yeah someone has missed a letter out but i don't know your name to be kieran nujant good to have you with us kieran right uh liquid therapy how long has it been around how long has it been um accepted to uh be a helpful therapy um so we began in 2011 by offering one single program um in 2019 we were named the national lottery good cause of the year um and last year in 2021 we finally achieved our dream of becoming uh the first registered charity of our kind in ireland so we're on the go 11 years now yeah so can you talk to us then about uh the work of your charity and how it helps people sure yeah so we offer a range of um surfing and ocean based therapy programs to young people with additional needs or anyone who might struggle to participate in mainstream surfing environment yeah and i spoke to you uh years ago or one of your colleagues years ago and people that were using uh revealing of this and and they they were amazed at the benefits of it yeah yeah so we've always known ourselves that um just being in the water and being surrounded by the ocean is just um it makes us feel better in our day-to-day lives and now we're beginning to discover that science is actually backing us up in that as well to show that the benefits of blue space and blue space therapy is just good for the mental well-being of all of us so we're um yeah we um yeah it's always good for it to be broadly accepted but you knew this from day one you were seeing the benefits immediately sure and like as a surfer myself in the water using myself i um i would have known even myself that um i always feel better after being in the water or after having a good surf so to see that translate into the kids is just um it makes us all feel good yeah before we talk about um the different experiences and camps that are available um like who would benefit from this um so it's young people in their families really so we're talking about anybody that might have a diagnosis the likes of anybody on the autistic spectrum down syndrome people like that and their families as well it offers a valuable period of respect to their families as much as the young people themselves because the young people will um you know they will look forward to coming to us and that might might give them um might give them a better home life for the weeks leading up to it and then after they've been to the beach with us they might have a bit of an afterglow effect which will just make their life a little bit easier for them at home and when are the experiences in the clubs and the camps run is it all year round or is it whether dependent um Kieran well obviously the water temperatures in Ireland don't really allow us to run too many programs throughout the winter months but our season this year is um we're running from May until the end of October and our bookings for this season actually will open on Friday that's the 15th Friday good Friday actually and anyone who's interested to available in any of our programs should head over to our website that's www.liquidtherapy.ie and you'll find a list of our programs on there and you should um find the program which is best suited to the needs of your individual I would say and players do fill up quickly so don't delay is it possible too that maybe a parent of God you know caregiver might not know what might best suit their child like can they speak to someone to sort of lean on the experience you have to say that yes you know we have found that children like this benefit from that yeah and if you look at our website all of the programs will have a little blurb on them which um details which would be suitable for the investors to the individual and you can always contact us on www.liquidtherapy.ie if you have any queries around that all right talk to us about for instance the surf experience that's actually wheelchair inclusive as well yeah so the surf experience is our kind of um foundation program for any young people coming to the beach you might be for their first time coming to us it would be um just to maybe do our first test or session they're getting into the water and as regards the um wheelchair inclusive surf experience again that would be um maybe somebody who's coming along for the first time who is a wheelchair user and along with that we will be opening Ireland's first ever inclusive surf centre this season and that will have fully accessible changes of facilities for wheelchair users that's pushing boundaries every every year liquid surf club and the surf camps tell us a bit about those or if they're the one and the same so the surf club this year actually is um aimed at um participants who have been coming to us for a number of years and who have grown on their own and can avail of our facilities without the need for us actually giving them one to one support in the water so they might be children who have come along for many years and who have um grown in their own surfing skills in their own confidence in their own ability and who are able to step outside and they just surf on their own under the guidance of us without needing full support and the what was the other thing the surf camps is yeah the surf camps yep so that's actually um a program that we started last year for the first time it's very exciting it's a um um uh the family camp so we have kids coming to us with their siblings and it's always just gives the whole family an opportunity to get into the water and it gives the um the siblings something to converse about with their with their brothers and sisters and do you find in your experience um is the benefit in the moment in the activity or I think you mentioned earlier on there is an afterglow which can have benefits uh or do the benefits of the liquid therapy being involved in these activities um carry over um you know outside of the events themselves oh for sure yeah yeah yeah and we've seen ourselves like the um it just gives the kids a little extra bit of confidence in themselves that they're overcoming something some sort of adversity surfing is not um easy by any means so by them just even learning the basic skills of surfing it just gives them um great confidence in their lives going forward and it's also the social aspect as well of it because um they get to engage with their peers and they get to um just grow as a person yeah so then the benefits then are from the environment but also you know the discipline uh the the three B's all of that uh intertwined and the rest is is that where the real benefits are coming from yeah exactly yeah so the three B's are breathing balance and um environment beach environment yeah beach environment yeah on this um thank you for that on this um was brought about by our um sort of during the pandemic um obviously we had a bit of that in time so we developed our health and wellness well-being program called Adito which stands for a drop in the ocean and through that program we aim to um empower the kids with a range of skills and tool kits that will help them to um just look after their own well-being and their day-to-day lives away from the beach environment you know we get we teach them like coping skills and just mindfulness techniques and yeah the goal the goal is that um they will take these elements away with them and be able to use them in their day-to-day lives away from the beach yeah now listen people travel from all over the place to avail of this it's uh so unique uh unique here in uh in Rosnalla isn't it in South Donegal so I mean you say that booking opens on Friday like is are there lots of spaces available like do you think this will uh fill up quickly because there is a you know there's a limited amount of time and resources what's your feelings as to people's chances of getting a space Kieran yeah so um place has always filled up extremely fast um this year we're hoping to engage with over 500 families from across Donegal um and indeed the entire country we have people coming to us from as far as cork to avail of our services and places do fill up very quickly so I would advise everyone to get on there as quick as they can on Friday good Friday and to not be disappointed if um we can't find a spot for you this year okay listen Kieran thank you very much indeed for that that is uh Kieran Nugent uh volunteer officer with liquid therapy um there is a climb taking place it's called the Aragile Climb for Autism uh Kieran Kerwin is a member of that and joins us now Kieran thanks for taking the call good morning Greg uh it's good to have you with us right now uh this climb takes place on Sunday the first of May at 11 a.m to raise funds for this year's chosen charities jigsaw the mental health charity and liquid therapy so why did you feel it important to choose liquid therapy as one of the beneficiaries um well my children have been going to liquid therapy now for nine years and um Molly would be one of the kids that are older and she done the adito program that he was talking about last year and um have you found the uh sorry the lines breaking up by Kieran have you noticed the benefits of it yourself oh god i i mean it's nice to get to the beach everybody knows it's nice to get to the beach and all but um to watch all these kids they've come along to uh liquid therapy um you know to see them grow from you know going to the beach and muddling and the and the sand at the shore and then they'd be getting on a board and learning to stand up on it and they'd be coming in and you see them dancing on the board and you know um just to see them grow through the years and it's lovely for the parents to get and you know you meet so many families um and with a group like that everybody it's just one big family you know um but the benefits for the kids as well um the siblings are able to come along on different programs as well um so my other kids have been able to come and um one of them now he doesn't like the sand at all and won't entertain liquid therapy because he just has too much sensory and um but um one of my girls Molly goes one of the twins Molly goes and Molly has severe ADD and her concentration is so bad i mean she's was poorly in school like because of that but liquid therapy seems to be the only thing that she's stuck with um you know she's tried Irish dancing and gymnastics and all these things but she gets bored with them very quickly um liquid therapy is the thing that seems to have you know captured her uh her interest and it's great for her but it sounds like it's great for you and the rest of the family as well to see that Karen yeah it does you know and um she's grown so much through liquid therapy um her confidence her socially you know meeting people and and and getting to know everybody through the years you know um and she's 15 now and she'll be finishing up with liquid therapy next year she's 16 and i'm actually hoping Molly might you know maybe volunteer or be able to help out with and and and use some uh that her love for written interest in it definitely uh okay so it's clear then why you wanted to include liquid therapy as part of the the the fundraising climb as i mentioned it's climbing Eregal Sunday 1st of May at 11 a.m and registration from 9 30 a.m on the morning yeah from 9 30 we'll be there but we don't really start to about 11 but if people some people come and they go on up ahead and then we turn the way back down some of these climbers can be stubborn and off they just go on a go on ahead yeah they just like i'm going on ahead and i'm not waiting for nobody you know and um it's Eregal climb as it's a great day out um megettigan's always do a free boss for us every year we've been doing it now since 2014 and um cahill always has a free boss going out so anybody that wants to get a boss out just contact cahill um we uh we're trying to get money to get out these um the surf place that that uh they're talking about um it's nearly finished we we need some more stuff to make some toilets and some changing rooms so if there's anybody out there would like to donate anything we'd we'd love it but um that's what the climb is for we're trying to get some money to to finish off the surf centre and uh hopefully we'll have a great great turnout yeah indeed so uh in terms of registration and the fundraising element of it that's your turn up on the morning isn't that how that's done yeah well we we'll be having a registration now next week um prior to that some people like to just get it done before the morning you know but yeah we always do your registration on the morning and um yeah it's a great day out okay ice creams tea and coffee all day all right karen listen thanks for your time this morning i wish you have your success with that thank you all right thank you all right take you care take care right now margo said good morning greg the port road is between the dry arch roundabout and the station roundabout i know i should know that and i'm so sorry uh i suspected it but i didn't have the confidence to go through with it uh margo goes on to say the current road works are taking place between the dry arch and the pole star roundabout your previous contributor is correct when they say the only work being done is building a footpaths while the main road falls into further disrepair well listen i've as a road user as someone who uses that road i find it very frustrating it's clearly damaging to vehicles uh i've not seen much like that before especially as the main artery into a town where the focus is on footpaths and the road seemingly is falling into disrepair i've tried to push it along by speaking to local councillors kind of giving up at this stage it is what it is uh presumably there's a program of works there and that they're going to get it done on time um but it is what it is okay uh any more views on that or anything else for that matter keep the calls comments coming into us oh eight six sixty twenty five thousand whatsapps 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suppose there is that uh i just got a call to say about i'm not sure you see they are doing the security it's not just for the uh for the for double an airport obviously it's for the planes uh maybe registered in different jurisdictions or flying to different jurisdictions i'm not sure if it's just simply a case to put more personnel in there and just because someone's in an army uniform presuming that they have sort of the authority to do it correctly i'm not questioning whether they would or not but i presume they're it's not just quite as simply switching out uh switching uh in and out staff maybe not that being said look at you know it's three and a half you're there for three and a half hours i mean you know on the wider scale of things it's a it's probably a bit of a nightmare but you know it's three and a half hours you could be going driving through ballad buffet and all or it could take you 50 minutes to get through um it is an airport is there mostly i think to facilitate people going away on holiday just a little bit earlier i know that sounds maybe a bit harsh i don't mean it like that but also uh dairy uh knock airport island west airport through them in a shot if you can get flights out out of there particularly island west i just got a call to say about traffic i've i've just got to call to say about traffic it's bumper to bumper in the twin towns causing awful delays please can these works not be carried out during the night uh hours thank you greg we don't really tend to do that much um and if we do i don't know how quickly things progress it would make an awful lot of sense but maybe the contracts would be more expensive maybe they'd be an unwillingness to do that and maybe with people residing close to the road works that would cause upset as well so there's probably many probably many different reasons why that can't happen now caller says i'm getting calls all week all different numbers saying they are from amazon okay the biggest cause of pollution in towns is not burning smoky fuels it's chip vans and takeaways where does it stop people are being dictated to and are being told they're now can't sell the turf people need to take to the streets and stand against this i think there's two things going on there right firstly you can monitor the the air quality in the likes of letter kenny and around about rush hour or when people like the fires in the winter you can see uh the damaging particles peak it's it's not really disputable it's there at those times you know you can see the correlation there between traffic and the the poor air quality and also when people might be inclined to like fires as i say it's there it's evident that doesn't mean that that's being called by burning caused by burning turf either right so the two issues are kind of the same but i don't think it strengthens the argument an awful lot i mean it's clear burning burning smoky fuel in a town environment is very damaging to people who have respiratory illness it doesn't necessarily cause asthma like a caller said earlier on uh that you know they live in the town and none of them have ever had asthma that's fantastic but if you're if you and many many many people in the northwest more so i think than other places are prone to respiratory illness and if you are it's just indisputable that in a town environment the cars and the burning of smoky fuels damages people's health that's just uh the way it is uh but that doesn't mean that turf gifting turf should be banned either do you know what i mean um why can you what can you do when your engineer won't answer your text emails or phone calls we need to get our report back to resend it back into the council well that shouldn't be happening either right okay business matters is on the way we're going to get an overview of the uh kinehan gang uh developments all of that uh between now and 12 so stay right where you are it's mike denvering concert with guests philomena begley ray 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london dairy from friday the 15th to sunday the 24th of april okay very welcome back to the program kirno donnell's going to be joining us very shortly for business matters so stay tuned for that uh just on the roads uh the traffic is bumper to bumper in bala buffet there'll be a lifetime doing this work as they seem to only be allowed to do a certain amount each day hopefully not another highgreg letter kenny they believe is a disaster to get around at the moment and they've stopped going into it and go to dairy instead of course people wouldn't like to hear that uh all right it's time for this business matters in association with the faculty of business at atu dunne gall looking for a career in financial services consider the level nine ma in governance compliance and data protection take the next step in your career and contact the exec ed coordinator on nine one eight six two zero six or email exec ed ex ec ed at lyit.ie today all right so okay right uh once not the lyt anymore we might have to update those things perhaps uh kirno donnell presenter of the business matters podcast joins us good morning to kirran good morning greek how are you keeping i'm good greek how are you week that's been good day good do anything interesting um of sturdens and michael started the bridge into anthony on sunday west in shondurans and uh so michael's in the first shondurans first league game so it was cold and low but very entertaining so i enjoyed it how did it go shondurans go over the line of course they did right okay now let's start with some business news kiran and we'll start with a weaving course launch yeah i should see a focus up yeah we missed a few times yeah we missed a few times greg the build up to the course being sort of filled up and rolling there in the last number of months so the first certified weaving group in the country has been launched until care was developed by donnell etb following consideration to support the preservation of donnell weaving as an indigenous craft that existed for centuries so eight pioneering students have signed up for the 41 week course that will help them develop the skills and craftsmanship of a donnell weaver the full time traineeship has been developed by donnell etb through his further education and training service and is certified by the scottish qualifications authority nice one right now the council is to get 2.3 million in funding for housing adaptation grants that seems pretty much around about the mark that normally seems to be allocated donnell etb is set to receive 2.3 million in funding for housing adaptation grants for older people and people with disabilities which is an increase of 346 000 on last year's allocation grants of up to 30 000 euro are available to assist disabled people in carrying the necessary work to make a house more suitable for their needs additionally grants of up to 8 000 euro are available to assist older people to have necessary payers or improvements carried out on their homes and grants of up to 6 000 are available for mobility aids so the fund provides 80 percent of xjacker funding through the department of housing local government and heritage with the remaining 20 percent and funds coming from donnell etb council all right we know there was a significant intervention to assist businesses during the pandemic we have a figure for that now yeah 55 million euro and financial support was provided by donnell etb council to donnell businesses during the pandemic 24.3 million came in the form of restart grants 2020 14.9 million was through the commercial risk waivers 2020 while 12 million was via commercial risk waivers 2021 the euro supports accounted for 2.2 million while the remaining 0.6 million came from small business assistance scheme for covid now i wonder when lonely planets are putting together their guides um how extensive their research is isn't i mean how many pubs do they visit or how do you wonder how they call it all information yeah now they in fairness to them they have hit the hit the mark with two uh of of our pubs but you just wonder how it all works yeah but anyway yeah what's the good news yeah chat chat hoody big and good or and the rusty mackerel and tilian have both been included among the top 20 pubs in errant by international travel guide publisher and website the only planet the guide says errant is home to more than 7 000 pubs many of which share food are open all day and lit into the night and host unbeatable irish music sessions decent return 10 out of the 32 counties yeah we're staying with the licensing trade um a familiar place for uh many in the south donnellgoal area up for grabs yeah killcare house and killcare has been placed on the market with a guide price of 495 000 uh the price sorry the premises comprise a bar lounge kitchen and a three bedroom living accommodation upstairs and the sale is being looked after by michael o'flaharley of castle estate agents would you ever get into that business i mean the notion of it sounds good you know look i would i would have worked socialising i worked for a long time when i was younger gregg part time and uh when i was at school that i enjoyed it but the whole game has changed completely tough gig then an award no all right okay right uh that is just a rundown of some of the news in the business world so let's talk about the focus of this week's podcast kieran yeah my guest this week is parry loge owner of loge's bar in cramford and chairperson of the mulroy drive tourism group parry began working in the family business while he's still at school he was assistant manager in the kerry gert hotel for eight years before taking up a full-time position at loge of cramford in the late 70s in recent years parry has concentrated more on the food sector construction of a new coffee dog and fifty seater restaurant around the famous old forge is at an advanced stage and both are scheduled to open in june parry is also one leading figures behind the mulroy drive tourism group established in 2012 to assist businesses in the area and help create the potential for new businesses to set up along the striking mulroy drive parry said he sees great potential for the whole area along mulroy bay the scenery are all along the bay and um it's just magnificent and most of the scenery in the wildlandic way is it's all brilliant but it's rugged terrain whereas mulroy bay is an inlet it's like a lake in the mud it's an open sea but it is like a lake and it's totally different and i mean it's the like of it's suitable for the like of activity sports like we have eco atlantic now doing the canoeing all the time and it's the possibilities are amazing like and we have three um horse riding stables around the dotted around the bay realistically weather-wise and donnie gall when we're looking for tours and we can't promise the weather but we have to provide other services for the moment if it is a bad day that it can go and pass the day and like we have the rock hole caravan park and and kerry keel with an activity center there we have three riding stables we have eco atlantic on the bay we have a dive center in kerry gart and they take you out diving and they have a pool there for to teach you to dive and we have dive sites in the bay and it's all on our website there you can check all the phalems and everything the depths so everything's there for you to take if you do come and haul it yeah and that's what it's all about kieran isn't it it's not just about an individual business of what it has to offer it's part of the whole package the whole holiday experiencing and you don't have to be traveling from go away or kerry or wherever you know um just a wee bit outside the air you get a very different experience yeah and of course in that area greg you know the well he listed out the places to go and the things to do and the activities and he mentioned you don't need good weather to come and haul in donnie gall I suppose that's the old thing and in relation to the group at paddy's part of um they missed out on the part of the wide atlantic way so rather than do nothing they took a proactive approach they got up and running and in the last number of weeks there were 10 you viewing points were unveiled so as very much people helping themselves and trying to promote each other and trying to promote the area in a very onselfish way and any word of all expenses paid invite to the grand reopening of the new 50 city restaurant was that mentioned well I was just thinking she hasn't made contact yet after the last week but I'm sure he'll be looking to get some pickings isn't it yourself I've decided to to just you know forget about my own pride and it's not working a last party if you can come along right so you have a good long chat with paddy about all things very much about myself as well paddy's very interesting character he's seen huge changes down the years obviously he during the pandemic he took along thinking about what he wants to do there's an old Ford's there which was built by his grandparents they came from Scotland 100 years ago 100s of horses were shed there and that's going to be a feature now of the new renovated and refurbished loads of cramford which is a very well known location in that part of the woods okay listen um you can get the full interview with paddy log available now on our website highlandradio.com you can podcast it on Spotify and iTunes as well um and also it's on air uh Kieran yeah it goes out after the six o'clock news Greg on Sunday evening and what if anyone wants to get in touch with you some feedback on the show suggestions for items going forward maybe they want to be featured how do you uh get in contact with you yeah just drop me an email please buzzersmanners at highlandradio.com all right you must be pushing the tonne now yeah what was 87 like 87 you think but you know fine rightly it's 87 all right keep it listen Kieran thank you very much indeed I appreciate it as always good morning Greg all right that's Kieran O'Donnell there he's the presenter of Highland Radio's Business Matters podcast as I say it's available for you and all the platforms I mentioned there and Kieran will be back with us next Wednesday I believe yet next Wednesday with the latest business news and also previewing the next edition of that podcast back after these walk the line once again with the multi-award winning Johnny Cash and June Carter tribute show Cash Returns celebrate the music of the man in black at the Ballard Art Centre Ballet Buffet on Saturday 23rd of April limited tickets are available now at the box office that's Cash Returns live at the Ballard Art Centre Ballet Buffet Saturday 23rd of April if you've got magic moments or great memories captured on your smartphone now is a great time to have them printed at McGee's.ie simply upload your favorite photos choose your size and finish and McGee's will take care of the rest with the 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suppose Stephen before we get into the nitty gritties of it you know there was this sort of Irish story and then sort of a sort of a different international approach to particularly Daniel Kinahan did you think a day like yesterday would ever come no absolutely not Greg and in my 20 odd years reporting on crime and working in the newspaper industry I was taking a back when the internet was made yesterday just a few minutes into the press conference when you had the American ambassador to Ireland you know revealing publicly that three individuals Daniel Kinahan his brother Christie junior and his father Christopher senior were now the subject of a five million dollar reward for information leading to their arrest but also information leading to the disruption of their business interests and the Americans had issued a statement just before a number of hours before the press conference talking about economic sanctions also being placed on the three individuals but also four other associates as well and that was quite striking news as well but when the reward details were mentioned that it's quite a stunning development but I think the guards were at pains to point out yesterday that it was about the first phase of the investigation but I think it also showed because of the American involvement the extent of the international cooperation between the Garde and other law enforcement agencies so quite a stunning development a little bit about that yeah and before we talk more about that and its implications and Daniel Kinahan and what this might mean for him and the rest of of his gang I mean we know it don't we in this country but talk can you give us a brief overview of the Kinahan the Kinahan gang's history yeah well they started off Christie Kinahan senior and was someone he was involved in fraud and other criminal activities but he moved into the drugs industry because he could see the profits that were being made by other drugs, guns especially in the inner city areas of Dublin in the late 80s and his first venture into the the drugs trade ended in failure because he was caught with heroin and an apartment block in Qantara from North Dublin and the subsequently jailed for six years but I think he utilized that time and when he was in prison to learn four languages to also study economics as well and but when he came out of prison in the 90s he moved to Spain and I think it's during his time in Spain that's where he concentrated these contacts with very serious players within the world of organized crime those from Morocco those from Holland from Spain and far east and also South America so over the years they built up this huge network and they were known in southern Spain as the Irish mafia and in 2008 we saw that Patti Dahl was one of their their henchmen he was murdered and then I think the Spanish started taking an interest in them because of the fact that people were being killed and it was bad for terrorism and the Spanish then launched a huge investigation and a huge surveillance operation and when we were doing the research for the book we were able to obtain the Spanish investigation file and it pointed to this group being involved in weapons training and being involved in drugs trafficking weapons importation as well but also undergoing anti-surveillance techniques and talking about you know different measures that they could take to stay in Papa and stay at one step ahead of the authorities and then it just grew and with the money that was coming in from the drug shipments that was used then to perform many companies and businesses and invested in property and power even Christie Kenan got involved in the cement industry they even put importing chicken feet from China there was everything about an angle and trying to invest their money in places like Switzerland the Cayman Islands Panama Lichtenstein so it just built into this huge narcotics criminal gang but that was because of the context that they made and the logistics and resources at their disposal but as that grew so did their associates and the people from Ireland were involved but also people from Morocco people like Nafl Fasi was from Morocco and was caught in Dublin in 2016 so it just went on to become a major and recognized as a super cartel because of the individuals they were working with it just became huge now I mean obviously I'm skipping over an awful lot here because we can't take up too much of your time here but did what is the reasons he shooting when things like is that really when we stepped on to the path that's led us to today? Yeah I think so there were investigations into the Kennedy Cartel obviously in 2010 the Spanish and the Dardi targeted them on their operations shovel some charges were brought against them but some of those they've taken a very long time to come before the Spanish courts some have now been dispensed with the cards in south inner city Dublin had an operation GoldenEye targeting key members but they that lost a bit of resources because of the recession but I think following the Regency and because of the level of violence that we witnessed on the streets here I think there was a determination I think the state had to respond in a robust fashion to do something about the threat because they were killing a lot more people than other criminal groups they killed 18 people and such a short space of time so they posed a serious threat and I think that's when the state decided to dismantle them and disrupt their activities and in 2018 Andrew Harris the Cartel Commissioner took over he was briefed on the threat posed by the kind of ingripping and that's when the negotiations with the Americans and other law enforcement agencies stepped up and I think over the years we have seen high key players within that group have now are now behind bars seven are currently doing time for murder others are doing time for directing activities of an organized crime gang drugs weapons with 20 million worth of drugs have been seen seven million in class so there has been a huge response from the state. I asked you about sort of Daniel Kinn and how he's you could say laundering or tried to launder his reputation in terms of the actual activities of the gang actively in in the drug scene has that been completely disrupted or is it suspected to be ongoing? Well it's been ongoing so that they're still classified as an organized criminal grouping who engaged in trafficking weapons trafficking drugs and also in murders so it would be ongoing they are still a gang you have many tentacles and many associates in Dublin who they work closely with they have the capabilities and the resources to you know arrange shipments of drugs into Ireland and even after the regency in this case there's a few taking place and the spotlight being friendly on them that the guards don't see 20 million worth of drugs that they have connected to this gang they see a massive amount of arms as well 48th weapons too so it shows you that they are still in business even though they are in Dubai they still have people who are operating in their path and just a few weeks ago one of their key players Thomas Kavna was jailed for 21 years in the UK and that was for masterminding a 36 million year drug shipments between 2016 and 2017 so again that was in the middle of the feud where they were killing people they were still arranging shipments into Ireland. Now there was a strange thing going on the likes of yourself and your colleagues writing extensively on Daniel Kinahan at the same time he had managed to get himself very high up in boxing circles so he would read this stuff in our papers here and at the same time we'd look at the likes of IFL TV and other sort of online boxing journalistic kind of outfits sponsored by the likes of your Queensbury rules or all matrim or whatever so to some extent I'm not sure how probing they could be in their questions but we knew everything that was going on here but out there you had the likes of Billy Joe Saunders and others and defending him saying he's a great guy looks after the boxers Frank Warren working with him as I say matrim working with him a rum working with him him being loaded in in the UAE in India and it was like two different universities running at the same time it was indeed it was bizarre to see this huge media campaign being launched by Daniel Kinahan to distance himself from the Regency first of all we had a video or a film sorry a short film based on the Regency Hotel and painting Daniel Kinahan as being the victim of a state sponsored initiative to kill him then you had a rap song about him we also had a book placed online about the true story behind Regency so that was all part of an orchestrated campaign for him to legitimize himself and to paint himself a legitimate businessman and it also stands from support from Tyson Fury on social media other boxers as he just mentioned there Greg we were also supporting him and it was him distancing himself from any element of organized crime and trying to paint himself as a key player and a power broker in the world of boxing but I remember speaking to Frank Warren before and his words to me were we published this story that he's a very he's a man of honor and when I asked you know Frank Warren about you know the the links to the the ongoing feud and the devastation that was being caused it was like you know this is a like a media prison conspiracy you know two newspapers in Ireland and some rogue guard trying to ruin this man or something like that that's the way the kind of impression internationally uh it was going on so um also there has to be an ego here if he had of disappeared to the middle east and not tried to get his profile the way it is we probably wouldn't be where we are now I don't think he's been very clever at all I think he's trying to be clever I think the ego stays a massive part here where he has probably instructed the key players in the boxing industry in the boxing world to publicly back him publicly support him people like Bob Aram but that's now backfiring once you have the americans involved and the americans restricting his access to financial companies and banking institutions in the united states he operate on a global basis as well I think that's that's a game changer and you even have Bob Aram saying today in an interview that he won't do business with Kenan Aram previously spoke about how this was meant perhaps Daniel Kenan the focus of arish media you know do you remember the time around that big summit they were having uh and every single comment including a rom was about how uh you know if it wasn't for Daniel Kenan if it wasn't for Dan so that's quite a shift and I see an awful lot of tweets and stuff being deleted in the last minute I have with you uh and there's so much more we could get into but the net is closing here because the refuge of the uh of dubai how long will that be available to him dubai have handed other people over particularly when the united states are involved is the refuge there for many longer and there's nowhere else he can go what he'll be he'll be back in arman this year won't he I think you could take a number of months I think this stage of the investigation is about intelligence it's about gallery evidence with the ultimate objective is to bring him before a court with the possibility of charging him with directing the activities of an organized crime guy I think he's going to be extremely paranoid because that's a huge amount of money for one of his associates to maybe come forward and work with the authorities and telling the authorities what they know about Daniel Kenan I think he's going to lose friends in the boxing industry people like Bob Aram that's already started I think his name is now toxic it wasn't before among many in the boxing industry whereas the people of Ireland and the media and society knew what the Kenan name meant in terms of the devastation in the innocent lives that have been linked to that organized crime group so I think it's it's a game changer and when the americans get involved there's more power and resources behind those and they have more influence on the dubai authorities that they could say we want them out yeah and boxing has to clean itself up too to the point whereby you can't ban a manager because of their background but it's okay if they're an advisor they that this is going to have shock waves through that sport I think because let's not forget the reason why we haven't seen Katie Taylor and others fight in this country can be directly linked to the fact that the guardi won't okay because of what happened at the regency so it's been very damaging to sport in this country as well not to mention the lives lost etc Stephen thanks so much for your time this morning thank you all right Stephen Breen there crime editor with the Irish Sun co-author of the cartel back tomorrow morning with the Friday panel on a Thursday to the Thursday panel the entertainment slot and so much more besides John Bresnan is coming up next after the news at 12


The Cube at EMC World 2014 is brought to you by EMC. Redefine VCE. Innovating the world's first converged infrastructure solution for private cloud computing. Brocade, say goodbye to the status quo and hello to Brocade. Okay, welcome back everyone live in Las Vegas for EMC World 2014. This is the Cube, our flagship program. We're going to go out to the events, to extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm John Michaels, Dave Vellante, co-founder of Wikibon.org. And our next guest is Manavir Das, VP of Engineering at EMC's Advanced Software Division. Welcome back, again this year. It's great to be back with you again. This is 2.0 for the Cube interview from last year's Viper 1.0, I guess you could call it 1.0, but a lot of conversation last year on Viper. First of all, last year I was super impressed by the slides. The slides were very impressive. Slideware was great, I mean the diagrams, how you guys thought about the architecture was really well thought through. And a little bit different than what I might have expected. So give us the 2.0 version one year later, you're out in market, you're out pushing the envelope now. Give us the quick update of all the quick highlights. Yes, and I think I would second what you said. The story was great and the story was all in slides. And what's changed in the last year is number one, we're in production with a number of customers. And two, we have really built out the platform to the level that we were intending to from the beginning. And we just had a stage delivery model. So if you recall last year when we came out, we said Viper's a storage system that can run on top of your existing storage devices like your arrays. What we've done now with Viper 2.0, it's a full-fledged storage system of its own, which means that it runs directly on the metal, it runs on commodity hardware, it does all the data protection, all of the IOPS itself, and it provides a variety of different protocols like object, HDFS, et cetera. But it's also modern in the sense that it's completely in software. And so from a customer viewpoint, you can take it as a piece of software and apply it on your own servers and scale it out as you go. And that gives you a flexible model. At the same time, we also announced the ECS appliance, which is really, it's exactly the Viper stack, but it's pre-bundled by EMC with commodity hardware because we think we're pretty good at sourcing effectively priced commodity hardware, and then we put it in a bundle that we provide. Jeremy Burton says, don't fight fashion. Fashion is elastic right now. The word elastic, being elastic is actually good too, if you can be elastic. So it's a box, it's not a service, it's not in the cloud, it's not a cloud service, it is a box. But it's an elastic box because the way Viper really works is you give it as many servers as you've got. It will lay itself out over all those servers and that's as much capacity as you get. The more servers you add, the more capacity you get. It so happens that with ECS what we've said is we'll put some servers in a box and give them to you, but that's just a unit. And so you're going to have as many of those boxes as you want, and you're going to get more and more capacity. The other thing also that was not, we didn't go into that detail in David Gouldin's keynote, within each of those so-called ECS boxes there's a number of servers. And if you open the door, you can keep putting servers in. So you can put one server at a time, two servers at a time, as many as you want, it's completely elastic. Right, so thinking about ECS, it seemed to me that, so you're drawing a comparison from a TCO standpoint with the public cloud, it would seem to, what struck me is that a lot of your service provider customers would like to take that box. Is that really where the target is, or is it as much sort of on-premise big shops wanting to duplicate the capabilities of the box? It is very much service providers, but there are two kinds of service providers. There's the one kind that we traditionally think of, which is I want to compete with the public cloud, so I want public cloud in a box so that I can offer it as a service, but there's also internal IT being a service provider. You look at a lot of the big enterprise IT shops, they're serving hundreds of internal customers building applications, and what they're seeing is, the internal customers are moving to the public cloud because it's more convenient and it's cost effective, and the internal IT customers we talk to, they're struggling with that because they're the ones saying no, no, you cannot go to the public cloud because of regulation, compliance, and all of that, but they don't have a weapon in their own arsenal to offer to the internal customers, so for them, the ECS is a great model because they rack and stack these, and then they effectively offering a private cloud version of that public cloud just for their own set of internal customers. And you've incorporated things like Chargeback in there. Yes, it's all built in. Do you expect a lot of customers will take advantage of that? I absolutely think so, and that's definitely evident from our customer conversations because you think about internal IT, you know, you've got the finance department, you've got the HR department, everybody's consuming, and they have to be built in some fashion, so that's a Chargeback model. And of course, for traditional service providers, you know, exposing it out, they clearly need Chargeback because they've got third parties who are creating accounts, right? So definitely see that, yeah. So one of the things that all the CIOs I talked to pretty much look at, Amazon's web service, and saying we want some of that, they all got a little nervous because there's a lot of issues involved around being fully enterprise grade, and they're working on that, they're trying. You guys are kind of coming with the hybrid cloud, but they're all kind of saying I want OpenStack, and I always ask, David, I always talk about this, I always ask the CS, why do you want OpenStack? I want to look under the hood, I want to be able to play with it, I want some comfort. So in a way, it's a hope, it's a dream, it's a bridge to the next platform. OpenStack is one of those I call maybe a small bridge because of the bridge that you guys are promoting. So what is the OpenStack support? You guys, I saw some buzz about Cinder, is that official, what role do you guys play in OpenStack? So that's a great question. So I think number one, we do see that growing movement and Viper philosophically from the beginning has been about choice. So what we've done with OpenStack is two levels. Number one, everything in Viper is exposed through REST API, okay? And so in that way, it is integrated into the full orchestration system of OpenStack. And actually, we've done that work ourselves, it's available, you can take Viper and plug it into the rest of your OpenStack environment. So Viper becomes your storage plane. The other thing we've done is at the bottom, so when we came out with Viper, there was the question about there's a plethora of different storage devices and data centers and how do you build support for all of them? And so we kind of had this sort of plug-in model at the bottom. And what we've done with OpenStack is we've said, okay, there's an evolving standard like Cinder which a lot of people are using. So what if we built in natively support for the Cinder model at the bottom of Viper? And so what this now means is you take any storage device, if you've got a Cinder plug-in built for that thing, then Viper will automatically be able to talk to that device and integrate it into the storage pool, right? So that's the kind of integration. Another example at the top is OpenStack has an object protocol called Swift, right? So Viper object natively speaks Swift. So if you've got any application that is working with OpenStack Swift, it is also going to work with Viper object right off the bat, right, without any modifications.   So I think for us it's an important direction, right? So from that point of view, we don't have a problem committing resources to it. I think the interesting issue with OpenStack is that we have to have a way of participating in that ecosystem. And it's certainly something that we are eager to do and we're just trying to work through sort of the mechanics of how that gets done. But we certainly build Viper with a view that we're interested in contributing. So are you negotiating? Is that what's going on now?  So I have an easy answer to that question, which is I'm the engineer, so I don't get paid enough to solve those problems. So what I'm making sure of is that we build the product in such a way. We write the code in such a way that it's friendly to that. And then, you know, the others decide what to actually do. Okay, but you're applying your engineering resources to that point, not necessarily saying, okay, go off and write OpenStack. Correct, correct. We're building our code with the view to the fact that like every developer I hire on my team, the first thing we tell them is you have to have pride of ownership. The code you write is like the painting you produce, right? That means when other people look at it, you want them to feel impressed by what you've done. You got to have pride of ownership. So, you know, we write all our code that way, right? With the view that anybody could be able to see it and feel like, wow, these guys really know what they're doing. How do you evaluate good code? What are the metrics you use? Simplicity. I think the only things that truly work at scale are simple things. So when I interview an engineer, and he describes to me a really complex algorithm that he put together to squeeze the last 1% out of something, you know, I'm not impressed. You send them to the competitor. Yes. And when they talk to me about how they boil something down, do its essence, and implement it something very simple, I get impressed. And actually, one of the things I'd love to talk to you about is our geo-replication algorithm, which is an example of that, right? And so, yeah. Great, let's talk about it. So, I think, you know, that's one of the things I'm particularly proud of with Viper because we think it's truly unique in the industry. If you think about, you know, how you protect your data across data centers, right?  How do you do that? So there's a fundamental trade-off, okay? So on the one side, what you do is you say, I take my data, and I locally protect it. I do some amount of RAID or erasure coding or something within my data center. And then I take this whole enchilada, and I copy it a bunch of times into other data centers, okay? Now, if I do that and I make full copies of my data in different parts of the globe, the advantage is that if I lose a full data center, I've got a whole copy of it elsewhere. And furthermore, even within a data center, if I lose one disk or two disks or one server, because I did local protection with erasure coding, I can reconstruct the data without having to go to other places. It's very fast, but it's high overhead because I've got all these copies, right? The flip side of that is what is called geoerasure coding, where you take that same local erasure code, but instead of spreading it across servers in one site, you spread it across servers across many sites, okay? Now here, the advantage you've got is that the overhead is much lower because instead of full copies everywhere, you took your original data and you sort of spread it across, okay? But the downside of this approach is, now imagine I lost some disk drives in one data center. In order to reconstruct the data, I have to fetch the rest of it from every other data center. Now I've got WAN traffic, right? So it's a fundamental trade-off, and I think the state of the art is- Cheap but slow. Cheap but slow, right? And so the fundamental trade-off the industry is at with the state of the art is I got to pick one or the other. And every storage system you see out there, all these storage startups, et cetera, they have a long menu of geo capabilities and it's all or, either you go with this and it's good here and bad there, or you go with that and it's bad here and good there. And the algorithm we've invented for Viper is actually the best of both worlds. So we have a model where we spread the data in such a way that we've actually got full copies of the data. So you don't have to go across the WAN. And yet in terms of overhead, it's as low overhead as anything you would do by distributing your erasure code. And so that's unique instead of the art. But what I'm especially proud of, David, is in terms of simplicity, if I were to actually take an engineer and describe the technique on the whiteboard as I'll be doing in my sessions at EMC world, they would look at me and say, there's nothing intelligent here. Duh, why don't I think of that? And that's my whole point. Those things work well at scale. So this is math. This is new math. New math. Yes, new math. Organic built in your, in your group. Yes, yes. Not something that you borrow somewhere or buy in somewhere. You know, we've patented the heck out of it and all that kind of stuff, of course, but yes. Okay. So how hard is it to pull that off?  What's so hard about that? The full of geo, the geo-distributed with multi-site with protection. Right. Because if you think about it, right? Whenever you build a system where you're balancing two extremes, right? The thing that you only get by having done this before is what is the right balance point, right? I would say most things in technology as in life are like an 80-20 game. You're never going to get 100% of both things that you need, right? So you build a sort of a curve where on this end, I get 100% of this and 0% of that. And the other side is flip. And I want to find that point in the middle that says, okay, I'll get 80% of both. And that's a great solution. And so the art, if you will, here in this computer science is, how do I find that right place on the dial to get 80% of the effect of each? And that's sort of the difficult thing. Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE. I really appreciate it. Great technology. Again, last year, you know, we kind of joke. And we love to call it Slyware. We're impressed with your architecture. You guys put some meat on the bone, some great science behind it. Computer science, some data science, some engineering, obviously with services is fantastic. I'll let you get the final word in. Explain to the folks out there this year within your group, why is this trend right now so important? What is the main thing that's happening in the marketplace that's enabling you guys to capture this opportunity? I think people are realizing that it's not just enough to have data, but data is of no use if I can't actually do things with it. If I can't do things like analytics on it. And so in order to take advantage of that trend and to prepare people for it, we've built a storage system that says all your data is sitting in one place. It's a very high-scale system to ingest data, but it's also a very high-scale data warehousing system on which you can do analytics so you can extract the most value out of that data. And I think that's really the trend that we're after. So you think customers want real-time actionable insights? I think they want insights into the data. And they need a system that can give them that, yes. And thank you very much VP of engineering, tough job. I'm sure you got a lot of pressure on you. Doing a great job. Thanks for coming inside theCUBE. As always, fantastic conversation. Viper 2.0 and more software-driven, software-eating the enterprise. This is theCUBE. We're doing our best to broadcast that software and that data to you right back after this short break.