Hey guys, it's Nate A.K., the Foot Account, and welcome back to the channel. Guys, what is EA cooking with this Team 3 and basically what was just released yesterday with Winter Wild Cards content, with the icons, the SBCs, the objectives, the evolution that we had, what in the world is EA doing, and the craziness looks like it's going to continue today. Once I can log in the game, thank you, with the SBC player that we're getting. Yeah, you might know it's Allison, but he actually might not be a goalkeeper as it was leaked a long time ago, which would also fit in with the craziness that EA is doing right now. So we're going to take a look at that in today's video and cover all of yesterday's content as was. Look at the market and why. I've spent two-thirds of my coins heading into Saturday today. If you're excited for it, drop a thumbs up and subscribe. If you're new, we're going to go to objectives to start this one off. Just as we talked about in yesterday's video, we did have the Yeri Mina objective and it is the exact same card that was leaked. So shout out to the leaks being spot on with this one. Six foot five and a five star weak foot. If you have a Syria squad, this one might be something to do and also for a potential EVO in the future. Like imagine a five star weak foot, Yeri Mina, if you can boost up his passing and dribbling a little bit, along with the defense and physical with Jockey Plus, like maybe way down the line, but that's a pretty easy objective to get done and a pretty nice card. And also we have the winter daily play completionist once again for some XP, a few packs, basically the same objective as last week. We also have the Nike Mad Ready Precision mindset, the kit. If you bought that before, you can now do number one and number two. The second one finally unlocked and that was the objective content yesterday on this game. Now let's go to SBCs. This is where it starts to get crazy. First of all, our player, SBC Ian Wright, and they definitely did the business in terms of an upgrade on this card. He said in yesterday's video that we wanted it to be something different, something crazy, right? They did something different and crazy. They gave him the quick step plus rapid technical chip shot and power shot play styles. He has got pace. They lowered his shooting. They upped his dribbling. 99 heading accuracy is a crazy random stat when all this other attacking stats are just decent like for shooting wise, right? 88 stamina, 69 jumping. He can play on the right and left side. Five star skills definitely is going to make this card be pretty cool, but the price is the problem and nine squads and a total of 620,000 coins to get this Ian Wright card done. Yeah, it's just expensive. Big upgrade, big price, I guess you would say, but I don't even know if I'd be that excited about the upgrade. It's just a very different version of Ian Wright. And again, as you may know with the team of cards that came out in packs, it kind of goes along with the vibe, right? It was just, it's just crazy. So I just don't like where the player SBCs have been going. I think yesterday was a day where a lot of people started to get upset with this promo because of the SBCs that were released, the price they released at and the cards that were put out in packs as well. We're going to talk about that a little bit more in today's video, but that Ian Wright was definitely something crazy yesterday. That's for sure. We had the 83 plus team of the week player pick that was re-released and also I've been forgetting about this personally, but I hope you have not been the daily tradable winter challenge for a daily tradable mega pack SBC. I know these promo cards are difficult to pack. That's not going to change, but if you get a tradable pack, let's say you hit a walk out. I mean, it could be some easy coins each week, you know, once or twice if you hit something decent, especially with the best stuff still impacts team two and team three of winter wild cards all impacts right now. Let's go to evolutions and talk about that because we were excited for evils, right? And we had that leak that said we were getting not one, but two evolutions yesterday, but that didn't happen. We only had one evolution and people aren't that happy with it. It's called high visibility. Help your center mid be more efficient in attack by boosting their vision and also getting pinged pass, which is very good and long ball pass play style. So this is a really easy evil to do guys. I know that people are a little bit disappointed with it. And I think they're disappointed because it just doesn't hit like an insane evolution. Maybe some of the last evils that we had, they were insane, right?  But then you get to this one for high visibility and it's 13% upvoted. In my opinion, guys, this actually is after looking at it a bit more. This is a solid evo. It's just solid. It's not doesn't have the wow factor, right? It's a smaller upgrade guys. In my opinion, this is an evo that unless it fits into an evolution you're already doing for like a chain, this is one that I would probably hold off on. You got 20 days, there's a lot of time for more evolutions to come out. If you're evoing a player, this could be really, really good for a evo that's going to have multiple parts to it. Like the one that I just did with Burgoni, I showed you guys in yesterday's video, like that is a chain evo as you would call it, right? This one could be really, really good to fit into that as well. Because yeah, there are some decent cards that fit into it straight away from being a gold item like Declan Rice and Lamer, probably some of the better ones. But I think this is one that if you're evoing somebody from a lower level to a higher level, those play styles could be very, very useful. Also, the plus four curve, plus four long passing, plus seven vision could be very useful on a silver card, maybe that you're evolving from a lower tier to a higher tier. So even though this Robert Tone card doesn't even look that bad, you know, you get plus three physical, no defensive upgrades, but plus three dribbling, and then plus five passing. That's the big upgrade. You also get plus two pace and plus three shooting. So for an attacking midfielder or a center mid, this could be a pretty solid evolution, especially if you put it as a part of a chain. So I'm going to hold off on that one. You got a lot of time to get it done, and it is free, and it requires only like three games. So I like that part of it. But that's an evo probably you want to save. Now I want to show you team three, and I will show you right here where they show all the other teams, right? They show a winter wildcards team to team of the week, and the winter best of, but EA, I think, had to take the graphics down. There's no loading screen. They deleted their tweets and their Instagram posts yesterday, all because I think of this. Yesterday, when they dropped John Joe Shelby, his winter wildcards player item, they released it as a Premier League card with a Turkish League, the club that he actually plays for, the Turkish club that he actually plays for, was on the card, but it also said Premier League right here, and he actually got Premier League links. This card was like 50,000 coins because he was a 99 paced Premier League left-back. Pretty crazy, right? But EA quickly said that that was a mistake, and those who obtained the winter wildcards John Joe Shelby player item on the transfer market before the league update will be sent back there on ultimate team coins and contacted in-game in the coming days. So for like this guy right here, Rage Effect on Twitter, he bought a bunch of Shelby's that he was trading with, right? In that first couple of minutes after content. So he's probably going to get his coins back for all the coins that he spent on those cards. He's going to get that in return on top of the cards he was able to sell too, right? So that's kind of a crazy situation. That's actually going to probably inject some coins to the market. Not a ton, but it will a little bit when that actually gets paid out. But I think for that reason, since EA had him as a Premier League player on their graphics, they had to take down all their graphics on social media and inside of the game. So if you're looking for a loading screen, it's probably why it's not there as of right now. But this team in general, guys, was a big surprise. Like what a wild change from Winter Wild Cards team one, which yeah, we had a couple of position changes inside of it. Like, you know, the VVD second position was a striker or you had the Llorente at left wing. There was some decent or like minor, right? More of the minor position changes, except for the icons. This whole entire team is almost position changes. It feels a lot like shapeshifters and not as much like Winter Wild Cards. Okay. Yes, we do have a striker Salah, which is this this card to me makes no sense. Why does he still have a three star weak foot? He should have a four star weak foot, especially given the striker position change. It's a simple plus two shooting. They didn't upgrade the pace over his inform. His passing is better on the inform. And they gave him a plus six physical boost. Like it's a decent upgrade over the player of the month, I guess. But if you did the player of the month, nah, this is not worth buying for 1.9 mil. Just keep your player of the month. So that card's confusing to me. Raul got a nice upgrade, right? He actually looks almost the same as his other card does, just a simple like plus two over his card, Garenja, same thing. And then it gets weird, especially with the icons, right? Alan Shearer center attacking mid with long ball pass. But here's the thing with all these cards that doesn't make sense to me. If you're going to make Alan Shearer a cam and give him a long ball pass, right? Why does he have only 71 long passing? That doesn't make sense. Long ball pass playstyle, but 71 long passing. I'm really interested to see how that kind of works out in game if he has a really low actual stat in game. But then he has the playstyle plus. Let's look at Loudrip too. A lot of people like this Loudrip card. And I think it's kind of cool, right back Loudrip for the fact that it's a pretty meta looking right back with the whipped pass plus, which we all know is very meta. He's four star, four star. But then you look at the card, you see 51 aggression. I mean 79 defensive awareness is a little bit low. There's another card in here that's got really low defensive awareness. Is it is it closer? It might be closer. Let me take a look at his in game stats 65 defensive awareness with 99 heading 99 interceptions 95 slide tackle 96 standing tackle so he can tackle intercept and do all that real well. But he just he's not aware of where the ball is like this looks like a great car. But when you dive into the stats, you see some things like that and 67 aggression that just don't make sense. It's like EA when they did these position changes, they juiced up some of these cards to make them look crazy with the position changes. But they also didn't want to fully make them super OP. So they didn't upgrade a few stats in a couple areas. Center back. Yes, Shin is one of the craziest cards I've ever seen just because it's mind boggling, right? He has the hat in game. Yes, he's two million coins. He's very expensive. He's got the block playstyle plus 62 dribbling but 99 reactions 98 composure like what that that's crazy. Like some of these stats again, I'm telling you guys and then as we get into the main team of the promo cards, Cortois is one of the most hyped cards in this team. He's up like 20,000 coins right now. By the way, guys, these were really good to flip yesterday. I bought one of these Cortois yesterday at I don't remember what I paid. I think I bought Cortois for like 310 or no 318 and sold them for like 350. He had a pretty solid bounce. He's bouncing once more now. He's 304 up to 327. I would sell this card before we get too far into the day today. Yes, these cards have the crazy cool factor because it's a striker Cortois. I don't think the price is going to hold up that long as the Winter Wildcards last week dropped a lot on Saturday as well. But take a look at this Cortois, right? Aerial plus with 90 shooting and 91 physicality. But you look inside the stats here. Yes, his shot power 99, penalty is 99, dribbling 99 agility, 99 balance, 99 reactions, 99 composure, 81 on the actual dribbling stat, which is going to hurt his dribbling in game a lot. But remember this guy has what? Aerial playstyle and he's six foot six. So you're like, okay, I'm going to be crossing the ball of the Cortois. Aerial playstyle plus and power header and acrobatic playstyle as well. But then you look 49 heading accuracy, 49 heading accuracy on a card that you are definitely going to be using for headers as a striker being six foot six with the aerial plus.  Or is he so tall with the aerial plus that he can still just get up and the aim like still works because he has a playstyle. Again, that's the confusing thing with these cards. It's like they have the playstyle the position changes and all those boosts. But then you look at the card and it's like, wait a second, some of these stats just don't add up. I tried Casimir yesterday. He was actually pretty decent. I mean, his shot his shooting with nine line shot power was pretty crazy. His dribbling didn't even feel that bad with nine line composure reaction 95 ball control. It was kind of a weird feeling card, definitely a bit of a truck, but for 190,000 coins, a fun one to try. And then the rest of this team, the rest of this team is just it's all over the placement with the position changes. Some of the cards look good. Like Ronaldo Sanchez looks decent. He's very overpriced. He's definitely going to drop Lampty. I would not buy this card right now, guys. He has minimum price. This is a insane budget right back. Yes, I know he lacks in the physicality, but he's five star weak, but he can play on the left and the right. He's got long throw plus, which that's cool, right? But tiki taka block, slide tackle, rapid, quick step. Lampty's card earned in the game was cracked. This card is going to be really good as well. 99 aggression on the card. This is going to be one that when he gets a price range update and goes down to like 20K, if he goes that low, he's going to end up being a really good investment. I think, I mean, I don't feel like 27K is super, super low for him. Like, I just think that he needs a price range update. If he's 27,000 coins, minimum price day one, he needs to be lowered in price. Raspidory is a solid card for 12,000 coins. Claude Maurice needs a price range decrease as well. Cundes card doesn't make sense is a CDM. It's way different and almost just not good compared to the Trailblazer. It's less than the Trailblazer in terms of coins. This Alvaro goalkeeper card is discard, but he's six foot eight and he's got three play styles. He's going to be fun to try out in game. He'll probably pack in this week because he's discard. Adiyemi got a pretty, I don't know, Adiyemi actually has a normal card and he's got strike or position change as well plus six shooting passing dribbling. Again, this team is all over the placement, but I think that's a long time to talk about the team. Just to say, I think people are just like, I don't know, yesterday felt like just a very midday and the team itself, while there are some really good cards, it's just confusing. It's like, why do this promo just take a turn from being a solid promo with good evolutions and cards that are impacts that make sense to it now with being, okay, this is just a crazy card promo.  Is this EA testing to see how this is going to go over or is it just EA knowing that this stuff goes over really well? Think about it guys, position changes like shapeshifters has happened the last couple years in this game. If EA is continuing to do this stuff, then they know that it works and they know that people like it. And even for some of us who are not big fans of it, it's kind of just one of those where it's like, all right, we're going to have to look at this and say, okay, these are very interesting cards. Yes, they're a bit weird and some of the stats don't make sense. But if EA is doing this, then there must be something to it. And you know, we're just going to kind of have to like, I guess live with it and find some enjoyment and just the craziness of this, but it definitely does take away a little bit. I hear some of you guys in a Twitch comments yesterday, some of the YouTube comments as well saying that this feels like fake. They weren't ready for this. It's too early. I hear you 100% hear you. But that's why I've went out and bought other cards on the market because for people that are upset and just don't like how these cards look, a lot of the other cards in the market are what they're going to turn to, right? Especially that lower tier that we've been talking about, I picked up some cards. We'll talk about the market here a little bit. But the last thing to mention with this team is I would stay away from buying them at least into today, there might be some fluctuations, but you've already seen them go up like Courtois from 304 to 323. I don't think these cards are going to do too well today in terms of prices, maybe a couple of fluctuations because they are pretty rare. I bet that a lot of these are going to fall off in value as we head into the content drop today. So yes, it is some fun cards to try, but let me know in the comments which card for you looks at least interesting. I like the fun aspect, but also I hear you where it's like, nah man, this is just crazy. It's not realistic and I feel you. But it might even get a little bit more unrealistic today. And that's what I want to talk about with this video is what in the world is EA cooking? This seems to be the trend, all right? For Winter Wild Cards team three, at least right now, because we know the SPC is coming today, right? This is one that's been looked forward to for a hot minute. It is Allison Becker coming today, Saturday, December 30th as our Winter Wild Cards SPC. But here's the thing, everybody would get really excited if he was actually a goalkeeper, right? If we had a goalkeeper SPC, which we haven't had for a while, he could be a really good card. Imagine like a 91 rated Allison with upgraded stats, that'd be a card a lot of people with Premier League teams, Liverpool links, Brazilian links would like to put in their team. But remember, at the very beginning of Winter Wild Cards, when we heard that some of these position changes were going to be taking place, there was a leak from foot sheriff that said that some Winter Wild Cards players will get a new position. It was leaked way back then that Vanessa Roy was going to be a goalkeeper. That is what he came as. It was also leaked that Yashin was going to be in the midfield. He actually came as a center back. But it was leaked also that Allison was going to come in the midfield as well. So what is this card going to look like today? Well, based off of how all the cards looked yesterday, there's a really high chance that they might be taking another goalkeeper and moving him out of goal, either into the midfield, into maybe a center back, we got a goalkeeper that moved a center back, we got a goalkeeper that moved a striker. So maybe they are going to move him into the midfield today, maybe a center attacking mid Allison, maybe a center mid Allison, who knows. But that's a big SVC. Again, the links, the Brazilian links, the Premier League links, there's going to be a lot of hype around that today. So if they're going to change it up and make him a midfielder, then they got to do something saucy with it, I think, and they got to make it fun and usable. And they also got to make it like, I mean, not too meta, but they got to boost it and make him cool. Again, he's got goalkeeper play styles. And, you know, I wonder if does the Ashin, this is something that I just wonder, right with the Ashin and with like the Courtois, what happens if you put this Courtois in goal, if this Courtois goes in net, does he actually save things like he doesn't have any goalkeeper play styles, but is he actually good? Like remember last year, you could take Kyle Walker goalkeeper card from shapeshifters and put him at right back and he actually played halfway decent because that's what he's like used to playing. So I'm kind of at least curious about that for Allison today. But yeah, this SBC for me today is going to be one that I'm super curious about, because I just want to see what EA do with it. I wouldn't mind if they kept him as goalkeeper, because I would think about doing that SBC for sure, as a lot of Prem cards are in my team. But if he's going to be a center mid, then it's going to draw some comparisons to like Vanja Malinkovic Savage.  But he's got a three star weak foot, and he is mostly lengthy. So we'll just see what EA has to do with this Allison SBC today. I'm very curious. If the SBC is good, you could definitely see maybe some Prem center backs move a little bit in value. You can see some of those Brazilian links move up as well. But it's got to be a really, really good SBC that people want to use. It's well received, right? So that's the big SBC today that we really just don't know about. But if I had to guess, I think he could be a midfielder based off of how they did things yesterday. And also with evolutions. Hey, guys, evolutions are frustrating me a little bit right now, just because of the leaks, right? We keep getting leak, and then leak, and then leak, and then oh, this one's going to be today. This one's going to be today. We still have three leaked evos right now. We didn't get to yesterday. This guy for police said that we were going to get two of them yesterday, which is kind of crazy to think about anyway, because we've only ever had I think one evolution the same day, I don't think they've dropped two, except for two of the same one, if that makes sense. And that's what he kind of went back and said, he said they will release one evo per day. So until January 1, we should have one of these evos every single day, which is kind of how it went last week on the beginning of the Winter Wildcars promo for week one, right? We had an evo Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. And maybe that's how it's going to drop this time as well. So yesterday, of course, we had the new evo for high visibility. These are the three evos that are still leaked right now, the same ones we've been talking about, a centerback evo, a striker evo, and a new one that is crossing crusader evolution. And the reason why this is a little bit annoying too, is if you're trying to prepare for one of these evolutions, which obviously I don't do a lot of, I don't recommend doing a lot of, but take a look at Jude Bellingham yesterday. He was all the way up at 16,000 coins, because people thought we were getting the center mid evo, right? He went all the way down to 7.8k.  Selling in the hype is definitely what you need to do here. Openda was another one for the striker evolution, who fits that a lot of people were excited about getting into an evo. I think it was the informal penda and maybe even the gold one as well. The gold ones looked at 3,000 coins. Went down to 1,400. Now he's back up to 2,500. It's the same thing, man. You can trade with these fluctuations because the cards just go up and down and up and down for all these evos and the leaks. It's crazy. We have another one. We have another one, guys. If you looked at the popular page on footprint, you may have noticed that Diabi. Yes, Diabi. Well, he's not there anymore, but that's because Diabi just flew up in price about an hour ago. All of a sudden, he goes to the top of Footben. He's 5,000 coins. After yesterday, he was what? 2,000 coins? Yes, just a regular, regular 84 almost. 2,900, all the way up to 5.3k. I'm guessing that he is a card that somehow fits into the crossing prusator evolution. That is, I think the one that's going to give whipped pass plus. I'm not entirely sure. It's hard to keep these straight, but there must be some evo that Diabi fits into because he is up like crazy on the market.  Only the last couple of evolutions that we have had have been kind of rare situations where these guys do go extinct like Kyle Walker and like Cancelo Inform and Alba Inform because also guys, I want to talk about this for a second too. I don't think that the evolutions and this is one of the reasons why I think we were a bit disappointed with yesterday's evo is because yeah, it's an okay evo, but it doesn't meet the quality of these other evos that have been released. And I don't think that all of the evolutions that get dropped in the next couple of days are going to be of that same quality. Honestly, those evolutions that we had were insane. And I don't think they're all going to be that good this week. Maybe one of them will actually cause some crashing on the market. Remember last week all the evos made prices get destroyed? Like we were looking at left backs one day, they got destroyed. Then it was like strikers in midfielders getting absolutely dusted because of the new evos as well. Like guys, I don't think that it's going to be every single evo that drops in the next couple of days. I don't think it's going to crash prices like it did last week every day. So I think that that means good things for the market. And that's why I went out and started to pick up some cards because if prices have started to move, I think they can continue to move in a lot of different areas. And yes, the evos could crash the market, but I think we'll worry about that when the evos drop, which is that content today. Now for some quick flips and for some market talk, let's look at some prices that happened yesterday. A lot of the winter wild cards from team one that went out of packs, they did start to go up rafina's for an okay, these cards have been rising since Thursday, right? Milita was up Grimaldos rising, some of the icons are rising as well. Enzo and Balde starting to rise as well 75k for Balde. He was just almost 80k. Even the discard ones like Cherokee is up 1000 coins from being discard. Enzo Fernandez is up too. If you look at his graph, like this is a card that is just doing good. He was 76k yesterday and now he's 90,000 coins just continuing to go up because these cards, people want to try the newest things in this game, the newest cards and they're out of packs now and these cards just kind of keep going up and that's how it worked for a lot of the rest of the market yesterday too. A lot of the team, the group stages are up. Sock is 700k, Bellingham is up, Griezmann is up, to a higher price than normal. I did flip some of these cards, these cards are really good to trade with. Wow, layout 679 that's up. Klaus yesterday was one of my main trades. I picked up Klaus at 214,000 coins. He ended up going all the way to like 260. I was able to get one out there. It was a bit of a rarity spike, you could say, but this card is one that goes from like 215 to 240 multiple times per day. So I'm going to keep an eye on this card because obviously he's very rare. He's 218 right now. If I get one or two undercuts from that, I'm happy with it. But with everybody being a little disappointed with this promo, like we said, look at the other out of packs cards. It is an amazing time to be flipping cards on the market in this game. Yesterday, Reese James went from 380, right now he's 420, so a 40k fluctuation there. It's about 20k per card if you time it right. Timber was one that fluctuated a lot from the Dynasty's team. The Radio Active cards, even the ones that were in packs, were moving like Valverde. Kovicia looking a bit low right now. On his card, Soba Sly is up, almost 10,000 coins, and Chenco is rising back to 100k. The UA for Heroes are still amazing to trade with guys. These are still so so so good. The trade with Bomb Pastor has so much hype. This is a card that is up that I could just see continuing to rise. Like what was her price yesterday between she was 166 at content, then went back to 176, and now she's approaching 180. Like the meta cards that people want to use in their teams, they're just going to keep rising guys. I really think so unless there's something crazy that comes out to drop them or a crazy SPC to make them dip a little bit. Right now, stuff is just looking like the meta cards that people want to buy and put in teams are just going to keep going up. Now if they're up like crazy, crazy amounts, then maybe you'd be a bit careful with that. But like Joe Gomez back down 98,000 coins, right? You know, Ledley King is one that keeps popping in my mind. A low budget center back from the Premier League is 60k. That's actually a good price. I would buy that because he was 66k multiple times yesterday. 69k before content, 66k after. If I can pick up at Ledley King once again at 60,000 coins, I'm in. That's the sort of stuff that I'd be doing on this market right now is the lower budget. Again, I know we keep saying that 60k of the shadow signed me up. That's hopefully 67k later today, right? That's the type of stuff that I'm doing, the rare cards, the stuff that you look at the footpeg graphs and it's doing this. That's the stuff you want to be involved in. And I would also stress this, get on the bids, man, get on the bids for a lot of these cards and also for fodder. Let's talk about fodder really quickly to end this thing off because fodder was all over the place yesterday. Informs went down a little bit. I think they maybe went up just a slight bit after content. But as expected, the 84x10s dropped for the gold fodder, that is. And fodder was really, really good to get on bids. Now it's back up a little bit because 87s were like 10,500 coins. Well, I think yesterday was a really good time to get on fodder on bids, just like last week was. And maybe throughout the rest of this week, you should see fodder go up a little bit. I wouldn't say it's a guarantee, but I would say that it seems decently likely for the amount of SBCs that are on this game, SBCs are going to continue to be dropped on this game. And there's, there's consistent demand and that's good things. That means good things for these cards. Now the 84x10s could continue to be dropped in the store, but it looks like EA slowing down a little bit on the lighting rounds because last week, they had 84x10 all night, Friday night into Saturday, and they are not there right now. Now, like we mentioned yesterday, there's going to be more store packs today for sure. They're going to drop the 84x10 and more upgrade packs 100%. But I think, you know, if we don't get any good SBCs today, if Allison's not a great SBC, then maybe you have one last chance to get in on some fodder because it's probably not going to drop too much between where we are right now. And then when we get to maybe Sunday with another icon SBC, player pick pack, or a hero player pick pack sort of situation. I think we're nearing, we're near the lowest point for this stuff. Maybe today, rather than where we will be this end of this next week with more SBCs, a lot of SBCs still out, and people having coins in this game. So that's the place where I'll be watching cards right now again in this game. And if an EVO does impact prices, let me take a look at Mazurawi, who is a card that we looked at last week, when all of the right backs and left backs were hurting from evolutions. Mazurawi went from what 200 and what was he like 230,000 coins, he went all the way down to 160.  Last night, he was having a rarity spike. It was 200,000 coins. He's 190. Now you're starting to see some of that stuff rebound pretty well. Cancelo team of the group stage was another one, right? He went down to I think like 260. And now he's over 300,000 coins or right at 300K. So these cards that are meta that are big name popular, they continue to rise to market. It's very healthy right now. It's very, very good to trade in. Just got to look in the right places and be careful with the timing. And yeah, I guess watch out for the evos and see what they drop for that. Other than that, I don't think there's going to be too much today going on on Saturday. I don't think any of the objectives are like going crazy today at all. I know we're still watching the Winter Wild Cards weekly trader. I think this is set to expire tomorrow, but I'm not entirely sure. Last week on Saturday as well, we had a pretty good Luis Hernandez SVC that was still central to his position with being a striker, but it was good value. And that gives me at least a little bit of hope for today. Just a little bit of hope guys, maybe EA do something decent day with Allison. That's my hope. But if you enjoyed today's video, drop a thumbs up on it. Comment down below what your thoughts are on this Winter Wild Cards. I know some negative stuff, some positive stuff. A lot of people are feeling a lot of different things with this, but let me know what you think down below in the comments. And of course, subscribe to the channel. If you are new, I'll see you guys in a video tomorrow at the very least. It's been Nathan McCann. See you guys there. Peace out.


Fun Sport Friday, and we've got some good old-fashioned shin kicking. This actually is old-fashioned from the 17th century Here's a semi-final match between babyface in the left here a guy. Oh, there's a wizard I think he's judging the events and there's a three kick combo goes with the right goes with the left gets him off balance sweeps him Bam, he's gone babyface moves on to the championship that guy wonders I shouldn't have signed up for this not really that interested. Oh, here's the defending champion He comes out aggressive kicking hard. Why is the judge have a sword? Why is the guy got a sword? Anyway, he kills him. He heard some listen out of this used to play.  All right? Here we go. This is the final match babyface versus the defending champ He's got a good grip almost like a hockey fight gets him down easily there It's more about holding the dude up then dropping him when you get him off balance. I think here we go Right leg there right kick there. Oh, what are they doing wizards in the way? Belly's out She's really embarrassing the babyface more.  All right.  Okay wizard. Please move.  I think babyface one here We go. This is the final match winner wins. Ooh big swing and a miss Okay, here we go. Oh, that was kind of weak. I think the defending champ strategy is to get him moving backwards So they're a little more off-bouncing. He's moving backwards. I got to stop this. Okay. He's got to go on the aggressive now He's got to move him backwards. He got to sweep the leg right after the other I kicks because that's when he's off balance There was a weird one. Oh, these guys look really tired Super tired. Oh a little twisty move. I like that left kick from the defending champ Okay, nothing doing nothing doing tiring each other out seeing oh big kick there big kick there And he drops the babyface. He's like, oh my god. Well, I tried real hard defending champ wins again Shin kicking wins again


So if you had to describe a game that most people would assume that Raymond Scott would have no interest in 1846 should be near the top of that list. No I mean it's not a game we have no interest in it's just one of those like stereotypical games we sort of always jokingly refer to right it's like we laugh about like a train game that uses crayons or grognard war game or train game where you only take four turns.  You very rarely see people playing these kinds of games and when you do they tend to fit certain stereotypes. Yes games tend to take a very long time. The games tend to be more simulatory than the sort of elegant machine building type games we tend to prefer. They tend to be more experiences where you explore a set of complex mechanics rather than a game where you read the rules and already have a pretty good heuristic about what to do. They also accurately represent true historical events at least related to trains in this case so that you can you know learn like so someone is a nerd about old trains would like get jolly's playing this game right regardless of the winning and losing factor. Now what's funny is that even games like not age of steam but railroad tycoon like the baby version that game all the cars when you buy trains they have that numerical like four two two like this is a four two two train and because of that I actually know what that means. I don't know what that means. It's those guide wheels versus drive wheels versus those trailing wheels. How many of each there are. OK. And I mean only on the locomotive that all the cars. Yeah the locomotive itself. Yeah. But 1846 has that amped up to eleven. So this game was present basically our friends Chris and Anthony like this game. They played it and well there's a whole series of 18 XX games that are all train games from different geographies and areas I guess mostly in the U.S. but I assume they've also got Euro rails and stuff like that. But you know that are you know so this one is about the Midwest and of course the year 1846 like what was happening with train companies there and then. Yep. And apparently the I have not looked at these other games but I've learned a little bit about them. All the other 18 dot dot games are very similar but have like soul crushingly esoteric differences or like very specific nuances that make them completely different games. Right. So it's like you could learn one and then easily learn to play another one in a short amount of time once you've learned one. But there will be significant differences. You'll probably not win because you'll like you'll mess those up right because but I guess if you're super studied on train history maybe you'll just anticipate those differences because they match real world events. Yeah like you might know about one of the like small railroads like like the Erie line or something and what happened to it. And then when you see what happens to in the game like all it makes perfect sense because actually there is this this line that used to go around Lake Erie. It's not in this game but it is a train line I know a lot about was it there in 1846 or before then or after then. I think it was around. It was around before then. Definitely. It just does not play in the 1846 game. I think its heyday was earlier but I know stuff about it because it's intrinsically tied to the history of this theater point anyway. So yeah but the other interesting thing about this game like the core point I want to get out in the review before getting the details is that we both enjoy it and I did not expect to feel the desire to not only play it but to play it again and having played it twice to actually really want to play it a third time. Well here's the thing is like I don't super want to play it right but it's like I totally will play it and it's sort of on this borderline where it's like it's got a lot of action right.  There is an exception to that. Amanda got into a specific situation where she was pushed to bankruptcy by nonsense and literally could not do anything meaningful for many turns in a row. I guess so but it's really hard to not do. It was it was such a like crazy situation a turn of events that happened that she had no control over. There's also like a lot is a lot of even though the rules are sort of as a tariff there's a lot of flexibility in what you can do in terms of like stock trading and train building and train buying it. So there's a bunch of very fiddly specific arbitrary seeming exceptions to general rules but they are further from the core of the things I asked to be able to do than the games or I would complain about that like there's limits on how many stock certificates you can own. But that doesn't really come into play until the very end of the game. So even though that is an arbitrary distinction it is not something that I bumped into in the course of natural play. But anyway so the main thing is like the game takes a little while to play. It takes a few hours. Yeah. You can play fast if you've got skills and help and experience but it still takes a while no matter what the game has sort of on this border between where it takes too long. It's not worth it. If it was shorter it would be like the best game ever.  It's like OK. I put the time aside. It's still and unlike say eclipse where there's a lot of time sitting doing nothing you're doing stuff the whole time. You don't get you know I haven't gotten bored and distracted usually when there's an eclipse playing eclipse takes as long or longer. But I'll spend a lot of time during an eclipse game sitting around being bored waiting for my turn in this. That's almost never happens right. Either. Either while I'm waiting for my turn I'm thinking about like stock value and like could I pull this off over the next few turns and wonder what Scott's going to do or I'm watching some drama unfold in the stock market. Yeah. And you can only do a very small number of things on your turn. So the the rounds go around very quickly and then everyone sort of calculates simultaneously. Yeah. So without that downtime like you're into it for those hours you're actually probably in sort of play per time. It's very efficient. Right. Whereas eclipse if you actually like to talk about if you took an NFL game and cut out all the commercials the game is only like 20 minutes of real time or something like that of actual playing from like start of place to end of plays. This game is like no it's actually four hours long and use the whole four hours. Eclipse is like five hours long but actually you're only using like one hour of your own time and four hours of waiting. But it is also interesting how such a sort of diversion and simulatory experience is crafted from a relatively small set of relatively elegant mechanics. Yeah. No there's not actually it's like it looks complicated. It feels complicated. But if you were to say redraw this game or read graphically design it to remove all the history stuff and the reality stuff and I would not be interested. Well yeah but make the symbology you know more I see where you're going to this right. You would see the game actually isn't really as complicated as it appears. Yep. It is it is actually not. It's like oh you have a round where you do stock stuff and then you do have two rounds of not of playing the game and then you do stock stuff again. But what's also interesting is stock market play play stock market games around and around like this that are reasonably simulatory like that kind of game style. The fact that it has so much history steeped into it like the proper nouns and all those like other train companies. It actually helps you build pretty reasonably good directional heuristics. Yeah. Based on just associating the fiction of the game with the mechanics like the combinations of some of those like independent railroads and certain things you might want to do in a region is very intuitive like it would be in the real world. So the only real problem I have with this game before we get into like explaining how it actually works is that there's so there's a concept in that book characteristics of games on called busy work like games that have busy work like does have one busy work in it. But I'm going to go one step further and there's I think I want to make a distinction. I've been using this word a lot lately in game reviews between pure busy work and what I like to call rituals. This game has a lot of rituals rituals are fine. Meaning but meaning that they are things that are moderately complex to do need to be done for the game to continue. But they can be basically entirely removed from your like you don't need to know them to play as long as at least one person playing knows that. I think it was. I think it's basically there's a bunch of stuff that a computer could do and then the game would take a lot of time. Chris had that spreadsheet that we used for the dividends and all that crap. And if you don't have that spreadsheet it takes longer to figure that out. So there and there is a ritual of moving the stock stuff up and down and figuring out the numbers on the dividends and all that stuff triple jump. That one makes a double jump. It's like I didn't need to know. I mean I guess I would have helped me have better directional or his tricks if I did fully understand that. But I thought you don't need to fully understand it to play well. I didn't need to. I was I was able to play well enough without knowing the exact excruciating details. But because the board game someone has to know them but only one person needs to know them and sort of be the computer. So that's my difference. Busy work is things that are generally equally spread among the players. Like imagine if you were playing civilization the video game on a tabletop but the rules were not changed at all. You have to be like OK this city produces this much food this turn. OK. It has enough food for population to increase. Yeah. Which means this much food gets eaten and this much surplus food is left over.   And you can you can choose to zoom in and pay attention to the specific math if you want to. But you don't need to for most you just need to know generally I want my population to go up. I need more food. So in this game the ritual is that as long as only as long as one person can facilitate all the details which Chris did for us then I probably couldn't play it. It wasn't. Yeah. The game is way more fun. And that's why I'd be very interested in a well made computer version of this game because the only other thing that has significant ritualistic well this one actually is busy work as players that's doing on their own is the busy guys are calculate the optimal set of routes to run your trains on. Right. So here's how this works is your each train company. Now let's talk about how the game actually plays. You have a train company. Well no you don't. You found a train company. Yes. Sure. Whatever. And you might have more than one that there is. Someone might steal it from you. Whatever. The train companies have money and trains and stocks. You as an individual person also have monies and trains and stocks. Right. And whoever has enough stock in a company controls that company. But obviously someone could buy all the stock and take the company. There's companies that don't exist yet in the game ever at the beginning of the game. Everyone buys one company or founds one. But there's some unfounded ones. You can always pick those up mid game. You might found a second one. You can have two different train companies. Yeah. It's like you know. But anyway there's an independent company. You can definitely have a third one.  Now this is where it gets fascinating. The goal of the game is for you the player to have the most money at the end. Yep. But your money is entirely distinct from the company's money. That is the interesting thing. So when you operate a train company you spend the train company's money. Yeah. You can't use your personal money to buy a train for the train company. But you can buy stock in a train company. And that money goes to the train company. If the company still owns some of its own stock you could buy stock from the company does to move your money in and the stock out. And then when the train company gets revenues those monies go to the shareholders. So if you own shares in a company or your opponents companies when that train company operates and brings in revenue you would get some of that money. But the train company still owns some of its own shares. That's how it gets more money. If a train company lose all of its shares it can't really make any more money and it has to continue to operate without any revenues because shareholders are taking all the revenues. Yep. Now the other interesting thing is that the train companies they can invest in their own infrastructure which basically just means buying trains. Yep. And they can invest in shared track infrastructure that literally anyone can use. This is the most interesting part of the game. Right. Is that in most train games like in railroad Tycoon you're moving cubes around and stuff like that. Right. That's not what's going on here. Right. What happens here is on a train company's turn when it operates it can basically like do only a little bit. Very limited how much track they can lay out. They can like what do one upgrade and one piece of track. Yep. Pretty much or two pieces of track I think is not two upgrades. No. I messed that up like twice. Yeah. So you can only lay out a little bit of track and what you want and the thing is the tracks belong to everybody. There's no owner of track is just you're upgrading the tracks around the country or the city where the train station is. So if you upgrade centrally and have a better train station that's great for everybody. And now the train company has stations and if all the stations in the city are blocked up well then someone else can't run their trains past it. But as long as they basically your train start from one of your stations and then they run where as long as not blocked pretty much to wherever they're going to make the most money. And so this is the busy work part is basically you say well this train company has these two trains. These two trains can drive this far. Here's where my stations are. What are the routes that will make the most money for these two trains. And this is where a video game you could literally hit a button and it would tell you the maximum run. Yeah. It's not like a decision. It's just like what's the answer. You're trying to look at the board and figure out like how much money. It's like you are the rule is you make the maximum. But it's like what is the maximum. You have to some.  But and there are situations where that might make sense. Yeah. Sure. But it's you make the maximum. Yeah. Pretty much. You might fail to figure out the maximum because it's trying to hard to figure out. It's like well I can use all the tracks on the board. What is the best route. Well I guess it's these four stations and you most of the time you get it right. But it's like annoying. I if you played in a computer the computer could just be like your revenue is X done. It would be a fraction of a second part of my brain. It's kind of fun until the map gets really complex toward the end. Yeah. And the early game is very obvious because you've only got like two stations like well. Yeah. It's these two stations. I get 80 bucks. But later in the game it's like oh no I can get 10 more dollars if I go this way. All right. And the other thing is that your your trains cannot share track. They can't like bump into each other. Like each track route or each hex edge can only be used once for you for you. But someone else can use those hex edges. You can't use your own hex edge twice if you have more than one train. So yeah. And there's all these other mechanics like so you can buy at the beginning of the game there's this whole draft where you can buy independent companies that do different things up to and including entire small independent railroads that run like a real company and eventually get brought into the big railroad. But you the player buy them with your own money. But then maybe you sell them to one of your train companies. But the game ends. There's a there's an amount of money when that amount of money is taken from the bank. Then you the game and imagine playing Monopoly and the bank has ten thousand dollars and I'm just making up a number. Yeah. Once that number one is zero and once the ten thousand dollars in the bank is completely gone. The bank has zero left. You keep giving people money for that round until everyone has the amount of money they're supposed to have. Yep. And then whoever has the most wins. So when that happens then the winner is whoever themselves not their companies just themselves has the most money between their money and the actual value of the stock they own. That's it. Yeah. So this game has like the interesting parts of the game. Right.  And if the train company can't afford to buy newer better trains they're just done. They're screwed. Right. So you have to basically get a big pile of money in the train company so that the train company can buy a larger better superior train like two or three times during the game. One happens almost immediately. Then there's the next one is a little hard and the final one is super hard. And you can get into situations where older trains become like obsolete and run a little bit. And then they're just like literally worth. Yeah. Those trains get like one last to run and they're out.  Yeah. If you leave too many shares in the company then you're sort of losing out on money and also leaving those stocks available to like be bought up by other people. But you're letting the company profit from its own work instead of extracting that wealth early. Yeah.  But shares in other people's companies which is crucial to like yeah it's like well Rims train company is better than mine doesn't mean I'm going to lose it. You know I could maybe buy all his shares out right now his train company doesn't. It's interesting how accurate to the time the corporate stuff is. Because you literally you're trying to extract as much wealth from the system as possible.  It doesn't your train company doesn't be the best one. You know the strategy I saw Chris use a lot was have one train company run it into the ground then have a second one that comes in later and that one runs to the end game. Because when you found a train company you do an IPO and you can pick the value of your stock. Right. So it's like he makes a bunch of early game money by running one train company in the ground uses that on a second train company that now has a bunch of money in its coffers so it can buy the better train anyway. So in terms of play and the way it feels you're using more real world fuzzy heuristics. Also when that second train company comes in doesn't really need to buy tracks because it tracks everywhere. Exactly. But you sort of have to just play it and explore these mechanics kind of bounce off of them. Like if you play this game with anyone who's played it before you'll have fun. You'll lose. Yeah. I think that's the one best thing I can say about this game even though it is a competitive skill game and also as a historical element in a thematic element. Right. You know it takes a while. Never been upset by losing or winning at this game. Yeah. It's an experience.   It doesn't feel like some roll and move garbage like monopoly. It's all decisions. This is not like what luck is there in this game. Nothing. Is there any luck at all in this guy. Just the initial drafting. Yeah. I don't think there's not a there's not a deck. There's not a dice roll. There's not a nothing. Yep. Right. And it just feels way good the whole time. So you don't really you know you don't get too upset. And even though I don't think I don't think I've ever won.   But I could play this a few more times. I'm curious about trying the because apparently as from what I gather this one is probably the most accessible. Yeah.  The one thing is that every time I play this I've played it three times. Now I'm actually playing one of the other ones might give insight like if the rules are a little different about a thing. Yeah. Like strategies back. You only do that if you're way into it. True. If you're just a board gamer in general it's like you're going to try one of them. Try this one. If you want to try a game that's more like these simulatory wargaming like weird stuff. This is a pretty good one for a Euro gamer to try as long as you have someone who is going to teach you and do the rituals. Yeah. Anyway. So the one thing about this game I played it three times and even though I played it three times just plenty of times to learn the rules of a game is that it's this much time between plays that I sort of forget the not the may not the general rules but these small details right when exactly do these trains expire when exactly can you start doing this versus doing that and whatnot and those details matter a lot. So what happens is I forget those details the next time I play and I'll make a mistake. For example the most recent time we played at Pax Unplugged I definitely made a huge mistake. I did something on a turn and there was no reason I couldn't have done that thing a turn earlier would have been just better. I just did a turn later then I could have for no reason just because I didn't realize I could at that time and that cost me some money whatever right. But it's like if I could play the game twice in a row or twice very close to each other. I would basically remember all those tiny details that I've probably have already forgotten since Pax Unplugged in the first game like the warm up remember how to play remember all the details game. Yeah. And then play a second game with no excuses and no forgetting of those details and probably perform really well like I give myself an actual above zero percent chance of winning if I could play twice in a row in game two in game one no zero percent chance but in game two. I think if I play twice in a row I would have a greater than zero percent chance of win. So you want to know the kind of person who plays this game. I'm looking at board game because I said like the screen shot up. Yep. The first comment someone commented on this individual picture and the comment is why is there a city tile on the Hex immediately to the west of Detroit. And sure enough there's one there because there's no city there in the game and the next response is did they house rule Ann Arbor in and yet a third person said that basically there's a lot of people chatting about this error in this one random screen shot on board game. You mean photograph. Yeah. It's not a screen. It's a screen shot. It's not a screen shot. No board game. It's not. I'm going with that. OK. It's a photograph. But someone noticed that and there is a robust discussion in this one thread about literally this one picture among dozens. Yeah. So yeah. If you are at all you know it's like you know if you hear people talk about like these you know things that you know it's sort of like I talked about back in the day fist of the north side. You keep hearing about fist of the north star but you never actually go to watch it. Right.  You keep hearing about like super nerdy train games super nerdy war games or things like that. You never actually go and play them ever. You just know that that's sort of out there. It's like that is it's out there. You heard of it. It's a thing. Go check it out at least once. Yeah. It might be worth it. You might like it. You might discover something new. And even if not you'll learn something and then you'll learn you just want to do it again. Yeah. And actually to be honest this game is literally the reason why I was inspired to make that new panel on the top 40 or the 40 board games you should play. Well table top games because I'm a sneak some RPGs and card games in there. Yeah. Because yeah. So yeah we enjoyed this game and it's the kind of game that a lot of people who know us would assume we would not enjoy and shows what you know. I mean I wouldn't buy it. I wouldn't play. No. I would not play it without someone who was able to do the ritual. I wouldn't I wouldn't play it super frequently. But it's the kind of thing I could play. You know a few more times before you know I've had enough of it. And you know I don't think I could keep enjoying it forever though. Yeah. But it's like it's eventually you'll have explored all the sort of mechanics. Once you've explored them if you actually try to hyper optimize the game. Yeah. I don't know if it would still be fun. I'm no interested in that. But it is. It's just like it's a really in terms of even though it costs a lot of time to play I can't get over the fact you get so much value like you're constantly doing stuff that whole time. And it's like every time I've played it like time is flown by. It's like whoa it's already that time and it's like because you're just playing the whole time. There's no there's no downtime where you're getting bored or feeling like it's long. Yeah. I also do like the simple thing that I wish more games did of if you have a machine you can crank or a thing you can operate. The turns are do the stock thing and then you crank that machine twice. Yeah. And you're all the machine games don't like your crank at enough times. And you're making that does this is all my good. The decisions you're making are engaging and interesting and you have a lot of flexibility to be creative. It's like you can you have money. What are you going to do with it? Business man. Which is a lot of games. If you have a machine the players can crank. Let him crank it more. The game is going to feel better. Yep. Go my goods at the end of the game crank it twice. Yep. I like that. I haven't seen that enough. All right. I'm so hungry. I might I can smell what Emily's cooking in there. This has been Geek Nights with RIM and Scott special thanks to DJ Pretzel for the opening music can't leave for web design and brand OK for the logos. 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When we're faced with adversity and challenge, you know, none of us likes adversity or challenge, but the Lord points out that this is the way in which we grow in greater kindness and gentleness. And he adds an interesting point here. The Father says that not only is our virtue proved each time we render good for evil, but that a good man gives back, quote, fiery coals of love that dispel the hatred and rancor of the heart of the angry. So that from hatred comes benevolence. In other words, a person who is opposed has the opportunity to grow in strength and be fortified in virtue of himself. But also, when a person responds virtuously to the other who is not being so virtuous, it dissipates the fury of vice in the other.


Hello everyone, welcome back to theCUBE's live ongoing coverage of HPE Discover Barcelona 2023. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host and analyst, Rob Streche. This is day two for us. This is our fourth set of guests, we'll keep going. Absolutely, great energy here today. And I think very timely discussions as well. So I think this is really excited about this one. I think, you know, again, it's one of these with COP28 going on, just starting out in Dubai. This is very timely to continue talking about, yes, exactly. Well, I want to introduce our next guest. We have Kiara Silvetti. She is the Director of Sustainable Business at ATIA. Welcome. Thank you. And John Fry, who's a many time CUBE alum, welcome back to theCUBE, Chief Technologist Sustainable Transformation at HPE. Welcome. Yeah, thank you. Great to be here. Kiara, I want to start with you. Tell our viewers a little bit about ATIA and what your sustainability challenges are. Absolutely. So ATIA is a channel partner of HPE and other leading technology companies. And what we do is that we bring solutions to public sector customers and private sector customers and the Nordics to help them manage their IT infrastructure, to help them get this data to turn into insights and therefore drive the strategies and of course to help them manage the workplace of their employees so that the employees become very efficient. And my role is to integrate decarbonization thinking, circular economy thinking and human rights and business thinking into our business. So I work a lot with our business lines and developing the offering and I talk a lot to customers. And that's what I think makes us a little bit unique because we set up the interface of the great technology that HPE provides and how our customers are going to implement it and use it. Well, I want to hear from both of you about what exactly you're hearing from customers. John, what are sort of the things that keep your customers up at night as they drive toward greater efficiency and net zero? Yeah, I think it's where do you start? Where do you get guidance? Because sustainable IT is a topic that's not taught in universities. So the next wave of people that are going to be running these infrastructures aren't taught about efficiency academically. It's not been a topic you could even buy a book on. So most people that are in this space have learned by doing, which is one of the reasons that HPE writes the white papers and writes customer workbooks to help them on the journey. So it's really get a sustainable IT strategy as part of your digital transformation strategy. Get it up at the managerial level because it is a senior level conversation. Boards are starting to get asked. Institutional investors are asking. CEOs are getting asked. So CIOs are getting these requests and they're not sure in some cases how to respond to them. So that's don't reinvent the wheel. Learn from others that have been doing it and let's keep the momentum going. Yeah, I think it's really just, I mean, but beyond sustainability that we've been talking about all week, it's AI. And I think AI, and again, being a technologist and really having a pension for sustainability, I look at it and go, AI seems like one of the least sustainable technologies ever. I mean, especially chat bots and stuff like that. But when we had Tyga on and others who talked through it, what are you telling customers about how they address AI and the sustainability about it? There's a key question. So there are two questions about AI. The one is the what and the other one is the how. The how is all around sort of the sustainable IT implication what you mentioned, how do you make sure that AI itself is as sustainable as possible? But the biggest question of it all is how are you going to use it? Because if you're using it to actually drive sustainability to align your company business strategy to your net zero strategies and using sustainability to power that, then you can pretty much, it's a fairly easy calculation. You can outweigh some of the costs with the massive benefits that you're going to bring about for your decurbanization trajectory, right? But then at the same time, as we were saying, you need to make sure that you manage that AI in a sustainable way because the challenges are real. You're talking about a much more complex technology, a much more advanced technology, and all of the inputs that we've been talking about for years in the Nordics around sustainable IT, so the embedded carbon, the water, the minerals, the energy efficiency, they become maximized with AI. Yeah, it's funny because there was a study done and chat GPT for every five prompts is 16 ounces of water. It blew my mind when I heard that. And I was like, to your point, I mean, it's not just the power aspect of it. It's the whole everything that goes into it. What are the conversations you're having with customers around that? Yeah, it's really the same conversations. It's both, how do we shift from thinking about optimizing the infrastructure, the hardware and the data center, to now we have to think about data efficiency and software efficiency. Are the training sets of data that we're going to use to train the model right? Do they have inherent bias in them? Or have we taken data out and really strived to make the training sets unbiased? Then it's the hardware that it takes to run that training set and how long does it have to run? Even the difference between GPT-3 and GPT-4 is an order of magnitude of the number of GPUs that it took to process and the time that it took to process. So you're thinking, Uptime Institute suggests that we are adding three gigawatts of continuous load onto the grid over the next two years, just for training. And then you have companies that have historically not operated high performance computing devices. Now looking at that because that's what it takes to train or like HPE GreenLake for large language models, they're leasing or renting that capability from vendors like HPE to do that. But you're not done. The model's just trained. Now you have to do the inference and get the value. So it's that conversation. And then as Kira suggested too, what's the value return you're going to get by using AI? And does that outweigh the environmental footprint of the technology? And if it's environmental footprint to environmental handprint, you can do that equation pretty easily. But if it's environmental footprint to societal benefit, if you save 100,000 lives, how much more beneficial than say a megawatt of power consumption is that? And how do you make that balance? These are really complex questions and really hard questions. So do you have a framework or a way that you help companies and clients think through these things? Because I don't even know if there are right answers, frankly, I mean, wow. And that's exactly right. You need to think through those questions. And that's where the AI and sustainability conversation belongs in the boardrooms. It belongs in the leadership teams because you need to start by aligning those goals. And then once you've done that, then you need to start by saying, oh, well, how much competence do we need to bring in at different level of the organization to think through those questions? But also how do we bring people excited about this? Because I think there is an aspect of it which people might be a little bit scared and worry about, okay, well, how is this going? And if you involve your people, if you involve the right people in your organization at an early on phase, then you can do hackatons, you can do, you know, you can brainstorm about, okay, how are we thinking about this problem? Can we solve it with AI? In what way can we solve it about AI? And then I think there is also, the other part of the equation is the guidance that exists around sustainable IT. And thank God we're not starting from scratch. As you said, you know, we're applying it to slightly, well, to more challenges, essentially, but we're not starting from scratch. And there is a lot of thinking that has been going on. And so I think don't reinvent the wheel is a really good parameter and learn from people that have already done it. That's how we operate, for example, we create a network of practice among customers that can actually learn from each other about how do you apply sustainable IT? How do you set up a sustainable IT strategy and so on? So that is one way of doing it. Do you see a lot of customers getting together on that and from a community perspective? Because I think that is the key is that, because if I, and I've talked to people and I'm like, you know, HPE, they're net zero 20, 40, they've pulled it in 10 years, they're looking at, and they put out, you know, all of their scopes, you know, all of the categories within scope three, for instance, there's a transparency to that. Is it a combination between HPE and the customer groups, and are they getting together and talking about this? Yeah, absolutely, and I like to say partnership is leadership. That's how you get it done. So back to the framework question, you asked us, is there a framework we've developed on as HPE because one didn't exist? And we started with equipment efficiency, energy efficiency, and resource efficiency. We've talked about that on other Cube videos over time. But because Atea brings together groups of technology professionals and technology purchasers, two years ago we added our fourth lever to that because we saw this need coming, software efficiency. And we just released that white paper for customers this month. And then last year at Atea's event, we launched our fifth data efficiency. So how do we, rather than building a solution and then figuring out how to make it efficient, how do we think about the business challenge or opportunity we're trying to solve in the first place and then think about the data from the AI training sets or the data that we intend to collect to get insights from so that we're thinking intensely about that from the beginning. So that's a great example of how the communities come together and shared practices to help us all accelerate. And I think the key word there is the ecosystem. So we are all part of an ecosystem. And from the buyer side to the channels to the technology leading company to your own suppliers if we actually get together and figure out some of these issues together then we can actually make a difference across the value chain. And that's exactly the space that we want to operate given the particular position in this ecosystem that we have. So every year you mentioned our conference we bring together about 600 IT decision makers and sustainability professional and procurement professionals to actually think through some of these issues and share best practices. And with that they can also send a very clear message back to the industry about what their expectations are. Something that gives me quite a lot of hope in this is that about four out of 10 of CIOs that we actually interact with they're already thinking about bringing in IT expertise and solutions that can help customers and citizens reduce their emissions. So that's pretty cool. Kiara and John both of you have made the point that this is really a leadership strategy question. It's not sustainability can't be a siloed part of HR or something like that. This really needs to be part of the board conversation that CEOs, what are the implications of the EU energy efficiency directive and how are CEOs thinking about that? I'll start with you. CIOs are thinking about that and they need to because they need to realize that it's their mandate and responsibility to have that strategy at their level. They need to think about three things. The first one is to think about their materiality. So what is important for them for this setup they have for the type of infrastructure they have, the type of data strategy they have and figure out what matters. Then they need to set up a framework internally and that framework is all about connecting the right people in the organization. Because the CIO alone is not going to do it. The sustainability alone is not going to do it. They need to bring the people together. And the third one is actually finding the right guidance and the right partner that is going to help them to implement and measure and especially measurement because the measurement part is what differentiates this sort of regulation from the non-regulatory and the sort of voluntary schemes that we've had before. Now you need to prove that you've done your homework and you need to prove that you're actually implementing the measures to achieve your goals. Is a lot of it like science-based oriented? Is that what you're recommending? Is that they? Absolutely. Because I think again with, we were talking to the ops ramps folks and the sustainability dashboard, is it where procurement and CIOs and CEOs are saying, hey, we need to see this strategy. That has to be a requirement as we go out and procure the gear to go and do AI, for instance. Is that what you're recommending to those customers? Absolutely. Setting science-based target and asking for your suppliers to set science-based target is a core. It's at the core of it all. But actually also not only set the targets, also weigh those targets into your procurement decision because unless you put your money where your mouth is, nothing is going to really happen. And then the third piece is to actually ask for measurable reductions in CO2 because everybody's setting targets today. The trick part is to actually reduce the emissions.  Are the companies serious? Do they actually have a plan to execute on them? And frankly, some of them don't appear to have much scientific basis. And part of what those regulations are going to do is all of a sudden you're going to be reporting carbon emissions under the Corporate Sustainable Reporting Directive or a variety of data center metrics under the Energy Efficiency Directive that need to be auditable, verifiable. So that's really going to strengthen and reinforce climate commitments. And companies that have never made them historically are going to start making them as well. That's all good. Bringing clarity, bringing specificity enables everyone to be on the same sheet of music as it were to help drive this progress. Well, that's a great note to end on. John Kiera, thank you both so much for coming on theCUBE. A really fascinating and relevant conversation. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Stay tuned for more of theCUBE's live coverage of HPE Discover Barcelona 2023. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight for Robstretch A. You are watching theCUBE, the leader in high tech enterprise coverage.