minute here for the $100,000 loan that we... Maybe. Maybe. That we have, that they said we do. And Royalton has done theirs, but I wasn't sure what to do. Obviously in the perfect situation, they borrow the money, they pay it back. But if they don't, we're on the hook for it. So I thought, all right, should I just budget for interest only on the full amount? So I could go either way. I just really didn't know what to do with it. I didn't know what to do. I don't think they should be paying everything back. Well, I'd like to think so, but if they can't, I just didn't wanna be, yeah, I'm like, you, it's your loan in the end. It's the good full faith credit of the town of Bethel. You're the ones holding the bag at the end. But I, so I'm happy to do whatever you want here. I wasn't really sure. And I just didn't want us to miss it. So I put something in. Well, I think that... If you want me to take it out. I think that opens up a whole another discussion that we need to put on for the next meeting is what is our intentions with the facility? I know we talked about in our agreement, in order to opt out, we have to do it by January 1st or whatever of each year. So we really don't have a lot of time now if that's the route that we want to go because I'm sure the paperwork's gotta go to a lawyer. That's gonna take a little bit of time to get there. We're almost to December 1st, right? So we're a month away from having to do action or be in it for another year, right? We had also hoped we would have had a second meeting with the joint meeting by now. That hasn't happened and there have been reasons for not having it, I'm just... And it seems like right now that financially at the moment, things are kosher. But behind the scenes, things are unraveling. It's from what I'm understanding. So there could be more problems coming down. Just a mixture of people trying to hire people, a mix of what we're trying to do there financially right now. Like last year at this time, we're like, we can't keep bankrollin' you know? That right now seems to be, at least right now, good. Yeah, we're paying, they're paying the spot every month. But now it seems like some of the procedures and policies that are being placed, may not be hit in the right direction. So it's definitely something that we wanna put on the next meeting and probably talk about seriously, like do we wanna move towards not or do we wanna roll the dice and take another year with it? So I can take that. Here's our chance to get out. I can take it out of the budget if you want, but like I said, I just figured we, why don't you just make the edits that we had there and then present us the new cover sheet. But didn't you have someone? I thought that. I got a whole bunch, but we're... I know, huh? Well again, we have to kinda get to a point, I think we don't need this tonight, but at the next meeting we need to get to the point of, based on where our edits are now. We probably have a few other ones that we may want to do or not do. But how do we feel with the overall budget number and the increase that folks would see in that? Do we feel that it's a modest increase that everybody can absorb? Do we think we need to take a little bit out? Or do we think that we can put a little more away? I think next time we'll just have to be prepared to make that what we think that number is and then we can back into it. What's the bottom line percentage? Right now? I think, oh it's the bottom line percentage. I think we're at... Well things have changed because just that one, the constable piece is like a $70,000 difference there. Well, down 700? Well I've had it over here. I had, we stuck with the part time constable and the signage, you're at 2.81. And then I did the number underneath it saying minus eRAF, just to show you, but we don't have any control over the eRAF. So eRAF brings you to a 0.10% increase over last year. Because, so I just wanted you to see, so constable signage, which is at 2.81 and we already are making some changes for this, but... But that was the old one, right? No, that's the one I gave you tonight that I redid before I came here. Okay. That dropped it from the 4,000, the $40,000 to $4,000 error that I made a little bit. Well, that's like anything under three is good. And... Both are. Yeah, so that's where it started. And I just separated out the eRAF just because it's something we don't have control over. So I just kind of... Is that? No, that number doesn't seem to add up. Well, I took the... Because I chopped, like in my, what I did behind the scenes, I chopped more than what we talked about tonight. But you probably adjusted your revenues. And my numbers only, no, well, I'm just saying just the... Right now you have the proposed cost, two, five, three, two, right? Yeah. I have the full... Yeah, that's minus the... And that hasn't even taken account of any of that. That's minus the eRAFs, but if I'm saying up here was part time, this was the constable and signage, but... Oh, oh, oh, the eRAF, I'm sorry. Yeah, so what I was saying here is... Right, two, five, eight, nine, minus the pieces that we had talked about. Yeah, I was right here, yeah, 2.81. So, but I'll go back and make sure my numbers are right. And, but thank you for that. Four to 40, thank you for that. I was happy when you called and said that I'm like, oh, sweet. And then usually, Jean, during budget time, depending on the grand list, usually it's around 20, now it's about $20,000 per penny. So every $20,000 swing in our budgets, about one penny on the tax rate. Round numbers, you know. Because our grand list is just over 2 million, it's 2, 202 or something. Yeah. It used to be like 195 or something. It took a pretty good jump last year. Because it used to be like $19,400 per penny and now it's about 20. So when you're looking through that you think, because usually you're kind of thinking yourself the penny rate, right? Like we go up three pennies, how much does that affect each person and so three pennies would be 60 grand that that budget would have to change between revenue and cost, you know. At which I think right now we were sitting at, after all the, after those edits, we were sitting at like 60, I think. So we're like three cents I think right now about where we're at. So we're kind of right close to usual to goal. So yeah. And so I'll make the changes and look at the other revenue slide too for the tax, so that'll help you. That'll help you see what that was for last year. Any further questions on the budget for this evening or we'll have a few more revisions on it. And then what are we thinking for a- I've got to fragment a look at the calendar. I have to above my desk. A night for doing, I'm just trying to think, how soon did we do it before, we have to have it in by what, second week in January? We signed it, we signed the warning kind of one, but we got it pretty quick. I'd love to wrap it up at the next meeting. We signed the warning on January 11th, but I'd love to finish the budget next meeting. So we're gonna have to have an informational meeting. Yeah, we always have to have an informational meeting. We have it on the Monday before, we have two. Yeah, we have one, the first select board meeting of the month of February, and then we have another one, or no, excuse me, sorry. We have done a special meeting in the past and did a budget informational in the middle. And then we always do one, the meeting before town meeting. Right. But we did one, because we were Australian ballot last year, there was different rules. Right, so I'm thinking the- So the budget discussion meetings happened in February, but we have to send, go to print for the town report. So, I mean, I'll bring- Well, we've always had a meeting right before the report got printed. Like, this is the final budget. Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I mean, they're all- So that would be, so you're saying- I'm saying- Well, the next meeting is the 13th, right? Yeah, it'd be nice- So are you saying doing that on the 13th or the 27th? Because that would be the- Well, you signed January 11th. Honestly, I'd love to wrap up the budget on the 13th. If we could, if you could tell me what the numbers are, we could still have to follow the meeting, but at least it just, it helps to get through it because it's all, because the budget is a huge part of the town report. So I'd have to look back at our schedule from last year, but obviously you signed the warning on January 11th, and you would have had to have the final budget numbers. So we'll need to finish on the 13th at the 27th. Yeah, the 11th was the first meeting of the- I'll put something in the chat. So that would then, okay. So we'll aim for the 13th then. Okay, oh, so Leonard said, leave the meeting, visual was great and there was a bit of an echo, but I could clearly hear the select board members in attendance. So- Could you hear the, I'm sorry. He's not there. Was he able to hear the audience members? Yeah, he said he could. He said there was a little bit of an echo. Because that was our- He could clearly hear the audience. I think we're always gonna have an echo in this room. I think that's true. So anyways, yeah, Chris, so we'll, so yes, and the perfect, it'd be nice- Well, just that way, so we'll advertise it that the next meeting will be- Just like we did this time, budget discussion, it's gonna be on here, just like we always do. Well, I know, but we're gonna act on it next meeting. Is what you're saying? Well, maybe, I'd like to. Just so that people know that that would be their last chance to voice any opinions that they may have. Yeah, we can flush it out if not what's gonna happen. Before town meeting day, you know? If not, we'll make any final edits, the final edits should be next time on the 13th, and then when you get it on the 27th, that would be done and done. Yeah, okay, sounds good. That's my hope, it's just nice to get it done. Sounds good. The last thing we gotta worry about. All right, mask on my bank note. So the mask on my bank loan for the transfer station for $100,000 at 2.5%. You obviously right here is the documents. There's the emotion to adopt the resolution and certification and to approve the promissory note, disbursement requests and errors and omissions. You're gonna see in here, there's some changes that the bank already initialed. So you all have to go through here when you see B-A-V, that's one of the bank and you guys have to initial these changes, these are changes that your lawyer made. And that- We all have to initial everyone on this? Yeah, that's what they requested. Yes, we haven't done that in the past, but I'm like, okay, no big deal. And but these are changes that the lawyer made and maskoma agreed to them and so we're all good. But that's the loan if you wanna. The legal rank is gone behind this thing. If we ended up offing out of this thing, or given our notice in January, which wouldn't take effect until what, June or something? Right, yeah. How would that affect this note? Well, basically it would be part of your- It would just close up? It'd be your part of your finance. Yeah, because if you haven't borrowed anything, it's no big deal. We're not taking out any money unless we have to. And so obviously it's, or it's not obviously, honestly as part of your financial closeout with royals and would be to pay off the debt that you were owed. Yeah, and then right now the goal is any money that is borrowed to me payroll that interest would get paid back to us through the transfer station. Yeah, if we get a bill from Mascoma, the transfer station, it's gonna get coded from their budget. They're gonna pay for it. Obviously, I mean that's their hope, is that they've raised revenue enough and right now they're doing okay. I mean, they still have high numbers, so pretty good numbers. They've been really busy. So currently it looks good and they haven't even borrowed off Royalton's $100,000 line of credit. So currently there is no borrowing. But it works out nice because they're paying the bills. It's not like it's an uncommon thing. I mean, there's many businesses that have that take out loans to me payroll. So that's kind of a normal practice. Yeah, and it may be anything. It may not be be more than payroll. But in this case, if they take out something, I don't know, make it up. It's $500 in interest and they'll pay us the $500 in interest back. Well, they're just gonna write the check directly to Mascoma. Oh, okay. We're right now. And the interest, okay. Yeah, so they're cutting the check directly right now. But because of the way that the interlocal was set up, they can't borrow on their own.  Why Mascoma and not Bar Harbor? Where did that shift happen? Because Bar Harbor would not make the edits that the lawyer wanted. And so I went back to Bar Harbor and said, we're gonna have to pull our request. If you can't, the select board is not gonna sign something that the lawyer is saying, do not let them sign this. Because, and so they couldn't, I'm not sure if one is more of an out-of-state bank and one Mascoma does more banking in state or what. But so we ended up not. I think they're both in the same kind of market, aren't they? Yeah, I think, yeah. But we've got really good luck. I was just curious. That was my assumption was that Bar Harbor wouldn't make the changes. They wouldn't and every time, you know, and so obviously we pay for legal advice or the transfer station. They've paid for all the bills for negotiating this stuff. And being that we have a piece of this loan, we'll obviously get statements of what's being. Yeah, they can't. Bar out in what's being paid. The only one who's gonna come off from here is Pam. They can't borrow the money because it's our tax ID number. But we'll know when there's. So technically, Royalton's 100,000 is with Bar Harbor and ours is with Mascoma. Exactly. Fascinating. Because they had agreed, Jerry had said in the beginning, they would do what we did. And I said, perfect. So we'll pay, the lawyer's gonna transfer station will pay for the attorney, we didn't do it. And then they signed. And I said, why did you sign? You went against legal advice. You said we would do the same things. And I said, the lawyer's saying no, but the Royalton board apparently didn't need a legal opinion. They didn't have a legal opinion. They signed it. And I said, our lawyer is saying not to sign it, but they took it upon themselves. And I'm like, okay, whatever. But I said, Bethel's not doing that. And then they had said, why are you dragging your feet? And I said, because the lawyer said not to sign it. So hence we ended up here. So that's your long motion. So just need a motion to adopt the resolution and the certification and to approve the promissory note, disbursement, request and errors and emissions. So both. Okay, all in favor? All right, we just have to make sure we initial every piece of this, right? Yeah, so I didn't tag it, so there's several. Okay. So yeah, it's been a thing, but attorney Fletcher was there. Just initial it? Yep, he was a good, it's always been a good test. But yeah, Lili, I don't know why they, so I ended up talking to Jerry, and I'm like, where did I get our feet? And they're making them pay for all the legal bills. Yeah? Oh, that's good. So, it's like signing your life away, isn't it? It's like, I'm. Yeah, don't even come away with it. I just feel it's wrong.  Like, what's going on? Sorry. While we're signing and what we just move on, catch up some time here. Sure. Pinella Bridge Engineering and Design. Yep, that's pretty easy. We got proposals from three contractors, obviously. It's really hard not to build a low bidder when you're dealing with FEMA. Probably gonna want blood samples and stuff, if you don't. But we went through the BHB, it was good design and they're a good proposal and they've done work like this before, and so, made sense. So it was the bidders were right here. So they were the high bidder. Otter Creek was the second, and then the BHB was a little better. And this is based on a lump sum bid or? This is an RFP that, no. This is an RFP that we put together with help of VTrans to get through the project. There was a detailed scope of services. I think I put it in a previous packet a month or so ago. So this is the outcome of the argument. And their pricing here, you can see obviously is their response to the proposal. So, obviously, I hoped you covered it, but it's hard because they're picking up from the prior engineer. So it would just be a motion and once we do that, I'll call them tomorrow and get the contract going. And I just, we need to get them started. When would the design process finished? Did they say how long it'd take them? Well, we had been through that. It was all laid out in the RFP, which I didn't bring with me tonight. And now I think that I had said I needed construction documents by the end of February, so that we could put it out to bid. And then obviously there's construction management in here. They needed to do some soil borings. So they've already had, I'm not sure if these guys are dealing with Stand Born Head or somebody else, but they'd already preliminary set that aside. So it's ready to run. They gave them from the prior person, everybody got a thumb drive with all the documents we had. FEMA did allow us to keep both North Star Hydro and Contact Bridges in the game without issuing the RFP since they were already on board and they had an idea of the project. I'd ask FEMA specifically if we could keep them. So that's it. All right. Just need a motion to award the contract of VHB. Any amount? Do you need the amount or are we good? I'm all right. Okay. Second. All in favor? All right. As long as it doesn't come back to invite us. That's so many of them do. Hopefully not, babe. It seems like every time we engineer something, it's like, really? I know. Well, what are you going to do? We don't have a choice. It's Groundhog Day every time, all over again. Well, we've made out both Pinellas. Pinellas. We've been down that road a few times. Well, I'm saying before. Yeah, and no fault of anybody, but we've been down that road a few times on different projects. Yeah, so hopefully that's it. So let me get next. The town, the draft warning is in here, which is the same warning I've been giving you. So I'm not sure if I said, but in my town management report, but I recommend that you take out cannabis, frankly, because I really, it's just a feeling. I just feel like the state, they passed the legislation, which is fine. And then they kicked it to the council and they're still trying to figure stuff out. And I gave you the list of all the towns near us that I could find that had passed it. So Randolph and other, and I just, I don't like to let somebody else figure this out who has more money, a bigger town with more money. And then they worked the bugs out. You could always adopt it next year. I always hate being the first because it eventually causes somebody money and heartache. So that's my opinion, you can do with that, what you want. So I had, I don't think I've gotten a 100% consensus from anybody that I've talked to, or I did have a few individuals that reached out to me. I'll say it was last week or tail end after our other one. Thank you. That voiced their opinion, they were, but I haven't found an overwhelming one way or another. So I guess what I was talking with Therese today when we were up on Dart Hill and said, I wonder if we treat this at this point more like the Doyle poll thing. Like, does the select board put out their own questionnaire that we can not just give at town meeting day but have an opportunity to either put it in, like we could put a copy of the questionnaire in the back of the town report. We could mail some, we could mail them out to people for their water bills and sewer bills. We could do things like survey monkey online, to get some information. And I wonder if we put like a couple of different questions on the survey together. One would be to go to the vote in regards to the cannabis. Two would be not to specifically label the Australian ballot, but to put on a question that would say in support of Australian ballot voting in the future. And then the other one would be like the policing or constable piece just to gather some information. And I think if we get overwhelming information on one way or another on a topic, then that gets directed back to the board of this is your to-do list to work out and get done for next town meeting. If that's overwhelming for policing in one way or another that we build that into our next budget. And if we have an overwhelming support that says we do want Australian ballot, then we need to move on that. Either put the question on the ballot, right? Because I just wonder if right now we just haven't gotten enough information to solve all these. One of the things we talked about today was putting that survey also in town report. Town report is the only document besides the tax bill that goes to every registered voter in Bethel as well as the household. So we talked about maybe making the last page so someone could tear it out. So it either has a survey monkey or they can answer the questions and drop it off and mail it to the town office, make sure on the back that it has something in it. So do make it a survey monkey link on there. So if someone wants to just go online and answer or they can actually tear it out and mail it back or drop it off. So that was my thought to Chris when he brought up his idea. I said, well, town report is the only thing that goes to every registered voter. And I wonder if it being the same color page in the back of a book, people wouldn't notice it versus like when you do stuff with like the water sewer or the link with taxes, you make it a colorful page, you put it in front of a loose page. Like I know that it's in its time of putting one in every report, but would you get more results? And it'd be hard to mail it that way because once it gets mailed like this. So these things aren't sealed. I couldn't, it has to be attached. I could ask her, I don't. Can you make one page a different color in the report? No. No. Oh, gosh. Well, Penny might also kill every single one. Yes. Well, that might be a good exercise if it is. You can do it, but you have to put a tape over. Paul's a printer. Well, send Therese down. I'm sure it would be. Well, send Therese to break it to her in the morning. It's dual, technically it's dual. You could technically, you could staple in, you could stitch in a paint piece of paper, but it'd have to be two pages. It would have to run, because I think they do them in four-page units or eight-page units. But I think the piggyback on what I think Jean had said at the beginning is it wouldn't be just sampling people that show up for town meeting. We could also put it in the water bill or sewer bill and ask that those be dropped off. And we could also do for online, because more people are online now, we could do the survey monkey that we could advertise. The hard part is multiple people could fill it out. Somebody could fill it out 100 times. But ultimately, the Australian validation question and the cannabis question must be decided at town meeting. Exactly. Yes. So if you were to put a survey in this year, we would not be able to act on it until the year of subsequent year. And I'm not sure what that gets us. Gets you more inclusivity of people participating in there, giving their opinion about how they feel about those topics without locking in to your immediate solution. No, it doesn't. But putting it on the ballot doesn't lock into a solution. It simply puts the option of voting for it or against it. Right. And I think the counter to that being that then the vote for or against is only the people who have shown up for town meeting as opposed to a survey could get a wider subset of information that then informs how things move forward as opposed to only who's at town meeting. Well, I guess you could say you could put it on the warning for town meeting, right? And then the individuals that come to town meeting all want town meeting, right? And they vote it down. But then the individuals that the whole Australian ballot system is there to potentially help aren't there to vote. You know what I mean? So I just wonder if we get more information now and let's say we do a couple of different methods of collecting data. And then we get the data back that says, make it up, 75% of people want to see then that kind of then I think we can better shape that question and put it on to the warning. And I think at that time, you can get more information out of that. We will be voting on Australian ballot at town meeting. I mean, I think right now a lot of people like we've had a couple of different times. Like I remember one meeting we had overwhelming support for it's well, of course, it's only a sample population of three or four of you. Nothing against you three or four, but I remember we had one meeting that it would seem like the overwhelming support was for some sort of Australian ballot, right? And then it seemed like the meeting that we had here last time seemed like there was more support for not sticking the way we had it. So it's kind of like, but again, that's only a sample population of like eight people. So it's like, you know? And the people, I've been, everybody I see or the few people have reached out to me. You know, it's not like they're all saying town meeting. It's not like they're all saying, you know, Australian ballot. Mike, Mike, I ask the same question. So suppose we put a survey in and it says the majority of the people who are not attending town meeting think it should go this way, but the next year you put a question, but the next year it winds up, we put it on the ballot. The people who show up at town meeting are going to be the same people who showed up at the town meeting this year, whether they represent, now whether they're influenced by all the people who don't attend town meeting or not. I'm not sure the survey does any. If it were an action that the select board needed to take, then I would say yes. Do the survey, get as much information as you can. And I think that's appropriate for the constable position. I question whether having a survey about something that the town meeting ultimately has to vote on is really doing anything. If it's warm, there is opportunity for people to say, I'm to write a letter to the editor or whatever, I'm going to vote for this or I'm going to vote for that. It is an opportunity for public discussion as much as for any issue that goes before the meeting. Do you think that a survey, just like you asked me, because I get what you're saying, do you think that a survey would, a survey this year would get more people to come to town meeting next year if they knew it was on the ballot? Because I understand what you're saying. You're right. There's always the same sample people are going to be there. I'm totally, you're right about that. But I'm just curious if you think that if we did a survey this year and kind of pushed it more, I don't mean I guess it's a year out, I guess it would be hard to say. I'm just curious if we'd get more, drum up more business for more people to come and vote on it. But yeah, I don't know. Either way, you're right. You could add to that question. You could say, are you in favor, or would you like to see Australian ballot? And then if they say yes, if so. Because it doesn't have to be a town meeting. You could do a special meeting in November. And you could vote on it townwide to go to Australian ballot if that was what people want to do to then present it at the, I mean, there's, it doesn't have to be a town meeting. You could hold a special session any time you want it. But I'm just, I mean, I think right now, if we put it on the warning or not, you're still going to have the same 180 people that are going to show up at the town meeting, right? This year or next year? Give or take. Now, if it's out there for a longer period of time, maybe you get more people, maybe you don't. It's kind of like that Tuesday thing versus a Saturday thing, you get more people and it didn't show like you did.  Because I actually don't have a strong opinion on this personally. But I think what it does is it gives the select board more of the voice of a broader population. So then at that meeting, if you get somebody standing up on the floor and saying their viewpoint about keeping town meeting exactly as it is, a member of the select board who or anybody who's seen the results of that survey could end up and say, well, counter to that, we have X number of people who put out this survey. So I think your point is valid, but also there is merit to it. So it's, I mean, he's right.  So he's right. And it goes in front of the floor boat. You're right. And I feel more or less about my argument in terms of Australian belt than I do with the cannabis. Regardless of what feedback we would get from the town's to not ultimately have to vote that up or down. Yep. I think it's giving people more warning. I mean, yes, we can all sit here and say, well, it's in the warning. You should know. You need to be informed as a citizen. But we also know the realities that people don't read the warnings and aren't informed. And so then is it on us as a town to do a better job of getting more information out to the public more regularly, which I think we do, but we still are catering to the same audience on a weekly basis. So it is a survey, a way to potentially get a handful of people who maybe weren't aware, a little more aware, or giving us their feedback, or hitting the people that don't know one of us personally if we're doing these anecdotal individual surveys. I mean, you can leave the horse in the water, but you can't make the drink. But we've got to leave the horse. I think we've got to put it out there and give, as we talked about, giving as many people opportunity to input. And how do we do that Zoom or in-person? Or how do we accomplish that? And that's a good way to accomplish that. Whether or not they fill it out and send it in, we've done what we can do. But at least it would give more input from a wider base. And then you can utilize the results of that survey as part of the discussion. Because we're just guessing. I'm sorry. It's not when you're distributing it in an equity way. Well, it goes out to everybody. It goes out to every registered voter. Every registered voter and property owner get a copy of Town of Port. So it goes out there. Plus, we would do the usual, you know, Facebook. But my point is we've got to possibly be part of what we're thinking about. You're just sending it to folks who have property. That's not actual. Right. No, it goes to. Goes to all the registered voters. Yeah, it goes to both. Yeah, we call this list every year. We pull the property owners registered voters. Because you may be a registered voter or not a property owner. So we try to nail down every. And with the town, we can obviously would mask me on the town of Port. So that was only a suggestion of putting it in as a, like the last page of the town of Port. So someone could, the back could be flanked. And someone could. Well, and I do think then having an online version maybe hits a population that, I don't know, for whatever reason, chucks it in the bin right as they get it out of their mailbox and they don't even open it to know that it's a survey. You could put the link on here too. So if you did, if you chose to do that, you could do the survey plus have the link to the survey monkey. But have the survey monkey only open for whatever, a month, or whatever, or month and a half, whatever you want. I don't care. But set it open so that at least it's on there too. So if someone didn't want to desecrate their town of Port, they could go online and instead of tearing it up. I'm afraid of mine. See, I like to think that people do it because so much work goes into it. Yeah, I have a whole specialized frame that I can add into the survey. I don't know, it's just a. But it is tricky to collect data because it's unless you've got every single person in one room, right? And raise your hand or didn't raise your hand. You have no way of knowing, right? You're always going to collect different sample population. Survey is only going to be important anyway. Right. But I do like it does give the. I guess the way I've always, you know, on the select board anyways, the way I've always seen my duty is even if it's something I necessarily don't want to see, if you know, we'll use the. We use the bull belts as an example, right? Chris's bull. Yes, anytime you can use the bull belts, right? So the bull belts were something that, you know, I didn't 100% think that it's a very crowded downtown and think really it's probably. But an overwhelming majority of people wanted to take advantage of the grant and see these changes. So I voted for it. So I always try to take my personal opinion out of it. But I like to have enough data to say, you know, like usually you come out of town meeting and there's some things that people have barked at you and said, we want to see this and that and this, right? And then you know, just start working on those things, right? And in this case, it's like, you know, like what? Like for me to get up at town meeting day to say, you know, the reason why we put this on here is because it's been overwhelming support for it. It makes it easy for me, you know, or justifies the stance in it. And right now it's like, well, I don't know, we're just gonna throw this stuff on here because these are options that we have in the world and I don't know. You know, I mean, I don't have to support it. Other than that, at that point, I'll have to support it individually, right? I understand and I appreciate it. But again, we're not talking about putting the substance of the issue. We're not, we're talking about putting, we're talking about putting the, giving the community the opportunity to vote on something. We're not giving them, this is what we have decided or ought to happen. We're not, hey, putting it on the agenda is not deciding how the town should vote on the issue. That is the ultimate survey. Yeah, it's true. And so I just, I'm not, I'm not gonna, so I don't wanna beat it, beat it to death. I just think that there is a time for gathering public opinion and a time to say, look, we're going, you're gonna have to make a decision, especially like the cannabis thing. At some point they're gonna have to make a decision, regardless of what any survey is going to say. And I'm not sure that submitting a survey in advance serves much purpose, but I've had my say and I don't need to hear any more about it. I just think we need to. Well, and don't forget, people competition. So even if you choose, you know, not to put it on there, then there's obviously a petition process where, you know, there's a process laid out to the Vice Secretary's date and statute, in which case there's only certain circumstances in which somebody can force you to put something on the warning. But if it's something that has to be voted on, has to be voted on by the voters, then a properly filed and followed petition is something that would force you to put it on the warning. So, but anyway, so you can decide. So on here, obviously the one thing we had put on here, as I've said before, 12 is the elected officers by Australian ballot, 13 was the budget articles. The other one that we had kicked around was, the other one is you can vote public questions that way. So I'm not sure what you want to do here. If you want to leave 12, take out 13, put on 14, or what is it, what's the mix you want to see here? Did you guys have agreed to make a decision that way if somebody doesn't have time to do it? It would be my preference to put the officers on, but not the budget. Okay. That will be my preference, but if the board wants to go with the survey, we shouldn't do that. And what did you think about 14, about cannabis? You want to leave it on or take it off? I just simply want to get it over with, but on the other hand, I'm not going to sleep over one pair or another. I just see that one being the great, the great, I don't know what I'm really voting on. It's kind of a true, you know what I mean? And it's hard right now to flush out the laws ourselves. Yeah, I mean, this one is just, it's not like you're allowing the use of it. We're allowing the retail sale of it, right? I mean, that's everything. You're allowing the community to decide that. You're not deciding that issue. We're putting it on the ballot, simply says it's on the ballot. You're not taking sides. Putting it on the ballot doesn't say that you favor approving it for retail sale or that you're opposed to it. Simply gives the community the choice. Well, I mean, if we want to give the community choice, I mean, we could probably, I could find 50 things we could put on this ballot to give choices of what stocks we're gonna wear and everything else, but I think that's my point. This is a question of putting it before the voters. It isn't about choosing sides or making a recommendation one way or another, simply says. But in this case, we're putting something on the warning that there is no interest in. So there's nobody that has submitted anything saying that they want to put a retail store in Beppel, right? Now, this does come with consequences. So if the town voted this in, let's say, there's no retailer, right? There's nobody that wants to go in right now, but let's say the town votes it in, right? And then somebody comes in and then they say, wait a minute, this was terrible. We should never have done this. And we're gonna vote it out. Well, that's good. It's all voted out except for that one retailer that's in here that you can't get rid of them. It's in stone forever. You know what I mean? They're grandpa. They're grandfather clause forever. So it's like Randolph. They did theirs and there's nothing over there. They voted for it and there's no retailer, no anybody. And I know why the state did this. I mean, if the state really wanted their input, they would ask us, should we legalize marijuana, right? They never asked us that. They just went and did it, right? They never asked us voters. But the only reason why they have us doing this is because of the cities in Vermont. It has nothing to do with Bepple. It has to do with the Willis-Tins and the Burlington and those that collect money, not Bepple. So if you're in Willis-Tin, you could vote this in and you can collect your 1% on whatever you make and get to local revenue. Bepple, it means nothing at this point other than keeping it out of the community if you don't want it, you know? So, all right. So Lily, what do you want to do? You've got 12, 13 of them. I don't know. We're gonna have to go person by person. I'm not putting any of them on. Okay, so, and Dave... I don't have enough information to do it. To put anything on? Nope. Okay, and then... Dave's a no on everything. Dave was a no on anything. All right, so, okay. So, that's policy three. So, what do you, Lily, what would you like to do? Go to bed. That's not allowed, I know. So, Gene is saying leave on 12, take off 13 and 14. He can go either way. Yeah, I mean, I'm leaning towards leaving. Well, not 13. I don't know, I'm torn on the cannabis because I see both sides of it of, you know, we just, we don't know enough from the state to, I don't even think the voters are making an informed vote. If we as a board can't even say we'd be making an informed vote putting this on here or not, how can voters be informed when the state hasn't set the rules? So, voters are voting a personal preference with no actual knowledge of ramifications behind it. And I think that, I don't know, I'm just, I'm torn on it. Yeah, I'm torn on it.  Well, I don't think it's hard to try to follow because it's just trying to... For me, knowing that the time limit, like before when you first presented this, we were, it was... You have to go within a year. You're voting this year, period. And now actually we have time to see what the state says, what the cannabis control board comes out with, how it actually does, and your point of like, what does it do in other communities? Yeah, I don't know. They have a very small downtown and it could be completely changed by one retailer, good or bad. It doesn't, I'm not giving that weight to which direction because recognize that one retailer can change the landscape. Yeah, and it's hard too because they're still trying to, and then it's the cannabis control board and they're still, they're gathering surveys and I do have another packet that they put out and still someone has the right. They could still request a town meeting or a vote so we could still vote this at some point. Yeah, I just... Well, we're gonna vote it at some point. I mean, I think that's the reality is it's this year, it's next year, but is next year more informed as a whole versus this year? I think next year would be totally more informed because you would add a year that the cannabis control board has gone through that out of town has tried stuff if there's legislation that had been passed to correct anything.  Just trying to tell you all the ins and outs, I can't help you. I mean, I'm not... We have a hard enough time getting, it's just what I would say, your normal businesses that every community has, right? We have a tough time having a bakery and those types of businesses. Anyway, it's not alone, some retailer from marijuana. And I think for me it would be, again, it's a data thing. It's very easy if some individual stood before us and said, geez, I would really like to put a cannabis retail store in the blossom block. I don't know, make it up, right? And then it's very easy to say, okay, well, we need to put it on the warning, right? I mean, that's so easy for me to say that. But we have had no interest. Randolph went and did it anyways and they have had zero interest, you know? So it's like, at this point, what's it matter if we have to do it or not do it? Like, maybe we never voted in. Maybe somebody comes in in February and says, I'm gonna petition to have it on. The devil's advocate of business developers says, yeah. Randolph says, I can do it.  Yep. Oh, no. I mean, that's the whole thing. But how does that affect us? They probably had to go to Randolph in the substance, right? That's a way to report about that. What's that? Paul had a good point. It's a higher population center out there, so they probably want to go and Randolph anyway. Yeah. Well, then we'll see how that figures out. But it doesn't affect negatively anything here. No, no. I mean, we're not gonna collect any local revenue off of it. No, no. I guess. You know, it's readily available for all. All right, so we've got the, so Gene Lindley and Chris remove, say remove the budget one. So that, and then it sounds like you've got possibly three of those things. Well, they're saying cannabis retails. What do you think, Paul? You've got 12. I want to take them all off. You want them all off? Yep. Okay, so Paul says no. Yep. And Chris says no. There you go. So you've got to tie on taking them off on 12, because we know Dave said no. He was clear in his last time, said no way. I don't want any of this on. And then three of you agree that we don't do the budget by Australian balance. So we take that off. And then seemingly, if I'm interpreting this correctly, the majority of you are saying, and let's wait on cannabis. So we'll take it off. There's so many unknowns. I mean, there's just so much stuff there. And every, it seems like a change. And every time they get together, they change. Well, it's the current before the horse thing. I mean, they're still trying to work all the details out from what they already put in place. It's hard. I'm still trying to follow it up. But so then 12, so we'll even do about 12.  Or we can wait until Dave's here at the next meeting.  So we can, we'll put it on for next meeting. At least it would get a little closer. But Jean, climate change coordinated. Real, real quick, the town of Randolph is considering the select board meeting. They had a special meeting last week in which they had given us, of course, to the idea of a shared resource person to manage climate change planning and or implementation of responses. And I am suggesting that we, with collaboration of whatever the effect of committee town committees, that we put something on the town agenda that would empower us to move forward with a joint position to deal with climate matters. Apparently Randolph has expressed support and interest. Brookfield has expressed strong interest and support. Braintree has been invited to participate in I think their conversation with Rochester. So that would be five communities sharing a position. Lots of details we need to be worked out. There is currently a six-town regional coordinator that's been hired by T-Work to work with and is that position being funded by those six communities to deal with those kinds of issues. And T-Work is developing in its energy subcommittee or whatever, they are working hard at developing planning tools, et cetera, for local communities. So what I'm asking is involving energy, conservation, planning in the select board, I think those are the ones that, oh, like EIC, that we develop something so that the town can consider something very specific around climate change action, not just pie-in-the-sky ideals. So I'm looking at the paperwork that they had for motions and they're talking about putting on the articles. The one that I think the key one that Jean is speaking of is shall the town of Randolph establish a staff position according to the town manager to develop the plan, processes and procedures across all town departments to meet town climate action goals. So that would be the one question that you could put to the voters, but then we need to fall back and we need to add something to the budget because we can't, if you wanna put this on the town. So we're having a, they're having a position that's just gonna be a full-time. That's dealing with all these towns. Mike, we've talked about doing other things, but so basically it'd be a full-time position that everybody funds. It would be a full-time position shared by, six towns, five or six towns. But what does that person, what does that person do? What is their job description? You know, what does it look like? I mean, I guess the way I, I'm not saying that, that this tool wouldn't be helpful. I'm just, the way I see it sometimes is when these things are on the forefront, there are people that take advantage of this situation and they're probably doing the same thing that two rivers is doing, you know, but we're just paying someone to do something that somebody else started doing, you know what I mean? So I guess I'm, I- So, in my mind, some of the things that that person would do would be to move ideas that we already have in the town plan from the, we ought to consider doing this, into specific plans and actions for this we should do in 2022 and this we should do in 2023. But isn't that our, our responsibilities here and the town manager? I mean, no, I know, I know, but I'm just saying like that. The town plan is, is managed by the town manager and the select board. So I mean, that's, and that's where I'm saying is we're gonna pay somebody to do something that we should be doing ourselves already, you know? And to write the grant proposal, grant proposals. Got that legendary. For all of the funds that will be, that are becoming available and are already available for developing the plan, for implementing, for coordinating, for managing those particular funds. It's, it's a, it's a, it's a position to supplement the work that our current staff are already doing to enable climate change action to actually take place rather than to just be in a, someday we ought to maybe consider having a, a charging station. It, it's already in the town plan, but who's been doing anything about that? And not just the energy committee. That's the, the point is to have some staffing support for our capacity as a town to deal with the issues that are going to be coming down the pike at us. And to think proactively ahead of schedule before we have our backs against the wall and are now looking for dollars to do X, Y, and Z. Those things are all gonna be available, but do we have the resources to do it? For example, two years ago in Randolph, there was an opportunity to apply for a grant to put a charging station in the town of Randolph. Nobody in the town office applied for that grant. They didn't get it because nobody applied. Right, yep. It's, it's, it's, that's the kind of thing that a climate, that a co-ordinated for any program could do. Could the position, it's not a position, but the 10,000 that you put in there for grant assistance, could that potentially be part of this, right? So to sort of answer your budget question of instead of going back to the drawing board and the budget, could it be? I mean, we don't know, we don't know what, what a budget amount would be like. If they're gonna pay, if you get six towns and they're paying $60,000 a year, the 10 grand we just put in isn't even gonna cover it if they're gonna do us equally and that doesn't do me any good. So then you get any benefits and all that stuff. Yeah, because we need to figure out, we really need some idea, right, of how, what the position is funny, but I mean, I'm reading the information that you brought, which was good, which is, and is helpful. I just don't know, so my answer would be no. I don't think that's gonna be the money that 10,000 because then if we had other grants, we wouldn't have anyone to write them because obviously if someone's gonna do this for multiple towns, you're not paying them 30 grand, so even if you divvied it up. And so that's my thing is I'm, if you choose to put on a warning, I don't care, but I have to fund it, because if it passes, I can't stand to tell me, that's great, we're even putting money to fund it. So, I guess you could, but. Two responses. One is, we understand that it cannot be funded until it's been part of the budget. So that doesn't mean that this person would be engaged on April 1st of 2022. It means that, no, we will move ahead with that when we can fund it in maybe a year, and it would be a year from now when we could put it into the budget. But we would be in a position to move forward when, you know, because the town has asked us to do that. Oh, I see. Instead of putting it on the same warning that you're gonna fund it out. Not to establish, not to hire this person right now, but to say, look, let's. Is there interest in hiring? Let's move in this direction and then have it in our head pocket when we're putting the budget together for 2023. That's one response. Okay. And that's a response that I've raised with other town, that this is not something that we can easily put on warn this year when the budget's already been set. So you're basically saying, let's put the question out now and see if anybody's interested and then fund it in the future. So basically, so you could even shell the town of Randolph established stop position in the future or something, or you could just explain it. So I see what you're saying. But I think it can be a confusing question because one would say, well, that's a no brainer. We should have somebody doing that, right? But I also look as a businessman that we have infrastructure already put in place that should be doing that, right? I mean, the energy committee was, when we put the energy committee together, that was solely their job, which not every town has an energy committee, but the energy committee was to take the energy and climate concerns and directions from the state and apply those in our local setting, right? With the help of the select board. And we include these things in the town plan and the town plan is our guide to managing the town, Teresa's and ours. And I guess the way I just see this is an extra layer in the cake that do we need to pay for this person when we should be doing our jobs ourselves. I mean, Randolph, the reason why they missed the charging stations is because somebody didn't do the job, right? I mean, our energy committee put together a grant for a charging station. And then we found out the charging station was gonna cost like, what was it? Seven times what we were told it was gonna cost. So then we bagged it. And then the funding, and then the grant funding or something fell through. We also found out that that was for a short-term contract and then the maintenance was gonna fall to us, which was gonna be pricey. So it was a whole thing, but this was helpful, so thank you. It did explain once I was questioning it first, but then I got it, so. I just wonder if it's just overlap of, I mean, and in every town is made up differently, right? I mean, if you're in a town that has a town administrator, because administrators and managers do different things, right? Then it's easy for a select board to say, we need that position because if not, select board's gonna do it, right? And I do think it comes back to capacity and Theresa's expressed within the office a lack of capacity for grants in general. We're actively looking at options of a shared economic development person between multiple towns. I think in a lot of ways it's no different. If we're looking at one, why are we not looking at another? It's not that there's no entity within our town thinking about or focused on economic development. It adds more force behind it and it's a dedicated person who their entire focus is about one thing as opposed to, you're right, it is part of all of our things, but as are 100 other things and then we'll play that by 100 for Theresa, right? Like none of us are going to spend all of our focus on one element of these things. It's in a lot of ways, it's why we create the committees, right? It's that they can kind of spearhead it and bring the information back and I think it's just sort of, it is adding a little more force to you. So do you want me to just add it to the warning so you guys can deal with it when Dave comes next week? I mean, since you guys are split on the Austrian-Balden we're talking about waiting for Dave, do you want me to, because I know it's getting late and you still have more to talk about on the, do you want to, what do you want to do with this? Do you want to add it to the draft warning and this draft warning and have Dave or do you just want to say no? Let's still leave a lot more information about how this position would function. I mean, just the logistics of one person dealing with the individual needs of six towns because I need maybe totally different than brain trees or hurt fields. You know, I think it's a good concept to do that kind of a centralized position that would not deal with all these things because I don't think one person could deal with the six towns worth of needs would be a very much overhead view of all the towns. What they would have in common perhaps, you know, what can all the towns do that can be readily done next year? But I just, there's just too much missing. So it seems like you're smart about this. It seems like two of you can go one way and two the next. Well again, on my end, just to state my position clearly is it has nothing to do with climate change. It has to do with the management of the climate change. And I feel that there is infrastructure in our town to hand, it's not gonna be light switch and we have to do X, Y, Z all in this year, you know, or two years or three years. It's gonna be over a long time. And, you know, we're gonna be doing little pieces here and there and we should be able to coordinate that stuff ourselves. I mean, there's other things in this town that we would love to have too that we don't because we can't afford it, right? Like, we don't have a water commissioner. We don't have a public works director. We don't have, you know, a lot of these functions because we can't afford to build in all these positions. Instead, we have a person that has multiple hats, you know, so, you know, but I mean, I guess that's the way I look at it is, I think it's a no brainer that you should have somebody or something or some mechanism to move this, right? Efficiently.  Yeah, we talked about that social services position. I mean, there's, like, do we- It's like a need, we could have, we could, you know, if we had hired a couple of full-time people more, you could do, manage all these things, better than we do now or add more want. So it's tough, I get what you're saying, and nobody's wrong here. Is Randolph the only one with that on their warning? Is there- Part of, well, in terms of cost, hard for hire a full-time person to do this, that person paid for their job twice over, just by the savings. By the savings, yeah. No, that's one, one way, one response. The second is, we have some good stuff in the town plan. I'm not sure the community, the town knows what's there or appreciates what's there in the town plan, especially as it relates to climate change. I think having something on the agenda of the town meeting gives us an opportunity to say to the community, look what we are doing, look what we have already said is important, and give us talent, the backing, the emotional, whatever backing to proceed with what we have already said in the town plan. We've said that as a select one, we haven't said it as a 10. And the third thing is that I happen to be one of those crazy people who thinks that climate change is going to be more expensive if we put it off than if we begin to address it sooner rather than later. And I would, so for those three reasons, I would respectfully suggest that, again, putting it before the people is a good thing to do. We are, so I'm just, he's done, you want to move on? I agree with you 100% on everything. I think the mechanisms are there to drive the ship, and in this case, what would happen is we would put something on the warning. Let's say if people voted it in, right? They're voting in to have a coordinator, so we're now going to be tied to this coordinator that we have no idea how much we're going to pay them, any of the details on what they're going to do for us, but we've made the commitment to six towns now that we're on board. And I agree with you, probably in the town of Hartford, having a full-time person probably does pay dividends because they have three large boroughs in that town, and they have a huge budget, you know? Well, we're just town of Bethel. We got to watch out for our budget. I'm simply saying this is what another town has done. I just, not to say it would even happen here. I'm just saying, well, we also have the option of not doing anything in the town of Bethel, and saying it's a select board. Yeah, we want to go ahead and pursue this and see what we can make out of it. I mean, we could also, yeah, we could act separate and say over the next 12, yeah, we're interested in exploring this further with neighboring communities, and we will continue to explore that, and if necessary, we'll put it in the next year's budget. We don't have to have the town permission to do that. That's an option too. Anyway, next meeting can we? All right, well, eventually we have to get the warning put together, so. Yeah, I mean, you guys have been trying to get, I mean, obviously, you didn't sign until January last year, but you were trying to get it done in case somebody wanted to, and I can look again, also look again at the, I'm gonna put that for the draft warning. I gotta look at the calendar. We have a municipal calendar that kind of lays out the deadlines for everything. So deadline for signing, warning. All right, so won't we go through the vorac? Okay, so the letter of support is just really a discussion, why I just barely saw the draft of it that was came to us and it looked good and it was going to the school because vorac can only have three letters of support and I mean, we were really, they were trying to find the fine bounds of who that could be. So one of them is gonna be signed by the school and the school board, select board, and then they were thinking about getting one from AARP and someone else. So I saw it looks good, but like I said in your report, you're not gonna see it until the grant has to go in on the 29th. So they were still kind of editing that out. But one of the things that they do need is this project resolution of commitment from the municipality for projects involving class four town highways. So this just talks about, so this, the Bethel has to sign a resolution that, and it says the Bethel select board is in full support of the project that I referred to here in, agrees to continually allow the reference recreational activity to occur on this town highway under the direction of the town for the useful life of the investment, which is determined by forest parks and recreation to be a minimum of five or 10 years, I think they're gonna say 10, from the end date of the grant agreement and the town commits to maintaining the funded recreational improvements in useful repair for their useful life as defined above. So this is something that this goal record grant is requiring, we can't get past point one. If you look in the budget, I put in a little bit of money for trail maintenance. Obviously a lot of it's done by volunteers, but I did put something in the budget that way it shows that you're... So are they saying the infrastructure that we would put into play, then obviously we would maintain that for a period of time? Right, pretty epic. That's basically what they're saying. They're gonna give us $5 million, they wanna make sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean it makes sense, right? Maybe $5 million, $500,000, they're not gonna squander it. So I have not filled in yet, just so you know exactly which town highway this is because I need to talk to Chris Fours. I know I think one of them is gonna be maybe the top portion of Ringe, but so I don't know exactly, so I know part of it's gonna be Ringe, maybe the top part of Woodland because that's near Quimby, so it's Ringe. So I haven't heard back from Chris Fours yet, so when you look at it, obviously, I haven't written in the town highway number yet because I don't know, and it's gonna be multiple. We know it's, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the top of Woodland and the top of Ringe because they're Fours. So I don't know that as he flushes out the details of the map, sure of course. So that's in addition to the support letter? Yup, so this is a whole, yeah, they're gonna do the letter of support, then this project resolution and then they gave us another letter which says the town of Bethel owns and manages a diverse set of properties in Bethel village that are currently used or designated for outgrow recreation. The town fully supports the uses and improvements to town facilities and properties described in this application. The town of Bethel will allow the public to access the properties with trail construction projects listed below for a minimum of 10 years and will maintain the investments. This is development of the multi-use outer loop trail, connected trails in the Bethel Woods trail system where it lies on Bethel Rec Center property. Construction of phase two of the skate park, the universally acceptable, acceptable accessible, excuse me, pathways, an accessible pool lift and map kiosk at the rec center. Construction of a walking trail and installation of a small map of kiosk at Carles Meadow, a rebuilding of inaccessible stairs at the River Street Bridge access point adjacent to 16 Miller Drive. The town of Bethel will allow access and maintain public access and investments for a minimum of five years for kiosk installations at Yvonne Park, River Street Bridge, Bethel Town Hall, Bethel Common, Branglair Town Forest, Pumby Town Forest, Bethel Recreation Center, Carles Meadow, I don't know where we're putting the kiosk here, but so anyway, so this has to go on town letterhead and then either all sign it or Christopher's sign it either way, but so this is, it's just what's coming together, they're flushing it out, so it just needs more and more support. So the way I read this class four commitment, maybe I'm wrong, but so if we, if part of this we build the trail system that just make it up comes out on the far end of a class four road, right? Then we have to, we're responsible for making sure that people have access to that trailhead, right? So driving once, let's say, let's say somebody wants to drive out to park to go on the trail system or something, then that means that that class four road that we may not typically maintain, we are swearing to that we are gonna maintain that road to that so that there's access in and out. I think we would still have authority to close roads. Much like they do with Lincoln Gap. Is that what I'm reading? They close a road in the winter. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't get into any more details like is it seasonal? Like can you just close it in the winter or whatnot? But it sounds like we, because there's often as Doug knows, there's a lot of class four roads in town that we don't touch, right? Unless it has, I drove up one there a few weeks ago with three. So let me tell you, my truck had a rough time getting through there. Well, it says that it just, we would have to make sure that we're, we would have to maintain. It's saying that is in full support of the project referred to here and we agree to continually allow the reference recreational activity to occur on this town highway under the direction of the town for the useful lice of the investment. So part of the resolution is that you're allowing them to use the road, which is determined. And then it says to the town commits to maintain the funded recreational improvements. So we're not agreeing to fund the road. We're saying that if we put, they put $500,000 in trails, we agree to maintain the trails. And it says if the town should allow additional improvements to the effective length of highway to accommodate uses other than the reference for recreational activity, which we know is trails, those uses shall not preclude the intended wreck activity for the stated useful lice. I think they're saying, you all of a sudden upgrade this road to a class, something else, you're still gonna allow these guys to use it as trails. But you know how it is. I mean, if we're gonna, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I mean, just if we're gonna allow access, we know that there are some class four roads that you can't get a lot of vehicles through. I think the same thing that they're saying is your, we're not, we are going to allow this activity to occur on this town highway. I think that's what we're saying. It's not actually about vehicle access. It's about outdoor recreation. No, but we know how that ties in. Sure, but I don't think this is in any way saying you have to maintain a class four road in the middle of winter so that somebody can get their bike to the trailhead. It's that you're allowing them to use the trail that's off of that road. They have to get themselves there. It's not about the maintenance of. Yeah, it sounds, basically what they're trying to do is they're protecting their investment. And if they give you money, then that's what you're doing. And so basically they're saying we've proposed a recreational trail project described generally as work to be done along this certain trail. And you have to list what the work is. You can snowshoe, you can snowshoe, and you can snowshoe on one trail. Well, you'll have to on a lot of these. You can snowshoe on one trail. You can snowshoe on one trail. That's what it said. That we're ready to continue to permit people to do that. Anyway, so you'll need a motion, a motion to adopt the project resolution of commitment from municipalities. So you'll need a motion to adopt the resolution. So moved. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. That's going around. And we're all set. You're going on record that you'll have to make sure that you'll have to maintain those roads too. I know. That'll be the next thing. When somebody can't get up that road for whatever reason. It's true. And then I'll sign this letter on the letterhead saying that you support this. So we allow access and maintain public investments for a minute. Yeah, I'll just get a reminder. Someone needs the zoning permit, so. But it is something we'll have to think about down the road. You know, we may have to put some extra money in the budget, wherever you put it, to have someone go in and get some maintenance. Well, we did, we talked about that. Most of it, the maintenance is done now, is done by volunteers for free. So, but. But the trail system is also smaller right now, where this is going to be vastly improved, you know. Yeah. And if you want to do it right, you know, might be better. I don't know if there's somebody else who's pay one fee. So I'll remind Rebecca, before we sign this, that you know, I'm not, I want to know where she's going to be out of the town hall, that kind of questioning. And just a reminder, they need zoning. Yeah, it's so easy. There's not much, not much real estate out there. That is just, it's my bad. Not much real estate out there. No, I'm not. So that's it, that's it for the VOREC. They're all good there? Yes. Yeah. Anything left on the town managers report that we didn't cover? Yeah. Now, select board meeting minutes from the eight. What a great day that was. Yeah, this is for you. This is funny. Yeah. I've been, I would have rather been here. Yeah, we all got infinity comp time after that one. Move there, sir. Just a little minor thing. Present, spelled my name wrong. Got it right in all the rest of the article. Yeah. Okay, it's wrong in the beginning. But yeah, it's a EY instead of an E, I know. Sorry, okay, it tends to break your pulse. No, sorry, I thought I should have caught it. Second. So Jean made a motion. Do you guys like it? Second. All in favor? All right, all right. Very good one there. So that's right, she can't. I didn't forget you were going to hear about it, but I forgot that. Just trying to move a little. Do whatever she wants. And you're going to have to find out. Then we had, Why don't you run that shoot? Yeah, who's it next week? Same week, dinner, breakfast. Yeah, just going to get up and go to school. Hey, I remember when I first got on the board, we had some like 10 o'clockers. It used to be like, especially budget season, like one year we were fighting the budget. We also had the town plan. Oh yeah. River corridor thing going on at the same time. We were here to like midnight every night. Like it was, I didn't see Doug that year. He was, he was at home in bed. Anything else come before the board? Now we haven't beaten to death, right? So I think we just have to make sure that the next one that we're prepared to put the bed, the town warning and the budget itself. All right. All right, just need a meeting to adjourn. So moved. Second. Okay, have a good night everybody.


Hey, this is Brett and this 2018 Chevy Silverado 3500 Crew Cab Short Box Single Re-Wheel is stock number 12980Z. I am here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, you're new and used heavy-duty truck headquarters. This 2018 Chevy Silverado 3500 has the 6.6-liter Duramax diesel engine. It's the L5P engine, which puts out 445 horsepower. This truck has been fully-safetyed and inspected by our service shop as a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off and this truck is 100% ready to go. And this thing is extremely clean. We're going to go all the way around, inside, underneath, start it up and take a look under the hood. Cajun Red Metallic is the color and I shoot all my videos in 4K. So if you have HD capabilities on your computer, tablet, smartphone, or television, I highly recommend turning them on right now because it is your best way to check out the quality, condition, options, and cleanliness of the vehicle before seeing it in person. 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Auto headlamps turned out for a little drive. And your factory brake controllers right there. Power windows, power locks, power mirrors, child safety locks for the back doors. And you get the nice silver finish on the doors there. Back seats are just as clean as the front seats. I don't even know if anybody's ever sat back here. Latch child safety system, fixed glass rear window with the built in rear defrost. Headliner is very nice. And the carpeting and floor mats back here are in excellent shape as well. Bottoms of the doors and the inside of the doors all look like new. Check out the miles radio and then we'll start it up and take a look under the hood. As you can see, this truck only has 7,057 miles. You do get a digital spinometer, compass display. Instrument cluster is very nice and clean. Comes with the leather wrapped steering wheel, Bluetooth and information center controls and the right cruise controls on the left. 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Red Bull gives you wings, eh? I'm gonna put me first. I ain't going first in this one. I remember last year I almost had a heart attack. I'm probably gonna scream. Slow down a little bit, because I think we're catching up to people. Also jump up in this one. Is it chainsaw already? Oh my god. Okay, I don't know how they did that, but I want that in my room. Oh no. Yeah, you're gonna get it. Brendan, have I ever mentioned how much I don't like you? I jumped pretty high then, I'm not gonna lie. Care to walk in front of me? Nope. I like this setup. Whoa, I did not see that coming and I have a light. You're looking in every leg whole. Yeah, scared one too many times. I think I'm scared way more than that. Oh. Good luck. Good luck. I just had a heart attack. Whoa, that map. Oh, I think this is a maze. Could I, could I, could I eat more victims in our maze? Craig, I think I need to film you. Is this the wrong way? Oh, it's the wrong way. Oh, they left us. There's a lot of people. Did they leave us here? No, they're right behind us. Oh, they gave me a choice. They gave me a choice never again. The Jays Jaws are in the maze now, so don't worry. Do we figure it out? I think you did. There's a lot of people that were lost in there. We caught up to like three groups. What do you think of Hillbilly Hike? They stayed alive. I don't know how to explain it, but they do it ever so perfectly that you expect it, but it still stays. It comes out in a different area. Yeah. Like the guy that came out of the ground, I don't know how that happened. Oh no, they have scare actors walking around now. Oh, I remember how brave you were acting before you got here. Alright, I guess we're doing the stalking dead. Brett, you only took one wrong turn in that maze. Really? I'm shocked for him. That's when we left you behind. Are you ready, Craig? That was sick. That was pretty funny. You almost became the corn. Yep. Your paychecks is other guys. Advertisement for Wonderland to stop relying on their scare actors voices? Oh, that's creepy. That's really creepy. Oh, it doesn't like your phone. He's following. I jumped and I saw that. I just almost dropped the camera. I just want to go in this. Definitely going to put in a clip of you at Howie and Hans saying you don't get scared at the beginning of this video. Camera because we both got scared there. No, that's not a bad. No, I do. I wonder if he was going there. Oh, seeing them emerge from the corn is just the creepiest thing ever.  Yeah. That was awesome.  Well, that's like a perfect example of when I say they play it really smart. You have someone that distracts you, and they can get destroyed on the other side. Wings, eh? The biggest literal jump I've ever seen. My legs are cold, like they're numb. Thing of Chills went down my body. The silence is like... I tried to hide them by turning the light away from them. Hopefully on their side. So would you...  So what'd you think? Stocking dead. If corn stalkers, corn stalkers 2.0 got together, had a baby, and injected it with steroids. You get this. Yeah, I love how Cedar Point upgraded their corn stalkers and spent a lot of money on it this year, and it still doesn't come close to this. I just got the perfect picture of today. I'm so sorry, but look. Copyright music. What's a skeleton favorite vegetable? mashed potatoes. Why? Because they stick to the ribbons. Get it? What's your name? You wanna play a game? Probably needs a nice key on to... What's your name? Sorry, that scared? Pretty good pictures. Sorry. Did he grab pictures of our signage board? I should have, we didn't... So I shall. Oh, he's back. He can stay over there. I know he's thinking he wants to do something. Oh! Nope, he heard you. It's gonna cut to you like giving him five dollars I just got jingles through this guy. Oh, he's gone. And then he became everyone. Those things are trippy. It's pretty real with the broad daylight too. Yeah, even in broad daylight it looked like... I thought for sure it was a statue. Oh, I did too. No. You're gonna be yelling the whole time.  It's a very fun place. To see all the work you put into it. And then people in the doors open it. They get to see people. Yeah. That's the fun side of it. All the hard work. And they've had people that have been here for 15 to 25 years. That's very nice. Please come again. I hope you enjoy. Just stay with us tonight. We did. Thank you.


hi guys welcome to a new vlog today's vlog i'm starting it out on a sunday afternoon after i filmed like two other videos i finished up one posted and then i filmed one about my belt bag it's like the wear and tear and i'll show you guys how dirty it is already and it's only been a month so kind of sucks but it's fine it's not the end of the world it's just like it's just a bag so um and it is nylon so it's not that big of a deal but i wanted to film it outside because it's such a beautiful day i'm in the shade and i don't know i wanted to change up the vibe on the channel before i go back inside i want to show you guys my outfit because it's such a kim possible look so i got this shirt from arizia this over here and then these are my uh like dark green pants that i got from urban outfitters and probably like i think it was 20 it was 2018 because i was still my boyfriend at that time and we went to universal with another couple that i'm still like actually friends with and i wore these and i think that was in 2018 so i've had these fans for a long long time and then i just have my white shoes on but i call this my kim possible outfit because it just gives kim possible vibes and now i just decided to come outside to edit because it's so cold inside our house today like i don't know what's on on but i'm just going to edit the vlog edit the video that i just filmed just because i've just been slacking and i need to get on the grind with things so that's what i'm gonna do now okay guys so we are going out and about to just like have some family time valerie likes to look at the grills at loads because we might get a new one i don't know what we're gonna look at but i'll take you along for the journey and really just like see what we're gonna see i think we're also gonna stop by the love sack store right valerie yeah but i think we're gonna stop at ikea too because we want to stop yeah yeah yeah because i already told you that we like in the future we'll need a new couch because we've had our couch for forever so we just kind of like want to see what they have and all the options too hey there's sherry she's feeling better i am i'm thoughts better and we're outlaws looking at some paint chips now all right so we're just gonna walk through the entire store to just like look at stuff and different furniture so i will definitely show you anything that pops out and that i want to share with you guys obviously okay guys so this stuff is really cool because it goes up and down so you can like i don't know how they're getting it to go down before but oh you just like press it it goes down and then you do this and it goes up look how cool that is valer's trying out some chairs over here she likes this one as called say oh that light you know good times but this is one of the best sections like here very cool stuff we got going on here and the ladies and i are at panera for dinner all right so slight change of plans we ended up getting taco bell because uh yeah we just want it we haven't had this in a while and like we cannot figure out like we're to eat and stuff so we got taco bell and i got my usual tacos meat only hi guys good morning sorry for the lighting just leaving my house and the sun is kind of crazy also too you can't really tell right now but it is hair washing day so my hair is all nice and clean and i'm feeling fresh we got the starbucks coupon going on because it's a tuesday i think this is this might be the last tuesday where the coupon is applied but there's half off in july on tuesdays for starbucks which is amazing i kind of go through the app and that's how i apply the discount but i'm sure you can like ask them or they should like tell you um and i'm gonna try what um my cousin's girlfriend suggested it's their favorite drink and why not get it on the day where i can get a drink half off so i'm gonna try it today and i'm gonna film it obviously for you guys there's like a lot to this order so i'm just going to flash up the picture that my cousin's girlfriend sarah sent me because it is kind of complicated and i don't want to like say it wrong so this is literally how i ordered it i'll probably show you guys like when i try so you can like screenshot my label or whatever um but i'm also going to film it for instagram because i'm gonna like tag them so they see like i tried it and stuff um so yeah i am on my way now and i'm gonna order the drink uh when i get to the stop light just because i didn't want to order it too soon you know okay so that was me trying to get the cameras to be set up together but we're in my car doing the best we can but i got the drink and let me try it now hi guys happy tuesday don't forget to go to starbucks and get your half off deal it is tuesday and it is in july so just make sure to apply the coupon at the checkout i taste similar really similar to my espresso drink very good that is a really good drink okay guys so i really like the drink it reminds me of a lighter version of my espresso drink so my espresso drink is four shots espresso four shots of vanilla and then i get the vanilla sweet cream cold foam but this is like a shake in espresso like the order a shake in espresso instead of just like ordering the just like the raw ingredients i guess so you go under the menu and you type and you put in you want to shake in espresso but then customize it so yeah i am so happy with this drink and yeah i'm just gonna get on the road and head to work i don't know how else i'm gonna film today i'm probably gonna eat out like probably go through chick filet tonight for dinner getting dinner at chick filet okay guys so it's in the evening and as you guys can see i'm at chick filet about to pay my nails that finally came off it was about that time because i hate when they start lifting and then once one goes i just have to pop them all off so popped them all off and i don't go to the nail salon until like the 30th because my nail artist she's out of town so i think i'm just gonna trim them myself because they're just so thin that they like bend and they're just really uncomfortable at this length because they're already like grown out so much i always get my nails pretty short but since they're so long and they're like so thin um i'm gonna have to trim them myself because i can't like function like this all right so how my chick filet here got my 12 count nugget meal okay so sorry for the crazy hair i did you guys so i went to cycle board class and now i'm gonna edit this video because i just want to edit it now when i have like a lot of time and i can so i'm just gonna end the video here you guys enjoyed make sure give this video a thumbs up don't forget to subscribe and i'll see you guys in my next video bye