If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of mine pump for about 38 minutes. We have some nice Conversation we talk about making love to music. Oh my god We talk about my heavy petting to RMB That was back when I was 14 years old. I think if you better Adam talks Jankos Adam talks about black mirror a new Well, not new show, but it's a show that we have been watching on Netflix We talk about the challenges of the information age the media's influence on the way we think and feel Evil bastards. We're getting manipulated. Oh, and then we mentioned the Organifi Christmas blend we actually invented it This is where you take the green juice and mix it with the red juice And then I talk a little bit about the benefits of turmeric and then Santa Claus peas on you By the way, if you want to get a discount for those products go to Organifi shop. That's Orga ni fi shop Com and enter the code Mind pump at checkout then we get into the fitness questions The first question was what do we think of optimal caffeine intake? How much is too much and what are the benefits of taking caffeine? We also talk about the detriments. So it's a well-balanced answer. I love coffee to that energized question Then there was someone who asked this if do we use our brains full capacity if we lose connection to Like the ones on our feet it's actually a fascinating topic we get deep with it. I don't know why I said it that way Then we talk about the sled What does it do for your body and how do you fit it? Inside your workout Justin moved his eyes up when I sit inside. Yeah, I didn't say what you thought I was Actually we have videos of sled training on our YouTube channel mine pump TV so you can even reference there finally What are our favorite topics? Somebody asked us about entrepreneurship. Can it be taught? Can you spot an individual who has a lot of potential as an entrepreneur? When did we realize we were entrepreneurs at what age you will know? Really really great topic. We love talking about that stuff if you're a fitness professional building something on social media If you're looking about going if you think about going into business for yourself, or if you're just interested in the subject We want to wrap some fit tea. Yeah, I mean it's towards the end of the episode finally this month Get maps prime For free if you enroll in any maps program or any maps bundle However, our super bundle which is one years worth of exercise program already includes maps prime So if you enroll in the super bundle you'll get maps prime pro for free and then you basically do you have everything? Everything that's bad that you need To get your body feeling and looking Incredible for all of those programs all you got to do is go to mind pump media calm and sign up You know what I like is a Richard Marks. Oh my god. He like never got enough credit For his you really amazing ballads You really think so? Yeah, I think you got just enough credit. You're right. I think you're right I don't think I don't think he needs more. What was the one song? It's not almost paradise. It was something like that I don't remember That's him we're looking on heaven's door. Oh, yeah, that's a good one most paradise Between your paradise could we ask for more? That's that's Richard Marks. I don't know. I think so Is that maybe it's not well, I used to call them dick marks. Yeah, be honest How many times have you made love to that particular song? Zero do you know times? Are you a make love to music? I was more of like a I Are either one of you guys make love to music? Oh, that's weird brain FM. There's weird, but It's weird to play music. I don't know some people are really into that You may have to have like a certain beat. So I definitely had a girlfriend I had a girlfriend in high school who would get instantly Horny if we played if R&B like R&B. Yeah, it was really weird like it was almost like and so you didn't do that What is that? You didn't I never are you kidding me that I put R&B on every time. I just asked you that no No, I didn't have sex though. I was a virgin at this But I'd put it on and then we mess around. Yeah, we do that, you know some heavy petting the little touch R&B some heavy petting to R. Kelly play a game of you know, touchy-touch Over the pants touchy touch how old were you at this time? 14 you want to know how this is how Powerful women need it. I well, I think women do get to understand they do understand this later on life How much power they have over men, especially when we're younger. I When I was 14, I had dislocated my knee actually told the story. I think they're aware of this I had dislocated my knee.  She's hobbling all the way over there. Yeah to hang out for maybe 30 minutes before her mom got home and You know, but it was all worth it because you know, she'd touch me.  That's worth it And you just you know, I'm saying it would take a lot more now to do that.  Because I'm down to totally walk these three miles to get over there with this bad He's great, but do you know the finisher? Yeah, yeah, can we do folding has to accelerate at the end, but like think like, you know, I remember how excited I remember how like Excited I could easily finish that way at that age just over my pants. Oh totally now. I'm just like come on now Oh, you know what?   Who's the south all over it? I seen like two episodes. Have you have you continued to watch it? I watched all the episodes some of them are crappy, but some of them are really good Okay, I've seen a couple I watched a couple I got sucked in last night.  It's I mean didn't it trip you like that would be terrible Well, not only but I mean it was like fuck that that could happen There's there's some really good They did they did some good a bunch of people have been Inboxing me because of some of the stuff that we've said on the show and because of irresistible and technology and where it's going and some of The things that to be fearful of or be cautious of I should say People have been oh you should watch this episode of Black Mirror so I told Katrina and or she brought it up actually and that's what reminded me She's like there's a show that people keep talking about at work. It's called mirror I'm like, oh black mirror and she's like, yeah, that's it.  I think Sal and Justin watch it. I haven't had a chance that episode in particular was Disturbing yeah, it was like at the end of it, right? Aren't you like damn? Yeah.  And then I watched the Waldo one. Where's Waldo one? Oh, what was that one about again? I can't think right now because I have the black I have the white Christmas one The only one I saw was one where like the Ike would would capture everything like video. Oh, yeah Yeah, and then you could like rewind it and like evaluate everybody's expression and you know how everything went down That's weird. So I didn't know this until I what made me turn it on was that you don't have to watch it in order There's different characters like it's like Twilight Zone. No, they're all different. Yeah, they're all different different episodes. They're all different Shows yeah, so you could totally like randomly go picker and so that's what we started doing was like, oh this title sounds interesting Because it's related to this. Let's watch. Yeah, I might do that.  Yeah, but there's a few that are really really really good Yeah, like white Christmas was one of them Yeah, I think the wall the Waldo one was really good too white Christmas disturbed my girl Like we watched it together and afterwards she's like I feel weird Yeah, I mean well I took it you were sitting there I'm like what if what if right now we're the copy version of ourselves right now like this What if we're there our copy there'd be no way of knowing yeah, like there's no way we know So what would you what would you do if you found that out? Like what would you do if you found out like I'm totally a program? I think it where program I think what would you do? I think at that point you just you have to embrace it, right? Because it doesn't change anything that's the that's it. That's it exactly right like cuz I still I still feel joy and sadness and happiness and love and I still have all the same feelings of I guess as the fucking real Me does so I guess would just embrace it like I'd be like lucky me as they made a cop smart me made a copy of me You know hmm, so I can't I'm mad that I can't remember the Waldo one the first one I watched because I wanted to share it with you guys because both of them were really good They it got me in into it I was not that intrigued to watch it if I fuck everyone keeps saying to watch this and It does it goes right in line with a lot of the and my I guess my mind's there right now because I just finished that book Irresistible that I posted about and it was a really good book and you know, we just where we're at right now with tech We don't have a lot of history to compare to so and it's it's actually interesting to me that we don't Speculate a lot on this you don't hear a lot of people talking about you know We're excited about all these new things that are coming like all in this rush for some reason like to just like come up With the coolest shit and like make everything so easy. Well, is that really what we should be doing things become? Normal very quickly, but it's very different for the younger generation. I have young kids Very very different for them than it is even for you know, definitely for my generation, but even the generation perform It's changing so rapidly. Yeah, it's I was having a conversation with my my oldest and we're you know Talking just about like the phones and all this kind of stuff And I was kind of describing to him like more again like what we talked about here like about why like I'm gonna kind of wait for a while before he can he can actually like have his own phone and Justifying I kind of like put put a question at him like there was a chicken outside. I'm like, do you know? The breed of chicken that is you know, how do you go about finding that out? And so he starts to think about it and he's like well, you know, I can Google it of course or You know, maybe we could go back to the person that sold us the chicken, you know, maybe I can do that Maybe I can ask somebody, you know a neighbor and I'm just like trying to get him to critically think like hmm What happens if I don't have easy access to information? How do I go about even getting it? So this is something that like I'm trying to establish like critical thinking through you know This process, you know as he's kind of building and developing his education is so important It's something that like nobody's gonna have the ability to do at some point. I think you'll be taught not to yeah I think you're gonna be taught. It's already happening like You are going to be one of the most valuable skills you have is just how to retrieve information So let me ask you guys this yeah, you guys have kids that you guys can compare to I don't so I don't Do you think that we are better or worse at critical thinking and using tools like you know Google and YouTube and TED talks and to find information like I find it really easy to Get anything I need to know about anything and I and I think like God I wish this was at the tip of my fingers when I was you know, 13 years old coming up through school Still hyper dependent on that so I have to look at it and then my brain thinks about searching about it If you take that away and you start thinking about it like how do you even retrieve information?  It's a bit see here and here's why I can sometimes play devil's advocate You know, we lost a lot of skills as humans Yeah, but it's also evolved about the bound of information you can consume Well, I mean we can technically become much smarter because we're gonna be able to download more But every single generation has this situation this issue where you know We didn't grow up knowing how to survive in the wilderness like I don't fucking know I don't know how to start a fire on my own I don't know how to find clean water or you know build a shelter by hand and all these things that we Shit Google and YouTube it though. You can now. Right.   It's like I think you would have to go to God It's somebody on there has those basic skills We're now you have these tools that you can rely on and is it better or worse I think about it this way better about this way one major You know calamity that destroys our electronic systems like a massive solar flare EMP or something it puts us puts us back in the Stone Age and we would see Massive massive deaths when you're very short period. Do you really think that would put us back to Stone Age? You think it would be like all sudden we'd be walking around like idiots not knowing how to figure anything Think about it this way. There would be a lot of chaos and Pandemonium for sure imagine if no electronics worked at all like there's no electronics that worked at all Right, imagine what would happen people wouldn't know How to get a hold of each other where to go it should be an exercise as a nation that we go through once a week Everything gets shut down to figure things out. You know what they do Community again and people would talk to each other and like somebody with skills would start teaching everybody and like there would be order And you'd be connected to people again. Well, so I actually was having this conversation earlier With with Jessica and we were talking about how With media even with internet We're constantly being told what to think we're told Our emotions of the way we feel about things is molded so strongly by this sensationalized Thing that we call the media like I can look at the media and based off of that I can believe that the world like that. Oh my god. Things are terrible. It's horrible. It's dangerous.  Yeah for a little while Otherwise you get this kind of distorted on everybody's stress like it like That I think that's an interesting problem We have now is that we know like too much of like problems like we know too many things going on Like every second of the day. There's a problem in the world Well, I mean and we're drawn to that like if the media shows us all these good Feel-good stories. Nobody wants to watch that because we're wired.  Our brains are wired We're wired to be magnetized by bad information because we evolved in Societies where that was important like in our tribe if there was something bad going on We need to know that we want to solve problems because it could affect this right now Yeah versus the media is showing me something. That's that you know happening in Oklahoma where this kid got kidnapped and it's terrible Whatever, but I feel like it's happening right here Yeah, and it's gonna affect me a particular way and think about it this way How many people feel terrible about their bodies and how they look and feel super self-conscious and it's based on media because if you Walk around outside everybody looks like that like most people look like that like I could walk around. Yeah, we could go we could go for walk for miles just out here in San Jose and I Bet you I could count on two fingers how many people I literally will see that be really fit if that well No, I mean I used to say this I used to say this in my presentation at the gym I used to stand people up in my presentation like when I'd be in the sales pit, right and I'd have them look stand up Right to give them perspective of the the goals that they want to achieve, right? And I'd say look around the gym right now and find me five people that you want to look like physically You know, there's not a lot most these people that's a gym, right? Exactly that was my point was like you're in the place where everybody gets fit, right? So these should be some of the fittest people Around are gonna be inside this gym and you can't pick out five people that have the physique that you're aspiring to be now What why is that is it because everybody's lazy? Nobody knows it or is it because we have distorted the the idea of what health and fitness and everything really looks like What the average looks yeah, right exactly or what the norm is presented Yeah, you know, can you look like a cover magazine? Absolutely, but we put on we put this facade out that you know Hey Anybody can look this way and like this is all you have to do and what do you what do you know that what this person has done to? To obtain this look for this moment for this photo shoot and what they look like the rest of the year It's just not dude.  I'm six foot tall. I'm not a massive guy But I'm usually one of the more muscular dudes in the room everywhere.  Now if I base it off of what I see on Instagram.  I look terrible I don't have like these crazy proportions This is what people are going through and it's distorted because we're so because our Concept of what normal is like if we turned all that off right now If it all of it just shut off and we never looked at these pictures on Instagram or Facebook and none of this stuff And you just walked around every day outside and just based it on what you see around you You'd feel you probably feel a lot better because you'd have a more accurate depiction of what I think that's why the backlash for People that were photoshopping and all these types of things like people had such like a reaction to that because it's like They they have this assumption that like no like you wow like you really look this way and then like to Have them feel like they're fooled like that was such a that was such a mind-opening thing for all these people like and it's like Of course, you know if you're if you're in the mentality of presenting yourself as awesome all the time You know, I guarantee half the time like some of these guys that they're just photoshopping They're doing you know They want themselves to look the best and get the best angles all the time like it's not reality It is and I know that there's an obesity epidemic.  I think that's a great Gas as far as a number. I think it's maybe Maybe even smaller. I mean I think you're probably 5% and I think you're 5% I think when you get to the crazy level of like that competitive magazine look you're in the 1% the 1% You know being in the fitness industry amplifies it, you know even more I have a lot of these conversations with my girlfriend. She's a woman obviously and I think women deal with this Even a little more just because they're advertised so heavily and which is true by the way media does Advertise much more heavily to women in particular when it comes to appearance because of clothes and all that stuff that they Purchase more than men do and my you guys have seen my girl She's very fit very whatever and she'll display these signs of being self-conscious And I'm telling her like who looks it who looks like you like we'll be we're in Hawaii at the beach I tell me one person that looks like you but your mental Image of that is so distorted and we're self aware of it And so consider people who aren't and this is that that actually what worries me the most with social media with my kids Is that I know I grew up with the news and with TV and with magazines And I know how much that distorted my image of things Social media is so much faster things are posted so much quicker. There's so much variety Like they're gonna they're just it's just exaggerating and compounding things. We've dealt with this. It's not it's not new It's that it's Compounding and it's and the rate that it's compounding and then the amount that the the younger generation is downloading it Right as far as the information and it's being put up on it's super influential Well, when you when you look at the like the book that I told you I read the Irresistible one and they talk about like the average person like how many times they picked their phone up But you pick your phone up now 50 something times a day and out of that 50 times How many times is that checking Instagram or Facebook or Twitter or Snapchat? That's media media media media commercial commercial advertising advertising Advertisers remember this right now. This is this is a fact that this is not disputable Media and advertisers goal is to get you to think a particular way and feel a particular way They're literally trying to manipulate you with tactics that gets you to feel or think a particular way Hopefully to get you to either buy a product or to vote a particular way or to act or behave in a particular way So remember that that's the one I saw which one I watched the one where they had the He it was like a cartoon guy and he And he followed around a politician and he manipulated the polls But he was a comedian and it was I maybe didn't watch. Oh, this is kind of cool You'll you like this one. So the idea was that He this guy was a really funny comedian and they drove around in this truck that had a huge digital screen That played a virtual cartoon character.   They're all that's all their job is is to is to Manipulate you to get you to think that's what advertising is what it does It's very powerful if it wasn't it wouldn't be billion billion dollar, you know billions of dollars of an industry It's been around for a long time. They've mastered it.   We've got I mean we've got all this stuff going on with with politics and you've got people thinking that That the country is at the most racist that's ever been for example You're seeing this right now all over TV, right and people being pulled like oh my god Racism is at its absolute worst, which is false still exists, but it's false. It's way better than it's ever been Relations have been better than they've ever been but the perception has been changed. Why you gotta ask yourself why?  I'll tell you something right now Stop flipping through Instagram so Incessantly or don't watch the news for a week and I promise you'll feel better You'll actually feel better about yourself. I don't watch the news barely at all I don't know you can all you can also challenge yourself by something that I continue to try and do And I try and do it more and more as I get older is things that I feel most passionately about I Challenge my thought process on that So if there's an opinion that I have that I feel strongly about it Those are the ones I'm seeking like to destroy my own opinion and it's hard to do that It's hard to say. Oh, I feel this way about this thing or this is what really makes me happier This was what making me really excited about something those those things and I've talked about this before about Analyzing my state change like things throughout the day that make me extra happy extra sad You know excited about things things that change my state and then then unpacking that and going, okay Why am I feel this way about this thing and then then on top of that going? Okay, instead of doing because it's really easy to get into that what we talked about confirmation bias where you're Continuing to search more things that just confirm your own opinion already. How about instead of doing that, you know What I feel so strong about this So what if I read something that totally conflicts with that or read or watch something that is come totally Important to do that because I mean even more so now right cuz I mean I feel like that's directly Connected to empathy right so if you if you don't ever look at the other side of your Stance then how are you how are you even gonna be able to communicate with somebody? You know on the other side and come to understand them further So not only that I'm reading the book is reading this book you talk about like these things like it that the way we're Advertising now. Yeah, I mean the everything that's popping up in your feed is the things that you're already you're already liking You're already confirming to the computer that oh, it's taking you and isolating you Yes, it's it's it's definitely starting to cattle you even more So it's gonna become more challenging to find those things in fact You're gonna continue you're gonna continue to see stuff that already confirms what you were thinking Which if you don't learn to teach which I think and they talk about this in the book because that's how you buy There's yeah, right So there's gonna become tools that help you Disconnect from that and avoid that because they're doing such a good job of cattling you through Facebook and YouTube searches and Google searches that if you don't find ways to wait a second. This is all I've been reading lately This is all the information I've been consuming I need to pull myself out of here and actually search the opposite of that and see what direction that takes all of this Advertising marketing sidebar shit that I'm gonna come up with an algorithm that will predict when you shift Yeah, I mean it's Pick a day during the week where you kind of shut off or maybe you check your phone You know in the morning for 15 minutes and then don't check it again till that night They make apps for this and just and just go outside Just observe people around you sit at a coffee shop talk to people talk to your neighbor It's extremely fulfilling to do so And it really does it really makes you feel really really good being stuck on these devices I've never I mean I end up feeling worse, right? And I think everybody can can kind of relate to what I'm saying inherently you feel disconnect, right? And I think that's why a lot of times people feel lonely and they feel like depressed a little bit It's it's just like they haven't meant like necessarily realize that maybe they haven't had those interactions Maybe that hasn't been a part of their daily routine anymore You haven't looked somebody in the eye and had a conversation with them that does something to you You know that that gives you something and it's important. Yeah, I mean Anxiety I think is now the number one diagnosed Psychiatric issue in America Is anxiety so it's it's inevitable that we're going this way It's inevitable that it's going to get worse because not everybody's a mind-bump listener Not everybody not everybody gives a shit about that it going that direction So what fascinates me is the types of businesses that will evolve because of it. Totally it's just like training dude I mean it like we look at this is like there's potential problems, right? Because everything's accelerating it's so fast and like we're losing connectivity with everybody like so connectivity It's just like how do I place this like I have to like literally try and focus on this as being a part of my life While everything else is telling me otherwise, right? I saw one of the one of the parts inside the the white Christmas one I thought was really cool was and I believe for sure this will be a Business is the business that he had created that was kind of illegal the one where he will he helps him date Yeah, where he helps because you know you think about what we're talking about that the more You know the less interaction that you have with one-on-ones face-to-face and You're and then when you actually have to do that for personal relations or meeting the your significant other whatever How important that will become to have these social skills and quite frankly you'll stand out Yeah, right and you're not gonna most people are knocking this generation coming up are so wired to their phone and connected that They're gonna miss this so that's gonna create an opportunity for somebody older wiser to see that to be able to help that You're gonna be the guy with a six-pack, right? You're gonna be the person who is who's in their ear teaching them how to communicate and talk and making money on it And then I found it fascinating that they took it a step further and said not only will that become a business But then the people will pay to watch that service. Oh my god, right? So that's the spin-off of it, right?  Yes.  Let's talk to Jordan from Artichoke. There's a business opportunity there. I Should share that. I wonder if he watches that show. He'll appreciate that It's always it's always great when you meet people and you shake their hand and you say something nice to him And you talk to him it seems like today more than ever the more there's like shocked by it If you guys experienced this we're like, wow, you're really a nice guy You're like I am you don't get that every day like people are not like that. Thank you looked at me Yeah, you shake my hand. Wow, it's it's crazy. I'm looking forward to when we get to the point in the future with tech that will actually be able to like Read like our deficiencies and stuff that on our body like where we're missing like micronutrients Like how I'm supplementing with vitamin D or how yeah, the knowledge aspect of is amazing Imagine of waking up in the morning and being like who the screen comes up in front of my face says Adam You're lacking in D3 see this and all this like that and then those are the exact side take my Organified my green juice followed by this and then I got the exact stuff that I need to take Before I start my day and then oh the next day like great job You've got right on point on all your totals that Amazon comes and gives you pills, you know, right, right? He knows that I'm almost out drones. I have three days left of your Organified juice Oh, I think it's shipped over to my house. I mean, so there's to me. There's a lot of things. There's a huge There's huge benefits as well huge benefits. There's just any time we have something that's very powerful It's not men humans are just like this it can go good or it can go bad And it's up to us to choose which direction we go and unfortunately when something new is introduced We usually go real bad before we go bad and then we start cleaning up Have you been mixing the green and the red by the way the Organified green yeah Christmas action Christmas mix. Yeah, no you you told me that I think that because I asked you I said Is there anything that's compounds that are conflicting, right?  I don't know who took the other. There's like no more red We've gone through so many the red already. I don't know you Justin I mean, I took one of them. Did we get more do we get more of the green juice than we got the red because I feel like okay We did do so we did I was like this doesn't make sense I don't are you using it before your workouts and stuff for yeah Sometimes I'll have it in the morning like so on during the cruise. I was having it every morning Just it became like breakfast for me. I was I was having that stuff There's 25 calories in each so you get about you know 45 or 50 calories In there and it actually was holding me over until I had a meal later on in the afternoon So I was doing that during the cruise because I know I wasn't moving a lot But if you're on a normal day like today where I'll have breakfast and everything I will have it like maybe a half hour before I go to the gym and work out No, Justin's been using the probiotic. I have you asked me about that Have you were you using a probiotic before or is this your first? No, I just one consistent Consistently this is the first time and it really noticeably helped when I especially on vacation when I was eating like out more More consistently and so I made sure to like stay consistent with the probiotics and what does that help with? Are you getting better with your heartburn a little bit better of the heartburn and just you know my Sometimes like my gut doesn't feel too good like You know when I'm traveling primarily so but yeah at home in my continual use of it Between between that I mean there's a couple different factors. It could be that it could be that you know, I've Time to my food So I'm a little bit more in the middle of the day now instead of the end of my day and I'm also like cutting out certain types of Peppers that I've found what do you mean by that? You're at the beginning of the day middle day What are you talking about so I used to eat like more like at 8 o'clock or something like that for dinner Oh, okay, so I've shifted that more like six Oh, because then when you lay down to go to bed And it like and I like I knew that but like for me I just don't like to eat breakfast And so like I tend to skip that and then you know the way that we work throughout the week I can't eat like lunch until at least two or three o'clock typically so what I've done is I'll eat a smaller lunch and I'm sorry I'll eat a bigger lunch and then I'll eat a smaller dinner kind of at six o'clock So yeah, I tell you what one of the best things that I ever started to do and I don't remember what it Well, actually I do remember I remember I was having a cheeseburger I was eating a cheese I was eating a five guys burger.  I cannot do that anymore. That's something as a kid that never bothered me I could lay in bed and eat food and do whatever and I never I've never really noticed anything like that before or all sudden I started to pick up on this like whoa if I You know eat and I'm laying down or I'm pretty sedentary I really can feel the difference and so it's a it's a ritual for her and I that walking right after yes Yeah, that's our I've been doing that too. Yeah, that's our late night thing We eat dinner and then we typically walk the boys before we go to bed and I have men it I can I literally swear to God. I could I could feel it digesting. I mean it really makes me feel that So so when you move first of all gravity right into digestion So you're standing but then walking there are muscles like the so as for example Which is surrounded or on or around your digestive organs that actually helps massage Food down movement does definitely do that So eating and then just sitting is not as probably not the best thing to do It's not the move. Yeah, have you guys taken or tried using the turmeric the organify turmeric? I haven't actually okay, so turmeric Inflammatory I know that to anti-inflammatory anti-cancer it boost I've read a study about it boosting brain-derived neurotropic factor I like to cook with turmeric as much as possible because of its health benefits But if I don't then now that we have the how do you use it when you're cooking? Oh chicken rice like curries stuff like that Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's really really especially goes good with coconut coconut creams or whatever.  It's considered now a super food There's a lot of study going into turmeric for its effect on especially arthritis patients are showing a benefit with Supplementing with kukumen, which is the one of the active compounds in turmeric It boosts brain-derived neurotropic factor in the brain. So that's something that your brain really thrives thrives off of so Theoretically could improve cognitive function. I've all like I said for the last Four years. I've really tried to include it in a lot of my dishes But now that we have the sponsorship I've been I've just been taking turmeric and I'll take it with a meal that's got fat in it because it helps Your body absorb it or utilize it more, but I'd like to since you guys don't ever use it or really haven't I'd like to get your guys's take on supplementing on it on a daily basis. Well ever it cooks with it a lot So, okay. Yeah, he cook so I do get it in food quite often. So What's your what's your idea though on like the RDA on it? Like how much of it do I need to be taking that's a great if I'm already intermittently getting it like what's That's a great question. So I don't know I know studies Will use a regular daily dose of it And so that's how I'm using it now just because we have like I said, we have the sponsorship So we've got the the capsules and I could just take four of them every single day. I'll take them with dinner But some cultures eat it all the time like Indian cultures eat quite a bit of it And they're cooking so I would I would say especially if you have inflammatory issues or if you have gut issues Because really good for gut health. I would use it on a daily basis Because it's a food and not and or like a you know, like a plant not a supplement in the sense that it's not an extract or whatever You could probably use it every day. Now. Do you think that it has? Countering effects if I actually took it with like a food that was a food that was like pro inflammatory and And would that help negate that because I took it together with that? That's a great question. The because I know and I've talked about this before with the the way the cell absorbs Omega three. Yeah, threes and nines that the nines are more dominant and more and more competitive So if you Overconsume the nines that doesn't even matter if I take in the threes because they they basically push the threes out of the cell So that's a good question.  I'm gonna take this turmeric now to off track cancel it out I don't think it works that way It's not a it's not a it's not a pharmaceutical with this That's why I wanted to ask you because I think that's important for people to understand that because Again why my pub is always stood by like, you know save your money on the supplements that you know You got it You got to have the diet right first before you take some of these things otherwise great question got a cancelling Great point. I I don't know how much benefit it'll give you if you have a shitty diet and you don't exercise I think it's a part of a healthy diet. I again Ideally, this is what you would do you would either put it make a smoothie and take some turmeric root and throw it in there It'll be it'll it'll be kind of strong tasting that or get and cook with it on a regular basis or Just supplement with it one of the more fascinating things about turmeric is it's also being studied for its effect on depression and The theory is is because of its effect on inflammation That it may benefit people with depression because it's we're starting to show now that depression Is strongly linked to Inflammation which could be connected to your gut health and all that other stuff But reducing inflammation is being shown to help people with depression and turmeric is one of those things. So it's a yeah pretty fascinating stuff Today's quads being brought to you by Chimeric coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the Chimeric link at mine pump media comm and input the discount code mine pump a check out for 10% off First up is Carter's Consumptions what you guys think is an optimal caffeine intake? How much is too much? Are there any benefits to caffeine? Yes. Yes, and yes an espresso shots. Yes. Yes, and yes caffeine is a very interesting stimulant chemical found in nature That humans have been consuming for a very very long time and it's interesting because Shitty part is it's very individualized, right? I mean each person is gonna be different levels Oh, it's there's a huge. There's a huge just like with everything, right? But caffeine has got some huge Variants from individual to individual there is and I had to look this up because I don't know the name of it But caffeine is mainly metabolized by the liver and it and there's an enzyme that is used to metabolize it And I wrote it down here. It's called CYP1A2 But the ability to produce this enzyme is regulated like a robot is regulated by a particular gene So if you have changes in this DNA sequence of this gene Then it that'll determine how efficiently you can metabolize caffeine and eliminate it from the body So some people genetically produce very little of this enzyme what others produce a large amount that right there will play a large role in How tolerant you are to caffeine? So What may be great and effective and healthy for one person may be too much For another individual so this is very important to know because I'm about to read off all the health benefits of caffeine Yeah, let's let's read off the signs and symptoms that you should pay attention Well, well because I'm first let me I'll go into like with the health benefits But I'm one of the people that is very sensitive to caffeine So if I didn't you're a pussy if I have if I didn't pay attention to this And I just saw the benefits and I may continue to push caffeine and continue to get negative side effects in which case Caffeine's not good for me. Yeah, so it's it's important thing to know. So I actually looked up all of the studies that so these are all the proven benefits of caffeine first off consumption of caffeine Reduces the instance of mouth throat cancer and liver cancer by a tremendous amount. Yes. Yeah coffee in particular But caffeine as well caffeine reduces risk of stroke it reduces the risk of type 2 diabetes reduces chronic information It helps people with asthma Let me back up real quick here because I want to when we read things like this So when it says something like can reduce Diabetes now you're going now is that Starbucks is that is that because I can show that You know studies show that people that take in caffeine then move more than in turn burn more calories than in turn can help Prevent them from getting diabetes. Is that the thought process behind black coffee This isn't like, you know with two pumps of caramel. I just want of course No, I just want to I just want to help people understand that when when I see stuff like this that's kind of how my brain works because It's not like there's this direct thing that helps prevent diabetes because you drink coffee every morning. No, it's okay. Caffeine in particular increases insulin sensitivity in the body So because it increases insulin sensitivity theoretically it reduces Risk of diabetes and studies done specifically on diabetes do show that caffeine consumption Does reduce the risk of diabetes? So it's I don't know if it's super Conclusive that that is the only factor that's doing it, but it's pretty It's pretty it's pretty well established It's the it's the reason why I say that it's the same way that someone can can put caffeine or something inside of a fat Burner and then you can call it a fat burner because you can say that Because you're on caffeine it then speeds the heart rate up It then makes you move more in turn you burn more calories Therefore I can now say that it can help burn fat. Well in terms of fat burning There's a few things that caffeine may benefit in turn in that particular sense one is yes Like Adam saying you're more energetic. You may want to move more It in prove increases the the release of catecholamines, which are fat burning chemicals It does increase or improve insulin sensitivity In the body and it increases fat mobilization on its own. So those three things Show that it can help you with obesity all those other things. However This is now here comes the caveats you build a tolerance to caffeine pretty quickly So all those those potential fat burning effects You they reduce dramatically over time caffeine tolerance is very quick.  Yeah, right. Oh, I get it I build up a tolerance within days. I know when I drink one and I start getting sleepy.  Yeah, like sometimes like I'm like, okay I need to totally back off and start over again. I'm actually at that point right now I'm at a point where I know not that I'm getting sleepy, but I know that it's it's been a while since I've totally cut out my caffeine And I and I haven't done that and I'm due for that I did the marijuana one not too long ago. So then I kind of cycle I said, there's all these things that I find that I do a lot that they've got lots of benefits to them and I'm pro Caffeine I'm pro marijuana, but I also recognize that both those things really quick You can build a tolerance up to and then before you know it you're having to intake a ton of it Just to feel that I think I think that's the real truth behind this and that because we can't give like a Milligram dosage per person because every you know, someone like Sal who's sensitive to it can take in 25 milligrams And he's like flying where someone like Justin probably has to take 200 milligrams just to fill the same No way more like I take a hundred milligrams or 200 for me is I'm fucking on fire a hundred is good Justin or even Adam I've seen you guys consume five hundred six hundred in the sitting no problem Besides the coffees that you're drinking if I had 500 milligrams of caffeine at one time No joke. I would be a lot of fun.  I would either get nauseous or sick or I'd probably having I'd have to go to hospital I could I would get that I when I used to overdo it when I was younger my hands to get a trimmer Well, more people are hospitalized for overconsumption of caffeine than almost anything else in terms of like things that will consume It's actually quite common. Here's the other thing, too if you're in a chronically stressed state and you're suffering from the symptoms of you know, eight You know HPA access type issues like cortisol Resistance or what some people will call adrenal fatigue.  That's gonna make cortisol levels higher You just start working on dampening it down. Absolutely and like on your point Adam when it comes to you know Building a tolerance of things what you want to understand is there's at a particular dose There's benefits at more of a dose you don't get more benefits You just get more side effects and when you build up a tolerance when you build up a tolerance What ends up happening is you need to take more to feel the same benefits You know, this is kind of a piggybacking off the topic that we just did that a lot of people have been sharing was the rich Piana discussion about steroids and stuff and we talk about that steroids by themselves and the use of it There's studies to show the health benefits and how it can be totally safe and fine But what ends up happening because you build a tolerance for that too, you know You can see and I being somebody who's who's done hormone therapy for a long time I know that when I can tell when my body is not Responding the same way from from a dosage and it's like I have two choices either one That's when I should wing off and come off of it for a while and then reintroduce or two Yeah, I have to increase which I told told you guys before my body already tells rejects it after I get to a certain point I already feel the adverse I can see and feel these signs are coming up if I start pushing up to the 400 500 milligram range which some of these guys that's a stream That's that's being off, you know for some of these guys that are So when you think about you know, we're talking about caffeine and I'm comparing to steroids I know they're completely opposite But the idea of how this could lead to Something that could be totally fine and safe and not dangerous to something that could actually have some adverse effects Or even become potentially dangerous for somebody think about it this way. It's like if I Have a high-performance vehicle and I just hammer gasoline in there and the car tries to adapt by shrinking the tube that Injects the engine with gasoline so that I'm taking in less and less even though I'm adding more and more gasoline So eventually I'm adding so much gasoline it weighs the car down. It's spilling out of the freaking gas tank I'm getting all these side effects when you're taking these substances. It's not just the amount of the substance that needs to be considered It's also your ability to assimilate it and use it and that includes receptor sites that are open for it So, you know a hundred milligrams of caffeine may affect you amazingly because you've got all these wonderful Receptors that are open to it once those receptors start to down regulate I have to take more and more caffeine to get the same effect But now because I have so much more caffeine the side effects start to go up So now instead of getting energy and feeling great and motivated from caffeine I just it makes me feel normal at best or at worst. I feel shitty irritable Shaky anxiety those types of things so if you like the effects of Substances like caffeine and you love the way it makes you feel one of the best things you could do is Give yourself a schedule like literally say I will allow myself no more than X amount of coffee Per day and on these days. I don't have any at all. I like to do that I like to not have caffeine on days that I don't have much to do I'm gonna relax then why have it and it's gonna cut it off. Yeah, just some point in your day So you can start the process of ramping down. I do something similar. So mine is the the two cups of coffee So if I start finding myself wanting more than two cups of coffee That's my sign and you go back the other direction because I have my morning ritual I pour a cup just regular coffee not Starbucks a little mug, you know from heat when I drive from work to here And then normally I either pour a cup from our our tap first cup doesn't count So and then the second one is that if I find myself reaching forward again Mid-afternoon or another time through the day or you know, like you said where we've slammed 500 600 and having a huge venti one or that that is my sign that okay It's time for me to come back the other direction Which is where I'm at right now right now I'm at this two cups of coffee and I don't feel like I'm really getting anything from it where the next Step for me is to have a third cup of coffee where I'm like, okay now I'll come back the other way and then you just get you just get more side effects and when you when you manage it that way Like when I'm managing things properly a small amount of you know, Camara coffee or 100 milligrams of caffeine in a caffeine pill or whatever man, I feel fucking great. I'm motivated energized creative I have I can have good workouts. Everything's fantastic if I bump it up to the point where I'm going 200 250 milligrams I get I have way less benefit and effects from it and more way more side effects. So it's also just Just milking out the benefits of it and this is true for almost anything, but especially for caffeine But again, there is a big variance find what your sweet spot is where you feel great and you don't feel any negatives and Try to play with staying around that which means you're probably gonna have to reduce it at least a couple days a week To maintain that effect quick commercial break you guys we keep getting asked all the time How can I support the mine pump family? Here's one of the best ways you guys can you guys love that?  Oh for sure 100% 100% a big part of your brain is devoted to Your senses touch Movement sight smell all these different things your brain develops you know connections You know neurological connections to these types of things Avoiding them or not using them means that your brain is probably not going to opt Operate in an optimal way you see this with music, you know We've cut music from schools For a long time now because we don't think it's important like math and science right because well music gives a shit You're not gonna make money doing music But now we have conclusive studies that show when children learn music they do better math science and writing right same thing Is true with movement if you lose the development because your brain will it will lose just like anything It prioritizes yes, and if you stop doing something your brain loses its ability We were literally talking about this last night Katrina was making a copy we just getting back from our trip Finished up the books that we were reading We are about to pick the book that we're gonna go through next and We were just talking about this the whole process of us staying on that and we're just kind of like you know I'm glad we've been consistent with that with everything that we've had going on and this and that and she was like She's like I can tell a difference in you when you're reading and when you're not and she's like just your your Creativity and your ideas with your business the way you think and she goes I can she goes being an outsider and paying attention to you I always know when you're really reading a lot and then when you're kind of not and it's just like you're still a great person Both ways she goes, but I can just shows up in your conversation and all that and so and really you're exercising a part of the brain Right in the sense right so we can we're comparing it to a muscle. You're exercising a pathway here, right? And that's what when you exercise There's a neurological connection from the brain to the fingers like Sal saying so if I wiggle my fingers There's a neurological connection from the brain to there that are telling those muscles to wiggle and move If you stop doing that it becomes harder to do that same thing goes for exercising the brain with Thinking processes through mathematical equations through creativity through all these these different pathways in your brain that tap into this If you don't exercise that you don't stretch it you don't train it You will lose it and it will start to diminish so I wanted to pose a question like so you know about Neuroplasticity and you know about the lawsuit that that one company got that was like Promoting brain games and that it was it was supposed to you this talked about this in the book. Okay, that that's actually not true Yeah, yeah, okay, so I wanted it. Yeah, I was I'm curious about that and what the lawsuit entailed and that's why yeah They talked on the book I think they claims were that they was gonna make your brain work better by exercising it with right particular games It's like that the reality is what have carry over no and but the yeah, and the reality is what's what's best for your brain is a very sensory rich environment so an environment that includes touch movement sight sound And being able to process all these things in different ways and it also means all different stimulus different stimulus And it also means sometimes shutting off other things by it's like going in a quiet room or whatever to focus on other You know parts of your of your mind so it operates completely different. Yes, and those are things that develop a brain that operates In functions in an optimal way we know again movement Let's look at exercise for for example that has been removed from schools now for a while because again We think it's not important But we now know for a fact that movement and exercise has a direct relationship with how well you think and process and your IQ They will add they will actually show that when people exercise Regularly they will have a raise or a boost an IQ and you can experience this Instantly instantly literally if you're sitting there and you feel like you have brain fog and you're tired Get up out of your chair go for a walk outside do some push-ups do a trigger session, whatever I guarantee you within 10 to 15 minutes.   You know in the question.  It's like the sensory overload you know what I'm saying No, it's true and you and this so they've done this with studies with people who've had Cochlear implants in their in their ears where they were deaf For a long time or even as children then they'll put this implant and they can hear for the first time It's too much overload You have to be careful because it takes a second for the brain to be able to process and all the sensory otherwise it becomes Overwhelming the sound becomes well and to to piggyback off that too What happens would that what always happens with somebody who is missing one of those right like let's see you're blind Or you can't hear the other ones are heightened, right? Now the brain is prioritizing more over there, which just tells you that the the ability There's so much more room for us to enhance all these areas if the focus and the training or the you know You start to put I don't know what the word. I'm looking for here emphasis Yeah more emphasis on it on that whatever that that strength is or that pattern or that pathway is in your brain And it's fascinating to me to see that when you have somebody who is either deaf or blind or has Something that they're they're lacking normally the other senses are way beyond the average person. Yeah, you're you're Honestly, you're your best bet for a good healthy brain Includes for sure includes Movement it's very very important for you to move and feel and touch things You know the Soviet Union did some horrible horrible studies, but they were they were very fascinating But they did them on children or where babies were orphaned or whatever or you know Put it for adoption is his birth and they did these studies where they took babies that they they they fed them and you know Kept them warm and all that stuff, but they weren't allowed to be touched So the nurses the never the nurses never went in there and held them and caressed them But they just fed them put them back in there and then they had a other group of children they became Putin Exactly, they got they were sick. They were sickly. They had issues with I mean Mental issues like all because they weren't getting touched or felt Well, and that's a very extreme case of what can happen, but if you neglect movement with your body In any particular way, you're just not reaching your optimal potential It doesn't mean you have to be this super athlete or anything like that Just realize its importance and music is one of those things Movement is one of those things touch is one of those things You know Communication is one of those things reading math all these things is provides us rich environment for your brain to really develop to its full Capacity. Yeah, have you guys seen that documentary Icarus? No, okay It goes over like the Soviet involvement with like, you know, like PEDs and all that like how they've been sneaking past all the the ways that they test for it and They got one of the one of the main scientists there in the lab Like they got him to kind of come forward and oh, is this he's the cyclist? Yes Oh, I want to watch this. It was very very fascinating Like how they were able to get beyond all these like really really strict Protocols, uh-huh, dude, didn't he get on Netflix wasn't he getting in like trouble for it or something? Yeah, you had to go into witness protection because because he was giving away Yeah, I mean it literally went back to like the beginning of the Olympics like they've been doing it since like way back Well, they talked about that in a sponsored a stay sponsored bigger stronger faster They touched on I think I think it was bigger stronger faster that touched on that a little bit How I mean what that's how we were getting our asses handed to us back back then they were just Pounding us because we they were able to Fool the test and everybody and then then then all of a sudden that's where the US finally got aboard like oh, okay So the name of the game. Yes, so here's how you do is to you know Is to get your athletes to take this stuff but then to find ways to cheat the test Well, what do you think why do you think when this the Soviet Union collapsed and a lot of their coaches came here all of a sudden? I said we're doing awesome Didn't he didn't he take them all so he was natural right and then they gave all these drugs It started out as being like about the cyclist and like him experimenting and kind of going through that process How much it can improve? Yeah, see how it can improve and like he kind of through the process realized that it didn't It wasn't gonna make him like even in the top ten like he got really like bummed out like he actually performed worse The the following race after being on PEDs for that year So oh well it went kind of beyond that story and then it got more into like he connected to this scientist who Was kind of like getting all his urine and getting all the samples and you know kind of like Like telling him the protocol of what he needs to do To get you know beyond these tests and all that kind of stuff And then it turned into him and his story of how he'd been getting beyond all these things because it was state Mandated and like how you know the KGB was involved and all this stuff is it's crazy Yeah, next up is Godzilla one one one two What do you think of the sled? Where does it fit in two ones workout? Yeah, I like it mainly because like especially with clients that Maybe maybe they have a bit of Biomechanic issues or things that like you know you want to address in the squat But you still want them to you know to get good conditioning good strength work, you know that kind of stuff like It's really really low impact. It's a really low impact exercise that You know is a great a great one to kind of throw into the mix I have seen I saw a huge gains from adding the sled into my routine. It has become a staple In almost all of my leg training like I just absolutely and I do some back stuff with it But I love to pull and drag push the sled. Yeah, I've done it Before my workouts in the middle of my workouts after my workouts There's lots of ways that you can use it and it's in arguably one of the most functional things that you can do because in real life like Getting getting strong in pushing something or pulling something is really more likely that you're going to use that primal Yeah, that skill opposed to you know When are you ever gonna put a load it load something on the back of your traps and squat down as much as much as Especially for a bunch of reps, right? Exactly and we talk about and the squad is the king of all exercises But when you even when you talk about and in one of the most functional things you do and I'm not debating that here But you know the sled sled pooling and pushing is right up there and the the amount of muscle that you can build The pumps that you can get from it are in it's a different stimulus They compliment each other so well, you know, it really like sort of fulfills like the need You know of your muscles like it so it's not just like this this very specific Contraction where I'm like squatting down into depth and coming up and getting you know my hips involved. This is like I'm driving I'm constantly pumping, you know blood into my legs and it's it's pretty gnarly. I also like to use it as a Increasing my volume and frequency So like if I'm putting like a lot of emphasis on you know growing my legs right now, you know I'm training my legs two to three times in the week and then on top of that Once or twice during maybe a chest or shoulder type of workout I'm gonna go over and drag or push the sled for four or five rounds and get this great pump So you get I get the benefits from the and I'll the weight I'll choose according to how my legs feel like if I've already got a lot of damage and I'm trying to recover I'm gonna do a lighter weight I'm gonna push the sled working on my mechanics and just get some blood flow there get some calories burn if I My legs feel great and recovered. I might stack some more weight on there and push it a few times So well, go ahead well I'm gonna say one of the reasons why it's such a good thing to add in terms of frequency is In particular because when you're pushing a sled, you're not doing heavy heavy negatives on the reps It's all positive. It's a good point. It's push push push It's not push and lower push and lower and the negative portion of reps although it is responsible for a lot of muscle growth It's also responsible for a lot of muscle damage Yeah, so there is some some benefit you can take advantage of that right you can take advantage of the fact that You can push something heavy and not get as much damage as if you were, you know Doing a squat or a lunge or something like that. Mm-hmm and like Adam saying adding it to add volume and frequency But without getting a lot of the damage. That's a great thing.  Yeah from the position where you're not, you know, storing all this right You're not getting that elastic. Yeah potential exactly. So yeah sleds a great way To add volume and frequency. I know we've done some videos on sleds. Yeah, haven't we? Like some of our very first ones I think yeah, we've done some videos Maybe we can do some more you can check them out on YouTube on our channel Yeah I just I just made a note on our because I'm made a note on a couple things actually that we can do some some YouTube videos on In regards to the stuff that we're talking about today. So we'll do maybe we'll do another series That's related to the sled that how other ways you can use cuz I think we originally did just basic, you know Here's driving pulling. Yeah, we just did the real basic how to do it, but we could also do You know different ways to implement it into your programming I think that would be a cool video right you know more for strength and right more for yeah conditioning because I use it for both Right. I use it for hypertrophy. I'm just a virgin. There you go So I think we could do a video on on different ways to program it. I think kind of cool quick commercial break Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support mine pump. Here's what you can do you can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mine pump and get 20% off brain FM for meditation or focus you can also go to audible trial Dot-com forward slash mine pump and get a 30-day trial plus one free audio book Lastly you can go to good get nature blend dot-com forward slash mine pump And you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield CBD products Next up is glengster nation glengster Can entrepreneurship be taught site? If so, can you spot an individual who has huge potential as an entrepreneur? Is that something that people have to realize on their own? When did you guys realize that you were entrepreneurs? Yes. Yes. Yes and 12 It's interesting that's an interesting question. It's a good question. Okay, so I'm I tend to be more of a growth mindset individual at least I strive to be and so I believe Many things can be taught. I definitely think there's Individual You know propensity for certain things But can somebody learn how to be more of an entrepreneur through training and through coaching that if they never had that training and coaching? I definitely believe I don't but I also think some people are just naturally better I don't think it's an argument at all I think it's no different than the way we talk about people being genetically gifted to be bodybuilders and be massive and huge some people Have a genetic gift and are gonna respond well the steroids respond Well, the weights and are gonna look just absolutely You're gonna have people that just have this gift in town But I also think that you can build an incredible physique that could get up there and compete with some of the best Maybe not be the best but compete with the best and not be as naturally gifted the same thing works with Entrepreneurship and this ability is some people were just born to lead. We're born to create We're born to do these risk takers Yeah, right this we're born to do this and you could argue that because I do think that a lot of these type of things are We're developed in this as a young is a young child like during that five to seven seven years old I believe that there's things that happen to you that you didn't like it took me a while before I Unpacked this all the way to where I was five and I've had people actually asked me this and sit me down and go like Okay, we'll go further back like what made you think this way and so I have shared this one time that You know, I remember being a young kid not having having a lot As far as you know money and things like that and our family would you know would would always talk about how it's you know It's all about love and God and family and that was like that was the core and everything else doesn't matter and money is evil and So I was taught that as it had a very very young age But then I would see my my friends that had things and lots of money And and yet they were happy and they had all these things and so I started to make that Connection at a very early age and then I saw the the work and the things they would do and I saw that you know This this my buddy's dad created this business and he did all these things and he had all this financial freedom And then this other friend created this business and did that and I was started to see this And I thought like you know, I I wanted I want that like I want I want that at an early age And I and I know I I made that connection early on I didn't really notice it until I was older And that it probably stemmed all the way from those early years So I do think that part of it is nature part of it is nurture I think that I Definitely think that it's not for everybody though. I think a lot of people think it sounds cool to work If you really break it down, it's not cool. Yeah Start of companies is horrible. We've talked about this before right 80% fail, you know, 80% fail 20% Are successful and then when you when when you measure 20% the 20% a big portion that and I forgot what the percentage was I know I've read this somewhere But a majority of that 20% only make like a get by making a living, you know Like enough to support them or their family, which is it's not like huge money There's an even smaller fraction and we're getting in the like one percentile them that turn this their Entrepreneurship or their business into a multi-million dollar company. So it's it's definitely Glamorized a lot and it is especially in in American culture because you know, we are you know, Capitalistic society. So we see people who've you know done well for themselves as the ones that that you know The big successes and we learn about them and read about them and it's very glamorized I've read a few studies on this On this particular subject in particular and they've done studies. They've done studies to identify What characteristics successful entrepreneurs have that are different than just everyday people and there's like 14 or something That people have identified but the ones that stick out to me the most are Drive drive and energy Self-confidence and a low fear of failure. So I'm gonna break those three down as as to why I think those are the most important Drive and energy. I think is extremely important because you have to have a an internal sense of Motivation and desire to do what you do when you work for someone else You have a little bit of an external. It's more of an external drive, right?  I want you to do this I need you to complete that and so you're driven by deadlines or driven by You know what someone else is kind of telling you to do when you're an entrepreneur You have to be driven to do that yourself It's imagine going to school never having to take a test never having to take You know turn in homework like if you're passionate about the subject You'll learn a lot if you're not you're not going to because you don't have to turn anything in So that's one of the number one things the second one. I say was self-confidence self-confidence is very very important in entrepreneurship because you literally have to believe that you are going to defy Terrible odds. Yeah, you know I'm saying because the odds are terrible odds are horrible if you just if I if If I'm statistically, it's a really bad idea Speaking you're gonna fail like that's just this just the statistics as an entrepreneur You have to have a healthy level of narcissism to where you believe that you are different than all the other 80% of failures like well, okay. I know everybody believe it hard Yeah, I know everybody fails, but I'm not gonna fail because I mean so you have to have that belief and it's not false It needs to be a real sense of self-confidence Otherwise you would never be an entrepreneur in the first place and then the last the third one that I thought was really important is a low fear of failure of Really terrible strong strong fear of failure Will and has prevented many many entrepreneurs from succeeding because I've used this example in the past But you know, we just you know It's like when you watch a boxing match and you watch a fighter Fight to win versus a fighter who's fighting to not lose you cannot go into business Playing to not lose like I can't go in there Just trying not to fail trying not to shut down my business try not to fail because at best you'll you'll maybe You know be okay to where maybe you're not in the red and you'll just have this kind of subpar business at best What's more likely is a lineup failing versus going in there thinking I'm here to win I'm here to succeed me's necessary totally different thought process different decision process It's a very very different way of being so those are the three things that I've identified as being the most important and I've seen people like this who've worked for me in the past and By the way, you could be a great leader You could have all this amazing leadership potential, but that doesn't mean you're gonna be an entrepreneur either You could just maybe a great leader within the business I've worked with both both types of people and and you know, I've worked in different companies where you know Immediately I knew inherently and would still bulldoze through because of the way I am but I knew inherently like if we're starting to add All these these risks and we're trying to mitigate our risk right from the very beginning That's a bad sign. You're not an entrepreneur.  It's the main focus and everything they can do they have a plan the plan the plan the plan and It just in my in my experience has never worked out for the best But on the flip side to that, you know, so very skillful very much knowledgeable, you know But it's like it's hard for people to realize that this is a totally different animal and that you know These same skills and applications that you have gotten you so far working for a company Like completely don't translate to entrepreneurship. So it it's a humbling thing You know, it's a humbling thing for a lot of people to you know, go through that So I give props to anybody that at least tries it out and they're you know In that other type of personality where like they really thrive more working for somebody I can and you can be in the middle by the way, like you can you can have a job That is entrepreneurial like but is not full-on entrepreneurship like you could be like a real estate agent Where you work with you know brokers you you work for you know, whatever, you know Century 21 or whatever and you you still have to be self-motivated, but you but you also have some of the tools Owning a franchise. That's a little bit more entrepreneur But you still have the you know products provided for you. You have the training materials You have the advertising provided for you. So that's another step. That's so there's different. I guess yeah There's different levels of entrepreneurship That you can embark on I I can I can definitely spot somebody Especially by their verbiage Like when you talk to somebody who's having a challenge in business How they talk about their challenges tells me so much about if they're a true entrepreneur or not Because it's crazy you'll see a lot of people who get into entrepreneurship thinking that they are for it and then you ask them about their business or things that are going on and When they explain the struggles or the hard parts or the things that they're not doing well Or they put a facade on like they're doing so much better than what they were all so the the fake entrepreneur fakes is fakes how good he's doing or Blames all these other Factors on the the lack of their success versus owning Why their business or what they're trying to do is not succeeding which I think And that kind of ties back to some of the things that Sal was saying that you you've got to be this this person who Is okay with failure and embraces it when it happens like fuck.  I thought this was best for my business fucked up on to the next thing Like this is what I'm doing now, you know, and you and you own those failures Versus oh, you know just the market isn't really good right now and just I'm having a real hard I mean I ordered this and it was supposed to come through and it was just not you know And you know people are totally trying to with blaming everybody else, but what you're currently doing So I can always tell somebody That was meant to do it. I mean when I look at the team that we're building here now I mean I tell you what like in in the at least in our space in the fitness industry I'll put our starting five against anybody else is starting five. That's how confident. I feel about Who who I work with and the team of entrepreneurs our forward that we've had we've put And surrounded ourselves all the way down to people that are behind the scene that people don't know about that I mean that these people are all the the core that we have now are all Individual entrepreneurs that are respond and we knew that if we were gonna grow this thing to something great that it Would require that like we're not even we're barely getting to the place where we have people on staff that are Just there for little jobs that pay like our hourly wage that just okay You do this and that's all you do and we don't need thinkers and entrepreneurs that are wanting to help grow this because this thing Needs to grow right ask ask yourself if you're wondering this first of all if you're wondering if you're an entrepreneur or not Mmm, I don't know is that a bad sign maybe well I tend to think entrepreneurs tend to be like yes, but then again self-doubt tends to kick in a little bit Ask yourself this How much do you value? Autonomy, you know, how much do you value the ability for you to do? Whatever you want and make decisions on your own if you list your things of your priorities in terms of here's the most important things that I value in my career and Autonomy is not number one. Then you probably shouldn't be an entrepreneur. Do you read the instructions? Yeah That's okay. Well determiner entrepreneurs value autonomy more than anything I have to I'll tell you something right now I have made Fucking way less money Because I valued autonomy over a paycheck where I'm like, you know, I had offers to work for companies We're gonna pay me way more money than I was making but I couldn't Fathom the idea of not having that an autonomy I'd rather make less and have my own freedom to do what I'm gonna do with my belief in my potential Which I think the the 20% that I was talking about earlier Fall in that category a majority of them it to be honest are just okay with hey You know what? I probably could go work for another company and make more money But I like that I like the ability to come and go as I please take vacations when I want work extra hard when I want to make more Money let off the throttle and make less money when I don't want to and I enjoy that freedom And I'm okay with that and there's nothing wrong with that.  I was it was day one a hundred percent like when I first started working as a personal trainer You know I did very well right off the bat quickly became bored Fitness manager did real well got bored went into sales manage gyms quickly got bored Bought my own and that was it so I was 21 years old when I first became an entrepreneur and I Realized very quickly and mine and the good managers by the way And this is a hats off to some of the excellent managers I've worked for, you know Don Cardona was one of them John Romeo was another one Dean Pappas was even like this with me where Reggie Allison was like this even where They recognized early on if they left me the fuck alone that I would do great if they came up and tried to manage me That I would so I would just perform terribly because I could not stand it and that's that's that's a I think that may be a Trait amongst entrepreneurs like leave me alone. Let me do my thing Yeah, trust me and I will do way better. Oh my god, then if you're on my life story Yeah, and I didn't even realize that because that was always like how it went for me in every sport I was at like so Coaches quickly realized that the less they coached me the better I performed and You know it came to a point where sometimes I would have to actually explain that You know and I would tell them, you know what time it was but like and I never Also, I'd never quit anything ever like that was one thing that always stuck with me Like, you know through the times of the you know, I would persevere Regardless and I know that's like more of an athlete type of a trait, but I feel like that definitely applies Into business and like you said being scared of failure. Can we talk about that forever? That's just something I thrive and failure, you know, like I want I want to press my boundaries and And work my way through tough times. You just reminded me of a big mistake I think I see so many entrepreneurs make too is and I think I've said this before on the podcast about Loving your ideas and not marrying them And when you look at the statistics on the the fail rate, right of you know, 80 percent And if you are an entrepreneur and you're going to be that even if you are that guy and or girl Every every millionaire or really really successful entrepreneur that I ever met None of them. I don't know one.  You got to be okay with being wrong.   I'm not gonna try again. Whereas real Self-confidence is this is a great idea. I know it's gonna work. Oh, it doesn't work I know I can figure out a different way now figure a different way Maybe it's at another time.  It's actually comical if you think about it.  We didn't know the the odds we didn't even look up the odds I think we just said let's just do this And we've learned a lot of lessons along the way and it's been okay. It's been that's been a great process Looking back it's comical like if you go back if we had a group of guys that came in right now and told us You know, hey guys, we love mind pump. We want to start a podcast and you say, oh, what's your experience? What do you know process and they said, well, I don't know.  You don't know anything but that was us That was literally us We knew nothing of what we're going to do except the fact that we felt we had we had a passion for what we're going to do And we were confident in what we're going to do and we were okay with failing in fact When and we've told this story before when mind pump when we first started mind pump We had a major setback before we even launched the show We had a major major setback and uh, I'll tell the story again Because that's been a while since we told us told the story. But when we started the show There were four hosts Uh, Craig Capurso was one of the original hosts of the mind pump that was never launched And we recorded 15 episodes With him that's a substantial amount of episodes. That's a lot of episodes for people who've never recorded episodes before especially Well, I think that's at least at least 15 hours worth of recording work and then Doug's backhand work I mean, it's a it's a good amount of work put in just to Not only is it that but a big part of our original plan A huge part when you write your business plan out, which we didn't write one out But we talked about it a huge part Of the business plan that was going to give us a chance at succeeding Was craig capurso's social media presence his social media presence Destroyed all of ours combined second closest with adams. It was adams and adams wasn't even anywhere near the ballpark Of craig's and so we were like, okay We understood that in order to make it in social media or podcast or whatever You want to have some kind of a foothold and that was craig and right before our launch Craig calls us up drops out doesn't want to do it because he's afraid his sponsors aren't going to like it whatever We have to start over from scratch. I got we got the text all of us got the text I read the text and I was like fuck. We lost our social media presence.  We've already recorded 15 episodes. We have to start from scratch I was fully prepared to have a motivating conversation with both adam and justin and dug I was going to get on the phone with everybody and try to convince them to keep moving forward That was my idea like, okay.  I got on the phone before I could open my mouth Before a word can come out of my mouth.  Like this is beautiful.  We're going at it I think there's an there's an element of Artist that comes out as an entrepreneur as well totally to where you have to be innovative Yeah, and you're just passionate about your idea and that just drives you You're so passionate about it that it it drives you to create and do and whatever you're going to do regardless Of the money because I'll tell you something right now.  Yeah, we would meet up and devote hours of our time To doing the show editing it Doug had a job full-time job. I've got kids. Justin's got kids We're all doing other things And why did we do it because we loved it? We were passionate about it like and I'll be honest with you Mine pump could reduce its its production of revenue by 90 something percent.  It's kind of within you Did you guys ever go did you because I actually had a moment growing up where I didn't want to be so At one point, uh, you know the very first thing I ever did to make money for myself was when I was 15 years old My mom had a drive was me and my my best friend at the time We started a lawn mowing service And uh, it's always when we start there I went door to door and and got all these these these accounts and You know, we didn't have our license so our you know, my mom would we'd we'd put the lawn mower in the back of my mom's Mini van and she would drop us off at the end of the street and we would basically push ourselves from door to To the each account that we had that we because we went previously before that door to door Firing not and we actually knocked on doors and talked to the people which was let me tell you It was probably one of the smartest things we did as a 15-year-old boy at that time I don't think we realized that how smart that was but I think back now like God if two young 15-year-old boys like knocked on my door and like We're trying to start a business where they had their flyer and they're like this is what we do Like I'd have a hard time saying no Right, right. So like such a such we've met a couple people a couple kids who I've been impressed with one was the young lady from the Actually adultish podcast like this girl's just a she's a little hustler You could see she's got that that entrepreneurial drive and spirit And she'll probably do well at some point doing something and then there was that other kid I can't remember his name Who he was he has a podcast as well and he was the one with the nut butter Oh, yeah travis marz marzo. He's also got that like you can sense it in him.  So yeah, you can tell but I went So that's how I started right.  You name it so And I and I got to know the the family really well and it was a husband and wife and they had three kids And I got close enough to actually get to See them open their books and I saw the revenue that they made and you know How much how much money it took to run the business?  It's the same. It's the same thing I know that we I have already felt that from people with with my impound They just think like, you know, oh because they have the studio and they have this now They're like, oh, they're just revenue is just they got all kinds of money that they have like no It doesn't work that way like that's just not how business works like You know, the the more you got going on the more revenue that is is going out to provide all that And that gave me a a new perspective on on this and I was like, man Fuck they don't get any they didn't have any days off They were seven days a week year round seven days a week could never because the cow's got to be milked twice a day Twice a day them suckers gotta gotta get milked and I was there. I was there. I was hired on there So was another friend of mine. So they had two employees Uh that worked for them and we were there to give them some sort of relief So they didn't have to literally work seven days a week So they could actually take one day off every now and then But they made just enough money to give themselves a day or two off Not even enough money to go put themselves on a family vacation or even leave or doing like that.  I don't know if I I want this Yeah, I don't know and you know, they worked hard and they they were organic milk dude. They were they were the fifth Uh organic dairy in california at the time. So there was only five four others at the time So talk about even having a brilliant idea I had we had ahead of the time we had organic almonds. We had organic milk And this was that that's actually how I learned about organic. I didn't know what organic was Until this time because at that point it was at the very beginning and so talk about and both them had their degrees So they were both very smart Hardworking had a great idea and vision on where the market was going And uh that business no longer exists that they they have that house there and the dairy has been shut down I haven't talked to them in a really long time and I I know they went different directions, but You know, I saw them run that business for about 10 years 10 years they they ran it like that and never saw This, you know, never made tons of money. It was just they basically just got by And worked their asses off just to get by and that gave me a whole new perspective on Reality wasn't so glamorized exactly and it really gut-checked me on do I want that? You know, do I do I really want something that could potentially I could be doing that? I love or is my idea But may just put me in a position to just get by And I think a lot of people Think they want to get on to be an entrepreneur because again, it's glamorized you think that you know it results in all this money and vacation and traveling and You know when when reality slaps you in the face and you don't take vacations, right? You don't take money out of the business If you do that, you know, you're done. Like right this is done. So it's tough most will tell you most Entrepreneurs, especially successful ones will tell you they've worked harder and more hours For themselves and they ever did for another person. Right. So, you know, I think You got to have a lot of people got to have a gut check First before they decide are you really an entrepreneur or not and the the real Like just born to be like entrepreneurs. You can't talk them out of it. Anyway, you know what I mean?  You're gonna fail. It's expensive Times and I'm gonna look at them and shake my head and be like, yeah, but I'll I'll be different like You know those true entrepreneurs a better human being I think they're gonna be entrepreneurs no matter. Well, I mean the other day I was rattling off the stats, right? I don't know if we released that episode yet or not.    I didn't realize it's that hard. Yeah. Yeah, it's exciting Check this out. Go to youtube. That's where you'll find some of the videos that we've referenced in this episode It's mind pump tv subscribe to the channel. It's actually blowing up at the moment our youtube channel Is starting to get really really popular. It's tons of content. 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