Hello everyone, welcome to the Narc Survival YouTube channel. In this one I'm going to be talking about how narcissists like degrading sex. But before I begin, please do give this video a thumbs up down below. It helps the YouTube algorithm and it will support our community. And also I am in a hotel room so please try to ignore this image in the background. I'm not a Marilyn Monroe's order or fan but it's just there so just try to focus on the message.   But then I realised that it would have been unfair than just for me to give it that title. Because we all have sexual fantasies. I have them. You have them. And while some of those fantasies may be strange or unusual, as long as they don't lead to behaviours that are harmful or dangerous and they're not practised on an unwilling participant, then who am I to judge? And that's why I decided to rename the title of this video.   That's why it's called your mind. So if it excites you and brings you pleasure, enjoy it. I'm not judging you. What I'm talking about in this video is very different. I'm talking about degrading behaviours that are often practised with unwilling participants. Which is something that malignant narcissists typically engage in. But it's not talked about enough. And I'm sure there are many victims out there who are suffering in silence. Which is why I felt compelled to create this video.  But as I've said in previous videos, narcissists experience sexual attraction very differently to normal people. They are not sexually attracted to people in a normal social, psychological or intimate way. It's one sided, transactional and potentially even aggressive and violent. Narcissists view sex as a means of gaining power and control. Which means that the victim could be anyone. It could be someone in their own family. It could even be a child. And some narcissists may even be involved in bestiality. Where they may have sexual contact with animals or pets. In these cases the activity is abusive and harmful to the child or animal. But as we know, malignant narcissists do not care. They may have preferences for a sexual partner.  And they won't feel guilty about it. I have interviewed people who participated in incestuous relationships. As well as men who have been convicted of sexual contact with prepubescent children. And also men who have been convicted of rape. I'm not a psychologist so I can't diagnose anyone. But I would assume that they were all malignant narcissists. As each of these activities are abusive. So they showed a strong wish to do harm. I have no continued contact with either of these men. And the interviews were for educational purposes only. Of course I would never consider any further contact with anyone who was engaged in these types of activities. Unless they are undergoing intensive therapy. But even then the contact will be limited. But yes believe it or not. But bestiality is actually still legal in several countries. Including Japan, Cuba, Russia and Chile. I have never interviewed anyone who has engaged in bestiality. So my knowledge and experience is quite limited in this area. I have been a vegan for the past four years. And as many of you may know I raised my cat from the age of eight weeks. Her name is Nala and she is now six years old. So as you can probably imagine bestiality is quite a sensitive subject to me. But if anyone is watching this and they have engaged in bestiality. Or if they know anyone who is interested in having a private interview with me. I would be open to having an interview to further my knowledge. And of course I will not judge. I have been studying narcissistic personality disorder for the past five years. And I have noticed a clear pattern of behavior in the people that I interviewed. The men who were convicted of rape were all in denial. They refused to acknowledge the truth. Or they tried to justify their wrongdoing. As though there was just some misunderstanding. Probably because they know that it is shameful behavior. But then there is also the possibility that some of them aren't lying. As statistics show that between 2% and 10% of convicted individuals in US prisons are innocent. Because it is actually quite common for defendants to plead guilty to a crime that they did not commit. It's often just the claimant's word against the defendants. And the defendant is told that they will get a lighter sentence if they just plead guilty. So of course yes there is the possibility that some convicted rapists are actually innocent. But despite that there is always this pattern of denial. As though they know that their behavior is something to be ashamed of. Which is very different to what we see from those who have engaged in sexual activity with prepubescent children. Pedophiles often boast about their crimes. They're not even ashamed of what they've done. Because they're very different to rapists. Rapists tend to be malignant narcissists or sociopaths. So they will often feel embarrassment. But pedophiles tend to be psychopaths. Which means that they do not have self-esteem regulation issues which would lead them to be sensitive to ridicule. But they do experience a lot of emotional pain. Which is often what causes them to make such poor decisions. Because deep down they actually wish to be loved and cared for. But they feel that all life is worthless including their own. And unlike the malignant narcissist they actually see their crimes as their achievements. As something that they have done successfully. Rather than something that they feel bad about. If this video has been helpful to you please give it a thumbs up down below. But yes on with the rest of the topic.  But what both of them share is this drive to do anything to get what they want. And they will even use sex as a means to get it. They don't care about a person's age or gender. They are predators. They ruthlessly exploit people.  Whether they're children you had from a previous relationship. Or even the narcissist biological child. They will sexualize them at a young age. They will dominate them and they may molest them. They may also try to take them away from you. Because they just don't care about anything. They don't value anything in life.  And they lack empathy.  They will groom the child until they get to a certain age. And then they will exploit them.  And it's so that they feel like they've established a position of control. They use sex as a weapon. As a tool to destroy people. Which is why if you are involved with a narcissist the topic of conversation will always be about sex.  And they're entertaining multiple sources of supply. They will want to keep sex in the back of your mind. Because they think that it's an effective tool to control you. But the irony is that they are always the initiators or the conductors. Because they're controlled by sex. Which is why everything is always centered around it. And by the end of it you will end up hating sex. You will view it as something that just doesn't even mean anything. Because they always force you to think about things you don't want to think about. Or to do things that you don't want to do. They make you feel like you have to do it. As though there's no other option. Because they want to destroy your hopes and ambitions.  Which is why they will dominate you sexually. And it may not always be physically but psychologically. Until you struggle to trust anyone. You just want to isolate yourself. After they've done all of these degrading things to you. And then they disappear. And you don't know who they're dealing with. Because some of them. Definitely not all of them. But some of them are actually very physically attractive. So it's very easy for them to find other and suspecting sources of supply. And they will leave you without any closure. Without a reason or explanation for why they did what they did. Which of course leaves the door open for them to come back. But they will try to have make up sex with you. And they will coerce you into not using protection. And then you end up getting an extra guy. Which is just another part of the abuse. Because they will often do this deliberately to control you.   They lack empathy. And they have difficulties with intimacy. So they don't care about your perspective. They may not even care if you want it or not. All they're concerned about is their experience. And gaining power and control over you. But ironically enough. Despite all of these weird sexual fantasies and urges. They're never satisfied. So they often become vindictive and hold onto grudges. Where they feel anger and resentment.  When all they may really want is just to have sex with you. But then at the same time they can't stand the thought. Of you experiencing something that they can't. So it just builds the frustration and resentment. Which they then take out on you. And there's just no way for them to resolve it. Because even if they try to use make up sex as a way in. And as a means to control you. They still have to see you getting something out of it. So it's like a catch-22. It's a lose-lose situation. Which is why they will often just leave and try to triangle it with a new source of supply. But even then they're still not satisfied. Because it's just another illusion. It's no different to what they displayed in the beginning to you. And even then it's likely that they're dealing with someone of their own kind. So they're probably just being manipulated and used as well. And this is just what perpetuates the cycle for them. Where it's like they never end and hunt for supply. But they never end up getting what they want. Because they just can't be satisfied. Which is how they end up with sexual degradation. Where instead of them being able to appreciate and value their sexual experiences with you. They end up engaging in behavior that demeans, dehumanizes. And reduces your dignity and self-worth. And typically in a sexual context. And because of this you may experience shame. You may blame yourself. You may feel guilty. You may feel like it has something to do with you. Which is what they want you to think. Because of course they love to shift the blame. They love to deflect the shame and dodge any accountability for their actions. But it isn't you. They just can't be satisfied with normal human relations. They have difficulty with intimacy. They can't be vulnerable. So the only joy they can find is in degrading you and making you feel worthless. When it's just a projection of how they feel. Because they know there's something seriously wrong with them. Which is why when you heal from the abuse and you're able to trust again. You will find someone who values and appreciates you. And you will realize why it never worked out with them. Because all they're concerned with is power. Because they're very insecure. They're shame-based people who are doing everything they can to avoid reflecting on their shame. So they end up sexually assaulting you to take away your power. They smear your name. They do everything they can to take power away from you. Because they're weak and insecure. But in the process of trying to destroy you. They actually end up destroying themselves. Because they have to destroy themselves first. In order to pull you down with them. But many of them don't even care.  All they're concerned about is the moment and their own personal gratification. They're not thinking about the future. It doesn't even cross their minds. They don't even care about themselves. So why would they care about you or anyone else? Thank you for watching. If you found this video helpful, please give it a thumbs up. 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One day on a home that they can live and have a comfortable place they can call home. The government came up with the big four agenda and affordable housing was one of them. And as we try to find ways to achieve this, technology and new innovations have done so well in providing solutions to the same plan. Here is the feature on the EPS materials. Affordable housing in Kenya is on the height to implement the big four agenda as enshrined in jubilee parties work plan. Affordable housing one of the key agendas has been on the receiving is on the height to implement the big four agenda as enshrined in jubilee parties work plan. Affordable housing one of the key agendas has been on the receiving end as many Kenyans claim not to understand how it will benefit them. Working with the private sector we will deliver half a million decent and affordable homes to working Kenyans in the next five years. We will make owning a home an opportunity that every Kenyan of modest income can afford. Home ownership is a path to the middle class. It will become, it will now become an accessible part of the Kenyan dream. Importantly the delivery of the new homes will also create hundreds of thousands of new jobs. The move awakens the private sectors in the housing industry to try as much as possible to incorporate technology towards achieving decent housing in Kenya. We will implement the big four agenda as enshrined in jubilee parties work plan. Thank you. Mambu kama loks na mambu mengine kama hai, itengezwe hapa, sininam na hiu. Wana inchiwe tu piwa wa pati kazi hiu, sininam na hiu. I take a visit to a factory site in Syukimawu, where I meet Hanfrio go to the head of the factory at Koto housing, who is championing the use of EPS. Koto housing came into being in Kenya five years ago. The whole concept was that there is an easier way of building as opposed to the traditional way of building. The whole concept was to get modular housing that you can build fast and in large volumes. So the local partners who are in Kenya went and partnered with the parent company in Malaysia where is the home of Koto. And Koto is not a Kenyan name. It comes from Malaysia and we work as a franchise of Koto Malaysia. Malaysia is a key company.  So once the idea had been formed, they went ahead and went to Malaysia and spoke to the person who had the franchise for this product. Once they had conceptualized the idea and they made the order for the machines, I joined them about four or five months later to come and do the implementation of their dream. This new technology comes with a bunch of advantages as Koto says it suits well with all regions even those vastly affected with floods. If you look at EPS as being the building, then there is a misconception. EPS is just a formwork to hold the concrete. Any EPS building, any panel building is actually a concrete structure. Based on what, the strength is derived from the concrete which has been tested. For many years it is something which is well known, the properties are known, everything about concrete, people know. So we are not changing that. The only way is the way we are presenting the concrete and the way we are casting the concrete. So what we make is permanent formwork. On the permanent formwork you are able to pour the concrete and hold the columns and beams. Our structures are column and beam structures. We have ring beam at the bottom with columns coming to the top ring beam. On top of the ring beam you may have another floor which is a slab or you may put a conventional roof. So the strength of the panel has nothing to do but the strength of the building. The strength of the building is determined by the concrete that you pour and the reinforcements. Expanded polystream EPS is a light with cellular plastic material consisting of small holospherical balls. It is this closed cellular construction that gives EPS its remarkable characteristics. EPS is produced in a wide range of densities providing a varying range of physical properties.   The only thing that might be sucking water is a plaster which is attached to the EPS. But by and large if you use a raft foundation on that the area of contact, the EPS vis-a-vis a standard slab, the area of contact is much reduced. We'll only have the beams which will be able to draw the water from the ground source. And therefore your house will be much drier. We're not saying it's going to be 100% dry but you need to make special considerations especially if it is a swampy place so that you can mitigate the dampness that is coming from the ground. Afri takes me through the process involved to get this precious commodity in. I'd like to begin with the process of making beads and the EPS. Behind me is the first machine in our process. This is what we call the pre-expander. On this machine we convert the raw material which comes in this size which is like a fine salt. That's the raw material. We come from this material. It's really small. Yeah, very small. Actually it's called a salt because of the size and the grain, the texture. It is very tiny. And what normally happens in this machine is that you introduce heat and this is blown 40 times to the size of this other material here. This one here. This is now the expanded beads. Between the first one and this one the expansion reaches 40 times. So what it means is that the bag that you see behind you there is expanded into 40 times. It fills two sides. Yes. On this machine we have steam coming in through these pipes here. This one is on that one. Those ones bring the steam into the barrel. That's the expansion barrel at the back. It is weighed at the top, 17 kilos per cycle and then it comes into the expanding chamber. From there the steam mixes with the beads, the small size beads. After mixing with the beads it will expand. That expansion is about 40 times and after it's expanded then it's taken out in cycles in batches. A batch taking how long maybe about two or three minutes for each cycle. The batch has gone through the machine. It is now taken to the silo. The silo is made of a porous net. The reason being that the excess blowing agent which is painted which is embedded in the raw material is allowed to escape. If we were to use it direct then it would mean that whatever we make will still be expanded so it will end up being distorted. So that's why the cycle time is at. Today you give it 24 hours. After 24 hours is when you take it to the next process. And during the 24 hours the excess painting escapes naturally. That is why the silos are left open and whatever is escaping escapes naturally. For our parhouse which has got our boiler it has a compressor it has the cooling water which are the three components which are used in the next machines. The boiler that we have apart from the boiler we have what we call the accumulator. It's like a drum for the steam so once you come from the boiler you take it into the accumulator. It's a reservoir for steam so that when you're using the steam the fluctuation is reduced is reduced by virtue of having that storage. So it allows the boiler to run for long periods and then it stores the steam. When the steam has reached enough then you can now start using the machine.  This is a diesel banner which is sparring the boiler. You feed in your diesel from the tanks through the pipes that you can see on this end that is your infield to the banner. And then the water is coming from the back of the boiler. It comes into the boiler. It is heated then it leaves through those two pipes. The pipe that you see at the top that one at the top goes straight to the receiver and from there now you can distribute. That is a boiler that takes care of the steam side of things. On the other side we have the compressors. The blue ones, these are two compressors 37 kilos each. We have divided them into two for the simple reason that we can face. If we are running all machines we run both. If we are running part of the plant we can run one compressor. And same as the steam the compressor has an accumulator at the top which stores the air. It's a reservoir for air. So whenever you switch on the compressor the compressor fills the reservoir and then you take your air from the reservoir into the machines the machines which are now producing the pannas. You see the two blue pipes at the top those ones are for cooling water because once we have cast the pannas you need to cool the mold so that you can remove whatever you formed inside the mold which I'm going to show in a minute.  All three elements come into this machine. We have now the beads from the pre-expander. Now we are going into the block molding machine. This is a block molder. This produces the individual units of the panel. So each panel is produced in the mold. You see this one is here. This one will generate the hole inside the mold. So this one once you are running the machine it will close and this will be filled with beads. It will introduce steam through those pipes at the bottom. That steam is going to make the beads fuse. Once the heat fuses the beads then you need to remove the product from the mold. So you open the machine and through this eject us in here which will push the product out. It will fall to the ground and put a canvas here to give it a soft landing. It will fall. Each cycle takes about 130 seconds and you get four pieces. This mold has got 130 seconds. That is what it is. And for each machine there are different sizes of molds and different lengths. This is the product that you would get. It comes out of the machine that way. This product represents the cause that we have seen and then this would fall to the ground once the mold reaches the end. The one that you are seeing here is a 200mm panel. From here to here is 200mm. From that end to this end is 1.2 meters. That's a block now. This is now the individual block which we are going to compile two or three of them to make a panel. There are some panels we can actually coat this especially over the lento. We can put a single one between the lento and the wall plate to be the space of 300mm. This module here is 300mm. That is 1.2 and this is 200mm. Yes. We have four varieties. There is one with 150mm. There is one with 1.8mm. So we have 200mm by 1.2mm and we have 150mm by 1.2mm. We can sense the two machines that you see here. These two are 1.2 machines. The length, this one here. The target is something concrete especially on external walls. For internal walls you have an option. You can leave some of them open because there is no danger of there is no security risk per se. What we are doing here we are burning the sun. We are burning the sun because of the new polygonic matter and we filter the sun to the size that we require. It is a particular size that we need for us to have a uniform coating which is not going to be affected by any decay because our coatings are not mixed with water. We mix it to the polygons later on which would react to any damage that is why we have to try and that is the sun. We put in sun for manen that comes to achieve to the people. The sun has been filtered and dried and even for the ratios that we make, we need to use dry sun, not the one in the world. And then from here now we add the chemicals and the cement to make a plaster that one which is going to coat the pannas we are going to coat them and put a reinforcement so that we have a 45 plaster. Now this is the next process in our process which is the coating process. Here is where we coat the pannas is that we make one pannas. After we joint them into several pieces we bring them together in front of me is the reinforcement. This is a 5-ish we have different sizes we have different sizes what manen happens you plaster coat this machine it goes to the head and it is plastered we give it a finish but you get so once we have done that we put it on the frame and then we give it 36,000 or so like this one we are doing is the second coating what you see here is the coating process that is what makes it continues to make it which has got a dry part and a wet part the two of them in the tube and it is quite easy because this thing one of this is like 1.6km it is about 30 kilos so the challenges and the volume as opposed to the weight with stone is the other way round stone is small but very dense so this normally marks this process after curing the government has taken precedence in using this technology and one of the notable project is in Kajadu County where the EPS Matijus are used to build police housing project meet Mark Mwisha the marketing director at Kota Housing he proudly talks of his 3 bedroomed house built using the EPS Matijus well since you finished the factory now here is where you come when you want to build a house where the ones who actually do sell you the technology we explain to you about the technology what is the advantage of this how long will it take you to build see in construction it has only taken a longer period of building when you are building using the brick and mortar whereas with this house that you are looking at here which we built in the Kota panels you are looking at about 4 to 5 weeks from foundation to completion and you are moving to your house and it is a very strong house because as you see in the panels within those cavities or the co-holes we reinforce with steel bars and concrete so you are creating a series of columns throughout your structure so any building that has a series of columns within the world is a very strong building as I informed you earlier this house actually took us 4 weeks 4 weeks so you look at about 30 days pushing at most give it about 6 weeks because it also depends on the type of finishes you want you look like a person who likes high end finishes so I might push an extra week so it took us about 4 weeks to finish this particular house now why I would opt you to actually take into this technology one, if you are going to get a house within a period of 4 weeks and it is a permanent structure after being built you cannot even tell the difference between the convention on this one it is a bonus for you 2, you have to understand the materials are not very heavy they are actually light so I do have to consider doing a very hard foundation I do have to excavate all the way to down because basically mostly you find most money is lost when you are doing the foundation because if the rock is about 3 meters deep if you are going to fill that with hardcore that could be the cost of another house so you will do maybe what we call a floating foundation labor actually we never had more than 9 people and we still finished in a breaking period of 4 weeks so there are many advantages if you look at this house we are in right now this is like a 3 bedroom and as you can feel the temperature is cool now it means like this to do it because the EPS does not transfer code from the outside into the house and then you also find that since you have the columns in cases where they are tremors now this kind of technology actually does prevent the house from actually collapsing if in a place where there are earthquakes and stuff like that which in Kenya we are lucky we don't have so apart from the insulation qualities this material does not absorb water which means you can even finish with a wallpaper and you won't see like the kawaii when you do with a brick and mortar what will happen water is absorbed from the outside then it starts boiling over from the inside which makes the wallpaper now come out so basically with this you never have those kind of effects absolutely let me tell you what makes the house now be unstable one you are trying to build in a fast pace trying to compete with this technology which is in stone and mortar which you can't you have to give time for your walls to settle and with the EPS as I told it is light so basically even though I do my slab the chances of my wall being very heavy is not there it is actually very light then another thing you also have to look at with the brick and mortar compared to this technology is the different ways which we can build we have in this kind of different ways you can build I could decide if I am doing a story building I do the conversion of columns and beams that's a superstructure then as you've seen my panels you've seen how light you can carry one person I use that as infields and I use the slabs which means my building will be lighter so the chances of my house collapsing my friend dude not in this lifetime now with this technology as I've been experimented this technology can actually withstand winds of about 360 km per hour that's a hurricane as it do definitely where the technology began was in Malaysia you know the change the weather just changed just like that it could be something like this then over time it's a very huge storm with major winds and if you look at this technology back in Malaysia it started back in 1974 and that was a still standing my house here is 7 years old now 6 years old since we built it and look at it, it's still standing there's been rain, there's been what so it has gone through all elements and it still stands strong basically with my technology you only have one disadvantage just one? just one, I'll be honest basically if you have something good you have something good so I have to tell you for sure the only disadvantage in my technology is that once I've finished building the house according to your plan in 10 years time maybe I want to add an extra room here you have to tell us in advance we can make the provisions because since I have a series of columns I cannot cut the columns and then put a door because basically what happens I'm messing with the structural integrity of the building so basically my major flaw is that once the house is completely locked it is locked let's not talk about expanding upwards or sideways Karibu san, when am I building your house? let me think about from brick and mortar to EPS material you can get your house in for weeks like three bedroom house three weeks you can imagine things we were doing in months and probably in years now you can do it in weeks technology has really changed and as we speak about affordable housing this is one thing that needs to be put in consideration I hope you have learned something and you're going to this new technology because times are changing and we also need to change with time my name is Dereva Hilary very well there you have it times are changing and so we need to change with time Khemani Karangia from Kana Maim Tuapa thank you so much for keeping us company and others who watched this feature and this program many things for keeping us company I will now be leaving you in the safe hands of Kendra Elbis and DJTS Kaonwaimashariki I'll be seeing you again next week on Monday until then have yourself a very good night and a productive week ahead thank you my name is Dereva Hilary


Bobobar, Bobobar before the big workout. All right, made it to Leadville, Colorado. We're back to 10,200 feet above sea level. This city, it used to be a big city. It used to be a mining town, big mining town, was founded in the 1800s. And yeah, we're high up here. I am seeking out a dirt road. I believe it's just above the city here for these 1k repeats. So this is a key workout for the marathon training block leading in Amsterdam. I can't believe it. Yeah, it's time to go anaerobic and you better believe we will go anaerobic at 10,200 feet above sea level. So I just got to find this road here and get the warm up in and then rock and roll. It's a little chilly up here. I knew that was going to be a possibility. A little breezy, not too bad. I think the wind is actually dying down a little bit, which is nice as the day moves on. But oh man, let's rock and roll. All right, gonna have a little a light lunch with a Bobobar, a Unibed gel and get this get this energy going here. So we're almost there. Everyone here are the shoes options and we are we're ready everyone. Here we go. So I'm going to warm up in the beacon v2s. And then yes, most likely I brought a couple options, the carbon Xs, the next percent, you better believe it. But also the 5280s, in case I just felt I haven't tried them out yet, the new balance 5280s, I'm probably not. They're probably going to have to wait until after Amsterdam, but I might hop in a couple Ks at the very end in those. But most likely it's likely it's going to be mostly in these 4%. All right, let's lace up. There it is. Nice warm up. Then I'll get the strides in. And I almost forgot everyone in a package, a couple packages arrived before I left from my house in Denver. So let's open this one up real quick. Hold on. There we go. So I splurged a little bit. I foresee Leadville being a go to spot for me for training in the future. The elevation, the dirt roads, the views, the beauty. It's incredible. So I couldn't resist. That's right. Picking up this book. Oh yeah, the Leadville runner. Hopefully you can see that. So this book, I just fell in love with it when I saw it at the City on a Hill coffee shop here in Leadville. And just look at the maps and the detail for all these runs around Leadville. So anyway, and it has a lot of great pictures as well. A lot of beauty in there. So I just couldn't resist picking it up. Oh man, so I've perceived 2020 being a Leadville and it's easy access from Denver. It's not too far away from Denver. So anyway, I just wanted to mention that arrived and okay, here we go. It's time folks to lace it up. Time to rock and roll. This is why I always pack a towel in my car because you just never know where you're going to have to roll out a little bit. So like I said, Leadville is becoming a little bit of a training ground for me. So back to staying here tonight in a new motel. I can tell this one's a little nicer to actually quite a bit nicer than the last one. And yes, I've got my dinner here in the cooler. I'm going to show you. So I'm getting quite a few questions as far as like what I eat in between big efforts and I am staying here tonight so that I can do my last big long run before Amsterdam. So I'll show you what I'm eating and about it being about a boom. Let's just get get unpacked here and put that there. Get the cooler. Man, everybody. Let's see, where should I put this? Maybe this guy? Okay. Okay, everyone. Here it is. Can you see all this? I know it doesn't look like much, but I feel like it's a good amount. So I got my salad from home with chicken inside. I won't open it up right now, but with chicken inside for my protein. So there that's in there. Let's see. And then I've got my Unibed recovery mix drink mixed up in here. It's chilling off with some ice. Then a banana, a bobo bar, hard boiled eggs. I also get my protein from hard boiled eggs. I love it. I often put hot sauce on them at home, but I don't have any hot sauce. That's okay. Did I already mention this green drink?  Celery, kiwi, kale, apples. Oh man, can't wait for that.  Like I love not almonds, but pecans back at home as well. So these are pomegranate flavored pistachios with some cherries and black pepper and pomegranates in there as well.  And this all this will set me up. I know because I've been doing it for a long time. Set me up well for tomorrow. So there you go. All right, enough talking. Time to eat. All right, everyone. We are wrapping up this vlog. Let me just grab a quick chair here. Tip of the day. Ask the motels or hotels you're staying at if they have a bathtub for ice baths or epsom salt baths. I forgot to ask this motel, but sure enough they do. So that is a bonus. So that is my tip of the day. I'm just raising up the camera a little bit here. Sorry about that. Okay. So anyway, that's the tip of the day. Just got done with an epsom salt bath, got the food in me. We're going to wrap this blog because I need to get to bed because yes, another big run here in Leadville in about, well, what time is it? About 15 hours from now. So I'll get going and let me just pull up the workout from today. 12 by 1k with 90 seconds rest. Now some of the 90 second rests were a little off because I was, I'm still figuring out the polar V watch and so I couldn't quite see. Anyway, there was a range between 80 and probably 100 seconds of rest just so you know for the 12 by 1k.  And I don't, I don't really know what I'm looking at here. I'm just going to read some stats too. So it's 15 miles total, a three mile warm up, a three mile cool down, 12 by 1k with a, you know, very slow jog in between each rep. And it looks like my heart rate. Okay, this is cool. So you know, anyway, I'll just, I'm just going to read this. And this is straight from the watch transferred to Strava. Looks like my, my max heart rate was 198. So that's as far as I know, I believe heart rate folks out there, I believe that's pretty high. And that's what I wanted. I wanted it to be very, very high. That might have been, it looks, if I'm reading this correctly, based on this graph, it looks like it was the 12th rep, which I feel like makes sense. I was trying to close hard. And because the, yeah, it looks like it was the 12th rep that it got up to 198. Let's see what else, what else. So the times were between and I wasn't looking at my watch. It was all by feel. And I will say that out of the 12, probably only three of them felt pretty relaxed and smooth, you know, my leg, I still feel the race in my legs. And so I was fighting it a little bit trying to keep the, keep the effort strong. But then it was the third rep. I remember the third rep where I felt upright, I felt strong and smooth. And I think it may have even been my fastest rep. So I, my range in time for the 1k repeats at 10,200 feet. And the course was 60% dirt, maybe 70% dirt. And then 30% pavement. You kind of saw the pavement there at the end. So I went between three, uh, 305 was the fastest. And I believe that was my third rep. And then the slowest was my first rep, 312. I had a couple of the 312s mixed in there. Most of them were between, I would say like 308 and 310 as far as the time. So again, I don't know exact, I'm not an interval trainer. But I feel all I know is I was breathing hard. And that's what I wanted. And by the end, but like the last three, I was starting to get tired. I was like, okay, I could do more, but I don't, I didn't see a purpose to that. I wanted to do at least 10 and no more than 12. But by the 12th one, I was definitely tired, especially with the long run to tomorrow. So there you go. I'm trying to think 12 by 1k, fastest 305, slowest 312. We're at 10,000 feet, 90 seconds rest. I feel good. I feel good about it. It's like, it's a good effort. It's not the most important workout in my training regimen. As you know, I'll do one more threshold on Wednesday, this upcoming Wednesday. Very excited about that. And then it's basically, basically I'll do a couple more tempo, like just very baby stuff, but we're basically honing in here. We're honing in here. So thanks for listening to that. I know I didn't get a ton of filming in because I'm up here by myself. So it's a little hard to film the actual 12 by 1k. I was very focused on the task at hand here in Leadville, Colorado. And yes, the books that I am reading right now are down below in the description in case you're interested in picking up the Leadville runner, or I'm also reading a book about the New York City Marathon right now as well. They're down below. But if you want to support a local author, and especially if you're interested in running the Leadville 100 someday, any day, this I can tell. Now, I haven't read the book so I can, okay, I can't fully endorse it, but I can just tell that this is really well done with great maps, a lot of great descriptions, great photos as I already mentioned. And if you want to train for the Leadville 100, I would suspect that this would be an incredible resource for that. So anyway, there's a shot from actually near Univista where I grew up.  It's Justin Talbot. Yes, Justin Talbot. So again, it's available down below. Support our local runners, our local authors out there, guys and ladies making a difference in the running world. So I'm glad I picked this up from Amazon. And I love you all. I think that is it. Oh my goodness, question of the day. I haven't asked this question of the day. I think in six months. So this is going to be great. What is your, okay, you have two options. What is your all-time favorite running book? Or what is your current, what are you currently reading that is running related? Okay. So those are your two options for the question of the day. Obviously, right now, tonight as I pass out here in Leadville, I'm going to be reading the Leadville Runner. All right, everyone, that is it for today. In fact, I'm going to toss it back to that last discussion six months ago where we talked about running books on the right, and then on the left, I'm going to toss it back to the last time I was in Leadville just about two weeks ago where I did some training up here as well. All right, you guys are the best. I love you. See beauty, work hard and love each other. See you tomorrow.


Good afternoon and welcome to the GSA Town Hall on the report of vision for NSF Earth Sciences 2020-2030, Earth in Time, which was released in May. For those of you not familiar with the U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, we are a private nonprofit institution that provides independent objective analysis and advice to the U.S. to solve complex problems and to inform public policy decisions related to science. A few reminders for the audience. For today's Town Hall, we will provide a short presentation on the Earth in Time report, which will be followed by comments on relevant activities from some of our GSA division leaders. After that, we'll open it up for discussion amongst all participants. We welcome your comments. Please use the raise hand feature for comments so that we can call on you and ask you to unmute. We can also put comments or questions into the chat. We will be monitoring that as well. Before we begin, I'd like to introduce a few terms we'll be using. NSF is the National Science Foundation. GEO is the Directorate for GEO Sciences, one of seven directorates within NSF. There are four divisions within the GEO Directorate, covering ocean sciences, atmospheric and geospace sciences, polar programs, and the focus of this committee, Earth Sciences, EAR. EAR asked the National Academies to develop a vision for Earth Sciences in the coming decade. The committee organized by the academies was charged with three tasks. First, to identify a concise set of high priority science questions to advance Earth Science research. Second, to assess Earth Science infrastructure, including current infrastructure and future needs. Third, to discuss partnerships with other agencies within and beyond NSF that could maximize EAR's ability to address the priority questions. In addition, the academies convened a workshop to address future management models for geodetic and seismological capabilities. For each requested study, committee members are chosen for their expertise and they serve pro bono to carry out the study statement of task. The report that results from the study represents the consensus view of the committee and must undergo external peer review before it is released, as did this report. The committee reflected a breadth of expertise in Earth Sciences, including physical, chemical and biological perspectives, focus on the Earth's interior, surface processes and climate, and laboratory, computational and field based approaches. George Garals and Donna Whitney will present the report findings today. Others such as our Chair Jim Yoder and many other committee members who have joined the meeting are happy to participate in the open discussion after the GSA representatives. I'll pass it to Donna to discuss more about the report. In the report, we highlight the fact that Earth is a system, of course, and that there are many important processes that cross what NSF or EAR could be administrative boundaries. And it's really important that EAR continue its important work of enhancing research as an integrated system so that administrative barriers don't get in the way of important research that crosses these boundaries. We also, in the report, really highlight the urgency of this moment and for the foreseeable future. We call it an all hands on deck moment to also emphasize the fact that we need everybody. We need diverse inclusive groups working in many different ways that optimize creativity and impact of the research and education. And then of course this is inextricably related to the infrastructure that we use and the methods that we use. And so all of this needs to be considered in terms of who's an earth scientist, you know, how do we do earth science and what do we need in the decade to come. On the next slide, we have an introduction that will lead to the science priority questions that you saw as part of our statement of task. We know that integrating themes of these priorities that we identify in the report relate to Earth as a system that the interconnectedness of deep and shallow of deep time and the present and thinking about the future. All the technological advances that we need in terms of measurements and modeling. And I'll go along with that in terms of data. And, you know, earth sciences, in terms of EAR a lot of it is fundamental earth science research basic research, but they're there's societal relevance to too much of what we do. And so again that that relates to the urgency of this moment. I highlight also that the key insights will come from strong disciplinary research programs. And, you know, we're about to look at the 12 questions that we came up with but a really important point is that that these are just representative that there will be participated discoveries that that may be incredibly important to what we do in the next decade. So in the next slide we have our, our 12 questions that was part of our result of our statement of task and note that we were asked to come up with questions, not not just themes as in previous decadal surveys. So we, these are organized, as you can see from the core to the clouds with examples from many different aspects of the earth systems, and highlighting some some of the key questions that we think need further study and are poised for transformation in the next decade. And I don't know if you've looked at these yet but of course some of them look deceptively simple, you know what is an earthquake, but I hope that yeah you'll see that some of these really are interesting in terms of what they imply about what we've learned in the last decade or so, and what we're poised to do in the next decade. And so these are quite diverse questions that touch many of us in earth sciences. So we hope, we hope as a committee that will lead to a lot of discussion and creativity in the coming decade. Now George, Carol, so we'll present the rest. Okay, so thank you very much so we addressed the facilities and infrastructure component of the report, pretty much following the task we call we had three task components we were to identify the needed infrastructure to it that's needed to address the questions and we did that within the science questions. And then we are asked to evaluate the existing infrastructure that supported by EAR, and then to analyze the capability gaps what future infrastructure would be needed to address the science priority questions. So we found that we are able to do a good job of describing the infrastructure that exists the different facilities and the whole portfolio of infrastructure but we found it difficult to evaluate the effectiveness of the infrastructure, especially kind of top down broader view, how effective is the infrastructure in being able to address the science priority questions and so we offer this as one of our first recommendations, which is that EAR supported facilities and the entire portfolio of EAR supported infrastructure should be regularly evaluated using stated criteria. It should be helpful to prioritize future investments to perhaps sunset facilities as needed, and to adapt to changing science priorities. So next slide please. And so these are the recommendations that we have come up with in the report and we should point out two different things before jumping into these one is that all of these recommendations these initiatives come from white papers from workshops and reports that have been assembled, mainly during the past decade, and that we we list these recommendations not so much in terms of priority or importance, not not at all. What we're trying to do is just show the degree to which the community or the initiative is ready to go. And so our top left ones there those three we would view those as being shovel ready. These would include NSF support for a national consortium 4G or chronology, a very large multi anvil press community facility and a near surface geophysics center. We also suggest that EAR should support continued community development of the SSZ4D initiative. And then moving down the list EAR should encourage the community to explore a continental critical zone initiative, and a continental scientific drilling initiative. And then EAR should facilitate a community working group to develop the mechanisms for archiving and curation of currently existing and future physical samples, and for funding such efforts and this last one is one that we heard a lot about on the community input survey as being a critical need within many earth science departments in the country just unable to to handle the need to do this. We offer two recommendations with respect to cyber infrastructure and we also received a lot of community input about the need for EAR to address these possibilities so EAR should initiate a community based standing committee to address EAR regarding cyber infrastructure needs and advances and EAR should develop and implement a strategy to provide for fair practices within community based data efforts. And next slide please. So perhaps slightly different from has what has been done in the past we we we view human infrastructure as an essential component for what it takes to do cutting edge earth science research. And we offer these two recommendations that EAR should commit to long term funding that develops and sustains technical staff capability stability and competitiveness and this is one we also heard a lot about in community input survey. And at the bottom but by no means lower priority in fact this is one that really threads through all of our, all of our science questions recommendations and partnerships is that EAR should enhance its existing efforts to provide leadership, investment and centralized guidance to improve diversity, equity and inclusion within the earth science community. Okay, and some final thoughts is to mention again that we, we consider the EAR mission is more critical than ever. It's a very urgent time in earth sciences, and that the priority questions that we, we propose based a lot on community input. We think illustrate the significance breadth and magnitude of the challenges and opportunities for research from 2020 to 2030. And that implementing these recommendations including the infrastructure recommendations that George just mentioned isn't just about a commitment of funding though of course that's very important, but really thinking about how we do things.  We already does as a leader in many ways in investigating the earth as a system with the interconnectedness of different spheres. And we think it's that we're in a really good position to poise next decade of innovative research, and we hope that this report will, will help guide conversations about about what to do next. Next slide. So, we've invited representatives from GSA divisions to talk briefly two minutes each about how their division activities might connect to some of the themes of the report, and we hope that this will help lead into a broader discussion. So we appreciate the time for these representatives of these divisions, and we thank them in advance for for what they're about to contribute to start with Jim Russell from the continental drilling division. Hello, thanks for asking us to do this and for organizing it. Thanks to all of the committee members for all the efforts and putting that document together it was really energizing to read it in many ways so I think the continental scientific drilling division is a, is a relatively new division we've we're in our third year as a division now. And what we do is try to provide an intellectual hub for scientists who are exploring the Earth's continental crust. The continental scientific drilling is really more of a tool than a science, but that tool promotes a really, really diverse array of observations and ways to answer a really diverse set of questions so certainly scientific drilling projects investigate the Earth's climatic biological and biogeochemical evolution. We, we promote science investigating subsurface life and chemical cycles volcanic processes earthquake processes so. So a lot of the questions that are really, you know, really well expressed in the in the earth and time report or things that are promoted by by drilling. Also, we try to provide opportunities for sessions networking events we we have distinguished lectureships we we fund student research projects on these topics. Obviously an area we'd like to see follow up on is this recommendation that he or should encourage the community to explore a CSD initiative. We've had a number of meetings over probably the last decade about what such an initiative might, might look like. And over the summer we organized another workshop and now some members of the division as well as people outside the division have organized a sort of a task force to kind of think about what that objective and initiative might might look like. So that's sort of where we are and what we're doing. Okay, thank you while we're waiting for Donna to unmute. Maybe I'll. There we go Donna. Yeah, I think we'll just go to the next one though right and we'll we'll have the different reports and then and then discuss so there's Juliet Krider from GSA structural geology and tectonics division. Yes, thanks everybody and thanks for the invitation to participate in this panel. I'm Juliet Krider, and I represent the structural geology and tectonics division of GSA. We, our organization is celebrating our 40th anniversary this year, and I say our members are engaged in almost all of the priority research questions listed in this document so we represent a diverse selection of research interests in this and I think that the most important thing I'd like to say today is that the facilities instrumentation and infrastructure investments are really essential to keep our science moving forward. So some of the things that we're doing at this meeting include a linked series of link disciplinary sessions today and tomorrow on the SC 4D community initiative, building a vision and a plan for investigating the systems in space and time, followed the at the end of tomorrow by a town hall meeting in which we will solicit community input and important earth and time themes in this effort include cross geo partnerships with oceans and atmosphere. As we're looking at crossing the land sea boundary the solid earth and the atmosphere boundaries to to understand the evolution of subduction zones will need geochronology topography material characterization geophysics and data management tools to be successful in this endeavor. Another community initiative that's come out this year is the rapid response to pandemic restrictions in terms of conducting traditional field geology instruction online. There was a tremendous need and a tremendous community effort of the last six months to make this possible. And the results of that effort can be seen in sessions yesterday and today about how the problem was solved. Important earth and times themes here are cyber infrastructure, but also very importantly human infrastructure and equity and inclusion in in field geology training. We have nearly 90 technical sessions and other events at GSA this year, and our priorities in general are supporting the breadth and diversity of structural geology and tectonics research, but also increasing the diversity of structural geology and tectonics researchers. So a few things we'd like to see have a conversation about and follow up is ensuring that there is continued access to these major national facilities by individual PIs and students and maybe thinking about how to lower the barriers to access for those to those research facilities. We'd like the Earthscope ages model where individual students could apply for a small amount of funds to work at a different institution at a geochronology lab. We also think that continued training and professional development for researchers at all career stages is important to enable us to make the most rapid advances possible. So, that would be something interesting to talk for us to talk about. And finally, the tectonic community put a big effort into a major planning and visioning document just a few years ago that should say 2018. And we're still synthesizing and digesting the cores report, but it'd be interesting to talk about how this new report maps on to the priorities that our community has established. Thank you. Thank you, Juliet. Very thoughtful analysis and information. So now we'll hear from Jason Polk the chair of the cars division. Hi everyone I'm Jason Polk chair of the cars division is as she just mentioned and I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you a little bit about our division and what we're doing. We're fairly new division. We've really been only around since 2014. And if continue to grow and evolve. It's really exciting to see the report and to identify some of the areas in which we really are are moving as a science and as a discipline and able to contribute and interact more. Really, the top of the corner kind of just highlighted, because there were so many different areas that it looks like more than half the questions posed in there, the report we easily can fit into and possibly more for sure. And just to highlight some of the things we're having a new frontier session this this conference that actually highlighted a few of these really initiatives and priorities that overlap well with the report and some of the priorities that are moving forward so for those right now I highlighted a couple critical zone processes right now we actually have an asset funded carbonate critical zone project through a couple of folks in division. It's a five year project that's basically to create cooperation network for this this carbonate critical zone effort to look at groundwater surface water interactions to microbial processes monitoring resource management etc. In these landscapes. So really for our division anything with caves, groundwater sinkholes, those types of landscape features are really the primary aspects so the critical zone component really fits a lot of the work that we do from the subsurface to the surface. And a couple other areas the biogeochemical cycling and geological processes affecting biodiversity, another big area outside of the physical geologic aspects that we have we also do a lot in the interdisciplinary realm of things related to to biogeochemistry, things like pathogens research everything from harmful aspects like coronavirus potentially from bats in caves and spreading out to humans but also helpful things like antibiotics and looking into microbial communities, endemic species and evolution, and even planetary cars investigations that sort of fit into that realm and lots of others as well so really see some interesting overlap and efforts in that area. The third one is hydrologic cycle under changing climate. We obviously again focusing a lot on groundwater and major aquifers that are useful for for groundwater withdrawal for many different types of communities and populations around the world. That's a huge piece of what we look at both from a quantity and a quality aspect, everything from drought and flood impacts on these aquifers to access and availability of water. And especially as we see a changing climate, some of the areas we know are most vulnerable will be the ones that that are in cars regions where we will see those impacts be exacerbated on those communities. Earth dynamic climate is another one that fits in well with a lot of up and coming work that's being done using cave deposits to reconstruct climate. This has come a long way in the last few decades using mineral formations and sediments in caves to go back and reconstruct climate at a high resolution for decades the centuries to millennia, and how that impacts everything from groundwater availability time back to the hydrologic cycle to predicting things like hurricane cyclicity and other work that's being done so that's become a really established cornerstone of our discipline in our field and some some great presentations on how that's advancing. And then the geohazards reduction is another one that kind of overlaps with some of the more physical hazards aspects of our discipline so singles and the occurrence of those under a changing climate under under some of the recent changes we've seen in the hydrologic cycle. Groundwater contamination and monitoring and tracking as we see those become more prevalent when we have increased flooding and just population growth and change. So throughout all those different initiatives, they certainly overlap a lot with the vision initiatives and things that we see as priorities for our discipline. On the other side for report aspects we'd like to see follow up some of the things that we see here in the report that work well with with what we currently have as priorities but also maybe some additional focus would be our EAR lab support for critical zone and water cycle processes. We see a lot of efforts in areas that kind of overlap but specifically in those those two fields there's a lot of need for instrumentation. There's a lot of recent advancements in the last decade of instrumentation and the way that we can actually conduct our research so having more support infrastructure for those would be really helpful. The linear surface geophysics center certainly fits well with our need for better instrumentation capabilities for mapping subsurface geologic hazards, flow path mapping that sort of thing. So that's an exciting initiative that certainly I can see benefit for discipline, but continental critical zone, you know, relapse well with with the effort we already have underway for this project from some of our colleagues. There's a huge portion of the ice free land surfaces karst and so we actually are studying a pretty vast amount of the critical zone across multiple continents in different areas. So certainly that initiative and support for that across all different areas would be useful. And then the earth archives I thought was interesting, specifically for our discipline because we actually do have a lot of unarchived information that it's becoming better sorted and organized as the discipline grows. It includes everything from new discovered minerals and microbes to even just map surface subsurface passages that are maybe not well archived or managed or available at a national level and trying to do larger scale work looking beyond just a local local region or beyond the US. The last two items are really just a sort of broader scopes capabilities, things like big data. We're generating now very large data sets related back to everything from Paleo climate archives to water, anything hydrologic data water quality water quality data, moving into modeling, using neural machine learning. So a lot of different data sets being being generated and the ability to process and analyze these would be really useful as we move forward and some unique application specifically things like groundwater modeling which is traditionally incredibly difficult and these types of environments. They really does require sort of new innovative techniques and the reliance on computing power and the ability to actually go through and process these large data sets in certain ways that are a little bit different than there may be other ways and other sciences. And the last one is just a great effort I see across this report and across the current initiative being put forth by NSF to be more in this plenary and collaborate within NSF directorates and outside into other other areas of the government other entities, because in our discipline that's certainly a priority. You can see through some of these listed priorities we obviously connect together and work with lots of other disciplines from anthropology to biology to archaeology and beyond to really be able to conduct our research and and bring it all together. So we'd like to see that and with that one of the key initiatives has improved communication education really a lot of leaps in the last few years and certainly efforts to to improve diversity inclusion education and communication about all of the different priorities we have that affect communities and people that help initiate new projects and help our science advance certainly are all things that we'd appreciate support on and being able to contribute to as we move forward. Thank you. Yeah, that was very interesting with lots of priorities and ideas. So next is Alan Rooney from the Geochronology division. Thanks very much. So my name is Alan Rooney and I'm the incoming chair for the Geochronology division. So my board members at the bottom of the slide and a number of them also on the call. So we're a new division, and Liam Oregon, Julie Fozdeck, George girls and myself, this vision together about three years ago. We're up to over 500 members and our members, they include both consumers as well as producers of Geochronology data. So the priorities and research groups are targeting questions across high temperature, low temperature, short and very long time scales. And we look at questions concerned with the DPF and all the way through to near surface processes. And so it's a very broad research group. And in the last year, we have a dedicated DEI coordinator, Nicole Aitken, who came on the board and has made great strides and increasing diversity, equity and inclusion. Start initiatives with regards to these points to the sort of greater facility accessibility and the Geochronology and the Geosciences or Earth Sciences. And this is the GSA level as well as within the division level and something we're very keen to push forward on. And then at our town hall during this meeting, we started a conversation with our members and other groups with regards to a potential Geochronology consortium, which is recommended in the Earth and Time report. And so we're starting to put the conversations together and starting workshops to try and understand the sort of directions and the structure and the questions that would go towards that Geochronology consortium. And so we feel that together, these three items highlight a really strong commitment to all of the questions outlined in the report as well as the initiatives that are driving forward from today. And we're particularly excited to working towards enhancing community connections and that will help expand lab and technique accessibility. This is critical, and we believe in sort of establishing community connections that would help drive both technique development as well as education and equity and Geochronology as well as other components of the Earth Sciences. And so as I said, other board members are on the call and we'll have to take any conversation questions and just want to say thank you very much for the opportunity to contribute here. Great. Thank you very much for that. Okay, now we'll hear from, I think, Julie Brigham-Gretze about Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology. Yes, thanks a lot and thank you very much for a fabulous report. I want to edit my slide here. First off, as that all 12 of the driving questions are really important within the division of Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology. And I'm here today as the incoming president to the division and also on the call is Missy Epps, who is the outgoing president of the division. I think one of the important things about all of the driving questions is that these driving questions cut across all aspects of the geosciences but certainly within this Quaternary division really lies at the interface of how humans interact with this landscape that we live on and how we use it, whether it's for agriculture, whether it's looking at sea level rise. All of the various aspects of how humans impact the earth and how we need to be more sustainable are really captured really across almost all 12 of these aspects and involve the surface processes in geomorphology and the past history so that we can learn how whether it's in the deserts or when the or in the Arctic, we can learn about how these processes acted in the past and how they may be influenced by human activity. So I was thinking, we could almost take every single one of these 12 issues. And, for example, what what are the causes and consequences of topographic change and its impact on society for example, looking at racial isostatic adjustments versus dynamic topography brings together sea level history coastal management, coastal processes, even involving solid earth processes. So we cut across all of these various disciplines and I think you could do. I can give you an example of that across all of the 12 elements that are shown here. So we also like the fact that a lot of the ideas that are brought together are not only just discovery science but what we would like to call actionable science. And this is where we bring what we can do to improve the human element on our landscape and provide more sustainability and integrating actionable science that's policy relevant. It really comes out in the report, at least in my opinion. And I think those of us working on surface processes and paleo climate would certainly see that this is really relevant as we continue to warm up the planet. Other relevant issues initiatives that are outlined in the report are all consistent with the needs and activities of the division. Whether it's critical zone that's, that's where we are the surfacial geology continental drilling is important also for past climates and hazards. We also are really pushing also on this fair data idea. This is also important whether it's starring data and making available but also providing storage for samples and archiving so these various facilities that store our materials are really important and need to be funded. Sustainable technical staff is really important. I think we lag behind other countries in trying to maintain the technical staff that we have that's becoming more challenging. And I have the last point here is just maintaining an outward leaning collaborations with international partners. That was not quite as clear in that a report there's a lot of really good material about interacting across agencies in the federal government, but it's really important to do that we just recently signed an agreement with the International Association of geomorphologists to link with other countries. And the other last thing I wanted to just comment on is we in the Contemporary Division are launching a very actionable set of changes we'd like to make in our division to increase what's called Jedi the justice equity diversity and inclusion across our division and so we're going to implement real change in our bylaws to make sure that we can set an example for other other divisions. So thank you very much. Thank you. And I think for the last one will hear from reto Gary and geology and health division. Hello everyone and thank you for the opportunity to speak here in this town hall. I'm representing the geology and health division of the GSA. This is a fairly small division. So we really welcome this report, because it contains so much important information that is fundamental to our area. We are basing our research on the three overarching themes, but particular active in the third one that studies the influence and human human systems and human society. So we use the fundamental earth science research and look at the societal relevance. We have primarily right now are trying to build our base by being active in organizing sessions at GSA. It's a young field very rapidly growing field. So to find out what are the implications of environmental contamination and so what we do is go beyond documenting contaminants being water, soil or the air as well, and going beyond trying to figure out where these contaminants are coming from, but really looking at what are they doing to our bodies. And so that's our main activities. We had a short course at this GSA meeting that was shared by some of our members. Generally on the earth impact and human health, and then some specific sessions and you see from the different session topics that we really are interested in these contaminants and they how they affect various parts of our body, but not just individually but also in terms of the public. So public health is equally at the core of our research. If you think for example of lead pollution. This is a tremendous issue in many cities around the world, and in many particularly in the US. And it's not just the lead drinking water lines we have a lot of pollution in the soil as well in the atmosphere. And so it's the exposure is an issue but also health risk and what can we do about it so we try to come up with policy to help reducing risks in all these different areas of research. And one session highlighted down there T 209. The dose makes the poison a very old saying, this is really important and we are looking at this issue by collaborating with medical doctors because we are trying to do to find out what are the consequences of increasing doses of certain chemicals in the environment. We need the help of organic chemists so it's not just geologists that do that work, but in particular all the exposure experiments have to be done by medical professionals. So in the laboratory in vitro, sometimes in vivo. So we couldn't do that without the medical professionals. And finally more general themes like environment geochemistry and health, and the global health, which is tightly connected to public health as well. So what we really would like to follow up is, how can, how can we partner with other federal agencies. We're really at the, at the far end of the geosciences with one foot in the medical sciences. And it's hard to find, not only journals to to publish our research but also get funding. The, on the medical side there are some important programs, perhaps you have heard of the Superfund Research Program in NIHS. This is a tremendous opportunity where these these proposals all need environmental projects in there, minimum two. So that's the way how we can tag into the medical sciences and get fairly large grants. So this is one of our top priorities, how can we partner with other federal agencies, in particular, those that are dealing with medical issues. Thank you very much for putting this town all together. And I'm excited to be here and answer any questions if you have any. Thank you so much for that summary and discussion of priorities. So I thank all of the division representatives who, who gave talks. And I think between the report and all what you presented there's there's lots to discuss. I think I'll turn it over to Deb Glickson to manage the discussion. Absolutely, and I echo those things and I apologize for the hundreds of emails that you got in the last two weeks. Welcome to working on a committee with me. So, I see we already have one question so I'm going to mention that. The question is that you'll get a little thing that asks you to unmute and on and or to turn on your video so let's start with Ross Henderson. So there might be a little delay. Hi, can you hear me. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So I have a question I guess to all the nascent committee, and it has to do with distributed acoustic sensing, which I believe is a NSF program in the in their grand challenge, maybe in phase one, but okay so this is two part question. Is that part of EAR. And then I have a follow up. So it's, it's about this. Yeah, stats. I'm looking around to see if there are any hands from our or anybody from our committee wants to unmute. Maybe let's hear your second half of your question has that. Okay, so maybe Dr. Polk already answered this. Sorry, trying to do several things. So, maybe. But my question is about aquaculture. So the GSA karst division. I understand is involved with hydraulics and underground water aquifers and things like this and flow path mapping. However, it seems that it's directed only to underground. Earth water. So what about offshore even. So not seismic not geodesic, not really volcanic, but sea level and this has to do with 3D DS, which is very, very relatively new. Because as you probably all know, that's is a fiber based and it's shovel ready. So this is my follow up. Great. My aquaculture sorry. All right, thank you. So, maybe we'll ask, Jason, do you want to see, do you want to respond or Michael. I see a hand raised from Michael and I know that this was directed towards Jason Polk. Sure, I'm happy to I think I understand your question, although I'm not maybe sure I can answer it perfectly. Based on what I do know but yeah we do a lot of different work looking at subsurface water and mapping flow paths and different types of interactions that include coastal interactions, you know, including, you know, springs that underwater that may come out under under different areas, you know, engulfs or bays or shores. And so there's a lot of different techniques there there everything from seismic techniques to more traditional, you know, underwater mapping using tracers and that sort of thing. I don't know that we have used there's a lot of work being done area that you're describing for full we actually use it for an artist plan right now. But I certainly see there could be opportunities and potentially other things that are out there that people are working on that I'm just not familiar with. My colleagues here can speak to it feel free to jump in. I'm not sure I think there's a few of them on here. So, yeah, so, so thank you very much. And this is another follow up about with underground aquifers in the Great Lakes are you are you looking at the Great Lakes, besides just the continental. I think there may be some people doing some work on those. But it's, most of our work is on specific types of aquifers that are obviously a little bit different so so porous media aquifers and those types of things are not settings that we typically are doing as much on in our discipline, even though we draw from that from from hydrogeology and discipline itself so we're doing obviously more conduit mapping and more turbulent flow mapping and aquifer settings and things for for some of these larger regional aquifers but we do have diffuse flow and other other settings and it's a little bit more complicated I think and how we might be approached that. And then those types of settings, as far as water underneath water. It's kind of what you're describing. So, yeah, yeah. Okay, great. I think I think we should stand. Sorry. Okay, underneath the desert to it. Why don't we move on to the next question or why don't we actually I think Michael foot has his hand raised so why don't we go to him. Thank you. Yeah, I guess. I'm not sure I fully understood the context of the question but in terms of the report rather than the breadth of what's going on in geoscience research. I'm going to put a emphasis on all aspects of the hydrologic cycle. So, I guess the simple answer to the initial question is, you know, yes, this is the, the full spectrum of what water does on the planet from the mantle up to the upper surface is something of interest. Great. Thank you. All right, I see. Oh, shaman do you want to respond to that. If not I have a comment from Jim Russell. Jim and you muted yourself again. Okay, yeah, I just wanted to quickly respond that I think offshore surface is part of the water cycle that I think we broadly talked about in the report. I think it is definitely part of the larger picture of the water cycle whether it's offshore or on the continent I don't think we are particularly close to the continent offshore coastal regions, and it's definitely very relevant to understanding of the water cycle dynamics. Great, thank you. We question or comment from Jim Russell and then I have a question from the chat. Yeah, hi. I guess I was curious just from the perspective of the committee members maybe how best. How best can we help to kind of engage in and carry out some of the, some of the activities and, you know, suggestions that are that are identified in the report. You know, we're engaged in a lot of the scientific questions as well as, you know, in my case some of the suggestions for, you know, development of facilities and things but I'm just kind of curious what what you, you know, what you would recommend the kind of the next, the next steps in that engagement like might look like what the, you know, what the, yeah, how you envision the next, you know, a couple of years I don't know. I hope I'm not being very clear but I hope you get the gist of the question. It's a good question and I there it actually more committee members than I had expected so I'm going to wait to see if anybody wants to either raise their hand or just jump right in and answer it. So come on. Jim. Jim you'll get a little button that's asked you to unmute. All right. Well I think if I understood the question I NSF response and proposal so if you think you've got something to contribute to those themes I know some sort of proposal with us for a workshop or a science program would be the way to contribute I if I understood the question properly. Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was I was wondering about sort of what, you know, I don't know if divisions can write. Well, divisions cannot probably write proposals but we can certainly write proposals as individuals. Yeah, utilize to the divisions to, you know, to kind of think about scoping and things like this for you know holding sessions that your meetings is also a way that you're drawing attention to the issue issues. Great. Looks like Kate and then Michael want to join in on this one. I think thanks everyone for this interesting discussion so far. Your question, I think is a great one and I was really impressed by how the division leaders here on have have sort of tried to try to communicate how they envision themselves. You know, what are the constituencies fitting into the science party questions, and it occurs to me that the that, you know, your groups are really great places for community to engage, and, and, you know, come up with their own ideas of what resonates most with them and how they, you know, to make those tasks and it doesn't need to be just only in science proposals. It seems like NSF is asking for comments and, and engagement and so I think exactly what you're doing seems to me like like fantastic ways to engage and make the next steps forward leadership role yours are ourselves yourselves in in seeing what what it is that the community wants, but I'm very inspired by the kinds of ways that people have already articulated the connections they see in the ways they see themselves getting into the priority questions and the infrastructure needs and so those conversations the science sessions, and then, you know, those sorts of things can then catalyze activities with individual p is that would then ask for funding or larger consortia to come up with working groups and, you know, those, not forgetting the name of them but the, oh, you know what they're called those, those work, those workshop things that that they fund doing sorry to end on an unarticulate note. Thanks. Great thanks Kate. And I have two questions from the chat but I'm going to also just I'm going to put in a disclaimer to these questions which is, please remember that the committee members who wrote the report. Don't actually work for NSF so they can't answer questions about what NSF is doing. So I'll ask the questions but I'm not sure what kind of response we might get. So, one question from Corey black eagle is he'd like to know what, or she I'm sorry I should say they would like to know what efforts are underway to integrate the existing and completed critical zone programs to the ongoing critical continental critical zone initiative. Well, that one. So it's what efforts are underway to integrate the existing and completed critical zone programs to the ongoing continental critical zone initiative. Oh, Michael's going to take a stab. Oh, I'm, I guess I would say so first of, I mean, this is really a riff on what Deb just said about, you know, that we're not NSF we are, we're, you know, we made our recommendations to NSF. The critical zone initiative has not been adopted by NSF this was a recommendation from the committee. And so I think the simple answer is nothing has been done yet because we don't know if NSF is going to adopt that, adopt that recommendation and do anything about it. Does that sound reasonable Deb. That sounds reasonable to me and I think, unfortunately that. Oh, I'm sorry Corey would you like to follow up. Let's see can we unmute you. There we go. Just in there we go. Sure. My question is, I think that the critical zone is a crucial initiative and I applaud you for identifying it. I'm currently involved in the carbonate critical zone. Again, I know that within the quaternary geology division they were doing a critical zone. And I don't remember the name of it that has ended. There have been other critical zone programs out there. And so in the initiative I think part of what needs to be done is to pull all of those together, as well as move forward with additional research. But it wasn't necessarily a what are you going to do about it so much as a is there a way to think about pulling all that existing research together and moving forward with the continental critical zone initiative. I might suggest we leave that as an open question. There are definitely some folks from the National Science Foundation who are listening on the line so perhaps it's a good thing for them to hear how, unless anybody else wants to respond to that. I have another question in the chat that again is kind of the same flavor so I just want to make everyone aware of that. So how does NSF encourage interdisciplinary scientists to serve on panels or as reviewers within non interdisciplinary regular programs. So if interdisciplinary work can be overlapped overlooked due to lack of familiarity with jargon and the concepts that don't translate. How would you make sure that you know that there's a mechanism and I don't think anybody on the committee can really answer this question. But I might, I might throw it out there and it's from Missy Epps. Andrea. Can you hear me right from personal experience. You know oftentimes a proposal can be co reviewed. And so you'll get it co reviewed by another panel. And actually we talked to NSF about in your interdisciplinary research some during the progress of writing this report. And I know there's a perception in the community that if you get it co reviewed then you have less of a chance of getting it funded because now you have more panels reviewing it. The feedback that we got from the program officers was that that is not borne out by the data that they have on proposals that are co reviewed so it does not hurt your proposal. In that sense to identify the fact that it is interdisciplinary and it may need to be co reviewed and so, you know that's basically to be encouraged was the message that we got very helpful. So it's, it's five minutes till the end of the hour. And I know that people will rush off to the next thing but do we have any further questions or comments while we've got everyone on the line. A quiet group today. And maybe what I will do is direct you towards the chat where our report is available for pre free PDF download. And we do have hard copies. If we could ever get back into our offices we'd be happy to provide those to you as well. And I wanted to thank all of our committee members. Again, and I would like to really thank our GSA division representatives that was incredibly helpful. And I thank all of you for taking an hour out of your day during such a busy time to spend it with us and I hope that you have gained something from it. If you have any questions. I'm happy if my email, I'll throw my email in the chat in just a second. And, and I'm happy to relay any questions or concerns to the committee members. Thank you so much. Have a great day.