So, kind of like just, give me one second, kind of like just you know kind of like ease into and just start the show now which is gonna go on to daily motion and I always record like 20 minutes extra you know and then when they flip the switch then I'm like hey we're live you know I mean so we're talking to in progress yeah and so then yeah I introduce you who is Lisa Larson we're gonna talk about animal communication animal communicators and you know if you're give me like three more minutes I have to leave the studio for just a minute but if you'll get comfortable and get if you want any drink or you know like anything on your end so I'll be back in about three minutes okay and I'm gonna turn off these lights for that to save that battery okay just test us okay mic check mic check oh man okay dang I hit the record button there's gonna be three-minute lag here on the record all right oh I don't know because I was out of the studio all right let me do I had it all going on with having you know being dressed from the waist up right okay deep yoga breath good evening man hat in New York City the world the universe and beyond let me just make sure my okay it's we're just warming up my name is Kirk this is my spiritual supernatural and mystical magical TV show we're in our 11th year of programming and I am we are deeply fortunate enough to have Lisa Larson on the Google Hangout call with us live feed from Southern California and we've got about 25 minutes so I think we're just gonna ease into this Lisa and I kind of had like a pre-interview and discuss some questions I asked some questions about animal communication versus pet psychics and we talked about soul contracts we talked about you know is it just cats and dogs is it all different kinds of animals and Lisa so now I'm introducing you and I think what my first thing is maybe if we could get like like a backstory oh and by the way if you want to watch live when we go live at 1130 you and you have another computer 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here's okay so let's just like okay here's our here's our original you know official opening I'm here my name is Kirk this is we're in our 11th year programming and we're scanning the globe for the most awesome powerful and special and unique healers and people with unique insights on metaphysics supernatural spiritual mystical and magical everything from alchemy to zen and tonight we have we're very fortunate to have Lisa Larson and it's our series of who is and we ask questions about spiritual teachers and spiritual healers Lisa thank you for being here tonight thank you for having me you're live on the Google and as I said in about 20 minutes we're gonna go live feed out to the entire world so let's do a little back story for the people watching on daily motion and all the past episodes of the show and tonight show will be put in on daily motion I'll send you that link so this part is really for the people watching on the video hosting of daily motion but the back story is that I read on your website that you were first reading to row cards and you were kind of psychic and you had psychic experiences could you kind of give us a back story on that before we get to the animals in your life yeah I mean I grew up in a house where you know there was no religious upbringing whatsoever my my mom was my mom's side of the family was Jewish my dad's my dad was Protestant but we didn't celebrate you know anything and I you know I mean we celebrated all sorts of things but it wasn't didn't have anything to do with religion had to do with gifts and family and all of that and I probably I was 16 when I first got my my got my got my first deck of tarot cards and it was after a friend of my the daughter of a friend of my dad's had come on vacation with us and and she had read my cards and I was just hooked and I you know I got those cards I had him I had him for about five years and I played with them you know I just didn't really know what to do with them because I was stuck in the book in looking at the book and I always tell people if they're learning to row cards they really need to take a class or really really get away from being tied to what the meanings are in the book and start using your intuition it wasn't like to the class and started understanding wait a second I have to you know I have to understand what the cards mean but then I have to let that go and let my intuition take take over but you know one of the things that I always say you know when I teach classes or whatever is that I think that everybody has this some sort of telepathic ability I I think we're born with that I think as a culture we've lost it because because you know around the time we're six or seven years old six seven eight years old we start having a consciousness of how the world looks at us and you know I mean I think there are there are a lot of people who will say oh mommy yeah I talked to the cat last night or I saw grandma sitting on the edge of the bed and they immediately their their parents immediately shut them down as though that's silly you know grandma's been dead for three years or whatever but my own experience was a lot more open than that not that not that we studied this certain thing but I remember coming home late one night with my mom and dad and I was about six years old six or seven and I was my parents were talking and my dad was telling my mom about a friend of his who had just been committed to a psychiatric institution and she says well why you know why did that have to happen and he says why guess he just lost touch with reality and I said I chimed in and I said well how do you know that what he experiences isn't really reality but what we experience isn't reality at all and they both got very quiet and they kind of did one of these things looking around to the backseat and they looked at each other and my dad just said I can't tell you that that's not the case so you know while we didn't do a lot of stuff and like I say until I wasn't you know aware of this stuff until I was 16 I think that in and of itself gave me the opportunity to say oh there are other things possible you know there I don't have to I don't have to live by by a specific dogma I don't have to live by a specific belief I mean and even though we were you know we were talked to you know raised to believe in God or some something you know but but that that gave me the opportunity to to keep my mind open for things okay so you got from 16 until then were you a working quote unquote psychic or spiritual healer you know where do you pick up and start to like the animals become real to you as sentient beings and you start you know like hey they are really talking they are really and I can hear them and I want to do this well that was not I'm very unusual in that way I mean a lot of communicators you'll talk to them and they'll say oh yeah I've been talking to animals since I was little and stuff that's that's not the case with me in the same with I'm a psychic medium as well and and you know I mean if I was I don't remember it because I really don't remember a lot of my childhood but I was I did throw professionally on and off through you know probably through my 30s and then I kind of stopped and I went back to school and I got a master's degree I got a master's degree in human behavior and you know did all of that and after that it was about you know I had had an interest in in animal communication I had heard about it but I really didn't know that much about it and when I was living I was living up north I was living in central California and we had a cat that we had to help cross into spirit and he was a rescue cat we had rescued him off the street so I called the woman who helped me rescue him she was just great woman that did a lot of fostering and stuff and she says oh well you know I'm gonna send you send somebody over to you and she sent over an animal communicator and she helped us through that process like nothing I it was it was the most extraordinary experience and I just thought man you know if I could do for her for other people what she did for us in this experience that would just be the greatest thing in the world and when I started she and she and I kind of became friendly and and when I told her you know I've been to Ro you know on and off all my life she says well you know if you could do that you can do this and it just never occurred to me that I could but when she said that I said okay so I went and I took some classes I took classes with Carol Gurney and I took classes with Marta Williams which two very very well-known people in the field did tutoring with with Teresa Wagner who is also very well known and I started because I was living in a in a rather rural area and a kind of a conservative area I didn't think that I would have many or animals to practice with so I actually started an online board a forum and I just invited people to start posting their animals and I would just sit there because I was teaching at the time I was a college professor so I had summers off and you know and really the most of my work was at specific times you know midterms and finals and stuff was when I was doing a lot of work but a lot of other times I had I had time in between on during the day and I just sat there and talk animals I just you know five six animals a day and I would type it up and I would let them know and I did that for several years and people people just kind of started saying you really need to do this for you know and I was like no no you know okay let me ask you let me interrupt you because I think this is an important thing that I don't want to forget how did you make the jump from speaking to the animals in person and then you know the animal like the client would come to you and say my dog passed and I'd like you to can you you know can you give us like a brief like what is it to have the animal alive in person and then you're also provide this service to your clients of animals that have passed as well well this may be a semantics thing but there's very few animals that I ever see in person even the animals that are alive I usually do over the fun I'll talk to the people over the fun so in other words you know what when we talk to each other our vocal vocalization is our main mode of communication so we have to have a phone or we have to have a webcam or something like that but when I talk to animals telepathy is their mode main mode of communication and that's what I'm talking to them so if you know whether I'm in the same room to feet away from them or two miles away from them or two thousand miles away from them it's talking to them the same way now as far as when I started talking to animals in spirit like when that you know when that if the animal is no longer in the body the animal is past its life here and then the client comes to you and says you know I want to communicate with my animal who passed away so what is is that like a different thing do you have to wait a little bit until the animal shows up or no okay that's that would be really interesting for us to hear about okay yeah no I don't know when I first started it like I say when that was my first experience with it of her talking to my and my cat while he was crossing and then she caught talking him while he was on the other side so that was my very service experience so there was nothing in my mind that said you couldn't do it you know I mean I just and it and it just happened to be you know I kind of gravitated towards it for whatever reason do I have to wait no we don't I mean again I I talked to humans on the other side as well and and there's a lot of people who say well no we can't talk to humans and you know we can't talk to anybody on the other side until they've been there for a long time and you know I don't see it that way I mean the only problem with on the human side of it is maybe the people are in so much grief and dealing with so many of the details that you have to deal with it maybe there's a block there but I've talked to humans you know week and a half after they've gone I've talked to animals a minute after they've gone I've talked to them a week after they've gone a day after they've gone the only difference is that what they have to say so what they have to say a day after they've left is going to be different than what they have to say a week after they've left or months or three months or a year and you can think about it like if you know if we go on a trip or we move some place we move to a new location if somebody calls us that first day and say oh well what's it there you know oh what do you think how do you feel about you know where you just left and the whole move and everything we wouldn't know because we're still involved in the transitionary period I can talk to them and you know still get still get the things that people need for the comfort see you know possibly see who they met on the other side and and they you know so okay here's it here's a question okay first of all I'd be interested to know like what are some of the types of things say a dog passes and that the human wants you to connect to the dog what would be some of the types of things a number one that that dog would say and number two is it a separate you know in a Tibetan mysticism you know humans and animals can go to something called the bardo or like a way station I think in Christianity there's a term for it but I don't know you know or is there a separate heaven for animals or do they everybody exists in another dimension together okay so you know what what you know can you talk a little bit about those things what does the dog say like I'm glad to be out of that body or I miss you or like what would be some examples yes to all of the above you know I mean a lot of times they will they will thank the people for releasing them from their bodies because you know I mean a lot of I do a lot of counseling for people on that have trouble euthanizing their animals because they feel like they're killing them where I and I help them understand know that that's the one right that animals have that humans don't write to die with dignity and that we are not in those cases we are not killing them we are releasing them from their suffering so a lot of times they will ask they will they will thank them for releasing them from their suffering and they will tell them I'm good you know I mean a lot of times the first thing that they tell me and I may not know anything about the issues with the animals like all I really ask is is you know how they died when they when they died or past I usually don't like to use the word died you know their name and their age but like a lot of times somebody will somebody go you know they'll show me this taking this big breath or they'll show me running themselves running which which will tell me oh you know they were they having do they have problems with their legs or were they having problems with their chest they're saying that they can breathe easy now they're saying that they can run now and have fun and play um the difference between for instance talking to humans in in on the other side and animals is that animals can you know we can talk to animals and have them they can talk about things that are so much more spiritual because we get through the you know humans lives are very very large you know we've got cousins and this and that and jobs and this you know our animals their whole we're their whole lives so we can get through the evidence very quickly and if the person is spiritual enough there might be some really really awesome information about soul contracts and you know lifetimes different lifetimes and stuff that animals may talk about and then to your other question about where they there's you know a separate heaven or whatever no I mean energy is energy is energy is energy now this is my belief just from doing this work that you know on the other side there is no there is no species there is no age there is no gender we're just energy but when I connect with them I raise my vibration and they lower their vibration and we meet someplace in the middle but they show me who they were uh in that body so that the person that I'm reading for can recognize them okay uh we've got about four minutes until we go out live stream so I just wanted to notify you of that and you know the thing I'm going to introduce the show but you know here's what I uh the next thing kind of I'd like to I think that I find interesting how do you first meet you talk about the soul contract we have soul contracts it's kind of a common thing in new age speak we are used to hearing about soul contracts with other people specifically like family members or whatever all the way down the line but how do we first like on the other side meet the pet and say like hey do you want to you know because people have told me my dog Serena you know you've had lifetime after lifetime and you know you won't mature you won't manifest uh you won't take a body without her without each other at this point like if you're going to take a body you know I'm definitely have to have Serena like there's no way I'm not having her yada yada so how do you like originally become kindred you know to each other to like you know why do I have Serena and I don't have another pet you know what I mean like how do you meet and fall in love with each other as soulmates and be like I want to be with Serena you know well you know that's that that's a really complicated question and and it's one that I don't know what that reading was that you got that told you that but it is not my belief that you only have that one that you would ever have those soul contracts with I mean in my experience in talking to animals it's we have soul contracts with everybody they might be very large soul contracts like we'd have with animals they might be very small soul contracts and you know one cat explained it to me as you know that you know let's say you walk into a store and you have a soul contract with the person that you're going to buy the food from you give them that money you walk out and and that you completed that contract whatever it means pretty much nothing but we have free will so you can choose to walk out of that store and not pay well then free will has consequences and soul contracts have consequences so that person may run out of the store chasing you saying well you didn't pay and while he's running out of the store he falls and he breaks his leg and he either falls and breaks his leg and loses his job and becomes homeless or he falls and breaks his leg and then he does retraining and becomes a billionaire okay we got we got like one minute till we go live but here's what i want to tap on more how did i first how do you first meet another soul on the other side and say hey i'm i'm gonna incarnate you want to go or let's go like that's like there was obviously a time when i didn't know serena is mm-hmm all right do you wait until we start again yeah give us uh why don't you take a deep breath and uh we're gonna you know and queue up your computer if you want uh once again just please turn down the volume on yet i'm not seeing where you where it is on your computer uh it should be uh a right hand sidebar 20 seconds till we go live um if you just say watch what's on now and it should be a right sidebar to say spirit channel number three okay i'll i'll look and then uh you just need to turn down the volume on that and uh try to talk just a little bit louder so i can get a red bar on your voice uh if you could just kind of you know just project just a little bit louder i don't want you to be uncomfortable but and we are uh live right now uh i'm going to do an intro and then we're going to go back to good evening manhattan new york city the world the universe and beyond my name's kurgan this is my spiritual supernatural mystical and magical tv show we're here every monday 11 30 p.m channel 1997 in high death and 1993 and also we are broadcast live around the world at mnn.org that's mary nancy nancy at uh mnn.org channel three the spirit channel so if you go on the website uh you got to hit the sidebar spirit channel channel three let me i need to move a little bit because i think i'm a little out of camera uh tonight we are continuing our series called who is so we a couple weeks we did one on who is brendan culleton we've done who is opera who is ty lopez and you know it's just a continuing series tonight we actually are very fortunate to have on the live feed from uh southern california and we are in mid interview at this point with lisa larson and you can see up on the screen her website and i didn't put on the screen but we're going to show the website in you know a few minutes it's called postdoc p a w s t a l k uh postdoc dot net right yes uh postdoc dot net so we have lisa and we've already lisa and i have already i'm just fascinated by animal communication we've discussed uh you know she makes the distinction on her career and with her clients look i'm not a pet psychic i am an animal communicator and in our pre interview we were just talking about soul contracts with animals and humans and then how she will communicate with an animal across the world while still in body but also uh communicate and also give empathy and grieving counseling to the humans and communicate with the animal that is passed onto the other side so i think that's the update right that's the right update lisa is that pretty much pretty good okay so uh the question and the other thing i wanted to talk about was um i mean just to give you the backstory lisa began reading to row cards and uh she discussed some spiritual experiences with me when she was in her teens and then it was kind of this hops giving a jump to uh you know somebody wait a minute somebody uh was an animal communicator for you is that what first happened mm-hmm yeah when i had an animal that i a cat that i had to help cross into spirit and a rescue organization sent an animal communicator over and i just thought you know if i could help other people the way that that she helped us in that in that moment in that transition i just thought that would be the greatest thing ever because it was really valuable to us okay and so now and how long have you been doing this how many decades years uh you know when you really were just this is my focus as a healer as a medium you know i choose the animals and did you have a soul contract i mean did you know before you incarnated hey i'm doing this you know in retrospect looking backward um i've been doing it for probably about 12 years maybe a little more uh and in retrospect yes i do believe that this is certainly my calling because i certainly tried to do a lot of other stuff but i had to i had to learn a lot of other stuff before i could get to this spot i used to be a professional musician and i graduated one of the most prestigious music schools in the country and um four years after that i was in a car accident and i injured my arm and my neck and i tried to play for a while but i i couldn't so i went through a lot of different things like when i told you i was teaching and i was doing to row in and out you know it was it was mostly kind of trying to find my way because i had lost my music career and i when i started doing this when because it just kind of happened i lost my teaching job during the crash and people just started calling me i mean they just started calling me i never even looked for another teaching job and um i had been practicing a long time uh but it was just it was really meant to be and now when i the more i the more longer i do it the more i understand that even the things that i met that i learned in music school and learned working in a hospital and learned teaching and learned at all of editing i'm a video editor all of these different things play into what i do now they help me what i do now and i kind of look at this as you know where when i was a musician i always wanted to pause because i wanted to be able to help people feel what i felt when i heard good music but now the the applause that i get is one pair of paws at a time and that is really satisfying that is really satisfying okay so let's you know we're going out live feed now uh to an unlimited audience um manhattan new york city the world america the universe and beyond so let's try and pick up we're here with lisa larson her website is uh pause talk dot net i'm going to pull it up in a few minutes to show you give you a look and uh tonight's episode will be loaded in as always at dailymotion.com under kirk spiritual media kirk spiritual television so if you want to see the whole show it's going to be about an hour long so lisa here live from san diego animal communicator and let's pick up in mid interview now for the live feed uh we were talking about uh soul contracts and animals communicating with an animal that's in a body communicating with an animal that's out of a body and you had said you know once the animal is out of pain uh you know you see them running and stretching and there's no according to you there's no such thing as like a human a heaven for humans or a dimension only for humans and then a dimension so basically animals and human souls commune and live together in these other dimensions that we're from and so here's where i wanted to pick up how do you know you're going to incarnate with uh an animal well we have we have free will and you know you had asked the question how how did you meet that so that your dog that you have that soul contract with and i just want to relay one of the you know we also talked about what kinds of information that you get from it that i get from an animal in spirit well i was talking to one cat his name was harpo and he ended up being this just incredibly wise old soul and he he he was almost professorial the way that he talked and he talked about how small our lifetime how how small our lifetimes are you know to us because it's where our consciousness lies they seem it seems very important but our lifetimes he talks about it is just a small experience on the soul's evolutionary journey on a large soul's evolutionary journey and you talk about meeting someone and having these soul contracts well he gave the example of let's say you know you go on a trip to bolly wherever and on your trip on your vacation you meet somebody and you have a great time with them and you really get along with them well it's your choice through our fit free will that we will either just have dinner or have the weekend and then that will be it or we can exchange addresses and become lifelong friends and see each other over and over and over again well that's what he talks about our lifetimes being like their experiences on the soul's evolutionary journey and you know how or when you met you know who's to say you met at some point you know it's it's kind of like saying well when did you meet you know this person in your life um you know you have that consciousness so you might be able to remember but sometimes you've known somebody for so long you can't even remember you know what i mean okay yes i i understand okay so let me just take the example of my uh doxin serena who some people call snuggles and so does an animal like could an animal come to you and say like you know in the new age speak they say oh you know i chose to learn this in this lifetime and i chose to be an artist or i chose to do this and that's what i'm learning and these are my life lessons does that apply for animals as well yeah it yeah it does and in the way that it comes through in animals is for instance when i talk to people and i'm connecting them with their animals who are on the other side one of the well several of the standard questions i ask is why were you here what were you here to teach your person what was what were you here to learn from your person and what was your purpose here some of sometimes they cross over sometimes they're a little bit different but that is in essence the soul contract so um so animals will say you know i was here to teach my mom patience or i was here to teach my mom how to be a mother i had one uh one woman i talked to and she had lost i think it was two dogs within a very short time and and then she had a baby just two months after the last dog that had passed and i didn't know any of that uh but i had said that she she had her dog was there to teach her how to be a mother and that her baby i said do you ever see your baby looking and just laughing at nothing and she says all the time and i said well that's the dog because the dog is there looking after the baby some animals might be in your life to help you take care of that child while you're in that life some people some animals might help you get through an illness some you know and i see it animals have different relationships yes we're always are you know there are babies but sometimes i'll see a relationship where there's a business relationship that they you know animals actually help the people with their business the or their or the animal is the parent in the relationship or the animal is a best friend in the relationship okay let me uh let me just uh let me just stop because i think this is an important thing and i i'd like to really understand this when you say you know energy is energy so i don't know if there's a difference between an animal soul and a human soul but you know could the animals say one time i want to be a horse didn't we talk about this in the pre interview like some animals prefer certain bodies yeah yeah it is my personal opinion and again i know this is very controversial but it's my personal opinion that animals are on a higher spiritual level than humans are and i have seen i've talked to animals who have been humans i've talked to humans who have been animals or i've seen humans that have been animals or animals that have gone back and forth uh but yes it's it's kind of like you know some people prefer to drive a Honda you know some some animals just prefer to be a cat or dog or horse or they might choose something different just to to experience it for whatever soul contract or whatever purpose they need to learn that from um and then i forgot your second question that's okay okay so wait let me so you go into a session with a client and an example of you know some of the questions is what you said okay now in my case Serena the dog in the dog in the human okay in my case the dog Serena is going to be learning something from me as well as teaching me something is that correct absolutely no question in my mind yeah and i think what i was what i had for was going for is that i feel that animals yes animals can go back and forth between lifetimes but a lot of times people think that you have to be an animal first before you rise up to the level of being a human and i think it's the opposite and i was at a spiritualist church once listening to someone and they they were saying well animals don't have souls and we know this because they they can't conceptualize God and i'm like oh please you know i mean we have to sit here and conceptualize God we have to go home right right right animals where animals are just there they don't have to do all that they don't have to conceptualize it they just live it they just exist in it they exist in that state not that they don't come into a consciousness and have to live in this world but their state is a higher spiritual state on on in general okay so um now let's kind of try and separate what you do you know what i think this might be a good time to kind of show your website here and just pull it up for the audience uh give me one second okay uh for those of you on the live stream right now as you can see in the background i have lisa's uh website it's pa w s t a l k net poshaki you get uh adorable animals and then we have home about uh payments lost pets resources blogs and then she is linked up on all social media so she's very easy to find and you know there's a long thing about what she does and then you go down to the bottom and you see you know about animal communication testimonials uh rainbow bridge and um it kind of goes on so it's a it's a nice website it's a soothing calm website so we just wanted to put in a quick plug for that and if you just tuned in we have lisa larson here on the live stream from southern california and we're in mid interview talking about animal contracts humans and animals souls uh animals that have passed animals that still are alive and lisa most of the animals she tells us she speaks with she doesn't even see in person so um now where do we pick up again i forgot what will we the human learns things from the animals the animals learn things from the human too right now absolutely you know we've all we all have our paths you know we all have our own paths there are a very rare few exceptions where i have seen animals who have explained that they didn't have to really come back they were so advanced they didn't have to come back but they came back for their human to learn specifics but but most of the time it's you know they're here to learn something we're here to learn something and our sole contract with them is that you know through our behaviors through our relationships those we're going to learn those things through those things through those relationships and behaviors okay let me here's an here's a thing i'd really like to know so okay the animal is passed and the human is grieving and so you know the clients like hey i want to talk to you know fido fluffy and then you talk to the animal and the animal is actually mad at the human does that ever happen that doesn't happen never had that happen i've never had that happen so the animals are very eloquent in talking about their lives to you and saying you know here's what i was doing and and you know and how do you as a medium do you just point blank pass along the message or do you translate a little bit do you filter you got to filter a little bit right yeah i mean i have a masters in human behavior um there's a lot of people i think you know when you talked about the difference between pet psychics and animal communicators you know i think a lot of psychics have seen that you know animal communication is like the big thing now so they just hang out a pet psychic shingle and it's it's not the same you know i think you can do a lot of damage people are very very vulnerable with both you know both animals in spirit and in body and when they're ill when they're behavioral things you know it's it's it's so complex the the messages that i have to give you know i'm always very truthful but i do have to be circumspect in the way that i give it i i try not to you know give things in a way that you know i i have to read the people and and see what it is that they can handle because a lot of times like for behavioral problems you know usually behavioral problems the problem is not with the animal the problem is with people or the household there's something that's going on there so the animal is really trying to tell the human hey something you know something is happening you're not paying attention and that's why i'm acting out exactly it's it's like you know i've tried to show you i've tried to show you i've tried to show you and you didn't get it so now i'm going to pull out the big guns and i'm going to start peeing or i'm going to start getting aggressive or i'm going to start doing this that's that's their last resort because they don't know how else to tell you that they either are physically ill or or emotionally they're upset now have you ever spoken with like a or you know communicated with an animal that was like out in the street or abused i mean or harmed intentionally by humans you know what do you what is your take on all of that unfortunately yes i've i work with a lot of rescue organizations so i work with a lot of animals who have suffered incredible abuse um and obviously it's not one of the you know one of my more favorite points of my job but but being able to help them is uh i recently talked to an animal somebody called me one of the rescue organizations i work with quite often called rescue house out here in san diego it's a great rescue organization uh she called me and she said well we have a mother kitten who uh she had one kitten three days ago and that kitten died and she was rejecting it and it died not because you just rejected it but for another reason and now she's had four more kittens and she's rejecting it and she won't she won't feed them and i talked to her and she had been out on the street and she had been abused and she had been she had had so many litters and she was tired of it because animals don't want to give up their babies anymore than people do and they go through grief and and sorrow and trauma and she was just done with it she didn't want to have anything to do with attaching herself emotionally to these babies so you know i talked to her i told her she had been you know they she had had an operation so she would never have to do that but we really needed her to help her babies and within the woman emailed me or texted me and she said within three hours of me talking to her um that she started feeding her babies and i had my job i mean that's the one you know the few times when you talk to rescue animals but unfortunately then you then i still have to talk to them and say okay now your baby's gonna go away you know and and everybody's gotta leave and and that's one of the things that i have such a hard time with with rescue animals and breeding oh god i hate breeding with such a passion i can't tell you because it's like slavery you know i mean when you think about slaves being having their their children taken away from them and never seeing them again you know i mean that's animals don't have the animals don't miss their kids anymore any less than humans do i mean you know the people may understand that they're not going to see them anymore you know animals just have a confusion it's just like somebody picks them up and walks them away and it's like wait a second where'd my mom go where my siblings go where you know and mom's going where's my baby so it's it's some of it is very very sad and and that's why i really give props to people who do rescue and and do fostering and do trap neuter release and all of that stuff that boy i couldn't i wouldn't have the the wherewithal to do some of that stuff but um it's they do great work okay we have about three minutes left in our live feed so i'm gonna uh in in you know minute close out the live feed but i'd like you to just hang out so i could wrap up uh the rest of the daily motion as well so for our live feed as we're going to close out what like you know i'm very savvy because i'm a medium i'm a shamanic healer so i'm very clued into the animals animals show up in my life at various times and i you know at a point had my process but then they became real to me at a certain point they became just as valid and just as real as any human if not more to me but what in our close out for our live feed you know real quick i mean in closing what are you going to tell what would you tell you know our audience that how do you make the animals real to somebody like what do you you know people they repeat and say they're sentient beings i believe they're sentient beings and but how do you really make people look at an animal like it's real it's a real multi-dimensional interdimensional all feeling and even knowing entity what do you you know how do you well that's that's a tough question so there's some people that are never going to be convinced but my my answer to that is all you have to do is watch an animal all you have to do is watch animals together and watch the love that they have watch a mother a mother cat with her kittens a mother lion with her her cubs a mother puppy a horse whatever it is the whole you know a horse when it gets its baby taken away a brood mare when it gets its baby taken away i mean all you have to do is look at these animals and you see the pain you see the love you see the emotion and you see that their emotions are no different than ours they're just in a different body that's all we all have the same emotions they may do things to do with them differently we have a brain that we do things with that they have other skills that they do things with brains do not make us superior in by any by any stretch and all we have to do is watch animals and and understand that they that they experience all of the same things as we do and and if you understand that then you have to stop doing some of the things to animals that that we do to animals okay let me see we have a minute so let me just close out our live feed if you just tuned in i want you to go to daily motion and find kirkspiritual.com or if you're watching it on the live feed right now the full hour with lisa larson is going to be on dailymotion.com within the next 12 hours so i'd like to thank everybody that watched live and that checked in at mnn.org once again lisa's website is pause talk as in animal pause p a w s t a l k dot net pause talk and there's a lot of great articles and lisa look for her on youtube and other social media because she's done other interviews that i've watched and it's fascinating which kind of led me then to ask her to be on the show and so that's our live show we're wrapping it up from new york city manhattan i will see you next week in the cyber temple of love mystical magical spiritual supernatural and you can check me out at kirkspiritual.com and i i'm honored to be your sacred healer tonight and thanks for watching shakti shakti okay so that wraps up the live feed so um you have anything to say in closing they're going to be wrapping up the studio in about two or three minutes uh is there anything else i mean i just personally like to thank you once again i'd love for you to come on you know in another couple months if you feel comfortable or you know have anything like a new perspective or a new subject that you want to talk about you know please feel free to contact me and just go hey kirk you know i i want to be on your show and we'll just uh schedule and plug you know plug you in about anything you want to talk about that would be great i really appreciate this this was uh really great and i i really appreciate the questions that you asked because like i say um there are questions that i don't normally get usually i get kind of the same questions over and over again and uh these this has been really great i really appreciate your interest in it and i appreciate your insights okay last question uh do you consider yourself like do you favor in your own personal life how many animals have you what would you as you know after this whole conversation you can't say had an animal what what did you that you communed with an animal you you know you had each other did have you had animals your whole life or i have uh yeah i have been had animal companions my entire life okay that's it companions yes yeah i am my first i remember picking out my first cat when i was about three years old and and she had babies under my bed when i was four and i i've had i've i've never seriously been without a cat or an animal i've always had cats i've had dogs in there on and off but yeah i mean it's set for when somebody you know it's set for like a few months if somebody had passed and i you know what needed to wait to get somebody i've had animals all my whole life yeah they've just been my entire life i'm sure i was cat in a past life a cat you're a cat in a past life you know i always thought i was a dolphin very possible even even like in my 20s before i got clean and sober and i you know became out as a mystic and a psychic and red tarot cards i always just thought i i know i was a fish i know i was a dolphin and i won't eat fish i i won't eat fish i'm not kidding this is true because i i feel like it's eating my family and it was like the weirdest i mean i have eaten fish on very rare occasions but the truth be told like i could have a burger god forbid i you know i'm trying to get my new relationship to that but the fish thing is like i really feel like i'm eating my family i cannot do this there are certain things that you know i mean there are places that you have fascinations with or or things that you have terror that you can't watch you know those things are absolute indicators of a past life you know i mean i've got a fascination with new york i've got a fascination with new Orleans and i've actually been to through past life regression and seen some of those lives that when you when you have those kinds of fascinations or those kinds of fears or those kinds of yeah it's really it's really interesting to be able to see what what those past lives must have been just by your experiences now i feel more uh germane to water than anything you know what i mean like i i'm gonna say i'm a fish out of water or something but you know i feel more germane to water like i feel truly like that is my true home well you need to go swim with the dolphins then yeah yeah definitely i did go down to florida one time but uh the guy said you know the dolphins usually don't go to the men for whatever reason he was like oh they won't really go to the men you know they'll go to the women and the the kids first and so they didn't come up to me oh really they didn't uh you know but anyways that speaks more to the dolphins than it does to you i think at that point i get it was but you know it was like a small cage thing and yeah you know we could talk about that another time so we're gonna have to wrap this up so is uh first of all once again thank you i'm honored to be in your presence and have learned so much from you and to have you on the show and once again you know i'll send you the link i'm gonna try and just go home and put the show on into cyberspace so give me a couple hours and it'll be live in a few hours uh is there anything else you just like to you know that's on your mind that you'd like to sum up for any prospective client or you know anything that else that you in closing would like to you know put out there no i just really appreciate people keeping their minds open to this