In life in the law, an update on the Hawaii Supreme Court. Wow, I'm Jay Fidel. This is Think Tech and the handsome young man is Chief Justice Mark Recton-Wald of Hawaii Supreme Court. Welcome to the show. Thanks, Jay. And thanks to Think Tech for having me today. Aloha. Absolutely. We have so many things to talk about. I'm sure we won't get through them all. We live in difficult times. We're gonna talk about some of that today. I just wanna point out that although people may not remember a couple of decades ago, you were with the Department of Justice. I'm not gonna ask you your feelings about the current investigation, what's going on in Murilago and search warrants and affidavits and special masters. I'm not gonna ask you about that. I just wanna remind people that you had a sterling career here in Hawaii in the District of Hawaii as an assistant US attorney. And now it's decades later, and but that was formative for you, wasn't it? You know, the US attorney's office here in Hawaii has just wonderful lawyers. It's a very important institution in our community. We've had great US attorneys leading the office over the years. And right now we have a really good one in Claire Connors. And so, you know, I think it's a very important part of our community and we're very lucky to have dedicated professionals with a great deal of experience and expertise in that very important position. Yeah, there's so many national, you know, and in the past I never thought that national news, national legal news reached out and touched Hawaii in the same way as it does now, but it certainly does.  It's a sign of threat.  The tool of journalism at UH says it's the most important story of our lifetimes, climate change. And I know that you care about both of those things. I wanted to just ask you your, you know, general reaction to how our national democracy is working and how our environmental initiatives are working, especially in view of the provisions of the inflation reduction act just a few days ago. Well, you know, with regard to democracy, I think the sort of foundation of the judiciary here and across the country is public understanding, trust and confidence in what we do. So that has always been sort of a cornerstone of our efforts here is to find ways to reach out to and engage with the public.  They have their voice heard. You may not agree with the decision, but it's a process that's fair and has integrity. And so, you know, we've really doubled down on our efforts to try to engage, to try to share information about how our courts work and how our democracy works. We've done that a couple of different ways. One is through something called the PACE Commission, which was established by our court early last year and is chaired by Chief Judge Lisa Genosa from the Intermediate Court of Appeals. And it's really developed an ambitious agenda to engage with schools, engage with communities, to try to give people opportunities to learn about the nuts and bolts of democracy, not just the courts. And so that's a very, very important initiative. And for us at the Supreme Court, we've taken our court out into the community to hold oral argument at high schools across the state. That's something we've done for about 10 years now. We did it back in Farrington in 2012.  So the lawyers come before us in an actual case. And what we do is when we go to a particular community, we ask the lawyers from that community to work with the students to teach them about the case that's gonna be heard that day. So they know what the issues are, they know what the role of the lawyers are and the justices. And they sometimes have opportunities to actually do practice arguments themselves before they hear the court in action. And that's something we've done now at a number of different schools across the state. I think we've had 5,500 students who have participated in these different arguments. Sometimes we'll have 500 students. We had to pause it during the pandemic, but we're planning on going back to La Jaina Luna this fall in December. We're really excited to coming back to an in-person format and excited to be able to go visit Maui again. This will be our third time on Maui since we started the program. So civic education, I think all the more important than ever in these times, issues around the environment. We have been a leader in developing sort of institutional capability for dealing with complex environmental issues. And the legislature back around 2014 or 2015 created a statewide environmental court here in Hawaii, which is a relatively unique institution in our country. Vermont has a statewide environmental court. We have one. There are other institutions sort of like it in different parts of the country, but really our two are the only statewide, the statewide environmental courts that exist. And that has been, I think, an experiment that has been very successful. The sort of the linchpin of that is the idea that we want judges to have specialized training and expertise when they have these complex cases coming before them so that they're prepared to handle the issues that are coming up. And those issues can range from really, complex environmental impact statement and land use issues in our circuit courts to in the district courts, issues around the use of resources. What it means to take a female lobster out of season in a particular area, what's the impact on the environment of doing that, which is not something that, you know, typically would come to the attention of a district court judge, but we try to train and explain and have our judges understand the complexity of these issues so they can do a more effective, fair, and prompt job of resolving these very important disputes. So those are two areas we've done a lot of work in, Jay. Yeah, I know you have. And I think that's great and it distinguishes us. It distinguishes the judiciary too. And on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for addressing both of those points. Now, just a couple of weeks ago, you had a special session for C.J. Ron Moon, who I knew pretty well back when, back before he was a judge even. And he was a great lawyer, a great litigator and a great judge. And you went to have a special session. What did he mean to the judiciary, C.J.? What did he mean to the state? What did he mean to the legal culture in Hawaii? Well, I think he really sort of shaped us into the modern institution we are today in many ways. So look at the administrative side first. Institutions like our drug court, our girls' court, our mental health treatment court, these were I think very effective initiatives that sort of target resources. And again, target, bring a team approach to handling some of the most difficult cases that we face. Folks who are repeatedly violating the law because they're addicted to substances. How do we break that cycle? And that the idea of having these treatment courts was something that started under C.J. Moon. He was a strong supporter of, so that was just one example of where he used his sort of leadership, his ability to work with the legislature to create coalitions and support of the work we were doing to really make our system work better for the people it's supposed to serve and serve the public more effectively. He was, you know, as the court itself, many landmark decisions during his tenure from Bayer versus Lewin that recognized a constitutional right to same-sex marriage to the Kalima case that recognized the interests or rights of folks who are beneficiaries of the Hawaiian Homes Trust to address breaches of the trust. And all kinds of major environmental cases involving the super ferry and other really profound issues that the court handled during his tenure. So in terms of the legal landscape, he had a huge impact in terms of the work that we do to help people, he had a huge impact. And I think again, I think the culture of somebody who was extremely professional had very high standards, but was also a very warm and gracious person who made people feel that they belong. You know, he came from very humble roots in Oahua. You know, I think his family had a store out there and he never forgot those roots. I think that's one of the things that really distinguishes him. He truly cared about and wanted us to serve the needs of people who came into our courts, who may not speak English as a first language or who may never have dealt with the court before and may have been apprehensive and unsure of what was gonna happen, that we would work with those people to make them feel welcome, respected, and to give them a fair shake when they came into our courts. So I think those are all parts of his legacy. I mean, really in terms of his personal legacy, to me and many other judges, he was a mentor and a friend. And, you know, we'll miss him terribly as an institution. I miss him terribly personally as well. It was really a hard summer for me to lose this person. I really just, you know, idolized, frankly. And his sense of humor too. He was hysterical and, you know, that's a really important part of, you know, he'd always start an event with a joke and, you know, always appropriate, always in the right time, you know, but you knew when you were needed to be serious and when you could lighten things up a bit. But I think, again, it was just part of his, you know, effort to make people feel welcome and sort of relax and be able to say what they had to say in a setting or feel comfortable in a setting and sort of demystify, you know, the black robe that, and he spoke out about not wanting judges to think too highly of themselves as people, although always having respect for the institution. And so he kind of modeled that through his own, how he interacted with folks. Yeah, you know, it's a hard road to become a judge and, you know, a lot of people are, you know, when we say that it changes them, it changes them vis-a-vis their old friends, their partners, their peers, their colleagues, their associates, and the natural drift is to drift away from your formal life. But he didn't do that. He was always friendly, he was always warm. He managed to, you know, find the connection and not drift away as you.   I'm glad that I have the opportunity to come, Jay. And, you know, again, I think think tech is a really important part of our community as well. I mean, the work that you do and the voices that you allow to be heard, it's a really important role you play, so thank you. Thank you.  I don't want to ask you a tough question, CJ. How is your administration, which is going to end by age in some three years or so from now? I'm sorry to, I'm sorry. You know, I hope they changed the law between now and then, frankly. But, you know, how does your administration differ or is similar to his? Well, you know, I built on the work, I think, or, you know, the folks that I work with or that I'm privileged to be part of the team with, built on the start that CJ got us in Access to Justice. So the Access to Justice Commission was created when he was still Chief Justice. It's really the body that sort of provides focus to our efforts to help people who are coming into the civil legal system without an attorney. And there are literally thousands of those people every year. You know, they're small claims cases, they're landlord tenant cases, they're collections actions and there are literally thousands of family court cases where people just can't afford a lawyer and they're coming in and they really have no alternative, excuse me, but to represent themselves. Now, you know, we can try and we have done a great job, I think of getting more funding for our legal services providers for legal aid and other institutions who do provide representation for folks who can't afford it. But for those people who, you know, aren't able to be served by legal aid, we've tried really hard to our commission to have volunteer access to justice rooms and self-help centers where lawyers can come volunteer their time for maybe, you know, half an hour with each person, 15 minutes just to orient them to the system, answer some basic questions. So when they go into court, they have some idea of what's going to happen and what they need to present. So that's been a partnership that sort of the signature achievement of our Access to Justice Commission, we've probably helped, started in Kauai'i background, I think 2011, we've helped more than I think 30,000 people statewide at these centers. And so really try to build on the great start that CJ Moon gave us by creating the commission and try to really push Hawaii forward. And, you know, the most, they do a national ranking of different states and how they function on access to justice. They look at things like language access, disability access, access to services for folks who aren't represented. The most recent one of those, we came in sixth between California and New York. And this isn't adjusted for like the resources we have. This is just based on the quality of the services that we provide. So I think we've, you know, because we have people who care, because we have people who are willing to volunteer and just work their hearts out to try to make sure that we actually provide justice for all in a way that's fair and respectful, we've been able to achieve amazing things. So that's, I think the thing that I really look at and think is, you know, something that I feel is really important that the judiciary has been able to accomplish while I've been here. Yeah, you know, really it does, in many ways to me, it defines your administration access to justice. It's not just one thing, it's hundreds of things you've done over the past few years and you've been on it the whole time. And let me add that, you know, we talk about public confidence. And after all, we know that public confidence is the firmest pillar of good government and public confidence in the judiciary is so critically important. And I read this morning by one of your press releases that Angela Min, the Judiciary Chief Innovations Officer, which is really kind of an extraordinary thing to have in the first place, to have somebody who is the Chief Innovations Officer. And she's terrific, by the way, she's perfect for that. So now she has established a small claims online, dispute resolution pilot in the third circuit and we'll soon duplicate that in the fifth circuit. And it's a way in order to learn by COVID, I suppose, to learn by, you know, remote, remote connection and make justice that way for small claims. This is really a fabulous idea. Why didn't we think of this, you know, before COVID actually? Well, actually, this one was, you know, this one was actually in the works pre-COVID. So this was something we had looked at, thought about, and really it's the idea, again, in this one category of cases, small claims cases where frankly, folks are representing themselves. Can we make it easier for them to engage with the courts? And the idea is really to have a system where they could sort of engage, sort of from, you know, be able to file the case, get things started, engage with the other party, get the process rolling completely online.  And so we had sort of identified that as an area where we needed to look at and become, you know, more sort of, you know, more responsive to the sort of expectations of the public in an era where there is frankly, online dispute resolution all over the place, you know, if you're unhappy with Amazon, if you're unhappy with a transaction on eBay, you know, you engage in an online dispute resolution process. So the idea was to begin step, you know, getting our toes into the water and the process, this pilot project has been very successful. It's been in the first and second circuit now for about a year. So we're just now rolling it out in the third circuit and I'm really excited about it. But the thing, one thing I will mention, Jay, you know, we were thinking about this, we had it in the works, but then COVID hit and as you pointed out, you know, then something remarkable happened, which is we had to pivot from basically being an in-person institution, you know, an institution that people came in, that we see them face to face, cases were adjudicated in a brick and mortar courthouse to having to do our proceedings remotely. And, you know, really we had great leaders who stepped up, we moved to Zoom just like everyone else and Webex and we have, you know, at the height of the pandemic, we had about 20,000 hearings a month that were being heard by Zoom. And we really, you know, as we go forward, we're sort of trying to figure out how to incorporate that into who we are and really it's already happened. And so we have rules that just went into effect that sort of identify which hearings are gonna be presumptively on Zoom, which are gonna be presumptively in-person. You know, there are jury trials in criminal cases, they should, they have to be in-person, I think. And there's a right to confrontation. I think you want the jury in the courtroom seeing the witnesses in-person, but, you know, traffic infractions, you know, frankly, you know, why do we wanna make somebody come in, you know, and again, take a day off, drive in, park and spend a morning to contest a citation that might be $125, they're just not gonna do it. So, you know, you have to pick the right kind of cases, you have to understand that some people don't have the technology and adjust for that fact, but, you know, the revolution that we were trying to instigate when we sort of started thinking about ODR, I happened and it's, you know, it's already, it sort of happened all around us for the last two and a half years and it's really changed how we operate as an institution. And I think, again, I think it makes us more accessible and that's a positive development. Yeah, let me offer the thought that this really falls in a similar category as your discussion of having Supreme Court argument and appearances, you know, on the neighbor islands, because, you know, there's always the risk in Hawaii that the neighbor islands drift away, that they're not treated as important, as important as Oahu is. And I think it's also a point of your administration also defines your administration to allow access to justice and, you know, move the courts out to the neighbor islands. And this along with, you know, having hearings and the like on the neighbor islands and letting those kids see what it's like to be in a courtroom, that's remarkable and wonderful. And this also is the online dispute resolution, it's in the same vein, it's the same concept, isn't it? Well, frankly, you know, think about the big island. I mean, there are people there who are, you know, certainly an hour or maybe hour 15 away from the courthouses, you know, if you live in Naalehu and you're trying to drive to Hilo or to our courthouse in Kona, it's a long, long drive. And so, and then on Maui, you have people who are on Moloka'i and Lanai when our circuit courthouse is in Wailuku. So, you know, there really are real challenges for people to get to court in those areas, you know, not that we don't have them here on Oahu, but again, I think the idea of using remote technology to make us ourselves more accessible to people who otherwise just might not be able to participate might choose not to participate, they might just default.  I think I have a case. I feel like, you know, I'm right or I have something to say to the judge, but I just can't afford to take off and go down there. You know, so I think it's made us, it's made us more accessible. And, you know, I, we have great people on the neighbor islands, really strong circuits, you know, in, on the Big Island and Maui and Kauai, really smart dedicated judges and staff and they do a fantastic job and they really did a great job during the pandemic. So I agree, Jay. I think we need to support their efforts. Generally speaking, you know, there are areas where the, the, the neighbor islands lack in resources. And, you know, one area that we're focusing on now is this new legislative session comes up our, you know, the options that might exist for treatment or alternatives, you know, for, for example, women offenders who are coming into the criminal justice system. And I think it's a really interesting issue. There was a lot of really good work done this past session to establish, for example, here in the first circuit, a women's court pilot project, which is much the same as I described before, the sort of treatment court model where women who are coming into the criminal justice system, they come in for different reasons. The vast majority have been subject to some kind of trauma early in their life. And that, you know, that then you go down the road and there are substance abuse issues, mental health issues that you need to address if you want that person to be able to move forward in a positive way. That's the idea of this women's treatment court. Judge Mark Browning and his team really put together a great proposal. The legislature funded it. We're very, very grateful to both the judiciary and finance and ways and mean chairs for supporting it. We're gonna stand it up with Judge Trish Morkawa as a presiding judge. And we hope to have an underway by early next year. And we think we're gonna get some really good results. And I'm hopeful that we can find initiatives for the neighbor islands. Because one of the things we really need, Jay, is tools that judges have where rather than incarcerate somebody who's not a threat to, you know, we're not talking now about people who are dangerous in the sense of potential for violence. We're talking about folks who may have substance abuse issues, they're violating the law, they need to be held accountable. But how are we gonna do that? And can we do that in a way, for example, if they're women who have kids, can we find a way to put them on a positive path without incarcerating them and then having their children go into the child welfare system or be raised by somebody who might not be a great parent for them. And that then creates another generation of folks who are coming into our system and that's what we don't want. So that was a real emphasis of the legislature this year to look for alternatives, to give our judges more options and to give women who are coming out of the correctional system more options. And I think more of that could happen on the neighbor islands and that's something we're certainly looking at. Think of a ride if I said that we are in a judicial inflection point these days, it's not only because of COVID, it's just changing times and it's the innovations you're talking about, these very things. Create an inflection point for the judiciary and of course the judiciary is sort of the backbone of government in the sense that that's the part that people have contact with. That's the part they engage with like it or not. Do you see it that way? Well, I think it's critical. You know, we all want public safety. We all wanna make sure that our community is safe. Judges live in this community. We want the same thing that everyone wants which is a community where we feel safe and we feel that our families are safe. The question is how do you get there? And you need to look at the data and understand where the risks are and how you can achieve the best possible outcome. So the idea of doing treatment courts has been shown over time to be an effective way of getting people off the path of using drugs.  It's very intense supervision. They have a treatment team of the judge, a probation officer, maybe treatment professionals, prosecutor, public defender who are watching, planning, monitoring what they're doing, what progress they're making and when they step back and fall back. And they move to a point where they're ready to graduate from the program. We have a ceremony to honor them and recognize their achievement. And I've been to these ceremonies. They'll turn to members of their family and they'll say, you know, I'm sorry for what I did. I'm sorry for how I hurt you. I know I've done things that I can't forgive and that it are very hard to forgive but I am now going to, I'm now on a path where I'm gonna be able to live a clean and sober life. And I, you know, I hope you'll be there with me to make sure that I stay on that path. I mean, that's what we want. We want to get to the point where folks are able to break out of the addictions or the mental illness that sort of caused them to come into the system and they can find a new path ahead. That doesn't mean they're not going to be held accountable. They have to be held accountable for their actions but you have to look at what achieves the best results. How do we use the resources we have to get us to the place where we keep ourselves the safest? And that's really a conversation that's been going on now probably for about 10 years. Interestingly, it's a conversation where folks from very different political perspectives are able to find some common ground. This happened nationally and it's happened, I think it happens here as well. And again, something like the Women's Court Pilot Project I think has tremendous potential to hopefully move us forward to just a different approach to women's corrections here in Hawaii. And I'll just say one thing, Jay, there's a group called the Women's Prison Project which sort of sprung up organically. Amazing group of women really accomplished women from a variety of different walks of life which engaged at the legislature last session and was instrumental working with the Women's Legislative Caucus to make a lot of these bills move forward.  And I think we welcome their participation because again, how can we envision doing this better in a way that's gonna keep people safe, use the resources we have in the best way possible but hopefully be able to ensure that women who have kids are gonna be able to raise their kids and those without having them go again into the child welfare system or be raised by someone who's not gonna care about them or take care of them. And then we have kids who are, again, they're gonna have significant issues down the road. How can we avoid that sort of compounding of the effect of the trauma that these women have undergone? It's certainly the enlightened view seems to me and of course it has to be judgmental in the sense that this is the judiciary we're talking about, but in a funny way. It's not judgmental, it's part of the social safety net. It reaches beyond classical criminal justice and good for you that you think that way that you're into that kind of enlightenment.  You have to go out and select district court judges.  You recently appointed Annalisa Bernard to the district court of the Second Circuit and you encouraged Brandon Kimura to apply to the Institute for Court Management in the National Center for State Courts. This in itself could be a full-time job and you oversee the fiscal plan, the infrastructure of the judiciary. Recently, you did some work on the upgraded, the Maui, the Wailuku Courthouse. I suppose you're taking a part-time course at the University and the School of Architecture. Is that right, CJ? So you've got all these things on your plate in addition to hearing cases and writing opinions and I'm thinking about public policy. My goodness gracious, how do you do all that? Well, I got great people around me. I mean, the one thing I've tried to do is get really people who care deeply about our community who are motivated by public service and bring them in here and empower them and turn them loose, try to develop a broad vision for them to work towards, encourage and support them and let them achieve all that they can achieve if they're empowered. So that's really been what I've tried to do. I have a very unique responsibility under our constitution, Jay, which is I select our district court and family court judges. The governor selects our circuit court, which are criminal trial courts and civil trial courts where they're jury trials and our appellate court judges. But for the district court where folks go for traffic cases, small claims, landlord, tenant disputes, family court, we're literally everything from divorce to child welfare to juvenile cases. I have the incredible responsibility to pick those judges. That's something I take really seriously. I try to make sure that we have people who are passionate about public service, who know what they're doing, who are experienced, who have great temperament and who see the bigger picture of wanting to make us a better institution and impact the community in a positive way. So, and we have a great group of judges. You know, we have, I think one thing that has sort of has happened, which I think is amazing is we're now, we're basically 50, 50 women and men among our full-time judges. So I think that speaks a lot about the type of institution we are. We're a place where there's opportunity where we try to reflect our community. We can do, for sure we can do better and for sure there are communities where we'd like to see more representation from, but we're working on it. We've made a conscious effort to try to reach out to and show people, this is the path. If you wanna become a judge, this is how you get there. And I think it's really reflected in the folks we've had. It's an incredibly strong group of people. They really care. And that's something I think really is just a very, very important thing to know about us as an institution. So, and you know, Brandon is a great example of someone who I think, you know, again, you get great people, you give them the opportunities to develop themselves professionally and then you let them do their work and support them and they'll do great things for you. And Brandon's a great example of that. He's a wonderful leader. And what about the school of architecture? We get, you know, we get great architects to come in and design buildings that are functional, but we try to, without breaking the bank try to make them attractive. And, you know, I think we've done that. You know, we build a new courthouse in Kona while I was Chief Justice. It's really is a very, it's a functional building. I think we are now up to, I think we're elite silver. We might be lead gold. So we're very energy efficient and that's something that folks over there have been waiting 30 years for. So, you know, it's, again, we try to identify opportunities to ensure that the physical plant, you know, provides a safe and functional environment for people to come and have their cases adjudicated.  There is now a high rise, high rise housing that's affordable housing in essence. And on that property has been built out a facility for juveniles who are, who need a place to stay that's not, it's 24 seven, but it's not locked up and secure. And that's gonna be on that property and there's gonna be programming for juveniles who are coming into our justice system where we can have them come in after school, we can monitor them, we can work to try to make sure they're going on a better path. And we did that in consultation with the Hawaii Housing Development Authority who basically funded the project and the legislature with the legislature support and Scott Psyche was instrumental in that, but we had the land. So that partnership, really a unique partnership I think is gonna play out in a way that's very, very beneficial to the community. So when folks drive up Peacoy, take a look at that building on the right, that's I think government working the way it should be. And Rod Miley, who's our administrative director was instrumental in working with Speaker Psyche and other folks from HHFDC to make that a reality. Wow, looking back down the course of your administration, you've done so many things and I've always seen you in a continue increasingly to see you as a vuncular, as kind as a protector of our state, taking us to new places and protecting against the risks and dangers of modern life. So I wanna thank you, thank you for coming on Think Tech and thank you for all the things you're doing and I hope we can do this again. Because I think it's really important that you speak to the people. Well, I really appreciate it, Jay. And like I said, you know, their voices that, I'm not sure they would be heard as effectively or as often in our community of Think Tech wasn't there to provide them with the forum. I'm very grateful to you and your team for doing that and appreciate the opportunity to be with you today. Thank you. CJ Mark Recton-Wald of the Hawaii Supreme Court, Aloha. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn and donate to us at thinktechhawaii.com. Mahalo.


This is Jamie with Out of Bounds with Jamie and Abby. Today we have Maddie and Tay with us and we're so excited about this. Yes. We are pumped. They are a female country duo with multiple number one hits, a loyal fan base, and a household name in Nashville really. Congratulations. You guys have had a great journey and we're excited to talk about it. Oh, thank you. I know. So sweet, but an intro. I knew I was rushing. It has been a crazy journey but I would not trade it for the world. The last one for sure. Sometimes we just like look at our life and think how in the world did we get here? And then there's some days when you're like stranded on a broken bus and you'll know where and you're like, how did we get here? You know? Start us at kind of the beginning of your relationship. I know you guys did not grow up together, right? But you met in a kind of a crazy way. Yes. So we were both going to a vocal coach. He had a place in Dallas, Texas and Houston, Texas and I'm from a town close to Houston. And so I was going when I was 15 to go just see if I even, like my family always thought I could sing but I think it's different when you go to like a professional. He was not a professional playing, but you know, stepping stones. And so Tay grew up in Oklahoma and she was going to his Dallas location. So he kind of introduced us and we hit it off as friends initially. We had really similar interests in like artists and music that we loved and albums and songwriting and Tay hadn't really started writing songs yet and I had kind of started that and taught myself guitar and all that. And I was like, well, you should come to Nashville with me because you'd love it. And just the songwriting process. And so really once we got in the writing room together for the first time in 2010. Oh my gosh, yes. Yeah, that's crazy. 11 years ago. That's nuts. Wait, how old, so you guys were in high school? Yeah, I was 15 at the time. I like went through my freshman year but by the time we had met, I was like, I am done with this school business. Because we were traveling back and forth to Nashville every other weekend. And to be fair, the school system was very different where she was from than it was like. I was given lots of resources. We had choir. She had nothing. Not even no band. No nothing. It was no band. Yeah, there was about 40 people in each in my class. No kidding. So like you didn't. It's tiny. Of course you wouldn't want to go to school if there's not like a no. So I just wanted to pour all of my time in music. And that's yeah, that was the best option for me. How old were y'all? Whenever y'all decided. I mean, I know you said at 15 y'all started doing that. But how old were you as children when you were like, oh, this potentially could happen? It was, I've never thought or wanted anything other than music. It's kind of, it's only a God thing. That's the only way I can describe that. Since I literally came into life on this earth side. It was like music, music, music. I was fifth grade actually. They had a career day at school. And I came home and I was so upset. Cause I was like, mom, they didn't have an option to be a singer. Like what the heck? And my mom was like, well, you know, you don't really go to college for that. And so I was like, perfect, I'm not going to college. And it was that day that I decided. And always, I always knew I'd end up here. Yeah, that's incredible. It did your family saying, like parents saying or anything like that, either one of you. My mom can sing. My dad, not so much. He likes to cry. But you know, he can like hold a tune, but he's like, he likes to sing by himself. He would never sing about it. That's hilarious. But my mom did like a lot of choir and sang at weddings for extra money and stuff like that. But for me, I, so the beautiful thing about art, like just friendship and partnership and all the things. Tay is like the dreamer, like head in the clouds in the most amazing way where she will like envision the biggest dream and go for it and get there. And for me, I'm a big dreamer too, but I'm super like the logistics. I have to like. You need the steps. Yeah, I need to. Okay, so we're going to do this to get to here too. And she's like, no, we're just going to do it. And so it's this perfect way. Cause like for me, I had like backup plan, ABCD, all the way down the alphabet after we decided to move to Nashville. I got my diploma senior year. Five days after I got my diploma moved up to Nashville and we just were writing like two or three times a day every day for about a year. And just building up our catalog of songs to present. And so, yeah, and Tay was like, we're doing this. And I'm like, I guess we're doing this. You need both sides though, right? Yes, cause I would not have moved to Nashville. Tay wasn't so like, I'm going.  So then we moved to Nashville and yeah, then God kind of just took over the rest. Yeah, I love it. So I did watch your reframed, which I think is fantastic. Thank you. And in it, you were quite nervous when you moved, right? Oh yeah. And like got homesick. I cried every day for six months. Like I mean people typically are like, I moved to Nashville and it's so exciting. So awesome. And that was probably more of your experience. Tay was just so excited. And I was just freaking out. Like I just felt so, yeah. I just, I think the reality set in of like, oh my gosh, I'm a thousand miles away from home. I have no one. I have Tay and that's it. And I can't really know plan B. Like at that point. Yeah, the plan B was gone. I had nothing else. And so I just like, I just felt so lonely and like it, it sounds so fun, but in the reality of it, that was, that was like, when I really started my relationship with God, like I've always had a relationship with God since I was a little girl, but like talking to him every day because I was so lonely. I was like, Lord, it seems like it's just you and I. So let's have a chat. Just a chill. Did you guys, did you guys live together when you moved here? We lived close to each other in the same complex. Yeah. And that was actually something that I'm glad that we did. We already knew how to give each other space. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I think if we were like living together and everything, that's just too much. Too much, yeah. Also, Maddie is deathly allergic to cats. And at the time I had my like childhood cat live with me. Oh no way. And so I couldn't go over there because I'd be so sick. So if I was like having a meltdown, I'd be like, I'm just going to have allergies because I just need to use the phone. But that explains why you were lonely too. I feel like there's a reason you like go to college at 18 and live with like four girls in the same like room basically because being alone is hard. Being lonely. Especially at that age. Oh, it's so hard. And like my now husband, I was dating then and you know, not being close to him was hard. And like, I mean you definitely have to sacrifice a lot. Anyone that like chases down a dream, not even just music, like in general, if you're not down to sacrifice, like just about everything, then just do something else because you know, I think that's what will separate you from like, it makes you great, you know, it really does like being able to figure out what that means. Yeah, exactly. And y'all truly are the best of friends. Oh yeah. Yes, I love that. I love that. I'm not going to lie, I ask Haley. I'm like, come on, are they really that close? And she's like, no seriously, they're best friends. You know, I don't know what that is because a lot of people don't see that. I don't know if it's like reality TV does, you know, with the women fighting or, I don't know what it is. I think it's the horror stories of duos. Like literally you just see them breaking up left and right. Like they don't hardly ever last. Like in like, you know, trios and stuff. Oh yeah, like if Tay and I had, God forbid something happened, we had to choose our friendship over our career. Friendship, that's what we put it first. I mean, especially that was like huge for us in 2020. It was like no matter what happens, our friendship is number one always. Yeah, like we make time now after quarantine for our friendships. Like we'll do double, you know, dates with our husbands and stuff like that. As long as we're locked in, everyone feels locked in. Don't talk about work most of the time. No, we never do. You need a break. Are your husbands close, friends or? Yeah, they have fun together. Sometimes like I'm worried they're going to get into trouble so we do need to supervise, especially with Tay's brother. When it's Jonah, Josh and Mason. Oh my God, yeah. It's so much fun, but you just never know what they're going to get into. That's hilarious. And y'all did, y'all got married like within what, six months of each other? Three months. Three months, that's nice. So me and my husband got married in November and then her and Josh were February. Yep. How was that? Planning the weddings like together. I'm assuming y'all literally planned them together. It was, hers was a lot faster than ours. So we actually planned for about a year and a half because we were trying to plan around the Keri Underwood tour. But then once Tay got engaged, they were kind of like, so by the time they were planning, we were already done planning. So it wasn't too crazy. Did you plan on tour? Maddie had to, yeah. Oh, you did. Because, wait, you got off the Keri Underwood tour what, like, October? Two weeks before our wedding. OK, jeez. Oh, wow. So it was crazy. I mean, it was the most magical, exciting year ever, but it was still just like. We all both look gorgeous. I mean, beautiful. I enjoyed watching y'all on Instagram through the whole thing. I'd love to redo our wedding day again. Like, relive it. Not redo it. Relive it. Because it was so freaking funny. You know what's so funny is I never wanted a wedding. And even after having one, I still could do without a wedding. Yeah, really? I don't know what it is. Tay never wanted one, but yeah. So why did you end up doing it? My hubby wanted one. Did he? And looking back, I do love the fact that everyone that we love was in the same room and got to celebrate and witness our connection and our commitment to each other and God. But I don't know if it was just Josh and I, I would be totally fine. That's all I needed. That's all I needed was Josh. Yeah. Yeah, I always envisioned my, like, I didn't really care that much about like the dress or the flower. Yeah, you were not a bridezilla. You were so not. I just wanted an epic dance party. That's all I wrote.  Everyone say yes. Yes. There were champagne glasses broke on your dance floor. I broke it. You got it. I broke it. And then I changed into my white crocs.  I'm like, if you don't know me, but this is me here right now, like this expensive-ass dress with some crocs. I love it. That is so cute. That is so fun.  Yeah, the day that we got, so we got married on a Friday, left for our honeymoon on a Monday, came back like a week later. And the day we landed, we actually flew to New York to do press. And that was the first time I ever heard of the word coronavirus. And I was like, what is happening? Was it March 3rd or something? And I was just waiting for her to get back. I'm like, she is coming in, too. I'll only for one week. What is happening? The tornado happened. Oh my gosh. Right before. It was so crazy. That was horrible. How did y'all manage, as far as with COVID, and obviously shows being canceled and things like that? How did y'all manage? I think I took it a lot harder than I definitely did. Yeah, when I found out that tour was canceled, there's a picture I took of myself. Why do we take pictures of ourselves when we cry first of all? I do that, too. I do. And I don't know why.  Let me take a picture, too. And y'all, what's up, man? Jamie, we're going to have to start. I know. OK, so it's just a lot of things. I have a shared iCloud photo folder for this. I'm all for crying pictures. Yes, normalize it. But sometimes I'll be scrolling back and showing someone a picture. And I'm like, whoa, that was a rough period. But I took it so hard. I think, for me, that was like, there's a lot of moments in life where you kind of have to untangle the web of, I'm not what I do. I am who I am regardless. And when I found out tour was canceled, I just had a breakdown. I was so sad. I felt like we had just gotten our momentum back. And we were putting out our second record, which was five years in the making. And I was like, a broken heart was starting to do well. So then we're like, oh my god, is that going to get taken away, too? And I took it really personal, even though it was happening to every single artist known to man. And human in the world. So one night, Josh was like, who is Taylor? Not Tay. Tay of Matty and Tay, who is Taylor. And so I texted like seven of my closest people. And I said, can you give me a couple words that you think describe me non-music related? And so many people had just be able, you called me brave. Aw. So many words that just like filled my cup and reminded me that I am who I am. You're more than that, yeah. Yeah, that's what got me through. I would say my moment like that in our career was whenever our label had shut down. I think it's the fear of the unknown. That really freaks me out and fear of failure. Those are the two that like really still I have to practice like every day. But I think like our poor world, like just the unknown and the uncertainty.  And it really, for me and my husband we really appreciated things differently. We appreciated time with family. We appreciated our health. We appreciated, you know, all these things. And so it did kind of put things into perspective. But I do think it's very, I think everyone felt what you were talking about. Like I think I just experienced, I had to untangle the, I'm not what I do a little bit sooner because it was driving me crazy. I was like, I'm only Maddie, I'm Maddie and Tay. And then I'm like, no. Like, yeah. But it's such an important lesson. I did the same thing when COVID started. Like my business is Nashville Guru. And so we, we're restaurants, we're events. We're like, that is our business. I've been doing it for 10 years, like you guys had. And so it's like, I was like, wait a second. Something you built. If I'm not working, what am I? And I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm all these things, but like, I find myself, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. But it's so good because you realize like, we're not in control, you know? And that's okay, really. And you know what? Our biggest success came from being still. The year of being still was when Die From Broken Heart went number one. And we didn't do anything to make it go number one. It was just meant to be. It's such a great song. That's why it went number one. Thank you. But the odds were stacked, y'all.  It took so long. It had, it was on country radio for like a year and a half before it peaked. Like typically a ballad from a female in the summertime, it's like a death sentence. Typically for a single on the radio. Yes. And God was like, watch this, but yow. Okay, cool. Do you think it's because COVID though, and people were like listening to lyrics in a different way and it wasn't like this fun summer of like, we're out partying and drinking and like, yeah. I think cause we asked these deeper questions, like can you die from a broken heart? How can he sleep at night? Like, is this always gonna hurt so bad? Like those questions that you ask your mom or like whoever it is that you look up to and it just creates deeper self reflection, I think. Totally. And y'all, y'all write, y'all wrote that song. Yes. Y'all write majority of your songs? Everything. Yeah, everything. I've only ever cut one song that we didn't write. Really? And you do it by life experiences and things like that? No, no other way. I know. Oh my God, y'all. I got really bit in the butt by that whole thing because we wrote a song about something really personal to me and I wasn't ready to really share it with anyone. Like sometimes when you write a song, it just feels like yours and you kinda wanna just hold it here for a second and then share it with the world. Especially when you're in the middle of it. Yeah. That's the hard thing. When you're like walking through the pain or walking through whatever, working through it and then you turn it into art and you're like, wait, I'm not ready for this. Oh my gosh, I'm still, you know, healing and, but yeah, we went into the studio and I was like, I'm not ready for this. And I just sobbed the whole way through recording the song and I was like, that's what I get for writing about real life, dammit. Oh no. But that's the, that is the beautiful part of it is because it is so emotional and it's so real. Like that's the one thing I love about you guys. I met y'all when we first moved here. Yes. Five, six years ago. Yes. And Hailey told me about y'all. Now when I moved from Florida, like honestly, I wasn't country music. Like I didn't, Brett Eldridge sat in my suite. I want to say the second or third game of our first season. Wow. I didn't know he was. You know how much? I had to Google him. People love that. That's hearing. I love when in that position. Yes. I love when people don't know who I am. Oh, that's so bad. No, no, he probably appreciated it. It's so nice to not be like, ah, can we get a picture?  What do you do? What do you do? And it's like, sometimes on planes when people ask that, they're like, what do you do? I own a touring company. That's what I always go with. Because I'm like, I feel like it's going to get weird. Honestly, sometimes when people ask me what my husband does, I'm like, oh, he's in sales. Yeah, I know. Because you just don't want the 5,000 questions. You don't. It's just like so much. And that's when I met your manager, Hailey. Yes. And we became fast friends just like. She's the best.  And then I met y'all immediately after. Yes. And what I can say about y'all is what you look on camera and the way y'all speak, that's truly y'all. Like, you are so genuine. Thank you. So being 15 years old, all of a sudden getting this limelight, you can't tell. It did not go to your head whatsoever, you know? And that's amazing. I know. Sometimes it's a bad thing. Because we don't feel like superstars.  But in reality, that stage presence is not, I mean, it's a part of us.   And I'm just like, what? What's wrong? Oh, oh yeah. Hey. Hi. I'm Maddie. Nice to meet you. Oh, right. I was thinking maybe there's a bug or something like that. But I just think that our job requires a lot. It demands a lot of attention. I just don't want to give up who I am for that. No, it's the only way to stay sane. I know. Yeah, T and I are always like, if one of us starts getting too big for our britches, we will knock each other down. And it's never happened. We never get, or if I say something, T is like, is that your ego, or is that really you? And I'm like, oh, it's the ego. You're so right. We check each other. We do a gentle check. I feel like we do that. Yeah. A gentle check. Oh my gosh. So y'all were pretty much love at first sight. I know we were. Abby and I, I'll tell you a cute story, because we haven't said it yet. We interviewed a couple of people to be my co-host. And one of the things I told someone that was doing the interviewing with me told her, I was like, we're going to do a test. I said, I'm going to order a cocktail at lunch and order one with me so that way I'm not alone. And let's see who orders one. Because I like my wine. I'm not going to lie. I mean, that's a part of me. I like my wine and reading. That's my love. See, that's what you know. I literally spent two hours in McKay's book store yesterday. So this is like Nashville Natives, McKay's book. I love it. Got to go there. So we went to Restoration Hardware, and they had the best Bellini's there. I've never eaten there before.  Oh, y'all have. That's amazing. Let's go have some drinks. And the Bellini, what kind is it? I think it was peach. It's a peach Bellini. I ordered one. Carly ordered one. Sure enough, Abby ordered one. And I'm like, yeah. And then we couldn't stop talking. It was just, and I'm like, I got out of there. I called Carly, and I was like, this is it? I was like, we found her. Don't you love that? I love that as a woman. I don't know if men also experience this, obviously, because I'm not a man, but women, we have that gut intuition thing that is our superpower. And sometimes it's my worst enemy. I will literally have physical problems with my stomach. If something doesn't feel right, and I'm like, something ain't right here, I will feel it in my gut. But I think it's one of our many female superpowers.  Locked in, this is someone that I want to dedicate time to and spend time with. And then there's some people where you're like, got a blast. That's what my sister said. Is it hard for y'all to make friends outside of the music world? It used to be for me. But I feel like you're the social butterfly now. What happened? You know what's interesting is I was kind of taught to fear women, because I was sort of taught that they would always be jealous, and I should be intimidated, or that they just wouldn't be genuine connections. But Maddie was the first girl I know that I met that I was like, this person doesn't want anything other than just friendship and connection with me. And then from then, having friendship with you, because it was hard for me to make friends in school. But when I moved to Nashville, I have so many friends now. And if I would have told my 15-year-old self that I would just have be surrounded by such strong, empowering women, I would have been like, no way, but I am. I love making friends now. Yes, I can imagine. Going to high school with 40 people. I mean, you don't really have a selection of friends. Exactly. So you either love them or you hate them. Exactly. And then the odds of there being mean girls in there are real high. It sucks that that's a rite of passage. Like my sister-in-law, she is 16. My husband's one of five. So she's the youngest. And she is the only one that hasn't had to deal with mean girls in high school. Maybe we're learning. Maybe we're all learning. I think we are learning. And I'm just like, thank God. It doesn't stop. I'm older than all three of you. And it doesn't stop. It's just not cute. Like, why are we doing that? But does your daughter experience it or has it gotten better? You know, it comes and goes. So far, it's been fine, both of them. I think we're all more educated and we're educating. Like, I have a six-year-old and she already has girl stuff.  And it's like, I think the moms are now teaching the kids. Yes. No, you're happy for them. It doesn't matter. Celebrating others. High five. Dang, good mama right there. But I hope we can end that cycle because it's so true. And I'm glad you're finding that people aren't jealous. And they're just genuine. And that's Nashville, though, too. Yes, I think so too. And I feel like you attract like what you give out is what you're going to get back. So like grumpy people are probably going to attract more grumpy people. Like, spiritual, good, happy vibes. Yeah, what is it? Your vibe attracts your tribe. Yes, exactly. It's like the most Pinterest quote. But it's so true. I'm going to just get it tatted on his eye here. Yeah, baby. And my tribe is Tay. Right, oh my gosh. I do have friends. I don't know if y'all feel this way, this question for the class. I feel like your time. Like, I really like to be intentional about who I'm giving my time to. And not to be like my time. But just like, you know, that's energy that you're giving. And if it's someone that maybe depletes you of your energy, is it worth it that those kind of things. I feel like all of us after quarantine, and maybe I'm generalizing. But I feel like I'm a lot more particular about who I'm spending my time with, you know? Oh yeah, it's part of getting older. It's like, you're just like, I don't have time for people that are happy for me and give me energy. And I don't have time for a nap. I need a nap. I don't need B.S. Especially the mamas over here. Y'all really need a nap. I don't know what I'm complaining for. That's the thing. It's like, like this weekend, I was shuttling to concerts. I was shuttling to the Williamson County Fair. And I'm like, oh my gosh. You know, it's just you don't have time. So when you do have time to do something, you need to make it meaningful. Exactly. Like intentional. Exactly. That's what I told. So Hailey, for people that don't know that, is our manager. She's our ride or die. She's the reason that we have gotten this far in our career. Her and JT, that team is just amazing. And I'm glad that we snagged them up. We started this thing with Hailey, where we like to like name the year. Where like 2020 was the year of stillness. So like just being still and letting be what it is. And I feel like this year is all about intention. Like career moves, like who you're spending your time with. Books, I'm reading like everything. It's almost like too much. But I like intention. I like intentional, you know? So what kind of books do you like? Oh, God. Oh, God. Okay. The next time we are having wine at this, because I can totally have a glass of wine. We could book club it so hard. Yes. So Tay and I are gonna, are we still gonna start our book tour? Oh yeah. Okay. You're doing it on the Kindle. Yes. So it's one of the- Oh, you're reading one. I thought you were gonna write one. You should write one. You should write two. That's on my book. Yeah, that's all Maddie. I didn't want to write a memoir before I'm 30. You should. Which is really ridiculous, because I'm 26, I only got four years. You can do it. You can do it. But you know, I'm just trying to manifest. You have a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. But okay, we're gonna start this book called The Sanatorium or something. I don't know, but it's the reason. You know what I'm talking about? Like I want to read it with y'all. I have it on my bookshelf. I'm gonna read it with y'all. Okay. And I need a book next. So right now I'm reading the people that we meet on vacation. Yes. Did you read that one? No, but I heard it's amazing. Even my 16 year old said, Mom, I see that on TikTok. It's supposed to be a good book. Yeah. What? What? How do you know this? I know. I'm gonna read it with y'all. I'm gonna read it next. Tay is your self-help queen psychology stuff. Love a good psychology book. Mine, I love like a thriller-y kind of thing. You and Jamie are on the same page. Oh, I love it. I like reality TV, reality books. Did you read the Jessica Simpson book? I did. No, I haven't. Girl. That was the best. You would love it. It was awesome. I'm a huge Jessica Simpson fan. It's so beautifully written. Great, yeah. But yeah. I actually listened to it, which I enjoyed. Because she's the one that narrates it. Oh, she does? Yes. That's cool. That was really neat. She talks about hard things in that book. She sure does. She sure does. That's impressive. But yeah, I'm a big thriller person. I used to be like a romance rom-com. And then, I don't know. I just haven't, I don't know. I just feel like I can always call the end things. And that's what I like to watch Lifetime or something for. I kind of want my books to be. Yeah, totally. Sometimes, I still like the rom-com only for like, especially the beach, because I'm. Like the escapism. The escape, exactly. Did you read something in the water? Did I? Oh my gosh. I have every, I want to say I did. Was it whenever the, I don't want to spill it, whenever somebody drowned? No one's drown, oh, maybe someone did drown. No one would be drowning. No, it's not. OK. No, but I think someone does drown, but I can't remember when.  Oh, OK. No, I have no idea. I can't get down with that. Oh, it's so good. I read it at the beach. That's what made me think. I have not read that one. What do you read between music videos and recording? I don't know. Writing and like, what is this happening? On the bus, in the bunks, now that touring's starting back up. So now, since we're going on tour with Brett, young this year, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have so many books to read because I don't have time at home because we're working, even when we're home, and then on the road and stuff. But sometimes I'll sneak in, I'll get in bed early and be like, oh, I'm so tired. And then I'll go read for like two hours and just gas. Like, I love it. I need to hear about the woman you got video because it looked like it was a blast. Yes. And that was their hubby's. That was in it. Yes, I love that. But what is that house? That's actually, I think, a wedding venue. But it's called the Cherokee Dock Estate. And they have weddings there. But it's literally a giant property with houses and pools. But it's Reba McIntyre's old house. Oh, it is. Because that closet, I was like, that has to be something like a history. Closet of my dreams. It was so fun. It's the Hannah Montana closet. Like for us, Hannah Montana was such a big deal whenever we were in high school. We were a little too old to be watching Hannah Montana, but we still watched it. For sure. But she had that rotating closet. And so it was like, we got to live out our dream. For me, it was Clueless. Oh, yes. Clueless. I love Clueless. Clueless, Legally Blonde. Those two, actually Clueless, Legally Blonde, and. You did risky business. Yeah, risky business. Like there was a lot of film inspiration. But basically, Tay and I wanted to make it like, just because the whole song, Woman You Got, is just about, as women, we have so many layers. There's so many facets to us. Like it's amazing. But it's a lot. And we know it's a lot. And so we just wanted to showcase the most extra versions of ourselves, like cooking in the kitchen to wearing stilettos in this Chanel outfit. Dogs. Oh my gosh. It was so terrifying. On my Instagram, there's like a little series of photos of me almost eating it, because it's like cobblestone with high heels. And these dogs were actually pulling up. And I was just like, there it is. And the director just kept yelling like straight face, like superstar. It looks sexy. And we're like sweating.  Like, oh my gosh. It's not as glamorous as it looks, but it was so fun bringing that song to life. Oh my gosh. It was such a good song. Thank you. I loved your outfit, Tay. When you're sitting on the counter in the kitchen, I was like, oh, I would love that. That's my dream outfit, just sweat. I love it. If we could live in that, like if we could perform in that, that'd be great. But it's just not, like you kind of have to show up. Maybe in a couple years. I mean, I feel like you have to dress for the job you want. I don't know where I heard that. And it's like a couch potato. It's not what I'm going for. Abby and I were actually texting this morning. We're like, okay, what are you wearing? What are you wearing? And then I'm like, I don't have clothes anymore. I mean, I have clothes, but number one, COVID is like, you said it's the stillness year. It was the eating and drinking year. Girl. So now I got that. I got that you. 14, 15, and I got it off. And so yeah, it took a while. So we're like, we've got to do some shopping because we can't do this in sweats. I felt that same way. Like right when March started coming around, I'm like, okay, so when we're actually going to go, I need some clothes. We had no heads up. I was pale, I needed clothes. So typically in the beginning of the year, we kind of game plan, like January, February, and March are typically for us, like gearing up. Yeah, gearing up for the year, whether it's an album release or recording music and kind of like planning out our year. So when Taley was kind of like, hey, this is what the scoop is in March. I was like, I need some clothes. I ain't got no clothes. I mean, I do, like you said, but just, and you know, I feel like I have such PTSD from the beginning of our career, whenever we had no money because I would wear the same outfit like a lot. Our fans were ruthless. They were like, oh my God, Maddie's wearing that same maroon shirt. I'm like, dang, I haven't been home in six months. I can't, oh my God, yes, I would really say that. Yeah, but I think they weren't like our real fans. It was just people on the line. And I'm like, I don't have the money. How do you guys deal with that though? I bet it's hard. I kind of just stopped reading comments, honestly. I just don't take it personal. I realized that like people that treat people that way that they don't even know are in a lot of pain. Yeah, and that makes me sad for them. Like it makes me more sad. Trust me, I want to like throw punch all of them. Oh, I bet. But like, and not just for me, just for if I see ugly comments, I'm just like, but projection is real. It is so real. And so literally what Susie says about Sally says more about Susie than it does Sally. But it's a tongue twister. But you know, I feel like I learned that when I was like in third grade, but it's so true. Like if someone's saying something, it's the way they feel about themselves. So every time we read those comments, it's like, oh, they're having a hard time. But you know what's awesome about our fans is they go after them before we even see it. Like they are so sweet and protective and like they will be like, they'll message us like I reported that account and I blocked them and I'm like, yes, girl, you get them. So it is really, really sweet. Our fans are just like good, sweet, kind people. I miss them. I can't wait to like go out on tour this year and go and see them and hang out. I wish, you know, we can't really do meet and greets and stuff like that with COVID, but at least we'll get to do live music, which is it.  Yeah, no. We haven't had any bad stalkers, but I mean, I don't know. No, we've had it pretty, pretty chill. Yeah. I don't think we attract that many crazy. Well, in my personal life, like just in general, when I go to the store. Maddie attracts. Oh, I attract the weirdest, most odd people. And I just want to talk to you. Yeah, I've had that because they know who you are. They just brand them. Just, it's literally my whole life. I think it's a cancer thing. Like you're just, I don't know what it is. Like I'll sit at the nail salon and I'll get sat next to some lady and she'll just be like, I just got her divorce done. And I'm just like, oh my God, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, it's really weird. You're too nice. I have to, I've been trying to practice my, give it your best. RBS. Yeah. I just, I got nothing. Like I just can't do it. It's awful. My face looks too like, hi, come talk to me. I don't own it. It's what I love about you. It's cute. It's good. It's a good thing. I know. I have a lot of like crazy travel stories like taking care of strangers' babies and then puking on me. Oh stop. Oh my gosh. Then I got puked on twice in 2018 on Plains and I was just like, God. Were you holding the baby or was it next to you? So should I tell the story? Yeah. This is an interesting road story, shall we? So long, this is a very long story. Long story short. Our guitar player broke his leg on a glacier in Switzerland. That's a lot in one sentence, yeah. He broke his leg, had to be life-lighted to the hospital, emergency surgery. We played two shows without a guitar player. Oh no. It was just like traumatic experience altogether. But so on the way back, he was cleared from the hospital to get back to the States and we needed to get him back to get into another surgery, yada yada. And so I didn't want him to get blood clots in his leg. He had to put himself, he had to put a shot at every 30 minutes or something. So it wouldn't get his leg to keep blood clots from happening as this whole thing. So I thought I was doing the Christian thing and I gave him my first class seat and I took his economy seat. No good deed, it goes unpunished, okay? So I go back and it's a young couple with a baby and I'm like, got this in the back. I'm a baby person. I serve as parish in the kids. Yeah, yes, I would love to. I love babies, I love teaching them at church, all the things. So the baby's super squirmy and just like wah and they're trying to put the baby to sleep and so I'm like, hey, I nanny'd for about six years. Like if y'all need to eat your dinner or whatever, like I'm happy to help with the baby and they're kind of like wah. And then the baby was just so out of control that they were like, can you? And I'm like, yeah, sure.  I'm like, no, and they're like, whose kid is that? And I was like, this lady over here, I'm just like rocking this baby. So I get the baby to sleep and they're like super appreciative, whatever. And so I'm like taking care of this baby for about four hours or just helping the parents because I'm sitting right there. Like I just feel like it's gonna be a better experience for me if I help them put the baby to sleep, whatever. Sure. And so at the end of the flight, just baby stomach was upset and just threw up all of me, had to throw away my favorite jacket, so sad. Oh my gosh. So those are like, that's like one of the many crazy stories on the road. It is fun. But that's so nice. You're so sweet. That's like a kind thing to do. Right, I just, I think I'm becoming less kind because I just, I'm like, it's backfires every time. It's totally backfires. Oh my gosh. Tell us about the tour. Tell us, when does it start? Yes. Actually, Labor Day weekend today. Yeah, Labor Day weekend, it starts off in Palm Springs. Caliville, I think, that's the kickoff, which is Brett's shebang. And I'm so excited. I know. It's definitely gonna be fun and interesting in a different way than we're used to touring, but we're so hungry to play live music and the fans are so hungry to see it that we're just grateful. How is it different, just like protocols and stuff? Yeah, I mean, there's like a lot of venues that are requiring vaccinations or requiring a negative COVID test. And I totally get it. And normally we do like three meet and greets, like one two before, one after and we get to see our fans hug their necks and like have some one-on-one time, but we don't get to do any of that. Yeah. Oh, that's sad. Yeah, that's sad. But we've been texting a lot with Brett because we're like, you know what? Since we can't see them, we just wanna bring the best show possible. And so we're super excited. We're gonna start talking about what kind of what we wanna do together and what the vibe is. And we've kind of put our set list already together and we probably should ask our fans if there's anything that they really, really wanna see because sometimes we'll leave off a song and they're like, what the heck? And I'm like, I'm sorry, dude, we almost have three albums. Like we're putting out a third album soon, so. Are you putting the third album out before or after your tour? After the tour. Yes, yes, yes. So we're shooting for January, basically. Yeah, we're doing a photo shoot for the album cover and we're kind of putting all the pieces together right now, so. That's a fun start to finish. How long does it take for an album to form? It depends. I feel like we wrote a majority of the album. Right now we've cut about what, 18 songs? Something ridiculous, which we'll scale back and make into one full project. But we wrote a majority of the songs in 2020, so that's like a year. And then this year we're doing the photo shoot and the album artwork and everything, so another full year. So probably like two years. It's almost like, I think from turning in the album to getting all the assets to getting all the promotion, like there's so much that goes into it. It's probably like a year, a year. I think it may take us longer because we write all of our songs and we're really close to it.  We'll be like, this needs to go back and be fixed. Yeah, good. And our team, I mean, they expect greatness from us and we expect that. Right, of course. And it's wonderful because then everyone is just like, all on the same page and working hard. I always feel like if the artist isn't outworking everyone else, like something's not right. Like it needs to kind of like start from the top down, like the work ethic. And then it kind of inspires everyone like, oh, they're working hard. They're being inspired and having ideas and stuff. And then it kind of just creates a good juju. That's awesome. So it was five years between your first and second. And then it'll be only two between these two, right? Yes, so between the first and the second was a lot of variable change that we were not expecting. That's really when we learned how to like, catch a curve ball like a champ. Yeah, because the record label closed, right? Is that what? Yes, and then like that happened and like anything that could fall apart that like year did. And so we were kind of just, it was like a, I don't know, I feel like we kind of experienced like 2020 feelings back then because we kind of felt like we lost everything and had nothing. And that wasn't the case, but it just felt that way. And then we kind of just had to rebuild and restart. And then our second album, it was like perseverance kind of paid off on that one. It was a lot of character building for sure. In your documentary on ReFramed, it said that y'all were, y'all were, you were wanting to go home. But then your first song, which the video. Girl in a Country Song? Yes, that video is insane. It's so cute. It's hilarious. But all of a sudden, that was so ridiculous, right? It just all of a sudden took off. Oh yeah. And you were, you were homesick at that point. Oh, I was, I was, I wasn't ready to like quit. I was just like, oh my gosh, is this, and I think every person that moves to town for the dream that we're chasing feels that way sometimes. Like even after you've quote unquote made it, you're always like pushing for the next thing. But I don't think I ever really would have gone home. I think I'm a little too stubborn. I think I would have stuck it out, but I wanted to go home. What is, what is like a piece of advice for, there's so many females wanting to make it in this industry. Like I'm sure you talk to your fans all the time who are wanting to be where you are. Like what do you tell them? I think time, like it's definitely not something that can be rushed. Like we are almost 12 years in to our career. And so you have to want it and you have to be willing to sacrifice some of the things that maybe you don't want to. And networking, you just have to know the right people and you have to be in the right rooms at the right time. You have to live, breathe and eat it. It has to consume every part of you. And then it's not always that way. It's just that way in the beginning. You just have to give every ounce of everything to it. And then once you get that burst foot in the door, then there's not as much pressure. It definitely gets easier over time, but just the grind in the beginning totally. Which people don't see, right? Like I always hear people be like, oh they just overnight sensation, like whoever they're talking about.  Oh yeah, well we were always too young to play the bars. So we just had to play in the street corners. Like we would do, like Puckets would let us play too. Yeah, cause it was a family restaurant, but like we were 17, like we weren't even 18. So they really couldn't let us. Yeah, so luckily God protected us from that. Cause I feel like, I don't know, it's a hard environment. Like that is hard. Those bands are out there for like four hours playing the same set like three times in one night and making like maybe a hundred dollars. Yeah. They're so good. Yeah, it's crazy. They are. I know they are. I know, so much talent. Yeah. For sure. Well I love it. Y'all are such an inspiration to so many girls. One thing that I don't know if, well I'm sure y'all would remember, my daughter has diabetes and y'all did something for me, for JDRF. Y'all had an ice cream gathering. Yes. So that way we could donate to our JDRF and I've never officially thanked y'all for that. But that was so amazing. And the family that met y'all actually reached out and was like, that was the best experience. So thank y'all for that. Oh gosh, our pleasure. I know. Amazing. We take pride in making sure that like when we do have those interactions, it's a good experience and memorable and fun and happy and cause there's people that look up to us and there's some little girls that we are their hero and I'm like, I need to be their hero for like 20 minutes and just, you know. Right. I don't know. I feel like. That was amazing. That's our job. That makes me so happy. And we're sitting down eating ice cream. Don't pull our leg, are you kidding me? Selflessly love to. I mean duh. Well, we appreciate everything for today. Of course. Thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on this and everything. Thank you y'all. Thank you. I love seeing women just freaking. Me too. Go for it. It's an adventure and it's, I mean, every time we see each other we're like, have we known each other before? I mean this is like. In a past life. Exactly. Sure. It's crazy. Thank y'all for having us.  Thank you. Thank you. Let's turn it up now.


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It's safe to say that Sydney Sweeney is quickly becoming one of Hollywood's ick girls. Most recently, she's back portraying Cassie on season 2 of the HBO hit drama series Euphoria, which is trending all over to put it mildly. It seems the actress is celebrating her wins, too, with the purchase of a $3 million starter home in the Westwood neighborhood of Los Angeles. While many young stars are throwing money down on modern farmhouse style abodes, Sydney chose something different for her residents. A historic pre-war house with gorgeous and well-taken care of interiors. Sydney Sweeney seems to be living out her Hollywood dreams and we couldn't be happier for her. Not only is she booked for plenty of acting gigs, she just purchased her first home as well. She is best known for her role on the hit drama series Euphoria, where she has starred as Cassie Howard since 2019 and has also had roles on shows like The Handmaid's Tale, Everything Sucks, and White Lotus, alongside Alexandra And that's just to name a few. Her acting skills don't stop at TV series either and she's been in movies including The Voyeurs and Nocturne. While Sydney has clearly solidified her spot as one of Hollywood's most bankable young stars, she also has her own production studio and is working on her first feature film, both producing and acting in it. Sydney has been long determined to be an actress, even convincing her parents to move to LA at the young age of 12 with a business plan and it seems she succeeded. Now she can enjoy her very own home in the hills.  If you want to know more about her life story then be sure to check out our video over on Famous Life. Don't forget to like, subscribe and hit me up on Instagram to chat. Now let's get into this video. After spending most of 2020 in lockdown with her beloved rescue dog Tank, Sydney has been on a roll with her work schedule, starring in a handful of series and of course the latest season of euphoria. Outside of her hard work, Sydney has been keeping busy in her personal life too, recently buying her first home located in the Westwood area of Los Angeles, California. Westwood is a busy neighborhood in LA, offering the UCLA campus along with Westwood Village, which is a historic district with restaurants and stores. There are also cultural attractions nearby, including the Hammer Museum and Fox Theater, which is a landmark movie palace that often hosts impressive movie premieres. It's also close to Century City and Holmby Hills, the posh mansion filled neighborhood where celebrities like Kylie Jenner live. Sydney is said buying her first house was an incredible, humbling, amazing accomplishment and it's definitely a milestone that she should be proud of. It seems that many others also like the actress's new home considering a bidding war broke out, to which Sydney won at 305K over the asking price. For the three million dollars she invested in this home, Sydney's residence has plenty of history, but it's also been well taken care of. While many stars in their early 20s offer newly built homes, often in the modern farmhouse style or resembling a contemporary tropical villa, Sydney marches to the beat of her own drum and she decided to buy a historic Tudor traditional fusion property built in 1933. The pre-war era abode is getting close to its 90th birthday, but that doesn't make it any less valuable and it doesn't appear to need too much work done to it either. Her home is on a tree shaded lot that may need some landscaping but spans about a quarter of an acre of land and offers both space and privacy. Built during the Great Depression, the house was last sold in 1972 for just over 85 thousand dollars and somehow those owners took great care of the crib for all those years. Sydney's new home is humble and far from posh, but clocking in at 3,200 square feet of space with five bedrooms and four bathrooms, it's definitely big enough for her and Tank. Not to mention any family members or friends she also wants to invite over. Since the quiet home is up on the steep hill, Sydney has to travel up some stairs to get to the front door. If that doesn't work for you, there's another option, the personal funicular, which you can see in the photos that runs from the garage down below up to the front of the home. Sydney's new home offers warm and inviting interiors which have been kept in amazing condition by the looks of it. While I think photos don't show the residents as chic or trendy, it looks comfortable and welcoming. There's a main living room that offers plenty of space, a brick fireplace taking up most of one wall and large wood beams overhead with flooring below to match. The hardwood floors are likely the original ones and they continue into the bright dining room where Sydney will surely be able to entertain. She can also invite over her euphoria castmates with how spacious these rooms are or perhaps just the co-star who's also a real-life bestie, Maud Apatow. The formal dining room also has a stunning chandelier overhead as well as a set of casement windows looking out to the front of the home. Now let's look at the kitchen. While I'm sure Sydney is a fan of this home's character, the kitchen, well it might be pushing it. While it's warm, functional and well-kept like the other common rooms it's decidedly more outdated. Upon first glance it's fully decked out in wood with pine cabinets and not so impressive parquet wood floors until you get a look at the white appliances. While they don't look old and seem to be in good condition I think that Sydney may just give this room an overhaul and class the space up with some stainless steel appliances. Also on the main floor of the home there are two potential guest bedrooms with their own on-seat baths one of which was set up as a blue wood paneled sitting room. Moving upstairs you'll find the three further guest rooms along with Sydney's master retreat. This might just be my favorite room in the house and it looks like the ideal space to get some much needed alone time or time to relax with your dog. Sydney's master bedroom boasts high vaulted wood ceilings for historic charm along with plenty of floor space, a red brick fireplace and a cozy built-in window seat perfect to curl up with a book or in Sydney's case a new script to read over. Moving on to our on-suite bath if once an all-white theme which looks polished and fresh as well as double sinks a built-in tub and separate glass shower. This bathroom is also giving me total spa vibes. I'm just wondering if those neatly stacked hotel style towels are included in the place too. This bright space also appears to offer the perfect lighting situation for Sydney to get glammed up for one of her public appearances or red carpet events. Moving back downstairs one of the welcoming guest bedrooms also offers plenty of space and sliders out to the garden. We can also see there's a lower-level office which doesn't feel as warm as the other rooms in the home but I'm gonna guess Sydney will give it a makeover to fit her personal preferences. Considering she's also a producer now I'm sure she'll have some work from home to do here as well and contracts to go over. In fact Sydney studied business in college mainly to be able to go over her lengthy Hollywood contracts herself. One thing that sucks is that Sydney's property doesn't seem to have a pool, a feature which I would consider a Los Angeles necessity. However the lot is flat and spacious so if she wants to install a pool Sydney would have the room to do so with plenty of grounds left over. There's a covered lounge area off of the home for outdoor dining as well as a barbecue and brick patio while the garden might need some fixing up. Either way I'm sure Tank will have a lot of fun running around back here. While Sydney is now seeing the results of her hard work and success life wasn't always like this for the star. The actress had been pursuing a career in Hollywood for decades and only now is becoming a recognizable face. She grew up in Spokane Washington in a different lifestyle from what she's living now in LA. Her family home was on the border of Washington in Idaho and in fact she remembers growing up with no internet in the house. The star says she found other ways to occupy her time being an athlete and having an imaginative spirit which she's grateful for in the long run. She may be living in a multi-million dollar house now but Sydney said about her hometown in an interview. It's a different way of life out there. It's very simple. Family is everything. I was in every single sport possible. Not to mention while Sydney's move to Los Angeles ended up being a grand success her family had to give up a lot for her to pursue her dreams. It was hard to keep up with the cost of living in LA so the Sweeney's actually had to file for bankruptcy losing their family home in the process. However their daughter is extremely grateful stating, I'm really thankful to my parents. They sacrificed almost everything. They had to leave their home. They'd been in for their entire lives. LA is 10 times more expensive than where I grew up. All the financial stress, family stress, it had a lot of wear and tear on us and my parents ended up getting divorced. It was not a happy road to get to where I am right now but I tried to give back as much as I can. Well it may have been a long road but it appears to be paying off in big ways. All right now we've taken a look at the home of Sydney Sweeney so I think that brings this house to her to an end. While this is the first property for the rising star chose character just like I would expect from her. The home may be historic and slightly modest but it's still beautiful and charming as well. What did you think of Sydney's first home? What did you like or dislike? I personally like the character of the place and the only things that I would really change would be renovating the kitchen and adding a swimming pool to the yard. Either way I'm sure that Sydney and her dog are enjoying it. Be sure to let me know your thoughts down in the comment. Thanks for tuning in. Don't forget to follow me on Instagram and I will see you all in the next video. Bye.


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