and strategy if three friendly tracking at the units are wholly within nine inches of each other so i guess end of the game grouped up and have three units left that's so that's fine i mean it's achievable as long as you don't think you're going to get tabled right so yeah could be a big ask but i mean obviously the definition of one more there potentially it's the hardest core definition of when more i've ever seen yeah where like it's at the end of the game you can afford to take three or units and just have them fly over and stand next to each other yeah you don't you're not trying to do anything else in the last round you're not worried about your guys having died you're just like literally like yep we're just in we're just in cleanup mode now boys just float and stand together okay let's talk about ionis himself he ionis starts with 14 inch movie does go down uh he has a 16 wounds a three up save and a nine bravery um he has his little spirit scouring flames nine attacks three threes neg two one damage allegedly this is apparently what kills blood thirsters look out for that um and then he's got soul breaker his ancient claws and his time worn fangs of course um he's fine enough in melee the time worn fangs are two attacks on threes threes neg three rend three damage so it's good but it's only two attacks so whatever um neither he nor belthanos are war masters which kind of makes me angry um it feels like they both should be um spirit scouring flames each time a wound is caused by an attack made with spirit scouring flames is allocated to an enemy unit the unit is soul burned at the end of each hero phase roll a dice for each soul burned unit if the roll is equal to or less than the number of the current battle round that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds when a player uses an ability that allows them to heal any wounds that have been allocated to a unit instead of healing any wounds allocated to a soul burn unit that unit is no longer soul burned so okay he puts a dot on him yeah neat uh draconic horror enemy units cannot receive the rally and inspiring presence commands while they're within 12 inches of this unit now we're talking now that is how now this is pod racing okay that's how you shut off some command abilities you show him my onus get that get that garbo heroic action out of here uh it's hilarious to me that they have that heroic action in here when he has just like the vastly superior version on his scroll yeah well it'll let him split up is the key sure yeah i i understand i'm just saying like this is so it's funny how bad that one is compared to and it's a and it's a yeah whatever yeah it's an extra thing whereas this is just on the scroll yeah scry intent subtract one from the attack characteristic of melee weapons that target this unit to a minimum of one so cool just like big crondis and carzai and then the important part arch relic tour that's right he is our first super priest super priest he's super priest aow in your hero phase this unit can chant two prayers we got their folks we got there they have broken the seal we have lost containment the raptors are out of the cage okay they have breached the fences this was a un breachable wall we had spellcasters you know wizards casting one two three four 15 spells who cares right you got to gosh over there just going nuts read the nine books he's having a grand old time casting every spell under the sun he's got a 22 minute magic phase uh just on on like his spells alone right but the one prayer had been a sacrosanct rule no longer for the arch relic tour has arrived okay and anyways you can chant two prayers instead of one at the start of your hero phase you must say how many prayers is unit will chant if you say one uh it's automatically answered with a chanting roll of six if you say two you make chanting rolls for both prayers okay and at the start of the enemy hero phase you can pick one in the spell or in vocation within 12 inches unit roll a die on a two plus he he's like no he gives you the old decambé mutomo no yeah love it it's awesome i wish he could on a two up destroy and incarnate sure do i just banish that thing forever from the game right right as an aside you can never have him in the same army with crondis or carzai yeah it's not awesome because um you'd need three battle line units and the singles don't count as battle line and so it's ten crondis and carzai are a battle line in yeah crondis and carzai they're battle line oh in this sorry yeah i'm i i miss that sorry okay so i guess you could do like two units of two and then crondis or carzai and him and a hero him and a hero exact that's the exact list tom that i wrote initially yeah crondis because of the magic uh mystic shield etc you got a hundred points basically left over to get like comets or and if you do arcane tom on the draconis you go two in the spells right but yeah draconis prondis ionis two by two storm drake guard or maybe a two or and two ones well i guess no you'd have to be it'd have to be two by two yeah yeah you have to be two two by two two two by city yeah yeah yeah that's i don't know i that's a fun list like i'd love to play that i'm gonna be a lot of fun and then and then again a hundred points of endless spells but anyway yep uh and then lightning tempest lightning tempest is a prayer that has an answer value of three and a range of 18 inches if answered pick one enemy unit within range that unit is struck by lightning they've been thunder struck and they take d three mortal wounds then roll a die on one of two the tempest clears and the sequence ends on a three plus pick one other enemy unit within three inches and then their thunder struck and repeat this process until either there's no other enemy units or you fail the roll and you can't affect the same unit more than once per hero phase so yeah pretty good cool stuff foreign points he's not as absolute i rate this guy i don't think he's as amazing as um both on us yeah uh yeah he's a little expensive for what he's doing but i rate him yes yeah i would start by switching their point values uh 360 for him and 400 for both on us and see how that goes correct like that is actually the correct um the correct points they they are inverted yeah yeah uh so getting a lot of thoughts on this guy but tom do you any any thoughts on this no i mean he's really interesting like the thing that interests me the most i think is the um like beyond the obvious stuff like the prayer like his and his like there are a bunch of obvious easy to understand tools right like the prayers and the battle shock and the room reducing attacks and yada yada that's all fine um but the spirit scouring flames is actually something that's really interesting to me because it's nine of those shots in any of them connect have the ability to tag and and start burning of mortal wounds right it's not going to do a lot of work but i think it might end up doing more work than you anticipate because if he splits like like um those nine attacks and goes fours and fives like four on one five on another unit you'll likely tag both of them was with neg two rep like one of them is going to statistically get through on both um and so there just might be some really interesting um play with that that i think that people just aren't thinking about yet sure yeah yeah the fact that it shuts off healing the next time they try to heal they only just remove the soul burn is actually the most interesting part of that more more so than the dot itself yeah big fan of this guy uh so from a list building standpoint the first thought that came to mind was this guy is your alternative to what has been a main stave a lot of list lord relic tour or night relic tour high priest translocation translocation re-rolling either on a three up or two depending on the night or lord this guy gives you an auto translocate he does so so he he immediately can slot in instead of the lord or night relic tour that's really interesting and that then means that you can have your cake and eat it too from a list building standpoint so as we've often discussed the go-to grand strategy for stormcast the season has been spellcasting savant yeah particularly on like a lord arcane on griff charger because it's got the healing spell it's got the teleport hopping around you can generally it's got eight wounds so it's decent against aoe area area of effect damage and you can just do a pretty good job of keeping it alive during a game you fall off a cliff if that's not your grand strategy and you don't have a piece like it gets really rough for stormcast so you yeah iowness opens up the ability to do spellcasting savant on the right kind of piece still have your auto translocate uh yeah i he's another war scroll where like the hole can be great in some of the parts he really i think it's quite nuanced he adds up you know he's one of those pieces where he's a he's a toolbox in himself and yeah so i'm starting looking at a lot of different lists and kind of how we can slot in but i think he's got a lot of play one potential downside i mean he's four hundred points so he's gonna slot into like maybe what had been a hammer spot in a list right it's like you're taking out a hammer potentially in your list building to get this guy in there and he's not really hammer so you know he is additive he's doing things that you need to get to add up right uh you may also need to be looking at pray doors with him where maybe you like translocate pray doors pick the spot he then starts lighting people up on a side i don't know yeah i could see him as a harasser uh but i find him a really fascinating piece in my mind and very very viable if he were a little cheaper he would be absolute yeah like you would see him a lot do the base prayers in the stormcast book allow for unique units to take the prayers oh gosh am i getting that wrong i have to look i don't think so because it was the first book that dropped yeah i don't think the unique exception ended up in a lot of the later books but i'm not sure the stormcast actually has it in there like oftentimes they made exceptions for spells and prayers for unique units but i don't remember correct melly pointed out uh brawn who makes us yes they do specifically so i don't know why so there you go but the good news here is as brawny noted is that he's not faction law right he's not actually yeah yeah totally yeah he left the hammers yes he's he's out yeah talk about that in the story slash of indicators he's got you know anyway this guy has got a lot of play in my mind yeah so okay good yes they do so yes he can he can translocate no issue there you go i couldn't remember whether they created that exception for that or not um yeah by the way hit like everyone for awesome myonus kriphorn coming back into the game or just because it's been a while since i've said so and clicking like is a good thing to do uh all right let's keep going we got we got we got more stuff to cover and we're going a while all right the black talons so this is all taken as one big thing and it's three units it's neve the black talons and then the idk caster it's 340 points for the lot okay um neve's attacks got a lot better with her whirlwind axes so she's three up eight inch move six wounds her whirlwind axes are now seven attacks twos threes neg two rend two damage uh she gets one she gets uh she goes to three damage when fighting heroes she can run and still shoot and or charge later in the turn and uh immediately after this unit has fought and slain models uh if any uh have been removed from play you can roll a die on a two plus remove this unit from the battlefield and set it up again more than three inches from all the units and holy within three inches of a friendly the black talons unit that is more than three inches from all the units so she can like fight go out fight slay the crap out of something and then whip back to to them as a home base which is pretty amazing mobility yeah very hard to bring her down so uh you know pretty cool um sickness is better but still not what she should be i mean this is a pretty good scroll my my problem is i totally take her alone for like 120 points i'm not sure i love her for 340 as part of this little contingent but we'll see then you've got neve's companions who are all three wound models right um there's three of them in this in this grouping um so hendrik uh rostus and uh shekana right um and then they've got their weapons and stuff that they've gotten right um overall they make you know some attacks they're okay is is what i would say um it's not amazing nothing here is amazing on their their actual profile they're fine their elite they can issue orders themselves um they can bodyguard for other black talons heroes um for neve they can keep her alive which is cool right on a two up so they have like a very strong bodyguard rule for her and um like the head shot neg three three damage thing is only against enemy heroes so you have to use rapid shot otherwise head shot it's fine right and then larai um which is the the idk she's a wizard she does wizard things she has a ward of five up you know um she has nebulous sea fog um until the start of your next hero phase shooting attacks the target friendly the black talons units that are wholly within six inches of this unit only score a hit on unmodified roll of six that's pretty okay you're taking a lot of stuff that's ostensibly just making the black talon go kick butt right because you can set up the spell to make the black talons basically immune to shooting so they can sit back behind the line and uh you know be like um be deck chair sitters on a back objective and then they can keep teleporting back to them for safety right so okay i like it uh yes sorry sickness larai does larai could be bodyguarded as well she does have other black talons um keyword so yeah what do you what do you what do you like it tom what do you think um i think that it so it's funny because both of the because it's a unit of three models right so they end up yeah yeah so they look out sir both larai and nave right right and then they also bodyguard and you can give them only being shot on a six and so actually it becomes this really interesting little unit um that's going to count for two four seven seven models on an objective so they're going to outscore a like a monster that comes in like not a giant obviously and nave can put some real hurt and be really hard to touch like from the skirmishy standpoint like i just i think that there's actually like there's a little bit of play here even at 340 um and it's interesting because there's hammers of sigmar and a normal me like uh do these do these set up all independently yeah they're independent units yeah yeah because then technically you could thunder strike you know you could drop some of them from the heavens in a standard stormcast army um not not the wizard but the other the the unit and nave i don't know like i think that there might be something here is what you say yeah you could like have two different uh treat the three the companions as an independent operator or vice versa with larai uh like like what you're saying scions neve's companions put larai on the table and so that you have two different points where you can fall back to with with neve as one example of what you might do obviously you're highly incentivized to keep them all together but yeah yeah they're just like it's just interesting to me that like um i think that there could be some really interesting plays and i think that there's probably some synergies that even like at first glance i haven't thought about um that that's probably here yeah that's kind of where i'm at honestly i mean i do agree events you can make a strong case that 340 is a little high obviously yeah yeah it's a lot to be paying when you're but you're getting three units you're getting heroes uh a separate nonhero unit yeah that can all deploy maybe if you break it down it's not too bad and i mean yeah and like that's the hero is a good high damage foot hero like navy's gonna put out real damage and and you're not gonna be able to pin her down because like if you don't charge her she is going if you don't charge and attack her first she's going to attack and then teleport away every single time hopefully yeah you're obviously you have the opportunity to roll the one with a with wind rider so well you always do but but which i do like that they had that in there you know i mean like the first thought was again leeroi jinker and her into is just even a screen immediately round one throw into her screen she's got a 20 what a 8 16 21 inch threat range yeah 21 inch average threat range uh that you're gonna probably get into a screen with a lot of these maps and but then yeah you could roll that one and now she's potentially dead so i like that that's there uh but i i like this war scroll are these war scrolls i like this package i think it's really cool design uh she's she's a nice piece i think she's going to be an ally piece for a number of lists uh this is just another example in my mind of design where you really have to start breaking it down adding it all up looking at different use cases it doesn't scream like right it's it's not linear it's not obvious necessarily how you're going to get great value consistently out of this but you start adding everything up six attacks from neve's companions three attacks from her shots uh even the profiles on what the the companions themselves can do right there's many layers to this in my mind uh levitate potentially on neve to be able to fly over the top of the screen get into some juicy bits he needs a delivery mechanism with her uh maybe beyond just the 20 minute average threat range but that's really good in itself so i don't again i could ramble forever about this but it's another one i really love the design of this personally i could easily see playing this in a list and feeling pretty good about it so yeah i like it yeah like it feels like a fair go track that's interesting yeah i mean i well boy that's a stretch of a comparison that is like when people say it's basically a time walk that's what you just said um but like it's um it's it is a like the the cap is lower because she's not rolling rolling all hits and right like go track was um and she's not dropping more like a d6 mortals on a natural hit of six but she's doing a lot of damage particularly against heroes and she's going to be hard to kill period i understand yeah i guess yeah i i mean my with her bodyguard with a two-up bodyguard sure i understand if i was paying for navel alone at 150 i i put navel in a ton of armies and think she was super cool 340 is a lot of points on five dinguses it just is in this army it's like the way you go rolling in stormcast is over investing into heroes this isn't magic okay because there's a very simple road to hell on for stormcast and it's well over invest in bad heroes right and this feels like exactly that like that's that it's that simple you're paying for three you're paying 340 points for a decent melee foot assassin the worst role in the game okay she's good at it i mean i don't know that she's like al-tharian good or sigvald good but she's pretty good right and she's up there like i'll give her i'll give her top five of the worst role in the game and then your rest of your points are for a bad caster and three deck chair sitters that if they ever get in combat if the enemy ever gets in combat with them your teleport beacon just went away um because she can't teleport back to them if they're in combat right but she could go back to laurine like even if she can't go to them like you just you keep their some distance between laurine and and the foot here yeah i mean not much you don't want lauri to get shot off the freaking table sure well but lauri even lauri alone is sitting on a five up board as well like a four up five up it's not terrible i get it i get it yeah it's just i don't buy it for 340 if you told me this whole package is 250 here's here's here's my condemnation of this if you told me this whole package is 250 i'm still not sure i'd take it yeah pretty hard to screw that there for what it's worth like i that's that's how that's how much i'm not into this now model wise these are like the best models they've ever made in the storm cast range they're incredible every one of them talked about it was gorgeous if we don't see one of these at golden demon done as a unit then then we have a community we as a community have failed we have failed you we have failed this city okay let's keep going ogres uh all right oh graze uh boom all right so oops the roving ma the ma pits of gur at the start of each battle round after determining which player will take the first turn you must determine the hunger status of the ma pits on the battlefield by rolling 2d6 if you included a ma pit in your army add the number of models slain by its head butcher ability during the battle to the roll if the ma pit is garrisoned by the head butcher add one to the roll then pick one result from the ma pit table that has a score equal to or less than your modified dice roll to apply for that battle round a unit is vulnerable to ma pits if it is on the battlefield unless it is wholly within one inch of a terrain feature that is not a ma pit or it can fly this ability has no effect on roving ma units so congratulations night haunt for being immune to this to this feature that's fun that is so much ridiculous math 2d6 one for everything you killed one for the head butcher then roll then select your one thing off the table a lot of text there a lot of text like i just okay there has to be a better way driven by starvation friendly gorge units that are not wholly within one inches of terrain feature at the start of your charge phase can attempt to charge even if they ran okay cool fine just don't run them near terrain great so and then all your gorgers have run in charge so that's cool for each butcher including your army you can include one gorge unit as battle line okay it's cool i like that that's simple enough uh raven is brute if a friendly ogre unit is more than three inches from all enemy units it's hungry if it's blah blah blah this is just the the hungry eating rule and then might makes right is just the we count as two slash you know whatever whatever right okay two five blah blah blah we have advanced capture and then gobbling bites the same gobbling bites rule okay who can be included in the roving maw you might ask well i'm glad you did thank you for asking you have to be an ogre maw tribe's keyword and either the gut busters or gorgers keyword heroes can only be included if they are not unique okay okay okay so gut buster or gorgers and heroes that are not unique okay so that's our that's our that's our team here so no i can't even think of a unique maw tribes hero uh the the um pirate guy out of underworld's pirate guy okay all right okay that's a technicality but fine we got him all right we keep we keep going sure uh all right yeah and then there's another named underworld's hero too as well but the pirate was the funnier one for the joke um at any rate um the hunter is the other one okay okay yeah the roving maw uh so you're rolling 2d6 plus theoretically always one because you could always have a headbutcher like garrison in the maw pit theoretically so like so so like that should be fairly automatic because you're doing 2d6 plus one and then if if the score goes up then you you know i could go up in there right okay on a two or three rolled snake eyes basically nothing happens otherwise peckish subtract one from the bravery characteristic of units that are vulnerable to maw pits so minus one bravery let's now remind ourselves who's vulnerable to maw pits because this now matters again not dragons and not uh night haunt holy within one inches of it uh it so how do you get immune how do you how are you not vulnerable to maw pits why you fly or you be holy within one inch of a terrain feature you walk on to other terrain so you be sylvaneth where you're always in your woods where you're just like setting up woods and then walking in it right okay or or fly yes oops all dragons immune to all effects on this table night haunt immune to all effects on this table right okay cool uh because everything here is about vulnerable to maw pits right so four to five is minus one bravery who cares six to eight uh is on a five up they take a mortal wound nine to eleven uh is actually quite strong units that are vulnerable to maw pits that do not have the hero keyword cannot issue commands so like shuts off unit champion issuing pretty pretty strong ability certainly and then 12 plus ravenus uh a d three mortal wounds for all those on a four instead of a five up and for units you said it was gorgers and what gorgers and gut buster keyword so that would be your basic ogres uh your like your ogre gulletons your um iron like iron guts iron man eaters man eaters yeah exactly okay sagnus maximus said can't your units just walk arithmically that is correct well if you walk without rhythm you won't attract the worm as we all know so uh so this is this i mean okay i really don't like these rules let me tell you i don't like these rules let's assume you're fighting something that's completely vulnerable to maw pits okay like you're fighting i don't know like a cornless without a bloodthirster there you go nobody's flying they're not gonna tend to be on terrain right unless they just walk on to terrain but like which they certainly could do with all their years they care about but let's just assume that you roll that rumbling you've got to roll every unit on the table for them five up five up and then mark a mortal wound it's the same reason i hated spirit gale yeah right um so like i mean it's cool because it's battle wide like army like table wide i should say right but uh but this is like a lot of words for not a lot of effect okay it's fine it's fine yeah exactly command traits master maw feeder this general knows all the spells from the lore of the great maw in addition to any other spells they know okay cool it's fine like you're gonna have a butcher or um uh slaughter master general so okay uh i probably still wouldn't take that one but it's fine it's not bad it's fine uh your artifact is morsels from the maw pit uh once for battle at the start of your hero phase you can pick one maw pit in your army that's within nine inches the bearer and that has been affected by a rule that says you cannot use the scenery rule in this war scroll and roll a die on a two up that maw pit is no longer affected by that rule and you can use the scenery rules on his war scroll once more this is the trace buster buster what are we doing what are we doing here that's what this is i know i'm aware this is a trace buster buster share with share with the class so it says no i refuse you either audience you either get this reference or you don't and if you do you're cool and buster buster yeah by the way everybody keep the comments coming given this guy a hard time about how much you hate him talking about a game you have no idea what the hell he's talking about i love those comments so much when i see them i you know it's it's so fascinating to me like on so many levels um because there's there's already like anti anti smash durable tech with the maw pit itself yeah right and so now they're like no dog if they're going in you can really make sure it's not going trace buster buster buster this this ball pit is so essential to the functioning of this army we have got a stick we have sunk so much this artifact is like the definition of sunk cost fallacy we have thrown so much good money after bad by investing all of your rules into this dumb terrain piece that we better make sure you can always use it and the best part about it is you know how they would have gotten around all of this is just say the mall pit is immune to this master rubble feature how much text could have been avoided yeah absolutely exactly 2016 movie the big hit all right google uh 2016 oh son oh oh that is definitely not 2016 1998 yeah we're all 18 years that is a correct statement yeah that is like mark that is some peak marky mark right there oh wow i miss this movie all right it is you did indeed miss this movie it has aged like cottage cheese left in the sun mixed with the finest of wines it is a singular experience at any rate this isn't a movie review show but yeah one of one of my favorite movies of all time that is also deeply problematic okay great jacking oh Jesus christ yes okay at any rate let's keep going because this has become me quoting that movie it is very quotable uh battle tactics uh you complete this tactic of an enemy model uh sorry you complete this battle tactic if any enemy models were slain by the mall pits head butcher ability this turn okay we you have to remember how the mall pit works but we talked about it in a previous sort of show a little bit in the news and like it's i don't like it but okay um slavery ambush like that's it's very swingy is the answer to that battle tactic you complete this tactic of a friendly gorgers unit was set up on the battlefield using the ambushing hunter's ability this turn and made a charge move great complete this tactic by rolling a nine up okay awesome very fun uh and then we eat at them all pick one objective controlled by your opponent you complete this tactic if you control that objective at the end of this turn and there are no enemy models contesting it the only reasonable one just kill everybody on an objective sure okay fine great uh there is like two bad battle tactics here and one that is good that's like fine achievable but with combat in the way then you've got your spell lure uh okay so what if I took the lure of the great mall I get these three spells that's my command trait what am I getting for that command trait well I get mall meat cast about a six range of 18 pick one terrain feature within range invisible to the caster for the rest of the battle units on or within one inch of that terrain feature are vulnerable to mall pits so it's your once again with this this counter your weird play play pattern technology oh you're going to run on terrain to save yourself I've got a spell that will stop you and make you vulnerable to my minimal effects great what was the other spell you get a six in the regular ogre book like plus one to attacks right something like that plus one to rent I don't know that feels that I'm those are what they are I'm being I'm being funny those feel better sure then you ran on terrain so now I use a spell that makes you vulnerable to my middling level effect yeah okay I had a I had a friend who told me he predicted that you're gonna hate hate this we're on pace so far oh I hate I hate everything about this like absolutely hate this army yes this is everything wrong with the design of an army I like just which is just me personally I'm speaking for me if this is something that you love and like this really speaks to you I'm excited that this is a thing yeah that speaks to you I just want to know one thing why please share with me in the comments below or right now he's being really negative again Tom what about this this thing is good to you I am very deeply curious maybe some people like having all in on their weird dream piece I don't know maybe you think having a a big giant tooth I can't say it I'm sorry I just broke myself okay I don't I don't think I've ever seen that I've never seen that happen that that's a new experience I like that oh Jesus okay here we go so what I'll say is this this is all inherently flawed and not for any of the reason that we've articulated so okay like so in the bundle box do you get one of these mall pets you do yeah okay it's in the thing with the gorgers and the hunt the hunt people or whatever no ho ho that's what I wanted to know so no I'm back on here's the inherent flaw it's not even for this game oh what you just articulated comes in a box for a different game that contains a unit for another army yep that's where I was going we're gonna need to they lost me they lost me publishing this feature in a box for another game with a unit for a different army sure all right let's keep going that explains the entire problem like there is no there is no regent around we're now box with this army with this piece that's the problem we got to keep we got to keep moving yes you warp zone you can take other models you can take all the gubbusters units and non-unique gubbuster heroes okay at any rate retcher casting by seven successfully cast until your next hero phase improve the rend characteristic of melee weapons used by the caster by two hard pass cool on the butcher or the slaughter master guys I'm not getting into combat okay also garbage awful bringer casting by of six in a range of 12 successfully cast pick one enemy unit within range invisible to cast her your opponent must make move up to six inches oh Jesus Christ I start thinking back oh man I've never seen him lose it like this before I just can't I in I can't I started watching this show in 2015 July 2015 laugh so hard with what's in my head right now but I can't say it anyways it is after midnight within range invisible to the caster your opponents must make a move up to six inches with that unit all the models in that unit must finish that move within three inches of the caster if it is possible for that unit to make a move if it is impossible for that unit to make the move it suffers d3 mortal wounds instead after that unit has moved if the unit is within three inches of the caster and the caster is within six inches of a mopet in your army you can immediately use the mopets head butcher ability you must pick that enemy unit to be the target woof yeah okay so you're trying to pull a unit in so you get extra use the head butcher thing that's I mean that's that is a lot of text to effectively that's what's gonna happen okay I don't like it you might this might surprise you Tyler but this was not the spell that turned me around on this garbage spell list okay I'm I'm getting like serious 2017 vibes from this some of the rules here the writing 20 2017 2018 all right yeah and then the empty stomach when the battle ends you complete this grand strategy of six or more enemy models were slain by the mopets head butcher ability okay cool yeah all right so let's talk about the units the gorger mopet we talked about these on a previous show so I'm not going to cover them too good or too too deeply but sorry too deeply I like the gorger mopet I don't think it's interesting in ogre units 220 points I don't think it's too bad for five of these guys they're five wounds each so it's 25 wounds for 220 points they don't they you know obviously they can become battle line in this army right mm which is cool um because you're gonna have butchers so like there's no reason you wouldn't that you're not going to get some of these guys battle line I like their ambush ability I think it's pretty good um because they can they have they have classic good ambush set them up anywhere nine inches away that's like yeah yeah and they shut off commands like they're and they're they're like decent in combat three attacks each three three snag one two damage okay yeah not bad yeah like they're fine and they have a champion need so I don't know this army at all that's why I'm being so quiet uh is that you guys know if there's a delivery mechanism for these guys to actually make a a charge as opposed to just roll lines nope no it's all right at everything's a coin flip great okay the whole army the whole army runs on coin flips okay spell the buffs all of its point yeah lovely but I still think like it's a pretty meaty ambushing unit to drop down that's what's interesting about it so it's not too many points like it is a good wound to to again oh yeah it's a good wound to point ratio for an ambushing unit mm-hmm so like I don't hate this in regular in in regular ogres or uh like this army for now which I would never ever play or could not recommend in good conscience for anyone to play um but like yeah it's fine um since it got referenced so much we should talk about the mop hits head butcher and refresh everybody as to how that works okay the way it works is um if this terrain feature has a head butcher which is just a butcher garrisoning it right that's that's how that is working mm-hmm you can say that an offering will be made if you do so pick one enemy unit within 18 inches of this terrain feature and roll a d6 if the roll is more than twice that enemy unit's wound characteristic one model in that unit is slain if the roll is more than three times that enemy unit's wounds characteristic three models in that unit are slain that's the head butcher ability okay the reason I hate this so much and was so dismissive of it is because what I'm picturing you going up against is like the obr stalker uh uh mortis guard army and it's like okay there are zero valid targets in that army you cannot achieve it on the dice these guys started five wounds right yep mm-hmm uh the sons of batman army nope got nothing there the storm drake guard army was just talked about nope no target like there are there are many armies where you will set up against them and across the table half to three quarters the army is just not a valid target for this ability your allegiance ability does nothing right and so like the battle tactic relying on head butcher the spell that does an extra head butcher activation all these things that care about being a head butcher it just it does nothing there are zero to very minimal valid targets in the enemy army that is my problem fair yeah I don't have much to say yeah about trumps next yeah with apologies to monstros players I I need to learn that army I mean you don't it's fine I mean I play gut busters actually um here you go I like my gut busters it's it's I'll probably try yeah yeah I've been right I've played monster trucks but yeah good it's a great army to practice painting okay fair I love that army it's very well very well defined musculature I need to get Eric to do a sprite for for Larry the yogurt because he's just as much a mask out of this channel as anything else I like I'm out of easy man probably 40 videos so you know okay he's appeared in almost as many videos as Tom so you know it's pretty good uh all right the loft I've been here I've been here since 2015 I'm just messing with you um the loft near droth keepers okay so this is a fire slayers army so who is allowed in this one every unit your army must have the fire slayers keyword and unique units can only be included if they have the loft near keyword all the units in your army gain the loft near droth keepers keyword in other words take a fire slayers army and it's now loft near yes you can't take the uh you can't take the named heroes is the key like uh the warband stuff right yep yeah that's right but like you otherwise can build with your army right nothing is cut out I mean fire slayers is a very small range to begin with but to be fair you you get all of it right to be fair to be fair so no go trick no go trick daring tamers the strike last effect applies to enemy monster units while they're within three inches of two or more friendly Vulcan flame seekers units so kind of cool um you got I mean it's it's fine uh honor bound droth masters friendly Vulcan flame seekers units have the battle line battlefield role in addition for each Vulcan flame seekers unit including your army you can include one auric rune sun on magma droth as a battle line unit which is fun uh and then flame filled beasts you can pick up to three loft near droth keeper units in your army to have different mount traits instead of one so you get three mount traits um like like loft near would normally do um skilled droth wranglers um once per turn in your movement phase you can pick one friendly Vulcan flame seekers unit holy within six inches of a friendly magma droth that is not yet moving in that phase and say it will hitch a lift on the magma droth if you do so after the move that magma droth instead of making a move with the unit remove the battlefield and set it up again on the battlefield holy within 16 of that magma droth and more than three from all enemy units so very much like what we talked about with the um what you mentioned with the ko thing you know the hitching right but this is actually pretty cool like this can actually move these little Vulcan flame seekers around the unit around the around the board and then protective family uh like that's a huge amount of movement you just got because it's holy within six so like that's you're really slingshotting these guys to the other side because the magma droth run so i mean like six inches back plus a run plus six inches ahead i mean you have just whipped these dudes across the battlefield and then protective family while a friendly Vulcan flame seekers kindle droth is within one inch of a friendly magma droth that Vulcan flame seekers unit has a ward of five up wow yeah pretty it's actually really interesting this is the most impactful thing because when i read the Vulcan flame seeker scroll originally i'm not gonna lie i'm pretty unimpressed with that scroll base oh sure yeah but if you give that scroll a ward of five up i'm suddenly much different on that scroll uh so like it's and basically you just need to then run them in little power pairs right like rune sun and on magma and this guy so for these guys okay it's cool i mean which makes sense they're probably hitching around on on one anyway so yeah so the key is is that the magma droth like the kindle droth gives the the the flame seeker it's a five up ward yeah the little they're a little dog yeah so yeah the magma droth doesn't get a five up the magma droth doesn't get a five up but the but the foot unit gets a five up correct which is what makes me hotter on the foot unit hotter get it yeah fire slayers yeah um but yeah like i don't like them base but them with a ward of five up that's pretty good actually it means you it means you got to keep the little doggy alive but just don't get your dog eating or whatever so sure sure um all right and then you've got new monsters rampages of course because it's a you're gonna have it's theoretically a pretty magma droth heavy force right i mean ideally i think the way they imagine you building this is with you know multiple ruin suns on magma droth and multiple vulgar flame seeker units right correct and so uh rearing punches pick one enemy within three inches unit roll two dice add two to each roll if that unit's a monster for each five up that unit suffers d three mortal wounds so like second stomp but actually good against monsters instead of batting it instead of unusable against monsters well it makes me sad that you lose your d six um your uh or your d three plus three monster rampage by take sure like you're losing your actual good one yeah your base fire slayer one which are good yep uh magma fueled grasp pick one enemy monster within three inches unit roll a dice on a three plus improve the red characteristic of melee weapons used by other not weird uh at any rate uh pick one enemy monster did you get the whole read you pick a monster you roll a die on a three up everybody else attacking that monster gets plus one rent well not everybody else just your draft keepers so other heroes other magma droths don't get that rent only the keeper i mean that's that's everybody that's everybody in your army has the loft near droth droth keeper keyword oh okay sorry i was thinking of the the flame keepers yeah it's that no this one isn't tied to the flame seekers yeah this can be anybody this could be hearth guard berserkers if you had them sure why not flame seekers flame keepers yeah yeah whatever and then eruption of ferocity pick one enemy unit within three inches unit roll a die on a two up ward rolls cannot be made for models in that unit until the following combat phase entirely excited about that rule i'm flipping it off right now you just can't see it it's it's happening i got got uh got to enjoy my prime having his war shut off by student sigmar the other night loved it now now you get a two up shutting off them ward saves for all the neural units siding as a monster's rampage that this is definitely going to happen like this is a good monster's rampage yeah all the magma droths i mean yeah this one's great like legitimately great so especially because it's on a two up so what is happening i'm seeing some good stuff here with farce layers so the funny thing is is that you get three extra mount traits yeah but do they get distinct mount traits here or uh yeah they do yes we're about to get there one yes boop here they are here you go okay so your command trait uh is improve the rent characteristic of melee weapons used by friendly loft loft near droth keepers units that do not have the magma droth keyword and are wholly within nine inches of this general by two if the target is a monster that's right so like your flame seeker units or hearth guard berserkers or whatever like because you're god you will rip monsters apart yeah that is wild yeah really strong uh i mean given you got to fight you know fairly close to the general but okay you know so my my only issue is so much of this army is really built around fighting monsters as we'll see again in the artifact in a moment and like if you're going up against the aforementioned obr army extremely high performing right now the ko army extremely high performing right now um the the good seraphon bombing army extremely high performer right now very little monsters little too none you have zero targets for any of these special abilities right so but i mean hey if you fight like some sunspam or something boy are they gonna rue the day rue it rue it okay and yes that is neg three rent total it's crazy crazy rent like you'll have because hearth guard or what neg one base well you still have your room do you still you still get your room you don't know no runes buddy it wasn't in the battle traits you ain't striking runes in this force no you're striking that feels like a mess i mean quickly yeah explain to me again the loftner thing like this is a loftner army but it's not a loftner army this is just an army of renown that's is it replacing everything from the fire slayer's book or yeah i didn't i didn't take any units yeah you can take anything any nonunique units as long as they they uh the okay sorry the unique units can't they have to have the loftner keyword which i don't think any of them do um okay but like that's that's it it's just you can you can build this as you could pick a completely normal fire slayer's army and build it as this like i got it this is still all self-contained this is all you're getting as usual with armies of renown otherwise correct okay yeah no no striking your runes no none of that this is the whole i just wanted to double check that okay cool yeah and it's funny because like grim rafts don't get their thing because that's an illegal yeah it is yes correct that is gone yeah um which is why in the story they only mentioned doom seekers and not grim rath berserkers yeah i don't know like i yeah yeah okay um grim nears gift while the bearer is contesting an objective each enemy monster contesting that objective counts as two models regardless of any other abilities that would allow that monster to count as more models such as mightier makes rightier they even put it in there so now king broad you thought you counted as 25 you count as two wow yes no pizza oven either correct no pizza oven no runes no none of that if you if i didn't say it here you don't get it because the normal book ceases existing yeah yeah i just wasn't clear what exactly you were getting but okay thanks for clarifying that nothing yeah well you're getting the truth the troop choices you yeah you're getting anyway we already went over it okay uh that's really good yeah i mean it boy again like take that sons of badmont like you're you're getting hacked low that's for sure uh mount traits all right so we got uh three of them because you get three of them so you're gonna have three of them so here's the three of them pek dross in your movement phase before this unit makes a move you can pick one friendly vulcan flame seekers unit to hit your lift on this magma dross see the skilled dross rangers battle trait even if another unit has already hitched a lift on a magma dross in the same phase the same unit cannot hitch a lift on a magma dross more than once per phase and multiple units kind of hitch a lift on the same one so effectively you can do this with two units instead of one that's all it is i don't know why you didn't why this i do not know why this rule isn't just you may use the skilled dross rangers ability twice on two separate units sure but okay uh red hot fury at the end of the enemy charge phase before carrying out monstrous rampages if this unit is more than three inches from all enemy units it can attempt a charge it must finish the charge move within half an inch of an enemy unit that is itself within three inches of a friendly vulcan flame seekers kindle dross okay that's that's good it's a little dog so yeah off turn charging okay yep that's really good and then scalding steam breath if the target is a monster the damage characteristic of this unit's blazing maw is three instead of d three okay it's fine uh and then battle tactics circle of the circle the magma dross you complete this tactic at the end of this turn any friendly loft near droth keeper units are within six inches of the center of the battlefield and there are one or more friendly loft near droth keeper units wholly within each large quarter of the battlefield seems like such a mistake so you gotta you gotta get to the middle and then yep be just from a mobility standpoint like that will basically never happen well you you'd need to have the pack droth and you would run your two dudes to the center and then they would drop the guys on the other side like the magma dross would like imagine this is the center of the table they would pull them up the they'd pull up in their taxis the magma dross would stop they pitch out the guys on the other side of the line and now one two three four that's how you do it right so like it is doable with with that thing right are there small quarters yes there are actually they never really never gets used as rules but it is a core rules defined thing as is a large quarter um you have four small quarters in every large quarter that is a rule they could do that um even though they're not actually quarters they're 11 by 15 or whatever okay sulfur seam pick one objective that is partially or wholly within enemy territory and one terrain feature or faction terrain feature that is partially or wholly within enemy territory and more than six inches from that objective you complete this tactic if you control both of them at the end of the turn so go control terrain go control one objective actually super doable uh there's a little bit of map dependency here based on sort of the the nature of some smaller deployment zones um yeah like uh geometric pulse with four in the middle those four the only the four objectives are not in anybody's territory yeah right um so uh like that's where you'll run into problems and and so it really matters this it really like the scenario impacts this a lot yeah because there's somewhere this is just like auto doable and there's somewhere it's literally impossible fun um which one is it who knows uh igneous wranglers pick one objective partially or wholly within enemy territory um and one other objective anywhere on the battlefield you complete this tactic if you control both objectives at the end of this turn and both are contested by friendly Vulcan flame seekers units same issue again same issue yep same issue uh and then finally the grand strat when the battle ends you complete this grand strat if there are no enemy monsters in your territory okay that seems like that's actually a pretty good grand strat because again if you set up against all those armies I mentioned autocomplete three free points and like you have the stuff in this army to kill monsters like crazy right so I mean it is just like this is this is a much better version of slaughter the sorcerer or whatever yeah sorcery yeah yeah yeah just because you're set up to do it well yeah you're set up to do it extremely well and many armies you set up against you'll just own this you'll just like you will start the game up three points because they just don't have any monsters in their army right okay and then finally the Vulcan flame seekers themselves two wounds five up save we did review these guys before they get their little kindle droth guy he is cute I mean I'll give it to him he's a cute little boy I love a dog and uh 140 points the models are nice the models are really nice these are absolutely the best looking fire slayers they've ever made in fact I would go so far as say they are the first non-ugly fire slayers so that's and I'm a known fire slayers hater so there we go um they shut off monsters rampages there are 140 points for um you know for for yeah for yeah 18 wounds uh yeah that's right 18 ones yeah which is not bad like they're only on a five up save they're very fragile but again when if these guys are five up five up I don't think I'm I think I'm back on board for these dudes like I think I like them in the army of renown actually quite a bit I'm not sure I love them in the the base fire slayers army I'm not sure what they're doing no it's kind of the opposite of the other ones I don't know what they're doing in fire slayers they're not doing anything in normal fire slayers like you have to be running them in this unit yeah um because they're I mean they're a touch cheaper than like volkites or whatever but their profile is nowhere near what you like okay I mean yeah but in the army of renown where these guys could potentially be anywhere between like rend one and rend three right yeah yeah I mean that's what I'm saying like in this but in this setup it's solid um you're losing all your runes which is problematic but but it I mean it may be a worthwhile choice you just need to accept that there are sometimes your your abilities are simply going to do nothing against the enemy force because there's just no monsters yep I mean if this unit's rend turns on because of the command trait or the the monster rampage or whatever you know etc etc um this unit does make 25 attacks yeah uh 25 attacks I mean I think the thing that I struggle with when I look at this is that in order for me to run this I need to buy 60 you know like I have to buy six boxes a model hmm because you're likely going to run 60 or you know like you know 9 18 9 18 18 9 or something right like something along that that lines and then a bunch of magma draw because you're not going to use almost any of your normal troops in this army when you've got these guys like you might use some uh some hurt card um probably not oryx but your your magma dross are you know like you're gonna be primarily magma dross in these yep um and in light of that like I just don't know I don't know yeah I here's what I'll say I don't hate this army over now and it's my honest answer I never really liked the runes that much anyways um like I just I hate weird bookkeeping things like that I never I never cotton to them as an that is an allegiance ability um I kind of like their allegiance abilities these guys do seem to have a pretty clear play pattern they are very good at something like it they are very good at killing monsters like really really good at that thing which is cool and they do have a lot of mobility which I appreciate it actually they they compensate for one of the fire slayers sort of main weaknesses right and you can still have uh you could still take like a rune smiter earthguard berserker total combo thing in there if you wanted that piece in there too so it's not like you have to go all in on theme right you do still like other than losing your grim wrath and and the that kind of stuff you you still do have access to a lot of your normal tools so I actually quite like the army over now and I think it's pretty cool I like the command trait yeah I like them I like the monster strand pages it's got some need abilities I don't think it's bad yeah I mean again and I guess the chat might not fire slayer players it's for non-fire slayer players right because you're basically going to be repainting an entirely new army um if you want to do this because you have to go deep in to really make it worthwhile and then even then like you're going to do 60 of these guys probably you're going to do a father and two sons um and then you have like 160 more points or 160 more points sure um and so you could drop you could go down to like you drop one unit of these guys and get 300 points but again like I just like I like I struggle with how you're gonna outfit that if that's the route you go right um yeah I don't know I just I think I don't think that this is going to be realistic that's all right let's close it out let's close it out here right because we're this has gone long very long so dawn bringers book three overall I want to want to get your final thoughts Tyler final thoughts on dawn bringers book three final thoughts I'm definitely a fan of so they knocked bell funnos and anus out of the park I'm intrigued by neve and company I want to try that out I think they could be a nice ally in some armies the aor on sylvaneth and stormcast are solid the sylvaneth one is a little wonky with a few things but I think if both of them are excellent entry points they're doing what they need to do I think a great army with the so I didn't say this would be like six by right of Lancers two by three revenant seekers six swords three swords bell funnos arch revenant that was the list that I put together quickly great I'm gonna solve this you don't have screens but whatever you're there have a good time uh yeah so a huge fan of that part like I didn't look too closely at the other parts and I really enjoyed your story time so thank you then very good tom what's your summary what's your final I mean I already have uh stuff on pre-order right like that that's where I'm at like I like it that much not fire slayers but um so uh stormcast stormcast yeah there you go good man um because between that and storm a stormbreaker storm whatever uh I'm getting draggard I'm getting dragons there right right right pondis and it'll be great um yeah no I uh yeah I'm interested I'm interested I like what they did here um and uh I like how they are using the these books to explore new design space like it's very clear that like when you look at um sylvaneth like that is a differently designed arm 100 so they're they're pushing pushing into those other spaces see that with fire slayers even I don't think that it's successful in that or I don't like how they've done it it's pushing into other designs this was the first book tom where I was like okay I get personally AOR armies of renown with the sylvaneth and this is the the first two that really hit for me I think the the gets one with the trolls is pretty good as well on on that account I mean yeah yeah that one hit for me too I'm yeah mine is built nice right so yeah so I don't agree yeah yeah overall my answer is I like this is the best on bringers book so far I think I enjoyed it the most the story was pretty underwhelming but I really liked a lot of the interstitials I thought were really interesting like gobsbrack turning on on trying to get cragnos killed and the like council of life thing and vandals and Ionis like seeing these two classic characters kind of interact and talk and and you really like these two characters who really like know each other it's pretty cool bell thanos and I and Ionis I agree are just like absolute just great the models are amazing the rules are pretty good I think I mean if you had to ask I think bell thanos is like a upper-deck home run and and Ionis is like a in the park double or something like that right you meant triple but that's fine it's okay we'll keep going no I meant double I meant what I said I said what I meant what I said aren't those the same no and so the the ogre thing is absolutely terrible I hate it from top to bottom it is wretched it is just everything I hate about a weird like is it's everything wrong and rule in a rules writing when they when they just get like completely right wasn't that like we like a blast the past a lot of that absolutely it felt like the worst aspects of the history of AOS like written into a thing like let's tie everything to these weird rules these overwritten overwrought ridiculous rules why does it always have to be destruction why does it always have to be over to get the short end of this stick I just I really want to see hey whoa read through this I don't know if he's done a review yet I didn't watch his stream this week he did stream I didn't see it I didn't check and catch notification I hope but I please hey well do a review of these rules for the love of everything holy please I just I need it I need it in my life um and the fireslayers thing was kind of cool so that so all in all three out of four for me pretty cool and so yeah there we go and with that I will say hey but what I really do love is 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First down, they're going to hand to Davis. Mike left side at the 10. Mike five, Mike touchdown Atlanta. Hey there Falcons fans, I am DJ Shotclaw. We appreciate you joining me every single week for Falcons Film Review powered by Microsoft Surface. And let's talk about a couple plays in this ball game. And let's jump right into a really good play, the touchdown by Mike Davis. Now the Falcons did a really good job running in the first half over 100 yards versus the top ring rush defense in the entire national football league. Let's talk about how they got it done. Now this is a simple inside zone here. All it is inside zone here, lead up on the backer. But I want to talk about the big guys up front, how they're able to get this. What makes this play so important, what makes it so good is watch these guys here. These three guys here, all four guys here on the outside. Now you get a little seal block on the outside, but where I really want to focus on is these guys up here. As we pause it here going here. So this is a reach block. He has to get all the way on this side of this defensive tackle here. And you see, he's head up the center. You're wondering, how does he get over there? He does such a great job of reaching to get over here. You're gonna get another reach block here. So you almost want to put his butt to the sideline. So it creates a nice hole for Mike Davis to run through. Now fullback, he smithed out the nice shot he feels through on this backer here. And then you're going to get the center up. And he already has a good angle to block that middle linebacker on this particular player. So I'm going to show you as it gets going, how these guys, look at this. Now we're reaching, everybody's going. Everybody's going this way. You see, everybody's reaching this way for this outside zone. This is one of the staples of all the Smith's offense outside zone, reach block, reach block. He's going to get a seal here. Now you got the angle to block this guy. Now, look at, look at Mayfield getting the reach block. He's going to get his butt to the sideline this way. Now you close out here. Now you got to fullback leading up on this linebacker and it's going to create a huge nice hole here. Boom, look at these blocks, butt to the sideline. Nice reach block here, butt to the sideline here. Got the angle on him. Now all you have is Keith Smith coming through here, seeking out that linebacker. And now you can see the hole already opening up for Mike Davis to run through. Nice job up front, but it's offensive line, reach blocking. And then the last part of this, look at some kids up here at the top. This is 15, 20 yards down the field and he is blocking his guy into the end zone. If it's not for this block, he does not score. He continues to fight, fight, fight, fight. Then Mike Davis finishes the run, tough, physical. This is what it takes in the run game if you want to be successful. All guys doing their part, but those guys up front, the big boys paving the way and then the receivers on the outside blocking as well. All right, let's jump into a touchdown play that the Bucks had in this ball game where they throw it there, tighten, tighten, break it on a little kind of like flat route. But I'm going to show you how he was able to get so open on this play. Now down here in the goal line, we're in man coverage here. You see man right here. You're going to have man coverage right here, corner here. Here's the safety was the tight end here. But because of the route that they run, it forces like a little mini pick, I call it.  They want to get flow here to get the eyes going in the backfield. But the thing that's most important about what the Bucks do here is these two guys right here, they go vertical. So when they go vertical, it forces this guy to go over the top. When he goes over the top, it creates a mini pick for their particular receivers. And then you're going to have break who's just going to slide right out here on the outside. Now you're asking, what's going on with Dion Jones? Well, Dion Jones with this particular play, he's contained. He's got contained for the quarterback when he comes out here with the back comes. So he happens to do, he happens to fall into it. So here's the first part is play. Now you see both these guys going vertical. So now you're already creating a natural pick here. Here's, I told you he hasn't been man coverage. Over the top. Now he's going to get vertical. Now they're kind of creating a wall here and forcing him to go over the top and go all the way around. And all they want to do is hit him quickly right through here. Now you see Dion's eyes, his eyes is in the backfield. He's got contain. He's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. And now the play continues a little bit more. Now here's that natural pick here. He went vertical, he's had a little stop right here. But now because he went vertical as well, he's trying to fight through it this way. But you can see because of all the traffic here, he gets a nice little crease to pop into right here. And it creates this nice window to throw on the outside. Now Dion does a nice job of trying to fall off into it, but it's not really his job. He's supposed to keep contain. He does a really good job of trying to force the issue here because he knows his guys getting picked right here. And you see him fall. And now he has a step on Dion and also on the safety. That's a well drawn out play by the Bucks. They did a good job of pushing those two guys vertical, which forced I got to go over the top which ultimately created a pick and the easy throwing touchdown for the Tampa Bay Bucks. All right, we hope to see you guys next week. I am DJ Shockley for Falcons Film Review and we'll see you next time.


Hello, my name is Genguna Ashima. I'd like to thank the Esma Khan of the 2018-3 organizing team for kindly inviting me to speak here today. I'd like to talk about PyMeta package, which is an R package for prediction intervals for random effects meta-analysis. Random effects meta-analysis combine the treatment to affect estimates across these accounting for heterogeneity. One of the objectives of a random effect meta-analysis is to summarize studies and to make statistical references on the abrasive intermittent effect. Quantification and variation of the magnitude of heterogeneity are also very important, because true treatment effects can differ for each study due to differences in patient characteristics follow-up times, rough regiments, and other factors in main cases. However, researchers often interpret results from random effect models in the same manner as those from fixed effect models that assume the true effect does not differ from study to study. So, a prediction interval was proposed. Prediction intervals can be interpreted as a range of the predicted true treatment effect in the new study. Prediction intervals provide useful additional information to confidence intervals, because a prediction interval is a measure of treatment effect that accounts for heterogeneity. It was recommended that a prediction interval should be reported alongside a confidence interval under heterogeneity measures. You can find existing methods in this list. Several methods to construct prediction intervals for random effects meta-analysis has been developed. The method of Higgins et al. is most commonly used. This method could have above coverage for heterogeneity with a number of studies is small, because this prediction interval is based on large sample approximations. So, modified method was proposed. Hartman-Clape, Kenward-Roger, and Bootstrap methods can be used. These predictions intervals have better coverage for heterogeneity with a number of studies is small. Now, I'd like to show you the primate package with examples. This package is easy, load your data, and then pass it to the primer function. The 3-laner website has examples that are described here. This slide shows an example code with a package example data. Code counts are continuous values in this data. Y is the vector of effect size estimates. S e is the vector of parameters of the within study standard errors. B is the number of Bootstrap samples. C is the random number seed. Parallel is the number of threads used in parallel computing. Here, we have a result calculated with the primate package. An estimated result can be summarized by the print method. Both prediction and confidence intervals and summary statistics that are usually reported in the random effect method are provided. An estimated result can also be summarized by a forest plot by the plot method. The forest plot function has arguments to study levels to set the levels for each study. Now, I'd like to show you an example of binary outcomes. The primate package can handle random hex meta analysis with binary outcomes. The convert bin function converts binary outcome data to effect size estimates and resists the standard error vector. This function has an argument type that is a character indicating an outcome measure. Logos range, log risk range, risk difference can be specified. Finally, input data M1, N1, M2, M2, which are integer vectors are converted to effect size estimates and resists the standard errors. Estimated values on the logarithmic scale can be back-transformed to the original scale with the trans-option in print and plot functions. Here, you can see a forest plot for binary outcome. The trans-option can also be used in the plot function. Now, I'd like to show you another feature of the primate package. The primate package has CIMF function for confidence intervals. Many, many methods to construct confidence intervals for random effect meta analysis have been developed. This function supports eight types of confidence intervals listed below. The primate package has TOW squared heart function for heterogeneity variance estimators. Many, many methods to construct heterogeneity variance estimators for random effect meta analysis have also been developed. This function supports 12 types of point estimators and two types of interval estimators. Finally, here is some important additional information. Some functions from the primate package can also be used from the meta package. This slide shows an example code using the meta package. The meta package can also be used to create beautiful graphs. Here, you can see a forest plot using the meta package. You can also use other useful functions that are implemented in the meta package. Future updates will include enhanced graphics capabilities, adding other prediction interval methods, adding other confidence interval methods, heterogeneity variance methods. And I'm also now working on prediction interval methods for meta regression. If you have any other ideas, please let me know. If you have any other ideas, please let me know. I briefly summarized the recent developments in methods of prediction intervals for random effect meta analysis. I introduced the PyMeta package. PyMeta package provides a function to compute a prediction interval and generates a forest plot for the estimated results. Thank you for watching this video. Thank you very much.


Hi and welcome to the start of day three, Targa Bambina. It is a brisk, brisk early start here in Rotorua this morning for the final day. Seven stages, 155 kilometers. We'll be heading over to Tokoroa for the lunchtime service. We will catch up with you then with the update before the afternoon run. And then we're back here in Rotorua at Ridges for the finish this evening. Glenn Ankster continues to lead the event overall. A little hiccup yesterday afternoon with a misfire over three stages. But he has more than a three-minute advantage over Nick DeWall in the Instra.com modern four-wheel drive. In metal man classic Bevin Claridge, he's got the job to do today out in front. But only by about 35 seconds over Mark Kirkbanand with Uncle Barry Kirkbanand not too far behind them. And in the Instra.com modern two-wheel drive category, it is a furious battle between Rob Darrington, who leads in his BMW with Simon Clarke and Mike Lee, likewise not too far behind them. The classic and the modern two-wheel drive categories are the two closest categories that we've got here left this afternoon. So we'll look forward to catching up with you at lunchtime in Tokoroa. We'll see you then.


And if we're being really technical and scientific, there's actually one day when your body can get pregnant. One day out of your whole cycle. My name is Rishma Walji. I'm a naturopathic doctor, acupuncturist, and PhD.  And ideally, I help them get pregnant, stay pregnant, and recover postpartum. Wonderful. So this is actually brand new to my channel. I usually talk about sex and relationships and intimacy and dating. And the fertility area is something new. It's a new thought process for me as well, too. I'll actually say this for the first time. I've had an IUD for the past four years. I took it out recently. And not that we're trying, but we're just open now to the idea of maybe in a few months or in a year, this might be one to do. That being said, I'm also 34 years old. So I have a ton of questions when it comes to when to get pregnant, fertility. And so I'm going to ask you all the basic questions. Go away. I have so much to talk about. Okay. First and foremost, when and how does one get pregnant? So that's a good question, actually, because people don't realize you can't get pregnant all month long. So there's a certain window of time when you actually can get pregnant and where it's more likely. And that is when you release an egg. So your body releases an egg. It's called ovulation. Your egg is released and hangs out in your body for maybe 12 to 24 hours, depending on your body and the cycle. And that's the day you can get pregnant. So you have a window of opportunity of plus or minus five days because the sperm can hang out in your body. So that's sort of the basic, this is how your body works. You can't get pregnant every day of your cycle. What factor does age play in someone's ability to get pregnant? Yeah. It's a good question. You definitely have a higher chance when you're younger. So your chances go down as you age because our eggs get older, our bodies are exposed to more toxins. Age does play a role. So biologically, although we see in the media, you know, women are having babies when they're late 40s. And you know, there are other ways to get pregnant and to help your body. But typically as you get older, your chances go down because your general health goes down and biologically, reproductively, your hormones are changing. So that makes a difference. And the one thing that no one talks about is the age of the male partner because that makes a difference too as he ages, his sperm quality can change as well. How do you know if it's you or your partner? I would start at the beginning to try to understand your body because we as women are not really taught about our bodies. The way that you say we don't learn about sex, which we really don't, you go to school and you're like, don't get pregnant. Don't get an STD. Yes. And then you get into a place where you're in your 30s or 40s ready to have a child and you don't know anything about your body because you've never been taught. So that's where I start is understand your body, understand when you're ovulating, understand what your periods like, what your hormones are telling you because your body gives you a lot of information on a monthly basis. We just don't understand it. And the same thing with the men, of course, understand their health because his sperm turns over every three months. So in theory, he also should be looking at his healthcare. In fact, I actually find it unethical to treat a woman without actually looking at the male health. So I had to start saying no to women who are looking to get pregnant whose partners were not interested in trying because I just felt unethical. It's a two person process.  What should we be paying attention to? So you should be paying attention to your period. Most of us don't really pay attention. We don't know how much we bleed. We don't know for getting cloths. We don't know if it's spotting. You know, we know kind of because we're trying to make sure we're not leaking through our clothes or we want to go swimming or, you know, we're just annoyed with it. But we want to make sure that we know what is happening. If your period is too light, that tells you something about your hormones. If your period is too heavy, that tells you something about your hormones. If you have incredible, you know, bedridden cramps that tells you about something about your hormones. So I want people to pay attention to their actual menstrual cycle. And the other thing I think you should pay attention to is the middle of your cycle, your ovulation time. So what are you getting? Mucous changes. Are you having symptom changes?  I do think some of it has to be a discussion with a health provider. Unfortunately, a lot of medical doctors don't either have the time or training to be able to go through that with you. But there's a lot of people who focus on fertility and women's hormones that can help you. Now, when we think about being pregnant, we recognize there's a lot of lifestyle changes that have to happen. A lot of things that have to get cut out. When someone is desiring to get pregnant, what lifestyle changes do you suggest? Essentially, you want to pretend you're pregnant because your body is trying to create a healthy pregnancy. So you want to make sure that your body is healthy as if you're pregnant. First, I say you have to nourish your body. So you definitely have to eat well. You have to do all the lifestyle things, no drinking, alcohol is a big factor when it comes to pregnancy, drugs, lack of water. If you're smoking, that's another really big one. So you want to nourish your body first. That's the biggest thing. Sleep is another factor, stress, lifestyle factors. So it's not just food, but also just how you're managing your life. And then the next thing you want to protect your body. So I think of it as anything that could damage your body. So environmental toxins or chemicals that you might be exposed to. If you work in a plant or something like that, you want to try to protect your body either by removing those chemicals or supporting your body with antioxidants and things like that. And then you want to repair any problems. So if you know I have very bad cramps, I have an irregular cycle. You want to repair those problems and help your hormones. Or if the male partner, let's say, is having issues with libido or something else, you want to look at testosterone and things like that. So you want to repair any potential problems. And then the last stage, I kind of think of it as a triangle of pyramid. The last stage is to optimize. So not only do you want to repair any problems, but you want your hormones to be working the best possible way they can. And specifically for males, for them as well. You don't want them to just be swimming and, you know, hey, let me see if I can get to the edge to swim in. We want the athletes, right? We want them to get through that obstacle course. We want to get there and we want them to be good, right? So you want to optimize your function. I love what actually you just said in that, if your period is irregular, correct that problem. We actually think of a lot of these things as just is. Like I just have an irregular period. I just have bad cramping. We never think about, oh, this is something that we can actually repair and change. So checklist would be if you have irregular cycles. So when I say irregular, I mean a wide irregularity. If you have a 27 day cycle and sometimes it's 30 days and sometimes it's 28 days, that's considered within a normal range. So when I say irregular, I mean you have 40 day cycles or you are sometimes 60 day cycles, they're completely all over the place. That would be considered an irregular cycle. So you want to know if that's an issue. Do you have incredible painful cramps? You should feel a little bit of discomfort, maybe you're bleeding. But after that, anything beyond that would be considered something you want to look out for. If you have pain during intercourse, that could indicate a bunch of things. If you have problems with cervical mucus discharge. So let's say you have used infections. Serinary tract infections, bacterial vaginosis, any of those types of things you want to pay attention to those. And then of course, lifestyle factors. So if you never get any sleep and you're always stressed and you have diabetes and you have allergies that are bothering you constantly or let's say you have mental health issues and you're on medication for that, that could change your cycle. It could change your hormones. It could change your ability to get pregnant. So overall health also matters. Let me ask the loaded question here. Birth control and fertility. Yeah. What is impeding women from getting pregnant? So you take the birth control, let's assume it's the pill. You take the birth control pill to prevent a pregnancy. Is it stops you from ovulating? It changes your mucus.  It changes that so that it is less friendly to sperm. And it changes your uterine lining. So the tissue inside your uterus that bleeds every month, it changes that so that it's less friendly for implantation. So if you do fertilize an egg accidentally and it tries to stick into the uterine wall, that changes so it prevents that implantation.  It needs some time to figure out how to have a normal cycle again. Other than an untreated, sexually transmitted infection, what are some things that you can't come back from? Things that, you know, could drastically change your fertility future.  If your tubes are damaged in any way, that's obviously hard to do naturally. You would have to go in for an implantation for that. Those are the main issues. If you have, let's see, any kind of major health issue, so chronic disease, autoimmune disease, that kind of thing, it makes it really hard to get pregnant. It doesn't mean it's impossible, it makes it a lot harder. There's one condition that most women will not realize that they have, but really impacts their fertility. And that is what's called a subclinical thyroid issue. So they might have a thyroid problem, but it hasn't been diagnosed. It's sort of, you know, underlying that that happens sometimes. Or their thyroid might be working a little less optimally than it should. And that impacts your fertility quite significantly. And most women don't realize that that's happening. They just feel tired or they just feel a couple of symptoms. They don't really realize it's a thyroid problem. Are there any, because we often, do you think it's a good thing now that we're in the age of birth control information on both sides about the extreme negative, the extreme positive? There's so many different options. Do you think that some of the fear surrounding birth control actually holds up? I just want women to know the pros and cons. I want you to go in eyes wide open because I see women in their 30s and 40s where they're like, I wish someone told me this when I was 15. Why did I not know that there was an issue with my cycle? I was just put on the birth control pill and I thought everything was going to be fixed. So I actually like that we have the information. I like that we have the options and that women can choose to go on the birth control pill if they want to, or they have many other options now. But I want them to know what is happening to their body so they can make a choice that is informed.  If you don't want to get pregnant, is that going to impact things? Should you lay with your legs up in the air? If you do want to get pregnant, how much of after ejaculation impacts your chances or not chances of getting pregnant? Yeah, good question. Typically they say it doesn't matter. In theory, this firm should get there. However, what I notice is it depends on the woman's body. So some women have a cervix that's a bit tilted. So if you go for a pap and they're kind of struggling with the speculum, trying to get your cervix, sometimes that means you have a tilted uterus or they might tell you that you have a retroverted uterus where your uterus kind of sits in a different position. So when people are trying to get pregnant, especially if it's a long journey and they're frustrated and they're timing sex and they're, you know, they're just doing it in one way. They're like, I have to put a pillow under my hips and I spread and then it's boring, first of all. And that emotional piece is really important. Your body has to feel excited to get pregnant. If you're just running to the bathroom or you're waiting for 10 minutes or, you know, those details in particular are not really shown to make a difference. However, being able to be intimate in a pleasurable way, being able to understand where your cervix sits and what positions are more comfortable for you. So if you're just early in your journey, I would just say try every position. Try to make sure it's enjoyable. And if you really don't want to pay attention to your exact ovulation window, just have sex, you know, a few times every week and just spread it out. You should catch your window at some point. And then once you're really trying to get pregnant and you're really into that fertility journey, then pay more attention to the detail. Now, my gynecologist told me that prenatal vitamins are actually best taken before you get pregnant.  So in your opinion, what's a good investment and a not good investment? In my opinion, if you're taking care of yourself and you're eating very well, you should be able to get a lot of nutrients in your body anyways. So prenatal vitamins, we always recommend standard. You take it for three months before you get pregnant because mainly because of the full late content. So that's what you need. There's a lot of research to show that if you don't have that in your body, you could have a baby that has problems. And so you want to make sure you have that in your body. You also get that from vegetables. You also get that from other nutrients. So it's not that you won't have it. It's just that we want to make sure that you don't ever have too little of it in case you get pregnant and you're not realizing it. You know what's fascinating about this?  Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of information that people don't realize and much more detailed than they think. And then they just run to the fertility clinic because they have no idea what to do and they're spending thousands and thousands of dollars. And don't get me wrong. Fertility clinics are amazing in what they're able to do. But a lot of times you don't need to get there or you can improve your success rates if your body is healthy when you go into that situation. You did incredible. I cannot even begin. I think there's a lot of information to digest. Thank you. But I learned a lot and if anybody wants to learn more, where can they find you? They can just find me at my website. It's rishmawaldy.com, which is just my name. Or I'm also on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. I have a YouTube channel as well. Yes, you do. Just trying to spread the information and help women to understand themselves better. We actually met at one of my book launch events and we were sitting in a little smaller group afterwards and there were so many questions for you in that tiny group. I knew that I had to have you on here and you did not disappoint. You were incredible. So thank you for all of that. I'll definitely be calling and emailing you and being like, my poo is green? What does that mean? Anytime. Thank you so much. I feel so passionate because we do go 20 to 30 years of our life without this information. No one talks about it. Yes. Yeah. We lean mean for our tile machines. If you want. If you want.


And I'm very pleased now to welcome our next finalist to the stage. Ashley Orr is from the A New College of Arts and Social Sciences and the title of Ashley's presentation tonight is Fleshing Out the Corset, A Novel Approach to Body Shaming. Vile. Disgusting. Offensive. A few weeks ago this image went viral and since then hundreds of abusive comments just like these have been leveled at both the professional photographer and the new mother in the photo. Now it's tempting to think that in the 21st century gender inequality is no longer an issue or that the musings of online trolls aren't a litmus test for our cultural attitudes. But how far, really, are these public acts of shaming from the 19th century obsession with policing women's bodies? The novels that I'm researching by little known feminist writers of the era would suggest that we haven't come that far at all. Would you believe that in Victorian England a pregnant woman who went without her corset or who defied the period of post-natal confinement would be socially vilified. Their bodies were made invisible and yet isn't that really exactly what's going on here? Please hide. You're making us uncomfortable. That is uncomfortable. This image makes us feel queasy, awkward, even self-conscious. But in the looking and in the reading we have the capacity to create real change. Now my research shows that the female body is just as tightly bound today as it was in the 19th century. All we've done is exchange one garment for a whole host of new technologies designed to govern the body. It's our cultural attitudes toward women that are sewing them into a virtual corset. But I don't want to stop there because my research into these forgotten novels does more than use the past to cast judgment upon the present. It reveals the ways in which their female characters challenge the society that seeks to confine them. And in so doing, they offer us a map, a course against which to chart our own progress so that their imaginings of an equal future can become our reality.