Okay, we'll call this meeting to order. Welcome to the May 28th Santa Rosa City Council meeting. Madam City Clerk Could you announce the role? And let the record show that all council members are present. Thank you Report on our closed session Madam City Attorney Yes council met in closed session on item 2.1 and gave direction to staff Thank you well said We have no proclamations staff briefing fire recovery and rebuild update. Mr. City Manager Yeah, a couple things on that front Three recovery and rebuilding community meetings have been scheduled for residents of Fountain Grove and Hidden Valley Neighborhood areas each meeting will focus on specific recovery topic areas impacting the Fountain Grove and Hidden Valley Neighborhoods residents will have a chance to ask questions and hear the latest updates from the staff and the mayor as well as Council member Filming who represents the district will attend the first meeting is this Thursday, May 30th from 6 to 7 30 p.m. At Keysight Technologies Facility in Fountain Grove Additional meetings are scheduled for Monday, June 10th and Thursday, June 20th both are from 6 to 7 30 during each meeting staff from the city's Rebuilding Permit Center Will also be on hand to meet one-on-one with homeowners who are rebuilding to discuss questions about their property including design modifications setbacks Landscape, etc. Full meeting details are available at srcity.org forward slash rebuild and sorry The June the just to repeat the third this Thursday meeting is at Keysight Technologies and the June 10th and June 20th meetings are at Hidden Valley Elementary School and Gonna have mr. Lowenthal come down and give a brief update as well Good evening mayor members of the council. It's been a couple months since we've given an update on where we're at with the debris side of this shop as you know Overall was a very successful debris removal operation in the sense that we lot allowed a lot of rebuilding to move forward with that It's obviously no secret that we had a lot of unresolved issues that were still left following debris removal That we're not able to be addressed by the state primarily from a state standpoint. They as we've talked about in the past We're able to deal with a lot of the over excavation Wells and septic tanks and then some other various repairs, but that left us As we previously just discussed with about 350 unresolved issues We have continued to work with accounting. We feel we have a good path forward with how to resolve a significant volume of those issues We are currently working on messaging that allows Owners of properties that had damage that was documented through the debris removal process to use their insurance funds for the debris removal One of the issues that we'd run into that we're trying to figure out how to address was those parcels that hadn't actually Received their debris removal money and the where the insurance was still holding on to it in many cases The insurance was refusing to provide that money for repairs What we're looking to do now is for example under sidewalks and curb and gutter damages that was done and documented by the debris removal process that created those damages is when the county receives those insurance funds The homeowner will be able to with the appropriate documentation Provide that information to the county and essentially get a check written to back to them that allow them to move forward with those repairs So we feel like overall we've been able to troubleshoot a vast majority of the issues that are unresolved With that we have received the three thousand plus parcel completion reports, which is what we were waiting for for about a year and a half That allows us now to work one-on-one with those individuals and we understand that any day now We will actually finally get the final cost reports from Cal OES that have been provided to them by Army Corps of Engineer And my understanding is those cost reports will actually be itemized that allow us to really see where the costs are broken down at Yes, great counsel any questions Miss Gomes Thank you. I'm not sure who I should ask this question of I Noticed in the paper there was an article about expanding the area for folks who want to Get a low-interest loan to help with rebuild Can you explain a little bit about that? I was not so we're working we're working through that process right now and council Member will have a full staff report next Tuesday on the June 4th as we figure out the details of that program as well But we're working on the Cal home program and expanding the Cal home program where work staff is working Dilligently to get answers to some of the questions and we'll have a report next Tuesday Okay, I'd like to add to the questions whether or not people who want to relocate without Building on the parcel without selling the parcel for future development can also be eligible to receive We'll look at we'll look at that I'm not sure that that is a consideration right now the Cal home program, but absolutely we can have that answer by next Tuesday. Thank you Any other questions Okay, we have one card on this item Dwayne DeWitt Thank You sir. My name is Dwayne DeWitt I'm from Rosen within Santa Rosa, but I have a great interest in journey's end that mobile home park I Suffered during the fires. I want to thank the staff for all that they've done But I'm hoping that you could tell us if journey's end residents are going to be eligible for any more types of assistance specifically help to move Some of those unburnt mobile homes off to other locations I've talked with other people in other parts of the country who've had mobile homes With fires nearby and smoke got in They cleaned them and reuse them. They moved back into their units. I talked with a couple of people and Some owners of those mobile homes go to the mobile homes that are there journey's end and Revisit them often They're usable. They're nice in a way and it would behoove us I think to help save as many of those mobile homes as Possible those are housing units and every housing unit that we can save helps us. Thank you for your time Thank you Dwayne mr. St St. Manjia comments so again, I'll try to get a more full report but I do believe that that is a matter of evolving litigation and While they are there there are some considerations for those owners and the property itself So I'm not I can't discuss it a full but I do know that there's a matter of Eligibility and litigation with insurance Surrounding those homes. Okay. Thank you And that's all for the report correct mr. City manager That's correct. Okay. City manager city attorney's report madam city attorney anything to report nothing to report. Thank you, mr. City manager Yes Well on back on May 7th the board of supervisors for the County of Butte Recognize the city of Santa Rosa for all the help we provided over the last six months I Will pass around the recognition the proclamation for council members to take a moment and take a look at but I did want to Recognize the staff who did provide the mutual aid This includes mutual aid for the town of Paradise as well as butte County That would be Jason nut David Gouin Jake Bayless Raya Sadiella Rosa James Castro Emma Walton Joe Schiffoni and Adrian Mertens So thank that staff for the time they put in And we appreciate the recognition Great. Thank you so much for that It is I've shared that often times how the city of Santa Rosa is paying it forward what we've learned you just demonstrated How we're doing that in action. So thank you for that mr. City manager All right counseling statements of abstentia Mr. Tibbets, thank you mayor. I'll be abstaining from the April 30th 2019 regular meeting minutes Any others seeing none? All right mayors council members reports who would like to start Seeing none to my right miss Combs Thank you. I have a couple of sort of housekeeping items as Many of you may know I am Rolling back some of my activities and we'll be stepping down from the red As well as I have already stepped down from the a bag RPC position And I wanted to be public about that because we have an a bag RPC discussion coming up on this agenda And I wanted I've already noticed the mayor that I would be stepping back from red and I appreciate your Understanding as as this moves forward. I also have a question if I might for the city manager I'm reading the May 7th agenda it is possible that I have misunderstood the comments on the agenda I Recall that we discussed four specific items To be adjusted or to be reopened on the agenda For what date and time they would occur and that that conversation would be coming Maybe my understanding was today, but I'm not seeing it. So I'm wondering So it is so that conversation will happen at the end of the meeting if you'll notice the upcoming meetings Item has been moved. It usually follows Adjournment it's now been moved into the regular meeting at that point We will that's It doesn't say clearly there and in the minutes of the May 7th meeting It doesn't say there were four items that were to be discussed in the future It will be It is when this item happens. It'll be moving forward. It'll be item 20 and 20 point one We will staff will walk through proposed potential ways to address and the corresponding impacts Council will be asked to act Normally that occurs after adjournment and so its placement is now been moved up On the agenda. Thank you. I didn't catch the subtlety. I appreciate it and again. Thank you mayor any other reports I Have a couple items when I was able to attend last Thursday the survivors reunion that annually the AMR puts on and in yesterday attended the 48th annual Avenue the flags at Santa Rosa Memorial Park and heard the Instructional comments from retired staff sergeant Dan Nevins Probably about a thousand people were there and that was followed by a Santa Rosa Rural Cemetery Tours and one of the nice things about the Santa Rosa Rural Cemetery I really think it's a Santa Rosa gem and that volunteers basically coordinated. There's some people in Period pieces there and did tours of some famous Santa Rosans that are buried at the cemetery so again two other community events that just show how tightly Together this community is And lastly on the red appointment the Rural Enterprise district I'm pleased to appoint Victoria Fleming to replace councilmember combs on that esteemed board So good luck and thank you for your willingness to serve Okay boards commissions committee appointments Does this go for you on Madam City clerk or how do you want me to do the boards and commissions? Vacancies we've had two of the four vacancies Or is there a council member that'd like to make a motion? Anyone anyone at all we had two incumbents that are willing to be reappointed to that board I move that we re-appointed two incumbents to the board And is there a second for that? second They would have a motion in a second to support the two incumbents your votes we and mr. Mayor if we could just for the public It's mr. Hendrickson and mr. Herd who have been on and they're asking to be reappointed. Yes, they are. Thank you Your your votes play 1.6 was not a topic of discussion Do we have any cards madam? City clerk We do have a card on the side and before we vote mr. Burti I would like to call your attention to section 815.2 of the California government code subsection a So the vision a public entity is liable for injury approximately caused by an act or omission of an employee of the public entity within the scope of his employment if the actor omission would Apart from this section have given rise to a cause of action against that employee or his personal representative The part of it that I think is particularly operative when concerning these appointments that you're making to be to the Board of Building Regulations and appeals are an act or an omission of an act right Now when we're talking about Building regulations right, you know coming up on this agenda. We're also going to be talking about our homeless emergency Right now it's an emergency. I believe it's the second emergency that we'll be discussing right and You know this emergency. I mean emergencies are things that kill people right? Emergency is something you have on the way to the hospital Right, it's it's a threat to human life. That's what an emergency is So When we're appointing someone to the Board of Building Regulations if those building regulations in any way Prevent us from housing the people of this city that are suffering from this emergency Right if they fail to act Right if they fail to do what they are empowered to do both by these municipal emergencies and by the state-level emergencies that exist Right if they neglect to act you are liable for those actions because that's how the chain of command of this city works If you're familiar with it it goes at the top. This is my favorite part. There's the people of Santa Rosa Right That's number one. It's us Then there's you Then there's the people you will point Right, so those people if these people that you're about to vote on reappointing my guess is that they have not used the full scope of their abilities to Work around building regulations that maybe prevent homeless individuals from sleeping in buildings, right? I mean I can I know in more than one occasion. We've thrown people out of buildings where they were seeking shelter, right? Let's not forget That we have a legal obligation a legal obligation, which you're well aware of which miss combs has spoken about before Right to house these people Okay, so, you know, that's a legal obligation that again concerns human life, right? We should not be more worried about buildings than we are about human beings these people aren't doing their job You shouldn't reappoint them Right. Thank you Thank you Those are all the cards we have we have a motion in a second your votes, please And we have six eyes and I know mr. Tibbets could we have reset Your votes again Thank you, that's seven eyes all right 11.2 Subcommittee and liaison reports. I'm looking for some directions regarding appointments. We have four different categories A bag one position no letters were received the executive board alternate one position No letters were received the regional planning committee one position a letter was received from Susan Adams at Burner Park in the last category the agricultural preservation open space district citizens advisory committee one letter received from John dole also from Catahti I would entertain any motions from counsel mr. Ismael All right, I will start making a motion to support Susan Adams for the Association of Barrier governments regional planning committee second All right, let's take them one. I'd like to make an alternate motion and the alternate motion I'd like to make is that we make the Decision for these bodies up to the mayor when he goes in in that way if Additional letters come in between now and the Date of the meeting that the mayor has the option to make a selection. I need a second for a substitute I have no problem with that motion second Thank you And that's for all four positions that was for all four positions that instead of Deciding on each one we allow the mayor to have a choice Sounds good to me Okay, we have a motion in the second and your votes and then also pass it unanimously. Thank you Okay approval minutes Mr. Tibbets, I believe is abstaining from 12 point one Were there any additional corrections? Let's take them separately for 12 point one Seeing none will accept those as submitted and I'm 12 point to the minutes from May 7th any corrections to that I Have a concern that the minutes for May 7th Don't reflect that that we were going to have a discussion of the four items that we're about to discuss later in the agenda So if we can just insert that there was discussion for four items to come forward in the future. Thank you So, I mean do you have language? I'm not sure what the city clerk would do with that and for me. Does that make sense to you? Yes, I can make the change. Okay, great. Thank you any additional additions adjustments Okay, then we'll accept those Consent items mr. McGlynn Item 13.1 Resolution extension of proclamation of existence of a local emergency due to fires item 13.2 resolution extension of proclamation of a local homeless emergency Council question on either of those items Seeing none. I have two cards Dwayne DeWitt 13.2 Hello, my name is Dwayne DeWitt. I'm from Roseland within Santa Rosa I hope some of you still read the press Democrat newspaper and saw the picture of the cottage owned by the city at Howard Park It was moved there many many years ago and there's been a discussion going on about the city saving money by not having these buildings on Their responsibility They're seen by some in the community though as taxpayers assets as a Possible approach to help house more people These cottages there's four over in Roseland that are actually full-size houses in one cottage They are still structurally sound and they can be moved For over a hundred years in America the technology to move houses has been utilized to keep The assets of a house rather than destroying it. I would hope during this local homeless emergency Which shows no signs of abating soon that you Could take the time to become Forces of yes To save structures and have them be reused for housing of people During this homeless emergency The city owns land on Stony Point Road that's zoned a residential Houses were destroyed there to widen Stony Point Road It's near Sebastopol Road and Rose Avenue is the actual intersection with Stony Point Road There are actually more than one lot. There are a series of lots 17 housing units were torn down back in the past The idea of working with non-profit organizations such as veterans groups To help houses be utilized for housing Especially for young veterans that may be disabled Such as the gentleman that was here on Sunday who'd lost his legs to an improvised explosive device Veterans groups would love to step in and help to convert those housing units for the use of disabled veterans. I Remember the one cottage at 1372 Burbank Avenue that had a disabled elderly woman living in it She had asked to be able to buy it and move it off the property The city participated in the evacuation Excuse me the eviction of that woman from that lot so the city could buy it with taxpayers' monies from the state These are all assets that could help to lessen the burden of the homeless emergency Save houses move them. Don't destroy them. Thanks, Doreen. George Uberti followed by Victoria Yanez It's one of that. I thought Doreen made a wonderful point you know The city of Santa Rosa Like any government. I mean it has an obligation First and foremost before it has any other obligation of any kind to protect the lives of its citizens right we know That shelter is a human it's part of being a lot. You can't the human beings in shelter go together All right to behave as though we have a responsibility to something else Before we have a responsibility to shelter these people is to be as ignorant as it is possible for you to be Right, it's not something that we can allow you to do anymore Right, you must be aware not only like we come in here and we want it But you know who wants it more the people who aren't sheltered Right who are citizens of this country right who you have a responsibility to as elected officials now we have currently in this in Sonoma County to 2895 Unsheltered people 65% of that population is uncheltered 65% The majority right that's 1,882 people now of that Number just of the unsheltered population right 1,251 of them are severely mentally ill Right severely mentally ill meaning among other things. They don't have the ability to take care of themselves Right, they can't do it. We have to All right, so not only do we have an obligation to How's people to keep your citizens alive, right? But in a general way We have an obligation towards people who can't take care of themselves, right? They are wards of the state right now that 1,251 at 67% of the unsheltered population so the majority of people without shelter are Incapable of attaining it whether it's affordable or not Right affordable housing must be afforded by someone right somebody who is severely mentally ill can't afford anything because it requires them to do things that They can't do because they're severely mentally ill Right, so when we're looking at housing, right? We need to look not just at building affordable units, right? But about building units that are integrated into a system of service right when we have a homeless system of care Right, we need to not just create affordable boxes to put people in we need to build a community That has the services that the people who require shelter need in order to retain their housing Right and in order to be rejoined with the social fabric that they've been squeezed out of right That's what we do here We don't just put boxes together and hope people live in them. We're a city right? We're a community of people Right where we're in this together. We build community together and that's we have a responsibility to take an honest effort at envisioning All right, so don't just build affordable houses Liveable communities. Thank you Victoria Yanis Thank you for allowing me to speak Victoria Yanis from homeless action exclamation point I'm actually very thankful that Homeless action is getting an opportunity to Put our money where our mouth is and and start providing some housing for the homeless the only problem is The bureaucracy and everything because if it's a homeless emergency that should mean we need to relax some of the zoning requirements and building code requirements And Fund the CHAPs program because I know that it wasn't used very much if at all But the CHAPs program when people are now starting to work on their projects to bring housing about We have to Support that by keeping CHAPs funded so that the Assistance through that program can be utilized One thing that really bothers me though That during this homeless emergency The strategies of the police have changed and I'm sure is from the direction from the city council it's That Infractions for camping are not being given out. I don't know if it's because of the lawsuit or what? but it's just littering disorderly conduct and You know beating around the bush, but making sure they get the people and then This is a setup because That's automatically a probation violation Because violation of any law So that's why the homeless say that it's a condition of their probation that they not be homeless but We're gonna have to if The city council doesn't act on this and get the police department in line To not be using other statutes when they can't use the camping statute To get around it and still Take people to the jail to cite them out eight or twelve hours later That during this homeless emergency the people should be cited out on the street Thank you. Thank you any of the cards for the consent calendar mr. Rogers Thank You mr. Mayor. I will move items 13.1 and 13.2 of the consent calendar wait for the reading of the text second We have a motion a second your votes, please in that passage unanimously. Thank you So not being five o'clock yet will Skip the public comment until after five we'll start with item 15.1 mr. City manager Item 15.1 report ordinance adding chapter 1-06 to the Santa Rosa city code authorizing the use of electronic records and electronic and digital signatures Eric McHenry chief information technology officer presenting Mayor and members of the council We're pleased to bring forward today an ordinance change recommendation to allow City staff to use electronic and digital signatures and these are the ones that are commonly used in Life and in business today when we buy a home of what we sign agreements When you sign council agendas and documents or other certain ordinances and so it's taken a while to get here in California the laws were a bit complicated in 1996 however There were some changes and more recently in 2016 AB 2296 was put out by Governor Brown that clarified the difference between electronic signatures Digital signatures and how they can be used in government and we feel with those recent adoptions to state law We feel comfortable moving forward with electronic and digital signatures I'll talk a little bit about a little bit later about the difference between electronic and digital But there was some confusion about that and I think I'll just hit it right now Electronic signatures are what you typically think of in your daily life when you're required to sign something It's requires verification either by an email address something unique to you Or a pin code or a password Depending how it's done, but it's something that ties you to that signature for more For more significant records There's something called a digital signature and that's actually like a certificate uses certificate from a trusted agency That actually specifically says this cert is owned by let's say the city of Santa Rosa and authorized people can use this cert It's much like a website certificate actually we anticipate that most of the signatures We use in the city will be standard electronic signatures not necessarily the higher level of security digital signatures But this policy sets forward the path to do both The analysis behind it is really straightforward. I don't know how many signatures we have in in city government But there are a tremendous number of them from internal routing memos seeking approval for hiring seeking budget changes travel credit card authorizations To more official government records. I know that in ped for example, they have to sign a number of documents for rebuilding In real estate a number of documents have to be signed for real estate transactions And so we see a great degree of efficiency with this the city has chosen adobe sign as our official city electronic signature platform However, this policy allows us to use other signature platforms if used by a different partner vendor for example If a vendor or partner uses to use docusign, which is another common one We can do that if they choose to use Third-party signature platforms for agreement Contracting agreement language we can use those as well. This is really platform independent But it sets in place the ordinance allows us to do this do this So I mentioned before the second bullet there down second second of bullets section of bullets suggests that a Valid digital signature, you know, it's unique to the person using it and we first started looking at this years ago We kind of wondered well is it really secure, right? Because we can send something out an email and someone can just click on it on their phone and sign it and in fact when we compare that to sending out Something in FedEx to a company in some other state and requiring back to wet signatures We're never really sure who signed those two signatures and not know to rise And so in a lot of ways back in most ways Electronic signatures are actually more secure because we get an audit log that shows it was sent to this person here This is their IP address. They signed it. They forwarded on this the IP address It's the time they did it and we have a log that shows the path of the signatures, which is much more controllable and auditable than a wet signature So that's the second bullet capable of verification It's under the sole control the person using it, you know, for example in the typical platforms that we use you cannot just Have someone else sign it for you actually have to redesignate to them as an official signer that goes into the log For example, if I said well, I receive this in my company, but I'm not the official signer I want to delegate this to someone else that delegation and the email address with a delegation actually goes in the The the records associated with the signature. So it's a really good log to see what happened when such stuff went out for signature It also locks the data Typically will do things in PDF form and actually when you have a form that's been digitally signed You actually cannot edit that form at all. In fact, once the first person has signed it It can't be edited so allows us to send things out in parallel or in series in terms of authenticating and getting digital signatures quickly We've been doing some testing internal On it just city stuff to see how well it worked out and we had one the other day where we had a memo That probably would have taken a week to get signed just in terms of as it moved around to the various people And it got signed in probably an hour and a half and that was simply because it forwarded to this person They could see what they had to do who signed it before them and went to the next person They could see you was do so we're really quite excited about the efficiency that is going to provide us As I mentioned before there's two technologies one or the ones is less secure that we'll use for most of our business The second ones are one that use public keys or signature dynamics that really lock it down And we'll have this isolated for the people in the city that need to sign things like this perhaps real estate That's really about it in a nutshell. We will have a policy put in place Go back one. Sorry a policy put in place Initiative policy signed by the city manager that articulates who can use digital signatures with the signature level Authority level is what type of training we want to have You know, for example, we do want to make sure that any city employee that it's given access to use these signatures Actually gets trained on it. It's very much in the same way. We do training on our systems for who can cut a check for accounts payable So that's my recommendation and summary and I'll just stand for questions Okay, thank you. Mr. McKenna council any questions Seen any cards no cards. Mr. Soria the other side Thank you, mayor I introduce the ordinance of the council the city center Rosa adapting chapter one dash zero six to the center was a city code authorizing the use of electronic records and electronic and digital signatures and wait for the reading We have a motion a second your votes, please And that passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you Okay, Adam 16.1 the public care in the Rosen Village Senate of map continue to June 25th no written communication Again, we haven't had our first public comment section Where we talked about closed session item mr. McGlynn item 20 so there were four items that were brought forward for consideration of some movement on the upcoming meetings list and the calendar that the council has and We want to walk through those four items of asked Appropriate staff to come down in case there are additional questions Earlier to I'm going to start with the open government task force and the corresponding ordinance I Reviewed this calendar with the vice mayor who's the chair of the subcommittee. I believe that was probably the biggest issue Was the absence of a calendar? this calendar will be published and It will corresponding meetings will be set up right now We've got a meeting scheduled for July 18th where the city clerk will present the operational infiscal aspects Impacts excuse me and the draft ordinance will be presented it will then go out for public comment on September 5th Staff will present that feedback to the open government task force subcommittee And then Depending on the response This date has a little bit of flexibility, but we're shooting for October 22nd To bring the ordinance and the impacts to counsel for full discussion. There have been no calendar There is now a calendar And associated meetings and I had as I said earlier reviewed that with council member Rogers. So that's the first First Item that will be that's been calendar then this may I ask I'm not seeing That on the calendar that is in the packet now Well again, we're running to the finish line here. It is not in that calendar right now This will be subsequent after this meeting after we receive direction. We will update the calendar the upcoming meeting Even as a maybe thanks. Yes Yeah, just for counsel clarification So the city manager going to talk about those four different items or city manager or staff Then we'll ask any questions receive any public comment and then we'll actually go through each of the items individually in the order That was presented. So continue. So in an effort to Elevate the non-discrimination Ornance We're we feel that we can move that up in the calendar 30 days the corresponding impact on that item is To to move the Bennett valley senior center conversation back In the calendar There are actually some reasons to do that in addition because there's going to be additional analysis needed with some of the findings from the Home the The leadership council and digesting some of that so that would be moving back In the calendar To september 24th where we would also be having the first conversation Report out on the rental inspection program But that would be the trade-off and staff feels like that they could meet that timetable around the non-discrimination ordinance for that Adjustment on the $15 in a wage is a little more complicated There's a real concern coming from the city attorney's office and And frankly it has a potential to impact our federal grants we have to Develop a protocol about our procurements and that has to be done before the end of june It's for for grants over $5 million and that will be direct have direct impacts on transportation public works and And potentially dr funding as it comes down The road we have to do that before the end of the fiscal year So we would be moving something that we for for that item I can't promise delivery because we have to get through the other mandated item in the city attorney's office in addition Doing so would delay by 30 days a conversation on commercial linkage fees because that group is also the same group dealing with commercial linkage fees and right now we have Space included in the calendar to get notice out for public comment and input and that would essentially disappear And what this would be would be moving to the june 25th meeting from the meeting that is currently scheduled in on July 16th so essentially And again, we can't promise delivery We feel that it's still better to have the date certain than actually to To jeopardize the fact that we'd be confusing the public because the staff really does have to get This essential work done on the federal grant purchasing requirements So that item is a little more difficult in the last item, but again We could move it but there would be things delayed and Potentially we would not be able to meet the date the last item. I'm going to turn it over to David guin is to discuss Moving up in the calendar the all electric ready ordinance and the impacts associated with that Thank you. Good afternoon. David guin director of planning and economic development So one of the things we looked at did have conversations with staff did meet with the friends of climate action plan rcpa scp To identify what that would mean if we moved up the all electric ready ordinance Beyond what we're currently scheduled. I understand the frustration. I understand the concern um The situation we're in right now is that we have a building code adoption that's in place and working its way through the system That's a critical process that we want to make sure we get input through a number of public meetings And integrate any sort of change to building designs and codes requirements in that process to make sure that we get the proper input So we can have that adopted by january 1st and the reason for doing that is to make sure we can vocalize our building code If we were to take this out of sequence and do this first, unfortunately, that would be reassigning staff specifically the building official Who would have to set that on a separate pathway which could delay our ability to get local input on the final Building code which would mean by state law the state base code would go into effect january 1st And we wouldn't make any local changes to it So that's a concern from us because there are energy elements in their safety elements and A tiny home small small home elements and the new building code that we want to make sure it gets addressed So the impacts are the julian implementation of those local modifications Going to a state base code The other thing that our building code Our building official and others are doing right now is a lot of support for the rebuild With over a thousand units and under construction. They have daily meetings with that and that's a big pull in their time And then the second the last piece is prepping for our subcommittee. So we have a subcommittee on june 11th That 4 p.m. In this chambers The climate subcommittee to lay these items out and figure out what best element we should incorporate in the building code adoption So we can get that in place by january I'm going to go through the proper noticing and I do want to just real quickly take Remind people that we do take this very seriously right after the fires. We met with storm clean power our cpa and They created the advanced energy rebuild incentive So there are incentives up to 17 thousand dollars to help people move towards that and incentivize people moving towards all electric So we want we need help getting that word out. We want to keep pushing that message that money is there That's the goal was to fill that gap where we get these these these These policies into place and so that's that's the impact that we have and what we're trying to do in the meantime Can I just get one clarification of the city manager regarding non-discrimination? He said he could move it up. I see on the calendar It is scheduled for September 10th In benna valley senior center was scheduled for august 27th So you said that you could So we would move that we would move we would move the non-discrimination ordinance to august 13th So that's nearly 30 days ahead of the schedule and the uh benna valley senior center conversation would move back to september 24th 24th great. Thank you council questions over on any of those four items mr. Tibbetz Thank you, mayor and thank you director geon. I'm sorry assistant city manager geon I am and looking at this just really quickly. Do you know I'll stop your head how many people sonoma clean power Has supported with that advanced energy I don't have the latest numbers. We had a small start to that program And so they have done a renewed push in terms of advertising I can get that information for you. We but but again, I I'm putting the call out anybody. They'll listen Please push let people know this is available because I think that's what it is word of mouth is better than us dictating And I assume that we in in our in our rebuild department have information posted in multiple places about How to access that program? Yep. It's on our website And there's a big uh sticker in the front door of the rebuild center as you walk in You can't it basically hits you in the face when you walk in to try to get the information out there But a lot of times we want to make sure that that's uh Individuals know about it before they walk into the building department because by that time they've typically gone through a process And so what we want to do is reach out to the neighborhood groups coffee strong The film grow residents and others to make sure that they're aware it's an option So what you just touched on was another question I had which is if we were to implement an ordinance now How does that impact the rebuild folks because I've I've been pretty upfront with the advocates And I really want to see this this ordinance implemented sooner as opposed to later But I don't want to do anything to somebody who just hired an architect and got their engineering plans drawn up to have to go back and change Those those drawings and the associated costs of doing so not to mention the added timeline because of of a new ordinance Is that is that a problem that that could be encountered? But then subsequently would there be ways to implement this ordinance to basically exempt people in those situations Typically you're you're responsible for what What codes are in place or what ordinances are in place when you file your building permits? So any of those that are in the building permit process We don't have to stop and redesign their project. So that would be the the typical process of implementing a new requirement Okay, great. Um, and I had one more question gosh darn it, but I forgot what it was I may come back to you mayor, but thank you The evening's young miss combs So I just want to confirm Anyone who already has pulled a building permit does not have to do a redesign That's correct. Okay, and I would be interested in knowing what you anticipate Between the two the dates that we're discussing Um, I would have liked to see this come Um in the august dates Um at the latest the august 27th date Um, so if you could let us know Roughly what you think based on past performance and I understand past performance It's not an indication of what future actions are going to be Roughly how many houses do you think will miss? By delaying as long as you're discussing delaying because it really concerns me to have It this the the initial homeowner Isn't really the one who's going to carry the burden It's the person who buys the house and then has to pay thousands of dollars Instead of a couple of hundred dollars To upgrade the house. So I'm trying to figure out how many Building how many people we're gonna miss And put the next buyer in this awkward position um so if you can Give us a guesstimate if you've already haven't already looked at that Yeah, I think at this point like you said a lot of it is under construction We don't know what's going to happen when insurance expires The additional living expenses expire. That's a big unknown for us right now in terms of what happens to properties That'll be closer at the end of the year But between now and I think when we're talking about implementing this this building code and changes I would say a couple hundred probably Um Two two to five two to five hundred and that you do five hundred people who we will miss And again them who we will be now causing future folks to have to pay thousands more And I think the the the two things I would say to that is is one that we're seeing a lot more people that are Looking at these do all that trick There's an article in paper this weekend about people doing that just on their own because that's the type of product They want I mean we also do want to push the incentive because that incentive is still good to the end of the year And there's still money available so we can help people get there without having And I think the unknown of what David was trying to state is that there are other things that we're contemplating through fire and other types of code changes and the problem becomes We may we may leave some of that work on this by the side of the road because we won't have the time if We elevate this process ahead because staff will have to start working on this Which means we instead of embedding it into a larger conversation about general building codes environments We're we're taking this out of sequence and that potentially Runs into some other things that we want to pursue on safety and building requirements And being not made able necessarily to get through all of those conversations as we go through it That's that that's a challenge for us and we're having a hard time forecasting what that would be I recall when the motion was made That the motion originally was to do the all-electric ready and then it was added to the motion to do the evergreen power study And i'm seeing the evergreen power study come first And the all-electric ordinance come significantly later So I would be interested in hearing from staff but also from people who are making public comment on this item Which they would prefer do they view the all the the evergreen power study If we had to swap those out This is just that a factor. So well, I think that I think it's going to be different a different part of the organization I might need to be on here. Yeah So I can talk to that real quick. So they are two two different efforts One is establishing ordinance, which means public engagement public input bringing ordinance multiple readings It's a it's a big big change when you require somebody to build something differently than what was expected The study session on evergreen is basically identifying what the energy use is bring that to the council and understand what that cost impact could be So it's essentially a valuation of what's out there. So those two efforts are very different in terms of time Well, that happened in time for us to take into account a change of cost in our budgeting Because it's coming after our budget. So since it's coming after the budget It's likely that it won't we would have to go back and make adjustments It just there's not enough time and there are other things to get into that conversation because you could You could formulate an argument that you need to make improvements in your facilities to start reducing costs Then you might be able to capture that cost reduction and invest that and increase your percentage of all all electric You could argue that if you've got inefficient Facilities that aren't actually at the height of performance You're actually just not really solving the issue You're still using the same amount of energy output. So I think those are things that are going to go on in the conversation I don't think it's a A quick fix on that front and require is going to require some strategy about balancing Both being time consuming and both having some balance and one of them while coming earlier Isn't one that we can readily act on because we haven't Going to have the budget for it because we will have already budgeted our resources. So delaying that one Seems to me makes more sense. I'm not sure where the While moving the other one which is has opportunity losses for for the future So I'll be interested in hearing comments on that But I want to I want to just remind staff the the council these are two different staff work teams Which are very different expertise ones looking internally at costs the facilities The other is looking externally at an engagement and it's not a readily swappable set of skills If council wants to look at that I'd have to go back and ask those additional questions It may be and perhaps you can correct me What i'm reading on the Calendar is that the all electric ready ordinance involves transportation and public works And that the evergreen power study does not I think that was a typo I apologize be not allocated correctly. That was a typo. I apologize. That's that may be why I'm expressing the confusion that I am The other one is I know that At the time of the conversation you're offering Bennett valley senior center as a In the conversation about non-discrimination ordinance And I'm hearing that there's other reasons to delay Bennett valley as well. So good. That's that helps us out Several of us were willing to delay the chat program review Also, is that of any assistance to you to consider delaying that in order to bring these programs? it it I will say that it's not having a direct correlation to the work product We still have a very heavy august 27th that I still need to deal with Okay, I heard that that that'd be one thing that we're willing to delay But I would say that that didn't have a direct correlation to the work scope that we were talking about right now I will repeat that that seems to me if you need that flexibility That's a program dear to my heart and delaying the conversation on it does not concern me I I would be willing to have us do that. I'm hearing that I will be I'm hearing that you're hoping the $15 minimum wage will roughly stay at July 16th that that works the best for a variety of departments that are involved in that conversation So I will be interested in hearing from the public the comments on On whether or not july 16th works. Okay for them after all And I will accept the I will listen for the comments from my colleagues on the open government ordinance. Thank you Councilor the question is mr. Vice mayor I just have One of our goals also is establishing the climate action subcommittee What's the first date of that because that group is not met yet? It's a schedule for june 11th at 4 p.m. In the council chambers and there's The agenda on that will be to discuss this item specifically and the evergreen and our frequency of meetings. Okay Any other questions did you mr. Stavers? Thank you, mayor I remember the second half of my question You you were talking about kind of running You wanted it sounds like you want to run on the parallel track with the state and with bringing those Code upgrades in and making this a part of that Were you implying that if we get out from under that process and run on a separate track The all electric ready ordinance that we would potentially be setting ourselves up for failure with that ordinance because the state could come in and Essentially enforce a change on us No, I think what I was trying to say is that if I divert resources from implementing that building code with all the other elements the fire elements of earthquake safety Tiny homes energy energy elements if I if I divert resources from that essentially what happens is at the end of it If we're not if we don't have it complete the state implements the state based code, which doesn't have any local flavor or enhancement to it which we we want to see so Um, we would have an all electric ready ordinance and a potential base code Which I don't think is in the best interest of what we're trying to accomplish So if we can incorporate that or some other version of an all electric policy a reach code or some other version To put into place by january 1st We could potentially roll that into the process that's already established what? Going off that then is it is this a well first of all do you run into problems with uh Having the base code we lose our opportunity to change our code after the base has been implemented Uh, good. You do it It gets very difficult. Yeah, and I have to refer to our building official But I after that point it gets very difficult to change Because that's the code that's in place and people would be expecting that's that those are the rules Now I've got one more question and then I'll Pipe down Good evening, so the What, uh, could you introduce yourself first sir? Introduce yourself to sorry again Jesse Oswald chief building official. I thought you've had enough of me already. So so what ACM viewing was saying was if we Fail to do the immersive process of adopting the codes which it is it starts in july july 1st The codes are published. That's when I get to and my staff we get to start reading the codes If you've seen the codes, it's it's a it's a bookshelf worth of codes I have to read every single word in those codes. It's immersive four month process If we don't do our diligence and outreach during The evaluation of those codes and make sure that we adopt the additional measures that this jurisdiction this community needs And we don't get that done. We don't get any of the extra Pages and if you were to look at our code adoption pages in our city code section 18 There are pages Hundreds of pages of extra measures that we put in locally for the city of san jose So if we don't get that done correctly, we don't get to adopt any of those That we've been operating under from the building department and fire department For the last 40 50 years. So that's that's the dangers not getting that done correctly Okay, it's the split. I mean in some what i'm hearing here is that you've got a limited amount of time A finite amount of people power But when i'm sitting up here during budget time That's a resource allocation question So my final question would be is if you had the resources to hire a consultant to facilitate kind of the environmental code upgrades pieces Would that be able to help you achieve the timeline that the council's looking for? Absolutely Well, and I think one of the things too is we are looking at having support from rcpa and others to help us Through this process We're gonna need all the help we can get even if we align it with the building code adoption because there's a lot of work going on out there with Regional organizations that have done cost studies for us already So we want to we want to leverage the work that's being done out there and incorporate that into our policies And if I may just note that our office also is involved in all of the building code and fire code updates We're also going through that Bookshelf of of ordinances and will certainly be involved in the all-electric as well So it's resources in our office as well Any questions great any other questions? Okay, we have a couple cards here first is uh tish levy followed by gregor furan I want to thank you all very much for considering this for looking at Even looking at the all america all electric ready ordinance um I'm a climate crisis activist and i'm a climate crisis journalist i've been writing a column for The gazette for something like 10 or 12 years about climate I understand that there is a process and that we're trying to get all these other elements Into the code And they're all really important fire safety tiny houses But the climate crisis is rapidly rapidly coming to a head I went to new york in 2014 for the first climate march And they told us we had 30 40 years Be you know to to deal with this Last fall the ipc said 11 As a journalist who sees a lot of information I think that may be a generous and perhaps not too realistic Estimate of how much time we have left For me the difference between Say july and january Doesn't seem like much But when you put it in the context of what's happening with the climate and all you have to do Is look at the news Go to the weather channel see what's happening in the rest of the country and the rest of the world We simply have to find A way to do it quicker Um, I was reading I was checking back in last year When this came up the pd reported and quoted councilwoman coms saying we have to do this as quickly as possible I urge you to see Perhaps you can allocate more resources To help Make this happen sooner Then then what is looking at right now This is just really desperately urgent We are running out of time Last a couple of weeks ago ed bagley spoke for the center climate protection. He said face it We've already lost southern florida We've already lost most of bangladesh, but we can do what we have to do now is we have to save what we can We're we're in a in a in a place where we just don't have time So I really hope that you will consider Every option you can to move this ordinance forward I also heard a lot of people talking about the incentives, but I want to remember remind you those incentives are only Only for people who lost their homes in the fire and our rebuilding They're not for new construction, and I don't know if that 500 people weakness would be fire people Thank you. Thank you very sure unfollowed by tom amato Good evening. My name is gregory farron About 20 minutes ago. I was going to leave because I saw on the agenda that you'd finished what I thought was the last item on the agenda Um, this is the longest discussion. I've ever heard of a calendar and of your summer, and I'm glad I stayed Because I learned an awful lot but it is sort of an illustration of um, maybe the weakness of Openness in government because I understand deeply the need for the staff and you to Scramble to be able to come up with deadlines to meet deadlines. I'm very much in support of Adopting building codes all the content you just talked about I'm pretty much in support of and the calendar But I'm pointing out that I could have been out the door because I had no idea you were going to talk about this in this detail Many of the other items there's at least some kind of a staff report or some kind of a Clue as to what it is it's coming up so that I can think about whether I want to be here It's really hard to convince people to come out to the city council if you give them absolutely no clue as to what it is You're going to talk about so I'm just asking in the future if you take the other Meetings or additional meetings list and you talk about it as extensively as you're doing today Take a little bit of time to try to let people know I know sometimes that's hard because you're running up against Oh my god. We've got to do something right now. I know what that's about on that topic one other comment on the topic of How people crystal ball whether or not the building permits are going to you know be pulled at this date or this date or this date You know we all guess And we take our our you know Impact based on lots of things the cost of houses is going to drop Anybody who's trying to do Julie if you're trying to figure out to buy a house and you realize that all of a sudden You're going to pay a whole lot more after you buy the house. Maybe you're going to negotiate a little bit more with the seller To bring the price down because it's going to cost you more We all do that we all understand it, but we only do it when we hear conversations like this We only understand and react when we get information from our government officials And that's why conversations like this are valuable Thank you. Tom Amato followed by Wayne Yabegishi Thank you. I'm Tom Amato chair of the Oakland Democratic club I'd like to encourage the council to move forward with as much speed as possible with your electric ordinance and You know it strikes me that this needs a certain amount of study, but it's not as big as some of the other challenges that the city faces it's not a huge cost to the Person who's going to be buying the house, particularly if you do it before The house is built, right? So I think it's important to try to move this forward as quickly as possible Um, and I recognize that the city has a lot of big challenges in front of it. Um, and um In some ways this reminds me of another situation where there's a big challenge It's probably on everybody's mind what it reminds me of the golden state warriors So just like the golden state warriors They face a big challenge. You face a big challenge Just like the golden state warriors You have a very good city manager who's very good at planning meticulous thinking Particularly with some of the big challenges you have them coming up just like steve kerr Just a lot of parallels there. Um, it also strikes me that just like the golden state warriors You know You have kevin diran who was in oklahoma had a good career came over to golden state helping them win championships We have a mayor here who was a you know, great law enforcement officer comes over to city council to help move that forward Just a lot of parallels But it does strike me that with the golden state warriors every now and then You have a ball that like ricochets up And uh demont green grabs the rebound just like chris ride your suggestion a couple of meetings ago And there's an opportunity to throw the ball down the court and score a quick basket But if you wait and the coach calls time out And you over study it then it gets much more complicated and you lose your opportunity So I would encourage you to move this forward. I don't think it's this complicated issue is being made out Right tonight. I think there's an opportunity to score something good for the community And I would encourage you to move forward with it. And um, I hope you like who I compared you to thank you Wayne Yamagishi followed by Abigail zoger My goodness, I I don't know Tom. I I just saw as you were speaking that you Brought smiles and nods to our council You know panel here and I I'm it's really good that I'm able to follow you at least there Um, you you struck all of our attention here. My name is Wayne Yamagishi and I'm a citizen of santa rosa and um My topic is the all electric ready ordinance and I am I think that it's already been stated many times that How we many of us feel about that and I look forward to Seeing this ordinance advance on the agenda as soon and as quickly as possible. Thank you Thank you. Abigail zoger I was gonna say it just came in I'm sorry. I thought I was speaking when it became the agenda item I'm abigail zoger, and I'm uh president santa rosa. I teach at the jc and I'm also a member 350 sonoma.org And I have brought with me and if someone would grab my backpack where I have them Uh, uh, postcards from students, uh, high school and jc and some State students who participated in a climate action night um Explaining to the students why the city council does not want to move forward with this ordinance In a timely manner is very hard because it feels like a very small action to take on a very big problem and I think the thing that I would like people to think about is that All of the construction in california rightly happens in the summer because the weather is good and so Or it may be into the fall This all electric ready ordinance does not tell anybody what they need to do except for put in Wiring I know that the staff is worried about the time they're going to need to review this But we're literally talking about the smallest change you could make to a house to make it Climate ready for the future so you could plug in Electric appliances instead of having to hire an electrician to rewire it to do the electrical work for an electric appliance in the future It is a very small change to look forward to a larger future and I Urged the city council to be penny Not to be what is the word i'm looking for penny wise pound future We're going to save this little amount of time now And then people are going to have all gas and like I have gas for my stove and I want to put an electric stove And it's going to cost me a lot more money. It's a bigger investment and a bigger change so This is step by step if we really care about climate change and we really want to make a difference We have to actually make a difference and this is the smallest difference We can make right now and capture all the construction That's going to happen this summer and in the fall Before if we wait till january you've lost a year's worth of construction And all those homeowners would be very grateful to you in the future They'll have your names on their little list of thank yous when they go to put in plug in their electric stove And my my bag with the list of postcards is over there. I'll go grab it in just a moment So thank you for your time and thank you for your hard work. And I hope that you can see what's that forward to um Putting this in to the agenda so that we as a city can be taking steps And these are the whole list of people that would like to support this as well And I don't know where you would like these um We can give them to you to read at your leisure. Thank you very much. Thank you. Kevin Conway Do you want to speak on this item versus 14 and then he'll be followed by sonny gall breath Good evening mayor and council members kevin conway with friends of the climate action plan As a regular voter and a concerned citizen and I have to admit a little little angry citizen I want to talk tonight about process and what I think has been a pretty clear diversion From the proper process On november 10th of last year will schmidt wrote an article in the pd which said quote The city council late last month directed staff members to research and draft An all-electric ready ordinance that would require new construction to be wired So homes could do without natural gas service We at full cap remember that motion well in the amendment by uh council member tibbetz And we left that meeting elated The staff started on that process they met with stakeholders Uh, we know this because we met with the the staff They met with sonoma clean power and they met with uh the regional climate protection authority and then progress on the motion stalled And the reason given was they wanted to research other options This research was not asked for in the motion So my comment about process is that what should have happened is that the staff should have continued its due diligence Drafted the ordinance presented it to the council perhaps with a recommendation that it not be adopted Until further research Could be done on other options I think isn't that what should have happened with this motion? It was made in second that had that happened full cap and other people would have uh talked about the this uh Change and uh supported the ordinance It would have been clear that we would have made the point you don't have to do One without doing the others you could do anything you wanted after passing an electric reach code that dealt with Any other relevant topic whether it's a reach code for all electric or Looking at the building codes and adopting the those codes and the fire code updates Another concern about process is mentioned already tonight is that this discussion Scheduled as 20.1 about the work calendar couldn't be made known to anybody Who wanted to speak on the work calendar by reading tonight's agenda? They would have no idea that it was being discussed and perhaps if it were Listed on the agenda more people would be here tonight to talk about it So my request is that the council put the all electric ready Ordinance uh on the agenda immediately so that this lapse of process can be remedied And the essence of the original motion can finally be accomplished. Thank you. Thank you seni galbraith Hello, i'm from 350 sonoma, and i'm just coming to speak in support of moving the all electric ready ordinance vote up To an earlier meeting as just to echo what abigail said time is of the essence for building in california in the summer I just came from lobbying meetings with maguire woods and levine's offices where i went with High school students We were representing bills that were climate related That they presented at climate action night in san aroza on april 24th, and thank you councilmember fleming for being there on our Panel that was wonderful, and i just want to represent that i work with many many young people from many schools Today we had analy rose lind university prep In my school orchard view at that meeting as well as the junior college represented and They're passionate about climate issues, and this is a way that we can address this locally in something that can happen At the council level so i urge you to do your part the young people are watching And they're knowledgeable and educated and their voters all of the students that i Went to these meetings with today are pre-registered to vote and we'll be voting in the next election So so and they know about the all electric Push and the all electric ready ordinance so they will be watching and they're san aroza voters. Thank you Thank you those all the cards we have so as i mentioned earlier, let's break this down We heard four different topics of priority and we'll just go in the order So the first one was the open government task force What i heard from the city managers that there'll be a subcommittee meeting on july 18th A public Will be invited to meet on September 5th and then be coming back to the city council on october 22nd. Is that the correct timeline? Yes So with that i entertain a motion or are there any other comments about the open government task force timeline is presented mr. Vice mayor Thank you mr Mayor and i did have a chance to talk with the city manager about it We have been trying to finalize the draft to make it public To folks after our last meeting which was at this point to think about a month and a half ago And that does provide us an opportunity to do the proper community outreach and in particular Gives me an opportunity to circle back with the original folks who were on the open government task force report And re-engage them on what we hope is the final product There's so much going on in the city that I think that this one is really important But I understand the timeline from staff and and that would work fine Any other questions or comments Would anyone like to make a motion all all second vice mayor roger's motion So let's just go ahead and make a formal vote. So I'm hearing the motion was accepting the timeline is outlined by the city manager We have a motion a second you votes, please for open government Yes for the open government And that passes unanimously. Thank you. And then for the non-discrimination ordinance I heard the city manager said he could move that up The timeline to august 13th And it would move the bennett valley senior center discussion back to september 24th. Were those dates accurate? Correct any questions comments miss combs. I would move that we accept the the swap with the non-discrimination ordinance coming to the 13th and with the bennett valley moving back To the 24th based on staff recommendation second Emotion a second and your votes, please And that passes unanimously And $15 minimum wage currently it's set for july 16th And If the only other date with noticing could be move it up to june 25th, but that would impact City attorney work with transportation public work grants Which have to be completed this year and also impact the commercial linkage fee work that is currently underway Is that correct that is correct Questions or comments? I'd entertain a motion with that suggested timeline. I'll move that we leave it at digital i-16th date We have a motion a second to keep that timeline current your votes, please And then also passing unanimously So now the all electric ready ordinance is currently scheduled for october 29th Questions comments or motion regarding that Mr. Davis question so realistically director geon how soon could we move that up? May I supplement that question with is august 6th or august 13th doable? So again the the goal would be to align that with the building code adoption process So the october is the timeline we would want to fit if we moved it up since she would be its own process and probably Again through the public hearings public meetings getting input bringing that back writing the ordinance and getting it to you would be a good July or august time frame And and I would just take into consideration your colleagues have already excused themselves from a variety of meetings and so um I just would point that out there if if the desire is to move it up to august 27th We would then need to there would be a corresponding Some of the corresponding work that would need to be done because there's no way we're getting through everything on august 27th But i'm also concerned about full participation Especially if it's going to move ahead of the building codes And so I would just call that out is i'd want to ensure that there was full participation on that item So on august 6th and on august 13th, we do have one council member absent each of those dates It would be useful to hear from that council member if that's a problem for them And again, there will be some impacts to the overall work.  Toots. So I will make a motion uh to move it up to You know Preferably, I'll just put august 6th in the motion pending discourse between whoever's going to be absent at that time But what I am hearing to and I want to be sensitive to you Director geon because I know that you're inundated and when we were going through that goals process It was abundantly clear that you were taken on a lot with general plan specific area plan And now we've got building code happening in in your division under, um, mr. Oswald Also the associated impacts on your office too. So what I would recommend and Maybe the council wants to take this as a two-parter But we we do bump this up because a lot of those permits actually Applications do happen in the fall and winter in anticipation of summer build times Uh, so moving that forward but taking, um, you know, I was going to throw out $100,000 for consultant support You can't you can't get into money discussions tonight. Nope. Okay. Well Uh, well, I'll stick with august 6 and people can That's out there I will second that uh, if you would accept a friendly amendment that it be either august 6 or august 13th as Staff and other council members. Sure. That's fine. I just think it is probably the choice of two dates the 6th or the 13th Okay, we've got a motion to second comments mr. Vice mayor. Well, I've got a couple questions. So Understanding that you were trying to do this in a parallel path with the other building code updates Is this if uh, mr. Tibbets says motion passed does that mean that that ordinance would go into effect? Is it 30 days or 60 days after or would it still not actually kick in until January 1 when the other ordinances or the other building code updates go into effect? More than likely it would kick in January 1st There might be options to have that reading depending on where we are in the process if we can move that ahead But uh, typically it would follow the same path and again The reason for doing that was to make sure that we had an opportunity during the subcommittee meeting to talk about these other efforts To make sure that that's the path we want to go versus a reach code or some other code But this this would basically send us down the path of an electric ready versus Those other elements it could happen within 30 days though Right, that's right It's certainly my intention that comes if I'd ask just wait for him to finish his questions that we can come back to you Go ahead mr. Rogers. Can you explain the distinction? between Why it might not happen until January 1st versus other ordinances that happen sooner Again, just uh Just because the body of work typically we would have everything that has to do with that go along together with the public hearings And the public meetings so we can have that conversation in totality understanding the The desire we could potentially move that sooner I would need to look look at the calendar and we would just take that separately But the public process we need the intent was to use the same public process To vet it get feedback and develop that ordinance Yeah, and that's that's a little bit where I'm I'm torn on this is because I have been a big supporter I do want to see the all-energy electric go through But then we're also talking about the open government task force which does lay out A path for community engagement and in development even though this is a no-brainer for most of us There still needs to be an opportunity for the public to be involved in this discussion If we're able to do that through august that's a different that's a different conversation Um, but if it's going to if we're not going to be able to actually do a full-fledged community input process on it I might have a little bit of problem with that Let's go Ms. Gomes if you have questions It was clear to me when the motion was made in november and again now um that the The conversation was to speed the implementation so that it took effect Before people were pulling permits. It's the two to five hundred dollar two to five hundred people pulling permits the two to five hundred houses that Plus whatever other properties are moving forward That my concern is so i'm surprised To hear that even if we voted on an ordinance Uh in say august That we would not be putting an implementation date of 30 days after that ordinance. I'm very surprised at that Again, like I said, we we we could look at that I think that was a valid question It's something that we could look at the intention was to follow the same path But if we go through the public process, it's ready to go We can implement that sooner if that's what the council would like to decide So the question is whether we essentially duplicate some public processes. Is that Again, it's right duplicate public process and take it on its own path. It's it's a staffing resource issue at this point And again, I did hear the comments regarding this coming up in november. I do recognize that it's on our plate It was at that point not a tier one goal Unfortunately, it fought with competed with downtown policies and other things that we had and from the tier one So we were working trying to move all these forward But those did take priority on the downtown policies and homeless policies that we're working on Thank you Mr. Sawyer Thank you, mayor. Mr. Guy, and how much time would it if you if this became a voluntary for the time being How much time would it take to create a voluntary program to well educate? applicants coming in for permits as to the positive And Perhaps even lucrative Potentials in in making a decision To voluntarily make their homes all electric ready And I think that that's in place now even a step further to go all electric net zero with the snow Snowmobile clean powers program. I know I've been personally At some of the meetings where we've sat down with master plan builders to try to convince them to build a couple models That were all electric all electric ready So they're looking at it But what we do need is the public and the members of the public to step on and say that's what I want And we need individuals understanding that that's a demand for that type of product Because right now there are we do get feedback and I think to your point about the public process We do get feedback of people that don't want this and are pushing back That's how we need to put all that on the table To make sure that one there's resources for it and two this is why we're doing that and how we're moving forward with that Open dialogue. So I think the program is there. I think we we're going to continue to push And educate people we're going to continue to get the word out I've asked friends of the climb action plan to help me get the word out in terms of this program that's available We want to get as many people involved in this as possible until we get that some some ordinance in place So the ones that you would capture would be the ones that are just adamantly against Have not having the choice to put in gas Or though actually they could put in gas But they but there would not be willing necessarily to spend the extra Relatively small number of dollars to create their house make their house all electric ready That's correct. Yeah, and I think there there's a difference of opinion on the dollar number And that's something else we have to to suss out is I've heard a number of different numbers out there And so I need to make sure that we're we're presenting the information to the council that has The input from a variety of different viewpoints so we can make that decision on what that true impact is Thank you That's fine Yeah, thank you So what I'm having a difficult time ascertaining really clearly here is If we move it up versus don't move it up What is the difference in time that we're really looking at? And I understand this is a guesstimate How many weeks or months difference are we talking about? Let's say at this point we're talking about two to three months Two to three months and do you anticipate that the the california reach codes will meet or exceed what the work That our staff would do on a climate protection policy level would be On a so what I'm trying to get out here is is I think that an electric ready ordinance is Frankly a half step in that we shouldn't be building any infrastructure for greenhouse gases to be transported into any new homes I'm wondering if You see in the in the codes that are coming down at the state level Things that are more ambitious than what are all electric ordinance Supporters are asking for Yes, not necessarily in the building code I think building code is going to make some big advancements in the energy But what's going to really make a big difference is if the city decides to move towards a reach code And that's something that other cities are looking at moving towards regionally. We wouldn't be alone We'd be going together as a big group There's a lot of work being put into going moving to a reach code Which is far beyond an old electric ready and so that's the conversation We want to have with the subcommittee to explain those efforts where they are and how they can potentially Tie in to our efforts So to follow on to that what i'm wondering here is by directing staff to divert resources to an all electric ready ordinance At this point would it divert resources away from a more ambitious? Yes Be very clear with our public That would be what that would look like Yeah, so essentially what we would be doing is Diverting and focusing on all electric ready ordinance holding those meetings public meetings on that concept And not having a conversation about what a reach code is and it would be a very difficult conversation To have both those going in different time frames And so one of the things we want to try to do is be open and transparent to our The community that's going to be buying these homes the community's being building these homes And what that means financially But the the impact would be that we it would divert us from looking at those reach codes in a more Thoughtful way and getting that by the end of the year So can you be very specific about what it is that you think the benefit of the reach code of spending staff resources Is going toward that instead of moving this up and on the calendar So one of the things that the reach code is looking at is an all electric code So which would mean that that's that's what we'd be building in in san rosa. There are there are examples of A slightly modified version of that which is an all electric preferred Model that's somewhere between a ready and an all electric It's this middle ground And so we we're looking at all those right now and trying to understand what one might work best And then having that conversation with the subcommittee getting direction from the subcommittee on where to put our efforts And then go for it and try to bring that to the councils as quickly as possible So just to be One last clarification if we were to move up the date Would that jeopardize our adoption of these more aggressive? And environmentally friendly policies going forward on this other track. Yes, you have a sense of by how much They wouldn't be in time for the the building code. I I don't think we would follow the same track So it would have to be its own track potentially next year And about how many houses in that period of time? I know I'm asking you to make guesses on things that are uncomfortable, but About how many homes because you said between two and five hundred homes If we don't move up the date on the all electric ready ordinance about how many homes Would we miss capturing if we were to do it? What's the opportunity cost here? if we Ideally, um, we'd be looking at if I understand your question correctly. How many would we miss if we Right, so we're talking about finite resources of staff, right? And you're saying that if we spend staff time on all electric ready ordinance We won't be able to be as nimble with the the reach code and the the state code's coming down So what i'm asking is what would the loss on that side be if we were to divert resources to the all electric side? That's a good question. Um, I don't know. I think I think would be If we didn't have an all electric ready ordinance and we didn't follow the path if I'm understanding your question correctly by the end of the year Um, there would be a number of homes lost next year We have a big push obviously downtown and a number of housing projects We have over 3,400 units that have been entitled in this city about 1,300 of them are Probably going to be moving in the next 18 months So I guess what i'm asking you to do is something that's not really fair Is to kind of tell me which which of these two paths has the potential to have the biggest impact by use of staff time on our Not destroying our precious environment. Yeah, I think so from that standpoint, I think it's again I think the reach code would have the bigger impact because that's a measurable Policy that could be put in place that would deliver a result that we could measure against our climate action plan and greenhouse gas reduction An all electric ready policy can't be measured essentially it's setting people up so they could change But it's not something that we can have a true measurement in terms of our climate action and greenhouse gas reduction goals So that's I think that's something that we're trying to figure out how we can use our climate action plan and measure Have a measurable plan to see measurable results along with transportation and other sectors that are also Big players in this. It's not just just housing Thank you So one of the Points that I think you are making that surprises me Is that you view that there would be an unintended consequence? That if we adopt the all electric ready early That we could not adopt Whatever the state reach codes, etc are For january 1st. I find that Very unlikely in puzzling since we already have a mechanism that we're going to be doing all the other building codes That are coming down with that those would be bundled right into those that they would come through the same way the other ones do I am appalled to hear the suggestion that we aren't Moving ahead Can I clarify my statement? I would really I hope you do okay, because I'm I'm I'm furious right now. I'm going to explain why I'm furious because the first round And my colleagues some of my colleagues were not present for some of the earlier rounds of this The first round was not to have gas construction In fountain grove because it doesn't make sense to put gas in a high fire hazard area And we had that conversation And we were talked out of it as a council And then we had a conversation about going all electric early And we were talked out of it as a council. So by the time when ovember came around We were talking can we at least get all electric ready going? So now i'm hearing oh if you do this it's going to hurt doing better When i've been trying to do better council members here some of us have been trying to do better members of the public have been coming here Trying to do better for more than a year And now you're saying well we can't do this little step because it's going to threaten better When you didn't help us do better In the months prior to the november vote to do this little piece So i'm i it's like i'm I appreciate I appreciate We have to start where we are now and not look at the back and not feel the frustration that i'm feeling but this concept that Suddenly to do something good for our community two months three months and then in jen and You're going to have to help me with why you're saying what you're saying now And you didn't help me a year ago With the comments that we needed to go forward with on going No gas in this area period Because these two conversations are not lining up for me And i don't want to hear from you mr. McGlynn. I want to hear from this gentleman All right, you're getting ready to talk to me and i'll settle down in a minute But this gentleman needs to tell me how come so he No Suddenly we If you could ask staff staff will respond i have asked a specific staff member because the specific staff member is presenting to me First that if we do this it's not going to be an effect until january 1st Then well if we do this then it will influence what would come forward on january 1st After having told us in the past With after not really helping in the past No gas and all electrics through the last year And i appreciate that it is difficult for the council to have passion sitting up here, but This is appalling So we're trying to move something from october into august We have the opportunity in the future to talk about the budget to make it easier to happen But this conversation been going on for more than a year So what i'll start by saying is right after the fires It was a very difficult time to have these conversations and i agree. It was it was difficult We all struggled through it on what requirements we were going to have to get people back into their homes That was difficult What we did in the meantime to try to provide help is again work with solar clean power rcp To find money and to work with trying to bring people To get to the all electric which was far beyond Electric ready. It was actually to build an electric home net zero And so that was clean power sat there and and i hear you If you could please not interrupt staffing trying to answer your question. Thank you mayor Sonoma clean power sat at that table when i asked them if we implemented this would it hurt their program And jeff syver sat there and said no it will help our program That's correct. Yeah, i'm not i'm not dictating that but what i'm saying is we put that in place We wanted to move forward the other policies we had which were tier one goals were policies downtown paul So we we've been spending the past few months or past year working on downtown policies to bring infill development Reduce car triples car trips reduce greenhouse gases which is a key part of our climate action plan So that was the past year now that this is a tier one priority We've refocused put the subcommittee into place looking at the best way we can try to achieve these reductions as quick as we possibly can So there was no intention to try to delay this what we're trying to do is manage the immediate after After fact of the fire and the tough decisions we had to make in rebuilding The staff priorities and where we spend our resources to get these policies in place And then where we are right now, which is how do we move forward and move forward with a policy That's going to be best for our community in a way that's transparent and open that we can have this conversation So i i do apologize for the confusion and if there's anything i said that what you felt was not correct I will try to explain that more and if you would clarify why we wouldn't be able to do this policy in 30 days And completely do the full-reach program january 1st because that is completely not clear to me okay, so the Policy one couldn't be done in 30 days because it's probably going to take about 30 days of public meetings input Draft in an ordinance and it takes a month to get on the council calendar So we're looking at a three-month process and then once that's in place 30 days that can go into effect That that could happen. So I think when I said january that was just the the overall time to the building code adoption We could follow that process and I think that would work with the calendar and through the through the legal process I'm okay with that Um, what i'm not saying is that the standard building codes that are part of the state building code energy? Energy changes those will get adopted those are going to move forward What we're we're looking at is beyond that so regionally working with bay rent and others How can we as a region go beyond what the state is saying and do a reach code? That there has to be calculations financial analysis of that that's being done I think it's actually already completed to show that we have that back in a resource to go even beyond What the state is asking for and that's what we're trying to bring forward on June 11th to the subcommittee to explain here's what they found here's what we could do And do we want it as a city to go down that path and look at a reach code So explain for me if the research is being done, it's regional research and most of it's already been completed Why would we not be able to implement it january 1st? That's what i'm saying. We could potentially do that but i but i'm but i'm saying to do both I thought i heard you respond to my colleague that you couldn't do that so please I will settle down tremendously if you backtrack on that No, i'm not going to backtrack in what i said is if i divert resources to focus on all extroverted policy over the next three months That hurts my ability to Work through the all the reach code because that does take staff effort There's public meetings required by the state. We have to go through a public process on that It's it's a body of work that we have to spend time and resource on Along with all the other building code upgrades So if i'm diverting resources to just to all extroverted policy I'm stretched pretty thin at that point And I have to figure out where to put that resource and how to move this forward so And this and just to add it is not just this department's burden to shoulder it requires legal it requires Out of community engagement to get to the earlier point So again, if it was one department's burden to shoulder or a couple individuals we could do some switches But it requires it requires the whole organization to tax to And again, I think what you heard was we'll tax to it What we may not be able to do is get through all of the other conversations required with the code that I cannot Articulate and that's the tough thing staff is having a hard time doing is what we wouldn't get to The counter just gets shorter the requirements the posting it is uncertain and I know that that's challenging It is uncertain what we would not be able to get to and the other things that we're looking at That have to come together and get in an analysis So I appreciate this comments. I'm the only one who hasn't made a comment So I'm going to close up comments here might a couple comments on this As you mentioned we haven't one of our goals was establishing the subcommittee. We haven't even had our first meeting So I'm with like more information so we can actually give more direction come back to this council about how we are prioritizing it And I know this is the first year that we've done this where we've done actually calendars on all our tier one goals So I appreciate the effort and the challenge of doing all this Um, but I'm not supportive of moving it up. Yes, I wish we had an all electric ready ordinance But that's not the only thing that the city of santa rosa is working on right now And I'm I'm very sensitive to going to that well one more time Let's ask ped to change your priorities because I know what it's like being a staff person We're we're going 100 miles an hour in this direction and now let's send let's change and this Staff has been very adapted to that and I'm very appreciative of it So with that we have a motion and a second that would move the priority from the all electric ready ordinance from October 29th to either october 6 I mean august 6 or august 13th your votes, please And that fails three. Yes four nos Is there any other motion about maintaining the current date? I would make a motion then that we keep the current timeline for the all electric ready ordinance as offered by staff of october 29th We have a motion a second your votes, please And that passes with six eyes and one no Thank you staff. Okay, we'll go back to item 14 discussion on comments non-agent items dwayne duwit followed by christine Who exes? Thank you, sir. My name is dwayne duwit. I'm from rosland within santa rosa Just a quarter actually perhaps maybe a half a mile to the west Lies an excellent spot for increased economic development and increased housing for the city of santa rosa It's already in the city of santa rosa prior to the annexation It's roberts avenue and on roberts avenue The sonoma county community development commission has been able to get funding through the uscpa To do analysis of what are called brownfields Properties that have had some toxics or some problems And they've done Phase one environmental assessments to move forward on positive stuff This year the united states environmental protection agencies brownfields conference is in los angeles in december You folks could work with the county in a collaborative manner To show how this area could become A real driver for economic development along the sabaspa road commercial corridor and right next to the smart rail line It's an excellent opportunity to put housing in And mix uses nearby Hopefully some of you have been down to berkeley and you've seen near aquatic park where the berkeley amtrak station is They've put multi-story apartment buildings Right near the tracks. They've been soundproofed People snap those housing units up as quick as they could It's desirable to live close to a train station So you have the downtown railroad square spot You've got some Possible housing coming in It's been approved. It's just taking a longer time I really believe that you folks Working with staff should reach into this idea of collaborating with the county to seek out more funding from the federal government on brownfields community wide area assessments and planning And get something new going instead of the same old stuff A lot of times people from other parts of the city of santa rosa Feel you just have a slavish devotion to parking in downtown and that's all you can think about It actually needs to broaden. It's a big city now Actually, if you count the people who might not have been countered in the last census We're probably up around 190,000 people within the santa rosa city limits This is the time for you folks to get more Multifamily Mixed-use housing is close to that train station as possible Robert's avenue is the place to go It won't get started unless you folks appoint somebody Subcommittee staff member somebody to look at brownfields and say hey, that's how we can revive roseland. Thank you for your time Thank you. Do I'm christine followed by mike turgeon Hello And thank you for this time I would like to say that um, well, first of all, I'm a member of 350 sinoma and We were really hoping we could move the agenda up on the all electric ready ordinance So i'm very disappointed to hear that it hasn't and it's Probably not But I really did appreciate hearing the discussion about it today and being here to hear all of that and to hear staff and and all of your worked with that and just how What a difficult struggle that is I appreciate the patience that you've had And and also the passion both sides of it. I really do It's not going to be easy moving into the future and there's just one thing I'd like to say Um Regarding that and regarding the the things that are happening in our county in in in uh In all of our country in the midwest right now with floods and everything That dealing with climate the climate crises coming up will not be business as usual Okay, and I have a lot of respect for business as usual because that's how things Run smoothly and people talk and have reasonable conversations. So that's great And I have a lot of respect for that but We there are some things that are going to have to be moved up and moved up very fast And how you will all find ways to do that? I don't I don't have all those answers But it will not always be business as usual And so that's that's just my comment And my projection for the future and how you will be dealing with things as this climate crisis Moves forward upon us. So thank you very much for the opportunity Thank you. Mike turgeon followed by Anita lafellette Thank you mayor. Thank you council. I wanted to say how much I appreciated this conversation today Uh, also how much as friends of the climate action plan we appreciate working with the staff meeting with them and Open exchange of ideas A point about the all-electric reach code, which we've studied probably more deeply than the staff has at this point Is that there is a vocal and serious opposition from the gas companies toward an all-electric reach code and the Concept that January 1st and all electric reach code might just sail through is speculative at best But also I'd like to say thank you mayor for appointing a subcommittee on climate It was first introduced by friends of the climate action plan number of months ago And and I'd like to also just address the fact that When the fires happened as as mr. Gowan had mentioned There was uh, it was very disturbing very difficult time this first city Council meeting right after the fires The only organized folks in the room that I could see were the builders and developers and god bless them That they were able to able to get our People our fire victims back into their homes and get on the road right away Um but I'd say that We are learning how to talk about and have these difficult conversations and um as uh christine just said We have been in a crisis mode since those fires, but we're not acting like it. We're acting like it's Fine to just be methodical, which I appreciate as she said And so I I think today's conversation was terrific because we thrashed it out and It's going to be a lot more difficult in the future And so I highly appreciate the ability to have this type of format and the Ability to Look at the tier one priorities. We haven't yet had that conversation about yes They're all very important, but which one will swamp all others eventually Um could be anyone my guess is it's going to probably be the climate crisis that's going to do that And we need to we need to seriously debate that maybe this is the first time this is the opportunity to Broach that subject, but overall I am so grateful that we have a council And a staff that is willing to get down in the ditches and really work it out So even though we lost today We don't take it personally. We just thank you so much for your deeply deep commitment to our city. Thank you Thank you. I need a lot for that Need to has left the house Steve Bertelbaum Steve's gone Alma Silverman Alima, I'm sorry Hi, I'm Alima Silverman. I'm an architect here in Santa Rosa and a member of friends of the climate action plan and also a member of the rebuild green coalition Which is a group of architects and engineers and others That have been for since the fires helping People rebuilding to rebuild in a greener way which includes all electric And we've worked with Sonoma clean power and other people in the community to encourage people to go all electric so I I'm sorry that I'm talking after you've already discussed this That wasn't my intention But because I believe that we do need this all electric ordinance sooner rather than later It was moved to a tier one priority I wasn't told that it was going to be an agenda item tonight. So that's why I'm speaking now as if it's a non agenda item but The 200 the 500 Permits that we're going to lose to me is very significant and I don't know maybe you can discuss this again some other time and you're in the future But uh, it's a loss for our whole community and I'm sorry about that I do respect because I work with both mr. Gowan and mr. Oswald. I respect their opinions about this, but again, I don't Feel that they've taken into consideration the urgency of This that I feel and many people in our community feel so I'm just reiterating that The evergreen power Uh Situation which if the city decides to do that, I think that's very good as well But I still would encourage You know, I wish that you had moved this up and I encourage stronger action on climate Plans because we all need it. Thank you. Thank you elizabeth nilan followed by alan thomas Yeah, hi there Yeah, my one of my favorite expressions lately is I have one foot in canada at all times Yeah, because I was born three days after my parents moved to this country and When I was 15 they murdered john kennedy and in the next less than five years They murdered malcomax dr. King and robert kennedy now those murders have never been claimed What went on? I wonder But there were critical murders I would have to say and it was the rise of corporate rule corporate personhood Which is which is completely creepy and deeply sleazy corporate rule And they lie and distract people constantly Of course, I'm not vulnerable to that because I gave up television when I was 18 My only brother moved to canada Where he was born he has dual citizenship after he served in the american air force in vietnam Which was a 20 year war that killed three over three million people And the pre pretext was that there was communism Well recently on berkeley radio, I heard about how the capitalists Who use colonialism? Slavery and wars to better themselves financially Um, I may have lost my train of thought there Anyway, let's see Uh, so we have established 900 united states military bases across the planet and these corporate tyrants All in the media and lie constantly and make people stupider. It's funny.  They're stealing from the future 12 seconds left What about There's no business like war business the best business we know Thank you. Thank you. Alan thomas followed by laura niche Uh, good evening, uh, merschwet halman city council, um, Alan thomas 306 boy street I'm here to follow up on my comments last week Um, I don't know how many of you saw the recent article on the press democrat um And I want to kind of go over some of the some of the things that were in the article some of the things I've heard this evening I've heard climate protection I've heard Transportation I've heard housing. I've heard all kinds of things that we need to do right now I hear building codes. I hear ordinances. I hear public input. I hear transparency Um, I hear basketball analogies. I hear songs and it's a little Confusing at best and I just bring it back to the reason that I'm here um Talking about code violations that have been going on from What your staff has told us 2005 to 2007 There were code violations associated with building permits There was a law judge that came in independent judge In 2017 2017 was two years ago 2005 was a lot longer ago So these are issues that have been going on for a long time So these are code issues that you've had one particular business operator that's been located at that particular side of maxill court since 1999 20 years ago So we're not talking 100 years ago. We're talking the last 20 years. So in the interim You guys have figured out that they've Come to some agreement that the building that were constructed in 2005 Um are okay with the building department meantime All of these issues for the last three years Regarding the noise complaints have not been looked at So i'm glad that the building department's all set and the fees have been paid or not paid But we're still interested in the actual impacts not whether or not the city gets paid Or if boating gets fined or their fines are waived or whatever. So again If you could Help us and you can't talk tonight because this is not an agenda item So you either need to ask to put it on the agenda and get this thing rolling again We're still waiting on code enforcement For no noise violations and whatever Judge ruling that have been made in the last two years They did not absolve the business from Noise complaints and noise ordinance. So with that, thank you I know you can't comment, but i'm just going to continue to continue to bring this up Thanks. Thank you Laura niche Hi, Laura niche. I'm happy to be a resident of santa rosa I'm the executive director of 350 bay area climate change group And on the steering committee of one of its local groups 350 sonoma And I really appreciate our hard-working city council and the staff and uh also Agree with councilmember combs That i'm a little bit perplexed about how we got from trying to move forward to november To hear where we're talking about starting a three-month process in august So from my practical point of view, it seems like We should just say we have missed the train on all electric ready and let's put all of our efforts Into going for the all electric ordinance the reach code That process is being backed up by community groups around the state And they're writing the ordinance language and they're doing the economic evaluations and those are pretty much ready to go So i'm terribly disappointed that we missed it, but we've missed the bulk of the permits for the rebuilders as well um The intention of that really was to protect them and future proof their homes and make it easier for them as we move forward Because we aren't going to get we're not going to meet our state goals Unless we ramp down the natural gas infrastructure. So thank you very much for all your hard work Thank you. Having no other items on the agenda meeting adjourned