Okay, hi everybody. Welcome. Thanks for joining us today for this special event, The Heart of Mysticism. And I'm Peter, I'll be the host today. And we are joined by David Hofmeister and Francis Su in our Mexico studio here. So I'm going to pass it straight up to them now. Hi everyone. Welcome. Welcome. So wonderful to see you. Wow, they're flipping this. There's a lot of you. I can see there's a whole lot of you. All from all around the world, we're all in the same digital room, waiting to each other. So this is a beautiful, beautiful experience. And what a beautiful topic we have today. It's like reunion. Yeah, it's like a big reunion. Here we all are joined together. So the heart of mysticism isn't that a lovely topic to be sharing together today. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we always say that, you know, what, what this life is about is truly a mystical branch of A Course in Miracles because A Course in Miracles is to be practiced. And when we really give our lives over to the practice of the teachings, this becomes a life of mysticism. Yeah, inevitable. It's true. It's great to have a tool like A Course in Miracles that on the one hand it says it's just one form of the universal curriculum. So first of all, it's not proclaiming to be the only way in form. It's just saying it's one form of the universal curriculum. And that's beautiful. That's a beautiful message when you pick up a book that basically is telling you there's many pathways to God. And this is one of them. And then there is another part when you get to the workbook, pretty, pretty late in the workbook lessons where Jesus is calling you very deeply saying simply do this, be still and lay aside all thoughts of what you are, thoughts of the world, what you believe about God, you know, forget this world, forget this course and come with holy empty hands unto your God. So don't you love it that this is a universal pathway and yet it's calling you to the highest calling you could ever have. It's calling you to holiness to recognize your holiness and your innocence.  It's very, very practical. And unlike traditional mysticism which often involve people living in caves or living out in the woods, living a very isolated life. We have a tool now that allows you to drop into mysticism from wherever you believe you are, whether it's in the middle of a city, or in the middle of a desert. In a cave or a cathedral, you can take this workbook and practice it with whatever you perceive. And Jesus is saying the whole world you perceive including even the stars that you perceive in the sky is all part of our mind. It's all part of consciousness. And you can actually join with anything, whether it's a tulip or a mountain or a star, even you can join in your mind and experience who you really are through the forgiveness of seeing that there's nothing separate from you. What a glorious.  Suddenly, you can say it doesn't matter what I've done right or wrong in this world. I'm finally on the homing beacon. I'm finally letting the Holy Spirit beam me up will say or beam me inward to the light of who I really am. Nothing more enthralling. There is no adventure you've ever had that will even compare to this inward journey. And that's what we're going to talk about today because we've, we've taken it we've hopped jump down the rabbit hole, and we're telling you it's a wonderful rabbit hole. We're going to hold on to anything on the side though, because that's that's that verse your fingernails if you've tried to hold on to anything of this world. And also it takes great comfort to start to see that, you know, we actually have no control in any aspect of this journey. From the very beginning when the awakening start when, you know, we're ready to suddenly have this total shift of mine and then the mind opens up. You could always you always say that is a pre arranged plan, and the more I got into this journey the more I see it is not actually anything you can claim credit for. It happens when the time arrives, and, and our part is just to throw ourselves into it and keep saying yes, and yes and really, then you started to see there is no aspect of it. You can have control. Once you said the initial yes when this profound shift started to happen. Then the rest of the journey seems to be just laid right in front of you without any real decision in terms of how to even proceed with it. Yeah, it's exciting because the original for John and Judy and Bill and Helen, when they first came together, they were praying and ready to see what the next step would be and Jesus said make the commitment first. He wouldn't even give them the next step of what would seem to come in their lives of publishing a course of miracles for the world or with Judy and her husband with eventually translating the course into 20 some different languages. They could foresee none of this and Jesus said make the commitment first. So your yes. If you say yes to Jesus and yes to the Holy Spirit is the is the God factor. It is, it is, that's the biggie right there. And the rest will simply be given to you. Part of a prearranged plan in which you seem to have different little parts and assignments every day. And even the original for they receive the channeling which I used to keep in my office, but it was basically saying, you can't really tell you much about the plan because it involves people who have not been born yet, and of course have never met. And, and that's kind of funny too you know when you're, you're saying can you tell me about my future plan and, and the Spirit saying no. You, you are not in any position to know about this future plan because it's right here. It's right now. It's, it's in this moment. And I know we have have had to deal with this belief in linear time which the ego invented so we do think in terms of people and places and situations and actions because it's like a fish swimming in the water of water of time. And yet the plan itself is just given to you in the moment. In fact, the guidance that you receive in this moment is the plan of awakening. And it can be as simple as, you know, call so and so or go have a cup of coffee with so and so bring a blessing. You can bring your cat over your dog over for some snuggles. These little inner prompts that are part of the plan in the moment unfolding in this moment are taking the mind into a new perception of time and space one that it's not linear. It's, it's simultaneous and it's really taking you into the holy instant to the present moment. When you perceive time as real then the spirit has to reach you with time ideas that you can relate to with symbols that you can relate to it wouldn't help you just to tell you all as one. If that wasn't your experience, you need to learn how to forgive time by being used by the spirit to undo the false self concept of being a person. And it's quite amazing when you really let go because the struggles and the guilt come from identifying with the body and the person. Did I do enough. Could I have done more. The coulda woulda shoulda, you know, what do I have to do. It's all guilt based on identification with the body, and the spirit has no guilt whatsoever the spirit is just pure innocence. So you will seem to be given assignments to do, but the more you give way to that guidance and that presence, you will become less and less identified with the doer and more and more identified with the spirit. We call that being done through so our lives have involved many years of happily being done through. And I say happily because after a while, you realize you just have to show up and be present. There's no preparation involved. You don't have to say, what am I going to say, what am I going to do, you just get comfortable just showing up. And that's all you can do. There's really nothing more you can do than show up and and that's the greatest joy, and you can just be fully in alignment and have that presence. Yeah. Yeah, and I think yesterday last night I actually watched a documentary about a technology company. And even for technology, the way they're describing it is very interesting they're saying the technology they're designing or anything new is not about adding anything is about taking away, taking away the obstacles taking away the barriers. They're designing a phone, they want to take away the barriers of communication that was even even in that and I thought how relevant because seemingly when we got on this journey, inevitably we think okay we have to really learn a lot we really have to get into understanding the world's understanding guidance understanding mysticism. And yet really this life is is when we get into this mystical direction it is all about taking away, taking away what we thought to be true taking away what, what is standing in the way of, of receiving the guidance and follow through with it. And really, when we really gave ourselves over to this, this past, we started to feel those guidance that spirit offer to us guide us into experiences where we start to see really, we were wrong about everything we thought we knew that that's what guidance directly, you know, bring us into this happy realization that actually I was wrong about this painful judgment about this painful belief about myself and about everybody else. So, in that you can safely say a mistake is someone who stay very very relaxed in the realization that I really don't know anymore. And I can be taken care of. Yeah. Yeah. And the beautiful thing about mysticism is, you don't have to define it in any kind of way, like I sometimes am asked what is mysticism and I'll say it's devotion to God it's single pointed devotion to God. And then someone can say well, what if I'm an atheist or what if I'm a scientist or a philosopher. What does that even mean devotion to God. And I say great yeah it's God is as a word. In the early 1900s, you know, we had a birth of quantum physics, we had Albert Einstein, a great mind who he was just trying to understand that's what a scientist is trying to do is basically understand. He went so deep with trying to understand that he discovered quantum physics, in which everything in the cosmos was connected, and it was very bewildering to him that particles that were thousands or millions of miles away, would both act and and react in the same way. And he called it spooky action at a distance. Now that's what a scientist might say if they encountered the miracle spooky action at a distance because Einstein was coming in contact with light with pure light and as a scientist that was a little spooky because that understanding is not of this world. It's a light of wisdom, eternal wisdom. And Einstein was still operating with the assumptions of linear time and space, although, as he got deeper into quantum physics, he, he said, many things that I don't understand.  He started channeling the Holy Spirit as a scientist, because of his huge desire to understand. And now we can say that that that light or understanding is, we could call it eternity, we could call it pure oneness or pure love. And if you're working the workbook lessons of a course in miracles, and you're doing them on the calendar today, days of one lesson a day. Today is one one one. We are talking about the heart of mysticism on the 111th day of the year. Interesting. What is the lesson. It's a review lesson that says miracles are seen in light. And then miracles are seen in light and light and strength are one. So mysticism, whether you're a scientist or a philosopher or a theologian, or of course a miracle student, the light of heaven is where this devotion goes and the gateway to that is the present moment. Also, Jesus tells us in the course that he says that now your mind contains both time and eternity. And they are in conflict. And you must learn to use time solely as a means of reaching eternity.  That's the light. And you must use everything that you perceive. That's right. Your, your sandal, the carpet, your, your children, your parents, that mountain, that star, everything those these words must be used only for the purpose of reaching eternity. And now you can see what mysticism really is. When you wake up in the day, your sole purpose is to reach eternity. That's, that's the only purpose there is is to reach eternity. And you may say how, which is a good question. To me, that's a pretty practical question like how, how, and Jesus has given us a course in miracles, because he's saying through allowing miracles to come through you. You become a miracle worker, you become consistently miracle minded. And what that is, is you consistently come to your right mind, which is the present moment in your escape patch to eternity. I say escape, because there's no really trapped there. But if you believe in time, then you do need an escape patch, because time is an illusion. So we want today to be so practical, like we want you to ask your questions from your heart. We want you to bring up any topic, absolutely any topic that you want. There are no taboo topics. There is nothing off limits in this heart of mysticism. You're the fun of it. It's so open that it's not, it's, it has no fear in it. All you find is certainty. All you discover is invulnerability, fearlessness. Is anybody into fearlessness? That's what I'm into. Living a life without fear, that is no small goal. And, and that's why we're all here together.  Francis was talking earlier about how it's a pre arranged plan. So, right away that should take the pressure off. You're just observing a pre arranged plan that cannot fail. A pre arranged plan that results in awakening and remember God. No mistake is ever a real mistake. It's just a misperception of time. And when you give your heart to God, and you say, here I am Lord, which is a prayer that Jesus gave to Bill Thetford through the scribe Helen Shuckman, here I am Lord. It's a very short prayer. But it's a prayer that turns your heart towards God. It focuses your mind like a beam of light for God. And the only thing that keeps you from holding this light in your mind fully is the belief in obstacles. And I can tell you that that the single obstacle is the belief in linear time. Is a belief that the past is different from the future is the belief that there's a gap between the past and the future. And what you consider to be the present moment is not. When you say, I am sitting in this room, or I am watching a zoom presentation. That's not the present moment. That's, that's a perception, or a veil that was made to cover over the, the eternal now. When you see how we have to reorient ourselves, we have to let go of everything we thought we knew. You know, we often talk in practical terms about our seeming lives in form. But if you listen to us long enough, you'll, you'll hear it's just like a song of gratitude to the creator, where you let go of the concerns and worries of the world, where you can start to see that any thought of struggle, or of conflict, or of challenge is not our father's will for us. The only thing that that has to be fixed, or has to be changed, or has to be reformulated is part of a block to God's will. And that would be a good place to start just with this beautiful idea that God's will for you is perfect happiness. And if you don't experience perfect happiness, it's just because of the belief to try to have a will apart from God. So in the Bible, it says, seek ye first, the kingdom of heaven. But in the course, Jesus says, will ye first, the kingdom of heaven.  And that nothing of this world, nothing of time and space, can withstand that will, the will of God for happiness. So why is that elusive? It's just because the ego is a belief that denies that will. And then the ego is a clever puff of nothingness that has invented pseudo happiness, pseudo love. It even invented pseudo light. Now we have fluorescent light and solar light, and we have different kinds of light in this world. But as Francis was saying, if you take all those false substitutes of light away, then you're left with the real light, which is eternal. It's not something that has waves with it. It's way beyond waves. Even to say energy, you know, we say sometimes people say God is energy. Well, it's kind of a little, it's a weak word. We don't think of energy and wisdom together, but true light is the wisdom of eternity. It's the wisdom of eternal love. So it's very different. It is very different. And when we get on this journey, it seems like we're saying yes to God, and yet we're met with a lot of situations and a lot of people that started to, we started to see, oh my God, I have so many emotions that was repressed before. And all of a sudden this emotions rises up in all kinds of ways. And seems like we're encountering all these people and situations, but really we are really just encountering our own beliefs and own limitations. So you can say that this whole journey is actually very carefully planned by the spirit. All the situations and all the people are serving a huge purpose. They're serving a huge plan for us to start to see what are the hindrance and obstacles that we're still very heavily invested in. You know, because it really shows that I am willingly participating in the argument in the competitions in the, these are the journey what the journey is really about. In the end eventually it is about letting go of everything that as we know, letting go of absolutely everything we're invested in, in order to be left to this place that we're ready, we're ready to receive everything from the spirit from God. And that is, that is seemingly a long journey but really Jesus keeps saying in the course how long is an instant. Even he says in today's lesson. Don't forget how little you have learned, but don't forget how much you can now. He was saying come back to this moment. Come back to this moment and let it all go. Let everything go in the mind. In order to receive. So, when you think about your earthly life, you may think about skills, abilities, and many aspects of the personality self and the world that surrounds the personality self. Jesus is basically saying, none of that really matters. What he's saying is if you'll put time and space under my direction. I will take care of them. It's like in a fairy tale, you know you don't hear Cinderella talking with her steps, sisters saying what what happens in the next scene, the next scene just unfolds. And Jesus wants to take care of everything in time and space if you just have the willingness to join and link in the miracle. And how does that work practically. Well, if you are willing to be a vehicle, I'll say or a channel of miracles, which is just unifying perception, you know, we're not saying that you have to, you know, part the Red Sea, or raise the dead. That could happen and have happened. But so we're not denying the out of pattern experiences that we're surrounding Jesus and that are tied in with the Holy Spirit. But what I am saying is if you just say, I am willing to be used for miracles, then you're really giving your heart and your mind over to spirit.  Jesus says, if there is an action component involved, meaning if there are words involved or actions and behaviors. He said, you must let me be in charge of that.  And if you keep thinking I have to do this on my own as a person. That's not going to get you back into a remembrance of eternity. But if you are prayerful and prayer is the medium of miracles, and then you allow everything, including the body to be used as part of that holistic perception, then you begin to loosen the identification from the body. And this is like the pathway of a course of miracles it's really listen and follow. It really involves guidance. It's not heavily focused on meditation in terms of traditional meditation, or it's not heavily focused on on body positions like the lotus position. It's not heavily focused on breathing. These are part of other methods and they're part of pathways to God. But the pathway of the course is listen and follow and allow your perception of relationships and of yourself to be reinterpreted by the Holy Spirit. It's very much a feeling of camaraderie. There's a deep feelings of deep connections, deep friendships. Even when you get pretty far along on the journey, so to speak, then Jesus says, mighty companions will travel with you. This is after you've gone pretty far with the whole journey and then all of a sudden mighty companions. They're really just thoughts in your mind that are inspired by the Holy Spirit. They're not really physical. Nothing is really physical. It's all mental. Even the mighty companions are like, oh, that's a nice, that's a nice mental reminder.  And it's all a mental experience that only seems physical.  We are a mind. And we have just forgotten the power of that mind. In fact, that mind contains the whole universe. The whole cosmos is still in that mind. Jesus teaches us, ideas leave not their source. So whenever you go, well, there's a distant galaxy, Jesus says, distant is a relative term. If you knew who you were, you wouldn't be saying distant galaxy. You wouldn't be saying distant star. You wouldn't even think of something like the pandemic as something external to you. You would start to realize everything is an idea in the mind. And then once you start to realize everything is an idea of mind, then you start to say to the Holy Spirit, show me my real thoughts. You show me what will remind me of eternity. You guide me in ways that I focus my mind on only my real thoughts, not on grievances, not on attack thoughts, not on judgments. You give me what I need in this moment to be helpful. So guidance is evaluative. So if even for you to register or for this heart of mysticism online gathering, or maybe you're watching on streaming on YouTube, or maybe you're watching on on Facebook. But even for you to experience this, it had to start with a thought in your mind. And I would say that thought is is guidance. It's evaluative. Instead of going for a walk today or instead of doing something else, you are engaged in this global zoom conference. And yet that's just an example of guidance. You were guided out of all the potential possibilities. This is what you were guided to do. This is how it works. The spirit uses the symbols of time and space in alignment with your purpose to bring reflections to your mind of that which is connected that which is unified. This broadcast contains zero competition. So it is unlike the world. We don't have judges standing by to judge the contestants. We are not going to have winners or losers today, because we all win in love. Love is the winner. Jesus has already declared the winner love. Isn't that refreshing in a world which seems to involve so much conflict and competition to feel so much connection and love. And that is the point of the guidance is to bring you into an experience of present connection. And I are always talking about how the ego tries to hijack guidance and project it often to the future. If I follow the guidance, I will manifest a better world. I will manifest a better situation in the future. And Jesus is saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not the purpose of the guidance. The guidance is for you to be here now to really be present with the joy of God. That's very important. Yeah, I think many years ago in one of the gatherings, I was in a participant asked David a question, is this journey, is this password really a journey or is the instant. And David said it's a journey until it is an instant. It's like it's a seeming journey when we still seem to think the goal is in the future and we have work to do so and that will seem to take time if time is used. And yet, what it is pointing is to accept a present, present happiness. And that's how I started to realize, because there is a question constantly in the mind and even over the years how do I know what is the guidance and what is the ego's trick or the ego's voice in my head. The answer is the guidance present or provides a present happiness. That is how you know, of course, if the outcome and the result is in the future, I wouldn't have any way to know now. Because I have to do what the guidance says in order to find out in the future, but that is not how spirit works. As I said earlier, this is to change the time idea. You know, the time idea will be shifted when we accept guidance in this moment because we will experience this present joy, and no, without a shadow of doubt, that this is the spirit. When I'm accepting the spirit's means, then I realize that means and ends are actually together. If I accept the means, I also accept the ends, and I receive the end outcome in this moment. So it really shifts the mind that is tempted to see this journey as a long drawn out self-improvement effort, filled with effort journey. Actually it started to realize we have so much power in the mind in choosing and in calling out to invite the spirit in, and we also realize that spirit's answer is always here, is always here. Maybe it takes a little sorting out to find out what the spirit thought is in mind, but it is here waiting for us to be open. And then through choosing the spirit's guidance, which may or may not involve an action, but in choosing the spirit's thought and guidance, we start to understand what guidance is and we start to understand what happiness is in that moment. And this is the how that that David was saying at the very beginning, you know, yes, it's very reasonable to ask how, how do I get there? How do I change from time to eternity? This is the how. The how is not based on our own knowledge, our own habit, our own past learning, or anything that we can come up in the mind. The how is just present listening and present following, and then claim this happiness right now. Yes, most everyone has experienced a beautiful moment of peace and relaxation.  And that is a glimpse. That is a glimpse of the purpose of time. Jesus says that in the text. Can you imagine what it means to be perfectly calm, perfectly quiet, and have a clean open mind? That is what time is for to learn just that and nothing more. Nothing more than that that moment of peace. There is nothing more to achieve. There is nothing more to attain. And as Francis was saying earlier with even with the technology developments, it's about taking away, you know, with Michelangelo, and, and that statue of David. People used to ask him about, where did you come up with that that image. And he said, I just had to take away a lot of marble. He described the sculpting process as taking away of marble. And what was left was the statue. And that's what forgiveness is forgiveness is is is not adding. It's actually subtracting it's taking away. Every day, if you just give your mind over to this removal of the obstacles of love to the subtract will say subtraction of concepts, like Buddha and Jesus had talked about empty your mind of everything you think you think of everything you think you know. Not with fear, but as you give yourself over to this emptying, you will still receive guidance. In fact, you will continue to receive guidance until the mind is so pristine and so still that not even words are necessary. I mean, that's still it's that much a state of being in which words are completely unnecessary. Yet, the spirit knows that the ego made words. Jesus calls them symbols of symbols twice removed from reality. The spirit can use what the ego made. So when I say symbols I'm not just talking about images, I'm talking about even words are are just symbols. And they become unnecessary when you're happy. I mean when you're fully happy, all that the words can do is come through you as like tweeting birds. I often am aware of the sound of singing birds happens to be down where we live is almost like a bird sanctuary. We don't have to go to the zoo. Because if we just open a door or window. It's loud and they sing all day long. They are so happy. They just start singing in the morning and then they sing and sing and sing and sing happy songs all day long and nothing more. And to me, what a great symbol. That is really a symbol. They're not arguing. They're not debating. They're not philosophizing. They're just saying, and they say and it's loud sometimes I mean sometimes I just, it takes my breath away sometimes I just have to stop and just really take it in fully. Like a symphony is like an orchestra of birds singing. And that is very much like a life of mysticism. If you could thoroughly enjoy the birds singing without any other thought intruding on that enjoyment, then that is coming very, very close to the heart of God. It's very simple. God doesn't involve analysis. God doesn't involve complexity. All the mystics and saints and the, the poets have given way to simplicity. They, they give priority to simplicity in their mind. They're not interested in the complexities of the world because everything is taken care of by spirit. So that the ego disappears when it has nothing to produce when, when it has, it can't say I expect something of you because you laugh at expectations. That's how you should greet expectations with bursting laughter.   Now that perfect being does require acceptance. So that's one thing you can give your mind over to accept the truth. Jesus says the truth is true and only the truth is true. The first time you read that you cannot help it feel there's something very simple there. In a, in a book with hundreds of over 1200 pages and you read the truth is true and only the truth is true. You got to have a smile on your face. Because you're thinking, oh my gosh. What was I thinking. He's not talking about light. He's not talking about true statements and words. He's not talking about true events, or true situations. He's talking about light actual presence of light. Like today's lesson, miracles are seen in light. That's a great reminder to us that that's that is our focus and our direction to see with spiritual vision, not to give any weight or any faith and belief to appearances. Recently I was asked about how did the ego happen. And every time someone asked me how did the ego happen, or how did the separation happen, or how did this world happen. I remember what Jesus teaches in the manual for teachers. Jesus says, the ego will ask many questions that this course has no answer for how did the impossible happen to whom did the impossible happen. He says, there is an experience that will come that will end your doubting. There is an experience. He's talking about the atonement, the first miracle, the last miracle and all the miracles in between. There is an experience that will come that will end your doubting. He doesn't say there was a theology that will come to end your doubting. He doesn't say there's a philosophy that will come to end your doubting. He doesn't even say the angels will drop out of the sky into your living room and it will end your doubting. He's saying an actual experience. There's a direct experience of God that ends all doubting forever. Even the scribes of the Course, when Helen Shuckman was taking down the interdictation from Jesus in shorthand, and Bill was comforting her and typing it out when they went from shorthand to the book. When the scribe and Bill, they did stop after a number of chapters and said, Jesus, before we go on with the scribing, can we just ask you one small little question? How did this happen in the first place? They were curious, you know, before we go on with our task, can you just answer one question? How did this happen in the first place? And Jesus said, it's a good question. However, you should know by your emotions, your emotional rollercoaster ride as you go through every day that you believe that it did. There are so many beliefs in heaven. The ego was the first belief and the Holy Spirit answered the first belief in separation with forgiveness. And that's why forgiveness is so important. That's the answer to an unreal belief. It's an unreal answer to an unreal belief, but still it's important if you believe in time, that answer from the Holy Spirit is so important. In fact, you should just devote your mind and your heart solely to that answer and nothing else. It's more important than anything by far. So Jesus says, you believe that the separation happened. It's a hypothetical belief and the whole world you perceived is hypothetical. This is an as if world, as if what? As if separation world. And this world has been corrected. And your only function is to accept the correction. You are not responsible for anything in time and space, and you are not responsible for the error, but you are responsible for accepting the correction. Intuitively, are you with me? Can you feel that? You're only responsible for accepting that correction. That's it. And if you assume responsibility for something else, you will experience the illusion of guilt and fear. But if you give your heart and your mind over to just accepting the correction. Very simple. Nothing more. Let thine eye be single. Don't be tempted to put your focus of your mind in any other direction except the correction. Then that is every day what takes you into the mystical life. The focus on the correction brings the happiness and the focus on the error brings the the anger, the guilt, the fear, the shame. It's it's really that simple, but you have to be dedicated. You have to really dedicate your life to accepting the correction. And the good news is we are all in this together. There is no gain to one that everyone doesn't gain. You are happy and the whole world you perceive lights up. You are the light of the world literally by your devotion to spirit. So, to me, that was made obvious to me and then I thought, okay, I, I, why would I even want another focus. I couldn't even imagine being drawn into a temptation of the world because it would just take me away from what I wanted in my heart. And that's how you do transcend the temptations of the ego by your devotion by your heart. If your heart's in it, you're in, you're in toward God, you're, you're in it for God. If your heart is really in it. I actually says in the course that this is your only function on earth, and I love it because if he says that I allowed to all of us. This is your only function on earth. Then that is as clear as, you know, I can get it there's no other function on earth. He said is your function in God, which is he says is basically everybody's given a curriculum. To teach and learn, guiltlessness, and everybody's curriculum will look different. You teach and learn in different ways and yet the message you're teaching and learning is always the same. And how, how do we teach and learn something that will not in touch with it yet, teach and learn with the spirit that is the correction that is the guidance. That is how we teach and learn and that is how we fulfill our only function on earth. He even said, any pain in the end any pain in the end is the pain of not accepting our function. We have given a very, very mighty function. Every single one of us the same function to teach and learn with the Holy Spirit. The same curriculum that is given by the Holy Spirit on a moment by moment basis. And all we need to do is to ask him. What is the correction. What is the guidance. What is that you will have me see and you would have me say, where do you have me go to whom. And that is our only function. How simple and how joyful. That's where we, we unite in celebrating the simplicity. To me, it does point to the power of our mind and to the power of prayer. And when things seem to happen in the world, the ego always has us look to the problem as if it's in the world to turn away from the power of prayer in our own mind. For example, there was a time when the scribe Helen Shuckman and and her collaborator bill that for they were walking down the street in New York City. And then suddenly Helen started to feel something was blocking her, her eye. What seemed to happen in the world of form is that an eyelash had gotten had fallen inside her eye, and her eye was watery and and turning a bit red and everything. To a person in the world, this would be a situation that would call for an optometrist or an eye doctor or something, because this is how the ego works. The problem is the eyelash in the eye. The solution is going to a specialist to get the eyelash out of the eye without scraping or or damaging the eye. Okay, this is I'm giving you a real practical example. And yet what Bill and Helen did was they were actually walking by a Catholic Church when this happened. They didn't go to the optometrist they walked into the Catholic Church and they want went in to the the pews into the sanctuary and then they prayed. And as they prayed Helen joined her mind with Jesus like she had done with so many scribing and channeling. And after so many seconds the smile came to her face a sweet smile and bill looked and and the eyelash was on the cheek. Now this is practical. This is a teaching example that through the power of prayer, the eyelash was delivered to the cheek. And this is no different than parting the Red Sea. This is no different than healing the sick or raising the dead, or casting out demons. There is no order of difficulty in miracles.  In the connection with the spirit is the answer to all problems. Be they physical illness problems because there is no physical illness, be they financial issues, be they emotional struggles, even being possessed by a demon, which would seem to be a very difficult thing. But when Jesus would come to someone who is brought to him and they said, he is possessed, he is foaming at the mouth, he is, he is chaotic. He's out of control. He is, they would say possessed by a demon. Jesus was the way, the truth and the life was, was one with God with spirit. And all Jesus would say coming from the prayer in his heart is leave him and he would say it quite firmly leave him. And then that was the end of the demonic possession right there instantaneously. It wasn't a struggle. It was instantaneous leave him. And, and similarly, you could say with that little eyelash, leave the eye, which it was seemingly an issue because it was blurring vision and, and it was, it was on the, it was on the eyeball. And, and through the power of prayer that eyelash was put on the cheek. One time I was traveling and teaching I think I was in the United States in Tennessee. And the car started making a very strange sound on the highway. And the two friends I was with Kirsten and Jeffrey said, David, there's something wrong with this car. And we continued on with this sound to the location was called Oasis Center where I was giving a talk. And at no time that I really give my mind over to the idea that there was something wrong with the car. I simply took the perception that there was something wrong with the car to prayer. And I continued on I gave the talk. And then when we came out. Kirsten and Jeffrey they said, you know, listen, we know what cars sound like and this is not a good sound this is there's so there's a problem with again the problem with the car. And I said, you're free to take the car to a mechanic if you want. Yes, so they took the car to the mechanic and then the mechanic spent like an hour and a half and couldn't find anything wrong with the car. So eventually he said no charge there's nothing wrong with this car we got back on and off we drove on the highway with no sound. Now I give this another example, every problem is a perceptual problem. There's not an eyelash in the eye problem. There's not a mechanical failure with the car problem. And I've seen this with things like I was just having lunch for example, yesterday with a friend, Antonio. And then Antonio says he's had a bit of a heart. He's had digestion issues and he's, he's, he's had a bit of a heart issue. And he's probably watching me right now. Hi Antonio. But he was sitting there and then his partner, Andrea was saying that recently he, he really started to feel very, very bad. Immediately he habitually started checking his blood pressure and doing the things that he does under doctors orders. And Andrea started speaking to him after she had prayed to Jesus, and basically saying what are you doing she started questioning the, the blood pressure checking. And he had called his doctor for instructions. And yet, when she spoke to him from praying with Jesus, he said it was like an explosion in his mind. What are you, what are you doing. Where is your mind. Now, Antonio is translating the course from Brazilian Portuguese to Portugal Portuguese. And yet his partner was saying, where is your mind. What is your practice is Jesus the first thought you have when you feel this discomfort in your, in your chest is Jesus the first one you turn to. Do you turn to the blood pressure check first. Do you turn to the doctor first, or you do turn to prayer and to Jesus immediately for the correction. This is good. This is a good example for all of us because Jesus wants us to turn in prayer first. First, not second or third first. And when Antonio did this. He started receiving instructions from Jesus, Jesus told him to wait, and then to take one pill, and then an hour later, he was told to take another pill, and then everything cleared. And the doctor never called him back. Time and space were arranged. He never received a call back. Still, to this day he has not heard back from that doctor. Through the joining with his partner Andrea and through the reorientation of the mind, back to the miracle back to the practical application of the course, the practical application of the course is through prayer. And then that what he perceived as the problem was, was changed his perception, his experience was changed, his discomfort disappeared. I know there are spiritual teachers that tell you yes, there's pain, there's anger, there's fear, there's doubt, but there's also perfect pristine awareness. What you must understand is those first things that I mentioned are not part of the miracle. They don't coexist with the miracle. The darkness and the light do not coexist. That's why we are being given a course in miracles to align with our source to align with the spirit. And still the peace of the spirit, the happiness of the spirit, the joy of the spirit, that is what a miracle is. It lifts you beyond the time space coordinates into a celestial realm of unity. And that's practical. Well, what about the eyelash? Well, that was just an effect of the miracle of the shift in the perception. What about that car not needing any kind of mechanical repair? What about Antonio following the simple guidance that he was given based on his belief system and relaxing into the miracle instead of the worry and concern? He did have some ego thoughts that came up when he was told by Jesus, he said to take the first pill. He said, but the doctor has not said. He was telling Jesus, but the doctor. Take the pill. He did an hour later take the second one. But the doctor is not called back. Take the pill there. Sometimes it involves time and space. Jesus did this 2000 years ago when there was a blind man. The blind man came to him and Jesus, he, he's spat on the ground and he made some mud. And he took the mud. And he put the mud on the blind man's eyes. This is like the pill for Antonio. It's a little too radical to suddenly be blind from birth and then have a man walk up and say, open your eyes. That's a little too radical. Miracles can't come when there's fear. So Jesus made a little bit of mud. And he put the mud on the blind man's eyes. And then he said, take him to the pond and have him wash his eyes. And as soon as this man did that, he was still just wiping the mud and the water from his eyes. He opened his eyes and he said, I can see. Now that's a miracle because the spiritual side is really the purpose of all this prayer. It's not, it's not to be found in the effects. Okay, the blind can see the lame can walk. That's okay. That's a props. Those are just symbols. But Jesus was teaching us to go inside our heart. He said, go in your closet and close the door. He was teaching us to, to still the mind. And then the things that appeared in form around Jesus, which seemed quite miraculous were just symbols of this stillness of the mind. So that's what we devote our, our life to is the mind training. We're not here to, to make a big show of miracles. And Jesus even says this in the course that miracles should not be done in order to induce belief. The miracle is a reflection of a state of mind and you are not to be concerned with the effects in form of miracles. One of the teachings I love about Jesus is he says, don't let one hand know what the other hand is doing. What did he mean? Don't let one hand know what the other hand is doing. Be generous with your love. Be generous with your happiness. And don't even be self conscious about love. Don't worry what your love can do to this world. Don't worry about how other people react to your love. Don't let one hand know what the other hand is doing is let your generosity flow from you with no concern and no self consciousness. Don't let the ego try to interpret the love or the miracle. Just let it come through you freely with no effort and no concern. Let it be the most natural thing like a flower giving off a fragrance. Don't try to tell the fragrance or the wind where the where it should go. Just give the fragrance of your love. Just radiate that love and then you shall know who you are. That is the gateway to remembering yourself as the Christ. And it's a bit tricky because the ego always wants to take credit for anything. If you give something to somebody, the ego's back there going, oh, good, good. You're earning brownie points.   So he tells us, don't let one hand know what the other hand is doing. Brilliant, brilliant teaching. He would say to Jesus, Lord, Lord, and he would say, why do you call me good? God is good. He always pointed to the Creator. He never took any personal credit for anything. Even as a teacher, some people raise him up on a pedestal. Tony is this great teacher and some people said he is the devil. He needs to be crucified and murdered. But he did not join with the exultation of men and he did not join with the fury and the anger of men. He knew in this moment that he was spirit and he didn't need either exultation nor to be degraded. That had no meaning to him whatsoever. Jesus had been freed of pride. It wouldn't matter to Jesus if he had zero Instagram followers or four million Instagram followers. They would be the same for Jesus because spirit is even beyond the concept of followers. It doesn't need followers to be what it is. It simply is what it is because of God. Because of God is spirit. So this is freeing you up from the idea of did I do enough? This is freeing you from the belief of am I worthy enough? Your worth is established by God. Nothing you do or think or say or make can establish your worth. All of that means nothing because the creator is the establisher of worth. And isn't that good news? I always say you haven't done anything wrong or right. Once you can accept both of those as the actual fact of things that spirit doesn't do anything wrong or right, then you're freed from that idea of trying to climb the ladder. Jesus says it's all right. Let the ladder fall away. It's not going to change anything. You don't need that ladder. That's why we even have to let go of the outcome of our work. So-called our anything we associate with ourselves, our work, our anything. There is no association like Jesus says. Jesus, he performed so many miracles, but it was all involuntary. He didn't really, because his state of mind was one with God. So miracles just flow out of him.   And he doesn't need to be aware of it and he doesn't want people to overemphasize on the effect. So that's exactly what it is for us. Our mission is a miracle worker, and yet miracles are not in our control. We're not here to look and analyze whether we're doing a good job, whether we have fulfilled our function even. We're here to show up and align our mind to Jesus, align our mind to the spirit, and keep asking in prayer for him to do the work to our mind first and foremost. And then if there's reflections, but there will be many, many reflections that we're not even be able to see in our naked eyes. But that doesn't matter because this is not really something we're here to behold. We're here to behold only our mind to be in alignment with the spirit. And it's when we really connect and when we say yes, we say yes to spirit, then immediately we are activated as a light worker, as a bringer of truth. We are activated to radiate God's love from the moment that we say yes. I remember in the parable of David, the Course in Miracles, it came to me when I was in my late 20s. And I remember this prayerful moment where I just kind of like Jesus said, go into your closet and close the door.  And now I give it to you to use for your plan for God's will. It's funny because as soon as I did that, then Jesus said, okay, that's the end of your career pursuits. Actually, I had quite a few. I was in university for 10 years full time and learning and taking exams and taking all kinds of projects and tasks. And in one instant Jesus said, wipe. Your education has stopped. Your career has stopped. Your future goals and ambitions have stopped. Now you work for me, and I will give you the instructions. One of the first instructions Jesus gave me was to delete my resume. It's one thing to throw paper resumes into a garbage. But if you've spent years back in the days, we had word processors back in a few years ago for computers. Before I'd delete your iPhone or reset reboot was at a word processor and I'd carefully shaped and added to my resume, my CV and built it and built it and built it. So it's not just Jesus saying your education's over your career's over. Oh, he's, he's got more. He said delete your resume. And in the moment of the hesitation, I felt only provided me an opportunity to remember I had just given everything over to Jesus. And I, it was the ego hesitating about the resume.  But that's exactly what Jesus is. He'll go right to work with your mind. He's not going to just dilly-dally and say, Oh, those are sweet words. He meant delete the resume. And then when I deleted it, I actually felt relieved. I felt like I could giant weight of energy had come off of my shoulders. And then in terms of future goals, what can I tell you? Jesus knows your heart. If you still have things that you desire in this world, Jesus will use them to teach you that you don't need them. If you have things that you believe will make you better, Jesus will use them to show you that you have and are everything and you never needed those things that you believed in. If you have things that you still desire in terms of this world, maybe it's ice cream, maybe it's chocolate. However it is, Jesus will bring to you experiences that will allow you to feel the joy of not pursuing these things.  You can know God's will without the chocolate. Yes, I know it's some of you are shaking your heads, but I know you can know God's will without the ice cream. What's an example? I remember one time I went down to Columbia. I was down in Cali, Columbia, and I was doing gatherings every day. Lots of them. And I was letting Jesus speak through me and share the good news, the Word of God. And at one point, some friends said, do you like halalos, which is ice cream? And I said, yes, yes. And they took me for the next four days out to the ice cream shops in Cali, Columbia. We had ice cream parties. You see, this was not something I was going to Columbia to check out the ice cream shops in Cali. I was there to shine my light. And they said, do you like pizza? Well, yes. And so are then pizza parties. The fun is in shining your light. You don't have to go after things to make you happy. Your purpose is where the happiness and then all else will be added unto you. Little whims. Jesus knows your heart. Jesus knows what you like. He'll even use those things as part of your happy dream awakening to the point where you see you don't need those things to be happy. But those are like the window dressing. Those are little props that get used. And I talked to a friend yesterday, and she said, well, the course is really hard core. It seems, she said, the course seems to me like all or nothing. Like, and how do you live with that kind of all or nothing kind of feeling.  He goes down to 44 countries. Jesus will use the dinners and the laughter and just the being together to experience the joy. And Jesus is not a hard general about this symbol versus this symbol. He is generous with the symbols. He flooded my mind with beautiful symbols that I believed in. Only to show me that in this moment, I have everything. But he used the symbols to take my mind into a place where I could see that I was deprived and nothing. That's how generous the spirit is. It just takes your it expands your awareness and keeps expanding your awareness using the symbols of this world to help you feel so filled up on the inside of your heart that you can smile. And you can realize, and I really never needed anything. It was always right there for me, but I just didn't see it. It's happy. It's generous. We have a generous spirit that wants us to know the depth of who we are. It's very, very generous. I hear my cat playing sounds like my cat is playing or eating something eating. It's be one of those two sleeping. Not too many options. Well, what do you think you think we're ready to open it up. We're ready to open it up to all of you, beloveds to to join us with whatever is on your heart. And I mean, whatever. It doesn't really matter. Because we're here to celebrate this beautiful heart of mysticism and, and to realize that that Jesus has got us. We are in the tractor beam. Here comes our, our little critter ISO he will be may come on to the onto the set today because he sometimes does that he's quite, quite photogenic. So Pete calling Pete. If anybody wants to, to come on camera and share where your heart is at and whatever is touching your heart right now then just raise your, your digital hand and Pete can call on you so we can all be blessed by, by your sharing. Yes, and we've put some instructions in the chat on how to raise your digital hand. And you will be translated into a couple languages so please speak slowly for our translators possible. So, we can start with Rosanna. And you can unmute there. What are you doing. Good afternoon. Can you hear me. Yes. Hi Rosanna. Hi, Francis. Hello. Muito muito agradecida por esse. So thankful for this moment. For this opportunity. My question is, I am, I've been practicing the course for some years now. But when I look, I feel in my heart a lot of attachment. I am still very attached to a special relationship with my children. Even though I give it over those relationships. And I asked to see it in a different way but I can't do it. And when when my daughter comes to my place. And she tells me something said that happened to her. Or an event where she felt that she was mistreated. So I also feel this sadness with her. And I cannot hand it over this image and seeing in a different way. Even though I really want to. So I don't know, maybe I don't know what's happening in my mind. But this is what I want. I want this support this help so that I can hand this over this relationship to Jesus and really trust that my daughter and I we're being guided and we're protected. And I don't have to be sad with her. I don't want to go through problems about justice. So she told me yesterday she came yesterday. And she told me something very unfair that she's been going through and immediately I was sad with her. And I want to leave this image and I also want to let it go in my mind. But honestly, I'm not managing to do that. So this is my call for love to really release this special relationships with my children. Thank you. Thank you, Rosanna. Yeah, that I'm sure you're you're speaking for many when you when you share this experience. And, of course, in miracles, workbook lessons are designed to retrain our mind in its perception of everyone and everything, including family members. And many times people are practicing those early workbook lessons. And Jesus gives the instruction of using the lesson and letting your eyes pass around the room where you're practicing. And like you, many people when their eyes fall on a family photo or some image that has been very dear and very precious to them, feel an inner resistance to practicing the lesson with, we'll say a loved one like like your daughter. And so for Francis and I, we, we have so fully taken this into our heart and is our life devotion and practice that we can share some examples that might be helpful to you. Because we have faced those same thoughts as part of our mind training of tuning and aligning with with God. Francis and I have been to China about seven times. And when we go to China, we meet with many people and we let Jesus speak through us with groups and all types of encounters. And there was a time when we went to Beijing where Francis's mother lives. And she has not seen her daughter at that time for a long time. So she calls up and she's very excited. You're here. You're in China. You're in my city. I want to see you. I'm excited to see you. And this would seem to be a very typical kind of interaction that you would perceive in this world. And then Francis has to pray on that request and has to speak with her mother on the phone in terms of that request coming in and taking it to prayer. What does spirit want? Because we're there for a communication function and we have many people, actually hundreds of people that are wanting to meet with us. And we're there just for a relatively short period of time. So this is an example of the spirit saying you gave me your life. You gave me your heart to use for my purposes. And now something as common and simple as a request for a meeting and dinner is now put into the prayer of what is best for the whole universe. And Jesus teaches us everything you think and say and do teaches the whole universe. It's not just for you and your daughter. But every thought you have is for the whole universe. Every feeling that you experience is for the entire universe because our mind is the Christ. Our mind is created by God. And every single thought is for the entire universe. So the ego has just tricked us to think that our thoughts are limited to a person or a small group of persons. And that is not the nature of our mind. And therefore when we follow Jesus, we are loosening and undoing from those beliefs and those thoughts that limit us and bring fear to our mind. So this interaction you are describing when your daughter comes to visit you is a holy encounter that is the purpose of releasing the mind and the whole universe from the belief in the ego. That is the purpose of your meeting with your daughter. And Francis can share how she came to see that when we would go to China, we were used for a very, very high purpose. And that this was a practical opportunity to pray first. And to live in prayer instead of letting past learning and past associations dictate our actions. Yeah. I think what happened was when David and I were in China and being used, allowing ourselves to be used to join with the spirit and to allow the spirit message to come out, it actually benefits the whole universe, including my mother. So when my mom asked me to meet and our schedule was completely full, we have many, many gatherings and many one-on-one requests with the people who want to hear about the course. I said to my mom that I wouldn't, I don't have time to meet with you because there are other priorities. And that was taken by my mom in a very harsh way, like how, what about our relationship? But in my mind, I knew that I was in no place to help unless my mind was healed, unless I'm completely in and obedient to the guidance of the spirit. Because when I do that, my mind heals and heals together with the whole universe. It's not one-to-one. At first when I left my life to say, okay, I'm going to be looked after by Jesus and be a miracle worker going through the mind training, my mom put out many doubt thoughts. What about your future? What about health insurance? What if you get sick? What if you end up on the street? I couldn't answer her because I was not convinced yet. How can I convince her? Without me being convinced and being the living demonstration of that certainty, I could not convince her. So I had to go to truly allow myself to be guided, to be convinced. And then many, many trips back to China is the same. There is a direct request, let's meet. And I prayed to Jesus because to me that was no different request than anything that I can use to heal the mind. And then Jesus said, well, we have many priorities. We do that first. So we did finish a lot of gatherings. Then I did have just enough time for an hour and a half. So I did say yes to have this encounter with my mom. But the thing is everything is still a very much a healing opportunity for me because I feel the whole journey and the whole course is to learn what healing truly is and what true healthfulness is. I wouldn't know what healthfulness was before my mind was completely in alignment with Jesus. I couldn't help another. I couldn't help myself. So when I really buy into the fear of my mom, I was not in helpful state anymore. And yet all of those encounters can still be used by Jesus to say, if you just pray with me, then you will see it is the call for love from your own mind. And I would heal both through this holy encounter. I would heal both if I remember to pray, but that is the way it works. Every single encounter we have with the ones we love or with the ones we don't seem to know yet is healing everybody's mind and beliefs and our own. Yes. And it fits in with what I was just talking about, about how generous the spirit is, but I've known Francis for a number of years. And I have seen her in many contexts in many countries around the world with many, many thousands of people. And I know that when Jesus brings Francis and her mother together, it's always turns into a parable that is for teaching the whole universe. She has had so many amazing parables that her mother who was identified as an atheist has had mystical experiences now from Francis not compromising, from Francis staying strongly with spirit that her mother has had mystical experiences and even said to Francis, how do I tell my friends about these experiences now? And Francis said, it was just for you. So there have been many experiences, even a friend of ours, Judy Skush-Witzen, said she should write a book about some, about one of these experiences because it's so helpful. It's so helpful for everyone in the universe that she should write a book about just one of these experiences would bring a blessing to many, many people. Just a book of one of her experiences with her mother. So that's what we want to convey is that there's no loss. There's no sacrifice of love. There's no sacrifice of connection when we do God's will. And there's only gain. There's only blessing that comes from it. When your daughter shares the story of feeling misused or unfairly treated, that is your opportunity to bless her, to bless you and to bless the entire universe by teaching that God is with us. And if God is with us, nothing can be against us. That's from the Bible. If God is with us, nothing can be, who could be against us? And it takes willingness to be shown that. This is that under God, in God's grace, all is fair. And the ego is trying to convince us that things have gone wrong. In fact, what's your podcast tomorrow is that all things be exactly as they are. That's the title that Jesus has given for Francis' podcast tomorrow. What a beautiful title that all things be exactly as they are. But we must let the grace of God show us that. The ego will never show us that lesson, but God will surely deliver us and show us and save us, save our minds through the grace of this love from God. So thank you so much for bringing that question because it's a very common experience on planet Earth. You are sharing something from your heart and now the answer can be a blessing to the whole universe. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, well, we could go to Ligiani. You can unmute there. Hello. Thank you very much for the opportunity. It was a huge pleasure to be here with you. I have a conflict in my mind that constantly is haunting me because since I've started, even before Accords in Miracles, I contact with Jesus and the Spirit through the awakening. I felt that in order to be spiritual in that moment, I should stop eating meat. So I think this comes to many people's minds that are following this path. So there is a point in my life that I wanted to become vegan because this was very spiritual in my mind. And then I came to this world and then I saw how much conflict and hatred, so the opposite of love was present in this will of experiencing love. Then I let it go. This was a label. I didn't want it anymore, but I wanted compassion. But this is still in my mind because after getting into Accords in Miracles, I understand this is a huge projection, but at the same time, there is a conflict. That there is some suffering when I eat parts of an animal. There is some cruelty. And I believe this is the ego's plan so that I feel guilty. So nowadays I don't eat meat. So I don't eat red meat. I still eat fish and seafood, but I feel very guilty about it. And when I talk to other people who are Accords students, they also have this conflict. So I would like to expose it so that you can bring some light to it. And that I can let this conflict go in my mind. Thank you. That's a good question. I think it's, there's lots of beliefs and concepts that are tied into the body and eating and suffering that are very important. You know, when I was growing up, I would study the mystics and the Yogis and the saints. And like Yogananda would talk about Prana and Jesus would say, I live off of the Manna from heaven. And it was as if they were describing that they were living off of light. They were living off of the light of this world, but they were living off of a sustaining light and that they were light beings who lived in light. And now after maybe 30, 30 some years of working with the chorus, I know what they were talking about because I don't get hungry. The thought of what to eat is fallen completely. It falls away because there is no sense of what to eat or what not to eat. The appetite goes as well. And the conflict is what I talked about at the very beginning, where I said you have two things in your mind, time and eternity. And time and eternity will conflict until you learn to allow everything of time to be used to point you to eternity. So in terms of food and eating, you must come under the alignment of the spirit and you must let the spirit direct all activities of the body. It could be food, it could be speaking, it could be sexuality, it could be vocation. It is everything of this world has to come under the alignment of the direction of the spirit. The conflict is when the mind does not want to surrender to that alignment. That's the conflict in the mind. And what that is is the mind saying I value something of time more than eternity and it hurts. That's suffering is to value anything of time more than eternity. And it's really that simple. So I had a man one time who came from Sweden to over to one of my gatherings in the United States and he spent some time there really asking these questions like you're asking now. And he said, I'm a vegetarian and here's what I believe and here's why and I could relate to it all because that was me. I can relate to you exactly because I've gone through this internal struggle myself for many years ago. This was a struggle in my mind many, many years ago. And so when this this man came, he listened carefully, and he said, so I just have to trust and I said yes, just trust. The spirit will show you the way to bring your mind in alignment with the light. On his way back to Sweden, he's stopped off. I think it was New York City. And before he flew back to Sweden, he was guided by the spirit to go to a restaurant like a buffet. And curiously enough, the spirit guided him to order a piece of pizza.  And he called me to tell me about it. And he said he watched as he ordered the piece of pizza and he took it paid for it and he took it. And then Jesus said now pick up the sausage and look at it and smell it and taste it. And Jesus took him through a 10 minute process with this with this piece of sausage in the airport in New York City as a forgiveness exercise. Because while he was doing all these following the instructions of the spirit. And he was noticing his thoughts and emotions and resistances come up in this pizza sausage exercise. And this is not unlike anything anyone goes through. It can relate to situations that can relate to relationships, it can relate to all manner of beliefs that are held in mind. But every experience is one of letting go of a belief about time. And our belief about animals. All beliefs around suffering. And all beliefs around ethics and morality even the entire systems of ethics and morality are all based on linear time which was invented by the ego. To block us from experience of eternity. And I know Francis had experiences before she came to a course in miracles, probably like myself and like you. You had experiences around around food and beliefs around around energy, all kinds of health. And that was a big one health and how to eat healthy so that you know you nurture the body that was like a big belief of wanting to have energy wanting to have health through food, but whatever the belief I had at the time I, I was so into it. I had a whole mind into that direction to want to devote myself into that direction of being healthy and vegetarian vegan and all that until when I was practicing the course I felt some sense of unintegrity inside. Because there was two goals in my mind one was to to be healthy, whatever goal I have around the things I put in my mouth. There is a belief around that that was held very firmly, and there was a desire to say is all mind is all mind forgiveness offers that I want. And I feel I was practicing two things at the time. There was a underlying on integrity in my own mind that reached the point I feel I am being not integrates to myself, and I can only give my mind to one thing and give it fully, and I have to make a choice at the time. So I feel I'm going to give a chance to Jesus to convince me that everything in the end can be answered by forgiveness. All my fear around the body, all the witness around sickness, absolutely everything all the guilt can eventually be healed through forgiveness that was what I'm like my moment of choice, so to speak for myself. This is where I started to really join David I watched a lot of David's videos earlier as well around this topic food, and really see the, the, the oneness of every symbol, they are not living or dead animals or fish or plant, they're not living or dead but they are all symbols that can be used. I was the beginning, I think for me to started to really give myself over even diets to be guided and for me I have to say over the years, I can't tell you how many times the diet seem to change. It's, it's like every few years it becomes a different set of symbols because everything I, I would hold on to as if it produced some results in any way. The next thing Jesus is losing it up. Nothing is coming from external like it's one lesson that was kept showing me over and over again with every symbol including food. Yeah. And recently I think it might have been on Ken's show, get real show. Our friend loose, who's actually I see loose you're here with this. Now this is over in Porta Vallarta. I just raised the question, because she's been through many experiences with her body and extreme experiences and conditions and she was just sharing this past week that that she is going through an experience where she no longer has a calling to eat, and her body is has become more thin.   So she's, it's not so much about eating meat or fish or vegetables or rice. It's just this experience that when she's tried to eat. It's terrible. If the food goes in her mouth. She feels very bad when she just goes along day by day intuitively, which is not involving the desire to eat. She feels content, peaceful, happy. Now, for her that the thought is is facing the past, the past conditioning is saying for a human being, not eating is is a dangerous thing, because it's it's talking about death. And yet, the mystics and the saints, and I now I'm experiencing this directly, I'm seeing very clearly that, that all appetites are based in lack. All appetites and the desire for anything of this world is has a basis in the ego. And when you devote your mind to miracles, and when you align with the source, gradually, for most people gradually, these, these desires and these appetites fade away. And they are overtaken by joy. Joy overtakes lack, because joy is from eternity, and lack is from time. And these two, believe these two experiences are both in our mind, Jesus is telling us, but, but when you give everything over to the voice of eternity, the voice that speaks for God. It takes your mind to an expansive state of, of abundance in the light. That's the best way I can describe it. It's just a very abundant joyful experience. So again, I'm so glad that you're raising this because what you're raising is very common for many Course in Miracle students. They, they feel it's an inner conflict but as Francis said, it's just a call into a deeper integrity, where you can't trick yourself and fool yourself into compartmentalizing certain behaviors and actions of the body, but don't line up with the teachings of unity of oneness. And in a Course in Miracles, Jesus says, what do you want, freedom of the body or freedom of the mind for both you cannot have. In other words, he's teaching us to free our mind of false beliefs and experience true freedom. And we could say that Jesus is saying to you in a very gentle way, do you want health of the body or health of the mind for both you cannot have. If you try to define yourself as the body and you defined health in terms of the body, you will not know the health of the mind, which is inner peace, which is the only experience that is is actually truly available. And we start to realize that the body is actually very neutral to the Holy Spirit, it's just a device, an image that is used to bring you home. And Francis was saying that her diet has changed so much over the years because the diet would be based on guidance and not on a prescribed belief of do this, don't do that.  I, I love all the examples Jesus has given me. My, my grandmother, Lillian. She loved candy. Oh, she ate so much candy and so much chocolate for so many years that she outlived all of her doctors. But she lived to be 99 she lived beyond all of her doctors that warned her that her sweet tooth would kill her. But when she finally passed from this world she had a peaceful face. She had a smile too, because she, she had been followed and let the spirit guide her eating. And most people, most doctors will not tell you that sweets and chocolate are part of the way to God. However, Lillian knew different. She lived all of the naysayers that tried to prove her long. So that's just shows that it's, it's all in the mind. You know, she was, she was definitely not. See now that's practical. More important than your food question was the dog that was trapped under the blanket. So your dog just acted out.  That was most important. So that was a good demonstration for all of us. Spirit is so playful. So thank you. Oh, sweet. Okay, well maybe next. We can go to the last, you can unmute yourself there. Hello David Francis. Yeah. So firstly, thank you for the chance for being here. It's so nice. I've got a question regarding private faults. Maybe my definition is not correct. But in my understanding, private faults are temptations in a divided mind. And we all have a divided mind. So therefore, we all have private faults and nothing the course but I read it somewhere related to the course that slowly but surely after years of practice. The private faults can disappear from the mind. And I'm asking you whether this, this is true, whether this is true or not because if I think of Jesus, then he must have also have private faults at least for those 40 days in the desert. And yes, and this is, and this is my question. And also I would be, I would be grateful if you could share some practical advice regarding dealing with private faults. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Many blessings to Hungary. As I mentioned, I don't have an appetite, then my friend comes on from Hungary. Jesus is always playing with these things. But yes, private thoughts are mentioned in the early part of the workbook where Jesus says, you have no private thoughts. And yet that is all you are aware of. It's like when Jesus says, at no single instant does the body exist at all. It's always remembered or anticipated. You see, private thoughts have to do with time that in no single holy instant are their private thoughts, but private thoughts are always remembered from the past, or anticipated in the future. They're always intended to keep us away, to tempt us away from the holy instant, from the present moment that reaches to eternity. So all Jesus says is, give them to me. He says, yes, as you seem to be a person on earth, you seem to have many private thoughts. They aren't real, but you believe that they are. So he says, give them to me and let me give them back to you as guidance. So you have private thoughts about your wife, you have private thoughts about your, your son, who you let me meet with your phone and your wife and your daughter on the phone. And you have these private thoughts and Jesus says, good, you give them to me and I will give them back to you as guidance. And it is always our way of loosening from the private thoughts. And yes, Jesus was an example of one who, who transcended all private thoughts because he transcended the ego. When I first used to read the Bible. I would when I first was given the Bible in church, I thought this is a big book. This is a very big book. I was not attracted to so many words. And then I was told I had to go to Bible class. And I thought, oh no, that's, that's trouble. And, and then I started to like the red, there was some at the end of the book. There was red letters. I like the red letters. Because every time I was reading the red letters that were coming from Jesus and the red words, it felt like he was speaking to the whole universe. Like it wasn't a man speaking. Before Abraham was I am was all in red. And I thought that's not a man that can't be a man speaking the words like that. And, and then I know with Francis when you read the section on Jesus in the your answer book. You had the same feeling that that this was no man speaking that this was the universal spirit speaking to not just earth, but to every galaxy and every planet throughout all the universe. It was it was a universal experience and that's an example of the state of mind that does not have private thoughts. That's also a state of mind that is so pristine and still that it doesn't have any ego preferences or ego concern for outcomes in the world it doesn't have any worldly goals. It's the I am presence. And that is the goal of the course is peace. He says that the goal of this course is not knowledge, because that's heaven, but the goal is is peace. And that peace comes from the guidance of giving all your private thoughts over to the Holy Spirit and Jesus and saying now you give them back to me every day as guidance. And that's what you're doing. That's that's actually your practice with the course of miracles. So Jesus is saying, I don't expect you to be without temptation in this world. He's saying that's, that's the standard for this world is his temptation. He's saying if you'll just pray and follow my guidance every day. I will bring a new way of experiencing the world where you feel connected.  And that's why for Francis and I, it's very, very practical we talk so much about guidance, because for us every day is all about the guidance. We, we wake up we just don't know what's coming. We don't know the day, but we know it will be shown to us and it will, it will be perfectly given. And it will just show up in the moment. We don't have to anticipate the future, because that's more private thoughts, if we keep concerned about what our future holds or concerned about what our past seem to be that's that's the range of private thoughts. So this is, this is ballet so this is very practical this is the kind of question that we love because we always keep talking about guidance. Probably we will until we speak no more words. The last word on earth, guidance. So thank you. Okay, well we have quite a few hands up. I might go to some of our newer participants. We could go to David cutting. You could unmute there. Hello. Hi. Hi Francis I do it. Hi. Hi, thank you for having this free event. And on my day off that was so consider. Okay, so. Wonderful.   Yet, I'll find like today, you know, I'm home and it's still there, you know like some of these stories some of these things there's even if I'm not thinking of them you know they're not hey I'm upset about this no that's, you know, but it's like, I think I feel upset. I think I feel angry. I think if and it's like, like there's still these. And I'm like, and I'm practicing practice and practicing yet. There's not really this feeling of letting go yet. There's this. And I'm like, hmm, how do I get to that. How do I really let go. You know, I think I'm letting go.  You know, so there's like that. Even when I'm getting guidance and getting answers and I'm seeing an experiencing miracles and you know and I'm turning to all of these things.  And we would really love any advice guidance on that. Thank you. Thank you, David. Nice to see you again. Yeah, it's interesting for me how Jesus, there it is. That's funny, I was just going to talk about a coffee cup and you brought it up that what Jesus says it's the past is gone and only its loveliness has been saved for you. In part he says, I've preserved a purified form of the past for you.  And he's calling the forgiven world or the happy dream, like the blessed residue. So he's saved only the blessed residue for you, and all the other residue. He's saying you can let it go. But I think you do have to. That's what I had to do is I had to really take an honest look at my investment and my attraction to the residue.  Oh, is this this really what you want to really want this more than happiness and joy, you know, it's this little particle, sometimes. The coffee cup thing that you just raised was reminds me because I, I don't really have an appetite but I do have a cup of coffee. So I get up in the morning and I have a cup of coffee, but interestingly enough, this is actually the cup that I have. I love cup. And it's got love on both sides and this is actually facsimile of the one that I actually, I'm in the studio now but it's my gosh, got the same cup that I wake up with. So, when I wake up and I make myself a cup of coffee. The interesting thing comes is when you're finished. So, you know how coffee can be. And you look in there and you've got a little bit and you know if you don't really clean it. If you don't clean it that that you are going to get a coffee stains, because of residue. It's the coffee residue in the coffee cup. It's not like water, but water doesn't seem to, but coffee has a residue. So I, I drink my coffee, and I do my meditations and then I take my coffee cup into the kitchen. And every day, I put in the soap, and I get my brush, and I really give it the attention every single day so that when my cup goes into drying rack. I make sure I click at the residue. I make sure I put the attention to get the residue out. It's just symbolic for my mind of don't leave a little bit of drips lingering because you know they will be a stain there. If you've got if you don't really scrub it out with I use soap and a bristle brushing I get. And that's kind of a good analogy of the mind training. We're talking about the heart and mysticism is we have to have that same attention and focus to not leave any grievances, or ever any subtle little judgments about a person, place or thing. If my mind is supposed to be pristine and as a creation of God, then I can't leave those little niggling judgments there I got to scrub it up.  But there's a purpose for that. I'm not just trying to make a Walt Disney movie in my bathtub. I, you know, there is a purpose for for cleaning the mind that's what the saints called empty your mind, just have a clean pristine mind. Joy is too important to me I, I'm not going to mess around with it, you know, it's like, it's either hold on to a few things, like building a residue from the past, or stay in the joy, I'm going for the joy. And that's, that's a good example. In fact, before you pick the cup up with David on I have my love cup and I was thinking that's a perfect example to what you're talking about. And we've that basically is our focus. I mean, that's what that's the kind of life we live. You know, we, we, I don't mean we don't think of it as scrub it up. But there is an air and thought that's loose will be like the woman preceded you that had the dog that was under the cover and was calling for attention is pull that cover back.  And I think also the tolerance of the pain gets lower and lower. Jesus said you have a very high tolerance of pain because you can, you know, we will grab we want to suppress repress and pretend avoid.  Reach is the same, you know, so that that definitely give us motivation to go all the way. And look at the sign you see the sign behind David, every good and perfect gift comes from above. Your answer is right there right over your shoulder, your left shoulder. That's the grace of God raining down on our mind you know every good and perfect gift comes from above. So thank you David it's so wonderful to see you again. Beautiful. Okay well David and Francis if you see someone you want to pick you can or I can choose another one. Who's that waving there. Who's that blue shirt waving he's he's eager I think he, he should come on.  Can't hear you just yet. You'll just have to choose the unmute option. Hi Francis hi David, I'm very glad it's the first time contact I have with you. And thank you very much for all your help already what I had by YouTube. Okay. I have here. Okay. My question. It's also about the timeline and everything. I didn't have a question today. I'm not busy that long today I'm at last 309. And it says like moral lessons. I see them as affirmations. Is it right. I use them as affirmations. Now I learned about affirmations by Louisa hey and others. Yeah. And days. They say you have to put the affirmation always in the now. Yeah, not in the future and here it sets. I have to translate it because I speak Dutch. I shall today. Not be afraid to go inside. Yeah. Why not. I am today not afraid to go. It gives me my ego it jumps on it and it gives it an opportunity to make it difficult. I don't know I have to explain. So why you put it there on the timeline and now in not in the now. I don't understand. That's my question. Well, Jesus is practical when he gives you an instruction for today. Today into now, because that's that's what he's really meaning. Just when he also says to pray to the father he's he's really saying come inside to that still point in your mind where you make contact with with God. And so, as you practice the lesson, then, as we were just talking about with the last, you notice anything that would come up that would be a resistance or a distraction. That would be a thought from the past, or a thought from the future that would keep you from going into that stillness perfect stillness. And that's why, when we attempt to go in and, and you could say to meditate or to pray, and you feel something else arising in you that that wants something else it wants to do something, or it wants to recall something, or it wants to plan something. Then you, you honestly look at whatever that is that that comes counter to be still and know the call of God is to be still and know, and then you notice whatever arises that is counter to that. And you pay attention to that I had to pay attention. What do I value. Do I value what do I value doing more important than the stillness. What do I value achieving more important than the stillness. What do I value resolving in this world, more than the stillness that that brings you closer when you're aware of it. You don't just act on on it on when you're asleep or when you are just doing something out of conscious awareness, then that's just a subconscious program. So, yeah, Francis can share a bit but that's my experience is that we need to get in touch with what is unconscious and what is out of awareness. And that's what the lesson is really asking you to do is to go make an attempt to go inside and face whatever is is unconscious whatever is still arising. And actually this morning when when David and I were driving over here, David you said, you know, really the time can be used to to learn to unlearn time that's what Jesus is is teaching us. So it's not that there is a problem that we believe in time we believe in today, we believe in schedules, but the task is really just to use everything that we still believe believe and then let it be given to the most amazing thing, and that Jesus use it to teach us. So really, even the workbook lesson. Every single day is a reuse of time repurpose of time to me every day because I have a lot of I could have a lot of priorities, and the mind can give them priorities and Jesus is saying if you can give priorities to me every single hour just remember me for five minutes. That is a reuse of time for this higher purpose. So that is truly what workbook lesson is teaching us is just to give the mind to give the time to remember God, first and foremost, and that is the fear there's a tremendous fear in mind about that. And even I think today's lesson Jesus even said that, you know, be be be careful like some. I know you probably can't do it every single hour to remember the lesson, but be careful some of those tasks are a deliberate resistance to remember camouflage camouflage exactly. So, so to me, I will be thinking, you know, really, there is so many busy doings in the day.  And this is a purification of the willingness that we can really start to really give the priority over to the instruction and to to the use of time that way. And then we see that anything that we we prioritize over that it is actually a fear of going to that direction. The fear takes so many destructive forms that it doesn't show up as fear necessarily. It just shows up as other priorities. But, but I think that is what you're asking as well, you know, why this, all these ritual practices and what is that for is really just for training of the mind to to reprioritize the use of time the use of all the symbols in this life. Well, yeah. And he does. He does tell us that time is in the hands of the miracle worker. So how does what does he mean by that. For me, it's this moment is so charged with with joy that everything of time can be just used for this moment. It is like with you now, I feel the spirit is pulling on the whole of time and space just for this moment of transmission. And for example on Saturdays I, I do a movie workshop. And I'm always so excited. And here I've shown the movie or seen the movie 60 times. It would, I would show up on Saturday as if it's the first time with the movie, give me matrix. Okay, I'm excited, as if I've never seen matrix before. And I've had students over the years that, that say, people say, Have you seen this movie and they say, Yeah, I saw it BC, before the course and AC is after the course. So they're talking about BD and AD before David and after David because they sometimes see the same movie with me but it's always brand new. We never know what the spirit's going to comment going to say, it's always like brand new in the moment. For me, when I show up on Saturday morning, it's the first time. It's, it's me showing a movie for the very first time, because there's only the first time. I, I don't, I don't bring a past reference into the moment. People have know me sometimes they say, Oh, David, you must have seen that movie 4060 times. How can you be so excited with something that you've seen 60 times. But I don't bring the past. To me, this moment is, is for the moment of illumination. It's to bring a gift. It's to extend the blessing. And the only way I can do that is to not have any past reference and I don't even think about it during the week. I don't, I don't think about the movie or what I'll show. I know prayer. It's given to me through prayer so I don't need to think about it in the time sense. And it works with relationships to that's how relationships stay vibrant and alive is because they don't have a past or a future.  Because it's the truth. You know it contradicts the human experience like completely, but it's actually true. If, if I'm really in that state of mind where I know we have no past together and no future together, then it's fresh. It's clean. It's crystal clear. There's no grievances.  So thank you. That's a perfect opportunity to practice the lesson where you just really bring it back to really being open to be inward with that connection to spirit and putting that as your top priority above anything else. Even practice when I was doing the workbook. I was doing my workbook lessons and course students would say to me, did you look ahead and did you see what this lesson is and I'm not interested. I'm expecting to wake up. Today, right now with this lesson, I am not interested in future course and miracles that don't even tell me what it is. I don't want to know. I don't want to know because that's the that's the attitude that you have to have to wake up. You have to be like swallowed up by the present moment, you know, is Jonah and the whale. The whale is, is the Holy Spirit and I want to get swallowed by the Holy Spirit.  Thank you. Well, maybe we could go to Marcia next. You can unmute that. Hello, David. Hello, Francis. Hello, Joe. I'm very happy to be here. I'm really, really happy. I'll try to keep it short. So this is my question. I feel when I'm very engaged in a difficult emotion. When I'm identified with this emotion, then it's much more difficult to hand it over to the Holy Spirit, because I feel that I'm there as if I'm like in a inside a river that is carrying me with this emotion. My tendency is to repress the emotion as if it was like protection. And then I, I, I'm not able to give it over and not embrace this emotion. So I would like to know how, at the same time, I can hand it over to the Holy Spirit, and at the same time, embrace myself and embrace what I'm feeling without being identified with this difficult emotion. Thank you. That's beautiful, Marcia. Yeah, I think it's, it's turning the turning things right side up where the ego wants us to find security and safety and peace in our person and our surroundings. So we say I want a peaceful home, and I want a peaceful environment. And if I'm going to have a partner, I better have a peaceful partner. I am not going to deal with a conflicting partner, and, and the safety and the security and the peace are only coming from our function of forgiveness. So I know when I first started traveling a lot, the faces would change every day, the places would change. There was no consistency, no continuity in relationships and environments and situations. I, that's why Jesus took me traveling for like five years, because he's, he said, you, you have associated your peace with things and situations, and, and your mind is upside down. He said, no wonder you feel stuck.  I just read a quote from Albert Einstein last week. And Albert Einstein said, if you want to be happy, don't look for it in people or in situations. Look for it in a goal. And I thought, oh my God, there's Einstein channeling the spirit again, because the goal is his forgiveness. The goal is this moment. And when we associate ourselves with the timeline, we think we're being good, we're being ambitious, we're, we're being fulfilling in terms of our wants and our desires where we're building a good consistent. We tell ourselves continuous self concept in time. We say, well, I'm productive today and I've achieved these things and I've accomplished these things and I have a status now and Jesus is just going no, no, no, no. Those, those things are part of being stuck. And that's why the stuck emotions stay there is because of our investment in a self concept that we have made to take the place of this instant. So, like when people watch Eckhart Tolle, they feel this warmth in their heart, and he talks and he says a few more words. He's, it's a joke. Time has become a joke. And the present moment has become the reality, the, the anchor.  You know, when he had his park bench experience his mind flipped. It flipped so much that he, he couldn't even relate to the world. When, when he came through it, it, it went like this to his mind. When people, it's more of a gradual flip. We practice every moment to go to, to have things turned around. We slowly lose our investment in, in the world, in things of the world, things that were once important suddenly are not. And we become very content with the stillness is suddenly our mind is, is it feels natural to be still. And the only words that come are inspired words, you know, that, that feel like it's a blessing coming grace coming through us. So I'm glad you're, you're raising that because that, that is really what we've dealt with in our lives. We've, we went from feeling like we were adapted and adjusted, like well adjusted human beings to being clueless, clueless for God. Like show me with everything show me show me the way, make it clear. Very much like a child, you know, much, much like a child like show me the way we stick our hands up show me the way. Lead me. Yeah, I think what you're saying is also, once we buy into the ego and believe something, then they become very difficult to give over because Jesus said you can't really first accept the error, and then forgive it, like, in terms of everything that the upside down perception, you know, it, you know, we can see in a situation for example, we feel okay. The situation looks this way. I am a victim. And, and then from that place it feels very difficult to surrender and to really find peace because there is something that is already accepted as an error. And really in this path, you know we start from, from the, what do you call it from the bottom up, you, you, you start with very specifics, everyday situations, and yet it is all loosening to say, if I am wrong, or from the very beginning, even the way I look at the situation. And that really would lead you on this journey to reach where David was just talking about then the whole self concept will be seen as false. Accept this, and then find peace within it, you know, but this is like a journey like you're saying start from the situation, you already see the impossibility just accept the ego's interpretation how hard from that point to then forgive it. But this is why we, we want to give it from the beginning to the spirit. And as an example, Jesus teaches, without judgment, all things are equally acceptable, all things. So when you watch the news, without judgment, all things are equally acceptable. And at first it starts as just kind of an idea, and then it starts to come closer into your experience where you start to feel, oh, wow. It's like a whole new way of looking at the world. So a few years ago, we were over at a studio of ours called QDS. And I said, I'm going to show a really deep movie. This is so powerful was Mr. Nobody. And so I was showing the movie and we were doing online retreat and it was so exciting and I was so into the moment. At one point, right outside the window of the studio was a big electronic electric transformer with all the power to the house. And in the middle of the movie I looked out and boom, the transformer exploded sparks were flying, the camera went off, the lights went off. Everything, the transmission stopped and everything. And I remember Pete coming in and looking around and he was he was trying to think, could we move to another studio would we move all the cameras and all the lights. And I watched him I could see wheels turning in his mind, but I was like, no. It's over for today. We will try again tomorrow. It didn't bother me at all that in the middle of this great movie that the power had exploded and the whole thing was shut down, because I was invested in the moment I was like a kid. And I was watching, I could see it out the window I could see the transformer exploding I could see all the lights going off. This fun is exciting to me. And I knew all the people on the broadcast would would show up the next day and we would continue on with Mr. Nobody. But I told Pete no no it's over. Don't even think of it will wait and they fixed the transformer and we, we continue the next day and I had the same glee and happiness to pick right up where I was, because I don't see the continuity I don't look for continuity and time. And how much fun the relationships are when you're not looking with expectations how long will the relationship last. Will we stay together will we break up. You know, will we be in harmony or will we be in conflict you know, human relationships are wild.  I'm going to do this again. I'll try again. And then, oh, I can't stand it I'll never, never going to fall in love.  No, then you come back. But until you get to the present moment, emotional roller coaster ride of relationships, because of the expectations of you need to do this for me and you need to be the perfect partner and you need to, you know, heal this issue with your mother or heal this issue with your father. It's just problems on on top of problems, but now when you come into the moment, then, then it's all solved.  You can stay you can go you can do this you can do that but but your happiness is so based in the moment that you aren't really concerned with how the appearances go. You know, you're going to enjoy enjoy the pretty pictures, no matter how they look, because you're not going to judge them. That's the turnaround that's what we're going for in our mind to be as a child to be as a child you know is is really a precious thing, because you don't already think you know, and then you can be happy. But as soon as you think, I know this I know this this needs to change and this needs to improve. It's karma, it's back to the wheel. Again. We got a. Looks like we've reached the top of the hour guys. How are you feeling there. It always goes so quick. Seeing anybody on there. I see. Is that Jessica. Yeah, Jessica is that just concern. There. Maybe we should hear what they've got to say. No, I think that's, that's, you know, Mika and Amanda, Mika and Amanda. Okay, there, those two that's who's waiting. It looked like from a distance. That's our. Francis. Wow. Wow, it's incredible. It's incredible. Wow. Wow. Um, this morning, before the event started, my cast was in a process. Amanda, you might have to put it on to Spanish so we can hear the translator. This is a bilingual couple here who are, are diving with different languages so they even have the high tech earbuds to get the right language for everybody. Jesus is perfect. Okay, this morning, Mika was going through a process. Well, between the spirit, the ego, and in that moment I felt like Jesus was taking me towards him. And it has been amazing because suddenly I just felt how Jesus was talking through me. And it has, it's so beautiful to see the process, because it's been the same words that I have heard you Francis say and David say when the, at the start of the session. For me, it's amazing. It's amazing to feel how everything is perfect. How everything is just a confirmations all the time. When I listen to Rosanna Sherry, I felt that I was going to explode. There was something within me that I couldn't stay inside of my body. I literally wanted to explode, literally, I wanted to explode and expand everything that I am, and just banish in that instant, because I was able to understand very well our situation, you know, David all that has been happening with my daughters. And for me, having gone to Spain the past three weeks, going back home, it's been miracles after miracles that's what I was telling you yesterday when we were eating. I was not being able to be catch from the being Amanda, but see myself in union with Jesus all the time and be able to see everyone in that in those relationships my daughters without that attachment with that without that role has been such a big liberation from from them and for me, and to be able to see them and not see any past in any of them. It's like everything just disappears. It's like seeing a new image and you me. When I came to Spain, my daughter Amanda, the youngest one, she gave me the news that she was pregnant. She was six weeks and a half pregnant. Truly, I really didn't feel anything like joy, happiness, anything. I was like, okay, she's pregnant. Okay. But there was nothing like a judgment that says it's good thing or bad thing. And a day before coming here to Mexico, she called me. I was in my mother's home and she said, mom, I'm in the hospital. I want you to be okay. I want you to be peaceful. Everything's okay. And it will be whatever it has to be. And in that moment, I felt so much peace. There was nothing in my mind that was making me feel any worry any judgment. And for me, the miracle was what happened afterwards when she came in a little time after she told me and called me, I lost my baby and mom, I'm happy from this experience that I have lived. Mom, I feel so happy that since you came back from there. I've seen something so different in me that I feel so happy for everything that's happening and everything that you are transmitting to us. Mom, you're another person. Mom, I don't know what happened to you. But I love everything that you're transmitting to everyone. And for me, having been able to live this experience of pregnancy and having lost the pregnancy, I feel it's been a miracle for me, because I see things in such a different way. And I was like, I couldn't believe what was happening yesterday when I was telling you the first miracle happened when I was in the airplane to go into Spain. And it was like every day, David, every day I was telling you David, I don't know what was happening in me. I could feel so much identification with the character really. I could see everything like that play with like that movie without judging it without wanting to change it, just observing. In the end, it was like be able to see love in each situation. It was seeing my mother and she was still the same. But I was, I love you so much that I cannot hold it inside of me. And it was laughter and laughter all the time. It was amazing. When we saw each other with Esther and Kim, something took me outside to just go with him alone. And it was that feeling I'm going to explode because it was Jesus was talking through me all the time, but it was for me, it was all for me. It was amazing what I was living and what I'm living every day, every moment. It's like, it's something magic, magical, it's incredible. And the most amazing thing was when on that one night, when I was home with my mother, I could feel even more intensely that union with Jesus. I could feel all the time his presence. It was, it was impossible not to be all the time praying. I feel like my life is constant prayer. I cannot be unattached to that communication with him. And it was beautiful and amazing when I was able to feel Jesus telling me you and I are one. There is no differences between you and me. We are both that character that we're living and truly that union with the Father, with God. Because for me, the symbolic word is the Father. And I don't know what happened in that moment. That was explaining Spava yesterday, the best that I could. And I was telling here, I feel such a different love. I feel that I cannot judge anything because it's impossible to judge. Because I have felt so joined with that thought of God that the only thing that I can feel is gratitude, trust. I don't know anything. I wake up every morning. I have no clue what's going to happen. But I am so peaceful. I feel so guided in every moment. In my relationship with Micah, it's something so beautiful not to feel that role, that attachment, but at the same time feeling that unified feeling in all the time. But I feel it with everything really. And I feel so grateful for every experience that I'm living since I came back to Mexico, co-living. And everything that has been coming afterwards, how I can see without putting any judgment and not see any problem in anything. Yesterday we were with everyone in Nebelias. I was listening to them talking. I spoke with Lin. I showed her and I opened my heart to what I was feeling. And it was wow. You see it all in a new light. So different. It's not giving any kind of reality to anything that's happening outside. It's to see through his same vision. Having freed my daughter from that role, from my sister, my mother, the whole world. To be able to be in such peace. To be able to be with myself so much in peace. To have forgiven myself, have forgiven the character of Amanda, of the pain that has caused herself. And well, she really hasn't caused anything. I felt such a freedom, such a big, big freedom that the only thing that I want is to give it away, extend it. But really, it's so that I can receive it. Because it's the only way that I can feel that I am receiving it. Because really, I'm not giving it to anyone else. I'm giving it to myself. I'm giving it. It's such an equality with everything. Since I felt how Jesus is with me and was part of me, the only, my only prayer was father, beloved father, I am with you all the time. I want to be one with you. I already felt one with Jesus and with the spirit. But it's difficult to put words to it, to this feeling. It's like a fountain.  We have to switch the technology. We interrupt this transmission for a technical adjustment. There we go. It's like a fountain. A fountain that just is pouring out and pouring out with an endless supply. And all the fountain, it just gives its water. It gives its water and it keeps giving. And there's no timeline to that. Every day is shown moment by moment and you don't have to think ahead even. And if something is offered as a plan, it can seem to shift and change, but it doesn't matter because the fountain keeps giving. It keeps radiating. Thank you for witnessing to this with everyone because Amanda, she's so beautiful all the steps you've followed in such faith. Taking one step that Jesus gave you and then another and then another and another and it continues. And it's just a huge gift because you don't see problems. That is no small gift to see a world without problems. That is the greatest gift you could offer because that is connection to God. God doesn't see problems. The ego tries to throw something in there, but God's spirit doesn't see a problem. Thank you. And thank you for you and Micah both to be so transparent, you know, for everyone because everyone needs hope. Everybody wants to experience a relationship that has spaciousness and welcoming and and healing and openness. And, you know, everyone talks about soulmates and all these different things, but it's even simpler than soulmates is the present moment. The soul doesn't get any happier than in this moment. So it's beautiful. So thank you. Precious. Well, what do you think? Do you see something standing out for you? I just saw earlier, I think Thomas waved his hand. Yeah, is that Thomas Thomas? Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, that's so awesome. Hey. Wow, I tell you what, David Francis, you know, I've been with you a couple of times on some of the movie workshops and celebration of illumination and I'm working on this and I've asked, I've been on this subject with you a couple of times but something has changed today. I did want to say thank you for everything first and I appreciate it. So this has been a good mind washing today. And I'll get right to the point. You know, I would love to have that connection that the previous speaker had. And maybe that's for me but you know, you said at the beginning, David, it's hit me like guidance is waiting for us to be open to it and I have to be willing to be open.  And so, you know, I've been upset. And I know that the specific form is not, you know, the key thing to resolve but I've been upset, and it keeps nagging at me now for past couple years. And that is my fear of not being able to find stable work, and it's been exasperated especially this past year, not having enough money to support my family and, you know, I'm reading here that, you know, you said earlier struck me like, so I'm tired of being upset about this day, Dave and Francis was tired of it and the desire you said here desire for anything in the world comes from lack. If we lose interest, we gain joy. How do I lose interest. I really, I really want to lose interest and get more connected to that spirit. And I had there's difficulty I guess with, you know, how do I give it to Jesus. You know, you say offer the thoughts and expect something in return of men I have been working on it and make it obvious, and, you know, I'm here is my prayer I'm here. And so, I don't want this attraction to the residue man anymore. You know, because I want to experience love way more than that but you know I don't want to have interest in it but yet obviously I've got to be able to do things pay bills to do things in the constant nagging of this. I would welcome guidance and trying to feel something different.  And I'm tired of it. So, but I'm hopeful so that's why I'm here. So thank you. Thank you, Thomas. So, it's like, when we, when we look at our world and our circumstances and we have that part in our mind that goes wow. I wish I had steady work I wish I had enough money to provide for my family and we can tick off will say four or five boxes like wow. If I could tick those five right there, then I'd be a lot more peaceful. And actually I work with people that tick off like 100 boxes of what the world would call success. They're, they're more than successful I just had a call recently with someone who's more than successful. We're talking mega mega mega success as the world judges it like tick off 1000 boxes. And, and then they come to the point, like, I'm still not happy. Like they've ticked off not five but 1000. And there's still not like, wow, there's some kind of a game going on here because I should be happy with those 1000 boxes. But I'm not. And that's when they start to realize that they have a responsibility to be happy.  I have no right to be unhappy, because I've ticked off 1000 boxes here, but I must have not been looking in the right place if I'm still unhappy with those 1000 boxes.   He's an he's a Rinpoche. He's in a deep tradition. And he's not just a monk. He's a very successful monk. He's, he started monasteries around the world. He's loved and adored by by his monastery and other monasteries. And he's a successful monk. He's he's written books. He speaks about the Dharma and spiritual awakening all over the world. He was like a super, super successful month will say she checked will say 100 boxes he easily checked off 100 boxes. He's super monk.  No one providing for him. No one looking after him.  But then he went out and was it for four years. He, he wandered that's the name maybe you should watch this. This video it's called wandering, but not lost. He goes out for four years outside of his comfort zone as as a successful monk to really face what is it in my mind. He has to face every scrap of doubt. He has no one looking after him.  So, when we talk about that idea that our only responsibility is as atonement is accepting the correction that fits in with our purpose. And I know for myself, it goes, it went from studying the course and reading the course. And I mean I really saturated myself sometimes for eight hours a day with that course I mean I was eating and drinking and sleeping it. Well, Jesus was like good start. Good start. I'm like what do you mean good start. He's I'm taking you on walk about.  Jesus was for me to build the faith in the spirit that everything I perceived that I needed was met internally, not externally to convince me that I was not at the mercy of an external world. Really develop a close relationship, a connect connection with the spirit, so intimate that every time I would have a discomfort or a concern or a worry I would just have to go and pray and let it be shown to me, but not David deciding what's next, but really saying, you know the way you, you lead me. And then you start to realize Wow, the Holy Spirit only sees the world as a as a teaching device for bringing you home. Wow, unbelievable. I mean it's at first it's like you can't even take it in. That's the only thing the world is is a teaching device for bringing me home. That just flips the world around suddenly, you know, when things turn out a certain way you start to just be happy, like what like with the transformer exploding in the middle of the movie. And everything goes out. Am I thinking Wow, there's a lot of people that are just sitting there and and seeing a blank screen. No, I wasn't thinking that all I could feel was the joy of the moment like nothing happens by accident and Wow this is interesting and exciting. Because, because I didn't have an investment, even in finishing the movie, or finishing the retreat, it eventually did the next day but I had to just accept it. So, we're with you in that that's part of how we inspire and energize each other is the way we practice and live it demonstrates that it's it can be done. In fact, it demonstrates that it's inevitable. We can't even avoid it. If we try. Eventually, you know the simplicity of the light just totally overtakes us overtakes our mind. And we're right there with you in the sense that that I had situations like you're describing where I just thought wow I maybe I'm going to try to pray here and see. And with with some trust and confidence that that's something important is going to be shown to me. Because I thought my circumstances really aren't here by by random by happenstance that you know this is all designed to teach me something very important that's the way I felt. And then I would have to go inside and say what is the lesson here what are what are you really wanting me to see. I wouldn't even focus on what I was the resistance I would just focus on humbly saying show me what it is that I need to see. Like for example with a job if I would get laid off of a job I would say wow okay this must be. This must have something important to teach me. But if I repeatedly tried to get a job and I couldn't, I would say wow I don't understand this but I, I think the time that I have right now is for something important. If, if I'm trying to open doors and they're not opening, then there must be a reason behind that. And, you know, and we keep experiencing that it always goes that way it's there's never an exception to to that. Beautiful. Are we good or do you have anything more to share. Oh, thank you so much I mean that that made, you know that made sense and, and I'll, I figured I would have understood something by now to say hey where's my what's my learning here like what is this for you know.  You know, in terms of maybe finding out what is the lesson here what do I need to learn. I'm not trying to find another, you know, obviously I'm trying to find a different way to make money and I really don't I don't want to care about it, but I would like to be able to, you know, move that kind of out of the because everything else is great, and I had this big thorn, and, you know, I've just, it's just been kind of a let down that, you know, I haven't been able to connect with, you know, looking at it the right way or getting guidance and maybe there's no guidance going to I'm not looking for a magic bullet I guess it's a hey Tommy should go over there, interview with that other job or whatever else I mean I'm not. I know that's not going to do it, but I would just like to get a little input you know have a little bit of connection and lose interest in having that always pop up and drag me down so I know there's not much more you can say and you've been great this has been a great session and thank you so much. Yeah, it's beautiful time it's you know it's I think the prayer of your heart is, I would say is say to the spirit, if I'm to have another job. And when I'm to have another job. Those are two big ifs ifs and whens. Then please make it obvious for me, just bring me the most helpful job for forgiveness if I'm to have another job and when.  And you know the way and I don't. And so, I remember one time I have a dear friend it was very, very bright. And she always had a resistance to education she never graduated from high school, and she always had a bit of feeling she wasn't that smart. And one time, she kept praying and praying for if she was supposed to have a job, please spirit give it to her, and she was told just go on this one interview, and it was with a school. And she was hired at a school to undo her unworthiness beliefs around education, and the spirit just gave her the job that was precisely designed for that undoing of that belief. And I've seen at times where things have gone that way in my life. And with with Francis and I we, we went through very much of a letting go of, of education of career of so many different things, only to say, what do you want from us now. You know, like, like Francis you used to say that Francis had a plan, a life plan that she would work hard at a career long enough to have a nest egg to in the end when she would retire to travel the world and go to many countries. And that was her plan. The only thing is the spirit flipped, flipped the plan. It wasn't her at 70 years old with her nest egg traveling the world as her formula had predicted. She ended up joining with me, letting go of career, letting go of houses, letting go husband, letting go of all kinds of things. And then suddenly found yourself what in your 40s, traveling the world and doing all the things that she wanted to do at the end of her life. And it came in a way that the spirit gave her. It was not her plan. It was actually the reverse of the plan. And I think sometimes it feels, you know, like if we, we do have to learn this lesson of patience as well, just to know that when we're so used to doing and self sustain, we want to sit back and be sustained by guidance and by the spirit. I just recently had a call with our friend Sima who used to be a medical doctor and she was calling me and saying I cannot help my son. His problem, whatever I cannot even be a good counselor, I don't know what I'm doing, helping my parents, but then she felt guided to get a vaccine one day. And then in the vaccine she was waiting in queue. And then as people are queuing up suddenly there was a panic in the crowd. And everybody started to have fear coming up. And then she just basically turned to Jesus, what am I here doing. And Jesus said, bring peace. This is your function right now. And she just spoke up. She said I'm a medical doctor. There's nothing to fear. And, and she said I actually really don't even care whether anything that the symbol whether it's good or bad but the fact is she was so happy she said because I suddenly felt Jesus was guiding me in those situations that seems to be and I fulfill my function in those things even if it is not my old career or I think I'm a coach now but I can't even help my own son. But still Jesus is saying yeah but you still have a function and the function would sustain you will fill you up. The guidance rise from that place. And for her for her it was very specific, you know very specific situation she turns. And I do feel that is a lot of the time this is how this journey unfold like we can't really put in a box. What is the guidance. Like it's unfolding every so, you know, often in a in a moment to moment basis, and we're here to tap into that function to extend peace and learn from that very action of extending, and then receive the guidance, then find ourselves being sustained miraculously in that. It's like a big learning curve. So, so yeah, so I joined with you Thomas this is a this is a big learning in this in this lifetime. So, yeah, what to be very patient. Yeah, and just the willingness to ask the questions you're asking to bring up these topics this is so beautiful. I remember last year during the pandemic I remember in the United States there was a lot of racial there was riots there was protest. There was a tumultuous year. Last year year and a half very tumultuous. And on one of our online retreats somebody said to us I'm up in the Pacific Northwest and I've been trying to get my family my wife and my kids to go and protest with me to this big protest. And then he looked right in the camera and he said wow, should I should I even be going to the protest and trying to get my wife and children to go with me and this protest, because he started to question the very idea of protest. Wow, he went from being an activist who was trying to recruit his his wife and children to humbly coming on screen and saying spirit. Is it even your guidance that I'm to go to this protest and when he did that the guidance was no.  I think of how humble he was to to offer that up. And I can really hear your question to because when we have concepts and responsibilities that that are tied into our worth. And we're not able to fulfill those responsibilities as we've constructed them in our mind. It feels pressed pressure.  It's like a thorn in the side. And the only thing we have to do is is like with the story with Sema and in line for the vaccine is to stay so present to say here I am Lord what would you have me do now. Where would you have me go you know we were used to operating in kind of boxes. You know we have family boxes and job boxes and career boxes and we kind of operate. We think that's who we are is operating inside those boxes when the spirit wants us to see from a much broader perspective and question even the things that we've been unwilling to question like this. This man who was trying to get his family to go to a protest and then question the very concept of protest and then surrendered into the answer stay put stay in your house with your family. That's not the outcome