Hi, we're here at Agile India 2017 with Yuta Eckstein and Yuta, how many how many years have you been in this conference? This is your first year? Actually, it's my second year. So last year I was the first time here and I was so excited that I asked Neresh to invite me back. Excellent. And you've got a workshop coming up on Saturday, company-wide agility. That's very true. Yes. And it's really to the heart of what I'm doing right now. Do you want to talk a bit about it? Oh, I would love to. Awesome. So company-wide agility is really scaling, if you will, Agile outside of IIT and really what does it mean to be an Agile company and Agile more in the sense of being flexible and adaptive. So the things that are required of companies right now independent, which feel there. And so it's not necessarily bound to like manifesto because it's not software. It's just general. What does it mean for for legal or for the whole structure? Some of the same principles, I would imagine, apply, but we're not talking about just like applying scrum to the other parts of the business. Exactly. Well, this is this is a bit, I think, what we see right now. At least I'm hearing about this and I also know some companies who have started implementing like daily stand-up on the board of the director's meetings or using a sprint backlog for that. But I think that's not getting us anywhere. So what actually this workshop is also about a book I'm co-writing right now with John Buck and John. He's from the field of sociocracy, so a different field than Agile. And so we're bringing this plus some other fields together. Excellent. And so the our first thing was that we wondered, well, if you ask different people, what do they think what an Agile company is characterized by? Then we get different answers from people from different streams or expertise. So for example, if you ask somebody from beyond budgeting, then they would say as long as you're doing annual budgets, you will never be able to get adaptive and flexible because you're fixed with the targets you've made and the finances, right? And similarly, if we talk to somebody like John from Sociocracy, he would say like as long as the power structure is hierarchy top-down, you will not be able to be flexible because you have centralized decision-making which just slows you down. A lot of these same principles we see in Agile software development about self-management and let's not make a bunch of decisions up front, but now we're finding how does that apply in different parts of the business. Right. And so these are the two things and then they're like if you ask somebody from Agile, we would all say well, as long as a company is not starting inspecting and adapting, you will not learn from the market and therefore you don't even know where to go and what's your adaptation and flexibility you need to. And then we have a force one which is open space slash open source because I believe they have like the two, the same source which is the belief that you will only be flexible if people can follow their passion. Okay. Right. So and what we are doing and that's also what we're doing with this workshop and with the book is bringing these four streams together and see how this can help companies to really be agile in the like flexible adaptive sense. Right. If you're more interested about that, so the other thing that we were looking at is okay, we in our community, we know the Agile manifesto, however, that has been created around creating software or building software. And so we looked at this and thinking what values are needed for a company to be agile. And so we used the manifesto as a guidance and came up with the four values as their constant customer focus. So what does it mean for a whole company to live that value? Transparency as the second one, self-organization as the third one and the fourth one continuous learning. And we just think if a company is able to focus on those values and take into account what those different streams are offering, they're really able to implement company-wide agility. Excellent. Okay. So if people want to learn more, they can either come to your workshop this Saturday or we'll be looking forward to your upcoming book. Yeah, excellent. Okay, well, thanks for talking with us today and enjoy the rest of Agile India 2017. Thank you so much.


Yeah. All right. Should we get started? All right, cool. My name is Jeremy Schwartz. I run World Possible. It's a nonprofit organization. We kind of manage what's called the Rachel Project, which has turned into a collaborative effort to deliver copies of websites to communities that lack internet access. So part of this presentation is probably less technical than most people are used to around here, but we'll go ahead and we'll go through it. And what our main mission is here is to provide a quality educational opportunity to kids what used to be around the world where we knew that they didn't have internet access. And over the last year or so, we found that here in the United States this is a much larger problem than we ever imagined also. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about the hardware and focus a little more on the technical side of what we do and how you can replicate what we do in your community, and then tell you a little bit about our international program as well. That's a fluff marketing piece. But the problem that we're addressing right now is that there's just over 4.2 billion people around the world who don't have access to the internet. That presents all sorts of challenges. The largest of which is that these people generally also lack quality education and educational opportunity that we've taken for granted for many, many years. So the reason those 4.2 billion people are not online is not just there's no internet access in their community. There's a McKinsey study that was just done early last year and it said, why aren't people using the internet? And you can break it down into two large buckets, the tangible and intangible buckets. Tangible buckets are things like infrastructure. There is no internet in their community.  They don't know what it's going to do for them. And the more basic things like ability that generally comes down to illiteracy which prevents people from getting on computers and from understanding what they're looking at. When we talk about the tangible reasons people don't have internet, a lot of this goes to international backhaul channels, landlocked countries that have to negotiate agreements. And this is when you're talking about most of Sub-Saharan Africa, West Africa, East Africa. There is literally like one large backhaul cable that connects most of West Africa to the rest of the internet world. So we started in Sierra Leone. We were there for about three weeks and a Chinese ship dropped an anchor on the one cable that provided internet access to East Africa. So we were without internet for seven days. And this is just some of the challenges that we see in the developing world and why people don't have access to the tangible parts of internet access. And at any point during this, please stop me. It's a small group. We can chat and talk at any of these. So what World Possible has done is we've started creating copies of websites so that people can download them and take them with them. And what we've started with is the open source community, the Creative Commons licensed content, which you'll see here is a small selection of our content. And I'll get into a little bit more about how we do this and what it enables. But things like the Khan Academy, Khan Medicine, practical action which helps people build in a rural environment, clean water supply, small fishing ponds, all the way through to things that you and I use every day, like Wikipedia. Project Grutenberg is the great books of the world. There's some scratching and computer programming. And so what we're building is the largest collection of websites that you can go and download and take with you. So you can throw them on a computer. You can throw them on a tablet. Or what we've got sitting around here now is we have these little servers. And what I'll do is I'll demonstrate that in a little bit. And these are large collections of websites as they existed at a point in time. Put on one of these little boxes. And you can plug these boxes in anywhere in the world and provide access to this set of content for a community that would otherwise lack internet access. And so we started in Guatemala. We did a lot of work in East Africa. And now our largest actual customer, we've started selling these as the Department of Juvenile Justice and the Department of Corrections here in the US. So we're in 13 states now running educational programming in the Department of Juvenile Justice. And we're in two federal facilities. So they bifurcate between kids who are 18 and under and actually even in some cases 24 and under who are required to get a five hour educational opportunity. You're sitting in a youth correctional facility in Oregon and you have one teacher who's supposed to be giving this education to kids that range anywhere from 13 to 24. And they've been looking at technology as a way to help bridge this gap where I can't teach all of these kids at once. And that's where Rachel has come in. So we are now in every youth correctional facility in Oregon which is 27 facilities. And they have two servers in each facility. And we've rolled that same program out to 12 other states now. So again, this is the infrastructure piece for people who don't have internet. We're trying to build a small slice of the internet for them to use. The larger piece, and I think I've got two of them sitting around here. This was recently designed by Intel. You can even hold that up. This is a larger device that has 500 gigabytes of storage which allows us to store all of the Khan Academy, all of TED Video Talks, all of Radiolab, all of Wikipedia, and about 45 other websites on it. And so I don't know if either of those are flashing and turned on but we can go through a brief demonstration. This is okay. So if anyone wants to go through a brief demonstration or talk about the tech specs here, this is a device designed by Intel. They just came out with it about four years ago. They call it the CAP or Content Access Point. We have redesigned it and preloaded it with all of our websites. And we actually now sell this device. And this is a device that we sell mostly into the prison system. But we also have these devices running with our staff in Sierra Leone and Kenya and Guatemala where we actually have a physical presence. So it's got Wi-Fi. It goes all the way back to Wi-Fi A all the way through now AC. So there's a wide range of availabilities to pair with old hardware that exists in the developing world. 329 and that gives us about $60 margin on top of what we buy them for from Intel from China. And then there's an 8 gigabyte EMMC which runs all of the operating system and some of the exercises inside it and then the large content storage which can be expanded to any size we want. But 500 gigabytes is about where we've sat so far. It runs for five hours of battery life on its own. So like in the Department of Corrections, if you have someone in juvenile detention and you can't have them taking classes with the rest of the students, you can just walk this over to the solitary confinement ward and they can turn this on and they can give someone something to do for five hours. They can learn computer programming. They can learn math. They can learn science. Intel Atom processor, 2 gigabytes of RAM. And we've been working with Intel on a second generation of this particular product to give us a little more power. So if anyone, we also have this Raspberry Pi version and that's the smaller box sitting up there. I'm assuming people know what a Raspberry Pi is here. It's a pretty safe bet. If you have a Raspberry Pi, all of the instructions are online for how to build this yourself. You can go online and download a 64 gigabyte image and that has the operating system as well as the content.  So it's a free project. If people want to try it now, there should be a couple Wi-Fi signals running. I don't know exactly what I turned on. I wasn't expecting as many people to show up all at once, but there's a signal RPI which you'd like to connect to one of the Rachel Pi units that's plugged in. There's a signal Rachel which should be one of the two cap units and then there's a signal Rachel demo which is the other of the two cap units. And if you're on an Apple device, I don't take any credit for what you're doing. They like to ping back on their captive portal. You can get it done, but Apple devices you probably have to start in airplane mode and then you have to connect to this signal and then open your web browser. And then from there you can either navigate to my.content or you can navigate to an IP address that I can throw up. But Apple devices are notorious for their dislike of the system. And that's because they're pinging back to Apple whenever you get connected to Wi-Fi and there's no internet with these devices. I use them too. Has anyone connected to any of these systems yet with any success? Or should I demonstrate this? Okay, so sometimes these signals get over. There's no Wi-Fi interference built into these because we're in places that don't have Wi-Fi already enabled. So we're in a big conference center. It's especially bad because scale will override our Wi-Fi system. So if you open your web browser, on the RPIs it's a little different. It's <IP_ADDRESS>. In Google Chrome or Safari or whatever it is that you're using and that'll pull up your contents up there. I'm wondering if I can – there we go. Let me see if I'm on that one also. Okay, so this is – we're both connected to Rachel Pi which is what the young lady in back has connected to. That has a 64 gigabyte microSD card inside it. And what you'll see here is these are websites pretty much as they existed in a point in time. So this is Wikipedia for schools. This is a highly used resource so we update this about every three months. So you can come in every three months and you can get the newest version of Wikipedia for schools. The Khan Academy by KA Light is a very cool system that takes the Khan Academy offline. It's produced by the Foundation for Learning Equality. And this gives kids the actual ability to log in, create a student profile, and go through all of their math and science and computer science learning that they want. So once you've created a login you can click Learn, Math, and you go through each one of these sections depending on where you are. And this is from the very most basic, counting with small numbers. We'll start a Salcon video. And then so he's teaching them how to count seven squirrels. And then at the same time when you're done watching that video it'll click you over to an exercise. And then it'll ask you to put 10 apples in the box. So this is totally offline. You can do this anywhere in the world. That Rachel Pi is easily created by anyone for about $70. And that's including. The RPI Rachel Pi which is $70, we say is good for 6 and 10 simultaneous users. The 6 is when you're doing this type of stuff where it's interactive exercises. The 10 is when you're doing more general web browsing. That number can be enhanced by plugging that into a router or an existing network. And then you can get up to about 14 or 15 people accessing this. The larger units that are floating around Intel claims 50 users. We've got to about 16 doing this type of work and about 35 doing regular static HTML web browsing. Yes. So we offer the SD cards free to download, pre-compiled with all the content on them and the operating system. So you just plug it into a Raspberry Pi and it works. You can go off like an external storage. And then you can go to our library of offline sites. And we have a couple terabytes of sites you can choose from. You can download them all and you can put them on an external hard drive. And then you have to do a slight technical of repointing of the web server. But there's instructions on our website about how to do that type of activity. So this actually runs on Ingenix and then Apache runs almost all of the other static. There's two web servers running at the same time. Actually I take that back. This runs like TPD and Ingenix. The other one runs Apache, the larger, more powerful device. But all the instructions are online. You can go and you can run a script and build it yourself. If you don't want to download one of our pre-compiled SD images or you can just download one of our images and plug it into a Pi and you're done with it. Worldpossible.org is probably your best starting spot. And then from there it gets confusing. So we do Rachel Pi in English, Spanish, French, and Hindi. We do all of that same content, build your own versions on the Intel device, which hasn't really had a commercial presence yet. It's hard to go buy that device a lot of places. But if you get that device from us you can log in and you can choose your languages and then you can download all the new content for you. Yeah, it's produced by a company called GemTech and we have to buy them by the thousand at this point. We'll see how that goes. We're hoping that there's a larger community around that device. It's the right device to use. It's a very secure. It's very well put together. It's got a nice battery and it works for quite a long period of time. Any other questions on this stuff? I don't think we get great sound over here and this is a little more of the international development side. And I'll get into a little bit about what World Possible does if that's of interest but I might take a little break and let people leave. Is that Daniel? Hey Daniel. Daniel interned with us for a while a couple of years ago. So it's good to see him. And I'll get a little bit into what we do now. We now actually employ people in the developing world to teach this type of technology, to teach blended learning technologies in their own communities. So we now have seven what we call social entrepreneurs around the world. There are two in Guatemala, there are two in Sierra Leone, there are two in Namibia and there's one in Kenya. Beyond that we obviously make all of our technology freely available to anyone who wants it. So we now know of Rachel in about 41 countries that have reported back and are using it all the way from single schools to ministries of education in Namibia. It's now like a state sponsored program to put these into all of the libraries and community centers in Namibia. So a lot of what this video would talk about if we had sound is the effect that this has on the community about giving kids an opportunity to learn where they otherwise wouldn't. He talks about keeping kids in the villages and in the towns where they used to have to come to the city if they wanted any sort of educational opportunity. Now they've got something to keep idle hands busy to get them excited about coming to school. We work with a company called BRCK or BRIC which develops now a Keo Kit which is 40 tablets, Wi-Fi charging into one giant case. All you have to do is slide them in their slots. All the kits get charged and all the kids have access to Rachel. It's a Kenyan company that's selling this as an actual product and they've sold about 73 of them is what I understand which is full classroom kits. It's $5,000. It teaches 40 kids at once. It's a very, very cool project that's been happening that's spun out from a lot of our Rachel content. So we've been excited to see that happen. Rachel was actually built in 2008 by a team of Cisco developers. Back in the day it was a large NAS device which I've gained in popularity now but for a while it was kind of a funky tech thing that we tried to get other people to use. It was power hungry. It was difficult to maintain. It was costly. And so from 2008 to 2011 we basically died as an organization. There wasn't anyone using what we were doing. Since then we've had three massive changes which have made this kind of become a successful project. First we have open content in the Creative Commons. So now we know without licensing restrictions what we can use, what we can take and that movement has created a lot more high quality educational materials for people. The second thing that's happened is the proliferation of low cost computing hardware. Now it's almost cheaper to take a kit of tablet than it is to take in a textbook. Coupled with our server opportunities you can now bring a full library of educational and health related activities for pretty much under $5,000 for a classroom of 40 which is just really incredible from where we were three or four years ago. And then the last thing is that we've had great advances in web browser technology and HTML5 standards. Before when we were talking about taking Britannica to a community you needed to know what operating system they were running, whether the disk was going to be compatible. And now with running everything's for HTML5 we know that we've got a set standard that we can develop to that's going to work on the variety of devices and operating systems that get donated or bought for the developing world. So like I mentioned we sell these on our website. We also give you all the instructions to build them and do them on yourself. We sell Rachel Pie for $115. We sell the USB preloaded with content, our content library as well as Windows Apache MySQL PHP pre-configured. So you can just plug this into a Windows machine, turn it on, and that Windows machine will become a server for our community as well. And we sell those for $20 also. This is what our development site looks like. And so we rely on a lot of volunteers to package content for offline use. So what we have learned over time is that you can't just get people a general set of content. You've got to find what's relevant for people. And so people are limited by storage or limited by bandwidth. We have a large library of content. You can go see it's at dev.worldpossible.org. These are all of the different sets of content. They're sortable by language. They're sortable by age range. They're sortable by category. And you can download any one of these individually, or you can download the package as a whole. Or if you find out that your kids are only using CK12 textbooks you can download just the updates to CK12. It's all compatible with our sync on any of our servers as well as FTP download and just straight zip file HTTP downloads. Yes, maybe. I just made this slide this morning so no. But I think that they just took a copy of the presentation and they'll put it up somewhere. Then what we come here for a lot of times is to get help with a lot of the development side of this. We're working on a captive portal for this. And when you connect it it automatically grabs you and takes you to the full set of content. Last month I just pulled this, our website in terms of people downloading content which many people replicate many times. We went through just under 7 terabytes of content last month which made us have more bandwidth than the actual raspberrypie.org who hosts us for free. But that's the equivalent of a few hundred downloads of our content in its entirety. So it's gaining traction. This is up just over 100% since about 6 months ago when we were doing 3 terabytes. And about a year and a half ago we were doing somewhere between 300 and 400 gigabytes of traffic. So no, the Raspberry Pi Foundation has just upped our server. They've been fantastic. They support us financially and through this. But it's been really great for us. In the bottom left we still use a lot of Google Docs. They find that people are more comfortable commenting and questioning on those. So if you try to build any of these and you have a question you just type it into the Google Doc and they're away we go. At any point in time we have anywhere from I think this picture was familiar today we had 9 people online looking how to build a Raspberry Pi. Sometimes it goes up to 20, sometimes it goes down to 3. But it's become a nice little community of people helping each other out. We also recently put all of our code on GitHub and that's been great for getting new contributions for people to help us build the technology side. So we want kids to have a little storage locker on one of our little servers. You know that installing that, installing updates to Wikipedia, installing automatic updates of content when you plug in, these are all things that are getting work done right now as part of the larger community that we're hoping to see made freely available to anyone else who wants them or can use them. The next thing that we've just added is a new pretty cool thing called Weaved. I don't know if anyone has heard of this but it just gives us a very easy remote connectivity into these devices. So this is only on our Intel device because it's a bit processor intensive for us to be doing this. We also pay for subscriptions out of donations. But what this does is allows us whenever any one of these devices gets plugged in whether it's in Namibia and you take it to the city center in Windhoek or it's in the prison system, they can come plug them into the Internet. We get alerted that device is plugged in. We can go and we can check on content that needs to be updated. We can now pre-stage content. So the Department of Juvenile Justice in Oregon has a new pamphlet they want to send out about educational opportunities when you leave the facilities. All of these facilities are totally offline. Over time they'll plug them in. They'll get connected to Weaved and they will get that new download and the next time they bring it back into the facility, they'll know that this is now available. It'll show on the home page you have new content. And so Weaved has enabled us to view these devices anywhere in the world if they get connected to Internet through any source. So it requires no port forwarding. It can build its own firewalls. It's very secure. And they've helped us build this management portal where we can now manage large sets of devices. So if you get a device from us, you can tell us it's going to East Africa. And then when we update our farming package in East Africa, the next time your device comes online, it will get that new content. So a lot of our devices come online like never. A few of our devices now with this type of technology are coming online about every other week. You'll see that there becomes patterns with how often people are plugging it in. And a lot of that has to do with how frequently we're updating content. But what this also will do when we do larger deployments is allow people to manage their own sets of content. So we're working with UM-com which is a religious organization that wants to be able to send out messages because they're putting these in all of their mission locations. And so they can send out new scriptures or pastures or whatever they want to load up. Whenever their devices get plugged in it's very easy for them. It's like a Dropbox functionality. They can just add little pages. Whenever someone plugs in the device, it downloads the content that's destined for their device. So this is something we've done over the last few weeks and it's pretty cool. It's a little bit of where we're going with this project as a whole. Now the problem with that is we get these devices in a very remote location and do you want to trust someone to take it from a refugee camp into the city center and get it updated with Internet? And a lot of times the answer is no, you want this locked up somewhere. You don't want to be handing this off to people and you don't want to require them to go and plug it in. So what we're working on next is actually a disruption tolerant networking system that allows anyone with an Android device who knows that there needs to be – and this is an actual use case. We're in a refugee camp in South Sudan. They need lists of where people are living and those get updated every week. For us to take our device into town to go get that list and then bring it back doesn't make a lot of sense. But what we're working on doing now is you can email a device. That email will sit in the cloud until anyone with an Android device can actually download that email and go deliver it to this Wi-Fi hotspot. So you can have an application that you can turn on your phone. You can see where there are Rachel's are around you if you have Internet access. You can see how much content needs to go to those particular devices. You can download that content for them. You can walk up to their Rachel Wi-Fi hotspot and as soon as you connect to their Wi-Fi it will offload their content for them. And so we'll be counting on the community itself to go out and actually deliver this type of – yeah. Very – it's early. There's a Professor Yaneki out of Cambridge who just does this and she reached out to us through the Raspberry Pi Foundation and they're going to do it as a school project. So it's supposed to start in the next school cycle for her which starts six months from now. But we've talked through it and it's what we're looking for is the next step and what our evolution has been from a technical side. That's pretty much it. This is a graph of where we're most centrally located. We've built content in a way that it's specific for sub-Saharan Africa, East Africa, West Africa, CLC clusters in areas where we've been able to find locally specific content. And a lot of that gets back to what World Possible does in our social entrepreneur program which I think is like the second half of this presentation but this second half is like totally non-technical and totally about what World Possible does as a charity. So I understand that this isn't always the audience for that. So if people have questions about the technology or any of that, I'd love to answer them now. And if people want to hear about this, I'm more than happy to get into how we do what we do. Yes, so Rachel Pies right now have a script that you would have to know – you'd have to know how to SSH into a Rachel Pi. We don't include Weaved on the Rachel Pi and it'll have a script and it'll read all of your content folders. It'll ping back to our server via R-Sync and it'll grab all of the changes from the content that you have now. We just started doing the Weaved process. Weave charges us $1 a device a year and we haven't figured out how we want to deal with that type of payment structure or whatever. So we get a free – they give us a free $100 and we are dealing with this right now where we are preloading sets of content in Oregon and East Africa and we're dealing with – we haven't figured that. We're not a business. We became a little bit of a social enterprise and we started selling this product in February but we really didn't expect that to happen. We wanted to create an easier process for people to do this and we needed better hardware. So we had to buy it and we've had to sell it and it's gone well but it's opened a lot of doors we weren't expecting. We're a 501C3, 100% of the profits roll back into the project. I'm our only full-time employee in the U.S. I became a full-time employee about 18 months ago and then we have seven full-time employees as social – Los Angeles here. Yes, yes. And the Intel device is nice. It has like a teacher portal so teachers have their own login. They can add all of their content for the year and then as they go they can star content and when they star it becomes viewable by all of the students. So when a student logs in they go to their learning section and they know what is now viewable which wasn't before. So a teacher only has to load all of their worksheets, all of their tests, all of their exams once, and then her job is to go through and just click when she wants to make these available to the student. And that's something that we're doing more in the prisons and we know what happens with it overseas. We really don't know. One of our biggest challenges is getting data back from what we're doing. We don't always know.  No, we have quite a few people in Ghana and that's a bit of a dated map too. You can have one of these. We do offer what we call a rugged pie which we do put an internal UPS in in an hour battery life. The microSD card on these devices lasts about six months and environments where power goes out all the time. MicroSD card isn't designed to be a hard drive. It's not designed to have this. So we do offer when we call it the rugged pie, we do put a UPS inside it. It does automatically switch over to battery whenever power goes out in a village. It can run by itself for an hour and then when battery gets down it properly shuts itself down or it has a button on top of it you can turn it on and turn it off. We charge I think $149 for that and that's the exact cost on top of whatever it normally costs to build one of those things. We really encourage people to do it right if they're going to do it. So we don't want to make anything cost prohibitive from that standpoint. Usually a lot of these times you get one chance to do it right. You take these things and you do it wrong, you don't go back and do it again. We've had it run up to about 8.5 without a lot of activity. It's kind of five hours of more heavy use. The board is made by a guy at a Germany. We get it through. It's called piemodules.com and they're like $19 for the board and then we source their own batteries so that they would last for an hour because that would get kids through a class session which is really what we were hoping to do. The Rachel Pie via Wi-Fi we say is good for 6 to 10 users depending on what they're doing. Six users if you're trying to do exercises they're all simultaneously watch video. And actually the biggest limiting factor on the Rachel Pie first is that little Wi-Fi dongle. So a lot of people plug these into a router. The next limiting factor is the IO read speed with your microSD card. That will top out at about 11 megabytes a second with a really good card and about 6 megabytes a second with most normal cards. So when you start dividing that by the number of users you start understanding the type of experience you get trying to stream a video at 500 kilobytes a second. So if kids are just browsing web pages you can do about 10 to 12 users. Pretty okay. You won't really notice any lag or anything like that. Rachel Plus is still new for us. We've gotten one field report back on how many people are actually using it at once. 35 people connected no problem viewing static HTML at the full classroom. When they went to do KA Light which is one of the key pieces of this, the actual interactive learning exercises they topped out at about 8. And we think that's more of a KA Light thing right now. So we're working with them to kind of enhance some of their actual, you know, it's a Python coded program and we're working with them to get some more speed out of that. But it's another open source project out of San Diego. It's a great group of guys that are doing some really impressive work. Anything else? So we started doing this and we would get these all over the world and we'd get them all over and people weren't using them. And we were trying to figure out why and a lot of it came to I think the second half of why people don't use the Internet. And this is like a good time for people to leave if they don't want to. Not like it all offended by that either. But we do run what now is considered the World Possible Chapter Model. And we support social entrepreneurs in a two and a half year program training them on this technology and then getting them to build their own businesses both selling and distributing this as well as selling training services in countries and then advocating to governments for large scale adoption of this tool. It's a two and a half year program. Right now our chapters exist in Guatemala, Namibia, Sierra Leone, and Kenya. Guatemala was our first chapter so I'll probably talk about that a little more. It's two and a half years old now. To give you the highlight, it's totally self-sustainable. We supported one social entrepreneur for two and a half years. He has now raised $74,000 for 2016 for his work in Guatemala. And then he covers all of his own expenses out of selling these Rachel Pie units and teaching training courses on how to use both Rachel Pie as a technical tool and then learning methodologies around how to use this in the classroom. But all of our programs are totally locally owned. There's no US or foreign staff monitoring anyone. We have volunteers that do day-to-day monitoring because we do provide financial contributions to each of our social entrepreneurs. So we have a lot of Rotarians have signed up for this role of day-to-day monitoring. They go into WhatsApp. They talk to them. They see what they're doing. They make sure that school actually exists. They make sure that they talk to the teacher and make sure that this person was actually there. They ask them how the hardware and technology is going. And then we give our social entrepreneurs a set of kind of five, six months commitments where we are asking them to do different things over each of the six months. And if they do that they kind of move on to the next part of our program. We also do provide technical support from our pool of volunteers. So if anyone gets a kick out of this, is a good network or something like that we can sign you up and anytime we get a request out of Ghana it would go to you. Right now I'll go to Seth. We have a great guy who takes all of our requests from West Africa for help. But we are getting more and more of those and we more and more want to be providing support or connecting people to people who do want to help in this regard. So it's a five, six month block. The first six months we don't provide them any financial money but we do provide them hardware. And so this is long after we've identified a social entrepreneur which is probably the hardest part of what we do. But we get a lot of feedback from people saying I've been using this in my community for years. I've heard of you guys. I really think this could be important. And we tell them good luck and then we wait to hear from them again and we wait to hear from them again. And then eventually we provide them with some amount of hardware with no promise of anything more than that. And we see what they do over the six month period. How many people can you go reach? What kind of impact are you having? What connections to the community do you have? Do you know the right people? If they get through that six months and this actually goes on to recruiting and then we actually ask them to localize the content. So we have Rachel Pie just for Guatemala. Well we have a Spanish version on our website. We have a Guatemala specific package that we distribute in Guatemala. We have Rachel Kenya which is actually an East African package but that has more Swahili content. It is curated just for this particular market and we rely on our social entrepreneurs during that phase to do that. Once they've done that and we've created a local country specific package we redistribute what we have. You know we go out there and we say this is what we've built for you. Let's see it in action. And then the last six months we give them six months to go out and fundraise and create a business out of what they're doing. So again this is the first stage. This is pretty much about four months ago where we were in Namibia and actually it's probably a little longer than that now. Namibia is a year and a half into our program but this was part of his original I'm showing you there are people who need this and this is the kind of work I'm doing. It's one of my favorite pictures we've ever got. But he set up a community outreach center with Rachel in it and would bring in villagers and he'd ask them about health problems and he would show them how they could research their symptoms on Rachel and what that really meant. The next part of our program is after you've gone out you've met with somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 people during that six month period. We're asking you to recruit a group of about 10 to 14 individuals who will help localize the content. So those are almost always teachers. They're almost always a diverse set of teachers. They're all tech savvy people. What we're hoping for is the best 10 to 14 people that we've gotten out of the thousands that they've gone and met. So this is a six month process to recruit our working group. That working group we're going to take in the localize section. We actually pay that whole working group to sit down on weekends in Guatemala. They came from all over the country. We paid all of their travel expenses. Every other weekend they came together for four and a half months to build the right set of content for the schools in Guatemala. So the second page is going out there and this is Bonfus. He's our social entrepreneur. He's wearing the Rachel polo. And this was at the end of his recruitment phase. He was saying, okay, I need 10 to 14 people to help me. And this is the response he got in Soy, which was in Southwest Kenya. It's pretty cool. We also, this is our social entrepreneur in Guatemala. He was speaking at TEDx in Guatemala. This is their job right now is to go out and find the right people who can help with this project. The third is localizing the content. And this is where it really depends on our social entrepreneurs to figure out what localizes local people. So in Kenya, what localizes people in Kenya is totally different than what incentivizes people in Kenya is totally different than what incentivizes people in Guatemala. Kenya has a rigid school system. They have a curriculum that they teach you. They have exams that they have to pass. Guatemala has none of that. Guatemala is looking for agriculture. They're looking for English language learning. Those are all things that we don't know, but we count on our social entrepreneurs and those 10 to 13 people to come together and say this is what's going to be important for us. In Mexico, it's SATs and again language learning. But it's a different type of language learning. In Guatemala, they were trying to learn English that they could study. In Mexico, they were trying to learn English for vocational trades. So even then, it's a different set of what do we really need for this set of people so we're not overwhelming them with content. We're giving them something that makes sense for them to go through and actually learn in their respective environments. So we figure out what incentivizes people. We almost always create or find curriculum and pacing guides where they exist. Our first entry point in a lot of places is teachers. So if we can tell them what they're supposed to be teaching on a particular day and then give them resources on Rachel to help them teach, that's great. We look for local content in local language. We have a lot of Mayan content. In Guatemala, they've collected and put onto our Rachel Pie for Guatemala. A lot of what we found incentivizing people is also some of the preservation of their cultural histories. So in Guatemala, they've used this as a tool for storing audio tours and they will go and they'll have all the kids go and interview a local village elder in their native Mayan language. So here are old native stories. They'll load this onto their Rachel Pie where they can all upload content and it will be a place for them to share local stories. And for them, it's a place for them to preserve local culture. And eventually our hope is to get all of this stuff back online. Another thing, what incentivizes particular groups, we've talked about health. We've worked with doctors without borders groups. We've talked about religion. We work with UM-Com. There's a lot of different things that incentivizes people to pick up those projects. We need to just find those. When we find the incentives, we say what content already exists that we can add. That's the easiest way to add content that already exists. When it doesn't exist, what content can we get created? So in Guatemala, we needed a lot of vocational training about how to build a chair, how to build a desk. We went to the University of Guatemala. They created a course on creating videos for people who need this kind of stuff. And so it was very basic farming and agriculture. There's this great content that we have on building a irrigation drip garden out of old plastic bottles. And it teaches kids how to cut out the bottom of the bottle and how to build a drip irrigation system where you have limited water and limited resources. And it's actually, it's happening. It's a school project that happens in a lot of our northern Guatemala cities. And I'll show you some pictures of that. And then the last thing we do is how can we align our existing content in a more useful way? And so that's really where we start sitting down with those 11 to 14 teachers. And we say, if this is what you're supposed to be teaching, how can we put our content together in a way that makes sense for you to actually use this as an end user? And so a lot of that is just aligning content that exists on Rachel that we found or created to the local curriculum. In vocational training, it's a different way. What makes, does it make sense to learn how to build a desk before you know how to screw in a screw? You know, it's just really a matter of creating a simple way for people to learn. So this is one of those. This is in Guatemala. This is a Rotarian who was hosting those bi-weekly meetings to align Guatemalan content to the local curriculum there. And this is some of what comes out of it. CNB is the National Curriculum of Guatemala. In Kenya, we actually built a package called Rachel Shamba, which is a 4GB package. It comes on a micro SD card that people plug into tablets. And this is used almost entirely by a group whose job it is to take farm products from the city center out to farms. They're the basically material salesmen. And so when they go out there, they're going out to a farm and the farmer says, I have a leaf and it looks like this and it's killing all my plants. You know, it's got this white fuzz on it and it's got these holes in it. And this is just a package of East African farming materials where he can say, you know, this is the bug that's causing that. I can show you on my tablet without the need for internet exactly what's causing that. This is written on the website. This is what you need and I can get you that product. And so for them, it's become a way to enhance their livelihoods both from a farming community standpoint and from the guy whose job it is to actually sell product. This is Facebook did a video on our social entrepreneur in Guatemala. It's a cool video. It's on our website somewhere. You guys can check it out later if you want. The last really community benefit part that they do is this fourth distribute again. So this is almost two years into the program. We have built a local content specific package for Guatemala or for Kenya or for whatever it is that we're doing. And we talk about distribute with a purpose or intent to engage. So that first time we're distributing trying to meet 3,000 people, the sole purpose of that is not to introduce them to this technology and convince them to use it. It's to find people who are going to be the real advocates during our localization process. Once we've built this we want to go out and say this is the tool you should be using. And so we've reached this phase with Guatemala and we're getting there with Kenya now. And what we do is we go out and we teach learning methodologies for this. We have now a set of content that works. We've got a device that works and we've got to go out and so we teach souls which are self-organized learning environments. We teach vocational training. We teach directed learning which tells kids this is the math you need to learn. Go and learn this math. Here's how you do it. We teach inquiry-based learning which is kids have a question. Let's go research a question. Let's talk about using Wikipedia to research. Let's research Guatemala and history. We talk about blended learning which is a combination of the two where you might have some kids learning a process online and then teaching that same process to the other students in the school. We narrow our focus to a manageable set of deployments and this is our social entrepreneur doing this work. We asked them to cover about 30 deployments which enables them to visit each deployment once a month. They can share best practices. They can help fix some of the tech problems that do exist. They're really a jack of all trades. What more content can we continue to get created? And then how can we align the content again in a more useful way? It's a complete iterative process. We view it all as a cycle. So this is teaching in a Guatemalan school translated in Spanish. You've got to meet trades souls, self-organized learning environments which encourage kids to explore on their own and talk about what they've learned in the classroom setting. This is another video that's on our website. This is really much more of like a directed learning and he is telling kids go and just learn. Go spend five minutes looking at Rachel. Tell me about what you found. Let's talk about what you found and this is a way to get kids. Really our goal is to get them familiar with the computer. Whether or not they're learning is of less consequence to me than if they're gaining computer literacy. Our main mission has been computer literacy and getting people prepared for jobs in the 21st century. So anytime we can get the classroom focused on computers, we're happy. This is that drip irrigation system with some of the plastic bottles being built in Guatemala. On the right side, that's the Oregon Youth Authority when they powered up their first Rachel server, September 15th. And so we're now in every youth facility there. This is in Sierra Leone. We hired our social entrepreneur just before the Ebola crisis. And so that was when they were supposed to be out meeting between 2,000 and 3,000 people. That didn't work. Obviously you couldn't be traveling the country pitching this. So we partnered with a group called Cause Canada who actually taught classes in the north of Sierra Leone, but their teachers couldn't go back to Sierra Leone. They were Canadian teachers. So they took our students, our social entrepreneurs with their students, they paired them together and they said, okay, we're going to try and do school just through Rachel. And so our guys were there to teach the kids how to get on the computers and how to learn math and how to go through the Rachel content. And that was their entire learning during the Ebola crisis. And it was three schools in the north of Sierra Leone. On September 2nd, the update that we got from our Facebook page is there on the left. And I don't want to slaughter, but it says the kids in Tsikunya extend their sincere thanks to Cause Canada and World Possible. Through the use of Rachel contents in the subject areas, we are proud to announce that you guys at Tsikunya School came second in the basic certification examination for the whole of the north of Sierra Leone. It was the highest score they'd ever gotten passing their proficiency exams at the end of the year. And this was with no teachers in the north of Sierra Leone. It was pretty incredible. This thing gets mad when I stay on the slide too long. That's what it looked like in Sierra Leone. You had younger kids learning from older kids. You had all of the kids sharing about three kids to a computer at once going through their math exams. Most of that was through the Foundation for Learning Equality which will tell you when kids are struggling you can pair them up with kids that are doing well, with kids that are struggling you can sort by a subject. You can sort by Algebra I. You can see all your kids. You can see which kids were proficient in the subject and how long it took them to do it and which kids were struggling and you can sit them next to each other and you can have them teach themselves. I'm not saying that this success happens all the time, but this is a very cool story for us. Then the last part of what we do is we give our social entrepreneur the final six months which is we've only done this in Guatemala now and he was completely successful to say you need to build something that doesn't rely on us funding you to do this anymore. And so in Guatemala he raised $74,000. He does about $9,000 in revenue and about $3,000 in profit right now. He's hired a second employee to be now the second social entrepreneur. And we have withdrawn all of our financial commitment to them completely. So we no longer provide any money to our Guatemalan staff. They run Mundo posible Guatemala. They just met with the Vice President of Guatemala about two and a half weeks ago in a presentation to the new Minister of Education and they are pushing for this to be in every school in Guatemala. I mean they're just totally incredible people doing this on their own and really have set a very high bar for the rest of our social entrepreneurs but it's been fun. So I think that's pretty much what we've got. I appreciate you guys sitting through the fun part for me. Second half. Do we have any questions? No. So the only interactive – are you talking about for our social entrepreneurs or for people who are using our device? Yeah, so we don't do any of the curriculum design ourselves. Like in Kenya where you were teaching towards their A exams which helped them get to the next level of school. We align our content to what Kenya says you need to know. So part of that process of localizing our content is finding out what they say you're going to be tested on and then aligning really just a list of links that say how we teach math is totally different than how they teach math. We teach Algebra 1 and Algebra 2 and they might do trigonometry and then geometry. So it's a matter of saying this is how you should learn it in the order you should learn it if you're going to take these exams. But we don't do any curriculum design ourselves. All we do is align what content we can find or have or create to what they say you should learn. Anything else? We have three sets of content that we deploy that aren't available on our site. One is for the Oregon Youth Authority. They have a proprietary or paid license program that teaches kids all about the educational opportunities in Oregon. So they can learn about the jobs and the curriculum they need and what schools. Oregon pays $3,000 a year for that. As part of them piloting this and being our advocates we put that offline for them. In Sierra Leone we have a literacy program. It's actually LearnToRead.org. They charge $500 for a school license. And we charged Cause Canada paid for the work and taking that package offline which we normally don't do. And then Cause Canada paid that content producer for their server licenses. So we bought three of those. And there's one other package that we have that's not Creative Commons license that's passing my mark. Oh, GCF LearnFree, produced by the Goodwill Community Foundation teaches basic computer literacy courses. For about two and a half years they would not let us include it. And then when we moved into the prison system they changed their mind. But that's the other package that's not Creative Commons license that we include. It's a really good one. We asked for it and we were denied. So we asked for it and we asked for it again and we asked for it again. And finally about six months ago they said we can now they believe that we really have a nonprofit mission and they're on board for including that package. Yeah, so we are in the Public Housing Authority in Austin, Texas. We're in 13 state juvenile justice systems. We're in two adult correctional systems. In Detroit there's a mesh network that provides Rachel access over a group, some hacker group did it. It's pretty cool. We're in a couple of these, I'm blanking on the name, but in San Francisco there's a group that takes returned felons and gives them jobs and arrests. Delancey Street Foundation, so Delancey Street Foundation has a few chapters now and they don't provide internet access to the people who are working there but they do provide Rachel access through a server there. And I think that's pretty much it in terms of known U.S. deployments. Yeah, the prisons are very tough. And a lot of that is like what they call IS and I think that's internal security. So we've had to send a lot of devices out to those people and it takes them somewhere between six and eight months sometimes to come back. We do run on that Intel device what we call Rachel Justice which doesn't include all of Wikipedia because if you include all of Wikipedia they can find boobs and bombs and they actually found all that stuff in Oregon. So that's how we quality controlled that. We took out the full Wikipedia and then there's a package called Wikipedia for Schools which is done by a U.K. charity that already filters all of that out. We also had to pull all of the health-related content both because a lot of it had like diagrams but also because prisoners were self-diagnosing themselves and that created a whole host of other problems because if they think they have a condition they think you have to investigate it on some level. So we do have Rachel Justice which is a package just designed for the prison system. But then there's the whole other hardware side of things that you have to get through also. The one, we were at Ray Brook Federal in New York and they wouldn't allow us to do any of the wireless communication whatsoever. They also provided very limited access to actual hardware but they have CCTV and so they started broadcasting a lot of the Khan videos on a schedule so people could learn like particular classes so you could turn to Channel 13 and you knew that math lectures were going to be happening on a loop. But that's even a win to get that kind of stuff in the federal system. It's a much more difficult process than in the states or the regions within states. Yeah. So the juvenile system actually has school districts which I had no idea until I started doing this. They've got teachers and school districts and principals and yeah, I mean there are a lot of incarcerated people in this world. It's horrible. Well, that's a different topic. So we worked a lot with Oregon, the Oregon Youth Authority. They piloted this program and they said about three weeks and like this stuff has got to go. So we didn't try and pitch this to the Oregon to any other prison facilities. Oregon has made public the work they're doing and we've gotten inbound requests and everyone has said give us what Oregon got. So we went through that same process of localizing the content before we went out to that next process of broadly distributing. So we had already kind of created a package for the prisons before it got into the other systems. So it was just an Oregon problem. Yeah, sure. Yeah, we love that stuff. Yeah, we love. Is that your like Excelsior College that was doing the credit by exam? Yeah, I'd love to talk a little more about that. That's for the prisons the next step in this is allowing a lot of credit by examinations which would allow prisoners to get at least an associate's degree while they're inside without access to the internet. So they can have the materials there to study for those courses. Excelsior College runs all of the credit by examination for the US military. So they're very comfortable with this type of environment where you can learn everything and if you pass an exam we will give you college credit. So for those people, I don't remember, when we were at Raybrook there was part of this presentation. It's like 68% of people who go to jail go back recidivism and then the percentage of recidivism among people who obtain a bachelor's degree is like 13%. It's just an astronomical change when people actually get. We haven't. I mean we're pretty lean. We're pretty responsive to our social entrepreneurs. I'm our staff here and I feel like I work for them when they send me stuff I'm doing, I'm just doing support for them right now. We did just get our first large three-year committed grant last Monday. So we'll start hiring, thanks. So we'll start hiring a few more people. We've got 750,000, 250,000 a year for the next three years, which is for us double what we've been working on for the last two years.  Anything else? All right, thanks, Ivan.


Hi, thank you for joining us for the Newton design series for Neutron with me. I have Armando Armando. Please tell us a little bit about yourself Hi there. Yes. My name is Armando Miyacho, and I've been in the Neutron PtL since the Mitaka release I work for a Hewlett-Bugger Enterprise and I'm based in the San Francisco Bay Area working for RobinStack and then OpenStack for a few years now Very nice. And can you tell us a little bit about Neutron as a project as well? So, yeah, I mean a few words and Neutron is the networking project within the OpenStack ecosystem its mission is to create technology agnostic abstractions to address the networking needs of service providers enterprises and telecom operators that deploy OpenStack requirements and Yeah, we basically focus throughout the entire ISOC stack, you know, from out to all the way to L7 services Got it. So we're about a month approximately from the Austin Design Summit So what were some of the hot topics that you and your team discussed at the summit and what were some of the outcomes? You know, we have a number of you know exciting sessions There's usually lots of yelling But yeah, I mean, it's good discussions and we've agreed that a number of key areas and on the path forward for For a few things that I think we're along overdue and in particular we talked about how we could transition the existing Neutron clients over to the OpenStack clients Which is, you know, this the latter is, you know, something that's been going on for a while too and you know we Talked a little bit about how again, how to make that transition happen and other we also discussed on how how to provide More sophisticated troubleshooting tools for users and operators. Again, this is also like an overdue area of improvement And we also talked about how to streamline our our internals You know, software management processes So that the various initiatives that happen under the Neutron project Umbrella or as you know, so-called stadium get better visibility within the wider ecosystem And you know, lots more Got it. And so The primary audience viewing this design series interview will most likely be operators and users So could you highlight a little bit in Newton design in Newton What you plan on doing that you identified as a user need that you're addressing Yeah So why are that we're going to invest quite a bit this cycle is How to improve the ability to troubleshoot networking issues? I mean We talked about this for a while now and was really converging to a solid abstraction I mean, and this is particularly important for for users and operators who are faced Usually with that, you know with the with the ability to effectively troubleshoot and pinpoint where where issues exists and Helping operators dealing with deployment scalability issues is also another key aspect that we've been discussed extensively Especially in relation to to the software routing solution that Neutron provides Modeling new ways to deploy Neutron over existing data center networks is also going to be one of the major as human that we hope to make Happen for new team Neutron and there's many more Great sounds exact exciting and agree. I think that's definitely user need that needs to be addressed So overall, what are the top three priorities for new features or enhancements to existing ones for the cycle? Okay So you I think It's difficult to come up with like just three but I mean you guys expect to see three major enhancements at the end of Newton One is better troubleshooting capabilities as I've said a few times now And this is beneficial like for a for a full stack orders, right? Anyone is going to be happy to see that another key achievement that we're aiming for And particularly that which is and if he focused he is about providing the ability to trunk Many net to Neutron networks together and expose them to a virtual function be a single attachment point This is this is also going to become relevant for for better metal deployments like ironic and I think finally we've been working on this will be working this for like for a few for sometimes a very fusile now and you're going to Provide a new way to model data center networks, you know an L3 centric fashion She's a big shift from from the way in you turn has been operating So yeah, this to me I see like the top three priorities as well as challenges, but yeah, hopefully you know We won't we won't disappoint our you know our user base You got it and now if we go up one level if you will so the product work group and offset community We've been using this concept of themes at a broad, you know at a broader level to kind of certify buckets of focus for projects So the themes that that exist our scalability resiliency Majubility modularity and drop ability which teams that do you think you turn is focused on for for this cycle? well, we try to You know strike a balance and and all of these things together So, you know, do you see that there are things within, you know, the larger group of folks who are, you know, focused in Newton We're gonna spend time and and an energy in in tackling issues in each of these like buckets if you will and As far as scalability goes, I think the primary areas that that The primary areas that Newton delivers are like in L2 and L3 services and We have been working to identify and resolve like control plane bottlenecks for both L2 and L3 operations Now, you know, we reached a point where Newton is deployed to scale and you know We're getting huge feedback as that some things, you know, don't you know, don't work as they You know, they should be and there's been an ongoing effort in that addressing how, you know Control planes scales out when dealing with the creation and management of of certain L2 and L3 constructs that Newton handles As far as the resiliency goes Since since again the possible it is now possible to create some of the routers that are both like distributed and highly available and In Newton, I think we need to we need a few extra iterations to make that capability rock solid and gain behave well at scale You know thinking thinking about manageability Back in Mirage, we will prove the experience for the end user greatly with With the orchestration, you know, with the get me a network orchestration As it's known That capability allows users to provision network topologies at the push of a single button Like a simple API and the Newton we want to iterate so that That provisioning model can become more flexible and address the various networking topology needs that our readers may have So you see again an increase, you know, better better manageability on that front I Think you mentioned what the lettery to do, right? and the journey of breaking down the new term code base in manageable basis has started a few cycles back and The journey is obviously still ongoing. I mean, it's this loss that still need to be done And we were learning one book sense and you know what doesn't and you know, it's it's a it's a learning expert process and an experience so we do learn through experience and Again, I mentioned the stadium the Neutron stadium before which is sitting is namely the elected the list of projects Initiatives that the new project initiatives that the Newton team and Dorsey's and as and that has going there's been going through a number of transformations and and The transformations, you know, we're a me that addressing this very need of modularity How, you know, how we can, you know, we can improve the way the various beats the pieces fit together And one aspect that we are gonna be focusing on amongst others is how we can improve How the load balancing as I said this module within Neutron fits within, you know, fits between Newton and resolve some of the integration issues that exist To deliver like to deliver load balancing services effectively So as far as the interoperability goes one area that has been discussed for a while now is How to effectively connect like to the link across, you know, two or more separate open stack deployments So it's not just about like federating like identity, but it's also how can you make like two separate networks behave like if there were one and there have been a number of proposals on the table for a few years now and I think that we got your point where there's no critical mass and I think now is the time is right for looking at these The side-by-side and start defining, you know, which one makes sense for which use case because not, you know, that we want obviously You don't ever see the bullet that it's like one size fits all so Again, we have some work to do in order to better identify how, you know, how a solution is fit for For what for type of use case and we aim at, you know, the aspect too And yeah, I mean that would keep us busy for a while for sure Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for joining us Armando and covering Neutron before we go Is there anything else you'd like to add for our viewers?  And I usually I usually struggle to give an answer to this this type of question because you know, when sources you're never really in full control and We usually are very ambitious. We try to end up, you know, we end up Over-subscribing ourselves and I see some of, you know, some of the things that we talked about during this call and some of the things that we wanted to You know, we want to tackle in Newton will end up obviously, you know, spilling over Ocata and And typically, you know, some of some of the efforts that I even mentioned like during this call have started prior to Newton So they are typically like multi-cycle efforts and Hopefully, you know, we'll Throughout this journey, we'll still be able to deliver value at the end of each release. I'm probably stating the obvious But it's always good to like keep being in it because otherwise Again, if you're like, okay, at the end of the release, whatever actually done Yeah, I think it's important to iterate that it's multiple iterations.  Well, thank you so much Thank you. Thank you for having me You