think we could get started. Great, I'm now recording. Thank you. Alright, welcome everyone. This is an open call, as I always say, public call. Anybody is welcome to join. However, you should be aware of the anti-trust policy and as well as the cut of contact, which pretty much sums up to saying you're welcome to participate as long as you're a decent human being and don't act like a jerk. Alright, so I don't think we have an agenda. I mean, any announcements per se? Do we, Silona? Not that I'm currently aware of. Okay, so does anybody have any announcement they want to insert in now? This is your chance. Otherwise, we can just keep moving along. There was one quarterly report that was submitted, HyperledgerIndy, and I think it is worth taking a moment to look into it, because I saw it has generated several threads of comments, and I know that HyperledgerIndy is going through quite significant refactoring due to the split with Ursa first and now with Aries. So maybe we should take a moment to discuss this. Nathan, you want to talk about it? Sure. I should also point out that Lynn Bendixon is on the call. He helped prepare the report. A look at the Indy report. We're kind of in a transition period with the code moving over into Aries. It's up to you guys. If you prefer Lynn to go ahead. I don't mean to ignore him, sorry. Sure. I hope everyone's had a chance to go over to read the report, so we won't bother reading through it. There are a few things to point out. One with the transition from Indy to Aries. We've had some, a lot of debate about how the SDK, that was Indy SDK, is refactored into the Aries SDK, and then the pieces that are Indy-specific remain in the Indy project as the Indy resolver. And that process has been taking more time than we expected, mostly because the commercial vendors who depend on the code base have been much more excited about building up the infrastructure on the Aries side as opposed to refactoring the SDK. So the Aries project is still largely depending on the Indy SDKs on last stable release as opposed to having finished the code reorganization and re-released an Aries SDK to depend on. We expected that would have gone a little faster, but there's still parties interested in it, so going forward it's just taking a lot longer than we expected. And the other thing that's happening on the ledger side is we kicked off quite a while ago what we call the ledger 2.0 effort, but because of all the excitement around Aries, that effort has been delayed time and time again, and we feel like we're having trouble recruiting as contributors to that ledger 2.0 effort as we expected. I know Chris raised the question in the comments of, isn't that a good opportunity for maybe some platform consolidation across Hyperledger? And I guess my comment to that is exactly. That's actually part of what we've been hoping for, but we've had a hard time getting ahold of maintainers of other frameworks to talk about things like state proofs and how the BFT algorithm we've been using works. I know that Sawtooth put some effort in on adding BFT support to their platform. We haven't really heard a lot from where fabric is on that relative to the, you know, their changes with how CAFTA does their gossip protocol and things like that. So those are conversations we're definitely interested in continuing to have, and we've got some questions around whether promoting plenum as a more of a generic framework would be valuable because it seems that it's still somewhat unique in terms of support for a BFT consensus protocol at global scale. But it's also not really the same kind of framework as Sawtooth or fabric in terms of its modularity. So that's something that we're interested in opinions and feedback on. We're also interested in any advice or suggestions about how to handle the marketing between the different projects that we support with Aries and Ursa and Indy and trying to keep the messaging between the three of them clear. I think the community is doing a pretty good job of pushing them each in their own niches where Aries has had really good success getting some cross project collaboration to happen. I think it's messaging is doing fairly well, and then Ursa as a cryptographic library is really well established as being an independent kind of thing. I think the bigger question is how to make sure that Indy doesn't get lost in that messaging as Aries and Ursa are more of the new hot thing relative to Indy, which has now been around for a while. All right, thank you. If I could add something really quick so I could interrupt. This is Lynn. I'm not sure Nathan said it. I didn't hear him say it, but I wanted to point out that right at the beginning there are mentions that there's additional contributors and 2,000 more commits this quarter. Indy is still alive and well, making lots of future enhancements and changes and fixes and it's still going strong. I decided to mention that, I think. All right, thank you. Nate, this is Chris. Do you have a specific set of requirements for a compatible ledger for Indy? The requirements are fairly basic in the sense that our transaction set is fairly small. We also, we require finality in terms of how the BFT algorithm works and we're... Well, does it have to be BFT as my question? Yeah, pretty much. Well, if you can create an algorithm that has full finality, it's okay if it's not exactly BFT, but you need to be able to look backwards in time and know that a potential state at a point and that makes it so proof of work based approaches are really difficult. I'm sorry, there was like some horns beeping or something when you were talking. You have to be able to go look backwards in the past. So let's say, you know, someone's house burned down, you want to look backwards in the past and know for sure that the insurance company and the government and everyone else who's involved in fulfilling that claim agrees on the state backwards in the past at that specific point in time. And if there's, you know, any sort of block height measurement required to know whether there was finality, it creates controversy around whether everyone agreed at the exact same point in time to the same state when you look backwards in the past. Well, so fabric has finality when you commit to a ledger. So... The other component there that's really important to us is the ability to make sure that state can be verified offline. And that's where the feature of state proofs is really important to us. And, you know, we've had some success talking with the different frameworks about the idea of being running in a BFT mode or having finality. We haven't really ever been able to get into the conversation of state proofs with any of the other frameworks yet. Nathan, have you considered... Can you hear me? Yeah, go ahead, VP. Yeah, have you considered hard stuff or any of the variants of that which are open source and which seem to have much more scalability in the BFT realm? There's about 12 different algorithms that we've evaluated. If you join the Rocket Chat channel indie ledger next, you'll find a whole bunch of folks that are having this conversation on an ongoing basis. And there are also links available to a lot of the analysis that we've done on the different platforms. We've looked at a few of the other open source communities that are working on BFT style algorithms. And we've also looked at, of course, all the different hyper ledger frameworks and tried our best to gather some of the requirements of what it is we're looking for. As we did a lot of those evaluations, we came to the conclusion that Plenum was actually a lot better than we thought it was in a lot of ways because we've already had quite a bit of production in production experience on a global scale doing BFT, which a lot of the other frameworks just aren't really interested in. They're doing BFT in controlled data centers or in isolated network environments, which means that we are subject to and suffer from a lot more corner cases and a lot more bugs that, or we've fixed a lot of bugs and corner cases that they haven't even hit and run into or addressed yet. So as we did our first round of evaluation on that, we actually came away a bit disappointed that there weren't more options for us to switch. But there must be reasons why you're searching for a different BFT algorithm, right? Well, the core reason is we'd love to get more throughput. BFT algorithms are pretty expensive. We're talking right now about the idea of dropping down from RBFT down back to an Ardbark-based approach just for performance reasons because we haven't seen a lot of leader attacks on the production network and recalculating the leader in an Ardbark algorithm is not that much more expensive than RBFT. In theory and in practice with the way Python is written, RBFT has enough of a performance penalty that it isn't really buying as much in terms of security on the types of things that it's supposed to help with. So we're considering dropping the redundant views and just using the more of a pure Ardbark-based approach on our BFT algorithm to help with scalability. But we don't want to give up offline credentials support and we don't want to give up the finality of being able to compare revocation registries across multiple issuers. So it's kind of where we're at as a result. But Nathan, I'm not sure I understand why BFT is a requirement for you given that your permission network, even though you're public, I mean, could you not work with justice towards being able to validate transaction? Well, there's a few reasons for that. First, because the network's public, anyone needs to be able to audit and verify it regardless of whether they're an issue or not. So all state must be valid.  And having that finality helps with that process, it also means that everything ends up recorded in state on the ledger. That doesn't affect the BFT nature of the system as much. The thing about the BFT nature of the system is you want to make sure that everyone can consider their own internal system, the system of record, and that the ledger is really just is the public oracle for resolution. And when you lose finality, it makes cross silo credential comparison more difficult. It's certainly possible. You can do it the same way you would with Bitcoin where you say it's not on the ledger, it's not real. But that ambiguity creates some controversy for different use cases that's easier to avoid if you don't try to address it. Right. But you're talking about losing finality. If you have a ledger that doesn't lose finality because there's no forking, I'm not sure. That's right. That's right. You equate finality. There's other practices that are possible. Okay. Because in fabric, we don't have BFT, but we do have finality. So I mean, one does not imply the other. Right. There is work on, you know, in a various outside of hyper ledger, you know, working on various sort of BFT versions of the ordering service. But again, that's why I was saying what exactly are your requirements? You're saying BFT, but what you're really saying is you need finality. You need to be able to sort of validate or, you know, to verify a value and identity. And then you mentioned something about offline validation. Right. Yeah. So you wanted to know the offline validation. What does that exactly mean? Does that written up anywhere? Yeah, I think so. There's a few documents that describe it. They're mostly described in the areas RFC for the credentials exchange protocol. The idea is that anyone can have retrieved this the state off the ledger and you can pass it peer to peer. And the peers have the ability to validate that state without having to talk to the ledger directly. So we're using the permission nature of the validator pool to make sure that clients can validate whether something's part of the current state of the ledger without having talked to the ledger directly. As far as BFT, I used to think about business team faults a lot more than I do these days. But I think the consequence in a network like the one that the indie supports would be that if you have an actor, even though it's a known actor, if that becomes corrupted intentionally or inadvertently, so it's just not following the protocol. Again, whether that's a malicious protocol violation or an inadvertent one, you risk corrupting the state across the network. So it's just that added protection that not only will the network continue to survive if some number of nodes crash, but if some of them start violating the protocol, you won't start having a broken network. We've got maybe state committed in different ways and different nodes. Yeah, and because most of the identity transactions are very read heavy and don't incur very many rights, that's really why we air very heavily on the side of safety so that you know that you own and control your own identifiers and no one can front run a duplicate identifier and you don't have any ambiguity on revocation registry state. As we're hitting use cases where people are trying to model different business cases using revocation, we're seeing people look for higher throughput in order to say, you know, I'm going to issue say a credential for prescription, a drug prescription, and I want to revoke it when that prescription is filled. Those sorts of use cases are starting to hit higher throughput revocation on the registry and that's where we're kind of looking at it going, is it worth the safety trade-offs to try to get something that's faster? I think we should stop the discussion now, but I really don't want it to stop either. So I would really, I mean, as you all know, we've been, you know, promoting the notion of convergence for years and it seems like there's an opportunity here and we should definitely continue this discussion offline so that we understand exactly what the requirements are and what the possibilities are. I mean, I think it's fair for the indie folks to say, well, you know, we don't have anything that meets our needs right now, but we should, it shouldn't be accidental, right? So we should make sure we understand the ins and outs of what's possible and so that we have a good idea of why things are the way they are. I would be remiss if I didn't mention with this that we are, we have an event in December that is the Aries Connectathon. If there's anyone who's interested in kind of how this, how the protocol works or in how their ledger relates to the protocol, that's a good forum to have an in-person discussion with the architects that are heavily involved. That's good. Maybe you could put a pointer to this in the comment or something or add this section. If you just comment to the reporter, it'll be fine so that people can find out more if they're interested. Okay, let's move on then. The two upcoming reports that I know of, Hyperledger, Borrow, and Performance and Skillability Working Group, so please get at it. They are due for next week officially, so the closer we can get to that, the better. And then so we can get into the discussion part of the meeting. Not that we didn't have one already, but it's good. I'm glad we had that discussion. So we already went through a quick debrief of the Maintainer Summit. There was an effort ongoing about gathering the different reports that the different groups have put together. A lot of them were posted live, understand on different channels, and for those who were out of the meeting, we didn't get a chance to attend the meeting. It's hard to know what happened, and so it would be nice if, at least on the page of the summit, we had pointers to the different reports. I'm not asking for people to go ahead and write full reports, but I think if we could help people find the relevant information that has been disseminated through the different channels, it would be good. And, you know, Rocket Chat does link, so all the text really is to find where the entry was and figure out the link and put it on the page, can put that in a comment, and that should do it. When I went there, I didn't see really anything you there, so I think it has not been done, so I would appreciate if everybody made an effort to do that. I don't know if there's any, anybody who wants to add to this or ask questions, otherwise, related to the maintainer assessment. Yeah, I think that people maybe shouldn't necessarily about having missed out on content that you could capture in a report, and you're careful not to make decisions and things like that. You don't leave anybody out. For me, I think a lot of the value is in sitting down with people that you normally don't have time allocated to sit down with and doing through the exercise of feeling what it's like to do a pull request on their project and do those kinds of interactions. It's kind of a live interaction. It captures well into the report. Who was the dog's barking into the back? Oh, sorry. That was Gretel. Well, it was Dan.  And I think Gretel has criticism about the members of it. Well, she's get some commits in and then we'll see. She didn't get a vote. Otherwise, I will add to the maintenance. I mean, Brian has heard the desire to have those maintainers submit and is committed to facilitate for those to happen, at least with some frequency higher than zero, which has been the case for the beginning of the year or most of the year, I would say. So hopefully we can make that happen. All right. So unless there's anything else to this, we can move on. So the next one is the common repository structure.  Chris suggested we create a task force last week and I was like, come on, we don't need that. Let's just get to it. And then of course, nothing happened. So this is my request now. I'm like, okay, I guess we do need some task force and maybe we don't have to have a full fledged task force per se, but at least somebody's got to take the action item to try and work on it and making the discussion happen.   So yes, Chris, you want to volunteer? Sure, sure. I'll volunteer to be the task force. Since I suggested it last week. Yes, I think it's if you talk about it, maybe you should take it. No, no, I already did my mea culpa. So that puts, you know, okay, but yeah, I mean, I'm happy, I'm happy to do that. I think, again, there's sort of two aspects of this. One is, you know, what files are expected, maybe which ones are suggested. And then I think within a couple of them, there's specific content that we may require. Yes.  I'll see if I can set up a call between now and next week. Okay. I mean, whatever, you're in charge. So whatever you think, you know, is necessary to make the, to make progress, that would be good. Thank you for volunteering. Sort of. Thanks for throwing me under the bus. Unless there's anything else on this, I'm happy to move on. This was the, that was my goal of this, you know, putting this on the agenda today was to do just that. Do I just ask, Salona, I know Ry is not on. Is somebody, does somebody create a wiki spacer page for me? Or do I do that? So there is a page there. If you click on this, this is a, but this isn't really a task force or I mean, I mean, I'm happy to try and get this, you know, resolved in the next year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you want me to create? Yeah. Well, I think in the past, we created a task force page just so that it's clear what it is. Do we have a space for that for these kinds of things? We've, like CICD, we've created spaces, right? We have a task force space. Right here that I'm showing, that I'm showing on the screen. It's not really anything specific that we've created in the past. Chris, it's just a page that you create over here in the task force. Can we take the existing page and move it? Or maybe you could just work right off the existing page. I could create a page and link it to the other one. I want to say what minor conversation there is to mostly be talking to myself. Well, there's already discussion going on on the pending topics or TSC page, right? So maybe just hijack that page and create that sort of pages with minutes of any call you have or anything like that. That'd be my suggestion. No, I just wanted to sort of, I mean, since we sort of agreed that it's task forces. Okay. Well, create a page under task force. And link that to the common repo structure. Yeah. Okay. But do I do that or is that something that the staff has to do? You can do that. I can. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. I don't. All right. Chris, let me know if you run into anything and I'll help you straighten it out. Does anybody want to join the task force? And if they do, just hit me up on market chat or whatever. Hey, Chris, I'll help. Thanks for this. Yep. Me too. This is Dave. Dave. Okay. And I think Rai's already volunteered himself because he's contributed to the discussion as well. All right. All right. Thank you. Let's move on. So next on the agenda with decision log, and I know Tracey has been working on something there. So I think we're ready to vote. So you may have seen some of the decisions showing up having the page properties at the top status outcome minutes. So I've created a template that will automatically create a page that kind of looks like this, right? It has the page properties at the top and overview of the proposal and then kind of the formal proposal or proposals, if you will, right, that we're talking about. And then I've also created the TSC decision log on the TSC space. So if you click on the TSC decision log, at the bottom left corner in the actual page list, right there, you'll see that basically we've got a list of outstanding decisions. And then if you scroll down, you've got the closed decision. So I've gone back and I've retrofitted all of the decisions that we've made to have the page properties. And then I've also retrofitted any pending topics that we have to also have the same page properties. I only show the title and the status on the outstanding decision because obviously outcome and the minutes are not really required. And then at the very top of this, if you click on create new proposal, it will create a subpage here that basically looks like this, right? And ask you to basically put the overview of the proposal, the formal proposal, and then actually includes the reviewed by as well so that we know that there's something new coming at us that we should be looking at. So this is what I've come up with, happy to change any of the page properties if we think we need more or the format of this. But that's kind of where we're at. All right, that sounds great. The only other thing that I recommend it is that we move our closed topics and our pending topics for TSC under the TSC decision log so that everything's all together. And then the TSC decision log is basically an index of all of the outstanding or closed decisions that we've made. So that's where we're at. I think it's definitely worth it. So I think last week we ended, we were basically ready to make it formal, you know, have a formal decision on using this. And so we kind of ran out of time and then I wasn't sure everybody understood what was implied. So now that we actually see it, thank you Tracy for doing all the hard work there. And I would like to suggest we approve this decision now. Motion or? Sure, I'll make a motion. This is Dan. Second. So we can do a positive vote. Everybody is in favor, says hi. Hi. Hi. Anybody abstaining? Not hearing anyone? Anybody against this? Okay, hearing none. So this is hereby unanimously approved. Thank you. I will move the existing pages then under the TSC decision log and we'll go from there. Very good. So I think I want to insert one aspect that is related to the decision log though, which came out of some of the discussion and questions that have been raised, which has to do with the fact that obviously, I mean, we make those decisions and we've made quite a few decisions earlier this fall and we got to the life cycle for the projects, right? Project life cycle. But we don't necessarily translate that or implement this into actual documentation for anybody to find. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. And I mean, we're not very, I'm afraid we're not very rigorous in how we do this. And it leaves people sometimes looking for information that's not necessarily easy to find. And I mean, Silona, I think you mentioned, we had a discussion the other day about this. Do you want to say more about that? Sure. So we have documentation like the project life cycle, the project incubation exit criteria, things of that nature where we go through and we have these different defined policies that are being changed in regards to the different votes that are happening, but it's not being reflected. For example, first major release, there were some major changes, but it doesn't reflect in the documentation. And I was suggesting that perhaps we should move a lot of our governance over to GitHub. I'm not sure what's so loud in the background. I think the ones that wasn't me. Yeah, I just put them on mute. It's a number. It says 3349. But so sorry, whoever you are, you're on mute right now. But I was going to suggest having the documentation be in GitHub so that the TSC can help maintain it better through pull requests, and we can have discussions that way via doing the wiki documentation. Because right now, if my team was to maintain it, we don't really have a set approval process for this for these things to be updated correctly and maintained. All right. So I think this is, I mean, the move to GitHub is an important step. I don't know whether we want to do this or not, but I think the point about ensuring that we have an implementation of all the decisions being made that is, you know, beyond the recording of the decision itself is important. So as Silo and I was pointing out, regarding the first release, for instance, we define set of criteria that, you know, that goes way beyond what's available that you can all see on the on the screen right now. I forget the number of the issue, but it's one of the issues we just resolved the early September. And, evidently, there is a problem of responsibility as to who has to implement the decision. And maybe as importantly is, how do we keep track of what has been implemented or not? I don't know if we need to have some kind of, you know, flag or something on the decision log to say yes, and now this has been implemented in the documentation. But we need to do a better job at keeping track of this so that all the decisions that impact our processes are indeed people who are new and didn't get involved in all the discussions can still, you know, get the right information from the documentation without having to pass through through all the decisions we've made that may have modified the documentation they're looking at. Any comments on this? I think if it's possible, the decision should include the impacted references to the impacted documents, if possible. For example, the 1.0 release impacts the lifecycle document impacts Dave's document. So maybe we need that either as a comment or as part of the decision itself. Yeah. And what about this idea of moving the documentation to Github? I like that. It does, though, imply that we would take a lot of the conversation on the evolution of a change into the PR process. That's probably a good thing, but it's definitely different than what we're doing here with the commented threads. I think one way you could look at it is like the conversation in the threads and here on the TSC is a conversation about requirements and specifications. And then once that's agreed upon, then a change to what is essentially the source code for our governance, which is the documentation for how our project works, how we work, becomes just like in the requirements in a software project, an open issue leading to a pull request, leading to various plus ones and then a merge. So I think it's pretty clear that the intent and the balancing act of priorities and policies and such should still happen with the decision log that was just approved in the conversation here. And this is really just about how do we map that to how we work. Does that make sense? I think the biggest challenge, and we saw this, I think previously, is having multiple places where people have to go look is a challenge. Do they go to the Wiki for this information? Do they go to github.io for this information? Where exactly am I supposed to be looking? Because I think we've hopefully mostly trained people that they should go to the Wiki when they want information about the hyperledger in the community itself. We haven't trained them that they need to go to github.io, if you will, for looking at the governance of the project. And so that's the only concern that I have is when you have multiple places, then people don't know where they should go look. Yeah, it's a good point. And you can prune them and you can cross link obviously docs in github from the Wiki. Still train people to go to the Wiki first. The challenge is search, right? Because the search on the Wiki won't turn up links over on github. Well, I mean, we don't have to decide this today, but I think this is something people should think about. I mean, the first point, I don't think there's much to think about. We ought to implement, you know, ensure that documentation reflects the decision we've made. That's just a failure for us not to do that right now. Yeah, I mean, on the decision log one, I put a bunch of action items at the bottom to make sure that I remembered what it was that needed to be done. We could do that, right? Just add to the template and action items section where, you know, it's obviously blank to begin with, but people fill in kind of the places that need to get updated once this decision gets approved. Who has edit rights on this page, for example? I believe everybody has edit rights. It's only that note that's stopping people from doing the wrong thing. We could also roll it back to if they do so, but yes, and we do have notifications watching on that page. Yeah, I mean, I have no problem with this. This is standard wiki behavior and setup. It's like, well, the history is there to tell us if somebody is screwing with the page, we can divert it. That's it. I have no problem with that. But so I get, looking back to your suggestion, I like that Tracy, if we can add something to the template with an action, and then that can be marked as completed when it's done, I think that would already be an improvement from where we are today. Will it be assigned to who's going to be doing the changes and when? So that is an interesting question. There's the question of who is whose job it is to do, but I would hope the staff can help us there, but it doesn't have to be the staff. I'm sorry, somebody tried to speak. I was just saying, I think with the checklist items, you can add wiki user on that. So if it was going to be myself doing one of the actions or Saloma doing one of the actions, that way it's just not ambiguous. Maybe that's just a process thing that we check. Are the action items done before we think about, not done as in completed, but are they listed and do they have an owner before we actually approve the decision? There's also questions about interpretation for when things are moved over, because they typically, the way that they've been written in these pieces, they don't really kind of fit directly into the documentation as it's been created. Also, one of the things that my team tries to do are these templates. So when someone's doing a proposal or project, and we did this one quite some time ago, Tracy, you did it in November, then there was another rough draft of the form that was done in, I don't know, I think this was February, but hasn't been implemented yet, because it hasn't been approved. So do we want to create things that are forms for each of these to make it easier for people to fill out the requirements and do the different things like the versioning, the exit criteria, just as we did with the project proposals, you know, things of that nature, is that something that we have a discussion period about in regards to it and is there a process for it? Like does my team create a rough draft, and then it goes through an auditing process where everybody, that's why I was suggesting GitHub is because once we create it, what's the process going to be for the approval of it? Is it going to go through the same thing as the decision law? Well, I don't really want to over engineer this stuff either, so I'm in favor of keeping it at the adding an action item, and then maybe if we do like Tracy was saying, we review when the action items are completed, people are given a chance to review how it was implemented, and if they want to raise issues, we can look at it again, but hopefully it's not an issue and we just move forward. I would prefer that my staff and I do have a review process that's put into place in regards to it where maybe we can put the different ones up and we can put the word rough draft or something like that, and then it comes back to the TSC and then y'all can have the additional comment because I found even with implementation, there's room for discussion, and so having something where we do that and then do the rough draft and then have that go through the review process would be helpful. Okay, so we need to figure out the mechanics on how to implement that, and one possibility is to move to GitHub, so let's leave it at this for this week and people can think about this. I think one that can be a workaround is what Tracy was saying, where she was saying, have that be a thing that's assigned and a date's put on it, but at the same time understand that there's going to be one more bounce at it, which is once it's in this documentation, everyone still has to go and read it and review it and say that this version is okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think that's reasonable. Anyone else? If not, let's move on. I think that's does it for this week for the decision log, so let's move to the next agenda item, which is back to the TSC election. This is the last issue we have. It's basically who qualifies to participate in the TSC election, and it's both who is eligible for nomination and who gets to vote. So I think we've heard in the past that it's been a pain for the staff to figure to put the list together just because we don't have a very good grasp of contact information for all the people who participate, contributes. At the same time, there are different opinions as to who should qualify anyway. On the one end, we've been pretty relaxed about the fact that, well, yeah, somebody might just fix a coma or a period in a documentation, and if it gets committed, then they are on the list. We have added working groups, we have added a bunch of other things, so the labs I think have been suggested, which I think makes sense personally. And so Silas posted a comment saying, well, some of these commits seem to be just for that reason, basically, or maybe it's not the TSC election itself, but they just want to pump up their Github profile by adding commits, which fundamentally don't have much value. So I mean, we definitely have a whole spectrum of opinions on this. How do we come to closure? I don't know, you have yourself remarked that this is the over, you know, spreading of the electoral vote, I mean, voting population does not seem to have much effect because what we observe is 33% participation, which indicates that even if there are a lot of people gaming the system, they all don't seem to be voting, which is kind of pointless. I mean, yes, they could be gaming the Github results for their own personal profile. But that has nothing to do with whether they can vote or nominate in the TSC elections. So we may be rushing to solve a problem that doesn't exist. You had suggested this earlier, and it kind of resonates with me. I think we just make it simply a commit, and that seems to get everything, and I can't imagine there's a lot of people willing to get in commits because they really want to get a vote into who is on a steering committee in an open source project. But for, you know, if you're working on a white paper or something as a contribution at some point, that reaches a level of maturity where it should be version controlled anyway.  And that also unburdens the working group chair from the year after the fact, trying to remember if somebody was a contributor. So I posted it in the TSC chat. There's actually a lab that has the contribute script that are used for deciding or for pulling the information from the different repos as far as who's done a commit. So there's a list of repositories that are used as well as kind of a mail map file that basically maps. So when somebody has used multiple email addresses within the year or within Hyperledger as a whole, you know, mapping to the one that they prefer, if you will. So, you know, obviously, all of this can change, but that's, that's kind of the mechanism that's used today. So now that's just shifting the deck chairs though, because now you have to maintain the mail map file. How is that version controlled? And do we do a commit hook that says, hey, your email address is new to us?  Do you need to add it to the mail map file before we let you let it code? There's, there's all kinds of stuff. Like the ultimate goal here is to be able to calculate who can vote, right? So, yeah, well, but the mail map is only required if you've used multiple emails. Or if you've used like a no reply for your GitHub address, right? Other than that, you don't need to fill in the mail map because the first, you know, email that you use it will be used, right? Because this is only to clean up all the garbage that exists from people committing on different machines or that sort of thing. I'm just saying, I'm expecting limited utility from that because there's lots and lots of these. And this would be one more hurdle that people will have to go over and they won't know about it. It's definitely something we should do. It's just not a silver bullet. What about authors? I mean, the committers can be different from authors and even in GitHub. So are you checking the committers or the authors or both? I don't remember. You'd have to look at the scripts to see what it's using. That's why it's out there is for people to look at and to comment on and make fixes if necessary. It would be whatever it's whatever it was two years ago that they that I was asked to put this out on GitHub so that people knew how we were actually pulling this stuff. So it was transparent to people. So it's been out there for a while. Yeah, I have had a look at it, Tracy. I don't remember whether it was authors or committers or both. But anyway, I'll take another look. Since you don't have to do the heavy lifting every time. Okay, but so I think, you know, I think it would be good to document. I mean, are we comfortable with saying, hey, just look into there if you want to know what we are actually or should have some documentation that says this is what we mean to select. And then that script, whatever it is, you know, is just an implementation of that. Yeah, but that goes back to the problem of whether it's just the committers or others who have contributed technical artifacts to Hyperledger. Since we have multiple ways of contributing, this doesn't cover all the ways. I know what Dan is saying, but I don't agree with it. You know, basically, we have had this discussion for a while for a reason because people are getting excluded from the list. And my contention still is that it's not people getting excluded. That is the problem that is the people who are on the list not voting also, which is a bigger problem. So it seems to me that we would make progress by already documenting what has been done, let's say at the last election. Do we have that written somewhere? I'm guessing who did that? Ry did it, right? So he's not here today. So maybe we can follow up with him and I'll be happy to take that action item, I think. And then we can look at that. That's the status quo. This is the starting point and see if we want to make any changes one way or another. So to Vipin's point, it's not so much a matter of collecting the people as much as we have all this list of 600 people and only 200 of them or whatever it is actually vote. And so what about the others? So it's been pretty consistent. Some of it is possibly due to not being able to contact them. Some of it could possibly be due to the fact that we have this in August when everybody in Europe is on vacation. Some of it is just because people really don't care. So I think we've moved the dates to September so that we can not be trying to get people to vote when they're at the beach or the lake or the mountains or whatever. And we can obviously seek to improve the ability to reach out to people. That's a continuing effort. Again, somehow or other, ideally somehow or other we would tie it to the Linux membership. But even that I think has problems with emails because you don't really I think Rai has actually said that even the Linux foundation email doesn't have to be real. But the more important thing though is the third piece and that is the people just don't care. And so I think on the one hand we probably should try and work on that to sort of so that people do care. I think we've been moving towards a little bit more technical conversation ever since the whole discussion around consolidation and various other things have come up. And I think that maybe is something that will hopefully get people more interested. Certainly there are people who were complaining about the last time. They should be interested then in the outcome. They should vote. But I do think that we could be working a little bit more. And maybe some of that is just raising awareness and maybe the timing will be what gets people to care a little bit more because they're actually not on vacation. So again, I tend to think that instead of focusing on the mechanics of are we chasing commits or are we not getting emails, let's maybe focus a little bit more on well we have 600 people and 400 of them aren't voting for some reason why. And maybe if we did some sort of a survey to find out, so you were eligible to vote, why didn't you vote? Or maybe the email is going to some spam folder and they just aren't getting them. I don't know. But I think we could focus a little bit more on why didn't they vote and that's what I'm suggesting. Yeah. Okay. So we're out of time. So I'm going to close the call on this. I will take the action to follow up with Rai to at least document what we have done for the last election. And we can follow up on this. I will point out that to me, it's very much in line with what we were talking about earlier about the implementation of the decision because we've made modification to that selection list, which I'll probably spread around in different decisions at different points in time of the TSE life. And we don't have the consolidated results of those decisions. So I think what we discussed earlier about decision implementation is very relevant to this. But with this being said, I'll respect everybody's time. And so I will close the call on this and I'll talk to you again next week. Please try to make progress offline in the meantime. Bye. Thank you for joining.


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trolling the north we can see that controlling up ground it's not meaning that they will not dig from the down so we have to achieve something else if we will achieve like our leaders coming down and killed in this war maybe it will be the breaking change point for this war to be surrendered and then it will stop and Israel is trying to understand maybe what point we are exactly and how to move on Netanyahu is not giving us any sign for it but he is saying we will press because he wants to see if there is any information that we can get from the inside do you think time might be running out for this ground offensive not just from international pressure also domestically we have hostages that have been killed mistakenly by the IDF that are being pulled home now the support for the ground offensive we see the big protests now in Israel is there a time coming to an end for this big operation from the point of the hostages and what the deadly things happened and unfortunately it was a mistake maybe but we cannot judge these soldiers until we will be there in two days inside fighting we will be able to judge them but still it's unfortunate an act that happened but from my point of view I'm optimistic if they could get out from somewhere that they will they was holding maybe others will be able to get out from the captivity of the Hamas and it's very good sign for us that something is collapsing there if somebody get the opportunity to get out on the issue of the hostages thousands of Israelis turned out last night for a big demonstration in Tel Aviv demanding new progress in a hostage deal the killing on Friday of those three shirtless white flag waving Israeli hostages by Israeli soldiers broke the heart of a nation and family members of hostages fear their loved ones could be next amid the chaos of war speakers at the demonstration last night included both the loved ones of current hostages but also recently freed hostages who say that the best way to get the rest out safely is another deal with Hamas 10 days ago I met with the cabinet and we all warned that the fighting would likely harm the hostages unfortunately I was right I survived if the agreement to release the hostages had been delayed by a week I might not be here the hostages are experiencing hell and they are in mortal peril every day every hour every minute is critical Israel must offer another hostage release deal and get the international community to back it we want to thank the ministers at the cabinet for making a deal and I am asking you don't give up on anyone don't leave anyone behind do everything to get everyone home today and now every day that passes they wither a little more and wonder why the hell no one gets them out of this hell and maybe they were actually forgotten about my daughter was there every day that passes is a danger to their lives I was there my daughter was there do not abandon the hostages we must act now a deal is required today bring them home now Netanyahu addressing this very issue in that press conference last night arguing that the massive military operation in Gaza was the very reason in the first place Hamas agreed for a partial hostage deal and the reason it may do it again Netanyahu also confirming the reports that new negotiations are actively underway to bring home remaining hostages without the military pressure we would not have succeeded in creating an outline that led to the release of 110 hostages and only continued military pressure will lead to the release of all of our hostages my directive to the negotiating team is based on this pressure ceasefire remove our troops they have all kinds of demands so what do we understand as soon as we give in Hamas has won we are obligated to eliminate it and return our hostages but will not give up either this goal or that goal as Israel intensifies its outreach with allies to help handle the growing regional threats today to meet with our counterpart and also to push for diplomatic efforts to end the fighting with Hamas and also perhaps more significantly Hezbollah in Lebanon I-25 News senior correspondent Owen Alderman has more the Hamas terror organization celebrate last week's UN General Assembly resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire no wonder they celebrate it it's exactly what they wish for let me send a clear message to the international community to the UN member states if a terror organization celebrates your decision it means yours may a wrong decision that's a charged message with the French Foreign Minister standing next to Eli Cohen of course the French government at a relatively early stage through President Emmanuel Macron himself having come out and called for that ceasefire that the Israeli government sees at this stage as so unwanted on another issue the two sides may well see eye to eye the issue of Israel's northern border a dramatic arrangement to move Hezbollah's military presence away from the border north of the Letani river here's what Foreign Minister Colonna had to say to a question from I-24 News I'll be in Beirut tomorrow and France just like its partners is calling on its Lebanese counterparts to do everything they can to avoid a flare-up in Lebanon that would make it the first victim and I'll be bringing that message to Beirut our partners there I believe feel similarly I would like to add that very clear messages have been sent to Hezbollah as well so that the security of Israel and of Lebanon I must add should not be threatened even more For the Israeli government this is a tricky visit on one hand the deep disagreements about the war in Gaza even with the full-throated expressions of support for the Israeli public from Foreign Minister Colonna the fact that the French government has come out as such an important European power calling for a ceasefire obviously brings in tension with the Israeli government on the other hand I think the understanding in Israel that the French government is certainly not a hostile actor and also has an important role to play in the diplomacy with Lebanon given France's ties with Lebanon and its special relationship with Lebanon and the expressed desire of the Israeli government through the statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday night and the statements here at these podiums from Foreign Minister Ali Cohen earlier on today that the Israeli government wants a diplomatic solution in Lebanon as a plan A and a military operation only as a plan B. Owen Alterman I-24 News at Ben-Gurion International Airport Back here in studio you wanted to make a point to meet about the hostile situation and then we'll move to Hezbollah Yes another thing that we have to understand in the issue of hostages in the public the Israeli public is it's about the value of Israeli to have the life of anyone that we can and bring them home ceasefire we can do we will not stop the war ceasefire we can do and the the army can do a ceasefire but the issue of value of getting back people back home it's it's very large issue in Israel and especially in the Jewish religion so I think it will be the next step for us so let's move to the north the threat from the north there seems to be this sense that as the major high intensity battles wind down in Gaza there's a preparation for a ramping up in Lebanon what is your sense again what is Nasrallah is playing with us is the play of the red line the red line meaning if we cross the red line maybe Israel will get into some kind of conflict more than we have and we can see Israel is bombing now it was an event more than 40 kilometers to the north it's northern El Nabatir and the side is not long from there and Hezbollah is waving against that missile that was hurting Kibbutz and Kibbutz is not on the border so we are pushing these lines against each other at some point doesn't that line break I think Israel is waiting for the coalition of the French and the American to save some time and to try to do something diplomatically to get Hezbollah back into south Lebanon but unfortunately Nasrallah have deep deep inside all his system near the border and he will not leave it until we will lead him to do it Israeli ministers the war cabinet ministers they have said publicly they have said we expected in January the tens of thousands of Israeli families who live in the Kibbutz team in the areas in the Gaza envelope we expect them to be able to return home because the coalition in the south will be stable enough that those who had to leave in the south can come back they are not saying anything about the north they are not giving any timetable what do you expect how much longer can these 100,000 families who have to evacuate stay like this we have refugees inside Israel we have to understand that it's more than 130,000 that's the issue in Israel because you cannot do it for a long time still we are talking about some stability that we'll have in the south but we know that we have to deal with Hezbollah someday and the time is clicking that's why I think the diplomatic and the political and the cabinet of war is not giving us the sign to get back to home because we will have the conflict in the north give me your analysis, your sense if there is a major conflict in the north with Hezbollah the Hezbollah of 2023 not the same Hezbollah from 2006 the IDF is not the same army either would this be an extremely intense extremely difficult deadly conflict but short a ground invasion lasting a few days a week or two or is this a scenario that expands regionally perhaps in something that lasts months even I think first regionally if you will watch it from the wide screen of us we know that Tehran is holding the cards with the Hezbollah and will not get the Hezbollah the permission to do anything without something that they will hear from Tehran but still if Israel will get into action Hezbollah will have to act against Israel and I think it will be a local one as we saw in the Hamas but still we're afraid that it will be regional because Hezbollah is not Hamas for Iran we have a lot of militia Shia militia of Iran spreading all over the Middle East it's something like more than 50 also the Houthis is Shia militia but the best militia of Iran Hezbollah is the biggest and the important militia of Iran so if it will be some kind of reaction in the north maybe it could be something gradual so maybe that's the argument against the war maybe Iran Hezbollah now is not the time to do it for Iran I think from the first place it wasn't the right time even we know that Hamas started this war without any permission and they are very angry about it and they have to pay some price for the Hamas but still they are not agree and they don't want to get into it but if they will push to get into it it will be something we can't expect and as you said it will be very intense in the north more than in what we saw in the south side Hezbollah with his forces like all the Raduan forces in the north is not Hamas is more prepared more equipped and deeply in the ground and it will be very very intense action still I think the IDF is preparing for it it's not a surprise anymore it's not like in the south and we will see more missiles to the center of Israel we will see action on the border we will see drones getting into Israel it will be very difficult but IDF is preparing for it and also the arm that we are getting now from the United States aid is preparing to this action exactly Thanks so much for your analysis here we are going out for a break more live reporting coming up we have reporters on the far northern border with Lebanon as the threats from Hezbollah intensified


Good morning, everybody. I'm Tommy O'Brien, coming to you live from TFNN headquarters in St. Petersburg, Florida, 10 a.m. Eastern time Tuesday morning, 30 minutes into the trading day and we get a mixed market. All the indices right around flat right now. S&Ps trading flat at 31.94. We get the Dow Jones up 17 points, trading at 28,252. NASDAQ negative by five, trading at 8809. Quite a close yesterday. Record territory. Markets flirting with records yet again today. Notes and bonds, a little bit of higher price and lower yield. The 10-year up five ticks at 128.18. The 30-year up nine ticks at 1.5704. We've got oil right now up 44 cents at $60.65 and gold basically flat at $14.80. Dollar index with a little strength up 152 ticks at 97.170 and the pound with some weakness of about 175 ticks, 131.58 and that pound. We'll start things off. Let's jump over to the indices. We'll start it off with the Dow, just off the highs we made right around the opening bell. We got up to a high in the Dow of 28,313. We're almost 50 points off that level trading 28,272 right now. NASDAQ 100, a little bit of a sell-off after the opening bell. As high as 86.25, we're flirting with right around 86.00 right now in the NASDAQ 100. S&Ps actually actually reached a high just before the opening bell of 3203, currently trading 3198, looking at the March futures contract. Crude oil trading higher $60.57, just a few pennies off the highs that we made within the last half hour. There's your gold contract pulling it back a bit. Gold February contract trading at 1480 was above 1484, right at around 6 a.m. and the Euro U.S. Dollar train at 1,1151. James, what else do you have happening fundamentally out there in the news? Housing starts rising more than expected with permits at a 12 and a half year high as the housing boom continues to march on and checking out Boeing shares this morning as they continue to slide as they confirm they will halt production of the 737 MAX while they continue to struggle to get that plane approved to be back in the air, Boeing down additional 1.1% today. And how about FedEx yesterday? Amazon coming out telling third-party sellers no more using FedEx, but FedEx getting almost a $2 bounce off the open from 161.50 now above 164. Stay tuned folks. Coming back at 10 o'clock with Tom live programming all day at TF9. We'll be right back.


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My name's Pierce. Oh, of course. I didn't notice you were a preacher. Do you know Carlton? Well, pretty well. I'm taking over for old Dr. McKillip of Grace Church. Oh, yeah, I've heard of him. He's been in bad health, so I'm taking his place. This boat is stubborn. I can't seem to get it. Here, here, let me try. No, no, no, I'll manage. If I can just... Give me the wrench. No, really, just hold the light. I said give me the wrench. All right, it's awfully good of you, but... What are you doing? I need your car, Dr. Pierce. You're going to be even later than you thought. No, please! Please, don't hit me! No! No! Help! Have you seen your license, buddy? My license? Oh, yes, I... I have it here. Here, here, here it is. Howard Pierce, not your patient. Oh, minister, I didn't notice. Yes, but what is it? Was I speeding?  There was a break at the state pen. Three men, they might come this way. Oh, I see. Oh, but I won't hold you any longer, Reverend. You're going far? Not to Carlton. 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And now Roma wines bring back to our Hollywood soundstage Joseph Cotton as Philip Gentry in Beyond Good and Evil. A play well calculated to keep you in suspense. So that was it. My arrival in your dull, pleasant town of Calta, remember? Officer Owens. And your very beautiful daughter escorted me into your study. Father, Mr. Owens brought Dr. Pierce. Dr. Pierce, come in, come in. You and Mr. Owen wait outside for a few minutes, Lucy. Yes, all right, Father. Sit over here, Dr. Pierce. I can't tell you how relieved I am to see you. I, uh, I'm relieved. Fine to be here, Dr. McCullough. Yes, well, I really couldn't bring myself to sleep tonight without first talking to you. You see, the situation's serious. Serious? My health, I'm a sick man. I've had one stroke, as you know. Oh, yes, yes, you wrote. Yes, well, I could have another one at any minute. The doctor says a worse one. And I feel it essential that the work of the parish is in firm hands. This parish needs a young man. Well, I hope to be of service. I've heard only good of you, Dr. Pierce.  And I looked. In the picture, you said, darker too. You're here. I'm afraid it wasn't a good likeness. I have the picture here somewhere on my desk. Oh, what did you want to talk to me about, Dr. McCullough? Oh, the work of the parish. Oh, yes, yes, yes, here's the photograph. It's, it's Dr. Pierce. Is there something wrong, Dr. McCullough? Not, uh, who are you? This isn't your picture. Who are you? I don't think that would interest you, Dr. McCullough. Something's happened to Dr. Pierce. What did you do to him? You're... What do you think I did, Dr. McCullough? Go on, guess, guess.  Speak up, speak! Oh, brother, don't tell me.  You can't speak, is that it? Well, I'll find out. I'll take that picture, Dr. McCullough. Now, if you don't... Dr. Pierce, we thought we heard... Yes, Miss Lucy, something's happened to your father. We were talking and all of us... Oh, hey, he's sick. I'll call the doctor, Miss Lucy. Yes, please, Mr. Owen. It's another stroke. He can't speak. He apparently can't move. Oh, Father. Father, what can we do? We'll have to wait for the doctor. Maybe even... I know the doctor said he could be paralyzed for months, years, but he mustn't die. I'm sure the Lord will spare him if we have faith. Yes. Look. Look, he can hear us. See his eyes. I see.  Dr. Pierce, a blessing you are going to stay. Well, I... Oh, but you must... Well, I wasn't sure, but since this has happened to your father, yes, I'll stay. I hope I prove worthy. Dear friends, you may wonder that I chose this subject for my first sermon to you, the agony of the thief. It is no wonder, for as I spoke to you of such a man, a thief beaten outcast and alone, I spoke at the same time of each of us from the mighty to the fallen of that substance, which we all share our human dignity as beings made in the image of God. Remember the agony of our Lord, who shared by two thieves, crucified beside him, that he might be numbered among the transgressors. And remember his words to one, verily I say unto thee, today shall thou be with me in paradise. We'll sing him for 26. Oh, God, our help in ages past. My first sermon, Dr. McKillip, and it was duck soup for me. You couldn't understand how such a thing could be done without faith. Well, you didn't know I'd been a lawyer. I've done a lot without faith, McKillip. It doesn't take such a holy man to care for your sheep. From the first day until now, I've been the ideal person. Even the day I got that call from young Hubbard. Yes, I played that part. Oh, I forget that this is all news. You didn't know about that, about the conversation I had with young Hubbard in the study of the church. Dr. Pierce? Yeah? I missed your first service, Sunday Doctor. I thought I'd pay you a call. Well, I'm glad you did. Sit down. Oh, thank you. My name's Hubbard. I work at the bank. First national. I'm Chief Teller. That's a very responsible job for a young man. Oh, I don't know. I suppose it is, but I don't have much more responsibility than the other Tellers, except at the end of the month. And it's a strain. The end of the month? Well, sure. Well, that's when I... Well, you know, I've never told anyone about this, so even with you... Oh, Mr. Hubbard is confidential. Oh, naturally not. It's so far as you're concerned, Dr. Pierce. You see, the 30th of the month, we move all our deposits to the Federal Reserve Bank. $50,000 or more. Well, you can see how I wouldn't want some people to know that. You mean you would take the deposits alone? Oh, no, that'd be even worse than it is. There's an armored truck comes to take the money, comes by around 9.30 at night, but I'm alone in the bank until it gets there. Well, sometimes when I'm sitting there at my desk, I think how easy it would be.  You see what I mean? Faith, McKellop. God never sendeth mouth, but he sendeth meat. Out of all this community's 35,000 souls, Hubbard chose me to share that secret. I set a letter that night to Mack, care of Tony's in Chicago. As you can see, Mack, the setup is simple and foolproof. If you do as I say, leave Tony's now, hide out until till the 28th of June, then head this way. Case the job first, because you must be at the bank not later than 9 p.m. on the 30th. Yours, Gentry. That meant two months to wait, two months until the death of young Hubbard, two months until I had $50,000 in a clear getaway, two months until tonight, two pleasant months to play a saintly part, warmed by adulation, warmed by love, because even you could see what was happening to your daughter, your very beautiful daughter, Lucy. Dr. Pierce, do you ever think of anything besides your work? I don't know, Lucy, what sort of things? Well, do you ever think of yourself, of a full life for yourself? Of course, that's why I work. My work gives me a full life. You don't know what I mean. Yes, I think I do. You see, I have to tell you, even if you don't want to hear... Lucy, my dear... I have to tell you that I love you, Howard. I know I can't expect that to mean much to you. It means a great deal. Not enough. Lucy, dear, you told me once that you were engaged to someone. Yes, I'm supposed to be. Tom's all right, but he's little and unimportant and afraid. He's afraid to dare anything, to do anything. He's meek. The meek shall inherit the earth. You don't believe that, Howard Pierce. Even if you are a person, you don't believe it. Or do I believe Lucy? I don't know exactly. When I first saw you, I knew that you were like me. You have boldness and strength. You have an inward feeling about life. I let it ride. It wasn't any harm in that, doctor, so far as I could see. Lucy was a great help, blinded by what she called love. And what did I feel? Love? Doctor, a man who has mastered the use of words as I have no longer knows what they mean, but only what they do. With Lucy, so long as the word love served me, I used it. After a while, it became a source of danger. That was last week, Wednesday, when I came in the evening to read to you. Howard. Howard, the most wonderful news, guess. How can I guess? Don't you know the most wonderful thing that could ever happen to us? What's that, Lucy? I've never breathed a word to father about us because you asked me not to. Not until he can talk to us and give his blessing. No, Lucy, you didn't. No, no, not yet. But the doctor was here today, and he told me father will speak again soon, any day now. No, no. He doesn't know why. He hasn't already. Isn't that wonderful? Oh, yes. Yes, it is. Howard, what's the matter? Nothing's the matter. But there is. I can see that you... No, no. Sit down, Lucy. All right, Howard. I was going to tell you before, my dear, well, I can't marry you, not ever. You can't... Please, you mustn't ask me why. It doesn't matter why, do you understand? It's because you don't love me. If you have to believe that, all right, only you must go on and live your life as though you never met me. As though I never met you. You know what that means? Whatever it means. It means I'll marry Tom. It means I'll have a little, quiet, secure life. The best life for you, Lucy. Tom in place of you. Well, maybe you're right. I won't ever have great happiness with him, but after this, I'll never have a greater unhappiness. You must indeed better, Lucy. If you hadn't known me, you would have married your Tom, and you would have loved him. All right. All right, I will marry him. I'll marry him this week in church, and you'll perform the service, Howard. You'll be the one to make me, Mrs. Tom Hubbard. Who did you say? Tom Hubbard. I'll be a banker's wife. I never knew his name before. Well, no matter what you think, Lucy, I'm sure you'll be happy.  When I heard that you might speak now and in any time, I can still smother you with a pillow and no one would know. I suppose killing always was distasteful to me. A job for cruder minds. It isn't because of any moral scruples, believe me. And don't you believe, doctor, that ethics had any part in what I did about Lucy, either, not for one minute. It was just that I wanted my hands free for this last week.  If it happens that my neat habits turn in a good deed now, and then that doesn't make me a boy scout. After all, if I were a higher being like you, I might be upset by thinking of such things as killing Lucy's husband tonight, Tom Hubbard, as he sits at his desk at the bank. Here it is the 30th, and I've got a very important date in half an hour. Well, doctor, did that interest you?  I doubt it.  It doesn't matter. I don't need your understanding. Good night, doctor, and sleep well. Dr. Pierce, will you drop in tomorrow? Tomorrow? Well, we'll see about tomorrow. We'll see. It's Dr. Pierce, Tom. Let me in. Oh, doctor, a good minute. I wanted to make sure he... See, this is the night when the truck spoke to him. Yes, I remembered. That's how I knew where to find you, Tom. Do you want something? Lucy is feeling sick. I came to send you home. Lucy? But I can't. I have to stay. I can stay for you. Gee, I don't know. I'm supposed to stay. Lucy is calling for you, Tom. She's really sick? Well, all right. I guess with you here, it'll be all right. Just tell me what to do. Well, that's the money already in those sacks. Yes. And I sit here? Yes, right at this desk. Gee, I don't know what the directors will think. Run along. Now, Tom, they'll never know why. Even if someone walks by from the outside, they'll never know if it's you or me sitting here. That got him right through the head. You ought to have that money already, right near him. Mac. Huh? Who's there? It's Gentry, Mac. What? Something's screwy here. You said in your letter... I know. I didn't have a chance to tell you. The plans were changed, Mac. Gentry. Honest, Gentry. I didn't mean to... I know. I know. You'd better go. I'm dying, Mac.  What do you think I am? Yes, yes, you are. They won't get me, Mac. I'm... I'm dying. You go on now. Only you won't be able to take the money. What? The plan is all changed. Okay. That don't matter. The don't... Remember... Remember me... when thou comesed into thy kingdom. What? What are you talking about? That's from the Bible, Mac. You wouldn't know it, I guess. It's from the Bible. It was said by a thief. This, dear friends, was the man Philip Gentry or Dr. Pierce or whatever other name he may choose in eternity. The man whom we bury today. That night when he stood above my bed, pouring defiance and bitterness into my ears, thinking that I was paralyzed, I could both speak and write. My paralysis had been gone for many days, but I did not speak because I knew what Philip Gentry would do, what he had to do. 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Scruff 3 points obviously. We won our best performance but at the end of the day we got the 3 points so we take the 3 points and move on really. It's a great feeling like a local derby. Me personally getting an assist for the winner. That's what it is and I feel like we didn't play our best performance as a team technically but I feel like it showed a lot of good characters and what we do have in the team. So it's a different way of winning that we showed today which I do feel like it adds on to everything that we've got going on in the camp. Absolutely over the moon you know. It's been a week of mixed emotions obviously. I'm qualifying for the Euros and missing my penalty but yeah I was just ready today to put all that behind me and just push on really. And you know maybe we could say we were a bit frustrated at times. We looked like we struggled maybe getting into that half particularly in the first half. What do you think we can take from today? Just look back at it and see how we can impose our game more. We played into their hands a lot. It was loose with the ball a lot but we found a way to dig in and get the 3 points so in the day it's a good day. And you mentioned obviously playing away with the under 21 island team earlier this week. How was that experience for you? It's a great experience you know. You always want to be playing in those type of games to get the exposure that you need as a player. Yeah I was just unfortunate that we'd go and finish off the campaign the way we wanted to. And obviously you mentioned to me the other day you know big crowds especially in the second leg. Obviously away from home today but when we're back at Bally Parade we'll be staying close to those numbers. What's it like playing in those atmospheres and getting used to playing in front of the big crowds? Absolutely. It's a hostile atmosphere really but I was loving it to be honest you know. It's something that for me anyway I love when the crowds are trying to get onto me and stuff. It just motivates me to try and shush them but yeah I just love it really. And obviously it's the second time in just a couple of weeks that you've come off the bench and been involved in a late goal. Are you embracing this sort of playmaker role that you seem to be playing at the moment? Yeah I feel like I'm born a playmaker do you know what I'm saying? I'm not screwing up with trying to set up goals and it's just an area of the pitch where I'd like to get on the ball. And obviously I just feel comfortable in positions like for example you've seen today and obviously last week as well I kind of picked up in the same sort of areas. It's just all about creating things and like just do I mean bring something different to the game sometimes and just seeing what you can do to track it to win and obviously today it obviously worked out well for me. Looking ahead two games in the next week how are you feeling ahead of those? Looking forward to it man obviously my first game back before I'm being injured so it's good to get a nine-year in. Like I said I'm going to keep saying the three points is always good so it will be better at the end of the day. Yeah I'm feeling good you know obviously two goals in my last two games in the league so just full of confidence really and yeah we'll just see how it goes. It's the same thing just going to every game. Not worried about all we're worried about is the next one that we're not worried about the one after that just take game by game. You know what I mean going with the same mentality. You know what I mean just get the win get the three points and just keep building. Castle what's about it like every game you go into you just got to bring out positives and just keep using them to just keep building and building. And any plans for a stream when you get home this evening? Celebrate. We'll see man we'll see see how good my Saturday goals man. Been playing the new FIFA at all? Oh of course.  What's the team like at the minute have you got up top? I'm not saying a word tune in tune in and you'll see. That's what I'm saying.


The Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians was awarded a $750,000 grant for its affordable housing project in Minneapolis yesterday. Congressman Keith Ellison along with Bridgewater Bank and its partner bank, Federal Home Loan Bank, Des Moines, presented the check to Chairman Darrell Seeky Sr. and Economic Development and Planning Director Sam Strong. The project that the Red Lake Band is developing will be a 109-unit mixed development in South Minneapolis. It will offer one, two and three bedroom apartments along with various other health service offices on the first floor like the Red Lake Embassy Office and a wellness clinic. It will be the first large-scale and meaningful project the Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians has ever done to support the off-reservation members. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.


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Hey what's up you guys, welcome back to my channel if you're new here. Hi, hello, I'm Lydia and if you are new here make sure you hit the subscribe button during the growing family to notification down on why you're down and give me a big thumbs up so it really doesn't help me out. Today we're going over some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. To introduce a name, hi, I'm Lydia and diagnosed with multiple mental health conditions. I have PTSD as one way to diagnose it. So the main five symptoms of PTSD are reliving the experience through flashbacks, intrusive memory, and nightmares. Overwhelming emotions with flashbacks, memories, or nightmares. Not being able to feel emotions or feeling numb. Dissociation. That can include disconnecting from yourself and from other people. Avoidance. This could mean you try to distract yourself from thinking about the trauma or avoid people in situations that it reminds you of the trauma. Other symptoms of PTSD are negative mood and thinking. Difficulty controlling your emotions. Feeling anger, irritability, panic, and constant anxiety. Finding it hard to feel pleasure. Heavy sense of guilt or shame. Negative self-perception such as feeling diminished, worthless, or defeated. Problems relating to others. Problems in relationships and feeling detached from people. Problems with sleeping and concentrating because of the state of hyperarousal. Being easily scared or startled. Self-destructive behaviors such as fast-driving or drinking too much alcohol. Constant feeling of permanent threat. This is called hypervigilance. It's the feeling of being constantly alert or being overly sensitive to things such as smell or noise. Those are some of the symptoms of PTSD. Thank you for watching and if you're new, subscribe, like I said at the beginning. Thanks for watching and I'll see you in the next video. Peace.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jasby's casebreaks.com, coming at you with our last filler for Pick Your Teams. The only filler that we do would be the last filler, but anyway, it's the last filler. 2021 Panini Chronicles Football, we're gonna do that hanger pack break first, Ram Team 25 with 11 select, not spots, but teams being given away right here. We'll do that at the end. So at the end of the break, we'll take all the 32 names, re-randomize them, top 11 will win teams in Pick Your Team 11 in the following order. And Pick Your Team 11's coming up in the next video. Big thanks to this group for making it happen. And let's roll it and randomize it six and a five, five and a six, 11 times for names and teams, different dice roll for the team giveaway part. 11, we've got boarded, boarded. And a different dice roll for the giveaway part, as always. So by 11 times for the teams, one. All right, there's the first half of the list right here. And the second half of the list right over there. No trade windows in these filler breaks, as many of you know by now. So let's just print and rip. There's the hanger pack from 2021, all right. Let's see if we have any surprises in here. Got a Justin Fields rookie card. Vontae Williams, Pet, Stevenson, Buccaneers Brady right here.  There we go. All right, now let's gather everybody's names for the second and final dice roll. Everyone from one through 32, new dice, new list. And it will be the top 11 getting teams in the next select pick your team break. Top 11 after nine, four and a five. Nine times. Good luck, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, and ninth in final time. Now from 12 on down, Chris very close, but not this time, 12 through 32. Thank you very much for giving it a go. But only the top 11 can get in. And that's gonna be Douglas, Joseph, Michael, Chris. Now you got it, Chris, Steve, Sean, Nathan, Matthew, Mark, Sean, and Douglas. Congrats to the top 11. Here are the teams that you're gonna get in the next select break. Douglas, you're gonna get the commanders. Sean with the Panthers, Mark with the Titans, Matthew with the Chiefs, Nathan with the Lions, Sean with the Saints, Steve with the Dolphins, Chris with the Giants, Michael with the Cardinals, Joseph with the Broncos, and Douglas with the Rams. We'll put, we'll put chronic, whatever number this is, chronic 25 next to your name so you know you won that in this filler. I'm Joe for JasperCaseRace.com. I'll see you in the next video for the break.