My name is Linda Kellum. I'm the government resources section of the North Carolina Library Association. And thanks for coming today. We have a great webinar planned for you. I've been putting links into the North Carolina Library Association's government resources sections website as well as our YouTube channel. So if you're interested in more of our offering, then feel free to go to those and find more information there. Today's webinar is entitled North Carolina Government Document's Historic Current and Available Online. Denise Jones is our presenter. She has been the state publication's clearinghouse liaison at the state library's government and heritage library since 2012. As liaison, she stays in contact with North Carolina state agencies to collect and make available the myriad of state government publications, both print and digital. She also collaborates with libraries and state agencies to have significant older print publications digitized and made available through the government and heritage collection, heritage's online collections. So today I've got a few things I want to cover. First, since Linda said I am with the state library of North Carolina, I want to talk a little bit about that just to explain it. Then to talk about our state government digital publications collection. And for many of those items, it's a hybrid collection. Then we'll talk about our state agencies, our catalog, and then talk to you about how you can request online versions of state publications. Well, the state library of North Carolina was established in 1812, and it is the principal library of state government. The current state library is made up of three parts. First is the library for the blind and physically handicapped, and they just celebrated their 60th anniversary in September. This library serves blind people and others who can't handle standard print material either because of a visual disability or perhaps a physical disability, such as being paralyzed or even someone that suffers from dyslexia. The second group, part of the state library, is our library development group. And those folks offer programming and training and consulting and managed grants for the public libraries around North Carolina, both big and small. And then the third part of the state library is the government and heritage library, which specializes in print and digital information about North Carolina. And I am part of the government and heritage library. We also refer to it as a GHL. The physical library itself is located in downtown Raleigh, sometimes called the Archives Building, and we're between the Legislative Building and the Governor's Mansion. The mission of the government and heritage library is to preserve and facilitate public access to state government information, to advance the study and understanding and appreciation of North Carolina's cultural heritage, and to provide library resources and services that support the operational needs of state government agencies. In addition, the GHL is by law the official permanent depository for North Carolina government publications, and it also facilitates public access to the government publications. So the point of today's talk is about accessing government information and publications, both historic and current. Well, items in the state documents collection here at the GHL date back to the 18th century. For many years, state documents were only issued in print, of course, and the GHL has about 100,000 state documents in its print collection. But over the years as technology advanced and also as state budgets shrank, the agencies have moved more and more to digital publishing and sometimes have dropped print publishing completely. So in 2007, the GHL created a digital repository for those born digital agency publications, a way to collect those. And now for the past few years, the GHL has been digitizing some of the older print publications we have in the collection, so that they too are accessible electronically. Now this is the home page and search page for the digital collection of state publications, and that would be both our born digital and those items that have been digitized. So let's look at what the collection offers. If you look on the far right of that screen, we highlight what we call titles of interest. And these are all significant serial publications from various North Carolina state agencies. So many of these are a hybrid collection. We'll talk about that a little bit more later. But of course it means that some issues are born digital and some have been digitized from print copies. Most of the titles on this titles of interest list are considered core publications for state government. And if you look, notice the time range for many of the serials. We have a couple that go back into the 1700s, several from the 1800s. So there's a depth of time in those items. The last item on that list was North Carolina reports. I want to start by talking about those. These are the opinions of North Carolina Supreme Court and the opinions go back to 1778. That was before the court was even called the Supreme Court. The administrative office of the court publishes these opinions both in print and now electronically. When we first began the project was getting the complete collection of North Carolina reports into a digital collection. I found that AOC had CDs of the individual volumes of North Carolina reports going back to the very first volume. Attorneys and researchers could use these CDs but they had to load each volume or CD separately to search. So they weren't terribly useful for doing research. Well we loaded all the CDs for the issues that we already did not have electronically and we created the collection you see here. And if you notice this collection contains not only North Carolina reports which date back to 1778 but it also contains all the opinions of the North Carolina Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals was created by the General Assembly in 1967 and the first opinions were released in 1968. So these court reports contain both the opinions of those courts. This is, there are currently 368 volumes of North Carolina reports. And this is just a screenshot from the, these are the first two volumes from the what 1778 to 1804 and 1789 to 1778. They sort of overlap but this, and as each new report is issued these are added to the collection. Now this on the left is the title page from the first volume. And notice as I said earlier the North Carolina Supreme Court was then called Superior Court in Court of Conference and that was from 1778 to 1805. So the earliest volumes do not say Supreme Court. Well while we were working on getting the older volumes into the digital collection the librarians at the Supreme Court alerted me that there was much more in the court opinion volumes than just the opinions themselves. Over at the Supreme Court they have a growing collection of portraits of former chief and associate justices that hang on the courtroom walls as well as they line the walls of the justice building. Now these portraits were often donated by families of the justices and at the formal presentation of the portrait to the court colleagues as well as family members generally made remarks on the career and life of the subject of the portrait. These remarks are known as portrait presentations and they offer unique and biographical glimpses and often contain rich genealogical and historical information that perhaps is not contained anywhere else. In addition to the portrait presentations the North Carolina Supreme Court occasionally honors a recently deceased justice with a memoir proceeding. It's a format that resembles a more traditional eulogy although shorter and the memorial proceedings are still rich with biographical information. So the text of both these presentations and proceedings are included in the same volume as whatever time period the Supreme Court report is. But there was no index to the portrait presentations and the proceedings so it was difficult to locate a specific person within the collection of 300 and some volumes of Supreme Court opinions. So what we did was we pulled out those separate presentations from the various volumes and pulled them together into a special collection of their own that you see here. Currently there are 87 biographies in this collection and throughout the years the Supreme Court Library has issued a couple of histories either of the Library of the Supreme Court and those are included in this also. And we will be adding to this collection the last volume of the Supreme Court reports that came out actually contain three portrait presentations. So we added those, of course added the volume to the court reports and then added the presentations to the biographies. Now many of the titles of interest are as I said hybrid digital series. So one example is let's look at the North Carolina Vital Statistics. We have all the reports from the first one which is 1914 through the most recent report. Well after 2007 Vital Statistics reports have only been published online as PDFs and there have not been a print copy. Well the GHL had all the issues back to 1914 in our collection. So the older issues we have were scanned and then added to the born digital issues that we already had in the digital collection. So we have in the digital collection all volumes of the North Carolina Statistics from the beginning. There are other state government serials that we have done the same thing to North Carolina Agricultural Statistics, the North Carolina Manual, the House and Senate journals, session laws and even wildlife in North Carolina. Another title of interest that I want to mention today is the North Carolina Manual. So for many years this was a biannual publication by the Secretary of State's office. The last printed issue was in 2007-2008 issue and for a few years it was published electronically only. Then the publication ceased completely with the 2012 issue. The first state manual was published in 1874 and as we were preparing to digitize the North Carolina manuals there were no issues in our collection between the years 1874 and 1903. So I started calling around other libraries and no one had any issues from those years. The first state manual that we had up in the stacks was published in 1874 and a page just inside the title page of an 1874 manual stated, and that's what it's hard to read but that's the box on the left, stated that on February 10, 1874, the North Carolina General Assembly passed a resolution that and I quote, Secretary of State shall calls to be printed at once and again next winter and biannually thereafter, a manual of North Carolina containing the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of North Carolina with the names of all governors and other executive offices of the state, judges of the Supreme and Superior Courts, members and offices of the Two Houses of the General Assembly, with such chronological and statistical information as he may deem useful. So on the left is that same page from the 1874, well excuse me, on the left is that page that I just quoted from the 1874 North Carolina manual. And on the right is that resolution I just quoted. So that's coming from the digitized North Carolina Session Laws of 1873 to 1874. So they passed the law in 1874 saying there needed to be a manual every other year. But where were those subsequent issues that were required by law? Why such a huge gap? It was sort of a mystery. Well, I went to another digitized state document which is the legislative documents and this one is for the Session 1874 to 75. And within that volume I found the Secretary of State's report to the governor which was dated November 4, 1874. In it, the Secretary reports that he has accomplished the manual of North Carolina required by the early of February resolution. He then adds that, and I quote, I very respectfully suggest that you recommend the repeal of this resolution as its publication by annually would involve the state in a heavy expense. The law was repealed in December of 1874. There were no other manuals until 1903. The 1903 manual was much smaller than the 1874 manual and it was actually called members, committees, rules, etc. But over time the North Carolina manual grew to be more like the publication envisioned in 1874 in the manual of other years. So on the screen is the legislative document, the title page, and then I printed the page from the report from the Secretary of State. And then another digitized document, this is from the session law from repealing the act. It was repealed, ratified the 18th day of December 1874. If you think about it, this was less than 10 years after the end of the Civil War. So the state was really strapped for money and I believe they got the printing bill and decided it wouldn't be the thing to do. Well, this session is about North Carolina state government publications. So I was going to talk about ways to access those publications. So on the opening page of the digital collection we've already looked at, there's a tab at the top that says state agencies. And it goes to a list of all the North Carolina state government agencies. This is the top of the page. So for each agency, there's a brief description of the agency and its responsibilities. And you can link directly to the agency website. It says visit the department's website. You can hit view all publications and that will pull up all digital publications from that particular agency. And there's a search box that will limit your search just to documents from that particular agency. And for example, this is a listing from the Department of Insurance. So under the agency name's a link and it will take you directly to the Department of Insurance's website. And then below is a search box where you can put in your terms and even limit it by field if you wish. Or you can click on view all publications and see all digital publications from the Department of Insurance. Now let's look at searching the catalog for both print and digital. This is the GHL's catalog page. And at the top left it says that we've got the NC Cardinal logo. And if you're not aware, NC Cardinal is a consortium of North Carolina public libraries that share an online catalog and an ILS. So our search page, though, defaults to searching just the GHL collection, which includes state agency publications and other materials in the GHL collection. Now this is a record where we have both print and digital of a particular state agency publication. Just below the title you'll see a great outbox that says digital content. And that link will take you to the digital publication. And underneath that you'll see the holdings. The GHL has two print copies, a non-circulating copy and a copy for circulation. Well, if you were to click on the digital content link, it takes you to the digital copy. It's a PDF that can be searched, viewed, printed, or downloaded. If you want to limit to just digital state agency publications, you can use the same search page we've seen before. And I can search Access North Carolina, which was a title here, and get these results. So it's two different ways to access the same material. And whatever you type in on that previous page is going to search both the title field, subject field, creator, and publisher field. Now what I want to stress today is that you can have a say into what goes into our digital collection. If there is no URL in the digital content box, it will say request online version. And if you click on request online version, it will pop you over to a form. And this is a form to make a digitization request. So you fill out the form with your email address and information about the publication you would like to have digitized. Now the form unfortunately is not working correctly at the moment. We're trying to troubleshoot it. But I would suggest be sure to put the title in that notes field so we can definitely determine what title you're looking for. And you can, because it's not always picking up the title and author below. After you submit this request, someone will go pull the item from our print collection. And we'll be checking to see if there are any copyright issues that we need to sort out. We'll also be looking to see if the document should be digitized in-house, or if it can be included in a shipment for digitization by a vendor. Generally the smaller or more fragile pieces are done in-house. And also at the GHL, we're always on the lookout for state agency publications to digitize and add to the digital collection. And here's an illustration of a recent one. A new publication this year was the Statistical Report from the Council of Women, the Status of Women in North Carolina Employment and Earnings. So the 2018 came out recently. It's strictly published digitally as was the 2013. So going to our catalog and then to the stacks, we found that there had been similar reports from both 1994 and 1975. So we digitized those. So all four of the Status of Women reports are now in the digital collection. And if you have a number of reports, I will tell you about, I believe it was last year, one of the librarians at UNCW had gone through our catalog and made a selection of a number of publications that she saw, print publications our catalog that she would like digitize. So she made a spreadsheet and sent me the spreadsheet, and we pulled those. And we are presently in the process of completing that project. And I would estimate it's well over 100 publications in our print collection that now will be digitized and available in the digital collection. So we can guess at what we would like digitized, but I would love it to have some suggestions from you as to what you would find useful. And in closing, I wanted to alert you if you're currently using our digital collection, we have had to change the way we handle our serials. At the top, you see a multi-item like a compound object. We call it parent child for the Department of Agricultural, Serial Agricultural Review. Well, this is the way we've always displayed state government serials in the past. We would have one object and then all the issues would be attached to it. But sometime back for the larger serials, we began to encounter problems. It wasn't scaling well. So we've had to change the way we treat serials. The items below are now the most recent subsequent issues of agricultural review. So each of them will appear individually. And eventually, we would like to separate the compound objects, but that's for further down the road. But if you just wanted to alert, you're going to see our serials sort of appearing in two different ways. And that concludes my presentation. I want to encourage you, please, to make suggestions for digitization from items in our state documents collection. But if you've got any other questions about what I covered today, I welcome those. And I'm going to move on. I'll put my contact information up. Thank you very much, Denise. And so while we're, I'm going to wait, give people some time if you have questions. Feel free to type those in. A question I had was in terms of, I tend to be an instruction person. I was just going to see if, are you all creating any kind of instructional materials around the state publications? Or have talked about maybe doing that. We have some limb guides around some of the state publications. And we used to create research guides, and we're slowly moving those to research guides. So I know we have one on the North Carolina court reports. We have a lib guide on that. We have something on transportation, Department of Transportation materials. I think that's still a research guide. But yes, not on everything, but we do have some. And I can send you those. Well, I'll have to go offline to locate them, because I think they're in two different places. But I can send those if you want to distribute those later. Sure. Yeah, that'd be great. I think that's the interesting thing for a lot of people is figuring out how to incorporate them beyond reference questions. Right. Because the status of women, there's some cool stuff in there, too. Yes, there is. Mimi asked me a question. I went to me privately, so I'll ask it out. Do y'all include census materials about North Carolina? Well, not the federal stuff, because this is the state government. But within some of the Department of Commerce and some of the agricultural items, there might be some census materials. But the federal census publications are not going to be in this collection. But with the vital stats, y'all have, like, oh, yes, with the vital stats. And so a number of state agencies, Department of Labor, makes use of a number of federal statistics. And so if they publish it in something that they're publishing, so it's coming out of that state agency, it is certainly included in the digital collection. It's just the straight things coming straight from the federal would not be in them. Thank you very much for doing this. It's very helpful. And I didn't realize some of the things were in there. Definitely. All right, well, there's no more questions. Thank you very much. Join me in thanking Denise for the presentation and for talking about some of those materials.


We're alive, we're moving, and also we're alive. We're alive. I gotta change my shirt, because I don't want to get no rain. No Christianam, Debbie, Paul Wall, CJ. What's up, fam? It's true.  I'm quite alive and doing better. Thank you all for all of your concerned messages. All the love yesterday. I think all of everything just caught up with me. And my body was like, you know what? I'm feeling better. For sure. I'm so glad that I took that nap, because I already feel better. What now? Debbie, I did get your package. Debbie sent me a whole bunch of shells that I'm going to add to this. I don't know if you guys remember it. I did a 24x48 ocean pour when I first got the, what kind of, what was it? That pour epoxy. Distinctive concrete concepts. Anyways, I'm going to do a top coat to that and use all of the shells that I've gotten from y'all lately. He already got him one. He took it in there and sat it down.   He never eats them. He got it. He chews on it and that's it. Also y'all. We got a small banana. Just a tiny one. And it didn't have a note from like who it's from. But we blew it up and now it's a decoration in our studio. All these guys have different, I thought they were all the same for some reason. What are you talking about?  Oh. They're different. I didn't know that. Sue Langston said, yo, Jeff. Yo. Poor Harley, what's up? The new place is Bananas. Banana. We love it. We're just setting up to do. They said, you know, you love them, Jeff. Jay Mastas said, Jeff did great last night. I watched him this morning. That was weird. Being solo. Your package is going out on Monday. I believe I sent you an email. Kelly says, Jeff, you sound jealous. I should bring you a present. Do you want a present? No. How's the lip painting going? It turned out well. You end it up a little bit. Sparkle. We could do all that. It did, like, get crazy in a couple of spots, like right there. But nothing a little airbrushed can fix. AKA Jeffery. Thanks, y'all. What's up, white team? Y T. Y T. J. Della. Like, white team? No, not white team. Thanks, Clara. I hope you feel better. Hi, Tracey Henry. So, Susan, Jeff's going to be trouble today. Trouble? I'm here right. Diane. As I start a fire over here. That would be great. I'm feeling a little bit better. I'm still very tired. You know, when you just overwork yourself a little bit, you kind of get flu-like symptoms, like your body just says, it's cute that you want to keep going. However, we have other plans. Go check this out. Wham! Wham! So that's what happened. Diane, I need to send you an email because I got, I have everything ready to ship to you. Good, good. Good, good. But I think one paint. I did get some rest. I'm super pumped. What up? That's my mom's maiden name. The mic is on. Can you guys hear us okay? Yes, so your sticks did go out. I will send you your confirmation number. Mary Jane, I'm so glad you like that powder. It's one of my favorites for sure. Can I pour over a paper box? It is the Flavor Coasters. I would say yes. I have a box like that. It's a little square. I think I got it from Michael Sir Hobby Lobby. And I keep meaning to pour on it, but I have forgotten. Patty, I did not get bitten by a tick. I just moved to studios and I've been trying to catch up on past orders and negotiating new deals with some companies. Moving and shaking. Been on the hustle and that drains people apparently. Apparently you need sleep in this business. Ron, your orange piece did go out. So let's show them what's in the box. What's in the box? That would have been a good one. No, we could start a new thing on Wednesdays. Wednesdays, what's in the box? And we can have a box and we won't open it until you guys see it. What's in the box Wednesday? How fun does that sound? What's in the box? I watched a replay from last night and I knew the answer instantly and I was still mad. I missed the live feed. Aloha, Mr. Han. You still have the pre-k label that was included with the mic? Yes, I did. Amy, it was not teal powder from Artis too because that is on a back order and I don't have it yet. Terry Walker. I got that Terry. Terry, your order will be going on on Monday. It would go out tomorrow but the post office is not open tomorrow. Chimera. So they all want to know what is in the box. It's not a dead body. No. It's not a box.  No, Amy, I would have told you if I will let you guys know first before anybody else when I get the teal and turquoise in from Artis too. I should be getting a box from them early this coming week. I will send you an invoice, Diane. Shit. All right, so this company, Patty should we tell them? Should we say, hey, we're on. They were on last night. They came in last night. I've always been in. Tragile. It must be French. I'm sorry, Patty. Yeah, Casey. Why do they write right on the label? Like they wrote our... Anyway, these came from Patty's Pigments and they do a lot of, like, silk. Dining. I think it's the French. Have you all ever dyed silk? Painted on silk? Laura Taylor said, which two movies did they mention? $10 from Lars. Thanks, Lars. Thank you so much, Lars. I hope... New rock. I hope you are feeling well. Laura Taylor said, hey, Jeff, which two movies did they mention going to the mattresses? I know one. What? Laura Taylor quizzed you, which two movies do they mention going to the mattresses? Going to the mattresses. All right. Is that a quote or is that just a... Yeah, it's a quote. Going to the mattresses. I thought they, like, even explained it right now. Coming to America? I have no idea. I honestly do not know. Somebody says, I know. Oh, Godfather wanted to. I know one was a Godfather. Hi, JD. I do. New. Jerry Seinfeld. What's the deal with great nuts? They aren't great when they aren't nuts.  I don't have time. A Godfather and you've got... You've got mail as the one where she, like, explains going to the mattresses. She explains it to her. Anyways, they come in these packages that have, like, the... the dang thing. The dang thing. The buckle. You're so wrong. You're so wrong, girl. Anyways, they feel awesome and I can't wait to have a routine of wears, scarves, slashes... Did you show them? I did.  Come on. Bleshing. Excuse me. Thank you. All right, Jerry. Sorry. We got some green. This is powder. All this powder. Oh, we got a whole set. Whole set up. CJ, your sticks did go out as well. Thanks, number. Eve, I do not have lures given to them on my website. I will not be carrying lures. Get them from Laura Usher. She's going to be the stoplist for those colors. And they're still great colors, but just didn't tan out. So... she's your person. We got some silver. Oh, that's sparkle white. So basically silver. That's what it looks like. Jerry said you've got mail. That's one flick I never saw by choice. It was a cute movie as far as, like, rom-coms go. Thank you so much. Patty gave us $10. Thanks, Patty. Hi, Anna. And that is not Patty from this... Patty's Pigments, I don't think. It's not paid advertisement. You guys inspire me to go back to my heart.  Awesome, thank you. This is some... I can link them. I was sure that there was a link on here. Ooh, that's a nice looking color. Tangerine. Did you spell it Patty? P-A-D-D-Y? Not P-A-T-T-Y. Uh-oh. Bornhug Executive wants to offer me... Let me see. ...as a featured performer. Yes! Yes! I'm busy though. I would feel better, Jessica. Barbara L. For... Ocean foam. Use a white pigment paste. You can use... Articy, who has a really good one, obviously. Because I use them. You can also get it from Color Obsession. Just Resin has one. LeRez has one. Um... You can also use System 3. Babe, we're supposed to be... ...doing this product... ...basement. Is she just a blabbin' out there? I don't know. The silicone wraps. We had to get new ones because... ...these still work, but y'all, they're raggedy. And I have them linked in the description box below the video. Just click on the Amazon link and they're listed there. Cake Snakes. Oh! That was a loud one. Is he ready for his... ...second feast? Christina, I did get your email Your package is fine now. Fine silver, that's very fine. Looks like... I'm trying not to cut my fingers off with this knife. It's pretty sharp. That little dog... ...like, has her on a short leash. It's pretty cute. He makes these little growl sounds whenever he wants her to do something. He's like, I don't care what you're doing.  Live what? What? Fine silver. Very fine, very fine. Ooh, this looks like purple. Looks like some purple. Purple-nurple. Okay. Oh, they're not under Patty's pigments. They're under Kujo.  Pretty cute. I know, I hope we don't lose them. Okay. They are resinartshop.com. They are resinartshop.com. They are resinartshop.com. And I will put that in the... ...the invoice. No big deal. It's resinartshop.com. Knowing me, the rest... Color obsession should be coming in... ...soon. I don't know what the holdup is. I'll find out. Kelly crossed. Looks nice looking purple. I sure can, Kelly. I love this tangerine color. I thought I opened it. I guess I didn't. Are they Micos? They're... Micron. 10-60 Micron. This tangerine is nice. That's good. They have a good orange. For one, I'm not a fan of orange. But when I need it, I like to have it. So it says, all of Patty's pigments easily combine with any... It says vicious medium, it's supposed to say... Viscous. No, it's probably viscous. And I just can't read. Mediums such as resin paint, varnish, glue, or paste to create an incredible hue. Pigments can also be applied to a dry, tacky surface then sealed. The particle sizes of this pigment easily allows silk screening, brushing, spraying applications to be accomplished. Don't breathe it. Check. No lines of paint. Patty said, hey, the porno could be fun for you guys to buy paint. JK, don't do it. I know, aren't those jars cute? Black. Nancy, you have no idea how in charge Kujo is. Khaleesi, I don't know about the camera. We haven't tried the camera yet because we were having actually the same so I haven't tried it yet. We haven't unpacked it. But it came back. Green and black. Laura Taylor for just still a performance in that last night and bathes for any foot-last durations from Moon Droppings. Laura Taylor. Laura just gave us 100 beans. You make my heart beat. They're too sweet. I'm going to need it for this AC bill. 11.99. I'm so freaked out. I never ever have to turn on our AC in our old place. You never had to. What is up with the trolls tonight? What colors are we using? I don't know. Let's do them all. No, not on a 12x12 or 10x10 whatever it is. Let's just do something fun and different. You know we're going to pick the same colors we always do. Crystal Sapphire looks good. Pick something that goes with this. The colors are on it tonight. Let's go with this silver. Saturday Night Special. Sparkle White. Sparkle White. Maybe some black. What yellows? These are the same. They're going to be different. It's a different color all together. The colors we're using are Crystal Sapphire Black Pearl Is Casey in the house? And Sparkle White. I haven't seen Casey yet. Your merchandise page looks great. I got to order me a take-top and a coffee mug. I can't wait to see what the it's a really good photo. It's a scan that we used to make these shirts. The piece I did I had scanned. What are you talking about the trooper? The sexy trooper. I did that all in charcoal. It was on a 24x48. I had it scanned. It should be cool. It should be awesome blowing up on a towel size. That's going to be awesome. I can't wait. There's Casey right there. This person Casey here is the person that sent us these pigments to try out. You guys have specific questions? Pacific. We got gloves too. Where did we get these from? The trolls are like an epidemic all time high. The same person that sends us the heat guns that we use also sent us some gloves. Rights made them. Everybody is saying put some tangerine in it. I love that tangerine. Let's do tangerine first and then pour the black and the white and the blue over it. I know it will be weird. Is Keisha in here? I know she's going to talk some kind of smack about having blue and orange together. Rivalry. We'll do tangerine too. We normally don't like to do more than two or three colors on a small canvas. But since we're experimenting and y'all are along with us for the ride Two points. Yes, we're going to do tangerine crystal sapphire black pearl and sparkle white. Denise said I'll let you know when the safety trooper arrives. Yes, I can't wait. Did they send you two scarves? They did. Can you mix pigments since they are primary? Now that we got the macro lens and close up lens we can take pictures of our stuff and have them make us some scarves. I'm sure that we can mix the pigments. I can try that and see and let you know. Are you going to put some gloves on? He said war eagle. I can't even believe I repeated it out loud. You repeated it. You're cute, baby. You're cute. I got to say roll tide three times and stand on my head or something to undo it. These are all powders. There's a spider on the wall behind me. Is it really? I'm not looking. That was a good one though. I know. I see you. Thank you. You know that I can see what's behind me on this. Anyway, you're probably already done. Casey, I did like the scarf and sarong and I'm really looking forward to wearing them. Does it look dark? Hi, Jenna. Thank you, Anita. Are you going to say the winner of the Fourth of July Challenge? I forgot about it and all of the craziness that's been going on. I will post it in the ATD group and tell you guys about it tomorrow. Tomorrow we're going live early. We're going to do Just Resin and we're going live because the Just Resin couple requested that we go live at noon Melbourne time. So that's 11 a.m. Lifetime. So we're going to be going live at 11 a.m. Central. We're going to use Just Resin for this so we can have a little bit of work on time. What did I say? Just Resin. Do you guys lack like raccoons? Is that a joke? Yes, it looks dark. I'll give you a roll tide before I tie your... Yes! Lars is on teen roll tide. There's a lot of color for that. I don't look at it like that. I just look at it as two and two. We're having four colors and we have... I want to make some magnets. Why is my leg falling asleep? Jay Mastos says how fun now I'm taking tomorrow off to watch you guys. Awesome. Noon in Melbourne is in half an hour. I think that's Australia right there. I Googled it. Maybe my Googler was wrong. I'll double check. That's a lie. I'm sorry, Amy. It's 9.30. Oh, yeah. Tomorrow. But in Melbourne. What is up with the drills? I don't see Melbourne. Sydney is 15 hours. Oh, it's 11.40 a.m. at the moment. So... So we're going to go lie at... It's tomorrow there already. Yeah, Melbourne is 11.38 a.m. Sorry. We don't math right. I'm right. We're going live at 9 p.m. tomorrow. Does that make it... Chris said there is never this many drills. This is like top of the troll count forever. What are they doing?  Here right now it's 8.40 p.m. And they are in... Sydney, it's 11.40 a.m. But they're in Melbourne. 11.40 a.m. Right? When does it have bananas? I have a purse because we're just going to purse. I know cryptic is bananas. No, Tiffany. I extended the ultra-cast, master-cast order until... I'm going to put that in on Monday's weekend. Definitely emailing. Middle school is out for summer. Equals trolls is a good point, Ellen. So your 9 p.m. tomorrow will be noon Melbourne Monday. So tomorrow at 9 p.m. is when we're going to go live. Are they in the room right now? No. But they are Melbourne people.  Rob, we were talking about time zones and troll population. No correlation. The pattings page is believe that's it. Once you hit 13,000 the trolls come out. I believe it. How do they know? How much is a gallon? I posted it in the the ATD poor people group. Do any of y'all remember? I forgot. Can you guys post it if you remember? Aren't these little mason jars just the cutest little things? They even have a spoon stuck to it. Y'all know they'll lose their spoon. It has a little thing on it so you stick to it. It's not going to use it. Right organic. How are you doing, Dawn? It was so great to talk to you the other day. So great. All right. Christina, congratulations. Dan wants to know the next bright 2P. What's the next challenge? What month is it? It's July. Casey, are these pretty intense? What is that concentrated? You need to put just a teeny bit or you put a lot. Or should I just do a little bit in between? Y'all should follow Christina while she is an amazing artist. Speaking of Christina, Judy, I went and saw her today and she sent me back with this Vallejo pouring medium that's supposed to like guarantee cells and like a beautiful pour. Make yourself a useful lady. They apparently don't know that I exist and that I can only create mud, puddles of mud. So I'm going to put it to the test. I'm going to see if I can create something beautiful as an acrylic pour with this new pouring medium. If you watch Ann Marie Ritterhoff, see what Casey said at some time. You were just talking so a lot there. I do that. We need to pay attention to the... He hasn't commented back yet. I'm just going to put enough and then we can always add more. Remember, you can't take away. You can always add more. I am feeling better. We're challenged. Christina can pour acrylic like no other. She's bananas and I am going to do... I'm going to do a pour and it's going to be scary. How much did you put in there? Just a tip. That's what she said. That's probably just this much, right? Like you get a little spoonful. Help some medicine go down. Let's try that. You guys are going to work with powders. You're supposed to either put a little bit of alcohol in them and mix it around to make it not like puff up when you start mixing your resin into it but I just put it in before the resin and the resin should... We're just going to put a spoonful. How do you... Thank you. I do feel better. Lucy, I can send you an invoice. Lucy, I need to know what kind of resin you want of the two kinds. Hi, Nabeah.  You can block cowbell all day every day because that is not fun. What? I don't know what they said. It was already deleted by Clara but that's the Mississippi State University thing. Tiffany, don't even play because I will have all the questions. Hi, Jan. Jeff, relax here because we didn't find it. I'd like to hear what she says. I want you to do speed. I'll see how you are. I know, aren't these jars super adorable? See, it doesn't stick back on too well. That's a nice-looking black. It's going to fall off. Do you want to mix something up? Do something. Talk all the time. Thank you, Lauren. Andrew said I'm holding up to my ear to hear you. I can't see you while driving so don't do anything cool for 10 minutes. Okay? Okay, cool. That's a great-looking black. You would say in case anyone is interested I tried the gold tester enamel model paint. It worked so beautifully. I'm going to have to get some of that and try it out. Y'all, this is a beautiful blue. Once we get our lighting in here, Lars, wouldn't you feel better? No rush. You'll be able to see how amazing this is. Thank you, Terry. Let me know, angels in spirit. Tiffany uses Vallejo and it's amazing. Rod, the Vallejo for the little model things is different than the Vallejo that we have. Model. Gelida? Gelida. This is feeling really thick. I think we may have put too much pigment in it. It was ultra. Back to Lucy. I love to see you both together working side by side. We tried. It's been beyond in a while. And it's shy. Isn't she going to college or something? Oh, she was in Japan last time. She popped in. But Andrea Moran talks to her sometimes. Oh, beyond is still in Japan. Lars said I'll get it down to storage next week. Don't hurt yourself. I know you just had all that work done on your bionic foot. So, no stress. Just wanted to throw it out there. I think we should try to do that. Use the camera tomorrow. Try to use the camera tomorrow? That would be cool. Let's see why it wouldn't work. Maybe it will work. We're going to try the camera tomorrow. I'll move the laptop over here so that we can just the golden vision. The product is and their United States base company, I believe. They come in these handy dandy little jars. They're like mason jars. These are all powders. I don't know that they do paste in like anything liquid skimmed over their website and they do a lot of beautiful colors.  So, it's very well packaged and they do a lot of silk dying and staining. I'm pretty sure I said that wrong. I think it's sublimation. I'm not sure. I don't know how that. There's Casey. Try a fair amount. You can go very transparent if you need. You can always add more. Got you. Daphne's paint studio. Of course you can share your non paint pour paintings. We like to see everybody's all the artwork. I mean, as you guys know from our channel we're not pour specific. I'm going to do the orange first. At least there are black ones. I had no idea. I actually need a new one because these still work and the resin pops off of them so easily. Look, it just comes off. But, um, these are getting raggedy because we peel resin off of them every day. So, we have to wear a new one. Turns out it's color, y'all. Let me zoom in. Camera, but I haven't heard back yet. I don't know if I didn't know. We're not getting paid to review these. We are reviewing them because Casey's nice enough to send them to us and he asked if we would like to try them out. He said okay. I don't sell them. You have to get them from their website. They're pretty sparkly. Yeah, they're very sparkly. Look at that. It's like separated. Maybe I was on last night of course when I'm not on. What's that heat gun you're using? Ron, this heat gun is amazing. It's HG6618. It's by Amtech, I believe it's called. You can go cold or hot. In the middle, medium, light, heavy. All those things. But, you can check them out in the you need to turn it in the description box below. In my Amazon link down there I have the heat gun listed. Erica, have you ever thought of running your tablet through a TV and have under yourself so questions are larger than you're looking towards yourself? That's not a bad idea but the TV is not anywhere like that. That looks crazy. What is it doing? Well, it's because of the black. And I didn't put a lot in here. I didn't put a lot of that black in there. And Andrew, yes. Patty's website is resinartshotot.com The link in the description box below in the end column. Use it as a way to put it in anywhere near my face. It is hard to find a good orange. They are okay but you can use the less pigment and make them rosy blaster alcohol gives great cell activity. And either of those because it is our experience that both tend to cause a lot of pitting. It's completely possible that I'm just not using them right but you switched into commercial mode with your voice. I am so guilty of that. I will like I have a phone voice too. Right, Janine? Isn't that you kind of amazing? Thanks Lauren. It was a strong black for sure. The golden vision set, I'm a perfectionist which I feel is a bad thing. I was wondering are you in a photo to get in the way of it? So let go a little bit which is comes to doing this kind of work. You need to put something under this because it's going to tilt all the way off. I don't understand why. Look at that, like why? Doing poor art is a great exercise in restraint and getting used to not being such perfectionist.  Like you won't believe with his airbrush artwork and it took him a while to understand that you kind of have to surrender to the medium when it comes to poor art. Like right? Did I say that right? I think a long time ago Jeff said the thing about resin is what was your analogy? Oh, resin is that little step child that you see in Walmart that is just doing what he wants because you can't do anything about it. Right? Is that what I said? Yeah. You said that resin acts as though a child would if you told them they couldn't have candy and they pitched a fit. Like it's going to do what it wants to do. You can't control two-year-old especially when it wants candy. So you kind of just have to go with it and don't beat it in public. I'm sure I had a better way to explain it but basically yes Jeff is a perfectionist and working with acrylic pours or resin pours That's fun. Really helps you to tame your perfectionistic way if that's what you're trying to do. Tony, I think there are more fractals. It did look like Tiger Stripes. I meant do perfectionism hold you back. It can. Mary said have you ever heard of any art co-op that you have to pay to show then they want 15-40% depending on the price of your art. What's that one? Raw? Yeah, raw. Raw is kind of like that. That's a rip-off for artists that is. I mean that's what I feel. You have to sell tickets to your show to get 20-20 dollar tickets to be in the show. Who knows. And if you don't sell that number of tickets they sign to you you have to buy it. Those tickets. Mary, I wouldn't do that show unless it's like guaranteed money in it. This is fun. It's very casual. Like from what I see you do have to put a little bit more than what I should have. And like I said I only put a little spoonful I would probably put like one and a half to two maybe. Not like a mound of it but just like you know this blue is really nice. This white is really nice. Real classy like the black. That's how you can tell because the black isn't like super black and it's not taking over. A t-shirt idea surrendered to the poor. It's pulling away from the edges because he's heating it up so much and heating resin thins it out and when it does that it pulls away from any edge. If this was a hard edge like cut straight it would be bubbling up to the edge rather than just rolling over or rolling backwards. That's fun. Clara said sometimes a two year old is a good one and earns a 20. I got a pretty keen for my analogy. A K-Bag child of art. Kelly we are using art resin. Well fed Andrea. Art galleries usually ask 40 to 50 percent. Most of the ones that we show in ask 20 percent. Like serious art like big major art galleries that actually make you know pamphlets and do all the advertising and all that. If we were going to be in what's that one in Miami? Oh god art basil. Art basil. That would be awesome. Pieces in there are like 50,000 I mean I guess. That's fun. I like it. It sells up. Christina Wells says I have trouble selling at most under $100 I need to find other outlet. The tangerine is definitely good. This blue is nice. I like them all. I'd like to see this on a bigger bigger scale. I'd like to do a negative pour with this. This is doing really interesting. It does what metallic is supposed to do it gives it that texture like it looks like little bitty craters like the texture of the moon. Hold on let's get the light out. You can do a video on pricing and how to sell your it's just like little bubbles. That's fun. That blue is nice. What is that? Sparkle silver? Sparkle white? That is fun. I love how this orange is breaking apart and selling and showing that deep color under it. We are way behind. That's so weird. The tangerine is a nice color too. It's nice. Look at that texture. Yeah. Good job Patties. Good job. Alright. I really don't, do I? Diane, I always throw those red inserts away. What is the name of this art piece? That would be Chris. Party for the party. Blood of a rival. Dead Tiger. I don't know. I don't have a name for it. Christina, we'll do a video on pricing art and where to sell it and ways for artists to make money to support their addiction. Ocean says art gallery is in a way 52%. Ouch. Yeah Eva, I really do think that acrylic pouring is more difficult. Michelle, he says I really like this one. It's a nice casual piece man. Hi Stephanie, thank you. It would go good like next to something really dark maybe like something, I don't know. Golden Vision says as I am English, I think an art piece devoted to England in the World Cup would be nice. Oh yeah Croatia. Croatia won their shootout today. Their penalties. Russia was devastated. Here's the thing about Etsy it is so flooded with things. It's almost impossible to find anything unless you pay to be one of their top stores or whatever. We have an Etsy. I uploaded one set of posters forever ago. Forgot all about it. If you're interested in it 100 bucks. Congrats Diane. Golden Vision said if you don't then you shall feel the force of the dark side. I do 30 cents of square inches. Sell myself short already. Christina I guess we should try to figure that out. How much we charge for experience? That was a 12 by 12? Was it? I think it was a 10 by 10. No way. Maybe it was a 12 by 12. Thank you Christine. Will it change color much as it dries? Anita I've never used this powder before but seeing as how the powder in the resin is fairly true to the powder in here with a slight I mean it's slightly darker just because that happens when you wet a powder it gets a little bit darker but because it's pretty close to this color I'd imagine that the color won't really change that much if at all. Loving the tangerine, what color are you using? We used not this. We used tangerine. We used black pearl which was really nice. Very subtle. That sparkle white is really nice. It almost resembles a little bit of a silver but it's super nice. We have that from Artis too as well. Yeah and then the crystal sapphire was the blue. Real nice blue. The pricing also depends on the market the trends and where you live or where you sell. Super true. Also what day of the month it is because there aren't many people buying close to the end of the month and close to the beginning of the month because of bills etc. Tiger's Eye That's not in regards to your suggestion it's that it's already orange and blue which is my football team's rival colors. Coincidentally they are the Tigers. What is the website for this pigment? This is Paddy's Pigments and their website is resinartshop.com We'll do one on pricing for sure. We'd love to see a lot about making money on your art. Carly J that waxy oily look we've only had it a couple times and that's because we used these little Dixie cups that were wax lined and we let the resin sit in there too long and it absorbed the wax from the lining of the cup which transferred to the surface of the piece. I would love a video explaining how and where to sell our light line. I'm going light on wine tonight because I was so drained yesterday I'm taking a few commission pieces and I'm finding them hard because I don't like the colors people pick. Help. Sue? The thing about commissioned poor pieces is that oftentimes the buyer doesn't understand what goes into making these pieces and the level of control you do and don't have with poor art so oftentimes they'll see something they like in one of your pieces and be like, make this and they're not going to understand that you can't replicate our work. That's why you have to make sure that you put in writing something that says I will not I cannot, I will not do something and it's not guaranteed to look good if we use your colors because some colors just do not mix well. That's why they're complementary. They look good next to each other. Not mixed. Also we almost always when we do a commissioned poor piece do a small test so they can see some people don't have the visual mind nope. They don't have the ability to visualize what you do as an artist so if you make them a test piece and say see then you can move them away from things that you already know as the artist won't look good together. So almost always do a test piece. Greg, Monday's fine. I pulled dance to try to get money for supplies but people don't seem to tip us short chubby bald guys. I would give you a dollar. I do Etsy as my full-time job. You can be successful but you have to be unique it's so flooded. I envy you, Khaleesi. I have no idea how you do it. I would need help for sure on my Etsy. I just said first time watching I'm from Liverpool and been impressed the whole presentation of this show. Thank you Golden Vision. We love you here. Thank you very much. Eric has even been using the Micah flakes from Torganal on anything. I haven't used the Torganal flakes on anything since my Geo two Geos ago. But I have I have more plans for those. Hi Shelby can you send me your shipping address? I have a box for you. That's less than a dollar per inch for Jeff. For Jeff's 12 by 12. Clara said when it makes her resin on a new color I'm going to dab on the jar for sure. Some color shifts and others don't. Fair point. Is it too hot in here? Eva I am working out a deal with my Canadian distribution but I can also just ship direct to you so if you buy enough colors I can put it in if it fits in ships box and just email me what you're looking for in the meantime and I can send you what the shipping would be and the Gators exactly are. Where do you find paper cups with that wax lining? You can get them on Amazon. Where do you find paper cups for mixing colors into resin? You can get Dixie cups that aren't wax lined. You can go to Dollar Store. Angels and Spears said I was watching this feed and it was blurry. I just click HD and it's amazingly clear now. Hi Brenda Robin said I get my dollar store they're called Bathroom Cups. What's Etsy? Etsy is an American online shop. Somebody asked what a Cousy was the other day. You can always send me an email. I'm doing really well at catching up on those right now. Why is this so cool? I had to pour some out to give to that lady. We show them these pieces that we're going to resin for that girl. What are the gold flakes called for you to get them? Which gold flakes? Say again? Duty and Tax. This one? I put the price of the item lower. I'm sure that's probably not good. You can send me an email. She could sell this. She could make a print of this and sell this. Look for hot liquid cups. I didn't see you like the scarf. I didn't see you like the scarf and sarong. We do them for artists everywhere. I do like them. I'm waiting for temperatures to be under a million so that I can wear them. I hate waxing my cups always in this. Does Moe have a fur coat? He will always be hot like my three labs. Linda Pete, I thought it automatically sent out to me, but I will send that a Cousy. Night, Golden. Bye. Khaleesi, the thing about the silicone cups that we found, we tried to use one one time and the thing about it is they, I don't know if you can see that. Like when you go to pick them up, they're kind of flimsy so they pinch in and we're really nervous that it'll pfft. And that's a verb and adjective. Like if you use silicone pour cups and you go to pick it up because it's so flimsy. Oh yeah, they're very flimsy. Tough crowd, Eve. I know. Zach, you said, Jeff, what is it called? It's something that you put your soda or your beer in. We have one over there. What are you doing for the July Challenge? I am going to be honest with you guys because I always am. I forgot because everything else in my life right now, but I will have the results for you guys. This is a Cousy.  A stubby holder. Is it called a stubby in some countries? I don't know. It keeps it cool. We're going to make some of these. I'm not boring tonight. I'm going to bed.  This little girl contacted us. She is survivor of leukemia and she contacted us to resin over some of her acrylic pours. She's like 12. She makes them and sells them to help she's in remission. That's the right word. She sells her paintings to help other people with leukemia. I'm going to have her as a guest artist on our show next week. When I know the exact day, I'll let you guys know. Super inspirational. She went to Washington and met everybody in the White House last week or something like that. She's amazing. Anyways, I'm going to be letting you guys know what she's going to be on. I'm going to teach her how to use resin and I'm going to resin over her pieces for her. Where do we park for your class on the 15th? It's the 14th and 15th. Don't miss the 14th because that's when all the magic happens. There's a guest lot and there's also meters on the streets. I call them heavies. Same thing. They just have to park in them. There's citizen emails. Perfect. Get some rest. I will. Night Lars. Night. I can't remember. It starts with an S. Swanson. Sammy. Swansy. Slappy. Samsonite. I can't believe I forgot her name. I will post it in the ATD4 group. She's like 12. We did pick but I don't have it with me and I will post it tomorrow. Can I come pour with you guys? Christina, you can come pour me anytime. You let me know and you'll be here. We'll pour. Casey said thank you guys so much for your review. Joyce will send you the information on 10% discount code for all of your subscribers. Magic Mountain. Look at that. Thank you Magic Mountain. I don't know your real name Magic. I really appreciate that. We like them. We like them. I can't wait to use this. I get the discount code for the patty's pigments. I will post it in the videos so that you guys can check out their stuff. It'll be fun. And next what we're doing tomorrow we're going to do just resin at 9pm. 9pm tomorrow. Central standard time.  Night Mark Margo. I saw a cool demo on resin. He sprayed gold paint on top and took a scrape. It looked like big plates of gold. Was that stone coat? We did that. I thought it would melt in with it and the resin just heats it up and dries it. It was funny. Magic Mountain, I really appreciate your donation. Thank you so much. You can always send me an email with your specific questions. I'm here to help. Nancy we're not doing any more pours. I've got to go to bed. I'm not 100% from yesterday and I think one more night at regular sleep will do everybody good. I will be pouring tomorrow though because we're using just resin and I'm super pumped to try them out. If all goes well we'll be carrying their line of paints They're so beautiful, you guys. I don't even know how we're going to narrow it down. Night, Terry Walker. I will be. This little guy is under me. Wanting to go outside because he knows that it's time. Night, Casey. I'm going to post the top 20 of the Peacorn Challenge because there are so many amazing ones as there always is. It's our pleasure, Sue. Yeah, Megan. Hopefully the deal will go in and we'll be carrying We're in negotiations with them right now. So we're going to try their stuff out and hopefully it will be as bananas as I think it is. Anyways, I got to take this little guy out before he decides to quality it in the house. And then me and him are going to have a problem. Anyways, y'all I just purchased a product from Artisan and would like to know any more office supplies. I'm going to sleep after I take me out and I will be emailing those people asking questions tonight before I go to bed but we'll see you guys all tomorrow for the Just Resin 4. I'm excited about Just Resin. Diane, tell Paul I said bye and also everybody will have all that stuff on our wall. I'm excited about Just Resin. Diane, tell Paul I said bye and everybody will have all that stuff on our wall back tomorrow. Anyways, check out our website click the link below for the products that we use regularly in the Amazon affiliate page and also something else. Check out Two Spring if you want to see merchandise. Join us on Facebook and the ATV 4 People group and so bye. I said bye.


I said that it was globes everywhere. There's propaganda, but it's the truth. And you know, any people who don't believe in Flat Earth, they believe that we're in a solar system, they reach out to me. They're like, Candice, you know what? You're right. I have been looking in stores and there are globes everywhere. Like there are globe toys and there's globes in the decorations. And you said that on your show and people thought you were crazy, but it's true. Why are they pushing the globes? And I said, well, I think it's because a NASA won't spend billions of dollars a month, but they tried to say that I'm crazy because I said that.  Are you seeing globes? I'm like, yeah, I am. You just listened to a rant from Republican lunatic Dr. Candice Taylor, who's responding to criticism she received after she essentially came out as a Flat Earth or on her podcast earlier this year during an interview that she had with someone named Flat Earth Dave. Now, Candice Taylor has become my new favorite little cow. So I would encourage you to watch my other videos of her if you haven't seen them. But for those of you who missed it, this is her breakout rant about her dumbass globe conspiracy theory. Is it or not? I don't know 100 percent, but it's just it doesn't make sense the other way. Now that you say it is. The people that defend the globe don't know anything about the globe because if they knew a tenth of what Matt and I know about the globe, they would be Flat Earthers because it's absolutely ridiculous. I can't unsee this. All the globes everywhere. I turn on TV. There's globes in the background. There's globes on there right here. This would be a globe if I was a normal person. Like everywhere there's globes, you see them all the time. I mean, it's constant. My children are about mama, globe, globe, globe, globe. They're everywhere. And that's what they do to brainwash. And so for me, if it is not a conspiracy, if it is, you know, real, why are you pushing so hard? Everywhere I go, every store, you buy a globe. There's globes everywhere. Every movie, every TV show, news media, why? Now we finally get an answer to that million dollar question. They're pushing globes because NASA and since we spend billions of dollars per month funding NASA, that's why they're doing it, I guess. Now the problem with this theory is that NASA's annual budget isn't even half of what it was during the Apollo program and it only makes up around 0.4% to 1% of our total budget because we've now just decided to outsource our space program to billionaires who build dick rockets. So her explanation doesn't make sense on its face, which is why people are still continuing to make fun of her, myself included, and it's why she's still coping and seething. But after she went viral the first time, a lot of people pounced on her stupidity, including comedian Blair Erskine and Candice Taylor saw the parody that she made about her and she was not happy about this. So here's Blair's parody followed by Candice Taylor's response. I'm not a scientist because that is a made up job, but I know that the earth is flat, okay? Because if the earth was round, why would maps be flat? They can never answer that, okay? And people want to be like, well, if the earth is flat, then what about night and day? I don't know. Let me think about it. Maybe because the earth is double-sided and God flips us over when it's time for us to go to bed and flips us back over when it's time for us to wake up like I do with my husband, like use your brain, use your head for a minute. If the earth was round like a globe, everything will be falling off of it. All the oceans will be dripping down at like ice cream, okay? Unless the earth is a DQ blizzard where nothing falls out. But even then, sometimes things do fall out and they do have to give you your money back. So that doesn't really make sense to me. They're trying so hard to make us think the earth is a globe. I see globes on TV, globes at my children's school. I saw a globe at Hobby Lobby, a place of worship, Hobby Lobby. There is a globe there. I mean, if I were a normal person, there would be a globe behind me, but I have a rotary telephone that's not hooked up to anything. So Bill Gates can't track me. I've never said the earth was flat. I've never said that I was a flat earther. Never, ever, ever have I said that. I did not say that globes were fake. I never said that. What I said was that NASA taken billions of dollars every month of our taxpayer money and funding something that we do not see any progression in. If the earth is a globe, which we've always believed the earth is a globe, and we believe that, why do we see globes on all the TV shows, on all the movies, and all the stores? Why are there globes everywhere? Why? Because it's propaganda. It's propaganda for us to be okay with NASA spending billions of dollars of our taxpayer money to fund whatever they want to fund. That does not mean that I'm crazy. That does not mean that I'm unethical. That does not mean that anything that a radical liberal psychotic girl in Atlanta who did a parody on me said, because she did a parody and she said, oh, we can flip the earth upside down and have day and night. I would never have thought to say something so dumb. That is completely idiotic. She said that. Her. Not me.  She had a red lipstick, but she does not have a full front top lip. And I told her that the red was a nice touch, but you don't have the lips for it. She looks nothing like me. Praise the Lord. And she writes skits for Saturday Night Live. She has a fake Southern accent. She's an Atlantean. She doesn't sound like me from South Georgia. And she's trying to. But it's not me, people. It's her. It's Blair. Her name is Blair. I don't even know her last name. So don't you dare mock her conspiracy theory. Okay. She's not a flat earth or contrary to popular belief. She just thinks that globes are part of a propaganda conspiracy created by NASA to brainwash us into believing that the earth is a sphere. That's all. Okay. Nothing flat earthy about that, right? Now, even though she's definitely not a flat earth or no question about that, I think she's being honest when she says she's not. You might have noticed in the first clip that we watched, which is the most recent one that she brought back flat earth Dave. And you might be wondering, well, if she's not a flat earth or why does she keep platforming flat earthers on her podcast, which by the way is titled Guns Jesus and Babies or Jesus Guns and Babies, I think either way. But you might be wondering like, why, if you're trying to get rid of this label, why would you keep bringing back flat earth Dave of all people? And she actually addressed that in this episode. So I have a show today. Y'all are going to be so impressed that I did this show. I did an interview again with this guy because I made the Rolling Stones twice and then AJC multiple times went viral. You know, they've called me a flat earth or that all this stuff didn't want me to get elected to the GOP because they said I was crazy. But I will interview whoever I want to. This is America. So welcome to David Wilds back to my show. Welcome, Dave. Thank you, Candice. And I want to say the earth is not flat. It is a topographical level plane with hills and valleys and mountains and trenches. But water tells us that the earth is level. Gee, I just can't imagine why anyone would think she's a flat earth. Now, in case you were wondering, no, she didn't challenge his flat earth rhetoric, shocking, I know. And it's because she is, wait for it, a motherfucking flat earth. You can say that you're not a flat earth, but if you keep doing flat earth things and saying flat earth things, I think that it's not uncharitable to put you in that camp. It's like the right-wing grifters who say, no, I'm actually a liberal. I'm more of a centrist when they say nothing but right-wing propaganda talking points and they exclusively attack the left. Think Tim Pool, think Jimmy Dorb. So yeah, I don't think that it's unreasonable to say she's a flat earther because she's a flat earther. But ultimately, if you cut to the core, this is her main belief. Anytime we get this conversation brought up, some people are passionate about it being flat. They're passionate about it being a globe. But then there's other people, I think, like me and other people, which I believe in creation, 100%. I believe in a farmament. I believe in creation. I believe what the word says. But we are like, I don't really care either way. I believe in Jesus. I love how she's trying so hard to fence it. So she appears more reasonable but still ends up looking insane by expressing support for creationism, which means that she believes that the earth is like 5,000 years old or 6,000 years old at most.   Why all the focus on candidates? And it's because she's not just any ordinary Republican. She is a GOP leader who is in a position of power and influence. Not only is she the chair of the Republican Party in Georgia's first congressional district, but she was a gubernatorial candidate in Georgia's 2022 election. Now, thankfully, she lost by more than 70 points and only got 3.4% of the vote. But despite that, she still refused to concede and claims that the election was stolen from her. And she's even gained the support of other prominent election deniers like Mike Lindell, who tried to bolster her claims. Case in point. We have preliminary evidence that Candace Taylor, for every single vote that Kemp got, he took her, got their votes, and then Candace got 5% back. Now, these are all through the all the precinct. Yeah. So I mean, there's a Republican civil war going on at the national and state levels. And at the state level in Georgia, people like Candace Taylor are trying to move up in the ranks to cleanse the party of rhinos, like their governor, Brian Kemp. So her flat earth views might be fringe, but that could change if she is able to continue building her profile in Georgia. And given the state of American politics right now, I wouldn't be surprised if she one day was elected to Georgia's legislature, or even Congress, because that's kind of the direction that our country is heading in, unfortunately. But until then, Candace Taylor is unquestionably my favorite lull cow this year, and I will continue to milk her for lull so long as she keeps pumping out these bangers. Now, in conclusion, I'm going to leave you with a Candace Taylor music video that I made for absolutely no reason one day. So enjoy. Hey, I don't know a hundred percent, but it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. I don't know a hundred percent, but it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make Nice to meet you.


Hey everybody. This is Christian Buckley with another MVP buzz chat. I'm talking today with Sarah. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm doing well. So for folks that don't know you, who are you? Where are you? What do you do? So my name's Sarah. I answer to anything polite though, but officially my name's Sarah Fenner. I'm primarily a Microsoft certified trainer and newly MVP. Congratulations. I don't like brand new as well. So yes, brand new. So yes, I think I'm about two months in now. So yes, very exciting times. I focus on Microsoft Office primarily teams, I would say, mainly because that's where the work is currently. Yeah. And day to day, my day job, teaching people about all the goodness that there is inside Office 365, Microsoft 365. In fact, anything they asked me to tell them about really? That's great. Yeah. There's, you know, it's always one of those wrong assumptions that companies make is that, oh, everybody understands how to use, you know, and then whatever the product is because it's in the office suite. Just assume to do. It's like, well, like anything, the majority of people know how to, I can open a new word doc. I can type things in, but they have no idea about the million other features that are within the application. And especially now that we're talking about like the browser-based, the cloud-based versions of the products and all of the AI capabilities, there's always something new to talk about. There's always something new to talk about. I always say to people at the start of the course, as I'm eating my breakfast, I'm also reading the roadmap because there's at least two or three new things that have been launched today in this space. You know, it's always one of the things I recommend to people because a common question people ask is, you're like, how do you keep up with things? And you must be on top of everything. It's like, no, no, I'm not. There's people I rely on. But the other thing that is ingenious is the sync between teams in a planner and the roadmap or the message center update specifically. And so you know what is actually impacting your tenant. So that's a team slash planner slash roadmap. You know, that's a great tip. And I love that because you can assign those tasks in planner to whoever's responsible for it in your organization. And then you can have the conversation about it, which really is what this whole integration between planner teams is all about. But that's just a really great example of how, you know, something very simple can really improve productivity within an organization. Well, that's what I love about the productivity tip stuff. Like I'm not an MCT. I'm not a trainer going out. I've done workshops. I've presented a number of events, but I love focusing on the productivity tips. And I actually started this almost a decade ago, talking about like features in SharePoint. I started as a SharePoint MVP. And I just kind of it slowly morphed into as SharePoint on-prem into SharePoint online, and then the broader Microsoft 365 and into the office productivity. And of course, there's solutions that are in SharePoint that are also office tips and things like that. But really trying to go in and show like, Hey, here's, you know, there's cool hidden features and capabilities that are out there. And so people sit in those kinds of presentations.  I know about this. And I know about this. Whoa, what is that thing I've never heard of before? There's always something. There's always something. It's the moment. Yeah. We all want one of them. It's all about we want to dazzle people and we want a little bit of shock and awe with those. Yeah. What was your path to becoming an MVP? Kind of what did it? What did it? Well, actually COVID. But let me take a step back. Nobody talks about all the positive things about COVID. Let's hear about them according to Sarah. Okay. So I've been a trainer for over 20 years. Okay. I started off training Microsoft Office products, quite basic level and ended up working with Microsoft Project because I had experience of project management as well. And from project, I got into project server, which is SharePoint based, which leads me into SharePoint. And this was around about the time BPOS was coming out and Office 365. So there goes another thing to add to Sarah's list of courses that she delivers. That's my old team. When I was at Microsoft, I joined MMS and was there when we got rebranded as BPOS. Yeah. So I kind of heard about BPOS about three or four months before the whole Office 365 process kicked off. So for me, BPOS is very much a precursor. Of course. Yep, it was. It's kind of the old name. Well, and BPOS, for folks who don't know what that is, Business Productivity Online Services, we started as MMS or Microsoft Managed Services or Microsoft Managed Solutions, depending on how Bill Barr claims that it was called, even though it was services. Anyway, MMS evolved into BPOS, Business Productivity Online Services. Most of BPOS was actually still on-prem. It was dedicated on-prem, but it really was the precursor to Office 365 and truly the cloud solution, the cloud offer. Yeah. So my Office 365 subscription that I work in today, most of the time, is right from the very beginning. It was one of the very first trial tenants in the UK back in 2011. I've grown with the product. I always describe it as that was the blandest of vanilla at the beginning, because it was a distinction with the change from BPOS. And here's, again, this is like my kind of interpretation of it, but a big part of it was Microsoft realizing we can't continue doing the dedicated on-prem calling it truly a cloud solution, but we also need to productize it. It needs to be more packaged. We can't have every single deployment being a unique flower, a snowflake that's out there, because we can't support that as a service. So we need to, I would say call it, we need to make it generic, but they need like what can we, what's repeatable, what's supportable, what's scalable, and then we'll add features, add complexity later. So that's what happened. It went from, if you wanted highly customized, you had to do on-prem, but if 60% of the features, 70% of the features were good enough and get the cloud-based, and then it very, of course, rapidly expanded when Microsoft kind of made the call, they said, we will innovate in the cloud first. Yes. And that's where news features will be developed going forward, because they had to draw a line in the sand at some point. Exactly. And for someone like me, that's been absolutely fantastic, because my skills and knowledge and expertise have grown as that service has grown. So I've gone from being an office trainer, training the basic office suite, which is enough of a challenge in its own right to what I call myself a born-in-the-cloud admin. I've never done on-prem, I've never spun up a server, I've never managed an on-prem server, networks. What are networks?  Okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit, I know a little bit more than that, but realistically, that's my kind of knowledge level in those areas. And I've been doing that for a long time, and I'm freelance trainer, I've been quite successful with that. My diary is never empty, which is always good. And then COVID hit, and my diary emptied. But it presented me with an opportunity to get involved in more of the community groups and to spend more time on the blog post. I wasn't spending four hours at the end of every day traveling to get to the next training course. And that meant I've been able to really kind of make my waves, if you like, in the community and bring my knowledge out to the wider audience and really give that commitment and contribution that you need as an MVP. So the change in lifestyle has given me that opportunity. And I like to think it's really just allowed me to shine a light on what I can do, my knowledge, my expertise, and that kind of underlying support that a lot of trainers actually give to their delegates, the people who come on their courses. I spend most of my evenings answering people who've been on a course as they come up with queries and questions afterwards, which again is another really valid contribution to make to the tech community. But until you're doing other things as well, you don't really see that as being valuable as an MVP. So that's how I got here, really. How much do you think is going to change in that world? I mean, as things start to open back up again, I can't see it going 100% back to that model. Because one thing that's happened over the last, it's really five, six, seven years, is that the technology to support doing online classes and synchronous and asynchronous communication, collaboration, the chat-based things. There are some things about teams that are very frustrating. I'll be honest around that, like any technology. But there are some things that are just amazing. I mean, every day, I have interactions with, so I'm completely remote. I've worked, I'm about to have my one-year anniversary with my company, but I've been working from home for the last decade, working for various ISAs. Since I left Microsoft in 2009, I've worked from home that entire time. And it was hard to work with remote teams. For years, my company was in Boston, then it was in Washington, D.C. Now my company's based out of New Jersey and the D.C. area, and of course there's people all over the world that I have a global role. But the thing that was different, the thing that was difficult previously is that I might be the lead on a project. I'm the person driving that, but there would be conversations. They would forget the people that were remote and all this progress, all this stuff and decisions made. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait a second, like why am I just hearing about this now? Why was I not part of that, well, we went and had a meeting or we went out to lunch and we made a decision around this. That's part of what I think will change. I always, sorry, how I compare this to people, like I commuted for over a year on a motorcycle to work. It was a short commute, very little time on the freeway, which riding a motorcycle on a freeway in California was a scary ordeal. But I did that. What ended my time community on my motorcycle was it was parked, and someone hit it, parked in the parking lot, crushed it, destroyed my bike, and I went and bought a car after that. But what I learned was that experience in riding the bike, I then ever since, I have become more like my heightened awareness of motorcycles on the freeway around me, on the roads. I see them, I'm looking for them, and I know like I need to give this a little extra clearance to this person. That's what I believe will happen and will change. I have to believe this is true, but that people will become more aware and sensitive to coworkers that need to participate that are not at location. Yeah, exactly. We're seeing this as we're starting to get hybrid events and hybrid meetings coming up. Several of us have fallen back into our old ways, chatting in the corner of the meeting room and forgetting that's a challenge for the people who are joining the meeting remotely. But from a training perspective, the technology, it does the job. Why would you spend, why would you go and travel to a city and stay in a hotel for four nights to attend a training course when you can sit at home and do it? For the experience. If you've got a good trainer and you're willing to participate yourself, training is a two-way process. As long as both the learner and the trainer are willing to put in the extra energy, then it works just as well. You do need more energy. You really, really do. It's so easy to fall asleep at the end of a virtual call. There's skills. People have that skills that they can be very engaging even if it's online. If you're doing like a training session, if you're going in there and you're walking through, hey, I'm learning how to use a PowerPoint. You're instructing me. We're doing things on that kind of guidance. That's something like it's very purposeful. A conference is different. The value of the conference, like going to one of the marquee events on Microsoft Ignite, for example, the value of that event is not the session content. I can go watch that. I could watch the recording of it afterwards. It's all of the people interactions. Yes. That's what we've been missing for two years in that activity. How much of an impact that is to training? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think it's actually had a bigger impact on conferences than it has on training. I think with training, you can be just as effective without the in-person. It can have sufficient impact. It's very individual. We all learn differently. That's the harder part of it. In terms of going forward, I have bookings in my diary through to next November, and they're all virtual. I'm not really being asked to go back into the classroom. You talked about hybrid. What about a hybrid model where you might have the entire session live streamed close circuit to people or prerecorded? Are you thinking about those or being asked for those kinds of scenarios? A lot of the bigger learning providers do quite like to do the hybrid. As a trainer, I'm afraid to say it's my least favorite model because I've got the worst of both worlds as well as the best of both worlds. I've got people in front of me who are claiming my attention, and it's much harder to give the attention and the energy to the online attendees, therefore. For me personally, I much prefer one or the other as a training event. As a conference, that's a very different kettle of fish. I went to comms first earlier this year, and that was a hybrid event. Now, I was attending in person, but I've gone back and watched quite a few of the sessions as the recordings, and I can see the value of those for the people who didn't want to attend in person. I don't feel I missed content by watching the recordings. It would have been better had I been able to virtually attend live because I would have been able to ask the questions. That's where the hybrid event really comes in. I've helped this in August as well as in September last year. Strange enough, we did this in-person event September last year because we thought here in the US it was starting to open up again. It kind of reversed course with Delta, but we did those. The feedback that we received from the people that were virtual because there was like three times a number of people watching than there were participating, but we did it all in teams and what made the difference. When you're presenting it up in front, you can't then be required to be monitoring questions that are happening. That doesn't work. Having somebody, a moderator, in the room, that was the magic for us. There is somebody that was there in person monitoring all the discussion. When questions were asked online, that person raised their hand and asked the question on behalf. That was fantastic. The feedback we got was fantastic. That was a conference. Yes. That's one of the reasons why as a training course we tend to limit the numbers because then as a trainer, we've got the ability to focus on the number of people that we're dealing with. When you go to a conference, you've got a much bigger number of people. You've also got a much shorter timeframe as a speaker to present your session. Exactly as you said, that's where the moderator really becomes invaluable. One place that I've been watching more closely, talking about teams and you're doing a lot with teams, one of the areas where there's a huge number of people, tens of thousands of people, within Facebook groups around teams. In fact, there are teams groups and then there are teams, there's two that I'm a member of, teams for education. I don't know the difference between two, I think just who started them, but one of them has like 60,000 members in it. It's great to go in and just look at what kind of questions people are asking. To be honest, half the questions asked, they just need to scroll a bit or search within that and they'll find the answers there. They're fairly common. Come on one of my training courses. There you go. That's right. It's a great way just to, but that's what we do with an AMA that we run. We go through and we look at those kinds of questions and it's always great going back to what we were talking about, like keeping up with the roadmap. Sometimes I'll see a question and be like, what are they talking about? Oh, that's like a new, I didn't realize that change happened. It's a great way to get alerted. Unfortunately. I read about it six months ago. It's here. Yeah, it's finally here. Someone's using it and then you have questions. That's always, it's very discouraging to be in a support organization and when you're hearing about changes or when things break for customers, that's not a positive thing to be in. You try to stay ahead of what your customers see, but at the speed of the evergreen model, the software as a service, there's no way no human can stay on top of everything. You can't stay on top of everything. And you know, as a trainer, it's my job to teach people about these products and how to use them, how to administer them. And quite often I'll go in to start training something and go, give me a second. Oh, it's there now. I didn't know this change was coming. I promise. Did you try refreshing your screen? Now the feature's there. Yeah. Yeah, that's another, that's one of those things which I think people have adjusted to. People have adjusted to asynchronous communications as well as using the real-time tools. I love that, seeing other sales people and I'm going to call with them and they're like, let me share the screen and hey, let's co-edit on this. I'm like, yes, yes. It's great to see that. Good for you. Let's actually use these features. I know. But to see those things, but people have also become accustomed to, why don't I see that feature? Oh, my tenant must not yet have that. They're becoming more aware of what's rolling out. I always, I know you can get this with, that's why it's good to follow the message center updates of what's actually happening with your tenant. You'll get those alerts because I don't pay as much attention to the roadmap site for that reason because I don't want to go get excited about something and then wait six to 12 months until it actually gets released and lands on my tenant. I'd rather focus on the things which are happening in real time to my tenant. I like one training technique that works really well as repetition and that's why I like both because I see it, I'm prepared for it and then I get the message center post to remind me and get the detail. I quite like it twice at least.  Oh yeah, my head's exploding. And there's a lot and for folks too, that's one of the best benefits of being an MVP is we have regular, every week there's something that's going on that you can sign up for depending on your focus area. There are teams calls, there are broader office apps and services like you and I both are those calls. I participate in project and planner discussions. One note I'm very partial to. Occasionally I'll sit in an Outlook exchange call if there's something that's coming up. There's always deep dives into this and insights into what's happening. I'm part of Microsoft Viva calls. Note to self, I've got to go and find the one note place and planner. There is when, as I say, I'm a couple of months in, there's so much information and finding out which bits you need to be in to get the information you're interested in is actually a real challenge. I spend quite a lot of time actually messaging fellow MVP saying, how do I get this bit? Where do I find that bit? And I've actually also this week just been appointed a regional lead for the MCT community. So that's going to be another one as well. Well, because you have all that free time of course. Yeah, loads of free time. You're not flying to client sites. So you've got two hands. Come on. I'm female. I can multitask. Yeah, my brain and hands can do completely different things. Of course. And then I'll switch the camera off at the end of the day and do the off camera slump as my body kind of goes. Therese, sleep is overrated though. Come on. Well, I have a 17 year old son and when he was first born he didn't sleep at all. We would get half an hour of sleep every two hours and this lasted for six, seven months. So I always say, my son thinks sleep is for wimps and his parents are not wimps. Yeah, well, you've got battle tested there. I can't do that. I always say that so I have four and the first one was a breeze and we're like the second one was a breeze. We're worried like payback is coming at some point. Well, nature saw fit to only let us have the one so it's quite good really because he wasn't a breeze. So perhaps it was the best way around. Well, Sarah, it was great talking to you, connecting with you, getting to know you and for folks that want to find out more about you and get in touch with you, what are the best ways to reach you? So I am always on LinkedIn most days, probably more active on LinkedIn than on Twitter, but I am also on Twitter. I do have quite unique names. So if you look me up, especially if you're looking for the MCT MVP connection as well, I'm really quite easy to find. And I do have also obviously the blog posts that I'm doing, but I always post that on my Twitter and LinkedIn. So that's the best place to start. Excellent. And for those that are you're finding this on the podcast or somewhere else, you can of course go to buckleyplanet.com. I'll have a search on Sarah. You'll be able to find her profile and all the links and things that are on that as well. So well, thanks so much. Well, hopefully one of these days we'll be able to to get together at a future event. So I hope I hope to be over your way in 2022. Fingers crossed. I look forward to it. Thank you for having me today.