Good morning Oh my gosh, and I'm here Today, yes, I wasn't planned to be here either.  That's right. We were very Well I'm not gonna run through everybody that's here, but Brian was here first. Hey Brian Brian always kind of hangs out with me before we get started Audrey's here. Uh, Mary Sleppy. See I am going through it. Stephanie's here. Hey, Lynette Jester Donna Gerber Um, Lisa Jervais. Hey, Lisa Uh John tiner my favorite Irishman this morning this morning, okay? Um Who else? Susan Anderson's here. Hillary Gatsby's here. Hello Wales. Yes Vernon Karen Stewart Florian Straub Christine Miller Mary Sleppy And we'll have more people wander in as we go and we always want to welcome the people who are watching this after the fact After we've made a mess of everything we tree for an hour or so So, yeah, welcome. I did okay. So the three of us. Are you a musician at all, sarah? Deep play piano. Yes, you do.  Okay, so all four of us a while bit What's that been a while but Yeah, we all have something in common and something interesting happened this week. Um, they announced that new DNA analysis analysis discovers mysteries about Beethoven. So Betsy and I were talking about this before Being a musician who has studied Music theory and I you know studied it at university level I know that you don't have to hear music to be able to compose music So I always I always kind of chuckle when I hear things about oh, wow Beethoven was was deaf And well, yeah, it's okay. He was deaf, but he was also an extremely accomplished Composer so yes, he could compose while he was deaf But the interesting thing about this is that our friends over at FTD DNA yarn and Paul Meyer worked on this to extract information from This gentleman's hair and other items So, um, one of the questions that Betsy had for me was how did they test his hair? Well before You couldn't test hair unless it had a follicle on it and that has changed There was a dr. Green or is a dr. Green who made revolutionary strides for testing regular hair Um without a follicle which has made big leaps and bounds and being able to identify criminals especially based on hairs left at crime scenes so, um Apparently Beethoven thought that his friends deserved to have a piece of him So he gifted eight locks or eight hair locks or eight Gifts of locks of hair. Whoo. How do you say that to eight friends? The gifts were well documented and this is according to FTDNA's Blog, I'm not going to throw the link up because it's really a long link But they he gifted all these people the the provenance or the chain of custody provenance is an artistic term meaning that a piece of art you can tell where It has gone through time and who it belonged to so there's letters and things to prove it or In police terms chain of custody. So they know who had these hair locks and Were able to prove based on that information That all of these hair locks are supposedly Beethoven's when they got down to it There were five of those locks of hair Gifts that were actually attributed to a fella who had the origins of um The Rhine River in present day north Rhine Westphalia, Germany. So supposedly that's uh, mr. Beethoven's hair. So there was other stuff that they used to try and identify him as well his Haplogroup or the terminal snip or the snip that is the current snip for the day for him If they have more people test that snip will probably change But right now he's ift 396 thousand Which was sworn about a thousand years ago. So if we have new testers who also match him who also very close matches That 1,000 years ago is going to jump up to More current times. So that's fun. They also found Five living descendants that they compared his DNA with And they were able to determine The other detent descendants in a better prototype And They were also determined able to determine his the terminal line his terminal line So there's all sorts of really interesting information in this blog over at FT DNA What I would do is just type in Beethoven What is this one called the new DNA analysis under covers mysteries around Beethoven? It also has links out to the study the actual study that was done That gives more specific information. So if you're really interested in digging into that you can check that out just just google uh Beethoven new DNA analysis under covers mysteries and you should be able to find that. So that's fun having the Musicians that we have all four of us the musicians We can do that. Let's see. I wouldn't do that. Not sure. Are we any of us actually related to Beethoven? You know, I didn't I haven't checked. I mean I could check But I don't I'm not going to do that because then I would like expose private stuff on my DNA stuff. So I don't want to do that live So I'll do that while everybody's looking. I I don't think so. I'm not an eye. I'm an uh r in 269 So We're I'm in a different completely different area. So are you rm 269 any of you? I am Okay, any of you eyes? Your dad an eye nobody, okay And yeah, that's yeah, so We got a question of the week There we go, which really goes right along with today's uh fun thing about Beethoven is What are your And I think anyone just puts this word in there just to to Goat me that she says what's your ethnicities or is estimates. It's not about ethnicity. It's about origins Origins, there's only one company who uses that word We won't mention which company it is but ethnicity is not the right word to use It's the origins. It's where your group of people were As your DNA mutated doesn't have anything to do with the amount of melanin in your skin. There you go whoo I'm off my soapbox So we've got lots of lots of great answers. There's 147 answers and I am not going to go through all of those But the very first one up tommy buck who's usually here in our chat Is throwing his up and he's showing two different ones ancestry and my heritage Showing that he's got 42.5 on one and 48 for the other and the the reason that happens is that Different people are in different databases And so if you test at my heritage, you're going to have a lot more of the European Mediterranean North Africa Middle Eastern type testing going on in that group. They're based in Israel If you test at living DNA, you're going to be really immersed in heavy English and Irish And Scottish information if you're in the us the majority of the us was settled by northwestern europeans so family tree dna Ancestry are just covered up with people who are from the americans um north america mainly some south america. There are a lot more South americans that are testing here lately but You have to you have to really test at all of the different groups My suggestion is Take all of your tests take all of your tests over to jed match then combine them into a super kit You have to have a tier one membership to be able to do that and then do your ethnicity estimates bogus name your origins estimates based on that super kit at jed match And that is going to give you the best idea of of of who you really are based on those dna results Because you could see there's there's um even tommy buck has Stuff in here that doesn't even show up on the other ones.   That's not boring That's not boring. It's not very good um hers is from my heritage from ancestry alexis nelson so If you if you go through all 147 of these answers And if you were to say that all 147 of these answers were a microcosm an equal Microcosm of wiki tree you would say wow. We're quite northwest european But robin lozier has some some fun stuff at she's there's meso american and andian There's a little middle eastern in there. We've got a little bit of everything on wiki tree but um It's it's fascinating lots of skin and avian and denmark and and people are saying There's a really fun answer down here. Let me get to it Uh, which I really think should be the answer of the week because not because of the answer But because of all the comments. Here we go And I don't know who wrote this, but i'm not going to pull it up Rollin genealogy.com ancestry heritage tests are a complete farce They ask in senegal linat. That's great They aren't a farce. It's interesting. It's it's what I call the leader hosin lasagna effect One of the dna testing companies has commercials that they run where a guy is dancing around in leader hosin And he thinks he's german and all of a sudden he takes an ancestry dna test And he finds out that he's actually italian But if you think about Italy and the germanic peoples there was so much overlap between those two And I guarantee you that in the northern alps of Italy, they're wearing leader hosin and they're still italian So you can't really base An identity on something like that. You have to really base your identity on who you are And what happened to your people as they got to where you were not, you know, you need to base it on the journey Not so much on what Somebody says so anyway, there we go. So I really like to say answer In my opinion, ethnicity reports are almost useless. My ethnicity is scandinavian uk ireland and africa Now scandinavian coming up with a lot of scandinavian and having uk and ireland Think about that think about the migration patterns who invaded The uk and ireland and scotland in a big way the scandinavians So having scandinavian and uk and ireland makes a lot of sense having leader hosin while you're eating lasagna Makes a lot of sense to me. So there you go. I'm off my my thing, but this is great Edward bishop there's a lots of great comments on this for entertainment purposes only and obviously it's entertained a lot of people because we have 20 million people and 25 million people and 20 million people in the top three databases So obviously those great commercials are making some headway So there's a lot of great stuff. I'm going to pick this as the best one Us can send me hate mail letter later It's not a complete farce. What it is is it's shifting sands Because every time a new piece of information is added to a database. It could change your results. So check your results often Check them often to see what's up.  I'm going to go and check And if my origins have changed and what was the other I was I'm also going to see if I haven't related to Beethoven I am okay over to Greg Okay, wow, uh, thanks for that max Okay, so the profiles of the week are and we're gonna go Which jamestown colonists are you most closely connected to let me just zoom in a bit on that we go My my my parents went to because my my family's from virginia And my dad always sends me newsletters about jamestown and all that. It's really a Wow, so please feel free to jump in here because um, as I said in the pre chat with the People, uh, my lovely close people. We are greg's people. Yeah, my people That this will be another episode of a canadian learning a new chapter of american history Um, because um When I first I think when someone mentioned that the topic this week was going to be the jamestown, uh, massacre I Miss heard it or I immediately thought that you meant the jonestown massacre, which is a totally different Totally different thing. Totally different thing. Um, I don't both of those are are very sad and tragic and stuff. So, um Very very very interesting. Uh, so this is a totally different thing that I was expecting Um, jamestown as I've learned as the first was the first permanent colony in north america um Founded in 1607 um So, uh, I actually I had to look up a few things. I checked out my connections. So that's one of the things um from this Uh, this uh first g2g post one of the things you can do is Look at the the jamestown colonists and you get the list of them all and then you can go to your featured connections and see And I didn't expect to be actually related to any of them, but look at there's a About 15 of them. I'm actually They're either direct ancestors or cousins of mine. So the closest one is actually uh, william baker And william baker and I are fourth cousins 12 times removed Um through my mum's side my uh, french canadian side and again like many Many americans that i'm actually related to They all go through this this, uh, connection right here where mighittable smith abigill. I was um taken in a raid and then raised by an indian village which was on the border of uh, what now Canada us and then became uh became a Married a frenchman and so and that's That's that's the how my french canadian Goes back to american ruse Quite often that's a pretty interesting story too. It is. Yeah, you should write a publish a paper on that I think lots of people have about that particular raid But that's interesting. Um, anyway, so let's move on to the very first one. Um, the feature profile is christopher newport Um born on the 29th of december 1561 in harch s6 england the son of another christopher newport And he is uh, he was a captain. Um He was a well and before that he was an english privateer So I had to look up, uh privateer just to make sure what a privateer So basically a privateer is just a legal pirate or a pirate who has been given sort of the Sort of the the writ to yeah, you can go ahead and be a pirate But you're gonna do it on behalf of the country of whatever country here And so basically they hired people who were pirates in times of war to attack the the opposite country. So, um He was a pirate for england against spit when and they were at war with spain and um So and that's so wow his career started. So I thought well, that's interesting So you can be a pirate and be sanctioned by the state to do so so interesting Then he hooked up with ser francis drake. Uh, the famous ser francis drake Um was his the master's mate on his ship um He became a captain in his own right 1592 to 95 Look of the golden dragon, which is a cool name for a ship Um, was it golden? What's that was his boat gold was his golden golden. I don't know. I guess He was a pretty successful privateer. So it could have been um I'd say that that's an aspirational name for Yeah, that's probably Good chances if that's the case um He took advantage of the trade on the barbary coast On another famous place. Um, the moderated dios was a spanish-portuguese price ship that he helped capture So a price ship is so when they capture a ship They call them price ships because those those are your prizes and usually the privateers have to split split the profits Like they get half the profits and then they have to share some of that um But anyways, he went on to help out with the establishment of jamestown um And so he was captain and he arrived at jamestown in april 1607 So he was one of the that he was one of the for the he brought the original colonists with them Uh, the susan constant was the name of the ship. I believe they're carrying 71 passengers um, so the ship at the Uh, I guess it was it must be in the wikipedia article that I read up on this Um, the journey went from december they left in december of 1606 and didn't arrive till april So that's a quite a long journey um I noticed in some of the other articles that talks about the journey only taking two two months or so so obviously there Someone found a shortcut or there are other ways of getting it. Um Anyways, this is a huge huge long um wiki Profile with lots of lots of information Detailed nice timeline here of the virginia company and the details of that and It was well done a little shrine right here of the for the ship set up It looked like a rugged fellow. So people maybe a trustworthy face. Yeah, I don't know Um, anyways, he died in 1617. So he actually died before the massacre occurred Um, and then The next profile is robert beheth lind Um, I'm not sure if there's another way of pronouncing that last name, but that's how it looks like to Be pronounced son of a richard. Heathland beheth lind Um, and he was born. We're not sure exactly when but he died before 1627 but the one interesting thing about him is that he Is one of only two people of the original settlers the original first settlers were known to have us descendants at least as of um Let's see. So this was So it looks like this this newspaper article was published in 1962 So I'm that Information may have been different makes you muted. So you're going to say something I was going to say that that's a long time ago and there have been lots of new information now available You know thinking about what was available in 1962. That's true. So it'd be interesting to see You know what the the true count is now Interesting Uh, so he's uh, he was born in the parish of saint and the leon saint I'd never heard of before um gentlemen youngest son of born of uh family of four sons I love this. So he's he's thus he stood a little chance of inheriting anything Sometimes the second son was trained in law like the first son would obviously inherit everything from the father Lands titles and whatnot the second son was trained in law The third son might be trained in the clergy or the army or navy But a fourth son must rely on us wits and find his own calling and training. So like good luck to you, buddy His father did invest in the virginia company. Um, so that's uh, probably how he got connected but he was only 15 years old when he Joined the ship that the christ for newport was the captain of the susan constant. So december 1606 left um Captain smith became his mentor and upon arrival the ships anchored in the broad river. So they arrived in chest peak bay on may third Or they finally yeah, I guess they They hit land in april, but it was on may 13th when they Settled on chest peak bay In demonstration of the oil and they named the river the james river and of course in jamestown And it looks like that for many settlers didn't have a really happy Welcome they died from hilarious starvation gavels execution Or by fit of rage by their fellow settlers That doesn't sound like a happy time Uh 1608 The arrival of the first supply captain ship in newport took a group of 20 men One of them robert behieflin and went to the village of powhatan for a visit And he was actually he accompanied this person robert behieflin Accompanied captain smith on a number of the of the trips and that is highlighted throughout the uh Throughout the profile here.  So he may have been one of the first to pass away Because that's just after they landed in jamestown um His father had been a had been an advisor to lady dorothy stafford who was a friend of the queen and mother of edward gap Stafford He was one of the founders and responsible. He was responsible. So the his claimed the fame. He named kate cod And martha's vineyard So now there's some conflicting information in the profile here So here it says that he named martha's vineyard after his daughter martha And you can see here that his firstborn was a daughter named martha But later on it suggests he may have named martha's vineyard after his mother-in-law Yeah, maybe or maybe his daughter was named after his mother-in-law. Yeah, maybe yeah Yeah, it's more likely he named it after his daughter His daughter was named by by his wife after her mother. So, you know, I suppose you could say both are true um Anyways, he was second in command in 59 and two with uh For christopher newport when they seized the vessel the vessel madre de dios that we mentioned earlier on earlier on um And then he arrived in arriving james sound 1607 on the godspeed.  It does not sound good No, um, so stay away from that if you are able to Isn't that isn't that dysentery? Um, that sounds that sounds right I didn't have time to Oh Thomas graves this guy here. Okay 16 degrees. Yeah, that's actually pretty close Uh, I wonder how let's just check that out relationship to me Nope, I meant connection to me didn't I? Yes, because he's not uh, he's not a relative. He's a connection Oh, it only goes through one So that means I would be directly related to william stone right Let's see if I click on william stone here and go to stone's relationship to me My great great my 11th great-grand nephew or I'm I'm a I'm william's 11th great-grand So So thomas's daughter married my 11th great-great-grand uncle Right and erin. Okay. Thanks, erin for the confirmation Bloody flux is dysentery. Okay thomas graves though, uh born april fools day 1580 um son of james grave and He was christened on march 22nd at saint botolph again another saint I don't know where they're coming up with these saints that i've never heard of before Has anyone else heard of a saint botolph before? No He was unmarried when he arrived in virginia in 1608 But he uh, no wife but he may have married in england Um, but it's in 1610. So he went back back and forth um But he was there. Let me think I think he was uh 50 acres of sign for each per Transported uh came they came after 1616. So his family arrived after 1616 Uh, apparently he contributed 25 pounds sterling to the Virginia Virginia company for expenses. That was nice of him And he's a qualifying ancestor of the jamestones jamestown society Um, he became so active in affairs and he was obviously educated in some social status Um, and then they referred to him as a captain, but there's no designation in the chapter of how we got this captainship um He was he was one who took 100 men with him into the wilds and formed a settlement called the smites hundred um And that was on the north shore of the james river And he became the command of that and uh He was living at the time of the jamestown muster. He was living at the eastern shore I I have a question for nancy. Well, she says she had a descendant born in jamestown. So wouldn't that mean That she their parents would also be her ancestors Yeah, you'd think so. I think that newspaper article was referring to maybe the very first 75 people Gotcha The original settlers like the very I think that's what that referred to Yeah, because there was a ship that got shipwrecked on bermuda and then came in a few years You know after they were able to get themselves over there Yeah Yeah um Then we have wait wait patron saint of boundaries traveling farmers for the last saint you asked about really Wow There we go.  Thank you Oh, that's great. Um, okay, so here we have an Ann burrows or bursa daughter of anthony burrows and elizabeth eden born about 1594 um Oh, there's some disproven disputed and competing theories about this person's parents. Okay, so we'll have to check that out So maybe not the daughter of anthony burrows and elizabeth eden We'll see. Um, but she has the Um, the distinction of being the first unmarried woman to arrive in the jamestown colony And the first english woman to be married in virginia her daughter's name virginia Was the first child born in virginia really rich So if we're playing the yes virginia, there is a virginia. Yes virginia. There is that's right Um, there we go. I wonder how common that virginia was as a girl's name prior to the colony Well, I think it's because of this was the time when oh wait a second. This is jamestown. No James the first was the son of no, not the son of elizabeth was was did not have children right so Is this the before or after the reign of elizabeth the first who was the virgin queen? That's why they named it virginia Yes, this would have been after right? I think so. Oh, we need our fact checker Where's james? Oh, yeah, because james was through Mary queen of scots right because he was originally yes james the first of scotland and then james the sixth of england Uh elizabeth won reign 1558 to 1603 Yeah, and then james is the dual scott english english scottish, right? Right, correct. Okay Okay, anyway, i'm taking us down to rabbit hole. Sorry. Uh, that's okay. I led you there. I I opened it up Anyways, there we go um so Very cool First one to be married first one to have a child. Um And there we go. Uh, so let's move on to the next alice uh, i'm all um Doesn't have a birth date for her born about 1601. They're guessing. Um And she married richard long um So she aged 19. She arrived in america and brought 1620 so again So now we're moving to some of the people who weren't there at the very beginning of the colony um, but a little bit later uh aboard the ship the london merchant And she was one of the the i love this she was one of the virtuous young women who were brought to the colonies as one of the maids of virginia um Or tobacco wise for the virginia virginia planters So this is and i'm glad chris has arrived in the chat chris fair yolo because basically this is the same sort of idea as the fidu hoa Yeah in cobalt where they sent young women over to become Become the the wives of uh men who are in the colony to boost the colony. I believe so um The rival her husband is unknown but likely predated the arrival of so he was probably already there Just waiting for one of the young maids of virginia to arrive Oh, what did you say? Lying in wait or or just waiting I don't know they don't have that detail here But I when I read that I thought ah fidu hoa not not a unique idea. Um been used many times in history apparently like the fidu hoa um okay, uh so Then it goes the profile goes through um How in the different censuses and land patents and whatnot uh So along with his wife, um So she she and her husband and their son did survive the attack the attack was in 22. I believe right um Is it uh, let me just check here. Yeah 16 22. Um So they survived they're in 16 23. So their report is among the living after the attack So there you go Then we have samuel matthews matthews jr And there's a lot of samuel matthews in this profile And I was getting a little confused about which samuel or they were talking about sometimes But that was me not the profile writer. So I don't want to cast dispersions there But uh, he was a son of samuel matthew senior obviously And francis grenville or grivel for me Uh disputed wife, okay There we have so that the sarah was actually a stepmother. Okay, so we have some questions about that Uh, he was assumed to be born around 1630 at matthew's manor later known as denby in warwick county now part of the newport Newport Newport news And he became um, he He was a colonist, but he also became and Designated as a qualifying ancestor of jamestown But eventually became the governor. He succeeded edward digs as governor of virginia in 1656 um So if he was actually born in 1630 or here it says 1629 and he became governor in 56. That's a very young governor Right. He's only basically 26 years old Um, so that's pretty impressive Um, but uh in 52 even earlier when he was only 22 he was elected to the house of burges Um, which gave him the honorary title of left-tenant colonel Um, and then left-tenant colonel samuel matthew's panted at 2000 acres of land in richmond county That's a lot of land a lot. That's a lot of land. Um Um And then descended to his grandson samuel another samuel, of course, they named him samuel Who made his will and then the grandson samuel had another grandson named guess what samuel But did you think of their y dna trail? I mean, oh man Oh, yeah, that's right Do we have any why descendants of this of any samuel matthew's in the chat? I wonder Leave us a note Anyways a very nice nice nice profile here with lots of details as well There we moving on to john smith or smith And captain john smith captain smon smith Born about the 2nd of january 1579 in willoughby linkinshire kingland son of george smith and alice rickard and I I don't see a dispute about his parents. So that's good. So I guess that's Solid we have a baptism record for him at st. helens church um So I guess that solidifies that but his family were poor tenants who lived in the land owned by peregrine berty the 13th baron willoughby the eris b But he was only about 13 years when his old when his parents died and In march 1596 he was 17 the note questions the data for the father's will So after his father died his mother remarried And the lord he lived on a peregrine birdie looked after the young smith Then he was knighted for his services to sigus moon bathory who was a prince of transylvania That's kind of wild He went to jamestown in 1607 on the susan constant. So the same ship that we talked about there at the very beginning And played an important part in the establishment He was a leader of the virginia colony based at jamestown led the exploration of the rivers the virginia and virginia and the chesapeake bay He was the first english explorer to map the chesapeake bay area and new england When jamestown Was it became a permanent settlement? He trained the settlers to farm and to work thus saving the colony from early devastation So, I mean that's huge But without someone like that sort of leading the way and giving people those skills You know if they did not grow up on a farm or working As a poor peasant he had all those skills that this gentry would not have had and Um, he publicly stated. So this is a line that I've heard before But uh publicly stated he who shall not work shall not eat Which uh might seem a little a little intense these days That was so real But in you know back then I mean really when you're starting out the colony you everyone has to pitch in and do something um And there's always something you can do, you know You may not have the physical strength to be tilling the ground But anyway, so that was good his courage into nasty overcame many adverse situations And strength of character and determination determination overcame problems presented for a number of things. So Uh very impressive person all in all One of the things it says In the research notes, uh, no record of him being married He never he did not marry pocahontas Despite what you know some common misconceptions may be Mine included. I thought that john smith married pocahontas. I thought I was wrong Uh, it was master jones rulf who did in fact, but he was uh pocahontas was the one who saved him From injury then he had to go back to england to fully recover from that but uh, but they were obviously close um because Later when she's she met him in london because pocahontas herself did actually move to london at one point Um, she said you shall call me child and I shall call you father You know referring how close their uh fond they were of each other. So that's interesting um So there we go. Um Moving on To nathaniel tatum Uh son of william tatum and ellen kerk Uh, this is another, uh, well documented profile here and, um Talks about his parents christinian holy trinity the less church Uh, so it makes me wonder is there a holy trinity near the greater church? Maybe We're the poor trinity, you know, uh, and they're the hot they're the better trinity. I don't know The family name came from the originally tatham meaning from the place Hmm His parents must have died when he was young because he was listed on the bride world royal hospital records um So he was found running wild in the streets of london and sleeping under stalls and uh He was one of many homeless waves So he was sent on the ship to virginia, you know to get you know They're just they're just waves here in london. Let's give them somewhere to go and you know be useful. So He became one of the inhabitants of virginia uh Including nathaniel tatum now Nathaniel tatum. I wonder if he went by nate so then he could be natum tatum Um Anyways, apparently he had three brothers on the ship with them. Um, and then So detail the details here um His arrival and whatnot, uh, but a year and a half before the mayfire landed Yeah, uh, then in 1622 Of course talks about the indian attacks and then the one in uh, indian who, uh gave um gave the warning to jamestown. So some people in jamestown were saved because of that um And he was listed on the surely 100 And then it talks about marriage and land and viewers of tobacco And then so on so That's a very very comprehensive very comprehensive. Yeah Then we have temperance flower do west Sonna our daughter of anthony flower do and martha stanley What a pretty name. I know very pretty. She was the wife of the governor sir, george yardling and of the acting governor francis west Who um was related by blood or marriage to several people of significance? But interesting not much is on record about the lady herself so um In fact the identity her identity was uh for a long time a mystery um so like many women in uh In olden times what the the records often just Mentioned the men's man's name. So Now this in this case we have both parents, but Some of the previous profiles we had they uh, you'll remember they just said the the if there was a name of just the fathers Of course all the one i'm clicking on now have both there. Here's an example. Thomas graze son of james graze, but the mother wasn't listed And in fact i'm just doing some irish research. Um And it was a birth certificate or baptism in 1815 They named the father and the two sponsors, but they didn't name the mother In the in the baptismal record.  Uh, that's just not fair Uh, did you say that Her name was temperance. Is that yes she was the wife of a governor? Yes. Yeah, I mean i'm a little surprised that That there wouldn't be like a portrait done of her, you know First lady of the colony Yeah Yeah, so here they they're now placed her as the daughter of Of this of anthony and martha, but no baptism record is going to be found her day. The birth is unknown So they don't have those types of documents to to back it up But I guess they must have something to have based this on Um, I suppose if I hudder over here I clicked on that. Oh wikipedia Okay And then a a book concerning georgia idly and temperance synopsis and review So this is probably a scholarly um dissertation about that so We could go into that. Um Subsequent events are confused and accounts very relying on guesswork. So I mean this is a huge profile But considering some of this is unknown or this is it's kind of wild But um anyways, it's a good read and uh nice history The children the couple they she got she married multiple times and she We have three children listed on wiki tree for her So let's see how deep that goes Goes pretty deep Up to 1700s, let's see. Can we get to the 1800s 1800s anyone anyone higher lower? Oh 1808 People born in the 1820 50 get to 18 the census. Can we get to the census? Uh Wow, well, she's had a lot They documented lots No, surely not all none of all of these lines could not have died out. There's got to be children below Sure Sure, how far along are you date wise now? Uh, I'm still 1780 Oh, wait a second. Is there a limit to the number of indentations that the descendants chart here shows? I think so probably So if we went here somebody else There we go Ah So that was the issue So I I just randomly picked one of her descendants At the end and then they have descendants that take us down to 1966. Okay Okay, very cool very cool Okay, last one Francis Wyatt Uh born about 1588 in Kent. Um, and he's recorded uh, la la la He's uh, first one to change his name. His name was originally written as W I A T T and He re rewrote it as with a Y. I wrote that I read that somewhere here. Um Son in air of George Wyatt um Married uh Margaret Sandys His answers to the line is thought to have ended with his youngest son Very sad But perhaps another son He may immigrated to virginia in 1619 and Brought the new constitution with him And then became the uh Uncharted the first governor of virgin uh He served his first term as governor of virginia in 1621 to 26 And then he came back and was governor again in 1639 to 42 And then became unpopular and had to leave and go back home The end Um, there you go. There is all I've learned about Jamestown. Yes Oh And even more impressive considering that you didn't know that you were going to do the profiles until no I started reading up it on this morning Yeah, so Yeah I guess it's uh time for photos. Yay There's nobody's really added photos at all this month. There's only four Sarah, did you see that the photo on the wiki tree home page as a horse? Hmm Oh, look at that Okay, let me share my screen That was a bit of a delayed reaction And that wasn't the leg That's the leg. That's funny Oh Wait a second. John has exciting news But oh wow I threw that off like 10 minutes ago people Well, I was busy 10 minutes ago Down rabbit holes Okay, sorry taking me a minute I'm wondering how john got one to be closer. We have plenty of time Okay, yeah photos so this month's theme march is sports Only four photos have been shared on the page. We can look at the g2g post to You We have a football team. They're on they're like in a cheerleader, you know tower. Yeah, that's my team Cheerleaders also Is a lot less than the weight of a football tower Yeah This is sport of waiting Is that is that is that actually if you're walking through if you're walking through something that has quite a good current I imagine it could be pretty good exercise the sports of children When we have oh, look, this is fun. Yeah water skiing In canada That's in the okanagan, isn't it? Didn't we find? Yeah, okanagan lake. Yes, that says Then we have one more photo rock climbing cool a new one But i'm sorry, but they're wood climbing, right? There's no rocks working out Oh I like that one. Yeah Let's see. Oh, look. We got some other ones on the post. So we got Some fishing with this pipe Good keep good there Well, then we saw this one Oh This was actually from a postcard collection Then we have the the water skiing And oh look ice hockey And that's it tall. That's all I got guys Yeah, more pictures people. Yeah, you got one more. Well, you got six more days Uh, yeah, I have I have no sports to contribute unless I unless I Unless I posted pictures of my kids playing basketball. They were great sports and athletes, but not me I'm gotten pictures of skiing I have a picture of me as a three-year-old skiing whereas that I even have it right here Wow See how dusty it is Did you know that Lisa said that travel insurance does not include rock climbing? Oh, yeah, it's funny how it's blurring out the Oh, that's wild. That's neat. That's a that's a great action shot. That's very cool. That is me Little mag skiing and how old were you three or four? Wow No, it might have been closer to 66. I have 66 on the date for it I love your red ski pants. Yeah, we're the story behind that too I uh I got up one morning. I was mad. I was really mad My brother got to go to school and I didn't first grade And I was mad and I got up and I put on red socks red tennis shoes My red ski pants. I don't know how I had red underwear But I put on red underwear and a red shirt now.    Yeah, it was those red pants. I was wearing I remember them cutting them off Oh, man Wow All right All right, well I have several several things And I think I'm going to start with the most exciting thing which is the progress of how Our rockers are getting along We have just until next friday to help our our five rockies Um and Hmm. I think I'm going to well, okay. We have increased the five rockers cc sevens all together By one thousand six hundred and forty one connections added Wow Really really great Um And let's see remember erin erin who's in I saw her in the chat Was saying oh, I just wish I could get over 500 We started the month at 498 erin is now 1154 Way to go erin And uh, uh barz, uh mohler is over three thousand Uh, we pushed jill white house over a thousand was that was not true before um Cindy cooper's now over two thousand gale pushed over a thousand so Really really outstanding work Um, we are going to do a um a wrap-up video um and You know highlight things that happened and and those of the the five rockies that are comfortable coming on Um, you know, we're the five rockies rock rock On one screen Maybe you should call them rockets So, um That was one thing now with my my week on the ipad. I have decided to extend this to two weeks Yes to um and I have one I I do confess that when I've been doing um Non research non profile things for wiki tree. I have been using my my laptop, but anything profile related um, I have been mags I pulled out at the end of the livecast last week. I showed mags and gregs my bluetooth keyboard And I said well, he said no you can't use that. No, they gave me side-eye. They said no you may not Yeah So I have not The only I've been doing it all with my fingers the only problem is now when I do like I'm at work at school And I'm doing things on my laptop. I go Wait, it's not working. Yeah, that's very you get very used to the you know moving things around Yeah, yeah So far my observations and if anyone I asked this in the g2g post No one replied, but I'd love to know those of you who do work on the ipad or or definitely do not work on an ipad What do you like or what do you not like? um, I've discovered I've been using safari Um, and I I got sorcerer which works really really well that helps a lot um, and I do everything on safari I mean initially I thought oh I'm going to get my my ancestry app ready and my family search Wrapped ready and work with the apps and that that really does not work for me It's much easier to just do everything web-based and go from tap to tap And I'm trying to think if I have any other big thoughts, um Greg and I are going to talk about wiki tree plus Um, but basically I I feel like It's pretty similar you you might have to readjust your habits about how you do things You know, I was very used to control z on my on my laptop and now I I have another way to correct my mistakes So wrecked my mistakes. What are those? Says the queen of typos Um, so leave those in the comments your thoughts on iPads And uh, and then my last thing is talking about the the new wiki tree profile creation Which has been in beta testing for I don't know like three months And um, it's now it's now official um, that is the way to To create your profiles. Um, I I was part of the beta testing group and um, It's not terrifically different. I mean what mag what are we going to do? Do you want me to like put it up on? Yeah, okay, so, um, let me get to the right screen Um, so I went to one of my my profiles needed Do you want me to quickly I'll I'll sort of start the process So at least see the interface. So here's one of my profiles That um needs a father Is this big enough should I yeah, okay great. I think it's big enough. Okay So, yes, we made a new profile and then um, a lot of this looks the same. Um, David uh Big nail and then um one thing that's not here is is um middle names middle name Yeah, those that's been moved down His birthday we know from the 1939 register February 7th 1873 Certain I can't read the hand writing on his town, but he was born in Gloucestershire Oh, I just did the wrong I will 18 There that's the right date range Nice death night. Well, you know with an audience I got to do it right, right I like that before the locations were after the fact like you put the dates in but you have to go scroll down to Yes, that's right. That's right. I like that they're together there. Yeah, they're really uh That's certain. I I'm unsure where he died so I'm gonna leave that and and um Sex at birth I think This this is this was also this was not a Was this not In the old system What's that the sex at birth or it was phrased differently Maybe oh might have been called gender. Yeah. Yeah, I believe it was gender Continue Okay, and then um Oh, you put your sorcerer right there. Put your put your source right there. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm just got my sorcerer boom Uh, create a source citation Don't you have to go to view record first do it do I yeah, that's that's where I usually go. Oh, yes Yes, you're right. You're right And then Build a source citation Then I'm gonna come back I don't think I need I'll end up getting a double asterisk, so I'm gonna get rid of that um 1939 register showing data births and Proceed to create new play five Here's probably the biggest uh difference, which is really nice is that in the old system When you got to that step it would take you to the profile in view mode, but notice that I am still in edit mode So I can I can do other things you can go and start typing out that biography immediately immediately. Yes Yeah, I do like that. Yeah Because you know what I always did because middle name wasn't wasn't an option on the other one So every profile I always had you know middle name question mark sort of thing Yeah, and I just click on that link and that got me to Got me to the profile That is my quick quick link to get there Especially since so many of my profiles didn't have middle names anyway So all I had to do was click the button underneath it saying well look this gentleman has two middle names Wow So there we go. I've added a source And I guess I've added a source Even at that And uh, there he is It's nice. Yeah Very cool. Wow. Thank you Yep, you're welcome New stuff new stuff So we have some things coming up in the week to come Let me get myself moved over there. Did you notice the middle name field changes? And those have been changed around so that people can Not have to put in a middle name You can you can put in a middle name if somebody has a middle name in the south of the us All of us have surnames as middle names Those can be hints for finding information But if your family doesn't have a middle name, you don't have to enter in anything now That's changed. That's a good change and Betty just went over the new system for creating profiles And if you have any comments or suggestions, you can add your information to that wiki tree six challenge for 2023 is coming up for the american historical society of germans from russia Can't get any more specific from that But yeah, and that's going to be interesting because can you imagine doing? Um research from that area would be very hard So that's going to be an interesting week coming up be fun to watch how that goes um At the connecta thon's coming up april and what's happening around wiki tree. Thank you so much alin for getting this put together Of course the round-up live cast. We are not at roots tech anymore But we can move on down here today's the 25th and today's saturday's sourcing sprint Uh the weekend chat was friday black heritage weekend sprint The global tour for the 15 nations global tour kenya wrap up is uh the 28th friday night bingo for the greeter's project and also for the adoption of angel's project ones at 12 p.m ones at 16 eastern daylight time you probably need to update that That anymore we got some stuff going on month long bio builders pgm profiles titanic passengers black heritage project jetty integrators and sorcerers As well, we have a social media team If you'd like to join that you can join the ambassadors project and get that information out for uh Week of sunday the 26th Question of the week is coming up. I don't know if she's changed it already this morning Uh 15 nations one named tuesday one place wednesday We've got a project showcase. Don't know what the project is yet makes you're not sharing that screen Oh, i'm not why not Here you go There we go. There we go the social media from the ambassadors project. Sorry No problem. Um, thank you very much. What is wiki tree the connection finder friday night bingo It already said there's greeters and adoption angels And we've got the photos people find some sports photos. I shared mine Five or four or five year old it was four five because those Pants were going after age of six. So Got lots of fun stuff coming up If you have stuff you'd like to add to the counter let Anyone know and we love having you around yep Shepherd is not here, but I see his name And uh, yeah england goes forward one more Here you go, and then uh Somebody asked for another link. So that's it for this week. We'll see you next week Same times in place. Sarah. We were loved to have you Yay We can have you get some pictures in so sarah sarah. We're gonna have to figure out Next week. I'm not gonna be here though. Oh The We will see you Thanks everyone


Dwi'n radd. Mae nemu ni, Neil Goff. Am yng Nghaethau Llywodraeth, dwi'n radd, ddefnyddio, ac i rŵs cyfnod yr unedig o ran ymddowsu i ddechrau pinodd yn y bwrdd o'r adrodau ac wedi'u gweld, maen nhw'n gwirionedd gyda cyfnod. Mae'r newid i'r ddau, gan gweithio'r hiad Ynwys Gweithwyr those present in the room. If attending the meeting in person, we ask that wherever possible you wear a face covering at all times. Please also keep to the one way system in the chamber and please use the hand sanitizer and sanitising wipes provided. Whether present in the chamber or virtually, please make sure that you do not switch your microphones on unless you are invited to speak. Those who are participating virtually should, if possible, use a headset microphone. All participants should speak slowly and clearly. Please ensure that you have switched off or silent any other devices that you have so that you do not interrupt proceedings, which I will do now. The normal procedure at Cabinet is to take votes by affirmation and we will continue with this tradition. When we move to a vote on any item, I will ask if members agree with the proposal. If any member wants to either vote against a proposal or to abstain, then a roll call will be taken. I will then ask Cabinet members to speak into the microphone so that their vote is clear both to Cabinet and to those watching on the webcast. Members should respond for, against or abstain when their name is called. Only those members present in the chamber will be able to move and second motions in vote. Members present virtually may speak in the debate. Please make members who are attending virtually indicate a wish to speak by the use of the chat in the teams meetings. Those present in the council chamber should indicate their wish to speak by raising their hand. I will ask the chief executive to keep a note of the order of speakers both virtually and in the room. Members of Cabinet will be entitled to speak before non-Cabinet members starting with remotely participating Cabinet members. Other members who are not Cabinet members will then be able to speak starting with any attending remotely. Cabinet members present, I will now invite each of you to introduce yourself. Can we perhaps start this end of the table? John. I'm John. Bachelor, councillor for Linton and I'm the lead Member for Howe. Good morning, councillor Peter Macdonald and the councillor for Duxford and responsible Cabinet Member for Business Support. Good morning, Brian Melds. Lead Member for Environmental, Environment and Services. Environmental Services and Licensing is actually what the title is. Thank you. And Member for the Sallstone. Good morning everyone. To me, Hawkins, Member for Codicot Ward and the lead Cabinet Member for Planning Policy and Delivery. Thank you. Good morning. I'm John Williams. I'm the lead Cabinet Member for Finance and Staffing and I'm a member for Ben Dyddon and Forbill Ward. Hello and Bill Handley. I'm the Member for the Villages of Over and Willingham and the lead Member for Community Resilience, Health and Wellbeing. Thank you. We have a number of non-Cabinet members present in the room as well. So Heather, would you like to introduce yourself? Thank you. My name's Heather Williams and I represent the Mordins Ward. We also have a number of councillors, I think, who aren't cabinet members who are present online. Would they like to introduce themselves? I think Claire Daunton first. Yes. Thank you, leader. I'm Claire Daunton and I'm one of the members for the Fendit and Full Born Ward. Jeff Harvey, please. Yes. Jeff Harvey, Member for Bulletin Ward. And Richard Williams. Hi, Richard Williams, Member for the Wittlesford Ward. Thank you. Are there any other members on the call who I have missed? Thank you. We also have officers from our senior leadership team present, both in person and online. We have Liz Watts, a chief executive, Rory McKenna, some monitoring officer, Peter Maddock, Head of Finance. I think Stephen Kelly is not with us. He's unwell. But we have Chris Carter from the Joint Planning Service as well, and Sharon Brown as well from the Joint Planning Service. Plus, Democratic Services brought staff in a number of officers who are present for individual reports, and we will introduce them when we get to our item. Also, Jeff Memory, I think, part of the senior leadership team and the Head of Transformation is also on the call. Okay. Moving on. Apologies for absence. First of all, I'd like to declare the meeting court. In the apologies for absence, John. Thank you, Deputy Leader. We've received one apology of absence from Councillor Bridget Smith, Leader of the Council. Thank you. Okay. Moving to item three, declarations of interest. Do any members have any interest to declare in relation to any item of business on this agenda? Nope. Can't see any. If any interest does subsequently become apparent later in the meeting, please would you raise it at that point. Okay. So turning to item number four, minutes of the previous meeting. Members are asked to approve the minutes of the meeting held on the 5th of July. I move the approval of those minutes as a correct record. Is that seconded? Thank you, Mr Councillor Batchelor. The members agree to approve the minutes. Agree. Does anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Anyone wish to abstain? Cabinet therefore agrees to approve all the minutes as a correct record by affirmation. Item number five on the agenda is public questions, but we have no public questions which have been submitted. Item number six, issues arising from the scrutiny and overview committee. My understanding is that the scrutiny and overview committee don't have any issues relating to any of the items on this agenda. That's Cedsel Milne's. Thank you. I'd just like to thank the scrutiny committee for its contribution at the meeting. I can confirm that the lead officer Rachel Jackson and I are working and using their contributions to the formulation of the policy that will be coming forward. I think it's a good example of how scrutiny can make early interventions in policy development. Thank you. Just for the benefit of the other members and members of the public, what was the policy you're referencing? So we had a long conversation about street trading and consent streets. Thank you very much indeed, but there's nothing relating to items on the agenda today. So we will move on to item number seven, actions taken under chief executive delegated powers. Members, you are asked to note this report. The action which was taken relates to the national lockdown business support policy and the growth fund policy which was issued on the 14th of July. Do any members have any questions or comments about that, the chief executive? Okay, so we will just ask to note that report. So moving on, we have now the item relating to the naming of Newtown at Water Beach. I think Councillor Hanley will introduce and move the recommendations. I think we have officers on the call as well. I can see Ryan Curtsy who is on the call. Ryan, is there anybody else on the officer call who is with you? Good morning, Deputy. No, there's no other officers present. I believe Jeff Membrey is representing the paper and then we've got a representative from RLW Estates and Urban and Civic on the call as well. Okay, thank you very much. If I can now hand over to Gatswell Bill Hanley to introduce the report and move the recommendations. Thank you, Deputy Leader. The naming of the Newtown at Water Beach is an important milestone. The paper presented to Cabinet today is a result of a two-stage, 12-week public consultation by the developers. I'm pleased to see we have representatives from the developers here on the call today. Consultation booklets were sent out to over 3,000 properties in Water Beach and surrounding villages. The consultation was marketed through the developers' regular newsletters and various online media. There's also a dedicated web page which contains all of the consultation material. Despite the publicity, a new relatively small number of responses were received, but those that were received were both constructive and helpful. The first phase of the consultation found that just over half of the people who responded preferred the name to cover both the Newtown and the existing village and opting for the name Water Beach. This was further explored in phase two by a series of three workshops involving a wide demographic, including representatives of Water Beach Parish Council, local county and district councillors and other interested parties such as the Water Beach Heritage Group, the Primary School and Water Beach Action for Youth. All three of these workshops supported the whole place approach using the Water Beach name. Although there were some suggested alternatives such as Water Beach North or North Water Beach, in the end the alternative suggestions didn't really go on in much support. The conclusion of the consultation is that Water Beach should be the name of the new settlement, including the existing settlement. The options for Cabinet today are laid out in paragraph 15. Cabinet can note the developer's consultation report of Pentaxe, affirm the development's consultation process and agree with their proposal that Water Beach should be the name of the new settlement in Water Beach Parish, omitting that includes the existing settlement. Obviously the alternative is to reject the findings and suggest an alternative course of action. I would like to make this proposal that we accept the paper. Thank you, Councillor Hansley. Is that seconded please? Yes, Deputy Leader, I'd like to second that based on the consultation response and the support from the Parish Council. Excellent. Are there any other Cabinet members who wish to speak on this? Councillor Hawkins. Thank you very much, Deputy Leader. I think it's just to say congratulations to all those who took part in this process. I was quite struck by a paragraph in the report that said the overall conclusion was that the name Water Beach should apply to the village and the new town as a whole in order to promote a sense of integration and collective identity. I think that says a lot because people have obviously thought about it and felt that they needed to be that, not with them and us, but a sense of we are one. It just happened to have been here, you know, it was also in the village a bit longer than those who will be in the new town. So I think that probably builds well for the future. Thank you. Are there any non-Cabinet members who wish to speak on this item? Right, so I think we have no other speakers so we can move to the vote on this item. The recommendation is set out in paragraph two of the report to note the developer's consultation report at Pandex A affirming the developer's consultation process and agree the outcomes of developer led consultation which includes that Water Beach should be the name of the new settlement in Water Beach Parish and that this will be inclusive of the existing village. Do members agree with the proposal? Great. Does anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Anyone wish to abstain? Therefore the cabinet agrees the proposal by affirmation. I'd just like to thank the officers and the developers who are participating in the consultation process for their work in reaching this resolution. So thank you very much indeed. Okay, so we now move on to item number nine which is the consultation on the location of the, excuse me, the wastewater treatment plant. I will introduce this report and move the recommendation. So this consultation relates to the relocation of the wastewater treatment plant from Cowley Road, the preferred route has selected by Anglian Water. This is the second public consultation prior to the development consent order submission which is expected to be next year. I think the report highlights a number of issues which will be particularly relevant to our residents focused on issues relating to traffic landscape and indeed even the technology and the environmental impact of that technology. So I would like to recommend that we move this report and submit it as our response to the consultation. Do I have a seconder please for that? Thank you Councillor Toomey Hawkins. Thank you, I would like to second this recommendation. Are there any cabinet members who wish to speak on this item? Councillor Williams. Thank you chair. As this report says that this is the second consultation prior to their submission of their application to the Secretary of State and I have to say and as is indicated in this report, our disappointment at the what is actually proposed to what we were promised at the first consultation. At the first consultation we were promised a state of the art exemplar water treatment works and excuse the pun but what we've got here is a bog standard sewage works. I'm bitterly disappointed that Angli Walter doesn't appear to have taken on board many of the concerns and suggestions that were put forward in the first consultation and as a result of that as you can see we have some serious concerns about this proposed development and I hope that Angli Walter will take on board these concerns in their application to the Secretary of State. In particular the access to the site and that it should have a dedicated access and also that it should enable those working as well as visiting the site to be able to do so using active travel either walk or cycle where at the moment it doesn't appear they can do that. Also how disappointing we are that they don't appear to be using the most up-to-date technology and if they did then the footprint of the site would be a lot smaller and it would have a lot less impact on the landscape. So I personally am very disappointed with Angli Walter. I'm very disappointed that their consultation is more hype than substance and I do urge Angli Walter to take on board the criticisms that we've made in this report and to demonstrate that they have listened to the local communities and they are going to deliver to us a state-of-the-art 21st century water treatment plant which at the moment from the second consultation it's not going to happen. So I do urge them to take on board out our comments and suggestions. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor James. Any other members of the cabinet like to speak on this? I turn to any non-members who would like to speak. Thank you, Deputy Leader. I'd just like to stress as well that the comments I'm going to make are a representation from myself and Councillor Cohn as you know he works up at Edinburgh so he's not able to attend today. So going through the report I have to say that we also were disappointed for some of the reasons that have been outlined. Mainly and I'm going to comment on a few things but the vehicle access I mean what you've put in this report it's the only sensible option in our views so that must happen. And that there is strong local feeling around the landscape proposals and what's referred to and it's quite strongly opposed so I think the comments you've made on here definitely need to be delivered strongly and robustly to Anglian water. There was some concerns if I draw members' attention to page 32 that we had around as a procedural issue so you've got three options. With the first option to endorse the recommended approach to the consultation with authority given to the joint director of planning and economic development in consultation with Deputy Leader and need members to read it planning. To amend the draft consultation response to make reference to any additional issues that may be identified through the ongoing consultation process. That would suggest if that was taken by Cabinet today that a consultation response could be submitted without members or members of this council actually seeing the final version. So ahead of a decision of Deputy Leader for this consultation to go through given it's going to be one of the most important things that is decided should we not as members of the council and the public get to see the response before it's submitted and it's too late if that is to be the case as it's suggested there. And also we're making assumption that these bullet points in the actual body itself there's no appendix that shows the consultation response so we're making assumption here that this is going to be a sort of copy and paste drop. So if you could please clarify because if so there are a few typos that would need to be addressed. And one final matter of clarification from Cabinet would be very much appreciated from Councillor Cohn and myself and I'm sure others that there are serious concerns with the current proposals in Councillor Cohn and I view this is not the right site. Honeyhill is not the right site at all. I'd be interested to know if Cabinet have made a decision as to whether they agree with the site location or not. But if they don't take the concerns on board is Cabinet willing to pull out of the HIF agreement and pull out the project as a whole because it can only actually go ahead if this council is party to it. So if it's not going to be what we were told and for once I think Councillor John Williams and I are slightly aligned in our concerns. Not often people were saying this council. But we have to be willing to pull out of this if it's not the right thing for our residents. Does Cabinet have that intention and will. Thank you Deputy Leader. Okay, thank you. So in terms of the your first question, can I ask Sharon to Sharon Brown to comment? I think the consultation response is due on the 18th of August. So Sharon, could you sort of give us some guidance as to whether we could possibly circulate another draft for further comment before submission or is that not possible? There are still some consultation responses to be received. So we're still expecting some of the remaining consultation responses. What I would say is that we have this week received the response from the quality panel. This item was considered by the quality panel a few weeks ago. We now have their detailed response, which generally accords with the draft response that's referred to in the report. So there is the opportunity for a final version to be circulated. And Sharon, can you give two questions on that? First of all, roughly what the timing you would anticipate for that final draft to be circulated in order to meet the 18th of August deadline and presumably you would circulate that through email. Is that correct? And then any subsequent changes to that could be done in accordance with the recommendations here. That's right. So I would recommend that it would be circulated at least a week ahead of the deadline to ensure that we could respond fully before the deadline and that that communication would be via email. I was just going to come back on that one particular issue and say, so this final draft, will that enable, while it be circulated, will it be enabled for members of council to make comment on? Because ultimately that could result in another draft and potentially agreement which would be difficult to do without in a meeting where agreement could be found there and then and going through email exchange and will it be made available to the public? So let me say that if we go through around from the 11th of August by email, it would appear to me that then comments which come in there could be incorporated into the draft. In the recommendation there is a delegated authority to the joint director and planning and economic development consultation with me to make any changes and that process I would envisage for that. Given the time frame here, we could go around in endless loops here. So we will afford one opportunity to go around again and then we will deal with it by delegation. In terms of the process for then making the final version of the submitted reports available, maybe I could again ask Sharon Brown to comment on what that would be and whether they would be made public and how they would be made public if so. So yes, we would make the response public. It isn't a statutory consultation but given the level of public interest we would make the response public. Sorry Sharon and how would you do that? How would that be made public? I think we should put it on the website. That would be my recommendation. It might help to put it with the consultation response in phase one so that people are looking, it's in the same place not dotted about. Thank you. In terms of your second question, I think we have raised here a number of questions associated with the plans which Anglia Water currently have. They went through a process of their own which will be tested in terms of the site selection. At this stage we are raising a number of issues which I think are made very clearly in this report actually concerns which we have and members of the public which we sincerely hope that Anglia Water take on board and your points made about the relationship to the HIFBID and the imports of that hopefully will give way to Anglia Water making changes and taking on board the points which we are making to make this a scheme which is acceptable. Thank you. Councillor Daunton. Yes, thank you, Chairman. I speak as one of the elected members for the ward in which this side falls. I'm very glad to have the opportunity to speak about this response. I share, Councillor Daunton-Williams, a deep disappointment in many elements of it and the fact that it falls short of what Anglia Water were promising. I mean, as we all know, there was serious concern about the location, the site selection, but also over the hopes that have been built up and not fulfilled in what Anglia Water has been offering. I won't repeat what Councillor Daunton-Williams has said. As I said, I share his views, but I would also draw attention to the importance of the falling short on biodiversity, the 10% and also falling short on taking the opportunities to use the latest technology in the development of a new water treatment plant and the opportunity that offers to use the very best technology in water recycling and all the other aspects that Anglia Water could use. Also, I think that they have made commitments which, in the initial stages, they made commitments which they don't seem to be following, which they don't seem to be able to fulfil. And I think this report, this response highlights that and I think that's a really important element of the response that we really do need Anglia Water to fulfil the promises that they made. And finally, very important to the local community is the whole issue of access and the option 3, the dedicated route into the site. The choice of dedicated routes is really important for the villages most affected in my ward. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, Councillor Baxter. Thank you very much. I'd just like to clarify one point. The Cambridge quality panel made their report on the 14th. This report, it says, incorporated informal feedback. Could I just check that their official report didn't add any further substantive items? Can I ask Sharon Brown whether you'd respond to that, please? Yes, so there were no further substantive points that were raised by the quality panel beyond the key points that are set out in this report. The quality panel did make a suggestion that Anglia Water should have considered consulting on three landscape options, setting out pros and cons. So that's one of their suggestions. They also focused very much on new technologies, which they said should have been considered. So obviously that's in line with the report and also were disappointed in relation to the biodiversity net gain issues in particular, feeling that that illustrated a lack of ambition. So generally, very much in accordance with the report, but just that suggestion about consulting on landscape options instead. Thank you. Sorry. Are we taking that on board then, the landscape options, which apparently is... I think there was reference, wasn't there, in the report to the fact that there was only a single landscape solution which was provided. We'll take your comment as to... I didn't see a reference to the fact that there should be three in the consultation response, but maybe we could include that in the subsequent draft, which we will then circulate. So thank you members for that. I'll just make a comment that what we've heard, I think, is a sort of universal kind of support here for a robust response to what is a really quite disappointing proposal. So I'm sure officers will take that on board, that the feeling of the members here and the need to hold Anglia Water accountable to the promises which they have made and where we feel that they are falling short. I think that the report though clearly does come across as being very critical and hopefully have some impact in terms of shaping their thoughts as they go forward. So let's now move to the vote. The recommendation is set out in paragraph 6 of the report to endorse the approach set out in this report and give authority to the Joint Director of Planning and Economic Development and Consultation with Deputy Leader and Lead Cabinet Member for Strategic Planning and Transport and the Lead Cabinet Member for Transformation and Projects, otherwise known as me, to amend the draft response to make reference to any additional issues that may be identified from the ongoing consultation process and to submit response on behalf of the council, recognising, as Councillor Williams has suggested, that we will have one more cycle through members for this report. Do members agree with the proposal? Does anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Does anyone wish to abstain? Therefore, the Cabinet agrees with the proposals by Affabache. Thank you again to Sharon Brown and her team for work on this and I hope that we will be able to incorporate the additional comments from Councillor Batchelor in the response and get further input from members in the process. So thank you very much indeed. Okay, so we now move on to item number 10, which is another critical important piece of infrastructure in our area, which is Cambridge South Railway Station and the response to the consultation on that. I will introduce the report and move the recommendation to endorse the response in this report. This is a statutory response to a consultation by Network Rail in this case for planning consent to the Secretary of State for Transportation. And again, as in the previous item, which we referred to, this report picks up on a number of issues of concern which have been raised and are represented in the consultation. Do I have a second up, please, for this report? Councillor Timmy Hawkins. Thank you, Deputy Leader. I second this motion to adopt the response in the report. But in doing that, if I may say a quick word, I am concerned about the proposal contained, or that Network Rail have made, regarding the biodiversity net game and the way on which we are doing it. I am concerned about the issue of achieving that, which seems to be either off-site or working with third parties on their site. And I think this needs to be looked at properly again, so I don't see how they can leave that in the hands of third parties. The other issue that I'm concerned about is how passengers will get from the station to Edinburgh, for example, in terms of cycleways and footpaths. That doesn't seem to be included in this. I might have missed it, but I think we ought to strengthen that as much as we can, because there will be those who will be using it to get to Edinburgh. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other? John, Councillor John Williams. Thank you, Deputy Leader. Yes, I'm picking up on the points that Councillor Hawkins has made. I, too, am disappointed with the biodiversity net game. And I think it's, we must point out to Network Rail that Canberra South is part of the OXCAMR, and the ambition of that is to have at least a 20% by the biodiversity net game. So I would expect Network Rail to conform to that, and I look forward to them amending their proposal to deliver what we are expecting of the OXCAMR, as Canberra South Station is part of that OXCAMR. Also picking up on the point that Councillor Hawkins made about travel to and from the station. The station is on the very western boundary of the Biomed campus. It is some 15 minute walk from the station to Edinburgh's hospital, which is on the opposite side of the Biomed campus. And again, I'm disappointed that Network Rail offer no proposals to support the development of a sustainable public transport and active travel plan to enable train passengers to access and those that work on the site to access the station. Without resorting to the use of cars. One of my great fears is that we could well see many people using private hire and taxis to travel between the station and some of the employment centres because there isn't an adequate public transport network, although it's not an adequate cycle. I hope that electric bikes, for example, could be provided at the station to enable that last mile trip to be accomplished. So I am disappointed by Network Rail's response and plan and I do hope they take on board the environmental issues that are lacking at the moment in their plan. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Williams. Can I just, we've got Chris Carter, who is the officer involved in this project. Chris, would you like to just, I know you've covered in the response the biodiversity net gain and made reference to the council's 20% ambition. I think we probably could include a reference there to the OXCAM arc as well. But would you like to make a comment about the sort of active travel issues and that sort of connectivity to the rest of the annual website? Thank you, Deputy Leader. It's probably worth setting in the context of a piece of work which was just commenced with Adam Brooks and the Cambridge University Hospital Trust on a refresh of the Adam Brooks Hospital's master plan. That will include connectivity between the proposed station and the hospital as well as within the wider biomedical campus. So whilst it's not explicitly cited in this response network, but rarely it is a matter which is on the agenda for discussion with the hospital and partners through that work. It sounds like we could make reference to it in this response though. Yes, I think we could add reference that if members so wish. Yeah, okay. I think that's the case. I can see nodding heads. Do any non-cabinet members? Castle Williams. Thank you, Deputy Leader. I only want to say that I do endorse particularly on paragraph page 53 in relation to the concerns around net biodiversity gain. And I think also we want to be gaining not just relocating. I think that's a really important thing which and these things often do slip. So very much want to see that robustly. And the language has been used about hopeful and, you know, hope we're taking on concerns. Can I please urge cabinet to be strong on things like this? You will, I'm sure, be listened to, but you need to be really robust, confident and be a bit more demanding. There's no point just putting up a mild protest on these things. If you truly believe them then you should be shouting from the rooftops. If you think something's wrong you should be saying it's wrong and doing everything in your power to change it. So some strengthening of the resolve of cabinet on issues such as this and the previous item would be very welcome, Deputy Leader. Don't underestimate our resolve. You need to show it then, Deputy Leader. Okay, excellent. So I think on the biodiversity net gain we've covered that in the response. I think we're going to make reference to the arc ambition as well. Do I have any other comments from non-cabinet members? Okay, nothing other than members. Okay, so this response is due on August the 2nd, which is early next week. So moving to the vote, the recommendation here is to endorse the draft formal response in Appendix A subject to a couple of changes which we've added here and give authority to the joint director for planning and economic development to make minor amendments to the consultation that's appropriate. So these will be drafting changes given the limited time available. Do members agree with that proposal? Does anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Anyone wish to abstain? Very good. Again, thanks very much to the officers and as I mentioned before on the previous item you have our full support to be robust in your interaction with Network Rail on these issues which are clearly, they have some way to go. Okay, moving to item number 11, which is the black cat to cats and givets widening. Again, this is a response to consultation. I will introduce the report and move the recommendation on this. To cancer Heather Williams point, this report is probably of the three we've just reviewed. I suspect the most challenging to the applicant in terms of their current plans relative to our expectations. But the key comments are in the report. Could I have a seconder please for that? Councillor Brian Milne's. Are there any cabinet members who wish to speak on this item? Councillor Tumi Hawkins. Thank you Deputy Leader. I think this particular infrastructure, yes, it is welcome but I am disappointed in the way that highways in England have responded and the information that they've given or not as the case may be. And the assessments that I am aware of also suggest that the traffic implications would have significant impact on traffic at the Curtin interchange. Which I know is not part of this project but they did admit it would. As everything else, we have a serious problem with access to the M11 from this side of town and it's just getting worse without any hope of solutions being provided.  Councillor John Williams. Thank you Deputy Leader. There's a trend here, isn't there? If I observe angry water, network rail and now highways in England, have they not read the policy of this council of being green to our core? Because in so far, those three organisations, national organisations have ignored the policies of this council in their proposals. And I think we should be sending a message to everyone out there including angry water, network rail and highways in England, that we have a policy of being green to our core and we will not accept proposals which are not aligned to that. Thank you Chair. So at the stakeholder meeting of the A428 last week which I attended, it was clear that a lot of the work that we would have expected to be already for a consultation period that starts in four weeks. Is not yet ready. There has been no announcement of the traffic modelling system, so we have no idea on what baseline that's going to be based. And there is a consistency of response now that Councillor Williams will be pleased to know that from both the County Council and the District Council over issues like LTN 120, which is government guidance but which highways England is declining to adopt. So this means there are issues of the permeability and connectivity to be addressed. And whereas we want an exemplar of modern design and active travel, alternative modal shift, it's clear that highways England are far less ambitious than we want them to be. So this report hopefully will, this consultation will be robust enough to pass Councillor Williams' benchmarks in that regard because I think we're all agreed that we want this to be much better than currently is before us. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Mill. Do I have any other cabinet members wishing to speak? Thank you. Any non-cabinet members? Councillor Williams. Thank you Deputy Leader. And yes, we've heard much on this one. I'm simply asking that when it comes to things that this council is involved in also such as the relocation of the water treatment plant, we equally give it that robustness and gusto. And to hear we will not accept proposals not green to the core. Let's hope that that means that when I didn't get the answer earlier that we will pull out of things if they don't show the correct amount of environmental benefits to our residents. In relation to this as well, one thing I would just like to highlight this, ultimately one of the most important things, not the one of, but the environment as well, is the impact that it has to residents during any construction if this is to go ahead. We've seen that on other infrastructure projects such as the A14 and things. And I really would like to stress that of utmost importance to cabinet in any responses given on these matters. Because what we see is increased traffic free villages that aren't really designed for that traffic sometimes. And we need to make sure that they're not left in a worse state than previously. So I would emphasise that as important deputy leader. And like I say, I look forward to hearing this enthusiasm when it's things that actually is in the control of the district council as well as things that are from outside bodies. Okay, thank you very much. Do I have any other non cabinet members who would like to speak to any other members? Okay, excellent. Okay, so I think we've heard with this report quite a lot of concern and quite a lot of issues raised where it's fallen short of our expectations. So we have a recommendation here to submit the report, submit the consultation response. I would sort of like to propose another part of the recommendation because in addition to the actual issues of environments and so forth, there were concerns which were expressed and they come through in the report about inadequacies of the process. For example, the sort of lack of baseline. So rather than sort of incorporate those within a consultation response, which will just be received as a consultation response, I would like to propose another recommendation in line with the spirit of Councillor Heather Williams on this, that we asked the leader to write to the Secretary of State of Transport, hopefully with the support of leaders in other affected councils, the county council and other district councils if possible, expressing our sort of concern about the process here and the way in which the process has fallen short of our expectations. So I'd like to propose that we add that as a recommendation B if that is acceptable to Cabinet Government. Just to say from that stakeholder meeting, I would anticipate support from fellow councils around the area that are impacted by this because that was their response at the stakeholder meeting. So I very much endorse that additional step. So we will ask the leader to write in that way and see if she can get support from other affected public bodies above and beyond the recommendation. So on that basis, can I please move the recommendation to endorse the approach set out in this report, give delegated authority to the Joint Director of Planning and Economic Development in consultation with me to review and amend the response contained within the local impact report, written reportizations in the statement in common ground in response to further information that may be forthcoming from the scheme promoters and B to write the letter to the Secretary of State. Do members agree with that proposal? Does anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Does anyone wish to abstain? Cabinet therefore agrees these proposals by affirmation and once again to officers, thank you very much indeed for your work and your report here which clearly highlights to us the deficiencies and again we encourage you to be as robust and as forceful with Highways England to get these changes in their proposals. Thank you very much indeed. Okay, we've now reached the end of our agenda. Thank you very much indeed for joining today's Cabinet meetings. The next meeting of Cabinet is scheduled to take place on Wednesday 1 September at 10 o'clock. Thank you very much indeed and now we can end the live stream.