y are having these discussions means. This is what that shadow is so on point. He taught he's not using the article's information and then like address it. He's more so absorbed. It and now treating it as though it's stuff he knows. This is like. Yeah. No, I know.  It's making me a little bit angry. Well, compare his coverage of the article with us talking about it, where we get into like legitimate discussions about what they might need to do and alternatives and all that sort of thing. Well, I mean, bear in mind, I like none of us here like Marvel, like the MCU anymore. And even we were like, well, you know, maybe that's not true. This was contested. Reading everything we went through in the past four hours or many hours was all treated with a huge grains of salt. Like there was even stuff that we read that we were like, probably not true. The chat was like, no, that's true. That's confirmed. It's like, oh, OK. Here it's just like, yeah, he's accepted it all as factual. Yeah. That they don't really know where they're going right now. I mean, we're currently in the middle of Loki season two, and that is for sure going to continue to set up Kang and set up the things that are in store for him. So I don't. Such as what? Such as what, buddy? Well, that's the problem. It could be absolutely anything, including cutting him off entirely. It could be the end of season two of Loki deletes Kang from all of existence and the timeline. That could be a thing. We might not see him again. What if he turns to spaghetti and that's just it? And that's their way of being like, oh, I feel like what I just said was much more definitive. I'm saying it could end with deleting him from everything. Kang's just gone. Why is that any more or less possible? Exactly. He can write reality to his whip. Yeah, that could have been it. But he's like, no, it's clearly setting. He's seen up to episode five just like us, and he's saying it's clear that they set in Kang up for more. It's like, are they? Is that what's happening? I just love what he says. Oh, they're setting things up. It's like such as you don't know what's happened to that show. Neither do we. Exactly. That going switching over so quickly to Dr. Doom would be the right direction to go. I think if worse comes to worse, Marvel should, you know, depending on the way the legal battles work out, Marvel should completely recast Jonathan Majors and move forward with Kang. We spent so much time. So he said it would be bad to move to Dr. Doom. We should recast Kang, which is I don't even look. It's bad either way. It'll be horribly the way there's nothing to do with the actors at this point or even the characters. Yeah, the writers. What if it comes out that Jonathan Majors is guilty of whatever and he's not going to be in it anymore? Then I'm like, damn, what do you do? Well, I guess if we were put in charge, recast Kang's bit, you can't really do anything other than that, right? I don't know. I guess I would just I would be tempted to actually great the new actor is if we have time, maybe write it so that Loki does a race and we just get rid of Kang and we just buy and we do bring in someone else. Oh, yeah, Loki ends. We have Loki ending with that's what or that's what Loki kind of does is like, well, the Kang is the big bad that's going to this is my home planet needs me. He turns a spaghetti on the way back. Yes, I'm guys building up Kang with the Loki series with all of the multiverse. What has been built up? What has? Yeah, exactly. What has been built? He seems to be just some some loser, you know, kind of what the biggest building scene for him is, is the after credit scene in Quantamania.  But look at how many there are and look at all the different ones and oh, there's a hierarchy and that they have plans. You could easily wreck on that with someone waking up from a nightmare.  All of us get all the Loki talks to people about how I saw him. I connected with him through the entire timeline. The plans he had, he was horrendous. I got rid of it. I killed it all. It was it was, you know, terrifying. But let me just write it so that by doing that, you leave a gap open and that's Dr. Doom somehow, whatever.  I don't know what I'm just.  No, no, no, no, no, come on. Do you hear what you just said? Let's let's rewind a little bit. Has all been just putting all of their chips into Kang. All of phase four and five have put all their chips into Kang. No, they haven't. The vast majority of the stories have nothing to do with them. There's no reference to Kang in 80 percent of the projects. Yeah, 85 again, maybe 84 because really it was low key. It was Quantamania and it was low key season two. Yep. And that's it. And is it? Yeah, there's nothing else. What are you talking about? Nothing to do with them.  The multiverse movie. Yeah, you're right. No reference to Kang in that. Yeah. What are you talking about? The phase four and five led to him. I just I don't know how much. Yeah, how much are people really tied and invested into Kang? I don't think much at all. I don't. That's what I feel. I don't feel like they're invested in that big of a deal from the audience perspective. They're invested in what he might mean. That's not what he is. Yeah, exactly. Because I find it so there was a there was like a trailer for the Marvel's recent one where I think I think the text on screen said be there for what comes next and as the text faded away, the X in next stayed there for a little bit longer. And to me, that just felt like so indicative of kind of the nature of how Marvel works. It's always about what's next. It's never about what's happening right now. It's always the potential. The teaser for the future. The simplest calculation. Why is that good? Well, because it references this. And why is that good? Because I like that. It's like, yeah, but that's not. Maybe I'll see something. I imagine it in my head and the anticipation of it is more exciting than the actual thing. And instead of reflecting on what that means in terms of my approach to movies, I'm just going to accept it and continue to run with it even when it yields these results. What I'm curious about now is I wonder I wonder what his angle is going to be for the Marvel's. I wonder if he now is going to jump ship on that one and abandon the Marvel's and leave it. He'll see what the sentiment is going to sort of be. Yeah, he'll wait and see what you look like. Yeah, he'll he'll talk about how he's excited and everything, but he'll leave himself room to be able to walk out and say, boy, that was so disappointing. Everything I said was true. Like and subscribe. Like it's moving forward from Kang into with into Doctor Doom. Don't get me excited. I'm super excited to see Doctor Doom. But I'm sure you are. Kang would feel like such a disservice to everything we've gotten up to this point. You did. Name them. Name it. Yeah.  I'll be nice and say there is a there is something to what he's saying in terms of like there's nothing else. What else has been built up? So like, well, yeah, there isn't anything. There's nothing we're heading toward, except Kang is going to be a bad guy who does stuff. That's basically all we've done. So you got that. But like, who cares? I guess he's treating it as though he's like such a waste. It's like. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Interest or input a disclaimer at the start of his new video asking react streamers to wait 48 hours before re-uploading their stream to YouTube. Oh, yeah. Interesting. I feel like this is indicative of the steps that we said are going to happen eventually pushing further and further forward. And this isn't because necessarily of the the, you know, recognized statistical damage reactors have done. It's more so, I think the reaction reactors had to being called out. Yeah, exactly. They could have covered this well and chill, but instead like they decided to jump in front of the Japanese house. Yeah, you've got some interesting reactions. I'm not going to lie. With Loki with no way home with multi risk of madness with one. What? What's he doing in my home instead of Loki? You see how he's strong when there is one? Yeah, because he was like with Loki with.  Yeah, do it. And what? Say my name. And what in Loki is set up? Tell me, what is it that you've said? What are you waiting for? What do you know about Kang as a character? And the first question should be, well, which one? What one? When one? Because he who remains cringe name is not Kang. Yes. What's up the Lord behind the multiverse continuing to tease the law? I am unless that act like Marvel hasn't recasted people before and Kang is arguably the easiest person to ever recast because he just has a million different I don't like. All the variants have suspiciously looking exactly like him. All are him. Yeah, it's it's kind of the funny thing. Spider-Man can get away with it.  Many, many. Sometimes it's not even really the controversy. You know, if you have like a really crappy actor or an actor that no one likes getting recast, nobody really cares. Even if in the narrative, it's wonky. It's more so I feel the meta stuff actually bleeds more into this. It's so high profile recasting Jonathan Majors. Everyone recognizes what's happening. What's happening and why? Yeah, you can give all of the in universe, blah, blah, blah that you want. No one's going to be thinking about that. They'll be like, no, he punched his girlfriend. That's why. If that's yeah, if that ends up being it, that's we all know there's no like, oh, well, it makes sense. It's like. Make sense.  So you could literally just have, let's say Marvel wants to recast with John Boyega with John David Washington. He ain't coming back. We're going to have that variant of Kang that's played by that actor coming in mop all of the other Kings. And right there, you have that are really hearing to the threat of him. For some reason, John Boyega comes back and then there's a scene of him killing all of the the Jonathan Majors. Kang's like. Why? Sure, it's an after credit series just stabbing them all of the land that is way more medicine than any of the other Kings we've gotten in the past. And that is I thought that's what the quantum manual was supposed to be. Yeah, I thought they'd built up. I thought they were building stuff up, buddy. What do you mean that he's not met a single threatening? Yeah, I thought that it's like, oh, Kang may have been a professional clown before material. But now they were building up. An easy way to just recast Kang and set up a new Kang bearing to be the ultimate crescendo piece that's going to bring the entire multiverse together. Now, another thing this variety article mentioned, do you see that, though, the implication that if we can just do that, we're good. And we're good. As if like, what? No, it's such a horrible mess right now. And he said it's in shambles. That's right. We could just call the MCU was in shambles dot dot dot. And which absolutely on someone just said, yeah, didn't. Isn't the start of Kang's story that he killed all the other Cags? Yeah. Like, so I guess, yeah, we're going to do it again, but with a different look in Cags. My mind that seeps into that imagery was what they were talking about when it comes to the Blade movie that's supposed to start Mahershala Ali. This was a film that was announced in 2019. And I want to make it very clear that, guys, this wasn't a movie that Marvel originally had planned. Mahershala Ali, after winning an Oscar called Kevin Feige and said, I want to do Blade. That is the most like home run, knock it out of the park. Easiest thing to do. Just a solid standalone Blade film with Mahershala Ali. And that's it. And this I don't even know if that's true, by the way, but if it is, yes. If it is, yeah, I mean, you've got the actor who wants to do it. Everyone knows about Blade. It would be a cool sort of thing, especially if it was like tonally just different than everything else. And it's this cool standalone kind of idea with vampires in it. And swords and guns and stuff is like, OK, you know, Disney could dip their tone to that and see how it does. And I mean, it doesn't have to be a high budget thing. Could be fun, could be cool. You might earn yourself a lot of brownie points with people. So it has been development for years.  It's not like that's been happening with everything else, except with creatives that are actually kind of OK with just accepting that as fact.  You don't care. They're just like, give me the script. I'll say the thing, whatever, whatever this is. Yeah, I like that.  I'll take it. Let's do it. Meanwhile, someone like Mahesh Lali was a little bit like, I no, no, no, I want to make I want to make an actual film. I want to make a good movie. Yeah. We've got some details on what's been going on with all of the different scripts. Apparently, at one point, one of the scripts had the story revolving around a group of women teaching us life lessons. And Blade was the fourth most important character in the movie. So I guess he has a he has a decision to make then about what his angle is going to be on this. Yeah, I'm wondering. Yeah, which I'm more curious about these sorts of decisions than what he's actually saying. What are you going to take with this knowledge? Well, the easiest angle is making Blade the fourth lead in his own movie in a blade movie. Yeah. Let's you know, I think that's probably what he's going to do. I mean, he's probably not going to say this is in a long line of trying to replace all these characters with, you know, that the guy might. I mean, remember South Park was out at this point. So that's true. But I'm curious. Let's see. All right. First of all, I don't reference if anyone knows what I'm talking about with that. It's just that with South Park having said it, it just makes it easier for everyone to say it as simple as that. Your stand. How in any film your title character could be the fourth. Yes, there you go. Let alone having that character be played by Oscar winning actor Mahershala Ali. Like you can have Oscar winning characters that are fourth main by side. Yeah. I guess the whole thing is it. But like, did you complain about this with all the other Marvel stuff where you have the character or by like getting a stellar Scott Scott playing random scientist who barely gets any screen time?  No. It's like, yeah, because you're allowed to have. He was naked at Stonehenge. His greatest role, obviously. The finding role is career. What happens to us just getting a movie about a dude killing vampire? It makes me think about like Lutheran's speech and whatever he kind of pauses and looks away. It cuts him running around naked at Stonehenge. And then he just goes back to his speech. You have to play some sad piano music as well every time. And it's in black and white. Do do do do do do. Do do do do do do. I've had to use the enemy's tactics. I'm doomed to use the tactics of my enemy. I have to sacrifice everything. Stonehenge. I just make that as a meme. Please send it to me. I'm sure they will if you ask for it. I'm saucing people up. That's literally all we're asking for. Again, it's the easiest thing on the surface. It's the easiest thing to do. But now, again, on we're looking to the bright side now. Kevin Feige basically saw that and he said, OK, so screw. Oh, I did Kevin. OK, yeah, cool. All right, smart man. Like you found a way to get past it without talking about it. And you just talk about how it's yes, it's just interesting.   What you want to say, you know, I fight. Yeah, through all of that, you're all fired. I'm hiring the writer of Logan. I'm mad. I don't get. Why is this? What is this like? Feige like obsession that's so weird. Because he's gone. I love that we do like like crediting Feige for cleaning up all the shit on the floor when he was the one who shot when he hired all these people. He's the producer. They're all called a Kevin Feige production.  I was like, what do you mean? Kevin's cleaning house after he hired all these people. And Mahershala was already ready to leave the project because there's been so much going on with it behind the scenes that now the writer of Logan, who is obviously a very competent writer, Logan is one of the greatest. Name one other film that he's written.  It's like, do you even know anything else that he's written? Do you even know he existed until the article mentioned him? Now he's writing the new script and Mahershala is still on board. So hopefully this blade movie actually turns a turn takes a turn for the better and we can finally get this film. And apparently, you know, one of the tidbits that they had in there was that the film is now being made to it's now being made with a budget that's projected to be under a hundred million dollars. So it'd be one of the cheaper Marvel film. I think we talked about it feels to me like a blade film can be done for a pretty cheap maybe maybe not.  You know, yeah. Why? Most of it, it's going to be mostly like it's a contemporary setting. You can buy a smoke machine, go into some nightclubs and some industrial areas. Every once in a while, you have a transformation of a vampire. Have all the vampire make up be, you know, you know, your CG is mainly in the killing of the vampires and yeah, which should be too difficult. Do here. What was Van Helsing? I think that was high. It was expensive. Yeah. Well, Van Helsing was a hundred sixty million. Yeah. Who's high? Well, I guess the more relevant one. I'm told was only seven million. More relevant one would be the first blade was forty five million. Yes. That's the better comparison. Yo, Underworld was twenty two million. Oh, yeah, those movies are pretty cheap. In terms of budget. Remember Resident Evil movies, they're pretty cheap. And they made lots of money. When it comes to a blade film, that's definitely a film they can make for under a hundred million dollars because the action could be so practical. You know, the action, the O. G. Wesley Snipes movies were was fire itself. I agree. In fact, no action in movies. Well, he obviously is referring to like physical stuff. It's like, so let me get this straight in terms of my criticism here. I think he's completely wrong. The the action in a blade film.  Like, blade requires a lot of CG work because when he kills a vampire, they have to turn to like a fiery dust. It's you can't do that really physically. It's pretty difficult. Like, yeah, it depends on how many vampires he kills and how often. But if you if you kept your CGI sort of relegated to that kind of thing, it probably wouldn't be too bad. Well, sure. But like to say that blade, especially is the one that we can do practically is like, I wouldn't say especially, I would say, like, do isn't like it doesn't need to be particularly CGI intensive. Like at the top of the scale, you'll have a maybe Superman or like Doctor Strange where it's like, well, most of this is going to have to be CG, because it's, you know, like how else I guess Superman is ways around it, of course. But well, maybe Aquaman, right? That'd be like, yeah. And then lower end of the scale. I don't know. Daredevil, I'd say. Yeah, that's pretty much you need someone who's acrobatic, relatively strong. And then they can sort of sort everything out. But, you know, yeah, blade is not someone I sort of. I just wouldn't associate it with like, oh, that's low on the CG requests. I'm so low. Yeah, but not like. Yeah, lower than the highest, of course. And I don't know where I'd rate him, but it's just that I don't know. It's still a lot of work needs to be done. I would want it to still look awesome. You know, they could do now today in the present day with someone like Mahershala Lee. Sign me up. I just hope Marvel. Well, I'm glad Marvel made the necessary steps because I swear to God, if we got a blade movie where they've made the necessary steps. And it's the movie is just led by just this thing, your life lessons and blade is just in the background over there. People are kind of I wasn't going to say anything, but I guess I'm guessing. Well, yeah, I mean that. Yeah, that could be like a joints thing or it could be just yeah, they kind of go outwards. Yeah, that's a fire that's been happening over at Marvel Studios for a while. Now, it's how they've been handing the Disney plus shows. You know, yes, because that is the narrative. That's the narrative. It's really the problem. Tell me about the shows. That's weird, because I thought people could easily acknowledge at least some of the films being trash always. Some of the movies have been bad. Yeah, I mean, remember, well, it's just, you know, because I imagine that he buys into the accepted ones, right? Eternals is bad. Quantum Mania is bad. What would be what's another? I thought Love and Thunder is probably in the mix as well. Yeah, that one's safe. Yeah, those are the safe ones. Yeah, those are the safe ones. You won't say what kind of forever or multiverse of madness. Yeah, I think. Yeah, multiverse of madness. I mean, yeah, he said, again, is good. He said Shang Chi, which is an interesting one, because again, please tell me anything that happened in that movie. Yeah, he knew territory for Marvel when it comes to Phase Four and Phase Five, because they didn't need to worry about no Disney Plus shows when it came to the Infinity Saga. But now when it comes to Disney Plus, Marvel has been making the necessary adjustments to actually make these shows and uphold the quality that we're used to. I have they been making the necessary. OK, oh, well, OK, then I thought he was going to say we've been we've been making them to reflect like the story lines to include them to have them support the movie.  Secret invasion. The most re-enloyal. Daredevil, the show and Punisher, the show and even take agent Carter, agents of shields. Different vision, though. No, just the point being that if you're going to talk about it in a broad sense of Marvel TV shows that were happening at that point and that the ones now are being raised to the film's quality, it's like, what do you mean? They're way worse. They are. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Well, it seems like he's he's he's made a mistake that he doesn't recognize. He's like extrapolated something that wasn't even present in the article, which is that changes are being made to the way that films the TV shows are going to be produced in the future that will make them better. Because again, the vast majority of the stuff that's going to be coming out for the next year has already been shot, like iron hearts being shot, echoes being shot and is now coming out.  Oh, Arcanus. Oh, yeah, that one's mainly shot, too. So it's like what changes and how do you even know that they're making the necessary changes when none of that has manifested in something that you can actually watch and verify? Why would you talk about it? Like it's a foregone conclusion that everything's better. Yeah, they've just there's no reason to believe it. Nothing's happening. The writer's strike just ended and the after strike is still going. Nothing's happening right now. How like, well, the irony as well, say these things is that if you look at the changes they plan to make for the TV shows, all they're doing is doing it as it's been done by everyone else for some reason. They didn't do that.  Exactly. And plus, the fact that apparently we're dead, well, they're going to be reusing some of the stuff that they already shot rather than starting completely all over again makes me wonder. It's like, yeah, I don't know if that's the total overhaul that everybody kind of wants. That seems like it could yield some really bad results. When it comes to Daredevil Born again, we recently heard that they completely scrapped everything that they know not true.  Yeah. And also with their track record, maybe they got rid of a lot of good stuff and are just replaced. Yeah, the big that's the fundamental big problem. They don't know what good is. They have no idea. Well, one of the one of the one of the things that was brought up was Daredevil doesn't suit up until episode four. That doesn't mean anything to me good or bad. That there's nothing for me to. But like the fact that that was perceived as a necessarily bad thing is like us, you still don't get it. That could be good that we don't see him suit up for several episodes. It could be good that it's more of like a conventional courtroom. Even if it's not, you know, like the like the Netflix show. It's starting over completely fresh with showrunners and they actually got the same showrunners that ran the OG Netflix Punisher show with. Yeah, which you see how we almost what you want to hear when he says the the OG like, oh, Punisher. You're like, wait, well, that's not Daredevil. Why didn't you say Daredevil? They got to do a show who's done shows before. It's not.  That's like the easy thing like that team doesn't exist in some coherent like single way anymore. They're probably all working on different things. It's Jovo. Super exciting. And they also have the same directors that directed the majority of the Loki episodes coming to know, which means nothing really to me, if anything, that's a bad sign. Yeah, if the people who made Loki believe that what they made with Loki was top tier, it's like, oh, right. Daredevil won again. So I'm super optimistic about that. And I'm glad again, Marvel. But you never would if the if the opposite was nothing changed and they were moving forward with Daredevil won again as it was. You'd still think it was good, probably, probably. Yeah, maybe you wouldn't. That's like, I need you to tell me what was a bad project and why and what was a good project and why. When were you ever concerned about a project before Variety told you that you should be concerned about it or the Hollywood reporter or deadline? Yeah, this video incidentally comes out now and it's about this article. Hmm. All right. All right. Because when when they make these moves, they know this isn't going to look good to the public. They know they know when it's announced that they're scrapping everything they've done for Daredevil born again and starting over fresh. That's not a good look. But there's still going to go through that in order to give us the best is so funny to me. Like, all right, there we go. The silver lining with every single thing that ever happens. Like, it's good that they've done this because it's something that they know could be bad to be seen doing it. So that's good. It looks really bad. And that's why it's so good. You know, when they reshot Secret Invasion, it's because they knew that they didn't have a good script and they're putting in all of the effort that they need to do all the necessary changes to make it the best show ever, which is good, even if it's horrible. Product they could possibly make and props to Marvel for that. One thing that was mentioned in this article is that the sheer of series cost over two hundred and twenty five million dollars. That's been known for a while to put that into perspective information. That's more expensive than the budget for the first Avengers movie. Well, is that true with adjusting for inflation? No, probably not. It's been 10 years and inflation, you know, it's kind of gone up over. Which is really important. A lot of people say it and see it as like a dismissible thing. But when you adjust for inflation, it tells you the actual answer. That's the point of that. Well, it's the important thing with inflation as well as box office gross. Like, dudes, yeah, you make the same amount of money. Ten years later, it ain't the same amount of money. Yep. Don't know how that's possible, but I digress. Now, guys, I highly recommend you guys go and check out this article and read it for yourself. Oh, is he excited? Imagine he's on the boat of She-Hulk is bad as well, right? That's like that's one of the more accepted surely. Yeah. If he's against the TV shows somewhat, then that's got to be one of the ones that goes down because there's just a lot of stuff in there. But the biggest thing he's not going to say anything about like Falcon in the winter. So oh my God, he's about to talk about the Marvels, I think. Oh, no. And this entire article is that Marvel has been discussing plans to revive Robert Downey Jr. Oh, no, no, no. Scarlett Johansson, Tony Stark and Black Widow and I don't think the article said that's what they're considering. No, the article said that that was loaded in possibility. Yeah, like that's like I think the article said like that is an option that could be pursued. I don't think the article ever ever said, yeah, this is something they're thinking about doing. Or that they're actually making meaningful plans to do it right. Yeah. Bringing back the original adventures for a new adventures movie. Now, there are multiple ways you can look at this. When I hear the word, the only there's one way to look at it. That's hilarious and embarrassing. Yeah. And yeah, that's it. It will not happen. There's no real like it's not going to happen.  What a great idea. Like, OK. Reviving Tony Stark and reviving Black Widow. To me, that sounds like they're actually reviving the characters that made those amazing. Oh, my God. All right. He didn't read the article. He didn't read the article or he skimmed it or. I don't remember the word reviving being in the article at all. Does he think this is a good idea? Well, we'll see. Sacrifices that made Avengers Endgame so special. And the thought of that is insane because it would completely take away what made Endgame so special. There you go. Good. Yes. Tony Stark's funeral. OK, there we go. Sacrifice for the soul stone. Look at you guys. That is what made Endgame so special. And if they revive these characters, it completely takes away all of that. Oh, my God. Look at you go. It's completely different than Tony Stark and Black Widow appearing as variants of themselves and sequel. Oh, OK. Well, OK, he gets he gets like half a point, point two, five. You get like half credit for like starting to have the correct idea and pooping on it. But at least you have something to poop on. Yeah, no, I'm sure. You know, we were right there, man. He would you bait it. That's right. We were jubated. Yeah, we were jubated. We all expected that. We all expect that first half. That's what's going to I don't care if we expect them to do something.  It's going to be a ton of variants of different Marvel characters. We all know and love that we all grew up with coming together and interacting with other. I got to say, I hate the term variant because it implies that there's like some actual like validity to it. Like an original.  I don't like the term variant. Oh, that right. Yeah, I thought you would say like the fact that it almost makes it sound like it's an accepted thing that we all know is coming and is good and is a part of stories variants. It's like, no, no, no, of course not. No, the variants. Same Tom McGuire, Spider-Man, interact with you, Jackman. So this gives you the insight that this is the kind of lad this is. He loves this stuff. He would Marvel is sitting there watching this video gone, uh-huh, Toby McGuire, Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah. Well, with that on the list, writing in their note, how much money we can give them. Robert Downey, Jr.'s Iron Man. Now, it's not going to be the same Iron Man that we know from endgame. It'll be a variant. Don't worry. It'll be great. It'll be a very different actor. And he sounds the same. That would still be pretty damn epic. And that's what we are. Why? Why? Why? That would be an epic victory, Royale. Why? Because he likes Iron Man. And it means that he doesn't have to worry about the sacrifice being undermined in textual formats. It's just cool to have him back. He gets to win for him. He gets the key jangle without it ruining anything that came before. OK. That's what we all expect out of Secret Wars. But that. What do you expect? I don't know, man. Well, to be fair, I do expect that, but not for the same reasons he does. Not because it's a good thing, because that's a bad, splicey.  Yeah. Is not what this article sounds like it's referring to. This article is saying it's reviving Tony Stark and Black Widow. And to me, when I hear that, no, it's not once for a second. Is that ever here? Anyway, I guess I did they use the term reviving in the article? Let me double check. Let me take a look. I don't remember. I feel like if they had, we would have talked about it, right? All right. This would include reviving, Robert. Let's see. With Iger publicly acknowledging the downside of a Marvel TV glut that diluted focus and attention, the keepers of the comic book empire are considering some dramatic moves. Sources say there have been talks to bring back the original gang for an Avengers movie. This would include reviving Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man and Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow, both of whom were killed off an in-game. Does this article consider low key to have been revived, for instance? Well, this is what I was going to say. The disconnect I have with this guy, I guess, is that I never would have thought they meant bringing like reviving, like actually bringing back the characters that died in those films. I assumed it was a multi-verse thing. Yeah, considering the era that we're in. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought they'd bring back those specific comics from it. But but you know what? Maybe they would. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I would. Maybe I shouldn't rule it out. Maybe he's right. Anyone's saying that Marvel's reviving Hugh Jackman's Wolverine? No, because this Wolverine we're seeing in Deadpool 3 is just a. No, I think the director said that Logan's canon, my man. So maybe it is actually. Well, I was going to say, how does he? OK, so this is actually. It's confusing because Logan's continuity expresses that it's within the timeline of like, at least it's got it's got references to the Wolverine in there, right? It's got the sword. The problem is it's complicated because it's like it's like things ran that played out the same, but some things were different. And I think Deadpool, I think Deadpool is in the timeline of Logan and not like the timeline that led up to Days of Future Past. It's very confusing because Logan, I don't think anyone thinks of the X-Men universe as like Logan is the sequel to some of the like, even though you could, I don't think it feels that. You know, like if you draw a map of like the franchises, when it goes like, say, for example, Halloween, one Halloween, two Halloween, three, and then you have the reboot. It like will draw lines in different directions. It wouldn't like continue in the same vein or a spin-offs or ones that are set years before in a different way. Or maybe it is kind of like years after, but regards to different characters, just like these Logan is like seen as a it's on a bit of an island, that film, but in the same vein, I guess, what the Wolverine is to and X-Men Origins Wolverine, then I don't think they're seen as like episodes episodes like four, five and six in the X-Men box universe, even though there is the sharing continuity. If you know what I mean, not like X-Men one, two, three, where it's like, oh, yeah, that's a it's all the following story. Logan is the prequel to X-Men one. No, it isn't. Well, it's set way further forward. Yeah, well, it's even the latest in the timeline. Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't the idea that they they cured mutants or whatever and they all got killed slash cured is not the future that we're in. What happened was that it was that Charles Xavier had like an episode when, you know, how I had the thing where. Oh, yeah. But it's not just it's not just the X-Men themselves. It's also mutants in general, right? It's basically more mutants left. Yeah. I can't remember if that's taking from which of the many continuities potential because you have days of future past and first class and apocalypse. So as I understand it, it's the days of future past is like the inflection, like that's where it starts to divide. Right. So you have the original timeline that plays out, but then like apocalypse, dark phoenix, I think the Deadpool movies, they're like from days of future past afterward in a different timeline. And which one is Logan attached to? Logan is the like the second timeline. So that'd be, you know, days of future past travels back in time, stops the stops the sentinels. Oh, by the way, Vox are now correct. They weren't back when we first covered them in episode, I think 11 or 10 of EFAP, where they said the continuity in the Fox universe is far better than the MCUs. We laughed at them for that, but they are now correct. Yes, they are. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah. Different variant, or he's coming from a different point in time. But at no point was anyone saying, oh, Marvel's reviving Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, because they've said it multiple times that the low that the Wolverine and Logan is completely separate from the Wolverine we're going to see in Deadpool three. Whatever that means. No, but they know they've sent mixed messages. You can say this all you want, but they've definitely sent mixed messages on. And come in. There's an elephant in the room here. There's a lot of people take issue with bringing him back in any way, shape or form. In general, exactly, because he had a story that ended. So even if you say, like, oh, yeah, but it's a variant that's like that doesn't really address the fundamental point, which is he had a story it's over. And now you're dragging him back because you need to make some more money. Yeah. But there's there's a sense that the more we see him after is, you know, ending to his story, that the less that ending is his ending. It's more so just an episode. Exactly. And I mean, he has to understand that, right? You think so. When it comes to all of this multiverse and if someone said, like, oh, so no more Wolverine is like no more Hugh Jackman Wolverine. That's kind of your Jackman Wolverine, different guy, different character, different actor, change the actor and people will be like, it's so easy to know that it's a different one if you change the actor. That's the number one we all agree that it's a really difficult character to, you know, do well after how well Hugh Jackman did it. But that we'd all be willing to give someone a shot who's well cast, right? Yeah, there's been plenty of James Bond's song. You can bring him back to O.G. Avengers. I think we all kind of expected that the original O.G. Avengers would come back and something like see their nose. I don't want to be clear. I don't want them to.  But now I'm not so sure because they need to pay them more money than probably afford to get them back as we talked about. Yeah, we know met a reasons for why like I don't believe Scarlett Hans would ever come back. Maybe I'm wrong. Why would she after what happened? She as much as you could say like, well, it's just a matter of money, right? And it's like maybe, but she's also super into the art of filmmaking from what I gather. Exactly. She also has. She has money.  Yeah, she might as well. There's a lot of people where like they get so rich. They're like, it just doesn't matter anymore. Like what am I going to spend this? Like I've got enough. I want to do me stuff now. I hear the term reviving Tony Stark and reviving Black Widow. To me, one, there's no longevity in that because these these characters and these actors have already dedicated over a decade of their lives. Now, I guess though, the the counter would be if Marvel could get a guaranteed W from it, they just do it, even if they knew there wouldn't be multiples of them. He said there's no longevity because we know that they've already put so much of their lives into it. Like the implication being they wouldn't give much more or whatever. It's just like, well, we we never know how long you're handsome. She's not that old, man. Well, she's not old. She's fit. It goes both ways, though. Like we could have we could have, you know, Harrison Ford is joining the MCU as Ross Sue. It's like, how long are we going to have him for? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, he could be one movie or at this point. Yeah.  Like the idea that's like, well, you know, that that means we can't get invested because Robert Downey Jr. probably wouldn't come back for more than one. It's like, what argument is that I've been invested in characters that only showed up for parts of a you know, I've been invested in characters who, yeah, you know, a lot of movies don't have sequels. Did you know that a lot of them don't have sequels to these roles and realistically speaking, Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson. Chris Evans is probably not coming back. It seems like he's very much done as well. He's ready to move on. I don't know. It's just he said a lot of things that seem indicative of like, yeah, I'm a bit tired of it. Like it kind of it went for a long time and I'd rather do other things. Could be, could be.  I'd be like, huh, OK. Yeah. Meanwhile, if it's either Scarlett Johansson or Robert Downey Jr., I'm going to be like really, really. Yes, that would be more surprising. OG gang, they're not going to come back and just reprise these roles consistently the way they used to in the Infinity Saga that revolved completely around them. They said goodbye to their characters. They've already had that moment that that where we sat down during the end credit during the credits of endgame and we saw all other signatures and that was their goodbye wave to the to the audience. They've already had that moment.  But that's not true.  Well, so that's better is still here. And if and even if they didn't come back consistently, if they only showed up one more time, why is that like a disaster in your mind? Why is that unfathomable and untenable? And you know, it's so funny to me because it's just like it's this Marvel. They'll do anything. If it's going to work, we'll do it. I'm I've I've put it as there's like different sort of flags to let let everyone know like what stages we're at. And one of the big ones was bringing back Iron Man. That was like a big like, oh, we're in serious trouble. But the ultimate like I don't think it gets any worse than having something like Iron Man fighting Darth Vader. That's where it's like, oh, where it's dead. It's all dead. Disney's actually dead. Yeah, Star Wars theory would think that's I'm sure. Oh, and then when you got to have Mickey Mouse there as well, though, right? Yeah, but it's Palpatine. So, you know, when you know, like in episode three, he goes on a little bit of power to get up. Yeah, that's right. Even if they revived Tony Stark and Black Widow for a new Avengers movie, to me, that takes man, he's obsessed with this particular which is the fact that it was the end game. It was us saying bye to the journey that we've been on for the past 10 years. True. Well, but the funny thing, of course, it's like, well, should he say just buy those two?  To me, it's just to move that screams desperation because Marvel knows we're at this great time with them. Sure. I'm sorry. A white vision series isn't going to bring the MCU back to its glory days. Is that actually happening? What if it was what? But what if it was incredible? What if it was like the most I don't know. I think maybe I'm with him that even if even if it was 11 out of 10, right, it wouldn't matter. It just wouldn't matter. How many 11 how many 11 out of 10 does it take a lot? It's the exact same thing in reverse now. In order to get their ship back, they have to make great things again and again and again and again. Distantly. Getting one or two is not enough that you need because great things that were like established, well recognized series. That's like that makes it easier because more people are likely to pay. But like we've seen it out somehow to be incredible. Very few people are going to watch that show. We're going to see it, I hope, with Game of Thrones overall reputation, right?  There's some crossover here and there, all new characters here could be good. You watch season one for the purpose of review and that black cloud is gone for me. It's like now season two is coming out. I can be a part of promoting it, you know, just by being a normal person who says the show looks good and is good, if it's good. What I guess I'm saying is that if they create a season two and three that says good as season one, then by the time we hit the end of season three, we're going to be like, oh, God, what else have you got? Give us another one.  But with Marvel, yeah, if they did, if they did White Vision, the TV show, it was incredible.  They have to call it White Vision. I think it's called Vision Quest, right? Yes. Oh, no, is it? Yeah, I think so. Yep. And, you know, you need that to be good.  You have to be great to pull everyone back in. Need superstars in the game. The X men are on the bench right now. It's not that's really not the like he's not entirely right, as in like, you know, like the part of the problem with that White Vision show would be if it were great. It's like, well, it's about a robot that people don't even understand from a show.  You know what I mean? It's like, but if it were a TV show simply called Wolverine and it was it was it was amazing. It's like, yeah, that would that would faster regenerate the MCU. That's true. Just because I get more eyeballs. The thing is, though, he seems to be focused on the fact that it needs to be about stars when it's like, well, the more important thing is the writing, but also making it about characters.  It's time to cue them in the fantastic for we know we're on the way. All of the characters in Deadpool three, we know they're on the way. Everything that's going down in secours, that's going to be fire. Is it? Why? How do you know that? Is it? You said that the MCU is in shambles and yet that's going to be fire. OK, it is. But Marvel needs to put the superstars back in the game because when it comes to Phase Four, you know, someone actually did the math. We've met 57 new superheroes.  That's what they was 57 then. OK. And oh my God.  How many superheroes are introduced in Phase One, Two and Three? What, like seven? Well, it's probably like I'm including like even Falcon, you know, like. Well, Falcon was Phase Two. That's why I said Phase One, Two and Three. Oh, Phase One, Two and Three. Oh. I guess it probably would have been comparable, right? How many of them were there? I will. So the big question is were they more introduced in Phase Four than they were in Phase One, Two and Three, but together, I wonder.  I'm not sure. Obviously, we can't really do that right now, but still it'll be interesting. Alone. And at this point in time, we don't know the next time we're going to see Shang-Chi. We don't know the next time we're going to see the Eternals. That's not the problem. It's really not actually the problem at all. You have to make them good. You have to make these movies good. You have to make these character. It doesn't matter how many. If they came seven shitty characters, then why would I care?  If they came with like a thing at the end or a very sterile person room, it's just it's just like, you will see the Eternals in three more projects. Bye. Doesn't make it better. OK, it's like, what am I supposed to do with this? Yep. No, if you want to get people butts in seats and you want to get people invested in the MCU again. You got to write it well. Simple. You have to write it well. The writing has to be good. Characters have to be likeable and endearing. You have to bring in the superstars that people actually care about outside of the movie. You know the fastest way to put people off the MCU of being to bring in the superstars and write them badly. I have to say, if you make X-Men and it sucks, it's over.  You're finished. The X-Men have always been Marvel's most popular group of characters.  Yeah, well, they haven't always been. I mean, Dark Phoenix failed like it doesn't mean in the comics they were. But in the comics, well, I mean, you Spider-Man, you know, X-Men was really popular in the 90s, like in the early 2000s. But now it's, you know, it's not quite not quite the case. There's and they've always been really, you know, like they've always been a bit out of the comics for sure. Well, at least it's the most popular group. So Spider-Man wouldn't necessarily be the competition. But Fantastic Four would be the competition, I guess. But X-Men is more popular and fantastic for. Not when Marvel started, right? Fantastic Four before X-Men. Not much before, like a year or but but enough that they would have had a time in the spotlight to be like the most popular group and then they become the most popular group in, you know, eras, right? Because I mean, Avengers must have been pretty popular at some point. Oh, just it depends on what time you talk about. Like, yeah, because the 90s was like the height of the popularity of like action. Right, yeah. Just I'm in 2019 and they've just been sitting on the bench now while we're getting freaking a White Vision series, a Wonder Man series, an Echo series, Agatha, Iron Heart, all that stuff.  Who cares? Like, pop that out. Yeah, go. But when they sit and they're like, how are we going to do X-Men? It's like, how are we going to implement that as the MCU? When should we? Should we do it now or later? Or should it be the results of some big event or should it just be something that's always happened? It probably is a nightmare to try and make it work when it's funny because they shouldn't be spending that much time on it considering they don't spend any time on making anything makes sense. But then again, it's just going to be bad anyway. What I'm trying to say is like, there's probably a reason why it takes a while to consider how to implement the X-Men. They've given us Hugh Jackman Wolverine as like a big, you know, mutant to go for not necessarily first, because isn't Miss Marvel supposed to be a mutant now or something? Yeah, I guess so.  Really brave way to do it would be to have the X-Men team be comprised of the original team and not Wolverine. So like the main character would be Cyclops instead of Wolverine. I don't think that would do that.  Yeah, that'll do it. That's the way that's where we start, of course. Of course. That's the easiest way to do it. Whereas the more interesting way would be if you have the original team that didn't have Wolverine in it.  Oh, yes. They just tried it with that guy. They do it and they screw it up. It'll be catastrophic. I mean, that's the thing X-Men and Fantastic Four are like the last things that they have left. Did they screw both of them up? Then I'll say this.   Is Deadpool looks like Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are pretty involved in that. They're pretty they're pretty level headed with what works.  It's going to be a violent movie with some jokes, right? It's not going to be like a terribly written mess, right?  But I guess the thing that's got working in this favor is that if it's Deadpool three bringing in a lot of stock and capital from like Ryan Reynolds, that is kind of unique compared to most Marvel productions where this is something that's being brought in where I think that's like their co-production like Ryan Reynolds is a producer on it. It's just that because the Deadpool films like existed beyond the MCU, there's a lot of other stuff that gets tied up in it like that. Yeah, because it's production companies part of it. Yeah, we'll say. And a lot of that stuff I just mentioned, some of that stuff is actually exciting. But again, with the current state of the MCU, they need to bring superstars in the game because this is what people want. It's not the problem at all. It's like a close. This is what the fans want and this is what people are going to show up for it. And at the end of the day, that's why Secret Wars is going to be what it's going to be.  That's a lot of people want to describe it because Marvel. Yeah, which is really bad when it's becoming more and more popular sentiment to just shit on that.  It's cynical. It's reflective of the kind of the world that we're in right now. It's already over. It's I mean, it's kind of funny, right?  Everybody's already getting pretty tired of it. So it's only been a couple of years and now you have to hope that people remain excited about it for several years when people already kind of view it as cynical by and large. No, no. Yes, no. Secret was the only way they're going to get secret wars to compete to a fraction of what Avengers Endgame made at the box office, which Avengers Endgame. No, it's not possible. No, no, no, no. Happening. It's just not happening. No way. No way. I don't even think there's a way to do that in the perfect environment. Like, I don't think there's anything that can be done. I think it's over. I think it's over.  It's over. There's a we could have it perfectly written with like combining all the storylines of everybody in phases four and five, bringing in characters that are really well sort of supported and meaningful. I just know there's a cap on this film now. It didn't used to be necessarily like with a lot of stuff.  How are you actually going to make nearly three billion dollars? I don't know about that. The highest grossing movie of all time when it came out. So the only way they're going to get sick or to match those numbers or potentially even surpass it. No. Is by bringing back the characters that people are invested in. No, no, no, no, no. Stop. Quit. By the way, it's like you're up these ideas.  There's people up there, executives, producers that say all of this probably the only way this is going to work, guys, if we bring in Robert Johnny Jr.'s Iron Man, the only way it's going to work is the only way we're going to get numbers like a game ever again. Anyway, then some other guys like, you know, it's not.  It's the reality is they might have to just they might have to do the work. I don't think you can't do shortcuts anymore. Oh, yeah, dude, the big sad reality for them in that board room is that you like put it in briefcase of the table open up. There's just one sheet of paper that just says you've got to work work hard. That's it. Sorry, guys, we might have to work. There's no secret answer to this. You've just got to work real hard for real long. And that's it. And we haven't had enough time with all of these new characters that we've met to truly invest, to truly be in. Yeah, go. We're just going to have good time with a number of them.  Worked well with M.O.M. Right.  They were like, all right, tossing Professor Axe Charles David. The only way we're going to make the kind of money we need to make is if we have Professor Axe Charles David. Yes, yes, yes, get in there.  Patrick Stewart, especially off we can get him. Yeah, that's great. OK, next up, Reed Richards. Can we get him? It's like, oh, fancast. Yeah, that's going to be great.  Like, I don't know. I don't know if they thought like that's going to bring in the money, which even in the trailers was that like that was a complete surprise, right? Like at least intended. The the, you know, the Illuminati members, the only one that was in the trailer for sure was Professor Axe, right? Captain Carter. Wait, did they they showed in the trick show? Because we knew the cast before the film, but that was because of leaks, but in the trailers, I'm pretty sure they only show Professor Axe, I think. And Mordo, we would have known about.  That's the only way that we're going to be able to get this film to the price tag that it will get to. And you know what, that that guy probably feels justified. Like, see, I was right. That's the reason. Invested in them. The way we were with Captain America, Tony Stark, Thor. No, to get invested in them, you have to write the stories. You need power. You can't just have them be there, man. Can't. Yeah, like the idea of you fast tracking through the investment process is just it's not. It's not. You're sorry. You have to make good stuff. You got to do it the old fashioned way. You have to make good stuff. And the O.G. Avengers, when it came time for Infinity War and Endgame. Again, everything I've said in today's video is coming from a place of love because you all know I love Marvel, I ride with the franchise to the die and even not this point in time where the issue may be in shambles. I'm still here for Kevin. Yeah, I see. I'm so glad you reminded the whole in shambles because it's like your video is not really in keeping with your title. No. I feel like you're lured us in with some more venom, but then it wasn't venom at all. It was anti venom. It was carnage or something. Shambles and put it all together, make something extraordinary, something that we're all one of the main to pick up the shambles. Well, that doesn't mean that's not even what they need to do. They need to just drop it and they need to like wipe the board clean and be like, guys, we need that needs to wipe the slate and burn it down as Senator Armstrong. Yeah, as they would, as they'd say, who was it was? Elrond, who said, swept salt from a table. No, that was Gilgallad. He said like salt from a table. No, it wasn't. It was the Elf Commander guy from the tear. Anyway, they need it's like a total is like reforming a religion. You have to go back to the basic tenets of how you do things and just restructure it.  They're certainly staring down the edge of a hole, a big gaping chasm. And they either you do it today or you do it next year. Might as well do it now when it hurts less. Cinematic Universe, the most successful studio in Hollywood history just absolutely changed the landscape of Hollywood itself. I love this universe so much, man, and I want to see it thrive. And I think it's important for us to voice and his main solution was bring back characters. Yeah, bring just just key. Make sure that. Oh yeah, make sure. Yeah. So it's not so yeah. So it's not like hollow, you know, like that. Our criticisms and concerns and bring this stuff to light so like that Marvel can make the necessary changes. And instead of us just sitting here, taking the same stuff over and over and over again and watching the franchise. We love so much. Just diminish over time. So with that being said, let me know what you guys thought of this variety. Yes. Comment down below, man. Let me know. I'm a section down below. Again, in the long run, the necessary changes will be made and Marvel will course. No, yeah. All right. So with that, make sure to like and subscribe. I love you guys 3000. It's amazing that his idea of course correcting is bring back Robert Downey, Jr. That's that's course correct. Make sure he's a variant. So well, let's finish this. Like I'll see you guys in the next video. Oh, wait, no, no. There's a subscribe here, but no like and subscribe. OK. So this is this got memed on on the internet, right?  Wow. Jeez. But it gets even better. Oh, well, he gets. No, it gets better. It gets better for us. The the next video he released, it was we were starting the stream and it was released like two hours ago.  So I'm going to pop her on and you guys can read the title. Y'all read the title of the video. Can you see? What it says, I'm sorry, Marvel. I'm sorry, Marvel. I'm sorry.  Oh, my God. What? Yes, it does mean what you think it means. It's not the other version. It's the I am apologizing to Marvel. That's what this video is. Wait, no. No, this isn't. I'm sorry, Marvel. I had to say something. It's I'm sorry, Marvel. I was wrong. Oh, my God. And yes, I believe this was uploaded within like a day or just over a day, something like that. That's since we last saw him. So let's see how his opinions have changed, shall we? OK, video. It's time to apologize. Oh, my God.  You got a quick signal. So a couple of days ago, Variety instead of to drop a massive article. You got a haircut. I just have Marvel detail. Oh, he got a big haircut. Problems and. Or is it just tied back? Oh, it might be tied back. If it is, it's going on behind the scenes at Marvel Studios. Then in the past 24 hours, Marwin said it a clap back a little bit. I won't lie. Marwin said it a clap back a little bit. They dropped a peak low key episode. Oh, now I need you to marinate in this. Everything he said in that previous video has been counted by the fact that he loved the newest Marvel thing. Why? Why? OK. By the way, we've seen the low key episode.  It was awful. There is the episode that made us decide that it's it's equally like it's sitting right next to low key season one. Which remember, guys, we're at a one out of ten on a one out of ten one out of ten and going anywhere. This is what my people are like. You're not a real person. You're paid to do this, right?  Marvel's in shambles.  It was so good. And I could. But I feel like the likely explanation is just the consumer mindset. Yes. That's where I was going with that, is I'm not even sure that it would apply to him as a grifter or shell or paid whatever. I think he genuinely feels these things. So I don't know. It's fire. With low key episode five, which we're going to talk about in a second. Oh boy. And then this Friday morning, they decided to drop the first trailer for the Echo series, which let's be honest. Echo was cool and Hawkeye, but I don't know if her performance in Hawkeye and what that character did in that series warranted an entire show. So none of us really had that many expectations for the Echo series. Well, you were going to love it. And I blew a lot of us away, including myself. So to clarify, he's apologizing because of Loki's episode being so good and a trailer for Echo. And this has any bearing at all on a big article that was talking about a lot of fundamental issues with the way that Marvel goes about making their movies and television shows. You can argue with nothing to do with what he talked about as well. Neither of these account for his primary solution, which was to bring in new stars or rather bring in stars that are not there anymore. I'm sorry because I saw an episode I liked and you created a compelling advertisements. Yes, for a new television show. But it's actually unreal.  Yeah, I'm I'm I'm in a little bit of a state of disbelief, honestly. And it's going to be the first TV mature Marvel project. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is going to pave the way for the future projectable. Oh, my God. It's going to be better because it's M.A. And there's a bit of blood. Oh, yeah, that means it's going to be some real mature. Like, oh, yeah, this is a big way. I like blood. Yeah, I find that so lame that like it's oh, it's right at us. So like, therefore, it must have some sort of inherent intrinsic quality. For the daredeals, the punishers, the blades, you know, it's going to pave the way for blade. How can you say that after everything we saw with that article?  Three is obviously going to be R rated, but echo is going to pave the way for darker and for the darker Netflix type of MCU content that we've been asking for. Man, it's I love how it starts. You know what made Daredevil really good? There was blood. That's what made it good. It was there was blood. It was. Yeah, that was why it was good. If only he knew because he clearly doesn't. The Marvel don't believe in echo whatsoever and that they did try to get it discontinued. Obviously, obviously, they're releasing all of the episodes straight away. They're releasing on Disney Plus and Hulu, presumably to get it to, like Maximum Eyes in some way, straightforward people. Probably. It's just they don't believe in it. They don't care about it. It won't be influencing anything going forward unless it has a remarkable engagement, which it won't. No, it's just echo. It wouldn't matter if it was 11 out of 10. It won't. No one cares about it. I'm sorry. Word of mouth will not be powerful enough to sell echo around the place. It's not going to happen. No way. No way. For a while.  Marvel clapping back with Loki episode five in that echo trailer. It's not a clap back. This is releasing another episode we're talking about. It was gonna come out anyway. It was gonna come out. Yeah, it was going to come out. That shit's been done for ages of all of the problems that are going on behind scenes at the end. It doesn't address any of the problem. No, it is not related to the problems. It is totally irrelevant. And it doesn't like that. Wait a minute. I just realized that means he made the previous video without episode five and he said that it was set in a bag. Do you remember what happened at the end of episode four? Can't go. Melted. When it melts him. Yes, that's right. That's all that I said. The reason why I said that is because the variety article said that the finale sets up Kang. Oh, right. The fun.  There's not the VFX workers are still going through it over there. I'm Marvel Studios. Oh, and how do you feel about that? About the one with Kang and Tonker and moving forward. Yeah, that's pretty unethical. He's clarifying that all of the points the article is still valid, by the way. Yeah, because nothing about a trailer and one episode of television that was already done. No. Has any bearing on any of the things that were in that article to doom or recast Jonathan Majors. You know, Marvel, it said that Marvel's still discussing plans to bring back the original Avengers and revival. What do you mean it said nothing's changed? Was that same article? Yeah, I just thought about it like it's a new development. Oh, it's still being said one, that article that hasn't changed the credits table. We looked over the article that's still saying it for you. So I can't take it, which, you know, that can be open to interpretation of what that means. Either it could be multiverse variants that are going to be in secret or is which I'm cool with that. I feel like that was always the plan or it could be like that was always starting in Black Widow and undoing the sacrifices they made in Avengers Endgame. And the point is, is that Loki episode was fired. I'm sure the finale next week is going to be even more. I'm sure that and that echo trailer was fired as well. Yeah, but you think so just because those two things are fired doesn't mean that all of the So why are you apologizing? Apologizing to Marvel. Why are you sorry to Marvel studios based on these things? MCU has gone through through faces four and five and all the little hiccups and mistakes. And also I want to say why he's sorry. I want him to say why I'm sorry. Like, what did I do that warrants an apology? Well, apology should be plenty of video left. So yes, we do. And problems that the studio is currently facing just magically disappears and go away. You know what I'm saying? So when I said the MCU was in shambles. Yeah, there's still a lot going on behind the scenes because look over these. OK, this is getting confusing. And why like what? What is the value of your words? Well, what's going on? He said that he said it is true. It's more. I'm getting a little bit more frustrated. Now I'm starting to feel like I'm being deceived. Past few years, no one has said that Marvel hasn't come out with bangers here and there. No way home. Wakanda forever. No. Shung Chi. No. No, there's no way home was. Guardians of the Gods. Marvel has come out with their bangers. But there's been a lot of this video is just repeating what he said in the other one. And how many days thought what they separated? What is this kind of scene? Wakanda forever. What is it that you're seeing in that God awful movie?  What is it? Well, so EBSU was in shambles two days ago. I'm sorry, Marvel, seven hours ago. All right, OK, cool. You have a long time to think. I feel like time's getting wasted here. And I feel like I've been roped in with I'm sorry, Marvel. And I feel like it's where we're folding back on that. We're just going back to, you know, even with that said, doesn't change a thing. Like now I'm sorry. Is this is all this video is chasing views? Well, yeah, this is just I really liked Loki's season two, episode five. And I really liked Echo's trailer. I can't title it like that. If I say I'm sorry, Marvel, that's a little bit more interesting. And that'll get them eyeballs here. Consistency, project to project in terms of the quality, the level of writing, the level of direction by the filmmakers behind the level of direction. I don't know. I get annoyed when you just start saying like script. It's the level of the degree of the quality of the execution of the of the way that they kind of, you know, it's just so rambly. Now we don't really have no direction. It feels like we have to kind of like take every single project and almost like base our base our hype off that from the team, from the writers that are on board, the directors that are on board. Name them. Yeah, but also it's pretty normal to be interested in a creative project based on the creatives behind it. I still think people would say that Michael Waldron is writing Loki's season two. I still think people would say that. Oh, well, I mean, I don't think it even matters because I wasn't as in the guys writing it like that he was a staff writer on the first season anyway. It wouldn't matter because it's indicative of the fact that people have no idea what's going on. Oh, I get you. Well, I mean, the reality is that like 90, 95 percent of the people who go watch Marvel movies don't know any of the writers or writers. It feels like they're in skin suits pretending to be people who care about writing sometimes.  Especially with some of the interviews that they give, like to earnestly to I can't even believe that one would earnestly describe Janet storyline and Ant-Man and the lost quantamania as Michelle Pfeiffer's Unforgiven. That's like, I feel like gas line or anything. I was even talking about the writers themselves. It's one about people like Matt here, like the idea that he's not enjoying it. And he's like, the writing is just suffering and he is enjoying it. He's like, the writing's so much better. It's like, what are you just what is the difference between the writing? Could you like explain it to me in any way that's coherent and not based on meta arguments about we've heard him say one thing that to be fair is pretty valid. In terms of like, why is it bad to bring back Tony Stark after he sacrificed himself? Like it undermines the sacrifice. It's like, excellent. Good point. Wow, excellent. That's normal, but. No, I'll say it's called a relativity, I guess. That's incredible. I cannot believe it. Ford, we obviously know the team behind Loki is very competent at producing the peak. So guess what? Whoever's directing and writing Loki? I'm going to be like, whoever's directing Loki? Who could it be? If there's no way to find out who is that mystery man? How is it peak? Nobody knows what's going on in Loki season two right now. Tell me what the plot is. Nobody knows. It is like chat.  The end of the episode, the whole universe is melting away into spaghetti. And then Loki says he can control it himself. He just says that. Loki can travel through time and space now because. Yeah, Loki basically gets God powers at the end of the episode for seemingly no reason at all. It's just like, OK. He was able to do this anyway was because when Sylvie kicked him through the door in episode and the finale of season one, that for whatever reason had him spread across time in a way that he gets pulled around like spaghetti. If it didn't work that way, if it didn't pan out that way, then there would have been nobody to save all of existence. All of existence would have melted away if it wasn't that way that it works in the TVA, where time doesn't work in past, present, and future, even though Loki jumps from past, present, and future in the TVA. It's nonsense. Also, obviously, when I say he's he's basically God, I don't mean. No, not like Norsof, like totally omniscient, completely in control of that kind of God. And guess what? That Marvel actually hired the directors of Loki to direct the majority of the episodes for. Yeah, no, I know. Oh, yes, the majority, not all of them because they're not scrapping everything. Wait, what's he about? They scrapped everything. They did for that series up to this point. And now they didn't. They didn't. Why does he keep saying that? Because it sounds better if he says it that way. They're starting with Refresh with new writers, new show runners. They actually hired the show runner. New show runner, but yes. The show runner from the publisher series from Netflix. And now he's going to be doing. He's saying this like you didn't say it in the video that you are currently building the sequel video to this. I just feel like he's wasting time. He's just repeating himself to make sure it's still a thing on YouTube minutes. Oh, yeah, I love it. Love it. Be the head show runner for the Daredevil Born Again series and the directors of Loki are directing the episodes, which was fire, bro. It was so fire. It was just fire, bro. So tell you why. No, he doesn't. He can't even we can make stuff up. And I think people can about like why Falcon and the soldier is good, but good luck with Loki. You can't even tell what happened to make up what was good about it for Daredevil. Born Again, you know, when Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 came back on in May, that movie was so amazing. OK, top five MCU.  It is one of our yearly heart takes. Guardians 3 is awful. Yeah, unfortunately, because we were really hoping for that one of the best that they've made recently. Yeah, the bar is so low. Yeah, still. But all of us watch that movie and knew that's all James Gunn. You know what I'm saying? That's all James Gunn. He wrote the movie. Unfortunately, yes. Directed it. The Guardians are his little babies. Like what I mean by that is that I wish it kind of wasn't because it means he's entirely on the hook for all the choices that he made. And I don't know. Like, yeah, my view of him as a writer is complicated at this point. I don't even know what to expect anymore. Yeah, you look excited for super bad legacy and DC reboot. It's like no idea. No, I don't know.  And now this was his storybook ending for these characters. So it's not even like the Guardians 3 was a product of the MCU and what Marvel is accustomed to making. It was just now it's all James Gunn and now he's off to direct Superman Legacy.  Well, there you go. Let's just get going. Let's wait and see what he cooks over there with Superman. The greatest cook. They're of all time. But look, when it comes to this consistency problem. Superman is favorite superhero. All right. I wish you the best with whatever James Gunn cooks. Yeah, you know, yeah. Well, whatever it is, you'll like it though. Probably. It doesn't even matter that there's no need to wish good luck. There is no disappointing, you know. Yeah, you're gonna love it no matter what.  Like we're going back and forth. So let's. Not for us. Like, all right. Yeah, he's saying that went down, up, down, up, or whatever. It's been a nice consistent disappointment. Well, not disappointment, because like, well, Guardians was incredibly disappointed.  What's the good of Loki? Tell me, please. What's good about it? What kind of conversations does he have, you know, with friends about like movies, you know? I don't know other than it saying it's fire over and over again. Let's just pray to our lucky stars. Pray to our lucky stars. The Marvels is going to be, you know, one of the best MCU movies. Why is this cropped? You've got to keep this to your life. You know what I'm saying? We got Loki. Flash frame too, I don't know what I'm saying. Awesome. Loki's carrying us. Loki right now is carrying the Multiverse Saga and the Multiverse. What? What does that even mean, the Multiverse Saga now? Like, it's just, it just works. It's just works.  He's getting crushed down. It's that black hole. I caught up to state, the last episode was the spaghettification of the entire Multiverse. Loki just says, nah, actually, I can control it all. Yeah. It's fire. See where Saga is, Loki's story. And let me say this right now, Marvel, if you're watching this video, let me tell you right now, bro.  Tell me. Tell you what's fire, bro. Into my ear. Inject it into my veins. I'm just speaking for myself because I don't know how the majority of people will feel about this. Yes, you do. Y'all, you know the comments, the comments. Yes, please, in the comments. The Multiverse Saga is Loki's story. What does that even mean? What does that mean? What? After how good... I thought it was Kang's story. It was on Kang's shoulders. Yeah. Loki's character and basically making him the chosen one. Oh, good. He's the chosen one because of something.  They changed their mind, thank God. Yes. But then they changed their mind again. Again. Killed him and then they brought him out. It's so sad. He's the chosen one now.   The God of Stories. The God of Stories. What is happening? I am way more interested in seeing Loki be the leader of the troops.  Say what's up?  What's up, bro? This is fire. Right? Than any legacy character. OK. I know Tobi Maguire would probably somewhere to... Oh my God. It's so painful.  But he's just there. He's in the room all looking at his Kang. Oh, there's a door. It bursts open and who's there? But Loki, because he's the chosen one at the MCU. And he comes all this is going to be a great showdown. But I want everyone to know we could take him out and put Tobi Maguire there maybe. That could also work. I just want to make sure that we put that on. Tobi Maguire. It's just... He's trying to destroy Maguire. He's like, he's like Kevin Feige down. He's like, bro, I got some fire for you. Tobi Maguire versus Kang, OK? No, that's fine. You can have that for free. I'm going to let you have that. Oh, my brains. Take it. And I'm super hyped to see more of Tobi. I'm super hyped to see more of you, Jackman and all that good stuff. But Loki's got to be in the mix. You know what I'm saying? Loki cannot be sidelined for a legacy character. No, no, I think I know what you're saying. This entire movie. You can get it. You like Loki. He's being built on the shoulders of him and his story. Like, Tobi coming face to face with Kang would be probably... Stop. Please stop. What are we doing?  There's nothing.  What if Tobi Maguire fought Darth Vader and then they went into it? This is what I mean with steps away. The galaxy and they took him to Atlantis and then Indiana Jones came out and then set Rogan and then spun around and all stuff. What interaction and superhero film history. I mean, what is Tobi's Peter Parker? We're going to see the Kang, you know what I'm saying? It's inevitable. We are going to see it happen probably in Secret Wars or something like that. It is inevitable. We're probably more likely than not. There is at least 81% Kang. It's just so fire, man. All of it is so fire. Oh, just want it to end. I want 51% chance to see Tobi Maguire and Kang talking. That's the thing. Just give up. But I'm just saying, Loki has to be the ringleader. He has to be one of the main members in the mix because what Marvel has done with season one and now with season two. Such as absolutely incredible. Such as please an example of what you're referring to. Let us know. A shout out to Natalie Holt. My God, I love when MCU projects are.  What are we doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so damn well. And she's absolutely cooking on the violin or just OK. So soundtrack is good. What else? Which it is. What else we got? Composer room. In the composer room. The composer room, you know, where they keep the composers, the composer room. It's like it's adjacent to the director room. It's, you know, it's one of the lower levels. To make them one of the most fire scores. Stop using that word. You've ruined it. What's he going to say ever in anything ever? What's he going to say? Marvel project ever. Now let's talk. Sure. Yeah, I'd grant them that. It's I really like the music in Loki. Yeah, it's good. It's up there. Yeah, about Echo real quick. Because Marvel. OK, I wasn't familiar with the game, bro. You say I was familiar with the game. I had zero expectations when it came to the Echo series. Again, the way it talks about like Marvel is if they're his buddy, you know.  But I don't know if that warranted an entire series about her. No, is the answer to that question. Obviously this was this was a project that was greatly at an error that doesn't exist anymore, especially due to the fact that, you know, Daredevil is going to be in the series. Kingpin is obviously going to play a shoe drill in this series. And this series will set up the Daredevil series. But in my head, I really doubt it has any relevance or bearing on it at all. You have to make something in between. But no, my mind has completely 100 percent taken a 180 turn. And this won't this is the way the marketing was effective. Yeah, well, the marketing strategy is why it'll be interesting for us to check out the Echo trailer soon, because like it's the hype, the sheer hype I found out yesterday that one of the writers from Better Call Saul is one of the head writers for the Echo series. Better Call Peek, Better Call Peek.  It's fire, bro. Yes, that's what he means. It's fire, it's peak. It's five. It's five. I got the shoulders on Echo. They put it into the shoulders of the stars on Echo's fire. The shoulder room where they keep their shoulders. The peak of the shoulders is absolute fire in the composer's room. Now Echo is going to be peak. Let's hope so. Let's hope so. Because, guys, another thing, too, is that even though the Echo trailer was great and this is going to be the first TV mature Marvel series, which we've been asking for for a while now. I don't understand why they didn't do this with Moon Knight. Why was Moon Knight not TV mature? Why was Moon Knight not good is the question.  That was the problem. Cut to the chase, my good man. Knight, not like this, where you have literally the opening of the trailers. Kingpin beating a little ice cream truck guy. A little ice cream truck guy. Oh, OK. So is that what? It's peak when he Kingpin beats up the little ice cream man.  Little ice cream man guy. Little ice cream man guy.  There's your thumbnail. And that right there in that trailer, guys. Yeah, you can already see the difference between Kingpin in this series and the Kingpin we got in Hawkeye. OK, Kingpin right here. All right, that's Marvel's back. And you know what? Wow, even from a trailer, we're in. We're back so back. I'd be so curious to ask him, what's your favorite scene in Daredevil that's not a fight scene? I would be so curious to hear what his answer is. I feel like he would at least be able to label the conversation with Daredevil and Punisher, right? Everyone does. Oh, I'm excluding that. You don't get to. Yeah, they don't get to use that. Once once you move that off the list, please tell me your favorite scene from Daredevil that is a fight scene or that doesn't have Punisher in it. And I'd be so curious if he could give an answer because he probably thinks it's like one of the best shows ever made. But like, he probably couldn't give you any detailed explanation why. Well, you'd still be able to tell you it's fire. That's worth something. Right. It is fire. It's peak. I wonder, I'd be so curious. It's like, do you have any perspective on the conversation that Matt has with the pastor about like the nature of evil and the existence of evil and whether or not they believe in the devil? And if they had the power to stop him, would they? And what would that cost him? I'd be so curious to be like, now just feel free. Just just just, you know, like the consciousness, that flow of consciousness. Just give me your thoughts on that. I feel like I wouldn't get anything because it's it's it's like the nature of what's here. Oh, it's fire. You know, this this show is fire, man. Blue, my mind. It was crazy. That's fire, you know, and it's leading up. And then when Toby McGuire shows up, you know, and he faces down. That's going to be, you know, let him cook. You know, I was wrong about that. That's the nature of a snow cap. No cap for real.  Just you just need you there. You're like, do what? Say what? Why am I there? It's like just be there. Just being there for us to know that you're there. One of the factoids we read was that his request was that they don't like, you know, speculate usually or detail his his life between now and Spider Man 3 that they leave that as vague as they can. But yeah, why do you think he doesn't want any of it damaged? I don't even touch.  That's right. As much as as great as this trailer was, one of one of the my main primary thoughts was, bro, if they keep this same tone for Daredevil born again, bro, they keep this sick. Well, it'll be so good. I can see a universe where John Bertholdt comes back as a punisher and they do injustice.  I was going to say, it's so funny that the clownified the MCU so hard that if they go with one serious project, everyone's like back on board. Like, now it's good. Get out of his chance. Oh, yeah.  This is so big, bro.  You know what I'm saying? Now I see that. Now I see that now that's open to possibility. Before I was like, bro, they're bringing back John Bertholdt's punisher, but he's going to be watered down for sure. Not. Yes. Yes. Yes.  Like, it's so easy in terms of just he's not you really think he's going to be anything near what you got in Daredevil. And I don't know. Punisher. No, why do you think they're going to do a scene where Punisher drags a man's face down broken glass like that's never going to happen.  That's not happening. Yeah, there's no way. Not anymore. I mean, guys, that one shot of literally that do getting his brains blown out in the hole. Whoa, I got shot in the neck. This is what I mean. It's so clownified that anything serious automatically means quality. You've been trained to think this almost. It's so set.   This is fire.  It's like, I don't even know anything that's better than this in the trailer. And then the other dude, that was just literally he was dead.  He was dead, but his eyes were rolled back and he had blood. Oh, he was like dead. Sometimes you don't want to have a great insight to how the people who love this stuff think it's like he was dead. They was blood. It's like, OK. No, this isn't thinking. This is like how a plant react to sunlight. You know, yeah, sunlight. Delicious. It's serious. Stone over here. Yo, this is big bro light. Yum, dude, this is so great every sun is back. Yo, it was dark, but yo, the sun is back. We're back. We are back. But yeah, when the sun goes down, he's like, this is a shambles. The sun is in shambles. It comes back up. Oh, my God, peak sun. This corner of the MCU should be TV mature because it's so grounded because these characters you said you do nothing about Echo that you're like, she should be grounded. You're like, OK. Yeah, like I bet he doesn't even know who Echo is, like the character assumption is no story. No, I don't think so. Just read comics. Who knows. You can't read. You know, it's described that Echo was actually read the article rags. He someone dictated it to them and they read it aloud. And she does like really questionable things, which I'm super interested in seeing that that makes, you know, that she's questionable things. So much more. This has got him back in his character does questionable things in this blood. But that's like all of the characters that they're like, oh, yeah, you know, one. That's everyone. Yeah, Wanda did plenty of that in M.O.M. And there was blood. All do questionable things, but they don't recognize that they're questionable or even just obviously well, to be fair, if the music tells them, it's OK that it's OK that comes directly from the composer room. Yo, fire. That's right. Makes a character like so much more complex, not the fact that she's not all good and she's not all bad. She has her own agenda. She's normal, right? If she's presentable and she's more bad than good, presumably.  Yeah, they said that her powers were lame and her powers sounded like I would toss master powers, which are not lame. No, I'm very cool about the character that you're adapting. And she's coming after them and anyone that stands in her way, she's going to run through. So since the events of that variety are dropping, she's determined. Marvel has clapped back, but we need to keep the streak alive because, again, consistency is we need to keep the streak alive. The streak of a trailer and an episode of a craft show. The streak day. Can I keep the streak alive, guys? It's been a day. This is what we want as fans. We don't want to go from Quantamania to Guardians 3 to Secret Invasion to Loki. No, we want to wait. I mean, if the trend plays out, as you pointed out, then Marvel's will probably be bad and then Echo will be good, right? So nothing has changed. So there's no need for an apology. It's interesting that he's like we've got that sort of that up down thing, like this one's good, this one's bad, this one's good, this one's bad. I just want to ask him, what made Secret Invasion bad? But why is Loki good? And don't say visual effects. Well, that's it. You have to actually talk about the story, something writing related. He did explain it. Loki is kind of the chosen one of the MCU. He's got the whole multi-verse rest on his shoulders. The God of stories. Yeah. Well, I thought Kang was the one of whom. No, that's the bad guy, Rags. Gosh, pay attention to his antagonist.  He's going to he's going to take him out. He's going to be in the mix. He'll be in the mix, at least. We told him a glass, by the way. We used to make that joke like all the time. I still make it to this day on like real BBC episodes, just throw him in because it's always funny. And then I actually like see it genuinely being said, like, bring in a glass, by the way, to fight Kang. It's like, OK. Just do it. Whatever, whatever. As long as everyone gets paid, just whatever. Peak to peak to peak. Take your time. Slow it down. We've heard many different times. Fuck, all of his binoculars. It sucks, doesn't it? There's no words. It's all peak fire. Yeah. And it'll change with the culture that changes that those words will become old and new ones will be given to him. Any different times that marble has just pumped the brakes and the amount of projects that they've started to develop, the amount of projects that they're making. And now they're trying to what would they haven't know? Like they haven't slowed down. There still means to be like, what, five projects coming out next year? There's slowing down. We're going to see in, what, like 2025 or something. It's going to take some time for it to manifest. I take it slow and prioritize quality over quantity. Now we're not doing that. They're not doing that. Nothing's changed. Why is he talking about it like anything's changed? Nothing has changed. What, one episode of television and a trailer. That's right. It's crazy because this whole kind of this this evap episode is about how this is like a borderline. We'll see change a while from now. But like he said, like, no, we got it already.  I don't even think it'd be possible right now. Like, even if Loki were amazing in the echo trailer, we're truly an 11 out of 10 trailer. It's still be like, no, no. I know what a trailer's for. I know what the trailer's job is to do. Remember the trailer for Age of Ultron? Remember that one? Last Jedi. Iron Man three trailer. A lot of us are very excited for echo dropping in January. No, a lot of us. No, that's to like 12 people. I think that's going to be a perfect series to just binge all the way through in one day. And then we'll talk about what it is. Yeah, but if it was released episode by episode, you'd say it's a great thing to take on week by week and discuss with everybody. Like whatever it is, it is good because of that. I didn't realize you could interpret that positively. I believe dropping echo all at once when they've never done that with any of their other Marvel shows is that it's it's it's being abandoned. It said something. They're trying to get it out one and done as quickly as possible, not occupying too much time.  If we can get it all out and it's done, people can't talk week by week about how much it's not being watched. Yeah, it won't drag it out. Yeah, it'll be talked about how much it's not watched, but hopefully it'll be quicker. You know, you'll get we get over it faster.  What's next?  Yeah, Loki, that's going to finish up next week. We all know that finale is going to be peak. I mean, actually, let me not say that. I know it. I don't want to jinx us, but we trust in the team behind Loki to the no, we do don't. But I feel like it says a lot, right? Doesn't it the kind of words that you use about like the way that your mind is working?  When I use a lot of words like that in my mind, I know that they're like meme phrases. They're meme words that you say like on the internet. I don't say these things when I'm talking to human beings in real life. When we say it's jover, that's a joke. It's a joke. Yeah, it's yeah. It's the way it would be. It would be the same as if I said something was fire. I'm using it because I think it's cringy or funny. Or for instance, coke or bad take or something. Yeah, they're not used to actually translate ideas I'm having to other people. I'm more so using them as part of it.  It's like 10% of his whole vocabulary is those two words, peak and fire. I don't know why he doesn't even use a greater variety of internet meme words. It's always fire and cook, let him cook. And what's the other one he's been using? Peak fire. Oh, yeah, peak fire, cook while rubbing his hands. That's like bro, don't get bro. But that one goes back a long time. Bro's OK, you can have bro. You're allowed to have bro and man.  I'm fine with using it and dude.  Yeah, that good. For a great finale and send us off into the next direction. The marbles. Well, I mean, give me something good, bro. Give me something good. Do you think it's going to be good? He hasn't he hasn't decided yet. He's he hasn't decided what he's going to say. Well, I think what we're seeing is he's reading his room regressed in the in a matter of hours back in like he for a moment was see it like, wait, things aren't so great. No, no, it's fine. Everything's great. Oh, oh, yeah, we are back. I think it really is. I really upload that video. It's so fascinating. He's reading the room. He's not sure yet what what stands to take on the marbles. Like he's sort of sitting back and waiting to see whether or not it gets received well, considered a good movie. Obviously, how much money it makes is probably influential and whether or not he considers it good or bad. Well, it's it's I don't know. I find I find those aspects fascinating, like the kind of games that these people play. It's figuring out what strategies to use, you know, for like the the direction they want to take. Like their commentary on on the state of Marvel or D.C. or any of those things. I find it so interesting. I books if the marbles is better than the first Captain Marvel, that's a win. But yeah, because it's that's an acceptable stance that Captain Marvel is boring and not very interesting. Well, it's one of the safest things you've ever say, because you're not even tied down to saying Captain Marvel's bad. You're saying you want it to be better, better than boring, boring. Boring is safer than bad for Captain Marvel. That's the safe one. It's boring. It's lame. It wasn't really interesting. You know, for the first female lead superhero Marvel movie, like it wasn't that interesting or something like that. Give me a great movie. Come on. I believe in you, bro. I believe in the cost. I believe in the team behind the why. Do you like her other films? Maybe he does. What's her name? Name, name one of them. What's her name? The Navy just said. What's her name? Yeah. Marvel's, you know, I'm a huge Monica and both fans. So I hope to see her shine in this film. OK. Let's keep the streak alive, bro. Not a streak, man. We don't even know once the Marvel's drops, we don't even know when the next Marvel movie is coming out. Because obviously, yeah, we do. The Deadpool three is still slated for May. I guess the foregone. It would just get moved to the next slot. Like it'll take Captain America slot. What do you mean? You don't want the next. It's not like I find it hilarious. The idea of fuck, man, a few months without Marvel movies. It's it's worse than a few months, something else. A few months without knowing when I can expect the next things. Like, Kevin, how could you do this to me? Kevin, please. Kevin, how could you do this? Not the broadest end of the industry. It strikes. So it's just Kevin is tossing buckets of water onto this flaming disaster. You're trying to put it on that. And then he said they're like, what's the next thing, Kevin? Kevin, please, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. He's like, what? What is this company from me? What is it? Obviously, a ton of stuff has been.  Why isn't this working? It's like that. We'll run out of things to burn. It's like Tucker and Dale faces Eve.  It's been delayed with the writer strike with the current actor strike go actors. I hope they get what they deserve. But but don't delay. Don't delay my enjoyment too much.  I don't want this to carry over into the next year. That would be untenable. But we would after the Marbles comes out, we don't even know we don't even know when the next Marvel movie is coming up. Yes, we do. We're going to be. I mean, it's all planned out in America. It's dead. Why do I know this and you don't? Isn't this like the only thing that you talk about? Well, maybe he is talking about the fact that we don't know in a sense that it's more than likely going to be delayed because of everything that's going on. I mean, isn't it just pretty logical that it's just going to take the next slot? If Deadpool 3 gets the light, it would just come out when Captain America was meant to come out. And then Captain America gets what's going on. We don't know. We only can speculate. Oh, yeah. OK. Yeah, one of those two, probably. So well, definitely. Suavecito. Man, does that does that like freak you out? That's why you need to calm yourself down. Is there any? What was the apology part exactly? I don't know what the apology part is. Slow and steady. Let's take it slow. Let's get a streak going and let's just make it a never end. Let's take it slow. But I'm really freaked out about how long there's no release date. I'm dying to take it slow. Yeah, streak of just straight banger after banger after banger. So look, why would banger off banger is one episode of a TV show after admitted like that he would even admit bad television show of secret invasion. The Marvel's pending. You don't actually know yet and a trailer for Echo for again, a show pending. You don't even know if the streak is one TV show. Yep. Look, you know, I'm really happy. I'm waiting that Marvel has clapped back and Marvel's has a good stuff. There was an article that came out a couple of days ago and then they released an episode of television that you like and that's them clapping back. There's the thing. I barely count like an episode of TV show being good as evidence of not even because clapped back was a very specific meaning from what I remember. But like, if we're just going to say they are doing better since the article, it's like, how can you count a trailer?  That's absurd. It's marketing. I barely want to count the episode. It's a commercial. Plus, as fans, we want this stuff to be great, but we also want it to be consistently great and just because we got a great. That I mean, that would be included in the we want it to be great, wouldn't it? We want to like how I like how he just said that he wants the streak to continue and he's about to admit that just because you got one episode of Loki, you like that doesn't mean anything. How do you do this? Yeah, but we've got a trailer to come on. Well, one a streak is one. One is a streak, right? Yeah, I feel like a streak by definition has to be like more than it feels like three at least right to isn't enough. Why do you hate Disney so much? What's going on? Can't you not see peak?  You're not being very far right now. That's going to be peak fire, cinematic, excellent. Wait, no, peak fire, cinematic peak. Based, no cap. Based. Yeah, based, not cocked. You'd think you think he would have used based at some point, but no. No, maybe maybe based as out of out of date. Maybe that's out of style. Maybe that's not in right now. Maybe he's like a Pokemon and he only knows four moves. And that's just like he doesn't know he's. He cook or peak cook. A streak, I don't know. Oh, bro. That's the that's the evolution music. Or is that the victory? It's been a while since I've played Pokemon. That's the victory music. Yeah, that's the victory one, isn't it? But it also plays when you get the evolution, doesn't it? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, one. That's just it here. Let's just sit here and hum.  It was just absolutely high fire. That was peak. Yeah. Charizard. Oh, man, right, right. Oh, my God. Oh, now that was fired. That was fired. That was ember. That was that was great. So something because guess what?  But now with an actual one. Yeah, but yeah, but the rating for me, the rating. There you go. Oh, yes, that's right. This one's TV, M.A. In an actual TV mature rating. How many times can you be punched in the face before you're like, wait a minute. That makes me a lot more confident that the series has a lot of higher ceiling and will reach that potential compared to. Yeah, because whether or not blood is allowed or sex is allowed or drug use is allowed. That's what determines quality. That's a bizarre perspective to have. It's almost like, well, no, anything Pixar makes can never reach that height because, you know, they're making they're making films that need to have a rating that's acceptable for children. Well, when I found out, when I found out Wally, too, was rated I was like, oh, finally, the ceiling has been lifted. That's right. The ceiling has been lifted. Now now Pixar can reach the heights of Marvel Studios. Yes.  Apparently, there's good context for it. Oh, my gosh. So again, just because we've got a Loki episode five and a great echo trailer doesn't I like how all of this just completely undermines your entire point. These admissions. Well, so he makes his main points. I agree with all of the article, things are bad. And to fix it, we need to bring back old stars. OK, now, since then, we've had a good episode of Loki in a trailer. I like now that makes me at the point where I need to say sorry. But I also want to make sure you understand everything in the article is still true and a good episode and a good trailer doesn't really mean anything. But seriously, keep the streak going of this episode and trailer. The Marvels, come on. I believe in you. We should ignore the current problems going on with the rest of the MCU. All the problems behind the scenes and stuff like that. Am I confident that Kevin Feige and the team will cook and bring the MCU back to its glory? Come on, 1,000 percent. I'm very confident. Well, man, so then you've got nothing to worry about. You don't even need to make your videos. Yeah, you've got. He's cooking up for you. This all needs to provide your perspective. Like you said, oh, I need to offer constructive criticism so they can figure it out. If you believe 1,000 percent and times the complete amount that you know that you can believe in someone that they'll fix the problems. Why even bitch? Just keep it to yourself. You know, just calm down and be patient and wait for them to fix everything all on their own. I'm very confident in that because I wonder if we could name the team. There's Kevin Feige. Could you get any other producers? Any of the other producers who work on these things? Ronald Downey. Probably not. Oh, no, no, no. That's not Ronald Downey, Joe Hanson. Yeah, no, that's not a lot. The group is because, you know, we've been on this journey as fans for over over 15 years now.   So I can be a little dramatic. Like why though? Again, guys, the MCU, I just hope they can continue to streak, keep the streak alive. That's all we're doing. Stop it. Loki Echo Marvel.  That's what it's kind of like. We got off of it. You know, we were we were like, yeah, Marvel was pretty neat. That's great.  OK, whatever. And then you look in and see that he's still on it. He's still riding the high and he's still going through the motions. And it's the most amazing. Rocking back and forth in that straight. Rocking back and forth. That echo trailer, man. It's it's TVMA. It's called Blood. It's going to be good. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Sorry, straight going. Even though I just admitted that there is no straight. I'm so sorry, Marvel. Take me back.  So look, I'd like to take the chance to apologize to absolutely nobody for saying that the MC was in shambles. Oh, I guess what? A good episode and a good echo trailer shouldn't take away from the greater problems that the man. You did you really do this because you needed to get over 10 minutes to get like mid-roll ads. I think a minute. Well, it's that. It's also paying people into seeing this whole video and then also to capitalize on, I guess, you would have gone viral temporarily on Twitter with the people. I think of what people pointing out that he's just completely like backflipping quadruple flipping on. Well, yeah, we've been putting this right at the end. Most people don't even get to these parts of the videos. No, this is all very strategic. MCU and Marvel Studios as a whole has been facing for the past few years and is still currently facing moving forward. But I will say I am sorry, Marvel, for doubting you on echo. Oh, that trailer was absolutely fantastic and it completely blew away any expectations that I had for this. The product has to be good. The commercial was great. Yeah. Series. I love the series. I love the tone. I love that you guys went with the TV mature rating and finally decided. Yeah, you said that already. I get it. Yeah, I said the sixth time you said it. Yes. If the series is fire in terms of a writing standpoint action, I'm sure it will be a fire show. That TV mature rating will only elevate what you're trying to do moving forward in this corner of the MCU. We've been over that.  So sorry for that. And you guys on echo, but I'm happy to be wrong.  All right. So we don't want to watch this channel. No, I can tell you we're not. We're not watching anymore of this, but we are going to see an image that I think encapsulates his his his enjoyment of media. I think anyway. I'm reading it in his voice, too. It's so easy. Bros, we are back. It is so over, Bros, so back. It's over, Bros. It's over. We're back. Oh, wait, so wait, are we watching this echo trailer or? I think that is next. Yes. How much more of this adventure do we have left? Still a little bit more. OK, all right. I'm getting tired. I'm sorry on you, a long man rags. Apologize to me and Marvel. Never those fuckers. All right, yes, let's check out the echo trailer that we've been told this is absolute fire and peak. So let's I guess I'll put on the copyright protection because I mean, it'll only help, right? OK, bear in mind, I've not seen this yet. Neither is ragged. I don't think here we go. And I haven't seen Hawkeye, so I don't know. See everything that you are. Wait, why is. I know the subtitles because he got it from the wrong place. Have I gone there from the wrong channel? What says? Is that like the hospital? So it's Native American, so is that like some kind of? All right, I'm American. I was born here. I don't speak Choctaw. I'll speak American. I always have. Oh, no, the ice cream man. The ice cream man. Oh, why did you do that to the ice cream man? Because the ice cream man said, I don't know what you're saying when he was speaking out on a note. Well, and I don't I don't know that I guess because he kind of did it in a bit of a derogatory or condescending way. That's enough for Kingpin, I guess. Oh, my goodness. Kill the ice cream man. Oh, why are you doing this to me? Do you want ice cream? This is for ice cream. Oh, I just want to sell ice cream. Blood blood. Don't be afraid. I can't hear you. Well, she probably read lips, I guess, right? Oh, can you push people through the walls like that? Well, yes. I don't know if you do know. What is her power set? I I'm I'm really not familiar with this character at all. I'm pretty sure I think it is like the Taskmaster powers. Oh, but like in the I mean, in this. Oh, I don't know. I didn't I only watched the first episode of Hawkeye and then I saw what's pain in you. You so much rage that you kept contained it. All right. So we're two thirds in. I know. Oh, my God. Oh, I wait for the thing to happen. All right. Honest is not what it's going to say. Yeah, yeah, there it is. Well, I guess that's better than when they said a hero or whatever in Captain Marvel. I was pretty cringe. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I just yeah, this is a trailer. Oh, my God. Oh, dog. Yeah, the dog. Oh, that guy. Yeah. Oh, you can make a trailer like this for Secret Invasion. You could have. Yeah. Well, they did. They did like that trial. I don't remember the Trail of the Secret Invasion. But yeah, I mean, no one does. No one remembers Secret Invasion. Are the same. OK, so. Oh, because he was shot in the face. Why does it look like it's CGI?  Like so he was he was actually actually shot in the head, but it's it's only taken out his eye when he survived.  Took his eye. Who's the monster? OK, yeah, that OK. That's it. That's it. Yeah, that's it. It's a commercial for a product. That's for sure. It's fire is what it is. Yeah, like I don't know why that would inspire any greater or lesser confidence. So it just doesn't really mean anything. If I'm going to be one thousand billion percent honest, we've just seen that without anything we have else we've seen today. I would have been like, hmm, a bit more violent. Yeah, that if you guys were like beating what? I'd be like, meaning nothing, meaning nothing. It's just it's just more violent. Just describing what I'm saying. It seems violent. If for the guide that we just watched, if it wasn't called Marvel Studios Echo, if it was called Echo, would this be a particularly interesting thing to him? If it wasn't associated with Marvel, you know, like, would he watch it if it was just a trailer for like Echo on FX or something? Like, would that, you know, must a much interest? I'm more likely to watch it if it isn't Disney, because. Oh, dude, if that wasn't connected to the empty whatsoever, I'd be like, that sure looks like it could be OK. It could be something. But the fact that it is a Marvel figure is like, oh, well, and I know that the Marvel creators don't believe in the show. They want it gone. Well, I mean, the fact that they're releasing every single episode, they're releasing on more than one streaming platform. Yeah, they're releasing in January, which is kind of like a that's very much like a month where there's not as much stuff happening. Now, so with with that, we've covered a lot of that that angle on it's kind of you can kind of see how I've done this now, because I want to I want to switch gears, but kind of do a similar thing. We're over to over to Star Wars. Oh, boy, we have Star Wars, a channel that's created a video called I'm done here in all caps. Disney is destroying Star Wars.  You're not done. You're not done. Now, this was made by Star Wars theory. You're not done. You're done with stars next week. Done with Disney. They're destroying it, which feels a lot more aggressive. It was amazing. What are you talking about?  We did. Asoca was we've done the MCU one. Let's see what it looks like for someone who's been, let's be honest, gobbling up a lot of what they've been given, but now said it's enough is enough. The the guy we just covered, it was mainly him reading all of the article stuff wasn't even really his own opinions, because he said most stuff is still pretty good and all that. But what was Star Wars theory going to say? What's his perspective on what Disney have done wrong? You guys excited? I'm so excited. Let's peer into the other world. See how it works over there. You wonder why Star Wars is in. Oh, wait, this is like a. He does he does like a what's to come at the beginning. I want to skip that. Yeah, there you go. If you would join us, here we go. Twelve and a half minutes, the Kenobi show, you know, is a show that we had been waiting for, arguably. You know what? Screw arguably is the most important show that Star Wars could ever have released after George sold it to Disney. I can't it just never should have happened. It's the most important show they could ever release. Maybe because they had the they had we had both ends of it. We had episode three, we had episode four. It was totally unnecessary. What would the most important show they could release be? The most important show that Disney Star Wars could release. Yeah. I don't even know. Probably I don't probably the show about Salacious Crumb. Well, it would be Luke Crowley, right? I walk a show.  But it's still it should be like, what are you? Where is it going to be gas in between three and four? That's what everybody would assume. And then all maybe a global show, you know, it's not impossible. I think it's just that to do Luke pretending for a second, the sequels didn't exist to be like, holy shit, where does Luke go next? Which to me, I think would be way more important. But I guess, yeah, what happens next?  We got Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi in between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. We got Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, as well as Luke Skywalker and Leia, literally the main characters of Star Wars, the most important part, time, everything. And what kind of a budget does it get? It gets not even less than Andor, which I think had like 130 million or 110 million. It's a lot of money. Maybe more than that. What was the budget for Andor? Hold on here, where I can get ahead of myself. Why the budgets just don't equal better. You guys are going to set you.  Well, yes, as you can see, we're already inching toward like, wait, but it doesn't matter if Kenobi had a lower budget than Andor. Or that's not its problem. It's definitely not its problem. Such a more real side of me as we push into 2024 because I'm fed up. I'm really tired, really fed up. People that don't like me already don't like me. People that love me already love me and I'm here for you guys. Oh, we're the other people. We don't really feel a huge amount about you. We're willing to give you all. Yeah, we're we're the unicorns. So give us what you got. We're going to judge what you say by what you say. I'm not even going to go with the level. Hey, yes, and I'm not here for anyone else. Oh, well, at the end of the day, I'm here for George Lucas. I'm here for Star Wars. I'm here for myself and what Star Wars used to be made three things out of the way, just not everything that Disney has created is total garbage.  There's there's a rope. One has got some stuff in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to be as nice as possible here. I don't think there's anything in Kenobi or Boba. But there's some stuff in Mando season one, some stuff. What about the video games that I part of the conversation in anyway? I think we could say that Mando season one. Cinematography. Oh, yeah, the product value is really good. Yeah, that's good enough. You know, 80, 90 percent. But there is that 10 percent that is actually really amazing. Yes. Mandalorian season one and two. The tales of the Jedi. I didn't even see that. So I can't say. The Clone Wars season seven. Rebels. Even he was like. Ahsoka up until episode seven and eight. No, all of it. Wait, he's soured on it then. Damn. I honestly, who could have predicted he would sour on it? Nobody. Nobody at all could have thought that they would. Anyone who liked Ahsoka would sour on Ahsoka. That's just crazy. I don't know what any of this means when he said it's just like whatever. Whatever. Obviously, he'll never sour on Ahsoka episode five.  It was fire. That was so good. That was television. That was fire. That was that was cooking. That was bro. We saw it in Skywalker and he made the red lights saber. But what I'm trying to say is, you know, not everything that. Wait, did he name Andal? No, he didn't because he probably doesn't consider that. Right. I thought he thought he does consider it good. Just boring. I assume that was sure. But I guess I guess good and boring, good and not Star Wars isn't part of the equation of talking about the greatness of Disney Star Wars. Right. Okay. Maybe maybe that he doesn't actually like it like at all. That's probably the truth. He probably does think it's bad or Disney's umbrella was garbage. Now, mind you, those things are created by Dave Floney and John Favreau. Yeah, a lot of bad things were created by those two. Yeah. You can't separate John Favreau from Lion King 2019, by the way. You can't. No, he's connected it. I digress. Obi-Wan Kenobi, the most important Star Wars project since Disney purchased Lucasfilm from George Lucasfilm. No, not as important as the sequels. I don't even think it's as important as The Force Awakens in a way. That was like your big moment of, can we take this forward? What's going to happen now with all the stuff you know in the universe going forward? But important is complicated because it can mean a lot of things. Because in 2012. It can, but like there's nothing more important than the sequels. Yeah, because we could have just stopped. That's the thing. So it's like what's the most important assuming we didn't just leave it alone and let it be what it was? The lowest budget of any Star Wars show to date. The Hulk gets a better budget than Obi-Wan. Yes, because Marvel was making more money more consistently than Star Wars. Yeah. Well, and it was, it was insane. That's not Kenobi's problem. This is not Kenobi's problem. They're different. Well, they're different. They're different departments. It's Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios. They're different companies. They're different production companies. I can barely entertain the conversation though. It's Kenobi's butt. It could have been, it could have been Ewan McGregor in a cave for the whole season. It could have been. No, but that was unfathomable. I imagine that for him, that's like not even in the realm of possibility for a, like, like the idea of a Star Wars show with like Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's entirely him going on like some spiritual journey, you know, like embarking on some like backpacking across the galaxy to learn more about the Force or something. Oh man, stop. I want to see that show. I absolutely would rather see the show of Obi-Wan traveling across a galaxy to like maybe, maybe like places of great religious significance. You know, it's of the Jedi. Like these ancient temples. Imagine him meeting people who are familiar very much so with the Force but have no connection to Jedi. Yes, and have entirely different perspective. Imagine if you learned about, you know, ways of going about being a Jedi that are completely independent of the Jedi Order. Remember that guy that was pretending to be a Jedi to make money? Bumping into someone like that would also be fun and cool and interesting. Yeah, but oh well. No, we don't get to have any of that. We have to have Vroom Vroom with Vader.  Like who is making these decisions up there? I'm sorry to make this kind of video, dude. But honestly, like who is making those decisions up there? Well, it's a Kathleen Kennedy's fault, right? It's all her fault. It's also, your anger is misplaced. It's not about the budgets.  Why Star Wars is in such a state. What is this? Walt Disney's stock, is it? What is that? What is that? Ivan looks. What's the stock? Well, to this, it's 81.25 currently. That's one day. That's one day's trading. Well, I think I assume the point he's making is that that's where it's sitting right now, whereas wasn't it double this in endgame times? Well, so year to date, they're down 4%, which is, you know, but what was it? Five years, they're down 27. Man, yeah, like they were at $200 in March of 2021.  That's right, everyone. Bye, bye, bye. And we would say like this, the whole reason for this, there's loads of things, but they're not, you know, the important elements are the destruction of the MCU and Star Wars and Indiana Jones and Willow, Lucasfilm as Jen, you know. Getting to that peak was like the big rally that happened, you know, in 2020, but yeah, it's, wow, that's, yeah, when you look at it, it's like, my God. No good. Where no one is interested anymore.   No, it's not because of the budget. No, it's not because of the budget. It's just the writing for both of those shows was garbage. Dude, if Kenobi had been given an extra 135 million, that doesn't, why would you think that would make it better? It changed anything. It just would have looked better. It probably would have looked better. You might have had an extra episode or something.  I don't understand. You know what? The budget wasn't even the biggest problem of the show. It's not the problem. It wasn't even the biggest problem. I think he's trying to realize that argument's useless. It's not going to have anything to do with anything. It's not the biggest problem. It's not a problem.  That is enough for a Kenobi show.  It's possible. You have fan films. You have fan fiction.   You don't need the money to make the... I'm not saying anything necessarily about his fan film. I'm saying that he would believe his fan film was good, I assume, and other people's ones.  That have no budget. The budget of an internet connection and a computer. That honestly garner more attention. Why do you think that is? Passion, creativity, insight, hard work, redrafting, a script, and love than the... A script. Garbage writing and directing. We got it. Yes, okay. Garbage writing. There we go. Hooray. That flew into the Kenobi show. You have the most important characters in Star Wars. Not only that. You're bringing back Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor. You get Jimmy Smits, everybody else.  The original... The prequel original. The prequel original. The original... The OGs, man. The OGs from the prequels.  You regress them. You focus on Riva. You make Chasing Layer literally. Start the video here. Where was all this when the show was coming out? That's true, too. Well, to be fair, I didn't watch his reviews, but... Okay, well, does anybody in shout-no? Was he favorable to this show for a while? I would go on a limb and say he must have not been, right? It was so bad. Oh, yeah.  You gotta remember. It took a couple of weeks. I remember the finale. I got a great reaction. It did. That's true. Like the most impossible thing to find a nine-year-old or a ten-year-old. And above all, you have open-handed combat from a civilian against stormtroopers.  No. No. No. Push back on that whenever you can. The stormtroopers suck. Stupid.  They should be fearsome. No reason for them to be anything other than men that's very straightforward.   It's like, what?  They don't get disoriented like that from, you know, a slap on the head. I suppose what's funny about that is it's more likely to get disoriented from, like, an attack on your helmet, I suppose, as a stormtrooper than it is, like, not to be able to shoot anything ever. Which of you guys is more incompetent? Never being able to hit your target or to be disoriented from an attack on your helmet? And never being able to hit seems like a crazy thing to happen. Which is from Mando Season 1, which is the goaded content from Disney, apparently. But then you also managed to give, literally, the worst script of all time the lowest budget of all time. I don't get it. The lowest budget of all time. Ninety million. Ninety million of all time. Ninety million dollars. Come on. Yeah, this is... Stop talking about the budget, please. I don't... I'm trying... Like, I'm trying to understand this. I'm really trying to... Who's making these decisions, dude? Let's give this script the crappiest script of all time. Let's regress the characters and then let's give them the lowest budget of the most important story in Star Wars, the most important characters in Star Wars. But let's just literally give them the bare minimum. The bare minimum. He just said there are... He just said there are fan projects that run on like zero budget. Now this is the bare minimum. Ninety million. Ninety million dollars. And it did not look cheap. The show looked like it was... There were aspects of it that looked cheap. There were aspects of it that looked cheap. That seems like just the norm now. But focus all of our attention in Andor! Which, yes, Andor is a great show for everyone who attended film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat. So they can twiddle their moustache at the same time and talk about the Renaissance era and how great things were back then while they sip on their wine from...  Can you imagine? It's just, it's just like... I'm sorry that Andor had like characters and themes and a plot that made sense, a logical progression of characters. I'm thinking about the eye in episode 6. Like actually good combat? How, like... Yeah, you know, when I think of Art House, I think of Andor. Yeah, that's the real out there stuff. When I think of the real avant-garde like indie films and television shows I think of Andor.   There is this weird disconnect, right?  Insanely boring.  Oh. It ain't. Sorry. It ain't. I mean if it's boring for you, it's boring for you I guess, but like I was I didn't need to see a lightsaber get waggled around every five minutes or Darth Vader's breathing for me to like be interested in a show. It turns out most TV shows don't have those things and yet somehow I'm able to get through them. Oh yeah, and it's captured some of it. Canobi had the same budget as Game of Thrones Season 8 which was one of the most expensive TV shows of all time when it came out, calling 90 million for six episodes the bare minimum is actually insane. It is nuts. Yeah, I mean he clearly I think this is less to do with Andor or more to do with him being told by Andor fans that Andor is good. Yeah. Like you can tell he's a bit pissed off that he has to keep mentioning Andor as like a sort of a caveat to a lot of the statements when he doesn't believe in it. Andor's good. Yeah. Okay. Andor's good. You like art film. You like art film. You like writing.  One who did film school and wants to eat their cheese with a French hat so they can twiddle their moustache at the same time and talk about the Renaissance era and how great things were back then while they sip on their wine from 19 I imagine his audience were a little bit annoyed with this too because there are going to be plenty of people they would love to have though. 22. Okay. Don't get me wrong. I liked Andor. Did you though? I don't believe you. I think you're saying that just to I just don't believe you. I th