The public can also live stream the meeting on our website and our YouTube channel. As always, the meeting is Cablecast live on Charter Communications Cable TV Channel 8 and is being recorded to be rebroadcast on the following Wednesday at 8 a.m. and on Saturday following the first rebroadcast at 1 p.m. on Charter Channel 71 and Comcast Channel 25. Thank you. Oh, and our technician this evening is Cedric. Thank you Mayor Story. Yeah, thank you Chloe and thank you Cedric for having me on the chair this evening. Before I do the road call, I just want to acknowledge that we have a new council member this evening, a council member Brown. So I just want to congratulate her on her ascended to the council with the council and other aspects of the line. So congratulations to get used to calling the council member Brown. So with that, let's have a road call. Yes. Council member Bertrand. I'm here. Council member Brooks. Here. Council member Brown. Vice Mayor Keiser. Here. Mayor Story. Here. Next we'll have the pleasure of leaving and I'm going to ask Council member Brown that she'll read it from the front. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Next follow-up. Do we have any additions? Do we have any changes to the agenda? And the next item I see that we have one presentation tonight, the introduction of the capital to be managed with the department staff member, I hope I said that correct. My apologies. And the recreation positions that I'm going to have to leave, but we have a presentation. Yes. Mayor Story, I'll introduce our new deputy city clerk. Louis comes to us with lots of relevant experience, most recently working for the city of San Jose in their clerk's department. He's been our deputy city clerk since December last year and we're all just thrilled to have him. And I believe he's here to just say a couple words. And I think some of you on council have met him in the office. So we wanted to formally introduce him this evening. Thank you. Welcome, Louis. He has the house. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. Thanks, Louis, for the introduction. And thank you for the opportunity to be introduced to you today for me. I have met some of you previously. That's not everybody. I've been working with the city now for the last seven months, like Louis said. I like the opportunity to work for the city. When I saw the job posting, I knew I had it. When I read the job posting, the job description, I knew I was confident I had the skill, the attitude, the qualities and the qualification. I needed to excel and I needed to get some kind of life and work balance and it has been a tremendous opportunity to work in this environment. And then I just wanted to thank you very much, Council, for having me around and I look forward to working with you. Yeah, thank you, Louis. And welcome to CEPSOLA and becoming a member of the CEPSOLA City staff. And we look forward to working with you and seeing you around City Hall. Yeah, so we have another staff member presentation. Yeah, good evening, Mayor, Story, Council members. It is my pleasure to introduce to you Jesse Leyva, who is a native of Medesco, California and holds a degree from CSU Stanislaus, San Jose University and Air Force State University. He received his commission as an officer in the United States Air Force and was stationed part-time at Los Macille Air Force Airfield. Jesse has served as a music conductor and teacher at public school as well as higher education. And additionally, he has served as a city of Santa Cruz as a male carrier. Jesse currently lives in Santa Cruz with his wife, Lori, and their dog, Diego. We, as well as he, is excited that he is joining the CEPSOLA staff as our new recreation coordinator that will oversee our classes program promotions as well as the community center and hope to enrich the lives of our community. So I would like to introduce Jesse Leyva to the council. Yeah, welcome, Jesse. Did you want to say a few words, yes, Mr. Mayor and thank you, Council members and Nikki for the introduction. I moved to the area about a year and a half ago and when I published our posting, I really was excited about it to get a chance to really become a part of the community and serve the community in CEPSOLA. My wife and I go to church every Sunday and that's awesome and then head down to CEPSOLA to spend our Sunday afternoons out there, whether it's dining in the area or recently taking surfing lessons. That's what we've gotten into as well. So we're just really excited to become a part of the community and serve the community of CEPSOLA. So I'm just really excited about being a part of the team that Nikki has put together. Yeah, great. Thank you, Jesse. And welcome to CEPSOLA and being a member of the CEPSOLA staff. It sounds like you have a broad range of skills and experiences and so I think we're lucky to have you both, you and Louis, as a part of our team and Jesse, I also want to thank you for your service and we look forward to working with you and seeing you around CEPSOLA. We'll all get there some days soon. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Nikki. Next, we'll have a report on closed sessions from our city attorney. Good evening, mayor and health members. We have a closed session on the item on the agenda and no report will actually be taken. Thank you. Chloe, do we have any additional material? We did not receive any for this meeting. Thank you. The next part of our agenda, your solo communication. This is an opportunity for members of the public to address the council on items that are not on the agenda. And if you would like to speak, you can raise your hand on Zoom or dial star nine if you want to phone in a moderator role. I'll leave you and you'll have three minutes to speak. You can also send an email to public comment at ci.sola.ca.us. And you can also leave that to us at the very minute. Larry, do we have our Q1 hand up? That's Mayor Story. We have Linda Smith. Yeah. Hi, Lisa. Hi, Sam. I apparently had too much coffee to fill up. I found a little restless. I apologize. But I want to thank you, Mayor Story and city council members and city manager for allowing me to comment on an item not on tonight's agenda, which is outdoor dining in Capitol Village. That indicated that an update and opportunity to extend our existing program will come before you on the April 28th agenda. And I look forward to that being a reality and hope to see an extension granted at least through the end of the summer. But what I'm here tonight to request is that in light of the prototype design schedule slip, I'm requesting that council provide some additional guidance to the prototype design effort. I was unable to attend, but was able to watch the YouTube video of the April 7th planning commission meeting that reviewed the draft prototype design for the street dining deck previously called Parklitz in Capitol Village. I was encouraged by the amount of effort and attention paid by staff and consultants in formulating a design that will complement the existing streetscape, assure consistency with the various venues, and be an easy and cost effective implementation for the restaurant owners. Unfortunately, I was discouraged by the specificity of materials and design at the detail level that were presented. It seems that the prototype design is targeted to contain a list of specific table chairs and even plants that applicants will have to select from most of the very modern style. Furnishings are part of a specific restaurant branding and image and using the prototype design is significantly incentivized through the permitting requirements established in the ordinance. Not using the prototype design may be cost and time prohibitive, so it needs to be right. Much effort seems to be being spent on the styling of furnishings and railing, while there are many sourcing and site-specific issues yet to be tackled. Although suggesting well-maintenance plants is helpful, I submit that the prototype design should not include a full venue of accessible tables, chairs, string lines, and specific umbrellas. Heaters and other accessories for implement weather were absent from the draft. These details will take time to address, and until a baseline is established for construction costs, which sites are actually going to participate cannot be confirmed. I ask that you encourage an approach that would identify dominant design elements that would set a high standard for the capital of design, such as planters and decking, but allow existing and or applicants selected furnishing, tables and chairs, podiums and service stations, possibly even railing, heaters, umbrellas, and other accessories for implement weather. To be used without violating the prototype design for permit and installation purposes, although the prohibited material could also be included, this would minimize expenses for the restaurant and accelerate installation of beautiful street dining decks in the village. If it is your will that a venue of specific furnishings be included in the prototype design, I ask you to consider directing the prototype design team to include a phase implementation approach, allowing staff approval of off-list furnishing, such as less modern design, without classifying the application as full custom and requiring planning commission review. As stated in December, conversion to the approved prototype design quickly is the goal. It is critical that the prototype design be acceptable and cost effective to the applicant. Therefore, limiting the scope of the specificity, establishing a phase implementation approach within the definition of the prototype design, and communicating cost expectations to potential applicants will bring beautiful street dining decks to Capitola faster. Thank you for considering my comments. I know you can't discuss this tonight, but I really thank you for listening. I truly believe this issue is critical to the recovery of Capitola Village's economic vitality. Thank you. Thank you, Linda, for your comment. Are there any other members of the public that wish to address the council this evening? There are some that are not speaking at 10 meetings, and I do not have any. Okay, well then, let's move on now to the staff and city council comments. I'll ask the staff to have any comments, and then I'll get to you, John. We have one comment this evening from Director Hurley. Good evening, Mayor Sory and Council. On the same subject, I wanted to update you on our outdoor dining ordinance. We're hoping to be on the April agenda for the Coastal Commission, and due to two outstanding items with the Coastal Commission that we're trying to work through at the staff level, we did not make it on the April agenda. We're continuing to work with our staff, and we'll be bringing you an update of your next meeting on April 28. So we'll have an update for you on April 28, and we're also monitoring outdoor dining in the village to bring you more data on the usage and look forward to that conversation then. Thank you. Thank you, Katie. John, I think you had your hand. Oh, before I move on, any other staff comments? That does it for us this evening. Okay, thank you, Jenny. So I'll go ahead to Councilmember Jocke and I end that first. Yes, I did, and I just like to call out to planning, and I was working on an issue dealing with a recent approval on prospects, and I'd like to complement planning and their response to various issues there and engagement with interested parties, and so I just like to point that out again. I think our staff and planning did a great job, and so when stuff like this, I'd like to mention it. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Brown. Thank you, Mayor Story. I have a couple of things I just wanted to update Council and our community members about. I was just recently appointed as my Mayor's Coalition and by the board members of Lascaux as their current Vice Chair. Also, I'm a member of the policy board for 3CE, and I wanted to let everyone know that they have a, we have just announced several incentive programs for e-bikes and a few, and for green cards, what are they called, rechargeable cards. There's a lot of funding out there that our community members can submit for through 3CE. In addition, I'm a jurisdictional member for the Youth Action Network. This is an organization that's our city of capital supports, and as a part of, it's also known as YAN, and they are currently working. I've just met with the police department on some concerns about our youth hanging out down in Capitola Village, and they're working in partnership with them on creative ways of engaging youth in being better community members. Also, I'm a member of the Children's Network, and we, I have just been appointed as their Chair, and we are working on an action-aware two-year strategic plan that we'll be presenting to the Board of Supervisors, and again, these are all jurisdictional appointments. And then lastly, our city manager didn't share out E yet, but that staff has submitted another request for an earmark to Panetta, Jimmy Panetta, Congressman Panetta, for funding for our work, and so fingers crossed that this year, we might see funding coming in for that again, so if you are out or we're attending any events and you see him, most certainly, say hello and encourage him to support our project at the Capitola Wharf. Thank you, Mayor Storre. Welcome, thank you, and congratulations on being the Vice-Chair of AMBAG and the Chair of the Children's Network. Not AMBAG, Lascaux. Oh, I'm sorry, Lascaux. That's Council Member Peterson. Thank you for that fraction and my apologies to Council Member Peterson. Thanks, Brown. So, seeing no other Council members with their hands up, I'm going to move the time to the consent agenda. The consent item will be handled with a single vote, unless the Council Member wishes to go on for further discussion. And if the Council Member wishes to pull the consent item to the agenda item, seeing none, is there a motion to approve? So moved. The motion by Council Member Brown has been signed. I can think of that. Yeah, that's a second by Vice-Mayor Taira on the name, I'll ask for a roll call. Council Member Bertrands. Council Member Brooks. Aye. Council Member Brown. Aye. Vice-Mayor Keiser. Aye. Mayor Storre. Aye. Thank you. Next, we'll move on to the general public hearing portion of our agenda. And the first item is A, which is a report on the Community Grants Program Review. The recommended action was just to receive the report and to provide direction. So, we have a staff report on this. Good evening, Mayor Storre, Council Members. Tonight, on this item, we'll be receiving a presentation on the second phase of the review of the Capitol Community Grants Program. Tonight, the presentation will be given by Nicole Young and Nicole Lennon. Allow them to move forward. Okay, thank you, Larry, and thank you Mayor Storre and Council Members. Great to see everyone this evening. I'm going to share my screen so you can see the whole thing goes fine. And so, again, I'm Nicole Young of optimal solutions consulting and I'm joined by my colleague Nicole Lennon of Cole Communications. And we work collaboratively on a number of projects for nonprofits and public agencies including the current phase of Capitol Community Grants Program or CGT Review. So, tonight we'd like to share with you some of the work that we've been doing. We were able to talk by several of you leading up to this evening's meeting, so hopefully some of us will sound familiar. But we also have some recommendations to share with you and see what you think of those. So, we bar, as Larry mentioned, basically continuing work that we started a couple years ago now. So, we're calling this phase two of the project that really is building on the prior review and report for the city that we completed in 2020, basically right before the pandemic. And in that report, we had proposed an array of options for including the Community Grants Program. So, again, we're based on a process where we interviewed several of you, looked at some, you know, data information about your current grantees, and then proposed ideas about how to move forward. And at that time the council agreed to take incremental steps to improve the Community Grants Program over the course of one to two years. And then COVID happened and everything got paused. So, now sure we are, we're ready to do some work and want to provide you with some updated options for improving and adapting the Community Grants funding process. And so, in this current phase, we have prepared what we call a capital opinion profile using city-level data from public sources. We reviewed and summarized some lessons of insight from a series of dialogues that we held with local and regional funder and community-based organizations. And that happened as part of the process of developing the floor-involvement request proposal that the County and City of Sanctors are in the midst of administering right now. And as many of you know, we interviewed almost all of you, the council members, to hear your reactions to the data in the community profile. We want to be able to understand how you thought about Community Grants and how that funding contributes to health and wellbeing in Capitola. And hear your current thinking about the ideal Community Grants process. Again, tonight we're going to share some insights from these activities, the flow of the draft set of writing principles, and recommendations that reflect the findings and feedback from both phase one and two of this process. We know that most of you reviewed the community profile that we prepared prior to our interviews with you. And if not, we hope that you've had a chance to review them more fully in the council meeting packet before today's meeting, since we won't have the time to review them in depth today. And the profile contains data that we were able to locate for the City of Capitola or the 95010 disc code. And then it's organized by the core conditions for health and wellbeing, which is a key element of the collective of results and evidence-based or core investments framework. And the concept of the core condition has provided some language that helps us build a shared understanding of what it takes to create equitable health and wellbeing for everyone in our County at all stages of life. And several local funders, service providers, collaborators and initiatives, are aligning their priorities and work with the core condition. And that includes the County and City of Santa Cruz, as Nicole just mentioned with the core RFP process, as well as first five Santa Cruz County strategic plan, and several United Way initiatives. In many ways, this concept of the core condition for health and wellbeing can be useful for planning, for funding, for program development and evaluation. So from reviewing the profile, you'll know that it includes some demographic data and a handful of data for each of those eight core conditions that you saw on the previous slide. On the last page of the profile, data sources are provided in case you want to see where the data came from or explore further. We just want to acknowledge that the limitations of the community profile includes the fact that not all the data that the Council or community may want to see are already available at the city or zip code level because some of the data are still only available county-wide. And this is often the case with this type of data. Some of the data have a timeline. They might be a couple years or more old, depending on how frequently they're collected by the original source for the data and how long it takes to clean and verify the data before it shows up on a source like DataShare, which we used extensively for this. So the data may not fully reflect the impact of something recent like COVID at this time, but we thought the major patterns and trends that you can see in the profile still seem relevant for this purpose, and we hope they'll be meaningful to all of you as a conversation starter within the Council and also perhaps form the basis for future updates as well. And although we don't have time to review specific data points today, we did want to share some of the comments and insights that we heard during the interviews with you so that you can react and hear those. In general, the Council members who were interviewed appreciated that the community profile was in place and being able to see the data organized in this way by the core conditions. And they felt it was helpful to see and know data in terms of comparisons to other cities or jurisdictions and the county-wide data as well. In some cases, the data affirmed what you all thought you knew, and in other cases they filled in some gaps or raised new questions. So we've heard comments such as, I didn't realize this before, for example, that 40% of older adults in Capitola have a disability, and that rate is higher than the county-wide percentage of 29%, or that the annual cost of infant and toddler care can sometimes exceed tuition at a UC campus. We also heard comments that the data were either lower than some of you might have expected, like the 34% of residents with a bachelor's degree or higher, which is the second lowest percentage in the county. Or statistics about median household income or the AARP livability score. And others, of course, were higher than expected, like the 28% of children and youth who live in families with incomes below the federal poverty level. That is the highest in the county. The Council members' key takeaways from the profile are probably best summarized by the quote you see here. Those who want to live here can't. Those who can afford to live here don't. The profile data also affirms how many of these indicators are related to one another or interconnected, like the court conditions. So, for example, employment and economic security are tied to access, affordability of healthcare, the stability and affordability of housing, physical and mental health. All of these can affect the ability to work, the feeling of connection to community and vice versa. And you also told us about some data that you wish were available or would have liked to have seen in a profile, such as more information about adolescent and young adult age groups, especially whether they plan to stay in Capitola and what might make some want to stay. Some civic engagement measures, particularly connections to local government, participation in volunteer activities and some social capital measures that we think of as elements of community connectedness. There was also interest in data about access to counseling and mental health services, especially in the wake of the stresses of the last two years. And then data that we just didn't have a chance to compile for this profile, but might still be available in more detail, like the nature of service calls to the Capitola Police Department or other data that are held by City Department. The effects of tourism on quality of life was another one that was mentioned, and the homeless census count, which actually will be available soon because a new report is pending release. And not all of the data are available at all, and some are not available by city or zip code level, so they're less useful for this purpose. But we hope that along with the data from City Department, and the universe of available data changes quickly, so in the future more of this may be available for a future profile or update of what you've seen so far. Now I want to share a comment with the most state land and relevant loss of the insights that came out of the dialogue with funders and community-based organizations or CDOs when the county and city of Atlantis were planning to support a reconstruction proposal. So when I facilitated those dialogues for the county and the city, and so during those discussions we got to hear from other funders that, so then we're also re-evaluating the funding processes, they're looking for ways to streamline and simplify their applications and reporting requirements, so basically you're not alone in this endeavor. And it became clear through these dialogues that simple does not always mean easy. There can be difficult operationalized complicity, especially for government agencies that need to ensure they have a fair, clear, transparent process for allocating public funds, whereas private funders like foundations often have more leeway to create their own rules and make changes. We also heard that other funders are finding this poor condition to be a useful framework for organizing their thinking and their strategic priorities, even if they're not fooling their funds with the county and city of Santa Cruz. And we heard this kind of message loud and clear from both funders and CDOs to embed equity throughout the funding process from beginning to end, so basically don't treat it as an optional add-on or an afterthought. And then interestingly, you know, we heard several of the CDOs talking about an acknowledging that they know that making funding decisions are hard. They don't envy the positions that Alexis or government staff are in, and they recognize that not everyone's going to be happy with the decisions. But a lot of them mention things that are helpful or that they appreciate from funders, things like clear and frequent communication about expectations and timelines, any changes that are anticipated. They appreciate when there are tools and technical assistance available that can help them understand what funders are asking for or expecting. And so there are tools now available for free or things that the quality offer on an ongoing basis through important to defend. So there's already kind of a library or a base of some of those tools and technical assistance that could be available for capital augmentation. CDOs also talk about appreciating it when they're only after information that will actually be used for funding decisions and reports. So kind of the idea of don't ask me a bunch of extraneous questions in the information. I'm just going to be not quite sure what you actually want. So just being really intent on thoughtful about what is the information you need, what are the questions you have to get that information and make your decision. And then the last point here, appreciation when the level of detail that's required in grant applications and expectations about reporting results are proportional to the amount of funds you're spending. So small grants that don't come with like 20 pages for an application or a reporting requirement. So depending on the proportion to the amount of funds being requested or granted. So those are some of the things from other funders and CDOs. Now moving on, some of the things that emerged when we did our interviews with all of you, the council members. Again, we appreciate you getting the chance to talk with you again. We have done interviews in the days one of the community programs with you, but again it felt like so much has happened and changed since then that it seems important to hear current perspectives. And we've heard a lot of valuable insights and suggestions that come around. And we've roots them into five high level themes. So the first one is data and results and really using a situational approach when you're trying to figure out what's the appropriate level of data and results to check it back. We've heard, as simple mentioned, all of you talked about, you know, just being appreciative of the community profile, some data helpful, you know, organized out of core conditions, the right of the useful framework for thinking about community strengths and needs and priorities. Some of you expressed interest in same updates periodically. And there was also general desire from all of you to understand what results will be or have been achieved with community grant funding. So that led to some good discussions about how much and what kind of data is reasonable to request an application report without adding unnecessary burden for either the CBOs or for city staff. And then that in turn led to a related discussion about the idea of output versus outcomes. Output being kind of units of service. Number of services provided, number of people served versus outcomes being those measurable changes or improvements as a result of the services provided. And here, you know, the general theme was that as we want a situational approach to staff, we heard often, you know, it depends on the situation. So for instance, small grants or certain types of services, you know, measuring outputs, the number of services, number of people seemed appropriate for a larger grant and or for programs to provide more complex services, address more complex issues. Outcomes actually are valuable because council members want to know whether community grant has contributed to some of those measurable improvements. The next theme is around high setting high level priorities. And I would say the number of current themes here was using a data-informed approach and also alignment. So there were some suggestions along the lines of not allowing much new grant funding with the city's budget goals and priorities, or other goals and priorities in other existing city plans and revenue streams, like the CDPG funding where the state is actually the list of the priorities, or things like the city's housing elements plan or climate action plan. Basically the theme of the question was, you know, why create a set of priorities and goals and outcomes when we already have a number of plans and goals that could provide some guidance? A related theme is around leveraging opportunities. And so all of you that we were able to talk with mentioned, you know, calling us to explore opportunities to leverage funding with other funding sources, with other initiatives. Even if it meant Capitola wouldn't have full control over the funds or wouldn't know exactly how many Capitola residents benefited. Again, the current theme was it depends on the situation. But all of you mentioned examples of how Capitola is already doing this with things like opioid settlement funds, contributing to the homeless action partnership, the kind of white homelessness response, and talk about how you understood that Capitola's contributions helped improve or helping to improve health and well being of the community at large, which includes Capitola. And that may not always be possible to explain exactly how many Capitola residents benefited, you know, given the dollars that you've contributed. Some of you did mention that using community grants to do more of that kind of leveraging, you know, would require more thorough planning, especially with other funders, co-funders, because it does often involve sharing or even giving out a sense of the control. So you want to make sure you have some good, solid agreements in place before you enter that kind of agreement. The last two themes have to do with the process. So there were a number of comments about, you know, wanting to ensure a consistent, stable process for community grants where the line item in the budget for community grants is seen as being as valuable and necessary as any other budget line item. So it's not a question that has to get revisited year after year of whether the community grants program is necessary or gives you the city funds. And it's not framed as a zero sum choice, meaning, you know, it's a sum of community grants that takes money away from something else. But instead frame it as a question such as how can Capitola contribute to more equitable health and well being for city residents through community grants as well as other resources, city resources. And lastly, there was recognition that agencies value community grant funding even if it's a small amount, meaning non-tropical together funding from multiple local state and federal sources. So Capitola's funding is an important piece of that puzzle. But we also heard from you as council members that General Deciders balance support for existing grantee that provide services that will likely always be needed because they have basic needs with opportunities for new applicants, new programs, new projects that are innovating. So the main message that we heard was, you know, we don't want to de-stabilize on profits, but we also don't want to maintain that flow just for the sake of history. And in fact, some of you talked about the importance of reevaluating community grants, you know, as a process and community some priorities periodically because changes in the process and funding is such a fact that we need it for the benefit of the community. So based on everything that you've heard, the community profile, the insights and useful lessons from other funders and community-based organizations, the themes from the council member interviews, we compiled these suggestions for draft guiding principles to help you identify priorities and make decisions about community grant funding. These principles could offer some of the consistency that Nicole referred to just now across grant cycles while still leaving some room for change and flexibility. And they all reflect some type of balancing act. So balancing unmet needs with existing needs, aligning with some of the other plans and processes Nicole just described, while also being able to address emerging issues that we don't know yet, focusing on capital residents while also recognizing that those geographic boundaries are fluids for individuals and families, and all the other features that are implicit in being stewards of these silence while also trying not to excessively burden grantees or information requests or staff with reviewing and evaluating information that you do collect from grantees. So here are our recommendations. We have five of them for you to consider which are again based on all the findings and feedback from both phases of this review. So I'll briefly just describe each one and then we have a few examples of what that could look like and then after I review these we'll open up for any questions. Our first recommendation is to identify three or four priority areas of funds that are informed and that collection is informed by data about overall needs and specific populations much like the data in the community profile and it's aligned with again city goals and commitments and organized by the preconditions for health and well-being. The next recommendation is to allocate an equal percentage of community grants funding across those three to four census priorities, so for example 25% of each priority area if you were to select four priorities. And we recommend doing that unless or until a more thorough prioritization process that has ample opportunities for community engagement can occur. And the next recommendation is to consider awarding multi-year grants that align with other local funding cycles. So the multi-year increases stability and predictability for the CDOs. It enhances you know by aligning with other local funding cycles and has the potential for leveraging and collaborating with other funders. And overall it just reduces the workload for both grantees and staff doing it on a less frequent cycle. The next recommendation is to consider using guide star profiles and the candid fields of transparency as your community grants application book, the client a bit more in a moment but if you're not familiar with guide star it's an online searchable nationwide directory is non-profit that other funders and donors often use when they're looking for information on a non-profit mission, the programs, their people, their leadership and financial health. So any non-profit can create a profile for free and the more information they provide the higher the field of transparency they can earn. It's kind of like a better business bureau for nonprofits. So you can always supplement the guide star profiles with additional capital or specific questions to help you make decisions about community grants. But again this strategy would provide the information you need to make informed funding decisions while significantly reducing the workload for both TVOs and city staff because they're using accepting information that non-profits can have already. And then our last recommendation is to sell us two to three types of community grants with varying award amounts and expectations that are proportional to the amount of funding you want to. I'll share a few examples of what some of these recommendations look like starting with the priorities and alignment. So in this example we're showing four priority areas using the core condition names health and wellness, life on learning, education, community connectedness and stable and affordable housing and shelter. And under those we've named some areas of community needs that we heard council members identify during the interviews and so their thoughts, their feedback, their statements you know were partly informed by the data in the community profile as well as other data they were aware of and their interactions with community numbers. And then with the limited knowledge we have we included some examples of how this area of community needs might align with the city's budget principles, other plans, existing efforts or other city investments. And so we know this is incomplete analysis and we're not the person that these should be the four priority areas.  In this example here about the fields of transparency we wanted to show you the types of information that nonprofits can provide in their guide start profiles and show you how the more information is provided the higher the field of transparency that can be earned. And basically if you see it's a first level bron, the minimum amount of information that the nonprofit needs to provide to get a bron steal is based on agency overview. Contact information, initial statement, the subject or topic areas they cover, target populations they serve and information about their agency leaders. So pretty standard information and pretty basic, pretty minimal. And to earn a silver steal an organization would have to provide everything in the bron level and provide more information about their programs, the program names and descriptions, the geographic areas that they serve and then each kind of level you go up you have to provide everything in the previous level plus more. And if you were to look on guide start you might see some organizations that actually have a bron steal but you still see things like their financials or information about their board and you might wonder why don't they have a global steal and it's because they say there's something at the silver level that they have not provided or decided to include. So we have a number of nonprofits in Santa Cruz County that already have a steal. There are awesome red looks, 31 nonprofits with a bron steal, 41 have a silver, 20 have a gold and 23 nonprofits have a platinum steal. And there are a number of nonprofits that don't have a steal yet but they could. And some nonprofits don't have a guide start file at all but again they could and there's a lot of TA technical assistance available through Kansas basically like the arm of guide start that handles all the steal and transparency. And there are times when we offer some of that kind of learning and technical support as part of the court institute to help nonprofits fill out their profiles because it could be beneficial to them outside of any specific grant process. And so what this tells us is that many nonprofits including some that you currently fund already may already have proposed a potentially review purpose on a shared community grant application. And then here's our last example that we wanted to share in terms of ways to think about types of community grants. So in all of the interviews you can be recognized as part of the challenge of the community grant program is that there isn't a one-size-to-all approach that will work for all situations. And so our recommendation here is that nonprofits should be types of grant to address that syndrome. And so for the purposes of this example we call these three types of grants operational, outcome, and impact grants. And we describe a few characteristics such as grant size or amount of awards, the number of awards you grant, the purposes of the grant, and the application and data or reporting expectations that would then distinguish one type of grant from another. And the overall concept is that the grant expectations would be scaled to reflect the grant size or amount. So you can see that different ranges of grant sizes or awards correspond with each type of grant. So we've included some sample ranges here. You might expect a different minimum and maximum dollar amount so don't get it seen on the actual number of seats in there. The actual number of awards granted would depend on the amount you have allocated for community grants, but one way to think of it in this type of model is you might award more of the small operational grants, fewer of the medium outcomes grants, and more of the least of the larger impactions. And then each type of grant might serve a different purpose. So small grants support general operating costs, outcomes grants support documentation, and lower evaluation of programs to directly benefit capital residents, and impact grants would be a way for capital to co-fund or contribute to broader initiatives that may directly or indirectly benefit capital residents. And so being clear about the purpose of each grant will help you set the appropriate expectations about the level of detail required in applications and reports. So for instance, it would make sense to require less detail in both the applications and reports to small grants, and more details for larger grants. Although you'll see that for the impact grant, if you're co-funding or contributing to a broader initiative that another local funder maybe is administering, we're actually suggesting that you accept details of those private reports that are precarious and submitted to that other funder. And if the work is already being done, it lowers the burden for everyone as well. And so you can see we've also suggested, you know, maybe there's a particular field of transparency, right, that you might want to think about in terms of the amount of information that's already provided. Invite Star that you could then use with your application. And so that is actually the end of our presentation. And so we'll pause here to see if there are any questions for us. Yeah, thank you, Nicole. And Nicole, I'll count the members that question. Chloe, you had a question? Oh, no, I'm so sorry. I think that was an accident. I apologize. Oh, okay. Council Member Brook. Thank you, Mayor Story. Nicole, how are you notifying the local nonprofits to use that GuideStar platform since this is kind of a model you're suggesting we implement? Well, GuideStar is its own, what that makes it a lot of their own kind of marketing and promotion. If Capitol decided to use GuideStar in that way, where it would be function of your grant application, we would use resources that we have like our core investment email list that we use to send announcements about different events and training with the technical assistance opportunities. We would help make that known. It's free. It's available. It's easy. It's probably what you already have from all your other grant proposals that you've prepared. It's a matter of like putting it in that website so that you can get your fuel. And is it part of the, I'm just trying to think of like best practice, right? Would we say to our local or our current list of nonprofits, this is a way we're going to be distributing the funds. I'm just trying to think of how to get our nonprofits on board with that. Or like if it goes away, what happens if that organization doesn't exist or that platform doesn't exist anymore. I'm just trying to think of how to build in something that we're not familiar with, which I'm sure. I think that in terms of getting nonprofits on board and aware, I think, you know, if and when the council decides, okay, yeah, let's do this, that makes sense that, you know, it's making use of information that nonprofits are likely already have, you might need, you know, to plan for at least, you know, maybe a couple months of like making sure that nonprofits know this is your plan, yours, why, and really explain the benefits, right, that it's meant to get things easier, more streamlined for them as well as you as the funder. The top from itself, I mean, guys are, let me knock my head along, put it around, but it's probably been around longer than, I don't know if it's quite that old, but it's a long-standing stable platform. The SEALs, I think is maybe a relatively newer piece of the guide star platform, but even if that went away for some reason, you could still look at what information is selected in the profile and its organization. I've created a profile before with all that information in there. You could still find ways to do purpose that or use it as your standard grant application. Okay, I appreciate that, yeah, especially because we're trying to look at an equitable solution here, and so a guide star is a piece that would not allow for that, right, if an agency has been around and doesn't know about it for a long time and doesn't have a platinum, I wouldn't want to see them left out because they didn't use that platform. So I think that would be a discussion for council to have, but you have answered my question, thank you. Yeah, thank you, Mary. So Nicole, and Nicole was just presented the last name of a month, I'm sorry. So in the platinum, there's an issue of, you know, sharing a broader goal than just capitol, I think. I forget the words that were used in them, so that necessarily brings up to me, you know, what's the process here, you know, so potentially we'd have to work with other cities and parts of the community in Santa Cruz in general for trying to share a broader goal and try to identify that. So do you have any suggestions or how has that been approached? You know, we're not in a vacuum, but we definitely have to reach out to others, so I was just wondering if you could address that with some of the experiences you've had, perhaps, or maybe in the future we could talk about how to do that, so that's sort of my general question. Yeah, you talked about the intact grant, kind of the largest pride where you might hope to find or contribute to something broader. Exactly. Yeah, I appreciate, you know, there's a lot more chance to leverage, you know, combine efforts to fund, you know, but necessarily it would have to be something that has impact not just capitol, the broader community, but we also feel the need, you know, in general in this community to address that. So we don't necessarily work with other groups, you know, in this regard, so I was just wondering what your thoughts are. Probably a few different ways, at least a few different ways to approach it. There are, you know, the one approach to be looking first to see, you know, after you've decided what your three or four priority areas are, then looking around those whole community and local funders to see, are there already some existing kind of broader initiatives like that that line up with the priorities that capitol has selected, that you might guess that where you would be saying, oh, we want to be contributing to this larger effort, because we believe it benefits the capitol community. Here's our portion of that, and it might be that you grant that directly to an agency that is delivering that program or service or part of that initiative, or it could be, for instance, the core investment funding processes, you know, that we'll see you figure out right now. So that actually is the model that the County and City of Sanctuary uses, where they are going to co-fund their targeted impact grant, that's a pretty substantial amount, and the City of Sanctuary has a similar decision point. Like, how much do they need to know? Like, their dollars are going specifically to Sanctuary's residents, right? But really they're saying if we invest in something bigger to really get to that kind of where you're seeing change at a community level, 10,000 at a time, 20,000 at a time, like that's what I'm going to do, right? It really needs to be more of a collective collaborative funding effort. So you could look to, you know, are there existing efforts where you could, you know, is it provided grant that contributes to that? There might be something new that emerges, whether it's, I'm not saying this would be it, that like kind of like how the opioid settlement dollars become available, and it became clear that, oh, instead of capital, it's trying to build the capacity to figure out how to administer those services and administer those grants. It's like, we're partnering with the County to kind of leave that work. Um, well, do you have any other thoughts that come to mind in the sense of like how represents the large, the impact grant? Yeah, just, just that, just adding to what Nicole Young said that, you know, this has been grappled with recently. It's not completely simple and straightforward, but it is possible. And it requires, you know, setting aside some of the emphasis on a particular, um, tie between the funding and a result and looking at this broader view of the County and Health and Well-being County-wide. But also just to the earlier point, um, that Councilmember Brooks raised these kinds of streamlining of information for multiple purposes, so whether it's for the smaller types of grants or these larger ones that we've just been discussing, part of the benefit accrues to the applicants because they're only providing information once instead of over and over with slightly different formats, but it also accrues to those of you reviewing the, um, the applications and the aspirations of, of grantee because, um, so much effort goes into those because, you know, whether they're large, medium, small, so much effort goes into those, um, descriptions and to compiling information. And so at, at all of these, um, sizes of, of requests, there's really an opportunity to, um, to use the effort, um, in multiple ways and, and to, um, to not have to just keep recreating that for both staff and applicants. So that's part of the reason that, that we were drawn to the, um, the guide star kind of model or, or repurposing other, uh, other applications. If I could have a follow-up there. Thank you very much.  And that seems to me is something that in this community and I think members of our board have addressed this in the past is a very needed aspect. We need to have adequate child care. Parents are going to be able to pursue the careers and also added child care. It's very beneficial for a jumping wife at an early age especially. So, so we have an identified need. Would, would it perhaps the way to answer my question is, you know, we feel this has been identified and then reach out to other communities here like Santa Cruz County or South Valley and say, you know, just have an effort just amongst ourselves to say, okay, this is something we've identified. And is it something you'd like to join with us in terms of funding together, to stay working with Cabrillo so that one of the programs that start producing qualified child care personnel, et cetera. So, you know, it's that reaching out that gets me and, you know, maybe the core process does that, but, you know, it may be confined to just, you know, in a way that may not be as, um, available to everyone. That's all. Yeah, it's just, if I'm, if I'm following you, if I'm understanding, yes, yes, reaching out, like if you know that, if you've identified a need and have ideas about where, how to award us, you know, a large impact grant and you have ideas about partners and what their role might be, yes, you can certainly go to about reaching out and initiating something and that can often take a lot of work of us here if you're kind of building those partnerships and that, you know, approach or the program or whatever it is, you know, from scratch. It's kind of a matter of how much capacity you have, right, or how much time or interest you all have, you know, among your staff and like yourself to do that kind of reaching out and building versus finding something where there may be a structure or an initiative or something in place that you've been contributing to something that's already in the works. Thank you. Are there other questions from Council members on the report? Seeing none, I think I'm going to take this opportunity to just check in with the members of the public with Larry and you. Larry, I don't see the attendee. So, if you confirm that we haven't received any phone calls or emails, I'm just going to hang in there. Mayor, sorry, Jeff, you're right. I don't seem to see an attendee on the side of and it doesn't look like we've received any emails. Okay, thank you. So, I'll bring it back to Council and just to, you know, the recommended action is to receive the report and provide direction. Are there maybe some feedback or direction in the following calls on the program so far? Yeah, nothing in the round. Thank you. That was an incredibly informative presentation. Thank you so much for all the work that you put into this. And there was a lot of information there. It was really informative, but really also information dense. And I have a hard time thinking that I could process all of our priorities to see all the transparency, the guide star program, you know, all of that within this one meeting. And so I'm wondering if there's an opportunity and maybe this is something that staff can help me work through for this presentation that you just provided to us to be sent to each of the Council members for us to kind of break down individually, because I think that we're all going to have our own thoughts on what our priorities should be, whether or not this field of transparency guide star program should be included, et cetera. And so my thought is if others on the Council would agree that we could have this presentation sent to us, we need to consider our thoughts on it and then perhaps this could be brought back to us maybe in May so that we could have a more informed discussion about it. And I don't mean informed in the sense that we didn't get a lot of information just now, because we absolutely did. I just personally need a little bit more kind of digest this kind of information and consider what I feel would be the best way forward. And so that's my thought about this item. And again, thank you so much to both of the City Coles. I had interviews with you and staying in the presentation of what you heard from other Council members, bringing that in from what you heard from community organizations, from what you heard from, or what you saw in the kind of demographics and the information about our city. It's all incredibly informative and it's almost overwhelming how informative it is, which is the only reason that I ask that perhaps we can have this information to think about personally and then come back. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Brooke. Thank you Mayor Story. And thank you to the Nicole. You know, I love staff and I love all of this sort of stuff and I just thrilled to have it before us. It's really been a challenge for myself and what I've seen from our Council members in the last several years of trying to get to this point of having the data and being able to set these priorities. This is something that Council Member Brown and I have been tasked with without all of this data and information as subcommittee members. I'm almost thinking and maybe this is, you know, if Council would oblige is that and Council Member Brown, just an idea about you and I going back to the table with this information and really organizing it, looking at the data that was presented to us today, setting, picking those priorities very similar to what we did with the CDBG grants and presenting that information to Council. So in all steps that workload, I'd be willing to take that on in, in again, using the data, not like we have to make it up, we're not, we're using what the tools we now have allocating those percentages as suggested in the recommendation and then bringing back that back to Council. So if Council Member Brown nods in agreement and then the Council is okay with it, maybe that's a way in terms of moving forward. So those are just my thoughts and again, thank you to everyone and that information was not so, it's shocking, but not so shocking, right? It's what we've all been thinking really was occurring in our community. With Council Member Brown nodding yet? Of course. If there's, if I'm able to be on a committee with Council Member Brooks to kind of look at this information and bring back recommendation to the Council while we're all considering these recommendations from the Nicole, I'd be happy to take that. Thank you. Maybe before we go to the last and the creative committee, let me go to Council Member Pratt. Yeah, you know, my question to Nicole before we went to your comments was, you know, basically focused on, you know, what's the possibilities of implementation and, you know, I was prepared for this second phase of our discussion when I thought that we shouldn't tear up in Drusa 2, sort of like what that is talking about, not necessarily committees, but that we use those Drusa 2s. I've worked with the Vice Mayor, of course, and as I was just pointing out, there was a further effort with Kristin and Nicole, you bet. So the basic thing here to me is understanding clearly what the information is. And, you know, I agree that the information, as Kristin mentioned, there's a lot here and it's reflected on how much work was put in to prepare the report, which, you know, I fully respect that effort. And it's also up to us to actually understand clearly what's the depth of that information so that we can actually come to some sort of way to implement this. That's sort of, to me, the goal, the end goal. So, you know, I think we should tear up and I think in that adequate amount of time and come back to the board and not to be stand stranded because it is a board of five, I think that in terms of implementation of them working with the city manager would be very critical because there's a whole aspect of, you know, how that would work with our budget. There's an idea of buying items, etc. So, you know, there's some functionality issues there that might be very important. And a lot of those organizations can very much involve the nonprofit community for many, many years and community bridges. So, you know, maybe kids with America actually help us in regards to how we implement some of the things that are being suggested to moving forward. So, those are my ideas, not necessarily a committee, but that we individually focus together as a group and various ways so that we can come to some ideas how we're going to implement it. Thank you, Council Member Goodfram. Would there be any other comments from Council Members? Seeing none, I guess I wanted to maybe just reflect on the recommendation that we're going to be standing for and maybe talk a little bit about the entire community structure. If that comes as well to go in that direction, I think the recommendation on overall support of all, I did have some questions about how those done and at this stage kind of unsure how they would work in the relationship to our community grant program. And obviously, it's one, the one that I have lived with for many years and familiar with. And but just to speak to one, the first recommendation was about organizing with the around the core conditions for helping well-being. And I wasn't quite sure. I mean, I see the eight core conditions, but they seem pretty broad. And I'm not sure about what is underlying within each one of those conditions. And in such a way that it's kind of kind of in to eliminate somebody that we may want to support in the future. I mean, just for example, when I'm thinking about the disability community, I'm not quite sure where that fits within one of those conditions that helping well-being. I'm sure it does. And if there's somewhere, but I guess I would want to have you come back and show us in more detail in thinking in relationship to our past experience with community programs. And with that, where would this one fit? Does it fit in to those core conditions? And, you know, my interest is being as flexible and broad as possible for the council. And I'm going to come to that in the patient. The second recommendation concerning allocating equal percentage of the community that's been done across the priority area. That's just, I mean, that seems to me may end up being kind of arbitrary and not giving necessarily a demographic party. We've already identified that we have, you know, the greatest percentage of seniors in the country over the age of 65. And, you know, and according to the census data, the fastest growing population are those 80 and over. So, and also realizing that we have the highest percentage of children that are living in poverty. It seems to me that we would want to not just kind of equalize the community grants, but be able to devise them in a way that, you know, matches the demographic or in another way, the favor for me, you know, the recommendations are mostly near grant. I think it's a great one. And otherwise trying to increase the ability in leveraging, I think there's an excellent criteria using guide star. I'm not familiar with changing fields of transparency. I'm familiar with guide star and using that as a template for the community program. And I think some would facilitate, you know, I'm just reducing some of the view on this in the process. And the last recommendation is considering establishing two or three types of community grants. And, you know, I'm mostly familiar and experienced with direct service grant. We're kind of, you know, we expect units of services to be delivered to capital residents and we want to hear what those work. And I'm just, I'm a little, I'm scared about how impact grants or outcome grants would, how they would work. I would like them to learn more about those if those are going to be a component of what we are going to fund using the community grant program. I know we have other funding, but it's the opioid funding, you know, the, you know, the half funding, which is separate from community programs that restricted the payment. And in a sense, those are many impact funding grants. And it's a really high tier of community grant budget. And I just don't know, and I would want to learn more about how impact grants would be utilized for that pool of funding. And I'm not quite sure we, in my staff, have the expertise and time to basically assess and monitor and evaluate whether an impact grant has been accepted. So, I guess those are my reactions to the recommendations concerning now, you know, the committee, I think that they would be very helpful for some member groups and some member boundaries who were originally part of the phase one to come back and kind of overlay these recommendations with them and come to some concrete recommendations of how these are going to come in the next phase of our community grant transition. And, John, I think it would, having multiple sets of recommendations come back to us, and that just seems overwhelmingly and it could just kind of diverge us all into, you know, different directions, which may be hard to reconcile. And realizing that any two council members can get together and talk about this item in any event. And I think some of us would, but my preference wouldn't be to allow council member Brown and council member Rush to be the formal committee. And they could report back to us and, of course, we are going to be able to respond. It doesn't have to be that. So just my thought on that question, I see a council member Brown exerting a call on good. Thank you, Mayor Story. I am. I agree with your, your thought in the idea that regardless of any committee structure, all council members are not all council members, but other council members are free to discuss with each other within the confines of the Brown Act. And I think that it would be a great opportunity come May for us, each regardless of the of a committee with council member Brooks and myself for all of us to take the time to consider this information that's been brought to us, how we would feel would be the best way to move forward. And then if council member Brooks and I could come up with a recommendation, then each council member that has also considered this information could give their feedback then on whether or not they agree with whatever recommendation we might we might come up with. Okay. With that, I think it may be appropriate for us to just, you know, maybe a vote on the committee to work with the following all on the next phase of this effort. So if there's, if there's any questions, do you want to summary? Definitely. I will move that as long as council member Brown and Brooks are on board with that. Thank you. Yes, as they are. And is there a second? Second? Yeah. I'm going to accept council member for trans second. Thank you on that. And also, well, I don't think we need to move the report at this time. And but the Chloe, I'll ask for a real couple of council member for trans council member Brooks council member Brown vice mayor Kaiser mayor story. Hi, the motion passes unanimously and it was recorded to please thank you, Nicole and Nicole. And I hope you've got the necessary direction from us. And we look forward to having you come back and, you know, add a main meeting to give us maybe not the conclusion at that point, but the next update on the next day. And thank you for helping us tackle this. As you said, we realize that. And I think if we all work together, we'll get through it and come out with this policy. So thank you so much. And with that, I'm going to take us on to the next item on that agenda, which is item 90, which is to consider a community survey contract and the recommended action to authorize the city manager to enter into a contract with Jean Gretzman and associate in an amount not to exceed $17,000 per community survey. Do you have a public interest on potential balance for the November election? Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm expected to share my screen. How does that look, Mr. Moderator? That's good. Thank you very much. All right, good evening, everybody. So during this year's goal setting session, the council identified a goal to evaluate possible ballot measures in anticipation of the November 22 general launch. Since that time, staff has been with the Finance Advisory Committee to discuss potential tax measures to consider polling. Based on the facts reviewed, they recommended polling a second home tax. I'll have more details about that a little bit later on in this presentation. The value of community polling. For those of you who've been on the council for a while, you've probably heard me make these statements before, but I really do have, I think it's always wise to poll before putting something on the ballot. It helps inform the decision about whether measures should be placed on the ballot or not. Helps identify priorities. For example, whether funding should be devoted towards parks or streets or the beaches or what, the polling helps give you sort of a guide to a statistically relevant way about what voters might think. And then lastly, it really can help avoid putting measures that are unlikely to pass on the ballot. I think having measures stale is a bad outcome for the city. You know, I've heard people in the past argue that it's a relatively low-cost thing to do, but nevertheless, I think the legacy of seeing things not pass suggests to everybody that the city isn't in the line with its community. So the proposed contract is for $17,000. She has conducted a number of recent surveys for the city up here. The survey, we hope, would likely include between 175 and 200 total voters. Mr. Bregman is on the call and he can talk more about the challenges of getting those number of voters, which in the past has been a challenge, although I recall last time around when we were polling around the pandemic during the shutdown, it was really easy to get people's answers or felt then because they were looking for something to do, which was a different experience. So some items that council may want to consider polling. One is the second home tax. This is something that I learned from a member of McCran brought up a while ago. It's a relatively new idea in California. It's been really only implemented as far as I can tell in the city of Oakland. I think there was a lot of questions about its legality at the time, but it is a legitimate legal challenge and it really does appear to be a legal tax. The Oakland example applies to homes that are occupied for less than 50 days in a year. The tax is an annual $3,000 to $7,000, depending on whether it's a single family home or a unit in the multi-unit department. There are exemptions for low-income residents or houses that are in active construction or things like that. According to the most recent census, there's 410 units in capital that are identified as seasonal by recreational or occasional use. Another of the 100 units are classified as other vacants. I don't think all of the other vacants would likely be subject to the tax. There's a site that there are units in there that are going through probates that are in construction that would probably be exempt from the tax, although obviously we know what the tax would look like. We haven't written the ordinance yet. But that gives you a feeling for the number of units that we're talking about. The rationale behind this tax is pretty clear. The notion that homes that are being used as second homes often are largely sitting vacant and are unavailable is part of the overall housing stock. This is a way to disincentivize second home ownership. San Francisco, according to the media report, is considering such a tax coming up here in this next election cycle. In the city of Santa Cruz, there's a community group that I understand is pushing to get this tax on the ballot as well. The fact is we recommend this as an item to consider polling. That's sort of a summary of the second home tax. Sales taxes. The city has the ability to put on extra sales taxes. They're called district taxes. They often come in quarter percent increments, but they don't have to. They can come in a half, you can have a half set local district tax. Each quarter cent generates about a million dollars a year. One of the challenges behind the sales tax, particularly the district taxes, is that over time they have not been keeping up with inflation. They've been just about a million dollars for the last decade. The challenge behind that is if it's an ongoing revenue source, basically their buying power just goes down a little bit over time. That's one of the hardest things for local governments to deal with. We can respond to a major recession where we have to cut back, but each year you're sort of cutting to gently tighten the belt. It gets harder and harder over time. I do think that these district taxes can be a particularly useful tool the way we're utilizing it now with the work, where it's over a fixed period of time and it's for a specific project. So if there's a specific project or if the council wanted to target funding, I think that the limited term sales tax could be worth considering and could be worth pulling and getting a little bit of feedback staff to pull different sort of voter receptions to dedicating all the funding to roads, dedicating it to reclamation, dedicating it to public safety. We can come up with what different items to consider pulling. Utility user tax. We called it two years ago. We had pretty significant conversations about that. In fact, we did pull it. The utility user tax, everybody pays on their utility bill and you can levy the tax on water bills, sewer bills, home bills. The challenge is that as opposed to the second home tax and the sales tax, it only pays by capital of residence. And in addition, you may remember that the poor results in 2020 suggested it was going to be very hard to get that passed. And my recommendation is I don't think the economic climate has grown more favorable for something like this to pass. So I don't think that it's very likely that we would, if this is worth pulling because I don't think it's very likely. And then of course, there's other options. We've most recently adjusted our TOT, but council has a discretion to pull a TOT change. And then there are obviously other kinds of taxes we can discuss further. So the process would be if we authorize this contract tonight, the goal is to bring back the results of the first June meeting. And then in June and July, we would put together an item if we determined we want something, put together an item to go on to the ballot. And our final date to take action on that is August 12th. But you'll remember we don't have a scheduled meeting the first week in August. So we would need to get it done by July or schedule a special meeting. So with that, the recommendation is to enter into the contract with Team Bregman and the associates and an announcement to exceed $17,000 for polling and to approve the proposed resolution amending the current year budget. And then provide direction to staff about items to consider including the poll. I will note that Team Bregman is on the call and available to answer any questions, should council members want to speak with them directly. With that, I'm available for questions. Thank you, Jimmy. Are there questions from council members? Yeah, I had some of them, but we're trying. Go ahead. You're on mute. I've been seen as available right now. So we're in an inflationary period right now. And I was just wondering if you would comment on that and, you know, us considering extra taxes. I completely understand what our city manager is talking about. You know, we're getting a little bit squeezed as inflation increases our sense of hope. He needs the more revenue. So that's the reality here. And with those two concepts and why I understand you've raised questions and partially is to help the public understand, you know, where we are. And, you know, we're just not asking for taxes for the purpose of getting more money just flat because we have challenges. So I was just wondering if you could try to address those two, maybe counter issues, inflationary issues, and, you know, the rising need of city government incentives, which is pretty obvious. Sure. So I do think that the inflationary issue certainly would make the EUT even harder to pass. And I suspect could play a role in the sale tax. I do think that the second home tax may have a different reception. Second home tax is on people that live in Capitola, you know, people that are occupying homes, well, taking home guide of our inventory, if you will. So I do suspect that that may have a slightly different reception, but it is a new concept. And so the question of voter understanding of how that would work is certainly an open question. I think that now we take a little bit more explanation during the course of the service with the law we're talking about. You know, as far as, you know, the effects of inflation, it's going to make anything a little more difficult to pass, but things still pass. And they do it in all kinds of economic situations, good, bad, or different. And we just see what's to keep. I mean, the Capitola residents have generally been pretty open to take their city on city needs. And so we measure that and we compare that to previous results and how much need they think that city has some more money in what areas they want to see the money, if there is more money where it should go, and then try to see if any of these possible tax measures are palatable to the voters that need to be. Now, the one thing that has sales tax measures has been 50% plus one, I think, have changed. So there is a danger if you want to make a sales tax measure or any measure that's specifically for one and only one purpose, that will then require a two-thirds election, which will make it much more difficult, rather than a general tax that goes to the general fund. But that's the kind of stuff that we find out in the poll. Yeah, Mr. Berryman, what about a fake-up home tax, the one that was not dedicated by me? You know, I'm not that familiar with that tax, but I assume that it would be, that's just the general tax when the money goes to the general fund. Yeah, it would be. The two minutes about the vote required for a tax is not what type of tax it is, it's real money. So if the money that goes into the general fund is the general tax, so it's a simple majority. If the money is designated, it's a special tax, so that requires two-thirds. It's maybe getting into the weeds, but if the city did decide that it wanted to do a tax measure, it could do it as a general tax, so it would only require a simple majority. And then you could also put on the ballot an advisory measure that would decide the spending on how to spend the fund. And thank you for that response. And also, Mr. Berryman, I think a lot of residents by coming over to fake-up home tax is an admission you would have to provide some description in the survey. Would you also include scenarios of how that tax would be enforced? If we answer my VF. So first off, a couple of things. I've done a little bit of research into this, Mr. Mayor. And number one is I think we're going to be, I think the way that's described it is the second home tax. I think the vacant home tax is confusing for people. Secondarily, I have done a little bit of research into feasibility of certain different mechanisms to enforce this, because I think the enforcement, for me at least, was my number one question. It didn't seem like a feasible tax to enforce. And according to our initial research, we do take the utility records could be used to enforce, which I think that would actually give a mechanism, incredible mechanism, about how you'd be doing this other than just on the honor system. Thank you for that. That's the name of the group. Thank you, Mayor Storey. This was a question for Jamie.  And when we're looking at, we know we're just under the spending or with our increased cost to retirement and all we know kind of some of those things. But I'm wondering if you looked at the TOT and I understand that it is a different type of vote, but we were successful in the last one. And that if we did an X amount of percent, would we get to, would it be enough compared, comparing it to, say, the second home tax? I'm just wondering, like, if they would, you know, one of them you get $5 million a year out of it, and then one you get $500. I'm just wondering which one's more effective for what we're trying to accomplish here in taxation. So, the simple answer is that the second home tax, if there's really 400 units, and you use the Oakland $8,000 per year, $8,000 cents for, I think that's $3 million. 1% of TOT is about $200,000. So, they are sort of different orders of magnitude, so yes, the TOT, 1% TOT is about $200,000. The Oakland second home tax would be significantly more. Obviously, council would have to set what the tax rate is, when we would pull the tax rates and see if that impacts home. And did you look at, in terms of the second home, then you just got some staggering data from the polls on who our residents are, and, you know, these are residents who are local residents with second homes, and they're seniors on big incomes, or, you know, I'm just trying to think of, like, the effects, really, on this type of taxation. Will we get that information? Should we approve going out for this? You know, would we get that kind of data before going out? So, the first thing, the action tonight would be to just, you know, give guidance about financial support. And, you know, one of the items I didn't mention is that I'm really looking forward to seeing the full results on some of our different community outreach mechanisms, to see what's resonating, what people are seeing, and you need to get information out of the city. So, that's kind of a side benefit of the poll, is you can ask questions about who's bad, those sorts of things. Now, what would come back to you would be the results of the poll, and then in addition, staff would do a whole lot more research into these questions about what are appropriate exemptions, what would this tax look like, how many days per year would a home have to be vacant to be considered the second home, all of those questions. So, that information would come back in the package. Thank you. Any other questions on the report? Seeing none, I'm going to quickly go out to the public. Again, I see no attendees. I just want to check where it confirms there's no email or phone calls. Fair story. We have not received any email. Okay. I'll bring it back to the council then for further deliberation and possible action for the council member, right, to dive in. Yes, vice mayor, dive in. Thank you. I'd like to make a motion to authorize the city manager to enter contracts with Jane Bergman and Sophie in the amounts to not exceed $17,000 for cleaning survey. Doing the challenge to keep going. To engage public interest in potential ballot measures for the November election and for the proposed resolution amending the fiscal year 2021-2022 thank you. I'll start from now. So, we have a motion and a second and I'll call on the council member Brown. Thank you. I guess I have a question or a comment first and then a question about the motion. My comment is I have concerns about polling on the utility tax because we already pulled on that last time and it wasn't favorable and to our city manager's point I don't expect that it'll be favorable this time. A lot of the same pandemic issues that we had when we were starting to control. When we pulled on it last time it wasn't very favorable but I can't remember was that during pandemic times or pandemic times it started yeah it was during pandemic times, right? So, I mean to the point that we're still virtual I think it's going to be difficult for our residents to say oh well the pandemic's over so I'm willing to pay the utility tax even though our council members are still meeting virtually because the pandemic's not over. So, I have concerns about polling on that particular tax and I would hope that we would consider not including that this time around. Otherwise, I'm okay with everything else that they consider and all the other opportunities and considerations. I think that is it possible was there a client? I thought there was a client about the the optional taxes? Yeah. Yeah, just back. Yeah. I got back up. Sorry, it's not going to happen. The little arrows aren't working well. I will try this way. Can you go forward until it goes forward? I'm going to do this. So, I mentioned the second home tax, the idea of like a sales tax which I suggested is either restricted or for a limited term for an intent around it. Perfect. There's DT and then other options. Yeah, if you can go back to the one before that. Perfect. So, I'm in favor of polling on the second home tax as well as the sales tax especially the second home tax because the FAP recommended it. I have a lot of faith in the finance advisory committee's recommendations. Yeah, I have concerns about the utility user taxes. Even if we weren't to put an advisory measure on the ballot, I would appreciate if you could at least poll to the public. If you had a choice, what would you want this funding to go to to give us an idea? Because even if we don't put it on the ballot and some of these things end up being just a general tax that goes into our general fund, I think it's good to have an idea of what people expect us to use it for. Yeah, those are my thoughts on that. So, I know there's already a motion in the second and I'm wondering if the maker of the motion and the seconder would be willing to amend to just indicate that the utility user tax is not part of the polling this time around based on just my thoughts on this issue. Thank you. Yeah, I'm totally fine with that. That was sort of the impression that I was under after Jamie's presentation but thank you for clarifying and that is in line for me. Thank you. As a seconder, I don't mind making that change but I have a question of Jean in regards to this change on the utility tax if I may. So, I thought about the same thing that Kristen talked about recently and so the conclusion I got was that maybe having various options there, people are thinking in terms of comparison. So, I agree, utility tax, we thought it was great but utility rates are going up, I'm on the Temptation Commission, we definitely act on increase that and you know I got some feedback on that but it's the way things are in terms of our climate. So, I was questioning to Jean if we took utility tax off as proposed or if we left it on would you think in terms of the effect in terms of the public when they see either two or three, you know, the idea of comparison between two, the idea of comparison between three, which I think that's correct, the third one, the utility is not going to be likable. So, I'm just trying to get some ideas. What do you think about that since you've been doing polling? It's always cleaner to do two than three for other users, fewer choices, but if you, you don't want to poll something that's not a possibility and you all have indicated here, and actually when Jane and I first talked about doing the poll, the first thing we agreed upon was, I don't think we should just do an exact design. So, I think that's, it's almost kind of a move point that if it's not something that you're going to consider anyway, then I wouldn't ask father asking. That's my question. I will second the motion. Do you amend that motion? Okay. Thank you. Any other council comment on the motion? Seeing none, just before we take a vote on the motion, I think I'll just lay in and I certainly agree that the utility path is not the focus time to be considering that in this era of inflation. And I also have serious reservations about the second home or making home taxes well. And it's to me that there's already a potential initiative that's taking place from the city of Sanctuary on that question. I've already observed significant opposition developing toward it. I think it's going to be a very controversial issue in the city of Sanctuary. And if we were to move forward in a lot of manner, I think that we would get dragged down with what's going there now. I think the sales tax is some of those that hold on to the most palatable tax, and particularly concerning the continuation of the major half of the temporary tax. And that gives them the sunset in 2027. I mean, with that, this may be a little premature to hold on that at the time. And so those are my thoughts. And I was just, I'm going to support the motion. I think it's always good to survey the residents for the top of part of their absentee. I did use the city and others pretty soon. I think it's good with that effort to get that feedback. But you know, when it comes to taking a vote on whether or not we're going to put a second home tax on the ballot, I would probably be most likely to know both on that question. So to my comments, the point after the vote, I'll call on the council member Brown. And I apologize. This might be kind of a silly question. We've had some polling or community outreach before that we had determined was going to happen. And then my phone got a text or a call in the poll or the community outreach. So I just want to clarify ahead of time, should council members be abstaining from participation in these kinds of polls? If you have a call or a text, that would be recommended. Okay. That's a good question. Council member Brandt. With that, I'll call for a roll call. Council member Bertrand. Agreed. Council member Brooks. Hi. Council member Brown. Hi. Vice mayor Kaiser. Mayor's story. The motion impacted unanimously, which will bring us to our next item, which is to adopt the resolution to declaring an emergency for stone-drying repairs and leveled up fraud. But thank you all very much, Councilman, in a few weeks. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bergman. And adopt the resolution and the recommended action is to adopt the resolution. One, to declaring an emergency. Two, authorize procurement and services without any notice to bid. And also, I can pass it to any of you in your contract with Brandon Ross. Three, approve the budget amendment, transferring $50,000 from the emergency reserve fund to the capital and premium project fund. And authorize the creation of a new project entitled, no-world-spark-stone-drying-project. And Dave, you're going to read it. Hi, Ann. And you've got Mayor and Council members on the HRR screen. Where is that? Like, okay. Yes, it does. Thank you. So the item before you is the title indicates consideration of declaring an emergency repair project for stone-drying. Stone-drying located in Numbable's heart. I have mentioned this item in oral communications that are a lot complicated when we first discovered it, with some taken action repair it. And this is the resolution necessary to proceed with that action. Different than a picture is always worth a lot more than words. I prepared this map just to kind of give everybody an idea where the location was. Oriented is Monterey Avenue, so I have to help George and Brighton. Bay Avenue is the only scored, you know, State Creek. So the green type here is the large Numbable's pipeline that goes from Numbable's park all the way through the lower parking lot near to SoCal Creek. And then this pipeline in red is the pipe that it failed. It is a 15-inch coordinated metal pipe from most of this length. It ties in with four other grains here and all of them connect into the Numbable's pipe here. The two black dots represent two areas where we've discovered there is a bigger dot as where the pipe was actually broken and severed. It was the cause of the problem. So we also did discover when we were videotaping at a small hole, five sides of the golf ball, where the solid iodide is upstream of that five dot, I think it was 11 or 12 feet. That kind of gives you an idea. You can see we're right next to the sidewalk here. A lot of people walk through this part of the park. So due to the location of the take-hole next to the public sidewalk, there's been an emergency action aboard it. We didn't want the sidewalk down. Again, we're somebody stepping off the sidewalk and into the take-hole. Grant and Rock responded and was able to mobilize within two days. And we did issue them an emergency contract, which is included in your agenda. So the repairs that were made worked again on March 30th. And as that work proceeded on the 30th, the depth of the pipe was significantly deeper than anticipated. I quickly go back to the picture. The depth of the pipe of this manhole up here is about four feet below top of the sidewalk. And we assumed it kind of went to that depth and it remained at that depth because it was somewhere near the pipeline more in case it would dive down. We know that this was significant right deeper. But unfortunately, it goes into promising gray. So it was significantly deeper than Grant and Rock had brought equipment for. And we had anticipated. So they halted the first repairs and filled them the hole. We knew there was nothing in there and we needed to explain it again. To start a second repair attempt on April 4th, it was larger equipment. I have some pictures and I'll show you that in a minute. The pipe was the bigger break of the Park 2016 TV. And a new pipe was installed to fix both failed areas of the pipe, of the accordion metal pipe. We are recommending, because we weren't able, we originally thought we might be able to replace the entire pipe, which was done before we had done our project. But due to the depth and the difficulties in working at that depth, we did not continue with replacing the whole pipe. So we're recommending a respection of the pipe and the future probably in the three to five year range, just to make sure that the rest of the pipe that we left behind is causing a problem. And then certainly a candidate for a slip lining project at that time, but further analysis will have to be made. Just to head off the question, we couldn't just slip line this project and this project because of the disconnection or complete failure of the pipe. It's a large dot on the map. We couldn't have ever pulled the pipe through this. We had to get down there and fix that for here before we could see it with any slip lining. So now we can slip line it. So here's some pictures that give you an idea of the equipment sitting above the pole. You can see the pipe down here. In order to put that at that depth, they had to excavate a rather large hole. This was a 15 foot shield as they call it. It's used for building manholes and accessing the pipes. You can see the pipe down here. That's on the ground down below. It was hard to get a picture of the outer just like a bunch of lads, but I didn't include it here. But you can see here's the existing pipe. We slipped just the beginning of a new pipe in there to match the size as much as we could at this point. And then in case there was a coupling put in here and then the whole re-connection was told the company to make it strong and last a long time. So that budget is complete. And the recommended action tonight is that Dr. Reslinson that closed emergency, which authorized our procurement of services without getting noticed or bid for sentence of the contact road 22050. Authorizing staff that enter into a contract for such services grant of rock construction for repairs to the storm drain located noble park intersection of Bay Avenue and Monterey Avenue. Resolution also accrues a budget amendment for $60,000 from the emergency reserve fund to the capital improvement fund and authorized to create some new project entitled the noble park storm drain repair project. And before I answer any questions, I just want to say $60,000. When we initially thought it was a much different shower depth, we were in the $20,000 range. I was actually out of town when the final repairs were done, and I left it with a $40,000 estimate. It's just the depth of the pipe kept bringing the project concept, but we are very comfortable today. We will not exceed the $20,000 amount with the final billing. We'll probably won't hear the final billing based on other emergency projects for probably another 30 days. So we can't provide a report at that time, either on or off, just depending on where we come in at this time. So that's the report and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Okay. To drain on the street that's considered city facilities. Yeah, if any of the facilities that's drained street flow are considered city facilities, none, none by. You got to just my question. Thank you. Any other questions from Councilman? Seeing that, Larry, I don't see any attendees. It's confirmed that there's no email to the phone calls. Mayor, sorry, I do not see any emails on the topic.  That'll go. A move approval with staff recommendations. You have a motion by Councilman referring on the third second? No second. Seconded by Councilman with a trend. Chloe, can we have a roll call for a move? Councilmember Bertrand. I approve. Councilmember Brooks. Hi. Councilmember Peterson. Hi. Vice Mayor Kaiser. And Mayor Story. Hi. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you, Steve, for taking care of that so promptly. Thank you, Council. All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Which will now bring us to Item 9D, which is to consider a section through the municipal code in accordance with the central bill, or 8-1, the action is to introduce for the first reading by panel on waiting the full reading of the fact an ordinance to adding people to code through the capital in the municipal code approving a military equipment use policy for police services. And then after that, we're going to leave it on the side. Yes, good evening, Mayor and Councilmembers. Tonight I'm presenting our recommendation to move forward with the military funding acquisition and police policy identified as the central bill 41. Real quick, we're just going to talk a little bit about the purpose of the AD41. We'll define what they have determined as military equipment. We'll talk a little bit about our current inventory. They propose a policy, which is policy 706, a little bit about the annual reporting requirements that are going to happen tonight and then hopefully are annually. And then coordination with our other jurisdictions and then the recommendations. So what is AD41? There is a simple bill in which you create really transparency and accountability in oversight with the acquisition and use of military equipment. It was offered by a committee member at San Francisco that was fined at law in September of 2021 by Governor Newsom. It took effect January 1st and must be condensed by May 1st. Part of this process would be required to come up with a policy and identify what military equipment is published out on our city website. That was done on March 13th. It's currently on our city website. And in moving forward, we're looking for approval from the governing body, which is the city council, and to establish that policy, having this public hearing, and then to, like I said, will submit an annual report. So like I said, the definition of military equipment in your packet was kind of just summarized a little bit, but it really talked about Maryland's robots, armored vehicles. And a lot of stuff that, quite honestly, the police department doesn't have. So there's 15 different categories, like I said, they're all listed out in the packet. The current inventory of the capital police department, really the only thing that we have to disclose is our community energy weapons, which is less legal shotgun. We did, out of just really the interest of transparency, added our personal and department-owned rifles, but they're actually not required for AB 481. We did have a section there talking about the use of allied agency resources. And essentially, they have to be approved by their body and for them to be used within our jurisdiction. And then there's a reporting element that goes to that. It's going to come back to you. Like I said, as the police department doesn't, but we don't participate in any of the, our 10-3 programs, those sort of programs that were designed where they were taking Department of Defense military equipment and kind of reallocating that to local jurisdictions, but we don't participate in any of those programs. Like I said, near the attachment that you have with the proposed ordinance, our military use policy, and then the actual agreement of the AB 481. Like I said, the policy is to detach, like just kind of highlight the stuff that's required that's in the policy and then if you look to the right of each of the descriptions there, it actually has the policy that you can look at specifically. But it basically covers the definition of what the military equipment is. We have identified a military equipment coordinator in their responsibilities. We've listed in that packet all of the current military equipment that we have. The approval requirements, the complaint process, the annual reporting requirements, and the community engagement which is part of the tonight's presentation. So that annual reporting, what it does is it basically covers use of the equipment, any complaints or receipts. We'll have an internal audit process, the cost of any material that were any equipment that we want to purchase for the next, for the coming year. That first report will be due by this next year 2023. And then on terms of the right of the power point here is just kind of the information that Gable considered any information to police. She is at ci.capital.ca.us. We can call our non-emergency number or call the military equipment coordinator or you can also send something in via mail. This is really an important piece of this presentation is just talking about coordination with other jurisdictions. And essentially in our policy which dictates the date in order for us to use or work with other jurisdictions there, any of that equipment has to be improved by their body for us to use it. And like I said then we would have the reporting come back to the council and let you know who we've actually used that type of equipment. And then one of the things that we did notice in reviewing the packet that there is a correction to win the recitals in the proposed ordinance. And if we need this and it's page 92 in your packet on item 9d and then you're going to want to strike the word stand-up that's a certain standard count. So we just want to kind of put that out there. And then tonight the recommended action is to introduce the first reading by title only maybe before reading of the text in an ordinance adding section 2.6 to the capital of Mexico bringing the military equipment use policy for police services considered and considering adding section 2.6 to the capital of Mexico and accruing military to the use of policy for police services. With that I have an open for any questions that we have. That's a member of the tribe. You're on the use of the amendment. Just yeah there you go. Didn't push the speak part swollen up. Yeah yeah I did have a question when you were talking about personal weapons and you know so I'm I'm going to ask that question. So you answered in terms of transparency. So thank you for doing that. Is there other questions in council members through Chief Allen? Seeing none Chief Allen I did have a question concerning the ordinance and this is subsection half on page 99 of the agenda package. It states that the city council will review the ordinance annually and vote on whether to renew it at a regular meeting. That struck me as a little inconsistent with the requirements today before the one isn't this required and with the council and the ability that to some later point say we don't want this anymore. Is it standard that some of you are prepared to answer or? Sure. Yeah. Um likely not you know this is in brand new legislation and so every city across the state is complying with it and it's possible there are some inconsistencies in it that would be worked out as we perceive the best way to do so. I guess I'll let some future councils grapple with that with that question. And yeah but it seems like that the council wouldn't have the ability not to renew it. You know maybe to amend it in some fashion but that just kind of struck me as a little odd. But with that are there any other questions being done? And again on this item I know that I know it's indeed hilariously to just confirm that there's no emails or phone calls telling any. Mayor sorry we we have the opportunity to any email. Okay. I'll bring it back to the council then for further deliberation and I'll present your motion. Oh my what's the recommended action? Can I just point out it looks like there's maybe a a glitch in the recommended action that looks like perhaps there was like something involved in that a range of the words. So I I'm trying to take out what it should be. It should be thank you. Introduce for first reading by waiting title on way I'm sorry introduce for first reading by title on way waiting with full reading of the tax of ordinance adding section 2.6 of the capital on the full code approving a military youth policy for fully services. And that's the end. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for that question. Thank you. So don't move around to confirm that at least your motion. That is my motion. Thank you. Thank you very second to that motion. I just had a quick question. My own story that we need to include that amendment from Chief Daly regarding San Diego to capital left. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just starting to be turning the field for that than necessary to do. Yeah. Or we can we can just correct it as a typo more than anything but I appreciate a deal of motion. So it sounds like we'll be including an motion with a fraction or to be waited by Chief Daly. Does that work? I'll remember Brooke. Yeah. I'll go ahead and second. And there's a motion second and it's been added to the motion that the resolution is corrected. The response to the county is thank you. And no, it's in it's in reference to the Fifth County of San Diego. It's talking about working collaboratively with other a federal agency within San Diego County. Oh, my apologies. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because what they had there was within San Diego County which that would be great to collaborate with San Diego County but a bit of a reach. So with that I'll ask for a well-called vote. Council Member Bertrand. I approve. Council Member Brooks. Council Member Brown. Vice Mayor Kaiser. Okay. Mayor Story. Hi. And the motion passes unanimously. And thank you Captain Daly for keeping that thing from vlogging with State Mandate. And so with that that brings us to an adjournment and therefore Ohio will adjourn this meeting to the next regular which has a meeting at the Capitol City Chapel on April 28th starting at 7 p.m. And until that time everyone be kind to yourself and be kind to each other and we'll see you later everybody have a good evening. Bye-bye. Goodbye.