, man A tail butt. I'm told by morgan freeman I knew it's his and the adventure I'm not you know, there's a lot to interpret with this image I'm not sure what we're supposed to be Movie bob wishes he was that thin He's downright athletic at that point looking good bob She likes being scrappy, dude Um Look at that. I'm little so I like that as well. I guess this isn't really a meme I got thrown in This was on I don't think it was in I think I just caught it from discord.  That's how it works Okay Mola the guy who spent 12 hours on a live stream mocking jenny nickelson after she made a joke a film review Tell me why I should take someone like that seriously. You don't have to I don't care if you take me seriously Watch out mol is the kind of guy to name search himself so he can quote tweet tweets that make him the maddest Uh, okay, uh, who could have guessed that a guy who makes a five-hour review Of a 2.5 hour movie would have so much free time on his hands Well, this is my job Review and stuff at this point full time, but I mean all right Uh, yeah, uh, I mean it's the same exact take so Does this guy think he's the first person to say oh, they boxed jenny nickelson for 12 hours I mean, maybe it's more accurate with movie bob, especially with this next one I like that it's spinning in a circle. He's like set up the hula hoop of sugar Once again, magnificent bulge.  How do you know that's is is not just fat? Or could be a donut hole we don't know what it is Oh, so this is the character from doctor who I was talking about This is like a flap of skin, but what he's deflated. This is kind of what he would be Diabeto deflate I'm sure he's still fine. I don't know what to make of this one. It's terrifying in its own way Oh, I have to keep making this Wait, is it like a specific guy? Yeah, I know who it is Because I like this one So it's bigger. Oh, yeah, you still go ahead detective When even batwoman can't crack the case. There's one man that got them Some detail is I gotta I know the memes are like absurdly good sometimes like guys Oh, he's not his rascal scooter Little basket, I think he's looking at like evidence Oh Nearly as fat as he in real life though Well, you know, it is his movie. Maybe use some digitally defatting sort of stuff. Oh, yeah intentional defatation Look how they have dhg and it's defatation Diabeto Oh He's got the d's made out of half a donor and a popsicle I don't know when you say the d. I just think of something completely different I realized oh, he's talking about the actual I think I'm not sure what this is originally, but I Damn titties though. Yeah, he's you know, you gotta appreciate four of them man double decker titties It's impressive for something completely different Pikachu made an animated rags I will have to save this one for when rags returns But um, oh, it's adorable. Oh, I guess Catastropica, I don't know if that's the same person as Pikachu. Actually I might be wrong I'm assuming it is though Digital d is slimming actually exists by the way according to chat digital slimming actually exists I can believe Detective All you need is his hat. He's complete. I think these were the from the orc references Love the idea of an orc becomes a movie reviewer Seriously so much so much passionate these these uh diabeto Diabeto Yo, I think he's floating all the fat people in the background Come with me You made it work mostly Put more effort into that song that he put into his video so it's all good I can't see it.  He just falls He starts bouncing down the stairs like a basketball I like it was not even the beer hat.  See here's black with red stuff in it not red with black stuff in it. All right One of those infinite sort of questions that faces man Is this presenting him as like the villain Diabetes Oh, I know this reference is from wolverine origins, I think I think It's the blob you just called me bob I think you get upset because you call him bob It's movie bob I think they've got normal humans as labels He's anything but the uh a 3d artist technically, um Detective diabeto haphazard on the case Guy wrote with blood movie bob did it What is he even writing there looks like it's a sled with a stick or something I like that he's got the colors for magneto though It looks like a sleigh, but with like cheese curds for Maybe the the person who died was his like the person who pulled it Of the game of dealer is cheese It's another perfect neck blend I wonder if that hurts his neck I think so Come on gooby-joo bob makes the uninsult Uninsult I mean I could see a team up Oh another fantastic quote from movie bob I assume this has nothing to do with t