Yes, how are you? Welcome to Wikitree Bingo on a Friday night. And guess who I brought with me? I brought Jamie with me. We're kind of twinning today with the hair, I think, in the glasses. All right. I am so excited, Jamie, that you're here because we have had almost every programmer that works with Wikitree in the apps on Bingo. And now we got what I consider the hachies. So Jamie is the project leader of Wikitree's app project. And you might say, well, I don't know what apps are. I'm not sure if I use them. I'm not sure why I would use them. But I bet you you are using them already. And I bet you we're going to show you some that you would like to use, but you didn't know was available. So Jamie and I kind of talk beforehand. I am going to give a whirlwind tour of just a couple of the tree apps. And then we're going to kind of dive into what the apps project is before we hit Bingo for our first game. So let me go ahead and share my screen real quick. And I think everybody can see this kind of talk. So I'm just going to use a notable that I've been working on a week. You probably know if you've been to Bingo, you should know this gentleman here type cop because we had him on Sports Notables Bingo two weeks ago. I've also been working on a CC7 and keep that in mind. I've been working on a CC7 because I've been using an app to help me find CC7. So let me go through a couple things.  And I'm just going to show you a whirlwind tour of a couple of them. Have you ever really wanted a nice, clean, easy printer view to print? If you're like me, sometimes I like to print out the really difficult brick walls and make notes and do all kinds of things just using my pencil or my pen. Guess what? That is an app that we use. How about the Ancestral lines Explorer? I know this one because somebody in my project pulled this up and said that they like this view. And what you can do is you can kind of color your brick walls and you see the red, I've colored my brick wall. So I know exactly where my brick wall is. I can go and explore it. You know, when we get that extra five minutes of time that we're not working on other parts of our tree, then I could come and explore it. Or I could just click on one of the options for the names and boom, it brings it right on up. Again, got to this from that tree app tab and I just happened to pick the Ancestral lines Explorer. Let me move on to the next one. This is the good one. This is the good stuff. This is the CC7 views. So I'm working on Mr. Cobb's line. I'm trying to bring his CC7 up. I can go digging through all his lines and through his in-laws and through his cousins and through all these different options just by clicking through the profiles. I quickly get lost doing that, I might add. But this tells me where I might have some availability. So right here, my very first purple that I see, this column tells me that this lady has zero parents. And if I don't believe it, I can click on her and darned it wasn't right. Zero parents. So that tells me right there. I go back to my CC7. This is the second degree. So adding her parents would be the third degree. So that gives me an idea that I can work on. Something else kind of really cool here, if you click on one of these that needs additional help, I might think, well, what happens if they died young? We've got an answer for that too. Because as I scroll down, you'll see a couple died young stickers there. So I know, okay, this one doesn't have any parents or children or spouses, but they died young and they're not going to. So this tool is really, really awesome. Now, Jamie, I'm going to ask you something real quick or we might have to come back to it. The number one request that I get is how do I tell if somebody has worked on my CC7, my number went up? And how do I tell? And I can tell people this is kind of what I do is I come down to this table here and I click the modified. You can see who's been working on this line lately in that kind of gives me an idea. But I think probably the easiest way to find out. Okay, track that. And it's really helpful too, because you're in the CC7. So you're already here in CC7. So this kind of also helps you and tells you now this is modified. So it doesn't necessarily mean created. I think the created would be the supposed to be the date that it was created, not the person, right? So it'd be the date the profile was created. And this is probably these are some older ones as well that were currently with with the created field. So we're working on it. But this is the CC7 views. Love this. This is really awesome. And I only have it up to the third degree. So you can you can go up a little bit further. Okay, and let me for this. Okay, the family group view maybe you like to see things just a little bit different. And I like to bring this view up because Jonathan was with us with the readability views that he was working on. Another programmer that volunteered his time for apps. This is very large. It's larger to see it's a little bit easier to see and figure out. So I like to bring this one up if you have readability needs or concerns and it also lists the children all in a row. I like seeing the children kind of listed separately on more of a vertical than a horizontal. Again, these are all just the three apps and the fan everybody loves the fan. Mr. Greg Clark and don't forget Greg will be on the Saturday roundup tomorrow morning live with Max and Betsy. The fan I mean the fan he's done tremendous work with this fan as well and I love it. If you have a lot of pictures in your ancestors files or profiles in wiki tree, it really looks cool when you bring it up. It really looks cool. And this is really interesting too because it's white space because we don't know who it is. So, and I agree, Steven, this is a very big other apps. The one that is you can actually have automatically in the wiki tree browser, which we didn't have before is the bio check. And I love the bio check because it tells me if I've got any suggestions or if I need to fix or change anything. So for Ty Cobbs, you can see he's missing one of the profiles that are connected to him is missing the reference tag. So I could just click on the profile go fix it and be done. This is done by K. K just creates this. So it's a quick check to make sure that we have everything neat and tidy. This is the best way to explain it. And the surname generator. We talked about this before everybody loves a surname generator create the names change the colors. Copy it on to your clipboard and then put it on your profile. We see it on a lot of profiles as well. And the brick wall. Who doesn't love a brick wall, right? So if you're trying to crash down a couple brick walls on and this is again Ty Cobbs. I can see that there are quite a few that we need to work on.  This isn't going to be a quick and easy thing. But you can find them instead of clicking through his line by parent, grandparent, great-grandparent on and on and on. You can find them. Now, why is all this exciting? Because volunteers did it. Right, Jamie. We have volunteers that came in and joined the project and started creating apps. I guess did some of them create them based on people saying, hey, I would like this? Or did they like something and want something and said, hey, I'm going to create this? So I think it's a little bit of both. So when I created my first apps, I wasn't on the team yet. I don't think I was even a leader. And I created missing links basically to help me. There used to be something called connection combat. So I created that to kind of help me win. And then I love it. Like I just did it for myself and then I kind of shared it and other people liked it and gave suggestions. And I know like Alish, I think made wiki tree plus before he was a team member to just from the data. And I think he just was interested in statistics. And now all the features he's added requests from people. I know Ian. Most things that he added to his browser extension wiki tree B were from requests like people would request something in G to G and he added to his browser extension before sometimes I even saw it. Like, oh, well, now we don't need to add that to the site because it's already a little bit of both like sometimes people just like have an idea and they have the skills and they just, you know, they go for it. And other times they'll see a request in G to G and go that's an interesting idea and do it or or someone will be like, hey, can someone do this and someone will just pick it up and try to make it happen. And I think that it's really interesting for those of you that were here. Definitely, I would say before 2019. I think 2000, maybe 2019 we started to see a little bit of sneak peeks of extra little tree apps and extra little things that we could do to manipulate our tree and see it. But if you were here before and I started in 2016, none of this wasn't here. I had to do things the hard way.  And then I'm really bad with numbers of birthdays. I tend to get them confused. So I copy and paste all my birthdays on and on and on and on. So for those of you that were in the thaw in this past weekend, and I say, I always ask everybody past their thaw and exhaustion because that was that was a heck of a fun thaw. I guarantee you those that placed high or those that got probably over 500, I'd say, but definitely those over 1000 did not get there unless they use Sorcerer. I'm just going to take a guess there. So that's something else that we didn't have way back when I started that Sorcerer is here. And that's Rob and Rob came to or been good a while ago. Some of you, I think B, you can still use B a little bit to copy over information. But Jamie announced to that that Ian has a G2G post up that has just a few items left on B and then B is gone. Is there a way to share that in there? There is. You can just drop the comment. You can just drop it in the comments, the link. And the thing is would be that when I say it's gone, it's really not. You know why? Because it came into the wiki tree browser extension. So what happened is instead of kind of everybody working separately, everybody started to come in together and say, let's work as a group and team. And let's do something called this wiki tree browser extension, which is really great because I didn't have to download a whole bunch of different extensions. I could do the wiki tree browser extension and get it kind of all at once. And I already know that Carol, Miss Jamie has informed me that she will get in touch with you and we're going to get wiki tree browser extension installed on your computer before you go on vacation, by the way. We can do it.  Yeah. We can do it. And B is definitely, they're phasing out because those features are in what Ian had in the B. He's reporting over everything he can over into the wiki tree browser extension. There are a few things that if you're not sure, he's probably not sure if you really need them or want them anymore. And that's where he's asking if you need them. So it's really good news that these programmers have come together and come in and they are working together for us. They're volunteers. Just like you're a volunteer adding profiles and sourcing profiles, all these programmers are volunteers as well. So how did this start? How did somebody say like an Ian or a Rob or a K or Steve Harris, how did this start and say I want to do something? How do I get it into wiki tree? So how did the apps project start or just... Yeah. So I think the app project has been around for probably longer than I've been on the site. I think one of the first apps was probably Root Search, which is the link that you can find on profiles. Yeah. So that was Justin Yark and he also did the Family Search Connections app. So I think those were probably the first apps. And then there was a basic API, which would let people write a program and use wiki tree data to make something. But there wasn't really a ton of activity. And then we also had data dumps available where you can get a copy of basically everything on the site. They're huge files and do stuff with that. But that was mostly used by researchers wanting to write papers on genealogy sort of stuff. And so I think... Yeah, so there wasn't a ton of activity. And then Alesh started doing wiki tree B and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. And I saw the apps project and I joined and I made an app. And then Chris eventually was like, hey, do you want to lead the apps project? And I was like, sure. And probably at that time, I bet you had no idea it would lead to where it is today. No, no. How fantastic it is and how all these people come together wanting to do it. It's amazing. Yeah. And then slowly other people started joining and making stuff. I think Greg had made a lot of apps. And then Ian joined and then he's just very prolific in creating a bunch of different features for people. And so I think, especially with those two, and then other people saw like, oh, like there's actually a lot of cool stuff you can add. And just more and more. And then last year, I had the idea for Hacktoberfest. And I think we got a few more people involved. And especially since we started two open source projects for people to contribute to shared projects. Because before everyone was kind of working on their own thing. And so there wasn't a ton of collaboration in between the different developers. But now, like, you know, we're all working on the same stuff. And that's getting to know each other. And it's good. Like collaboration like makes stuff better. It's yeah. You know, you just said it. You said the magic word. You really did. So when we talk about collaboration, usually in Bingo, we're talking about the other projects working together. You know, the United States project might work with the Canada project because of the migration going back and forth. And then we talk about how the Native American project might work with the United States project because they're there as well as the Canada project as the first people. So we talked about the collaboration and the shared. But your collaboration is a completely different one that is kind of hidden behind the scenes. They all came together to collaborate and create these apps that quite frankly, we can't live without. I think there was a blip about a week before the thaw, maybe a week or two ago. There's a little blip or something with Sorcer. And I know my project, we all freaked out. And it wasn't really a blip with Sorcer. It was just kind of like, I think the wiki tree was resetting or something like that. But we thought it was, we all freaked out. We all thought, how are we going to thaw without these tools that you gave us? And like you said, if we had all these extensions and we're going out and we got to keep track of them. And if you're not computer savvy, it's tough. It's really tough to keep up with the updates. And because you guys sat together and came together, then you give us pretty much what is called the wiki tree browser extension as well as the new ad system. That's kind of part of the wiki tree browser system. And all of Ian's tools, if you use clipboard or the notepad, how about auto bio? If you use that, these are all things that also was be incoming into the wiki tree browser extension. So it's pretty cool what you guys have been able to do in a short amount of time. And if you were a participant of the Hacktoberfest, it was fun. I was on the testing side. That was my forte. I used to test in real life. And that was fun because you got to work with you guys and see that you guys are really actually humans. You're not robots behind the scene plugging away code, except Ian. Ian might be a robot. Ian will plug away code day and night, I think. But it was cool. Are you going to do another Hacktoberfest? I hope to. I don't know exactly what we'll be working on yet, but I do want to do another one. And definitely look out for that because it's something that was really kind of fun for the wiki tree members to work with the app groups and the developers and kind of get an idea of what they're working on and what their needs are because they're busy coding as well. And if we can sit here and kind of run through what they're adding and what they're coding and kind of see if it works or not, they appreciate that. They don't take that as an insult or criticizing. They take that as, oh, that was helpful. Let me see if I can fix that. Yeah, definitely. Any sort of feedback or bug reports or anything like that on apps is super helpful. We won't get mad. No, not at all. I wish it was this. It's very helpful to get feedback. And it's really funny because I often, if I see something or I have a question mostly, not that I see it above, but mostly I have a question. I will DM Ian on Discord because I know it was a B thing. And I get an instant answer sometimes like Jamie and I were left. No, don't get an instant answer. I get an instant fix. He's so quick with everything. Ian takes very big pride in his work. He wants things to work. If you find a bug, he does not mind. If you sit there and say, hey, this doesn't work. And if it wasn't a bug, he explains it in a way that you can understand as well. So I think it's really great. Now I see that Carol, this is a good question that I can tell you that most of the developers that I know have just started from the ground up and worked. There's so many different programming languages as well that you use. And most of you guys know probably at least, well, gosh, now I was going to say three or four is probably much higher. It's probably for up five or six. My dinosaur husband of a developer. I won't tell you the code while days all the way back. So he's, he's got some older, older skills. But I think it's your curiosity. Wouldn't you say you have the love of it and the curiosity to make. Make it a program and make it work. And I think quite a few of the people in the apps projects are retired developers. And so maybe they didn't, hadn't worked in most of our shared apps are in JavaScript. So maybe they hadn't done that before, but they, they, you know, they want to do something now that they're retired. So they're learning how to do that. But yeah, like, especially during Hacktoberfest, because we all had to come up with an app that we could all work on together. So like a lot of us were learning new frameworks or new libraries or, you know, some people had never worked in JavaScript before or had never worked on a browser extension. And so, so yeah, a lot of it, it's just you, you're interested and you like to learn stuff. So it's kind of in your wheelhouse already. So you kind of pick it up. And this is a good time for Chris to ask this question. What language do you all use? But I think we should also mention too that there is a wiki tree code that we will never see that's, you know, protected. And then there's the app code. So could you explain kind of the difference and then also what language do you use for the apps? So, yeah, there's the main wiki tree site, which is mostly in PHP. I think some of the connection find, I don't know what the Lesh wrote the connection finder in, but I don't think it's PHP. So yeah, so that's all closed to the public. And then for our shared app, so which is the tree apps and the wiki tree browser extension, those are in JavaScript. And then there's other apps that people have done. And those can be, we have a we have a server that it's called the app server that people can get a little space on to host their own standalone app. And those can be written in PHP, Perl, Python, or front end JavaScript. So, or if you have your own web server that you want to host something, you can write it in whatever you want. Yeah, our shared stuff is mostly JavaScript. And those are the more common languages that you're going to use for web browser use, correct? Can you repeat that? Sorry, I was reading. The most common languages that you use for web browser. Yeah, yeah. But I have pause and hesitate, though, because a couple years ago my son learned Python. And he was so excited because he'd get in the car and he'd say, well, the computer in your car. Well, that was Python, you know, and so I got to hesitate. When I say that is used, some of these languages are used most commonly for web browsers type of programs. They're also widely used around the world for all different types of. Yeah, like JavaScript used to mostly just be like front end web stuff, but you could do back end stuff. Yeah, Python, I think can also do some front end stuff. Maybe I don't know. I don't do Python very often. And also I just got to laugh because this is where we have fun with Bingo. And everybody, we're going to start the Bingo game in just a moment. But this is where we got to laugh because we have all kinds of people and their skills in the chat. We have some that just know how to open up the computer and hit the on button and use a mouse. And that's fine. And then we have some that are in the chat that have been working for 20, 30 years as a programmer. And that's cool because you guys can share and collaborate. And when you had Chris ask what type of language do we use? And I just got to love Carol for her humor because she puts up English. Because that's what kind of keeps those that have a lot of experience and those that don't. This is what keeps Bingo fun for us as well. So I love that. Thanks Carol for bringing it. There were a couple of comments. Mike said, what about Ruby? I don't know if anyone's written anything in Ruby and I don't think our app server handles it. Okay. That's a new one by me. I don't even know. No Ruby. And then someone mentioned HTML and CSS. Yes, we use those. And then for the wiki-tube browser extension and also the dynamic tree. And then tree ops. Python. Here's another question about Python has several front end frameworks. So that's good. And let's see. Okay. I think we're set. So do you guys want to start the Bingo game then? Let's go ahead and start the game. Then we're going to come back and we're going to talk about a couple of things. I've had a lot of people. This is the first show me a lot of people send me questions as well about the apps. Some are feature requests. Some are just general questions. And we're going to dig into those and also talk about if you are a developer how you can get involved if you have a need for an app. Okay. Here's the Bingo card one more time. And I just want to mention, let me bring it up real quick. That to win Bingo, you can do diagonally horizontally vertically. There is a free spot in the middle. I think it's the wiki tree apps kind of block logo. So go ahead and click on that now. That's a free spot. If you're new to Bingo, if you click on a space that you did not mean to click, just click it again and it'll deselect it. But the first person who gets a bingo is the person who gets that vertical diagonal or horizontal and also yells it in the chat and says bingo. And that's really important because sometimes we get talking about the words and when you yell it, I can definitely see it. And I said this at the earlier bingo today because we had a one with us. If you are joining the wiki tree games next month, those of you bingo already have a head start on what to do when they have some games that they're going to do during the wiki tree games hangouts. They want everybody to just kind of yell. Four corners is a no. So vertical diagonal or horizontal. Okay. I love this. They're dating themselves by which program they first learned. I love this. Okay. Jamie. Oh, now we're talking dial up mode and we're going to talk about Commodore 64 is really quick here. I can tell the little cassette drives and things like that. Okay. Jamie gave us these words and luckily they're not in Polish like they were earlier today. Okay. Let's go ahead and start. And guys, we'll go through this pretty quick. So Chrome. That's a browser. Oh, no. We're talking DOS now, Jamie. They're having fun with this one there. Browser extension. So how do I explain, for example, to Carol, what exactly is a browser extension? Because I think we use the words app, but it's really extension. Yeah. So browser. So first of all, browser is what you use to access the internet. So common ones are Chrome. Firefox. Internet Explorer was an older one, which some people are still use edge. Safari. So those are, those are the main ones that are. And so an extension is basically a program you install in your browser that adds extra features. To the page. Usually what it does is it, it inserts some, some code into the web page you're viewing. To just add extra stuff.  And as soon as you download this browser extension and it's just click, it's not heavy duty. It's really kind of just a click. Then it's there and it's packed full of goodness. You open it up and all kinds of goodness comes out. The clipboard, the auto bio comes out. Some of the tree apps. I mean, it's just really, really a great little package is the way I explain the extension to the, the wiki tree browser extension is anything can be turned on or off.  So I will tell you that would be one of the other questions is who decided on pink for a link in the new browser extension. That was probably either Ian or Jonathan. Because we did get a computer. That's kind of what we're playing around with. So that's kind of the big boxy thing that your keyboard and your monitor kind of attached to. I'm just starting out of words. Code repository. Okay. What is this medical Carol? This definitely sounds medical. So code repository. We because we're working on shared code, we need some place to store it where each where everyone that wants to work on it can can get the latest version to their computer. So we use this a code repository called GitHub. So like that's where our shared code lives. And like if I wanted to make a change, I download that code to my computer, make changes and then upload that code back to the repository. So everyone else will have the changes. And then the code, you know, you're not messing with the live code as we're here sitting around doing things on wiki tree right now. And they go, oops, I did, I did a typo, you know, so that kind of is why it helps to download and then upload it back up and get. So that's going to be your GitHub. So, so get is, is our version control that we're using. So, so, you know, on wiki tree, if you make a change to a profile, my plant just fell over. I was going to say kitty or puppy. So on wiki tree, if you make a change to a profile, it has a little line that says, you know, like somebody changed the biography and you can click and see what happened. So get basically does the same thing, but for code. So if you make a change, like people can see, you know, what's happening and you can revert the changes if someone did something that totally messed everything. And I should point out too that if somebody yells bingo, do not close down your card until we confirm bingo because if somebody has won in the past six months, they cannot win again until six months has gone by. Sometimes people went and won bingo, but they like they like hanging out. They like learning and they like playing the bingo game as well. They'll say bingo, but keep playing. So don't ever close down your bingo card. Discord. Now, Discord can become a little bit of an addiction for some like that. You know, I'm not raising my hand or anything, but I think Discord is one of the best things that wiki tree has done that's not on wiki tree. If that makes sense. It was my idea. There we go. It took a long time to get it going. Like I think it was up for maybe a year and a half or two years before it really took off. Just because I think Chris was kind of a bit nervous about taking more of the conversation off of G to G. But I really like this. I like chatting real time with people and that that's where a lot of the apps members where we talk about stuff is Discord. We have four channels, I think in there. So I can tell you it's just really, really cool because it allows you to create a community based on your project. G to G is more to me a community wide. And then Discord lets you kind of narrow it down a little bit. And in our particular project, we even have where we'll mention books that are reference books, research books and even gotten down to novels and fiction because it all plays into the culture of our project and we share the information. Also, one of the books that we recently shared, the author just became a Nobel Prize winner. So she connects into our project. A lot of times if you put that on Discord, you might not see it. Sometimes Discord, if it's a chatty day too, it'll keep going. Excuse me, G to G. Discord too. But G to G, it just keeps going and sometimes you miss what is being posted. But Discord, you have a chance to catch up or somebody will catch you up if you've got a real chatty one. But I just think that Discord is so wonderful at community, narrowing down your community. And there's a couple other things too. Like I think if you do, and I hate to use Germany a lot as kind of an example, but it's because I used it. If you do like the at sign Germany and Wiki Trees Discord, somebody in the Germany project will see it and come to your rescue and say, do you need research help? And I think all projects are kind of like that. So it's really, really cool. And I agree with Steve and you can thread things. So we have research. Some brick walls that we thread and people will come in and out of our Discord or members to kind of look at it. It's just fabulous. It's fabulous. Okay, let's keep going. So data. I guess we need the data and we're providing the data as well. Right. If we do a profile. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the data comes from is from people adding profiles to WikiTree. And here's a good question too. Is there a Discord channel and Discord that might help new members? Is that the general Discord and WikiTree? I think the general would probably be the best place to ask because that's where the most people are. And a lot of people do jump in. Yeah. I don't know if there's a specific one for new members. And documentation. Do we document all our code? So we have documentation for the API, which is what people use to get data from WikiTree, which is open source too. So people can add to that. And then we, if anyone likes writing documentation, always use help. We recently had a member join the app project just basically to do documentation and testing. That's fabulous. Yeah. So I don't know if you've seen the WikiTree browser extension, like Space Page, really added his name is Murray. He added a bunch of great stuff to that just to make it easier because I think a lot of programmers don't really like to spend time on documentation. They like to code more. Coding is more creative. It's more of a mystery and a puzzle as well. So yeah, I agree. So yeah, if anyone wants to help with documentation. If you like to write biographies, if you're really good at writing and you like doing like the notable biographies that take a lot of time and a lot of detail, this would be the same to help with the documentation. If you're like, well, I don't know how to do the documentation. So that's a good way to kind of get your foot into what apps project is all about. And the app is kind of what we're talking about. I think sometimes we use this word in the extension word, you know, the same. They are different, but we kind of just say that. Is there any sort of application that someone makes? Because I think the other extension, it could be a standalone app. It could be, you know. And it's a good point. Like Sorcerer is a standalone. Greg's fan chart is within Wiki Tree. So it's a bug. And we're going to ask you about this too after we get our bingo winner. But code gets bugs. It just happens. Yeah. It just happens. So we're going to ask Jamie and talk a little bit more about if we see a bug or if we think we have a bug, what do we do? And it's not colleague's Terminator. So you're safe with that too. Okay. Oh, Patty. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Yep. So DSL wants. So Patty won. Congratulations, Patty. I might tell you guys too that if you were in the Thon, Patty was in the top two with the Thon. And Patty, it loves B. I know she loves B and I know she loves Sorcerer. So if you wonder how Patty got all those numbers up there in the Thon, it was because of a wiki tree app. So congratulations, Patty. I wonder what you're going to get, Patty. I'm really curious. So you do have a couple of choices. What you're going to do is you're going to email Ewan. She's going to let you know the link of what you can buy is up to $30, a wiki tree branded store. And literally just entered into the store. And you can see the link of the 15 anniversary items that came in. The shirts and the hats and the things like that. So Patty, congratulations. That's pretty cool. Well, let's talk a little bit real quick. We did talk about. So here's B. And B is going away. So if you're using B and don't be sad because almost all of B is in wiki tree browser extension. Yeah. So it's basically in charge of the wiki tree browser extension. So. And I'm going to put here and put it up one more time. Definitely you guys check this out. This is Ian's latest BD2G. And he's asking you, hey, do you still want these? Because if you don't want them, I'm not going to include them. If you want them, then I'll include them. So definitely check that out.  Now. Wiki tree decided to keep sourcers separate. And why is that? So Rob had already done a ton of work with tests and stuff. And so it would have been pretty difficult to combine it with what we were going to do with our shared browser extension. And plus it mostly deals with external sites. While the wiki tree browser extension is mostly just editing wiki tree itself. And wiki tree sourcer is also open source. So if you have programming skills, you can add features to it. So. And Rob is asking, especially if you have a foreign language or if you search foreign document search. A lot of us use ancestry. A lot of us use family search. But depending on which country, they have different places that they keep their documents so if you do have a foreign language, Rob is saying it helped me out.  He's pretty good at what he's doing though. So I'm pretty impressed with what he's adding. But if you do have something that feel free to get in touch with Rob and let him know. Oh, no, that's the wrong link for the bingo card.  And let's try this one. I love you guys. Always keep me on my toes. I love this. Okay, in the fan chart. So this one's mine. I showed you a little bit of Tycopter. I wanted to show you this because this is showing all the pictures that's showing the Mary. You can change the colors. You can change the options. You can say show pictures. Don't show pictures. You can do so many things with this in. I know for a fact that this was built. And then it was built specifically by Mr. Greg Clark because I was testing it out with him a little bit and looking at it to see if I like the pictures. Do I like where the Mary date is? Do I like the information that it displays? How about the colors? So you can go primary colors, customize your colors. This is pastel colors. And good. Okay. I think we've got the right bingo card now. How do you get the colors? There is, let me see if I can. It's kind of hard to see. But there's a little wheel here. And it has tons of options. I was so surprised that Greg added in all of these options because quite frankly, I think he could have just gave us a fan and we would have all been thrilled with it. But no, Greg said I'm going to give you guys a lot more to go with it. So I thought it was really cool. And it's really interesting to see this. Again, this is a volunteer that's working with the WikiTree apps. And Greg will be with us, I think, in two weeks. He's got a new app. I think he's working on that. He's going to show us. So another app that I wanted to show you guys that you might not know of. This is Steve's Harris Cemetery Map. And you might think, okay, so there's some cemeteries around. But let's say that you're kind of, you know, weird and wacky like me. And you're going to go look for a particular area. So if I click on this and I type in the name of where I'm looking at, it'll show me exactly where it is. So number one, it's not GPS, but it's pretty close to telling me how to get there. And I can also go out and change the options so I can see other cemeteries that are nearby. So if I have a grandparent buried here, but maybe I have a great grandparent buried here, and to me, I see WikiTree becoming more and more cemetery focused and I love it. I love seeing a little bit more focused on it because WikiTree can give you the full profiles in bio that the other place cannot. And a lot of us know Steve as the guy who sets up and works with the projects, but he's also does some programming work as well. BioCheck. I love K and I love to say K, your app is a love hate. So we talked about this earlier with TideCops, but I thought I'd show you something that is mine. I got a lot of work so you can see and I've only have taken two generations. So I've got a little bit of cleanup work. This though is in bio. BioCheck is in WikiTree browser, so I don't need this separate app. It's on in WikiTree browser. And then when you say, when you get ready to save the profile, you get that big orange block that tells you profile is sourced. Or you're missing something. I think there might be some features in the standalone version that aren't in the browser. I think you're right. A little bit more detail I think as well. This tells me the reference that count, and I don't think it does in WikiTree browser. I'm not sure if it does or not. But again, and I want you guys to know K has had this around. K has had this around and I was thrilled to see it integrated into the WBE. I thought that was great to see it and I see that she's also done a lot more work with it. I just think one of the best silent apps that have been around on WikiTree for a while that you might not have known. And Steven for the GPS definitely talked to Steven Harris about that as well, because he works on it all the time. Okay. So let's say that I am a developer and I want to get involved. What's my first step? It would probably be to go to the project page. And then there's a little link for developers, I know as well. Yeah. Newer page. And you do need to know some basic programming language. This isn't for somebody who has never heard of certain words like we had in Bingo. You don't want to dive in and drown. If you know a little bit of programming even if you're not great you can still join and we can help you out because the best way to learn how to program is to program. So even if you're not super experienced that's fine. We can help you learn and also I think one of the easiest ways to do it is if you do have the inclination to kind of learn and you want to help the project go in on the documentation side you'll pick up kind of the code and the idea of what they're doing really, really quickly. I used to create training manuals and you pick up on all kinds of interesting things that the programmers are working on. I don't want to go into too much detail with what this is but could you explain for those that and you do provide the large file, the database dump that they can practice their code and write their code against, right? So the database dump is more for if you need to process a ton of data so it's good for things like Wiki Tree Plus like what Alessia's doing where he needs to get a bunch of statistics and stuff because the files are so huge it may not be good for beginners so most people just use the API which is an application programming interface so basically you ask Wiki Tree like give me the data for this person and it will send you back some data and then you can take that data and then use it in a program however you want. And if I get the database dump it's all or nothing. I can't say I just want Canada or I just want it's all or nothing. Well there's five different files I think so it's sort of split so I think you get all the person profiles in public so we don't give private profiles and you get marriage data in a separate thing I think you get thumbnails of photos in another one so it's sort of separate but yeah you can't just be like I just want everyone from Canada or with a Canada birthplace you would have to separate that data out yourself. Okay so it is going to be a large file then going to ignore that drop for that bingo card one so ignore that let me give you this real quick and as we come back over now let's go ahead and do some questions that we have okay so and if you guys have any questions as we talk about this feel free let us know. So Jamie what is the best way for people to make suggestions and then what is the best way to report bugs so it depends on what you're having an issue with so if it if it's for the wikichu browser extension probably just contact Ian either through discord or send him a private message because he's in charge of that he's my project coordinator he finally accepted the role I just noticed that I thought that was good I did notice that I asked him quite a while ago he's like no I like I don't he's like I'm just collaborating I'm like yeah but you're doing just so much Ian so he's finally project and he's in charge of the wikichu browser extension and then if it's sourcer that's frog and I think yeah contact frog we know that as well Margaret try that second bingo card that I brought up that should work the way happens like if it's I guess if it's like K's app do we contact K for that if you know who programmed it contact that person directly okay if you're not sure you can post in G to G with the wikichu apps tag so that's WT underscore apps okay so someone will see it if you post there we also have a google group which anyone can join so if you've had a question you could post it there and all the developers would see it and their google group is on their their page now there's a good question do you have a discord channel for development yes so we have four I think so we have just the wikichu apps channel we have one for the wikichu browser extension one for the tree apps and then we have a hacktoberfest one which isn't being used much right now but will be in october coming up and I kept this picture up because of two things so the scarf with the piano that's Greg and I think a lot of us know him as well from the saturday roundup alash is standing up but the person that nobody knows you know the secret mystery person on the left can you tell us who he is so Brian is the team member he's kind of like my co-manager for the project so Brian has basically programmed 99% of the wikichu site like he's been here since the beginning of the site he's like the man behind the curtain he's not much into to being public face but yeah so he does muscle programming for wikichu tree the core wikichu tree site and he created the api he yeah he does kind of the framework of what you see yeah that's him so he does comment in our google group if you ever need to ask him a question about the api or the data dumps or something like that he will comment there but he doesn't really frequent like g2g or discord so for developers that's going to probably be your best deals to go to their google group so we talked about how people can contribute if they have coding skills definitely go to the project page and there's a lot of information there's a developer link there's a link to show you there's links to good hubs as well there's a bunch of links yeah you can always just email me jamie at wikichu tree dot com definitely if you see something as well then go ahead and you're not sure who developed it or who should contact jamie's your point person jamie's perfect what platforms I think that's a little bit of time but what platforms do you develop on or for not sure so for the browser extensions we have a version for chromium based browsers so that would be chrome edge things like brave there's probably some other ones a lot of browsers use the chromium base as their thing the version would work for those we also have a version for firefox mm-hmm and then safari I was gonna say drumroll what a safari version and it's waiting on me I'm sorry it's been tested though there's a weird behind the scenes stuff because apple's a little bit of a stickler like you have to pay money and give them information to make sure we weren't some scammers imagine that a whole bunch of wiki traders coming at you at once so yeah I'm hoping to have it released officially by the end of the month and that'll work on will that work on IOS can I use it I know rob has an app for sourcer on iPhone will wiki tree have the WBE as a and I assume there will be a small charge only because apple charges you know we're not buying poles and mansion off of this this is just passing wiki tree browser extension shouldn't charge that's even better that's great yeah I think wiki tree covered the cost of the account and since we're talking of the wall I think that's chromium base I think it is I thought it was and platform hardware standalone server cloud y'all are hitting me with questions that I generally don't see on genealogy bingo so wiki tree the app server is on Amazon web services so that's cloud a lesh has his own server for wiki tree plus I think it's actually in his house also I know not this thumb but the thumb beforehand he just got it because he was doing a hangout with us and he was so excited to set it up and he said it's quicker faster and great I want to say that helps handle the wiki tree plus in the cc7 so so his server I know it's for his actual business wiki tree isn't his it's like a side gig and I think the connection finder actually I think the connection finder runs on our service and then keep in mind too that we did confirm that your connection or your cc7 updates twice an hour top and bottom of the hour we found that during the fun okay we're running a little bit by so we still got one more bingo game so get your bingo card up what features are in the pipeline can you tell us any inside or information uh I don't know like I know we're working on adding a couple of things to the api so I know Ian needs a couple of things to get some features he wants working so and then this brings this so for you personally what is I'll say is not are what is the best feature so far to date for you personally well the one I use the most is the distance of relationship feature in the browser extension because I just find it super helpful my watch list is huge because I do a ton of connecting work and I wouldn't orphan the profiles after I added them so I've been trying to so now like I can look up there and be like oh like this person 23 degrees for me I probably don't need them on my watch list you know I will also say that little circle that you guys see click on it every once in a while if you add people it's a little quicker tip I love that I love seeing a profile and seeing how close I am to them it's become a little bit addictive as well as the CC seven number going up we already talked about there will be something like a hack excuse me Hacktober and the favorite feature in apps I think we kind of talked about that as well with the connection to you but I also love the clipboard I am totally addicted to the clipboard as well so I was really thrilled with that and we talked about Safari support so what is the most requested enhancement from non developer members and exclude out Safari Apple I mean Safari definitely is the biggest I know you're inundated with that I'm not sure because usually people suggest stuff and if it's further we could do browser extension and gets it done like sometimes before I even see the suggestions that Ian's now I did have one feature request and if you guys have feature requests definitely reach out to Jamie and let her know I had one feature request something kind of interesting going on we'll talk about it more afterwards but if you went into your search for categories and you typed in the word Mariner some people had a different list that was kind of interesting but they were wondering if you could use like a library of congress or a card catalog in a library style to list out for example the occupations that were there so if you had Mariner then you know at the head then you could have very men or tugboat or fisherman or something like that all the way through so that the Thoracist I've also been asked to ask you about spell check for biography um so I think people's browser should pick up on that spell check feature I think there might be issues if you use the advanced portion of it thing yeah it may not work that I'll have to look into that but if you have any type of feature request now's the time really now's the time because if Jamie's collecting some of these items and I'm pretty sure Ian's probably going to be watching this as well maybe not live but maybe watch it back um any feature request they love them and they love to hear them and they love to see what you guys are looking for and as Jamie collects these this might become a Hacktober best type of environment too so that's really cool okay so let's go ahead and talk bingo again for bingo vertical diagonal horizontal go ahead and click the crazy computer graphic in the middle that's your free space so we give you one free if you went in the past six months you cannot win again until six months has gone by okay so let's go ahead and open open source can you kind of explain to those that aren't in the programming world what open source really is so it's basically that no one can see the code and anyone can modify it so it's kind of like an open profile on wiki tree where you know it's open you can go in and and change it that's a great way that's a really great way to explain and wiki tree sourcer we did talk about this is Rob Avey's baby that he created and if you miss the bingo with Rob it was about a month ago really enlightening because the part of the reason I love doing this bingo is to give live demos and to have the projects come in and explain their projects or explain their research but with all of your particular IT people that came on I like showing that they're actually human they're not a robot behind the scene and it was great to meet Rob learn who Rob is as well as his love of creating IT apps it was really cool to meet everyone the project is super nice like he really and at the very end we got to meet his cat so who knew Rob was a cat person so love that okay prettier so prettier is is something we use to make sure our code is all consistently formatted because so imagine if you if two people were working on a wiki tree profile and when you say or like maybe you you put extra lines or something and then it would notify the person the other person like oh there was a change but they would look and it was just extra lines so that was what was happening when we were saving our code it was like we were getting there all the files were changing because there were extra spaces somewhere or something so prettier has solved that problem for us where all our code is formatted the same when we save so we're not getting notified that 300 files have changed when you know my code added probably easier to debug as well yeah yeah okay so Jason is how it's basically the way data comes from the API so if you're writing a program you ask the wiki tree API like give me data on this person it will give you back like a blob of data and the format that that data is and it's Jason so you have to take that and then put it into something usable and stable this is the word stable for the wiki tree browser extension we have two different versions for each each browser type that we have so we have a preview version which has some experimental features which we want people to test out and then we have the more stable version which is supposed to have been tested more sometimes but I mean there's always bugs that people find so if you don't like running into bugs you're probably better using the stable version if you want the latest features you probably want to download the preview on the preview I use the preview and I like it because it does help me see where you guys are going and I just I'm like a kid at Christmas I want to open up the presidency beforehand but I do also want to give a shout out to you guys that this lawn was busy this was the most people signed up I mean we were busy busy busy and apps hung in there with us you know the back behind the scenes everything with wiki tree hung in there with us and can you imagine how many people at any given five minutes during the fun was using wiki tree browser using the clipboard or the auto bio using rob source or it would be an insane amount and they all were stable they all stuck with us so npm is kind of a very technical term uh so it stands for node package manager um for the browser extension we use that to automatically create um to basically make our code more modular and it automatically like creates different zip files for the different browser versions and it's just it's a nice thing to have. It kind of makes you more efficient too there's a lot of work because you do you have to program for a lot of browsers and now adding the safari and that's a lot okay that has to do with git and github so uh you you know you download code from github you make your changes and then you you put it back on the server but before it gets accepted into the code base you have to make a pull request so someone has to check it to make sure that you know like someone isn't adding a virus into it I mean not that because it is open to anyone anyone could request to make a change there are a few of us that don't have to request like ian jonathan me I trust not to put viruses in so if you're not one of those people you have to like say like this is the code I changed and then someone will check your pull request to make sure it's good and then it will get added to the code base and that's important that everybody also heard that too so there are safety factors kind of built in here and that's kind of where jamie's going with this so we're not going to introduce a lot of wild and crazy bugs or viruses and things so the next thing you do is you open up you know Elvis's profile and it comes up with a ton of bugs and you can't get rid of his music for 24 hours straight or something like that so there are things in here safety that are built in tree apps that we kind of talked about that that was that tab on every profile there is that link for tree apps I highly encourage everybody who has not used that because it's kind of hidden people kind of blow past it use your own profile go have fun with them there there's there's so many tree apps and that you have to have a link this is other apps in the section so have fun with it enjoy the tree apps and explore I actually really love the printer I use that more than I probably should the other apps on that tab are just those are apps that have not been added to the tree apps code on github yet so they're standalone apps just they could be coming they could be headed that way yep in source code well this is this is the language this is what builds everything right yeah yeah so it's basically the what we're kind of talking about the the code that's stored on on github that we all are working on and again if you're a programmer you we know that you know these words so if you're a programmer and you see this and you have an idea you know contact Jamie reach out join like a lot of people had never used github or or or done collaborative programming before the hacktoberfest so like even if you aren't even if you don't know you know we'll teach you and I gotta tell you that there are a lot of young members as well when I say young I mean like really young adults as well on wiki tree and I'd love to see them that are going through school now in learning how to become a programmer learning something in the IT I'd love to see them become part of the project too because I think that the mentorship from the Ian's and the Rob's and the Jonathan's and Jamie's would be really really great I don't think so Carol I think you're still good testing and testing I you know from my own experience if you're gonna put something out there you like to kind of have others test it to kind of make sure it works pretty simple for easy to do and trust me I can tell you that for example Ian and Rob I know they test before they put everything out but as Jamie has mentioned sometimes little quirks and bugs happen along the way and if you find something then they don't mind they don't mind being told this is great so we've got our second bingo Kirby let me go ahead and tell you what you need to do so you're gonna email anyway and let her know that you won the bingo during the apps project and she will get you the link to the store I think I do have the store link too so for those of you that are curious for the winners what they're picking or what they can choose from it's up to $30 at value this is a wiki tree branded store feel free if there's something you want to buy go ahead and buy as well but Kirby you are the winner so congratulations and I will tell you without a doubt the bingo mug is the number one item in the store but I think it's gonna quickly dissipate because Eoin just introduced into the store the collector edition 15 anniversary shirts and mugs and things like that for wiki tree so pretty cool so guys if you have any questions for Jamie please reach out to her she's the project leader of the apps project you can find her on that page as well you're in gtg a lot too you're also in gtg answering our questions technically the community technology assistant for wiki tree I see her everywhere any questions ask me any bug reports anything I definitely will be letting Carol I'll give Carol your information get in touch with you because Carol I promise you Jamie can get you all set up with wiki tree browser I kinda hate to hear when somebody says they can't figure it out because it's so good you need it you need these tools to work with and Carol does a lot with one name studies as well so I can see auto bio really well for her as she goes through with it so guys I want to thank you guys for joining us live if you're watching this after the fact thank you for joining us I hope that we've encouraged you to not only explore some of these apps on your own try them out test them out but also if you're a programmer develop work in touch with Jamie and I encourage you to join the project in I think there's probably always going to be feature requests yeah I don't think those go away and if you have a lot of features maybe if we get a bunch of them Jamie can have a really super cool Hacktoberfest this year just on features based on what your suggestions are so thank you guys so much for joining and thank you Kirby and Patty for winning the mugs congratulations and Jamie thank you for leading such a cool group this is such a cool group you guys are really rocked I reached out to you and you all instantly said yes and thank you for bringing these tools to us to make our wiki tree life fun and everybody have a good weekend bye


One of the most common questions I get asked is, you know, how do I start day trading? So what me and my mentor about it for our viewers on YouTube is create a free mentorship course that reveals our 12 secrets that every single brand new day trader should know before they get started. But please take note that there is limited seating every single week. So please reserve your spot at myinvestingclub.co. Link is in the description. What's up guys? It's Harry Haas here. And today I'm just going to be going over a weekly recap, you know, again some more lessons from this week. And yeah, that's about it. Some trades as well. So let's get right into it. So this is something that I made that can be super, super simple and applied. There's also a longing one as well. I'll start with the shorting one. And that is that, okay, it just kind of applies the MIC process in a way that is just super, super simple. But I think first and foremost, it's really this simplicity that's really key, right?  Is it the non-hot chick? If it's a non-hot chick, then, you know, automatically you want to be looking at that for a potential trade if it's popping and we can apply that to the process, right? And again, if it's hot chick and it's front side, you know, again, that's going to be no trade. And if it's backside, then it will be a trade, but 30% size over VWAP. Again, there are different pre-market rules that Alex uses and a lot of other people use as well. But again, it's just something that you can kind of learn to implement or maybe learn to use if you're having trouble with this kind of decision making or stock selection. Just another kind of like helpful thing that can help, right? And so again, we also have the longing one as well where, and this is a big one because in longing, I find it's a little bit, how can I say this? Longing is very hard because there is a lot of times where a stock will pop and then you're thinking in your head, is this a long, is this not a long? Whereas like almost 90% of the time if a stock is popping, it's probably going to be a short, right? If there's a stock popping maybe after 9.30 and we're on the backside, that's almost always going to be a short. And I know almost always Bao is going to have his orders out and they're just going to be filling into Bao's orders, right? And so something that can help you for longing is again, okay, are we the hot chick or not? Well, if we're the hot chick in front side, that's a trade. If we're the hot chick in backside, then that's not a trade. And if the ticker is not a hot chick and you see it, it may be pop a little bit, 10, 20, 30 cents and you're like, and you're, if you have to question whether it's the hot chick, it's not the hot chick. And if you, there's a lot of things I talk about in some of my other videos where I've seen a lot of guys, like especially the past week and the week before, you know, unfortunately, I haven't gotten any girl DMs about this issue. So, but, you know, I see a lot of guys, they message me and they say, I missed, I missed this trade. So, so I was feeling some foam. Oh, so I thought that I could get a quick self on this one, even though it wasn't a hot chick. And those are just really, really bad habits. And so I, I primarily kind of made it not really for the shorting cheat, even though I added one, just in case someone would kind of like to use this. But I really made it for the long cheat sheet because, you know, it's really keeping it very, very, very simple. If it's the hot chick in its front side, then that's a trade. If it's the hot chick in its backside, it's not a trade. And if it's a, you know, if it's, again, a non-hot chick stock, if we have ABC moving and that is the hot chick, and you see EFG pop, 10, 20 cents. That doesn't mean you can just long EFG. That's not the hot chick. Chances are the top is already set on that one. Chances are when that pops 30 cents, the bag holders who bought it in pre-market who were stuck are, are, are then going to sell, causing the stock to go down, you know, and, and, and it's just stuff like that. It's going to be way heavier. It's going to be way harder to move. We have all this kind of excess supply already created from the pre-market. So again, it's just stuff like that, right? Where, but it is as a long trader, so easy. And I've been guilty of it, too, myself, where in the past two weeks, three weeks ago, you could get away with a little non-hot chick scope, right? You know, but, but now that's just not really working. Now the market is starting to kind of favor the short. So you can't really get away with that non-hot chick scope. It just doesn't work. Not that it's a good habit anyway, because it's really, really not. But when, when we have a market where everything that pops starts to move, then you can get away with that a little bit. Hey guys, my name is Toss Bradley. I'm one of the head mentors and moderators of my investing club. If you have any questions about getting started in trading, getting started in the MIC, MIC in general, text me at<PHONE_NUMBER>. This is not a robot. It is me directly on the other end of my business line. And we'll get you in the club. We also have special promotions going on that I can get to you depending on your trading needs. Hit me up. Back to the video. But once you see the seller's market and stuff not really moving and we start to get slower, then you can't do that at all. That's just impossible. For longs, there's really one stock that you should be longing. And that's usually the hot chick and usually stems from pre-market. And, and everyone's aware of that stock and maybe it hasn't broken down and maybe it is still grinding, maybe it is still going up higher. But if that's a non-hot chick in the top of set, you cannot long it. You cannot go long on that ticker. You cannot press the buy button on that ticker and you must restrict yourself. And as a long trader, if you can't do that, if you're having a problem doing that, only have the hot chick up on your screen. And if the hot chick tanks and that's done and and everyone in chat is not saying, oh, the money's flowing here or the money's flowing there, then you're done for the day and your process is cut off for the day because in this game, you know, especially and this is vice versa.  You're going to you're going to hear Alex say, OK, I'm going to short a pop after a tank or I'm going to short into this resistance, risking this, expecting a fail because the top is already set. And so again, that is is really, really no different. You know, again, like Alex isn't going to say I'm going to short the front side, so I'm not going to say I'm going to go along the the backside, right? Or I'm going to go along and on hot chick stock. It just it just doesn't work like that. That's just not the process. So again, I'm seeing a lot of people who will miss the hot chick or they're too afraid of it. That's another problem. People are too afraid to like, oh, man, what if it dumps? What if it dumps? Well, you're better off longing that hot chick stock than this non-hot chick one. You have better odds with that one, you know? And so again, don't let the phone will get the best of you. Don't let any of the other emotions get the best of you. If you miss something, you miss it. Call it a day. Walk away. Do yourself a favor. And I mean, that's just that again. This is kind of like the deviation from VWAP. This is another one of the diagrams that I've kind of just been I've just been kind of making them because in university, when you're like an econ or finance, you have to kind of do like a lot of diagrams. And so it was so funny because I was thinking about the deviation from VWAP. I can just make a diagram out of that. And then when I saw this one, I'm like, oh, I could do this. This is almost like a little like probability thing that I used to do when I want a long time ago at university. So it's so funny how you can just kind of apply that stuff. I mean, obviously that's, you know, you don't need a $30,000, $40,000 a year education for to learn how to draw diagrams. But I'm saying I did get something out of it. So again, the deviation from VWAP. This is something that I've talked about in a prior video. I'm not really going to go into it, but you see shorts very stuck, you see longs very stuck. And I just wanted to mention that when the word vary is involved, that is where we get the most emotional decisions, right? You know, we creep over, view up a little bit. We may have some short stuck. We may, we may not, we may not have them willing to cover. But by the time we're into shorts very stuck, we're going to get those emotional covers, we're going to have everyone exiting, we're going to be. And so you almost want to go long in this short stuck scenario and then sell into the shorts very stuck. And you almost want to go short into this long stock and then cover into the again, this is I'm not saying I'm not saying this is going to work every time. But you have you have this kind of like ink length of like, OK, we're we're now overview up, we're now kind of pass that barrier. I can, you know, maybe start into a long position. And I'm going to sell when they're very stuck because when there's no shorts left, our natural sellers are completely gone, right? And or sorry, our natural bidders are completely gone.  So above here, this is going to be where our natural bidders are. This is where our natural sellers are. And so you almost want to take a little bit of a long rate here. We're overview app. Now we have those natural bidders bidding us up after they're out, after they've all covered out at the highs, then we can start to go down and start to form that backside move, right? And so again, when longs are stuck, this is when they're starting to panic. They're really panicking. They're at Max Payne. Oh, we have none left. Now all we have left is shorts. Now maybe we're going to bid back up to view app. So it's just simple stuff like that that you can really kind of use a chart like this to really kind of inform you on who is stuck, why they're stuck again at the top is really, really set. You don't want to go long down here. It's better to go long when you know the shorts are stuck. Start playing against them a little bit. Once they all cover out, you know, you can sell into their covers, right? And then once you sell into their covers and there's no shorts left, then we get that that backside return, right? Thank you so much for watching our video. 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One of the topics that we've been talking about over the last several months and years here at Wikibon is the channel. There has been a huge channel land grab over the last couple of years and it's intensified I would say in the last 12 to 18 months. You've got the large companies in the computer industry realizing that the channel is becoming increasingly important and have really gone hard after that channel. We've seen companies completely transform their attitude to the channel and do a much, much better job servicing that important role. At the same time you have this new type of channel, the cloud service provider that's coming in and a lot of channel partners that we talk to at Wikibon are freaking out about the transformation and disruption that's causing to their business. Now much of the focus on the channel is on product. Of course large IT manufacturers they want to move hardware and software but what's lost oftentimes in the discussion is services. So the question is how do established IT industry players provide services and what role does the channel play? How do they complement? How do they compete with? How do they co-operate with the channel? Here with us today is Daniel Kotsie, who's with EMC. He's the vice president of the global services partners. He's the global lead for EMC based actually overseas. It's kind of a unique role and a new role for EMC so we're going to talk about these trends and some other activities going on at the company. Daniel, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks a lot and thanks for having us today with you. Yeah, pleasure seeing you and let's start with your role. So we were talking off camera, you said this is a new role for you and for EMC. So what is that role and what are your objectives? Okay, so first of all let me give you a little bit of background and where I'm coming from. Prior to taking that role one year ago, I used to run the professional services organization for EMC in Europe, Middle East and Africa. And one of the things that we realized in this part of the world is that the partner community is becoming a prevalent way of doing business as well. So when you have to cover so many countries, you have to work with a partner. So it's becoming more natural things to do. And I took that job because as you said, right, so we EMC being a technology company, we are really focusing on promoting and pushing our technology to the channel community. And the services was very often seen as being an afterthought, oh yes, we need to do services. Let's do something about it, right? And my belief is that no, we need to embed the services as a discussion from day one because it's no longer sufficient for a partner just to promote technology and to sell technology. But the customer wants, they want a solution which is well-fitted for their needs. And there is no solution without services. So then the question for us is how can we offer the best choice, make it easy for a partner community to not only pick up on the technology but also have the right portfolio of services that they can offer to the market. So that's basically my mission. I want to offer them a way to resell, a way to cooperate with us, and a way to become enabled, professional in delivering EMC services. So let's talk about where you draw that line. Your chairman and CEO, Joe Tucci, has often, very often said we're not going to compete with our channel partners, with our service provider partners. So he's made that clear statement. Other competitors have a more difficult time making that statement because a company like IBM essentially became a services company in the 90s and early 2000s. HP acquires EDS, Dell acquires Perot. At the same time, they have to partner as well. But how do you manage that? Granted, it's easier, but you still have a fairly important and sizable services business. So where do you draw the line? The first choice, working with a partner community, is to push them to become enabled to do the services. But if you are the services business manager in one of those partners, you will look at your services opportunity as well as a business and where can I make my profit. And you would like to have a choice. You would like to be able to say, yeah, it makes sense for me to be doing that services myself because that's really something which is helping me to differentiate from my competition. Or it's a better choice for me, basically, to go and resell a service of EMC and I can make some margin on that too. Or, oh yeah, here is a nice portfolio where we can assemble a new services with EMC and we can bring that value to the customer base, right? So I think moving from a pure, again, technical discussion to a business discussion is, I think, a good way to avoid the competition, knowing that we are still, we still prefer the partner to be enabled as a first choice. Now, if they don't want, then we can help them too. So your preference, make sure I understood that, your preference is that the partner delivers the services end to end with maybe you as a support mechanism. Eventually, if they don't have some capabilities or whatever, but the preferred choice is them to be enabled and them to be on the front end. We want them to keep their customer relationship, which is really their value at the end of the chain and services becoming basically an enabler into that discussion. When your partner delivers services, are those services partner branded? Are they EMC branded? Are they co-branded? How does that work? We do have a choice, right? So they can be partner branded. So the partner will go through the training and the certification and the online lab, the VLab and the guidance services that we have put together, which is one of the things that we are announcing today. And also the partner can call on us and basically say, can you come and work with us? And this would be a cooperative type of services. And in that mode, then we can do a co-branding. So it can be a partner branded services powered by EMC, for example. OK, so you don't care? And we are going to even go further in that discussion and even go into a model in the future where we would like to have an EMC branded services delivered by partner. OK, I mean, I said you don't care. You're agnostic to what the partner wants to do. Again, the main point here is that what choice is available for the partner in order for them to make it really profitable on their business. So we have some news. So you mentioned you have an announcement today. Talk about what you're announcing, and then we'll get into it. Right. So from a services point of view, we are announcing a simplification of our Velocity Services Program, where in the past we used to have different acronyms and names for defining what we were doing into implementation and support type of services. We have simplified all that. Now we are talking about Velocity Implementation Services, Velocity Remote Support Services, and a Velocity On-Site Support Services. That's a free main family, if you wish, of offer that a partner can go and get certified on and work with us. OK, so in terms of the simplification, what was the impetus for that? That was feedback from partners, from customers. Talk about that a little bit. Absolutely. So we have also set up a mechanism now to get more formal feedback from the partner community. And we have two ways to get that feedback. One, we have established what we are calling a services partner advisory board, where we have selected a number of our top partners, key partners across the world. And we are organizing events where we are showing to them what we have in our plan, what we have in our mind, and we are asking them for their feedback of what's working, what's not working, what do we need to improve. Based on that, we are very loud and clear that we are too complex, too difficult, we need to simplify. So that was one of the message. Another feedback that we have also put in place is a partner satisfaction survey, partner TC, if you wish, like a customer TC kind of things. And we are also collecting feedback on the relationships that they are having with EMC. TC is a total customer experience. Right. So think about the TP, total partner experience, how do they engage with us, how do they work with us? Daniel, can you talk about how you ensure quality? As a customer, I like the choice, but I work with a vertically integrated services supplier and I know at least that I got one throat to choke. So how do you ensure the quality and how do you address that single point of contact issue? So we have also established a quality program and we are measuring the quality at the customer level. So even if the solution is fully delivered by the partner, we are still doing a transactional survey at the customer level and the customer is basically telling us, yep, it was a good experience, no, it was not a good experience and for whatever reason. So then we look at that and we follow up on that and we are basically inspecting and monitoring the partner on the level of quality they are doing. If they don't deliver the right level of quality, then we are going to them, talking to them, looking at why is that, what plan can we put in place, an action plan, we can put in place, is it a lack of knowledge, lack of certification, wrong usage of the tool. So all this normal issue, right? And we work with the partner. The customer experience, the quality at the customer is really a key point that we want to ensure in the services definition. So you're trying to make that seamless. In other words, the total customer experience, the TCE activity that you do, you're extending that through to the partner. Now I know, we've met Jim Bampos a number of times, he's been on theCUBE before and he's very impressive capabilities and it's obvious that EMC puts a lot of investment in there. Where are you at in terms of how much that TCE ethos, if you will, has gotten to the channel? Is there no difference between internal EMC and the channel? I doubt it at this point, but how far along are you there? Yeah, when we look at the metrics, the statistics we are getting from the transactional survey, the level of quality is basically the same, right? It is, okay. On a global basis. Now of course you have some variation. One of the things we are working on today is still to increase the visibility to make it more globally consistent across the world, right? But for the data we have today, we compare the numbers and the survey and the satisfaction is basically at the same level. I want to talk about the Amazon effect. So you've got a situation, and we've been tracking this for a while now at Wikibon and SiliconANGLE, you've got this Gorilla Amazon coming into the enterprise that's putting a lot of pressure on not only the enterprise CIOs, but also the other cloud service providers and of course channel partners, because the service providers, the cloud service providers are becoming a big channel, and that is quite disruptive potentially to the channel. Are channel partners that you are working with looking to you for guidance as to how to become CSPs, cloud service providers? Are they actually transforming to do that? Talk about that a little bit. Absolutely. So what we are seeing is a partner community is really kind of questioning what they should become in the future. And my vision is that it should not be up to us to categorize a partner in a given category, right? So are you a reseller? Are you a distributor? Are you a service provider? They can become all that in the future. And they start to look at a different business model and different business opportunity. And what we have established is we have a cloud program, cloud services program, which has three main legs. One, which is what we are calling the cloud builder, which is helping the reseller to provide to their end customer private cloud solution, right, on the customer premises. There is a second program, which is a cloud service provider, the service provider program, which is designed for the reseller to look at the opportunity of them becoming a service provider in addition to their reselling model. And we can help them. We have defined reference architecture for storage as a service, backup as a service. We can help them with the services definition and the operation and signalized. And thirdly, we also recognize the fact that a reseller, the value of a reseller is very often also into their commercial and customer relationship. And they might not be willing to become a service provider, but they might be interested to resell a service coming from a service provider. So we are establishing a cloud reseller type of model as well in our ecosystem. So let me make sure I understand. So you have a velocity service provider program. So your partners could resell cloud services from those velocity service providers. Is that right? And take a look off the cone. That is great. I wonder if you could switch gears and talk about the portfolio. So you've got the typical portfolio of services from consulting and presumably some design and implementation and support services and training and education. How does that map to the channel? Is it sort of one-to-one? Is it different in the direct customer base than it is to the channel? I wonder if you could. No, we are trying to make it exactly the same. And we started initially the journey with a partner community, mainly talking about implementation services and support services. And this is why we are offering them the opportunity to become a velocity implement partner or velocity remote support. First level of call, right?  You call me. Partner is picking up the phone, making the first level of diagnosis, and then passing it to an engineering team. That could be EMC, right? Or if they can also go a little bit further and have also a non-site support capability where they would do the break fix. And the level three, which is really the engineering part of it, of course, that's EMC responsibility. So we have that today. We are also expanding that with a family of services, sorry, that we are calling the cooperative services where because we are the vendor, right? We are very close to the technology. And when you look at service like performance assessment or a configuration check, when you look at that service, there are two parts of it. One part which is close to the customer and one part which is close to the product. We EMC in these cooperative services, we keep the part which is close to the product and we deliver that to the partner who then bring it to the customer. So they keep their relationship with the customer and we provide the added value. So that's one thing we are doing. We are also looking at other opportunity in remote management, remote monitoring services that we have in our catalog that we would like to offer to the partner as well. So my goal is really to get to a point where the portfolio of services supporting the EMC mission of cloud, big data and trust will be exactly the same on the partner landscape and internally as well. I wonder, I mean, because you're based in Europe, I want to ask you because you're, I think in a position to answer this is, can you talk about, and you also have a global lead role, can you talk about the differences in regions? Over the last 10 or 20 years, have things changed regionally? Are there still stark differences and what are those differences? What I see is that this is becoming more and more global. Yeah, and the type of questions or the type of business opportunities that we are seeing does not really vary that much from one country to another one. At least when you talk about, let's call it the more developed country, right? When you are really remote into a developing country, then it's eventually a slightly different discussion, but for all the mature country, it's the same demand, the same concern as well. And it's for the customer, having a choice as well now to either buy a technology or to go for a service provider type of model at the same whatever you are in US or France or Germany or Japan, right? So that's the same issue. Now one of the other things you've obviously seen evolve over the last couple of decades is the whole outsourcing business. You remember the days when some people would just outsource their entire IT to somebody and say, here, well just, you run it. There were some high profile situations maybe 10, 15 years ago, and that seems to have changed. And of course it's being replaced by this, everything is a service type of thing. You also have this notion of hyperscale coming in. And what I mean by that is, if you think about the way Facebook is designing data centers. Now Facebook today is an outlier, but potentially it's a harbinger of the way the future is going to be. Is commodity infrastructure, software services laid on top. Absolutely, yeah. Something breaks, you throw it away. How do you see that affecting your business and the channel business going forward? Do you see the Facebooks of the world, that type of approach, and the enterprise IT is ever coming together, or are they on sort of separate tracks in your view? I think they will stay probably on a separate track for a while. But if I would be a CIO myself, I would look at any opportunity that I have to provide the right services to my end user customer, if you wish. So if I can bring to them the right application using an Amazon type of service or whatever, I should do it. Now if it is really a core application and I have to keep it internally, that's what I have to do. But can I then use an infrastructure platform and I build everything myself, or am I better off using a converged infrastructure, or am I better off basically going for also an infrastructure as a service? It's a choice now, right? So why not having all that in your catalog and making the right option? So that somewhat changes the role of the IT organization. Absolutely, yeah. Doesn't it, from one of implementer to potentially one of advisor, people call it Cloud Brokers, and how does EMC or does EMC help its partners and its customers make that transformation and actually decide what to put where? I think again, it's a, and we're not gonna talk about technology today, right? So but I think we have great technology which is really helping that journey, especially on the virtualization and all these kind of things. We can geek out if you want. No, I probably won't be the right person for that anyway. But also we, again, by recognizing the fact that we are not dictating any more and we have to offer a choice, I think that's the right attitude. Excellent. All right, Daniel, well, listen, thanks very much for coming on theCUBE. Thanks, Dave. I really appreciate the discussion. All right, everybody, this is Dave Vellante. We're here at Wikibon headquarters. Thanks for watching. Keep it right there. We'll see you next time.