fairly wealthy and would be able to do all this himself like he could just pay for everybody in his family to just pop smoke and go somewhere else but you see they can't do anything to Butcher because he might release a photo of a child online and that'll destroy everything to do with Vaught somehow you know what might be worse than that Homelander convincing the child to leave the fucking place that could be worse I don't know this fight you'll get bored so yeah that covers one of the B plots right that's that covers a lot of the episode already yeah that is and then I guess all right go ahead well I was going to say so the ones we have remaining would be Maves Starlight Homelanders and his sons and Starlight yeah those are the three we'll knock them out next I guess which one do you want first Maves is really easy so her girlfriend is like oh this is the real you and it's shit and so she leaves and Mave is now just completely detached she's very depressed this will play into their attitude in the following episode we'll pick that up but she is relevant to the main plot but later I guess um Homelanders oh god it's the scene where she's like hey do you watch PewDiePie I wonder if there was any ill intent behind that reference I feel like that one was I honestly think that's coincidental I think they were just like oh PewDiePie that's like a boomer yeah well yeah there are two interpretations then one is that that's a popular YouTube personality that someone might watch too is remember how PewDiePie gets constantly chat on for being a secret Nazi as an audience member you can take whichever one you feel is more overtly being done I'd be willing to accept that it was a coincidence but man you think they'd have the foresight no never mind I'm not gonna finish that sentence anyway um and so I guess yeah Starlight so she goes to visit her mum oh god this fucking scene dude yeah and so then I think what yeah Black Noir just sort of jumps in and knocks her out so where do we begin with this uh why would you agree to meet your mum why yeah you know she's connected to Vought and you're currently on the run from Vought you fucking idiot yeah this is a terrible risk also they're meeting in a public place where everybody would recognize her yep that again but just add that onto our tally I suppose great how our Black Noir jumps in as soon as the information lets slip that he might actually be coming you know it's like it's the cliche oh bad oh here's a potential bad thing and then the bad thing immediately happens after they address it yeah it takes her ages to ask about Vought it comes out of the mum by accident right she's like oh Vought okay with this yeah it's a nice little Freudian slip it's so beyond stupid like what are you thinking why would you and then of course yes so the building comes down and Black Noir hits her with something that would clearly not be able to knock her out because she's incredibly strong but they just cut away and she's knocked out and she's taken to a prison speaking of getting knocked out when they throw in the little gas canister like everyone is immediately an instant like they don't even grade them in yet you know it's if you look at it it knocks you out with very potent gas yeah it's pretty absurd yeah they literally all just fall over that's some funny shit yeah that is fucked up and yeah this is the episode where we were left baffled by the fact that apparently Starlight can't use electricity like she needs the electricity to do things Blame talked about it earlier it was clear in the cast scenes where they established this as an issue it was just like oh okay and yeah I was exactly like you where it was I assumed that the reason why the lights would flicker was just because she was using her powers not because it was an effect of her powers I didn't think that she was like cold from infamous where she has to suck the electricity out of objects so what's the power source for the lights inside of the room though Gary let me know about this if you check the x-ray it says like those ones can't be juiced for her it's like okay it's just they say it like like that's just how it works it says no power these glowsticks don't have the energy Starlight needs to activate her super power she blasts do these people not understand how buildings are made so first of all Starlight is a relatively new person and to my knowledge no one else at Vaat or in the 7 has ever had any kind of super power that required them to be able to draw electricity so you're telling me that every single wall within I don't know like 50 feet doesn't have a single power cord running through those walls yeah why are they allowed to have prison cells of that kind I mean your spot is allowed to do whatever they want yeah Vaat can do that that's cool with me the silly part is that they put her in a room that has the potential to be lit up like a fucking Christmas tree it's like why would you do that if the room is designed to keep people in it like why would you have an emergency light like why would what in the world and then of course it's like they describe it as super strong she can blast it open with one hit from her Tism power and some people have highlighted that even if the light is off whether the electricity comes from up there she should be able to draw power out of it well yeah because it's connected to the building yeah so none of this makes any fucking sense at all and you can tell that the only reason she's put in here is to break out because oh I so you know how the reason why she gets out is because a siren goes off above her head and then that's how she gets the electricity if that is connected to a power source you can just pull the electricity from it anyway that's literally almost weird for weird what I just said sorry I didn't I don't know how that happened I totally didn't get that's what you said okay so in fairness it depends on where the switch is right sure like if if just because you have a light bulb in your ceiling doesn't mean that there's electricity constantly going to the ceiling if you have a wall switch and it's going to trip you know it's going to sever the connection at the wall so there isn't there shouldn't be any live juice going up to the light until you make that connection right but even then it doesn't matter if those particular lights don't have any juice there are I mean you can flip to it right now there's literally dozens and dozens of lights outside in the hallway not even like 20 feet away on top of that she uses her powers to like blast a hole in the door but couldn't she just like punch it I mean she's been shown to be able to punch through concrete and like you would have to assume that if the door is reinforced to the extent where a super powerful character can't punch through it wouldn't these little zap zap jubilee blasts not be able to get through it either that's embarrassing shit man that light that's clearly like a meter away whoops someone said by the way and she's not touching the car by the way that these are writers they're not electricians they're not writers I mean the writer is so uh look at that it's literally touching the wall okay just want to just want to say when batwoman tries to give someone CPR because they've bled out that's good writing because they're not doctors they're not doctors yes um fucking hell you can't do this do at least like the most research in its fuel amount of research please emergency lights use alternators to light up they're constantly powered and lit up when the power is turned off well there you go then so even then there's still going to be power in there there's many ways this fails so it's like oh well the funny part is I guess that's closer to the main plotline because well we'll come back then the next scene is like three minutes of porn jokes and the general trivia says that it's called homebanger red, white and anal wildly successful cock hole video produced in 2015 with more than 500 million downloads to date what a red, white and anal yeah that's the name of the video that they're watching yeah I know do you know people have actually put out like requests for the full versions of those scenes to be released like the ones that the adult scenes that were shown like very briefly on the tv in the show like people have been requesting that those actually get like fully released like the entire completed scenes someone in chat has said they've got electricians on set yeah they would have to make the set and then the next scene is where homelander and stormfront are doing their little rally and they do the thoughts and prayers meme which is another telltale sign of bad writing all bad shows seem to do the thoughts and prayers joke isn't it dumb how people say thoughts and prayers isn't that dumb yeah it is dumb we all know this um yeah I mean it's very blatant like anti christian nonsense and I don't think it's anti christian I don't know if it's anti christian it's more just like it's just a thing that people observe so the thing is it originates it's not exclusively christian to be sure but like the yeah it's overused to be sure people put it on social media because they want attention but the fact of the matter is they're religious people when they say thoughts and prayers they genuinely mean it if someone like mike pants or something says thoughts and prayers you can guarantee that he's going to take like a minute out of his time to quite literally stop do whatever he's doing and to make a prayer like that is where I don't care though the point is is that people do this out of a genuine position of faith and whether you I don't care though that's not the point he's making so if the show is making fun of people for being non-genuine about it when they are the thing is there are people who aren't genuine about it so the show is able to take that shot it's just that it's like I think the idea is that thoughts and prayers is a platitude that often rings hollow yeah because once enough people said it even if they were being genuine a lot of people just echo it when they got nothing else they want to say like oh this bad thing the fact that it's the same configuration of words I think is the problem everybody says thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers why is it that order it's weird so yeah like whenever a show does it to make fun of people I'm just like yeah good job good for you it's just unoriginal it's dull even red letter media does it or jack did it or jack did a whole episode on it isn't the episode called it is that night in the episode you showed me oh no that was a different one was the gun control one is thought some prayers is it or is it I think they mock that in it the fake panderness because they're like oh no another shooting and then they type on their phones so did they double dip that one I think so yeah in that same exact scene they actually they do an orange made it bad because that's when I think it's still up front who says make America safe again it's the Ronald Reagan or something but here's the thing like in that very same scene if you look in the if you look in the general trivia they actually have something about SJWs so why wait a minute they say it's like a pejorative against people that are something something social justice I forget exactly oh oh yeah it says SJW was an acronym for the pejorative term social justice warrior that's the general so while they are essentially insulting other people and mocking the faith of others they're also playing I mean I definitely think that there's no mistake that that's what they're doing didn't they do like the episode the one after where they said that like Starlight had rediscovered her religious I think they're just mocking the fact that people say that as an empty platyce people who don't even believe in any particular faith will say thoughts and prayers what I think they're doing is they're mocking people who genuinely use that in their faith because they like you don't believe that it has any meaning that they think that because it's because they don't have that faith because they don't believe in it because they think that it's worthless that's why they're mocking it and in effect they are mocking the religion at the same time I don't think that's a stretch at all I mean you look at what Hollywood does like every single thing that they do like it's always they depict a Christian it's always in negative in the first season of the show they had the camp where every single person there was like depicted as being some like ultra zealot bigot type person it's very obvious what they're doing and they're mocking it because they think even in this one and they do it in the next one too they frame it positively that Starlight has rediscovered her faith seriously I honestly targeting as far as I can say the targeting people who use empty platitudes and that's one of the most commonly used ones as an example the thing I'm tipping my fedora too hard like what part of this is me tipping my fedora I think I have pretty good references here I mean like I said people who aren't even a part of any faith will say it well a lot of people say it because it's like a meme now I think common it is I almost feel like thoughts and prayers the word prayers in that connotation almost at this point doesn't even refer to actual praying yeah like I pray to God or something when you say like an expression it doesn't necessarily mean you're sitting down and you know it's weird that if you want to make the claim the show is very anti-religion which by the way there are references for it does have a character regain their faith I don't think that Starlight regained her faith at all she does she doesn't regain her faith can she say that she thinks God exists because Butcher did something good I'm pretty sure it is like literally she said God exists because Butcher did a good thing across and everything what they do with Starlight essentially is they have her reject her faith and then find a new more palatable version of it is essentially what happens I need to skip it she's not finding her faith she's just twisting it to find something that is agreeable she's got to be something else out there more than us and she puts on the cross around her neck so that's part of being accepted specifically the religion that she grew up with you think right which is Christianity of some sort that's some denomination I guess I'm just saying like I don't think that the thoughts and prayers the criticism of it is based on religion I think it's based on the broader idea that it's a platitude that oftentimes doesn't mean a lot I think if it was only used in a purely meaningful but like an earnest way it wouldn't be used in this context because it's mocking people using it because it's become a meme that people do that in place of or they say that and they act as if they've actually done something and that's what you're mocking I completely agree with you but it's still it still seems very clear that the major mocking of it like if you look on twitter and other social media stuff the primary mocking of it is not as that it has become a general platitude it's that it doesn't do anything because ha ha your God doesn't exist but they specifically use the platitude here it's very specific it's the phrase thoughts and prayers that's being mocked I like that's the phrase being used specifically I again I understand that but it's not it's not that they're mocking the platitude of it they're mocking the symbolism of it and they're using it in the over generic platitude manner that's how people mock it on social media when something bad happens and they want to mock it they're going to say thoughts and prayers that's how they do it but the intent the initial intent is to mock the faith of those that genuinely believe it but regardless of any of that stuff regardless of any of that stuff in this very scene you have the clear mockery of various groups and even orange man bad but at the very same time in the general trivia you have playing the victim card like even though they are attacking and insulting other people that they disagree with or that they don't like or whatever they're still pretending like they are the victim they're labeled an SJW and that's in the general trivia it doesn't show it in the actual show it's health but it is a pejorative though right like even though I it is definitely a pejorative yeah it's people who are shitty people generally and do terrible things or have terrible actions whether or not it's a pejorative that should be used whether or not it's an accurate one is different to whether or not it is a pejorative it is and plus I don't know how much I want to use trivia against them also in regards again to the reason it's thoughts and prayers and then it couldn't be considered strictly anti-religion would be because when someone say the school is shot up saying like oh you have my thoughts and also people saying not offering any particular tangible aid rather they put out a tweet saying you have my thoughts and prayers it's not necessarily anti-religion I've never seen it that way yeah I've never seen it used as an anti-religion thing it's anti the sentiment of thoughts and prayers being used religion don't have so the religion don't have a full control over they have prayers sure but they don't have thoughts and so any normal person can say you have my thoughts and they're making fun of that as well it's not strictly religion it can't be people say thoughts and prayers all the time about anything you see it everywhere it's a very good on the surface there's nothing to say in terms of if you're going to interpret it in good faith it's like oh that's kind of you the fact that I'm on your mind and you're going to pray for me to be better off but a lot of people see it as a cop out you don't actually care you're saying this just because you can't come up with anything else to say not your religion is bullshit like that's really ever been the sentiment I've detected that's what we're saying I agree with you but still the primary the primary mockery originates from the idea that your prayer is irrelevant and it doesn't do anything and if you don't believe that it works then that's fine you know whatever to each their own but the fact of the matter is when people are genuinely offering that they are making an appeal to who they believe is the most powerful being in the universe and whether you believe it or not is irrelevant they believe that it's true and they are making a genuine attempt to make an appeal on behalf of someone else and this is where the thing comes in because you have people oh well that doesn't do anything okay that's fine you can believe that but again it just becomes the mockery of the faith like haha you're praying you're an idiot that doesn't do anything kind of stuff right so I don't want to drag this out too much but like we're having a conversation so I don't believe there's enough references to prove that I think if you were going to say that's the sentiment of episode 5 in season 1 I would completely agree with you I'd be like yeah they're trying to shaft religion hardcore in this episode but with that reference there I'd be like no I think they're just gunning for people who have empty platitudes yeah I think so too I think one of the key things is like the delivery right and it's one of the key deliveries every time somebody does this joke it's like yes thoughts and prayers like it's this really quick thing that they just throw out yeah every time I've seen it reference that's how it's done yeah whereas I feel like you know if there was actually an instance of somebody saying like my thoughts and prayers and then they actually went over sat down and prayed that this show would not make fun of that I don't think that I don't think that I don't believe that that's something that they do I've seen that sort of thing like constantly on social media anytime something happens and you see you see someone like you know an account like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence or whoever right pick pick pick whoever they you know they'll say they offer their thoughts and prayers for someone else and then you just see like there's always going to be lots of reply saying you're an idiot your man in the sky doesn't exist blah blah blah like that's the mockery that I'm talking about like it's not it's not based on the platitude is based on the fact that they're just outright insulting the person who has that faith and again you can think that it's worthless or relevant or whatever but it doesn't matter because that person is making a genuine sincere attempt and an appeal to who they believe is a force capable of making change and again you might can we not apply this to SJW's what's that can we not apply this to SJW's because they really believe in their heart of hearts that what they're doing is good I mean they believe it it's real to them it's very earnest and very sincere I think I think the more pertinent thing I guess here is like I don't want to pull from what other people you know like for instance somebody who derides thoughts and prayers may well be deriding religiousness you know like theism or anything like that as well but like I don't want to apply that to this specific context in this show what other people on the internet do like other people may well do that but I don't know that that applies to this specific instance in this show is kind of why I'm doing that I would say there is no doubt that given the other things including the scene that we literally just saw the Joker analogy type thing there is no doubt in my mind that the intent behind this remark and the other ones related to it are meant as mockery like there's just too much of a pattern if it was like a one off then I would say okay sure but when you have like this much stuff being repeated ad nauseum in such a blunt way like I just can't I can't like put aside the idea that like yeah this is what they're doing like they're trying to be insulting they're trying to be mockering but anyways yeah like I said I believe they do do that at certain points I'm not convinced on this one I don't think the references are strong enough I think that appealing appealing to the broad sense that they're making like that hollywood hate christianity or that this show hates christianity at this point like I don't necessarily disagree with that also a lot of people are citing that we're hardcore atheistic right now has nothing to do with our arguments I just don't think that this show in this specific instance is making fun of religion I think it's making fun of the platitudes that people give that's all we fucking said but everyone's like up in arms that we're shitting on christianity they're up in arms again they're shitting all over me it's really weird that they're like hyper targeted rags when Fringy and I have said that we completely agree with rags I have to be completely honest with you right now I am genuinely surprised that people are agreeing with me in the chat because I would have expected to be well because they would rather believe that than believe it was just a conversation on platitudes I think because they see a lot of persecution for faith with religious Hollywood products which by the way I'm not against that idea I think that is true to a degree like I said season one blatant as fuck with that making fun of people saying thoughts and prayers as a definitive attack on the people of faith saying what they believe in is nonsense I'd be like oh I think you're drawing more out of that than what they're probably aiming for which is platitudes that's what I interpret I don't see enough evidence for the opposite I would say that it's a continuation I would say that it's a continuation of a sequence of other stuff and they even do it again in the next episode there's another joke about thoughts and prayers I don't remember that one we can continue though because I think I think we it's been thoroughly explored I mean who says this because it's Stormfront who says it right I think it was Homelander actually Homelander's are they both religious Stormfront almost certainly is a shoe Homelander is we don't know is Homelander actually religious though I don't know if he is he might play it he might play that card but I don't think he actually is someone said why would we not believe it for the reasons we've seen them do it before it's like because that's not how proof works it's not how motivation works the fuck are you talking about let me see it's a very specific instance that we don't think says anything more than it does Frank kills someone because they killed his wife or something and then he kills another person a year later I don't automatically go wow you killed Rags wife too that would be fucking stupid I mean so there are plenty of reasons they can involve each of these things we were discussing them like I love how much people move on it's like chill the fuck out we're having a chat Jesus Christ don't worry, God's apparently really powerful he doesn't need you to be on his side I think it'll be alright the idea that in 7 hours and 40 minutes we're on one topic you don't like Jesus don't bring up him he'll get really defensive about that guy let's talk about Jesus but it was checkmate Christians thoughts and prayers isn't religious confirmed on EFAP I don't remember a say with that fuck me I just checked by the way it was Stormfront and it wasn't I obviously missed she says that thoughts and prayers go out such and such and they're going to be making a donation that's basically how it plays out in the scene even in the episode if they're religious and they're saying it because they're being earnest that's weird that they do it with these characters if they're not being earnest and they're saying that in a religious sense then what we're saying is correct so I'm listening to the scene there's a line that's interesting where Homelander says that the godless and human supervillain started pouring across our borders that was like the oh and also he mentions one nation under God as well it's trying to figure out is that something he really believes or is he just playing it up well I don't think he believes it I don't think he does either but I also want to point out that this again goes back to Kitten Hitler where Kitten Hitler again because we've seen this many many times like there's they take something and then they try to associate it with bad people therefore they make the connection that like in the simplistic you know whatever way of thinking this is bad excuse me this is okay but Homelander thinks it's good and Homelander is bad therefore it's bad so like you can say this with the memes you can say this with whatever the other stuff that they were doing Stormfront was doing throughout the entire season and you can also do it with this like it I get what you mean in the sense that the thing of the show is commentary being so overt and the crack that it follows makes it hard not to read into a lot of stuff but I do think that because I mean for instance they use the word SJW like unironically in like Stormfront it's used in the same way like every time in the shows it's just one of those things that slaps me out but also reminds me that this is all pulled from like internet discourse and I think that yeah I think at the beginning of the show the writers had like this big list of things they were like on a whiteboard somewhere they're like stuff that's bad and then they just have like everything and they have like Stormfront and Homelander keep doing it like let's make fun of disabled people let's you know they have memes they have you know the egalitarianism like you know the religious stuff like all these different things like you know they're bad so we're going to make Stormfront and Homelander do them and then by association our viewers will think that these things are bad as well I mean it's such a such a transparent tactic like you know if you want to sway someone's opinion you have to do it in a slightly more subtle and you know welcoming kind of manner but I mean this just seems like in general I would advocate that in terms of writing in general but I don't know that I think that it's wise to in general try and specifically push a point or a specific one like a hyphus what's that sorry oh I agree with you completely but the show creators are dumb and they're doing yeah I guess what I mean is like I tend to find that in the stories that I like if there's a point that's trying to be made it's usually some really fundamental principle or like moral or some kind of you know like instead of being this hyper specific these specific political talking points are bad it's usually like so here's like a good method for approaching a situation or a good method for dealing with life or like some kind of or if they are going to talk about you know political things not necessarily giving an answer but trying to explore the topics earnestly and debate them and have them go up against one another I just think that that's generally a better way to approach writing because oh yeah because you know plenty of people will feel as though you just shout on them just because you must hate them there's no ultimate point trying to make or balanced point you're trying to make well it's just um you know if if a stories if like stories are meant to try and explore ideas like exploring is very different from telling somebody you know what and of course you know when you're telling somebody what you think versus telling somebody what to think I think are uh quite different as well yeah but exactly and and I agree with you entirely and that like that's like I think yeah I just think people don't like being Hollywood doesn't feel that way it doesn't feel that way a lot of the time it feels like uh this is how you should think and if you don't you're wrong like that's basically it well yeah though but it yeah if someone's advocating that you should think a certain way then of course if you don't think that then they do think you're wrong yeah well yeah but I guess it's the idea that um you know like it's it's it tends to be funny right because like whether or not I agree with a particular branch of politics I tend to be pretty frustrated where the social commentary is just so limp well it's just stating it and it's on the nose and yeah yeah it's TLJ it's like look at these people who've benefited from a free market dab them it's like okay benefited from the free market I mean it's more than just like okay you're you're wrong you know I disagree with you like it's it's if you don't if you don't agree then you are the worst person to ever exist and everything about you is bad like that this show can certainly color people like that in that light and go to the extreme onto it definitely one of the negatives of the show is how like like how this episode started is just off the rails crazy we were at least where you just have to laugh at it because of how ridiculous it is like you know how 1984 isn't actually all that obvious about who it's trying to tell you to watch out for how it actually applies to a broad swath of people yeah you know you're right because all kinds of different political persuasions you know both sides will appeal to that being the other side they'll be like you're doing 1980s like no you no you it's like a big fight over I guess which is helpful for the person who made the book so they can be enjoyed by both teams but yeah so wait oh the next scene is the next scene the one where Lamplight now wants to leave and cause problems for this entire episode well one extra contrivance is that they happen to catch a news report saying that Starlight has been captured Starlight is now an enemy of the state or something you know another convenient news bulletin yeah like if Lamplight doesn't actually want to go Huey has no like oh yeah yeah you're right yeah but had they kept watching porn it wouldn't have worked out just sayin this is a message that you shouldn't watch porn or at least interrupt your porn watching and check the news you might catch something important at least my porn has a happy ending and the news is all fucking depressing yep so yeah we could probably do this relatively fast because he convinces Lamplight to go with this really weird speech about fucking and everything oh there's lots of they say yeah they say cock a whole bunch the scene with Butcher and his dad I don't know if we should even I mean I yeah I don't know what to make of that whole thing it's nice to see Denethor we find out that Lenny killed himself I think and Butcher's mad and he blames his father probably rightfully so based on what we know about him well yeah I mean the only point being made here seemingly is that this puts off Butcher from ever wanting to be a dad I think because he thinks he'd fuck up his kid which is a little bit annoying to have it be the episode before the important moment where that's tested they time this setup right before the payoff they time up every setup about 40 minutes before the payoff the almond joy was set up episodes before the payoff like 2 oh man something that isn't really that important at all that setup but this critical fundamental character development comes 40 minutes before it's important but yeah then there's another scene where Homelander and Stormfront go visit the kid yeah we haven't really gone that plot line that just ends with him getting kidnapped by Homelander but like willingly not really kidnapping but you know what I mean and then yeah Maeve stuff which I don't care about and then what what else is happening oh French and Kimiko they start learning the language yes they start learning at 7 episodes if it hasn't become clear already we can skip so much of what happens in these episodes which is again what I think people felt like this season was filled with air rather than just concerning when this is 8 episodes go ahead I think there's only really two things left in this episode which is what why are they killing themselves why are they killing themselves yeah and then the the heads and that's really it although god it's so stupid how lamp lighter gets inside thing again they lampshade I believe is the term they point out how dumb this is but that doesn't help how dumb it is well I'm talking about even before the elevator like there's the gigantic door sized vent without a fan behind it why didn't he say he and he and someone else had it installed man used to sneak girls in there but it still doesn't explain why there wouldn't be a fan behind the giant door sized vent oh why like I guess nobody found out about it right yeah because that is a major security breach right there but I guess they just never found out so it's fine and here's the tamper it still works yes they have that uses like biometrics but they also have like a screen door that lets you get in it doesn't make any sense the fact that and you think that as soon as he gets put in it's like hey lamp lighter just checked into the building check that out that should flag on the system the opening of that particular place should flag on the system the fact that someone's accessing it there should probably be a security guard here anyway I love that he says if this doesn't work a bunch of dudes are just gonna show up with guns in a second it's like oh oh lucky you I guess that sounds awful okay we'll just carry on even if that's gonna happen whatever vault tower should be a fortress and they just basically stroll right in there should be cameras absolutely everywhere there should be a camera watching the elevator there should be a camera in the elevator I mean like there's no way there should be cameras in the 7's room well who cares why would it matter if there's cameras they don't have motion cameras who cares oh yeah that's right yeah we saw all the good the last cameras in there too a human being needs to be checking all of those cameras at all times to make sure that a fat guy sitting in a in a security room I mean like we saw that at the facility the seat rover whatever I drew him on e-fab gaming as tech support guy there should be a guy why isn't there a guy well it should be that guy from south park in the TSA episode just jacking off all of the cameras of all these people they managed to get into the room and then lamplighter realises that they've taken them off the statue which of course they have just before jumping to that I was gonna say should we comment I don't know if this is in character or not but you're threatened to kill a bunch of innocent people to convince wogelbaum that kind of lines up with the baby killing so yeah um yeah I suppose is uh we believe that butcher would or maybe he's lying you know I feel like it should be in character but at the same time I feel like the character is bluffing like yeah I don't know it could be bluffing obviously we'll never see whether he was or not but uh it's funny I say I hope he was bluffing but I mean it would help explain the baby killing thing but I don't think they want to commit to that no I don't think they do um yeah but lamplighter kills himself next which is great because that's what we needed in order to have you know tension oh no our guy not lamplighter oh no I believe if only we were recording um when he did this I believe I said like how does this free starlight I was like how could this possibly do it other than they just cut to the emergency light I was like wow well as it turns out they installed an emergency light into the room they built specifically to make sure that starlight couldn't break out good job guys in in fairness that room has actually been there for quite a while and I I mean they put her in it that room quite a bit that's how he knows that like how it works and stuff but like but they put her in it is the point like so they would know that this would be the potential I guess there was no one else they could put her can she use her light blasty powers without her hands would binding them have helped I don't know only if they use duct tape only duct tape you know that stuff that's useful stuff and then the fact I mean this entire sequence is just baffling in the sense that nobody is around there's no security there's nobody like responding to the fact that she's broken out nobody cares nobody goes to empty the bonfire in the sevens yeah the vengeance headquarters this is like well it gets funnier we need we need lamp lighters hand to get past security after he self-immolated yeah finger skin doesn't usually stay intact after it's been sizzled off not very good anyway would you say that's even a kiwi's character that he would do something like that because I'm not sure where his character is at this time I don't know that's a good question I guess he's desperate Starlight gets jump-scared by black and white he just kind of pops out from the side and grabs her and throws her through a wall oh yeah oh and also he misses a kiwi by like five seconds she gets thrown into the seven rooms these are the same rooms it's identical yeah lamp lighters and they're fighting lucky he didn't run into black noir otherwise kiwi's dead look what one blast did to black noir in this screenshot I might just send it to you guys I'm watching the scene so this is what we call effective this is doing some good damage and she decides to not use it again in the entire scene because she's really fucking stupid and then try and run away from him by going past where he is and don't even try to argue there's no electricity that room is filled there's greed she's getting hit next to a screen oh oh and she almost forgets black noir's even there she continues to walk and he grabs her when she's facing away from him like oh no what did you think would happen oh you're still here you might not want me to escape you see many babies have to learn object permanence as one of the first lessons in life and starlight hasn't quite gotten there yet one day yeah we got black noir he's winning he's doing great and then teleports into the room and puts almonds in him and he's out for the next episode yep and the reason I'm assuming the reason you mentioned it that way is because had black noir seen her coming would have been a lot harder for her to do this but she manages to sort of sneak into the room and behind him and yeah I guess maybe is stronger than black noir I guess right that has to be it he does struggle with it yeah why didn't he close his mouth why did he let her he didn't it's not even that like he closed his mouth like you can see that he the actor actually opens his mouth and then chews like I wouldn't chewed my if it was me I wouldn't chewed I probably wouldn't have either I don't know who's stuff and stuff in my mouth but I don't trust it I don't care if someone stuffs a delicious lobster tail into my mouth from behind me in surprise I can't chew and eat Matt what if it was a poison lobster tail you don't know he's not resisting at all he's like not resisting her one arm is stronger than both of his his arms yeah I guess Queen Maeve really is very very very very strong hey girls good job why is she so afraid of homelander then again all we have to go on is what they show us so power level wise homelander is above Maeve but Maeve is above black noir even though black noir which stood an explosion dude that is actually really funny he just opens his mouth yeah he does he's like noom do you also there's another little general trivia for this scene do you know do you know why they did this so I already explained at the beginning of our stream why what black noir actually was in the comics and like it was this amazing story twist and all sorts of stuff like that so in the show they decided to go with the tree night allergy because the stuntman for black noir has a tree not allergy and they thought it would be funny to include it what no then that's why they shouldn't use it that is the trivia but then he'll get hurt oh well they didn't use a real one that didn't actually but more it's not a good reason to do anything in your story ha funny funny yeah little did we know the stuntman actually he's fucking died we give it to him I don't know it doesn't sound like a good reason to me it's pretty I like the idea that Maeve ran to a vending machine and she's she's inserting a dollar into it and it doesn't accept it she has to unfold the corners you guys are nitpicking she would keep it on hand in case black noir ever became a problem you guys are saying all of the seven have a spare almond joy in their suit it's like Batman having a small piece of kryptonite what it's like a a handful of almond the cool thing about kryptonite is that it's not easily attainable and almond joy so how is black noir going to be a threat to anybody ever again if you convert that into a board thing you convert your chocolate bar into a gas just have bullets to have almond bars in them have a knife laced with almond knife laced with almond so this we gotta talk about this because it's not actually like it's all consistent well the allergy being a thing and him reacting to it this way so many people were so annoyed that this was the end of the fight oh i wonder why i think that after seven episodes they're like oh my god super hero fight starlight vs black wait did you guys run out of money or what happened they sure as held in run out of money i can refide ending because you're like more the heart attack or the almond joy oh yeah the ways get saved by some damn yeah yeah we'll tell you three times over as well maves saves her in the finale right so she saves her twice hot attack saves her and an allergy saves her good job stall it i want to know who there are people out there who think that the the superhero fight at the airport in civil war is shit and probably think that this stuff is top tier i want to know who these people are like put them on a list do it so um yeah maybe it's like go and of course um kiwi is running away just to find uh starlight and he bumps into starlight's mom because you can hear her saying help so she is now rescued that's pretty convenient starlight's mom was just there at bought tower what was she doing yeah they had a captive because they used her to get starlight and then she was like hey help me the alarms oh my god and then he was like oh i'll help you person hello oh it's the mom you think she'd be like in a locked room or something but i was not he unlocked it with lamp lighters hand oh i got you yeah well i guess like i mean like security personnel and stuff but they're just no nobody's in the tower except for black noir and may they're the only two people ran away because of the alarm they go fixed it yeah they were scared of the alarm rings can i point out the stupidity of may be black noir alive even after he poisoned him no they'll be fine he survives and i mean if he recovers which he inevitably will and make this kind of goes into a stupidity in the next episode where she like doesn't help it's like you do realize that the guy with the super healing factor who's like currently in the hospital like if he wakes up you're fucked because he's gonna tell everybody that it was you that did it and then homelander is gonna come and kill you if you have super healing wouldn't any like not allergy immediately disappear because it would heal i don't know how it works i don't know i don't know if someone maybe they would argue like because he's a super duper the allergy like hits him harder than normally maybe he has a super allergy yeah head pool with cancer she kicks away his epic pen assuming that's what it is if she walks off you'd be like wait maybe what if he has a second one what if he just falls over to the epic pen maybe he's the goal to kill him is it because you need to do more than that she's very clever but of course why would may worry when she's got the greatest blackmail ever prepared fringy like she'll just use that a video yeah i thought this was the last scene in the episode oh yeah we're close to the last scene in the episode ryan is upset that his mum has lied to him well no we just forgot tizm kiwi runs into starlight in the middle of a giant skyscraper so at least kiwi was going to the holding cells and that's why he bumped into the mum at least there's something there why did starlight go here maybe she was going for a mum that explains it did she even know that her mum was here though i don't have any clue did mayve tell her that or something no i don't think mayve told her um but yeah they all meet up really quickly in escape because that's the thing we gotta get this episode sort of tied off which is to kill lamp lighter and get starlight freed that's like the two things um so ryan's mad at the mum because the mum has lied to him and not told him there's a whole wide world out there and she fails to mention to him that this is all vorts doing not hers she just lets him be mad and then of course he wants to leave with homelander and does so it's weird she never appeals to the facts that vort have orchestrated all of this to a degree and that homelander is the reason that they're not allowed outside because he's a psycho she just doesn't try any of this kind of reminds me of um a certain character in a certain game when asked why he did something something specific it's annoying when characters don't defend themselves nooo let stuff happen i don't buy that ryan would be so angry at the woman who raised him that he would go with a man who threw him off of a roof um like regardless of what he told him also i think like this there's probably not ever really a good time to kind of tell ryan how he was conceived but perhaps that information would have swayed him yeah now is the time it might you know hey you know the the guy you're about to fly off with kind of you know had a um uh persistent hugging problem so you know maybe okay it's all so tiresome as they say we can skip the fucking butcher when we kind of covered that um yeah so then as the court scene everyone's head explodes it's all very confusing and that leads us into the next episode because it's not really anything we can say about that until we also we talk about AOC's big reveal yeah so that was the episode that got everybody very upset um naturally and i think it was perfectly made to piss off people who in favor of this show in terms of they put the stupid stupid scene at the beginning and then they had the same kind of writing they've been having all season after it and so it was way easier to see the shitty writing when you're like knocked out immersion wise um so like it was handcrafted to say hey hey we're not very good just so you know well i think i think it's the whole idea that uh if you get if your suspension of disbelief is snapped you kind of see what you're watching for what it is yeah when you're no longer primed to like the show and want to really like the show don't take this as me saying um like ha ha you sheeple were knocked it's like no this happens to me all the time where i'm enjoying something oh it happened to me and i'll be like no that's that thing i didn't even notice all that thing is fine but as soon as like the glamour is removed of like i'm starting to see things now things i didn't want to see the first time i saw uh star wars episode one i thought it was amazing and then on hind side of mind maybe not there's gonna be some people in chat who are like you were right bad to know guys and i'm innocent bad who was was it uh ben Shapiro who said it was better than revenge was the worst he said it was worst right right what do you say was better than this was worst um i can't remember you had some revenge of the sith down really low like surprisingly low but i kind of can't remember yeah because the actual correct order for the films uh is five four six three uh either one or two probably yeah one two and then uh seven ah it gets hard at the sequels try to figure out where they fit um also yeah that's not to say that a whole bunch of people didn't already like dislike this season like we did i did see plenty of people in the discord being like yeah i've not been liking it or some people who said like they dropped out at episode three which is an episode i totally understand you dropping out on um but again like shit tons of people were like this one's good um so i guess we'll carry on um rags and i kind of did coverage for this one on a different stream but there's no reason not to uh get it all in this one big package here so yeah we we start off really perplexed with a video about you know if there's a super terrorist in your school what do you do and the immediate thing is there haven't been any super terrorist attacks what not even one except wait except except the telekinetic that's the only one you could argue but even that one's really dodgy if anybody had seen any of it it's absurd this season wants to convince us there's so many attacks that now schools have to prepare super terrorists taking them down yeah at least after 9 11 happened you know and everything you know got changed in terms of the way we viewed security in the world and stuff like that was a really big deal totally unprecedented in this show you don't have that similar build up to the fear and paranoia that's caused by it's just caught in effect right like the reason why sport security was amped up was because a terrorist attack using aeroplanes occurred whereas here it's like what's happened there was a super terrorist in an apartment building many many weeks ago and nothing's happened since but now they're teaching kids about what to do in the case of a super terrorist coming into a school and even then like what is your plan there's nothing that you can do it for sure unless you're dealing with a vomit one please knock him over and he'll inevitably kill himself kick him in the gut kick him in the stomach and also it's one of the starkest examples here of how they've totally forgotten that the whole point of season one was to get them to go on foreign missions in like Afghanistan and stuff that's just not happening anymore I mean even one of the one of the quote the memes that was used for to make him popular again was better there than here was one of the memes you're right but they've forgotten about it like it's not even a thing anymore it does very little superhero work I feel like we skipped a season like it's so crazy it's like there's so much work you guys have to do to earn this it's like no there's super villains everywhere maybe you're like okay and of course it's been convinced to the people by the memes which leads us into the next scene which by the way I'm almost certain that PSA is to help support the next scene which is the government are now panicking about super villains and they want to buy compound v from vort in order to throw I can't believe they fucking say that I was so thrown out they want to give it to first responders yeah what are you suggesting it's gonna be like EMTs and paramedics have super randomly random generated superpowers I thought useful if you're an EMT I thought the way it worked was you provide a compound v shot to a young person they will eventually be able to assuming they don't die they will then eventually develop powers possibly and the power could be anything so if you just inject a whole bunch of first responders most of them apparently will die a lot of them will develop powers that are useless to their job like the vomit one what exactly are they going to do with that the new compound v is stable for adults so they can basically take the new compound v I thought they hadn't developed it yet that was the point of the facility is that a part of the time skip who the fuck knows at this point because if they already have it then what's the point of the facility and keep doing the tests well that's what I figured best to work on what we were doing at the facility those adults were given those people were given compound v as an adult so like they weren't done clearly I thought it was that the email we looked at it said 88% complete so I mean you can assume that they're I guess they're in 100 now I guess they wrap that up either way can you imagine being an EMT and like getting a superpower which is the acid puke and then like I'll get some out of a job now who the fuck would agree to this if you're an EMT would you be like you have a random chance of gaining one of many many powers one makes your dick enormous you'd be like and of course I would be the fuck up so it feels like our our total inversion of in reality if what happened in the courthouse compound v is gone as a thing over because this is obviously a super hero that did this this is a superpower that someone's using we're not going to give everyone this power we looked at how paranoid a lot of people are about just firearms it's so hard to believe it is like there's so many ways this goes wrong are you really going to have volunteers for this I just I don't see it oh we're going to shove them all into our first responders in front line people are like okay whatever and your vote are going to make a huge amount of money off of it and the AOC character is like isn't it clear that the vote are the ones behind all of this and he's like doesn't matter the president subverting the FDA on this one it's like you would you'd think that after all the shit that we've seen the last thing anyone in this world would want except Vaught is to get this shit destroyed to never ever have it be a thing ever to make it illegal to get rid of all traces of it to destroy the research involved with it to not allow any company to produce it but it's the opposite that happens this is a really bad episode by the way just the tips of I went back only three episodes in sorry we're only three episodes in oh god we'll be here forever we'll never leave head popping convinces them to make more as opposed to less being a Yahtzee makes them decide no but why would it matter she's already been she's already taken out the equation so like she's bad but the thing is she's been Anakin Skywalker and she's also in custody so she can't do anything anymore we have the head popping problem so are you just gonna like yeah we know it's categorically proven that the head popping thing is beyond storm front because the dumb ass pops ahead when storm front is in hospital so that means that means there's more than sorry did we even address the whole we can see that her eyes go white whenever she pops heads but apparently no one never noticed that that's being televised and recorded I did rewatch the scene what they do that's commendable is that she's got sight on every single person that explodes but her eyes are clearly not going through what I don't even know what you'd call it because her eyes don't glaze over when she kills someone it's after she kills someone I guess it doesn't happen in the courtroom scene like at all oh and that's a pretty big fuck up I'm willing to agree that that's like an actual the kind of thing we were referencing earlier with a continuity sort of you could argue that the CGI people could have done it but they just didn't, I don't know there's no reason why they couldn't have put a little glint in her eye like a small one and that everyone in the courtroom just didn't happen to catch it it's annoying but like I just think that was a really good point about how like the government are fully convinced we need to arm all of our forces even our first responders with Cobb-Pabby but they decided against it once they find out Stormfront blew up the heads and she's connected to Nazis I don't really see how that connects to be honest with you hmm I'm trying I'm really trying but I don't know because the concern is like full on terrorisms and obviously it would go beyond Stormfront or we already know that even before someone's head explodes Stormfront because the head explodes are blamed on her which by the way since when was that an ability of hers does everyone actually believe it it's just like yeah she can just pop heads I guess yeah people just accept that even though it's pretty clear what her powers are I guess not though so they spent the time they could have spent on the CGI albibs there should we CGI this really important scene here that could cause issues with our stories shitty memes that's sort of the memes sort of VFX studios so we'll probably return to that I guess we'll continue so this episode like I said you're trying to get over that scene and they just throw you right into a scene where you've got several people with torches you got dogs and you have helicopters with spotlights somehow chasing butch's wife what is her name Becca she managed to climb over the wall be it with a grappling hook or whatever else without anyone stopping her despite the cameras and then she managed to be this close to people chasing her and she escapes them as I think many people agree escaping dogs at this point that's really hard so dogs are that's why they bring the dogs really good at this yeah like me watch the myth busters stuff about this like man we've been using dogs to track people for a long time dogs are useful we got those we got the super SNFs that's their superpower that's all those scouts would have been helped when butch did the thing there would have been what sorry also doesn't she have a tracker on her oh right that's another thing silly me for not remembering that of course she would be tracked because that's how the fuck would you the kid would have been tracked too so I want to know how she escapes from the facility like there's no way she can climb over the wall she said she wanted to go for a smoke break and they let her out I guess there's no way there's absolutely no way she could have gotten over the wall she's a stay at home mom she's not like a triathlete she's not a smoke at home mom it all makes sense why are they chasing her the packages her kid they don't want her getting away because she's the one that they think is going to be able to turn mini homelander into a good person Gus Frank says this a little bit later I like the idea that that apparently would just be like yeah you can walk right out that door no problem at all just the idea that they've lost the package and so they see her climbing over the wall they're like yeah whatever I just like the whole idea with the kid anyway it's like oh we're just going to keep this kid in here until it's like 18 years old I don't know and it's like oh by the way there's like a whole outside world yeah that'll work well with homelander and protect America it's like excuse me if young adults have never reacted like irrationally to any kind of that kind of stimuli if a kid is super tough like homelander and everything he can't get hurt just let him live a normal life not a weird quasi lie of a life that he will inevitably discover that because he's going to grow up he's like oh I was actually robbed of my childhood so you're going to have homelander 2.0 someone said remember Becca points out she was better at shooting or something than Butcher was apparently she has training of some kind in the 3rd episode before they go to the grand finale oh there you go that's the least of the issues honestly there's like a frog right now she was better at shooting than Butcher says like oh yeah but you had a good trainer hmm yeah I mean being better at shooting doesn't mean that you have what is it what the hell is the name of that there's like an escape training thing and from what I understand she was uh what's that like tactical espionage no no no there's actually a military course I cannot for the life of me remember it it's like escape evasion resist something for someone might know what it is I can't think of it but anyways Becca in her previous like she wasn't military or anything like that I don't think she was involved in CIA she was like basically a secretary and she had like political and bureaucratic jobs and stuff like the only reason why she went to like the range was because that's what Butcher did and they just like went together and that's it and so they put out that oh yeah she's a better shot than her but that doesn't mean that she has the skills required to escape from the to be fair all it takes is your training there you go thank you we've seen plenty people do it's fine yeah all it takes is a grappling hook and convenient editing and you could just escape from anywhere someone said a chat so you guys don't like the boys what a surprise the only thing Mola likes is infinity war what yeah that's that's it that's the only thing they were specifically yeah just as long as you guys don't talk shit about infinity war we're all good that's what it's about it we're pro infinity war anti everything else fuck everything else though yeah those are weird comments like we were we were hyper critical of end game does that count for anything hope no we regularly say all the time that civil war is the best of the marvel mcu movies well redundant say marvel mcu the mcu movies should have talked about how great homecoming is we started this e-fap talking about how insanely good the haunting of bly manner is but all right in finesse boring show i mean you guys are pretty big fans of bat woman to oh bat woman is top bat woman is gold though everyone should watch bat woman was fucking great Burton speaking of gold i really appreciated the the setup with the the incredibly important pocket knife oh right yeah i mean like they they made sure to put it center screen and like they even zoomed in to make sure that like there was no way that you didn't notice it this one's funny they also added the noise like the unsheathed noise oh did they yeah that that's what knives sound like when you go i'll play that for chat in a second once one second clear cover but i was just going to say that um so again i love to picture the writing room they're like oh man this payoff is so fucking cool where she stabs stormfront wait wait wait where would she get a knife from and some other guys like oh shit yeah where could she possibly have a knife we'd have to set that up yeah there's no way to carry a knife yeah carrying a knife would be absurd if you're going to attack superheroes in any way shape or form like like just having a knife that's just an impossible we need to we need to show the people that she has a knife yeah it does do the shing sound you know what it makes me uh think of it's textbook like it's imagine the writers like opened chapter in a writing book and like it was chapter two checkoffs gun yeah and like like this is awesome we gotta put this in and like they it's like a like a fifth grade writing assignment like they they put it in in such a like a simplistic an obvious way like this oh my god i think a much better way for them to have set this up is during the scene when the boys and all of them were getting ready to go and grab ryan right you have all of them gearing up their loading weapons and this sort of stuff during that time you could have seen Becca like taking a knife and like folding it and putting it her in her pocket it would have been really subtle and it but it was still would have established the fact that oh she has the knife on her and that way when it gets pulled out and when she actually uses it like you may not have been thinking about it when you first saw it but the back of your mind would would recognize oh yeah i remember she put that in her pocket but instead they do this which is just like obvious and dumb yeah at least they set up the knife that's what i was being like high five that goodness that's gonna be useful for an eye stabbing later we're totally gonna get to it so we get a nice little what i buy call a throw away scene where he's like mum go away be careful and the mum's like okay and we get um a really weird scene i don't know how else to describe this one we're gearing up to attack the soups so we've got an RPG with electronics isms on it that's gonna try and take care of stonefront sweet we've got almond joys prepared for black noir uh what what can you i just like the idea that uh you you have a like a neutral cube room you spawn mm you spawn black noir mm's like i'm gonna die unless i have an almond joy thank fuck i do it's like alright what do you think you can do next show me like you walk up to it and stuff the chocolate bar it is like what are you pictures gonna happen mm try to like rub it on or something i guess i'm gonna give him some skin irritation all black noir has to do is get a mask that's not easily take off a ball i guess that you'll be okay baby yeah i guess it's a good thing he's got that mask yeah oh shuriken's at you which seem to be fairly effective yeah so and i've just got almond joy he's losing unless it for a train they have uh like is it like a adrenaline i forget what the thing they have they they're gonna fuck with his heart is the point they're gonna inject him in someone they'll fuck his heart up that's their plan so as far as they know a train can run fine um how do you propose injecting him with something when he can run that fast again the i just i just wonder about these things okay i'm just like you guys have these plans but you seem to have thought about zero seconds on how to execute any of them and so that's about it unless i was to rewatch and find more references you might think to yourselves wait how you dealing with homelander well they're gonna play a really loud noise and that's about it they're hoping that he'll be distracted by a really loud noise for long enough that nothing else could go wrong we're gonna come back to that so dumb also mel you sound dying like if you want to go to sleep it's totally okay i'm not going to sleep it's gonna be wrestling in two hours jeez there you go so yeah that's our plan we're loading up we're gonna kill any in all soups this is the big finale guys the boys versus the soups um this is the scene where she says Gus is smart for his kind i can't remember anything else that happens well isn't that oh right hold on let me uh let me skim forward a bit ah wait we're about to be walked to in terms of time stamp just uh because i was away for five minutes getting some coffee uh around about well we're on 9 30 now unless there was anything in the car ride you guys would want to oh nah not that isn't um what does she say she said something like why would you why would you come save me like as if you would need a reason beyond the fact that they care about each other and yeah they're clearly in a relationship and they care about each other that duh these two the show seems to forget that for some reason like they wanted is that to remind the audience she says after how i treated you remember and and it's like but you didn't like what what exactly exactly not badly what are you talking about enough that he would happily leave you to die like i i don't think i follow that one i don't get that yeah i don't think you've really done that was bad was kill that guy yeah he doesn't apparently doesn't even know about that so he doesn't even have to wrestle with that moral quandary besides the burger you're pretty cool yeah that little detail that would be great at the finale everything works out they're all chill it is like did you kill someone what did i dream that she's like oh what a terrible dream that was um yeah and so they go to mave in the hopes that they can recruit her for help she shouts at them he's like no you're stupid you're a twink and you're annoying i think is a summary um and as we said in the stream rags when i was like oh this is 100% going to be who saves the day it's clear as fuck that she's going to come in yeah little do we know uh that that would be the case but in a way that makes no fucking sense at all unfortunately yeah we it was pretty clear that we'd get a mavex makina we didn't think that it'd be like twice but and that neither i thought they justify them they could have a turn up for reasons other than you know um well by the way i don't know if someone mentioned this but they they say at some point that like noah has brain damage from the allergic reaction ah he'll forget yeah you'll forget you're right he's on the sidelines and they'll just bring him back whenever they want him back in the story in fairness they can argue that he didn't they've did it ah too osu strong no no no he'll just be like you know someone someone shoved a chocolate bar in my mouth they could have i don't know it's like were they really strong he's like you know i just don't remember you know surely they must have been if they could have done that to me i just feel like a normal person i wouldn't have allowed that to happen how about this do they not have records of where these trackers are going in all of our soups in which case check the history who was the tracks right behind the fingerprints on the vending machine that would work maves logic in this scene just makes no sense like she wants to stay out of it because she doesn't want to get in any more trouble but when black noir inevitably wakes up he's going to blame her which is going to put her in a potentially life-threatening situation so really the best option for her is to throw in with starlight and the boys to try to win that way because if she just like sits on the side like i don't see how she wins by not helping like yeah and the whole point of her having that footage was to use surely well i guess she's abandoned that right she's given up and and i think that's what they were implying it doesn't make sense but yeah that's what joe thinks has happened yeah every soups fingerprints would be on the vending machine rags like you i don't know i assumed you were fucking around i was fucking around about because remember when we did the joke about her she gets the pulls out her super wallet she gets a dollar bill or maybe she doesn't have one she has to hunt someone down and ask for change while this fight's going on if batman can have a back credit card she can have a mave credit card okay oh yeah maybe um in terms of problems with the episode this one's much smaller but i still think this is fucking retarded um you have the hideout the boys are underneath they're preparing above is their store the storefront it's like it's more of a like thing becker comes in saying butcher i need butchers with butcher and the guys up there are like huh there's a lady asking for you butcher come up that seems to be a major breach of how the security should probably work in this place butcher someone fucking knows you're here well not just that but like if someone if you let's just say we are the ones who are running the store for the boys looking after them someone comes in going oh my god can i speak to butcher and need him right now like i'll be like uh butchers next door like a person called butcher you uh like you're looking for the butcher yeah the shop yeah and then you're like hey uh one of you guys check if anyone here is called butcher that's a weird one uh checking the back i guess and then you can go down and be like shit someone's here right now asking for butcher you need to leave you need to get out of the back um but no they're like hey someone's looking and he comes to the fucking front of the store like can't exactly be funny if it was homelander butcher hey butcher there's a guy here and then lices everybody and it's funny because this would probably be major if not for the fact that they've treated it this way the whole damn season they just don't give a shit like ah it's so annoying but yeah she found the place because he gave it away as part of his things that he told it which again butcher just doesn't know shit he's an idiot he didn't tell her the address he just said that it's in xyz part of the city right like it's this area didn't you say what kind of store it was he just said it's a pawn shop in such and such store in such and such part of the uh the city did he give a street like what's that no he didn't give a street he just gave like a um um if you want put it on subtitles you'll probably see it but like he tells it's like a part of the city it's not a specific street but even then like it doesn't matter because if you've ever been to a city there's like pawn shops everywhere so yeah i was gonna say either he gave her too much information or not enough that she could find like how does she find the exact first of all how does she even get there like she teleported around the dogs and now she's teleported into the city and now she's in the area and there's like a dozen pawn shops and she just happens to go to the exact one well the funny part is that she's like a raving person and they're keeping her outside and I just like the idea that she went to the wrong one and she's demanding to see butcher people be like are you okay the butcher is across the street you are oh my god stop me uh yeah they're lucky they meet up they're all gonna prepare oh Gus and collective leader are talking about how they talk about how they've got they've got shit on stormfront in the middle of their conversation as well as saying that a train is out because of stormfront's tisms which she used to be a part of this she's not anymore they've got they've got info on it and tins out a train decided he would eavesdrop on this conversation I wonder how hot it is to open and close a door as a speedster in a way that wouldn't alert anyone or make a huge gust of wind you know what I mean yeah cause everything else is still as normal like if you open and close a door almost instantly like in a split second that's gonna go whoo what just what just happened but of course he manages to sort of maybe only opened it a little bit and then I don't know it's very strange but he hears it all which is gonna give him access to allow the destruction of stormfront just keep an eye on it it's gonna come back then the again we mentioned this before but it's a little bit hazier on it now what's the the line that Ryan says to homelander it's like a plus and then homelander is like she has a lot of sayings yeah it's like mom says you should always you know try and learn new things he said it's a good thing to do and homelander because he's a fucking imbecile instead of using that and said you know what your mom's right that is a good idea let me teach you a few things he says like oh how about you there's a lot of things to do cause homelander is an idiot yeah then they take him to planet vort to chill out for a bit it's mostly I'm just trying to edge us toward the big tisms oh he's a big tism so they're driving along sad that they couldn't get anything from mave and uh lucky for them a train has already stolen the information and he's gonna hand it over to these guys I suppose there's no real issue in terms of like relatively anyway the issue of him finding them will just assume that he found them because he's he does say like I just ran around the block and found you eventually yeah but I mean isn't he supposed to have like a heart condition or hope I guess that's gone now no no no you missed the scene where he said thank goodness I have been fixed of that issue thank you I understand it's not fair that he's there so the big problem with this scene is that he's an idiot again um a train is going he needs to give them sensitive information to burn storm front instead of waiting for them to be in a private area he waits he does it while they're driving on a main road which by the way they're gonna be freaked out that they see you so why would you risk them crashing the car which they kind of do by the way yeah narrowly yeah and then of course um you'd think like how are they gonna recover from this it's like well they will step out of the car and simply talk on the street as a train starlight and a criminal which by the way starlight has been criminalized by vort as well yeah yeah they don't crash the car and of course yeah you don't have any trouble with this loads of people walking by nobody cares they've seen a current respected member of the superheros hand a bunch of shit to criminals it's like hmm that seems a little dodgy why would you do this it's a broad day life so stupid um so yeah that's gonna become relevant real soon I think oh now yeah so we're onto the uh the Gus butchers scene um this is the one that has that that line where Gus says he can't being angry is a white man thing or something yeah yeah it's like being something along the lines of he doesn't have the uh the privilege to like to be angry it says the extremely famous rich actor extremely famous super rich CEO well I mean it's not his fault that that's the line yeah yeah it's just I don't blame him at all it's just it it's deliciously ironic coming from that actor playing this character it's fucking crazy it's just one of those it's one of those virtue signal moments like see we said the thing apparently he gets in trouble actually because he's um I think he's uh dating I don't know if he's definitely uh European hold on uh damn it they were all yeah they were like all mad at him throwing a fit forgetting Latin American roles yeah because he is uh he is well he was born yeah he was born in Denmark um I mean right yeah I know what the fuck but yeah let's uh let's what was what was the pertinent thing in that scene it was that they cut a deal and Butcher is going to turn over he's gonna just take his wife and not the son yes the the plan is uh you guys will sweep up Ryan I will be able to live a happy life with my wife if I can get you homelander away if I can get you the kid away from homelander deal and they're like yes they don't even question how it's possible well actually I think they do and and he's just like hey I'll take care of that it's like uh like why would you risk all of your man in vort if if are this crazy idea but I guess maybe they don't care they're like the first order in terms of just we'll just plug them in see what happens um it's it's a it's an insane plan and I don't see how anyone thinks any of it is gonna work um they are going to get homelander away from Ryan by setting up a bunch of speakers to play a loud sound and of course if you have super hearing that would be more annoying um I saw I think it was someone streamed so many we didn't even bring up had uh homelander taken Ryan with him to inspect the sound the whole plan would have fallen apart yeah yeah I didn't even thought that I was just like damn yeah it's lucky he left him behind I guess um because the idea that it's like no he left him behind because he knows it's safe in the cabin I'd be like okay number one you don't know that this could have been like if homelander had half a brain cell he could assume that this is a plan from somebody to Ryan's superhero so like I don't see what like what would be the concern storm front killing him or some shit I don't know um it's him destroying the sound things doesn't make sense either because like there's like 50 of them he chops off like 3 yeah he lasers like 10 of them and then all the rest of them just like stop working even though they're in perfect condition I guess it would look a little bit weirder if he was just going zigzaggy you know like you could cut the scene at him starting to laser and then yeah there's all different ways they could have handled that or they could just have like one big device like they didn't have to have you know a million other little things right well yeah um and it's it's just an odd idea they think that that's gonna like I'll be able to show visuals for it in a sec but we gotta we gotta meme everyone checking out it's a funny one oh that's good that's a good one his face is so perfect those faces fit really well they do good job they fit very well um well the scene that follows cutting the deal is like one of the few actually good scenes in the in the entire show oh yeah one last thing before we go to that one I guess is that uh butcher thinks that he can have ryan taken away and live happily ever after with becker yeah as if that's how is that an option fucking idiot yeah she would never ever stop yeah I mean she'd never forgive him for sure like why would he think that she'd be that's just that's her son like that's her child yeah she said the reason that they didn't leave together the first in the first place is because she said ryan's coming with us he already knows this won't work but that's the thing is like usually a fucking head man like you may have not grown up with this kid but she raised him so son you think she's just gonna be cool with abandoning him but butchers an idiot like is that ever was a fucking idiot this season um yeah this was a good scene that actually brings up another question when they were originally going to leave with becker ryan and butcher and they were gonna climb over the wall like how okay so butcher butcher well butcher can climb over himself becker doesn't have the upper body strength so maybe with help um like butcher could have helped her climb up over but what are they gonna do with ryan like yeah he has superpowers but he doesn't know how to use them they'll dig so are they gonna like put him in a basket and like and like call him over the the wall or something yeah fuck it let's just throw him over he'll be fine they can attach the grappling hook to his shirt and just pull him over the side or something maybe that is the answer he'd hold on to the rope while butcher pulls the rope up how about that or he'd say oh i'm gonna go for a smoke and they just hide in the car or something um so yeah this this scene is homelander talking about how you don't go from you don't automatically become a superman type you you move your way there you grow your way there and that uh even he has cried before it's like the one scene that i actually have this season i'm like hey this is a good scene i really like this scene and it stands out as being good compared to all the pretty much terrible ones uh or passable ones but this one was actually good and i want to know where this character has been this whole season yeah do you imagine they like all the writers came down with some kind of like food poisoning when they got an order and like the guy who you know cleans the room was like i can write this scene i guess while you guys are all of them yeah it's like when ringo wanted to write a song and so they were just like yeah all right sure right it's your song and then they looked at it and he's like oh shit this is actually really really good can you teach us how to do this but it was too late it was already down the hall into the whole thing and he was gone and there was song again except later yeah we we have that cool scene and then the next scene is in preparing for war while sending you know pitches to the press that stormfathers are Nazi um yeah and more memes like someone manages to make like okay so i can understand i can understand like images you could throw that stuff together in like two minutes but someone manages to make like a fully animated cartoon oh you're right yeah like within like within minutes of the announcement and the information getting out there some well guys they they suspected it i guess they just had a hunch that she was a secret Nazi laboratory experiment they just had it they called him crazy but he knew it and he he had this ready for that announcement and once it came the news came out he slapped upload it is a ultimate indication oh my god i made a Nazi version of like every single one of them and this one's finally going to be relevant like he would go upload upload and then i think what what a chemico and uh friend she talked about in the scene right before like oh they're talking about her like freezing up over a storm front yeah so not really important at all honestly it feels like something that doesn't seem important to anything that was happening what the fuck is this animation i just i just managed to get it on stream for everybody Nazi storm front hitler's star i guess these are lyrics run her over with a car nice nice oh what did she she said uh she she used the word the term white genocide in this scene before that right yeah yes yes it's another one of those it just slapped you totally out in the whole thing internet terminology it feels like they didn't even really earn that i i get that she's racist but she thinks there's a white genocide now like damn i don't know where this came from the weird one i think she would have alluded to it could we never really got the whole race message that they ever put out to anybody you know but why is she saying it to a kid who's totally divorced from the political landscape yeah well he has no idea what you're talking about he's just confused he's like also i didn't like homeland is confused well i was gonna say homeland is stupid enough to say this i just still find it funny he's like i find it easier to start up my lasers what it's of what i hate you're like yes set up for 30 minutes later no of course but on its own it's just like what do you along how it's just that's that's all i've got for all of these things it's like this thing that just sets this other thing up a few minutes later for me did you did you catch how dumb ass homelander is teaching his kid how to fire lasers and he's placed the target right in front of his own fucking house see at this point you wonder if it's on purpose please burn it down do it burn it all fucking down so we never have to come here again he's also using a toy of the deep which the deep which uh the deep is a joke ryan might be opposed to destroying yeah whatever wait would ryan even know what the deep is i guess he would at this point yeah he's mostly homelander is so he yeah wait a minute why would he know who homelander is if he lives in a fortress designed to shelter him from like the idea with the fortress that it's like the world is out in this fortress you're just not allowed to go see it like the treatment show kind of kind of no i don't i don't think he learned about homelander until the end of season one like when he first appears and homelander is like hey i'm your dad and then like there's kind of the uncomfortable explanation because later on when we get the whole pewdiepie thing um what's his name uh or or stormfront's like oh your dad was in movies and ryan's like oh you were in movies and he's like yeah and he starts listing off a bunch of them and stuff and then he's like oh there's even a roller coaster and he's all excited and he wants to leave there's actually another scene that we kind of skipped over um that i thought was actually decent which was when um becca gets mad at this because she doesn't want ryan to know about this stuff and they go outside and then becca and ryan how excuse me becca and homelander have a talk and he and he says like look you can't hide all this stuff from him it's gonna fuck him up and you know when he when he does get out there he's gonna panic and he's like look what happened to me like it's kind of like he kind of recognizes that he's screwed up and he doesn't want to happen to his kid and it actually seemed like it was kind of a sincere sincere moment and he's like um i would agree with that in concept rather than execution because he's uh the way he's handling it with his son is like awful so the idea that we got this one moment where he's being almost intelligent like much like the other scene where he talks to ryan about a crying thing to me it's just almost like out of character there's someone someone in chat was like that is kind of in character for him to have placed the doll there that would bird his own house down i'm like if the show's convinced you he's a dumbass at this point then yeah i guess so that's fine honestly like but i just that that takes the parts where he's intelligent to a position where i'm just like yeah i don't think that's the character you've been building um so they leak the evil nazi tisms um and the funny picture that we all wanted to get with her and hitler arises yeah finally it was glorious did you notice that on the bottom there of the cnn it says credible lead ties storm front to jeffrey epstein's death oh my god really i'm not sure what that meant or what i whatever um i honestly think that's their attempt of being funny i guess like i feel like that's meant to be a joke yeah um i guess we see that uh oh yep you know the idea this is a deep fake or this is a photo shop i can believe it she doesn't really look like storm front there in that particular picture she looks kind of weird i guess it's the documents right the other stuff of course it's just i find this picture amusing because it's hitler well i mean it's because that one probably is like a fake well it has to well they're all going to be fake if they're uh oh i think i know what you mean yeah yeah i'll let's take a look like you could fake you could fake it better than that you could use yeah you could photoshop her into it but it looks like someone else so the idea is there with hitler it's just it's i think that the idea or not the subsequent scene is mave is like oh no now this makes me care because you're a nazi like the kind of look she gives her when she's walking past she was apathetic and now she actually needs to stop her yeah may as well signpost that mave spots storm front in vort tower there she is she's looking upset wonder how that'll affect things to come and so yeah once they activate the sound they knew that homelander would check it out separate from ryan and they knew that he wouldn't be able to deal with it very fast for example traveling to the sound source at the speed of sound probably be pretty quick lasering it and then traveling back at the speed of sound your window is going to be very small you got it and yet they manage to drive all the way over to this cabin search it out and then have this discussion the last way too long um and of course drive back and somehow they managed to get fine and yet homelander arrives a little late and he wants to interrogate these group of vort security soldier people who were like wait where's the kid we're supposed to pick up the kid what's going on the homelander's like yeah what is going on gentlemen what's uh where's my son and he apparently blows all of them up to the point of splashing flesh and blood all over him in an attempt to find an answer that they don't have scary even though it makes no sense that he would be drenched in blood I like the convenient chatter on this walk under the guy's walkie-talkie as well did you get the kid so homelander going into this building has no reason to assume anything evil of these people necessarily they could they're a part of vort too so they could be like sir we're here to help you or something like that the obvious thing that they say is we found out the kid was missing we came into a vestigate have you seen him have you seen your son but unfortunately for them someone on the radio says did you get the kid yet so homelander's like hmm like oh no but of course it doesn't make sense because if he was to talk to the you know commanding officer whoever they may be and say where is my son and the commanding officer says I don't know homelander would be able to tell he's not lying and that would be it yeah yeah so instead homelander has to rip into them all personally and homelander wasting all this time yeah and slash flash all over the room make him look creepy when but if he had done that and then left the place he would have been able to catch up with the boys because they're all having a big discussion right now naturally this is not one of his childish like outbursts like burning down the pillar and stuff I just mean it's just super lucky for our heroes that homelander's making all the decisions he makes in this episode I mean it's super lucky to fly back to pot tower as well because oh yeah sorry yeah we didn't mention why did storm front fly back to port tower why to look at the video on on that video screen why you can only do it on the meme screens it's funny because whatever reason you come up with it will be in opposition to whatever the reason you can come up with why she came back so quickly like this doesn't work also I can't remember where or when this was but we definitely got an answer on this hey guys does that belt look buckled it doesn't look buckled that doesn't look very safe well I mean what's the worst that could happen I'm sure all of you have a really buckle your belts and how many times have you crashed like zero so really it's fine unfortunately storm front is on the prowl she comes back to this exact spot who knows why like honestly why I don't know um and this is what happens to the car just um let me let me get that distance shock so I always find it really funny you know the kiwi one and whether or not he should have been more or less hurt depending on a couple of variables I think this one's a little bit more categorical don't you guys think the fact that the car didn't get crushed is pretty unbelievable isn't it it's so absurd look at how high up it went it's crazy hard partially fine jeez come on that's insane we survived that or at least they were seriously injured it would be a miracle if they lived with seatbelts I would be shocked so the big surprise that I think both of us had when we first watched this immediately is so this is I'm about to play the scene where it it's coming to a stop boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom the car doesn't seem to bend or break it just it's solid which is really I don't want to do the animations I don't want to have the model change or well I assume it's to justify why they're unhurt see the car managed to take most of the damage you're like what to point out what someone said in chat I rolled a truck off cliff from Icy Road 5 times down out of scratch so here's the thing I totally believe you if you're wearing a seatbelt and all your car does is roll over you're fine and you're walking out of that crash because that's what cars and seatbelts are designed to do that's what happens but they weren't wearing seatbelts they got thrown through the air and as someone pointed out they landed roof first and it doesn't buckle it just bounces so uh yeah that's insane but you know it freaked us all out for a moment there, very scary now this is the interesting thing we kind of wrote it up earlier everyone's going to face off with Stormfront our retards don't go and grab the RPG instead they pull out their pistols yeah don't yeah that'll stop her your pistols will definitely, well maybe if they hit her in the eye you had one job like let the superheros distract Stormfront set up the RPG rocket thing electric thing and then use it but no you gotta have a big ol fight go on get your rocket launcher with your EMP yeah oh and for reference everyone in the car is fine don't worry about it oh yeah they're fine don't worry about it did you don't even have to rocket launcher it's like lying around you somewhere it's like in the back of the car on the back seats dropped ups like why what are you doing you think you'd have somebody with it ready like behind a tree or something you'd think yeah and so they're like oh it's so bad they're like wait Huey quick go and get the RPGs get the RPGs and so Stormfront just blows them up because why wouldn't you anything else would have been stupid she remembers the Panzerschrecks from the the world war two and she's like no no bazooka americano you wouldn't even have to yell like she does have some level of superhering right so like even if he just said it like hey hey Huey go get the RPGs she would probably still hear it so Huey think that they were like wouldn't he just they were really close to the explosion oh you're right is there a window open or something because normally electricity doesn't get easy into a car right well if you're in a car and you're struck by lightning you'll be fine yeah that's what I was getting at I mean I don't know how it exactly works obviously when you superpowers I mean yeah they're lucky about that explosion that's fine though I'm sure it's all fine it's all fine totally unscathed they're unherp it's all good and we've effectively set up that the RPG is gone oh no I also think we've talked before about how her electric can do between 0 and 10 damage apparently and whenever it's one of our heroes it's on one yeah whatever you know whatever it's like a human who can't the boy specifically it doesn't kill them immediately and then Maeve Ex Machina right on schedule oh there she is sneaky Maeve taking a peek she just she was at fort tower stormfront left fort tower and started this fight immediately a few minutes after Maeve is here Maeve has no superpowers that evolve traveling beyond jumping far if we could call that that speed which wouldn't even really increase her speed to any significant degree and on top of that if she was like leaping through the air and like slamming into the ground don't you think people in the area would have noticed like when there's suddenly this massive impact she wouldn't be able to surprise attack stormfront while doing that what's even dumber about this though is if you go oddly frame by frame sorry cat if you go frame by frame you can actually see like behind stormfront it shows an angle of Kimiko on the ground and it shows the road and there's nothing there then it shows a front view of stormfront and you can see behind stormfront granted it's at a little bit of an angle but you can still see behind her and in both of those seeds like both of those like little cuts there is absolutely nothing on the road whatsoever behind stormfront and then when she turns around she's just there so like I mean maybe if they had made it so like you could see Maeve like walking forward when Kimiko is on the ground and it's like oh okay oh what's going to happen but no she just like it would be it would be cool if you sprinting toward her in the background when you do these pauses but that is not the case there you go people that's the shot you need no Maeve she must have jumped and landed right next to her and then hit her dramatically do all that um and yeah uh of course girls get it done that they do remember that thing we made fun of we're doing it they have superpowers here it's wammons beating up on a wammons now that is the complete of the first what you could call climax and it's a little confusing because she flies away like wait is it over then because I mean stormfront can regroup now and um I can't remember who I asked this last but I'll just throw it out to any of you guys who don't like try and aim for genuine answers if you hadn't seen this episode what is stormfront's goal right now kill em all I guess um so if I'm being beat the fuck up by a bunch of people around me three of which I know are superheros oh all of them um I would want to leave yeah if I was beaten to a pulp and uh my goals in life are to generate that super army that's my main thing then yeah I'm out of here hopefully homelander can help me out in future I can probably work on getting that PR storm dealt with um but no she chooses to go after Ryan uh I don't I don't get it but think about because okay so she's getting beat up she flies into the air none of the other characters can fly she can just like hover and zap them with lightning the entire time like nobody like what are they gonna do they could like try to throw her but like girls get it done is a reference to endgame's female scene the crew said so but like it's done unironically so I guess they missed the first half of the stream um when they satirize it and they have it as part of Vort's like promotional shit where they have three girls with their fists up saying girls get it done that's great I love it great stuff when you actually do it you've done it I don't understand how this is satire anymore when you literally do the thing girls really do get it done do we do understand the difference right I don't know I'm just a little bit lost on this one it's um but yeah Stormfront doesn't take advantage of the fact that she can fly and shoot lightning at the same time I think well the surenette seems to forget all the time about the flying ones just fly through these people like let's just do that I just love the idea that it's like oh my god making fun of thing thing is so lame right guys yeah let's do it yeah but we do it we do it the right way they can't even appeal to it like I said they can't even appeal to making sense cause it doesn't so it's just like go away cause the you could argue that the infinity wall has one remember the three girls together beating up the girl but like I just that one seemed fine to me but no bullshit had a problem with that one right I believe which one sir it's not over it's just that someone's beating a black widow I think and she says like you're gonna die alone and then someone says she's not alone and it's it's scarlet witch okay I mean I don't feel like that is the thing that people think it is then I don't know those three are on the battlefield there's no reason why they wouldn't help each other like I'm fine with it as opposed to like 15 people the end game one is absolute garbage and then this one is cringy because it comes from them having made fun of the same shit so I just don't get it yeah so she zaps butcher but of course she doesn't kill him because that would be bad for the plot she even like hardcore throws him into a tree and it just doesn't yeah you'll just have it like you didn't even have a seatbelt on so like Becca stabs her in the eye right before I just want to highlight how funny this moment is she just zombifiably walks up to riot like riot it's okay come with me it's all gonna be good she gets like really close and holds her arm out like what are you doing woman doesn't want to go with you yeah it's she gets so close and uh yeah then the thing happens go ahead well she stabs her in the eye with a big knife that's hit her brain she's dead crazy precision as well yeah I think yeah she's dead I think you could even argue that her invulnerability wouldn't allow that to happen anyways unless it's like selective well this is the whole thing right impervious to nukes but apparently knives can go through eyes well guess what nukes can also go through eyes well and trap nul and explosions and concussive force bullets big that knife is long that knife is huge well I wanted to highlight right so we can see here that it's gone through what looks to be like flush to the handle which is pretty pretty bad and now let's see how big that handle is well the knife is relative to god damn it my pausing game is off today hold on I'll get it let me see oh my it's it is it is the length of her like fist you're dead you're dead yeah well look at that beast it's not even like it's thick too well thick as in what's the correct the the depth of it I'm not sure which dimension I'm going for here I know what you mean but it's wide yeah it's a big knife that's gonna hurt you that's in your brain there's no way about it also I do like this image of her she looks so annoyed oh man not my eye that's my secret Nazi lab experiment eye my favorite eye so yeah I don't see how anybody would have watched this and not been like wait what you can do that that yeah it's it's so dumb in the span of about one minute let's see she's immune to bullets but then her invulnerability gets turned off and she gets hit by the knife but then it gets turned back on when butcher is trying to hit her with a crowbar and it does nothing oh dude why didn't he stab her in the eye with a crowbar that would have worked yeah exactly then it gets shut off again when Ryan hits her also I should point out that the reason why they did the eye thing is because it happened in the comics except it wasn't Becca who did it it was Kimiko who did it and the reason why Kimiko could do it is because she has super strength she basically like gouged out Stormfront's eye so my question is okay you want to do the thing because the thing was done in the comic why didn't you do it in the previous fight with Kimiko Maeve and Starlight that would have been a much better kind of rationale for Stormfront to just quickly escape you know she loses an eye she panics and then she flies away and then when she finally lands and she tries to talk to Ryan obviously she looks gruesome her eyes been ripped out that would make it even more repulsive so it would link all these things together in a logical way where it makes sense okay super powered person commits you know has damage on another person instead of Excalibur pocket knife able to someone decided it seems to have cut her eyelid as well which now it raises even more questions oh wait wait no that can't no that's impossible no God you just you got to pick something isn't it skin is in her eyeballs what is it figure it out and then yeah Ryan lasers and pretty badly hurts yeah so hierarchy powers we have to just assume then that his laser is the most powerful laser like it's this fucking intense laser it's got to be stronger than that mother fucker went into space it's going to slam into a planet at some point destroy the whole thing it takes her legs off and her arm we had someone say like that we missed a detail that it wasn't Ryan who killed the mum it was Stormfront she dug into a deck with her handle some shit it's like no they're explicit it's Ryan who did it which is confusing because a laser would probably cauterize but uh yeah it's weird that this is the first time this knife seems to create that kind of wound well I think what's weird is that you know Stormfront is pretty messed up and yet the mum isn't a pile of goo well so this is something I think I asked rags when we did the stream I was like what happened so you have two bodies one with the arm on the other's neck and you have a laser go off that hits body head right arm chopping it off and both legs chopping them off and only the left part of the neck of person B like damn that's some interesting cutting around you did there I just it's weird to me because if you laze it off Stormfront's legs you'd totally hit in the mum's legs I don't see how you yeah this here um but she needed to die dramatically and in a way that she could convey information to him well yeah everyone felt like it's what's the dealio like it's just like pop culture reference to Anakin like people actually feel like that's what they're going for I guess I I think so look at her one of her arms is fine and three of her limbs aren't yeah and the face is burned like it I gotta admit it's like damn that is close to Anakin yeah yeah so the knife thing is definitely pulled directly from the comics but other than like she like Stormfront never that never happens to Stormfront in the comics in the comics he loses the eye and then he gets his head smashed in and his brains get pulled out basically so well I'm guessing they may want to bring it back mecha front season three four even mecha storm front season four there you go yeah back and dead someone highlighted with mentioning it's weird that starlight can't use the electricity that stormfront uses against it and what's funny is they referenced as an example of Thor powering up Iron Man it's like a cool combo thing and it's like yeah but the MCU is way better than the boys sorry the edgy controversial take well I guess I should clarify the the better movies of the MCU because there are there are movies of the MCU that I Captain Marvel is probably worse than the boys overall I guess but we're not like Iron Man three yeah Black Panther it's pretty bad those are the those are the trifactor of bad from the MCU right and then you can have like Thor 2 and a few extras the really bad ones so yeah she bleeds out and she tells him to look after the kid and then we get to the big final blackmail oh no here we go homelander shows up and he's like oh jeez stormfront you're looking weird with your German and you're dying I can't understand you what are you saying most people will laugh at that by the way here just talking in German it's just like yeah stop doing that it's funny um before a holider arrives like right before he arrives butcher picks up the crowbar and it looks like he's gonna go and kill Ryan yeah and then he only stops because homelander arrives and then he's like I made a promise it was like wait you were gonna kill him like two seconds ago yeah I didn't mean to misspeach like that that is a bit of a weird back and forth um so homelander's upset of course and he's like right I'm taking my son getting the fuck out of here and then butcher's like lolna and then he's like okay I'll just kill you then like it's been long enough and of course he kills butcher credits roll and next season we'll see homelander and his son bro we learn into bonds see how he carries on the story but for the fun of it we've actually designed an entire simulation of this episode in the matrix and we're gonna inject Maeve into this scene suddenly we're just gonna drop her in copy-paste style it's gonna be really funny boom she's here oh look there she is oh she's gonna pull out her phone and say hey you know this thing that you did I'm gonna show the world unless you don't pursue her girlfriend you don't pursue them you don't pursue me or Elena and you don't pursue starlight basically and it's funny she may as well just said stop being evil because like why not at this point and homelander agrees yeah he agrees I do like it if Maeve showed up a few seconds later dead dead and do you like how she showed up but none of the boys are like where is everybody yeah I guess they're just chilling out Maeve can't teleport like Maeve can do you like the idea that they're all waiting in that like runway area whatever it is and Maeve is like I smell something and jumps I'm sure they'll be fine where you going Maeve how would she even find them anyways Maeve doesn't have like super hearing she doesn't have anything she just turns up she's just wonder woman basically she's just generally strong yeah but yeah this is so homelander what you should have done is just killed her immediately shot the phone and then killed her and then killed Butcher and then congrats you win and then kill starlight as well I guess and the boys just find them all and then you won you win it's over how about we do the ending where homelander doesn't land there in time Butcher beats the child to death and it actually works blood is everywhere then homelander sees it goes nuts and burns Butcher to death flies over to the boys slices them all in half like a rag doll and just slams her into several planets and then into the sun and then he's like he just rules over earth as emperor homelander like yeah fuck it let's do it well yeah this should be your death note you know light standing over I mean surely we can do spoilers for 15 year old well I think people want us to see that one I don't know if it's oh yeah actually I just realized cause yeah don't worry but yeah the general thing here is you've won and as I was watching this scene all I thought is oh it's over this is it this is the end of the show it has to be yeah this was really disappointing this was one of those balloons letting loose all of its air you're just like uh okay that's how it ends she's just gonna threaten that you can just laser the phone kill mave kill Butcher fly out I mean why would it matter anyway he's been seen killing innocent people if you just get some Nazi memes going he'll be fine like what's the concern homelander the funny thing is uh he wouldn't lose the adoration and love of the world with that video cause her logic is uh no one will ever and also mave are you he said hey if you do that I'm just gonna end the human race and you're like yeah that's cool with me you could call that a bluff I guess it's a it's a rough play by mave but I still just think that he would have just killed her oh of course he would what and also you know you're not safe he'll just get you when you least expect it well yeah and rolling on now the status quo is maven starlight are both in the 7 still and they've been reinstated which is like wow okay that's a lot did you put a new tracker into starlight it's weird the show once it's status quo but the status quo has been irreversibly destroyed yeah they said everything bad in the world was caused by storm front so that's fine um and homelander yeah and everyone just goes along with that and homelander's got his position as respected and awesome eermann master baits across the city yeah he was really sad about losing his son which is why we see him masturbating in the scene over the city yeah I don't quite understand how any of this really works is she because I don't see like homelander's really stupid I get that but like what how is it that mave can be like yeah so I'm going to hold this over your head forever is like I don't think is that the get out of jail free card for like everything yeah every single thing they don't want homelander to do I guess they'll threaten to release the video that's just I'm sure he'll just stand for that um I think they were really proud of the shot of him they were like this is so cool but it came so just ill timed for me with this because I was trying to understand what they were doing with homelander and I thought it was kind of cool when they zoom in on him having to lie about everybody who he kind of hates being a team player like that's that's interesting and then that happens and I was like oh well well we had a few good seconds you know whatever whatever works for you show boomer memes someone brought up black noir waking up I don't think it's going to have any issue now because Maeve has been brought back into the seven cart blotch so even when noir wakes up and says hey she did it it's not going to change anything no unfortunately and like I just don't believe homelander would allow them to have this kind of leverage on him it controls his entire life and then he ends with saying I can do whatever I want it's like you literally can't that was the point of the leverage they had on you so yeah um yeah so I guess right a train is welcome back into the seven which doesn't make any sense the whole reason he was booted out was because he was no longer in the top 20 runners and he had a heart condition his heart condition is just gone is he one of the best runners again I don't know he's reinstated thanks to the collective when he was booted out by homelander I guess the leverage on homelander means he can no longer decide who's in the seven I don't know what wasn't the idea that they need like representation after all the nazis yeah but homelander decided he's not in the seven oh yeah I know I guess that means nothing there there was their explanation well I don't really need an explanation for anybody getting into the seven from the perspective of vort or the collective I don't care who they choose but homelander was one who booted him and he was for a very specific reason but that reason is forgotten by this point I guess even though nothing's changed it is kind of funny with the heart condition though isn't it do you think there was a scene they had for that or they didn't keep it in this isn't important that's just a show do you think there was a scene to explain this and they just didn't put it in yeah they kind of did during the um when he was handing over the the files to hui and starlight she asks you know you know how's your heart and he says it's fine do you want to try it sort of deal you want to try me or whatever whatever and like that's it and that's like okay he's he's 100% again like we're just supposed to take it at face value um someone in chat said uh I think that the the deeps arc was a waste of time you know what you're right I think you're on point with that yeah I agree in case anyone isn't aware uh the deep is told at this scene that he won't be coming back to the 7 and he's angry and then he says fuck fresco it's funny because they get fresco yeah I you know I've just paused on the shot where it's uh butcher and uh Ryan sitting next to the lake and I'm like this could be a whole season this frame and you have you you just decided not to do that what alright yeah the idea of a person who despises soups like raising a stupid hero was his son yeah handed a storyline on a platter and this is the thing you can make that storyline you can make the boys continuing without butcher under the tutelage of grace a plot line and Huey with the senate a plot line or congress whatever but nah nah oh yeah it's like what a fucking shame the more I think about it the more it depresses me well that was gonna say we were almost there now Huey and starlight are back together they've got their own team the boys mother's milk is back with his wife and daughter which feels weird and the frenchy are going on an adventure because I've brought it before I'll have to rewatch the shows like both of them but I'm pretty sure the last we heard about mm's family was that they were pretty fucking pissed at him I don't know yeah of course he made her a doll house so yeah and then and then they go on an adventure masterband of the city blowing up the guy's head which we've commented on would get her in why would she do I don't know why she did that why did she kill him I don't know I guess she doesn't like him I yeah it seems like they were I don't know they wanted a cool reveal I guess but like it seems dangerous to kill him once we know all of the details the end of season 3 I guess this seems like a bad choice not only because storm front is behind bars or hospital beds whatever but this guy was like on your team he was willing to give you information on her soups in exchange for tax cuts which I'm sure she's willing to push for when her greater goal is to do with superheros so I'm trying to figure out what could her motivation be to where that isn't something that she would not only not want but want to destroy the guy who offered that yeah and besides he's just gonna get replaced by a different leader for the collective isn't he yeah and then they're gonna go through with the imagine if they check who the last person he spoke to was well like obviously that's really suspicious but not I say not enough I mean it was enough to convince fucking a train right so I guess the it's pretty suspicious to get off a phone call and three seconds later your head just explodes for no reason that's a little sus but hey that's just me imagine they had a camera outside of the church of the collective office and they just saw her there game over that would be awkward and that's the boy season 2 fucking disaster so like we've gone over I'd say the most significant things are the damage done to homelander and butcher both gobbled messes I don't really understand much about either of them at this point nor do I like them it's annoying watching homelander be so incompetent and it's annoying watching butcher be so incompetent and like confusing in his goals it's mainly the incompetence I think for both of them that I get annoyed with of course the killing the baby and respecting a soup killing a human stuff like it's you have it all floating around it's just frustrating to have to deal with and you just feel like they've gone in a completely bonked direction most of the other characters don't have much going on starlight was destroyed with that one scene but if that scene hadn't existed I wouldn't have much to say about starlight anyway I'd just be like she's there mave is there the train has been not only healed but also completely redeemed like when he changed the files I don't feel like he has a character anymore yeah he always seems really he seems like plot yeah he's a prop I think is how it categorized that he's not he's being ping ponged by the plot he doesn't have his own interests by the looks of things nothing that matches what I understood about him in season 1 season 1 he trains a full on character season 2 he like starts out because we went through it he's like ah I'm looking to fuck over starlight because I hate it because of what she did ah I've got my information oh no she has leverage over me damn it ah she revealed the vault is doing the things ah this sucks ah I'm booed out of the 7 oh man I'll go with the collective ah sweet I'm back in the 7 after I managed to kind of betray the collective but it turned out to be beneficial for both of them like that plotline is so odd and it only makes sense once you realize that all the things he's doing are pushing other plotlines into different places primarily the Nazi information and letting starlight keep the compound V and not dobbing her in all of these things are not necessarily within his character but of course they help out everyone else's plotlines he's just Finn of the boys the deep as we've been over is I don't think I've ever seen such a bungled attempt at trying to make an entire arc in a drama that's all comedy that flatlined like you tried question mark isn't it so funny that the deep is stupid and sucks no that's hilarious it's hilarious how every time he tries to help an animal it dies horribly that's hilarious who else is the Frenchy ever like I said there's just not much going on yeah and I guess I like Frenchy I like Frenchy I like them sort of except for that whole murder bit where they killed that guy why do we keep saying that I like them except for yeah that's actually exaggeration I like the boys that's kind of the thing I like them but I don't know there's a lot wrong with them I honestly think what I like is not even the show's fault anymore it's more so just my idealized version of what I'm seeing I'm imagining a lot of what isn't actually there this is this really cool show where a bunch of normal people have had enough of superheroes taking advantage of the world and they want to try and take them down yeah that's a really cool thing it's not really what I'm getting though it's even worse I think when you know what happened in the comics and it's it's kind of like Game of Thrones a little bit like you know like there's good stuff just please use it just please use it and they never do this thing I think I feel like when it comes to us not liking the boys I feel like we're pretty consistent on the reasons why we do and do not think shows are good I would like to think that up to this point we've been really consistent even if you don't agree with our like individual assessments can you see the system that we're using can you see the criteria that we're trying to apply evenly I think they do it's just that some people believe the categorization goes from significant on Nick pick and I think as we saw at least the first two episodes a lot was getting categorized as Nick picks I just want characters characters to behave in logical ways like I don't want them to to just suddenly become stupid because the plot needs them to I don't want them to do things that are opposed to their own interest because plot needs them to like I don't want people teleporting like it's not too much to ask a few different people have asked about like the potential of season three what do we reckon it's like well it could be good there's always the chance and I'll check it out because I am curious how the events will go down but I don't have any faith in these writers right now I think there's going to be a competing team called payback in the comics there was another team called payback and I believe Stormfront was actually the leader of that one and they've talked about the dude from Supernatural he's coming back he's going to come on the show yeah who was in in payback and so that group wasn't really in competition so much or opposed to the seven or anything but they did a lot of like screwed up stuff and the boys went after them so it seems like the new group that Butcher is going to be in probably you'll get the other ones eventually they'll come back after a couple episodes or two like they're going to go after they're going to go after payback as the second group because I think what's going to happen is is that there's going to be like even though they shut down all of the compound V it wasn't supposed to go out to everybody inevitably people are going to get it and I think that's probably what they're going to use so I think the seven might actually be kind of like back burner material for at least the first half of the season you know what's sad is I think there are so many things they could do that they could have a good season three with imagine like compound V does get mass released in some way shape performing different like purchases or just black market releasing in general and the seven actually have to start fighting off many different people who are going nuts with the compound and killing people as like a group of heroes that protect whatever it is from people going nuts as much as it's all marketing and cynical and stuff they actually are needed people need their strength to be able to fight off you know just just running a season through with like the team and you have Homelander and Starlight and Maeve having to work together in order to beat these people just situat