welcome everyone to modern day debate we are a neutral nonpartisan platform welcoming everyone from all walks of life if you're looking for even more fantastic debates we are all over the internet including your favorite podcasting platform like our new tiktok as well as all over like Spotify and YouTube so don't forget to like follow on twitch and subscribe because then you gain access that all button icon so if you enjoy debates like is Christianity true then you're gonna enjoy tonight's debate as we have Stewart and Nadir here to help us find out and if you enjoy what either of them have to say tonight our guest links are in the description below and you can also tag me in chat and AB Newman with your question or comment for the Q&A section but with that we are going to hand it over to the affirmative for their opening statement the floor is all yours yeah I believe I was gonna go first Amy that's okay with you story either way the floor is all yours alright I'll go ahead and go first well I want to thank Stewart for agreeing for this debate it's very rare for Christians to actually make themselves available to do to debate these type of topics because what you're gonna find is that it is indefensible the arguments against Christianity are indefensible I mean proof is in the pudding you could look here on modern-day debate how many Christian apologists really come forward to defend Christianity very very few they will not defend the against the scientific errors as well as other issues so you could look as far as the eyes can see and you're not going to see it so what are these arguments which absolutely disprove Christianity and prove it to be a false religion so let me go and share my my little desktop over here my little screen over here this is misery this is suffering which you're seeing on your screen this is a misery and suffering caused by the teachings of the holy Bible especially the teachings of Jesus but of course I don't believe these are really the teachings of Jesus so I don't have time to go into all of this but I'll just go into one let's do the one let's see how the Bible stigmatizes epileptics as being demon possessed so here we see a scientific error in the Bible so basically the first article which you could see over here and please hit pause on your YouTube channel or this video just to get all my references I'm gonna go to them very quickly so the first here that we now know from history that it is an ancient pagan myth to assume that epileptics were demon possessed as we can see from the link over here however we read a story in the Bible where this boy comes to Jesus with the same symptoms as an epileptic number one as you can see from my screen I'm quoting Matthew chapter 17 verse 14 so I'm just gonna go through this very quickly he had the symptoms that he would he would grit his teeth he would foam at the mouth he would tremor and he had this when he was a child anybody who knows about epilepsy and neurological issues we know that this this is a person who suffers from neuro neurological problems like epilepsy however Jesus according to the Bible basically and here's a reference which is talked about foaming at the mouth the gnashing of the teeth those are the symptoms of epilepsy yet Jesus claimed this boy was demon possessed which is repeating the same ancient pagan myth so now to save face the only way to save Christianity is for Stuart to say well no no that boy was not epileptic he was demon possessed you see demon possession and epilepsy they share the same symptoms they they grit their teeth format them out and shake and they he had it ever since he was a child now of course we know this is nonsense we know that kid was epileptic but let's let's go along with the conard okay sure you're gonna tell us today that that boy was really a demon possessed well that's not gonna really save you here why because now how do you tell the difference between the two how do you tell the difference between somebody who is demon possessed versus somebody who has epilepsy according to testament because the new testament is saying they have the same symptoms and now the result epileptics have been marked out for persecution for the next 2,000 years to be because they have been mistaken to be epileptics I'm sorry demon possessed epileptics have been mistaken to be demon possessed so let's take a look at a working example of the type of confusion the new testament causes this is from epilepsy.com it says over here this is this is a Christian or basically sharing a story he says has anyone had a problem with a religious family member whipping out mark 9 the chapter where Jesus healed a boy who apparently had seizures of some sort then declaring that you must have demons in you or some spiritual unrest my father recently did this so here we see the new testament causing epileptics to be stigmatized is a scientific error of the Bible now let me share with you the following research article by two neurologist Dr. Carl Otonnakin and Mia Tuff these are two neurologists who specialized in epilepsy in their research paper which you can see on your screen here it said the Christianization reinforced the belief in healing by ritual by religious rituals the new testament described how Jesus healed a boy is suffering from lunacy epilepsy and Jesus rebuked the devil so here we see that is even the medical community which is blaming the the scientific errors of the Bible for causing misery needless misery and suffering in in epileptics this was really God's word it would not cause this type of misery and suffering and not only that but many epileptics have been marked out for persecution and have been killed because of their alleged demon possession all the result of what Stuart is telling us is God's word now listen now now epileptic also came to Prophet Muhammad too does he repeat the same you know demon possession stuff which we find inside in the Bible no Prophet Muhammad refuses to say this man was demon possessed and here he says I will just pray for God to cure you so here we see it could this is one of the many corrections and this is why Stuart I want you to begin your journey on your way to Islam because a great evidence of Islam is that it corrects the scientific errors of the Bible this is just one of them and I have more to share with you but let's just I want to move on to other problems with the Bible so this one example alone disproves Christianity because you know these it's bad enough having scientific errors in your book but let alone causing needless misery and suffering to the most vulnerable people automatically dismisses any kind of serious consideration for this to be the true religion but it's going to get a lot worse now look at this picture which you see on your screen if you're on a treadmill or something please just come take a look at this here we see a man whipping a slave and I put out and there's a big happy face I put over there this is a Bible which puts a happy face on slave beating I'm not making this up I'll show it to you so the problem here is that you know anybody can look at this slave being whooped and whipped as a great evil there's no question about it but the Bible glorifies us and did you know the Bible says that this is your calling in life is to be whipped like what you are seeing in this picture over here but the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said now here comes the correction for the evil slave master who whips a slave he the gates of hell open up for you so here we can I'll get that reference in just a second but let me get to the Bible verse and let's look at how the happy face is that the Bible puts on slave beating over in 1st Peter chapter 2 verse 18 it says over here be servants be submissive to your master with all fear not only to the good and gentle but also to the harsh slave master you are to be submissive to him so let's talk about what is harshness inside the world of slavery so harshness is what you see in these pictures of which I'll pull up for you right over here of people being shackled up into these slave ships this is harsh this is what the Bible says you should accept it says over here and people being shackled up in these cages and being whipped and tortured mercilessly whipping torture it's the same thing to be very honest with you but the Bible opens up the door for their torture so it says over here for for this is commendable before for if because of the conscious towards God one endures grief suffering wrongfully for what credit is it if you when you are beaten for your faults you take it patiently for when you do good and suffer you take it patiently this is commendable before God that you're getting whipped you're getting tortured and you're accepting the unjust slave beating patiently here for this you were called to be whipped I told you I'm not making this up for this is what you are called because Christ suffered for us as well so according to the Bible if you receive this whipping unjust whipping you're gonna be like a superman you're gonna be just like Jesus so let's do a live demonstration and this is a question which steward is gonna have to answer for us do you really believe that this is your calling in life to be whipped like this so let's let's do a quick demo so let's say I have a little piece of chocolate here I have a chocolate stash in my house over here let's say a little black child oh I don't know maybe ten years old steals my chocolate and I catch him I catch him eating this okay eating this piece of chocolate all right let's do a demo let's see the let's see if Christianity is really true here it's gonna be one minute here all right so I see this boy I'm gonna tan your hard boy and this is if Christianity is true let's see if he becomes like Jesus I'll whip it this is the madness of New Testament Christianity Bible says God is happy is he happy and and you can imagine that this boy is crying he's just shaking look at that look at there that's the shining glory of Christ you've become just like Jesus this is your calling in life boy and this is how the Bible creates these slave beating monsters and because of that it is no question about it this is a completely false religion but I want I'm gonna bring a prophet Mohammed over here even though it's off topic why because the problem with Christians they will continue except the evil teachings of their book because at least if they see that the lesser of the two evils at least it and I forgot my hadith which will prophet Mohammed actually condemn slavery I'll get it for you in just second year because they see the lesser of the two evils but what I want it's do or to see is a yes Christianity is false there's no way you can defend first Peter there's great evil okay putting a smiley face on on slave beating come on what is this is indefensible but I want you to now begin your journey you and your father begin your journey to the true religion the true religion of Islam so you know in conclusion I only gave you just two two two two Bible verses you know and I want to go back to I forgot one point here my time is almost up here how many how many smiley faces did you count by the way well let's count it's to your credit that you get this unjust slave beating it's commendable by God it's your calling in life it's the opportunity to be like Jesus these are all a pack of lies you know it's Stuart and so I counted four smiley faces how many smiley faces did you count that it puts on unjust slave beating by your slave master and I guess it's my time up good Stuart and thank you so very much for your opening statement the deer we are now going to hand it over to you Stuart for your opening statement the floor is all yours oh you do have to unmute there we go you had to get off the screen here so the question of whether Christianity is rational or not there's four or five different definitions on rationality in Webster's dictionary all considering the others being irrational you could say and so it's a tough question to begin with but for me rationality has a lot to do with the intellect as well as understanding am I able to live out the worldview I espouse and does it make the most sense so for me it comes down to asking whether something like the Gospels are reliable is the Bible reliable secondly even the greatest Jewish intellects have many of them have said that Christianity is a resurrection religion and that's been fairly recent that they said that because it's obviously not wanted exactly to be said by many Jewish scholars but they've said there's so much evidence for at least the claims the early claims of people like Paul and the disciples and others who said that they really saw and interacted with Jesus Christ and that there's now over six sources to the resurrection which we know that to alone is paid for ancient if you could just stop screen-sharing so I give you 10 more seconds to do it right back to you so the reliability of the Gospels the resurrection and the evidence behind it starting with Jesus Christ was buried in a well-known tomb of Joseph of Arimathea well known within the San Hedron so everybody knew exactly where the tomb was even to this day when the Gospel of John talks about how the tomb was near the city gate that falls right in line with exactly where we have found the tomb now the temple of the holy sepulcher and that's where archaeologists are saying with certainty now that's where Jesus's tomb was now I've always been doubtful of claiming exactly where Jesus's tomb truly is because I think it's changed obviously over the years but now with certainty archaeologists are saying nope we go to the bank on this one and clearly in understanding that there was a tomb Joseph of Arimathea everybody would have known it existed it was empty we now have the location to it we have six sources alone outside of that we have plenty younger talking about very early on something that I don't know if my dears Muslim or if he's Mormon I'm not quite sure I'm guessing Muslim that he would have espoused obviously that Jesus is not the son of God and there would have been this mistaken claim that nobody really would have guessed ultimately that Jesus was or maybe nobody was even really making that claim but plenty the younger there's extraneous sources outside of scripture I'm not even counting all the disciples and the women and everybody else and Jesus alone making the claims on his character and identity plenty the younger and others even themselves said a couple hundred years after that from the very beginning from the very beginning Josephus said it too so enemy attestation as well Christians were worshiping God and Jesus as the same synonymous so you have the character of the identity you have the resurrection you have the internal consistency and reliability of the Gospels you look at the Vedas and Panishads for example the Vedas are full whether they go back to 4000 BC and basically there were thousands and thousands of years before actually the it was written down it was the oral tradition or about 3,500 give or take years till they were written down and yet based on that oral tradition people still take many of those creeds to be accurate now the Christian faith it was written down within the lifetime of the disciples the eyewitnesses that is the manuscripts photographs of what actually occurred eyewitness testimony now the Koran is is close it's 150 years in terms of the span of when it was written down and Muhammad and others actual obvious interactions with folks and they're living here on this planet but that's nowhere near again how close you take say for example 1st Corinthians 15 3 through 8 15 years and many would say you will push it back even further to probably 3 to 4 years you look at the book of Galatians and talking about when that most original manuscript was copied based off of the photograph so that is just one piece when it comes to the Gospels reliability how close it is in time between the events and when it was written down so we go on and on here but I'm gonna leave that in terms of identity I was gonna go and really unpack gospel liability evidence of the resurrection identity of Christ because that's the one that Muslims struggle with but I'm gonna leave those there for a second because I want to invest even more time on some of these potshots that dear took at the Christian faith and starting right out of the gate this whole epileptic piece and understanding whether Jesus had his own understanding of it or was totally miscalculated misunderstanding what it was well look yes modern-day people scientists alone medical doctors understand you take like a drug like lamotrogen or you take a drug like gabapentin there's so many different medicines obviously that help bring about healing when it comes to epileptic seizures so we have an idea on it now in hundreds of years from now that type of science most likely will have radically changed in terms of the type of procedures the type of equipment used the tools used in type of medication they will be looking I promise you at epilepsy in a totally different way than we do today and they will in many ways mock just like Nadir did in terms of Jesus and his understanding of epilepsy back then they will mock our understanding now you could say oh well Jesus is the son of God though at least the claim is yeah he was also man at the same time and he fit perfectly into his humanity as well as his deity but even in the Garden of Gethsemane he was crying he was in such torment that he was having drops of blood coming out of him in terms of that type of pressure so Nadir it's an interesting point but I think it's kind of silly because not only could he have been operating within the actual context and people around would not have known what epilepsy was at all and I said what are you doing what you're gonna get some pills for this guy no there were no pills invented or you're gonna go create an instrument for this guy based off of perfect science because your Bible has to claim perfect science to be perfect in any kind of way not just inspired or we have to throw it out no this was a human text given by God through human authors that's why there's so many thousands of different variants and yet none of them making any major changes to even a single line in Scripture there's so infinitesimal but in terms of that he's operating in his context and if you look at that you said now I'm still that's that's kind of ridiculous though because he was the son of God he shouldn't have been doing that jokes that this is the science this is how we heal it physically obviously he easily could have done that but when Nadir doesn't know is that in the Greek kissed by the moon is oftentimes what we have in Jesus dealing with demon possession and in this very case alone it's interesting that he went here because this would have been a mental health issue that Jesus would have recognized not so much the authors early on would have recognized but Jesus would have recognized and when they use the Greek term of kissed by the moon that means mental health and any psychiatrist would know that in this day and age because the moon has so much to do with something like mania and other and epileptic seizures as well so it's fascinating that you went to the science and you tripped yourself up there because he was the authors were so far ahead of their time and understanding something like kissed by the moon that nobody would have grasped that right and so for us Christians we believe that yes there's a spiritual dimension obviously in this world so there's darkness there's pain there's struggle I believe that there's a spiritual evil out there and so physical breakdown tainted by brokenness through Genesis chapter 3 is always connected the spiritual is always connected to the physical so yes I would not say we need to exercise somebody who has diabetes and so Nadir I would agree with you the reason why I am writing a book on the integration of psychology and Christianity is because many fundamentalist Christians have misdiagnosed physical problems as spiritual and has brought many much pain to different people in the Christian community and outside of the Christian community I have one in my family alone an extended family member who was high up in a certain denomination and he was dealing with depression so not seizures but depression and his elders came to him and said oh don't get on medication just pray it out oh he almost eventually lost his life because of that so I it's funny because you and I both share the same type of holy righteous discontent over that one that's why I'm actually writing a book on it that's why I spend some of my time speaking instead out of that local churches so yes there's an abuse just like in your second point slavery yes there was abuse and also the great Atlantic slave trade and also slavery here in the US ultimately those slaves were all liberated because of Christianity behind Christian liberators as well as prohibitionist so so it's fascinating that you go there in terms of talking about abuses see you are only my friend communicating from your worldview based directly out of your own philosophy of life because you're saying if my Bible is not perfect and it's caused so much abuse then how can you trust this thing no no no that's the Quran that's the Quran if the but if the Quran is called so much it goes so much abuse and you can scientifically say there's there's mess ups in the Quran then you have to toss out the Quran but that's not my Bible fortunately for me I don't have to worry about that you have to worry about that you make the claim to the perfect word of God that came down from the sky I don't make that claim there can be slip-ups in my Bible now I'm not saying that though to get out from say all slaves obey your masters no first Peter there's many other different passages obviously Colossians and others that talk about slaves obey your masters now I think you're probably smarter than how you exegeted those passages though and I don't I don't think you're being genuine if you truly understood the context that's why most people I debate on this show go to the Old Testament those are harder to get out from the New Testament is pretty easy and understanding why the call to slaves obey your masters oftentimes it was a spiritual understanding other times it was physical and that was because what are what did you want Paul to do what did you want Peter to do you wanted them to call for a slave revolt at that time do you know how quickly all Christians would have been wiped out if they would have called for a slave revolt at that time probably within a debt probably within a debt and so it took a long time for them to get to the point of indoctrinating the freedom and equality of all humanity out of something like Galatians 3 28 there's neither slave nor free but all are one in Christ and that started leading slowly the incredible snowballing effect of wow for the first time in any ancient civilization everybody's created the image of God everybody has equal worth and dignity so no you cannot have slaves children and women are not considered below they're definitely equal with men as opposed to dare I say other religions that even to this day wouldn't say that that's the case thank you so very much Stuart and Nadir for both of your opening statements on is Christianity true we're about to move into open dialogue but if you look at the bottom right of your screen you can see our debate con 3.1 conference on Saturday April 22nd in Fort Worth tickets are in the description box and if you throw a buck into the crown fun at the link below then you can watch the whole conference alive from at home though please also don't forget to hit that like and subscribe button it helps us reach an even larger audience and get even more fantastic debates to you our viewers with that let's get back to the action we're going to move into about 50 minutes of open dialogue the panelists have made an agreement about two-minute increments back and forth thus gentlemen the floor is yours you brought up Nadir I think the first two minutes because you spoke last okay here we go so all right regarding the issue you know with with the empty tomb and all this stuff it all can be very easily explained it's called fake news okay so you kind of have to be naive to really go for this but I want you to agree and acknowledge the conclusion by the two neuroscientists which I have quoted for you and I'm gonna go and get their reference for you in just a second over here yeah it states very clearly Christianization's reinforced the belief in healing by by religious ritual the New Testament is described how Jesus healed a boy suffering from lunacy and epilepsy I gave you an example of how the New Testament is causing the right here from epilepsy.com of how the New Testament is causing this confusion here I'm gonna walk you through this and explain to you how it works okay so basically like the flu when you have the symptoms of the flu like runny nose headache fever coughing you think okay I got the flu because you've got the symptoms the problem is with the New Testament it gives you the symptoms of this so-called demon possession and those symptoms are that you're gonna grit your teeth format them out you're gonna tremor you're gonna shake and he had it since he was a child those are the symptoms of demon possession of demon possession and epilepsy apparently so the problem is if you have these symptoms and other people see you have these symptoms according to the New Testament you are going to think this person is demon possessed if you don't know the science behind epilepsy so I want you to agree that the source of the confusion of the confusion between epilepsy and demon possession as a scientist pointed out it falls within the New Testament because the New Testament gave these symptoms but it never really told you how are you gonna decipher between the two go ahead please demon possession was a very well-known encounter that many eyewitnesses had with those who were demon possessed even back in that day not just with Jesus but with other magicians and healers so it was consistent I have seen levels of demon possession in Haiti when I go to Haiti I've not seen any here I know many people claim and maybe they're right I must say they're wrong in churches even around here that there's tons of deep possession just because symptoms are very similar and somebody says oh it's in possession and not epilepsy I don't understand what the big problem is because like I said being kissed by the moon in the Greek when Jesus is encountering someone for example like Legion who had all these demons and the demons ran into the pigs and the pigs died look there's eyewitness testimony there because the whole town comes out and says we just lost all of our money because all of our money was tied up into those pigs and Jesus sent all these demons in these pigs and they ended up dying and so there's eyewitness testimony there of the farmers who are saying there's the obsession and it came out now you could say that that somehow Jesus misdiagnosed the issue but there's all different types of make that misdiagnosis in the Bible taken literally with the fundamentalist Christians it's it gosh it's it's everywhere too big with us because think about Matthew 5 for example I mean if your hand causes you to send cut it off I know somebody who actually has a cut off hand well come on Jesus you shouldn't have said that I know one Stuart knows one guy who cut his hand off maybe he was reading it in context maybe he was right maybe right my right hand is cause me to send I'm gonna cut it off maybe I'm sending maybe I'm wrong or maybe we really have to read in context thank you so I think you are beating around the bush and evading my question so I'm gonna raise it to you once again I'm gonna as I pointed out to you the confusion between an epileptic and a demon a demon possessed person the problem it is being caused by the New Testament Stuart I need you to acknowledge this for everybody here to see okay it's obvious to everybody because how the Bible is can causing this confusion is because it lists the symptoms of demon possession that he foamed at the mouth he grit his teeth he tremored he shit those are the symptoms of epilepsy so how are you going to tell the difference between the two you can't unless I mean if you don't know the science behind this like let's say two three hundred years ago so the confusion between demon possession and epilepsy is caused by the New Testament because according to the New Testament they share the same symptoms okay so I want you to take 10 seconds of my time Stuart and say yes I acknowledge that and I can move on to the next point go ahead 10 seconds please oh I fully acknowledge that one can be masked by the other and that there's the physical and spiritual both in play and that this has nothing to do with somehow decreasing the credibility of the New Testament okay okay that's fine the conclusion we can come later but you have acknowledged that the as what the two neuroscientists have pointed out as well as others I have other references this confusion it rests with the New Testament because it confused the symptoms now here's how it disproves the New Testament it goes to the misery and suffering caused by this confusion okay because now for the next 2000 years epileptics were singled out for persecution and they were killed they went through bogus exorcism all because of the teaching of the New Testament and I want you to see Prophet Muhammad as the one who is fixing this curse and he lifts the curse of New Testament Christianity from the epileptics and this is an evidence I want to give to you Stuart so you can begin your journey to Islam I'm just shocked out of my gourd that you're actually doing this right now I like that you are I actually enjoy it it's an enjoyable discussion but the reason why I'm so shocked is because you're a Muslim saying this to me and I could bring up so many different passages in Islam that perhaps have been misinterpreted misinterpreted perhaps but it doesn't matter look at what has happened to women look at what has happened to the handicapped look at what has happened to people who've fallen outside of the religion I mean it isn't just thousands it's like hundreds of thousands millions and so I could make the same type of the claim in terms of the abuse of and not understanding it but I don't understand how you think the credibility just because there are symptoms that co-mingle with demon possession because I have like I said I have encountered demon possession and there is foaming at the mouth the eyes do roll in the back of the head and if you talk with anybody who's been around somebody who's been possessed typically not every time typically those are the symptoms and you're right I am a psychologist I don't know my PhD I'm a master so technically I'm a psychotherapist I have absolutely seen all kinds of epilepsy epilepsy fits in cafeterias for example sadly when orange juice was spilling at the fountain because somebody fell into literally a fountain of orange juice and I've seen the eyes rolling back in the head and he was foaming at the mouth so very similar symptoms indeed so how do you know what exactly was going on there that it wasn't epileptic seizure and not a type of spiritual oppression I don't think you do Stuart I can't hear you I did hear what he just said I didn't hear anything I mean the last part I didn't hear was last part sure I'll give him a few more seconds just so he can communicate it to you I just I find it a very interesting topic you bring up because this is kind of in my field and it's not one that Christians get pinned on them too often and yet I find it at the same time I find it has nothing to do with again the credibility of the New Testament or not but I actually if any finny way like I said it's the opposite not only does this cause a type of neutral ground but this is the opposite in the sense of the Bible was way ahead of its time in using Greek verbiage like kissed by the moon that's connected to mental health issues so it was not just demon possession every time the New Testament states but very few people know that now demon possession yet again like I just said maybe you did hear it those types of symptoms are very similar when someone's going through an exorcism very similar to that of epileptic seizures and I have seen both largely because the field I'm in medically and also because I'm a pastor and so I think you just chose the wrong guy to bring this issue up with because they are very similar in terms of their manifestations right well okay so let me take my two minutes real quick here so the issue is not really credibility of the Bible because there really is none to begin with I'm sorry I think Stuart is still talking I think we're just off yeah I think we're a little bit what you may be I will say if you have your stream running the stream on YouTube is a few seconds lagged oh okay okay shall I go ahead and take my two minutes real quick then absolutely okay yeah thank you so the issue here is you see okay you did open up the specter for a book of God could have some scientific errors here and there okay even if we were to go there the real problem here is a book of God should not unleash curses upon vulnerable people that has led to unbelievable misery and suffering for epileptic they were singled up for persecution false exorcism and and and and multitude have been killed through this okay all because of the teachings of the New Testament okay so so the problem here is we got to start asking the question if you are objective is this the work of the devil are these the words of the devil and so the other part which destroys Christianity is this man prophet Muhammad because remember Muhammad is correcting the scientific errors of the Bible and epileptic came to him and notice what he didn't say he didn't accuse him of being demon possessed so when you go through the scientific literature you will see Muhammad's name is missing from all of that it's all focuses on New Testament and the story which we have read so the problem here why Christian so the cool that what you need to defend tonight you need to explain how a word of God can cause so much misery and suffering for the most vulnerable people that's an explain yes this is the true religion in light of what I have just explained to you and provide a real sensible explanation for that go ahead I'm just shocked absolutely shocked that you're actually going here as a Muslim flabbergasted knowing for example one of my closest friends had to flee Saudi Arabia his own family was gonna turn him into the authorities knew about either gone to prison or he would have been killed because he became a Christian and he's one of the smartest guys I know he's very high up in academia but he had to say look I based off of the manuscript evidence predominantly in the reliability of the Bible and then also my encounter with Christ so it's experiential and intellectual I had to just say look I've got to be honest and he had to flee me he lost obviously relationship with his family so what is that I mean look anybody I know they lose their Christian faith their family ain't looking to turn them into the authorities around here definitely not to go to prison or to be killed so if you're gonna bring up this issue I don't need to skirt this one all I'm saying is I'm shocked you're going here because you won't you don't want to turn this one back on you because it's way more extreme back on you there's abuses in both but it's way more extreme for Muslims to have to respond to this one and so yes yet again I think there's abuses that people have ripped tons of different things out of context you brought up two of them here in terms of that medical piece as well as slavery absolutely and yet there's been even more on the other side and so you're push you're trying to push me and corner me here in the sense of we don't have a divine revelation that is so highly inerrant that if it even is somehow missing a comma like there are in some manuscripts in the New Testament then somehow that shouldn't be the word of God because if don't forget if the crowd is missing a comma or a semi colon it's not the word of God and so for a Christian yet again look at a law I was recently talking to a Muslim scholar and he said yeah it's okay to say and the Quran does claim that a law is a God of deception and that's not a bad thing now I don't know if Nadir believes that or not and so so my whole point is no God created us unconditionally and loving and wanted to share himself with us and so he's not deceiving us and yet there is absolutely a word passed from him down through human beings okay I think that's to give into another layer of human beings that is interpret and so there's going to be issues okay you know as far as Islam is concerned I am ready for any debate on Islam the only reason you don't see any debates on it between me and some is because it is the atheist it is a Christians who are running away I'm ready so so you know but this is not a topic on Islam now I asked you I'm gonna ask you again and if you notice Stuart has no quite no answer here we need to start asking the question how do we know these are not the teachings of the devil because a true okay fine you want to say a book of God can have some mistakes all right fine no problem but the issue here it should not cause so much misery and suffering in people's lives to the to the extent which we have seen and so this is and this goes back to the point that the New Testament this is one of the many curses the New Testament unleashed upon mankind okay and and so Stuart you have no answer for this your religion has just been disproved as we can see you keep going back to abuses and and all these that this has nothing to do with abuse okay this is about people reading the Bible and seeing oh my god the symptoms for demon possession is this and it just happens to be exactly for epilepsy because you can't accept that that Jesus or whoever wrote that Bible they misdiagnosed that child that child didn't have demon possession he was an epileptic okay but you Christians can't accept that okay fine so as we can see there's no point of moving forward here because Stuart is stopped dead in his tracks he cannot defend the misery and suffering caused by the New Testament here so I will let you think about this I want to slavery here so my question is here we looked at getting an unjust whipping as I showed you in first Peter do you really think that this is your calling in life for that little child to be as an example I gave to be whipped like that if that's what the Bible says now now please explain that to us I I'm not going to leave the other topic because you keep saying that I'm skirting around the issue so I'm going to hit you right between the eyes man to man I am not skirting at all I brought up differences in interpretation in the Greek kissed by the moon which is incredibly nuanced in terms of there was a spiritual but then also Jesus would have understood there to be a mental health issue which is incredible in terms of you want to talk scientific secondly there are absolute abuses in terms of contextually speaking and that can be the case in any book any book thirdly there can be agendas and you see that say for example during the Civil War theological crises obviously the north and the south were being different types of agendas and so to answer your point look at what I just said it's to answer it by saying God is not a God at least the Christian God of one who deceives of one who's malevolent at all God is going to give us his word he's going to give us truth goodness and evil and then he's going to say now you decide what you're going to do with it and you can abuse anything you want and I could sit here and roll off two hours of all the benefits that have come scientifically from the law courts hospitals on and on that the Bible has done well and you would just look and you would say you go back to you know first Peter or Luke or anywhere else you say these one verse no that's just a terrible argument and then lastly you said prove disprove this one verse disprove the whole Bible first of all I bet you couldn't even define proof in such a way where our audience so now I'm willing to get to the slavery topic but I hope I hit that one directly in terms of answering that no God is our God is not a God of deception in a horror a moral monster because supposedly perhaps Jesus commingled mental health and epilepsy and spiritual yeah so actually you may not know the Bible very well Stuart but your God is the God of deception Google keyword Google keyword search is the Lord will send you a powerful delusion no need to give any Bible verses you just Google that the Bible verse will come out for you but anyways you see Stuart you acknowledge that the New Testament is the source of this confusion you have acknowledged that we got you on tape and you saw the references there's no way out of that where you have you know where you are paralyzed tonight you cannot explain to us how an alleged true religion is singling out epileptics the most you know vulnerable people for persecution the New Testament is doing that this is something consistent with with what the devil would do for that you have no answer you keep talking about abuses this has nothing to do about abuses this is about the Bible claiming that demon possessed people have the same symptoms of the epileptics unleashing a terrible curse upon them so anyway I want to go back to the issue of slavery I'm going to share my desktop so the issue here which you did not answer you did have opportunity I'll give you another opportunity the Bible says that you know slave beating getting a beating from your slave this is your calling in life it put many happy faces and I forgot to give you the hadith so here we see yet again Muhammad is correcting the errors of the Bible the Bible glorified getting your slave beating look what Muhammad said talked about this guy he was if you could see him on my screen over his guy was whipping a slave he says had you the I said Allah's messenger I said him when he saw Prophet Muhammad behind him he says Allah's messenger I said him free for the sake of Allah there upon he said had you have not done that the gates of hell would have opened up for you and that is what is missing from the Bible the Bible glorifies slave beating with many happy faces so the question I have for you is do you really believe that this is your calling in life to be beaten slash tortured by a slave master go ahead please anyone read the passage you have there anyone who beats their male or female slave of the rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result but they're not be punished if the slave goes free I so you realize that was far more humanitarian right then that day and age in terms of other civilizations who had slaves so I don't know why you bring up that one there's actually worse ones than that secondly if you knocked the tooth of a slave out he may go free another incredibly more humanitarian than other civilizations at the time thirdly why did Christian abolitionists win the day when it came to something like kidnapping free people making them slaves it was because right there in the Old Testament you have those who kidnapped people and make them slaves are to be murdered capital punishment for the one who does so so in the Old Testament yes there were not laws that were ideal in a theocratic society and even the New Testament says that that's why in Matthew chapter 19 you have a tightening of the news obviously the connection there is to divorce as well in terms of when and why you should it should not divorce the spouse and so what you have is a tightening of the news when the covenants change when Christ comes so yet again we're going to see abuses of certain different forms of theology in any book but then we're going to see others where why in the world is the black church the most successful church out of any other denomination worldwide historically well are you going to say it's because the white slave owners took those whips that you have there in a deer and just beat these poor blacks in submission they can't they can't think for themselves now oh no no look at Howard Thurman's Harvard address black man talks of at Harvard talks about the evidence behind the Christians faith and how the gospel and understanding it gave hope for the slave in the free okay so looks like we need another slave beating demonstration here for for Stuart I'll go and give you one let's get first Peter up on the screen so it's very clear now count how many happy faces we have here it says servants be submissive to your masters with all fear not only to the good but the gentle but also the harsh so here we see the Bible destroys any hope of abolition which Stuart is talking about those abolitionists they went against the Bible you are to submit to the harsh one for this is commendable if because the conscience towards God one endures grief grief suffering wrongfully for what credit is it if when you are beaten for your false you take it patiently this is to your credit that's that's happy face number one but when you do good and you suffer you take it patiently this is commendable before God is happy that you got this beating this beating slash torture there's no difference for for this you were called because Christ also suffered for us you're gonna become just like Jesus this is your calling in life and I have been asking you again you really believe this is a calling in life let's give one more one more demonstration for Stuart and he's gonna explain to us how this is a calling in life for this little black child one more time let's go here we go this is your calling in life that's your calling is this your calling Stuart nonsense this is all baloney you're being fed here you are being fed lies it's putting a happy face on it's okay so let's let's be clear what's going on in the passage here this person he's grooming the victim he's grooming the victim just like in child sex trapping they groom the little boy this is exactly what's happening here Peter is grooming the victim for to meet the deeds of the evil slave master and so how this Bible verse creates Bible be slave beating monsters is a slave master he's gonna look at that and you say look Bible gives me authority it's gonna give him the sanctification for doing that it's gonna give him the justification for doing that and the gratification so please explain how this is the calling in life Stuart absolutely so read the book of Philemon Philemon told by Paul three to bring back his slave onesimus no longer the slave but as a brother so Paul is so interesting you're going to Peter and Paul they're talking about freeing slaves as brothers and you have the word harsh there harsh has nothing to do with what you're doing right there with your gross gross grabbing of whatever you have in your hand and showing a beating of supposedly a little child where does it say right there that you are to grab a piece of leather and beat a child and I'm guessing you're probably implying perhaps maybe not a certain race that is ridiculous and we can get into slavery obviously in the Bible being indentured servitude in the vast majority of cases and that people were selling themselves in a slavery to actually get out of debts and it was usually the spoils of war is usually people who had lost war was criminals it was not a certain race for example but you're gonna play heartball I mean and just go to these passages you know the Koran at least from what I can remember right at the top of my head I'm pretty sure a lot of the statements have to do with stoning women of adultery death by of apostasy one I already brought up my friend marriage between close relatives pedophilia the hatred for the Christian and the Jew polygamy virgins obviously in paradise so yet again I find it hilarious you're going here and not a better bet for you if you really wanted to have a debate on this topic in a way that perhaps you could win you probably want to go in such a way where you debate the manuscript evidence or perhaps the resurrection or perhaps the identity but maybe you're just trying to be nuanced tonight by what you're doing but yet again your little depiction there with your little belt where it doesn't say that in the Bible to continue to beat a little child into submission that is a gross misinterpretation that you're trying to use hyperbolically to try and make a point that is not in the Bible yeah okay so that's very easy to answer first of all Islam is not the topic here as I said I'm ready for a debate on Islam but it is not I but it is a Christian and the atheist who are running away now Stewart I will let you challenge me for a debate on Islam and slavery if that's what you like is that what you want we can do that I'll give you a couple of seconds to answer of my time I just never thought I'd be debating a Muslim to talk about the violent abuse a text so you never sure I will yes okay you also misquoted filamons the issue in that passage by Lehman by Lehman I'm sorry it didn't say that you are no longer a slave it says that you are more than a slave you become like a brother in fact by Lehman is a justification for slavery I'm going to give you an article on that and here we see why did so many Christians support slavery it's because of the Bible verse you just quoted now here's the article I'm giving you unfortunately my membership is over I'll have to you know it says I've got a sign in but this is the article you can read and when they said why did so many people support slavery it's because of the verse which you quoted because remember he handed his the slave back to his born against spirit filled slave master and he says he is now your brother it's just more than a slave it didn't this is not an that passage is not an abolition of slavery so I'll go back to the bible verse and and and and asked you again do you really believe that this is your calling in life is that the bible gave many happy faces in first Peter which you ran away from do I'm gonna ask again do you really believe that this is your calling in life to be whipped and I said but the bible didn't say he is a lesser whip like how I have so here we see this is a fallacy of shouting fire in a crowded theater okay I'll explain this fallacy because my time is almost up but that's not gonna work because this is what slavery is when you give this book to the common man to the general public this is what they're gonna understand this is how the bible produces slave beating monsters first Peter will do it because it will give the slave master the justification for doing those horrible things it'll give him the sanctification it'll give him gratification so that is an argument which you are running away from stewart go ahead please is this the calling in life to be whipped absolutely not nothing is wrong nothing communicates that whatsoever in the bible and that's why you have arguably the greatest abolitionist most people probably would say he was Frederick Douglass who was a black man who was also a slave tremendously famous great author he said oh you know what Nadir you're exactly right there's so many passes on slavery and all these children getting beaten to a pulp that's what the bible talks about that we should do away with Christianity in the bible all together no Nadir that's not what he said he said the opposite once he won his freedom and became this great abolitionist and worked with Abraham Lincoln as a black man who had been beaten to a pulp many times with maybe that whip that you're holding behind your back right now he said people the white slave owners in particular are not taking the bible seriously and they know that they are not reading their bibles honestly and that was profound in that day and age that's why he became an evangelist and so many people from south and north became Christians but because they were looking at this man who was unpacking these very passages that you're abusing and saying hey look I was told slaves obey your masters hey I was the one actually who was preaching to the poor slaves over here in different slums saying slaves obey your masters I should be the one who's turned off more so than any of you definitely you Nadir to the bible and yet I'm not at all it's the opposite because I know that they are ripping out of context and they're being dishonest in their interpretation just like with the free church of Scotland when it came to the civil war the north and the south were ripping different types of verses out of context to fit primarily a fiscal agenda free church of Scotland stepped in and said here exactly is the interpretive understanding and contextual understanding of these verses and you know it and you better start being honest and that's a largely why theology started to come back in an understanding of wow this is exactly what the bible really means okay so you did say that you do not accept that this is your calling in life to be whipped like how I just demonstrated however let me share with you my screen again first Peter chapter 2 verse 18 verse 24 it explicitly says that to be whipped unjustly this is your calling in life let me share this for you so you can see and so Alhamdulillah that means praise be to Allah you have accepted the bible is wrong okay for this you were called because Christ also suffered for so you become like this little superman you get your whipping like that so so so you will become like Jesus a little black boy he's becoming the shining glory of Christ after I whoop him and then he tried to pull a canard but the bible didn't say with a leather strap so this is called the shouting fire in a crowded theater fallacy basically when you shout fire in a crowded theater we all understand that to be one thing it is a fallacy but I didn't mean like I meant a cigarette I'm lighting a cigarette no fire means fire in a crowded theater just like it is wrong to yell fire in a crowded theater it is also wrong to yell slavery in a crowded theater when you give this book to the crowded man to the public to the general public this is how we understand what slavery is when I whipped uh you that leather whip this was not some uh misrepresentation of slavery this is what slavery means to to to the generations of people so you have to be specific and say no no no no I didn't mean that version of slavery but the bible glorifies slave beating here look at this is that god is happy this is commendable before god right uh right I have also pointed out that the bible destroys any hope of abolition because you are to be uh you are to be submissive to the harsh slave master and that is also written in the text here so the people who did do abolitionism they go went against the bible so you did ask where it I'm showing it for you right here verse 21 for this you are called to get that slave beating and you take it patiently god is happy go ahead steward so what version are you reading right out of there king james version this niv that was the king james version you had earlier did you just you what you just switched oh the new king james version there we go exactly so you do not have beaten in the modern translations versions let's say even if you did but you don't get that's the new king james which there's highly suspect translation errors within the king james king james himself there's all different types of errors so but let's go ahead and and grant it you still have beaten there where do you have that whip again you have in your office beating a little boy do you see how you're just adding to the text and where do you have it being commendable by god for the act itself like like that's a good act kind of thing no first of all beatings even if you go with your look i'm granting you that which is extreme but i'm going to go ahead and give it to you even if you go with beating so you have that word beaten and then you go ahead and deconstruct even further and you say well that's actually a physical whip on a little child nadir was saying okay let's go there then i'll even grant you even further than that what does god say god is saying it's commendable it's always in the christian faith to grow in that type of patience perseverance character yeah not because the act it's good yet again you're totally misinterpreting it but even if you do interpret in no sense is paul or peter saying that that is a good act yet again they're stating here is how things are submit to slave owners for this time being don't start a slave revolt and yes 30 seconds it's commendable your patience in god this is the better understanding though yet again i brought it up earlier that paul gave sensible advice you look at so for example chrithian christians when he said let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called where you were you call the slave do not be concerned about it but if you can be made for it free rather use it for he who is called in the lord while as a slave while the slave is the lord's freed man likewise he who is called while free is christ slave christ slave so we could get into that as well and what in the world does that mean to be a slave of christ does that mean he's supposed to be beating us physically too time so yeah freedom would come through the gospel stewart the argument okay start the argument which is destroying you here it's not so much how the bible is to be interpreted of course you're going to put a spin on it but the issue here is if you give this to the common man when you give this like let's say to the slave master how is he going to understand it that's the problem here when you give it to the general public he's going to understand it one way well but why Nadir why did you use a leather whip like in my demonstration because that's what slavery is when you give this to the general public especially in the 15th century this is how they understand it the bible didn't have like the great advice from prophet Muhammad that if you beat a slave you are going to burn and have that's what's missing from your book so here we see yet a second correction to the bible and uh you know you you keep saying that well where do they say this act is good it's the text of the bible says if you receive your unjust slave beating okay then this is and you do it patiently you don't talk back you know you don't this is commendable before god which is nonsense this is a this is when you say where did it say this act was good i said this is your opportunity to be like jesus so that little black boy i was giving when i after i got done whipping him he becomes like the shining glory of christ stewart how can you not see that this is in your text it says that you this is your calling in life that text this is your calling this is what you've been called this is destroying you it's destroying the bible it's exposing it for the falsehood which it is so i think first peter is very clear you are not able to defend the evil it's putting a happy face on slave beating it's giving all kinds of encouragement oh this is gonna be really this is to your credit it's commendable by god this is what you've been called to do are you good in more sense jesus this is baloney you can see the lives in your own book and you're trying to defend this evil it's really funny yet again misinterpreting text commendable he was not saying commendable and any of you please go read the text don't even bring a commentary with you if you truly believe that god through paul is saying that slavery is commendable when you're getting a beating if you think that's what the text is saying discard the text no clearly what so many people even today are doing in terms of converting and sharing the faith is how you handle pressure and suffering that's why christianity has always been called the suffering religion and so what was one of the top ways christians spread the faith in the early roman empire was through suffering so the commendable piece is if you're handling a type of slavery in such a way where you are dealing with immense amounts of suffering and pain that is commendable why wouldn't paul say that's commendable boom it's just settled and then the dear it's so cute that you brought up your sweet little jesus who i do think you should probably have a cross behind you and understanding truly what really is love and what really is commendable because i don't think who you're worshiping if we get into all those texts you're going to say is very commendable but let's talk about jesus for a hot second shouldn't we the god of the universe look no further than say philippians chapter two would be a great early creed to start in where christians were praying and praising all throughout the church throughout the roman empire at a philippians chapter two he became a slave for us the god of the universe became a slave for us not only got on our level but came to serve us came to serve us in such a way where he was so far down in the dirt for the poor that he was washing people's feet which was considered the most despicable act in that day and age and so 31 seconds occurring hospitals started occurring law courts started occurring abolition started occurring equality with all humans slave greek synthian again little kids he was calling little kids to himself not to do some perverted thing like we talked about earlier unfortunately in certain religions but to show elevation that kids now are not dirt but they're equal and all human beings are equal in dignity because this god became man became a slave to show that we are all one in christ and our dignity yeah so looks like you are not able to defend anything of the passage you asked where did it say this act was good to be beaten like this i have explained it to you many times but you are just going off on a tangent in other areas that is because steward is knows this passage is indefensible the text very clear states very clearly that this is your calling in life to be whipped like that that little black boy you know being whipped with my little leather or it's not even leather i don't kind of broke that but the my belt here that's his calling in life so let's talk stupid here let's do we know what's going on here the text of the bible is grooming the victim to meet the needs of the evil slave master the the argument which destroys christianity here is if you give this passage to the general public and the slave master how are they going to understand it how are they going to interpret they're going to see the justification for doing that they're going to get the gratification for doing that they're going to see this as sanctification i'm a what your tenure hide boy and they're going to think this is okay when you give it to the general public and so that clearly destroys christianity here one quick question amy how much more time we have so we are at 40 minutes we have about 15 20 minutes depending on how much you guys are very good so you know i'm just basically hovering over steward getting him to look at the text and to basically bring his will to accept what's being said over here so it's grooming it's grooming the victim just like a child sex trafficker he goes into a small in the bedroom of some boy and says oh come on let this man do this to you oh it's gonna be so much fun yeah you see you're gonna be a superman if you let him do this to you that's exactly what we're seeing in the we testament this is so easy man it's scary slaves obey your master oh we can't talk over your master's neck turner who led the slave rebellion who was a preacher back and so i'm gonna separate because it sounded like nadir you had like another statement or so and that was an idea quick one that's okay i'm sending love to both nadir i'll give you a 30 seconds just to finish it and then we'll hand it back over to stewart we ain't stupid here we know what's going on in first peter he's grooming the victim so just like the child sex trafficker goes into the bedroom of that little boy and says let this man do this to you it's so many wonderful things are gonna happen or you're gonna be just like a nice girlfriend or whatever the whatever they say this is exactly what's going on in first peter he's grooming the victim let this man do this to you so we're not stupid here stewart i know what what what grooming is and that's what's taking place in the passage here and it's glorifying slave beating it's commendable before god it's your calling it life you'll be just like jesus see it again slaves obey your masters dealing how do you suffer underneath someone like a slave master this is so easy it's scary i have never met a single person in my life and i have interacted with thousands if you include college campuses thousands upon thousands of christians and non christians who literally say i'm gonna take the bible and i'm gonna take this text and hey i gotta go get me a slave right now i gotta go get me a young boy who i'm going to beat into submission kind of like the sex trafficking thing like the dearest talk talking about unfortunately for nadir you have quite the opposite look no further than nicolas christoff look no further than so many different authors who are atheists who've talked about what christians have done for the anti-slave movement directly out of what the bible says so when it comes to a slaves obey your masters again there's a spiritual sense and secondly paul is clearly and this is not slippery at all now dear that there are many liberal muslims we're going to say kill the infidelman simply means spiritual defense slippery slippery i mean endless slipperiness hilarious i talk with them this couldn't be any less slippery it's scary slaves obey your masters paul is saying no revolt right now that would be pure lunacy you better obey your masters and as time goes on as the gospel continues to infiltrate in terms of that's what the narratives we're doing in the roman empire in terms of equality now of all human beings then freedom came historians believe this read ronnie stark non christian very hertado non christian all these non christian historians from marquette and virginia tech talk about this themselves read it don't listen to the dear go read some good books and read the bible yourself and i do have some of those good books some commentaries on this to show you that i'm just not making this up as you can see he doesn't want to deal with the issue of you know how this produces slave beating monsters he doesn't want to deal with the issue of if you give this to the general public how are they going to understand this so i have here 12 commentaries on this first peter passage and you will see they all concur with what i'm telling you let's just read the first one here this is acceptable with god a slave beating it is acceptable with god now now we can go through this at any time stewart and we can look through this we can go and you will see they all concur with what i'm saying that this is yes you shall take it patiently even if you and it goes on and talking about the glory of it is glorious so so when you say okay well this is we're not calling for a slave revolt we're not calling for that's fine no problem of course now but the what you are missing is that it is glorifying slave beating it's telling you that this is your calling in life and you're going to be just like jesus yeah hey so so that's where the problem is okay it's good it's like that god is actually this is commendable to see the torture to see people uh being whipped this is commendable before god for what glory is it hey this is i'm reading ellie's commentary it's glorious it's acceptable with god to be whipped like this so when when stewart said go and read other people's writing i've got it all i got 12 commentaries on this we can go through them but you know i think stewart is not able to defend the passage you know it's clearly a case of grooming which we are seeing over here so now i'm going to bring up one more verse which uh i've only given up two verses at this time but i think where the the victory here is this was prophet muhammad that's what's missing in the bible he said that the evil slave master who whips his servant he will burn in hell that's what we need in the bible but the bible takes a different position it glorifies it it is a great glory it is so go ahead please i think it's hilarious ellie it's commentary one i haven't even heard of it it's a joke two i think it was going against your very argument because what it says is commendable yet again the action behind it is commendable in the sense of those who are suffering underneath slavery it's commendable to act with patience perseverance growth and character which peter and paul talked about for persecuted christian groups throughout and so remember the wider context here in first peter yet again yet again early christians had no option to act politically they had no power they were a tiny persecuted minority and so what is peter saying here's how to act in response what would an idea rather than say you know what slavery is a horrible horrible thing get your pitchforks guys and get ready let's go out and stay let's have a nat turner type of rebellion right now and let's go get ourselves killed within five hours hey but we'll take down a couple of these supposed slave owners yeah or guys you know what it's not commendable you should be depressed why don't you go ahead and just kill yourself because you're in a horrible type of state here in this type of slavery which don't forget most of it was indentured servitude it was not this type of harsh belts no 90% historians say of that type of slavery was indentured servitude and so lastly come back to that they had no political power and the context of first peter is all about how do you handle suffering as a persecuted group so it's commendable in how to heal suffering in a certain way not that slavery is commendable and so before you i want to give both of you one more round each before we'll actually give you closing statements and so if you have one more on the subject we will give you a place to tell where everyone is out there on the internet after that but then even more fun with the q&a so please keep on tagging me in chat at amy newman and clicking that link for debate con 3.1 but Nadir back over to you this is your final two minutes on the subject itself okay thank you so uh you said that basically you know something like the bible's not really promoting slavery yeah the bible does promote slavery it thinks it's wonderful now this is an advice for you and your father okay you guys like preaching you know on college campus the bible shows you how it says slaves be subject to their masters and everything try to plead them don't do not talk back to them don't you talk back so this is a scientific error of the passage number one it's it doesn't respect the intelligence of the slave don't you talk back boy where do they get that from it's from the bible as you could clearly see in the text now let's keep reading don't steal for them but show that you can be fully trusted so that they in every way will make the teachings of god our savior attractive it's telling us that when you tell this boy don't you talk back to me this uncle tom slave is gonna make christianity attractive it will make the teachings of our god our savior attractive so if you are a true believer steward follow the advice in titus chapter 2 verse 9 through 10 and you should show or some way that the slave they are not talking back boy don't you talk back to me show that how this is going to make christianity look attractive when and so this is my challenge for you tonight explain to everyone here tonight how telling a slave don't you talk back this uncle tom slave how it's going to make the gospel look good so you when you ask where do the bible promote slavery it's right here in two titus going back to your ridiculous points we're not saying you know you got patiently persevered don't act politically handle suffering as a persecuted group yeah fine that's that's perfectly fine but you're missing the other aspects of the verse where it glorifies slave beating it tells us this is your calling in life and what is destroying you here tonight is destroying christianity is if you give this to the general public to the slave master he's going to see justification to do what he did you better write that's right you better submit to the harsh slave master the bible said so so again i will ask you two titus explain to us how don't you talk back slavery is going to make the teachings of our lord attractive please explain that to us go ahead i would just encourage anybody and everybody to go watch 13 years of slave jango and chained any of these huge popular movies in the last what decade that have come out just watch how the slave owners act when the bible comes into the picture and tell me do you accept nadir's point tonight where these slave owners all of a sudden were gifted bibles and they opened them and they say oh my gosh titus too first peter flippians colossians we've missed this so long we're supposed to beat blacks to death oh hey guys let's start a plantation here let's get let's get slay a certain certain minority into the cotton fields because the bible says it perfect oh it's so simple i can't believe we missed this throughout the bible we're supposed to have slaves and the slaves the bible says well no that's not in there unfortunately it's not the bible doesn't say it's supposed to be a certain race so let's just make that up let's say it's the african-americans and let's go get them because the bible says it even the secular liberal movies make a mockery of the idea showing that these white slave owners are actually getting the nat turners getting others who are great eloquent preachers to go and preach just these verses to other blacks in order to suppress them and then what do these blacks do they'll go to holy war passages in the old testament when they start to have these rebellions and it's a beautiful picture there in 13 years of slave 12 years of slave where you have nat turner actually going through this text and pointing at it saying you know what it's time to rise up it's time to rise up and he's looking at the old testament context key crucial nowhere in the text tonight that my dear red could you look in there and say let me draw a perfect connection between the whip and the commendability that jesus christ who became a slave for us over and over again it says right there in the new testament became a slave for us as the son of god says that physically you should be beating somebody who is less than you even though he became the ultimate slave for us as the son of god doesn't make sense thank you so very much and actually what we're going to do now nadir you can say whatever you want in your final two minutes but i also just want to give you a chance to tell people what you got going on on the internet on the interwebs in real life and what are your final thoughts on the subject before we move into the q&a yeah so as you can see he's uh you know once again steward is literally paralyzed he cannot defend the text now i have here a commentary because just to make sure that you know i'm reading it correctly here christians making the gospel beautiful this is talking about slaves this is the this is slave christians making the gospel beautiful and what is so beautiful about slavery which steward refused to answer here it says over here it says you don't you talk back boy that's coming from the bible it says that try to please them don't you talk back to them and that this slavery will make the gospel beautiful it says they will make the teachings of our god our savior attractive and steward he went off on some tangent about some movie he saw the gospel destroys any hope of abolition you are not even to talk back boy do you understand that so so here we see you know once again prophet muhammad corrects this evil the stupidity of your book steward because it's wrong you want the slaves to talk back you because they're the one building the project you want to get that collaboration that feedback so this is an error now let me show you what muhammad said about this i know this is very small and get ready for an acronistic miracle over here it says whoever has a slave woman and teaches her in good manners and educates her and sets her free and marries her you like two rewards so i want to make it clear that this is a mistranslation for those who speaks arabic it says educates her and gives them the best education that's how islam corrects the wicked teachings of the new testament so when we read don't you talk back slaves islam corrects it and says you give them the best education ascent of thought for those who can speak arabic it's just the wrong translation there but anyways so here we see yet three corrections to the errors in the bible it was indefensible that what what is missing from the bible is is a clear condemnation of hurting and beating a slave prophet muhammad fixed that and showed that if you beat a slave you'll burn in hell and this is an acronistic miracle why because to educate slaves and give them the best education that type of knowledge thinking wasn't available in the seventh century so here we see that there is things in the teachings of islam which do not exist in the seventh century if you're gonna give an education to anybody there's a bush wazi there's a high class not a low down slave so here we see that you know it is miraculous statements of islam that you give those slaves the best education when you give them the best education you know what they're gonna do they're gonna debate they're gonna pick up the sword the pen because the pen is mightier than a sword so when steward said oh well what else are they supposed to do you gotta patiently persevere no you've got the pen you can refute to them you give them the best education there's so many things you can do to fix the problem here you debate you speak out there's peaceful protest peaceful abolition there's so many things you could do to erase that evil of submitting to the harsh master no you don't say submit to the harsh slave master okay so this is how islam corrects the evil of the teachings of the new testament as you saw i'm sorry no i appreciate the passion and so there's still gonna have a chance to answer questions in the super chat i am going to i think and i also wanted to get a chance for you stewart to tell people where channels any sort of things going on in the rls but you're both going to have more chances to defend your position or each other's go point of view in the q&a but stewart anything going on in the internet the rls yes so our youtube give me an answer ask cliff channel you check it out all of our new debates are coming up we've got some big southern schools where we were invited to in a couple weeks so looking forward to going down there uh tiktok is stewart connectly i'm going to be doing some of these debate reviews coming up love what modern debate it's got going on in terms of kind of what it puts up and how to dissect some of these issues deeper and then and then just a lot of posts wider posts on other things that we're going to be doing we're branching out in many different ways so just check out those two and then instagram is stewart connectly so those are the top ones yeah and with that before we move in to the q&a i do want to send love out there to our chat our entire modern day debate community i do want to thank stewart and nadir because this concludes the open discussion on is christianity true but there's still fun left we're about to move into our q&a section where you can tag me in chat at amy newman super chats of course get priority read thank you so very much for supporting the channel but if you look at the bottom right of your screen you can see our debate con 3.1 conference on saturday april 22nd in fort worth tickets are in the description box and if you throw a buck into the crowd fun less than a cup of coffee at the link below then you can watch the whole conference alive from home in sweatpants though also don't forget to please hit that like and subscribe button it helps us reach an even larger audience and get even more fantastic debates to you our viewers with that let's get back into the action as we move into the q&a in fact the first super chat from hate stairs five dollars says this is just mcdonald's and burger king debating who is healthier both of your arguments stink and i will say for anyone who says i'll give you two minutes someone else i'll do a minute and we'll have a 30 seconds if you want to close it but any of you want to take it yeah yeah so the argument i think is is pretty valid doesn't stink i mean steward is not explaining to us how slavery is going to make the gospel beautiful and will he begin to incorporate the advice of his of what the bible is telling him on how to evangelize and minister to people so you know this is a question i will post right back to steward it says you don't talk back boy that type of slavery you know it's gonna make the gospel beautiful so explain how this works and will you incorporate this in your ministry go ahead who in the world says don't talk back boy nobody said that doesn't say that anywhere and if you said you said don't have to pick up the spear just pick up the pen that would have been just as bad in that day and age that would have circulated anyway it's a joke the pen as well as the spear in that day and age would have been the equivalent when it came to this topic nadir is just not really thinking through this at all secondly i agree with the whole mcdonald's burter king analogy i kind of like it because this debate was more so on is christianity just dangerous and nadir tried to take it a little further and by saying you know it's dangerous so that's why it's not credible but that's that's not it's not a good way of debating it so whoever asked that question i don't think they're terrible arguments i think that little boy or girl who asked that question just then uh probably again it's not in the arena and he probably will be swimming in the shallow end with himself and yet he makes a good point in the sense of that's kind of what the debate was on rather than let's deal with the credibility and rationality of what christianity is thank you for that super chat hate stairs and both of those answers panel and madicus minot he had a five dollar super chat with just support but i also see that he tagged us in many more fantastic super chats like the next five dollar super chat from madis minute howard will teach his kids to believe everything he believes five dollars i am not sure because it says howard but he has many more i'll figure out which one he's coming for you in a second madis minute for another five dollars they bring religion and state to divide and conquer us and here we are you ever see the cross and crown i'll take yeah i mean sure so the separation of church and state though was done by christianity that's the funny part of it and so in terms of the freedoms that we have and how we don't need to be dominated by a state that has been infused with a particular religion to be secularism obviously part of atheism islam or christianity is a large benefit and that came from christianity and that person asking that question making that point i don't think i've done their historical check on that thank you so very much for all the support medic madicus and all of the answers panel and then a ten dollar super chat from yeshua ducking karan 355 says jesus's followers will dominate until the day of judgment and the demon possession verse doesn't contradict karan so no reason to reject since a la confirmed the gospel karan 33 so yeah let me answer that very quickly uh no nothing he said is true the karan does not associate uh you know demonic possession with epilepsy so basically what's happening here is the gospel is indefensible and because it's indefensible they're trying to appeal to islam this is not the topic of tonight's debate you should ask your coward apologists like david wood your coward apologists like apostate prophet why don't they come and debate me on these things so i'm ready for these debates but this is not the time in place for it now you know let me correct stewart in which he thought that you know don't talk back is not in the text it is in the text titus chapter two verses nine to ten teach slaves to be subject to their masters and everything not to talk back to them boy yeah i added the boy at the end that's fine i think i can do that and stewart still hasn't explained to us how is this going to make the gospel attractive these are boldface lies which are being told to you and you are you you're not even you can't even defend it you cannot even mount a defense and the question is are you going to implement the gospel in your preaching ministry you and your father should appeal to slavery appeal to this and explain this is what's going to bring into people it's going to make christianity look attractive stewart so for the you know i am waiting patiently for you to to to explain to us how this is going to work and and correct yourself because you see you were in denial you said the bible couldn't have said something so evil at that don't you talk back boy because you don't respect the intelligence of the slaves when you say that so you see stewart why you should be a muslim for every evil passage that i'm showing you in your bible prophet Muhammad corrected this it said give the slave the best education and that is a scientific miracle because that giving slaves an education is not something from the seventh century that's something from today's time so this is a great miracle for you to see and you are seeing right before your own eyes how islam is correcting the falsehood of your bible go ahead yeah i'll give you focusing on stewart because he named check yeah yeah and keep focusing on the whole talk back piece obviously it wasn't don't talk back boy that's totally made up not to respond to them not to talk back to them okay what would have happened 150 years ago if you were to talk back to your slave master and a deer you would have killed you or you got put in the hole for a week pretty smart pretty smart peter pretty smart titus paul to say not to talk back that's that's some genius advice actually i i would have given the same myself now unfortunately nadir should actually listen to adolf hitler that's right i said adolf hitler a little bit more who was more genuine he's definitely hitler unfortunately was a smart guy a lot smarter than me and nadir as smart as he is um when you know hitler so clearly considered christianity in particular paul since we talked a lot about paul as well he talked about paul introducing kind of this deliberate lie was the quote of hitler a deliberate lie and that lie concerned the values of equality when it came to slavery and compassion because hitler could not say hey when it comes to paul and peter and these others there is the deliberate lie that we have to be careful of because we know that this book is about compassion and love and elevating the slave even hitler talked about we need to strip it away or else we're gonna become passive and loving and other even towards the jews so it's not interesting how he understood that but nadir didn't but hitler went to seminary so maybe that's why and then nadir 30 seconds last comment yeah he was saying it's too dangerous to talk back actually no it's not when when going back to my example remember what prophet muhammad said he talked back he said you're gonna burn in hell for doing that okay you can argue you could say that's wrong what you're doing we can be slaves we can be good we can we can do the work but for god's sake stop that stop hitting a child you know that's wrong talking back is very good because and so what islam is doing it's educating the slaves so that they can't debate so they can't talk back and that pen is my dear than the sword thank you so very much yeshua the king for your super chat and both of your answers in a lock it is a five dollar super chat from bitter truth hi nadir how was last debate with me god restrained sky from falling in karan low yeah this is this is all off topic once again you know we need to focus on the arguments of tonight's debate the argument which is destroying steward destroying the bible as you can see it's indefensible steward still has not explained to us how the how slavery don't you talk back he tried to defend that evil no that's evil okay of course you should talk back you should debate you should discuss you say hey let's talk about what's going on over here educate the slaves like what prophet mohammed said and he still hasn't explained to us if he's going to employ titus chapter two versus nine through ten in his ministry it said it will make the gospel look attractive steward okay that's slavery don't you talk back and i want you to give your example of how you're going to tell these people don't you talk back is actually very good it's going to keep you safe of course you gotta you've got to exercise wisdom not everybody is evil like this there are people who will listen to you and you gotta exercise good judgment sure but islam gave the right answer and it pointed to the slave master and said you will burn in hell and that's exactly what's missing from the bible so you know it this is a it you know it it is an open and shut case as far as what is a false religion and what is a true religion i think it's a and you know steward still hasn't explained how do you explain this anachronistic miracle of edgy given the best education what is that doing in the seventh century mohammed was an illiterate man an illiterate man telling people you gotta give them the best education explain that to us steward and steward he named jack you got a minute i think it's getting a little late from a dear i think we should probably tuck them in and call it because his ideas are just getting weaker and weaker and slightly more naive even but that he thinks i should take Titus to and and talk to slaves somehow and he's probably would say they're african-american and somehow that paul would want us to go round up some slaves somewhere and and somehow take them and beat them and and then go go share the gospel you show me one person one person bring them to me please who honestly believes that's what the text says even if that person honestly believed it you yourself please please go and read that text there is nothing that communicates to us contextually speaking that paul is saying to us as readers because don't forget the bible was written to them wasn't written to us that somehow we would take that and say let's go find a specific race and let's go tell them hey you gotta obey me and then somehow we'll evangelize to others this is such a clear home run for Titus it's it's not even close and i just wish nadir would bring up slightly more difficult passages because there are difficult passages in the bible i'm just not going to tell them which ones they are and then we get a real debate you got 30 seconds nadir for a final response sure yeah he asked me just find me one christian who would kind of like agree with all this here's uh mclaran's exposition on the gospel on titus it's at the lowest of the population who lives who lives were passed in sword squalors whose duties were narrow and often repulsive and yet in their limited sphere and lowly lot might make fairer the truth which is already beautiful with a beauty of god so here slavery and looking at these uh don't you talk back type slaves it's gonna make the gospel beautiful and that's baloney i have 12 commentaries we can go through them but we don't have time and here we see the bible is telling you boldface lies which we know are not true and steward cannot defend it thank you bitter truth for your super chat and in a lock it is for your responses and a five dollar super chat from laden h vac for nadir the karan says the bible is true if the karan is true then the bible is true and if the bible is true then the karan is false yeah so you know what we're seeing here is the type of capitulation on behalf of the christians there it is indefensible to uh the the passages which were quoted today are indefensible so their last dish hope you could say is to try to appeal to islam to make ever to make the bible correct this is all nonsense hold on one second this is all nonsense and actually this was supposed to be a debate i was supposed to have was david wood in which i'll show you exactly in the karan where it called where it show that the bible has been changed has been corrupted but he's been running up till this point so i'm ready for these islam debates you're not you're not getting it it is your people it are on raw it is david wood it is a positive profit and others in them they are the ones running away i'm not so but this is not the topic for tonight's discussion i'll ask for you to defend the text everything you saw tonight from within the from from the bible and all of that thank you so very much nadir and sending love uh latinite for that super chat another ten dollar super chat from bitter truth god holding birds in the middle of the sky preventing from falling chapter six verse seventy nine how was our last debate at galeb channel low you read that one more time because i want to make sure i get the grammar correctly god holding birds in middle of sky preventing from falling chapter sixteen verse seventy nine how was our last debate at galeb channel low i'm sorry i was eating something oh you're good this is all off topic but on the topic of scientific is the caron and complete harmony with science i'm ready for that debate again who is going to challenge me what the problem here is the atheists are seeing debate victory after debate victory and now they have come to the conclusion that that caron and science is unwinnable for them so now they have ran away and the people like bitter truth are filling the void left behind by r and raw by other than them even matt dill huntay you saw him right on in our debate i challenged him on this topic he ran away so this is their Wagner group okay who the atheist Wagner group who is now filling the void by the retreating um atheist apologies but this debate we actually did talk about science that is a spectacular anachronistic miracle why would a man in the seventh century talk about slaves getting an education giving them the best education an illerate man giving slaves an education is completely unheard of okay until recent times if they didn't value education and if they did it was for the high class people so look how islam is correcting the wrong teachings of the bible don't you talk back compare the two don't you talk back versus give them the best education where is the truth i think it's clear go ahead thank you so very much nadir for your response and your super chat we're all the support we have a super chat from anton gomez form 88 i believe mexican peso for both bible says honor and obey parents while karan says go a step further and be nice plus the mother deserves more obedience superior yes no and why again this is all off topic and and the reason why everybody in the chat is going off topic especially the christians is because they're not able to defend two titans they're not able to defend yes the bible is responsible for the stigmatization of epileptics as being demon possessed as we got the confession out of steward earlier today on that they're not able to defend the issue about the glorification of slave beating that you're going to become just like g that this is your calling in life that's it's i only quoted really like three verses of the bible and and so what we're seeing here is a type of catastrophic destruction of the christian religion it is indefensible and that's why i like said in the very beginning it's you a very few christians i can't think of any who would come tonight to defend the bible uh against this onslaught which you saw today they go against the easy guys like the mad dilla honte the the erin ron and and and and all these other people you know they don't go into the level which which i go in and i also want kind of appeal to the atheists look at my debate what you've seen here tonight and compare it with matthew dilla honte or other people which one you like better which approach do you like better you know and and i would say you guys should have should embrace my uh the approach which you saw here today i think is far more effective uh and we we can we can join together and we can we can uh defeat this false religion of christianity and if you want to go against us you could do that too so anyway that's that's all i have to say on this thank you so very much for that super chat antan and the response nadir a ten dollar super chat from bitter truth and thank you so very much bitter truth for the love and support nadir why muhammad didn't abolish slavery and had slaves in his hand even karan says chapter 16 71 we know slavery is against humanity yeah yeah so islam actually did abolish slavery but this is not the topic tonight i'm not going to answer any questions of of islam out of protest and here's the reason why i told you i'm ready to debate these topics they're going after the easy opponents the douchebags like daniel hakikachu and other people like them okay and and so i spend most of my time by my lonesome they don't want to debate me on these things they go after the easy opponents but now we have a debate on christianity now comes all the islam questions forget it i'm not going to answer your islam questions we are going to stick with a topic which is a which is christianity and i'm i have been actually working with james on a topic of of islam slavery but they are running away because they have taken so much damage in previous debates on these topics that they don't want to engage with me so i'm not going to answer any questions on islam this is christianity and and you and we need to focus on the three arguments which i raised tonight thank you so very much for the super chat and the response and another five dollar super chat from madicus minot nadir was born into muslim this is all he knows he can't think outside of it he is programmed so the the questioner is actually exposing his uh you know his stupidity here because people who engage in debates like what you see over here you spend a lot of time studying and and and arguing from the other person's book or other person's belief system so i think that is a more of a reflection of yourself okay so like i went into the bible i studied the bible i went to be with atheists i studied their stuff so that makes no sense go ahead and all right thank you so very much madicus for all the love and support you gave us and nadir for the response oh bitter truth is coming for you thank you again bitter truth for all the love a ten dollar super chat nadir we atheists are willing to debate with you i'm representing my brother gay lib kamal let's debate on it at modern day debate and i will say you can always tag us at we have our email listed in the description and the account and feel free to always reach out to us we're always looking for more debaters but nadir right back over to you yeah so i think you've already been answered and uh the i've actually did have two debates with this guy why because the iron ross matt dillahan to all those other people david wood about it all the other people here on modern day debate that you see they walked away they want to debate the easy people like perfect dawah come on give me a break you see so so what's happening here is bitter truth is filling the void he's filling the void left behind by the retreating apologist why because islam is dominating modern day debate it is we are seeing strings of debate victory is after debate victories that those guys who own the big channels they see i cannot beat that casers validity to the science arguments of islam so what bitter truth here he's like the Wagner group he's just filling the void left behind by the retreating apologist i've already had two of them i guess i'll do a third one because i truly can't find anybody else uh but let's stick with the topic of christianity go ahead thank you so very much i do want to say that we have about 10 more minutes left in the q&a it's been moving fast and so if you want to guarantee that your question is read send it now because we want to respect our interlocutors time and i do want to thank you both nadir and steward for joining us tonight another bitter truth ten dollar super chat coming at you and thank you so very much bitter for the love of uh advise them oh first advise them then if they persist forsake them in bed and finally strike them coran chapter 4 34 god is telling them to beat their wives yeah this is this is all taken out of context once again this guy just doesn't listen i mean i have already explained to we're not going to debate islam we're going to debate christianity so but but the verse which you quoted 4 34 it's taken out of context and you've actually misrepresented it but uh this i want to make sure i just want to remind stewart you know i want you to do i want you to link this uh debate victory of yours uh on your channel if you be so kindly do that and i will do the same uh so please let me know what your thoughts on that stewart the deer you beat me too badly i'm not going to do that you're not going to link this debate to your channel i'm just kidding just kidding well i'll have to talk i don't do our channel i'll have to talk to our our guy down south he typically is just doing he's just doing uh episodes right now of our campus debates but no i'll ask him to he he does some so maybe yeah did you want to challenge me on any topics related to islam oh in a debate in the future yeah i'm open yeah yeah let's let's uh i think i got your email now yeah i'll i'll send you a line okay slavery we could um let me let me give a little thought to it all right sure send in love to our analogators and we're always looking forward to more fantastic debates another five dollar super chat from manicus minot howard knows all obey him nadir don't come back howard you're a joke all brainwashed i yeah you know what i'm seeing here in the in the in the comments here or the chat they're they're just throwing rotten tomatoes and um so i'm not even going to respond to some of the negative comments and i will remind everyone out there to always try and attack the beliefs and not the interlocutor but we do support all the love that everyone's been sending us and our interlocutors for joining us we only have a few more questions left to go but it has been a fantastic debate another five dollar super chat from bitter truth thank you so much bitter there's radical christians similar to radical muslims they just don't attack because of law steward maybe i apologize can you ask that one more time absolutely there's radical christians similar to radical muslims they just don't attack because of the law steward sure but i like finally that nadir used the word context as well that's what i've been using all night long and so it's difficult for some passages in the caron in the bible and the humanist manifesto i have issues with as well that we have to slow down our thinking pull the emotion sit the emotion out of it check out the environment um tacit beliefs is what the philosopher charles taylor talks about background beliefs that so many of us bring to any type of text sift through that and then yes look at good commentaries and then really work through it but so often someone will just rip kill the infidel out of context or someone will just rip slaves obey your masters out of context and or or um submit your wife submits your husbands right out of context instead of slowing down and saying hey let's not just turn that into a bumper sticker and say i know exactly what that means look it says it that's what it means slowing down never reading a bible verse is what is something that i say never read the bible verse basically just meaning you have to look at context context is king and so absolutely you look at trump's 33 percent for example many have claimed to be christians and have held the title and have done some some pretty bad things but then i i talked about nicholas christoff who's the top op-ed writer at the new york times strong despises christianity and yet he flew back a couple years ago after going down to africa and said if africa didn't have christianity it would be a complete poop show and so he's grown an entirely new respect and he's looking at the credibility of christianity because he's seen all that's that christianity is doing based off of its theology in africa thank you so very much stewart for that response and the continued love and support from all of our superchatters and a five dollar super chat from xx wellx is nadir aware that there is worse stuff in islam nadir what does the karan mean when it says you can have sex with whom your right hand possesses if there was worse things in islam then i would not be here okay as far as what the right hand possession is call me for a debate on this topic okay i would love to talk about these things but this is not a debate on islam this is a debate on christianity but what what you are silenced about and everybody you know in those chat is not answering we saw some very good things in islam number one it refused to repeat the scientific error that this person who's suffering from you know these symptoms you know epilepsy that this person was demon possessed that's a very good thing all right that's why islam is out of all the literature the scientific literature it's all putting the blame on the new testament we saw another good thing that Muhammad said you will burn in hell to the wicked slave master who beats a slave that's a very good thing and then we saw this miraculous verse in which Muhammad a man who's illiterate in the seventh century desert is telling give slaves the best education that is a response to don't you talk back bible verses okay so it's clear what is the true guidance here it's clear that islam is correcting the misguidance and the errors of the bible it should be and this is just a small few examples i've given you there's many more examples like this so it is my sincere wish to save steward and his father from the hellfire because the new testament offers a false hope of salvation and that they will begin their journey to following islam as the evidence just follow the evidence and it will lead you to the truth steward and i just want to say before he answers that we're going to have about three more super chats but then we are going to be heading out of here because we want to respect our interlocutors time but steward if you had something to say you absolutely i'll hand it over to you if you ever became a slave in the future please don't talk back to your ruthless slave owner please by all means just take it from me don't take it from the bible don't take it from a deer don't talk back because you're going to get in a lot of physical trouble most likely but more importantly not too long ago i was in uber in texas with a muslim guy and i asked him all about the muslim faith and he gave some great fascinating points but then we got down to since nadir wants me to become a muslim and enter into paradise one part one part about it that christianity has to offer that i think makes christ really christianity very rational is you have the god of the universe who loves you and the christian faith in the muslim faith you have a law who tolerates you and you're supposed to he shows some level of mercy sure but there's no loving personal relationship no that would be defaming that that would be tremendously that'd be heretical so do not have a loving personal close relationship with a law but in the christian faith that you really want to flourish as a human being and talk about science backing it look at the latest harvard studies in the christian faith a close personal relationship with the god of the universe makes all the difference and so back to this uber driver who's muslim like i was like hey i'm a fan of islam tell me more and the last thing he said was the thing that i found the saddest which was you know even though i follow islam as closely as i possibly can i'll never know for certain whether i'm saved or not and whether i'm going to paradise and he said that's true for all of us muslims we never will really know but for the christian jesus says i'm the way the truth in the life clearly come through me and it's by my grace you believe in me you will have eternal life so there's security in eternal life for you believing in christ and getting there but in islam there's no security you don't know if your heart is heavier or lighter than a feather thank you so very much for that response were you yeah you got 30 seconds not dear the floor is yours yeah islam does have a personal loving relationship with god most of what he said was not true he's saying you don't even know if you're safe or not yes you do but this is not a topic on that on that on this issue this is not but going back to his cab driver i would probably point you to a better source your ridiculous attempt to not trying to defend don't you talk back i mean saying okay we could get you in trouble well you got to exercise wisdom with it when you have a wicked evil slave master you can bring up issues with him and you can find an intelligent way to even debate and defend that and defend certain things so that explanation that don't you talk back you're trying to defend that it will not work because remember now this also applies to to good slave masters now and and how is the what destroyed christianity that you give it to the general public and you and how are they going to interpret it well they're going to think all situations you you slaves you don't talk back to me but islam corrected this nonsense and it said that no you give them the best education because when you give people that education what are they going to do they're going to talk back they're going to debate they're going to pick up the pen and they're going to demand their freedom and so this is is is is putting the slave on the path to freedom and that's not what you find in the bible you find that you are that you do not talk back in all circumstances whether good or bad and all right we got back to back i think love for daniel to come on and then we got one more question for you nadir leo a five-dollar super chat spicy coming in stewart don't debate nadir anymore you should debate muslims who actually know how to debate like that d-bag daniel i will keep on saying that you should always support attack the beliefs not the interlocutors that interlocutors and the floor is absolutely right over to you nadir yeah that's like that's like one of the greatest compliments you could give me let me explain to you how debating and apologetics works the really tough guys are really hard guys you want to get rid of them there are people who are jokes like perfect dawah and other than them and you see that they're serenaded they're celebrated and the discourse is very nice with them you want the people on the other side who are the ignorant embarrassments you want to keep them but the ones that do catastrophic damage you want to get rid of them so when you said that to me i mean that to me i would take that as a wonderful common in fact you i can show in fact when i do my progress report i save many comments showing look how many people said get rid of this nadir amen this guy what a deep platform in from modern day debate and to me that is truly you know one of the greatest signs of my success and i show to other people so i want to thank you for that you see you got to understand how these debates work because i can tell you there are a lot of douchebags there are a lot of douchebags here on on a modern day debate but how many are you going to see this type of rhetoric get rid of that guy get rid of that guy right i just want thank leo for the super chat and both of our interlocutors who i love including all of our interlocutors who come on modern day debate and thank you for the super chat and the response nadir and a five dollar super chat from bitter truth almost bouncing off that the spices real oh well stewart regardless but i would love to debate with nadir he can bring daniel and i with you and i can propose the topic please let me know yeah i mean if there's no one else to debate with okay this is my point you see i'm still reeling from the last comment i'm so happy i heard that he said get rid of this nadir guy to me that is really after like i could say you know after 31 years that's one of the greatest signs of my of my success up here that you got the opposing party telling to get rid of the view to me that it's just really wonderful i'm going to have a good night's sleep tonight so yeah i mean so as you can see i can't find people to debate with you know it i sit by my lonesome most of the time because these people are not going to want to be in the in the shoe the of stewart they're going to take catastrophic damage you know and and and uh so that's so if you are truly successful at debating you're going to spend a lot of time spending by yourself and people trying to get rid of you because they're because you're going to bring damage to them and and so i'm very happy at this point that's what i'm saying thank you so very much bitter truth for all the continued love and support you sent us and nadir for that answer and fantastic we actually got one snuck in for stewart a very quick one charles lennar for two dollars high stewart hope all is well man you too my friend create the line thank you so very much charles for that super chat and that response stewart and then the last super chat of the night before we head out five dollars from valentino nadir can you defend galatian one eight and how it says if an angel brings a new gospel he is damned by god yeah that's probably uh well i think if you galatians one eight i think what you're referring to here is about someone come and preaching another gospel but the question tonight you got to wonder is the gospel you have today corrupted by satan because i can tell you right anybody can see that two titus chapter two verse that talking about the gospel the slavery is going to make the gospel look beautiful those are the words of the devil and you are going to burn in the same hell with the devil who wrote that in your book the terrible curse the new testament put on epileptics that is something only demons do so you got to start questioning what the heck are we getting here you know you got to start applying that to your own book when you saw passages in the bible which glorified unjust slave beating say you're going to be this is your calling in life is this from god or from the devil you see this is you got to make that decision here we have two competing passages one passage is saying this is basically grooming you to get a slave beating okay just like a sex trafficker telling you that getting your beating is like a this is your calling in life and you've got another one another passage opposing passage which says if you beat a slave you're gonna burn in hell which passage is from the devil which one is from god i think it's very clear thank you so very much in fact i want to thank both of our interlocutors stewart and the deer for joining us on modern day debate we are a neutral non-partisan platform welcoming everybody from all walks of life if you're looking for even more fantastic debates we are now all over the internet including your favorite podcasting platforms plus if you look at the bottom right of the screen you can see our debate con 3.1 conference on saturday april 22nd live in fort worth tickets are in the description box and if you throw a buck less than a cup of coffee into the crowd fun at the link below then you can watch the whole conference from home so if you enjoy the show then please don't forget to like follow and subscribe it helps us even reach a wider audience including tonight's debate on is christianity true with our debaters stewart and the deer who were here to help us find that answer furthermore if you like what any of our guests have had to say tonight all of their links are in the description below finally if you're looking for even more fun feel free to check out our mdd discord which often throws after parties around the topic with that i am amy newman with modern day debate we hope you continue having great conversations discussions and debates good night everyone