explained is like so that's why she's unlucky and she can't get at the information she wants the time but it's just like don't you is it in the games that they explode the ships as well or no I'm not sure sometimes they'll scuttle ships that like they but the main thing is to purge the data but yeah they'll they'll absolutely entails self-destructs of ships that's definitely something the cold protocol if they had engaged that she'd be within the first game yeah that's why in the first game you you're given Cortana in the first place because they got all the data stored on her that's right you can't let Cortana fall into enemy hands because if she does it's kind of however we haven't told people in the audience who don't know yet about I'm assuming it hasn't been mentioned yet because I don't think I've heard it this little thing I'm putting on screen right now the energy word in her energy sort finger that was absolutely hilarious that is indeed an energy sword that comes out of her fucking fingernail everyone this is so stupid why someone I one of the writers this would be so cool and bad scary I like the concept of like a stealthy based assassin type elite that maybe has like wrist blades or they even had those wrist blades all of the starcraft yeah yeah yeah they had a couple in the last scene on reach right when when noble six dies they have some of those elites with the wrist blades yeah I think that's kind of a cool concept this is a bit it's a bit silly this is goofy as fuck yeah fortunately when the yeah they never noticed this alien technology that's inside of her body well it's alright because she yanks it out anyway she yanks it out without anesthetic I wish she had a I wanted to have an energy blade for all her fingers and tornadoes yeah lady death strike like like ah like we are good thing there were no cameras in that room that could have captured there are never cameras ringing cameras get the way of us telling our plot we can have nothing and nothing is video or audio video can be doctored every room is a stone block this may well be a good time to point out I I think the UNSC in this show might be one of the most incompetent fictional militaries ever I I still posit that the first order are worse I I said one of it's it's fine if the the first order are absolutely insert but like the number of things that happen in this show that just like man very command chain of command what is that I was I was going to say for a job saying they won off isn't even that special because that just tends to be the norm at this point what's the last time you came across like a government organization in a big piece of media that you were like this is an impressive and well oiled sort of government I mean I guess shield in Avengers one were okay the first order where the red guys from new Star Wars right well I remember okay do the equivalent of their setbacks yeah first order did pretty pretty swimming action which way was up dude yeah yeah but they had they made of a fleet of a thousand they only they only succeeded any coasts yeah but they only did that because the good guys were even more incompetent than they were that's how it works these days like they make up the intelligence by making everyone else stupid a shield wasn't tried more accurate that like as a whole maybe it's incompetent but there's the people in the government that are very competent like captain keys like maybe just some of the people around him are stupid I don't know well so the problem is I would agree with you but then an episode eight when they find out that Mackey killed all the people on the Gladius keys who was in that room decides you know what I'm not gonna like get her out of here or earlier in the episode when the communications are down before communications are down that's an uncanny coincidence I don't want to take that risk oh yeah the military bases communications just went off should we be concerned now about the government now I in our base especially when she comes in so frustrating so much like happens like news is given and conversations I had in the fucking room with the artifacts like can you please step outside close the door and then have your conversation the fact that they have no cameras in there like in her room for the interrogation which even though they know the fact that Parangosky let him do the interrogation when she's observed that he's being a little bit unhinged and not following orders like I don't know that the military is on the show and all of the people who were in a hyper incompetent everybody nobody when they zapper in the seed they just flash over what she was zapped as a kid and it's just like they don't trust you as an audience they really don't they don't remember she doesn't like being taste thank you I I don't know humanity it's like shut the I hate you like you're a horrible horrible person yes they tased you they don't need to destroy everything by touching the fucking artifact either and also you're trying to you're part of an alliance that seeks to end all human life like I I don't I don't care if you suffer really it's just not really one of my pressing concerns well I guess it's like this is sure I think it's making a point cause like it's it's not yeah the show does the whole like humans bad thing and I'm like this is Halo what do you mean humans bad here well so actually rags I like disagree I think that the problem with this show if anything is that it believes that humanity is exceptional I think this is a show that definitely has human exceptionalism is like a theme and I'm I know that this is contentious I don't like that as a theme in science fiction stories personally I think that when you have a bunch of aliens including like the elites if you have social structures that they can organize that effectively like the covenant humans being compassionate like humans having qualities that allow us to cooperate together it's not it's not going to be unique to us the elites are going to have the same thing that we have you know well this because the show seems to simultaneously then say that humans are bad and great but in such certainly contrasted ways that almost seem incidental and not supposed to be like like we have good and we have bad but the goods worth fighting for you don't get that message you it's more of maybe it's just maybe I'm confused by the incompetence of how they frame everything well I think that's that's the thing right the writers haven't thought it through enough I don't think they've thought through enough I think they've done the surface level of humanities awesome we have been an aspect of ourselves it's really cool and worth protecting it's like that's fine um but when you actually explicitly say like the we're special um that humanity is special there's something in humanity that's special it's like right what do you mean by that in a world where there are elites and I guess the problem is it's like in this universe we don't know enough about the Covenant to know these things but in the games like the elites have similar qualities I suppose that's part of the issue isn't it because when you say humans are special in the world like Halo you're like compared to the Covenant then who else you're talking about well well well it's in the games it was kind of just like Spartans are special because they represent the best of humanity was it's at least the most efficient but they're created through like they're created through questionable means I actually like the whole UNSC government drama kind of angle that the show was going for I don't like the way it was executed but I feel like it would be good to plant the seeds of like oh yeah UNSC and only in the Spartan programs were not as ethical as you know you might imagine and those questions start to kind of like you know they drip those around and so it's like okay the audience might start to question why master chief is the way he is and why he's so like brutal and just this perfect killer and I feel like that's it's a very important aspect of his character but again it seems like it's not be the main focus of the whole fucking show I think that master chief's childhood is practically irrelevant entirely in the games it it is but the fact that he had one is important everyone had one yeah what do you mean what do I mean is that is that like how does how does a kid go from being in this program to being like the guy in the armor well that's only something you know if you're like told it it's not necessarily intuitive at all like if if they would have never explored his childhood and just essentially held firm to the idea that master chief is a really good soldier then I don't think that necessarily you'd have to at all explain that this is some kind of a military program about children and things of that nature you could if you want to but I almost feel like that's taking time away from something that could be much more interesting well I would I think it should have been built up slowly over time because it's it's the whole reason why the Spartans exist and that's probably something that should be explored in the show just not the huge major focus and chat someone I think someone mentioned like well they can interact with forerunner stuff so they're special right so I think to be clear like a specialness that stems from I guess circumstance versus a specialness that is like intrinsic in the cosmos feel like those are two different things so like for instance humans are special and they can interact with forerunner tech that's just because they're forerunners though like it doesn't it doesn't say anything about them innately like what they are as a species what they represent the qualities in them that are like admirable or anything like that it's just a certain what accidentally skip randomly into the sex scene I was like that oh no no no no no you can't do that um yeah play the shit I guess some so much to be a bit clear find it to be kind of shallow to just sort of have the character say like yeah humanity is special like more so special than any other people in in in this universe bringing things all aliens have an inherently human qualities not necessarily oh not necessarily elites seem to the elites and humans get along in halo well well the covenant are the main people to compare against and it seems like that's what you'd be saying. So I don't want to draw to the games the point that I was making is that I think if you present the covenant as a very complex social structure where people where groups cooperate essentially if we were to look at humans on earth what is it that makes humans special compared to other animals it would be that we are able to organize into incredibly complex social structures that enable us to achieve goals that are beyond what individuals can do that's essentially like what our special thing is have also achieved that is it not fair to assume that the covenant also have those traits in them so that when you say like what humanity is special because we are compassionate it's like do you think that the Covenant are incapable of compassion towards each other like do they do they have no qualities like a level of benevolent even though they're obviously evil and antagonistic towards humanity what are the qualities that they have in and of themselves within the Covenant monos and poppers and that sort of thing especially brothers and arms and that's got to be a big part of their culture we've talked about it before but when sci-fi usually gives humans the a unique trait compared to all of more advanced alien societies they'll often appeal to like humans don't give up and that's usually framed from the fact that we're on the lowest end of the spectrum for technology or abilities like we're behind all the cool sci-fi alien people and yet we'll we'll still we have that resolve in the spirit which doesn't necessarily denote that we are intrinsically special but it's nice to hear and I imagine that's part of what's frustrating about this show is that they didn't really expand on what their thesis is related to that because I wanted to add to the like what do I if there's something to draw the this shows perspective on humanity I'd be like I think it's trying to say Halsey represents the worst of humanity the Spartans represent how cold humanity can get and then the almost changed Spartans are like the hope that humanity represents the compassion and warmth that we are and then how that's almost represented entirely within McKee is a character being torn between how shitty humanity is but also how great humanity can be and I just like I just don't think they had anything meaningful to say they just threw a bunch of components in and went humanity question mark my friend was killed on the dumpstoop planet exactly about to give him that's Halsey did nothing nothing wrong absolutely nothing the show doesn't agree with you it has nothing interesting to say about that because unfortunately the show is wrong and in so many ways well the thing is with Halsey is you're right like Halsey Halsey is um definitely she is presented as the perspective on humanity that is incorrect which is the idea that like controlling human evolution strips away like the aspects of humanity that are special and worth preserving which that's obviously it's a situation that's worth having for sure the show has an opinion on it though which is that she's wrong well it's her view I think yeah that we need to transcend what we are whereas that what they portray is the correct view of we need to stay as we are because what we are as good as it is well her view on humanity makes no sense to me because she's like she's so obsessed with elevating humanity but she seems to think that the way to do that is to erase humanity out of people and and so well what is that you want especially those inhibitors right that's a show's creation and it's so tying into the whole like like right yeah and I get the thing is is like that's all fine to do as well but again when you because now I'm just thinking like if the covenant have a religion they have a religion that they're trying to pursue like a goal of some sort of idea of like permanent ongoing bliss and I want to work together to achieve that how do you arrive at that point as like a civilization without having certain attributes of like human beings like compassion or the desire to achieve long-term goals or ambition or hope you know what I mean like you come the covenant as they are and then dismiss them as being like that they have none of the attributes that humanity would also have because of course we see that in the games when Arbiter finds out that the whole religion is a lion and the covenant fractures because of everything that's going on with like the destruction of the elite I mean you even have like when the when the the hierarchs get killed um like the elites I feel like dogs have compassion are we actually going to compare like the elites to dogs the elites ascension well it's funny because they are they act like humans in a lot of ways but then they'll do like battle roars and like weird stuff like when they're fighting like raw humans in a lot of ways yes to be fair then that would just bolster Fringy's point because if I said humans especially because we have compassion and someone could say well dogs have compassion why are you saying like the humans like you've got to do better than that and I think the show doesn't put any effort into it but on the flip side of the coin the other problem is we don't know the covenant at all in the show really at all we don't know anything about you never learn really anything about them you know what's great about the halo games is the way that the covenant is revealed um like and kind of that thing I was talking about about how fast you draw back the curtain if you go chronologically I reach was the last game budgie made but it's it's the first chronologically and I find it that they made a great choice by going back to none of the Covenant speak in English except for the grunts because that's funny and they get a pass um but the elites in reach and C.E. didn't talk in English I mean in combat evolved they took Johnson's lines and reversed them and fucked with them but uh and then in Halo 2 they start talking in English and then in Halo 3 you know the elites and the humans and the UNSE they start working together so it's they find out that they do have some they go from like this mysterious alien race that's really threatening and imposing to hey this character Arbiter is kind of similar to this character Master Chief and then over the course of time they find out they do have some similarities and they're they're able to work together and I feel like the way the Covenant were yeah the way they were presented was just it's pretty much flawless and I just wanted more of that like honestly when when I look at high charity and I just think to myself dude there's only like three scenes in the main Covenant fucking area before it's taken over by the word in this yeah well I'm talking about in Halo 2 yeah in Halo 2 you barely see high charity in cutscenes and I feel like that's like like I would want to see way more of that in the show yeah it's it's a ripe opportunity and yeah I mean I like Halo 2 what we get in Halo 2 through the perspective Arbiter is the character who goes on an arc in that game not chief like his arc is essentially realizing that like his whole life is built on a lie that he's been a tool of the profits to achieve the ends that they once that actually contrary to his own and then sort of basically gaining a level of independence of his own thought and making choices about what he values now it feels a little awkward when you have that be the arc of a character in the game and then in the show you present it as like well no like what we have as humans is special to us when of anything like the whole point of Arbiter is that it's kind of like the same it's the same things they have a different social structure they find some common ground yeah they find some common ground that they can become friends and like connect with and I kind of don't see that ever happening in this show because of the point that it's trying to make the point that it's trying to make is so geocentric it's so about humans that there's human and is why it formed what they believe in and what individuals within the Covenant think and whether they should have been much change they should have been introduced as like a lethal alien force that we know nothing about and like I said slowly draw back the curtain which is again why I think showing the profits in the second episode was a huge mistake and even Maki and trying to like build up some kind of hierarchy because we need to establish first that this is a major alien threat that's what you need to establish first we need to have various battles and scenes and UNSC and people being like what the fuck who are these aliens what do we do blah blah blah blah and then again draw back the curtain a little bit at a time maybe at the start of season two we start seeing what the Covenant society is like and you know it's kind of like have you guys seen Attack on Titan yeah no you're not okay well I won't I won't spoil anything but it takes a long time to learn the origins of the Titans and that makes them mysterious and interesting for a very long time basically for three three seasons or so and I feel like it's a similar concept of like you don't just play your hand right out the gate you don't just have Master Chief take his helmet off in the first episode and you don't just show the profits in the second yeah take your time you got the whole season ahead of you and multiple seasons already confirmed can go slower there are multiple seasons confirmed there's already season two got greenlit before the first one came out I wonder if they would have made that decision if they wait and it's been with our guy not exactly around I was going to say can we talk about that is because we we kind of started with Master Chiefs the character the did he have an arc in this show of this is because arc is realized his arc is humanity his arc is to become progressively more detached from the character he's based on well it's really it's really flawed right because it's established in the beginning that this is going to be a a soulless soldier like kind of brainless who discovers his humanity and then by the end of it he loses it all yeah so because I was going to say I'm not sure of Ackman is fully aware of how this episode goes but like right they got to stop all of the things from happening for the bad guys and there's just this this climax moment where we need to get the artifacts off the planet and back into human hands but we also need to get the Spartans out of here because they're all currently disabled for different reasons and all the Covenant are closing in so Cortana says to chief you got to choose either the artifacts get him out of here or save your team you can't do both and then he's like yeah but you can do both and what he's referring to is that if she controls his body fully you'll be able to she'll be so good that she can do both of those things um yeah and before we get into the mechanics of of that I was just going to say like that that that happens and by the end of the episode he's uh controlled by Cortana and doesn't speak and just does everything efficiently yep it's the only cool scene in all of the show by the way no I'm just shooting people everybody up that was very silly I mean it was silly it was silly I will grant you that but it was the only bit where I was like yeah finally what I liked about maybe five seconds and I was done I don't know why they didn't have to do that the whole time that was the big problem yeah yeah that's yeah like finally and then what I did appreciate about the finale is that it was like a sigh of relief because it finally was willing to let itself have some fun and inject yeah yeah I mean like oh thankfully where was this halo from the beginning so I didn't want that's just I didn't like it at all people they they no come on I agree rags it's full of fucking problems but like I just appreciated that it took itself a little less seriously and injected some jokes you know where like Cortana has that bit about spaghettifying the crew like that actually kind of worked for me because I like that it was like I wanted to work but I was too shocked I was like you kidding me there's a chance that we could all die and she didn't tell anybody but she didn't want to worry them that doesn't make any fucking sense at all you have to tell them you're right Moller I know I I understand what you're saying but I couldn't have fun cause too distracted by all the stupid I was just like why the fuck would this be the way that it works I think the thing is I think a lot of people are saying it's like a big fan service moment but to me I I feel like it's it's about a shallow as the fan service can get it doesn't even like we have them running around getting into fights with like Brutes and then we play a bit of the music was like the only time that I really play like any halo music in the show but there's no real cool leveraging of like any covenant vehicles or like the fuel rod cannon it's it's all like plasma pistols ARs and a needle our spot and chooses to use a needle when he's to begin and the majority the fight he's using a needle it's like where are your weapons mate you had you had the choice of all of them why did you have a needle oh yeah come to death man don't wait to use this needly why do they only play the halo theme like three or four times throughout the entire show because should have played blow me away breaking Benjamin the whole way first man yeah well the thing is is the soundtrack in this show is a lot more mass effect than it was halo which is of course you can do that if you want but it's a little bit awkward when you have arguably one of the well I would say definitely one of the best like overall soundtracks for like any video game series and then you just never leverage it at all except yeah the music is you sorry go ahead I thought they couldn't use the soundtrack because what my understanding with it was but then the halo theme does show up you're saying you've got the impression that wouldn't allow to just because the fact you weren't hearing it like and they kept changing because the the composers have some sort of lawsuit going on with I think that lawsuit or something like that I forget that that's with bungee that's not with Microsoft owns all of that so they can use whatever music they want I would imagine there's no issue they just didn't want to just I'm curious to a degree Marty O'Donnel has no they'll ship over his work the lawsuit with Marty was all about that he wasn't paid for for work okay destiny was the destiny music was also for the with Microsoft with the halo soundtracks I oh it wasn't I think I don't quote me on that I but I I'm pretty sure he he was basically suing because he kind of got screwed out of some money from Microsoft to I well because what I remember with the lawsuit was I think it had to do with stocks that he had in like bungee that was that was a bungee wrong termination I think was part of it and then there was a stuff in the music spheres I don't know how much that because they have the theme and they have arrangements that they use and like infinite that are rearrangements of the old I'm pretty sure they own it all they could have used if they wanted to they just didn't want to that's just crazy yeah people went crazy over that moment though where they they bait the it's almost like the track isn't used meaningfully as a a form of accentuating storytelling it's just like it is a reference as a key jangle yeah cause it would be an apt one usually they play like the halo theme for like the warthog run the end of halo one and halo three but this isn't a warthog run this is just a fight scene where he's fighting a bunch of brutes and just swinging around and then really makes you conclude Spartans so much better that it's like almost unfair to the to the Covenant which didn't you didn't get that impression doesn't really because like you know at the end when it's just like you know what what are you guys going to do for Spartans in a hunkered down area with Covenant coming for you and it's like well they're going to win right so this is the way they portray how good they are it's not like the Spartans the Spartans don't work for their success it's one of those we're just going to stand here and not care if we're getting shot because we've got plot armor and we're just going to shoot them all and there is no sense of superior tactics intelligent maneuvering in a battle there's no sense of any of that it's just they're just better because the plot says they're better what the show you know I lost what the show is a lost is the bigger picture I think so the bigger picture of this conflict is humanity is losing the Covenant outnumber humanity they have better ships they're beating humans Spartans as individuals the most competent like people in in terms of battle they're better than all of those and they work with the military because they always work with the military you always have like Marines with you on missions they're part of the military apparatus and Spartans are really effective but they can't win the war on their own really like it's it's got to be people working together they're not superheroes you know like they're part of the military they're super strong and they're really competent and they can achieve a lot of incredible things on their own like chief does a lot of amazing things on his own but it's not like this where it's like yeah don't send Marines to back us up we can do it on our own oh that was so stupid you know we'll go on our own and we can do these crazy fights up close well fighting all of these as far as I can tell this this mission is incredibly important and they're just like we'll get it done how and how and Goski says this is our first incursion it's a covenant control territory and he's like no you'll lose 10,000 Marines send silver team we can do it it's like I don't see how you and Marines wouldn't help exactly um they never say what ends up saving the day let's be honest it's a fucking Pelican that's what saves the day it is the Pelican which Cortana could have brought in to help much earlier in the battle but I'm suggesting I think anyone with that Pelican probably could have done like a normal pilot it seems that she's just firing at the general you know army well yeah the pelican kills like hundreds of them imagine two pelicans or maybe I made I made a video on the subject a long time ago it was uh is halo still a military sci-fi uh I remember that video yeah and that video was all about kind of like the demilitarization of halo where in five and an infinite and now in the TV show there's like this bizarre separation with the Spartans and the Marines because the first three games and reach you know the Marines take part in the story I mean even the whole reveal of the flood it happens to the Marines it's the human army yeah and and it adds character and life and charm and humor and uh a semblance of uh relatability and people for you to care about people that chief cares about in a chain of command well it's because I'll don't say that chain of command words this shit doesn't give a fuck about you know captain captain keys is important because he like you know you see all those people on the bridge and their pilots and or whatever and then they land on the ring and then you got to go you know scrounge up an effective resistance and the show just seems to like even newer halos just seems to kind of want to distance itself from the military aspect and the Marines which I've never really understood I think I think it's some you know how like a lot of people said high life five was like power ranges with like them jumping around with that crazy jetpacks and everything some I think it's like inadvertent I think it's just some like a because I like I said I replayed reach yesterday reaches like hyper military oriented every mission is presented through the lens of like this is a military operation and a lot of the the cinematography is through satellite imagery cameras mounted to like vehicles and the helmets it's like a very military oriented thing where you've got the Spartans working with command working with the military of doing coordinate like evacuations working with different branches of the military to conduct their missions so like when they go into space to put the the the supercarrier to like block the supercarrier with the um like they're working they're working with different factions in the military trying to think about the allocation of resources as well like we have limited resources we have limited things that we can achieve we need to be strategic in what we do it's very clear that the Spartans are part of the military like it's it's all it's a team effort like chief does a lot of great things on his own but it's not just chief I mean we've been seeing the Halo 3 it's like a coalition you have humanity and like the elites working together to stop the Covenant it's people working together um but like I think it it highlights a a greater point in fiction where I think we can all agree um we like it when characters that are supposed to be smart make smart plans right yep Game of Thrones Season 8 is prime example of that right it's just it's just characters should if you're planning a battle strategy I like knowing what the plan is I want to understand the logic behind it like knowing what the fuck is happening yeah and it's it's funny how the games with a hell of a lot less time because I only have like one hour of cut scenes per game have enough time to be like oh the the fleet that took reach was way larger than this one it's like well that's narratively because they didn't know that they were going to Earth that was an accent because they're looking for the arc and then it explains is playing as as it is and why it's not like complete overwhelming loss and I guess it's probably something worth highlighting mentioned earlier the Covenant are such a non-factor in this show that you would think that they're not that threatening at all when in the games they are an existential threat to humanity that is looming constantly like reach has an overwhelming sense of dread throughout the holding us like it's scary things are going to happen it's it's very scary that the Covenant are on reach it is very important that we stop when you blow up the supercarous like oh yes we did it we we stopped them and then slip space were up should detected slip space where oh my God it's like the whole Covenant fleet it's over we're done it's finished and then the last half of that campaign is like desperately trying to achieve your objectives while the plane is exactly way we got a we got a run it's we're running for our lives so that we could find another day it was a moment that I forgot but in the mission this is after the Covenant you've been separated from like noble for a while you go to the planet you you help civilians try to escape you get on a Falcon and as you're moving past you're just watching as like Marines with civilians by them are just getting demolished by they're left but it's everything's falling apart like the military can only do so much in such an overwhelming situation people get left behind people die and you can't save them it's like all of these things are the mistakes of this universe which is that this is a big like the Covenant are scary the Flutter even scarier it's incredibly overwhelming odds against you but if you watch the show you would get the impression that the Covenant aren't that scary at all the kind of strange yeah like everything that you would think about them that I think the show expects you to believe relies on you knowing what the games are absolutely intense I think the show does a really bad job of establishing in its own story the nature of the Covenant how scary they are and the threat that they pose think about really says you remember they send to collect that first artifact in episode one it's like how many even elites are there is like five and then a mostly other thing like what I'm getting out here is just like wow you know you'd expect them to send all kinds of shit that are really threatening and yeah yeah why not it's one of two pieces that important yeah it's that important to the Covenant they will send a fleet they will show up at split slip space they will kill anything that moves they will take it and yet apparently they just spent yeah they sent a dozen elites and that was apparently in their minds enough we'll think about it the elites were there for long enough to dig out this excavation site enough to get access to the artifact they've probably been on Madrigal for a while where are the where's the where's the cruiser where are and also even after you fight them on Madrigal as they're no concern on your part that Madrigal might be glassed you know like you've got the artifacts maybe they'll be digging around for it but you're not concerned with me leave all they do leave that's the thing magic you have the initial fight on Madrigal and then after that it's just they it's no one cares no the UNSC don't show up to collect the elite bodies and a technology that the locals don't go back really the Covenant I guess they don't care anymore even though they found a human inhabited planet I guess they just don't care better things to do when it's just it stops well it's just they exist only when we need them to exist for the sake of conflict but then otherwise they're just a non-factor because we got to focus on the insurgency subsplot with Kwan and we got to spend all these episodes exploring the humanity of Master Chief while he's walking around and like reach city it's just we are we are poorly allocating our time to things that we need to establish and if there's one thing that the show needs to establish it is what are the stakes of this conflict there's a threat yeah because here's another example Master Chief says we got to use this to stop the Covenant in this war and I'd be like you'd be forgiven for forgetting there's a war at all I'm glad you brought that up because they assume that Halo is like some sort of weapon we know it's a weapon because of the games but there's nothing in the show to tell us that it would be a weapon we brought that up a couple times this assumption that Halo is a weapon yeah or that it's meaningful in any way whatsoever like that's they don't know what the keystone is they don't know that it will guide them and remember the only reason they figure out what Halo means is because when Ky removed her like implant she was speaking the Covenant language around Miranda and then she's like oh think of asking you people who've interacted with Covenant for a long time that was awful oh yeah so fucking awful yeah let's see okay yeah just for anybody who isn't picking up the pieces there they crack Sangheely translations because the Spartans are just like by the way we've picked up some words for Sangheely by the way just yeah just by the way they just you know them and then they help them out and they're like oh sacred ring Halo and then they play the Halo music it's like god damn you people it's like if they'd never brought it up we'd never have any issue in the in a sense of like wait translation well why wouldn't you just start at record everything from their suits from all the things that are heard from all the the interactions you've ever had with all of Covenant and try and match it with things that point now or commanding other people to do and you have a huge cross-section linguists working on this all the time why would you rely on one curious scientist and someone a bunch of Sponsors being like pretty sure is Apple it's like really okay well there were no other not only are there no other scientists in there are no scientists in the base except for Maranda two scientists like humans have oh there is Maranda there is there is her assistant buddy who only exists to die so that holds a good escape don't forget another famous scene yeah he has one other trait dude that's a whole thing in this show is that bizarre fucking like so on lady all right well cuz yeah when he tries to sexually molest the clone really fucking weird it's so weird I don't understand what they were doing yeah that was I think that was fun they had this one like little scientist guy who they wanted to make needlessly creepy with that kissing scene and they have this little brief exchange of dialogue before that kiss where it's like will it hurt and he's like oh yes like in a really sort of creepy way where he's holding the syringe like he kind of relishes the fact that this is going to be painful and it just like comes out of nowhere and then he glens into the kiss and I feel like that creepiness was only done so in the finale a Spartan when he dies that guy was absolute like yeah he wouldn't mind as the audience because we're like well he was creepy right I think and that guy's death I think the audience was meant to go yeah they killed the creepy dude I didn't get that vibe I was just like I don't know how I feel like that it it feels like the other reason what's that sorry as I was just I was too busy being angry that guy of course took our fucking helmet off yeah because yeah to understand what's happening there Halsey's in big trouble she's trying to escape reach and Kai like runs on jumps on the ship gets inside and then takes off her helmet and turns her back on the creepy scientist guy it's a yellow Halsey Spartans everybody the creepy scientist guy hits her in the head with like I don't know like a baseball bat and then she kills him and she's distracted for long enough that Halsey gets to an escape pod and gets away and this is yeah she gets away ultimately in the whole show and it's like man Kai why'd you take your helmet off like I see that face we got to see the face otherwise they can't emot it's not like in the video games Master Chief emotes through body language like leaning in or no putting a hand on a marine shoulder or nodding even what little dialogue he has yeah it's not like when he finds Cortana in high charity infested with the flood and then he kneels down and he's like resting his hand on the pad and like leaning in that that tells me something about him you know that he's like happy he's warm he's he's happy and Cortana I'm thinking that's not too subtle too subtle yeah like it's really subtle when Chief is like when they arrive on the Ark and then he gets a sniper and he just throws a nod to the ODST or like when he looks over when they are when they're they're doing their like call back to the silent cartographer to make sure that the other spot like the other soldiers are okay before it jumps out it's not like Chief emotes constantly in the video games through just suddenly they would be able to pick all that up that's true it's not you see that's lame video game compromises that you need to have your characters and moat through animation not like in television where you have to see their face off the helmet every five fucking minutes and grimace at the screen not like you can have them convey their emotions through their words and through tone of voice either that's not possible wild stuff imagine reading the script so if you were this guy the creepypivot science man who gets killed yeah number your inclusion in this season you should be like okay I think what's weird about the pervy stuff is that it literally leads to nothing at all it's no I think the audience not like John has it it's as simple as that they did that scene so that we don't feel bad when they kill him right because they they wanted a scene where the Spartan does something really dangerous to like the human side of the war you know like just like one of the staff right like just because you you see like the just what it is they're capable of like that that that danger that were just unleashed on somebody who is like oh he's creepy it's fine you know they are they're capable of a lot like surviving plane crashes oh yes like I know when the plane goes down and it explodes and she's okay do they had no shame with that one they just have a climb out of like an inferno and it's like oh yeah well because they had it with in episode five when John Halo piloted a Banshee right into a phantom and it caused a massive explosion it even took down Kai's shields but she's okay because she can just survive being in the middle of an explosion I guess but meanwhile later in episode nine when Riz gets a plasma pistol that blows her armor off so plasma pistol is apparently more powerful than a whole plane exploding with you in it I guess yeah power levels and stakes are virtually non-existent in this show which is ironic considering in the games one of the benefit one of the good things that Halo does is it very quickly teaches you how to recognize what threats are and how to deal with them this is a this is a this it can do that to me so I need to do this that's a that it can do this to me so I know how to deal with it I know about what I can do over here it's like this video game balance aspect that's absent from the games entirely dies several times over in the scene yeah he does dude it's Kai's shields like and it doesn't kill him really the power of weapons and stuff is really inconsistent throughout the show because like right off the bat when the the plasma blasts take out those like kids in the forest like you really get a sense that it's impactful right like one girl is like a vaporized from the waist up with like one shot yeah then like massive ball of hot plasma just went through you and it's like it's as if you weren't even there because it's alien weapons yeah actually I like that beat at the start I did too in a later episode the first 10 minutes of the entire show it just goes away they front-loaded all of that violence into the like the first 10 minutes of the show and then it's gone forever you never see it again sorry right what sorry let me just finish this but what I'm comparing it to in I'm comparing it in my head to an episode 5 where you see Spartan getting pelted by the same plasma bolts but they're not even moving or reacting to it so it's like okay I get it that it's hitting their shields so is there some kind of like zero point energy thing where it's absorbing all the kinetic energy and they don't have to like flinch when they're getting hit but then no that's not the case because there's shots after that where they're getting pelted by plasma fire and then they're kind of reacting to it like like bouncing around and it's just like figure out what the measure of yeah force of these plasma blasts are and be consistent with it like it's tell me the show is inconsistent well we have another example it's asking too much sorry sorry when she fist fighting Vanneke and Riz he shoots some pistol shots at Vanneke and then later on Kotana says two shots take down the shields it's like okay so I guess they don't recharge and also six pistol shots will take down a Spartan shield but flying into an explosion with a banshee through a phantom won't do it yeah what are the power like they have to recharge they cannot not recharge that doesn't make sense I recharge I'm not appealing to the game right now I'm just saying like the reality of this this outfit like what are you telling me the shields are like are they on batteries and they run out once you've shot them enough and you have to replace them it's like we see it we see it recharge in episode one it actually recharges Chief Shield goes down and recharges because they wanted to have the sound effect from the game but they don't care to be consistent but they don't care about the mechanical implications of that sound oh you've got the scene where Chief without his armor basically manages to hold his own against two fully armored Spartans pretty retarded yeah it's insane does the armor do nothing like what the hell how could Chief with this fight well he also had Cortana helping him tactically right she looked down to that guy over there because when she activates the car we were like okay that's something but then she just like doesn't help bridges I feel bad I feel bad Jen Tyler I feel like she got brought in she advises to strike another Spartan in a very specific area because she's calculated like she's like hacked she's accessed the other Spartans armor system and figured out where the like weak point is if she can't walk it down if she can access it yeah that's a problem but unfortunately I'm not saying it's well done I'm just saying like that's an element thrown in where Cortana is giving him advice to like how to speaking get through the situation go ahead speaking of Cortana a lot of people say hey she's like in the games she's not I don't even know why people are saying that now that's that's one thing but also like I don't really understand Cortana in this show I don't know what she wants I don't really know what her goals are and I don't know how it informs the decisions that she makes like if we can all the time if I for people who haven't seen the show she correct me if I'm wrong who holds the show she was created to eventually take over Chief's body make the ultimate Spartan right yes that is the purpose I create yeah show well I think that's what Halsey wanted but Cortana kind of she's like her own agent that's part of the way yeah that's what I'm saying that's what she was created to do and she eventually decides she doesn't want to but then funnily enough ends up doing exactly that by the end yes yeah he does do that in the end I guess it's just like she's in the show but she doesn't really you don't get the impression that she's actually like curious about anything or wanting to actively participate in things keeping on what's going on talk to Chief and get to know him like she says she wants to she doesn't seem to have any goals at all she exists only when she is needed by the plot and that's really lame since this is like a dynamic that's incredibly useful narratively and I was thinking about this the other day you've got the scene up where you know she basically makes the choice to take control wouldn't have been interesting hold on I wrote this down let me remember because I remember I was thinking yeah like wouldn't it have been interesting if chief because after Mac he's dead he's the only one that he knows of who can interact with for runner artifacts imagine if he's like now I'm going to kill myself nobody can use these I'm going to I'm going to kill myself like because they're overrun they're going to die anyway so or like he doesn't want to be captured so he'll make sure that he kills himself and then Cortana makes the choice to take over against his wishes to save his life and to retrieve the artifacts wouldn't that be an interesting source of conflict that you just kind of didn't use certainly better because as it stands I've talked to a couple people about this including of course when me and free and rise washed it this is a little bit confusing this scene like it seems at first the it's something she can just switch on whenever she wants but then like it almost feels implied that he needs to be dead before she can do it yeah because his armor shuts down and he flat what I want to know is is is she controlling his actual corpse or she's just controlling the suit he has to be alive right but he must be alive but exact no that's a great point Mahler right because they established that in sound design right they have like a POV shot in the helmet or something and you hear like that beep beep beep so you assume that okay he's a corpse now and that's why Cortana can go in and take over a hundred percent doesn't make sense I don't know how he's going to come back from that believe it because of course they have to bring him back they can't leave the guy dead they have well they have to bring him back too but also like mechanically you're in his brain like if he's dead what can you do he's dead he has no circulation he has no blood flow you're in his brain you were linked to his brain if he's dead you're dead right maybe she's doing it manually to keep him semi-alive until maybe season two I don't know why you were dead I don't know why he would need to be killed gentlemen it's it's been a pleasure I do have to get going oh dear well do you have any final final thought that you want to add like if there's anything that you wanted to throw in before you head off about the show hmm well despite all the crap we've talked I feel like there are some aspects that are good if not alright and I think a lot of the art style on certain pieces of like like chief's armor looks really good to me I think some of the some of the warthogs and like the marine outfits I feel like the costume designers did a pretty good good job yeah overall and I think there's there's definitely an art style to the show even if some parts of it are like really weird but yeah I think it you know we get wrapped up in like the negative critiques and just kind of go down that rabbit hole but sometimes it's nice to find good things to say about something that we really really don't like overall we do there were things I liked about it too yeah yeah um no I I could see that that's actually pretty common these days I find that um it's the writing that's the problem everything else is lots to complement it's like yeah that old chest people working really hard from the production standpoint in terms of the yeah the props and stuff like the props are really cool and I like that the covenant look like the covenant that's so much so much of it is in the fucking writing it's like frustrating when they don't pay close enough attention to that you know or they just get amateurs to do it like yeah yeah it all hinges on the writing yeah but yeah it's been a pleasure thank you guys for having me on thanks for going on yeah thank you so much for coming um do you want to tell all the people in the audience where they can where they can find you and why they should subscribe yeah you can subscribe to the act man for all kinds of awesome content do all sorts of video game reviews commentary critiques that sort of thing so just look it up if you care to check it out if you've enjoyed his commentary on halo he's got plenty more on his channel oh yes I have it right right too much haha well yeah yeah like I said link is in the description for anybody looking for that and thank you so much for joining us especially for three whole hours that is actually oh yeah for a yeah a lot of people so I appreciate it and and yeah of course have a good night and we'll catch you around sometime all right good talk to act man yeah I'll add you guys on discord if you want to chat in the future or just miss cool shit vice versa I know I'm in all right peace see a lot of dirt yeah later that that finale scene that I just remembered remember part where it's like the profit commands that because McKee is dead that they can't kill chief because they need him and then the brute proceeds to kill him like yeah just man haha I forgot about that yeah and yeah and even the profits like what are you doing and I'm just like why are you why are you portraying them this way speaking of what are you doing um Kai or Vannick they're right there kill him they're the profits isn't the leaders of the whole covered it kill him they're right there what they do in having the fucking profits floating right above them someone said to chat the British atrox it's like yes definitely that's what they're trying to set up they're trying to set up a big beef with atrox and like facing I that annoys me actually it's like yes we at 343 must have our atriox dude not Arbiter or the ship master or or um time damn it let's in two hello to Tartarus that's right Tartarus yeah we can't have any of those guys it's got to be atriox our our OC character our original character character right the new big bad brute well yeah he is the new big bad brute even though he wasn't even in halo infinite right it was just flashbacks oh yeah I guess he isn't in like any game like present day gameplay man just to highlight people though because I got a good shot of it the demon lives says the profits that are floating literally like seven meters above the Spartans wow yeah like man one and this is the thing Cortana could literally have just killed them both one shot each yes Cortana had no reason not to be able to dude she could have single-handedly ended the whole like exactly like I I I unless this is halo wars mode where the profits have little shields that can tank a shit ton but that they have their little shields but chief can fight them and then jump on and punch them in the neck totally well they didn't address any of it they they just want them there for commentary and they couldn't figure where to put them this this is I don't know they're here shut up all right and how lame is it when you think about because this is something that's absent in the show that so you may have noticed we've made a lot of comparisons to the games a lot of the reason why that's happening is not to say that like the show is worse because it is different from the games a lot of it is to highlight how there was material in the games it was really useful that was ignored one of them being all three of the profits they're ironic and like that's in their personalities truth is a liar and a very good liar his very scheming like manipulative person regret well he certainly regrets what happened to him like when he was on the ring and got turned into flood and mercy who gets put out of his misery by chief not truth when he gets infected by the flood they all have very distinctive personalities that come through in their scenes but here like they're all I wouldn't fault anybody if they didn't know what their names were and which one was whom they're very obvious in the game I was about to say I don't know which is which yeah I'm pretty sure that the main one in this show was I think the main one in the show is mercy not truth whereas like truth is the ultimate antagonist of Halo essentially but you wouldn't know it in this show so it's kind of hilarious you had more time than the games had the games only had a few hours of cut scenes and you achieved a hell of a lot less with the main antagonist series how insane is that your professional writers Joe state and was not a professional writer he was a video game developer and he did a better job yeah hell of a little better job they they all did that's the reason why it's so annoying is like a group of like video game developers none of them with professional writing credits had a much better understanding what they needed to do to create a good story I mean earlier we were talking about how like Halo one would awesome I really like because this is going to sound like a stupid comparison I know but like the I think of Halo one and two in some ways I compare them to like the first two Godfather movies where it's like the first one it was like focused like there are a lot of characters in the first one but like Michael Corleone kind of frames that whole movie but then in the second Godfather you have this juxt to position between and was this named veto Corleone in the 1900s 1910s or whatever and those two stories told back and forth they kind of inform one another dynamically as you watch the movie and they serve to both paint a broader picture of what it means to be in the case of the Godfather like what it means to be an American what it means to be an immigrant like America's this everyone was in this kind of lawless mess in the early 1900s and that eventually evolved into this society that developed into the 1950s it was much more complicated and yet the introduction of the Ricoh laws that took down the mob but anyway I'm just saying like the halo games kind of did that sort of thing where like the the first halo game is like really focused on chief and the the covenant are just like the bad guys basically in that in that game but then halo too suddenly really flashes them out into their own thing where they have their own societal structure they have their elite class who named them they give themselves quickly right yeah and what that it's it's so fucking pisses me off right because these these television showrunners I assume they didn't incorporate Arbiter in because they felt like oh nobody's gonna connect with an alien that might that might have been one of the reasons I think that's their main thought process we got to have that's why it's so human human human human everything's about human there's just no alien anything yeah and yeah and her inclusion when it's like have they not seen guardians come on yeah like at this point I would hope that we can get I mean dude 2004 on original Xbox graphics you created a character who is a hell of a lot more endearing than anybody in this show it's not the it's all about the writing it's who these characters are like that's that's the important part um yeah it's just it and you're right like Halo 2 blew the doors open on the Covenant um like Halo 2 was a really essential piece it's the reason why you can have Halo 3 come back to just like Chief's POV without feeling like you've usually lost anything in terms of the Covenant perspective because you've got it now yeah I think all you think about when you think about the games is all of these amazing opportunities that like it's it's basically the story of that guy's life where it starts at the funeral then he signs up to be an ODST jumps into battle um and then it ends with him as like a captain and then we follow that and then it's like moves on to the perspective of another new younger ODST like that's two minutes worth of just taking the premise of Halo um like using the premise to tell a story in this world and in two minutes in two minutes they achieve like an advertisement than they did in this show like in terms of well the the whole reach Halo 3 is particularly Halo 3 it really for a game that was a that was for a bunch of dude bro gamers right it really strongly leaned into the emotional aspect of Halo as like a world a living world full of people and characters who are recounting the like the Halo 3 ads about soldiers who are old now recounting the events in a documentary style of the things that happened in Halo 3 yep it's it's the little touches cause like in that ODST trailer one of the things in that that I adore it's like you didn't have to do it but you didn't just add so much is that I'm the captain he has like a a torn up like it's a really worn out ODST like flag that he laid across the grave and then he like grabs it and tucks it back in underneath his armor it's a thing that he carries around just die they can at least have that dignity it's like holy shit that's called character writing um yeah and he'd even need to say anything and then it's the same would like deliver hope that's a really great ad as well it's an ad but it's telling a story and it's like dude they had less money they had less time to be a part of this world and this whole show is entirely built to tell a story and yet this is what we got well yeah because think about all of the potential stories that you could have told you could have had it be like about the ODSTs you know you could have had the show be about ODSTs on like a mission they get stranded and they have to try and survive rescue civilians you can have a B split POV where you have like a Marine or an ODST you have somebody in the military command maybe like Lord hood or something or keys or like you can have Sergeant Johnson be a POV character and a weird omission in this show Sergeant Johnson I don't know why he's not in this show it's like one of the most whatever yeah he's arguably the best character I was going to say you can't whatever that people are going to want us to definitely mentioned that no big time like I I don't understand why you would take arguably the most important character aside from Chief Cortana and an arbiter and not have him in it weird choice I don't understand why he's not in it are they brought in keys well they brought in keys and they brought in Miranda keys but they didn't bring in Sergeant Johnson who's well they they brought them in Ray swap them which is fine but it it clearly seems like they really wanted to make very diverse story which is fine but then they didn't have Johnson who is arguably the best character in all halo and he's a black guy just seems odd to me strategically you know I that's your goal I suspect go ahead sorry not for it go for it I suspect that the reason for that is that they don't want to blow their wad completely with this first season and they want to have like those headlines that are coming gonna come out before season two comes out where it's like we've secured the cast member for this role Sergeant Johnson or whatever and now the Arbiter we got Keith David to do the voice for it right like they need you might be some they can't like shove everything into season one and leave nothing for season two to act as a hope I mean it seems so backwards it's like the Marvel thing instead of giving us something to be excited about they're saying no no no you will be excited about a thing that will happen maybe instead of giving us that thing to actually care about yeah I can already see that now like one of the later ads for season two will involve like this struggling in some fight and then they're like the sergeants here and then like a door opens and it's whoever's playing a cigarette is going yeah yeah totally I don't really get where they go from having Master Chief you know they're going to bring it back from that your shit yeah like man you kill him at the end of season one wow like I don't know I think the show might actually not have him come back because they think he's completely disappointed no no I think I think more said and I agree with them I think we'll be back at the end of episode one of season two I don't think they're going to fully commit to that because we got to have the actors face we got it well then again they could feels weird for them to have done this whole season because the actress can still be present that's true yeah well so we need to have the actors face and I think they were deliberate in not showing us what it looks like for Cortana to make him speak what does that sound like what does it look like we leave that because yeah because they can they can figure out exactly what they want to do I assume it would just sound like him well it's it's going to be strange just because of the fact that it's not going to I say this is if I'm a fan of him as a character or something but like it's going to be her speaking through him so it should like come across as much different if they were treating this seriously like just the things he chooses to say or how he says certain things and how he inflect certain things like it should all be like coated with Cortana the thing is I don't know either of them that well enough to even spot necessary differences but I just don't think that they would commit to this she's more quirky than he is and fun I would assume that instead that they will bring him back and just work again I think that that's more important and that this will be a moment for them to have proven that she can trust him and he can trust her sort of thing which yeah I don't know why they put him in in his head I feel like there's a lot less and having him in his head then having her on a chip put into computers and stuff that right that's all it needed to be was a chip that goes into the helmet I don't understand the fucking brain injection thing and I don't understand why a clone had to be sacrificed to create that AI either again. No, that's that's that a very well could be the case that it's because that's how Cortana was created in the games as she's based on Halsey's cloned mine no no sorry that there's the show's opinion is not mine oh yeah I get you but but to touch the reason why they don't have him on a her on a chip is because he takes his helmet off all the time so wouldn't work and they wanted to have Cortana constantly be physically seen they they really don't even justify that though like you just blew my mind that that totally makes sense to me because like yeah like they have the character take his helmet off so much but they don't want to restrict Cortana to just which is parts where his helmet is on because it doesn't happen often enough what that makes so much sense but it sucks but it makes so much sense but it makes so much sense but it sucks but it makes so much but it makes so much sense but it's but it's but it's do so such a waste right like she barely gets speak she barely has a role in the story at all which again I know it's an adaptation I guess it's just an interesting choice to have essentially the due to Raganus of the whole series be like a non character like she's so unimportant but she comes off as annoying a lot of the time which I didn't want to feel that way you know it's so reminded me of Alexa and self parking you know that new episodes where it's in the future yeah she's she's definitely not the same because in the game she's sarcastic she's right she's um yeah she's got a whole personality not here she's confident and very confident and and a bit sassy that's like Cortana the weapon she's a little like Halsey in a way well that's kind of the point writers like she's a bit like Halsey because she is partly Halsey but I mean I don't I don't and I guess that's the thing is if she's based on your cloned brain why is she so different from you yeah I don't get it yeah her going rogue doesn't there's nothing to that in the content like in terms of just us seeing that's a potential some freak occurrence I suppose and the transferance of like a human consciousness transferring to a digital form is it I guess the way they deliver it to us is so wishy washy that just anything could have happened and we'd be like okay yeah right that's kind of like the show anything can happen that's okay it's you just got to accept man like I'm just thinking now as I was scrolling through my notes the keystone what the hell does it even do what is it you know like accesses childhood memories do you mean whatever it means an axe an unlocked memories it provides a map it emits EMPs and also myths a now you've got to up define a convenient shock wave to blow away yeah you know you'll just see a little blast people around sometimes it won't sometimes we're like electronics sometimes it won't here's something really funny to think about what if that's just what it was going to do anyway and they didn't know and then when they were doing the ceremony it's like yes touch the keystone and then she touches it and all the the elites get flung off the cliff yeah just dude and that finale scene was so funny like when McKee right they get blown away but not to such a degree that they get blown off the platform but all the elites get blown off like though the hundreds of aliens that came in to like attack this part they'll get blown off so it was like the screen rider taking a like a brush and dust pan and going okay we don't need you anymore like they're in go away please need you to be gone for a little bit go away was that McKee's intention I I I don't remember because she's watching master chief get beaten up and she's like I can't take this anymore but like as if to say I'm going to help you or something I I don't how would she know that was what it does I don't this is what I'm saying visual storytelling you're making this weird for me to try and understand what's happening because it looks to me like she desperately has to decide in that moment do I pit choose to help John do I choose to help humanity and then she does making her death tragic quote what it would do if she touched it I don't I don't think so I guess I don't know why she would but fortunately and I guess a good thing as well that the brute didn't just kill chief like immediately oh yeah there's a lot of right now like yeah I'm going to get to chief one but I am before chief can next pillars because the other thing as well maybe you can help me on this because I remember was talking about it and I was still kind of confused it's only works for those too but if Cortana takes over Halo Taylor's body what is it like what is it like all those moms yeah sorry because Halo on the cover because it gets on the Halo Halo's my favorite character Halo is a great character it makes it so that it doesn't activate the thing if if she's controlling them right yeah for whatever reason when Cortana is essentially the consciousness in charge it doesn't work now that's interesting to think about when it is a protein in their DNA that makes that interact with artifact you think it would be an immutable aspect protein but apparently it's like I don't know the four now that this leads us comfortably into an interesting some yeah because the other thing I wanted to add to that was then that he's able to to activate with gloves on right he is and so he does that the games too that's not that's not that well I don't care right like like why would it distinguish between whether or not he's being controlled by a person when it doesn't distinguish like fabrics and stuff like so could he's touch it with a stick and that would you know I have no idea I just want to the suit we're integrated with him biologically I guess I could accept it but I just don't know how the mechanics work at all the fact that it like detects your soul or something as to who is in control currently like I don't know that seems a bit weird it's that that shift from the for runner in like and this is a comparison to the games but in the games you always got the sense that the for runners were not magicians they weren't magical they just had a highly advanced technology and in this show it really does seem like it it really is just sort of magic well I mean that's that's the reason why I was thinking about this next part is because it's some feels like another example of making changes without realizing what you've done so like in the games again would do the comparison of what it was in the games the for runners didn't like really before 343 came along the for runners never like intended for anybody to be like using the halos and stuff after the fact that's just kind of like just it just it's just a consequence humans are still around so they can but they didn't like leave them there with like the purpose of humans coming along to mess with it because the halos don't really have their purposes a weapon of last resort there's not there's nothing magical or important religiously about them they are weapons they are tools so people being able to interact with them is when a machine is left around it it still works if it's got power and a key then it will work it's a machine what I understand about the halo installations is that they were created by the for runners for the purpose of studying the flood so the flood was a pre-existing life form the halos are used as a way of containing them and studying them but then as a last resort if the flood that the halo halo installations would also serve that function of doing a the blast or whatever it does to eliminate all life to eliminate their food source that's right yeah so that that's that's essentially what it is it's kind of the whole idea is that for as mysterious and interesting as the for runners come across to humanity and the Covenant they died they died fighting flood they couldn't beat them there's nothing there's nothing grand about it it's tragic in a sense if the show has it to where there are individuals who have a protein in them or like some connection to for runner stuff that leads them and guides them apparently to do things like to to lead to a certain place why why why would that be the case why would the for run this is the problem is we don't have the answer now but if the show is going to pull from the games that the flood that hail is a weapon to kill or sentient life and it was to kill the flood you will need to have a reason for why the for runners would have people who are essentially selected to be able to interact with these things and to one end why that's it why why would you want to have a reason because it seems kind of intuitive as it's presented so far well what I'm saying is like why would the for runners want anybody to be guided to halo like why would they want that um right goal that they would have if if the for runners succeeded in their mission that's the end there is no more further purpose for the rings um so why would you leave behind anything that would be like clues to lead people there and guide them through like these subtle things and teleport their minds to the ring why would you do that um yeah and this this this might be a problem that lies with the initial development of the game story the TV show because it was designed to be a game first and foremost right and like Joe Staten self-describes himself as the story duct tape guy who just kind of figures out a story that kind of tapes all the different game systems together they developed to make a fun first-person shooter and then you have this television series crew coming along saying we're going to make a serious thing out of this let's okay a real serious thing that's that's power of adaptation though they can they can clean it all up they have the source and they can be like right wherever you failed and especially in relation to having to cause mechanics gameplay to happen we can change it we have the benefit of being able to see how you managed to dry write all your story and if there's like well-known within the fan base like these couple of holes or things that don't quite add up you as a writer can be like we can we can tweak all of them well before we put ourselves in a corner instead they have like spat on the source to the point of not even knowing which way they're facing anymore like who knows where the show is actually trying to go it's insane to think about that with a video game you have to write a story around missions the missions exist and they are structured in a certain way and you have to craft the story for those missions to work in a show you don't have to worry about missions you don't need action scenes every episode you can do whatever you want and yeah you've you've come across I just do not understand like how any of this is meant to be leading that makes sense I can't I can't make sense of it because it would seem that like the keystones are essentially the force they like guide people to places they need to be but I don't know how that would explain why you know like they do with the plot demands yeah I know you mean you're right well it's just it's just because it draws us back to if the keystones guide it's like they guide chiefs family to settle on a riddeness to in that location they guide the program to happen there because that planet was uninhabited what if they'd settled like elsewhere what if they'd settled even a couple of kilometers in a different direction did a guide holds it to abduct chief put him in the Spartan program to guide him to do the mission on Madrigal and to what end would it do all of these things who is doing this and if there is a who who is guiding all of this why would they not just reveal themselves like unless we're doing some crazy mysterious forerunner but I don't believe they'll do that I bet you they will do exactly what the games did they go to Halo and they find out that's a weapon and if that's the case it's like I don't understand why would you why would it guide why would it guide people to their self-destruction the weapons were a last resort they're not an awesome thing that you would want people to have access to especially if you believe after you've done it that nobody will be able to use these things anymore the people who were capable of using these things would be wiped out I don't understand how it can work yeah that guy dug a well where a portal was instead of where it was just dirt I would be as far as she saves the universe by the time we hit like season three if there is one we might because there's probably going to be some connection with her to like the four runners as well and it's not going to make any I mean I would have had faith in the original game developers to go somewhere with it but I have no faith in these television co-runners to do that you know yes something I would say is I find it to be a less interesting idea again like grand science fiction prophecies versus the cold reality that for as impressive as the four runners were they couldn't beat the flood and this killed them I think that's a really stark reality of this situation like the universe I like that magical it's it's scary there's a lot of scary things out there and so like it establishes pretty clearly if the four runners couldn't beat them what chance does humanity have well Master Chief is going to do his best to save him through these crazy plans and then he has to account this to happen because he's got his own objectives I just I just prefer it I think that it's more interesting than what they had here it's like you've taken something that was cool and you made it much more simple yeah I don't I don't know what the show is doing with halo like the installation well there's multiple installations there's like seven of them they're all controlled by the central point which is the art right yeah and hasn't referenced at all the flood or it's only ever shown halo in those weird flashbacks or I don't know they're not flashbacks but like visions I guess where it's him shared visions not it yeah there they are shared visions where it transports your consciousness to like some place else because other people can be a part of it yeah as the real I feel like they're they're doing some Adam and Eve sort of thing where like master chief and mckay are on this halo and they're meant to just go forth and multiply or something and like populate halo that seems to be the implication to me of like yeah I don't know what their the point of the visions is trying to get them to do I worry yeah it might be as simple as the show just feel like isn't this romantic all these two men for each other how tragic that they can't be with each other it's like it's like it's like it's like the same coin you see that voice robbed of that childhood whatever side thereon you see yeah because I know what I'm robbed of my childhood whenever I see another person who's robbed of their childhood I I just I really just have an uncontrollable urge to fuck them with your with your on-board AI watching why did I know yeah I get harder when people watch yeah why would they have this Cortana watching for what they think because she can't not watch she can't turn herself off like has there been this too but like a show that's most of its marketing is done by people just going this this this this and everyone else going no no that didn't happen you're like I did they wouldn't do that that's a joke you're you're that's a lie you're lying to me yeah I I feel like you've just raised it again but I feel like it has to be stressed so the reason why Mackie so what happens is thereon aridness to when she touches the artifact like reveals a location of the artifact I guess beams into Mackie's head I don't know what that would mean does she have an intuition of where he is in all of space on a planet and it's how does that information how how can that information be imparted into a human in a way that they can understand and if so why the same way that humans just magically can know the covenant language if they need to for the plot but well yeah and then and then the the the covenant come in they get the artifact but then they want to do a switch just like ah she had her as a captive like to try and drop her off so she can get informational access to the second keystone that's their plan and it works bafflingly but the reason why ironically it makes the covenant seems super competent because they have to know that the unse is that incompetent it will work yeah in a sense I would argue that they both retarded right like why would the covenant ever think that would work I was making like a joke out of the the absurdity of it no because there is a validity and say that to anticipate that the unse would actually engage on this level but it never made a sense like nobody would ever assume anything like that I think we talked about when the episode came up we were talking about how if enemy prisoner was just landed in front of you had been there since they were a kid it's like yeah but they're human it's like so yeah who has lived with the covenant for years and you think that they're not a spy that they why would she be dropped off why is she still alive why wouldn't they have killed her why would you ever trust her with anything least of all after a couple of days of her being in your custody why do you have no cameras in a room you know like why cameras in a room no cameras in the room nothing's recorded the fact that humans particularly stupid plan is it's outright bizarre because you're just screaming at these characters the entire time at how dumb they are and how none of this makes any sense yeah because there was to be fair none of them would have been able to the foresee all those tentacle monsters that she brings out of nowhere that are completely unstoppable and then they don't show up again never showed up oh yeah when she walks down the hallway they all have their guns here there's those tentacle monsters who sort of put them on that puts their why didn't they put some soldiers on the pod they sent over they're like we're sending over some guys because if they did that it would have been over why they know cameras inside the pod that could have detected all that why would you let her get on on her own not a fan of Maki at all not a surprise but I the fact that we went with they actually just seem to think she's a nerd slash to be trusted immediately as opposed to all of them just despise automatically and don't trust it at all but in reality because we know because we're the audience that she's actually like kind of torn between the Covenant and humanity and that this was in in one way an escape plan finally to engage with because she believed the Covenant might actually allow this to happen and then she could be like um you know trying to actually gain the humans trust and try and give them information that could be helpful but never get in there and then maybe one person like chief could actually understand it to some degree but still not fuck her or give a great access to all kinds of technology or whatever else like it's just that this is a story you could try and write from this but instead like they don't even find a stupid finger laser thing like how how well remember there's a part where um when chief decides to go and activate the keystone she's about to like flat out execute like one of the are she pushed over one of the UNSC people and she brought out a little laser sword if he hadn't touched that artifact five seconds if he touched like five 10 seconds later she would have killed them or they would have spotted that she would have been compromised and that would have been the end unfortunately chief was there to bail her out through sheer coincidence this show is awful guys it hangs together on put the laser sword out on a dog she did fortunately no one was looking pulls it out all the dogs can sense evil I'm telling at the end she pulls it out of her finger I'm going to remember this in yeah dog box oh yeah that's right the dog knew she was an evil bitch that's going to destroy the world oh yeah why isn't it just cold new Alexandria why is it cold reached it reached it why would you when you live earth city yeah I feel like they the the UNSC should have found that little finger sword thing in their initial capture of her and like I feel like they would have done an x-ray on her or something because she's an alien yeah because this whole situation is super fucked and stupid yeah they wouldn't have taken any like leave no stone on turn sort of thing who's really like let's make sure she's not hiding anything he's walking her around at one point in like episode eight is it and we we're just baffled that he's allowed to do this around the city yeah yeah yeah right and even power and goss is like they're like walking around in the park this is insane and then later on when he's like hey let her touch the artifact yeah he's like wait they're going to let you they're going to let me use it and he says they trust me and I trust you it's like so they don't trust you you try to you you are erratic but you feel crazy you try to kill Halsey um you you are doing a lot of things that like they don't trust you anymore and I don't know why she trusts her either it's like oh she's being honest with me it's like why would why why why believe that she's being honest with you you just determine this this is what I mean like she's so simpy she's chief's history of being like a really good interrogator which is what they say in the show he's a really good interrogator it's like what just because he removed the chip from his back that's gone isn't is intuition and capacity to understand like whether or not she's lying or not is gone wrong for me I think the show perspective is that he's correct she was to be trusted until humanity ruined it yeah yeah but I think that is what the show thinks that that he was because the show has a perspective on everything all contorts to the whims of the writers yeah going back to that like I wish I could have attended that meeting between three for three and the show runners right where it's just like three for three would have been like okay here's our lore here's the story that we've established and yeah here you go and then the show runners like yeah we're not doing any of that I want to see that particular composition where they're like so we we found about the sex scene we'd appreciate that you don't you don't really do that with chief and then they're like no we're doing it yeah because I saw someone say that like three for three we're opposed to that civically let me let me see if I can find it I I not only find it like I'm using but they probably would have had a logic of like we need to have a sex scene at least one the people who like the show can't relate to a sex scene oh wow that's that's the idea I think they only throw the one in to be like look this could be you someday wow no they'll that'll never be then it's wish fulfillment right that is strange though in terms of a like they really wanted to make a covenant but a human so that she could have sex with master chief or this version of master chief like it's it really it's really strange fanfic that somehow got millions of dollars thrown at it dude Das was a chat earlier saying that he'd only heard the rumors he hadn't seen any of the context so he thought the master chief fucked like an elite or something I would have preferred that I want master chief in our beer to have some bro sex this is the custom on saying Helios I promise the totally that would have been great one of the small things I appreciated about the the finale was that they revealed that they were in fact using her like they didn't care about her at all like that the at the in the pilot episode where they introduce her like in that white room and they seem to like be treating her with all this like prestige and stuff it's like why is there a fucking human among their ranks like we just saw the covenant try to execute all humans mercilessly like where we get the feeling that the aliens hate the humans they're trying to exterminate them but there's just one human among them that's like hey I'm just hanging out here right because this weird to think about it's like she has information they want to make use of and they want to use their ability to touch the stuff and make stuff happen so they treat her really well it's like well they could have just had her in slave mode where they were threatened to torture her if she doesn't do exactly as they say which seems great point yeah seems like it would be more in line with what we discover about them and that's what everyone was panicking about all over the fucking internet when they found out like a high ranking member of the Covenant was a human it was like Jesus Christ what have you done this like by the end of the show they're like no no no no they hear they do hear they do they do I swear it's like all right still seems that it's just weird all things strange great point why go to the extra lengths of treating her like a queen almost when they could just keep her in a cell or whatever I couldn't remember who brought it up earlier but surely would be a horrible sign to the Covenant forces if ever they saw that like with what they believe in yeah it just contradicts the religion because the whole idea is it's conspiracy in the games nobody actually knows the proof so it's a lot easier to hide it and you don't need a specific individuals like you just be any human to get them to do that for you yeah it just becomes a lot easier to conceal it then it does in the show because in the show it brings the whole religion it's a question like what the why are all the blessed once humans why why is are the human you know why isn't are the Covenant why isn't or yeah it's right how she's she's so I know why would you let her go out on the you know like threatening missions yeah that was done that's insanely stupid with how important you know she is and how it's like one in 500 million or so is the person you need that you just go on and it's it's insane it is it is absolutely insane crazy everyone in the show is an idiot crazy to know that they did all of that because all those contradictions and contrivances it's all to make the romance plot that is actually pathetic it's so short too yeah listen I'm saying like there's nothing between those two what do they love about each other they don't know anything about each other exactly they've they're blind no but he he brought her the book remember it bring her the book because she reads books both brain and wash that's that that leads directly into the sex scene that's the catalyst for that is the bringing the fucking book into the room I just as I was scrolling through my notes I remember I had a whole page on how the battle in episode five makes no sense at all man it's like oh I remember there was a part there was a there was a scene when the Spartans they were explaining their backstory and how that's like kill their pets and Vanix says something along the lines of yeah Spartans studied wolf packs we stick together and look out for one another yet when he wants to save Kai that's like off mission and not allowed and they don't care yeah kind of interesting yeah don't learn anything about any anything really we see no we don't well you see here as a white maybe it might be a good idea to actually like move hip to the to the excavation site rather then drive the car through enemy line to get to the ship on the bridge you know like man make a lot of logistical cringe in this fight I mean it's and also it's like show is logistical cringe and here's the thing anything happen is on a number of different levels yeah well we see the ship's getting blown up is it safer to get it to the ship really might be better to just leave it in the site and defend the site as best you can because well then she's all over the place with what we know I think that's the first question and just destroy everything and it's like well you find out maybe it's because the fact they want to plant McKee you're like okay you can do that while also destroying the command center and taking out their leaders on this planet that's true because they are shockingly able to kill like an entire like human um they take down a frigate yeah they take down a frigate with what we are led to believe is only banshees which is impressive I think we have to assume that the carrier did it because she's had the capacity to do that I don't know I guess the show runner they don't know that because they we don't know because of the show right we don't know that because of the show man like I don't know why it's pretty funny that the Spartans choose to run alongside the guys like faring the artifact instead of taking multiple multiple Warthogs you know like if the Spartans were in the Warthog a different Warthog they could help them out but instead they're just running around the Marines just get wiped off the Warthog on the all the Spartans get onto it isn't that what happens anyway that's what happens yeah so I guess it was just so that we could see one of them get killed with the needler and then see a hijacking because that's in the games true it would be cool to see the Marines do anything just like competent like yeah I mean yeah it's it's become very clear that that's just not a focus for this whole season the Marines are barely people they're barely in it there's like the show relies on them not being present in the one place that it should be just brimming full with Marines they just never around that's the only battle with the Covenant that has Marines the first one is just the Spartans and the last one is just the Spartans that's it there's only three fights with the Covenant there are more fights with humans and there are with other more yeah I think there are more fights with humans and there are with the Covenant because Marines can fight the Covenant like they they can have guns they could do things they could fight enemies the the Covenant are not some invincible force on the ground well humans can fight against them isn't it a funny little contradiction in this show that like humans are utterly worthless on the ground when fighting the Covenant yet the Covenant aren't that big of a threat in the world like seemingly with how the world responds to them ain't that interesting kind of just bad writing really isn't it oh and then you have like the part when they when he jumps off to try and save Kai and he jumps onto a Banshee that's flying past it's like was a minute a second earlier or lady you would have just fallen off the cliff and crashed into the ground yeah that's pretty funny and then of course flying it directly into the Phantom really you're dead it's over like you're done I don't believe you survived that and between those two things he like jumps on the Banshee and he pulls out his pistol and he shoots a few rounds into it but there's no bullet holes there's no sparks it's like it's just it's just pretty bad it's just pulling out his gun and shooting because it looks cool like it doesn't look about it looks really bad looks really also by the way they're right she said there's not much go past episode one you're you're wrong that's a lot of gore in this show a lot persistent I just showed what he explodes from the need there's a big red piss cloud well that was like I left out loud at that it does the only two things I like really remember I well I guess you don't you don't remember an episode like I guess that yeah is also like when cheap crashes the phantom the jackals are like split in half their guts trailing out from there and some vomit one of them vomit or something like does it I I yeah there's a lot of gore in this show I was actually surprised when you said there was and it's like dude if there's anything out of it just stuck with me in my mind right yeah it's not really out of it I can't think of it myself to be fair all I'll say is it might in frequency it might be higher than ragstall but like man is it like there's so much there's so many condensed there's so much so many stretches of not gore if you know what I mean yeah right that might be why it's just so much the action scenes there's so few of them yeah yeah well and I'm okay with there being like few action scenes that's okay if there was a tradeoff of a story telling and other scenes but there isn't so this is all I want is them to fight that there was a persistent feeling while watching the show where are the aliens I want to see aliens when I want to see chief fight aliens where are they the the entire reason they don't get the artifact back is a banshee just happens to fall on them to them and not so that's not even like a deliberate like kamikaze right that's just the banshee just falls on them I think it was getting shot and then it crashed into them yeah it's a fucking crash that's lame look at that you suck how unlucky because they would have had the they were right next to where they wanted to be would have been good of Cortana hit the breaks since she has remote access to any vehicle that she needs dude this this this bottom should be able to react fast enough to do that like to see the thing they were right there and the only reason this happened is so that a tree ox or whatever could grab it and then we lose it yeah we need a act low point kind of even though it's so bad in regard to the neglect of the aliens overall in this show there was one scene that felt like or no one shot that felt like such a middle finger like we haven't even talked about venture and how fucking and one-dimensional terrible bad yeah talk about one at all yeah of course we haven't talked about oh let me you're right we've just like totally skipped over her entire existence in this show thanks let me just button up this shot that I'm getting at though where there's a low-angle shot there's a there's a elites corpse in the foreground venture venture is smoking a cigar and he stops and he looks down it's like those the aliens huh hmm ugly boss that's and then that's a shot and then he takes a puff and he walks away and it's it's as if to say like oh there's that more interesting enemy than I am but whatever here you go audience here's me and my humans and we're all one-dimensional cardboard fucking villains like it abuses me because like when you said venture I was like is that the black guy or is that the evil guy or is the because I can't remember the fucking names is the evil British I'm so glad because yeah I also wrote that whole action scene oh my god yeah like we need to talk about this action scene so essentially what happens is Quan she goes to the mystics off to she abandoned Soren who to light out like rides into a desert cloud just meets the desert this she what the fuck she wants to go back to Madrigal to like do the the to have the insurgency to to continue the revolution and Soren takes her there in exchange for money he gets neither hit not he gets no money his ship gets just like impounded and and seized and despite that he still doesn't capture the bounty on her he decides yeah we're going to get the offworld we're going to go back to the rubble and she zaps him and then leaves him there in the desert and then she goes off on her own adventure and then she finds the desert mystics who then give her all that for on a flashback stuff and then she's told to go back to her it began now that can mean a lot of things but she assumes correctly that it means go back to you know her outpost where she'd live and so she goes back to her outpost and she's walking around and then like Soren shows up there Kwan I'm I'm I'm I'm going to take you back to the rubble now fortunately he showed up then because a few minutes later Vinces men showed up so dumb had he turned up a day later or even an hour later Kwan would have been killed so and also one even tell both of them should have been dead no matter what with this well they should have been but it's just let's just lay it out they like like did Kwan even tell Soren like where she'd lived like did she did he know that information he tracked because she has this revolver and that's not even something that's in the show but let's just pretend that's what it was there you go and then you have look at all of Vinces men there's like 50 of them and there's no way they can win this it's like like if I could get a shot of it because like I I kept repeating when we watched it because I couldn't fucking believe it but this is like the most video game seen ever they're in this like our characters are just like sort of discussing and figuring out what they're doing then we just sort of realized oh we're in an arena with lots of cover in different places resources in different places and an overall goal of blowing up like a tanker thing but to get there we're going to have to put ourselves at risk at rounds literal rounds of enemies it's like you know you have a selection of the worst format of the enemies first and you can take out most of them but then you know as it gradually goes on your health buzz getting lower I was just like what is this this is so stupid it's like splinter cell slash call of duty sequence has a kind of arena wave combat you know where they come in waves he's doing the thing I know how many games of you guys played where like a bad guy locks you in an area and then commentates like the arena shooting you're doing is just like oh you're still surviving are you take that like you're my I think the latest one might be heisenberg from um Resident Evil Village do you remember he's like commentating you running through the were wolf like underground pit thing that he's it's that it's that shit I was like what is this cartoon shit just kill them no we've got to have so to have the big action scene was so the big the big thing that you all need to understand is there's like a hydrogen runs through like this um this this big pipe in the middle that's like the water extraction thing and Kwan says we can have the hydrogen through there and then if we like shoot it it'll blow up the whole place and we can hide in a little vaults seems like a big design oversight you can hydrogen tank and blow up the whole place but whatever not just the whole place the whole place extending in an area up to space alright is like a chain reaction it's there's a space elevator tube thing that leads to space and you can shoot it with a bullet in the entire thing from top to bottom were lead to believe explodes in a catastrophic fireball that rains shrapnel and mechanical parts from the heavens yeah they forget about very quickly remember when I hide in the vault which has a bunch of open windows slats in it with a fireball to cook them alive anyway the whole wall we'll get to that so every every single note I've written for this sequence begins with good thing with reference to how fortunate the circumstances are for Quan and Soren like good thing Soren found a bunch of money in the control room otherwise he would have like gone home empty handed that's awesome that there was so much deteriorate money there in the in that room for him and then when Vinces men shoot into the control room man good thing none of them like throw a grenade in there otherwise you guys be dead huh yep um it's also a really good thing that even though you guys are stuck in that room Vinces forces just like slowly fan out and go through tight corridors instead of staying out in wide open spaces to keep track track single units most like get killed one at a time formation good thing and they never communicated via radio like man if they were even marginally competent these guys be dead be over they'd be finished um I mean like damn good like as if just walking through it's like damn it's so good that you're all coming through slowly so that Soren can just kill look at that look at this didn't even this looks so choreographed and I know how that sounds but bear with me because one is he throwing knife sim and seemingly the plan is to just go up to him and finish him off like okay but then it's like nope there's another guy to the right that he couldn't possibly have seen is now counting for and there's another guy to the left that's now just spawned but he's going to use the gun from the guy on the right to kill like shoot the guy on the left and hit him it's like how did you know that all this was going to happen what why are they running at you why is he running towards you you have a gun stay far away and shoot him be so cool it takes out all three of them he does and there's lots of is accuracy is very inconsistent in this show all while all that's happening quanz she's in the underground tunnel that leads up to the the pipe and so she she gets out of the underground tunnel it's like man lucky no one saw you leave even though the doorway was soaked in some light like if you opened up and there was someone in front of you they would have just killed you cool there's one no one on the the three you didn't pick up any of the the vectors when he no oh yes he forgot to pick up their guns yes he has a revolver that's good enough not like those guns could be useful well the thing is one leaves the underground tunnel even though it's in the broad daylight and then one of Vinch's men's like haha got you but fortunately for her Soren was in he could see that he he had sightlines on it and so he could save her like if he was elsewhere she would have been dead or at the very least captured it's like damn lucky like he really relies on that revolver it's so weird I like how one guy notices her and doesn't call out to like his buddies none of them call out haha that she's the target the person that we're trying to capture and kill but no fortunately he he he doesn't do that and then he Soren kills that guy awesome yeah there it is look at him so awesome look at him look I'm get honestly I've been scanning through and I'm confused as the fucking chronology of this scene but it doesn't matter anyway because I I hated the part where he just runs out into the open Soren well yeah cause Soren runs out into the open and Oh but this is you there's a part where Quan like there's a plasma grenade next to her and then she sticks into a gun and blows him up it's like man good thing you know what that is and how it works yeah which you'd be like why would she did they have a moment with that in the first episode where she saw it being used or something maybe but I mean I feel like that's it's an alien grenade like yeah you know like I guess it is good that you know how it works and then and then like yes Soren is running around in the open and um he he got shot in the neck and it doesn't kill him he's fine like I I think we thought he was dead and we were kind of nervous because he's like the only character in this show that I kind of like I consider him interesting I guess compared to the rest just because he's a bit of a mix and yeah like so there's just a level but you're right yeah the neck is not that important I would say by all by a logic like it's not like there's really important veins and air airways it's not like being shot in the hand for example where there's an instant death like the that's different is when it's in the neck to put a bandage on but then he doesn't die and then meanwhile like Vinch is doing his evil speech like where are you Kwan like show yourself but fortunately you remember an episode one when chief threw down his big yeah a battle rifle or rifle throws down his little CGI which by the way is the answer is the answer for why we got that shitty shot that everyone complaining about exactly yeah we're going back and truck which he through his AR even though I'm pretty sure he didn't throw it underneath the truck I'm pretty sure he threw it out the open I got kicked over there okay but I know one no it was a grunt kicked it but it's underneath the truck where Kwan had hidden but man if she'd hidden anywhere else she would have had no weapon and she wouldn't been able to win but then she strides out into the open with the AR and good thing like Vincher and none of his men shoot her while she's crawling out which totally good thing Kwan is an incredible shot like hits a small distant target with one bullet and a first shot on a weapon she's never held before that doesn't even have a scope because it links to the like man crazy Wow like yeah yeah look at how awkward she is holding this thing like good luck love like she up but then she hits it and then they run into but the massive explosion the flames go through the door like the vents the doors but it doesn't do anything but that's the end of Vincher that's that's the end of everybody she she killed them all by shooting that little tank and running in and then look at that look at that explosion it's so big is yeah pretty intense yeah so what we have here basically is a whole sequence that is entirely built on coincidence and contrivance it's insane yeah the only reason that they survive is because of this insane levels of luck well the vent was an it slowed down the fireball just enough to where like it could get through but it slowed it down enough so they're okay so weird that they have this shot where they show the fire just engulfed their rooms like why would you show us that like yeah how are you not dead not just have it be a sealed door you just you have afforded door sort of a vault with vents well presumably they thought it was more intense to show us like oh did they live did they live did they no no no wait the reason why they had vents was because that was the door that the guy tried to run that was where the kids were hiding where the guy tried to run in and then he's like help me help me and then he gets stabbed you can still just make it so that you can close the vents like as a writer you can do what you want they didn't even have to go in the same I'm saying that's what the writers wanted and then well I'm arguing that I think the writers wanted to debate whether or not they may have made it you don't know they got engulfed in flames feel I think you're exactly right Moller because they establish in dialogue from Quan that the vault is a safe zone you know once they're in there the audience can reliably be like okay they're fine once if they're in that room but then they add that shot filling it with flames it's like oh maybe they're not safe ah and then they go they got to wait for the the explosion to play out and wait for the smoke in the dust to die down and then you have that reveal shot for it's like oh they're alive because they rightfully assume everyone is just on the edge of their seats for these two characters these the these lads off hope they're okay yeah hope they make it right and what what made me laugh out loud the most about this scene definitely was that assault rifle reveal because why that shot was there in the pilot which was famously seemed out of place like I I know a lot lot of YouTube critics like criticizing the show we're like why the fuck is that shot there yeah George Lucas lightsaber moment it is an unnecessary shot but I like oh yeah exactly because what I thought it was is like here's here's the halo assault rifle remember this from the games and it's like that's the reason they included that shot that's fucking dumb but then it's like this is almost dumber because it's like one and she left the lines the original vision probably just had him tossing it and then they were like do you think people will remember that he tossed if we don't have another shot to show where it landed and someone was like this show has no faith in you yeah well just that it that depends I would say whether or not on whether the the shot in the pilot had the number one one seven etched on the assault rifle I don't I don't remember if that was I was about I was about to bring that up it seems really silly that this one gun has his his one one seven like engraved on it yeah he would just use a normal one like they have vanity guns for each soldier are you fucking he unlocked it he unlocked that he got a hundred fills with his assault rifle so we unlocked it some reason like 343 really like having the number one one seven on everything um it's really right they even put on his suit for some reason I don't know why mm-hmm I was like I'm I'm I supposed to believe that Master Chief is in the the barracks of the Armory or whatever and he's like people are offering him a assault rifle it's like no I need the one with one one seven on it like I'm super serial you guys I need my own assault rifle if I'm gonna go out into battle gotta be special it doesn't have my charm that I unlocked on it and my skin I just have my pizza skin on it it doesn't have the it's so dumb boom boom but they don't have like Chief they don't have that shot is so awful and yeah you can see one one seven on it it is oh god oh yeah I see it right look how bad that CG is you know the sure runners probably say 117 why would you have a ball on the ground there when it's underneath the truck later why would you what the hell how did it get there who put it there nobody went back to the space it's been empty the whole time you really need more explanation than this beautiful shot for any really how would you do a CGI shot that is a continuity arrow it's so awkward it is yeah so blurry like this is a rush shot they probably it's one of the last of things they probably did and they forgot to color in the the plasma pistol they forgot to color that in we haven't talked about that I just I think we've actually figured out why the shot exists now and that's cool remember guys $10 million per episode at least yeah I mean couldn't you just like have an actual prop assault rifle not possible not possible genuinely though too late because everything was wrapped up this was probably caught really late someone was like guys the audience has no idea that he dropped the gun in the first episode okay and that's a really clever thing that we've done so we need to make sure they understand that has anyone got like a cursory glancing shot at the floor that we could use and then someone could animate the gun on it it's a little animated it is an animated CGI check-offs gun and it still about how like well doesn't this just highlight that once the fight is over which that is something that happens wouldn't you be like I better go grab my gun like instead of leaving really important why leave it why not put it on his ass the alien bodies the bodies of the aliens the UNSD never goes back to retrieve there was a plasma grenade sitting there you want like insurgents just getting a plasma grenade like just you just leave them out there for people to grab what a fool they set up shut up really cool that she grabs it she uses his weapon to free himself from the chains of the evil man well that's the extra layer of dumb that gets applied on this right is that this is a desperate attempt to tie Quan's story in with Master Chief's storyline and make it seem like the whole Quan episode was relevant right it's like oh she's picking up Master Chief's rifle she's using Master Chief's rifle to shoot the thing somehow it would be funny like made fun of the CG and then the artist was like I had 20 minutes okay 20 minutes you did pretty well yeah it's something that's worth noting about the Quan story as well is does it make any sense in a world where there are aliens that is an existential threat to humanity that you would still have these kinds of smaller conflicts happening that was a tension away from that it would like no we need to be the alien showing up completely made this plotline entirely irrelevant and then it shouldn't have been there it yeah it ought to have made it irrelevant that's kind of again you guys fill in time the Quan storyline like we didn't have enough content for nine episodes in Halo so we needed to somehow in Halo yes yeah it's such a bizarre like I said there's a reason why we haven't talked about it at all cause like why would we what's the point I think I think in season 2 it would become clearer because again she is a protector proper noun and there was a little monitor coming out of that portal so she has some connection to the forerunners that's why the story exists yeah the monitor thing there you do see a monitor in this briefly it shows it comes out of a well in a vision world it probably is a portal to Halo or like a shield in the world or the Ark or something in a little hole that they dug it a well for in Madrigal when they could have dug a well anywhere else crazy nuts and that if they're using if they're using the game lore as a guide I would assume it leads to the Ark but they could go fucking any direction with it they could go anywhere I feel like it's worth information that is completely unknown to you that wouldn't even be in your subconscious like what your ancestors look like and a monitor that's magic it has to be magic memories could have been implanted into their subconscious due to some mental fuse thing yeah maybe maybe really done well you just reminded me of how when he's like gradually getting memories of Halsey being in his life she just immediately agrees so like yep that's true you got me yep I was there I was there cause it's so nice to see it's just like wow you could have just said like no or not why the fuck would I have been in your childhood why do you think you think that John and he's like what do you mean he's like well don't anything is a little convenient that the person you hang out with one of the most important people in your life but no she doesn't try that even though she's supposed to be like that kind of intelligent instead she's just like huh weird and I guess I just never told you that because I'm yeah I just didn't yeah because ha ha ha ooh this show is really good I think there there is utility in the dual main character juxtaposition kind of format of telling a story it's one that I would have gone with having master chief prominently but definitely not in this way I definitely thought this was going to take an entirely different direction I thought they were going to be side by side for the entire show she would humanize master chief while his emotions start you know come rolling back in yes exactly drops her off in an asteroid and what episode two and that's that yeah the rubble is sorry I know the rubble the space station in the asteroid oh yeah yeah yeah this this doctor who world that is so the thing this show never really feels like halo it very rarely even begins to feel as if you are in a halo universe doing halo things it's very much like doctor who then like a halo show and not I think you say that it's just like what is doctor who right now it's like I don't know what even like what is the feeling of doctor who they're going through their own whole thing well only only the finale came close for me everything else was just like like it's just like eight episodes worth of like drinking diarrhea and then all of a sudden cat turds on it and it's like oh there's something here it's still lame but like this closely resembles what I was looking for from the beginning right just like action and some jokes and and yeah but even the fight sequence in episode 5 didn't feel like halo for me because like it did for a little while but then there's that beat where chief like stomps that fucking alien yeah and I don't know how it was meant to feel after that I think they wanted the audience to be like yeah awesome but I was just kind of alarmed I was just like I don't know how I feel about this like this I don't know if this is the chief I know and love you know what I mean like it's not chief it's John halo John halo the robot yeah it's so bad well you just had the picture of the rubble there it's a space station built into an asteroid oh well oh yeah I was dying laughing at it because I'm trying to think like what is the show's opinion on this moment and it's like well they have Kai being like chief like you know you're going too far maybe but it's like what does the show think of this I'm not even now well it's unclear it's unclear whether this beat is informed as a result of the beat where chief was drastically affected by the artifact to the point where like he felt the need to try and punch Halsey in the face but like I guess there is some like residual effect from that where he's so like amped up emotionally and angry I guess we gotta see that face that he's been lied to that he's carrying that anger into his punishment of this poor elite where he stomps his head flat as everyone's pointing out yes discount iron man it's it's kind of it's kind of like distracting as fuck that they did this we're going to see this place we have to we can't have it look at that what were they checking I don't know if I understand the iron man reference what which one because the iron man with his you know when he has his is in helmet the camera in helmet screen high oh yeah yeah yeah totally it's like thudding into his face like he's trying it's so funny looking yeah I know it doesn't even make his eye just starting but it's really his head to clarify right the reason it does that with iron man is so we can see Robert Downey junior expressing himself all the time right it makes sense there's just like so is that the same reason they're doing it here and it's just like yes because they can't for a second have a sea bass achieve a dot see his face like it has to be totally this makes me you know the scene where he's in his his home his old house he's looking around they have not one but two different fucking angles inside his helmet they have the iron man one that's right on his face and they have the kind of angled one that's like you know on one side of his face kind of accentuating one eye like you had to have two cameras in his fucking helmet you didn't have the restraint to just like keep the camera out of his helmet entirely and just you're so scared of not showing his face you know because you're I guess afraid that the audience is going to lose connection with the character if he's always got his helmet on cause he's not like Master Chief Iron Man is Iron Man more than Robert Downey Jr. is a ratio than you do see this guy as Master Chief instead of John Halo yeah I think so for sure it's so bad like why would you do this it's so stupid oh god we have to see his face look at him yeah cause this was getting shit all over to her just like what the fuck is this Master Chief what do you mean is Master Chief it's weird they know that everyone loves Master Chief and they know that we don't want to see his face ever but they're insistent that we always see his face yeah this Master Chief it's we gotta see their faces otherwise how do we know how they're feeling we can't have it through dialogue and body language oh look at those chunky pieces of purple falling out of his face yeah look at that she's that elite man Yikes Yikes Chief I think I feel like this has been perceived broadly as a badass moment and I wouldn't I don't I'm not on board with that no I'm totally with you on the whole like you don't even know how to feel exactly laughing is the first step I would have to committing to emotion if you will yes definitely seeing his face in addition to what's happening yeah for sure look at this shot this is blood on the shield shit right I feel like look at this look at the blood but then you're like well wait are you what are you trying to say show yeah right yeah it's it's really unclear what the show's kind of position is here like should we be worried about Spartans that lack inhibitors because they can go nuts is that what you're saying because I don't feel like the rest of the show I was gonna say I don't feel like the rest of the show supports that really at all no I mean maybe the ambiguity of it at this point that's what they were going for but I feel like it just still wasn't executed properly I don't I don't know I don't know anyway for you let's talk about the rubble yeah so the rubble is a space station built into an asteroid our introduction to it is chief exit slip space into an asteroid belt and he has to try navigate through it it's like man feel like you should have gone around and if you can't go around and the only way that ships get in and out is by navigating an asteroid belt why would anybody if we can just clarify he gets hit several times right like he gets tagged nearly dies yeah nearly dies and he's chief like so when you have guy delivering pizza he's like oh jeez I've got all his asteroids it's like that little bike in do you remember the future armor episode where they're delivering newspapers across the universe ah yes that's right that little bike that can go into space it's that got it with pizza he flies through and then he goes to the rubble and once we're inside the rubble we get to oh he just gets to dock he's in a UNSC pelican and this is like insurgent area where they don't like the UNSC I guess nobody checks to see who's docking wouldn't you argue that the guy who controls this whole area the people he least wants to see in the fucking universe to a degree