Hi, folks. The original leader for today wasn't available. We've been trying to shift some stuff around.  And I think all of her are you are you there? I am here. Yes, Taylor. All right. For those, let me give a quick intro for those that don't know. This is. Was the CNF working group call under CNCF. We're at this point using it as the call for the merging. Or I'll just say for the new initiative that's happening under elephant is the CNCF telecom. Work is transitioning. And we're continuing the calls for both, I guess, related efforts in this new program that we're launching here until we choose no time. This is going to be the last call of the year. And if you didn't catch as you joined this call is being recorded. You can probably ask to disable that Lincoln or anyone if you want, it's they're going to be uploaded to the CNCS YouTube channel for the CNF working group. I think that's fine for now. But we can decide. And. Lucina has posted meeting notes for this call.  We do have a few topics related to the new initiative and what we're trying to do. We'll add the links to the elephant wiki page for some of the topics that we've been going over as well. Quick some quick announcements here. Upcoming events for those aren't aware there's been. An increasing number of Kubernetes community days.  If you're not aware, but you're interested. The topics could be many different things. So definitely could have networking telecom related to any of those. Some folks are asking for that sort of thing. And this KCD. Guadalajara is the, I think the next one. But if you look at the. Kubernetes community days at any point one could be pop up or and if you're interested in having one, then please reach out. I think the overlap between. What we're doing elephant with this. Cognitive telecom program and the Kubernetes community days could could get some more, I guess, traction from the community. The. Cube con cloud native con. If you're interested in having a co located event like we've had for the cloud native telco day, we've, we had four of those. Then please talk with Ranny and the elephant events team. To let them know that you're interested as well as if there's availability for sponsoring from your company. The one summit CFPs have closed. As far as I know, they haven't been extended a second time. Is that true? Ranny Lincoln. Yeah, that's I think it was yesterday. And yeah, they couldn't extend it because they need to have the community work on the proposals and publish the agenda. So that was. The latest, they could extend. All right. Have the. Elephant developer and testing forum see CFPs opened yet. To the best of my knowledge, not yet. I've seen some chatter about it in the challenge, but I don't think the page was set up for submission. But it should come up soon. Yeah, probably need to since those are, it's more likely that people are going to want to go to both. With the travel expense. All right. So let's see. The one summit of you though is open. And I guess it's going to be open. Until April. Is that what it looks like? For CFPs. Same thing for Kubecon. North America. All right. So does anyone have any agenda items before we go into some of these. You can verbalize them, add them to the chat, or just put them right into the document. If there's something you want to go over. I guess go ahead and check the PRC if we have anything. New there. Yeah, give me a second here. I'll do that. I'm not seeing anything myself. Yeah, no, just give me a second. I will move it over in a sec. We don't have any. We have a lot of issues, but I don't see anything new. Most of it's just kind of ongoing, smaller stuff. So I think we can go right into the other items. Okay. So blog posts. Did you want to make a mention on that one? I'll just pull that up there in a second. Yeah. So let's see the CNF. Working group. The latest white paper. That's getting some traction. We have some blog post and a lot of other mentions are coming up. I'm going to. I'm looking for Taylor. I'm sorry. Just looking for worries. So they. I just put a link to the. The actual white paper. All right. Thank you. And. So this is a, a, the. Blog post is. That's on the CNCF blog. And we were talking about. Ranny may be doing something for. Elephant. But being end of year, maybe we should look to publish something at the start of next year to get. Keep momentum going about the discussions around what we're doing with the. Program and I think a lot of the related stuff from the CSPs are in this. White paper. Yeah. Here's a link to the PDF. There's it's in the. Repo as well. Is up on this. Get GitHub pages. Okay. Did you want to say anything else Taylor about the blog or. White paper. I guess it's listed on this challenges to be solved. So the white paper is. It's a. And. This. CSPs that mainly were the ones that were working together as a group. These are the folks. A lot of the same folks that were working on the in GMN manifesto that was published in. I think. This summer sometime. And. It's kind of a follow up with. More. Trying to make it next steps and more details. And it's also calling out that. And there's going to be a need to. Collaborate and change from changes from the CSP perspective on. It's required in SLAs and stuff. So. Acknowledging. That they're going to need to do stuff and they seem to be. Wanting to brace that and asking for. Vendors to collaborate to. Meet in the middle. So that's what a lot of that goes over. And I think it's a. Good to look at for. A driver for the. This new program that we're. Looking at putting together. And continuing kind of what we've been doing in this working group. I dropped a link to the challenges and then there's also an asset list. That's going over the. Different working groups and work streams. Repositories with tools and a lot of other things we need to decide on. What will be. Directly usable and or I would say useful. If there's things that are there, but we feel like it's either. Out of scope. May be useful, but out of scope for the program. That's fine. We're just putting stuff together and then we can make decisions. I didn't add the next few so. I can stop there. I mean, if we want to. Go over any of the current challenges or assets all over. I'll let you. Take over on that lead on that and if. Who put in the review feedback on elephant presentation? Is that something. You're wanting to do Oliver or someone else. I think we had that we mentioned it last time on the last meeting. And maybe just to kind of bring everyone up to speed. I think Rani helped us out. A few weeks back. And so on the. Believe it was on the 6th of December, there was attack meeting. We had a meeting where the new initiative, this new initiative was, was brought up. There was some discussion on it. I think we're still at a stage where we're trying to move towards. You know, creating this under elephant. So for example, we're having this meeting still and we're making use of a preexisting CNC F meeting. And of course it's related to the topic, but we haven't established any, anything yet within elephant actually, you know, start to create meetings and, and, and starting to work forward on this initiative. So I think it was discussed. And one of the things, one of the outcomes of that discussion was that we were to, we agreed to come back. And we said the 10th of January. And we had a meeting there that we will, the idea is to come in with basically a, an overview of what this initiative is and what, where we are in terms of status. We did ask for an extension on that. So we, that date is going to move to the, the tech meeting on the 24th. So probably just correct that here in this. I'll do that myself. So, you know, those of you who attend or would like to attend, that's a, that's a, that's a good place to be to better voice your input and also just, you know, to hear how the discussion goes. One of the things that we'd like to do of course is this is a community effort. So ideally we're, you know, those of us who have been engaging have an opportunity to share our thoughts and put that as part of the presentation to the tech. I'm not sure that we're quite ready today to present that and start going through we could start to, you know, it's a draft form. There's a draft of it. I'm happy to do that, but I think everyone will have to understand it is very much in draft form. So, you know, bear with it all the messages sort of the key messages and things that we want to get across or not, you know, really refined yet at this moment we've got a bit of work to do still. And of course we encourage people who want to be involved in that to have an opportunity to do so. So that can happen of course to this meeting but also there are, you know, there are opportunities for those who want to contribute. There's a document so we can, you can add comments you can review and so I would encourage that I will share that link with, you know, in the meetings here in the meeting minutes. So other than that, if you have anything I know you've been traveling I don't know if you have anything you would want to add in terms of sort of the status of the initiative. This is of course been presented at both cloud native taco day cube con and then it was also discussed on the last DNT F. So I don't know if there's any anything any highlights that you'd want to share otherwise we can probably start to look at the draft document and just, you know, see, see if we want to bring in some other thoughts into this. I did miss the past couple of weeks due to me being on the APAC times on but I talked to Olaf a few days ago the tech chair, and you confirm what you just said Lincoln, but Oliver sorry. I think that the understanding is that you don't have to think of it as the one and done meeting. It's probably going to be more of periodic updates between this word group and the tech. So, yeah, it's important to have this initial presentation, but I think what will follow is maybe in each tag following tag meeting will be an expectation of some status update progress update which could be very quick and simple or if there's not too much development between attack meetings or if there are milestones achieved and it might be more substantial but Yeah, I think there was a positive feedback and the taxis this word group and these meetings is the right place to discuss this program and they just want to have some kind of progress updates or some periodic updates just to make sure everything is on track so there are no surprises say around the April and one summit time. Okay. That's great and as you say it'll you know periodic updates I think maybe one of the things that is at least not for me. Super clear is at the moment whether or not you know the initiative as it has been so far described is, you know, if we've sort of been given the the okay to proceed with that in other words is there are there still questions before work, you know, working groups. Let's let me back up and say establishing this as a project within LF and then are there remaining things, you know, I got I almost got the sense, at least myself on the last tack that there's still work to be done before we can decide how it will go. We're sort of a sort of in a task face tack. Sorry. In the task force phase, rather than being able to start now moving forward and creating this as a project but that's my interpretation. Do you do you have anything on that Randy that you would know that is that the correct interpretation. I think it might be related to some decisions formal decisions that the board elephant board had to make and that's done so I think between now and one summit I think we're good to go. Okay. So, and in your mind is that does that allow us then to start working with you know Kenny, for example, to establish, you know, meetings that are under elephant and, and of course start to consider things like we talked about in the past we have assets of course from the CNCF that we'd like to start to transition and bring those over are those all things that you see us doing now I just again it's kind of in my mind just an understanding that we are in the mode of making this happen versus still trying to convince you know what the, what the right setup for it is I mean they will obviously be continued discussions in terms of your refinements but I think we've, you know what I mean so far has been a cloud native native networking initiative under elephant, where we will start to leverage, you know assets from both sides we obviously will continue to work with that and identifying the right assets but it feels to me and then what you're saying Randy is we can actually start that work now and transitioning over. I don't see anything stopping I mean, it would be great to first present that to the tack before doing actual transitioning but. Okay. Other than that, I think there is no there, there are no barriers anymore. Okay. All right sounds good. Sounds good. Okay. So with that in mind, and I will share with you all a, as I mentioned a draft version, work in progress very much work in progress so perhaps the what I, if by sharing this a little early what I would hope is that there's a, there's, it's a call for for input and opportunity to contribute to this, rather than, you know, don't take this as it's the, the final version, there is still still plenty of opportunity to to participate on this. So, just starting off, we had a meeting, but it was last week, met with Sana from tell us who has been very interested in this new initiative and she is. She has mentioned to us that she would like to be part of the tack discussion tack presentation that we do. Again, this was originally we were thinking on the 10th. So I'm going to go ahead and switch that to the 24th. Where, and I have reached out to a number of people I will confirm that with Olaf but I have asked to just to have a set that for the 24th rather than 10th gives us a little bit of time to work. And to get back in the new year. And really what Santa really wanted to do is spend a little time in terms of preparing context for this initiative and why cloud native networking is so important. Not only to tell us but to other others in the industry. So if you wanted to do that, you know, a couple slides just to set it up and I think that helps prepare for the conversation about the proposal itself. So I will obviously not go through her slides. She hasn't had a chance yet to do that. But, you know, the main point will be wise, you know, why this matters in a in a summarized fashion. The rest of us have basically been trying to start putting ideas down on what this new network networking initiative is and I think we've probably heard this now on a number of occasions we talk about best practices we talk about a testing and we talk about certification. And I think hopefully most of that people have understood it but I think what we want to make sure is the tack has understood that. You may or may not agree with this we are working on sort of a very high level overview, trying to describe what some of the challenges are. Obviously we now have as Taylor has already pointed out we have some very recent and rather in depth documentation around from both the NGM and manifesto cloud native manifesto as well as the latest white paper that we were just talking about so that is obviously going to be more detailed. I don't think we have time to go through that and attack on that kind of level so I think what we're trying to do is and continuing to sort of bring up the high level. A high level view we have different telco platforms where you know Kubernetes is a cornerstone of that but there are decisions that are made in each of these vendor platforms that you know cause us to have some challenges when it comes to doing the interoperability testing. I'm not saying anyone's doing anything wrong. The point is is that those are decisions that are made and when we look at CNF vendors and wanting to show that those interoperate on those platforms. There's usually a fair amount of work that needs to be done. And on the top here. This really will talk a lot about cloud native networking at functions or CNF's we also want to make sure that you know we don't leave anyone behind because we're stuck on a term. So we're really talking as we've mentioned in the past about applications from edge to core so this is something that is looking to leverage the benefits of cloud native and be deployed on a cloud infrastructure. This is this is kind of the scope and the right hand side really is to try to reflect a little bit about what what are some of the challenges we're hearing. So we're certainly hearing from, you know, from the operator community that many of the CNF's or cloud native networking applications are still lacking in the desired cloud native characteristics and behaviors. And perhaps that's not surprising where you know we are on a journey but I think there's an there's a desire to see more of those behaviors as they start to to progress on these journeys. And we know that the validation of CNF CNF with the specific platform that is, you know, selected or being used by the CSP is a fairly time consuming and costly effort. And we also know that CNF vendors, much like the company I work for we're doing pre validations on a select number of cloud platforms and, you know, as a smaller vendor in this community, you know, I'll say that we typically are following very much our customers demands so when they say they want to run a particular infrastructure that's where we start to look about, you know, our validation efforts, and it is a very timely and cost costly exercise. There is today a number of different, you know, platforms available. There will likely be a number of those and I'm using this right now this is highlighted opinionated because what I don't want to do is I don't want to create, you know, the sense. Someone's doing something wrong what I'm trying to say is that there are different flavors, or I should say not only I but we're trying to say that there are differences. And there probably always will be differences in other words it will not be one cloud platform. And that's part of the challenges that there are differences and how do we handle those differences. And again, I've already mentioned that we have, you know, Kubernetes is a cornerstone to many of these but each, each vendor is making an even operator, you know, depending on what if they're using public private or the type of cloud they're using, you know, this will they're making choices that you can complete that fabric. So, you know, we if we're looking at this from a very high level, we know we have a number of different platforms we have a number of different applications that want to run there. And we have some challenges in terms of not, you know, interoperability but also in terms of displaying or exhibiting the type of behavior that, you know, that people are expecting from these. I'll just please, if you want to interrupt or just, you know, have a comment to speak out or or send a message on chat otherwise I'll just continue in the interest of time. The next thing is just this is a little bit of a recap what we've said before but we want to try to put this again back into some of this context so we're not saying we can solve all of the problems and all of the challenges but we believe we can make a difference. There's three areas that we have highlighted in the past and that's really been focusing on cloud native and Kubernetes native best practices and what we mean by that is for networking, helping to work through those areas where we still have challenges to make sure there's clarity on the best way or the best practices for addressing that with Kubernetes with cloud native in mind. And our focus then is really about driving greater industry alignment on what we've in the past referred to as foundational so we're really trying to say well what's the common denominator here it's cloud native and it's Kubernetes native. We know that there are going to be those opinionated differences, the further along we go, but we're trying to address the foundational. The second part of course then is testing and open source testing catalog that it can be consumed by others, whether that's a different projects within elephant, different adjacent projects like for example project Silva. I think there's benefits for the members of our community such as CSPs and vendors alike. I use the very specific example today the company I work for we actually have taken this open source testing catalog. This is, you know, exists under CNCF, and we have that as part of our CI CD pipeline so we're actually as we're developing a product and expanding on it. We continue to run these tests as a validation, you know we've already once been certified but that's really not this point of this it's as you expand your product and you add functionality and capabilities that you continue to do so and validate that you're doing so in a cloud native way. The second part of course is we believe that there is value in a CNF certification program or cloud native networking certification program that does not necessarily imply just one type of badge. We know there are a number of different projects within the within LFN that are addressing different aspects of cloud native networking. So this is something that we should discuss, you know, this will be part of the ongoing discussion discussion. For example, we've mentioned in the past nephew, which is really addressing automation and and lifecycle management for for infrastructure and cloud native network functions. They may as a community decide one day they would like to also provide certification, whether that be a CNF that is compatible with nephew or if there are infrastructure. One also show that they're that they are aligned to nephew. So the idea here is to create a an an industry leading CNF certification program. And the point of that is to really help drive confidence. So as the CSPs are looking to cloud native networking in their strategies. And as they start to look for applications that are going to provide the type of benefits that they can look to a an open source certification that will help build that confidence and allow the industry to drive further in the adoption of cloud native technologies. The next slide is really work in progress. So I'm going to skip that one for right now. But maybe a little bit closer to heart. Now we've been talking for some time now about what assets do we have. So on the left hand side, there seems to be, you know, some people who have been involved here understand it quite well. Others may not really have had full visibility and what was taking place on the CNCF side. So I'm highlighting three of the main assets that we're looking at in terms of bringing that into LFN. And that doesn't just mean lift and shift, but you know, as, you know, as baselines for something that we can expand upon so really there's three main areas the beating that we're in today, as Taylor has already mentioned has been used in a different way and then we're using it now, primarily to work through pressing issues and really look at best practices that can be developed we've published and best practices to address some of those issues. We have the CNF test suite, which is a catalog of tests that can be used by, you know, essentially anyone who's interested you can consume these tests. This test catalog run tests against your applications and really see how you're performing or how a particular application is is performing in terms of its cloud native is cloud nativeness. And then you have the CNF certification. You have to see which we have, I think, you know, there's a probably slightly under 10 today but there's a number of vendors who have gone through the certification process this is a beta CNF so our CNF certification, meaning, in my mind really this was an initial start the intention. I think there's around 13 tests that are required to be passed. And this is current day around 13 essential tests that needed to be passed in order to receive that award the idea was that this would evolve. There are certainly more tests in the test suite that can be used. I think the intention initially when this was started is really to allow vendors to start understanding where they are. And of course, over time we start to increase the, the level of testing in order to achieve that that that certification. And of course, we need only then but, you know, going forward we need CSP involvement there really to understand, you know, when we reach the meaningful level of tests that are going to start to drive this things that I mentioned on the slide before the confidence, you know, to be able to say, I'm this this CNF is actually going to provide the type of benefits that I that I'm looking for. On the right hand side, and maybe two other points just quickly on the left hand side it's been community driven so I think I just want to highlight that I think all of these, all of these working groups have been you know participate from members of the CNCF community have been involved there. As I mentioned from my own company we've assisted in terms of you know whether that's identifying bugs or testing and providing feedback for new tests. This has certainly been a community driven effort. On the right hand side we have within LF networking. I think the most relevant, and I don't want to cut, you know, say that there may not be other assets but I think the ones we have seen so far of most interest has really been around the market are to track the Kubernetes track there for for the cloud native infrastructure. This is also of course community driven. This is the application infrastructure testing and Hello. Hello, can you hear me. Yes, we can. Hello, this is me. I wanted to say something to bring something to the attention of this forum. And I say something. Yes, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I wanted to comment that there's an additional asset that maybe is related with this proposal this initiative or come benefit of this initiative or the other way this initiative benefit from this other asset which is the existing project with the Linux foundation called Silva. The project Silva is intended to build a reference stack a cloud native reference stack for telco, trying to address some of the issues that you have commented. And within Silva, we have also we have two working groups one is more than two but there's two, let's say working groups for this purpose. One is the working group the development which is building actually this reference platform that is cloud native and follows the Anuket Rc2 so it's compliant with the Anuket Rc2. And the other working group is what we call the validation where we want to validate demonstrate that CNFs can work on top of this Anuket Rc2 compliant. So, in this way, we are promoting of course promoting cloud nativeness because we are defining this reference implementation and demonstrating that CNFs can work on top of this reference so somehow these CNFs are cloud native but we are also introducing a specific validation of how to demonstrate that these CNFs even before we start validating them, they demonstrate that they are cloud native so they follow all the principles defining the CNFs street also defined by Anuket. So I think this project this asset can benefit of this because whatever is defined here as the way to demonstrate a CNF is cloud native will be a precondition for Silva for validation in Silva. But this initiative can probably can benefit of Silva because in order to demonstrate that a CNF is cloud native is not only following some of the principles being able of deploying capable of demonstrating that it can deploy on this reference platform should be an additional requirement somehow for CNFs to demonstrate that they are actually cloud native. So I just wanted to highlight that we have this project and we could benefit one from the other. Yes, thank you. Yes, we are this thank you I appreciate that. And in fact I think you know and please correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that within Silva as an LF your project that we are that they're you know the use of the CNF testing suite is actually one of the tools that you that you're using for those validations correct. Yes, we are using CNF test suite. This is what we are going to do. This is why I say we can benefit one from the other. Yes, I agree. I agree with you. Okay, thank you for that. Absolutely. And I will come back to that in terms of as we sort of start to look at what this proposal and in terms of, you know, an LF and project how that would look and how we think that benefits other projects like nephew like Silva. So thank you for that. Okay. And just, you know, from a reflection again, I've mentioned this earlier. So, you know, on the left hand side, you know, this has really been, you know, when you're using the test suite, the only requirement is that you're using a certified version of carbonate Kubernetes. So that's sort of the Kubernetes native piece of it. And then of course, you know, we're interested in cloud native best practices on the right hand side. Again, this is not meant to be anything negative is just simply saying that as you get closer and closer to an implementation. Then you have, of course, you know, there is the increasingly specialized and opinionated track, which is, you know, you're showing them that CNF runs on that epic cloud infrastructure. And so that is of course extremely important and valuable. I will. This was still work in progress. I'm going to skip this one from right now, but I want to show you the last which is I think hopefully everyone has seen something that looks similar to this and then and I think this will be the last slide for today. So what we have talked about when presenting this is a new initiative that is within LFN where we're bringing together assets from CNCF, but also LFN. And there may be others we are still in that exploring stage to understand what, what, you know, what assets exist that we can reuse. And of course, then how we position this in terms of, you know, different working groups. And right now, the, the idea is that this starts as, you know, somewhat similar to how we were showing within CNCF. You have a, you can have a set of best practices that are addressing the challenges. I mean, we can go straight to writing tests, but I think we first need to also understand what are, you know, what are the ways that this can be solved in terms of cloud native Kubernetes native. How do we do that? What are some of the suggestions in terms of best practices? Of course we one of the most valuable tools and assets will be a testing catalog and I'm not saying that this is the CNF test suite, but I'm saying that a testing catalog that we decide upon, which then can be expanded and consumed by others. And of course, the Luis just bringing up, you know, the things that you find as you're testing and working with Silva, we're hoping that that can be feedback into this testing catalog. So there may be additional tests that are valuable, irregardless of whether you're on Silva or Aniket or Silva infrastructure, if you're running on something else, you know, we're looking for those foundational tests that are going to be useful. So we can also look, as we go forward, we can certainly consider project specific tests, but I think I'm going to leave that out for right now I think the idea is, we're trying to be a benefit to downstream projects.  The idea here is we have best practices, we have testing catalog that can be consumed and then we have a. This would not be a Silva certification, this would be more around this cloud native, the CNF, for example, is following best practices. Now what we hope is that we can expand the number of tests that exist today by working with other LFN and adjacent projects. So the things that you see here, for example, LFN projects that we can collaborate with to create a more robust testing catalog, and to support them as they desire, not that we are going to, you know, very much in the same way that Aniket assured has been working in the past if a project wants to have support in doing certification, we can help with that. And then what I, you know, probably could put these in a slightly different color, but just to highlight that there is value. Again, I just mentioned my thing in my own company as a CNF vendor. One of the things that we do is we leverage the existing testing catalog and we certainly believe that that can expand to cover more area, you know, have a greater footprint in terms of the number of tests that validate that our, our particular network is done in a cloud native way, and it's following best practices. So I think, you know, that really applies to, you know, whether CSPs want to use the testing suite as part of a sanity check, if you will, to also test certain CNFs and whether they're built in in a house built or their purchase from others. This could be a tool that they could be used. So this really is sort of the high level. Again, proposal as a standalone initiative that would have broad availability and broad value for a number of adjacent projects. So I'll stop there. I'm very interested in the last 10 minutes. If there's feedback, of course, I don't want you to feel limited to these 10 minutes. But if you're interested in helping out, please do reach out to either myself or to Taylor or Lucina. I think you've seen all of our names on the on the meeting minutes. Please feel free to reach out to us. We will continue in this Monday meeting, but to have all this presentation for the chat. And we would like as much input and feedback as we can get. So stop there and take any comments, notes that you might have. Yeah, looks good over one again, some feedback from my chat with Olaf. I think what tech would also like to see some sort of a roadmap slide or kind of what will be what do you think will be available and when it doesn't have to be very detailed, but to give the tech some idea of what, what is the, what's the plan and what's the expectation to have available. Again, especially between now and kind of the April timeframe. Yeah, good point. And thank you for that. We'll do that. We'll address that. I don't want to. I'll raise it now as well. I think there are a few other things that I think need to be, you know, they may not be specific to this particular initiative, but I think they may draw drive some other decisions for, you know, for LFN in terms of things like, for example, we know, and I mentioned here certification program, we know we have a certification program today under etiquette, but I think that has been somewhat. It's been fairly limited to and to the etiquette project and the etiquette efforts with this I think we're we're talking a bit more of having ability to go a little broader. At least mentioning that we should probably have a separate effort to sort of look at etiquette assured and what what we do with that. If we move forward with this initiative, as it is been described. So that's, that's probably another area, but I think more importantly is what can we do and how can we quickly start to show value for the community and I think that's something that that is really key to our success. Hi, Olivia. This is Juan Carlos García from Telefonica. I made a comment. And just to understand, as we said, in a silver plate, we are reusing practices and tools from Anuked Nifio and other projects. What you are proposing now is to take all these best practices, testing catalogs and certification from Anuked Nifio and take them to a standalone initiative, right. So that Anuked Nifio will stop doing that job. Well, the thinking is the thinking is that the the certification so I want to be very careful how to describe this so I think the idea is not so much to dictate to any project, you know, so for example within the remit of cloud native networking I think really looking at these and cloud native best practices and certification for that I think that should be within the remit of this initiative. What I'm suggesting though is to your point if, if Silva, for example, is making use of the test suite. If there would be a desire and maybe I'm sorry that I think I said Silva, if Silva was consuming the testing catalog, and certainly we expand that with with input from from Silva, that I think that's going to be great what I think then is as far as certification goes if if Silva wants to have a certification program. That is entirely fine. What I think I was pointing to more is that Nifio that is directly under LFN today. If they would like to have a certification program we will work with them and assist them again the idea is to avoid them having to, to create processes around certification when they're are already under the LFN but you know their processes under LFN that would help them. And there is deciding which requirements in which test that's very much going to be the decision of nephew so we're not going to, you know, take over or you know try to dictate that it's very much in terms of supporting those types of efforts. Does that make sense. I'm thinking about the future in Silva because I guess that if we are now somehow using Nifio and Anuketa's references and this certification work and these practices are going to be done in this new initiative but it's better to set the relationship directly with this new initiative instead of with Anuketa Nifio. Yeah, I just guess it. Yeah, I think let me let me give you another sort of idea. So, so one of the things that we feel like would be that will be beneficial for this initiative is that we are a bit free. You know, we remove some of the dependencies so for example, a, and I'm thinking about end users now so operators as an example, you know, an operator decides they want to use Anuketa or Silva that is great. But if they decide they want to use something else and they still are looking for cloud native. We want to be able to support that.  To me that's really about like a Silva compliant CNF right it's a, or it is a Silva compliant, you know, implementation of Nifio that those I think we need it will probably need to work together in terms of how you, how we market that just to sort of people understand this is very specific to that platform, whereas someone may want to do the same thing but simply using a different infrastructure. Okay. And I think we need to be open for that that's at least my, you know, my opinion is I think, you know, we know that and you know that the operators will choose select different infrastructure that suits them best. And so we want to have, you know, we want to be able to provide value to them as well. And just a last question for clarification, Olivia, and this certification work that is done, you know, this new initiative is pretends to do is just schemes frameworks tools. It is not the process itself so I understand that the certification process will set up in the projects. The enterprise needs to do so. So I mean, this initiative will not certify will define schemes frameworks tools, but not and support other players to to set up the certification process is right or is my understanding run. I think that that's correct. And the only reason I'm hesitating is I think the idea again is to give you know, whatever has been when there is going to be a need for certifications directly related to this initiative. So I think just think certified CNF right so it's really cloud native and Kubernetes native native CNF certification. We have that process, I think if there are parts that can be consumed and reused for other projects to help them, then I think we would, you know, we're happy to do that but I don't think you know that will really be the decision of that or not. But I mean then you will have the process setup you will have labs for this certification and you will issue certificates for CNF vendors. Well, in fact that today, you know, and how it's been done so far in the CNCF is this is really, you know, I would say self, you know, self service in terms of you know your requirement is that you're running it on a certified version of Kubernetes. There was no lab provided so it's really up to you. I think this is where we can start we know we need to start thinking about those things but. So, so yeah, we wouldn't, we wouldn't necessarily, we wouldn't be looking to have a lab for specifically Silva or these others. I think that's, you know, we're certainly not there in the next in as any type of ambition. Okay. Thank you. Sure. Okay, I think we're just about out of time. I will include the, you know, the link to this if it's not already I'm not seeing the meeting meeting minutes at the moment for sharing but we will include the link to this presentation. It will continue to evolve so feel free to please, you know, look at it at comments if you like and, and again don't hesitate to reach out if you want to, you know, add some more comments and feedback to us, we'll be happy to have that. So with that, thank you everyone for joining and thank you for taking the time to let us walk you through our thoughts. Thank you. Okay. Thank you everyone. Thanks. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Bye. 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Hi everyone, Joe for jazby's casebreaks.com coming at you with 2021 tops diamond icons baseball. Love this stuff This is a one box pick your team number 13 And this is not a this. I think this was a holdover from a Previous version of this break, but this is not a loose box that we got from our distributor. It's a fresh case So good news there, it's a fresh case and there's a hit list promo So at the end of the break, we're gonna take all the hit list names and randomize them top Two names will get $50 of break credit each. So here's the list right here I'm just gonna be keeping track of and there's no diamond bags to by the way But I'll just be keeping tracks of the of the hits I'll be taking out your names if you do get something out of here And if you don't well, we got a little consolation prize big. Thanks to everyone here for making this happen One box pick your team 13 on a Thursday from a fresh case Appreciate everybody making this happen There's the diamond icons We'll roll the dice We'll see which one box I was worried like what if we got shorted a box. All right, there are the four boxes right here.  We're gonna select the Viva Las Vegas Die right here and pretty easy. We'll go one two three four on the dice roll if I roll a five or a six We'll just roll again and it's two. So we're gonna do that box right here and These we will save for next time. So next time. We'll probably go one two three four five six on the dice roll Good luck. A lot of cool stuff and diamond icons. Let's see See what we got What would you call it a gatefold type box right here? All right, here we go. Good luck We got a few more of these in the store if you want to run these back. 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I know there's some hit list people Sad times for the hit list people, but you've got a chance at a little consolation prize Let's grab everyone's names who went hit list. There's some new dice. There's a new list. Let's take out The blank spots here and once again, it's gonna be the top two Getting $50 a break credit each has a little consolation prize. Let's roll it and randomize that list five and a six eleven times one two three four five six seven eight nine ten and 11 then final time after 11 we got Darren and Richard $50 a break credit each going your way jaspy's case rates calm. We just popped open a fresh case They're not loose boxes from our distributor. We popped open a fresh case So let's keep the diamond icons going one box at a time. I'm Joe. I'll see you next time for the next break. Bye. Bye


Welcome to the Original Gangsters podcast. I'm your host Scott Bernstein. We want to do a kind of a double duty here. We're going to correct some past false information that we were reporting. And then we're going to also report some relatively new information that's coming from the same source. So this is regarding the Lucchese mob administration. We were calling it a shuffle or a merry-go-round based on what former Lucchese soldier John Penise had said in a Q&A session on his sit-down news podcast on YouTube. But he came out and clarified. Originally it looked like he was saying that Paddy Redd Del Russo had become an acting boss for a couple years in place of Big Mike DeSantis. But that was not true. But what is true, I guess, is that according to John Penise, Paddy Redd, who was the under-boss starting in about 2017 via an administration shift ordered from prison by Big Amuso, who ordered one sitting administration out and another sitting administration in. The administration that was coming in was Big Mike DeSantis, Paddy Del Russo, and Anthony Simone. But John Penise, who was the person that gave the fence this information in the first place about that change in the administration, and seems to be really plugged in. He's saying now that Paddy Redd, not only was he not acting boss ever, but he's no longer the acting under-boss or the under-boss. John is claiming that he'll come out in the next week or so and give some more details and some more context to why Paddy Del Russo got either voluntarily or involuntarily removed from his under-boss spot. But it looks like that's the big piece of news, the accurate piece of news that's coming out of this kind of confusing Lucchese news cycle. But it looks like, according to John Penise, Paddy Redd, Del Russo is no longer in the administration. So we'll wait to hear what that means. But just to clarify again, Big Mike DeSantis never stepped down, was never, well we had said before they didn't step down. But it looked like he had had to kind of take, had been on the sideline for a couple of years based on what we were interpreting Penise saying in that Q&A. But now he clarified it. Big Mike has been in the boss slot, acting boss slot now since 2017. He's born on seven years now. And it was an inaccurate statement to say that he wasn't the boss for a short period of time and that Paddy had taken the spot. But now we're learning that Paddy is presumably back to his captain post. He's a guy that goes back in this crime family back to the Goodfellows crew, that big poly vario crew out of Brooklyn, and is a guy that really juiced in, did some significant time, big in the airport rackets back in the day, juiced into the unions. Knows a lot of guys around the country. So we'll see what happens with that. But just to clarify, Big Mike DeSantis, still the boss, never left the boss's seat. But Paddy Del Russo, aka Paddy Red, who became acting under boss in 2017, there were rumors that he became full under boss in 2020. At some point in the last three or four years, he left that position is no longer in it. And we will wait to see who fills that slot and why John Kinesi tells us that Paddy Red is no longer the acting under boss or the under boss in the case of crime family. For OGPod, I'm Scott Bernstein.


Cross-platform play, specifically with the Nintendo Switch, which of course makes you feel like we're talking about a Nintendo Switch too, right? If you ever wanted confirmation, it's going to be another Switch-like device. Well, Nintendo basically gave that to us plus cross-platform play. So kudos to Nintendo! Oh, beyond all of that! We also now know about a potential brand-new game in development by Nintendo. Thanks to some hiring posts. And yes, this game also happens to be for the next-generation Nintendo, aka the Nintendo Switch 2. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to finally talk about something that isn't just like speculation or somebody random on the internet said something. No, no, no, no, no! We have actual, evidential support for some Switch 2 stuff, and I am so excited. But before we dive into that, I need to remind you that we are giving away a Nintendo Switch OLED Zelda Tears of the Kingdom Edition. We're also giving away a Collector's Edition of Tears of the Kingdom, and we're giving away, oh boy, can I get this out? The PAX East pin for this. I'm so excited. All you have to do is go down into the pinned comment or to the description to enter. Also, we're on our road to 133,000 subscribers, so I'd appreciate it if you would go ahead and hit the like button on this video. Comment down below and let me know what you're most excited about with the new hardware, like what you think this new hardware needs to do, and then, yeah, when I hit the bell icon so you're notified of every video we do. All right, so before I get into this, I gotta tell you the full credit for this entire video, which has two parts to it, belongs to another YouTuber called DocTray81.  Let's get him to 10,000 subscribers. He's a little bit short at 9.6. Let's get him to 10,000 by the end of this video. I'll put a link at the top of the description down below for you guys to go subscribe to his channel. Now, what does DocTray81 do? What is he known for? What does he specialize in, and why are we paying attention to what he says? Well, he actually does amazing research in the hiring post on LinkedIn profiles, which is how he has discovered many behind-the-scenes happenings over the years, and all of those panned out because he's not basing it on speculation. He's basing it on what the companies are actually hiring for and what those hiring posts say. So facts, in other words. So he found a LinkedIn profile of an employee at Area 35 Incorporated. This person is presently working there, and has been since 2021 to present day, and he's currently working to spearhead UI slash UX developments for various video game projects both in Unity and Unreal Engine 5 on platforms such as Nintendo Switch, Mobile, and PC. Notably, this doesn't actually include PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series for some reason. Now, DocTray does go on to note that Fortnite might be the only game on Switch using Unreal Engine 5. I think there's a couple more games in development using it, but I don't know anything that's released with it. I know Yoshi's Craft of World used Unreal Engine 4, but I can't really recall a ton of UE5 games. So if there are other Unreal Engine 5 games running on Switch, let me know down in the description below. I'm very curious what else besides Fortnite is using it on Switch. Anyways, so he wanted to obviously know, DocTray did, who the heck is Area 35. So he clicked on the Area 35 Inc. link from the profile. At the very top of the profile for Area 35, it notes one particular game in our immediate pipeline is a long-running, industry-leading Japanese IP with global mass market appeal, which is forging ahead into the next generation using Unreal Engine 5. And it says, these are their words from Area 35. Feel free to guess, but we can't tell you what it is. So it's something they're really excited about. Now, it also notes on this page that you will work alongside industry best talent, including Yasuki Kozaki, which worked on Pokemon Go and Fire Emblem, Takuza Suzuki, which worked on Diablo III, Starcraft II, Final Fantasy XVI, and Michael Chu, who did Overwatch, Diablo III, and Warcraft on a small, tight-knit team. And what's interesting here, of course, is there's only really two games on that list that really fit, maybe three if you want to argue Pokemon, but Pokemon Go was not made in Japan. So Fire Emblem and Final Fantasy, right? Those are like the two games that stand out as, hey, those are Japanese popular IPs. Well, why do we think then that this is going to end up being a Fire Emblem game? Well, it does note that the company is currently in production of a Japanese strategy slash RPG in a similar vein to Tactics Ogre, Vandal Hearts, and Bahamut Lagoon. Now look, all of those games play very similarly to Fire Emblem. So it would make sense for this to be a Fire Emblem game. Of course, it could be another Final Fantasy Tactics game. We can't ignore that possibility, but we have more evidence why this is probably Fire Emblem and not Final Fantasy, although I wouldn't necessarily be against a Final Fantasy Tactics game. Because on Area 35 Inc's page, it includes a link to another job posting. So Area 35 advertising for companies they probably are working with, and this job posting is at Safe House. This job posting is for an environmental artist, and in it it says, as this project is targeted at lower power devices like the Nintendo Switch, the senior environment artist will also need to be someone who has the technical ability and know how to make even complex environments look good while keeping the system low down. Now this doesn't clarify if it's like a Final Fantasy Tactics or a Fire Emblem, but the fact that Fire Emblem is already mentioned by name, the fact that the reference was Final Fantasy XV, and we're clearly not getting Final Fantasy XVI Switch to at least not anytime soon, I would say that it is highly likely at this point that this is dealing with a new Fire Emblem. And I know what you're saying, we just got Fire Emblem engaged in January. Guys, this would be a game in development for the next generation device. So it probably won't even be coming out this year or next year. I mean, it could be a 2025 game, but it is something to consider that potentially this person was hired for it. And by the way, these third-party companies like this, while it's not like the in-house intelligence systems or whoever's spearheading the next Fire Emblem, what it is, is companies that do VFX work. So they're doing some of the graphical work on the game, and this is very common for Nintendo and many studios to hire outside companies to handle that sort of stuff. Now, that's really cool. But what if I were to also tell you, as I noted at the beginning of this video, Nintendo is actually confirming cross-platform play for their next generation device. And in doing so, essentially confirming it's another switch. What if I were to tell you this was a thing? Well, DocTray81 was at it again in another video. Again, both linked down in the description. And in that, he notes this. Here's the hiring post right on screen. Notably, it references in the data for the position. It says, Optimization and Security for the Nintendo 3DS switch and other Nintendo platforms. Okay, so maybe the other Nintendo platforms just means we, you. Well, in the hiring post, it states the following. The goal will be to aim for and go beyond a state-of-the-art solution in these fields, targeting current and next-generation Nintendo platforms. And what field is it noting in this hiring post? Cross-platform play. That's what they're hiring for. So Nintendo, and this, by the way, is the Nintendo European Research and Development Team out in Europe. So the nerd division that does a lot of research and development for platforms is essentially confirming in this post there will be a next-generation system. It is going to be a sort of Nintendo switch because the games will be cross-platform with the switch. Oh, and by the way, cross-platform play is a massive deal and going to be a thing for a while, at least. And they're trying to get on the cutting-edge technology to pull it off. This is really exciting, and honestly, just cross-platform play is something that all of us, maybe not everyone, supports. Nintendo has traditionally not done cross-platform play. They usually have, like, one game, and then it's not even technically cross-platform, right? It's just a game that releases two different versions, one on a former system, one on a current. That's not perfectly cross-platform play, but it doesn't really matter the fact that they're even fundamentally investing in this generation. Fire Emblem, yada-yada, we're...aw, man. I can't wait. I'm so excited for this. Anyways, I hope to catch you guys tonight on our live stream. If not then, then I will see you in our video tomorrow. But we should be live tonight around 8pm Central Time.


Live from Atlanta, Georgia, it's theCUBE, covering Citrix Synergy Atlanta 2019. Brought to you by Citrix. Hi, welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of day one of Citrix Synergy 2019 from Atlanta, Georgia. I'm Lisa Martin with Keith Townsend and we're welcoming back one of our CUBE alumni to the program today, Marybeth Lopez, founder and principal analyst at Lopez Research. Marybeth, great to have you back. I'm excited to be here, excited to be at Synergy. This has been a great day. The keynotes kicked off this morning with a really strong messaging around digital workspace. They gave so many stats that I think all of us can understand and digest. One of the things I talked about was by 2020, which is a few months away, as frightening as that is, 50% of the workforce is going to be mobile. We also know that this modern workforce has five different generations of varying technology expertise. But one of the things that Keith and I really struck us this morning was that I think it was David Henshaw that shared a number of seven trillion dollars is wasted every year on lack of output because the employee experiences are challenging. And if employees aren't satisfied and happy, a talent attraction retention out the window. So the future of work really is dramatically changing. Your thoughts on that, you've done a lot of research on that and the employee experience as a catalyst for digital transformation. Well, I think if we step back and look at where technology's gone, we spent a lot of time just deploying technology, trying to digitize the business, right? That was the digital transformation. And you have to ask yourself, what's next? And I think what we've seen is that on the consumer side, we've seen this whole consumerization of technology and when you're at home, you have great services. When you're, David Henshaw actually talked about what you could do as a consumer versus what you can do as an employee. And my personal perspective as employees are people too. There's no reason why you need to go to the office and you shouldn't have a good quality experience. But I think we've spent so much of our journey looking backward, like, okay, we have to take these things that we had before and replicate them in the new world. And now I think we're moving with digital work spaces forward. What does it look like to work in 2020 and beyond? So I'm excited about that because I think it changes how we view it to being about what should the process be? I'm always surprised whenever I talk to a security professional and I say, and I walk to them and I say, you know what? This customer wants to transfer data from one research institute to another one. What hoops do we have to jump through? I'm surprised when they say none, just have them do it. That is a very fore-thinking organization that's thought through this process. But not every organization has done it. What did you hear either today on stage or during your experience working with Citrix that is reducing that friction between kind of the need for security and the need for friction-less work? If I need to share a file with a community group that I'm working on, I just jump on Google or whatever and do it, what is Citrix doing that you've seen to enable that type of frictionless employee experience? Okay, so I'd say the first thing that's happened is that technology used to be in these really discrete silos and you as an organization had to be a systems integrator to make that happen, to make it so you could seamlessly share the files. You had to figure out their identity service, your identity service, permissioning in docs, you had to have similar technologies. I think what companies like Citrix are trying to do is take all that process out, do all that systems integration for you and to actually wrap a layer of security around it at the outset as opposed to trying to retrofit the security at the back end of it, which is typically what we've done. And so now you're not trying to figure out how do I MacGyver five tools together to make this happen with duct tape and sticky glue, you're basically doing things like saying, I already have a security framework in it, I have to select how much or how little security I want, but all the rest of it's just, it's baked in. I could just roll it out and have it happen. The people element though, when we talk about security, we know that people are the number one biggest threat where security is concerned. They'll go around the process. Or just take my password. Yeah, exactly. Or it's written down on that sticky note that MacGyver is going to use to engineer the software. Where do you think Citrix is and what they talked about today with digital workspace security analytics in enabling the employee experience to be done in a secure fashion, especially as there's so much distribution of workloads, people, businesses, applications. So security has always been a multi-layered problem, but the problem that's been the weakest link has been the end user, because you decided that you needed to have a 13 character alpha numeric special characters, only these five kind of password environment that changes every 90 days or for different things. What I think we're moving now, the whole Citrix story around this federated identity, whatever identity tools you're using, you can use those, we'll make that happen. You can get to a point where it's single sign-on. You can get to a point where it's multi-factor authentication where it's a thumbprint or a passcode or choose your own adventure as an organization around how many of these you want. But it means that I as Maribel don't have to memorize 15 different things, which doesn't happen. I write them down, I put it on a sticky note, it's in my desk drawer, right? So rather than do that, we get to a much more unified environment if I remember one thing and it allows me access to say the 500 apps I might have in the organization because you've found a way to authenticate me in a way that is seamless but also meaningful and secure. So when I'm on site with another employee, I can simply take these devices, I can flip that over, grab a pen and start collaborating with my coworker and that's how ideas are formed. Talk to us about the importance of the partnership between Citrix and Microsoft with the team solution. Like we were taking this DM, IAM tool, marrying it with Office 365 products and then putting collaboration around that. Where's the value Citrix is bringing to that collaboration? Yeah, so I think there's a couple of pieces of value that Citrix brings to the collaboration. One is this concept of context switching. Like how many tools do you want to go to to figure out what's going on, right? So some people are in this type of messaging, some people are in teams, some people are in emails, some people are in some other social network, right? There's about eight or nine different places any given person could be or be doing work with somebody because we all have preferences, right? So the question is, if you're someone like Citrix, how do you help somebody unify that in a way that they can see all of their different touch points and teams is becoming an increasingly growing part of that touch point community, right? People like that instant on access to other individuals, right? It's become part of our nature in consumers. It's now part of our nature in business. But that doesn't mean that you might also not want to be looking at your Outlook email. It doesn't mean that there might be something that's in Salesforce that you also need to be cognizant of. So what you look at someone like Citrix is doing is helping you unify that with the tools you already have so you can leverage the best of all of them, but they're not so disparate that you can't figure out what's going on. When you're having conversations with customers in different industries, where is the employee experience and the intelligence needed to drive a really solid employee experience? Where is that in terms of a C-suite imperative? So if you asked me that a year ago, I would say it wasn't as high on the list as it is today. I think what's happened in the past year is that we did a survey actually and 78% of the C-suite put it in the top three for their list of imperatives. Security actually being obviously one of the key issues of our generation, it seems. But in addition to that, people really get now that talent is the competitive differentiation. So employee experience is related to talent. And employee experience is, it's actually many things. You can define it extremely broadly from the time that you are engaging with a prospect all the way through the time that they become an alumni of the corporation. So employee experience isn't this one and done, bounded thing. It's not just when you're an employee, it's not just when you're in recruiting. But in general, corporations really get this. And now they're looking for a way to make this happen. And I think there's lots of ways we can make this happen. One of the biggest things that I think is happening is the concept of not just redoing our old experiences, but looking at what work should look like today. And that's what are the devices that they're using? Are they owned devices or not? What their physical workspaces look like? How you integrate technology in buildings? What does your digital workspace look like? And not just for employees, but we also have this new gig economy that we're looking at as well. So if you really want talent, part of the employee experience might be that they are only going to be an employee for three months. How do you make sure you get them on board day one? That they can do their job effectively with all the tools they need. And then when it's time for them to leave, you can turn them off so they can secure your data and content. And be really confident that they didn't take the keys to the kingdom with them. So I think that employee experience is a critical board level topic. And I think the biggest challenge now is figuring out how do we define that and what tools do we need in the organization to make that happen? So as I look at kind of this alumni network married with the gig economy, I'm a former PWC guy.  Sure, you don't want to come back and get burnt out again, but there's always opportunities to come back and do projects. Yeah. You know, as talent gets, in my opinion, more and more scarce, especially specialized talent around AI, machine learning, application development, process automation, et cetera, there's going to be a need to go out and extend your search for folks around the globe to do that work. When you think about partnerships and whether it's technology partnerships, partnership with staffing companies, partnerships with social media, what are some of the trends that are kind of arranging or emerging as companies look to globalize their work force? Yeah, well, I think you picked up on one of them. One of them is being, well, if I step back for a second, I'd say we have to think of location independence. So a huge trend, particularly in large metros, where talent is very competitive, as people start to think more broadly about, are there new locations that we want to create offices in? If there aren't new locations or they're just easier ways to create a remote work environment where people can work at home, and there's two types of remote work. There's remote work, like I want to work at home maybe two days a week because the commute's terrible. Or there's remote work, like I never go to an office. And both of those have to be first class citizens and both of them also have to foster a sense of community because part of the challenge around that is what we call the water cooler problem. How do you give people enough technology that they feel like they're almost in the room with people? That they have the right access to people and information wherever they are and that they are part of an environment and a culture because I think that's really important. So we're seeing location independence being one of the huge trends we're looking at. We're also seeing that trend of they can come and they can go. They might be what I call the part-time employee trend. We're also seeing a trend of use the tool you want. There are many ways you can get a job done. You might be a PC, a Mac, a surface person. You might want to use big phones, small phones. All these things don't necessarily need to be company owned as well. So how do you give people the tools they want? People are very specific about what collaboration suites they want, what document storage they want, what SaaS applications they want and teams will pick these types of things. So it's really important when people are building the next generation of technology that they allow enough flexibility for choice so that you can actually say, okay, you want to use these devices. You want to use these SaaS apps. We can find a way to manage and secure that and let you work the way you want to work because that's attractive to you and that will keep you employed with us. When you're having those conversations with businesses about the location independence, which I fully supported and doing it for a long time, there's a cultural impact there. Whether it's a startup that's been around for five years or a legacy corporation like Citrix, it's been around for 30. How often does that cultural transformation come up in your customer conversations? And similar to my question about where employee experience is within the C-suite, are you seeing cultural transformation also elevate to, hey, in order to be really competitive and really successful, we've got to modify our culture maybe to embrace, not just for technologies, but these different ways of working. So I've been talking to a lot of organizations about what is the concept of diversity mean? And diversity means a lot of different things. Diversity means diversity of geography. Diversity means diversity of opinions. Diversity means diversity of technology. It is changing the way you think about culture from being everybody has to be in the building. It's also diversity in terms of how you evaluate an employee's worth. So one of the big cultural changes that people have been talking about is they felt it was easier when you were sitting in a building from nine to five to know that you were working. And now people are working many different hours and many different geographies. And I think the big rethink for organizations is what is the value that you're bringing and what are the metrics that you're impacting? And how do I focus on that as opposed to you worked 3.2 hours today because your VPN connection said so? That thinking has to go away. It has to be moved into a meritocracy, but it also has to be very much structured of like we really need to know what we're trying to do and trying to accomplish so we can create the right goals for our employees. And I think that that concept of going from, I saw you so therefore you must be working to you impacted our net promoter score, you impacted sales, something that you can say this was the business value of employees so that they feel that they have worth and you understand their worth is actually a real big change in future work that's not about the technology. Technology can enable you to get there, but it's really about a rethink of how we do business. Exciting, I wish we had more time, but Mary-Bell, thank you for joining Keith and me and sharing your insights at educating us on even just the different ways of looking at diversity. So interesting, thank you. Thank you so much. Our pleasure. For Keith Townsend, I'm Lisa Martin. You've been watching theCUBE live from Citrix Synergy Day One from Atlanta, Georgia. Thanks for watching.


Next question is from Daniel Delgado 6. I've been training for a while under the influence of marijuana. Basically, every workout I've done for the past four to six months, is this bad? I get this actually a lot. I know. Because I openly talk about my marijuana usage, people always want to know if I'm high working out. Yeah. I did not like it working out. I hate it. No. Okay, if I'm doing, like when I was competing, if I was doing like an hour of- How do you ramp it up? Yeah. Like, well, I mean, it relaxes you. Yeah. So- It's great for mobility. I want to be tight and tense. Yeah, exactly. So, if I was doing mobility or cardio, where I want my mind to go to another place and just kind of like get into what I'm doing because it's repetitive, whatever you're doing, right? If you're doing mobility or you're doing cardio work. But training is, I don't know, I want to be fully alert and tight and rigid. Well, studies show that it reduces explosive performance, but it may help with stamina and endurance and pain tolerance. So that may be where the person, you know, might get a better workout from it.  Caffeine. Which is caffeine to do our workouts. I, these days rarely ever work out without having caffeine. So I would sound like a hypocrite to say, you know, you probably shouldn't work out under the influence of anything. Now, here's a deal with cannabis and your body. It probably has negative effects on your hormones. Probably because the human studies are mixed, but the animal studies are pretty consistent. They show that it does reduce testosterone production in animals. In humans, it's mixed, probably an estrogenic effect.  One of the first things I'll ask you is, do you use a lot of cannabis? And then they'll have you reduce it because it's been shown to cause that in men. So doing that and then working out, is there a potential negative effect? You know, again, the challenge is controlling all the factors. Is the fact that he or she is using cannabis making him more consistent? In other words, if he didn't use the cannabis to work out, he'd be less consistent. Well, we got to weigh that in too. But let's say everything is equal. So using it or not, he would still work out consistently. I would say it's probably a net negative because of its effects on inflammation and hormones. It's probably reducing kind of the muscle building signal to some extent. That being said, though, I mean, if it's not... I think their big concern is like, is it killing my gains, right? When someone asks a question like this or when I get DMs about this, I get a lot like people are just like, concern that is this killing my gains? Am I going to the gym? But because I'm going high, I'm getting 50% of the benefits that I would get. See, I haven't heard a lot of people actually working out high versus people are using it as a recovery afterwards. I get it a lot. Especially with a lot of athletes where their output is so extreme that it actually helps them sort of to get down more into a steadier heart rate. I know a lot of people that use cannabis before they work out. Oh, so do I. It's actually up there with one of the top DMs. Yeah, no, it's one of the top DMs. And I think that a lot of that has to do one. Obviously, I talk about it openly on the show. So everybody just assumes I'm the super stoner and ask me all marijuana questions. And then I also just think that it's been accepted. Chronic user of chronic. I mean, just 10 years ago. I mean, I forget what the statistics were on how many people... Bro, in the 70s, a lot of bodybuilders used marijuana before they worked out.  People do everything high now. Yeah. Well, a lot of things are better. Yeah. A lot of things are better. But I prefer like movies and stuff over my just day. I will say like, if you're going to do stretching, if you're going to do mobility, cardio, I could see that. I have done it and lifted weights just to test it out. Me too. And it definitely doesn't work for strength and power and performance for me. But if I'm like just trying to get a pump and I'm just squeezing and focusing and concentrating on muscles and isolating, then I could maybe see. I could see that. Yeah. I could see a day where I'm like beat up. I know I shouldn't go heavy. Maybe that's one of the ways to keep me from going heavy is like, I'm going to go in stoned. And so I'm going to just cruise around, take long rest periods. I think there's just stoned on that. Light weight, get nice pumps, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I could see that. Dude, there's this huge community of people that will smoke weed or eat it and then do jiu-jitsu. Like a huge community of people. Well, so I kind of see that because that sport, you are supposed to be kind of loose, right? Loose. You don't want to be rigid and stiff and tight. And especially when you're thinking ahead too, right? In terms of your moves and everything. And so like it seems like it's... There was a tournament. I don't remember where the tournament was. I think it was like a... Get in the zone. I don't know if it was a 10th planet jiu-jitsu tournament. 10th planet's Eddie Bravo. Obviously a big pot advocate or whatever. And they actually, before they did the match, they smoked a joint. In front of everybody. And then they did jiu-jitsu. So it was like this big... And there's this whole other side that's like so anti. Well, I mean, I could see that though, right? Because it's so conducive to like flow state, right? And that, I mean, it could promote that, right? So if you're... That's where I think marijuana has some benefits. Like if you're doing something or getting into flow is super beneficial, I could see the... I know a lot of snowboarders. I mean, that's some of the things I like to do. Like before I ride, I totally like that. Really? Yeah. Which is counter to what you're saying, right? Because obviously if I'm doing a hard cut or a jump or something explosive. Yeah, but you're just trying to cruise, probably. Yeah. I'm just trying to cruise. And I want to be so into what I'm doing. And so I just... Being high when I'm doing that makes it... I can feel a difference. But at the end of the day, I think you got to be careful, right? You can abuse anything. I've known my sheriff's donors that... Just became completely... Well, to me, that's... Have you ever worked out? Have you ever worked out? Hi. You're gonna be that guy. Yeah. Don't be that guy.


Hello, it's because it helps people find and fix bugs, and I think it's really important. And we found out that there were some people who used Git bisect automatically using Git bisect run, and they got really great results, hopefully I will be able to show you a slide. Yeah, no, I don't know what's going on, but yeah, there were some studies about cost of bugs, and as you know, bugs cost a lot to the economy. There was a study in 2002 that said they cost $60 billion every year to the US economy alone, and this year there was a study by Cambridge saying they cost more than $300 billion to the world economy. So I don't know if many of you have used Git bisect, but there is a command, Git bisect has many subcommands, and one of them is Git bisect run, and you can pass it a script so you can fully automate your bisection. And when you have a workflow that consists in first writing a script to that shows the bug, if the bug is there or not, and then passing it to Git bisect run, and then fixing the bug, and then committing both the test script and the bug fix together. It's a very simple workflow, but some people who used this workflow got 40% who used Git, and this workflow got 40% less bugs over one year after using Git and Git bisect, and also they got something like more than 80% reduction in time to fix a bug. So, yeah, I cannot show you some slides, but anyway, thanks for listening, and if you want the slides, I will show them on my computers.