Live from Cambridge, Massachusetts, it's The Cube at the MIT Chief Data Officer and Information Quality Symposium with hosts Dave Vellante and Paul Gillan. Welcome back to Cambridge, Massachusetts everybody. This is Dave Vellante and Paul Gillan is on as co-host. We're here with Peter Anlien who is the co-chair of the MIT Information Quality Symposium. Peter, welcome back to The Cube. It's great to see you again. Thanks. Great to have you guys back. You did a great job last year and a lot of folks have viewed the content and we expect the same thing this year, so thank you. You're welcome. The conference is evolving and last year it struck a cord, a very strong cord around the Chief Data Officer and that seems to be the main theme this year. I wonder if you could talk about your role as co-chair and the program, the agenda that you guys put together and how it's evolved. Well we made a shift from last year and you're right. It used to be the Information Quality Symposium. Now it's the Chief Data Officer and Information Quality Symposium and how does that all fit together? Well you've got the emergence of this Chief Data Officer in our industry and there's a lot of talk about what exactly that means and it's going to be different in every organization because they're all different chemistry. But we're working on that. In fact, Rich Wang, Yang Li and Stu Madnik are conducting research. They're getting a baseline, conducting a baseline survey to find out if you're a Chief Data Officer, what does that mean in your organization? If your organization doesn't have one, is there a de facto one that just hasn't gained that title yet or are you nowhere near it? And I think that if you take that information and you wrap information quality around that because obviously they're related and then you place that in the context against this backdrop of big data, then you've got a very dynamic content that you can explore in a symposium like this. So that's where we're headed. And the program this year, like last year, included us, am I correct? They included a separate CDO? Former, was that merged into this one? No, it was actually separated out. We had that back in March and it was hosted by Lockheed Martin in Arlington, Virginia. So no cube there, very private? Oh yeah, no. In the vault. Yeah, you needed a password to get it. We open a little door. Okay, and then so talk about the two days, actually three days, right? So what's going on today and tomorrow and then Friday? Well, we had a great morning session with Debbie Nightingale and Jeannie Ross from MIT. And one thing we realized is when you have these resources, you have something that is unique. We have a platform that is different from any other conference or symposium anywhere. And that's the backdrop of MIT. So this year we decided to get the internal MIT experience incorporated into the symposium and I thought it was really strong. And we will do that next year and hopefully even more. The rest of the symposium is made up of many panels that were, in some cases, painstakingly put together. And they, I'd say there are about eight or nine titles that have big data in them. There are two or three that have CDO in them. And then there are many of the rest that get a little bit more into the weeds. But on the whole, we're taking a more of a balcony view of the industry than an in-the-weeds offering for the practitioners. So we're really appealing to leaders in the industry. Peter, this conference has its roots in an academic conference. It was originally primarily for colleges and universities and has taken on more of a commercial tone over time. How are you balancing those needs to maintain those academic roots but also appeal to more of a commercial user audience? Well, I think that there's this, of course, symbiotic relationship. If you look around the campus of MIT you've got names of many corporations on buildings, classrooms, et cetera. And that's, I think, the strength of what MIT has to offer. As an outsider, that's what I see. And for this to be just an academic conference, I think, is very narrowly focused. I think the beauty of it is that we do have academia. We've got industry. We've got research. And you break down the industry into different branches. We cover a lot of territory. The MIT information quality function has been sort of crusading for information quality for a long time now. I believe over 20 years. Do you see the state of information quality? I mean, are we making progress? Is information quality getting better? Or is it becoming a bigger problem now that the data sets are getting bigger? Well, I've got, I think, a couple answers to that. Number one, it's, you know, the old metaphor of trying to change a flat tire on an airplane while it's flying or a car while it's driving. That's what everybody's trying to do. And as we get more and more into the big data, it's harder to keep up with that. So I can't say that it's getting better, necessarily. When you look at the whole array of businesses to whom this matters, from your large corporations on down to your small businesses, I do believe that awareness is greatly heightened. And that the general corporate and private company population has a, that greater awareness of what information means and how important it is. So I think you're seeing more activity in businesses that weren't necessarily technology oriented. So when you think about this has been a topic for a long time, information, asset and liability management, you know, you got two sides of the coin from a, you know, the balance sheet analogy. And prior to the big data meme, at least I felt that a lot of the discussion when it related to governance and what has now emerged as the CDO role was sort of risk factors, data risk, the general council sort of driving the discussion and the CEO paying attention because he or she had to. I feel as though that's flipped and it's become more of an opportunity. In other words, you know, the bromide of course is data is the new source of competitive advantage, is the new oil. How much do you see that permeating organizations and how real is that bit flip? And how has that affected sort of what you guys are doing? Well, I don't think that people will get on the data quality bandwagon until they have to. Businesses that traditionally have not. I don't think until they see a competitive advantage that they're going to jump on board. Here at the symposium, we are at the higher end of that. We attract people who are well into those questions and trying to answer those and people who just woke up one day and somebody said, oh, we're missing out on a competitive advantage because we're not paying attention to these metrics. And you can get into it very easily with just some basic data. And as you know, from your work and from the presentations here, it can scale very quickly and into some very complex. Well, and we heard from Rick Watson this morning that you don't digitize your assets. Your bollards and your parking lot. Right. I'm thinking of all the things I can digitize. That was pretty insightful. We also heard from Gene Ross today that you may not really need big data. In fact, a lot of companies don't need big data. They should do better with the small data they've got or learn to crawl before you walk. Is that an issue that you think the big data phenomenon is causing, maybe causing companies to bite off more than they can chew? In some ways, yes. And when you get to conferences like this, you've really got the, for lack of a better word, the data nerds. The people who just love the you can get into some conversations upstairs here where you get deeply into the weeds and I get lost very quickly because I'm more of a systems thinker. I agree. It's not for everybody. The Small Business Administration, although this is changing, defines a small business that 500 employees or less. 500 employees is still a very big company. But small businesses are responsible for more jobs in this country than the large corporations are. They're responsible for more hires, more people, hires that are coming out of the schools, out of the technical schools, etc., the associate degrees. So I think that's where a lot of the fertile ground is. You know, you've got, that includes the company of 6, Joe's Roofing Company, it includes a regional broadcasting company, all the way up to some manufacturing companies. To me, that's the fertile ground. You mentioned skills and that's something that's new this year is on day three of the conference, you're going to address the data skills gaps specifically. What kind of a shortage is there? There was this spate of surveys that the results of which were published in the last, since 2012, really. Gartner was kind of the landmark one that said that by the year 2015, there are going to be 1.5 or 6 million jobs coming online. We have enough talent to fill a little better than half of those. When I started doing some digging, I found that the industry was really pointing the finger at academia saying we're not turning out data scientists, and I'm using data scientists broadly, and the associated skills. And so we have this proliferation of master's programs, it's not happening at the PhD level, master's programs are churning out these graduates and they're moving right into the workplace and they're highly sought after. Michael Rappa, if you get a chance to talk to him again, he has 86 graduates this past spring and they all got three to four job offers and they're all in the around $100,000 range, some significantly higher. So academia is responding. But my question is, what are we doing back in the shop, in our corporation to keep the people that we've got because there's a lot of churn in the industry. Their job offers that are hitting a lot of the talent in the industry. So we're not effectively taking care of what we've already got, and that falls into the leadership, communication and teamwork arena. If people aren't being heard, they're not going to stay. And what I think you'll also hear on Friday is that each of these master's programs has a curriculum that includes leadership, teamwork, communication. And when these kids, they're not all kids, when they're going into their practicums in industry, they're coming back and in some cases saying, you know, they're not practicing this stuff in the workplace. What you're telling us about communicating, we're not seeing that happen. So is that stuff going to stay in school or is industry going to catch on and really concentrate on hanging on to their talent? You talked about being in the weeds earlier and I think that, I'd make an observation that I think there'll be an abstraction layer between the hardcore data scientists who are programming and doing MapReduce and regular business people who just are trained and have the processes in place to actually access data that they need to be able to make decisions on that.  You don't necessarily have to close that gap with hardcore data scientists. It's like, I remember somebody in the cube telling the story that the automobile industry was very concerned early on with, they're not being enough chauffeurs to drive the cars. We're in a telephone operation, right? Exactly. So the question is, is there a similar analogy here where there's, as I say, this abstraction layer where you don't have to necessarily have that deep, intense, whether it's mathematical skills or programmatic skills? Well, one of the prescriptions for more effective and efficient output is teams where we don't need to have everybody be a great communicator or a leader. We can have a team with the different disciplines that we need to attack a project and get it done in the best fashion possible. Accenture came out with a paper on that. I've seen a couple of others. But when you start talking about teamwork, then you get into some of the basic questions again. Do we just tell these teams what's right and what's wrong for working together, or are we going to be able to foster those behaviors in that team to get the most out of it? So big data is a team sport. Should be, yeah. Is there hope for the software skills, for the people who don't have the hardcore data analytics type of skills but still want to take advantage of opportunities in this market? Oh, absolutely. You know, Paul Barth said that the technology is really getting easier. But he says what is absolutely needed is more effective leadership. And as that message spreads, you look at CEOs of companies who came from different industries and who are really out of their, you would think, comfort zone. But they come in and they have the leadership skills to just look at whatever this new industry for them is as in the same light that they saw their former company and they're successful at that. I should have a good example, but I don't. But the leaders, we also hear that you can't make decisions today without data. The days of seat of the pants decision-making are over. In fact, is that the future you envision or is there still a role for intuition in decision-making? Absolutely, there's a role for intuition. But there's this basic skill called inspiring a shared vision and this goes back to Jim Collins, Cousins and Posner, the leadership challenge. There's a difference between inspiring a shared vision and sharing an inspired vision. And the very successful leaders inspire a shared vision. That means everybody gets to contribute to it. That doesn't mean we all get in the huge auditorium and word Smith a vision statement, but that means that I as the CEO, you guys as the C-suite, you as the middle managers are going into the front lines, you're spending time, you're listening, you're taking that feedback into account, you're making sure those folks know they were heard and they're helping to shape the direction of the company because they're seeing things that we and the C-suite aren't seeing. Okay? Company I used to work for, the CEO used to gather all the administrative assistants and secretaries into a room at lunch because he believed those were the people who really knew what was going on in the company. And he listened. He was probably right. He was and he listened. And a lot of us still don't do that. We're afraid to ask those questions because we have to do something with it and a lot of us don't know what to do with it and there are methods for dealing with it effectively that aren't going to take up all your time. Peter, a lot of stakeholders this year at the company you see from the backdrop behind us more constituents.  We have a lot of new faces this year and I think a really good sign. We got a lot of last-minute interest. People heard about what was going on. We were snowballing toward today and I think it had to do somewhat with social media, Paul, and word of mouth. We also made a concerted effort, excuse me, to make sure that we had some thought leaders who would invite other people to come out. As you're going to head to the future of this event where do you plan to take it? Could this become as big as it'll get? Could you see eventually having hundreds, thousands of people attending? Will you intentionally keep it more intimate? Will its academic versus commercial orientation change in the future? I think that the academic slash industry combination is unique, especially as tied to MIT. I don't think we want it to get too big because I think that it will lose some of its effectiveness. We don't want to be in a civic center with 3,000 chairs in with two large screens. I just think the intimate aspects of it are part of what make it special. As you start coming for one, two, or three years in a row, you see a lot of the same faces here. I see Joe McGuire standing right there and you establish relationships and that's really what it's all about. I think we'd like to grow another, we're a little over 300 people this year. I think we'd like to grow another couple of hundred, but we're not going to do it if it doesn't happen in the organic fashion that we've been growing the last couple of years. How about your consulting firm? We did a little gig earlier this year. You had me skype in. What's going on there? Thank you. That was fun. I am working with, we got Dave to be online with us with an outfit called Groundwork Labs where it's an accelerator in Durham, North Carolina which is becoming more and more of a hotbed for startups.  And it's going really well. In fact, when I get back to town, I've got a new class Monday and Tuesday coming in. And these people, it's so refreshing working with these people because they're hungry for new knowledge, they're hungry to find out who they are, the tools that they bring to their projects, their new companies, what's missing, what are their strengths, and to see some of them go on to be very successful. We have, in this latest class, we had a company that has a new device that will hold the chest open, a retractor for heart surgery. We have another company that developed a fingernail polish for girls that will immediately detect the date rate drug if they're at a party. Now what parent is in good health? Where do I get that? Where do I get two dogs? And then we have games. We have a startup that is kind of an Airbnb for hostels around the world. And I imagine how much fun that is to have all these different people come through with these great ideas. And mostly are all millennials, right? Mostly, yeah. You know, you'll love this. We're doing a partnership with the International House down in Harlem and the Global Post and the Ground Truth with Charles Sennett. And the theme of the conference that the Cube will be at is Generation TBD. It's all about youth unemployment. And the reason we're there is obviously to broadcast they love the Cube, but also kind of exporting that Silicon Valley entrepreneurialism which is what you're doing in Chapel Hill, right? And that is one answer anyway. One answer anyway to this youth unemployment problem. So I'm glad to see you attacking it. Well, it's kind of like the, our downtown died like most downtowns did back in the 70s, 80s, they started coming back about six or seven years ago. But artists used to be the group that would help revive it. They'd move in, they'd be in these dilapidated apartments and then the business folks would come in and raise the rents and move them out. Well, these entrepreneur scenes are kind of the same thing. They bring this excitement, this freshness, this youth that really is key in revitalizing. Yeah, a lot of positive messages. I mean, being in the Durham area, which has been such a hotbed of technology innovation for several decades, have you seen the profiles of these startups change as data has become more ubiquitous, more available, more immediate, more mobile? Are you seeing different kinds of startups emerge out of that? I'm seeing a lot of apps. I'm seeing everybody needing technical help and the websites and the tools that they need to incorporate into those are getting very sophisticated, complex. They're always trying to figure out where, you know, they're straddling the fence. We don't have money to pay somebody. Do we give them equity? Do we go overseas? Where are we going to find this type of help? Do we take longer and do it ourselves? But it's actually a really good question because they need technology. They need data. And I think all of them really depend on it. So, yeah, that's a good point. I'm seeing more of that. All right, Peter, we got to leave it there. Yes, sir. The planes are backing up, as Mark Hopkins says. Certainly. But really, thank you so much for having us again this year. Thanks, guys. Great to have you here. I'll be great to have you here. All right, pleasure. Take care. Good to see you again. John and Jeff will be back. We're live. This is theCUBE from MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Right back.


Well, after I just uploaded my video about Trisha Payness and Jason Nash, a ton, a ton of you commented and wanted me to make a video about David Dobrik possibly enabling these two. So that's what we're here to do. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution. And if you're new to my channel, my channel is all about mental health and what I like to do is pull different topics from the YouTube community to try to teach you how to improve your mental and emotional well-being. So if you're into that kind of stuff, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell. So I'm trying something different. Some of you know that I've had audio issues so I'm doing a little Leon Lush right now and I'm holding my mic right here. Hello everybody and welcome back to a brand new gluttony induced myocardial infarction. My name is Leon Lush and I am filled with glee that you would be so kind to spend a few minutes here with me today because I think it helps get rid of some of the echo until I figure something else out. But anyways, I have a patreon if you want to go sign up and help me get some new audio equipment but we're at least a mic stand I don't know but anyways, yeah let's talk about this. So I just made a video saying I'm worried about Jason Nash and Trisha Paytas. I got a ton of requests to talk about their relationship and I mentioned in that video you know that it kind of seemed like maybe David Dobrik is enabling them but it also seems like it gives them some like real talk. So a lot of you requested this video. So a couple of disclaimers real quick. The first one is if you're new to my channel, my channel isn't for David Dobrik. My channel isn't for Trisha Paytas. My channel isn't for Jason Nash. It's for you. Okay, so if you can relate to the situation like a lot of people wanted me to make this video because they are the David Dobrik in this situation. They have friends who are in toxic relationships and they don't know what to do. So remember this isn't necessarily about them. If you want to comment about their relationship in the comments, go ahead. Do your thing, baby. But this is to try to help you if you have friends who are in a toxic relationship like this. Now, the second disclaimer is this. And I just thought about this before making the video. So like a lot of this, these suggestions I'm going to give and everything like that for you is based on if this is affecting your mental health, okay? So like in David Dobrik's situation, if it is not affecting his mental health, then who cares? Do your thing, man. If this is not affecting you, if Jason coming over and complaining to you about Tricia all the time is not affecting you, if it is not emotionally draining to you, do your thing. Some people are wired like that. Like some people can take that stuff in and listen to it, laugh it off, do whatever. But for some of us, like if you have somebody who keeps coming to you with the same problem over and over and over and over again, it's time to set up some boundaries, all right? So that's my other disclaimer. So if you're in this situation, you have friends who are in toxic relationships and it is not affecting you mentally or emotionally, that's cool. Don't even worry about it. But maybe share this video with someone who it is affecting, all right? So anyways, when I was watching the new Jason Nash video where they were talking about this situation where Jason almost called the cops on Tricia and everything, like David's laughing the whole time. David's laughing and Jason made a comment earlier in the video like, you're just going to use this for one of your bits and dah, dah, dah, dah. Right?  But I remember like, so those of you who don't know, David, Dobrik and Jason Nash have a podcast together called Views. And it's interesting because my girlfriend Tristan, she doesn't listen to any podcast. She hates podcast and she listens to views all the time with David Dobrik and Jason Nash, but here's what's even crazier. She's not even like a diehard David Dobrik or Jason Nash fan. But for some reason, she loves that podcast. But anyways, anyways, that's besides the point. It's a good podcast. It's funny. I actually liked Jason a lot more in the podcast than when I see him in this toxic relationship with Tricia. But anyways, I remember a while back around the time when I made my first, one of my first videos about Jason Nash and Tricia Paytas, they, they did a podcast and like David Dobrik was given Jason tough love. Like if you want to know, OK, so a lot of you are coming here asking, like, what do you do? Like, what do you do if, you know, your friends are in a toxic relationship? Like David Dobrik, like was like the best, like in that podcast. I'm going to try to find it and link it down below. But what David Dobrik did, like, that's how you talk to a friend in a relationship. First of all, let me recap. Jason and Tricia had a brutal break up on the Internet. Like, like the most public break up you could ever have. Nothing was private, not a single thing was private. And and it's and it's. Well, that's not true. That's not true at all. There was lots of things that were private. I mean, and I didn't think it was that brutal at all. I thought it was pretty. I thought what went on was. Well, what? No, I mean, how would you know what was private and what was a lot private, which makes me I mean, I'm sure there was more things in private. But that was public or private. And I just think it was, I mean, I mean, I. I mean, that's your opinion of the video. He broke up with me because I'm fat. That's a pretty. It's a pretty brutal thing to say about another about another person. You know what I mean? That's like a news headline. Like he was constantly calling Jason out on his BS, right? Like, here's the thing.   OK, so like I a lot of my mental health is based on me constantly working on my self-awareness, right? You, me, a lot of us who struggle with mental health issues were the type of person who lies to ourselves and tells us everything's fine or minimize things and we don't understand why we're so upset. Well, we need we either a need self-awareness or B, we need people in our lives to call us out on our crap, right?  It's not there. And David's and David's like, no, it is. This is nuts. This is crazy. This is not healthy. You know what I mean? So this is why I tell you guys to keep people around who tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. So I guess that's one of one of my tips for you if you have friends in these types of relationships. Like, don't don't play into their BS. Do not do that. Like, I've mentioned I had a friend who was in a toxic relationship for two years, maybe more than two years, and she would tell me about how terrible the relationship was all the time. And I would ask her, like, why do you post this on social media? Like, everything's all unicorns and rainbows. And she would tell me she she wants people to think that they have a good, healthy relationship. She wants her parents to think they have a good, healthy relationship. And this is why I keep trying to teach you guys to quit caring so much about what other people think. Like, on my last video, I just did about Trisha Paytas and Jason Nash. I asked you guys, I asked you guys in the comments, how many of you have stayed in a relationship way too long waiting for the other person to change? Well, here's a follow up. How many of you have stayed in a relationship way too long because you were worried about what your friends would say? You were worried about what your parents would say? Like, I've seen people stay in a toxic relationship because they don't want their friends to make fun of them.  Like, who cares? Would you rather would you rather them like poking fun at you or sitting in a toxic relationship for months or even years? All right. So anyways, in this new video, David's like laughing and kind of doing it. But like, I kind of see David in the same light as I saw Shane Dawson at the end of his Jake Paul series, where Jason just kind of like listens and he in his brain, he's analyzing it and he knows it's a bunch of BS. He knows it's all wrong. He knows it's BS. And like, I can really I can definitely relate to David because I'm the type of person like I call people out on their stuff, but I try to do it in a lighthearted way, right? Like if somebody's acting crazy, like I'll laugh and joke with them about it. But like I'm I'm really like giving them like, hey, you know, like you need to identify this because like it's not it's not normal. Like when David was like, OK, yeah. So you guys like this isn't good, right? So I don't I don't think David is enabling them. But he did mention like later on, like this is a healthy. This isn't good or anything like that. But if you're somebody who's who has friends like this, like here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say.  You've got to I keep telling you guys over and over and over again, quit being an emotional banker for other people's problems. Like stop it. Stop it. Like I'm here to help.  I'm here to listen. I'm here to reply to your comments and stuff like that. But if you keep coming to me with the same problems and refuse to do any type of solution, then I don't got time for you. And you and it sounds rough, but you got to do the same thing with your friends. I have friends who consistently get in bad relationships and then think they're going to be able to turn to me. And I've cut those people out. Or if I haven't cut them out, I don't talk to them about their relationships anymore. Like because I that does affect my mental health. Like I threw that disclaimer at the beginning of the video. But these things do affect my mental health. When I have people who are constantly complaining to me and refusing to get into the solution, that's just something that I can't handle. That's something I can't deal with. It frustrates me. It angers me. It's something that I it's brutal. Like at my job in my career, I can deal with that. These are clients. You know what I mean? But when it's people in my life and I can control like whether or not I pick up their phone calls, answer their texts or their DMs or their messages. No, like I set up boundaries with them and I say, listen, I'm no longer going to sit here and listen to you complaining about your problem if you refuse to get in the solution. And that's what I suggest of you too. This can go even to like a job, right? Like let's say you have somebody who a friend of yours who's always complaining to you about a job, right? Always complaining about their job. And then you ask them to try to get them solution focused. You say, OK, have you been looking for a new job? And they're like, no, OK, the quick complaining to me about your job if you're refusing to look for a new one, right? Like I'm here to help you and strategize and stuff because like the excuse for the job thing I hear all the time is like I'm constantly working so I can't look for another job. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You go home, you binge watch Netflix, you scroll through Instagram for three hours, take one of those hours and start looking for jobs and filling out applications. Like don't give me any of that BS. I'm one of the busiest people that I know.  This is my third video today and I'm in the middle of writing a book. So so be be careful and tread lightly when you try to tell people that you don't have time to get into the solution, right?  You know what I mean? But like again, this is for all of you who have friends who are getting into toxic relationships, set up boundaries with them, set it up like as a friend, it is your job. It is your responsibility to be there for them and support them and help direct them to solutions, give them suggestions. But if they are not taking those suggestions, there is very little to nothing you could do. Like when I made my video yesterday about is Amberlynn Reed a lost cause? I don't think she is, but if she's not willing to do the work, then there's not much anybody can do for her. And that's one of the things about being like mentally ill or having any kind of mental health issues. It takes the person's willingness. All right. So I hope this video provided you with some good suggestions. And you know, the I guess I'll end with this. The most common excuse I get from friends in this scenario is well, I can't I can't cut them out of my life. They're my friend.  I have had to cut best friends out of my life for drug addiction, alcohol addiction, them being toxic, starting fights, starting drama, whatever it is, I've done it a million times. There's a difference between can't and won't. In my last video, I about T series, I talked about internal locus of control and external locus of control. Get the internal locus of control and realize you can set boundaries. The reality is, is that you're uncomfortable setting boundaries that I can hear that I can work with that I can give you some strategies for, but never, ever, ever, ever tell me you can't set up boundaries. I was reading a comment on the last video. I think there was a few comments saying that they're in a relationship and they said, I tried to leave three times, but I can't. And by the way, I don't know the specifics of this situation. But when I hear that, when I hear the word can't, I'm like, OK, like, are you locked in a dungeon? Like what what is happening is this person holding you hostage because I think a lot of us get twisted, especially with boundaries, the difference between can't and won't. All right. Like I really want you guys to think about that. OK, really, really think about that. All right, but anyways, if you like this video, please give it a thumbs up. If you're new, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell because I make a ton of videos and a huge thank you to everybody who is supporting the channel over on Patreon. You are all amazing. And again, I'm holding a mic if you want to help me get a new mic stand. Come become a patron even for a buck, even just a little dollar a month. You know what I'm saying? All right, but anyways, thanks so much for watching. Set up some boundaries and I'll see you next time.


Now, I'm very, very thankful that we have a communist on the panel and Sam to react to her definition of not just communism, but what she calls corporate communism. Large corporations are military industrial complex is a major issue. So I have a term for that. I call it corporate communism. Corporate communism destroys small businesses in America. And I have a very good example from my district. They destroy the small businesses and the corporations gain all the control and they can't be defeated. And they do the bidding of the government like they're doing. Biden's saying, oh, the government's not going to mandate vaccines, but the big corporations are doing it corporate communism. They're putting the policy in place through their businesses on their employees and on their customers like we've seen with airlines. That's capitalism. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the point. That's capitalism. I mean, maybe it's a sign that like that we're winning some sort of ideological war that they take all the all the terrible things about capitalism and just try to call it communist. May at least recognize that it's a unsustainable system here. I used to get frustrated when Bernie did similar stuff when he's talked about corporate socialism and versus, you know, and I guess I know that there is kind of a kind of a history like Martin Luther King used similar terminology, but it just it mystifies when we don't need to like, yeah, we can we can point out all these things that capitalism is doing and define it as capitalism because they're deeply unpopular and nobody likes them. And by by by trying to redefine socialism in a way, you just end up helping the right and how end up helping Marjorie Taylor Green talking points down the road. I don't know how to respond to something like that other than the way you guys do and she's describing capitalism. Yeah, at this point, we've we've long since reached the singularity where none of these words mean anything in the common discourse, especially for the right. Right. I mean, the use of the words fascism, communism and socialism have long since superseded any meaning and have been reduced completely and entirely to thing I don't like. I don't I don't know if I don't know if you can ever be pulled back from that point, you know, it's because like if a person's 32 years old and they vote red and they think that communism, socialism and fascism are all when corporations allow vaccine requirements in their stores. Like how do you what could you ever do to reestablish the meaning of those terms in that person's head? I feel it's almost like you have to abandon them and we need to come up with a new term to describe all this, you know, I mean, that's why I think that like a lot of the time this is one of the things that I like, I think that there's a lot of I don't want to say time wasted on trying to win over right wing people, but like I think that like most of the time, aiming for everyone who's not already an adherent of Marjorie Taylor Green and Matt Gates is usually a good thing because it is and I want people to understand that it is almost impossible to fish someone back from a position where they think that like where you're talking about where the words are so diluted that they don't even have the same they're not even speaking the same language as you. They say communism and that equals in their brain what Joe Biden does when he orders, you know, an extra egg on the tax payers dime. Like that's what they literally mean. And they take that a hundred percent against them, that that's not the dictionary dictionary definition of communism or socialism or of anything or welfare. Like I mean, when they think of welfare, like that, like when I think of welfare, I think of an arduous obnoxious process to get pocket change from the government so that you can have food in the middle of a pandemic where you have to fill out 50 paper pages of paperwork in order to even do that. But yeah, and don't forget, by the way, this is the person who had to learn that the Holocaust was bad by going across museum. So maybe I don't know if she went to like Marxist grave. She could learn some things about theory in the interim if she wants to keep labeling everything as way more badass than it is. Like I don't understand because every day I'm hearing how Joe Biden is this radical communist, you know, neo-Marxist superstar, the child of angles and all this kind of stuff. Like where does that leave us? Where does that leave the left? If all these words have no meaning anymore? I will say it does give us a small it does give us one small advantage, which is that in when people get to that level of having their own entire lexicon, that's totally different from everybody else is incredibly alienating. And so like obviously the people who are in are very hard to get out. This is like cults, right? Like it's like once they're in, it's really, really hard to get out. It's damn near impossible. And they rely on that. They fish people in, you get stuck forever and they slowly and surely accumulate. But this applies on a bigger level. Like if you can, if we as like the online left or as all like the general left in America can can instill a sense of just like incredulity towards this sort of nonsense, which I do think that there's been success at, by the way, I think that like, especially in streaming spaces, like people laugh about the like Joe Biden being a Chinese communist or being a socialist now. That's good that people laugh at that and think that's a funny thing. I think that's how you inoculate people from ever getting pulled in in the first place. And I think it's a much harder project to try and I and personally I don't even know that if this is something that like online content creators can even meaningfully participate in outside of just sort of chance because like, like whether you can get people out of that far right of a thing over the internet alone. I don't know that that's possible, but we can certainly inoculate a lot of people to this idea that like that rant should be taken seriously at all. And if people watch that and they think, oh my God, why is the why is this why is the scary looking lady and the scary looking man telling me that Walmart is a is a corporate communist, like then and then they just laugh and turn their brains off because it just seems like a absurd boomer bait. And if we give that impression, I think that's going to be really effective at making their message fall on deaf ears. I was just wondering where the whistle guy was. We needed the whistle guy. Oh, yeah, the last event that those two were at. That was so good. I like auditorious people. Oh, that was so good. OK, so we talked about demerism for a good portion of this podcast, but I'm actually going to end on a positive note, folks. So we just watched Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I just want you to know if you're watching this and you think that you're not worthy enough or you're going to take a test and you just don't think you can do it. You're applying for a job and you don't think that you're qualified. If Marjorie Taylor Greene can get elected to Congress, you can do anything, anything. So just keep that in mind. So Louis, he might be a better example to be fair.