Live from Las Vegas, Nevada, it's theCUBE. Covering Accelerate 2017, brought to you by Fortinet. Now, here are your hosts, Lisa Martin and Peter Burris. Hi, welcome back to theCUBE. We are Silicon Angles flagship program where we go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. Today, we are with Fortinet at their 2017 Accelerate event in Las Vegas. I'm your host Lisa Martin and I'm joined by my co-host Peter Burris. And we are fortunate right now to be joined by George Moore. George is the technology, excuse me, the CSO from Microsoft Azure who is a big technology alliance partner for Fortinet. George, welcome to theCUBE. Nice to have you, thank you. We're excited to have you on, you are, as we mentioned, the CSO at Azure, but you're the CSO for all of the Azure compute services. You are one of the founders of the Azure engineering team from back in 2006 and we were talking offline. You hold over 40 patents and things like secure deployment, interactive design, et cetera.  I am, yes. So, one of the things that we've been talking about with our guests on the show today and a great topic that was in the general session was about really the value of data and how do businesses transform to digital businesses, the value in that data has to be critical. So, I'd love to get kind of your take on as businesses have to leverage that data to become more successful or to become successful as digital businesses, we know that the security at the perimeter is not the only thing, it needs to be with the data. So, what is Azure doing to secure the cloud for your customers and how do you help them mitigate or deal with the proliferation of mobile devices and IoT devices that they have that are connecting to their networks? No, absolutely. Digital disruption is affecting everybody and it's a huge thing that many companies are struggling to understand and to adopt their business models and to really leverage what digital can do for them and certainly the work we're doing in the public cloud with Azure helps that significantly. And as you mentioned, there's just a proliferation of devices, a proliferation of data. So, how do you have defense in-depths? You don't have perimeter-based security but you actually have defense in-depth at every level. And at its heart, it really falls down to how do you do encryption at rest, how do you secure the data encrypted? Who holds the keys for the data? What's the proliferation of the keys? How does control manage for that? But of course, if the data's encrypted, you really want to be able to do things upon it. You want to be able to compute over it. You want to do queries, analytics, everything. So, there's the question of how do you securely exchange the keys? How do you make sure that the right virtual machines are running, the right computer's running at the time to do the queries? And that's the set of controls and security models and services that we provide in Azure that makes it super easy for customers to actually use that. Well, Azure has been, Azure represents, it's called the second big transformation for Microsoft. Where the first one might have been associated with Explorer, some of the amazing things that Microsoft did to transform itself in the 1990s. And it seems to be going pretty well. How is security facilitating this transformation from a customer value proposition? Well, security is absolutely the number one question that every customer has whenever they start talking about the cloud. And so, we take that very, very seriously. Microsoft spends over a billion dollars a year on all of our security products all up. We have literally armies of people who do nothing every day but wake up and make sure that the product is secure. And that really boils down to two big pieces. One is how do we keep the platform secure from the security controls that we have ourselves and the compliance attestations and everything to make sure that when customers bring their workloads to us, they are in fact kept secure. And then second is a set of security controls we provide to customers so they can actually secure their workloads, integrate their security models with whatever they're running on-premise and have the right security models, attestations, multi-factor authentication, identity controls, et cetera, for their own workloads. And security is very context specific. Not necessarily I'm getting into a conversation industry or whatnot, but just in terms of the classifications of the services that need to be provided. We were talking a little bit about how some of the services that you provide end up being part of the architecture for other services within the Azure Cloud. Talk a little bit about how you envision security over time evolving as a way of thinking about how different elements of the Cloud are going to be integrated and come together in the role that security is going to play in making that possible and easy. We're absolutely right, I mean Azure is composed of right now 80 some odd different services and there is definitely a layering where for example my components around the compute pieces are used by the higher order services around HDN site and some of the analytic services and such. And so the security models we have in place internally for compute in turn are used by those higher order services. And the real value we can provide is having a common security, common customer facing security model for customers. So there's a common way by which they can access the control plane, do management operations upon these services, how they can access the endpoints of the services using a common identity model, a common security model, role-based access control. Again from a common perspective, logging, auditing, reporting. So all this has to be cohesive, correct and unified so that customers aren't facing this just tumultuous array of different services that speak different languages so to speak. So we're here at Fortinet Accelerate 2017. Tell us how long Microsoft, Azure and Fortinet have been working together and what are you most excited about with some of the announcements from Fortinet today? Well Microsoft and Fortinet's partnership has been going on for quite some time, specifically in the Azure space. We've been doing two different, two major thrust around integration with the Azure Security Center which is a set of services that we have within Azure that provides turnkey access to many, many different vendors including Fortinet as one of our primary partners. And then Fortinet also has all their products in the Azure marketplace so that customers can readily just in a turnkey manner use the Fortinet next generation firewalls and such as virtual machines, incorporate those directly within their workloads and have a very seamless billing model, very seamless partnership model, very seamless go to market strategy for how we jointly promote, jointly provide these services. One of the things that one of our guests was talking with us about today was really that it's an easy sell if you will at the C level to sell the value of investing in the right infrastructure to secure environments. Looking at that in correlation to the fact that there's always historically been a challenge or a concern with security when it comes to enterprises moving workloads to the cloud. I'm curious about this easy sell position that cyber security and the rise of attacks brings to seeing the adoption of more enterprise workloads. We're seeing numbers that are going to show or predicting that north of 85% of the enterprise workloads will be in the cloud by 2020. How much is Microsoft, as you're seeing the fact that cyber security attacks are becoming more and more common, hitting some pretty big targets affecting a lot of big names. How much are you seeing that as really an impetus and maybe drive that adoption higher and higher? From a reference point of view. I see that every day. I mean, I give many, many talks to the C level to CSO, CEOs, et cetera. And I can say in many industries like the banking industry, the financial sector, 18 months ago, banks did not have any interest in public cloud. It was just like, thank you, we have no interest in cloud. But recently there's been this dawning realization that Azure and the public cloud products are in fact, in many cases, more secure than what the banks and other financial industry sectors can actually provide themselves. Because we're providing huge amounts of investments from an on an ongoing basis that we can actually provide better security, better integrated security than what they can afford on premise. And so as a result, we're seeing this now literally stampede of customers coming to us and saying, okay, I get it. You can actually have a very, very highly secure environment. You can provide security controls that go well above and beyond whatever I could do on premise. And it's better integrated than what I could ever pull together on premise. One of the reasons for that is because of the challenge of finding talent. And you guys can find a really talented person, bring them in, and that person can build security architectures for your cloud that then can be served, that can be used by a lot of different customers. So what will be the role of, or how will this need for talent in the future? What will be the role for how people engage your people, clients people engage your people to ensure that that people side moves forward? And how do you keep scaling that as you scale the cloud? Right. Well, certainly people are always the bottleneck in virtually every industry and specifically within the computing space. And what we really see and the value we're seeing from customers is that the people that they had previously on premise who are working to secure the base level common infrastructure are now freed, that they don't have to do that work. They can do other interesting things at the application level and move their value add further up the stack, which means they can innovate more rapidly, they can add more features more quickly, because they're not having to worry about the lower level infrastructure pieces that's secured by Azure. And so we're seeing this dawning realization that we're moving into this new golden age where there's higher degree of agility with respect to innovation happening at the application level. Because remember applications have to be, if you're having a compliant workload, if you're having PCI compliance within the credit card industry, for example, you have to have the entire application and its infrastructure part of the compliance boundary. So that means when you're building that app, you have to give your auditors the complete stack for them to pass that. If you're only having to worry about this much as opposed to that much, then the amount of work that you can do, the amount of integration, the amount of agility, the amount of innovation you can do at that level is many orders of magnitude higher. So we really see that the value that a lot of customers are having here is that their talented people can be put to use on more important higher order business related problems as opposed to lower level sort of infrastructure level issues. Well, let's talk about that for a second, because one of the things that we see within our research is that the era of cloud as renting virtual machines is starting to transition as people start renting applications or applications as services that they themselves can start putting together. So, and partly the reason why that's exciting is because it will liberate more developers. It brings more developers into the process of creating value in the cloud. But as they do that, they now have visibility or they're going to be doing things that touch an enormous set of resources. So how do you make security easier to developers in Azure? Well, the key is that we can do high degrees of integration at the low level between these various services. It goes back to that issue of cascading of your stuff up into the other Azure services. Absolutely, I mean, think about it. We have, we saw on top of a mountain of information. We can, we have analytics and log files that know about virtually everything is happening in the cloud. And we can have machine learning, we can have intelligence, we can have machine intelligence and such that can extract signals from noise that would otherwise be impossible to discover at a single, from a single customer's perspective. Even if you have a low and slow attack by some sort of persistent individual, the fact that they're trying the slow and slow attack means that we are able to pull that signal out and extract that information that would not be really physically possible or economically possible for most companies to do on-premise. So does this get embedded into some of the toolkits that we're going to use to build these next generation cloud-based apps? It gets embedded in the toolkits, but also it gets embedded at the set of services like the Azure Security Center. I mean, a single pane of glass that's integrated with the products from Fortinet and others where the customer can go and have a single view across all their workloads running within Azure and get comprehensive alerts and understanding about the analytics that we're able to pull out and provide to those customers. So what's next? Well, I mean, security's an ever-evolving field and there's always, the bad guys are always trying new things. So the work that's really happening is, a lot of the innovation's happening is within the analytics, machine learning space around being able to pull more log files out, being able to do refining the algorithms and basically being able to provide more AI to the logs themselves that we can provide integrated alerts. Like for example, if you have the kill chain of an individual coming in, attacking one of your product and then using that to do lateral mobility to other products within your other services within your product, we can pull those together in a common log. We can show to customers, here's the sequence of events that this one individual did across three or four or five different services. You have top-level visibility and we can give you then guidance to say, if you insert separation of duties between these two individuals, then you could have broken that kill chain. So we can do proactive guidance to customers to help them secure their own workloads, even if they necessarily, initially we're not deployed in a necessarily most secure manner. So George, we just have a couple of minutes left but I'd love to get your perspective. You shared a tremendous amount of the accomplishments that Azure has made in public cloud and in security. What are the opportunities for partners to resell Azure services? Absolutely, I mean partners are, Microsoft has historically always worked incredibly well with partners. We have a very large partner ecosystem. I think it's the biggest. It is the biggest, exactly. I mean, okay, I don't want to brag too much, but yes. And we see specifically in the security space that partners are increasingly, around 40% of their revenue increasingly is coming from cloud-based assets, cloud-based cells. And so we're setting up the necessary partner channels and partner models where we can make sure that the reseller channels and our partners are an integral part of our environment and they can get the necessary revenue shares and we can give them the leads and how the whole system evolves. So absolutely, we believe that partners are first and foremost to our success and we're making deep, deep, deep investments in the partner programs to make that possible. Well, George, we wish you and Microsoft as your continued success, as well as with your partnership with Fortinet. We thank you so much for taking the time to join us on theCUBE today. Thank you. And for my co-host, Peter Burris, I'm Lisa Martin. Stick around, we'll be right back on theCUBE.


During the lockdown, the wild nature of our planet's species began to show how quickly they can re-take urban dwellings long conquered by humans. Animals seem to have gotten a fresh wind of confidence with the absence of human behaviour but for the residents in the Queensland Australia, a nightmare is unfolding that could see the city of Sydney being overrun by mice, wait to hear this. A plague of mice is sweeping Australia and the only way authorities know how to stop them could see other species like parrots completely wiped out and the mice are rampaging through southeastern parts of Australia gnawing through cables, burning homes, devastating farmlands and shutting down communications, blamed on an exceptional harvest of crops making breeding conditions rife for the plague with one mouse capable of producing a colony of over 400 in a matter of a few short months. And now farmers fear they could go underground for spring hibernation and re-emerge having bread underground and completely obliterate wide swathes of foodstuffs that are currently growing. They could re-emerge just as the food ripens and authorities are being encouraged to act now before it's too late as traumatised citizens are getting inventive and how to expose the tiny pests. With the mice populations now doubling every two weeks, time is running out to control this unprecedented outbreak by realistic means. Billions of rampaging mice have sparked horrific outbreaks stretching from Brisbane down to Melbourne and tormenting farmers for eight months solid. A mouse can live up to three years and female mice can start reproducing at just six weeks and it can give birth to ten babies every three weeks and the mum can get pregnant again the very next day after giving birth. With experts warning that without a concentrated baiting effort in the next few weeks this could easily turn into a three year plague event, napalm for mice has been developed and will be used when approved in a $50 million effort to combat the outbreak. But the next problem, if they can kill so many mice, will be the stench and disease that this will spread as a result of this action. Supermarkets in these areas are decimated with countless tons of food being disposed and constant cleaning of areas where food is stored and local residents as well as workers in these communities are already complaining that the stench is utterly unbearable and it's easy to feel hopeless in such situations but what do you guys think about the desperate situation of mice sweeping Australia? Comments below and as always, thank you for watching.


Hello, everyone. Being an interesting session, and I believe you all have seen the rundown of how far we've come with Wiki Africa Hour. And as such, you've gotten a glimpse of what the initiative looks like.  I will be bringing them on one by one to comment on the impact and contribution of the Wiki Africa Hour broadcast towards the Africa Wikimedia community. First, I will be bringing Wilson Uloha to air his comments. Wilson is a Wikimedian since 2018, if I remember correctly. And he contributes both in the Igbo Wikimedia user group and on the English Wikimedia too. And he has at least seen at least one of our Wiki Africa Hour episodes. And as such, he can make comments on what and what contributions the initiative has made to the movement so far. Wilson, welcome, Wilson. Please go ahead and comment on the impact you have seen or noticed that the Wiki Africa Hour has made towards the Africa Wikimedia community. Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Can you hear me? Hi, everyone. Hello? Yes, go ahead. We can hear you. Seriously? OK, I suspected you were going to ask me first. And of course, I'm a bit surprised. But then, OK, yeah, I can make a comment. The Wiki Africa Hour. Personally, for me, I'd comment because I watched the one with Catherine. And it felt really good knowing that we had that on our own platform. And I liked the topics, the direct questions you were able to pose. I'd also like to know if you would please guide me if you'd like specific areas you'd like me to talk about. So I'm just trying to give a general feel. Oh, no, just a freestyle for you. Please go ahead. No specifics, just general feeling. I particularly liked the session with Catherine because prior, I'm not sure I have encountered her in a conversation before, even though I missed the live session. But it was good knowing that someone who had similar problems like I was having or who comes from a community that I could identify with was in charge of that interview. And the kind of questions I would have asked if she was sitting beside me at a tea shop. So that's what I particularly liked about it. I also like to hear. We threw around the word diversity. We threw around the word inclusiveness a lot of times. But sometimes when we have the opportunities, actually tackle these things, we don't go in there because most times the people who do the tackling or who do the discussion are not exactly facing the challenges these communities in the inclusive state or the exclusive states or their diverse states may be experiencing. So for me, what stood out was the fact that somebody from outside, somebody who had arch. I think Wilson's network may have timed out for a bit. OK, can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you. OK, did you get all I said? Yes, except when you were trying to finish, per se. OK, I was saying that I was excited. I am still excited that a platform like that had someone who had the kind of problems I had or I was having talking to someone on the level of K3 and eliciting the kind of responses I wanted to hear. And it just felt very relatable, very personal for me. And of course, there was also the follow-up you told me about posting events from this side on the Wikiafrican news. Was it news right now? Newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. And while not being innovative, they are welcome ideas, especially for communities in this part. They are ideas we should encourage because as much as we want to bring people from different platforms, we also have to be aware that most times the current existing platforms may not be suitable or may not be as welcoming to these new folks, and they might need something that they can connect with. And for me, that was what the Wikiafrica was. Thank you. Thank you, Wilson, for those kind comments. Let's move over to Joffrey Katturega. Joffrey is from the Ugandan Wikimedia community. Joffrey currently serves as communication support for the Wikia INDABOT 2021 co-organizing team. And he has been on our episode, I think, the first one. I think, prior to that, he has also seen something that we have done on the Wikia Africa our episodes. Joffrey, please feel free to make your comments. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, so for me, I think the Wikia Africa Hour is really a big opportunity for us to have that event where you learn something new every time. And it's happening more regularly. And you know, it will be there almost every month. And there is a different topic. And then you come and learn something new. So it's a very good opportunity for upcoming, for even new kind of user groups, to learn more about what is happening in the movement. Because with media is really huge.  But have these events which break down things in bits. Like there was the session of people talking about why they are interested in standing for the board. So for someone who is thinking, yeah, maybe one time I should also put my name for that to run for the board, to have a session like that, where you hear people who are standing answering these questions. It's like a building with medians in Africa. So I really like the different topics that come every month for the different sessions that the way they are selected. Because it's not like it's uniform. It's like a new thing every time. And then the other thing is also like it's also an opportunity for us to share what we are working on in our different communities. There is someone from the Week Africa Hour who always reaches out to us in Uganda. And I say, yeah, what are you guys working on this month so that we can share it at the Week Africa Hour? So to give us that platform to share news of what is happening in Uganda with the rest of the media community is also very great. And that's also part of the way we shared about the Weeky endeavor that we are organizing. For us to be able to share an update of where we are and how we'd like people to participate in the conference. So we are already reaching out to a wider audience through the Week Africa Hour. So I think the impact is really huge. And we're just looking forward to more episodes and see it reach all corners of Africa. So yeah, I think for me, that's how I've seen the impact of having different topics discussed every month and people learning something new every time. I personally benefited from that. And I think other Weeky medians in Africa and elsewhere have also benefited the same way. Thank you so much, Joffrey, for those comments. And yes, we're always seeking out a special way to keep everybody in the movement of the day about their respective Weeky communities and their activities. Thank you so much. Let's move over to Huzmedin. Hello, Huzmedin. Hello. Yes, guys, Huzmedin is from the Weeky Media community of Tunisia. And he is a founding member of that Weeky Media community. Tunisia is a group. And he is also a founding member of the Weeky Project in Maghreb, Arabic, and the coordinator of the Wikipedia Library. And member of the Weeky Project Med, an active contributor of Wikipedia, of course, and also the test-weekly administrator in the Weeky Media Incubator. Huzmedin has an idea of what we've been doing with the Weeky Africa our episodes. And as such, I believe he has some comments to make on the impact so far in the movement.  Well, that's right. In fact, let us recognize that there is a need for such kind of campaigns and of tutorials. Well, there is much about documentations in the Weeky Media world. There is documentation about editing Wikipedia, about how to make a Meetup, about how to make a conference. There are thousands of papers. And people in Africa, particularly, cannot have the time to read all this because maybe they are just activists who are working on the ground. And they have to, because they do not have specialized people involved in their movement, they have to read all this documentation to make new things in their community. So this is huge. And when I was in the program committee of Weeky and Daba for two years in 2018 and 2019, we found this. We found that most of the people that were interested in participating in Weeky and Daba, the African conference of the Weeky Media community, have interest in learning how to do things, how to set an affiliate, how to have a user group, how they can organize a conference like Weeky and Daba. And we got stuck with that. Well, the idea of video tutorial online is a very excellent idea because, first, it can be recorded online, you can follow it. It can simply explain things because you have an eye contact with the speaker. You can see what he thinks. You can learn from him through interactions, from Q&A, et cetera, et cetera. So well, the problem is that you do have to see three main factors and ensure to apply them. The first is time, the second is commitment, and the third is audience. And believe me, these three ingredients are very difficult to apply because you have to search a time when all the target audience can be free, for example, Saturday afternoon. And when you are in Saturday afternoon, you have to see that you have not to get in conflict with another session about the same topic. Second, you have to have a team that has the soft keys, but that can be kind of integrated in the project on a daily basis, on a monthly basis, after years, and not just give up after a few months or a few years. And this is very difficult because not all the people have time every month, in every time, in the same time, in the same moment. And that's a huge thing to consider. The third and last thing is the audience. You have to attract the audience. If you do not attract the audience, this will be a huge failure. This will not be successful. I think what Wikiafrica Hour has succeeded to do is to attract the audience, to see what the audience would like to see or to learn. And it reacts based on that. And this is a huge advantage of Wikiafrica Hour, I think. Thank you. Thank you so much, Ms. Medin. I can relate to what you're saying, because you are experienced from what the Tunisia counterparts are actually doing. And we would actually consider these points. Though first people would be interested in different topics and as such, it could affect the number of participants who show up every point in time. But these are your advice and contributions are well noted, and we would go ahead to implement them. Thank you so much, Ms. Medin. I appreciate it. Moving over to Isaac Olatunde. Isaac is the coordinator for Wikipedia Page's Wanting Photos campaign. And he's doing with us from the start. He knows how we started all this. And Isaac, I know you have some comments. And the Wikipedia Page is the one that is running currently and is ending in August. So Isaac, please, why you give us your comments on the effects and contribution of the Wikiafrica Hour episode. If you have any updates for the Wikipedia, please, go ahead and share with us. Thank you very much, text loss, first for organizing this talk here. I'm really very much happy to be here. And I want to thank you for the invite, because this is a very huge privilege for me to speak on this panel. But I must say that currently the only constant office hour we have in Africa is the Wikiafrica Office Hour. And I must say that this has really been very helpful, because it has really given several members of the Wikipedia communities in Africa to get a deeper understanding of the Wikipedia movement and also provide opportunities for the African communities to learn, especially the new people who are just joining us to learn about the community and of course, auto art projects within the movement. So it's really a very big thing that has happened to us in Africa. Because one of the things that we've not really been doing correctly in Africa, it's having a gathering that we unite everybody to get aside the general Wikian dabble that only happens annually. But with the Wikiafrica Office Hour, it gives another platform to network and of course, share ideas and also share our knowledge with people and also provide insights to how we can promote Wikipedia project in Africa. I'm really honored to say that the organizers of this Wikiafrica Office Hour are strong supporters of the Wikipedia pages wanting for this campaign. And that has actually helped the campaign in Africa. Because of the support we enjoy from the Wikiafrica team, the Wikipedia pages wanting for that has really gained a very huge popularity in Africa in terms of getting more people on board to participate in the campaign. So just to give you a brief idea, for those who might not know, the Wikipedia pages wanting photos is a campaign that primarily focus on the use of photos collected from various advocacy programs and the photographic context on Wikipedia articles. So we started in 2020, last year, during the pandemic. And we're really happy that it was a very huge success that year, as we have many people organizing the campaign locally. That year we have about 36 Wikimedia athletes around the world organizing that campaign. But this year, it's very huge. And this year, we had more than 50 hits Wikimedia communities in the world organizing this campaign in more than 50 countries in the world. That's a huge number of organizers. So it's something that we really find very exciting. And I'm really honored to say that, as I speak, Wikimedians across the world have started photos of more than 200,000 Holocausts in Hova, Turin, and Haiti languages. That's a huge amount of traffic, which means a huge amount of knowledge is being shared across multiple language Wikipedia. And of course, we're enjoying that support going to the support we enjoy for the Wikilev Africa team and also the Wikimedia Africa team as well. So medially, I think this is a good thing that has happened to us in Africa. And as a matter of fact, I would encourage everybody to find a way to support this initiative so that it continues. And we can have a lot of benefits in terms of teaching us basic things that we need to know about the movement and also sharing ideas about current projects and all the things that we need to learn that we help us to grow in Africa. Because Africa is a community that is underrepresented in terms of content and contributors. And if we have a more organized meetings like the Wikimedia Africa office hour, I believe we'll never remain the same. So thank you very much for organizing this sex loss and the team Florence and Ilya. This is something we really appreciate. And we want to tell you that we are fully in support of this. And if there are any things we need to do to keep this running, please feel free to let us know. We'll be glad to help. Thank you. Thank you so much, Isaac. And guys, I must mention, these people you see here are people I have been following their footprints. If I would say their wiki footprints over time. Someone like Isaac always has a way of putting things in perspective. While I'm here thinking I'm just into the broadcast thing, Isaac has baptized it to be an office hour. And now I really can sit back and look at it and be like, wow, that's what it really is. And for Guzmending, I have actually studied what they do in the Wikimedia Tunisia is our group. I know they have, let me call it, office hour like Isaac just said, similar in French for francophones. And I must say it was somewhere that I sort of derived inspiration before we hit the ground on this. And Joe Free himself has also been a force to reckon with in East Africa. The minute he mentioned East Africa, first person that comes to mind, Joe Free and the likes of Anthony and Winnie, who is always in our mailing list, giving us updates about Wikimedia and all that. Wasting himself is also a strong person to reckon with in the Igbo Wikimedia user group. And he's been contributing to English Wikipedia as well. It's more like trying to jog a boat when most of us are just streamlined into one particular stream. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for making these beautiful comments and highlighting where we need improvement who's made in in a special way. I really thank you for giving us those three points to look out for and work on why we're trying to build up the Wiki Africa Hour initiative. And Isaac, maybe now that you've brought my attention to this thing being an office hour, who actually will actually be taking a nose dive into, I mean, packaging it in that direction too, to make sure it's bringing out and how do I say, growing in impact. Thank you so much, guys. And thank you the Wikimedia organizing team. Thank you the tech guys at the backstage who are helping us to have these or some virtual experience. Thank you. And I wish to use this opportunity to let you know that our next Wiki Africa Hour will be featuring the winners of Wiki Loves Africa, the photographic contest whose winners were announced yesterday. And they are interesting guys, trust me. If in case you missed the shots, we'll be bringing you an up close and personal interaction with them on the next Wiki Africa Hour. Please remember to subscribe to our Wiki Africa YouTube channel in order to keep tabs on both past and upcoming episodes of the Wiki Africa Hour in that way, you won't miss anything. And in case, like I said, you have suggestions on topics, guests and things we should discuss, feel free to go to our Wiki Africa Hour meta page and put it in the newsroom, the upper section of the newsroom is for suggestions. You can suggest the guests, if you can't reach the person, just put the person's name and we would work on getting the person to come on the episode. Thank you so much everybody who participated in this session. Thank you all the attendees and see you in the next Wiki Africa Hour. Thank you, bye.


Hello people, I'm Dewu. Now I thank you in my native dialect, Igbo. I'm Bo Jennifer Nicholas, and you're welcome to your favorite prime time television show, Waze. It's our season break special as we round off the year and mark our four years anniversary. I want to highlight why I love Waze and the impact it has had on me personally and on my journey onto television by answering 10 personal questions about Waze as it fits into my life. The show delves into societal issues that impact us collectively, providing pertinent insights on topics such as finance, health, politics, the economy and business, offering a diverse array of perspectives. My mission is to continually learn and evolve, pushing the limits of my capabilities and striving to reach my utmost potential. Waze enables me to make a meaningful impact in the lives of others and contribute positively to society. So one of my favorite moments on Waze or favorite show on Waze is when we talked about suicide prevention and this was about warning signs for individuals in crisis. I am the account success lead at an insurance technology company, serving as a liaison between my customer and my company. I work to maximize the value customers derived from our products or services, driving customer loyalty and long-term relationships. I work functionally with internal teams to address customer concerns, manage account renewals and identify opportunities for upselling or cross-selling. Ultimately, I focus on fostering a positive customer experience and achieving mutual success for both the customer and the company. I love learning every day. I love processes and improving on them. I love building relationships, making an impact in businesses. I love problem-solving and being a customer advocate, which I think is the key important thing. I am proud of myself and how far I have come. My tenacity and ability to push myself and never give up. I'm proud of my continuous learning, personal growth, support for others, accomplishment of my goals, despite the challenges that I've faced so far in life and also making a positive impact whenever opportunities arise. It's kind of not fulfilling my purpose and missing out on who God has called me to be. Personally, for me, I want to exceed my expectations. So for me, some of the challenges that I have been able to overcome. So for my professional challenge, for me, it's taking on new responsibilities at my job and opening myself up to new opportunities and direction because sometimes it can be very scary. But to be honest, I'm willing to go through the process and see through to the end. This is a very interesting question. If I was to be a president, my number one priority basically would be to curb corruption. I mean, I do not like corruption. But the first thing would be to address the root causes of corruption by holding people accountable for their actions and also enhance the legal system to ensure the dispensation of fair and just outcomes. Implementing more stringent penalties for corrupt offenses, promoting the culture of integrity. These entails fostering public awareness about the detrimental effects of corruption and also encouraging citizens to actively participate in the fight against it because that's the only way we can cope and we can only do it together. Media plays a pivotal role in national transformation by serving as a powerful catalyst for public awareness, shaping opinions and influencing societal narratives. Now through its capacity to disseminate information, media has become a crucial tool in fostering transparency, political accountability and civic engagement. Now by providing a platform for diverse voices and perspective, media contributes to a more informed and empowered citizenry, laying the foundation for positive societal or for positive social change and national development. How do I unwind? I do the music things. I watch movies, I walk out, I love going to the gym, I try to find enough time to spend with my friends and family, I love playing games and sports, so anything that would challenge my mind or put me in like a creative space, I love to do that in my leisure time. My favorite show this year, that will be Suicide Prevention and on that show we talked about warning signs for individuals in crisis, where we discussed with Kemi Agbe a mental support group lead on how to support signs for individuals who are in crisis and those who need help. We talked about how to support and help them and the steps that we need to take. In case you can't remember, watch this. I'll see you soon. I'm staying with us now. Nigeria has one of the highest rates in Africa of suicide. According to a World Health Organization, the suicide rate in Nigeria is 6.1 per 100 people, which is higher than the global average of 9.4 per 100,000 people. So 100,000 people. There are a number of factors that contribute to high suicide rates in Nigeria, including mental illness, poverty, substance abuse and cultural factors. Suicide is a serious issue that affects people of all ages and all backgrounds. It's important to be aware of the warning signs for individuals in crisis so that you can help them get the help they need. In the spirit of, of course, world mental health data we discussed yesterday, today we're discussing suicide prevention and we are asking what are the warning signs for individuals in crisis? Just paying attention now. Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to the right one. 830-384-663. I want to bring in our guests in a minute. I just want to hear your thoughts, you know, how you pay attention to people. I remember talking yesterday with Jennifer and Dami. No, sorry, we're talking Mary and Dami. And I was saying to them, for me, I think sometimes you need to really just observe people. If you see someone that's been in high spirit and all of the sudden, the person is just calm, I should give you a point that something is going wrong. Like, I know that, you know, especially again with the way the economy is going and the way things are going, people would actually just be falling in and out of depression, even without them knowing. So the key thing is to pay attention because if you look at the number of people now just giving up and saying they want to kill themselves, it's just getting higher and higher. I don't know if you guys saw the video I shared. I think I shared it on the group, the guy in the UK on the bridge where these guys were videoing. They were literally videoing him and driving and thinking he was not going to jump. The next thing, I mean, he had a very lovely car, he parked the car, I even made a joke that Tina loved the makeup artist said, as she would think about her car, who would drive him back home and she would not commit suicide. But some people are not able to see beyond the pain or whatever it is that they're going through. So the guy actually jumped. I mean, there's so many videos. We've seen video of one guy, I think, by this, on this like a queer straightway, where it was, he tied a rope to his neck and they had to, you know. So I mean, like literally, and I was saying to Mary and Dami yesterday, I said, before somebody gets to that particular stage, there have been several stages. I just think it's also not paying attention to the signs. I don't know. Do you guys have any quick word on that? I do agree with you. It's also not paying attention because everybody's in their own world. Everyone has become selfish. Everyone is picking up themselves. So no one cares about you. No, I don't blame them, but guess what? That's what we were talking about earlier. It still goes to that mindset and humanity. No matter how bad you things get for you, I'm not saying that you do not have that tendency, but it's also very important. One of the very most important things is the kind of people you surround yourselves with.  And that, are you okay? It's not, are you okay? It's, are you okay? And then depending on how, and I'm waiting to read the response from you, because there are behaviors. Like if you have someone who is always lively and all of the sudden the person goes like, below 50%, there are certain behaviors that we have to contemplate. So I agree with Angie and also agree with you, but I also know that sometimes the signs are not very glaring, right? Because you have people who are always in high spirit, right? And even when they are going through something, that high spirit is what they use to mask what they are going through, right? So one minute you're seeing them, they're all vibed off, they're laughing with everyone, they're cracking jokes everywhere they go, but then they are suffering on the inside, right?  Because they feel like if they look sad or they look down, it would affect everyone around them. So they're always looking out for the feelings of other people. I'm not paying attention to themselves. Let me bring it out, yes. I'm sure she's itching to join the conversation. Ken Mishakwe is a multi potentialite, right? That's the word. With a commitment to helping broken people from healing at the intersection of her interests. Now she leads the team or at room 707, a support group for people finding comfort, grief, depression, addiction, and abuse. She started her career in 2021 and the group has since coached more than 300 people who have passed through the therapy program while at the same time driving their cat, driving their catching them young project targeted at secondary school students. So she's equipped with a pharmacy degree and MBA from a global business school. She's currently the global head of special project at M-Pharma, a pioneering health tech company spanning Africa. And she's joined us live in studio. I apologize if I murdered some things there, but fine prints is not okay for me this night. I need to wear my glasses. But thank you so much.  The last time we were on set, I watched from home. I thought that was a very deep conversation, right? And I think he's just gonna pick up from where you stopped. That's what I would say. I mean, yesterday was World Mental Health Day. And I mean, hearing Jennifer talk about, people in high spirits and all of that and what India talked about. Everybody, I believe that, I said it that Nigeria is stressful. Nigeria is stressful. Literally, you really must be very, very extremely conscious, right? You must be very conscious and pay very keen interest in your mental state in Nigeria. Because as it stands now with everything that is going around, it stresses you. Then you now come to Lagos, it's worse, right?  I saw a video that somebody posted on Road Rage. Literally, these two guys bastardized their cars. Benga and Inka posted it. If you've not seen that video in this one, you can see that they've damaged their entire truck. And the truck now finally, this thing can only be that these guys are not okay. Because I don't know why we get to that point where I start to do these bus boats on the road. It's not possible. You can't find me there. But that's where we are. So we have a lot of people that are going through some of this crisis and some have not been able to express it. The only way they think is best for them to express this crisis that they are going through is suicide. So how do we start to pay attention? What are the things that we're supposed to be doing?  How would we get to that point where somebody would say, you know what, I think I'm done.  So where do we start from? You know, when Jennifer was speaking and she said, you know, it's so difficult to find out for some people because they are in ice pit and all that. That's actually a trigger. That's a sign, brother. That's a warning sign. I once engaged a girl that I used to admire from afar because she was ice-pirated, always smiling and I'm like, and then one day she sent me a message and said, I am KSC, I need to talk to you. I said, hey, so I go, hey. And then like, I really need to talk to you.  So I understood, I had to, but I was so shocked that this girl, I used to feel like I'm not even as happy as this girl. You know, so truly it's emotions that are extreme emotions. Or when you show a lot of, you know, it's even a sign. What are is ice-pirated? So if you have someone around you that is always ice-pirated, you know, that's a sign. You actually want to get it, you'll be close to them, right? It's actually a sign, right? So how do we, what's the question again? Yes, how do we start to, where do we start from? When do we start from? In identifying it. So suicide prevention is, has to be a comprehensive approach. And out-standard or WHO standard, there are at least nine principles that has to be a play. Today's topic is addressing just one of them, which is to identify and assist, you know, the individuals that are in crisis. Societal crisis is basically an intense or severe, very severe psychological pain that you believe would not go away, right? I mean, I've felt this pain before, so I understand.  Now that I'm into coaching, then I see that, oh, that was really red signals, you know. I would be going past the bridge and I just feel like, you know, we're just jumping inside. That's it, child.  People don't care. So you see, when it comes to, when people feel that way, it doesn't matter what got them to that point. You have to validate, you know, I've spoken with a young girl that had attempted suicide and by the time I got into the story, she told me last year, I said, where did he start from? She lost her phone. She lost her phone and it had all her money, you know, she just, and then he's like, are you kidding me? You know, so, but when they get to that point, it doesn't matter what led them to that point. You have to validate that feeling. And psychological pain can be so traumatic. It can be so traumatic that you feel it as a physical pain. You know, when I lost my mom in 2018, I felt pain at that level. I used to think that I had a very high pain threshold. I had, I have three kids. Labor pain was like, I'll be smiling in the, you know. But when I lost my mom, I felt a different kind of pain. It was psychological. Yet I felt as though I had a heavy stone on my chest. And I literally heard a spirit saying, you know, we'll just take a knife. Every other part of your body is okay, you're fine. You're not, you don't have malaria, you don't have anything. Why don't you just take a knife and remove that heavy stone? It was there. I couldn't sleep or eat for three days. And it was heavy, it was there. I feel like every other part of my body is good. Let me just take that thing out. Of course, you know what started after another. But that's how deep psychological pain can be. So, societal crisis just happens when you're going through that intense emotional pain. It's almost physical in nature. People don't understand, because how do you tell, we're explaining you, can't even say, there's a chest, imagine I'm telling someone beside me. There's something, we can't see anything on your chest, excuse me. But I was feeling it, you know. So really, warning signs for suicide prevention. You know, there are at least two types. There are those that are immediate risk. And those that are just having acute crisis. So they're just severe risk, immediate risk. When somebody starts telling you about being fantasized about the idea of dying, or that, oh, I tell Google how to die, you know. And these things are on Google. These things are on Google, right? So, there's a clinic in, is it China now, or where now that you go and actually, is it, where?  Yes, you go and actually for suicide now. It's a guided university, continuous. Exactly. So, you know, when it starts saying, speaking about fantasizing about the idea of dying, maybe the debt is not supposed to be beautiful.  Number two, when they start telling you about, they feel like they're abhorring to others. Nobody cares about me. And you just sense that they are risk of their lives or something, that's another immediate risk. Now for severe risk or acute cases, then you hear things like, they start withdrawing from family or friends, or they start giving out things. They start giving out price possessions. You have to be very cautious. Or they start being nice to everybody. I just want you to know that I care about you and they're sending you to your family and friends. That's a red sting now, you know? Or anxiety, or somebody that has prior indication of depression, you know, those guys are severe risk. Now they are another class of people that they've actually attempted. I've met people that they've attempted suicide up to six times. I really, when you listen to their stories, in your, for me personally, I feel like, this problem is much, is enough to us, like, maybe it's okay. You know, so people's life can really, really, really, really be tough, right? So those guys that have attempted suicide before, Yeah, those ones are also, yeah. Immediate risk. This person is, so there's no chance that any slight trigger they can try again. Any slight trigger. So, like, on my group, I've had people send me their last notes with tears.  So the last notes with the tears, send it via IG, and then I said, oh, I have to start engaging the person, right? I mean, we're going to get to that, and we'll talk, like, how do you respond to it?  Oh, right now, I have iPod beside me, and I'm just going to drink it, blah, blah, blah. Oh, have you tried thinking about another method? I mean, just to keep them engaged.  I try to prioritize the other attempts at suicide before. That's what I start from. If someone says, yeah, then that's a serious risk. You know, and then, yeah, about, yeah. Wow. Let's take a breather. We'll be back. Stay with us. All right, thanks for staying with us. Now, if you're just standing, we're having a very sober conversation. Of course, we're dealing with issues around suicide prevention, and you get, I mean, how to identify the warning signs, and we have KSA with us. I don't know whether you're never getting it. NJ, you had a question. Well, so I know you said, you mentioned after Jennifer's comment saying that, you know, people who are high energy. So in my mind, I was like, okay, so I'm high energy, sometimes. And I understand perfectly well how it can go unnoticed because I've been through a lot of things. I've had cases of depression also. And it's, it can be, I understand how people can get to that point where you make certain decisions, whether in the negative or hopefully, we always praise in the positive. But in that time, how is it that, how does your mind get so blocked? I don't really understand what I'm about to add. How does your mind get so blocked that a heavy stone on your chest can relate or can translate to you taking a knife to try and remove it? How does a person get to that point? Because it happens, we see it every day, we watch it in movies and it just seems like a movie. You hear about it and it just seems like a movie. But how do you get to that point? So for me, I mean, I had one of the greatest shock of my life, which was that my mom had passed and I saw her, it hasn't been four hours before that time. And she was high spirit, she was good. So it was crazy. At that point, I was dealing with grief and I shot down everything else. So stopped eating, sleeping, three straight days, right? So of course I wasn't, I was across the borderline where thinking normally is concerned, right? So really we underestimate the power of our mind and of our body. And many times we do not even know ourselves as much as we think we do. When you say that I can never find myself in a pet school, you've never actually, if you are put on that, the condition, you are not sure of exactly what you're going to display, right? So that's it, nothing prepares you for shock, especially a high impact shock, nothing prepares you for it. And in that moment, you are not sure of how, I mean, I lost my dad in 2020, last year. And it was a different bogey, right? It was different, it was different. It's like, I hit a ceiling with my mom's death that I am so sure that I can not allow anything else gets me to that point again, right? So I'd come to study and understand my body a bit more and my mind and how it works and how it handles me. And so I prepared my mind. And not only that, every other emotional or psychological thing that has impacted me. So it depends on what state of life you are. It depends on the condition. It depends on the trigger, right? But more importantly, out of all of that is for us to keep learning about ourselves, learning and we're learning about ourselves. What kind of things get you angry and get you upset because you don't just hit the ceiling, right? You don't just hit the ceiling. I told you about somebody that lost her phone and is thinking suicide. She's not any better. Our trigger is not any better than somebody that lost her. I mean, both of them are considering suicide. In fact, in our case, she had attempted suicide. I'd engaged a young girl 23 year old and said to me, oh, she had attempted suicide three times. A sister reached out to me, then I engaged her. And then she says she's not making progress in life. And I said, why? So our friends are doing well. How did she know on Instagram? She sees their posts and everything. So that's another story, the impact of social media. But look at how weak our mental strength is, right? To consider suicide based off that. So it's us being intentional. I feel like people don't invest in themselves long enough. They don't prepare themselves. Life, we need to accept the fact that life is tough. Life is going to be tough.  How you handle it from the beginning is going to prepare you for whatever. The bigger things that will come. The bigger things that will come. So when you get angry, when you get sad, what kind of... So you process your emotions at every point in time. You get back from work. How do you respond to it? And then you just keep learning and unlearning yourself. So let me just add this, right? Based off of what NJ asked. I know there was a time where I went through a lot someone and I never felt that kind of pain before. So it was like, I actually wanted to remove my heart. That's the same feeling. I've had people talk about that feeling. And I'm like, yeah, I've never felt that feeling, right? A lot of people probably went through that when they were younger, but I went through that when, like 2020. So it was a lot. And I think there was a day that I was thinking and I just told myself, God, I just want to sleep. I'm not wake up for the next two years. Now the thing is, I didn't think of often myself and saying, oh, I just want to go permanently. I think in that moment, I just wanted that rest. When I didn't have to feel that pain. And I'd had people say, oh, sometimes it takes time. It could take a year. It could take two years. And I was like, you know what? If there's a drug that I could take. To sleep for two years. That would let me sleep for two years. And then when I wake up, that pain is gone. Then I'll take. Actually, if someone had given it to me in that moment of pain, I would have taken it. But then another thing that I kept telling myself is this is just one of those things that I hope I would have to go through in life and it would just, you know, toughen me up. But that aside, one thing that I've noticed is I feel like sometimes people pick up bad behavior and bad things off the internet, right? When people watch movies, teenagers especially, watch movies and then they see how people are committing suicide over minor things, right? They get very influenced that when minor things happen to them, it's like, oh, this is such a huge thing. And I get it because as a teenager, the things that we see as adults, that we see them as minor to them is not minor. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big thing.  They're very popular. Everybody loves them. I don't really have friends like that. In that moment, you feel like, oh, the world is against me. And sometimes as a teenager, you forget that you have family back at home that love you. But because you have the external factor that is not giving you what other people are receiving, it just feels like, you know what, the entire world is against me. I can't see what my own family is doing. I can't even see the love the next person is giving to me. And that's one of the things that I see these days. I might be wrong, but I just feel like as adults and as parents, when we are teenagers, we need to empower them more and let them know that see these things that you see online, right? They are not that important. People just come up to put this facade and just make it look glamorous. And all these movies that you watch, you shouldn't take it too literal, right? Don't just take it and think, oh, that's how your life is. Life is gonna be tough. Life is going to be tough. And there are things and steps that you need to take to be able to ride through it. And also need to let people know that even as adults and as you grow older, there's two challenges in France. You just need to overcome one. Once you overcome one challenge or one hurdle, you're strengthened, right? Because when you get to the next hurdle, you're easy to also overcome the next one. When the hurdle you overcome, two years or three years ago comes, it looks like peanuts to you. But I don't know, have you had teenagers that you've spoken to or young adults who you feel like the thoughts of suicide, right? Was probably influenced by something they had seen or something they had cared. It's probably not an innate desire of theirs, but it just feels like, oh, maybe that's the easy way out. Some of them are just stoing with the idea, but it's not like that's what they really want to do. Because it seems like, oh, that's a popular thing. People are doing these days, but why not? Let me just quickly add to the question. Because I remember there is a video game at some point. I don't know if you can back it up for me. But we're actually leading young people. So how much of that influence? It's really bad. And thank you for that question, by the way, because I'm looking forward to ways or platforms in which we could or I could create awareness to parents as to how weak the minds of the children are raised in these days are. And that journey does not start when the child is a teenager. The journey starts from way back and it goes into what's intentional, parenting, right? Where you are not completely relaxed or you have confidence in the kind of school you send your children to because it's an expensive school or because you have a nanny, you have a chef, you have people at home and you leave their upbringing to these people. So that's what the pattern that we're seeing. So even at the level we're going into secondary school I'm already meeting young people, not even teenagers, really young people, already slitting their wrists, slitting their laps and they are showing me these cards and their parents have no idea because they always keep it covered. The school uniform is covered, covers their skin. So you see that and when you engage them at that level some of these people don't even have access to the internet. Right? But it still comes down to how somehow the media or whatever they have access to has made it feel like popular thing. You know how someone just tweets and depressed? It's almost like a girl came to me once and said, I have seasonal depression. I said, do you know what it means? She doesn't even know what it means. I have seasonal depression. So you tag yourself and when people post it and they see that it's one of the celebrities or stars like, oh today I'm just having, I'm depressed. And then it's also like, oh it's almost like pop culture. It's a cool thing. But that's where it starts from and then you keep building on it, building on it.   No resilience at all. And it feels like you are not the only one fit in this way. So it's okay to let go. You know, it's interesting. This conversation, I know that a lot of people feel the need to want to always tag everything to my mental health and my mental health. And I think that's why we really need to draw the line on some of these things. But let's take some comments. I think we have some comments. But there's something you guys did. I think it's project care first. You wanna quickly touch on that? Oh, okay. Yeah, so I actually on a board, or blue room care. So blue room care is the one doing project care first. So I just sponsored in celebration of mental health day yesterday. So just sponsored how far there are therapy at 50% discounts. So that's currently on, right? So I mean, if anybody's interested, you can go on their Instagram page at Blue Room Care. It's a mental health organization. So you get therapy for as low as 2,000 error. Awesome. You know why I told you to talk about this? Because yesterday when we had the conversation, Dami was saying that a lot of people, even if they want to go and seek professional help, is very expensive. Imagine somebody telling you that per session is 100,000 and you have to do maybe 10 sessions or 150 sessions. That's 1.5 million. Who is gonna be able to afford that? Some of these people, they really don't have access to those financing. Right, so I like the idea that it's coming very, very, next to nothing as far as I'm concerned. Oh, exactly. For people to be able to get help. So the reason she's saying, oh, I made you mention this is, there's anybody watching and you know someone that is really going through a very tough period, please.   But let's quickly take some comments, then we'll just quickly wrap up the conversation. So I have a comment. The way we can prevent suicide is by sharing our challenges with the right person who can give better hope and reason to overcome it. And again, whatever background you come from, always hope for progress. Don't involve yourself in negative or bad act that will affect you mentally. So I have a comment here that says, good evening my dear viewers for sisters and what are you saying? Hashtag grace, you know what this is? Yeah. I really don't understand why people think of getting themselves involved in suicide. Trust me, suicide is not a solution to one's problem. It only adds to it. The most annoying thing is that people plan to commit suicide over a minor thing according to my dear beautiful sister, Jennifer. Suicide can be prevented if the person involved knows and accepts that it is wrong and demands for counseling and therapy. The thought of suicide should not exist at all because it is dangerous and deadly. Nice to have my dear beautiful sisters, Jennifer and Wajaka back. I miss you all. My name is Daniel in a ways regular fun. Hi Daniel. Hi Daniel. So I mean, if you had one final thing to say to anyone watching, the pressure is real. I mean, these pressures will not go away, you know. And like you rightly said, a lot of us are being, we're raising children that are not very, very strong emotionally. And I think we need to be able to strike that balance and create some level of resilience in the life of the child. But we're looking at science now, but we didn't even touch on, when you didn't find the science, what do you do quickly?  You can do that in a minute or two. Okay. So that's if you have a family or friend that is- You may see some of the signs that you mentioned. Yeah. I mean, the first thing is to try to validate their pain, make them feel that you are concerned about them and you care about them and you're set to offer support to them. And you can take it a step further by telling them that you help them seek professional help. So I mean, I've had people that have reached out to us because a friend is paining for his friend, you know.   And then take off triggers around them, for example.  And those people, you shouldn't feel stigmatized, considering taking your children to seek professional help because, you know, based on our culture as well, people will bring in the religion to it and they want to start praying for the person.  And my final words will really be that there's something called the locus of control, right? And I say this quite a lot. And that is for each and every one of us, we have internal locus of control, you know, external locus of control. So the goal for everyone should be to live with a higher intensity of your internal locus of control. So they are living inside out as against outside in. But what you see many times is that many people, especially societal people, right, they're trying to pull the entire universe into themselves and becomes a very heavy weight, you know, you are happy today if work is good, external factors. You're happy because you are married, you're happy because you have two very external factors not coming from themselves. You'd be shocked that some people love other people more than they love themselves. They've never even imagined showing compassion to themselves. They say eight full things to themselves.  But they were not even used up for their friends. You know, so many people, a lot of the time, and I mean, I get to say celebrations, I've cancelled a few, right? You know, we live from the outside in and it can be a heavy burden. As against living from the inside out, you know, you understand your strength. Regardless, regardless, regardless. If they walk, I'm happy. If they don't walk, I'm happy. I just, you know, like, I think maybe because of the downtime I went through, you know, in the political, I'm saying it because, honestly speaking, there's nothing that will happen now that that will be the, it will take. Somebody says, good evening, please, how far with love in Nigeria that is sending people to jail for attempted suicide? Well, it's a law.  You'll be jailed. Yeah, it's a law. But we'll bring, we'll bring KSA back because me, I like the conversation. Instagram, they say, is the biggest platform of envy. Yeah, of course. The biggest platform of envy. So we need to understand, say, if you don't have the mind, the power, live there. Well, let's quickly, so thank you so much, KSA. I think we'll continue this conversation because it's not something we can just start and stop. It has to be something that we keep on reiterating and keep talking about it. As far as we are concerned, the conversation is beyond us just having the conversation. It's helping somebody out there. Thank you for staying with us. I hope you enjoyed watching and getting up close and personal with me, as much as I enjoyed sharing with you. Media is a powerful tool with the ability to shift the minds of the youth in a progressive trajectory and I'll continue to do my part through ways. Thank you for watching and supporting the brand. As we wind down for the year, please let's remember that we all need love. Love for self, love for family, love for neighbor, love for country, and for humanity. Daalu, aiga hukwa giechi kachifu. See you tomorrow at 8 p.m. and happy holidays.


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Today, we're gonna be here to see who can make the best Juice World album, fan-made album, of course. Whoever wins, y'all will be getting a prize. The prize is nothing, though. Like, literally the prize is nothing. So, yeah, it's still a prize, right? Nothing's a prize, right, chat?  What'd I do? A blowjob.  Google says your net worth is five mil. And Google also says I'm 24, but y'all keep saying I'm 40. So obviously, y'all don't believe everything, right? Let's get this started, chat. I'm gonna drag y'all one by one. I'm gonna let some of y'all explain y'all album. Some of them I'll be doing with no money. Let's get straight to it. Let's do it. The start. All right. I'm gonna be completely honest. Oh my God. Okay, okay, no, no. It's something bad. Like, I just... Okay, I... You know how, like, you get in class and then you didn't do the homework from last night and, like, you, like, do it really quick, right? Yeah, so I just crammed 23 tracks into a playlist. If your teacher says, hey, take out the homework from last night, I finna collect it. Would you say, oh, I didn't do it, but I'm doing it in the time it's taking you to collect it's homework. Would you tell them? Well, hold up. Listen, I completely finished it. So if you think about it, I still have it on time. Quite honestly, I don't see one miss on here. This is a banger, but murder rate is a very random add in this, like... Yeah, yeah, so I was explaining. Remember, I said that it was, like, kind of hype and then it starts flowing into a little more upbeat? One of these could be a stim that we don't even know it. So we gotta, we gotta, hey, we gotta check. This is gonna mean, this is gonna mean a lot. Let's see which version of off the rip you got us listening to on this album. Of course, I like this version. This version is tough, respectfully, but would I put this version with the live audio on an album that I know random people are gonna be listening to that don't listen to unreleased? You did an 8 out of 10, though. I know how yours was very, very good, though. Who thinks that they have a fan made album? That's a 10 chat. Look at the name. I changed the name. Legacy of legend. No, I didn't even think about, no, hey, okay, okay, no, he, he's tough for that. I didn't even think about titles. I like that. Okay, okay, bet. He got Curious, Stumbling, Young God. Okay, so why is Stumbling number two? That's such like a random, like, switch change of place. I'm not going to lie. I didn't even think about policemen. I threw this together to them. Like, I don't want to. Bro. I didn't think of placement. Am I tripping chat or is Stumbling very missed out of place tier? Am I tripping? Perky got me stumbling. Flipping them racks, yeah. Jesse, why are you stumbling? I'm trying to get to the cake. I need to creep with a pull.  I need to creep with a leg. These niggas ain't real. I know they fake. Better watch your step. Better stay in your place. He asked me if I'm hot. Bitch, I'm blessed.  She possessed.  No more injuries, sharp like machetes. I just want the naked. Bitch, who is you? Me and Bogue game. Blast off, best through. Hear me out. Imagine you just listened to that and then you go down a little bit and this is your next song. They're both good songs, but why? I wouldn't put them on the same album unless it like slowly quarry of grapes down or slowly chills down. You know what I'm saying? If you're making a hype album, because he's making a hype album and you have 10 choices, are you choosing Oh Dear? Yes or no? Give me your opinion. I'm going to give you a 7.5. Which one of y'all know Mike's want to go? Who? Which know Mike? Okay, off rip. I don't know how I feel about this album cover. I don't know, man. Got Allie on that mud. You might automatically get a 3. Yeah. No, no, no. But that's a good, no, that's a good start. I like that start. Okay, okay. So I see the direction he's going. He going in a slightly different direction. I like the direction. W start. W addictive start. Okay, so it's a love album. It's a love album. Chat, should I let him get away with the Allie cover just because it's a love album? Bruce said no. Some of y'all say no. Not fully. Okay, we're going to take away his mini point. But let's see what we got, chat. Okay, so we got Starstruck W, AI remaster. Full of it today, boy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, what is, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. See, look, it was all up the side. He was trying to trick us. No, no, what, what you got going? JHS, what you got going on right now, my niggas? Bro, chat. Animal is not, I hope y'all not seeing animal is a miss. No way y'all saying animal is a miss. They're not saying that right. Oh, y'all saying y'all want to listen to it? Y'all saying y'all want to listen to it? Animal is a miss. No, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, chill. Chill, bro, chill.  I growl. I need it right now. This ain't a song. It's me thinking out loud. Like, what? That's not a miss, dude. Y'all got to chill. Hey, chat. Hey, chat, y'all got to chill out. That's not a miss. No, that is not a miss. I don't think there's one miss on here other than that first song. That's pretty good. I'm thinking a nine. Why a seven? Please explain. Bro said because the songs are mid. What? Bro, how are the songs mid? I don't think the songs are mid. I think he chose a really good song. Name three love songs that he could have added on here that would have made this hell of better. I don't think he really missed that much, for real. Adore You is fair. He could add Adore You. Adore You. I'm real. Confide and confide it. He really ain't missed. I don't confide that much. Starfire. Damn. Okay, Starfire. Okay, Starfire and Adore You. Yeah, that's two. But that's it. Cursed. I'm going to be real. Ugh. I'm going to be driving. Man, I kind of got that good, but I don't think I'm going to be on time. Damn. Damn. I'm going to give it an 8.5. Because y'all made some valid points. All right. Mine should already be in the chat. So you made your album based on what you think the party never ends should be? Play the start of Off the Rip. Why the start? Why? The party never ends. I just told Richie, be rich. Off the Rip. Off the Rip. Yeah. Oh, you're smart. Oh, he's smart. You're smart. That was smart. I like that. That was W. That was W. That was W. That's a place, but. That was W. I like the thought of starting hype and then starting to mellow out, but then you got random hype songs within the mellow. So why split my brains? Split my brains. Jeffrey and start gazing. Please, please explain. Oh, that fits. Probably could have gone up, but like. Yeah, that's a very random placement, sir. That's what I was saying. That's very, everything else you say kind of makes sense. That's the only, it's the only one that's maybe a little out of place. I would give him a nine, Chad. I'll take that nine. Yeah, I would give it a nine. I think you did really good. You did really good, bro. All right. So let me, let me explain a little bit, right? Hold on. Hold on. Pause, pause, bro. Why is your album name, This is for Daddy Biscuit? What is, what? Kid, it was just, it was just so, because I have a lot of playlists on SoundClouds.  And it's like more chill. And then the bottom three, I know they look out of place. That's the deluxe version. Right? You don't want to see a Cardi feature, right? Hold on, hold on, hold on.  Be real. Be honest. Did you already make this?  Let me say that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I promise, I promise. Why wouldn't you just choose Crash Out? That's what I'm thinking. I would have potentially gave you a nine. But what? The album name is Biscuit is Daddy. Okay, no, that's not the name of the album.  I literally know when we do, when we do Kahoot, I'm the person that put biscuits pussy, by the way. That's me. That's my thing. That's my thing. I always call you daddy in chat, bro. Oh, yeah. So you're getting a five. Why, why did you? Oh, all right, all right, all right. He's out of here. All right, who we got next chat? Let's see. Let's see what we got next, boys. All right. So we got meadows, drugs are my friends.   No, this, the ordering of this is random AF. Bro made this less than an hour ago. That explains, that explains a lot. Oh, melodic memories. So it's called melodic memories. Okay. That's a tough, that's a tough name. I like the name. As for the songs you chose. I mean, you didn't choose bad songs.  This order is giving me autism. Holy, oh my God. This order is, but I said negative kid. Die to live. You put this in here. Bro, it's not a bad song. But since considering you only have like five hype songs in here. And that's one of the ones you chose. That's, that's kind of, I don't, okay.  You might get a, the order is bad. The picture you, bro, what is this picture? Dude, the album cover. What am I looking at? No, bro.  You get a one. Chad, what, what is going on? Juice row monsters in my head. That can't be the album name. That can't be the album name. I gotta be, I gotta be tweaking, right? Yo, album name is L. So far. As for the cover art, could have been better cover art. But it's not horrible. It's not the worst choice, I guess. It's a love album. Okay. And 20, 24 songs. Okay. Quitter, okay.  I like, I like this. I like this. Biscuit? He has run on there? Hold on, bro. Chad, why y'all stitching on him first off? Wait, I didn't see, why do you have? Explain yourself. Imagine Juice Row drops the party and never ends.   No, bro, bro. What is new? Personally, Chad, I'm feeling a six. What y'all feeling? Let me, let me give y'all opinion two, Chad. I'm feeling a six. Let's set a zero. All right, nah. You're glazing. It's not a zero. Calm down. That's my opinion. You know, my opinion don't matter. I'm a nobody. So pretty much, it's like supposed to be hype. Yeah, that, it's not in any particular order. The only thing I don't like is the cover art. How many points did y'all think? Because I think the only mistake he did was the cover art. How many points should we take off for that? Other than that? Yeah, sir, you get a nine, my good man. So this one, blessed. Okay. The cover art, all right. I like that name. It's simple, straight to the point.  You starting with hype songs, bro. I'm thinking I'm gonna hear some like righteous type stuff. I feel like your album starts backwards, bro. You should have the chill songs in the beginning. All right, Victorious. I like this album. I don't see no, no bad song. No bad songs on the chat. What we listening to? Chat, one second. I want to check out this song real quick. And then I'm a judge. What y'all rating this album so far though, chat? I want to rate, I need to listen to this song. Bitty. I don't think you chose a bad song in here. The album cover is cool. The name is cool. 8.5. This is the best cover art. The best cover art we do personally. I actually love this one. And the name, the name it tells, I'm assuming that we gonna start off hype. Drake on me. That's a good start. That's a good start. Okay. And then Rental, Kate, Garface, Ha Ha, Young God. And then it mellows out. Okay.   Let's see. Let's see. Bro literally put that in the description.   Everybody's saying forward. No y'all are crazy. Oh man, that is my big hit. It's the placements chat. Like the placements of where he put this. Like why? See it started hype as hell with Drake on me. I can let you slide potentially with Rental and Kate. Scarface and then Ha Ha Ha. And then you got turned back up at Young God. I feel like the, you know what I'm saying? The order is kind of, yeah my good sir. I would give you an 8. I'll take it.  That's all. You know what I'm saying? Aqua. Yo I'm gonna put it in now. Yeah hi. I've got the script.  What is, what is? It says so let me start reading off the script. Okay so this, what your song is called, what is this? What's his title? Basically the title is the date and the time what he died. That's kind of hard. Low key. I am the chat bro. Y'all some haters. But out of the song maybe it's him coming to terms with him having broken up.  No the whole time you've been talking, I've really been trying to decipher the Britain. That's why I've put it out so you can read it along. So you can understand. Me? What is, what the? What do you guys say, do you guys say read? My brain is way too small for this. Give me y'all a opinion chat. I'm gonna let y'all, honestly I'm gonna let y'all vote for this one chat. I feel like I'm reading a book right now. Y'all like the effort chat? Okay. Nine nine nine out of ten. All right chat, chat. We're giving you a nine. We're giving you a nine for the lore and the story behind. My album is basically like a chill vibe. And then after that it starts to get a little bit more into the hype songs. How many songs you got? You got 25 songs and he hit the max. Courage or from afar? Okay yeah chill, chillin, chillin, chillin. Chillin, chillin. And then it starts a little chill. Okay. The tone, the tone shift is good. Off looks at the ten chat. Nine point eight. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?  I ain't got a lot to me personally. I'll give you a ten, bro. You did everything perfectly. Also, there was a feature. So it was evil twins and attachments.  You already got a ten, bro. You see, nine, bro. So, mental thought.   Yeah. And like she tasted me while I had it. While it's, wait, wait, wait. You know what, Chad? You gotta give him a ten for that lure.  Hey, title and thumbnail. You get a ten so far. This is probably Juice Worm Fed right here, Chad.  You got a AI Juice Worm song in here. On some worship, we gotta let him slide, even though that song asked. I don't want to be his 13th reason why on his note. Man, you get a ten, bro. You definitely gotta be Adam 22's son or something.   Forget a Juice Worm album. You need a therapist. I cannot help you. You know what's even worse? He had ribs in his neck. All right, you two, so that's the end. Let me know which album do y'all think was the best. I think we had, like, what, two 10s?    Like, I'm actually proud of y'all.  Like, if they was albums, they doing 100k first week. No cap. That's your boy, bitch, kid.