Thirty years since the world watched Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat shake hands on a framework for peace talks, why does the dream of a two-state solution seem further away than ever before? In Europe, nurses and doctors are planning new industrial action and we have new data to understand what nurses are actually paid across the region. What is the impact of governments taking short-sighted approaches to solving deep-rooted problems in health systems? And in South Korea, rail workers are on a four-day strike following a breakdown in negotiations, the first such strike since 2019. Why is management and the government failing to respond? This is of course a daily debrief and if you like the kind of coverage we do of the news beyond the headlines, don't forget of course to like and subscribe as well as share this video with your friends. We are coming to you as always from the People's Dispatch studios in New Delhi. I'm Siddharth Ani. On September the 13th, 1993, two adversaries shook hands in the world watched with hope, hope of talks, of a framework and of moves towards a two-state solution in Palestine. Thirty years on that dream seems further away than ever before but the hope of the Palestinian people continues to find new ways to reinvigorate their struggle for a homeland. The Oslo Accords, which was a framework for talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians, mediated of course by American diplomats, have turned 30. On daily debrief, we've consistently reported on the conditions in which Palestinians continue to live and work and fight and struggle of course in the occupied territories. And today we have the opportunity to talk to Dr. Abdul Rahman about some of the historical details as well as the future of the resistance. Let's go over to him now. Abdul 30 years on it might be a bit difficult to recap that entire history but give us your take on where the Oslo framework, the Oslo Accords framework stands today. How has it been violated and also maybe give us some context into whether the sort of development of this framework was in a way doomed to fail anyway. The Oslo Accord which was signed in 1993-94, 30 years back, one can safely say that it has been never implemented. All its provisions starting from the creation of Palestinian Authority, the demarcation of three different reasons within the occupied West Bank, the number of settlements, all of these have been consistently violated. Palestinian Authority has been deprived of all basic rights which is necessary to basically govern whatever limited governance it was assumed to have. When it comes to the number of settlements, everyone knows that successive governments of Israel have never followed the control, they haven't even tried to control the expansion of settlements and today around 700,000 illegal settlers live all across occupied West Bank in occupied East Jerusalem. When it comes to final status negotiations, it has been 30 years, none of the issues have even been initiated. We know that Israel has basically tried to assert its sovereignty over East Jerusalem and in fact one of the guarantors of the Oslo Agreement, the United States during Trump administration recognized, in fact shifted its embassy to Jerusalem. Israel has built hundreds of kilometers of wall separating the Palestinians and the rest of the territories in occupied West Bank which basically violates the basic right of movement, right to work, right to health of all the Palestinians. The number of Palestinians being killed in the aggression not only carried by the Israeli armed forces, but also by the illegal settlers living within the occupied territories has increased and in increasing every day. There has been no attempt to address the issues related to the Palestinian refugees. In fact, if you see the Israel's because of the policies of settlement expansion and because of the policies of forceful displacement, the number of Palestinian refugees who were basically twice the victims have also increased. The entire occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem has become Bantustan which basically makes it impossible for Palestinian authority to carry out even the basic minimum work and apart from preventing people from carrying out their normal day to day life. So given the extent to which Israel has basically cracked down on the Palestinian people has basically violated their basic rights. One can safely conclude that the Oslo agreements are dead and they have never been in fact observed. So given all of that, Abdul and of course all of the other conversations we've had on the subject of Palestine, across the course of our reportage on daily debrief, the sort of lack of viability of this framework, where does that leave the Palestinian resistance and how do you look at the resistance sort of growing or where do you look at it going in the future? When it comes to alternatives in front of the Palestinian resistance groups, we all know that a large number of the Palestinian groups including Hamas and Islamic Jihad had never accepted the legitimacy of the Oslo agreement and they had basically for a very long time believed in the armed resistance and they also indulged in it for a very long time. Though in recent years they have also realized that this may not lead to the desired results. And so by and large there is a consensus now at least among the Palestinian groups, main Palestinian resistance group about finding a political solution to the Palestinian issue and therefore they believed that some kind of internationally negotiated mediated peace process is the only viable option. However, there is a group of Palestinian youth which basically is completely disillusioned with all these traditional resistance groups and they have basically tried to look for an alternative. Some of them have adopted violent methods also. If you see in last few months there have been many several attacks on the Israeli occupation forces inside Israel and so on and so forth, which reminds us of what happened during the first intifada or the second, at least second intifada. So that is one option also. Of course, there is a third option and which has caught the imagination of a large number of movements across the globe at this moment is the BDS movement, which by caught the investment sanction movement, which basically has been able to convince at least not the governments, but at least some of the movements in the first world countries in Europe, US, elsewhere, where they have been basically convinced that it is necessary that the world adopts similar methods as they adopted during the apartheid regime in South Africa to pressurize Israel to basically come and sit on a table to negotiate the solution for the Palestinian issue. So that is another option. Within that there is a small group which also believes that two-state solution is no more viable and therefore we should work for a one-state solution in which the Palestinians can live within Israel as equal citizens, though even there is a strong disagreement among the majority of the Palestinian groups over the viability of this one-state solution. But nonetheless that is one of the options which the Palestinian resistance groups have started exploring. So in the absence of any possibility that Oslo agreements will be implemented, the only options remain is that the world rethinks and particularly given the larger changes in the geopolitics at the global level, rethinks about finding solution to Palestinian issue and basically to kind of work harder for achieving starting some kind of peace process. So that is the only option which looks viable at this moment. That is all we have time for today, Abdul. So we will leave it there. Thanks very much for the update. New data has revealed the massive gaps in pay received by nurses working in various nations across the European region. This data comes at a time when health professionals including but of course not limited to doctors and nurses have been forced to take industrial action in the United Kingdom as well as in mainland Europe. They are demanding better wages of course but also better work conditions and higher staffing levels. It also comes at a time when all working people are struggling to deal with the rising costs of staying alive and paying for even a basic basket of goods. To talk about these wages in real terms of course in terms of what they can buy and what they cannot and about how governments in Europe are looking to solve the issues and Avrachar of the People's Health Movement joins us from Zagare. Good to have you on Daily Debrief as always. I haven't seen you in a while. I also hope you're well. First up I wanted to talk to you about the latest round of action by UK nurses coming as it does on the wake of this release or this understanding that we now have of relative pay scales of nurses across Europe. Yeah, so essentially if we focus on the UK for now, we can say that it's already been almost a year since health workers there have started doing different kinds of campaigns including extensive industrial action over the level of their salaries. So this week there have been scattered strikes among different health workers in different hospitals of England. And then later this month and later in October we're also looking at something that apparently has never happened before and that's a joint strike by junior doctors and resident doctors. So the health workers instead of stepping back from the action that they began because they were warning the government from the very beginning that the salary levels were not enough to keep up with the cost of living crisis with the inflation that the UK people have been struggling so much with. They're actually stepping up and keeping tight on what they have started. But yes, as you mentioned, this is not something that's specific to England. It's the level of salaries and essentially the extent to which the salaries that health workers receive are enough to secure a living is a problem that's widespread all over Europe. And just recently we've seen updated data about the amount, so both the comprehensive amounts of salaries which are received by nurses in different countries of Europe, but also of those salaries adjusted for purchasing power parity. It becomes critical actually. Yeah, in this situation it's actually something that's missing from the conversation because as we've heard from the various governments, everybody's saying, oh, but the health workers who are now on strike have actually got a pay raise in the last two or three or four years. But if you look at the numbers adjusted for some, including the UK, it's actually a pre-cut. So this new data shows that what the nurses in the UK have experienced is essentially a 6% cut to what they had before. And of course in the context that Europe is living right now, which includes a very high increase in prices for utilities for food and for other basic necessities, adjusting the salaries to actually be able to confront those rising costs is essential. So what we're seeing in the UK but also in other countries is that the governments are trying to kind of hide away and hide away from what's essentially being experienced by the people. Right. We see also in this data, Ana, which you shared with us, quite a massive sort of range of salaries that nurses receive across Europe where, okay, there are of course differences in the region in terms of costs of living and essential commodities. But broadly speaking, there is some sort of common set of denominators that kind of determine the price of your basket of essential goods, I guess, and like 10 times in some cases these salaries kind of vary. How do you kind of factor that in our nurses and other professionals anywhere in Europe, getting paid enough basically speaking to earn a decent living? Okay, so that's actually a good question. I wouldn't rule it out. There is some places but very few places. The nurses are getting paid enough to make a living. But those are very rare places and it's uncommon to see that, for example, Luxembourg would be one of those places. But if you look at the overall salary that they're getting in Luxembourg, it's over 100,000 euros per year. So that's exceptionally high and of course everything in Luxembourg is exceptionally disproportionate to the rest of Europe. So I wouldn't take it as a rule. In most places, what we're seeing is that the salary that you get is not really enough to take you to the end of the month. And this is something that's been reported from the ground from nurses from all over the place. So starting with Portugal where nurses have also been on strike for the last repeatedly over the past couple of months because of these kind of disparities and because of some of the promises to essentially recognize their experience and their contribution to the health system were not taken, were not put into practice. And then of course, you know, there's a whole other set of people in East Europe, which if you look at the data, of course, it's at the bottom of that list. And I think not even all of the countries were included in the data set but were included in the data set. But essentially, although the prices might be lower when you compare them to Central Europe and so on and so on. The pay that you receive in, for example, Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania in the Baltic States, you know, even in Croatia and in the countries which would be presented like better off in this kind of, in this part of Europe. The prices are still too high to essentially, you know, live off that salary that you're getting. So it's particularly a problem for people who are living alone. If you have single parents who have to take care of the child, there are more costs involved. So essentially the overall picture is that the nurse's salaries are overall too low. They should be increased and it's something that should be really put on the table as the governments discuss how to deal with the struggling health systems that they have in front of them. Yeah, absolutely. And also so many different questions, I guess, come up because of this, because so many participants in this part of the labor market are migrants themselves. We've talked before about how skewed it is on gender terms and how women face a disproportionate impact of the low levels of wages, etc. Particularly when it comes to like single parents or single income households. I want to talk a bit about because so many of these governments as well as private hospitals and other institutions in Europe are now looking to kind of buy up labor from the Global South to make up for their shortfall. Are they deliberately sort of skating from dealing with the issue and looking at actual long term solutions like you were pointing out towards beleaguered health systems that they are facing? And instead just filling short term gaps by bringing in more migrant workers who are perhaps willing to work for a lower wage? Well, yeah, I would say the second point would be closer to what's happening. And again, we've been for the last couple of issues of the people's health dispatch, we have been reporting and looking at how Germany is dealing with its severe shortage of health workers. And just to point out it's not the German problem. It's an overall problem. Health workers are missing everywhere. But what the German government has been doing for the last months and essentially years, but in the last couple of months we've heard reports that for example the German Labour Minister meets with their counterpart in Brazil in Kerala in other places which they see as source places where they can recruit nurses. And now behind this is that they come and say, well, if you look at the numbers, you have very high numbers of nursing graduates coming from nursing schools in some states of India, in some parts of Brazil. So it's fair for us to come and offer them, you know, better conditions. They can migrate freely and that's, you know, it's called the triple win. I think it's a bit of a problematic term because it essentially leaves out this whole problem that when you look at the health systems and particularly at the public health systems, they're missing the health workers themselves. India and Brazil, they're not so well staffed that they can allow themselves to export such high numbers of nurses. It's just that the jobs are not there. The jobs are not there because the money is not there. And essentially what the high income countries governments are doing, they're choosing to ignore all that because, you know, it's a bargain for them. You can get nurses training in the global south for a fraction of the price that you would need to invest in Germany or in France or in the UK. So it's very cheap if you look at it. And once they do migrate, it's also very cheaper labor force than you would get locally. It's a way of exploiting people. It's a way of also exploiting the education systems and the health systems of sourced countries, which are investing their own money in training these nurses and doctors and pharmacists and other health workers. And essentially just, you know, trying to find an easy way to a very difficult question. Absolutely. And we were out of time, of course, lots more to discuss on this subject, but through people's health dispatches, of course, your perspectives will are vital, particularly in these parts of the world. I guess what you look at it as maybe source countries and where these debates are not really happening of, you know, what the real costs are and the implications of kind of shipping yourself out to another part to work in the longer run. And definitely for governments to look at in terms of how they hope to shape health structures for sure. Thanks very much for joining us. And finally, unionized workers of the government run Korean Railroad Corporation, also known as Corail for short, are on a four day strike. This is the first such industrial action since 2019. And the demands of the government restructure work allocation, also deal with understaffing issues, expand the rail network itself and change the way in which it looks at railroads in general. Anish covers the region for people's dispatch. Let's go over to him now. Anish, welcome back to Daily DB for your favorite spot, of course, the best bit of work you do all day. What is happening in Korea and is there sort of a deadlock in negotiations already between the union and management? The deadlock has been there for a while now. We have seen a lot of statements being made by the KRWU in the past in many, in the since at least now, December last year, and the same kind of intentions continue at this point. And we see at this, at this current juncture, the government trying to use SR Corporation as a pathway to privatizing railways. Now, one of the bit of context that we need to give our audience is basically that SR Corporation is basically one of those apart from Corail runs the, you know, this super fast trains, the super fast train category called as SR trains, SRDs and that basically is owned by a couple of government run corporations, but different with different shareholdings. And so it's more or less quite easier for them to unbundle that at some level and maybe, you know, publicly traded, bring in private players, and this has been accused, alleged by unions for quite a while now, because and they are now demanding a merger of that with Corail, which is a government run subsidiary, and that pretty much runs most of Corail railways at this point. But nevertheless, that aside, you also have other issues being raised, primarily surrounding working hours in among, you know, rail operators, they're calling for a 12 hour rotational shift divided among 14. There and then obviously, wage adjustments, based on, you know, the escalating cost of living crisis, something that we see very often among trade union movements, strikes and, you know, mobilizations over the past few years. Now, since we have done this through actually, you have talked about the cost of living crisis and Korea is no different in that sense, and has been affected very badly with which is stagnating almost at some level. And so, these are some of the primary demands and we actually see a sort of the political line that the government is using, because basically they do want to, they did break down the merger plans for Corail and SR Corporation earlier this year. And it is pretty much that that has angered much of the workers, because they do believe that it would be much more easier and cost effective and also it will be better for the workers as well because it will bring out a significant amount of revenue and they can expand the bullet train network in the country right now. Anish, over the past year or so, we have seen several sort of major incidents involving commuter trains here in India, in Europe as well. A lot of them or investigations into them also consider staffing, particularly of those manning critical parts of the real networks as a serious issue and this seems to be across the globe. So, in the context of South Korea, what is the government's take on it and sort of why is there continuing willingness to understaff what is critical service and that actually impacts lives. Staffing has been primary issue in this and that is also reflected in the 12 hour, 14 workshops that we are calling for and also the calls for merger because this will streamline the entire network, the existing network bring in a better level of staffing. It can actually address staffing shortages at this point and also consolidate revenue and profits as well of the two corporations and that can actually help the railways to expand but that is necessarily not what the government wants at the moment. I must remember that this union, the TRWU is pretty much dominated by the FKPU which is basically the Federation of Foreign Trade Unions, a trade union that was established during the military regime era and military dictatorship era and it was supposed to be this very pro employer, company union kind of trade union and it is part of this, like the TRWU is basically primarily dominated and even the leadership is dominated by the FKPU and despite that a trade union that is considered very pro-conservative are making demands that are going against government's policies at this current point of time clearly shows that there is a clear divide between the workers and the government at this point which is not entirely irreparable, it is just something that requires a lot of good faith work and also the willingness of the government to actually expand and invest in the railways, a very critical infrastructure and that is something that we do not see forthcoming in the government right now. Alright Anish, thanks very much for that update, we leave it there for today.


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Yeah, keep track of all the all the friends references Fighting his way through the friends references and the early morning for him We're very happy to have Eric Olander editor-in-chief and co-founder of the China Africa project and co-host of the weekly China in Africa podcast We're among other type of topics. They closely follow tech in Africa. Thanks for joining us Eric Very good morning. Very good afternoon to you guys and a good day to you Patrick. Yeah, we span the globe, sir Yes, we really do the Sun never sets on this particular episode of the Daily Tech News show We are going to talk about Some of the things that some of the insights that Eric finds in covering Africa regarding technology today Which is why I wanted to shift this to Friday is right after you say hi to Len. Yes Thank you No, but I wanted to explain that Never mind. Let's introduce Len. Hi Len Peralta who is here to illustrate the episode today as well. Yes. Thank you so much I I knew you were gonna come to me And Len Len's drawings if anybody doesn't know show up immediately after the show at Len Peralta store com And if you're watching the unofficial video which we put up on YouTube and archive org You can take a look at them there as well But yeah, so Eric's gonna talk about insights on on Africa from from the technology side of things Which is why Patrick which is where I was going which is why Patrick is on the show today So that we didn't have to make Eric get up ridiculously early before workday Let's get into the headlines as M&M SP posted on our subreddit last pass announced that it is being acquired by remote access software maker log Me in for a hundred million dollars in cash possibly a little more last pass provides password management software for consumers and businesses log me an acquired business identity management company Meldium last year and intends to integrate its capabilities into last pass through the two products And yet the two products will continue to exist independently in the near future last past founder Joe Seagrest will lead Development of log means identity and access management product going forward This has caused much consternation and concern among fans of last pass of which there are many last pass is Lawded for having very good pricing mechanisms where you can use certain things for free It's cross-platform on Linux, which is one of the reasons I use it But Patrick a lot of people are not very happy that log me in has gotten a reputation for raising prices Consistently and seems to be very enterprise focused people are afraid that maybe last pass may stop concentrating on its consumers I That would be very sad indeed. I've been using and recommending last pass for a couple of years now I think it's an excellent product, but at the same time Let's wait and see before we freak out and you know as with everything if it turns out that The product loses its soul. I'm sure another one will come and replace it So I'm not too worried yet and people are already debating Which is the best alternative to jump to there's a combination of things here, right? There's always consternation when somebody buys your favorite product You just people just assume it's going to ruin it. That doesn't always happen. Look at Instagram Everyone thought Facebook would ruin Instagram and Instagram has pretty much remained like Instagram was before Facebook bought it On the other hand, there are plenty of examples along the road of I don't know Nokia's handset business for instance Get receiving massive layoffs after Microsoft bought it. So it's hard to say about that There's also the fact that log me and just has a bad reputation because it used to be a free Service that a lot of people liked and it changed over time and a lot of people have not gotten over that Yeah, it doesn't seem like something like last pass would I mean I've been supporting them I've been a subscriber for for since the beginning basically It seems like that kind of company could not keep growing or you know It was fine as it was but it's not that surprising that it's finding someone interested in making it Maybe bigger integrated in into their own offering Again, I don't think they've expressed the fact that they would shut down the service But so let's wait and see what happens I Twitter announced a new offering for Twitter amplify that lets advertisers run video pre-roll ads before targeted videos uploaded to Twitter Publishers upload videos to video that Twitter comm and are paid a majority of ad revenue generated Recode reports Twitter says it will keep 30% of the sale. I uploaded a video went to video Twitter comm worked great Did you know I think 30% of the sales? There was no pre-roll on the ads I Think there's some reasons to be skeptical of this You know the problem, you know in my day job outside of China Africa I'm in the digital video space here and clients are looking for scale and the problem I think with Twitter is that you know Twitter's these micro communities oftentimes with the exception of some big celebrities And then the fact that Twitter really isn't a global platform I mean Twitter has some this has been Twitter's problem is that it has a lot of dark space around the world in terms of markets For example here in Vietnam Twitter is a non-player. It's non-existent. I mean a 300 million users You know how many of those are active users probably, you know decent percentage But I just you know compared to what Facebook and what even what daily motion and also what YouTube are doing in terms of Scale the big brands, you know, it might be a little try that they do but they're not gonna I don't think place big advertising bets on Twitter right now Apple has removed a few apps including ad blockers that do not use the iOS 9 ad blocking framework These are apps that are removed because they install root certificates and act like VPNs Without making it clear to users that they do that, right? So there's plenty of apps that re-root traffic to another server the opera mobile browser For instance does that only a lot of your VPN services do that, but you know, they're doing it It's very clear to you that they're doing it Apple says it's working with the developers to get these apps back into the store Probably just making sure they put in alerts when you install them that say your Encrypted traffic will be going through our servers. So you're saying you trust us not to spy on you One of the apps that was doing this that had been making a little bit of noise in the In the past few days was a bean choice Which is basically an ad blocker that goes through a VPN that allows them to block the ads even within the apps And not just on the web. So that App was removed along with the other ones wondering if it might come back being more explicit I think that seems what Apple is saying is we don't mind that you do this You have to tell people up front and they're probably trying to agree on wording You know not to launch back into the whole debate about ad blocking Using VPN to block the ads from within an app seems like even More questionable than on a website because an app really if you go to the app you you want to use it It's not like a website that you That you go to Automatically or because of a link or something Blocking the ads within an app seems I don't know it makes me here's the scenario I'm in feed Lee I click on a link the in-app browser launches And suddenly none of my ads are blocked and I used to block the ads and now I can't read the page because it's covered in Advertisements that are malicious and awful Well, I think in the case that's what they're that's what they're targeting here But it in an in-app browser the browser the only browser available in And the extension extensions apparently don't work when it's calling the in-app Okay. Hmm. All right Fine merit Well, you know what while speaking to German newspaper handles blood Tesla motor CEO Elon Musk noted Apple has hired people Tesla has fired and said we always jokingly call Apple The Tesla graveyard if you don't make it at Tesla you go to work at Apple That's what the quote he gave he also pointed out building cars is more complicated than building smartphones while adding For Apple the car is the next logical thing to finally offer a significant innovation it's So I don't know if he's being complimentary or just factual in the second part of his of his quote, but I would be I mean I don't know if Apple can manage to build a car and to make it appealing and to make it technologically worthwhile It's certainly a huge challenge, but the quote by Elon Musk first of all He's getting feisty, which I don't think we're used to for him In that way and second of all the the quote about well, you know, it's Apple they're building smartphones they can't build cars is strangely reminiscent of the quote from I think it was Blackberry CEO at the time about Apple making a phone when he was saying huh they make They make Computers phones is a totally different business in industry.  It was the palm CEO by the way Patrick quick quick Google search by the way because I didn't remember exactly myself But yeah, I Eric. That's a great question I am still resistant to the idea that Apple would make a car now they have hired people involved in in parts Manufacturing and things that are definitely beyond just making an in-dash operating system But that could still imply that what they want to do is provide a whole car operating system That knows how parts work with each other and they need those people for that kind of expertise I just can't imagine Apple Creating manufacturing plants and assembly lines for cars I feel like they just in the end will have to partner with some kind of auto manufacturing Well, you know, they have the money to do it. They could basically they could seems like they could buy Tesla too Yeah, exactly. Maybe that's why Elon's all upset is they haven't Possibly but I mean they could potentially Partner with someone in the beginning and then do a car themselves. They could never do a car themselves You know, the truth is I think they're still exploring stuff and even Apple doesn't know what they're gonna do That's probably the most likely truth out of all of it Because they do that they spend a lot of money on research sometimes and then abandoned the product line because it just doesn't work out It's happened before apparently although they never admit it Fried ochre wanted us to mention a lily-puting article about an alternative Android app framework called micro g gms core Being developed by a developer called Mar V in or Marvin The aim is to create a free open-source alternative to Google Play services That would allow your apps like YouTube and Google Maps to run even if you didn't have the official Google version of Android if you don't mind testing beta frameworks You can find the latest version at the xda developers forum if I were Google. I'd be encouraging this This is gonna help your antitrust case, right Tom Yeah, I don't think Google is very happy about this. They've spent the last I didn't say they were what I said was if You've got Europe suing you for antitrust because Google Play services locks down your platform It would be smart to encourage this and go look see there's competition Well, yeah, yeah, I guess in a perfect world. They would say that's what happens But they spend the last what three years trying to make sure that Google services Play services are in place in fact to restrict these kinds of operations of getting those apps Not available on on they also open source the rest of the operating system. That's some Microsoft never did Of course, I think they did that in the beginning to get market share and then started thinking Oh wait, maybe we should have a little bit of this pie for us and not for other people, but We'll see. I mean they have their that's the way they're playing the game They got a lot of market share because of the openness of the system. So now they have to What quick metaphor Friends reference They have to jump in the fountain play with the smelly cat. I don't know basically. Yeah, exactly House of Bricks submitted the Washington Post report that US FBI director James Coney Told the Senate Homeland Security and governmental affairs committee Thursday that the administration would not seek Legislation requiring backdoors in encryption. Hurray said every geek in the audience The decision was made at a cabinet meeting on October 1st So like I said not seek as opposed to that they can't I mean if they could they would and they can't so they won't Pretty much. Yeah ISP review notes that what way and NTT docomo conducted the world's first large-scale field trial of 5g mobile broadband at an outdoor test site in Chengdu The test reached a peak speed of 3.6 gigabits per second using the sub six gigahertz band one test Involved multi-user MIMO with 24 concurrent device connections in the macro cell environment for an average downlink of 1.34 gigabits per second while we hope to launch their first 5g pilot networks in 2018 and have complete interoperability by 2019 ahead of the generally accepted commercial launch window for 5g of 2020 these may not be the fastest 5g speeds you've ever heard reported But these are the first in closer to real-world conditions with multiple devices out outside of a laboratory essentially So is the multiple user MIMO a thing that is going to be used? Is it going to be for like to cluster together? Connections to deliver faster speeds to You know, I don't know Buildings or something like that or is that going to be the way each device works? Good question. I'm not sure what multi-user MIMO will be be used for. I'm not up on that But I do know that it means that you had a bunch of different devices hammering a cell tower Which is very similar to what happens in you know downtowns of cities So the fact that you can still get a Gigabit well one point one and a third gigabits wirelessly is pretty exciting to me. Oh so that was a test of Load it was multiple That's part of it. I mean basically this is this is them this is just another stepping stone along the road to developing 5g speeds and Do you not want gigabit wireless? Oh, no, of course I'm just wondering what they were testing exactly and you know one point four gigabits if that is actual real-world Performance, it's it's pretty exciting. This is closer to real-world performance I mean frankly for me anything above five megabits per second seems pretty exciting I have a super good connection at home now. Do you know how you get to pick out with wireless? With wireless I get about I would say 60 70 Megabits that's really good. Yeah Wi-Fi. I need oh, no, no, no, I'm talking about on your on your 14 on your 4g service 4g must be 20 30 megabits. Yeah, that's a little bit. That sounds about right I can do a test now and report in a minute California's governor signed the electronic communications privacy act Thursday It requires a warrant in order for state law enforcement or other agencies to acquire metadata or digital communications from businesses It also requires a warrant to track or search electronic devices five other states require warrants for content and nine require warrants for GPS location tracking Now this only applies to the state of California's agencies, of course But it is definitely a signpost in the United States as to you know The kind of laws that can be written by other states So I would expect to see at least this sort of comprehensive law be considered in other states whether or not it's passed and It's also interesting to note that It's not like no one wants people to use those You know to acquire the data. It's just saying you just need a warrant. Yeah, fine Just, you know, you'll get them just get a warrant and that is a look at the headlines about 15 15 megs Oh, sorry 15 megs down 3 megs up. It's not great 15 megs downs. Okay. That's probably close to what I get You could submit your stories and vote on them a daily tech news show that reddit.com Let us know what kinds of stories you'd like us to cover. We've got great suggestions from you guys Today, so keep it up daily tech news show dot reddit.com Okay, so Patrick and I one of the things we had seen was an interesting story by Barrett Nash co-founder of Rwanda based safe modos It's more of an opinion piece that he wrote up calling for entrepreneurs to move to Africa He wrote it up on tech crunch He says look if you look out the window and you see San Jose You'll solve problems for the people of San Jose if you look out the window and see Kigali You will see problems for the people of Kigali Really interesting so many interesting stories. We've talked about the the fiber project that Google is doing in Ghana We've talked about UTEL sat and Facebook partnering up to bring rural internet and satellite internet To Africa and so Patrick had the excellent idea of bringing Eric Olander on the show who covers this Patrick you have you have some really good points that you want to cover today Yeah, well, so I think that really we've been dancing around this topic for a while now for the past two or three years At least where we peripherally touch on Africa and the development of it and we're always saying, you know Leap-frogging allows them to be very efficient in in in wireless Equipment and they're all using smartphones, but we never really dive into it And we don't actually know what the situation is so I guess I have a few questions for you Eric and the first one What is the actual state of the the tech industry in Africa more specifically maybe about the cell Equipment do they all have I mean admittedly Africa is a very large place So I'm sure there are differences in different countries, but is everyone equipped now? Is is everyone using a cell phone? Are they using only cell phones? Can you paint us a picture in 35 seconds? So let's just kind of step back and kind of redefine Africa It's 54 countries spread across, you know, obviously an entire continent of almost a billion people, you know Speaking multiple languages multiple ethnicities. I mean, it's a very complex market So I think the more the less we kind of think of Africa as a single kind of space the better We're off so there are different pockets of it You're looking at about 15% overall internet penetration across the continent. It's rising quickly. This is definitely a mobile first Environment as our most emerging markets and frontier markets like those in South Asia South America and obviously in Africa They're making the switch. They're getting online first with feature phones Which is doing very kind of simple WAP types of messaging and when weapon environments But then now with the Chinese and this is why the Chinese are so important in Africa Because the Chinese handset makers have kind of figured out a formula to bring a smartphone at about the $50 to $60 price range And that's proving to be a magic price point for people and just vast numbers of people are now connecting to the internet for the first time Thanks to the arrival of these Android powered smartphones Now Google likes to make a big deal out of its Android one program which just launched in Africa trying to sell it Around that price point you're talking about But they're behind other handset makers here It's not just the Chinese ones Huawei and and Xiaomi are in this market Nokia actually is kind of on the way out, but it's still selling in this market. So Do any of these others Mozilla's one plus? Do they have a chance or have these have the Chinese handset makers Gotten in and gotten entrenched Well, it's the Chinese in the Korean Samsung is number one in Africa and Huawei is number two and Huawei is really gunning for Samsung to be number one But the same time I mean really you know Nexus one these are small bit players at the end of the day You know producing a 50 and 40 $50 smartphone It's not an easy thing to do and this is our smartphones that have very different product requirements Then you have in more advanced economies So Huawei builds a whole line of smartphones that are dust resistant that are much more lean on their power consumption and power Consumption is really a critical issue in Africa in part because of the inconsistency of power So people need their batteries to last a lot longer. They want to have apps that are much more efficient You know and so Huawei is building in solar panels in the back of Smartphones which is in fantastic so you can recharge automatically dust resistant water resistant much more durable People hold on to smartphones much longer than they would in other markets because of the cost so they're very specific requirements that Countries companies from developing countries oftentimes have a little bit more sensitivity and sophistication to build for and that's one of the advantages that Lenovo ZTE and Huawei Have an understanding for because they're building for the Chinese the Indian the Vietnamese and these kind of emerging markets And they have a lot more experience than the apples and and some of the Android phones that are coming out of the US Hey listening to all of those well requirements and technical descriptions. I'm sort of thinking The the the Googles and the Facebooks of the world seem like they're kind of Starting from place of well where they are with a Western Economy and the Western market and trying to adapt that to Africa and saying we're going to build cheap Android phones And we're going to do this and that when from what you're saying. I'm sort of thinking Isn't that you know, maybe the people actually on the ground there are looking at this and thinking This is cute right this is not what we need what we actually need is this that and is that is there any truth in that or No, there's not what people people, you know throughout Africa and just like here in Southeast Asia People want the same things that that everybody else wants which is connectivity. They want functionality. They want good value So there's really no different in terms of the eyes of the consumers to what they want how that's delivered Well that might vary a little bit because of the specific kind of you know Physical requirements that are that are kind of unique to to emerging markets But at the end of the day social networking mobile banking kind of communication Transportation these are the things that people really love about smartphones So there's really no difference there the key thing to think about for Google and for Facebook and it's very important You know just this past month Google was displaced here in Vietnam as the number one site and the number one search engine So it's been displaced by a local player so more and more there's competition in emerging markets and these that's why Facebook is doing this I mean we look at the headlines for Facebook and Google Why are they rolling out connectivity because they need this next billion consumers in order for their businesses to grow? Everybody who wants a Facebook account in France or the United States or Japan has one There is no more growth in the advanced markets The growth is going to be in these frontier markets And that's very very complicated because you got to get these people online And that's the first step which explains why Facebook and Google are doing these infrastructure deals I thought it was interesting you pointed out a story that in South Africa just in this past month There's been a mini explosion of video-on-demand services, which is something I don't think people associate with With a developing market when you're talking about something like that But I think that shows that there are different markets within Africa obviously, but it also shows that you know You're really getting some advanced connectivity there Well, you are and so this is really key because in the next year to actually three major Backbone trunks are going to be connected to the continent and they're starting to light up And so what we're starting to see there's these great maps of Africa would show the connectivity as these trunk lines come in You're going to start seeing just the lighting up a video and multimedia because right now the biggest problem that most African mobile you internet users have is connectivity So that's one of the things I see from my podcast traffic very very little traffic coming out of Africa Just because the download the the download kind of requirements of a 35 40 megabit Megabit podcast is still too much because they're paying for bandwidth on their mobile cards So but now that these these trunk lines are coming in into South Africa into Rwanda in East Africa And now we're seeing one into West Africa as well A lot of that traffic doesn't have to be routed by satellite or via Europe, which is what it used to have to do So video is just exploding and that's really very exciting So YouTube is going to be a big player this again This is where Twitter has to grow its audience and markets like this It's done a terrible job of doing it But the opportunity for video and monetizing video is going to be very big in Africa Let me ask you about China We often well, I guess we heard in the past few years On a regular basis the fact that China was very much involved in Africa and you've mentioned it here as well I Curious about the nature of their involvement basically are they just there to sell phones or are they also? Building plans to get the manufacturing going in Africa as well. Maybe Giving a boost to the economy there as they're the middle class in there You know in their own country in China is starting to be so widespread that may be manufactured They realize manufacturing is not going to be there forever Yeah, so that's a complicated question So on one hand in the tech space China as I said at the top of the show is playing an incredibly important role Huawei in particular in ZTE the two bigger play biggest players Lenovo as well But on the infrastructure side they're wiring up the continent much more so than any other foreign player They're building cellular data networks. They're putting in the networking gear. They're actually selling the devices They're both on the B2B and the B2C side And so those companies are making a huge contribution to connectivity and they're doing it for private sector reasons There is no political agenda here. There's no governmental agenda. They're seeing Africa as an emerging market They don't look at Africa in the same way that many do in Europe in the US, which is some kind of charity case I mean even the Facebook story was all routed through internet.org. It's some kind of nonprofit thing That's not what the Chinese do. They are looking at this as an opportunity to grow a market now in terms of the Manufacturing that you talked about that's happening, but it's happening in the low-tech space So for example, Huajin the third largest shoemaker in the world has new factories in Ethiopia High-sense, which is a white goods maker. They're now in South Africa cars are being assembled in South Africa But for the most part these are low-tech items The high-tech still isn't going to come to Africa for quite some time in part because the supply chains just aren't there And really when you look at what it takes to put a phone together It's an incredibly complicated supply chain and you need infrastructure and you need suppliers and you need sourcing and you Need you know reliable ports reliable electricity reliable roads none of that is really in place yet for tech manufacturing I think it's really interesting what you pointed out with that Facebook satellite story because If you read the press release and if you read some of the European and Middle Eastern coverage the story is Utel sat is going to provide satellite internet to Africa and Facebook's gonna provide is gonna hop along with them and provide their their internet.org service through that as well Every American tech blog was Facebook provides free internet by a satellite To Africa and I and I think that's a really important point is yes, Facebook is doing that They should do it that helps people especially in rural areas that maybe can't afford Data plans to kind of get on the internet and maybe build up a business where they can but that's not the entire story of Africa There are incredibly viable startup communities in Nigeria in Kenya in Irwanda All all over the continent as you point out, which is a vast continent Yeah, and there's a very exciting startup community obviously in Accra in Johannesburg Nairobi is really a great hub Kigali and Rwanda a lot of tech going on there in part because the bandwidth So if you want to see where the startup hubs are follow where the connectivity is and once you see the connectivity You'll start to see communities and then they're gonna build products Which are again unique to the local market the the best case and this is the showcase that everybody talks about is in Pesa Out of Nairobi, which is the money transfer, you know But at the same time localized search is coming up localized You know transportation apps are coming up and it's a very exciting space again my only kind of final point We should do what the Chinese do We don't the Chinese don't look at Africa as a basket case or a charity case And we have to look at Africa as really an amazing dynamic place Where there's a lot of interesting things going on and where there's money to be made in businesses to be opened Hey, I have one last question How much is iPhones is Apple selling in Africa? Is that a virtual? No, this is one of those kind of those dark spaces for for Apple because they the price point is simply too high and And it's just for the vast majority of consumers the elites sure There's a small number of elites that travel and then there's probably a gray market like there is here in Vietnam For the most part, this is an Android and still a kind of a feature phone market I know when I when I look over the list of where they're going on sale And by the way, iPhone's going on sale internationally in 40 different markets today Cairo, Johannesburg, that's usually what you see that's as far as Africa goes. Yeah, that's right And so but that may spread a little bit But you know at about a thousand dollars a phone eight hundred dollars a phone That's a pretty big chunk of money and so it'll be some time before we see a mass A massive kind of play for Apple in Africa It's an interesting question Patrick because it is sort of an index of where a market is right China now is a big market For the iPhone it didn't used to be India is starting to be although it's not a huge market yet and and and that's sort of Following that trajectory the the iPhone kind of goes where when things start to get economically Wealthy, I don't know what the right word is but when they keep your eye on these Chinese manufacturers because I've noticed just here in Vietnam Which is Vietnam is a very similar market to Africa in terms of per capita income the Chinese fan-sat Manus makers opal Xiaomi are coming in and a very big way at the top end of the market And they're really eating into Apple's market share here in these emerging markets So Apple's got a fight on its hands for these new markets and you know The App Store also creates second secondary problems that a lot of the Android apps are cheaper and free Whereas you know the the Apple apps have to pay for more and so people kind of take that into concern as well I wonder if at some point once those markets start to open up. We're not going to see the App Store change a little bit and more variable pricing or Maybe not let me just kind of be up front here is that everybody in my office, you know And I showed them my iPhone.  They said you don't pay for apps. Do you and I said, well, yeah, what do you do? And they're like they laughed at me that I So they're hacking, you know, they're all of the apps here on the on the Apple platform are all free So that's a very part of the reality here. Thank you so much for sharing your insights with us This is not a topic. We're done with by any means Jenny and I were talking yesterday We have plans to to maybe do a special report on it or bring other guests on bring Eric back for sure So I really appreciate you talking with us, man. Hey, it's my pleasure always always fun All right, a couple things before we get out of here pick of the day comes from Clint who suggests How the internet really works is a great series of blog posts by Russ White That explains how the technology of the internet works including DNS routing peering standards bodies How it's all connected together how every company involved makes money while most packet pushers content is deep into technology That only network operators would care about this series is accessible for anyone wanting to understand more about how the internet really works So if you've been curious about interconnects and DNS and peering and all of that stuff Check out NTWRK. Guru will have a direct link to the blog post in our show notes And then it takes you over to the packet pushers blog posts He's got them all collected nicely on that one page Just just a nice little collection there. Thank you Clint for sending that along Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show calm You can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Now Patrick when you heard about Facebook testing Emojis in a in alternative to their like button what emoji would you have picked to represent your feelings? Angry Well it sounds like if I had said like it would have been underwhelming so I went with angry well rich in Chapel Hill, North Carolina Has an alternative suggestion. He says I'm listening into the discussion about what should we add to Facebook?  It could work. It's uh, it's also a little bit more Facebook's own thing I Really think that's a very good idea. Yeah works Something generic that means more than just like It's almost it's a neutral because because feels can be angry feels sometimes. Yeah, exactly feels is completely adaptive It's just it provokes feelings in me. It's emotion some kind of emotion. It's it's pretty good All right, we'll see what the Irish and the Spanish Turn out in their test because they're the only country's getting it so far Finally with regard yesterday's discussion of the Indonesian app clue Had several people here in the US say hey my city does this too Alan says we have something quite similar in Los Angeles called my la 311 Alison and I were talking about we need this in LA. Well, guess what? We already had it. We just didn't know it one can upload a geotagged photo with a choice of service requests including pothole Streetlight repair illegal dumping and so forth. I've used this app perhaps a half dozen times I found the city's response to be fairly prompt. I recommend it highly Tom Schmidt on twitter said look up c-click fix It's available for multiple cities. He lives in minneapolis and says that it is paid attention to in that city And then james from pleasantly cool and apparently tech forward milwaukee Pointed out that the city of milwaukee has their own app He said they have an app to report potholes other service issues I'm happy to say milwaukee is on top of this already and I have used it with positive results How often do you hear stories about government working? I've I've seen a couple of apps That work in france as well and they're actually private companies Being then licensed. Well, they're licensing the product to government, you know, mayoral offices and things like that So I think many of them might not be or some of them might not be actually initiated by the government So well, yeah, it sounds like c-click fix isn't but that the city pays attention to it And yeah, and the milwaukee and the la ones are actually official apps that the that the city government are supporting. So That's really interesting. Um anyone else outside the us or inside the us Who has examples of these? I thought it was interesting that indonesia was doing this and apparently it's a worldwide trend So we'd love to hear from you That is it for the show. Uh, we were we are going to look at lens art in just a moment But before we go, uh patrick bezia Where can folks find more of you besides next tuesday when you'll be back on the normal tuesdays? Well, they can find more of me on twitter at not patrick dot Not patrick. That's it. No dot com. Uh, that's my twitter handle It's also on facebook my twitter handle and you can find the show pixels on french spin dot com Where actually mr. Tom merit was officiating Last uh for the latest episode. We discussed, uh, video gaming news with tom and tim stevens And it was uh pretty international as well. It was fun. Yeah, tim was over in japan So that that helped spread it out a little bit as well Eric ulander, thank you so much again Tell folks a little more about the china africa project where they can find it and what they'll find Sure, we've got a facebook community of almost a quarter of a million people at facebook.com slash china africa project Great place to kind of talk about tech and politics and diplomacy and kind of get past the stereotypes and caricatures of both china and africa Also, we do a weekly podcast. Uh, just look over on itunes for china and africa and we'll come right on up Uh, and so we do that every week and then you can follow me on twitter at e olander E o l a n d e r with the top china africa story. It's almost every day Len peralta has been busy at work creating some art. What do you got for us? Len? Well, you know, you just speaking of feels Right, uh, I wanted to do something that you know, uh, since you're talking about broadband in in africa and in china Things like that in africa I thought the the person the people who are going to benefit the most Are going to be the children and uh, I you know, I kind of had this whole idea of you know These kids who are going to be using this incredible, uh, uh technology within the next probably a couple two or three years so you have a young man wearing the aqueous rift and uh Young woman you you know holding on to an ipad which is of course She's a big fan of dts and if you look over in the corner. It says Hello, mr. Tom. Hello, mr. Eric. Hello, mr. Beja We Heart dts. Can we be bosses too? Yes, of course Absolutely Hey, so, uh, yeah, actually what do you think Eric when I like it I was looking at the picture and I thought I read Hello, mr. Tom. Hello, mr. Eric. Hello, mrs. Beja No, no, no Yeah, and I love that they're uh that that you've got like the irc chat Uh kind of effect going on with the aqueous rift on it's it's really good, man I wanted to do something a little bit different here. Um speaking of bosses. I wanted to mention, um Well, you can get this print if you go to my online store at lend parol to store.com But I also want to let you know this week I started at my patreon which is patreon.com forward slash lend If you want to get a dts boss avatar, that's one where I customize by me drawing you For a uh as an avatar You if you back at the two dollar and 52 $2 50 50 cent level you can become you can get one of those you can get one of those So go to patreon.com forward slash lend find out how to do that Excellent, uh and of course lend parol to store.com to take a look at the drawing and even buy a print of it if you like it Which I like it so I think you might like it too Thank you to all our bosses, uh folks We couldn't do it without you everybody who supports the show whether it's on paypal Or in the store just buying stuff or or on patreon patreon.com slash ace detect You guys are the reason we're able to continue to do the show. 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Thanks so much. Thank you very much. It's always a pleasure anytime Absolutely, uh, likewise Eric, uh, and I super appreciate you being willing to get up so early and oh, I do this Listen, Tom, I think I'm gonna be coming through la in january and it'd be fun to just come Grab a cup of coffee and finally meet in person. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, if you do, uh, let me know for sure I'd love that. That'd be great.  All right. Sounds good. Yeah I'm real close to lax too. So nice. So I don't have to go very far. Yeah, exactly Okay guys, I'll talk to you later back I feel like we'd have that guy on the show all the time if he wasn't at 2 30 in the morning, right? I know uh, and patrick, thank you for being willing to shift the day around To make it easier for Eric that it was totally worth it. I think that was great No problem. Yeah, I really like Eric. I think he's great and uh, I'm always happy to have him on the show. Well, yeah, thank you for introducing me to him in the first place Uh, it was I think a filious club connection that you had had, right? Yeah Think so. Yeah, he was uh, I I first met him when he was working in paris at france van kout van kout That's right. Um, yeah, and he he contacted me and got him into the show and yeah, so Yeah, when we first because you recommended him we had him on tech news today and he was still working in paris I think at the time Yeah, yeah So title wise what should we pick? Um Well, don't everyone talk at once last be last me in Uh is currently leading the pack Does that like let me in yeah, but with the horror movie? Yeah, let the right one in is the The official name of the original the last passing of last pass. Oh my gosh That one's actually that one's got some poetry to it.  Yeah Uh bless the tech down in africa Uh That's pretty good that made lend laugh I bless the tech down we have last pout Um That's pretty elegant actually yeah, can you feels it? Can you feel last mean? Do we go with the africa headline or log me out? I've kind of between those two it for me log me out is my vote Yeah, all right. I love me out is pretty Although it's it's so negative Well, yeah, I mean we're not sure I am gonna vote for the bless the tech in africa even though it only has four That made me laugh Uh Yeah, because that's that's what the show is about man Go to take some time to build some Healthy discussion about log mean versus last pass It's a total loss Oh Hey, that's your head. There it is Oh, how about a friends related thing? Oh, no friend. There's nothing man Well, I I thought I thought we would have enough friends references to call the this one Uh, the one where they talk about africa I guess we didn't deliver on that but did did you talk about you talked about the friends reference thing in the show though, right? Yeah, I did The one where they talk about africa is really good I vote for that just on pure 90s Even though you made me so much older patrick by calling it an 80s show I know I said 90s. I said 90s. All right top of the show. You said 80s and I was like I'm going with the one where they talk about africa. That's good. Oh, yes I You know and and also like just so jeff back all our nose It's on the record that we're doing it because of friends. We're not trying to rip off the 404 Which also does this that's always done this for their headlines Hey, uh, has anybody played the uh battlefront beta yet? Yes Uh, it took me 24 hours to download it. So I only got to play it for a minute literally one minute So I'm going to do that tonight Um, yeah, there are only two maps there. It's kind of fun I when I first launched it for the first 10 minutes. I thought it was Incredibly fun and then after 20 minutes. I was like, yeah, it's fun So I'm sort of worried that after half an hour it would be like well It's the tattooing map and uh, is there is there multiplayer? Can you do multiplayer? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's basically your multiplayer There's just a tattooing in a jaku map They're all and they're both just like generic desert scenes. No, it's kashik. It's uh, you know, no one wants to go to kashik No, there's tattooing which is a small like one objective based map that yeah, I'll play a little bit of that right So the other one is the um, uh, what's the snow planet hoth Hoth. Yes. Thank you.  I will check. I think you can do both. Yeah. Oh nice. I will do that Yeah, I get a text from my son at midnight or 12 30 dad. You gotta you gotta download the beta You gotta go. I have been all day. I haven't had a chance to play it. It's so cool It's so the server's just getting hammered. Is that why it took so long? I don't know I might have been my connection or something because he you know people were getting it quicker, but it's eight gigs I mean, that's a lot to download. Yeah. PSN is notorious for being slow Sometimes a quick tip it helps a lot if you pause it and restart it Okay. Yeah, yeah that probably probably sends you to another different batch of servers. Maybe yeah overnight I was worried because when I went to bed last night, it was only 36. I'm thinking oh, I want to wake up It's gonna be like 46, but it was close to 70 or 80. So I didn't have to wait too long this morning But um looking forward to playing it. It's gonna be cool I'm looking forward to clone wars after the trailer that came out this week. Oh, yeah, you know ton more of uh, Ahsoka tano and darth vader So a little bit of the old little bit. I've not seen that show. Um It's good. Yes. We're only uh, let's see the ninth We're only we're we're a little over two months from new star wars, man.  I I don't know if you remember that I really hadn't remembered that until you read it in my favor. You guys get in on the 15th Uh, I can't remember. It's like three days to Oh, yeah Well, you can give us a review and you can say is Patrick's just gonna come on the show and tell us like all of the secrets I'm gonna no, I already just gonna cut. No, you should just come on go. It was okay I know one of the secrets Uh, I actually this is cool. I can't say much more than this, but no don't say any more than that No, no, no, no spoilers on the movie.  So no, I just want to correct myself. I said clone wars earlier. I met the trailer for rebels Thank you. Love Robin for correction. Go ahead Len. Oh, I I am I actually I actually know someone who worked on Star Wars So it was and I know a little bit about what they did on the force awakens particularly. I explain. Yes. Yeah You know what? I know someone that knows someone who worked on uh, I do too I know ryan brushwood who knows greg grunberg. I bet jenny josephson knows tons of people who know people Funny grunny worked on star wars. He works on every jj abram's movie in some capacity. Yeah, really Funny grunny, huh? Is he in the new heroes? um, yeah I haven't been watching it, but I saw him in the trailer. Have you watched it jenny? Nope I I recorded it. I was set to watch it I I even started it. I was like, I do not need this again Anytime I go to watch it I lean around and I lean is like nope Yeah, is that one guy talked too much the um the indian doctor.  I went through this experiment in the o's and I don't need to go through it again It was a moment of perfect clarity for me It had so much that's the thing everybody that talked about everybody I've talked to about it was like It had so much potential Yep, they squandered it some shows should not come back. They squanched it They squanched it now. They wanted to bring back friends. I'd be okay with that well, the The the second half of friends was really not great Uh, that's sort of like the second half of x files I guess I think they should have a friends reunion called enemies and it's about how they all be old and bitter and And all them bitter are they just all or no, no, no, it's the alternate timeline. That's the alternate timeline. Just like I made on a community Actually, it would be time for friends reunion. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, the fact that it came back on streaming and everybody's taught you like you for instance or rewatching it like Yeah, I expect that groundwork is being laid in some conference room somewhere That would be awesome. They're gonna get 35 billion dollars per episode each one of them Yep Well, I mean a reunion the question is which one of them is gonna hold out and say I don't want to do it There's always one well If if that happens we can you know, well, actually none of them have has done anything for a while They'll take the money. It'll be the naked guy. You're completely wrong. I'm sorry. They've all done tons of stuff since then Yes, but in actually five years joey had an Emmy nominated show Yeah, it's called joey Oh for episodes, right, right, right and then uh Um, what's her name with the dark hair TV had Web therapy and also, um Uh, uh the comeback came back and also the comeback post friends helped like totally define mocking sitcom mockumentaries and then chandler while not having a show that totally took off has been making major network bank doing all like the odd couple doing, um The one before that was the one where he was like in in in widow therapy widower therapy um, and Jennifer Aniston has a lovely career in advertising But also like I mean, hey like let's let's credit where credit is due. Um, what's what was the uh, the the, um Cougars something to Cougar town Courtney Cougar town. Thank you Is probably doing the best of anyone with Cougar town So let's all get our facts in a row. You're gonna be on current geek. You better be up on the geeky current Okay, listen. I don't call all they've been doing. I mean, it's okay. They've been doing okay, but I don't think they would turn down All right, I gotta stop talking because otherwise I'll just keep talking and it's gonna get No, I think he's asking a fair question.  I don't need that I think they would do it to all get back together and hang out But there's always the go back to my question There's always the one who's like, uh, I just don't want to go back to that I don't there's always one in every one of those reunions who's like, no Listen, Tom. It's just for one episode. Like it's a it's a Christmas special We're not asking you to commit to to well. Yeah, there you go 2016 I think they would only want I'll tell you what I'll tell you how I think they would do it They would only do it if word never leaked out that they were doing it And then that would be that they just dropped it on Thanksgiving Um, that would be awesome We I ate dinner below one of the apartments from friends when I was out in new york at this time last year They used they used the building as the exterior Then you danced in the fountain Did you get an autograph from the building and then I went to central park Uh, no, I just kept trying to look up and go.  They had to move them down the stairs and it was like an hour long episode No, what maybe that should be the reunion No, it was They got to move them down No, there was an episode in in which, uh, uh Bros tried to move uh couch up his stairwell Though in a v naked guy's we're gonna get a 10 speed of brown shoe reunion Oh, oh that'd be who was uh, it was uh, that's jeff goldblum and That other guy No, you know, I want I'd love to see them reboot uh, uh, Cold check the night I wanted to say ben verine and then I had the panic moment where I'm like I'm gonna be wrong And it's gonna and it's gonna be insulting, but it's ben verine. It was ben verine. Yeah, really, uh, all right tom In an hour and a half Right Yes, uh, I'm just finishing up the post right now and then yes in A mere 90 minutes patrick and iable Rejoin each other for current geek with scott johnson and garret weinserl So join us again On most of these frog pants networks, and I've got to figure out what i'm doing for dinner. Who knows? Uh eating could be a good eating would be good Yeah, all right French and they're cuisine And Go to you in 19 minutes. See you. All right. I'm gonna take off too. All right. Have a good dinner. Whatever you decide on Uh, yeah, I think it'll be food whatever it will be. So good. It's good choice.  So maybe I'll buy him some socks Okay, yeah gummy socks. What's wrong with that kid? Anyway, anyway, all right. All right. We'll see you. Bye everybody


USS Freedom, the first ship of its class, made a port call at Naval Base Guam as part of its eight-month deployment to the western Pacific. Freedom is a littoral combat ship designed to work in close to coastlines in areas too shallow for other Navy vessels to go. Now, the training that we've gone through has been quite extensive, assured in our synthetic trainers as well as on board the ship outside of San Diego. Doing the exercises have taken a lot of hard work, but we're all excited as a crew to be doing this deployment as main deployment. Freedom's crew will conduct a variety of activities while in port here in Guam, including resupply activities and community relations projects before continuing its eight-month deployment. Patrick Franklin, Naval Base, Guam.


Ah hello and welcome to vlogtober. I am at home now but it's pretty late. It is 7 30. Yeah and I just got home. Actually I did walk the dog and now I'm back. Like warm in areas but also really cold in areas like I'm cold on my face and my fingertips but my body's warm because you know walking. So I got my mail today and I got something pretty awesome. I got little marshmallow dudes and clearly I understand that once more with love these are called munchkins because I was schooled by a planner friend of mine named Jody not Life's Organized Chaos Jody but other Jody in the Minnesota planner group because I referred to these little people as marshmallows one time and she's like you know they're not called marshmallows right they're called munchkins I'm like I don't know they look like marshmallows don't they look like marshmallows I don't know I thought they looked like marshmallows but anyway I wanted to show you guys what I got from once more with love I will leave a link down below and I just want to show you hold on. So believe it or not I think this is my pretty sure this is my first order with this company but I wanted to stock up on a few of these because I just thought they were kind of fun so I got a Vegas one and I got like one that's all these receipts and I got a nap time one because I love me some naps a washi one a headache one I could use this last week but yeah I had a massive migraine last week but yep need that this one is some cute little holiday things so much fun more holiday things just like more like wrapping and shopping kind of and then we've got snow ones which it's coming guys it's coming and oh I thought that these Bob Ross ones were like hella cute are those fun and then these ones are like some shopping ones and more cold weather ones and then we've got some I don't want to do adulting things yes and then these are like a little sampler of some favorites which I thought were kind of fun and then oh Amazon clearly I need that all the time and then Ikea because Ikea is amazing and let's see holiday stuff again and then let's see more holiday stuff so I thought that was kind of fun oh and then this was included in my order it was like a little freebie and then there's this big thing that I don't know what to do with this but I don't know it's like not my thing but I think it's cute I just don't know what the heck I'd ever do with it so now I am stocked up on marshmallows so yeah that was exciting and actually life's organized chaos jody and I were texting today and she was saying that she had gotten an erin chondron order and was wondering if I ordered on the same day and I did but alas I did not get my erin chondron order but that probably means that I'm getting it tomorrow because she lives further south than me south north east west however that goes so yeah that um here's what's going on and I have to unload the dishwasher at some point today normally I do that in the morning but I forgot to run the dishes last night so they were ran this morning so it's time to do them now but Doyle is upstairs because it is officially his time with the heat vent because that's what he does when he when I get home especially from walking him oh he's not on the heat vent it's not on right now hi bud what are you doing in here huh what are you doing he's such a cute boy buddy he's such a cute boy wow Doyle you're weird you're weird I know I know you're so cute I'm gonna make a little dinner I'm gonna reheat my bacon pasta deliciousness and I have to email Ryan tonight my video link that's gonna go up tomorrow which is gonna be awesome I'm so excited for it and um yeah so I've got a couple of things to do tonight so I'm gonna see you guys in a little bit when I check in and all that stuff and I'm gonna put on some comfy clothes right now so I'll see you guys in a little bit all right so I got all of my work done that I needed to get done and I'm treating myself by watching some Schitt's Creek because it's amazing and I made myself some hot chocolate because another treat yourself moment and yes I do realize there is a lot of liquid in there but I I'll just like heat it up some milk in a pan like a sauce pan I can't talk today a sauce pan wow and um I didn't measure it before and I like got all the way at the tippy top so um yes I'm kind of waiting for this to cool off a little bit and then I'm going to enjoy this and sip on it while I watch the rest of Schitt's Creek so very exciting um I don't think I'm gonna do any more editing tonight because I have an edit for tomorrow already I know I'm always running like a couple of days behind on the vlogs but you know what I'm getting them done when I can get done and um tomorrow is a new day so maybe I'll do some stuff tomorrow you never know but um I'm gonna call it quits today I've just had a chill day and I really don't have like anything else interesting to say I just kind of want to watch tv and do nothing so um Doyle's right here because he thinks that chocolate's for dogs and it's clearly not I don't think he's ever tasted chocolate before but um but yeah so that's it for me today I hope you guys enjoyed the video if you did make sure to give it a thumbs up as per usual feel free to subscribe and I hope to see you all in the next video bye guys well folks it's time to kick it old school


what is going on guys today I am back with another destiny video and today I'm going to show you guys how you can obtain the red memorial exotic sewer regime ornament but before we get into it if you guys do enjoy the video leaving a like is much appreciated and as always to be with a chance of winning my weekly emblem giveaway simply leave a comment down below now we all know that the treasure of the age packages are the main place to obtain the new ornaments that come with the age of triumph but there is one not obtainable from these packages and it's the red memorial for the sewer regime now to start off your road to get this you have to collect the age of triumph quest from the speaker and let me tell you guys this isn't sure and simple it really ain't now there are many steps to it which I'll run you guys through right now the first part of the quest is for you to complete five weekly story missions from the weekly story playlist which we've done that you are then under eternal vigilance part of the quest where you have to complete three patrol missions and the following destinations the Cosmodrome the Plague lands the moon Mars Venus and the dreadnought which isn't hard to do but it is time-consuming the next part of the quest is called shining your light in which you can do one of two things you can either kill three champions someone by antiquated ruins within the quart of Oryx or kill three perfected champions someone within the arkans forge once you've done that you need to go and have a chat with the speaker he will then guide you to complete three see the crisis strikes once you have done that the next step is called in the gloom he have to complete a weekly nightfall once you have done that the next step is called up to the challenge here you have to complete the challenge of the elders remember a schedule to get into the challenge of the elders is required to enter this can be brought from values within the reef once you've completed the challenge of the elders the next step is called victory or death here you have to complete two crucible bounties obtained from Lord Shaxx now don't get these mixed up with a normal crucible bounties these actually obtained from Shaxx himself he brings two per week now and they are kind of longing themselves to complete they normally consist of seven completed matches within a certain game mode primary kills and two associated with the actual game mode the bounty is for for example control you have to capture 15 control points and get a beeline medal which is basically capturing the b flag first within a match they ain't hard to do but they do take a while and they can get a little TDS for the average PvE player but once you've done that you can now rest as the quest for the red memorial is complete simply head back to the speaker to collect your rewards I say rewards because you also get a random legendary weapon for this part of the quest too so yes guys now you have the red memorial source regime exotic ornament which I actually like I mean it looks retro it looks old-school but I actually like the look of it it ain't as good as the other source regime ornament but it's still one for the collection now this actually doesn't finish this quest at the moment this is the stage I am at though but I thought I'd share it with you guys anyway because of the speculation about the second source ornament and how it's obtained if this quest does offer anything unique I will be sure to share it with you guys in a video but that guys is it for this video hope you guys enjoyed it I hope it helped you out also subscribe if you're new around here and enjoy daily destiny videos hit that bell button see next to the subscribe button to receive email notifications when I upload that's if you want to but thanks as always for stopping by I appreciate the support and as always guys I will see you on that next one


Hey, this is Brett and this 2022 Ram 1500 Crew Cab Short Box Laramie is stock number 22T83. We're here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, you're new and used Ram and light duty truck headquarters. This 2022 Ram 1500 has the 3-liter V6 Eco diesel engine, puts out 240 horsepower, 480 foot-pounds of torque. It's going to get you 29 miles per gallon on the highway, 21 city for a combined average of 24 miles per gallon. Patriot blue metallic is the color, we're going to go all the way around on this truck. Inside check out all the options, get up close and personal, check out this Patriot blue color and if you like the video and how we do things here at Summit Automotive, consider clicking the subscribe button and lower right hand part of the screen because we do videos like this each and every day of all our new and used inventory. Then click the bell notification so we get updates every time we do those videos. You can see the Laramie package comes with the chrome trimmed grille, the chrome tow hooks in the front as well and the front bumper parking sensors that are conveniently hidden in all the black plastic there. Here's the LED headlamps, LED running lights which are down here and the LED fog lamps as well. We'll turn all those on at the end of the video so you can see just how bright they are. You get the fender flares with the Laramie package and these are my favorite Ram rims. They come with the Laramie, they're a 20 inch polished aluminum and then they have the granite crystal inserts, painted inserts there, or they're actually not inserts but painted pockets. Bridgestone Duler HL tires, these are 275-55R20s, they have kind of a highway tread pattern to them. Patriot Blue, one of my favorite colors on the Ram's has a lot of metal flake to it and it's really a bright blue in the sunlight, looks really good. You get all the chrome 1500 badges on the hood, the chrome mirrors and the chrome Ram logo has the wheel-to-wheel side steps on this one, we'll check out the original window sticker. If you feel free to pause this at any time, I'm not going to go through everything but most of it. You can see it is a 2022 Ram 1500 Laramie, 3-liter V6 eco diesel, 8-speed automatic, everything on your left there is your standard equipment and then the optional equipment starts right there. The Patriot Blue Procode is only 100 bucks. The chrome appearance group is 1095, you get the chrome tow hooks, bright daylight opening moldings, wheel-to-wheel side steps, so basically you're paying for those side steps right there with the chrome appearance group. This is a Laramie level A equipment group which is 1995, comes with the automatic high beam headlamp control, park sense front and rear parking sensors, rain-sensitive windshield wipers, power tailgate release and then this has the 60-40 split folding and reclining rear seat, has the all-weather floor mats which are 135 bucks, anti-spin differential which is 495 and then the turbo diesel is 4995, the rear wheelhouse liners are 195, the 33-gallon fuel tanks 445 and then the Uconnect 5 system with nav is 795. That's a really nice radio, we'll go over that in just a second and then those special rims are 1395 bucks. The MSRP is $65,990, if you want to get your summit price in the upper right hand part of the screen is a link to our website with all the rebates and incentives on this particular truck. Three-year 36-bumper to bumper, five-year 100,000 powertrain, that's because it has the diesel engine, the diesels all come with the 100,000 mile powertrain, otherwise it would be 60,000. There's your highway miles per gallon in city and your average of 24 and Ram's very safe vehicles, five and four stars up and down the board for these safety ratings so you definitely feel good transporting your family in these trucks. Now this is the 5 foot 7 inch box, look at those rear wheelhouse liners, the Ram's 1500s all come with the rear coil springs so really a smooth riding truck, you get the LED tail lamps there as well, the chrome tipped dual rear exhaust full towing package which includes a receiver hitch 4 pin and 7 pin wiring and that power drop down tailgate, you can see it's got the shock down assist so it's never going to slam down on you which is a really nice feature. All the Ram's come with bed rail covers, keep your investment looking good and they all come with the capless fuel fill now even if it wasn't a diesel which is really nice, never get gas or fuel on your hands ever again. Enter and go system so you just have to have the key on you, put your hand in here it'll automatically unlock, you get the heated power mirrors, blind spot mirrors and directional signals in there. Inside the Laramie level A group gives you the black leather and suede interior, you get the gray piping on the seats, the Laramie stitched into the backrest, does have driver's side lumbar, those all weather floor mats are very nice and it does have auto headlamps and power pedals, power windows, power locks, power mirrors, this comes with the nice dark wood grain trim and the suede inserts on the doors and these mirrors do power fold in which is a nice feature as well. We'll hop inside check out the radio, the instrument cluster and everything that this truck has to offer on the interior, you can see you get the 7 inch LCD display here and that's really good looking. You can change all these corners to read pretty much whatever you want and it does have the digital speedometer. This one has the heated leather wrap steering wheel, you get cruise controls and gear selector on the right, Bluetooth and information center controls on the left and you do get those audio controls on the back of the steering wheel. Push button start, push button four wheel drive, your eight speed rotary shifter automatic transmission and then this one has the Uconnect 5 radio so this is actually run on Android and it's supposed to be five times faster than the Uconnect 4C radio, that's what they claim. But you can see it has the nav there, you get your home screen so you can like set this screen up, you can make these the full screen, you can edit what you want up there so that's really cool. You have all your different vehicle options, we can check out the backup camera, I love that they've made these backup cameras HD so they're crystal clear, you can zoom in on the receiver hitch as well to get hooked up to your boat camper or trailer the first time. You have all your different apps in here including Android Auto, Apple CarPlay and you can set everything up through here, you can just see all the different things that come with this radio and we could spend hours on this radio but really a cool system. So even though it's a level A you still get heated and cooled seats in the front and a heated steering wheel dual climate controls, stability control, tow haul, front and rear parking sensors and then you do get a 115 volt 400 watt plug-in down there, you get the wood grain trim above the radio, the leather wrapped dash, the Laramy logo right there, this one has the speakers, the Alpine sound system so you do get the speakers in the ceiling back there, assistant SOS buttons, map lights and then your power sliding where window button has an auto dimming mirror and then home link buttons for your garage door security systems and lighting systems. You get this center console here, you get two cup holders, not a ton of storage space in there but enough I'd say, looks like it has a spot for a pen or a pencil and then the seat does fold up and then there is storage underneath here and you do get a little bit more storage right there. As far as I saw only two cup holders, you get a coin holder right there and extra storage bin there too and then down here you get two USBs, two USB C's and an Augs jack. We'll take a look at the back seats and then we'll start it up and take one final walk around to check out those LED lights all lit up, lots of room in the rams, they also have a flat floor back here which is nice if you got pets they got a nice flat place to lay and they're not going to wreck your seats so you can see that these seats do recline just a little bit, they also fold up like so and you get two USBs, two USB C's back here as well and then another 115 volt 400 watt plug-in power sliding rear window with the built-in rear defrost, these headrests do fold down for better visibility and yeah, child safety locks in the back doors, the back doors are trimmed out just like the front doors, let's start it up you can hear how quiet that eco diesel runs and then we'll check out all those lights, starts right up, take a look under the hood as well and we'll start back here with all those lights, love that Patriot blue, you also get LED license plate lights, if I was going to get a ram I definitely would have to have the LED lights on it, I think it just makes these trucks look so much better and they're super bright which is nice, eco diesel is a really quiet engine and yeah, there's your emissions sticker and that is the Ram Laramie level A in Patriot blue with the eco diesel, I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today and hopefully from this HD video you will have gotten a really good idea of the overall looks, styling and options on this particular truck and to see more pictures of this truck or one of our other 450 new news cars, trucks, SUVs, minivans, Wranglers, halftones, three-quarter tons, one tons, you name it we got to go to that website right there summitauto.com full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations all at summitauto.com and if you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summit auto remember to like subscribe and share on this video and all the videos that you see there click the bell notifications you'll get updates on the videos we do each and every day here at summit auto in fact in a second you will see a link to subscribe to our YouTube channel in the upper left a link to more ram 1500 truck videos like this one in the upper right a link to this vehicle on a website in the lower left and a link to one of our latest YouTube videos in the lower right click those check us out and we're super excited to help you with this ultra clean 2000 or brand-new 2022 ram 1500 crew cab short box Laramie level a in Patriot blue metal thanks again for checking out the video remember to like subscribe and share I really appreciate it